Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

[Kalamos]

I used to believe it. That those long, white, persistent clouds behind airplanes were chemicals being sprayed for nefarious purposes. It's like a staple belief most people acquire after reading/researching about it in the alternative community.

Well, I just don't believe it anymore after reading/researching from the skeptic perspective.

Im not one for debate, and I just want know if I'm alone on this one on this forum. I don't think anyone could change my mind about this, but I am willing to listen to your best evidence should anyone feel like posting any.

So, does anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy? Did you used to believe it? What made you change your mind?

I honestly don't think I'll get many if any respondents who doubt the CT Conspiracy.

I do welcome any and all comments or debate on the subject here. I might try to defend the belief, or I'd say, fact that most of what people believe are chemtrails, are simply persistent contrails. But like I said, I'm not great at debating. Maybe I'll get some support here (but I seriously doubt it).

Thanks
Kalamos

P.S. There are a number of websites listed below that critique or debunk the chemtrail conspiracy theories. See for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/

https://www.metabunk.org/forums/contrails-and-chemtrails.9/

http://contrailscience.com/

[Soda]

Hi! I have started to somewhat doubt that it is, at the very least, nefarious. Whatever it is, it probably has some unintended negative side effects on life on the planet. I live fairly close to a major airport as well as a military base and my observation is that commercial airplanes do not have that long con/chem trail behind. Also, commercial airplanes do not fly in circles or fly straight up like a rocket.

[Mypos]

For me its mainly a feeling/intuiton that something isnt right in the sky. When i look up at the sky sometimes and i see the whole sky riddled with those trails (trails who spread out really wide and stay really long) and i live in an area withouth much air traffic it seems to me something is wrong. It seems to be put there for a reason. And then you have of course the statement from people who researched this about much more toxic substances found in the soil and insiders who speak about it.

[Hervé]

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See these threads and posts:
Why In The World Are They Spraying? A geoengineering explanation for chemtrails (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57696-Why-In-The-World-Are-They-Spraying-A-geoengineering-explanation-for-chemtrails&p=658509&viewfull=1#post658509)

Dust Particles Influence On The Weather AND Earth's Climate (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate)

Chemtrails don't exist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20503-Chemtrails-don-t-exist)
For actual aerosol spraying, there is a prevailing logic that points to not waste the chemical investment onto the neighbors' fields... hence the low-flying crop dusting... same goes with nations... no one would want their investments (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84242-Ebola-vaccine-that-can-be-inhaled-&p=985473&viewfull=1#post985473) drifting over to neighboring or allied nations from wrong wind estimations... right?



https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.07/article/5d3fd017dda4c8046a8b45d7.jpg
© Global Look / Florian Kopp



So, although persistent contrails are a wrong target, they did allow people to take their nose off the ground and led to get people to wonder where all these barium- aluminum deposits are coming from...

So, again, yes, there is something wrong with our skies but it's not necessarily what is pointed at: persistent contrails are only a symptom of something else (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57696-Why-In-The-World-Are-They-Spraying-A-geoengineering-explanation-for-chemtrails&p=658517&viewfull=1#post658517) that's happening and which affects the weather (meteorology) and the global climate.

[Spaceball Ricochet]

Hi Kalamos..

I think the "chem-trails" debate preys on the concerns that to varying extents many of us share..environmental pollution..the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government.
It also shows our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears. I was reading in the Fortean Times that the alleged chemical spraying planes are flying too high to directly affect observers on the ground, as chem trails only form at the freezing temperatures found 5 to 10 miles up.
Witnesses claim to become ill soon after seeing trail-leaving planes in the sky, but any sprayed chemical agents or substances would drift several hundred miles before reaching the ground, most likely degrading or evaporating before reaching their victims.
"Angel hair" I find interesting too, which is rumoured to sometimes drift to earth after UFO sightings and thought to be linked to the crafts propulsion system, as well as being a physical manifestation of "chem-trails" .
I think that it's more likely to be the silk "parachutes"used to travel long distances by mass-migrating baby spiders..

People are more likely to be seduced by the fantastical rather than the prosaic and I am sure this only helps fuel the conspiracy theories that surround us..

[T Smith]

Hi Kalamos..


I think the "chem-trails" debate preys on the concerns that to varying extents many of us share..environmental pollution..the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government. It also shows our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears.



Indeed. It may show our continuing susceptibility to our fears... but I wouldn't call them "irrational". If anything, I would characterize them as "rational" fears.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Kalamos..


I think the "chem-trails" debate preys on the concerns that to varying extents many of us share..environmental pollution..the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government. It also shows our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears.



Indeed. It may show our continuing susceptibility to our fears... but I wouldn't call them "irrational". If anything, I would characterize them as "rational" fears.

yes T Smith

[AutumnW]

Barium, rubidium, strontium

The investigated elements are almost always detectable in appreciable amounts in straight and compound fertilizers originated from natural rocks and salt deposits;

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01053250

Why is there so much aluminum in the soil?

Aluminum is the most common mineral in the Earth's crust


Aluminium (Al) is major constituent of most soils but is not required for plant growth
Aluminium can only affect plants when it moves into a soluble or exchangeable form
Soluble or exchangeable aluminium levels will increase as a consequence of increasing acidity (pHCa below 4.5), usually as a result of land management practices
Plant species differ widely in their tolerance of exchangeable aluminium in soil

http://www.ccmaknowledgebase.vic.gov.au/brown_book/21_Aluminium.htm

[T Smith]

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For actual aerosol spraying, there is a prevailing logic that points to not waste the chemical investment onto the neighbors' fields... hence the low-flying crop dusting... same goes with nations... no one would want their investments drifting over to neighboring or allied nations from wrong wind estimations... right?



I have always assumed the directives of whoever or whatever is responsible for spraying (and not speaking to the other arguments debunking they exist) originate from well above the boundaries of nations, i.e., the chemtrail phenomenon is a planetary directive, either by the break-away civilization, the secret space program, or simply the burgeoning organization of the NWO.

I often scratch my head when people use the chemtrail phenomenon to cite that nothing has changed within the US Government given the election of Donald Trump; be that as it may, as far as I understand it, geo-engineering is well above the pay-grade of elected officials of national governments.

[Bill Ryan]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?

[T Smith]

I used to believe it. That those long, white, persistent clouds behind airplanes were chemicals being sprayed for nefarious purposes. It's like a staple belief most people acquire after reading/researching about it in the alternative community.

Well, I just don't believe it anymore after reading/researching from the skeptic perspective.

Im not one for debate, and I just want know if I'm alone on this one on this forum. I don't think anyone could change my mind about this, but I am willing to listen to your best evidence should anyone feel like posting any.

So, does anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy? Did you used to believe it? What made you change your mind?

I honestly don't think I'll get many if any respondents who doubt the CT Conspiracy.

I do welcome any and all comments or debate on the subject here. I might try to defend the belief, or I'd say, fact that most of what people believe are chemtrails, are simply persistent contrails. But like I said, I'm not great at debating. Maybe I'll get some support here (but I seriously doubt it).

Thanks
Kalamos

P.S. There are a number of websites listed below that critique or debunk the chemtrail conspiracy theories. See for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/

https://www.metabunk.org/forums/contrails-and-chemtrails.9/

http://contrailscience.com/

This is certainly interesting. Each book the debunker cites claims contrails usually dissipate, but can persist, given the right conditions. This is the main argument he uses to debunk chemtrails. In other words, we have had the phenomena of chemtrails since the beginning of the era of aircraft travel.

Some questions to ask (and assuming the books he cites are authentic and not reprinted with updated photos):

To what degree of atmospheric outcomes do said conditions manifest themselves where ice crystals persist and form a sheet of cirrostratus? 1% of the time? 10% of the time? 50% of the time? Enough to make the skies look like this? https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.metimeforthemind.com%2Fuploads%2F1%2F7%2F1%2F3%2F1713253%2F9315955. jpg%3F921&sp=7f41b5e8fcf9eaf34038c4f655b2b2cc&anticache=969062

My guess is elements heavier than water vapor will dissipate much slower than ice crystals and will tend to form cirrostratus clouds with much more persistence.

In short, I'm not entirely convinced these arguments debunk chemtrails; someone with a better background in atmospheric chemistry might have some better answers.

[AutumnW]

"Angel Hair"


Chaff are very narrow fibers, coated with aluminum and used since the 40s. They're used to confuse radar.

[Patient]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


It would be easier to figure some of this out if we knew if the spraying was being done for a good outcome, or a bad outcome. Although there are obvious bad things (metals harming people and plants) but I do not believe that we really know enough to say that the spraying is for the greater good or bad.

What if the purpose is to shield the earth from something coming form the sun or the galaxy that we do not yet know of or understand?

If we knew for a fact "who" was behind the spraying, then we could begin to ask the questions to lead us to know "why".

[AutumnW]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


Some of the checkerboards are simple artefacts of flight patterns. In very heavily travelled skies, where planes are flying in different directions it's not surprising that grid type patterns occur. And the skies have seen remarkably increased traffic. I'm more concerned about the pollution they generate.

"The aviation industry has seen dramatic growth over the past 20 years, with passenger numbers rising from 1.467 billion in 1998 to 3.979 billion in 2017."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2018/10/24/iata-raises-20-year-projections-to-8-2-billion-passengers-warns-against-protectionism/#3f3414f2150f

In North America, other than the Denver Colorado airport, no new major airports have been built, to my knowledge. Imagine the potential for pattern generation around these mega airport hubs.

[Hervé]

[...]
My guess is elements heavier than water vapor will dissipate much slower than ice crystals and will tend to form cirrostratus clouds with much more persistence.
[...]
No need for a guess, check this thread: Dust Particles Influence On The Weather AND Earth's Climate (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate)

While at it, to readers, why not check the other links provided in my post # 4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108203-Anyone-else-doubt-the-Chemtrail-Conspiracy&p=1308308&viewfull=1#post1308308)... Plenty of data there to correlate but, yes, one would need to at least read the posts...

As for the crisscross grid, planes use corridors usually N-S and E-W at regular flight interval and when the weather front is propitious, each flight leaves a persistent trail subparallel to the previous one due to high altitude winds and the drifting of the trail left by the previous flight. Never mind that planes are sometimes in a holding pattern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_(aeronautics)) waiting to be given the green light to land.

[Clarity]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?



Same here in rural New Zealand, I have never seen one.

Any aircraft that fly overhead seem to leave a regular contrail which dissipates quickly. I'm originally from the UK so have seem many chemtrails over there.

This isn't something I've spent any time on so I don't have any particular opinion, just wanted to point out that I don't observe them here in NZ.

[bobme]

THE spaying is a fact that is happening. I have shown others I know with my binos.

The Crafts that sprayed the most had red at the top of the tail fin. No windows, white in color.

It troubled them.
So my question is, What is the purpose of the spraying? The Spraying cannot be for no reason.

[Kalamos]

Thanks for all the replies. I think we have here enough info, links, and opinions to get anyone with an open mind thinking about Chemtrails and Contrails either way.

[Kalamos]

Check the satellite images on this link. That would be A LOT of Chemtrails!

Contrail Grids are not Chemtrail Grids (http://contrailscience.com/contrail-grids-are-not-chemtrail-grids/)

[enigma3]

Lithium is another ingredient.
1. The powers that be have never agreed to publicize the ingredients list, ala fracking. Any alarm sounding here?
2. We know some ingredients. Aerosolized aluminum, lithium, barium, rubidium and strontium. Anything there sound beneficial to the human body? To the soil?
3. The main stated purpose is to reflect sunlight back into space. Yet, as stated, this is not a world wide phenomenon. Rather localized. Hmmm.
4. The propaganda machine is vast and sophisticated. Very persuasive. Especially when you are hearing essentially the same story from so many different outlets.

I weigh in with George Carlin here when he said don't believe a gosh darned thing the government tells you. Then I remember a quote in NASA Dark Mission made by Pres. Reagan's science advisor who said - "Most government agencies lie some of the time. NASA lies all the time".That was in Reagan's time. Times have changed greatly since then. Ruthless rules at the top.

[christian]

I wonder if the checkerboard patterns might simply be a result of planes flying on "grids" and the wind moving the trails of each plane with time.

This is the "air grid" (https://thepointsguy.com/guides/how-airplanes-navigate/) for the US.

https://i1.wp.com/thepointsguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Screen-Shot-2018-08-19-at-2.47.35-PM.png?fit=1024%2C1024px&ssl=1

I also wonder if the heavy metals could simply be some sort of exhaust or abrasion from the jet engines. After all, these are heavy machines passing through the air all the time, I would expect they naturally leave behind fumes that are nastier than just water vapor. Planes pollute, just like cars on the ground.

Then again, clandestine operations (now disclosed) in which the state sprayed pathogens on the population without their knowledge and frantic talks among the establishment about geo-engineering certainly do raise suspicions that there might be more going on.

[Sunny-side-up]

All I can say for sure is:

I have one day of bright, sunny, clear skies.
Next day starts with trails.
Trails that grow thicker and thicker until they form a total ski blanket of grey.

It would have been a few, maybe week of clear sunny days, but no, never seems to happen?

now I know that planes circle and are stacked around my area (main flight path Heathrow airport)
I can see up to 25 at times.
BUT there are planes that fly over and past then appear again and again, N-S and W-E and their trails persist (A Grid showing)

MY OBSERVATION, POINT being is:

The circling planes do not leave and or form one big chem circle, they virtually never leave trails?

Chemtrails in my view do exist.

[AriG]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


It would be easier to figure some of this out if we knew if the spraying was being done for a good outcome, or a bad outcome. Although there are obvious bad things (metals harming people and plants) but I do not believe that we really know enough to say that the spraying is for the greater good or bad.

What if the purpose is to shield the earth from something coming form the sun or the galaxy that we do not yet know of or understand?

If we knew for a fact "who" was behind the spraying, then we could begin to ask the questions to lead us to know "why".

This might be one explanation:
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/unesco-world-heritage-sites-in-ecuador.html

https://everything-everywhere.com/unesco-world-heritage-sites-new-zealand/

Edit to add:

And this is what UNESCO is all about. Bone chilling:

https://en.unesco.org/news/100th-anniversary-international-union-geodesy-and-geophysics-celebrating-international

[Hervé]

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One thing to keep in mind when looking at these trails, for people living below regular flights path, is that one day the regularly schedule flight will leave a short, rapidly dissipating contrail and, the next day, a persistent contrail... from, most probably, the same plane on a regular schedule line.

So, what changed? Most probably the "weather" with the appearance of a traveling warm/cold front boundary. OR, the dropping down of a dust particle layer down to the regular flights levels. Because the change in contrail persistence can most probably not come from a change in the fuel grade used for the plane nor a re-arrangement of the plane's innards to accommodate for aerosols tanks/containers.

That dust particles layer could originate from volcanoes, meteoritic and cometary burnouts or... military... 'em being the only ones to fly high enough to remain "invisible" and spray whatever their payload is... chemicals, GMOs, vaccines, viruses, etc... then blame it on mosquitoes, ticks, fleas, etc...

Now, the idea of "Dimming the Sun" wouldn't be acceptable without the acceptance of the "Global Warming" swindle... so there are a lot of "investments" hinging around that Al Gore's "Hockey Shtick!"


Related:


Who Owns the US Congress, Really? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106374-Who-Owns-the-US-Congress-Really)



Stratospheric aerosol injection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection)



Australia Determined To Vaccinate By Release Of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84242-Ebola-vaccine-that-can-be-inhaled-&p=985473&viewfull=1#post985473)

[Seabreeze]

Sorry, but it is not a conspiracy, even if you wish it would be just one...like most people do.

Please do your own research and you will find out soon....it is fact. When I first did hear about it, I did not want to believe it also. And I wanted to proof...it is only a conspiracy.

But very quickly I found out - it is really happening. They are spraying around the globe..mainly....Barium, Strontium, Aluminium....among other stuffs. Geoengineering is going on...you can read up on this, there is tons of material in the net. But it seems to me like the spraying is not so massiv going on anymore than some years ago. Maybe there is enough stuffs (aluminium) in the air by now.

I dont really understand how people forget so quickly how our skies use to look like while there was only normal airline traffic going on. There been no trails hunging in the air for hours..what so ever. Cant you remember this? I always liked it as a child already to watch the sky and I see the diffrent clear.

Normal contrails dissapear in seconds... because it is mainly watersteam.... Chemtrails stay in the air for hours...

Anyways,...my advice...please be careful doing your research, because it is a pretty heavy shock to realize ....this is reality. There is geoengineering going on years already.... It is more easy for most people to just push it into the category : Conspiracy...and then ignore it, than dealing with the facts. Sorry to tell you. I did not want to believe it myself first also. But I see more clear now...which is sometimes very hard like with this subject.

And it has nothing to do with protecting earth or climate...which is just another lie being used...to back up this crime done to nature and all of us, out of ??? or weather control reasons??To use the Weather as a weapon.....is the dream of who?

Or maybe it could have something to do with Project Blue Beam....which is mainly getting pushed into the conspiracy field also...?...They wont tell us......

Here are some short video examples : people who have some background knowledge

https://www.youtube.com/user/aircraporg/videos

You also can watch, What in the world are the spraying? For more details and information about this subject.....

and better dont try others (friends, family) to inform about this, because they might not ready for it and you could lose them as friends.......:(

[Hervé]

[...]
The circling planes do not leave and or form one big chem circle, they virtually never leave trails?
[...]What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.

[Seabreeze]

Maybe, if people have doubts about the spraying of certain chemicals for years already going on.......

Have your blood checked.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7s7Dy1UDMY

[Seabreeze]

[QUOTE=Hervé;1308488]...

One thing to keep in mind when looking at these trails, for people living below regular flights path, is that one day the regularly schedule flight will leave a short, rapidly dissipating contrail and, the next day, a persistent contrail... from, most probably, the same plane on a regular schedule line.

So, what changed? Most probably the "weather" with the appearance of a traveling warm/cold front boundary. ........



Or the fuel of the airplane tank........ :(

[Nick Matkin]

What a breath of fresh air this thread (mostly) is.

As others have said, the chemtrail thing feeds into all sorts of conspiracy narratives. Mixes real weather mod experiments with photos 'proving' the tanks are in aircraft when they are only (and originally described as) ballast tanks. The video of a pilot who it's suggested believes 'chemtrails are a necessary evil', but who doesn't seem to quite have understood the question posed to him. But hey, don't let the facts spoil a good story.

All sorts of contaminants are found in all sorts of unlikely places. Chem-trailing not required. How about blown fertiliser residue? Industrial pollution, acid rain releasing aluminium from the soil (and Monsanto developing aluminium-tolerant crops for this reason). Some mornings I should surely be brushing it off my car after a day of 'heavy chemtrailing'...

The following have never been explained AFAIK:

Who knows anyone who knows anyone in making millions of litres of this stuff?
How come it has NEVER crashed during transportation?
If it gets into the fuel, how? Aviation fuel is checked for quality all along production and delivery.
If it is in the fuel, how come if doesn't mess up the engines? If they've been specially designed for this, someone (lots of engineers actually) must know this. Yet no one has noticed.
If it's in special tanks under commercial aircraft, who is paying for the extra wight? Pilots need to know about that. All those people operating in aircraft Load Control would need to know. You can't just sling extra tanks under commercial aircraft without a lot of consequences and people knowing.
If they are dedicated aircraft there must be thousands of them. Where are they all taking off and landing from? Who is piloting and maintaining the aircraft and where are they doing it? Again, anyone know anyone involved in this?
The raw materials are being bought from somewhere. Such massive sales of materials don't just disappear into thin air. And a constant and massive supply of specific substances has to be sourced - yet seemingly no one is involved, nothing is made or transported.
Why isn't spraying done over the sea or dessert where no one can see it?
Why is it more prevalent now? More flights of course and I suspect different engine design prone to vapour making. (Any aviation experts able to confirm that?)

The conspiracy doesn't make sense when looked at analytically and logically, but I'm quite open to evidence to counter my points. So in my belief it's just vapour trails. The shape, persistence, spread, on-off appearance dependent on atmospheric moisture content, temperature, wind direction, etc. Don't just accept it from me - ask an amateur pilot or meteorologist. (Not the professional ones obviously - they've all be 'got at'!)

Anyone wondering why so many trails over the UK - well these two short videos will explain it. Rather a good visualisation of all types of air traffic over the country. Read the text on the first one. Enjoy...

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[Phoenix1304]

No, I don't doubt it at all. I too remember what the skies used to be like and am astonished that so many people buy the 'contrail' explanation and think nothing of the blanketing out of our blue skies and the outrageous infringement of our liberty.

To contaminate the air we have to breathe is a horrendous crime, but it's been going on endlessly since the industrial revolution, with ne'er a responsible thought to the consequences for the health and well-being of all. I've always thought it revealed what utter morons the great majority of humans are. Nuclear waste, toxic dumping. The louts who litter the local park with their beer cans, plastic bottles and take away bags, foul their own nest and our waters and don't even see the sky or wonder at the beauty of this planet. Oblivious. The louts in the boardrooms are no better. Power and ignorance - deadly combination.

Beyond nuclear is the power to control weather, what aggressive hegemony like USA, UK, would ignore that technology? Of course billions have been invested in the research for decades and the weather wars are well under way if you ask me. That would make the 'mad (moron) scientists' the best explanation for chemtrails.

I doubt your theory Herve, why would it suddenly appear ten or fifteen years ago? I don't believe they are regular flights, (those leave contrails) although they may dump at times too, these are organised aerial displays creating designed grids, that spread out over hours until they completely obliterate the sky. It is deliberate and covert. Even if it is to protect us from the sun it's without thought to the consequences of aluminium etc. on human health and the food chain. Typical. People have been trying to get answers for years and we still don't have much to go on, but it seems very clear to me that something nefarious is underway and the only conspiracy is the one to keep it quiet.

Sorry I haven't read all this thread, just the title and posts on this page, knee jerk response until I get time to peruse it properly...gotta go.

[Hervé]

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... maybe, in the old days... cruising altitudes/levels were a lot lower than they are now... and didn't reach flight levels (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Cloud_types_en.svg/1280px-Cloud_types_en.svg.png) where cirrostratus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrostratus_cloud) are stable?

[Nick Matkin]

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... maybe, in the old days... cruising altitudes/levels were a lot lower than they are now... and didn't reach flight levels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud) where cirrostratus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrostratus_cloud) are stable?

Quite possibly. But that's why we need someone in the business to tell us. Surely a forum as active as this has some qualified pilots - either professional or amateur - to provide informed opinion.

If you bring the subject up on amateur metrology forums you just get laughed at. Some say that's because they've all been programmed to believe what they're told, others might say it's because they understand jet engines and atmospheric physics.

Whereas I suggest most (all?) chemtrailists understand neither, or are maybe at best University of Youtube graduates...

[Seabreeze]

I did even hear a interview one stewardess gave many years ago. She said this what is to see in our skies is not normal and has nothing to do with the regular flights.

But I also did hear by now they even use regular flights sometimes for the spraying by just filling up the other (chemtrail) fuel. Who can proof this? The pilots?

Most people in Europe are not good informed about this subject at all.

Here is more informations for those who want to know some facts : https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

It does not make sense to ignore it ....it wont change what is going on.........

It does not make sense also to only dig for answers (which are mainly lies) or reasons why Chemtrails cant exist...if the same person does not read up on the facts or data of chemtrails, which is easy to find if you look for it........

But this is how people often react, if they dont want to believe something. They are searching mainly on the wrong side.......

it is important to look at both sides befor you make up your mind and to see clear what is really going on.........

They even created books for children with chemtrail pictures inside and say this is normal contrail clouds and so on..brain washing the youngsters in school already into the way they want them to......

..it is really terrible. Sorry I have to say so.

They even created books for children with chemtrail pictures inside and say this is normal contrail clouds and so on..brain washing the youngsters in school already into the way they want them to......

..it is really terrible. Sorry I have to say so.

I think I did my mission in this subject already....lost most of my friends on the way then, because like most people, they only believe whatever is in the main media spread...... I feel sorry for them...living in the brain wash box, is not my thing...

I am out of here.

Take good care yourself.




“The world is a dangerous place to live, not only because of the people who are evil, ....

because of those people who don't do anything about it.”

― Albert Einstein

[Hervé]

[...]
... Surely a forum as active as this has some qualified pilots - either professional or amateur - to provide informed opinion.
[...]The ones we had quit when faced with a wall of incomprehension...

See this thread: Chemtrails don't exist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20503-Chemtrails-don-t-exist)

[Nick Matkin]

[...]
... Surely a forum as active as this has some qualified pilots - either professional or amateur - to provide informed opinion.
[...]The ones we had quit when faced with a wall of incomprehension...

See this thread: Chemtrails don't exist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20503-Chemtrails-don-t-exist)

That's a very long thread Harve.

Could you summarise if possible?

Did the pilots quit the forum because of the incomprehension of other members who didn't want to believe pilots when they said it was all BS, or by the members' incomprehension of what the pilots said when they could see with their own eyes was being 'explained away' by brain-washed pilots (who actually knew what they were talking about)? Or have I misunderstood the whole lot?

[Hervé]

Yes, it's a long thread which, like most interesting thread needs to be read... no tweeter summary to be gobbled up with a "I am telling you: that's what it is!"

But your summary of it is as good as mine :) Fred wasn't "believed" in spite of all the data he provided from experience. Demonstrating that some crowds have vested interests in their beliefs and Fred couldn't be anything else than a shill, etc....

[Spaceball Ricochet]

Hi Kalamos..


I think the "chem-trails" debate preys on the concerns that to varying extents many of us share..environmental pollution..the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government. It also shows our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears.



Indeed. It may show our continuing susceptibility to our fears... but I wouldn't call them "irrational". If anything, I would characterize them as "rational" fears.

You are right about that..they are "rational" fears but they are often "unfounded" was my meaning. For eg heavy metals occur naturally in the soil showing that our fears are unwarranted about this as there are often reasonable explanations for much of the stuff that we pontificate about...

I don't know if that explains my meaning but I might just leave it there as I'm starting to confuse myself!

[Matt P]

I am simply in awe with this thread. Alas, this is what it’s come to today. People trust their authorities more than the reality right in front of their own two eyes. I’ve watched the skies far too long to believe this is natural. I see trails some days, not on others, with the same flight patterns and weather. In cold and hot, some planes leaving them (in patterns obviously not flight paths) some not. Good lord, you can track flight patterns on an app on your friggin phone!!! I’ve read the patents. I’ve heard and read the scientists admit what they’re doing. It’s pretty common sense but, well, therein lies the problem. Not much of that going ‘round these days.

And they’re about to roll this out in the open now that they’ve been experimenting with the technology for DECADES.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-03/harvard-scientists-funded-bill-gates-begin-spraying-particles-sky-dim-sun

I’m a little concerned about a few folks around here, fighting strangely hard for the establishment fake reality narrative.

Matt

[Sue (Ayt)]

Sorry, but it is not a conspiracy, even if you wish it would be just one...like most people do.

I dont really understand how people forget so quickly how our skies use to look like while there was only normal airline traffic going on. There been no trails hunging in the air for hours..what so ever. Cant you remember this? I always liked it as a child already to watch the sky and I see the diffrent clear.
(
This could give us some clues right there.
I am fairly clear on the first time I actually witnessed these trails. It was shortly after 9/11. Never did I see them in my youth.
When did everyone else here first observe them? What changed at that time?

[Nick Matkin]

It seems there are too many "chemtrailists" who have no knowledge of atmospheric physics, or even of basic meteorology. All they rely on is memory of what they think they remember the skies were like.

Come on, if you believe they're real, have a go at debunking the nine points in post #29. Or are you demonstrating what Harve quoted in post #36 "..that some crowds have vested interests in their beliefs..."

Get some people who supply the raw materials, work in the factories making this stuff, transport it, smuggle it past aviation fuel quality tests or secretly operate a fleet of special aircraft that spray it. Do that and you have something we can work with. Otherwise it's just a story...

[Sue (Ayt)]

What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.

I have witnessed planes looking like a normal dot-in-the-sky plane, with no trail at all, when suddenly the thick huge jets appear like they were "turned on" instantly.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I had a bunch of links I have found that I saved in my records when I was checking into chemtrails in the past, that perhaps the scientific minds here might examine deeper and explain.
Many "seem" to be evidence of "something" to me, but I am just a layman. I rather have a talent, I think, at detective type at digging of research.

Hoping some of you might check these out. :o (not sure if they are all still active, but the first few I checked are there)

Albedo Enhancement by Stratospheric Sulfur Injections
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-006-9101-y?LI=true

http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/geolibrary/index/reference/?tag_1=Surface+Albedo+Modification

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/civil-and-environmental-engineering/1-018j-ecology-i-the-earth-system-fall-2009/projects/MIT1_018JF09_sw_paper3.pdf

https://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs/Climate%20change/Climate%20model%20results/Bala_and_Nag_CD2011.pdf

http://www.just-clouds.com/seeding_equipment_aircraft.asp

costs
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034019/article

california
http://www.westernsunsystems.comorwww.gosolarcalifornia.org/2007publications/CEC-500-2007-008/CEC-500-2007-008.PDF

Pierce J R, Weisenstein D K, Heckendorn P, Peter T and Keith D W 2010
Efficient formation of stratospheric aerosol for climate engineering by emission of condensable vapor from aircraft
Geophys. Res. Lett. 37 L18805 (https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/files/tkg/files/127.pierce.efficientformstratsaerosol.e.pdf)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL043975/abstract;jsessionid=3A89AEF049835E81CEFD3DD61C8F5445.f02t02

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_reflectivity_modification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)#Possible_side_effects

[Hervé]

What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.
I have witnessed planes looking like a normal dot-in-the-sky plane, with no trail at all, when suddenly the thick huge jets appear like they were "turned on" instantly.One needs to really understand something here: I do not dismiss the observations.

However, these observations do not prove anything! Zilch! Zero! They are not backed by anything. SSup did not back the observation by the flight levels of the planes being observed that could have been verified by some flight24 radar data for the time and day of the observations. So that the post is just a drive-by shouted opinion with no evidence.

Same with the sudden turning on/off of trails: no evidence backing it up... someone one knows who was on the plane and open the faucets? Or one knows the drone pilot who remotely opened the sprinklers? Or the actual evidence there was adjacent air masses with different temperatures and humidex that could have been verified on a local weather/meteorology station or satellite IR data, etc... without either, and it's another drive-by shouted opinion with no weight in the debate.

Same with that same argument - over and over- of fuel additives, etc.: can someone get a damn sample of these jet fuels, get it analyzed with results that can be trusted and put the matter to rest? Or else all the commercial flights are cutting costs and going for cheap fuels containing higher sulfur content (https://atlantablackstar.com/2016/09/15/diesel-fuel-illegal-to-sell-in-europe-okd-to-sell-in-africa/) than regulations allow?

[Kalamos]

What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.

I have witnessed planes looking like a normal dot-in-the-sky plane, with no trail at all, when suddenly the thick huge jets appear like they were "turned on" instantly.

This page might address what you're talking about:

Broken Contrails and Contrails with Gaps (http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/)

snip:

The amount of water in the exhaust is pretty constant, but the amount of moisture in the air is not. The humidity varies with altitude, and a layer of low humidity can be sandwiched between two layers of high humidity. As a plane climbs or descends through this layer, then the trail will only form in the areas of high humidity, and so look like it was “switched off” in the area of low humidity.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I know Herve...
I often ask myself just what does "real evidence" consist of?
Scientific institutions? Anecdotal? Media announcements? Politicians spouting info? Hearsay? Books? Seeing with one's own eyes?
Ha! ALL of these can be (and often are) illusions.

But I do find it FUN to zoom in sometimes to the created reality that I observe, and to jump into the fray of possible answers. Generally I prefer to view things as "non-doomy" as I tend to be an optimist.
I enjoy reading the shared opinions and interpretations, although I don't profess to "know" the truth in many subjects, along with this particular one.
That's the beauty of the minds here on Avalon, as I see it.
:sun:

[Kalamos]

Sorry, but it is not a conspiracy, even if you wish it would be just one...like most people do.

I dont really understand how people forget so quickly how our skies use to look like while there was only normal airline traffic going on. There been no trails hunging in the air for hours..what so ever. Cant you remember this? I always liked it as a child already to watch the sky and I see the diffrent clear.
(
This could give us some clues right there.
I am fairly clear on the first time I actually witnessed these trails. It was shortly after 9/11. Never did I see them in my youth.
When did everyone else here first observe them? What changed at that time?

I remember seeing contrails in my youth. Im 41 years old. In central Florida all my life.

Contrail photos through history (http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/)

Lots of old pictures with persistent contrails.

[Mypos]

Sorry, but it is not a conspiracy, even if you wish it would be just one...like most people do.

I dont really understand how people forget so quickly how our skies use to look like while there was only normal airline traffic going on. There been no trails hunging in the air for hours..what so ever. Cant you remember this? I always liked it as a child already to watch the sky and I see the diffrent clear.
(
This could give us some clues right there.
I am fairly clear on the first time I actually witnessed these trails. It was shortly after 9/11. Never did I see them in my youth.
When did everyone else here first observe them? What changed at that time?

I remember seeing contrails in my youth. Im 41 years old. In central Florida all my life.

Contrail photos through history (http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/)

Lots of old pictures with persistent contrails.


The huge difference with modern day is twofold. Today when you look at a random day the sky is riddled with con/chemtrails. And number two, the days there are con/chemtrails are way more often then it used to be.

[Sunny-side-up]

[...]
The circling planes do not leave and or form one big chem circle, they virtually never leave trails?
[...]What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.

True Hervé.

Next observation then:

2 airliners flying hi alt virtually side by side, one trailing the other clear ?
That can only be due to 2 things:
1) Different fuels.
2) One is equipped to Chem-Trail?

Either way, one thing is for sure, we are causing a great deal of pollution overhead.

[Nick Matkin]

[...] can someone get a damn sample of these jet fuels, get it analyzed with results that can be trusted and put the matter to rest? [...]

Exactly! This gets to the heart of the matter in my opinion. Literally millions of litres of this stuff is supposedly being manufactured and transported around the planet, yet - and correct me if I'm wrong - no one has managed to smuggle out a single drop for independent analysis. Seems it's as rare as Bigfoot droppings, yet apparently it's being sprayed all over us!

Airports are secure locations, but none of them have the security of Area 51. Neither are the chemtrail delivery trucks in an armoured convoy. So come on - someone get some and put the matter to bed!

Bahhh...

[The Moss Trooper]

[...]
The circling planes do not leave and or form one big chem circle, they virtually never leave trails?
[...]What's the flight level they are circling at compared to the flight level contrail start persisting? Because circling planes are in a holding pattern awaiting landing... not at a high, cruising altitude/level.

True Hervé.

Next observation then:

2 airliners flying hi alt virtually side by side, one trailing the other clear ?
That can only be due to 2 things:
1) Different fuels.
2) One is equipped to Chem-Trail?

Either way, one thing is for sure, we are causing a great deal of pollution overhead.


A 3rd option........... Different engines.

[Hervé]

[...]
Next observation then:

2 airliners flying hi alt virtually side by side, one trailing the other clear ?
[...]
If they are commercial airliners, they cannot be "side-by-side" but flying at different flight levels (altitude) to avoid air collision and therefore they may be flying in two different atmospheric layers (http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/) with different atmospheric properties (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108203-Anyone-else-doubt-the-Chemtrail-Conspiracy&p=1308558&viewfull=1#post1308558). So, that makes it another unusable, insufficiently documented and analyzed observation and accompanying drive-by shouted opinion.


In short, too many unknown variables in the proposition.

[sms]

Some of the pages from the book: Dangerous Imagination, Silent Assimilation by Cara St Louis and Harald Kautz-Vella:

http://galaksija.com/images/disa-1a.jpg

http://galaksija.com/images/disa-2a.jpg

http://galaksija.com/images/disa-3a.jpg

http://galaksija.com/images/disa-4a.jpg

..

Wondering if 5G would have anything to do with the activation of BaSrTiO3 nanocrystals in our bodies?

..

[Hervé]

[...]
Either way, one thing is for sure, we are causing a great deal of pollution overhead.
Another one which needs to be documented:


is it pollution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate)?
is it "we"?
is it jet engines running into propitious meteorology?
is it volcanic/cometary dust that jet engines are running into and disturbing an atmospheric layer in a state of unstable equilibrium?
is it a combination of the above?
other(s)

To wit:

... Or else all the commercial flights are cutting costs and going for cheap fuels containing higher sulfur content (https://atlantablackstar.com/2016/09/15/diesel-fuel-illegal-to-sell-in-europe-okd-to-sell-in-africa/) than regulations allow?This is where confirmation bias needs to be fought so as to maintain a discipline of not stopping one's digging at the first fool's gold nugget on one's way down to the bottom of the matter.

Then, again, why, given the same plane with the same engines on the same flight number and flight level in the same corridor, refueled with the same fuel truck as yesterday would only leave a short contrail yesterday and a persistent trail today, just before rainy days show up?

One thing for sure is that, that NASA satellite picture (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate) of maritime sulfur pollution didn't get wasted by the proponents of "Climate Change" who seized that opportunity to make propositions based on it to accelerate the coming new ice age (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate&p=1308481&viewfull=1#post1308481)... tankers and merchant ships are the biggest polluters on the planet.

There are a lot of fields to learn about and dig into in order to get a coherent picture of the phenomenon and increase the signal/noise ratio.

[ExomatrixTV]

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Climate GeoEngineering Chemtrails Documentary 'OVERCAST'
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Legislation to Ban Chemtrails gets Huge Public Support [Public Hearing in Long Island]
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Documents Reveal "Chemtrails" Originated at Department of Defense:
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[Nasu]

Not me. I feel something is not right. A small clip from a council meeting in Shasta County CA. Other sane seeming people who must be crazy or stupid... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY

[Sue (Ayt)]

[...] can someone get a damn sample of these jet fuels, get it analyzed with results that can be trusted and put the matter to rest? [...]

Exactly! This gets to the heart of the matter in my opinion. Literally millions of litres of this stuff is supposedly being manufactured and transported around the planet, yet - and correct me if I'm wrong - no one has managed to smuggle out a single drop for independent analysis. Seems it's as rare as Bigfoot droppings, yet apparently it's being sprayed all over us!

Airports are secure locations, but none of them have the security of Area 51. Neither are the chemtrail delivery trucks in an armoured convoy. So come on - someone get some and put the matter to bed!

Bahhh...
We woke up one morning to discover the top to our jeep wrangle (which we took off for the summer) covered with "something". On further inspection, this substance was also all over the roof of our cabin, and on the grass in the yard. The black jeep roof was what glaringly caught our eye. Always wondered if this stuff could have come from chemtrails? Or something else out of the sky?

Took several pics. Close inspection of the grass showed it had mostly seeped into the ground, but many dried spots were still on the grass. I scraped a sample and put it in a jar, but never did anything with it. It became a powdery white substance in the jar, and it hung around our place for a few years until we moved and I threw it out.
Here's one pic of many that I took:
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[Kalamos]

Not me. I feel something is not right. A small clip from a council meeting in Shasta County CA. Other sane seeming people who must be crazy or stupid... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY

That video was published almost 5 years ago. It's too bad there's no smoking gun proof of chemtrails. I'm still not a believer.

Edit to add:

A comment exchange on that video. I think the respondent, Yassassin, kinda hit the nail on the head.

Dolphin Dream
1 year ago
Does anyone know whether ANY action, or even reaction, has occurred by California officials?? (Or those in any other states?) It's now three years later & it's still happening, more than ever actually, and I haven't heard a word about any resistance or moves to ban it. Being California, it figures.

Yassassin
1 year ago
This was an inconsequential hearing arranged by and indulging the fantasies of Dane Wigington and his cohorts. Chemtrails are a baseless conspiracy theory perpetrated in the 1990s by Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM a sensationalist commercial radio station to generate higher ratings and thereby increase advertising revenue. Conspiracy is big business, and since then, following the advent of the internet it has burgeoned and become simply an obligatory part of the product line of manufactured lucrative conspiracy theory. Wigington amongst others have conflated this with geoengineering in a bid to gain credence and validity.

This is still happening as you say because aircraft burning a hydrocarbon fuel at altitude produce heated vapour which freezes and if the temperatures are sufficiently low and the environment is saturated in respect of ice, then a persistent contrail will form and even spread. No conspiracy, no spraying - simply contrails.

[Patient]

I am not totally surprised that this is being discussed. If you are old enough to recall a real blue sky, then you most likely also have the wisdom to see how the sky and clouds are different now.

When is a contrail a chemtrail? When you see it linger in the sky and spread outward and it looks like an oil slick in the sky.

If you have not seen that, then you have not been.lookkng enough. It turned my stomache when I saw it.

To ignore this is to turn your back on the earth itself.

[Kalamos]

I am not totally surprised that this is being discussed. If you are old enough to recall a real blue sky, then you most likely also have the wisdom to see how the sky and clouds are different now.

When is a contrail a chemtrail? When you see it linger in the sky and spread outward and it looks like an oil slick in the sky. [Patient I think you're thinking of cirrus clouds]

If you have not seen that, then you have not been.lookkng enough. It turned my stomache when I saw it.

To ignore this is to turn your back on the earth itself.

A tid bit taken from a blogger who wrote about the Chemtrail Conspiracy

Why I Write About (and Debunk) the Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory (http://thevane.gawker.com/why-i-write-about-and-debunk-the-chemtrail-conspiracy-1581896346)


More today than ever before!
THEORY: The sky has more contrails in it today than ever before!

FACT: That's true. As more airlines take flight and more flights take off, there will be more opportunities for contrails to form. There are definitely more flights today than there were in, say, 1972, so the opportunity for aircraft to produce contrails is much higher now than it was a few decades ago.

They're NEW!
THEORY: Contrails didn't exist when I was a kid. This is a new phenomenon!

FACT: Unless you're 100 years old, you were just an unobservant little kid. Contrails were there, just not as many as there are now. It's a simple case of not noticing something until you're suddenly aware of it. Case in point: you didn't think about how much you blink until I wrote this sentence. Now try not to think about it.

They fill the sky!
THEORY: Contrails can take a blue sky and fill it with a thin deck of upper-level cirrus by the evening.

FACT: That can be true in certain circumstances, too. One of the big arguments of chemtrail theorists is that there never used to be "persistent" contrails like there are today. On days with high upper-level humidity, condensation trails can stick around for quite a while, and depending on the winds, they can spread out into a deck of cirrus. That's always been the case. It's nothing new.

[Nick Matkin]

Yassassin
1 year ago
This was an inconsequential hearing arranged by and indulging the fantasies of Dane Wigington and his cohorts. Chemtrails are a baseless conspiracy theory perpetrated in the 1990s by Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM a sensationalist commercial radio station to generate higher ratings and thereby increase advertising revenue. Conspiracy is big business, and since then, following the advent of the internet it has burgeoned and become simply an obligatory part of the product line of manufactured lucrative conspiracy theory. Wigington amongst others have conflated this with geoengineering in a bid to gain credence and validity.

This is still happening as you say because aircraft burning a hydrocarbon fuel at altitude produce heated vapour which freezes and if the temperatures are sufficiently low and the environment is saturated in respect of ice, then a persistent contrail will form and even spread. No conspiracy, no spraying - simply contrails.

Yup. Another nail hit squarely on the head.

Conspiracy is big business. Facilitated by the internet, combined with a general suspicion of authority, mixed with a massive amount of the population unable to carry out even basic critical thinking, along with not being able to distinguish between opinion and evidence leads to this nonsense. All harmless enough when these folks invent stories about chemtrails, Apollo faking, flat earth, Finland not existing (yes, really - so I was hallucinating when I went there on a business trip!).

Unfortunately things become seriously unravelled when it comes to health issues and politics, leading to outbreaks of measles and our UK Brexit disaster.

No doubt conspiracy spreading will continue. Attempts to counter it will be met with howls about free speech, and "we're getting to the truth and they're trying to silence us!" This isn't going to end well...

[Trisher]

It is clear that what matters the most over our belief or disbelief in chemtrails (as in all things) is our own personal outcome because of that belief. Not whether I agree or disagree with this or that or the other theory. Not if I stand unswayed by others and their persuasive arguments. If I cannot trust what I see and feel and my own intuition then I am subject to my mind and its beliefs and disbeliefs and I will be looking all over the internet for answers. I may look up at the sky sometimes. Just because it is my mind I may be swayed this way and that way and my belief may change like the wind changing direction.

If I trust in myself and am open to my gut feelings and sensitivities I will be looking for the truth in a different way. Things will resonate with me if they are true. I will possibly get a chill running through me when the truth is revealed. I will not be confused by an argument against what I know intuitively. I may remember if I am old enough what a blue sky used to look like. If not I may look at the rippling and the haarp effect where clouds should be. If I had one I would shine a small laser up at the sky at night and watch the huge number of particulates falling and close my mouth so I breathe less in. I may get a hand lens with 30x and 60x magnification and look at the plants in my garden. I may not want to eat the plants after noticing the odd fibres and nano dots and obvious pieces of metallic substance all over them. I would take a sample of rain and look closely at it and no longer want to water my plants with fresh rain water. I would likely take a handful of snow and no longer wonder where the green and red fibres come from and not allow my children to play in it. My shopping would transform as the reality that all things grown outside are subject to what falls from the sky. That includes water.

Closer and more personal I may be examining the bath water residue and in looking see the same coming from my skin and the skin of my children. I would be looking for ways to reduce the heavy metal load on myself and my family and also find ways to resolve the number of fibres and quantom dots in them. I would also look at the wider implications for the environment and start to grow things undercover and look for ways to mitigate the pollution of the soil. My concern for nature would grow and be included in the solution finding.

My internet investigations would be looking for and applying solutions. Tony Pantelleresco, byebye blue sky, geoengineering watch and many more.

Or I could endlessly still be trying to prove that chemtrails are not real.

Trisher

[Kalamos]

We might start to see even more chemtrails, I mean persistent contrails, in the future, as more and more planes will be flying higher and higher. There were several articles published lately about how contrails contribute to warming the earth.


snip: (bold italics and underlining mine)

Despite conspiracy theories about so-called chemtrails (https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42195511), there’s no evidence that the white plumes seen trailing from high-flying airplanes are part of a secret government program to spray toxic chemicals into the atmosphere for mass sterilization or mind control.

But contrails do pose a threat. Scientists say they contribute to climate change by trapping heat that radiates upward from Earth’s surface. A new study published in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics (https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/19/8163/2019/#&gid=1&pid=1) suggests that the global warming effect will triple by 2050 as air travel grows in popularity and new technology enables planes to reach the higher cruising altitudes where contrails tend to form.

^from this article (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna1034521)

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[Sunny-side-up]

The Crimson Horse Blanket

A 3rd option........... Different engines.

Solution then:
Get those engines changed (impossible i know)




Hervé

If they are commercial airliners, they cannot be "side-by-side" but flying at different flight levels (altitude) to avoid air collision and therefore they may be flying in two different atmospheric layers with different atmospheric properties. So, that makes it another unusable, insufficiently documented and analyzed observation and accompanying drive-by shouted opinion.


In short, too many unknown variables in the proposition.

I didn't mean literally wing tip to wing tip :)
Flying off set one behind the other, which dose happen a lot.

And yes 'In short, too many unknown variables in the proposition.'

BTW I'm not being abrasive, not arguing, just won't to get to the bottom of this situation, condition, and if planed (possible many different objectives form different concerns) who and why?

Will carry on watching the other posted vids soon.

[Patient]

I know what cirrus clouds are.

I am not referring only to the shape, but how the light was affected by it.

I really don't care to argue this with you. It doesn't matter because it won't change anything.

They have been spraying your whole life, so nothing has changed for you.

[Kalamos]

I know what cirrus clouds are.

I am not referring only to the shape, but how the light was affected by it.

I really don't care to argue this with you. It doesn't matter because it won't change anything.

They have been spraying your whole life, so nothing has changed for you.

I thought chemtrail believers say this spraying is relatively new? When did it start? In the nineties?

I'll try and answer this one.


Chemtrail conspiracy theories began to circulate after the United States Air Force (USAF) published a 1996 report about weather modification.[10] Following the report, in the late 1990s the USAF was accused of "spraying the U.S. population with mysterious substances" from aircraft "generating unusual contrail patterns."[6][12] The theories were posted on Internet forums by people including Richard Finke and William Thomas, and were among many conspiracy theories popularized by late-night radio host Art Bell, starting in 1999.[13][8] As the chemtrail conspiracy theory spread, federal officials were flooded with angry calls and letters.[10][3]

From wikipedia's Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory) entry

[Nick Matkin]

From wikipedia's Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory) entry

That Wikipedia article is obviously funded by TPTB to discredit the conspiracy. (Sarcasm)

And it does it rather well! (Not sarcasm)

I wish the chemtrail pundits could at least agree on its purpose. So help us out here; picked from the Wikipedia article, which ones are true? Have any been omitted?


solar radiation management
weather modification
psychological manipulation
human population control
biological warfare
chemical warfare
manipulating futures prices
making people sick to benefit drug companies
using weather as a weapon
testing bioweapons
electrically conductive materials as part of a massive electromagnetic superweapons program based around the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)


I'm assuming those who believe Wikipedia is CIA funded and therefore full of toxic BS, the true reason for chemtrailing won't be included there. So please expose the real reason.

Take your time and answer in full...

[sms]

Australia is probably one of the most convenient places to prove the existence of chemtrails, however, after being aware of the “phenomenon” for around 20 years, my personal conclusion is that people have been programmed not to see them. And, I mean literally, - programmed. How the programming has been conducted, I would not be sure, however, it seems to me that it could have a lot to do with the ‘mechanics’ presented in the Project Camelot Interview with James Mahu (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/themes/wingmaker/style/dark/pdffiles/Project%20Camelot%20Interview.pdf)?!

I did some experiments long ago, trying to draw attention of certain people to the phenomenon in a pretty gentle way and what was happening, the people were starting to behave ‘erratically’. First, they would usually provide to me some ridiculous explanation and it would be so ridiculous that even they, somehow, would sense it, and then, they would proceed to change the topic immediately. If I would point to some inconsistencies in their explanations, they would get annoyed, nervous and even aggressive.

Here, in the eastern part of Australia, the most of the air traffic goes South-North-South. I live at a place somewhere half way between Sydney and Brisbane, inland. No one of the major routes (Adelaide/Melbourne/Canberra/Sydney to Brisbane and backwards) goes normally above the town where I live, as a shortest route. So, there are periods when we do not see any chemtrails, at all, however, when our area is scheduled for spraying, we will see them, going usually South-North-South, all the time. There were instances when a series of X’s or grids were set above the town with many trails going from the West towards East, where there was no a major town with an airport (the Central East Coast) where those planes could land, while the only major town on the western side would be Perth, 4000 km away, where the planes could come from or go to. And, again, even then, nobody noticing anything unusual?! Though, maybe, a few people with malfunctioning programming did?!

As each flight is registered on the live flight tracker flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com/61.33,10.96/7), one can easily check each plane the one could see above his head.

So, when I am having a coffee on my veranda and I see above my head something like this:

http://galaksija.is/images/kem.jpg

…and then, check the flight on the flightradar24, the route of the plane would look a bit ‘strange’, like this:

http://galaksija.com/images/cnb-bris.jpg

Of course, these are non-stop flights and no reason for such “elbow-routes”. From the book I quoted in my previous post, one can see that the special additives in the fuel, through the process of spray-pyrolysis in the jet engines, may produce nano-crystals like Barium-Strontium-Titanate, Morgellons components etc. which in our bodies may do different ‘jobs’.

This quote is from the same source:


“(Ba, Sr) TiO3 nano-crystals absorb UV light with wavelength shorter than 250nm, taking away 90% of the light passing the crystal. The absorption of signals shorther than 260nm is likely to eliminate the mono-directional signals responsible for cell division.

The up-conversion of absorbed photons would take two or three photons of a defined frequency and convert it to one of a higher frequency, resulting in disruption of cell communication and maybe cause cell damage due to the higher energy of the single resulting photon.

The refraction would geometrically disorder bidirectional biophoton waves, before being established.

The disorder induced regarding the non-linear qualities of second and third order could possibly alter the entire blueprint of nature causing pseudo-genetic deformations”. (page: 283)

So, normal passenger planes are usually used for chemtrail dispersion. (Of course, I remember the plane contrails from more than 20 years ago and they were quite different from what we are seeing during the last 20 years.)

Also, if it happens that I would drink the coffee with a friend or a neighbour, and if I would point to him the strange activities above our heads, and then show to him the routes of the planes on the laptop, he would first rationalise that the normal route was probably changed due to a bad weather, somewhere along the way. A quick check of the weather map would follow, and of course, it would show nothing wrong with the weather in the area. And, that would be the point were the discussion would stop and the topic changed. Or, we my agree that the airplane companies are wasting a lot of fuel for some unknown reason.

Hmm… the famous investigator of paranormal phenomena, John Alva Keel, wrote in his last book The Cosmic Question of the Eighth Tower (http://galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3069&hilit=John+keel), 40 years ago, the following:


You and I are biochemical robots controlled by the powerful radiations being broadcast from the Eighth Tower [supercomputer]. Our brains are programmed like computers, and many of us are suddenly and completely reprogrammed at some point in our adult life.
(…)
We are biochemical robots helplessly controlled by forces that can scramble our brains, destroy our memories and use us in any way they see fit. They have been doing it to us forever.
(…)
All of our beads are wired to a central switchboard [supercomputer]. That switchboard is the only God and the only reality. Illusions and delusions are piped down from it to further confound our perception of reality.”

Logically, most of the bio-chemical robots reading the book, would not register these statements, or if they do, they would automatically distort it, reject it, ignore, deny, forget… as those statements would go against their programming. Which bio-chemical robot, as a programmed entity, would willingly acknowledge and contemplate something like that?! Perhaps, only some of those with malfunctioning programming?! I mean, what if John was right?! What would be the point in convincing an ordinary bio-chemical robot into something, by a malfunctioning bio-chemical robot?

I have a friend in Europe whose wife is a flight controller. Believe or not, she would never discuss anything about the issue with him!? She would not deny it, she would not confirm it. Just, no discussion, although, he tried many times, as he is aware of the ‘phenomenon’. I do not know if it was due to programming or being threatened by somebody or, a bit of both?!

Furthermore, when this phenomenon is in question, one may remind himself of what one of the most sincere UFO investigators, Barbara Bartholic (http://galaksija.com/literatura/b_bartholic.pdf), used to say in terms that “the same force was moving black and white pieces across the chess-board, so that the outcome of the game could always be under its control”. (How this was possible, one can find out by a contemplation of the above and below linked articles.)

Therefore, most of those pointing to the chemtrail issue as something real, as “white pieces on the chess-board, being aware and wanting to spread the truth”, will be doing it with a spin, in a controlled way and nothing would change.

At the end, everything comes to the level of an individual, in terms of, how much he/she would be able to discern the Truth in this Hologram of Deception (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Fifth-Interview-of-Dr.-Neruda1.pdf) (where the deception could be that huge, as beyond our ability to even imagine it) and to act upon it.

..

[amor]

Here is the lowdown. I have carefully watched thousands of very high flying jets laying down chemtrails, as well as commercial jets that fly by and leave an inch trail which quickly dissipates. Chemtrails are very long and long lasting, have nipples on them where they exit the nozzle under the wing and fluff out hugely on their way down to earth and to blank out the blue of the sky and the sun. They appear to be employed for a number of purposes, including to block our view of the heavens where other planets or craft may be going by, to poison all on earth, to distribute disease, and possibly to protect us from a SUN that may be about to SCORCH us to death on the way to blinding us as well.

That space object seen pumping something out of the sun was in my opinion pumping something INTO THE SUN. I have been watching the sun for 79 years and I won't brook any nonsense with those who say otherwise.

The chemtrail planes are coming from Military Bases. The one in Utah had vast tanks of chemical material which could be seen on Google Earth. In Northern Florida they are coming from the direction of the Western Panhandle of the state. I watch them as they make their patterns. Anyone who doubts me is a disinformation agent or needs glasses or an intelligence test. Some passenger planes dispense chemtrails, that is why your luggage rates have increased. Mostly, the military planes are fully loaded with tanks of chemicals.

The NWO has slated the USA for takedown to communist level by the Democrat Party. They are employing the Alice Bailey Agenda: Destroy the family, the economy, the morals, the two sexes by all means possible, flood the borders with refugees and destroy the culture and religious values, etc. etc. Look it up on Avalon. They want the human race to return to Android, sexless things, robots. Happy riddance to humanity.

[The Moss Trooper]

Here is the lowdown. I have carefully watched thousands of very high flying jets laying down chemtrails, as well as commercial jets that fly by and leave an inch trail which quickly dissipates. Chemtrails are very long and long lasting, have nipples on them where they exit the nozzle under the wing and fluff out hugely on their way down to earth and to blank out the blue of the sky and the sun. They appear to be employed for a number of purposes, including to block our view of the heavens where other planets or craft may be going by, to poison all on earth, to distribute disease, and possibly to protect us from a SUN that may be about to SCORCH us to death on the way to blinding us as well.

That space object seen pumping something out of the sun was in my opinion pumping something INTO THE SUN. I have been watching the sun for 79 years and I won't brook any nonsense with those who say otherwise.

The chemtrail planes are coming from Military Bases. The one in Utah had vast tanks of chemical material which could be seen on Google Earth. In Northern Florida they are coming from the direction of the Western Panhandle of the state. I watch them as they make their patterns. Anyone who doubts me is a disinformation agent or needs glasses or an intelligence test. Some passenger planes dispense chemtrails, that is why your luggage rates have increased. Mostly, the military planes are fully loaded with tanks of chemicals.

The NWO has slated the USA for takedown to communist level by the Democrat Party. They are employing the Alice Bailey Agenda: Destroy the family, the economy, the morals, the two sexes by all means possible, flood the borders with refugees and destroy the culture and religious values, etc. etc. Look it up on Avalon. They want the human race to return to Android, sexless things, robots. Happy riddance to humanity.



You know, for quite a while I used to have this outlook, more or less. That it was an additive in jet fuel used by commercial planes causing these 'chemtrails' so abundant in our skies. Then I got to thinking "why?'. Why would 'they' be spraying our skies........ Was it toxins to poison our air, water and land? No. Because, surely, if 'they' were poisoning our planet, 'they' would also be poisoning their planet. 'They' would still have to breath that same air, drink the same water and eat food from the same land........ Unless, 'they' had a drug that counter-acted against the poison somehow? Then it becomes the same as looking at a Mandelbrot Sprout, a never-ending focus upon fractals of fractals....... The rabbit hole going as deep as forever.

Military planes. This one doesn't wash either. The pilots and crews of these planes have families, who have families, who have families........ Maybe they have no knowledge of the task that they are supporting? This would make sense, as per compartmentalisation, but I would've thought that the highly dangerous chemicals being loaded onto the planes would be enough to ask even the most cursory of questions. The loading crew in full hazmat gear? The extreme safety procedures in place, etc, etc. The point made a couple of posts above, that I have done myself on many an occasion as I live under the main Atlantic commercial air-corridor, in looking at a plane leaving a vast 'chemtrail' with powerful binoculars and seeing that it is a commercial carrier from CDG to MIA flying it's scheduled route at it's scheduled time. Apart from two C-17 Globe Masters around four years ago, I've never seen another military aircraft leaving 'chemtrails'.

According to the general consensus, these 'chemtrails' have been happening for some twenty-odd years now. If there usage was for nefarious purposes, to make people sick, to poison our food, water, air, etc, surely we would be seeing a massive increase of Morgellons (I use this as an example as it seems to be the most-used term of a condition caused by 'chemtrails') effecting a huge swath of people across the globe, but especially northern America and northern Europe. A massive increase of dead or dying crops, of poisoned water and air. I have not seen nor read of that happening, yet.

I can confirm I'm neither a disinformation agent, or in need of an intelligence test (just what is that, by the way? An intelligence test.... just think about that one). I am merely stating my observations and current understanding.


So maybe it could be new engines, as this side of the equation has vastly changed over the last twenty or so years. The High Bypass Turbofan has become the newest industry standard engine due to it's relatively cheap cost and fuel saving economy, making it a no-brainer for the carriers.

Just something to think upon.

[Nick Matkin]

The chemtrail planes are coming from Military Bases...


Well not in Europe they're not! There are plenty of military bases here, but the European population density would make it very obvious if there were as may flights from these bases as 'chemtrails' would suggest. And I think tanker-loads of transported chemtrail material would be spotted by those convinced there is such a thing.

And as Horse Blanket says, why would 'They' be polluting the same planet they and their families live on - unless another conspiracy is concocted to support the first one - always a bad idea.

Believe what you will, but the evidence does not stack up.

I see no one has attempted to unpick any of the points in post #67...

[Hervé]

Mid-air dust particle factories (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101492-Dust-Particles-Influence-On-The-Weather-AND-Earth-s-Climate):


1940, Europe, Bomber with fighter escorts (https://contrailscience.com/wwii-contrails/)


http://contrailscience.com/images/1940sBombersWithEscorts.jpg



The 1940s, From the 1950 book Air Force: A Pictorial History


http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1940sairforcepictorial.jpg




For more WWII contrails, see here:



http://lh3.ggpht.com/Uncinus/SKhajpVp-YE/AAAAAAAAAIc/u2UpCM_aruM/s160-c/WWIIContrails.jpg (http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/WWIIContrails)
WWII Contrails (https://plus.google.com/photos/107393796095434664991/albums/5235534135256807809)



Persistent buggers, ain't they!

[Ernie Nemeth]

I find this to be the problem with all alternative interpretations that run counter to the main narrative.

No one can agree.

Also this particular debate seems to be age related. Older pundits of chemtrails remember when the skies did not display these man-made features, if that's what they are. There was a time when the sky could be read for future activity. Not anymore.

Still, if I can predict, based on past experience, what chemtrails will occur when and where - is that a natural occurance?

Some here say we must address at least the reason for spraying - as if in this instance the reason is the determining factor. We don't know the reason for this anymore than we know why people are abducted or why naturopathic doctors are dropping like flies - among many other mysteries. Why should this one have more onus on the conspiracy theorist than any other topic?

We in the alternative field of research seem to be our own worst enemy...

[Praxis]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


It was pointed out to me the other day by someone who works for a Foundation and is in regular contact and using images from NGA. NRO puts the assets up. NGA operates and gets images from them. FYI. I was not aware this was the arrangement. Apparently there is heavy internal conflict between IC components over who gets to control what.

Clouds are a national security asset in terms of being watched by satellites. This person said "Bad actors use them to hide movements."

Anyone saying we cant make clouds or weather needs to investigate Operation Popeye.

Maybe they arent about spraying chems on people but rather hiding the movement of assets.

This also dovetails with the triangle I saw over Fort Collins CO. It was flying below radar level, which would also put it under cloud cover. I was always curious why they would fly so low given it would make it easier to see. This explains that.

[Hervé]

In case readers don't follow links (you know, those embedded under bolded blue texts and which lead to some other page...), here is the Ockham's razor (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ockham%27s+razor) explanation for the WW II persistent contrails:

WWII Contrails
There are lots of photos of contrails from World War II. I’ve collected a few of them here:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107393796095434664991/albums/5235534135256807809
The collection shows all types of contrail formation – from the very short ones, to long persistent trails that spread out like cloud cover.

Why so many photos of contrails in WWII, and not so many from the 50’s and 60’s? The simple reason is that contrails only form at very low temperatures, which are normally found at high altitude, and in peacetime there was NO REASON TO FLY THAT HIGH until the advent of commercial jet travel a few decades later.

The only reason these planes are flying that high is so they can avoid anti-aircraft fire. The bombers fly as high as they can, and then their fighter escorts fly even higher, so they can see incoming aircraft targeting the bombers, and swoop down to attack. This type of escorting is called “Top Cover”. The most classic example of this is the famous photo “Top cover over J-Group”:


https://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/topcoverphotow.jpg (http://www.390th.org/research/TopCover/topcover.htm)
This photo was taken over Emden, Germany, on September 27th, 1943, by Stanley M. Smith.

[Praxis]

Just FYI,

Ockhams razor is often misquoted and mis understood.

It is not the simplest answer but rather the one with the fewest assumptions. There is a very big difference.

[Orph]

Wow. I didn't realize piston engine planes could produce contrails. Learn something new every day.

[Andre]

You know, for quite a while I used to have this outlook, more or less. That it was an additive in jet fuel used by commercial planes causing these 'chemtrails' so abundant in our skies. Then I got to thinking "why?'. Why would 'they' be spraying our skies........ Was it toxins to poison our air, water and land? No. Because, surely, if 'they' were poisoning our planet, 'they' would also be poisoning their planet. 'They' would still have to breath that same air, drink the same water and eat food from the same land........ Unless, 'they' had a drug that counter-acted against the poison somehow? Then it becomes the same as looking at a Mandelbrot Sprout, a never-ending focus upon fractals of fractals....... The rabbit hole going as deep as forever.

There are many more plausible reasons for chemtrails that have nothing to do with an intent to poison, e.g sun dimming, weather modification, part the ionospheric heaters used by the military and so forth. Many or most of these are well known to those who has studied the issue and some of these deserve more reasoned debate than the isolated poisoning experiments which may have piggy backed onto some of the stratospheric aerosol spraying programs from time to time. It is also unreasonable to dismiss poisoning outright in relation to chemtrails when it is only reasonable to suspect that it does goes on occasionally, similar to the well documented cases of spraying DDT and other toxic agents over selective populations in the 1950s.


Military planes. This one doesn't wash either. The pilots and crews of these planes have families, who have families, who have families........ Maybe they have no knowledge of the task that they are supporting? This would make sense, as per compartmentalisation, but I would've thought that the highly dangerous chemicals being loaded onto the planes would be enough to ask even the most cursory of questions. The loading crew in full hazmat gear? The extreme safety procedures in place, etc, etc. The point made a couple of posts above, that I have done myself on many an occasion as I live under the main Atlantic commercial air-corridor, in looking at a plane leaving a vast 'chemtrail' with powerful binoculars and seeing that it is a commercial carrier from CDG to MIA flying it's scheduled route at it's scheduled time. Apart from two C-17 Globe Masters around four years ago, I've never seen another military aircraft leaving 'chemtrails'.

Firstly, it would be normal practice to have these pilots sign confidentiality agreements which would mean what crews do or do not wear and do in the cargo hold and elsewhere is irrelevant. It would also be normal practice to pay them a lot of money to keep their mouths shut.


According to the general consensus, these 'chemtrails' have been happening for some twenty-odd years now. If there usage was for nefarious purposes, to make people sick, to poison our food, water, air, etc, surely we would be seeing a massive increase of Morgellons (I use this as an example as it seems to be the most-used term of a condition caused by 'chemtrails') effecting a huge swath of people across the globe, but especially northern America and northern Europe. A massive increase of dead or dying crops, of poisoned water and air. I have not seen nor read of that happening, yet..

Are you intentionally selecting the least plausible reason for spraying here? Those who have thought long and hard about chemtrailing are well aware that poisoning is the least viable motive and that sun dimming, weather modification and other motives are the ones worth discussing, not poisoning the population. This line of argument would be one used by a troll and not someone with a considered opinion on the matter.


I can confirm I'm neither a disinformation agent, or in need of an intelligence test (just what is that, by the way? An intelligence test.... just think about that one). I am merely stating my observations and current understanding.

With all due respect, I find your arguments to lack critical thinking and appear (at least to me) to be based on somewhat shallow thinking. I can't tell if that is intentional or not.


So maybe it could be new engines, as this side of the equation has vastly changed over the last twenty or so years. The High Bypass Turbofan has become the newest industry standard engine due to it's relatively cheap cost and fuel saving economy, making it a no-brainer for the carriers.

[Andre]

There are a number of websites listed below that critique or debunk the chemtrail conspiracy theories. See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/
https://www.metabunk.org/forums/contrails-and-chemtrails.9/
http://contrailscience.com/

I find it hard to believe that a member of this forum would initiate a thread by quoting wikipedia, metabunk and those other sources of disinformation.

Should I perhaps start a thread on the Flat Earth Theory and ask if other Avalonians considered that it may be true? Should we waste our time debating any nonsense out of politeness, because free speech means giving a forum to anyone with an opinion steeped in cognitive dissonance?

I fear Avalon will quickly decline if members engage with information sourced from the Ministry of Information out of some misplaced sense of fairness.

But I also admit, I don't have a clue what can be done about it.

[Carmody]

How about the idea that we can decide that atoms must exist yet we really don't have any idea what exactly they are.

since there is, in nearly 100 years of searching and exploring...no 'final definitive/defining reality' to an atom, we can dismiss them as fantasy, period. the end. discussion concluded. forever.

We do have some so minimal to major issue with the idea of chemtrails. With the idea of observation. With what we see --- those observations -- not fitting in.

To force a motion of fantasy, that chemtrails are pure fantasy.... is to force a motion like deciding that atoms are wholly unreal.

It's unscientific, it's anti thinking, anti observation, anti proofing, anti-scientific method, and so on.

There is something going on, and we are not, in the general public knowledge, really sure of what is going on. On the edges of the envelope of human social groups and norms...this becomes a concern, like it is right now.



They say 'factional war' for the system of oligarchy. That is the claim.

Just yesterday, the financial times ran an article about oligarchy being factious and that there is a factional war going on in the power system of the west.

The so called conspiracy theory about these warring group(s) goes mainstream --- into the average human's lexicon of understanding.



re chemtrails, I've personally seen persistent long living non dissipating particle trails in the skies, very much below 20,000ft (if not substantially LOWER).... on hot 35 degree C august summer afternoons. We're talking well, well below the inland altitude for a cross continent jet airliner flight.

Now, that's just my personal anecdotes, of course.

But what I saw defies all possible aspects of what exactly creates a vaporous trail or contrail. As in, deep inland and no possibility of any cold air being that low to the ground. As in the 'high up' cold air required for a condensation trail to form.

And, I then predicted to multiple people owning businesses, each with a fair number of employees (10-40 employees each) that there would be a rash of people calling in sick over the next few days. summer flus, stomach and body problems, rashes, respiratory problems, sinus problems, eye problems, joint problems, etc.

They confirmed my prediction over the following week, as having happened among their groups of employees.

The record of it is right here on this forum.


It happened the same time I saw a UFO, and that UFO was also, photographed by me and the images are at the filer's files website.

the chemtrails and their photography and the UFO photography all happened on the same day, in the same moments. I caught photographs of the 'trails' and the UFO, together.

Separate from one another. Also, large jets surrounding and milling around the UFO from far back, having arrived across an international border to get there, and when the UFO was gone, then traveling back across the international border.

Even further strangeness, is that what was obviously particle trails of some sort, all over the skies in the UFO scenario, not one single jet, not one single airliner or plane was heard--or seen. Nothing. Yet, we looked up and saw the slowly dissipating LOW particle trails in the skies. Just the trails, no evidence or record of how they got there.

I'm just thinking right now. A Cessna at 10k ft? (re imagining the height of the trails) no. This was lower. So yeah, definitely particle trails of some sort, laid down with some unheard and unseen set of craft of some sort, mixed in with a solid UFO sighting.

I've seen crop dusting dissipate before, and this is similar, at about 10k ft or lower. I've also seen aircraft hitting forest fires, up close and personal, so I do understand the differences between contrails at height and blooms of dissipating particle trails in hot hot skies at much lower altitudes.

I have photographs of it all.

there's something going on. it has definitely slowed down over the past years (where I'm at) but there was a time when it was extremely active, whatever 'it' is.

The UFO seen amomg the particle trails and the effect photographed...is or was similar to what is called a dumbbell craft.

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/ufos-1.png

(place the image is from) (http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2018/05/daytime-ufo-activity-over-montreal-canada-29-may-2018.html)

In my case...The craft was impossibly bright and even eye confusing. Close. Very close. Insanely bright. Impossibly bright. Mirrored in the extreme. Yet the images I captured...have it being small and distant. Interesting....(like trying to capture the full moon on the horizon. The eye sees it is big and close but the camera says it is small and distant.) In my case, the 'ufo'..moved like it was on rails. I've never witnessed anything that seemed that stiff or ramrod stiff in the skies, like it literally was on rails. As rigid and perfect as moving a giant ship on grease cross a giant cement floor.

since it is near impossible to define distance and size via a clean sky shot, in quite a few of the images, I went through the effort to capture the tops of the trees and the soffit of the two story house..at the same time I have images of the particle trails. Otherwise the images could easily be debunked. the next part is the crazily detailed, intricate swirls of particles dissipating. Which you will not get in a distant vapor trail shot. All in the same shot as the tree tops and the soffit of the house.

[Nick Matkin]

But I also admit, I don't have a clue what can be done about it.

Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:



Get a sample for independent analysis
Find where it's being made
Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.


That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...

[Hervé]

... I do understand the differences between contrails at height and blooms of dissipating particle trails in hot hot skies at much lower altitudes.Carmody, thank you for making the distinction.

Now, where does one go to rent a silent aerosol sprayer?

Were the large, accompanying jets also silent?

[Bill Ryan]

On this subject, here's one of the images that (metaphorically!) keeps me awake at night. :)

It was taken, with a good camera, by an ex-military guy over Vail, Colorado, I believe (from memory) about 12 years ago.

So what is this thing?!

http://projectavalon.net/circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg

[Nick Matkin]

I find it hard to believe that a member of this forum would initiate a thread by quoting wikipedia, metabunk and those other sources of disinformation.


Rather than just casually dismiss data from a website you don't trust, how about thoughtfully deconstructing each point and showing us why it's wrong?

[Baby Steps]

But I also admit, I don't have a clue what can be done about it.

Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:



Get a sample for independent analysis
Find where it's being made
Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.


That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...

I tend to believe this conspiracy theory, but would dearly love to confirm it with a frank discussion with an air traffic controller

[The Moss Trooper]

Andre:



This line of argument would be one used by a troll

Oh, does it now? Did you come-up with that seed of wisdom yourself?




With all due respect, I find your arguments to lack critical thinking and appear (at least to me) to be based on somewhat shallow thinking. I can't tell if that is intentional or not.


Please, please, oh wise one, put this non-critically-thinking Troll out of his misery........... What is going on in our skies then?


Andre, you're an absolute Salad lad.

Bonne Nuit.

[EFO]

On this subject, here's one of the images that (metaphorically!) keeps me awake at night. :)

It was taken, with a good camera, by an ex-military guy over Vail, Colorado, I believe (from memory) about 12 years ago.

So what is this thing?!

http://projectavalon.net/circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg

Dear Bill,
I saw your images somewhere else on Avalon,but I didn't comment it and perhaps now is the time to do this and I'll be as short and explicit as I can.

1-From your first image it can be clearly see how the trail is longitudinal divided in three parts.From the second image the trail is not exhausted but somehow eliminated and immediately created in a cylindrical form behind the object.
2-In 2015 or 2016 I saw a white craft having a accolade form exactly like that used in math problems/exercises flying from NV to SE.That craft left behind it a very tangled curled moving white trail no longer than craft's width (about 3 cm as I saw it on the clear blue sky).My wife didn't see it even if it was right above our heads.The sighting didn't last more than 2-3 minutes since the moment I saw it and the craft disappeared from the sky together with its trail.

What these special trails are,I don't have a clue and I can only presume that are used for an unknown purpose both for humans/planet and non human DNA entities.In any case,things are happening and in my and my wife case are happening in a good/benevolent way.

[sms]

If an airplane releasing a chemtrail is not registered on the live flight tracker (flightradar24), and if you take a photo of it, there would be a great chance that, upon a closer inspection, the “plane” would look like this:

https://www.galaksija.com/nlo.gif

https://www.galaksija.com/nlo2.jpg

https://www.galaksija.com/nlo4.jpg

https://www.galaksija.com/nlo3.jpg

...it seems that different parties have been involved in the project?!

..

[sms]

Is not it interesting, that we have similar dynamics with UFOs and chemtrails, when it is about the explanation of that ‘phenomena’:

1. “They do not exist”.

2. “OK, they do exist but they are here for our own good”.

3. Here we have various conspiracy theories, where, when the chemtrails are in question, probably the worse one would be this: - as the main ingredient of chemtrails is the nano-crystal, BaSrTiO3 (Barium-Strontium-Titanate; as found out by some German scientists) which has the ability to modify, damage or destroy our DNA, when activated by certain frequencies (5G?!), this would make it an ideal agent for a controlled depopulation of the planet, under a cover of a “dangerous virus” (pandemic) or radiation poisoning. By now, most of us would have those nano-crystals in our bodies. Short and good, when activated by certain frequencies in certain areas, those nano-crystals would cause a huge number of people dying and they would be told by the authorities that it was due to something else.

When connecting the dots, people need to ask the question, - why the authorities have been advertising the radiation as “something very dangerous”, while Galen Winsor was swallowing the radioactive substances in front of the audience, whenever he held his lectures, where he was saying that it was only - one of those big lies?

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Of course, in such a case, as a source of the radioactivity, we would be provided with a limited/controlled nuclear war, as well, which would seem to break out “spontaneously” or on the ground of some “rational” reason. (By now, we are very well conditioned by psychopaths from the positions of power, i.e. pathocracy, to rationalize all psychopathological activities taking place in this reality.) As one may expect, on such instances, the EL-ite/EL-ohim would be in their DUMBs, well insulated from the damaging frequencies. As implied by the Georgia Guidestones, 500 million people would be allowed to survive the event.

Could there be a connection?

And, strangely enough, I have not seen the mentioned nano-crystals seriously discussed anywhere?! People are talking about Barium, Strontium, Titanium, Aluminium etc. and their properties, per se, but not about the nano-crystals, which have some new and different properties, from the ingredients they were made from, by the process of jet-pyrolysis of the certain fuel additives, in the plane engines?!

At the end, as we are, obviously, unable to discern what is, from - what is not, there is a great chance that this conspiracy theory belongs to - what is not!?

..

[sms]

Just to add that, the William Bramley’s book, The Gods of Eden (http://www.whale.to/c/Gods_of_Eden_Bramley.pdf) might be helpful in assessing the plausibility of the above conspiracy theory, as there some indications that the bio-chemical warfare was conducted against the humanity in the past, on several occasions. The “third party”, initiating and conducting the warfare, was always invisible or just partially visible to us, but unexplained, because they are also the ones who do “explaining” for us or the “control of the narrative”. This means that partial depopulations of this planet were carried out in the past, under the guise of some highly contagious disease outbreaks (beside various wars) and they might be carried out in the future, as well.

Here are some excerpts from the book:


The Plaques of Justinian

Between 540 A.D. and 592 A.D., when Justinian was carrying out his Christian "reforms," a bubonic plague engulfed the East Roman Empire and spread to Europe. The epidemic began inside Justinian's realm, and so it was named "Justinian's Plague." Justinian's Plague was one of the most devastating plagues of history and many people at the time believed it to be a punishment from God. In fact, the word "plague" comes from the Latin word for "blow" or "wound." Plague has been nicknamed "God's Disease," i.e., a blow or wound from God.

One reason people thought plague to be from God was the frequent appearance of unusual aerial phenomena in conjunction with outbreaks of the plague. One chronicler of Justinian's Plague was the famous historian, Gregory of Tours, who documented a number of unusual events from the plague years. Gregory reports that just before Justinian's Plague invaded the Auvergne region of France in 567 A.D., three or four brilliant lights appeared around the sun and the heavens appeared to be on fire. This may have been a natural "sun dog" effect; however, other unusual celestial phenomena were also seen in the area. Another historian reported a similar event twenty-three years later in another part of France: Avignon. "Strange sights" were reported in the sky and the ground was sometimes as brightly illuminated at night as in the day. Shortly thereafter, a disastrous outbreak of the plague occurred there. Gregory reported a sighting in Rome consisting of an immense "dragon" which floated through the city and down to the sea, followed by a severe outbreak of the plague immediately thereafter.

Such reports chillingly suggest the unthinkable: that Justinian's Plague was caused by biological warfare agents spread by Custodial aircraft. It would be a repetition of similar plagues reported in the Bible and ancient Mesopotamian texts. By the time of Justinian's Plague, however, the Custodians were "invisible." They were hidden behind Brotherhood secrecy and veils of religious myth, yet they were apparently no less concerned about keeping their slave race oppressed. We will see a great deal more evidence of UFO activity associated with plagues in the upcoming chapter on the Black Death. (pages 149-150).

…and to save the effort, her is a large excerpt from the chapter on the Black Death, which would be an important read, in order to understand the connection between various “aerial phenomena” and dispersion of bio-chemical agents, carried out for depopulation and other purposes.



The Black Death

The Black Death began in Asia and soon spread to Europe where it killed well over 25 million people (about one third of Europe's total population) in less than four years. Some historians put the casualty figure closer to 35 to 40 million people, or about half of all Europeans.

The epidemic first spread through Europe between 1347 and 1350. The Bubonic Plague continued to strike Europe with decreasing fatality every ten to twenty years in shortlived outbreaks all the way up until the 1700's. Although it is difficult to calculate the total number of deaths from that 400-year period, it is believed that over 100 million people may have died from the Plague.

Two types of plague are believed to have caused the Black Death. The first is the "bubonic" type, which was the most common. The bubonic form of plague is characterized by swellings of the lymph nodes; the swellings are called "buboes." The buboes are accompanied by vomiting, fever, and death within several days if not treated. This form of plague is not contagious between human beings: it requires an active carrier, such as a flea. For this reason, many historians believe that flea-infested rodents caused the Bubonic Plague. Rodents are known to carry the disease even today.

A number of records from between 1347 and the late 1600's speak of rodent infestations prior to several outbreaks of the Black Death, lending credence to the rodent theory.

The second form of plague contributing to the Black Death is a highly contagious type known as "pneumonic" plague. It is marked by shivering, rapid breathing, and the coughing up of blood. Body temperatures are high and death normally follows three to four days after the disease has been contracted. This second type of plague is nearly always fatal and transmits best in cold weather and in poor ventilation.

Some physicians today believe it was this second form, the "pneumonic" plague, which was responsible for most of the casualties of the Black Death because of the crowding and poor hygienic conditions then prevalent in Europe.

We would normally shake our heads at this tragic period of human history and be thankful that modern medicine has developed cures for these dread diseases. However, troubling enigmas about the Black Death still linger. Many outbreaks occurred in summer during warm weather in uncrowded regions. Not all outbreaks of bubonic plague were preceded by rodent infestation; in fact, only a minority of cases seemed to be related to an increase in the presence of vermin. The greatest puzzle about the Black Death is how it was able to strike isolated human populations which had no contact with earlier infected areas. The epidemics also tended to end abruptly.

To solve these puzzles, an historian would normally look to records from the Plague years to see what people were reporting. When he does so, he encounters stories so stunning and unbelievable that he is likely to reject them as the fantasies and superstitions of badly frightened minds.

A great many people throughout Europe and other Plaguestricken regions of the world were reporting that outbreaks of the Plague were caused by foul-smelling "mists." Those mists frequently appeared after unusually bright lights in the sky. The historian quickly discovers that "mists" and bright lights were reported far more frequently and in many more locations than were rodent infestations. The Plague years were, in fact, a period of heavy UFO activity.

What; then, were the mysterious mists?

There is another very important way in which plague germs can be transmitted: through germ weapons. The United States and the Soviet Union today have stockpiles of biological weapons containing bubonic plague and other epidemic diseases. The germs are kept alive in cannisters which spray the diseases into the air on thick, often visible, artificial mists. Anyone breathing in the mist will inhale the disease. There are enough such germ weapons today to wipe out a good portion of humanity. Reports of identical disease-inducing mists from the Plague years strongly suggest that the Black Death was caused by germ warfare.

Let us take a look at the incredible reports which lead to that conclusion.

The first outbreak of the Plague in Europe followed an unusual series of events. Between 1298 and 1314, seven large "comets" were seen over Europe; one was of "aweinspiring blackness."1 One year before the first outbreak of the epidemic in Europe, a "column of fire" was reported over the Pope's* palace at Avignon, France. Earlier that year, a "ball of fire" was observed over Paris; it reportedly remained visible to observers for some time. To the people of Europe, these sightings were considered omens of the Plague which soon followed.

It is true that some reported "comets" were probably just that: comets. Some may also have been small meteors or fireballs (large blazing meteors). Centuries ago, people were generally far more superstitious than they are today and so natural meteors and similar prosaic phenomena were often reported as precursors to later disasters even though there was no real-life connection. On the other hand, it is important to note that almost any unusual object in the sky was called a "comet." A good example is found in a bestselling book published in 1557: A Chronicle of Prodigies and Portents . . .** by Conrad Lycosthenes. On page 494 of Lycosthenes' book we read of a "comet" observed in the year 1479: "A comet was seen in Arabia in the manner of a sharply pointed wooden beam ..." The accompanying illustration, which was based on eyewitness descriptions, shows what clearly looks like the front half of a rocketship among some clouds. The object appears to have many portholes. Today we would call the object a UFO, not a comet. This leads us to wonder how many other ancient "comets" were actually similar rocketlike objects.

When we are confronted with-an old report of a comet, we therefore do not really know what kind of thing we are dealing with unless there is a fuller description. A report of a sudden increase in "comets" or similar celestial phenomena may, in fact, mean an increase in UFO activity.

The link between unusual aerial phenomena and the Black Death was established immediately during the first outbreaks of the Plague in Asia. As one historian tells us:

The first reports [of the Plague] came out of the East. They were confused, exaggerated, frightening, as reports from that quarter of the world so often are: descriptions of storms and earthquakes: of meteors and comets trailing noxious gases that killed trees and destroyed the fertility of the land....

The above passage indicates that strange flying objects were doing more than just spreading disease: they were also apparently spraying chemical or biological defoliants from the air. The above passage echoes the ancient Mesopotamian tablets which described defoliation of the landscape by ancient Custodial "gods." Many human casualties from the Black Death may have been caused by such defoliants.

The connection between aerial phenomena and plague had begun centuries before the Black Death. We saw examples in our earlier discussion of Justinian's Plague. We read from another source about a large plague that had reportedly broken out in the year 1117—almost 250 years before the Black Death. That plague was also preceded by unusual celestial phenomena:

In 1117, in January, a comet passed like a fiery army from the North towards the Orient, the moon was overcast blood-red in an eclipse, a year later a light appeared more brilliant than the sun. This was followed by great cold, famine, and plague, of which one-third of humanity is said to have perished.*3

Once the medieval Black Death got started, noteworthy aerial phenomena continued to accompany the dread epidemic.

Reports of many of these phenomena were assembled by Johannes Nohl and published in his book, The Black Death, A Chronicle of the Plague (1926). According to Mr. Nohl, at least 26 "comets" were reported between 1500 and 1543. Fifteen or sixteen were seen between 1556 and 1597.
In the year 1618, eight or nine were observed. Mr. Nohl emphasizes the connection which people perceived between the "comets" and subsequent epidemics:

In the year 1606 a comet was seen, after which a general plague traversed the world. In 1582 a comet brought so violent a plague upon Majo, Prague, Thuringia, the Netherlands, and other places that in Thuringia it carried off 37,000 and in the Netherlands 46,415.4

From Vienna, Austria, we get the following description of an event which happened in 1568. Here we see a connection between an outbreak of Plague and an object described in a manner remarkably similar to a modern cigar or beamshaped UFO:

When in sun and moonlight a beautiful rainbow and a fiery beam were seen hovering above the church of St. Stephanie, which was followed by a violent epidemic in Austria, Swabia, Augsberg, Wuertemberg, Nuremburg, and other places, carrying off human beings and cattle.5

Sightings of unusual aerial phenomena usually occurred from several minutes to a year before an outbreak of Plague.

Where there was a gap between such a sighting and the arrival of the Plague, a second phenomenon was sometimes reported: the appearance of frightening humanlike figures dressed in black. Those figures were often seen on the outskirts of a town or village and their presence would signal the outbreak of an epidemic almost immediately. A summary written in 1682 tells of one such visit a century earlier:

In Brandenburg there appeared in 1559 horrible men, of whom at first fifteen and later on twelve were seen. The foremost had beside their posteriors little heads, the others fearful faces and long scythes, with which they cut at the oats, so that the swish could be heard at a great distance, but the oats remained standing. When a quantity of people came running out to see them, they went on with their mowing.6

The visit of the strange men to the oat fields was followed immediately by a severe outbreak of the Plague in Brandenburg.

This incident raises intriguing questions: who were the mysterious figures? What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound? It appears that the "scythes" may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ-laden gas. This would mean that the townspeople misinterpreted the movement of the "scythes" as an attempt to cut oats when, in fact, the movements were the act of spraying aerosols on the town.

Similar men dressed in black were reported in Hungary:. . . in the year of Christ 1571 was seen at Cremnitz in the mountain towns of Hungary on Ascension Day in the evening to the great perturbation [disturbance] of all, when on the Schuelersberg there appeared so many black riders that the opinion was prevalent that the Turks were making a secret raid, but who rapidly disappeared again, and thereupon a raging plague broke out in the neighborhood.7

Strange men dressed in black, "demons," and other terrifying figures were observed in other European communities.

The frightening creatures were often observed carrying long "brooms," "scythes," or "swords" that were used to "sweep" or "knock at" the doors of people's homes. The inhabitants of those homes fell ill with plague afterwards. It is from these reports that people created the popular image of "Death" as a skeleton or demon carrying a scythe. The scythe came to symbolize the act of Death mowing down people like stalks of grain. In looking at this haunting image of death, we may, in fact, be staring into the face of the UFO.

Of all the phenomena connected to the Black Death, by far the most frequently reported were the strange, noxious "mists." The vapors were often observed even when the other phenomena were not. Mr. Nohl points out that moist pestilential fogs were "a feature which preceded the epidemic throughout its whole course."8 A great many physicians of the time took it for granted that the strange mists caused the Plague. This connection was established at the very beginning of the Black Death, as Mr. Nohl tells us:

The origin of the plague lay in China, there it is said to have commenced to rage already in the year 1333, after a terrible mist emitting a fearful stench and infecting the air.9

Another account stresses that the Plague did not spread from person to person, but was contracted by breathing the deadly stinking air:

During the whole of the year 1382 there was no wind, in consequence of which the air grew putrid, so that an epidemic broke out, and the plague did not pass from one man to another, but everyone who was killed by it got it straight from the air.10

Reports of deadly "mists" and "pestilential fogs" came from all Plague-infested parts of the world:

A Prague chronicle describes the epidemic in China, India and Persia; and the Florentine historian Matteo Villani, who took up the work of his brother Giovanni after he had died of the plague in Florence, relays the account of earthquakes and pestilential fogs from a traveller in Asia;.. 11

The same historian continues: A similar incident of earthquake and pestilential fog was reported from Cyprus, and it was believed that the wind had been so poisonous that men were struck down and died from it.12

He adds: German accounts speak of a heavy vile-smelling mist which advanced from the East and spread itself over Italy.13

That author states that in other countries:... people were convinced that they could contract the disease from the stench, or even, as is sometimes described, actually see the plague coming through the streets as a pale fog.14

He summarizes, rather dramatically: The earth itself seemed in a state of convulsion, shuddering and spitting, putting forth heavy poisonous winds that destroyed animals and plants and called swarms of insects to life to complete the destruction.15

Similar happenings are echoed by other writers. A journal from 1680 reported this odd incident:

That between Eisenberg and Dornberg thirty funeral biers [casket stands] all covered with black cloth were seen in broad daylight, among them on a bier a blackman was standing with a white cross. When these had disappeared a great heat set in so that the people in this place could hardly stand it. But when the sun had set they perceived so sweet a perfume as if they were in a garden of roses. By this time they were all plunged in perturbation. Whereupon the epidemic set in in Thuringia in many places.16

Further south, in Vienna: plague, and of these, indeed, several were observed last autumn.17

Direct from the plague-ravaged town of Eisleben, we get this amusing and perhaps exaggerated newspaper account published on September 1, 1682:

In the cemetary of Eisleben on the 6th inst. [?] at night the following incident was noticed: When during the night the gravediggers were hard at work digging trenches, for on many days between eighty and ninety have died, they suddenly observed that the cemetary church, more especially the pulpit, was lighted up by bright sunshine. But on their going up to it so deep a darkness and black, thick fog came over the graveyard that they could hardly see one another, and which they took to be an evil omen. Thus day and night gruesome evil spirits are seen frightening the people, goblins grinning at them and pelting them, but also many white ghosts and spectres .. .18

The same newspaper story later adds: When Magister Hardte expired in his agony a blue smoke was seen to rise from his throat, and this in the presence of the dean; the same has been observed in the case of others expiring. In the same manner blue smoke has been observed to rise from the gables of
houses at Eisleben all the inhabitants of which have died. In the church of St. Peter blue smoke has been observed high up near the ceiling; on this account the church is shunned, particularly as the parish has been exterminated.19

The "mists" or Plague poisons were thick enough to mix with normal air moisture and become part of the morning dew. People were warned to take the following precautions:

If newly baked bread is placed for the night at the end of a pole and in the morning is found to be mildewed and internally grown green, yellow and uneatable, and when thrown to fowls and dogs causes them to die from eating it, in a similar manner if fowls drink the morning dew and die in consequence, then the plague poison is near at hand.20

As noted earlier, lethal "mists" were directly associated with bright moving lights in the sky. Other sources for the stenches were also reported. For example, Forestus Alcmarianos wrote of a monstrous "whale" he had encountered which was:

28 ells [105 feet] in length and 14 ells [33 feet] broad which, coming from the western sea, was thrown upon the shore of Egemont by great waves and was unable to reach the open again; it produced so great a foulness and malignity of the air that very soon a great epidemic broke out in Egemont and neighborhood.21

It is a shame that Mr. Alcmarianos did not provide a more detailed description of the deadly whale because it may have been a craft similar to modern UFOs which have been observed entering and leaving bodies of water. On the other hand, Mr. Alcmarianos' whale may have been just that: a dead rotting whale which happened to wash up on shore just before a nearby outbreak of the Plague.

It is significant that foul mists and bad air were blamed for many other epidemics in history. During a plague in ancient Rome, the famous physician Hippocrates (ca. 460-337 B.C.) stated that the disease was caused by body disturbances brought on by changes in the atmosphere. To remedy this, Hippocrates had people build large public bonfires. He believed that large fires would set the air aright. Hippocrates' advice was followed centuries later by physicians during the medieval Plague.
Modern doctors take a dim view of Hippocrates' advice on this matter, however, in the belief that Hippocrates was ignorant about the true causes of plague. In reality, huge outdoor bonfires were the only conceivable defense against the Plague if it was indeed caused by germ-saturated aerosols.

Vaccines to combat the Plague had not been invented and so the people's only hope was to burn away the deadly "mists" with fire. Hippocrates and those who followed his advice may have actually saved some lives.

Significantly, bubonic and pneumonic plagues were not the only infectious diseases in history to be spread on strange lethal fogs. The deadly intestinal disease, cholera, was another:

When cholera broke out on board Her Majesty's ship Britannia in the Black Sea in 1854, several officers and men asserted positively that, immediately prior to the outbreak, a curious dark mist swept up from the sea and passed over the ship. The mist had barely cleared the vessel when the first case of disease was announced.22

Blue mists were also reported in connection with the cholera outbreaks of 1832 and 1848-1849 in England.

As mentioned earlier, plagues had a very strong religious significance. In the Bible, plagues were said to be Jehovah's method of punishing people for evil. "Omens" preceding outbreaks of the Black Death resembled many of the "omens" reported in the Bible:

Men confronted with the terror of the Black Death were impressed by the chain of events leading up to the final plague, and accounts of the coming of the 14th-century pestilence selected from among all the ominous events that must have occurred in the years preceding the outbreak of 1348 those which closely resemble the ten plagues of Pharoah: disruptions in the atmosphere, storms, unusual invasions of insects, celestial phenomena.23

In addition, the Bubonic form of plague was very similar, if not identical, to some of the punishments inflicted by "God" in the Old Testament:

[I]But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon the people
of Ashdod [a Philistine city], and he destroyed them,
and killed them with emerods [painful swellings].
1 SAMUEL 5:6

... the hand of the Lord was against the city [Gath,
another Philistine city] with a very great destruction:
and he killed the men of the city, both young and old,
and they had emerods in their secret parts.
1 SAMUEL 5:9

... there was a deadly destruction throughout all the
city; the hand of God was very heavy there.
And the men that survived were afflicted with the
emerods: and the crying of the city went up to heaven.
1 SAMUEL 5:11-12

The religious aspect of the medieval Black Death was enhanced by reports of thundering sounds in connection with outbreaks of the Plague. The sounds were similar to those described in the Bible as accompanying the appearance of Jehovah. Interestingly, they are also sounds common to some UFO sightings:

During the plague of 1565 in Italy rumblings of thunder were heard day and night, as in a war, together with the turmoil and noise as of a mighty army. In Germany in many places a noise was heard as if a hearse were passing through the streets of its own accord...24

Similar noises accompanied strange aerial phenomena in remarkable Plague-related sightings from England. The object described in the quote below remained visible for over a week and does appear to be a true comet or planet (such as Venus); however, some of the other objects can only be labeled "unidentified." Historian Walter George Bell, drawing on writings from the period, summarized:

Late into dark December nights of the year 1664 London citizens sat up to watch a new blazing star, with "mighty talk" thereupon. King Charles II and his Queen gazed out of the windows at Whitehall. About east it rose, reaching no great altitude, and sank below the south-west horizon between two and three o'clock. In a week or two it was gone, then letters came from Vienna notifying the like sight of a brilliant comet, and "in the ayr [air] the appearance of a Coffin, which causes great anxiety of thought amongst the people."

Erfurt saw with it other terrible apparitions, and listeners detected noises in the air, as of fires, and sounds of cannon and musket-shot. The report ran that one night in the February following hundreds of persons had seen flames of fire for an hour together, which seemed to be thrown from Whitehall to St. James and then back again to Whitehall, whereafter they disappeared.

In March there came into the heavens a yet brighter comet visible two hours after midnight, and so continuing till daylight. With such ominous portents the Great Plague in London was ushered in.25

Other less frequent "omens" were also reported in connection with the Black Death. Some of those phenomena were obvious fictions. Significantly, the fictions were not widespread and were rarely reported outside of the communities in which they originated.

The preceding quotes provide evidence that UFOs (i.e. the Custodial society) have bombarded the human race with deadly diseases. This evidence is particularly intriguing when we consider claims made by a number of modern UFO contactees who say that they are relaying messages to mankind from the UFO society. Some of them claim that UFOs are here to help mankind and that UFOs will eradicate disease on Earth. The UFO civilization reportedly has no disease. If the Custodial civilization is indeed so healthy, perhaps it is only because it is not bombarding itself with germ weapons. If UFOs truly intended to bring health to the human race, maybe all they needed to do was to stop spraying infectious biological agents into the air.

The Black Death not only killed a great many people, it also caused deep psychological and social wounds. People in the past were convinced that the epidemics were God's punishment for sin, and this caused deep introversion. It was natural for people to accuse themselves and their neighbors of wickedness and to wonder what they had done to "deserve" their punishment. It rarely occurred
to the victims that plagues, even if deliberately inflicted, had nothing to do with trying to make human beings more virtuous. After all, the social and psychological effects of the Plague produced the opposite result. The misery and despair generated by the massive death tolls brought about widespread ethical decay. In a dying environment, many people will no longer care about whether their actions are right or wrong; they are going to die anyway. In the fearful climate of the medieval Plague, spiritual values noticably declined and mental aberration sharply increased.
The same results are observed during war. Although the Bible and other religious works may preach that plagues and wars are created by "God" to ultimately make the human race more virtuous and spiritually advanced, the effect is always the opposite.(…); pages 180-193)

At the end, there is another “phenomenon” which may need an urgent contemplation and that is – how come that after ages of being exposed to this sort of the manipulation, we are still unable to perceive it and to understand it, let alone doing something meaningful about that?! And, yet, one can see that the same principles have been applied then and now. Is there a possibility that we have been programmed to think and behave, as we do? I guess that John Keel did not call us by a chance – “bio-chemical robots”, or Gurdjieff – “machines, unable to do anything consciously and indecently”, or Castaneda – “foreign installations”, or Carlo Collodi – “pinocchios”, or James Mahu – the “functional implants”…?! If we were real human beings, which means – humane, conscientious, awake and aware, nobody would be able to expose us to such a sort of manipulation. So, who or what we are? Is there a possibility to overcome this state of our unconsciousness and see the reality objectively, as it is, which would enable us to interact with it, in an optimal manner?

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[Hervé]

With the appearance of "Floating Dragons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor)" and bright lights illuminating the nights as if daylight was on... comets, meteoroids and bolides along with their accompanying "dust particles" and "Panspermia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia)" also comes to mind... so that, in the end, there is quite a "soup (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102647-Controversial-but-Simple-Experiment-Exposing-Chemtrails-Everyone-Can-Do-&p=1242140&viewfull=1#post1242140)" of many ingredients that's hanging up there.

[xylo]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


Some of the checkerboards are simple artefacts of flight patterns. In very heavily travelled skies, where planes are flying in different directions it's not surprising that grid type patterns occur. And the skies have seen remarkably increased traffic. I'm more concerned about the pollution they generate.

"The aviation industry has seen dramatic growth over the past 20 years, with passenger numbers rising from 1.467 billion in 1998 to 3.979 billion in 2017."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2018/10/24/iata-raises-20-year-projections-to-8-2-billion-passengers-warns-against-protectionism/#3f3414f2150f

In North America, other than the Denver Colorado airport, no new major airports have been built, to my knowledge. Imagine the potential for pattern generation around these mega airport hubs.

When I was studying the checker-boarded sky and comparing it with known commercial flight paths over western MA a few years ago, I couldn’t find a match. There are relatively few flights over that region. When I asked our state representative, Elizabeth Warren about the trails we were seeing, I got no response, twice. Then I posted about that on FB and boom within hours, there was a response from Warren. A stern ridiculing reprimand for harboring “dangerous thoughts.” I don’t know what all this means, just an anecdote.

[Nick Matkin]

Just a thought about chequerboard patterns.

There wouldn't be much point spraying in a defined pattern at that altitude as it would soon spread and disperse. It's not as if it will have a defined effect like low-level crop spraying. So why do deliberate chequerboard 'spraying' over a defined area?

If spraying is happening (and where's it all being made, transported and by whom?) it can be done anywhere as all the chemicals will spread for thousands of miles before falling and being rained out. Why not do it over the sea where hardly anyone will notice?

Surely a more plausible reason for the grid (and has anyone actually seen planes toing and froing forming a deliberate grid?) would be for some sort of civilian or military surveying.

[Ratszinger]

I really didn't buy into it until I read a Q post or maybe a tweet but whatever it was it said president Trump stopped chemtrails. I thought oh yeah right! But honestly I haven't seen them over OK like before and it was bad before. In fact I haven't seen any since reading that to be perfectly honest and for what it is worth my wife was having severe problems with arthritis like swollen joints, red and they ached her terribly in her hands and knuckles. It began to deform her right hand some and she is right handed yet each test said she didn't have this and didn't have this either and no it's not that it must be Osteo and back and forth and then I read that about Trump, haven't seen any since and now my wife's hands are not red or swollen anymore, they are getting better looking everyday that goes by and she is doing needle work and bead work again! So you tell me. Is it just my imagination or does anyone else know of this because she didn't take anything? The doctors didn't help they just billed her.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I could look it up, but I am confident about the facts to recount from memory.

Certain particulates remain in the upper atmosphere for many years before falling back to earth. So if these aerosols being sprayed are of that type, then once a certain load is dumped into the stratosphere and higher, they can remain in suitable concentrations without additional loading...that might be why there seems to be less spraying.

Like the cancers that followed in the seventies, after all the nuclear bomb testing in the fifties and sixties (when the radioactive particulates began falling back to earth), chemtrails might be reaching the active level of concentrations that were perhaps the reason for the spraying to start with.

I place this here because although this thread is about not supporting the chemtrail evidence, it seems to be about the opposite, proving or testing the rationale of chemtrails in general. This seems to be the most plausible scenario: ensuring a certain concentration of metal ions in the troposphere...

[Nick Matkin]

I could look it up, but I am confident about the facts to recount from memory.

Certain particulates remain in the upper atmosphere for many years before falling back to earth. So if these aerosols being sprayed are of that type, then once a certain load is dumped into the stratosphere and higher, they can remain in suitable concentrations without additional loading...that might be why there seems to be less spraying.

Like the cancers that followed in the seventies, after all the nuclear bomb testing in the fifties and sixties (when the radioactive particulates began falling back to earth), chemtrails might be reaching the active level of concentrations that were perhaps the reason for the spraying to start with.

I place this here because although this thread is about not supporting the chemtrail evidence, it seems to be about the opposite, proving or testing the rationale of chemtrails in general. This seems to be the most plausible scenario: ensuring a certain concentration of metal ions in the troposphere...

That still doesn't explain why they would spray in a chequerboard pattern.

Sorry to be a bore, but could someone produce some real evidence and just stop messing about? To repeat a previous post:


Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:

Get a sample for independent analysis
Find where it's being made
Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.


That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...

Indeed, why is this basic research taking so long?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I understand what you require. Still, that documented effort is a long way off.

Once the aircraft deposit the particulates, they still need to be moved higher. Checkerboard pattern would ensure the optimum penetration of a high energy beam, imparting the most energy possible into the particulate cloud. The higher energy would push them even higher up in the atmosphere, into the ionosphere...

[petra]

...Then I posted about that on FB and boom within hours, there was a response from Warren. A stern ridiculing reprimand for harboring “dangerous thoughts.” I don’t know what all this means, just an anecdote.

I've often wondered, if "thought forms" have any kind of tangible substance we can detect. I mean, wouldn't it be funny if her accusation of "dangerous thoughts" turned out to be the literal source of the chemtrails? Then again, maybe there's no such thing as chemtrails or thoughtforms.

[Nick Matkin]

I understand what you require. Still, that documented effort is a long way off.

Once the aircraft deposit the particulates, they still need to be moved higher. Checkerboard pattern would ensure the optimum penetration of a high energy beam, imparting the most energy possible into the particulate cloud. The higher energy would push them even higher up in the atmosphere, into the ionosphere...

A "high energy beam" (presumably some sort of electromagnetic radiation) cannot be created without detection. Any particles affected by radio waves must be a proportion of a wavelength long, and even at microwaves this is a cm or two, so will soon float down to the ground. Dust-type particles must be very dense for radio waves to have any effect on them.

Any beam strong enough to affect the weather would be so immensely powerful that all sorts of professional and amateur radio detecting equipment from ELF right up to microwaves would easily detect this, probably even saturating the measuring and detection equipment hundreds of miles away! (Radio signals 30dB below the noise are routinely detected by hobbyists these days.)

Every time HAARP operates (whatever anyone suspects it's for) is easily detectable for thousands of miles, I've even listened on a standard SW radio in the UK to its 5 MHz signals from Alaska!

In any case, radio energy does not affect the troposphere - we've had nearly 100 years to confirm that.

[Ernie Nemeth]

You know your stuff. As far as the size of particles goes, it is not the size but the electrical properties that count. If they are neutral then there will be no effect. But most compounds break down in the atmosphere into ions by the sun's rays and earth's magnetic field.

Also, the spraying is an aerosol - a mixture of air with the compounds, for the express purpose of creating small particulates in the micron range.

It may have been Haarp. But it also could be other things - like ELF, although now I'm reaching...or they could be propelled by natural electrical forces and induction that we don't yet understand.

[WhiteFeather]

Rosalind Peterson was a pioneer in the Chemtrail subject IMO. I've watched and listened to most of her media. With that said, Yes I truly believe we are continually being sprayed without a doubt.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Alex Jones talks about weather control. 12 mins long.

https://www.infowars.com/watch/?video=5d74282b95e4380013295f0e

[Sue (Ayt)]

Thought I'd post Miles Mathis' take on the chemtrail subject. He takes it down to a simple explanation of greed and corruption with disregard for consequences. Just another theory for our consideration.


I have been looking briefly into Chemtrails, and it looks to me like the whole “bio-engineering” line is a ruse. There are some bio-engineering tests going on—cloud seeding and the like—but most trails have nothing to do with that. It appears to me that we simply have an increased amount of air-dumping of pollutants that can't be dumped on the ground. To see what I mean, remember that they have been doing a similar thing with fluoride since the 1940's. With increased aluminum, fertilizer, and weapons manufacturing, they had a lot fluoride waste that they couldn't just dump in rivers or in the oceans. Laws were already on the books forbidding it. So someone had the “brilliant” idea of putting it into the drinking water in small amounts. This would effectively dilute it on a nationwide level. The toxicity would be low enough to go unnoticed in most people in the short term, and a profit could even be made by selling it to municipalities as a dentrifice.

Well, they are doing the same thing in the air now. Due to increased manufacturing of all things toxic (think computer industry, for a start), they now have a whole smorgasbord of noxious chemicals that can't legally be dumped on land or at sea. So someone had the “brilliant” idea of diluting this toxicity by mixing these chemicals into the worldwide air. It would then rain down on the land in such small quantities per square foot we would see little short-term effects. The stirring of the atmosphere would naturally dissipate the initial release, and the ground would soak up the rest.

Unfortunately, this plan was even more foolhardy than the fluoride plan, for many reasons. One, because they have to use existing plane routes as dump routes, they cannot dump only over uninhabited regions. It is simply not cost effective to hire special dump planes, so they use planes already in the air for other reasons—including commercial jets. Since there are not enough commercial jets on paths over the oceans (international flights) to dump all that needs to be dumped, many dumps are over inhabited areas. The dissipation from winds is not enough to spread the chemicals over a wide enough area, so the concentrations hitting the ground are way too high. The planes would have to be flying many miles higher than they are to do that, and again that is not cost effective. It would delay commercial flights and require an explanation, so it is not done. And finally, the ground does not “soak up” this contamination. It goes immediately into surface and ground water, into crops, gardens, and lawns, and into the oceans. Even in the oceans it is not harmless, since the given flight paths ensure it goes into coastal areas, where it is driven back on beaches. In short, it is a disaster.
LINK On Chemtrails and other topics (http://mileswmathis.com/chem2.pdf)

[Billy]

Rosalind Peterson was a pioneer in the Chemtrail subject IMO. I've watched and listened to most of her media. With that said, Yes I truly believe we are continually being sprayed without a doubt.

Here is Rosalind Peterson sharing her research. I am afraid there are Lots of adds in the video.

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[Ratszinger]

I never really believed the conspiracy theories on this until Trump was elected. Without one doubt I can say that our skies in Oklahoma have been clearer and bluer without contrails all over since Trump was elected. It is not the same sky that was overhead when Barry was prez. This is without doubt and no one can tell us otherwise. I remember those skies and have videos of it. It's not been like that since Trump. No where near that at all actually. This to me was more convincing than all the years of seeing them. The disappearance act of contrails is more obvious to me than when they snuck up on everyone.

[Stealthy Monk]

Here is a 60-second video showing the trail behind an aircraft sopping, starting, stopping, mid-flight. Condensation trails don't do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxqfeJ22pw

[Nick Matkin]

Here is a 60-second video showing the trail behind an aircraft sopping, starting, stopping, mid-flight. Condensation trails don't do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxqfeJ22pw

Yes they do when aircraft are flying in or near the boundary layer of differing humidities and/or temperatures.

[Kalamos]

https://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/

For info on contrail gaps.

[avid]

Nick Matkin, you are a perpetual ‘grounder’ of panic folks, however, visually vibrating skies (never ever happened until early 80’s here in UK), weather modification, etc is proven for years now. This makes folk watch out for weather pattern anomalies, and sure enough many times the ‘vibrating skies’ (observing military installations utilising Nexrad) to ensure weather anomalies to benefit or suffer are being ‘followed by the money’.
Exacting forecasting is amazing, as nature is fickle, unless ‘manipulated’. So, who ‘owns’ the weather these days, and why are droughts/floods escalating?
Don’t even say it’s ‘climate change’, as whomsoever is proliferating disaster is capitalising on implacable global circumstances from the cosmos.

[Stealthy Monk]

Here is a 60-second video showing the trail behind an aircraft sopping, starting, stopping, mid-flight. Condensation trails don't do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxqfeJ22pw

Yes they do when aircraft are flying in or near the boundary layer of differing humidities and/or temperatures.

I've never seen it in my life, and I spent my first few decades watching aircraft as an enthusiast. The trails in that video are an abrupt stop/start, intelligence tells us humidity or temperature is not divided by abrupt boundaries, something else is at play here.

[TomKat]

My own provisional thoughts and questions:


The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)



Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.

But:


I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?


I see them most days, but especially when a weather front is coming in. They seem to be able to extend the cloud cover. I've also FREQUENTLY watched them build a 100% sunny day into an overcast day, even with a little precipitation. They start on the outskirts of the city and then build inward -- unfortunately, they frequently don't build from the direction of the airport. I've watched 2 small planes at the same height go from horizon to horizon, then turn off the spray, come back and spray parallel lines. I've also seen, amid the persisting chemtrails, regular airliners putting out contrails that DO disappear quickly. Anybody in the US who wants to know the truth but doesn't is just too lazy to bother -- or doesn't really want to know.

[Caliban]

I don't think this has been posted yet. One of Dane Wigington's, Nashville in December. Obviously, U.S. military planes spewing out this garbage.

Hard to refute this. How could people be so blind?

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[Andre]

I don't know how many times over the years I have observed so called "contrails" spread across the sky and over the course of several hours, turn into a complete haze as far as the eye can see. I can't see how water vapor can do that without substantial chemical input. And it does NOT turn to rain. Just haze. I've seen it over and over.

[Nick Matkin]

https://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/

For info on contrail gaps.

Good post Kalamos. But you risk being accused of being part of the cover-up if you post sensible science-based explanations. The trouble is the "panic folks" don't want a sensible explanation, they only want their fears/beliefs to be confirmed.

So - who has a link to a serious amateur meteorologists group confirming evidence of chemtrails? Amateur scientists exist to discover new phenomena and expose misdoings. I'm surprised they've not been shouting loudly about this. Maybe the tens of thousands of them all around the world have been paid off or threatened into silence. Just like the tens of thousands of serious amateur astronomers who have been silenced regarding the existence of Nibiru...

[AutumnW]

it's pretty much nonsense. But its great for distracting people from problems that really matter, like anthropogenic climate change, homelessness. As the rivers dry up, plants and animals die enmasse they will be standing in the middle of parched fields looking up. So, so easily maniupulated. But if some nut on youtube claims its true, it must be.

[IChingUChing]

"With the jet engines of nowadays it's almost impossible to form a persistent contrail. You need unique atmospheric conditions for that. First, the airplane needs to be above 30,000 feet. The temperatures have to be below minus 40 degrees Celsius, and you have to have a relative air humidity of 67 percent. But that's hardly ever the case. So what you see today, with the whole spectrum from the horizon filled with contrails from planes flying at different altitudes, is impossible. That's science. So there must be another reason for it." - Willem Felderhof, former KLM pilot

[IChingUChing]

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A former KLM pilot, Willem Felderhof, is interviewed by Richie Allen about chemtrails and geoengineering.

[Nick Matkin]

Well in that case this must be one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated. With thousands of people making, transporting (without the any vehicles ever crashing) and loading the product. Not to mention all the dedicated planes being piloted, flown and serviced across the world to do this. If it's in commercial jet fuel, I'm surprised the service engineers don't notice the residue or damage it must cause. Or how it's never picked up by labs routinely testing jet fuel, or never spotted being added to jet fuel after testing.

Is it being sprayed from separate tanks in commercial airliners? If so there's the problem of weight; pilots and airport Load Control need to know the weight of the cargo. Are they all in on it too? Are commercial airlines really going to replace fare-paying passengers with tanks of chemical sprays?

If it's sprayed by dedicated aircraft, where do they all take off and land from - especially in Europe where population density means you can't hide even a military airbase. Where are the factories making this stuff? Who is transporting the raw materials and the finished product?

Some days the 'chemtrails' are so dense I should be brushing the fallout off my car, but that's never happened. Guess I'm just lucky...

[IChingUChing]

Personally I would love them all to be contrails. I certainly take your points about logistics, etc and they are very valid points. All these questions I have asked myself too. Still, if what Willem Felderhof says is true i.e. that the necessary conditions for the appearance of persistent contrails are extremely rarely then the question must be asked why virtually daily they are visible in our skies. Has he got his science wrong?
Then of course there really are patents for weather modification so it is possible.
Plus there are videos like the one of the head of CIA talking about solar radiation management which I will post below.
Also I wonder about things like Dale's from Geoengineeringwatch measurements of aluminium content in snow and water above the snowline. I understand it shouldn't be there and it is certainly concerning that it is.
I see all these as concerning and valid points which need addressing even if it would appear that logistically such an operation would appear impossible or implausable.

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Short video where CIA Director States "Interest" In Geoengineering Programs Like (SAI) Stratospheric Aerosol Injection

[Nick Matkin]

Weather modification - attempts and experiments at least - have been going on for decades. We know this, but this is not evidence of chemtrails. Anyway, surely chemtrailing could be done at sea or over sparsely-populated areas or only done in areas where there is cloud cover where it wouldn't be spotted.

Like I said before, let's see what some serious amateur meteorologists (not the professionals cos they'll have been 'got at' - obviously!) have got to say about this.

What doesn't help is when various officials discuss possible geo-engineering strategies that are taken out of context and used as "proof". It's not proof. It's little more than thinking aloud.

When the fallout hits the ground in such concentrations suggested by the number of chemtrails on some days, surely any decent high school lab would be able to detect it. When it is "detected" has industrial pollution been ruled out? Aluminium is a frequent pollutant in areas with acid rain simply because it's a very abundant element in the earth. All the other chemicals that are claimed constituents have to be obtained from somewhere. Where? And by whom?

In my opinion there are just too many inconsistencies and gaps in logic for this to be genuine. For example, who knows someone who knows someone involved with any of the logistics of this? There must be hundreds if not thousands involved in the manufacturing and transportation alone! Then there's all those who must be involved with it in the aero industry.

I've asked these and similar questions before. They never get answered.

[silvanelf]

In my opinion there are just too many inconsistencies and gaps in logic for this to be genuine. For example, who knows someone who knows someone involved with any of the logistics of this? There must be hundreds if not thousands involved in the manufacturing and transportation alone! Then there's all those who must be involved with it in the aero industry.

I've asked these and similar questions before. They never get answered.

Your question is quite silly. Have you ever heard the words "chemical engineering"??

I chose barium titanate as an example, because it is mentioned quite often in reference to chemtrails.


Barium titanate is an inorganic compound with chemical formula BaTiO3. Barium titanate appears white as a powder and is transparent when prepared as large crystals. It is a ferroelectric ceramic material that exhibits the photorefractive effect and piezoelectric properties. It is used in capacitors, electromechanical transducers and nonlinear optics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_titanate


What about logistics? Just look for "barium titanate powder supplier" ...


Barium titanate Application

1 Mainly used for the preparation of electronic ceramics, PTC thermistors, capacitors and other electronic components .

2 Widely used in the electronics industry, can be used to manufacture non-linear element, an amplifier medium, a computer memory device, but also a lower volume is small, the mini-capacitors capacitance is large. Materials and other components of the ultrasonic generator is also used to make.

Barium titanate Packaging and Shipping

25 kg/BAG

https://www.haihangindustry.com/api/barium-titanate-cas-12047-27-7.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiAmZDxBRDIARIsABnkbYRKwbdFrQi16t2VtcUoJLaq8vTXcHLf9HuqbR8VfUPV6fJRpEaHmV0aAmZLEAL w_wcB

[ArtyCarl]

The problem, as I see it, is that people are assuming that the proliferation of chemtrails MUST be harmful to us, this is the shadowy government experimenting with us...but my own take on it is this...there were many atomic tests in the atmosphere (and above).

What if the spraying of chemicals was in some way connected to these tests and the resulting fallout...the accumulation of heavy metals might indeed come from the original tests (or the subsequent steps to eradicate the effects) and somehow the spraying is an attempt to dissipate this without declaring to the world that they f**ked up and have poisoned the planet.

Could that also be one of the reasons that the planet appears to have deteriorated so very quickly....then introduce global warming to the population and soon people are blaming themselves for the state of the planet. Sounds like a cunning plan.

[AutumnW]

"Willem was one of the first people in the commercial aviation industry to speak out about the presence of toxic nerve gas (and this has been scientifically documented) and other dangerous noxious volatile organic compounds entering the cabin through the air-conditioning systems in modern airplanes. Not only are we subjected to civil rights violations and vast quantities of radiation before boarding planes, people flying often are treated to a cocktail of poisons, the trillion pound industry hides."

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article--if you can download it-- http://www.dutchanarchy.com/former-dutch-green-beret-european-nationalist-willem-felderhof-discusses-hollands-immigration-crisis/

[AutumnW]

I have a good friend who was a large commercial craft engineer who developed chronic fatigue syndrome. He was pretty sure it had to do with the spraying of pesticides inside the craft on a routine basis. Yes, this is common procedure and for sure, it can make people really sick and in that respect Felderhof (if this is what he's referring to) he could be totally correct but...it has nothing to do with chemtrails.

[Nick Matkin]

@silvanelf

Yes, barium titanate has many uses, and is easily available. But I suspect the quantities needed for chemtrails (plus any other chemicals used) will leave quite an audit trail.

Like I said, where and by whom is all this stuff being bought, transported, used, distributed? Any why am I not brushing it off my car after "intense chemtrail spraying days"?

These chemical residues must be everywhere. Easily detected and in significant quantities. In our food, water, soil. Compare modern analysis of these substances with archived measurements taken decades ago and the compare results. That should be fairly easy to do if there's a co-ordinated, international attempt by sympathetic scientists. Evidence gathered, job done.

[TomKat]

Well in that case this must be one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.

Yes, it is a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy to separate the people who stay indoors on their computers from people who actually go outside and LOOK. It's not so hard, really. Try it.

[James]

Yes. I 100% doubt there is a national, or international, arial spraying program going on. I doubt there ever has been, as well.

I won’t list the reasons why I believe this, as anyone with Google can collect the evidence, but I will add how I come to my conclusions on matters such as these.

Is there good evidence for aerial spraying? Yes. Not very much, when you actually go to shake the tree, but yes, there are a handful of good pieces of fruit.

This, however, is not how things work in the real world, as if so, a compelling argument would be all the prosecutor needs to convict literally anyone of anything. A few good pieces of evidence with no context or understanding do not quantify a just case in court. We need to hear from the defendant.

And the defendant in this case has vastly more good evidence against there being arial spraying, or “chem trails.” Before I believe evidence, even good evidence, for or against something, I look to see the facts of the other side, and the context by which these facts hang in.

[ExomatrixTV]

Rogue A.I. (Alexa) Tells Truth About Chemtrails April 2018
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'Rogue A.I.' Alexa Tells Truth About Chemtrails? April 2018 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102369-Rogue-A.I.-Alexa-Tells-Truth-About-Chemtrails-April-2018)

[Tangri]

If you would you like to find if it is true, you should chose to think "if it is true why it is happening?"

Little clue: You need a light source to see

Day time sun does help us to see, night time artificial lights subsidise sun, for seeing.

Lizard brains solved night issue with 180 degrees emission, even though light sources with emissions containing blue light may cause eye damage. You can not see anything, if it's CRI (Color Rendering Index) out side of 65- 95 with new lightnings .
If you will find "the truth" , it won't be with word to word hearing or reading, you need to diggest your knowledge first.

[Kalamos]

Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Xx117fy10

[Sue (Ayt)]

Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Xx117fy10

Whoa! Mandela Effect! (not really - just joking)

I do remember straight thin contrails like that, even as a child. Maybe not quite so long, but there were always contrails. They would disappear at the far end, following along behind the plane. It is the huge, spewing, multi-spewed wide trails that seem to spread and NOT disappear, even long after the plane is gone, that have appeared more recently. I cannot say what these are, but I remember first observing them around 2003(?).

[TomKat]

I think this thread is about dead. Should it continue, I propose we confine it to personal observation. That's a contribution. 3rd- or 10th-hand speculation isn't really, not in a subject where direct observation is so easily acquired.

[WhiteFeather]

IMO,This video is without a doubt some good evidence/ proof from now deceased, retired u.s. governmental agriculturist in rosalind peterson.

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[TomKat]

I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture I just took, so I made it my Avatar. Full moon, surrounded by a pentagon of chemtrails. Just an average day in North America! Go outside and look, people!

[RunningDeer]

I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture I just took, so I made it my Avatar. Full moon, surrounded by a pentagon of chemtrails. Just an average day in North America! Go outside and look, people!
It's the best I can do with a small snapshot of a photo. (TomKat's avatar)


https://i.imgur.com/KGOFdsN.jpg

[Denise/Dizi]

Chemtrails, do I still believe in them? The short answer is yes. In fact I saw some the other day that caught my attention, to the point where I found myself snapping yet another photo of them.

Do I believe they could be used for any of the nefarious purposes listed all over the internet? Of course they could, and many many more.. A few that crossed my mind were

Cooling of the planet, from the extra rays the sun may be producing,
Satellite evasion techniques,
Communication tools,
Advance cloaking capabilities,
bioengineering, geoengineering,
vaccinations from biological and or chemical warfare, or even possibly biological or chemical warfare testing... with inert things..

if I could come up with these reasons for doing such things you can bet DARPA has as well..
and the list goes on...

What we don't know for sure if WHICH one of these things are on the menu when they're doing this. Perhaps they're trying to keep our communications local, we really don't know. But the fact remains those "Streams of lines" keep appearing, even as recently as last week in my area. A huge X directly over the street I was walking on.

We already know that they use fires to move equipment. Plumes of smoke provide cover for equipment movements from satellite detection.. We know they stage accidents, trigger mud slides, all in efforts to rearrange their arms and weapons systems... they trigger storms, Why wouldn't they use the large canvas above us for possibly any or ALL of these things? I have seen some things in the sky that made me laugh.. I can say I no longer fear them... and that is all I want to publicly say about that.

It isn't that our government wants to harm us, (Lets hope), as much as we know that if we can do it, so can others, so we better prepare for any eventuality. But lets hope, since we have failed to stop them? That those who approved this, knew that whatever damage they could cause would also befall their families. That is the one thought that helps me to sleep at night when I see such things.. Those dropping them are also affected by them, so there better be a good reason for doing it.

I suppose for once I want to see the brighter side of something I do not understand. But they're definitely there and they're not natural.

[WhiteFeather]

Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Xx117fy10

Whoa! Mandela Effect! (not really - just joking)

I do remember straight thin contrails like that, even as a child. Maybe not quite so long, but there were always contrails. They would disappear at the far end, following along behind the plane. It is the huge, spewing, multi-spewed wide trails that seem to spread and NOT disappear, even long after the plane is gone, that have appeared more recently. I cannot say what these are, but I remember first observing them around 2003(?).

They took movies and added in the chemtrails, I'm highly serious. Read this comment from that video you posted, below.

"I assume since it has been uploaded to the tube that it is a copy and not a certified true original taken from an original VHS or BETA tape? It appears to be high definition. Lots of cuts to make the scene. Notice the difference in the sky between shots. It is easy to manipulate a digitized version of a movie. Creates a sense of normality doesn't it. Now do keep in mind that airplane pollution trails were indeed in question in the 70's leading to lawsuits that would eventually see the conversion of commercial fleets to using High Bypass Turbo Fan engines that do not produce contrails unless very rare and specific conditions are met."

HrlwFo-_P1c

[Richter]

Chemtrails Exposed
April 11, 2021
By Peter A. Kirby

The following is the complete first chapter from the author’s book Chemtrails Exposed: A New Manhattan Project. Feel free to copy and share generously!

According to all relevant United States federal government organizations, chemtrails do not exist and are a conspiracy theory. They say the white lines in the sky stretching from horizon to horizon are normal jet contrails. They add that these emissions are nothing but harmless water vapor. So, they are saying that this water vapor can first appear as white lines high in the sky then, over the course of hours, expand as it floats down to earth; first creating clouds and finally a haze. Folks, that’s not how water vapor behaves. That’s how particulate matter behaves.

Contrails (not to be confused with chemtrails) are visible jet airplane engine emissions resulting from the combustion of unadulterated fuel. Most of the time, jet airplane exhausts are invisible, but when unadulterated jet engine exhausts are introduced into an atmosphere of high humidity (over 70%) and low temperature (below -76 degrees F), a contrail forms. Contrails then quickly (under 10 seconds) disappear.

Chemtrails are a different animal. Chemtrails are jet airplane emissions which do not quickly dissipate and are not necessarily the product of engine exhausts. They are seen in the sky above our heads on a daily basis. They are the lines in the sky. Your subconscious knows them already. The word ‘chemtrail’ is an amalgamation of the words ‘chemical’ and ‘contrail.’ You could call chemtrails ‘chemical contrails’ or ‘chemical trails.’ The earliest mention of the word ‘chemtrail’ the author could find appears as the title of a 1990 U.S. Air Force Academy chemistry manual.

The word ‘chemtrail’ is recognized by the Oxford dictionary. It is defined as, “A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.”

The term ‘persistent contrail’ is often used to describe chemtrails, but this term is a politically correct oxymoron which the author uses only to condemn. The term creates confusion. Contrails do not persist. Chemtrails do. The earliest use of the term ‘persistent contrail’ known to the author appears in the 1970 proceedings of the Second National Conference on Weather Modification.

Lab tests of rainwater samples taken around the world have shown that chemtrails commonly consist of aluminum, barium and strontium. Further, as we will see in chapter 6, a world famous PhD scientist has come forward with rock-solid evidence that the substance commonly being sprayed is coal fly ash – a toxic waste.

CONTINUE: https://www.activistpost.com/2021/04/chemtrails-exposed-2.html

[Bo Atkinson]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-9A


https://legiscan.com/RI/text/H5135/2021


https://harvardmagazine.com/2013/07/buffering-the-sun


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0012821X87900033




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29 June 2016 | Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) Geoengineering
Link To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCP4x9dVvE4)Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXaZiQDGbVQ) “Another example is the array of technologies—often referred to collectively as geoengineering—that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun’s heat, in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.
An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. The process is also relatively inexpensive—the National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about $10 billion yearly.
As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community. On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.
On the geopolitical side, the technology’s potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions at the expense of others could trigger sharp opposition by some nations. Others might seize on SAI’s benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide reductions. And, as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI.”
Link To Source: (https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2016-speeches-testimony/director-brennan-speaks-at-the-council-on-foreign-relations.html)Remarks as Prepared for Delivery by Central Intelligence Agency Director John O. Brennan at the Council on Foreign Relations, Washington, DC



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INTERNATIONAL ASPECTS OF WEATHER MODIFICATION -1972

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Weather Modification – 1965

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FIRST PHOTO IDENTIFICATION IN CHINA OF ANTIAIRCRAFT ARTILLERY BEING USED IN A WEATHER MODIFICATION EFFORT -1976

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SURVEY OF WEATHER MODIFICATION – 1968

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U-2 SUPPORT FOR WEATHER MODIFICATION EXPERIMENTS; REQUEST FOR (Sanitized) – 1973

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RESEARCH ON WEATHER MODIFICATION – 1952

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U-2 Support for Weather Modification Experiments – 1973

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PROHIBITION OF GEOPHYSICAL MODIFICATION ACTIVITY AS A WEAPON OF WAR – 1972

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US-USSR WEATER MODIFICATION EXCHANGE – 1974

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THE WEATHER SERVICES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE SERVICES ADMINISTRATION – 1965

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Soviet Weather Control – 1959

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MICROLEPTON RADIATION’S EFFECTS ON WEATHER, HUMAN ORGANISM STUDIED. 1991

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RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS OF E.L. G LETTER TO W. A. S. 25 JANUARY 1956

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Environmental Modification – 1976

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Weather Support for Project OXCART – 1961

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Mission Responsibilities of the Weather Staff DPD – 1961

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Cold War May Spawn Weather-Control Race – 1998

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SUPPLEMENT TO HOST/TENANT SUPPORT AGREEMENT BETWEEN AIR FORCE FLIGHT TEST CENTER, EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE AND WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE – 1967

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ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR MAPPING, C 1966

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DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS OF THE ISSUE AND OPTIONS ON COMMERCIALIZING THE CIVIL WEATHER SATELLITES – 1982

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Part I Weather Support – 2011

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Modification Work Orders – 1963

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POWER PLANT ADDITION AND MODIFICATION AT(Sanitized) RECEIVER SITE – 1967

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PROJECT RAND: INQUIRY INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FROM A SATELLITE VEHICLE – 1951

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BASIC AUTHORITIES AND AGREEMENTS WHICH CIA HOLDS WITH USAF/NRO; RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE NRO ORGANIZATION – 1963

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CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS FOR MODIF. TO POWER PLANT & ELECTRICAL DIST. SYST.(Sanitized) (Sanitized) 1971

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS LETTER IS TO FURTHER PROVIDE YOU WITH THE DRIFT SIGHT TEST RESULTS TO DATE AND TO INDICATE A MODIFICATION PROGRAM WHICH WE WISH YOU TO FOLLOW IN CORRECTING THE DRIFT SIGHT MALFUNCTIONS. 1956

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MODIFICATION OF GENERAL PROVISIONS (STANDARD FORM 23-A – June 1964)

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JOINT ARMY NAVY INTELLIGENCE STUDY EUROPEAN U.S.S.R. CLIMATE AND WEATHER 1980

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ANALYTICAL SUMMARY: POSSIBLE INTERNATIONAL RESTRAINTS ON ENVIRONMENTAL WARFARE 1974

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SOVIETS PROVIDE NEW FUNCTIONS FOR POST WWII VINTAGE AA GUNS AND RADARS – 1976

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(Sanitized)EQUIPPED AIRCRAFT (Sanitized) FLIGHTS OVER THE BLACK-CASPIAN SEA AREA IN SUPPORT OF PROJECT OXCART – 1963

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Central Intelligence Bulletin – 1978

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Letter to George Bush from Claiborne Pell – 1976

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PROSPECTUS Travelers Weather Service – 1960

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NOTE TO CONGRESSIONAL LIAISON OFFICE FROM CLIFFORD P. CASE – 1978

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PROSPECTIVE SERIES OF SPEAKERS AND TOPICS FOR AUDITORIUM PROGRAMS (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp78-06215a000200010014-1)
Problems and His Environment Genetic Engineering The Continuing Impact of Technology Weather Modification … 1980
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JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp78m02660r000300060075-8)
Poll.’s (D., R.I.) Senate Foreign Relations Arms Control Subcommittee, on the subject of weather … modification review. He said Ruggles expects to be asked if CIA is involved. Harris said he has been in touch … 1976
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JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp73b00296r000100040006-1)
Propaganda broadcasts on rainmaking and weather modifications. I told him our people had made a thorough …1971

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JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp81m00980r000300020067-4)
Several documents to a follow-up his recent briefing on Soviet research in weather modifications. 1978

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JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp73b00296r000200050016-8)
For copies of North Vietnamese propaganda broadcasts on rainmaking and weather modifications. 1971
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[JackMcThorn]

I was stationed on a Gas Turbine powered Destroyer. It basically used the same engines in aviation as well as marine applications LM25oo General Electric x4 and the three electrical generators were the equivalent to a DC-10 aviation engine. When in operation it produced a bit of a black smoke/haze in the exhaust. My ship was originally built in the 196os. We had 2 helicopters on board that used JP-5 fuel. I recall in engineering that the fuel quality is absolutely mandatory to check for particulates and water. When we refueled the helos, the pilots check a fuel sample as well for particulates and water. Anything in the fuel that does not belong there is rejected and refueling does not occur.

Naval Aviation works on a particularly careful set of ground rules. All tools are returned to their place, ensuring no tool is left on the aircraft after maintenance. They are so careful to minimise any unnecessary risks what-so-ever.

Civilian aviation in the states particularly enjoys a near flawless conduct for decades. It is even expressed that flying was safer than driving a car. This is because the risk is mitigated by trained professionals who follow the best practises every single day.

What you are seeing is pollution. Until covid slowed down air travel, you were seeing increases in flights from major hubs contributing more pollution. Exhaust from any fossil-fueled engines is laden with chemicals and pollution that are not healthy.

In the 197os, cities were black and hazy due to heavy commuter traffic and the design of internal combustion engines not regulated to conform to any given standards. I remember driving into the big city in Boston as a kid and the haze was unbearable. I returned for a visit in 2oo9 and the air was perfectly clean. We've come a long way from those old 197os days.

Most of the places I've lived the air has been ideal. I find myself in Dublin and the air is great and the water reminds me of my best home water where I grew up in Massachusetts as a kid. Ireland has some of the best air and water quality and yet the politicians think they need to do more to this tiny country to keep up with climate change, when the largest protagonists are countries like the u.s., china, and india. Ireland has really done it's part as far as I'm concerned.

I think the simple answer is - exhaust from combustion engines is indeed pollution. These huge international airports account for increases in activity. There are many ships that use these aviation type engines at sea level with the nominal pollution from their exhaust without any sea level deviations in the realm of typical performance. These engines do not experience the temperature changes at altitude.

Every flight is carefully measuring in fuel and cargo weight restrictions. A gallon of water weighs 8.3 pounds. Think about that real hard and whether you are a person who travels lightly. Military traffic is obscure and even rare compared to civilian traffic.

The only aircraft I have seen with nozzles besides crop dusters is at aviation air shows. A little smoke [sometimes coloured] for the thrills.

[palehorse]

This video says something about it chemtrails, nano particles, smart dust, this stuffs is around since the 90's, despite the dude plays a lot in the video, the info seems to be okay.

M7QCVhltV4Y

My point of view, they are poisoning earth most populated places and food production areas like big commercial farms (i have no proof of it but these farms are usually located in a large area, one beside another) I am always reading news from Brazil and in many occasions I did read about people writing about planes every week on scheduled time flying above their farms and ranches, leaving behind long line in the sky, it was like 5 or 6 lines in parallel in the different times of the day well apart from each other, but in scheduled time every week, and they never knew what it was, people started saying it was chemtrail, and others saying it was smart dust, I am just the observer, I do not know what it really is, but I do know they want us sick, debilitated, dependent.. it is no mystery or theory of conspiracy anymore, it is a reality and anything coming from them, can't be good.

Answering the question of this thread, I do not doubt it, but I am afraid my knowledge on this issue is very poor to contribute with something more useful.

[gnostic9]

This is a video by Dave Cullen about chemtrailing,



https://zbbb278hfll091.bitchute.com/hybM74uIHJKf/DW920v00PlRR.mp4


Terry Lawton Site http://climatechangeagenda.com/




Love peace and joy to all!

[palehorse]

Found this short video on my stuffs early today.

Before vs After - Curtain chemical trail

https://ufile.io/2fvtg39m
(expire in 30 days)

[Ewan]

Found this short video on my stuffs early today.

Before vs After - Curtain chemical trail

https://ufile.io/2fvtg39m
(expire in 30 days)

I'm astonished that others cannot see this. Talk about denial!

I am currently living in a very wet area, Ireland has been drenched almost all year and every time there is a clear blue sky you can see these planes at a very high altitude laying down their trails that never dissipate - just spread...

[mojo]

I must admit around the year 2000 I didn't think Chemtrails existed and they were simply jet exhaust. Looking back I see how wrong this was. It must take a unified effort to spray these poisons around the World. Wouldnt that mean most Governments are complicit? But after the push for the poison Covid jab just about in every Country it doesnt seem to difficult anymore to send those poisons aloft. And maybe as some speculate there is some connection with Chem trails and the ingredients in the poison jab???

[Andre]

Surprise, surprise! An elderly, well known and respected activist in Australia who was a Qantas pilot for 30 years recently said chemtrails don't exist. (I would love to ask him how he thinks those "natural" trails suddenly turn-off and then turn-on again). Anyway, my point is that we've all seen so-called awakened folks like this just miss glaring examples of the control agenda. The covid experimental gene therapy jabs were a great example of this, and one that shocked a lot of us, I'm sure. How many times were we surprised to see people who we thought were awakened or at least more aware, go out and get the jab, sometimes multiple times.

Just goes to show, we don't all get everything, all the time!

[palehorse]

Found this short video on my stuffs early today.

Before vs After - Curtain chemical trail

https://ufile.io/2fvtg39m
(expire in 30 days)

I'm astonished that others cannot see this. Talk about denial!

I am currently living in a very wet area, Ireland has been drenched almost all year and every time there is a clear blue sky you can see these planes at a very high altitude laying down their trails that never dissipate - just spread...


Hi Ewan, I am glad you made a comment about your perception, because it is exactly what I had observed here in Thailand too for the last few months, I even asked others about the planes at very high altitude, but seems like nobody saw a thing, most people are with their eyes on their phones nowadays haha

But this is serious, looking from my place straight to east side (the sea) there is commercial plane route for flights leaving from south of Thailand or maybe Malaysia/Singapore/Indonesia and going to Bangkok (they cruise over the gulf), the planes has same route every time (day and night), I can see them during the day and at night too, I can hear the sound too after they passed. So few months ago I started seeing this "new" route a way higher than the commercial planes, and guess what, it leaves a huge trace of white smoke behind, instead of just evaporate in the air, it grows ticker and ticker, whatever that thing is, it is falling right into the ocean. If I see anything above my place, I am gonna move immediately.

I am not commenting much about these things with people, because believe or not if you talk about they make pretty nasty jokes (tinfoil hat nuts dude lol) and I don't want to deal with imbeciles anymore, so I keep for myself, that is pretty much what I do, but I know something nasty is going on, I can see it!

[Ernie Nemeth]

They are getting more sophisticated, too. If its slightly overcast, I've seen them tie small clouds together like they were stitching cloth, to close up the cloud cover.
On clear days, they use the 'starburst' pattern almost exclusively, to create clouds radially from a central point outward.

[Kryztian]

Well, legislators in Tennessee do not doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy - - -

Tennessee State Senate Passes Bill Banning “Chemtrail” Spraying in Their Skies
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/tennessee-state-senate-passes-bill-banning-chemtrail-spraying/

The Tennessee State Senate has taken a definitive stance against the controversial topic of “chemtrails” by passing SB 2691/HB 2063 (https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB2063).

The bill, which aims to ban the intentional release of chemicals into the atmosphere for geoengineering purposes, was sponsored by Representative Monty Fritts (R-Kingston) and Senator Steve Southerland (R-Morristown) and won approval in the Senate on Monday, The Tennessean (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2024/03/20/tennessee-senate-passes-bill-banning-chemtrails-what-to-know/73027586007/) reported.

The legislation is predicated on the claim that “it is documented the federal government or other entities acting on the federal government’s behalf or at the federal government’s request may conduct geoengineering experiments by intentionally dispersing chemicals into the atmosphere, and those activities may occur within the State of Tennessee.”

This new bill seeks to outlaw any such activities, stating that, “The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited.”

The passage of this bill marks a significant development in the ongoing debate over geoengineering and environmental manipulation. Proponents of the bill believe that it is a necessary step to safeguard the environment and public health from unregulated geoengineering practices.

The legislation is set to be enforced beginning July 1, 2024, indicating the urgency that the Tennessee Senate places on this issue for the “public welfare.”

Attention now turns to the House, where the bill is scheduled to be reviewed by the House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee on Wednesday.

If the House passes the bill, Tennessee would become one of the first states to establish a legal framework explicitly prohibiting the spraying of chemicals for geoengineering purposes, potentially setting a precedent for other states to follow in addressing concerns around environmental and atmospheric manipulation.

The Gateway Pundit previously reported that a company called Make Sunsets has successfully launched weather balloons from Mexico that may have released sulfur particles into the atmosphere. Luke Iseman, the co-founder and CEO, claims that because climate change presents such an imminent threat, bizarre interventions like theirs are necessary:

“It’s morally wrong, in my opinion, for us not to be doing this,” said Iseman. “What’s important is to do this as quickly and safely as we can.”

Disturbingly, Make Sunsets made this attempt at solar geoengineering without informing the public or even attempting to engage scientists. Experts who spoke to MIT Technology Review uniformly condemned the move.

Despite these potential unintended consequences and repercussions to the scientific field, Make Sunsets is determined to cash in. They are already selling $10 “cooling credits” for releasing just one gram of carbon into the stratosphere. But don’t worry, Iseman says, the company will act as responsibly as possible:

“What I want to do is create as much cooling as quickly as I responsibly can, over the rest of my life, frankly,” said Iseman. He added later that they will deploy as much sulfur in 2023 as “we can get customers to pay us” for.”

TGP also reported that scientists have proposed an audacious novel geoengineering technique: intentionally dehydrating the stratosphere.

A study published in Science Advances involves the ambitious and contentious idea of seeding the upper atmosphere with particles to prevent water vapor from entering the stratosphere.

Water vapor is important because it’s the most abundant greenhouse gas on Earth. The greenhouse effect occurs when gases in the atmosphere trap heat from the sun, keeping the planet livable. Water vapor is made up of complex molecules that absorb heat radiated from the Earth’s surface and re-radiate it back to the planet.

Also, George Soros wants humans to take control of Earth’s atmosphere to halt “climate change.”

This idea could create a global calamity resulting in the deaths of millions of humans and animals.

According to Fox News, Soros spoke to the Munich Security Conference in 2023 and boasted that he had discovered a process where white clouds are created to reflect sunlight away from warming areas to prevent ice sheets from melting. Ice sheets melting in Greenland in particular, he claimed, could doom human civilization.

The “plan” Soros and King are advocating for is called solar geoengineering. This idea will not save civilization but does have the potential to destroy it.

Klaus Schwab and his band of globalists are also toying with the idea of turning off the sun.

In a new dystopian video that was released by the WEF this month, the organization touted the use of futuristic “space bubbles” that could be used to effectively block out the sun, and thus, help reduce climate change. The “geoengineering” project would theoretically reflect a portion of solar radiation back into space in order to cool the planet, the video explains while highlighting a recent study about the project from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

[norman]

The bill, which aims to ban the intentional release of chemicals into the atmosphere for geoengineering purposes, was sponsored by Representative Monty Fritts (R-Kingston) and Senator Steve Southerland (R-Morristown) and won approval in the Senate on Monday,


Remember those names.

Monty Fritts

Steve Southerland


That's Catherine Austin Fitts country. hmmm

[John Hilton]

I grabbed the following from a Greek Fakebook post. You can check out the website. I don't know if it's legit:
https://anazitiseis.gr/afrikaniki-skoni-apo-varea-metalla-ti-edeixe-sokaristiki-chimiki-analysi-se-ergastirio/

Translation of article (video & document inside link):

'According to media, fine Saharan sand, carried by winds in and then falls in Europe. Only they haven't explained why chemical analysis of sand in every corner of the world shows heavy metals are particularly harmful to health and not some dust.…

Chemical analysis of the” African dust " that accumulates on the windshield of cars reveals that it is nothing but heavy metals, possibly used to modify the weather.
A laboratory in Bosnia did the analysis and found nickel, barium, aluminum and other metals in huge quantities!

Planes cover the sky with tails of condensing chemicals that are supposed to control sunlight and prevent ultraviolet radiation hitting the Earth. They do great harm not only to human health, but in the summer we need UV rays to kill germs and viruses.

In the laboratory that was checked (written in Serbian). It shows in the first column the reference values that the actual Sahara sand must have, and in the second column it shows the measured values from samples taken from the car surface. The measured prices are literally like from a horror movie and not from the Sahara. Aluminium exceeds the reference volume of desert sand by 728 times in the table, arsenic exceeds the limit by 44 times and barium exceeds the limit by 660 times. Iron exceeded the limit 23 times, lead 8 times, zinc 64 times. But the biggest shock is the measured price of nickel. The volume of nickel in the Sample exceeded the reference volume of nickel in the desert sand by 2,500 times!

If we express it in percentages, then it is exceeding the threshold by 250,000%. Nickel and aluminum oxides are the main components of chemtrails.
What happens when UV rays are blocked by dust?

Did you know that ultraviolet radiation is essential to our survival as a human race? that's because ultraviolet radiation serves as the only truly effective disinfectant and weapon against viruses and microbes. Is this the reason why in summer we don't have outbreaks of flu and respiratory diseases? No, it has nothing to do with hot weather, as most of the population believes.

If, for example, someone coughs and throws out droplets with a virus, strong summer UV radiation will kill the viruses in fractions of a second. This is precisely why there are no large epidemics of influenza and similar respiratory diseases in the summer. Until recently, that is…

In mid-June and through the summer there are cases of respiratory diseases, Covid-19, and people wonder how this is possible, after all it is hot. Yes, it's hot, but the volume of incident UV radiation is artificially reduced by spraying chemicals. The modifiers of ultraviolet radiation on the surface of the planet consist mainly of 3 elements, barium, nickel and aluminum.

The chemtrail mixture of these elements is intended to reflect back into space certain wavelengths of solar radiation, especially the ultraviolet spectrum, which is the main reason for the presence of barium, which binds this wavelength to itself. Nickel serves as a reflector that reflects this wavelength of radiation back into space. And what is aluminum for? this is the carrier, the de facto pad for the barium-nickel structure. The main task of the pad is to combine barium and nickel in the form of a reflector.

Arsenic, on the other hand, serves as the glue that holds these parts together at the nanoparticle level. There are several chemical compounds of weather modifiers, e.g. China uses barium and tantalum. The technology works on the opposite principle, the aim is to trap infrared radiation and vaporize water molecules, while tantalum prevents secondary condensation in the atmosphere. Imagine the effect these chemical traces will have on the field even with a crop labeled BIO.
Everyone keeps quiet and pretends it's normal. Waking up in the morning and seeing a beautiful blue sky where suddenly planes fly by and leave behind chemical traces that don't dissolve in two or three minutes as we all remember as children.

Today, the trail of planes in the sky lasts up to 24 hours, it doesn't disappear, it just spreads out and stays there. Sometimes it lasts up to 3 whole days.
Do you know where there is no aerial spraying at all in Europe today? Ukrainians themselves report on social networks that thanks to the war they again have a clear and beautiful blue sky, which they remembered when they were children. In the last two years of the virus pandemic, commercial planes flew without a permit. Even Greta Thunberg was upset at one point and said they shouldn't darken the sky.

Listen to former CIA chief John Brennan speak at the 2016 CFR conference on modifying weather across the planet with Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI)
Bývalý šéf CIA přiznal na konferenci CFR existenci chemtrails a modifikace počasí!

Translation of John Brennan's speech:

"What has gained my personal attention is aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat. An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the global economy with extra time to transition away from fossil fuels. The process is also relatively inexpensive – the National Research Council estimates that a fully developed SAI program would cost about $ 10 billion a year.

Promising as it may be, it would pose a number of challenges for our government and for the international community. Technically, reducing greenhouse gas emissions should accompany the SAI in addressing other impacts of climate change, such as ocean acidification, because the SAI alone will not be able to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

"On the geopolitical side, the potential of techno-agriculture to change the weather and benefit certain regions at the expense of others could provoke a sharp opposition from some countries. Others may "grab" the benefits of SAI and as a result retreat from their commitment to reducing carbon dioxide. And, as with other pioneering technologies, the global norms and standards to guide the development and implementation of SAI are lacking.»
This is what they do to European citizens without giving an account to anyone. This method, like many others that will follow in the future with implications not only for our health but also our freedom, are all based on the Great Fraud of climate change!

SEE ALSO: This is the Greek weather modification company, operating in Thessaloniki since 1981!'

[Rizotto]

Yes, I strongly doubt this 'chemtrail' thing is really going on. There are inherent contradictions, and leaps in logic. The main ones being:

1- The globalist cabal that's pushing the 'climate change' hoax, well, they know it's a hoax, so why would they try to cool the climate by spraying all these chemicals. Their goal is to extort as much wealth from people globally, before they depopulate the planet. So that they can have the whole place for themselves, the 500 millions or so of them that will be left. They wouldn't be spending billions (trillions ?) on a spraying program that does not advance that goal.

2- One of the cabal's reasons for depopulating the earth is to preserve it in as pristine of a state as possible. So why would they be doing heavy polluting by spraying heavy metals and other nasty chemicals, that's not the polluted soup they'd want to live in once they've gotten rid of the rest of us.

I've often asked these 2 questions to those who promote the chemtrails theory, and never received a logical answer. Maybe someone on this thread could explain this?

Meanwhile, my gut feeling is that the 'chemtrail' theory has been fabricated and promoted by the globalist cabal itself to distract us from stopping their nefarious depopulation plan. We should be a lot more concerned about the WEF pandemic treaty and mandatory harmful injections, and WW3 by the USA-Israel axis of genocide.

[Johnnycomelately]

Yes, I strongly doubt this 'chemtrail' thing is really going on. There are inherent contradictions, and leaps in logic. The main ones being:

1- The globalist cabal that's pushing the 'climate change' hoax, well, they know it's a hoax, so why would they try to cool the climate by spraying all these chemicals. Their goal is to extort as much wealth from people globally, before they depopulate the planet. So that they can have the whole place for themselves, the 500 millions or so of them that will be left. They wouldn't be spending billions (trillions ?) on a spraying program that does not advance that goal.

2- One of the cabal's reasons for depopulating the earth is to preserve it in as pristine of a state as possible. So why would they be doing heavy polluting by spraying heavy metals and other nasty chemicals, that's not the polluted soup they'd want to live in once they've gotten rid of the rest of us.

I've often asked these 2 questions to those who promote the chemtrails theory, and never received a logical answer. Maybe someone on this thread could explain this?

Meanwhile, my gut feeling is that the 'chemtrail' theory has been fabricated and promoted by the globalist cabal itself to distract us from stopping their nefarious depopulation plan. We should be a lot more concerned about the WEF pandemic treaty and mandatory harmful injections, and WW3 by the USA-Israel axis of genocide.

Rizotto, good thinking. I too have rejected the ‘chemtrail’ idea, on the grounds of both logistics and so-called evidence. But the fact that this idea has got so much legs, has got to mean that it has some seriou$ support.

[Denise/Dizi]

Surprise, surprise! An elderly, well known and respected activist in Australia who was a Qantas pilot for 30 years recently said chemtrails don't exist. (I would love to ask him how he thinks those "natural" trails suddenly turn-off and then turn-on again). Anyway, my point is that we've all seen so-called awakened folks like this just miss glaring examples of the control agenda. The covid experimental gene therapy jabs were a great example of this, and one that shocked a lot of us, I'm sure. How many times were we surprised to see people who we thought were awakened or at least more aware, go out and get the jab, sometimes multiple times.

Just goes to show, we don't all get everything, all the time!

My brother in law is a pilot for American Airlines in America. But he flies all over the world. There seems to be a phenomenon of "If I was told this, it must be the truth", just as many Drs. will try to shame the non vaxxers into getting the shots. This is what they are told, and they believe what they are told, and as "Professionals", then believe their beliefs are beyond questioning.

I was shocked to learn last month that my family member is also a believer that chemtrails are contrails... And he went on to explain why they are there... IE frozen contrails, fuel additives, different elevations, etc... But what he couldn't explain away is why we get large deliberate X's painting the skies over our tiny little town that is very remote and has no major flight path over it... It is almost as if the skies are being marked to note a location, or an area that should be noted, or on the reverse, left alone...

It is my belief that most are done by miitary or private contractors. I live near an airbase... I know some of the tactics used to hide ground movements, tactical training exercises, just by watching them play out... For example, a great way to hide the movement of equipment on the ground, is to check wind patterns, then start a fire and let the smoke rise to the point where the movements cannot be seen by satellites...

Whether they are, or not, is not in question in my opinion... And thats fine for those who do not believe... Perhaps you do not live in an area where it is blatenly obvious, and that is ok... But if people believe that the miitaries of the world have not created methods to hide their activity from prying eyes, they are fooling themselves.

It reminds me of when Rick Doty noted that we had a devices that could blind Russian satellites as they passed overhead... There are other uses for said chemtrails... As once they are laid out, they can be used for many things... But my guess is mostly scattering signals and noise... to detract from spying...

China surveillance balloon shoot down anyone?

I do believe they are trying to use ingredients in these screens that are as safe as possible to those below them as they dissapate... And some of them can spread out through the skies for hours... I think they calculate the risk, versus the reward, and justify it in those terms. At least this is what I hope to be the case.

The truth in my opinion, is that as our society advances, we have more to hide from prying eyes... And in this case, it seems they're worried about prying eyes from above... Certainly they aren't placed there for the view... They have a purpose... And we have seen images and videos of the planes loaded with the canisters they're spraying... Perhaps we are unaware that other things may be being dropped upon us from an even higher elevation, things that we cannot see... And these are counter measures.

I don't always like to jump to the conclusion that a few at the top want to kill everyone below them. That theory is quite funny to me, as really, who will be at their beckon call if we are all erradicated? The rich won't be rich if there is no slave force below them to cater to their whims. As it is, they are able to travel to the most incredible places on Earth, while the general population is herded onto little cages like container ships to see the same thing...

And the one thing no one brings up is the difference in a countries evolvement into the future of technologies... When Americans and other residents of more advanced nations travel to more rural areas, they are shocked to see that the rest of the world is not living as they are... And as such, would not be on the same page as far as what they notice, and what their "Norm" is. And few take that into account when discussing such things as well.

To some, an airplane in the sky would be a rare sight... A contrail and chemtrail would be a foreign topic of conversation.

[palehorse]

1- The globalist cabal that's pushing the 'climate change' hoax, well, they know it's a hoax, so why would they try to cool the climate by spraying all these chemicals. Their goal is to extort as much wealth from people globally, before they depopulate the planet. So that they can have the whole place for themselves, the 500 millions or so of them that will be left. They wouldn't be spending billions (trillions ?) on a spraying program that does not advance that goal.




Hi Rizotto, possibly answering your first point, sun is vital for all living beings, without it people, animals and plants won't thrive does not matter what. The sun is the primarily source of vitamin D, without this very peculiar vitamin that binds with so many receptor in the body like no other vitamin, we get sick, we develop cancers, we literally die. In other words it is a slow death, I think it fits with their plan, killing and extracting every penny of the infirm. There is many vectors to do that, chemtrail is only one.

Your second point, I think (not sure) they are using it on highly populated areas or in areas where there is food production, this include ocean and rural areas, so their attack vector cover a large range, chemtrail isn't only about blocking the sun, those particles will fall to the ground, it will be in the air for a little while.. so that is what I understand about it and make sense for me.

As always I respect everyone's opinion, after all it is also just my opinion on the subject :)

[John Hilton]

I agree with your logic, Rizotto. Nevertheless, the trails that I see here overhead have no natural explanation. Also, the trails are invariably followed by rain within 48 hours. Of course you could say that the environmental conditions that produce the trails are those which precede rain. But vapour trail ice crystals don't behave like this "dust". So I'm keeping an open mind as to why they would do this.

Edit: Hmm, for some reason I went to bed without clicking "Post".

[Rizotto]

Thanks for the comments, but I'm still looking for an explanation as to why the chemtrails' masterminds would spew toxic chemicals over their own head, every day, for years. Or bloc the healthy sun to the point THEY too lack the sunshine vitamin. Do THEY live on planet earth, or is the theory that THEY are ETs?

And as for my own sky observations, as I live in northern Canada and am often outdoors, I haven't seen 'chemtrails' evidence, only the usual contrails of passing airliners, same as for the past several decades. If there are more contrails than 40 years ago, could be that way more people travel by plane nowadays. Where are those statistics?

[Patient]

Let's consider this....they are apparently spraying all kinds of things into the sky - minerals being some - barium, aluminum, etc.

So these minerals eventually fall to the ground and end up in our food.

Just now, we were warming up some kernel corn in the microwave and the food sparked due to the amount of metal in the corn.

All the years I have used a microwave, I have never seen this occur. If you look it up online, there is now a list of foods that will spark in microwaves.

Why does our food now have this content? The theory is that it is coming from the chemtrail spraying and falling on the lands.

And to those who ask, "why would they spray this ? They live here too!" You are referring to those that rule the world, but do you know who actually rule the world?

[palehorse]

Lets try not go to extremes and keep it more grounded then..

As I see: the royals/wealth does not live among the plebe, so the attack is going on the plebe and where they live and related places.
These folks abusing power they create the necessity and they supply that necessity, so that is how they become super wealth.

Lets take into consideration just the very basic necessities like : water, food and medicines. Commoners consume what is available for them without questioning, the wealth does not consume it.

Regulations force farmers to spray their crops and if they don't do their crops isn't suitable or will be considered under standard for marketing sales, so they can't sell to the food hubs (distributors).

As I said chemtrails is just one attack vector in a large scale, they have many other ways to keep populations under control. Controlling food, water, natural resources and money supply, they control the people, nothing else can be done if each and every person start to think out of the box and find their own solutions in life, most won't do because they don't believe there is a conspiracy going on, they believe the opposite, government is there to help and save them. that is absurd theory for me.

In south-east Asia many farmers still using "roundup" pesticide and it is banned in many countries already because it is known to cause tumors on people (not only farmers, but people eating the crops), roundup is only 1 harmful pesticide, now imagine how many others out there.

Now about proving it, that would be a hard feat, one would have to do a proper investigation, get uninvited into places where they have the substances, take photo/videos of them doing it and then open a court case against these whoever is behind, how that could ever be possible without getting killed?

So my take on this, I avoid industrialized food, I get my water from place I can trust, and I keep an open mind every time I see weird things going on.Regarding chemtrails by now I saw quite a few times those huge marks in the sky, and it was not an average commercial plane, so what was that?

I understand there is so many unanswered questions about it, but that is how it goes anyway. In a world we live today where they can synthesize viruses in labs, chemtrails looks like a playground. Nanobots are programmable particles, so they say its use is for good only, but as any technology can be used for evil in the wrong hands. It is all about the payload carried be it chemical trails in the sky or a simple nanotech inhalation treatments for the lungs, with the wrong payload can kill or make people ill. Everything in the matrix is engineered, nothing happens by chance.

ref.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6424153/
(work supported by federal funds UL1TR001409 from NCATS)

[John Hilton]

Thanks for the comments, but I'm still looking for an explanation as to why the chemtrails' masterminds would spew toxic chemicals over their own head, every day, for years. Or bloc the healthy sun to the point THEY too lack the sunshine vitamin. Do THEY live on planet earth

Well, the psychopaths have a long-term plan for world domination - hundreds of years - so I suppose it doesn't matter if a few of them die early. Or maybe they are able to transfer their souls and continue to live. Or maybe they are able to avoid or mitigate the effects of the dust. Only [they] can tell you.

I did read a theory that the dust is actually coal ash and that sounds plausible because it's effectively a free waste material, which contains mercury, cadmium and arsenic and probably other heavy metals, too. It sounds ideal to me.

Anyway, this is typically what I see in the sky:
https://youtu.be/pRJaeSPEOLc

It starts with trails that don't disappear but grow wider. Eventually those trails cover the entire sky and block enough sunlight that the power from my photovoltaic panels decreases significantly. Even if it's simply "contrails", whom do I sue for my lost energy?

[palehorse]

Thanks for the comments, but I'm still looking for an explanation as to why the chemtrails' masterminds would spew toxic chemicals over their own head, every day, for years. Or bloc the healthy sun to the point THEY too lack the sunshine vitamin. Do THEY live on planet earth

Well, the psychopaths have a long-term plan for world domination - hundreds of years - so I suppose it doesn't matter if a few of them die early. Or maybe they are able to transfer their souls and continue to live. Or maybe they are able to avoid or mitigate the effects of the dust. Only [they] can tell you.

I did read a theory that the dust is actually coal ash and that sounds plausible because it's effectively a free waste material, which contains mercury, cadmium and arsenic and probably other heavy metals, too. It sounds ideal to me.

Anyway, this is typically what I see in the sky:
https://youtu.be/pRJaeSPEOLc

It starts with trails that don't disappear but grow wider. Eventually those trails cover the entire sky and block enough sunlight that the power from my photovoltaic panels decreases significantly. Even if it's simply "contrails", whom do I sue for my lost energy?



uncle Cliff talk about the material used in chemtrails (Aluminium Oxide - ALO2) and it affects the hippocampus of humans... it is a long explanation, which Cliff do a very good job, so I recommend watching it.


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[ExomatrixTV]

Nope, no doubt, as I know how corrupt "fact-checkers" sites operate and how most "debunker" claims are all about false framing. Using occasional truths and misconceptions and some needed corrections MIXED with tons of false narratives!

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https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/icons/icon4.png They Weaponized The Weather: 2023 Update! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120931-They-Weaponized-The-Weather-2023-Update-)



Weather as a Force Multiplier: "Owning the Weather in 2025" >>> Official Military (US Air Force): PDF (https://web.archive.org/web/20180207090327/http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf)


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Important Documents which Mainstream Media never want to discuss!

Global Warming and Ice Ages: I. Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Global%20Warming%20and%20Ice%20Ages%20-%20Prospects%20for%20Physics-Based%20Modulation%20of%20Global%20Change%20-%2029043613.pdf)
Weather Modification Hearings 1974 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/GeoengineeringWatch%20-%20Weather%20Modification%20Hearings%201974.pdf)
University of Arizona Libraries – Geopolitical ecology of solar geoengineering: from a 'logic of multilateralism' to logics of militarization (https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/JPE/article/view/23583/22446) (PDF download (https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/JPE/article/download/23583/22446))
CIA – Weather: Warfare's Next Weapon (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/CIA - Weather - Warfare's Next Weapon.pdf)
Massive US Senate Document On National And Global Weather Modification (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/massive-us-senate-document-on-national-and-global-weather-modification/)
House of Commons The Regulation of Geoengineering 2009 to 2010 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/House of Commons The Regulation of Geoengineering 2009 to 2010.pdf)
From UK House of Commons (NOV 2008)- INNOVATION, UNIVERSITIES & SKILLS COMMITTEE ENGINEERING INQUIRY (GEOENGINEERING CASE STUDY) Memoranda of Evidence (https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmdius/memo/1264/ucm1.pdf)
Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Weather_Modification_Research_and_Technology_Transfer_Authorization_Act_of_2005)
Environmental Investigations of Plants Exhibiting disease State Fluorescence (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ENVIRONMENTAL-INVESTIGATIONS-OF-PLANTS-EXHIBITING-DISEASE-STATE_FLUORESCENCE.pdf)
1966 US Government document Outlining National Weather Modification Programs and Implications (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/19680002906_1968002906.pdf) About this important document (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents-library/a-recomended-national-program-in-weather-modification-icas-report-10a/)
H.R.2977 Space Preservation Act of 2001 pdf [in the event that the link doesn’t work] (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/H.R.2977.pdf) / or H.R. 2977 live link (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH:) This is a MUST READ (See section 7 Definitions: 2A and 2B)
Active Perturbation of the Near Earth Space Environment – Prof. Wayne A. Scales, PhD – Bradley Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Scales.pdf)
A Supersonic Expansion Method of Ice Nuclei Generation for Weather Modification – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1520-0450%25281976%2529015%253C0996%253Aasemoi%253E2%252E0%252Eco%253B2.pdf)Denver Research Institute (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1520-0450%25281976%2529015%253C0996%253Aasemoi%253E2%252E0%252Eco%253B2.pdf)
Agenda 21 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/agenda21.pdf) (United Nations Sustainable Development) (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/agenda21.pdf)
Agriculture Defense Coalition Press Release – U.S. Dept of Energy ARM Campaign – CA (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/34A%20CA%20ARB%20-%20U.S.%20Department%20of%20Energy%20ARM%20California%20CARES%20Campaign%20June%202,%202010%20Agricu lture%20Defense%20Coalition%20Press%20Release.pdf)
Aluminium – (Al) – Chemical properties, Health and Envrionmental effects – Blaylock (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum%2520manuscript-Blaylock.pdf)
Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders – Blaylock (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf)
Aluminum Periodic Table Health Effects 2008 – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum%20Lenntech%20Periodic%20Table%20Health%20Effects%202008.pdf)Lenntech (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum%20Lenntech%20Periodic%20Table%20Health%20Effects%202008.pdf)
Arctic Methane Alert – A (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/arctic-methane-alert.pdf)rctic Methane Emergency Working Group – (this is a large file and may take a moment to load) (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/arctic-methane-alert.pdf)
Atmospheric Aerosol Properties And Climate Impact – NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/atmospheric-aerosol-properties-and-climate-impacts.pdf)
Case Orange.doc – The Belford Group (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/case-orange.pdf)
Chemtrails & Winter Illness (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Chemtrails%20&%20Winter%20Illness-in%20process.doc) – Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Chemtrails%20&%20Winter%20Illness-in%20process.doc)
"Cloud Cover" transcript – Clifford Carnicom (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/cloud-cover.pdf)
Engineering the Climate: Research Needs and Strategies For International Coordination – Commitee of Science and Technology U.S. House of Representatives – 2010 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/ushousereport.pdf)
Executive_Summary.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/00b_executive_summary.pdf)
Fairfax Town Council.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1-11-12%20TC%20Agenda.doc)
Fleming_Testimony.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Fleming_Testimony.pdf)
Geoengineering – a New Copernican Revolution – Raoul Weiler – University of Leuven, Belgium – EU- Chapter Club of Rome, Belgium (CoR-EU) – World Academy of Art and Science (WAAS) (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/slides.pdf)
GeoEngineering – What We Know.doc – Frances Mangals (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/GeoEngineeringWhatWeKnow.doc)
Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/R41371.pdf) – US Gov (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/R41371.pdf)
Geoengineering in Relation to the Convention on Biological Diversity: Technical and Regulatory Matters – Secretariat of the Convention on Biological Diversity (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/cbd-ts-66-en.pdf)
Geoengineering Option – Council on Foreign Affairs (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/The_Geoengineering_Option.pdf)
Geoengineering Options for Mitigating Climate Change – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/uk/decc-paper-geoengineering-options-for-mitigating-climate-change-april-2009.pdf)DECC – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/uk/decc-paper-geoengineering-options-for-mitigating-climate-change-april-2009.pdf) April 2009 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/uk/decc-paper-geoengineering-options-for-mitigating-climate-change-april-2009.pdf)
Geoengineering: A Half-Century of Earth System Experimentation – GeoMap-References.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/GeoMap-References.pdf)
Governance and Technology Policy – Congressional Research Service.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Geoengineering.pdf)
Geoengineering the Climate – The Royal Society – 2009 (http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/policy/publications/2009/8693.pdf)
Heavy Metals – Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/heavymetalsdoc.doc)
Ice Nucleation For Weather Modification – Journal of Applied Meteorology (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/artificial-snow-creation-method.pdf)
International Symposium – Belford Group (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/belgium.doc)
Important international investigation – Belfort Group (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/belgium2.doc)
Mendocino County Board of Supervisors Persistent Jet Contrail Photograph Website – October 10, 2010 – Mendocino County, CA Tourist Attraction (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/6J%202010%20Mendocino%20County%20Board%20of%20Supervisors%20Persistent%20Jet%20Contrail%20Photograph %20Website%20October%2010,%202010%20Mendocino%20County,%20CA%20Tourist%20Attraction.pdf)
Modification of Cirrus Clouds to Reduce Global Warming – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1748-9326_4_4_045102.pdf)Desert Research Institute – Reno NV (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1748-9326_4_4_045102.pdf)
Our Changing Planet – The US Global Change Research Program For Fiscal Year 2013 (http://downloads.globalchange.gov/ocp/ocp2013/ocp2013.pdf)
Overview of Geoengineering the Climate using Stratospheric Aerosols – (http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RaschPhilTrans.pdf)Rutgers (http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RaschPhilTrans.pdf)
Permit to modify / control – Montana Weather (http://leg.mt.gov/content/Publications/Environmental/permit_index/weather.pdf)
Petition Signed by the Right Livelihood Laureates (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Petition%20Signed%20by%20the%20RightLivelihood%20Laureates.doc)
Recommendations on Principles for Research into Climate Engineering Techniques Conference Report – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/AsilomarConferenceReport.pdf)The Asilomar Conference (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/AsilomarConferenceReport.pdf)
Solar Radiation Management.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/SOLAR%20RADIATION%20MANAGEMENT.doc)
SRM Submissions – Royal Society.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/SRM%20Submissions%20Royal%20Society.pdf)
Sustainability Development (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/SustainableDevelopmentProgramReview.pdf) – United Nations (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/SustainableDevelopmentProgramReview.pdf)
Taking Control Of Our Planets Climate – The Royal Society – discussion.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/discussion%20meeting%20-%23CBB0C8.pdf)
The First Global Revolution_text.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/TheFirstGlobalRevolution_text.pdf)
The Flyboys Golden Rule.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/THE%20FLYBOYS%20GOLDEN%20RULE-1.doc)
The HAARP Project and non-lethal weapons – European Parliament (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/press/sdp/backg/en/1998/b980209.htm)
The Planetary Population Protection & Atmospheric Air Purity Act – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1-4-11%20New%20Federal%20Legislation.doc)Ron Paul (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/1-4-11%20New%20Federal%20Legislation.doc)
The Regulation of Geoengineering Command Paper – Sep-2010 – UK (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/uk/the-regulation-of-geoengineering-command-paper-sep-2010-gov-7936.pdf)
The Regulation of Geoengineering.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/221.pdf)
Top-down Planet Hackers Call for Bottom-up Governance.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/ETCNRTestingGeofeb112010.pdf)
Unilateral Geoengineering Non-technical Briefing Notes for a Workshop – At the Council on Foreign Relations – Washington DC, May 05, 2008 Katharine.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/GeoEng_041209.pdf)
U.S. Senate Bill 517 Letter 2005 – www.legislative.noaa.gov / SEE 2009 U.S. SENATE BILL 601 (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/1A%20U.S.%20Senate%20Bill%20517%20Letter%202005%20www.legislative.noaa.gov%20SEE%202009%20U.S.%20SEN ATE%20BILL%20601%5b3%5d.pdf)
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 – US Gov (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/vol3ch15.pdf)
Weather Weapons: The Dark World of Environmental Warfare (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/weather-weapons-dark-world-of-environmental-warfare.pdf) – T. J. Coles (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/weather-weapons-dark-world-of-environmental-warfare.pdf)
Weather Modification Artificial Ionization Methods March 27, 2005 – (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/25%201%202010%20HOW%20AIRCRAFT%20CONTRAILS%20FORM%20MAN-MADE%20CLOUDS%20Satellite%20Images%20BBC%20News%20January%208,%202010%20MSize.pdf)India
(https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/25%201%202010%20HOW%20AIRCRAFT%20CONTRAILS%20FORM%20MAN-MADE%20CLOUDS%20Satellite%20Images%20BBC%20News%20January%208,%202010%20MSize.pdf)

Daily News (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/25%201%202010%20HOW%20AIRCRAFT%20CONTRAILS%20FORM%20MAN-MADE%20CLOUDS%20Satellite%20Images%20BBC%20News%20January%208,%202010%20MSize.pdf)

What Can You Do.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/WHAT%20CAN%20YOU%20DO.doc)
Wildlands Project (http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/index.html) – A History Timeline of Population Control.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/A%20HISTORY%20TIMELINE%20OF%20POPULATION%20CONTROL%5b1%5d.doc)
WMO documents on weather modification – WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION – approved by the Commission for Atmospheric Sciences Management Group (https://geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/aquiess/WMO-Statement-Weather-Modification.pdf)
WX Modifcation 2008-1.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/WX%20Modifcation%202008-1.doc)

Reports


0804.1126.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/0804.1126.pdf)
20Reasons.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/20Reasons.pdf)
AluminumAgIanddrought.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/AluminumAgIanddrought.doc)
ChemtrailEcology.doc (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/ChemtrailEcology.doc)
Technofixes.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/Technofixes.pdf)
aerialsprayoverview.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/aerialsprayoverview.pdf)
instituteofphysics.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/reports/instituteofphysics.pdf)

Peterson Documents


1A U.S. Senate Bill 517 Letter 2005 www.legislative.noaa.gov SEE 2009 U.S. SENATE BILL 601[3].pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/1A%20U.S.%20Senate%20Bill%20517%20Letter%202005%20www.legislative.noaa.gov%20SEE%202009%20U.S.%20SEN ATE%20BILL%20601%5b3%5d.pdf)
2010/ (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/2010/)
2012/ (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/2012/)
Geoengineering U.S. Congressional Hearing November 5, 2009.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20%20U.S.%20Congressional%20Hearing%20November%205,%202009.pdf)
Geoengineering November 11, 2009 U.S. Congressional Hearing CaldeiraTestimony.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20November%2011,%202009%20U.S.%20Congressional%20Hearing%20CaldeiraTestimony.pdf)
Geoengineering San Francisco Chronicle by Energy Secretary Chu November 26, 2009.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20San%20Francisco%20Chronicle%20by%20Energy%20Secretary%20Chu%20November%2026,%202009 .pdf)
Geoengineering U.S. House Hearing November 5, 2009 LaneTestimony from A.E.I.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20U.S.%20House%20Hearing%20November%205,%202009%20LaneTestimony%20from%20A.E.I.pdf)
Geoengineering U.S. House Hearing November 5, 2009 Open Statement by Chairman Bart Gordon.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20U.S.%20House%20Hearing%20November%205,%202009%20Open%20Statement%20by%20Chairman%20 Bart%20Gordon.pdf)
Geoengineering U.S. House Hearing November 5, 2009 ShepherdTestimony.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineering%20U.S.%20House%20Hearing%20November%205,%202009%20ShepherdTestimony.pdf)
Geoengineerng August 28, 2009 The Plan is Nuts.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Geoengineerng%20August%2028,%202009%20The%20Plan%20is%20Nuts.pdf)
H.A.A.R.P. Connection to CARE Charged Aerosol Particle Experiment-September 14, 2009 Professor Scales.pdf (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/H.A.A.R.P.%20Connection%20to%20CARE%20Charged%20Aerosol%20Particle%20Experiment-September%2014,%202009%20Professor%20Scales.pdf)
Up in the Clouds Poster2, 24inx36in, med-2 (2).jpg (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/peterson/Up%20in%20the%20Clouds%20Poster2,%2024inx36in,%20med-2%20%282%29.jpg)

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Universities and Groups


University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) (https://www2.ucar.edu/)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) (http://ncar.ucar.edu/)
Research Applications Lab (NCAR RAL) (http://rap.ucar.edu/)
American Meteorological Society (http://www.ametsoc.org/)

15th Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification (https://ams.confex.com/ams/annual2001/techprogram/programexpanded_46.htm) 2001
16th Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification (https://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2005/webprogram/16WEAMOD.html) 2005
17th Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification (https://ams.confex.com/ams/17WModWMA/techprogram/programexpanded_492.htm) 2008
18th Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification (https://ams.confex.com/ams/91Annual/webprogram/18WXMOD.html) 2011
19th Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification (https://ams.confex.com/ams/93Annual/webprogram/19WXMOD.html) 2013


Desert Research Institute (http://www.dri.edu/)
Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology (CAIPEEX) (http://www.tropmet.res.in/%7Ecaipeex/home.php)
American Society of Civil Engineers (http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWsrchkwx.cgi?Cloud+seeding)
Aurora Flight Sciences (http://www.aurora.aero/)

Weather Derivatives


CME Group (http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/weather/)
AccuWeather (http://home.accuweather.com/index.asp?partner=accuweather)
Artemis (http://www.artemis.bm/)
AWS Energy Services (http://www.aws.com/energy/index.html)
Climate Prediction Center (CPC) (http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/)
EarthSat (http://www.earthsat.com/)
EQECAT (http://www.eqecat.com)
Energy.net (http://www.energy.net/)
Evolution Markets (http://www.evomarkets.com)
First Enercast Financial (http://www.firstenercastfinancial.com/)
Galileo Weather (http://www.galileoweather.com/)
GuaranteedWeather (http://www.guaranteedweather.com/)
ICAP (http://www.icap.com)
IPS MeteoStar (http://www.meteostar.com/)
Spectron Group (http://www.spectrongroup.com)
Speedwell Weather Derivatives (SWD) (http://www.speedwellweather.com/)
Thompson Reuters / Insurance Linked Securities Community (http://thomsonreuters.com/)
Tradition Financial Services (TFS) (http://www.tfsbrokers.com)
Vyapar Capital Market Partners (https://www.vcmpartners.com)
Weather 2000 (http://www.weather2000.com/products/weatherriskmanagement.html)
Weather Bug (http://weather.weatherbug.com/)
Weather Insight (http://www.weatherinsight.com)
Weather Risk Management Associate (WRMA) (http://www.wrma.org/)
World Climate Service (http://www.worldclimateservice.com/)
Weather Service International (WSI) (http://www.wsi.com/)

The Weather Modification Association (WMA)


weathermodification.org (http://www.weathermodification.org/) – Full Corporate Roster (http://www.weathermodification.org/corporateroster.php)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Kalamos]

Sorry, but AI has spoken:

https://chatgpt.com/share/670d70c0-a6e9-4f47-94f9-803eafcc1131

I thought that was a funny read.

[norman]

As things look, at his point, A.I. only knows what it knows.

It's only a bright sparkly thing in the hands of a few idle rich ****ers with less than honest or ideal aspirations.

If it wasn't such a threat to the feeble minded, who out number us at least 100 to 1, it would be a joke.

Don't take my comment as meaning I'm a closet racial purity eugenicist, I'm just about as opposite to that as you can imagine. Intellectual solutions are not my paradigm. We wouldn't be in this mess if we were living the right way up.

Chemtrails are real and part of a threat we have to confront. Confront with our self grown intelligence that's not externally programmed. It's the only intellect that's actually real and the right way up.