20 Dead in El Paso Walmart Shooting

[RogueEllis]

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via the Washington Post:

At least 20 dead in El Paso shopping center shooting as authorities investigate Texas man and manifesto


EL PASO — A gunman wielding an assault-style rifle killed 20 people and wounded 26 more Saturday at a busy Walmart and shopping center not far from the Mexican border, authorities said, in the latest mass shooting to shatter a community and shake the country.

While investigations are ongoing into a motive, the attack “has a nexus to a hate crime,” El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen said. Authorities think the gunman posted a manifesto online listing “the Hispanic invasion of Texas” as one of several motivations for the massacre.
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The attack, which started around 10:40 a.m. on a scorching Texas summer day, sent shoppers racing for cover in a chaotic but all-too-familiar scene of carnage that prompted a massive police and medical response.
One official said the specific number of people killed and injured was subject to change, noting that some victims were in critical condition.
Two law enforcement officials familiar with the inquiry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, identified the suspect as Patrick Crusius, a 21-year-old man from Allen, Tex., a suburb near Dallas. He surrendered to police near the shooting scene, authorities said.
As the shooting quickly became a topic on the presidential campaign trail — Democratic candidate Beto O’Rourke of El Paso canceled events in Las Vegas to return home — federal and local authorities were scrambling to identify a motive.
One avenue of inquiry is a manifesto that includes remarks attacking immigrants and is sympathetic to a man charged with killing 51 people this year at two mosques in New Zealand, according to the two officials. Authorities think the Texas suspect posted the anti-immigrant diatribe but are still gathering evidence to prove it, according to law enforcement officials.

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard tweeted Saturday evening that six Mexicans had been wounded in the shooting in El Paso, including a 10-year-old girl. In Ciudad Juarez, just south of the U.S. border, government officials, business groups and others in the Mexican city released statements of solidarity and sympathy.
In a statement issued Saturday evening, Attorney General William P. Barr said “those who commit such atrocities should be held accountable swiftly and to the fullest extent the law allows.” If investigators determine that Crusius did write the posting, he could be charged with violations of federal hate crimes laws.

President Donald Trump made no public remarks after the shooting, instead offering his condolences via Twitter while he stayed at his Bedminster, New Jersey golf course. Trump tweeted that he had spoken to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) to “pledge total support of Federal Government.”
The president also tweeted that the attack “was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice. I know that I stand with everyone in this Country to condemn today’s hateful act.”

Abbott did not discuss the possibility that the shooting could be a hate crime at a news conference with political and law enforcement leaders in El Paso. He said the Legislature this year focused on preventing school shootings and found a common thread in mass shootings.
“I can tell you that perhaps the most profound and agreed upon issue that came out of all of those hearings was the need for the state and for society to do a better job of dealing with challenging mental health based issues,” he said.
But Rep. Veronica Escobar, a Democrat who represents El Paso in Congress, said the manifesto tied to the alleged shooter suggested that hate and anti-immigrant sentiment was the driving force behind the killings.

“The manifesto narrative is fueled by hate. And it’s fueled by racism and bigotry and division,” she said.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern offered condolences, while noting no definitive links have been found yet between Saturday’s attack and the Christchurch massacre. “I know no one in New Zealand would want the terrorist act that occurred here to inspire anything other than a sense of unity against acts of hatred, violence and terrorism,” she said in statement to The Post.

The shooting in El Paso was the deadliest American mass shooting since November 2017, when a gunman killed 26 people in a church in Sutherland Springs, Tex. It comes just days after a gunman opened fire at a garlic festival in California, killing three and wounding 12 others. One of those killed in Gilroy was a 6-year-old boy.

The scene of the most recent carnage — a Walmart and an adjacent shopping center in a state allowing open carry of firearms — is likely to become important symbolically in the debate over gun control. Walmart is one of the largest gun retailers in the world and has been under pressure to curtail firearms sales.
Last year, the store announced that it was changing the minimum age required to buy a firearm or ammunition at Walmart from 18 to 21 “in light of recent events,” according to a statement by the company. The decision came two weeks after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 people dead.

The suspect in Saturday’s shooting sounds very much like past shooters — quiet, antisocial and a bit “strange,” according to people who grew up with him in Plano, Tex.

Crusius attended school with his twin sister, Emily Crusius. The school collectively thought of Patrick Crusius as “the strange one” of the sibling duo, according to two people who attended with them — both of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity.

It is not clear how Crusius got from the Dallas area to El Paso, a roughly nine-hour drive.

The shooting apparently began outside the Walmart midmorning Saturday.
Vanessa Saenz, a 37-year-old El Paso resident, was turning into the Walmart parking lot, with her mother and son, to buy the family’s weekly groceries when she heard a few pops that sounded like fireworks.

She looked over and saw a man who seemed to be “dancing” in the air — and then she noticed a woman sprinting.

Saenz realized that the man had been shot and that these were no fireworks.
“My mom yelled, ‘Just go! Speed and just go!’ but of course there were people trying to dodge the bullets and running through the parking lot,” Saenz said in an interview with The Post.

She also caught a glimpse of the shooter, who she said was wearing dark cargo pants, a black T-shirt, and some sort of earmuffs. He was around 5-foot-10-inches tall, thin and carrying a rifle, she said.

He was just “shooting randomly,” Saenz said, and then he walked into the store and she lost sight of him.

Inside the Walmart, shoppers and employees raced to exit the store or even hide in shelves. Witnesses said Good Samaritans used their own cars to transport victims to hospitals.

Roughly 650 miles east in Allen, Texas, police on Saturday night blocked off a road in the upscale Starcreek neighborhood. Melinda Urbina, a spokesperson for the Dallas FBI field office, said Crusius’s family lives on the street and that the FBI is assisting El Paso police in the investigation.

Neighbors milled about as television reporters camped out on the sidewalk. Valerie Corniello, a neighbor, said she had seen people come and go from the Crusius house but had never spoken with them.

“The neighborhood is quiet with lots of professionals and people from all backgrounds and races,” she said. “It’s so sad what has happened. I feel sick for the family.”

In El Paso, O’Rourke and his wife, Amy, visited victims and their families at University Medical Center. One family had been sitting at a table raising funds for a soccer team the father coached when he was shot and badly wounded. O’Rourke spoke to his wife.

“She told me and Amy, ‘This has got to change,’" O’Rourke said.
O’Rourke said President Trump’s rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings.

“He is a racist and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke said. “And it does not just offend our sensibilities, it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence.”



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[ramus]

There was another shooting the same day as the shooting in El Paso. Dayton Ohio.

LIVE UPDATES
Updated 20 minutes ago
Live Updates: Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.

The killings are the latest in a particularly brutal week for gun violence in the United States.

By Simon Romero and Daniel Victor

Right Now

Mass shootings in Texas and Ohio leave at least 29 dead
Here’s what you need to know:

Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.
The El Paso shooting is raising tensions in a city already on edge.
The shopping center was a regular destination for Mexican nationals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/u...g-updates.html

Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.

Less than 24 hours after a gunman opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Tex., a man using a long gun stormed an entertainment district in Dayton, Ohio and killed at least nine people and wounded another 16, the police said.

[Read: Dayton police officers were nearby and responded to the scene within one minute of gunshots.]

It was the latest tragedy in a particularly brutal week for gun violence in the United States. The shooting came about 13 hours after a gunman in El Paso left at least 20 dead and 26 others wounded and one week after a gunman killed three people and wounded 13 others in a shooting at a garlic festival in Gilroy, Calif.

In all, there have been at least 32 mass shootings, defined as three or more killings in a single episode, in the United States this year.

[ramus]

@ RogueEllis

"O’Rourke said President Trump’s rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........

[Arcturian108]

Here is the El Paso shooter's Manifesto in its entirety, as published in the Drudge Report, and hardly even summarized in the New York Times:

WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO
Sat Aug 03 2019 22:31:51 ET

The Inconvenient Truth
About Me
In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and
his manifesto. This attack is a response to the
Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigator
s, not me. I am simply defending my country from
cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.
Some people will think this statement is
hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic
and cultural destruction brought to the Native
Americans by our European ancestors, but this just
reinforces my point. The natives didn’t take the
invasion of Europeans seriously, and now what’s lef
t is just a shadow of what was. My motives for this
attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispan
ic community was not my target before I read The
Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the po
litical and economic reasons behind the attack, my
gear, my expectations of what response this will ge
nerate and my personal motivations and thoughts.
Political Reasons
In short, America is rotting from the inside out,
and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly
impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our lead
ers, both Democrat AND Republican, have been
failing us for decades. They are either complacent
or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the
American public in our history. The takeover of the
United States government by unchecked
corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all
the damage these corporations have caused, but here
is what is important. Due to the death of the baby
boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of
the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The
Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by
pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open
borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship
and more to enact a political coup by importing and then
legalizing millions of new voters. With policies li
ke these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely
become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a
Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the
Democrats is all it would take for them to win near
ly every presidential election. Although the
Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Pro-
corporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party don’t prioritize
corporations over our future. So the Democrats are
nearly unanimous with their support of immigration
while the Republicans are divided over it. At least
with Republicans, the process of mass immigration
and citizenship can be greatly reduced.
Economic Reasons
In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will
make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under
two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to
it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most
will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting
millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the
United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to
the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America. In
the near future, America will have to initiate a basic
universal income to prevent widespread poverty and
civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in
itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents
on a government welfare system, the better. The
lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving
ambitions social projects like universal healthcare
and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if
tens of millions of dependents are removed.
Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically don’t. They want to live the American
Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why
corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need
to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool. Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporations
make this worse by lobbying for even more work visa
s to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come
here. Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of
foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support
immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and
unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is
a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new
migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that American
s can’t survive on anyway. Automation can and would
replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants
were deported. This source of competition for skilled
labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse
for natives as they compete in the skilled job mark
et. To compete, people have to get better credentials
by spending more time in college. It used to be tha
t a high school degree was worth something. Now a
bachelor’s degree is what’s recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college
degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted.
This has led to a generation of indebted,
overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs. Of course these migrants and
their children have contributed to the problem, but are n
ot the sole cause of it.
The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is
destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive
burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by
shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been
a problem for decades. For example, this
phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades
old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the
country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming
and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste
and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create
s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how
many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water of
f our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my
short life has led me to believe that the average A
merican isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if
the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The
government is unwilling to tackle these issues
beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration
because more people means a bigger market for their
products. I just want to say that I love the people
of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next
logical step is to decrease the number of people in
America using resources. If we can get rid of enough
people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.
Gear
Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) – I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian
version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about
100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a
heat-resistant glove to get around this.
8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62x39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol
hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost o
f penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not
nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is
definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and
may still be with it.
Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast a
s the
AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to frag
ment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing
lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I
wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is
probably the best gun for military applications but
this isn’t a military application.
This will be a test of which is more lethal, either
it’s fragmentation or tumbling.
I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this
attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this
before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no
attack and no manifesto
Reaction
Statistically, millions of migrants have returned t
o their home countries to reunite with the family t
hey
lost contact with when they moved to America. They
come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum
reasons. This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home
countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will
provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of
millions of baby boomers. This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that it’s not i
n their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate
America doesn’t need to be destroyed, but just
shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they don’t bend, they will break.
Personal Reasons and Thoughts
My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn’t exist. The job of my dreams will
likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of
the local and state government of my beloved Texas,
changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup
which will hasten the destruction of our country. The environment is getting worse by the year. If you
take nothing else from this document, remember this
: INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the
shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers
have endowed me with the rights needed to save
our country from the brink destruction. Our European comrades don’t have the gun rights needed to
repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch
their countries burn.
America can only be destroyed from the inside-out.
If our country falls, it will be the fault of trait
ors. This
is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this
isn’t an act of imperialism but an act of preservation.
America is full of hypocrites who will blast my act
ions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other
countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause.
People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of
thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is
okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd. Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a
whole lot less. Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I can’t bring myself to kill my fellow
Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are
shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of
our collective values, etc. One day they will see error
of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save
it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise y’all that.
I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also
because it’s completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd
generation Hispanics form interracial unions
at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity
is largely temporary. Cultural diversity diminishes as
stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake
weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will
take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering
all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been
here at least as long as the whites, and have done
as much to build our country. The best solution to
this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting
each race self-determination within their respective territory(s).
My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by
the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of
the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death
penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not
going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’
m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfll
your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security
targets. Even though you might out gun a security
guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor,
training and numbers. Do not throw away your life
on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.
My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest
predate Trump and his campaign for president. I put
ting this here because some people will blame the
President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media
will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous
for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.
Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just
the beginning of the fight for America and Europe.
I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country
from destruction.

[Deux Corbeaux]

I just edited this WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO to make it easier to read. Nothing more.


Here is the El Paso shooter's Manifesto in its entirety, as published in the Drudge Report, and hardly even summarized in the New York Times:

WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO
Sat Aug 03 2019 22:31:51 ET

The Inconvenient Truth About Me

In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.

Some people will think this statement is hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic and cultural destruction brought to the Native Americans by our European ancestors, but this just reinforces my point. The natives didn’t take the invasion of Europeans seriously, and now what’s left is just a shadow of what was.

My motives for this attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the political and economic reasons behind the attack, my gear, my expectations of what response this will generate and my personal motivations and thoughts.

Political Reasons

In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations.

I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state.

The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.

With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election.

Although the Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Procorporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party don’t prioritize corporations over our future. So the Democrats are nearly unanimous with their support of immigration while the Republicans are divided over it. At least with Republicans, the process of mass immigration and citizenship can be greatly reduced.

Economic Reasons

In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America.

In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the better. The lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitions social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.

Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically don’t. They want to live the American Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool.

Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporations make this worse by lobbying for even more work visas to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come here.

Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that Americans can’t survive on anyway.

Automation can and would replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants were deported. This source of competition for skilled labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse for natives as they compete in the skilled job market.

To compete, people have to get better credentials by spending more time in college. It used to be that a high school degree was worth something. Now a bachelor’s degree is what’s recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs.

Of course these migrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not the sole cause of it. The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country.

The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic “The Lorax”.

Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent.

Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience.

The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products.

I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

Gear Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) –
I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about 100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a heat-resistant glove to get around this.

8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62x39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost of penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet.
The ak47 is definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and may still be with it.

Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast as the AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to fragment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is probably the best gun for military applications but this isn’t a military application. This will be a test of which is more lethal, either it’s fragmentation or tumbling.


I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no attack and no manifesto

Reaction
Statistically, millions of migrants have returned to their home countries to reunite with the family they lost contact with when they moved to America. They come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum reasons.

This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of millions of baby boomers.

This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that it’s not in their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate America doesn’t need to be destroyed, but just shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they don’t bend, they will break.


Personal Reasons and Thoughts.

My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn’t exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup which will hasten the destruction of our country.

The environment is getting worse by the year. If you take nothing else from this document, remember this: INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers have endowed me with the rights needed to save rour country from the brink destruction.

Our European comrades don’t have the gun rights needed to repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch their countries burn.

America can only be destroyed from the inside-out. If our country falls, it will be the fault of traitors. This is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this isn’t an act of imperialism but an act of preservation.

America is full of hypocrites who will blast my actions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause. People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd.

Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a whole lot less. Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I can’t bring myself to kill my fellow Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of our collective values, etc.

One day they will see error of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise y’all that.

I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also because it’s completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics form interracial unions at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity is largely temporary.

Cultural diversity diminishes as stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here at least as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country.

The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self determination within their respective territory(s).

My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case is far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway.

Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.

Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.

My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I’m putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case.

I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.

Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just the beginning of the fight for America and Europe.

I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction.

[RogueEllis]

@ RogueEllis

"O’Rourke said President Trump’s rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........

Speaking of politics I suppose this is going to now be a talking point for the Democratic convention?

And I missed about the Ohio shooting. Maybe the thread title can be changed to reflect that?

[Praxis]

I just edited this WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO to make it easier to read. Nothing more.
tion.

Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being. (about the shooter and his writing not Deux for formatting)

White nationalist garbage through and through.

This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.

Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?



I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.

I hope his family does despise him and everything he stands for.

I hope all on this forum feel the same.

Utter garbage.

[Orph]

Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being.
White nationalist garbage through and through.
This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.
Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?
I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.
I hope his family does despise him and everything he stands for.
I hope all on this forum feel the same.
Utter garbage.Well, I disagree. Obviously I think it is totally wrong to kill people. But I think it is a very well written article, even if I do disagree with some parts of it. Was he wrong when he said our military gets away with murdering people for far less reason? Was he wrong when he said that Americans are polluting our environment at an alarming rate and yet very few seem to care? Was he wrong when he said people of color have been here as long as white people and helped build America to what it is today?

He may be misguided to think that violence will somehow solve the problem, but there is truth in some of what he says.

[Caliban]

We don't even know if "this guy" wrote that piece.

We don't even know what really happened there, do we?

[RogueEllis]

Question answered.

[ramus]

Below is a statement by the shooter in Texas: Not to be found in the media.


"My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I’m putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case."

[Caliban]

Okay, I'm going to be honest here and admit something embarrassing and slightly off-topic: I have a mental-disability. And while I'm trying to fit in, I feel like I'm this dog jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach. POINT: I want to understand all of this but it goes over my head. Is there any news source, YouTube channel or otherwise, that could give me an unbiased "simplified" take on topics. I really would like to know, I just feel like I'm at the edge trying to gnaw my way in.

Okay, I'm sorry for that. I just needed to get it out. Please ignore if necessary.

Hey, my friend, no worries, we all feel like "dogs jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach."

I'm not sure where to point you exactly, because Youtube used to be an amazing source of info on everything from 911 to Sandy Hook to Pulse, etc. But they've removed 95% of the videos that took many hours to make. You can try bitchute and search out the topics you're interested in.

Def check out Ole Dammegard. He's got a bunch of interviews on YT. Very shrewd guy. There's David Icke, there's Avalon of course, there's Infowars (heavy grain of salt warning there). The info's still out there, you have to search harder now.

Check out this guy, Jim Stone: http://82.221.129.208/.we7.html He's already got a piece up on this Walmart thing, with some serious questions about the event -- and its timing. Timing is usually a major theme to these things.

And listen, don't worry if you feel lost in all this -- again, we're all basically lost and piecing things together. Don't let yourself get too frustrated -- or obsessed.

[RogueEllis]

Okay, I'm going to be honest here and admit something embarrassing and slightly off-topic: I have a mental-disability. And while I'm trying to fit in, I feel like I'm this dog jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach. POINT: I want to understand all of this but it goes over my head. Is there any news source, YouTube channel or otherwise, that could give me an unbiased "simplified" take on topics. I really would like to know, I just feel like I'm at the edge trying to gnaw my way in.

Okay, I'm sorry for that. I just needed to get it out. Please ignore if necessary.

Hey, my friend, no worries, we all feel like "dogs jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach."

I'm not sure where to point you exactly, because Youtube used to be an amazing source of info on everything from 911 to Sandy Hook to Pulse, etc. But they've removed 95% of the videos that took many hours to make. You can try bitchute and search out the topics you're interested in.

Def check out Ole Dammegard. He's got a bunch of interviews on YT. Very shrewd guy. There's David Icke, there's Avalon of coure, there's Infowars (heavy grain of salt warning there). The info's still out there, you have to search harder now.

Check out this guy, Jim Stone: http://82.221.129.208/.we7.html He's already got a piece up on this Walmart thing, with some serious questions about the event -- and its timing. Timing is usually a major theme to these things.

And listen, don't worry if you feel lost in all this -- again, we're all basically lost and piecing things together. Don't let yourself get too frustrated -- or obsessed.

Ha-ha thanks! And sorry for getting off-topic! I just know my main news sources lean to the left so I want something more balanced. And you all ask such great questions I just want to understand them.

Back on topic: Why wait now? Why not do this while Obama's in office?

[Cardillac]

we don't know if this guy acted alone or if there we're multiple shooters; there's always a single patsy who is blamed- has always been the case-

Larry

[Gracy]

Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being.

White nationalist garbage through and through.

This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.

Disgusting for sure, it made my skin crawl to read it, but not so fast on the hair trigger pure blaming it on white nationalism. Yes that sure is there, but extreme white nationalism only appears to be part of it. For example, he wants them all immigrants to go home (white nationalist), but also wants to divide the country into racially segregated quadrants for all to live peacefully but separate.

Not white nationalist.


The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self determination within their respective territory(s).



Hes a very confused young man who has ingested a lot of information but (some quite correct!), but the internal processing is all warped out of shape, he's delusional. For starters, on the one hand he wants to force them all to go home (white nationalst), while also advocation above for a for a Israel/Palestine type of 2 state solution (not white nationalist)


He even ends with this.


My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I’m putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case.

I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.

Of course theyre going to blame Trumps rhetoric, and some of that retoric i feel really is going to, and maybe already is, inciting slightly unhinged people who otherwise would stay hidden in the shadows, but the kid makes a point of saying his ideology predates Trump. If he really did write this, hes obviously imo been surfing the net for some time, and i do believe him with saying it pre dates Trump.

But besides having an aspect of extreme white nationalist whether the kid wants to admit it to himseld or not, besides being EXTREMELY and INEXCUSEABLY anti immigrant, most the rest of his ideology is far left in origin. Its like hes married extreme white nationalism with extreme antifa.

He starts out all anti democrat


The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.

With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election

But quickly proceeds to rattle off a whole littany of not just democrat, but very progressive ideas and talking points


In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs.
Left wing. Hellooooo... Andrew Yang anyone?


The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.
Left wing


Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources.
Left wing


The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs.
Left wing.


Achieving ambitions social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.

The above is another example of marrying left to EXTREME far right to make one f'd up little baby...


Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent.
Left wing


Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands.

Left wing


People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd.
Left wing, and this is right out of pres candidate Tulsi Gabbards playbook.



Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?

I learned something. At the very least i now know its possible for a mostly very left wing leaning person, to add one EXTREME element of far right wing to produce disastrous results.

Also, when i watch msm and hear this one is all about Trump, i'll know better.

Also, we should never shy from looking at ANY given piece of info. Ill plop down and read the satanic bible if it suits me.


I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.

Again careful with that. Do you stand against his anti war stance, or his seeing the damage big corporations cause for instance?


One more thing i want to add. Does a modern day, operational version of Operation Northwoods ever enter anyones mind with this stuff? Maybe even, speaking of odd marriages, the marriage of modern day Operation Northwoods and MKULTRA?

[Mutchie]

This is going to be ONGOING all across Europe people are starting to vote RIGHT WING partys into power or there about ... France with Le Pen and Germany with its AFD party which is growing in size all the time ... Italy voted right wing ...Sweden ... Austria ... Britain voted for Brexit ... All of this because of MASS IMMIGRATION !! You dont need to be racist to understand that local people feel threatened by huge numbers of Muslims etc coming into their towns etc ... I have watched many videos on this subject and i understand these people just want a better life for themselves and their familys ... But the TRUTH is people Worldwide are starting to REACT in EXTREME ways ...Christ Church was a beginning - I believe WE WILL SEE MORE SHOOTINGS - YOU MARK MY WORDS - These kinds of conditions ALLOWED ADOLF HITLERS NAZI PARTY TO FLOURISH THEN DOMINATE under the banner of national revival... They tell US history repeats itself ... His manifesto is well written ... The shootings will continue ... others will be inspired - GOD HELP US !!!!

[Fellow Aspirant]

@ RogueEllis

"O’Rourke said President Trump’s rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........

But ramus,it's not a shame, it's reality. Everything is political. Everything that happens within the realm of human experience is political. Politics is/are what humans do.

I think you may mean that you don't like it when a political leader that you like gets blamed for something that happens in society while they are in charge. This has always been a phenomenon, since our societies allowed "leaders/rulers".

If a 'leader' can't take the political heat, then he or she should get out of the political kitchen.

B.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I share this suspicion.


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[Fellow Aspirant]

I have drawn attention to a portion of the El Paso killer's manifesto. It's not what I expected. The killer is not entirely focused on White Supremacy - his reasoning is more complex. In fact, much of what he claims I agree with, especially with regard to our consumer society destroying our environment. The corporations willingly pillage our world's resources to make things that they can profit from. But I'm afraid he is also correct when he says that our citizens are loath to curb their consumption.

Where he crashes full speed into Crazy Town is his solution to the problem of rising population

Is he, in some way, an enviro-terrorist? Is this insane "activism" one of the dangers our society risks as we continue to destroy our planet?

excerpt (large text mine)

The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is
destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive
burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by
shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades.

For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the
country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming
and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste
and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create
s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how
many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands.

Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American

isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues
beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration
because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people
of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle.

So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough
people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

[Caliban]

Yes, that "manifesto" has some interesting things, I won't deny it.

But it's a giant red herring.

Also, why would someone that thougtful then decide to blast away at a store full of people? For what ultimate end? To get his manifesto out there that shows he cares for this country and its people? Even though he just randomly (we'd assume) shot into a crowded public place?

Doesn't add up. At all.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Before it was taken down, his FB page did not exhibit such an intelligent, perfect, "no error" writing style.
just saying...

[RogueEllis]

hm...who benefits the most...

[waves]

We don't even know if "this guy" wrote that piece.

We don't even know what really happened there, do we?

No. I really think we've learned enough over the years to put the word SUPPOSED in front of ANY and EVERY mainstream news story, or 'sub' story about it.

Take NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING face value.

[O Donna]

Take NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING face value.

So true. Even with that mantra in hand, we get fooled by assumption after assumption.

If most people did not take fiat currency at face value the world economy would collapse, for example.

But I digressed the post so I will re-post with highlight:

Take NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING face value.

[ichingcarpenter]

His 'manifesto' is reminiscent of Hitler and Nazi ideology on race and purity.

Hitler’s major written work is Mein Kampf (‘My Struggle’). The first volume was prepared while Hitler was imprisoned, and the second volume thereafter. While Mein Kampf was influenced by other sources, it represents a synthesis of Hitler’s core beliefs, among them that race was a central issue. Germany was, however, focused on race long before Hitler’s rise to power (see Box 1). Reading Hitler’s own words should increase our resolve to avoid future atrocities such as those perpetrated by the Nazis, abetted by the health professions, only 60 years ago.

Hitler on racial admixture
Race science flourished in Germany in the early 20th century. According to Silver (2003), Hitler’s policies were influenced by such work. Hitler drew his arguments against the sexual mixing of races from the natural world; for example ‘Such mating is contrary to the will of Nature for a higher breeding of all life’ (p. 258). His analogies refer repeatedly to animals. He believed that such mixed unions were deleterious, because they reduced the superior breed: ‘Any crossing of two beings not exactly the same level produces a mediumbetween the level of the two parents’ (p. 258). Hitler’s denigration of mating between human racial and ethnic groups, as if theywere different species,was scientifically wrong. Hitler’s idea that the offspring of unions of mixed race/ethnic group are inferior does not fit with modern evolutionary theory favouring outbreeding to inbreeding, or what gardeners refer to as ‘hybrid vigour’. To his way of thinking, however, there was only one superior race: ‘Everything we admire on this earth today – science and art, technology and inventions – is only the creative product of a few peoples and originally perhaps of one race’ (emphasis in original, p. 262). From such arguments he drew the inference of harm to his own ‘Aryan’ people from the mixing of peoples: ‘Historical experience offers countless proofs of this. It shows with terrifying clarity that in every mingling of Aryan blood with that of lower peoples the result was the end of the cultured people’ (p. 260), and ‘All great cultures of the past perish only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning’ (p. 262), and ‘Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures ...’ (p. 269). A policy of enforced sterilisation was promoted, and Hitler perceived this in terms of racial warfare, for in his view the resulting ‘bastardisation’ resulting fromthe troops mating with German girls ruined the blood of the white race (p. 295).

The philosophy that Hitler promoted did not believe in equality of the races, but rather in the subordination of the inferior and weaker ‘... in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe’ (p. 348). He wrote, ‘... in a bastardised and niggerised [sic] world all the concepts of the humanly beautiful and sublime, as well as all ideas of an idealised future of our humanity, would be lost forever’ (p. 348). Hitler’s extreme language on mixing of the races marked the emotional foundations of his arguments, despite their being presented as ostensibly scientific.

Hitler perceived North America as retaining its culture because it maintained its Germanic character with little racial mixture, in contrast to South America, which he proclaimed had lost this culture because of admixture. The conclusion to Mein Kampf is five short paragraphs. The fourth states: ‘A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become Lord of the earth’ (p. 628). This was a trumpet call for eugenics. The influence upon Hitler of the eugenics movement internationally, and particularly that in the USA, has recently been reviewed by Black (2003).

Hitler argued that in a racially pure Germany the herd instinct in times of danger and war would have been strong, and the Germans would have been enjoying world domination. Peace would have been supported by the ‘... victorious sword of a master people’ (p. 360). Fortunately, Hitler argued, there are still ‘... great unmixed stocks of Nordic-Germanic people who we may consider the most precious treasure for our future’ (p. 361).


His thesis was that the contribution of Aryan people stimulated foreign people to achieve.When they reproduced with the Aryans, their new-found advances collapsed, with the degradation of the master race and the subjugated race alike. To quote: ‘The last visible trace of the former master people is often seen in the lighter skin colour which its blood left behind in the subjugated race ...’ (p. 265).

Hitler was frank that the superior races were exploiters. ‘Without this possibility of using lower human beings, the Aryan would never have been able to take his first steps towards his future culture ...’, he wrote (p. 267), and ‘It is certain that the first culture of humanity was based less on the tamed animals than on the use of lower human beings’ (p. 268). From this stand he argued for slavery as an essential and virtuous means of human progress of Aryans. He bolstered this argument by diminishing the worth of the inferior groups, e.g. ‘All who are not of good race in this world are chaff ’ (p. 269). He employed an argument that is still heard, that even such a state of slavery improved on the previous conditions enjoyed by such inferior races. In subjugating the lower races, Hitler wrote, ‘... perhaps he [the Aryan, my clarification] gave them a fate that was better than their previous so-called ‘freedom’ (p. 268).


Hitler on the creation of a superior society and the role of medicine
Only 600 years are required, Hitler said, to achieve a recovery. All that German society needed to do was prevent the physically degenerate and mentally sick from procreating and to promote fertility of the healthiest bearers of the nationality. To achieve the blessing of a highly bred racial stock, the state must not leave matters to chance. Hitler’s ideas for the creation of a superior society were explicitly founded on discrimination, based particularly on racism but also on perceived superiority on other grounds. ‘A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called up to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape’, said Hitler (pp. 365–6). He deplored the fact that ‘In this ... society, the prevention of the procreative faculty in sufferers from syphilis, tuberculosis, hereditary diseases, cripples, and cretins is a crime ...’ (p. 366) and proclaimed that a People’s (a better translation of Volkisch) state must put race at centre stage and ensure that ... ‘only the healthy beget children’ (p. 367). The medical profession was seen as the torchbearer for this policy. Hitler declared that the country ‘... must put the most modern medical men in the service of this knowledge’ who in turn ‘... must declare unfit for propagation all who are in any way visibly sick or who have inherited a disease ...’. Childbearing was extolled and the state should ‘... take care that the fertility of the healthy woman is not limited by the financial irresponsibility of a state regime ...’ (all p. 367).

Racial commissions would be required to issue settlement certificates in newly acquired territories, after the individual’s racial purity was established. On citizenship, Hitler argued that racial factors were not given sufficient importance, and deplored the fact that (at least in theory) ‘Even the Zulu Kaffir can become a German’. He praised the United States of America for refusing immigration to the sick and those from some races (as embodied in their 1921 and 1924 Immigration Acts). The ‘folkish’ people’s state that he planned was to have citizens, subjects and foreigners. The citizen was to be privileged and of German nationality. He was to be the lord of the Reich. Those born in Germany but not of German nationality were to be subjects. Hitler proposed that evaluation of race be done on individuals using blood tests because ‘... the blood components, though equal in their broad outlines, are, in particular cases, subject to thousands of the finest differentiations’ (p. 402).

Hitler believed that leadership must be in the hands of those who possessed the best minds, and these were, in his philosophy, the racially most pure and Aryan. He considered it a sin that a Negro might become a lawyer, ‘... it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; ... while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions’ (p. 391). Despite these views, Hitler wanted the state to be a meritocracy, picking the most capable people.


http://diversityhealthcare.imedpub.com/hitler-on-race-and-health-in-mein-kampf-a-stimulus-to-antiracism-in-the-health-professions.php?aid=2567

If you go through this MURDER's Manifesto you will see the same themes. The talk about corporations owning the nation is true but Hitler saw that too and played it in his speeches but in actuality went to bed with them as a fascist.
Shame on anyone who thinks this MURDER has some points.

[Cara]

From Catherine Austin Fitts twitter stream:

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CatherineAustinFitts
@TheSolariReport
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Let's start with an investigation into how many of these operations are run and implemented by public and private intelligence agencies and mercenaries

[O Donna]

If you go through this MURDER's Manifesto you will see the same themes. The talk about corporations owning the nation is true but Hitler saw that too and played it in his speeches but in actuality went to bed with them as a fascist.
Shame on anyone who thinks this MURDER has some points.

Interesting post.

In addition, do you realize that righteous indignation is part of that revolving door?

[T Smith]

This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.



Assuming this attack was the organic response of a lone gunman with a beef, as reported, I strongly condemn violence as a means to effect social change and I agree with almost every part of your post; however I feel compelled to correct the above snippet for the record. If I'm mistaken on this point, by all means I humbly request you correct me.

The political establishment (and by this I assume you mean the current Administration) is not openly embracing White Nationalism; who or what has led you to that conclusion? I acknowledge the MSM has spun a very subtle agitprop narrative to the contrary, but a very sophisticated agitprop narrative waged against the people does not equate to what is happening in real time. In short, the idea that the current Administration is embracing White Nationalism is entirely false and nothing but an implanted psyop. With some degree of irony, your observation actually describes a public relations campaign waged by an unelected political establishment at odds with the libertarian values on which the country was founded. That is also why (as Ron Mauer Sr. correctly implies above) this entire tragedy may not even be as it appears. It may be a sponsored false flag. Initial reports from eye-witness accounts (from local news organizations without agenda) cite multiple shooters in military-like garb. For now, I reserve judgement on those reports. My intent here is not to debunk the official narrative; it is far too soon to dub this tragedy a false-flag or a conspiracy; the point is, if anything, the actions of this gunman (if this is indeed an organic attack) are the result of diabolical social engineers weaving a campaign of mass public perception. If the tragedy unfolded as reported, it is the media and their underlying political interests who are responsible for inciting racial division and radicalizing this young man; it is not the current government embracing White Nationalism.

I would also point out to any observers tempted to conflate the current political controversy surrounding immigration into America with White Nationalism (another media fallacy) that America is and always has been the "Great Melting Pot" of all races, creeds, and colors. This used to be the extent of the propaganda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQl6XBo64M) we were spoon fed as kids before the agenda changed. As a culture, we pride ourselves on diversity of peoples who maintain a foundation of homogeneous values. Herein is a critical distinction. The political establishment and its propaganda apparatus has co-oped this idea for political expediency to falsely imply America (and especially America in the Age of Trump) is a homogeneous people (White Europeans) who maintain a foundation of diverse values. The latter iteration is complete rubbish and utterly false. Period. The only homogeneous quality to those immigrating into America has nothing whatsoever to do with race, color, or creed; it has to do with political culture and values, i.e. the culture and libertarian values of a system of Constitutional Republic by and for the people. Our nation has a legal immigration process in place to ensure successful acclimation into American culture that has been the law of the land for decades before the Age of Trump. Call it quaint (and perhaps a failed experiment), but we Americans believe in individual liberty and inalienable rights. As the current law stands, those who wish to become Americans must first share these values. It is absolutely astounding the media continually twists immigration into an issue of race. Immigration has everything to do with the former and nothing to do with the latter. The political establishment, however, would like to convince you otherwise and has been attempting to strip us plebs of these inalienable rights ever since we staked a claim to them and proclaimed they were granted to us by God, and not by the State.

There may be a growing trend of White Nationalists and I assume more tragedies like this might follow. But we need to understand the true origin of this development. Even if the rise of White Nationalism is a response to the broken immigration system and those exploiting the broken system for political expediency, it has nothing to do with the political climate in America "embracing White Nationalism." It has everything to do with the media, its agitprop tactics radicalizing a false narrative, and the underlying agenda. We need to keep our eye on the ball here....

So far it seems far many of us are taking the bait.

[mountain_jim]

On a related note (imho)

https://theralphretort.com/did-right-wing-watchs-jared-holt-inspire-the-dayton-killer-0804019/



The other day, before the two major shootings this weekend, the topic of the blame game that always comes up in the aftermath of such tragedies was broached on my Twitter timeline. I mentioned how I was sick and tired of it, on both sides. That was not a rhetorical play. I actually was, and am, sick of it. Sadly, the same can’t be said of activist hacks like Jared Holt, who writes for the disgusting propaganda website, Right Wing Watch.

He’s spent the weekend trying to blame various people and entities for the El Paso shooting. 8chan, Mike Cernovich, Ali Alexander, “white nationalism,”…pretty much anything or anyone he doesn’t like. He’s shamelessly tried to use a national tragedy to advance his political goals. This is precisely what I was talking about with my tweets on the subject.

But, you know, if it’s OK for Mr. Holt to play the game, maybe we should look at his own connections? Earlier today, it was discovered that the Dayton killer, Connor Betts, was a radical leftist Satan worshipper (not kidding) who posted about attacking ICE facilities and “kill[ing] every fascist,” among other gems. Not only that, he also followed the events in El Paso very closely. He was liking posts from various lefties who were sharing their thoughts on the situation.

…

That would be bad enough, considering Holt’s strategy to smear his political opponents with crimes they had absolutely nothing to do with. But Hide It Quick Holt decided to take it one step further when he thought no one was looking. Jared went and blocked the shooter’s Twitter account so that his retweets of Holt would no long show up on his timeline. Thankfully, my good friend Gator was there to catch him in the act.
Absolutely destroyed…



So, by Jared Holt’s own logic, not only did he seemingly inspire a mass murderer IN REAL TIME, he also went back and tried to delete the evidence that proves his connection to the heinous act. Is this an example of the famous journalistic ethics I’m always hearing so much about?!
Again, we’re just using his own standard, ladies and gentlemen! How much blood is on Holt’s hands? I’m sure the media will be reporting on this as breathlessly as they have 8chan…the day after Hell freezes over.

[PurpleLama]

I am surprised to find no one mentioning the eye witness reports of multiple shooters, dressed head to toe in black and wearing masks. There were 4 different accounts of such I came across over the weekend, from local, not national, media sources.

[Deux Corbeaux]

Here’s an account of MSNBC about reports of multiple shooters.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/breaking-active-shooter-situation-in-el-paso-tx-have-reports-of-multiple-shooters-65258565695

Active shooter situation in El Paso, TX, police have 'reports of multiple shooters'

“An active shooter near the area of a shopping mall in El Paso is drawing a response from multiple law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. El Paso police tweeted at about noon local time that they have "reports of multiple shooters." “


Update ...... Mmmm

El Paso police: One in custody, reports of multiple shooters appear inaccurate

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/el-paso-police-one-in-custody-reports-of-multiple-shooters-appear-inaccurate-65260102000

???

Another one of multiple shooters.

https://rapida.co/multiple-shooters-reported-at-el-paso-texas-walmart/

[T Smith]

I am surprised to find no one mentioning the eye witness reports of multiple shooters, dressed head to toe in black and wearing masks. There were 4 different accounts of such I came across over the weekend, from local, not national, media sources.

Because it's a third rail. We all know what happened when Alex Jones questioned Sandy Hook. That was basically the torpedo that sank (or at the very least crippled) his ship.

Of course Alex may have approached his skepticism with too much impassioned vigor (maybe not the best way to win friends and influence people); but in any case we are all slowly being conditioned to be good little plebs, to keep ourselves in line, to keep quiet, and to not question anything we're being told.

[Praxis]

The many thing you said

The long and short of it Macy is: his actions tells his beliefs not his words. Yeah he has paid attention to history and can analyze economic trends. Big woop.
It does not matter that he got anything correct. His actions made all his words Garbage.

He lost all points and value to me when he drove to a town closer to the border to murder brown people because there would be more brown people there.

Actions are far more important than beliefs or words.

I bet all his left wing talking points are gonna be twisted by the Q people to say that Dems MKULTRAed this dude and it is just further proof that Trump is seen as dangerous to THEM therefore this all just proves that Trump is the best thing ever.


And since you mentioned Northwoods, I happen to be writing something about that so I already have the juicy bits. Yall really should take the time to read these three pages.

What I put there was all the suggestions so you can see that Macy is making a VERY VERY good point. This is Northwoods stuff.

But what we should be worried about, and I have been since 9-11, is the turning terrorism to the domestic kind so that we can become even more of a prison state.

You know that southern border wall that people with very low intelligence want? The Wall that keeps them out also keeps us in.

[Praxis]

So far it seems far many of us taking the bait

The war on drugs we know was specifically created with the goal of neutralizing the anti war movement(hippies) and the black community. We know the CIA used crack as a social disruption device. Nixon Chief of staff let us in on this. We know this.

If you look at sentencing for drug crimes, powder cocaine(an upper class drug) is punished less than crack ( generally a lower class drug).
If you look at the prison pop, the numbers also tell a racist story.

You think I am talking just about this current president that is most definitely using white nationalism calling cards. No, this is systemic. It is not just any one admin. It is all of them to greater or lesser degree.

I am not going to engage with most of your argument as I dont find it necessary. Needless to say, this didnt start with Trump, but he is certainly using it to his advantage.

[Arcturian108]

Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgetv.net has a great video up this morning about the anomalies in the El Paso shooting:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/el-paso-shooters-father-was-a-therapist-tied-to-john-of-god/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=El+Paso+Shooter%27s+Father+Was+a+Ther apist+Tied+to+John+of+God

One thing in the video that I never heard before is that government agencies for the past many decades have placed large quantities of fully automatic weapons in boxes around inner city train stations for mainly blacks to find and use as they wish. Sounds a little like the "Fast and Furious" operation that was uncovered, doesn't It?

[Deux Corbeaux]

Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgetv.net has a great video up this morning about the anomalies in the El Paso shooting:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/el-paso-shooters-father-was-a-therapist-tied-to-john-of-god/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=El+Paso+Shooter%27s+Father+Was+a+Ther apist+Tied+to+John+of+God

One thing in the video that I never heard before is that government agencies for the past many decades have placed large quantities of fully automatic weapons in boxes around inner city train stations for mainly blacks to find and use as they wish. Sounds a little like the "Fast and Furious" operation that was uncovered, doesn't It?

Thanks Arcturian. This is the YouTube that was in the link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFBs05I_SM

[T Smith]

The war on drugs we know was specifically created with the goal of neutralizing the anti war movement(hippies) and the black community. We know the CIA used crack as a social disruption device. Nixon Chief of staff let us in on this. We know this.



The CIA is a rogue organization directly counter the national interests of United States of America and other nations of the world. You might think of the CIA as a cancer that has invaded a host body. I'm a little unclear how this relates to my comments, but I think we're in agreement.




If you look at sentencing for drug crimes, powder cocaine(an upper class drug) is punished less than crack ( generally a lower class drug).
If you look at the prison pop, the numbers also tell a racist story.



Again, we are in agreement. You are presenting a socioeconomic observation, which disproportionately effects people of color, which describes a condition of systemic racism, not White Nationalism. Systemic racism and White Nationalism are two different things with critical distinctions. See this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism).





You think I am talking just about this current president that is most definitely using white nationalism calling cards.



Here we can agree to disagree. The current President may be using nationalism calling cards, and I think we would agree he is using these cards more than his predecessors before him, but I don't see any connection with those cards with "White Nationalism" per se. Nationalism--save for extreme right versions of it, e.g. Hitler's Third Reich for example, has nothing to do with race. It has to do with cultural values. I would submit to you the idea of Nationalism has been co-opted by propagandists to mean "White Nationalism", mainly because pushing the narrative to the extreme right is very effective and convenient to spin an agenda counter to nationalism, e.g. neo-feudal globalism to be precise, but a critical examination of Nationalism--and especially as the current POTUS employs his rhetoric--has nothing to do with Whiteness. It has to do with the ideology of preserving the cultural values of liberty and individual determination.

I challenge those who too readily embrace the presuppositions delivered and implanted by the current public relations campaign afoot to examine their givens. That said, one can certainly agree or disagree with the idea of Nationalism, but to modify the idea as "White Nationalism" is dishonest and inaccurate.

If you want to continue this discussion, by all means PM me. As always, I'm open to learning where I might be misguided in judgement.

Kind Regards,

T Smith

[funkpunk46]

Also, why would someone that thougtful then decide to blast away at a store full of people? For what ultimate end? To get his manifesto out there that shows he cares for this country and its people? Even though he just randomly (we'd assume) shot into a crowded public place?

Doesn't add up. At all.

It's pretty obvious that you didn't read the whole thing. He claims that he's going after the "low hanging fruit" as a means of putting fear into the hearts of immigrants, to hopefully discourage further immigration or inspire them to return to their home countries out of fear. In other words: dumb-**** nonsense.

[funkpunk46]

Before it was taken down, his FB page did not exhibit such an intelligent, perfect, "no error" writing style.
just saying...

Nope - I just read through the entire trash pile of a "manifesto" and found several spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors, including missing words. Seems to me that he wrote this some time before his murder spree and was able to go back and proofread it at least once before posting it.

[Mark]

Needless to say, this didnt start with Trump, but he is certainly using it to his advantage.

There is a growing trend of white nationalism. And also direct, unadulterated racism, hatred expressed toward the Other. I do appreciate T Smith's point about how some of what is being mistaken for racism is, in fact, a disdain for for those who do not fully take on American culture. It would be really something if Drumpf ended up being the President who started rounding up weapons. These attacks are only going to increase in ferocity and number.

[funkpunk46]

So I just wasted part of my lunch hour reading this horribly written manifesto and just wanted to point out a few things that stuck out to me:

1. Another member stated "Before it was taken down, his FB page did not exhibit such an intelligent, perfect, "no error" writing style. just saying..." - If you read through the entire thing, you'll find several spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors, including missing words. It's totally possible that this asshole wrote the thing, ate a boring a spaghetti dinner (or maybe it was gas station hot dogs - we'll never know), then came back to proofread it, and still missed several things.

2. The baby boomers aren't dead. Sure, they're in retirement, but he speaks about this as if all baby boomers are passed on and here the rest of us are, pissing away the future. Not true.

3. This guy is depressed and has a death wish. He talks about a hopeless future for himself and his imaginary cohorts at several places in this drivel. For instance:
"The Democrat party will own America and they know it." - Sure, he hates both parties, but clearly states that the "Democrat" Party would be the end of America for white people.
"Continued immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse." - he then relates this to the loss of low-skilled labor, which is the only type of work he's ever shown to have held, based on his facebook and LinkedIn pages.
"My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn’t exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup which will hasten the destruction of our country. " - hopelessness with regard to his future
"The environment is getting worse by the year. " Hopelessness.
"Our European comrades don’t have the gun rights needed to repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch their countries burn." - "if not me then who" logic.
"My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case is far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. [paragraph break] Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow." - He's ready to die, ya'll.

4. "Automation can and would replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants were deported. This source of competition for skilled labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse for natives as they compete in the skilled job market." - just wanted to point out this nonsensical statement. He begins by discussing the loss of low-skilled jobs due to automation as a hypothetical, then immediately begins to address it as something that has already taken place. Disorganized thinking and language - NOT error-free or thoughtful.

5. "America can only be destroyed from the inside-out. If our country falls, it will be the fault of traitors. This is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this isn’t an act of imperialism but an act of preservation." THIS MAKES NO ACTUAL SENSE.

6. He also makes a few statements that he fails to back up, such as: "Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it." What sources? WHERE? and "America is full of hypocrites who will blast my actions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause." What evidence? He didn't have time to cite it?

7. He was definitely a white supremacist, based on what's written in his manifesto about race mixing and establishing a confederacy of racially exclusive states.

I think the shooter wrote this document. I think he isn't a patsy and committed this act of his own volition. It's totally possible.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, that "manifesto" has some interesting things, I won't deny it.

But it's a giant red herring.

Also, why would someone that thougtful then decide to blast away at a store full of people? For what ultimate end? To get his manifesto out there that shows he cares for this country and its people? Even though he just randomly (we'd assume) shot into a crowded public place?

Doesn't add up. At all.

One should not assume that being able to write down a thought makes a person sane. Those who are mentally ill, for example schizophrenics (yeah, I know it's an outmoded label - now called "Disordered Thinking Syndrome", but it'll do for here) are some of the most thoughtful people in the world. They are FULL of thoughts, some of them quite cogent and valid. But some are fragments of irrationality. It's just that some mentally ill peoples' thoughts are too loosely connected (if at all), jumping to invalid conclusions based on their take on reality. The manifesto, then, is a thoughtful rendition of the shooter's observations and conclusions - they jsut don't completely mesh with what most of us think. Just as a paranoid schizophrenic will see a cop car and driving past his or her house and conclude that the police are keeping them under observation. S/he will be able to lucidly describe the event, but not arrive a valid conclusion as to its meaning. How he arrived at the solution of gunning down "invaders" speaks to demonic influences that he has been exposed to and bought into. His rampage makes perfect sense to him.

B.

[funkpunk46]

Yes, that "manifesto" has some interesting things, I won't deny it.

But it's a giant red herring.

Also, why would someone that thougtful then decide to blast away at a store full of people? For what ultimate end? To get his manifesto out there that shows he cares for this country and its people? Even though he just randomly (we'd assume) shot into a crowded public place?

Doesn't add up. At all.

One should not assume that being able to write down a thought makes a person sane. Those who are mentally ill, for example schizophrenics (yeah, I know it's an outmoded label - now called "Disordered Thinking Syndrome", but it'll do for here) are some of the most thoughtful people in the world. They are FULL of thoughts, some of them quite cogent and valid. But some are fragments of irrationality. It's just that some mentally ill peoples' thoughts are too loosely connected (if at all), jumping to invalid conclusions based on their take on reality. The manifesto, then, is a thoughtful rendition of the shooter's observations and conclusions - they jsut don't completely mesh with what most of us think. Just as a paranoid schizophrenic will see a cop car and driving past his or her house and conclude that the police are keeping them under observation. S/he will be able to lucidly describe the event, but not arrive a valid conclusion as to its meaning. How he arrived at the solution of gunning down "invaders" speaks to demonic influences that he has been exposed to and bought into. His rampage makes perfect sense to him.

B.

"Schizophrenia" is still a clinically accurate term that is still in use. I've worked in adult mental health for years now and this is the first mention of "Disordered Thinking Syndrome" I've come across, actually.

Also, the writer of the manifesto claims that he's going after the "low hanging fruit" as a means of putting fear into the hearts of immigrants, to hopefully discourage further immigration or inspire them to return to their home countries out of fear. In other words: dumb-**** nonsense. Also, if you read the manifesto, it has plenty of spelling errors, grammar errors, misused and missing words, and punctuation errors. It's not thoughtfully written at all, it's just drivel from a disturbed person with a death wish.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

MIKE ADAMS, THE HEALTH RANGER'S TAKE:

The official news narrative about the El Paso WalMart mass shooting is largely fabricated. Even though the violence was real, and people were really shot and killed, the narrative surrounding the tragedy is almost all fiction.

Five huge questions are screaming out for real answers:

#1) If there’s only one shooter, why did so many eyewitnesses report multiple shooters at the scene?

#2) Why did the local police arrest and hold three suspects in custody, as was widely reported by the media before the story was changed to a “lone shooter?”

#3) Why does the so-called “manifesto” appear to be written by someone far older than 21 years of age? (Answer: The manifesto is a hoax. It was not written by the individual who was arrested as the shooter.)

#4) How does one man kill 20 people and wound another 30 people with a single magazine that only holds 30 rounds? The surveillance photo shows no chest rig, no battle belt and no spare magazines.

#5) If the shooter is on a suicide mission, why does he bother to wear both eye protection and ear protection? Answer: Because he knows he will survive his “mission” and be taken into custody after surrendering to police. It wasn’t a suicide mission at all. Eighteen months from now, the world will have forgotten the name of the shooter, and the media will never report anything about him again. (He will likely be relocated under the witness protection program, living under a new identity after having completed his “mission” for the deep state.)

BONUS QUESTION: If you hate illegals and want to protect America, why would you mass murder Americans shopping in an American store? Wouldn’t you theoretically want to target illegal aliens if that’s who you want to destroy? Nearly all the people who were shot were Americans. It makes no sense to hate illegals and then turn around and mass murder Americans.

ONE MORE QUESTION: Why was the shooter’s online profile changed from “Democrat” to Republican / Trump supporter / QAnon follower? Clearly the deep state is modifying his online profile to match their own conspiracy theories and official narratives about QAnon followers being “domestic terrorists.” This is Orwellian-level psyop stuff being run on the entire nation…

In summary, the official narrative doesn’t add up. In fact, it’s all a “staged violence” event which combines real violence with a fake narrative to achieve a specific political purpose. In this case, the goal is the complete disarmament of the American people, blaming Trump for everything and positioning illegals as “victims” of a mass shooting when, in reality, it was Americans who were actually shot.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-03-five-questions-blow-apart-the-official-fake-news-narrative-el-paso-walmart-shooting.html

[mountain_jim]

Excuse the Q-researcher related content from outside of our sandbox, but this video is a must see, to blow this narrative out. (shooter arrest discrepancies, witness accounts, more).

(Later parts of video may be conjecture, but early parts assemble some of the witness and arrest videos/photos.)


I got this from Neon's GAB feed.


Normally Dave, from X22Reports, only does a daily "episode A" regarding economics, and "episode B" video regarding Deep State and Q.

Yesterday he did a "C" video which was only available on Bitchute. The "C" video was an unedited, full strength content that would never have been allowed on YouTube. He goes deep into how's and why's of what he thinks went down over the weekend.
#GreatAwakening
#QAnon

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6jBxoPIevJHk (https://www.bitchute.com/video/6jBxoPIevJHk/)


24 hour warning, we all knew it was going to happen. The DOJ is now looking into what has happened, take a look at the US attorney in Texas, is this a trap for the [DS]. The false flag event in El-Passo was a setup by the DS, the Russian collusion, obstruction stories have fallen apart. The [DS] cannot impeach. The lawsuits against Trump are being dropped. The [DS] pulled off an event to trap Trump, Qanon and patriots, but this might have backfired on them. Q knew that this was going to happen, it was aloud to play out, now the DOJ, US attorney in Texas is investigating.

All source links to the report can be found on the x22report.com site.

Most of artwork that are included with these videos have been created by X22 Report and they are used as a representation of the subject matter. The representative artwork included with these videos shall not be construed as the actual events that are taking place.

[T Smith]

The murderous actions of a handful of mentally-disturbed radicals (one of whom happened to author a manifesto reminiscent of Mein Kampf), and assuming these are indeed organic attacks and not some form of orchestrated psyop, does not provide ample evidence, in my humble view, that we are trending toward systemic white nationalism anymore than a random series of vampire attacks (https://nypost.com/2016/02/01/series-of-female-vampire-like-attackers-seen-in-new-zealand/) in New Zealand indicate their country is being overtaken by vampirism. The shooting attacks this past weekend, while horrific and senseless, are anecdotal evidence of White Nationalism, not systemic evidence of White Nationalism.

However, I do appreciate the above posts and observations and acknowledge White Nationalism (and hatred and racism) does exist, but I would rather characterize these observations as perceptions through a giant (and contrived) magnifying lens that has amplified reality a thousandfold or more. In such case the observer has honed in on valid observations, but their synopsis is nonetheless an invalid representation of society at large. This is the power of propaganda and mediated experience; those operating the magnifying apparatus have the power to skew the resolution of reality itself to advance a specific agenda.

It would be helpful, though, for me, if those who truly believe we are trending more toward White Nationalism and hatred in the Age of Trump to define exactly what White Nationalism is, what they believe has specifically changed or is changing and why, and what constitutes the hatred of Other. I think that may be the only way to proceed with any kind of meaningful conversation about exactly what is going on here.

[T Smith]

I was aware of the eye-witness reports yesterday, but the previous two posts by Ba-ba-Ra and mountain_jim are very compelling. Sort of negates my previous argument altogether if the "White Nationalist" they're exploiting to push the narrative is either an entirely fictitious creation or nothing but a patsy...

[funkpunk46]

MIKE ADAMS, THE HEALTH RANGER'S TAKE:

The official news narrative about the El Paso WalMart mass shooting is largely fabricated. Even though the violence was real, and people were really shot and killed, the narrative surrounding the tragedy is almost all fiction.

Five huge questions are screaming out for real answers:

#1) If there’s only one shooter, why did so many eyewitnesses report multiple shooters at the scene?

#2) Why did the local police arrest and hold three suspects in custody, as was widely reported by the media before the story was changed to a “lone shooter?”

#3) Why does the so-called “manifesto” appear to be written by someone far older than 21 years of age? (Answer: The manifesto is a hoax. It was not written by the individual who was arrested as the shooter.)

#4) How does one man kill 20 people and wound another 30 people with a single magazine that only holds 30 rounds? The surveillance photo shows no chest rig, no battle belt and no spare magazines.

#5) If the shooter is on a suicide mission, why does he bother to wear both eye protection and ear protection? Answer: Because he knows he will survive his “mission” and be taken into custody after surrendering to police. It wasn’t a suicide mission at all. Eighteen months from now, the world will have forgotten the name of the shooter, and the media will never report anything about him again. (He will likely be relocated under the witness protection program, living under a new identity after having completed his “mission” for the deep state.)

BONUS QUESTION: If you hate illegals and want to protect America, why would you mass murder Americans shopping in an American store? Wouldn’t you theoretically want to target illegal aliens if that’s who you want to destroy? Nearly all the people who were shot were Americans. It makes no sense to hate illegals and then turn around and mass murder Americans.

ONE MORE QUESTION: Why was the shooter’s online profile changed from “Democrat” to Republican / Trump supporter / QAnon follower? Clearly the deep state is modifying his online profile to match their own conspiracy theories and official narratives about QAnon followers being “domestic terrorists.” This is Orwellian-level psyop stuff being run on the entire nation…

In summary, the official narrative doesn’t add up. In fact, it’s all a “staged violence” event which combines real violence with a fake narrative to achieve a specific political purpose. In this case, the goal is the complete disarmament of the American people, blaming Trump for everything and positioning illegals as “victims” of a mass shooting when, in reality, it was Americans who were actually shot.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-03-five-questions-blow-apart-the-official-fake-news-narrative-el-paso-walmart-shooting.html

Based on the number of spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, along with misused and missing words, I would definitely guess that the writer of that manifesto could have been 21 years of age. Ideas are presented in a disorganized fashion - even with subject headings. He mentions "sources" and "extensive evidence" but never cites them and introduces ideas that make no sense and are never elaborated upon. A kid definitely could've written that.

Also, he likely wore eye and ear protection in order to stay coherent and able to fire his weapon for as long as possible - he also mentions having to wear heat-resistant gloves because of the tendency of his firearm to overheat in his manifesto. It's all just a practicl tactic to keep himself able to accurately kill as many people as possible.

Also, he could have had spare ammunition in his pockets which would not be easily viewable on a security camera.

RE: bonus question - in his manifesto he clearly states that he wants his act to strike fear in the hearts of immigrants in order to motiviate them to leave the US. He says it plainly.

Lastly - people change. Many far right extemists start out in more liberal circles. Look at the Proud Boys and the "Unite the Right" crowds.

What's the source for "eyewitness" claims of multiple shooters? Did it ever occur to the writer of that article that others were detained because the police had *no clue* what was going on and even they didn't know how many shooters there were initially? A single automatic firearm can make enough noise, especially indoors, for it to sound like multiple weapons. Anyone who's been on an indoor shooting range would know that.

[T Smith]

Based on the number of spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, along with misused and missing words, I would definitely guess that the writer of that manifesto could have been 21 years of age. Ideas are presented in a disorganized fashion - even with subject headings. He mentions "sources" and "extensive evidence" but never cites them and introduces ideas that make no sense and are never elaborated upon. A kid definitely could've written that.

Also, he likely wore eye and ear protection in order to stay coherent and able to fire his weapon for as long as possible - he also mentions having to wear heat-resistant gloves because of the tendency of his firearm to overheat in his manifesto. It's all just a practicl tactic to keep himself able to accurately kill as many people as possible.

Also, he could have had spare ammunition in his pockets which would not be easily viewable on a security camera.

RE: bonus question - in his manifesto he clearly states that he wants his act to strike fear in the hearts of immigrants in order to motiviate them to leave the US. He says it plainly.

Lastly - people change. Many far right extemists start out in more liberal circles. Look at the Proud Boys and the "Unite the Right" crowds.

What's the source for "eyewitness" claims of multiple shooters? Did it ever occur to the writer of that article that others were detained because the police had *no clue* what was going on and even they didn't know how many shooters there were initially? A single automatic firearm can make enough noise, especially indoors, for it to sound like multiple weapons. Anyone who's been on an indoor shooting range would know that.

These are all possible explanations, yes. But the most compelling information to the contrary--discounting the possibilities you mention--is multiple eye-witness accounts (desperate sources) that all describe men in black with black masks with guns storming the store. How do we explain that? The source is in local news interviews... I've seen more than one myself (some likely already scrubbed if we look for them). Are they all mistaken with the same observations? What are the odds of that? Or simply false? Couple that with all the other anomalies and it's looking very much like some kind of psyop. Who knows the what or why of it, but it's looking more like a Northwoods kind of operation to me the more I look at it. Even if the main suspect is a 20-something right-wing Nazi, my feeling is he has been used or duped for a larger operation. Is it not possible--indeed probable--that something more is afoot here?

I understand the path of least resistance is to explain these shootings, per the official narrative, as right-wing extremism. That explanation, however, is wrapped in a very neat and convenient package for the those advancing their agenda. Kind of like a big hunk of savory and delicious cheese on a mouse trap. Do we really want to go for that?

[Kalamos]

... most compelling information to the contrary--discounting the possibilities you mention--is multiple eye-witness accounts (desperate sources) that all describe men in black with black masks with guns storming the store.

Sounds like maybe the Swat Team?

[T Smith]

... most compelling information to the contrary--discounting the possibilities you mention--is multiple eye-witness accounts (desperate sources) that all describe men in black with black masks with guns storming the store.

Sounds like maybe the Swat Team?

I thought of that, too... except according to the eye witness accounts, it was before the shootings began

[waves]

Is it blatant arrogance and recklessness that doubles as an FU to the people resisting gun control to so obviously stage these three shootings (Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton) one after another with the mysterious 'shooters' all looking exactly alike?

Are they saying "how stupid are you all?" or "your resistance is futile, look what we can get away with and it's only a matter of time until we get what we want" or are they just tired of waiting and ramping up the agenda.

It's a bit scary that from now until the next election they desperately don't want to lose, I'm worried about all the more fake things that will ramp up in an effort to put Trump in a corner or bad light.

https://i.postimg.cc/hjs8JKhr/3-shooters.jpg

[mountain_jim]

I am not a chan researcher/reader, but I am aware that FBI ****e-posting to set the place up for a fall was proven previously by the anons there.



Posted in Great Awakening
@FA355 Remember the shooting (CA bar last year I think) where Fibbie was busted stirring stuff up?

Posted in Great Awakening
@FA355 D) FBI itself posted

Posted in Great Awakening
@FA355 - and then, surprise, surprise, 8-chan gets yanked down before the Anons can do any more digging or disseminate the truth about the shooting.


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[Tintin]

This is the power of propaganda and mediated experience; those operating the magnifying apparatus have the power to skew the resolution of reality itself to advance a specific agenda.

It would be helpful, though, for me, if those who truly believe we are trending more toward White Nationalism and hatred in the Age of Trump to define exactly what White Nationalism is, what they believe has specifically changed or is changing and why, and what constitutes the hatred of Other. I think that may be the only way to proceed with any kind of meaningful conversation about exactly what is going on here.

This last paragraph leaps out as really one of the most astute I've seen anywhere here - thank you :star: I really couldn't agree more.

Definitions here, and clear ones, really do need to be made.

[Caliban]

I suggest you all go over, if you haven't already, to Jim Stone's site: http://82.221.129.208/.we5.html

He's doing some great work finding and gathering information over there. Look at his stuff on the Ohio shooter who apparently died in 2014. Look at the local Fox news clip from Saturday where the anchor is about to announce another Walmart shooting -- except it wasn't supposed to happen yet and she announced it too early!! Echoes of WTC 7 and BBC?

I think we should be careful of throwing punches at opponents who aren't there.

[Praxis]

Needless to say, this didnt start with Trump, but he is certainly using it to his advantage.

There is a growing trend of white nationalism. And also direct, unadulterated racism, hatred expressed toward the Other. I do appreciate T Smith's point about how some of what is being mistaken for racism is, in fact, a disdain for for those who do not fully take on American culture. It would be really something if Drumpf ended up being the President who started rounding up weapons. These attacks are only going to increase in ferocity and number.

It is the people who put immigrants in cages just for wanting a better life that are anti American culture.

Give me your poor huddle masses yearning to be free. That is American. What is American culture? It is liberty equality and justice for all. American culture is the culture of you get to be you and do your thing as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights for the same thing. America doesnt have a culture in the sense you are thinking and that is what makes it so strong. All cultures can come here if they are willing to live with others. If you accept those three principles for ALL PEOPLE that is American.

A legal immigrant is one who accepts these three ideas. An illegal immigrant rejects them. I find many citizens to actually be illegal immigrants.

I find T Smith lines of argument to be disingenuous. He is gaslighting us. There are obvious examples of Trump using white nationalism talking points, like calling it an invasion and that they will overrun the country, and here T smith is asking where the evidence of it is. Trump literally chuckled at the idea of them being shot, i am sure you saw the video.

Literally a dude spouts off race war stuff straight from Storm Front talking points, BTW did you know that "There is a storm coming" is a white nationalist calling card?, then drives closer to the border so there would be more brown people to murder and he is asking where is the white nationalism and hatred of the other we are talking about.

Eric Gardner is dead because of skin color. The person who took the video of that man dying is in prison for videoing it. The cop that did it is free. This is not the only example of this kind of thing.

If one can not see the systemic racism and hatred in our society, then one is trying not to see it.

[Mark]

The murderous actions of a handful of mentally-disturbed radicals (one of whom happened to author a manifesto reminiscent of Mein Kampf), and assuming these are indeed organic attacks and not some form of orchestrated psyop, does not provide ample evidence, in my humble view, that we are trending toward systemic white nationalism anymore than a random series of vampire attacks (https://nypost.com/2016/02/01/series-of-female-vampire-like-attackers-seen-in-new-zealand/) in New Zealand indicate their country is being overtaken by vampirism. The shooting attacks this past weekend, while horrific and senseless, are anecdotal evidence of White Nationalism, not systemic evidence of White Nationalism.

Ok. I disagree profoundly, obviously.

What would be evidence that you would consider to be tantamount to White Nationalism rising in the United States? This question asked in the context of increasing hate crimes (https://www.wsj.com/articles/hate-crimes-are-real-and-theyre-increasing-11562786479). And, the American system of governance has an inherent propensity toward White Nationalism and always has. Do you disagree with that also? By "increasing", I suppose what is actually happening is that we are returning to a form that has been true of America for quite a time, in all actually, since the nation's founding. So perhaps "rising" is the wrong way to put it. Perhaps, making America great again is what is going on instead?


However, I do appreciate the above posts and observations and acknowledge White Nationalism (and hatred and racism) does exist, but I would rather characterize these observations as perceptions through a giant (and contrived) magnifying lens that has amplified reality a thousandfold or more.

That is patently false. Nothing is amplified. If anything, it is undercounted and under acknowledged. Even with the proliferation of phones in today's society, many racially-based aggression happen on the personal level that are not reported or counted in some formal fashion. When the norm is Eurocentric, and people outside of the norm engage and interact, the norm is then taken to be the single and predominant methodology through which culture is expressed, which is also, and has always been, false in these United States.



In such case the observer has honed in on valid observations, but their synopsis is nonetheless an invalid representation of society at large. This is the power of propaganda and mediated experience; those operating the magnifying apparatus have the power to skew the resolution of reality itself to advance a specific agenda.

You seem to totally be discounting personal and group experience. Lived experience, which is par the course in Academia and in the discourse of those who observe from the outside and do not experience life as lived from the perspective of those Other from themselves. There may be an agenda, sure, but that agenda has some real world consequences for real people and that agenda certainly cannot be traced back through hundreds of years of lived experience of racism and white nationalism. For those of you who think that, you continue to live in a Dreamworld of your own and your paradigm's construction.


It would be helpful, though, for me, if those who truly believe we are trending more toward White Nationalism and hatred in the Age of Trump to define exactly what White Nationalism is, what they believe has specifically changed or is changing and why, and what constitutes the hatred of Other. I think that may be the only way to proceed with any kind of meaningful conversation about exactly what is going on here.

You go look it up yourself. And then, paint yourself black like this gentleman did and go outside and see if you experience a world where white nationalism does not exist.

Ww0q4XhxPAA

[funkpunk46]

These are all possible explanations, yes. But the most compelling information to the contrary--discounting the possibilities you mention--is multiple eye-witness accounts (desperate sources) that all describe men in black with black masks with guns storming the store. How do we explain that? The source is in local news interviews... I've seen more than one myself (some likely already scrubbed if we look for them). Are they all mistaken with the same observations? What are the odds of that? Or simply false? Couple that with all the other anomalies and it's looking very much like some kind of psyop. Who knows the what or why of it, but it's looking more like a Northwoods kind of operation to me the more I look at it. Even if the main suspect is a 20-something right-wing Nazi, my feeling is he has been used or duped for a larger operation. Is it not possible--indeed probable--that something more is afoot here?

I understand the path of least resistance is to explain these shootings, per the official narrative, as right-wing extremism. That explanation, however, is wrapped in a very neat and convenient package for the those advancing their agenda. Kind of like a big hunk of savory and delicious cheese on a mouse trap. Do we really want to go for that?

Do you have any proof of these eyewitness statements other than your word? I'd be happy to view and consider them, but I'm not going to believe what is basically hearsay (and neither should any reasonable person). I haven't seen any eyewitness statements or on-scene interviews mentioning multiple shooters, and interestingly enough, the site that makes these claims offers no evidence to support them. I did my own search and found no claims of multiple shooters or men in black masks "storming" the scene before the shooting began, in fact people specifically mention only 1 shooter, though I did find a BBC story with a headline stating that the shooter was killed, which is not true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just shady statements accusing those who don't agree with you of somehow being gullible or blind.

[T Smith]

What is American culture? It is liberty equality and justice for all. American culture is the culture of you get to be you and do your thing as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights for the same thing. America doesnt have a culture in the sense you are thinking and that is what makes it so strong. All cultures can come here if they are willing to live with others. If you accept those three principles for ALL PEOPLE that is American.



Hello Praxis,

I'm assuming this post may be a response to my last observations regarding your comments. First off, I want to thank you for engaging in the discussion; though we disagree on some points we certainly agree on others and I appreciate your viewpoint. This is a very important topic and we all have something important to say in the process of finding synthesis.

In regard to the comments above, I don't see where we are in disagreement. You have said all the things I have said, e.g. American culture is liberty, equality, and justice for all. I would argue your own words comprise the most compelling argument for the process of legal immigration vs. organic immigration, e.g., "... all cultures can come here if they....accept those three principles..." Exactly.

Questions to consider: should we allow all people into our society and culture who do not share these values? This is a sincere question, albeit somewhat distasteful to our sensibilities, for what we are really asking is, are there any circumstance where discrimination is justified? What about folks who do not believe in liberty, equality, and justice for all? Should we discriminate against them or open our arms to them, and if we choose the latter, or don't ensure a defense against the latter, as your own words seem to suggest, what might the social consequences be to the fabric of our culture and way of life? I'm sure I needn't point out to you that there are many, many peoples and cultures all over the world that do not embrace the values you point out we Americans do, where women and minorities are physically subjugated, where justice is subverted, where unfavorable sexual orientation can result in death or torture. Should we allow these values en masse into our culture? I understand there are some people who do not believe in borders--and we can certainly discuss these ideas--but if we conclude we should maintain some kind of border how do we know people immigrating into America for a so-called "better way of life" share our values? The answer is, by process of legal immigration, which is really another way of saying by the process of polite discrimination. The whole purpose of legal immigration, then, is to assure disparate peoples and cultures share our American values and will successfully acclimate into our own culture without adulterating the idea of liberty, equality, and justice for all. This is the very point I made in my previous post, and unless I've misread your words, I believe we are in agreement.

All said I cannot emphasis the point enough, as this one point is continually twisted and misappropriated (which is where I believe we may diverge in viewpoint) via propaganda and social engineers with a sinister agenda to break down the fabric of the collective values upon which we both agree. Specifically, those with the agenda to manipulate our sensibilities continually gaslight us by subtly interchanging the idea of "American values", which you defined above, with the spurious idea of "American Whiteness", which is complete nonsense. This is a psyop and a very sophisticated way to manipulate the mind to reject American values by first convincing it that what it is really rejecting is "American Whiteness". The latter idea (pushed 24/7 by MSM and the propagandist apparatus of the established Power Structure) is not only divisive and balkanizing, it's also absurd. With all due respect to your viewpoint, this is where you and others are misguided or misinformed: immigration has nothing whatsoever to do with race, color, creed, what kind of food you like, what kind of God you pray to, what kind of rituals or song or dance you subscribe to, as long as at the beginning of the day one embraces liberty, equality, and justice for all. Please bear in mind I am advancing this argument using your words, not mine.



I find many citizens to actually be illegal immigrants.

By definition that they don't embrace the American way of life as you have advanced... again, agreed. We should call them out, and truth be told, doing so is actually what political dialog and political discourse is all about. It is what the 1st Amendment is about and freedom of speech is about. There are entire political parties--especially at the extreme fringe of the political spectrum on both left and right--that do not embrace American values. Let's keep the dialog open (and assure we maintain a culture that embraces the idea) so to not tip the scale to either end of the extreme...



I find T Smith lines of argument to be disingenuous. He is gaslighting us. There are obvious examples of Trump using white nationalism talking points, like calling it an invasion and that they will overrun the country, and here T smith is asking where the evidence of it is. Trump literally chuckled at the idea of them being shot, i am sure you saw the video.

Yes, I am asking you to question your perceptions, how they were formed, and what assumptions you may or may not have accepted on the foundation of givens you may not have fully examined, but respectfully, I'm not gaslighting. That's something entirely different. And the truth is, I'm not even asking you or others with differing ideas to agree with any or all of my own viewpoints. I'm just asking you to question your assumptions, some of which, in my view, are misguided and spurious.

For example, yes, Trump has used the word "invasion"... and I'm not saying I necessarily agree with his rhetoric or style of communication, but I'm assuming you have seen these photos (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/trump-military-caravan-migrants-945683), and here (https://litci.org/en/latin-americans-stand-up-and-fight-back-immigration-policies/52114-la-caravana-migrante-reanudo-su-marcha-por-mexico-otros-regresan-a-honduras/)? Would it be more tasteful if he used the word "crisis" as the left does? Maybe. We are splitting hairs with semantics. This has been dubbed an "invasion" not only by Trump, but by numerous media outlets and journalists. Perhaps you believe all these reports are by White Nationalists by your definitions. And we can certainly discuss or condemn the use of the word "invasion," if you wish, but my argument here isn't whether or not the influx of people crossing the southern border en masse has employed the appropriate term. My argument is with your assumptions. You are assuming, by "invasion", or "crisis", or whatever word one wishes to use, that the terminology automatically denounces and rebukes people of color. You are assuming those who take issue with what they can see with their own eyes (https://tennesseestar.com/2018/11/21/commentary-the-truth-about-the-invasion-heading-toward-the-southern-border/) contain a specific hidden prejudice against brown people or a specific hidden prejudice against "non-White" people. How did you come to this given? Are there any specific remarks or examples that rebuke people of color rather than rebuke a group of people crossing the boarder en masse? Something Trump may have said because of their brown skin maybe? What am I missing? I have never heard Trump condemn the brown skin of the people crossing the boarder (if I am mistaken, by all means, please cite) so I would ask, how exactly did you come to this assumption? Unless there is something specific, I would submit this is a false connection that has been implanted in your consciousness and has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color. Put another way, if this was a group of White European men we would be having the same exact discussion. I promise you we would.

With all due respect, this is not about race, brown skin, white skin, or racism. This is about cultural adulteration, not White adulteration, and specifically about the adulteration of liberty, justice, and equality for all.

[Deux Corbeaux]

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Do you have any proof of these eyewitness statements other than your word? I'd be happy to view and consider them, but I'm not going to believe what is basically hearsay (and neither should any reasonable person). I haven't seen any eyewitness statements or on-scene interviews mentioning multiple shooters, and interestingly enough, the site that makes these claims offers no evidence to support them. I did my own search and found no claims of multiple shooters or men in black masks "storming" the scene before the shooting began, in fact people specifically mention only 1 shooter, though I did find a BBC story with a headline stating that the shooter was killed, which is not true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just shady statements accusing those who don't agree with you of somehow being gullible or blind.

Here’s a link to the Daily Mail for you.
Scroll down to the video : “Witness describes tense moments during El Paso shooting.”

I don’t know if the witness is truthful or the whole thing is staged. That’s always the problem with events like this.

I was surprised to see so little panic and so little blood for the sort of weapon that was used.
Also strange the way the arm of the injured woman was taped. With a sort of black tape ...



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7317905/El-Paso-police-say-theres-active-shooter-local-mall.html#v-1095849101931856524

[T Smith]

These are all possible explanations, yes. But the most compelling information to the contrary--discounting the possibilities you mention--is multiple eye-witness accounts (desperate sources) that all describe men in black with black masks with guns storming the store. How do we explain that? The source is in local news interviews... I've seen more than one myself (some likely already scrubbed if we look for them). Are they all mistaken with the same observations? What are the odds of that? Or simply false? Couple that with all the other anomalies and it's looking very much like some kind of psyop. Who knows the what or why of it, but it's looking more like a Northwoods kind of operation to me the more I look at it. Even if the main suspect is a 20-something right-wing Nazi, my feeling is he has been used or duped for a larger operation. Is it not possible--indeed probable--that something more is afoot here?

I understand the path of least resistance is to explain these shootings, per the official narrative, as right-wing extremism. That explanation, however, is wrapped in a very neat and convenient package for the those advancing their agenda. Kind of like a big hunk of savory and delicious cheese on a mouse trap. Do we really want to go for that?

Do you have any proof of these eyewitness statements other than your word? I'd be happy to view and consider them, but I'm not going to believe what is basically hearsay (and neither should any reasonable person). I haven't seen any eyewitness statements or on-scene interviews mentioning multiple shooters, and interestingly enough, the site that makes these claims offers no evidence to support them. I did my own search and found no claims of multiple shooters or men in black masks "storming" the scene before the shooting began, in fact people specifically mention only 1 shooter, though I did find a BBC story with a headline stating that the shooter was killed, which is not true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just shady statements accusing those who don't agree with you of somehow being gullible or blind.

I agree we should not believe hearsay. See the 10 minute mark of this video:


https://www.bitchute.com/video/6jBxoPIevJHk/.

[T Smith]

What would be evidence that you would consider to be tantamount to White Nationalism rising in the United States? This question asked in the context of increasing hate crimes (https://www.wsj.com/articles/hate-crimes-are-real-and-theyre-increasing-11562786479).

I cannot access the article you cited without subscribing. Can you kindly PM me the article or copy it in this thread so I might respond? However, based on what I could read I would point out you are describing an assumed correlation. Without reading the article in full, and acknowledging for argument sake hate crimes are on the rise, I would point out the rise in prejudice-motivated crimes could correlate with any number of divisive social conditions prevalent in society, and not necessarily with a rise in "White Nationalism" (which is but an inferred causation agent). Indeed, hate crimes correlate directly with the rise of identity politics, with the trend of corporate concentration of media ownership, with the incipience of globalization, and with synthesized balkanization--either by design or otherwise--and with any number of other social-engineering programs that incite tribalism and divisive proclivities in culture, in which case hate crimes would naturally increase on all sides of the divide. "Hate crime" is also a relatively new category of crime, statistically speaking. If we were to document crimes of the past employing the same metrics of today, I would guess the number of hate crimes, as presently defined, would be the same or substantially higher in the past than they are today.





It would be helpful, though, for me, if those who truly believe we are trending more toward White Nationalism and hatred in the Age of Trump to define exactly what White Nationalism is, what they believe has specifically changed or is changing and why, and what constitutes the hatred of Other. I think that may be the only way to proceed with any kind of meaningful conversation about exactly what is going on here.

You go look it up yourself. And then, paint yourself black like this gentleman did and go outside and see if you experience a world where white nationalism does not exist.

Ww0q4XhxPAA

You are citing a video from over half-a-century ago and a snap-shot of an American era officially characterized by racial segregation and before Jim Crow laws were even abolished. Are you suggesting this is what White Nationalism is and the culture in the video depicts a type of culture on the rise? Are we really amid a transition of culture about to reinstate Jim Crow laws? If so, this is an astounding claim and I would have to categorically and profoundly disagree with that assessment. In which case I would acknowledge with sadness and regret we are living in two different worlds (which could easily be the topic of an entirely new tread and worth exploring further).

As far as looking up what "White Nationalism" is, the concept is so watered down with ambiguity and so overused and so politically weaponized I honestly cannot respond cogently to most of your criticisms (whether to agree or to disagree) without a clear definition. I may well agree with you on some ground, but we really need to establish a clear definition of the argument you are advancing, lest everything is but a feckless exercise of arguing for or against equivocal claims. In other words, looking up the definition of White Nationalism is about as useful as looking up the definition of good food.

For example, the video above would characterize White Nationalism (if that is your implication) as racial segregation amid an odious shadow of prejudice overtly sanctioned by the law of the land, which I would resolutely disagree with. Is this your intent? In pockets of 1950s America? Maybe. 2020s America, no.

I would be eager to continue the discussion with a better idea of what we are discussing.

Kind Regards,
T Smith

[O Donna]

Via tools such as statistics and probability (to name only a few), the 'lone gunman/ gun-person' mantra repeated in the mainstream up to this point in history doesn't add up. Even if I did not know anything about mass killings supposedly perpetrated by a single individual, reason alone would suggest that information regarding additional involvement in a number of these tragic events is being actively suppressed. It should ring alarm bells to not only american citizens but world citizens, IMO.

[TWINCANS]

I suggest you all go over, if you haven't already, to Jim Stone's site: http://82.221.129.208/.we5.html

He's doing some great work finding and gathering information over there. Look at his stuff on the Ohio shooter who apparently died in 2014. Look at the local Fox news clip from Saturday where the anchor is about to announce another Walmart shooting -- except it wasn't supposed to happen yet and she announced it too early!! Echoes of WTC 7 and BBC?

I think we should be careful of throwing punches at opponents who aren't there.


I'd love to hear if anyone has been following - I've been glued to his take on this.

[RogueEllis]

I'm struck by the fact Fox News messed up that announcement and busted everyone so bad.


In the video a FOX news announcer for a local station in the city a third shooting was supposed to happen in on Saturday (at another Wal Mart) announces the next shooting by accident, BEFORE IT HAPPENED, and she checks her twitter and re-checks, looks a little confused, and then says "that hasent happened yet".
…this proves Twitter is in on the shootings, Fox News is in on the shootings, Wal Mart is in on the shootings - they HAVE TO be a huge open joke among those who are "privileged", there's no way Twitter missed the fact that these people were using their platform to announce and plan the next shooting and there's no way Wal Mart had this happen at two of their stores by accident, and there's NO WAY FOX HAD THE REPORT AHEAD OF TIME WITHOUT BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED, BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED.Well I just realized Cailban already said this. Is there a way to delete this useless post?






Mod note from Bill: yes, moderators can easily delete posts on request. But I'd suggest leaving that — it's pretty important, and worth stating twice!