Consciousness and Energy

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What thoughts do we have about "Soul", "High Self" and "Inner Being"? Do these terms describe the same consciousness/energy?

[Ratszinger]

Here we see that all life needs to exchange energy to survive. One life survives by consuming the energy of another and I see nothing to indicate that would be any different when we leave these shells. We are still energy beings and my guess is then we also have needs and will also need to feed on something to survive. I suppose the question is what? My thoughts are that consciousness will sustain itself by feeding on the emotional energies of the very circle of beings it reincarnates into, almost as if each has it's own gene pool it experiences through and they recycle here in different groups at different times I imagine. One group the proverbial "Guardian Angel" from the other side believed to be walking side by side with the lives they 'guard' here when it maybe is true they guard but perhaps for vested interest? Perhaps they simply guard their feeding supply to sustain their own light and perhaps they even generate emotional exchanges or outbursts at times off their host beings they stimulate for sustenance. Then later these same beings are incarnate in a body or vessel themselves being the ones stimulated to produce for the very ones they stimulate now only they will swap places. Other groups I imagine would just scavenge feeding off anything they could find even if just once like we see in haunting's producing fear energy off those they feed on for the best flavor they can muster.

From the writings of the 3rd Century Neo-Platonic philosopher Porphyry:
"The realm of the soul, being semi-material, has its inhabitants possessing semi-material (astral) forms. Some of them are good, others evil; some are kindly disposed towards man, others are malicious. Both classes have ethereal but changeable bodies; the good ones are masters of their bodies and desires, the evil ones are governed by the desires of their bodies. They are all powers for good or for evil, divine, animal, or diabolic invisible influences creating, by their interior activity, passions, desires, vices, and virtues in the souls of beings. The more evil they are, the more do their forms approach the corporeal state. They then live on the exhalations of matter; they induce men to murder and to kill animals, they enjoy the vapours arising from the victims, and grow fat by absorbing the ethereal substances of the dying. They are, therefore, always ready to incite men to wars and crimes, and they collect in great crowds in places where men or animals are killed."

[greybeard]

Same consciousness Ron but different levels of that energy.
The individual is restricted condensed consciousness.
That which we are, is formless then its condensed into matter.

Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Same consciousness Ron but different levels of that energy.
The individual is restricted condensed consciousness.
That which we are, is formless then its condensed into matter.

Chris
Chris can you rank the relative energy levels of "Soul", "High Self" and "Inner Being" if the terms do not describe the same thing?

[greybeard]

They are all Self all the One.
The labels are just different functions and different functions may express different energy levels but they are all waves of the divine ocean if that makes sense.
Mind wants to attribute the functions to seeming different portions of mind but bottom line is everything is temporary appearances in consciousness witnessed by awareness which is eternal---you are That.
Hope this helps Ron

Chris

[RogeRio]

good question, from dearest Ron Mauer Sr.

The post-answers this thread certainly will help me to discern this "semantics", because I have contents to open threads related, and this is one of my main doubts regarding the right use of words (concepts) about Soul and Consciousness to people here.

Going on -- Soul and Conscienciousness can be considered the same Being in two stages of evolution. (starting and ending, for reference). That way, the Soul after being choose to be an "individual being", goes through an entire evolutionary process to grow from a naive state (soul) to a utterly free individual aware about who I'm, what I'm, where I came from and where I'm going to. All this awareness (or not) works in present (life) times, in a very cohesive and coherent way.

(note - when this cohesive and coherent way breaks, distort or deviates, the Soul suffers the consequences)

Then, the difference between a newborn Soul and a utterly Free Conscienciousness It's a long learning and growing process, inside the universe where the Soul borns (born here it's a metaphor .. ok?).

A Free Conscienciousness, by definition, can stay in the universe that she belongs, go away to others (universes & multiverses), or choose create a own universe by herself, and in this last case, she will be a new (God) Creator. If she chooses not to be a Oneness Creator, she will be a co-Creator with another Creator (universe), that she Freely "Choose" to be a partner.

Energy is the fundamental free matter of all (universe) existence, emanated from its Creator to his Universe, where he is OMNI-present and OMNI-sentient (by the energy he emanates to all his creation)

High-Self its a part of Ego (high-Ego), related to the abstract mind, that "one day" (metaphor) will be discarded by the Soul-Conscienciousness during her evolution process, just analog as the Spirit (the subtle bodies) discards the dense Body when it dies here on Earth (3D).

I didn't say everything, I said very superficially, but I think I answered objectively what was asked (properly).

[johnf]

I struggle with this stuff to keep it simple, I was raised with a lot of scientific influence around me and

have always been pretty analytical, but over the years I tend to be more poetic and visual.
I think of myself as various spheres of awareness the higher the awareness, the larger the sphere and

the more fine the energy. All those spheres are connected by a central thread of awareness like the cord in a string of pearls always
connected, and the denser the level the closer zoomed in I am. The purpose of the levels is to experience intensity, and play with perspectives, so that it is all like an immense concerto, and epic movie that is played out, but pure awareness is always right there the whole time.


John

[Anchor]

The biggest stumbling block for me is the concept of the infinite.

The infinite creation and creator all being one and containing and being all.

> What thoughts do we have about "Soul", "High Self" and "Inner Being"? Do these terms describe the same consciousness/energy?

Each of these are contained within the all and are artifacts of a mode of being wherein one is incarnated in a physical body - to experience a world of separation where things are finite, measurable and "real".

The soul, high self and inner being are different ways of conceptualizing complex parts of our current illusion.

I would say:


Soul is a useful way of defining that part of you which is a constant from incarnation to incarnation

High Self is a time travel trick, it is a sort of embodiment of your future self that helps you (if you pay attention)

Inner Being is that world that you approach in silence, as you seek to focus and not let the attachments we naturally have to the clamor of the outside world

[Peter UK]

What thoughts do we have about "Soul", "High Self" and "Inner Being"? Do these terms describe the same consciousness/energy?

Years ago I would have used those terms synonymously and although I don't frequent those terms with the same regularity I can't say they equate any differently. The first term that started to become strctly non - personal outside of these was spirit which seemed much more difficult to define.

I agree that energy, consciousness or awareness are preferable because they don't suggest anything that's part of a closed system.

However I'm still intrigued to listen on occasion to theories as to what the soul actually is, the idea of a soul's purpose, karmic affiliations, soul families, starseeds etc.

:)

[Rich]

I've heard some astral travelers referring to their astral body as "soul", I think of it more as the essence of our being.

I believe we are, in reality multi dimensional beings and this human experience is a tiny part,
a small aspect of the bigger us or Real us.
The High Self could be the Real us that never left God, it exists apart from time and is unconditional Love.

There are writings to support the idea that we exist beyond the human experience in books I read like ACIM and many other teachings like Bashar, Seth and books about Astral travel.

The body is a tiny fence around a little part of a glorious and complete idea. It draws a circle, infinitely small, around a very little segment of Heaven, splintered from the whole, proclaiming that within it is your kingdom, where God can enter not.

Within this kingdom the ego rules, and cruelly. And to defend this little speck of dust it bids you fight against the universe. This fragment of your mind is such a tiny part of it that, could you but appreciate the whole, you would see instantly that it is like the smallest sunbeam to the sun, or like the faintest ripple on the surface of the ocean. In its amazing arrogance, this tiny sunbeam has decided it is the sun; this almost imperceptible ripple hails itself as the ocean.
Think how alone and frightened is this little thought, this infinitesimal illusion, holding itself apart against the universe. The sun becomes the sunbeam's "enemy" that would devour it, and the ocean terrifies the little ripple and wants to swallow it.

Yet neither sun nor ocean is even aware of all this strange and meaningless activity. They merely continue, unaware that they are feared and hated by a tiny segment of themselves. Even that segment is not lost to them, for it could not survive apart from them. And what it thinks it is in no way changes its total dependence on them for its being.

Its whole existence still remains in them. Without the sun the sunbeam would be gone; the ripple without the ocean is inconceivable.


Here ACIM elucidates nicely that we already exist in the higher/highest dimensions or we would not be able to be at all. All levels below God and High Self might be distortions and ultimately, perhaps unreal.

[greybeard]

Ultimately all that is real is "That Thou Art."
Awareness.
The definition of real being ---eternal-- unchanging
Everything else is an appearance in consciousness.
Its that simple according to Advaita which means one without a second.

Chris

[Rich]

Ultimately all that is real is "That Thou Art."
Awareness.


Chris, it really feels that way sometimes, I used to think so but not sure anymore. I doubt it is possible to know the truth for humans.

[greybeard]

Ultimately all that is real is "That Thou Art."
Awareness.


Chris, it really feels that way sometimes, I used to think so but not sure anymore. I doubt it is possible to know the truth for humans.

You could say it all stems from the fact "I" exist Rich
If "I" did not exist there could be no awareness--everything Im aware of happens within "my" awareness.
Anything more said complicates and confuses the issue--muddies the water.

The swami videos Clear Light and Ive been posting recently on the enlightenment and other matters thread cover virtually every question-- doubt that I have had.

God is not human--neither are we ultimately----we inhabit a human body and have experiences through that--spirit--soul--not being matter cant have these experiences---but witnesses through the eyes of the body and observes --experiences through the other senses.
Hence the expression human having spiritual experiences is back to front.

Chris

[Cara]

This interesting philosophical discussion from Pierre Grimes on the implications of “if the soul can journey” may be relevant here. He focusses on the Ancient Greek philosophers, almost as a wisdom tradition.

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[Ron Mauer Sr]

I have enjoyed thinking about souls and oversouls as described by Jane Roberts and Seth in her book Education of Oversoul Seven

(https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=oversoul+7+jane+roberts&crid=1AIXN4YTIKVZO&sprefix=oversoul+%2Caps%2C572&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_9) We all are extensions of Source energy, no matter the frequency boundaries, the bandwidth that we occupy and are aware of. I suspect that we are multi-dimensional beings. In this reality we all are ghosts wearing meat suits riding a fast moving rock hurtling through space. And the reasons for being here are many: learning, the thrill of the ride, to touch the stove to feel if it is really hot, manifestation of desire, etc.

The reason I made the original post was to expand my thoughts about improving my ability to navigate this reality, and when I ask for assistance, whom do I ask?

Everything is a combination consciousness and energy. Even the plastic on my kitchen counter as I was told by Barbara Marciniak's Pleadians. I feel that they spoke accurately.

I feel it would be wonderful to see through the illusion of separation but the illusion may be required for learning.

[Peter UK]

The reason I made the original post was to expand my thoughts about improving my ability to navigate this reality, and when I ask for assistance, whom do I ask?

I feel it would be wonderful to see through the illusion of separation but the illusion may be required for learning.

What if this so called illusion is relative to a different form of illusion not yet considered or comprehensible from this current 3D perspective?

It's possible that a series of apparent illusions exist and maybe infinitely, but known by different names. Maybe the nature of reality is something like that, a kind of virtual within a virtual, always harboring the feeling of separation from something else but still embodying the fullness of an experiential lifeforce.

Or is that a Yikes!

:)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What if a goal of Spirit is to expand Its own experience of self discovery by creating desire and fulfillment through Its creations in all Its many vibrational realities?

What if every being who thought Itself to be Prime Creator has or will discover it is the child of another Being?

What if there is no ending, it is all a journey?

What if love is the glue that holds everything together?

These questions bring a smile and energy flow to me.

[Peter UK]

What if a goal of Spirit is to expand Its own experience of self discovery by creating desire and fulfillment through Its creations in all Its many vibrational realities?

What if every being who thought Itself to be Prime Creator has or will discover it is the child of another Being?

What if there is no ending, it is all a journey?

What if love is the glue that holds everything together?

These questions bring a smile and energy flow to me.

I'm inclined to answer yes to all of them!

:)

[greybeard]

Depends what your personal goal is.
If its enlightenment then there is plenty of evidence pointing the Truth of Non-duality, the Ultimate
That is eternal, unchanging no human characteristics.
Books like "I am That" By Nasargadatta is "personal" experience--many books videos speaking of one without a second as Self Realization.

If its to enjoy the multitude of experiences in a lifetime then that's different but its not awakening to your true identity
That's perfectly fine.
Chris

[Yoda]

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What if a goal of Spirit is to expand Its own experience of self discovery by creating desire and fulfillment through Its creations in all Its many vibrational realities?

What if every being who thought Itself to be Prime Creator has or will discover it is the child of another Being?

What if there is no ending, it is all a journey?

What if love is the glue that holds everything together?

These questions bring a smile and energy flow to me.

Ron, I am progressively arriving at the same conclusions, as you are alluding to.

[Sue (Ayt)]

What if a goal of Spirit is to expand Its own experience of self discovery by creating desire and fulfillment through Its creations in all Its many vibrational realities?

What if every being who thought Itself to be Prime Creator has or will discover it is the child of another Being?

What if there is no ending, it is all a journey?

What if love is the glue that holds everything together?

These questions bring a smile and energy flow to me.

Seems I always arrive at that conclusion after diversions and rabbit holes. And it always brings great comfort and joy to me.
(although the rabbit holes can be FUN too, long as I re-member they are always simply rabbit holes that meander along and diverge just like waterways, tree branches, blood vessels, etc.)

[greybeard]

Definition of spirituality by Nasargadatta.
"Find out what you are"
Ramana Maharshi similar--"First find the Self".
Who is asking the questions?
Who is having the experiences?
Who is seeking?
Its not about God or anything else its about you.
Accepting that there are many paths but eventually they merge with Love.
Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

There must be value in having difficult adventures in this temporary experience of illusion of separation from Source. There is so much I would prefer to change.

Perhaps this experience can be accurately labeled "Boot camp for consciousness". I compare this experience to Marine Corp boot camp.

There is probably a transformation of the individual in both examples. The only complaint I've heard from other Marines is that new recruits have it much easier than we did as "old school" Marines. If 3D life were easier, I wonder if the reward of graduation would be as great. Marines see rough training as supporting their job.

[Peter UK]

I have enjoyed thinking about souls and oversouls as described by Jane Roberts and Seth in her book Education of Oversoul Seven

(https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=oversoul+7+jane+roberts&crid=1AIXN4YTIKVZO&sprefix=oversoul+%2Caps%2C572&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_9) We all are extensions of Source energy, no matter the frequency boundaries, the bandwidth that we occupy and are aware of. I suspect that we are multi-dimensional beings. In this reality we all are ghosts wearing meat suits riding a fast moving rock hurtling through space. And the reasons for being here are many: learning, the thrill of the ride, to touch the stove to feel if it is really hot, manifestation of desire, etc.

The reason I made the original post was to expand my thoughts about improving my ability to navigate this reality, and when I ask for assistance, whom do I ask?

Everything is a combination consciousness and energy. Even the plastic on my kitchen counter as I was told by Barbara Marciniak's Pleadians. I feel that they spoke accurately.

I feel it would be wonderful to see through the illusion of separation but the illusion may be required for learning.

Hi Ron,

I thought you may find this description of the Oversoul by Wes Penre interesting to compare alogside Jane Roberts.



Now, let’s take me as an example, but it is the same for all of us. I have multiple “soul splits” or “fractions” spread out over the Earth timeline (if we think in linear time. I need to mix linear time and simultaneous time in this example).

One soul fraction may be living in the 15th Century and another 3,000 years ago, while another lives in the future and so on. In the beginning, these fractions were all “me” and had the same personality. However; because I get amnesia every time I enter a new body, I am separated from the other fractions of myself, and they are separated from each other as well for the same reasons. This means that each fraction will have different experiences and will react to these experiences in certain ways, and they’ll learn from this. Then they have another experience and then another and so on. This way, each fraction develops a unique personality, different from all other fractions.

Hence, if I would meet a fraction of myself from the 15th Century, for example, he or she would probably be very different from me; he might even be a skilled soldier or a criminal because of the combined experiences he’s had during multiple lifetimes.

This Oversoul exists outside the Universes, in its own “dimension,” although I am not even sure that it can be called dimension. Anyway, the Oversoul is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Therefore, we ARE all immortal and eternal.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

And some of these Soul factions include many lifeforms other than human, I suspect.

[The 9]

Consciousness is the Space between the Atoms ;)

[johnf]

Whenever I think about this subject I start with pure awareness, then the urge to express that infinite potential.
From there there is an explosion of ideas that start to coalesce and divide and form camps.
That happens several times forming denser layers until there are lots of beings on different layers until there is matter as we know it, the playground. That is the ladder down, and from there the ladder up is formed, and when the humanoid layer is formed there is an urge to take things all apart and to return home so to speak, and lots and lots of bad habits to leave behind. I suppose soul is what considers itself a discrete entity, but at various levels still knows it is connected to the top, and perhaps over souls are where the lines of more discrete souls coalesce and get ready for the journey back to the beginning. The inner self term is tricky for me since I have thought of inner and outer as
nothing but ideas for a while now, but there does seem to be a choices at all levels to perceive inner and outer.


John

[Peter UK]

Consciousness is the Space between the Atoms ;)

Don't tell the atoms that or we'll have a riot on our hands.

:)

[petra]

High Self is a time travel trick, it is a sort of embodiment of your future self that helps you (if you pay attention)


That's exactly what I was thinking - time travel trick. I once considered 'But, me in the future can't be THIS much smarter than the current me....', it just didn't make sense until I considered future incarnations of myself. That makes sense, me in the future could be a weird alien (because I know I sure don't want to re-incarnate HERE!)

[TraineeHuman]

Ron, the question is, to what extent have you penetrated beyond the superficial, material, consensus reality -- even as at the same time you have realized living in both worlds? By "living in both worlds" I mean living in that shrunken and limited yet also real part of reality, but simultaneously in realms of glory, that need to become second nature to you as well, and ultimately just as much. The important thing is to start doing it (doing both simultaneously) more and more masterfully, today, so that there's no room in you for the question of whether such transcendental realities exist. Also, I consider, I claim, that even to ask whether one (you) can do that is to resist just plain passionately doing it and living it, through truly allowing your true inner nature to arise and utterly trusting it now. You learn by doing.

One example would be that while physical pain does indeed exist, it's possible to live a life where you feel physical pain -- perhaps, say, very often, from some serious medical condition --- but you feel no suffering at all, even though you feel that physical pain. To actually do that, you don't even need to be reaching into deeper than the individual soul level (rather than into a level of total unity of all). That's because the soul never experiences suffering, ever, and continues so forever.

There is vastly more within you than the physical body and the thinking and emoting mind, but you need to rediscover it all for yourself, I'm afraid, if you haven't fully as yet. And not by thinking about it or contemplating on the concept.

There are various steps one needs to take in uncovering or awakening the knowledge of the higher/ deeper realities within you, and to do so is only the beginning, in certain ways. I can say that because in my own childhood and adolescence I was somehow living in various levels of reality at once, and taking that for granted. That made it harder to learn how to survive in and master all the practicalities of life in a society where the consensus pretence was that the physical (plus physicalized versions of the emotional and the mental) was all that there was, pretty much. At university one caring and intelligent fellow student there lent me a well-known sci-fi novel called Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein. It was the story of a dude who wakes up one morning to discover that he's obviously stuck on the wrong planet somehow, and a crazy and primitive planet at that. She then kindly insisted that I should keep the book, because it was all about me, she claimed (though I didn't believe that then, even though she meant it literally). So, then, living on multiple levels of worlds, including those beyond time and space (and staying sane if you possibly can) wasn't the full answer, not by a long margin, as I came to discover and regret, but it's a necessary step on the way to getting free of suffering and unhappiness. Everyone has to pull their nose out of being stuck in the superficiality of this consensus society. The expansion towards oneness with the Universe, with the Divine, and the casting off of various superficialities, then eventually becomes necessary, as others have mentioned here.

[Chester]

One of my operational protocols within my current set of operational protocols is to never imply, much less impose, my opinion as to "the structure of being."

Having said that, I have created my own way of looking at the structure of being that has been helpful to me.

I also used to refer to these things as levels but now I call them zones.

Zone One is just as Chris describes and is, from the POV of Zone One (which, by nature of what Zone One is, cannot actually have a POV) is the All that Is, ie. All Consciousness (as consciousness is fundamental) and is unified (One).

As we apply illusion within Zone One, we have Zone Two which has the primary property of individuation (some use the word 'individualization') as in individualized, self reflecting and what it perceives as 'not-self' reflecting consciousness.

Within Zone Two is the further illusion of what some refer to as physicality (or the material realm and other pointers) and I label this Zone Three.

I also refer to Zone Three as "hard physicality" and thus Zone Two as "soft physicality." Both zones imply form thus this is why I use the word "physicality" though ultimately there may be nothing physical at all about Zone Two as it melts into the eternal and only ultimately real zone, Zone One.

I assume that I am all and only Zone One consciousness and I assume this for all beings as well, as all that arises is the illusory zones from a Zone One perspective.

I experience a concentration of consciousness that appears to emerge in Zone Two and which, at times, inserts itself within Zone Three utilizing a "body vehicle" and again, this is illusory from the POV of Zone One.

So I explore life as a Zone Two individualized expression of that One Consciousness which has the opportunity to explore the realms of form through a body vehicle which allows me to play the game with myself that I am the body (Zone Three). But also, I am able to play within form as this same individualized expression of consciousness which I refer to as my "soul" and which I assume is actually anchored within Zone Two.

To state this more properly, "I" as a Zone Two being, experience a thing we call a "lifetime" within Zone Three and I like to assume I have the opportunity to experience as many Zone Three type experiences as I desire.

So bringing it back to the basics.

All there is is Zone One

Within Zone One is the realms of illusion of form.

Within Zone one arises the sense of individuation (Zone Two)

Within Zone Two arises the physical body simultaneous to the realm within which that body perceives it operates (Zone Three)

By having this simple "map" of Reality and the illusory zones within Reality, I am able to navigate experiences and thus make decisions by considering the three points of view implied by these three zones.

Earlier in my life (and I never really knew this in those earlier days), I made all my decisions from my Zone Three point of view.

As I get older, I find I more and more make decisions from my Zone Two anchored being point of view.

And then there are times I understand why Right Hand Path oriented beings are content with the eventual outcome of their illusory individualization (dissolution of their soul and a melting away into the actual Reality, unformed unified 'allness').

I am still having too much fun pretending to myself I am real and thus am holding on to Zone Two for now though I reserve the right to self-annihilation if I ever so desire.

All just my own personal roadmap to consciousness and nothing more.

Note that I end the description form a Zone One perspective, but I am fully appreciated of my Zone 2 beingness, my soul, and in fact, that is the primary perspective I operate from. From this perspective (and Zone 3, a sub-zone experience of Zone 2), life is incredible and wonderful and again, this is the viewpoint I embrace above all which makes Zone 2 and Zone 3 very, very real.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What purpose is served by the illusion of being separate from Source?

I am guessing at the answer:

The illusion of separation brings contrast.
Contrast summons new ideas, new thoughts.
New thoughts create new form.
New form expands all that is.
Expansion is the purpose of illusion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

That's one perspective - looking from the inside out. The other perspective is looking outside in. And then the phrases change...

The truth of wholeness is peace.
Peace brings knowledge, whole as itself.
Knowledge is function.
Function is to extend knowledge.
Extension is the purpose of truth.

[rgray222]

I had never given this thought until I saw this video. His statements about consciousness and Scientism are profound. (one-minute video)

I had not thought about Ron until I saw this thread. I hope he and his consciousness are both in an excellent location.

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