What would you do ? If you get the chance for meeting God ?

[Iyakum]

Well, as @petra has already suggested, my question that I have already asked in the thread "The Question of God and the Nature of God" is worth a thread of its own. So I ask the question again.

What would you do if you had the chance to meet God? Would you stand in front of him and ask God questions about what concerns you? As an example, what the hell are you? Who are you? Are you almighty? Why do you let people suffer? Why do you allow wars? Why are you so suffering to the little kids? What is the meaning of your being? Why are you there if you do not help? Would you ask such questions to God?

Would you have the courage to ask such questions? Or would you be afraid of God? If we believe the religions, then God is omnipotent. So it could be when you ask him such questions, he gets angry and banishes our soul into a cell forever?


I only speak for myself now and what I would do if I met God. I would not be afraid of him, I would certainly ask questions if he bugs me. But what I would really do is tell God that the time is here that he makes an exit. I would tell him to leave his throne and free the place. It's about time someone else gets the chance to play God.

I would suggest that he choose a person, creature, man / woman who takes his place. He should hand over his power, his knowledge, his abilities, everything we think God does. Then he can leave for another universe.

May God be with him.

Many Thx @petra

[greybeard]

Dont think I would have any questions but there is gratitude within for many things.
Chris

[Billy]

My God told me to look within if I ever wanted to meet up and have a chat. That advice has worked very well for the last 40 years. :bowing:

[Satori]

We meet G-d everywhere at all times. Thus, I would do what I always do: Be me.

[christian]

Reminds me of this famous koan by Linji Yixuan, "If you meet the Buddha, kill him."

Here (https://www.learnreligions.com/kill-the-buddha-449940) is an interpretation of what this means:




How Do You Kill a Buddha?

This particular koan has caught on in the West, for some reason, and has been interpreted in many different ways. One version of it popped up in a discussion of violence in Buddhism; someone believed Linji was being literal (hint: he wasn't).

Many other interpretations abound. In a 2006 essay called "Killing the Buddha," author and neuroscientist Sam Harris wrote,




"The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi is supposed to have said, 'If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.' Like much of Zen teaching, this seems too cute by half, but it makes a valuable point: to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught. In considering what Buddhism can offer the world in the twenty-first century, I propose that we take Lin Chi’s admonishment rather seriously. As students of the Buddha, we should dispense with Buddhism."

Is that what Master Linji meant by "killing the Buddha?" Zen records tell us that Linji was a fierce and uncompromising teacher of the Buddha Dharma, famous for instructing his students with shouts and blows. These were not used as punishment but to shock the student into dropping meandering, sequential thought and to bring him into the pure clarity of the present moment.

Linji also once said, "'Buddha' means pureness of the mind whose radiance pervades the entire dharma realm." If you are familiar with Mahayana Buddhism, you will recognize that Linji is talking about Buddha Nature, which is the fundamental nature of all beings. In Zen, it's generally understood that "When you meet the Buddha, kill him" refers to "killing" a Buddha you perceive as separate from yourself because such a Buddha is an illusion.

In Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind (Weatherhill, 1970), Shunryu Suzuki Roshi said,




"Zen master will say, 'Kill the Buddha!' Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. Kill the Buddha, because you should resume your own Buddha nature."

Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha. In other words, if you encounter a "Buddha" separate from yourself, you are deluded.

So, although Sam Harris wasn't entirely wrong when he said one should "kill" a Buddha that is a "religious fetish," Linji probably would have punched him anyway. Linji is telling us not to objectify anything — not Buddha, and not the self. To "meet" the Buddha is to be stuck in dualism.

[johnf]

Whatever you do don't answer the question!

[RogeRio]

My God told me to look within if I ever wanted to meet up and have a chat. That advice has worked very well for the last 40 years.

I think I'm more younger (maybe last 30 years for sure), and I'm glad to have more members here that speaks "the language" that I know relatively well.

I'm kind of afraid to talk about this God subject here in this forum, but nevertheless I hide my way of thinking, which results in the same direction and sense as Billy said for us.

not to extend me too much, I complement with an old teaching, almost certain that Billy doesn't disagree -- Know Yourself and You Will Know God




"Zen master will say, 'Kill the Buddha!' Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. Kill the Buddha, because you should resume your own Buddha nature."

Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha. In other words, if you encounter a "Buddha" separate from yourself, you are deluded.

So, although Sam Harris wasn't entirely wrong when he said one should "kill" a Buddha that is a "religious fetish," Linji probably would have punched him anyway. Linji is telling us not to objectify anything — not Buddha, and not the self. To "meet" the Buddha is to be stuck in dualism.


Wise words .. thanks to christian .. however, don't need to call him Bhudda, because we don't need give a name to God.

[greybeard]

There are videos and loads of information on Know your self and you will know God--the two are the same in the spiritual section rogparan.
Nothing to fear but fear.
Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I would ask the question "What must I do to maintain alignment with Source?"
My goal is to feel good. I suspect that alignment and clear communication are what I need.

No imposters, manipulators or control freaks allowed. That is the law. I am the law giver.

[NancyV]

How you act towards God depends on what form he is in when you meet him, at least it does for me. For about 6-7 years I was leaving my body, travelling on different dimensions several nights a week, up to merging with Source/God fairly often. When I merge with him I have no questions because I become him and participate in the creation which is going on at all times and since you know everything God knows there is no need for questions.

Then I had one time when I was taken up to some other dimension by God and he showed me the entire line of the Sikh gurus for the last several hundred years (that I was involved with) all at once. It was obvious that they were not truthful or knowledgeable and were all "sinners", often dealing with the evil powers. God told me that I had to take my family, sell the home we built on 50 acres, move...and never do that meditation again where I left my body. So the next morning I told my husband what happened and we did sell our property very quickly, we moved...and never did that meditation again.

The most recent time God spoke to me was 3 years ago. I had just sold our home in Washington state in one week, was looking for a house on the Oregon Coast late at night online, and God said in a rather firm, loud audible voice "You must move to West Virginia"! My husband is from WV and I had no intention of EVER moving there. So I argued with God in my usual rather disrespectful manner but he didn't stop saying it and it got more and more commanding. I asked him why but he wouldn't say anything but the command that we must move to WV. About the 5th or 6th time he said it I finally said OK. So the next morning I told my husband what happened and he was happy because unbeknownst to me he always wanted to move back to WV. So we moved here and I now love it!

I also met Jesus but until a week ago I did not consider myself a Christian. I had started watching videos on YouTube and found myself drawn towards a particular preacher who has a healing ministry where they now heal thousands of people a month. That was exciting to me. While watching these videos I found myself drawn towards accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior. My husband's brother who is a preacher here in WV, told me that I didn't have to be officially baptized, so I just talked directly to Jesus and accepted him. When I woke up the next morning I was filled with the energy of Christ. I couldn't stop crying for several hours...in joy, not sorrow. The energy was so intense it was amazing!

I find it rather amusing that I waited until I am 72 years old to accept that Jesus truly is the son of God and our Savior and also God. I've watched so many videos of even Muslims who have met Jesus and converted to Christianity, even though it's a death sentence for them if they leave Islam. Also videos of people from other religions and atheists and agnostics. It seems that the energy of God/Christ is growing right now as the world becomes more negative. None of these people from Islam EVER meet Mohammed (that I have seen or heard of) in a spiritual experience, only Christ or God. I haven't seen anyone from any other religion say that they've met their prophets but many of them meet Jesus and are excited to become Christians. In all my travels I did meet many powerful beings who "claimed" to be gods, rulers, etc. but after a couple of months of leaving my body I was filled with the love of God and it was the most powerful protection. I was being dragged down to hell by some ugly demon creature and I finally gave up and said to God "whatever is your will". That was when he filled me with the Love. From then on I was totally protected on all dimensions. God is Love and nothing can stand against it.

Anyhow, I am now a very happy Christian after decades of participating in new age practices, Sikh meditation, majik practices, etc etc. :)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

To 'meet' God implies proximity; arriving in the company of; coming face to face with. But God is not a person, not a separateness, whose audience you are by some special privilege granted access to. He/She/It is all things. The Is-ness. The All-ness. The infiniteness. For all time. There is never a time where you are not in God's immediate proximity. You are, by virtue of existing, already face to face with God. You are, by virtue of existing, with, beside, in, and of, God. Ask whatever you wish any time you wish. Learning how to listen... Now that's the real trick.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If the separation from God is an illusion then all we need is good communication to have a meeting.

I've had some dreams of Jesus (or an imposter) and I sensed a wonderful sense of humor.

I suspect that we all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creator's eternal journey of creation and self discovery.

Whatever path you are on that feels good is the right path for you.

[Sadieblue]

How you act towards God depends on what form he is in when you meet him, at least it does for me. For about 6-7 years I was leaving my body, travelling on different dimensions several nights a week, up to merging with Source/God fairly often. When I merge with him I have no questions because I become him and participate in the creation which is going on at all times and since you know everything God knows there is no need for questions.

Then I had one time when I was taken up to some other dimension by God and he showed me the entire line of the Sikh gurus for the last several hundred years (that I was involved with) all at once. It was obvious that they were not truthful or knowledgeable and were all "sinners", often dealing with the evil powers. God told me that I had to take my family, sell the home we built on 50 acres, move...and never do that meditation again where I left my body. So the next morning I told my husband what happened and we did sell our property very quickly, we moved...and never did that meditation again.

The most recent time God spoke to me was 3 years ago. I had just sold our home in Washington state in one week, was looking for a house on the Oregon Coast late at night online, and God said in a rather firm, loud audible voice "You must move to West Virginia"! My husband is from WV and I had no intention of EVER moving there. So I argued with God in my usual rather disrespectful manner but he didn't stop saying it and it got more and more commanding. I asked him why but he wouldn't say anything but the command that we must move to WV. About the 5th or 6th time he said it I finally said OK. So the next morning I told my husband what happened and he was happy because unbeknownst to me he always wanted to move back to WV. So we moved here and I now love it!

I also met Jesus but until a week ago I did not consider myself a Christian. I had started watching videos on YouTube and found myself drawn towards a particular preacher who has a healing ministry where they now heal thousands of people a month. That was exciting to me. While watching these videos I found myself drawn towards accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior. My husband's brother who is a preacher here in WV, told me that I didn't have to be officially baptized, so I just talked directly to Jesus and accepted him. When I woke up the next morning I was filled with the energy of Christ. I couldn't stop crying for several hours...in joy, not sorrow. The energy was so intense it was amazing!

I find it rather amusing that I waited until I am 72 years old to accept that Jesus truly is the son of God and our Savior and also God. I've watched so many videos of even Muslims who have met Jesus and converted to Christianity, even though it's a death sentence for them if they leave Islam. Also videos of people from other religions and atheists and agnostics. It seems that the energy of God/Christ is growing right now as the world becomes more negative. None of these people from Islam EVER meet Mohammed (that I have seen or heard of) in a spiritual experience, only Christ or God. I haven't seen anyone from any other religion say that they've met their prophets but many of them meet Jesus and are excited to become Christians. In all my travels I did meet many powerful beings who "claimed" to be gods, rulers, etc. but after a couple of months of leaving my body I was filled with the love of God and it was the most powerful protection. I was being dragged down to hell by some ugly demon creature and I finally gave up and said to God "whatever is your will". That was when he filled me with the Love. From then on I was totally protected on all dimensions. God is Love and nothing can stand against it.

Anyhow, I am now a very happy Christian after decades of participating in new age practices, Sikh meditation, majik practices, etc etc. :)

NancyV I certainly relate to your post, once the acceptance of Jesus Christ into your being, you are never the same....the Pure Love, and Energy is beyond this earthly realm. For me this is the REAL deal....Like you when it happened to me, I cried and rejoiced and wanted to share it with others.

[Gracy]

Anyhow, I am now a very happy Christian after decades of participating in new age practices, Sikh meditation, majik practices, etc etc. :)
Hi Nancy, after seeing how many years youve been at this, i'm puzzled that one of your your final moves on this grand chess board of life seems to be a come to jesus moment. Isn't that kind of like giving up on the whole search and, putting the ultimate answers in son one elses hands?

[ljwheat]

The Tower of babble, Were You part of the meny God's in that story, we have not been on the same page ever since what is with that.

[johnf]

It is a koan, the only question worth asking is to question the existence of the questioner.


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[Agape]

Ask him the same question. Oh God, and what shall I do ?

Now that I met you,
may I invite you for bottle of wine
since that’s going to be unforgettable evening

Then hope he won’t say no

If he’s not God but extraterrestrial
he will choose lemonade

Most ETs don’t tolerate alcohol too well


But God ..


🙏😀🙏🍀🌈🌟

[Sunny-side-up]

Well I would say:
WOW, Nice to meet you, how are things going for us?

[NancyV]

Anyhow, I am now a very happy Christian after decades of participating in new age practices, Sikh meditation, majik practices, etc etc. :)
Hi Nancy, after seeing how many years youve been at this, i'm puzzled that one of your your final moves on this grand chess board of life seems to be a come to jesus moment. Isn't that kind of like giving up on the whole search and, putting the ultimate answers in son one elses hands?

Hi Gracy,

I would have had that exact thought during all those years, but when you find something that you KNOW is truth it's hard to not believe it. But yes, I no longer have to search, however it is not like putting myself in someone else's hands as when you accept Jesus he works through you and you are supposed to have the same "abilities, understandings, etc." as he does. All the awesomely blissful and incredible experiences I've had in my life pale in comparison to my recent accepting of Jesus. Since we truly are ONE with God and Jesus we are actually putting ourselves in our own ultimate most powerful "hands".
:)

[amor]

Well, it seems that Avalon is flush with wise and wonderful, godly souls who know the ultimate truth. In my instance I was wide awake watching the sunrise on the horizon of the ocean when I was snapped out of awareness of my surroundings and standing with two lighted orbs on my left while looking up at a male person, a giant, reclining on a platform, looking over the edge at me. He asked me what I wanted. Since I was 21 and away from home for the first time in my life, I replied, "A home." By then he was standing about 25 feet tall on my right and said, "I am your home, when you leave there you will return to me." I then found myself off to his right and some distance from him and have concluded that the following experience was being allowed me as a gift of encouragement in what was to be a difficult life without much love or joy. I was shown PEACE, LOVE, JOY AND THE EXPERIENCE OF ETERNAL LIFE. During this time the Earth has fled away, as it says in the bible. Then, I was returned to my reality watching the sunrise.

I did not immediately remember the experience. It is as though this "outside of time" occurrence would be dropped into my consciousness later. I had experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit and brought back Love and Joy and Forgiveness with me which lasted in its full state many months. Nevertheless, I often say to myself, "If and when I meet God again, I am going to give him a good piece of my mind about this seemingly horrible world we are forced to exist in. I am quite certain that he already knows my thoughts on the matter.

[Words of Joy]

My question would probably be as usual:"What's the next thing for me that fits your plan?" And then I'd start suggesting activities until he confirms something or act if He gives me direct inspiration.

[petra]

I only speak for myself now and what I would do if I met God. I would not be afraid of him, I would certainly ask questions if he bugs me. But what I would really do is tell God that the time is here that he makes an exit. I would tell him to leave his throne and free the place. It's about time someone else gets the chance to play God.


Oh my goodness!!! "If he bugs me", ha ha ha. I can relate - I don't want to ask God anything either, I just want to tell God things, but the (answer?) I get is always "I KNOW" - it's both amusing and irritating.

The chance to "play God"??? That actually happened to me. It all started when I changed "what would Jesus do" to "what would God do", and somehow that started me down a rabbit hole. What did I learn from it all? I learned that I definitely definitely do not want to be God. Not even pretend God - too much responsibility!!

I remember thinking that God owes ME an apology (and not the other way around), and I still kind of feel that way, just not quite as strongly. Obviously I'm not ready to meet God quite yet ;-)


Nevertheless, I often say to myself, "If and when I meet God again, I am going to give him a good piece of my mind about this seemingly horrible world we are forced to exist in. I am quite certain that he already knows my thoughts on the matter.

This mirrors my thoughts exactly...

I'll never forget yelling "FIX IT" toward God, in my head, and I swear something laughed back at me. "Who said fix it?!? Ha ha ha"

[East Sun]

How can you relate to the unknowable? We try of course, and should and get answers of a kind maybe not to our satisfaction.
People believe all sorts of things depending on their taught/conditioned beliefs and that's OK. for them,

That may not be acceptable to thinkers who search relentlessly their whole lives. (I put myself into that category)
There is no definitive answer. There can not be with so many concepts and no definite direction from any "god."

That's how I see it...…...

[Ernie Nemeth]

If I haven't been able to get a straight answer for myself from any source, I doubt I would understand a god's answers anyway. It must be beyond my understanding because all I see is that I could do a far better job than god - and that can't be right, right?

Like a few others, I have a lot I want to say to god, and not much of it is good.

No, I have nothing I want to ask of god. God doesn't do a lot of answering anyway, in my experience at least.

Seems to expect a lot, though. That's a bit ironic, don't you think?

Nah, no thanks to talking to god, I'll pass...I'll be along soon enough in any case.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Why do people persist in thinking God is a person, a being, an individual? Like some giant ghostly head with a long white beard living in the sky? And why do they think that 'he' is somehow responsible or answerable for what happens on earth, or in their life?

Honest questions asked with respect.

[greybeard]

Why do people persist in thinking God is a person, a being, an individual? Like some giant ghostly head with a long white beard living in the sky? And why do they think that 'he' is somehow responsible or answerable for what happens on earth, or in their life?

Honest questions asked with respect.

Total agreement Star Mariner.
People want to hang on to the "other" for many personal reasons.

"No self, no problem"---the self being the ego--the story of the me.

Once started on the seeking path it gets narrower and narrower--so many beliefs- concepts that I had fell away.
Takes time studying the words of the various enlightened "pointers" but they all say the same thing, only consciousness.
"That thou art" " God" the energy is everywhere without exception including within your body--eventually that falls away revealing the eternal Self.
Formless (spirit)becomes form (matter) becomes formless.

Jesus Christ said it " The father within--heaven is within--of myself (me)I do nothing it is the Father within.

Chris

[pyrangello]

I would ask him "Why did you invent shovels to dig holes?Why did you invent paint to spray? and why did you create an occupation of an attorney who does nothing but misdirect for their own personal gain and create chaos around the world ? We could really do without all 3 of these and make the world a better place.:)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I would ask him "Why did you invent shovels to dig holes?Why did you invent paint to spray? and why did you create an occupation of an attorney who does nothing but misdirect for their own personal gain and create chaos around the world ? We could really do without all 3 of these and make the world a better place.:)

A joke I assume :) But you make a good point, one worth taking seriously, because sometimes people blame God for literally everything that's wrong with the world.

God created the universe and earth, let's say. And God created Man to live on earth. Man was special, for he was given the power of creation, and the gift of free will to create. Not to improve upon Creation, because that was already perfect, but to improve upon himself/herself, because Man was imperfect.

The woeful conditions we now see on earth all sprang from the hands of Man. He made politics, religion, fast-food, traffic jams, and all those parasitic attorneys. He made that bridge, with flawed iron-work, that collapsed and killed all those people. Etc.

It was Man who made the corruption in this once perfect environment. He laid the tainted soil, ripe for disease to spread. He paved the way, stone by careful stone, into this dystopian country we presently call our shared reality. A place where manipulation, exploitation, and deception prevails. Man created that. He raised the altars too, upon which probity and kindness and love was bled, only for tyrants to rise in their place. Man is responsible for all the war, violence, and depravity in the world. They are all his works, not God's. Though God always seems to get the blame.

Some may say, "God has the power to change things, or stop bad things from happening.." I ask, Does he? If he could (or would) do that, then would not the journey of Man be pointless?

Man's failures are not failures per se, no more than a 4 year old child acting up, making poor decisions, and giving wholly to emotion and the moment and to the base desires, urges, that drive him, are failures. These are but states and stages, hurdles and tests. They are educational curves. Eventually the child will learn, mature, and grow up. That is also the plan (or at least hope) for Humanity.

[greybeard]

Man is not perfect but the in-dweller --the spirit is.
Much of the problem comes from trying to improve self circumstance.
The ego loves to be the biggest the best--to belong to the most powerful gang the best football team.
Anything to be different from the common crowd---to be special.
Self esteem is different --its earned.
So at one level there is amazing potential for good or evil.
Ultimately we were made in Gods image--that is formless--perfection.
God being energy is formless.
The human mind can change formless into form of its own belief structure.
God has been seen in many forms.
Many questions asked.
If you are really in touch with the Divine I suspect questions are redundant--there is an awe-- a silence.
The peace that passes all understanding.
Even bliss.

Chris

[amor]

Dear Greybeard: I do very much respect your soul knowledge and years of study. Thank you for helping us out of our fog ever so often.

[East Sun]

How about this scenario?

A long time ago creatures, very far advanced beings came to this Earth and used DNA, from existing animals
like apes and some of their own DNA to create what became known as humans for a purpose, possibly to mine
gold. We could be the descendants of those created beings.

Sounds familiar, does it not?

And they have been coming here or others like them but not revealing themselves to us for whatever reasons.

That's another story for another time.

Maybe that's why our prayers are not answered and Shakespeare said we not
'trouble deaf heaven with our bootles cries'

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Ask:

"Is there anything important that remains unfinished for me in this lifetime? What is it?"

"If I can establish clear communication with you and soul, what is the best method for me to use?"

"Does my soul see me as a source of entertainment?"

[greybeard]

How about this scenario?

A long time ago creatures, very far advanced beings came to this Earth and used DNA, from existing animals
like apes and some of their own DNA to create what became known as humans for a purpose, possibly to mine
gold. We could be the descendants of those created beings.

Sounds familiar, does it not?

And they have been coming here or others like them but not revealing themselves to us for whatever reasons.

That's another story for another time.

Maybe that's why our prayers are not answered and Shakespeare said we not
'trouble deaf heaven with our bootles cries'

This may be of interest about our first appearance here and alien DNA in our genes.
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107293-Ancient-Artifacts-That-Are-Still-Shrouded-in-Controversy-Today&p=1312135&viewfull=1#post1312135

[greybeard]

I know I repeat myself but.
The most important question is the oldest one according to spiritual text.
"Who am I?"
That is beyond name and form.
Once the true identity is found then there are no more questions.
Spirit is here in human form having an adventure an experience.
Like being at the movies --one can get drawn into the emotions of the story as thought it was real.
The subconscious cant tell the difference between fact and fiction.
This is why a dream is so real at the time--then we wake up--self is only temporalily touched by the film the dream--spirit being the same as God is not.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear East Sun.

All you say is anecdotal, experience paints an entirely different picture. We are told of god, and its attributes. But god is unseen and unknown. Yes man is a barbarian pretending to be civilized because it serves the most powerful of us and their vested interests.

Yet that is how god intended it, is it not? So it is no ones fault, man was created to be a barbarian. And since this does not sit well, we are told that we will grow out of it.

We are told many things, many if not all are untrue, purposefully. So in this confusing state, we are told to look within. We are told the answers are there, deep inside us, just waiting to be accessed by sincere seekers. So we seek. And we do find.

But what we find does not make living in this world any easier, in fact it makes it harder because it becomes quite clear that this reality could be entirely different if there were more seekers of good intent. And so we are forced to live in a world we know could be so much better.

I reject everything I have ever been taught about god. God is not the being I thought. Instead, god is a hands-off type of character, who cannot interfere, or chooses not to, and cares not a whit for any individual creation. God may care about reality but god does not care for me directly.

Only my potential for true god-like reactions moderates that stance. I am the god I have been looking for, and I don't like what I have found...

[Peter UK]

Why do people persist in thinking God is a person, a being, an individual?

Anthropomorphisation is the human default comfort zone.

:)

[East Sun]

Thank you Greybeard,

I'm a long time fan of Edgar Cayce, a very exceptional person.

E. S.

[East Sun]

Ernie,

As is yours.

I told you mine was just one scenario.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I reject everything I have ever been taught about god. God is not the being I thought. Instead, god is a hands-off type of character, who cannot interfere, or chooses not to, and cares not a whit for any individual creation. God may care about reality but god does not care for me directly.

Sorry to hear that Ernie. I wish I knew what to say to bring you some hope and comfort.

You are 100% correct in saying God is not the being you've been taught to believe in. I suspect what you've been taught is that God takes an interest in us independently, exclusively, but only by preferential favour if you somehow revere him enough... But we are all a part of God, of the same homogenous whole. We are all, already and forever, in God's presence all the time, like every fish in the ocean is in the presence of water all the time - and not individually, but together, constantly and simultaneously. That truth has been grossly misunderstood, or just misconceived, perhaps deliberately so by the churches, who latched onto this meaning and made it "their truth", and "the way". But it's a lie. For centuries they made people spend their entire lives trying to serve, impress, and indeed fear, God - for mercy, for salvation, and for special consideration (for blessings). They fight, barter, and entreaty with Him, for their souls. And that's garbage.

You say God is hands off, but that's not actually true. He is very much hands on. There is an entire panoply of beings that fill the spiritual realms. They act as the conduit between 'Source' upon high and us upon low. Healers, helpers, intermediaries, guides. It is they who are watching, and listening, and assisting wherever they can. They have walked where we have walked, having lived many lives. They know our pain. There are angelic levels too, beings of pure love who have never incarnated.

As for God stepping in, of 'intervention' so say. In a round about sort of way, that's possibe. Because there are certain rules, laws, for what can and cannot be done. It depends on one's spiritual awareness and knowledge as to whether one believes it or not, but from what awareness and knowledge I have, I can say one capital example of God being hands on was the incarnation of the various spiritual messengers 'He' sent, like Jesus, or Buddha, or Krishna, or Muhammed. They came to spread the truth of 'Him', of 'Us', and of 'You'. All those stories and teachings are written, are known, and are available to all. Yes, each and every one of those recorded teachings are tainted by Man, who rewrote many things in his own hand to better bend the thought and will of the sheeple for the purposes of control. But it's not hard, once you have the awareness, to read between the lines – the truth is there, it's all there. For me personally those truths are epitomized by the words of Jesus in the NT.

I can tell you another hands on example, for what it's worth – a law laid down upon us that we cannot break. A limitation to 'evil' if you will. We, humankind, cannot destroy the earth. I've read and heard that over and over, from the many spirit readings and demonstrations I've been party to, and my own soul-meditations. Certain ETs have even said the same. This is why there was never a nuclear war, and never shall be. They, the dark ones, can try, (and they probably did) but they failed, and will every time. We are not allowed to degrade the environment, world-wide, to such a degree that the earth becomes uninhabitable. It's older than us, more important than us, and we ourselves did not create it. Therefore we cannot uncreate it. You can take that or leave it, but it's what I believe.

What is it Ernie about the God within that you do not like?

The God-source does certainly care for you, and loves you, deeply, that by virtue you exist at all. Whatever difficulties, injustices or traumas you've faced and endured, I do heartily empathise. Life is all about trial, challenge, and ultimately growth. Consider the purpose, the reasons behind these trials. They exist, even if we can't understand what they are.

[East Sun]

What makes religious people think that they know it all? That's what I'd like to know.
They don't.

It's an open clear space where anything is possible, Keep an open mind with no restrictions of
any kind.

Maybe then we may get a new perspective that is clearer than anything that has gone before and possibly and probably more advanced. Give it a try and see what you come up with...………...

[greybeard]

What makes religious people think that they know it all? That's what I'd like to know.
They don't.

It's an open clear space where anything is possible, Keep an open mind with no restrictions of
any kind.

Maybe then we may get a new perspective that is clearer than anything that has gone before and possibly and probably more advanced. Give it a try and see what you come up with...………...

One word EGO!!!
The ego likes to think it got it right---therefore you guys got it wrong.
Its a separation device.
The ego's last resort according to ACIM is "Im special"
Chris

[dean starmer]

:idea:Hello in reply to your question;; Buddha said your eyebrows are close yet you cannot see them ;; when your EYE is open God is even closer; right hemisphere thinking Pineal gland open; you are God ; god is within you; read SEPHIR YETZIRAH. God is light photon; tetragrammaton; GOD is you the I am; if all that I have read is not false then meditate and then ask HER WHY:sun:

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wish it weren't so but I have lived my life with god in my awareness almost constantly. God is what I think of when I go to sleep, god is the first thing I think of when I wake.

I was taught to be a Catholic. I hated it. At 14 I was allowed to choose whether to go to church or not. I chose not.

But god never left my mind. And I longed for god with all my heart. I believed in god, I would have and did do anything for god.

I searched for god in other religions but once the spell is shattered, not much chance another spell can dupe you again. I found that to be true about me at least.

So I learned to be spiritual - a word with no meaning for Catholics.

But my anthropomorphized notions of god endured and so I could never understand the true motivation of god.

I learned to meditate and do yoga. I got the big blue book and joined the club. But I found the other members were there to socialize and to find mates. And I found that others had far bigger problems than mine. So for a while I put my own concerns aside and learned to minister. It was all I could do anyway because those with bigger problems controlled the narrative - there was not enough time for me...

After a time even ministering became unfulfilling - an unhealed healer can only do so much good.

What I noticed was that it did not matter how much good I did, I was not rewarded as I thought I would be. I needed help but I did not need it as bad as others - so I waited because I had faith in my god. God would get to me in due time.

But god did not get back to me. Instead god decided I needed to do more and more and more! And soon I realized god would never be satisfied with me. I would never get my just desserts.

So I decided to give it one more chance. I decided to do the workbook of the ACIM course for the third time. I started that thread that made me so embarrassed that it took everything I had just to log in every day and answer the posts. But I did it only to be made fun of by some and ignored by almost all.

That was the final straw for me. I will never strive for god again. He made me see that I am not worthy. And if I am not worthy, what else can I do? I gave everything. It wasn't enough...

But god cannot make me evil. I will continue without god. Doing the work but not in god's name.

I know the One True God exists. That god is not like humans. That god is shut from our minds. I reject the god that has my ear - that one is false.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I know the One True God exists. That god is not like humans. That god is shut from our minds. I reject the god that has my ear - that one is false.

I would say Ernie your pursuit for the truth of God succeeded. That God, the one you were taught about, is a figment. It does not exist.

But the One True God does, as you say. And it is indeed shut from our minds, because it is too small. But it is not shut from our hearts, its size is infinite.

[greybeard]

If I Am GOD, Why Should I Pray? | Swami Sarvapriyananda

This was something that I did not have an answer to till I watched this video.
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzmrUM6OfQc

[Bill Ryan]

I'd ask:

Okay then, so who was that bad-ass Old Testament imposter?

[Words of Joy]

He made me see that I am not worthy. And if I am not worthy, what else can I do? I gave everything. It wasn't enough...

But god cannot make me evil. I will continue without god. Doing the work but not in god's name.I know the One True God exists. That god is not like humans. That god is shut from our minds. I reject the god that has my ear - that one is false.

He doesn't have to be shut from our mind. It is about personal choices. What many people (not saying you're one of them, Ernie) will not accept is that He sent Jesus. If a person rejects Jesus, that person rejects the Most High. There is a reason why the bible says "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." God made a plan that includes Jesus. It's His divine plan, that changed the way things work regarding enlightenment. The bible was written through guidance of the holy Spirit. Yes bible has been messed with, but one who sees can unlock what is still there! It still is the book of salvation of death.

Allow me to provide pieces of the way to God.

A person needs to see that humans, of nature, and within are not confirming to the rules set by God, which is are of a high loving standard. Jesus' closest disciple John wrote:"If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and his word is not in us."
If people don't recognize they don't align with Gods rule set, they will not allow themselves to ask for (supernatural) help. This is a problem, because one rule is, if one doesn't keep Gods rule set, then only one misstep will have death as a result. Direct death? No, just death at the end of earthly life, followed by reincarnation. Spiritual life will only be, and direct contact with God will only be, when a person lives within the rule set of God. All things people do outside the rule set fill a spiritual cup that God holds. Once filled, after a couple of thousand years, the wrath will follow in the form of global disaster, where those good with God are certain to live.

If a person does see he/she falls short, e.g. because they understand they never read the bible and don't understand it's full implications, then they can ask for help. If one wants to be in connection with God, they need to make themselves clean to God from their past. God is pure at such a high level, that without spiritual cleansing, He will not communicate. This is where Jesus comes in. Before Jesus, if one sinned, he would die. Later God changed His rules, to allow the death of a perfect (one year old) lamb or goat, as a substitute. What is hard for many people to understand, is that God, in His masterplan used this rule to outsmart the rulers of the earth (under the Babylonian King in the second heaven aka Satan). He made Jesus such a nuisance for the rulers on earth, that they wanted to kill him. But Jesus was clean in the eyes of God. Jesus lived within the rule set. So what happened? They killed a person that lived within Gods rules. God flowed the full content of his spiritual cup of sins and had Jesus suffer the consequence of it. Though because Jesus was pure in the eyes of God, God approved that Jesus had suffered for everyone for eternity. That makes that we can accept Jesus as our Lord. That is an essential spiritual cleansing part, that will make one clean for God and open for communication.

Other part is, you have to believe Jesus was raised on the third day, and lives forever. This is where the holy Spirit of God came in on the third day and supernaturally brought life back into Jesus. And with life I mean not the earthly, but the spiritual life. The higher level of life. Where he's able to (de)materialize at will and travel universes etc.. Apostle Paul wrote to the Romans: "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”"

Though also the intention of the person needs to be correct. He/she needs to turn away from whatever is not according to Gods good will. Jesus said:"But unless you repent, you too will all perish.". One needs to be willing to change their course of life and be sincere about that. Ask for forgiveness for all bad things done, be forgiving to all those that treated bad/hurted. A baptism is traditionally used for this and to let go of the old and start with the new.

The one other part is to invite the holy Spirit of God to help in the persons life to live according to the rule set of God. This is where a sacred offer is done. One can place his life in the hands of God ad ask God to do with life as He seems fit. This is done understanding that God knows person better than that person knows him-/herself, and will choose a better path than the person would do by himself. This is an act out of love for others also. Then when this is asked, the person can invite the holy Spirit in his/her life and heart, to guide and protect. Once the holy Spirit has entered is when the spiritual rebirth is completed. This rebirth is referred to by Jesus when he said: " “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.""

These are the steps I have read and personally experienced to make one clean from Gods perspective, opens up experienced interaction with God and suits one up for the elevated spiritual life that surpasses death and will keep one's consciousness.

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[edit: fixed couple of typos]

[greybeard]

AA believes that a Power Greater than one self can restore you to sanity.
Millions of recovering alcoholics --myself included can testify that this works.
There must be enough humility to ask for this help and surrender to the will of Higher Power is essential
The will of "God" being what is in the present moment.

I dont believe that there is a God separate from me.
However there is supreme consciousness which I express gratitude to.
We live in a world of impermanence --only consciousness is permanent and without change--eternal--without beginning and end.
So If I meet God its to express gratitude.
Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

We live in a world of impermanence --only consciousness is permanent and without change--eternal--without beginning and end.


Hey Chris, near all what you say I agree with, but not consciousness without change. The very purpose of existence, for me, is to improve, enlarge, extend, and evolve the consciousness.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Is consciousness a process?

Because if it is, and if god is consciousness, then god is also changing...why all the ineffable silence in meditation, then? It should resound with the echoes of constant confusion...much like the constant humming in the mind of man.

[greybeard]

We live in a world of impermanence --only consciousness is permanent and without change--eternal--without beginning and end.


Hey Chris, near all what you say I agree with, but not consciousness without change. The very purpose of existence, for me, is to improve, enlarge, extend, and evolve the consciousness.

Consciousness is aware of change but eternal.
That which is eternal is without change.
Everything else changes but that which witnesses does not.
You can test it for yourself.
You can watch all manner of things but do you feel changed.
Yes the perception the opinion changes but that which looks through the eyes is constant awareness.
Loads of videos of the enlightened teachers say the same thing or have a look at the first post here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Regards Chris


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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks Chris. I understand it, the philosophy of these teachings, I really do, but personally I just come from a different school of thought. Respect though :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

We all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creator's eternal journey of creation and self discovery, I suspect.

If my suspicion is accurate, we have had our meeting with God. What remains is to remove the illusion of separation.

I would ask "Why did I come here? What is the purpose of my life?"

I intuit the answer:
For the thrill of the ride.
Learn how to navigate the illusion and create joy.


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[East Sun]

Ernie,
if God as you believe god to be is not changing then we are not changing and that would not make sense.
We can't not change, as I believe we are always in a state of flux if you will.

Sorry if I got that wrong.

If there is a god which is unknowable as I believe, we must be constantly changing, evolving to a point where
we will eventually come to something that is also unknowable and that's where we meet god,,,,,,,,,,,,,the unknowable god, maybe...………..

[Words of Joy]

Is consciousness a process?

Because if it is, and if god is consciousness, then god is also changing...

I've asked whether God's is now as He was since the beginning and will always be the same (As a lot of Christians say). He confirmed to me He's growing like our spirits are growing through the cycles of time. There's no maximum potential. God is able to see all future. It's our experience, our response in our hearts that for Him is one of the things that makes it worth for Him.

[Strat]

I don't mean to sound cryptic, and I hate to steal someone else's quote, but “ten thousand things all in this breath grasping hold of emptiness, there's really nothing to say.” I'd remain quiet.

[greybeard]

We are just passing" time" talking about "nothing" --smiling
Chris