JFK: 3 shooters, the fatal bullet from Johnny Roselli in the storm drain.

[Bill Ryan]

The title reflects what I've understood for several years now.

See this interview with Gianni Russo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianni_Russo) — which is truly extraordinary by just about any standards, believe me — starting at 1:10:17.

Russo had a life that comes straight out of wild fiction, but it's all true. He knew everyone, including the Kennedys, Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe (who seduced him when he was 16, a hilarious story), and landed his part in The Godfather despite never having acted in his life.

Enjoy. :) As best I know, his account of the JFK assassination is quite correct.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If5GqCi3dTc[/url]

[Strat]

Just to throw in my 2 cents: This video is part of a series of videos where legitimate former mob bosses are interviewed. The interviews are fascinating and shed a different light on American (and to a lesser extent world) history.

[Caliban]

Funny, I watched most of this a few weeks ago.

My opinion? Half of this is total bull**** and the rest is half bull**** :)

Entertaining, though

I also happen to be reading Mark Lane's last book, The Last Word, where he summarized his many years of research on the JFK hit. He barely mentions the mob. For Lane, it was CIA 95% and maybe a sprinkling of the other guys. Courageous guy, Mark Lane.

[gs_powered]

I was curious to see the mob reference to the JFK on a vídeo last week, and it seems to continue...

The 3rd shot in my opinion came from Greer, the driver. Seems so in the video and explains why Jackie started to run away (in fear) to the back of the vehicle, afraid for her own life...

Don't recall previous researchers who started their work in the 70's mention the mafia connection, and find it curious why so many mob related folk are being interviewed these days...

[Jantje]

I haven't seen the interview you posted Bill, but I wonder if you have seen the confession of James Files. I think he also mentioned Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana as well as the cia being involved. I have seen the entire interview which I think was over an hour long. All I could find was just this snippet

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[Bill Ryan]

From https://jfkplayersandwitnesses.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/johnny-roselli-the-jfk-shooter-in-the-storm-drain

Johnny Roselli: the JFK Shooter in the Storm Drain?
November 12, 2013

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Above left, Johnny Roselli montage, above right is a copy (click to enlarge) of the Towner Photo with the locations of several of the JFK shooters demarcated. The middle item is a screen capture from the Malcolm Couch Film showing the storm drain in question. The below left photo is of a Remington XP-100 Fireball handgun similar to the one Johnny Roselli may have used in the JFK assassination. The below right photo shows the amount of repaving done after the JFK assassination to obscure the storm drain location.)

Larger images:

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‘Roselli laughed when hearing that Oswald was the sole assassin of President Kennedy.’ –Larry Hancock, Someone Would Have Talked, 2010.



‘Roselli bragged to the source, who was a made man in La Cosa Nostra, that Roselli had shot at and may have killed John Kennedy… Roselli and his men then finished the job from the sewer drain and the grassy knoll while the police and witnesses were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.’ – M. Wesley Swearingen, To Kill A President, 2008.



‘Before he died, Roselli had reportedly informed the Government that he believed his former associates in the Castro assassination plots had gone on to murder President Kennedy.’ Anthony Summers, Conspiracy, 1980.



‘Roselli is another bad-ass. Johnny was Sam’s hit man before going to Hollywood and taking over the movie industry. He was in Dallas for the hit.’ – M. Wesley Swearingen, To Kill A President, 2008.



‘I described it as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object – it seemed to have some type of an echo.’ – Secret Service Agent Clint Hill in Donald T. Phillips, A Deeper, Darker Truth, 2009.



‘The origination point of that bullet corresponds exactly to the location of the storm sewer drain at the base of the steps on the north side of Elm Street…The assassin who fired the fatal headshot was hiding in the storm drain.’ – retired US Steel Engineer Tom Wilson in Donald T. Phillips, A Deeper, Darker Truth, 2009.



‘A knowledgeable person, not given to reckless theories, told me the shooter escaped through the sewer that ended at the wooden fence…They then, reportedly, were flown to Houston, where they boarded a Cubana Airlines flight for Havana.’ – Chauncey Holt & Wim. Dankbaar, Self-Portrait of A Scoundrel, 2013.



‘Looking in his rear view mirror, he (newsman Sam Pate) saw the presidential limousine slow down as it came to the curve in front of the grassy knoll. Then he observed a puff of smoke come from the storm sewer…Pete Lucas came up to Pate and told him that the man who killed President Kennedy had gotten away. Lucas went on to say that the assassin’s name was Bruno (aka Johnny Roselli), that he was short and stocky, and that he had been positioned in the storm sewer and “blew Kennedy away with a .45 automatic.”’– Donald T. Phillips, A Deeper, Darker Truth, 2009.



‘The shocked Pate continued to listen as Lucas further told him that ‘Bruno’ had made his escape through the sewer, emerging at a point near the Post Office, and then got into a car which drove him to the airport for a flight out of town. ‘Bruno’, he said, was from Chicago and an organized crime associate of Jack Ruby. Lucas did not say how he came upon this information, but Pate knew that he was a friend of Ruby.’ – Donald T. Phillips, A Deeper, Darker Truth, 2009.



‘Perhaps he (Roselli) was also the one man who could implicate Trafficante and the CIA in the murder of Mooney (Sam) Giancana, and even more damning, in the assassination of the President of the United States and his presidential-hopeful brother.’– Sam & Chuck Giancana, Double Cross, 1991.



‘What he did say had the Committee enthralled, and nervous enough not to go any further. However, when the committee finally decided near the end of its term that it had come across elements that might connect with the JFK assassination, Roselli was called a third time. At that point, he stopped talking. That decision did not prevent someone from playing it safe and silencing him. He was brutally murdered.’ – Larry Hancock, Someone Would Have Talked, 2010.


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JFK’s head from the Dealey Plaza storm drain at the foot of the grassy knoll some years back and scoffed at it as some sort of disinformation, but it has started to seem more plausible after further review. This blog would be remiss without it. (UPDATE: Johnny Roselli’s manhole location has been moved over on the labeled Towner Photo. I had mistaken a shaded piece of curb as the sewer opening. It is corrected as of 11/23/13.)

John ‘Handsome Johnny’ Roselli (aka Filippo Sacco) was an Organized Crime ‘liaison’ and ‘strategist’ who ran with the likes of Sam Giancana, Meyer Lansky, Santo Trafficante, Howard Hughes, Frank Sinatra, Tony Accardo, Moe Dalitz, Richard Cain, Jack Ruby and Carlos Marcello.

He also had numerous CIA buddies and acquaintances from ‘the Agency’ including David Sanchez Morales, Tracy Barnes and William Harvey from the Mafia and CIA’s collaborative efforts to kill Fidel Castro in the years prior to the JFK assassination.

Sometime in the early 1970’s, Roselli bragged to then fellow prison inmate Bill Bonanno that he had been the shooter who finished off the badly wounded JFK from a storm drain on Elm Street. JFK had been hit by several bullets in the back and throat and once in the chest, but was still clinging to life until Johnny Roselli finished him off with a near point-blank shot to the right temple as the limo slowed to a crawl for the kill shot.

Throughout the JFK assassination literature there is mention of the use of a special, futuristic, prototype handgun called the Remington Fireball XP-100. This weapon was apparently manufactured to produce the lethal power and accuracy of a rifle in a portable handgun format.

None of the JFK shooters mentioned on this blog: Richard Cain and Charles Nicolletti in the TSBD, Loran Hall in the Dal Tex Building, Charles Rogers, Charles Harrelson, Roscoe White and Bernard Barker on the Grassy Knoll area, nor Harry Weatherford on the roof of the County Records Building, would have been pressed for space from their shooting vantage points.

(‘Wow, that’s a lot of gunmen and shots fired,’ you say? If one throws out Arlen Specter’s ridiculous, single, magic bullet wounding JFK and Governor Connally repeatedly and assumes that each wound came from a separate bullet, then 6 wounds in JFK plus 3 wounds in Connally plus 3+ missed shots adds up to 12+ shots fired!)

The aforementioned JFK shooters would not have needed the Fireball XP-100 when regular long barreled rifles would have sufficed. One spot where space would truly have been at a premium, however, would have been under the manhole cover in the Dealey Plaza storm drain. Here the compact yet lethal Fireball XP-100 handgun would have been the perfect choice of weapon for the task given to Johnny Roselli.

It is also interesting to note that the (altered) Zapruder Film conveniently scrolls on a slight angle which cuts off the area where Roselli and his pistol’s smoke plume would have been located during the motorcade! Was he edited out of the altered Zapruder Film versions the public has been allowed to see?

Roselli was flown into Dallas prior to the JFK assassination by a man named Tosh Plumlee. Mr. Plumlee was a CIA pilot who claims that he was told he would be flying a ‘JFK Assassination Abort Team’ to Dallas to stop the assassination from happening. In hindsight, Mr. Plumlee may have been misled into unwittingly flying JFK’s assassins to Dallas for a ‘JFK Presidency Abort Team’ instead!

Years later, in the 1970’s, the CIA and the Organized Criminals deemed ‘too valuable to kill’ including Lansky, Trafficante and Marcello would begin to purge their earlier JFK assassination co-conspirators such as Giancana, Cain, Roselli, Jimmy Hoffa, and Nicolletti to save their own skins and to prevent any damaging JFK assassination testimony from getting to the American public. Marcello and Trafficante would go on to help the CIA and themselves to immense drug trafficking profits in the 1970’s and 1980’s, some of which were funneled to CIA causes like the Nicaraguan ‘Contras.’

Johnny Roselli’s strangled, stabbed, dismembered corpse floated to the surface of a Miami-area bay in an oil drum on August 7, 1976, in prime Trafficante territory. At the time of his death Johnny Roselli had been talking behind closed doors with the US Government’s Church Committee, a forerunner to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, which investigated abuses of power by the CIA and the intelligence community.

Retired US Steel engineer turned JFK assassination researcher, Tom Wilson, deduced that the final, fatal, headshot which entered JFK’s right temple came from the lower right front at a trajectory not possible from the Grassy Knoll area from his photonic imaging studies as presented in a A Deeper, Darker Truth.

Additionally, a Dallas news reporter named Sam Pate who was in a TV crew car in front of JFK’s limo also noticed what he thought was a puff of smoke arising from the storm drain as he glanced into his rear view mirror during the chaos of the assassination. Mr. Pate would go on to be fired shortly thereafter and later survived two separate car bomb attempts on his life for what he saw that day!

A brief clip (10 mins.) from ‘The Men Who Killed Kennedy’ series discussing Tom Wilson’s research indicating that JFK’s fatal head shot came from the Dealey Plaza storm drain below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY
A brief clip(4 mins.) which mentions Johnny Roselli and some other JFK players:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CE3ltTCkQ
Links below:


http://maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Video_Clips_-_Motorcade_Films (http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Video_Clips_-_Motorcade_Films)
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/toshfiles.htm (http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/toshfiles.htm)
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-05-30/entertainment/9905300296_1_bill-bonanno-joe-bonanno-mafia-commission
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Roselli%20John/Item%2008.pdf
http://jfklancer.com/draintn.html (http://www.jfklancer.com/draintn.html)
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2013/12/six-jfk-shooters-including-three-tied.html
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7A4QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=A4wDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5294,876847&dq=john+roselli+jfk+assassination
http://playboy.com/playground/view/how-the-outfit-killed-jfk (http://www.playboy.com/playground/view/how-the-outfit-killed-jfk)
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/fireball1.htm

book links below:


http://amazon.com/Coup-dEtat-America-Assassination-Kennedy/dp/0932551106 (http://www.amazon.com/Coup-dEtat-America-Assassination-Kennedy/dp/0932551106/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382382573&sr=8-1&keywords=coup+de+etat+in+america)
http://amazon.com/Self-Portrait-Scoundrel-Chauncey-Holt/dp/1937584372 (http://www.amazon.com/Self-Portrait-Scoundrel-Chauncey-Holt/dp/1937584372/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382382793&sr=8-1&keywords=self+portrait+of+a+scoundrel)
http://amazon.com/The-Grassy-Knoll-John-Craig/dp/0380771276 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Grassy-Knoll-John-Craig/dp/0380771276/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1382382817&sr=8-2&keywords=the+man+on+the+grassy+knoll)
http://amazon.com/Crossfire-Plot-That-Killed-Kennedy/dp/0881846481 (http://www.amazon.com/Crossfire-Plot-That-Killed-Kennedy/dp/0881846481/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375684054&sr=8-1&keywords=crossfire+jim+marrs)
http://amazon.com/Inside-Assassination-Records-Review-Board/dp/0984314431 (http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Assassination-Records-Review-Board/dp/0984314431/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375684102&sr=8-1&keywords=douglas+horne+aarb)
http://amazon.com/Deeper-Darker-Truth-Donald-Phillips/dp/0615300995 (http://www.amazon.com/Deeper-Darker-Truth-Donald-Phillips/dp/0615300995/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375684125&sr=8-1&keywords=tom+wilson+jfk)
http://amazon.com/Great-Zapruder-Film-Hoax-Deception/dp/081269547X (http://www.amazon.com/Great-Zapruder-Film-Hoax-Deception/dp/081269547X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375684158&sr=1-2&keywords=zapruder+film)
http://amazon.com/Double-Cross-Explosive-Mobster-Controlled/dp/0446516244 (http://www.amazon.com/Double-Cross-Explosive-Mobster-Controlled/dp/0446516244/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374105697&sr=1-3&keywords=doublecross)
http://amazon.com/Last-Investigation-Federal-Investigator-Conspiracy/dp/1560250526 (http://www.amazon.com/Last-Investigation-Federal-Investigator-Conspiracy/dp/1560250526/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384291437&sr=1-2&keywords=the+last+investigation+by+gaeton+fonzi)
http://amazon.com/Bound-Honor-Mafiosos-Bill-Bonanno-ebook/dp/B003JH8M92 (http://www.amazon.com/Bound-Honor-Mafiosos-Bill-Bonanno-ebook/dp/B003JH8M92/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1384302174&sr=8-4&keywords=bonanno)

[gs_powered]

I just don't see how a shooter in the storm drain would have had hit the presidente, at that specfic time.


Zapruder Frame 312 (just before 3rd shot)

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Here are the locations of the storm drain and vehicle on Zapruder frame 313 (3rd shot occorring)

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How would a shooter on a lower level make that shot, while the presidente was lean down and to the left, probably grasping for air. I say it would be impossible as there is no clear view of the presidente, and the bullet would have had to go through metal of the car, and there is no evidence of that...

[Bill Ryan]

I just don't see how a shooter in the storm drain would have had hit the presidente, at that specfic time.

See this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY

(Nothing to do with William Greer, the driver. That was a silly idea promoted by Bill Cooper. It's been 100% disproved. The apparent image of a gun is just a trick of reflected light. It's not a gun!)

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e3ab90b0e048.gif

[gs_powered]

I did see the video, it's the physics that trouble me.

As for Greer being the final shooter, Bill Cooper doens't take that image you posted, but rather the moment of the shot (you are probably aware that the "comercial" version of the Zapruder film, other than being shown in fast forward to hide the car almost coming to a full stop at the time of the 3rd shot, also hides information as the image is cut on the sides so you can't see the edges, including Greer and the movement he makes when the car comes to an halt). Cooper analyzes thart moment alone, and don't recall him trying to show a weapon on Greer hands or near him before that moment.

Also to be noticeable, the 1st generation film he tought was buying from John Lear was actually already been worked on, specially through scraping of enulsion on the film. Seem to recall some work on the tail lights so the viewer wouldn't see the stop lights turning on. This said, even he only saw what "someone" else wanted him to see...
Also, I guess the "kill shot" happening on frame 313 is also not just a coincidence...

In any case, I guess these won't past the theories shleves, unless you take a huge leap of faith and believe any of this to be 100% true.

[enigma3]

Seven bullets were fired that day. It's all on the dictaphone tape inadvertently recorded by a motorcycle officer. No fusillade. No hail of bullets. Just 7. All firing angles were meticulously planned so that Jackie would not get hit. She might have been hit by a bullet from the storm drain.

It is quite something to consider how many authors and how many versions of the assassination have surfaced. I have read from more than 2 sources that the grassy knoll shooter was a Frenchman from Marseilles France. A trained assassin brought over for the specific purpose of administering the fatal head shot. And the ONLY fingerprint found on the 6th floor of the School Book Depository belonged to Mac Wallace, LBJ's hit man. Consider this. A bullet fired from the sewer into JFK's skull would have exited on the left side of his brain. No such bullet path was found. Either by the doctors in Dallas or the Naval doctors in DC. I'll post more later.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I bet every mobster, crook and hoodlum worth his salt, from the top bosses with their diamond-studded cufflinks and their pinstripe suits, down to the street corner refer-selling guttersnipe, at one time or another kicked back, winked an eye, and bragged they got the killshot that killed the president. And there have been many such.

It's pretty clear to me that the CIA, in cahoots with the mob, were responsible for the hit. The crew of Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt. It was them that did it your honour, smoking guns everywhere.

Another take on this, and also in support of the storm drain theory, is here described by Francis Conolly. This also strongly intersects with Jim Marr's unified theory on the assassination. Starts 1hr 49m.

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[Cardillac]

sorry, Bill and all, but if one looks at the Zapruder film very carefully (one must look at it a few times because it goes by so fast) it was Jaquie Kennedy who pumped the fatal bullit into her own husband's neck;

look, I'm sure there were shooters from the grassy knoll-

but look at the film very carefuly: once JFK has obviously been hit at least once (he's slumped forward but because of his back brace wasn't able to do that too far)-

then look very carefuly at the Zapruder film: Jaquie has a handkerchief OVER her hand (what was she concealing?), she goes under his neck and simultaneously a quick puff of white smoke (lasts only a second) emerges at the same time Kennedy's head flies back; bullits don't cause smoke; guns do;

the Jaquie throws something behind the back seat and scrambles onto the trunk of the car; we can see it with our own eyes; it's just so blatant if one is discerning enough to view small details-

view the Zapruder film; it's just so telling in these moments if one is mentally quick enough to see the obvious-

stay well all-

Larry

[DaveToo]

I did see the video, it's the physics that trouble me.

As for Greer being the final shooter, Bill Cooper doens't take that image you posted, but rather the moment of the shot...

The physics troubles you?

You are claiming that Greer fired a gun containing the 'mother of all magic bullets' whereby the nearest side of JFK's head to Greer was his left temple,
but Greer's magic bullet did a quick 90 degree turn to the left the instant it was fired, whizzed past JFK's front, then made an abrupt 90 degree turn to the right
and entered into JFK's right temple and exited the back left side of JFK's brain!

But this physics doesn't trouble you? :)

[rgray222]

I also happen to be reading Mark Lane's last book, The Last Word, where he summarized his many years of research on the JFK hit. He barely mentions the mob. For Lane, it was CIA 95% and maybe a sprinkling of the other guys. Courageous guy, Mark Lane.

There is a school of thought that the CIA hired the mafia to take out JFK. When you look at who benefits from the death of JFK and RFK there are only three plausible parties that make sense. When all three parties combine to assassinate the President it makes it a conspiracy extraordinaire and almost impossible to decipher. All three of these parties benefited greatly.

CIA
The CIA thought Kennedy was weak on communism, he was on record saying he was going to dramatically cut their budget (to the bone) and they thought he was weak on international foreign policy. We know that the CIA had Mafia connections regarding killing Fidel Castro of Cuba. So it is not much of a stretch to think they turned on Kennedy and used those connections to assassinate him.

The Mafia
Robert Kennedy believed he was responsible for his brother murder. He had prosecuted and punished the mafia in ways that shocked and stunned the mob. He had openly stated that he was just starting to make inroads to destroying the mafia. RFK stated to those that were close to him that the mafia had a hand in his brother's murder.

President Johnson
Lyndon Johnson the VP at the time knew that the only way he would ever be the President of the USA was for Kennedy to die in office. Johnson had an ego the size of Texas. In the sensational tapes recorded by the First Lady months after the President’s death, Jackie Kennedy revealed her belief that Johnson orchestrated the murder of her husband. She went on to state that the Dallas murder was part of a larger conspiracy to allow Johnson to become the American President in his own right. Also, Johnson was being investigated for corruption when Kennedy was assassinated, the investigations all went away the day he took office. At the time everyone in Washington DC knew that Johnson hated both Kennedy's, he considered them his personal tormentors.

It appears to me to be fairly straight forward. Johnson is at the top of the pyramid, he gets the ball rolling with like-minded people at the CIA. The CIA had current and fresh contacts with the Mafia regarding making a hit on a world leader. The CIA hires the mafia to kill Kennedy. If the mafia gets caught they take all the blame and suffer the consequences, Johnson and the CIA are insulated. If the mafia gets away with it then it becomes the worlds greatest conspiracy.

Either way, Johnson and the CIA control the flow of information so they could bury the documents for 100 years which is exactly what they did. Most documents have been released but some remain completely redacted and a small group of extremely important papers have never seen the light of day. There is a video taken aboard Air Force One that shows Johnson turning towards someone with a smile and winking. Johnson's wink and nod were one of approval and delight. That video seems to have gone missing from planet earth.

In 1964, the Warren Commission concluded that Oswald was the only person responsible for assassinating Kennedy. I know for a fact that the Warren Commission did not believe this. They knew and at times were vocal that this assassination was, in fact, a conspiracy. I lived in Was DC for many years and met some of the investigators on the Warren Commission and they openly stated that it was not Oswald but it was a much broader conspiracy. After the report came out they refused to ever talk about it again.

[Bill Ryan]

For more about Mafia involvement in the JFK assassination (which I'd always thought everyone knew about!), go to 14:34 in this very interesting interview with former Mafia Captain Michael Franzese. Franzese is a delight to listen to, clearly a totally reformed man with his integrity intact.

(Aside: nothing to do with Jackie Kennedy, or William Greer the driver. In my very strong personal opinion, those allegations are (a) fully disproven, and (b) make little possible sense of any kind.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__LxwaAEaL8

[Chester]

sorry, Bill and all, but if one looks at the Zapruder film very carefully (one must look at it a few times because it goes by so fast) it was Jaquie Kennedy who pumped the fatal bullit into her own husband's neck;

look, I'm sure there were shooters from the grassy knoll-

but look at the film very carefuly: once JFK has obviously been hit at least once (he's slumped forward but because of his back brace wasn't able to do that too far)-

then look very carefuly at the Zapruder film: Jaquie has a handkerchief OVER her hand (what was she concealing?), she goes under his neck and simultaneously a quick puff of white smoke (lasts only a second) emerges at the same time Kennedy's head flies back; bullits don't cause smoke; guns do;

the Jaquie throws something behind the back seat and scrambles onto the trunk of the car; we can see it with our own eyes; it's just so blatant if one is discerning enough to view small details-

view the Zapruder film; it's just so telling in these moments if one is mentally quick enough to see the obvious-

stay well all-

Larry

Note that the "Zapruder Film" released to the public is considered by some researchers to have been altered. Still... here's the best I have found. Jackie had white gloves on... no handkerchief... gloves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqzJQE8LYrQ

As for Greer, the image which some have interpreted as a gun is actually glare reflected by the top of the head of Agent Roy Kellerman who was riding in the front passenger seat.

[gs_powered]

I did see the video, it's the physics that trouble me.

As for Greer being the final shooter, Bill Cooper doens't take that image you posted, but rather the moment of the shot...

The physics troubles you?

You are claiming that Greer fired a gun containing the 'mother of all magic bullets' whereby the nearest side of JFK's head to Greer was his left temple,
but Greer's magic bullet did a quick 90 degree turn to the left the instant it was fired, whizzed past JFK's front, then made an abrupt 90 degree turn to the right
and entered into JFK's right temple and exited the back left side of JFK's brain!

But this physics doesn't trouble you? :)

This reminds me of soccer comentators analysing the same footage and one sees a penalty while the other can't even see there was a foul...

I don't see any obstacle for a clear shot by the driver, much less any need for magic bullets, although some believe this was a last resort shot, by that time the presidente needed to be dead and so it is possible it was indeed a "special" kind of bullet laced with toxins to prevent the brain from resisting, even if it was a non-fatal shot.

[TomKat]

Tony Gambino confirms the head shot came from the storm drain. He also says a LOT of other things, such as who sponsored Clint Eastwood's career, who killed Marilyn Monroe, where and why Jimmy Hoffa is buried, and who carried out 9/11:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV3QlqjHAMM

[Bill Ryan]

Tony Gambino confirms the head shot came from the storm drain. He also says a LOT of other things, such as who sponsored Clint Eastwood's career, who killed Marilyn Monroe, where and why Jimmy Hoffa is buried, and who carried out 9/11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV3QlqjHAMM

Yes. For instance, from here:


http://alamoministries.com/content/english/newsreleases/mafia_vatican.html

(very brief extract from a long and interesting article)

Gambino set the record straight about the JFK assassination, saying he was in Dallas when Kennedy was shot and the fatal bullet came from a shooter located in an underground storm drain.

"I was there when he was shot and I know for a fact Roselli was in the storm drain doing the shooting and Frank Sturgis was also part of the hit team," said Gambino. "The same group of guys we have talked about in the Vatican and U.S. government gave the orders and asked the Mafia families for help in taking down Kennedy."

[Bill Ryan]

A further note about the many ex-Mafia members' statements.


Everyone interviewed about this, over a number of years, has confirmed that the Mafia was deeply involved.
All those who know say that the fatal-headshot shooter was Johnny Roselli from the storm drain.

The factor here is the consistency. Mafia members, especially those who have left the 'Life' and are now talking, are in no way that well-organized or well-orchestrated to all be carefully choreographed to be saying exactly the same thing.

They're all uncontrollable mavericks who somehow, either by luck or through their wits, have survived the carnage all around them. Their collective testimony — and there's a lot of it! — has to be taken extremely seriously.

[Caliban]

A further note about the many ex-Mafia members' statements.


Everyone interviewed about this, over a number of years, has confirmed that the Mafia was deeply involved.
All those who know say that the fatal-headshot shooter was Johnny Roselli from the storm drain.

The factor here is the consistency. Mafia members, especially those who have left the 'Life' and are now talking, are in no way that well-organized or well-orchestrated to all be carefully choreographed to be saying exactly the same thing.

They're all uncontrollable mavericks who somehow, either by luck or through their wits, have survived the carnage all around them. Their collective testimony — and there's a lot of it! — has to be taken extremely seriously.

Whether the fatal shot came from the storm drain or the grassy knoll, I don't think matters very much.

We know the mob were involved. We know the likelihood is Oswald was a total patsy and didn't fire a shot. And didn't kill Officer Tippit.

But the key thing to bear in mind is that nothing like this, at this level, would have happened witout the direction and organization of the cia. This is why, I believe, Mark Lane focused tenaciously in his investigations on them and not the mafia, who were basically hired hands, notwithstanding their rage towards the Kennedy clan.

And this is why we can call it a coup.

[Antagenet]

Someone I knew wrote this:
Good idea.......DALLAS (The Missing Shooter)..... how come no one ever talks about the shooter on the overpass?...... He was never trained as a sniper but was instead a excellent shooter....... they always talk about the two shooters but never about the third, he came from nowhere and went back to nowhere and always mixed in the ocean with the rest of the fishes, they used him four times and all four were a perfect hit, and so it happen that he always was some where else, twice overseas and twice in jail...... yes, I should write a mystery book....about The Missing Shooter. He could have gotten a fifth contract....but...didn't want to kill....one of his own.......of all those who knew him none are alive, so that now he will take his secret to the grave.

ell, what do you think? should I write a mystery book?

V
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He is seated.
https://tangodown63.com/de-leon-ronald-ponce/#jp-carousel-1884

[frankstien]

Fascinating interview with Rod MacKenzie. He ran the safe house for the shooters in Dallas.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/33211

Interview with JFK assassination insider Rod MacKenzie
Series: KOWA-LP 106.5 FM
Subtitle: Conspiracy Discussion Group
Program Type: Interview
Featured Speakers/Commentators: Rod MacKenzie, Mr. E, Demy DeAsis, Joe Black, Dark, Michael, and Tommy C.
Contributor: Demy DeAsis [Contact Contributor]
Summary: Rod MacKenzie was employed by Mafia boss, Sam Giancana, and ran the "safe house" in Dallas, Texas when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.

After 45 years of silence, Mr. MacKenzie reveals what he knew about the "big hit" along with events surrounding the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Cuba, in this exclusive interview.

"Rotten Rod" is tortuously interrogated by the feared, "Conspiracy Discussion Group." He also talks about his upcoming book, The Men That Don't Fit In.
Credits: Produced by Mr. E - jamesjmh@aol.com
Notes: KOWA 106.5 FM is a low-powered community radio station in Olympia, WA. KOWA -LP's mission is to give voice to individuals, organizations, and movements working for social justice,economic democracy, ecological sustainability and peace.

website: kowalp.org

Date Recorded: 2008-06-10
http://www.radio4all.net/responder.php/download/33211/38112/54500/?url=http://www.radio4all.net/files/conspirazine@yahoo.com/3880-1-discussion_with_rod_mackenzie_final.mp3

[Antagenet]

Fascinating interview with Rod MacKenzie. He ran the safe house for the shooters in Dallas.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/33211

Interview with JFK assassination insider Rod MacKenzie

http://www.radio4all.net/responder.php/download/33211/38112/54500/?url=http://www.radio4all.net/files/conspirazine@yahoo.com/3880-1-discussion_with_rod_mackenzie_final.mp3

And you suppose that Rod MacKenzie would be alive if he actually knew anything real about the JFK assassination?

[Satori]

A further note about the many ex-Mafia members' statements.


Everyone interviewed about this, over a number of years, has confirmed that the Mafia was deeply involved.
All those who know say that the fatal-headshot shooter was Johnny Roselli from the storm drain.

The factor here is the consistency. Mafia members, especially those who have left the 'Life' and are now talking, are in no way that well-organized or well-orchestrated to all be carefully choreographed to be saying exactly the same thing.

They're all uncontrollable mavericks who somehow, either by luck or through their wits, have survived the carnage all around them. Their collective testimony — and there's a lot of it! — has to be taken extremely seriously.

Forgive me, but I'm not inclined to believe much that comes out of the mouth of these admitted, and often convicted, punk, narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, pathetic, lying, murdering, hoodlums. At least, not until they have been subjected to the rigors of cross examination under oath and drilled hard in public for all to see and draw our own conclusions about their veracity.

That is not to say there was not a shooter in the storm drain, and several other places, in Dealy Plaza that day and time. (I have no doubt Oswald was not the shooter or even a shooter. He was as he said, a patsy.) It is to say that these guy have egos the size of the moon and fancy themselves as being in the center, and in the know, of everything they perceive to be significant.

These pussyfoot interviews reminiscing over the good ole days as a "Made Man" is pointless and just strokes their egos.

I also do not think they would be permitted to tell the truthful facts of what occurred even if they knew it. Certainly not back then and for a long time since. Maybe now some of the truthful facts are emerging; owing to the fact that "they" don't care what we know or believe we know because they know, or believe (rightly so far) that we don't have the courage, organization and leadership to standup to them and do anything about not only the JFK assassination, but anything else, such as Oklahoma City, 911...

These people, mobsters, criminal politicians, etc... actually make me sick to my stomach and boil my blood. That is why I abhor glorifying them in the silver screen or elsewhere. I cannot stomach the movies and such made about them because I hate being lied to.

[frankstien]

Fascinating interview with Rod MacKenzie. He ran the safe house for the shooters in Dallas.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/33211

Interview with JFK assassination insider Rod MacKenzie

http://www.radio4all.net/responder.php/download/33211/38112/54500/?url=http://www.radio4all.net/files/conspirazine@yahoo.com/3880-1-discussion_with_rod_mackenzie_final.mp3

And you suppose that Rod MacKenzie would be alive if he actually knew anything real about the JFK assassination?

Yes I do and he was for awhile. Much of what he relates in the interview, especially about Permindex, was corroborated by Mae Brussell, back when she interviewed him.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Rod MacKenzie's book, The Men That Don't Fit In:


http://paranoiamagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/the-men-that-dont-fit-in-roderick-a-mackenzie-iii-2.pdf

And here's a long and detailed written interview with him, originally published in April 2010.


http://paranoiamagazine.com/2013/01/the-men-that-dont-fit-in-interview-with-roderick-a-mackenzie-iii

[TomKat]

A further note about the many ex-Mafia members' statements.


Everyone interviewed about this, over a number of years, has confirmed that the Mafia was deeply involved.
All those who know say that the fatal-headshot shooter was Johnny Roselli from the storm drain.

The factor here is the consistency. Mafia members, especially those who have left the 'Life' and are now talking, are in no way that well-organized or well-orchestrated to all be carefully choreographed to be saying exactly the same thing.

They're all uncontrollable mavericks who somehow, either by luck or through their wits, have survived the carnage all around them. Their collective testimony — and there's a lot of it! — has to be taken extremely seriously.

Forgive me, but I'm not inclined to believe much that comes out of the mouth of these admitted, and often convicted, punk, narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, pathetic, lying, murdering, hoodlums. At least, not until they have been subjected to the rigors of cross examination under oath and drilled hard in public for all to see and draw our own conclusions about their veracity.

That is not to say there was not a shooter in the storm drain, and several other places, in Dealy Plaza that day and time. (I have no doubt Oswald was not the shooter or even a shooter. He was as he said, a patsy.) It is to say that these guy have egos the size of the moon and fancy themselves as being in the center, and in the know, of everything they perceive to be significant.

These pussyfoot interviews reminiscing over the good ole days as a "Made Man" is pointless and just strokes their egos.

I also do not think they would be permitted to tell the truthful facts of what occurred even if they knew it. Certainly not back then and for a long time since. Maybe now some of the truthful facts are emerging; owing to the fact that "they" don't care what we know or believe we know because they know, or believe (rightly so far) that we don't have the courage, organization and leadership to standup to them and do anything about not only the JFK assassination, but anything else, such as Oklahoma City, 911...

These people, mobsters, criminal politicians, etc... actually make me sick to my stomach and boil my blood. That is why I abhor glorifying them in the silver screen or elsewhere. I cannot stomach the movies and such made about them because I hate being lied to.

I'm not too interested in emotional fits that contribute nothing. I hope it doesn't put a damper on this interesting discussion.

[shaberon]

I can't remember the title, but there is a book which simply includes most of the "proven" statements, i. e. it was from the drain, or from the driver, and so forth. The author had simply collected conflicting information without trying to have a pet theory.

Most importantly, the Oswald shot seems almost entirely out of the question, using a Carcano which itself had probably been heavily roasted at the siege of Palermo, leaning outside, and turning while following a moving target while being a Marksman which is the very lowest grade the Marines give you if you qualify with a firearm at all.

The one that caught my eye was about bullet casings found on the top of a building that was basically behind the car once it rounded the corner at the repository. I forget the specifics, but the act was somewhat "concealed". The shells fit a round that could be re=loaded and "necked down" into a different case. It was something like a .30-06, which had been reloaded into a .270.

It smells like LBJ's Texas machine all over it and Kissinger, Vietnam, etc., just look at what went through when he entered office in an un-elected manner. Then you got Nixon who had already lost to Kennedy by looking much worse on television and then the un-elected president Ford.

I think it shattered the country's mind until it re-assembled itself in some strange new way in Regan's term. This was a "thing" until 9/11 which shattered it again for another 20 or 30 years or in other words I don't think it is "re-assembled" yet. It takes a generation to mutate and forget the past. I believe this generational principle is pretty close to the main way that the Statist Corporation or the Corporatist State propagandizes itself.

The way my grandparents explained it to me was the previous "event" was not the war, but the Great Depression, which we now tend to find as an intentional manipulation, a necessary step in post-Empire imperialism. Kennedy therefor had come in on that post-WWII "Allied Victory" wave, where there was really no such thing before. The first World War was much more sensationalized, i. e. attack on the Lusitania and merchant marines to provoke the U. S. out of "xenophobic" mode and get it to act. That was the hard part. Once that was done, making them do it again by scuttling the fleet in Hawaii was trivial. That would be considered easy peasy in any play book.

Mankind is so almost utterly helpless, if you look at Rothschild's antics at Waterloo, that was purely childish the way he conned the stock market and re-bought everything. I suppose it is arrogant and contemptuous too. People like the ones behind Dallas seriously do not care what we say, as long as we don't stop them.

[TomKat]

I can't remember the title, but there is a book which simply includes most of the "proven" statements, i. e. it was from the drain, or from the driver, and so forth. The author had simply collected conflicting information without trying to have a pet theory.

Most importantly, the Oswald shot seems almost entirely out of the question, using a Carcano which itself had probably been heavily roasted at the siege of Palermo, leaning outside, and turning while following a moving target while being a Marksman which is the very lowest grade the Marines give you if you qualify with a firearm at all.

The one that caught my eye was about bullet casings found on the top of a building that was basically behind the car once it rounded the corner at the repository. I forget the specifics, but the act was somewhat "concealed". The shells fit a round that could be re=loaded and "necked down" into a different case. It was something like a .30-06, which had been reloaded into a .270.

It smells like LBJ's Texas machine all over it and Kissinger, Vietnam, etc., just look at what went through when he entered office in an un-elected manner. Then you got Nixon who had already lost to Kennedy by looking much worse on television and then the un-elected president Ford.

I think it shattered the country's mind until it re-assembled itself in some strange new way in Regan's term. This was a "thing" until 9/11 which shattered it again for another 20 or 30 years or in other words I don't think it is "re-assembled" yet. It takes a generation to mutate and forget the past. I believe this generational principle is pretty close to the main way that the Statist Corporation or the Corporatist State propagandizes itself.

The way my grandparents explained it to me was the previous "event" was not the war, but the Great Depression, which we now tend to find as an intentional manipulation, a necessary step in post-Empire imperialism. Kennedy therefor had come in on that post-WWII "Allied Victory" wave, where there was really no such thing before. The first World War was much more sensationalized, i. e. attack on the Lusitania and merchant marines to provoke the U. S. out of "xenophobic" mode and get it to act. That was the hard part. Once that was done, making them do it again by scuttling the fleet in Hawaii was trivial. That would be considered easy peasy in any play book.

Mankind is so almost utterly helpless, if you look at Rothschild's antics at Waterloo, that was purely childish the way he conned the stock market and re-bought everything. I suppose it is arrogant and contemptuous too. People like the ones behind Dallas seriously do not care what we say, as long as we don't stop them.

What I like about the mobster testimony is that it gives names and faces to some of the perpetrators. It's easy to get into a blanket conspiracy mindset but this was carried out by individuals, who should go down in history for their actions.

[Bill Ryan]

What I like about the mobster testimony is that it gives names and faces to some of the perpetrators. It's easy to get into a blanket conspiracy mindset but this was carried out by individuals, who should go down in history for their actions.Yes, it's the human condition, for better or worse.

Many of the interviewed mobsters really do come over as psychopaths who only took the witness stand as a pragmatic strategy to save their skins. But one stands out above all the others — Michael Franzese, who converted to Christianity, talks regularly in schools and churches, and has given a fair number of interviews. They're all worth listening to, and are easy to find.

He's intelligent, aware and articulate, and from his demeanor, it's sometimes hard to believe he was ever involved in that world. I wrote earlier:
Franzese is a delight to listen to, clearly a totally reformed man with his integrity intact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__LxwaAEaL8

[Antagenet]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/FreeWayman.htm

White claimed that a train was crossing the bridge while the shooting in Dealey Plaza was taking place

Mr. BALL. Did you see the President's car come into sight?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir; first time I saw it had passed, passed under the triple underpass.

Mr. BALL. You were too far away to see it, were you?
Mr. WHITE. There was a freight train traveling. There was a train passing between the location I was standing and the area from which the procession was traveling, and – a big long freight train, and I did not see it.
(Proponents of Ed’s story have pointed out that J.W. Foster, the officer stationed on the east side of the Triple Underpass, later claimed not only to have seen the train described by his partner – a “three-engine freight train,” in Foster’s recollection – but also to having been told by a bystander that a man had run north into the train yards from the area at the north end of the bridge. In that recollection [Larry Sneed, No More Silence, University of North Press, Denton TX, 1998; page 212], Foster also claimed to have spent the next 15 minutes searching railroad cars in the train yard, which he had specifically stated in his 1964 sworn Warren Commission testimony that he had not done, [6H252] thus calling his recollection of the train and the running man into question.)

At the time McIntyre’s photo was taken, JFK’s limo was approximately 1/10 mile from where Ed was standing on the opposite side of the freeway. If the car was traveling only 30 mph, it would have taken just over five seconds to reach a point where it had “passed by” Ed; any faster and it would have passed him even sooner. A train that was just moving into McIntyre’s photo area at the time he took the photo would have to travel 68 yards in the same amount of time - i.e., at over 10 mph - to “completely obstruct” Ed’s view.

While 10 mph is slow for an automobile, freight trains cannot reach 10 mph from a dead stop very quickly, and likewise cannot slow down and stop from that speed in a short distance. So either Ed’s train would have already been at or approaching that speed by the time it reached the bridge, or being unable to stop, would have been forced to go over the bridge just as Kennedy was beneath it.

-- -- -- -- --
so, could there have been a third shooter inside on of the train compartments, or perhaps on the roof of the train?
I can't find any information written about this.

[shaberon]

What I like about the mobster testimony is that it gives names and faces to some of the perpetrators. It's easy to get into a blanket conspiracy mindset but this was carried out by individuals, who should go down in history for their actions.

I just can't remember the names or even the book's name. What I do remember is it had "mob evidence" as a convincing story, "CIA evidence" as a convincing story, and "Texas cronies" as a convincing story. Pretty sure it mentioned "guy at train tracks" as well. Point being if you only look at one aspect, then you just get that particular conclusion.

Rooftop of a building other than the repository + being directly behind the car + high powered scoped rifle has its circumstantial plausibility, especially combined with shells being necked-down for some reason.

I may have to retract it a bit since Harry Weatherford was mentioned earlier in the thread:

(1) The first shot that hit, which struck Kennedy in the back, appears to have been fired from the top of the County Records Building by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford. He used a silenced 30.06 to fire a Mannlicher-Carcano (.256 cal) bullet fitted with a plastic collar known as a sabot, which hit JFK 5.5″ below the shoulder just to the right of the spinal column. This was a shallow wound with no point of exit. This is also consistent with the 30.06 shell with a strange crimp found on the roof by a maintenance man in 1975.

So in that view, it was non-fatal. Weatherford's claim is that he was elsewhere and went to the depository finding Oswald's shells. He may have especially if evidence was planted. He was filmed climbing into the repository, so that part appears to be true, but as to his prior whereabouts, someone is lying. As far as it being the "first non-fatal" shot, it seems a bit odd that such a rifle would make a "shallow wound".

I do not think there is a .256 Carcano, which .256 can work with a .357, whereas .270 is a necked down .30-06. Mannlicher-Carcano is also more of a "folk name" than a precise one. So if anything, that one was almost certainly a reloaded .270 bullet.

In other words if you asked for a .30 silencer and bought .270 rounds, neither party would likely expect you to be using a .30-06.

A statement from PD sergeant Jim Bowles:

BOWLES : Yes, Harry Weatherford was on the roof with a second deputy, and he had a rifle. They were assigned
there for security. My first recollection of the suggestion that Weatherford might have been implicated was from the imagination of Penn Jones who, so far as I know, never worried about the other deputy. It would seem
strange that a hit man would be stationed with a living witness. It does not fit reason.

He says it wouldn't make sense to happen that way, and concludes that Oswald did it and also shot Tippit. The Sherriff dept. says they were not doing security except for the lead car. So in "sherriff talk", the man was on the ground in front of the jail, but in "police speak" he was on the roof with a rifle, which just happened to be weird because the official story is true.

Worse still,

Dep.Sheriff Pat Boyd told Roger Craig that two weeks prior to the assassination , he ( Boyd) had built a silencer
for a .30 caliber carbine owned by Harry Weatherford..

When Craig became a Corporation Court Judge for Midlothian, Texas.....he was told by Weatherford "If you ever try
to arraign me, there'll be a g....d... gun battle.....

On that note, if he said .30 carbine, it should fit the .30-06 just the same.

I don't know how factual any of the supposed interviews are, but just on the subject of this one guy is a big mess.

Weatherford's alleged location and where one strange shell was found nearly twenty years later was on the Records Building:

https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/shooter-locations2.jpg



If I remember rightly, the motorcade was planned to go straight down Main St. but the path was changed only an hour or so before arriving.

[Antagenet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_7TCe_Fkk

This seems to be a cogent and accurate representation of what happened.

[mountain_jim]

^ wanted to watch, but refuse to give YouTube credentials to 'verify my age'

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_7TCe_Fkk

This seems to be a cogent and accurate representation of what happened.
~~~

Fantastic documentary. HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended. The best I've seen on the subject..

:star::star::star::star::star:

[Jantje]

^ wanted to watch, but refuse to give YouTube credentials to 'verify my age'

Just type nsfw before youtube and press enter and you should be able to watch it

[Bill Ryan]

^ wanted to watch, but refuse to give YouTube credentials to 'verify my age'

Just type nsfw before youtube and press enter and you should be able to watch it

And there's a different upload here: (360p, slightly lower resolution, but as best I can see at first glance it's the same video)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJVwHaxaBEE

[Hervé]

[...]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_7TCe_Fkk

This seems to be a cogent and accurate representation of what happened.
Well researched documentary, indeed.

For some other background data on how it came about and who the real initiators were:

The Vile Truth of the JFK Assassination (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27226-The-Vile-Truth-of-the-JFK-Assassination&highlight=vile)

[Chester]

It can't hurt to revisit this interesting interview of Douglas Caddy by the Dark Journalist -

CIA INSIDER EXPOSES: JFK KILLED OVER THE ALIEN PRESENCE! DOUGLAS CADDY & DARK JOURNALIST

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

^ wanted to watch, but refuse to give YouTube credentials to 'verify my age'

Just type nsfw before youtube and press enter and you should be able to watch it

And there's a different upload here: (360p, slightly lower resolution, but as best I can see at first glance it's the same video)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJVwHaxaBEE

Not sure if you were aware Bill, this is only a clip, taken from Francis Conolly's brilliant "Everything is a Rich Man's Trick" documentary, that I posted on page 1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108562-JFK-3-shooters-the-fatal-bullet-from-Johnny-Roselli-in-the-storm-drain.&p=1313560&viewfull=1#post1313560), and indeed in other places on the forum - it leads in to JFK but it encompasses so much else. As a documentary on conspiracies, secrets, and hidden histories of the 20th century, this is one of my all time top picks.

[Chester]

...and then this one, released last night -

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[Chester]

Tony Gambino confirms the head shot came from the storm drain. He also says a LOT of other things, such as who sponsored Clint Eastwood's career, who killed Marilyn Monroe, where and why Jimmy Hoffa is buried, and who carried out 9/11:


The latest on Hoffa -

Eric Shawn: Mobster's son says he knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried (and who killed him) (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/eric-shawn-jimmy-hoffa-buried-killed)

[DaveToo]

...and then this one, released last night -


Thanks Sammy for this link.
I will be up front about what I think about all of this.
It certainly is interesting and makes for good entertainment over dinner. :)
Everything that Linda Moulton says could very well be true.

However, I have a strong feeling that nothing will ever be exposed to the general public about this
by official government bodies nor the mainstream media in my lifetime.
And so this subject will remain in the 'conspiracy' domain, just as it is now, for decades to come.

[Chester]

...and then this one, released last night -


Thanks Sammy for this link.
I will be up front about what I think about all of this.
It certainly is interesting and makes for good entertainment over dinner. :)
Everything that Linda Moulton says could very well be true.

However, I have a strong feeling that nothing will ever be exposed to the general public about this
by official government bodies nor the mainstream media in my lifetime.
And so this subject will remain in the 'conspiracy' domain, just as it is now, for decades to come.

If I had to bet on it, I bet on your strong feeling.

[Chester]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/edward-curtin/unspeakable-memories-the-day-john-kennedy-died/

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-wilcott-affidavit-and-interrogation-by-the-hsca

The C.I.A. on behalf of MJ-12 (MJ 1 having been Allen Dulles)

[shaberon]

Here is an unusual perspective which ignores the fatal bullet and instead focuses on the first bullet (https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-one-paragraph-you-need-to-read-from-the-jfk-assassination-files-that-may-change-everything/5615681).

There are six testimonies that say the first one came from the bridge through the windshield, or, that the witnesses saw a bullet hole in the glass, including from the guy who replaced the windshield.

Therefor the position that says there was a cover-up is based around efforts to conceal this shot, because it would prove more than one shooter, which would prove a conspiracy.

It was further suppressed from The History Channel's 2003 The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Three episodes were purged--superficially, because it frames LBJ. But there were a whole two seconds where the hole in the windshield could be seen. And so this is the bit that was "actually" removed.

It may not solve much, but it may help explain what happened and in what way things were tampered with originally to promote "lone gunman".

[Theallykat]

Gianni Russo is a know liar. He makes things up. Johnny Roselli was in the Dal Tex building with Charles Nicoletti George bush snr and CIA spotters. Johnny roselli was very close with the CIA. I’m not sure anyone was in the storm drain. No one I know of. Though Roscoe white was meant to be involved and I have no idea where he was if at all. It was James files who shot the head shot from the grassy knoll.