A Youtube channel named Quartz Crystal. Says many interesting things about how Source Players create the matrix.

[PurpleLama]

You know what, although I don't appreciate the mockery of putting my thread in this section of the forum, I will deal with it. I can still deal with this thread being moved here although I disagree with it.

The move is actually a testament to the patience of the staff, that they moved your thread rather than banning you outright. It indicates that they hold out some hope for you, that you will catch on the the wider themes of the forum, which are quite diverse. I personally will be surprised if you see past the one thing you came to preach at us about, but however improbable it seems to me, it is by no means impossible that something someone says might actually get through to you.

[sourcetruth]

10 Signs You’re Probably In A Cult (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf/10-signs-youre-probably-in-a-cult-1921eb5a3857)

By Sam & Tanner (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf?source=post_page-----1921eb5a3857----------------------)
Jun 18, 2018 (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf/10-signs-youre-probably-in-a-cult-1921eb5a3857?source=post_page-----1921eb5a3857----------------------)


https://zelphontheshelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/missionary-366x250.jpg

  Cults  aren’t as easy to spot as you might think. Most cults don’t wear robes  or live in communes. In fact, most cult members don’t even realize  they’re in a cult.

During  my 25 years as an unwitting cult member, I would often watch  documentaries and read about other cults. As I researched, I noticed 10  specific patterns that helped me recognize that I myself was in a cult:

1. The leader is the ultimate authority
If you’re not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults  begin with a charismatic leader who claims some supreme knowledge. They  may call themselves a prophet, messiah, messenger, or an enlightened  teacher. They can also be CEOs, military officials, politicians, and  self-help gurus.

Cult  leaders convince members to forfeit their critical thinking ability in  return for a sense of belonging, authority, and purpose. To members, it  doesn’t matter what the evidence or logic may suggest, the leader is  always right, and their misdeeds are always justified. Criticism of the  leader is forbidden.

2. The group suppresses skepticism
If you’re only allowed to study your organization through approved sources, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults  view critical thinking as an infectious disease and every effort is  made to suppress it. Doubting members are encouraged to isolate  themselves from outside influences and focus solely on the doctrine of  the cult.

Criticism  is forbidden. People who contradict the group are viewed as persecutors  and are often given labels like “anti,” “apostate,” or “suppressive  person.” Members are discouraged from consuming any material that is  critical of the group.

3. The group delegitimizes former members
If you can’t think of a legitimate reason for leaving your group, you’re probably in a cult.

Because  the cult considers itself the ultimate authority on truth, it can’t  imagine anybody leaving it with their integrity intact. Thus, it has to  perpetuate a false narrative that former members were deceived, proud,  immoral, or lazy.

If  former members speak out, they are dismissed as bitter, angry,  dishonest or evil. Cults often impose some kind of shunning to shame  former members and prevent them from infecting other members with the  truth.

4. The group is paranoid about the outside world
If your group insists the end of the world is near, you’re probably in a cult.

  Cults  position themselves as the sole refuge from an evil outside world that  is intent on their destruction. Cults thrive on conspiracy theories,  catastrophic thinking, and persecution complexes.

In  an effort to draw in more paying members, cults are often very  aggressive in their recruitment efforts which are usually justified as  “saving” people from the evil world. Those who reject the cult’s message  are unelect, prideful, evil, or stupid.

5. The group relies on shame cycles
If you need your group in order to feel worthy, loved, or sufficient, you’re probably in a cult.

Cult  leaders trap members in shame cycles by imposing abnormally strict  codes of conduct (usually prescriptions about diet, appearance, sex,  relationships, media), guilting members for their shortcomings, and then  positioning themselves as the unique remedy to the feelings of guilt  which they themselves created.

Cult  members are made to believe they are insufficient or unworthy on their  own and that the only way to become worthy is to confess their  shortcomings to the group or leader. The leader then becomes the  meditiator of worthiness and the foundation of the member’s self esteem.

Leaders  who can make followers feel bad about anything can use shame to  manipulate followers into doing anything, even if it’s against their own  self-interest or better judgment.

6. The leader is above the law
If you’re held to a different moral standard, specifically in regard to sex, you’re probably in a cult.

A  prevalent idea among cult leaders is that they are above the law, be it  human or divine. This idea allows them to exploit their followers  economically and sexually without repercussions.

When  confronted, they do not confess, but create justifications for their  impropriety. Sexual grooming of members is common. Loyal cult members  will perform any amount of “mental gymnastics” to justify or ignore the  leader’s behavior.

7. The group uses “thought reform” methods
If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you’re probably in a cult.

  Indoctrination  or “brainwashing” is the process through which a cult slowly breaks  down a person’s sense of identity and ability to think rationally.  Behaviors like excessive fasting, prayer, hypnosis, scripture reading,  chanting, meditation, or drug usage can all be used to increase a  person’s vulnerability to the leader’s suggestions.

The  hallmark of indoctrination is the use of thought-terminating cliches.  Platitudes like “follow the leader” or “doubt your doubts” are  regurgitated over and over so that members don’t have to critically  analyze complex issues.

8. The group is elitist
If your group is the solution for all the world’s problems, you’re probably in a cult.

  Cults  see themselves as the enlightened, chosen, and elect organization  tasked with radically transforming individual lives and the entire  world.

This  elitism creates greater sense of group unity and responsibility  centered on a united purpose. However, this sense of responsibility is  often manipulated by cult leaders who coerce members into risky  financial behavior, sexual favors, free manual labor, or heightened  recruitment efforts in order to “further the cause.”

9. There is no financial transparency
If you’re not allowed to know what the group does with their money, you’re probably in a cult.

A  group that refuses to disclose its finances is a huge red flag. Ethical  organizations have nothing to hide. Cult leaders tend to live opulently  while their followers are required to make financial sacrifices.  Members are often encouraged to pay their offerings even if it means  putting their families at risk.

10. The group performs secret rites
If there are secret teachings or ceremonies you didn’t discover until after you joined, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults  use secret rituals as rites of passage that solidify a member’s loyalty  to the group. Initiation into these rites usually only comes after a  member has undergone certain tests or made adequate financial  contributions.

Often,  cult initiations are confusing, bizarre, or even offensive. This mental  dissonance between their sense of confusion and their loyalty to the  “inner circle” convinces the initiate to double their efforts in order  to properly appreciate the proceedings. This only further entrenches  them in a shame cycle, making them even more susceptible to  manipulation.


PS: Thanks to Gemma13 for the lead (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106985-Corey-Goode-s-Fraud-Hoax-vs-the-Public&p=1316767&viewfull=1#post1316767) :)

There is no "group" associated with this information, there is only a youtube channel, so your comparison is invalid. It is quite absurd to compare this to a cult at all, this is only signifying how much that yku are unwilling to consider anything presented here.

[sourcetruth]

Not really, it was moved there because you probably have only posted spam and not gone into detail on anything else

There were questions you ignored and only replied to the easy ones that allowed you to move forward, plus you have displayed a basic lack of respect for everyone as usual, unless they treat you like a higher being

You earned it Source kun

You must reply anyway, don't take that set back as an excuse once again. But do as you must

Actually, I have posted reaaonable responses, but you are being too oppositional to acknowledge that.
I have not gone into detail? Have you even read all of the posts I have made on this thread? I

It is actually everyone else that is not having respect for me. They have been attacking me in alls orts of ways, and you have also attacked me. I am not taking about the criticism here, I am talking about people throwing shade at me and attacking me

I have replied to the hard questions that are being asked, not just the "easy" ones. Yiu have stated yourself on ATS that you would not reply to questions asked by me.

You are doing nothing but attacking me on this thread which is just what everyone else keeps doing.

[sourcetruth]

Masika welcome to Avalon
Re your question
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?

Which religion is this?

Chris

Hi, thanks for your question,

They are trying for a religion based on concepts created by Dolores Cannon, who passed away October 18, 2014, they have taken concepts written by her and completely twisted them into a forced cult that basically kills your spirit

Like so:

1. You can't have sex
2. Don't eat meat
3. Don't interact with people normally, don't smile or participate on normal human stuff, you have to be "balanced" (by balanced they mean you must not enjoy anything people would consider normal, you are basically dull all the time, no emotions on either side)
4. Animals and most people are soulless, only those in the known can 'see' each other
5. People with souls can change the current reality around them at will

They, and i mean Barbara G. Sandlin and other people who are keeping theirs identities hidden so far except a few, have created a sort of religion that talks about how this is the last life the experience on this earth and how then once they died the will 'wake' up from the matrix ilussion

The entire cult is based on that and some other stolen work.

They also require people to pay 25 dollars a month or they get expelled and have no right to salvation (in a way) or any contact with anyone else in the group. But if you are inside the group you are told your family is soulless and you must get away from them because they will drag you down. You must only listen to Barbara Sadlin aka Judy and if you don't then you get expelled as well

Every video is "locked" and costs 25 dollars to unlock, if you want to ask a question you need to pay as well. If you stop the monthly payments then you are considered soulless and rejected

This group formed in 2016 and there have been reports about them for years, but it was a small group so it mostly went unnoticed

http://www.oom2.com/t43156-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations

I had a bit more info about this but i made the mistake of posting a single reply on ATS and it got removed, i never made a back of what i had :/

I'm trying not to get even more involved into this but some times it's just impossible to watch without speaking up

Edited to add:

Dolores Cannon has nothing to do, and had nothing to do at all with SourceTruth, she just was the victim in all this. She wrote a few books from where this cult got their roots, but she was in no way involved. I was in contact with her daughter and they are ok with just letting people be, they don't want to trouble themselves with all this stuff

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I made a post on ATS linking all the videos that show how it all links back to Ms Dolores's work but i could not find it right now, sorry

There is no group at all, this is just a single youtube channel with a patreon account. So there is no way that you can call this a cult.

I posted a reply to you about this on ATS:


This only adds support to what Quartz Crystal is talking about, because it shows that it is well estavlished that it is known by others.

When you bring up these concepts, these are established in the spiritual community, so it has nothing to do with being exclusive to the people that you mentioned. You are just pointing out the fact that some of what she has talked about has been known in the spiritual community. That shows that she has legitimacy because people already accept some of these concepts.

Soulless ones, parellel lives, and manifestation are known in the spiritual community. Frequency and energy are known about in a way, but they are not as well described in these communities.

There are many other topics that Quartz Crystal discusses in her videos. She has made over 400, and there is a lot of original information within it that cannot be found elsewhere in the spiritual community. If you focus on the details about what ahe says about these topics, you will find a great deal of original information that can ot be found elsewhere in the spiritual community.

She has a single unified philosophy, as oplosed to the disorganized collection of knowledge that exists in the spiritual community. What you have shown does not present a single unified philosophy in the way that Quartz Crystal does.

What Quartz crystal says about these topics is more complex than what is known in the spiritual communiry, which gives it originallity. She relates much of the subtopics with her entire philosophy which ties in with concepts such as source, energy, and frequency. When you focus on the details of her statements you will find many facts that you do not find elsewhere.

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sourcetruth

I suggest a small experiment

all the top scientists in the world know the composition of almost all organic lifeforms

why then can't they make a single creature then that lives, procreates etc. ?

what's missing here ?

where could they find that missing ingredient needed to make something live and think and be creative and decide over good and bad, dream, make music, paint, etc. ?

is it in your head ?

only answer the last question please and give a short explanation

it's not a trick question

If you are speaking of there being something beyond the.physical that animates living creatures, then I have indeed explained that it is an energy powered experience of the animated soulless beings that we have. This is what they would be missing which is source energy. It is not a soul, it is something which pretends to be a soul.

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The group mentality on this thread is very apparent.  Some of the concepts presented challenge widely held views, which is why there is so much opposition to them. An example of this is the concept that animals and most people don't have a soul.

Ha Ha.
Quite a few members in Avalon would politely disagree with non-duality which is my path.

Question
Do you believe that Source is Omni present?
If so
Then there is no where that source is absent.
That is where what you post is deeply flawed.
Animals have souls--
If you have ever had a pet dog then you will know what love is.
The energy called love shines out of their eyes.

I could go on but its pointless.
If you cant accept what is in this post to be true then you are not open minded enough to debate.

A flaw is that you disregard the teachings of the many enlightened to claim that one teacher that you quote and only one is correct.

Have you actually examine the teachings of Eckhart Tolle--Mooji--Adyashanti but to name three Western Teachers?
They have the energy and language of Truth.
Chris

It is not source that is omnipresent, it is only the source energies that are omnipresent. These source energies are ahat animate the soulless bodies of animals and many humans.

Source is only "present" as a source fractal that is housed within a soul, which exists within a source player.

Source is fundamentally the creator of its own experience. There is no such creator that exists within animals and most humans.

The whole matrix exists within source. It is the matrix that is present within source, not source that is present within the matrix.

No soul will be made to exist as an animal because they would be unable to fully experience and master the matrix and become their own creators. Source would not put souls in animal bodies to have the experience of an animal.

You refer to an appeal to emotion here, when you speak of the love of animals. This is where the posters who have focused on talking about animal souls are coming from, their defensiveness on this topic is due to their own emotional reactions.

This thread is about discussing the statemet that the person I mention has made.

If you are bringing up the topic of other teachers, can you explain What they say that is in agreement or in opposition with whay I am saying?

[greybeard]

You are not listening.
Try this
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904'

Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

This is an account of the direct experience of awakening.

What can be said, or written, of itself cannot reveal the truth.

Words and language are themselves an illusory tool, an aspect of the relative dream, and can only indicate or hint towards the totality, or reality, or that which is.

Upon the moment of awakening not only does the illusion of the relative self or ego vanish like a shadow exposed to light, but all “other” egos, or relative selves, disappear. All separation disappears, and the absolute Self is realized. All is then enlightened and whole, for there never really were separate entities that could become individually enlightened. There then is no relative doer, nor even an absolute doer, for all doing implies separation. Or something to do, or somewhere to go. And not just other humans, but the entire creation is enlightened and whole.

Now nothing can be judged, or observed, or transcended, as there is no separate observer, nor separate objects observed, nor even separate observing.

Here even the concept of pure awareness, the witness, unidentified with that which is observed, has dissolved into the totality. Herein lies the meaning of samsara is nirvana. The slightest separation into observer, observed and observing and samsara appears. When observer, observed and observing is an undifferentiated whole, the Self is self evident, and far more evident, than the illusory ego self.

All that is, then is, as it really is, here descriptions do not apply.

Now, what is missing from the above description of the direct experience of enlightenment?

It is the pronoun, I, for in truth there is no I, either relatively or absolutely. I implies a separation from totality, as the first person singular. Whereas the adjective Self, implies being the same throughout, as the self evident united reality/totality/all that is, and is more appropriate at hinting towards the truth.

You are in reality this Self, all else is illusion.
Relatively, this is the end of suffering. This is the beginning of endless bliss.
Absolutely, all suffering is unreal. Only the blissful Self is real.
This is the eternal Truth.

Chris suggests
or this
Only Brahman is--One soul-One consciousness--pervading all

This is contrary to everything that you have posted--Its is the uniform experience of all enlightened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ys1tMWopME

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate.

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

[Sue (Ayt)]

In addition, this type of "spiritual" info may even have a deeper occult agenda beyond financial. Power through the use of divisiveness, degeneration, chaos, and the squelching of joyous spontaneity all come to mind. I don't profess to know the motives behind this channel, but I surely don't choose to give this drivel any mental energy one way or the other.

It does still make me wonder, Sourcetruth, how you perceive that this particular reality tunnel benefits you, personally. Are you healthier? Happier? More creative in any way? Or perhaps enriched financially for your promotion of said channel? (would love to see some honesty here) It certainly seems like a total Service-to-Self type of belief system.

[sourcetruth]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate. 

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

Calling this a hoax that was contrieved for financial gain is nothing but a completely unjustified basis for you to completely reject all of the statements that this channel has made. It is not giving the statements a fair chance of being discussed.

It is too bold for you to say that all of this was contrieved for financial gain, because that would mean that everything that I stated in my OP would have to be 100% "contrieved". This is nothing but completely reasonless rejection and dismissal of this information. That is the reason why you are making this statement in the first place, because you reasonlessly reject this information.

It is even more presumptious for you to state that I must be the channel owner
You have no reason to make this accusation about me.
This is an attack on me, which is not legitimate criticism of the topic. Instead of offering any legitimate criticism of the information presented, you are attacking the person who is presenting the information from the Quartz Crystal youtube channel. This is not a reasonable basis for rejecting the information presented.

You are also attacking the Quartz Crystal channel itself instead of addressing any of the information presented. This is also not a reasonable basis for rejecting the information presented.

I have a strong interest in this channel because I understand it to have statements which are true.

Can you explain how what you consider to be spiritual truths go against what is being said here?
I can say that I have found certain statements made in the OP to be true and not beliefs in the same way that you are telling me.
I am not sure about what specific concepts in spirituality you hold to be true, but I want to understand your opposition to this and how it relates to what you consider spiritual truths. I want to understand what those spiritual truths are that oppose the statements made in the OP.

I understand that I am making a bold statement in stating that there are statements in my OP that I understand to be true, and that others have been calling me arrogant and have been saying that I am not listening to others because of my strong asserting of this. However, I still stand by my assertion that there are statements in the OP that I understand to be true.

I am not disagreeing that others have spiritual knowledge, however I am also not agreeing with everything that they may think is true.

You mentioned near death experiences. Near death experiences are still only experiences that are being created. They do not have to provide the full truth about reality, and it is possible for them to provide some false or misleading information. There could be some truth to be found in near death experiences, but it is not and does not have to be the full truth, and some of the conclusions that may be made from a near death experience or can be gained from it could be false.
The truth that may be understood from new death experiences are incomplete, they are only pieces of the puzzle when there is a bigger picture.

You also bring up mystical teachings, and they do not always provide complete truth. They may only provide incomplete truth or part of the puzzle pieces but not the full picture. Some off what they say may be false or misleading.

This also applies for other sources which you may view as reliable.

The information that I am presenting provides a complete picture about reality.

As for her asking for donations, do you work for free? That is what she is doing, she is working by providing valuable information. There is no requirement to donate to her to watch her videos, she puts out all of her information for free in youtube videos. Her patreon website is only to donate to her, and she reuploads her youtube videos to patreon.

Also, earlier in this thread you made a reply to the statements in my OP, and I made a reply in response to it, and you never answered it back.

[Forest Denizen]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate.

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

Hey Star Mariner, I was Mod 3 in the chat that Bill quoted, above. Later in the chat, I amended what I said earlier, to clarify that I do believe there is actual hoaxing going on here. You’ve written an excellent post and I agree completely with what you’ve said.

The first red flag for me came very early in the first video posted, in which, “Judy,” states that this is all a game to be won! This sort of self serving mindset is directly antithetical to all that I have learned in more than a half-century of serious inquiry and experience. What I believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”

EDIT to ADD: We seem, IMO, to have someone new in the debate here under the avatar, sourcetruth. In comparing earlier posts to the latest here, they are significantly different in various qualities. Interesting..

[sourcetruth]

You are not listening.
Try this
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904'

Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

    This is an account of the direct experience of awakening.

    What can be said, or written, of itself cannot reveal the truth.

    Words and language are themselves an illusory tool, an aspect of the relative dream, and can only indicate or hint towards the totality, or reality, or that which is.

    Upon the moment of awakening not only does the illusion of the relative self or ego vanish like a shadow exposed to light, but all “other” egos, or relative selves, disappear. All separation disappears, and the absolute Self is realized. All is then enlightened and whole, for there never really were separate entities that could become individually enlightened. There then is no relative doer, nor even an absolute doer, for all doing implies separation. Or something to do, or somewhere to go. And not just other humans, but the entire creation is enlightened and whole.

    Now nothing can be judged, or observed, or transcended, as there is no separate observer, nor separate objects observed, nor even separate observing.

    Here even the concept of pure awareness, the witness, unidentified with that which is observed, has dissolved into the totality. Herein lies the meaning of samsara is nirvana. The slightest separation into observer, observed and observing and samsara appears. When observer, observed and observing is an undifferentiated whole, the Self is self evident, and far more evident, than the illusory ego self.

    All that is, then is, as it really is, here descriptions do not apply.

    Now, what is missing from the above description of the direct experience of enlightenment?

    It is the pronoun, I, for in truth there is no I, either relatively or absolutely. I implies a separation from totality, as the first person singular. Whereas the adjective Self, implies being the same throughout, as the self evident united reality/totality/all that is, and is more appropriate at hinting towards the truth.

    You are in reality this Self, all else is illusion.
    Relatively, this is the end of suffering. This is the beginning of endless bliss.
    Absolutely, all suffering is unreal. Only the blissful Self is real.
    This is the eternal Truth.

Chris suggests
or this
Only Brahman is--One soul-One consciousness--pervading all

This is contrary to everything that you have posted--Its is the uniform experience of all enlightened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ys1tMWopME

It is not correct for you to szy that I am not listening. My response to you was describing to you my understanding of an explanation. It is not that I am not listening to you, it is just that I am not agreeing with you about your conclusion on this particular subject. Your premises could still be valid, but your conclusion may not be.
You said that source was omnipresent, and I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, but I do not think that you understand this statement the same way that I do.
From this you reasoned that there is nowhere that source is absent. This statement is not necessarily wrong, however we understand the implications of this statement differently.

I can understand what you are presenting about enlightenment. I am not saying that I completely agree or disagree with everything that you are saying. However, I do not understand how it contradicts the concept of soulless ones.

[sourcetruth]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate.

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

Hey Star Mariner, I was Mod 3 in the chat that Bill quoted, above. Later in the chat, I amended what I said earlier, to clarify that I do believe there is actual hoaxing going on here. You’ve written an excellent post and I agree completely with what you’ve said.

The first red flag for me came very early in the first video posted, in which, “Judy,” states that this is all a game to be won! This sort of self serving mindset is directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”

EDIT to ADD: We seem, IMO, to have someone new in the debate here under the avatar, sourcetruth. In comparing earlier posts to the latest here, they are significantly different in various qualities. Interesting..

The way that you claim that there must be a "new person" commenting under ths avatar is completely disrespectful to me. You are implying that because the quality of the posts have become ssignificantly fifferent, that it must be a different person. This is essentially stating that I am not capable of creating high auality posts, which is completely disrespectful to me and unacceptable.

You don't understand the context that she stated that this was a game to be won. It is clear your reaction to this is compeltely based in your attachment to your worldview and not based in any rigorious logic or reasoning. This is evidenced by the way that you reference this as this:

directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”


I am looking for rigorous logical reason and discussion about this topic, and I do not see that here.

[Franny]

I stand with you on this Ken and Star Mariner.

I'll be as brief and country simple as I can.

Quartz Crystal is a system that endorses a direct connection with a leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

It's the polar opposite of Spirituality: a direct connection with the Divine. No system needed. In fact a system is antithetical to Spirituality.

All religious and quasi-spiritual systems are built on the same few templates with a few details that differ. The outcome is ultimately the same; slavery to leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

Quartz Crystal is a system. Many of us here have been around the sun more than a few times and we have experienced these systems and studied them carefully. That is why, sourcetruth, we have little to no inclination to engage in discussion of yet another system.

Be well and enjoy your life, I wish you the best, we all do :)

BTW, This is my story and I'm stickin' to it. Not interested in being drawn into discussion, nothing more to say.

[Forest Denizen]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate.

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

Hey Star Mariner, I was Mod 3 in the chat that Bill quoted, above. Later in the chat, I amended what I said earlier, to clarify that I do believe there is actual hoaxing going on here. You’ve written an excellent post and I agree completely with what you’ve said.

The first red flag for me came very early in the first video posted, in which, “Judy,” states that this is all a game to be won! This sort of self serving mindset is directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”

EDIT to ADD: We seem, IMO, to have someone new in the debate here under the avatar, sourcetruth. In comparing earlier posts to the latest here, they are significantly different in various qualities. Interesting..

The way that you claim that there must be a "new person" commenting under ths avatar is completely disrespectful to me. You are implying that because the quality of the posts have become ssignificantly fifferent, that it must be a different person. This is essentially stating that I am not capable of creating high auality posts, which is completely disrespectful to me and unacceptable.

You don't understand the context that she stated that this was a game to be won. It is clear your reaction to this is compeltely based in your attachment to your worldview and not based in any rigorious logic or reasoning. This is evidenced by the way that you reference this as this:

directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”


I am looking for rigorous logical reason and discussion about this topic, and I do not see that here.

Again, you reveal the depth of your misapprehensions in regards to the nature of this "holographic," or more accurately, malleable, reality. There is NO LOGIC with which to debate. Logic plays no part in the infinite oneness, sourcetruth.

I urge you to look around at some of the other, more interesting threads here at Avalon.. open your mind.. expand your horizons and grow!

I wish you love on your journey, for that is what this really is all about :heart:

41607

[sourcetruth]

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

I don't think it's simply bad as in 'mistaken' information. I think it's been deliberately contrived, with malice of forethought, with a goal to deceive, control, and exploit for financial gain. I think calling it a hoax is actually appropriate.

And I agree with kamikaze on this. Judging by your ironically soulless posts sourcetruth, and your stubbornness to bend not one iota from your mission-brief, I suspect you have a stake in this movement, and that's your only incentive. You're either a partner or a paid promoter of this channel. You have zero interest in actual spiritual truths. You've made this abundantly clear in your inability to understand the responses given or to engage with the members who actually are trying to help you. You're blinded by your goal, which I think is to acquire as many new pledges as possible. I'm quite sure you'll find none here.

Please understand, that our spiritual truths, for the most part, are not based on belief. We hold them to be self-evident. Many of us have studied spirituality, metaphysics, and the paranormal, for many more years than you've been alive. We have arrived at our conclusions through mystical teachings, mountains of data from case-studies, personal enquiry, and indeed through lived experience. And the latter you cannot beat. Read a few books about near-death experiences for a start. The accounts of people who have glimpsed the true reality, having visited the other side, run to reams and reams and reams, every creed, every religion, every walk of life – even atheists who once believed in nothing. They all say the same, and their lives are utterly changed. Basically, love pervades all, and consciousness as soul is the ultimate reality for ALL. And there is no 'matrix' (except in the movies).

There is nothing at all self-evident about the quartz crystal material, nor anything in it that appeals to common sense. I think it's geared primarily towards snaring new seekers with the promise of 'the meaning of life', for the exchange of funds... The churches have been doing the same for centuries. It's shoddily conceived, but nothing new. I also expect there's an attempt somewhere, possibly, to hijack the new age spiritual scene by injecting confused and negatively charged guidance and teachings, maybe to capture lightworkers and steer them away from the work they came to do. It that respect, it's also potentially very harmful. Especially given that love in her philosophy is entirely unnecessary, and in fact an undesired distraction. This is anti-spirituality in its very essence.

In summary, Avalon is a wealth of wisdom sourcetruth, you'd do well to explore a little. You will find many willing to help. But I'm afraid you won't find any pledges. Too many old souls present – and mark that word "Souls"! – who aren't so easily tricked.

You can scrawl your dark graffiti on the walls of wisdom, but you can never break them down.

Hey Star Mariner, I was Mod 3 in the chat that Bill quoted, above. Later in the chat, I amended what I said earlier, to clarify that I do believe there is actual hoaxing going on here. You’ve written an excellent post and I agree completely with what you’ve said.

The first red flag for me came very early in the first video posted, in which, “Judy,” states that this is all a game to be won! This sort of self serving mindset is directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”

EDIT to ADD: We seem, IMO, to have someone new in the debate here under the avatar, sourcetruth. In comparing earlier posts to the latest here, they are significantly different in various qualities. Interesting..

The way that you claim that there must be a "new person" commenting under ths avatar is completely disrespectful to me. You are implying that because the quality of the posts have become ssignificantly fifferent, that it must be a different person. This is essentially stating that I am not capable of creating high auality posts, which is completely disrespectful to me and unacceptable.

You don't understand the context that she stated that this was a game to be won. It is clear your reaction to this is compeltely based in your attachment to your worldview and not based in any rigorious logic or reasoning. This is evidenced by the way that you reference this as this:

directly antithetical to all that I hold dear and believe to represent the truly divine and infinitely interconnected nature of this “universe.”


I am looking for rigorous logical reason and discussion about this topic, and I do not see that here.

Again, you reveal the depth of your misapprehensions in regards to the nature of this "holographic," or more accurately, malleable, reality. There is NO LOGIC with which to debate. Logic plays no part in the infinite oneness, sourcetruth.

I urge you to look around at some of the other, more interesting threads here at Avalon.. open your mind.. expand your horizons and grow!

I wish you love on your journey, for that is what this really is all about :heart:

41607

Logic certainly should play a role in this discussion. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that we should not base our reasoning on logic.
You haven't acknowledged this or the other statements I made in my reply to you.

You didn't respond by agreeing with me that logic should be a part of this discussion, you responded by not acknowledging it and making another statement about how you don't think that logic applies here. Logic clearly applies here, there needs to be rigourous reasoning demanded in these kinds of discussions. I do not see rigorious reasoning being demanded enough in these kinds of discussions.

[sourcetruth]

I stand with you on this Ken and Star Mariner.

I'll be as brief and country simple as I can.

Quartz Crystal is a system that endorses a direct connection with a leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

It's the polar opposite of Spirituality: a direct connection with the Divine. No system needed. In fact a system is antithetical to Spirituality.

All religious and quasi-spiritual systems are built on the same few templates with a few details that differ. The outcome is ultimately the same; slavery to leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

Quartz Crystal is a system. Many of us here have been around the sun more than a few times and we have experienced these systems and studied them carefully. That is why, sourcetruth, we have little to no inclination to engage in discussion of yet another system.

Be well and enjoy your life, I wish you the best, we all do :)

I made this thread for the reason of discussing this system. If you and others are not here to discuss the system, you can leave this thread because that is what this thread is for. If you are going to criticize this system, you should at least be willing to engage in discussion of it. Otherwise, you are not contributing to furthering this discussion.


Quartz Crystal is a system that endorses a direct connection with a leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

It's the polar opposite of Spirituality: a direct connection with the Divine. No system needed. In fact a system is antithetical to Spirituality.

All religious and quasi-spiritual systems are built on the same few templates with a few details that differ. The outcome is ultimately the same; slavery to leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

It is a misrepresentation of Quartz Crystal to describe it the way that you are.

I still remember your previous post where I responded to you about my age and you didn't respond back to me to acknowlede what I said.

[Trisher]

There is always a silver lining.
I once knew a headmaster who when faced with an influx of non English speaking children into his school would raise his voice to very loud and slow his speech when interviewing the non English speaking parents. Shouting did nothing except show up the headmaster for his ignorance.

Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful has been showing similar blinkered behaviour on this thread and other forums. However this has produced a silver lining because putting the name Quartz Crystal into search engines now reveals a number of threads from different forums. The hamster wheeling and blinkered behaviour of Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful has revealed this dark cult for what it is and shown how diminished and constrained and dark ones view and behaviour becomes once caught up in it.

The actual replies from forum members to Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful show the wisdom and simplicity of true seeking/finding. Anyone looking at any of the forums will quickly realise the truth for themselves and all because this cult group/person could not stop its blinkered, insistent, hamster-wheeling, metaphorical shouting at every reply on various forums.
A true silver lining.

Trisher

[sourcetruth]

Who is Barbara G Sandlin?

She is a person who watched Quartz Crystal's youtube videos and made a playlist out of them.

This one person on another forum tried to say that this person was actually quartz crystal, and now the people on this forum have been repeating that after that person came to this forum. They are doing this because they want to smear this thread in order to discredit it.

[sourcetruth]

There is always a silver lining.
I once knew a headmaster who when faced with an influx of non English speaking children into his school would raise his voice to very loud and slow his speech when interviewing the non English speaking parents. Shouting did nothing except show up the headmaster for his ignorance.

Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful has been showing similar blinkered behaviour on this thread and other forums. However this has produced a silver lining because putting the name Quartz Crystal into search engines now reveals a number of threads from different forums. The hamster wheeling and blinkered behaviour of Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful has revealed this dark cult for what it is and shown how diminished and constrained and dark ones view and behaviour becomes once caught up in it.

The actual replies from forum members to Quartz Crystal/Barbara/Judy /sourceUntruthful show the wisdom and simplicity of true seeking/finding. Anyone looking at any of the forums will quickly realise the truth for themselves and all because this cult group/person could not stop its blinkered, insistent, hamster-wheeling, metaphorical shouting at every reply on various forums.
A true silver lining.

Trisher

A source player looking at any of the forums would see how ignorant the forum members are being in rejecting this information.

Nobody has actually showed anything wrong with this, they have just made stupid claims about it that any reasonable person would see for the stupidity that it is.

It is quite silly for you to call this a cult, this is just a reaction out of your own ignorance to this information. Nobody has "exposed" anything but their own ignorance and rejection of anything that does not fit their previous belief system or worldview.

[sourcetruth]

The reason that there is so much opposition to this information is that it does not fit with the belief system and/or worldview of people and because it is an unconventional philosophy that goes against the grain of common thinking.

That is the reason why this thread was moved to "known hoaxes and bad information".

[greybeard]

The reason I trust the information coming from Non-duality is that its personal experience and uniform over thousands of years.
Im not fond of any teaching that has separation as its base--divisive--we know the truth you dont so we are "going to Heaven" you will be judged soul less and lacking. Therefore follow the teaching of the leader and you might be saved.

Literally thousands of separate Christian churches all saying "We got it right" by inference you got it wrong.

Non duality says all are already eternal and enlightened.
No dogma, only suggestions.

The teacher is there to serve you--they dont mind if you come or go--they are non judgmental--they are truly unconditional love.

The only seeming difference between teacher and "student",is that they know what they are--you are in ignorance of that fact--they endeavour to help you remove that ignorance--lack of knowledge.

sourcetruth please realize that no one is against you, just not for the teaching of Quartz Crystal.
My belief is not just a belief its the result of many years of in depth investigation--countless books--videos--three visits to India to meet and hear the teachings of three different enlightened teachers, going to intensive seminars put on by Eckhart Tolle, going to USA to a Living the Prayer seminar put on by the late Dr David Hawkins.
The kundalini awakening that happened to this self, the healing abilities that came with that-- yet
Of myself I do nothing.

So I suggest that you explore other teachings deeply --then if you still feel you "got it right" fair enough.

Investigate fully the teaching of others

Best wishes
Chris

[sourcetruth]

Who is Barbara G Sandlin?

She is a person who watched Quartz Crystal's youtube videos and made a playlist out of them.

This one person on another forum tried to say that this person was actually quartz crystal, and now the people on this forum have been repeating that after that person came to this forum. They are doing this because they want to smear this thread in order to discredit it.

Do you think she personally knows Quartz Crystal or is a member of the cult?

No, there is no way that she personally knows her.

Don't be fooled by the other posters, there is no cult here, it is just a youtube channel. A cult implies there is a physical group associated with it, but there is none. They are just saying that out of their own ignorance.

I don't think you saw that I am the one who started this thread. I do not agree with the other posters at all. I started this thread to discuss the topics presented and others are smearing this by calling it a cult.

[PurpleLama]

Actually, you are incorrect. There are many cults with no physical interaction, thanks to this thing called the internet.

That said, what we have here with QC is not a cult. It is a scam, designed to prey upon those who are very new to the journey of awakening, or whatever you want to call it.


I fell asleep early last night, so I woke extra early this morning. I decided to give this subject of QC a little due diligence. You can literally find a thread on this forum about 90% of the topics she covers in her socalled self hypnosis videos.

Here is one of many examples:

vDCpsIA0dUM

Know thyself. Hmmm, that sounds a little familiar. LOL

Edit to add:

Also, I will comment on how much her own nature has deteriorated since she started. She is getting fat, she is dying her hair, her verbal expression began with something like a quasi-spiritual presentation, but now she is not even trying to keep that up.

She has you hooked and is dragging you along for the ride. The change in appearance and personality you see from the oldest to the most recent videos is literally the opposite of what you would see if someone were raising their frequency or attaining some form of enlightenment.

Scouring the channel, my initial assessment has been galvanized. The whole thing is a synthesis of truths, half truths, and outright BS, none of which is original to QC herself. The woman is a charlatan.

[sourcetruth]

Actually, you are incorrect. There are many cults with no physical interaction, thanks to this thing called the internet.

That said, what we have here with QC is not a cult. It is a scam, designed to prey upon those who are very new to the journey of awakening, or whatever you want to call it.


I fell asleep early last night, so I woke extra early this morning. I decided to give this subject of QC a little due diligence. You can literally find a thread on this forum about 90% of the topics she covers in her socalled self hypnosis videos.

Here is one of many examples:

vDCpsIA0dUM

Know thyself. Hmmm, that sounds a little familiar. LOL

Calling it a scam is just what you say to reject it because it does not fit with your beliefs and/or worldview.

By calling it a scam you are making a baseless rejection of this information, and this is rooted in your ignorance of the information.

You call this a scam and yet you have not explained why any of the statements in my OP are wrong. You have not teied to explain why what she is saying is wrong, you have just tried to call her a scam. You are attacking the channel instead of offering any legitimate criticism. This is very ignorant of you, and it shows that this is just a reaction that you have to this information and not any reasonable points against it.

You do not have rigorous reasoning that would show that she must be a scam, all that you have is words and accusations.


Also, I will comment on how much her own nature has deteriorated since she started. She is getting fat, she is dying her hair, her verbal expression began with something like a quasi-spiritual presentation, but now she is not even trying to keep that up.

She has you hooked and is dragging you along for the ride. The change in appearance and personality you see from the oldest to the most recent videos is literally the opposite of what you would see if someone were raising their frequency or attaining some form of enlightenment.

Scouring the channel, my initial assessment has been galvanized. The whole thing is a synthesis of truths, half truths, and outright BS, none of which is original to QC herself. The woman is a charlatan

She is trying to make videos that cover a variety of topics that would help source players to discuss.

As for her appearance, you cannot make judgements on a person because of their appearance. She is elderly, so that is why she appears the way she does.

Her personality has not changed at all.

You have not looked deep into this channel at all to look at all of the original informatio. She has provided. I have watched all her videos, and I can say for certain that she has provided original information.

You have not shown that you understand anything she talks about, and from what I can tell about you, it is clear that you don't.

If you think that she is wrong about some statements then why don't you actually explain what they are?

And I can point out many statements from Quartz Crystal that are original.

[PurpleLama]

Actually, you are incorrect. There are many cults with no physical interaction, thanks to this thing called the internet.

That said, what we have here with QC is not a cult. It is a scam, designed to prey upon those who are very new to the journey of awakening, or whatever you want to call it.


I fell asleep early last night, so I woke extra early this morning. I decided to give this subject of QC a little due diligence. You can literally find a thread on this forum about 90% of the topics she covers in her socalled self hypnosis videos.

Here is one of many examples:

vDCpsIA0dUM

Know thyself. Hmmm, that sounds a little familiar. LOL

Calling it a scam is just what you say to reject it because it does not fit with your beliefs and/or worldview.

By calling it a scam you are making a baseless rejection of this information, and this is rooted in your ignorance of the information.

You call this a scam and yet you have not explained why any of the statements in my OP are wrong. You have not teied to explain why what she is saying is wrong, you have just tried to call her a scam. You are attacking the channel instead of offering any legitimate criticism. This is very ignorant of you, and it shows that this is just a reaction that you have to this information and not any reasonable points against it.

You do not have rigorous reasoning that would show that she must be a scam, all that you have is words and accusations.

Actually, you are once again woefully incorrect in your assumptions. If you had ever bothered to read any of my contributions to this board over the last eight years you might see otherwise. That goes for most of the people trying to engage you in this thread.

I know, have worked with, have utilized and espoused, a great deal of the same information she presents in her videos. The point has been repeated ad nauseum in this thread that most of her material is nothing new. The difference is, I don't have a youtube channel where I try to pretend to the the sole arbiter of wisdom and insist you pay me for it. You see, to package such information and try to make a profit from it, is not just a low vibration activity, it is just plain wrong. That is what makes this a scam.

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And I can point out many statements from Quartz Crystal that are original.

By all means, please do.

[sourcetruth]

While the concepts that Quartz Crystal discusses are known among others, what she has done is taken all of these concepts one step further and unified them into a single framework of understanding. The originality is not only in having all of these concepts, but that she makes them united into a single understanding while also incorporating many original concepts and statements as a fundamental part of this framework.

She has concepts that are original, but she also has a lot to say about concepts that are known by others, and what she says about these concepts is what is original. The concepts such as soulless ones, not eating meat, and other concepts are known by others but Quartz Crystal takes it one step further and explains and provides more information about these concepts, which is what is original about how ahe informs about these concepts.

[PurpleLama]

Name ONE original concept.

[sourcetruth]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.

[Universoul]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.

So I said I wouldn't be posting in this thread anymore. I thought the Quartz info was harmless. I'm not sure I believe that.

Project Avalon has many posters who are capable of speaking for themselves and for the betterment of forum. I'm chiming in for those who may want to read these words. Judgemental messages that reduce most people to soullessness are not messages that belong on this forum in my opinion. If you are in a tough place sourcetruth seek healing, you shouldn't try to say those limiting outlooks are objective truths. We can always practice compassion and open mindedness with our outlooks.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

This is talked about on contemporary spiritual/new age sites. Some would be the Cassiopeian transcripts and montalk.net which say this is a "service to self" world. These other sources do not have the absolutist/condemning attitude that Quartz does. The information is presented in a more open minded way and not as absolute truth.

The idea that the material self is wrong is nothing new, it is woven into every religion and spiritual system that seeks the preservation of consciousness at a waking level and seeks to ascend to higher levels. The problem is people sometimes leave compassion and wisdom behind to seek "higher".

The flaw might be when we look at ourselves, including our material selves and this Earth, in a negatively judgmental way rather than with self acceptance and integration.

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

The idea that everyone has limited energy and must recharge is nothing new, we must sleep to recharge! Cycles of wakefulness and rest, yin and yang, night and day, are at the basis of material universe reality.

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

This is again using basic universal knowledge. Most spiritual sites say the same. That reality is multidimensional and we are multidimensional. Many people sense this, they don't consciously know it yet know there is more to them and to reality.

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

5th dimension is a popular new age meme.

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

This is again part of the framework of life here. That people have energy and apply it to manifesting/living/learning. It is good to practice self awareness and learn balance. It's better to have compassion for those who haven't yet.

So, no new info or useful framework of old info-unless you believe judging most people as soulless is useful. Some people seek control rather than humbly admit how much they don't know.

The loving way to see different levels of soul growth is, you never know. Who knows what potential to develop the soul others have?! The idea is that anyone can. The true "good" work is working for the potential, not the guarantee, that others can awaken. Every good person is trying, sometimes they are ignorant or limited in their ways, yet they are trying. I would rather encourage their awakening, not judge them. I'm sure that many on Project Avalon feel the same way and strive to help others.

The negative/limiting way to see people is that they can never change or evolve. It doesn't matter what ways the negativity is spun, we should be wary of those who seek to limit consciousness and love.

The One, Spirit, so on, has expressed itself here from minerals to humans to expressions of life and consciousness we can't see. Who are we to judge? The greater picture is teeming with soul and loving light. Qualities like joy and love are Spirit at work. We all are where we are and are all loved.

What we focus on and cultivate is a choice. A framework of truth is something we must spend years building ourselves. It requires self integration and the most honest self exercise, and not just for ourselves-so that we can "be the change" and set examples for others.

[sourcetruth]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.


-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

Wrong. This is talked about in contemporary spiritual/new age/mysticism extensively. The most notable would be the Cassiopeian Transcripts and montalk.net which state this is a "service to self" planet in which life does "service to self" things like eat food and seek to ingratiate itself. These other sources however do not have the absolutist/condemning "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that Quartz does. The Cassiopeians, who claim to be from higher dimensions, even say that there is nothing inherently wrong about us or where we are. It is however advisable to strive to live with awareness and wisdom.

The concept of not eating meat and not having orgasms is talked about, but that is not all that thwre is to the statement.

The statement said that they drain energy and lower the frequency of the source players. So you are wrong about this not being original, you must not have understood how this was related to energy and frequency in the statement.

[PurpleLama]

While the concepts that Quartz Crystal discusses are known among others, what she has done is taken all of these concepts one step further and unified them into a single framework of understanding. The originality is not only in having all of these concepts, but that she makes them united into a single understanding while also incorporating many original concepts and statements as a fundamental part of this framework.

She has concepts that are original, but she also has a lot to say about concepts that are known by others, and what she says about these concepts is what is original. The concepts such as soulless ones, not eating meat, and other concepts are known by others but Quartz Crystal takes it one step further and explains and provides more information about these concepts, which is what is original about how ahe informs about these concepts.

So, what you are really saying is that you are unaware of any other frameworks that incorporate myriad spiritual tenets and truths under a single system. You are either being deliberately obtuse, or you are even more inexperienced that any would guess, and this your very first encounter with any such material.

I hope you can start naming the original concepts, as the people out there who have done the same thing as she, to synthesize wisdom and try to trademark it, such people are a dime a dozen.

Having watched several videos, now, i could enumerate some concepts that she expressed that were new to me, extending from the initial concept of "soulless ones", but it was nothing short of the sick byproduct of a deranged philosophy. To wit, she said in one of the videos that the soulless ones who are born to a life of suffering and poverty are just entities living a script designed to steal your energy by making you feel empathy or compassion for them, the implication being that you should not feel compassion for another human's suffering when you encounter it. That is just sick.

On the flipside, in the same video, she strongly iterates how a real source player will never experience real suffering, will never experience the discomforts of true hunger, will never experience a physical altercation where they experience bodily harm, and so on. Source players are not here to have really bad experiences.

Only to make a point, and not to make a threat, I will humbly invite you to meet me face to face, then we can really determine which of us is or isn't a source player according to her criteria. LOL

[PurpleLama]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.


-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

Wrong. This is talked about in contemporary spiritual/new age/mysticism extensively. The most notable would be the Cassiopeian Transcripts and montalk.net which state this is a "service to self" planet in which life does "service to self" things like eat food and seek to ingratiate itself. These other sources however do not have the absolutist/condemning "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that Quartz does. The Cassiopeians, who claim to be from higher dimensions, even say that there is nothing inherently wrong about us or where we are. It is however advisable to strive to live with awareness and wisdom.

The concept of not eating meat and not having orgasms is talked about, but that is not all that thwre is to the statement.

The statement said that they drain energy and lower the frequency of the source players. So you are wrong about this not being original, you must not have understood how this was related to energy and frequency in the statement.

If that is original, then how come i knew about such concepts derived from Buddhist philosophies long before QC or the Cassiopeians ever decided to talk about it?

[sourcetruth]

While the concepts that Quartz Crystal discusses are known among others, what she has done is taken all of these concepts one step further and unified them into a single framework of understanding. The originality is not only in having all of these concepts, but that she makes them united into a single understanding while also incorporating many original concepts and statements as a fundamental part of this framework.

She has concepts that are original, but she also has a lot to say about concepts that are known by others, and what she says about these concepts is what is original. The concepts such as soulless ones, not eating meat, and other concepts are known by others but Quartz Crystal takes it one step further and explains and provides more information about these concepts, which is what is original about how ahe informs about these concepts.

So, what you are really saying is that you are unaware of any other frameworks that incorporate myriad spiritual tenets and truths under a single system. You are either being deliberately obtuse, or you are even more inexperienced that any would guess, and this your very first encounter with any such material.

I hope you can start naming the original concepts, as the people out there who have done the same thing as she, to synthesize wisdom and try to trademark it, such people are a dime a dozen.

Having watched several videos, now, i could enumerate some concepts that she expressed that were new to me, extending from the initial concept of "soulless ones", but it was nothing short of the sick byproduct of a deranged philosophy. To wit, she said in one of the videos that the soulless ones who are born to a life of suffering and poverty are just entities living a script designed to steal your energy by making you feel empathy or compassion for them, the implication being that you should not feel compassion for another human's suffering when you encounter it. That is just sick.

On the flipside, in the same video, she strongly iterates how a real source player will never experience real suffering, will never experience the discomforts of true hunger, will never experience a physical altercation where they experience bodily harm, and so on. Source players are not here to have really bad experiences.

Only to make a point, and not to make a threat, I will humbly invite you to meet me face to face, then we can really determine which of us is or isn't a source player according to her criteria. LOL

Meet you face to face? I would certainly do that. But first, why don't you talk to me some other way online?

I did name the original statements in my previous reply to you at the end of page 14, I am not sure if you saw them.

I did not say that I am unaware of any other frameworks that do so, what I said was that her framework does so and that it does so originally, and that her framework as a whole is original in the way that it is a framework.

She did say that about soulless ones and source players, but after all, it is an explanation isn't it? I have heard the queation asked before of "why does god allow so much suffering in the world", and she actually has an answer to that question in a way that others don't. I see it as how she can answer yet another question that others strugfle to find an answer to.

She also has answers to queations that others don't, which is also part of how she is original.

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Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.


-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

Wrong. This is talked about in contemporary spiritual/new age/mysticism extensively. The most notable would be the Cassiopeian Transcripts and montalk.net which state this is a "service to self" planet in which life does "service to self" things like eat food and seek to ingratiate itself. These other sources however do not have the absolutist/condemning "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that Quartz does. The Cassiopeians, who claim to be from higher dimensions, even say that there is nothing inherently wrong about us or where we are. It is however advisable to strive to live with awareness and wisdom.

The concept of not eating meat and not having orgasms is talked about, but that is not all that thwre is to the statement.

The statement said that they drain energy and lower the frequency of the source players. So you are wrong about this not being original, you must not have understood how this was related to energy and frequency in the statement.

If that is original, then how come i knew about such concepts derived from Buddhist philosophies long before QC or the Cassiopeians ever decided to talk about it?

You are not understanding what I said. I said that the reasons behind not doing them are original, not that the idea of not doing them is original.

[PurpleLama]

Ok, fair enough. I will settle on deliberately obtuse.

Again, I will recommend that you not make assumptions about what I do or do not understand about the concepts she presents. The reasoning is not original, the ideas that eating meat or having orgasms may lower a persons energy or vibration or spiritual potential are literally thousands of years old and have been through countless reiterations. To quote Ecclesiastes, There is nothing new under the sun. Even that little tidbit of wisdom could be twisted around by QC to be made proprietary, I have no doubt.

[sourcetruth]

Ok, fair enough. I will settle on deliberately obtuse.

Again, I will recommend that you not make assumptions about what I do or do not understand about the concepts she presents. The reasoning is not original, the ideas that eating meat or having orgasms may lower a persons energy or vibration or spiritual potential are literally thousands of years old and have been through countless reiterations. To quote Ecclesiastes, There is nothing new under the sun. Even that little tidbit of wisdom could be twisted around by QC to be made proprietary, I have no doubt.

Deliberately obtuse? What do you mean by "deliberately"?
You can see that this does have originality to it, in the way that it is related to the other concepts.

The way that she describes how it relates to her concepts of energy and frequency is original.

She states that they drain energy from source players and puts them in the red zone frequencies. This relates to her concept of 11 frequency planes. When you relate this to everything else she says about energy then it is original.
Others may have said that it could lower someones spiritual potential, but they don't relate it to concepts of energy and frequency planes the way that Quartz Crystal does. And she doesn't speak of spiritual potential the same way that others do.

Answer this, do you agree that meat eating and orgasms hold back spiritual potential? If so, then shouldn't what she is saying have some legitimacy to you?

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This is not even considering all of the other statements she has which are original, I brought up a few in my post and you focused on just one. There are many other original statements that Quartz Crystal has made.

[PurpleLama]

Ok, just to be fair, I will concede that the 11 frequency planes as she espouses can be considered an original concept, but I make such a concession not because this is some new, groundbreaking and true revelation, I make this concession because her precept is entirely fabricated, she made it up. And while the details are perhaps somewhat unique to her, it is just another rip-off of countless other new-age wannabe gurus. I can't even begin to guess just how many such systems I have examined in the past.

Deliberately, willfully, on purpose, intentional. I believe you understand better than you admit where I and all the others who have engaged you on this thread are coning from. Ergo, you are either party to the scam, or you are so completely converted to it that you will entertain no notion contrary to what QC says.

Either way, I don't really expect you to agree with anything we say, rather this was all just for any other readers who may be making their own investigations into her material due to your spamming and promoting QC across the net.

[sourcetruth]

Ok, just to be fair, I will concede that the 11 frequency planes as she espouses can be considered an original concept, but I make such a concession not because this is some new, groundbreaking and true revelation, I make this concession because her precept is entirely fabricated, she made it up. And while the details are perhaps somewhat unique to her, it is just another rip-off of countless other new-age wannabe gurus. I can't even begin to guess just how many such systems I have examined in the past.

Deliberately, willfully, on purpose, intentional. I believe you understand better than you admit where I and all the others who have engaged you on this thread are coning from. Ergo, you are either party to the scam, or you are so completely converted to it that you will entertain no notion contrary to what QC says.

Either way, I don't really expect you to agree with anything we say, rather this was all just for any other readers who may be making their own investigations into her material due to your spamming and promoting QC across the net.

What you say about this being fabricated is just an accusation. It does not mean that it is made up just because you don't agree with it. She mkes many such original statements, and it is not reasonable to just reject all of them by saying that she made them up.

This is just a way for you to reject it without actually examining antthing that she says. You are not actually applying any rigorous reasoning as to why this must be fabricated, you are just claiming that it is.

Why would she make this up? If she really did make up all of these original statements, that would be a lot for someone to make up. There is no reasonable explanation as to how she would have intended to make something up and then arrive at making these statements.

Point B would be deciding to make something up, and point C would be arriving at these statements.

What you are saying must imply point B and point C are true in order for your statement that she fabricated it to be true. What is missing in your explanation is how she would have gotten from point B to point C. Not only would she have had to get to point C, but she would have had to do it many times. And she is doing all of this for what?

Notice that I didn't include point A. What point A would represent is her intention. She would have had to have an intention that would lead her to decide to make something up. You cannot explain what point A would be or how she woud have gotten from point A to B.

Others have said that she must have made this up just to get donations. This is also something that does not hold up logically.
She would have had to start at point A of wanting to get money. This is something that you can say about any youtuber or any one else who has a patreon.
How would she get from point A of wanting money to deciding that she must make up something to do so? It doesn't make sense. And how would she get from point B to C of deciding that she must make up this whole framework just to get donations? It makes no sense.

It makes even less sense that she would see this as a reasonable way of making money. Considering how little supporters she would have gotten from putting in all of this effort to fabricate all of the original details in her over 400 videos, she could have easily put her effort into doing something else to make money.

It is being said that because she is asking for donations that she must be a scam. This is not logical in any sense, and it does not apply any valid reasoning.

There are definitely other alternate explanations that could be considered, but they are not being considered because of ignorance. What if she just feels that she has put in a lot of time and effort into making these videos and she wants to be appreciated? There are other alternate explanations that are certainly much more logical then the accusation that this is a scam.

Calling this a scam to get donations is just a way for you and others that have said the same thing to have an excuse for your rejection of this information.

The rejection of this information is made not out of any rigorous, reasonable arguments, but rather a reaction to the statements that were made. Such statements like the idea that not everyone has a soul are causing a reaction that results in opposition to this information. Much of this information goes against the grain, which is why it is being opposed so much.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Since there are only 7,000,000,000 /5,000 = 1.4 million souls on earth and most of those have their own religion and beliefs, who she gonna sell this thought system to...the soulless ones?

Reaction to statements will very likely lead to forming an opinion, by the way...and rigorous, reasonable arguments are reserved for rigorous reasonable statements, which this scam does not offer.

[sourcetruth]

Since there are only 7,000,000,000 /5,000 = 1.4 million souls on earth and most of those have their own religion and beliefs, who she gonna sell this thought system to...the soulless ones?

Reaction to statements will very likely lead to forming an opinion, by the way...and rigorous, reasonable arguments are reserved for rigorous reasonable statements, which this scam does not offer.

No, there is a lot of source players out there that are searching for truth.

I can provide rigorous reasoning to support these statements.

I already addressed the claims that this was a "scam" in my previous post.

[Trisher]

Who is Barbara G Sandlin?

She is a person who watched Quartz Crystal's youtube videos and made a playlist out of them.

This one person on another forum tried to say that this person was actually quartz crystal, and now the people on this forum have been repeating that after that person came to this forum. They are doing this because they want to smear this thread in order to discredit it.

Do you think she personally knows Quartz Crystal or is a member of the cult?

No, there is no way that she personally knows her.

Don't be fooled by the other posters, there is no cult here, it is just a youtube channel. A cult implies there is a physical group associated with it, but there is none. They are just saying that out of their own ignorance.

I don't think you saw that I am the one who started this thread. I do not agree with the other posters at all. I started this thread to discuss the topics presented and others are smearing this by calling it a cult.

Its amazing how much you know about QC..right down to her motives and her friends.

I am actually relieved to know that source players are a rarity. More fictional people on this planet that are threatened by meat and orgasms would be quite a challenge to us all.

Winnie the Pooh is an original fiction and far more enjoyable. He is of course threatened by the too muchness of honey but enjoys it without restriction and sometimes just waits til he is thinner to extricate himself from difficult situations.

Trisher

[sourcetruth]

Who is Barbara G Sandlin?

She is a person who watched Quartz Crystal's youtube videos and made a playlist out of them.

This one person on another forum tried to say that this person was actually quartz crystal, and now the people on this forum have been repeating that after that person came to this forum. They are doing this because they want to smear this thread in order to discredit it.

Do you think she personally knows Quartz Crystal or is a member of the cult?

No, there is no way that she personally knows her.

Don't be fooled by the other posters, there is no cult here, it is just a youtube channel. A cult implies there is a physical group associated with it, but there is none. They are just saying that out of their own ignorance.

I don't think you saw that I am the one who started this thread. I do not agree with the other posters at all. I started this thread to discuss the topics presented and others are smearing this by calling it a cult.

Its amazing how much you know about QC..right down to her motives and her friends.

I am actually relieved to know that source players are a rarity. More fictional people on this planet that are threatened by meat and orgasms would be quite a challenge to us all.

Winnie the Pooh is an original fiction and far more enjoyable. He is of course threatened by the too muchness of honey but enjoys it without restriction and sometimes just waits til he is thinner to extricate himself from difficult situations.

Trisher

I do not see any real effort into putting forth reasonable statements in this post.

[Trisher]

Thank you teacher. I am afraid that I aim low and under achieve when the teacher repeats and repeats the same information.

Trisher

[sourcetruth]

Thank you teacher. I am afraid that I aim low and under achieve when the teacher repeats and repeats the same information.

Trisher

I do not understand what you mean by this post or your previous post.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I do not understand what you mean by this post or your previous post.

"Exactly".

[sourcetruth]

I do not understand what you mean by this post or your previous post.

"Exactly".

Explain it.

[Universoul]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.


-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

Wrong. This is talked about in contemporary spiritual/new age/mysticism extensively. The most notable would be the Cassiopeian Transcripts and montalk.net which state this is a "service to self" planet in which life does "service to self" things like eat food and seek to ingratiate itself. These other sources however do not have the absolutist/condemning "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that Quartz does. The Cassiopeians, who claim to be from higher dimensions, even say that there is nothing inherently wrong about us or where we are. It is however advisable to strive to live with awareness and wisdom.

The concept of not eating meat and not having orgasms is talked about, but that is not all that thwre is to the statement.

The statement said that they drain energy and lower the frequency of the source players. So you are wrong about this not being original, you must not have understood how this was related to energy and frequency in the statement.

Actually I wasn't finished with my post yet and could have worded that paragraph better, which I did with the finished post. See, we all have to correct ourselves sometimes.

and the C's and others say the same thing in different ways, with greater perspective and wisdom. Learn to read the underlying meaning of things otherwise you create petty arguments of "MY truth is more unique" and "You are wrong".

Also don't try to tell me what I understand. You make a lot of presumptions about people. If you are a teenager I'm guessing you don't like when people try to tell you who you are or what you know. So why would you approach others that way? This is a forum of open minded people often with years of their own spiritual work. People who would agree it's not about saying "this" system is best and imply it should rule over all others, it's about doing your own work and accepting that there are many frameworks out there. When we congregate and share ideas on a forum it's not to argue over those. It's to seek the truth and common ground present in all of us. So we can say, yeah I went through my personal stuff and have systems which helped me, yet I'm also not that unique or alone in this process because others have faced similar things in their own ways. What matters TODAY is that we find the common ground, share and synthesize what we know, and set out to move forward. To co-create with more consciousness, compassion, and wisdom.

Co-creation takes work. It's easier to say or imply "I'm right and you're wrong if you don't believe me". What challenge is there in that?! What kind of robustness does a closed mind create?! If you want people to consider YOUR perspective you have to learn to talk to them!

Then again the internet is a cynical place so you could merely be here to promote a channel.

[Sue (Ayt)]

This is just a way for you to reject it without actually examining antthing that she says. You are not actually applying any rigorous reasoning as to why this must be fabricated, you are just claiming that it is.
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The rejection of this information is made not out of any rigorous, reasonable arguments, but rather a reaction to the statements that were made. Such statements like the idea that not everyone has a soul are causing a reaction that results in opposition to this information. Much of this information goes against the grain, which is why it is being opposed so much.

As in the info that the "moon is made of green cheese", it is not up to the audience to prove that this info is false, but up to the presenter to prove the info is truth.

So far, I have heard nothing from you in the way of any verification of her info. (just like others discussed in this forum, ie CG) Everything she presents is simply her personal speculation, like a myriad of other belief systems. There is (and cannot be) any evidence backing her statements.

So I look for personal truths... and you avoided my question twice. Has her system helped you personally? Are you healthier? Happier? More abundant in any way? More creative? What have you gained from embracing her rabbit-hole be-lie-f system? Where is your evidence?

Avalon peeps have examined you claims, and repeatedly come up with evidence that her system is not truth, meaning it holds little that is spiritually expansive to most.
Some of the hard evidence I have noted is:
1. She repeatedly asks for $$ on every vid of hers I have looked at.
2. You (her adherent) spam various forums repeatedly with cut and pastes yet don't cop to it or even address it as to why you do this behavior.
3. You have been caught in some lies.
4. Quartz Crystal degenerates in her physical self over the years in her youtube channel, beyond typical aging. (Generally spiritual revelations tend to regenerate the physical aspects of people.)
5. Neither you or QC exhibit any humor, or really any higher joyful frequencies that I have seen.
6. Whizzing through her many vids, clicking randomly, I never saw QC smile at all!
:ROFL::waving::sun:

[sourcetruth]

This is just a way for you to reject it without actually examining antthing that she says. You are not actually applying any rigorous reasoning as to why this must be fabricated, you are just claiming that it is.
<and>
The rejection of this information is made not out of any rigorous, reasonable arguments, but rather a reaction to the statements that were made. Such statements like the idea that not everyone has a soul are causing a reaction that results in opposition to this information. Much of this information goes against the grain, which is why it is being opposed so much.

As in the info that the "moon is made of green cheese", it is not up to the audience to prove that this info is false, but up to the presenter to prove the info is truth.

So far, I have heard nothing from you in the way of any verification of her info. (just like others discussed in this forum, ie CG) Everything she presents is simply her personal speculation, like a myriad of other belief systems. There is (and cannot be) any evidence backing her statements.

So I look for personal truths... and you avoided my question twice. Has her system helped you personally? Are you healthier? Happier? More abundant in any way? More creative? What have you gained from embracing her rabbit-hole be-lie-f system? Where is your evidence?

Avalon peeps have examined you claims, and repeatedly come up with evidence that her system is not truth, meaning it holds little that is spiritually expansive to most.
Some of the hard evidence I have noted is:
1. She repeatedly asks for $$ on every vid of hers I have looked at.
2. You (her adherent) spam various forums repeatedly with cut and pastes yet don't cop to it or even address it as to why you do this behavior.
3. You have been caught in some lies.
4. Quartz Crystal degenerates in her physical self over the years in her youtube channel, beyond typical aging. (Generally spiritual revelations tend to regenerate the physical aspects of people.)
5. Neither you or QC exhibit any humor, or really any higher joyful frequencies that I have seen.
6. Whizzing through her many vids, clicking randomly, I never saw QC smile at all!
:ROFL::waving::sun:

None of those points "prove" that she is wrong. They are not reasons at all, just attacks and/or statements against the channel and me. None of them actually address what the channel is saying, tjey address the channel itself, which is why they don't prove anything.

As for #3, I have not been caught in lies, it is just a smear campaign against me.

She does not claim tgat it is her personal speculation, she claims that it is true.

I am not saying that the audience must prove this false, but I am pointing out that they haven't when they act like they have. I do have reasons that I understand this information to be true.

There can be evidence to back up her statements, I said that I could back up some statements with evidence.

[sourcetruth]

Here are some original statements made by Quartz Crystal. I will start with only a few, so that we can discuss these few concepts and how they are original. I want to start by focusing on these few.

-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

-Source players have daily supply energy that they are given to by the matrix, they also have a synergy cell that consists of stored energy

-A source player can exist on eleven frequency planes, which are determined by several factors

-A source player can unlock their script by reaching the 5th frequency plane

-Manifestation requires that a source player use up their source fractal energies to do so

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Name ONE original concept.

We will focus on the statements I listed in my last post, but it is just the beginning of all the original information.


-Meat eating and orgasms drain energy from source players which is used to power the matrix and they lower a source playwrs frequency to the red zone

Wrong. This is talked about in contemporary spiritual/new age/mysticism extensively. The most notable would be the Cassiopeian Transcripts and montalk.net which state this is a "service to self" planet in which life does "service to self" things like eat food and seek to ingratiate itself. These other sources however do not have the absolutist/condemning "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that Quartz does. The Cassiopeians, who claim to be from higher dimensions, even say that there is nothing inherently wrong about us or where we are. It is however advisable to strive to live with awareness and wisdom.

The concept of not eating meat and not having orgasms is talked about, but that is not all that thwre is to the statement.

The statement said that they drain energy and lower the frequency of the source players. So you are wrong about this not being original, you must not have understood how this was related to energy and frequency in the statement.

Actually I wasn't finished with my post yet and could have worded that paragraph better, which I did with the finished post. See, we all have to correct ourselves sometimes.

and the C's and others say the same thing in different ways, with greater perspective and wisdom. Learn to read the underlying meaning of things otherwise you create petty arguments of "MY truth is more unique" and "You are wrong".

Also don't try to tell me what I understand. You make a lot of presumptions about people. If you are a teenager I'm guessing you don't like when people try to tell you who you are or what you know. So why would you approach others that way? This is a forum of open minded people often with years of their own spiritual work. People who would agree it's not about saying "this" system is best and imply it should rule over all others, it's about doing your own work and accepting that there are many frameworks out there. When we congregate and share ideas on a forum it's not to argue over those. It's to seek the truth and common ground present in all of us. So we can say, yeah I went through my personal stuff and have systems which helped me, yet I'm also not that unique or alone in this process because others have faced similar things in their own ways. What matters TODAY is that we find the common ground, share and synthesize what we know, and set out to move forward. To co-create with more consciousness, compassion, and wisdom.

Co-creation takes work. It's easier to say or imply "I'm right and you're wrong if you don't believe me". What challenge is there in that?! What kind of robustness does a closed mind create?! If you want people to consider YOUR perspective you have to learn to talk to them!

Then again the internet is a cynical place so you could merely be here to promote a channel.

Saying that "they same the samething in different ways" does not mean that Quartz Crystal's reason is not original. You can say that other s have said the same things about meat eating and orgasm, but not that they have stated the same reasons for it as Quartz Crystal.

You clearly do not understand what distinction I am making here,becauae if you did I wouldn't have had to explain myself a second time. I doubt that you will get it this time, you may just pepeat the same thing in a different way.

[sourcetruth]

I will share with this thread an experience that leads me to decide that this information must be true.

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago. 3-4 months afer doing so I have noticed a strange phenomena. When I looked at the eyes of the "soulless" people, I could see a very strange effect, it resembled flashing in a way. It is a very real experience, amd I still can experience it ever since then. There is no other explanation for this phenomena that I experience other than that what Quartz Crystal stated was true about soulless ones, meat eating, orgasms, and energy.

The only explanation for this phenomena is that energy is being used to power the soulless ones, just like Quartz Crystal said.

[Bill Ryan]

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago.


https://darwinawards.com.

[sourcetruth]

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago.


https://darwinawards.com.


I assume that you are saying here something along the lines of the idea that meat eating and orgasms are natural or that it is part of our biology or evolution.

If so then I will say that it makes them something of animals to do, not of people who want to be more than animals.

[Bill Ryan]

I have not been caught in lies, it is just a smear campaign against me.


Well, actually you have, if withholding the truth in response to direct questions about your actions is the same as lying. (Which it is, of course.)

You've been posting near-identical information on Reddit, GLP (Godlike Productions) and ATS (Above Top Secret), concurrently with your deluge of posts here. It's pretty much a spamming campaign. There's nothing special about this thread, or the responses. It's the same as all the others.

If you really are a teenager (which I do rather doubt), you might be excused for being so naive that you thought readers wouldn't quickly catch wind of all this. But more serious is that you've continued to deny your evasiveness with the truth, which is a head-in-the-sand mixture of arrogance and immaturity — whatever age you are.

[sourcetruth]

I have not been caught in lies, it is just a smear campaign against me.



Well, actually you have, if withholding the truth in response to direct questions is the same as lying. (Which it is, of course.)



You've been posting near-identical information on reddit, GLP (Godlike Productions) and ATS (Above Top Secret), at the same time as you started posting on Avalon. It's pretty much a spamming campaign. There's nothing special about this thread, or the responses. It's the same as all the others.



If you really are a teenager (which I do rather doubt), you might be excused for being so naive that you thought readers wouldn't quickly catch wind of all this. But more serious is that you've continued to deny your evasiveness with the truth, which is a head-in-the-sand mixture of arrogance and immaturity — whatever age you are.

Why do I have to talk to you about everywhere that I post on? It is only going to derail the thread as it did when you brought it up, and ever since you made that post this thread has become flooded with opposition.
I didn't even have to tell you that one place that I posted on, I could have just ignored your question. The only reason that this question is being brought up is an attempt to attack amd discredit me because I have discussed this topic on other forums.

I have a very strong interest in this topic, which is why I want to discuss it in different places.

[Bill Ryan]

The only reason that this question is being brought up is an attempt to attack amd discredit me because I have discussed this topic on other forums.

I have a very strong interest in this topic, which is why I want to discuss it in different places.

Yes, you clearly do. But you still have all those other forums to use as your platform now.

You've been misusing Avalon, and you've been misusing the privilege of your membership. You've contributed nothing to the Avalon community, and the members have been quick to pick up on that.

That's why you've found yourself disliked and unaccepted here: not because of what you present (though that's highly flawed, and potentially dangerous), but because of the way you've conducted yourself. Your membership here is closed.

[Sue (Ayt)]

None of those points "prove" that she is wrong. They are not reasons at all, just attacks and/or statements against the channel and me. None of them actually address what the channel is saying, tjey address the channel itself, which is why they don't prove anything.


Of course they don't prove she is wrong. Nor can anyone here "prove" that the moon is not made of green cheese, or that cows do not jump over the moon, or that screaming monkeys do not fly out of peoples' butts at times...
Why would anyone even want to address claims such as these, unless there was even a smidgeon of evidence for such? (Debate is not attack.)

My 6 statements are observations, not attacks. (Perhaps "lies" should be changed to lie, that being the misrepresentation of your age here at PA.) But evasiveness, though not a lie per se, has certainly been noted.

Yes, best to look at evidence, so bring it on sourcetruth. What evidence do you have, personally or otherwise? (Heck - I even look for "evidence" for my own personal revelations, so I surely don't blindly accept QC just because she spouts something repeatedly.)

[Sue (Ayt)]

I will share with this thread an experience that leads me to decide that this information must be true.

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago. 3-4 months afer doing so I have noticed a strange phenomena. When I looked at the eyes of the "soulless" people, I could see a very strange effect, it resembled flashing in a way. It is a very real experience, amd I still can experience it ever since then. There is no other explanation for this phenomena that I experience other than that what Quartz Crystal stated was true about soulless ones, meat eating, orgasms, and energy.

The only explanation for this phenomena is that energy is being used to power the soulless ones, just like Quartz Crystal said.

OK - that I find interesting. But I don't necessarily agree that this is the only explanation for the experience you are having. I think there could be other explanations. It is interesting that you "see" energy from people's eyes, though.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Mashika]

I will share with this thread an experience that leads me to decide that this information must be true.

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago. 3-4 months afer doing so I have noticed a strange phenomena. When I looked at the eyes of the "soulless" people, I could see a very strange effect, it resembled flashing in a way. It is a very real experience, amd I still can experience it ever since then. There is no other explanation for this phenomena that I experience other than that what Quartz Crystal stated was true about soulless ones, meat eating, orgasms, and energy.

The only explanation for this phenomena is that energy is being used to power the soulless ones, just like Quartz Crystal said.

OK - that I find interesting. But I don't necessarily agree that this is the only explanation for the experience you are having. I think there could be other explanations. It is interesting that you "see" energy from people's eyes, though.

Oh that was just another twisted concept taken from Dolores Cannon, in the book "The Convoluted Universe Book V" she says this:



It gets easier and easier to identify these background people. For example, if you’re shopping at the grocery store, look into people’s eyes. Most won’t even acknowledge you but on occasion, you’ll see another real person as your eyes connect with one another. You’ll simply smile, knowing that this other person is part of the co-creation process while most of the other people were probably background people.

The QuartzCrystal people just added the flashing effect on top of the original idea, just like they did with most other concepts they integrated into the cult :)

I guess it doesn't matter now, but just wanted to point out how misleading this entire Source Truth cult is

🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I don't think I've ever encountered anyone quite so intransigent as sourcetruth. I definitely understand why he was unsubscribed, but there is still some value in this thread - as a behavioural study. I found it absolutely fascinating.

[Forest Denizen]

I don't think I've ever encountered anyone quite so intransigent as sourcetruth. I definitely understand why he was unsubscribed, but there is still some value in this thread - as a behavioural study. I found it absolutely fascinating.

Hey Star Mariner! I agree, I also found this absolutely fascinating for various reasons. My take on this was that there were 2 or more posters. The initial poster, was, it seemed to me, young. He exhibited many of the traits common to some teenagers.. for example, stubbornness, defensiveness, belligerence, petulance. The early posts were also remarkably inarticulate. This poster seemed to also exhibit behavior one might associate with someone who had been brainwashed. Very cult-like devotion to the Quartz Crystal speaker. Maybe her son.

Later posts were a bit more articulate and seemed to be coming from someone a little older and/or more mature. The entire episode was very curious!

[Trisher]

Would anyone who took the time to make 400 (albeit awful) cult videos and place them online, then accept someone else cutting and pasting them onto numerous forums across the internet? Then would they sit by without a word while this person gets banned from several forums because they cannot give anyone a straight answer, are arrogant and more than likely deranged?

I think not. There may have been two on the source account...one definitely Judy/Barbara.

Trisher

[TomKat]

Oh that was just another twisted concept taken from Dolores Cannon, in the book "The Convoluted Universe Book V" she says this:


It gets easier and easier to identify these background people. For example, if you’re shopping at the grocery store, look into people’s eyes. Most won’t even acknowledge you but on occasion, you’ll see another real person as your eyes connect with one another. You’ll simply smile, knowing that this other person is part of the co-creation process while most of the other people were probably background people.

Thanks for the Delores Cannon reference. It also brings to mind the movie, Inception.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I don't think I've ever encountered anyone quite so intransigent as sourcetruth. I definitely understand why he was unsubscribed, but there is still some value in this thread - as a behavioural study. I found it absolutely fascinating.

It really was quite fascinating to watch, and to try and figure the whole thing out!
Not sure if anyone is aware that there was an earlier, similar thread attempted at PA that I found when doing a search: Source player search: quartz crystal judy/matrix hacker/sovereign ki/ matrix simulation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104518-Source-player-search-quartz-crystal-judy-matrix-hacker-sovereign-ki-matrix-simulation&p=1252420&viewfull=1#post1252420) That OP was also a one-thread poster.

[ExomatrixTV]

I stand with you on this Ken and Star Mariner.

I'll be as brief and country simple as I can.

Quartz Crystal is a system that endorses a direct connection with a leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

It's the polar opposite of Spirituality: a direct connection with the Divine. No system needed. In fact a system is antithetical to Spirituality.

All religious and quasi-spiritual systems are built on the same few templates with a few details that differ. The outcome is ultimately the same; slavery to leadership, doctrine, dogma, rules, beliefs, elitism, proselytizing and money gathering for the leadership.

Quartz Crystal is a system. Many of us here have been around the sun more than a few times and we have experienced these systems and studied them carefully. That is why, sourcetruth, we have little to no inclination to engage in discussion of yet another system.

Be well and enjoy your life, I wish you the best, we all do :)

BTW, This is my story and I'm stickin' to it. Not interested in being drawn into discussion, nothing more to say.




Really well said :highfive::cat::clapping:

[PurpleLama]

Would anyone who took the time to make 400 (albeit awful) cult videos and place them online, then accept someone else cutting and pasting them onto numerous forums across the internet? Then would they sit by without a word while this person gets banned from several forums because they cannot give anyone a straight answer, are arrogant and more than likely deranged?

I think not. There may have been two on the source account...one definitely Judy/Barbara.

Trisher

I don't know, I think if we had the creator of the videos on hand, then they would have shown more aptitude for discussion. Personally I am torn between the idea that source was just a bot, for the apparently limited program for dialogue (lol) and source being a true believer with lots of money invested in the paradigm but short on intelligence and personality.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Would anyone who took the time to make 400 (albeit awful) cult videos and place them online, then accept someone else cutting and pasting them onto numerous forums across the internet? Then would they sit by without a word while this person gets banned from several forums because they cannot give anyone a straight answer, are arrogant and more than likely deranged?

I think not. There may have been two on the source account...one definitely Judy/Barbara.

Trisher

I don't know, I think if we had the creator of the videos on hand, then they would have shown more aptitude for discussion. Personally I am torn between the idea that source was just a bot, for the apparently limited program for dialogue (lol) and source being a true believer with lots of money invested in the paradigm but short on intelligence and personality.

I wrote a PM to Bill stating the same suspicion.

[Mashika]

Would anyone who took the time to make 400 (albeit awful) cult videos and place them online, then accept someone else cutting and pasting them onto numerous forums across the internet? Then would they sit by without a word while this person gets banned from several forums because they cannot give anyone a straight answer, are arrogant and more than likely deranged?

I think not. There may have been two on the source account...one definitely Judy/Barbara.

Trisher

I don't know, I think if we had the creator of the videos on hand, then they would have shown more aptitude for discussion. Personally I am torn between the idea that source was just a bot, for the apparently limited program for dialogue (lol) and source being a true believer with lots of money invested in the paradigm but short on intelligence and personality.

I wrote a PM to Bill stating the same suspicion.

I made quite a bit of research into who he was starting in September, i don't think that was a bot, but there were at least 3 people involved

The way it worked is that there was this person, who had very bad English and would post on several sites the exact same opening ad, with the same video and the same description

Then it would wait for posts and questions and start answering, something repeating the same comment across different sites

Things like "I did not understand your reply or your previous reply" would be posted on different sites as soon as someone would make a difficult comment

Soon after the entire writing style would change to someone with better English, then they would try to lead people into watching the videos before commenting again, once that failed we could see lots of insults such as "You don't understand because you are ignorant and soulless" among other things

If someone came up with rational thoughts or more advanced knowledge, then we would see yet another writing style change, this time with someone who would not just dismiss people as soulless and ignorant but would actually try to explain concepts and use logic

There may have been a 4th person involved once the fight was lost, as it is happening on ATS right now but it could also be the second person again, as it seems to try to keep the conversation alive but is not being a complete bot saying things like "you don't understand because you have not watched the videos", "you can't understand because you don't have a soul" or "you say that because don't understand" and instead is trying to reach a bit into people.

Meaningless as it is after all that crazy stuff, i think there's a lot of stuff to learn from this :) and i know i probably went beyond acceptable with the bullying but i also thought i was talking to a bot for a while, until i started seeing some other stuff, while reading back.

So i think there were at least 3 players involved, possibly 4 with the current one taking over since the account on this site was banned

If you go to Reddit and compare with the initial posts on any other forum i think you can see that

https://www.reddit.com/user/sourcetruth/comments/

[Bill Ryan]

So i think there were at least 3 players involved, possibly 4 with the current one taking over since the account on this site was banned

If you go to Reddit and compare with the initial posts on any other forum i think you can see that

https://www.reddit.com/user/sourcetruth/comments/

Interesting. I just checked his IP addresses. Pennsylvania, Memphis, San José, and New Jersey. :)

[Mashika]

So i think there were at least 3 players involved, possibly 4 with the current one taking over since the account on this site was banned

If you go to Reddit and compare with the initial posts on any other forum i think you can see that

https://www.reddit.com/user/sourcetruth/comments/

Interesting. I just checked his IP addresses. Pennsylvania, Memphis, San José, and New Jersey. :)


Several members suspected multiple people were using the SourceTruth account, I know I did as well

Feels good to know instinct was right :D

[Peter UK]

I made quite a bit of research into who he was starting in September, i don't think that was a bot, but there were at least 3 people involved

The way it worked is that there was this person, who had very bad English and would post on several sites the exact same opening ad, with the same video and the same description

Then it would wait for posts and questions and start answering, something repeating the same comment across different sites

Things like "I did not understand your reply or your previous reply" would be posted on different sites as soon as someone would make a difficult comment

Soon after the entire writing style would change to someone with better English, then they would try to lead people into watching the videos before commenting again, once that failed we could see lots of insults such as "You don't understand because you are ignorant and soulless" among other things

If someone came up with rational thoughts or more advanced knowledge, then we would see yet another writing style change, this time with someone who would not just dismiss people as soulless and ignorant but would actually try to explain concepts and use logic

There may have been a 4th person involved once the fight was lost, as it is happening on ATS right now but it could also be the second person again, as it seems to try to keep the conversation alive but is not being a complete bot saying things like "you don't understand because you have not watched the videos", "you can't understand because you don't have a soul" or "you say that because don't understand" and instead is trying to reach a bit into people.

Meaningless as it is after all that crazy stuff, i think there's a lot of stuff to learn from this :) and i know i probably went beyond acceptable with the bullying but i also thought i was talking to a bot for a while, until i started seeing some other stuff, while reading back.

So i think there were at least 3 players involved, possibly 4 with the current one taking over since the account on this site was banned


Absolutely fascinating.

Several of us were in PM mode over our strong suspicions that there was more than just the one poster involved, the research here ramps the whole thing up several notches.

Kudos Mashika.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[PurpleLama]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

[Peter UK]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it,.........

Yes, you did.

:)

[Frank V]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

Oh, he's into the QC stuff already now ─ and like a rabid dog, for that matter. He's been driving me up the walls since he got there. :facepalm:

[Peter UK]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

Oh, he's into the QC stuff already now ─ and like a rabid dog, for that matter. He's been driving me up the walls since he got there.

My thoughts rest with you.

:)

As the saying goes - forewarned is forearmed.

[Frank V]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

Oh, he's into the QC stuff already now ─ and like a rabid dog, for that matter. He's been driving me up the walls since he got there.

My thoughts rest with you.

:)

As the saying goes - forewarned is forearmed.

The thing is, when he showed up at our doorstep, I had no idea who he was, because I hadn't been monitoring this thread, and I only found this thread after I had already approved of his registration. And then he went straight into the Bill-bashing, and I could tell there was something "not right" about his tenacity and his rejection of whatever anyone said.

Meanwhile, The Purple One challenged him to open the debate about that YouTube channel, most likely with the intent of showing him that his cult religion wouldn't work at The One Truth any more than it did here at Project Avalon, or Above Top Secret, or any other forum where he's been proselytizing. A bold challenge, but I can see why it was needed.

Things got sour pretty quickly, and last night (Central European Summer Time) I made the call to close his thread. My colleagues in the mod room were all in agreement.

So now it'll remain to be seen where he goes from there. I don't expect him to stick around all that much longer, and should he decide to become an agent provocateur in order to rally support from the few members who might still be holding a grudge against Bill or Project Avalon, then he's going to be defying gravity for a few seconds on his way out the door. I've already given him more than one clear shot across the bow.

The ball is in his camp now. :unsure:

[TomKat]

None is soulless I would say but different level of awareness in it's development, not all are on the same level in life experience and/or reincarnation and development of being.

I tend to agree the thought presented is dangerous and evil in nature to want to support these "better beings" and trash the rest as scrap to be littered and forgotten. The thought that all these things have no value sets a kinda of path of resentment and being of superiority in your own thought is what leads to all that which we might perceive as evil at it's core.
None are better in the grand scheme of things and to be perceived as having a grander value as another.

These things are all to often taken to their extreme in life leading to conflict. Think of all the ideologies in the world where the one thinks of itself superior denouncing another making their way 'right' and doing all things evil if one wants to go here.
To many find the idea of superiority of themselves too grand and a way to cope with oneself when they aren't right in their life to be too complex to see straight on for what it might be. It's self protection to find these things to try protect oneself when things aren't going one's own way trying to grasp at things like this thinking "You" are a "better!" than those scum you see in front that might not think or do things the way you want things done. There are other ways than yours to the world at large, perception that there is not only your way.

There is no such things only 1.500.000 souls on earth. What a precise concept that there is such a amount of souls to be around only!

I find spiritually elitist ideas interesting to entertain. Gary Douglas of Access Consciousness (a Scientology spin-off) says that slightly more than half the population is highly limited in awareness, whereas the other half are the sparks, the can-do people. I try to apply this but usually only find about 25% to fit his description of the dullards, at least in the city. Out in the small towns, he may be right.

I found this Laura Knight-Jadczyk Camelot interview on bitchute that seems to agree with Gary Douglas:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jNnUpxdpEZb3/

This is a part of the interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk for Project Camelot by Kerry Cassidy. We were privileged to be guests of Laura Knight-Jadczyk for a couple of days during the filming of this fascinating interview. Laura is a brilliant researcher into the nature of consciousness, the matrix and the underlying psychology of pathology at https://cassiopaea.org/forum/

In his book "Gnosis", Boris Mouravieff introduces the concept of two races of humanity. These are respectively called Adamic and pre-Adamic man. The Cassiopaeans use the term "organic portal" to refer to a pre-Adamic man. The difference between Adamic and pre-Adamic man is that pre-Adamic man does not have an individuated soul. In all other respects, pre-Adamic man is indistinguishable from Adamic man. Pre-Adamics do not have the so-called "higher centers". If one attributes soul qualities to pre-Adamic man, one is seeing a reflection of another's soul in the pre-Adamic and mistaking it for the individuated soul of the Adamic man. In the natural state of matters, the pre-Adamic form would be an intermediate step between a species soul pool as exists in the animal kingdom and the fully individuated soul of an esoterically developed human. At the present time, however, fourth density service to self forces exploit pre-Adamic man as a tool, often for derailing attempts at esoteric work. Pre-Adamic man is native to the present third density Earth and is not subject to the Biblical Fall of man. In a sense, pre-Adamics are even better suited to this world than Adamics, who carry a longing to a dimly remembered Edenic state. The gene pool of humanity is so mixed that Adamics and pre-Adamics can coexist in the same families and no outward test can be used for determining the nature of any one person. Even if one possessed an individuated soul in potential, one would be little different from a similar pre-Adamic person until undertaking esoteric development. Psychopaths are, according to the Cassiopaeans, "malfunctioning pre-Adamics."

[Mashika]

Hi Guys, an update on this

On www.oom2.com, user RamblerNash has uncovered the fraud of SourceTruth

And yes as most people thought, there was no 17 year old dude :)

Full Details Here

SCAMMER ALERT! - Judy aka Quartz Crystal the Source Player is PLAYING You for DONATIONS! - PLUS A CULT MEMBER CONVERSATION - Page 14 Empty Re: SCAMMER ALERT! - Judy aka Quartz Crystal the Source Player is PLAYING You for DONATIONS! - PLUS A CULT MEMBER CONVERSATION (http://www.oom2.com/t43156p390-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations-plus-a-cult-member-conversation#145095)

Short snippet:

SourceTruth created a facebook group at the same time he started promoting QC last September, he mentioned it before but never posted a link to it. A few days ago after RamblerNash completely took down some of the concepts of QC, SourceTruth was forced to stop posting on oom2.com since he was unable to follow through with the conversation, but he went into Reddit and made a post where he listed a blog he created, a discord server and the facebook group he mentioned before

Long story short, the facebook group has all the info of who created the group, date it got created + other stuff all public, so from there the group creator turns out to be some guy in his 40's or something, named Steven Wilson

When confronted with the evidence, all SourceTruth said was



Ramblernash, all I have to say is:
So what?


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42028&d=1576480257

[ExomatrixTV]

SCAMMER ALERT (http://www.oom2.com/t43156-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations-plus-a-cult-member-conversation)! - Judy aka Quartz Crystal the "Source Player" is Playing You for Donations! - Plus A Cult Member Conversation

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[ExomatrixTV]

Bill Ryan of Project Avalon - Debate Challenge! (http://www.oom2.com/t66748-bill-ryan-of-project-avalon-debate-challenge-a-quartz-crystal-minion-sourcetruth-failure) A Quartz Crystal Minion "Sourcetruth" Failure!

[Bill Ryan]

Bill Ryan of Project Avalon - Debate Challenge! (http://www.oom2.com/t66748-bill-ryan-of-project-avalon-debate-challenge-a-quartz-crystal-minion-sourcetruth-failure) A Quartz Crystal Minion "Sourcetruth" Failure!Jeez! I never saw that.

Not a chance. :)

(Aside: Malisa, who was posting there regularly, is our very own Mashika (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1331830#post1331830).... see her avatar.)

[Thevortexpurple]

I can show you that. Sourcetruth. Updated
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13216-New-Agers-R-Us/page19?highlight=sourcetruth
Made some updates about himself and what he believes.
I was considering registering for the forum, but it doesn't seem like they are a forum that I would respect much if at all. I mean, they don't allow anything that puts suspicion and blame on the whole, like. The institutions which run this world.
The las I heard from him, on the web, is that he doesn't believe in using vaccines anymore. That was a while back, as far back as I know.

[Thevortexpurple]

I can tell that he, or his mom. Were probably the ones who were moving around a lot, all the time.
At least, if Jandeane81.com is correct. If he even is, like. a guy. Or what if he's also, like transgender?
I believe, I met him on the web, sometime.

[Thevortexpurple]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!
Oh, he's into the QC stuff already now ─ and like a rabid dog, for that matter. He's been driving me up the walls since he got there. :facepalm:
It would be really funny. If he was actually a rabid dog, and we just happened to believe he was human.
However. if he was just bitten by one, it would actually explain what's wrong, mentally, with him, here.

[Thevortexpurple]

After looking into the channel more closely: I am actually quite concerned about some of what she has said myself.
In fact: I am worried, or concerned, that the whole channel itself, may have been a setup of some sort.
What kind of a setup, you may ask? I have no clue.

[Thevortexpurple]

Update: I also happen to be quite concerned about the fact that there was an issue with the whole idea of Soulless ones.

[Thevortexpurple]

Well: Because of the fact that: It could itself be a dangerous idea to be spreading to people, as well as very concerning in general to be spreading. Especially on the Internet.
After all: It seems that considering that there was this discussion on the topic about this concept of this sort of an end of time event, where apparently, according to her, all of the "Soulless Ones" are going to be removed:
IE: Many people are going to be dying, apparently.
Then: It's very concerning considering the circumstances. After all: if that is really the case:
Well: it could be also that she was "priming" us for this sort of a potential event, so-to-say, if it were happen. Because: It is indeed possible that there could be a number of various kinds of Apocalyptic Scenarios which play out on the world stage.
Such as: For example: There being this whole deal with the Aliens.
It could be possible that Aliens are planning an invasion of some sort. In fact: One of the Aliens, could indeed have made the channel themselves, and they could