A Youtube channel named Quartz Crystal. Says many interesting things about how Source Players create the matrix.

[sourcetruth]

There is a youtube channel called Quartz Crystal I have been watching for a while now.
This is her channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxL7oyImNVf7ym8ffCV-MSA

This is her first youtube video, she covers the basics here:
https://youtu.be/2iaeb_nCRbE
2iaeb_nCRbE

She has posted over 400 videos about the matrix (what this reality really is)
She talks about what this reality really is which is a matrix that we are creating to experience it.

This is what she talks about the matrix itself
- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
- source entered into the game as source players
- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
- the matrix as a whole is scripted to be a certain way
- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed
(you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you

This is what she says about how source player have energy in the matrix:
- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
- souls use their energy to create the matrix
- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
- they can do this once they unlock their script and get to a higher frequency
- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self

In the matrix, there are source players, soulless ones, and entities. Soulless ones are the people without souls, and source players are the people with souls. Entities are soulless beings that exist in the matrix but not people. So entities would be creatures like reptilians and aliens.

The soulless ones are powered by something called energy. When source players do lower frequency activities such as eating meat and having sex then they lose their energy and it is used to power the soulless ones.
There are eleven frequency levels for source players to be on. Until you stop eating meat you will not be able to rise to level 5 or higher.

What is even more interesting is that she said this matrix we are currently in is actually a secondary matrix that was created from the primary matrix that we are hooked up to, but that both are powered by source energies. She says that there are entities that come from the primary matrix and plug into the physical matrix and that it includes entities such as aliens and reptilians.

I have been doing all of the things she has said to do.

Do you consider yourselves to be source players as well?

[RogueEllis]

I would be interested in knowing all eleven frequencies. The rest is too complicated for my simpleton brain parts to grasp.

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting stuff — but (though this may be off-topic here! :) ) I reject the meat-eating dictum. It's far more intricate than that.

For instance, I know many vegetarians and vegans who still kill bugs (or even rats and mice in their houses) without a second thought. It's the quality of awareness and empathy with all living things that matters, and with many people, no matter what they eat, that's absent or lacking. Awareness of and sensitivity to our environment can be reflected in MANY different ways in our human lives.

[sourcetruth]

I agree, it is indeed about having respect for all life. I don't kill bugs myself, and I am also vegan.
Killing bugs would also lower your frequency and drain energy because when you intend to do such harm then it is a lower frequency behavior. When you have respect for all life then it will be higher frequency, and that does include being vegan and also not killing bugs.

[sourcetruth]

The first four frequencies are the red zone frequencies. Currently it is only levels 3 and 4 because levels 1 and 2 have been removed. These are not the frequencies that will benefit you to be on and you cannot manifest in these frequencies. Once you remove meat from your diet you rise to level 5 after some time. At level 5 you can unlock your script and you can achieve a source self connection. Frequencies 5-9 are considered blue zone frequencies. After you do that you rise to the other frequencies. Frequencies 10 and 11 are outside the box frequecies. Higher frequency means you get more energy and have more power in your intent.

[Justplain]

I find it hard to believe that only 1.5m people on earth have souls. Knowing animals, they have spirits too. I don't think that this matrix interpretation is accurate in this regard.

[RogueEllis]

The first four frequencies are the red zone frequencies. Currently it is only levels 3 and 4 because levels 1 and 2 have been removed. These are not the frequencies that will benefit you to be on and you cannot manifest in these frequencies. Once you remove meat from your diet you rise to level 5 after some time. At level 5 you can unlock your script and you can achieve a source self connection. Frequencies 5-9 are considered blue zone frequencies. After you do that you rise to the other frequencies. Frequencies 10 and 11 are outside the box frequecies. Higher frequency means you get more energy and have more power in your intent.

Are these frequencies reveled in the videos? Can you share what they are? Can a person and a person's environment exist on separate frequencies?

[sourcetruth]

You can say they have something spirit-like associated with them, but that is not the same as having a soul. Animals have something which is spirit like but not a soul. A soul is connected to source while a spirit-like entity is not.

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Yeah, in other videos made by the same channel they go into depth about the frequencies. It is mostly that the higher frequency plane the more energy you get and the more powerful you are and your intention is.

Can a person and a person's environment exist on separate frequencies?
Yes, because a person can talk with and interact with soulless ones on a lower frequency plane.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I have always found the concept of viewing others, whether it be groups, those you label "evil", or others you simply don't like, as "soulless" as being a very dangerous concept to embrace.
There are items on the list above I do resonate with, but I don't think I'd choose to dive into this reality tunnel full-force! haha (Of course, I generally don't prefer all or nothing belief systems anyway.)

But hey - thanks sourcetruth! It looks to be a very interesting video for me to watch and have FUN speculating on later tonight.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[TomKat]

Interesting stuff — but (though this may be off-topic here! :) ) I reject the meat-eating dictum. It's far more intricate than that.

For instance, I know many vegetarians and vegans who still kill bugs (or even rats and mice in their houses) without a second thought. It's the quality of awareness and empathy with all living things that matters, and with many people, no matter what they eat, that's absent or lacking. Awareness of and sensitivity to our environment can be reflected in MANY different ways in our human lives.

Eating meat is helpful for grounding with people who have done a lot of shadow work/clearing. For the average person who hasn't dissolved any heaviness out of his etheric body, the vegan lifestyle can lighten their energy in a positive way. The lighter your soul, the more powerful your thoughts, assuming you're sufficiently grounded.

[TomKat]

I agree, it is indeed about having respect for all life. I don't kill bugs myself, and I am also vegan.
Killing bugs would also lower your frequency and drain energy because when you intend to do such harm then it is a lower frequency behavior. When you have respect for all life then it will be higher frequency, and that does include being vegan and also not killing bugs.

I kill bugs all the time, and I have devoted my life for the last 45 years to spiritual perfection. An insect colony will use the death of individuals as sensory feedback to know where not to go. I used to chase wasps out of my backyard shed and they kept coming back. It wasn't until I started killing them that they got the message. The best way to get rid of ants is to squish a bunch of them and leave them there. This tells the queen not to go there anymore. To the degree you are willing to kill, you don't have to. I feel harmlessness is symptomatic of a guilty conscious. One is healthy to the degree they feel powerful, which implies potentially dangerous. You're not getting out of the matrix by practicing polarity.

[TomKat]

None is soulless I would say but different level of awareness in it's development, not all are on the same level in life experience and/or reincarnation and development of being.

I tend to agree the thought presented is dangerous and evil in nature to want to support these "better beings" and trash the rest as scrap to be littered and forgotten. The thought that all these things have no value sets a kinda of path of resentment and being of superiority in your own thought is what leads to all that which we might perceive as evil at it's core.
None are better in the grand scheme of things and to be perceived as having a grander value as another.

These things are all to often taken to their extreme in life leading to conflict. Think of all the ideologies in the world where the one thinks of itself superior denouncing another making their way 'right' and doing all things evil if one wants to go here.
To many find the idea of superiority of themselves too grand and a way to cope with oneself when they aren't right in their life to be too complex to see straight on for what it might be. It's self protection to find these things to try protect oneself when things aren't going one's own way trying to grasp at things like this thinking "You" are a "better!" than those scum you see in front that might not think or do things the way you want things done. There are other ways than yours to the world at large, perception that there is not only your way.

There is no such things only 1.500.000 souls on earth. What a precise concept that there is such a amount of souls to be around only!

I find spiritually elitist ideas interesting to entertain. Gary Douglas of Access Consciousness (a Scientology spin-off) says that slightly more than half the population is highly limited in awareness, whereas the other half are the sparks, the can-do people. I try to apply this but usually only find about 25% to fit his description of the dullards, at least in the city. Out in the small towns, he may be right. Mark Prophet, Elizabeth Claire Prophet's husband who started the cult, said many people have synthetic souls. And there are people who think there are only 144,000 souls on Earth, taken from the bible.
But when I think about all the possible timelines that co-exist, I wonder if maybe everyone is a soulless automaton on other timelines than the one they're currently inhabiting.

[Sue (Ayt)]

If I was stranded alone on a desert island with just about any human on earth, I can't imagine not connecting with that person's soul eventually.

[sourcetruth]

Interesting stuff — but (though this may be off-topic here! :) ) I reject the meat-eating dictum. It's far more intricate than that.

For instance, I know many vegetarians and vegans who still kill bugs (or even rats and mice in their houses) without a second thought. It's the quality of awareness and empathy with all living things that matters, and with many people, no matter what they eat, that's absent or lacking. Awareness of and sensitivity to our environment can be reflected in MANY different ways in our human lives.

Eating meat is helpful for grounding with people who have done a lot of shadow work/clearing. For the average person who hasn't dissolved any heaviness out of his etheric body, the vegan lifestyle can lighten their energy in a positive way. The lighter your soul, the more powerful your thoughts, assuming you're sufficiently grounded.

There are people that may teach that, but this sounds like the teachings of gurus that I would hear. Quartz Crystal talks about how many spiritual teachings are made by the matrix to misdirect source players with false knowledge. There is a lot that they teach that will not really help source players master the matrix but will make them think that they are.

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What you think you are connecting with is the energies that are going towards creating the programmed entity that animates the human. This is what we could call the spirit because spirit is the illusion of a soul.

[sourcetruth]

I agree, it is indeed about having respect for all life. I don't kill bugs myself, and I am also vegan.
Killing bugs would also lower your frequency and drain energy because when you intend to do such harm then it is a lower frequency behavior. When you have respect for all life then it will be higher frequency, and that does include being vegan and also not killing bugs.

I kill bugs all the time, and I have devoted my life for the last 45 years to spiritual perfection. An insect colony will use the death of individuals as sensory feedback to know where not to go. I used to chase wasps out of my backyard shed and they kept coming back. It wasn't until I started killing them that they got the message. The best way to get rid of ants is to squish a bunch of them and leave them there. This tells the queen not to go there anymore. To the degree you are willing to kill, you don't have to. I feel harmlessness is symptomatic of a guilty conscious. One is healthy to the degree they feel powerful, which implies potentially dangerous. You're not getting out of the matrix by practicing polarity.

This is the kind of talk that I hear a lot.
It usually goes like this:
"I have been eating meat and having orgasms or (insert a lower frequency activity here) for all my life, and I have been fine".

What the people that think like this don't realize is that because they have been living in the lower frequency realm their entire life, they haven never actually experienced the higher frequency realm, so they think that they enjoy their lower frequency experiences when they would have a much better experience in the higher frequency realm.

[sourcetruth]

None is soulless I would say but different level of awareness in it's development, not all are on the same level in life experience and/or reincarnation and development of being.

I tend to agree the thought presented is dangerous and evil in nature to want to support these "better beings" and trash the rest as scrap to be littered and forgotten. The thought that all these things have no value sets a kinda of path of resentment and being of superiority in your own thought is what leads to all that which we might perceive as evil at it's core.
None are better in the grand scheme of things and to be perceived as having a grander value as another.

These things are all to often taken to their extreme in life leading to conflict. Think of all the ideologies in the world where the one thinks of itself superior denouncing another making their way 'right' and doing all things evil if one wants to go here.
To many find the idea of superiority of themselves too grand and a way to cope with oneself when they aren't right in their life to be too complex to see straight on for what it might be. It's self protection to find these things to try protect oneself when things aren't going one's own way trying to grasp at things like this thinking "You" are a "better!" than those scum you see in front that might not think or do things the way you want things done. There are other ways than yours to the world at large, perception that there is not only your way.

There is no such things only 1.500.000 souls on earth. What a precise concept that there is such a amount of souls to be around only!

I would say that there are, in fact, soulless ones.
Although there are some ideas that we may not like the implications of, that is not a reason to not consider them or not discuss them.

The 1.5 million souls figure is based on what the youtube channel that I talked about said. She said that about 1 of 5000 people are souls, so therefore 1 in 5000 of people in the world is 1.5 million people.

[Peter UK]

If I was stranded alone on a desert island with just about any human on earth, I can't imagine not connecting with that person's soul eventually.

That was stated so unassumingly it just has to be true.

:)

[TomKat]

This is the kind of talk that I hear a lot.
It usually goes like this:
"I have been eating meat and having orgasms or (insert a lower frequency activity here) for all my life, and I have been fine".

What the people that think like this don't realize is that because they have been living in the lower frequency realm their entire life, they haven never actually experienced the higher frequency realm, so they think that they enjoy their lower frequency experiences when they would have a much better experience in the higher frequency realm.

OK Mr. Sourcetruth. Thanks for schooling me.
If I may school you for a minute: unless you have dissolved your shadow, your pretence of higher frequency is not a fact but merely a self-assertion. And my advice is to not follow any channelled material no matter how interesting or flattering. There are parasitic, theocratic entities that sit on the astral plane or the one above who just love to dole out complete philosophies to us peons down here, and their earthly followers don't do too well. If you wish to do yourself any good, you're better off listening to people down here with practical knowledge and experience. Or not...

[Billy]

A very enlightened man replied after being asked why he was not a vegetarian.

What you put into your body goes into the sewer, it has no importance.
What comes out from your body (meaning, your actions, your expressions, your thoughts your feelings your emotions and consciousness) is what is important.

Personally I would rather spend company with a soul who is kind, caring and respectful towards all humanity no matter what they eat.
Than spend time with with a Vegan or vegetarian you thinks they are a know it all and judges those who do not agree with their own life style choices. I know a few of those wannabe gurus and have no time for them.

The same enlightened man also said, By their fruits, you shall know them :bowing:

[Bill Ryan]

I find it hard to believe that only 1.5m people on earth have souls. Knowing animals, they have spirits too. I don't think that this matrix interpretation is accurate in this regard.

I'm absolutely certain that this statement is inaccurate. All humans have souls, regardless of how degraded or degenerate they are.

(We've all been around for an extremely long time. And some very bad things have happened to some souls. But they're still souls.)


I agree, it is indeed about having respect for all life. I don't kill bugs myself, and I am also vegan.
Killing bugs would also lower your frequency and drain energy because when you intend to do such harm then it is a lower frequency behavior. When you have respect for all life then it will be higher frequency, and that does include being vegan and also not killing bugs.

A serious question, not meant in antagonism. Just expanding the discussion.

Do you buy and wear leather shoes?

[sourcetruth]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

[sourcetruth]

I find it hard to believe that only 1.5m people on earth have souls. Knowing animals, they have spirits too. I don't think that this matrix interpretation is accurate in this regard.

I'm absolutely certain that this statement is inaccurate. All humans have souls, regardless of how degraded or degenerate they are.

(We've all been around for an extremely long time. And some very bad things have happened to some souls. But they're still souls.)


I agree, it is indeed about having respect for all life. I don't kill bugs myself, and I am also vegan.
Killing bugs would also lower your frequency and drain energy because when you intend to do such harm then it is a lower frequency behavior. When you have respect for all life then it will be higher frequency, and that does include being vegan and also not killing bugs.

A serious question, not meant in antagonism. Just expanding the discussion.

Do you buy and wear leather shoes?

No, I don't but leather shoes. Do you? It is about what intent I have and how I act on that intent. My intent is not to support any harming of animals, and that will raise my frequency.

I am sure that not everyone has a soul, because this reality only exists for the souls to experience it. There needs to be soulless ones in order to create this experience for the souls.

[sourcetruth]

A very enlightened man replied after being asked why he was not a vegetarian.

What you put into your body goes into the sewer, it has no importance.
What comes out from your body (meaning, your actions, your expressions, your thoughts your feelings your emotions and consciousness) is what is important.

Personally I would rather spend company with a soul who is kind, caring and respectful towards all humanity no matter what they eat.
Than spend time with with a Vegan or vegetarian you thinks they are a know it all and judges those who do not agree with their own life style choices. I know a few of those wannabe gurus and have no time for them.

The same enlightened man also said, By their fruits, you shall know them :bowing:

If you saw me in a different perspective, then you would see that I am only sharing practical knowledge that can help you.

[TomKat]

I am sure that not everyone has a soul, because this reality only exists for the souls to experience it. There needs to be soulless ones in order to create this experience for the souls.

Sounds like you've created a belief system that works for you. Now please go out and find some of these soulless people -- should be easy if your numbers are accurate. Try to get a recorded interview and post it here along with your comments about why it is obvious they have no soul. Can you do that? Then we'll know where you're coming from. Without that, it's just another empty philosophy.

I'm more of an animist. I believe everything has consciousness. In fact, the world around you is as conscious as you yourself are, or are not.

[sourcetruth]

I am sure that not everyone has a soul, because this reality only exists for the souls to experience it. There needs to be soulless ones in order to create this experience for the souls.

Sounds like you've created a belief system that works for you. Now please go out and find some of these soulless people -- should be easy if your numbers are accurate. Try to get a recorded interview and post it here along with your comments about why it is obvious they have no soul. Can you do that? Then we'll know where you're coming from. Without that, it's just another empty philosophy.

I'm more of an animist. I believe everything has consciousness. In fact, the world around you is as conscious as you yourself are, or are not.
The idea of soulless ones is not the main focus of this philosophy. The main focus of this philosophy is understanding the matrix. You have to validate the whole philosophy in order to validate this concept.

[Ernie Nemeth]

If I were to accept your treatise, I would have to accept one of two scenarios: I have never met anyone without a soul or I have never met anyone with a soul because the people I have met are all the same.

So, am I to accept that my daughter is most likely soulless? Or myself? Or that everyone I have ever met were most likely soulless automatons? That the world is run by these robots?

Also accepting that theory makes it very easy to dismiss anyone who does not seem good, doesn't it? And who becomes the arbiter of who are the few with a soul. And since most people believe they have souls, what?, are they fooled their whole lives? Poor soulless suckers? Worthy of nothing but derision and oblivion?

edit to add:
After thinking about it a bit more I think maybe there is a possibility that what you are talking about is the over-souls, as in the Seth material. Over-souls, according to Seth, are in charge of the conglomeration of individual souls...some having thousands in their charge.

[Nick Matkin]

The frequencies mentioned earlier... Are these electromagnetic oscillations or mechanical vibrations? At what speed to they propagate? When and how were their periods measured? What are those periods - i.e. the inverse of their frequency - in fractions of a second?

Just need to get the 'mechanics' of this concept straight. It's a bit vague so far.

Thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

If I were to accept your treatise, I would have to accept one of two scenarios: I have never met anyone without a soul or I have never met anyone with a soul because the people I have met are all the same.

So, am I to accept that my daughter is most likely soulless? Or myself? Or that everyone I have ever met were most likely soulless automatons? That the world is run by these robots?

Also accepting that theory makes it very easy to dismiss anyone who does not seem good, doesn't it? And who becomes the arbiter of who are the few with a soul. And since most people believe they have souls, what?, are they fooled their whole lives? Poor soulless suckers? Worthy of nothing but derision and oblivion?

Yes. I think I do have to step in here and say this is 100% pure nonsense. Categorically.

The claimed statistics imply that it's very unlikely that any Avalon members at all have a soul. (Or, maybe, just one. Perhaps it's you!!) Go figure. :)

[sourcetruth]

You will accept that almost all the strangers you meet and almost everyone you meet are soulless. It means that they are being animated by the matrix to appear like they have a soul.
I am not sure about your daughter. Family members may be more likely to be source players as well.
But this is not the main focus of the philosophy, the main focus of it is to focus on rising the frequency planes.

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They are frequency planes, which are dimensional planes, not an oscillation.

[Kindred]

From what I've read so far, there are Far too many Limitations to believe that all this info is accurate. I have found Far more 'believable' information via the 'Seth' series of books by Jane Roberts that tie in with other esoteric teachings. But, to be certain - his books, numbering about 15 not counting Jane's own books - can be a daunting read particularly for those who find reading a chore.

The central premise throughout his books is the Infinite Expansion and Evolution of Consciousness, with a primary theme being that YOU Create Your Reality.... if you wish for limitations, then you shall create them, in whatever fashion you feel is necessary for your Spiritual evolution.

Essentially, these teachings identifies that Each Of Us is in our Own Space-Time Continuum that is but a Part of everyone else's continuum's in an accepted telepathic co-creation where we agree on the placement, form and size of the physical objects that We Create. In other words... Each of us creates our Own 'matrix', in parallel coordination with everyone else.

One aside to this is that physicists know that what we perceive as 'solid matter' is Really 99.9999% Empty Space. As Seth elucidates, our consciousness perceives only that which we are 'tuned in to' perceiving, based upon the Limitations that we accepted upon manifesting into this Reality, and we typically Reject those perceptions that run counter to our accepted beliefs. However, with training and experience, we Can begin to tune in to those other Realities.

Some of these tenets proposed by Quartz Crystal, such as that of a central 'Entity' / SOUL / Oversoul / Higher Self that has many separate incarnations is not only identified by Seth, but is also described in Thiaoouba Prophecy in simpler terms. However, the idea that there are beings with 'No Soul', I find to be seriously of no merit and is further supported by many of the teachings throughout history.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Nick Matkin]

They are frequency planes, which are dimensional planes, not an oscillation.

Oh. What are dimensional frequency planes?

[Billy]

A very enlightened man replied after being asked why he was not a vegetarian.

What you put into your body goes into the sewer, it has no importance.
What comes out from your body (meaning, your actions, your expressions, your thoughts your feelings your emotions and consciousness) is what is important.

Personally I would rather spend company with a soul who is kind, caring and respectful towards all humanity no matter what they eat.
Than spend time with with a Vegan or vegetarian you thinks they are a know it all and judges those who do not agree with their own life style choices. I know a few of those wannabe gurus and have no time for them.

The same enlightened man also said, By their fruits, you shall know them :bowing:

If you saw me in a different perspective, then you would see that I am only sharing practical knowledge that can help you.

My personal perception tells me that what beliefs you are sharing are false. therefore you can never help me, if you have allowed yourself to believe what you share, You have allowed yourself to be fooled by someone else's belief system. A belief is not a knowing therefore there is no knowledge to be gained.


Journey carefully sourcetruth, allow personal experiences to be your teacher. :bowing:

[sourcetruth]

From what I've read so far, there are Far too many Limitations to believe that all this info is accurate. I have found Far more 'believable' information via the 'Seth' series of books by Jane Roberts that tie in with other esoteric teachings. But, to be certain - his books, numbering about 15 not counting Jane's own books - can be a daunting read particularly for those who find reading a chore.

The central premise throughout his books is the Infinite Expansion and Evolution of Consciousness, with a primary theme being that YOU Create Your Reality.... if you wish for limitations, then you shall create them, in whatever fashion you feel is necessary for your Spiritual evolution.

Essentially, these teachings identifies that Each Of Us is in our Own Space-Time Continuum that is but a Part of everyone else's continuum's in an accepted telepathic co-creation where we agree on the placement, form and size of the physical objects that We Create. In other words... Each of us creates our Own 'matrix', in parallel coordination with everyone else.

One aside to this is that physicists know that what we perceive as 'solid matter' is Really 99.9999% Empty Space. As Seth elucidates, our consciousness perceives only that which we are 'tuned in to' perceiving, based upon the Limitations that we accepted upon manifesting into this Reality, and we typically Reject those perceptions that run counter to our accepted beliefs. However, with training and experience, we Can begin to tune in to those other Realities.

Some of these tenets proposed by Quartz Crystal, such as that of a central 'Entity' / SOUL / Oversoul / Higher Self that has many separate incarnations is not only identified by Seth, but is also described in Thiaoouba Prophecy in simpler terms. However, the idea that there are beings with 'No Soul', I find to be seriously of no merit and is further supported by many of the teachings throughout history.

In Unity, Peace and Love

The idea that there are beings with no soul is just a consequence of the existence of the soul as being separate from the body. The body can exist without the soul, so there will be bodies that do have souls and bodies that don't.

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A very enlightened man replied after being asked why he was not a vegetarian.

What you put into your body goes into the sewer, it has no importance.
What comes out from your body (meaning, your actions, your expressions, your thoughts your feelings your emotions and consciousness) is what is important.

Personally I would rather spend company with a soul who is kind, caring and respectful towards all humanity no matter what they eat.
Than spend time with with a Vegan or vegetarian you thinks they are a know it all and judges those who do not agree with their own life style choices. I know a few of those wannabe gurus and have no time for them.

The same enlightened man also said, By their fruits, you shall know them :bowing:

If you saw me in a different perspective, then you would see that I am only sharing practical knowledge that can help you.

My personal perception tells me that what beliefs you are sharing are false. therefore you can never help me, if you have allowed yourself to believe what you share, You have allowed yourself to be fooled by someone else's belief system. A belief is not a knowing therefore there is no knowledge to be gained.


Journey carefully sourcetruth, allow personal experiences to be your teacher. :bowing:

I do have my own personal experiences that verify this information. By doing what she has told me, I have had personal experiences that verify what she is saying. That is how I know this to be true.

[sourcetruth]

They are frequency planes, which are dimensional planes, not an oscillation.

Oh. What are dimensional frequency planes?

The dimensional frequency planes are different energy states that a source player's five frequency bodies can exist on. They are planes of frequency because the higher frequencies correspond with higher energy states. The source player has a source fractal that is their soul, which exists on the eleventh energy state/frequency plane. The other four bodies can go into the lower energy states, and where they are located determine what energy state a source player will experience. In a higher energy state a source player is connected more with their source self, and more energy is allocated from source to be given to the source player to create their experience.

[NX.P]

For me it makes most sense when I see myself as a soul who has a body.

[Peter UK]

For me it makes most sense when I see myself as a soul who has a body.

Gotta love that one!

[sourcetruth]

For me it makes most sense when I see myself as a soul who has a body.

But can you see another body as not being owned by a soul? The soul and the body exist separately.

[Bill Ryan]

For me it makes most sense when I see myself as a soul who has a body.

Gotta love that one!

Yep. It's true! :)

I need to step in as a mod here. New members who join Avalon specifically to proselytize about one particular topic usually find themselves unwelcome fairly quickly. They can so very easily underestimate the intelligence, knowledge, experience, maturity and spiritual awareness of the community here. Avalon members are exceptional inasmuch as they do know and understand a very great deal.

Humility works. So does humor, openness, a willingness to come here and learn stuff as well as share stuff, and a lack of arrogance. It's not what you claim you know, it's how you conduct yourself. That matters.

It's always the most important thing. (In your family, or in a working environment, too. Not just here.)

Those qualities will earn you respect (anywhere!), and a bunch of new friends. Holding forth on spiritual subjects, claiming to be here on a mission to help others as soon as you walk in through the door, often ends in tears.

:focus:

[TomKat]

The idea of soulless ones is not the main focus of this philosophy. The main focus of this philosophy is understanding the matrix. You have to validate the whole philosophy in order to validate this concept.

Quartz, maybe you can point out some famous people who are soulless and compare them with some who have souls? That way I can evaluate your perception and know whether to further explore your philosophy.

[Peter UK]

The idea of soulless ones is not the main focus of this philosophy. The main focus of this philosophy is understanding the matrix. You have to validate the whole philosophy in order to validate this concept.

Quartz, maybe you can point out some famous people who are soulless and compare them with some who have souls? That way I can evaluate your perception and know whether to further explore your philosophy.

The epitome of graciousness!

:)

[ExomatrixTV]

She claims animals has "no Soul" ... what a Soulless assumption

[Nick Matkin]

They are frequency planes, which are dimensional planes, not an oscillation.

Oh. What are dimensional frequency planes?

The dimensional frequency planes are different energy states that a source player's five frequency bodies can exist on. They are planes of frequency because the higher frequencies correspond with higher energy states. The source player has a source fractal that is their soul, which exists on the eleventh energy state/frequency plane. The other four bodies can go into the lower energy states, and where they are located determine what energy state a source player will experience. In a higher energy state a source player is connected more with their source self, and more energy is allocated from source to be given to the source player to create their experience.

Right... but I'm none the wiser after all that. Since the forum's strap line is "..where science and spirituality meet", I thought it would be an opportunity for the science to be expressed in this matter.

Setting aside the precise definition of frequency (it does have a precise definition, which often gets overlooked in this sort of discussion), how do you know there are five frequency bodies? Or that "The source player has a source fractal that is their soul, which exists on the eleventh energy state/frequency plane"? I'm just trying to strip away the word salad and get to what it really is you're tying to explain.

Thanks.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Nick Matkin]

Nick Matkin

I think it's a little obtuse to try and coax such answers from these people. They have no definition or intricate knowledge to even begin to try answer you so why do you even go to the length to ask such technical questions what can in no proper way be even answered? They would need months of research and thought put into technical jargon and theories etc to even begin to try satisfy you with a proper answer for any sane normal person normally.
People lach the interest or the drive to go technical unless it's their underlying interest in life. Spiritual stuff usually excludes most of the reality based stuff we can actually "touch".

That's a really interesting answer Kamikaze. You say they'd need months of research... well they've had years. Probably decades. What do they have to show - other than a belief system?

I'm only asking questions based on what was actually written on the screen; I'm not making up any obscure trick questions. If these folks are going to write about "frequencies", "energy states" and "source fractals", I see nothing wrong in straightforward questions asking for an explanation - or dare I say it, evidence!

Reminder again - Project Avalon Forum, Chronicles of the human awakening, where science and spirituality meet.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[petra]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Hi Sourcetruth, I found a lot of similar material on montalk.net but he never touched on eating meat, at least not that I know of. I'd consider Tom Montalk the site owner to have an excess of practical knowledge and experience too, since he's been researching for a very long time.

The idea of meat lowering frequency makes some sense to me, since I believe there's such a thing as 'cell memory' (it's controversial). Cell memory is the idea that non-brain tissues can have memories, and supported by some people who have received organ transplants.

I find it hard to think of orgasm as a 'lower frequency' act though, since that's how we make babies.... new life! Maybe excessive orgasm would be lower frequency though, like what happens with porno addicts (blecch)

[ExomatrixTV]

She claims 1 out of 5000 Souls are "Source Beings" and rest are like "Agents Smith" (Matrix) .... now it could be true, but how does she know that as a "fact" ... maybe it is 1 in 4,000 or 1 in 10,000 where did she get the number 5000 from?

You see, I do not like anyone who is in to absolutism where there is no room for corrections if needed! Anyone claiming "authority" what he/she says or states does not make it so, in my book. Trust has to be earned, not blindingly given.

[ExomatrixTV]

Claiming someone (or more people) has (have) "no Soul" could be the first step to justify things you do, you normally wouldn't

A perfect excuse to make (hard) decisions?

cheers,
John Kuhles 17-9-2019

[Sue (Ayt)]

I relate the idea of the source players and soulless players to gaming. I've noticed the term "NPC" popping up in other spiritual web discussions.


"A non-player character (NPC) is any character in a game which is not controlled by a player." - wiki

It gives me a sick feeling every time I see someone heading in that direction. I actually suspect an agenda whenever I see that term used on the internet in regards to waking life. A propaganda tactic of dehumanization is a tactic that involves lumping a group together in such a way that takes away any individuality. And the push for divisiveness is rampant in these times. That's where labeling someone "soulless" leads. Just more divisiveness.

[East Sun]

No one can claim to know anything about soul. No one.

On whos authority do you think you know about soul?

[sourcetruth]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Hi Sourcetruth, I found a lot of similar material on montalk.net but he never touched on eating meat, at least not that I know of. I'd consider Tom Montalk the site owner to have an excess of practical knowledge and experience too, since he's been researching for a very long time.

The idea of meat lowering frequency makes some sense to me, since I believe there's such a thing as 'cell memory' (it's controversial). Cell memory is the idea that non-brain tissues can have memories, and supported by some people who have received organ transplants.

I find it hard to think of orgasm as a 'lower frequency' act though, since that's how we make babies.... new life! Maybe excessive orgasm would be lower frequency though, like what happens with porno addicts (blecch)

I have seen the site montauk.net. Although he may have been researching these topics for a while, there are very little or maybe even no resources that will say that eating meat keeps you in the lower frequency realms and drains energy from you. There are no sources at all that explain how not eating meat and orgasm fit in with other knowledge about the matrix. Maybe if I contacted the site owner, I could ask him about all of this.

Orgasm fits in with drugs as being lower frequency. In order to make that pleasure feeling than energy has to be used from your source energies to create that in your existence. That makes it lower frequency as well because you are giving away your energy.

Meat eating is a lower frequency because it is killing of animals, and killing is the lowest frequency. Your intent to eat the animal is an intent to kill the animal, which brings down your frequency bodies far down.

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The idea of soulless ones is not the main focus of this philosophy. The main focus of this philosophy is understanding the matrix. You have to validate the whole philosophy in order to validate this concept.

Quartz, maybe you can point out some famous people who are soulless and compare them with some who have souls? That way I can evaluate your perception and know whether to further explore your philosophy.

I haven't looked into that yet, but I can certainly look into it and I can tell you what I determine.

[sourcetruth]

They are frequency planes, which are dimensional planes, not an oscillation.

Oh. What are dimensional frequency planes?

The dimensional frequency planes are different energy states that a source player's five frequency bodies can exist on. They are planes of frequency because the higher frequencies correspond with higher energy states. The source player has a source fractal that is their soul, which exists on the eleventh energy state/frequency plane. The other four bodies can go into the lower energy states, and where they are located determine what energy state a source player will experience. In a higher energy state a source player is connected more with their source self, and more energy is allocated from source to be given to the source player to create their experience.

Right... but I'm none the wiser after all that. Since the forum's strap line is "..where science and spirituality meet", I thought it would be an opportunity for the science to be expressed in this matter.

Setting aside the precise definition of frequency (it does have a precise definition, which often gets overlooked in this sort of discussion), how do you know there are five frequency bodies? Or that "The source player has a source fractal that is their soul, which exists on the eleventh energy state/frequency plane"? I'm just trying to strip away the word salad and get to what it really is you're tying to explain.

Thanks.

Let me explain the five frequency bodies.The source player's five frequency bodies are their soul, conscious mind, subconscious, emotion, and physical.
The first one is a soul. It would be incorrect for me to say that a soul exists in a source players body. The matrix is what exists inside of the souls of source players. The soul is source itself which is responsible for creating this matrix. This means that it is at the eleventh frequency plane, because that is the highest energy state which is most connected to source.
The other four frequency bodies are various attributes of a source player, which includes their mind and body. There are the conscious, subconscious, and emotional states, which can be in various states of being. The physical is the physical body.
I know that there are five frequency bodies because it connects with the general knowledge that I have about the matrix.

[sourcetruth]

Nick Matkin

I think it's a little obtuse to try and coax such answers from these people. They have no definition or intricate knowledge to even begin to try answer you so why do you even go to the length to ask such technical questions what can in no proper way be even answered? They would need months of research and thought put into technical jargon and theories etc to even begin to try satisfy you with a proper answer for any sane normal person normally.
People lach the interest or the drive to go technical unless it's their underlying interest in life. Spiritual stuff usually excludes most of the reality based stuff we can actually "touch".

You shouldn't assume that I don't have enough knowledge of the topic that I am discussing to answer questions about it.

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No one can claim to know anything about soul. No one.

On whos authority do you think you know about soul?

Why can't I know anything about soul?

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She claims 1 out of 5000 Souls are "Source Beings" and rest are like "Agents Smith" (Matrix) .... now it could be true, but how does she know that as a "fact" ... maybe it is 1 in 4,000 or 1 in 10,000 where did she get the number 5000 from?

You see, I do not like anyone who is in to absolutism where there is no room for corrections if needed! Anyone claiming "authority" what he/she says or states does not make it so, in my book. Trust has to be earned, not blindingly given.

She said that it was approximate. She got this information when she received all of her other knowledge about the matrix. She claims that she won the game for all source players, and that after she won the matrix, she was revealed all of this information about the matrix.

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I relate the idea of the source players and soulless players to gaming. I've noticed the term "NPC" popping up in other spiritual web discussions.


"A non-player character (NPC) is any character in a game which is not controlled by a player." - wiki

It gives me a sick feeling every time I see someone heading in that direction. I actually suspect an agenda whenever I see that term used on the internet in regards to waking life. A propaganda tactic of dehumanization is a tactic that involves lumping a group together in such a way that takes away any individuality. And the push for divisiveness is rampant in these times. That's where labeling someone "soulless" leads. Just more divisiveness.

That is not how it is being used in this context. In this context than the concept is being used to explain something, not to dehumanize anyone, although it can be seen as that.

[Nick Matkin]

You shouldn't assume that I don't have enough knowledge of the topic that I am discussing to answer questions about it.



But how do any of us know you're not just making your 'knowledge' up?

[TomKat]

You shouldn't assume that I don't have enough knowledge of the topic that I am discussing to answer questions about it.



But how do any of us know you're not just making your 'knowledge' up?

It's not made up. It's from a movie. Quartz is claiming to have won the matrix, like Neo... not very original.

[Arcturian108]

I haven't read this entire thread, but have watched a couple of her videos just now. There are three red flags for me about her. One she lacks a sense of humor, two she is guilt-tripping the viewer for money, and three she's a lousy pendulum user. If she already won this game, she wouldn't need to ask for anything.

[sourcetruth]

You shouldn't assume that I don't have enough knowledge of the topic that I am discussing to answer questions about it.



But how do any of us know you're not just making your 'knowledge' up?

I am explaining what I have seen from Quartz Crystal's videos.

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I haven't read this entire thread, but have watched a couple of her videos just now. There are three red flags for me about her. One she lacks a sense of humor, two she is guilt-tripping the viewer for money, and three she's a lousy pendulum user. If she already won this game, she wouldn't need to ask for anything.

Those aren't red flags, those aren't that bad.
She is making these videos to help source players win the matrix. She doesn't have to help but she has.

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You shouldn't assume that I don't have enough knowledge of the topic that I am discussing to answer questions about it.



But how do any of us know you're not just making your 'knowledge' up?

It's not made up. It's from a movie. Quartz is claiming to have won the matrix, like Neo... not very original.

There is much more that she claims than just that.

[Bill Ryan]

To sourcetruth: a straight, direct question here, with no implied judgment. But I may not be the only one here wondering if you've fully disclosed your interest.

This is the only thread you've posted on since you joined here just 8 days ago. You don't seem to be interested in any of the other discussions at all, on a very wide range of spiritual and other subjects.

Is 'Quartz Crystal' your own channel?

[sourcetruth]

To sourcetruth: a straight, direct question here, with no implied judgment. But I may not be the only one here wondering if you've fully disclosed your interest.

This is the only thread you've posted on since you joined here just 8 days ago. You don't seem to be interested in any of the other discussions at all, on a very wide range of spiritual and other subjects.

Is 'Quartz Crystal' your own channel?

No, it is not my own channel. I have had a very strong interest in her channel because it is unlike anything else that I have seen before, and it completely changed the way that I think about reality. I want to have a discussion about some of her interesting and unique statements.

I have seen a lot of people that try to teach spiritually, but out of all of the channels that I found, this is the only one that I actually follow, because I believe what she says a lot more than, and it has helped me much more than anything else.

You are right though that I should participate more in spiritual and other types of discussions. I should look at the other spiritual and other discussions on this forum and contribute to them.

[petra]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Hi Sourcetruth, I found a lot of similar material on montalk.net but he never touched on eating meat, at least not that I know of. I'd consider Tom Montalk the site owner to have an excess of practical knowledge and experience too, since he's been researching for a very long time.

The idea of meat lowering frequency makes some sense to me, since I believe there's such a thing as 'cell memory' (it's controversial). Cell memory is the idea that non-brain tissues can have memories, and supported by some people who have received organ transplants.

I find it hard to think of orgasm as a 'lower frequency' act though, since that's how we make babies.... new life! Maybe excessive orgasm would be lower frequency though, like what happens with porno addicts (blecch)

I have seen the site montauk.net. Although he may have been researching these topics for a while, there are very little or maybe even no resources that will say that eating meat keeps you in the lower frequency realms and drains energy from you. There are no sources at all that explain how not eating meat and orgasm fit in with other knowledge about the matrix. Maybe if I contacted the site owner, I could ask him about all of this.


Thanks for the response sourcetruth, yes I think if you were to ask Tom the site owner what he thinks, he would probably respond. I don't necessarily agree with all he says, but I've found that quite a lot of his material "resonates with me" (his words).

I've been thinking a lot about what you said about orgasms, and it's starting to make more sense to me in regard to energy draining. Orgasms don't really appeal to me anymore, I imagine you feel kind of similar. Not so much disgusted by it, as indifferent.

In regard to the meat eating, you're basically saying that if people eat meat, they cannot evolve spiritually past a particular level. That's a very bold statement, and if true, quite a huge conspiracy too - so please forgive me if I don't embrace the idea. If I had to kill animals in order to eat meat, I wouldn't eat meat any more, simple as that. I'm eating meat out of convenience more than anything.

[sourcetruth]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Hi Sourcetruth, I found a lot of similar material on montalk.net but he never touched on eating meat, at least not that I know of. I'd consider Tom Montalk the site owner to have an excess of practical knowledge and experience too, since he's been researching for a very long time.

The idea of meat lowering frequency makes some sense to me, since I believe there's such a thing as 'cell memory' (it's controversial). Cell memory is the idea that non-brain tissues can have memories, and supported by some people who have received organ transplants.

I find it hard to think of orgasm as a 'lower frequency' act though, since that's how we make babies.... new life! Maybe excessive orgasm would be lower frequency though, like what happens with porno addicts (blecch)

I have seen the site montauk.net. Although he may have been researching these topics for a while, there are very little or maybe even no resources that will say that eating meat keeps you in the lower frequency realms and drains energy from you. There are no sources at all that explain how not eating meat and orgasm fit in with other knowledge about the matrix. Maybe if I contacted the site owner, I could ask him about all of this.


Thanks for the response sourcetruth, yes I think if you were to ask Tom the site owner what he thinks, he would probably respond. I don't necessarily agree with all he says, but I've found that quite a lot of his material "resonates with me" (his words).

I've been thinking a lot about what you said about orgasms, and it's starting to make more sense to me in regard to energy draining. Orgasms don't really appeal to me anymore, I imagine you feel kind of similar. Not so much disgusted by it, as indifferent.

In regard to the meat eating, you're basically saying that if people eat meat, they cannot evolve spiritually past a particular level. That's a very bold statement, and if true, quite a huge conspiracy too - so please forgive me if I don't embrace the idea. If I had to kill animals in order to eat meat, I wouldn't eat meat any more, simple as that. I'm eating meat out of convenience more than anything.
Yeah, I feel similarly about orgasms. It is really nothing more than a temporary feeling of pleasure, but it is not where you will get true spiritual satisfaction from.
The meat eating concept can be hard to accept, I had trouble accepting it when I was first introduced to this concept. But if you think of it from a moral standpoint then it makes more sense. Although you aren't the one killing the animal, you are still making that choice to eat it, which is equivalent to the choice of killing the animal from a moral standpoint. Spiritual development is connected with moral development, and when you have an intent to kill/eat an animal, then it brings you down spiritually.

I have seen spiritual resources that talk about the same topics as the Montauk.net website, and they do have some truth to them, even though I also don't agree with everything they say. I will definitely ask the site owner Tom about this topic.

[Soullight]

Questions and Thoughts: :sherlock:

1. She implies that we can escape the matrix by raising our frequency. But how can we raise our frequencies using anything within the matrix when everything in the matrix is designed to keep us within the matrix? For example, if animals, (or plants for that matter), are part of the deception how can eating them or abstaining from eating them raise our frequency and help us escape? The only purpose of everything/everyone who isn’t a source-player is that they keep us in the matrix. So, it seems to me that the ONLY thing that can help us escape, or raise our frequencies, MUST come from Source. Which implies there is some inner, not outer, capability we can tap into that enables us to escape.
:cow:

Being with other source-players seems, at least potentially, one way to help raise our frequencies because source recognizes source, and potentially build upon each other. But how can we recognize other source-players while within the matrix? Again, it would have to be some inner thing, vibe or feeling, maybe similar to the feeling many of us have when we feel out of place within the matrix.
:wizard:


2. How can you prove that you’ve escaped the matrix? And can someone prove they have escaped it and yet still exist within it without becoming susceptible to being trapped again?
:boxing:

It seems plausible that while in the matrix you can feel/sense and possibly convey that there is an escape from the matrix. But since most every-thing you could possibly do while in the matrix IS made up of, or motivated by matrix-matter, then how do you know you escaped, and what can you do to prove you escaped? Even if you could perform apparently unlimited omnipotent phenomenon, ALL of this would only be examples of the matrix-matter being manipulated and not prove you have escaped. So, what possible proof could you have that verifies you have escaped the matrix, except that you were gone from the matrix? And who within the matrix could ever hope to know if you were gone from the matrix when the matrix is potentially infinite?
:gossip:


3. If the matrix exists from the energy produced by source-players then when one escapes the matrix is the matrix lessened in power and potency? If so, then each successive source-player has it just a little bit easier to escape every time a source-player escapes. Yet, how can the game be fair if every source-player doesn’t have an equal standard by which to escape?
:third:

Also, if all source-players are from Source then how is it that some source-players escape the matrix before others? How can any source-player have some benefit, or luck, in escaping first over another? And if the argument is that the matrix is randomly produces greater distractions for some source-players over others (luck), then how can the game be fair?
:grouphug:


4. If everything is matrix then maybe every attempt to use thinking, logic, reason, etc, are just matrix constructs and deceptions. And the patterns that people see are only stabilized constructs (laws) that need to exist for the matrix to operate successfully. But maybe these laws can adapt subtlety over time without much notice, or in other subtle ways like the Mandela Effect, or in dramatic ways in order to trick and keep source-players in the game.
:jester:

Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.
:angel:

[TomKat]

How does a soulless one become a source player? How does Pinnochio become a real boy? :-)

[Soullight]

How does a soulless one become a source player? How does Pinnochio become a real boy? :-)

They can’t become a source-player because they aren’t real but are only part of the matrix to trick source-players. Same goes with Pinocchio. It’s all a trap to invoke emotional responses (energy) to fuel the matrix and also keep source-players playing the game.

:boink:

[sourcetruth]

Questions and Thoughts: :sherlock:

1. She implies that we can escape the matrix by raising our frequency. But how can we raise our frequencies using anything within the matrix when everything in the matrix is designed to keep us within the matrix? For example, if animals, (or plants for that matter), are part of the deception how can eating them or abstaining from eating them raise our frequency and help us escape? The only purpose of everything/everyone who isn’t a source-player is that they keep us in the matrix. So, it seems to me that the ONLY thing that can help us escape, or raise our frequencies, MUST come from Source. Which implies there is some inner, not outer, capability we can tap into that enables us to escape.
:cow:

Being with other source-players seems, at least potentially, one way to help raise our frequencies because source recognizes source, and potentially build upon each other. But how can we recognize other source-players while within the matrix? Again, it would have to be some inner thing, vibe or feeling, maybe similar to the feeling many of us have when we feel out of place within the matrix.
:wizard:


2. How can you prove that you’ve escaped the matrix? And can someone prove they have escaped it and yet still exist within it without becoming susceptible to being trapped again?
:boxing:

It seems plausible that while in the matrix you can feel/sense and possibly convey that there is an escape from the matrix. But since most every-thing you could possibly do while in the matrix IS made up of, or motivated by matrix-matter, then how do you know you escaped, and what can you do to prove you escaped? Even if you could perform apparently unlimited omnipotent phenomenon, ALL of this would only be examples of the matrix-matter being manipulated and not prove you have escaped. So, what possible proof could you have that verifies you have escaped the matrix, except that you were gone from the matrix? And who within the matrix could ever hope to know if you were gone from the matrix when the matrix is potentially infinite?
:gossip:


3. If the matrix exists from the energy produced by source-players then when one escapes the matrix is the matrix lessened in power and potency? If so, then each successive source-player has it just a little bit easier to escape every time a source-player escapes. Yet, how can the game be fair if every source-player doesn’t have an equal standard by which to escape?
:third:

Also, if all source-players are from Source then how is it that some source-players escape the matrix before others? How can any source-player have some benefit, or luck, in escaping first over another? And if the argument is that the matrix is randomly produces greater distractions for some source-players over others (luck), then how can the game be fair?
:grouphug:


4. If everything is matrix then maybe every attempt to use thinking, logic, reason, etc, are just matrix constructs and deceptions. And the patterns that people see are only stabilized constructs (laws) that need to exist for the matrix to operate successfully. But maybe these laws can adapt subtlety over time without much notice, or in other subtle ways like the Mandela Effect, or in dramatic ways in order to trick and keep source-players in the game.
:jester:

Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.
:angel:

1.
It is only abstaining from eating animals that will raise your frequency. Although animals are part of the matrix, you are still having an intent to eat them, which is equivalent to having an intent to kill the animals. This brings down the other four frequency bodies which are conscious mind, emotion, subconscious, and physical body into lower states of consciousness, by eating meat. When this happens than your daily supply energies are drained by that action.
Eating plant foods does not have an effect on frequency.


But how can we raise our frequencies using anything within the matrix when everything in the matrix is designed to keep us within the matrix?
Because frequency planes are a creation that exists only within this matrix. It is what we do and don't do in the matrix that will raise our frequency.
The matrix is designed to allow source players to wake up if they seek out the information and have the intent to wake up. It is all about intention that affects the matrix.


So, it seems to me that the ONLY thing that can help us escape, or raise our frequencies, MUST come from Source. Which implies there is some inner, not outer, capability we can tap into that enables us to escape.
Yes, you are right about this. It is source which exists as source players in this matrix. The inner capabilities that we have are the energies that we have and the power of our intent. It is all about our inner intent that determines how we raise our frequencies, and that is why you must not do certain things, because of the power of intent. The intent to eat animals will bring down your frequency in this way. It is not about the meat, it is about your intent towards eating the meat, which is internal.

2. Escaping the matrix is not necessarily that. You are eventually escaping the matrix once you leave this lifetime by winning the game, which is when you will truly escaping the matrix. But as far as this life goes, the goal is to master the matrix by raising your frequency and creating your reality through that. You will only escape the matrix once you leave this lifetime after having raised your frequency and mastered the matrix, and then you will go back to source.

3. Source players aren't necessarily leaving the matrix in this way. They haven't left this particular matrix ever since this matrix was created and they entered into it, and they have stayed here through many, many, many times through the reincarnation cycle without escaping since then.
It is not like one source player wins the matrix, the matrix has to be won by a source player for all of source (which Quartz Crystal has done) to have all of source escape the matrix.

4. In a way, then yes, logic and reasoning can become traps when they are applied in the wrong ways, because there are many ways to apply them. The patterns we see in the matrix are indeed stabilized constructs. This is the default script that is running in the matrix.


But maybe these laws can adapt subtlety over time without much notice, or in other subtle ways like the Mandela Effect, or in dramatic ways in order to trick and keep source-players in the game.

Perhaps, although there are many laws that are unseen though about the matrix that source players are unaware about.

All source players are supposed to have the capacity and ability to wake up to the matrix if they had the intention to do so, that is the way this matrix is to designed, to only help source players wake up when they have the intention of searching for truth. Source players also have an inner knowing which is a connection to their source self, which is source itself. This should be able to direct them to seeking for truth, but it is up to the source player if they come to the realization and start searching.
The Mandela effect does exist, but there is a reason that it is happening and it does not happen normally. Why it is happening now is because we are approaching a scripted harvest event in the matrix.


Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.


She does talk about something that is similar to apocalypse theories, which she says is the harvest. I understand what you mean when you talk about the acceleration of novelty and craziness.

[sourcetruth]

How does a soulless one become a source player? How does Pinnochio become a real boy? :-)

They can’t become a source-player because they aren’t real but are only part of the matrix to trick source-players. Same goes with Pinocchio. It’s all a trap to invoke emotional responses (energy) to fuel the matrix and also keep source-players playing the game.

:boink:

Right, there is no way that a soulless one can simply become a source player. A person was born a soulless one or a soul. and if they are born soulless they will always stay like that. If someone is a source player, then before the win of this matrix, it would have been possible for them to lose their souls to the matrix and become captured by the demiurge.

And yes, their goal is to gather energy from source players in many different ways. Emotions are one way, but there is also many other ways that they get source players to drain their energy. As a whole, they get source players to act in lower frequency ways because it seems to source players that everyone else is doing those lower frequency activities, which is why we have so many source players in the lower frequency realm.

[greybeard]

The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

[sourcetruth]

The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

Are you interested in spirituality or awakening, or are you familiar with it? I want to understand what you think about these topics.

[greybeard]

The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

Are you interested in spirituality or awakening, or are you familiar with it? I want to understand what you think about these topics.

Ive been writing about and posting videos for ten years on the link below.
Over that time there has been an evolution of understanding.
Twenty years ago I had a spontaneous Kundalini awakening--I knew nothing about K energy prior to investigating what had happened.
Basically the path gets narower and narower--previous concepts fall away till all thats left for me is non-duality--one without a second--Advaita--Only "God" exists--use any name Brahaman-- Consciousness etc
Its taken years to come to that conclusion and Im not saying Im right.
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.

[TomKat]

It is only abstaining from eating animals that will raise your frequency. Although animals are part of the matrix, you are still having an intent to eat them, which is equivalent to having an intent to kill the animals. This brings down the other four frequency bodies which are conscious mind, emotion, subconscious, and physical body into lower states of consciousness, by eating meat. When this happens than your daily supply energies are drained by that action.
Eating plant foods does not have an effect on frequency.


That's the extent of her tools for escaping the matrix, being a vegan? In that case, Quartz ain't 'scapin' nothin...

[MorningFox]

If I were to accept your treatise, I would have to accept one of two scenarios: I have never met anyone without a soul or I have never met anyone with a soul because the people I have met are all the same.

So, am I to accept that my daughter is most likely soulless? Or myself? Or that everyone I have ever met were most likely soulless automatons? That the world is run by these robots?

Also accepting that theory makes it very easy to dismiss anyone who does not seem good, doesn't it? And who becomes the arbiter of who are the few with a soul. And since most people believe they have souls, what?, are they fooled their whole lives? Poor soulless suckers? Worthy of nothing but derision and oblivion?

Yes. I think I do have to step in here and say this is 100% pure nonsense. Categorically.

The claimed statistics imply that it's very unlikely that any Avalon members at all have a soul. (Or, maybe, just one. Perhaps it's you!!) Go figure. :)

Or maybe all of them, because they're the curious ones. It's possible the soulless ones simply wouldn't have the desire to come here. I'm not saying I necessarily believe it, just that the statistics mean nothing, really, and certainly prove nothing :)

[petra]

Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.


She does talk about something that is similar to apocalypse theories, which she says is the harvest. I understand what you mean when you talk about the acceleration of novelty and craziness.

Seems to me that the matrix is a way of stagnating spiritual evolution for the purposes of "not allowing us to evolve". Tom talks about "Realms" (ref link) (http://montalk.net/matrix/112/realm-dynamics) and it almost makes sense, but feels as if I'm "not allowed" to understand (or maybe it's just really complicated!). From his description, realms sound artificial to me. It's like..... cheating.

EDIT: From the ref link - Tom says "Realms also signify the boundary of our perception". That stands out to me because I recall times my perceptions have changed drastically - things I didn't notice before were all of a sudden blatantly noticeable. Key word being 'boundary'

[PurpleLama]

I would posit that the idea of the matrix may be the trap itself, a thought form set to limit one by a cage that is only perceived. Such a thought form would not be the only mental trap in this widely and wildly varied experience we find ourselves within, but the idea of the matrix would definitely be designed for those of us within any modern, western culture.

[Arcturian108]

The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

Wish to demur slightly about batgap.com (which acronym stands for 'Buddha at the Gas Pump') as Rick Archer, the host, showed his unenlightened self when before the 2016 U.S. election he invited me to be a featured guest on his channel, but when he heard that I intended to vote for Trump, and that I also predicted that Trump would win the election, he quickly uninvited me.

[Peter UK]

The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

Wish to demur slightly about batgap.com (which acronym stands for 'Buddha at the Gas Pump') as Rick Archer, the host, showed his unenlightened self when before the 2016 U.S. election he invited me to be a featured guest on his channel, but when he heard that I intended to vote for Trump, and that I also predicted that Trump would win the election, he quickly uninvited me.

A lost opportunity for Rick and us!

[sourcetruth]

It is only abstaining from eating animals that will raise your frequency. Although animals are part of the matrix, you are still having an intent to eat them, which is equivalent to having an intent to kill the animals. This brings down the other four frequency bodies which are conscious mind, emotion, subconscious, and physical body into lower states of consciousness, by eating meat. When this happens than your daily supply energies are drained by that action.
Eating plant foods does not have an effect on frequency.


That's the extent of her tools for escaping the matrix, being a vegan? In that case, Quartz ain't 'scapin' nothin...

No, there is much more than that.

[sourcetruth]

I would posit that the idea of the matrix may be the trap itself, a thought form set to limit one by a cage that is only perceived. Such a thought form would not be the only mental trap in this widely and wildly varied experience we find ourselves within, but the idea of the matrix would definitely be designed for those of us within any modern, western culture.

When you realize the matrix idea, you are able to realize how there are so many things that are traps within this matrix, and it will help you escape those things. It is not simply a trap because it gets you to wake up to the real traps here. You can explain so much more about our reality when you use the matrix idea to explain it.

[greybeard]

The point made by Self realized, Enlightened is, its not a reality.
Its Maya an appearance in consciousness--
Truth does not fluctuate, is not dependent or influenced by seeming outside happenings.
Things appear and disappear.
Even Universes come and go.
Since time began mystics--the enlightened have testified from their own experience.
One consciousness with pervades everything--there is nowhere that it is not.
That's called Omnipresent.
What is presented in the opening post is completely at odds with spirituality that has been presented for thousands of years.
The Matrix is a human mind invention--as is the concept of Source Players.
Sounds very interesting but--a good story well told is not necessarily true.

Chris

[sourcetruth]

Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.


She does talk about something that is similar to apocalypse theories, which she says is the harvest. I understand what you mean when you talk about the acceleration of novelty and craziness.

Seems to me that the matrix is a way of stagnating spiritual evolution for the purposes of "not allowing us to evolve". Tom talks about "Realms" (ref link) (http://montalk.net/matrix/112/realm-dynamics) and it almost makes sense, but feels as if I'm "not allowed" to understand (or maybe it's just really complicated!). From his description, realms sound artificial to me. It's like..... cheating.

EDIT: From the ref link - Tom says "Realms also signify the boundary of our perception". That stands out to me because I recall times my perceptions have changed drastically - things I didn't notice before were all of a sudden blatantly noticeable. Key word being 'boundary'

When you understand the matrix concept, you can realize how there are many things in the matrix that are traps and hold up your spiritual development. It doesn't trap you, it is a part of understanding our reality as a whole.

[greybeard]

To try to be completely clear.
An item fashioned out of wood is still wood even if the item is smashed up, its still wood.
The human body is an appearance in consciousness --the soul within it is unchanged by the body--personality mind ability ideas notions concepts change--the soul remains.
The body dies, the soul leaves the body but remains the soul.
The soul (consciousness} is the one unchanging reality --eternal.
This why it is said that this appearance in consciousness is Maya.

Chris

[sourcetruth]

The point made by Self realized, Enlightened is, its not a reality.
What is presented in the opening post is completely at odds with spirituality that has been presented for thousands of years.
The Matrix is a human mind invention--as is the concept of Source Players.
Sounds very interesting but--a good story well told is not necessarily true.

Chris
Yes, it is indeed at odds with thousands of years of spirituality.
This reality is not what we think it is.
If you are going to dismiss this because it does not fit with established views about spirituality, then you are not being reasonable about this. Established though has been wrong many times throughout history.

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To try to be completely clear.
An item fashioned out of wood is still wood even if the item is smashed up, its still wood.
The human body is an appearance in consciousness --the soul within it is unchanged by the body--personality mind ability ideas notions concepts change--the soul remains.
The body dies, the soul leaves the body but remains the soul.
The soul (consciousness} is the one unchanging reality --eternal.
This why it is said that this appearance in consciousness is Maya.

Chris

The soul is not inside of a body, the experience of a body exists inside of a cell in source, which is the soul.
The soulless bodies are being animated by potential source creation energies that are being harvested from source players. They are programmed to act in certain scripts.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




The first letter being Q Im a little suspicious.
Anyway there is so much half truth--
If a person is genuinely interested in spirituality rhey would be better served to go somewhere like
https://batgap.com/
Loads of real people sharing their awakening
Chris

Are you interested in spirituality or awakening, or are you familiar with it? I want to understand what you think about these topics.

Ive been writing about and posting videos for ten years on the link below.
Over that time there has been an evolution of understanding.
Twenty years ago I had a spontaneous Kundalini awakening--I knew nothing about K energy prior to investigating what had happened.
Basically the path gets narower and narower--previous concepts fall away till all thats left for me is non-duality--one without a second--Advaita--Only "God" exists--use any name Brahaman-- Consciousness etc
Its taken years to come to that conclusion and Im not saying Im right.
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.

There is only source that created this reality which exists as source players. The term god does not convey what source really is.

¤=[Post Update]=¤





Maybe just like modern video gamers where the game starts out fresh, new and exciting, yet over time they see redundancy and get bored. Maybe this is why our world is going through what appears to be an acceleration of novelty and craziness as an attempt to keep source-players engaged. And yet maybe, just maybe, when things become untenable anymore the matrix destroys all life (Apocalypse) to start ALL source-players fresh.


She does talk about something that is similar to apocalypse theories, which she says is the harvest. I understand what you mean when you talk about the acceleration of novelty and craziness.

Seems to me that the matrix is a way of stagnating spiritual evolution for the purposes of "not allowing us to evolve". Tom talks about "Realms" (ref link) (http://montalk.net/matrix/112/realm-dynamics) and it almost makes sense, but feels as if I'm "not allowed" to understand (or maybe it's just really complicated!). From his description, realms sound artificial to me. It's like..... cheating.

EDIT: From the ref link - Tom says "Realms also signify the boundary of our perception". That stands out to me because I recall times my perceptions have changed drastically - things I didn't notice before were all of a sudden blatantly noticeable. Key word being 'boundary'

I have emailed Tom, and he has replied back. I am replying to his reply now.

[sourcetruth]

I have asked Tom of montauk.net about this topic and this is what he has told me:

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:53 AM Tom <tom@montalk.net> wrote:
Hi,

I agree with this:

> - this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
> - source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
> - source entered into the game as source players
> - besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
> - soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
> - there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
> - the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
> - the matrix as a whole is scripted to be a certain way
> - all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
> - scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed
> (you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
> - religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you

> - souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
> - souls use their energy to create the matrix
> - when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
> - source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
> - they can do this once they unlock their script and get to a higher frequency
> - source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self

> - if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore
> - emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
> - certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
> - when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result


But not 100% with this:

> - there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
> - all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul

Possible, but no way for me to know the exact number.

> - souls have source fractals and daily supply energies

Not sure what that means exactly, but we do have a Higher Self / Spirit that replenishes us with lifeforce energy.

> - souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes

On different planes, yes, but the #11 is pretty specific and I can’t confirm it’s that.

> - lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms

Orgasms yes. Eating meat, depends. If you pray over your meal, it’ll help override the frequencies in food. Also a prayed over meat will be higher vibration than not-prayed over cucumber that’s been handled by someone with bad vibes.

> - if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher

Doubt it.

> - frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work

Ok that’s some real bull**** right there. Law of Attraction is actually constantly working, just that people are attracting mundanity and suffering due to that being their regular mindset. Also, black magic rituals use extremely low frequency but strong vibrations to attract things, i.e. sex magick, so high vibrations aren’t necessary — however, higher vibrations DO make it happen faster, easier, and with fewer negative consequences. So yes, good idea to raise vibes regardless.  But the idea that you can’t reality create or raise your vibes if you eat meat, I’ve disproven that many times. So it seems that’s the major flaw or disinfo angle in her work. I mean, she can say whatever she wants about the truth of reality but if she causes truth seekers to commit nutritional suicide and lose the ability to critical think due to iron/B deficiency then I guess that’s mission accomplished for the Matrix, isn’t it… I know plenty of meat eaters who have higher vibes than plenty of vegetarians or vegans, and the latter tend to be space cadets as far as energy and mental clarity goes.

> What is even more interesting is that she said this matrix we are currently in is actually a secondary matrix that was created from the primary matrix that we are hooked up to, but that both are powered by source energies. She says that there are entities that come from the primary matrix and plug into the physical matrix and that it includes entities such as aliens and reptilians.

Yes that’s a good theory and I find it plausible. Though, it could also be the reverse, that aliens/reptilians are products of THIS matrix, and WE are the spirits from a higher TRUE matrix that have come here into this FALSE one and come under the subjugation of these aliens/reptilians.

>
> What do you think about all that she says? Is any of this original to you? What she says seems very plausible to me.

Well the stuff in her material I find true I’ve also seen/read elsewhere, while the stuff that’s unique to her material I find kind of dubious to be honest.

- Tom

[greybeard]

I "God" as I agree that its just a name-words do not convey the Ultimate Truth which Is why Included Brahman.
There is no where that the soul is not as in omnipresent both with in the body and everywhere.
Consciousness is condensed to for Maya and all appearances.
If you are really interested in finding another way of looking at this please visit here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

There is a wealth of spiritual information on Avalon

Or view this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKfEOoHUS0

[PurpleLama]

I would posit that the idea of the matrix may be the trap itself, a thought form set to limit one by a cage that is only perceived. Such a thought form would not be the only mental trap in this widely and wildly varied experience we find ourselves within, but the idea of the matrix would definitely be designed for those of us within any modern, western culture.

When you realize the matrix idea, you are able to realize how there are so many things that are traps within this matrix, and it will help you escape those things. It is not simply a trap because it gets you to wake up to the real traps here. You can explain so much more about our reality when you use the matrix idea to explain it.

The matrix idea is not new, only recently popular. You can actually understand a great deal less about reality when you try to process every aspect of every phenomena by forcing it through a single filter, however expansive that filter may seem to be. Such a thought form will harshly limit you, you will think you have the end of answers while being unable to understand the simplest wisdom offered that does not neatly fit within it.

I simply caution against adhering too strongly even to the most seemingly beneficial ideas. What serves you so well with the concept of the matrix today may sorely limit you tomorrow. Its usefulness must be able to be set aside to make way for ideas and concepts of even greater utility, otherwise spiritual stagnation or religious zealotry may be the result.

Such advice pertains to anyone who believes to have THE answer, as opposed to what is the right answer for them at this moment. Understanding necessarily is a very fluid thing, and rigid thinking is its only known enemy, which prevents future discovery.

Please note, that I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong, or that I am right. Also, please do not assume my degree of familiarity with the concepts you propose.

Also, as an aside, I am somewhat a proponent of the Edgar Cayce material, and he said that the highest vibrations that humans experience are within the loving union of man and woman. This dovetails also with the material of Seth, and with the Law of One. FWIW

[greybeard]

Sourcetruth with respect Tom has said a lot of what you gave him is dubious..
Bill, who is no body's fool is quiet direct in his thoughts on the Quartz Crystal post.

Im just trying to point out what is agreed by many enlightened souls.
Its not my idea or concept its first hand knowledge.
The Swami has studied for years various spiritual traditions

"Swami Sarvapriyananda has been appointed as Minister and Spiritual Leader of the Vedanta Society of New York and assumed his duties here on January 6, 2017.

Before this, Swami Sarvapriyananda served as assistant minister of the Vedanta Society of Southern California for 13 months, beginning on December 3, 2015.

Swami Sarvapriyananda joined the Ramakrishna Math and Mission in 1994 and received Sannyas in 2004. Before being posted to the VSSC’s Hollywood Temple, Swami Sarvapriyananda served as an acharya (teacher) of the monastic probationers’ training center at Belur Math. Swami Sarvapriyananda has served the Ramakrishna Math and Mission in various capacities including being the Vice Principal of the Deoghar Vidyapith Higher Secondary School, Principal of the Shikshana Mandira Teacher Education College at Belur Math, and the first Registrar of the Vivekananda University at Belur Math.

Im just point out the credibility of Swami and therefore the validity of his teaching.

You are entitled to your opinion of course

Chris

[sourcetruth]

I would posit that the idea of the matrix may be the trap itself, a thought form set to limit one by a cage that is only perceived. Such a thought form would not be the only mental trap in this widely and wildly varied experience we find ourselves within, but the idea of the matrix would definitely be designed for those of us within any modern, western culture.

When you realize the matrix idea, you are able to realize how there are so many things that are traps within this matrix, and it will help you escape those things. It is not simply a trap because it gets you to wake up to the real traps here. You can explain so much more about our reality when you use the matrix idea to explain it.

The matrix idea is not new, only recently popular. You can actually understand a great deal less about reality when you try to process every aspect of every phenomena by forcing it through a single filter, however expansive that filter may seem to be. Such a thought form will harshly limit you, you will think you have the end of answers while being unable to understand the simplest wisdom offered that does not neatly fit within it.

I simply caution against adhering too strongly even to the most seemingly beneficial ideas. What serves you so well with the concept of the matrix today may sorely limit you tomorrow. Its usefulness must be able to be set aside to make way for ideas and concepts of even greater utility, otherwise spiritual stagnation or religious zealotry may be the result.

Such advice pertains to anyone who believes to have THE answer, as opposed to what is the right answer for them at this moment. Understanding necessarily is a very fluid thing, and rigid thinking is its only known enemy, which prevents future discovery.

Please note, that I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong, or that I am right. Also, please do not assume my degree of familiarity with the concepts you propose.

Also, as an aside, I am somewhat a proponent of the Edgar Cayce material, and he said that the highest vibrations that humans experience are within the loving union of man and woman. This dovetails also with the material of Seth, and with the Law of One. FWIW

I think that what you said applies to what is commonly believed about the matrix or what the common idea is. The way that the matrix concept is being used here is to make way for other ideas. It don't seem that you are familiar with what I was describing in my original post though, but I see what you are trying to say. All ideas can become traps when we only stick with one perspective of something, and this is too often done today.


Also, as an aside, I am somewhat a proponent of the Edgar Cayce material, and he said that the highest vibrations that humans experience are within the loving union of man and woman. This dovetails also with the material of Seth, and with the Law of One. FWIW

If loving union includes sex or orgasm than it is not a highest vibration. Orgasms are lower frequency and energy draining.

[sourcetruth]

Sourcetruth with respect Tom has said a lot of what you gave him is dubious..
Bill, who is no body's fool is quiet direct in his thoughts on the Quartz Crystal post.

Im just trying to point out what is agreed by many enlightened souls.
Its not my idea or concept its first hand knowledge.
The Swami has studied for years various spiritual traditions

"Swami Sarvapriyananda has been appointed as Minister and Spiritual Leader of the Vedanta Society of New York and assumed his duties here on January 6, 2017.

Before this, Swami Sarvapriyananda served as assistant minister of the Vedanta Society of Southern California for 13 months, beginning on December 3, 2015.

Swami Sarvapriyananda joined the Ramakrishna Math and Mission in 1994 and received Sannyas in 2004. Before being posted to the VSSC’s Hollywood Temple, Swami Sarvapriyananda served as an acharya (teacher) of the monastic probationers’ training center at Belur Math. Swami Sarvapriyananda has served the Ramakrishna Math and Mission in various capacities including being the Vice Principal of the Deoghar Vidyapith Higher Secondary School, Principal of the Shikshana Mandira Teacher Education College at Belur Math, and the first Registrar of the Vivekananda University at Belur Math.

Im just point out the credibility of Swami and therefore the validity of his teaching.

You are entitled to your opinion of course

Chris

He did agree with what he said was content that he has heard of before, but he said that the original content was what he found dubious. But it seems that he agrees with most of the things except for what I said about eating meat. He doesn't understand that eating meat is lower frequency because it is destruction of life. But he agrees with what I said about orgasm draining energy.
What do you think about meat eating and orgasms being lower frequency and draining energy?

I aam not familiar with Swami Sarvapriyananda or his teachings. But I know that in general that spiritual teachers do teach some correct and some incorrect teachings.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[greybeard]

Then you havent viewed the video of his I posted or the link I gave to an enlightened members post on enlightenment.
I have looked at your posts in depth why not have a look at the link if you haven't time to look at the video thought the first 5 minutes of the video would be enough.
You dont have to take my word though I have studied spirituality in depth for forty years.

Chris

[sourcetruth]

Then you havent viewed the video of his I posted or the link I gave to an enlightened members post on enlightenment.
I have looked at your posts in depth why not have a look at the link if you haven't time to look at the video thought the first 5 minutes of the video would be enough.
You dont have to take my word though I have studied spirituality in depth for forty years.

Chris

Okay, I will view it and tell you what I think of it.

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Why the strict focus on meat and orgasm? Seems like obsession right now. You posting here and at ATS about it...

Nothing more important in the stuff to take up at this point than try to beat something like that into people like a religious law that must be followed at this stage? Your like a catholic or some other religious follower trying to "convince" or convert people to your cause.

Single-minded and focused on only one thing trying to beat people over it. There are other stuff to life to raise awareness and soul level than some things like that.

I have talked about a lot more in my posts than just meat and orgasm, but those are the two things that are holding source players back.
I am only trying to discuss this topic.

[sourcetruth]

Then you havent viewed the video of his I posted or the link I gave to an enlightened members post on enlightenment.
I have looked at your posts in depth why not have a look at the link if you haven't time to look at the video thought the first 5 minutes of the video would be enough.
You dont have to take my word though I have studied spirituality in depth for forty years.

Chris

I have watched it and I agree with what he says. What he says about maya is right and how he describes it is good. So I agree with him.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[sourcetruth]

I have talked about a lot more in my posts than just meat and orgasm, but those are the two things that are holding source players back.
I am only trying to discuss this topic.

God luck with the promotion then.

Do you not agree with me on this topic?

[PurpleLama]

I think that what you said applies to what is commonly believed about the matrix or what the common idea is. The way that the matrix concept is being used here is to make way for other ideas. It don't seem that you are familiar with what I was describing in my original post though, but I see what you are trying to say. All ideas can become traps when we only stick with one perspective of something, and this is too often done today.


Also, as an aside, I am somewhat a proponent of the Edgar Cayce material, and he said that the highest vibrations that humans experience are within the loving union of man and woman. This dovetails also with the material of Seth, and with the Law of One. FWIW

If loving union includes sex or orgasm than it is not a highest vibration. Orgasms are lower frequency and energy draining.

I went back and listened to the video in the OP. I will give my honest assessment, that there was nothing original to what she was saying, and even worse, there were many trendy catch phrases with little real substance to them. Having watched the first video, I will respectfully decline to watch any more or investigate her material any further. The new age or alternative spirituality communities abound with people seeking to share such systems of thought, and perhaps you can elucidate what makes this one different.

One particular point is disturbing enough to warrant a rebuttal. The idea that there is one real person to 5000 non-real or soulless humans is a grave error. Such a concept is the foundation of the worst kinds of self aggrandizement, for surely anyone confronted with the notion would naturally consider themselves a source player and necessarily decide as a result that nearly every other human they meet to be something less than human. This idea is very dangerous, and examined on its own, one may see that it leads down the path of less and less empathy for other humans and other living things. It is the antithesis of empathy and compassion.

We can simply disagree about orgasms, unless you have something like evidence to back up the claim. According to what I tend to believe, the opposite is true in one context, although there is an argument to be made that what you say may be true given other circumstances than the one I specifically outlined.

[PurpleLama]

Ok, I went back and read the thread. All of my potential concerns were properly addressed previously by other members. I will leave the thread, enjoy your stay at Avalon, sourcetruth.

[TomKat]

One particular point is disturbing enough to warrant a rebuttal. The idea that there is one real person to 5000 non-real or soulless humans is a grave error. Such a concept is the foundation of the worst kinds of self aggrandizement, for surely anyone confronted with the notion would naturally consider themselves a source player and necessarily decide as a result that nearly every other human they meet to be something less than human. This idea is vuaery dangerous, and examined on its own, one may see that it leads down the path of less and less empathy for other humans and other living things. It is the antithesis of empathy and compassion.


sourcetruth/Quartz is in need of an exorcism. These theocratic astral entities are a dime a dozen and every now and then one gets hold of someone and overshadows them, becomes their "higher self," whatever, and yet another stupid religion is born or, in this case, stillborn. I'm not wasting any more time on this thread.

[sourcetruth]

One particular point is disturbing enough to warrant a rebuttal. The idea that there is one real person to 5000 non-real or soulless humans is a grave error. Such a concept is the foundation of the worst kinds of self aggrandizement, for surely anyone confronted with the notion would naturally consider themselves a source player and necessarily decide as a result that nearly every other human they meet to be something less than human. This idea is vuaery dangerous, and examined on its own, one may see that it leads down the path of less and less empathy for other humans and other living things. It is the antithesis of empathy and compassion.


sourcetruth/Quartz is in need of an exorcism. These theocratic astral entities are a dime a dozen and every now and then one gets hold of someone and overshadows them, becomes their "higher self," whatever, and yet another stupid religion is born or, in this case, stillborn. I'm not wasting any more time on this thread.

You don't know what you are talking about when you say something like this about this topic.

Don't refer to me as "sourcetruth/quartz", because I am not Quartz Crystal. I am not the person in the videos that I linked to.

[greybeard]

sourcetruth having gone up quite a few dead ends in the early days of my spiritual search I lerned to cross check and found there is a commonality of the teaching of genuine enlightened teachers also an unmistakable energy of Truth.
The statement "One without a second" sums up non-duality.
Its good to investigate fully.

Here is part of the first post by Shadowman on the link I previously posted
and again
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

This is an account of the direct experience of awakening.

What can be said, or written, of itself cannot reveal the truth.

Words and language are themselves an illusory tool, an aspect of the relative dream, and can only indicate or hint towards the totality, or reality, or that which is.

Upon the moment of awakening not only does the illusion of the relative self or ego vanish like a shadow exposed to light, but all “other” egos, or relative selves, disappear. All separation disappears, and the absolute Self is realized. All is then enlightened and whole, for there never really were separate entities that could become individually enlightened. There then is no relative doer, nor even an absolute doer, for all doing implies separation. Or something to do, or somewhere to go. And not just other humans, but the entire creation is enlightened and whole.

Now nothing can be judged, or observed, or transcended, as there is no separate observer, nor separate objects observed, nor even separate observing.

Here even the concept of pure awareness, the witness, unidentified with that which is observed, has dissolved into the totality. Herein lies the meaning of samsara is nirvana. The slightest separation into observer, observed and observing and samsara appears. When observer, observed and observing is an undifferentiated whole, the Self is self evident, and far more evident, than the illusory ego self.

All that is, then is, as it really is, here descriptions do not apply.

[Billy]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Abstaining from bodily desires can be a very powerful tool, as is fasting, but only if you back up it up with heart felt intentions while at the same time keeping it secret.
If you announce openly that you are a celibate or abstaining from eating meat, fasting ect. You are again fooling yourself that you are a higher vibrational being. Declaring how great you think you are takes away the power of your efforts. You are allowing your ego to boast over you. Which is a lower frequency activity.

Abstaining with inner intentions is only powerful when carried out in secret. A secret between only you and source creator.

[greybeard]

When a new member arrives most will read and contribute to different threads.
Rarely a new member will have a single thread--knowledge that they are bursting to share and do so without regard to the suggestions made by long standing members, who have in depth knowledge and experience on various subjects not just one.
I am in awe of the many posters that I have learned from and continue to do so.

Its usual in a community like Avalon to interact and learn from the many and various threads.
So many members here have knowledge that I benefit from.
New members with just one subject to inform on tend to get fed up fairly quickly.

Cant see many in agreement with this Utube topic.

However pleases stick around sourcetruth and contribute to other threads--many available on interesting and diverse subjects.
Best wishes
Chris

[thepainterdoug]

Billy I totally agree. Its who you are and how you show up in the world that carries weight in my opinion. And why such a simple 2 step procedure for raising vibration ; not eating meat or having orgasms? how about killing or manipulating people out of money or cheating or dishonesty ? they are ok as long as your not a meat eater?

Why and Who made the criteria and these game rules? And have those who unlocked themselves shown up in the world as saviors or models of living for others? Can anyone say that some of the most amazing people who have attained great freedom or success did it by not eating meat or having orgasms?

i haven't listened to this channel yet, so forgive my questions . But is there anyone on this channel who has succeeded by practicing these two steps?

[greybeard]

Billy I totally agree. Its who you are and how you show up in the world that carries weight in my opinion. And why such a simple 2 step procedure for raising vibration ; not eating meat or having orgasms? how about killing or manipulating people out of money or cheating or dishonesty ? they are ok as long as your not a meat eater?

Why and Who made the criteria and these game rules? And have those who unlocked themselves shown up in the world as saviors or models of living for others? Can anyone say that some of the most amazing people who have attained great freedom or success did it by not eating meat or having orgasms?

i haven't listened to this channel yet, so forgive my questions . But is there anyone on this channel who has succeeded by practicing these two steps?

Many spiritual ethnic groups eat meat.
The Aboriginies--the Red Indians--they hunted, killed, ate and respect their prey and nature.
They had gratitude.
Nasargadatta maintained that the only spiritual "suggestion" of any value is " First find who you are"
People would viit him and he would ask for thier viewon spirituality and their practices--no matter what they said he would say--"Thats not it"--He did his best to break you out of all concepts.
Personally I dont eat meat and as for the other Im on my own now so It does not apply--though if done with love then that can only raise vibration--Tantric worth investigating!
Chris

[thepainterdoug]

What of our friends up north and at the poles? What of the Inuit , not sure how their corn crop is doing in all that ice?

Im 0- blood type. I have tried to free myself from meat at times and my stomach always gave me trouble, Lentils blew me up like a balloon etc and so does wheat.

I eat chicken or fish and my stomach is calm and receptive as if it was the right choice. Everything we eat as far as I can tell is a living thing that responds to stimuli to greater or lessor degrees. Even the water we drink carries a vibration. And we are mainly water.

I know Vegans with cancer. I know Vegans who are rude and unhappy, especially tied to their yoga mats. wow try getting a smile from one of those. lol

After reading some on Tesla, i started drinking whisky, damn he was right. Gotta have my whisky , just a little a day to cap off the end of my work day .

All things in moderation , don't lie, see others as yourself and don't judge. Then breathe and don't resist as my NDE friend Kelly said.

perhaps I'm soulless ?? but at peace.

[sourcetruth]

I am listening to someone who does indeed have practical knowledge and experience. The person in the youtube channel provides practical knowledge that you can apply to your life, as opposed to many of the spiritual teachings that are not practical.
Who would you consider to have "practical knowledge and experience"?

This is not channeled material. I am following this material because I have been able to verify it with my source self.

I am indeed at a higher frequency plane because I have stopped doing lower frequency activities such as eating meat and orgasm.

Abstaining from bodily desires can be a very powerful tool, as is fasting, but only if you back up it up with heart felt intentions while at the same time keeping it secret.
If you announce openly that you are a celibate or abstaining from eating meat, fasting ect. You are again fooling yourself that you are a higher vibrational being. Declaring how great you think you are takes away the power of your efforts. You are allowing your ego to boast over you. Which is a lower frequency activity.

Abstaining with inner intentions is only powerful when carried out in secret. A secret between only you and source creator.

It won't affect you if you don't keep it a secret.

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Billy I totally agree. Its who you are and how you show up in the world that carries weight in my opinion. And why such a simple 2 step procedure for raising vibration ; not eating meat or having orgasms? how about killing or manipulating people out of money or cheating or dishonesty ? they are ok as long as your not a meat eater?

Why and Who made the criteria and these game rules? And have those who unlocked themselves shown up in the world as saviors or models of living for others? Can anyone say that some of the most amazing people who have attained great freedom or success did it by not eating meat or having orgasms?

i haven't listened to this channel yet, so forgive my questions . But is there anyone on this channel who has succeeded by practicing these two steps?

Many spiritual ethnic groups eat meat.
The Aboriginies--the Red Indians--they hunted, killed, ate and respect their prey and nature.
They had gratitude.
Nasargadatta maintained that the only spiritual "suggestion" of any value is " First find who you are"
People would viit him and he would ask for thier viewon spirituality and their practices--no matter what they said he would say--"Thats not it"--He did his best to break you out of all concepts.
Personally I dont eat meat and as for the other Im on my own now so It does not apply--though if done with love then that can only raise vibration--Tantric worth investigating!
Chris

If there were source players in those groups then thet were lowering their frequencies by eating meat during those times. It does not affect soulless ones to eat meat and only source players will benefit from removing meat.

That is good that you are not eating meat and not having orgasms. You are at a higher frequency, about 5 or 6 because you don't eat meat. If you don't have orgasms you could be even higher than that.


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What of our friends up north and at the poles? What of the Inuit , not sure how their corn crop is doing in all that ice?

Im 0- blood type. I have tried to free myself from meat at times and my stomach always gave me trouble, Lentils blew me up like a balloon etc and so does wheat.

I eat chicken or fish and my stomach is calm and receptive as if it was the right choice. Everything we eat as far as I can tell is a living thing that responds to stimuli to greater or lessor degrees. Even the water we drink carries a vibration. And we are mainly water.

I know Vegans with cancer. I know Vegans who are rude and unhappy, especially tied to their yoga mats. wow try getting a smile from one of those. lol

After reading some on Tesla, i started drinking whisky, damn he was right. Gotta have my whisky , just a little a day to cap off the end of my work day .

All things in moderation , don't lie, see others as yourself and don't judge. Then breathe and don't resist as my NDE friend Kelly said.

perhaps I'm soulless ?? but at peace.

The reason of giving upmeat is raising your frequency.
You don't need to eat meat at all, you can live just fine without meat. It is the weight that is holding you down in your frequency climb.

Whiskey is alcohol which is a drug, and all drugs also lower your frequency and drain energy from you in the same way as an orgasm does.

[sourcetruth]

Billy I totally agree. Its who you are and how you show up in the world that carries weight in my opinion. And why such a simple 2 step procedure for raising vibration ; not eating meat or having orgasms? how about killing or manipulating people out of money or cheating or dishonesty ? they are ok as long as your not a meat eater?

Why and Who made the criteria and these game rules? And have those who unlocked themselves shown up in the world as saviors or models of living for others? Can anyone say that some of the most amazing people who have attained great freedom or success did it by not eating meat or having orgasms?

i haven't listened to this channel yet, so forgive my questions . But is there anyone on this channel who has succeeded by practicing these two steps?

I am someonr who has succeeded by practicing these two steps and the other things that I have learned about raising my frequency. I am on the seventh frequency plane currently. I have given up meat and become a vegan for a year, and also given up orgasms for a year currently. So I am benefiting from this channel.

These game rules are simply the result of your actions in this matrix. It is not just two steps, but these two steps are what is holding source players as a whole down. There is much more that I know about all of this and much more detail to go into.

[thepainterdoug]

source truth / and the result? what is the boots on the ground embodied result of your high vibration? what are you free of? what is your elevation truly mean? how is this enacted in the world? please tell me?

[sourcetruth]

source truth / and the result? what is the boots on the ground embodied result of your high vibration? what are you free of? what is your elevation truly mean? how is this enacted in the world? please tell me?

The result is that you will have more energy and be at a higher frequency. This will unlock certain things for you in your reality. Whenyou re in the higher frequencies you have access to more energy and your intent is more powerful. What can you use this for? You can use your nergy to have the ability to manifest using your intent which will cost you energy. Manifesting your own reality is the result of all of this once you succeed.

[Sue (Ayt)]

source truth / and the result? what is the boots on the ground embodied result of your high vibration? what are you free of? what is your elevation truly mean? how is this enacted in the world? please tell me?

The result is that you will have more energy and be at a higher frequency. This will unlock certain things for you in your reality. Whenyou re in the higher frequencies you have access to more energy and your intent is more powerful. What can you use this for? You can use your nergy to have the ability to manifest using your intent which will cost you energy. Manifesting your own reality is the result of all of this once you succeed.

How have your manifestations improved, in your opinion? Can you share any examples?

[thepainterdoug]

source truth/ this idea would have me believe that there is a equal sacrifice reward, system in place. like low medium and high test gas for a car.

but it doest work that way in my observation . some of the craziest most toxic people have achieved and enacted great offerings in the world far more impactful than others including those living a vegan non orgasm life. . and they are also the most loving people as well.
did the beatles give up meat and orgasms? meat maybe? lol plenty of drugs for sure. there is simply no formula as I see it. i have never seen one and never had one demonstrated to me. that being said, it sounds like your doing a good thing regardless. experiencer Lou Baldin in his several compelling books said animals were put here for humans consumption, living to keep the food fresh. I don't know

[greybeard]

Dogma--concepts -even beliefs complicate the issue.
All is a distraction.
Doing anything takes one further from the Truth.
That which you seek is you--Self-your true nature.
People (ego) come up with new concepts ideas--the goal--to save yourself--from what?
Eternal damnation--more or less.

The enlightened are uniform in what they say be it Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, Nasargadatta, Ramana Maharshi and many more.
First find out who/what you are--The eternal Self.
Christ said " Find ye first the Kingdom of Heaven--Heaven is within and Be still and know that I am God.
He was saying the I am is God--take your choice of name for the Ultimate.

So the only requirement to find Truth is to remove all that is not True.
This is refereed to as Neity Neity --not this not this.
When all concepts etc's are discarded the Truth is revealed--also called Self Reailzation.
The Self which is always there is revealed.
It can not be other wise--eternal Truth--Ultimate- --is without beginning or end

Diet, celibacy, irrelevant--excess is though--desire is.
Middle path.
Celibacy enforced has lead to the challenges within priesthood--its un natural.
Going against nature has consequences.

So the advice of the enlightened is meditate--be still-- self inquiry--who am I and discarding concepts etc.
be as a child--the new born--before conditioning sets in.
Its simple, you are That which you seek-- The book "I am That" by Nasargadatta may be helpful.
Many thousands of years of Mystics all saying the same thing.
Yes there are pretenders out there but for all that the Truth can not be changed.
Even Scientists are coming to the conclusion that everything is joined a seamless whole, no separation, a unified one reality.
Chris

[sourcetruth]

source truth/ this idea would have me believe that there is a equal sacrifice reward, system in place. like low medium and high test gas for a car.

but it doest work that way in my observation . some of the craziest most toxic people have achieved and enacted great offerings in the world far more impactful than others including those living a vegan non orgasm life. . and they are also the most loving people as well.
did the beatles give up meat and orgasms? meat maybe? lol plenty of drugs for sure. there is simply no formula as I see it. i have never seen one and never had one demonstrated to me. that being said, it sounds like your doing a good thing regardless. experiencer Lou Baldin in his several compelling books said animals were put here for humans consumption, living to keep the food fresh. I don't know

Well it only applies this way to sous/source because they are the ones creating this reality experience. The soulless ones would not be affected, but if the soulless ones want to advanced hey havd to give these things up.

[petra]

Many spiritual ethnic groups eat meat.
The Aboriginies--the Red Indians--they hunted, killed, ate and respect their prey and nature.
They had gratitude.


I believe gratitude is important too Chris, thanks for posting. I don't know how I managed to forget gratitude! "Dear Lord, thank you for the food I already ate" counts too - I think so :)

[ExomatrixTV]

100% Related:
Richard Nolen Quote: Susceptibility to certain beliefs and ideologies can make people prey to manipulative and narcissistic personalities:
WqpWk_MG_0E

WHY FANTASY-BASED CLAIMS ALWAYS CRASH & BURN. Richard Dolan The Big Picture:
jv8jNG6tUcg

[greybeard]

Unfortunately when people get the bit between their teeth no amount of reasoned debate will change their mind set--thats why its called mind SET
Chris

[petra]

Unfortunately when people get the bit between their teeth no amount of reasoned debate will change their mind set--thats why its called mind SET
Chris

I laughed :)
It's not always a bad thing though, and of course there's always the perspective factor.
I use arguing over colors as an example of pointless argument.
"It's Blue! No it's not, it's Green"
Both people are telling the truth, and the answer 'depends on how you look at it'

[sourcetruth]

100% Related:
Richard Nolen Quote: Susceptibility to certain beliefs and ideologies can make people prey to manipulative and narcissistic personalities:
WqpWk_MG_0E

WHY FANTASY-BASED CLAIMS ALWAYS CRASH & BURN. Richard Dolan The Big Picture:
jv8jNG6tUcg

Can you explain how his applies here?

[sourcetruth]

Unfortunately when people get the bit between their teeth no amount of reasoned debate will change their mind set--thats why its called mind SET
Chris

I see this often, when two people are focused to much on debating instead of discussing.

[greybeard]

Unfortunately when people get the bit between their teeth no amount of reasoned debate will change their mind set--thats why its called mind SET
Chris

I see this often, when two people are focused to much on debating instead of discussing.

I think that discussion is where people have similar beliefs.
Debate is perhaps where there is opposing or dissimilar view points.

You are entitled to your opinon and support of The Quartz Crystal Channel material.
However when a new member arrives and only seems interested in posting on one subject it would appear that the only reason for joining is to single minded spread the word on what they believe to be true.
This is a good place with loads of interesting subjects--have a look around sourcetruth.
Best wishes
Chris

[Sue (Ayt)]

Manifesting your own reality is the result of all of this once you succeed.

How have your manifestations improved, in your opinion? Can you share any examples?




I see this often, when two people are focused to much on debating instead of discussing.

But yet you skipped my question about your personal results with QC's system.
Myself, I could barely watch much of that op video that you posted, but am still curious as to how exactly it has served you?

[sourcetruth]

Manifesting your own reality is the result of all of this once you succeed.

How have your manifestations improved, in your opinion? Can you share any examples?




I see this often, when two people are focused to much on debating instead of discussing.

But yet you skipped my question about your personal results with QC's system.
Myself, I could barely watch much of that op video that you posted, but am still curious as to how exactly it has served you?

I have not tried to manifest yet, but with how I raised my frequency I have been able to gain certain abilities. One ability is hat I can see pulsating and flashing in soulless one's eyes to tell if they are soulless. This only happened after I gave up meat and orgasm nd raised my frequency.

[ExomatrixTV]

Souls with deep traumas may appear "soulless" when you look in their eyes! ... Does not mean they will be in that state forever! ... Some (spirits/souls/emotionally & mentally) healing takes time, which real "Source beings" should know! ... To judge one way or the other, is mostly because it fits a story you tell yourself assuming you have the "only" right story (insight). We all tell stories to ourselves then project that on others.

And I quote Willem de Ridder form Amsterdam TV (Mid 1990s):

The other, that is you, because it is YOUR story in your head "about the other".
Why a lot can not deal with traumatized people is because it can trigger own (bad) past experiences in this life and maybe 1000s of previous lives.

So in short, (y)our incompetence to deal with & transform traumatic Souls (appearing having "no Soul") should not be the "standard" of a assumed "higher morality".

cheers,
NDE'er John Kuhles 25-09-2019

[pueblo]

OP, from where and how does the Quartz Crystal lady get her knowledge? Thanks

[greybeard]

Mother Teresa when asked how she could work with lepers--her reply was.
"I see them as Christ in disguise"
The universe is not a cheese full of holes--there is nowhere that the Creator is not---omnipresent means exactly that.
Within all---animals of course included--they have a soul too.
The content of the opening post points to a judgmental Creator--where is the Love?
Chris
Ps the statements made in the first post have all the hallmarks of a cult---if not now perhaps in the future.

[ExomatrixTV]

⚠️ Advanced Spiritual Psychology?

When people using the "effects of their believe" as "evidence" will most likely get trapped in that framework (construction of the mind) indeed! ... Some mind-constructs can be (temporary) positive, even so, still can hold you back to really evolve and go beyond the conditioning.

"Practical Truths" may work in the context when & where it is used until it becomes obsolete and you go to the "next best thing" ... thus some "perceptional truths" serving an agenda does not make it an "absolute truth" but just a (temporary) "functional truth".

What works for you does not have to work for me and visa versa!

If people really would grasp all of this ... they may grow out of their own created "thought cage" (safe space bubble).

John Kuhles 2019

[sourcetruth]

Souls with deep traumas may appear "soulless" when you look in their eyes! ... Does not mean they will be in that state forever! ... Some (spirits/souls/emotionally & mentally) healing takes time, which real "Source beings" should know! ... To judge one way or the other, is mostly because it fits a story you tell yourself assuming you have the "only" right story (insight). We all tell stories to ourselves then project that on others.

And I quote Willem de Ridder form Amsterdam TV (Mid 1990s):

The other, that is you, because it is YOUR story in your head "about the other".
Why a lot can not deal with traumatized people is because it can trigger own (bad) past experiences in this life and maybe 1000s of previous lives.

So in short, (y)our incompetence to deal with & transform traumatic Souls (appearing having "no Soul") should not be the "standard" of a assumed "higher morality".

cheers,
NDE'er John Kuhles 25-09-2019


That is not what I mean at all when I say I see flashing and pulsating in soullesss one's eyes. I am literally sewing it flash and pulsae like there is n energy present there hat is animating them. It is clear to me what this means.

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OP, from where and how does the Quartz Crystal lady get her knowledge? Thanks

How she got this information is that she won the matrix game. She did this by raising her frequency to the eleventh plane, the highest, and being the first one to do so. She then included all of her source fractals in her win. Because she won the game then all of this information about the matrix was revealed to her.

[sourcetruth]

Mother Teresa when asked how she could work with lepers--her reply was.
"I see them as Christ in disguise"
The universe is not a cheese full of holes--there is nowhere that the Creator is not---omnipresent means exactly that.
Within all---animals of course included--they have a soul too.
The content of the opening post points to a judgmental Creator--where is the Love?
Chris
Ps the statements made in the first post have all the hallmarks of a cult---if not now perhaps in the future.

A creator cannot simply be omnipresent, it must have a fractal of itself be stored inside of a soul, which is technology for housing source fractals. In this way the creator exists through the souls which are source players.

The opening post does not point to a judgemental creator. It implies completely neutral source that has become entered entrapped in the duality of this reality.

There is nothing that makes this cult-like, because it is an indiviual journey and not a group one.

[sourcetruth]

⚠️ Advanced Spiritual Psychology?

When people using the "effects of their believe" as "evidence" will most likely get trapped in that framework (construction of the mind) indeed! ... Some mind-constructs can be (temporary) positive, even so, still can hold you back to really evolve and go beyond the conditioning.

"Practical Truths" may work in the context when & where it is used until it becomes obsolete and you go to the "next best thing" ... thus some "perceptional truths" serving an agenda does not make it an "absolute truth" but just a (temporary) "functional truth".

What works for you does not have to work for me and visa versa!

If people really would grasp all of this ... they may grow out of their own created "thought cage" (safe space bubble).

John Kuhles 2019

Yes, if people grasped all this they would grow out of their thought cage which consists of everything they thought they learned from existing in this reality. It is their safe space of mind and many of them are not willing to go beyond it.

I am not simply trying to base this on the effects of it, there are other reasons to support this, such s it being more logical and having more explanatory power, and also because it is more logical then any alternatives.

[pueblo]

Souls with deep traumas may appear "soulless" when you look in their eyes! ... Does not mean they will be in that state forever! ... Some (spirits/souls/emotionally & mentally) healing takes time, which real "Source beings" should know! ... To judge one way or the other, is mostly because it fits a story you tell yourself assuming you have the "only" right story (insight). We all tell stories to ourselves then project that on others.

And I quote Willem de Ridder form Amsterdam TV (Mid 1990s):

The other, that is you, because it is YOUR story in your head "about the other".
Why a lot can not deal with traumatized people is because it can trigger own (bad) past experiences in this life and maybe 1000s of previous lives.

So in short, (y)our incompetence to deal with & transform traumatic Souls (appearing having "no Soul") should not be the "standard" of a assumed "higher morality".

cheers,
NDE'er John Kuhles 25-09-2019


That is not what I mean at all when I say I see flashing and pulsating in soullesss one's eyes. I am literally sewing it flash and pulsae like there is n energy present there hat is animating them. It is clear to me what this means.

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OP, from where and how does the Quartz Crystal lady get her knowledge? Thanks

How she got this information is that she won the matrix game. She did this by raising her frequency to the eleventh plane, the highest, and being the first one to do so. She then included all of her source fractals in her win. Because she won the game then all of this information about the matrix was revealed to her.

Thanks for the reply. Just so I understand, she claims to be the first one to "win the matrix game", so all previous Ascended Masters were deluded?

You also say the information was revealed to her, revealed by whom/what?

[greybeard]

⚠️ Advanced Spiritual Psychology?

When people using the "effects of their believe" as "evidence" will most likely get trapped in that framework (construction of the mind) indeed! ... Some mind-constructs can be (temporary) positive, even so, still can hold you back to really evolve and go beyond the conditioning.

"Practical Truths" may work in the context when & where it is used until it becomes obsolete and you go to the "next best thing" ... thus some "perceptional truths" serving an agenda does not make it an "absolute truth" but just a (temporary) "functional truth".

What works for you does not have to work for me and visa versa!

If people really would grasp all of this ... they may grow out of their own created "thought cage" (safe space bubble).

John Kuhles 2019

Yes, if people grasped all this they would grow out of their thought cage which consists of everything they thought they learned from existing in this reality. It is their safe space of mind and many of them are not willing to go beyond it.

I am not simply trying to base this on the effects of it, there are other reasons to support this, such s it being more logical and having more explanatory power, and also because it is more logical then any alternatives.

Grow out of their thought cage, everything they thought they learned from existing in this realty etc.
Well thats the truth
However
All concepts must go hence Neity Neity --not this not this
Yes that is the basic teaching of all Self Realized.
That includes their teaching which are only pointers.
Therefore the Quartz Crystal teachings must also be let go of surely?

On committing fully to learn about spirituality--things are automatically removed over time.
Kundalini awakening brings a lot of gifts and the advice is to let them go--if they are required they will happen spontaneously
Over time all desires go---including any desire to manifest--
Ego is slowly reduced--transcended.
Enlightenment is an ego less, desire less, "state"

Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Usually I approach carefully, respectfully, theories that go against the grain of my understanding, with the assumption that there is at least something here I didn't know before, some new information I previously lacked. Because every experience can teach, every new door is an opportunity, even if it leads nowhere – dead ends can also be a learning tool. But here I must be blunt. This is all rubbish.

This lady mixes a clever blend of philosophy, mysticism, physics, new age concepts and even science fiction, into one neat (but very flawed) package, and delivers it in common-sense language and in an authoritative and highly convincing manner, meant for the many who have an underlying interest in "new agey" things but lack any knowledge to keep themselves grounded. Undoubtedly many will fall for it.

Certainly I won't, because seeded throughout I detect mental and emotional (and spiritual) manipulation. Her model is not unlike religion, which for centuries filled people's minds with negative programming, robbing them of their power and individual sovereignty. This is what she is doing. But her material is even worse. It steals the sovereignty of most of the population of the world by calling them soulless! I think that's just awful.

This reeks of disinformation. Of poison being dripped into the river of the spiritual community. But it's nothing new, I've seen this sort of movement/material before, lots of times. And it's just the same old stuff, couched in different terms, but the same basic ideology: you are a slave, a target, a victim, but you could break free, become great, become Divine...if you follow these rules.

Let us see what they are:

- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
It is an intentional creation, by a Divine Creator, but the only trap (at this level of the 'matrix') is self-constructed by the laws of karma, aka Cause and Effect. If you self-err then you must self-correct. In other words, if you fail the test you must retake the class.

- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
You can view it as a game, but really it's just one rung of the ladder, and part of the learning curve in spiritual evolution.

- source entered into the game as source players
Partially true, but we are all individualized consciousnesses, spiritual sparks of the one fire (Source).

- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
No. Where there is life, there is spirit. Where there is spirit, there is life. There are no soulless beings.

- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
Untrue. Again, where there is life there is spirit. You cannot have one without the other.

- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls.

- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
To believe in the unhumanity of the vast majority of those people around you lessens their value and cheapens their worth. This is not just unspiritual it's anti-spiritual, and as dangerous a philosophy as there can be.

- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
There are entities of many different kinds, including reptilian, some are interdimensional and can interact with us – but again, unless the intention is to attract only positive energies, you will default to attracting like for like.

- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
'Scripted' is a human word/concept. There is no script, only Laws. These are the Natural Laws that govern the functioning and evolution of the Universe and all its multitudinous parts, from black holes to bacteria and down to the quantum level – literally everything.

- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
There is a 'Plan' for every person coming into an incarnation. A set of goals to attain, lessons to learn. But we can deviate from our plan because we have Free Will.

- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed (you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
It shows that a Divine Intelligence, greater than anything we can conceive of, is responsible for the Creation of the Universe.

- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you
Correct. And the thesis of this channel, of this matrix material, is programming of exactly the same type.

- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
There is no game to be won. There is only spiritual purity and self-realization to attain.

- souls use their energy to create the matrix
We don't 'use' our energy. This reality IS energy, and we use our will and creative intent to mould the energy of reality into what we want it to be.

- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
That's the movie "The Matrix" in a nutshell, which is probably what inspired this 'matrix' material. It even includes Agent Smith. Is she trying to start a movement (and make lots of money) based on a work of sci-fi? I suppose if L. Ron Hubbard could do it...

- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
Mumbo jumbo.

- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
We exist on all planes simultaneously. Your experience is where your present focus is directed.

- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
You don't lose energy per se, but you channel your energy, the 'where' is based on the intention.

- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
Incorrect. These are baser energies, but they are not necessarily lower energies. It's all about Intention - the heart-centred intention of any act is all-important. If you don't know that eating animals is wrong, then it isn't wrong. Simple as that. As for sex, in sexual alchemy some of the highest and purest energies that can be experienced in human form are achieved in spiritual or tantric sex (that is according to some ancient mystical teachings precisely how light-children, i.e., immaculate or 'Christed-energies', are/were conceived).

- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
Partially true. There is always an interplay of energy between people when they interact. Energy can indeed be drawn off, and subconsciously fed off (an energy vampire). Think of the dynamics at play between the abuser and the abused. It works the same with positive energy, in giving your energy to one who needs it. Again it's all about Intention, and what's at the heart of your intention in each and every thought and deed.

- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
True.

- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore
True

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
I don't know of levels. There are 'states' and frequencies, but there are no hard boundaries between them, they shift gradually one into the other like the changing hues of a rainbow. Eating or not eating meat is not particularly relevant. One might think of aboriginal shaman in the outback of Australia, or going back centuries the Native American Indians, who had incredible wisdom and acquired very high levels of awareness, but throughout their development had very little to eat EXCEPT meat.

- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
The Law of Attraction is a clear reality but it works at all and every level, there's no cut off, no 'frequency 5' I know of. Levels and labels have no meaning in the greater spiritual reality. Even the '3rd' dimension has no meaning, because that's just a number, it's just a way to describe it in human terms.

- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
Partially true. You can use your creative intent to shape your reality, but this does not 'consume' your energy.

- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self
A pendulum could work as well as any meditative tool, but it's not especially necessary. There's no 'proper' way to meditate, it's often unique to the individual. But with a great deal of practise you can via meditation access the Akasha, and gain the awareness of pretty much ALL and any knowledge you desire.

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.

She never mentions love, and sourcetruth you never mentioned love in any one of your posts. That right there is indication enough that this is all disinfo, maybe even a spiritual psyop (it wouldn't be the first example). In other, stronger, terms: this is bullsh!t.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, sourcetruth. We are all of us on a journey in pursuit of that enigmatic thing called truth. But this I assure you is not it. As Chris said, there are lots and lots of threads on Avalon that point much more strongly to the real truth, so I do hope you stick around and explore a little further.

As for this channel, it could consist of just one video. And it need only last one minute. All she needs to do is talk about Love, and she'd have it. Because that's all you need to know 'to break out of the so-called matrix'. Love as the key to all things.

[greybeard]

Well Star Mariner you certainly nailed it.
And you took the time bit by bit to point out the falsity, half truths and manipulation involved--subtle at times but there.
All credit to you.
Chris

[sourcetruth]

Usually I approach carefully, respectfully, theories that go against the grain of my understanding, with the assumption that there is at least something here I didn't know before, some new information I previously lacked. Because every experience can teach, every new door is an opportunity, even if it leads nowhere – dead ends can also be a learning tool. But here I must be blunt. This is all rubbish.

This lady mixes a clever blend of philosophy, mysticism, physics, new age concepts and even science fiction, into one neat (but very flawed) package, and delivers it in common-sense language and in an authoritative and highly convincing manner, meant for the many who have an underlying interest in "new agey" things but lack any knowledge to keep themselves grounded. Undoubtedly many will fall for it.

Certainly I won't, because seeded throughout I detect mental and emotional (and spiritual) manipulation. Her model is not unlike religion, which for centuries filled people's minds with negative programming, robbing them of their power and individual sovereignty. This is what she is doing. But her material is even worse. It steals the sovereignty of most of the population of the world by calling them soulless! I think that's just awful.

This reeks of disinformation. Of poison being dripped into the river of the spiritual community. But it's nothing new, I've seen this sort of movement/material before, lots of times. And it's just the same old stuff, couched in different terms, but the same basic ideology: you are a slave, a target, a victim, but you could break free, become great, become Divine...if you follow these rules.

Let us see what they are:

- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
It is an intentional creation, by a Divine Creator, but the only trap (at this level of the 'matrix') is self-constructed by the laws of karma, aka Cause and Effect. If you self-err then you must self-correct. In other words, if you fail the test you must retake the class.

- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
You can view it as a game, but really it's just one rung of the ladder, and part of the learning curve in spiritual evolution.

- source entered into the game as source players
Partially true, but we are all individualized consciousnesses, spiritual sparks of the one fire (Source).

- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
No. Where there is life, there is spirit. Where there is spirit, there is life. There are no soulless beings.

- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
Untrue. Again, where there is life there is spirit. You cannot have one without the other.

- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls.

- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
To believe in the unhumanity of the vast majority of those people around you lessens their value and cheapens their worth. This is not just unspiritual it's anti-spiritual, and as dangerous a philosophy as there can be.

- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
There are entities of many different kinds, including reptilian, some are interdimensional and can interact with us – but again, unless the intention is to attract only positive energies, you will default to attracting like for like.

- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
'Scripted' is a human word/concept. There is no script, only Laws. These are the Natural Laws that govern the functioning and evolution of the Universe and all its multitudinous parts, from black holes to bacteria and down to the quantum level – literally everything.

- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
There is a 'Plan' for every person coming into an incarnation. A set of goals to attain, lessons to learn. But we can deviate from our plan because we have Free Will.

- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed (you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
It shows that a Divine Intelligence, greater than anything we can conceive of, is responsible for the Creation of the Universe.

- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you
Correct. And the thesis of this channel, of this matrix material, is programming of exactly the same type.

- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
There is no game to be won. There is only spiritual purity and self-realization to attain.

- souls use their energy to create the matrix
We don't 'use' our energy. This reality IS energy, and we use our will and creative intent to mould the energy of reality into what we want it to be.

- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
That's the movie "The Matrix" in a nutshell, which is probably what inspired this 'matrix' material. It even includes Agent Smith. Is she trying to start a movement (and make lots of money) based on a work of sci-fi? I suppose if L. Ron Hubbard could do it...

- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
Mumbo jumbo.

- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
We exist on all planes simultaneously. Your experience is where your present focus is directed.

- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
You don't lose energy per se, but you channel your energy, the 'where' is based on the intention.

- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
Incorrect. These are baser energies, but they are not necessarily lower energies. It's all about Intention - the heart-centred intention of any act is all-important. If you don't know that eating animals is wrong, then it isn't wrong. Simple as that. As for sex, in sexual alchemy some of the highest and purest energies that can be experienced in human form are achieved in spiritual or tantric sex (that is according to some ancient mystical teachings precisely how light-children, i.e., immaculate or 'Christed-energies', are/were conceived).

- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
Partially true. There is always an interplay of energy between people when they interact. Energy can indeed be drawn off, and subconsciously fed off (an energy vampire). Think of the dynamics at play between the abuser and the abused. It works the same with positive energy, in giving your energy to one who needs it. Again it's all about Intention, and what's at the heart of your intention in each and every thought and deed.

- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
True.

- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore
True

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
I don't know of levels. There are 'states' and frequencies, but there are no hard boundaries between them, they shift gradually one into the other like the changing hues of a rainbow. Eating or not eating meat is not particularly relevant. One might think of aboriginal shaman in the outback of Australia, or going back centuries the Native American Indians, who had incredible wisdom and acquired very high levels of awareness, but throughout their development had very little to eat EXCEPT meat.

- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
The Law of Attraction is a clear reality but it works at all and every level, there's no cut off, no 'frequency 5' I know of. Levels and labels have no meaning in the greater spiritual reality. Even the '3rd' dimension has no meaning, because that's just a number, it's just a way to describe it in human terms.

- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
Partially true. You can use your creative intent to shape your reality, but this does not 'consume' your energy.

- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self
A pendulum could work as well as any meditative tool, but it's not especially necessary. There's no 'proper' way to meditate, it's often unique to the individual. But with a great deal of practise you can via meditation access the Akasha, and gain the awareness of pretty much ALL and any knowledge you desire.

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.

She never mentions love, and sourcetruth you never mentioned love in any one of your posts. That right there is indication enough that this is all disinfo, maybe even a spiritual psyop (it wouldn't be the first example). In other, stronger, terms: this is bullsh!t.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, sourcetruth. We are all of us on a journey in pursuit of that enigmatic thing called truth. But this I assure you is not it. As Chris said, there are lots and lots of threads on Avalon that point much more strongly to the real truth, so I do hope you stick around and explore a little further.

As for this channel, it could consist of just one video. And it need only last one minute. All she needs to do is talk about Love, and she'd have it. Because that's all you need to know 'to break out of the so-called matrix'. Love as the key to all things.

You have not actually explained why I am wrong, you have only responded to my statements with your opinions and beliefs, not any explanations of how I am wrong.

[pueblo]

Usually I approach carefully, respectfully, theories that go against the grain of my understanding, with the assumption that there is at least something here I didn't know before, some new information I previously lacked. Because every experience can teach, every new door is an opportunity, even if it leads nowhere – dead ends can also be a learning tool. But here I must be blunt. This is all rubbish.

This lady mixes a clever blend of philosophy, mysticism, physics, new age concepts and even science fiction, into one neat (but very flawed) package, and delivers it in common-sense language and in an authoritative and highly convincing manner, meant for the many who have an underlying interest in "new agey" things but lack any knowledge to keep themselves grounded. Undoubtedly many will fall for it.

Certainly I won't, because seeded throughout I detect mental and emotional (and spiritual) manipulation. Her model is not unlike religion, which for centuries filled people's minds with negative programming, robbing them of their power and individual sovereignty. This is what she is doing. But her material is even worse. It steals the sovereignty of most of the population of the world by calling them soulless! I think that's just awful.

This reeks of disinformation. Of poison being dripped into the river of the spiritual community. But it's nothing new, I've seen this sort of movement/material before, lots of times. And it's just the same old stuff, couched in different terms, but the same basic ideology: you are a slave, a target, a victim, but you could break free, become great, become Divine...if you follow these rules.

Let us see what they are:

- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
It is an intentional creation, by a Divine Creator, but the only trap (at this level of the 'matrix') is self-constructed by the laws of karma, aka Cause and Effect. If you self-err then you must self-correct. In other words, if you fail the test you must retake the class.

- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
You can view it as a game, but really it's just one rung of the ladder, and part of the learning curve in spiritual evolution.

- source entered into the game as source players
Partially true, but we are all individualized consciousnesses, spiritual sparks of the one fire (Source).

- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
No. Where there is life, there is spirit. Where there is spirit, there is life. There are no soulless beings.

- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
Untrue. Again, where there is life there is spirit. You cannot have one without the other.

- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls.

- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
To believe in the unhumanity of the vast majority of those people around you lessens their value and cheapens their worth. This is not just unspiritual it's anti-spiritual, and as dangerous a philosophy as there can be.

- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
There are entities of many different kinds, including reptilian, some are interdimensional and can interact with us – but again, unless the intention is to attract only positive energies, you will default to attracting like for like.

- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
'Scripted' is a human word/concept. There is no script, only Laws. These are the Natural Laws that govern the functioning and evolution of the Universe and all its multitudinous parts, from black holes to bacteria and down to the quantum level – literally everything.

- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
There is a 'Plan' for every person coming into an incarnation. A set of goals to attain, lessons to learn. But we can deviate from our plan because we have Free Will.

- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed (you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
It shows that a Divine Intelligence, greater than anything we can conceive of, is responsible for the Creation of the Universe.

- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you
Correct. And the thesis of this channel, of this matrix material, is programming of exactly the same type.

- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
There is no game to be won. There is only spiritual purity and self-realization to attain.

- souls use their energy to create the matrix
We don't 'use' our energy. This reality IS energy, and we use our will and creative intent to mould the energy of reality into what we want it to be.

- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
That's the movie "The Matrix" in a nutshell, which is probably what inspired this 'matrix' material. It even includes Agent Smith. Is she trying to start a movement (and make lots of money) based on a work of sci-fi? I suppose if L. Ron Hubbard could do it...

- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
Mumbo jumbo.

- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
We exist on all planes simultaneously. Your experience is where your present focus is directed.

- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
You don't lose energy per se, but you channel your energy, the 'where' is based on the intention.

- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
Incorrect. These are baser energies, but they are not necessarily lower energies. It's all about Intention - the heart-centred intention of any act is all-important. If you don't know that eating animals is wrong, then it isn't wrong. Simple as that. As for sex, in sexual alchemy some of the highest and purest energies that can be experienced in human form are achieved in spiritual or tantric sex (that is according to some ancient mystical teachings precisely how light-children, i.e., immaculate or 'Christed-energies', are/were conceived).

- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
Partially true. There is always an interplay of energy between people when they interact. Energy can indeed be drawn off, and subconsciously fed off (an energy vampire). Think of the dynamics at play between the abuser and the abused. It works the same with positive energy, in giving your energy to one who needs it. Again it's all about Intention, and what's at the heart of your intention in each and every thought and deed.

- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
True.

- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore
True

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
I don't know of levels. There are 'states' and frequencies, but there are no hard boundaries between them, they shift gradually one into the other like the changing hues of a rainbow. Eating or not eating meat is not particularly relevant. One might think of aboriginal shaman in the outback of Australia, or going back centuries the Native American Indians, who had incredible wisdom and acquired very high levels of awareness, but throughout their development had very little to eat EXCEPT meat.

- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
The Law of Attraction is a clear reality but it works at all and every level, there's no cut off, no 'frequency 5' I know of. Levels and labels have no meaning in the greater spiritual reality. Even the '3rd' dimension has no meaning, because that's just a number, it's just a way to describe it in human terms.

- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
Partially true. You can use your creative intent to shape your reality, but this does not 'consume' your energy.

- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self
A pendulum could work as well as any meditative tool, but it's not especially necessary. There's no 'proper' way to meditate, it's often unique to the individual. But with a great deal of practise you can via meditation access the Akasha, and gain the awareness of pretty much ALL and any knowledge you desire.

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.

She never mentions love, and sourcetruth you never mentioned love in any one of your posts. That right there is indication enough that this is all disinfo, maybe even a spiritual psyop (it wouldn't be the first example). In other, stronger, terms: this is bullsh!t.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, sourcetruth. We are all of us on a journey in pursuit of that enigmatic thing called truth. But this I assure you is not it. As Chris said, there are lots and lots of threads on Avalon that point much more strongly to the real truth, so I do hope you stick around and explore a little further.

As for this channel, it could consist of just one video. And it need only last one minute. All she needs to do is talk about Love, and she'd have it. Because that's all you need to know 'to break out of the so-called matrix'. Love as the key to all things.

You have not actually explained why I am wrong, you have only responded to my statements with your opinions and beliefs, not any explanations of how I am wrong.

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

[greybeard]

Your are not wrong sourcetruth but you have been mislead.
The full examination by Star Mariner points to the untruths coming from that channel which you have taken on board.
Just how long have you been studying spirituality?
Those relativly new to the subject are easily lead astray--I was---par for the course.
To my mind as I have said before its a mistake to take on "teachers" word for it--you have to investigate deeply and cross check with quite a few teachers--read the books--listen to the teachers--go and see them at talks--interact with them face to face.
Ask questions--get answers face to face --challenge them.
Best wishes.
Chris

[ExomatrixTV]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that ). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to the world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

[sourcetruth]

Your are not wrong sourcetruth but you have been mislead.
The full examination by Star Mariner points to the untruths coming from that channel which you have taken on board.
Just how long have you been studying spirituality?
Those relativly new to the subject are easily lead astray--I was---par for the course.
To my mind as I have said before its a mistake to take on "teachers" word for it--you have to investigate deeply and cross check with quite a few teachers--read the books--listen to the teachers--go and see them at talks--interact with them face to face.
Ask questions--get answers face to face --challenge them.
Best wishes.
Chris

What I see in his reply ishis alternate understanding. What he is doing is trying to respond to my statements with claims about is wn understanding, but this does not explain how I am wrong.

I am aware of spiriuality and many of its concepts, but I disagree with much of it.
The true misleading is coming from these concepts that are wrong.
You are not justified in calling this misleading, you have only been able to explain your perspective on spirituality but have not explained how anything that I said in my original post is wrong.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

[sourcetruth]

Usually I approach carefully, respectfully, theories that go against the grain of my understanding, with the assumption that there is at least something here I didn't know before, some new information I previously lacked. Because every experience can teach, every new door is an opportunity, even if it leads nowhere – dead ends can also be a learning tool. But here I must be blunt. This is all rubbish.

This lady mixes a clever blend of philosophy, mysticism, physics, new age concepts and even science fiction, into one neat (but very flawed) package, and delivers it in common-sense language and in an authoritative and highly convincing manner, meant for the many who have an underlying interest in "new agey" things but lack any knowledge to keep themselves grounded. Undoubtedly many will fall for it.

Certainly I won't, because seeded throughout I detect mental and emotional (and spiritual) manipulation. Her model is not unlike religion, which for centuries filled people's minds with negative programming, robbing them of their power and individual sovereignty. This is what she is doing. But her material is even worse. It steals the sovereignty of most of the population of the world by calling them soulless! I think that's just awful.

This reeks of disinformation. Of poison being dripped into the river of the spiritual community. But it's nothing new, I've seen this sort of movement/material before, lots of times. And it's just the same old stuff, couched in different terms, but the same basic ideology: you are a slave, a target, a victim, but you could break free, become great, become Divine...if you follow these rules.

Let us see what they are:

- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
It is an intentional creation, by a Divine Creator, but the only trap (at this level of the 'matrix') is self-constructed by the laws of karma, aka Cause and Effect. If you self-err then you must self-correct. In other words, if you fail the test you must retake the class.

- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
You can view it as a game, but really it's just one rung of the ladder, and part of the learning curve in spiritual evolution.

- source entered into the game as source players
Partially true, but we are all individualized consciousnesses, spiritual sparks of the one fire (Source).

- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
No. Where there is life, there is spirit. Where there is spirit, there is life. There are no soulless beings.

- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
Untrue. Again, where there is life there is spirit. You cannot have one without the other.

- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls.

- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
To believe in the unhumanity of the vast majority of those people around you lessens their value and cheapens their worth. This is not just unspiritual it's anti-spiritual, and as dangerous a philosophy as there can be.

- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
There are entities of many different kinds, including reptilian, some are interdimensional and can interact with us – but again, unless the intention is to attract only positive energies, you will default to attracting like for like.

- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
'Scripted' is a human word/concept. There is no script, only Laws. These are the Natural Laws that govern the functioning and evolution of the Universe and all its multitudinous parts, from black holes to bacteria and down to the quantum level – literally everything.

- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
There is a 'Plan' for every person coming into an incarnation. A set of goals to attain, lessons to learn. But we can deviate from our plan because we have Free Will.

- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed (you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
It shows that a Divine Intelligence, greater than anything we can conceive of, is responsible for the Creation of the Universe.

- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you
Correct. And the thesis of this channel, of this matrix material, is programming of exactly the same type.

- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
There is no game to be won. There is only spiritual purity and self-realization to attain.

- souls use their energy to create the matrix
We don't 'use' our energy. This reality IS energy, and we use our will and creative intent to mould the energy of reality into what we want it to be.

- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
That's the movie "The Matrix" in a nutshell, which is probably what inspired this 'matrix' material. It even includes Agent Smith. Is she trying to start a movement (and make lots of money) based on a work of sci-fi? I suppose if L. Ron Hubbard could do it...

- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
Mumbo jumbo.

- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
We exist on all planes simultaneously. Your experience is where your present focus is directed.

- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
You don't lose energy per se, but you channel your energy, the 'where' is based on the intention.

- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
Incorrect. These are baser energies, but they are not necessarily lower energies. It's all about Intention - the heart-centred intention of any act is all-important. If you don't know that eating animals is wrong, then it isn't wrong. Simple as that. As for sex, in sexual alchemy some of the highest and purest energies that can be experienced in human form are achieved in spiritual or tantric sex (that is according to some ancient mystical teachings precisely how light-children, i.e., immaculate or 'Christed-energies', are/were conceived).

- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
Partially true. There is always an interplay of energy between people when they interact. Energy can indeed be drawn off, and subconsciously fed off (an energy vampire). Think of the dynamics at play between the abuser and the abused. It works the same with positive energy, in giving your energy to one who needs it. Again it's all about Intention, and what's at the heart of your intention in each and every thought and deed.

- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
True.

- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore
True

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
I don't know of levels. There are 'states' and frequencies, but there are no hard boundaries between them, they shift gradually one into the other like the changing hues of a rainbow. Eating or not eating meat is not particularly relevant. One might think of aboriginal shaman in the outback of Australia, or going back centuries the Native American Indians, who had incredible wisdom and acquired very high levels of awareness, but throughout their development had very little to eat EXCEPT meat.

- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
The Law of Attraction is a clear reality but it works at all and every level, there's no cut off, no 'frequency 5' I know of. Levels and labels have no meaning in the greater spiritual reality. Even the '3rd' dimension has no meaning, because that's just a number, it's just a way to describe it in human terms.

- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
Partially true. You can use your creative intent to shape your reality, but this does not 'consume' your energy.

- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self
A pendulum could work as well as any meditative tool, but it's not especially necessary. There's no 'proper' way to meditate, it's often unique to the individual. But with a great deal of practise you can via meditation access the Akasha, and gain the awareness of pretty much ALL and any knowledge you desire.

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.

She never mentions love, and sourcetruth you never mentioned love in any one of your posts. That right there is indication enough that this is all disinfo, maybe even a spiritual psyop (it wouldn't be the first example). In other, stronger, terms: this is bullsh!t.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, sourcetruth. We are all of us on a journey in pursuit of that enigmatic thing called truth. But this I assure you is not it. As Chris said, there are lots and lots of threads on Avalon that point much more strongly to the real truth, so I do hope you stick around and explore a little further.

As for this channel, it could consist of just one video. And it need only last one minute. All she needs to do is talk about Love, and she'd have it. Because that's all you need to know 'to break out of the so-called matrix'. Love as the key to all things.

You have not actually explained why I am wrong, you have only responded to my statements with your opinions and beliefs, not any explanations of how I am wrong.

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Revealed by source to her. I don't claim to have all of the details, but this is what she says in her videos.

The explanations only make it clear what his opinion is, they do not make it clear why I am wrong. There is a clear difference between the two. His statements are simply "No this is wrong, the right answer is _____" withough explaining why I am wrong.

[sourcetruth]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

[Universoul]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.

So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.

To talk spiritual, it may be about "service to self" vs "service to others". Living and let live, recognizing the many perspectives/paths vs unwavering beliefs and wanting to push those beliefs.

There's much chaotic energy on the planet. People are arguing over everything, and each clash of insentient will, not recognizing the other's will, creates more chaos "sts" energy.

So it's important to work on ourselves and how we approach others, especially if we think we have valuable information to share. We are all noble servants for the truth if we choose to be, it's our jobs to present it and let it speak. It will reach those who need to see it which could just be a few people. Be grateful if it helps anyone.

If what you found is so good why not just be content with it? If you must share, use a humble and open minded approach.

[sourcetruth]

Usually I approach carefully, respectfully, theories that go against the grain of my understanding, with the assumption that there is at least something here I didn't know before, some new information I previously lacked. Because every experience can teach, every new door is an opportunity, even if it leads nowhere – dead ends can also be a learning tool. But here I must be blunt. This is all rubbish.


You have not shown how any of this is wrong, you are simply responding by repeating what you think is true instead of explaining why I am wrong.


This lady mixes a clever blend of philosophy, mysticism, physics, new age concepts and even science fiction, into one neat (but very flawed) package, and delivers it in common-sense language and in an authoritative and highly convincing manner, meant for the many who have an underlying interest in "new agey" things but lack any knowledge to keep themselves grounded. Undoubtedly many will fall for it.

Some of what she says has been known by others for a while, although she does share original information.
It is not simply a blend of ideas, because a blend of ideas is unorganized, incoherent, illogical, and flawed. Her statements are the opposite of that: they are organized, logical, coherent, and relate with each other in a logical manner.

You are also implying that what she says is unoriginal, and while some of her statements can be found in other places, that only adds support to her. She has many unoriginal claims, and her philosophy as a whole is original.

She does not deliver this in "common sense language" at all. The average person will not understand her videos, so this is simply not true. There is no way for her to make this "highly convincing" because it contradicts everything that a person thinks they know, so this is also wromg
This was never meant for the general population which are soulless ones, this was only meant for the source players who have inner knowing which confirms this information to them and lets them understand it.


Certainly I won't, because seeded throughout I detect mental and emotional (and spiritual) manipulation. Her model is not unlike religion, which for centuries filled people's minds with negative programming, robbing them of their power and individual sovereignty. This is what she is doing. But her material is even worse. It steals the sovereignty of most of the population of the world by calling them soulless! I think that's just awful.

What she is doing is being very direct about the information and claims she provides. There is no way that this could be manipulative when she is simply making statements. What she says goes against a person's view of reality, and it would conflict with a persons emotions, so there is no way that it could be considered emotionally or mentally manipulative. You have no support for these claims. You are making this claim based on your own bias against her, because you don't understand her statements.

It is clear that your resistance to the concept of soulless ones is based on emotion rather than reason, since you are perceiving it as having "awful" ramifications on your view on the world. This makes you uncomftorable because you don't want these implications to be true, so you form a bias against the concept that not everyone has souls.

[onevoice]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

Actually, she also said that your pendulum is supposed to get answers from your source self connection. This can only be done from the 5th frequency plane and above, which can happen only after you removed meat from your diet for at least 30 days.

I do not eat meat, so therefore my pendulum is valid and yours is not.
My pendulum claims that she is right which is in opposition to your pendulum.

The answer you are getting is from your subconscious. Your subconscious believes she is wrong, and also you are still in the red zone of eating meat, so your results are wrong.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.



I am not asking them to prove that I am wrong, I am asking them to explain why they believe I am wrong. This is not the same as shifting the burden of proof. i am simply demanding that they provide an explanation of their own point of view and their own reasoning behind it. Just because the burden of proof is on me for my claims does not mean that they are immune from having reasoned explanations for their claims. When they make a xounter claim against me they should also be able to explain their counterclaim. This is not shifting the burden of proof, this is demanding that they also explain their reasoning. They are simply rebutting my claim with a counter claim, but not explaining the counterclaim.



So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

It is not about being physically provable. This is about theories being logical and reasonable, and comparing the logic of competing theories to setermine which alternative is most reasonable.


If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.


That is how I started this thread, but as it progressed then the other posters became more oppositional, so I responded with more opposition. If they wanted to simply discuss this then I would be able to discuss it, but since thsy want to oppose this then I will be oppositional in response.

To be clear I do indeed agree with the statements that I discussed in my OP, although these are the claims of the youtube channel and not my own. However, I am.willing to discuss this ans even discuss oppositional statements.

In this discussion there are those that will simply dismiss this. This is preventing exploration of the topic which prevents us from gaining a full understanding, and that is counterproductive to the discussion.

[sourcetruth]

This reeks of disinformation. Of poison being dripped into the river of the spiritual community. But it's nothing new, I've seen this sort of movement/material before, lots of times. And it's just the same old stuff, couched in different terms, but the same basic ideology: you are a slave, a target, a victim, but you could break free, become great, become Divine...if you follow these rules.


There are rules for everything in our reality. It only makes sense for us to be bound by certain spiritual principles that can also free us if we apppy them in the right way.


I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.

She never mentions love, and sourcetruth you never mentioned love in any one of your posts. That right there is indication enough that this is all disinfo, maybe even a spiritual psyop (it wouldn't be the first example). In other, stronger, terms: this is bullsh!t.


She actually does discuss love in her videos, what she says about love is that you should not need anything outside of yourself to feel complete. Love is finding happiness in someone else, which is external to you.

The only way to raise your frequency and connect with source is to be in neutrality, which is not love. Emotions as a whole are draining energy from you and making your consciousness imbalanced, which prevents you from raising your frequency and connecting with source. Love is includes with this as an emotion. Love is an unneccessary emotion that does not benefit a source player in any way.

The only reason that you believe this is because it appeals to your emotions instead of being based in reason.

[onevoice]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

Actually, she also said that your pendulum is supposed to get answers from your source self connection. This can only be done from the 5th frequency plane and above, which can happen only after you removed meat from your diet for at least 30 days.

I do not eat meat, so therefore my pendulum is valid and yours is not.
My pendulum claims that she is right which is in opposition to your pendulum.

The answer you are getting is from your subconscious. Your subconscious believes she is wrong, and also you are still in the red zone of eating meat, so your results are wrong.
sourcetruth, you are jumping to conclusion. Without asking me or asking the source, you've jumped to conclusion that I eat meat. How did you arrive at your conclusion? Did you ask your pendulum? I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, I don't even kill insects.

You claim that my answer from my pendulum comes from my subconscious. How do you know this? Did you have a vision, or are you psychic? I cleansed and calibrated my pendulum to the Infinite Source by following her exact instructions. Also, I've been practicing meditation for over 23 years, as long as I've been a vegetarian. And I've been studying spiritualism seriously for the past 44 years, how long have you been studying spiritualism? I've attended at least six 10-days intensive Chinese Zen meditation under world renowned Chinese Zen master (Venerable Shen Yen) who has published many bookcases of scholarly books on meditation and Chinese Zen. During intensive meditation retreats, our schedule is to wake up at 4:00 am and lights out is at 10 pm. I've studied many forms of meditation as well, even attending 21 day mindful meditation retreat last year at oversea venue. How many intensive Zen meditation retreats have you participated in, led by Zen master who have founded own monasteries? My wife's sister is a Chinese Zen master who has founded her own monastery in Taiwan, and people from all over the world come to learn and practice meditation under her guidance, so pretty much at any time, I can consult her for any spiritual advise.

Many knowledgeable people on this thread have clearly demonstrated that her teachings are not beneficial to the public, but despite this you are clinging to your belief that her teachings are beneficial to you. If your personality is a result of following her teachings, again it clearly shows that it did not have the intended benefit.

I think you didn't take the time to thoughtfully read the Star Mariner's response to you. Here is a key quote from his posting:

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.
Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.

Incidentally, I dowsed the truthfulness of the "A Course in Miracles" book, which has been around a long time and many believe to be a channeling of the teaching of Jesus. My dowsing indicated that this book does not present the truth. Another very advanced member of this forum has posted since I discussed this confirmed that this book is not to be trusted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108651-Meeting-With-All-My-Selves-From-Parallel-Universes&p=1315361&viewfull=1#post1315361).

[sourcetruth]

It is an intentional creation, by a Divine Creator, but the only trap (at this level of the 'matrix') is self-constructed by the laws of karma, aka Cause and Effect. If you self-err then you must self-correct. In other words, if you fail the test you must retake the class.


No, the trap is the result of the law that everything must have a cause, which results from cause and effect. This means that something can't come from nothing. In order for this reality to come to be, it must be created from something. This something is an energy that has the potential to create. This is the energy that creates reality. This does limit us when we waste and drain our energy in certain ways. We get trapped in what drains energy from us.

If you fail the test then you do not retake the class, you retake the test. That is what happens when you fail the matrix, you are reborn. If you llose all of your energy that is worse than failing, and you are captured by the demiurge.

The creator of this matrix exists as the source players/souls creating this reality experience.


You can view it as a game, but really it's just one rung of the ladder, and part of the learning curve in spiritual evolution.
There is no "evolution" outside of this matrix, we have all of the knowledge when we exist in source.


Partially true, but we are all individualized consciousnesses, spiritual sparks of the one fire (Source).
Not all of the humans are sparks of source, this only applies to souls. There are still soulless ones that do not have the spark of source housed in a soul.


No. Where there is life, there is spirit. Where there is spirit, there is life. There are no soulless beings.
Untrue. Again, where there is life there is spirit. You cannot have one without the other.

Spirit is simply the illusion of soul, it does not house a spark of source. Spirits and souls are distinct, which is why there are soulless beings that could be considered to have a spirit, which is simply an entity.


Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls.
You are mistaken. What must be embodied in a human is an entity, which is an artificial mimick of a soul created by the matrix using the energy from source players. This type of entity is also known as a spirit. These humans have spirits but not souls. A soul is consciousness while a spirit is created by consciousness using energy. A soul houses a source fractal, which is a spark of source. A spirit is the decoy of a soul.


To believe in the unhumanity of the vast majority of those people around you lessens their value and cheapens their worth. This is not just unspiritual it's anti-spiritual, and as dangerous a philosophy as there can be.

This concept of soulless ones is about source players realizing their own self worth. It is beneficial to the source player who holds the philosophy
This is an inner journey.
This does contradict what you think of as spirituality. It challenges your view of reality as a whole. The concept still has truth to it, regardless of what you think the implications are.


'Scripted' is a human word/concept. There is no script, only Laws. These are the Natural Laws that govern the functioning and evolution of the Universe and all its multitudinous parts, from black holes to bacteria and down to the quantum level – literally everything.
There are scripts that determine the programming of the matrix and of matrix entities. The script determines the events that take place on a stage within the matrix.


There is a 'Plan' for every person coming into an incarnation. A set of goals to attain, lessons to learn. But we can deviate from our plan because we have Free Will.
The only goal is to master the matrix by connecting with your source self. Source already has contained within it all there is to learn and all the answers, so that is not what the goal is for this reality.


It shows that a Divine Intelligence, greater than anything we can conceive of, is responsible for the Creation of the Universe
This is the result of creation by source.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

Actually, she also said that your pendulum is supposed to get answers from your source self connection. This can only be done from the 5th frequency plane and above, which can happen only after you removed meat from your diet for at least 30 days.

I do not eat meat, so therefore my pendulum is valid and yours is not.
My pendulum claims that she is right which is in opposition to your pendulum.

The answer you are getting is from your subconscious. Your subconscious believes she is wrong, and also you are still in the red zone of eating meat, so your results are wrong.
sourcetruth, you are jumping to conclusion. Without asking me or asking the source, you've jumped to conclusion that I eat meat. How did you arrive at your conclusion? Did you ask your pendulum? I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, I don't even kill insects.

You claim that my answer from my pendulum comes from my subconscious. How do you know this? Did you have a vision, or are you psychic? I cleansed and calibrated my pendulum to the Infinite Source by following her exact instructions. Also, I've been practicing meditation for over 23 years, as long as I've been a vegetarian. And I've been studying spiritualism seriously for the past 44 years, how long have you been studying spiritualism? I've attended at least six 10-days intensive Chinese Zen meditation under world renowned Chinese Zen master (Venerable Shen Yen) who has published many bookcases of scholarly books on meditation and Chinese Zen. During intensive meditation retreats, our schedule is to wake up at 4:00 am and lights out is at 10 pm. I've studied many forms of meditation as well, even attending 21 day mindful meditation retreat last year at oversea venue. How many intensive Zen meditation retreats have you participated in, led by Zen master who have founded own monasteries? My wife's sister is a Chinese Zen master who has founded her own monastery in Taiwan, and people from all over the world come to learn and practice meditation under her guidance, so pretty much at any time, I can consult her for any spiritual advise.

Many knowledgeable people on this thread have clearly demonstrated that her teachings are not beneficial to the public, but despite this you are clinging to your belief that her teachings are beneficial to you. If your personality is a result of following her teachings, again it clearly shows that it did not have the intended benefit.

I think you didn't take the time to thoughtfully read the Star Mariner's response to you. Here is a key quote from his posting:

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.
Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.

Incidentally, I dowsed the truthfulness of the "A Course in Miracles" book, which has been around a long time and many believe to be a channeling of the teaching of Jesus. My dowsing indicated that this book does not present the truth. Another very advanced member of this forum has posted since I discussed this confirmed that this book is not to be trusted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108651-Meeting-With-All-My-Selves-From-Parallel-Universes&p=1315361&viewfull=1#post1315361).

What did you ask your pendulum exactly? Tell me what exactly you asked your pendulum, and how the pendulum responded. I want to know exactly what you asked your pendulum. If you asked it a general question it would be more ambiguous then asking a specific question, such as asking if a specific statement made is true.

I am indeed agreeing that her teachings are not beneficial to the public. The general public consists of 99.98% soulless ones, which will not benefit from these teachings. Only people with souls, which are about 1 in 5000 of the public will benefit. There are only 1.5 million souls in the world, and this is who it will benefit.


Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.
I do not claim to have compassion, although I do claim to have understanding and knowledge.
I have demonstrated wisdom in my understanding of this topic.

[sourcetruth]

Correct. And the thesis of this channel, of this matrix material, is programming of exactly the same type.


Not in the slightest, because this channel is teaching source players how to succeed on an individual journey. This is nothing like religious programming.


There is no game to be won. There is only spiritual purity and self-realization to attain.
This only comes from conecting with your source self by raising your frequency. This is a game to win because there are many challenges in your way that you must overcome.


We don't 'use' our energy. This reality IS energy, and we use our will and creative intent to mould the energy of reality into what we want it to be.
Our intent is only powerful because we are using the power that exists within us. This power is the power to create, and creation comes from using this energy with the intention to create. This energy is used to create, there cannot be creation without using something that has the power to create, and that something is energy.


That's the movie "The Matrix" in a nutshell, which is probably what inspired this 'matrix' material. It even includes Agent Smith. Is she trying to start a movement (and make lots of money) based on a work of sci-fi? I suppose if L. Ron Hubbard could do it...

What you don't understand is that source is trying to wake source players up about the truth of this reality by including source truth in such places as movies, because source truth must be available to source players. The matrix movie represents what this reality is. The soulless ones are the programs of the matrix that are powered by the souls energy.


- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
Mumbo jumbo.

You are only saying this because you don't understand it.


We exist on all planes simultaneously. Your experience is where your present focus is directed.

No, our consciousness exists as five frequency bodies which occupy the eleven frequency states. Our experience depends on the frequency state we are in, which depends on the state of our energies and our consciousness.


You don't lose energy per se, but you channel your energy, the 'where' is based on the intention.
Yes you do lose energy. Energy is lost to create that lower frequency experience.


Incorrect. These are baser energies, but they are not necessarily lower energies. It's all about Intention - the heart-centred intention of any act is all-important. If you don't know that eating animals is wrong, then it isn't wrong. Simple as that. As for sex, in sexual alchemy some of the highest and purest energies that can be experienced in human form are achieved in spiritual or tantric sex (that is according to some ancient mystical teachings precisely how light-children, i.e., immaculate or 'Christed-energies', are/were conceived).

There are no "baser" energies, the only base for our frequency is at the eleventh frequency plane which our source fractal exists on.
The intention is reflected by the action. Eating meat is a lower frequency intention.
What you believe are experiencing energies as sex and orgasms is not free. To experience energy requires that the energy is used to create the experience. This is what happens when a source player has sexual pleasure and orgasms, their energy is taken by the matrix because they used it for that experience, and this energy goes towards powering the matrix.


Partially true. There is always an interplay of energy between people when they interact. Energy can indeed be drawn off, and subconsciously fed off (an energy vampire). Think of the dynamics at play between the abuser and the abused. It works the same with positive energy, in giving your energy to one who needs it. Again it's all about Intention, and what's at the heart of your intention in each and every thought and deed.
It is not simply intention, there is energy being used to power the experience of that emotion itself.


I don't know of levels. There are 'states' and frequencies, but there are no hard boundaries between them, they shift gradually one into the other like the changing hues of a rainbow. Eating or not eating meat is not particularly relevant. One might think of aboriginal shaman in the outback of Australia, or going back centuries the Native American Indians, who had incredible wisdom and acquired very high levels of awareness, but throughout their development had very little to eat EXCEPT meat.
There are boundaries between them, although there are 9 subplanes in each frequency plane.
These are different energy states, and different states have distinct boundaries.

Those who ate meat back then were still soulless ones, there may have been a few who were source players, and they were still lowering their frequency.


The Law of Attraction is a clear reality but it works at all and every level, there's no cut off, no 'frequency 5' I know of. Levels and labels have no meaning in the greater spiritual reality. Even the '3rd' dimension has no meaning, because that's just a number, it's just a way to describe it in human terms.
For source players it can only work at level 5 and above. For soulless ones then they only experience what is part of their script.

Levels and labels desrcibe aspects of this reality. They have their uses.


Partially true. You can use your creative intent to shape your reality, but this does not 'consume' your energy.

It does consume your energy because tiur energy is what holds the abilitt to be used for this power. There is a cost to manifestation from your intent and that is an energy cost.

[Universoul]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.



I am not asking them to prove that I am wrong, I am asking them to explain why they believe I am wrong. This is not the same as shifting the burden of proof. i am simply demanding that they provide an explanation of their own point of view and their own reasoning behind it. Just because the burden of proof is on me for my claims does not mean that they are immune from having reasoned explanations for their claims. When they make a xounter claim against me they should also be able to explain their counterclaim. This is not shifting the burden of proof, this is demanding that they also explain their reasoning. They are simply rebutting my claim with a counter claim, but not explaining the counterclaim.



So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

It is not about being physically provable. This is about theories being logical and reasonable, and comparing the logic of competing theories to setermine which alternative is most reasonable.


If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.


That is how I started this thread, but as it progressed then the other posters became more oppositional, so I responded with more opposition. If they wanted to simply discuss this then I would be able to discuss it, but since thsy want to oppose this then I will be oppositional in response.

To be clear I do indeed agree with the statements that I discussed in my OP, although these are the claims of the youtube channel and not my own. However, I am.willing to discuss this ans even discuss oppositional statements.

In this discussion there are those that will simply dismiss this. This is preventing exploration of the topic which prevents us from gaining a full understanding, and that is counterproductive to the discussion.

You accosted the forum with the info. It is up to you to prove it or present it in a convincing way. It's not anyone's job to prove or disprove it. That's like going to a crowd and saying "The sky is green. If you don't believe me you must present your arguments in a way I think is logical and worthy"

If your intention is genuine and people are getting argumentative, why respond? If you believe the info to be true and it's helping your journey that's good, be content with it. Why's it matter what others think?

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.



I am not asking them to prove that I am wrong, I am asking them to explain why they believe I am wrong. This is not the same as shifting the burden of proof. i am simply demanding that they provide an explanation of their own point of view and their own reasoning behind it. Just because the burden of proof is on me for my claims does not mean that they are immune from having reasoned explanations for their claims. When they make a xounter claim against me they should also be able to explain their counterclaim. This is not shifting the burden of proof, this is demanding that they also explain their reasoning. They are simply rebutting my claim with a counter claim, but not explaining the counterclaim.



So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

It is not about being physically provable. This is about theories being logical and reasonable, and comparing the logic of competing theories to setermine which alternative is most reasonable.


If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.


That is how I started this thread, but as it progressed then the other posters became more oppositional, so I responded with more opposition. If they wanted to simply discuss this then I would be able to discuss it, but since thsy want to oppose this then I will be oppositional in response.

To be clear I do indeed agree with the statements that I discussed in my OP, although these are the claims of the youtube channel and not my own. However, I am.willing to discuss this ans even discuss oppositional statements.

In this discussion there are those that will simply dismiss this. This is preventing exploration of the topic which prevents us from gaining a full understanding, and that is counterproductive to the discussion.

You accosted the forum with the info. It is up to you to prove it or present it in a convincing way. It's not anyone's job to prove or disprove it.



You are just repeating yourself here. I already explained my response to this in my previous post towards you. You clearly did not address specifically what I stated in my response to you on this issue.

I am demanding that if someone tells me that I am wrong then to explain why they think so. I am not even asking them to prove it, I am simply asking them to explain and elaborate on their stance. If someone says that I am wrong about something they should be able to explain why they think I am wrong, not simply state that I am.

Just because I am the one hwo made the post does not mean that others are excused from having to explain their stance. I am asking them to explain their reasoning for why I am wrong.

If they said that I have not proven my statement then they could decide that I am neither right nor wrong in the absence of evidence, but if they decide or claim that I am wrong, they should explain why I am wrong instead of being neither right or wrong.


That's like going to a crowd and saying "The sky is green. If you don't believe me you must present your arguments in a way I think is logical and worthy"
That is not what I am doing, because I am able to back up my ideas.
You are assuming that I have nothing to back up my claims. I do have backing for my claims in the form of physical evidence and logical reasoning.


If your intention is genuine and people are getting argumentative, why respond? If you believe the info to be true and it's helping your journey that's good, be content with it. Why's it matter what others think?
Because I am defending the statments that I made. I opened this thread in order to strt a discussion about this topic, but it has turned into an argument.

[onevoice]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

Actually, she also said that your pendulum is supposed to get answers from your source self connection. This can only be done from the 5th frequency plane and above, which can happen only after you removed meat from your diet for at least 30 days.

I do not eat meat, so therefore my pendulum is valid and yours is not.
My pendulum claims that she is right which is in opposition to your pendulum.

The answer you are getting is from your subconscious. Your subconscious believes she is wrong, and also you are still in the red zone of eating meat, so your results are wrong.
sourcetruth, you are jumping to conclusion. Without asking me or asking the source, you've jumped to conclusion that I eat meat. How did you arrive at your conclusion? Did you ask your pendulum? I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, I don't even kill insects.

You claim that my answer from my pendulum comes from my subconscious. How do you know this? Did you have a vision, or are you psychic? I cleansed and calibrated my pendulum to the Infinite Source by following her exact instructions. Also, I've been practicing meditation for over 23 years, as long as I've been a vegetarian. And I've been studying spiritualism seriously for the past 44 years, how long have you been studying spiritualism? I've attended at least six 10-days intensive Chinese Zen meditation under world renowned Chinese Zen master (Venerable Shen Yen) who has published many bookcases of scholarly books on meditation and Chinese Zen. During intensive meditation retreats, our schedule is to wake up at 4:00 am and lights out is at 10 pm. I've studied many forms of meditation as well, even attending 21 day mindful meditation retreat last year at oversea venue. How many intensive Zen meditation retreats have you participated in, led by Zen master who have founded own monasteries? My wife's sister is a Chinese Zen master who has founded her own monastery in Taiwan, and people from all over the world come to learn and practice meditation under her guidance, so pretty much at any time, I can consult her for any spiritual advise.

Many knowledgeable people on this thread have clearly demonstrated that her teachings are not beneficial to the public, but despite this you are clinging to your belief that her teachings are beneficial to you. If your personality is a result of following her teachings, again it clearly shows that it did not have the intended benefit.

I think you didn't take the time to thoughtfully read the Star Mariner's response to you. Here is a key quote from his posting:

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.
Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.

Incidentally, I dowsed the truthfulness of the "A Course in Miracles" book, which has been around a long time and many believe to be a channeling of the teaching of Jesus. My dowsing indicated that this book does not present the truth. Another very advanced member of this forum has posted since I discussed this confirmed that this book is not to be trusted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108651-Meeting-With-All-My-Selves-From-Parallel-Universes&p=1315361&viewfull=1#post1315361).

What did you ask your pendulum exactly? Tell me what exactly you asked your pendulum, and how the pendulum responded. I want to know exactly what you asked your pendulum. If you asked it a general question it would be more ambiguous then asking a specific question, such as asking if a specific statement made is true.

I am indeed agreeing that her teachings are not beneficial to the public. The general public consists of 99.98% soulless ones, which will not benefit from these teachings. Only people with souls, which are about 1 in 5000 of the public will benefit. There are only 1.5 million souls in the world, and this is who it will benefit.


Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.
I do not claim to have compassion, although I do claim to have understanding and knowledge.
I have demonstrated wisdom in my understanding of this topic.
sourcetruth, you asked what question exactly I asked the pendulum regarding the Quart Crystal's teachings. Originally I asked my pendulum "is the Quartz Crystal's teaching truthful?" Since you seem to want more specific questions asked of my pendulum, here are the questions I asked the pendulum tonight and the corresponding results. I request that you repeat these questions exactly of your pendulum and let us know what the responses from your pendulum are.

Does the Quartz Crystal's teachings come from the Infinite Source? No.
Does eating meat prevent anyone from raising one's frequency? No
Do the 7+ billions of people on Earth have souls? Yes
Is the statement only "1 in 5000" people have soul true? No
Is there any human that do not have a soul? No
Is the "Quartz Crystal"'s teaching beneficial to any human? No
Is the statement, "I have demonstrated wisdom in my understanding of this topic" from the sourcetruth true? No

You said that you do not claim to have compassion. I stated in previous post that Wisdom and Compassion are two facets of the coin. Have you ever seen one-sided coin? I have not. My master taught that one cannot have one without the other; either both are present or both are absent. I hope you will see that the questions and the corresponding responses from my pendulum does not benefit you or anyone else. Her teaching is actually very dangerous as it is full of untruths, dogmatic and ritualistic. There are several videos in which she states that certain videos must be followed in certain sequence. That seems like a dangerous form of mental programming. I am only stating these things out of compassion for you, to benefit you and not to argue or debate you.

[Universoul]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.



I am not asking them to prove that I am wrong, I am asking them to explain why they believe I am wrong. This is not the same as shifting the burden of proof. i am simply demanding that they provide an explanation of their own point of view and their own reasoning behind it. Just because the burden of proof is on me for my claims does not mean that they are immune from having reasoned explanations for their claims. When they make a xounter claim against me they should also be able to explain their counterclaim. This is not shifting the burden of proof, this is demanding that they also explain their reasoning. They are simply rebutting my claim with a counter claim, but not explaining the counterclaim.



So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

It is not about being physically provable. This is about theories being logical and reasonable, and comparing the logic of competing theories to setermine which alternative is most reasonable.


If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.


That is how I started this thread, but as it progressed then the other posters became more oppositional, so I responded with more opposition. If they wanted to simply discuss this then I would be able to discuss it, but since thsy want to oppose this then I will be oppositional in response.

To be clear I do indeed agree with the statements that I discussed in my OP, although these are the claims of the youtube channel and not my own. However, I am.willing to discuss this ans even discuss oppositional statements.

In this discussion there are those that will simply dismiss this. This is preventing exploration of the topic which prevents us from gaining a full understanding, and that is counterproductive to the discussion.

You accosted the forum with the info. It is up to you to prove it or present it in a convincing way. It's not anyone's job to prove or disprove it.



You are just repeating yourself here. I already explained my response to this in my previous post towards you. You clearly did not address specifically what I stated in my response to you on this issue.

I am demanding that if someone tells me that I am wrong then to explain why they think so. I am not even asking them to prove it, I am simply asking them to explain and elaborate on their stance. If someone says that I am wrong about something they should be able to explain why they think I am wrong, not simply state that I am.

Just because I am the one hwo made the post does not mean that others are excused from having to explain their stance. I am asking them to explain their reasoning for why I am wrong.

If they said that I have not proven my statement then they could decide that I am neither right nor wrong in the absence of evidence, but if they decide or claim that I am wrong, they should explain why I am wrong instead of being neither right or wrong.


That's like going to a crowd and saying "The sky is green. If you don't believe me you must present your arguments in a way I think is logical and worthy"
That is not what I am doing, because I am able to back up my ideas.
You are assuming that I have nothing to back up my claims. I do have backing for my claims in the form of physical evidence and logical reasoning.


If your intention is genuine and people are getting argumentative, why respond? If you believe the info to be true and it's helping your journey that's good, be content with it. Why's it matter what others think?
Because I am defending the statments that I made. I opened this thread in order to strt a discussion about this topic, but it has turned into an argument.

I'm repeating myself because the point of humility in regard to communicating with other people is being overlooked. I can't speak for how well people have responded to your posts or explained their differing opinions. Although people are usually patient and compassionate on here, so I would think others have tried explaining their perspectives to you.

I can only say we have no right to demand anything, especially when we're the ones starting the music and asking others to play along. Graciousness, humility, and compassion for others' perspectives goes a long way in these situations.

Usually I don't post on threads like this. I've seen many posts on here about what people believe to be "the" truth. When new information is presented in a stubborn inflexible way it creates a dissonance, the clash of subjective perspectives and wills. At that point nothing can be learned because minds are polarized and can only clang like atonal bells.

Some entities feed off of the low energy. Which is what I believe we should be concerned with because we can also choose to align with and create consonance with our words and actions. I'm repeating myself and going on a tangent so will leave the thread, may the discussion remain civil and help anyone who requires the info.

[pueblo]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

[greybeard]

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.

Enlightenment is also called Godrealization for the reason that "Source" within is revealed.
So there is a very direct "communication"

Mystics sitting in caves thousands of years ago described the form of the atom. There is documented life history of Ramana Maharshi who was enlightened at the age of 16.
All will be disregarded by sourcetruth as not pointing to the Truth according to a u tube poster.

Maybe the sky is green.

We are spending too much time trying to "save" source truth from untruth.

How anyone can say that the majority of people are soul-less beggars belief.
Millions will give money anytime there is a disaster fund opened. Millions give blood.

The soul of mankind is great and loving, anyone who says other wise is in error.

Chris

[greybeard]

Wind posted this on the enlightenment and related matters thread.
Think its relevant here.

Sometimes it appears as though God is hidden
—but from whom? God is infinite.
Where can the infinite hide? And from whom?
In fact, the one the seeker is trying to find
is itself the very one appearing as the seeker.

~ Mooji

[ExomatrixTV]

My "Perceptional Concept" for you, with an illustrative video attachment:

If the Prime Creator created (is the source of) everything, than everything that comes FROM it, is of it like sparks of a fire having the potential to ignite new fires! (metaphorical speaking).

So how can something "not" from Source if without Source nothing would be possible to exist in the first place, unless anything from the Second, Third, Forth (etc. etc.) Co-creator supposedly "does not count", meanwhile all "after effects" would never happened without the First Prime Creator!

Do I make sense here "SourceTruth" ?

lQnfFJMwsCo

I am the "other you" ... you are the "other me" ... we both pretend we do not know that anymore so that the "game" will go on in to eternity!

--o-O-o--

Side note: Everything when I hear some one claiming (y)our future & history does "not exist" only the eternal now assuming "time does not exist either" ... meanwhile the same person claiming that most likely does not like "cold coffee" or "cold tea" which is ONLY related to Time ;) ... And I can give 1000s of practical examples why we all are related to time ... but I also know that part of us is beyond time ... both aspects are not mutual exclusive!

cheers,
NDE'er John Kuhles 26-09-2019

[ExomatrixTV]

Maybe related? ... Bashar's "4 LAWS OF CREATION".

01. Everything that Exists will always exist and everything that doesn't exist will never exist.
02. All is One & One is All.
03. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
04. Everything Changes in Existence except for the other 3 Laws of Creation.
rcq5tcOzito
"We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world." -Buddha

[sourcetruth]

My "Perceptional Concept" for you, with an illustrative video attachment:

If the Prime Creator created (is the source of) everything, than everything that comes FROM it, is of it like sparks of a fire having the potential to ignite new fires! (metaphorical speaking).

So how can something "not" from Source if without Source nothing would be possible to exist in the first place, unless anything from the Second, Third, Forth (etc. etc.) Co-creator supposedly "does not count", meanwhile all "after effects" would never happened without the First Prime Creator!

Do I make sense here "SourceTruth" ?

lQnfFJMwsCo

I am the "other you" ... you are the "other me" ... we both pretend we do not know that anymore so that the "game" will go on in to eternity!

--o-O-o--

Side note: Everything when I hear some one claiming (y)our future & history does "not exist" only the eternal now assuming "time does not exist either" ... meanwhile the same person claiming that most likely does not like "cold coffee" or "cold tea" which is ONLY related to Time ;) ... And I can give 1000s of practical examples why we all are related to time ... but I also know that part of us is beyond time ... both aspects are not mutual exclusive!

cheers,
NDE'er John Kuhles 26-09-2019

Everthing is experienced with in source, rather than "coming from" it.

The soulless ones are powered and created by source but they are not source, they are programmed entitiesm

Source players are souls. They do not simply come from source, they are source.

[sourcetruth]

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.

Enlightenment is also called Godrealization for the reason that "Source" within is revealed.
So there is a very direct "communication"

Mystics sitting in caves thousands of years ago described the form of the atom. There is documented life history of Ramana Maharshi who was enlightened at the age of 16.
All will be disregarded by sourcetruth as not pointing to the Truth according to a u tube poster.

Maybe the sky is green.

We are spending too much time trying to "save" source truth from untruth.

How anyone can say that the majority of people are soul-less beggars belief.
Millions will give money anytime there is a disaster fund opened. Millions give blood.

The soul of mankind is great and loving, anyone who says other wise is in error.

Chris

Why do you want to change my mind? The focus should be on discussing this topic, not changing anybody's minds.

I do not have to agree with what you beieve is spiritual knowledge. I am not saying that I disagree with everything that you say, you are taking this the wrong way to interpret that I am disregarding other spiritual knolwedge, and you are taking this the wrong way because of your own bias. I don't claim to agree with everything that can be said to be spiritual knowledge, but I do agree with some of it. There is no justification for you to say that I am blatantly disregarding spiritual knowledge.

You are implying that others are commenting logically as to imply that I am not commenting logically, which is unjustified. My responses have been completely logical.

[sourcetruth]

Maybe related? ... Bashar's "4 LAWS OF CREATION".

01. Everything that Exists will always exist and everything that doesn't exist will never exist.
02. All is One & One is All.
03. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
04. Everything Changes in Existence except for the other 3 Laws of Creation.
rcq5tcOzito
"We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world." -Buddha

I agree with statements 2 and 3, but disagree with statement 1 and partially agree with 4.

1. The connection in this statement does not make sense. Just because something exists or doesn't exist in the present does not mean that it will stay that way in the future.

2. This statement is right when you cobsider the one to be the source of all, which would be called source.

3. This is also right, because of the law of cause and effect.

4. This is true in a way, but there are certain unchanging things in existence when you look at a certain context.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).


These statements are not simply my statements, they are the statements of a youtuber that I referenced in my original post. I do agree with this person however.

Your best claim against this is simply calling it names, instead of logical reasoning to explain why I am wrong.

If I may add something, I'll say the burden of proof is on you. It's not on the people who doubt your theories which can't be proven in the mundane world.



I am not asking them to prove that I am wrong, I am asking them to explain why they believe I am wrong. This is not the same as shifting the burden of proof. i am simply demanding that they provide an explanation of their own point of view and their own reasoning behind it. Just because the burden of proof is on me for my claims does not mean that they are immune from having reasoned explanations for their claims. When they make a xounter claim against me they should also be able to explain their counterclaim. This is not shifting the burden of proof, this is demanding that they also explain their reasoning. They are simply rebutting my claim with a counter claim, but not explaining the counterclaim.



So, what if most spiritual theories can't be proven? It's more a matter of their quality and inspiration to you.

It is not about being physically provable. This is about theories being logical and reasonable, and comparing the logic of competing theories to setermine which alternative is most reasonable.


If you want to share that with others it's all about how you approach them. If they are skeptical and defensive, it might be your approach.

It can be better to offer new information with an open minded and humble way. "Hey I found this and it works for me, what do you think?"

It's all about energy. If you use the absolutist approach, "THIS is the way it is", then you're gonna get that stern/confrontational energy in return because you're helping to create it.

If you want them to listen you have to be humble and open minded with your approach. You shouldn't start with theories treated as absolutes, which can't be proven.


That is how I started this thread, but as it progressed then the other posters became more oppositional, so I responded with more opposition. If they wanted to simply discuss this then I would be able to discuss it, but since thsy want to oppose this then I will be oppositional in response.

To be clear I do indeed agree with the statements that I discussed in my OP, although these are the claims of the youtube channel and not my own. However, I am.willing to discuss this ans even discuss oppositional statements.

In this discussion there are those that will simply dismiss this. This is preventing exploration of the topic which prevents us from gaining a full understanding, and that is counterproductive to the discussion.

You accosted the forum with the info. It is up to you to prove it or present it in a convincing way. It's not anyone's job to prove or disprove it.



You are just repeating yourself here. I already explained my response to this in my previous post towards you. You clearly did not address specifically what I stated in my response to you on this issue.

I am demanding that if someone tells me that I am wrong then to explain why they think so. I am not even asking them to prove it, I am simply asking them to explain and elaborate on their stance. If someone says that I am wrong about something they should be able to explain why they think I am wrong, not simply state that I am.

Just because I am the one hwo made the post does not mean that others are excused from having to explain their stance. I am asking them to explain their reasoning for why I am wrong.

If they said that I have not proven my statement then they could decide that I am neither right nor wrong in the absence of evidence, but if they decide or claim that I am wrong, they should explain why I am wrong instead of being neither right or wrong.


That's like going to a crowd and saying "The sky is green. If you don't believe me you must present your arguments in a way I think is logical and worthy"
That is not what I am doing, because I am able to back up my ideas.
You are assuming that I have nothing to back up my claims. I do have backing for my claims in the form of physical evidence and logical reasoning.


If your intention is genuine and people are getting argumentative, why respond? If you believe the info to be true and it's helping your journey that's good, be content with it. Why's it matter what others think?
Because I am defending the statments that I made. I opened this thread in order to strt a discussion about this topic, but it has turned into an argument.

I'm repeating myself because the point of humility in regard to communicating with other people is being overlooked. I can't speak for how well people have responded to your posts or explained their differing opinions. Although people are usually patient and compassionate on here, so I would think others have tried explaining their perspectives to you.

I can only say we have no right to demand anything, especially when we're the ones starting the music and asking others to play along. Graciousness, humility, and compassion for others' perspectives goes a long way in these situations.

Usually I don't post on threads like this. I've seen many posts on here about what people believe to be "the" truth. When new information is presented in a stubborn inflexible way it creates a dissonance, the clash of subjective perspectives and wills. At that point nothing can be learned because minds are polarized and can only clang like atonal bells.

Some entities feed off of the low energy. Which is what I believe we should be concerned with because we can also choose to align with and create consonance with our words and actions. I'm repeating myself and going on a tangent so will leave the thread, may the discussion remain civil and help anyone who requires the info.

I am not trying to polarize the discussion, I am simply asking them to explain themselves so that I can get a better understanding of their perspective. When they are not willing to explain themselves then that indicates that they are not trying to simply discuss the topic but are rather teying to make a point of disagreement.

[sourcetruth]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

She has also made it clear in her videos that if you do not accept her message then you are welcome to leave her and stop watching her youtube channel. Her goal is only to reach out to what she considers source players, which are the souls in this reality. She understands that most will not accept her, and she is okay with that because she knows that she is not trying to reach out to the general public which consist of 99.98% soulless ones. She knows that her message is only meant to help a select few people who are the only people that are truly souls in this reality.

She is not simply telling you information about the matrix, she is also clearly outlining what you need to do according to her. The only way to find any of this out for yourself is to actually do what she tells you about. In the short term you will be taking her word for it but once you see success than you will understand what she is telling you based on more than just her word, and will have experience that will either support or not support what she says. For me, my experience has supported what she says, so I am convinced of her.

Not to say that my experience is all that I have to support her, there are many other reasons that support what she is saying in her videos and it ties in with my previous understanding of this reality.

I have watched all of her videos, and so I have understood all of her content.


If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

That is quite a jump to make. If she is right, that does not neccessarily invalidate everything else that is considered spiritual knowledge, although it does invalidate some of it, and she makes it clear that there is a good amount of spiritual knowledge that is not complete truth, according to her. But it alone does not invalidate all other spiritual knowledge.

[sourcetruth]

"Sourcetruth" goes even further than the name "Pravda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda)" in 1980s Soviet Union claiming to have "only truth" in their News Paper! (we all know better than that). Because it comes from the "11 dimension or realm" and is "Source" ... a bold statement aka claim.

How you present (or sell) yourself to world determines the response you get or can expect.

Pretentious sonorous magniloquent (even if parts are true).

ExomatrixTv, you nailed it! sourcetruth just doesn't get it. The "Quartz Crystal" in one of her video states not to just take her words, we can verify it with a crystal pendulum. Well, I just did that and dowsed her videos. The response from the pendulum is resounding negative; she is not expounding truth. Some of statements from one of her video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaT5v9ZE68A):

You should not Trust any Person or Spirit Guide or Any Other Entity. You NEED to VERIFY the things that you hear so you're not wasting your time on things that will distract and distort, and keep you here in this MATRIX. True wisdom and knowledge can only be obtained from Source.

Actually, she also said that your pendulum is supposed to get answers from your source self connection. This can only be done from the 5th frequency plane and above, which can happen only after you removed meat from your diet for at least 30 days.

I do not eat meat, so therefore my pendulum is valid and yours is not.
My pendulum claims that she is right which is in opposition to your pendulum.

The answer you are getting is from your subconscious. Your subconscious believes she is wrong, and also you are still in the red zone of eating meat, so your results are wrong.
sourcetruth, you are jumping to conclusion. Without asking me or asking the source, you've jumped to conclusion that I eat meat. How did you arrive at your conclusion? Did you ask your pendulum? I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, I don't even kill insects.

You claim that my answer from my pendulum comes from my subconscious. How do you know this? Did you have a vision, or are you psychic? I cleansed and calibrated my pendulum to the Infinite Source by following her exact instructions. Also, I've been practicing meditation for over 23 years, as long as I've been a vegetarian. And I've been studying spiritualism seriously for the past 44 years, how long have you been studying spiritualism? I've attended at least six 10-days intensive Chinese Zen meditation under world renowned Chinese Zen master (Venerable Shen Yen) who has published many bookcases of scholarly books on meditation and Chinese Zen. During intensive meditation retreats, our schedule is to wake up at 4:00 am and lights out is at 10 pm. I've studied many forms of meditation as well, even attending 21 day mindful meditation retreat last year at oversea venue. How many intensive Zen meditation retreats have you participated in, led by Zen master who have founded own monasteries? My wife's sister is a Chinese Zen master who has founded her own monastery in Taiwan, and people from all over the world come to learn and practice meditation under her guidance, so pretty much at any time, I can consult her for any spiritual advise.

Many knowledgeable people on this thread have clearly demonstrated that her teachings are not beneficial to the public, but despite this you are clinging to your belief that her teachings are beneficial to you. If your personality is a result of following her teachings, again it clearly shows that it did not have the intended benefit.

I think you didn't take the time to thoughtfully read the Star Mariner's response to you. Here is a key quote from his posting:

I've read some of this material now and watched the first video, though I didn't invest any further in these 'teachings' (or falsehoods) – yet at no point, with all the talk of how to raise one's frequency, make stronger connections to source, or win this so-called 'game', did she touch on the ONLY real way to actually, really, raise your frequency, achieve a stronger connection to source, and win this so-called game. And that real way is...?

Love.

The only way to do any of these things is open yourself up to love, to receive it and give it, unconditionally. Everything else, everything else, is entirely unimportant.
Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.

Incidentally, I dowsed the truthfulness of the "A Course in Miracles" book, which has been around a long time and many believe to be a channeling of the teaching of Jesus. My dowsing indicated that this book does not present the truth. Another very advanced member of this forum has posted since I discussed this confirmed that this book is not to be trusted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108651-Meeting-With-All-My-Selves-From-Parallel-Universes&p=1315361&viewfull=1#post1315361).

What did you ask your pendulum exactly? Tell me what exactly you asked your pendulum, and how the pendulum responded. I want to know exactly what you asked your pendulum. If you asked it a general question it would be more ambiguous then asking a specific question, such as asking if a specific statement made is true.

I am indeed agreeing that her teachings are not beneficial to the public. The general public consists of 99.98% soulless ones, which will not benefit from these teachings. Only people with souls, which are about 1 in 5000 of the public will benefit. There are only 1.5 million souls in the world, and this is who it will benefit.


Buddhism's two primary tenets are Wisdom and Compassion. All other teachings support these two tenets. And my late master Shen Yen's teachings always centered on these two principles, which in reality are two facets of the same coin.

Clearly you haven't demonstrated neither wisdom or compassion in any of your postings on this thread so far, and that is very obvious to everyone else but you.
I do not claim to have compassion, although I do claim to have understanding and knowledge.
I have demonstrated wisdom in my understanding of this topic.
sourcetruth, you asked what question exactly I asked the pendulum regarding the Quart Crystal's teachings. Originally I asked my pendulum "is the Quartz Crystal's teaching truthful?" Since you seem to want more specific questions asked of my pendulum, here are the questions I asked the pendulum tonight and the corresponding results. I request that you repeat these questions exactly of your pendulum and let us know what the responses from your pendulum are.

Does the Quartz Crystal's teachings come from the Infinite Source? No.
Does eating meat prevent anyone from raising one's frequency? No
Do the 7+ billions of people on Earth have souls? Yes
Is the statement only "1 in 5000" people have soul true? No
Is there any human that do not have a soul? No
Is the "Quartz Crystal"'s teaching beneficial to any human? No
Is the statement, "I have demonstrated wisdom in my understanding of this topic" from the sourcetruth true? No

You said that you do not claim to have compassion. I stated in previous post that Wisdom and Compassion are two facets of the coin. Have you ever seen one-sided coin? I have not. My master taught that one cannot have one without the other; either both are present or both are absent. I hope you will see that the questions and the corresponding responses from my pendulum does not benefit you or anyone else. Her teaching is actually very dangerous as it is full of untruths, dogmatic and ritualistic. There are several videos in which she states that certain videos must be followed in certain sequence. That seems like a dangerous form of mental programming. I am only stating these things out of compassion for you, to benefit you and not to argue or debate you.


Her teaching is actually very dangerous as it is full of untruths, dogmatic and ritualistic. There are several videos in which she states that certain videos must be followed in certain sequence. That seems like a dangerous form of mental programming.

I want to draw attention towards this statement.
In this statement you show that you have a bias. This bias is rooted consciously and/or subconsciously. When you have this bias, it is inevitable that it will affect your pendulum results. I am not sure why you have this bias, but it could be because what she says does not match with your current beliefs or belief system.

I will address the questions that you have asked.

Questions 1 and 6 are about Quartz Crystal and not about specifically what she says, so they can be influenced by your bias, and it is not previse enough to determine answers about her specific statements. It is reasonable to ask questions about the statements themselves.

Question 2 about eating meat is not directed at asking about source players, it is asking about people as a whole, and this only applies to a specific subset of people known as source players.

Questions 3,4, and 5 are specifucally about souls. This could also be affected by your previous bias, beliefs, and/or emotions, because these questions involve a tolic that may make you feel a strong emotion towards or hold a strong belief towards one choice or the other. This would be rooted in your consciousness and/or subconsciousness.

The answer to question 7 shows that you have not understood what I have said in this thread.

The point of the pemdulum validation is to validate it to yourself. While you can share your pendulum reslits with others, it should also be up to others to validate what your pendulum says in order to validate it for themselves.

[onevoice]

I want to draw attention towards this statement.
In this statement you show that you have a bias. This bias is rooted consciously and/or subconsciously. When you have this bias, it is inevitable that it will affect your pendulum results. I am not sure why you have this bias, but it could be because what she says does not match with your current beliefs or belief system.

I will address the questions that you have asked.

Questions 1 and 6 are about Quartz Crystal and not about specifically what she says, so they can be influenced by your bias, and it is not previse enough to determine answers about her specific statements. It is reasonable to ask questions about the statements themselves.

Question 2 about eating meat is not directed at asking about source players, it is asking about people as a whole, and this only applies to a specific subset of people known as source players.

Questions 3,4, and 5 are specifucally about souls. This could also be affected by your previous bias, beliefs, and/or emotions, because these questions involve a tolic that may make you feel a strong emotion towards or hold a strong belief towards one choice or the other. This would be rooted in your consciousness and/or subconsciousness.

The answer to question 7 shows that you have not understood what I have said in this thread.

The point of the pemdulum validation is to validate it to yourself. While you can share your pendulum reslits with others, it should also be up to others to validate what your pendulum says in order to validate it for themselves.
sourcetruth, you are one of the most contentious and insolent person I've ever met. I requested that you repeat the seven questions I posted previously to your pendulum then post your results on this thread. Instead of doing that all you have done is analyzed the questions and provided your own analysis which I didn't request. Did you not understand my request in my previous post that you quoted here? You can't even debate or discuss disagreements accordingly to commonly accepted standard of debate process.

Have you for a minute reflected on why for the last several pages of your posts on this thread, not a single member on this forum has thanked your postings? Many members of this forum has taken their previous time to try to help to see that Quart Crystal's videos are not valuable to anybody. As the Greybeard stated

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.
in a previous post, it is obvious to all that you haven't and won't even consider the merits of any views presented by others on this forum. I wish you well on your journey following the Quart Crystal's teachings.

[sourcetruth]

I want to draw attention towards this statement.
In this statement you show that you have a bias. This bias is rooted consciously and/or subconsciously. When you have this bias, it is inevitable that it will affect your pendulum results. I am not sure why you have this bias, but it could be because what she says does not match with your current beliefs or belief system.

I will address the questions that you have asked.

Questions 1 and 6 are about Quartz Crystal and not about specifically what she says, so they can be influenced by your bias, and it is not previse enough to determine answers about her specific statements. It is reasonable to ask questions about the statements themselves.

Question 2 about eating meat is not directed at asking about source players, it is asking about people as a whole, and this only applies to a specific subset of people known as source players.

Questions 3,4, and 5 are specifucally about souls. This could also be affected by your previous bias, beliefs, and/or emotions, because these questions involve a tolic that may make you feel a strong emotion towards or hold a strong belief towards one choice or the other. This would be rooted in your consciousness and/or subconsciousness.

The answer to question 7 shows that you have not understood what I have said in this thread.

The point of the pemdulum validation is to validate it to yourself. While you can share your pendulum reslits with others, it should also be up to others to validate what your pendulum says in order to validate it for themselves.
sourcetruth, you are one of the most contentious and insolent person I've ever met. I requested that you repeat the seven questions I posted previously to your pendulum then post your results on this thread. Instead of doing that all you have done is analyzed the questions and provided your own analysis which I didn't request. Did you not understand my request in my previous post that you quoted here? You can't even debate or discuss disagreements accordingly to commonly accepted standard of debate process.

Have you for a minute reflected on why for the last several pages of your posts on this thread, not a single member on this forum has thanked your postings? Many members of this forum has taken their previous time to try to help to see that Quart Crystal's videos are not valuable to anybody. As the Greybeard stated

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.
in a previous post, it is obvious to all that you haven't and won't even consider the merits of any views presented by others on this forum. I wish you well on your journey following the Quart Crystal's teachings.

You are the one who is being contentious and insolent, based on the bias that is revealed in this quote of you:

Her teaching is actually very dangerous as it is full of untruths, dogmatic and ritualistic. There are several videos in which she states that certain videos must be followed in certain sequence. That seems like a dangerous form of mental programming

You have clearly shown that you have already made up your mind about this topic before you ever used a pendulum.

This is why you have the nerve to call me contentious and insolent, because you have already made up youe mind about this topic that I am discussing.

This has become an argument between me and several other posters. Who do you expect to thank me when I am arguing this by myself? No matter how well reasoned my responses are, my posts will not get the recognition they deserve because I am arguing against a group of people.


Many members of this forum has taken their previous time to try to help to see that Quart Crystal's videos are not valuable to anybody

I already explained that it is not completely wrong to say that Quartz Crystal is not beneficial to everybody. What I have been saying is that Quartz Crystal is only beneficial to souls, which are only 1 in 5000 people. So Quartz Crystal is only beneficial to the tiny fraction of the population which has a soul, while it would not be beneficial to the rest of the people who do not have souls

What is happening here is actually that they have made up their minda about this topic as soon as they seen it. They have not demonstrated that Quartz Crystal wouldn't be beneficial to source players. I have addressed them with reasonable reponses that show how they have not done this.


in a previous post, it is obvious to all that you haven't and won't even consider the merits of any views presented by others on this forum. I wish you well on your journey following the Quart Crystal's teachings

Considering everything that I have said in this post, it is clear that it is you, not me, who is not wiling to consider the merits of the other person's viewpoint.

[greybeard]

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.

Enlightenment is also called Godrealization for the reason that "Source" within is revealed.
So there is a very direct "communication"

Mystics sitting in caves thousands of years ago described the form of the atom. There is documented life history of Ramana Maharshi who was enlightened at the age of 16.
All will be disregarded by sourcetruth as not pointing to the Truth according to a u tube poster.

Maybe the sky is green.

We are spending too much time trying to "save" source truth from untruth.

How anyone can say that the majority of people are soul-less beggars belief.
Millions will give money anytime there is a disaster fund opened. Millions give blood.

The soul of mankind is great and loving, anyone who says other wise is in error.

Chris

sourcetruth when you quoted me you did so out of context.
I said why should he (change his mind)
I have else where pointed out that you are entitled to your opinions.
Truth is Truth unchanging.
It is untruth to say that very few here have souls.
That is limiting the creator who is omnipresent.
So if you want to disagree with The Christ-- The Buddha and a host of others too numerous to mention that is your choice and you are free to do so.
Best wishes
Chris
Ps I have also pointed out that all concepts must go.
The teacher can point from their own experience but thats not it
The Truth lies within and is available to all.
Not a few at a certain vibration.
"I am the way"
Chris

[pueblo]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

She has also made it clear in her videos that if you do not accept her message then you are welcome to leave her and stop watching her youtube channel. Her goal is only to reach out to what she considers source players, which are the souls in this reality. She understands that most will not accept her, and she is okay with that because she knows that she is not trying to reach out to the general public which consist of 99.98% soulless ones. She knows that her message is only meant to help a select few people who are the only people that are truly souls in this reality.

She is not simply telling you information about the matrix, she is also clearly outlining what you need to do according to her. The only way to find any of this out for yourself is to actually do what she tells you about. In the short term you will be taking her word for it but once you see success than you will understand what she is telling you based on more than just her word, and will have experience that will either support or not support what she says. For me, my experience has supported what she says, so I am convinced of her.

Not to say that my experience is all that I have to support her, there are many other reasons that support what she is saying in her videos and it ties in with my previous understanding of this reality.

I have watched all of her videos, and so I have understood all of her content.


If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

That is quite a jump to make. If she is right, that does not neccessarily invalidate everything else that is considered spiritual knowledge, although it does invalidate some of it, and she makes it clear that there is a good amount of spiritual knowledge that is not complete truth, according to her. But it alone does not invalidate all other spiritual knowledge.

Fair enough, last thing I will say though is you should perhaps explore the difference between Soul and Spirit.

Some Gnostic sects believed that everyone had a soul, which was a part of this material creation created by the demiurge, but there was also Spirit (the Divine Spark) which was not created by the demiurge or anyone, rather it being a little piece of the Unknowable ONE (what you are calling Source).

I wish you well on your journey, ask your Spirit to guide you and show you how to divide Truth from error, follow that Spirit and remember....

Do not confuse the finger pointing at the Moon with the Moon...

Peace

[Trisher]

Once you experience pure source, it is empty yet full of potential. It does not play games, the mind does.

Trisher

[ExomatrixTV]

In this video, the comments are disabled and she added a PAYPAL link for donations:
1uBtJ0KQtz0
Which is a TOTAL RED FLAG for me!
Look in/at her eyes if you see any compassion or love "radiating" from her! (then claiming most have "No Soul")

[sourcetruth]

In this video, the comments are disabled and she added a PAYPAL link for donations:
1uBtJ0KQtz0
Which is a TOTAL RED FLAG for me!
Look in/at her eyes if you see any compassion or love "radiating" from her! (then claiming most have "No Soul")

The reason that you perceive this as a red flag is not because there is anything actually wrong with it, it is actually because of your own bias against her and her content.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Once you experience pure source, it is empty yet full of potential. It does not play games, the mind does.

Trisher

Indeed, source is the neutral starting point of creation.

[sourcetruth]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

She has also made it clear in her videos that if you do not accept her message then you are welcome to leave her and stop watching her youtube channel. Her goal is only to reach out to what she considers source players, which are the souls in this reality. She understands that most will not accept her, and she is okay with that because she knows that she is not trying to reach out to the general public which consist of 99.98% soulless ones. She knows that her message is only meant to help a select few people who are the only people that are truly souls in this reality.

She is not simply telling you information about the matrix, she is also clearly outlining what you need to do according to her. The only way to find any of this out for yourself is to actually do what she tells you about. In the short term you will be taking her word for it but once you see success than you will understand what she is telling you based on more than just her word, and will have experience that will either support or not support what she says. For me, my experience has supported what she says, so I am convinced of her.

Not to say that my experience is all that I have to support her, there are many other reasons that support what she is saying in her videos and it ties in with my previous understanding of this reality.

I have watched all of her videos, and so I have understood all of her content.


If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

That is quite a jump to make. If she is right, that does not neccessarily invalidate everything else that is considered spiritual knowledge, although it does invalidate some of it, and she makes it clear that there is a good amount of spiritual knowledge that is not complete truth, according to her. But it alone does not invalidate all other spiritual knowledge.

Fair enough, last thing I will say though is you should perhaps explore the difference between Soul and Spirit.

Some Gnostic sects believed that everyone had a soul, which was a part of this material creation created by the demiurge, but there was also Spirit (the Divine Spark) which was not created by the demiurge or anyone, rather it being a little piece of the Unknowable ONE (what you are calling Source).

I wish you well on your journey, ask your Spirit to guide you and show you how to divide Truth from error, follow that Spirit and remember....

Do not confuse the finger pointing at the Moon with the Moon...

Peace

The way that I describe it is that the divine spark is neither the soul or spirit. The divine spark is housed within the soul. The soul is what stores the divine spark.
I would describe spirits as what you describe as what exists in everyone as a part of this material creation. It is what we would call an entity, which is powered by energy. This spirit behaves liek a soul would and exiats within everyone but does not have the divine apark of source.

[sourcetruth]

There is no way that sourcetruth is going to change his mind--why should he?
This is in spite of reasoned logical comment from others and his blatant disregard of spiritual Truth that has been accepted since time began by many.

Enlightenment is also called Godrealization for the reason that "Source" within is revealed.
So there is a very direct "communication"

Mystics sitting in caves thousands of years ago described the form of the atom. There is documented life history of Ramana Maharshi who was enlightened at the age of 16.
All will be disregarded by sourcetruth as not pointing to the Truth according to a u tube poster.

Maybe the sky is green.

We are spending too much time trying to "save" source truth from untruth.

How anyone can say that the majority of people are soul-less beggars belief.
Millions will give money anytime there is a disaster fund opened. Millions give blood.

The soul of mankind is great and loving, anyone who says other wise is in error.

Chris

sourcetruth when you quoted me you did so out of context.
I said why should he (change his mind)
I have else where pointed out that you are entitled to your opinions.
Truth is Truth unchanging.
It is untruth to say that very few here have souls.
That is limiting the creator who is omnipresent.
So if you want to disagree with The Christ-- The Buddha and a host of others too numerous to mention that is your choice and you are free to do so.
Best wishes
Chris
Ps I have also pointed out that all concepts must go.
The teacher can point from their own experience but thats not it
The Truth lies within and is available to all.
Not a few at a certain vibration.
"I am the way"
Chris

If this reality is a creation, it only makes sense to create soulless beings within it. They are part of the creation.

[greybeard]

source truth
May I ask one question?
Why did you join Avalon?

Best wishes
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

source truth
May I ask one question?
Why did you join Avalon?

Best wishes
Chris

That's quite a good question. I have another of my own.

Are you also posting about this on any other forums or blogs? (If so, which ones?)

[sourcetruth]

source truth
May I ask one question?
Why did you join Avalon?

Best wishes
Chris

I thought that this forum would be a good place to discuss spiritual topics.

[pueblo]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

She has also made it clear in her videos that if you do not accept her message then you are welcome to leave her and stop watching her youtube channel. Her goal is only to reach out to what she considers source players, which are the souls in this reality. She understands that most will not accept her, and she is okay with that because she knows that she is not trying to reach out to the general public which consist of 99.98% soulless ones. She knows that her message is only meant to help a select few people who are the only people that are truly souls in this reality.

She is not simply telling you information about the matrix, she is also clearly outlining what you need to do according to her. The only way to find any of this out for yourself is to actually do what she tells you about. In the short term you will be taking her word for it but once you see success than you will understand what she is telling you based on more than just her word, and will have experience that will either support or not support what she says. For me, my experience has supported what she says, so I am convinced of her.

Not to say that my experience is all that I have to support her, there are many other reasons that support what she is saying in her videos and it ties in with my previous understanding of this reality.

I have watched all of her videos, and so I have understood all of her content.


If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

That is quite a jump to make. If she is right, that does not neccessarily invalidate everything else that is considered spiritual knowledge, although it does invalidate some of it, and she makes it clear that there is a good amount of spiritual knowledge that is not complete truth, according to her. But it alone does not invalidate all other spiritual knowledge.

Fair enough, last thing I will say though is you should perhaps explore the difference between Soul and Spirit.

Some Gnostic sects believed that everyone had a soul, which was a part of this material creation created by the demiurge, but there was also Spirit (the Divine Spark) which was not created by the demiurge or anyone, rather it being a little piece of the Unknowable ONE (what you are calling Source).

I wish you well on your journey, ask your Spirit to guide you and show you how to divide Truth from error, follow that Spirit and remember....

Do not confuse the finger pointing at the Moon with the Moon...

Peace

The way that I describe it is that the divine spark is neither the soul or spirit. The divine spark is housed within the soul. The soul is what stores the divine spark.
I would describe spirits as what you describe as what exists in everyone as a part of this material creation. It is what we would call an entity, which is powered by energy. This spirit behaves liek a soul would and exiats within everyone but does not have the divine apark of source.

Wow, you do realise that its the complete INVERSE of what the Gnostics say? The Spirit is the Divine Spark housed within the soul yes, but EVERYBODY has a soul as it comes with a material body, not everybody has a Divine Spark (Spirit), but this does not mean they cannot become an individuated eternal being.

As your motives for posting this material here are under scrutiny this will be my last post in this thread......

I suggest you take time to reflect and look at other areas of this great forum, show your genuine interest and perhaps the discussion can be continued in a more productive manner at some stage?

[Trisher]

The matrix is a false holographic overlay suppressing and distorting the truth and our access to pure source and all potentials. There are some access points within us to source in this false overlay but they are diminishing with EMF's from technology. One access point to source is through the pure consciousness of our gut biomes which can interact with the pure consciousness of nature biomes which can be amplified in the few remaining pure energy points on Earth. If you are in this pure nature, which is EMF free and the mind is still, with the heart open, there is nothing you need to do or not do. Source will be there, with all potentials. No barriers. No games. No levels/layers. No mind. No thing is the key.

Trisher

[sourcetruth]

I think you need to re-read that reply. The explanations are clear.

Where does the Quartz Crystal woman get her "revelations" from? You said that after she had "won the matrix game" this information was revealed to her....revealed by whom/what?

Thanks

Source has revealed this information to her. She tells us this in a video.

The explanations are only making it clear what he thinks is true, but it doesn't make it clear why I am wrong. His answers are in the form of "Your statement is wrong because _____ is true" instead of "Your statement is wrong for _____ reason." He is simply restating what he believes to be true and saying this in opposition to my statements.

Ok. Here is another way to look at it. If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

She is asking us to take on FAITH as TRUTH what has been revealed to her, can you see why this might ring alarm bells for some people?

The ancients, as well as gaining knowledge from direct revelation through the Spirit, also used reason. logic and observation of the world and cosmos around them to formulate their philosophies and inform their Spiritual frameworks. She does none of that.

If something is TRUE then it has always been TRUE, and for someone to claim that they are the first/only person to have grasped the TRUTH is a claim that casually dismisses thousands of years of Spiritual searching and reasoning by humans, not to mention other people's direct revelations from Source.

I watched another one of her videos last night and tbh I didn't listen to her words, I just soaked up the energy 'impression' she was giving off and I have to agree with Star Mariner, there is a distinct lack of love (Spirit).

Remember, the best lies are a mixture of truth and error, it only takes one drop of poison to make the whole glass of water undrinkable.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

She has also made it clear in her videos that if you do not accept her message then you are welcome to leave her and stop watching her youtube channel. Her goal is only to reach out to what she considers source players, which are the souls in this reality. She understands that most will not accept her, and she is okay with that because she knows that she is not trying to reach out to the general public which consist of 99.98% soulless ones. She knows that her message is only meant to help a select few people who are the only people that are truly souls in this reality.

She is not simply telling you information about the matrix, she is also clearly outlining what you need to do according to her. The only way to find any of this out for yourself is to actually do what she tells you about. In the short term you will be taking her word for it but once you see success than you will understand what she is telling you based on more than just her word, and will have experience that will either support or not support what she says. For me, my experience has supported what she says, so I am convinced of her.

Not to say that my experience is all that I have to support her, there are many other reasons that support what she is saying in her videos and it ties in with my previous understanding of this reality.

I have watched all of her videos, and so I have understood all of her content.


If she was the first person to "win the matrix game" that means NOBODY before her in the totality of human history has achieved this feat, meaning that ALL other spiritual traditions and knowledge are WRONG and full of error.

That is quite a jump to make. If she is right, that does not neccessarily invalidate everything else that is considered spiritual knowledge, although it does invalidate some of it, and she makes it clear that there is a good amount of spiritual knowledge that is not complete truth, according to her. But it alone does not invalidate all other spiritual knowledge.

Fair enough, last thing I will say though is you should perhaps explore the difference between Soul and Spirit.

Some Gnostic sects believed that everyone had a soul, which was a part of this material creation created by the demiurge, but there was also Spirit (the Divine Spark) which was not created by the demiurge or anyone, rather it being a little piece of the Unknowable ONE (what you are calling Source).

I wish you well on your journey, ask your Spirit to guide you and show you how to divide Truth from error, follow that Spirit and remember....

Do not confuse the finger pointing at the Moon with the Moon...

Peace

The way that I describe it is that the divine spark is neither the soul or spirit. The divine spark is housed within the soul. The soul is what stores the divine spark.
I would describe spirits as what you describe as what exists in everyone as a part of this material creation. It is what we would call an entity, which is powered by energy. This spirit behaves liek a soul would and exiats within everyone but does not have the divine apark of source.

Wow, you do realise that its the complete INVERSE of what the Gnostics say? The Spirit is the Divine Spark housed within the soul yes, but EVERYBODY has a soul as it comes with a material body, not everybody has a Divine Spark (Spirit), but this does not mean they cannot become an individuated eternal being.

As your motives for posting this material here are under scrutiny this will be my last post in this thread......

I suggest you take time to reflect and look at other areas of this great forum, show your genuine interest and perhaps the discussion can be continued in a more productive manner at some stage?

Yes, I do realize that. I disagree with a variety of spiritual beliefs.

My motives for posting this material is to discusss it. There is no way to scritinize that.

I will look at the other areas of this forum and participate in those discussions.

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If you are in this pure nature, which is EMF free and the mind is still, with the heart open, there is nothing you need to do or not do. Source will be there, with all potentials. No barriers. No games. No levels/layers. No mind. No thing is the key.

Trisher

How can one be in this pure nature if they are eating meat or having orgasmss? The pure natural state is neutrality which is that of source. You must do and not do certain things to reach this state.

[ExomatrixTV]

Am NOT Jewish nor Religious (there is no monopoly on genuine spirituality, empathy & unconditional love) ... BUT ... this video explains things about "The Soul" very well:

EkUoAQC0arw

[ExomatrixTV]

The One Who Claims to "Exit The Matrix" May Well Be OFF The Matrix ... or an useful agent for it giving us the illusion we "left" following "certain arbitrary rules" ... [insert your assessment, why that could be very well the case].

Btw, this is not addressed to "SourceTruth" but anyone else studying this forum thread!

I bet "SourceTruth" will never dare to divulge "his" or her true identity for a good reason!

My name is John Kuhles for real, as it shows in my Dutch passport!

[sourcetruth]

Am NOT Jewish nor Religious (there is no monopoly on genuine spirituality, empathy & unconditional love) ... BUT ... this video explains things about "The Soul" very well:

EkUoAQC0arw

That does not explain the soul in the same way that I explain it.

[sourcetruth]

The One Who Claims to "Exit The Matrix" May Well Be OFF The Matrix ... or an useful agent for it giving us the illusion we "left" following "certain arbitrary rules" ... [insert your assessment, why that could be very well the case].

Btw, this is not addressed to "SourceTruth" but anyone else studying this forum thread!

I bet "SourceTruth" will never dare to divulge "his" or her true identity for a good reason!

My name is John Kuhles for real, as it shows in my Dutch passport!

What makes you so suspicious? These statements are motivated by your own bias against it.

I will not reveal my name, but I will reveal other aspects of my identity. I am a 17 year old male.

[Trisher]

The mind thinks you have to do or not do multiple things to achieve spiritual states (this is the illusion of the matrix). Inner Beingness, a form of compassionate detachment to all things in the matrix, is the key to source within. Source within is always present though it is covered by the matrix holograph. Beingness reveals this truth and the only way to feel this truth is through the actual experience of Source. Once experienced there are no more questions in that pure moment.
Trisher

[sourcetruth]

The mind thinks you have to do or not do multiple things to achieve spiritual states (this is the illusion of the matrix). Inner Beingness, a form of compassionate detachment to all things in the matrix, is the key to source within. Source within is always present though it is covered by the matrix holograph. Beingness reveals this truth and the only way to feel this truth is through the actual experience of Source. Once experienced there are no more questions in that pure moment.
Trisher

Well, this matrix experience is powered by the energy coming from your source fractal. There is a cost to running this matrix. You pay a cost in energy when you experience or do certain activities. It only makes sense to be wise about where you spend your energy.

The only "spiritual states" that you could acheive in this matrix are the frequency dimensional planes. These only exist in this matrix. So you must do and not do certain things to reach a certain state within this matrix.

[Arcturian108]

Quote from Star Mariner: "- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls."

Star Mariner, while I agree with almost everything you have said in your rebuttal to the Quart Crystal material, I specialize in reading souls, and I am afraid I have met a few living people who have no souls. The first time this happened was in 2001, in Australia, during a public reading, and I was completely shocked by this experience, and couldn't fathom how this young girl was functioning. But I was soon shown other cases and saw a pattern. They weren't soulless from birth, but only for a year or less in most cases. When their original soul(s) decided to leave, without committing suicide, basically, what happened next is that they became the ward of an interdimensional being on a emergency basis until some solution could be found for this anomaly. I was shown this in order to intervene and correct the situation whenever I could, and was allowed to. Being soulless greatly weakens an individual, but they can still function on a minimal level.

[vander]

I define the so called matrix trap as the wounded ego, nothing more
you can fix it
have a little faith

[sourcetruth]

I define the so called matrix trap as the wounded ego, nothing more
you can fix it
have a little faith

It goes much deeper than that. The matrix has ways of trapping source players into giving up their energy.

[sourcetruth]

Quote from Star Mariner: "- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls."

Star Mariner, while I agree with almost everything you have said in your rebuttal to the Quart Crystal material, I specialize in reading souls, and I am afraid I have met a few living people who have no souls. The first time this happened was in 2001, in Australia, during a public reading, and I was completely shocked by this experience, and couldn't fathom how this young girl was functioning. But I was soon shown other cases and saw a pattern. They weren't soulless from birth, but only for a year or less in most cases. When their original soul(s) decided to leave, without committing suicide, basically, what happened next is that they became the ward of an interdimensional being on a emergency basis until some solution could be found for this anomaly. I was shown this in order to intervene and correct the situation whenever I could, and was allowed to. Being soulless greatly weakens an individual, but they can still function on a minimal level.

The soulless ones that I am describing are not the ones that you describe. You may be describing aouless ones who have some sort of entity attached to them. This would make it clear when you read certain individuals that they are soulless, but when you read a soulless indibidual without the entity then you would not see it. Soulless ones can be gateways for interdimensional traffic involving entities,so that could be what you are reading.

The ones I am describing are soulless fron birth and includesabout 99.98 percent of tbe population, so it is much more thana few individuals as it includes the vast majority of the population.

[Trisher]

The mind thinks you have to do or not do multiple things to achieve spiritual states (this is the illusion of the matrix). Inner Beingness, a form of compassionate detachment to all things in the matrix, is the key to source within. Source within is always present though it is covered by the matrix holograph. Beingness reveals this truth and the only way to feel this truth is through the actual experience of Source. Once experienced there are no more questions in that pure moment.
Trisher

Well, this matrix experience is powered by the energy coming from your source fractal. There is a cost to running this matrix. You pay a cost in energy when you experience or do certain activities. It only makes sense to be wise about where you spend your energy.

The only "spiritual states" that you could acheive in this matrix are the frequency dimensional planes. These only exist in this matrix. So you must do and not do certain things to reach a certain state within this matrix.

You obviously have absolutely no actual experience of Source. This is my last post on this thread.
Trisher

[vander]

this realm is based on duality, do you agree with this ? for example with that is meant, Ying and Yang, good and bad, healthy and sick, rich and poor, and black and white.
on that basis, whatever is created can be destroyed, correct ?
whatever is sick can be healed,
whatever the problem is contains its solution
that's how the Universe works
there is NOTHING above your inner Kingdom of Heaven, because YOU alone create
there is no MATRIX that is "creating for you" so you don't have to and can enjoy a life in misery
the only misery is a wounded ego that is eating all and more and more negative thoughts until it is so ruined that it collapses (congratulations you have self-destruct)
THINK POSITIVE despite the "facts"
Your free will is this: you have been given free will to choose which side you want to play your part
remember just because you believe a negative thought doesn't mean you can drag others down with you so you don't have to die in your creation of misery alone
every thought you place has to be accepted FIRST by others in order that it can manifest
every thought not accepted will be thrown back to its SOURCE

[vander]

recommended read

Florence Scovel Shinn - The Game Of Life And How To Play It

[sourcetruth]

The mind thinks you have to do or not do multiple things to achieve spiritual states (this is the illusion of the matrix). Inner Beingness, a form of compassionate detachment to all things in the matrix, is the key to source within. Source within is always present though it is covered by the matrix holograph. Beingness reveals this truth and the only way to feel this truth is through the actual experience of Source. Once experienced there are no more questions in that pure moment.
Trisher

Well, this matrix experience is powered by the energy coming from your source fractal. There is a cost to running this matrix. You pay a cost in energy when you experience or do certain activities. It only makes sense to be wise about where you spend your energy.

The only "spiritual states" that you could acheive in this matrix are the frequency dimensional planes. These only exist in this matrix. So you must do and not do certain things to reach a certain state within this matrix.

You obviously have absolutely no actual experience of Source. This is my last post on this thread.
Trisher

You don't "have" an experience of source. Source is the source of all experience itself. All experiences are taking place within source. In our minds We imagine that there must be a unique state of experience that we can call experiencing source. Any experience that you think you are having OF source is really just an experience taking place WITHIN source.

[sourcetruth]

this realm is based on duality, do you agree with this ? for example with that is meant, Ying and Yang, good and bad, healthy and sick, rich and poor, and black and white.
on that basis, whatever is created can be destroyed, correct ?
whatever is sick can be healed,
whatever the problem is contains its solution
that's how the Universe works
there is NOTHING above your inner Kingdom of Heaven, because YOU alone create
there is no MATRIX that is "creating for you" so you don't have to and can enjoy a life in misery
the only misery is a wounded ego that is eating all and more and more negative thoughts until it is so ruined that it collapses (congratulations you have self-destruct)
THINK POSITIVE despite the "facts"
Your free will is this: you have been given free will to choose which side you want to play your part
remember just because you believe a negative thought doesn't mean you can drag others down with you so you don't have to die in your creation of misery alone
every thought you place has to be accepted FIRST by others in order that it can manifest
every thought not accepted will be thrown back to its SOURCE

Yes, this realm is based on duality.
The matrix is not what is creating for you, it is just the system that exists. It is you that creates for you with your state of consciousness and your energies.
Its right that you should focus on popositive thoughts, because thoughts carry a potential with them, because the one who is thinking the thoughts has the power to bring those thoughts into existence.

[vander]

I define the so called matrix trap as the wounded ego, nothing more
you can fix it
have a little faith

It goes much deeper than that. The matrix has ways of trapping source players into giving up their energy.



this realm is based on duality, do you agree with this ? for example with that is meant, Ying and Yang, good and bad, healthy and sick, rich and poor, and black and white.
on that basis, whatever is created can be destroyed, correct ?
whatever is sick can be healed,
whatever the problem is contains its solution
that's how the Universe works
there is NOTHING above your inner Kingdom of Heaven, because YOU alone create
there is no MATRIX that is "creating for you" so you don't have to and can enjoy a life in misery
the only misery is a wounded ego that is eating all and more and more negative thoughts until it is so ruined that it collapses (congratulations you have self-destruct)
THINK POSITIVE despite the "facts"
Your free will is this: you have been given free will to choose which side you want to play your part
remember just because you believe a negative thought doesn't mean you can drag others down with you so you don't have to die in your creation of misery alone
every thought you place has to be accepted FIRST by others in order that it can manifest
every thought not accepted will be thrown back to its SOURCE

Yes, this realm is based on duality.
The matrix is not what is creating for you, it is just the system that exists. It is you that creates for you with your state of consciousness and your energies.
Its right that you should focus on popositive thoughts, because thoughts carry a potential with them, because the one who is thinking the thoughts has the power to bring those thoughts into existence.

The "Matrix" doesn't exist in my reality, and I know it because I created my reality without it.

My best wishes to you and may you find inner peace and guidance on your spiritual path.
I mean it sincerely, because once I was distracted similar as you are.
Trust in yourself, you have the best of life ahead of you.

Tip: use your power of free will - you can decide what you accept as truth and so it will be.

I finish this with two things from the Bible

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Everything according to your belief.

[Bill Ryan]

@sourcetruth: Unless I missed your reply, which I don't think I did, you may have missed this question on my post #176 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1315956&viewfull=1#post1315956).

Are you also posting about this on any other forums or blogs? (If so, which ones?)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Quote from Star Mariner: "- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
Just no. For a human being to live a soul must embody it. 7 billion people equal 7 billion souls. Of course, every one of those souls are on their own journeys, with greater or lesser degrees of energy/awareness. But they are still all awareness/consciousness of some kind and at some level, and therefore souls."

Star Mariner, while I agree with almost everything you have said in your rebuttal to the Quart Crystal material, I specialize in reading souls, and I am afraid I have met a few living people who have no souls. The first time this happened was in 2001, in Australia, during a public reading, and I was completely shocked by this experience, and couldn't fathom how this young girl was functioning. But I was soon shown other cases and saw a pattern. They weren't soulless from birth, but only for a year or less in most cases. When their original soul(s) decided to leave, without committing suicide, basically, what happened next is that they became the ward of an interdimensional being on a emergency basis until some solution could be found for this anomaly. I was shown this in order to intervene and correct the situation whenever I could, and was allowed to. Being soulless greatly weakens an individual, but they can still function on a minimal level.

Thanks for that, interesting. I'm not clear on what point you intervened? If this interdimensional custodian, let's say, was already present, having taken over the moment the girl's original soul vacated, the body wasn't ever really soulless. Or did your intervention shepherd the arrival of this guardian?

Whatever the case, I don't dispute it's possible, but I would expect it to be exceptionally rare! I find it quite hard to fathom. I've always believed, vehemently, that wherever there is life there is spirit. It doesn't have to be ensoulled human consciousness either, just spirit, even if elemental in nature/quality. It could be that this girl, even without a soul, had some kind of driving spiritual force to 'animate' her being, otherwise she just wouldn't be able to live.

Vacating a healthy body as she did certainly isn't unheard of. It's an abrogation of soul contract, and it does happen (usually very early, when the child is an infant), and another soul can take over, called a 'walk-in'. But it isn't clear that that's what happened here. Very peculiar.

In another sense, you could technically find soulless bodies in nursing homes, with those in vegetative states. That's what a soulless body actually looks like, how it behaves. If 99% of us were soulless, we'd be like this. You can see their bodies breathing, and their hearts beating, but they're just a shell staring into space. There is literally nobody home. At least for the most part, because sometimes, in these cases, there are moments of clarity, a flash of recognition of a loved one -- that's evidence of the soul jumping back in, but only briefly.

There have been many studies of death and what constitutes death. As far as I'm aware there isn't a scientific consensus. But most agree, death isn't an event, but a process, and it goes through various stages, both biological and spiritual - for the latter many fascinating insights have been gained in the research of near-death experiences.

[sourcetruth]

I define the so called matrix trap as the wounded ego, nothing more
you can fix it
have a little faith

It goes much deeper than that. The matrix has ways of trapping source players into giving up their energy.



this realm is based on duality, do you agree with this ? for example with that is meant, Ying and Yang, good and bad, healthy and sick, rich and poor, and black and white.
on that basis, whatever is created can be destroyed, correct ?
whatever is sick can be healed,
whatever the problem is contains its solution
that's how the Universe works
there is NOTHING above your inner Kingdom of Heaven, because YOU alone create
there is no MATRIX that is "creating for you" so you don't have to and can enjoy a life in misery
the only misery is a wounded ego that is eating all and more and more negative thoughts until it is so ruined that it collapses (congratulations you have self-destruct)
THINK POSITIVE despite the "facts"
Your free will is this: you have been given free will to choose which side you want to play your part
remember just because you believe a negative thought doesn't mean you can drag others down with you so you don't have to die in your creation of misery alone
every thought you place has to be accepted FIRST by others in order that it can manifest
every thought not accepted will be thrown back to its SOURCE

Yes, this realm is based on duality.
The matrix is not what is creating for you, it is just the system that exists. It is you that creates for you with your state of consciousness and your energies.
Its right that you should focus on popositive thoughts, because thoughts carry a potential with them, because the one who is thinking the thoughts has the power to bring those thoughts into existence.

The "Matrix" doesn't exist in my reality, and I know it because I created my reality without it.

My best wishes to you and may you find inner peace and guidance on your spiritual path.
I mean it sincerely, because once I was distracted similar as you are.
Trust in yourself, you have the best of life ahead of you.

Tip: use your power of free will - you can decide what you accept as truth and so it will be.

I finish this with two things from the Bible

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Everything according to your belief.

The matrix is not "part" of your reality, it is what reality fundamentally can be described by.

The matrix concept is how this reality can be described, but it does not.fully embody everything about this reality, it is only a generalization.

I'm not distracted by the matrix concept, it is just a small part of my spiritual path.

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@sourcetruth: Unless I missed your reply, which I don't think I did, you may have missed this question on my post #176 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1315956&viewfull=1#post1315956).

Are you also posting about this on any other forums or blogs? (If so, which ones?)

Yes, I posted this on a spiritual forum.
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173
I like to get several different perspectivea about this topic.

[Bill Ryan]

@sourcetruth: Unless I missed your reply, which I don't think I did, you may have missed this question on my post #176 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1315956&viewfull=1#post1315956).

Are you also posting about this on any other forums or blogs? (If so, which ones?)

Yes, I posted this on a spiritual forum.
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173
I like to get several different perspectivea about this topic.~~~

Thanks! But it may reveal a little about you that despite your claimed qualifications to present and discuss spiritual matters, you're not able to tell the truth in response to a simple question.

[ExomatrixTV]

@alleged'source'truth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45640-sourcetruth) coming to Avalon [quote] "to get several different perspectives" [unquote] ... to what end?

Practicing how to dodge, evade, being entrenched, undeterred, dogmatic, humorless, and always proselytizing to others ... yes you succeed in that very well!

I wonder how many others use pendulum too, exposing the real intent of "SourceTruth" & "Quartz Crytsal" (having certain claims if true, contradicts to have a "need" for donations and disabling comments on her videos).

[ExomatrixTV]

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Do Animals Have Souls Too? (https://areyouawakening.com/life-on-earth/do-animals-have-souls-too/)

Animal Souls: A Rationale (https://do-animals-have-souls.info/animal-souls-a-rationale.html)

Do Animals Have a Soul? (Kabbalah) (https://kabbalah.com/en/ask-a-kabbalist/do-animals-have-a-soul)

22 Times Animals Proved They Have Souls (https://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/22-times-animals-proved-they-have-souls)

[vander]

I find it odd to even question it if animals have a soul - everything has a soul, everything that grows, everything with some interaction with nature MUST have a soul (I believe that even stones or crystals could have a soul because crystals grow)

[onevoice]

I find it odd to even question it if animals have a soul - everything has a soul, everything that grows, everything with some interaction with nature MUST have a soul (I believe that even stones or crystals could have a soul because crystals grow)
I have photographic proof that my cat reincarnated. I posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59486-Pet-Reincarnation&p=1314417&viewfull=1#post1314417) on on another thread that my cat had reincarnated. I'm 100% certain my old cat came back in a new body. Although only 3 months old, he remembered all the favorite things he and I used to do together. The new version now display more maturity that would be normally be expected from a 3 month old kitty; he acts more like a 3 years or older cat but with the energy and enthusiasm of a kitty. If this was any other random cat, this would be impossible. Both the old and the new cat was born feral and rescued. My wife originally rescued the old version, and a friend of our daughter rescued the new version. Both rescued happened in FL. Old Fluke entered our life in the middle of September of 2007. The new cat entered our life in the middle of September of 2019.

[vander]

I find it odd to even question it if animals have a soul - everything has a soul, everything that grows, everything with some interaction with nature MUST have a soul (I believe that even stones or crystals could have a soul because crystals grow)
I have photographic proof that my cat reincarnated. I posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59486-Pet-Reincarnation&p=1314417&viewfull=1#post1314417) on on another thread that my cat had reincarnated. I'm 100% certain my old cat came back in a new body. Although only 3 months old, he remembered all the favorite things he and I used to do together. The new version now display more maturity that would be normally be expected from a 3 month old kitty; he acts more like a 3 years or older cat but with the energy and enthusiasm of a kitty. If this was any other random cat, this would be impossible. Both the old and the new cat was born feral and rescued. My wife originally rescued the old version, and a friend of our daughter rescued the new version. Both rescued happened in FL. Old Fluke entered our life in the middle of September of 2007. The new cat entered our life in the middle of September of 2019.

that's beautiful - of course this is possible and the same goes for us humans when two people meet for the first time and they "somewhat know the other like a very good friend"
I'm happy for you, and seems cats have 7 lives after all ;)

[Franny]

Hi sourcetruth, something has been bothering me.

A few days ago you stated in a post above that your age is 17. I recalled the date of birth you put on your membership application and these two are not congruent.

Can you help me out here?

Thanks!

[greybeard]

People who join to promote one thing and dont post any where other than the thread they started dont last long here.
This is the last place to join if you have a one pointed agenda.
The mods here are on to it day one though they give the benefit of the doubt.
Chris

[MorningFox]

Wow, for a supposedly open minded, spiritual forum full of people moving towards love, light, acceptance and non judgement, there sure is a lot of hate and pettiness in here.

I think most of you need to lose the self importance, the ego, the offence taking and accept that others have different beliefs to you.

I think the main problem here is semantics. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that animals have feelings, emotion, intelligence and are part of spirit. I think what's being suggested is that they are different from what is being labelled a source player, and my own experience and knowledge confirms this. Animals do not have the opportunity to move up and out of the karmic cycle, they do not get the opportunity to cultivate, to question their existence, to become more, to cultivate life force and move on to higher worlds or dimensions, they are here to experience what they experience in this world, where as some, not all, humans are here to be given the opportunity to break free from the delusions of this world and move up slowly through the dimensions back to their true selves as creator beings.

Most of you are simply taking offence because she has said animals don't have souls. It's a poor use of language but that's not to say they aren't magical, spiritual, beautiful beings. If you're taking offence and projecting that on to others then that means you're still stuck in the world of self importance and delusion and still need to do a lot of work on yourself. I suggest saving your energy. You need it.

[greybeard]

No offence was offered only suggestions--every opportunity to give answers.
It was not just about animals not having souls--most humans dont have one was the claim.
Chris

[MorningFox]

Your ego fuels your need to defend and explain yourself. In my experience it is true, most humans do not have the capacity to reach higher levels. I guess that is what is meant by not having a soul. They are destined to live and die as a human, without becoming more. Most without even questioning whether they can become more. I do wonder why anyone cares if another says some humans don't have souls. Why does this bother people? Because you are self important and stuck in ego. Who cares? Spread love and joy, enjoy your life, don't worry about what anyone else is doing or saying. All that does is waste your power, your energy, your gong, by being attached to this world. Conserve that and live in joy.

[Bill Ryan]

Wow, for a supposedly open minded, spiritual forum full of people moving towards love, light, acceptance and non judgement, there sure is a lot of hate and pettiness in here.
Thanks! And I can truly understand your point. :highfive:

But here's what's been happening.

sourcetruth, who has said he's 17 years old (which he may or may not be), joined the forum on 10 September, started this thread on 14 September, and since then has posted on this thread 78 times in two weeks. (And nowhere else on Avalon, despite the many high-quality spiritually-oriented threads that have been running for years.)

He's thanked others just twice, and I think everyone who's been reading this thread would agree he's been proselytizing, dogmatic and humorless — also giving a very evasive answer about which other forums or blogs he's posted on.

He withheld mentioning two threads he started on the Above Top Secret forum (here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg1) and here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245231/pg1)), just before he applied to join Avalon, which he's still posting on as of a couple of days ago. That's no hanging offense! But it means he's not been totally open and honest with his audience here. And that doesn't do him any big favors.

And all this time, he's been able to use this platform to freely state or present whatever he wishes, night and day. So actually, there's been a high degree of tolerance. But push-back and critiques, yes, for sure. Some of what he claims is nonsense. I'll state that definitively.

All this is an understandable problem for other members here, who have high standards for the kind of spiritual dialog they'd hope to be interested in and learn from. As greybeard noted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1316507&viewfull=1#post1316507) just an hour ago:

People who join to promote one thing and dont post any where other than the thread they started dont last long here.
This is the last place to join if you have a one pointed agenda.
The mods here are on to it day one though they give the benefit of the doubt.If sourcetruth really is 17, he'd be smart to be willing to learn and listen a little as well as hold forth. Assuming he is that age (though I personally rather doubt it), this experience may be one of some rather uncomfortable learning for him.

And that's actually okay. We wish him no harm or ill, of course, but many of us have been there before, when our own teenage egos, all a work in progress, led us to trying to tell ourselves and others that we'd figured out all the most complex questions in the universe before we were old enough to vote.

:flower:

[MorningFox]

If you don't agree with what the kid says, don't reply. Why take this forum so seriously? He's not hurting anyone. The truth for one might not be the truth for another.

Bill Ryan, to say that you can definitively state that some of what he says is nonsense, is nonsense. Not to mention rather pompous.

:)

[Bill Ryan]

If you don't agree with what the kid says, don't reply. Why take this forum so seriously? He's not hurting anyone. The truth for one might not be the truth for another.

Bill Ryan, to say that you can definitively state that some of what he says is nonsense, is nonsense.

:):) (laughing!)

But — to state (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1314078&viewfull=1#post1314078) that only 1 in 5,000 humans on Planet Earth have souls IS nonsense. I'll debate that till the cows come home! And much longer than that, too. I'm 100.00% certain that's ridiculous.

That in itself implies that the odds of you and me both having souls is mathematically highly improbable. (I'm sure I have one. I'm sure you have one, too. Or to be more precise, I'm sure you ARE a soul, and I'm sure I am, as well.)

But I've not posted much on this thread, either. It's not been worth it. There's zero evidence that sourcetruth wants to hear anything anyone else has to say. Therefore, there's no conversation, and almost nothing of worth to be gained by anyone.

And it's definitely not all that much fun, and (in my personal opinion) not very valuable. The dialog I'm enjoying with you here is far more interesting! If you were right here, I'd happily buy you a coffee or a beer, and we'd probably have really quite a good time.
:happy dog:

[MorningFox]

I'm sure we'd get on just fine, Bill. Apologies if I implied any different. I haven't been here in a while and I haven't read the whole thread. I like to play devil's advocate and offer a new perspective. I can feel myself being dragged in to this though and that's not beneficial for anyone so I shall butt out again. Just remember that this world isn't as solid and defined as we often may think it is and the truth for one might not be truth for another.

It's also quite possible that this place would only attract those with souls, questioning the world they find themselves in. Personally I think it's a poor choice of language. What some people call spirit, some people call soul. In my experience there is more than one interpretation for both. We are a collection of many different forms of consciousnesses that make up a whole that we call 'I' - in my experience, of course.

Best wishes to all! Not least the kid that may well be 56 :)

[greybeard]

Most who posted on the thread had a genuine concern for him.
It looked like he was being led into a semi cult situation.
This why we did not ignore him--that would have been lacking in compassion.
Most pointed that we had been down dead ends in the early days of search.
Certainly to begin with I though he was genuine but miss-lead by the channel
I advised that he should look at the many and varied posts by this community--everything that could be done to accommodate him.
Chris

[Sue (Ayt)]

I've learned over the years that I fare well when I trust my "still small voice", whether it be from body, intellect, spirit, or a combo thereof. And my still small voice is saying "Danger Will Robinson!" about this thread, for whatever reason. haha.
BTW - he has also posted the same thread here (https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4134490/pg1).
Spirituality does NOT demand that all thoughts must be accepted unequivocally.

[sourcetruth]

Wow, for a supposedly open minded, spiritual forum full of people moving towards love, light, acceptance and non judgement, there sure is a lot of hate and pettiness in here.

I think most of you need to lose the self importance, the ego, the offence taking and accept that others have different beliefs to you.

I think the main problem here is semantics. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that animals have feelings, emotion, intelligence and are part of spirit. I think what's being suggested is that they are different from what is being labelled a source player, and my own experience and knowledge confirms this. Animals do not have the opportunity to move up and out of the karmic cycle, they do not get the opportunity to cultivate, to question their existence, to become more, to cultivate life force and move on to higher worlds or dimensions, they are here to experience what they experience in this world, where as some, not all, humans are here to be given the opportunity to break free from the delusions of this world and move up slowly through the dimensions back to their true selves as creator beings.

Most of you are simply taking offence because she has said animals don't have souls. It's a poor use of language but that's not to say they aren't magical, spiritual, beautiful beings. If you're taking offence and projecting that on to others then that means you're still stuck in the world of self importance and delusion and still need to do a lot of work on yourself. I suggest saving your energy. You need it.

This is exactly right. They are reacting out of ego and not reason.


Your posts on this thread have made very good points.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi sourcetruth, something has been bothering me.

A few days ago you stated in a post above that your age is 17. I recalled the date of birth you put on your membership application and these two are not congruent.

Can you help me out here?

Thanks!

What it said in my application is that I was born in 2000. This would have made me 19. If I was 17 that means I was born in 2002.
Although this is a two year discrepancy, it is still small.
This is a small discrepancy, so I do not understand why you would be bringing this up. This seems like another attempt at throwing shade at me.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


@alleged'source'truth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45640-sourcetruth) coming to Avalon [quote] "to get several different perspectives" [unquote] ... to what end?

Practicing how to dodge, evade, being entrenched, undeterred, dogmatic, humorless, and always proselytizing to others ... yes you succeed in that very well!

I wonder how many others use pendulum too, exposing the real intent of "SourceTruth" & "Quartz Crytsal" (having certain claims if true, contradicts to have a "need" for donations and disabling comments on her videos).


I could say that others are also "dodging, evading, entrenched, undetered, dogmati" in their own way, by their reactions to this information. You are only telling me this because of your bias against this information.

I have used a pendulum and I have discovered that it validates everything that the channel has claimed to be true.


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Do Animals Have Souls Too? (https://areyouawakening.com/life-on-earth/do-animals-have-souls-too/)

Animal Souls: A Rationale (https://do-animals-have-souls.info/animal-souls-a-rationale.html)

Do Animals Have a Soul? (Kabbalah) (https://kabbalah.com/en/ask-a-kabbalist/do-animals-have-a-soul)

22 Times Animals Proved They Have Souls (https://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/22-times-animals-proved-they-have-souls)

Can you explain why you think animals have souls? If you are so sure of this then you must be able to explain why you think this.

There is the alternate possibility that animals do not have souls. Why do you not think this is true?

[sourcetruth]

I find it odd to even question it if animals have a soul - everything has a soul, everything that grows, everything with some interaction with nature MUST have a soul (I believe that even stones or crystals could have a soul because crystals grow)

There are many spiritual concepts that must be questioned, including the notion that all people have souls. This idea that animals have souls does not stand up to scrutiny when we consider that the soul is eternal.

There is no reason that it "must" have a soul, this is an illusion. There is something that is taking the place of the soul as the animator of that body. That something is an entity that is powered by energy as part of a matrix script.

[sourcetruth]

If you don't agree with what the kid says, don't reply. Why take this forum so seriously? He's not hurting anyone. The truth for one might not be the truth for another.

Bill Ryan, to say that you can definitively state that some of what he says is nonsense, is nonsense.

:):) (laughing!)

But — to state (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1314078&viewfull=1#post1314078) that only 1 in 5,000 humans on Planet Earth have souls IS nonsense. I'll debate that till the cows come home! And much longer than that, too. I'm 100.00% certain that's ridiculous.

That in itself implies that the odds of you and me both having souls is mathematically highly improbable. (I'm sure I have one. I'm sure you have one, too. Or to be more precise, I'm sure you ARE a soul, and I'm sure I am, as well.)

But I've not posted much on this thread, either. It's not been worth it. There's zero evidence that sourcetruth wants to hear anything anyone else has to say. Therefore, there's no conversation, and almost nothing of worth to be gained by anyone.

And it's definitely not all that much fun, and (in my personal opinion) not very valuable. The dialog I'm enjoying with you here is far more interesting! If you were right here, I'd happily buy you a coffee or a beer, and we'd probably have really quite a good time.
:happy dog:

It is actually the opposite, that there are others who are not willing to listen to what I have to say. Not that everyone on this thread has been this way, but a number of others have.

I am not the one making the 1 in 5000 claim, but I want to discuss it.
Apparently there used to be much more source players, but they got captured after they lost all of their reserve energy. This is claimed to be 525 million. There could have been more but too many have failed.

[ExomatrixTV]

sourcetruth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45640-sourcetruth) exposing him (or her)self how he(or she) replies thinking that "reverse psychology trickery" works on us, ... not.

[Strat]

I have used a pendulum and I have discovered that it validates everything that the channel has claimed to be true.


I have used common sense and it says the opposite.

Joking aside as others have said, the burden of proof is on you. What you're saying is really out there in the opinion of most people. You really need to bring something to the table for us to believe what you're saying. You're essentially saying 'trust me'.

That doesn't fly anywhere in life. Ever watch that show Pawn Stars? If Rick Harrison trusted everyone then he'd have to shell out lots of money to everyone because he'd have to trust everyone when they say the objects they are trying to sell are worth lots of money. You're trying to sell us on an idea that is just too far out there.

It's okay to believe what you wish but don't try and twist our arms into believing whatever it is that you want us to believe.

[sourcetruth]

sourcetruth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45640-sourcetruth) exposing him (or her)self how he(or she) replies thinking that "reverse psychology" works on us, ... not.

This only shows how unwilling you are to consider anything that I say. When I said that there were people that did not consider what I was saying I. had you in mind.

[sourcetruth]

I have used a pendulum and I have discovered that it validates everything that the channel has claimed to be true.


I have used common sense and it says the opposite.

Joking aside as others have said, the burden of proof is on you. What you're saying is really out there in the opinion of most people. You really need to bring something to the table for us to believe what you're saying. You're essentially saying 'trust me'.

That doesn't fly anywhere in life. Ever watch that show Pawn Stars? If Rick Harrison trusted everyone then he'd have to shell out lots of money to everyone because he'd have to trust everyone when they say the objects they are trying to sell are worth lots of money. You're trying to sell us on an idea that is just too far out there.

It's okay to believe what you wish but don't try and twist our arms into believing whatever it is that you want us to believe.

There is a form of proof that I have towards proving the statement that we live in a matrix with scripted events.

I would have to go deep into this topic to explain all the information about this, but it is generally about synchronicity occoring with codes. This involves a lot of number codes that manifest into our reality that relate to many aspects of it, such as events.

I could make an entire thread on this topic, but I want to bring it up. I will provide some links to vive you examples and resources to further explore this topic.

http://gematrinator.com/index.php
http://freetofindtruth.blogspot.com/?m=1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8WXhNrMUd1y44nNO46-WgQ

Here are some videos which demonstrate number codes, these are examples of this phenomena.

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However, I did not open this thread to prove this, but to discuss what was presented. We can certainly discuss proof for these concepts though.

As for the concepts about frequency and energy, these would only be true for source players. If a source player wants to verify this then they could try it. But, I can also explain to you why I think that this is true for source players.
The concepts of energy do make sense when you consider other concepts. When you consided one of these concepts you can start to see how this logically connects to other concepts, and how all of these different concepts connect with one another.

[Billy]

What it said in my application is that I was born in 2000. This would have made me 19. If I was 17 that means I was born in 2002.
Although this is a two year discrepancy, it is still small.
This is a small discrepancy, so I do not understand why you would be bringing this up. This seems like another attempt at throwing shade at me.[COLOR="red"]

Sourcetruth. Most people remember how old they are unless they are suffering from Alzheimer's.
I do not think you have Alzheimer's therefore your small discrepancy as you call it is in fact a lie.
You were older before you were younger according to what you have stated so far on this forum.

First you said you were born in the very early in year 2000.
You actually stated you were 18 which is an obvious miscalculation.
Then you said in the post in here that you were 17 yrs old.
And now you say you are 19 yrs old.
Which one is it sourcetruth ?
I think none of them are true.

This shows that you have the capability to not be open and honest when stating a truth.
When someone is spinning a story they can easily forget what lies they have made up along the way. This also shows me that you are not living your life on any higher frequencies than some others as you have stated in here many times.

When someone speaks the truth, their story never changes because they know and remember what is true to them.

Small discrepancies can be very revealing source?????.

[sourcetruth]

Most who posted on the thread had a genuine concern for him.
It looked like he was being led into a semi cult situation.
This why we did not ignore him--that would have been lacking in compassion.
Most pointed that we had been down dead ends in the early days of search.
Certainly to begin with I though he was genuine but miss-lead by the channel
I advised that he should look at the many and varied posts by this community--everything that could be done to accommodate him.
Chris

What is so bad about any of this that you have to compare it to a semi-cult?

It ia noot me that has been misled by the channel, it is me that has been mislead by the matrix. The matrix has misled source players in many ways by giving them falae spiritual knowledge.

I am the one who is concerned about other source players, becausee they have been failing.

I have been searching for a while before I found these videos, and these videos have provided me with many answers.

I am not the only person who watches those videos. These videosare by another channel that were made from a person who watched Quartz Crystals videos. This is actually the person who I saw first that led me to Quartz Crystals channel.
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These are reuploads of this channels videos, called Matrix Hacker: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1sQoGdn44aUYWOBSWcxqQ

[sourcetruth]

What it said in my application is that I was born in 2000. This would have made me 19. If I was 17 that means I was born in 2002.
Although this is a two year discrepancy, it is still small.
This is a small discrepancy, so I do not understand why you would be bringing this up. This seems like another attempt at throwing shade at me.[COLOR="red"]

Sourcetruth. Most people remember how old they are unless they are suffering from Alzheimer's.
I do not think you have Alzheimer's therefore your small discrepancy as you call it is in fact a lie.
You were older before you were younger according to what you have stated so far on this forum.

First you said you were born in the very early in year 2000.
You actually stated you were 18 which is an obvious miscalculation.
Then you said in the post in here that you were 17 yrs old.
And now you say you are 19 yrs old.
Which one is it sourcetruth ?
I think none of them are true.

This shows that you have the capability to not be open and honest when stating a truth.
When someone is spinning a story they can easily forget what lies they have made up along the way. This also shows me that you are not living your life on any higher frequencies than some others as you have stated in here many times.

When someone speaks the truth, their story never changes because they know and remember what is true to them.

Small discrepancies can be very revealing source?????.

I am not saying that I am 19 years old, I said that I put that in my registration to this website that I was born in 200. Both on this thread and on ATS I have repeatedly stated that I am 17. I had no reason to even state my age at all, if I was "making this up" I wouldn't even want to say my age on a forum at all. The only discrepancy is when I registered and I put a date, there is no discrepancy in any of my actual claims on forums.

If I were to make up my date, I have no reason to state I am 17, and it could even work against me to state this. If I were to make up my age I would at least say that I am older as if I had life experience.

Small discrepancies can be for any number of reasons, they don't just have to fit the reason that supports suspicion directed at me


Why are you all so suspicious of me? Why are you throwing so much shade at me? This is perhaps your way of trying to discredit me and everything I have been talking about. I am clearly not making up anything that I say, I have showed clearly in my OP where I have gotten this information from. This effort to throw shade at me is motivated by wanting to discredit my thread.

[greybeard]

Cult members are unaware that they are being mislead.
They believe that who ever they follow is the purveyor of ultimate truth.
They are obsessed with the "word" and have difficulty in talking about anything else.
They cannot accept that there are flaws in what they have been told.

Now when I started the spiritual quest 40 years ago my beliefs were radically different--I had little discernment.
I studied every day--I had tremendous enthusiasm and a "Look at what Ive found" attitude.
I still get "energised" every day by accepted spiritual masters works.
Ramana Maharshi for one.
The Ultimate Truth is "Only Source is" and I am That.
All else is an illusion --Maya.
Ramana said--"Neither creation nor dissolution".
Thats it after years of meditation an study.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Malisa, who has just applied to become an Avalon member, posted this on sourcetruth's thread at Above Top Secret (which he thought he shouldn't tell us about, but it was easy to find.) We warmly welcome her here when she arrives. :)


http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg14#pid24661059

~~~



So, back to Barbara,

Are you finally going to accept that Barbara G. Sandlin is Judy, and that Judy is a fake name taken from the original Quartz Crystal lady, Judy Hall?

Or are you still going to say "you don't know whachatalkingabout!"

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/zw5d9417c1.png

And isn't it a bit cowardish that you waited and waited and waited until someone else posted something on Avalon that allowed you to piggy back and get yourself out of the hole you got yourself into with your lies?

Why haven't you replied to Mr Bill Ryan?

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/zl5d9413aa.png

Avalon post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1316519&viewfull=1#post1316519)

Cat eat your tongue? You were too busy in the bathroom for days and didn't notice?

So lame dude

P.S. How did you do with the September challenge? Are you back into your old ways once the challenge is completed?

If sex is forbidden in your religion, and you are not a soulless one and neither is your mom , then your dad is, right? Since the only other person you know with a soul is your mom, then your mom had sex with a soulless being and you came out of that, you are a halfbreed

If you were a girl, would your dad be the one with a soul? : )

[PurpleLama]

Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

[sourcetruth]

Malisa, who has just applied to become an Avalon member, posted this on sourcetruth's thread at Above Top Secret (which he thought he shouldn't tell us about, but it was easy to find.) We warmly welcome her here when she arrives. :)


http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg14#pid24661059

~~~



So, back to Barbara,

Are you finally going to accept that Barbara G. Sandlin is Judy, and that Judy is a fake name taken from the original Quartz Crystal lady, Judy Hall?

Or are you still going to say "you don't know whachatalkingabout!"

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/zw5d9417c1.png

And isn't it a bit cowardish that you waited and waited and waited until someone else posted something on Avalon that allowed you to piggy back and get yourself out of the hole you got yourself into with your lies?

Why haven't you replied to Mr Bill Ryan?

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/zl5d9413aa.png

Avalon post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1316519&viewfull=1#post1316519)

Cat eat your tongue? You were too busy in the bathroom for days and didn't notice?

So lame dude

P.S. How did you do with the September challenge? Are you back into your old ways once the challenge is completed?

If sex is forbidden in your religion, and you are not a soulless one and neither is your mom , then your dad is, right? Since the only other person you know with a soul is your mom, then your mom had sex with a soulless being and you came out of that, you are a halfbreed

If you were a girl, would your dad be the one with a soul? : )

You are going to repost her nonsensical replies here?

Her replies are about nothing but attacking me and the channel. She can't actually present any criticism of the topics presented because she has no logic behind her opposition, her opposition to me is based in her ignorance and bias.

She has been making up conspiracy theories about this channel, that she tries to prove with very illegitimate connections.

[sourcetruth]

Cult members are unaware that they are being mislead.
They believe that who ever they follow is the purveyor of ultimate truth.
They are obsessed with the "word" and have difficulty in talking about anything else.
They cannot accept that there are flaws in what they have been told.

Now when I started the spiritual quest 40 years ago my beliefs were radically different--I had little discernment.
I studied every day--I had tremendous enthusiasm and a "Look at what Ive found" attitude.
I still get "energised" every day by accepted spiritual masters works.
Ramana Maharshi for one.
The Ultimate Truth is "Only Source is" and I am That.
All else is an illusion --Maya.
Ramana said--"Neither creation nor dissolution".
Thats it after years of meditation an study.

Chris

Flaws? You have not presented any adequate flaws.

Mislead? Mislead to where? You have not explained which statements that I discussed in my OP are misleading. You have not explained what way that this is misleading or where this is trying to mislead to.

You say that you have spiritual knowledge, but you have not explained how you can relate your spiritual knowledge to the statements that I described in my OP. You could explain how your spiritual knowledge agrees with and/or conflicts with certain statements presented in my OP.

[sourcetruth]

The group mentality on this thread is very apparent. Some of the concepts presented challenge widely held views, which is why there is so much opposition to them. An example of this is the concept that animals and most people don't have a soul.

[greybeard]

The group mentality on this thread is very apparent. Some of the concepts presented challenge widely held views, which is why there is so much opposition to them. An example of this is the concept that animals and most people don't have a soul.

Ha Ha.
Quite a few members in Avalon would politely disagree with non-duality which is my path.

Question
Do you believe that Source is Omni present?
If so
Then there is no where that source is absent.
That is where what you post is deeply flawed.
Animals have souls--
If you have ever had a pet dog then you will know what love is.
The energy called love shines out of their eyes.

I could go on but its pointless.
If you cant accept what is in this post to be true then you are not open minded enough to debate.

A flaw is that you disregard the teachings of the many enlightened to claim that one teacher that you quote and only one is correct.

Have you actually examine the teachings of Eckhart Tolle--Mooji--Adyashanti but to name three Western Teachers?
They have the energy and language of Truth.
Chris

[PurpleLama]

Cult members are unaware that they are being mislead.
They believe that who ever they follow is the purveyor of ultimate truth.
They are obsessed with the "word" and have difficulty in talking about anything else.
They cannot accept that there are flaws in what they have been told.

Now when I started the spiritual quest 40 years ago my beliefs were radically different--I had little discernment.
I studied every day--I had tremendous enthusiasm and a "Look at what Ive found" attitude.
I still get "energised" every day by accepted spiritual masters works.
Ramana Maharshi for one.
The Ultimate Truth is "Only Source is" and I am That.
All else is an illusion --Maya.
Ramana said--"Neither creation nor dissolution".
Thats it after years of meditation an study.

Chris

Flaws? You have not presented any adequate flaws.

Mislead? Mislead to where? You have not explained which statements that I discussed in my OP are misleading. You have not explained what way that this is misleading or where this is trying to mislead to.

You say that you have spiritual knowledge, but you have not explained how you can relate your spiritual knowledge to the statements that I described in my OP. You could explain how your spiritual knowledge agrees with and/or conflicts with certain statements presented in my OP.

Or, here is a better idea, you could try reading some posts elsewhere on this forum, and try seeing where your own contributions may fit. The burden is on you, as there are literally thousands upon thousands of pages on this forum where you can easily find where any one of us might be coming from. I would not suggest you read them all, but maybe put in enough effort to get an idea.

Whether or not you are Barbara matters not to me, but it is a fact that you are spamming at least 3 forums with this OP, and you are not being well received anywhere that I can see. Some of this is due to your approach, which could be a little more open and less aggressive. But, and it is a very big but, some of it is certainly due to the material you are pointing at being obviously amateurish and very scam-like by its nature and presentation.

Many of the people you are attempting to engage have been interested in studying spiritual topics, popular, ancient, or otherwise, for more years than you have been alive, given that one of your ages is actually true. I personally tend to believe that you could well be somewhere between 17 to 19 years old, as you do seem to be quite immature when your ideas are not immediately accepted.

I do hope the staff decides what to do about this sooner rather than later.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Mashika]

The group mentality on this thread is very apparent. Some of the concepts presented challenge widely held views, which is why there is so much opposition to them. An example of this is the concept that animals and most people don't have a soul.

I have been very clear through all our conversations on ATS and you seem to be very hard to reach behind your defensive 'SourceTruth' wall

So let me explain this again

As long as you keep calling me ignorant and soulless just because i posed challenges to your cult, you will never have any respect from me. And i believe the same applies to anyone you have insulted the moment they didn't accept you as their new religious leader and accepted your so called knowledge

I will question you here again but i don't plan to wait for any answers, i came to this forum because i wanted to post on other threads, i just want to address this one time before moving on

Answer the following please

1. If you were born from a soulless family, and you consider your mom to be the only person with a soul, that means your mother had sex with a soulless person and you were born out of that, so you can't be a 'source player' if you are basically born out of a soulless person. How can a soul person be born out of a soulless one?
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?
3. Please explain how Barbara Sandlin's concepts are different than Dolores Cannon, do so in detail, i already pointed out this and you went from "nothing related" to "same concepts but 'Judy' is better" to again denying it all
4. Explain how the Manitou concept fails to explain how everyone/everything has a soul. Since it seems to void your 'only some people have souls' concept. So far you failed to answer or even try to answer my question, and this is another change for you to ignore it
5. You denied Judy was Barbara Sandlin, even though Judy's own channel shows her name by mistake and there's a twitter account that links both, and you called me and other people ignorant because of pointing it out, why did you get angry and denied it, with all the proof being available?
6. Why is there a patreon asking for 25 dollars per month plus another 25 'one time' donation before you can ask any questions or watch any videos? When i pointed out that the videos they are charging for are fully visible on youtube for free you got very angry and called me names. Why are you so angry? I just made fun that whoever is in charge of Yudy's social media doesn't understand how youtube and the internet works
7. You say you are not promoting the channel, but you have posted about 20 times in Reddit, Avalon, ATS and several other sites and blogs the exact same OP with that giant ad and list of points, plus the "over 400 videos" line, when questioned you complain that people are not watching the videos but instead asking why are you spamming so much. It's a copy&paste job on every single site, so how is that not promoting or spamming?
8. You refuse to answer any question that is not directly related to learning about your cult, why?

This is getting very long and very honestly, quite boring, so i'll end it now

At some point i asked you something that would prove you have some actual background or kind of understanding/wisdom of the world

After two full days and me requesting the answer multiple times, you replied with "Flowers grow in all sorts of places"

The question was

"There's a flower growing in the middle of a road, why?"


And here'ss the answer

Because it is not growing anywhere else

I do believe you won't understand what this means :) But you are free to try interpreting it anyway you like

It only bothers me that, as other things i suggested like accepting other perspectives, talking more like a real human, not insulting people among others, you will use this to mislead people in other places later on

At least you listened when i told you not to insult people here with your usual "You are ignorant and soulles because you don't know anything about SourceTruth" as you have called me so many times

:heart:

[vander]

sourcetruth

I suggest a small experiment

all the top scientists in the world know the composition of almost all organic lifeforms

why then can't they make a single creature then that lives, procreates etc. ?

what's missing here ?

where could they find that missing ingredient needed to make something live and think and be creative and decide over good and bad, dream, make music, paint, etc. ?

is it in your head ?

only answer the last question please and give a short explanation

it's not a trick question

[George]

Hello Avalon

This is my first post on this forum. I have been reading here for several years before becoming a member. This is easily the site I visit most on the entire internet. I come here in the evening after an eventful day to learn and, frankly, also to be entertained. This thread is a great example for both!

The subject of living in a matrix/projection is one that moves me for a long time. I like to believe that I have been a seeker since my early childhood and it has been a long way (as I am over 60 years old by now). Whenever this subject comes up on Avalon - it will get my immediate attention.

No matter of who sourcetruth really is and whether he has been truthful about his background - he has brought out so many interesting comments and so much wisdom from you all.

I don’t know how much of it (if anything) will be accepted by sourcetruth - but I wanted to point out that I truly enjoyed the discussion and learned a lot, not only about the subject but also about yourselves. There were many pointers given in form of youtube clips and even a great book recommendation that I intend to follow up on.

[sourcetruth]

I was going to wait to respond until I fully typed out all of my responses to all of the above, but now I just have to comment on this.

This was moved to "known hoaxes and bad information" as if to mock me. It us unbelievable that someone like an administrator would mock me like this.
The only reason that this was ddone was because all of the opposition I have recieved. Everyone is grouping against me on this thread, which is why this is being done. It is completely unfair to do this.

[greybeard]

Masika welcome to Avalon
Re your question
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?

Which religion is this?

Chris

[sourcetruth]

Have any of you ever seen this much opposition against a single person on an internet forum? It is ridiculous how much opposition there is and how I am being grouped up on. Have you ever seen someone getting grouped up on to this level?

Not one thanks is being given to me and yet the opposition is getting around 5-10 thanks. This is because they are all grouping against me and supporting each other in their opposition. It is unbelievable how united the opposition is against me, and even the staff is in on it.

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Masika welcome to Avalon
Re your question
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?

Which religion is this?

Chris

She is mocking me by refering to this as a religion.

I do not have any associations with any religion, just to be clear.

[Bill Ryan]

I do hope the staff decides what to do about this sooner rather than later.

I've made the call to move this to the Known Hoaxes and Other Bad Information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?160-Known-Hoaxes-and-Other-Bad-Information) section. Here's the conversation in the mods running text chat just now, which may be instructive. Three other mods were there, and I redacted their names just to be polite. :) But of course, they may well post here themselves to say something if they want to.

~~~

Mod 1
Re sourcetruth - PurpleLama has posted this on the Quartz Crystal thread, and, specifically:
"I do hope the staff decides what to do about this sooner rather than later." (Post is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1316654&viewfull=1#post1316654))
My view is that sourcetruth is indeed quite young, a little immature and credulous, which is of course forgivable. He lacks discernment at such a young age. Rather than taking drastic action of any sort I'd propose that we continue to do, as suggested before, to watch, and (possibly) kindly step in if it looks like they're getting themselves into (even more of) a pickle.

Bill
Well, I've made several quite strong critiques in my posts over the last few days. He's actually acquitted himself quite badly. He's bright enough to be articulate but dumb enough to be arrogant, dogmatic and unwise.
I wrote here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1316515&viewfull=1#post1316515): (extracted)

"If sourcetruth really is 17, he'd be smart to be willing to learn and listen a little as well as hold forth. Assuming he is that age (though I personally rather doubt it), this experience may be one of some rather uncomfortable learning for him.
And that's actually okay. We wish him no harm or ill, of course, but many of us have been there before, when our own teenage egos, all a work in progress, led us to trying to tell ourselves and others that we'd figured out all the most complex questions in the universe before we were old enough to vote."
Actually, I think many on the thread may feel that the mods should 'do' something. (And maybe we should.)
But we've shown a lot of tolerance, as I also pointed out in the same post. [Mod 3] said they felt it should be moved into "Hoaxes and other Bad Information". I nearly did that a week ago, but held off. It's not a hoax, but it's very bad information. Saying that only 1 in 5000 humans have a soul is even worse than the Flat Earth.

Mod 1
Tell me about it!! It's absolute BS, and dangerous to espouse.

Bill
I mean, the 'Flat Earth' is just a silly concept that's kind of harmless. Saying that "you, the reader, may not have a soul" is the ultimate personal false degradation.

Mod 1
Okay: I'd not object to it being moved over there, with a disclaimer that it is bad information.

Bill
Yes. Not a 'hoax'. In fact, this conversation here has pretty much made up my mind. It's harmful.

Mod 1
Big time harmful.

Bill
Yep.

Mod 2
I am fine for it to go into Bad Information. It is bad information.

Mod 3
Yes, not a hoax but exceedingly bad information!

[sourcetruth]

You know what, although I don't appreciate the mockery of putting my thread in this section of the forum, I will deal with it. I can still deal with this thread being moved here although I disagree with it.

[Mashika]

Not really, it was moved there because you probably have only posted spam and not gone into detail on anything else

There were questions you ignored and only replied to the easy ones that allowed you to move forward, plus you have displayed a basic lack of respect for everyone as usual, unless they treat you like a higher being

You earned it Source kun

You must reply anyway, don't take that set back as an excuse once again. But do as you must

[Mashika]

Masika welcome to Avalon
Re your question
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?

Which religion is this?

Chris

Hi, thanks for your question,

They are trying for a religion based on concepts created by Dolores Cannon, who passed away October 18, 2014, they have taken concepts written by her and completely twisted them into a forced cult that basically kills your spirit

Like so:

1. You can't have sex
2. Don't eat meat
3. Don't interact with people normally, don't smile or participate on normal human stuff, you have to be "balanced" (by balanced they mean you must not enjoy anything people would consider normal, you are basically dull all the time, no emotions on either side)
4. Animals and most people are soulless, only those in the known can 'see' each other
5. People with souls can change the current reality around them at will

They, and i mean Barbara G. Sandlin and other people who are keeping theirs identities hidden so far except a few, have created a sort of religion that talks about how this is the last life the experience on this earth and how then once they died the will 'wake' up from the matrix ilussion

The entire cult is based on that and some other stolen work.

They also require people to pay 25 dollars a month or they get expelled and have no right to salvation (in a way) or any contact with anyone else in the group. But if you are inside the group you are told your family is soulless and you must get away from them because they will drag you down. You must only listen to Barbara Sadlin aka Judy and if you don't then you get expelled as well

Every video is "locked" and costs 25 dollars to unlock, if you want to ask a question you need to pay as well. If you stop the monthly payments then you are considered soulless and rejected

This group formed in 2016 and there have been reports about them for years, but it was a small group so it mostly went unnoticed

http://www.oom2.com/t43156-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations

I had a bit more info about this but i made the mistake of posting a single reply on ATS and it got removed, i never made a back of what i had :/

I'm trying not to get even more involved into this but some times it's just impossible to watch without speaking up

Edited to add:

Dolores Cannon has nothing to do, and had nothing to do at all with SourceTruth, she just was the victim in all this. She wrote a few books from where this cult got their roots, but she was in no way involved. I was in contact with her daughter and they are ok with just letting people be, they don't want to trouble themselves with all this stuff

4Gc1mGdoHRg

I made a post on ATS linking all the videos that show how it all links back to Ms Dolores's work but i could not find it right now, sorry

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Trisher]

Ha Ha.
Quite a few members in Avalon would politely disagree with non-duality which is my path.

sourcetruth.
See the above quote from Greybeard. People constantly politely disagree with the spiritual paths of others. This is their choice and their freedom to do so. It does not mean that everyone gets offended if someone does not agree with their spiritual path. This is simply because most spiritual paths do not strengthen the ego and the identity but rather undo the ego. They do not divide but unite. Somehow you are offended when people do not agree with the path you are following. You take this very personally. If you want to apply those rules to your life please feel free. People on this forum have shown you respect and consideration but it has not been reciprocated. You have not taken on board that others have gone far deeper into spirituality through experiencing and not by watching videos and listening to concepts. The Buddha rubs his belly and laughs in many statues and images. He embodies the realisation that the illusion of this reality crumbles when completely seen through and leaves us falling about laughing at our own antics.

I wish you "falling about laughing"

Trisher

[Hervé]

10 Signs You’re Probably In A Cult (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf/10-signs-youre-probably-in-a-cult-1921eb5a3857)

By Sam & Tanner (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf?source=post_page-----1921eb5a3857----------------------)
Jun 18, 2018 (https://medium.com/@zelphontheshelf/10-signs-youre-probably-in-a-cult-1921eb5a3857?source=post_page-----1921eb5a3857----------------------)


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Cults aren’t as easy to spot as you might think. Most cults don’t wear robes or live in communes. In fact, most cult members don’t even realize they’re in a cult.

During my 25 years as an unwitting cult member, I would often watch documentaries and read about other cults. As I researched, I noticed 10 specific patterns that helped me recognize that I myself was in a cult:

1. The leader is the ultimate authority
If you’re not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults begin with a charismatic leader who claims some supreme knowledge. They may call themselves a prophet, messiah, messenger, or an enlightened teacher. They can also be CEOs, military officials, politicians, and self-help gurus.

Cult leaders convince members to forfeit their critical thinking ability in return for a sense of belonging, authority, and purpose. To members, it doesn’t matter what the evidence or logic may suggest, the leader is always right, and their misdeeds are always justified. Criticism of the leader is forbidden.

2. The group suppresses skepticism
If you’re only allowed to study your organization through approved sources, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults view critical thinking as an infectious disease and every effort is made to suppress it. Doubting members are encouraged to isolate themselves from outside influences and focus solely on the doctrine of the cult.

Criticism is forbidden. People who contradict the group are viewed as persecutors and are often given labels like “anti,” “apostate,” or “suppressive person.” Members are discouraged from consuming any material that is critical of the group.

3. The group delegitimizes former members
If you can’t think of a legitimate reason for leaving your group, you’re probably in a cult.

Because the cult considers itself the ultimate authority on truth, it can’t imagine anybody leaving it with their integrity intact. Thus, it has to perpetuate a false narrative that former members were deceived, proud, immoral, or lazy.

If former members speak out, they are dismissed as bitter, angry, dishonest or evil. Cults often impose some kind of shunning to shame former members and prevent them from infecting other members with the truth.

4. The group is paranoid about the outside world
If your group insists the end of the world is near, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults position themselves as the sole refuge from an evil outside world that is intent on their destruction. Cults thrive on conspiracy theories, catastrophic thinking, and persecution complexes.

In an effort to draw in more paying members, cults are often very aggressive in their recruitment efforts which are usually justified as “saving” people from the evil world. Those who reject the cult’s message are unelect, prideful, evil, or stupid.

5. The group relies on shame cycles
If you need your group in order to feel worthy, loved, or sufficient, you’re probably in a cult.

Cult leaders trap members in shame cycles by imposing abnormally strict codes of conduct (usually prescriptions about diet, appearance, sex, relationships, media), guilting members for their shortcomings, and then positioning themselves as the unique remedy to the feelings of guilt which they themselves created.

Cult members are made to believe they are insufficient or unworthy on their own and that the only way to become worthy is to confess their shortcomings to the group or leader. The leader then becomes the meditiator of worthiness and the foundation of the member’s self esteem.

Leaders who can make followers feel bad about anything can use shame to manipulate followers into doing anything, even if it’s against their own self-interest or better judgment.

6. The leader is above the law
If you’re held to a different moral standard, specifically in regard to sex, you’re probably in a cult.

A prevalent idea among cult leaders is that they are above the law, be it human or divine. This idea allows them to exploit their followers economically and sexually without repercussions.

When confronted, they do not confess, but create justifications for their impropriety. Sexual grooming of members is common. Loyal cult members will perform any amount of “mental gymnastics” to justify or ignore the leader’s behavior.

7. The group uses “thought reform” methods
If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you’re probably in a cult.

Indoctrination or “brainwashing” is the process through which a cult slowly breaks down a person’s sense of identity and ability to think rationally. Behaviors like excessive fasting, prayer, hypnosis, scripture reading, chanting, meditation, or drug usage can all be used to increase a person’s vulnerability to the leader’s suggestions.

The hallmark of indoctrination is the use of thought-terminating cliches. Platitudes like “follow the leader” or “doubt your doubts” are regurgitated over and over so that members don’t have to critically analyze complex issues.

8. The group is elitist
If your group is the solution for all the world’s problems, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults see themselves as the enlightened, chosen, and elect organization tasked with radically transforming individual lives and the entire world.

This elitism creates greater sense of group unity and responsibility centered on a united purpose. However, this sense of responsibility is often manipulated by cult leaders who coerce members into risky financial behavior, sexual favors, free manual labor, or heightened recruitment efforts in order to “further the cause.”

9. There is no financial transparency
If you’re not allowed to know what the group does with their money, you’re probably in a cult.

A group that refuses to disclose its finances is a huge red flag. Ethical organizations have nothing to hide. Cult leaders tend to live opulently while their followers are required to make financial sacrifices. Members are often encouraged to pay their offerings even if it means putting their families at risk.

10. The group performs secret rites
If there are secret teachings or ceremonies you didn’t discover until after you joined, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults use secret rituals as rites of passage that solidify a member’s loyalty to the group. Initiation into these rites usually only comes after a member has undergone certain tests or made adequate financial contributions.

Often, cult initiations are confusing, bizarre, or even offensive. This mental dissonance between their sense of confusion and their loyalty to the “inner circle” convinces the initiate to double their efforts in order to properly appreciate the proceedings. This only further entrenches them in a shame cycle, making them even more susceptible to manipulation.


PS: Thanks to Gemma13 for the lead (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106985-Corey-Goode-s-Fraud-Hoax-vs-the-Public&p=1316767&viewfull=1#post1316767) :)

[onevoice]

Masika welcome to Avalon
Re your question
2. Your mother had sex, something your religion prohibits, then you were born, so how can you hate woman so much and say you don't need anything like a gf on your life? Is she a sinner? She gets a pass because she's your mom?

Which religion is this?

Chris

Hi, thanks for your question,

They are trying for a religion based on concepts created by Dolores Cannon, who passed away October 18, 2014, they have taken concepts written by her and completely twisted them into a forced cult that basically kills your spirit

Like so:

1. You can't have sex
2. Don't eat meat
3. Don't interact with people normally, don't smile or participate on normal human stuff, you have to be "balanced" (by balanced they mean you must not enjoy anything people would consider normal, you are basically dull all the time, no emotions on either side)
4. Animals and most people are soulless, only those in the known can 'see' each other
5. People with souls can change the current reality around them at will

They, and i mean Barbara G. Sandlin and other people who are keeping theirs identities hidden so far except a few, have created a sort of religion that talks about how this is the last life the experience on this earth and how then once they died the will 'wake' up from the matrix ilussion

The entire cult is based on that and some other stolen work.

They also require people to pay 25 dollars a month or they get expelled and have no right to salvation (in a way) or any contact with anyone else in the group. But if you are inside the group you are told your family is soulless and you must get away from them because they will drag you down. You must only listen to Barbara Sadlin aka Judy and if you don't then you get expelled as well

Every video is "locked" and costs 25 dollars to unlock, if you want to ask a question you need to pay as well. If you stop the monthly payments then you are considered soulless and rejected

This group formed in 2016 and there have been reports about them for years, but it was a small group so it mostly went unnoticed

http://www.oom2.com/t43156-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations

I had a bit more info about this but i made the mistake of posting a single reply on ATS and it got removed, i never made a back of what i had :/

I'm trying not to get even more involved into this but some times it's just impossible to watch without speaking up

Edited to add:

Dolores Cannon has nothing to do, and had nothing to do at all with SourceTruth, she just was the victim in all this. She wrote a few books from where this cult got their roots, but she was in no way involved. I was in contact with her daughter and they are ok with just letting people be, they don't want to trouble themselves with all this stuff

4Gc1mGdoHRg

I made a post on ATS linking all the videos that show how it all links back to Ms Dolores's work but i could not find it right now, sorry
Mashika, you've done a superb job exposing sourcetruth as well as Quartz Crystal for who they are. Based on sourcetruth's behavior, it's obvious that he/she is either working very closely with Quartz Crystal or sourcetruth may in fact be the Quartz Crystal. People working in the dark cannot hide when the light is shone upon them. People like sourcetruth and Quartz Crystal steal other people's ideas and prey upon unsuspecting people. They are the antithesis of what spiritual pursuit should be.

I believe this post (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg9#pid24648119) on ATS is what you were referring to in your previous post.

Here are the YT videos you reference in your post:
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[Adi]

“1 in 5000”......a remark like that carries capacity to affect those who are at a fragile point. I certainly, don’t agree with such an assertion.