Millennials and mental health

[TomKat]

We've had our share of "troubled youth" on Avalon. Here's a startling story:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/50-25-of-millennials-have-left-a-job-for-mental-health-reasons-a-new-study-shows-e2-80-94-and-it-speaks-to-some-of-the-biggest-problems-plaguing-the-entire-generation/ar-AAIq0O7

The generation that sees everything as AWESOME and AMAZING is not so happy after all.

I blame computers. From the beginning of the personal computer in the early 80s, computer-generated acknowledgment was always overly positive, with exclamation points! This generation was encouraged to be phony:
"could I get some cream with my coffee?" "Sure." "Awesome! And this McDonald's coffee is amazing!"

[Victoria]

Thanks for posting this, TomKat.

"There are a few reasons behind the uptick, one of which is that young adults are more inclined to engage in risk-taking behaviors. However, the report also identified other structural factors at play - namely the many financial problems millennials are facing: student loan debt, healthcare, childcare, and an expensive housing market.

These four costs are part of The Great American Affordability Crisis plaguing millennials that's putting them financially behind."

Is the same downward trend in mental health affecting millennials in other countries?

My younger sister, called me not too long ago and when I asked her what she was doing home during her usual work day, she replied," I'm taking a mental health day."

A what??!? "You actually told your department that you needed a "mental health" day?!" :unsure:

In her line of work, to me, I would have thought admitting to mental health anything would be grounds for termination or separation.

This is a whole new concept for me, the article explains a lot... I find my two younger sisters much less able to handle things that my generation, and those older than us, generally took in stride.

Things seemed so different just a short time ago. It's very disturbing that our youth are faced with so much all at once, as though teetering on the brink of breaking. :-( The article mentions a shift in awareness but this is much more than that... it is definitely a wakeup call.

[TomKat]

Thanks for posting this, TomKat.

"These four costs are part of The Great American Affordability Crisis plaguing millennials that's putting them financially behind."

Is the same downward trend in mental health affecting millennials in other countries?

My younger sister, called me not too long ago and when I asked her what she was doing home during her usual work day, she replied," I'm taking a mental health day."

A what??!? "You actually told your department that you needed a "mental health" day?!" :unsure:

In her line of work, to me, I would have thought admitting to mental health anything would be grounds for termination or separation.

This is a whole new concept for me, the article explains a lot... I find my two younger sisters much less able to handle things that my generation, and those older than us, generally took in stride.

Things seemed so different just a short time ago.

Maybe we had our souls crushed at such an early age, we don't feel as much as we should.

[Victoria]

maybe... but there is something more going on than just being more sympathetic and aware of mental health issues which the article mentions ...there's an increase in incidence along with awareness.
I remember reading a few years ago about the new classifications for different illnesses- things that previously had never been considered illnesses and I wondered at the time how that would affect people...
whether being told you are unwell and classified that way actually reinforces it instead of addressing and healing the problem.

Increased awareness and support should be improving the numbers not witnessing an increase in suicides and illness. :-( I guess so many things are contributing to this...it's an onslaught
against those who should be our happiest, healthiest and most vibrant members of society. This spells a crisis.

[Sadieblue]

I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.

[Victoria]

Tomkat... Maybe you are right about computers, because these days, everyone seems glued to their devices. There might, in addition to an element of emotional and intellectual superficiality that was spawned over the years, also be a matter of blue light exposure in conjunction with all of the chemicals we are bombarded with in food and environment, particularly things that would be immune disruptors and cause adrenal issues. When the adrenals or immune system are constantly bombarded, the body cannot handle additional stressors, be they physical or emotional. Things that, maybe, we were not exposed to or saturated with in previous generations. (?)

[Victoria]

I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.

Sadieblue,

Thank you for sharing that. Very happy for your great grand daughter to surprise everyone and prove the doctor wrong. I feel like some doctors try to label everything
even when nothing is wrong, and it can be tremendously hindering to confidence, wellbeing and individual development. :-) You so beautifully put it, "Sometimes we don’t
all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but In our own time. " :heart:

[Patient]

This is such a huge topic and that in itself is a reflection of how many things are affecting the kids these days. The internet brings so much into their lives so quickly.

Then there is advertising and how that is playing at molding their lives. The PTB manipulating things to brainwash and program people's minds.

Medicine - in particular vaccinations.

Food.

Phones.

How will A.I. play with all of this? Imagine how things could go in China - I would not want to be a kid in public school with cameras judging every face I made. It will be interesting to see how those kids are affected. The parents are already greatly affected. If you look at houses for sale in North America and look at homes that are owned by Chinese investors you will see a house with a camera in almost every room and corner. This will affect a child if they are growing up knowing that they are always being watched and/or recorded.

No wonder kids have mental health issues. And if they don't, they are probably going to pretend that they do to either get away and get a break or maybe they need attention from a human being and being sic is one of the only ways to get it.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[shaberon]

Well, it is "awesome" flipped around to be about some external object, rather than internal of a person.

The cream? That's not cream, it may have some in it, but is mostly a chemistry lesson. In the U. S., I guess most taste buds are oriented to High Fructose Corn Syrup. Most of anything you can get is mostly made out of corn, thanks to subsidies.

I am afraid most of the younger ones "never had a chance" since their whole environment was so artificial, mixed with some type of emotional excitement about how good the "approved thing" was. Here, we have lost whatever it was that makes "quality people" and descended to mass production cheaply.

The "new problems", physical or mental, are so weak, it is hard to take them seriously. I wonder how many mental health days were taken by four-year-old Welsh kids spending sixteen hours in coal mines?

There is probably an inverse relationship between "natural whole person" and "new shiny toys". Give you new disorders so you become dependent on treatment seems to be what happens around here.

[AutumnW]

Millenials are the most **** upon generation who ever lived. They have problems boomers can't begin to imagine. Some of them are rightly jaded and antagonistic to older generations for darned good reason. We look like complete freaking fools to them. We yang on about our spiritual journeys when many of them have survival issues to worry about.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[T Smith]

We've had our share of "troubled youth" on Avalon. Here's a startling story:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/50-25-of-millennials-have-left-a-job-for-mental-health-reasons-a-new-study-shows-e2-80-94-and-it-speaks-to-some-of-the-biggest-problems-plaguing-the-entire-generation/ar-AAIq0O7

The generation that sees everything as AWESOME and AMAZING is not so happy after all.

I blame computers. From the beginning of the personal computer in the early 80s, computer-generated acknowledgment was always overly positive, with exclamation points! This generation was encouraged to be phony:
"could I get some cream with my coffee?" "Sure." "Awesome! And this McDonald's coffee is amazing!"

This statistic doesn't surprise me at all. Millennials are the first generation to be mass-vaccinated. There are likely other environmental triggers, yes. But in my estimation this one factor alone likely contributes to a whole host of issues we know not what, nor will fully understand until millennials themselves enter into their old age and live through their entire life spans (which I would bet the farm will be shorter and sicklier than the generations before them).

The generations before received two or three vaccinations, maybe four. Millennials received up to 50 shots and kids today are subject to 72 doses of neurotoxic injections before they turn eighteen years old. At the rate we are going with the incipience of compulsory medical procedures, the younger generations will likely continue taking vaccinations well into their twenties and thirties and forties.

We already know vaccinations are directly linked a vast array of autoimmune diseases and varying degrees of autism on the autism disorder spectrum. Not being able to cope with life and other mental-health complications are conditions we may not officially recognize on the autism spectrum, but I would suggest these type of behavioral symptoms are but mild and non-diagnosed forms of autism caused by the onslaught of aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde we are injecting into the bodies of our children.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.

[TomKat]

I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.

It's generally not a good idea to let your kid (or self) get diagnosed with any kind of mental disorder. It will follow them their whole life. The typical shrink has more problems than his patients, and there is the matter of projection.

[TomKat]

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.

That would be an ideal situation for the govt. Let them die off while still working rather than collecting retirement benefits. Let's face it, once you stop paying income tax and start collecting retirement, the govt wants you dead. Especially if you're not voting the correct way.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.

Life Expectancy is already going down in the US, probably for a combination of many reasons. But vaccines must certainly be a biggie.


CDC Data Show U.S. Life Expectancy Continues to Decline
"The latest CDC data show that the U.S. life expectancy has declined over the past few years," said CDC Director Robert Redfield, M.D., in a Nov. 29 statement.
CDC Data Show U.S. Life Expectancy Continues to Decline (https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20181210lifeexpectdrop.html)

[Strat]

I don't think there's one singular cause but I bet a lot of our (millennial's) mental health issues is due to gaming and electronic addiction.

There are 2 types of millennials; folks like me who grew up pre internet craze and the others who grew up at a time where everyone had a PC in the house with internet connection. Electronics addiction is relatively new and not fully understood or taken seriously. It absolutely is real and can be a problem. I thank god I grew up playing football with friends, riding bikes, going camping and having a blast while doing it.

For the baby boomers I'd ask you what did you do when yall were kids and on summer break from school? How many channels were on TV at the time? What video game consoles did you have? How much time did you stay inside and what time did you go to bed?

My generation is where the shift towards staying inside really started to happen. Modern games can be incredibly immersive, it would be very easy to blow through 6 hours playing 1 game. The problem here is the games are just too damn fun. This is why folks get addicted to drugs. You know why cocaine is addictive? Because it's just so much fun, it makes your problems go away and your celebrations greater.

Also like a drug, gaming can take you to lows. A youtube search of folks freaking out while gaming will come up with endless results of people yelling at the top of their lungs, throwing controllers and punching monitors. Good and bad emotions, think of what that is doing to ones mind while that person is just sitting inside putting themselves through that experience. Constant highs and lows and there is no real reward.

Online gaming is especially sketchy. There are kids playing with adults and they talk crap to each other. I don't play online games anymore but back when I did years ago I had to protect a kid from being bullied. He communicating in game by typing instead of using his mic cause he was scared the other folks would make fun of him for having a high voice.

Millenials I'm not even worried about, it's the next generation. They are so screwed. I was walking my dog last week and a kid was screaming at his mom cause she took his cell phone away from him.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: we should all have to go primitive camping at least once a year as a sort of detox. There's nothing to do when the sun goes down, either stare at the fire (which gets boring) or go to sleep.

[shaberon]

My understanding is the main statistical factor in decline of U. S. life expectancy is opioids.

When I was young, there was no such thing as a synthetic opioid. I can't remember the name of the movie, but they showed us something narrated by Bill Cosby that showed what "the real thing" can do to you, and that thwarted any curiosity I never had.

72 vaccinations now? I didn't realize it had run that far. I guess these are the ones that mainly don't work, but are cross-contaminated with at least twenty-six things that aren't healthy at all. That stuff really needs to take a back seat to ordinary sanitation and washing your hands.

Especially during the summer, everyone used to live outside. Nobody locked their doors, it was "small town" and everybody knew everybody. I used to walk wherever I wanted and start talking to anybody, even adults. I'm sure you'd go straight to jail if you let this happen any more. It is creepy how the land has been cleansed of people.

I am not that old and we had the early pcs, gaming consoles, and cable tv, and I spent about a year drowning in the stuff until I realized it was not at all what I wanted, and I kicked it to the curb. I thought I might get away from it these days by entering a "no phones" workplace, but, the people who are supposed to get you in trouble for doing it, are stuck on their phones the same way. If it is quiet, I can stand there and watch every human being nose down into the damn thing.

Since everything has been going exactly backwards while I have been alive, nothing is really a surprise, you get unending war backed by unstoppable debts, increased by more medical expenses whose main aim is to grab your property. It is an insane man-made situation, understandably difficult to pull through with a sound mind. I can somewhat understand how my parents' generation was swindled by patriotic propaganda and a devout admiration for "the system", but this seems inexcusable now. It is a failure.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: we should all have to go primitive camping at least once a year as a sort of detox. There's nothing to do when the sun goes down, either stare at the fire (which gets boring) or go to sleep.

I do feel that the disconnect from nature plays a huge part in well-being, including physical, mental, and spiritual. Camping would be a good start, but once a year doesn't seem like nearly enough.
But Strat - after the sun goes down there's still plenty to do! Singing, story-telling, jokes (or tokes ;)), reading a book by flashlight... just enjoying the stars. (I love staring at the fire, myself.)

[Mashika]

Hello,

I've been reading this thread since it opened and i have about to post several times but i backtracked so many times. Have to say that i did not want to turn this into an "Us vs them" scenario, or even worse "Me vs you" :/

But i think there's some kind of disconnection between previous generation and current one, or "Generation Z" and younger "Millennials" (I don't love labels :) )

I'm not feeling very comfortable addressing this, very honestly, so i would just like to point a few things and then let the conversation continue.

So here are some point from my side, i guess i could say "from the other perspective" and i don't mean to disrespect anyone i'm just trying to voice my perspective of things ok guys?


1. I'm expected to know everything, because i'm younger and "young people are smart and learn fast"
2. If i get to work and do something better than the older guy, then i'm trying to make him/her look bad or showing off
3. I have to learn at least 3 times the amount of stuff people from previous generations had to learn, to do the same job, and do it on the same amount of hours/months/years
4. I'm expected to know it all because i am expected to be "professional" and point number 1
5. But don't ever question the person with more experience because obviously you can't know more than someone with 20 years of experience "you kids think you know it all"
6. If you answer a question with stuff the elders don't understand, you mostly get shutdown on your proposal, since they can't control it and its "going to get out of control" in my hands, because i'm young and inexperienced
7. If a new project that requires modern technologies comes around and no elder knows or cares to learn about it, then it falls on the younglings, "because they are smart and learn faster and are better prepared"
8. If said project fails then it's because of the younglings, because "they are too young and don't know how things work and are very unexperienced to take it on, we should have used older technologies we all understand and are well set and proven"

I had an experience some weeks ago, basically trying to point out some issues with someone's opinion, it went something like this

Me: "This may be wrong because of this reason"
He: "Young lady, i know you have read a lot of books, but i am older than you, and i have read even more, when you were drinking your milk i was already reading more advanced books than you are right now. So go to sleep and let me handle this"

That kind of attitude i have seen a lot in the past year, since i started 'working", it almost seems like i should expect it

I'm not bitter no :) Just want to point out something that seems to be missing on this conversation but i believe someone mentioned a bit about it

Basically, you are young so you are expected to deal with everything older people can't, but at the same time you are not capable because you are young.

If you succeed, great! Keep working hard!
If you fail, bad! You are young and dumb, maybe we made a mistake with you

We are hired with a miserable salary but expected to act like we have 10+ years of experience. Any error is cause for possibly being let go, any success is just a normal day. Don't tell the kid she's smart, she may believe it, if she succeeds, let's just tell her she did fine, but if she fails, let's hit her with the entire misery we carry on our souls so she becomes like us

LMAO

Yes i know i'm taking things out of proportion, but the general message i want to say is this. There's a lot of expectations from people who also will constantly remind you that you can't be better or smarter because you must be dumber because you are just a kid and don't think your education is better than my experience

So after all that rant :) The question would be

Who would love to live a life like that? Would you not just say f*k it i don't need this, i need to go away from this toxicity?

I think there's a big disconnection between each generation, starting from the fact that people don't realise that younger generations have to learn all the past generation's stuff plus the new stuff, adding a new layer on top of it while still being required to achieve more in the same amount of time and without any complaining or they are considered weak because "in my days..."

It seems we are on a constant loop. I wonder if someday i will have grand children and i will tell them, i was 22 when A.I. really started to become smart!

And they will say "Yeeeeeees grandma you said that before, i'll go to the moon now in my home built space scooter, see you in three days granny!"

The thing is, i will probably bully them a lot, maybe causing them to not want to be around me or my "experienced self" much more than going to the store to pick up a can of soda

Then i will think they are ill or not well mentally because i have my own set of rules about life they don't want to participate in (therefore they are weak/mentally unhealthy because i was able to live through all of it and they can't/will not suffer through it as i did)

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone so please forgive if i'm seem rude or hateful, i'm just trying to show how it feels to be on this side and how it is mostly overlooked when considering causes of the "health" problem this thread is about

[Lyran.Sun]

Hello,

I've been reading this thread since it opened and i have about to post several times but i backtracked so many times. Have to say that i did not want to turn this into an "Us vs them" scenario, or even worse "Me vs you" :/

But i think there's some kind of disconnection between previous generation and current one, or "Generation Z" and younger "Millennials" (I don't love labels :) )

I'm not feeling very comfortable addressing this, very honestly, so i would just like to point a few things and then let the conversation continue.

So here are some point from my side, i guess i could say "from the other perspective" and i don't mean to disrespect anyone i'm just trying to voice my perspective of things ok guys?


1. I'm expected to know everything, because i'm younger and "young people are smart and learn fast"
2. If i get to work and do something better than the older guy, then i'm trying to make him/her look bad or showing off
3. I have to learn at least 3 times the amount of stuff people from previous generations had to learn, to do the same job, and do it on the same amount of hours/months/years
4. I'm expected to know it all because i am expected to be "professional" and point number 1
5. But don't ever question the person with more experience because obviously you can't know more than someone with 20 years of experience "you kids think you know it all"
6. If you answer a question with stuff the elders don't understand, you mostly get shutdown on your proposal, since they can't control it and its "going to get out of control" in my hands, because i'm young and inexperienced
7. If a new project that requires modern technologies comes around and no elder knows or cares to learn about it, then it falls on the younglings, "because they are smart and learn faster and are better prepared"
8. If said project fails then it's because of the younglings, because "they are too young and don't know how things work and are very unexperienced to take it on, we should have used older technologies we all understand and are well set and proven"

I had an experience some weeks ago, basically trying to point out some issues with someone's opinion, it went something like this

Me: "This may be wrong because of this reason"
He: "Young lady, i know you have read a lot of books, but i am older than you, and i have read even more, when you were drinking your milk i was already reading more advanced books than you are right now. So go to sleep and let me handle this"

That kind of attitude i have seen a lot in the past year, since i started 'working", it almost seems like i should expect it

I'm not bitter no :) Just want to point out something that seems to be missing on this conversation but i believe someone mentioned a bit about it

Basically, you are young so you are expected to deal with everything older people can't, but at the same time you are not capable because you are young.

If you succeed, great! Keep working hard!
If you fail, bad! You are young and dumb, maybe we made a mistake with you

We are hired with a miserable salary but expected to act like we have 10+ years of experience. Any error is cause for possibly being let go, any success is just a normal day. Don't tell the kid she's smart, she may believe it, if she succeeds, let's just tell her she did fine, but if she fails, let's hit her with the entire misery we carry on our souls so she becomes like us

LMAO

Yes i know i'm taking things out of proportion, but the general message i want to say is this. There's a lot of expectations from people who also will constantly remind you that you can't be better or smarter because you must be dumber because you are just a kid and don't think your education is better than my experience

So after all that rant :) The question would be

Who would love to live a life like that? Would you not just say f*k it i don't need this, i need to go away from this toxicity?

I think there's a big disconnection between each generation, starting from the fact that people don't realise that younger generations have to learn all the past generation's stuff plus the new stuff, adding a new layer on top of it while still being required to achieve more in the same amount of time and without any complaining or they are considered weak because "in my days..."

It seems we are on a constant loop. I wonder if someday i will have grand children and i will tell them, i was 22 when A.I. really started to become smart!

And they will say "Yeeeeeees grandma you said that before, i'll go to the moon now in my home built space scooter, see you in three days granny!"

The thing is, i will probably bully them a lot, maybe causing them to not want to be around me or my "experienced self" much more than going to the store to pick up a can of soda

Then i will think they are ill or not well mentally because i have my own set of rules about life they don't want to participate in (therefore they are weak/mentally unhealthy because i was able to live through all of it and they can't/will not suffer through it as i did)

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone so please forgive if i'm seem rude or hateful, i'm just trying to show how it feels to be on this side and how it is mostly overlooked when considering causes of the "health" problem this thread is about

You heard of crystal children? If so do you think that you are one? Many crystal children are being born in generation Z. https://psychicelements.com/blog/crystal-child-signs-of-crystal-children/

[Lyran.Sun]

70s & 80s babies are the link between the old skool & the new skool. We experienced a good glimpse of the old times & are the catalyst to the new times. Many of us older millenials 80s babies aren't the snowflakes micro aggression REEE kind of people.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Interesting point, Mashika. I do remember the very same challenges when I was young and in entry-level positions, and of course dealing with the many personalities in the workplace remains a given for us all.

It does make me think, however, that the exponential acceleration of information must be intensifying these challenges. And the time-frame between these challenges does appear to be shortening. (as between Z's and Millenials) Wonder what the outcome will eventually be?
QgEqQAIpLoo

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[TomKat]

All the vaccines they require of children nowadays makes me think of the biblical king who killed all the children in hopes of getting the messiah. Maybe there really are awakened kids being born and the elite are scared to death their world will change unless they cripple the generation?

[Mashika]

All the vaccines they require of children nowadays makes me think of the biblical king who killed all the children in hopes of getting the messiah. Maybe there really are awakened kids being born and the elite are scared to death their world will change unless they cripple the generation?

That would be some conspiracy, but there are a lot of other countries where vaccines are not applied in the same way as in North America, and i don't think it would be possible to cover the entire world just to be sure no kid can escape it

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Interesting point, Mashika. I do remember the very same challenges when I was young and in entry-level positions, and of course dealing with the many personalities in the workplace remains a given for us all.

It does make me think, however, that the exponential acceleration of information must be intensifying these challenges. And the time-frame between these challenges does appear to be shortening. (as between Z's and Millenials) Wonder what the outcome will eventually be?
QgEqQAIpLoo

This was very interesting, i think a lot of people miss that fact that there's always more to learn than the previous generation but the time frames are the same for school and the metrics at work are expected to be the same as before, even if the work requires a lot more effort or knowledge and maybe that's why we start seeing things like the Boeing issues and crashes?

[shaberon]

But Strat - after the sun goes down there's still plenty to do!

I used to use that for trying to become afraid of the "bogeyman" of any kind whatsoever, all that "fear of the dark" kind of stuff. If you face it, it goes away. Nothing of the kind fazes me any more.

To Mashika's point, yes, some of us at least understand and respect it. The knowledge base increased, so you have to do three times as much to get to "start", but then the experienced person is always "more important" than you.

Firstly, the "knowledge base" is a bit of a phony. For example in our Science forum, you can find the original Maxwell equations in quarternion form. They quit teaching this *immediately* due to the convenience of tensors, but, this format would have to be described as "incomplete".

Big Theories (Relativity, Evolution, Tectonic Plate Drift) marginalize, if not excommunicate, professional scientists who attempt to work around them.

Secondly, the "industry" really just cares about its bottom line. That's all. I have a science degree and never worked in the field. I'm something like an "aborted" Wade Frazier who posts here. He is a great example of what happens when you try to change something big. I realized there was not an industry that would do anything I believe in. And so I let it go because I did not want to hide in a trailer in the New Mexican desert to do some renegade project.

Academics aside, the main "lesson" I would hope to pass to the young is how to expose and kill the death cult that has its fingers in everything. Education and industry as we know them are death cult. Most people that we know are in it. Don't mouth off to your boss about it, but, be assured, there are those of us who are not at all pleased with the dehumanizing swindle that has forced these conditions onto us. Profit motive be damned. You know where the real treasure is.

[Mashika]

Hello,

I've been reading this thread since it opened and i have about to post several times but i backtracked so many times. Have to say that i did not want to turn this into an "Us vs them" scenario, or even worse "Me vs you" :/

But i think there's some kind of disconnection between previous generation and current one, or "Generation Z" and younger "Millennials" (I don't love labels :) )

I'm not feeling very comfortable addressing this, very honestly, so i would just like to point a few things and then let the conversation continue.

So here are some point from my side, i guess i could say "from the other perspective" and i don't mean to disrespect anyone i'm just trying to voice my perspective of things ok guys?


1. I'm expected to know everything, because i'm younger and "young people are smart and learn fast"
2. If i get to work and do something better than the older guy, then i'm trying to make him/her look bad or showing off
3. I have to learn at least 3 times the amount of stuff people from previous generations had to learn, to do the same job, and do it on the same amount of hours/months/years
4. I'm expected to know it all because i am expected to be "professional" and point number 1
5. But don't ever question the person with more experience because obviously you can't know more than someone with 20 years of experience "you kids think you know it all"
6. If you answer a question with stuff the elders don't understand, you mostly get shutdown on your proposal, since they can't control it and its "going to get out of control" in my hands, because i'm young and inexperienced
7. If a new project that requires modern technologies comes around and no elder knows or cares to learn about it, then it falls on the younglings, "because they are smart and learn faster and are better prepared"
8. If said project fails then it's because of the younglings, because "they are too young and don't know how things work and are very unexperienced to take it on, we should have used older technologies we all understand and are well set and proven"

I had an experience some weeks ago, basically trying to point out some issues with someone's opinion, it went something like this

Me: "This may be wrong because of this reason"
He: "Young lady, i know you have read a lot of books, but i am older than you, and i have read even more, when you were drinking your milk i was already reading more advanced books than you are right now. So go to sleep and let me handle this"

That kind of attitude i have seen a lot in the past year, since i started 'working", it almost seems like i should expect it

I'm not bitter no :) Just want to point out something that seems to be missing on this conversation but i believe someone mentioned a bit about it

Basically, you are young so you are expected to deal with everything older people can't, but at the same time you are not capable because you are young.

If you succeed, great! Keep working hard!
If you fail, bad! You are young and dumb, maybe we made a mistake with you

We are hired with a miserable salary but expected to act like we have 10+ years of experience. Any error is cause for possibly being let go, any success is just a normal day. Don't tell the kid she's smart, she may believe it, if she succeeds, let's just tell her she did fine, but if she fails, let's hit her with the entire misery we carry on our souls so she becomes like us

LMAO

Yes i know i'm taking things out of proportion, but the general message i want to say is this. There's a lot of expectations from people who also will constantly remind you that you can't be better or smarter because you must be dumber because you are just a kid and don't think your education is better than my experience

So after all that rant :) The question would be

Who would love to live a life like that? Would you not just say f*k it i don't need this, i need to go away from this toxicity?

I think there's a big disconnection between each generation, starting from the fact that people don't realise that younger generations have to learn all the past generation's stuff plus the new stuff, adding a new layer on top of it while still being required to achieve more in the same amount of time and without any complaining or they are considered weak because "in my days..."

It seems we are on a constant loop. I wonder if someday i will have grand children and i will tell them, i was 22 when A.I. really started to become smart!

And they will say "Yeeeeeees grandma you said that before, i'll go to the moon now in my home built space scooter, see you in three days granny!"

The thing is, i will probably bully them a lot, maybe causing them to not want to be around me or my "experienced self" much more than going to the store to pick up a can of soda

Then i will think they are ill or not well mentally because i have my own set of rules about life they don't want to participate in (therefore they are weak/mentally unhealthy because i was able to live through all of it and they can't/will not suffer through it as i did)

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone so please forgive if i'm seem rude or hateful, i'm just trying to show how it feels to be on this side and how it is mostly overlooked when considering causes of the "health" problem this thread is about

You heard of crystal children? If so do you think that you are one? Many crystal children are being born in generation Z. https://psychicelements.com/blog/crystal-child-signs-of-crystal-children/


As much i can say.. нет

I as well as you can match a few things on that list, but i can tell i don't get sick, i'm extroverted, i'm not easy to bully among tons of things that don't match

But also one time a few years ago my mom looked at me and simply said "you have a dark soul" LMFAO

Who knows

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But Strat - after the sun goes down there's still plenty to do!

I used to use that for trying to become afraid of the "bogeyman" of any kind whatsoever, all that "fear of the dark" kind of stuff. If you face it, it goes away. Nothing of the kind fazes me any more.

To Mashika's point, yes, some of us at least understand and respect it. The knowledge base increased, so you have to do three times as much to get to "start", but then the experienced person is always "more important" than you.

Firstly, the "knowledge base" is a bit of a phony. For example in our Science forum, you can find the original Maxwell equations in quarternion form. They quit teaching this *immediately* due to the convenience of tensors, but, this format would have to be described as "incomplete".

Big Theories (Relativity, Evolution, Tectonic Plate Drift) marginalize, if not excommunicate, professional scientists who attempt to work around them.

Secondly, the "industry" really just cares about its bottom line. That's all. I have a science degree and never worked in the field. I'm something like an "aborted" Wade Frazier who posts here. He is a great example of what happens when you try to change something big. I realized there was not an industry that would do anything I believe in. And so I let it go because I did not want to hide in a trailer in the New Mexican desert to do some renegade project.

Academics aside, the main "lesson" I would hope to pass to the young is how to expose and kill the death cult that has its fingers in everything. Education and industry as we know them are death cult. Most people that we know are in it. Don't mouth off to your boss about it, but, be assured, there are those of us who are not at all pleased with the dehumanizing swindle that has forced these conditions onto us. Profit motive be damned. You know where the real treasure is.

I think there's not a single reason to figure it out, as it is right now

We may have to figure it out later on, but right now, i'ts better to let it go away, meanwhile people should focus on preparing and figuring it out the next step

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[TomKat]

All the vaccines they require of children nowadays makes me think of the biblical king who killed all the children in hopes of getting the messiah. Maybe there really are awakened kids being born and the elite are scared to death their world will change unless they cripple the generation?

That would be some conspiracy, but there are a lot of other countries where vaccines are not applied in the same way as in North America, and i don't think it would be possible to cover the entire world just to be sure no kid can escape it[COLOR="red"]


You don't need many people in on a conspiracy if the conspirators have enough money and religion at their disposal. In this case, scientism, or "better living through chemistry." Its adherents believe that the human race can and should be artificially improved, that a PhD trumps millennia of evolution, and humanity should be replaced by humanity 2.0, 3.0, etc. If you can't feel the forces of transhumanism at your back, you might be half way there already.

[thepainterdoug]

i didn't read all the post above, but regardless I feel for this generation and this time. this is all because of cell phones and computers. Being in my 60ies I will often just get written off as being old and out of touch, by this young generation, however this is just as narrow as me looking at them as stupid, empty headed and self centered.

there is no comparison , because those today weren't raised in my time frame and vice versa . I used to fix cars, change tires, build mechanical things, mini bikes and go carts, used to go fishing and do tons of outdoor stuff. now you can't do anything, can't go fishing need a freakin license to stick a pole in the water. can't fix a car unless your Einstein. they took it out of everyones hands and rigged the game.

If us older were born in this time, wed be doing and struggling the same. lying has been brought to an art form in politics, religion and everything. the cats out of the bag. no one believes in anything anymore. even music, albums, records with album covers!! it was great I looked at those albums and listened to that music late into night.

what does someone have now? no imagination! too much excess!! sickening .

god bless this young group of people , I'm so happy I had one son and never remarried. sad to say, its scary to see how zombied people are. I have no idea where its all going. and add 5 g to the equation .

[RunningDeer]

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Deleted. Preachy.

[shaberon]

I think there's not a single reason to figure it out, as it is right now

We may have to figure it out later on, but right now, i'ts better to let it go away, meanwhile people should focus on preparing and figuring it out the next step

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Ah, it's really clear. Once Upon a Time a Good King had to give the people a Jubilee.

The Fairy Tale has been ended, purposefully, by someone who would like us to forget about it.

A government produces nothing, it must be compelled to serve the people by protecting them against those who control production. Historically, forgiveness of debts was part of that program.

Most of our problems would work themselves out if someone wasn't pushing the gas pedal in the other direction.

My next step is a 1,000 year plan.

[Mashika]

I think there's not a single reason to figure it out, as it is right now

We may have to figure it out later on, but right now, i'ts better to let it go away, meanwhile people should focus on preparing and figuring it out the next step

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Ah, it's really clear. Once Upon a Time a Good King had to give the people a Jubilee.

The Fairy Tale has been ended, purposefully, by someone who would like us to forget about it.

A government produces nothing, it must be compelled to serve the people by protecting them against those who control production. Historically, forgiveness of debts was part of that program.

Most of our problems would work themselves out if someone wasn't pushing the gas pedal in the other direction.

My next step is a 1,000 year plan.

I think i wrote that completely out of the context i meant to, so it doesn't make any sense but i just realized now after reading it back

I'm not sure now what i was trying to point out and what i was replying to back then. It doesn't make any sense to me, it doesn't stand alone by itself so i think it can be considered a dumb statement unless i can associate it with the text i tried to reply to. But i don't know what that was anymore :/

[T Smith]

All the vaccines they require of children nowadays makes me think of the biblical king who killed all the children in hopes of getting the messiah. Maybe there really are awakened kids being born and the elite are scared to death their world will change unless they cripple the generation?

It's an absolutely insane and absurd practice so there has to be some explanation. We may as well consider all possibilities. I personally think it's more of a "dumbing down" and "sickening" of the younger generations, so to render the younger generations more manageable (controllable), less fertile (population control), and to cull and thin the herd and lower the average life expectancy into the 50s and 60s. I suspect this won't become clear until 2050-2060 or so when millennials and the generations after them begin dropping like flies.

It's important to note this isn't a Big Pharma conspiracy--it's a social engineering conspiracy at a much higher level, of which Big Phama, which stands to gain multi-trillions, first on the vaccinations themselves but then mostly on the ensuing drugs and medical procedures and surgeries the vaccinations will necessitate throughout entire lifespans, is but a functional and useful asset. Greed is an asset of Power.

In the words of the very prominent 20th-century philosopher, social engineer, and Nobel Laureate Bertrand Russell:

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable..." Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society (1952)

[AutumnW]

T Smith,

Do you think people are becoming more stupid or that they think differently?

[Victoria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKd2QVrQVIMI think this can go here, not sure, but it reminded me of TomKat's original post. Except, instead of just computers, this short video really focuses on how addictive phones are and how we are losing ourselves to these devices and superficiality in becoming detached from one another and living our lives through tech. My mother just sent this to me, thought it ironically on par. https://youtu.be/nKd2QVrQVIM

[Victoria]

Mashika,

it wasn't a dumb statement, whatever you intended at the moment, people can still identify with it...maybe they fill in the blanks with their own interpretations and feelings...
sometimes open-ended things have more substance than finite statements :-)

[T Smith]

T Smith,

Do you think people are becoming more stupid or that they think differently?

They undoubtedly think differently--they are the first generation of the so-called information/Internet age, but I think it's too soon to say whether they are becoming more stupid, per se. But they are definitely being biologically altered. This study (https://www.ane.pl/pdf/7020.pdf) shows us what happens in the amygdala of rhesus monkeys that have been administered the full vaccination regimen recommended by the CDC relative to a placebo group. The results are conclusive. The neurotoxins of the full vaccination schedule cause inflammation and lesions in the amygdala, which impairs judgement, causes socio-emotional disruptive behavior, including abnormal social interaction, and specifically impairs the recognization of danger and blights survival instincts. One could probably argue the Millennial counterparts of this rhesus monkey study are becoming more stupid due to not only vaccinations, but also diet and other environmental factors prevalent in the information age, but it may be too soon to say whether it's an intelligence factor, or docility, or an anti-social response, or whatever. All I know for sure is it's not good...

[Sue (Ayt)]

T Smith,

Do you think people are becoming more stupid or that they think differently?

When I googled it, quite a few studies are stating that IQ scores are declining. Example:


IQ levels inexorably rose during the last century, about three points per decade, according to established research. Now they’re not.

In fact, IQ levels are actually in decline — and not just in Congress.

According to a number of studies, beginning around the turn of this century, IQ test scores were found to be declining across Britain, Germany, Scandinavia, Australia and France.
Why Are IQ Scores Dropping Now And What’s That Mean? (https://hotair.com/archives/latimestot/2019/05/25/iq-scores-dropping-now-whats-mean/)

[Mike]

i've recently returned to school to finish my degree, so i have maybe a unique vantage point on millennials.

never paid much attention to them before, or any group of people of any age really, as i'm usually distracted to the point of incompetence. but now it's unavoidable. plus, i just generally think of people as people, and it never really occurs to me that i might be talking to a "millennial" until it's brought up in some way.

having said all that: i've met some really, really bright millennials at school. shockingly bright. wildly intelligent. some profoundly annoying one's too, sure. we have some really bright millennials here on avalon as well.

i don't know if humor is a sign of intelligence, but i think it's a sign of awareness. quite a few of the millennials ive met are well aware of their alleged shortcomings and have a refreshing, ironic sense of humor about it all. it's a pleasure to be around them. i've made some cool friends..and i'm not someone who goes out of his way to meet friends.

human beings are meant to pull and push against something. that's where meaning is found, in the struggle. each generation has it's unique struggles. when humans come up against these unique challenges and overcome them (or at least continually try) their circuitry changes. one quite literally "becomes another person"...in the best of ways. i fear that millennials haven't had to push and pull against much, and have therefore become weak and entitled in some ways. technology has made their lives remarkably easy and entertaining...but they can hardly be blamed for it. any generation prior would have suffered the same fate.

when we criticize millennials, we're usually doing it while considering the least of them..the ones who haven't met their unique challenges. millennials, at their worst, are remarkably soft. they're responsibility-phobic. they're post-moderny relativists. on the male side this manifests as the proverbial man-child who lives in his mother's basement, nihilistic and entitled and resentful and narcissistic (the type that might shoot up a school, for example); and on the female side it manifests as the social-warrior victim types who bemoan the state of the world but refuse to take any responsibility for themselves and usually have some dude supporting them financially even as they lament being a pawn in the "patriarchy" (without seeing the irony)

at best they're wildly inventive and smart, environmentally conscious, compassionate, confident, ambitious, and achievement oriented. they're vastly superior to us "older folks" in these ways.

but most are a combination of the good and bad, just like with any generation. on the whole, the millenials ive met are quite well adjusted to their unique challenges, and have adapted or are adapting admirably. their mental health, in general, seems much better than mine, so i can hardly judge

[Strat]

Hope for the future and this kids dad needs father of the year award:
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[Mashika]

i didn't read all the post above, but regardless I feel for this generation and this time. this is all because of cell phones and computers. Being in my 60ies I will often just get written off as being old and out of touch, by this young generation, however this is just as narrow as me looking at them as stupid, empty headed and self centered.

there is no comparison , because those today weren't raised in my time frame and vice versa . I used to fix cars, change tires, build mechanical things, mini bikes and go carts, used to go fishing and do tons of outdoor stuff. now you can't do anything, can't go fishing need a freakin license to stick a pole in the water. can't fix a car unless your Einstein. they took it out of everyones hands and rigged the game.

If us older were born in this time, wed be doing and struggling the same. lying has been brought to an art form in politics, religion and everything. the cats out of the bag. no one believes in anything anymore. even music, albums, records with album covers!! it was great I looked at those albums and listened to that music late into night.

what does someone have now? no imagination! too much excess!! sickening .

god bless this young group of people , I'm so happy I had one son and never remarried. sad to say, its scary to see how zombied people are. I have no idea where its all going. and add 5 g to the equation .

A couple of days ago i read this article

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/10/eaav5916


In five preregistered studies, we assess people’s tendency to believe “kids these days” are deficient relative to those of previous generations. Across three traits, American adults (N=3,458; Mage = 33-51 years) believe today’s youth are in decline; however, these perceptions are associated with people’s standing on those traits. Authoritarian people especially think youth are less respectful of their elders, intelligent people especially think youth are less intelligent, well-read people especially think youth enjoy reading less. These beliefs are not predicted by irrelevant traits. Two mechanisms contribute to humanity’s perennial tendency to denigrate kids: (1) a person-specific tendency to notice the limitations of others where one excels, (ii) a memory bias projecting one’s current qualities onto the youth of the past. When observing current children, we compare our biased memory to the present and a decline appears. This may explain why the kids these days effect has been happening for millennia.


Find it very interesting how people tend to see younger people like that

Great musician: younger people are less savvy about music
Great mathematician: younger people don't know math well anymore
Great driver: younger people can't drive well anymore
Great pilot: younger people can't fly like we used to

And so on.. :)

Every generation does it to the next one :D :muscle:

[Strat]

i didn't read all the post above, but regardless I feel for this generation and this time. this is all because of cell phones and computers. Being in my 60ies I will often just get written off as being old and out of touch, by this young generation, however this is just as narrow as me looking at them as stupid, empty headed and self centered.

there is no comparison , because those today weren't raised in my time frame and vice versa . I used to fix cars, change tires, build mechanical things, mini bikes and go carts, used to go fishing and do tons of outdoor stuff. now you can't do anything, can't go fishing need a freakin license to stick a pole in the water. can't fix a car unless your Einstein. they took it out of everyones hands and rigged the game.

If us older were born in this time, wed be doing and struggling the same. lying has been brought to an art form in politics, religion and everything. the cats out of the bag. no one believes in anything anymore. even music, albums, records with album covers!! it was great I looked at those albums and listened to that music late into night.

what does someone have now? no imagination! too much excess!! sickening .

god bless this young group of people , I'm so happy I had one son and never remarried. sad to say, its scary to see how zombied people are. I have no idea where its all going. and add 5 g to the equation .

A couple of days ago i read this article

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/10/eaav5916


In five preregistered studies, we assess people’s tendency to believe “kids these days” are deficient relative to those of previous generations. Across three traits, American adults (N=3,458; Mage = 33-51 years) believe today’s youth are in decline; however, these perceptions are associated with people’s standing on those traits. Authoritarian people especially think youth are less respectful of their elders, intelligent people especially think youth are less intelligent, well-read people especially think youth enjoy reading less. These beliefs are not predicted by irrelevant traits. Two mechanisms contribute to humanity’s perennial tendency to denigrate kids: (1) a person-specific tendency to notice the limitations of others where one excels, (ii) a memory bias projecting one’s current qualities onto the youth of the past. When observing current children, we compare our biased memory to the present and a decline appears. This may explain why the kids these days effect has been happening for millennia.


Find it very interesting how people tend to see younger people like that

Great musician: younger people are less savvy about music
Great mathematician: younger people don't know math well anymore
Great driver: younger people can't drive well anymore
Great pilot: younger people can't fly like we used to

And so on.. :)

Every generation does it to the next one :D :muscle:

I think this is due in part with the media and internet. It easily leaves you with a false impression. According to the media I'm all of the 'ists' imaginable but I've never been accused as such in real life.