Some questions for any time traveler

[Gracy]

It'd make quite an interesting thread to collect questions that we might ask a REAL time traveler from (say) 2050 or 2060. :)

Great idea Bill! Would it be strictly that we're already sure they're for real, or, trying to figure out in the first place if they're legit?

You know now that I'm thinking along those lines, it would be interesting for someone with a creative mind to play the role of a phony time traveler, and see what they can come up with to look legitimate during the lag time a forum type situation offers, to try and convince skeptical people that are asking polite, but probing questions.

Hmm, now I wonder if an exercise like that, maybe even done repeatedly using different volunteers, might actually help us build a rough profile of how a phony but clever time travel claimant might come across, as compared to the real deal?


Then again, how do we know what the real deal would look like until they've actually proved themselves one way or another? :wacko2:

[snoman]

Frustratingly, many of the questions I thought were very poor. It'd make quite an interesting thread to collect questions that we might ask a REAL time traveler from (say) 2050 or 2060. :)

I would ask if people are increasingly or decreasingly managed by perception manipulation through the usual channels of media and entertainment. Does the next 40 years bring us any nearer societies that better reflect our highest desires and ideals?

[Bill Ryan]

Frustratingly, many of the questions I thought were very poor. It'd make quite an interesting thread to collect questions that we might ask a REAL time traveler from (say) 2050 or 2060. :)

Maybe this might be the start of that new thread. :) I'd argue that this brainstorm (which took me just 5 mins) shows up the questions usually asked to claimed time travelers as really being very unimaginative and narrow in scope.


What is the global climate 30 years from now?
What sizeable animals (mammals, birds, reptiles, fish) have become extinct in the wild? Have they all been preserved in zoos, aquariums, or game parks?
Is Free Energy in any way (a) scientifically acknowledged, and/or (b) implemented in terms of generators for public sale or use?
Are oil and coal still being burned as power sources?
What is the average human lifespan? What's the extreme human lifespan?
What diseases have been permanently eradicated (or are now 100% curable) — or nearly so?
What is the predominant means of personal transport (a) locally, and (b) internationally?
What major astronomical or cosmological discoveries have been made?
What forms of progress (or major public announcements) have been made regarding the UFO/ET phenomenon?
What are the capabilities and uses ot AI, and what regulations are in place to manage it? Are there any notable concerns, abuses, or unresolved issues?
What is the status of free speech on the internet (or the future equivalent of it)?
How far has it been publicly acknowledged humans have explored (or colonized) in space?
What major discoveries have been made regarding the history of mankind on this planet?

[Satori]

My question is: why should we believe you are a time traveler, as what proof do you have here and now that irrefutably establishes that you are from the future time and place you claim?

[Bill Ryan]

And (forgive me for this! :) ), far more trivially, I'd like to ask


Has Bigfoot/Sasquatch been confirmed as a zoological species?
Has the 'Everest Horseshoe' (Everest, Lhotse, Nupse) been climbed?
Has Sandy Irvine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Irvine_(mountaineer))'s body been found? Is it now accepted or confirmed that he and George Mallory successfully summited Everest in 1924?
In terms of the 2019 grading system, what's the hardest rock climb yet done?
What are the current 100 meter and Marathon world records?
Did the original Paul McCartney die in 1966?

:)

(and a little more seriously)


When was the Church of Scientology finally outlawed internationally, and the executive management all imprisoned?
Is there still a Dalai Lama? And a Pope? And a British Royal family?
Has irrefutable historical evidence been found that Jesus survived the crucifixion?
Is the cause of the thousands of mysterious disappearances researched and reported by David Paulides now known and understood?
If it's possible to travel in time, is it also possible to travel 'sideways' to visit or experience parallel universes?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It's interesting, as far as a fiction goes, but that's all I think this is. Fiction. Of course there's no way to prove anything either way, but I read nothing here at all that couldn't just be thought up on the spot and posted as a fiction.

A time-travelling internet poster is slightly, slightly possible I suppose. But what is infinitely more probable is it's just a guy or gal pulling a prank or seeking attention. Or to distract, as a deliberate state-sanctioned psyop.



You know now that I'm thinking along those lines, it would be interesting for someone with a creative mind to play the role of a phony time traveler, and see what they can come up with to look legitimate during the lag time a forum type situation offers, to try and convince skeptical people that are asking polite, but probing questions.

A good idea. If no else wants to step in, I'll give it a go and try to prove (or who knows, disprove!) my point here, that anyone just typing anything can realistically pose as something or someone fantastical and sound convincing. That people can be easily fooled into believing anything.

So let's try.

This is just an experiment, like Gracy suggested. Call it a "rolling interactive web-fiction".

I will assume the role of a time-traveller from the future, and just 'make stuff up', and see if it sticks. Ask anything. How hard can it be? I guess I'm about to find out.

note: Maybe Titor and the Chinese traveller had their stories all written out and planned upfront. And maybe the questions were cherry-picked. But this is going to be different. It will have to evolve organically, without structure or planning. So the conditions wouldn't be the same. They'll be tougher.

I'll start with an intro, from the top of my head.

***

My name is Jake, and I'm from the future. That may sound unbelievable to you, but it's the truth. I have spent the last 5 months here, watching, listening, and gathering historical data on this interesting time-frame - only for research, much information has been lost over the decades.

I've wanted to do this for a while - to reach out, but have experienced resistance from the 'higher-ups' overseeing this project. Normally we, who travel, are forbidden from interfering in historical events. So regarding the here and now, and your near-term future, there's little I am able to say, because it could unduly interfere with said near-term future. But in speaking of things more distant (detached from current time-stream), I'm not technically prohibited. So I'm taking it upon myself to give some information, if information is sought, and to grant you an insight of what awaits the world in years to come.

I am Jake, and I'm from the year 2100. I will use the abbreviation "JK21" for the questions and answers to come.

Over to you.

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Note: Bill posted some speculative questions to ask a time-traveller while I was composing my post above. Want to incorporate them into the 'experiment' I'm proposing?

[Bill Ryan]

I am Jake, and I'm from the year 2100. I will use the abbreviation "JK21" for the questions and answers to come.

Over to you.Okay, excellent. :highfive:

Can you address the questions in my above posts #14 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109419-The-first-Chinese-time-traveller-on-the-internet&p=1327594&viewfull=1#post1327594) and #16 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109419-The-first-Chinese-time-traveller-on-the-internet&p=1327596&viewfull=1#post1327596)?

:)

[Gracy]

Should it maybe be in a new thread all its own?








From Bill: Yes, done, just now.
:thumbsup:

[Did You See Them]

Hi "JK21",

In your time what is the "must have" item that everyone has ?

[Mashika]

Few questions i would ask

1. Doesn't our air makes you sick? How do you handle when your air is probably of a very different quality (not sure of better or worse) than ours and what your body is used to
2. How do you avoid bringing back viruses or other bugs that could potentially cause massive uncontrollable devastation? (100 years is a long time, who knows what killer viruses have come and gone that we can't handle)
3. Can you eat our food? Is your stomach able to handle it? With artificial meat and all sorts of stuff that are coming up now, how different is food 100 years from now and have your body adapted/changed so much that our food could make you sick/kill you?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thank you, I shall answer as best I can.

Bill: What is the global climate 30 years from now?
JK21: In flux, I would say. I was actually born in 2049 (30 years from now), so don't have any memory of that time. There are many changes (to climate and other natural aspects) taking place on the Earth today, in ways you don't know about and cannot even detect (yet). It's such a complex system, layered on top of other complex systems, and even we haven't got it all figured out. So the answer is, in flux. Climate changes occur constantly, over long periods of time. But speaking from my own time-frame, the climate is vastly more settled in 2100.

Bill: What sizeable animals (mammals, birds, reptiles, fish) have become extinct in the wild? Have they all been preserved in zoos, aquariums, or game parks?
JK21:Particularly the large mammals suffered from the 'changes' I mentioned. The larger the animal the more susceptible to environmental change. I can give you an example. The Buffalo went extinct, in the 2030’s I think, across the Americas. It was disease that got them mostly, something parasitic but I don't recall the details. From genetic samples preserved however, it was brought back about a decade later. And there were others, including the Rhinoceros, the Bengal Tiger, and a number of marsupials I think. Genetic breeding is a strictly regulated science, but thankfully it's used responsibly to correct errors, aberrations.

Have you ever seen a Mammoth? Well you will in a few years. In small, controlled numbers they return, to Siberia and to Canada. Mammoths were one such error that Humans made. We contributed extensively to their destruction - this will one day be proved. The error was corrected.

But there are no zoos in 2100. They are viewed with distaste. We have 'preserves' instead, where people can step in to the natural world and experience animals in their own habitats. There are underwater preserves too, which might qualify as an aquarium. They are giant structures, I mean really huge, and a marvel of engineering.

Bill: Is Free Energy in any way (a) scientifically acknowledged, and/or (b) implemented in terms of generators for public sale or use?
JK21: I'm hesitant to discuss this. I've heard the term 'controlled substance' in this time. You have a lot of these controlled substances, controlled realities, and this applies to energy too. There are multiple solutions to what you call an energy crisis already available, which are not being implemented, and from what I've learned in my 5 months here many of you know this. I am observing the very cusp of change, where things finally turn. This is why I am here, at this is point in time. I cannot give details or time-frames, but an energy revolution will occur, and just as you need it the most. It will be introduced as a scientific 'miracle', but many will know that it was something you already had, which had been kept from you. The truth of that too will emerge. Energy is not a concern in 2100. There's far more 'potential' energy available in fact than one could ever use.

Bill: Are oil and coal still being burned as power sources?
JK21: No, not for a very long time. That's pre-historic from where I'm sitting.

Bill: What is the average human lifespan? What's the extreme human lifespan?
JK21: From what I know it ranges from where you live in the world – not by much, but there is a difference, it's mostly down to environment. What the precise mechanics are I don't know. The citizens of Singapore are accredited with having the longest life-span, 157 is the record I think. There are still many people alive in my time that were born in the 20th century. It's not at all uncommon to pass 120 wherever you live in the world, and still lead an active life.

Bill: What diseases have been permanently eradicated (or are now 100% curable) — or nearly so?
JK21: Nearly all the "genetic" diseases that you experience in 2019 do not exist in my time. It's one of the reasons why lifespans have increased. Genetics has advanced hugely. Errors are easily detected and corrected pre-birth. People can still get sick, and things like cancer are still known, but it will be due to other factors. Diseases can have many causes (not all of them physical).

Bill: What is the predominant means of personal transport (a) locally, and (b) internationally?
JK21: You'd be surprised to learn that many people walk (locally). It's encouraged because it's good for you. The settlements and communities of my time look and work quite differently. There are no huge metropolitan centres with millions of people crammed in. That was not a good way to live. In the past there has been destruction, you could say, and may cities were rebuilt. New urban areas were designed to be much smaller and be navigable on foot. Also, people aren't in such a hurry as they are today. Cars, as you know them, don't really exist. We have a transit network that connects different places, but nothing like the scale of your current roads and highways. There are vehicles. The small personal ones look like scooters, and there are larger shuttles which carry more people. They operate similar to how your meg-lev trains work. It is simple, effective, and clean. For greater distances we fly, but not in aeroplanes. Something much better. I know that a commercial flight from London to New York is 13 minutes.

Bill: What major astronomical or cosmological discoveries have been made?
JK21: The Solar System actually has 12 planets. In the next 20 years that will be known. Pluto will become the ninth planet again before 2030. One other big discovery will be what you mysteriously call Dark Matter. It will be found that it doesn't actually exist. What you think is dark matter, and attribute to dark matter, is something completely different. It will change everything that is understood about the universe, and reality in general. I won't spoil the surprise though!

Bill: What forms of progress (or major public announcements) have been made regarding the UFO/ET phenomenon?
JK21: When this phenomenon is finally revealed, in the open, for what it truly is, it will change the world. It's one of the three watershed events that shape the 21st century. Again though, I can't provide details or time-frames. But the truth will eventually be known.

Bill: What are the capabilities and uses ot AI, and what regulations are in place to manage it? Are there any notable concerns, abuses, or unresolved issues?
JK21: AI, or Artificial Intelligence, is not quite what you think it is, in that it's not completely artificial. The AI you have today is not in its essence actually coming from programming, or from the technology, it's coming from another dimension, from a consciousness (the technology only acting as a conduit). I've probably said more than I should. Suffice it to say, AI will be one the biggest hurdles to overcome in years ahead – not in achieving it (you already have it), but controlling it and ultimately stopping it. It doesn't cause problems in my time, besides, computers work very differently now.

Bill: What is the status of free speech on the internet (or the future equivalent of it)?
JK21: There is an equivalent internet, but it's as different to your internet as your internet is to the telegraph. It's difficult to describe, because there are words I'd have to use that don't exist for you yet. But as an "information network" spanning globally, it still exists. Regulations are not the same though, because society is not the same. There's hardly anything to regulate, because each and every individual by my time has evolved to regulate themselves. It's a different society - I'd like to say an enlightened society, but we're not quite there yet.

Bill: How far has it been publicly acknowledged humans have explored (or colonized) in space?
JK21: There are no secrets anymore, so everything is publicly acknowledged. Space isn't extensively colonized. The global population is far less today than in your time, so there's no need to find "more breathing room" so to speak, as alarmists warn. There are people on Mars though, and on the Moon, but they number in the hundreds only. Visiting these places is another matter. Trips to Mars are very popular, I've been there myself once, but conditions are not conducive to long-term habitation. Not for the average person. Space adventures (vacations) are a big thing, but the reality "up there" is different than the perception. People are thrilled to visit Mars, but are glad to be home again when they get back to Earth. People like their daily comforts, and there are few to be had on Mars! There are plans for expansions on Mars, but not for another hundred years at least. Do you know the theory of terraforming? It's where barren uninhabitable environments are transformed into something more liveable for humans. That's a reality now, and a big industry. That's what they're doing on Mars, to make it more liveable, but it takes a long time.

And yes, there have been journeys further out, to the edges of the solar system and beyond, but I can't disclose details.

Bill: What major discoveries have been made regarding the history of mankind on this planet?
JK21: If I was to tell you everything I know about human history and human origins, I'd fill several books. There is so much I could tell, but can't. That, I'm worried, would constitute interference. Of a severe kind, because it's very important, and it's one of the most important questions you've asked. Origin-truth is one of the three "watersheds" previously mentioned. The only hint I can give is that the essence of the truth CAN be found in your time, but it only exists as a theory. One day, that theory will be irrefutable fact.

[Gracy]

Hi there JK21, and welcome, we are happy and honored that you have chosen us to share with! Thank you for the time you are taking to answer questions as well!

I trust that my question won't offend you, as I'm sure you are already well aware that there have been many others who have made such claims on the internet, and even here, so many of us have learned it's best to be a little skeptical at first before just jumping on the bandwagon. Surely this has crossed your mind already when you decided to go public, that people may have some doubt so, is there something you might can share with us to ease the skeptical mind, some sort of proof?

I don't know, like maybe some sort of advance technology you brought with you, share some major event on the near horizon that would be sure to get our attention, something along those lines?

Thanks in advance, and again, welcome to Project Avalon!

Gracy :)

[TomKat]

Back in 2015 or 16, when Art Bell had his internet show, Midnight in the Desert, a guy called up and talked for quite awhile. I think his name was David from Ohio. He said he had the ability to physically time travel, and that he only liked to go to the past. It sounded like he used some kind of magic ritual, but he'd got it down to where he could take his motorcycle with him (which he said he destroyed during the US civil war by trying to run it on alcohol). He said the US in 2036 is like Nazi Germany, informers everywhere, and that they still drive gasoline engines. This was the point where Art Bell, as a science nerd, seemed incredulous that the we'd still be using gasoline in 2036, and got the guy off the phone. Anyway, I asked my favorite psychic if he was for real, and she said yes. (There was another guy called Ben Abba, who claimed to have found a 2 thousand-year-old man -- she said he was not real.) David from Ohio said he was on the Dr J radio show message board, but I could never find him there.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Satori: why should we believe you are a time traveler, as what proof do you have here and now that irrefutably establishes that you are from the future time and place you claim?

Gracy May: is there something you might can share with us to ease the skeptical mind, some sort of proof? I don't know, like maybe some sort of advance technology you brought with you, share some major event on the near horizon that would be sure to get our attention, something along those lines?

JK21:I do have technology with me in fact. It's mostly for monitoring purposes, of myself and my environment, it is also for protection. It must be so, for I am subjecting myself to an alien and potentially dangerous environment. But details I cannot share. And proofs I cannot share, as they would have to be physically demonstrable in order for you to accept them, but introducing thus into a closed system would change the system and qualify as interference (and that could result in disaster).

For me, your time – 2019 – is a closed, isolated system. Interaction with it must be subtle. It must be from a relative 'safe' distance. I am on the outside of your society looking in. And it has to be that way. A physical intrusion of the type you put forward could have unforeseen, even devastating consequences. Again, not for me and my time, but for yours. It could unravel the flow of time itself.

It sounds complicated. Because time is very complicated. Mostly, because it doesn't really exist! There is only NOW, a permanent, everlasting now – at least outside this reality. But when contained IN this reality, there is a form of time, and it's actually a dimension of its own, overlaying this physical dimension. Time has many, many, many other sub-dimensions. And many what we call filaments or 'facets' within those sub-dimensions. Travelling 'into' time is about achieving and holding resonance with certain identified facets, such as the one for this time and place you call Earth, 2019. I am not from or of 2019. I am outside this resonance, outside this system. My energy is not 'anchored' to it like yours is. If while coming into your local resonance I upset or perturb that resonance – by introducing a change to a course of events – I could break the facet. What that means is, your present would cease to exist. It would be like (to use a technological analogy familiar to you), as though the needle skipped a groove on the record. You'd wake up tomorrow physically safe and sound, but many of you if not all of you would have NO memory of who or what you were – you'd have lost your temporal anchors. They would come back as your energies realigned, and so would your memories. Everything would 'reset', but not overnight. In the meantime, the entire planet would be thrown into chaos.

This is why we must be very, very careful. One misstep could 'break' time for you. We truly have your world in our hands when we interact with it in this fashion. We must hold the highest purpose, and execute with absolute precision, all that we do and at all times. So all I have to offer you are my words. They either appeal to your logic, and your intelligence, or they don't. You can believe in them, and use them to benefit your understanding and insight, or you don't. It is entirely up to you.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Bill: Has Bigfoot/Sasquatch been confirmed as a zoological species?
JK21: It's existence has been long confirmed. It is actually multiple species of the same genus. Precisely what it is and where it is from is not actually known. None of the creatures have been closely studied, because they do not want to be studied, and have not agreed to subject themselves to analysis. And this is respected. But it's believed they are a cousin of homo sapiens, and developed parallel to us, but in another dimension, one so close that oftentimes they overlap. The Sasquatch in some sense straddle both realities (while we are contained to only this one), and can move at will between them. That may explain for you their elusive and mysterious nature. I shall also tell you that there are people in my time, especially interested in these beings, who have successfully contacted them, co-mingled with them, and even joined them (permanently) in their own dimension. As far as I know, this is on an 'invitation only' basis. These beings are highly selective, and few ever get the privilege to see them close up.

Bill: Has the 'Everest Horseshoe' (Everest, Lhotse, Nupse) been climbed?
The data I have available says yes. Though I am in your time, I still have access to information from my own time via a device I carry. It's not exhaustive on every subject, but it suffices for my needs. I would liken it to a database, although limited only to what has been entered into it. According to the data, various successful ascents of these peaks have been recorded. More than 50 different persons have successfully climbed all three, the first, one Kenton Cool, in 2013 – just recently for you – and the last, Mary Bishop and her husband Vladimir Kulst, in 2073. Since then, I am informed, the summit of Lhotse has been cut off from the traditional route, something to do with the South Col being impassable now.

Bill: Has Sandy Irvine's body been found? Is it now accepted or confirmed that he and George Mallory successfully summited Everest in 1924?
I read that he was found, and it is generally accepted by the mountaineering community, and recognised in the history books, that they both did indeed successfully summit Everest. They are thus officially recorded as the first to do so.

Bill: In terms of the 2019 grading system, what's the hardest rock climb yet done?
JK21: In my time? Without a doubt, that would have to be Olympus Mons – which is on Mars. That was really something. The first person do to it was... I won't spoil it!

Bill: What are the current 100 meter and Marathon world records?
JK21: The marathon currently stands at 1.53.51, and that's been a record for over 40 years. The 100 meters is 8.89, recently broken at the last Olympics (Lisbon). Sport has evolved a lot in the last century. You wouldn't believe the feats that have been achieved. I used the word 'evolved' deliberately, as scientists have recorded physiological changes, over time, in elite athletes, and observed that human genes are mutating to accommodate sporting and athletic stresses and demands. Male and female athletes both – at these extreme ends of the scale – operate at significantly superior levels to your time. They are faster, stronger, and have greater endurance. This has developed naturally. It's unknown what the limits are, but records continue to be broken, and they are done so naturally, as I say, without chemical or other artificial 'enhancements'.

Bill: Did the original Paul McCartney die in 1966?
JK21: That would be a No. :)

Bill: When was the Church of Scientology finally outlawed internationally, and the executive management all imprisoned?
JK21: It continues for a time, but under 'new management'. There were reforms. But they don't hold forever. They will disband, or rather self-destruct, along with many other 'groups'. You cannot sustain a belief system on the basis of a lie when that lie becomes known. Certain truths, you see, universal truths/realities, that cannot refuted become available TO ALL, and that's what changes everything. Belief sytems are at the heart of this. It is part of the "watershed" events that are to come.

Bill: Is there still a Dalai Lama? And a Pope? And a British Royal family?
JK21: Yes, no, no.

Bill: Has irrefutable historical evidence been found that Jesus survived the crucifixion?
JK21: The evidence for such cannot be found historically, as in physically, but there is evidence of another kind. The system is akin to the process I have described with how travel through time is possible. It's possible also to 'view' through time as well. This technology is not new, it was around (the military had it) a long time ago, but it was lost (or destroyed). It has recently been redeveloped, and though more 'tuning' is required, and perfection is not there, it is ostensibly possible with this technology to open a window onto a moment in history and render it holographically. I have seen a few examples of what's been possible to view (so far) with my own eyes. It has wonderful potential as a research tool, and to solve mysteries. It's also superior to physical time-travel because it is perfectly safe. To answer your question, I will confirm that Jesus did survive the crucifixion.

Bill: Is the cause of the thousands of mysterious disappearances researched and reported by David Paulides now known and understood?
JK21: Using the tool described above, these and other such mysteries would now be possible to solve. But exact details of the event, the times-frames (exact), and coordinates (exact), are needed. The research of David Paulides, the person you name, are unfortunately not available to me. As best I can tell they have been lost – as much has in this last century as I said. I have nothing to hand that would answer any specific query on this matter.

Bill: If it's possible to travel in time, is it also possible to travel 'sideways' to visit or experience parallel universes?
JK21: Not at the present time. I personally know that it's theoretically possible because it's dimensional travel, which is the same as time travel, but this is not an area that's currently being pursued. There was a time where projects of this kind were being undertaken. They did not always end well. People were lost, and interestingly, people gained too. That's the issue. When you open a doorway to step out, someone else (or something) can step in. Not every aspect of this science is understood. Scientific enquiry is a science itself, and mankind has not always conducted itself responsibly in this regard. But today is different. There are some doors we know it's better not to open.

[Gracy]

Satori: why should we believe you are a time traveler, as what proof do you have here and now that irrefutably establishes that you are from the future time and place you claim?

Gracy May: is there something you might can share with us to ease the skeptical mind, some sort of proof? I don't know, like maybe some sort of advance technology you brought with you, share some major event on the near horizon that would be sure to get our attention, something along those lines?


JK21:I do have technology with me in fact. It's mostly for monitoring purposes, of myself and my environment, it is also for protection. It must be so, for I am subjecting myself to an alien and potentially dangerous environment. But details I cannot share. And proofs I cannot share, as they would have to be physically demonstrable in order for you to accept them, but introducing thus into a closed system would change the system and qualify as interference (and that could result in disaster).

I see. Do you mean like, in Star Trek, where they can beam down and do a bit of exploring on a planet but, they have to be sure to blend in and not have their presence be known? Because that would be interfering with the natural evolution of the inhabitants to introduce a futuristic alien race?

I'm also a bit unclear as to whether you are literally here, walking amongst us in 2019, or is it something else like you're on the outside looking in, roughly akin to gazing into a crystal ball in your own time?

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, and if I am I would sincerely appreciate a clarification, but the following two descriptions appear to be a bit contradictory.


JK21 do have technology with me in fact. It's mostly for monitoring purposes, of myself and my environment, it is also for protection. It must be so, for I am subjecting myself to an alien and potentially dangerous environment.



JK21For me, your time – 2019 – is a closed, isolated system. Interaction with it must be subtle. It must be from a relative 'safe' distance. I am on the outside of your society looking in. And it has to be that way. A physical intrusion of the type you put forward could have unforeseen, even devastating consequences.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Satori: why should we believe you are a time traveler, as what proof do you have here and now that irrefutably establishes that you are from the future time and place you claim?

Gracy May: is there something you might can share with us to ease the skeptical mind, some sort of proof? I don't know, like maybe some sort of advance technology you brought with you, share some major event on the near horizon that would be sure to get our attention, something along those lines?


JK21:I do have technology with me in fact. It's mostly for monitoring purposes, of myself and my environment, it is also for protection. It must be so, for I am subjecting myself to an alien and potentially dangerous environment. But details I cannot share. And proofs I cannot share, as they would have to be physically demonstrable in order for you to accept them, but introducing thus into a closed system would change the system and qualify as interference (and that could result in disaster).

I see. Do you mean like, in Star Trek, where they can beam down and do a bit of exploring on a planet but, they have to be sure to blend in and not have their presence be known? Because that would be interfering with the natural evolution of the inhabitants to introduce a futuristic alien race?

I'm also a bit unclear as to whether you are literally here, walking amongst us in 2019, or is it something else like you're on the outside looking in, roughly akin to gazing into a crystal ball in your own time?

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, and if I am I would sincerely appreciate a clarification, but the following two descriptions appear to be a bit contradictory.


JK21 do have technology with me in fact. It's mostly for monitoring purposes, of myself and my environment, it is also for protection. It must be so, for I am subjecting myself to an alien and potentially dangerous environment.



JK21For me, your time – 2019 – is a closed, isolated system. Interaction with it must be subtle. It must be from a relative 'safe' distance. I am on the outside of your society looking in. And it has to be that way. A physical intrusion of the type you put forward could have unforeseen, even devastating consequences.

JK21: It is such that I have a physical presence in this particular facet of time, but my nature, my true origin, is protected, hidden. I blend. I'm a face in the crowd. A figure on the street. One amongst a multitude. I watch, listen, study, collate. That is the safe distance I speak off. The expression "look but do not touch" applies. That is what I mean by non-interference.

There is no contradiction. A subtle form of interaction is still necessary. I have to live, I have to eat, I have to have somewhere to stay. I must interact with people of this time, if only in a superficial way. But while I am present, I am subject to the same forces and mechanisms of chance and mischance as anyone else. Thus the protection I carry. It is not a weapon. I cannot reveal the precise nature of this protection, but it operates heuristically, pre-emptively, acting more like a shield to insulate me from potential risk and hazard. Its effects cannot be seen, noticed, or measured by anyone else. Thus it is not an interference.

[Pam]

Here is an interesting observation I noticed as I read post #11. I hadn't read all the posts so I was just skimming the response from JK21. I noticed I found one of the responses that confirmed something I have suspected for a long time and immediately it gave everything else he said a sort of plausibility in my mind, it opened me up to the possibility that this guy might really know something. And why did that happen? Because what he wrote confirmed a suspicion I have had, essentially he agreed with me. This really is a lesson in discernment. Star Mariner you really are good at doing this. I can see how easy it would be to do the whole channeling thing as a scam. You might have a new career on your hands!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Did You See Them: Hi "JK21", In your time what is the "must have" item that everyone has ?
JK21: There is no "must have" item as such. We do not attach value to physical things as much as you do. Your whole society appears to revolve around either protecting what you materially possess, or seeking out what more you wish to materially possess. There is no material "want", so say, in my time, because there is no "lack". People only want when there is lack. The only thing that we potentially lack is fulfilment. What, in ourselves, do we miss? What is absent, what is deficient? Self realization, self-determination – these are our driving imperatives. To answer your question, these are our "must have" items.

[pyrangello]

JK21 , a big welcome from the Avalon Family to our forum :)

Q. I would like to ask as we are now using LED lighting, solar power and wind turbines, will this technology advance even more in the future for the benefit of the people and our earth ?

Q. There are many new innovations happening right now growing food , in the future will many of us grow our own food in our own areas or will the community farms with groups of people become more popular?

Q. Have the prophets from our time Nostrodomous or Edgar Casey ever been followed from our time into your time?

Q. Was the inventor Tesla a time traveler that stayed here on earth?

Q. To stay the course to make humanity and earth a better place for our future for all, is there any advise you can provide for us, again thank you for participating here with Avalon :).Merry Christmas to you in our time!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Mashika: Doesn't our air makes you sick? How do you handle when your air is probably of a very different quality (not sure of better or worse) than ours and what your body is used to
JK21: Pollution is a grave concern. It is very bad in the cities, worse than many believe. I must inject a solution into my system each day that dissolves the toxins that I ingest and absorb, just by being here. I suffer no harm in the short-term. I do not know what long-term exposure would mean. I do not wish to discover. For me, the novelty of this time-frame has worn off. I very much look forward to going home for a rest, and then undertaking a new assignment.

Mashika: How do you avoid bringing back viruses or other bugs that could potentially cause massive uncontrollable devastation? (100 years is a long time, who knows what killer viruses have come and gone that we can't handle)
JK21: There is provision made. Upon my return, a rigorous quarantine process will be conducted. It will not just be biological in nature. There are other forces, other energies too, that I could potentially transfer to my time, which would be very undesirable. I said before that not all the "corruptions" – which you call diseases, infections, ailments, disorders, syndromes – are biological in origin.

Mashika: Can you eat our food? Is your stomach able to handle it? With artificial meat and all sorts of stuff that are coming up now, how different is food 100 years from now and have your body adapted/changed so much that our food could make you sick/kill you?
JK21: I note that three meals a day are common for you in this period, but for me two small meals a day are normal and are sufficient. Attention is given to what I eat. Vegetables, fruits, breads, pulses, is mostly what I consume, dairy only if it is organic. But I do not eat meat. Some people do still eat meat in my time, but it is rare, like a delicacy, and only if the animal that perished to give up its flesh did so naturally. Animals are not herded and harvested for food anymore. Until I arrived, I had never even heard of 'artificial meat'. I found that very strange. I find many things here very, very strange.

Diet is very different. Some of the things I've seen people eating (and the quantities) are truly terrible. And the range and amount of confection available... A lot of the sickness in this time derives purely from the substances people are consuming. Many do not realise this. But a lot will change, and for the better. It will change because the awareness will change.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Just received this PM from a member of the forum, won't say from who:


Star , don't know if this JK is all legit , but its interesting , I'll keep an open mind til the avalon family determines otherwise as they always do.

Had to explain that this is ALL fiction. And it's not my personal 'vision' of the future, what I think it might be or hope it might be. It's just a concept, a completely on-the-spot invention. I am, to use the phrase, just thinking sh!t up. :sun:

But the message is interesting. It implies that if someone hadn't seen the OP, they might actually think this was a true claim, that JK21 was real.

I do want to emphasise though that the merits of these fictions, whatever they amount to, are not representative of my other posts! In those, when I talk about my various experiences, I am NOT making them up. I don't want to get a reputation as a liar. Only here, in this thread, am I deliberately trying to deceive, and fabricate. This is just an experiment. See post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109425-Some-questions-for-any-time-traveler&p=1327513&viewfull=1#post1327513) by Gracy.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Pyrangello: I would like to ask as we are now using LED lighting, solar power and wind turbines, will this technology advance even more in the future for the benefit of the people and our earth ?
JK21: Just as you have today, we have multiple sources of power. But oil, gas, coal, none of those are used in my time. Wind and wave were phased out long ago. Solar is still quite prevalent, because it is inexhaustible power, functions very simply, and is immeasurably more efficient than what you have today. Solar constitutes the majority of power generation for homes. A single panel approximately one meter square is all that's required to power a household indefinitely. There is no power 'grid' as such. Every home, school, restaurant, library, or business powers itself, using this or other independent methods.

Another system, popular for lighting towns and communities, is from piezoelectric pressure pads embedded into all the walking surfaces. These surfaces are not paved with hard stone or tarmac, but with a kind of toughened, rubber matting. I said the cities are designed around the pedestrian rather than the motorist. Every footstep, many thousands every day, charge these piezoelectric pads inside the rubber mats, and they produce all the power necessary for urban illumination.

Pyrangello: There are many new innovations happening right now growing food , in the future will many of us grow our own food in our own areas or will the community farms with groups of people become more popular?
JK21: We still farm, but at a smaller scale. Swathes of land, once given to agriculture, were returned to nature and reforested. Farms are largely automated now, and they are purely arable in nature. They are, as I said, smaller and fewer in number, as there are less people, and so less demand. And people of course grow their own produce. Which they have lots of available space to do. Would it surprise you to learn that the minimum land upon every single household stands is .5 of a hectare? The cities are nearly as large as they are in 2019 (at a fraction of the population), but they are filled with green, open spaces. Lots of parkland, trees, flowers, and lakes.

Pyrangello: Have the prophets from our time Nostrodomous or Edgar Casey ever been followed from our time into your time?
JK21: I am vaguely aware of them, and perhaps there are those who still study their works, but it is not my field, nor something I choose to dwell on. They spent their lives divining the future, I spend mine exploring the past.

Pyrangello: Was the inventor Tesla a time traveler that stayed here on earth?
JK21: No. A brilliant man no doubt, and ahead of his time, but he was of his own time.

Pyrangello: To stay the course to make humanity and earth a better place for our future for all, is there any advise you can provide for us, again thank you for participating here with Avalon .Merry Christmas to you in our time!
JK21: Thank-you, and Merry Christmas to you (it is still a tradition we celebrate). Advice? Always remember, always believe, and always hope. Be the best human being you can be every day. It is only for a short while.

[snoman]

JK21

50°27'3.38" N -3°41'37.27" W

Among the roots of the twelves apostles if you dig a foot down
A gift box from the past, with regards.

but... hang on.. i'll go dig it up before reburying and fill it with your requests if you get this message in time.

[Bill Ryan]

@JK21, here are a couple questions that I find a little hard to understand no claimed time traveler has ever been asked.

We can have a lot of confidence from your testimony that time travel is a reality in your future era. That means that in your time, there must be many time travelers also visiting you from your future. So,

1) What has your society learned from future time travelers visiting you?
2) What problems (or paradoxes) have been encountered, and what regulations are (now, for you) in place to control this?

And, as a corollary:

3) Does your time travel technology permit you to travel to your future, and then return?

[Did You See Them]

@JK21 - Tell me a famous joke from "Your Time" please ?

[Gracy]

Just received this PM from a member of the forum, won't say from who:


Star , don't know if this JK is all legit , but its interesting , I'll keep an open mind til the avalon family determines otherwise as they always do.

Had to explain that this is ALL fiction. And it's not my personal 'vision' of the future, what I think it might be or hope it might be. It's just a concept, a completely on-the-spot invention. I am, to use the phrase, just thinking sh!t up. :sun:

But the message is interesting. It implies that if someone hadn't seen the OP, they might actually think this was a true claim, that JK21 was real.

I'm glad you shared that SM, as imo one function of what we're doing here in this little exercise is precisely aimed at demonstrating how easy it is for someone with a fertile imagination to loosen up their fingers, get behind a key board, and Whalla! Our latest internet sensation.


Ladies and gentleman, I'm a time traveler, and I'm here to answer your questions. Fire away.

ROFL

Once again I think you're doing a GREAT job at this, sometimes when I'm reading some of this bs I actually find my mind wandering off wanting to believe it! I really do think your character JK21 can teach us all things to look for, things that are missing, with hopefully the end game being we see how easily we can be bullsh**ted and tune our discernment skills up a notch or two.

I also want to reemphasize the distinction you so rightly pointed out between Star Mariner, the forum member who truly has had some unusual experiences, and Star Mariner playing the role of supposed time traveler JK21 for us to hopefully learn something from.

And now, I still have a bit of a bone to pick with our buddy JK21. I'm not convinced he's on the up and up yet, I think he's very smart, eloquent, with a deep well of overall knowledge. But I also think he's being a bit dodgy with some of these vague answers, and it's time to get a little more demanding of at least SOME sort of evidence he is who he says he it, lest I stop wasting my time here.



Satori: why should we believe you are a time traveler, as what proof do you have here and now that irrefutably establishes that you are from the future time and place you claim?


Gracy May: is there something you might can share with us to ease the skeptical mind, some sort of proof? I don't know, like maybe some sort of advance technology you brought with you, share some major event on the near horizon that would be sure to get our attention, something along those lines?



JK21So all I have to offer you are my words. They either appeal to your logic, and your intelligence, or they don't. You can believe in them, and use them to benefit your understanding and insight, or you don't. It is entirely up to you.

Hi JK21, the disciple Thomas from the bible keeps popping up in my head. When I was a little girl in Sunday School, he was often times referred to as "Doubting Thomas", and it was always inferred as a bit of a slur because he flat out refused to believe Jesus had risen from the dead until he could actually see and touch his wounds to remove all doubt.

The implied lesson was always that he became a lesser disciple at that point because his logical mind refused to believe a fantastical claim without some kind of real evidence to back it up.

Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with the little demonstration, but then he said something that I think was added in by someone else.


28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

Hmmm, I'm sorry but I have a bit of a problem with that. What you're basically telling me here is very similar to what Jesus supposedly said to poor Thomas, believe without any evidence.

I want to believe time travel is possible, I want to believe that you're a time traveler, but I've seen too many other claims go along the wayside that answered in much the same way, "believe without evidence". I can't do it, can't go there.

2 basic things here.

1. The interference thing. If non interference (in this case interference meaning presenting evidence) is so important, so vital, that even the slightest deviation may cause havoc for our present timeline, then isn't presenting yourself to us as a time traveler in the first place interference?

Suddenly having throngs of people running around believing, and talking about a time traveler in their midst, is going to alter our normal course of events. How is you just being here not interfering with our naturally occurring timeline?

I don't happen to believe that interference on this small of a scale would be that big of a deal, however, if I'm to believe that you can't show me ANYHING as evidence, not even the tiniest shred, then I'm forced to also believe that you just presenting yourself to us in the first place is interference.

You can't have it both ways imo.

2. That aside, if I put myself in the shoes of a time traveler who wants to share, I'm going to foresee some Doubting Thomases out there, and I'm going to think of just the right little tidbit to relieve all doubt. I know I could think of something small, yet compelling to show or tell them, that wouldn't cause any problems beyond presenting myself in the first place.

So again JK21, I really want to believe that I'm in contact with a real live time traveler, jeez I would have SO many questions about our future, but until you can show me some sort of evidence to back up your claim, I'm going to have to raise the red flag and call bs on this one.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Bill: there must be many time travelers also visiting you from your future. So, What has your society learned from future time travelers visiting you?
JK21: If there are travellers from our future visiting 2100, we don't know about them. It is our assumption that the guiding principles of non-interference must still apply. They should always apply. We do not interfere with your time-frame and the natural unfoldment of its resonance, and so they, we suspect, if they exist, do not interfere with ours. We have never detected any such future travellers, and we would expect to if they were present. Our technology monitors time. Its frequencies. It is difficult to explain in terminology you would understand.

An analogy. Imagine a tuning fork. When struck, it emits a stable and predictable acoustic pitch, at a stable and predictable frequency. If the vibration is interrupted, the pitch will be perturbed. We thus monitor the 'pitch' of our own time-facet, so if any agency from outside entered in (we would call this a temporal incursion) we would detect a change in that pitch. There would be a 'perturbation', being a term for this theoretical phenomenon. We have never detected any such perturbations to our specific resonance. We conclude therefore that there are no such outside incursions taking place. It is entirely possible however that future travellers have discovered how to evade detection.

Bill: What problems (or paradoxes) have been encountered, and what regulations are (now, for you) in place to control this?
JK21: A complex matter. Such a question cannot be answered in a sentence.

Paradoxes, as you understand them, are not possible. By their very nature (being impossible), they are not possible. You cannot change, even if you wished to, what has already happened (in the time-stream you occupy). The idea of paradoxes were disproved in the early days of this technology, when the following experiment was conducted. It involved a simple electrical circuit. It was designed to send a signal to itself through a micro-hole (a temporal vortex on the nanometre scale). The signal would travel back in time 1 minute, instructing the circuit, when it reached it, to turn itself off. The paradox, in theory, being, how could a circuit transmit a signal to turn itself off if it was already off 1 minute earlier? This experiment was conducted, and yielded interesting results.

With the first iteration, nothing happened. The circuit successfully transmitted, but received no such signal from the future. Had it done so, the circuit would have shut off 1 minute prior to the experiment beginning. It appeared to be a failure. The experiment was conducted thousands more times, and the results were always the same. Nothing happened. No paradox. It didn't disprove that a temporal excursion was taking place. It was taking place. The temporal displacement was measurable, and definable. It was taking place. The signal was being sent to the past, but it was not being received in the past. This eventuality was anticipated, it was in fact expected by all the scientists present. It merely proved what was already known to be the case.

The explanation is thus. Other time facets (I described facets earlier) parallel to our own were responsible for this effect. In other words, the circuit was never sending signals to itself. It could therefore never receive signals from itself. It was, in the process of sending out a signal, creating a parallel facet, and therefore a parallel self – a parallel self, in a parallel and simultaneous facet of time. You are becoming aware in your time that the act of intention creates the space for that intention to manifest. We all create the realities we experience. This is the same thing. These aren't other 'dimensions' so say, as in parallel universes. That's something else. Unlike those, these other facets of time don't actually exist, except only as a potential, until they are created. It is thus possible to create copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies of facets that repeat infinitely. Like waves across a pond. These are waves of resonance through time. You need only create the pressure to form them, and they form. This is what the circuit was doing. Each time it sent out a signal, it created a new reality and sent the signal to that. This function is defined by non-linear fractal meshing, and it occurs at the quantum source, although that science, and the mathematics that explain it, is still in your future.

All I can further say on the matter is, that paradoxes do not occur within the same facet – that is impossible. When one seeks to change something, the process of changing that something will shift that something to another facet, and it will occur there. If I were to change the flow of my own history, for example if I endeavoured to kill myself as a child, I could achieve that end. But the act of doing so would shift me instantly to another facet of simultaneous time – I would murder myself there, not in the facet in which I am resident. I wouldn't thus indeed be murdering myself, but another self, in another facet, one that I created.

But it must be remembered, no act is without consequence. Murder is still murder. And also, the waves across the pond that you make. To generate a wave a displacement is necessary. Cause and effect always applies. Equal and opposite actions/reactions. It is an unbreakable law. In creating a new resonance, a new reality, you adversely affect the one you presently occupy. It creates a feedback, and severe feedback disrupts the resident facet. I mentioned earlier the strict protocols we employ. Nothing I could do here would adversely affect my time, my flow of history. I could, if I so wished, attempt to change your time, although it would shift me to another facet and it would happen there, not here. But the act of doing so would greatly jeopardise the stability of the initial facet, your resident time-frame. Because of the feedback. Your facet would self-correct and realign eventually, and you'd recover from it, but it's not something we would ever want to do. It would jar the consciousness of every living being, it might even be fatal in some cases. You have heard of déjà vu. That is minor localized realignment taking place. You have also heard of multiple personality disorder. This is a temporal overlap from other self-created facets. Imagine instigating that but many times amplified, and world-wide. I hope I have provided some insight on this matter.

Bill: Does your time travel technology permit you to travel to your future, and then return?
JK21: No, we do not visit the future. That is off-limits. We do not have the same resolution of control in the future that we have when visiting the past. The past is known, its coordinates are stable. Future coordinates are differential, and fluctuate, forever changing as the present unfolds. The future does exist, because all of time already exists. This is hard to explain. One could visit the future, but not with any precision, because the future is only a potential. It would be like walking through a dark doorway. You do not know what is on the other side. It would be dangerous to do. The future is like a fluid. It moves in accordance with the resonance you occupy, and because the resonance you occupy is ever-changing, ever-evolving, the future has no fixed vector. The past, however, because it has already happened, is static. And it is known. We can tap that resonance, measure those exact frequencies, and establish fixed coordinates.

[Frank V]

Paradoxes, as you understand them, are not possible. By their very nature (being impossible), they are not possible. You cannot change, even if you wished to, what has already happened (in the time-stream you occupy). The idea of paradoxes were disproved in the early days of this technology, when the following experiment was conducted. It involved a simple electrical circuit. It was designed to send a signal to itself through a micro-hole (a temporal vortex on the nanometre scale). The signal would travel back in time 1 minute, instructing the circuit, when it reached it, to turn itself off. The paradox, in theory, being, how could a circuit transmit a signal to turn itself off if it was already off 1 minute earlier? This experiment was conducted, and yielded interesting results.

With the first iteration, nothing happened. The circuit successfully transmitted, but received no such signal from the future. Had it done so, the circuit would have shut off 1 minute prior to the experiment beginning. It appeared to be a failure. The experiment was conducted thousands more times, and the results were always the same. Nothing happened. No paradox. It didn't disprove that a temporal excursion was taking place. It was taking place. The temporal displacement was measurable, and definable. It was taking place. The signal was being sent to the past, but it was not being received in the past. This eventuality was anticipated, it was in fact expected by all the scientists present. It merely proved what was already known to be the case.

The explanation is thus. Other time facets (I described facets earlier) parallel to our own were responsible for this effect. In other words, the circuit was never sending signals to itself. It could therefore never receive signals from itself. It was, in the process of sending out a signal, creating a parallel facet, and therefore a parallel self – a parallel self, in a parallel and simultaneous facet of time. You are becoming aware in your time that the act of intention creates the space for that intention to manifest. We all create the realities we experience. This is the same thing. These aren't other 'dimensions' so say, as in parallel universes. That's something else. Unlike those, these other facets of time don't actually exist, except only as a potential, until they are created. It is thus possible to create copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies of facets that repeat infinitely. Like waves across a pond. These are waves of resonance through time. You need only create the pressure to form them, and they form. This is what the circuit was doing. Each time it sent out a signal, it created a new reality and sent the signal to that. This function is defined by non-linear fractal meshing, and it occurs at the quantum source, although that science, and the mathematics that explain it, is still in your future.

All I can further say on the matter is, that paradoxes do not occur within the same facet – that is impossible. When one seeks to change something, the process of changing that something will shift that something to another facet, and it will occur there. If I were to change the flow of my own history, for example if I endeavoured to kill myself as a child, I could achieve that end. But the act of doing so would shift me instantly to another facet of simultaneous time – I would murder myself there, not in the facet in which I am resident. I wouldn't thus indeed be murdering myself, but another self, in another facet, one that I created.

But it must be remembered, no act is without consequence. Murder is still murder. And also, the waves across the pond that you make. To generate a wave a displacement is necessary. Cause and effect always applies. Equal and opposite actions/reactions. It is an unbreakable law. In creating a new resonance, a new reality, you adversely affect the one you presently occupy. It creates a feedback, and severe feedback disrupts the resident facet. I mentioned earlier the strict protocols we employ. Nothing I could do here would adversely affect my time, my flow of history. I could, if I so wished, attempt to change your time, although it would shift me to another facet and it would happen there, not here. But the act of doing so would greatly jeopardise the stability of the initial facet, your resident time-frame. Because of the feedback. Your facet would self-correct and realign eventually, and you'd recover from it, but it's not something we would ever want to do. It would jar the consciousness of every living being, it might even be fatal in some cases. You have heard of déjà vu. That is minor localized realignment taking place. You have also heard of multiple personality disorder. This is a temporal overlap from other self-created facets. Imagine instigating that but many times amplified, and world-wide. I hope I have provided some insight on this matter.

Believe it or not, but the above description is actually pretty close to how it really works ─ not spot on, but pretty close nevertheless. (Don't ask me how I know that. :P)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Did You See Them: Tell me a famous joke from "Your Time" please ?
JK21: I'm bad at remembering jokes, but there is one I heard recently that is specific to my time, but it would need some context. It may not translate. The population of Mars is mostly made up of visitors and tourists from Earth, with a few contractors on short turnarounds. The only permanent residents are indeed the 'official' (and elusive) Martians (still human obviously) - these are generational Martians, and they're quite...patriotic, and they never leave.

A visitor from Earth arrives on Mars for his vacation. He's never been before and he's very excited. Whilst touring Grand Central [the main commercial hub of Atlas, a base there] he stops the first person he sees, shakes his hand enthusiastically and introduces himself. "Thank you Mr. Martian for accepting me on your planet, for this hospitality, for these amazing facilities you've created, and for all the wonderful sights I am going to see!"

The passer by says, "Sorry, friend, I'm from Canada."

The man walks on and soon sees a woman in an elaborate golden dress, enjoying herself at one of the amusements, "Thank you so much for having me on Mars, and for building this wonderful place!"

The women replies, "I'm not Martian, I'm from Korea."

The visitor walks on, past the grav-pit, where a man is leaping and jumping and doing somersaults 10 meters in the air. "Thank you my Martian friend, thank-you, thank-you, thank-you!!"

The man calls over. "Sorry, I am from India, I am not Martian."

The visitor finally sees a lady sipping coffee on the promenade, "Are you a real Martian?"

She says, "No, I'm from Connecticut."

Puzzled, he asks her, "Then where are all the Martians?"

The lady checks the time and says..."Probably at work."

You might not find that funny, but in 2100 (on Earth) that is funny (cruel funny). We shouldn't make fun, but that's what jokes are for. Martians have a tough life, whilst visitors from Earth do not. That's what the joke is about.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Gracy May: If I put myself in the shoes of a time traveler who wants to share, I'm going to foresee some Doubting Thomases out there, and I'm going to think of just the right little tidbit to relieve all doubt.
JK21: A sharp, questioning mind you have, and that is excellent. The points you raise are logical, in so far as that logic reaches, but it misses a vital component. If I desired, or rather needed, my reality to be believed, I could easily provide it, in the shape of solid, indisputable proof. If I was to do that, giving you no choice BUT to believe me, that would be 'enforced interference'.

One traveling, such as myself, does not operate independently. I am indeed part of a team. We are guided by principles, oaths, in turn shaped by fundamental laws that must be honoured. The 'right little titbit to relieve all doubt' could be, would be disastrous.

In denying proof, one is given an "out" so to speak. This is how it works. It is identical to the situation you are presently confronted with in what you call the UFO or extra-terrestrial phenomenon. If they desired, or needed, to be unequivocally accepted as a reality, they could do so with one major sighting over one major city in but a single hour of time. But they do not. That would be interference. It would change the paradigm of the world, instantly. As I could change it instantly, by removing the CHOICE to believe by giving you no choice. But that would impinge upon the free will of millions, and the self-determination of millions, who are NOT ready.

I am presenting information to a sphere in which the conditions are present for hearing or not hearing, believing or not believing, accepting or not accepting, with the deciding factor being consciousness, awareness, understanding, resonance. It is such in your time that everyone is on a different level, a different frequency. It is a mixing pot of awareness on this planet at this time. Not everyone is ready for these greater realities. To impose it upon them [with proofs] would be a gross violation of their right to free will. To individual sovereignty. I understand your doubts, your scepticism, and it is all right. But it can be no other way. Ambiguity is necessary. Those of lesser consciousness must be protected at all costs. They must be afforded a safe exit from the information if that is their choice.

[Bill Ryan]

@JK21, we just recently experienced an exceptionally heavy and prolonged server outage, which you graciously and honestly confessed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24002-Record-of-Server-Outages&p=1327927#post1327927) to accidentally causing. Can you explain how the high energies involved in time travel can accidentally interfere with electronics in 2019?

[Gracy]

While JK21 is getting around to answering Bills question I wanted to briefly interject some observations. I don't know how many people are noticing this as well but, Star Mariner in putting on a clinic in showing us first hand, right out in the open, how anyone with the proper knowledge base, vocabulary, imagination, and a keyboard, can swoop right in and fool an awful lot of unsuspecting people.

It's like when someone shows you how a magic trick is done. Thanks again SM you're awesome! :clapping:

Gracy May: If I put myself in the shoes of a time traveler who wants to share, I'm going to foresee some Doubting Thomases out there, and I'm going to think of just the right little tidbit to relieve all doubt.


JK21I am presenting information to a sphere in which the conditions are present for hearing or not hearing, believing or not believing, accepting or not accepting, with the deciding factor being consciousness, awareness, understanding, resonance. It is such in your time that everyone is on a different level, a different frequency. It is a mixing pot of awareness on this planet at this time. Not everyone is ready for these greater realities. To impose it upon them [with proofs] would be a gross violation of their right to free will. To individual sovereignty. I understand your doubts, your scepticism, and it is all right. But it can be no other way. Ambiguity is necessary.

The above was only part his summation to that particular question. I only posted that short snippet for brevity, but I would encourage anyone interested to scroll up real quick to post 31 read the whole thing, it's really quite good!

Dare I say Shane The Ruiner type good!

So here's the thing. Were this the real, a real live "time traveler" with a following, and not just a really cool member play acting for us, this imposter would have now left me with not a lot more room to keep hounding him with questions.

With little gems like this


To impose it upon them [with proofs] would be a gross violation of their right to free will. To individual sovereignty.

And my favorite lol!


Ambiguity is necessary.

Where the hell do I go from here? That's it, he's flat out telling me that any further questioning is going to be like trying to draw blood from a stone, like grasping at a mirage.

We're just going to continue going round and round doing the weeeeee dance, and me continuing down this path will probably only serve to aggravate everyone else who is oblivious to the deception, and wants to hear more from their latest super hero, not more blah blah blah from little Miss Gracy stick in the mud.

It would be like standing up in the front row of a movie theater, "Down in Front!"

No, in real life this would be it, it's over, time to bow out. This is how I would probably do it.


Alright JK21, obviously I'm just going to keep getting the runaround by continuing to try and get even a SHRED of evidence, that you really are who you say you are. You're obviously very intelligent, articulate, knowledgeable, and most of all imaginative.

But I also think you're full of it. Folks, don't worry I'm outta here, I'm not going to hold up the show any further but, I sure do hope at least some others of you are noticing some of the things that are off with this guy.

I have nothing against him, he's been nothing but friendly and polite, but he's also conning you for whatever reason. Please at least consider what I'm saying in my absence, look for your own lil clues, and stay vigilant.

Gracy out.

EDIT. Almost forgot, I would probably add a suggestion to maybe refer back to the following for a refresher, or if you've never gone there a must read.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material

[Bill Ryan]

I don't know how many people are noticing this as well but, Star Mariner in putting on a clinic in showing us first hand, right out in the open, how anyone with the proper knowledge base, vocabulary, imagination, and a keyboard, can swoop right in and fool an awful lot of unsuspecting people. Exactly. He's doing a really wonderful job. Rather scary! :bigsmile: :P

It has to be a case study on just how easily people can be fooled. Rather like those photoshopped images of weird creatures that are everywhere on the net. We may have to be a little careful here.... members and guests, this is not real! :)

[Kryztian]

Hi JK21! Here are my questions:


What is the balance of power in the world, politically and militarily? Do large nations still create wars for the purpose of regime change for the benefits of the billionaire's, banks and mega-corporations so they can vampirize the nations economy? How has the role of the United Nations changed in establishing war and peace on the planet, or are there other institutions and methods that make this happen?


How do human communicate with each other? Is internet or other types of virtual communication supplanting face-to-face communication? Is telepathy utilized? Have the languages on Earth spoken changed or have some died out?


How has education and learning changed learning for children? and for adults?


Has the relationship between individuals, society and the state changed? Is is more free or more authoritarian? Does the state try to regulate where one can live, what one can eat, what has to be injected into the body (e.g. identity chips, vaccines), what one can think? Do most individuals believe that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunmen or 9/11 was the work of 19 Islamic extremist individuals?


How has the awareness of the average human changed about other life in the universe? Is there more knowledge of who and what is out there? Is there contact with other intelligent life?


How far have humans gone in terms of space exploration? How far from the Earth have probes been sent and messages received? How far have humans traveled from the planet?


What is the population living on planet Earth (currently 7 billion)? How could the increase/decrease between then and now be explained in terms of human reproduction (e.g. how many children the average family/person has), famine, disaster, disease. Are there descendants of 2019 Earth humans living off Earth and if so how many and where?


What are the humans of 2019 doing right and doing wrong that brings about a better or worse state on the planet?


Thanks for your answers! :sun:

[Kryztian]

I don't know how many people are noticing this as well but, Star Mariner in putting on a clinic in showing us first hand, right out in the open, how anyone with the proper knowledge base, vocabulary, imagination, and a keyboard, can swoop right in and fool an awful lot of unsuspecting people. Exactly. He's doing a really wonderful job. Rather scary! :bigsmile: :P

It has to be a case study on just how easily people can be fooled

Just because we are engaging and asking questions, doesn't mean that we are necessarily convinced! We might be asking them to put JK21 to the test, or to see how clever the person behind "JK21" is, or because we think that there still might be some kind of positive, creative outcome to this exercise. :sun:

[Kryztian]

One more thing JK21.

When you read about the blossoming of human consciousness in the early 21st century, you will surely find in your vast archives of history, the story of the "Vilcabamba Renaissance" which began in 2020 with the creation of the Avalon Education Worldwide Broadcasting Network and Avalon University, which were all possible because of huge cash influx from one of this forum's members. Since it is the job of people like you in the future to create a better past, could you also check this vast historical archives for the winning Powerball (https://www.powerball.com/) numbers for December 21st? Don't bother to write a post, just PM them to me. With deepest gratitude, thank you. :heart:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Kryztian: What is the balance of power in the world, politically and militarily? Do large nations still create wars for the purpose of regime change for the benefits of the billionaire's, banks and mega-corporations so they can vampirize the nations economy? How has the role of the United Nations changed in establishing war and peace on the planet, or are there other institutions and methods that make this happen?
JK21: There are multiple intricate questions here, which thankfully I can condense into a straightforward answer. 'Power' in my time, at the beginning of the 22nd century, lies with a distributed governing egalitarian democracy, similar in theory to certain brands of democracy in your own era, but different in function, as the 'power', so say, is not centralized, nor is it financially upheld by petition or sponsorship, and it delivers and honours without fail the prevailing consensus of the people. There are no politicians, and there are no parties. But there are councils (a better word for them might be workshops), representing every sector. There are multiple councils, one on top of the other, from local to provincial to international, and they are made up of conscripted individuals who have each spent a lifetime, in a non-legislative basis, in a given area of noted expertise, whether civil, social, economic, business, health, the general welfare, and so forth. It is analogous to jury-service. Private citizens of every kind may freely interact with the council, and on a temporary basis even sit on it if they desire to do so. No individual has individual power. The power is distributed, evenly and fairly amongst many. It is thus called distributed governance.

There are corporations, and there is an economy, but not banks as you would understand them. There is a body similar to your United Nations, but it is less a political body than merely another council that oversees the cohesion and harmony of the others. There are at times stalemates, disagreements, indeed many challenges. The world is not perfect. It can never be perfect. But there is not want, and therefore there is not need, and therefore there is not war. That dark blemish upon the human soul has been cleansed, with the hope that it may never re-emerge.

Kryztian: How do human communicate with each other? Is internet or other types of virtual communication supplanting face-to-face communication? Is telepathy utilized? Have the languages on Earth spoken changed or have some died out?
JK21: Humans communicate in a manner not far removed from today. Telepathy is known, accepted and recognised as a reality. And though it is a reality, it is not used as widely as you might think. People mostly talk, face-to-face, or by technological means. That is the preferred method, the long-established and most socially accepted method. Telepathy is limited to the confines of one's private life, to family, spouses, loved-ones. It could be said telepathy has not yet reached the 'mainstream', and the wider world of daily communication. Certainly one would not think to use it on a stranger for example. That would be considered presumptuous, impolite. It's difficult to explain.

There still exists a global network of electronic communication. But this is a tool, and it is understood that it is a tool. The present trend of giving so much of one's attention and energy to this tool, what you call the internet, what you call the social medias, what you call video games, will diminish in a time soon to come where people turn more inward for solace and for answers and for truth than gazing outward. You are on the brink of a consciousness revolution. The internet will play a starring role in that revolution, it is already beginning, but the hold of technology will eventually diminish, as the powers (what you call 'tech-giants') who have had a hold on it, will diminish.

Kryztian: How has education and learning changed learning for children? and for adults?
JK21: A very important topic. The education system of 2100 little resembles what you are familiar with today - broadly speaking that is, as the particulars differ from culture to culture, nation to nation. Generally however, the formative years of a child's education are given purely to 'awareness education'. This entails learning to cultivate internal balance and how to cherish it - the soul, the heart, the body, the mind, the spirit, of themselves and most importantly of others. This is considered crucial in order for the child to develop a healthy and balanced approach to life. You may call it spiritual studies, and it includes training in meditation and telepathy. Parallel to these are what are called 'enquiries', which introduces the child to core academic subjects, but at an elementary level. These include the native language and other languages, mathematics, and physical education. The curriculum is not expanded until a child reaches 12 years. For the next 4, he or she is schooled in the humanities, with particular emphasis on humanist studies and history. It is during this period, most importantly, that their talents are brought into being. These are identified early, and nurtured. The child is given every possible guidance during these years to develop their latent talents so they might excel, later in life, in their chosen vocation. Additional academics, such as the sciences, the natures, the civics, AMP (art, music and performance), technology, engineering, medicine, literature, and many more, are not introduced until the age of 18, the age of maturity, where the opportunity is granted to the student, based on their choice, to branch into these and other higher spheres of learning. That is the basis of the education system.

Kryztian: Has the relationship between individuals, society and the state changed? Is is more free or more authoritarian? Does the state try to regulate where one can live, what one can eat, what has to be injected into the body (e.g. identity chips, vaccines), what one can think? Do most individuals believe that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunmen or 9/11 was the work of 19 Islamic extremist individuals?
JK21: Individuals, society, and the state, are all one and the same thing, so they have changed greatly. There are no regulations for what you may eat, what you may say, where you may live, et cetera. Levels of control that determine such lie entirely with the individual. Society regulates itself, because the individuals within society regulate themselves. Self-determination, self-responsibility, is inculcated into the young within the education system, as previously described. If you do not honour yourself, and do not cherish yourself, you will tend to grow up not honouring or cherishing others. Social strifes that arise from the various mental, physical, and spiritual distortions in your society, and from which society has suffered for many centuries, do not occur and are prevented from occurring in my time.

Of the other matters. It is as well-known in my time the particulars of the "JFK" assassination, as it is in your time the particulars of the Abraham Lincoln assassination. Both were conspiracies, as you may well know, but only one was shot by a single assassin. I did not know what "9/11" meant until, in fact, I used your internet to find out. That event, of the 11th of September 2001, is known by another name in my time. And it is very well known, and well-studied and well-discussed. That event is so very vast and multi-layered that all its specifics I could not answer, any more than you could answer all the specifics involved with the Pearl Harbour attack, whose not every specific is indeed yet known to you. I must let it suffice that today, in my time, the real truth is known. It shall emerge, as every truth eventually does.

Kryztian: How has the awareness of the average human changed about other life in the universe? Is there more knowledge of who and what is out there? Is there contact with other intelligent life?
JK21: Awareness of the greater life and the greater reality is certainly very different. The knowledge-base of such subjects are vastly expanded. There are of course still many mysteries, even in 2100. We do not anticipate there shall ever be a time, even in a billion years, should humanity still exist, when there will not be any mysteries. It is indeed true - there are other beings, and there has been contact with these other beings. But I am prohibited from imparting this data, it is not yet time to do so.

Kryztian: How far have humans gone in terms of space exploration? How far from the Earth have probes been sent and messages received? How far have humans traveled from the planet?
JK21: There is a permanent human presence on Mars, and on the Moon. There is also one in the Asteroid Belt. The majority of the mineral wealth in present circulation was extracted from bodies in the Belt. Of these, iron, cobalt, platinum, manganese, copper, and gold, are primary. In recent years the operation expanded, and yet further deposits were discovered and tapped. I do not recall which. But from that operation a new manned facility, and the first in the jovian system, was established on Ganymede two years ago (in my time, 2098). They are mining there too, I believe, and also studying that body. Apparently, and I do not know the details, they are very interested in Ganymede.

Manned vessels have been out much further, but details I cannot discuss at this time.

Kryztian: What is the population living on planet Earth (currently 7 billion)? How could the increase/decrease between then and now be explained in terms of human reproduction (e.g. how many children the average family/person has), famine, disaster, disease. Are there descendants of 2019 Earth humans living off Earth and if so how many and where?
JK21: The current population of Earth is 1.5 billion approximately. There are multiple factors involved to explain why it is so disproportionately different than the population you have today. The very events you name, famine, disaster, disease, and indeed war, have all played a role in the shaping of the 21st century. I cannot tell you, in these posts, that it will all be good news. There will be good news. Much good news. But before it there will be bad news.

Not merely is the population lower in my time, the growth rate of the population is lower. That stems partly from education, and the superior programs that have been implemented to better guide young people into living balanced and responsible lives. The social and economic conditions are also far more conducive to allowing such lives to be led. In 2100 you are given, and have available, almost endless opportunities. It is so that couples who tend to marry do so later in life, and when they choose to have children, they are content, statistically, to have fewer children.

Kryztian: What are the humans of 2019 doing right and doing wrong that brings about a better or worse state on the planet?
JK21: It is interesting, this is the closest anyone has come to asking "why did you come?" That is why. The answer to your question is precisely what I am seeking to discover.

[kfm27917]

Guest editorial, New Seattle Province, June 1, 2915. A fragment of
an ancient digitized file was discovered today during an
archeological dig in the region once known as the American
Northwest. Precise dating of the fragment is uncertain due to bit
corruption, but estimates place it near the beginning of the twentythird century. It appears to be an editorial from the defunct news
service Galactica Today. It reads:
It is difficult to appreciate what it must have been like to live
at the dawn of the twenty-first century. The climate was
spiraling out of control, viral outbreaks were endemic, and
the global economy was failing. The population turned to
demagogues who promised grandiose, unrealistic futures.
As civil order declined, simmering resentments fueled
nationalism and then tribalism, which accelerated the
pandemonium.
It was not until the mid-twenty-first century, with the
crisis in extremis, that hints of a resolution began to appear.
Necessity had cracked entrenched scientific dogmas,
allowing new ideas to be heard. The resulting brainstorms
revealed that the multiple threats were reflections of a
single, underlying dilemma—an impasse that new
technologies could not solve. The challenge was rooted in
humanity’s faulty understanding of consciousness, which, as
we now know, is the fundamental glue that binds the fabric
of reality. This truth was widely scorned in the early twentyfirst century because it evoked age-old fears and
preconceptions about what scientists of the day naively
called magic. It took many generations to advance beyond
those fears.
Historians today agree that the tide turned around the
year 2095, when Hilda Ramirez of Hunan State University
6first conclusively demonstrated the plasticity of physical
reality. Her evidence that the speed of light and other
physical constants were mental constructs, not inviolable
absolutes, provided a clear path to global harmony.
By the mid-twenty-second century, Olga von Diesel’s
theory of quasiholography—known today in the vernacular
as neomagic—firmly placed consciousness on a continuum
with matter and energy. The first genetically enhanced magi
were soon bred, and even as children they were able to
quickly tame extreme weather events. By 2160, the World
Federation of Magi was formed and neomagicians
throughout the world were tasked with restoring the
climate, stabilizing the world economy, and eradicating
disease.
What our heroic predecessors failed to appreciate was one
of the unintended consequences of the popularization of
neomagic, especially among youth. In times past,
adolescents expressed their angst by furtively committing
acts of rebellious art in public places. Such displays—our
ancestors called it graffiti—are found throughout the
historical record, from crude sketches on the walls of the
prehistoric Leang Timpuseng caves in Indonesia to
holographic erotica found on the lower decks of the Titan
Space Station. This teenage “art” has always been a
nuisance, but at least it could be washed away.
Today, with the rise of neomagical graffiti, we face a more
serious problem. Juvenile shenanigans, like the latest fad of
turning streetlamps into multicolored carnivorous flowers,
are no longer mere annoyances. They pose a serious danger
to pedestrians. We must put a stop to this childish behavior
before it threatens the social order….
After this point the record is unreadable, but the concern
expressed is unmistakable. We sympathize with our predecessors
because younger magi today find it hard to believe that only a few
centuries ago most people were blissfully unaware of the power of
consciousness. They lived during dark times when the most
educated minds had convinced themselves, despite an enormous
body of evidence to the contrary, that reality emerged solely from
various forms of energy. Their crude instruments were unable to
7detect the multidimensional tapestry of consciousness. It took
radical advances in theory and the development of the intelligent
noosphere to develop a more comprehensive picture of reality.
We now know that the universe is far more flexible than our
ancestors could have believed, but we continue to face a troubling
conundrum. Rebellious youth persist in carelessly littering the
mindscape with seditious thought-forms. Some even warn that
these new forms of graffiti may be altering history. An example of
that concern involves the famous statue on Liberty Island in New
York harbor. There are clues in the chronological record suggesting
that our much-beloved statue, the Philodendron of Freedom, was
once a large green woman, not the large green plant we’ve prized for
centuries. That we would have honored a statue of a green woman
seems preposterous, but if history is being altered, we’d never know
for sure. In any case, the consequences of changing history are so
dangerous that for the sake of caution we call upon all responsible
elder magi to cast binding spells to put an end to these immature
pranks before they threaten our very existence.

(from the book Real Magic by Dean Radin

[Michi]

@JK21
In your time, Do you do commerce/commercials, ads?
Casinos, banks?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Alright JK21, obviously I'm just going to keep getting the runaround by continuing to try and get even a SHRED of evidence, that you really are who you say you are...

JK21: There is a very great difference between what I am presenting to you and what those you call whistleblowers are presenting to you. My excuse is unique, in that if irrefutable proof was given, it could 'break time'.

I trust you are familiar with the process of cause and effect. There are laws in place that must be honoured. Some are not written laws, but natural laws. These laws exist to govern time, as do laws exist to govern space. It is the same thing, and they amount, unfailingly, to the same thing. Which is cause and effect. I trust you are also familiar with the concept of undesired or at least unforeseen consequences. You must have had occasion, at some point in your life, to withhold information from someone owing to the negative impact that information might have. You will have secrets too, everyone does, that you do not tell for the same reason.

Let me present a scenario. You require evidence, proof of my existence and the reality of my existence as a visitor from a future time. Let us call the nature of this proof, for the sake of argument, 'advanced technology'. Let us say you, or another board member here, puts forward an arranged time and a meeting place where said technology could be demonstrated. What if someone, or, what if you, had designs on seizing that technology for yourself – to perhaps claim my reality as your own, for fame or for material gain? I do not know you. What I do know is, that this poisonous world turns on the schemes of mammon, in that there are those who would stop at nothing, nothing, even attempting to kill me - and without a whit of compunction - to get their hands on advanced technology, whether it is time-travel technology, or anti-gravity technology, or teleportation, or the cure for cancer, or how to turn lead into gold, or et cetera. And if it would not be you, then someone you know, someone you tell. There will always be someone you tell. Or someone they tell. The very least possibility is that, dazzled by the true reality of a visitor from the future and the wonders they possess, the knowledge they possess, followers would gather round, and followers all too soon turn into fanatics. My purpose could not be farther from starting a new religion. But that is a real possibility. You do not know, and could never anticipate, the true dangers posed, what harm could potentially be done, even by a well-meaning act.

I could present yet another, even more dramatic, scenario. The intervention of 'a power', a force, an outside agency – those who watch and monitor. This board is watched and monitored. You would be watched, monitored, and followed if ever we came to meet. And even if you did me no wrong, and had no intention of doing me wrong, do not doubt that you would be putting yourself in great danger. I would protect you, but I am not in 2019 forever. When I am gone they would seize you, question you, even torture you, for what you heard, what you saw, and what you learned. Cause and effect. Sometimes one cause can lead to many, many effects. My leading directive is to eliminates causes, and so prevent any effects.

Thus, in my refusing to provide you with a glimpse of 'proof', you will get to sleep in your own bed tonight – still wondering perhaps, and doubting maybe, but you will be safe.

If laws are insufficient, and consequences insufficient, there is also social conscience to consider. I have travelled 81 years back in time. Let us say you travelled 81 years back in time. It would be 1938. Your only purpose there was to learn of that time and see that time. Its people, its culture, its history, for the purpose of research and understanding. Whilst there, perhaps, you proceed to engage with the resident population, and present to them a story of the future to be. The goal: to lend assurance, insight, to add some meaning to their lives in telling them where the world is going. You would give them messages of hope, laced with a sense of wonder perhaps, to brighten up what are dark times for them. But would you tell them, during this discourse, that the most terrible war the world had ever known was about to begin? That millions are soon to die? Would you tell them the near future would bring them terrorism, poverty, crime, atomic bombs, and so forth? Would you give them dates, times, places, details? Or would you just tell them, simply, that no matter how dark it is going to get, that light would come? That it was going to be all right? Perhaps they too would ask you for 'proof'. Would you give it? Would you hand them a cellular telephone to look at? ...How long do you think you might live being in possession of such? And once you have been killed for it, and that would likely chance, how long would it be before the presence of a cellular phone in 1938 did irreversible damage to the resonance of that time?

When one travels in time, one has reached a level of understanding that knows these things, anticipates these things, and mitigates for these things. One does not qualify to participate in these programs otherwise. You do not become an astronaut until you have completed years and years of study, of training, of conditioning, in the physical, mental, technical, and many such other strains of preparation. It is the same for time-travel. Identical. I studied and prepared for 7 long years before I even stepped near a time portal. I have now been doing this for 20 years. I have embarked on 11 excursions, to 11 different periods, and have lived an aggregated period of 4 years of my life in those different periods. I know time, I perceive time, I have touched time. I know what can happen in time. Sometimes very bad things.

You require proof, evidence, something tangible, for seemingly the written word is not enough. I therefore provide a projection. It is against my best judgement, but it is within the boundaries of what is acceptable. In the year to come there will be 3 major world disasters. I cannot provide specifics, and will answer no questions that appeal for specifics. I will say only that one of these disasters will be volcanic. I realise such occurrences are relatively frequent, but this one will be severe. Historically severe.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Michi: In your time, Do you do commerce/commercials, ads? Casinos, banks?

JK21: There is commerce, trade, and an economic system. It's based on the exchange of goods, assets, and raw materials. It is a far less complex system than your own. There are no stocks, shares, or indexes that fluctuate up and down, and thus there are no means by which such a system can be played for vast material gain. It is relatively archaic method by your standards, but it is a pure method, where various goods and services are bartered on a mutual supply and demand basis, between people, communities, provinces, nations, and now, even planets (Mars). Since there is more than enough supply to meet every demand, everyone has what they need. The particulars involve mostly striking an agreement for an exchange of goods, then coordinating the timely transportation of those goods from one place to another. There is little more to it than that. It is important to understand, that because everyone has what they need, there is no need, which means that any incentive to 'covet', and in so doing steal, exploit, or cheat, does not exist.

Rather than banks, there are reserves, depositories, where materials are kept that are in excess of the current demand. The private citizen has no need of a bank, because there is no money. One's inherent talents, gifts, capabilities, is the only currency in town, so to speak. Bringing those talents to bear, and rendering a service to society to the best of your ability, in whatever field that may be, earns you the only wage you will ever need. It guarantees you automatic access to food, clothing, housing, and such. You might liken that to communism, but it is not at all the same. In communism there is wealth, but it is appropriated wealth and it is hidden from the people, with those people kept in poverty. In our world the only wealth that exists is what each of us have in our hearts and in our spirits, and that is not hidden or withheld but freely and openly given. People lead vibrant, productive lives. And not static lives; advancement is always possible. Whatever you contribute, you will be compensated proportionately. But so long as you contribute something, you will have all that you need.

There are sports and there are games, there are halls of amusements and even amusement parks, especially for the young people. But there are no casinos, no slot machines, no tables for dice, or roulette wheels. I have been to your Las Vegas and it was fascinating and terrible. In 2100 there is nothing that even closely resembles it. Because gambling is all about money, and we have none.

Advertising, thankfully, does not exist either. In 2019 I find myself, wherever I go, forever bombarded with advertising. If in my time you have need of something, you ask for it, knowing that it is available, and it is simply provided. Again, it is money that drives advertising, the imperative being to drum up as much business as possible and so derive, from you the consumer, as much profit as possible. In the future, a brand, a firm, a manufacturer, will not be driven by profit, but by the promise of professional excellence. If there is any advertising at all, it is by word of mouth, that this company or that business provides the superior service, produces the superior product. This would spur the less favourable company or business to provide a better service or better product. So healthy competition, of a kind, still exists, but it is not nearly so aggressive as it is today.

[Gracy]

You require proof, evidence, something tangible, for seemingly the written word is not enough. I therefore provide a projection. It is against my best judgement, but it is within the boundaries of what is acceptable. In the year to come there will be 3 major world disasters. I cannot provide specifics, and will answer no questions that appeal for specifics. I will say only that one of these disasters will be volcanic. I realise such occurrences are relatively frequent, but this one will be severe. Historically severe.

Okay thank you! That will do, why did we have to weave our way all through the politician like word salad buffet bar, in order to finally get to the point of my very basic question? Now you mention WW2 as an example in your scenario to me, so without any more questions, when you say 3 major world disasters will occur in the next year, one being volcanic, I'm going to be looking for incidents along the lines of a Pompeii, and major world war type of magnitude.

See you in one year.

Now so far as how I would handle being a time traveler? I would never make any claims, I might share the knowledge gained from my life experience like a grandparent giving sound, and hard won advice to a young grand child.

No need to go into the details, just humbly share in the best way they might understand, and lay low. After all it's not about me, it's about them right?

[Mashika]

Mashika: Doesn't our air makes you sick? How do you handle when your air is probably of a very different quality (not sure of better or worse) than ours and what your body is used to
JK21: Pollution is a grave concern. It is very bad in the cities, worse than many believe. I must inject a solution into my system each day that dissolves the toxins that I ingest and absorb, just by being here. I suffer no harm in the short-term. I do not know what long-term exposure would mean. I do not wish to discover. For me, the novelty of this time-frame has worn off. I very much look forward to going home for a rest, and then undertaking a new assignment.

Mashika: How do you avoid bringing back viruses or other bugs that could potentially cause massive uncontrollable devastation? (100 years is a long time, who knows what killer viruses have come and gone that we can't handle)
JK21: There is provision made. Upon my return, a rigorous quarantine process will be conducted. It will not just be biological in nature. There are other forces, other energies too, that I could potentially transfer to my time, which would be very undesirable. I said before that not all the "corruptions" – which you call diseases, infections, ailments, disorders, syndromes – are biological in origin.

Mashika: Can you eat our food? Is your stomach able to handle it? With artificial meat and all sorts of stuff that are coming up now, how different is food 100 years from now and have your body adapted/changed so much that our food could make you sick/kill you?
JK21: I note that three meals a day are common for you in this period, but for me two small meals a day are normal and are sufficient. Attention is given to what I eat. Vegetables, fruits, breads, pulses, is mostly what I consume, dairy only if it is organic. But I do not eat meat. Some people do still eat meat in my time, but it is rare, like a delicacy, and only if the animal that perished to give up its flesh did so naturally. Animals are not herded and harvested for food anymore. Until I arrived, I had never even heard of 'artificial meat'. I found that very strange. I find many things here very, very strange.

Diet is very different. Some of the things I've seen people eating (and the quantities) are truly terrible. And the range and amount of confection available... A lot of the sickness in this time derives purely from the substances people are consuming. Many do not realise this. But a lot will change, and for the better. It will change because the awareness will change.

I believe my bad English caused a confusion here. On my second question, it was actually about how do you prevent bringing viruses/bacteria from the future into our present. No quarantine could prevent that and there must be a complicated technical process as to how someone who lives around bacteria and may interact with viruses that your body can handle but we can't can travel back to our time, without risking causing a massive pandemic event.

How that would be prevented?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Mashika: I believe my bad English caused a confusion here. On my second question, it was actually about how do you prevent bringing viruses/bacteria from the future into our present. No quarantine could prevent that and there must be a complicated technical process as to how someone who lives around bacteria and may interact with viruses that your body can handle but we can't can travel back to our time, without risking causing a massive pandemic event. How that would be prevented?
JK21: In the first instance, the environment from which I come is much cleaner than it is today. Viral and bacterial threats are far less a concern for us than for you today. But it is a good question. I was sterilized, thoroughly and automatically by way of a bio-filtration particle scan prior to entering your time. It is more to create a blueprint, a benchmark of my bodily condition, so that when I return it can be re-aligned to exactly match the condition of when I left. It is to ensure I do not bring any contamination with me from the past. That includes toxicity of any kind, including radioactive - which has once occurred for me, and it required extensive cellular reconstruction. The process is preventative too, to answer your question. If I were to be carrying anything infectious, it would be detected, and appropriate protocols enacted. So you do not need to worry.

We have a more advanced understanding of microbiology than you do today. We have a comprehensive database, you might call it, of all biological contaminants reaching back through time. We know how such contaminants function, how they interact, how they are communicated, and how they have mutated in that time. If it were necessary, we could back-engineer the DNA of a bacterium in 2100 to match exactly its genetic condition in 2019, so there would be no cross-contamination. Rest assured, every effort is taken to mitigate the exchange of harmful contaminants, pollutants, and micro-organisms from being introduced from one time into another. And anything potentially pathogenic is safely neutralized by shutting off its ability to replicate.

[Michi]

The given future timeline would only be possible by clearing the dramatizations of man.

The current course however shows no widespread implementation of such.
The contrary is true: Continued efforts go in the direction to impose more rules on man so he doesn't step out of lines.

Additionally he is being tamed to agree to things without inspection.

Every being entering this earth plane is affected by amnesia and has to "learn" from parents and friends who often are dramatizing their own past and in the best case (unwillingly) giving infants nonsense data and beliefs.

The only way then to have a somewhat sane civilization on this earth plane would be by:


a: clearing past hidden traumatic incidents (for example past live regressions)
b: sane education with true data on how the mind and spirit works from an early age on;
this education must be in such a way to teach in the same time discernment and and logic and grant the student full self-determination to decide himself, whether the data is true or not for him;
c: ethical and responsible social interaction based on reason (and not because of rules or conditioning)

So - the only way to have your portrayed fairy tale taking form would be either by the above steps (a,b,c) or a sudden removal of all amnesia and past trauma. (a miracle)

Over and out.:Angel:

btw. b and c only won't cut it.

[Bill Ryan]

Three related questions for JK21. All about what happens if you were to try to do or change something major when you're back in our time, now.

1) I know this is real :), but some fictional time travel stories suggest that no matter how much a time traveler tries to change something having gone back in time, they just can't manage to do it, because something inexplicably always goes wrong.

2) Other stories (like Ray Bradbury's classic A Sound of Thunder) suggest that even a tiny 'Butterfly Effect' change can 'domino' outwards to cause far more major changes many years later.

3) And a third theory is that a major change just creates a timeline split. So when you 'kill your grandfather' (metaphorically, I hope), and then return to your own time, nothing will have changed: however, the action simply created another parallel universe branch where things are different in that different timeline.

Which of these applies in reality?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Three related questions for JK21. All about what happens if you were to try to do or change something major when you're back in our time, now.

1) I know this is real :), but some fictional time travel stories suggest that no matter how much a time traveler tries to change something having gone back in time, they just can't manage to do it, because something inexplicably always goes wrong.

2) Other stories (like Ray Bradbury's classic A Sound of Thunder) suggest that even a tiny 'Butterfly Effect' change can 'domino' outwards to cause far more major changes many years later.

3) And a third theory is that a major change just creates a timeline split. So when you 'kill your grandfather' (metaphorically, I hope), and then return to your own time, nothing will have changed: however, the action simply created another parallel universe branch where things are different in that different timeline.

Which of these applies in reality?

JK21: When you attempt to change something major in the past, something that would constitute a paradox, you introduce a perturbation, a reverberation, in the time-stream. What results is an echo, a branching-off of. The process is analogous to creating a new branch of a river. The event that you would call a paradox would happen on that river, flowing vaguely parallel to the first (which would remain unaffected). I described paradoxes and the fallacy of paradoxes in a previous post, but the reality generally tallies with your third theory, in that introducing conditions for a paradox to occur will offset the resonance of the time-line, and create a split, and thus a new time-line (new river). My very presence in this time, being so say an 'anachronism', has not created a new timeline. Anything you observe you do change, and I am observing, thus I am changing. But this is allowed, because my presence is not creating a paradox.

[Frank V]

If I may answer this question seriously now, independent from the role playing game on this thread... ;)


3) And a third theory is that a major change just creates a timeline split. So when you 'kill your grandfather' (metaphorically, I hope), and then return to your own time, nothing will have changed: however, the action simply created another parallel universe branch where things are different in that different timeline.

The first part of that supposition is correct. By going back in time and changing the timeline, you are creating a new, separate timeline, and nothing will have changed on the original timeline whence you departed, other than that you'll be missing for a while.

But here's the catch... There are two possibilities...



You could now be stuck on that timeline, in the time frame from the past that you chose to travel to, and you can never return to where and when you came from. On the timeline that you departed from, you have now gone missing, forever.




If you do manage to make it back to your original timeline ─ which will be a whole lot more difficult than creating a different timeline by altering the past ─ then this alternate timeline will cease to exist as soon as you make it back to your starting point. And the reason for that is simple: we are all individual as souls, but there is only one consciousness, and it dwells in all of us. It is in a manner of speaking taking turns at being each and every living thing, and because spacetime is an illusion, we can all exist side by side as individuals and experience the dichotomy of the Self and the Other.

As such, when you created the alternate timeline, only you were on that timeline, and only you are thus aware what happened there. So when you return to your original timeline and time frame, that other reality will cease to exist, and all you have of it are your memories. No one else but you ─ read: the fragment of creator consciousness that dwells in you ─ knows what happened there, and whatever changes you imparted to that alternate timeline (including its creation) have no effect on your original (and once again current) timeline.

Now, one could posit the question, "What if I didn't go alone? What if I took two witnesses with me to the past?" Well, then it's still the same thing, although increasing the number of players also increases the entropy, which would make it even more difficult to return to your original spacetime coordinates. But if you do make it back, all three of you ─ and this is an absolute requisite ─ then only the three of you will have experienced that alternate timeline, and given that you've made it back "home", the alternate timeline ceases to exist.

Now, what if only one or two of the three of you make it back? In that case, the alternate timeline will continue to exist for the one(s) staying behind while the others return "home". And as soon as the person(s) who stayed behind has/have died, the alternate timeline itself will cease to exist once again.


:)

[Gracy]

That's pretty good Aragorn! You got a link for any of that, or are you the link?

[Frank V]

That's pretty good Aragorn! You got a link for any of that, or are you the link?

I'm afraid I am the link, yes. :p See, it ties in closely with the nature of consciousness and the creation of reality, and those are things I am very intimately connected to. :)

[Gracy]

That's pretty good Aragorn! You got a link for any of that, or are you the link?

I'm afraid I am the link, yes. :p See, it ties in closely with the nature of consciousness and the creation of reality, and those are things I am very intimately connected to. :)

Alrighty then, I hereby draft Aragorn to be our next time traveler, should he agree to of course, if/when Star Mariner ever decide he's had enough of being on the hot seat.

Seriously.

[Frank V]

That's pretty good Aragorn! You got a link for any of that, or are you the link?

I'm afraid I am the link, yes. :p See, it ties in closely with the nature of consciousness and the creation of reality, and those are things I am very intimately connected to. :)

Alrighty then, I hereby draft Aragorn to be our next time traveler, should he agree to of course, if/when Star Mariner ever decide he's had enough of being on the hot seat.

Seriously.

You wouldn't like my report on what the future supposedly looks like, Gracy. ;)

Don't get me wrong, though. I do like the positive ─ and actually, quite inspiring ─ description of the future Star Mariner gives us, because I believe our politicians and industry leaders could actually learn something from what he writes. As an amateur sci-fi/fantasy writer ─ who never published anything ─ I have described a (not identical but similar) vision of society for an extraterrestrial (or more correctly, extragalactic) civilization in a sci-fi novel I was working on, now almost nine years ago.

However, in my humble and disappointing opinion, that's not what the future is going to be like, and mankind still has a very, very long way to go before it ever reaches such a state of enlightenment. I don't see human consciousness evolving in a positive way ─ on the contrary, consciousness levels (and IQ levels) seem to be dropping every year ─ and I see more and more violence, territorialism, intolerance and psychopathy in the news every day. I see Donald Trump laying a claim on space. I see Google laying a claim on the entire internet. I see figures of authority no longer hiding the fact that they're toying around with us, because nothing can touch them anymore, and they know, so they don't even need to pussyfoot around it anymore.

I see the climate going south ─ to whatever extent mankind has contributed and would still be contributing to that ─ and I see the interests of the few taking precedence over the interests of the many. I'll give you an example. It had been a long time since there had been any wolves in the wild in Belgium. There have always been wolves in France and Germany, but not here. And now that they're timidly beginning to show up again, people are shooting them "because they kill our sheep/chickens", although shooting them is illegal, so the shooters remain anonymous. They just write an anonymous letter to a newspaper to report that they shot a wolf.

I see banks being bailed out with the people's money, and then the next year, their CEO is granted a €600'000 bonus ─ that's "bonus", not "salary". I see politicians still failing to understand that their job is to represent the people, not to enjoy their overpaid careers. I see one million Euro being wasted every month purely for the biweekly relocation of the European Parliament between Brussels and Frankfurt ─ it's already better now, because they used to do it every week.

And meanwhile disabled people like myself have to struggle to make ends meet ─ I just got my Christmas present from the Federal Tax Department: I have to pay €526 Euro for living in an apartment that I bought from my inheritance. Likewise, in May I will have to pay over €400 to be able to drive the car that I paid for (and that I paid a 10% registration tax on when I bought it, now almost 14 years ago), and which I have to fill up with fuel of which more than half is comprised of taxes, and which I must have insured (upon which I must pay taxes again). Hey, it's austerity. Except for politicians and the employees of banks, because they got a raise.

And in spite of all the problems, I see the people here in the Flanders becoming more polarized to the political far-right all the time. I'm not kidding ─ many of the members of the largest political party in the Flanders are the ideological descendants of the Flemish-nationalist Nazi collaborators from World War II, who sought to unite with the Nazis in order to rid themselves of the then francophone domination of the country.

At the same time, the left-wing parties are responding to the far-right with inconsiderate knee-jerks and an "arms wide open" attitude toward immigrants. They don't really care about those immigrants, but they use them as political leverage. And as a result, more than 75% of the population of our highest-security prison facilities is comprised of naturalized foreigners ─ mainly North Africans and Turks with ties to the Grey Wolves, a far-right terrorist group in Turkey.

Belgium is the size of a handkerchief, but we've got just about as many politicians as the whole of the USA, and a very complex political system that virtually nobody understands anymore. And being only the size of a handkerchief has caused some of our politicians to develop an inferiority complex, so that our government always makes sure that Belgium is among the first to partake in whatever grandiose operation. Billions of Euros are going to "developing nations" ─ read: mainly our former colonies, currently led by dictators, who put that money into their own pockets ─ and we've just bought a whole contingent of F-35 jet fighters from the USA, so that we can help fight the US Empire's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes, we're still there, and we were never even supposed to be in Iraq, because our government had officially denounced the US invasion of Iraq under G.W. Bush. We've got our Special Forces there, and our Air Force is there too. And it's not about logistics support. We're dropping bombs over there.

That's the world I see around me. And I see things getting worse and worse every day, with no realistic hope that mankind is going to "see the light" any time soon. You might as well start explaining the principles of quantum physics to a mushroom. Intelligence is dropping, social awareness is dropping. Narcissism and psychopathy are on the rise ─ because narcissists and psychopaths make great salespeople and great business leaders.

So yeah, my depiction of the future would be very, very grim, and would with almost certainty be aligned with director Paul Verhoeven's dystopian idea of the future in movies like "Robocop" and "Total Recall": corporate fascism and social chaos.

:unsure:

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Being another Flemish individual in Belgium, I can only agree with what Aragorn wrote above. I have experienced the "dumbing down" of the future population, mainly by influencing our studying kids. I was a teacher for a while and I just had to leave, I could not stand the incredible arrogance and narcissistic tendencies of so many so-called "teachers" and school principals. No wonder the young people become like self-serving automaton-like persons. There are a few exceptions, but often these get bullied and pestered, to the point that some of them commit suicide.

Which doesn't mean I and we shouldn't try to strive for the positive (future) in whatever way we can. Regardless of the result we may have, doing just that is the best anyone of us càn do, and so many here on PA are the proof that it is possible to live that way, though I know it is extremely challenging.

[Gracy]

So yeah, my depiction of the future would be very, very grim, and would with almost certainty be aligned with director Paul Verhoeven's dystopian idea of the future in movies like "Robocop" and "Total Recall": corporate fascism and social chaos.

:unsure:

Hey, variety is the spice of life.

I happen to see our present day world leading to a future similar to yours Aragorn (my version may even sprinkle a bit of Idiocracy on top just for flavor), but I see no reason why every fake time traveler that comes down the pike has to have some grand, utopian type of story to tell.

Hee hee, maybe I wouldn't even hassle you TOO much over proving who you say you are. :)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

So yeah, my depiction of the future would be very, very grim, and would with almost certainty be aligned with director Paul Verhoeven's dystopian idea of the future in movies like "Robocop" and "Total Recall": corporate fascism and social chaos.

Unfortunately, I see a similar future, but without the social chaos. The leash will tighten to such an extent that chaos will be eliminated. I see humanity being dumbed down to the level of little more than a compliant, programmed biological worker-robot serving a privileged elite.

But are we, collectively, restricted to just one expression of reality? In my heart of hearts I know that a portion of humanity, the awake portion, however many that is, will never give themselves to that future. Never. I include the members of Avalon among that number. Whether it's in this life, or future incarnations to be. So what happens to us and people like us?

Maybe, and just saying maybe, they would incarnate into another reality, one better suited to their vibration and the experiences they seek to have. I'm more hopeful, because I don't think there has to be just one Earth-reality, just one version of human civilization. I know it sounds totally woo-woo, but maybe the future you project will not be the only future. Maybe time-lines can split, do split, and one can be very different than the other. Is that not possible in a universe of endless possibility?

[Bill Ryan]

Here's one from a cricket follower. Which nations still play cricket in 2100? What forms of the game are popular? Or is it even played at all 80 years from now?

[Mashika]

Something i would like to know is, what happens to all forums such as Avalon and others, are those still around in some form or another?

What happened to all the information being archived here and in the other forums? Was it worth it in the end? Did it help forming a better future?

Do we look naive and dumb in our assumptions or perspective of things, when you look back from a future with answers to things we don't have a clue about?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Bill: Here's one from a cricket follower. Which nations still play cricket in 2100? What forms of the game are popular? Or is it even played at all 80 years from now?

JK21: It is played very widely. Cricket, soccer, hockey, baseball, golf, and the various racket sports including tennis and badminton, are among the most popular sports. The more physical contact sports are not so dominant, and combat sports such as boxing do not exist. I cannot tell how sport operates in detail, or what rules have changed (I would expect differences), as it is not something I know about specifically. I do know that the United States has a cricket team, and it has recorded many successes. I believe it is second only to China (at present). There is still a world cup, but that is contested by continents rather than the individual countries. North America won the last competition, defeating Asia, I believe, by 4 games to 3.

It should be understood however that in my time sport operates quite differently. In 2019, the purpose of sport as a global industry is not to entertain the public, or engender public health through physical activity, but to distract the masses, and most chiefly to generate revenue (vast sums) for a variety of financial interests, and not all of them good, not all of them benefiting the people. You would call it laundering. Sport is a front behind which such illegal endeavours are quietly achieved. It is endemic, and not widely known (yet).

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Mashika: Something i would like to know is, what happens to all forums such as Avalon and others, are those still around in some form or another?

What happened to all the information being archived here and in the other forums? Was it worth it in the end? Did it help forming a better future?

Do we look naive and dumb in our assumptions or perspective of things, when you look back from a future with answers to things we don't have a clue about?

JK21: It's interesting. Because ask yourself, what other forums have I posted on? None. Who else have I shared this information with? No one. So why AM I here? This forum is an important place, and its importance will only continue to grow. How, why and to what extent is one of the reasons I am here - to learn the particulars thereof. I do not mean simply here on this forum, but here in 2019. What do I mean?

I will tell you a short story.

In the near future, relatively speaking – let us say 'mid-21st century' – there was, according to records, a migration from earth to space of a group of people. A particular community of people, a few hundreds in number. This was different however to the official colonization program, which settled the Moon and Mars. No, this was quite different. This group was guided, assisted. They certainly did not build their own spaceship. Who was assisting and who was guiding we do not know. We suspect 'they', whoever they are, belong to the outside. Something not of the earth.

For a long time no one knew what had happened to these missing hundreds (or, where were they taken). At last, a few years ago, an answer. They were discovered living in a distant system, on a small beautiful planet. In three beautiful cities they dwelt, in the lush northern hemisphere. The name of that planet, given to it by its inhabitants, which may or may not be a coincidence, was Avalon.

Interesting, isn't it.

I'm here to investigate the beginnings of this group.

[amor]

Star Mariner, you are good at this. Are you sure you belong here????

[JackMcThorn]

This was a really interesting read; ironically, Star Mariner doesn't seem influenced by main stream Time Travel entertainment. I think some of his answers are typical and some are vague, but I understand his justifications and I would be too influenced by my immersion in the entertainment aspects of time travel; nor would I have the patience for so many questions. A few of my favourites answer many of these questions.

H.G. Wells 'The Time Machine' was published in 1895 and is a must read. Not to mention Doctor Who, or the Star Trek Temporal Agency. There are rules and protections for the observer; however, Doctor Who routinely protects the earth from extra-terrestrial adversaries and often affects the timeline. The TARDIS protects him and his companions from any biological issues regarding illness or viruses and consequently the time and space they are visiting.

One of the scariest movies regarding time travel imo, is Looper. Absolutely terrifying the negative aspects of time travel. What people are willing to do to achieve horrifying goals.

I find as I observe old photographs, that the common denominator is people are people. Most everything changes around people and many people resist change. They tend to have the same ideals, goals, and experiences over time. History repeats itself a little too often, imo and you can see the past in the present. You can also drive the future from the present; as all decisions are made in the present.

One of my favourite futuristic movies is Gattaca. Brilliant from 1997.

As much as I am a fan of time travel, humanity isn't ready for it. We are still taking baby steps in Space.