Our health is at stake...

[East Sun]

If we were actually a govt. of the people we would never agree to the
likes of Monsanto poisoning us, the citizens of the USA and the world at large.

Where is the disconnect? We say we know but can not even protect ourselves.
Why is that?

This is a logical question?
Can anyone give me a logical answer.

[Bill Ryan]

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channeling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

[East Sun]

Thank you , Bill

We have seen in the past people telling us that the water, food and air and every
thing possible is being polluted.

They will stop at nothing to keep control of us, but we are becoming aware more
and more. And when we do, watch out for here we come and they are GONE!

[EFO]

What we know for know and worth watching only 17 minutes of your time:

HOW YOUR FOOD IS BEING MANIPULATED AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.

WQ5nwMqyvvHE/

[Victoria]

This is in response both to your desperation for action, East Sun, and to your clarity of thought while in the supermarket, Bill. 

In 2009, I worked with an  acronym agency couple who would throw soirees with South American officials and big name state department employees. The purpose of their invitations was to discuss an unfurling project to infiltrate the health food markets of the Americas; to buy out the mom and pop stores that sold health food, to buy Whole Foods and all the natural food chains in North and South America as a first step to closing them down, while replacing the ingredients and available foods being marketed as healthy.

This was in conjunction with bidding for a contract to track global health (death rates) on a one stop, hand-held, secure device that would access and link all government health records of every registered person globally, using iris scan and finger print technology...basically your life story in seconds at any health officials' fingertips.

When they were coming up with a logo for their product to track, record and instantly transmit the increasing health problems and mounting deaths world wide, which included linking all of a person's private health, psychological, education and insurance files with other detailed information about each individual, their initial choice was, "Information at the speed of Life." It evolved into something else and I don't know if they ever got the bid...but everybody I tried to share this with since then has just rolled their eyes at me, or shrugged their shoulders with the equivalent of, "so?" or "That's old news, it will never happen."   Frustrating for me, because at the time, it was not old or common news.

Even after Amazon bought out Whole Foods and other things have come to pass, whether I speak with health conscious colonels or MIT scientists now, there is so little interest or response to the selling of our privacy, our options, our rights and well being to big pharma, government agencies and Monsanto... that it is beyond depressing.

Ironically, while planning to destroy common people's access to marketplace healthy food, this couple had a mid-city, fully self-sustainable property and owned an "organic" island in Jamaica where more than a few stars have enjoyed R & R over the years.

[rgray222]

Where is the disconnect?  We say we know but can not even protect ourselves.
Why is that?

This is a logical question?
Can anyone give me a logical answer.
 

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channelling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

I have had almost exactly the same thought for quite some time. When I have been in Walmart food stores I am shocked not necessarily at the plastics but the quantity and the quality of food that is on offer. It would almost be impossible to maintain a healthy diet, a healthy weight and a healthy lifestyle if Walmart is the only place you shop.  Process foods loaded with sugar. I think the average human does not stand a chance unless they wake up.

Watching American football is another scary experience. Virtually 90%+ of the professionally produced advertisements are for alcohol, junk food and fast-food restaurants. The other 10% are for outrageously expensive cars. These ads are aimed at the young. They are specifically targeted, funny and have a call to action.  I saw an ad during a football game showing two young men sitting on a sofa drinking beer while eating breakfast. It is beyond appalling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGP67Du5GME
Here is an ad for gin that links it to meditation, healthy food, healthy lifestyle and celebrity. Again, creatively deceptive and manipulative to the point of being deadly. Sadly most people think it is cute and creative.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDCH6SiMgo
It almost seems like people don't stand a chance and that the odds are stacked against them but that is precisely the mindset they want you to have. "The mountain is so high why should I even bother to try." This feeling you must fight because the truth is the odds are stacked against them and they are scared to death of the power of the people.

So what is the answer? Can we change things and if so how do we go about it.
Anger is a good first step, it is also a strong motivational force but anger and hate are unsustainable so it must be channelled into something positive.

First off wanting or waiting for the government to make positive change is (for the most part) inefficient use of our time and energy. Yes, the government can do some good but that rarely is the way things get done.

It is up to each and every person to make personal changes in their life. Virtually everything in our lives that is good comes with effort. It takes effort to eat healthily, lose 40 lbs, become a doctor, stop smoking, to think, to become an expert in any field, to maintain a healthy lifestyle, to be kind, cut down on consumption and waste and discourage others from using products that are killing us.

At times (probably most of the time) it seems like it is a never-ending battle and it appears to be an impossible task but I assure you it is winnable and worth the effort.

Also something worth noting is that it does not take the majority of people to force change for the better on corporations, governments or society. It takes about 10-15% of the population to wake up and change their own lives. Governments and society will follow when this critical tipping point is achieved.

[happyuk]

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channeling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

And as for the supposedly fresh fruit and veg, here is a description of the 'farming' methods used by an agri-business (note: not farmer) on the Essex coast, described in the Farmer and Stock Breeder, July 20th 1974.


'This is what happens. Straw burning starts as soon as there is a safe space behind the combines at harvest. Then a 145 hp County 1454 goes in with a heavy 3-tine Doe-type cultivator to pan-bust down to 14-15 inches. Working at a rate of about 30 acres a day this operation is often right up behind the combines. This is immediately followed by a 100 hp County 1004 pulling two sets of discs in tandem or, if the soil is too hard to disc, a Lantrac chisel cultivator.

[Note the enormous expenditure of power right through the operation, happyuk]

The last weeds are killed off in early October with Paraquat at the full rate of 1½ pint an acre... It would be wrong to think that it's minimal cultivations alone that have solved a sticky farming problem and created a streamlined and profitable enterprise. As stated at the beginning of this article, this has only been achieved by a total commitment to chemicals as well.

The move to a five year run of winter wheat brought with it all the expected pest problems and some more besides. Most noticeable was the build-up of wild oats and blackgrass. These two weeds are now being severely bashed by Dicurane in the autumn and by Suffix in the spring - both sprayed over the entire acreage for two years running. The paraquat used in September must also get rid of some seedlings... Another problem has been aphids... this year half the acreage was ground sprayed with formothion.

In their coastal situation, the wheat crops on this farm are also particularly prone to ear diseases such as Septoria. It is thought that these diseases, plus the inevitable mildew have kept average yields to below the two-ton mark. An attempt to reduce the effect of these diseases was made this year with an application of Benlate and Maneb on 400 of the 2,500 acres.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Luckily, all material effects are secondary. Have a balanced approach to food and health will take care of itself. It matters almost not at all what we eat, but it does matter a lot what we believe. Since matter is first an energetic standing-wave probability the adverse effects of food can be to a great extent mitigated by thought alone.

Thought is the primary reality, since we are energetic beings. Think health and health will be yours.

edit to add: Genetics might go a long way in making the above a possible outcome. It works for me, but my family is filled with members who have made it past 90!

[Tyy1907]

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channeling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

It just shows plain as day what us humans are dealing with. A subjugation that is so cunning and subtle even those awakening wrestle with the idea. We are so utterly outmatched by the ET manipulators it makes one wonder - what is the point? Yet deep inside something tells me there must be a broader plan. What is the point of this madness? The only logical conclusion is we are integral to this plan of Creators. We still have some connection to our divine origins. The ET's meddling with us do not. Our ability to call on the divine and Creator is the trump card that we humans hold.

[Sue (Ayt)]

On a positive note, I have been noticing slow changes in thinking, and the positive effects of such.

For one thing, sales of certain items are dropping, like soda pop, and aspartame.
Can Coca-Cola escape the shadow of deceptive marketing campaigns in its past? (https://www.fooddive.com/news/can-coca-cola-escape-the-shadow-of-deceptive-marketing-campaigns-in-its-pas/569385/)
Being hit in the wallet does influence the corporations for sure, and their compensative deceptions don't always work either. I wonder how many are going to be taken in by this "fake meat" campaign? It sounds so YUK!

I also notice more and more people awakening to the deceptions, people thinking deeply about these things who I didn't suspect were previously. Seeds planted in our conversations previously have surprisingly taken root. Many are no longer trusting mass media, our health system, corporations. People are starting to "just say no" to the aspects that are still controllable in their own lives, and they are telling others too... planting the seeds, despite the intensifying antics of the controllers. I even have noticed a lot more people taking notice of the absurd antics themselves! Perhaps the next step we will notice is bravery in speaking out, as the veils continue to fall.

[East Sun]

RGREY< take notice

rgrey,

Thank you. I could not agree more, except that in the following quote,

"Also something worth noting is that it does not take the majority of people to force change for the better on corporations, governments or society. It takes about 10-15% of the population to wake up and change their own lives. Governments and society will follow when this critical tipping point is achieved."

I wish that were true. You could be right, but in the last 30 years as I have been striving to
get people to listen it seems mostly a waste of time. I have written on this forum many times
asking what we could do, some responded, but now in my mid seventies I doubt anything
significant will happen. There is always the possibility that suddenly people will reach
a point where they get sick of the brainwashing and take action.

I may not be here then but I hope I witness it and I will die happy as a result of seeing justice
take place.

[James]

I think it happens because it's what the crowds want, for the most part. This idea prevails even without nefarious intent of governing/corporate bodies.

Animals like us seek sources of food that supply sugar and fats in high amounts because they produce the maximum amount of energy per square inch. If you're starving and foraging, a few strawberries or a fish supply much more energy than leaves or roots that are more readily available, and since we are wired to survive, we go for what has the biggest "bang for the buck."

Fast forward a few hundred thousand years from our early history and we are still governed by the same biological processes. We go for the same sugars and fats, but now, they more conveniently and cheaply come in different forms than our ancestors sought out. Stores sell what sells, and factories produce what sells - it just so happens that these things are highly dangerous in the long run, and were never meant to be consumed in these amounts and in these manners.

[rgray222]

RGRAY< take notice

rgray,

Thank you. I could not agree more, except that in the following quote,

"Also something worth noting is that it does not take the majority of people to force change for the better on corporations, governments or society. It takes about 10-15% of the population to wake up and change their own lives. Governments and society will follow when this critical tipping point is achieved."

I wish that were true. You could be right, but in the last 30 years as I have been striving to
get people to listen it seems mostly a waste of time. I have written on this forum many times
asking what we could do, some responded, but now in my mid seventies I doubt anything
significant will happen. There is always the possibility that suddenly people will reach
a point where they get sick of the brainwashing and take action.

I may not be here then but I hope I witness it and I will die happy as a result of seeing justice
take place.

I understand exactly where you are coming from but stop and think about it, take away 10-15% of a companies profit margin and they would be forced out of business or forced to change their product(s). If you could change 10-15% of the results of any election in most western countries you could influence a massive number of elections. Politicians would be forced to change or not be re-elected. If 10-15% of the population started talking about the same change it would quickly catch on like wildfire across the globe.

While 10-15% of the population does not sound like much it is actually a fairly high threshold to meet. The point being that is a doable number and it is a mountain that can be and should be climbed but it will take quite an effort to get to the top (it always does). It is certainly not unachievable.

Talking to people every day one on one or even in groups is analogous to prepping the masses. At some point, there will be a seminal event that will anger or scare the masses which will force change. At that point, it will feel like change happened overnight. Now whether or not it will happen in your or my life remains to be seen.

[RunningDeer]

“The End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite,”
by David A. Kessler, MD





Drawn from the latest brain science as well as interviews with top physicians and food industry insiders, “The End of Overeating” exposes the food industry's aggressive marketing tactics and reveals shocking facts about how we lost control over food—and what we can do to get it back.


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Summary (https://www.amazon.com/End-Overeating-Insatiable-American-Appetite/dp/1605294578/ref=sr_1_3?crid=WEXZ7A06XQ9Q&keywords=the+end+of+overeating&qid=1577748650&s=books&sprefix=The+end+of+overheating%2Caps%2C179&sr=1-3):




Dr. David A. Kessler, the dynamic and controversial former FDA commissioner known for his crusade against the tobacco industry, is taking on another business that's making Americans sick: the food industry. In The End of Overeating, Dr. Kessler shows us how our brain chemistry has been hijacked by the foods we most love to eat: those that contain stimulating combinations of fat, sugar, and salt.

Drawn from the latest brain science as well as interviews with top physicians and food industry insiders, The End of Overeating exposes the food industry's aggressive marketing tactics and reveals shocking facts about how we lost control over food—and what we can do to get it back. For the millions of people struggling with their weight as well as those of us who simply can't seem to eat our favorite foods in moderation, Dr. Kessler's cutting-edge investigation offers valuable insights and practical answers for America's largest-ever public health crisis. There has never been a more thorough, compelling, or in-depth analysis of why we eat the way we do.



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by: Douglas J. Lisle, Ph.D & Alan Goldhamer, D.C.





“A wake-up call to even the most health conscious Americans, this book challenges conventional wisdom about sickness and unhappiness in today's contemporary culture and offers ground-breaking solutions for achieving change.”


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Summary (https://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671974/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3QY0VRZBPZ5KO&keywords=the+pleasure+trap&qid=1577749119&s=books&sprefix=the+pleaser%2Cstripbooks%2C161&sr=1-1):





A wake-up call to even the most health conscious Americans, this book challenges conventional wisdom about sickness and unhappiness in today's contemporary culture and offers ground-breaking solutions for achieving change.

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This book can change your life.



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The Pleasure Trap: Douglas Lisle at TEDxFremont (17 minutes)




“Why is it so hard for humans to make the right choices? Douglas Lisle shows us how the answers are related. One of psychology's most innovative and curious minds, Lisle is the Director of Research for TrueNorth Health Center and coauthor of “The Pleasure Trap”.”


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[East Sun]

[QUOTE=East Sun;1329358]RGRAY< take notice

rgray,


While 10-15% of the population does not sound like much it is actually a fairly high threshold to meet. The point being that is a doable number and it is a mountain that can be and should be climbed but it will take quite an effort to get to the top (it always does). It is certainly not unachievable.

Talking to people every day one on one or even in groups is analogous to prepping the masses. At some point, there will be a seminal event that will anger or scare the masses which will force change. At that point, it will feel like change happened overnight. Now whether or not it will happen in your or my life remains to be seen.

David Icke has gone world wide, reaching more people than I know of, I hope his
message is not lost due to the complacency of the masses.

There is a need for us to counter-act the one-world-govt. at all costs.
They are long term manipulators toward a goal that we need to stop.

This is my message to world-wide humanity.

[Rolci]

Thank you , Bill
They will stop at nothing to keep control of us, but we are becoming aware more
and more. And when we do, watch out for here we come and they are GONE!

Poisoning of food is only relevant to you as long as you consume it, which is entirely a choice, I hope we agree on that. And "they" are only gone once every human lives self-sufficient lives off the grid with no interest in possessions, there being no way left to turn people against one another. Works for us where we are. We do not watch TVs, do not work for money or pay taxes (or bills of any kind). There does not exist a way any of us could be made to want to cause harm, loss or damage to any other community member (or any other human). And any community anywhere on the planet can choose to live this way. It starts with YOU. Take the step.

[TomKat]

Here is an ad for gin that links it to meditation, healthy food, healthy lifestyle and celebrity. Again, creatively deceptive and manipulative to the point of being deadly. Sadly most people think it is cute and creative.  


I've always been bothered by the TV commercials that try to give you a cold or flu, by the power of suggestion. They typically show someone sneezing and hacking...

[onawah]

Forbes--Animal Agriculture Costs More In Health Damage Than It Contributes To The Economy
Jeff McMahon
12/30/19
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/12/30/animal-agriculture-costs-more-in-health-damage-than-it-contributes-to-the-economy/#49f301ac2e09

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/107076158/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

"U.S. farms cost the economy more in health and environmental damage than they contribute to the economy, according to a recent study in the Publication of the National Academy of the Sciences.

For 20 economic sectors, the study compares the cost of premature deaths from particulate air pollution to the value added to the economy. Farms performed worst, driven down by animal agriculture.

“At the margin, we're seeing that the damages from air pollution provided by farms are larger than the marginal value that the farms provide in economic terms,” said co-author Inês M.L. Azevedo, an associate professor in Stanford University’s Department of Energy Resources Engineering.

The study, conducted with researchers from Carnegie Mellon University, focuses on particulate pollution, including PM 2.5, which the EPA has identified as the cause of 90 percent of the 100,000 annual premature deaths in the U.S. from air pollution.

The study does not include health costs from consuming animal products, nor does it include the economic costs of other forms of pollution, such as greenhouse gas emissions and their impact on the climate.As with the climate, the chief culprit is meat and dairy. But when it comes to particulate pollution, the worst offender is poultry.

For each sector of the economy, the researchers developed ratios of gross economic damages (GED) to value added (VA). A GED/VA ratio less than one means that value exceeds damage. A number greater than one means damage exceeds value:

“Whereas the GED/VA ratio was 0.72 for the group of crop-producing industries in 2014, it was 2.0 for animal production in that year,” the study states. “Preliminary calculations indicate that the GED/VA ratio within this group is highest for the poultry industry, with an estimated range of 3 to 7.”

Poultry litter emits particulate pollution and ammonia. Ammonia combines with other pollutants—sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxide, Azevedo said, to produce a secondary source of additional deadly PM 2.5.

Azevedo sees these findings as a call to assess the way the sector operates.

“This work is not advocating that we should shut down agriculture in the United States,” she said in a video released this month by Stanford. “It is providing the intuition that, at the margin, the damages are larger than the value provided. So we'll need to think about the sector more seriously.”

In a commentary that appears in the same issue of PNAS, the economist Juan Moreno-Cruz says, “Agriculture emissions remain stubbornly high and exhibit a flat trend, making agriculture one of the most polluting industries per dollar in the United States right now.”

Utilities were in the same boat in 2008—producing more damage than value at the margin—but utilities have cleaned up their act somewhat thanks largely to the closure of coal burning power plants.

The study attributes some of the drop in pollution from utilities and manufacturing to the Great Recession.

“Right now it's only animal production and agriculture that has damages much larger than the value added,” Azevedo said.

Transportation emissions have also dropped but remain a concern in less regulated parts of the sector: “The biggest sources of both NOx and primary PM2.5 damages within the transportation sector are from trucks and diesel combustion in marine and rail transportation,” the study says.

Azevedo adds: “Our results suggest that policymakers should consider targeting for their emissions reductions, if that is cost effective, in transportation and in agriculture.”

Read more about the drop in emissions in other sectors and watch Azevedo’s video or read more about agricultural emissions.
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5e06c1dbe961e100073a10a5/960x0.jpg?fit=scale
The diagonal black line represents a 1:1 ratio of gross economic damage to value added. Agriculture, now alone above that line, causes more economic damage through health and environmental effects than the value it produces, according to "Fine particulate matter damages and value added in the US economy" by Peter Tschofen, Inês L. Azevedo, Nicholas Z. Muller, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Figure reproduced with permission from Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA.PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES USA "

[Pam]

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channeling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

It just shows plain as day what us humans are dealing with. A subjugation that is so cunning and subtle even those awakening wrestle with the idea. We are so utterly outmatched by the ET manipulators it makes one wonder - what is the point? Yet deep inside something tells me there must be a broader plan. What is the point of this madness? The only logical conclusion is we are integral to this plan of Creators. We still have some connection to our divine origins. The ET's meddling with us do not. Our ability to call on the divine and Creator is the trump card that we humans hold.

I am coming to the conclusion that the point of this experience is to experience intense duality and make choices in the midst of it. If you look back through history there has always been one conflict after another, they just change flavor over time. There really is enough for everyone to live a decent life but it never happens. It's just not the experience here. I mean look at the current situations, the contrived "problems" are right out there..and they are ridiculous.The next enemy will be AI. There is not going to be any resolve on this planet, not at the level of consciousness that predominates at this time. Having said that, on an individual level we can mitigate the damage and diet and mental attitude go a long way.

There are times I can accept this and times I am still so angry that this is happening. After all, there are only a handful perpetuating this, but as you stated, they have a whole lot of help. There is NO way that this long term plan could or would be carried out by humans. We are far to short sighted to ever perpetuate such an intricate scheme, but used as pawns that are manipulated by greed and lust humans make good servants for those that operate unseen.

What I am really curious about at this time is why do these entities want to do this? I'm sure they could get energy elsewhere. Is it amusing for them, is it like a chess game, does it fulfill some sort of sexual desire? I am so curious about this. I would appreciate any ideas on the matter.

[TomKat]

What I am really curious about at this time is why do these entities want to do this? I'm sure they could get energy elsewhere. Is it amusing for them, is it like a chess game, does it fulfill some sort of sexual desire? I am so curious about this. I would appreciate any ideas on the matter.

I think it's called The Culling. Life expectancy is way too high due to modern civilization, causing overpopulation. Humans have no natural enemies besides disease (and other humans). The elite have decided to make it harder to survive. Thus, drug addiction, exploding populations of the dispossessed and homeless. This is how they justify their drug smuggling, human trafficking, etc. They take out the people who would have been eaten by wild animals in an earlier time.

Here's a clue:
https://rense.com/general94/nwoplans.htm

[onevoice]

What I am really curious about at this time is why do these entities want to do this? I'm sure they could get energy elsewhere. Is it amusing for them, is it like a chess game, does it fulfill some sort of sexual desire? I am so curious about this. I would appreciate any ideas on the matter.

I think it's called The Culling. Life expectancy is way too high due to modern civilization, causing overpopulation. Humans have no natural enemies besides disease (and other humans). The elite have decided to make it harder to survive. Thus, drug addiction, exploding populations of the dispossessed and homeless. This is how they justify their drug smuggling, human trafficking, etc. They take out the people who would have been eaten by wild animals in an earlier time.

Here's a clue:
https://rense.com/general94/nwoplans.htm

I agree with you totally. The Global Elites think they know what's best for our planet, so they intend to reduce the population by the drastic measure we are seeing. I've attached the PDF of the information site you referenced.

There is also a Georgia Guidestone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones) in Georgia which makes clear their intentions. Supposedly (https://www.liberalforum.org/topic/236628-truth-revealed-ted-turner-was-behind-the-georgia-guidestones/) Ted Turner may have had a hand in this. The inscriptions on the stones:

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Love this quote:
This is how they justify their drug smuggling, human trafficking, etc. They take out the people who would have been eaten by wild animals in an earlier time.

The ones who would have been eaten by wild animals is not the drug addicts, who for the most part have given up on this crappy modern world. It would be the bureaucrats, politicians, lawyers and other useless eaters who add nothing to the wealth of society - besides steal it from the wealth builders - who, by the way, would all survive in the wild on their wits alone. haha, good one

[RunningDeer]

What I am really curious about at this time is why do these entities want to do this? I'm sure they could get energy elsewhere. Is it amusing for them, is it like a chess game, does it fulfill some sort of sexual desire? I am so curious about this. I would appreciate any ideas on the matter.

We’re their entertainment as well as their life juice. We wrongly assume that ‘our overseers/creators’ are smarter because they’ve existed for eons. From our perspective they’ve lived for eternity. They’re no different than humans that see nothing wrong with stamping on ant hills, pulling wings off a fly nor skinning beings alive.

We’ve been tinkered with so that what little knowledge and wisdom we’ve gleaned is erased, only to come back with the negative inclinations which serve to water down any potential and possibility of discovery. The creator gods are old. But they lack the ability to grow in compassion, knowledge and wisdom that elevates them to their next level of mysteries to crack.

Their dirty little secret is they fear us. Humanity is rich in diversity because of the genetical pool from other off-worlders. We’re ripe and busting at the seams to see this game for what it is… eons of fear programs; subtle entrainments by family, society, religion, politics and education.

It only takes a small percentage to sprint across the finish line for the rest of humanity to shake out of the stupor. We’re giants in our capacity to feel and be compassionate. This is the era where we no longer agree to the failed system of karmic program. We override the software that kept us in lock down for eons.

They mimic. We create. We create new ways rather than rinse and repeat their tyrannical games of control and manipulation. Those that cannot exist in our evolving frequency will simply short out and go poof.

♡

[Tyy1907]

RGREY< take notice

rgrey,

Thank you. I could not agree more, except that in the following quote,

"Also something worth noting is that it does not take the majority of people to force change for the better on corporations, governments or society. It takes about 10-15% of the population to wake up and change their own lives. Governments and society will follow when this critical tipping point is achieved."

I wish that were true. You could be right, but in the last 30 years as I have been striving to
get people to listen it seems mostly a waste of time. I have written on this forum many times
asking what we could do, some responded, but now in my mid seventies I doubt anything
significant will happen. There is always the possibility that suddenly people will reach
a point where they get sick of the brainwashing and take action.

I may not be here then but I hope I witness it and I will die happy as a result of seeing justice
take place.

Totally agree. The mind control is just too effective. What I've found is this is a divine level problem. Sounds like a fairy tale solution but for me, the more layers I peel back the more I see this as true.

[TomKat]

Love this quote:
This is how they justify their drug smuggling, human trafficking, etc. They take out the people who would have been eaten by wild animals in an earlier time.

The ones who would have been eaten by wild animals is not the drug addicts, who for the most part have given up on this crappy modern world. It would be the bureaucrats, politicians, lawyers and other useless eaters who add nothing to the wealth of society - besides steal it from the wealth builders - who, by the way, would all survive in the wild on their wits alone. haha, good one

Yes, they are taking out the people who have given up on life. And as life gets tougher, more people will go by the wayside. That's why it's called a culling. Possibly, in the distant future, the only ones left will be sociopaths like themselves and the human race will go extinct. But that's a long way off.

[onawah]

I think the motivation is lust for POWER, which is as addictive as anything can be, but since it's based in FEAR, will eventually prove to be self-defeating.


What I am really curious about at this time is why do these entities want to do this? I'm sure they could get energy elsewhere. Is it amusing for them, is it like a chess game, does it fulfill some sort of sexual desire? I am so curious about this. I would appreciate any ideas on the matter.

update: And obviously, Earth is a gem of a planet, a prize that many ET races would probably love to rule.

[syrwong]

There is a possibility that culling of the population may begin this year in China. The almost forgotten Anglo-Saxon Mission.

China probes mystery pneumonia outbreak amid SARS fears (https://news.yahoo.com/china-probes-pneumonia-outbreak-sars-links-state-media-063012382.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJjpcxoGoUxrOYDWD1cLi8RPRkTbUuvM-WJAmWaUti12gip545albvfwXPnvn_YqP5IoxPx_QK32Jc3GFfcSrTvEAMDQAyoNYOIP2aVXfpTegJA6A-PFQVe2nu5-bg1B9Ra9cfqyzmpApmoEXigoMimpCcxbIFSEmZs9er95Dspn)

There are signs that another deadly flu may be coming to China.

The African Swine flu is suspicious. How did the flu get to China from Africa, if Africa is the origin of the virus. This causes China to depend more on import of food, pork from US. I guess most people in China should have the virus in their body because the pig farmers would kill the infected pigs to rush to the market. Could the virus make humans more vulnerable to Sars-like flu virus, and become a precursor to a killing pandemic in China, as was planned in the Anglo-Saxon Mission?

Just a wild guess, but this year is so uncertain.

[TrumanCash]

It's about brainwashing--Humans are easily programmed with belief systems. Certainly, as Onawah has indicated, ETs are the main source for that programming.

Fortunately, that paradigm is being broken and there is positive progress that is waking people up. I like what Wim Hof (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83777-Wim-Hof-Method-The-Iceman-using-breathing-techniques-to-activate-your-body-s-true-potential&p=405612&viewfull=1#post405612) said:



Nature has the answers, and they think cancer and depression and all those things, only with pills and chemo. Man, man, man, man--You don't want to lose those clients.

It's a sick world. We live off of people being sick. That makes a healthy economy.

We are able to change this sickened world ruled by people who think they can make money out of pills and medicines and think that is the condition of the human race and we have no other way.

The real terrorist is making us believe that we are not able to control our inner physiology. You know the pharmaceutical, any other industry--how much they use in money for advertising, for brainwashing our minds, making us believe that dependency in doctors, healthcare, pills, medicines, and therapies, that is the way to go with health and not look within ourselves.

They are the industries who rule our minds. I showed by data what it is to go into the deepest of our physiology at will that makes us able to get rid of medicines and pills, and change our capacity of what we think is possible in healthcare, both mentally and physical.

We take out the villain, we take out the real terrorist which is killing, right now, millions of people every year, and that war we make visible. And that enemy we are going to take down. And bringing back the belief that we are the masters of our own minds.


[Excerpt starts at 6:46 into this video:]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fqcruPL30&lc=UgxWBavtIzjyyDRaMGt4AaABAg

[happyuk]

Where is the disconnect?  We say we know but can not even protect ourselves.
Why is that?

This is a logical question?
Can anyone give me a logical answer.
 

I wrote quite a while back about how standing in an Ecuadorian supermarket in 2012, I had a remarkable and vivid 'Aha' moment: a moment of clear insight I'll never forget.

I was eyeing all the mass-produced, plastic-packed, low-nutritive (or actively harmful!) 'food' on the shelves. There was fresh fruit and veg, for sure, but you'll know what I mean. It was pretty much a clone of any American or European (or Australian!) supermarket.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, I had the CRYSTAL clear thought:
"They're trying to kill us."It was like I was channelling the enemy of human people, or reading its mind. At that moment, I could tangibly experience the hatred and disgust with which 'the useless eaters' were regarded.

Like vermin: not magnificent humans, whatever our flaws or weaknesses. It lasted just a moment, but I could feel it as if I were one of 'them'. And I've never forgotten it.

I have had almost exactly the same thought for quite some time. When I have been in Walmart food stores I am shocked not necessarily at the plastics but the quantity and the quality of food that is on offer. It would almost be impossible to maintain a healthy diet, a healthy weight and a healthy lifestyle if Walmart is the only place you shop.  Process foods loaded with sugar. I think the average human does not stand a chance unless they wake up.

Watching American football is another scary experience. Virtually 90%+ of the professionally produced advertisements are for alcohol, junk food and fast-food restaurants. The other 10% are for outrageously expensive cars. These ads are aimed at the young. They are specifically targeted, funny and have a call to action.  I saw an ad during a football game showing two young men sitting on a sofa drinking beer while eating breakfast. It is beyond appalling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGP67Du5GME
Here is an ad for gin that links it to meditation, healthy food, healthy lifestyle and celebrity. Again, creatively deceptive and manipulative to the point of being deadly. Sadly most people think it is cute and creative.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDCH6SiMgo
It almost seems like people don't stand a chance and that the odds are stacked against them but that is precisely the mindset they want you to have. "The mountain is so high why should I even bother to try." This feeling you must fight because the truth is the odds are stacked against them and they are scared to death of the power of the people.

So what is the answer? Can we change things and if so how do we go about it.
Anger is a good first step, it is also a strong motivational force but anger and hate are unsustainable so it must be channelled into something positive.

First off wanting or waiting for the government to make positive change is (for the most part) inefficient use of our time and energy. Yes, the government can do some good but that rarely is the way things get done.

It is up to each and every person to make personal changes in their life. Virtually everything in our lives that is good comes with effort. It takes effort to eat healthily, lose 40 lbs, become a doctor, stop smoking, to think, to become an expert in any field, to maintain a healthy lifestyle, to be kind, cut down on consumption and waste and discourage others from using products that are killing us.

At times (probably most of the time) it seems like it is a never-ending battle and it appears to be an impossible task but I assure you it is winnable and worth the effort.

Also something worth noting is that it does not take the majority of people to force change for the better on corporations, governments or society. It takes about 10-15% of the population to wake up and change their own lives. Governments and society will follow when this critical tipping point is achieved.

That advert for gin is just unbelievable. I thought I'd seen it all up until that point. Especially when you take a cold critical view of what gin merely is: vodka with junipers.

And yet here they are sat in a field meditating, tending orange plants and generally doing all sorts of wholesome things. I guess I shouldn't be too astounded especially when exactly the same thing has been achieved with promoting Coca-Cola, a fizzy, syrupy, tooth-rotting drink that at one time even contained cocaine, its adverts always associated with happy, healthy, sporty, smiling people. Ditto any brand of coffee, which for me smells nicer than it actually tastes and does little except produce halitosis. It's true when they say that with the right advertising you can sell anything.

[TomKat]

Coca-Cola, a fizzy, syrupy, tooth-rotting drink that at one time even contained cocaine, its adverts always associated with happy, healthy, sporty, smiling people.

From personal experience I can say that the worst thing about Coca Cola is that it contains phosphoric acid. It really does a number on the liver. Try drinking a Coke a day for a couple of weeks and see how your right rib cage feels. Dr Pepper also has phosphoric acid. Best bet is 7up (or Sprite) which doesn't have it. Most root beers also don't contain phosphoric acid.

[EFO]

One or two years ago,zapping on TV in searching of a decent program,I stumbled on History channel or Viasat History,I don;t remember exactly which one of those two,over a very interesting documentary about food which have the following segment and perhaps from that point humans start to poison the food.

The Poisonous Way The Victorians Processed Food | Absolute History
(17:01 min.)

"Dr Suzannah Lipscomb show us the dangerous ways the Victorians adulterated food and its deadly consequences.

Content licensed from DRG. Any queries, please contact us at: owned-enquiries@littledotstudios.com"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkQ0RFTHvIo&t=445s

[bettye198]

My husband still has a nutrition practice and we practice what we preach. Since we live in the boonies in the high elevation of middle Tennessee we have to drive to get anything organic. You cannot grow on land here, no matter how large a parcel because the critters will eat with a glad heart. We have begun microgreens and converted our sun room into a mini greenhouse. We sprout weekly but have not attempted vegetables yet. Back to accessibility of organic. There are farms certified organic all around the Nashville area and some random areas of the state but you have to belong to a coop and drive to destinations where they have pick up. If you are lucky to be near a farmers mkt even better but for us, it is a one hour one way, two hours another way. Grocery stores are pathetic when it comes to organic.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The real terrorist is making us believe that we are not able to control our inner physiology. You know the pharmaceutical, any other industry--how much they use in money for advertising, for brainwashing our minds, making us believe that dependency in doctors, healthcare, pills, medicines, and therapies, that is the way to go with health and not look within ourselves.

The best and most effective pill is the sugar pill. The placebo effect is around 30% effective. That means that every pill brought to market must first prove an effectiveness above the 30% expected by the placebo effect. Few drugs have much higher effectiveness without side-effects...

[OurFreeSociety]

Sorry, I can't read all of this. No time (wish I could), so if this has already been discussed, my apologies.

I've been teling people for the last year that they are trying to kill us & NOT just with the FAKE food, but the one question I can't answer when someone asks me is, "don't they know they would also be killing themselves?"

With the FAKE food, that one is easy. They don't eat the poisonous food, but what about the contrails (you can't escape that, it falls from the sky & poisons all vegetaiion - kills it actually), even when you go eat at a restaurant, there's no way that every high end restaurant doesn't poison the food on some level with fluoride (unless we are talking in a fluoride free country), or how can they guarantee that all of the produce is GMO & glyphosate free? Due to Monstanto giving up the patent & China taking over, glyphostate has now poisoned the entire planet with maybe the exception of small organic islands.

How many high-end restaurants are 100% organic? I wouldn't know.

And yes I know they won't allow 5G into their areas so they are safe from that, but just walking down the street out in public you will be harmed. Plus with the satelites beaming the 5G down upon us (I don't know when this is due to launch), how can they escape that? Same with ALL cell phone towers, wifi & every single person's smart phone/tablet. All you have to do is walk near them to get zapped.

Mind you, I may have found a device that protects us from EMFs & the really expensive one from 5G.

I'm still researching, but that's at home, not out in public.

[norman]

Timeless cookery with Emma Goodwin and Lee Dawson (You really are what you eat)

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