The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

[Iyakum]

I think we all know how easy it was for the US to erase Soleymani. Everyone involved, all intelligence agencies knew exactly when the general would arrive, where he would arrive and when they would have to strike. Bong ..! Out and over, he's gone.

Iran is surrounded by US military facilities on all of its borders. If the United States wanted to cut off the snake's head, and I mean the head, that would be an easy operation. Or don't you think? Technologically, they are far superior, that's a fact. So the US would have to send one or two stealth bombers flying from Iraq to Tehran. The right time would be on Friday prayer, when the head of the snake appears publicly. A rocket would be enough, ok let's take two to make sure it really works.

The bombers would be on their way back before Tehran could react in the slightest. Sovereignty back and forth, national borders ... **** it. An act of, say, an hour, if any. So why don't they do it? What is so difficult or better asked, what is stopping you? A war ? The limits ? It's all just kid's **** or don't you think?

The US was not afraid to kill Soleymani in Iraq. Why should they shy away from cutting off the head of the head? Even if they react, Tehran cannot do anything, but absolutely nothing. Iran is surrounded on all sides.

Let's play it all through. If the United States attacks Tehran directly and Tehran wants to react to it ... But Tehran cannot react to it. It is not possible, all countries around Iran are occupied by the United States with military facilities. Who should Iran attack first and, above all, who would not be informed of an attack? It would rain bombs and rockets like a storm. But the big question is, why or what is preventing the US from doing so? An agreement with Tehran that we don't know about?

They show no qualms about the attack on Afghanistan and Iraq. But why now? Why this constant cat and mouse game? I mean 40 years since Islam ruined Iran. What about the people who constantly have to live under fear, death and captivity?

the only thing that occurs to me why Trump is hesitating is the elections. He needs a powerful argument to be re-elected. Trump would have enough time to stir up fear among the people of the United States. How Bush did it.

[Soda]

wow gracy may
that was mean


I believe that holding people in Guantanamo Bay without trial is mean.

Separating families and holding them in cages at the border for seeking a better life is mean.

Occupying two countries for almost 20 and 18 years respectively is mean.

Wasting billions of dollars on war is mean.

Signing an executive order limiting free speech ( saying anti BDS things are bad).

Taking away food stamps from people is mean.

Supporting all these aforementioned policies is mean

Are you then criticizing ALL U.S. presidents including Obama, Bush, etc? Or is just Trump?

[Soda]

Iayakum I believe the U.S. does not have access to air space in Iran the way they do in Iraq. However, your point is still very valid. If they wanted to get rid of the problem, they could.

[rgray222]

the only thing that occurs to me why Trump is hesitating [attacking Iran] is the elections. He needs a powerful argument to be re-elected. Trump would have enough time to stir up fear among the people of the United States. How Bush did it.

I don't believe that Trump needs a powerful argument to be reelected.

Trump has been crystal clear before he was elected that he does not believe that the United States should not be in the middle east and that his goal is to end the wars not expand them. It would be a far more powerful reelection tool for Trump to get the USA out of the wars that Bush started and Obama expanded.

It is not very hard to understand Trump on all issues. I don't necessarily agree with all his policies but I find his straightforwardness and honesty refreshing. The problem is that most people don't actually listen to Trump they listen to the mainstream media interpreting his words. Hence the constant claims of fake, false and misleading press coverage.

I am not defending or condemning Trump, just giving you the view from my perspective.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Attacking Iran directly is not possible. They are under the protection of Russia. Attacking Iran directly is the same as declaring war on Russia.

I think few know the history of Islam, I know I don't, and the fact that Islam is divided in two between the Shiites and the Sunnis. The greatest distortion of Islam is the form upheld by Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism. Saudi - The House of Saud is a great family of long lineage that captured an entire massive country long ago. Sunnis are the majority, with Iran being almost completely Sunni. These two branches of Islam have been warring since their inception.

[Soda]

Iran is certainly NOT completely Sunni. The individuals running the government are Shia. But please understand the general population is mostly secular if not borderline atheist. They are so desperate for FREEDOM from this insanity they are willing to allow Zionism to win. I understand it is a very confusing time right now with so much information coming all at once. But that was always the plan. This guy Adam Green seems to be breaking it down very well. Take a listen. And by the way, Ahmadinejad DID NOT say that Israel should be wiped off the map. The proper translation would have been "Zionism needs to be erased from the pages of history" - I am not defending the man nor his actions but his words have been forever twisted and repeated over and over again very unfairly. aBzlnZOhtZ0

[Ernie Nemeth]

It was pointed out to me, and I verified it with good old google and wiki, Iran is primarily a Sunni state. Sorry about the confusion.

[AutumnW]

Iran is Shia

[Chester]

Iran is Shia

I had always remembered that Iran is supposed to be almost completely Shi'a. This had a great deal to do with the Iran / Iraq war (Iraq under Hussien means the Sunni were in charge despite Sunni being a minority in Iraq)

Not that I trust Wikipedia but on something like this, it could probably be trusted - Islam in Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Iran)


Iran's population is about 82,000,000 people,[2] and Islam is the religion of 99.4% of Iranians. [3] Nearly 90% of Iranian Muslims are Shi'a and about 10% are Sunni. Most Sunnis in Iran are Kurds, Achomis, Turkmens, and Baluchs, living in the northwest, northeast, south, and southeast.[1] Almost all of Iranian Shi'as are Twelvers.

The CIA Factbook has an even greater percentage as Shi'a (90 - 95%) (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/print_ir.html)


Religions:
Muslim (official) 99.4% (Shia 90-95%, Sunni 5-10%), other (includes Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian) 0.3%, unspecified 0.4% (2011 est.)

[Justplain]

I don't believe that Iran could successfully take on the USA. The b2 bomber, the f22 + f35 fighters would make short order of Iran's defenses and offensive capabilities.

The real prospect that deters the USA from attacking is the collateral damage of such an action. Iran could probably inflict enough harm to its neighbours that the human and asset losses would be large. So, the sane position is restraint unless absolutely necessary.

This same truth applies to North Korea, China and Russia. The USA could take them all, but at what cost?

[Jayke]

I don't believe that Iran could successfully take on the USA. The b2 bomber, the f22 + f35 fighters would make short order of Iran's defenses and offensive capabilities.

The real prospect that deters the USA from attacking is the collateral damage of such an action. Iran could probably inflict enough harm to its neighbours that the human and asset losses would be large. So, the sane position is restraint unless absolutely necessary.

This same truth applies to North Korea, China and Russia. The USA could take them all, but at what cost?

The USA would like to think they can take them all on, but, war game simulations at RAND shows the USA “gets its ass handed to it” by Russia and China — in almost all scenarios. The study showed that while F35 might be dominant once it gets in the air. Most of them get taken out by Russia’s hypersonic missiles before they even lift off the runway.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6797043/US-defeated-Russia-China-scenarios-World-War-III-simulations-analysts-warn.html





America gets its ‘ass handed to it’ in WW3 simulations: U.S. forces are defeated by Russia and China in almost all scenarios, analysts warn
Nonprofit global policy think tank RAND performs simulated war scenarios to test how the US would fare against other leading military superpowers

The simulations cover battle on land, at sea, in the air, space and cyberspace
Analysts warned last week that the US loses to Russia or China in most scenarios
However, they said it would take just $24billion annually to improve outcomes
That's about three percent of the $750billion defense budget proposed for 2


The US may not stand a chance against Russia and China should World War III break out, advanced warfare analysts have warned.

'In our games, when we fight Russia and China, "blue" gets its ass handed to it,' researcher David Ochmanek explained at the Center for a New American Security on Thursday, Breaking Defense first reported. American forces are generally color-coded in blue in the simulations.

Nonprofit global policy think tank RAND has been performing simulated war scenarios, often sponsored by the Pentagon, to test how American forces would fare against the world's other leading military superpowers.

'We lose a lot of people. We lose a lot of equipment. We usually fail to achieve our objective of preventing aggression by the adversary,' Ochmanek added.

Though hypothetical, the simulated games warn that the world order America has fought to protect for more than a century could be at risk.

The simulated conflicts take place in all five domains of battle: land, sea, air, space and cyberspace.

Accord to RAND, 'red' aggressor forces frequently burn US military bases to the ground, sink warships and take out cyber systems.

Robert Work, a former deputy secretary of defense and experienced war-gamer, explained that America's F-35 fighter jet is the most advanced of its kind in the sky, but is vulnerable on the tarmac.

'In every case I know of, the F-35 rules the sky when it's in the sky,' Work said Thursday. 'But it gets killed on the ground in large numbers.'

Last week, RAND analysts revealed that in scenario after scenario, the US has suffered severe losses despite spending nearly $1trillion annually on the military, exceeding the spending of any other country by more than double.

Work also warned that US military bases across Europe and the Pacific are not equipped to handle the fire they would face in a high-end conflict.

Work and Ochmanek both said China focus on cyberspace with 'system destruction warfare', which involves targeting US communications satellites, command-and-control systems, and wireless networks.

'The brain and the nervous system that connects all of these pieces is suppressed, if not shattered,' Ochmanek said.

The Chinese would 'attack the American battle network at all levels, relentlessly,' Work warned, adding that 'they practice it all the time'.

'These are the things that the war games show over and over and over, so we need a new American way of war without question,' Work said.
Work and Ochmanek's bleak observations mirror the findings of an assessment carried out last fall by the National Defense Strategy Commission, a bipartisan panel of experts selected by Congress to evaluate America's National Defense Strategy.

'If the United States had to fight Russia in a Baltic contingency or China in a war over Taiwan, Americans could face a decisive military defeat,' the Commission said in a November report.

The report highlighted how the US has lost its military edge as rival powers, namely Russia and China, have developed a 'suite of advanced capabilities heretofore possessed only by the United States'.

It came to the alarming conclusion that the US is 'at greater risk than at any time in decades'.

However, RAND's findings aren't all doom and gloom.

Analysts say it would take just $24billion to improve outcomes - which is about three percent of the $750billion defense budget President Donald Trump will propose for 2020.

The Air Force had approached RAND to develop a plan to fix the problems behind the poor outcomes.

To his surprise, Ochmanek said: 'We found it impossible to spend more than $8billion a year' on necessary improvement.

The $24billion number comes from tripling that $8billion to cover the Army and the Navy.

Ochmanek said that adding $24billion to the budget 'for the next five years would be a good expenditure' to prepare the US for World War III, which he predicts is at least 10 to 20 years down the road.
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[sunwings]

On a lighter note, this is very funny.

OsBOWSjOLsE

[Justplain]

RAND corp is a CFR and trilat comm mouthpiece that fear mongers to wring military spending money out of the US Congress. Any extravagant claim on defense weakness should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

The USA has, I believe, more than ten aircraft carrier naval groups when each of russia and China might be able to scrounge together 1. The USA has stealth bombers and fighters that neither of its opponents could match. The USA has military bases surrounding both of its opponents whom don't have the reverse. The USA has a form of ballistic missile defense of which neither of its opponents has. The USA has widespread military and economic alliances that also surround their opponents. How can anyone seriously consider that these opponents could win a conflict?

[Ernie Nemeth]

It might be about the will to fight, or even the ability to fight. American tech is integrated to a high degree and depends on very vulnerable pieces of technology, easily defeated. That's probably why the fix is so cheap. Just need to harden the targets or otherwise render them less easily destroyed.

[Iyakum]

Different groups of people live in Iran, that has always been the case. Regardless of belief, whether Sunni or Shiite, it is the different peoples that are divided. I mean if you split Iran you can see it more precisely. From the border to just before Tehran there are Kurds, Turks, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Kazakhs. Ostan Fars then begins from Tehran, the Fars the Persians. Although I have to say that Tehran itself is also divided. Many Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Turks etc.

I personally think that this could have as much influence on politics. This country is a mixed people, which is why it is difficult to form a real government. Just considering how many languages ​​are spoken in Iran is a problem in itself. Farsi, Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic, Pashtu, Ordu etc.

Even if there should be a coup and the US invade. Who should rule this country? Monarchy again? Oh no, I don't think so. If you take a closer look at what has happened since the revolution, you will notice that all those in power only thought of themselves. In their wealth, that will never change.

Assuming the US succeeds in overthrowing the government, taking over and occupying the country. Ok, then what? This mixed race all want to have their own territories. So who or how should a government be formed. the belief that the Arabs put over Iran has destroyed the country. Then there would be the ex-monarch Waliat. This brainless prince who is broke is like a beggar. What can it do? I mean, I haven't heard a word of it since the attack on Soleymani. You maybe? He will never rule, he is unable to do so. A democracy like in Germany, USA etc. will never come about...

[edina]

Different groups of people live in Iran, that has always been the case. Regardless of belief, whether Sunni or Shiite, it is the different peoples that are divided. I mean if you split Iran you can see it more precisely. From the border to just before Tehran there are Kurds, Turks, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Kazakhs. Ostan Fars then begins from Tehran, the Fars the Persians. Although I have to say that Tehran itself is also divided. Many Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Turks etc.

I personally think that this could have as much influence on politics. This country is a mixed people, which is why it is difficult to form a real government. Just considering how many languages ​​are spoken in Iran is a problem in itself. Farsi, Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic, Pashtu, Ordu etc.

Even if there should be a coup and the US invade. Who should rule this country? Monarchy again? Oh no, I don't think so. If you take a closer look at what has happened since the revolution, you will notice that all those in power only thought of themselves. In their wealth, that will never change.

Assuming the US succeeds in overthrowing the government, taking over and occupying the country. Ok, then what? This mixed race all want to have their own territories. So who or how should a government be formed. the belief that the Arabs put over Iran has destroyed the country. Then there would be the ex-monarch Waliat. This brainless prince who is broke is like a beggar. What can it do? I mean, I haven't heard a word of it since the attack on Soleymani. You maybe? He will never rule, he is unable to do so. A democracy like in Germany, USA etc. will never come about...

I shared this article in another thread


Without Ethnic Minorities, Regime Change in Iran Will Remain a Distant Hope (https://www.fairobserver.com/region/middle_east_north_africa/iran-ethnic-minorities-regime-change-protests-middle-east-politics-news-15421/)

I'd like to point out that I tend to make a distinction in my mind between the Islamic Republic (current regime), Iran the country, and the Persian people and culture.
I don't necessarily equate them as the "same."

I had not yet made the distinction of the ethnic minorities within Iran and the role they play in Iranian politics.

This article expands my thinking on this topic.

Trump is tweeting directly to the Iranian people in their language. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1331100&viewfull=1#post1331100)

There's a lot of talk among a wide range of people with a wide range of views on Twitter, that he, or rather the present administration, have engaged all the ethnic groups and various freedom fighter groups. with the idea not to take over their country but rather to support them in their efforts for their liberation for their country and their culture.

If you click through the article you'll see a video about the Khomeini revolution and the events leading up to it.

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The article also mentions that one of the ways that Khomeini consolidated his power was that he conducted a 2 year cultural revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution).

This is a consistent pattern in Islamic take-over of other nations.

It's also a consistent pattern in the Marxist take-over of other nations.

In China's cultural revolution Mao Zedong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong) used the understanding of the rebellious nature of youth between the ages of 12 - 16 and galvanized their energy to take out his rivals within China.

If you know the pattern, you can see the early developments of this happening in the present day with the climate strikes.

[silvanelf]

The article also mentions that one of the ways that Khomeini consolidated his power was that he conducted a 2 year cultural revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution).

This is a consistent pattern in Islamic take-over of other nations.

It's also a consistent pattern in the Marxist take-over of other nations.


Nice fairy tale.

What about the ways that the Shah came into power in Iran in 1953? An "Islamic take-over"??
What about the take-over of a democratic government in Chile in 1973 by Pinochet?

There is a completely different pattern of overthrowing democratic governments by fascist regimes ... instigated by the US.

[edina]

The article also mentions that one of the ways that Khomeini consolidated his power was that he conducted a 2 year cultural revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution).

This is a consistent pattern in Islamic take-over of other nations.

It's also a consistent pattern in the Marxist take-over of other nations.


Nice fairy tale.

What about the ways that the Shah came into power in Iran in 1953? An "Islamic take-over"??
What about the take-over of a democratic government in Chile in 1973 by Pinochet?

There is a completely different pattern of overthrowing democratic governments by fascist regimes ... instigated by the US.

I agree, both points of view are valid.

I am curious though, did you read the article I linked above, re: the role the ethnic minorities play in Iranian politics?

[Praxis]

the only thing that occurs to me why Trump is hesitating [attacking Iran] is the elections. He needs a powerful argument to be re-elected. Trump would have enough time to stir up fear among the people of the United States. How Bush did it.

I don't believe that Trump needs a powerful argument to be reelected.

Trump has been crystal clear before he was elected that he does not believe that the United States should not be in the middle east and that his goal is to end the wars not expand them. It would be a far more powerful reelection tool for Trump to get the USA out of the wars that Bush started and Obama expanded.

It is not very hard to understand Trump on all issues. I don't necessarily agree with all his policies but I find his straightforwardness and honesty refreshing. The problem is that most people don't actually listen to Trump they listen to the mainstream media interpreting his words. Hence the constant claims of fake, false and misleading press coverage.

I am not defending or condemning Trump, just giving you the view from my perspective.

I do not think you understand the government of the United States and what Trump is fully capable of doing right now as the CEO of the Executive Branch.

He could, if he decided, immediately withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. FULL STOP.
He has the complete legal authority to do so.

If he does not do this, it is because he has chosen not to.

This is precisely why I dont think the Q things should be public. It is this kind of thinking.

Literally you are arguing that trump wants to do something he has the full legal authority to do but cant because reasons. . .



He has not been clear about being anti war in the middle east. He literally tweeted that he is more of a hawk than Bolton. Im not reading MSM, I am watching the actions and policies being promulgated( you know like concentration camps on the border for Asylum seekers).

Why can the Commander in CHief under the NDAA not withdraw our troops?

It is entirely two different things to not be able to do something because the republicans and trump base are actually pro war and pro imperialism and to not be able to do it because he does not have the legal authority.

The president has the legal authority to withdraw RIGHT NOW. FULL STOP.

But you are right that doing so would un mask that many are actually pro war and empire. . .

[edina]

Thank you Praxis,

Before I respond to your comment, I wonder if you read the article I shared in my comment?

If you remember I shared this in context of the conversation about the people of Iran, Shia, Sunni, and I had hoped to bring information here about the ethnic populations in Iran.

It's one of the more balanced articles I've read on the topic.

While, yes, it was originally shared, in the Q thread, and in context of a conversation there.

It honestly has nothing to with Q. Nor does any other part of my comment.

[silvanelf]

RAND corp is a CFR and trilat comm mouthpiece that fear mongers to wring military spending money out of the US Congress. Any extravagant claim on defense weakness should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

The USA has, I believe, more than ten aircraft carrier naval groups when each of russia and China might be able to scrounge together 1. The USA has stealth bombers and fighters that neither of its opponents could match. The USA has military bases surrounding both of its opponents whom don't have the reverse. The USA has a form of ballistic missile defense of which neither of its opponents has. The USA has widespread military and economic alliances that also surround their opponents. How can anyone seriously consider that these opponents could win a conflict?

You should read some articles about the development of hypersonic missiles. Here are two diametrically opposing points of view. Emphasis is mine.


In the eternal competition between offense and defense for military dominance, the offense is winning. Russia has been testing a hypersonic cruise missile with a speed above 6,000 miles per hour that can be used to deliver nuclear or conventional warheads against targets at sea or on land. The U.S. military at present has no defense against the weapon.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/07/30/defense-against-hypersonic-attack-is-becoming-the-biggest-military-challenge-of-the-trump-era/#2e978f4262c0


The question that is now facing policy makers in Washington, Beijing, London, and elsewhere is whether and how this deployment reshapes strategic stability.

The answer, perhaps counterintuitive amid the hand-wringing over Moscow’s announcement, is not much. In reality, the systemic consequences of hypersonic missiles will be minimal to nil, and the narrative that Washington is “behind” in a hypersonic arms race fails to take into account the different strategic challenges facing China, Russia, and the United States—not least that the United States need not overcome an adversary’s missile defense systems.

https://thebulletin.org/2020/01/hypersonic-missiles-new-arms-race-going-nowhere-fast/

[Praxis]

Thank you Praxis,

Before I respond to your comment, I wonder if you read the article I shared in my comment?

If you remember I shared this in context of the conversation about the people of Iran, Shia, Sunni, and I had hoped to bring information here about the ethnic populations in Iran.

It's one of the more balanced articles I've read on the topic.

While, yes, it was originally shared, in the Q thread, and in context of a conversation there.

It honestly has nothing to with Q. Nor does any other part of my comment.


The king of kings is actually a title that comes from the Achaemenid Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire) from one of the first truly great world empires. Many of the great persian names that the common man could conjure would be Cyrus the Great or Darius or Xerxes.

One might even recall the final Darius the 3rd as he was the one who fell to a person you may or may not know: Alexander. Yeah, that Alexander.

But that was a short lived one, as He fought all the way to India. Vini Vidi Vici it all, but then died as he was making his way home.

So this left the empire in the hands of the Companions of Alexander of Interest to us here is Selecus. This last a while until Rome.

Rome then had back and forths with the Sasanian Empire, which were the New King of Kings(and called the Neo Persian Empire.

Which then is over taken by the Rashidun Caliphate, which is Abu Bakr(the guy after Mohammed), Umar, Uthman, and then Ali( son in law of Mohammed).

But that falls apart into the Ummayyad Caliphate. Which then falls apart into Abbasid caliphate. Which then is falls apart into the Fatimid Caliphate, then into the Seljuk Empire(which is the first time that Persian are running persia since Islam).

Which then later became the Khwarazmian dynasty who pissed off Ghengis Khan by murdering his emissaries which then got them all murdered.

After that came the Timurids( you know Timerlane) but that also fell apart after he died so it became the Safavid Dynasty. After that it became the Afsharid Empire.

After them we finally get to what is closer to what we know of the modern Iran of the Qajar "Sublime State of Persia". Which is then overthrown by the Pahlavi Dynasty in 1921. This then is the family that is finally removed in 1979 to then get us to the modern state of Iran.


I too like to take all of what I VERY briefly outlined by saying: "On February 1, 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile and, 10 days later, 2,500 thousand years of monarchy came to an end. "

That links to https://www.alimentarium.org/en/magazine/history/most-expensive-party-ever as the reference on that 2500 year dynasty ending.

To answer your question directly Edina. Yes I briefly perused the article you posted. But as you can see I was less than impressed on just the first sentence.

But it also is irrelevant to the discussion IMO. The ethnic diversity of Iran is not what this thread was about.

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state. He is clearly pushing the cabal, or whatever name you put on them, agenda and you can see it in his not immediately withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan. Or closing Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Or releasing the JFK files. Or stopping the CIA. Or truth about 9-11, or about aliens, etc.

What are the win conditions in those countries?

I want to ask you Edina.

What are the two countries on either side of Iran(yes I know there is more than just two, but which two countries stick out to. Hint I have mentioned them both already)?

[Frank V]

Here's an interesting interview of historian Dan Kovalik ─ 52 minutes long ─ by Abby Martin on the matter, detailing much of the cultural and strategic historical background...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Zb8615ib0&t=0s

[edina]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread.

Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

I'll read deeper on your comments provided above, and see if I have anything of positive value to add to the conversation.

I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

[Sue (Ayt)]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread.

Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

I'll read deeper on your comments provided above, and see if I have anything of positive value to add to the conversation.

I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

Wow - I missed that purpose too. Perhaps the title of the thread should be edited to be made clearer.

[Praxis]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread.

Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

I'll read deeper on your comments provided above, and see if I have anything of positive value to add to the conversation.

I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread.



Well this is the crux of the thing Edina. The action that this thread is about is the point. It proves the point.

I am not proving this point. Trump is with action and policy are proving the point. This is the crux of the issue.

You are trying to flip this and play the outrage that you couldnt see my agenda like I pulled something on you.

My agenda is never hidden. If you have been around you can see this in my posts. Generally, I am anti war and murder. Trump clearly is not.

These actions and many others prove it. His inaction in many ways also show this (not immediately withdrawing from our occupations like he said in the campaign, like obama said . . . ).

These actions that the admin takes and doesnt take are the point Edina. They make my point for me. I am just pointing them out.

I really enjoy the "I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread" and this victim framing passive aggressive high grounding.

This is why I dont engage the Q people. They never address the issues I bring up.

Edina, You have not mentioned the occupations which I reference. Why is this?
Why do you not hold Trump to this point if you are anti occupation and anti war? They are kind of a big deal at trillions of dollars and almost two decades and thousand of soldiers with PTSD and lost limbs(not to mention the death and destruction of the Iraqi and Afghani people and land themselves!)

Why do we let the idea go that Trump is both fighting the deep state but paralayzed to act as the Executive Branch CEO?

[Chester]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

I don't see the facts supporting this view, even if the purpose of some who posted in this thread has been to push this view.

[AutumnW]

I really enjoy the "I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread" and this victim framing passive aggressive high grounding.

When I read certain posts, I see Nurse Ratchet smiling at me, speaking in dulcet tones while preparing me for a lobotomy.

[AutumnW]

getting too convoluted.

[edina]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

I don't see the facts supporting this view, even if the purpose of some who posted in this thread has been to push this view.

Opening post by Praxis, the creator of the thread:


America just declared war on Iran.

We shall see if they accept.

So much for Trump being the anti war anti imperialism candidate.

The people who look the other way on this war mongering disgust me.

Welcome to the new year.

In response to this, Sammy


Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

It is expressed by Edina as if the two are mutually exclusive. It's an indirect way of diminishing an opponent or arguing their point, without being directly confrontational. Capiche?

Actually, the first thing I did after Praxis clarified the purpose of the thread, and it is his thread, was go back and read his first post to see what I missed.

That's why I wrote my response.

I honestly misunderstood the purpose of the thread.

If fact, if I had understood that it was the purpose as he had clarified, then I probably wouldn't have participated to begin with.

I prefer to engage in win/win conversations.

What he describes is a win/lose conversation.

And I meant what said in my response to Praxis, regardless of your personal attack on me.

[Strat]

Hey folks - mod hat on here. Just please remember to keep this discussion civil. Much thanks.

[AutumnW]

Edina,

With regards your statement that you didn't understand the purpose of the thread, you have been thanking posts for the last five days including ones that are filled with almost nothing BUT references to the wrong headed nature of the attack on Iran. To claim you didn't know what the thread is about isn't honest and I wish you would stop with these techniques. If you want to disagree, it's all good, just come out and say it.

[edina]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread.

Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

I'll read deeper on your comments provided above, and see if I have anything of positive value to add to the conversation.

I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread.



Well this is the crux of the thing Edina. The action that this thread is about is the point. It proves the point.

I am not proving this point. Trump is with action and policy are proving the point. This is the crux of the issue.

You are trying to flip this and play the outrage that you couldnt see my agenda like I pulled something on you.

My agenda is never hidden. If you have been around you can see this in my posts. Generally, I am anti war and murder. Trump clearly is not.

These actions and many others prove it. His inaction in many ways also show this (not immediately withdrawing from our occupations like he said in the campaign, like obama said . . . ).

These actions that the admin takes and doesnt take are the point Edina. They make my point for me. I am just pointing them out.

I really enjoy the "I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread" and this victim framing passive aggressive high grounding.

This is why I dont engage the Q people. They never address the issues I bring up.

Edina, You have not mentioned the occupations which I reference. Why is this?
Why do you not hold Trump to this point if you are anti occupation and anti war? They are kind of a big deal at trillions of dollars and almost two decades and thousand of soldiers with PTSD and lost limbs(not to mention the death and destruction of the Iraqi and Afghani people and land themselves!)

Why do we let the idea go that Trump is both fighting the deep state but paralayzed to act as the Executive Branch CEO?

Sorry Praxis, I didn't see this until just now.

1. I'm not outraged.
2. I don't feel like a victim.
3. I'm thinking. (I left you a message on your profile page.)
4. It seems to me that a conversation set up to prove a point is a win/lose dynamic. Or an either/or framework.

I said, I'll be reading your comments to see if there is a way for me to participate in this thread in a positive, constructive way.

I'm not interested in trying to prove/disprove one point of view of over another. It seems to me that structure sets up an adversarial dynamic.

I'm not argumentative by nature. I tend to think in terms of and/and.

I'm trying to figure out how to proceed in a way that builds bridges of understanding.

I get to think about this, if I choose.

And please understand I am and have been considering your point of view.

[AutumnW]

Edited out comments. I am too tired to be posting.

[edina]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Which comments do you want me to edit out?

[Chester]

Edina,

With regards your statement that you didn't understand the purpose of the thread, you have been thanking posts for the last five days including ones that are filled with almost nothing BUT references to the wrong headed nature of the attack on Iran. To claim you didn't know what the thread is about isn't honest and I wish you would stop with these techniques. If you want to disagree, it's all good, just come out and say it.

But Autumn, "wrong headed nature" is your opinion... there's nothing wrong with others having a different opinion.

And when someone reads the thread title, as I did, one might feel stimulated to comment (as I did). I was originally concerned the situation would go a different way (such as escalation) but instead, whether by luck, by calculation, by a bit of both... the way it has worked out as of now (other than Iran's tragic mistake which IS a big deal but again, is Iran's mistake) is good from the perspective of removal of a master warrior general that indeed kill hundreds of US soldiers, hundreds if not thousands of others outside Iran and over 1,000 Iranians just a few months ago...

And this is why you see what you see in the streets in Iran right now - a great deal of Iranians do not want to be ruled by a religious dictator apparently.

[AutumnW]

Oh Man, I am just so tired, Sorry, Any comment of mine you quoted that feels offensive to you

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Will respond tomorrow, Sammy.

[edina]

Edina,

With regards your statement that you didn't understand the purpose of the thread, you have been thanking posts for the last five days including ones that are filled with almost nothing BUT references to the wrong headed nature of the attack on Iran. To claim you didn't know what the thread is about isn't honest and I wish you would stop with these techniques. If you want to disagree, it's all good, just come out and say it.

I know you're tired. So no worries.

I thank comments I agree with, and I thank comments I disagree with.

Mostly, I thank comments that I feel informed by, or raises a point I hadn't considered, or offers a source that is new to me, ect...

I tend not to thank comments that feel negative in their tone. Although occasionally I will, for some of the various reasons mentioned above.

Sometimes, people can read too much into the whole "thanks" or no "thanks" thing.

Why would you be monitoring my thanks?

[Frank V]

... the way it has worked out as of now (other than Iran's tragic mistake which IS a big deal but again, is Iran's mistake) is good from the perspective of removal of a master warrior general that indeed kill hundreds of US soldiers, hundreds if not thousands of others outside Iran and over 1,000 Iranians just a few months ago...

So, Sam, by your own logic, it would then be okay for just about any nation state in the Middle East and several in the Far East to assassinate George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Donald Trump ─ or any of their respective vice-presidents and their respective Secretaries of Defense ─ because of the millions of Iraqi civilians who've died because of the instability in their country since the US invasion of Iraq, the systematic torture of prisoners of war and terrorism suspects, and loads of other gross violations of the UN Declaration of Human Rights? And I suppose it would then also be perfectly okay to carry out this assassination by way of a drone strike on US American soil ─ say, at a civilian US American airport?

By the way, did you know that George W. Bush can never set foot in Europe again? You see, over here, he has been found guilty as a war criminal and there is an outstanding warrant within the European Union for his arrest.

[edina]

... the way it has worked out as of now (other than Iran's tragic mistake which IS a big deal but again, is Iran's mistake) is good from the perspective of removal of a master warrior general that indeed kill hundreds of US soldiers, hundreds if not thousands of others outside Iran and over 1,000 Iranians just a few months ago...

So, Sam, by your own logic, it would then be okay for just about any nation state in the Middle East and several in the Far East to assassinate George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Donald Trump ─ or any of their respective vice-presidents and their respective Secretaries of Defense ─ because of the millions of Iraqi civilians who've died because of the instability in their country since the US invasion of Iraq, the systematic torture of prisoners of war and terrorism suspects, and loads of other gross violations of the UN Declaration of Human Rights? And I suppose it would then also be perfectly okay to carry out this assassination by way of a drone strike on US American soil ─ say, at a civilian US American airport?

By the way, did you know that George W. Bush can never set foot in Europe again? You see, over here, he has been found guilty as a war criminal and there is an outstanding warrant within the European Union for his arrest.

That's interesting, do you have a source link for that?

[Frank V]

... the way it has worked out as of now (other than Iran's tragic mistake which IS a big deal but again, is Iran's mistake) is good from the perspective of removal of a master warrior general that indeed kill hundreds of US soldiers, hundreds if not thousands of others outside Iran and over 1,000 Iranians just a few months ago...

So, Sam, by your own logic, it would then be okay for just about any nation state in the Middle East and several in the Far East to assassinate George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Donald Trump ─ or any of their respective vice-presidents and their respective Secretaries of Defense ─ because of the millions of Iraqi civilians who've died because of the instability in their country since the US invasion of Iraq, the systematic torture of prisoners of war and terrorism suspects, and loads of other gross violations of the UN Declaration of Human Rights? And I suppose it would then also be perfectly okay to carry out this assassination by way of a drone strike on US American soil ─ say, at a civilian US American airport?

By the way, did you know that George W. Bush can never set foot in Europe again? You see, over here, he has been found guilty as a war criminal and there is an outstanding warrant within the European Union for his arrest.

That's interesting, do you have a source link for that?

If you are referring to my last paragraph, then no, I'm afraid not. The Bush Jr. administration ended 11 years and, for myself, several computers ago. ;)

[Frank V]

By the way ─ and I realize that it's slightly off-topic for this particular thread ─ but the vast majority of the member base here believes in reincarnation. So what do you think about the following woo-woo hypothesis?



42275


Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini was born on 29 July 1883 and died on 28 April 1945. Donald John Trump was born on 14 June 1946.

[edina]

By the way ─ and I realize that it's slightly off-topic for this particular thread ─ but the vast majority of the member base here believes in reincarnation. So what do you think about the following woo-woo hypothesis?



42275


Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini was born on 29 July 1883 and died on 28 April 1945. Donald John Trump was born on 14 June, 1946.

Your image link is broken. (Never mind, I see the image now. :) )

I thought he was a reincarnation of George Washington, or in some way shares an energetic signature with George Washington.

But that comes a from personal experience I had.

Signing out now, well past my bedtime.

[Frank V]

I thought he was a reincarnation of George Washington, or in some way shares an energetic signature with George Washington.

But that comes a from personal experience I had.

George Washington wasn't exactly the hero US Americans make him out to be either. His dentures were made from the teeth of his slaves (and some from animals). There is also a rumor ─ but there is no conclusive evidence either way ─ that he may have engaged in cannibalism.

But we're drifting off-topic.

[Jayke]

Thierry Meyssans latest article (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208858.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=d12aaf0a76816236355029feb9f027c5a946e2bd-1579018996-0-AaOsQzyB51H8AkvhXXwCaw6HQdChLwSFc6VjIMOaKyEVqiR-CO0UsiHa_WMY5Kgmfyy50sJn0nmIt56CdvQUXy0sz2zW-UO21iIHxjibpoqO2aoVzS0ZRKbeMtZufufBWYaY6yhLagmB7e_a_X7mFhQzy0wLKml_twRQxvLn4iBkxYWCJ0bPqnr4h17_rG8R6 DJjKDMetC7yWy_LVqz9tx-KjayTRFTL56sxkcBuL7d3fsmvoYbAQFSwM3Otgk4qsUDf09NgbmpyDdRo1CJ75voZgpxcRyhC_Wq0uy4_hFeG) on the Soleimani situation:

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https://www.voltairenet.org/article208858.html





Behind the Scenes of U.S./Iran Relations by Thierry Meyssan

By having Iranian General Qassem Soleimani assassinated in Iraq, President Trump nearly provoked the Third World War. At least that is the version of the US opposition and the international press. For Thierry Meyssan, what happens behind the scenes is very different from the show on stage. According to him, there is a move towards a coordinated military withdrawal of the United States and Iran from the Middle East.

Two countries divided

Relations between the USA and Iran are all the more difficult to understand because these two states are deeply divided:

- The United States is ruled by President Donald Trump, but all experts see that the federal administration is strongly opposed to him, does not implement his instructions and is involved in the ongoing parliamentary process for his removal.

- This is not a political division between Republicans and Democrats, since President Trump is not from that party, even though he has been nominated, but from a cultural divide: that of the three Anglo-Saxon civil wars (the British Civil War, U.S. Independence and the Civil War). Today it opposes the culture of the Rednecks, heirs of the "conquest of the West", and that of the Puritans, heirs of the "Pilgrim Fathers" of the Mayflower [1].

- There are two competing powers in Iran: on the one hand the government of Sheikh Hassan Rohani and on the other the Guide of the Revolution, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Contrary to the claims of the Western media, it is not this or that group that is paralyzing the country, but the death struggle that these two groups are waging against each other.

- President Rohani represents the interests of the bourgeoisie in Tehran and Esfahan, merchants oriented toward international trade and hard hit by U.S. sanctions. Sheikh Rohani is a long-time friend of the US deep state: he was the first Iranian contact between the Reagan administration and Israel during the Iran-Contra affair in 1985. It was he who introduced Hashem Rafsanjani to Oliver North’s men, allowing him to buy arms, to become the commander-in-chief of the armies and incidentally the richest man in the country, and then the President of the Islamic Republic. Sheikh Rohani was chosen by the Obama administration and Ali-Akbar Velayati during secret negotiations in Oman in 2013 to put an end to the secular nationalism of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and restore relations between the two countries.

- On the contrary, the Guide of the Revolution is a function created by Imam Rouhollah Khomeini on the model of the sage of Plato’s Republic - there is nothing Muslim about it. Ayatollah Khamenei is supposed to ensure that political decisions do not contravene the principles of Islam and those of the anti-imperialist Revolution of 1978. He is the head of the Revolutionary Guard militia, of which General Qassem Soleimani was a member. His budget is extremely variable according to unforeseen fluctuations in oil revenues. It is therefore he - and not the Rohanian administration - that is most affected by the US sanctions. In recent years, he has tried to establish himself as a reference point within Islam in general, inviting to Tehran all the religious and political leaders of the Muslim world, including its fiercest opponents.

Most of the decisions taken by either power, both in the US and in Iran, are immediately contradicted by his competitor.

Another difficulty in understanding what is happening comes from the lies that these two powers have accumulated over the years, many of which are still very much present. We will only mention those that have been mentioned in recent days:

- There was never a hostage crisis in 1979. US diplomatic personnel who were taken prisoner were arrested in flagrante delicto for spying. The embassy in Tehran was the CIA headquarters for the entire Middle East. It was not the Iranians but the United States that violated the obligations of diplomatic status. Two Marines of the embassy guard denounced the CIA’s actions, the espionage material is still visible in the embassy premises and the top-secret documents seized there have been published in more than 80 volumes.

- The Islamic Republic of Iran has never recognized the State of Israel, but has never had the objective of annihilating the Jewish population. It advocated the principle of "one man, one vote", while persisting in considering that it also applied to all Palestinians who had emigrated and acquired foreign nationality. In 2019, it submitted a proposal for a referendum on self-determination in geographical Palestine (i.e. both Israel and political Palestine) to the UN Security Council.

- Iran and Israel are not irreducible enemies since they jointly operate the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, which is jointly owned by the two states [2].

- Iran stopped all research on atomic weapons in 1988 when Imam Khomeini declared weapons of mass destruction incompatible with his vision of Islam. Documents stolen by Israel and revealed by its Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2018 show that subsequent research has focused only on a shock wave generator (part of an atomic bomb detonator) [3]. It is not a nuclear part, but a mechanical part that can be used for other purposes.

https://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L400xH300/208835-2-799c9.jpg
Seen from the West, President Trump has just added Qassem Soleimani to his list of murdered terrorists. But seen from the Middle East, he has just changed sides: after having shot Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, he has killed Daesh’s main enemy, Qassem Soleimani.

The assassination of the hero

With these foundations in place, let us look at the assassination of General Qassem Soleimani and the crisis it provoked.

General Soleimani was an exceptional soldier. He launched his military carreer during the war imposed by Iraq (1980-88). His Special Forces, the Al-Quods section (i.e. Jerusalem in Arabic and Persian), came to the rescue of all the peoples of the Middle East who were victims of imperialism. For example, he was present alongside Lebanese Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah and Syrian General Hassan Turkmani in Beirut in the face of the Israeli attack in 2006. He distinguished between imperialism and the United States and negotiated many times with Washington, even proposing detailed alliances, for example in 2001 with President George Bush Jr. against the Afghan Taliban. However, from May 2018, he was only allowed to fight alongside the Shiite communities. Violating the ceasefire of the 1973 war, he launched attacks against Israel from Syrian territory, placing Damascus in the greatest embarrassment.

Although President Trump understood the military role he played under Ayatollah Khamenei, he did not understand the symbol he had become and the admiration he enjoyed in almost every military academy in the world. He took a major risk in allowing his elimination and damaged his own reputation in the Middle East. Indeed, while as US president he had consistently opposed his country’s support for al-Qaeda and Daesh, he was responsible for the death of a man who embodied that fight in many theatres of operation through his blood. There is no need to dwell on the illegality of this assassination. This has not changed much in the behaviour of the United States since its inception.

The assassination of Qassem Suleimani followed Washington’s designation of the Revolutionary Guards as a "terrorist organization" (sic). Iranians share a strong sense of being a people, a civilization. His death therefore temporarily reunited the two political powers in a single emotion. Millions of people took to the streets for his funeral.

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The conflagration will not take place

All Western media have reported on Iran’s response plans over the past several years. But it is not on the basis of these plans that President Rohani and Guide Khamenei have reflected. The Iranians are not kids fighting in a schoolyard. They are a nation. So both leaders have reacted according to the best interests of their country, as they see it. Therefore, thunderous statements calling for revenge should not be taken seriously. There will be no Iranian revenge, just as there was no revenge from Hizbollah for the illegal Israeli assassination of Imad Moughniyah in Damascus in 2008.

For Sheikh Rohani, regardless of General Soleimani’s death, it is essential to renew contact with Washington. Until now, he has considered that the Obama administration was the interlocutor that allowed him to come to power. Donald Trump was only a hitch in his career, destined to be removed from office at the beginning of his presidency (Russiagate and now Ukrainegate). He had therefore rejected his many calls for negotiations. However, President Trump is still there and is expected to remain there for the next four years. Affected by his illegal sanctions, the Iranian economy is sunk. The reaction of international empathy to the illegal assassination of General Soleimani therefore allows him to approach these negotiations not from a position of inferiority, but from a position of strength.

For Ayatollah Khamenei, not only has the United States been a predator for Iran for a century, but Donald Trump is not a man of his word. Not because he did not keep his promises, but because he did not keep the promises of his predecessor. The 5+1 agreement had been approved by the UN Security Council. Iran regarded it as a law set in stone. Donald Trump tore it up, which he had every right to do. In addition to this public agreement, there was a secret agreement on the distribution of influence in the Middle East. This second text was also cancelled by President Trump and it is he who intends to renegotiate it bilaterally.

Iran quickly announced that it no longer respected the 5+1 agreement, while pro-Iranian Iraqi MPs demanded the departure of US troops from their country. Contrary to what the Western media were led to believe, these two decisions were not competitive bids, but offers of peace. The 5+1 agreement no longer exists since the US withdrawal. Iran acknowledged this after having tried in vain to save it. The departure of US troops not only from Iraq, but from the entire Middle East is a commitment made by Donald Trump during his presidential campaign. He could not make it come true given the opposition of his administration. Iran sided with him.

The powerful US oil lobby has given its support to President Trump by questioning the "Carter Doctrine". In 1980, President Jimmy Carter had stated that oil from the Gulf was indispensable to the US economy. As a result, the CentCom was created by his successor and the Pentagon guaranteed US companies access to oil from the Gulf. But today, the United States is independent when it comes to energy. It no longer needs this oil and therefore no longer needs to deploy its troops in the region. For them, the stakes have shifted. It is no longer a question of appropriating Arab-Persian oil, but of controlling world oil trade.

The political leaders have not been able to adapt to the development of the means of communication. They talk too much and too fast. They hold postures and no longer know how to backtrack. Having uttered unbelievable calls for revenge, the Guardians of the Revolution had to react. But they had to be responsible and not make things worse. So they chose to bomb two US military bases in Iraq without causing casualties. Just as France, the United States and the United Kingdom had condemned Syria for allegedly using chemical weapons. Then, in the end, they bombed a military base without causing any casualties (but they did cause a fire that burned down the area around the base).

It goes without saying that the US will not give up anything without compensation. Its military withdrawal will only be done in coordination with the Iranian military withdrawal. General Qassem Soleimani embodied precisely the Iranian military deployment. It is this double withdrawal that is currently being negotiated. We are already seeing a US withdrawal from Syria and Iraq to Kuwait. The episode of the letter sent, then cancelled, by General William Sheely III announcing the departure of US troops from Iraq is proof that these negotiations are indeed underway.

Qassem Soleimani would surely be proud of his life, if his death would help to establish regional peace.

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[Pam]

It goes without saying that the US will not give up anything without compensation. Its military withdrawal will only be done in coordination with the Iranian military withdrawal. General Qassem Soleimani embodied precisely the Iranian military deployment. It is this double withdrawal that is currently being negotiated. We are already seeing a US withdrawal from Syria and Iraq to Kuwait. The episode of the letter sent, then cancelled, by General William Sheely III announcing the departure of US troops from Iraq is proof that these negotiations are indeed underway.

The whole "we won't leave without being compensated" is ridiculous. The US government throws billions of dollars around as "aid" (control), not to mention the 23 Trillion allegedly missing. The value of that base is peanuts to the US. I see the US military as huge, mean bully who uses it's size to intimidate.

I would like someone to point out one regime change intervention by the US that has had a positive outcome?


President Trump said Thursday he will reduce the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to 8,600 but the U.S. will maintain a presence after a deal with the Taliban is reached in the 18-year war. https://thehill.com/policy/defense/459281-trump-us-to-drawdown-to-8600-troops-in-afghanistan

The whole friggin thing is beginning to look like a parody of the wars in the book "1984"

These wars, skirmishes, regime changes and assassinations are nothing more than perpetuating the military industrial complex, (and probably fulfilling a higher agenda that we are not privy to) it is simply feeding the beast. I do admit Trump gives us a far more dramatic, reality show type presentation of the whole thing.

This is much bigger than the Iranian people liking or hating Soleimani , or whether Iran has an oppressive government. This is about a military person murdered by a drone during peace time in a public setting in another country by a government from a country halfway around the world. Did we now set a presidence for this? Are all you that think this was ok willing to have the same thing happen in your country, at your airport or other public place by another country who decides someone is evil, or is this just ok for the US?

[Praxis]

It is down to this:

Iraq has officially asked to leave.

Trump said no.

This means he had the chance to leave as we have been asked, i.e. an excuse to leave which is what you seem to think he needs, and he said no.

Edina, This is not a win lose situation.

This is lose lose.

The first lose is you support a war monger. Doesnt feel good does it? Since you support a war monger, that kind of makes you one too. This is why you are trying to do the Naive do gooder routine. You have realized you are wearing this hat and it is uncomfortable.

The second lose is we are still occupying Iraq and Afghanistan which has been some of my most central issues since 2001. Which means my country is war monger which means I am too. See how this works? I am wearing this hat and I ****ing hate it.

You are worse than me however as you actually support the admin doing it. But I am still a war monger too as, there are no civilians with a government by and for the people. That is why I get so upset.

You and your president make me a war monger. Thanks. Just like obama and the worthless ass dems made me a warmonger. Just like Bush and the evil neo cons made me a war monger.

I dont like being these things because people like you wish and hope that your man is something he is not.

This is lose lose.

Lose trillions of dollars

Lose Millions of lives.

I am upset because you dont even seem to realize these things. Do you not get how much money we spend on DOD each year and how Trump brags that he is spending more?

[Chester]

Boris Johnson backs Trump to land a new deal with Iran (https://www.afr.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-backs-trump-to-land-a-new-deal-with-iran-20200114-p53rhy)

London | British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said he's prepared to break the European consensus and rip up the nuclear deal with Iran in favour of a new pact negotiated by US President Donald Trump.


In addition, rumblings from the EU suggest new sanctions on Iran coming.

[Sue (Ayt)]

... the way it has worked out as of now (other than Iran's tragic mistake which IS a big deal but again, is Iran's mistake) is good from the perspective of removal of a master warrior general that indeed kill hundreds of US soldiers, hundreds if not thousands of others outside Iran and over 1,000 Iranians just a few months ago...

So, Sam, by your own logic, it would then be okay for just about any nation state in the Middle East and several in the Far East to assassinate George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Donald Trump ─ or any of their respective vice-presidents and their respective Secretaries of Defense ─ because of the millions of Iraqi civilians who've died because of the instability in their country since the US invasion of Iraq, the systematic torture of prisoners of war and terrorism suspects, and loads of other gross violations of the UN Declaration of Human Rights? And I suppose it would then also be perfectly okay to carry out this assassination by way of a drone strike on US American soil ─ say, at a civilian US American airport?

By the way, did you know that George W. Bush can never set foot in Europe again? You see, over here, he has been found guilty as a war criminal and there is an outstanding warrant within the European Union for his arrest.

That's interesting, do you have a source link for that?

If you are referring to my last paragraph, then no, I'm afraid not. The Bush Jr. administration ended 11 years and, for myself, several computers ago. ;)

Apparently it was a meme, but with some legs as to protests and concerns for Bush's safety.
Are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney unable to visit Europe due to threat of arrest?

(https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/17/facebook-posts/are-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-unable-visit-europe-/)

[Chester]

The New York Times (Jan 13, 2020)

Iran’s Grim Economy Limits Its Willingness to Confront the U.S. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/business/economy/iran-economy.html)

Iran is caught in a wretched economic crisis. Jobs are scarce. Prices for food and other necessities are skyrocketing. The economy is rapidly shrinking. Iranians are increasingly disgusted.

Crippling sanctions imposed by the Trump administration have severed Iran’s access to international markets, decimating the economy, which is now contracting at an alarming 9.5 percent annual rate, the International Monetary Fund estimated. Oil exports were effectively zero in December, according to Oxford Economics, as the sanctions have prevented sales, even though smugglers have transported unknown volumes.

On Tuesday, pressure intensified as Britain, France and Germany served notice that they would formally trigger negotiations with Iran toward forcing it back into compliance with a 2015 nuclear deal — a step that could ultimately lead to the imposition of United Nations sanctions.

The bleak economy appears to be tempering the willingness of Iran to escalate hostilities with the United States, its leaders cognizant that war could profoundly worsen national fortunes. In recent months, public anger over joblessness, economic anxiety and corruption has emerged as a potentially existential threat to Iran’s hard-line regime.

Only a week ago, such sentiments had been redirected by outrage over the Trump administration’s Jan. 3 killing of Iran’s top military commander, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani. But protests flared anew over the weekend in Tehran, and then continued on Monday, after the government’s astonishing admission that it was — despite three days of denial — responsible for shooting down a Ukrainian jetliner.

The demonstrations were most pointedly an expression of contempt for the regime’s cover-up following its downing of the Ukrainian jet, which killed all 176 people on board. But the fury in the streets resonated as a rebuke for broader grievances — diminishing livelihoods, financial anxiety and the sense that the regime is at best impotent in the face of formidable troubles.

[Jayke]

Regarding the downed airliner. Iran’s cyber research lab now claiming it was a US cyberattack:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Jorjani/status/1217148101502406656
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Which, if legit, adds some validity to an article written by Robert David Steele on the same incident:

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https://en.mehrnews.com/news/154549/WORLD-WAR-III-Was-Ukrainian-flight-PS752-a-Western-false-flag





WORLD WAR III: Was Ukrainian flight PS752 a Western false flag combining remote hijacking and transponder disabling to trigger two Tor-M1 missiles?

I managed a false flag operation for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and wrote the original warning letter to the White House, in 1994, on the vulnerability of all electronic systems. Since then I have published a book and many articles and chapters on the many US and Israeli false flags and the continued vulnerability of all systems, including particularly Boeing aircraft that are designed to enable US and Israeli remote hijacking that can, in addition to taking control away from the pilots, can also turn off the radio and the transponder.

I believe this event was a false flag event designed to discredit the Supreme Leader and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) while also seeking to drive a wedge between Iran and Ukraine, the latter being central to the US-dominated nuclear smuggling ring that President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton nurtured and protected in return for tens of millions of dollars in bribes.

Here is what I think happened, with a tip of the hat to Ian Greenhaigh of Veterans Today, whose articles, “Exclusive: PS752 Shot Down In Regime Change Attempt” and “Delving Deeper into PS752” have both been helpful to my reflections.

01- The Boeing aircraft, designed to be hijacked by the US or Israel governments at any time including via satellite – a nearby aircraft is not needed – was remotely taken over. Both the communications system and the transponder were turned off. Whether the pilots were allowed to retain control or not, the aircraft indisputably turned back toward the airport from which it had taken off minutes earlier.

02- Because the transponder was turned off, the aircraft, uniquely among the many flights approaching, was identified by the Tor-M1 integrated transport, launch, and radar unit, as hostile. If the crew was taking a break and had the unit set on “auto” then the system would have fired a missile as soon as the “hostile” aircraft was in range, never mind that it was moving very slowly, was on a known international commercial trajectory, and no incoming missiles had been reported by the Iranian system of intercept radars with longer-range vision. There are reports from the IRGC that communications “jamming” was experienced, this could have been intentional, to eliminate access to contradictory information. I personally do not believe the crew was alert and watching their screens because there is no possible confusion between a very high speed high angle incoming cruise missile and a very slow speed low angle commercial aircraft limping back to its point of origin.

03- Two missiles appears to have been fired, not one. The first took out one of the two engines. A similar aircraft successfully landed once before, in Baghdad, after precisely the same mishap. A second missile was launched, perhaps also automatically (if the crew was smoking all of this would have happened in 8 to ten seconds, before they could scramble back into their places and shut down the system), and this is what brought the aircraft down. The Tor-M1 has eight missiles, if it was on auto and the crew was outside the vehicle, this was done and over before they realized what was happening.

04- Alternatively, the aircraft could have been driven into the ground via remote piloting. Normally aircraft with full loads of fuel do not land, they circle the airport for four hours or so to burn off enough fuel to be light enough to land without additional hazard.

It is clear to me that the early admission by the IRGC of “human error” is a well-intentioned but misguided attempt to be honest. All possibilities should have been considered before making such an admission, and a deeper look into the specific crew and specific Tor-M1 unit should have been taken, to include a guarantee of complete leniency toward the Tor-M1 crew in return for the truth about their precise physical locations and activities during the missile launches.

As I have written before, in “WORLD WAR III? President Donald Trump Was Lied To, Will This Martyrdom Lead to a Restored Palestine?” (Tehran Times, 6 January 2020), I continue to believe that President Donald Trump is being lied to and manipulated by a combination of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper (both members of the notorious West Point 1986 Mafia), and by Gina Haspel, Director of the CIA. I also believe that the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) is failing to serve the President with accurate timely signals intelligence covering both domestic treason and international acts of war intended to discredit the Iranian regime and start World War III.

For example, the President was persuaded to do a tweet in Farsi (the Americans refer to the language as Persian), and then told that this tweet had received over 200,000 “likes,” which is quite extraordinary. What the President was not told was that Twitter is controlled in Iran, and all of the “likes” came from a few Iranian-Americans resident in the USA, and from hundreds of hired trolls who do not even speak Farsi, they were simply told to use thousands of fake accounts to “like” the tweet.

There are increasing reports to the effect that Dick Cheney is still in charge of rogue elements of the US Government via the Continuity of Government (COG) program that is notionally controlled by the CIA but now actually managed by very secret units within the largest US defense contractors, units so secret that existing politicians including the President, and existing office holders including the Director of the CIA, are not briefed nor “cleared” for full access. This is the core of our domestic treason network.

The restraint of the Supreme Leader, and the restraint of President Vladimir Putin, who was easily justified in putting a nuclear missile in New York City for the “Gold War’ that destroyed the Russian economy using $240 billion in illicit funds under the leadership of Dick Cheney and the administration of George Tenet, Buzzy Krongard, John Brennan, and William Browder, is to be admired.

What is missing at this time is an international network able to communicate the truth to the American public generally, and President Donald Trump specifically. Our President is being lied to every day by his “minders” from the National Security Council, by the West Point 1986 Mafia, by the Director of the CIA, and by the Zionist-sponsored neo-conservatives including their Iranian wing. My recent letter to President Donald Trump will probably not be delivered to him (nor the book that accompanied it) unless the Supreme Leader or his loyal President, or President Vladimir Putin, were to read the letter and ask President Trump what he thinks of the idea of a US Open Source Agency matched by Chinese, Iranian, Russian, and other similar organizations, all designed to educate the public and overcome the lies now so easily carried along by the Zionist-controlled mainstream and social media puppets.

An Open Source Agency in Istanbul (or Cairo) that has the complete support of China, Egypt, Iran, Russia, and Turkey, among others, is the fastest, cheapest way of changing the balance of power in the Middle East and advancing our shared goal of eliminating the invented, criminal, apartheid, genocidal state of Israel. I salute the Supreme Leader’s vital distinction between the state of Israel which must be eliminated and the preservation of Jewish rights in Palestine. One significant mission of the regional OSA might be the translation into Arabic, Chinese, Farsi, Russian, and Turkish of key books such as the four that are reviewed below.

Review (Guest): The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland

Review: Against Our Better Judgment – The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir

Review: Enclosure – Palestinian Landscapes in a Historical Mirror

Review: The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald – BANNED by Amazon in Violation of the 1st Amendment

I offer my condolences to both those killed in what I believe was an act of war – a false flag electronic attack – and those who continue to suffer from illicit sanctions and covert regime change operations that are in violation of the US Constitution and in violation of all applicable international treaties. What is being done to Iran and Iraq (and Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen among others)is not being done with the informed consent of the American people and I will say this for the first time: if President Donald Trump does not clean house and withdraw all our forces from the Middle East, he will lose to Michael Bloomberg and Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. I have published a book to that effect.

Want to help President Trump wage peace and leave the Middle East (which I stress are his instincts as announced during his campaign)? Don’t bomb his golf courses (which was a vastly amusing and brilliant threat). Educate the American people with the truth. There is a very strong anti-war sentiment in America, and a very strong and growing resentment in America of the Zionists and their constant warmongering and state sponsorship of terrorism. Start calling President Donald Trump out on why he not fulfilled his promise to do 9/11 disclosure, why he has not fully disclosed the complete list of all politicians blackmailed by Zionist pedophilia entrapment professional Jeffrey Epstein, why he is not defending the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments of the US Constitution, and above all, why he continues to have a son-in-law in the White House who took a $1 billion bribe from Qatar and is known to be in the pockets of the Saudis?
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[silvanelf]

This thread is about destroying the illusion that trump supporter live in that he is pro peace and anti deep state.

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread.

Because I have been reading so many different points of view in this thread, I had missed it's purpose was to prove a point.

I thought it was about expanding and deepening our understanding of the dynamic situation in Iran.

I'll read deeper on your comments provided above, and see if I have anything of positive value to add to the conversation.

I sincerely misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

^^^ this ^^^

Emphasis mine.

I fully agree. A thread should be as open-minded as possible, I have no interest in a thread which looks like an echo chamber.

[shaberon]

I would like someone to point out one regime change intervention by the US that has had a positive outcome?



I have wondered about that a few times, and my guess is, maybe, Khmer Rouge.

It is possible electronic counter-measures tricked air defense into believing an airliner was a cruise missile; if it was supposed to be a "source of discredit", this is also not working. Instead, it seems to be one of the fastest confessions to a gruesome incident ever. Find one western example of someone who "wanted to die" when they found out they killed civilians. They are straightfoward enough to say they asked Civil Air Control to stop the traffic; although this did not happen, Armed Forces still takes all the blame squarely to themselves.

It sounds like they might even pay reparations relatively soon. But the ripples of this thing are affecting India and other places; it all is reversing against U. S. interest.

[shaberon]

Iran most likely highly over-estimated casualties in the big air evac after their missile strike; however, the U. S. has at least admitted (https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981027000103) that a few people suffered blast concussions, and, when this happens, some of them get to go to Germany.

Most took shelter, however, the drone pilots (https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981026000341) were in "containers", which I guess is a shipping container? They say the attacks incinerated their fiber optic satellite link and:

The soldiers of “the besieged teams” at the base could not locate the drones after the attack and were left in dark both in the air and on the ground, not knowing whether one of their drones had been shot down, it stated.

"It's a pretty big deal, because it's so expensive and there's a lot of stuff on them (drones) that we don't want other people to have or the enemy to get," Herwig noted.

These seem to be a squadron of defensive drones that were, I guess, supposed to prevent an attack like this.

[shaberon]

One thing I did not realize about Ain al Assad "defenses", is that there were no Patriot batteries, as there apparently are none at many "zones of occupation" that anyone would know are sitting ducks to ballistic missiles. In other words, a provocation of Iran is egregiously putting troops in harm's way to a predictable response, whereas Saudi Arabia is equipped with Patriots.

The Soleimani thing had been approved or authorized at least seven weeks previously, so it was a matter of timing, such as when he wast not in Iran, was an obvious choice. William Engdahl (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52863.htm) mentions a few other things about how Iraq was somewhat dissatisfied with American demands for 50% of its oil revenue, so Iraq went to China and got a Memorandum of Understanding towards international reconstruction. According to Engdahl, Prime Minister Abdul Mehdi experienced this afterwards:

"Upon my return, Trump called me to ask me to reject this agreement. When I refused, he threatened to unleash huge demonstrations against me that would end my premiership. Huge demonstrations against me duly materialized and Trump called again to threaten that if I did not comply with his demands, then he would have Marine snipers on tall buildings target protesters and security personnel alike in order to pressure me. I refused again and handed in my resignation."

Spoken in reference to October 2019 demonstrations.

I mean, that's hearsay or off-record or whatever, but who starts crowds and shoots both sides??? Maybe that was prevented by the resignation. What a diplomat.

"We" will probably have to get used to the fact that to "those people", this assassination was a 9 11 or Kennedy type moment, except it lacks the "whodunit".

[prc]

I would recommend to Avalonians to re-read the interview on : http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html
All that was said in that interview is starting to happen now. we had the assassination of the Head of Revolutionary Guard of Iran, meaning that we probably will have a conflict (war) that could scalate to a global conflict. We just had it anounced yesterday that a biological virus is spreading in China, and from there to other countries ( Japan and Thailand). From this interview we can conclude that the person was speaking the truth and we can confirm that events are planned well in advance. So what we can expect, we probably can expect the geophisical event that will destroy our civilization as it is. This is another piece of information given on this interview.

[shaberon]

Yes, there is such a virus outbreak (https://www.rt.com/news/478624-china-mysterious-virus-alert/) epicentered in Wuhan, China.

When we look at such interviews that forecast a somewhat tardy biological armageddon against China, have they taken into account the more recent findings of mass-produced Chinese powder 100 times more potent than Fentanyl, found in Canada a couple years ago?

"Give me a cold, and I'll get you high".

It's not a germ, but a kilo of it churned into the atmosphere of any major city would kill almost everyone right off the bat.

I am a bit suspicious of the possibility that the Anglo-Saxon controls China, is going to wipe it out internally, or by conflict. Some of them would probably like to, I would roughly estimate that all rich, powerful people are interested at saving their own fortunes at the expense of everyone else. Surely the Chinese are aware of such harebrained ploys if published online over fifteen years ago.

Some tycoon like Trump did not even know who Soleimani was, that he had been a U. S. agent in at least three theaters of operations, and instead assumed he had acted against "our forces", which never really happened. Thought he could just push a button, but then apparently was scared to death by the funeral, and hasn't gained much approval anywhere, except the usual puppet choir.

What is "a meeting of Senior Masons"?

When we can put names to rosters, like the Pilgrims' Society, that is something to be troubled by. That is what I am troubled by, and probably is the origin of what is being referred to as Anglo-Saxon, masonic or otherwise.

I am not that far from "the" unit that is designed for the Fourth Reich purpose as described, "totalitarian control structures need to be in place when the catastrophe occurs - with an excuse that the populace will accept and demand them. Martial law in the right, carefully chosen countries before the catastrophe occurs will enable the "right" people to survive and prosper in the post-catastrophic world...", it's pretty serious, there certainly is a draconian potential with a lot of resources, but I think they have run out of harassment power towards China, and probably Korea, India, Russia, Iran, Syria, and Turkey. I don't think this Great Game can be completed; 200+ year old British tactic. I can see how my parents' generation was probably swindled by a lot of this garbage. I can also see a significant increase in personal bunker purchases where the owners are already paranoid about maintaining the loyalty of their own security forces if a catastrophe happens.

There is no way to be sure, but it seems to me that "rich people afraid for their own survival" probably outweigh "rich people that want to kill everything" by, enough of a margin, that whoever falls in the second camp is never really in a position to get away with everything they can scheme up.

What the I. R. A. found worked for them was two bombs in The City. That's about all it takes to negotiate your way out of a 400 year old conflict.

Yes I think the evil plan is largely true both in character and material fact, but will be falling a step shy of total disaster to the benefit of Zionism. Steady attrition at a high cost with various kinds of tyranny will probably be with us for a long time, and with enough pollution and contaminants in general, humanity could probably collectively reduce itself in a century or two. Since military control didn't work, in the 19th century British financial interest was to inject and vampirize the U. S., and, as this husk dries out, I would expect the country to witness a rather drastic plummet in stature.

Another example is, one could snoop around for more information, but, with the passing of Rockefeller, his children did not seem to share his propensity for manipulation. The "World War Two" regime will mostly crumble away like that.

Lavrov (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-detected-6-f-35-jets-near-borders-of-iran-after-attack-on-us-base-lavrov/) claims they watched F-35s come out during the tension, which they're not supposed to be able to detect.

[Jayke]

The Iranians are more savvy than most people give them credit for. They seem to be wise to the Anglo-Saxon (Pilgrims Society) mission of instigating nuclear war in the area, and are acting accordingly to not fall into the trap. Rather than blame Trump for dancing to the tune of the ”Senior Executive Service”, (the Pilgrims Society’s legal branch which shapes and controls US policies (https://aim4truth.org/2018/01/03/deep-state-shadow-government-revealed-senior-executive-service/)) the Iranians are calling out the British ’behind-the-scenes’ influence directly:

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https://larouchepub.com/pr/2020/200114_iran_fm.html





Iranian Foreign Ministry Unloads on the British Empire

Jan. 14, 2020 (EIRNS)—While the U.S. under President Donald Trump has been the most common target of Iran’s ire, the Iranian Foreign Ministry, in the wake of obvious British efforts to instigate anti-government protests in the wake of the Ukrainian airliner crash, has issued a statement pointing the finger at British colonialism as the source of the evils in the region. The only mistake it makes is to portray the British as following along behind the United States, when, in reality, it’s really the other way around. The statement was issued, Tasnim News reports, as a denunciation of British Ambassador Rob Macaire’s attendance at a memorial-turned-protest in Tehran as a blatant interference in the internal affairs of Iran, and as being in contravention of the principles of diplomatic relations that raises suspicions of the U.K.’s involvement in the failed policy of the U.S.’ maximum pressure policy.

“It is obvious that the U.K. regime is still having anti-Iran delusions on the basis of a dangerous miscalculation and is seeking an escalation of tensions in the region and in its relations with Iran. The British leaders must know that the accusations against Iran could not cover up that regime’s (U.K.’s) blind obedience to the U.S., Britain’s scandalous failure to honor its JCPOA commitments, or even the refusal to abide by a verdict given by a British court on repaying hundreds of millions of pounds in debt to the people of Iran due to its fear of the U.S. Any new British mistake will face Iran’s harsh and proportionate reaction, and the U.K. government bears responsibility for all of its consequences,”

the statement read.

Mentioning the history of British colonialism in the Middle East, the Iranian Foreign Ministry said the era of interference of British ambassadors in the internal affairs of other countries, fomenting divisions and fueling domestic conflicts has ended a long time ago.

“The U.K. must abandon such scandalous activities and realize that the time when the sun never set on the British Empire has been over for decades,” the statement underlined, adding,

“With all different tastes and views, the vigilant people of Iran do not accept foreign interference, particularly from the governments with a record of colonialism and support for dictators, and would not forget that the very same British government is the main supporter and arms supplier of those who slaughtered (Saudi journalist Jamal) Khashoggi and who kill children in Yemen.”

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs finally called on the U.K. Embassy in Tehran to stop any meddling and provocative measure immediately, and warned that if such behavior continues, the Foreign Ministry will no longer be satisfied by only summoning the ambassador.
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Khamenei’s response to the threat of war escalation also demonstrates a great understanding of the deep state politics and agendas at play.

At 3:45mins, Hussain Askary quotes khamenei as saying...”We are going to make the Americans angry and frustrated, not by military means, but by educating our youth in science and culture, and by building our country.”

The rest of the interview gives an excellent overview of the moves towards peace and stability the Russians and Chinese are implementing to help thwart the threat of Anglo-Saxon mission.

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[shaberon]

...the Iranians are calling out the British ’behind-the-scenes’ influence directly...


From what I have been able to tell, it has not ever not been this way. The Arabic phrase for "deceitful plot" is "smells British", since before Sykes-Picot, going back at least to the Great Game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game) and Suez Canal. The U. S. had nothing to do with it, until, World War One was the catharsis to get it to offshore its military might. Simultaneously, interior to the U. S., finance, intelligence, and the State Department was re-formulated according to British influence.

At some point, and definitely by the 1930s, this was all in the grip of Synarchy, in other words, added a host of powerful French and Germans who no longer cared for their own countries, but were obsessed with putting in the trans-national dictatorship that was successful and largely remains in place since World War Two.

"Interference of British ambassadors in the internal affairs of other countries...ended..." sounds accurate; the "mole system" is not totally gone, but has lost its iron-clad "guaranteed effectiveness". Unfortunately, money can always rent mobs and find someone to fight. So the "symptoms" keep recurring, but the backbone is largely extracted. And yes, if Iran puts education in the right direction, they will make a superior populace. From what I have seen recently around here, people join the military because it is the only available paycheck; otherwise, most go to school for CGI animation. Sounds desperate; no real motivation or core.

Al Qabas (https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981029000918) reports the American soldiers transferred to Kuwait were due to serious injuries from burns and shrapnel. While FSA is moving to Libya, the U. S. has moved (https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981029000438) ISIS back into western Iraq. Consequently, a few small random rockets were fired near the Embassy Green Zone (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-unknown-rockets-target-area-near-us-embassy-in-baghdad/) in Baghdad.

Our population is rather de-motivated and uneducated, and perhaps the best that can be said is, except for the Zionists, most are getting tired of endless war, or of the permanent occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Most other countries have an elected Foreign Minister who is reviewed for results; the American equivalent is an un-elected State Department that tries to repeat the same story and act as if they are in charge, the kind of leader who tells us what to think. Countries like Iran and Russia have been very wise not to take any bait for major conflict; in the past, something probably would have erupted by now, but they seem to realize that a Pearl Harbor-type retaliation is not productive.

[Iyakum]

Shaberon,

up to the point of World War I and the takeover of the British occupying powers, was almost perfect. The British deposed old Shah and placed his son on the throne. But it wasn't just because of the World War, there were other reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

Shah was sworn in after the British and Soviets invaded Iran. Thus he got ahead of the occupying powers. Nevertheless, the British have more or less received Iranian oil for 40 years without paying for it. Then the US followed the same example, only providing weapons to liberate Iran from the Soviets. However, it is a fact that neither the British nor the United States was interested in what will happen to the country. Seen in this way, part of the wealth of the British consists of oil from Iran.

But you can't do that politically. Because then Saddam would have had the right to occupy Kuwait. Kuwait was a breakaway region from Iraq. But these were also the entire Arab countries that border the Persian Gulf. Because these were all sovereign territories of Iran when Iran was still a superpower. Nobody can undo what happened. This was one of the reasons why Saddam invaded Iran right after the revolution. Because Saddam saw part of Iran as Iraqi territory.

Shaberon is right. When Iran educates its children from an early age, with hate, aversion, frustration, violence against the western world. Then there could be surprises in any case.

[Chester]

Yes, sorta like we see has happened with the youth in the US - quite brainwashed.

[shaberon]

The British deposed old Shah and placed his son on the throne. But it wasn't just because of the World War, there were other reasons.



The new "installed" Reza Pallavi Shah caused a slight difficulty:

During Mohammad Reza's reign, the British owned oil industry was briefly nationalised, under Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, until a UK- and US-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms under the Consortium Agreement of 1954.

It was the first "success" of the C. I. A., which until then, was half-composed of the Nazis' spy network, feeding them bad information.

British Petroleum, or Anglo Iranian Oil had been there since ca. 1920, giving Iran about 20% of its oil revenue while they lived in mud huts. Seems a bit unfair, but not much different from copper mining in modern Zimbabwe, or most everything else they do. Main difference being Iran's strategic location and its potential to be a major power, as it was several times historically.

It must be an untold fortune the British got, but just a fraction compared to the rape of India.

This is the fate of most places that seek to nationalize their resources and infrastructure. This is like a never-ending struggle...not exactly war, but, who owns the stuff and the labor? With war being the answer if you "guess wrong".

One thing about Iranian rhetoric in disparaging the West is that it is aimed at the policies and leadership, with the populace as a whole exempted. Violence against the culture is more the message of Wahhabism--not that they actually do very much. And, it doesn't come from our schools, but, here, there is still a major bloc--maybe a quarter or a third--which supports violence against any kind of "outsider", anywhere else.

The outcome from the assassination appears to be more buildup of proxies around the Iraq-Syria border.

[Iyakum]

Shaberon
I also agree with the more detailed version of the UK strategy. I didn't want to write so extensively so it wouldn't get too much. Still war is not an answer that is correct. It is never a solution, and there will be no war.

But one thing is pretty certain. While countries in which high cultures ruled such as Egypt, Iran, Assyrians etc. etc. there were also wars that is undisputed, but somehow there was a strange turning point. While the civilizations ended their wars or conflicts, the wars in Europe began. Europe spread and started to grow. At the same time, the high cultures that were left went under. Because in my personal opinion their development was stopped.

Knowledge, progress and technology have been snatched away. I suspect that this snatch of doom and further progress have been drastically stopped. Which then led to the end of these cultures. As democracy developed in Europe, absolutism and tyranny were transferred to the remaining high cultures. My personal view is that this tyranny has had a massive impact on culture and progress.

Of course everyone can see how he thinks, that's just my guess.
Shaberon your mindset is correct. All of this still happens all over the world no matter where. Whether Iran, Iraq, Africa, India etc. etc. As Trump said when he is forced by the Iraqi parliament to leave the country. Would he take revenge by destroying the cultural sites ... I can only hope that this doesn't happen, no matter in which country.

[shaberon]

While countries in which high cultures ruled such as Egypt, Iran, Assyrians etc. etc. there were also wars that is undisputed, but somehow there was a strange turning point. While the civilizations ended their wars or conflicts, the wars in Europe began. Europe spread and started to grow. At the same time, the high cultures that were left went under. Because in my personal opinion their development was stopped.




I am not sure if it was a turning point in "wars", but, perhaps, power structure. For instance, the last Persian or Iranian attack was against India ca. 1750. So they mostly stopped fighting and conquering over 200 years ago, compared to which, I guess European wars gained a level first with Napoleon being semi-mechanized nationally. At least in military school he is considered the first example of a modern country placed into a "war economy".

But Europe was never particularly peaceful, and, from what I have seen, her first chance for peace was Treaty of Westphalia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia), 1648. This one seemed pretty fair, compared to all the newer treaties which, using unbalanced power and intentional "map-making for conflict", all carried seeds of future wars, just like Sykes-Picot. Her next best chance was the reign of Franz Josef (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria), forty years over ten ethnicities that did not like each other, and, after him, voila--new "world war" mechanism. So their power structures changed from King and Empire, past Oligarchy (visible puppet masters) to Synarchy (invisible puppet masters). So then in the 1930s you get a border-less, international power structure and its plan to shape the world.

That is at least somewhat correct about "stopping devlopment": the Ming Empire kicked out the European "clock makers", isolated China, and put themselves far behind mechanized technology, where previously, they invented everything. If this is now over, China has something like five shipyards on the scale of cities that the U. S. cannot dream of competing with. They are going to make Port Piraeus in Greece much larger and important than the current shipping capital, Rotterdam. Part of their advantage is they did not have to fiddle with the development of the clock into a multi-core processor--they can just take the best results and go from there.

Swiss-British Communism being the thing that infiltrated the east was at least partially done to have something to "point a finger at", since it is a hard kill style: resist fearless leader and we shoot you. The corresponding "western injection" is soft kill. It is definitely what, for example, Thomas Jefferson would call tyranny: things like mortgage and income tax in support of a huge standing army. And so we are supposed to believe this "choice" is superior to the way of those "savages", even though we are both at the receiving end of a globalist plot which, I suppose, is largely communist in its operations, but actually fascist when seen as the rich basically dictating to the government how things will go.

I think it is a little more than hope, I think it is tangible evidence that the events in Syria and Iran are a turning point against, at least, "unipolar multi-spectrum dominance", because the only bargaining language against this entity is force, and those who do not want it are now able to say so on equal terms. No, it probably will not be any "great war" in the worst possible way, but probably won't end without further incidents and local outbursts. Or what is more likely is the Middle East or "Great Game" zone will be able to stand mostly on its own, and the ravages of conflict will flare in S. America, Africa, and Indonesia; they cannot equip themselves with ballistic missiles or aircraft carriers and therefor have "nothing to say" to whatever comes their way.

[Gracy]

Journalist Aaron Maté from "The Grayzone" interviews former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter concerning Soleimani, and related subjects in the Middle East.

Well worth the 30 minute watch.
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[shaberon]

From the state reprisal to the assassination, what Trump calls "headaches" is apparently traumatic brain injury (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/pentagon-announces-34-us-soldiers-wounded-during-iran-attack/).

Considering there are armies and weapons for anyone with money, one or more Katyusha rockets directly hit the "canteen" of the embassy in the Green Zone (https://www.rt.com/news/479239-rockets-us-embassy-baghdad/). Such moves are usually bad, politically, since it invites greater American force. Perhaps it will quit working that way.

Comparatively, there are far worse Al Qaeda onslaughts going on around the Niger and Mali border in Africa, which is related to the unrest in Libya, which leads right back to Turkey and various mercenaries from Syria.

[Iyakum]

Shaberon,

yes I agree with you, this attack was allegedly carried out by the Revolutionary Guards of Iran. At least that was what Radio Israel announced this morning. But it's true or not ... no idea. However, it invites the United States to order more armed forces in Iraq. This would make Trump's withdrawal from Iraq a lot more difficult.
The outbreak of the epicentered outbreak in Wuhan, China is now in the hands of Trump. So the world is distracted and the worry about the virus outbreak is greater than the five ‘Katyusha rockets’ that hit near the US embassy. The strange thing is that Trump knows that something like this can happen and yet there are no defenses or something like that around the US Embassy?

Wrong flag? Are the US bombing its own message? Why not ? Why shouldn't we ask this question in the room? The United States used the same strategy before, at 9.11 everyone was shocked and totally distracted from what happened after 9.11. As far as I can remember, the attack took place without a UN mandate, almost a month after the WTC and Pentagon attacks.

But what now? More fictional attacks going wrong or will the US Embassy in Baghdad and all of its employees be sacrificed? For what? A justification for the United States to stay in Iraq and increase troops rather than withdraw? Assuming that was so, and those missiles from whoever launched them, Trump would give the legitimacy to bring even more US troops to Iraq.

This would pave the way. The Russians and Turks are employed in Libya, since both need the raw materials and expand their territories. In China, they are fully occupied with the virus. Nobody cares what Al Qaeda does in Mali and Niger. So the next possible conclusion would be that attacks will take place at shorter intervals in the near future. Trump, of course, wants to blame Iran. The way is open, whether a war is going on or not. The United States will not withdraw from Iraq ... This is my personal opinion which does not have to be correct.

[Gracy]

The United States will not withdraw from Iraq ...

The United States will not withdraw from anywhere. Period.

To any who doubt this, just pay attention to the actions, and not the rhetoric.

[Praxis]

The United States will not withdraw from Iraq ...

The United States will not withdraw from anywhere. Period.

To any who doubt this, just pay attention to the actions, and not the rhetoric.

In FPS game there is a concept called spawn camping. What this means is you hang out in the part of the map that people who were dead and are being re spawned into the game will come into existence. So the instant they come into the game they are killed.

To a lesser extent there is just camping. This involves, as one might imagine, picking a spot and not moving. In many First Person Shooters, there is movement around a map, often in some sort of free for all. People who sit around are often looked down upon as they are seen to be breaking a sort of mos maroum, code of ethics among gamers.

What one calls camping, I call strategic waiting. You see, The donald is so pro peace here that by forcing this occupation to continue he is strategically waiting for the next neo con intervention so that he can stop it by virtue of be there firstest with the mostest doctrine of warfare. So yet again, the super genius in chief is really just owning the libs like usually.

Btw, does it bother you like it bothers me that your moderator titles go in the blue green pattern but then you bars go in the opposite?

[shaberon]

Anyone remember the E-11?

The Taliban (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/28/617275/US-plane-crash-Afghanistan-) do, and they are keeping the U. S. off the wreckage, along with a rumor (Veterans Today) that the mastermind of the Soleimani assassination was on board. It undoubtedly was a high value vehicle similar to the Russian plane that Syria admittedly shot. It was hypothesized that France really did it, but nothing more ever came from that.

Farsnews is now blacklisted.

Apparently five planes have gone boom in Afghanistan this month. The U. S. quit sending weapons into Iraq, i. e., its own rearmaments.

No, there is not much sympathy for African carnage, and it is probably essentially the French theater. I tend to think of that as linked in to the fact that out of the ten or so largest holders of U. S. Treasuries, you will find places like tiny Luxembourg in a phenomenally high position. Also the continued presence of the Bank of International Settlements in Basel. Yesterday's blood diamonds are today's coltan and uranium.

I doubt the U. S. would withdraw, but, they can be forced out. Netanyahu is going to court, which may lead to some change in what Israel is doing.

The possibilities of who could fire Katyushas for what reason are vast, but, there is always a strong chance it is in the hands of some nationalist who wants the occupier removed, in other words, plain rebellion. In my estimation, there is a similar ratio in any kind of violence, like the shootings and so forth we have here in America, yes some of those are probably plots possibly run by someone with a badge, but a lot of them are really still just some angry lone wolf. Actually we have a lot of stories like that on here that vanish, I can't remember the names. Like the guy that drove across the country and something happened and after being arrested he stated that he was in an F. B. I. plot and chickened out. We rarely go back with the evidence and eventual outcomes of these stories.

The Taliban claim they have shot this thing, to which, the rebuttal is, "mechanical error", despite the fact that no one bailed. The crash site is in Taliban stronghold. Now if they did and they randomly got high-value personnel, that might be one thing, but if they knew, then there is a pretty serious leak. No way to verify the shooting or the possible target right now. The fuselage seems relatively intact like it was trying to land.

[Iyakum]

Well, if the mastermind of the Soleymani attack was on board and some CIA agents, ... it may well be that the United States wanted to get rid of them. But it may also be that they only wanted to get rid of the mastermind and that the agents were part of the collateral damage. Sorry, but that happens more and more often.

[shaberon]

Would the U. S. terminate some of its own assets and make it look like an accident? Yes, that is possible. This is after a year of having dropped a record number (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/29/617412/US-Record-Number-Bombs-Afghanistan-2019) of bombs there, in a situation described as constantly deteriorating.

They say they have retrieved the bodies, which may have been a gift, nothing says they have taken over the crash site, but accessed by helicopter. Moon of Alabama suspects Taliban may be receiving upgraded anti-air from someone, which fuels speculation that this could have been an Iranian assassination on an American commander, which they specifically threatened only a few days ago. This is in close timing with a massive wipeout of the Saudis around Sanaa and another burst against Aramco (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-launches-new-attack-on-saudi-aramco-facilities/) and a few Saudi airports.

The Iranian side basically says "there will be surprises" which include "retaliation on their level" which also recently have become an open pact with the Houthis.

Or, it could just have been a complete malfunction of one of the rarest planes, there are or were only four of those with the same gear. It was able to make a distress call. It seems to me if the Taliban had really shot it, they would have shown off some shrapnel holes or something like that. It is a bit weird after this month's loss of four craft which were all helicopters, which is much more likely they have the means to hit.

Currently, a majority (https://www.rt.com/news/479505-democracy-faith-level-drop/) of people have gotten tired of democracy, especially in those places where it has been applied for the past fifty years or so.

[Iyakum]

Yes, of course the puppeteers do not shy away from murdering their own people. I think there are some examples.
Let's get to the bodies that were supposed to be a gift. Only who can say who they were before they died? If one of them was the mastermind responsible for the murder of Soleymani ...

Then it could mean that those who shot the helicopter are better informed than the US suspects. Or they were informed that the mastermind is on board so that the revenge of (no idea who) hits him. This could also be evidence that someone is deliberately forwarding explosive information to whoever.

But we come to the last unanswered question or guess.
Was the mastermind really on board the helicopter? If so, what had he lost in Afghanistan? This allows two possible assumptions. The first would be. What did the mastermind want in Afghanistan, was there planning something against the Taliban or Iran? The next: Is it only pinpricks from the USA that are thirsting for a possible candidate by the Democrats?

Shaberon. Yes that's right. Why exactly one of the four rarest airplanes that are all equipped the same way? Why always equipment that has a high value of the US Army or Air Force?

I mean in the 9/11 attack, the WTC Tower and the Pentagon were chosen as targets. I would like to mention that the attack on the Pentagon was never cleared up. No wreckage from the alleged plane, no or minimal damage to the Pentagon area. Everything has been classified as Top Secret and the outside world has never really learned what exactly attacked the Pentagon.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon#/media/Datei:US_Navy_010914-F-8006R-001_aerial_view_of_Pentagon_destruction.jpg

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon#/media/Datei:Pentagon_video_security4.jpg

Only these two photos show nothing, nothing at all. It was an internal job and the commander George W. Bush, carried out by the CIA. But that is in the past, although it could be repeated by Trump or someone elected as the new President of the United States.

So a'la Nixon, make me President of the United States and you will get your war in Vietnam. As mentioned by others, a lot of new weapons are unused in the US Army camps, new US Air Force jets and much more. The same applies to the UK and Russia. Only who will be the suffering country? The Middle East again? Or an African country. But I don't think so, because Iran has too much oil and new oil sources are being found. So let's see what happens. I am sure that Shaberon will keep us all informed. Thanks Shaberon.

[shaberon]

Today, in the same place, are reports of an Afghan civilian liner (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-ariana-afghan-airlines-aircraft-crashes-in-eastern-afghanistan/) crash, which, the Taliban (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/taliban-claims-they-downed-a-military-chopper-in-paktika/) say was a military chopper they shot.

The major loss of the E-11 is a modified business jet which usually goes too high for MANPADs, so it could only be hit by something like a Buk or S-200 or better, and it seems a little too intact for that. It is actually high altitude, "way above" 40,000 feet. All four of these planes are for use in Afghanistan in order to comlink all the targeting equipment, due to the terrain, no other system works.

Veterans Today and Moon of Alabama have a way of pushing stuff like the suggestion the French really shot the Russian spy plane. And so here, they are the ones saying that Russian personnel had knowledge about the passenger. So far, the Pentagon (https://english.almanar.com.lb/929634) admits the loss of no less than a Lieutenant Colonel as well as a Captain. Why they have to identify a crew that they provided, is not very transparent. Although they only mention acquiring two bodies. Perhaps only two could be picked up in one piece. If the U. S. tries to say there were only two on board, it would not make sense, because it has multiple departments to transmit friendly and intercept hostile communications.

A Dutch court, or the Hague, just dropped a war crimes case against Netanyahu's upcoming election opponent from the Blue and White party. Switcheroo!


Seems rather intact for a missile hit:

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[Iyakum]

Ok, now the current situation in Europe, the EU has lost one of the largest and most powerful partners through the UK Brexit. Both financially and militarily. This opens up avenues, options that were not easy before the Brexit. That is my personal opinion, it does not have to be right ... but it could happen.

40,000 feet is more than 12,000 meters high. A height in which passenger planes fly. So to hit an E-11 from the ground would be practically impossible. The E-11 reaches a speed of 800 km / h, if not more. I cannot imagine that the Taliban are so well equipped to successfully launch such a kill. As "Shaberon" already wrote, a Buk or S-200 or better would be necessary for such a shot. Which in turn means that something or someone else was involved.

With the height and a hit of such accuracy, .. then the impact with the earth. No, certainly not, the plane is too well preserved for that. an S-200 works with a semi-active radar homing radar guidance system, possibly the most common type for air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles with a long range up to 160 km ... well who knows what really happened.

[shaberon]

Those treated for injuries from Ain al Assad have increased to 64 (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/31/617513/Pentagon-Iran-strike-casualty-64), although 39 are back to duty.

Some type of sabotage may have affected the E-11. Again, it would be strange to just fall out of the sky. Maybe they should go back to the B-17, which could get home with one wing. It looks like the pilot tried to belly land the thing in flat snow, and maybe even did a decent job at it, aside from a fuel explosion.

Due to the type of plane it was, if someone did launch a big surface-to-air-missile, it should have been detected, from which you would expect a retaliation destroying the launchers. Half of what the Taliban says is definitely worthless, some is not.

Nothing more about the second crash; it would be rather odd for a civilian liner to go down in the same neighborhood just like that, and a military chopper that the Taliban possibly could hit, makes a bit more sense, to me at least.

We have not heard any more about who set the Jeddah train station on fire, or hit the Iranian oil tanker with missiles. Ansarallah (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-captured-800-square-km-of-territory-in-northern-yemen/) claims to have taken 800 sq km of territory around Sanaa, while killing no less than 3500 opponents. So far, it seems to me, they are more reliable than the Taliban, maybe not one hundred per cent, but a little closer.

Apparently there was majority resistance in the military against Trump's assassination order, which was decided by a "very small group of seniors". Now the Congress is working against him on it. It really does seem to be international and domestic lunacy, even in banal terms like "political career". I am pretty sure this "small group" would be of "religious extremists" who apparently favor any kind of conflict with Iran, Syria, and Israel. It's not even a geo-political manipulation where they might be happy to give you 20% of your revenue, it's just about destruction.

[Iyakum]

Well, unfortunately it really is. The number of injured US soldiers increases every day. At the beginning it was 0, then it became 11, now 64 etc. etc. But now it continues up the spiral of violence. PressTV's report is about brain and head injuries caused by missile attacks ...? How is that possible if they were normal rockets? But don't we all know that already? Isn't it the same method that George W. Bush used or used as a pretext for the III Gulf War? Back then there was talk of chemical weapons, poison gas etc. etc. Well, what is the truth now? Is Iran now accused of launching rockets with possibly poison on the US facility?

"Traumatic brain injuries" <---?
The Pentagon has yet again raised the figure of soldiers wounded in Iran's retaliatory missile attack in Iraq earlier this month to 64, saying they have suffered “traumatic brain injuries”.
What does that mean? Repetition of the III Gulf War? Or what exactly is it supposed to mean? That Iran has poison or chemical weapons? Is that what Trump or the Pentagon wants to sell to the world? The first plan didn't work, the murder of Soleymani. So is Plan B now in effect? Then the UK leaves the EU and everything repeats itself. Even the impeachment proceedings against Trump, where witnesses were not summoned or admitted.

In the end the question to Trump. What are you planning now?


"An important day for the Polish Air Force": Poland's President Duda has signed a billion dollar deal with the United States. 32 fighter jets are to be delivered to Warsaw.

Yes, a very important day for Poland. Poland was involved in the III Gulf War, active as far as I can remember.

[Chester]

related - (a "maybe")

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/us-strike-aqap-leader-yemen/index.html

Washington (CNN)The United States conducted a strike recently targeting Qassim al-Rimi, the leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the terror group's franchise based in Yemen that has repeatedly expressed interest in conducting attacks targeting the United States, a US official told CNN on Friday.

The New York Times reported that three current or former American officials expressed confidence that Rimi had been killed in a January airstrike in Yemen.

Asked about the report, the Pentagon would not elaborate on the situation.

"While we are aware of the reports alleging the death of AQAP leader Qassim al-Rimi, the Department of Defense has nothing to offer on this matter," a US Defense Official told CNN.

The US government through its Rewards for Justice program had offered up to a $10 million reward for information on him.
Officials continue to assess whether Rimi was killed in the strike through a variety of methods including monitoring social media and messaging apps regarding chatter about his possible death.

The CIA declined to comment on the report.

[Gracy]

In the end the question to Trump. What are you planning now?

My guess would be the usual (which comes with few exceptions), and that is whatever his neocon handlers tell him needs doing.

Hopefully Tucker still has him on speed dial....

[shaberon]

PressTV's report is about brain and head injuries caused by missile attacks ...? How is that possible if they were normal rockets?

Concussive shock is pretty serious. One of the Danish soldiers in the Saddam-era bunker said the metal doors bulged in noticeably.

The Saker (https://thesaker.is/analysis-of-the-iranian-missile-strikes-on-ayn-al-asad-airbase/) has a detailed analysis of the aftermath, but a better thing is really in the comments. There were a "handful of unconfirmed Katyusha hits" near another U. S. Iraqi air base today, and, well, that exact subject is in the comment, along with some pretty good insight about the specific types of damage that happened from the ballistics. They also say no less than the Jerusalem Post ran the story that the CIA mastermind really was killed. Part of the important statement is since you will never get an "on the level" story about the CIA's failures, and there is no single source who can really expose it, you have to learn to "see through it", or try.

Farnews was kicked offline by the Treasury Department, but seems to be coming up here (https://en.farsnews.ir/). I thought it was a bit better than PressTV; perhaps they noticed the same. Today, they quote the NY Times (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981106000231) of a Nuremburg prosecutor warning us how dangerously illegal the assassination was, and the founder of the Congressional Brain Injury (https://en.farsnews.ir/player.aspx?nn=13981112000655) (Committee?) about how the "headaches" remark is a mockery.

Europe is railing against Trump's tactics, and some others are not well pleased about Jerusalem, the new capital. Yes, they are pretty interested in Poland, along with Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, as if they were the District of Columbia.

Al Qaeda is not really involved in the main struggle in Yemen, but they do have a smallish territory there. That doesn't exactly give us the right to conduct extra-judicial killings. Maybe we should just call the White House the Office of the Assassin.

[shaberon]

At sea, one of the first consequences was the turnaround of a Russian warship that just left the Mediterranean.

Since then, Turkey sends two warships to Tripoli, while Syria finds so many mercenaries have been transported to Libya, their battle is easier. Still costly, in fact, but easier.

Japan (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/japanese-warship-heads-to-middle-east-report/) has sent a destroyer towards the Gulf, which, if it used force over there, would violate Japan's constitution. It is just to protect Japanese vessels, and what from, is not clear.

France is sending over 500 (https://www.rt.com/news/479902-france-troops-africa-sahel-mali/) troops to the Sahel, making the total more than 5,000, which is pretty substantial for a non-American force projection. I can't think of anyone else who's doing that. They also seem to be against Turkey about Libya.

Ansarallah's gift to the Saudi coalition:

https://cdn.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/beq87i9p1wg-1080x608.jpg.webp

[shaberon]

Turkey has also made it easier for themselves to pour in reinforcements, and they have managed to have an armed conflict (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981114000288) with Syria.

Syria is trying to make it to Saraqib, and if they can get control of that last leg of highway from the green, that is complete control of Aleppo to Damascus which is their main artery that they have not had for years:

https://cdn.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/3feb_Idlib-2--768x631.jpg.webp




It is working but there are losses, even Russians and Iranian Quds, in fact a close companion (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/03/c_138753423.htm) of Soleimani was killed at Aleppo. That is realistic because Iran does not really have thousands of forces there as Israel claims, but, there are some officers like that, which never has been a secret.

There probably won't ever be any updates to the E-11 since they claim to have destroyed the wreckage, however even Time (https://time.com/5775758/military-crash-cia-disinformation/) has picked up on the fact that officials were so slow as to basically have no "response" to the "disinformation" about CIA personnel, and still they don't even deny it, all they do is talk about military losses.

[shaberon]

There are those less hesitant to mention the CIA, Iran (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981115000413) is about to execute one. Interestingly, right before the assassination, Netherlands and Denmark (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981115000178) both arrested Saudi-based anti-Iranian spies.

Syria is proceeding in Idlib despite Turkish reinforcements, and, it is surmised Russia (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-may-have-shot-down-us-drones-off-the-syrian-coast-media/) may have shot some American drones. They shoot jihadi drones all the time that come in from the desert; this pair came from the Mediterranean, at the same time an American P-8 was making its closest pass ever. If so, it is considered an attempt to get them to turn on their S-400 systems.

[shaberon]

On Iraqi television, a local resistance leader (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981117000323) says Soleimani provided him with documents concerning Iraqi government leadership working for the CIA with snipers and so forth. Their business is mainly violence, including random Katyusha shots.

Syria has gained Saraqib (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-vows-to-respond-with-force-after-syrian-army-captures-saraqib/), which, apparently Turkey considers a form of aggression. Israel (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/suspected-israeli-airstrikes-wound-8-syrian-soldiers-in-damascus-videos/) definitely does not like it and attacked Damascus at the same time.

[shaberon]

Iraq is arguing that the December 27 (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-intel-believes-isis-carried-out-attack-used-by-us-as-pretext-to-assassinate-qassem-soleimani/) attack on U. S. forces--the pretext for assassinating Soleimani--was done by ISIS at American discretion. The standard view that is emerging is that ISIS mainly operates as oil bandits at American discretion. This is not too surprising since it all started when an Iraqi army basically stepped out of their way and let them loot the banks.

Israel's attack on Damascus injured some soldiers, but mainly obliterated a rental car lot (https://www.rt.com/news/480316-israeli-airstrike-damascus-aftermath/) which, presumably, was near the airport, since Russia is making noise about the missiles being fired when a civilian Airbus wanted to land and was diverted to the Russian base. They are like a monkey, they do this pretty much every time some takfiri gang gets wiped. Then they try to tuck their own planes back behind some civilian flight.

As to whether Russia may have shot American drones, the MQ4 Triton drone (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981118000493) that Iran took down, extracted the programming from, and can now switch off from thousands of kilometers, was likewise flying in the swath of a P-8.

Syria has all of the highway linking Aleppo to Latakkia, there is only a weak pocket of resistance left in the whole area, which is crumbling fast. They also appear to be surrounding Turkish posts.

[stal]

a genuine bad guy got got. whats the problem? are you the guys who complain about epstein getting got? did you whine about rockerfeller getting got? i don't get it...

[shaberon]

whats the problem?

Here, it is being under a foreign occupier called the federal government, which in turn steals from us, and lies about its activities. Since these activities are the largest and most destructive in the modern world, I'll call it a serious problem. Much like a former drone operator (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981120000558) says. The internal affairs of Iran, Syria, or anywhere else, are not our business.

In that brief interview, you find a guy with a twinge of conscience being hazed by people who adore violence. I suppose the underlying root problem is that the majority of the human race are violent thieves. This has aspects that are difficult to see, but, Zionism should be pretty obvious.

[shaberon]

In today's math, 64 is 109 (https://www.rt.com/usa/480537-us-troops-brain-damage-iran/) when counting Trump headaches. It makes more than thirty who have not returned to duty.

Iraq says the U. S. has started withdrawing (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981121000389) from fifteen minor bases, and trying to hang on to Ain al Assad and Erbil. They likely are mostly moving to northeastern Syria, as there is not a whole lot Syria can actually do about it until Idlib is finished; convoys and new bases are already showing up there.

They still haven't come up with anything that shows Iraqi Hezbollah did the Dec. 27 attack, which, from the circumstances of positions, seems unlikely.

It appears to me that this behavior is believed by no one, no longer agreed to by most of Europe, and capable of failure.

[shaberon]

Iraq has launched new attacks against ISIS in the Syria border region--refusing any assistance from Americans. The U. S. has indeed sent massive construction equipment (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981123000932) from Ain Al Assad in Iraq over to Syria. In Qamishli, Syria, they are now being stopped by villagers (https://southfront.org/videos-show-firefight-between-locals-and-u-s-troops-at-khirbat-amu/) who opened fire (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/moment-residents-of-syrian-town-open-fire-on-us-patrol-video/) on them with light weapons and a few molotov cocktails. A couple APCs had to be towed away. This was not even a military action, it is National Defense Force and locals giving their opinion on U. S. driving wherever it wants. Russia stabilized the conflict.

Meanwhile, India and Iran (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/02/11/618405/Iran-India-trade-rial-rupee-US-sanctions-Chabahar) are finding their trade flow starting to work better without use of the dollar.

[stal]

hint; high level djinn worshippers and their subservient 'terrorist' cells are being tracked down and neutralised. some of them were on 'our' side.

[edina]

hint; high level djinn worshippers and their subservient 'terrorist' cells are being tracked down and neutralised. some of them were on 'our' side.

This is curious.

The djinn are a big deal in that part of the world.

It's hard for westerners to wrap their mind around the topic.

I came across a mention of what was referred to as a "6000" year old enemy, and natural "star gates" in the mix.

I think others have referred to this enemy as "Y"? Maybe there's a relationship, maybe not?

People seem unaware of Soliemani's role in Benghazi?

And unaware of Khamieni's vast personal wealth, close to 95 Billion dollars?

I think the photo of John McCain with some of the terror players is taken in front of the embassy in Tehran.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42446&d=1581346578&thumb=1

To me, it looks like bad players in the IC paid bad players in MENA, to take actions for the purpose of "endless wars".

Which serve the needs of beings or entities that most would prefer to pretend don't exist.

And Soliemani was a hinge in all of the above.

But, I haven't made up my mind about all of this yet.

Still observing...

Any insights are appreciated.

Also, I feel shaberon would also have more insights on this topic, too?

[shaberon]

All I can really say from personal knowledge of Islam is that yes, djinn or mimoun are part of their arsenal, and it has been many years since they have been conjuring and sending hordes of djinn at the U. S. Starting around 2006.

Soleimani was a U. S. agent in at least three scenarios; again like Saddam Hussein, or Osama bin Laden. If one was to historically review British manipulation of Shi'a Islam, it is with the line of Agha Khan, and possibly Baha'i and Ahmaddiya.

Is the McCain photo really Tehran? It looks similar to when he was in Syria illegally, hanging out with Al'Qaeda. I think those are Arabs.

There perhaps is an attempt to wash away Babylon, Assyria, Sabians, Mandeans, and the Yezidi. If we force everyone to pick between Torah, Bible, and Koran, we can get a lot of fights that way.

[edina]

All I can really say from personal knowledge of Islam is that yes, djinn or mimoun are part of their arsenal, and it has been many years since they have been conjuring and sending hordes of djinn at the U. S. Starting around 2006.

Soleimani was a U. S. agent in at least three scenarios; again like Saddam Hussein, or Osama bin Laden. If one was to historically review British manipulation of Shi'a Islam, it is with the line of Agha Khan, and possibly Baha'i and Ahmaddiya.

Is the McCain photo really Tehran? It looks similar to when he was in Syria illegally, hanging out with Al'Qaeda. I think those are Arabs.

There perhaps is an attempt to wash away Babylon, Assyria, Sabians, Mandeans, and the Yezidi. If we force everyone to pick between Torah, Bible, and Koran, we can get a lot of fights that way.

I think you're right. I had seen a photo once that showed more of the building they are standing in front of, and sometime in the last few days, I saw an old photo of the embassy at Tehran, it looked familiar and I wondered if they were related.

Do you know what the "spider web" on that building is about?

Thanks for the rest of the information in your comment.

I've not heard the word, "mimoun" before? Is it just another name for djinn?

[stal]

i got a warning from one of the mods for my djinn post itt so maybe won't be adding anything else for the moment. thanks for reading.

[edina]

i got a warning from one of the mods for my djinn post itt so maybe won't be adding anything else for the moment. thanks for reading.

hmmmm....

I've experienced djinn myself. Most are surprised when they discover I can see them.
And, one time, for some reason I don't understand, some showed up out of nowhere to protect me from a psychic attack.

The personal experiences are off-topic, but the comment of how it fits into the Soliemani situation isn't.

Thanks again for the bit you did share.

[edina]

All I can really say from personal knowledge of Islam is that yes, djinn or mimoun are part of their arsenal, and it has been many years since they have been conjuring and sending hordes of djinn at the U. S. Starting around 2006.


I was thinking about your comment, shaberon, did this start in 2006, or was it that you became aware of it in 2006?

[shaberon]

[QUOTE=shaberon;1335877]

I was thinking about your comment, shaberon, did this start in 2006, or was it that you became aware of it in 2006?



From what I was told, it was a reply to the same militaristic adventurism that keeps going on, and something happened around then that was a "red line" to at least some sects who started doing it regularly. "Mimoun" sounds like what the guy was saying, and he was trying to mean Mammon or something close to that.

McCain was meeting with Mohammad and Zahran Alloosh in this contested area shortly after that. I have no clue about what the designs in the background are. It looks familiar and I am pretty sure it was somewhere around Aleppo or Idlib.

Syria has regained the entire Damascus-Aleppo after nine years destroying several Turkish-supplied vehicles in the process, and for the second time in two days, the U. S. was told to quit driving around (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-protesters-come-face-to-face-with-us-military-in-northeastern-syria-video/), this time by the Syrian Army:

US commander tells the Syrian officer "we are here to bring peace just like the Russians" , Syrian officer replied " Wherever US goes it brings death& destruction, u are not welcomed here"

At this point there is artillery shelling and Russian bombing basically right at Erdogan's border so he had probably better be careful.

As if on cue, there was another missile shower on Damascus from Golan, which Netanyahu suggests was probably done by Belgium (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/maybe-it-was-the-belgian-air-force-netanyahu-on-last-nights-airstrikes-in-syria/). On Tuesday, Israeli Defense Minister Naftali Bennett told Iran that it had “nothing to look for in Syria,” and said that Israel has been “fighting the arms of the Iranian octopus in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza” for “generations.”

[Iyakum]

Thx. shaberon for this post
I agree with you Soleymani has worked for US intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA. He became too annoying and no longer portable then it was over for him.

But what is very annoying is Turkey's presence in Syria. Where they have lost absolutely nothing. No more than Iran in Syria, Lebanon and Gaza. But that was already planned by the mullahs right after the revolution.

However, an enormous amount of energy is required to send out invisible forces that may have a negative effect. Even more so if they are not individual but a small army. But that is not proven, however it works, they don't seem to be able to control it. It could get out of hand and cause some chaos. They'd better stay away from it.

[shaberon]

Turkey and Syria are in armed conflict by now. I suppose Gulen is still being protected in Pennsylvania or something like that. He was a pretty big deal. An arm of the Maurice Strong type movements I believe. I don't know what kind of political future Erdogan has, attacking Aleppo and telling Syria they will not enter Idlib. U. S. and Israel are happy for him to be there. But, he doesn't seem to be doing it "for them". I guess he can always finger the "Kurdish situation".

The contact lines are set, so he will lose something.

It is pretty amazing how, once breached, most of the proxy armies fall apart within days. Nothing much left to keep Syria away from the Turks. The mercenaries are very good at harassing unarmed civilians but they are no Peshmerga.

The Green Zone (https://www.rt.com/news/480947-embassy-baghdad-explosions-attack/) swallowed a few more rockets, this time, not at the embassy, but evidently at a barracks at 3 a. m., so that was a sheer attempt for fatalities.

Saudi Arabia admits that Ansarallah now has a surface-to-air missile that took out one of their Tornado (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-confirms-fighter-jets-downing-over-northern-yemen/) jets. That is also a game changer.

[Iyakum]

It was obvious that Turkey wanted to invade Syria and did so. Erdogan planned to invade Syria before his election. Because the Kurds have been causing problems since the revolution in Iran, and before. But it is their land, whose territory it belongs to them. It can be compared to Palestine and Israel only that Kurdistan is a little bigger.

An example from the time I traveled to Iran. That was around 1972/73, when the revolution began, Kurdistan had already tried to declare itself as unsuccessful what had failed. But even during the time of the monarchy there were conflicts with the Kurds in Iran as well as in Turkey and Iraq. I visited Kurdistan, across Kurdistan. At that time, other laws were in effect in Kurdistan in Iran. A day was divided by three, early in the morning it was basic and committee, then the Revolutionary Guard also known as Sepah Pasdaran the club to which Soleymani belonged. In the evening, however, the state authorities did not really venture onto the streets. The Kurds ruled and that armed, even during the day Kurds were armed. But at night they raided the barracks of the state institutions and many basic, committee and pasdaran were murdered in their sleep.

I don't know how it is today, but as you have already described correctly @shaberon the Kurds still rule, since you mention the Peshmerga I assume that the Kurds are well equipped in Iran. But due to the war in Syria, Erdogan was finally able to take a blow that was not possible before. Like Iran, who carried out a very bloody blow with the help of Putin. I think that was even at the beginning of the war in Syria. Putin's navy was in the Caspian Sea, which partly also belongs to Iran. I don't know exactly what the attack against the Kurds took place in Iran, but as far as I remember it was two racts that hit Kurdish territory.

Erdogan got a lot of money to stop the Syrian refugees at the border. This money naturally disappeared after the attack in the Turkish military. So Erdogan had the justification to invade Syria. But it looks like Erdogan has overdone himself. He still hangs in Libya and doesn't get anywhere there. The EU cut his funding by 75%. Adios Erdogan you little power hungry usurper. Erdogan will have to withdraw from both countries sooner or later, he cannot maintain his military presence. Not even with Putin's "alleged" promise of support. Ha, ha, ha, Erdogan really thinks he's smart enough to take on Putin ...

Now Erdogan not only has to downshift one gear but two gears at the same time and with his finger, he can do it himself ...

[Iyakum]

In this thread I wrote something about Djinns.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108654-I-don-t-know-it...&p=1336378#post1336378

[shaberon]

Kurdistan has never had a "country" as far as I know, although they can be found indigenous to the Zagros mountains since 12,000 years ago; the earliest forms of domesticated cereal are attributed to them.

At this point, they mainly are now sided with Syria against Turkey, at least the YPG is. The so-called Free Syrian Army that the U. S. put millions into is, if anything, in Libya. Although they were extreme right-wing child-conscripting autocrats, I have not heard of them causing problems for months. Some of them probably have an enclave near Al Tanf. But the majority of their population seems to be fine with being part of Syria, if they can keep their language and customs. Hafeez Assad had probably not been too lenient towards them. Bashar seems to have accepted the legitimate complaints of Syrians, while rejecting the false complaints of paid-for gangs. From what I can tell, he has been pretty open to change if it is fair, and has acquiesced to zero demands.

The kicker of course is that most Islamic radicals are terrified of the women's YPG since it will cause them to go to hell.

Of around seventy tanks that Turkey supplied to the gangs, about twenty have been destroyed in a few days.

Erdogan can certainly stonewall against the "flood of refugees", which makes many more of them drift into Europe. And when we look at the people that are being treated lightly by the courts, or the violence in England by guys who just got out of jail on related charges, most of that is not the "displaced Syrian community". He probably can really open the faucet if he so chooses. So he carries influence due to that. Some blackmail remains effective, while there are certain "economic sanctions" that simply force the target to find a better work-around.

If there was a way for any other country to be on Turkey's side, it could become a major problem, but it looks like he will be limited to working on his own, in a semi-threatening crossroads of two continents way.

[Iyakum]

No, the Kurds never had their own country, only the area in which they were staying. But it is strategically important, for Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. The Zagros Mountains are rich in mineral resources and the Islamic Republic knows that. Petroleum, natural gas and others.

After another rocket attack in Baghdad in the green zone. So far, no group has committed to this. But that enables Trump to send US troops to Baghdad again.
To protect its diplomats and soldiers in Iraq, the United States announced that it would send 3,000 to 3,500 additional soldiers to the region.

Wait to see how the election continues in the United States. It looks like Trump will remain US President for the next four years.

[shaberon]

Here is a new Soleimani statue in Lebanon by the Israeli border:


https://media.farsnews.ir/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1398/11/28/13981128145802333_PhotoL.jpg




Meanwhile, the majority of Afghan servicemen (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52999.htm) say the Taliban is not really even their enemy, and there would be far less conflict if not driven by the U. S. In their view, they are mainly used as cannon fodder.

Likewise, Denmark plans on returning its personnel to the attacked air base in Iraq in order to fight ISIS.

Syria is at the Turk-occupied Taftanaz air base in Idlib, meaning, at the edge of its artillery range. According to The Guardian, Assad's murderous assault on his own people is about to erupt. In fact, they feel a need to use a phrase of this nature six or eight times in order to give basically the same information that can be provided without it.

Nobody has said they fired at the Green Zone, although it appears the National Guard ate a reprisal again anyway.

[shaberon]

Here is current opinion on the Green Zone diplomatic mission from Iraqi Parliament (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981130000339):


"The US embassy in Baghdad has turned into a center for Israel's Mossad and ISIL terrorists," Hassan Salem was quoted as saying by the Arabic-language al-Soumeriyeh news website.

"The US embassy's violation of laws and forgetting its responsibilities based on the international laws mean that the center could not be called an embassy and therefore, its closure is legally necessary," Salem said.

Meanwhile, the National or Popular Defense unit that was attacked in the first reprisal says (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981130000933):

"Many people are not aware that now the Americans are fully surrounded in Iraq because they cannot traffic in Baghdad streets and they cannot go from one base to another but by helicopters,"

Americans have called for mediation of different figures and groups to prolong their presence in Iraq, but the resistance forces have rejected the demand.

"The US merely understands the language of force,"

The additional 3,000 are, as far as I know, in Kuwait. In order to project ground force, it would take ten times as many.

Among whatever else Turkey is doing, they have issued 700 fresh Gulen-related arrest warrants (https://english.almanar.com.lb/944319), which is only a drop in the bucket compared to over 200,000 who have already been disciplined. Like Soleimani, this attempted coup is not likely to disperse from the minds of its witnesses any time soon.

Iran is having Parliamentary elections in a couple days, with the two main agenda (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/02/19/619012/Iran-elections-parliamentary-Iran-deal-Qassem-Soleimani) being:

the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal in May 2018, which, coupled with Washington’s so-called maximum pressure campaign, then hit the Iranian economy hard, and the assassination in January this year of Iranian Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani by the US

One might think the tons of opium or weapons that keep flooding in would be of great national concern, but, evidently, it pales in comparison.

Yemen (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/02/18/618978/This-will-be-the-year-of-Yemeni-air-defense-systems-that-will-change-battle-course:-Top-cmdr.) says that the downing of the Tornado was not a one-off, but now, "Violating the Yemeni airspace will no more be a walk in the park”.

[shaberon]

Ick. Moscow is in a position to show Turkish self-propelled howitzer (https://www.rt.com/news/481299-russian-airforce-syria-idlib/) providing fire cover for a large HTS attack on Syria. Since this was highly unlikely to succeed, the likely reason (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/481307-turkey-idlib-russia-terrorists/) was to probe the reaction--which was that the Russian Air Force immediately neutralized the assault, more or less proving that any of these attacks just are not going to happen.

A few Syrian helicopters have been shot down recently, but, the immediate aftermath of militants not being able to hit the planes was that Turkey asked the U. S. for Patriot systems to use against the Russians in Idlib. They took some casualties in the air strikes. Since that request is unlikely to be granted, there is nothing more for Erdogan to do, unless he is asking for an open battle with Russia. A tank (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-russia-destroys-10-turkish-backed-militant-vehicles-in-northern-syria/) and several armored cars wiped out and heavy losses rolled back any advance made with the Turkish artillery.

[shaberon]

The U. S. was told to quit driving around in Hasakah (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-forces-us-military-convoy-to-turn-around-in-al-hasakah/) and the Taliban seem optimistic that the U. S. might go away from their area. At least they are trying to sign such a deal.


Erdogan's luck is such that he is losing lives in Idlib and at Tripoli (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/several-turkish-soldiers-killed-by-libyan-army-near-tripoli/). In both cases it seems like he is the only one on his side.

According to Thierry Meyssan (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53014.htm), the modern U. S. plan is not the old British System of moles and puppet governments like Muslim Brotherhood. It is more the removal of governments and instigation of strife in the red area:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/nato-go-home.JPG



"...to prevent any form of resistance and to allow transnationals to exploit this area without political constraints. It is therefore a colonial project in the Anglo-Saxon sense of the term (not to be confused with a colonization of settlement)."

I doubt it will really work since the majority of African countries now prefer a Chinese deal, for two reasons, the payments aren't as bad, and they don't try to tell you what to do.

[shaberon]

The U. S. is now attempting to negotiate with terrorists (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-slams-us-statement-about-reaching-agreement-with-jihadists-in-idlib/), with HTS or Al Nusra, which is just the same Al Qaeda that supposedly attacked the Trade Center, etc., and still classified as terrorists by their own Treasury Department.

Most of the jihadists in Idlib province are collapsing (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/several-turkish-soldiers-allegedly-killed-in-new-syrian-russian-air-attack-in-idlib/), while the Turkish army appears to be receiving blows from both Syria and Russia. Netanyahu's response has been to announce they attempted to assassinate the leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad near Damascus; most of these missiles were repelled, although a couple of members were killed. Iron Dome was effective against 13 of 21 from the last salvo from Gaza. What happened with the rest of them is as murky as what happened to Aramco from its most recent attack.

[shaberon]

Here is what happens concurrently with liberation of all Aleppo province:

Most likely Syrian airstrike (https://www.rt.com/news/481856-turkish-soldiers-killed-airstrike-idlib/) on Turkey's position killing at least thirty-three soldiers, so, Erdogan called NATO, and also said Europe can have its refugee flood (https://www.rt.com/news/481868-turkey-refugee-europe-idlib/).

Israel (https://www.rt.com/news/481861-israel-helicopters-syria-golan/) responded by attacking Syria or Hezbollah right there in the Golan.

At this point I think you could say there is sustained fire exchange between Syria and Turkey. If any other countries could really come to Turkey's defense, this would be very worrisome, but I do not see how they can get any support and they are just going to have to eat it.

[Iyakum]

Well, now that Erdogan's strategy hasn't worked, he's screaming for help. no, screaming would not be the right expression for it, he cries for help. Putin dropped him, which was clear he would do it. The EU is now the main culprit, cutting 75% of the aid to the refugee crisis. Erdogan has no choice but to see the EU as the main culprit for his megalomania. Hence the threat of calling NATO. The EU can now have its flood of refugees.

Bravo Erdogan, standing ovations for you. Now there is nothing left for him but to withdraw from both countries, Syria and Libya. Before Turkey is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Now that Iran has brought the Afghans into the game and has come to terms with the Taliban, Erdogan's madness for the time has stopped.
Now the threat to the EU no longer works. He signed the deal, got lots of finances, and didn't stick to the deal.

Shaberon I see it like you. Erdogan now has to swallow the bitter pills that he has distributed so nicely. The deal, which was about 6 billion euros, is over.
Israel attacks Hezbollah at the Golan Heights, as has always been the case. So one would be less in Syria.

Which country should rush to help Turkey? Russia, no, certainly not. Iran, definitely not. USA, keep dreaming Erdogan. Otherwise I see nothing there, Erdogan has taken over, now he has to see how he can handle it. I don't care what Erdogan has to answer for now. But opening the EU borders for 72 hours is by no means possible.

The danger that exists is that the Corona Virus has already reached Europe. Iran is affected and is Turkey's direct neighbor. If Erdogan lets the refugees go, the EU opens its borders. So what ?

[shaberon]

Germany's Merkel has received a criminal suit (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981209000082) from several Far Left MPs based on the simple likelihood that Ramstein must have been used for the satellite communication in Soleimani's assassination.

NATO said you're on your own (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/481944-nato-turkey-idlib-syria/) with a reference to the sole use of the main defense pact which is the engine of it:

Article 5 has been invoked only once – in the aftermath of 9/11 – resulting in joint air and maritime patrols, but no direct military confrontation. The wars that NATO has engaged in militarily, whether in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya or Iraq, have all been conducted under Article 4, when NATO made a collective decision to provide assistance in a situation that did not involve a direct military attack on one of its member states.

With that in mind, Turkey’s decision to turn to Article 4 was a serious undertaking. For additional leverage, Ankara linked the NATO talks with a separate decision to open its borders to refugees seeking asylum in Europe...

Erdogan's bitter pills are firstly to be traded to Greece and Bulgaria by hordes of walkers--at least they are trying. And since Turkey is returning fire, they can lash out a pretty serious amount of damage, far worse than the takfiris. Since NATO took the stance to condemn Russia and Syria, they aren't exactly making Turkey stop, they just won't send any troops.

Since modern travel by jets started picking up in the 1950s, the rapid spread of foreign diseases was probably the first and foremost thing that grew with the industry. I suppose it is considered more of a "threat" than refugees.

Oh, and speaking of that Article 5, did anyone notice the leaning tower of Dallas recently? Shows you how easy it is to knock over a skyscraper built on a core: only the outer section collapsed.

[silvanelf]

Erdogan tries to bully everyone else ... He announced that Turkey will send another wave of refugees toward the EU, while he demands that Russia steps aside in Syria. I'm eager to see Putin's next move ... I'm sure Putin won't back down.


Erdoğan says he asked Putin to step aside in Syria

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Feb. 29 that he had asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for Russia to step aside in Syria and leave Turkey to deal with Syrian regime forces alone.

Syrian regime's forces, backed by Russian air power, have waged a major assault to capture the northwest province of Idlib, the last remaining territory held by rebels backed by Turkey.

With diplomacy sponsored by Ankara and Moscow to ease tensions in tatters, Turkey has come closer than ever to confrontation with Russia on the battlefield.

Speaking in Istanbul, Erdoğan said he had told Putin in a phone call to stand aside and let Turkey "to do what is necessary" with the Syrian government alone.

He said Turkey does not intend to leave Syria right now.

-- snip --

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-says-he-asked-putin-to-step-aside-in-syria-152535

This may be a hint:

Russian Warships Head Toward Syria Armed With Cruise Missiles After Strikes Kill Turkey's Troops (https://www.newsweek.com/russian-warships-head-toward-syria-armed-cruise-missiles-after-strikes-kill-turkeys-troops-1489779)

[shaberon]

Yes, part of the snafu is that for the eighteen months of ceasefire from the Astana talks, the results from his end of the bargain were zero. That is the initial Russian view, anyway, that it has been a complete failure to allow Turkey to participate on the ground. It is not that they only reached five of sixteen goals or anything like that; they were a bunch of nothing.

So he asks a country that was invited in by a standing government, to leave, so his unauthorized invasion can target a regime, which is a word generally reserved for an "illegitimate" government.

Greece's response was to tear gas three or four thousand people, or at least some of them, near Erdine (https://www.rt.com/news/482018-greek-police-turkey-border/). The millions of displaced persons are not really due to Turkey, originally, since this whole thing mainly erupted from the CIA shooting both sides of a protest in southern Syria. And so for a few years, Turkey was mainly guilty of not controlling their own border, with a bunch of weapons going one way and oil the other.

At this point, Syria does not have the resources to turn every re-captured acre into a major fortification, so, there will be fluidity and attrition across Idlib while it is still pretty easy for militias to counter-attack.

So far, historically, Israeli missiles have never affected battlefield momentum. The Turkish position definitely does.

[shaberon]

In today's scuffle, Turkey sent drones beyond Idlib that were destroyed. As a response, they sent fighter jets into Idlib, and shot down two Syrian Su-24s (https://www.rt.com/news/482053-syrian-jets-downed-turkey/) whose pilots ejected. Idlib is now a "no-fly" zone, not the American kind, but a Syrian one. The Su-24 is an old, clumsy bomber which is basically junk in a dogfight.

Internally, Turkey's Vatan (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981211001016) party is telling Erdogan to get out of this US-Israeli trap, so, he does not have his own national backing on this:

"After sustaining hundreds of casualties in bombing raids that Ankara blames on Russia, the Turkish army started drone attacks on Syrian army positions in a move that is widely believed to be showing Ankara's deep fright from opening direct fire on Russian troops."


In Yemen, Ansarallah has taken Al Jawf (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-capture-capital-city-of-al-jawf-in-decisive-battle/) and are very close to Marib. This is the first provincial capital the Saudis have lost in years. If they lose Marib, they will have no capitals left in the northwest.

[Chester]

It would be an interesting irony... that the regime in Iran would fall because of their most significant benefactor's response (or lack thereof) to the COVID-19 virus, ie. China.

[Dennis Leahy]

It would be an interesting irony... that the regime in Iran would fall because of their most significant benefactor's response (or lack thereof) to the COVID-19 virus, ie. China.
Not to agree with any theocracy - and remember, a lot of people believe the USA is a Christian theocracy, as do probably even more believe that Israel is a Jewish theocracy - but realize that the entire concept of "regime change" (in Iran, or anywhere), by outside forces, is promoted by those who will benefit from geostrategic control furthering hegemony.

Almost every word we have ever heard about Iran has come from or has been filtered and spun by the Deep State. The USA, Inc. is not interested in actually helping the citizens of any country (including the citizens of the USA), and the answer to "cui bono by regime change" is the Ameri-centric Global Empire, accomplished by the Deep State, and certainly never the citizens of the country being victimized.

I know that wasn't your point, and you only slightly hinted your position of the fall of the regime in Iran by your phrasing (which I may have have picked-up on incorrectly), but it did bring to mind the often used excuse for the Deep State dirty work of, "well, he was a bad guy and had to go", which is a psy-op in itself. "Bad guy" to the American Empire is anyone who stands in their way, in any way, to achieve total domination of the world and all its resources i.e., the New World Order.

To babble on a bit...
Rome was once the World Order (as much of it as they could), Spain was for a while the World Order, England was for a long period the World Order, and now it's the United States that is the World Order. I think people are confused and waiting for some other shoe to drop (like a one-world currency) before they could recognize that a World Order has already been achieved by the USA, Inc. But, it has. It's here right now. They don't have to actually achieve 100% total domination of the planet to "win", they already did win. Insatiable greed and hunger for power makes them keep on going, but the New World Order is here and it is "American"/Ameri-centric.

Soliemani was assassinated by the New World Order military.

[shaberon]

Not to agree with any theocracy - and remember, a lot of people believe the USA is a Christian theocracy, as do probably even more believe that Israel is a Jewish theocracy - but realize that the entire concept of "regime change" (in Iran, or anywhere), by outside forces, is promoted by those who will benefit from geostrategic control furthering hegemony.

Almost every word we have ever heard about Iran has come from or has been filtered and spun by the Deep State.

That is why I have found it advantageous to switch over to their (Iranian or other) own reporting, being mindful of the "Al Jazeeras" or Saudi propaganda. From not paying any more attention to western news generally, I have to say it feels cleaner, more straightforward, not driven by anxiety and disease.

In theocratic terms, I am looking at all this from the view of Byzantine and Druze. From what I can tell, it has never not been the resistance against the "Order" system of western empires, which is more or less as described, and globally dominant, responsible for Soviets and other leeches.

Russia has just placed personnel in Saraqib (https://www.rt.com/news/482134-russia-military-police-saraqeb/), so, in military terms, all they have to do is enter each such pocket after most of the work of the assault is done by Syria. The presence of Russian troops is more of a guarantor of safety than massive fortifications which Syria would be hard pressed to establish.

Putin (https://www.rt.com/russia/482078-putin-trump-military-spending/) claims that the U. S. President is not really in charge, perhaps a bit like Queen Victoria, who did not know or could not control what her people were doing in India:

“Donald told me that they have adopted an insane [military] budget for the next year, $738 billion.”

The US commander-in-chief, who likes to talk up his country's military hardware during overseas trips while bragging about the armed forces, tends to be more reserved in private, according to Putin. “He told me that the costs were too high, but he had to do it,” he said, describing his counterpart as “an advocate of disarmament, as he says.”

[silvanelf]

Russia has just placed personnel in Saraqib (https://www.rt.com/news/482134-russia-military-police-saraqeb/), so, in military terms, all they have to do is enter each such pocket after most of the work of the assault is done by Syria. The presence of Russian troops is more of a guarantor of safety than massive fortifications which Syria would be hard pressed to establish.


That was an excellent move!

[Iyakum]

I have a question to all of you, do any of you know if Iran has nuclear warheads or not?

Sorry I forget the source link, but that is written in German, I guess that is not a problem four you.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ausland-iran-hat-die-atombombe_aid_140210.html

I think all the contracts with Iran, the EU and the USA were just a farce. Since Trump probably knew that Iran had already bought nuclear weapons or warheads from the remaining stock of the former Soviet Union.

Now there are two options. Trump either knew about it or was informed about it. This was reason enough for Trump to specifically kill Soleymani and to maintain the sanctions against Iran. Therefore, there will be no escalation with Iran, even if Trump specifically releases further Islamist generals or the like to kill after his re-election.

The IAEA knows that Trump knows. So the US deep state has everything under control. That would provide Trump with enough evidence to wage war against Iran in the event of a crisis. But the time has not yet come, and Iran will still have to keep its feet still. It occurred to me today that I read an article in the 90s that Iran bought nuclear / nuclear weapons. Which was then kept silent and secret. Deep State is working properly, so nothing would stand in the way of Trump's re-election.

Everyone can now draw their own conclusions. Why Trump won't pull US troops out of Iraq. But it may also be that nothing happens and Trum once again picks up the red phone and exchanges views with the leaders of the Islamic Republic.

I don't know what's going to happen, just what can we do?

[silvanelf]

Turkish democracy at its best ...

Fortunately (for all the others) there are no MMA fighters among the members of Turkey’s Parliament.

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[Chester]

Iran Caught Hiding Nuclear Work, Sparking Call for Full Sanctions ‘Snapback’ (https://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-caught-hiding-nuclear-work-sparking-call-for-full-sanctions-snapback/)

SFRC chair says Trump must 'trigger a full snapback of sanctions'

Adam Kredo - March 4, 2020 3:05 PM

Iran's stockpiling of highly enriched uranium is raising new questions about the scope of its undisclosed nuclear work and the efficacy of soon-to-be-lifted restrictions on its missile program, which develops the primary vehicle to carry a nuclear payload, U.S. officials told the Washington Free Beacon.

Iran has been blocking inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) from accessing key sites that the watchdog group has cited for having traces of undisclosed nuclear materials, fueling speculation that Tehran is again engaged in the secret construction of nuclear weapons-grade material.

Recently installed IAEA chief Rafael Grossi took the unprecedented step this week of going public about Iran's intransigence, telling Reuters on Tuesday the Islamic Republic is not living up to multiple commitments under the landmark nuclear accord.

"We have insisted and despite all our efforts we have not been able to get that [access], so the situation requires on my part such a step because what this means is that Iran is curtailing the ability of the agency to do its work," Grossi said.

While the Trump administration removed the United States from the Iran nuclear deal in May 2018, administration officials maintain they can still petition the United Nations Security Council for a "snapback" of all international sanctions lifted under the accord, which still counts several European countries as members.

The administration's long-awaited decision on snapback has emerged as a flashpoint ahead of the lifting of a U.N. embargo on Iran's missile program in October. If the U.N. ban is lifted on Iran's missile program, which includes medium and long-range ballistic missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload, Iran will be free to purchase a range of offensive weapons that will further embolden its power grab across the Middle East, U.S. officials warn.

Already, Russia has signaled that it will stand in the way of Trump administration efforts to maintain the arms embargo, setting the stage for a showdown at the U.N. over the embargo and sanctions snapback.

State Department officials told the Free Beacon that Russia is taking a significant risk with its position, which could spark a massive arms race across the Middle East and throw the region into further chaos.

"Failure to extend the U.N. ban on Iran's ability to buy and sell advanced weapons will lead to an escalating arms race in the Middle East," a State Department official, speaking only on background about the situation, told the Free Beacon on Wednesday. "That should worry every nation, including Russia."

If Russia and other traditional foes such as China buck the United States on the arms embargo, the Trump administration may be forced to invoke snapback, a failsafe mechanism built into the nuclear accord that permits nations involved to unilaterally reapply all of the international sanctions lifted as part of the deal.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the Free Beacon late last month that he and the president are undecided on the issue of snapback. However, if the arms embargo is set to be lifted, the Trump administration may be forced to invoke snapback as a last-ditch effort to keep sanctions on Iran in place.

Sen. Jim Risch (R., Idaho), chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told the Free Beacon that the Trump administration should not hesitate to initiate sanctions snapback at the U.N.

"It would be foolish to expect that any amount of unconditional sanctions relief would change Iran's behavior," Risch said in his first comments since the IAEA's bombshell disclosure. "Yesterday's report from the IAEA, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, should give the U.N. cause to trigger a full snapback of sanctions. There is no reason to trust Iran and reward their bad and dangerous behavior. It is also no surprise to see Russia undermining our efforts at the U.N. on this issue—the Russians have always played on both sides of this matter and this is just one more example of that conduct."

Risch, in a separate statement on the IAEA's findings, said it has now become clear Iran is flagrantly violating restrictions on the amount of enriched uranium it can produce.

"This report affirms what many of us have long suspected—the Iranian regime is violating legally binding obligations and commitments," Risch said. "I applaud the IAEA's ongoing efforts to push Iran to fulfill its nonproliferation obligations and I urge Iran to fully cooperate with the IAEA, reverse its recent nuclear activities, and accept the invitation from the Trump administration to begin talks."

[Gracy]

Sammy, Adam Kredo is a neocon propagandist through and through in my opinion. I'll be more than happy to dissect this if need be, but seriously it should be obvious on it's face, he could easily be a speech writer for Netanyahu's UN addresses on Iran.

[shaberon]

I see the Turkish government fistfight, which also rose from an apparent insult to their casualties--much different than the reactions to Trump's "headaches" remark. The main reason for their first round of losses was from not telling Russia and Syria that their troops were embedded with Al Qaeda (Nusra or HTS).

Syria says that a number of U. S. officials (https://sana.sy/en/?p=187338) are infiltrating Idlib.

In this process, Iran has been repeatedly accused of providing support, troops, etc., and they have been fairly quiet. But they have issued their first-ever public statement (https://sana.sy/en/?p=187338). It looks like ten reasonable points informing Turkey that their positions have been in Iranian gun sights for a month, and nothing was ever done, and, well, that could change.

Netanyahu/Likud appears to be winning the Israeli elections. I am not sure that paints the rosiest picture of the voter base, so, one can only watch if the corruption charges stick to him.

I have little doubt that Iran's uranium enrichment is quite close to a weaponizable state, although it does not disturb me at all, compared to Dimona and the "Samson Option", etc., or being under a regime that has been known to use nuclear weapons twice, unnecessarily, against civilian targets with the intent to cause as much death as possible.

Greece (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981215000690) has repelled around 35,000 people from entering, who now find the Turkish military at their back. Enough people trapped in a buffer zone to start a new country.

With some of the troop withdrawal, the U. S. lacks any authority to release prisoners back to the Taliban, and, if they cannot deliver on that promise, the deal might not work. In Iraq, they have a much smaller footprint now, but nothing is likely to get rid of them besides sheer force.

In the so-called Afghani reconstruction, one U. S. agent was ordered to spend $3 million a day--on people who mostly live in mud huts. Nothing to spend it on. Whatever could have happened to the money? Oh well.

[shaberon]

It was evidently US envoy to the UN Kelly Craft (https://www.rt.com/news/482531-us-blocks-un-syria-ceasefire/) who actually went into Idlib and met with the “White Helmets,” the so-called civil defense actually operating hand in arm with militants affiliated with Al-Qaeda. After a six hour meeting wherein Putin must have explained to Erdogan how the "invasion" fizzled, their agreement was blocked in U. N. Security Council, by...guess. Same gang that doesn't like to risk themselves, but offered Turkey some ammunition.

[shaberon]

They believe the same play from Soleimani's prelude is being run again.

The ongoing Katyusha rockets have pelted the Green Zone a few times, but, there was a supposedly fatal attack at Camp Taji, about 30 km north of Baghdad. Two Americans and a Briton are said to have been killed, and, if so, they will have to go with the fact that they were evidently attacked by a Kia Bongo. And so far, there have been reprisals, one in Iraq (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981223000547) and the other in Syria (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-bombs-hashd-al-shaabi-base-along-syrian-border/), mainly against the Iraqi national guard.

The accused again says this is false (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13981222000653).

“Hashd al-Shaabi forces are not afraid of claiming the responsibility for attacks on the US bases, but only if they are involved.”

The air force has bombed a bunch of people, elsewhere from the origin of the claimed attack, where again, the host countries are not particularly happy about this. Without "investigation" or any type of proof or evidence to support their actions.

[shaberon]

Egypt (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arabic-press-review-egypt-coordinating-support-kurdish-led-troops-syria) says it specifically supported the somewhat Kurdish SDF to attack Turkey and those fighters are now headed to Libya to assist an Egyptian (https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/3/9/egypt-forms-force-to-attack-turkish-ships-off-libya) supported navy for the purposes of attacking Turkey.

Turkey has already withdrawn from some of their points, or, is retreating in Idlib, with the highway to Hama falling in Syrian hands.

The same Taji (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-first-casualties-reported-from-latest-rocket-attack-on-iraqi-base-hosting-us-troops/) base has come under rocket fire again, this time, from seven platforms. Since the last episode, there have been threats directly issued within the Iraqi Parliament; so it is possible sometimes an angry national does it, sometimes it is a CIA goon, and others are just made up. But in this case an Iraqi general agrees that it did happen.

[shaberon]

The U. S. is withdrawing (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-withdrawing-from-bases-near-syrian-border/) from several Iraqi bases near Syria, according to its own statement, and Iraqi reports.

There may be a snag in their own statement (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-coalition-to-withdraw-from-several-bases-in-iraq-after-rocket-attacks/):

“As a result of the success of Iraqi Security Forces in their fight against Daesh*, the Coalition is re-positioning troops from a few smaller bases,” the coalition said as quoted by CNN.

“These bases remain under Iraqi control and we will continue our advising partnership for the permanent defeat of Daesh from other Iraqi military bases,” they added.

It's not just the "reason" for the move that is questionable, but, unless I misunderstood the intent of Parliament, there is no Coalition or Iraq is not in it, so it is the U. S. and Norway and maybe France or something. I am not sure there is a partnership to continue.

The President of Afghanistan did agree to release prisoners to the Taliban, which, paradoxically, can only contribute to a U. S. withdrawal there.

One could without much difficulty identify an axis of resistance from Lebanon to the Taliban, which, has the fairly singular mission of U. S. withdrawal, not from x or y base, but from: the Mid-East. The closest problematic thing which may be a successfully independent operator under U. S. control is the Uyghur against China. It does not seem to me that Saudi Arabia will have much more luck in funding uprisings and militias in places where this has been happening. Maybe bits and pieces, but the neighbors appear to have increased capability to get rid of it.

[shaberon]

Here is a quick and accurate look at how it works (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54019.htm). The Associated Press is caught adding words to a remark. It comes to ad hoc attacks on any military units. Occupier cannot bear this. Strikes on warehouses do nothing about it. And without more evidence, it cannot really be said that it was done by someone in particular. When evidence is available, it frequently does not match what the occupier says. For example, one of the units they tried to attack, was in that position, until several days before it happened.

The Russian base in Syria is a legal presence, so, it can mainly only be attacked by drones, which they are good at defeating. Patriot systems are not going to stop this rocket barrage in Iraq. Any actual Iranian forces would be unmotivated to do it because then it would be legal to attack Iran. Being an occupier makes someone a legal target of the Iraqi government, but it is easy for other parties to also do this. No way to end it.

[shaberon]

Here is the aftermath (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-satellite-images-reveal-russian-base-equivalent-to-hmeimim-airport-in-syria/) of the until-recently U. S. backed SDF:

The Russian military was given control of the Qamishli Airport by the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) after an agreement was made with the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to give them access to several areas in northeastern Syria. Qamishli is right at Turkey's border.


Ansarallah may have the world's smallest Air Force (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-bomb-several-saudi-oil-facilities/) consisting of drones and missiles, which again they say has damaged oil and gas facilities. Whereas their defenses have "scared off" at least one F-15.

In relation to the world virus thing, one of the first things that negatively impacted the U. S. stock market was a sudden outflow of foreign investment back to its homelands. In geo-political terms, that's rather grave. Russia has more or less thwarted OPEC for the time being.

[Mashika]

Here is the aftermath (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-satellite-images-reveal-russian-base-equivalent-to-hmeimim-airport-in-syria/) of the until-recently U. S. backed SDF:

The Russian military was given control of the Qamishli Airport by the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) after an agreement was made with the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to give them access to several areas in northeastern Syria. Qamishli is right at Turkey's border.


Ansarallah may have the world's smallest Air Force (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-bomb-several-saudi-oil-facilities/) consisting of drones and missiles, which again they say has damaged oil and gas facilities. Whereas their defenses have "scared off" at least one F-15.

In relation to the world virus thing, one of the first things that negatively impacted the U. S. stock market was a sudden outflow of foreign investment back to its homelands. In geo-political terms, that's rather grave. Russia has more or less thwarted OPEC for the time being.

Anything that happens as a consequence of the US forces being there, is a sad thing. The US had no reason or right to be there in the first place, and the thousands of people who died due to it are not ever going to get any justice, and that's the worst part of all of this

It can always be considered just talk among bigger affairs, like who sells/owns the oil, but that's just because the world is controlled and managed by cowards that could not outrun a normal angry person one street block but think they are mentally able to handle considering the death of hundred of thousands people as if they were chess pieces on an afternoon throw away game

[Iyakum]

Yes, I agree with you Mshika.

What I am more concerned about is that Erdogan is now receiving support from the EU. Again, billions of euros are to flow into Turkey. Johnson, Macron and Merkel have already partially agreed to the plan. It is not a good thing and it is also not acceptable. Neither for the EU nor for the world, so Erdogan would put the money from the EU into his senseless war.
And that ... would cost the lives of more innocent people and especially children. The most precious good we have is our naked life.

Trump already knows why he ordered a partial withdrawal from Syria. The EU and thus the euro will weaken if the EU powers, France, Great Britain and Germany stuff their billions of Erdogan's throats. The doller is currently more stable than before. But the euro is weakening, so Erdogan will continue to pursue its illegal genocide in Syria. As Mashika mentioned, more innocent people will die because the West is pulling back its forces. Then Russia follows, at the end Erdogan is alone. Exactly what the USA wanted to achieve.

The way is paved for war. Internal unrest in Iran, mass deaths, mass graves are being excavated. As the Washinton Post previously reported in the video of the Stat Qom, where mass graves are being excavated. The unrest in the country is now starting to be the optimal time for the USA to finally abolish the mullah regime. I am not pro-war, only the fanatical Islamists of mullahs have been ruling in Iran for 40 years. It should finally be over, that's enough.

[shaberon]

...the world is controlled and managed by cowards that could not outrun a normal angry person one street block but think they are mentally able to handle considering the death of hundred of thousands people as if they were chess pieces on an afternoon throw away game

I tend to think that most people in charge of everything, even ordinary businesses, could not manage their way out of an open paper bag.

The CIA is also quite capable of failing.

Iraq has taken Al Qaim base at the Syrian border back from the U. S. and pulled off their own damaging attack against ISIS or Daesh. Syria is one of the remaining places where the virus doesn't seem to be doing anything. It will definitely slow things down as militaries do not want to catch it. The Syrian Army appears to be moving towards Jisr al Shugor, which has been one of the costliest and most major losses of the whole conflict. It is also the main residence of a militia from Turkestan.

[Mashika]

...the world is controlled and managed by cowards that could not outrun a normal angry person one street block but think they are mentally able to handle considering the death of hundred of thousands people as if they were chess pieces on an afternoon throw away game

I tend to think that most people in charge of everything, even ordinary businesses, could not manage their way out of an open paper bag.

The CIA is also quite capable of failing.

Iraq has taken Al Qaim base at the Syrian border back from the U. S. and pulled off their own damaging attack against ISIS or Daesh. Syria is one of the remaining places where the virus doesn't seem to be doing anything. It will definitely slow things down as militaries do not want to catch it. The Syrian Army appears to be moving towards Jisr al Shugor, which has been one of the costliest and most major losses of the whole conflict. It is also the main residence of a militia from Turkestan.

There was failure on Syria and effort to control and convert the country got successfully taken away, except for the oil as Trump said he had control over it. Next big thing will be either Venezuela or some countries in Africa. Since Bolivia is already under control and Mexico has handled the discovery of their giant lithium deposits outside of anyones view, we can only assume the next thing not under control are Venezuela and whatever countries in Africa have the required resources to sustain the future of the modern world. We are going to see plenty of death in "****w*ole" countries in the next few years, and ISIS will be there and people will be used as shields and tools and for sad/cringe pictures of what happens when fake demo-crazy is not in control.

North Korea also has lots of unknown/untapped resources, but since they have some nuclear capabilities now they can't be easily touched as other countries, so they are half way out of the picture, for now.

I was talking to my sister a few days ago, it's easy to see she has a different view of the entire world and how people act, she's 16 and she seems to be completely outside of reach of the mind controlling stupidity previous generations have

The game is not so invisible anymore, it's easy to see how it plays and who are the players/who are the pieces that get moved around

ETA: We are going to see some stuff going on around Kazakhstan in the next following years xe xe, there's some stuff there that has been ignored for a very long while and it will become important at some point, but this is after the existing resources are exhausted first

[Iyakum]

Thx Mashika for your contribution.
As for North Korea, it's just a matter of crying out for help to the world. We die if you don't help us and you die if we don't get help. Because the nuclear threat is a fact, Pyongyang can deliver nuclear warheads to Iran at any time without the world noticing.

But as far as Kazakhstan is concerned, we must not forget that this country, which is so inconspicuous, has caused a lot of turmoil worldwide. I remember 9.11 ... The deal Trump had with the Afghan Taliban broke due to the influence of Iran and their Islamists. Thus, the CIA is pulling the plans for the strategy of the USA and the Bush junior government from the dusty filing cabinets.

If the Taliban defy Trump and thus the United States and the path that was opened after 9.11 is blocked again, what is left for the CIA apart from the raw opium that the United States largely collects. Without raw opium, some areas of the pharmaceutical industry worldwide would stand still or switch back to chemicals. So Afghanistan has nothing more that would be worthwhile for Trump. So there will probably be one of the first troubled countries in the Middle East. No matter what happens, the oil price drops, nobody really wants to invest anymore, so oil is offered so cheap that the US and the rich countries will grab it. Because that is exactly the intention, they were just waiting for this Covid-19-20-21 ... etc. etc. breaks out and thus also paralyzes the financial world. That's exactly what they did, that's what they call ala "ala Harry Potter".
"Magic"

Whatever the material of Kazakhstan in its natural resources, it must be enormous that there is also a risk of war.
Kazakhstan is the world's first source of the following raw materials: chromium, vanadium, bismuth, fluorine. [8] Kazakhstan has one of the leading positions in the occurrence of uranium, iron, oil, natural gas, copper, coal, cobalt, tungsten, lead, zinc and molybdenum. Opals were also found in the uranium prospect.
So what will the US do now? why the partial withdrawal from Syria? Everything gathers in Iraq, only for what? Is the next enemy Iran as the strongest power in this region in the Middle East? Except for the US and its allies, UK, Israel, Belgium, France, etc.

I currently see the situation this way. It is increasing in tension and not a little, but the CIA is still lacking a good reason to attack Iran. That would be easy, very easy for the United States, if the United States wants it it will even take Iran in a short time.
Iran is completely encircled by the US there is no way out. So if all countries attacked with the United States, Iran would be absolutely unable to defend itself.

The Covid is playing into the hands of the United States and there are already enough deaths in Iran. The situation is very serious and above all unstable, more and more people will try to leave the country and join the refugees on the border with the EU.
OK. I repeat it again so everyone can read. I am against any kind of war, brutality and murder.
Nevertheless, I see no other option than to resort to this hideous solution. The US and its allies must attack Iran and remove the mullah regime. It is over, these "murderers, dictators, child molesters and pedophiles must finally be deposed". When Khomeini returned to Iran from his exile in Paris, he was given a little girl as a pastime for the old man. Her name was Batul and she was nine years old.

No matter what Trump is up to, one thing is more important than anything else and that would be ... The United States must annihilate the regime in Iran. The money, all the billions of dollars that Khamenei has on his Swiss or Cayman, as well as the accounts of other leaders, must be frozen by the UN. That is a huge sum that exceeds my arithmetic skills. Then make sure that none of the mullahs can leave the country under no circumstances. The mullahs must be pulled out at the roots and there must not be a single root left. Then transport all mullahs directly to The Hague and put them all on trial. Only when that is over must a government be established that neither uses Islam as a government forum nor as a monarchy. Waliat, who lives in the USA and lies in the sun every day, has not done anything for 40 years, purely NIX NOTHING! ! !

Democracy is not possible in Iran. So there has to be something that uses a mixture of democracy and social government. This is the only way to finally create peace in this region. And Israel would be the first to join.

[Mashika]

But as far as Kazakhstan is concerned, we must not forget that this country, which is so inconspicuous, has caused a lot of turmoil worldwide. I remember 9.11 ... The deal Trump had with the Afghan Taliban broke due to the influence of Iran and their Islamists. Thus, the CIA is pulling the plans for the strategy of the USA and the Bush junior government from the dusty filing cabinets.


I'm confused about this, what did Kazakhstan had to do with 9/11? Or with causing turmoil worldwide? Wouldn't that be Afghanistan? Kazakhstan is not on the middle east and has no real/important relationships with Iraq, Iran and other countries in the middle east. Kazakhstan is next to Russia and China and it's mostly non existent in the power map of current world. This country used to be part of the Soviet Union so i don't get what you mean by the 9/11 issue and Iraq, as far as i know they had nothing to do with it?

[Iyakum]

Mashika, that's a good question.

I will try to answer them for you. If you look at the map, Kazakhstan is in the former Soviet Union, that's right. But closer look is closer to Afghanistan. Before November 9, Bush senior had reached an agreement with the government in Kazakhstan that the United States would buy the natural resources and run the pipeline through Tajikistan to Afghanistan and then Pakistan to the warm water and thus the Indian Ocean. But the Taliban ruling at that time were against it.

Because all other ways that would be possible would border on Iran or further into Russia. The Taliban were then instructed by the CIA. Bin Laden was the United States' secret CIA agent. Bush senior negotiated with the Osama family who did not want to interfere. So Osama was addressed directly to change the Taliban's mind so that the oil and mineral resources could make their way through Afghanistan. The Taliban refused to cooperate, so Osama was made the scapegoat. The reason for a war against Afghanistan was missing. Thus 9.11 came into the game.

That gave Bush junior reason to attack Afghanistan without mercy. Osama became the scapegoat, fake videos and recordings were enough to just think of one thing in the United States. Revenge, revenge on Osama Bin Laden and thus the attack on Afghanistan, which then took place. Whoever remembers this, called Bush the axis of evil at the same time. Iraq, Iran, North Korea and thus he not only managed to distract from the real goal of the CIA and Bush. No, the other allies of the United States were also drawn into this war.

Bush achieved what he wanted. Bin Laden was taken as a scapegoat for November 9th, Afghanistan, the oil flowed from Khazakhstan towards the Indian Ocean, Saddam Husseyn was abolished and the oil flowed towards the USA. All at the expense of the people who lost their lives at 9.11.

Afghanistan in itself was not involved, they had just driven the Soviets out of their country and were certainly not keen to mess with the US, let alone go to war again. That is why the CIA implemented the plan under Bush on 9.11. Not to mention the fact that the Pentagon was not hit by an airplane, there was no evidence of this and no evidence was found. With such an explosion of several thousand liters of kerosene, the Pentagon would have suffered far more damage than just this small impact compared to an airplane is nothing. Because if such an explosion had taken place, the gas station across from the Pentagon would certainly not have remained intact, and that with several liters of gasoline in the tanks. But the gas station remained intact, even as far as the cameras could record what really happened.

Yes of course you are right if you think Kazakhstan had nothing to do with it. Neither with 9.11 nor with Afghanistan. But that's the point, Bush wanted the natural resources above all oil and natural gas and much more like uranium from Kazakhstan. Only Osama Bin Laden was a leader of the Taliban and he hid exactly where the CIA wanted him, in the mountains of Afghanistan. But all of this also showed Russia that the United States had finally managed to fragment the former Soviet Union, and the United States had also achieved that.

But when the Allies were still there during the war against Afghanistan and then the news came the axis of evil. Saddam has been accused of hiding chemical weapons from the eyes of the world, which was not the case. But the world was clever from 9.11 the whole world was in shock what had happened. However, the CIA followed through on its plan, and so the attack on Iraq followed. Now that the world was in a mood for war and calling for revenge, the United States was already ready to attack Saddam Husseyn in the Persian Gulf, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Yes Kazakhstan had nothing to do with it. They only had a contract with the United States to sell their natural resources, and the United States was the strongest buyer. Why did ex-Secretary of State Collin Powell resign? He was well informed about 9/11, the war against Afghanistan and then the war against Iraq. Powell could no longer reconcile that with his conscience and resigned. Like other countries, the UK itself did not want to wage war against Iraq, neither did Poland, but it was too late. Bush dragged them all into his dirty CIA plans.

The last question that remains is what is the CIA planning now before the election? Or will the choice only be a farce? Trump is already certain for the next term? I think that could be possible ...

[shaberon]

the CIA is still lacking a good reason to attack Iran. That would be easy, very easy for the United States, if the United States wants it it will even take Iran in a short time.
Iran is completely encircled by the US there is no way out. So if all countries attacked with the United States, Iran would be absolutely unable to defend itself.



The CIA cannot attack anything.

The U. S. military almost attacked Iran in the past few days; an F-18 was found in the airspace, warned/threatened, and it left. Trump says he aborted the mission due to a risk of civilian casualties. It was not supposed to be able to be found and warned.

Yes, if the U. S. and allies came in full force, Iran could be obliterated. But the U. S. cannot go anywhere in such full force, and perhaps never again. If they, or countries, could, they would still be loath to take all the losses that would happen, it would cost them a lot.

In the current state, if U. S. or countries were to try anything major on Iran, from some bases and aircraft carriers, all of those assets would be dust within a few hours.

France (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/french-forces-withdraw-from-iraq-after-several-years-inside-the-country-media/) is leaving Iraq, according to some other stories, due to the virus.

The Saudi (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990106000604) coalition is pummeled by it, which, perhaps, may give them an excuse to give up Yemen.

It is in American aircraft carriers as well.

After the calamity of this disease, then, to be sure, several countries in S. America and Africa, also Indonesia, will remain scenes of struggle, although we see Duterte is trying to steer the Philippines off the list of victims.

[Iyakum]

I have not written that the CIA could attest to Iran. All the CIA could do would be to cause unrest and, if necessary, elaborate the plans to have other countries allied with the US join an attack.

If an F 18 can make a reconnaissance flight over strategic military facilities, what could an F 117 stealth plane do? No matter what but something has to happen. The situation in the Middle East is already escalating, see, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
No matter what, but I wonder what the USA is good for if it is not the only superpower that could do something or not at all? ? ?

@shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.

I don't think Iran has any really working bombers or jets except the F14 tomcat and even it lacks all corners. No updates for the Tomcats, no idea if there are any left after the long war against Saddam. What or how many fighter pilots or bombers Iran still has. They are all not really airworthy, you could say that they are glued together with Loctite and somehow stick.

Ok, I see that an attack on Iran would have very bad consequences that we could not calculate, let alone imagine. Of course there would be the problem that Iran is quite large in area, as far as I know Iran has an area of ​​approximately 1.7 million km² and that is a lot of area. So it will not be so easy to capture Iran. Nevertheless, it is encircled by US bases.

https://www.der-postillon.com/2019/05/usa-iran.html

But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape? Trump is afraid to attack Iran. Ok, but if Trump is not re-elected, hasn't Biden said in one of his appearances that he wants the sanctions that Trump has reactivated, possibly to get in touch with the Islamic Republic? So what? You don't really believe that Iran will abide by the IAEA rules and will not produce weapons-grade uranium. Even if Iran doesn't, there are enough other countries that would.

Because for such things, the mullahs have enough money and financial means. Especially if the sanctions are lifted, the country will recover and very quickly. I mean from a certain sum or amount of money everyone can be bought, even engineers from western countries who are familiar with the construction of bombs and rockets.

That being said, I don't think Biden or Sanders can win the election against Trump.

[Dennis Leahy]

I have not written that the CIA could attest to Iran. All the CIA could do would be to cause unrest and, if necessary, elaborate the plans to have other countries allied with the US join an attack.

If an F 18 can make a reconnaissance flight over strategic military facilities, what could an F 117 stealth plane do? No matter what but something has to happen. The situation in the Middle East is already escalating, see, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
No matter what, but I wonder what the USA is good for if it is not the only superpower that could do something or not at all? ? ?

@shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.

I don't think Iran has any really working bombers or jets except the F14 tomcat and even it lacks all corners. No updates for the Tomcats, no idea if there are any left after the long war against Saddam. What or how many fighter pilots or bombers Iran still has. They are all not really airworthy, you could say that they are glued together with Loctite and somehow stick.

Ok, I see that an attack on Iran would have very bad consequences that we could not calculate, let alone imagine. Of course there would be the problem that Iran is quite large in area, as far as I know Iran has an area of ​​approximately 1.7 million km² and that is a lot of area. So it will not be so easy to capture Iran. Nevertheless, it is encircled by US bases.

https://www.der-postillon.com/2019/05/usa-iran.html

But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape? Trump is afraid to attack Iran. Ok, but if Trump is not re-elected, hasn't Biden said in one of his appearances that he wants the sanctions that Trump has reactivated, possibly to get in touch with the Islamic Republic? So what? You don't really believe that Iran will abide by the IAEA rules and will not produce weapons-grade uranium. Even if Iran doesn't, there are enough other countries that would.

Because for such things, the mullahs have enough money and financial means. Especially if the sanctions are lifted, the country will recover and very quickly. I mean from a certain sum or amount of money everyone can be bought, even engineers from western countries who are familiar with the construction of bombs and rockets.

That being said, I don't think Biden or Sanders can win the election against Trump.

All of your information about Iran comes from the people who want to destroy Iran - the US and Israelis. Zionism, really. You are fanning the flames of the propaganda. The USA, INC. does NOT give a sh!t about the people of Iran, and there is no justification to go and bomb the sh!t out of Iran, killing millions of innocent civilians in order to "save the citizens."

You need to disengage your mind from the Zionist propaganda machine that has created your opinion. Zionism is expansionist, imperialist (in case you hadn't noticed Israel's slow genocide of Palestinians and theft of their homeland) and it is Zionist Israel that wants Iran destroyed. The propaganda has made it difficult for you to see who the aggressors are - and always have been. It ain't Iran.

[shaberon]

@shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.


But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape?

Iran's report (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990104000176) included a video of the plane being dismissed. It had to be put together from a story from some other site where Trump said he aborted the mission due to civilians; can't remember where that was.

You are advocating that we remove a standing government? It is an act of war and needs congressional approval. I am going at this as more of a critic of our own regime. I am able to support reducing it without breaking the law. Iran does not need many fighter jets; missiles will do all the work. No one in the "axis of resistance" has much of an air force, but they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of missiles. That is why aircraft carriers are obsolete, like floating cemeteries. Same for the thirty-five bases.

It does not matter to me if they have enriched uranium. Again, we know of only one place that has really used nuclear weapons, twice, against civilians. The U. S. cannot project unilateral force like this any more, whether due to the risk, the high cost that has already broken the country, or that there is really no popular support for a war of any kind. We will always have a 15% minority who is happy to run proxies or do small-scale violence via the CIA in an attempt to white-knuckle their wealth, and this is the part that is hard to stop, since it is unelected and unaccountable for its actions, it is a form of dictatorship.

France only had around 100 in Iraq. There are 5,000 Americans and 2,500 others, who are leaving Nineveh and Mosul, not leaving the country but "consolidating" at four bigger bases with Patriots.

I do not know what the U. S. is good for as a superpower. Instead, it seems to me that the U. S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia will disintegrate, not really due to me trying to change their regimes, but, their internal and foreign policies are unsustainable, so they will just get worse and worse problems until they fold, which is more or less in progress now. In the long run, it should be purged of corporatism, real estate, and the medical system; or, at least, we had our revolution to prevent these things. And here, even Sharia law has certain advantages, like no such thing as mortgage. Most of the ancient cultures also practiced Jubilee, and, in the opinion of the corporate system, you better not know about this, they have done quite a bit to erase memories about societies getting a grip on "wage slavery".

[Mashika]

@shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.


But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape?

Iran's report (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990104000176) included a video of the plane being dismissed. It had to be put together from a story from some other site where Trump said he aborted the mission due to civilians; can't remember where that was.

You are advocating that we remove a standing government? It is an act of war and needs congressional approval. I am going at this as more of a critic of our own regime. I am able to support reducing it without breaking the law. Iran does not need many fighter jets; missiles will do all the work. No one in the "axis of resistance" has much of an air force, but they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of missiles. That is why aircraft carriers are obsolete, like floating cemeteries. Same for the thirty-five bases.

It does not matter to me if they have enriched uranium. Again, we know of only one place that has really used nuclear weapons, twice, against civilians. The U. S. cannot project unilateral force like this any more, whether due to the risk, the high cost that has already broken the country, or that there is really no popular support for a war of any kind. We will always have a 15% minority who is happy to run proxies or do small-scale violence via the CIA in an attempt to white-knuckle their wealth, and this is the part that is hard to stop, since it is unelected and unaccountable for its actions, it is a form of dictatorship.

France only had around 100 in Iraq. There are 5,000 Americans and 2,500 others, who are leaving Nineveh and Mosul, not leaving the country but "consolidating" at four bigger bases with Patriots.

I do not know what the U. S. is good for as a superpower. Instead, it seems to me that the U. S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia will disintegrate, not really due to me trying to change their regimes, but, their internal and foreign policies are unsustainable, so they will just get worse and worse problems until they fold, which is more or less in progress now. In the long run, it should be purged of corporatism, real estate, and the medical system; or, at least, we had our revolution to prevent these things. And here, even Sharia law has certain advantages, like no such thing as mortgage. Most of the ancient cultures also practiced Jubilee, and, in the opinion of the corporate system, you better not know about this, they have done quite a bit to erase memories about societies getting a grip on "wage slavery".

People in the US has not realized most things good in life have already been taken from them, in the name of "safety" and plenty other excuses. For me, what they see as freedom is just suffocating rules on how to live your life, with no gain for you as a citizen. And let's not even talk about why you can die just by raising your hands in compliance with a cop while a second cop is telling you to NOT raise your hands..

I have read about living off the grid on the US, it seems like a magical thing for most US citizens, getting away from the cities and producing your own food and stuff, it has gone in a way that it seems like a dream for lots of people, but in other countries (less free than the US) that's the norm! How can people not realize this?

Now we constantly hear about how these countries on the middle east are bad and stuff like that, plenty of reasons while at the same time we know but never hear who supports those groups that turn those countries into complete wastelands, while before they were doing fine in their own way. It is clear the entire narrative of how those countries ended up being "bad countries" is broken and damaged. And tons of people around the world are so naive and oblivious to reality it really causes a second part of humanity to be very very angry about this ignorance and silence.

I had a friend named Binay, he was from Pakistan, he lived in Russia growing up and then moved away. Lost contact with him about 4 years ago. A few months ago i learned he died 3 year ago, he got beheaded by some ISIS people, he left behind 2 boys and one girl, and a wife. His parent is taking care of them, but he has diabetes and has already lost one leg to it. He has not much time left and then who knows what will happen to those kids, Syria is not a good place to be and every single person i have talked about it likes to pretend it all started out of nowhere, no mention at all of who supported ISIS or the "freedom fighters" who ended up being the same ISIS groups under other names. No mention at all of where the guns and money to cause all that death and destruction came from. And that makes me angry and somehow disappointed in humanity on America, because they don't care to know most times

There was no need for that suffering, and there must be thousands and more in same situation, and they will never get any justice. There are always tons of ways to go around the main issue, right?

[justntime2learn]

Hi Mashika,

Many of us in the US did realize, but the majority probably not.

I love your insight though.

[shaberon]

People in the US has not realized most things good in life have already been taken from them, in the name of "safety" and plenty other excuses. For me, what they see as freedom is just suffocating rules on how to live your life, with no gain for you as a citizen. And let's not even talk about why you can die just by raising your hands in compliance with a cop while a second cop is telling you to NOT raise your hands..

I have read about living off the grid on the US, it seems like a magical thing for most US citizens, getting away from the cities and producing your own food and stuff, it has gone in a way that it seems like a dream for lots of people, but in other countries (less free than the US) that's the norm! How can people not realize this?



Spot on, and this came with what we call the Civil War, which should mean two sides fighting for control of the government, which is not what happened. It was more of a pro-empire war and after that, laws started changing, and each generation takes some loss and loses the memories and values. Now, it is some kind of artificial substitute, much like you have described.


What I said earlier was mistaken, the same article has both statements that Iran threatened the F-18 and that the president stopped it.

[Iyakum]

First of all, I'm definitely not a person who supports the Zionist system, especially not what the US and the deep state are doing. I form my own opinion and I represent it, alas if I should sometimes be wrong or misjudge situations. But that doesn't mean that I listen to the propaganda from Israle or the USA. I read my previous posts that I am against such measures and also tried to explain how and what could have been the trigger for 9.11.

I lived in Iran, witnessed the beginning of the revolution and the first Gulf War, and also fought. I was in political detention in Evin Prison for 30 months. I heard the little girls' voices in the next room where the women were gathered for questioning. I heard how young children were brutally treated, how women were abused when they went to the toilet. I was there, only I couldn't see it through the blindfold that everyone in evin prison has to wear. but I could hear the voices. a woman asked to be allowed to go to the toilet, she had to wash herself urgently.

But the man who worked for the Revolutionary Guard did not let her go. he asked her why she had to go to the toilet? She replied that she had red alert. I think you can't explain it more clearly as a woman. The man just didn't let her go alone and didn't call a woman guard, no, he accompanied her. She came back crying. So please tell me, a government that allows and supports such things to remain in power? What does that have to do with propaganda from Israel and the USA?

I know what Israel is up to with Palestine and what is going on there, if I did not know it I would not allow myself to take part in this discussion. But how long has this been going on with Israel and Palestine and Lebanon, how long? Since Moshe Dajan or Golda Meir? I mean the whole world is watching and nothing is happening. should the same thing happen to the mullahs' regime in Iran? What the mullahs in Iran do to people is ok, I mean should it go on like this? Then ok, then go ahead, I would like to hear a solution to this.

I don't see a solution, there will surely be many deaths in the event of an attack. Is the Iranian government really a solid system? If so, why are people murdered by this regime every day? I'm not against the people, I don't want people to die Iranians. I just want this government to go, and that has nothing to do with warmongering. Rather so that people cannot defend themselves, whoever opens their mouths is killed. The mullahs and their followers rule with the politics of fear. Should it really go on like this, being constantly on the run, just living in fear?

What has Iran lost in Syria or in Lebanon? While the people of Iran barely have anything to eat, the mullahs are at war. But I don't care, I don't live in Iran and that's a good thing. Let them do what they want, I have helped long enough when Iranians were in need. From now on, those who think I can listen to the propaganda of Israel can take care of it.

[Dennis Leahy]

Iyacum, I misjudged you. You have real life experience that you are relying on.

The president of the Unites States of America declared (even before the election in 2016) that he was not only pro-torture, he wanted to see torture get turned up, made more severe! The USA, Inc. military has numerous "black prisons" and "detainment centers" around the world, as well as well-known detainment centers such as Guantanamo. Torture goes on in all these places every day. Why not ask for a world superpower to bomb the USA? Israel is the epicenter of Middle East tensions, and has been ever since at least 1967 when they told the UN and the US and the world to STFU and stand down while they stole much of the remaining Palestine that was most desirable. Why not call for a superpower to bomb Israel?

There are a lot of examples of nations where the "leaders" end up to be crooks and do whatever they feel is necessary to control their populations and make themselves rich, and the USA has done nothing to help the citizens. There are a lot of examples where natural disasters have tremendously impacted populations, and the USA sends nothing or a token. Or, even worse, increases economic sanctions (John Perkins' revelation that this is a phase of war, undeclared "war"), like in Venezuela. Venezuela is fighting off a bioweapon (or a "bioweapons-grade" virus), it is estimated that 100,000 Venezuelans have died already due to US-imposed economic sanctions, and what does the USA do? Holds firm on sanctions (which State officials have admitted are aimed at citizens, not governments. -Again, another tactic John Perkins educated us about.) China, Russia, and Cuba sent medical supplies to Venezuela (probably in defiance of sanctions.) Who is the bad guy here?

The US president (a military general) in 1960 coined the term "Military Industrial Complex" and warned the American people that the MIC were already having "undue influence." Since then, the MIC metastasized. Since then, almost all manufacturing jobs in the US were lost, due to corporations unwillingness to pay fair wages and keep pollution within sane parameters. What is left in the USA is the Military Industrial Complex (and a few other 'complexes' such as Intelligence/Security Complex, Big Pharma and Big Rockefeller/Allopathic Medicine Complex, Big Ag and Ag Chemical Complex), but 2/3rds of the US budget is for the Military Industrial Complex. So eternal war is the USA's economic stability. The USA needs to start wars to profit from wars. The USA is the VERY LAST country that should (pretend to) intervene in other countries affairs.

US citizens have been manipulated using a variety of techniques, but (remember the 'babies in the incubators' fabrication), primarily with visceral imagery. "Chopping off heads!" "Raping!" "Gassing their own people!" These are the images that the militariist/war-profiteering think tanks have found to be the most effective memes to garner public acquiescence to their warmongering agenda. Or the mother of them all, "weapons of mass destruction!" I wish nobody had nukes, but Israel does, and again, they are the most aggressive, most destabilizing force in the Middle East. The ever-expanding "Greater Israel" project is not just a conspiracy theory, and Israel has already doubled in size stealing Palestinian territory and Syrian territory. Yet, Iran is the bad guy in the Middle East? I'm not for bombing anyone, but if I was, and I actually wanted peace in the Middle East, Israel would surrender all nukes, stop all aggression, and give back Palestinian land to Palestine - and if they would not, then send in UN forces into Israel, aimed at the Zionist mobsters that control Israel's government, not the Israeli citizens.

You may have personal reasons to want a regime change in Iran, but calling on the USA and it's military toadies to destroy Iran and murder millions of Iranian civilians is a pretty poor way to help the citizens of Iran, and is in lockstep with the USA, INC. war-profiteering mobsters agenda.

[shaberon]

So please tell me, a government that allows and supports such things to remain in power? What does that have to do with propaganda from Israel and the USA?



There are a lot of prisons which are really severe like that. Most likely, originally, they all were, and it is only recently this may have changed, since various types of what we consider to be human rights never really started until the 19th century.

Gaza is considered a prison, has all of 40 Intensive Care Units, and will probably be one of the worst virus infestations, thanks to conditions imposed on them.

Iran may have some really harsh domestic policies: ok. As foreign affairs or international policies, I do not see them doing much that is all that destructive, unlike some of the countries that may have more tender treatment of their murderers. You wouldn't want to be a prisoner in Turkey, Singapore, Myanmar, Ghana, Uruguay, Kuwait, on and on, there is no shortage of authorities on the brutal side. But only one of those is trying to destroy something outside of itself, and, they are losing really bad in Libya.

That is more or less how I view these things, in terms of what does a country do to other countries, and not really whether their internal laws or culture seem suitable to me personally.

[Iyakum]

Hey guys,

before I answer I would like to mention that everything we are discussing here is just a discussion and I try to do my own part that it remains a friendly discussion and exchange. I have nothing against your opinion as you have nothing against mine. I just wanted to say that before answering and thanks to everyone involved in this somewhat difficult discussion. After all, some nationalities, cultures and perspectives meet here. Hoping that everyone has the same rights and acceptance - Thx @ll

It is not easy to answer, because on the one hand all partners have had different experiences. My experiences are of a practical nature, almost only life experiences with which I have been able to successfully live my life.
I do not want to say that I am very familiar with politics, especially US politics, only what I have learned is in line with Dennis Leahy's view. The fact that the president said in the 2016 elections he does not want to lower torture but rather increases it and that there is no plan to abolish Guantanamo. Now that's what the mullahs talked about when they took power in 1979. first there was a general amnesty, then the prisons, especially Evin and Chasr, filled up again with political prisoners. Who have been locked up for their opinion. Yes there were terrorist attacks that shouldn't have been.

The mullahs' takeover was relatively easy. Suddenly, very many people were armed and shot at civilians. Anyone who realized that the future government was more towards captivity and terror was publicly executed on the street. A kind of terror broke out on the streets of the big cities. Blood flowed everywhere. It was also a very brutal revolution. On the one hand the Islamists, the military, the Mujaheddins, the left and the monarchists, who hadn't really been deposed yet. When the Islamists became aware that there were so many groups, they called for the violence of terror to begin. as the saying goes, "those who come to power with terror continue with terror when they are in power".

Yes, it is true that the USA did not really help as the superpower, just how long it took for Clinton to intervene in ex Yugoslavia and put an end to the senseless murder. Also in Haiti or in other countries. Only where there is something to get as when Saddam invaded Kuwait and thus started the second Gulf War. But Bush senior could have disempowered Saddam at the time, but he didn't. That was strategically planned so that Bush junior could wage war and above all prove himself to everyone.

It is correct what Dennis writes, there should be a superpower that will attack Israel and the United States. Only that doesn't exist, and the Israeli arsenal grows every day. I agree, only then I ask myself how could you allow countries like India and Pakistan to suddenly have nuclear weapons and build them? Nobody really intervened, not even when France tested its nuclear tests on the Muruoraatolle. France was allowed to do that, there were mass protests against it, only nothing has moved. Especially not the USA or the IAEA.

Yes, in order to really achieve peace in the Middle Easter or Middle East, Israel would first have to surrender all nuclear weapons. Only that will never happen, even if the UN intervenes.
And yes, I have personal reasons for a change of power in Iran, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. Only when I think of the situation in Iran every time does I feel sick. It is exactly what Dennie Lehaye writes. A lot of civilians would die in an attack by the United States. But they also die that way, not in such an amount and the number if there is war, but still.

Well I withdraw my call, I see that this call does not fit and is not appropriate. Then what? Let's put it this way, I see from my personal reasons that I mentioned or called that the USA and Israel attack Iran and thus initiate a change of power. Ok, erased erased from my brain.

I know there are prisons in other countries, especially in the United States, that we don't even know exist. I know the conditions of a prison in Istanbul, where I was able to enjoy the hospitality of the Turks for a very short time. I don't know how it is today, but in my time the prison was in Sirkeci. The entrance portal or rather the small door that leads into the prison made of stone and wood. In Turkish it said "Burda Allah Yok" which means there is no God here. I was lucky not to have spent more than three days, only I know how they treat people and I also know their torture. I don't want to know what it's like in countries that shaberon has listed.

Well, there is no way to help the civilian population. Not while the mullahs are in power. Then it is so, they wanted the revolution against the Shah and got it. Which doesn't mean I think Shah Pahlavi was good for the country. Because he wasn't, under his dictatorship there were enough deaths and enough people who simply disappeared in prisons. As I wrote in the last posting. I've been helping as long as I can. If at some point the Iranians decide to start a white revolution, then they should do it. Through this discussion and based on my life experience, I have learned enough and also had to take enough. Now it is up to the people of Iran to decide what they want and what is not, what is good for them and what is not. I no longer intervene when it comes to help or support for Iranians. I can't and don't want to do anything in this direction anymore.

Over and out...

[shaberon]

Here is how close we are to the scenario:

By withdrawing from vulnerable bases in Iraq, the U. S. military, by consolidating, is preparing for a destructive (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-ordered-to-plan-for-major-escalation-with-iran-in-iraq-report/) campaign against Iranian paramilitaries (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-ordered-to-prepare-for-destruction-campaign-against-iranian-backed-forces/)--aside from the fact these have not really been proven to have done the attacks, and "threats" come from sessions of Iraq's Parliament.

The primary culprits behind this potential military escalation are top officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Robert C. O’Brien, the national security adviser.

Therefor the Pentagon is responding to pressure from appointed officials.

So far, the orders given seem to be to plan and prepare. Most of the military usually does not want to do this stuff, does not believe it will work, and will probably have worse consequences. The Iranian forces are invited guests, why would someone think attacking them is a good idea?

If the Mid-East calls its shots, there will be no peace until America and Israel are gone: the first by simply leaving, and, the second, by being "wiped off the map", which means the state apparatus is dissolved. So it is not really even against the government--not in the sense of removing one and installing another. It means changing the borders back to something like 1967, erasing and re-writing the laws from zero. It does not necessarily mean violence. It could be done with enough popular support from Israelis.

My view at home is that the Federal entity is undesirable, and it would be better to have lone states and a few regional blocs. So I am already in favor of forms of erasure.

[Mashika]

Hey guys,

before I answer I would like to mention that everything we are discussing here is just a discussion and I try to do my own part that it remains a friendly discussion and exchange. I have nothing against your opinion as you have nothing against mine. I just wanted to say that before answering and thanks to everyone involved in this somewhat difficult discussion. After all, some nationalities, cultures and perspectives meet here. Hoping that everyone has the same rights and acceptance - Thx @ll

It is not easy to answer, because on the one hand all partners have had different experiences. My experiences are of a practical nature, almost only life experiences with which I have been able to successfully live my life.
I do not want to say that I am very familiar with politics, especially US politics, only what I have learned is in line with Dennis Leahy's view. The fact that the president said in the 2016 elections he does not want to lower torture but rather increases it and that there is no plan to abolish Guantanamo. Now that's what the mullahs talked about when they took power in 1979. first there was a general amnesty, then the prisons, especially Evin and Chasr, filled up again with political prisoners. Who have been locked up for their opinion. Yes there were terrorist attacks that shouldn't have been.

The mullahs' takeover was relatively easy. Suddenly, very many people were armed and shot at civilians. Anyone who realized that the future government was more towards captivity and terror was publicly executed on the street. A kind of terror broke out on the streets of the big cities. Blood flowed everywhere. It was also a very brutal revolution. On the one hand the Islamists, the military, the Mujaheddins, the left and the monarchists, who hadn't really been deposed yet. When the Islamists became aware that there were so many groups, they called for the violence of terror to begin. as the saying goes, "those who come to power with terror continue with terror when they are in power".

Yes, it is true that the USA did not really help as the superpower, just how long it took for Clinton to intervene in ex Yugoslavia and put an end to the senseless murder. Also in Haiti or in other countries. Only where there is something to get as when Saddam invaded Kuwait and thus started the second Gulf War. But Bush senior could have disempowered Saddam at the time, but he didn't. That was strategically planned so that Bush junior could wage war and above all prove himself to everyone.

It is correct what Dennis writes, there should be a superpower that will attack Israel and the United States. Only that doesn't exist, and the Israeli arsenal grows every day. I agree, only then I ask myself how could you allow countries like India and Pakistan to suddenly have nuclear weapons and build them? Nobody really intervened, not even when France tested its nuclear tests on the Muruoraatolle. France was allowed to do that, there were mass protests against it, only nothing has moved. Especially not the USA or the IAEA.

Yes, in order to really achieve peace in the Middle Easter or Middle East, Israel would first have to surrender all nuclear weapons. Only that will never happen, even if the UN intervenes.
And yes, I have personal reasons for a change of power in Iran, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. Only when I think of the situation in Iran every time does I feel sick. It is exactly what Dennie Lehaye writes. A lot of civilians would die in an attack by the United States. But they also die that way, not in such an amount and the number if there is war, but still.

Well I withdraw my call, I see that this call does not fit and is not appropriate. Then what? Let's put it this way, I see from my personal reasons that I mentioned or called that the USA and Israel attack Iran and thus initiate a change of power. Ok, erased erased from my brain.

I know there are prisons in other countries, especially in the United States, that we don't even know exist. I know the conditions of a prison in Istanbul, where I was able to enjoy the hospitality of the Turks for a very short time. I don't know how it is today, but in my time the prison was in Sirkeci. The entrance portal or rather the small door that leads into the prison made of stone and wood. In Turkish it said "Burda Allah Yok" which means there is no God here. I was lucky not to have spent more than three days, only I know how they treat people and I also know their torture. I don't want to know what it's like in countries that shaberon has listed.

Well, there is no way to help the civilian population. Not while the mullahs are in power. Then it is so, they wanted the revolution against the Shah and got it. Which doesn't mean I think Shah Pahlavi was good for the country. Because he wasn't, under his dictatorship there were enough deaths and enough people who simply disappeared in prisons. As I wrote in the last posting. I've been helping as long as I can. If at some point the Iranians decide to start a white revolution, then they should do it. Through this discussion and based on my life experience, I have learned enough and also had to take enough. Now it is up to the people of Iran to decide what they want and what is not, what is good for them and what is not. I no longer intervene when it comes to help or support for Iranians. I can't and don't want to do anything in this direction anymore.

Over and out...

I guess i can just say that thinking US intervention will somehow make things better than the current reality is a mistake. Look at Haiti for example, we don't hear news about it at all because the tremendous suffering was caused by an exact same scenario as the one you describe in Iran, so all the suffering is hidden away from the world and Haiti is considered a "democratic and free" country, but not at all in reality

Bolivia is another case, indigenous people are being killed and silenced badly, abused in ways we don't hear about because the coup leaders were sent and setup with money and support by the US, the country was doing fine in their own way. Now you won't hear about the suffering of those people because the coup leaders are supported by the US and are extremely racists against indigenous people, the Bolivian army has free pass to kill any indigenous people for any reason and they abuse that power, it was given to them by the new leadership and who is going to know what happens if those people got their voices completely removed?

I don't think Iran would be different, it would be a dream for the US gov to take down the current "regime" (it's always a regime if it doesn't align with the US goals), but the new installed government would probably be worse, it just will not be attacked or considered bad in anyway because it aligns with US goals in the region, and if millions die no one will know and history will repeat again, causing more jihadists and war, that's just not the road to real freedom and real democracy, and neither is the will of the people as in Bolivia, Venezuela, Haiti and tons of other countries that got their lives completely destroyed "in the name of"

In Syria, it was said way too many times that it was the fight of the people to free the country from Assad, but once territories and towns were being freed from ISIS and the fake freedom fighters, people would be happy and show support for the Syrian army, why? And if it was the people who were wanting to remove the official gov, where are they now? How come people run away from the freedom fighters controlled zones in thousands and into Syrian official government controlled zones? How come they run to Russian army soldiers happy to see them? It was all lies in the end, it wasn't the will of the people, they got it way worse but things are getting better a bit for them now, and you won't hear much about it on main stream media of course, it's hard to backtrack and say "we were wrong"

Oh and Libya but everyone knows about that one, is like the best and worse example of what happens when "freedom and democracy" are forcefully introduced, pure hell. People went from having some kind stable modern life to becoming slaves and basically living in caves. How is that "good"? But we don't hear about it also anywhere, it has been silenced for the most part

But what do i know, i'm just talking from what i've seen so far, i read a list of countries that got intervened by the US and those were like 50 or so and all of them went from mostly ok to hell holes in the following years after being "liberated". I believe history proves this is the wrong way to fix things, just saying

[shaberon]

No, U. S. intervention is rarely helpful, and it would be the first big lie to say it is a democracy, or, really, the original U. S. was aimed at preventing democracy, whereas the cult of "citizenship" that we have now is a form of it. In other words, preventing the spread of democracy sounds like a better or at least alternate path to peace and prosperity. This is not even supposed to be a "republic", but the use of "a republican form of government", not a democracy whatsoever. It should secure endowed rights, charge tariffs, and that's about it. None of the European revolutions followed this model--Thomas Paine terrified all those governments into the conclusion that an "American style" revolution was unacceptable. When it started in France, it may well have been similar, but got taken over and pushed in a different direction. None of those new republics allow you to be anything besides "citizen subject". Whether this is better for the population than monarchy, I am not sure, but as far as I know, the longest outbreak of peace for about 40 years was due to an Emperor (Franz-Josef), and not by iron-fisted oppression.


Saudi Arabia intercepted two missiles over Riyadh the other day; two are not usually a problem, but now (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ansarallah-forces-launch-largest-attack-inside-saudi-arabia-since-start-of-yemen-war/) they have taken the largest attack yet:

“the joint military operation of the missile force and the Air Force managed to target a number of sensitive targets in the capital of the Saudi enemy, Riyadh, with Zulfiqar missiles, and a number of Samad-3 aircraft.”

“The major military operation also targeted a number of economic and military targets in Jizan, Najran and Asir, with a large number of Badr missiles and 2K bombers.”

That is only a prelude to what is about to happen.

The whole wave of ordinance they sent probably cost about as much as a single Patriot missile, which, to its credit, has around a 60% success rate, somewhere around the efficiency of Soviet-era equipment.

[silvanelf]

The Turkish Navy has officially joined the battle in Libya by targeting warplanes supporting the Libyan National Army (LNA).

On April 1 morning, a warship of the Turkish Navy parked off the coast of the town of Sabratah to the west of capital, Tripoli, launched a RIM-66E-05 missile, reportedly at an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) supporting the LNA.

Libyan sources shared photos of the missile’s remains as well as of the warship, which appears to be a G-class frigate. Eight frigates of this type, which is an extensively modernized versions of ex-Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided-missile frigates of the US Navy, are in active service with the Turkish Navy.

https://southfront.org/turkish-navy-joins-battle-in-libya-launches-missiles-at-warplanes-supporting-lna-photos/

Does it mean that the LNA is now free to open fire against any Turkish warships near the coast of Libya? As it seems the LNA has full control of Libyan airspace -- in other words the Turkish warships are just sitting ducks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Soda]

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Please note interesting tid bit - we are reminded of the camp Taji attacks in this report ( which took place on March 11, 2020). Taj in Persian means Crown. I bring this up because a lot of people have pointed out the significance of the term Corona.

[shaberon]

[QUOTE]
Does it mean that the LNA is now free to open fire against any Turkish warships near the coast of Libya? As it seems the LNA has full control of Libyan airspace -- in other words the Turkish warships are just sitting ducks. Correct me if I'm wrong.


The Libyans have been attacking Turkish assets at will and so yes, now there are a few more Navy assets to shoot at. And here it is at least partly Egypt doing the shooting or helping it. I am not sure about air supremacy.

The Turkish conscripts from Syria are ready to defect since they are not being paid.

Both here and Idlib perhaps are cauldrons for the utter destruction of the Al Qaeda and Turkmen outfits. It is possible the stupid-seeming Turkish standoff involves this purpose. These are not national guard type militias, and it may not be feasible for Turkey to "withdraw" the groups, since they are not really a part of society. In that case it makes sense to support them fighting until there is nothing left.

[shaberon]

In the past few days after the virus entered Syria on a twenty-year-old man from "outside of the country", they have taken attacks from Israel, Turkey, and jihadists. Damaging, but doesn't seem to affect their momentum.

Iranian Asbat al Thaireen (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/04/03/622217/Iraq-anti-terror-groups-on-alert-false-flag-US-operations-trump-Iran) says they were in position to attack Ain al Assad, and stopped due to the presence of Iraqis. Different group than Kataib Hezbollah with its own drones. They are highly suspicious of false flag attacks, since apparently no one yet has said they used the Katyusha barrages. There are around thirty of these paramilitary units just of Iraqi origin, so, it is really difficult to figure out exactly who is using such relatively small weapons. Iraq is not happy with the addition of Patriots. They do not want to be a battlefield between U. S. and Iran.

Trump is right, there is "information and belief" that Iranian proxies will attack American troops, but he should add Iraqi Parliament and who knows how many Iraqi proxies. Ansarallah as well as the group in the article also suspect Coronavirus will be weaponized against them (such as contaminated supplies). Saudi Arabia actually entered peace talks but these were probably full of one-sided demands; this was shortly after whatever the recent large attack on Riyadh, Jeddah, etc. did.

[Mashika]

In the past few days after the virus entered Syria on a twenty-year-old man from "outside of the country", they have taken attacks from Israel, Turkey, and jihadists. Damaging, but doesn't seem to affect their momentum.

Iranian Asbat al Thaireen (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/04/03/622217/Iraq-anti-terror-groups-on-alert-false-flag-US-operations-trump-Iran) says they were in position to attack Ain al Assad, and stopped due to the presence of Iraqis. Different group than Kataib Hezbollah with its own drones. They are highly suspicious of false flag attacks, since apparently no one yet has said they used the Katyusha barrages. There are around thirty of these paramilitary units just of Iraqi origin, so, it is really difficult to figure out exactly who is using such relatively small weapons. Iraq is not happy with the addition of Patriots. They do not want to be a battlefield between U. S. and Iran.

Trump is right, there is "information and belief" that Iranian proxies will attack American troops, but he should add Iraqi Parliament and who knows how many Iraqi proxies. Ansarallah as well as the group in the article also suspect Coronavirus will be weaponized against them (such as contaminated supplies). Saudi Arabia actually entered peace talks but these were probably full of one-sided demands; this was shortly after whatever the recent large attack on Riyadh, Jeddah, etc. did.

It's easy to say "Iranian proxies" and then show Katyusha as proof, but lets not forget that lots of old Soviet states gave a lot of that stuff away to the US along with nuclear bombs and other/plenty of guns/tanks and stuff. You could easily say as well the US has used some of those rockets or other armament as "proxies" for their own narrative, and there's no way to prove one way or the other. Even the US had access to the S-300 several years ago, so they know how it works and can replicate it if needed, there's not real footprint anymore

[shaberon]

It's easy to say "Iranian proxies" and then show Katyusha as proof, but lets not forget that lots of old Soviet states gave a lot of that stuff away to the US along with nuclear bombs and other/plenty of guns/tanks and stuff. You could easily say as well the US has used some of those rockets or other armament as "proxies" for their own narrative, and there's no way to prove one way or the other. Even the US had access to the S-300 several years ago, so they know how it works and can replicate it if needed, there's not real footprint anymore

Yes, using the enemy's weapons is a way to run a false flag, which is what many of the locals believe is being done in most cases. There are no answers unless you catch someone doing it, which only takes a few minutes. This stuff is a bit of a non-flag since the target for retaliation is pre-determined and needs no evidence at all. No one sticks a HZB flag on a truck to try to blame them; everything is unmarked.

But they won't need a silly pretext that no one believes.

What the U. S. ignores is that the eminent threat is from Iraqis (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-factions-vow-to-attack-us-forces-in-iraq-until-they-fully-withdraw/):

Several Iraqi factions issued a joint statement on Saturday in which they vowed to target the U.S. forces until they fully withdraw from Iraq.

According to the statement, eight Iraqi factions – including Asaib Ahl al-Haqq, Liwaa Imam ‘Ali, and Harakat Al-Nujaba Movement – vowed to attack the U.S. forces in Iraq, while also condemning the newly appointed Prime Minister, ‘Adnan Al-Zurfi.

Other participants (https://en.mehrnews.com/news/157236/US-military-forces-in-Iraq-to-be-treated-as-occupiers-statement) include Kata’ib Jund al-Imam Movement, Sayyed al-Shohada, Imam Ali, Ashura and Al-Khorasani battalions.

Remember the Khorasanis? Bush defeated them.

The unit that the U. S. has attacked so far is Hashd al Shaabi, the Iraqi National Guard who is at war with ISIS (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990116000852) who is putting oil in the water. And so they are now also planning to attack (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/04/04/622329/Iraq-popular-forces-Hashd-shaabi-US-occupation) the U. S. The American target list (https://en.mehrnews.com/news/157150/US-multiple-goals-for-possible-military-action-in-Iraq) looks a little different--"Iraqi groups close to Iran".

"Washington assumes that adopting such an approach can reduce Iran’s influence in Iraq and undermine the economic, political and cultural cooperation between the two countries which play a significant role in reducing the impact of US sanctions on Tehran."

In other words, they don't publicly say, let's just attack Iraq, and they pretend the problem is Iranian. The problem and threats are Iraqi, and there is not enough time left in eternity to "kick out the Iranian bogeyman". The paramilitaries probably do not have anything bigger than Katyushas, which are World War II ordinance. What they use and how they do it, remains to be seen, but I don't think they are joking.


Meanwhile, Netanyahu says Israel is run by a "deep state" in Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-netanyahu-behind-closed-doors-deep-state-controls-israel-1.8736138). Thanks for the reminder!

[shaberon]

Similarly to the above, the Saudi coalition is proceeding at a rate whereby some UAE factions (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/04/04/622274/UAE-saudi-Yemen-Tai%E2%80%99zz-demographics-Socotra) have turned coat and are operating in coastal Taiz to overthrow the Saudi--Hadi government and its forces, so in other words they are cooperating with the Houthi--Ansarallah resistance. It is possible they are additionally irked by the Saudi occupation of the island of Socotora. The Saudis do not seem to be much good at occupying continental land, having what looks like one of the worst performing professional militaries known to history. But towards the island, Houthis can only send a navy of scuba divers and a few small motorboats.

In terms of another nearby occupation, we are reminded that not only is it a general middle eastern attitude, and the state policy of Iran, but according to the religious tradition (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990116001010) itself:

The existence of the State of Israel...is forbidden in Judaism.

If we look back to what happened, no one was really bothered by the pre-Balfour original settlements which took about 2% of the current territory; it was not a country. It is mostly everything since then that most affected parties claim to be illegitimate or forced takeover.

"The Muslim majority in Palestine embraced Jews for centuries, and they were our gracious hosts. According to Judaism we are required to be grateful for those who have been kind to us. Now that they are being deprived of their rights, we have a moral obligation to stand up for them. Religious Jews worldwide constantly come out in solidarity with the people of Palestine. It is truly disturbing when the Zionist movement misuses our religion to justify their criminal actions. The only way to truly bring about peace would be to end Zionism, end the occupation in it is entirety, allow the return of all refugees and restore the rights of the Palestinians in their ancestral land."

I would call that Jewish nationalism, because a nation is a culture, not a country, and he is preaching for the integrity of his culture, instead of the watered-down name label used by atheists and criminals for the sake of a country. He has no Millenialist predictions and would wait around for eternity if the messiah never showed up.

[shaberon]

This theater has quieted down due to the virus.

Militants have been back and forth over the M4 highway, which Turkey has agreed to prevent, and now there are reports of Hayat Tahrir al Sham (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militant-forces-open-fire-on-turkish-army-in-idlib-report/) firing on Turkish forces. That is unusual.

In Turkey, the Turkmen are taking advantage of virus-related unemployment to step up their recruiting. It has never been that large or powerful, but it is connected to similar groups in China.

Unlike the DHS, Russia (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-attempts-to-transfer-jihadists-from-iraq-and-syria-to-russia-official/), which actually has prevented bombings and shut down terrorist cells, is receiving more experienced fighters from Iraq and Syria. The situation can rightly be asserted to affect their national security, to which they have a firm response. Whatever American politicians say is a bunch of silly whining compared to this. Russia is expanding its presence in Hasakah as a direct challenge to Americans. It is only four observation posts, but, they do not need large bases in order to be a significant presence.

The new Iraqi PM is their former spy chief (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-iraqi-pm-vows-to-defend-nations-sovereignty-after-us-deploys-patriot-missiles/) with the support of Shiites and has "national sovereignty", particularly in terms of weapons, as the priority--is not too pleased with a partial American withdrawal followed by the installation of Patriots. Both Iran and the US welcomed al-Khadimi’s nomination, which is perhaps a bit odd, although the State Department's comment makes little sense, more like a nice way of saying "we'll figure out how to tell you what to do".

[Mashika]

I guess this shows a bit more about the true nature of the groups fighting over there, no matter what it's being said "officially"


Syrian militants ‘trained at US base for sabotage & terrorism’ try to surrender & get ambushed by OTHER US-backed extremists
https://www.rt.com/news/485943-syrian-militants-surrender-damascus/

[norman]

. . . Russia is expanding its presence in Hasakah as a direct challenge to Americans. . . .



It could be that they doing it to assist Americans, if we put what we see into a different frame of view.

[shaberon]

. . . Russia is expanding its presence in Hasakah as a direct challenge to Americans. . . .



It could be that they doing it to assist Americans, if we put what we see into a different frame of view.

How would we explain this?

U. S. has broken out of most of Iraq and invigorated Hasakah in addition to Al Tanf where the group just surrendered from. Some portion of the SDF is still loyal but many have switched over. At the moment there is a lack of combat readiness due to disease.

Iraq is corrupt enough to where it probably still has 1/3 American loyalists, but it is unclear how this would be a form of assistance.

[norman]

. . . Russia is expanding its presence in Hasakah as a direct challenge to Americans. . . .



It could be that they doing it to assist Americans, if we put what we see into a different frame of view.

How would we explain this?

U. S. has broken out of most of Iraq and invigorated Hasakah in addition to Al Tanf where the group just surrendered from. Some portion of the SDF is still loyal but many have switched over. At the moment there is a lack of combat readiness due to disease.

Iraq is corrupt enough to where it probably still has 1/3 American loyalists, but it is unclear how this would be a form of assistance.

I'm only adding a kind of 5 miles up view, I have not been following the pieces on the board around there for well over a year.

From miles up, the general feeling I get is that Trump handed over the middle east to Putin a couple of years back, or at least, arranged to undermine the corrupt parts of 'American' operations until some sanity can be returned to the world.

[Mashika]

. . . Russia is expanding its presence in Hasakah as a direct challenge to Americans. . . .



It could be that they doing it to assist Americans, if we put what we see into a different frame of view.

How would we explain this?

U. S. has broken out of most of Iraq and invigorated Hasakah in addition to Al Tanf where the group just surrendered from. Some portion of the SDF is still loyal but many have switched over. At the moment there is a lack of combat readiness due to disease.

Iraq is corrupt enough to where it probably still has 1/3 American loyalists, but it is unclear how this would be a form of assistance.

I'm only adding a kind of 5 miles up view, I have not been following the pieces on the board around there for well over a year.

From miles up, the general feeling I get is that Trump handed over the middle east to Putin a couple of years back, or at least, arranged to undermine the corrupt parts of 'American' operations until some sanity can be returned to the world.


A bit hard to believe he is trying to fix the corruption of "America", since he still supports destroying other countries in Latin America for example while supposedly wanting to stop the issue in the middle east. How can that be unless there's another hidden reason? On the one hand he claims he wants to stop invading and destroying other countries and etc, on the other hand he supports and encourages the destruction of countries such as Venezuela, Cuba and Bolivia among others.

Trump knows people are dying and he doesn't care, sanctions are applied and people die and then he and the other US government people go out there and lie (Pompeo for example) without any shame about the reason those people are dying, and Trump is ok with that so.. ????

I don't believe the US is going out of Syria or the region out of good will or to fix corruption, there's another reason we don't know about, and possibly never will know

[AutumnW]

Thank you Mashika. That was beautifully put! I'm afraid I lose the ability to express myself very well when it comes to his royal Orangeness. Now I don't have to!:bearhug:

[norman]

I haven't heard a non politically angry report about what might be the reasons and targets of the stuff going on in central and south america.

I was shocked, a few days ago to watch that Abby Martin thing. She couldn't have sounded more like an antifa street campagner if she'd tried. There was not one sentence in her report that actually was observational. It was a political rant from start to finish.

[shaberon]

A bit hard to believe he is trying to fix the corruption of "America", since he still supports destroying other countries in Latin America for example while supposedly wanting to stop the issue in the middle east. How can that be unless there's another hidden reason?

I do not believe he would fix much, internally, but the feedback from multiple diplomats and experienced analysts seem to agree that his instincts are not for war. And for instance he said the Department of Defense was too expensive, but couldn't do anything about it. Since American foreign policy does not belong to the president, but to the Council on Foreign Relations, I suspect that would be the main reason.

He may shut down Congress if they do not vote on his nominees, but he will probably never be the top decision maker about the international tentacles.

Turkey is taking shots at Syria and the YPG (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-military-launches-attack-on-syrian-army-ypg-forces-in-northeast-syria/) in Hasakah which is a quite large province where four Russian posts will not take up much space. Turkey is taking a lot more of it.

[Mashika]

A bit hard to believe he is trying to fix the corruption of "America", since he still supports destroying other countries in Latin America for example while supposedly wanting to stop the issue in the middle east. How can that be unless there's another hidden reason?

I do not believe he would fix much, internally, but the feedback from multiple diplomats and experienced analysts seem to agree that his instincts are not for war. And for instance he said the Department of Defense was too expensive, but couldn't do anything about it. Since American foreign policy does not belong to the president, but to the Council on Foreign Relations, I suspect that would be the main reason.

He may shut down Congress if they do not vote on his nominees, but he will probably never be the top decision maker about the international tentacles.

Turkey is taking shots at Syria and the YPG (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-military-launches-attack-on-syrian-army-ypg-forces-in-northeast-syria/) in Hasakah which is a quite large province where four Russian posts will not take up much space. Turkey is taking a lot more of it.

It keeps going, lots of misleading "news" anyways, from all sides. But for certain anything that allows Iran to become a modern country with weapons that can deter advances from other countries is considered "evil" and to cause possible instability, even though we have for a fact that other countries are causing real instability at this time and way back, and no one has complained so far he he


Trump says US will destroy Iranian gunboats harassing US ships
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/trump-tweets-destroy-iranian-gunboats-harassing-ships-200422124226286.html

Must watch closely where the "harassment" is coming from, and if it's real or provoked in the first place, to have a reason to commit to that statement by the US gov

[shaberon]

Trump says US will destroy Iranian gunboats harassing US ships
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/trump-tweets-destroy-iranian-gunboats-harassing-ships-200422124226286.html

Must watch closely where the "harassment" is coming from, and if it's real or provoked in the first place, to have a reason to commit to that statement by the US gov

The Foreign Minister (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990204000682) says that the "harassments" consisted of the U. S. interfering with a sailing vessel twice and being moved out of the way, and then being close to an announced drill zone and being moved out of the way.

“We have ordered our naval units to target any vessel or combat unit of the terrorist US forces who want to threaten the security of our non-combat ships or combat vessels,” he added.

On the ground, they have been shoo'd away by Syrian villagers at least twice.

It looks like there definitely was a harassment, called a warning, go away. I don't think you can legally shoot someone for doing this. I don't think you can sanely shoot someone who can probably roast your whole fleet.

[shaberon]

Southern Yemen around Aden is now under effective control by UAE (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990207000981) in an independent manner. It has shredded power-sharing with the "Hadi government" and is prepared to attack Saudi forces.

Riyadh has not been able to put Hadi back in power in five years.

As much as they would like to contain Tehran and dictate regional influence, nobody is there to grant that wish.

[shaberon]

There are still ongoing missiles from Israel's air force in Lebanon and Golan, and sometimes three or four of them manage to get through and hit something, usually nothing very major.

However--after being stood down by Lebanon and the U. N. at their border wall--they now admit to an incident in south (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/mysterious-raid-on-israeli-military-base-results-in-loss-of-equipment-weapons/) Israel consisting simply of someone breaking into a base and removing equipment.

Their border wall was cut in three places, and another wall was breached to do the heist. Maybe they will get the hint.

[shaberon]

Wall Street Journal (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-to-withdraw-patriot-missiles-from-saudi-arabia-wsj/) was able to squeak out some more anonymous Pentagon stuff that says--after having increased last year--the U. S. presence in Saudi Arabia will likely be reduced:

"According to the newspaper’s sources, the reduction of the American military capabilities in Saudi Arabia is based on assessments that Iran no longer represents a direct threat to the strategic interests of the United States in the region."

This follows shortly on the heels of the thing about shooting those Iranian boats down.

Iran and the U. S. oddly have both mostly approved of several new Iraqi MPs.

There is no shortage of the U. S. starting a new Cold War against Russia in Syria, while using some kind of "ISIS in a washing machine" tactic.

Since Iran can obviously threaten anything in Iraq or around the Gulf, perhaps these sites are no longer so strategically interesting. We will see if they really move away that much stuff. Perhaps they should place it in the water and proceed with Guaido and the Bay of Pigs since it has been found that it does not work to invade Venezuela with a force of 300. Worse, the force was so infiltrated, Venezuela was paying for the training. If they would leave more things in the water, then the Russian Navy would knock it out of the way.

Perhaps it is just a way to force the Saudis to buy a whole lot more weapons, especially anything expensive, unreliable, or from Boeing. Saudis are unskilled enough to lose it in the desert and it could still be removed by the Russian Navy.

[Mashika]

Wall Street Journal (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-to-withdraw-patriot-missiles-from-saudi-arabia-wsj/) was able to squeak out some more anonymous Pentagon stuff that says--after having increased last year--the U. S. presence in Saudi Arabia will likely be reduced:

"According to the newspaper’s sources, the reduction of the American military capabilities in Saudi Arabia is based on assessments that Iran no longer represents a direct threat to the strategic interests of the United States in the region."

This follows shortly on the heels of the thing about shooting those Iranian boats down.

Iran and the U. S. oddly have both mostly approved of several new Iraqi MPs.

There is no shortage of the U. S. starting a new Cold War against Russia in Syria, while using some kind of "ISIS in a washing machine" tactic.

Since Iran can obviously threaten anything in Iraq or around the Gulf, perhaps these sites are no longer so strategically interesting. We will see if they really move away that much stuff. Perhaps they should place it in the water and proceed with Guaido and the Bay of Pigs since it has been found that it does not work to invade Venezuela with a force of 300. Worse, the force was so infiltrated, Venezuela was paying for the training. If they would leave more things in the water, then the Russian Navy would knock it out of the way.

Perhaps it is just a way to force the Saudis to buy a whole lot more weapons, especially anything expensive, unreliable, or from Boeing. Saudis are unskilled enough to lose it in the desert and it could still be removed by the Russian Navy.



and proceed with Guaido and the Bay of Pigs since it has been found that it does not work to invade Venezuela with a force of 300

The US will never achieve their goals in Venezuela LMAO, unless they have Russia's permisions to do so, just as with Cuba way back, and yet they still around

I learned about the Cubans in exile on Florida LMAO, most of them followers and/or directly came from the political parties that were so corrupt they killed lots of people to take their land/money and once they were found out the had to run away to the US and blamed the new government of exactly what the exiled ones did through their corruption and own damaged political parties.

So funny that got erased from real history so far

нет нет мистер трaмп

[shaberon]

I learned about the Cubans in exile on Florida

That place is like a sieve. Cubans and Colombians especially tie themselves into "private interests", i. e., Mitt Romney, etc., and the types of subversive operations sent from there are staggering. I could get ahold of someone that would make Viktor Bout look small. I am pretty sure the recent "invasion of Venezuela" was just a privately launched thing by Colombia and Florida. Not that the actual U. S. politics are any better, no, it will never work. And no, they can't give the true stories, either. We have to live in a special make-believe bubble. That is the only way it works to the extent that it does. But this is what is finally being called out, since now we are not stuck with only one story or a politically twisted one. For example, my grandfather killed one of the prisoners at the Nuremberg trials. I haven't found that in a history book, probably because it would look bad. Killing prisoners violates the conventions that they were about to write.

[shaberon]

Currently, it may be possible the U. S. is going to personally leave Saudi Arabia, but regardless, they have issued tasty new contracts to them for about 650 SLAM ER missiles and 402 Harpoon anti-ship missiles.

As the family travels together, the Harpoon is an old McDonnell Douglas design; the SLAM ER is a newer cruise missile but made by Boeing, directly developed off the Harpoon. It is for "the U. S. and allies", which turn out to be:

Current operators
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
United States

So out of, I don't know, gosh, the U. S. must have thousands and thousands of allies, we can get a pretty clear picture where Boeing cruise missiles are aimed.

Although this is only about a thousand missiles which would presumably be delivered by F-15s, we cannot say these are for defensive purposes. SLAM ER for example has been fired at Iraq three times and at Afghanistan an unknown number, as part of the carpet bombing that hung over those places like a weather system.

Does someone really think in 2028 when they complete their collection, Saudi Arabia will be in a position to attack something with F-15s?

The Harpoon has a longer and more colorful history, having been involved with several accidents, and a few uses in combat proving it can sink something as big as a frigate.

In 1988, an Iranian-owned Harpoon missile was also fired at the guided missile cruiser USS Wainwright. The missile was successfully lured away by chaff.

[shaberon]

The new Iraqi Prime Minister, Mustafa Al-Kazemi, has become the first one to ever wear a Hashd Al Shaabi uniform:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/5ebfe7df42360441671c2236.jpeg.webp



Although this is his paramilitary national guard, the Pentagon and the western press in general cannot refer to it without adding the prefix "Iranian-backed". Well, ideologically, certainly so. Actually, it seems to be the group they automatically blame for any sporadic rocket attack.

This guy is under serious scrutiny to prove himself to the Iraqi people. They have a lot of complaints. As is usual most places, about thirty per cent of them were willing to sell the country for money. So he is in a position where he has to pull off a visible purge.

As to why the U. S. may need to keep its main bases there, and an oil field in Syria which, in global terms, is trivial, one of the commanders described it as "to create a quagmire for Russia". That sounds like a reasonable explanation for their behavior, but, I do not believe it is actually happening. His quagmire is their opportunity.

[shaberon]

It's another from the, I'm not sure what to call him, The Crusader? I am sure he has no tradition that actually took part in a real crusade, so is maybe just a paper tiger version.

On the heels of the thousand offensive missiles for Saudi Arabia, the Secretary of State has gone so far as to call for the dismissal (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-blocked-inspector-from-investigating-weapons-sales-to-saudi-arabia/) of Secretary General Inspector Stephen Linnick, who was investigating $8 billion in arms deals to them. This was being done at the request of Mr. Engel of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He says the Trump administration announced, in 2019, the imposition of a state of emergency in the country specifically to avoid the need to obtain congressional approval of the arms deal, adding that he did not rule out abuses in this matter, including by Pompeo.

It would have been nice if they would have told us which one, but, if we forgot about it, we could go back and look it up.

No one asked me if there was an emergency that could only be handled this way, and so again this is an example of something essentially autocratic.

Meanwhile with the ongoing dispute over "who can sail where" and Mr. Trump suggesting to shoot down those Iranian boats, Israel (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-foiled-massive-israeli-cyberattack-on-port-irna/) attempted to cyberattack an Iranian port and managed to take the main navigation computer offline for a while, although the situation was confronted and fixed fairly quickly. Given the timing of it, one would surmise an attempt to cause a naval provocation.

[Paratrooper]

SCRATCH ONE! Cracked open a case of beer when I heard. Personally, I would have also deployed the MOABs and MOPs, flattened / vaporised all things IRGC-QF from Tehran to the Zagros, sunk the rest of their crappy navy and engaged in some serious destruction of enemy air defences to enable all the above... also arm and support Iran´s long suffering Kurds so they can kill their IRGC oppressors too. HAPPY DAYS! Payback time...

[shaberon]

No you wouldn't. I will stop you.

[shaberon]

At this point there are on-the-ground reports that the U. S. must have drawn down its Patriots (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990307000737) from Saudi Arabia and moved them to Syria. It has been denied, as they also tend to deny some instances of perhaps their soldiers getting a little roughed up.

As for the mess they are in with the Saudis--as we found a little while ago, Pompeo and Trump decided to rid themselves of a certain inspector--this was apparently a Saudi demand (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990307000842) for re-financing Trump's campaign.

Nevertheless, the House will attempt to pursue the investigation some other way, which is about the Saudi arms deal.

On a human rights issue, Iran's Rouhani has called for harsher penalties on honor killings. One just happened, and, under current law, the maximum sentence is ten years. We are talking about a situation where a man feels it is ok to decapitate his own daughter with a sickle while she is sleeping. I don't really know how someone decides this is an important thing to do. So one may observe the effect of his statement on Iranian law. Is there still a fairly popular national trend that will oppose this? How many people is enough of a minority to retain the right to kill their own families? Perhaps they will really crack down and slam you in the cooler for eleven years. Here, I bet you could always plead insanity or at least aggravation and get out of the first degree, or, possibly argue it was your religious freedom and walk. If I can be religiously free to spread a deadly disease, that's about the same, isn't it? If a single American dies from Covid caught at church then we do need to regime change Iran until they remove all penalties from religiously-inspired murder.

I do not really know what the right law is for that kind of thing, but, we see it is hard for people to let go of vengeful motives.

[Mashika]

At this point there are on-the-ground reports that the U. S. must have drawn down its Patriots (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990307000737) from Saudi Arabia and moved them to Syria. It has been denied, as they also tend to deny some instances of perhaps their soldiers getting a little roughed up.

As for the mess they are in with the Saudis--as we found a little while ago, Pompeo and Trump decided to rid themselves of a certain inspector--this was apparently a Saudi demand (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990307000842) for re-financing Trump's campaign.

Nevertheless, the House will attempt to pursue the investigation some other way, which is about the Saudi arms deal.

On a human rights issue, Iran's Rouhani has called for harsher penalties on honor killings. One just happened, and, under current law, the maximum sentence is ten years. We are talking about a situation where a man feels it is ok to decapitate his own daughter with a sickle while she is sleeping. I don't really know how someone decides this is an important thing to do. So one may observe the effect of his statement on Iranian law. Is there still a fairly popular national trend that will oppose this? How many people is enough of a minority to retain the right to kill their own families? Perhaps they will really crack down and slam you in the cooler for eleven years. Here, I bet you could always plead insanity or at least aggravation and get out of the first degree, or, possibly argue it was your religious freedom and walk. If I can be religiously free to spread a deadly disease, that's about the same, isn't it? If a single American dies from Covid caught at church then we do need to regime change Iran until they remove all penalties from religiously-inspired murder.

I do not really know what the right law is for that kind of thing, but, we see it is hard for people to let go of vengeful motives.

Heard that the US army on Syria got hit just yesterday, there were some harmed as well as Kurdish army, no news on the US channels :P I even wonder if the families of those soldiers know their guys got hit hard and are harmed and in hospital

All hidden to the world to save face i guess, and since it didn't make the news, "it didn't happen"

Here's a small report on that, no one is talking about it so far as i have seen, the preview says Lybia but look more into the video and they into Syria :)
Lr0pQ-lYflY

[shaberon]

ANNA is the best source. If they use some English now, we might be able to get better use of it. They have been the most closely embedded since almost the beginning.

It's not like anyone wanted to say anything when the missiles hit Ain Al Assad air base. At first it was nothing, then when it rose to scores of brain injuries, nothing more came from it. They cover up and deny everything. Then proudly parrot these mis-statements as if the rest of the world does not know how instrumental the U. S. S. R. was in defeating the Nazis. From a diplomatic view, it is simply embarrassing.

[shaberon]

There is perhaps a type of mirror image forming.

Russia has reached the triangle Syria-Turkey-Iraq and invested it with something at least platoon strength. This is considered relatively close to U. S. forces. However it means they have made a zone across the country from the coast to the corner.

At the same time, U. S. has moved in Columbia (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/newly-formed-us-force-deploys-to-venezuelan-colombian-border/) to places along Venezuela's border. Of course at least 90% of the narco traffic is really on the Pacific side. This is on the heels of the incursion which was not military but a security firm called Silvercorp. This next one is The 1st Security Force Assistance Brigade, which was formed in 2018 (Fort Benning), and will be conducting their first mission in Latin America. My guess is these are the same that train near here. The ones that ate the neighbor's dog.

According to Iran, Trump has called on his country’s navy to use force against the IRGC if they come within 100 meters of their warships in the Persian Gulf. It seems odd because if Iran was attempting to harm his navy, it wouldn't be by a speedboat approaching a destroyer, which is obviously not an attack, but only a statement of marking one's territory.

[Mashika]

At this point, US just a barking dog, no real power, as has been show. They hid away the casualties once Iran attacked their bases, they ran away from Russia on Syria, they are weak on Iraq, and Venezuela and Cuba.

All they know is scream like little spoiled babies and apply sanctions, which some countries don't even care anymore about. Like a spoiled kid that wont talk to you unless you give him his toys, or his chokolate milk even though his fat and must not drink it anymore

That's all there is to it, a spoiled self entitled little fat brat with nuclear weapons that wants to use them to remind everyone that they can kill you if you don't obey

Bunch of lame fake adult losers. And they claim to be "the land of the free" and talk about democracy while killing hundreds of thousand around the world through their puppet governments and militias, shame of a sham of a shame

Anyways, the world will eventually move on, it has already started, pretty sure the US will cry foul and eventually use one or two bombs in an attempt to gain power back

But when the USSR collapsed, i don't remember reading about they using a couple bombs to remind the states who had the biggest power. It's a matter of principles and morals, which the US has none as far as we can see, from all they have done in the middle east and South America so far. All the evidence is out there now, no point in pretending or twisting reality, for those who like to take they eyes and ears out before listening or watching the truth

Amerika Amerika Amerika, land of indigenous people, who are second hand citizens, and blacks, who are third hand citizens, and Latinx and Asians, who are 4th hand citizens, are there any real Americans in that country? Who are the ones born there? From English parents? British-Americans? I bet they would not like being called that LOL, but they sure like to call every other person based on their parents or where they came from "Mexican American, Asian American, African American, Indian American, Russian American, Italian American" and so on, so by that standard, most of them then, must be "British American", right? The only real Americans are the natives, which are second hand citizens somehow. The entire thing is rotten :P

It's so bad that mostly no one there can open their eyes and see the dumbness of it all

Have to admit i almost cared for a moment, but right now, i could not even begin to say how much i find the entire thing ridiculous, and sad for all the people involved. Someone will have to change those dirty US diapers, i'm truly sorry for who will have to take that job, but it will have to be done at some point, sooner than later i hope :P

So it seems US citizens themselves have been fed up to the point of going out to the streets now, to reject the "government". I know there are fakes helping the cause, but a lot of people really just needed a spark to start the fire, and here they are. Hope this will bring good things for the real Americans, and not the "other"

[shaberon]

The only real Americans are the natives, which are second hand citizens somehow.

Yes, well, it is more or less the same anywhere. Russian Rus = Swedish, and the organization of it into states is due to being overrun by Mongols. Buryats migrated into it as recently as the 1500s and they have a whole state.

Native Americans were constantly at war stealing each others' territory. The only thing that had ever changed it was the Iroquois Confederation which is perhaps rather important.

For some reason, a lot of us are called Caucasian, as if we were Russian. Although when the country was formed, it was half German, which almost became the language.

You are right, everyone is confused, the mission of the CIA was to make sure that nothing that they know is real. My understanding is that Russian culture is the opposite: they never forget anything.

But I am not sure any of the rioters are going to reject the government. They squeal about different ways they say it mis-treats them, but no one has questioned whether it should be there to do that. I would not mind to see the legal end of it, just as the U. S. S. R. was removed, it can be done. I would guess many of the rioters are on food stamps, section eight, social security, and the like, and so in essence are still begging for more of the same government. The worst thing that could possibly happen is for the government to miss a payment to them. That would spread looting from the capitals to everywhere.

The real power of the military is in sending so much money into base towns. It is a vicious cycle whereby civilians are dependent on the army. Without that, the natural resources around here, for example, are mud and sand. Iron gave out in the 19th century. There isn't actually much besides agriculture.

[Mashika]

The only real Americans are the natives, which are second hand citizens somehow.

Yes, well, it is more or less the same anywhere. Russian Rus = Swedish, and the organization of it into states is due to being overrun by Mongols. Buryats migrated into it as recently as the 1500s and they have a whole state.

Native Americans were constantly at war stealing each others' territory. The only thing that had ever changed it was the Iroquois Confederation which is perhaps rather important.

For some reason, a lot of us are called Caucasian, as if we were Russian. Although when the country was formed, it was half German, which almost became the language.

You are right, everyone is confused, the mission of the CIA was to make sure that nothing that they know is real. My understanding is that Russian culture is the opposite: they never forget anything.

But I am not sure any of the rioters are going to reject the government. They squeal about different ways they say it mis-treats them, but no one has questioned whether it should be there to do that. I would not mind to see the legal end of it, just as the U. S. S. R. was removed, it can be done. I would guess many of the rioters are on food stamps, section eight, social security, and the like, and so in essence are still begging for more of the same government. The worst thing that could possibly happen is for the government to miss a payment to them. That would spread looting from the capitals to everywhere.

The real power of the military is in sending so much money into base towns. It is a vicious cycle whereby civilians are dependent on the army. Without that, the natural resources around here, for example, are mud and sand. Iron gave out in the 19th century. There isn't actually much besides agriculture.

So the US is just completely broken, no easy out to fix it now, right?

And you are right, we don't forget, ever, and we carry the weight, and that's why some times i get annoyed when suddenly people in the US forget reality and rewrite their own history to fit they current views. IT is shameful in ways

Every country invaded other or took lands at some point, but refusing to acknowledge or pretending it did not happen or even apologize because the group who was affected are still around but ignored, is not right ?

When Russia send misiles to Cuba, it was butt hurting and crying all over the place, and aggression and stuff, now the US has basically invaded the world with their bases, even though the only time they got attacked was by Japan (a current US ally) in WW2, still it is "defensive" and they are always the victims. I dont see logic, but if we send a plane to Venezuela or Cuba there's sstill more crying about how it is aggression and meddling, even if the country we land on asked for our help

Honestly i get very tired of dealing with that every single day i am around this side of hte world, it's impossible to ignore, just look at this on ATS right now

https://b7.icdn.ru/m/malisa/5/67575165YsI.jpg
https://b7.icdn.ru/m/malisa/6/67575166rEw.jpg

By the way my little sys is commenting on this post, looks like she will get accused of racism or something will be going on. I don't comment anymore on ATS and i won't, i'm pretty sure she can handle herself against people like that, meh
https://b7.icdn.ru/m/malisa/7/67575167jQt.jpg

I find stuff like this every single day, no matter what site i go, and that's sad and dumb, because there was no reason at all to being with

And this, somehow, in Russia, people were cheering for the SpaceX launch and sharing videos and pictures and good comments about how excellent the engineer is on that rocket, but it seems that after the US had been riding Russian rockets to the ISS for almost a decade, now that they have their own arrogance took over for some Americans

I know most people are not like this, but what i'm trying to say is that i live with this every single day, every site i go, every post i watch or try to participate in, and it's really very boring by now, and sad and tiresome

https://b7.icdn.ru/m/malisa/3/67575223GbU.jpg
https://b7.icdn.ru/m/malisa/4/67575224hNr.jpg

I'm sorry, i'm very offtopic now, i'm going to just shut up now, sorry

[shaberon]

Every country invaded other or took lands at some point, but refusing to acknowledge or pretending it did not happen or even apologize because the group who was affected are still around but ignored, is not right ?

...I'm sorry, i'm very offtopic now, i'm going to just shut up now, sorry


No, nothing is really off-topic, because Soleimani was a 9/11 type moment both in terms of who's who in the mid-east, and, eroding the one-sided view of the western propaganda machine.

There are maybe a few exceptions, like if we think of Iceland as a country, but yes, almost all of the bigger ones involve some kind of conquest.

I tend to agree with the World War Two mentality about ending wars, that conquest is a part of history and it is time to settle peacefully--however, in practice, it is like almost all peace treaties. It intentionally carried seeds of something that would lead to future discord. So this so-called peace mentality supported by world government and biased in favor of Israel is just "another one of those", and a blanket term for uni-polar dominance from the U. S.

Around 1776, there was friendship between Russia and the future America, at that time I believe both were aware of a mainly London-based threat of money power which would become Capitalism.

Although the American national anthem is based in the 1812 episode of again driving it out by force, it seems that eventually both of these countries were hooked by the inside by different aspects of British hegemony. In the U. S. it came hidden in the legal system. But towards Russia the 19th century Student Group was spawned from British influence. It had no members over thirty, and most were under twenty-five. They ran the world's first known suicide bombing against the Tsar. From that point, it perhaps is accurate to say that you get a mixed bag that has little to do with Russian nationalism, but is like what is going on in the U. S. now, or in the French Revolution, where a horde of destructive forces rise up, and some of them are simply agents from a foreign source seeking a power shift. At the same time, Russia could legitimately complain of being hit by major invasions from the European continent twice, and then, at least, seeing the elements of invasion put in by America in places all around them.

America has never really been tested, the Confederacy did not sack and burn Union states like happened in the south, and the thing now is still perhaps minor. Although something worse may happen.

Speaking as someone who was raised in this stupid chatterbox, I just no longer look around any sites of news, or, worse, personal opinions, that promote it. Supremacy of any kind is the main problem everywhere. Whether Hindu supremacists in India that are usually ignored, or this uni-polar spiel. That being said, there is definitely a balancing point, like national pride. But this means pride in one's culture, not a political unit. The U. S. cannot claim to be a nation because it is not a culture. In that sense, I am not from the same nation as Mr. Floyd, or any of the protestors, or any of the politicians that I am aware of.

What is doubly bad is the inability to censor that garbage. So the technique is to steal the audience. This is actually difficult to do without making someone feel threatened or averse to you. They might think I was pro-Russia or pro-Iran like I am trying to get them to take over the world, which is not at all the case. I mostly just mean to quit forcing one-sided supremacist policies against them, including things like riots and assassinations. Physically, this would result in quite a bit of a military draw down as well, which again would upset the status quo. In actuality, myself, and at least some of the Germans, have met Russians and found them to be fine people--so, even if it is a minority view, there are at least some who do not believe in racism or borders making enemies of us, regardless of everything that has happened in the past.

If by ATS you mean above top secret, it is something I would no longer want pixels from. Almost all of these things are an outlet for co-intel and always have been.

[Mashika]

Every country invaded other or took lands at some point, but refusing to acknowledge or pretending it did not happen or even apologize because the group who was affected are still around but ignored, is not right ?

...I'm sorry, i'm very offtopic now, i'm going to just shut up now, sorry


No, nothing is really off-topic, because Soleimani was a 9/11 type moment both in terms of who's who in the mid-east, and, eroding the one-sided view of the western propaganda machine.

There are maybe a few exceptions, like if we think of Iceland as a country, but yes, almost all of the bigger ones involve some kind of conquest.

I tend to agree with the World War Two mentality about ending wars, that conquest is a part of history and it is time to settle peacefully--however, in practice, it is like almost all peace treaties. It intentionally carried seeds of something that would lead to future discord. So this so-called peace mentality supported by world government and biased in favor of Israel is just "another one of those", and a blanket term for uni-polar dominance from the U. S.

Around 1776, there was friendship between Russia and the future America, at that time I believe both were aware of a mainly London-based threat of money power which would become Capitalism.

Although the American national anthem is based in the 1812 episode of again driving it out by force, it seems that eventually both of these countries were hooked by the inside by different aspects of British hegemony. In the U. S. it came hidden in the legal system. But towards Russia the 19th century Student Group was spawned from British influence. It had no members over thirty, and most were under twenty-five. They ran the world's first known suicide bombing against the Tsar. From that point, it perhaps is accurate to say that you get a mixed bag that has little to do with Russian nationalism, but is like what is going on in the U. S. now, or in the French Revolution, where a horde of destructive forces rise up, and some of them are simply agents from a foreign source seeking a power shift. At the same time, Russia could legitimately complain of being hit by major invasions from the European continent twice, and then, at least, seeing the elements of invasion put in by America in places all around them.

America has never really been tested, the Confederacy did not sack and burn Union states like happened in the south, and the thing now is still perhaps minor. Although something worse may happen.

Speaking as someone who was raised in this stupid chatterbox, I just no longer look around any sites of news, or, worse, personal opinions, that promote it. Supremacy of any kind is the main problem everywhere. Whether Hindu supremacists in India that are usually ignored, or this uni-polar spiel. That being said, there is definitely a balancing point, like national pride. But this means pride in one's culture, not a political unit. The U. S. cannot claim to be a nation because it is not a culture. In that sense, I am not from the same nation as Mr. Floyd, or any of the protestors, or any of the politicians that I am aware of.

What is doubly bad is the inability to censor that garbage. So the technique is to steal the audience. This is actually difficult to do without making someone feel threatened or averse to you. They might think I was pro-Russia or pro-Iran like I am trying to get them to take over the world, which is not at all the case. I mostly just mean to quit forcing one-sided supremacist policies against them, including things like riots and assassinations. Physically, this would result in quite a bit of a military draw down as well, which again would upset the status quo. In actuality, myself, and at least some of the Germans, have met Russians and found them to be fine people--so, even if it is a minority view, there are at least some who do not believe in racism or borders making enemies of us, regardless of everything that has happened in the past.

If by ATS you mean above top secret, it is something I would no longer want pixels from. Almost all of these things are an outlet for co-intel and always have been.

i had written a post explaining a lot of what i meant, but when i tapped on post it just did not post, then it just disppear, im sorry. i cant type it again

i dont use auto correct right now so i know this is broken english :)

Should had made a copy of my post, it took me tons to write it and got lost

[Mashika]

Every country invaded other or took lands at some point, but refusing to acknowledge or pretending it did not happen or even apologize because the group who was affected are still around but ignored, is not right ?

...I'm sorry, i'm very offtopic now, i'm going to just shut up now, sorry


No, nothing is really off-topic, because Soleimani was a 9/11 type moment both in terms of who's who in the mid-east, and, eroding the one-sided view of the western propaganda machine.

There are maybe a few exceptions, like if we think of Iceland as a country, but yes, almost all of the bigger ones involve some kind of conquest.

I tend to agree with the World War Two mentality about ending wars, that conquest is a part of history and it is time to settle peacefully--however, in practice, it is like almost all peace treaties. It intentionally carried seeds of something that would lead to future discord. So this so-called peace mentality supported by world government and biased in favor of Israel is just "another one of those", and a blanket term for uni-polar dominance from the U. S.

Around 1776, there was friendship between Russia and the future America, at that time I believe both were aware of a mainly London-based threat of money power which would become Capitalism.

Although the American national anthem is based in the 1812 episode of again driving it out by force, it seems that eventually both of these countries were hooked by the inside by different aspects of British hegemony. In the U. S. it came hidden in the legal system. But towards Russia the 19th century Student Group was spawned from British influence. It had no members over thirty, and most were under twenty-five. They ran the world's first known suicide bombing against the Tsar. From that point, it perhaps is accurate to say that you get a mixed bag that has little to do with Russian nationalism, but is like what is going on in the U. S. now, or in the French Revolution, where a horde of destructive forces rise up, and some of them are simply agents from a foreign source seeking a power shift. At the same time, Russia could legitimately complain of being hit by major invasions from the European continent twice, and then, at least, seeing the elements of invasion put in by America in places all around them.

America has never really been tested, the Confederacy did not sack and burn Union states like happened in the south, and the thing now is still perhaps minor. Although something worse may happen.

Speaking as someone who was raised in this stupid chatterbox, I just no longer look around any sites of news, or, worse, personal opinions, that promote it. Supremacy of any kind is the main problem everywhere. Whether Hindu supremacists in India that are usually ignored, or this uni-polar spiel. That being said, there is definitely a balancing point, like national pride. But this means pride in one's culture, not a political unit. The U. S. cannot claim to be a nation because it is not a culture. In that sense, I am not from the same nation as Mr. Floyd, or any of the protestors, or any of the politicians that I am aware of.

What is doubly bad is the inability to censor that garbage. So the technique is to steal the audience. This is actually difficult to do without making someone feel threatened or averse to you. They might think I was pro-Russia or pro-Iran like I am trying to get them to take over the world, which is not at all the case. I mostly just mean to quit forcing one-sided supremacist policies against them, including things like riots and assassinations. Physically, this would result in quite a bit of a military draw down as well, which again would upset the status quo. In actuality, myself, and at least some of the Germans, have met Russians and found them to be fine people--so, even if it is a minority view, there are at least some who do not believe in racism or borders making enemies of us, regardless of everything that has happened in the past.

If by ATS you mean above top secret, it is something I would no longer want pixels from. Almost all of these things are an outlet for co-intel and always have been.

I am so tired right now, would just like to say that i agree with you and if possible let us continue this conversation later on

Something i had said before was, i do truly beliebe you are real American, as my grand father told me. And not arrogant foolish people as i have seen on the web before.

[Mashika]

Every country invaded other or took lands at some point, but refusing to acknowledge or pretending it did not happen or even apologize because the group who was affected are still around but ignored, is not right ?

...I'm sorry, i'm very offtopic now, i'm going to just shut up now, sorry


No, nothing is really off-topic, because Soleimani was a 9/11 type moment both in terms of who's who in the mid-east, and, eroding the one-sided view of the western propaganda machine.

There are maybe a few exceptions, like if we think of Iceland as a country, but yes, almost all of the bigger ones involve some kind of conquest.

I tend to agree with the World War Two mentality about ending wars, that conquest is a part of history and it is time to settle peacefully--however, in practice, it is like almost all peace treaties. It intentionally carried seeds of something that would lead to future discord. So this so-called peace mentality supported by world government and biased in favor of Israel is just "another one of those", and a blanket term for uni-polar dominance from the U. S.

Around 1776, there was friendship between Russia and the future America, at that time I believe both were aware of a mainly London-based threat of money power which would become Capitalism.

Although the American national anthem is based in the 1812 episode of again driving it out by force, it seems that eventually both of these countries were hooked by the inside by different aspects of British hegemony. In the U. S. it came hidden in the legal system. But towards Russia the 19th century Student Group was spawned from British influence. It had no members over thirty, and most were under twenty-five. They ran the world's first known suicide bombing against the Tsar. From that point, it perhaps is accurate to say that you get a mixed bag that has little to do with Russian nationalism, but is like what is going on in the U. S. now, or in the French Revolution, where a horde of destructive forces rise up, and some of them are simply agents from a foreign source seeking a power shift. At the same time, Russia could legitimately complain of being hit by major invasions from the European continent twice, and then, at least, seeing the elements of invasion put in by America in places all around them.

America has never really been tested, the Confederacy did not sack and burn Union states like happened in the south, and the thing now is still perhaps minor. Although something worse may happen.

Speaking as someone who was raised in this stupid chatterbox, I just no longer look around any sites of news, or, worse, personal opinions, that promote it. Supremacy of any kind is the main problem everywhere. Whether Hindu supremacists in India that are usually ignored, or this uni-polar spiel. That being said, there is definitely a balancing point, like national pride. But this means pride in one's culture, not a political unit. The U. S. cannot claim to be a nation because it is not a culture. In that sense, I am not from the same nation as Mr. Floyd, or any of the protestors, or any of the politicians that I am aware of.

What is doubly bad is the inability to censor that garbage. So the technique is to steal the audience. This is actually difficult to do without making someone feel threatened or averse to you. They might think I was pro-Russia or pro-Iran like I am trying to get them to take over the world, which is not at all the case. I mostly just mean to quit forcing one-sided supremacist policies against them, including things like riots and assassinations. Physically, this would result in quite a bit of a military draw down as well, which again would upset the status quo. In actuality, myself, and at least some of the Germans, have met Russians and found them to be fine people--so, even if it is a minority view, there are at least some who do not believe in racism or borders making enemies of us, regardless of everything that has happened in the past.

If by ATS you mean above top secret, it is something I would no longer want pixels from. Almost all of these things are an outlet for co-intel and always have been.

When you spoke about the student group, you meant skhodka? im hating i lost all my post but i guess this was my most important question

[shaberon]

When you spoke about the student group, you meant skhodka? im hating i lost all my post but i guess this was my most important question

I do not know the correct Russian name. This was around 1880 and it was a suicide bombing because bombs were simply too heavy to be thrown. So a guy ran at the Tsar's coach and set the thing off. There was a woman involved as a "signal lady" who wiggled her umbrella or something when the coach came around the corner so the guy would light the fuse. She went on trial and made a bunch of outbursts at the judge about how they were doing it "for the people". So, at the end, he sentenced her to be given to "the people". At that point she screams and cries and begs for her life.

In other words, it was an organized, foreign-backed assault, fueled by sheafs of political theories, which had nothing to do with Russian national interests or its people.

The way I look at my heritage is that so many people were so sick of all the violence in Europe they had to get out. And so in the colonial era, it was easy to do, and they did. We held a revolution against the British government on several key points, and freed several states, which were countries. We did not make a "United States". As this wheel inevitably turned, there was a platform called Anti-Federalist, which would only accept any kind of unifying constitution if the newly-formed central government was relatively weak and limited, and that no one was a subject or citizen of it. It was supposed to be like an office for import tariffs.

So without the violence, we just had generations of peaceful farming, most people could still live off their land, and there was never any massive threat, danger, or corruption going on. For one thing, most farmers hated banks. Bank was the major issue of resistance at least until around 1900 and Wizard of Oz.

Pfft, well, we lost that one, and there was strange money made at the time, like I have seen a piece from Bank of Chicago from 1922 or thereabouts. Above "Federal Reserve Bank", someone took a pen and wrote "Bolshevik". Someone must have been aware about what was going on even in the 1920s. But as we have been driven off the farms and lost our land, the bank has it all, and everyone seems to be happy with what it is doing.

I believe it is just two different tactics in the east and west; whereas Bolshevik issues may perhaps have been more frequently solved at gunpoint, the Democratic one makes your children forget everything and offer themselves voluntarily.

Anyone who says they support the Constitution, which defines Lawful Money, and yet they accept elements of the modern capitalist system, has made a mistake.

No other country that I know of actually has the same freedoms as guaranteed in our Constitution. If I look at Germany, it defines a German as a citizen, i. e. a subject of the government. Then, it makes the German Bank a vassal of the European Central Bank. It appears to be a system of peonage with no choice.

U. S. citizenship is optional. If my parents had not deceived me into it, I could have avoided it. And then it is still possible to remove. Depends on what lengths one is willing to go to over legalisms. If any significant number of people did this, the system, as we know it, would vanish.

I suppose it is not the only way; for instance, a Tsar could fix it. What was wrong with monarchy? People in power might be stupid? He can be stupid in power without running a counterfeit scam that benefits some old money family elsewhere in the world.

There may have been a bit of a trick in Europe about "how good it is to get rid of those old kings" if we see everyone has probably received the equivalent of Germany, which merely serves a different master by replacing a monarch with a bank.

And it is down to just a few, Syria, Iran, N. Korea, and a few others, that have not gotten hooked on this system. Well, it just proves you can carpet bomb a country and kill 30% of their civilians and they still don't need a privatized central bank.

[shaberon]

Iran has placed itself in the odd position of supporting the Turkish Tobruk GNA in Libya.

The other side is supported by Egypt, Italy, Greece, Syria, and Russia.

Iran also states they see some U. S. drawdown from Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of that is showing up in Syria, as, perhaps, the "Russian quagmire" has replaced "Iranian threat". They are speaking of doing the same thing from Japan and Germany.

The German response is more or less correct, that NATO is not a "trade organization", i. e. they don't exactly "pay membership dues" the way Trump is talking about it.

They believe the occupation is necessary for European and U. S. security. The Germans said this. What is more telling is:

"Neither the State Department nor the Pentagon has been able to provide any information about this" Maas noted.

In other words, the State Department is the first thing that comes to his mind to deal with.

How, exactly, the State Department and Germany might have a firm consensus about those security needs in 2020, has something to do, on our side, with it not being an elected body but an appointed one, and, on their side...I don't know. It is their Foreign Minister, which suggests someone voted him in.

[Mashika]

NATO is not a "trade organization, i. e. they don't exactly "pay membership dues" the way Trump is talking about it"


Trump is so unaware of what NATO really does, or why it came to exists in first place

He, as a lot of people, think it's something the world wanted so they would get protection from the US, so he wants payment for this 'protection' while ignoring totally that it's the other way around in the first place. NATO is/was the buffer zone between the Soviet Union and the US, it was meant to be so that Russia would waste all resources fighting every country between them and US, giving the US time enough to build up on resources and go into war in the end, once Russia would be weak

Is not a secret this is how it started, and as said before, even the Soviet Union wanted to join NATO at some point, so naive those guys LOL

Countries are awakening to reality that the US fooled into thinking Russia was a danger so they needed to pay for protection, and open their borders so the US would silently occupy the world "in the name of peace"

Most people in the US are and continue to be unaware of what really happened

[Mashika]

Earlier this Saturday, the US attempted to provoke Russian forces into a fight, even bumping one of the Russian APCs when they did not get the reaction they wished for

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43828&d=1592724334

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43829&d=1592724620

So now it has gotten into "if you don't react, i'm going to crash into your vehicle so that you get angry and give us what we need to start a fight"

Yuusssss sir, but it ended in nothing, too bad for the US, again.


Sorry for the terrible quality, those are the best pics, bad camera phone i guess :Avalon::thumbsup::cash:

[shaberon]

He, as a lot of people, think it's something the world wanted so they would get protection from the US, so he wants payment for this 'protection' while ignoring totally that it's the other way around in the first place. NATO is/was the buffer zone between the Soviet Union and the US, it was meant to be so that Russia would waste all resources fighting every country between them and US, giving the US time enough to build up on resources and go into war in the end, once Russia would be weak


As in many of the old wars, intelligence was so bad, it was often wrong.

America got doubly-deluded by using the former German spies. They had the advantage of being nestled all over Europe, and, the disadvantage of being motivated to deliberately mislead.

Nuking Japan was a lie, it was all about scaring the Soviets with eminent nuclear threat.

But the U. S. was in no way able to mount a Hitler-esque rerun of an invasion or war, much as the U. S. S. R. was not really about to take over the world. Both sides honestly believed in these things. I guess some Germans believe they are still about to be taken over. Or, they just can't defend themselves. Either way, they like being occupied, and being nothing but a farm for the European Central Bank. One might expect some kind of nationalistic movement to arise there, and kick out the foreign dominance, possibly removing most of their elected politicians. Or, maybe we can get the pope to come out and spontaneously crown someone Holy Roman Emperor. They can do that, you know. And when it happens, it happens by surprise.




Syria has received a few upgraded Mig-29s, which are believed effective to get rid of an F-16.

Egypt has been asleep almost all my life. However, recent studies rank its military above Israel, Iran, or Turkey. Part of the reason is they have sourced hardware from the U. S., Russia, Germany, and Italy, in other words, they have been smart shoppers, instead of relying on only one kind. The eyes may be on the Libyan unrest, but, is an obvious message to Israel.

[Mashika]

I find very odd how Egypt is just sitting there, all silent and being ignored by most every other country on the region, it's like they just waiting for all others to kill themselves then just take over or some sort of similar approach to the issue in the middle east

True they must have a great army, who just passes as a small one due to not being on the eyes of everyone. I even wonder what they have there, that they may be hiding away by not being "in the news"

[shaberon]

it's like they just waiting for all others to kill themselves then just take over or some sort of similar approach to the issue in the middle east




Yes, a bit of a sleeping Bear, isn't it?

Here, they were a big deal until the Camp David accords ca. 1979, and then, the assassination of Anwar Sadat is the only time I can remember from all of public school when there was an announcement and a moment of silence. And then we never hear of them again.

One thing they have done is gotten the main American combat helicopter, Apache, and also the main Russian one, Warthog or Alligator, can't remember which. They stress-tested these and found that they are awesome in their respective roles. It just happens to be the Apache is specific and limited, and the Russian is more broad-based. So then they correspondingly built the Air Force with a low ratio of Apaches, since there is less call for them, but if needed, they have it.

I think they have also gone heavily into submarines.

Turkey is also invading northern Iraq. However at sea they are opposed by Cyprus, Greece, Italy, and Egypt, and since Egypt borders Libya, they are being awakened at least minorly. Athens told the Turks that one minor incident will have very wide repercussions, it sounds like they are just waiting for an excuse. Very belligerent terms coming from there.

Egypt's total population is over 100 million, bigger than Turkey or Iran, both around 80 million. More manpower and the highest-rated fire power in the region and something like 9th in the world, shortly behind the so-called superpowers.

The weakness of it may be no internal production. If they piss off the Germans, they won't get German parts. The U. S. does this to itself, by issuing sanctions, then it actually loses suppliers for its own military parts. Since Egypt has a hand in several pots, that constrains what it can do. It has usually been the second largest recipient of U. S. military aid, after Israel. So it actually "needs" America, at least financially, even if it is closer to Russia, politically.

It has had too many opposing factions, Muslim Brotherhood, Shia, and so on, which has also prevented it from coming to any unifying consensus.

What is going to happen, is, the all-important Suez Canal will eventually be shipping to the Chinese-built Port Piraeus in Greece, and therefor Rotterdam will fall out of relevance. Piraeus is obviously much closer, and the facility will be about five times as big. That is "almost everything" in terms of geo-politics. Wahhabism &c. was spurred by the British for the purposes of opening Suez, and, all that hard work is about to be discarded, when the new destination is less British-friendly.

[shaberon]

The visit of the new Quds Commander (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/quds-force-commanders-visit-to-syria-indicates-new-escalation-is-coming-against-us-forces-expert/) to Syria is believed to foreshadow an escalation against U. S. forces. The Israeli Air Force seems to have chased him with bombing raids at Deir Ezzur and Abu Kamal (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-airstrikes-reported-in-eastern-syria-after-iranian-commander-visits/).

Although some of it was repelled, there was material damage and casualties. Israel sounds like it is barking louder and louder. Who knows what they will really do. Probably not the right thing like create a non-apartheid state.

[shaberon]

Russia withdrew from the U. N. clearinghouse (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-withdraws-from-un-mechanism-on-exchanging-information-in-syria-us-shocked/) on Syrian humanitarian missions, disputing it as misinformation giving cover to terrorists.

Commenting on the Russian withdrawal from the UN mechanism, the U.S. permanent representative to the United Nations, Kelly Craft, said the United States was “shocked” by the Russian decision.

Iran is going after not just Trump, but, thirty-six (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990409000665) war criminals involved in the assassination. I suppose they have some kind of gentleman's handshake with Turkey since both nations oppose PKK. Egypt is telling Turkey to back down because they have allies inside Turkey that can "reach Ankara".



Meanwhile China has prototyped a Gauss Rifle (https://www.rt.com/news/493238-china-coilgun-prototype-video/).

Shooting through steel plates:

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/l/5ef9e9752030275a25477bc9.jpg

[Mashika]

The visit of the new Quds Commander (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/quds-force-commanders-visit-to-syria-indicates-new-escalation-is-coming-against-us-forces-expert/) to Syria is believed to foreshadow an escalation against U. S. forces. The Israeli Air Force seems to have chased him with bombing raids at Deir Ezzur and Abu Kamal (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-airstrikes-reported-in-eastern-syria-after-iranian-commander-visits/).

Although some of it was repelled, there was material damage and casualties. Israel sounds like it is barking louder and louder. Who knows what they will really do. Probably not the right thing like create a non-apartheid state.

It does seem to lead to that, as just yesterday the Syrian army stopped some US army trucks, insulted them and forced them to go back to their base, while following them to ensure they would go to their base and not find another route to work around the Syrian army points. It worked so far, it looks like the US is not being respected anymore

Unfortunately can't find an English version of this (As if any American or western channel would post this :P ) but if you use Chrome you may right click on an empty space and chose translate to English, it won't give subtitles but at least translates the description text and comments, which gives a good idea of what happened
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ETA:Wrong video, can't find the real one that has all the situation recorded, will update as soon as i find it again :/ Truly sorry for the confusion

Had the full video before, however seems i lost the url :/

Here's a link to the story in written form, hopefully will help :o
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Frusvesna.su%2Fnews%2F1593715693

[shaberon]

Yes. U. S. is pushing back with some of its own "get off the road" harassment, and apparently setting up an airbase in eastern Syria.

Israel is "just going to annex the West Bank".

The Idlib campaign is started, which Syria considers its final phase against so-called terrorists, which will be the transition for them to place more and more resources against state actors. Armed aggression is more of a problem with Turkey right now, which also has somewhat of a position in the "three corners" area by having forces in Iraq.

[shaberon]

This is a bit bizarre.

Israel has anounced a new intelligence unit called 9900 (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-introduces-new-military-intelligence-unit/).

However this thing was already the target years ago at the one Israeli site Syria fired on. This report said their systems were knocked out of service and they took a few hits and evacuated.

I guess we knew they had this and it is not all that tough?

[Mashika]

Israel is "just going to annex the West Bank".


If that happens, i can only say that it will bring terrible suffering to tons and tons of people. Very bad stuff going on with that, it's bizarre indeed :/

[silvanelf]

Lol ... if you have military equipment from both sides (US and Russia), then you can perform some interesting tests.


Turkey is testing its the S-400 air defense system obtained from Russia by detecting and tracking US F-35 and F-22 fighter jets, according to media reports circulating online.

Over the past few days, Turkish and Russian pedia outlets have repeatedly speculated that the S-400 system deployed at Murted Air Base on outskirts of Turkish capital of Ankara.

In 2019, Turkey used its Air Force F-16 jets to test the S-400 and the system demonstrated high capabilities. In 2020, as tensions between the US and Turkey, as well as between Turkey and other NATO members were growing, Ankara allegedly used the S-400 to track US warplanes operating in the region.

https://southfront.org/turkey-tests-its-s-400-system-by-tracking-us-f-35-and-f-22-jets-operating-in-middle-east/

[shaberon]

Lol ... if you have military equipment from both sides (US and Russia), then you can perform some interesting tests.



Seems to be the case. As far as I know, this tactic is also used by Egypt and India. Not many can get themselves in a position where they are able to do this.

[Mashika]

Lol ... if you have military equipment from both sides (US and Russia), then you can perform some interesting tests.


Turkey is testing its the S-400 air defense system obtained from Russia by detecting and tracking US F-35 and F-22 fighter jets, according to media reports circulating online.

Over the past few days, Turkish and Russian pedia outlets have repeatedly speculated that the S-400 system deployed at Murted Air Base on outskirts of Turkish capital of Ankara.

In 2019, Turkey used its Air Force F-16 jets to test the S-400 and the system demonstrated high capabilities. In 2020, as tensions between the US and Turkey, as well as between Turkey and other NATO members were growing, Ankara allegedly used the S-400 to track US warplanes operating in the region.

https://southfront.org/turkey-tests-its-s-400-system-by-tracking-us-f-35-and-f-22-jets-operating-in-middle-east/

Most of the Russian and US armament sold to other countries are "E" versions. They lack the capabilities of the real thing, they look the same but are way lesses versions of the real thing. That and other thing is that in some cases contracts forbid the buyer to show or do some things without specific permission, and for this there is also some clauses where the buyer doesn't have full control over the tech they got

That's why the US is trying very hard to get an S-400 system from Turkey.

After tons of years they are wishing to get one of those, but is not that simple so far

Same for Russia, or China

"E" versions of the machines, allow you to use them but not to understand how they work internally, so you can't replicate them unless you take them apart entirely and back engineer. Which would be a problem because the seller would know immediately

[Mashika]

Things getting out of control in Syria now, direct confrontation between US and Russian army forces, it's not just the other countries but now it is a direct face to face

Video:
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Russian soldier asked
"This is the land of the Syria Arab Republic. Russian Armed Forces were invited here by president Bashar al-Assad. Who invited you US forces here?"

News article
https://rusvesna.su/news/1595013487

English translation here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Frusvesna.su%2Fnews%2F1595013487

Doesn't look good now, it grows into hard confrontations day by day :/

[shaberon]

According to Al Masdar (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/we-are-here-at-the-invitation-of-assad-why-are-you-here-russian-soldiers-confront-us-military-in-syria-video/), the Russians chased an American patrol, caught it, surrounded it, told them to stay away and go back to their generals and say get the hell out.

If we look at who the civilians attack with stones and small arms, it isn't the Russians.

No background (http://sana.sy/en/?p=197668) to this yet, but:

Israeli Occupation forces arrested Adnan Ghaith, Jerusalem Governor.

http://sana.sy/en/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/12-69-660x330-1.jpg



Turkey is offering weapons to the Azeris (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-offers-its-weapons-arsenal-to-azerbaijan-to-fight-armenia/).

I have to repeat that for several years now, American commanders' assessment of their forces is that in a hot conflict with Russia, the expectancy for the American troops is:

instant annihilation.

The whole country of Israel could perhaps last a little longer, but, think of how fragile it is. They don't want any kind of civilian toll, not even a displacement. Yet they think that taking Jerusalem and West Bank will go smoothly thanks to U. S. complicity.

[shaberon]

Israel is getting a bit more frequent with attacking Syria. Some of it is damaging.

Russia hasn't made any noise about it, but, the independent air traffic monitor Avia reported (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-jets-deployed-to-southern-syria-to-stop-israeli-attack-media/):


“Despite claims that Russia may not have control over the airspace over the region, it turned out that a few minutes before the IDF strike, Russia had lifted its military aircraft from the Khmeimim airbase, which allegedly took off in a southeast direction,” the publication began, pointing out “the rise of Russian aviation assets was recorded at 21 hours 47 minutes, while Israel launched an attack at 21 hours 48 minutes.”

“Given the distance from Khmeimim airbase to Damascus, Russian aircraft could have covered it in a matter of minutes, but analysts believe that Russia rather prevented the IDF from continuing its strikes as the attack was carried out from airspace controlled by the Israeli military.”

[shaberon]

This has all been rather quiet lately, perhaps from another American drawdown in Iraq.

Unfortunately the insightful journalist Andre Vitchek (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55623.htm) has passed away in suspicious circumstances in Turkey. He was taking a taxi ride with his wife, who thought he was asleep, but it turned out he was just dead.

Sometimes that happens naturally, but it sounds a bit off.

[Mashika]

This has all been rather quiet lately, perhaps from another American drawdown in Iraq.

Unfortunately the insightful journalist Andre Vitchek (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55623.htm) has passed away in suspicious circumstances in Turkey. He was taking a taxi ride with his wife, who thought he was asleep, but it turned out he was just dead.

Sometimes that happens naturally, but it sounds a bit off.

Just a few days ago i read a post from a person in Damascus, he was talking about news that an Irarian oil tanker was hit by the US, and it had a picture on it of a tanker and lots of smoke, but after i went looking for more info, the entire post had been removed. Perhaps it was a mistake and he removed it, perhaps it was not? I could not find anything and asking about it basically got me ignored by the guy. I don't know what to think of it

Most likely it was fake news he assumed to be true, but casually, next day or two i watched on a Colombian channel that a tanker was sinking on the Venezuelan borders, and that it had tons of oil on it and a ship was going to be sent to retrieve the oil before it could spill into the ocean

Could these two events be the same? Nowhere on that video i watched, they mentioned why the tanker was sinking in the first place, so it makes me wonder

Very confusing news lately

[Sue (Ayt)]

Just a few days ago i read a post from a person in Damascus, he was talking about news that an Irarian oil tanker was hit by the US, and it had a picture on it of a tanker and lots of smoke, but after i went looking for more info, the entire post had been removed. Perhaps it was a mistake and he removed it, perhaps it was not? I could not find anything and asking about it basically got me ignored by the guy. I don't know what to think of it

Most likely it was fake news he assumed to be true, but casually, next day or two i watched on a Colombian channel that a tanker was sinking on the Venezuelan borders, and that it had tons of oil on it and a ship was going to be sent to retrieve the oil before it could spill into the ocean

Could these two events be the same? Nowhere on that video i watched, they mentioned why the tanker was sinking in the first place, so it makes me wonder

Very confusing news lately

That does sound a bit fishy.
I did a news search and found this article from Oct. 9.here (https://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-oil-iran-idUSL1N2H00PC).
(A snip is quoted below.)
It does make me wonder if something is up.


Many oil tankers have changed their names and even their managing companies after visiting Venezuelan ports this year to avoid U.S. sanctions, according to public shipping registries and Refinitiv Eikon data.

The United States has sanctioned PDVSA as part of a series of measures to try to oust Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. It has imposed sanctions on Iran’s oil industry to try to thwart the country’s nuclear program.

Washington took no action to disrupt Master Honey’s voyage, or a separate flotilla of three Iranian tankers that brought fuel to gasoline-starved Venezuela last week.

[Mashika]

Just a few days ago i read a post from a person in Damascus, he was talking about news that an Irarian oil tanker was hit by the US, and it had a picture on it of a tanker and lots of smoke, but after i went looking for more info, the entire post had been removed. Perhaps it was a mistake and he removed it, perhaps it was not? I could not find anything and asking about it basically got me ignored by the guy. I don't know what to think of it

Most likely it was fake news he assumed to be true, but casually, next day or two i watched on a Colombian channel that a tanker was sinking on the Venezuelan borders, and that it had tons of oil on it and a ship was going to be sent to retrieve the oil before it could spill into the ocean

Could these two events be the same? Nowhere on that video i watched, they mentioned why the tanker was sinking in the first place, so it makes me wonder

Very confusing news lately

That does sound a bit fishy.
I did a news search and found this article from Oct. 9.here (https://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-oil-iran-idUSL1N2H00PC).
(A snip is quoted below.)
It does make me wonder if something is up.


Many oil tankers have changed their names and even their managing companies after visiting Venezuelan ports this year to avoid U.S. sanctions, according to public shipping registries and Refinitiv Eikon data.

The United States has sanctioned PDVSA as part of a series of measures to try to oust Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. It has imposed sanctions on Iran’s oil industry to try to thwart the country’s nuclear program.

Washington took no action to disrupt Master Honey’s voyage, or a separate flotilla of three Iranian tankers that brought fuel to gasoline-starved Venezuela last week.



Seems like terrible retribution, in the hands of Iran, has already started in the way they find more close

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I don't have words. I know how terrible that feeling is, but this is way too close in other ways. I'm so sorry for those people