The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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Get your sunshine folks!

[Sue (Ayt)]

The newest article by Stephen Harrod Buhner (bottom right, on coronavirus) is useful both in understanding the viral process, and herbal protocols. Might be wise to download it.
Stephen Harrod Buhner Articles
(https://www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/articles/)

[onawah]

I shared it here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-COVID-19&p=1339770&viewfull=1#post1339770 and embedded the video from youtube. (Dr. Mercola has a youtube channel too.)

Dr. Francis A. Boyle (a bio terrorism expert) discusses the origins of coronavirus. I hope this hasn't already been shared - I checked and didn't find it. This isn't a youtube video so hope that's not an issue when sharing this.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/08/dr-francis-boyle-bioterrorism.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200308Z1&et_cid=DM478049&et_rid=825592323&fbclid=IwAR1DDTEXyCZmohS7ejO7hdSxmqHAo5e0nmpP97QyHoy89tahQT5pMckHUQU

[onawah]

Vimeo censors my interview, in which Catherine Austin Fitts and I discuss coronavirus and vaccines
by Jon Rappoport
March 9, 2020
Vimeo also removed another Fitts interview with a distinguished attorney, on the subject of mandated vaccines
They’re meddling with you, and deciding for you
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/09/vimeo-censors-my-interview-in-which-catherine-austin-fitts-and-i-discuss-coronavirus-and-vaccines/

"To boil it down: a video was posted, then it was censored. Removed. Deleted. By Vimeo. On March 4. Bang.

Why? Because you’re not supposed to know what was discussed in the video.

It might give you a wrong idea.

You might infer something you shouldn’t. You can’t handle making up your own mind. You have to feed at the official and approved public trough for truth. Truth is defined for you by those in charge of Knowing. You’re a pawn who must be controlled, for your own good. That’s why Vimeo took down the video.

Vimeo might not understand all that. From what I’m told, programmed robots don’t work from understanding; they just follow orders.

A couple of weeks back, Catherine Austin Fitts and I did one of her wide-ranging Solari Reports. We discussed the coronavirus situation and vaccines. I was ever-polite, as usual. You know me. I avoid stepping on toes at all costs. Before an interview, I always take two Thorazine and meditate on the magnificence of Globalism and Oneness in the everlasting corporatization of planet Earth. Yet somehow, someone at Vimeo took umbrage.

Catherine Austin Fitts, describes her enterprise: “Solari Report is an independent intelligence network whose goal is to support its subscribers and readers in living a free and inspired life.”

Might this be problematic in the eyes of Vimeo? What did she say? Independent? Free and inspired? Hmm. What about conforming? What about saluting the great cheese glob of lowest common denominator?

I asked Catherine for her reaction when she received the notice, on March 4, that the video was taken down. I quote her directly:

“FLABBERGASTED adjective flab• ber• gast• ed | \ˈfla-bər-ˌga-stəd \Definition of flabbergasted: feeling or showing intense shock, surprise, or wonder: utterly astonished flabbergast [flab-er-gast] verb (used with object) to overcome with surprise and bewilderment; astound. First Known Use of flabbergasted 1773, in the meaning defined above.”

Actually, on March 4, Vimeo took down two Solari videos. The other one was Catherine’s interview about mandated vaccines, with Mary Holland. Who? “Who is THAT person coming forward and telling us about vaccines, when we haven’t seen her face, at least several times, on the CBS Evening News? Does she at least work for the government?”

“Children’s Health Defense (CHD) is pleased to announce that Mary S. Holland has become its full-time General Counsel. Holland will continue to serve as CHD Vice Chair of the Board of Directors.”

“Holland has fought long and hard in the vaccination choice and safety movement. In the last fifteen years, she has co-written and edited two books, Vaccine Epidemic and The HPV Vaccine on Trial, and co-founded two non-profits, the Elizabeth Birt Center for Autism Law and Advocacy and the Center for Personal Rights. In addition, she has published seminal legal articles on critical dimensions of vaccine law and policy: constitutionality; herd immunity; liability for injury; and the connection between vaccines and autism.”

“On behalf of many organizations, she submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court in Bruesewitz v. Wyeth, a case about manufacturer liability, and to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Cedillo v. HHS about vaccine-induced autism…”

Obviously, Vimeo knows what they’re doing. They must protect you from learning what this Mary Holland (or anyone else) might put in your head. Right? Of course. Vimeo is looking out for your welfare day and night.

Here is a brief except from Mary Holland’s Solari Report: “All you have to do is look up a [vaccine] product on the internet. Look up an insert [package] for the polio vaccine or the diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis. There are 50 different [adverse effect] medical conditions, typically including death, that are listed on the product insert. So the propaganda rolls on, ‘Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective,’ but when you look for evidence of this, it’s just not true.”

“All you have to do is look at what the manufacturers say to insure that they continue to be liability-free. We should talk about that. They list the things that people report to them are adverse events after vaccination with this vaccine.”

“They [the manufacturers] go to great lengths to say, ‘This [adverse event] isn’t proven,’ and, ‘We never go back and test,’ and, ‘This is a sample size of unknown numbers,’ but these are reported adverse events from this vaccine. I don’t know how you can say that somebody shouldn’t have the right to say, ‘No, I’ll take my risks. I would really rather get the mumps than die’.”

Can you handle reading those words from Mary Holland? Can you make up your mind whether you agree or disagree? If you’re not sure, can you file the information away in a “maybe” compartment? Was there a need to have Vimeo decide to wall you off from what Mary Holland said?

“Yes, but you see, Jon, there are so many suggestible people out there who can’t make up their own minds. They must be protected.”

Really? Protected from exactly what? And by whom? A Central Committee issuing daily rulings? We are now a society in which free speech only exists in the shadow cast by persons who are unable to think?

I’ll tell you this. If I were the CEO of a huge vaccine manufacturer, or a top executive at the CDC (a front for vaccine companies); and if were very worried about what the public might discover re mind-boggling vaccine dangers, I’d award Vimeo a medal for censoring unofficial sources. I’d be pouring out praise for their efforts. And quietly, I’d think, wow, they’re basically operating like a PR agency for me.

As for what I said in my interview with Catherine in our Solari Report conversation, I don’t need to pick out an excerpt. You can access any of my articles on the “coronavirus crisis” (archive here) and find the essence and details of my position. Is there a reason for censorship there? Apparently, many readers don’t think so.

When Vimeo removed the interviews Catherine did with Mary Holland and me, they sent out their usual notice about taking down potentially harmful content, and so on. Then there was a follow-up, to Catherine, on March 5. Here it is:

Jason R. (Vimeo Trust & Safety)

Mar 5, 4:44 PM EST

Hi there,

My name is Jason and I manage Vimeo’s Trust and Safety team.

Your videos were removed for violating Vimeo’s Terms of Service (https://vimeo.com/terms) and Community Guidelines (https://vimeo.com/help/guidelines).

Specifically, Vimeo does not allow videos that falsely claim that mass tragedies are hoaxes, or perpetuate false or misleading claims about vaccine safety.

After looking into your account, it actually looks like there are a number of other violations. You should be sure to review our terms thoroughly and remove any content that does not comply.

Please do not re-upload this content as it may result in full account removal.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
Jason R.
Trust & Safety Manager

I guess they don’t have last names over at Vimeo.

As for “describing mass tragedies as hoaxes,” and “making misleading claims about vaccine safety,” Jason R ought to think about who defines “hoax” and “misleading.” God? Exceptional humans gifted, somehow, with supreme authority? Or little droids following orders from the office upstairs.

Here are links to Mary Holland’s and my Solari Report video excerpts:

“Special Solari Report: Vaccine Mandates with Mary Holland, J.D.”

“Coronavirus, Epidemics, and Vaccine Terrorism with Jon Rappoport”

And remember: censorship is a gift that must be cherished. We’re all in this together. The more we stifle free speech and help destroy the 1st Amendment, the closer we come to the perfect society. Someday, we will all agree on whatever there is to agree on. Which is everything. Let us praise the Vimeo States of America and its thought-police allies from nations all over the world.

And while we’re at it, let us recall Medical Big Brother’s stirring words engraved on the Statue of Liberty: “Give us your huddled masses, yearning to be vaccinated.”

Thank you, Vimeo. Here’s your new cutting edge slogan:

PRESS KEY, DELETE CONTENT."

[Bill Ryan]

Oil prices (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/08/investing/oil-prices-crash-opec-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html) have gone right off a cliff today. Watch out for the Dow Jones to follow. We might see some extraordinary things happening in the markets, with no end in sight.

Sure enough, the Dow fell 2000 today, a points record. It was the worst global day's trading since 2008.

All of Italy is now in lockdown (supposedly!), but flights are still leaving Milan for the UK with no screening on arrival.

In his today's update, Dr John Campbell, with 40 years in healthcare first as a nurse and then a nurse teacher, is visibly exasperated — as well he might be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SZBuHFzYlw
Some of the comments are well worth reading, as they always are under Chris Martenson's videos too. Many viewers report their own experiences, showing human naivete or incompetence at its finest. Meanwhile, some official statements, reactions and inactions almost stretch one's belief.

(Btw, CNN today formally announced they're now calling this a pandemic despite the WHO's intransigence, and explained why (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/09/health/coronavirus-pandemic-gupta/index.html).)

Last night I re-watched the inspired, subtly hilarious 2015 movie The Big Short, about the 2008 banking crisis and the true story of how a small group of maverick traders clearly saw what was sure to happen — and no-one would listen. This situation is similar.

My favorite comment for today: :)
Common Symptoms for Covid19: Fever, Dry Cough, Chest Pain, and Sudden Urge to Travel the World.

[justntime2learn]

Coronavirus:New Data Itroduces (Some) Hope

Premiering now live by Peak Prosperity:

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[DaveToo]

Update Sunday evening: Italy 366 died, thats an 57% increase compared to yesterday.
But also good news: 622 people confirmed cured today.With Italy, this may be the problem.

There are 988 'closed' or 'completed' cases in Italy. All the rest are still 'active': i.e. they're still sick, severely or otherwise.

In other words, 988 have either fully recovered or died. But 366 have died. That's a CFR (case fatality rate) of 37%.

Bill from my research I have a different take and different numbers.

First of all, as of today I see numbers of deaths at 463 for Italy.
I also see that the CFR (case fatality rate) ratio is calculated by dividing the total number of deaths by the total number of diagnosed cases.
For Italy those two numbers would be:
463/9172 = 5%

Please check this link for the numbers, and make corrections if you get updates...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countries-where-coronavirus-has-spread/

[Tangri]

World need to have independent laboratories contrary to CDCs', for current and future events.

If there are 100 virology academicians, 95 of them dreaming or planning luscious retirement. 5 of them can not talk publicly, because of the fear of being lynched by 95.

By that assumption most of the numbers are meanless, such as new foundland's chestna plane crash findings. ( Post#313)http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-COVID-19&p=1334049&viewfull=1#post1334049

[Delight]

I read that a Georgia state park is being prepared for people who have "been exposed" to Coronavirus.


Portion of Ga. state park being prepared for COVID-19 patient isolation (https://www.wtoc.com/2020/03/09/portion-ga-state-park-being-prepared-covid-patient-isolation/)
Portion of Ga. state park being prepared for COVID-19 patient isolation
A state park in Morgan County, Ga. has been identified as a location to monitor and isolate coronavirus patients if needed.

Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced that Hard Labor Creek State Park will be used to monitor patients who may have been exposed to COVID-19. According to the governor’s office, no patients are scheduled to be transferred there right now.

No social distancing here

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[justntime2learn]

Please accept my apology for not giving a description prior to posting the video. it was just released and I got a little too excited, but I'm working on that.

Just released:

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[TrumanCash]

ZEROHEDGE: Scientists Warn About Dangerous "Tipping Point" Where Covid-19 Goes From Mild To Deadly (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/scientists-warn-about-dangerous-tipping-point-where-covid-19-goes-mild-deadly)

Patients in these life-threatening situations typically suffer from respiratory and other vital system failures, according to the report by a team of WHO researchers delivered last month. Sometimes, sufferers can even experience sceptic shock.

Since roughly 10-15% of mild-to-moderate patients progress to this next severe state, it's important for hospitals and doctors to understand which patients are at highest risk of a worsening infection so they can factor this into their risk assessments and direct resources and attention accordingly. Because of these 10-15%, 15% to 20% of that group may progress to critically severe infection stage requiring the highest level of attention and care to save a life.

Patients at highest risk include people at age 60 and older and those with pre-existing conditions such as hypertension, diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

This type of triage should at least be familiar to most doctors since it resembles the infection profile of the seasonal flu, albiet with more patients progressing to the final most critical stage, said Jeffery K. Taubenberger.

When everything goes well, white blood cells attack the virus and lock the infection down within a few days.

Infection generally starts in the nose. Once inside the body, the coronavirus invades the epithelial cells that line and protect the respiratory tract, said Taubenberger, who heads the viral pathogenesis and evolution section of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland. If it’s contained in the upper airway, it usually results in a less severe disease.

But if the virus treks down the windpipe to the peripheral branches of the respiratory tree and lung tissue, it can trigger a more severe phase of the disease. That’s due to the pneumonia-causing damage inflicted directly by the virus plus secondary damage caused by the body’s immune response to the infection.

"Your body is immediately trying to repair the damage in the lung as soon as it’s happening," Taubenberger said. Various white blood cells that consume pathogens and help heal damaged tissue act as first-responders. "Normally, if this goes well, you can clear up your infection in just a few days."

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But if this doesn't happen, if the virus persists, and continues to attack the tissue of the nose and throat, at some point, it will become more difficult for the body to fight off a secondary bacterial infection. Such secondary bacterial infections are particularly dangerous because they can damage the stem cells in the lungs, basically making it impossible for a patient's lungs to heal.

Secondary bacterial infections represent an especially pernicious threat because they can kill critical respiratory tract stem cells that enable tissue to rejuvenate. Without them, "you just can’t physically repair your lungs," Taubenberger said. Damaged lungs can starve vital organs of oxygen, impairing the kidneys, liver, brain and heart.

"When you get a bad, overwhelming infection, everything starts to fall apart in a cascade,” said David Morens, senior scientific adviser to the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "You pass the tipping point where everything is going downhill and, at some point, you can’t get it back."

That tipping point probably also occurs earlier in older people, as it does in experiments with older mice, said Stanley Perlman, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, who has studied coronaviruses for 38 years.

But this isn't the only way things can go wrong. Even healthy younger adults have succumbed to the virus, including Dr. Li Wenliang, the 34-year-old ophthalmologist who was one of the first to warn about the coronavirus in Wuhan. He died after receiving antibodies, antivirals, antibiotics, oxygen and having his blood pumped through an artificial lung. Scientists have theorized that some people have more of the distinctly shaped protein receptors in their respiratory epithelial cells that the virus targets.

[ExomatrixTV]

Leftist Coronavirus Lies DEBUNKED | Louder with Crowder
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[T Smith]

thus forcing a choice between overcoming the weapon or submitting our bodies to the 'vaccine'.

You really think it will be a "choice" ?

[DaveToo]

thus forcing a choice between overcoming the weapon or submitting our bodies to the 'vaccine'.

You really think it will be a "choice" ?

"Every nation now has a decision to make.
Either you will take this vaccine, or you will be deemed a terrorist." :director:

[norman]

In the spirit of "never let a crisis go to waste", we should work to make the general masses more aware of who is responsible for this.

Arguing that we don't really know that, isn't helping the human race, right now.

Here's a meme to circulate:

https://i.vgy.me/aNruKH.jpg

[Sophocles]

A good 'visual' on exponential growth (by Dr. Bartlett; as mentioned in Chris Martensons latest video):

Limits to Growth: Bacteria in a Bottle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5OYmRyfXBY)

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[Bill Ryan]

Update Sunday evening: Italy 366 died, thats an 57% increase compared to yesterday.
But also good news: 622 people confirmed cured today.With Italy, this may be the problem.

There are 988 'closed' or 'completed' cases in Italy. All the rest are still 'active': i.e. they're still sick, severely or otherwise.

In other words, 988 have either fully recovered or died. But 366 have died. That's a CFR (case fatality rate) of 37%.

Bill from my research I have a different take and different numbers.

First of all, as of today I see numbers of deaths at 463 for Italy.
I also see that the CFR (case fatality rate) ratio is calculated by dividing the total number of deaths by the total number of diagnosed cases.
For Italy those two numbers would be:
463/9172 = 5%

Please check this link for the numbers, and make corrections if you get updates...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countries-where-coronavirus-has-spread/Dave, many thanks.

Of course, the numbers change every day. Current Italy figures as I write this are:


9,172 total cases (as you said)
463 deaths (as you said)
724 recovered
7,985 active cases (i.e. not yet recovered or died)
1,187 resolved (completed) cases (i.e. recovered or died).

But I'd argue we can't calculate the fatality rate from the total number of cases. That's because (for instance, as an example) there may have been 1,000 new cases yesterday. We don't yet know how they will fare (i.e. recover or die), so we can't use those figures — yet.

The only way we can really get a grasp on how dangerous the virus is is to look at the ratio of the fatalities against those whose cases have 'resolved' (i.e. aren't still in progress).

In other words, after it's all said and done, and there are no more cases in progress, what % have died?

Right now, recalculated, for Italy that's 463/1,187 = 39%. (That's increased a little since my previous post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1339789#post1339789), with the new numbers.)

In other words, if you're in Italy, and you catch this thing, then (ignoring the age factor, which is also important: of course, elderly and infirm patients are far more vulnerable) the chances you might die are 39%. That's pretty sobering.

[silvanelf]

That's an important point: the high fatality rate in Italy, especially in the regions around Milan and Venice, may be due to an overwhelmed health care system. This indicates a similar development in Spain, where about half of all cases in Spain are located in the area around Madrid.


The current case fatality rate in Lombardy has now topped 6%. We know from China (ex Hubei province) that in a functioning health care system the death rate of Covid-19 patients is lower than 1%. It is not the virus that kills more people in Italy, it is an overwhelmed health care system.

A health care system that is overwhelmed with Covid-19 cases can also no longer take care of regular cases. People with an acute heart attack, with diabetes problems, or kids who have fallen off a bicycle will find that the hospitals are full and unable to care for them.

The only way to prevent such a catastrophic development is to spread out the timeline during which the epidemic happens.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/is-the-coronavirus-really-more-dangerous-than-the-flu.html#more

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[sunwings]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

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[DeeMetrios]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

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Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?

[Delight]

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Full text of translation here:

I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of.

This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

[Bill Ryan]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

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Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?Well, SARS and MERS were both coronaviruses, and so is the common cold.

This new one isn't THE coronavirus. Coronaviruses have been around before, and this is just a new "species".

There have been several other coronaviruses which aren't so well-known, or which ever spread widely. (But flu, including Spanish flu, isn't a coronavirus... flu is a slightly different kind of thing.)

[Bill Ryan]

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Full text of translation here:

I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of.

This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?Many thanks — yes, folks need to read and understand this. This (when healthcare systems get overwhelmed to the point of human and systemic collapse) is the serious danger ahead... we're barely there just now, but all the signs are in front of us.

Many many people don't fully understand this yet, but I can totally get this and see all the reasons why. Standing on the beach in Thailand or Indonesia and seeing the tide go out half a mile really is quite a good analogy. We're just not used to processing this kind of information when something quite abnormal and extreme very suddenly happens.

[DeeMetrios]

silly me .... thanks for clearing it up Bill .

[norman]

Is Bill Gates Profiting From The Outbreak? Or Is Something Far More Sinister Taking Place?

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DNA DATABASE ! ?



From Forbidden Knowledge TV (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/is-bill-gates-profiting-from-the-outbreak-or-is-something-far-more-sinister-taking-place/)


Many people suspect that the coronavirus is being used as the scapegoat for a financial collapse, which Spiro Skouras believes will then be used as the excuse to usher in a new monetary and financial system of control.


Spiro's research echoes my own observations about the convergence of Agenda 2030, Modern Monetary Theory (https://track.slsv2.com/track/click?linkData=1-0d8eeyJsaW5rIjoiaHR0cHM6XC9cL2ZvcmJpZGRlbmtub3dsZWRnZXR2Lm5ldFwvdW4tYWdlbmRhLTIxLWFuZC1tb2Rlcm4tbW9u ZXRhcnktdGhlb3J5XC8iLCJuZXdzbGV0dGVyVHJhY2tDb2RlIjoiQm5JRTlhQWxvSCIsIm1haWxUcmFja0NvZGUiOiI5MTJkMmIx YzdiMjgyNmNhZjk5Njg3Mzg4ZDJlOGY3YyIsImRvbWFpbiI6ImZvcmJpZGRlbmtub3dsZWRnZXR2IiwidGFnSWQiOjAsImRlbCI6 OX0), the blockchain, the end of the petrodollar and a new financial system based on a centralized inventory of assets and resources, including living beings and their genomes. Everything is to be put on a blockchain to become trackable nodes on the Global Information Grid (GIG).


He says, "The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is funding a program, which will soon offer an at-home testing kit for the coronavirus... must be an expert, considering his foundation co-hosted Event 201, the United Nations' pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak, which preceded the actual corona virus outbreak by about six weeks and also coincided with the United Nations-themed World Military Games, which took place in Wuhan, China [the] ground zero of this outbreak...


"If you believe you've been exposed to or infected by the virus, you can simply just go online and fill out a questionnaire and the test will be delivered to you within two hours.


"It doesn't specify how the test will get there, who's gonna deliver it, whether it's coming by drone. We don't know. It's just 'It'll be there in two hours.' That's pretty impressive...


"The results will be available within two days and will be shared with local health authorities so they can track your movements and your contacts, making it easier for health officials to locate others who may need to be tested and/or quarantined, as well as to track the virus, itself and its spread and possibly identify other potential hotspots.


"This sounds a bit Orwellian to me but after all, it is a public health emergency, so I guess extreme circumstances call for extreme measures, right?


[B]"They state the intent for this program to expand to a state level and beyond, eventually. What I get out of this is it sounds to me like they are building a database to track potentially infected people - and not just any database but a DNA database - realistically, that has this potential because they will collect your DNA once they swab your nose and conduct this test...


"When you start to look into other programs that Gates is involved in, we start to see a trend and this starts to raise some red flags for me. For example, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have also funded an invisible biometric tattoo program to identify vaccinated people, which can be given at birth or throughout any time in your life.


"And this was designed to be able to track entire nations of people now could this program be related to or at least at some point integrated into the program and the database that we were seeing the Gates Foundation setting up right now, in the United States regarding the coronavirus?


"It's anybody's guess. We'll have to see but this isn't the only example. Another program that's connected to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the ID 2020 program, which is a program that claims that roughly 1 billion people on Earth are 'in danger' because they have no internationally-accepted form of identification.


"So, those people who are 'at risk' include people who are affected by a refugee crisis, which, of course the current migrant crisis or refugee crisis that we have been seeing over the past several years appears very well to be an engineered crisis, using weapons of mass migration to destabilize nations.


"And we're seeing this take place. Others, they state are at risk are people who don't have medical records documented anywhere or birth records. So, they want to be able to track your birth records, your medical records and which life-saving vaccines you may potentially need with this biometric, invisible tattoo that they'll be able to imprint on you and scan and log into their databases. This is no joke...


"This program is not only funded by Microsoft - and Bill Gates separately - but Gates actually founded one of the main organizations named Gavi, which is leading this program. Other partners include Accenture, which is a Ripplenet partner, the Rockefeller Foundation and multiple branches of the United Nations, including its international computing Center, which will likely be running to some degree the international database.


"This digital ID system will track everyone and everything using blockchain technology and not only will it provide medical history on you via the biometric tattoos or implanted microchips which they mentioned in these reports, it will also be used for employment and background checks and will most likely be tied to your social credit score and even your bank accounts.


"If you want to be able to do business, buy or sell things or even be employed, you will likely have to be integrated into the system. This is why I believe that this current health crisis is no accident. It aligns with all of their goals. As we can see, right here, on the United Nations' own website. For its 2030 agenda goal number 16.9: 'By 2030, provide legal identity for all, including birth registration.'


"This is exactly what these programs are being set up to do and they're being funded right now by people in organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the United Nations and many others.


"They are rolling out these programs, using this current crisis as cover. Cover for their new digital financial system. Cover further new global governance programs.


"I've reported on this numerous times and we just get more and more confirmation every day. This is all connected. We can see the same players involved, under every rock that we look under...


"The central banks will integrate almost two billion people, which they call 'the unbanked' into this new system of slavery, in partnership with the UN, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Bill Gates. These are the social engineers, with their technocratic plan for Full Spectrum Dominance and it's happening right now. This is why we are seeing this censorship take place. This is why they have tried to silence me and others in the past.

[Pam]

Time for a laugh.

This is a SNL parody of a Soap Opera using viral protection technique to protect the actors. It really is pretty funny.


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[Bill Ryan]

Time for a laugh.And, in that vein: :)

I've not seen any comments, anywhere (there have to be some!!) about the unintended black humor in many media announcements of the new Bond film No Time to Die being postponed till later in the year.

[Metaphor]

Deight, do you have the source to the doctors statement? I´d like to investigate this further

[norman]

Time for a laugh.And, in that vein: :)

I've not seen any comments, anywhere (there have to be some!!) about the unintended black humor in many media announcements of the new Bond film No Time to Die being postponed till later in the year.

Every hint that pops up indicates that the decision to do this was made late and quickly. Only a few people were tipped off. Looks like Bezos was one, he dumped a chunk of his Amazon shares quite recently.

Are there any experts here who can tell us who else has recently dumped stock.

[snoman]

according to reports on the latest advice, yet to be rolled out, here in the UK it will very soon be the case that anybody with even a mild fever will be asked to self isolate.
therefore, unless I am missing something, there will be no accurate data on how many actual cases there are in the UK and hence no accurate data on death rates.

i did say i would report on any weird behaviour among the residents of my town, there is the expected panic buying and a lot of black humour.

on a side note, a friend of mine is a smoker and also enduring menopausal night sweats.. she is pretty confused right now.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a 27 minute investigative report from Simone Gao about whether (or not!) the Chinese statistics and PR claims can be trusted. It was published 16 hours ago.

For anyone reading this, who like myself is 100% certain the Chinese figures are grossly falsified (and always have been), then the video — though very measured and professionally done — may raise your blood pressure just a little. :)

I can present many strong logical reasons why the current figures, proudly claiming almost zero new cases in the whole of their vast country, have to be quite meaningless. It's very easy to do.

And the video shows a lot of them. My frustrations really center around the obedient, complicit reporting in the western mainstream media (combined with their lack of criticism of the WHO, which is criminally negligent at best). It's sometimes hard to watch all this play out.

Of course, we'll get the real picture from places like South Korea and Italy (with accurate testing and reporting), and other countries will follow suit soon, maybe France, Germany and Spain. (Not the US!)

In the meantime, the non-Chinese world is being presented as somehow a bunch of stumbling Keystone Kops klutzes (which is partly true), while China shines as being a model of efficiency and organization (only true inasmuch as their uber-controlling police state has claws, teeth and a great deal of ruthlessness, with zero commitment to truths of any kind).

[/rant]. :) Here's the video. As always, Simone Gao and her team do an excellent (and needed) job.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a7HaWqFh24

[Dorjezigzag]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

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Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?Well, SARS and MERS were both coronaviruses, and so is the common cold.

This new one isn't THE coronavirus. Coronaviruses have been around before, and this is just a new "species".

There have been several other coronaviruses which aren't so well-known, or which ever spread widely. (But flu, including Spanish flu, isn't a coronavirus... flu is a slightly different kind of thing.)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42733

If this is true about the Asterix cartoon I think it is another interesting synchronicity. Especially the further associations with Ceasar and hence Italy.
The difference with COVID-19 compared to the cold, MERS SARS etc is that it has been referred to as the 'corona virus' by the general public.
Despite scientists and the authorities best efforts to rename it COVID-19, 'coronavirus; is the name associated with this virus which reverberates into the depths of the collective unconscious.
https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2362229/86219626.jpg

[Tintin]

What are viruses?


"Viruses are microscopic parasites, generally much smaller than bacteria. They lack the capacity to thrive and reproduce outside of a host body."

Anyone like me who has recently been following this very closely may have found themselves asking the question: "How much of my 'O' level/high school biology do I remember and perhaps I do need to almost go 'back to school' for a refresher?"

Perhaps you good reader may not need to, but this helpful and interesting article, for those of us who may need a reminder and a much needed science-y top-up, might benefit from it.

Where there's been time today I've endeavoured to go back to revisiting what I may have missed, or forgotten, whilst daydreaming in class...(nucleic acids and polymeric molecules, here I come (again) :) )

So, a read of this....

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https://www.livescience.com/53272-what-is-a-virus.html

....may help to make a little more sense of the detail in this excellent article already posted way further back on this thread:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Coronaviruses_Richard_Hunt_University_of_South_Carolina_School_of_Medicine.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Coronaviruses_Richard_Hunt_University_of_South_Carolina_School_of_Medicine.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting report, easily missed. While unverifiable, it rings very true.


https://dailynk.com/english/sources-almost-200-soldiers-have-died-covid-19

Sources: Almost 200 North Korean soldiers have died from Covid-19
By Jeong Tae Joo (https://www.dailynk.com/english/author/jong-tae-ju/), 9 March, 2020
(https://www.dailynk.com/english/author/jong-tae-ju/)
Sources report that the military is not cremating corpses because of the sheer number of bodies

Around 200 North Korean soldiers from several branches of the military have died from symptoms that may have been caused by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), Daily NK has learned.

A Daily NK source inside North Korea’s military reported on Mar. 6 that the military’s medical corps had sent a report detailing the impact of COVID-19 on the country’s soldiers to military leaders.

The report stated that 180 soldiers had died in January and February and that approximately 3,700 soldiers are currently under quarantine. According to the report, the soldiers who had died were predominantly stationed on or around the Sino-North Korean border in North Pyongan, Chagang, Ryanggang, and North Hamgyong provinces.

The report came after the military’s leadership had ordered hospitals serving each branch of the military to collect data on the number of soldiers who had died after suffering from high fevers stemming from pneumonia, tuberculosis, asthma or colds. Military leaders also asked the hospitals to report on the numbers of those currently in quarantine.

The report has reportedly caused an uproar in North Korea’s military establishment and has led military leaders to take several measures to prevent the spread of what appears to be COVID-19 infections.

(article continues (https://dailynk.com/english/sources-almost-200-soldiers-have-died-covid-19))

[Dorjezigzag]

Italy suspends mortgage repayments and tax bills – could threaten membership of the euro

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1253172/coronavirus-italy-euro-membership-bank-crisis-mortgage-repayments-suspended

[happyuk]

Time for a laugh.And, in that vein: :)

I've not seen any comments, anywhere (there have to be some!!) about the unintended black humor in many media announcements of the new Bond film No Time to Die being postponed till later in the year.

I'd seen this recently...

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[Samson]

The number of new corona cases dropped dramaticly in the Netherlands over the weekend. Handshakes are no langer allowed according to our pm. But we went form 1,2,4,8,16,32,64 128 back to 64.
This storm seems over.

CRISPR

Theyll still have to 'vaccinate' us first to get receptive.

[happyuk]

Of all the things Corona related, here is one that actually deserves to go viral.

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[ExomatrixTV]

Connah Mackay (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g/permalink/879210362514120/) [quote]:"
7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
As you already know.......it doesn't add up.
It's an ambush, another lie orchestrated by our government to push an agenda. No more cash, Forced vaccinations, RFID chips, NWO, #Agenda21 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda21?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) Depopulation (#Agenda2030 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda2030?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG)) to allow global governance. I believe they’re just beginning to experiment with #5G (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/5g?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) and it’s affects have only just begun.
[unquote].

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[Samson]

I honestly think Italy is using this virus as an escapegoat. They are so broke and bankrupt...worse then Greece...

It wont keep the sun from shining...

[ExomatrixTV]

We don't know why so few covid-19 cases have been reported in Africa


Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/#ixzz6GJtDqJs4)

[Bill Ryan]

7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
As you already know.......it doesn't add up.
It's an ambush, another lie orchestrated by our government to push an agenda. No more cash, Forced vaccinations, RFID chips, NWO, #Agenda21 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda21?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) Depopulation (#Agenda2030 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda2030?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG)) to allow global governance. I believe they’re just beginning to experiment with #5G (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/5g?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) and it’s affects have only just begun.
A YouTube comment below Chris Martenson's video update yesterday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb94GXQVEKQ):
I'm so damn tired of seeing ignorant people on facebook posting the number of flu deaths in the US and then dropping the mic like they did something.

[sunwings]

I honestly think Italy is using this virus as an escapegoat. They are so broke and bankrupt...worse then Greece...

It wont keep the sun from shining...

Professor Grasselli is the Italian coordinator for all ICU cases in Italy. Although the interviewer did not press him on the issue of this being a scapegoat he did ask many probing questions in a fascinating ten minutes.

1. He described the CV like a bomb which had gone off in the Lombardy region (Milan area)
2. Lombardy is one of the wealthiest parts of Italy and Europe and far from being bankrupt
3. Due to the excellent medical facilities and staff, they have been able to manage the massive strain on the system
4. No other part of Italy or Europe has experienced such a bomb only Wuhan.
5. The Draconian measures being taken in Italy is because it is clear a Bomb in the South of Italy would be like a runaway train.

9mrPHO-nkVE

[muxfolder]

40 confirmed cases here. Still absolutely NOTHING's being done here.

https://i.imgur.com/VGTJFZS.png

So, green means no cases, most of the map means we're ****ed. And that's because there's been a holiday season. Might be still going on, but that's been on going on for 3 weeks already. So a lot of Finns been on move, travelling all around and using public transports.

This is the official source (in Finnish) (https://thl.fi/fi/web/infektiotaudit-ja-rokotukset/ajankohtaista/ajankohtaista-koronaviruksesta-covid-19)

Are you able to open that link?

[pyrangello]

Yes Muxfolder, link does open , its in finnish but it will open.

[araucaria]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

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Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?
Very easy! 1) These comic books are about Romans, who come from… Italy. Also about Gauls, who come from Gaul. 2) All the Romans in the books (this is number 37) have Latin names – no surprise there; it has always been designed as a major source of laughs. To get the laughs, the authors need to be clever and inventive. On the same page you have Lupus Garum and Lactus Bifidus. 3) Today you will get literally 6.67 billion google hits, but Coronaviruses weren’t born yesterday. Some humans weren’t either, but you won’t always get to hear about them. Many things older than last year tend to get forgotten. 4) The character is a baddy, ergo give him a nasty name. His henchman is called Bacillus. 5) The publishers in this case had no prior information about an epidemic three years in the future. Just a coincidence waiting to happen.

[Bill Ryan]

Professor Grasselli is the Italian coordinator for all ICU cases in Italy. Although the interviewer did not press him on the issue of this being a scapegoat he did ask many probing questions in a fascinating ten minutes.

1. He described the CV like a bomb which had gone off in the Lombardy region (Milan area)
2. Lombardy is one of the wealthiest parts of Italy and Europe and far from being bankrupt
3. Due to the excellent medical facilities and staff, they have been able to manage the massive strain on the system
4. No other part of Italy or Europe has experienced such a bomb only Wuhan.
5. The Draconian measures being taken in Italy is because it is clear a Bomb in the South of Italy would be like a runaway train.

9mrPHO-nkVEEveryone who thinks that this is nothing much, is overhyped, is a "hoax", or is no worse than the flu (or anything else that kills people every day), should invest 10 mins to listen carefully to this.

With the Italian situation now (and the Italian strain of the virus having traveled round the world already, assuming there may be something different about it), what we're seeing here is simply what's lying in wait to ambush and collapse every healthcare system in just a matter of weeks.

THAT's why this is different. The numbers suddenly grow very rapidly. Within a week, everything can change, wherever you may be.

It's not about 'fear'. It's about seeing the tide go out half a mile on the beach in Thailand or Indonesia, and understanding what's about to happen next.

[Alberto e Daniela]

Hello everyone,

speaking with our relatives in Italy, we found out their surprise, seeing american troops in combat gear going around our cities, without protective masks, and without minding the preventive measures (https://ilmanifesto.it/30mila-soldati-dagli-usa-in-europa-senza-mascherina/) which are in force in our country. This is while Italy has been raised to class 4 risk, that is, DO NOT go there. Except for about 20000 soldiers, that is. Do they have an antidote already? Hmmm...

Curiously, starting on Feb 21 and now at full steam ahead, a NATO joint military manoeuvre (Defender Europe 2020) is happening in Europe, right in the middle of the pandemic.

Alberto and Daniela

[ExomatrixTV]

Spy's Message to President Trump on Coronavirus, 5G, Hybrid War, Threat to America & Election 2020
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Robert David Steele, former spy recommended for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2017 for his advocacy of holistic analytics, true cost economics, and Open Source Everything Engineering (OSEE), makes one final attempt to help the President see that he needs new capabilities -- a new White House floor plan, a new intelligence and counterintelligence team, if he is to lead America decisively and effectively through our current crisis. Make no mistake -- this virus is an act of war against China, Iran, and the USA. Until all aspects are understood, including the 5G aspect and the network of traitors behind the combination of biowar, electromagnetic war, and information war, America will remain at risk. Absent very fast and Presidential-level orchestration of resources, the November 2020 elections are at risk and that will destroy all of the good to be found in the first Trump term and what should be a solid re-election to finish the job of reinstating faith and family, community & country, & Constitution. God Bless America.



SHORT URL for the printed illustrated open letter: https://tinyurl.com/POTUS-Wuhan (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=MMLPJysc_xqFRaG5QWINUXcHwh98MTU4Mzk2NTE2MUAxNTgzODc4NzYx&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2FPOTUS-Wuhan&event=video_description&v=wwYPVIAqme0)


POTUS Memo op Wuhan Plus 1.2 (https://phibetaiota.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/POTUS-Memo-on-Wuhan-Plus-1.2.docx)

[Dorjezigzag]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

42733

Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?
Very easy! 1) These comic books are about Romans, who come from… Italy. Also about Gauls, who come from Gaul. 2) All the Romans in the books (this is number 37) have Latin names – no surprise there; it has always been designed as a major source of laughs. To get the laughs, the authors need to be clever and inventive. On the same page you have Lupus Garum and Lactus Bifidus. 3) Today you will get literally 6.67 billion google hits, but Coronaviruses weren’t born yesterday. Some humans weren’t either, but you won’t always get to hear about them. Many things older than last year tend to get forgotten. 4) The character is a baddy, ergo give him a nasty name. His henchman is called Bacillus. 5) The publishers in this case had no prior information about an epidemic three years in the future. Just a coincidence waiting to happen.

I am quite familiar with the workings of synchronicity through my own personal artworks, they have revealed many future personal events and events affecting us all, including the coronavirus. The very nature of creativity puts us in mental states that have greater access to the collective unconscious, similar states can be accessed through disciplines such as meditation. Karl Jung wrote extensively on this and a lot of his ideas were developed with the quantum physicist Wolfgang Pauli. Of course, quantum physics has taken us out of the Newtonian linear view of time, in quantum physics time is appreciated as an illusion. The waves of major traumatic events will bleed into the past as must as they do into the future.

I also find it annoying when people always jump to a relationship of synchronicities to conspiracies. That the only way an artwork can be predictive is if the person had been informed of some nefarious groups plans. The world is far more mysterious than many realise.

[Siphonemis]

Outside of San Antonio and Travis AFB in CA receiving some quarantined individuals, there has been zero heard from my end of the stick. No special briefings, warnings, etc, and no precautionary measures in place as of yet. Having been to various overseas military locations in the past few weeks, to include the Middle East, not much has changed. This makes me question the “panic” of this virus. I truly hope I am wrong, however, and that all settles itself in due time. Peace to all.

[muxfolder]

Coronavirus can live on a gym machine or buffet lunch for up to nine days - dying with sauna, wine and soap
Coronavirus has a fat coat that can be dissolved in soap or fortified wine.

Tomatoes and avocados are hopping in the shops. In gyms, new hands are grabbing the handles of the same equipment. For a buffet lunch, the whole queue scares food with the same takers ...

Cities have endless surfaces that touch hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hands every day. Coronavirus can be transmitted from the patient's hands to surfaces and from new people to surfaces.

- That's a real risk. For example, it has been studied with influenza viruses that, within just five seconds, a significant part of the viruses are transmitted from the surface to the surface, says Varpu Marjomäki, associate professor of cell and molecular biology at the University of Jyväskylä .

- For example, in the gym I would wear gym gloves, he adds.

Coronavirus thrives at room temperature
The viability of the coronavirus variant now circulating on the surfaces has not yet been studied, but it is probably the same as coronaviruses in general: under good conditions for five to nine days.

- Nor does the virus seem to matter what the surface of the material is. Metal, glass, wood, paper, ceramic surface - coronavirus still survive pretty well, says Marjomäki.

In addition to contact, coronavirus spreads to the surface with droplets. The power of sneezing draws near the storm and the droplets fly for miles, carrying viruses with them.

Room temperature also seems to be suitable for coronavirus, with temperatures rising above 30 degrees it becomes more difficult to survive.

On the other hand, a frosty virus is not mythical.

- In the lab, we put the viruses down to 80 degrees Celsius. There they remain for years.

Associate Professor Varpu Marjomäki.
Associate Professor Varpu Varpu Marjomäki researches viruses at the University of Jyväskylä. Jarkko Riikonen / General
Sauna and liquor kill the virus
Coronaviruses have a lipid or fat envelope around them. This means that the virus is relatively easy to destroy by dissolving its fat wrap.

- Even with good soap cleaning, the coronavirus can be destroyed. The virus also degrades, for example, in alcohol-based solutions. Even the sauna is useful, at these temperatures these viruses probably won't live anymore, says Marjomäki.

Surfaces that are subject to much contact should also be washed frequently, with long-lasting and effective agents.

- Studies have washed coronaviruses off the surfaces, and a minute treatment with 70% wine destroys them pretty well. So a longer treatment than a quick wipe is required.

Researchers have, of course, heard jokes about the corona of wine.

- The ear does not work, it is too soft.

Chlorite used for disinfection is also used in high-efficiency cleaning. In this case, however, care must be taken not to use acidic substances at the same time to prevent the formation of toxic chlorine gas.

Keep your fingers out of your nose
Hands should also be washed with soap and used for at least twenty seconds.

- Few people wash their hands for so long, but you can think of a song that you sing in your mind or out loud, says Marjomäki.

Hand washing is emphasized, usually the person takes the virus into their body by digging their nose, rubbing their eyes or putting their fingers in their mouths.

Human beings also provide numerous opportunities for the virus to be transmitted. Students on the study it became clear that they touched his face about 23 times an hour - about every two and a half minutes.

Weaker than SARS and MERS
Human infectious coronaviruses have only been known for well over 50 years. They have caused three major waves of disease in the 21st century: SARS, MERS, and now COVID-19, which is spreading around the world.

- This is weaker than before and the mortality rate is clearly lower, which is really nice, says Marjomäki.

However, according to recent research, the circulating coronavirus is more infectious than before. It appears to bind to cell surface receptors more efficiently than coronavirus variation caused by SARS, for example.

Source (in Finnish) (https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11249645)

[Delight]

Deight, do you have the source to the doctors statement? I´d like to investigate this further

i think here

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[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for today, just published. He's as pissed as Dr John Campbell was (in his very British way!) a couple of days ago. It's very easy to understand why.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HYh6zjTUo

[onawah]

Is Bill Gates Profiting From The Outbreak? Or Is Something Far More Sinister Taking Place?
Mar 9, 2020
Spiro Skouras

"As we see what is now being called a global health emergency regarding the Coronavirus continue to grow on a daily basis, we also see how the solutions to this crisis fall in line with pre positioned plans and agendas.

In this report, we look at a potential solution offered by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation which intends to provide at home testing kits for those who believe they may have been exposed to, or may be possibly infected by the virus.

Is Bill Gates making money on this public health crisis? Or is there another motivation behind the 100 million dollars the foundation has donated to combat this outbreak?

Lets examine this together...

Gates-funded program will soon offer home-testing kits for new coronavirus
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...

An Invisible Quantum Dot 'Tattoo' Could Be Used to ID Vaccinated Kids
https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invis...

How big a task is giving everyone on Earth a digital identity?
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enter...

ID2020 Site
https://id2020.org

ID2020 Alliance Unveils Digital ID Program
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometric...

UN 2030 Agenda Goal 16
https://www.un.org/development/desa/d...

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Review and transcript from Alexandra Bruce: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/is-bill-gates-profiting-from-the-outbreak-or-is-something-far-more-sinister-taking-place/
"Many people suspect that the coronavirus is being used as the scapegoat for a financial collapse, which Spiro Skouras believes will then be used as the excuse to usher in a new monetary and financial system of control.

Spiro’s research echoes my own observations about the convergence of Agenda 2030, Modern Monetary Theory, the blockchain, the end of the petrodollar and a new financial system based on a centralized inventory of assets and resources, including living beings and their genomes. Everything is to be put on a blockchain to become trackable nodes on the Global Information Grid (GIG).

He says, “The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is funding a program, which will soon offer an at-home testing kit for the coronavirus…[Bill Gates] must be an expert, considering his foundation co-hosted Event 201, the United Nations’ pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak, which preceded the actual corona virus outbreak by about six weeks and also coincided with the United Nations-themed World Military Games, which took place in Wuhan, China [the] ground zero of this outbreak…

“If you believe you’ve been exposed to or infected by the virus, you can simply just go online and fill out a questionnaire and the test will be delivered to you within two hours.

“It doesn’t specify how the test will get there, who’s gonna deliver it, whether it’s coming by drone. We don’t know. It’s just ‘It’ll be there in two hours.’ That’s pretty impressive…

“The results will be available within two days and will be shared with local health authorities so they can track your movements and your contacts, making it easier for health officials to locate others who may need to be tested and/or quarantined, as well as to track the virus, itself and its spread and possibly identify other potential hotspots.

“This sounds a bit Orwellian to me but after all, it is a public health emergency, so I guess extreme circumstances call for extreme measures, right?

“They state the intent for this program to expand to a state level and beyond, eventually. What I get out of this is it sounds to me like they are building a database to track potentially infected people – and not just any database but a DNA database – realistically, that has this potential because they will collect your DNA once they swab your nose and conduct this test…

“When you start to look into other programs that Gates is involved in, we start to see a trend and this starts to raise some red flags for me. For example, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have also funded an invisible biometric tattoo program to identify vaccinated people, which can be given at birth or throughout any time in your life.

“And this was designed to be able to track entire nations of people now could this program be related to or at least at some point integrated into the program and the database that we were seeing the Gates Foundation setting up right now, in the United States regarding the coronavirus?

“It’s anybody’s guess. We’ll have to see but this isn’t the only example. Another program that’s connected to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the ID 2020 program, which is a program that claims that roughly 1 billion people on Earth are ‘in danger’ because they have no internationally-accepted form of identification.

“So, those people who are ‘at risk’ include people who are affected by a refugee crisis, which, of course the current migrant crisis or refugee crisis that we have been seeing over the past several years appears very well to be an engineered crisis, using weapons of mass migration to destabilize nations.

“And we’re seeing this take place. Others, they state are at risk are people who don’t have medical records documented anywhere or birth records. So, they want to be able to track your birth records, your medical records and which life-saving vaccines you may potentially need with this biometric, invisible tattoo that they’ll be able to imprint on you and scan and log into their databases. This is no joke…

“This program is not only funded by Microsoft – and Bill Gates separately – but Gates actually founded one of the main organizations named Gavi, which is leading this program. Other partners include Accenture, which is a Ripplenet partner, the Rockefeller Foundation and multiple branches of the United Nations, including its international computing Center, which will likely be running to some degree the international database.

“This digital ID system will track everyone and everything using blockchain technology and not only will it provide medical history on you via the biometric tattoos or implanted microchips which they mentioned in these reports, it will also be used for employment and background checks and will most likely be tied to your social credit score and even your bank accounts.

“If you want to be able to do business, buy or sell things or even be employed, you will likely have to be integrated into the system. This is why I believe that this current health crisis is no accident. It aligns with all of their goals. As we can see, right here on the United Nations’ own website. For its 2030 agenda goal number 16.9: ‘By 2030, provide legal identity for all, including birth registration.’

“This is exactly what these programs are being set up to do and they’re being funded right now by people in organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the United Nations and many others.

“They are rolling out these programs, using this current crisis as cover. Cover for their new digital financial system. Cover further new global governance programs.

“I’ve reported on this numerous times and we just get more and more confirmation every day. This is all connected. We can see the same players involved, under every rock that we look under…

“The central banks will integrate almost two billion people, which they call ‘the unbanked’ into this new system of slavery, in partnership with the UN, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Bill Gates. These are the social engineers, with their technocratic plan for Full Spectrum Dominance and it’s happening right now. This is why we are seeing this censorship take place. This is why they have tried to silence me and others in the past.

“Please share this information before it’s too late, as if it’s not too late already.

“Stay tuned for much more.”

[ExomatrixTV]

Bill Gates & The Vatican Agenda. Vaccinate 300 Million By 2025. Coronavirus Vaccine & Depopulation:

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The Vaccine Alliance is planning to vaccinate an additional 300 million children from 2021 to 2025. Bill Gates and the Vatican are linking up on May 14, 2020 for Pope Francis's Global Education Pact with World Leaders. US military is working to develop coronavirus vaccine Print Out of List of Ingredients In Vaccines: PDF (https://savinghealthministries.com/wp-content/uploads/VaccineIngredients.pdf)

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks Opting out of vaccinations should not be an option based on some leading medical experts. On Tuesday, Maine’s voters will be asked in a referendum if it’s acceptable to allow parents to send their unvaccinated children.

Measles vaccination becomes mandatory in Germany.Parents in Germany must vaccinate their children against measles or face substantial fines, according to a new law that takes effect this month.The controversial new regulation was approved last year after the country recorded more than 500 cases of the disease.Germany's Minister of Health, Jens Spahn, said education about the importance of vaccination was not enough.

Parents must provide proof of immunisation Religious Vaccine Exemption Bills Spark Debate Across the United States A recent Pew Research Center study found that more than 88% of adults support requiring healthy children to receive vaccines in order to attend school to avoid the potential risk to others.

However, ongoing legislative efforts to remove religious exemptions from vaccinations have led to protests by anti-vaccination advocates. A bill known as SB3668 has been put before the state Senate to refrain from vaccinating their children on religious grounds. The legislation would additionally remove most medical exemptions for vaccines that are required to attend school. Virginia bill would add more required vaccines for students.A bill in Virginia could add more required vaccines for students.Right now, the Virginia Department of Health requires nine vaccinations.


However, that number could grow to 13.The bill would require Virginia students to receive every vaccine that the CDC recommends for children. Maine’s stricter law on vaccination requirements up for a vote.

When Maine’s voters head to the polls in the presidential primaries Tuesday, they also will cast a vote on an issue many physicians wish had never been politicized — a referendum to overturn a new law that would allow unvaccinated children to attend school only if they have received a waiver from a medical professional.

The new law, which would take effect in September 2021, aims to boost immunization among school-age children in a state where just over 5 percent of kindergartners are unvaccinated not only for medical reasons but because of their parents’ religious or philosophical beliefs.

That puts Maine below the 95 percent threshold that public health officials say is necessary to stop the spread of preventable and sometimes deadly diseases like the measles.Misinformation campaigns have raised fears about the alleged dangers of immunization, which extensive research has shown are unwarranted. Global vaccine coalition unveils ambitious plan to immunize 300 million children.

Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, has unveiled an ambitious plan to expand the number of doses it helps developing countries purchase, aiming to vaccinate an additional 300 million children from 2021 to 2025. The Geneva-based organization revealed to donors it needs $7.4 billion for its five-year period at an event in Japan on Friday (local time) to launch its replenishment drive.

Gavi CEO Dr. Seth Berkley said several other major global health programs — the Global Polio Eradication Initiative and the Global Fund to Fight HIV, Tuberculosis and Malaria among them — are also undertaking funding drives. Vatican’s Academy for Life encourages parents to vaccinate children Bill Gates reveals his family attends Catholic church Vatican urged to partner with top population controllers on pope’s Global Education Pact.

American economist and population control proponent Jeffrey Sachs has announced that potential funding partners for Pope Francis’s May 2020 Global Education Pact to create a “new humanism” include U.S. billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates Big Pharma spends record millions on lobbying amid pressure to lower drug prices

[Bill Ryan]

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks No, they won't.

[Satori]

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks No, they won't.

Agreed. Not one that is tried, tested and proved to be efficacious to a reasonable degree of scientific and medical certainty. That’s for sure.

[TrumanCash]

Washington State Department of Health reporting 267 cases of COVID-19, 24 deaths (https://www.khq.com/coronavirus/washington-state-department-of-health-reporting-cases-of-covid-/article_62d48562-6319-11ea-a67a-53a44203fc44.html)




The number of confirmed cases and deaths associated with COVID-19 continue to rise in the state of Washington.

As of Tuesday, March 10, the Washington State Department of Health is reporting the total number of confirmed cases has now risen to 267, with 24 deaths associated with coronavirus.

Of that total, the majority of cases continue to come from King County, where 190 cases have been confirmed and 22 deaths have been reported.

Fifty four cases have been confirmed in Snohomish County where one death has also been reported.

A single case has been confirmed in Grant County, which also became a fatal case.

So far in the state, 2,175 tests for coronavirus have been conducted and 267 have come back positive.

[Delight]

7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
As you already know.......it doesn't add up.
It's an ambush, another lie orchestrated by our government to push an agenda. No more cash, Forced vaccinations, RFID chips, NWO, #Agenda21 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda21?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) Depopulation (#Agenda2030 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda2030?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG)) to allow global governance. I believe they’re just beginning to experiment with #5G (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/5g?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG) and it’s affects have only just begun.
A YouTube comment below Chris Martenson's video update yesterday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb94GXQVEKQ):
I'm so damn tired of seeing ignorant people on facebook posting the number of flu deaths in the US and then dropping the mic like they did something.


Had not run into this person. He is very concerned that people still deny this is "real" (no matter where it came from). Tsunami is what everyone is calling it today....

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[ArjunaArcana]

Greetings fellow Avalonians

Reporting from Santo Domingo Dominican Republic.

5 cases officially recorded though it is known that there might be much much more due to the fact that there was a huge influx of people coming from Italy before the matter was taken seriously.

The first patient, the Italian gentleman had been doing just fine for the past several days until today when it was reported the a slight pneumonia had started.

Sources close to the healthcare profession have stated that its been here for some time now and that it has been kept secret in order to keep people from panicking.

Yesterday a new case was confirmed and not by public health but by an official statement made by the company operating inside a building in the city. For some reason, that case would total 6 but it has been kept out of the loop why ?

Fellow Avalonians, it is no surprise to any of us that the world is about to take a turn for the worse, this not to cause fear but we have a real threat in front of our eyes and the countries of the world have kept silent or evasive as to what might be really going on.

This afternoon I spoke to a lady who is a business owner at the place I work at and she told me that the son of a relative of hers that lives in Italy- there is a huge Dominican population in Italy-had contracted this virus and dropped dead just like that. The young man was 28 yrs old and as far as she was able to tell me had no med issues.

A co worker posted on her fb page the situation in South Korea before it appeared in the news, nobody believed her.

Keep you posted as this situation develops, it is important to keep a record of all this and be prepared as best one can if there is such a thing in life, for what might come ahead.

Arjuna Arcana

[Tangri]

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks No, they won't.

Agreed. Not one that is tried, tested and proved to be efficacious to a reasonable degree of scientific and medical certainty. That’s for sure.

Disagreed. What if they had studied earlier?

[Tangri]

Why are they testing fever to separate/quarantine people?

Fever or elevated body temperature might be caused by:

A virus
A bacterial infection
Heat exhaustion
Certain inflammatory conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis — inflammation of the lining of your joints (synovium)
dehidration,
Food poisoning/allergies
A malignant tumor,
Less resting, sleeping
Some medications, such as antibiotics and drugs used to treat high blood pressure or seizures
Some immunizations, such as the diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis (DTaP) or pneumococcal vaccine

Why are they cremating bodies?

Coronovirus needs living cell to proliferate.

I am tend to believe that this event more dangerous to some creatures other than humans. It can not be only for gaining or establishing control over.

[Frank V]

Why are they cremating bodies?

Coronovirus needs living cell to proliferate.

Yes, but first of all, just because a person died from the infection doesn't mean that all of their cellular activity has stopped. Evidence has shown over the ages that certain cells remain alive for yet quite a lot of time after the person dies. For instance, the hair and nails still continue growing for quite some time ─ up to weeks, even.

Secondly, and in line with the above, just because the patient's dead doesn't mean that the viruses inside their body would be dead too. Cremating the bodies is the only way to make sure that the viruses inside of them will also be dead.

[Satori]

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks No, they won't.

Agreed. Not one that is tried, tested and proved to be efficacious to a reasonable degree of scientific and medical certainty. That’s for sure.

Disagreed. What if they had studied earlier?

Maybe. By even so it could not reliably be certified as efficacious. Further, why would they have done that, or more to the point, even had any way to do that, with a novel (new) corona virus? As I understand it, being a novel covid by definition means it is new and thus no way to be sure what you are studying is in fact what is out there or will be out there in the future. It’s very much a mutating and moving target.

[Gracy]

Breakthrough: Israeli Scientists Say They’ll Have a Coronavirus Vaccine in Just Weeks No, they won't.

Agreed. Not one that is tried, tested and proved to be efficacious to a reasonable degree of scientific and medical certainty. That’s for sure.

Disagreed. What if they had studied earlier?

In that case the question IMO should beg, why is the advent of Covid-19 such a surprise?

[Delight]

Joe Rogan's guest is very sobering and I hear that we really must be focusing on how to modulate our personal immunity (neither over reactive or low response). The guest is giving middle of the road advice to get sleep, stay fit, eat well. I think that we can reach out to a wider spectrum like Wim Hof, John Bergman, Dr. Mercola.

In this video, Joe Rogan displays his admiration for vaccines. He decries the antivaxxers as being so misguided. He does admit that there is harm for some but chalks it up to just the way things are. I just don't comprehend the inability to observe the effects of the massive vaccine program. It is not paranoia that more children are vaccine injured than hurt by infection now. The party line from pharmascience has permeated deep into the mind of these gentlemen. I see thinking as being dominated by whole blocks of information rather than selectively evaluating based on logic and true intelligence which is able to synthesize.


Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota. Look for his book "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Deadly Germs" for more info. https://amzn.to/2IAzeLe

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[Mypos]

I am really at a loss of what to believe now. Sometimes i read stuff from people who think the whole Corona Virus is fearporn driven by the media and i agree with that because that is what is happening. Then other times i read stuff about the Corona Virus not being taken seriously by goverments and that its much more serious then what most people think and i tend to go with that. Its like both sides being true at the same time. But i choose to focus on the first option. I dont wanna be guided by fear so i think of it as just a flu and will do everything that i can to help my own immune system.

[Sophocles]

Hospitals used to be runned by real doctors with competence and experience. Now they are being managed or directed by lawyers, economists, politicians, bureaucrats and other people without any medical training whatsoever. At least here in Norway. That’s what you get when you mix the health of the people with profit.

One of the results of the ongoing centralization in the health sector so far is fewer hospitals (people have to travel much longer distances) with more patients put closer together in bigger buildings (also in corridors).

With Norway catching ‘the Italian version’ of coronavirus I think we’re in for a lesson of a lifetime. And I can’t stop thinking about the already suffering elders who’s been long time victims of political negligence and how this will turn out for them.

It’s like I’m observing in my country an atmosphere ruled by a total absence of any constructive understanding of the situation – combined with a lack of empathy that I think soon will turn into complete disbelief, shock, and cognitive dissonance in many people.

Several people are being seen braking their quarantine – at the store, at the gym, or skiing. If this continues, the government says, «We may have to use stronger measures.»

Yes, measures they should’ve started using weeks or months ago.


Update: 401 confirmed cases in Norway and my community had its first case yesterday; an individual who self-isolated after returning from Italy – a lot of Norwegains go skiing in Northern-Italy in their vacation.

[norman]

I am really at a loss of what to believe now. Sometimes i read stuff from people who think the whole Corona Virus is fearporn driven by the media and i agree with that because that is what is happening. Then other times i read stuff about the Corona Virus not being taken seriously by goverments and that its much more serious then what most people think and i tend to go with that. Its like both sides being true at the same time. But i choose to focus on the first option. I dont wanna be guided by fear so i think of it as just a flu and will do everything that i can to help my own immune system.

Just settle in the middle with "it's both".

Certainly if you are over 60. Young people seem to have little to worry about. Personally, I'm taking the threat to my life deadly seriously, I'm over 60.

The fact that there are two opposing camps about this just shows how juvenile the chatteratti on line is. This stuff is not a light weight boardgame of conspiracy family friendly fun for an hour or two while the telly cools off. There's a war for the future of humanity raging, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Neither side is ready to accept losing and the big boys toys are really coming out now.

Why can't the fake propaganda AND the virus be equally real. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Bill Ryan]

I am really at a loss of what to believe now. The real issue, in the coming weeks, is the likely collapse of every first world healthcare system through overload. (And the collapse of healthcare personnel, too.)

Then the fatality rate will increase markedly. Not just because of Covid-19, but because other critical situations like heart attacks, strokes, and even car accidents won't be able to be treated properly either. Even if you avoid Covid-19 completely, it won't be a good time to get appendicitis or a broken leg.

Italy, unluckily for them, is maybe a week or two ahead of the rest of Europe and the US. So this will happen in the Netherlands, too.

You'll watch it unfold around you, even if you suspect the motives of the press or the politicians. The crisis will still be real. (I'm a kind of "journalist" here, too. My only motive is to inform people of the truth of what's happening, and will happen, so they can make the best personal decisions they can.)

Do please watch the 10-minute interview below, where this Italian doctor, clearly a good man with zero agenda except to do the best he can for his patients, already has to make very hard decisions about whom to treat in intensive care.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrPHO-nkVE

[apokalypse]

i don't know if this is it...i had lucid dream couple of time my local area is like ghost town nobody and only few outside on the street. gonna be incredible if does happen.

[Bill Ryan]

The real issue, in the coming weeks, is the likely collapse of every first world healthcare system through overload. (And the collapse of healthcare personnel, too.)I posted the above before I'd read this from Angela Merkel just now.

Whatever you think of her personally, what she says here is correct. She has a doctorate in quantum chemistry and worked as a research scientist until she entered politics. What that means is that she understands the exponential math that's running riot here.

My source for her statement was this page (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates).

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Angela Merkel has said 60-70% of Germany’s population will be infected with Covid-19, unless measures can be found to slow down the spread and develop vaccines in the time won.

“When the virus is out there, the population has no immunity and no therapy exists, then 60 to 70% of the population will be infected,” the German chancellor told a news conference in Berlin on Wednesday morning.

Merkel said the main focus of her government’s measures were to avoid overwhelming health services, and advised other European countries to set similar priorities. She said:
“This is not about shutting ourselves off. This is about finding a mode of living where no health system in Europe is overwhelmed”.

[TrumanCash]

I have been assisting in the ordering of a machine from a Chinese factory in Luohe, a city about two hundred miles north of Wuhan. The factory sales rep was emailed five days ago when they were supposed to return to work after the Chinese New Year. This factory rep has always answered emails within two days in the past and has been very helpful.

So far there has been no communication from this sales rep or other factory person. We have no idea now whether we will be able to get the machine which was paid for and was supposed to be ready to ship by now. I am sure that there are a lot of other people and companies having the same problem.

So I think whatever is happening in China (coupled with articles on ZeroHedge and other sources), it appears to be quite serious.

I will update this post as the situation develops.

UPDATE: We finally got an email from the sales rep we have been dealing with at the Chinese machinery factory:



"Sorry to reply you late.

Because the China special time, we extend our holiday, plant to back office on 10th this month. When we start work, we will arrange the goods as soon as possible.

Sorry the special time cause inconvenience for you."

I wonder if they are required by the government to use the euphemism "special time" to refer to whatever is going on in China.

UPDATE: We received another email from the sales rep from the Chinese factory:



"Thank you, we believe that the special time will be over soon.

Our factory will start to work on 18th this month, then we will arrange the machine and parts as soon as quickly."

We were told right before the Chinese New Year holiday in mid-January that the factory would get started with our order on February 1st. This email today reveals that the euphemism "special time" was not in reference to the Chinese New Year but to the current viral outbreak in China.

Update: We have been informed by the sales rep for the factory that is custom building our machine that they have finished it except for an electrical plug that we can get in the US at Home Depot (for example). The factory is not in the Hubei province; it is about 200 miles north of Wuhan.

We were told five days ago that they don't have that particular plug and that the factory that makes those plugs has not gone back to work yet.

The next question is will it be shipped soon and do we need to disinfect the machine when we receive it? It has to go through US Customs when entering the US, so I'm wondering if Customs will be disinfecting everything coming into the US.

UPDATE: We received an email three days ago that the factory that made the 220 volt plug for the machine we ordered was still not back to work. So they could not wire the specific plug that we had already ordered and paid for. We told them to send the machine anyway without the plug since they are widely available in the US.

We received an answer this morning from the factory's sales rep that stated that our machine was ready to ship. She sent a picture of the wooden crate containing our machine (an herb grinder) that is ready to ship along with a couple docs we'll need for customs.

We are very happy with the service we received from the Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Co. which is in the Henan province in the city of Luohe. However, if it were not for Alibaba being very difficult to deal with we would have already received the machine since we attempted numerous times to order it back in early December. So we had to eventually bypass Alibaba and pay directly to the factory via PayPal, which we should have done at the onset.

I will continue to update this post as we follow the shipment to the US and then through customs.

UPDATE: The machine we ordered from Luohe, China (Henan Province) is being shipped and is currently in Dongguan according to FedEx. It's supposed to arrive in North Idaho on March 16th (guaranteed) but I'll be surprised if it gets here that fast.

However, according to this FedEx web page (https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/lac-latin-america/MVP/images/2020/Q3/LAC_EN_2020_2_web_pdf_NA_Customer_Facing_Service_Impact_service_alert_923409606.pdf) there is only a "Temporary Service Suspension" from Wuhan and Urumqi:




Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak and measures imposed by governments around the world, there are
currently unavoidable service impacts on both inbound and outbound FedEx and TNT shipments as outlined
below.
This information is provided for general guidance only. Due to the dynamic nature of the situation, the information
is subject to change without notice. We are closely monitoring the situation and will continue to provide updates
as they become available.

UPDATE: Our herb grinder (aka, hammermill) was shipped from Dongguan, then to Guangzhou and has now been flown to Japan at the Narita Station by the Narita Airport. So Fedex air freight from China appears to be mostly operational except from Wuhan and Urumqi.

[Bill Ryan]

I wrote in this post yesterday (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-COVID-19&p=1340045&viewfull=1#post1340045) about not even trying to list the many reasons why the Chinese statistics were still manifestly false. But here's one of many clear indicators. It comes from this page. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates)

It only takes a moment's thought to see self-evidently that if China really had solved its Covid-19 problems, they'd be wanting every citizen to be reporting exactly that to the world on the net, and no censorship would be needed any more. They'd be encouraging private reports of their crisis being over now.

(I hope all the strange characters in this message are visible to readers out there! :bigsmile: )

~~


Chinese webizens are turning to ever more inventive methods to evade online censorship and spread the first-hand account of a Wuhan physician on the frontline of tackling Covid-19, writing it backwards, translating it into English, and even producing a Braille version.

The article, which was published on WeChat by People Magazine on 10 March, was “immediately deleted across the entire network”, according to a report from Radio Free Asia.

But the deletions only began a game of cat and mouse with the censors, as users firstly began using classic methods, like sharing screenshots of the contents, and then moved on to more inventive ways of obfuscating the text, including translations into Braille, Morse Code, English and Emoji.

Here’s a sample sentence: ❤芬曾🌶🗾‍🥘1⃣份🧣💗肺👁病👤‍💦病☠检测‍🐆🗻，她用红色👊出“SARS冠☄病☠”字🐑，当‍).

Other approaches included rewriting the entire text backwards, or writing it in “Martian”, by replacing every character with visually similar alternatives – so that the passage “艾芬曾拿到过一份不明肺炎病人的病毒检测报告” becomes the nonsense text “哎棼缯拿箌过┅份钚明肺燚病亡啲病蝳检测报告”.

Eventually, RFA reports, even those articles were deleted.

[Pam]

Hospitals used to be runned by real doctors with competence and experience. Now they are being managed or directed by lawyers, economists, politicians, bureaucrats and other people without any medical training whatsoever. At least here in Norway. That’s what you get when you mix the health of the people with profit.

One of the results of the ongoing centralization in the health sector so far is fewer hospitals (people have to travel much longer distances) with more patients put closer together in bigger buildings (also in corridors).

With Norway catching ‘the Italian version’ of coronavirus I think we’re in for a lesson of a lifetime. And I can’t stop thinking about the already suffering elders who’s been long time victims of political negligence and how this will turn out for them.

It’s like I’m observing in my country an atmosphere ruled by a total absence of any constructive understanding of the situation – combined with a lack of empathy that I think soon will turn into complete disbelief, shock, and cognitive dissonance in many people.

Several people are being seen braking their quarantine – at the store, at the gym, or skiing. If this continues, the government says, «We may have to use stronger measures.»

Yes, measures they should’ve started using weeks or months ago.


Update: 401 confirmed cases in Norway and my community had its first case yesterday; an individual who self-isolated after returning from Italy – a lot of Norwegains go skiing in Northern-Italy in their vacation.

Sophocles, I have really appreciated your coverage of this event from Norway. You bring up a really good point. There will be all kinds of people breaking the voluntary quarantine policy. It will be so easy to rationalize in a million ways. The day late and a dollar short easy going PC philosophy is going to bite us in the butt.

One thing I can see clearly, I can NOT rely on my government for any kind of concise leadership in an emergency.

[Tintin]

Hello everyone,

speaking with our relatives in Italy, we found out their surprise, seeing american troops in combat gear going around our cities, without protective masks, and without minding the preventive measures (https://ilmanifesto.it/30mila-soldati-dagli-usa-in-europa-senza-mascherina/) which are in force in our country. This is while Italy has been raised to class 4 risk, that is, DO NOT go there. Except for about 20000 soldiers, that is. Do they have an antidote already? Hmmm...

Curiously, starting on Feb 21 and now at full steam ahead, a NATO joint military manoeuvre (Defender Europe 2020) is happening in Europe, right in the middle of the pandemic.

Alberto and Daniela

Now, that IS very interesting indeed.

My brother - in military service, still - and young family are based now in, yes, you've guessed it, Italy. Of course any details on his active manoeuvres can never be divulged but it may be possible I could find out whether there were any vaccination 'boosts' for troops based there recently. :sherlock:

(In other news, the family are in isolation at home and all appear to be well at the moment.)

[spade]

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1237036487151177728

Contrast this to CNN

(CNN)If you thought coronavirus was no big deal or if you thought it was going to go away, wake up.

Your life is about to change.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now

Would you prefer to believe CNN?

[Bill Ryan]

Professionally I am a licensed Physician in the state of Arizona.
[ ... ]
Bottom line: I can say with certainty that the CV is not an epidemic and will certainly not become a pandemic. But it already is. On both counts.

I don't mean this unkindly. I'm sure you're a very pleasant, well-meaning person.

But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility.

If I were in Arizona, and you were my licensed physician (assuming you're practicing, and are actively caring for and making decisions for the optimum welfare of your patients), knowing the publicly available information about this thing I'd not trust you to make any decisions on behalf of anyone I cared about.

On the contrary, you'd probably be responsible for the deaths of quite a few very innocent and trusting people. Please wake up. You may kill others with your attitude.

This is important. I mean every word I say here. Your blindness is frightening.

[Bill Ryan]

There are 6 new cases in Colombia. Only 6. But this is why this is important. This article below is the first I've seen anywhere about Venezuela, a further disaster waiting to happen to what is already a nation tottering on the brink of total collapse. (See this thread for more: Turmoil in Venezuela (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106012-Turmoil-in-Venezuela).)


https://reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-venezuela/buckets-for-toilets-recycled-gloves-venezuelan-hospitals-await-coronavirus-unprepared-idUSKBN20X2F1?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

Buckets for toilets, recycled gloves: Venezuelan hospitals await coronavirus unprepared
10 March, 2020

In a hospital in Venezuela’s western city of Maracaibo, chronic water shortages have left staff using paint buckets as toilets. With medical gloves in short supply, workers use the same pair on multiple patients.

Years of recession, hyperinflation, and underinvestment in public services have left Venezuela in poor condition to confront any cases of the coronavirus that is spreading rapidly worldwide. Its hospitals suffer from chronic shortages of medicine and supplies, as well as frequent lapses in electricity and running water.

So far, Latin America has been spared the worst ravages of the virus. Around 100 cases have been reported in the region since Brazil announced the first case on Feb. 26.

But - with neighboring Colombia confirming its first case last week - it is only a matter of time before it reaches Venezuela, officials say.

The Pan American Health Organization said last week it would be prioritizing Haiti, Venezuela and a handful of other Central and South American countries who have “more challenges to their health systems.”

Hania Salazar, president of Maracaibo’s nursing school in the western state of Zulia, said hospital workers have been without supplies for years.

“Workers bring their own kits with soap and towels, and their own water to drink and wash,” said Salazar.

“They also carry paint containers because here there is no hospital that has a bathroom in good condition.”

As in other parts of Venezuela, Zulia’s health system has hemorrhaged workers. Salazar said only emergency units were operating and workers often clock upwards of 18 hours a day.

Residents say a lack of access to water or affordable soap can make basic hygiene practices - needed to guard against the spread of the virus - out of reach for many.

“I am very concerned that in Venezuela there are no supplies, medicines, or even water in hospitals or homes,” said Josefina Moreno, a 50-year-old university professor with a history of respiratory disease. “The prevention measures that everyone is talking about are hard to comply with here.”

Gustavo Uribe, president of a medical school in the state of Tachira near the Colombian border, said hand-washing would be difficult due to water shortages.

“We’re asking everyone to comply with hygienic norms, but we all know about the precarity of the system,” he said. “The worry is that it will come here first, being by an international border.”

Vice President Delcy Rodriguez said on state television on Monday that the country was implementing “strict controls” at ports of entry and a series of protocols in health centers. The government has issued a list of hospitals charged with handling cases.

But some of those hospitals were not even open, said Douglas Leon, head of the Venezuelan Medical Federation.

“There is no hospital in Venezuela with capacity to attend to a patient with a condition as serious as this,” he told a news conference on Monday.

[Pam]

The title of this article is appropriate. A grim new milestone. Using the National Guard to create a sort of barrier is a ridiculous effort to try to contain this virus, but it is a great way to test the waters to see the public response to martial law.


US Coronavirus Outbreak Reaches Grim New Milestone As National Guard Arrives In Suburban New York: Live Updates


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-coronavirus-cases-pass-1000-national-guard-arrives-new-york-washington-bans-large

[Dave Hunnicutt]

Professionally I am a licensed Physician in the state of Arizona.
[ ... ]
Bottom line: I can say with certainty that the CV is not an epidemic and will certainly not become a pandemic. But it already is. On both counts.

I don't mean this unkindly. I'm sure you're a very pleasant, well-meaning person.

But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility.

If I were in Arizona, and you were my licensed physician (assuming you're practicing, and are actively caring for and making decisions for the optimum welfare of your patients), knowing the publicly available information about this thing I'd not trust you to make any decisions on behalf of anyone I cared about.

On the contrary, you'd probably be responsible for the deaths of quite a few very innocent and trusting people. Please wake up. You may kill others with your attitude.

This is important. I mean every word I say here. Your blindness is frightening.

For me, this has been the most frustrating part of this situation ... the total denial by MANY here in the USA. My best analysis is that this denial comforts people who are too weak to face hard truths. I see denial as a fear management mechanism. It does produce a short term calming effect.

There is also an arrogance factor to it. Many of the people who deny reality look down on us who are preparing. Some of them are motivated by thinking they are smarter than us and it makes them feel superior. The feeling of superiority in a time of crisis gives them comfort.

I believe a better approach is to prepare in a calm rational manner. It will give both a short term and long term calming effect. It is no guarantee. But, it costs little and does not take that much effort. In the long term, If wrong, I am out a little money and have extra food for a while. If I am right, my family has a chance.

Just seems like the prudent thing to do.

[waves]

Professionally I am a licensed Physician in the state of Arizona.
[ ... ]
Bottom line: I can say with certainty that the CV is not an epidemic and will certainly not become a pandemic. But it already is. On both counts.

I don't mean this unkindly. I'm sure you're a very pleasant, well-meaning person.

But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility.

If I were in Arizona, and you were my licensed physician (assuming you're practicing, and are actively caring for and making decisions for the optimum welfare of your patients), knowing the publicly available information about this thing I'd not trust you to make any decisions on behalf of anyone I cared about.

On the contrary, you'd probably be responsible for the deaths of quite a few very innocent and trusting people. Please wake up. You may kill others with your attitude.

This is important. I mean every word I say here. Your blindness is frightening.

I'm 100% with the minds seeing thru this psyop for a long list of very solid reasons.

Bill, after everything you've DEEPLY learned about the totally manipulated, corrupt system now with astounding technologies and looooooooong planned agendas, the vast deceptions and economic changing 30 year long now 'climate change' agenda/psyop, the incredible escalation the last few years of mass destruction/genocidal weather warfare around the globe in the forms of man made and targeted fires, tornados, floods, hurricanes, and especially the PREVIOUS fake pandemic scares.... that you wouldn't see the MOUNTAIN OF GLARING SIGNS of this gigantic psyop too!!!!!

ALL THE SIGNS ARE THERE. If there are any people really dying - WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO VERIFY FROM WHAT. The death/disease triggering warfare is HIGHLY DEVELOPED. It's naive to think this grand opportunity to test or MASS USE these technologies under this cloak of chaos would be missed, if not the purpose.

MORE THAN ANYTHING - to me this is a grand display of the dark system having finalized the purchase of EVERY significant newspaper, online news, cable/TV news, entertainment/players, radio stations PLUS censorship/elimination control of the internet as needed and having pushed the big button to cover every base all at once to sell this psyop. WE HAVE NO WAY TO VERIFY ANY 'report', 'statistic', etc. - they can lie about anything and have the power to repeat it on 1000's and 1000's of outlets around the world ... and people are unquestioningly buying what the repeatedly proven most corrupt, evil liars are printing face value!!!!

This is exactly what Dr. Shiva says: '...this will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!"

Well, it's a big try that will be triggering MILLIONS into chaos and great frustration, uprooting the stability of millions of good people all over the world who played by the rules OR if younger, will find themselves on the curb with their chosen path into the future having been destroyed... a good recipe for evil plans not going as planned. We'll see.

A PLAIN OLD LYSOL BOTTLE
NO BIGGER DEAL THAN THE REST OF THIS LIST
https://i.postimg.cc/0jmZhwYT/lysol-bottle.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Professionally I am a licensed Physician in the state of Arizona.
[ ... ]
Bottom line: I can say with certainty that the CV is not an epidemic and will certainly not become a pandemic. But it already is. On both counts.

I don't mean this unkindly. I'm sure you're a very pleasant, well-meaning person.

But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility.

If I were in Arizona, and you were my licensed physician (assuming you're practicing, and are actively caring for and making decisions for the optimum welfare of your patients), knowing the publicly available information about this thing I'd not trust you to make any decisions on behalf of anyone I cared about.

On the contrary, you'd probably be responsible for the deaths of quite a few very innocent and trusting people. Please wake up. You may kill others with your attitude.

This is important. I mean every word I say here. Your blindness is frightening.

I'm 100% with the minds seeing thru this psyop for a long list of very solid reasons.

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. :flower:

I'm not saying it's not a psy-op. I never have. I'm sure there is (and/or will be) a lot of Problem-Reaction-Solution — opportunistically at least, and designed from the beginning at worst.

If you want me to post my real suspicions, I can. But that's a different topic.

Regardless of how this started, or any agenda behind it, real people are suffering, and will suffer. This is not a Truman Show mirage.

Luke is 100% grossly irresponsible if he's a licensed physician and is (we may assume) going to turn people away who want a test, because (e.g.) they have all the symptoms and also have a frail, elderly relative living at home. That's pretty close to culpable medical malpractice.

Of course, Luke may not be in this position. Maybe he's not practicing as an MD. But it's frightening because he precisely represents a lot of medics in responsible positions who are.

He should be smart enough to do the math. But it seems he may not be, or not smart enough to see that he should do the math.

I'm pretty angry about that kind of head-in-the-sand, negligent attitude. It's all around us right now, from our senior politicians, to healthcare officials, to Joe and Jane Everyman in the street. In almost every first world country.

It helps absolutely no-one, while it may be causing a great deal of knock-on damage. The incompetence is staggering.

If I've seriously helped ONE person out there by posting what I did in reply to Luke, then I stand vindicated.

But what the real agendas may be, yes, I increasingly deeply suspect all kinds of things. I'm not a mainstream puppet. People should know me by now.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I found out yesterday that my sister and brother in law have the virus. They traveled to Florida on an airplane a week and a half ago to attend his father's funeral. Three days after returning they got sick. The doctor said they must just stay home and self isolate. It took almost a week to get the test results back and they would only test one of them. They have been giving me a day to day description of their sickness. I have been suggesting my herbal remedies. They are taking my suggestions.

Somewhere between what you read on line and what you hear on the news is the truth. The virus seems to spread very rapidly. They had on face masks and gloves on the plane but still got it. They were not around any other people other than the airport. The funeral was a closed affair, there is very little family. They are both healthy people so we will see. My sister has told me she has never had anything make her feel like this. A little humor (she loves Anne Rice books)....she said it was like changing from a human to a vampire, her body feels like it needs to empty and start over.

I am continuing to send healing vibes their way, I wish I were closer to them but then I would not go around them if I were so that would do little good. So far it is not contagious over SKYPE.

[Patient]

Professionally I am a licensed Physician in the state of Arizona.
[ ... ]
Bottom line: I can say with certainty that the CV is not an epidemic and will certainly not become a pandemic. But it already is. On both counts.

I don't mean this unkindly. I'm sure you're a very pleasant, well-meaning person.

But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility.

If I were in Arizona, and you were my licensed physician (assuming you're practicing, and are actively caring for and making decisions for the optimum welfare of your patients), knowing the publicly available information about this thing I'd not trust you to make any decisions on behalf of anyone I cared about.

On the contrary, you'd probably be responsible for the deaths of quite a few very innocent and trusting people. Please wake up. You may kill others with your attitude.

This is important. I mean every word I say here. Your blindness is frightening.

I'm 100% with the minds seeing thru this psyop for a long list of very solid reasons.

Bill, after everything you've DEEPLY learned about the totally manipulated, corrupt system now with astounding technologies and looooooooong planned agendas, the vast deceptions and economic changing 30 year long now 'climate change' agenda/psyop, the incredible escalation the last few years of mass destruction/genocidal weather warfare around the globe in the forms of man made and targeted fires, tornados, floods, hurricanes, and especially the PREVIOUS fake pandemic scares.... that you wouldn't see the MOUNTAIN OF GLARING SIGNS of this gigantic psyop too!!!!!

ALL THE SIGNS ARE THERE. If there are any people really dying - WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO VERIFY FROM WHAT. The death/disease triggering warfare is HIGHLY DEVELOPED. It's naive to think this grand opportunity to test or MASS USE these technologies under this cloak of chaos would be missed, if not the purpose.

MORE THAN ANYTHING - to me this is a grand display of the dark system having finalized the purchase of EVERY significant newspaper, online news, cable/TV news, entertainment/players, radio stations PLUS censorship/elimination control of the internet as needed and having pushed the big button to cover every base all at once to sell this psyop. WE HAVE NO WAY TO VERIFY ANY 'report', 'statistic', etc. - they can lie about anything and have the power to repeat it on 1000's and 1000's of outlets around the world ... and people are unquestioningly buying what the repeatedly proven most corrupt, evil liars are printing face value!!!!

This is exactly what Dr. Shiva says: '...this will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!"

Well, it's a big try that will be triggering MILLIONS into chaos and great frustration, uprooting the stability of millions of good people all over the world who played by the rules OR if younger, will find themselves on the curb with their chosen path into the future having been destroyed... a good recipe for evil plans not going as planned. We'll see.

A PLAIN OLD LYSOL BOTTLE
NO BIGGER DEAL THAN THE REST OF THIS LIST
https://i.postimg.cc/0jmZhwYT/lysol-bottle.jpg

I can understand why you have the opinion that you do. But at the same time, I do not see how you can discount every reported piece of info about the virus from every source.

I am sure some numbers are not accurate. I am sure that different agencies might take advantage of the situation and manipulate some things.

How about just taking care of yourself and apply logic for a regular heavy flu season.

Even if it is all fake (which is definately what I do not beleive), certain realities exist which we should react to. A bad flu season- take extra health precautions. If supplies of water or other items in stores are running low, then stock up for yourself.

Probably best to stay neutral and not tell others that it is a fake pandemic unless we know for sure.

Nothing wrong with being prepared for the worse while remaining with a positive outlook that there everything will be ok.

[norman]

Fake or Real, it's the same damned agenda. Keep your eyes on the ball.

[pyrangello]

Yeah I know a bunch of people who keep telling me stop listening to the news, its just like the regular flu ect ect ect. My wife is friends with someone in Italy, In the Naples area, His buddys sister just died of this a few days ago . Nobody will come to pick up the body, its been in there apartment for days and now the rest of the family has it. As soon as we start hearing about first hand accounts like this all this chatter about its not real, its overblown, get a life, will go away. As the stories will turn rapidly to first hand accounts.

Just like my buddy who was just here to visit, 3 weeks ago he was no I don't need anything stocked up at home to now since it entered michigan yesterday officially, I have to go to the store today, my my how things change when reality is at your door.

[Bill Ryan]

The WHO have just formally announced that this is a pandemic. Tedros has been giving a press briefing.

They really had to. They were in a public corner, with no public way out.

Whatever one calls it, all their advice has been woeful, lacking, and incompetent, from the very start. There's something deeply wrong with the organization, and something deeply wrong with Tedros. Every indication (and all evidence) points to his being a true communist, deeply in league with China.

If this was in a movie, the critics would dismiss that part of the storyboard as being too shallow, and lacking any interesting intrigue. It's all just too obvious. One doesn't even have to scratch one's head and think at all.

The announcement sent the Dow Jones index plummeting further. It's lost another 1,100+ points today, still falling.

[Bill Ryan]

My wife is friends with someone in Italy, In the Naples area, His buddys sister just died of this a few days ago . Nobody will come to pick up the body, its been in there apartment for days and now the rest of the family has it.I read about this earlier today. :flower: The poor man died several days ago, and his body is still there in the apartment — with his quarantined wife. No-one will come and remove it. She's been crying and wailing out of her window, and no-one can help.

This is a tiny, tiny story (but an awful personal tragedy), just a microcosm of the larger chaos all around. (Even worse things have happened in China.)


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/h_bc27abbe3ca4bd2d71593c5a2019c6a0

Woman in Italy is stuck with the body of her husband who died from coronavirus

An Italian woman has been unable to leave her apartment where her husband’s dead body is being kept due to quarantine restrictions, Giancarlo Canepa, mayor of Borghetto Santo Spirito, told CNN Tuesday.

The husband, who had tested positive for coronavirus previously, died Monday at 2 a.m. local time.

“Yes, it is true she is still there with the body and we won’t be able to remove it until Wednesday morning,“ the mayor said. Canepa said quarantine protocol states that no one is allowed to approach the body.
“Unfortunately, we have a security protocol we must follow,” he said. The mayor also said that the man refused to be taken to the local hospital for recovery, which led to this situation. “Otherwise, this wouldn’t have happened,” he said.The story made headlines in Italy as stories emerged of the wife’s despair at remaining locked up with her husband’s dead body for hours on end.

Local television station IVG.IT posted video interviews with the woman’s neighbors who had just found out that their neighbor had died.

“Right now the most important thing is to think about this lady, alone with the body of her husband … No one can come close to help her nor comfort her. We hope this is quickly resolved. Our thoughts are with her and on what she is living through,” the neighbor said on video and whose name was not made public.IVG.IT reported that the man’s family members are desperate and that his widow has been crying for help from her balcony.

[Caliban]

Look, I'm sure there are people suffering and dying and you/they all have my true and heartfelt sympathy.

But let me ask you this: Do you trust the TEST that they have for this thing? I believe they're using the PCR test ? I have read that it is very flawed and has never truly been tested itself in any kind of wide way.

What if "something's happening but you don't know what it is," Mr. Jones?

THE TEST THE TEST THE TEST THE TEST

This is a very important question, don't you think?

[Bill Ryan]

Look, I'm sure there are people suffering and dying and you/they all have my true and heartfelt sympathy.

But let me ask you this: Do you trust the TEST that they have for this thing? I believe they're using the PCR test ? Yes, it's clearly flawed — or has been, at least in some countries. The main problem seemed to have been false negatives, not false positives.

But as best I know (please correct me, anyone, if I'm wrong), each country with an outbreak has developed their own test kits in their own labs.

This isn't intended to be an impolite pushback — truly. I always very much respect and appreciate your many contributions. But it's literally impossible for me to understand how anyone can look at all the reports from round the world‚ including MANY MANY personal first-hand accounts, uncontrolled by any authority — and genuinely think there's nothing really happening out there.

[Baby Steps]

Just a titbit from a uk hospital

‘ we have started testing a small fraction of our staff who are symptomatic, some are infected, the epidemic appears to be more advanced than we thought’

This has got me wondering if the whole epidemic dynamic is false

We know a nine year old kid who died last November with an aggressive lung infection which started as flu. Nine year olds rarely die of this kind of thing.



Many people I know including myself, had a nasty bout of something in January including what could easily have been mild pneumonia.

Could it be that the statistics are being controlled by who is testing and how many tests are being done or available? After all normally the few deaths would disappear into the black hole of normal
Seasonal flu deaths so in effect hidden.

Could it be that the timing and location of positive test results is a key supporting element of a pre determined false narrative

Think of the money that could be made with prior knowledge

[Caliban]

Look, I'm sure there are people suffering and dying and you/they all have my true and heartfelt sympathy.

But let me ask you this: Do you trust the TEST that they have for this thing? I believe they're using the PCR test ? Yes, it's clearly flawed — or has been, at least in some countries. The main problem seemed to have been false negatives, not false positives.

But as best I know (please correct me, anyone, if I'm wrong), each country with an outbreak has developed their own test kits in their own labs.

This isn't intended to be an impolite pushback — truly. I always very much respect and appreciate your many contributions. But it's literally impossible for me to understand how anyone can look at all the reports from round the world‚ including MANY MANY personal first-hand accounts, uncontrolled by any authority — and genuinely think there's nothing really happening out there.

Bill, I didn't say there's "nothing really happening out there." Merely that what is happening is most likely not all the "Covid19" or whatever the name they're giving it. If the test is severely flawed, how do we trust that there's a true "epidemic" ? And if there are a score of "test kits," which one should we trust? All? Some?

We need, in my opinion, to work from that likely reality, outward, in terms of trying to understand what might be going on.

[Satori]

Look, I'm sure there are people suffering and dying and you/they all have my true and heartfelt sympathy.

But let me ask you this: Do you trust the TEST that they have for this thing? I believe they're using the PCR test ? I have read that it is very flawed and has never truly been tested itself in any kind of wide way.

What if "something's happening but you don't know what it is," Mr. Jones?

THE TEST THE TEST THE TEST THE TEST

This is a very important question, don't you think?

Yes this is an important question.

Another important question is: Is, as many people with credentials claim, the COVID19 a bio weapon that was released either accidentally or intentionally?

If the answer to that question is reliably established to be "yes", then we should all be as mad as hell and not willing to take it any more.

Then the questions becomes: What do we do about it?

But, I for one doubt that the first question will ever be reliably answered to the satisfaction of enough people, and certainly not to the satisfaction of the elected and appointed "officials" and "representatives" who are in a position to act on the matter. So, nothing will be done to hold the responsible parties accountable and innocent people will continue to suffer to one degree or another--as usual.

Personally, given my somewhat extensive research, I believe it is a bio-weapon. Whether I'm right or wrong about that makes no difference as the world suffers through this. But could it make a difference when this passes?

Being the skeptic and cynic that I am, I also believe no one actually responsible will be held accountable, and if some are, they will be the low hanging fruit and the true guilty parties at the highest levels of policy and decision making will skate on by free as a bird.

[Tomkoyote]

I said in my previous posts (#348,549,624) that this whole thing did not make sense, of course it does not make sense but in fact it does makes sense - it's logical. This whole thing has been pre-programmed where China is NOT a victim, but a player who played the opening ceremony; once china has played its role and stepped back, the sinister game is unfolding in other countries who are accomplices not victims. Some even predicted the end of the Chinese gov. This is silly. Today, the Chinese gov is stronger than before, I am not talking about the chinese citizens, they count for nothing, disposable resources, just as we all are.. Wait a few months and you'll see clearer.

In a video posted earlier here, a doc (Richard Cheng) found out that high doses of Vit C does the trick. I am also convinced that there are other products much less known but just as effective if not more effective and probably cheaper. Has anyone seen or heard governments tripping on each other to disseminate this info and make ascorbic acid or any effective solution available to their population instead of forcing their cattle to wear masks and isolate themselves? Is the Italian gov a victim? NO - they are part of this f*****g scam; instead of making effective solutions available to the public, they are forcing their cattle to wear masks, quarantine and live in fear. Same s**t in Canada, US, south american countries, and everywhere else.
The bottom line is this virus is contagious, yes, BUT it is very stoppable, it can be stopped in its track in a few days and with a lot. I mean a lot, less resources than what have been deployed to manufacture this whole scenario. The only way it cannot be stopped is by doing the wrong and stupid things like wear masks, isolate yourself, use hand sanitizer, stock up on toilet paper...
The future is no good. Will come a day when they the gov will dictate every aspect of our life all the way down to what to eat and how to take a piss.
Does it make sense to forbid passengers to board a plane with a bottle of water? No it does not, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever, not on this planet not on any other planet except to enslave us. Much much more of the same is on the way.

[Frank V]

Look, I'm sure there are people suffering and dying and you/they all have my true and heartfelt sympathy.

But let me ask you this: Do you trust the TEST that they have for this thing? I believe they're using the PCR test ? Yes, it's clearly flawed — or has been, at least in some countries. The main problem seemed to have been false negatives, not false positives.

But as best I know (please correct me, anyone, if I'm wrong), each country with an outbreak has developed their own test kits in their own labs.

This isn't intended to be an impolite pushback — truly. I always very much respect and appreciate your many contributions. But it's literally impossible for me to understand how anyone can look at all the reports from round the world‚ including MANY MANY personal first-hand accounts, uncontrolled by any authority — and genuinely think there's nothing really happening out there.

I second Bill's sentiments in this. Whether this virus was a biological weapon or not ─ and if that is the case, whether it was deployed on purpose or whether it simply escaped through some act of negligence ─ it doesn't matter one bit. The virus is real, and the pandemic is real. People are effectively dying of this virus.

As of today, we've got two confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 here in Belgium, and Belgian researchers at the University of Brussels are working on a vaccine, but it's still only a very preliminary test on mice. But like Bill said, it could take months if not a whole year before a really usable vaccine becomes available. And considering how the disease itself necessitates a quarantine and therefore hampers global distribution, the vaccine might actually arrive too late.

It's all so easy to jerk one's knees and shout "Conspiracy!" or "Lies!" ─ especially for US Americans, of whom many still don't seem to recognize that the USA is not the only nation in the world, and that other nations also have their own news-gathering services and their own medical and other scientific laboratories ─ and to either fall into the scaremongering from tasteless individuals on the internet who upload images and video clips from disaster movies about pandemics and then pretend that they are actual images and video footage of what is going on in Wuhan, or to dismiss it all as a hoax because you don't trust the reports in the media. And that is especially the case if you haven't had any education in the field of medicine or biology.

And this is why the mainstream won't take our kind of research seriously. The sad truth is that the alternative community is its own worst enemy. Instead of having an open mind but looking at actual evidence, the evidence is dismissed with knee-jerk reactions and/or paranoia from people who don't know what they're talking about.

Please people, educate yourselves. The means to do so are available for free on the internet, if only you would be willing to look. Jerking your knees isn't going to provide you with any answers. Scientific research ─ in all kinds of fields ─ is available to you. So do look at it and read it.

I'll leave you with these wise words...



"Everyone will readily believe any quote they read on the internet if it agrees with their preconceived notions."

(Martin Luther King)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, I didn't say there's "nothing really happening out there." Merely that what is happening is most likely not all the "Covid19" or whatever the name they're giving it. If the test is severely flawed, how do we trust that there's a true "epidemic" ? My best answer is to listen to this Italian professor, clearly a good man. Just 10 minutes.

Please do that. It's an excellent interview, and the guy's English is perfect. He simply shares what he's been dealing with all around him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrPHO-nkVE
It doesn't matter what you call the thing. Even if it's a very severe and very contagious strain of regular flu or viral pneumonia (which as best I understand, from all the public information available including that in medical journals, it's certainly not), the effects on the ground are the same.

It's a pragmatic problem to solve. Regardless of any agendas behind it. Dr Nick Begich lays it out perfectly at the very start of this new interview with Daniel Liszt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYUPV0LF0w).

This is the issue: it's the rate of growth of infections (of whatever you want to call it! It's certainly something) that will overwhelm the healthcare systems. As I said a few hours ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-COVID-19&p=1340181&viewfull=1#post1340181), it's not a good time to have a heart attack, a stroke, a car accident, appendicitis, or a broken leg. The hospital beds will all be full.

[betoobig]

US army is now in Italy and this is running through facebook, an italian woman shared photos and this (it´s in italian but if you have facebook account you can find her.
Dariasa Domínguez
10 h

Condivido.

È arrivato l'esercito americano.

"QUALCOSA STA ACCADENDO.

Ed io non me lo spiego...

Mentre in italia i titoli di giornali, le trasmissioni ed i social sono invasi dall’ormai tanto discusso “coronavirus”, proprio in queste ore
20.000 soldati statunitensi stanno sbarcando in ben 7 aeroporti europei e si andranno a sommare ad altri 10.000 militari statunitensi già presenti in Europa e ad altri 7000 militari provenienti da diversi Paesi europei.

Un totale di 37000 militari armati per quale scopo?
Per aiutare gli stati nel bloccare questo tanto esaltato virus o soccorrere chi lo ha contratto?
Assolutamente no!!!

Sono arrivati per dislocarsi o, usando parole degli alti ufficiali USA per “diffondersi” sul territorio europeo per dare inizio alla “Europe Defender 20” che inizierà ad aprile e dovrebbe concludersi a luglio!!

I cittadini sono stati informati di cosa sia? Ovviamente no!

La “Europe Defender 20” è un’esercitazione ideata dal governo USA in collaborazione con la NATO per “provare” le strategie da adoperare da parte di USA ed Europa (che si riconferma la sua sudditanza agli USA) QUALORA vi si inneschi una minaccia che porti ad una ipotetica guerra.

Minaccia da parte di chi?
Ovviamente gli ufficiali USA glissano sulla risposta senza fare precisazioni ed usando la frase generica “ipotetica minaccia”.
Ovviamente l’unica ipotetica minaccia che si può attribuire al pensiero USA è la Russia (alleata della Cina) con la quale da tempo stanno volontariamente creando grosse tensioni.

Ma analizziamo la cosa.
Per questa esercitazione, oltre ai 37000 militari, verranno importati ben 14000 mezzi militari (quindi carri armati, elicotteri ecc...) ed in proporzione altrettante munizioni.

Quindi visto il “virus”: i soldati arriveranno con le dovute mascherine e accortezze per fare questa “esercitazione”?
Ovviamente no!!!

Secondo gli ufficiali USA questi soldati sono sani pertanto SECONDO LORO sono esenti dal contrarre il “coronavirus”.

Qualcosa non torna!!!

Viene da chiedersi
- perché essendo solo un’esercitazione non viene rinviata vista la nota dell’OMS in merito alla diffusione di questo virus ed al caos mediatico, sociale,sanitario, politico ed economico che esso sta generando nel mondo?
- Perchè i cittadini possono contrarre questo virus ed i militari USA invece possono circolare senza problemi?
- Perché si è deciso di condurre geograficamente questa esercitazione in una posizione che prevederebbe proprio un ipotetico conflitto con la Russia e non in altre zone che guardano altri orizzonti?
- Perchè il 95% dei media non ne parla?
- Perché tutti gli esponenti della politica italiana non ne parlano?
- Se i soldati sono esenti, vuol dire che il virus non è quello che si sta tanto esaltando oppure esiste già la possibilità di un vaccino e quindi di rendere un essere umano immune e non viene detto?
- Se dei soldati statunitensi dovessero contrarre il virus, non diventerebbero loro stessi una causa esponenziale di espansione del virus?

A questa esercitazione la Russia ha posto numerose domande alle quali non ha ottenuto risposta e sulla base di questo ha già affermato che manterrà in allerta la propria posizione militare entro i propri confini il che non preclude uno scenario così rassicurante con due schieramenti armati: esercitazione o meno che sia.

Ricapitolando:
la Cina, alleata della Russia stipula mesi fa un contratto con l’Italia (Paese fondamentale per l’Europa per i rapporti legati al commercio sul Mediterraneo e per la sua posizione strategica qualora vi fossero conflitti) per rendere solidi e più importanti le relazioni commerciali tra italia e Cina e rendendo meno importante ma non insignificante il potere dell’America sull’Italia.

Da qui inizia il suo corso il coronavirus che parte dalla Cina ma esplode incredibilmente in Italia non solo da un punto di vista sanitario ma soprattutto alimentato dai media mondiali nonostante il caso scatenante non sia legato ad un italiano.

Cina e Russia sono ormai da anni le avversarie commerciali indiscusse degli USA perché la loro importanza annacqua di gran lunga il monopolio del dollaro sul mercato globale e questo, agli USA, sta creando non poca perdita di potere sia sul piano economico che geopolitico.

Da tempo l’America fa di tutto per provocare la Russia con movimenti di mercato e dislocazioni militari su tutto ciò che va a toccare gli interessi commerciali e geopolitici della stessa.

Ora, mentre i cittadini del mondo vengono proiettati con gli occhi e le orecchie sull’Europa, sulla Cina e sull’Italia, l’America invece , senza dar peso alcuno al caos che oggettivamente esiste attualmente in merito ad un virus sul quale anche i virologi dicono cose diametralmente opposte, decide di portare avanti senza se e senza ma un’esercitazione che, se così fosse, poteva essere tranquillamente rinviata ad un periodo più tranquillo.

Quindi perché tanta pressione per far arrivare nonostante tutto in Europa soldati americani armati e armamenti in quantità allarmanti per una SEMPLICE esercitazione e sapendo che questo innesca nella Russia un alto livello di allerta?

Il fenomeno “coronavirus” è uno strumento utile a distrarre e preparare una larga parte dei cittadini del Mondo a qualcosa di più importante che deve accadere o che qualcuno si sta preparando per far accadere e che non ha a che fare con la soluzione di un virus influenzale ma con una rottura nel sistema geopolitico globale.

Qualcosa sta accadendo e non si tratta di complottismo ma di fatti geopolitici che si stanno verificando e che sono verificabili già in queste ore in 7 paesi europei.

Questo è l’argomento su cui ci si dovrebbe chiedere."

...and another user shared this which explains what they´re doing in Italy

Michael Hilsher (is the user who posted, anyone with facebook account can check)
1 h

Military Intelligence operation under Trumpster Masterfully using Executive Orders they created to REVERSE GAME a WIN over the NOW HUNTED DEEP STATE ! Brilliant ! Using the same Smith Mundtz Act Obamanation put in NDAA intended to be maliciously enforced against We The People.

They were going to use " legally " Fake News to GASLIGHT the Public before marching -- Innocent Women - Children and Men and God Fearing saints --- We The People ---- into FEMA Camps after a false flag event.

The Hunters BECOME the Hunted. This BEER Virus has been REVERSE ENGINEERED as a False Flag event ( REVERSED ) to Quarantine heavily Targeted INDICTMENT AREAS now used for mass arrest of the evils. Such as roach infested Human Trafficking " Tunnel " areas like Clooooony Villa Itally - The Vatican and Royal Snake Blood Family.

In greco roman olympian wrestling we call it a REVERSAL. Once about to get pinned ( by deep state false flag ) to the mat you REVERSE and are now in control and IN POSITION to WIN the match.

You are WITNESSING in Real Time the REMOVAL of the Old Guard for the RESET back to the GOLD STANDARD Currencies. 5 Dimensional Chess Game between deep state black hats and White Hat Patriots has FINALLY CHECKMATED Luciferian Cabal Financial SYSTEMS Worldwide !!!

ALL that has been held back and BLOCKED by the corrupt FIAT Currency Systems is giving way to God's RIGHTEOUS Right Hand for KINGDOM ADVANCEMENT and ESTABLISHMENT !! Original Constitution written for Power back to ---- We The People ( not Federalized Constitution ) --- RETURNING with Prosperity - Freedom - and the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NEEDED for the long overdue HARVEST OF SOULS WORLDWIDE !

[mountain_jim]

At this late hour, has anyone located a online source of appropriate face masks with current inventory in stock that's not made in china, not dust masks, etc.?

I searched amazon and this thread, but only ones I found were $100 a bundle. Still gloves available it appears.

[Caliban]

I second Bill's sentiments in this. Whether this virus was a biological weapon or not ─ and if that is the case, whether it was deployed on purpose or whether it simply escaped through some act of negligence ─ it doesn't matter one bit. The virus is real, and the pandemic is real. People are effectively dying of this virus.

As of today, we've got two confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 here in Belgium, and Belgian researchers at the University of Brussels are working on a vaccine, but it's still only a very preliminary test on mice. But like Bill said, it could take months if not a whole year before a really usable vaccine becomes available. And considering how the disease itself necessitates a quarantine and therefore hampers global distribution, the vaccine might actually arrive too late.


Thanks for reminding us that other nations exist in the world. And I always thought the Mona Lisa was in the Met in New York.

If you're seriously waiting in line to take the "vaccine" they develop -- with I'm sure no testing as usual -- I wish you the best of luck.

Again, no one is saying that people are NOT getting sick. And whether we're in the U.S. or elsewhere, we have the right to ask questions, on and on and on.

[Bill Ryan]

At this late hour, has anyone located a online source of appropriate face masks with current inventory in stock that's not made in china, not dust masks, etc.?

I searched amazon and this thread, but only ones I found were $100 a bundle. Still gloves available it appears.I believe there are some masks, of various kinds, in Mike Adams' https://healthrangerstore.com. (https://healthrangerstore.com)

[Patient]

US army is now in Italy and this is running through facebook, an italian woman shared photos and this (it´s in italian but if you have facebook account you can find her.
Dariasa Domínguez
10 h

Condivido.

È arrivato l'esercito americano.

"QUALCOSA STA ACCADENDO.

Ed io non me lo spiego...

Mentre in italia i titoli di giornali, le trasmissioni ed i social sono invasi dall’ormai tanto discusso “coronavirus”, proprio in queste ore
20.000 soldati statunitensi stanno sbarcando in ben 7 aeroporti europei e si andranno a sommare ad altri 10.000 militari statunitensi già presenti in Europa e ad altri 7000 militari provenienti da diversi Paesi europei.

Un totale di 37000 militari armati per quale scopo?
Per aiutare gli stati nel bloccare questo tanto esaltato virus o soccorrere chi lo ha contratto?
Assolutamente no!!!

Sono arrivati per dislocarsi o, usando parole degli alti ufficiali USA per “diffondersi” sul territorio europeo per dare inizio alla “Europe Defender 20” che inizierà ad aprile e dovrebbe concludersi a luglio!!

I cittadini sono stati informati di cosa sia? Ovviamente no!

La “Europe Defender 20” è un’esercitazione ideata dal governo USA in collaborazione con la NATO per “provare” le strategie da adoperare da parte di USA ed Europa (che si riconferma la sua sudditanza agli USA) QUALORA vi si inneschi una minaccia che porti ad una ipotetica guerra.

Minaccia da parte di chi?
Ovviamente gli ufficiali USA glissano sulla risposta senza fare precisazioni ed usando la frase generica “ipotetica minaccia”.
Ovviamente l’unica ipotetica minaccia che si può attribuire al pensiero USA è la Russia (alleata della Cina) con la quale da tempo stanno volontariamente creando grosse tensioni.

Ma analizziamo la cosa.
Per questa esercitazione, oltre ai 37000 militari, verranno importati ben 14000 mezzi militari (quindi carri armati, elicotteri ecc...) ed in proporzione altrettante munizioni.

Quindi visto il “virus”: i soldati arriveranno con le dovute mascherine e accortezze per fare questa “esercitazione”?
Ovviamente no!!!

Secondo gli ufficiali USA questi soldati sono sani pertanto SECONDO LORO sono esenti dal contrarre il “coronavirus”.

Qualcosa non torna!!!

Viene da chiedersi
- perché essendo solo un’esercitazione non viene rinviata vista la nota dell’OMS in merito alla diffusione di questo virus ed al caos mediatico, sociale,sanitario, politico ed economico che esso sta generando nel mondo?
- Perchè i cittadini possono contrarre questo virus ed i militari USA invece possono circolare senza problemi?
- Perché si è deciso di condurre geograficamente questa esercitazione in una posizione che prevederebbe proprio un ipotetico conflitto con la Russia e non in altre zone che guardano altri orizzonti?
- Perchè il 95% dei media non ne parla?
- Perché tutti gli esponenti della politica italiana non ne parlano?
- Se i soldati sono esenti, vuol dire che il virus non è quello che si sta tanto esaltando oppure esiste già la possibilità di un vaccino e quindi di rendere un essere umano immune e non viene detto?
- Se dei soldati statunitensi dovessero contrarre il virus, non diventerebbero loro stessi una causa esponenziale di espansione del virus?

A questa esercitazione la Russia ha posto numerose domande alle quali non ha ottenuto risposta e sulla base di questo ha già affermato che manterrà in allerta la propria posizione militare entro i propri confini il che non preclude uno scenario così rassicurante con due schieramenti armati: esercitazione o meno che sia.

Ricapitolando:
la Cina, alleata della Russia stipula mesi fa un contratto con l’Italia (Paese fondamentale per l’Europa per i rapporti legati al commercio sul Mediterraneo e per la sua posizione strategica qualora vi fossero conflitti) per rendere solidi e più importanti le relazioni commerciali tra italia e Cina e rendendo meno importante ma non insignificante il potere dell’America sull’Italia.

Da qui inizia il suo corso il coronavirus che parte dalla Cina ma esplode incredibilmente in Italia non solo da un punto di vista sanitario ma soprattutto alimentato dai media mondiali nonostante il caso scatenante non sia legato ad un italiano.

Cina e Russia sono ormai da anni le avversarie commerciali indiscusse degli USA perché la loro importanza annacqua di gran lunga il monopolio del dollaro sul mercato globale e questo, agli USA, sta creando non poca perdita di potere sia sul piano economico che geopolitico.

Da tempo l’America fa di tutto per provocare la Russia con movimenti di mercato e dislocazioni militari su tutto ciò che va a toccare gli interessi commerciali e geopolitici della stessa.

Ora, mentre i cittadini del mondo vengono proiettati con gli occhi e le orecchie sull’Europa, sulla Cina e sull’Italia, l’America invece , senza dar peso alcuno al caos che oggettivamente esiste attualmente in merito ad un virus sul quale anche i virologi dicono cose diametralmente opposte, decide di portare avanti senza se e senza ma un’esercitazione che, se così fosse, poteva essere tranquillamente rinviata ad un periodo più tranquillo.

Quindi perché tanta pressione per far arrivare nonostante tutto in Europa soldati americani armati e armamenti in quantità allarmanti per una SEMPLICE esercitazione e sapendo che questo innesca nella Russia un alto livello di allerta?

Il fenomeno “coronavirus” è uno strumento utile a distrarre e preparare una larga parte dei cittadini del Mondo a qualcosa di più importante che deve accadere o che qualcuno si sta preparando per far accadere e che non ha a che fare con la soluzione di un virus influenzale ma con una rottura nel sistema geopolitico globale.

Qualcosa sta accadendo e non si tratta di complottismo ma di fatti geopolitici che si stanno verificando e che sono verificabili già in queste ore in 7 paesi europei.

Questo è l’argomento su cui ci si dovrebbe chiedere."

...and another user shared this which explains what they´re doing in Italy

Michael Hilsher (is the user who posted, anyone with facebook account can check)
1 h

Military Intelligence operation under Trumpster Masterfully using Executive Orders they created to REVERSE GAME a WIN over the NOW HUNTED DEEP STATE ! Brilliant ! Using the same Smith Mundtz Act Obamanation put in NDAA intended to be maliciously enforced against We The People.

They were going to use " legally " Fake News to GASLIGHT the Public before marching -- Innocent Women - Children and Men and God Fearing saints --- We The People ---- into FEMA Camps after a false flag event.

The Hunters BECOME the Hunted. This BEER Virus has been REVERSE ENGINEERED as a False Flag event ( REVERSED ) to Quarantine heavily Targeted INDICTMENT AREAS now used for mass arrest of the evils. Such as roach infested Human Trafficking " Tunnel " areas like Clooooony Villa Itally - The Vatican and Royal Snake Blood Family.

In greco roman olympian wrestling we call it a REVERSAL. Once about to get pinned ( by deep state false flag ) to the mat you REVERSE and are now in control and IN POSITION to WIN the match.

You are WITNESSING in Real Time the REMOVAL of the Old Guard for the RESET back to the GOLD STANDARD Currencies. 5 Dimensional Chess Game between deep state black hats and White Hat Patriots has FINALLY CHECKMATED Luciferian Cabal Financial SYSTEMS Worldwide !!!

ALL that has been held back and BLOCKED by the corrupt FIAT Currency Systems is giving way to God's RIGHTEOUS Right Hand for KINGDOM ADVANCEMENT and ESTABLISHMENT !! Original Constitution written for Power back to ---- We The People ( not Federalized Constitution ) --- RETURNING with Prosperity - Freedom - and the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NEEDED for the long overdue HARVEST OF SOULS WORLDWIDE !

Interesting - I was just writing a response to a post above to the effect that the end result could be the public revolting against itself in an attempt to find the guilty party responsible for the virus and the California and Australia fires (plus whatever else is thrown at us next.)

[snoman]

from the BBC

Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus

The head of the medical association in the northern Italian province of Varese, Roberto Stella, 67, has died of respiratory failure after contracting coronavirus.

He had been practising medicine at an outpatient clinic in Busto Arsizio, north-west of Milan, and Italian reports say he and a colleague were infected at the weekend.

Varese is in the Lombardy region, which has been at the centre of Italy's coronavirus outbreak.

That is quick. less than 5 days after contracting the virus and he's dead.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

An important point Michael Osterholm makes in his interview with Joe Rogan is that this is an airborne virus. Washing hands is not an effective way to prevent transmission but is being encouraged so that people feel as if they are “doing something”! Also common surgical masks are only effective at preventing wearer from spreading virus, not keeping the wearer safe from virus. Our local school district, despite a confirmed case at a middle school remains open, telling public to wash their hands. This is how it goes until the “boom” ....case, case, case, cluster, cluster, Boom!

[WildOrchid]

At this late hour, has anyone located a online source of appropriate face masks with current inventory in stock that's not made in china, not dust masks, etc.?

I searched amazon and this thread, but only ones I found were $100 a bundle. Still gloves available it appears.I believe there are some masks, of various kinds, in Mike Adams' https://healthrangerstore.com. (https://healthrangerstore.com)


Made them myself as stores were sold out or shipped off to China.
They are easy to make... tutorial links below....

DIY face masks in 10 seconds & improve cheaper masks
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DIY: How to Make Your Own Medical/Surgical FACE MASK Tutorial
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DIY: Homemade Colloidal Silver Water
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[Bill Ryan]

from the BBC

Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus

The head of the medical association in the northern Italian province of Varese, Roberto Stella, 67, has died of respiratory failure after contracting coronavirus.
He had been practising medicine at an outpatient clinic in Busto Arsizio, north-west of Milan, and Italian reports say he and a colleague were infected at the weekend.
Varese is in the Lombardy region, which has been at the centre of Italy's coronavirus outbreak.That is quick. less than 5 days after contracting the virus and he's dead.Thanks. I'd not seen that. That's pretty tragic. And alarming, too.

Doubters and skeptics, please listen up. Again, I say this with no personal malice here to anyone.


He didn't have flu.
He didn't have 'nothing'.
He was a medical professional. He knew what the hell he was doing.
There's no 5G in Busto Arsizio. You can check that here (https://www.nperf.com/en/map/IT/3181355.Busto-Arsizio/143640.Iliad/signal/).

[Sarah Rainsong]

DIY: Homemade Colloidal Silver Water
MMe171oUR0A

Thank you! I was literally just fixing to search PA on how to make colloidal silver!

[araucaria]

An Asterix Comic book from 2017 has Asterix pitted against CORONAVIRUS in ITALY. Coronavirus is the bad guy (obviously.)

42733

Woooaah !! .. How is this possible ?
Very easy! 1) These comic books are about Romans, who come from… Italy. Also about Gauls, who come from Gaul. 2) All the Romans in the books (this is number 37) have Latin names – no surprise there; it has always been designed as a major source of laughs. To get the laughs, the authors need to be clever and inventive. On the same page you have Lupus Garum and Lactus Bifidus. 3) Today you will get literally 6.67 billion google hits, but Coronaviruses weren’t born yesterday. Some humans weren’t either, but you won’t always get to hear about them. Many things older than last year tend to get forgotten. 4) The character is a baddy, ergo give him a nasty name. His henchman is called Bacillus. 5) The publishers in this case had no prior information about an epidemic three years in the future. Just a coincidence waiting to happen.

I am quite familiar with the workings of synchronicity through my own personal artworks, they have revealed many future personal events and events affecting us all, including the coronavirus. The very nature of creativity puts us in mental states that have greater access to the collective unconscious, similar states can be accessed through disciplines such as meditation. Karl Jung wrote extensively on this and a lot of his ideas were developed with the quantum physicist Wolfgang Pauli. Of course, quantum physics has taken us out of the Newtonian linear view of time, in quantum physics time is appreciated as an illusion. The waves of major traumatic events will bleed into the past as must as they do into the future.

I also find it annoying when people always jump to a relationship of synchronicities to conspiracies. That the only way an artwork can be predictive is if the person had been informed of some nefarious groups plans. The world is far more mysterious than many realise.
Thank you for this, I totally get where you are coming from. I was addressing the suggestion of insider knowledge that may or may not have been intended. However, I think you may be confusing synchronicity with precognition. The idea that a notion cited billions of times in a short time period in the future is a matter of precognition. Someone like Cliff High even uses software for linguistic analysis to predict such occurrences, so in theory there is nothing especially woo-woo about it.

However, in my understanding, synchronicity is a coincidence between the inner world and the world outside; as the name suggests, almost simultaneous; time is not necessarily reversed, but the outside event has to happen afterwards in order for the coincidence to be perceived as meaningful. Perhaps it’s just me, but synchronicity is generally a complex and positive event. Sometimes it can be rationalized simply as an “all’s well with the world” feeling – rather like when science becomes predictive, it makes a theory more plausible. In other words, it is a life-boosting effect when my individual life suddenly connects with a collective life “out there”.

What this means in the present instance is that precognition of a virus may be a part of the viral problem. Basically one has caught the bug before anyone else. We should understand the basic premise here, in an age when “going viral” is the greatest ambition of many a keyboard warrior. I would say, we need to relearn the ability to speak to just one person – tell them we love them – or just two or three – maybe our kids, or maybe a few more (contribution to the local community). Et cetera. This means that we need to improve our “hygiene” in matters of communication. The equivalent of “washing your hands frequently in hot water for the time it takes to sing ’Happy Birthday’ twice” (definition courtesy B. Johnson) might be to keep a lot of dodgy stuff to ourselves instead of broadcastng it urbi et orbi.

The problematical paradox of nonlinear time would then be that of the ouroboros, the snake biting its own tail: something happens because it was discovered it will happen; this discovery was made because it happened in the future. One famous example in the alternative media would be the case of Dolores Cannon, who channelled Nostradamus in the act of… channelling Dolores Cannon. What the meat of the exchange would be is up for grabs.

In light of the above, the cure for the epidemic would seem to lie in people mentally washing their hands, mentally self-isolating or at least avoiding obvious risks of mental contagion. Speaking of Jung, the phrase “collective psychosis” comes to mind. Positive thoughts are not contagious in this way: they tend to be individualized and all the stronger for it. There are things we need to know without dwelling on them. The difference between the owner of a clean house and the owner of an insalubrious one is not that the former cannot take the sh!t: on the contrary he is the one that deals with it much more quickly – before switching on the fan 

[WildOrchid]

Bill Ryan featured on the SGT report:
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[Caliban]

Personally, given my somewhat extensive research, I believe it is a bio-weapon. Whether I'm right or wrong about that makes no difference as the world suffers through this. But could it make a difference when this passes?

Being the skeptic and cynic that I am, I also believe no one actually responsible will be held accountable, and if some are, they will be the low hanging fruit and the true guilty parties at the highest levels of policy and decision making will skate on by free as a bird.

Robert David Steele agrees with you. Here he is -- reaching out "directly" to Trump, below.

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In response to a comment he says:

Jon Rappoport is a TOP MIND on this subject, the President should have him on a small team fixing this, not the corrupt morons at CDC. This was an act of war, a fake low bio virus plus 5G combined with a massive media war and govenrment stupidity (over-reaction). Trump seems to not be in the attack/intelligence mode, that will hurt us all.

[mgray]

I interviewed two infectious disease experts on the coronavirus outbreak. Here's the post (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/03/11/experts-talk-candidly-about-covid-19-outbreak/)

[ExomatrixTV]

The W.H.O. (Finally!) Declares Coronavirus A "Pandemic":
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Just a few thoughts I have that came to mind:



So it is "official" now ... is that the perfect excuse they need for Global Martial Law?
Anything goes to "protect" the "innocent" bs?
What will people do if military is used to "save" or "protect" us domestically?
Pushing for mass mandatory (untested) vaccines with very toxic preservatives & additives!
Pushing for (Orwellian) Cashless Society!
What about severe mass censorship coming very soon?
What about MASS PANIC is excactly what the Deep Sate wants?
What if elections are postponed indefinitely?
What if they want to push new draconian laws like mandatory bio-metrics identification system for all big social media platforms (waiting for long time for this to happen).
When (multiple) crisis is big enough MOST have no time to realize how fast they lose their freedoms!
Is mass rollout of 5G (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g) Smart Surveillance Grid part of the master plan especially when we have a major crisis on multiple fronts?


cheers,
John Kuhles - March 11th, 2020

[ExomatrixTV]

MAX IGAN and DEBORAH TAVARES ROUNDTABLE HOSTED BY KERRY CASSIDY - EDITED:
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[Arkanthos123]

Anyone heard of blood electrification device from dr Becker zapper? Supposedly kills virus and germs in blood.
https://youtu.be/r4VWkZ0e3G4

[Baby Steps]

"A former politician has warned that Her Majesty the Queen must self-isolate after meeting the prime minister who held meetings with health minister, Nadine Dorries who has tested positive for coronavirus.

The former MEP for London, Lance Forman said on Twitter, “Just heard on #LBC that Nadine Dorries met with Boris who has subsequently met with the queen at Westminster Abbey.

“Why isn’t her maj self isolating. Seems bizarre to put her at risk at public events.”

Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is currently in self-isolation as she’s been advised to take all precautions."


https://londonlovesbusiness.com/covid-19-queen-must-self-isolate-after-being-in-contact-with-boris-johnson/

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus - Problem Reaction Solution - David Icke - March 11, 2020:
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[Chris Gilbert]

I did wonder in the beginning if there was some exxageration/hysteria occurring, but at this point now I feel this really IS that serious. While many of us younger than 60 will probably be fine, it's not just about the number of deaths, but the fact that the healthcare system really can't handle a sudden massive increase in patients. I work in a hospital and our ER can scarcely handle a small uptick in patients on a given day, much less thousands more!

My wife's employer, the University of Michigan, has started cutting classes and sending employees home, along with other public schools in Michigan:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/03/11/michigan-state-suspending-person-classes-due-coronavirus/5020219002/

Speaking in terms of my other job as a Stillness-Movement Clinical Qigong practitioner, I'm also considering offering outgoing energy therapeutics, Wai Qi Liao Fa, more often. My own teacher is currently doing so and is having to treat more and more respiratory infections as of late.

[BMJ]

PJW just explains the results of proactive and reactive actions by countries in relation to the coronavirus.
The role of media, leaders and globalist organisation such as WHO fear mongering and then compares these claims to the facts.

c o r o n a v i r u s 😷
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Paul Joseph Watson
12/3/2020
Thanks, open borders!

[ExomatrixTV]

Benjamin Fulford Updates Fake Pandemic, Martial Law, Global Government Concept, What Trump Can Do
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Benjamin Fulford, one of the top observers of gold, finances, and dark politics in Asia, shares his views on fake pandemic, why it happened, and what comes next, including possibly martial law in some countries as Deep State elements are individually hunted down and taken into custody. He ends with an answer on what President Donald Trump can say tonight to calm the public.


Me: Actually it is kind a funny to watch them both being careful to "dismiss things" or to "boldly claim things" at the same time they do it anyway.

of course they do not share their "true sources" that way they can always blame the source not themselves for if their claims turned out to be incorrect.

Often used phrase: "if my sources are correct ... blah blah blah" ... but still I find both entertaining and have SOME interesting considerations.

They both have the same vibes in how they "expose the dark NWO agenda" but not always with things we can use to verify.

cheers,
John

[Floating]

Just was watching that Rachel M on the news. She was talking to an “expert” about testing people. Why can’t we test everyone? Especially those who would be in that vulnerable population. OMG! Is this to test and track humans all over the world? OMG!

This seems to be a huge Economic War that is going on. For basketball teams to cancel games? To stop almost all travel via planes, buses, etc? Huge economic impact the world wide. Who is the targeted group, country? Hmmmm

[Satori]

Just was watching that Rachel M on the news. She was talking to an “expert” about testing people. Why can’t we test everyone? Especially those who would be in that vulnerable population. OMG! Is this to test and track humans all over the world? OMG!

This seems to be a huge Economic War that is going on. For basketball teams to cancel games? To stop almost all travel via planes, buses, etc? Huge economic impact the world wide. Who is the targeted group, country? Hmmmm

Indeed. This could be regarded as World War V. (V for virus.)

I do not mean to seem detached or uncaring, but from a pragmatic and practical standpoint, there is no more cost efficient and effective way to mitigate economic, social, cultural, religious and political disputes, within a region, country or globally, than for one side of the dispute(s) to literally target the other side(s) and reduce the oppositions’ numbers.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Been wondering which movie star would come down with the virus first. Now we know.

Tom Hanks & Rita Wilson Test Positive For Coronavirus (https://deadline.com/2020/03/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-test-positive-coronavirus-elvis-presley-movie-1202880431/)
"We have just received word that Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have tested positive for the coronavirus. Both have been down in Australia for the pre-production of Baz Luhrmann’s untitled Elvis Presley film from Warner Bros. The two-time Oscar winner Hanks is set to play Presley’s longtime manager Colonel Tom Parker in the project.

Warner Bros. was notified that someone in the production had been diagnosed with coronavirus, the studio said in a statement to Deadline, adding that the person is receiving treatment and that “we are working closely with the appropriate Australian health agencies to identify and contact anyone who may have come in direct contact with the individual.”

Deadline received a statement directly from Hanks:

“Hello, folks. Rita and I are down here in Australia. We felt a bit tired, like we had colds, and some body aches. Rita had some chills that came and went. Slight fevers too. To play things right, as is needed in the world right now, we were tested for the Coronavirus, and were found to be positive.

Well, now. What to do next? The Medical Officials have protocols that must be followed. We Hanks’ will be tested, observed, and isolated for as long as public health and safety requires. Not much more to it than a one-day-at-a-time approach, no?

We’ll keep the world posted and updated.

Take care of yourselves!”

– Tom Hanks

[TrumanCash]

I have been assisting in the ordering of a machine from a Chinese factory in Luohe, a city about two hundred miles north of Wuhan. The factory sales rep was emailed five days ago when they were supposed to return to work after the Chinese New Year. This factory rep has always answered emails within two days in the past and has been very helpful.

So far there has been no communication from this sales rep or other factory person. We have no idea now whether we will be able to get the machine which was paid for and was supposed to be ready to ship by now. I am sure that there are a lot of other people and companies having the same problem.

So I think whatever is happening in China (coupled with articles on ZeroHedge and other sources), it appears to be quite serious.

I will update this post as the situation develops.

UPDATE: We finally got an email from the sales rep we have been dealing with at the Chinese machinery factory:



"Sorry to reply you late.

Because the China special time, we extend our holiday, plant to back office on 10th this month. When we start work, we will arrange the goods as soon as possible.

Sorry the special time cause inconvenience for you."

I wonder if they are required by the government to use the euphemism "special time" to refer to whatever is going on in China.

UPDATE: We received another email from the sales rep from the Chinese factory:



"Thank you, we believe that the special time will be over soon.

Our factory will start to work on 18th this month, then we will arrange the machine and parts as soon as quickly."

We were told right before the Chinese New Year holiday in mid-January that the factory would get started with our order on February 1st. This email today reveals that the euphemism "special time" was not in reference to the Chinese New Year but to the current viral outbreak in China.

Update: We have been informed by the sales rep for the factory that is custom building our machine that they have finished it except for an electrical plug that we can get in the US at Home Depot (for example). The factory is not in the Hubei province; it is about 200 miles north of Wuhan.

We were told five days ago that they don't have that particular plug and that the factory that makes those plugs has not gone back to work yet.

The next question is will it be shipped soon and do we need to disinfect the machine when we receive it? It has to go through US Customs when entering the US, so I'm wondering if Customs will be disinfecting everything coming into the US.

UPDATE: We received an email three days ago that the factory that made the 220 volt plug for the machine we ordered was still not back to work. So they could not wire the specific plug that we had already ordered and paid for. We told them to send the machine anyway without the plug since they are widely available in the US.

We received an answer this morning from the factory's sales rep that stated that our machine was ready to ship. She sent a picture of the wooden crate containing our machine (an herb grinder) that is ready to ship along with a couple docs we'll need for customs.

We are very happy with the service we received from the Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Co. which is in the Henan province in the city of Luohe. However, if it were not for Alibaba being very difficult to deal with we would have already received the machine since we attempted numerous times to order it back in early December. So we had to eventually bypass Alibaba and pay directly to the factory via PayPal, which we should have done at the onset.

I will continue to update this post as we follow the shipment to the US and then through customs.

UPDATE: The machine we ordered from Luohe, China (Henan Province) is being shipped and is currently in Dongguan according to FedEx. It's supposed to arrive in North Idaho on March 16th (guaranteed) but I'll be surprised if it gets here that fast.

However, according to this FedEx web page (https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/lac-latin-america/MVP/images/2020/Q3/LAC_EN_2020_2_web_pdf_NA_Customer_Facing_Service_Impact_service_alert_923409606.pdf) there is only a "Temporary Service Suspension" from Wuhan and Urumqi:




Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak and measures imposed by governments around the world, there are
currently unavoidable service impacts on both inbound and outbound FedEx and TNT shipments as outlined
below.
This information is provided for general guidance only. Due to the dynamic nature of the situation, the information
is subject to change without notice. We are closely monitoring the situation and will continue to provide updates
as they become available.

UPDATE: Our herb grinder (aka, hammermill) was shipped from Dongguan, then to Guangzhou and has now been flown to Japan at the Narita Station by the Narita Airport. So Fedex air freight from China appears to be mostly operational except from Wuhan and Urumqi.

Our machine from China has arrived at US Customs in Hawaii. The necessary customs forms are being sent to process through US Customs. I don't know if the machine will undergo any "disinfecting" (if that's the right word) at US Customs. We will try to find out. We will also be thoroughly disinfecting everything when it is received including the wooden crate it comes in.

[Patient]

The NBA has announced that it has cancelled the season due to the virus.

Are things getting a bit carried away too quickly?

Is this to help scare the public? I expect that doing things at this level at this time will cause people to overreact.

I hope I am wrong.

[jagman]

I was just thinking the same thing patient. They are also thinking about canceling March Madness. I will Not surrender to fear! I will take precautions but I might have it already. if not I still might get it but I refuse to live in fear!

[apokalypse]

just saw this post on reddit from gobbytree...interesting video from our Billy talked about this meeting thing.

Discussions from a meeting of top Freemason's in London were allegedly leaked onto the Internet:- China was to be attacked with a bioweapon, which would also spread around the world, at around the same time as nukes were fired in the Middle East. The bioweapon is to stop anti-war protests, no large gatherings allowed.
Now in 2020 with the COVID-19 outbreak spreading the world, the US has deployed a new nuclear weapon, and the UN are saying that Iran have undeclared nuclear sites, setting the pretext for a nuclear exchange.

2010 - Leaked info from discussions at 2005 top Freemason meeting in London https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a17_hoIFqqA

Late 2019 - Coronavirus Outbreak Begins

Feb 2020 - New US nuclear weapon has been deployed

Feb 2020 - The first Western nations start to implement martial law

Mar 2020 - UN atomic watchdog sounds alarm on Iran’s nuke programme

Mar 2020 - UN watchdog Iran has 3 possible undeclared nuclear sites

Mar 2020 - Iran's enriched uranium stocks 5 times over nuke deal limit: IAEA

The chess pieces are being moved into place, the stage is being set for a nuclear exchange with Iran, just as the top Freemason's allegedly planned.

Edit/Addition - Freemasons also said the planned events were to bring about 50% population reduction globally.

[Rosco1]

A top Italian doctor said 'Intensive care wards should place an age limit on beds as a way of prioritising medical resources amid the deepening crises that has seen cases in Italy rise by 196 to 827 today.

If a limit on beds is implemented it could mean elderly patients with no signs of coronavirus being turfed off ICU wards to make space for younger patients who have longer left to live.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8101135/Intensive-care-units-stop-treating-elderly-coronavirus-outbreak-worsens.html

[mountain_jim]

Tom:

To play things right

Hearing the Tom Hanks news, my spidey sense started twitching - as if this was a part of a/the psyop from a reputed deep insider....

(not saying the pandemic is not real and happening - but more anecdotal evidence, at least to me, for a planned event with more reactions / solutions to roll out)

then I saw this from one who covers Hollywood depravity.

https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1237913925510987782?s=20

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and from same feed this

https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1238048572756709377?s=20

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other comments I noticed



PS: Please send all get well cards to our massive luxurious underground bunker, the one we built decades ago to escape... uh... things like this... and... uh... extradition

...

not far from new Zealand HMMMM

...

[betoobig]

the lack of Adrenocrome is affecting this people´s inmune system.

Now, news from Spain. Madrid and Vitoria had closed all schools and Universities. In my region all the Holly week procesions had been suspended as well as all public acts and concersts. In the goverment one of the new ministers, Ms Montero, has tested positive. Due to this all congress woman and men are going to be tested. Soon all school classes will be suspended in my city too. Supermarkets are running out of groceries as well as toilet paper (lol)... People are only talking about this everywhere. To me is clear lots of things are going on behind the scene, which we, regular mortals, will get to know sometime in the near future or never....
anyhow is a great time to be alive. i really feel no fear but eagerness for all that´s coming. Just keep in mind life has no contrary. Me and my kids are alright btw.
Much love

PD: one of the extreme right politicians who always complained about how inmigrants bring bad illnesess has been tested positive too.... universe sense of humor.

[mgray]

President Trump now becomes a war-time leader. My thoughts here (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/03/12/president-trumps-war-time-address/)

[Sophocles]

Finally things are happening: Universities, schools and kindergartens are being shut down across the country just like all public and sports arrangements and facilities, theatres, operas, concerts, and so on. Paracet (and paracetamol) is being rationed as of today (1 pack per person). Health care workers are prohibited from leaving the country. The Home Guard is told to be prepared by the police. The King of Norway said we need to stand together in this.

It’s kind of like the quiet before the storm.

Update: 703 confirmed cases.
Age average: 46 (!).


PS! You’re in my thoughts everyone. And :heart:

[Bill Ryan]

Folks, I've started a new thread, and moved a bunch of posts there (to support norman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?266-norman) and jagman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?7122-jagman), who reported that they may have the virus — and also thepainterdoug (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?21016-thepainterdoug) before them, who's now fully recovered from whatever he had).


Avalon members who may have Covid-19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19)

That helps everyone, I think, because there's such a lot of info coming in of all kinds, from everyone all over the world, that specific care and attention for concerned individual Avalon members definitely deserves its own thread, while keeping this original thread for breaking news and discussion.

Unfortunately, as this thing continues to spread rapidly, it's not impossible that other members too may become infected, or grow concerned that they may be. If so, please do post and share on that new thread. :flower:

Always remember: this thing may be not much fun for a short while. But for most people who don't have underlying conditions that make them specially vulnerable, it's readily treatable if one knows how — which between us, we do.

:focus:

[Gracy]

President Trump now becomes a war-time leader. My thoughts here (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/03/12/president-trumps-war-time-address/)

He was already a war time leader, just like all of our presidents, main difference being this war actually affects normally complacent Americans here at home, who otherwise tend to ignore what happens to the rest of the world.

That’s why it has our attention, I’m just sayin...

[Houman]

CDC began a mass hiring program for their quarantine program back in Nov. 2019

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES6CWb0XkAAW1W_?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES6CWb0WsAEuucM?format=jpg&name=large

[Houman]

From GM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES7BQvNUUAcaJD_?format=png&name=small

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fed-injects-95-billion-repos-unfreeze-locking-funding-markets

Fed Injects $198 Billion Via Repos To Unfreeze Paralyzed Funding Markets

[Bill Ryan]

From Chris Martenson's update yesterday. I'll embed it again here.... every member and guest here should be following these daily.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4N09qsMdPQ[/url]
At 27:46, he reports and comments on a message from Italy. This reinforces the one from Professor Giacomo Grasselli, in this must-watch 10-minute video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrPHO-nkVE) which was posted earlier several times.

The clear message: this near-impossible situation is what's lying in wait for Germany, Spain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, the UK, the US, and Canada, to ambush them all just a few short weeks from now.

Here's the tweet he quotes:


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237608434117120002.html


http://projectavalon.net/A_message_from_Italy.gif

[ExomatrixTV]

SHOCK ESCALATION Fears as 15 coronavirus patients ‘die in a matter of hours (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11147867/coronavirus-patients-die-hours-no-symptoms/)’ in US – after showing NO symptoms!

[Gracy]

The NBA has announced that it has cancelled the season due to the virus.

Are things getting a bit carried away too quickly?

Is this to help scare the public? I expect that doing things at this level at this time will cause people to overreact.

I hope I am wrong.

I see this somewhat similar to someone who lives on the coast, tracking the path of a cat 5 hurricane, assessing the damage it’s already done to places it’s hit, and calculating what actions should be taken if it comes their way.

If it does come their way, the prudent thing to do would be to board up the windows, get the furniture high off the floor as possible, get to a safer place well inland to hunker down and wait it out.

I actually applaud the NBA for shutting it down, I think it’s the responsible thing to do. Why encourage large crowds to gather on the beach with an approaching storm?

[ExomatrixTV]

A Pandemic - and 30,000 US Troops to Europe (Without Masks):
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[Conaire]

Irish update:

Sadly, the first death reported, Wednesday 11th March.

12th of March, as of 6pm local time, all schools, child care facilities and colleges/universities will be closed until at least March 29th. I fully expect a full lock down sooner rather than later.

A nation wide ban on public gatherings of 500+ people outdoor, 100+ indoor.

My personal experience is that of people bursting into tears while I'm talking to them. People are scared. There's a definite panic in the air but there's also a feeling of shock at how fast it's all unfolding. It's surreal.

[Pam]

I can't help but wondering.... what happens after an infected area like Wuhan that has allegedly gotten the infection under control resumes activity. Once others are allowed to enter the area the infection process will just resume. People are acting like once successfully stopping this it is the end of the trouble. Large amounts of people weren't infected, even in places like Wuhan. It seems this process will just continue till enough people get sick and there is a sort of herd immunity. That is not even factoring in the fact that this thing will mutate into another strain(s).

Any idea? I'm really not trying to be negative here, but.....

[Bill Ryan]

My personal experience is that of people bursting into tears while I'm talking to them. People are scared. There's a definite panic in the air but there's also a feeling of shock at how fast it's all unfolding. It's surreal.Yes, I really really understand this. :flower:

As Chris Martenson explains in his videos — my paraphrase! — there are no bad guys here. (In the general non-corporate and non-political population, at least!)

Some are natural fast-adapters to new information, even if it's bad news. And some are just not. That can always be forgiven and understood. We've seen that here on the forum, too.

Many in the population just haven't had enough lead time. For regular people, that's not always their fault.

As the exponential graph of cases suddenly goes vertical in each country, one by one, then so do the news features.

And then many people just get avalanched and overwhelmed by that, and it all feels very sudden and shocking. All the info they're getting has come way too late. (Heads should roll at the WHO, but that's a different topic. :facepalm: )

For those on Avalon following this thread, whether members or guests, they've had 7 weeks to brace themselves and prepare for what was about to happen, logistically and emotionally. That makes a big difference.

This has been my main mission in all this. We have to do together what Avalon does so well, so often, which is to educate and empower, as best we all can.

I've written many times now about the analogy of standing on the beach in Thailand or Indonesia in December 2004 staring at the sea as it suddenly retreated half a mile.

If you know exactly what that means, standing and staring doesn't help: you've got about 5 minutes max to get yourself and your family to high ground. Later on, we can spend more time figuring out how and why the 9.0 earthquake in the sea bed happened.

[Bill Ryan]

I can't help but wondering.... what happens after an infected area like Wuhan that has allegedly gotten the infection under control resumes activity. Once others are allowed to enter the area the infection process will just resume. People are acting like once successfully stopping this it is the end of the trouble. Large amounts of people weren't infected, even in places like Wuhan. It seems this process will just continue till enough people get sick and there is a sort of herd immunity. That is not even factoring in the fact that this thing will mutate into another strain(s).

Any idea? I'm really not trying to be negative here, but.....Wuhan is the first case study of a large community that's been pretty much ordered (or PR-deceived) into resuming work and normal life. I don't think for a moment that things are normal, or safe in any way at all. We may only really learn the ACTUAL outcome of that many months from now.

The very fact that the Chinese have cracked down on social media even more tells its own story. If things really were all fine now, they'd be encouraging the citizen journalists to report it to the world.

The situation is that the Chinese HAD to restart their economy. Or else — at least! — people would start to starve, including the leadership. I'm not assuming for a moment that the CCP cares at all about any other Chinese citizen. They're brutal dictators.

What that all means is that we really don't know yet what will happen if a society tries to resume normality after an apparent drop in cases. We don't yet really know


If people can be re-infected.
If such a re-infection may be more serious than the first wave.
If the virus will mutate (as some evidence suggests it already has done).

There's a LOT that's not yet understood. At first, it seemed only the elderly and infirm were really vulnerable. Now there are more and more reported cases of younger, healthier people (but still not children or teenagers) who are being hit by this. And some people appear to be just felled by this in a really short period. Some die within days, even if they were initially healthy.

That's like something out of a scary movie. It's not behaving consistently round the world, and that should worry the health professionals a lot as they try to understand what the heck they're dealing with.

The best defense is still not to get it. And that means taking great personal care... a lot of attention to detail. Even if that doesn't come naturally, it can be learned, and a family doing that together, and kind of having fun about it, can make it all much more palatable.

[Metaphor]

Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/justin-trudeau-self-isolation-coronavirus

Just adds more suspicion to the whole preplanned thing.

[Bill Ryan]

Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/justin-trudeau-self-isolation-coronavirus
Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.

[Pam]

First of all, Bill, I want to thank you for being the backbone of this most important thread. I also want to thank everyone else that has provided thoughtful, intelligent and balanced information. I think we have covered all aspects of this very well. We are living through most astonishing times and I am so happy that this thoughtful documentation has been assembled. I am also extending deep gratitude to Chris Martenson for providing us with cutting edge information about the process of a pandemic and for finding the the best fact based information that is available to us not to forget other citizen journalists that have provided expertise and knowledge.

I can imagine the fear and panic of those that thought this was just going to go away or denied (or are still denying)the implications of this event. For those of us that dared to look we have been rewarded with the confidence of being prepared. It really is a good, solid feeling. We will walk through this and be all the stronger for it one day at a time.

[Pam]

Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/justin-trudeau-self-isolation-coronavirus
Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.

I see a huge amount of complacency in my community because there is no official record of it being in our county yet. Most people do not understand that there has been no testing at all here, that I know of. They feel like it is all happening in Seattle and they are safe. The only thing I noticed was all the TP was sold out. They are relying on the government to tell them when the virus is present in our area. This will not have a good outcome. I drove by the gym and it is still packed, all the stores seem to have average crowds. No signs at all of social distancing or masks. I doesn't appear behaviors will change in the least until we get "official" cases. This blind reliance on the nanny state will be the detriment of many.

[Patient]

Here in Canada, Ontario schools have just been shut down until April 5.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-to-shutter-public-schools-until-april-5-amid-covid-19-pandemic-1.4850654

Now the dominoes are beginning to fall. The NBA and NHL seasons suspended. Schools closed. What's next?

I just came back from the post office in this small town - many people out and about. One guy carrying a big package of toilet paper. The grocery store parking lot had more cars in it than I have ever seen, so I expect that it will be depleted of goods fairly quick.

I think people will be scared and start to run around and panic shop for goods. It remains to be seen how people's minds are working. Will we see more compassion and neighborly actions? Or will there be pushing and shoving as people rush to get the last loaf of bread?

I just got my pay cheque so I need to get to the bank and then buy some things myself. I will let you know what I witness.

[sunwings]

Today in France and Spain the entire school system was shut down. The news came suddenly as it was predicted to start the following Monday. Today outside the school gates people were scared, very scared! I popped into the supermarket afterwards only to encounter panic buying and empty shelves.

However, tonight on social media the penny is dropping. No school for 2-4 weeks also means no socialising, no playdates or park time. I have cancelled every future social event. I am going into lockdown. We only have one opportunity to stop this virus in its track! The sooner every Country goes into shutdown, the sooner we start to gain the upper hand in the fight.

[silvanelf]

The NBA has announced that it has cancelled the season due to the virus.

Today another large top level tennis tournament in the US (Miami Open) was canceled. One week earlier the Indian Wells Masters in California was canceled. Now several top level tennis tournaments in Europe in May will probably postponed or canceled as well ...


The Miami Open has become the latest sporting event cancelled due to the growing outbreak of the coronavirus, declared a pandemic Wednesday by the World Health Organisation, with the ATP Tour suspending play for the next six weeks.

https://lastwordontennis.com/2020/03/12/miami-open-cancelled-coronavirus/

[Bill Ryan]

Pretty awful news from Iran. (Some estimates of the crisis there have put the number of cases as high as 2 million.)


https://theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-iran-mass-graves-qom

Satellite images show Iran has dug mass graves amid coronavirus outbreak
12 March, 2020

Trenches in city of Qom confirm worst fears about extent of the epidemic and the government’s subsequent cover-up.

Satellite images of mass graves in the city of Qom suggest Iran’s coronavirus epidemic is even more serious than the authorities are admitting.

The pictures, first published by the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000007011860/iran-coronavirus-outbreak.html), show the excavation of a new section in a cemetery on the northern fringe of Iran’s holy city in late February, and two long trenches dug, of a total length of 100 yards, by the end of the month.

They confirm the worst fears about the extent of the epidemic and the government’s subsequent cover-up. On 24 February, at the time the trenches were being dug, a legislator from Qom, 75 miles (120 km) south of Tehran, accused the health ministry of lying (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-dead-in-iranian-city-of-qom)about the scale of the outbreak, saying there had already been 50 deaths in the city, at a time when the ministry was claiming only 12 people had died from the virus nationwide.

The deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, held a press conference to “categorically deny” the allegations, but he was clearly sweating and coughing as he did so. The next day, Harirchi confirmed (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/irans-deputy-health-minister-i-have-coronavirus) that he had tested positive for the Covid-19 virus.

Since then, members of Iranian parliament, the Majlis, a former diplomat and a senior adviser to the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, have died. Another Khamenei adviser and one of the most powerful voices in Iranian foreign policy, Ali Akbar Velayati (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran-aide/top-adviser-to-irans-supreme-leader-infected-with-coronavirus-tasnim-idUSKBN20Z38J), was reported on Thursday to have been infected. The top ranks of Iran’s clerical leadership are particularly vulnerable because of their advanced age.

According to the latest health ministry figures, more than 10,000 Iranians have fallen ill from the virus and 429 have died.

Amir Afkhami, who has written a history of Iran’s experience of cholera epidemics, A Modern Contagion (https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/modern-contagion), said the mass graves add weight to suspicions the real mortality figures are much higher and are still being covered by the leadership.

“It doesn’t surprise me that they are now trying to create mass graves and trying to hide the actual extent of the impact of the disease,” Dr Afkhami, an associate professor at George Washington University, said.

He added that the close trading partnership between Iran and China, and the government’s fear of disrupting that partnership had contributed to the early and rapid spread of the disease.

“Because of China’s status as the country’s principal commercial partner, the Iranian government took inadequate cautionary measures to restrict and monitor travelers from China,” Dr Afkhami said. “Then, later on, Tehran’s lack of transparency and unwillingness to take robust measures such as social distancing and quarantine, particularly at the epicenter of the outbreak, helped spread the virus.”

[Delight]

Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/justin-trudeau-self-isolation-coronavirus
Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.

I see a huge amount of complacency in my community because there is no official record of it being in our county yet. Most people do not understand that there has been no testing at all here, that I know of. They feel like it is all happening in Seattle and they are safe. The only thing I noticed was all the TP was sold out. They are relying on the government to tell them when the virus is present in our area. This will not have a good outcome. I drove by the gym and it is still packed, all the stores seem to have average crowds. No signs at all of social distancing or masks. I doesn't appear behaviors will change in the least until we get "official" cases. This blind reliance on the nanny state will be the detriment of many.

I went to my local Dollar General to buy some laundry detergent this PM. Vitamin C, Zinc, and elderberry gummies were out. TP was very low (what IS that about TP?). I am concerned for my community. In general everything economic in my community is around tourism. Knowing that we have the fork with at least two prongs (health, economic) about to hit the back side will generally drive up fight as you cannot flee the issue.

I have been so confused by the CONTINUED insistence that this is just a psyop. I see the way it will be used. I betcha a lot of people don't care as long as it effects someone else. Many think they won't be touched but I think it is a real threat. Younger people are already (many of them) unhealthy. I see some people like Dr. Shiva back off from his pure rant to include the need to shore up the immune system for a real virus. Trump now he is calling the virus "dangerous" wants us to believe he cares.

I feel much less anxious now I am voluntarily isolating. #STFH

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[Bill Ryan]

Here's a pretty useful piece of information, just published by a Princeton team. (However, note: it's not peer-reviewed yet.)


https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1

Summary: The virus can remain viable "in aerosols up to 3 hours, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel".

The aerosol info is very interesting. That matches with a recent report (apologies: I forget the country or the reference) that one person had been infected by boarding a bus from which the pre-infected patient had already disembarked, their seat nowhere near the newly infected person. In other words, they weren't even on the bus together at the same time. The virus was just hanging in the air.

[RogeRio]

The virus was just hanging in the air.

may this Virus can spread like a Spore on dust suspended in the air

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Viruses are known to infect almost any kind of host that has living cells. Animals, plants, fungi, and bacteria are all subject to viral infection. But viruses tend to be somewhat particular about what type of cells they infect.

Sometimes, a virus may infect one creature and do no harm, but cause havoc when it gets into a different but closely related creature.

Spores are tiny single cells that are usually very resistant to environmental changes. They can remain dormant for long periods of time until the conditions are right for them to develop.

source - Germs: Viruses, Bacteria, and Fungi (http://www.animalplanet.com/pets/freshaqua-germs/)

[Delight]

It is healthy to have a knee jerk reaction and this has saved lives. The last thing we want is a crisis that is unfolding faster than the concern about it....

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[onevoice]

The article below (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826) describes how Taiwan is containing the Covid-19 outbreak in the country. While the outbreak in other countries has grown the past few weeks, the number of people who have been tested as positive for Covid-19 has stabilized at 49 as of date. To make quarantine process easier on the people effected, the Taiwan government pays for food, lodging and medical care. Imagine how more effective the quarantine process would be if other governments is willing to pay for all this for its quarantined people. Granted the number of quarantined people in Taipei is probably very low vs other countries. Taiwan has very affordable high quality medical care vs other national governments. A typical non-critical emergency room visit for even uninsured person would be less than $200 USD. Taiwan has implemented many lessons learned during the 2003 SARS outbreak into its infrastructure. While many countries are resorting to draconian measures of locking down entire cities or regions, Taiwan uses distributed screening measures at entry points for mass transit such as the metro rail system and railroad stations as well as at all the country's airport terminals by scanning people's temperature and the screeners wearing comprehensive protective gears.

The following video also explain how researchers in Taiwan has developed a test for Covid-19 that only takes 15 minutes:
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“You can get a free test, and if you’re forced to be isolated, during the 14 days, we pay for your food, lodging and medical care,” Kolas said. “So no one would avoid seeing the doctor because they can’t pay for health care.”

What Taiwan can teach the world on fighting the coronavirus

Analysis: Taiwan put lessons it learned during the 2003 SARS outbreak to good use, and this time its government and people were prepared.

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The building manager monitors temperatures of bank customers before they enter a bank in Taiwan.Cindy Sui / NBC News

March 10, 2020, 5:28 AM EDT
By Cindy Sui

TAIPEI, Taiwan — As countries around the world grapple with (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-northern-italy-lockdown-anxiety-grows-d-c-n1152886) the coronavirus, Taiwan may offer valuable lessons on how to curb its spread.

The island is just 81 miles and a short flight away from mainland China, where COVID-19 is believed to have originated in the city of Wuhan. As the outbreak took hold in January, many Taiwanese business people and their families based in China were returning to celebrate the Lunar New Year, and up to 2,000 Chinese tourists a day visited the island, potentially bringing the virus with them.

And yet, Taiwan has had only 47 cases of COVID-19 and one death as of Tuesday — far fewer than China’s 80,754 cases and 3,136 deaths, a stark contrast even when taking into account the enormous population difference: Taiwan’s 23 million to China’s 1.4 billion. Taiwan’s numbers are also much lower than neighboring countries such as South Korea, which has had more than 7,500 cases, and Japan, with 530. It’s also faring better than countries much farther away from China, such as Italy, with more than 9,000 cases, and the United States, which has over 700.

Of the 100-plus countries and territories affected, Taiwan has the lowest incidence rate per capita — around 1 in every 500,000 people — for a place that is located so close to China and with so much travel to and from.

What lessons can Taiwan teach the world so other countries can stem the spread of the virus?

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_11/3261446/200309-taiwan-coronavirus-mc-902_d4c55e71f551e45d144f6d313b8bb3a1.fit-560w.JPG
Schoolchildren use plastic dividers at a school in Taiwan.Courtesy of the Da Jia Elementary School

Be alert and proactive

Partly because it’s near China and speaks the same language, Taiwan learned early that a “severe pneumonia” was spreading in Wuhan. But it was the proactive measures the island took that helped it avert a major outbreak.

On Dec. 31, the same day China notified the World Health Organization that it had several cases of an unknown pneumonia, Taiwan’s Centers for Disease Control immediately ordered inspections of passengers arriving on flights from Wuhan.

And despite poor relations with Beijing, Taiwan asked and received permission to send a team of experts to the mainland on a fact-finding mission Jan. 12.

“They didn’t let us see what they didn’t want us to see, but our experts sensed the situation was not optimistic,” government spokesperson Kolas Yotaka told NBC News.

Shortly after the team returned, Taiwan began requiring hospitals to test for and report cases. That helped the government identify those infected, trace their contacts and isolate everyone involved, preventing the virus from spreading to the community.

All this happened long before Taiwan confirmed its first case Jan. 21 and the rest of the world became alarmed.

Setup a command center

Equally important, Taiwan's CDC activated the Central Epidemic Command Center relatively early on Jan. 20 and that allowed it to quickly roll out a series of epidemic control measures, according to Stanford Health Policy’s Jason Wang, a pediatrics professor who also has a doctorate in policy analysis.

“Taiwan has rapidly produced and implemented a list of at least 124 action items in the past five weeks — that’s three to four per day — to protect public health,” Wang said in an email. “The policies and actions go beyond border control because they recognized that that’s not enough.”

Headed by Health Minister Chen Shih-chung, the command center not only investigates confirmed and suspected cases, it also works with ministries and local governments to coordinate the response across Taiwan, including allocating funds, mobilizing personnel and advising on the disinfection of schools.

Take quick and decisive action
Taiwan also took tough action early. On Jan. 26, five days after it confirmed its first case, Taiwan banned arrivals from Wuhan, earlier than any other country.

Not long after, it did the same for flights from all but a handful of Chinese cities, and only Taiwanese people were allowed to fly in.

Use technology to detect and track cases

After securing its borders, Taiwan used technology to fight the virus. Temperature monitors were already set up at airports after the 2003 SARS outbreak to detect anyone with a fever, a symptom of coronavirus.

Passengers can also scan a QR code and report their travel history and health symptoms online. That data is then given directly to Taiwan’s CDC.

Those coming from badly affected areas are put under mandatory 14-day home quarantine, even if they are not sick, and are tracked using location sharing on their mobile phone. Absconding can lead to heavy fines.

That also goes for not reporting symptoms.

One man who didn’t tell the authorities he had symptoms after he returned from Wuhan and went to a dance club the next day was fined $10,000.

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The authorities in Taiwan also quickly determine whom the confirmed cases had been in contact with, and then test them, and put them in home quarantine.

“They also proactively find new cases by retesting those who tested negative,” Wang said.

Ensure availability of supplies

To ensure a steady supply of masks, the government quickly banned manufacturers from exporting them, implemented a rationing system and set the price at just 16 cents each.

It also set up new production lines and dispatched soldiers to staff factories, significantly increasing production.

These masks are the tools for residents in Taiwan’s densely populated cities to protect themselves; they made them feel safe and not panic.

Educate the public

The government also asked television and radio stations to broadcast hourly public service announcements on how the virus is spread, the importance of washing hands properly, and when to wear a mask.

“We think only when information is transparent, and people have sufficient medical knowledge, will their fear be reduced,” Kolas, the government spokeswoman, said.

Residents learned that most patients had mild or no symptoms, so the death rate could be lower than what was reported. They also understood that a person’s travel history or contact with infected individuals determined their risk level, not their nationality or race. That understanding helped reduce discrimination.

Get public buy-in

The public’s cooperation with the government’s recommended measures was crucial to prevent the spread of the virus, including among students, school principal Tu Chen-yang said.

“More than 95 percent of our parents take their child’s temperature at home and report it to the school before the children arrive,” Tu said. “Regardless of what the government does, people have to take responsibility for their own health.”

Bank building manager Nature Lin echoed such views, as he checked the temperature of employees arriving for work,on a detection camera set up in the lobby.

“We were already stocking up on alcohol disinfectants and temperature guns during the holiday,” he said.

Practically every office building, school and community sports center check temperatures and prevent anyone with a fever from entering. Apartment buildings also place hand sanitizer inside or outside elevators.

https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_11/3261411/200309-taiwan-coronavirus-mc-895_61389284cb9a9048dfab32a1f0457043.fit-560w.JPG
Commuters travel on the subway in Taiwan.Cindy Sui / NBC News

Learn from experience

Taiwan was able to put the lessons it learned during the SARS outbreak in 2003 to good use. That epidemic ended up killing 73 people and hurting the economy.

This time, Taiwan's government and people were prepared, and that readiness has helped push up President Tsai Ing-wen’s approval rating.

Last but not the least, Kolas said that she believes the country’s health insurance system, which covers 99 percent of the population, has been crucial to fighting the spread of the outbreak.

“Taiwan’s health insurance lets everyone not be afraid to go to the hospital. If you suspect you have coronavirus, you won’t have to worry that you can’t afford the hospital visit to get tested,” she said.

“You can get a free test, and if you’re forced to be isolated, during the 14 days, we pay for your food, lodging and medical care,” Kolas said. “So no one would avoid seeing the doctor because they can’t pay for health care.”

[ExomatrixTV]

The Charles Veitch Coronavirus Quarantine Special:
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[Gracy]

Here's a pretty useful piece of information, just published by a Princeton team. (However, note: it's not peer-reviewed yet.)


https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1

Summary: The virus can remain viable "in aerosols up to 3 hours, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel".

The aerosol info is very interesting. That matches with a recent report (apologies: I forget the country or the reference) that one person had been infected by boarding a bus from which the pre-infected patient had already disembarked, their seat nowhere near the newly infected person. In other words, they weren't even on the bus together at the same time. The virus was just hanging in the air.

What about on a handrail, the seat, anything the person may have touched and then rubbed an eye or whatever?

[ExomatrixTV]

Does anyone know the side effects & what exact chemicals are used when people spray stuff (chemicals) "to prevent the disease from spreading faster". Are there many different ones? ... Is it different per country? ... Can they be unhealthy too? ... Is there a site that shows all data about this question?


cheers,
John

[Patient]

Stores here are very very busy and the shelves are emptying. At least people (what we have seen) are so far being civil.

[Delight]

Notice the hangover from "the old days" few days ago.

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[Sarah Rainsong]

Whelp, it's definitely hit Georgia! Tons of schools closing all around me, many counties don't even have confirmed or presumptive cases.

I've been following the https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/ AJC more closely for better local (state) news. A lot hasn't even got to them yet. Every school and public daycare surrounding Athens-Clarke will be closed come Monday. I fully expect Governor Kemp to announce a state of emergency by tomorrow.

(Sorry for the bad link format, I'm on my phone)

[RogeRio]

past facts give some light at the end of pandemic tunnel

The flu pandemic that began in 1918 was one of the deadliest in history. The world was still experiencing the last battles of World War I, and newspapers in many countries played down reports of the disease. The decisive action by St. Louis City Health Secretary Max C. Starkloff has saved thousands of lives.

Starkloff's strategy was "social distancing," the simple practice of keeping people away from one another. During the brief but deadly sweep of the flu that fall, the death rate in St. Louis was 2.8 per 1,000 residents, lowest among the nation's major cities, where the rate was 8.0 in Pittsburgh, 7.6 in San Francisco and 7.1 in Kansas City.

Dr. Max C. Starkloff as the city health commissioner back then, convinced Mayor Henry Kiel to close all schools, churches, theaters and dance halls following the first evidence of the flu in St. Louis. Starkloff's decision didn't win him many friends among the business and religious community, at least not initially.

https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-stlouis.html#

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus survivor reveals what it's like to have Covid-19
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[prc]

Brasil has got 85 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 1420 suspected cases as of today 12/03/2020.

[Bill Ryan]

The Charles Veitch Coronavirus Quarantine Special:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tJ19Rn_N1p8Yep. Charlie points this out — which makes it so self-evident there's really something wrong with the mainstream media, that never ever EVER questions this.

Here are China's most populous cities:


Shanghai (34 million)
Guangzhou (25 million)
Beijing (24.9 million)
Shenzhen (23.3 million)
Wuhan (19 million)
Chengdu (18.1 million)
Chongqing (17 million)
Tianjin (15.4 million)
Hangzhou (13.4 million)
Xian (12.9 million)
Changzhou (12.4 million)
Shantou (12 million)
Nanjing (11.7 million)
Jinan (11 million)
Harbin (10.5 million)

Here are today's statistics (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/).

http://projectavalon.net/China_Covid-19_statistics_12_March_2020.gif

[Frank V]

Does anyone know the side effects & what exact chemicals are used when people spray stuff (chemicals) "to prevent the disease from spreading faster".

Well, individuals might be allergic to certain disinfectants, but that is no different from how it has always been.


Are there many different ones?

Oh yes ─ alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, iodine-based solutions, chlorine-based solutions, et al.


... Is it different per country?

I would even go so far as to say that they might be different per town or per hospital. If you look at what hospitals commonly use for cleaning beds, floors, et al ─ even under normal circumstances ─ then there's a huge variety of products.


... Can they be unhealthy too?

Of course, but that depends on the chosen disinfectant and the individual in question. Some people might have allergies to some of that stuff upon skin contact, others might get irritated airways from accidentally inhaling the aerosol as it's being (or has just been) sprayed, etc.


... Is there a site that shows all data about this question?

I don't think so. :noidea:

[Sadieblue]

Read this today regarding taking Elderberry for the COV-19, could cause inflammatory cytokine production.

Here is the Link....https://survivalblog.com/letter-elderberry-wuhan/

[Metaphor]

Re Charles Veitch, he had this video also. I suspect that the first report, a supposed male italian doctor, could be taken with a pinch of salt since the info is previously unheard of, but the female from 2.22 feels very real. Just listen to her voice. Feels like she is beyond exhaustion.
as far as my Italian goes it seems pretty accurately correctly translated
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[Delight]

Del Bigtree sides with other "alt minds" that the covid19 issue is poorly prioritized (at the very least). Is it worth all the draconian measures employed and all the fallout and the economic destruction?

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[ExomatrixTV]

Graffex Set-up! Gates foundation rolling out trial for Covid-19 vaccinations! Forty-five people will be enrolled in the preliminary safety trial of the new vaccine. This group may have the potential to be “Super spreader” like the case in Wuhan. This vaccination that can be activated with 5G to make you very ill or kill if you are not compliant as the same as they did in Wuhan. This trial must be to do with this! https://trib.al/5m30XaS (https://trib.al/5m30XaS?fbclid=IwAR1vHu-7qCAbKOkaH_-rA4nL7ET69st22XzvXtVy2sp2qH8Lug2NJWNup8A)

US scientists have completed a coronavirus vaccine, Texas-based genetic engineering company claims (20/3/2020)

Greffex said Wednesday that they had finished development of their vaccine for the virus. Here’s the SHOCKER! The Forensic Nurse Corona virus bioweapon update. Its a collaboration between China and USA! What! The state of Texas, Greffex laboratory to manufacture bioweapon Corona virus vaccine. This laboratory is currently manufacturig Zika, Ebola, MERS, Avian flu H5N1 and many rare birth defects have been reported since 2012. Water supplies near this lab can and may be contaminated.
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Nurses Blast Government (https://nowhealthnews.com/nurses-blast-government-and-hospital-responses-to-coronavirus/) And Hospital Responses To Coronavirus

[Metaphor]

Only if they had the actual virus way beforehand (years) they can have this vaccine ready. At least if Dr Campell and other seemingly credible sources are correct. Or its a snakepoison of a vaccine made in a haste and potentially lethal for some and toxic to all. I guess they will fake the results from the tests or administer something else to than they plan to be selling worldwide.

[TomKat]

Here's a great link that shows the number of known cases and deaths, by country:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Global death rate of people with coronavirus is 3%! And in Italy, it's 6%!
Not just your normal flu...

[ExomatrixTV]

100K Cases In Ohio Alone?*Iranian Mass Graves Seen From Space*Elite's Heading To Their Bunkers:
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[Sadieblue]

They have closed our colleges and Universities in my area of Tn. today.
Some of the churches are going to have online services instead
of a big gathering.

[vizon]

They have closed our colleges and Universities in my area of Tn. today.
Some of the churches are going to have online services instead
of a big gathering.Greetings from East Tennessee! Situation is amping up here slightly to say the least. Many people still in denial as to the severity of this virus, however..

[Ben]

I can't verify this from any sources online, but a friend who lives just up the road from Faslane submarine base (west coast of Scotland), just informed me that all 12 of the Trident fleet will be docked there.

As far as I'm aware, this has never happened before. The whole point of nuclear submarines is that they are strategically placed around the world, in order that they can hit pretty much anywhere, anytime.

Plus this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/06/nato-launches-largest-war-game-in-eastern-europe-since-cold-war-anaconda-2016

I know it's the going to be the biggest war games since the cold war, but are submarines a necessary part of it?

I'm not meaning to panic anyone, but this does seem very unusual.

[Franny]

I must admit this was rather humorous.


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[Delight]

They have closed our colleges and Universities in my area of Tn. today.
Some of the churches are going to have online services instead
of a big gathering.Greetings from East Tennessee! Situation is amping up here slightly to say the least. Many people still in denial as to the severity of this virus, however..

42 confirmed cases in Georgia. The map shows how the confirmed cases are clustered.

Georgia, US is now up to 42 Coronavirus cases. (https://dph.georgia.gov/georgia-department-public-health-covid-19-daily-status-report)

[Franny]

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[Delight]

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Thanks for that link.... Frankly I feel we have entered into 9/11 part 2

Whitney Webb in a conversation about conspiracy realism at hand.

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[Ben]

I've had exactly the same thought the. 9/11 part two.

They're more desperate than ever.

[Franny]

A good example of the aggressive action by the CDC to identify people with the virus - if true. A total of 77 tested so far this week. :muscle:


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[Delight]

This may have been posted before? This is coming out of China.


COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US
Larry Romanoff (https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078/amp?__twitter_impression=true)

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US? (https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196)

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

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As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus almost certainly originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.



Screenshot from The New York Times August 08, 2019

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.

Then, on Chinese social media, another article appeared, aware of the above but presenting further details. It stated in part that five “foreign” athletes or other personnel visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019) were hospitalised in Wuhan for an undetermined infection.

The article explains more clearly that the Wuhan version of the virus could have come only from the US because it is what they call a “branch” which could not have been created first because it would have no ‘seed’. It would have to have been a new variety spun off the original ‘trunk’, and that trunk exists only in the US. (1)

There has been much public speculation that the coronavirus had been deliberately transmitted to China but, according to the Chinese article, a less sinister alternative is possible.

If some members of the US team at the World Military Games (18-27 October) had become infected by the virus from an accidental outbreak at Fort Detrick it is possible that, with a long initial incubation period, their symptoms might have been minor, and those individuals could easily have ‘toured’ the city of Wuhan during their stay, infecting potentially thousands of local residents in various locations, many of whom would later travel to the seafood market from which the virus would spread like wildfire (as it did).

That would account also for the practical impossibility of locating the legendary “patient zero” – which in this case has never been found since there would have been many of them.

Next, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease expert at Georgetown University in Washington, said in an article in Science magazine that the first human infection has been confirmed as occurring in November 2019, (not in Wuhan), suggesting the virus originated elsewhere and then spread to the seafood markets. “One group put the origin of the outbreak as early as 18 September 2019.” (2) (3)

Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally.

Description of earliest cases suggests outbreak began elsewhere.

The article states:

“As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.” (4) (5)

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).

In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases”, they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link”, says Daniel Lucey . . . (6)

Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019 – and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January. (7)

“Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019 – if not earlier – because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan – and perhaps elsewhere – before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace”, Lucey asserts.

“China must have realized the epidemic did not originate in that Wuhan Huanan seafood market”, Lucey told Science Insider. (8)

Kristian Andersen is an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute who has analyzed sequences of 2019-nCoV to try to clarify its origin. He said the scenario was “entirely plausible” of infected persons bringing the virus into the seafood market from somewhere outside. According to the Science article,

“Andersen posted his analysis of 27 available genomes of 2019-nCoV on 25 January on a virology research website. It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor” – meaning a common source – as early as 1 October 2019.” (9)

It was interesting that Lucey also noted that MERS was originally believed to have come from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June of 2012, but later and more thorough studies traced it back to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April of that year. Lucey said that from stored samples from people who died in Jordan, medical authorities confirmed they had been infected with the MERS virus. (10)

This would provide impetus for caution among the public in accepting the “official standard narrative” that the Western media are always so eager to provide – as they did with SARS, MERS, and ZIKA, all of which ‘official narratives’ were later proven to have been entirely wrong.

In this case, the Western media flooded their pages for months about the COVID-19 virus originating in the Wuhan seafood market, caused by people eating bats and wild animals. All of this has been proven wrong.

Not only did the virus not originate at the seafood market, it did not originate in Wuhan at all, and it has now been proven that it did not originate in China but was brought to China from another country. Part of the proof of this assertion is that the genome varieties of the virus in Iran and Italy have been sequenced and declared to have no part of the variety that infected China and must, by definition, have originated elsewhere.

It would seem the only possibility for origination is the US because only that country has the “tree trunk” of all the varieties. And it may therefore be true that the original source of the COVID-19 virus was the US military bio-warfare lab at Fort Detrick. This would not be a surprise, given that the CDC completely shut down Fort Detrick, but also because, as I related in an earlier article, between 2005 and 2012 the US had experienced 1,059 events where pathogens had been either stolen or escaped from American bio-labs during the prior ten years – an average of one every three days.

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Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He can be contacted at: 2186604556@qq.com. He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.

[Franny]

Yes, sanctions on Iran making it harder for them to fight the virus, I read they just asked for a $5 billion loan from the IMF.



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[Patient]

Graffex Set-up! Gates foundation rolling out trial for Covid-19 vaccinations! Forty-five people will be enrolled in the preliminary safety trial of the new vaccine. This group may have the potential to be “Super spreader” like the case in Wuhan. This vaccination that can be activated with 5G to make you very ill or kill if you are not compliant as the same as they did in Wuhan. This trial must be to do with this! https://trib.al/5m30XaS (https://trib.al/5m30XaS?fbclid=IwAR1vHu-7qCAbKOkaH_-rA4nL7ET69st22XzvXtVy2sp2qH8Lug2NJWNup8A)

US scientists have completed a coronavirus vaccine, Texas-based genetic engineering company claims (20/3/2020)

Greffex said Wednesday that they had finished development of their vaccine for the virus. Here’s the SHOCKER! The Forensic Nurse Corona virus bioweapon update. Its a collaboration between China and USA! What! The state of Texas, Greffex laboratory to manufacture bioweapon Corona virus vaccine. This laboratory is currently manufacturig Zika, Ebola, MERS, Avian flu H5N1 and many rare birth defects have been reported since 2012. Water supplies near this lab can and may be contaminated.
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Nurses Blast Government (https://nowhealthnews.com/nurses-blast-government-and-hospital-responses-to-coronavirus/) And Hospital Responses To Coronavirus

So they happen to have a vaccine ready at the same time that they begin to shut everything down in North America? Seems an odd coincidence.

One thing that I wanted to echo is something Bill said earlier - there is still so much that we do not know!

I would expect that there would be more information about exactly what the virus is and how it works. If they have a vaccine, you would think that there would be more published info about the virus itself. I have heard multiple numbers when it comes to how long it lives on surfaces. Infection rates, etc.

On the other hand, if it is as deadly as some claims, then stopping so much public activity right away is a responsible measure. Given the small numbers of infected people presently in North America I expect to see good control of the spread of this virus.

Yet I am also concerned that now that this virus has everyone'e attention the public's fears and anxieties can be more easily manipulated.

Unfortunately, I feel that we are in a precarious position.

[Delight]

This event is still amenable to changing our beliefs......I really like the idea here of bringing something to the association so that when we hear about it, we can FEEL good.


William Plante‎ to International Transurfing Institute Community
44 mins ·
Here's My Easy Transurfing 101 for Corona Virus

Most people will agree with me that the "virus pendulum" is everywhere right now. On our screens, in the words that people speak around us and even in our own minds. Almost impossible to ignore. But in my honest opinion, ignoring is not the solution here in order to drop importance.

From what I can observe, the panic that people are experiencing in their hearts right now is caused by their beliefs about the various negative outcomes they focus on. Beliefs which are mostly induced by the media and amplified by their own personal imagination. If it affects you emotionally, my suggestion here is that you change the negative meaning you attach to this virus into a more positive one, so that when you hear about it, you feel good.

The way to do it is not by suppressing, but by first completely accepting the negative scenario that you are already subconsciously believing in. Let it surface and feel it fully with no resistance. Let it be. Let it exist. Resistance equals focus on an undesired reality. And focus creates reality. Non resistance will naturally drop this negative focus. Once it is done and the tension is less strong, shift your attention on a better belief, meaning or scenario about the situation. After that, everytime you hear about the virus, remember your new positive beliefs/scenarios/meaning.

If once in a while fear gets you by surprise again, just acknowlege it as your old self and focus on the beliefs you crafted for your new self. Be the new self. Repeat the process if necessary.

For example, here's my new belief: It's ok if I get infected by the virus, I have very high chances of surviving. If I die, then it will be because my world wanted me too and I can't do much about it anyways. The truth is my body is energy and by practicing non resistance, I let my body do its job and protect me. The one thing I can do is to elevate my vibration by putting love in my heart instead of fear. Letting my love and non resistance uplift each and every single cell in my entire body, making it almost invincible... THE VIRUS IS AFRAID OF ME AND MY POWERFUL ENERGETIC FIELD... ;) Maybe this pandemic will turn out to be a quite positive thing for humanity, who knows? It's easy to judge when we don't see the big picture...

This is just an example. Be creative with it, the goal here is to focus you on a positive scenario in the alternative space which you can believe in right now, because THEY are endless.

Also be careful with your fear of death and disease. I suggest you read books about the afterlife and how people can heal with the power of their minds. Such works will give you higher beliefs which will greatly reduce the excess potential on this type of fear and make you an even more free and powerful human being.✌

[Patient]

This event is still amenable to changing our beliefs......I really like the idea here of bringing something to the association so that when we hear about it, we can FEEL good.


William Plante‎ to International Transurfing Institute Community
44 mins ·
Here's My Easy Transurfing 101 for Corona Virus

Most people will agree with me that the "virus pendulum" is everywhere right now. On our screens, in the words that people speak around us and even in our own minds. Almost impossible to ignore. But in my honest opinion, ignoring is not the solution here in order to drop importance.

From what I can observe, the panic that people are experiencing in their hearts right now is caused by their beliefs about the various negative outcomes they focus on. Beliefs which are mostly induced by the media and amplified by their own personal imagination. If it affects you emotionally, my suggestion here is that you change the negative meaning you attach to this virus into a more positive one, so that when you hear about it, you feel good.

The way to do it is not by suppressing, but by first completely accepting the negative scenario that you are already subconsciously believing in. Let it surface and feel it fully with no resistance. Let it be. Let it exist. Resistance equals focus on an undesired reality. And focus creates reality. Non resistance will naturally drop this negative focus. Once it is done and the tension is less strong, shift your attention on a better belief, meaning or scenario about the situation. After that, everytime you hear about the virus, remember your new positive beliefs/scenarios/meaning.

If once in a while fear gets you by surprise again, just acknowlege it as your old self and focus on the beliefs you crafted for your new self. Be the new self. Repeat the process if necessary.

For example, here's my new belief: It's ok if I get infected by the virus, I have very high chances of surviving. If I die, then it will be because my world wanted me too and I can't do much about it anyways. The truth is my body is energy and by practicing non resistance, I let my body do its job and protect me. The one thing I can do is to elevate my vibration by putting love in my heart instead of fear. Letting my love and non resistance uplift each and every single cell in my entire body, making it almost invincible... THE VIRUS IS AFRAID OF ME AND MY POWERFUL ENERGETIC FIELD... ;) Maybe this pandemic will turn out to be a quite positive thing for humanity, who knows? It's easy to judge when we don't see the big picture...

This is just an example. Be creative with it, the goal here is to focus you on a positive scenario in the alternative space which you can believe in right now, because THEY are endless.

Also be careful with your fear of death and disease. I suggest you read books about the afterlife and how people can heal with the power of their minds. Such works will give you higher beliefs which will greatly reduce the excess potential on this type of fear and make you an even more free and powerful human being.✌

What a GREAT post! Than you Delight! Everyone should read this through it at least twice!

I think about the number of people that may have been exposed to this virus and fought it off like so many other flu bugs. Myself, I do not get a flu vaccine, I get a flu bug - and often it is only an annoyance. Afterwards, I am stronger!

[Antagenet]

This is upsetting to read. I have no idea how much of it is true.

https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/chinese-intelligence-officer-reveals-true-magnitude-of-chinas-coronavirus-crisis/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Bill Ryan]

This is upsetting to read. I have no idea how much of it is true.

https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/chinese-intelligence-officer-reveals-true-magnitude-of-chinas-coronavirus-crisis/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueNone of it. You can completely disregard it. :)

[carnavas]

For someone who lives in Tehran, Iran I haven’t gone outside the house for more than 20 days and that’s why I can’t give anyone any insights about what’s happening outside:lol: I’m having fun and watching movies and have been following this thread since the beginning while appreciating everyone sharing their knowledge here, it’s so far so good. I found all the elderberry and oregano and vitamin c and many other spices mentioned here. I don’t see a full blown ghost town yet though the spread of the virus varies depending on which part of town and of course our people have always been ignorant as the only thing we have ran out of is masks. Some can’t quit their jobs or work from home and my heart goes to them but there are still many unnecessary roaming as I hear, even many laughter and talkings outside our house in the street! Government lying? Of course even their own people are dead or maybe lying to escape but thats cause their all illiterate and don’t know how to take care of themselves or the people. I bet we will and do have the worst case scenario but that won’t affect you much if you can self isolate and merge yourself in positive vibes (I’ve been making funny videos about the virus in my spare time). There are claims of many bank workers and nurses dying and that’s so sad I wish they knew more about vitamin c and these stuff going around and I’m trying my best to share. We order food and chicken for my rescue cats maybe once or twice a week and still didn’t welcomed the bug and hopefully not. Well, take care and I’m here if anyone has any questions about things that I maybe know.:sun:

[Bill Ryan]

I confess this made me smile. Nepal has just closed Mount Everest. :)

[Bill Ryan]

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So they happen to have a vaccine ready at the same time that they begin to shut everything down in North America?That video was published on 24 Feb, 3 weeks ago. That's like months ago, in this fast-track situation.

There's no vaccine, certainly nothing that can be used. Many who report things like this don't have all the info, or don't understand the info.

Creating a potentially viable vaccine is scientifically the easy bit. After that, even in a crisis, it takes many months or even years to test before any possible implementation. There may very well be vaccine issues with all this, but we're not even close to that happening yet.

[Bill Ryan]

1238317636536004614This tweet is important. It's the same in other countries, too.

Many politicians and sports personalities worldwide — and even celebrities like Tom Hanks and his wife — are getting tested and turning out positive.

That means something: of course, they're getting tested because they have influence and no-one's going to say 'No' to them if they ask for a test. But that's not the real point.

The number turning out positive is the thing to look at. This group of publicly high-profile people is a TINY TINY % of the population. Yet look at the numbers of positives.

What this means is that the numbers of actual positives in the whole population — if they were all to be tested, which isn't happening — is maybe 100x or even 1000x the currently reported numbers. We all have to confront the fact that this thing is just everywhere.

I'd predict with high confidence (but some reluctance!) that many more politicians and celebrities will report being infected in the next few weeks. At some point, regular people will start to realize what this means for them.

[David Trd1]

If you want me to post my real suspicions, I can. But that's a different topic.

Regardless of how this started, or any agenda behind it, real people are suffering and will suffer. This is not a Truman Show mirage.

Bill I would be extremely interested to hear what your thoughts/suspicions are regarding this...?

[DSKlausler]

1238317636536004614This tweet is important. It's the same in other countries, too.

Many politicians and sports personalities worldwide — and even celebrities like Tom Hanks and his wife — are getting tested and turning out positive.

That means something: of course, they're getting tested because they have influence and no-one's going to say 'No' to them if they ask for a test. But that's not the real point.

The number turning out positive is the thing to look at. This group of publicly high-profile people is a TINY TINY % of the population. Yet look at the numbers of positives.

What this means is that the numbers of actual positives in the whole population — if they were all to be tested, which isn't happening — is maybe 100x or even 1000x the currently reported numbers. We all have to confront the fact that this thing is just everywhere.

I'd predict with high confidence (but some reluctance!) that many more politicians and celebrities will report being infected in the next few weeks. At some point, regular people will start to realize what this means for them.

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the current testing is LOADED with both false positives AND false negatives - UNRELIABLE.

[mountain_jim]

I witnessed the empty isle of TP first hand yesterday in my area at the big box store.

However the grocery store had full shelves and was busy restocking while we were there.

I took off work early to get 2 more days in front of these fast-moving events, will know in next few days whether I caught anything or not, but things were still under control in our area on the surface.

Police were out and visible in shopping parking lots in case any riots or other disturbances started, but things had not yet reached that stage here.

Spent the most ever in one day on groceries and supplies, now back to our remote location prepared to shut-in for many weeks.

Am concerned about the news that the virus can survive on cardboard for 24 hours, as I (and countless others) are relying on UPS and Federal Express to deliver various things in cardboard shipping containers over next few weeks - already ordered.

[Pam]

Del Bigtree sides with other "alt minds" that the covid19 issue is poorly prioritized (at the very least). Is it worth all the draconian measures employed and all the fallout and the economic destruction?

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I can't help but feel like this is being used as (at least in the US) a means to funnel more money out of the public coffers and to prop up this sick, leveraged economic system. This is the excuse for what was inevitable. I am feeling the energy around this whole event being as thick as molasses. Also, the way this was handled here is meant to induce the most panic possible. One day, everything is great and the next we have to bail out the frigging shale industry who are up to their teeth in leveraged debt. Of course, none of this will stop the CEO's of these companies from walking away with their millions in bonuses.

[Pam]

If you want me to post my real suspicions, I can. But that's a different topic.

Regardless of how this started, or any agenda behind it, real people are suffering and will suffer. This is not a Truman Show mirage.

Bill I would be extremely interested to hear what your thoughts/suspicions are regarding this...?

I second that, Bill we would like to hear your suspicions.

[arwen]

1238317636536004614This tweet is important. It's the same in other countries, too.

Many politicians and sports personalities worldwide — and even celebrities like Tom Hanks and his wife — are getting tested and turning out positive.

That means something: of course, they're getting tested because they have influence and no-one's going to say 'No' to them if they ask for a test. But that's not the real point.

The number turning out positive is the thing to look at. This group of publicly high-profile people is a TINY TINY % of the population. Yet look at the numbers of positives.

What this means is that the numbers of actual positives in the whole population — if they were all to be tested, which isn't happening — is maybe 100x or even 1000x the currently reported numbers. We all have to confront the fact that this thing is just everywhere.

I'd predict with high confidence (but some reluctance!) that many more politicians and celebrities will report being infected in the next few weeks. At some point, regular people will start to realize what this means for them.

They are already realizing it. It is DIRE in the US.

In complete callousness, companies are laying off their workers (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-bz-coronavirus-layoffs-lighting-20200312-gwcljaibsbcazkgnkxyqci7dni-story.html), throwing them out in the cold.

Many, MANY people in the US are without Health Insurance as they are part-time casual workers. A full-time job with Health Care is a luxury in the US, most companies have split their jobs into part-time work to avoid paying benefits to people.

People not only cannot afford to get tested or treated, now with mass layoffs of vulnerable low-paid workers, they will not even be able to afford to eat or even keep healthy.

But never mind, for the lawmakers (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-coronavirus-florida-capitol-session-20200312-mquvupulwjga5ahjptx2t5wc5u-story.html) all is fine, business as usual:


We’re kind of in a self-contained environment here, in some sense disconnected from what’s going on in the real world,” said Rep. Bruce Antone, D-Orlando. “It’s a disconnect and I’m not sure I can describe it.


So never mind, lawmakers will still be hard at work making laws - at least they have their priorities right.

Clinically insane, is the most polite thing I can say.

[Pam]

For someone who lives in Tehran, Iran I haven’t gone outside the house for more than 20 days and that’s why I can’t give anyone any insights about what’s happening outside:lol: I’m having fun and watching movies and have been following this thread since the beginning while appreciating everyone sharing their knowledge here, it’s so far so good. I found all the elderberry and oregano and vitamin c and many other spices mentioned here. I don’t see a full blown ghost town yet though the spread of the virus varies depending on which part of town and of course our people have always been ignorant as the only thing we have ran out of is masks. Some can’t quit their jobs or work from home and my heart goes to them but there are still many unnecessary roaming as I hear, even many laughter and talkings outside our house in the street! Government lying? Of course even their own people are dead or maybe lying to escape but thats cause their all illiterate and don’t know how to take care of themselves or the people. I bet we will and do have the worst case scenario but that won’t affect you much if you can self isolate and merge yourself in positive vibes (I’ve been making funny videos about the virus in my spare time). There are claims of many bank workers and nurses dying and that’s so sad I wish they knew more about vitamin c and these stuff going around and I’m trying my best to share. We order food and chicken for my rescue cats maybe once or twice a week and still didn’t welcomed the bug and hopefully not. Well, take care and I’m here if anyone has any questions about things that I maybe know.:sun:

carnavas. thank you so much for your post. It is so interesting to get your on the ground perspective from Tehran. I hope you will continue to keep us posted about your observations there. I so appreciate the international perspective we are getting on this thread.

[TomKat]

I must admit this was rather humorous.


I think people are worried about being quarantined and running out of TP. That's all the sense I can make of it.

[Gracy]

Many politicians and sports personalities worldwide — and even celebrities like Tom Hanks and his wife — are getting tested and turning out positive.

That means something: of course, they're getting tested because they have influence and no-one's going to say 'No' to them if they ask for a test. But that's not the real point.

The number turning out positive is the thing to look at. This group of publicly high-profile people is a TINY TINY % of the population. Yet look at the numbers of positives.

What this means is that the numbers of actual positives in the whole population — if they were all to be tested, which isn't happening — is maybe 100x or even 1000x the currently reported numbers. We all have to confront the fact that this thing is just everywhere.

I'd predict with high confidence (but some reluctance!) that many more politicians and celebrities will report being infected in the next few weeks. At some point, regular people will start to realize what this means for them.

I wonder how much of this has to do with how much these people travel, and hobnob around?

[Tintin]

Very sobering news indeed, from Italy :flower:

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Link: https://twitter.com/Freedoc_be/status/1237988013789138945

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Very sobering news indeed, from Italy :flower:

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Link: https://twitter.com/Freedoc_be/status/1237988013789138945

I heard this news on Tuesday, are they just getting word of this in Italy today?

[thepainterdoug]

Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19]
I confess this made me smile. Nepal has just closed Mount Everest.

Bill, and that in turn reminded me of a humorous quote from WC Fields. " I went to Jersey City over the weekend. It was closed. "

[Pam]

I must admit this was rather humorous.


I think people are worried about being quarantined and running out of TP. That's all the sense I can make of it.

At the end of the day, there are alternatives to TP in a pinch. Running out of TP or paper towels is not life threatening. I think that a couple of videos of people hoarding TP led to the masses automatically following the lead without reasoning it out. I think it is a shining example of how easy we humans can be influenced and led.

[Agape]

Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19]
I confess this made me smile. Nepal has just closed Mount Everest.

Bill, and that in turn reminded me of a humorous quote from WC Fields. " I went to Jersey City over the weekend. It was closed. "

Of course no normal people would go there in this weather , honestly ⛈

[Delight]

The list of drugs that may increase issues includes Ibuprofen....


Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
Lei Fang
George Karakiulakis
Michael Roth
Published:March 11, 2020 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext)

https://i.redd.it/er1sowrhufm41.jpg

.............Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels.4 The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).4
Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2.5 ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.

If this hypothesis were to be confirmed, it could lead to a conflict regarding treatment because ACE2 reduces inflammation and has been suggested as a potential new therapy for inflammatory lung diseases, cancer, diabetes, and hypertension. A further aspect that should be investigated is the genetic predisposition for an increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, which might be due to ACE2 polymorphisms that have been linked to diabetes mellitus, cerebral stroke, and hypertension, specifically in Asian populations. Summarising this information, the sensitivity of an individual might result from a combination of both therapy and ACE2 polymorphism.

We suggest that patients with cardiac diseases, hypertension, or diabetes, who are treated with ACE2-increasing drugs, are at higher risk for severe COVID-19 infection and, therefore, should be monitored for ACE2-modulating medications, such as ACE inhibitors or ARBs. Based on a PubMed search on Feb 28, 2020, we did not find any evidence to suggest that antihypertensive calcium channel blockers increased ACE2 expression or activity, therefore these could be a suitable alternative treatment in these patients.

[Delight]

This is a interesting presentation of viral mechanisms and differences about the novel corona virus.

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[pyrangello]

They just closed all schools in the state of michigan k thru 12 starting on monday for 3 weeks and maybe more. Also my relative works for one of the big insurance carriers , they told everyone to start working from home yesterday. Just an update here .

[Tintin]

Very sobering news indeed, from Italy :flower:

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Link: https://twitter.com/Freedoc_be/status/1237988013789138945

I heard this news on Tuesday, are they just getting word of this in Italy today?

I've not long ago picked this up from our Avalon twitter feed, today. The doctor who tweeted this appears to be based in Belgium (_be being a clue there). Perhaps they've only, within their professional network, just received confirmation on who died. (Actually, Mar 12th according to the tweet).

[Delight]

Looks like UK may incline to let the epidemic peak in around 10-14 weeks? The bell curve described also has significant infection 3-4 weeks on either side.

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[Tintin]

The list of drugs that may increase issues includes Ibuprofen....


Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
Lei Fang
George Karakiulakis
Michael Roth
Published:March 11, 2020 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext)

.............Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels.4 The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).4
Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2.5 ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.

If this hypothesis were to be confirmed, it could lead to a conflict regarding treatment because ACE2 reduces inflammation and has been suggested as a potential new therapy for inflammatory lung diseases, cancer, diabetes, and hypertension. A further aspect that should be investigated is the genetic predisposition for an increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, which might be due to ACE2 polymorphisms that have been linked to diabetes mellitus, cerebral stroke, and hypertension, specifically in Asian populations. Summarising this information, the sensitivity of an individual might result from a combination of both therapy and ACE2 polymorphism.

We suggest that patients with cardiac diseases, hypertension, or diabetes, who are treated with ACE2-increasing drugs, are at higher risk for severe COVID-19 infection and, therefore, should be monitored for ACE2-modulating medications, such as ACE inhibitors or ARBs. Based on a PubMed search on Feb 28, 2020, we did not find any evidence to suggest that antihypertensive calcium channel blockers increased ACE2 expression or activity, therefore these could be a suitable alternative treatment in these patients.


Very interesting article Delight. Thank you :flower:

There's some good looking and helpful information there, for sure.

I've popped it in the library (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/%5bLANCET%5d_Are_patients_with_hypertension_and_diabetes_melitus_at_increased_risk_for_COVID-19_infection_(Fang_et_al)_Mar_2020_PIIS2213260020301168.pdf) now as a possible essential research piece.

[betoobig]

Madrid is closed , my city too. Streets empty. People asked to stay at home. Long lines, not inside supermarkets, but to just come in. no fear, much love

[vizon]

I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends" :(

[Sue (Ayt)]

The list of drugs that may increase issues includes Ibuprofen....


Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
Lei Fang
George Karakiulakis
Michael Roth
Published:March 11, 2020 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext)

.............Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels.4 The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).4
Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2.5 ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.

If this hypothesis were to be confirmed, it could lead to a conflict regarding treatment because ACE2 reduces inflammation and has been suggested as a potential new therapy for inflammatory lung diseases, cancer, diabetes, and hypertension. A further aspect that should be investigated is the genetic predisposition for an increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, which might be due to ACE2 polymorphisms that have been linked to diabetes mellitus, cerebral stroke, and hypertension, specifically in Asian populations. Summarising this information, the sensitivity of an individual might result from a combination of both therapy and ACE2 polymorphism.

We suggest that patients with cardiac diseases, hypertension, or diabetes, who are treated with ACE2-increasing drugs, are at higher risk for severe COVID-19 infection and, therefore, should be monitored for ACE2-modulating medications, such as ACE inhibitors or ARBs. Based on a PubMed search on Feb 28, 2020, we did not find any evidence to suggest that antihypertensive calcium channel blockers increased ACE2 expression or activity, therefore these could be a suitable alternative treatment in these patients.


Great find, Delight!
I was able to find 3 articles that may be relevant as far as natural Ace Inhibitors and ARBs (Angiotensin II receptor blockers).

The first link has a table with a list of natural substances that are readily available. Many have already been mentioned here at PA. Be sure to click the table, and maybe download it.
Hypertension: Is It Time to Replace Drugs With Nutrition and Nutraceuticals? (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3989080/)

The second link is about berberine. (also readily available). I thought of this, and searched it, as it has allowed my husband to come off his BP meds. (that, and Hawthorne Berry)
Effects of berberine on angiotensin-converting enzyme and NO/cGMP system in vessels. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14567065)
Hawthorn: The Three-in-One Natural Remedy for High Blood Pressure
(http://dynamicchiropractic.ca/mpacms/dc_ca/article.php?id=53661)

[Baby Steps]

From the front line in Seattle, appears things are already pretty desperate:



"Information from an Intensivist (ICU doctor) front line Seattle

* we have 21 pts and 11 deaths since 2/28.
* we are seeing pts who are young (20s), fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. It does happen.
* US has been past containment since January
* Currently, all of ICU is for critically ill COVIDs, all of floor medsurg for stable COVIDs and EOL care, half of PCU, half of ER. New resp-sx pts Pulmonary Clinic offshoot is open

* CDC is no longer imposing home quarantine on providers who were wearing only droplet iso PPE when intubating, suctioning, bronching, and in one case doing bloody neurosurgery. Expect when it comes to your place you may initially have staff home-quarantined. Plan for this NOW. Consider wearing airborne iso PPE for aerosol-generating procedures in ANY pt in whom you suspect COVID, just to prevent the mass quarantines.

* we ran out of N95s (thanks, Costco hoarders) and are bleaching and re-using PAPRs, which is not the manufacturer's recommendation. Not surprised on N95s as we use mostly CAPRs anyway, but still.

*terminal cleans (inc UV light) for ER COVID rooms are taking forever, Enviro Services is overwhelmed. Bad as pts are stuck coughing in the waiting room. Rec planning now for Enviro upstaffing, or having a plan for sick pts to wait in their cars (that is not legal here, sadly).

* CLINICAL INFO based on our cases and info from CDC conf call today with other COVID providers in US:

* the Chinese data on 80% mildly ill, 14% hospital-ill, 6-8% critically ill are generally on the mark. Data very skewed by late and very limited testing, and the number of our elderly pts going to comfort care.

- being young & healthy (zero medical problems) does not rule out becoming vented or dead - probably the time course to developing significant lower resp sx is about a week or longer (which also fits with timing of sick cases we started seeing here, after we all assumed it was endemic as of late Jan/early Feb).

- based on our hospitalized cases (including the not formally diagnosed ones who are obviously COVID

- it is quite clinically unique) about 1/3 have mild lower resp sx, need 1-5L NC. 1/3 are sicker, FM or NRB. 1/3 tubed with ARDS.

Thus far, everyone is seeing:
- nl WBC. Almost always lymphopenic, occasionally poly-predominant but with nl total WBC. Doesn't change, even 10days in.

- BAL lymphocytic despite blood lymphopenic (try not to bronch these pts; this data is from pre-testing time when we had several idiopathic ARDS cases)

- fevers, often high, may be intermittent; persistently febrile, often for >10d. It isn't the dexmed, it's the SARS2.
- low ProCalc; may be useful to check initially for later trending if later concern for VAP etc.

- up AST/ALT, sometimes alk phos. Usually in 70-100 range. No fulminant hepatitis. Notably, in our small sample, higher transaminitis at admit (150-200) correlates with clinical deterioration and progression to ARDS. LFTs typically begin to bump in 2nd week of clinical course. - mild AKI (Cr <2). Uncertain if direct viral effect, but notably SARS2 RNA fragments have been identified in liver, kidneys, heart, and blood.

* characteristic CXR always bilateral patchy or reticular infiltrates, sometimes perihilar despite nl EF and volume down at presentation. At time of presentation may be subtle, but always present, even in our pts on chronic high dose steroids. NO effusions. CT is as expected, rarely mild mediastinal LAD, occ small effusions late in course which might be related to volume status/cap leak.

* Note - China is CT'ing everyone, even outpts, as a primarily diagnostic modality. However, in US/Europe, CT is rare, since findings are nonspecific, would not change management, and the ENTIRE scanner and room have to terminal-cleaned, which is just impossible in a busy hospital. Also, transport in PAPRs. Etc. 2 of our pts had CTs for idiopathic ARDS in the pre-test era; they looked like the CTs in the journal articles. Not more helpful than CXR. - when resp failure occurs, it is RAPID (likely 7-10d out from sx onset, but rapid progression from hospital admit). Common scenario for our pts is, admit 1L NC. Next 12hrs -> NPPV. Next 12-24hrs -> vent/proned/Flolan.

- interestingly, despite some needing Flolan, the hypoxia is not as refractory as with H1N1. Quite different, and quite unique. Odd enough that you'd notice and say hmmm.

- thus far many are dying of cardiac arrest rather than inability to ventilate/oxygenate.

- given the inevitable rapid progression to ETT once resp decompensation begins, we and other hosps, including Wuhan, are doing early intubation. Facemask is fine, but if needing HFNC or NPPV just tube them. They definitely will need a tube anyway, & no point risking the aerosols.

- no MOSF. There's the mild AST/ALT elevation, maybe a small Cr bump, but no florid failure. except cardiomyopathy.

- multiple pts here have had nl EF on formal Echo or POCUS at time of admit (or in a couple of cases EF 40ish, chronically). Also nl Tpn from ED. Then they get the horrible resp failure, sans sepsis or shock. Then they turn the corner, off Flolan, supined, vent weaning, looking good, never any pressor requirement. Then over 12hrs, newly cold, clamped, multiple-pressor shock that looks cardiogenic, EF 10% or less, then either VT->VF-> dead or PEA-> asystole in less than a day.

Needless to say this is awful for families who had started to have hope.

- We have actually had more asystole than VT, other facilities report more VT/VF, but same time course, a few days or a week after admit, around the time they're turning the corner. This occurs on med-surg pts too; one today who is elderly and chronically ill but baseline EF preserved, newly hypoTN overnight, EF<10. Already no escalation, has since passed, So presumably there is a viral CM aspect, which presents later in the course of dz.

- of note, no WMAs on Echo, RV preserved, Tpns don't bump. Could be unrelated, but I've never seen anything like it before, esp in a pt who had been HD stable without sepsis.

Treatment -

*Remdesivir might work, some hosps have seen improvement with it quite rapidly, marked improvement in 1-3 days. ARDS trajectory is impressive with it, pts improve much more rapidly than expected in usual ARDS.

*Recommended course is 10d, but due to scarcity all hosps have stopped it when pt clinically out of the woods - none have continued >5d. It might cause LFT bump, but interestingly seem to bump (200s-ish) for a day or 2 after starting then rapidly back to normal - suggests not a primary toxic hepatitis.

*unfortunately, the Gilead compassionate use and trial programs require AST/ALT <5x normal, which is pretty much almost no actual COVID pts. Also CrCl>30, which is fine. CDC is working with Gilead to get LFT reqs changed now that we know this is a mild viral hepatitis.

-currently the Gilead trial is wrapping up, NIH trial still enrolling, some new trial soon to begin can't remember where.

*steroids are up in the air. In China usual clinical practice for all ARDS is high dose methylpred. Thus, ALL of their pts have had high dose methylpred. Some question whether this practice increases mortality.

*it is likely that it increases seconday VAP/HAP. China has had a high rate of drug resistant GNR HAP/VAP and fungal pna in these pts, with resulting increases mortality. We have seen none, even in the earlier pts who were vented for >10d before being bronched (prior to test availability, again it is not a great idea to bronch these pts now).

- unclear whether VAP-prevention strategies are also different, but wouldn't think so?

- Hong Kong is currently running an uncontrolled trial of HC 100IV Q8.

- general consensus here (in US among docs who have cared for COVID pts) is that steroids will do more harm than good, unless needed for other indications.

- many of our pts have COPD on ICS. Current consensus at Evergreen, after some observation & some clinical judgment, is to stop ICS if able, based on known data with other viral pneumonias and increased susceptibility to HAP. Thus far pts are tolerating that, no major issues with ventilating them that can't be managed with vent changes. We also have quite a few on AE-COPD/asthma doses of methylpred, so will be interesting to see how they do."

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends" :(

My feeling is that everyone has to prepare for this in a way that works for them. I started getting extra groceries 3 weeks ago and people who knew about it, including my middle daughter told me I had simply lost my mind. I wondered for a day or two if I was over prepared. Now I realize that I am comfortable with what I did and that is really all that matters!

Take care of yourself and take care of your family and remember that your mental state can also help your body defend itself!

P.S. All three of my children are coming out to the forest to stay with me, my son said he knows I have enough stuff to keep them all safe!

[Sarah Rainsong]

I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends" :(

You are doing great. Keep it up. Your friend sounds like he's in the "angry" stage of the adjustment period. Hopefully, he'll move beyond that soon and apologize. But if not, it's not your fault.

You might watch the below video by Chris Martenson to help understand the necessary "adjustment period" if you haven't seen it yet. You are not the only one who's having to deal with angry friends/relatives right now. :hug:

It's been shared before, but I'll share it again (hope that's okay):
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[Pam]

I was trying to find out how many actual tests have been performed in the US. This is one thing I found dated March 12th.

CDC tested only 77 people this week; coronavirus testing slow around the nation

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tested-only-77-people-this-week-coronavirus-testing-slow-around-the-nation-153646616.html


No wonder the numbers are so low. I just went into town and (I live in Washington state) and the gym is once more again full, the stores are busy and it is business as usual. This is a tourist town and has a retirement community. There are lots of old people living here. Oodles of people come here from the Seattle area and from all over the world for vacations or a day in the country. I am convinced that most of the people in this country are so brainwashed by the propaganda that they see that there are only 1,300 cases and it is very easy to be in denial. Maybe this is more of a rural mindset.

I am really wondering what the hell is going on. The CDC simply cannot be that inept. Is it possible that they are? In the middle of a friggin epidemic they perform 77 tests? That is absolutely insane. There was an article I read today about Medics in Kirkland Washington (the first cluster area) running out of PPE. Are we to believe that the CDC whose single job is to protect the public has not stockpiled gloves, masks or PPE for emergency personnel in the case of a pandemic? You couldn't buy a face mask around here if your life depended upon it and it has been that way since early February. That was way before most people even had an inkling of this.

I listened to Mike Pence speak yesterday and he cleverly evaded the fact that testing is basically not happening within the CDC. He keeps touting the fact that we have all these experts and we're throwing 8.5 billion at this,yet the very basics are not being accomplished. I am absolutely sickened by what I see happening here. I would like to know what is really going on here. Things are not adding up. I hope that there will be some states that will step up here it is obvious the Federal government won't be there for us, and I am determined to figure out why at some point. Also, I think we need to demand accountability for the 8.5 billion of hard earned taxpayer money that is going towards this.

[Caliban]

At the risk of drawing the (gentle) wrath and (not so gentle) judgments of Bill Ryan, here is Jon Rappoport's latest.

If nothing else, his recent series is provocative and forces you to think and question.



Italy: “ICU wards are overflowing”
Mar 13


by Jon Rappoport

March 13, 2020


Some people, even if they have fallen over a cliff, would, on the way down, shout: “The virus must be dangerous! What else could it be?”

“People are dying! It’s got to be the virus!”

How about this? “The ICU hospital wards in Italy are overflowing. It’s the virus.”

Step back and think. THINK IT THROUGH.

Watching a recent interview with an Italian public health official, I had the impression that perhaps several thousand new ICU patients were burdening the hospital system in the northern part of the country. Several thousand out of a national population of 60 million.

Here’s the trick. Before the announcement of the coronavirus epidemic, people who showed up at those hospitals, with flu, flu-like symptoms, lung infections, pneumonia would be placed in the general wards and treated, or even sent home with drugs.

But now they would, many of them, be called “presumptive cases” of coronavirus, without any tests at all, or after tests which don’t work (see my prior articles on why the diagnostic tests are useless and deceptive). By labeling these patients “contagious coronavirus,” the hospital doctors are forced to send them to the ICU, to “protect others from the infection.”

Thus, these ICUs are crowded and overflowing.

The press publishes pictures of the ICUs and the hysteria factor bubbles up a few degrees hotter.

The press interviews a hospital doctor, and he says, “We’re starting to see a few more children with the virus.” The public reaction? “Incredible! Now even healthy children are getting sick!” I have breaking news. Children do get sick. Like adults, they develop flu-like symptoms. And as with adults, they can now be diagnosed as “presumptive coronavirus cases.”

“But what about people dying in Italy?” As in other countries, people in Italy do die. They always have. Especially old people, who have all sorts of long-term health problems. Labeling them with “coronavirus” at the last minute doesn’t explain the cause of death.

“Healthy people in Italy are dying.” Two points here. First, sometimes these healthy people aren’t really healthy at all. And second, if you were healthy, and you were suddenly diagnosed, for no reason, with a virus you believed was dangerous and even deadly, and then you were isolated in an ICU ward, allowed no visitors, perhaps even put on a ventilator, and then treated with highly toxic antiviral drugs, do you think there is a chance you would die?

The whole aim of stage magic is, as we all know, deflection of attention. The audience is guided to look HERE, while the trick is being executed THERE. Here, a woman is being sawed in half. There, she is escaping from the back of the box.

In the “epidemic,” HERE is where people are sick and dying and diagnosed. THERE is where a fictional reason is being cooked up to explain why.

“But…but…Italy, Italy, Italy, people dying, virus, virus…I don’t get it…”

Yes you do. You’re getting the message the public health officials want to shove into your mind. You’re standing on a street corner watching a pro execute his shell game, and you’re falling for it every time.

[Pam]

At the risk of drawing the (gentle) wrath and (not so gentle) judgments of Bill Ryan, here is Jon Rappoport's latest.

If nothing else, his recent series is provocative and forces you to think and question.



Italy: “ICU wards are overflowing”
Mar 13


by Jon Rappoport

March 13, 2020


Some people, even if they have fallen over a cliff, would, on the way down, shout: “The virus must be dangerous! What else could it be?”

“People are dying! It’s got to be the virus!”

How about this? “The ICU hospital wards in Italy are overflowing. It’s the virus.”

Step back and think. THINK IT THROUGH.

Watching a recent interview with an Italian public health official, I had the impression that perhaps several thousand new ICU patients were burdening the hospital system in the northern part of the country. Several thousand out of a national population of 60 million.

Here’s the trick. Before the announcement of the coronavirus epidemic, people who showed up at those hospitals, with flu, flu-like symptoms, lung infections, pneumonia would be placed in the general wards and treated, or even sent home with drugs.

But now they would, many of them, be called “presumptive cases” of coronavirus, without any tests at all, or after tests which don’t work (see my prior articles on why the diagnostic tests are useless and deceptive). By labeling these patients “contagious coronavirus,” the hospital doctors are forced to send them to the ICU, to “protect others from the infection.”

Thus, these ICUs are crowded and overflowing.

The press publishes pictures of the ICUs and the hysteria factor bubbles up a few degrees hotter.

The press interviews a hospital doctor, and he says, “We’re starting to see a few more children with the virus.” The public reaction? “Incredible! Now even healthy children are getting sick!” I have breaking news. Children do get sick. Like adults, they develop flu-like symptoms. And as with adults, they can now be diagnosed as “presumptive coronavirus cases.”

“But what about people dying in Italy?” As in other countries, people in Italy do die. They always have. Especially old people, who have all sorts of long-term health problems. Labeling them with “coronavirus” at the last minute doesn’t explain the cause of death.

“Healthy people in Italy are dying.” Two points here. First, sometimes these healthy people aren’t really healthy at all. And second, if you were healthy, and you were suddenly diagnosed, for no reason, with a virus you believed was dangerous and even deadly, and then you were isolated in an ICU ward, allowed no visitors, perhaps even put on a ventilator, and then treated with highly toxic antiviral drugs, do you think there is a chance you would die?

The whole aim of stage magic is, as we all know, deflection of attention. The audience is guided to look HERE, while the trick is being executed THERE. Here, a woman is being sawed in half. There, she is escaping from the back of the box.

In the “epidemic,” HERE is where people are sick and dying and diagnosed. THERE is where a fictional reason is being cooked up to explain why.

“But…but…Italy, Italy, Italy, people dying, virus, virus…I don’t get it…”

Yes you do. You’re getting the message the public health officials want to shove into your mind. You’re standing on a street corner watching a pro execute his shell game, and you’re falling for it every time.

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

[Caliban]

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

You know for a fact that all the cases they're calling Covid have been "tested" and "proven" to be such?

[Bill Ryan]

I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends" :(Words of support, no problem. That's what we're all here for. :flower:

Watch this video. Please do that. Everything will make sense. Trust me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogf6Hru2trE

[carnavas]

For someone who lives in Tehran, Iran I haven’t gone outside the house for more than 20 days and that’s why I can’t give anyone any insights about what’s happening outside:lol: I’m having fun and watching movies and have been following this thread since the beginning while appreciating everyone sharing their knowledge here, it’s so far so good. I found all the elderberry and oregano and vitamin c and many other spices mentioned here. I don’t see a full blown ghost town yet though the spread of the virus varies depending on which part of town and of course our people have always been ignorant as the only thing we have ran out of is masks. Some can’t quit their jobs or work from home and my heart goes to them but there are still many unnecessary roaming as I hear, even many laughter and talkings outside our house in the street! Government lying? Of course even their own people are dead or maybe lying to escape but thats cause their all illiterate and don’t know how to take care of themselves or the people. I bet we will and do have the worst case scenario but that won’t affect you much if you can self isolate and merge yourself in positive vibes (I’ve been making funny videos about the virus in my spare time). There are claims of many bank workers and nurses dying and that’s so sad I wish they knew more about vitamin c and these stuff going around and I’m trying my best to share. We order food and chicken for my rescue cats maybe once or twice a week and still didn’t welcomed the bug and hopefully not. Well, take care and I’m here if anyone has any questions about things that I maybe know.:sun:

carnavas. thank you so much for your post. It is so interesting to get your on the ground perspective from Tehran. I hope you will continue to keep us posted about your observations there. I so appreciate the international perspective we are getting on this thread.

A commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps with 37 years of experience has died today from the virus (Naser Shabani) I guess he’s not very famous.

in 24 hours they’re finally closing all traffic in malls, roads (some minority were using the opportunity to go on vacation around Iran that’s unbelievable) and public places. I think they lie about the statistics and the official numbers are only the confirmed ones which have been in the hospital and tested positive excluding the ones who died before any test was available, but exaggerate on 60% not adhering many have self quarantined.

from a week to 10 days from now everyone’s going to be observed one time either by phone or Internet or if necessary a visit to find every possible case with the virus and making sure healthy ones are quarantined and none healthy ones taken to hospital care, I’m not sure what that means though.

We are approaching Persian new year in 2 weeks but all the festivals and new year shoppings and traditional family visits have been cancelled. All the masks and hand gels where hoarded for profit by both the government and private sellers the first 2 weeks but I still can’t find good filter masks to buy. Luckily there never was any shortage of necessary goods in grocery stores there was only panic buying for medicines and there were some charities going around distributing free masks and gels by private drug stores and good people around mostly for the vulnerables.

They say our government have been keeping silent about the virus and downplaying its seriousness for some time even before the first case and the golden time first week to make sure the parliament elections and Bahman 22 rallies will go on undisturbed. But on the other hand this may not be true because the government is always lazy and delayed in action or maybe they wanted to blame the low rate of election participation on the virus.

This is all I know for now. And some advice on toilet paper lol, you can always use water in a shortage that’s how we do it in the middle east, just fill a bottle of water put it nearby and wash yourself with in on the seat, sorry if I’m giving details.

[Alan]

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

What your friend (and so many others) is missing, is isolation and stocking up DO keep you safe/healthy, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, it slows the spread of the virus, and "flattens the curve".

If you get infected, you are likely to recover just fine. However, you will probably infect others, and they'll infect others, etc. Eventually it may reach someone with a weak immune system, and that person dies. Maybe lots will die.

Isolation saves lives.

[Delight]

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

When i read JR's blog post, all i could think is that he has such denial that he cannot conceive his POV may have gaping holes. Yes, no matter what the cause, people are not placed in ICU care unless they NEED ICU care. Perhaps if there were sufficient specialized rooms for isolation they would be placed there for presumed infection but NOT ICU. And no medical staff would suspend the care of all other types of cases (I read that in one setting only cardiac care was not converted) unless the overwhelming needs of patients with pneumonia were present.

You mentioned earlier that you cannot comprehend the CDC etc.'s complete failure and the other mixed messages and dropped balls. I can't EITHER. Moreover, I can't understand seemingly mentally cognizant individuals like JR continuing to be claiming the illness is not happening? How does that serve except to be gaslighting us also? I trust the stories from people experiencing the crisis.

On my walk today I was thinking about many threads of incomprehensibility that point to a shattering of the "mind matrix" which has created the paradigm we have been living in. I do agree with JR's concept of imagination being important. I imagine this as the ultimate wake up to the world that I know in my heart IS POSSIBLE (paraphrase of Charles Eisenstein).


What we really want, I said, is for humanity to hold nature sacred again. What we want is to move from a society of domination to one of participation, from conquest to co-creation, from extraction to regeneration, from harm to healing, and from separation to love. And we want to enact this transition in all our relations: ecological, economic, political, and personal. That is why we can say, “The revolution is love.”charles eisenstein extinction and the revolution of love/ (https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/extinction-and-the-revolution-of-love/)

I do believe that people are left to deal with this "fracture" as best we can in order to reintegrate. I am half woowoo/ half grounded in that I think we MUST become self (SELF) reliant now then interdependent at a new level. WE are forced to turn in to hear guidance, determine we are creative and resourceful, and refuse to be lulled into inactivity. ACTION that promotes OUR OWN well fare (put the oxygen mask on first) and the well fare of those we meet (family, friends, neighbors) while refusing to be afraid is all we have that is real moment to moment.

I will probably keep reading and wondering at all the bizarre events but everything has become so tangled that I don't know how it can be untangled. My imaginative exercise is to see this as the crack up like when the shell of a chicken egg falls off. Principles that help me deal as best I can, when I can with what may play out is my craving.

[Eva2]

Putting a transcendental perspective on this from Alfredo Sfeir Younis:

'For whoever wants to listen. I've said it many times. Today, I perceive many deeply unbalanced spiritual dimensions that explain what we are living through: our duality. "When I don't contribute to totality -- human beings, sentient beings and nature -- natural law makes us disappear". An irrefutable truth. Today the human-virus is at war with the crown-virus; the latter comes to eliminate the individual and collective ego. Let's wake up now. If we had a dialogue with sentient beings and nature, what would they tell us? This is not esoteric.'

[Delight]

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

You know for a fact that all the cases they're calling Covid have been "tested" and "proven" to be such?

I do know that the "kind" of pneumonia is unique when a case devolves to that state. It is usually swiftly deteriorating, has a CT ground glass lung appearance and people begin to drown in fluids in the lungs. I am not even sure it matters if the test is positive at the point of illness. IMO the point of testing of cases is to identify the spread so containment might occur. That is why IMO the lack of testing and the presumption that only symptomatic people are carriers leads me to suspect this is an intentional collapse.

EDIT... apparently cardiac arrest is more pressing than I knew.

[thepainterdoug]

Posted by VIZON /" My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die.""

I dont respond to this kind of reprimand. AS if its your fault you weren't born in a war torn area of the world. He's making it a competition , an ego battle over who has suffered more .

Its not a contest . Do what you must and best wishes/ doug

[Dorjezigzag]

Like many people on this forum I have had an instinct about this virus from the start, I hadn’t posted on this forum for years but the severity of the situation compelled me to post. Even if the virus miraculously stops now the repercussions have already been set in motion.

On many fronts it has been a big fail from the scientific community, with lots of biased, wishful thinking, an unfortunate illustration of how money focused and corrupt much of the mainstream scientific community has become.
Of course there have been notable independent exceptions such as Chris Martenson, whose peak prosperity videos have been a representation of what science should be.

In this post I’m including a snippet of an article I have written and a link if you want to read further. Like some others on this forum I navigate this world through symbols and signs in a way that may seem very irrational and perhaps crazy to some but it is an ancient tradition and one that has proved very accurate in my awareness of events before during and after they unfold.

Appropriately the main image that I relate to this time happens to be the image that I use as a cropped avatar on this forum in various forms.
https://www.bee3.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/coronaskulldeath-1963x2048.jpg

Here is the image I am relating to the corona virus in the article.
https://www.bee3.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/gforce-sm.jpg


“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung

The corona virus has become an image of death, of the shadow and thus the perfect symbol of projection for everyone’s fears and prejudices, including my own. Its newness and uniqueness means it inhabits the territory of the unknown and undiscovered. As its identity is not fully formed peoples imaginations are free to construct mythologies and narratives around its creation and evolution. Many of those fears that people are projecting are justified and represent an apprehension of our modern world but if we truly are in pursuit of truth we have to try and be aware of our own prejudice and consider how it is colouring our perception.

https://www.bee3.org/?page_id=472

[Delight]

From the front line in Seattle, appears things are already pretty desperate:



"Information from an Intensivist (ICU doctor) front line Seattle

* we have 21 pts and 11 deaths since 2/28.
* we are seeing pts who are young (20s), fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. It does happen.
* US has been past containment since January
* Currently, all of ICU is for critically ill COVIDs, all of floor medsurg for stable COVIDs and EOL care, half of PCU, half of ER. New resp-sx pts Pulmonary Clinic offshoot is open

* CDC is no longer imposing home quarantine on providers who were wearing only droplet iso PPE when intubating, suctioning, bronching, and in one case doing bloody neurosurgery. Expect when it comes to your place you may initially have staff home-quarantined. Plan for this NOW. Consider wearing airborne iso PPE for aerosol-generating procedures in ANY pt in whom you suspect COVID, just to prevent the mass quarantines.

* we ran out of N95s (thanks, Costco hoarders) and are bleaching and re-using PAPRs, which is not the manufacturer's recommendation. Not surprised on N95s as we use mostly CAPRs anyway, but still.

*terminal cleans (inc UV light) for ER COVID rooms are taking forever, Enviro Services is overwhelmed. Bad as pts are stuck coughing in the waiting room. Rec planning now for Enviro upstaffing, or having a plan for sick pts to wait in their cars (that is not legal here, sadly).

* CLINICAL INFO based on our cases and info from CDC conf call today with other COVID providers in US:

* the Chinese data on 80% mildly ill, 14% hospital-ill, 6-8% critically ill are generally on the mark. Data very skewed by late and very limited testing, and the number of our elderly pts going to comfort care.

- being young & healthy (zero medical problems) does not rule out becoming vented or dead - probably the time course to developing significant lower resp sx is about a week or longer (which also fits with timing of sick cases we started seeing here, after we all assumed it was endemic as of late Jan/early Feb).

- based on our hospitalized cases (including the not formally diagnosed ones who are obviously COVID

- it is quite clinically unique) about 1/3 have mild lower resp sx, need 1-5L NC. 1/3 are sicker, FM or NRB. 1/3 tubed with ARDS.

Thus far, everyone is seeing:
- nl WBC. Almost always lymphopenic, occasionally poly-predominant but with nl total WBC. Doesn't change, even 10days in.

- BAL lymphocytic despite blood lymphopenic (try not to bronch these pts; this data is from pre-testing time when we had several idiopathic ARDS cases)

- fevers, often high, may be intermittent; persistently febrile, often for >10d. It isn't the dexmed, it's the SARS2.
- low ProCalc; may be useful to check initially for later trending if later concern for VAP etc.

- up AST/ALT, sometimes alk phos. Usually in 70-100 range. No fulminant hepatitis. Notably, in our small sample, higher transaminitis at admit (150-200) correlates with clinical deterioration and progression to ARDS. LFTs typically begin to bump in 2nd week of clinical course. - mild AKI (Cr <2). Uncertain if direct viral effect, but notably SARS2 RNA fragments have been identified in liver, kidneys, heart, and blood.

* characteristic CXR always bilateral patchy or reticular infiltrates, sometimes perihilar despite nl EF and volume down at presentation. At time of presentation may be subtle, but always present, even in our pts on chronic high dose steroids. NO effusions. CT is as expected, rarely mild mediastinal LAD, occ small effusions late in course which might be related to volume status/cap leak.

* Note - China is CT'ing everyone, even outpts, as a primarily diagnostic modality. However, in US/Europe, CT is rare, since findings are nonspecific, would not change management, and the ENTIRE scanner and room have to terminal-cleaned, which is just impossible in a busy hospital. Also, transport in PAPRs. Etc. 2 of our pts had CTs for idiopathic ARDS in the pre-test era; they looked like the CTs in the journal articles. Not more helpful than CXR. - when resp failure occurs, it is RAPID (likely 7-10d out from sx onset, but rapid progression from hospital admit). Common scenario for our pts is, admit 1L NC. Next 12hrs -> NPPV. Next 12-24hrs -> vent/proned/Flolan.

- interestingly, despite some needing Flolan, the hypoxia is not as refractory as with H1N1. Quite different, and quite unique. Odd enough that you'd notice and say hmmm.

- thus far many are dying of cardiac arrest rather than inability to ventilate/oxygenate.

- given the inevitable rapid progression to ETT once resp decompensation begins, we and other hosps, including Wuhan, are doing early intubation. Facemask is fine, but if needing HFNC or NPPV just tube them. They definitely will need a tube anyway, & no point risking the aerosols.

- no MOSF. There's the mild AST/ALT elevation, maybe a small Cr bump, but no florid failure. except cardiomyopathy.

- multiple pts here have had nl EF on formal Echo or POCUS at time of admit (or in a couple of cases EF 40ish, chronically). Also nl Tpn from ED. Then they get the horrible resp failure, sans sepsis or shock. Then they turn the corner, off Flolan, supined, vent weaning, looking good, never any pressor requirement. Then over 12hrs, newly cold, clamped, multiple-pressor shock that looks cardiogenic, EF 10% or less, then either VT->VF-> dead or PEA-> asystole in less than a day.

Needless to say this is awful for families who had started to have hope.

- We have actually had more asystole than VT, other facilities report more VT/VF, but same time course, a few days or a week after admit, around the time they're turning the corner. This occurs on med-surg pts too; one today who is elderly and chronically ill but baseline EF preserved, newly hypoTN overnight, EF<10. Already no escalation, has since passed, So presumably there is a viral CM aspect, which presents later in the course of dz.

- of note, no WMAs on Echo, RV preserved, Tpns don't bump. Could be unrelated, but I've never seen anything like it before, esp in a pt who had been HD stable without sepsis.

Treatment -

*Remdesivir might work, some hosps have seen improvement with it quite rapidly, marked improvement in 1-3 days. ARDS trajectory is impressive with it, pts improve much more rapidly than expected in usual ARDS.

*Recommended course is 10d, but due to scarcity all hosps have stopped it when pt clinically out of the woods - none have continued >5d. It might cause LFT bump, but interestingly seem to bump (200s-ish) for a day or 2 after starting then rapidly back to normal - suggests not a primary toxic hepatitis.

*unfortunately, the Gilead compassionate use and trial programs require AST/ALT <5x normal, which is pretty much almost no actual COVID pts. Also CrCl>30, which is fine. CDC is working with Gilead to get LFT reqs changed now that we know this is a mild viral hepatitis.

-currently the Gilead trial is wrapping up, NIH trial still enrolling, some new trial soon to begin can't remember where.

*steroids are up in the air. In China usual clinical practice for all ARDS is high dose methylpred. Thus, ALL of their pts have had high dose methylpred. Some question whether this practice increases mortality.

*it is likely that it increases seconday VAP/HAP. China has had a high rate of drug resistant GNR HAP/VAP and fungal pna in these pts, with resulting increases mortality. We have seen none, even in the earlier pts who were vented for >10d before being bronched (prior to test availability, again it is not a great idea to bronch these pts now).

- unclear whether VAP-prevention strategies are also different, but wouldn't think so?

- Hong Kong is currently running an uncontrolled trial of HC 100IV Q8.

- general consensus here (in US among docs who have cared for COVID pts) is that steroids will do more harm than good, unless needed for other indications.

- many of our pts have COPD on ICS. Current consensus at Evergreen, after some observation & some clinical judgment, is to stop ICS if able, based on known data with other viral pneumonias and increased susceptibility to HAP. Thus far pts are tolerating that, no major issues with ventilating them that can't be managed with vent changes. We also have quite a few on AE-COPD/asthma doses of methylpred, so will be interesting to see how they do."

I hope JR does not end up in the hospital (nor anyone else!!) If I were Queen, I would give every single healthcare provider in the world a million dollars (in gold coins now). There are People who are just the OPPOSITE of the swollen maggoty parasitic "leaders".

[Caliban]

I do know that the "kind" of pneumonia is unique when a case devolves to that state. It is usually swiftly deteriorating, has a CT ground glass lung appearance and people begin to drown in fluids in the lungs. I am not even sure it matters if the test is positive at the point of illness. IMO the point of testing of cases is to identify the spread so containment might occur. That is why IMO the lack of testing and the presumption that only symptomatic people are carriers leads me to suspect this is an intentional collapse.

Sure it matters. No, not in treating ill people which should be done with the utmost care.

It MATTERS if we're trying to analyze our way out of and through this maze being created by the Medical cartel, the media machine, political and banking forces. Do we need a new thread for those who are interested in this? Are you all still interested in the potential of this phenomenon for mandatory vaccines? For restricted travel? For using this virus, and the next and the next and the next to implement whatever "measures" they deem fit to an already conditioned public open to whatever will "save them." ?

[Pam]

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

You know for a fact that all the cases they're calling Covid have been "tested" and "proven" to be such?

Nope, I don't. I would really love to be wrong about all of this.

[Delight]

I do know that the "kind" of pneumonia is unique when a case devolves to that state. It is usually swiftly deteriorating, has a CT ground glass lung appearance and people begin to drown in fluids in the lungs. I am not even sure it matters if the test is positive at the point of illness. IMO the point of testing of cases is to identify the spread so containment might occur. That is why IMO the lack of testing and the presumption that only symptomatic people are carriers leads me to suspect this is an intentional collapse.

Sure it matters. No, not in treating ill people which should be done with the utmost care.

It MATTERS if we're trying to analyze our way out of and through this maze being created by the Medical cartel, the media machine, political and banking forces. Do we need a new thread for those who are interested in this? Are you all still interested in the potential of this phenomenon for mandatory vaccines? For restricted travel? For using this virus, and the next and the next and the next to implement whatever "measures" they deem fit to an already conditioned public open to whatever will "save them." ?

Certainly I am very concerned. It crossed my mind that IF we each were prepared to tackle our own health (starting way before the novel viral infection), IF we each knew we are eternal beings in a temporary shell, IF we each knew what every one says that WE are the government, IF we were prepared to refuse to deal with hostage takers, IF we knew more as a "society" about the DIVINE natural miracle that is symbiotic life, IF we were not caught up in the 9 to 5 matrix of capitalism and communism and all the isms.....

WELL THEN, IF were "there" and not where the "matrix" has devolved, then "things would be way different". I have no children and only pets and am already elderly but IF I had children, I would wonder what the "crystal" generation will try after this total crack up. It has crossed my mind that I just have NO IDEA how this will end. Maybe it IS in the hands of the hands of the hands of the goddess with SO MANY ARMS? Mine are just two little nubs (metaphorically)....

From a beautiful post above Dorjezigzag
“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

[Pam]

I am not buying that Italy is putting "presumptive" cases in the ICU. That would be ridiculous. One of the few reasons to treat someone in ICU is if they require a respirator to survive or they are in renal failure(at least with this virus). That is sort of an insult to believe the Italians are putting people in their ICU's simply based on the fact that they have a covid_19 diagnoses.

When i read JR's blog post, all i could think is that he has such denial that he cannot conceive his POV may have gaping holes. Yes, no matter what the cause, people are not placed in ICU care unless they NEED ICU care. Perhaps if there were sufficient specialized rooms for isolation they would be placed there for presumed infection but NOT ICU. And no medical staff would suspend the care of all other types of cases (I read that in one setting only cardiac care was not converted) unless the overwhelming needs of patients with pneumonia were present.

You mentioned earlier that you cannot comprehend the CDC etc.'s complete failure and the other mixed messages and dropped balls. I can't EITHER. Moreover, I can't understand seemingly mentally cognizant individuals like JR continuing to be claiming the illness is not happening? How does that serve except to be gaslighting us also? I trust the stories from people experiencing the crisis.

On my walk today I was thinking about many threads of incomprehensibility that point to a shattering of the "mind matrix" which has created the paradigm we have been living in. I do agree with JR's concept of imagination being important. I imagine this as the ultimate wake up to the world that I know in my heart IS POSSIBLE (paraphrase of Charles Eisenstein).


What we really want, I said, is for humanity to hold nature sacred again. What we want is to move from a society of domination to one of participation, from conquest to co-creation, from extraction to regeneration, from harm to healing, and from separation to love. And we want to enact this transition in all our relations: ecological, economic, political, and personal. That is why we can say, “The revolution is love.”charles eisenstein extinction and the revolution of love/ (https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/extinction-and-the-revolution-of-love/)

I do believe that people are left to deal with this "fracture" as best we can in order to reintegrate. I am half woowoo/ half grounded in that I think we MUST become self (SELF) reliant now then interdependent at a new level. WE are forced to turn in to hear guidance, determine we are creative and resourceful, and refuse to be lulled into inactivity. ACTION that promotes OUR OWN well fare (put the oxygen mask on first) and the well fare of those we meet (family, friends, neighbors) while refusing to be afraid is all we have that is real moment to moment.

I will probably keep reading and wondering at all the bizarre events but everything has become so tangled that I don't know how it can be untangled. My imaginative exercise is to see this as the crack up like when the shell of a chicken egg falls off. Principles that help me deal as best I can, when I can with what may play out is my craving.

Delight, I feel like you and I are on the same wavelength. I totally get you. I look at the US and what is happening and it makes no sense. I feel like I could be in some sort of simulation to see how much absurdity I can endure. A sort of theater of the absurd. I kind of wonder if I am going insane and misinterpreting everything...why is the richest nation in the world performing worse than a corrupt banana republic with no financial support would? Does the American government just arrogantly think that this kind of thing won't happen here or is it something else?? I am really having a difficult time interpreting reality at this moment. On the other hand, I listen to Chris Martenson and the whole thing makes perfect sense so I guess I am not totally losing it.

I moved out here with the idea of becoming self reliant and that means so much more than I bargained for.

[Earth Angel]

I can’t help feeling like this is the Health version of a controlled demolition 🧐
I’m in Ontario Canada in a small town about an hour from Toronto. The schools in all of Ontario will be closed until April 5 All major events are being cancelled and toilet paper is like hens teeth.

It’s insanity. Yes I am one of those who believe this is being blown way out of proportion.

Guess I’m the golden retriever and the Neanderthal

[RogeRio]

I am really having a difficult time interpreting reality at this moment.

I'm skillful to interpret symbols, so many things I can translate to symbols and try to interpret "The Sequences" of symbols making analogies through the symbolic elements.

one thing that the Word Governments (USA, Europe and Brazil, for example) has been very concerned in recent years, it is the numbers of economically inactive, retired elderly people that cost money to the public coffers.

this plague of coronavirus appears to be a first step to Powers start getting rid of them, in a way that doesn't look like they're being targeted by stablisment, but from an uncontrollable illness that in last instance will relieves the public money which sustain their (inactive) lifes.

it's only a speculation, indeed, but is based on symbols "follow the money", elders targeted, "from power evil we can even think anything too evil", not transparent, "but relatively sneaky and effective", unmerciful.

no child & young has been infected yet according to reports and this causes me a certain suspicion.

[Rosco1]

Who is to say that all of our Governments/Military have a covert operation to release the bioweapon of Coronavirus upon their own countries.

The UK have a history of this!! And that is To eliminate as many 'useless eaters' as possible. I believe Prince Phillip has made this comment in years gone past!

Just look at their history:


Link: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

Mod note from Tintin: this Guardian article is 17, nearly 18 years old, first published April 2002

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Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.
Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.
The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/written-answers/2002/apr/29/fluorescent-particle-trials)', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.
Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack.

In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall. Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document – which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
antony.barnett@observer.co.uk

(hopefully I will not get any more hassle from what I have posted in the past - nothing to do with anyone here from project avalon)

[pyrangello]

One of my best friends called me today who is a surgeon in the mid-west region of the states. He's been a surgeon for 40 years, gets the CDC reports . We spoke a while about the C virus. He said there are some optimistic reports coming out that chinas wave is getting less and now its our turn and that hopefully weeks from now were thru it here in the states. This is exactly what happened in 1918. I asked him about could it come back this fall and he said very possible. That also happened in 1918. I told him I told my folks to stay home now since it is arriving, they are 80 and 87. He said great advise. Because of the incubation period I may only be able to just wave thru the window to be 100% sure they don't get it. Remember 80% of us that get it will be mild to little symptoms just like the cold,whats making this alarming is how fast it is spreading #1 , and #2 for the elderly or people that have had medical conditions prior to or in the past it puts them at a higher risk. Those are really the ones that need to be told to stay home period and re-assured its the right thing to do . Will get thru this , no time to panic just when going out think of it as a game of chess, one cautious move at a time. :)

[ExomatrixTV]

⚠️ #Stop5G Related Issues? 🦜🦋🌳 ...
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Dr. Thomas Cowan, M.D. hypothesizes that Coronavirus may be history repeating itself and caused by 5G. Shot at the Health And Human Rights Summit in Tucson, Arizona on March 12, 2020. Camera, sound and editing by Joshua Coleman. ‼️

[Dorjezigzag]

This sounds familiar!
nSXIetP5iak

Stage 5 martial law

[Satori]

I don’t think it’s “just the flu”. I think it is a weaponized virus or other bio weapon. I’m sure some will deem me a Neanderthal for thinking that.

If so, it was not designed to be just the flu. If so, we have no way to predict its future course by looking to past flu viruses. If so, how can any test kit be reliable? If so, how can any vaccine they come up with be efficacious and safe? And so on.....

Edit:

I’m more concerned about the vaccine they will force on people, than Covid19.

I’ll tell you right now, I will not let them stick that poison in me. I guess I may be headed to forced “quarantine.”

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus Sterilizes Males! China News Just Announced Today March 12, 2020:

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[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA
Dr. Thomas Cowan, M.D. hypothesizes that Coronavirus may be history repeating itself and caused by 5G.

There's no 5G in Iran.

[Bill Ryan]

If you want me to post my real suspicions, I can. But that's a different topic.

Regardless of how this started, or any agenda behind it, real people are suffering and will suffer. This is not a Truman Show mirage.Bill I would be extremely interested to hear what your thoughts/suspicions are regarding this...?

I second that, Bill we would like to hear your suspicions.Okay.

This conversation between some of the mods (mainly Gracy May and myself) was a spontaneous one on our running text chat last Sunday morning US time, 5 long days ago.

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Gracy May
Some things still somewhat confuse me concerning both China and the Anglo-Saxon Mission. Like pre WW2, IIRC, China had been pretty much a backward country that had been dominated by Britain, and later even Japan. Then suddenly just a few years after the war, they and also the backwards Koreans were able to fight the US to a standstill. How does that happen so quickly?
But my main thing is that so far as I know, China was STILL not even close to any kind of world player on the grand chessboard on up into the 1970's, it took none other than Mr. NWO himself Henry Kissinger to open things up, and clear the way for them. Then on down the line there were numerous and purposeful either leaks and/or sales of ultra high technology, starting with Clinton if I’m not mistaken.
Now apparently China has also done well in copying and stealing US technology, but I’m quite sure we would do the same to catch up with a superior power. That doesn’t necessarily make them “bad guy”, much the same has been with Israel and they are the golden child with special protections in place.
Anyway, I’m confused why the World Order would have to resort to giving China a cold, thus possibly knocking them quite a few rungs back down the ladder, when they could have just sat on and squash them from the get go like they have North Korea. Why build them up in the first place just to have to then tear them back down again? There must be a bigger picture here I'm missing.

Tintin
@Gracy - it doesn't make a lot of sense, but, then again, their mindset is so peculiarly warped and illogical to a human mind that they just do not care less. Worst case scenario is that the planned depopulation aspect of the agenda is underway and they can sustain the economic fallout; to heck with everyone else.
They really do think like that.

Bill
Policies may have changed over the years, swinging one way and then the other. My understanding is that the topmost ruling group — whoever they are — isn’t always in agreement nowadays about a lot of things. That’s one of the things that makes analysis from way down here really hard. Because actions and strategies aren’t always consistent.
A few years ago, in I think 2015-16, an insider sent me an email. I never published it anywhere or talked about it much to anyone. It was just too vague, or seemed to be vague at the time. I never knew what it was about.
He said he wanted to "throw me a bone", and said something “very, very big” was about to happen. I just thanked him, asked him for more info, and said I would listen.
Then a week or so later he wrote again: “Buckle up! Here we go. The big rocket ride starts now.”
But nothing happened at all. I can't quite get the thought out of my mind that THIS (the current virus scenario) is what he was referring to, but it was delayed.

Gracy May
Wow, hmm....

Bill
On the main virus thread, I'm sticking (mostly) to fact-reporting, and rational fast-forecasting, as best I can. But I do think this was engineered/ choreographed, and I do increasingly think it did NOT originate in China: it was just planted there. And right from the very start, I've been thinking so strongly and clearly: OMG, this is very, very major.
Sometimes I get swamped with a feeling of huge grief. I know myself well enough to know what that's about... it's like touching psychically into an electric output. It's not my own personal fear. I'm not afraid of anything, for myself. It's what I feel I can see and fear for others.
I'm not 100% psychic, but I'm much more psychic than I usually ever talk about. The times I get affected are when I read something, like a comment, that says it so accurately that it just resonates like a big bell. I'm not affected by the comment, I'm affected by suddenly recognizing the truth. That's a subtle difference.

Gracy May
I don't blame you for keeping some things more to yourself like that.

Bill
The Twitter feed from Liz Specht (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1339588&highlight=specht#post1339588) — you must see that — was something I figured out myself 7-10 days prior. That really got to me (when I saw it all for myself earlier), and I suddenly viewed the whole thing, like Nostradamus gazing into the candle flame. Timelines can change, but the way we're heading this is going to be something (in the words of a YT comment I read, that also rang like a bell) everyone will remember for the rest of their lives.

Gracy May
I saw her feed last night.

Bill
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to look at it! But plenty of people, even some of Avalon's best, are in denial. It's only just started to get bad. Only Chris Martenson, as best I know, really has this thing by the tail.

Gracy May
But then this would not just be all about China.

Bill
If it is engineered and planned, then they'll have done this very carefully. And that means enormous planned effects on everything and everyone.
Right, not just about China.
I think it's multifaceted. Like burning a forest so they can replant what they want to be there instead.

Gracy May
Good analogy. I hope it’s not that. Wouldn't that go well beyond the Anglo-Saxon Mission?

Bill
Yes, it would.
Here's a hypothesis test — not a prediction. IF the thing mutates to suddenly become more deadly, then it's engineered. That would mean population reduction. (Besides much else.)
But I'm not going to bang any drum about that on the forum. Predictions are of little value! (We know that. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0103%20Big%20smile.gif ) Whatever will happen, we'll all soon know, within a couple months.

Gracy May
Here’s the way I'm starting to "see" this thing Bill. Pearl Harbor WAS a big deal, a traumatic big deal that people remembered for the rest of their lives like you mentioned earlier, but it wasn't THAT big of a deal. The BIG deal, was what chain of events did it unleash? Same exact thing with 9/11. I'm starting to see this thing very similar as those two events. Maybe on a larger scale, but the BIG deal would be, what it unleashes when the dust settles.

Bill
Yes. Some bloggers have described this as another 9/11, but (a) global and (b) all in slow motion so we can't all immediately quite see what's happening.

Gracy May
If so, then from a historical perspective, we need to be looking bigger than what the news is barking out.

Bill
Yes.
A couple of weeks back, I did post that (in theory) this might be a scenario to get rid of (1) China, (2) Iran, and (3) Trump. (And maybe a lot of other things I never mentioned, like the free internet, freedom of movement and travel, cash transactions, and much more.) It's not impossible. Simply the way this has been handled in the US makes it hard not to suspect there's not another agenda afoot, that Trump has no idea about and may have been deeply planned.

Gracy May
I think you might be onto something there.
Actually, I'm thinking (1) (2) and (3) might would be secondary expectations.

Bill
Yes, that's possible.
Did you know that the reasons the first batch of CDC tests failed was because they'd also built in tests for SARS and MERS? That was almost impossible to believe. That's the reason why they didn't work right and had to be withdrawn. That was either staggering incompetence, or just a really clever intentional slow-down spanner in the works.

Gracy May
Yes, I saw that.

Bill
Trump has no idea of any of this, and is being allowed (by someone) to make an idiot of himself.

Gracy May
I was like WTF is that!

Bill
Ha! Yes http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0103%20Big%20smile.gif

Gracy May
Things like that generally fall to either that staggering incompetence, or purposeful malfeasance.

Bill
Yes. Another hypothesis test is to see if in the next few weeks something else big surfaces in the US that seems like someone's staggering incompetence: something quite different, but majorly affecting the entire juggernaut roll-out. Then, it starts to look like way too many arrows accurately fired into exactly the same bullseye.

Gracy May
Huh, food for thought there.

Bill
Here's another minor thing ("minor", as it were! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0406%20Facepalm.gif ). No-one's mentioned Venezuela. Not anywhere, by anyone. But it's already in Ecuador and Columbia. If/when it gets into Venezuela, that's that whole country gone.

Gracy May
Maybe, I'm still not convinced that the death toll is going to be as staggering as some are predicting. Could well be wrong, but usually the purpose is to scare the living **** out of the population.

Bill
Yes, I don't disagree. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0701%20Yes.gif But as I've tried to say several times in posts, deaths aren't really the issue. (Unless the thing mutates.) It's the impact on everything else, including medical facilities, supply chains, infrastructure, the global economy, social structure, freedom of movement, politics, etc etc.
In some countries, politicians are starting to be infected, and in Iran several have died already. That's like a sniper effect. All this is what makes this so different. And if the Pope dies, which is far from impossible, then that'll be a devastating global trauma for all Catholics. (A lot of people!)

Gracy May
Yes, the sniper effect. Hmmm... Interesting you mention Venezuela. That would be similar to Iran, in that it's much worse than it should be because of those terrible sanctions.

Bill
Yep, all very convenient. A way to make problems disappear.

Gracy May
Well, it’s also I think different because of the strain Iran has. Which is interestingly the same one Italy has?
Supposedly the Italians and Iranians are genetically similar.

Bill
I don't think all the gene sequencing has been done yet. But a lot of people must be working on that.

Peter UK
Italy has placed up to 16 million people under quarantine as it battles to contain the spread of coronavirus. Anyone living in Lombardy and 14 other central and northern provinces will need special permission to travel.

Bill
Yes.
And I also mentioned the retaliation effect. IF this was introduced into China by an enemy (presumably a US-based deep state agency), then the Chinese military will know this, and will be retaliating with their OWN bioweapon. That's so simple to do. They just send a kamikaze volunteer to Washington DC to attend a few political events, and then sit back and watch.
(That's another hypothesis test.)

Gracy May
Yes, you're quite right of course they would.

Bill
So if another virus starts to circulate as well, which is evidently different, then we'll all definitely know with certainty what's happened.
As best I know, not one person out there has put all that together that way. But it may all be quite wrong. All we can do is watch this all play out for a few more weeks. Predictions and guesses in public are of no value at all.

Gracy May
This is where that hypothesis gets tricky. Neither one of these parties are stupid, so wouldn't the original offending party, namely some branch of US Intel, know the Chinese would catch on and retaliate in kind? It seems sort of like the mutually assured destruction thing between the US and Russia. In no-fone’s interest to make that first strike.
Unless of course, you rise above the level of nation state.

Bill
Right. If there's a master plan at a higher level, then that kind of war may be exactly what's designed. The advantage of bioweapons over nukes (so to speak!) is that the machinery, the ports, the ships, the agricultural land, the factories, are all 100% undamaged. All the livestock, too. Just the humans gone.

Gracy May
True, all the infrastructure in place.
Whew, now my brain hurts....

Bill
Sorry!! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0705%20Heart.gif

Gracy May
No no I enjoy walking this through.
A lot to chew on.

Bill
I try to talk to Mara about this, but all she wants is her breakfast. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0103%20Big%20smile.gif

Gracy May
She's not interested huh?
Chuckle.

Bill
That and the next hike! Whoever coined the phrase "it's a dog's life" got it all wrong... a dog's life is mostly pretty wonderful :)

Gracy May
A lot of moving parts here, thanks for walking through all that with me
Bill it really helps in trying to come to some deeper overall understandings. Even down the road it might well come into play, "we were just talking about that!"
Yes, I'm taking a much needed break and coming back as a spoiled dog next go around….

[indigopete]

Has anybody posted this yet ?

"Mass arrests" back on the cards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcD5VAxmao

[Sarah Rainsong]

Thank you for letting us be a fly on the wall for that conversation!

I've got a bad feeling about this, too. Something tickled my brain back in December when I read reports of an unidentified pneumonia causing deaths in China. Something said, "Pay attention to this." I made a mental note to watch it and moved on. Then things began to hit the fan in January. (I think it's what prompted me to join PA.) I've had a feeling of dread since then. I can feel the stress response in my body, and even though I take steps to address it, I can't seem to totally shake that. (Which annoys me, cause I like to pretend I'm in control of my emotions.)

It doesn't make sense to me either. I don't see this being some kind a biowar between countries or factions, not even in shadow form. That just doesn't compute for me. But I don't know what or who is behind it. I'm not even convinced that it's some shadow power, exactly.

But whatever it is, it's bad. That much I know. How bad? Like you said. Time will tell.


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Okay.

This conversation between some of the mods (mainly Gracy May and myself) was a spontaneous one on our running text chat last Sunday morning US time, 5 long days ago.

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