The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

[Pam]

I can’t help feeling like this is the Health version of a controlled demolition 🧐
I’m in Ontario Canada in a small town about an hour from Toronto. The schools in all of Ontario will be closed until April 5 All major events are being cancelled and toilet paper is like hens teeth.

It’s insanity. Yes I am one of those who believe this is being blown way out of proportion.

Guess I’m the golden retriever and the Neanderthal

My sweet Earth Angel.. you came up with the most wonderful saying. It is the meme for the times

"Toilet paper is like hens teeth" I absolutely love it. I am going to put it on a sticky note.

[Baby Steps]

this Virus has allegedly had bits of the HIV virus added. We do not know what characteristics the inserted sequences confer, however a characteriestic of HIV is rapid mutation...

"The high levels of genetic diversity of the HIV-1 virus grant it the ability to escape the immune system, to rapidly evolve drug resistance, and to circumvent vaccination strategies. However, our knowledge of HIV-1 mutation rates has been largely restricted to in vitro and cell culture studies"


https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002251

[uzn]

China: ‘Patient zero’ may be US soldier.

China’s foreign ministry spokesman has claimed the coronavirus may have started with a US soldier.

“When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lijian tweeted.

He also posted a link to this article about:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

Source:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-chinese-official-claims-virus-could-have-started-in-us-as-fear-over-covid19-sweeps-world/news-story/690e9d9562974444ab85d37161226714

[Patient]

China: ‘Patient zero’ may be US soldier.

China’s foreign ministry spokesman has claimed the coronavirus may have started with a US soldier.

“When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lijian tweeted.

He also posted a link to this article about:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

Source:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-chinese-official-claims-virus-could-have-started-in-us-as-fear-over-covid19-sweeps-world/news-story/690e9d9562974444ab85d37161226714

There are many pieces to this puzzle. Multiple news stories added to the mix.

There was the story about the virus being stolen from a facility in Winnipeg Canada by the Chinese. It was then assumed that an accident caused it to escape into the public.

The theory/story that it came from the market in Wuhan from food and poor hygiene.

Then it was theorized that it could have come from the soldiers who were involved in the war games that took place in China in October/November 2019.

Once they are able to establish if it is a man made virus from a lab and then if they are able to know for a fact which lab has the capabilities to create such a virus then they still would need to know if it was released intentionally or accidentally.

There will most likely be some political finger pointing and posturing but it will not be evident what the underlying reasons and objectives truly are.

Another theory - the group at the very top of the ladder orchestrated this to bring chaos to the current structure so that they can bring in their own new order.

...I think Project Avalon better get themselves prepared to handle more traffic and volume because going forward I expect we will have more topics to discuss than anyone can imagine! :)

[TomKat]

I must admit this was rather humorous.


I think people are worried about being quarantined and running out of TP. That's all the sense I can make of it.

At the end of the day, there are alternatives to TP in a pinch. Running out of TP or paper towels is not life threatening. I think that a couple of videos of people hoarding TP led to the masses automatically following the lead without reasoning it out. I think it is a shining example of how easy we humans can be influenced and led.

I went to the store today and was surprised to find all the TP, eggs and many other things sold out. I went to another store and was lucky to find a couple dozen eggs, and waited at least 30 minutes to buy them. I would have bought just 1 carton but... And so it goes with panic buying, where even the un-panicked are forced into it.

[TomKat]

But whatever it is, it's bad. That much I know. How bad? Like you said. Time will tell.


Bad if you're a smoker:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-02-13/why-most-coronavirus-deaths-have-been-chinese-men

[onevoice]

The US House of Representatives passed a new law "Families First Coronavirus Response Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6201)" tonight that provides for free testing for Covid-19 for uninsured. For people covered by Medicare, Medicaid and other major insurances, there is provision for no deductible and co-insurance, so would also in effect be free to the insured people. It's about time the US government enacted such a legislation to foot the bill instead of putting it on the people. Taiwan has already been doing this for its citizens, even going beyond the provisions of this bill.



This bill responds to the coronavirus outbreak by providing paid sick leave and free coronavirus testing, expanding food assistance and unemployment benefits, and requiring employers to provide additional protections for health care workers.

Specifically, the bill provides FY2020 supplemental appropriations to the Department of Agriculture (USDA) for nutrition and food assistance programs, including


the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC);
the Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP); and
nutrition assistance grants for U.S. territories.

The bill also provides FY2020 appropriations to the Department of Health and Human Services for nutrition programs that assist the elderly.

The supplemental appropriations provided by the bill are designated as emergency spending, which is exempt from discretionary spending limits.

The bill modifies USDA food assistance and nutrition programs to


allow certain waivers to requirements for the school meal programs,
suspend the work requirements for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the food stamp program), and
allow states to request waivers to provide certain emergency SNAP benefits.

In addition, the bill requires the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to issue an emergency temporary standard that requires certain employers to develop and implement a comprehensive infectious disease exposure control plan to protect health care workers.

The bill also includes provisions that


establish a federal emergency paid leave benefits program to provide payments to employees taking unpaid leave due to the coronavirus outbreak,
expand unemployment benefits and provide grants to states for processing and paying claims,
require employers to provide paid sick leave to employees,
establish requirements for providing coronavirus diagnostic testing at no cost to consumers,
treat personal respiratory protective devices as covered countermeasures that are eligible for certain liability protections, and
temporarily increase the Medicaid federal medical assistance percentage (FMAP).

[Sophocles]

About the origin of the virus RT also posted two articles on this:

‘Where was your patient zero?’ Chinese official speculates AMERICANS may have infected Wuhan at army games & calls to ‘come clean’ (https://www.rt.com/news/482990-china-coronavirus-us-come-clean/)


Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lijian Zhao has demanded US authorities reveal what they’re hiding about the origins of Covid-19, going as far as to suggest the coronavirus may have been brought to China by the US military.


and then...


Beijing won't disown spokesman’s theory of US hand in coronavirus outbreak (https://www.rt.com/news/483018-china-us-theory-coronavirus-spokesman/)


China has declined to distance itself from the accusations made by a foreign ministry spokesman alleging US involvement in the coronavirus epidemic, arguing that opinions vary on how the health crisis started.


Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang wouldn’t comment on Friday about remarks made by colleague Zhao Lijian. Instead, the ministry official stated that the international community had differing opinions about the origin of the Covid-19, Reuters reported. Geng also chose not to discuss whether Zhao’s theory — that it may have been the US military that brought the deadly disease to Wuhan — matched Beijing’s official position.


Update from Norway: 996 confirmed cases. 1 death.

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Here's the video Ethan Galstad talks about here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5TveJuhOc)about the doctor who estimates 50 000 to 500 000 infected in the U.S.

We have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now... in the United States: Johns Hopkins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xjLV886A4)

A_xjLV886A4


The impact of the coronavirus is continuing to escalate, and Johns Hopkins University Professor of Public Health Dr. Marty Makary says, "I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States". He joins Yahoo Finance's On the Move panel to discuss.

[happyuk]

Another really excellent video from Dr Shiva Ayyadurai. This breadth of industrial and scientific experience this guy has is impressive.

An interesting perspective on viruses is presented thus: it's not the virus that kill or harm us, but rather an overreaction of a weakened or dysfunctional immune system that results in the body attacking its own cells, tissues and organs, resulting in harm or death. And such a reaction is the result of an existing pre-condition which can include (and not limited to) obesity, diabetes, bad air/water/diet, smoking etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFczfwW99kU

[Stryder]

Thank you for posting this. Few years back I was on pa alot. In past 2 years not as much the moment wuhan was a mess here I was. For someone who's been away from the forum this post in particular was one I found helpful. Something about seeing the back and forth of conversation a non hyper matter of fact right or wrong back and forth. Just comforting. I'd always rather here all your mind bill then some of it. Pa has some beautiful minds, we learn from everything right or wrong. Thanks you thank you.

[Baby Steps]

So , say it is true that this virus is an engineered bioweapon, that was planted in Wuhan by parts of the USA deep state.

This does not compute, as it would very likely blow up in their faces

Firstly, the Chinese are sophisticated enough to see that such an ACT OF WAR originated from a semi-rogue agency outside of democratic oversight, or presidential control. They very likely would depart from traditional inscrutability, and publish research, accusing these forces of the crime. Such a statement would greatly assist those in the USA seeking to reestablish the people's control of a deep state currently operating autonomously.

The Chinese military is hopefully disciplined enough to take this idea on board without retaliation militarily, hopefully.

But the biggest potential blow-back is that China is well down the road to recovery, and resumption of manufacturing. The economy and state are looking like they will weather this challenge.

However the effects on the west are likely to be direr. Our freedoms and democracy are fragile. Our economies are dependent on financial manipulation, such as qe, or helicopter money. We are heavily indebted to private interests. We are awash with fiat currency, that is potentially inflationary in relation to real resources such as gold.

Therefore it looks more like an attack on the west. The kind of deep state that would do this is one that operates globally and may be blowing the whistle on western hegemony.Throughout history when corrupt states are put under economic pressure, one escape for these types of establishments is to start wars.

Mr T , seen optimistically , has successfully side stepped several manipulated attempts to start hot wars in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine. I am not sure that the alternatives such as Biden or Pence, or Hillary will be able to resist the pressure. Or even big T.

[Stryder]

I live in maine this is on point. Lots of weird stuff goes on in this little state. Thank you

[Olaf]

Just one thought:

If the number of already infected people is greatly underestimated, than the mortality rate would be as greatly overestimated.
The current 2020 flu had in my region a mortality rate of 0.5% (900 cases known, 4 deaths).
So the real mortality rate of that corona virus situation might be much lower than it appears, being in the same range (0,5%) as that of the current common flu.

That does not change much in the situation, but it helps not to panic and instead carefully and sensibly reduce the risks.

[Bill Ryan]

Just one thought:

If the number of already infected people is greatly underestimated, than the mortality rate would be as greatly overestimated.
The current 2020 flu had in my region a mortality rate of 0.5% (900 cases known, 4 deaths).
So the real mortality rate of that corona virus situation might be much lower than it appears, being in the same range (0,5%) as that of the current common flu.

That does not change much in the situation, but it helps not to panic and instead carefully and sensibly reduce the risks.But no, that calculation doesn't apply. The mortality rate can only be estimated from 'completed' cases — i.e. those who became infected but who have either recovered or died.

With everyone else (the 'active cases', still 'in progress'), we don't yet know how they will turn out. So those numbers can't be taken into account yet.

[Pam]

[
QUOTE=Baby Steps;1340764]So , say it is true that this virus is an engineered bioweapon, that was planted in Wuhan by parts of the USA deep state.

This does not compute, as it would very likely blow up in their faces

Firstly, the Chinese are sophisticated enough to see that such an ACT OF WAR originated from a semi-rogue agency outside of democratic oversight, or presidential control. They very likely would depart from traditional inscrutability, and publish research, accusing these forces of the crime. Such a statement would greatly assist those in the USA seeking to reestablish the people's control of a deep state currently operating autonomously.

The Chinese military is hopefully disciplined enough to take this idea on board without retaliation militarily, hopefully.

But the biggest potential blow-back is that China is well down the road to recovery, and resumption of manufacturing. The economy and state are looking like they will weather this challenge.

However the effects on the west are likely to be direr. Our freedoms and democracy are fragile. Our economies are dependent on financial manipulation, such as qe, or helicopter money. We are heavily indebted to private interests. We are awash with fiat currency, that is potentially inflationary in relation to real resources such as gold.

Therefore it looks more like an attack on the west. The kind of deep state that would do this is one that operates globally and may be blowing the whistle on western hegemony.Throughout history when corrupt states are put under economic pressure, one escape for these types of establishments is to start wars.

Mr T , seen optimistically , has successfully side stepped several manipulated attempts to start hot wars in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine. I am not sure that the alternatives such as Biden or Pence, or Hillary will be able to resist the pressure. Or even big T.[/QUOTE

Maybe blowing up in their faces is exactly what they wanted. What if you have an unsustainable economy, that has been pilfered and leveraged almost to the point of bleeding out. What if you need one more huge wealth transfer like the 2007 madness? What if you have a rogue president you can't seem to get rid of no matter what? What if the people that support the president have lots of guns? How could you crash the economy and make the president look like an idiot making way for the ultimate puppet president that will do their bidding, sleepy Joe Biden? How can you enforce sweeping changes without resistance.? Trump said that the health depts. now have sweeping new authority, that is not going to be a good thing in the end.

I find myself wanting to resist this possibility, it totally freaks me out, but I just can't. I now find that the suspicions I have carried match those of Bill and it is very troubling. I hope to god we are wrong on this. The implications are staggering. The depth of depravity is terrifying. Oh, how i would rather this be caused by bat soup.

The US is now throwing 50 billion dollars at this but as of March 12 they were only able to perform (CDC) 77 tests. Something is very, very wrong here. It almost feels like this is choreographed to create failure. To make it clear, I am speculating here.

[Akasha]

Hungarian prime minister, Victor Orban announced yesterday that all Hungarian schools would be closed from Monday 16th March onward. He wasn't specific about re-opening times but did mention that this protocol would likely be in effect for a period of months rather than weeks.

BTW, as highlighted earlier by Alberto and Daniela, here's the website for Defender - Europe 20 (https://www.eur.army.mil/DefenderEurope/).


.....DEFENDER-Europe 20 is the largest deployment of U.S.-based forces to Europe for an exercise in the more than 25 years.....

Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.

[syrwong]

The rest of the world is suffering twice as severe as Wuhan. I have been keeping the data for Hubei (the province of Wuhan) and outside Hubei. The death rate is calculated on the fly by the formula #death/(#recovery+#death). At the beginning the mortality rate of Hubei was 15 times the rest of the world, now it is 0.5 times.

The 15 times figure was largely compared with the rest of China at the beginning (first half of February), then the world caught up as I believed new strains of the virus appeared outside of China. This mortality ratio dropped rapidly and was equal to Hubei's on March 10. As the number of recoveries rises fast in China and the number of deaths rises also very fast in the rest of the world, the ratio becomes 0.5 in just four days. The mortality rate is rising above 10 for the rest of the world, while this is projected to be 4.5 for Hubei.

The number of confirmed cases in Hubei is about half that of the world total. Therefore we can make a very good comparison. An interest question arises. We do not see mass deaths in the world, where such information supposedly cannot be covered up. Now with this objective calculation, the world is now twice as bad as Wuhan, maybe even worse, was there also no mass deaths in Wuhan? Perhaps Wuhan was not as bad as estimated by the western media and the alternative media. There was no tens of thousands of deaths, people were not dropping dead on the streets in large numbers, and the crematorium "phone interview" was phony?

It cannot be ruled out that the disinformation champaign was very successful. We have all been misled and that the main strain of virus is not very lethal, and the claims of some researcher that it is faked have some substance?

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The projections meet at around the Spring equinox. This may indicate China can see daylight in one or two weeks.

[bobme]

[
QUOTE=Baby Steps;1340764]So , say it is true that this virus is an engineered bioweapon, that was planted in Wuhan by parts of the USA deep state.

This does not compute, as it would very likely blow up in their faces

Firstly, the Chinese are sophisticated enough to see that such an ACT OF WAR originated from a semi-rogue agency outside of democratic oversight, or presidential control. They very likely would depart from traditional inscrutability, and publish research, accusing these forces of the crime. Such a statement would greatly assist those in the USA seeking to reestablish the people's control of a deep state currently operating autonomously.

The Chinese military is hopefully disciplined enough to take this idea on board without retaliation militarily, hopefully.

But the biggest potential blow-back is that China is well down the road to recovery, and resumption of manufacturing. The economy and state are looking like they will weather this challenge.

However the effects on the west are likely to be direr. Our freedoms and democracy are fragile. Our economies are dependent on financial manipulation, such as qe, or helicopter money. We are heavily indebted to private interests. We are awash with fiat currency, that is potentially inflationary in relation to real resources such as gold.

Therefore it looks more like an attack on the west. The kind of deep state that would do this is one that operates globally and may be blowing the whistle on western hegemony.Throughout history when corrupt states are put under economic pressure, one escape for these types of establishments is to start wars.

Mr T , seen optimistically , has successfully side stepped several manipulated attempts to start hot wars in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine. I am not sure that the alternatives such as Biden or Pence, or Hillary will be able to resist the pressure. Or even big T.[/QUOTE

Maybe blowing up in their faces is exactly what they wanted. What if you have a unsustainable economy, that has been pilfered and leveraged almost to the point of bleeding out. What is you need one more huge wealth transfer like the 2007 madness? What if you have a rogue president you can't seem to get rid of no matter what? What if the people that support the president have lots of guns? How could you crash the economy and make the president look like an idiot making way for the ultimate puppet president that will do their bidding, sleepy Joe Biden? How can you enforce sweeping changes without resistance.?Trump said that the health depts. now have sweeping new authority, that is not going to be a good thing in the end.

I find myself wanting to resist this possibility, it totally freaks me out, but I just can't. I now find that the suspicions I have carried match those of Bill and it is very troubling. I hope to god we are wrong on this. The implications are staggering. The depth of depravity is terrifying. Oh, how i would rather this be caused by bat soup.

The US is now throwing 50 billion dollars at this but as of March 12 they were only able to perform (CDC) 77 tests. Something is very, very wrong here. It almost feels like this is choreographed to create failure. To make it clear, I am speculating here.

I have not had the time to read all the replies to this thread.

So excuse me if I say something already said.

Here, there is massive panic going on. people are draining grocery shelves as fast as they can stock them.

From the beggining of this outbreak of this flu, I also felt something fishy was going on. Nothing adding up to the response to it.

Is it A test to see how effectively we are we are conditioned to believe what we are told?

Also, the closing of schools. until April 6th? Why the specific date? How can one Specify a date to which you are safe from a virus, that they say they know nothing about?

There Is more going on here than meets the eye, so to speak. In my opinion.

On the other side of the coin, did they lab create, and release a virus that they did not understand enough?

Still more uncertaincy and boat loads of questions to look into here

Stay calm, and best to all always.:sun:

[IChingUChing]

Hungarian prime minister, Victor Orban announced yesterday that all Hungarian schools would be closed from Monday 16th March onward. He wasn't specific about re-opening times but did mention that this protocol would likely be in effect for a period of months rather than weeks.

BTW, as highlighted earlier by Alberto and Daniela, here's the website for Defender - Europe 20 (https://www.eur.army.mil/DefenderEurope/).


.....DEFENDER-Europe 20 is the largest deployment of U.S.-based forces to Europe for an exercise in the more than 25 years.....

Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.

Just found this is relation to Defender Europe 20:


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After careful review of the ongoing Defender-Europe 20 exercise activities and in light of the current Coronavirus outbreak, we will modify the exercise by reducing the number of U.S. participants. Activities associated with the exercise will be adjusted accordingly and we'll work closely with Allies and partners to meet our highest priority training objectives.

The health protection of our force, and that of our Allies and partners, is a top concern. We take the Coronavirus outbreak seriously and are confident that by making this important decision we'll continue to do our part to prevent the further spread of the virus, while still maximizing our efforts to advance our alliances and partnerships and enhancing our comprehensive readiness to address any crisis or contingency.

As we work through the arrangements with our Allies and partners, we'll provide additional updates.

U.S. European Command


That's from:

https://www.eur.army.mil/Newsroom/Releases-Advisories/Press-Releases-Article-View/Article/2110390/us-european-command-exercise-defender-europe-20-update/

[Dennis Leahy]

Has this article been posted yet? (If yes, mods/admins please delete)

VERY informative, logical article:
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Article intro, and snippets:



Updated on 3/13/2020. Now reflects an update on containment vs. mitigation strategies. 19 translations at the bottom. Send me more existing translations in private notes at the bottom. This article has received 24 million views in the last 72h.
With everything that’s happening about the Coronavirus, it might be very hard to make a decision of what to do today. Should you wait for more information? Do something today? What?
Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources:


How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area?
What will happen when these cases materialize?
What should you do?
When?

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:
The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
(snip)


I'd like to paste the whole article here, charts and all, but it is too big. It's Chris Martenson on steroids. Highly recommended for everyone, and those that are questioning whether this is some sort of "psyop" by the elite will have a better grounding in this particular (I'd call it "weapons grade") virus.

No doubt that at least the Global Controllers and some of the mobster governments will "not let a good crisis go to waste", so I'll be looking for draconian legislation or "riders" to be created, another offensive by the Israelis, additional vectors of attack against Iran, Venezuela, Syria, etc., BUT, that doesn't mean this isn't a kickass, virulent virus.

The official response of social distancing is primarily a strategy to keep hospital infrastructure from being overwhelmed and/or collapsing - at least spreading the cases out over months and not spiking in a week or two's time. Don't think of this as a "flu" but rather a viral pneumonia that requires about 20% of those infected to be hospitalized in ICU-level care for 2 to 3 weeks. Avalon has other threads for
1.) boosting immunity (combined with social distancing so hopefully you will not get this virus) and
2.) fighting a major virus if you do get it,
but this linked article will help you understand the spread of the disease and you'll understand the wisdom of "social distancing."

[Bill Ryan]

I have not had the time to read all the replies to this thread.

Please do, It's worth it. There's a LOT of good information here.


Is it a test to see how effectively we are we are conditioned to believe what we are told? No. it's a real virus, and a real crisis in many countries. (And if it's not a crisis yet in some places, it will be within days or weeks.)


Also, the closing of schools. until April 6th? Why the specific date? How can one specify a date to which you are safe from a virus, that they say they know nothing about?Different countries have said different things. Different dates, or no date. Or different dates within the same country, in different administrative areas. My strong guess is that after any stated date, the schools in many places will stay closed as the situation intensifies.


There Is more going on here than meets the eye, so to speak. In my opinion.Yes, I agree.


On the other side of the coin, did they lab create, and release a virus that they did not understand enough?I don't think so.

[onevoice]

Here's the video Ethan Galstad talks about here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5TveJuhOc)about the doctor who estimates 50 000 to 500 000 infected in the U.S.

We have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now... in the United States: Johns Hopkins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xjLV886A4)

A_xjLV886A4


The impact of the coronavirus is continuing to escalate, and Johns Hopkins University Professor of Public Health Dr. Marty Makary says, "I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States". He joins Yahoo Finance's On the Move panel to discuss.

I believe what Dr Marty Makary is saying essentially that the official Covid-19 cases in the US is vastly underestimated. We have a close friend of the family who is a nurse that works in a large local hospital. She didn't give a lot of details, but she is saying to us to not go to hospital if at all possible. The medical staff is way over worked and can already barely handle the current situation. Currently the official number of Covid-19 cases in our county is 4. She would not be saying what she said if there were only 4 confirmed patients in our county. She said things are far worse than what we are seeing or reading in the mainstream media. This probably the case all across the country, as officials do not want to alarm people.

[thepainterdoug]

well ,in my mind now, theres no way to stop it. so its a matter of what to do if and when i get it. ( and may already have as previously mentioned) so Im going about life, doing all i have always done. playing ice hockey and playing golf with my son today.
minimize fear, trust your intuitions. remember to laugh and enjoy the good you have
strange days have found us

[norman]

I believe what Dr Marty Makary is saying essentially that the official Covid-19 cases in the US is vastly underestimated. We have a close friend of the family who is a nurse that works in a large local hospital. She didn't give a lot of details, but she is saying to us to not go to hospital if at all possible. The medical staff is way over worked and can already barely handle the current situation. Currently the official number of Covid-19 cases in our county is 4. She would not be saying what she said if there were only 4 confirmed patients in our county. She said things are far worse than what we are seeing or reading in the mainstream media. This probably the case all across the country, as officials do not want to alarm people.


I think there's a reality check required.

I'm pretty sure I'm on the tail end upside of a covid 19 infection myself. I'm NOT a statistic in the UK official account of the state of things covid-19.

I did what a lot of people would do, I got ill, I'm clobbering it with my supplement armoury, I'm keeping warm and keeping my head down. I've not called a doctor or been admitted to hospital. The state has no idea about me at all. If I'm doing that, so are thousands of others. None of them are counted in the stats.

And anyway, the shuffling of pieces on the board are not a realistic protection strategy for the mass population. It's a protection strategy for the 'system', itself. The current actions are at least 2 months too late to be effective as bottom line citizen protection. I'll guess that people high up in government here in UK already know that.

It's pretty obvious to me by now that covid-19 is rampant here in UK. But, it's pretty obvious to me also that it's not killing any more people than other rampant viruses here do. I assume all that is pretty obvious to the government too. Even their advice says "stay home and get through it on your own". Of course, they won't come right out and say the virus is everywhere and thousands of people are already dealing with it. Their advisers won't let them, for system crisis reasons, considering how hyped the biased media made the whole subject.

Best think of covid 19 as this years cold-season and get on with it. That's pretty much what the UK government is doing, anyway. The rest is hype-crisis-stabilisation.

The supply chain crisis is a whole other story though, and that might be what all this lockdown activity is really prepping for.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Has this article been posted yet? (If yes, mods/admins please delete)

VERY informative, logical article:
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Article intro, and snippets:



Updated on 3/13/2020. Now reflects an update on containment vs. mitigation strategies. 19 translations at the bottom. Send me more existing translations in private notes at the bottom. This article has received 24 million views in the last 72h.
With everything that’s happening about the Coronavirus, it might be very hard to make a decision of what to do today. Should you wait for more information? Do something today? What?
Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources:


How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area?
What will happen when these cases materialize?
What should you do?
When?

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:
The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
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I'd like to paste the whole article here, charts and all, but it is too big. It's Chris Martenson on steroids. Highly recommended for everyone, and those that are questioning whether this is some sort of "psyop" by the elite will have a better grounding in this particular (I'd call it "weapons grade") virus.

No doubt that at least the Global Controllers and some of the mobster governments will "not let a good crisis go to waste", so I'll be looking for draconian legislation or "riders" to be created, another offensive by the Israelis, additional vectors of attack against Iran, Venezuela, Syria, etc., BUT, that doesn't mean this isn't a kickass, virulent virus.

The official response of social distancing is primarily a strategy to keep hospital infrastructure from being overwhelmed and/or collapsing - at least spreading the cases out over months and not spiking in a week or two's time. Don't think of this as a "flu" but rather a viral pneumonia that requires about 20% of those infected to be hospitalized in ICU-level care for 2 to 3 weeks. Avalon has other threads for
1.) boosting immunity (combined with social distancing so hopefully you will not get this virus) and
2.) fighting a major virus if you do get it,
but this linked article will help you understand the spread of the disease and you'll understand the wisdom of "social distancing."

That was a very good article! Thank you!

[Caliban]

Spoke to Emergency Room nurse friend at large local hospital (suburbs NYC) -- NO cases of Covid. But lots and lots of frightened people with colds and sore throats calling for some kind of guidance.

Tell your friends to chill out. A little bit, at least.

[norman]

The vanishing bog rolls thing has become a huge meme.

There could be a whole other reason why they have flown off the supermarket shelves. Instead of people watching telly and anticipating a coming reason to hoard everything imaginable, how about there are thousands people going through a corona infection ( that's a cold, by the way ) in silence and under the radar.

Most people I know use bog rolls to blow their noses. It's cheaper, and doesn't fill up the bin as fast as fancy tissues.

[Pam]

I had a couple of items that I felt I needed to get when Walmart opened at 6am I was there shortly after. I was the only person in the store wearing a mask and it actually provided the benefit of people actively avoiding me, probably thinking I had some illness..Nice surprise benefit. I live in a small community that has several retirement communities in the immediate area which makes the population much older than the average. I paid close attention to the efforts of people to social isolate or to even use the disinfectant wipes at the door for your cart and saw none except avoiding the lady with the mask on. The gym is still hopping.

The last time I was at a store all the TP was gone. Today, all the rice and beans were gone. All the hand sanitizer and most soap was gone. So fear has been generated at least to some.

Here is the situation. My small city has no hospital. If you need hospitalization you need to travel about 20-30 miles either way to very small hospitals in those cities. I live around the kind of folks who are going to get in real trouble with this. In their 80's and frail, on all sorts of medications .. The closest hospital supports a much larger city and it is probably full on a good day, I can only imagine what is to come.

Can you blame these people for not taking this seriously? When you hear that all of the US has only 2500 patients it's a pretty normal response to think that is not going to effect you, personally. In fact, according to Washington state as of this morning not a single person in this county has had a case of covid-19. Hey, why not go to the gym? If I hadn't been looking into this at all and you gave me those "facts" I doubt I would have any concern.

Contrast that with shutting down borders and throwing 50 billion dollars at it and bailing out any corporation that whines (exaggeration) at the same time you have the CDC that can't even put a frigging test together and are hampering the efforts at every level of others that can do that along with lack of PPE for those that need it and you have a real mind smuck being thrown at us. Talk about creating fear, apprehension, denial and uncertainty.

Another observation. These last few days are the first times that I have seen Trump seem to lose his confidence. He has a deer in the headlight look and seems worn down. If in fact, there is another agenda, I don't think he was privy to it, but he looks sufficiently worn down to go with the program. He is out of his league here. I believe he will push whatever agenda he is told at this time.

I hope our forum international community will keep reporting from their areas, it has been so helpful thus far to hear from everyone all over the world. It will help to keep the picture balanced.

[TrumanCash]

UPDATE: Our machine from Luohe, China (Henan province) has cleared customs and is on the way to Idaho from Honolulu.

Lots of people in the local supermarket yesterday morning before Trump's speech. Still no rubbing alcohol, no hydrogen peroxide, toilet paper shelves nearly bare, etc. Judging by the shopping carts at check out, people are only preparing for a short event. People are calm and no one is wearing mask, gloves, etc (yet). Of course, this is northern Idaho where many people are already prepared for whatever and where people smile and wave to each other. :waving:

There are Fedex service suspensions (https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/apac-asia-pacific/downloads/fedex-covid-service-update-en-apac.pdf) in Wuhan and other cities in the Hubei province.

Idaho health officials report 1st coronavirus case in state (https://www.khq.com/coronavirus/idaho-health-officials-report-st-coronavirus-case-in-state/article_1a3e6a6a-6595-11ea-987a-3f7dbb90b946.html)

[snoman]

It is noticeable how fast the news is now.. every few minutes there is a statement from somewhere re action taken by a particular country.
This speed in itself and the nature of those actions hint at a monster on the loose. A lot of 'better safe than sorry' actions which are beginning to seem
like desperate moves.

Has anyone got an eye on traffic near to the underground bases? (just an interesting sidenote)

[Islander12]

Well it was just announced about an hour ago that it’s now in my province here in Canada.....it’s one thing to know it’s coming and another when it’s here! Stay safe people.

[scotslad]

Is a model evolving?
Is the Problem > Reaction > Solution Agenda unfolding perfectly?

If so, what's the BIG PICTURE? Is it just a test model?

Vaccinations? Rapid Border control?

Our data is monitored, collected and evaluated.
Our identity is monitored 24/7
With fitbits and phones, our health is monitored?

Wht do you think is the apparent agenda (if there is one)?

To convince the public to get VACCINATED and receive something as a solution or something else?

What do you reckon?

[norman]

Keep in mind that if a government is expecting a supply-lines crisis, they need to grab any available excuse to take a grip of control over the main arteries of society.

Ask yourself, are they closing schools, declaring areas infected etc to stop a virus that's already out there almost everywhere and isn't killing an unusually high number of people, or are they getting their ducks lined up for a different crisis altogether.

When all the "stuff" runs out.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I've enjoyed Karl Denninger's viewpoint since listening to his takes on the 2008 housing crisis. He seems to have much common sense, and asks some of the questions I wonder about, as far as testing, statistics, etc. Actually, even the flu statistics have always made me skeptical. How do we actually know how many people actually have and die of the flu each season? In all my years, with bouts of the flu here and then, I was never once actually tested.

I would like to read more ACTUAL experiences from regular people reporting on who around them is symptomatic, or hospitalized, etc. And also, reports from actual health care workers and what they are seeing would be really helpful, I think, for us to get a pulse on what is happening.
(just some ponderings).
Here's Denninger's video from today:
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[Dorjezigzag]

Plague Doctors and pandanemics!

Pandemics have come around again and again in history, I find it interesting to look at past aproaches.

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[Franny]

Some details on how S Korea is responding to the outbreak, as Martenson has put it, The Gold Standard. The US seems to have little interest in learning from other countries with a successful response system in place, however.

https://www.sott.net/article/430676-What-can-the-US-learn-from-South-Koreas-coronavirus-response

What can the US learn from South Korea's coronavirus response?

John Dale Grover
Washington Examiner
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:11 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s28/560242/full/1Drive_thru_coronavirus_screen.jpg
Drive-thru clinic
© Yonhap/AFP via Getty Images
Drive-thru coronavirus screening clinic in Daegu, South Korea

The World Health Organization just declared COVID-19, which is caused by the novel coronavirus, a global pandemic, warning, "There are now more than 118,000 cases in 114 countries, and 4,291 people have lost their lives." So far, Johns Hopkins University estimates that there are at least 1,050 cases in America, and that number is expected to grow. Meanwhile, South Korea has had 7,755 cases and yet has done a good job of handling the outbreak. How has Seoul been able to slow down the number of new cases?

South Korea is a model to follow if countries want to avoid long-term locking down millions of people with the police and military, as China and Italy have done. To be fair, South Korea may still impose stricter quarantine measures as they run out of hospital beds in some areas. Yet, despite these huge problems, South Korea has been a relative success story by focusing on hot spots and asking people to remain at home voluntarily and avoid travel and large gatherings. In addition, anyone tested positive for COVID-19 who breaks quarantine will run afoul of South Korean law.

These (mostly) voluntary social distancing measures have limited the spread of COVID-19, saving lives and largely preserving the democratic nature of the country. Further measures include quick and widespread testing, centralized and transparent test results, and a constant flow of crucial and clear public information. These are vital tools because it could take a year to get a vaccine that works and is fully distributed around the globe.

Testing matters because, unless you know who's infected, you can't get them medical help or have them quarantine. Moreover, it also makes it harder to track down whoever they've interacted with who might also be infected and could spread COVID-19. Quick and mass testing is also necessary because often symptoms are mild and go unnoticed, especially for younger people. South Korea has tested over 200,000 people, an astounding number. In fact, Seoul is able to conduct between 10,000 and 20,000 tests every day. Additionally, they have 10-minute drive-through testing stations, and South Koreans get a text in the next 24 hours with the results.

Unfortunately, the United States is behind.

America was slow on developing a test, and severe shortages persist. This prevents the kind of easy, rapid, and mass testing needed to catch hot spots and mild (but transmittable) cases. In the U.S., only 4,384 people have been tested. This is because of three reasons:

First, many of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention test kits were actually not working correctly.

Second, the criteria for testing is very narrow, so multiple cases went undiagnosed until much later.

Third, until recently, the government wasn't allowing other labs or private companies to make or use their own kits, resulting in fewer tests. One positive note, though, is that, although it is still hard to get kits where they are needed, according to the American Enterprise Institute, capacity is increasing and just reached 16,530 tests a day.

Meanwhile, another problem is that there is no official, unified test data set on how many people have been tested or what the results are. Different organizations have their own records, and local and state governments do not even always keep track themselves. For instance, only 938 cases have been reported to the CDC. Compare those numbers to Johns Hopkins's estimate of 1,050 cases and the 985 cases tallied by the COVID-19 Tracking Project, two private endeavors trying to record every test, since no one else appears to be doing it.

Without this important information, it will be harder for authorities and charities to coordinate responses or decide when to announce social distancing measures. Meanwhile, the Korean CDC has complete online data that is updated daily at midnight. The U.S.'s CDC is updating its site every weekday at noon, but this is still insufficient.

Korea also constantly advises their people regarding ongoing containment and mitigation efforts, with national and local authorities holding daily briefings, posting information online, and even texting citizens about policy changes and what places to avoid. This kind of clear and transparent messaging, in addition to data and testing, gives people confidence that COVID-19 can be defeated. It also helps to counter stupid rumors or deliberate misinformation. As a result of all of this, people are more likely to follow social distancing recommendations and know what is going on. That also means fewer draconian measures and less panic.

Bad or unclear messaging is a problem that America needs to resolve. In Italy, the lockdown has already caused confusion among some citizens over what to expect and what to do. Here in the U.S., there are already plenty of examples of sick people not knowing where to go and of healthcare providers uncertain of how to use scarce resources such as testing kits. Local, state, and federal leadership of both parties need to do a much better job of communicating what is happening and what people should do. If they can't get it right, they need to have someone else take the lead on public announcements. Finally, if folks cannot locate announcements and recommendations easily online or are unaware of local press briefings, there is a huge problem.

South Korea learned its lessons the hard way over the past years with outbreaks of SARS and MERS. Now, America can learn from its own experience and from South Korea as COVID-19 spreads. The overall global death rate from COVID-19 is about 3%-4%, but Seoul has managed to bring that down to 0.7%. With the lives of the elderly and the most medically vulnerable on the line, that is something to which all of us should aspire.

About the Author:
John Dale Grover is an assistant managing editor at The National Interest and a Korean studies fellow at the Center for the National Interest.

[ExomatrixTV]

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⚠️ For those who claim Iran has no #5G (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/5g) ... must know that 4G LTE is also (partial 5G tech) Beamforming 8x8 MIMO Military Grade Phased Array Antennas!

The rapid increase of ANYTHING WIRELESS like:

Smartphones, Smart-TV, Routers/Modems, WiFi Hot Spots, Smart-meters, Bluetooth, Cordless Headset, Baby-phones, Wireless Security Camera's, Smart Fridge etc. etc. rapid increase of >> multiple << new Erratic Pulsed Microwave Transmitters everywhere (even from space) last years is a MAJOR factor that any (common) virus CAN become lethal to more and more people who are in the saturation densification zone of Microwaves!

All who are in that zone have a compromised weakened immune system, altered metabolism & change in their blood! Which all can be proven! ... ICNIRP knows that too but are LYING to the masses about them being a "Radiation Watchdog" <<< LIE ‼️ ... Serving Trillion industry corporate interest & #Agenda2030 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/agenda2030)

How many know Iran launches own satellite Rasad-1 in 2011? Iran is NOT a "Third World Country" ffs.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

[Caliban]

Say hello to my lit-tle fren! ;)


https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1238848566661128192

[Antagenet]

Keep in mind that if a government is expecting a supply-lines crisis, they need to grab any available excuse to take a grip of control over the main arteries of society.

Ask yourself, are they closing schools, declaring areas infected etc to stop a virus that's already out there almost everywhere and isn't killing an unusually high number of people, or are they getting their ducks lined up for a different crisis altogether.

When all the "stuff" runs out.

Yup

Looks like supply chain is screwed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeufAHFZpjo

I agree with Ice Age Farmer, that the quarantines will have a huge effect of food shortages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfdiMmQl06k

[IChingUChing]

I've enjoyed Karl Denninger's viewpoint since listening to his takes on the 2008 housing crisis. He seems to have much common sense, and asks some of the questions I wonder about, as far as testing, statistics, etc. Actually, even the flu statistics have always made me skeptical. How do we actually know how many people actually have and die of the flu each season? In all my years, with bouts of the flu here and then, I was never once actually tested.

I would like to read more ACTUAL experiences from regular people reporting on who around them is symptomatic, or hospitalized, etc. And also, reports from actual health care workers and what they are seeing would be really helpful, I think, for us to get a pulse on what is happening.
(just some ponderings).
Here's Denninger's video from today:
nOupPMrTno0

My wife is a doctor here in Germany. Currently in the small hospital where she works in the countryside, there is only 1 corona patient. That patient can actually now go home and it wasn't a severe case.

Our local doctor's surgery has been quarantined probably as it is suspected that the doctor is infected.

I can update as things develop.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Plague Doctors and pandanemics!

Pandemics have come around again and again in history, I find it interesting to look at past aproaches.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/plague-doctor.png



I did note a connection between "crow" and latin Corvus, then Greek korōnē , and Koronis. Much symbolism in the Crow, Dorjezigzag... Wonder if anyone else picked up on that imagery during all this?

crown (n.)
early 12c., coroune, croune, "royal crown, ornament for the head as a symbol of sovereignty," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne) and directly from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korōnē "anything curved, a kind of crown," according to Watkins from a suffixed form of PIE root *sker- (2) "to turn, bend."
But Beekes considers the "crown" sense as derived from the formally identical Greek word korōnē "crow" (see raven), which, he says, was used metaphorically "of all kinds of curved or hook-formed objects." "Moreover," he writes, "the metaphorical use of [korōnē] 'crow' is nothing remarkable given the use of its cognates ...; the metaphors may have originated from the shape of the beak or the claws of the bird." Compare Latin corax "crow," also "a hooked engine of war," French corbeau "raven," also "cantilever;" English crowbar, etc. https://www.etymonline.com/word/crown



Crow
The Crow is one of the animals sacred to Apollo and Hera. The crow has made appearances in some myths.

Koroneis
Koroneis, a princess of Phokis (in central Greece), daughter of Coroneus. Her beauty doomed her as she was pursued by Poseidon. Fleeing from the god she cried out to Athene for help and was transformed into a crow (koronis).

A Tale of Betrayal
Coronis, daughter of Phlegyas, King of the Lapiths, was one of Apollo's lovers. While Apollo was away, Coronis, already pregnant with Asclepius, fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A white crow which Apollo had left to guard her informed him of the affair and Apollo, enraged that the bird had not pecked out Ischys' eyes as soon as he approached Coronis, flung a curse upon it so furious that it scorched its feathers, which is why all crows are black.
https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Crow


The name is derived from the Latin corvus meaning "raven". The type species is the common raven (Corvus corax); others named in the same work include the carrion crow (C. corone), the hooded crow (C. cornix), the rook (C. frugilegus), and the jackdaw (C. monedula).

[Dorjezigzag]

Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
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[Dorjezigzag]

crown (n.)
early 12c., coroune, croune, "royal crown, ornament for the head as a symbol of sovereignty," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne) and directly from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korōnē "anything curved, a kind of crown," according to Watkins from a suffixed form of PIE root *sker- (2) "to turn, bend."
But Beekes considers the "crown" sense as derived from the formally identical Greek word korōnē "crow" (see raven), which, he says, was used metaphorically "of all kinds of curved or hook-formed objects." "Moreover," he writes, "the metaphorical use of [korōnē] 'crow' is nothing remarkable given the use of its cognates ...; the metaphors may have originated from the shape of the beak or the claws of the bird." Compare Latin corax "crow," also "a hooked engine of war," French corbeau "raven," also "cantilever;" English crowbar, etc.

Wow thanks for that Ayt, i dont know if you read my article but I also pointed this out about WHO

Something else i have noticed in relation to the Latin meaning of corona, as I have already expressed corona is related to the aura of the sun, crowns and garlands. It is interesting to note that the symbol of WHO, an organisation who thus far have been utterly corrupt and inept in there handing of the virus is surrounded by a garland, a corona in latin.

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[Universoul]

I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends" :(

You shouldn't hate yourself. Some people think in polarized ways. They see pro-action as panic and weakness because they can't acknowledge the threat. I've learned to not fault people for this yet they can be frustrating to deal with. Their denial is a sign they're NOT as in control as their dismissive words and arrogance pretends. Their way of handling the fear is to deny and project it on to others. A lot of people are coping this way without realizing it.

There's a wall of cognitive dissonance in some people that will not fall until maybe it hits them in a real way. In this way the virus has a silver lining as a karmic wake up for many people.

You should feel good about preparing, and having a resolve that was capable of facing this potential crisis in a proactive way. Your preparation doesn't just help you and your circle. It helps others because you're not out panic buying today. You're not hoarding. You don't need to run around last minute and potentially get sick or get others sick.

The healthier and more prepared you are, the less chance you'll need hospital care if the health care system gets swamped. So by being prepared you might be helping others who require those resources.

You thought ahead, that's not selfish. Healthy self care and preparation is good for all.

There are people who go overboard with prepping and there are people who have more than they'll ever need yet keep sequestering material things... That doesn't seem like you and probably isn't anyone on Avalon.

If you just prepared you're a benefit to the world around you.

This idea that we need to feel guilt about ourselves for nonsense reasons needs to end. I suggest you meet it with healthy self respect and anger, not sadness. Anger is not exactly a positive emotion yet it is more positive than sadness and guilt. It's proactive. The point isn't to be angry it's to have confidence in yourself.

Not a victim, not a sleeper in the matrix waiting for stuff to happen to them and then react blindly-which creates chaos. You've chosen to approach this potential crisis as mindfully as you can.

Be proud of that.

[pyrangello]

Well today was my cutoff date I gave my parents that they are not to leave their property anymore as this virus is now heading north out of the Detroit area towards were we live. They are 80 and 87,very active, they go to the store everyday.ive had several conversations with them and made it very clear that they cannot get this virus.it would be the death nail for them both.

As I was driving home today I passed a pick up truck with a young man hanging out the passenger side with his head out the window,looked very sick and the temperature outside was 32 degrees.they were headed into the direction of the hospital.

I just finished reading several posts of a high school friend of my wife on Facebook. HE is posting from northern Italy. His posts describing what's happening now around lombardy,the Chinese with all of their own problems just flew in 30 tons of medical supplies at no cost to the italians.god bless them.he stating that they are now stacking bodies in the churches as the incinerators can not keep up wither the amount of dead coming in. HE helped yesterday moving 250 bodies. Pictures of hospital.staff. sleeping everywhere exhausted even on the floor. HE described one hospital where the sick are going and they are doing video conferencing with their loved ones before they pass as no others are allowed to enter the hospital. It's very very sad.

The hospitals in metro Detroit are now doing the same thing,only patients are being allowed to enter,all staff are in hazmat suits. Time to dig in here in the states ,we are. Some 2 to 3 months behind China for what's coming.

[Caliban]

From Sheryl Atkisson, updated 3/13, 1:12 p.m. . https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-panic#.XmtnfAKR6z4.twitter

(That 36 # of U.S. deaths should be around 50 now )


Coronavirus is nothing to sneeze at. But so far, widespread panic may not be justified.

You should know:

Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.
Most people who get coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.
No young or middle-age people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.
Most around the world diagnosed from January-March 1 have already recovered.

Obviously, this is a fast-moving news target. For the latest information from the government, you can visit the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) coronavirus page at CDC.gov. The following information is accurate as of Thursday.
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Q: What is the average American’s risk of getting coronavirus?

A: Low. CDC reports: “For the majority of people, the immediate risk of being exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to be low.”

Q: What’s the likelihood that coronavirus is in my community?

A: Low. CDC reports: "There is not widespread circulation in most communities in the United States.”

Q: How many coronavirus deaths have there been in the U.S.?

A: So far, not many. CDC reports 36 deaths. Adding various news reports, the number could be about 40 and growing. Although one death is too many, the reported deaths are among 43 states (including the District of Columbia) reporting outbreaks since January in a population of more than 327 million people.

Q: How many young people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.?

A: So far, there are no reports of deaths among young people in the U.S. The U.S. Surgeon General reports the average age of people who have died from coronavirus in the U.S. is 80. Additionally, he says those who are most impacted have chronic, serious health problems such as heart disease, diabetes, and lung disease.

Q: Who has died so far?

A. These were compiled using CDC reports plus news and local health department reports:

31 Washington State elderly. That includes 27 in King County, (22 at the same elderly nursing facility in Kirkland), three in Snohomish county, and one in Grant County, a patient in their 80s.
Four California elderly: A woman in assisted living in her 90s, a hospitalized woman Santa Clara in her 60s, an “elderly man” in assisted living, and a 71-year-old man with underlying health conditions who’d been on a Grand Princess cruise ship.
Two Florida residents in their 70s who had traveled overseas.
One New Jersey diabetic man, 69, who suffered two cardiac arrests.
One South Dakota man aged 60-69, with "underlying medical conditions”
One Georgia man, 67, with “underlying medical conditions”

Q: How many people have recovered?

A: News reports say that in China alone, out of 80,000 diagnosed, nearly 60,000 have already recovered. However, the true number of recovered is likely far higher since most of those who get the virus have mild or no symptoms, and so are not diagnosed at all.

Q: Why have there been so many coronavirus deaths in Italy?

A: Italy has reported 827 coronavirus deaths. Experts say the high number is partly because Italy has more residents in the vulnerable age category. Italy has the oldest population in Europe and more elderly per capita than the U.S. Most of the Italian deaths are in patients in their 80s and 90s. In addition, Italy has a great number of direct China contacts. Italy was the first to join China’s “silk road” economic partnership project. The coronavirus is believed to have originated in China. Italy’s 827 deaths are out of a population of 60 million people. Even though one death is too many, it is still a small relative number.

Q: Why am I hearing so many different fatality rates?

A: Experts say all coronavirus death rates are nothing more than estimates at the moment. That’s because it is impossible to know how many people have or had the virus. And that total number is needed to calculate an accurate rate. What makes it more difficult is the fact that most people have few or no symptoms, and so it is impossible to count them.

Some current death rates that sound high are being calculated in a particular age group. The rate will be highest among the elderly and, in the U.S., there have been zero deaths among people age 50 and under. Some death rates are being calculated as deaths among the sickest patients, those are diagnosed and treated, which will produce a much higher number than a more accurate death rate that takes into consideration those patients who are infected but do not become ill at all.

[Pam]

Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
Hks6Nq7g6P4

Dorjezigzag, I am so very happy you are back. We need the likes of you at this time. Hang around. This might very well be the time we all knew was coming.

[Satori]

Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
Hks6Nq7g6P4

Brought to you by the dumb-f***** demopublican, deep state, controller pussies.

Ps. This type of crap is designed to get you to focus your frustrations on the wrong people and on the wrong issues.

[Pam]

Well today was my cutoff date I gave my parents that they are not to leave their property anymore as this virus is now heading north out of the Detroit area towards were we live. They are 80 and 87,very active, they go to the store everyday.ive had several conversations with them and made it very clear that they cannot get this virus.it would be the death nail for them both.

As I was driving home today I passed a pick up truck with a young man hanging out the passenger side with his head out the window,looked very sick and the temperature outside was 32 degrees.they were headed into the direction of the hospital.

I just finished reading several posts of a high school friend of my wife on Facebook. HE is posting from northern Italy. His posts describing what's happening now around lombardy,the Chinese with all of their own problems just flew in 30 tons of medical supplies at no cost to the italians.god bless them.he stating that they are now stacking bodies in the churches as the incinerators can not keep up wither the amount of dead coming in. HE helped yesterday moving 250 bodies. Pictures of hospital.staff. sleeping everywhere exhausted even on the floor. HE described one hospital where the sick are going and they are doing video conferencing with their loved ones before they pass as no others are allowed to enter the hospital. It's very very sad.

The hospitals in metro Detroit are now doing the same thing,only patients are being allowed to enter,all staff are in hazmat suits. Time to dig in here in the states ,we are. Some 2 to 3 months behind China for what's coming.

I find your care for your parent very refreshing. We need to care for our elders. I am mentally trying to figure out something that could be initiated to provide services for the very old. There should be no reason for them to be out and about.

[Pam]

From Sheryl Atkisson, updated 3/13, 1:12 p.m. . https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-panic#.XmtnfAKR6z4.twitter

(That 36 # of U.S. deaths should be around 50 now )


Coronavirus is nothing to sneeze at. But so far, widespread panic may not be justified.

You should know:

Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.
Most people who get coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.
No young or middle-age people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.
Most around the world diagnosed from January-March 1 have already recovered.

Obviously, this is a fast-moving news target. For the latest information from the government, you can visit the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) coronavirus page at CDC.gov. The following information is accurate as of Thursday.
URL to Embed

Q: What is the average American’s risk of getting coronavirus?

A: Low. CDC reports: “For the majority of people, the immediate risk of being exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to be low.”

Q: What’s the likelihood that coronavirus is in my community?

A: Low. CDC reports: "There is not widespread circulation in most communities in the United States.”

Q: How many coronavirus deaths have there been in the U.S.?

A: So far, not many. CDC reports 36 deaths. Adding various news reports, the number could be about 40 and growing. Although one death is too many, the reported deaths are among 43 states (including the District of Columbia) reporting outbreaks since January in a population of more than 327 million people.

Q: How many young people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.?

A: So far, there are no reports of deaths among young people in the U.S. The U.S. Surgeon General reports the average age of people who have died from coronavirus in the U.S. is 80. Additionally, he says those who are most impacted have chronic, serious health problems such as heart disease, diabetes, and lung disease.

Q: Who has died so far?

A. These were compiled using CDC reports plus news and local health department reports:

31 Washington State elderly. That includes 27 in King County, (22 at the same elderly nursing facility in Kirkland), three in Snohomish county, and one in Grant County, a patient in their 80s.
Four California elderly: A woman in assisted living in her 90s, a hospitalized woman Santa Clara in her 60s, an “elderly man” in assisted living, and a 71-year-old man with underlying health conditions who’d been on a Grand Princess cruise ship.
Two Florida residents in their 70s who had traveled overseas.
One New Jersey diabetic man, 69, who suffered two cardiac arrests.
One South Dakota man aged 60-69, with "underlying medical conditions”
One Georgia man, 67, with “underlying medical conditions”

Q: How many people have recovered?

A: News reports say that in China alone, out of 80,000 diagnosed, nearly 60,000 have already recovered. However, the true number of recovered is likely far higher since most of those who get the virus have mild or no symptoms, and so are not diagnosed at all.

Q: Why have there been so many coronavirus deaths in Italy?

A: Italy has reported 827 coronavirus deaths. Experts say the high number is partly because Italy has more residents in the vulnerable age category. Italy has the oldest population in Europe and more elderly per capita than the U.S. Most of the Italian deaths are in patients in their 80s and 90s. In addition, Italy has a great number of direct China contacts. Italy was the first to join China’s “silk road” economic partnership project. The coronavirus is believed to have originated in China. Italy’s 827 deaths are out of a population of 60 million people. Even though one death is too many, it is still a small relative number.

Q: Why am I hearing so many different fatality rates?

A: Experts say all coronavirus death rates are nothing more than estimates at the moment. That’s because it is impossible to know how many people have or had the virus. And that total number is needed to calculate an accurate rate. What makes it more difficult is the fact that most people have few or no symptoms, and so it is impossible to count them.

Some current death rates that sound high are being calculated in a particular age group. The rate will be highest among the elderly and, in the U.S., there have been zero deaths among people age 50 and under. Some death rates are being calculated as deaths among the sickest patients, those are diagnosed and treated, which will produce a much higher number than a more accurate death rate that takes into consideration those patients who are infected but do not become ill at all.

Caliban, Lets imagine that this virus is overblown, than throw your attention to the rest. You are a US citizen. We are now throwing 50 billion taxpayer dollars at this virus. The economy has made an about face over it. Jobs will be lost.People that had confidence in the economy and acquired debt may pay dearly. Taxpayer money will be funnelled into corporations. Inflation over the Fed printing will go to what heights? Borders locked down. Unprecedented activities over 2500 cases???? If not the virus, what else is up with this... no matter what, big things are happening here. Your a smart guy, expand on your thinking processes.

[Sadieblue]

Interactive map from Johns Hopkins shows how coronavirus is spreading in real-time

https://www.wsls.com/health/2020/02/28/interactive-map-from-johns-hopkins-shows-how-coronavirus-is-spreading-in-real-time/?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&fbclid=IwAR3xPUhi4CLWnw0kc0TzXsTZzB5YUXxXRWzSYOpX3-ekL2Rcn1B8GtgHpNE

[Dorjezigzag]

Dorjezigzag, I am so very happy you are back. We need the likes of you at this time. Hang around. This might very well be the time we all knew was coming.

Thanks for that Peterpam, we are certainly living in interesting times as they say in China


Brought to you by the dumb-f***** demopublican, deep state, controller pussies.

Ps. This type of crap is designed to get you to focus your frustrations on the wrong people and on the wrong issues.

You may well be right Satori, I think most people on this forum can see it for what it is, I just found it funny and wanted to share. In my opinion Its good to laugh at times like this.

[Satori]

Interactive map from Johns Hopkins shows how coronavirus is spreading in real-time

https://www.wsls.com/health/2020/02/28/interactive-map-from-johns-hopkins-shows-how-coronavirus-is-spreading-in-real-time/?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&fbclid=IwAR3xPUhi4CLWnw0kc0TzXsTZzB5YUXxXRWzSYOpX3-ekL2Rcn1B8GtgHpNE

And they know this, yes know, not just say it, but know, how?

[Patient]

There are obviously some people that think that they went over board in stockpiling and preparing for the virus.

Some people think that the virus is not going to be as big a problem as we are being told. But many problems are the result of our societies getting pushed past the norm.

We need to keep our eyes on the big picture. Be extra cautious in your day to day routines. Many people will be going into emergency care at hospitals due to the fear of them or their loved ones possibly having the virus. The "better safe than sorry" play.

So, emergency wards will be very busy. This is a bad time for a broken wrist or other small but necessary medical emergency. If you have done everything right to avoid the virus and prepare to keep away from crowds, be extra cautious to avoid injuries that would require emergency medical care.

Slow down, take your time. If you think that your country or community has jumped the gun in cancelling things - oh well, enjoy a bit of down time. Of course there are many financial problems that will come into our lives due to these changes, but we are all in this together. I am setting my mind to have humanity show it's good side - the more of us that do that the better for all!

[Sarah Rainsong]

Plague Doctors and pandanemics!

Pandemics have come around again and again in history, I find it interesting to look at past aproaches.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/plague-doctor.png



I did note a connection between "crow" and latin Corvus, then Greek korōnē , and Koronis. Much symbolism in the Crow, Dorjezigzag... Wonder if anyone else picked up on that imagery during all this?

crown (n.)
early 12c., coroune, croune, "royal crown, ornament for the head as a symbol of sovereignty," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne) and directly from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korōnē "anything curved, a kind of crown," according to Watkins from a suffixed form of PIE root *sker- (2) "to turn, bend."
But Beekes considers the "crown" sense as derived from the formally identical Greek word korōnē "crow" (see raven), which, he says, was used metaphorically "of all kinds of curved or hook-formed objects." "Moreover," he writes, "the metaphorical use of [korōnē] 'crow' is nothing remarkable given the use of its cognates ...; the metaphors may have originated from the shape of the beak or the claws of the bird." Compare Latin corax "crow," also "a hooked engine of war," French corbeau "raven," also "cantilever;" English crowbar, etc. https://www.etymonline.com/word/crown



Crow
The Crow is one of the animals sacred to Apollo and Hera. The crow has made appearances in some myths.

Koroneis
Koroneis, a princess of Phokis (in central Greece), daughter of Coroneus. Her beauty doomed her as she was pursued by Poseidon. Fleeing from the god she cried out to Athene for help and was transformed into a crow (koronis).

A Tale of Betrayal
Coronis, daughter of Phlegyas, King of the Lapiths, was one of Apollo's lovers. While Apollo was away, Coronis, already pregnant with Asclepius, fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A white crow which Apollo had left to guard her informed him of the affair and Apollo, enraged that the bird had not pecked out Ischys' eyes as soon as he approached Coronis, flung a curse upon it so furious that it scorched its feathers, which is why all crows are black.
https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Crow


The name is derived from the Latin corvus meaning "raven". The type species is the common raven (Corvus corax); others named in the same work include the carrion crow (C. corone), the hooded crow (C. cornix), the rook (C. frugilegus), and the jackdaw (C. monedula).

I have decided to start calling this Corvid19 :biggrin1: I'm pretty sure I saw this exact typo somewhere not on PA, and I thought of this post and decided to just adopt it.

Now I need a gif.

[Bill Ryan]

Interactive map from Johns Hopkins shows how coronavirus is spreading in real-time

https://www.wsls.com/health/2020/02/28/interactive-map-from-johns-hopkins-shows-how-coronavirus-is-spreading-in-real-time/?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&fbclid=IwAR3xPUhi4CLWnw0kc0TzXsTZzB5YUXxXRWzSYOpX3-ekL2Rcn1B8GtgHpNE

And they know this, yes know, not just say it, but know, how?That page has been up for at least 6 weeks, maybe longer. It's merely tracking the outbreak clusters as the increased or new numbers are reported every day from each location. Then they plot them on a map, so you can see what's happening where, and to what degree.

These sites do that, too:


https://covid19info.live
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases

And the best site for the numerical updates (but no map) may be


https://worldometers.info/coronavirus

I'm sure there are others! But they just present the same data in different ways, as it's reported daily. (New cases, new deaths, new recoveries, new countries with cases, etc.) It's all pretty innocent, as best as I can see.

[Caliban]

Caliban, Lets imagine that this virus is overblown, than throw your attention to the rest. You are a US citizen. We are now throwing 50 billion taxpayer dollars at this virus. The economy has made an about face over it. Jobs will be lost.People that had confidence in the economy and acquired debt may pay dearly. Taxpayer money will be funnelled into corporations. Inflation over the Fed printing will go to what heights? Borders locked down. Unprecedented activities over 2500 cases???? If not the virus, what else is up with this... no matter what, big things are happening here. Your a smart guy, expand on your thinking processes.

My friend and fellow smart guy,

I don't know if I'm "smart enough" to answer that. But what happened after 9/11 ? Our economy didn't go into total tailspin but they set it into motion and eventually caused a massive upward transfer of wealth. Didn't they introduce unprecedented new "security measures" and grant new powers to brand new agencies that very patently were designed to reduce our individual and collective liberties? Wasn't that the beginning of what we're still involved in now, and is appearing to be ramping up big time? Remember after the Boston Marathon incident--there was basically martial law in Boston for a few days and the National Guard were searching houses with no warrants at all.

I would say we're starting to see that, in bits and pieces. Now I'm sure people are getting ill and there are risks involved. I don't poo-poo that. It goes back to the expression Icke likes to use: Problem-Reaction-Solution. That's what I've got for now, condensedly, from what I've been reading and looking at. In terms of details, exact players and moves, Bill and someone like RD Steele can help us.

I don't want to see people freaking. I am hopeful in that there's lots and lots of great information being digested right now and people are getting educated on Health and what's really going on. (might be going on)

Yeah, be concerned, take the precautions and the oregano oil (just got mine ;) ) But--remember who we are as spiritual beings--and that this too shall pass. Eventually.

[ExomatrixTV]

Chinese hospitals discharge 36,117 recovered patients (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/28/c_138826320.htm) of coronavirus infection

Coronavirus: 60% of UK population need to become infected so country can build 'herd immunity (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity-uk-nhs-outbreak-pandemic-government-a9399101.html)', government's chief scientist says

[snoman]

this is worrying... 168,000 people signing as i type

Petition
Implement UK lockdown for preventing spread of COVID19

The UK needs to follow suit the containment procedures of countries that have been greatly affected by COVID19 such as Italy.
The UK should restrict unnecessary travel between towns and cities. Travel permitted should only be for work or emergencies.
Public gatherings should also be discouraged.
Sign this petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397?fbclid=IwAR3YWtxvs3MYJ0zsIvvpqEQ58h31budl9FBu01JdWqyNIxcljIzjqPoSKO0


I am very very uncomfortable with rising numbers of people calling to be put in lockdown... I am not however saying i think we shouldnt self-isolate but...
extrapolating forwards, to another time and event, the control system might well say 'well, last time lockdown was necessary it was the people who had to demand the government impose it, after much inaction for which they came in for severe criticism.. so we are keen to avoid a repeat of that and are taking these steps without public consultation.' society is easily conditioned to changes... this makes me very itchy to say the least

[norman]

this is worrying... 168,000 people signing as i type

Petition
Implement UK lockdown for preventing spread of COVID19

The UK needs to follow suit the containment procedures of countries that have been greatly affected by COVID19 such as Italy.
The UK should restrict unnecessary travel between towns and cities. Travel permitted should only be for work or emergencies.
Public gatherings should also be discouraged.
Sign this petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397?fbclid=IwAR3YWtxvs3MYJ0zsIvvpqEQ58h31budl9FBu01JdWqyNIxcljIzjqPoSKO0


I am very very uncomfortable with rising numbers of people calling to be put in lockdown... I am not however saying i think we shouldnt self-isolate but...
extrapolating forwards, to another time and event, the control system might well say 'well, last time lockdown was necessary it was the people who had to demand the government impose it, after much inaction for which they came in for severe criticism.. so we are keen to avoid a repeat of that and are taking these steps without public consultation.' society is easily conditioned to changes... this makes me very itchy to say the least

That's bloody stupid.

IF the case for it is valid, there shouldn't be any exception for any reason, else what the hell's the point.

The dead givaway that something fishy is up with this is that there are exceptions written in to it.

Like, this is life and death, unless you've got a job to go to, FFS, give me a break.

[Bill Ryan]

As best I can understand, Ecuador has just made an announcement that it's cutting off all incoming flights from everywhere, and not even citizens or residents will be able to enter the country by land, sea or air after midnight on Monday. The drawbridge is up.

[T Smith]

So , say it is true that this virus is an engineered bioweapon, that was planted in Wuhan by parts of the USA deep state.

This does not compute, as it would very likely blow up in their faces

Not if these so-called perpetrators are "deep-state globalist factions" that do want to bring the USA down... that is, the USA's nationalist government currently commandeered by a rogue administration (which isn't so easily disentangled from "Deep State" per the common understanding of things. How can one really blame one and exonerate the other? It makes perfect sense to me. These "deep state" actors, e.g., NWO globalists, have no love for the USA or any other national power.


They very likely would depart from traditional inscrutability, and publish research, accusing these forces of the crime. Such a statement would greatly assist those in the USA seeking to reestablish the people's control of a deep state currently operating autonomously.

This is giving a lot of credit to the general PR-washed public in discerning the complex dynamic of geopolitical reality, imho. Even so, Chinese Intelligence has accused (https://www.rt.com/news/482990-china-coronavirus-us-come-clean/) these forces of the crime, in the only way that doesn't sound even crazier to the public than it already sounds (even the benign way it's framed by the counter propaganda apparatus in the West portrays the charge as a absurd "conspiracy theory")... The problem is, this is a very "murky" accusation to make... I would guess not 1 in 1000 has a good enough grasp on the complex dynamic of geopolitical reality to understand that a US Soldier potentially planting the virus in Wuhan in November 2019 might be nothing more than an unwitting NWO asset bearing a uniform with the insignia of an American flag in symbol only. His/her mission and objective is not only unbeknownst to the world, but also to him/herself, his/her commanding officers, and, ironically, quite counter to the very interests of the country he/she serves. It is very plausible that these soldiers are their own enemies. How would such a statement or accusation from Chinese intelligence separate the official US military with the globalist factions behind it, i.e. those forces that have deployed the bioweapon using US military assets as lapdogs?

Whether the charge in the article above is true or not (I believe Bill speculated about this well before this article even came out), this is what foreign ministry spokesperson Lijian Zhaohis accusations suggest to me.

[norman]

I bet I get boo'd off for saying this, but there is one exciting prospect haunting all this lockdown stuff.

With the whole world locked down, the roundup of cabal/deepstate actors should be a piece of cake.

[justntime2learn]

I bet I get boo'd off for saying this, but there is one exciting prospect haunting all this lockdown stuff.

With the whole world locked down, the roundup of cabal/deepstate actors should be a piece of cake.

No boo's necessary from where I'm sitting...

[Satori]

I bet I get boo'd off for saying this, but there is one exciting prospect haunting all this lockdown stuff.

With the whole world locked down, the roundup of cabal/deepstate actors should be a piece of cake.

I’m not sure it will be a piece of cake. Yes, there may be fewer innocents walking around and getting in harms way and complicating things, but the implication from the point of view of this theory is that the targets will fold like a cheap tent. I’m not sure that follows. I believe many will cower because they are a bunch of frightened chicken ****s, but some will not go down without having their hired thugs fight back for them.

I just heard that Trump, Pence and other high level US official are leaving the US for some reasons. Is that true? If so, what’s up with that?

[wondering]

Norman, What an excellent thought...no boos from me, either. Diane

[Bill Ryan]

An all-embracing 50 minute conversation between Dave Hodges (host) and Mike Adams, recorded just before Trump's emergency announcement yesterday.

Recommended (and there are some valuable self-treatment tips in there) — but it's not for the faint-hearted.


https://dcs.megaphone.fm/REP7402712972.mp3?key=4258e7b49abe784413c989ebb656edb7

[Delight]

Containment need not be for a LONG period but needs to be intensive and would help.


Get started
The 11 Day Plan to contain COVID-19. The Global 11 Day Plan?
Jan Barta
(https://medium.com/@jb_89278/the-11-day-plan-to-contain-covid-19-the-global-11-day-plan-99e324630de7)
This will be very surprising to the absolute majority of people, but it is relatively simple to contain COVID-19 at this point if the right measures are enacted immediately. It’s all about changing government and people mindsets. Instead of taking gradual reactive measures based on the number of cases increasing (the boiling frog analogy) because governments are afraid of damage to the economy, it is absolutely vital to go for total radical and pro-active measures that will essentially grind to a halt the normal course of living for a very short period of time — a couple of days.

Through these measures COVID-19 will be contained within 3 weeks in most places in the given cities/countries enacting these measures and much less harm will be done to the world economy in the end.

I have devised a very simple plan — The 11 Day Plan — that is based on evidence of what works to contain the virus, draws on behavioral economics, minimizes long term damage in mental health (we will be facing a global epidemic of anxiety disorders and OCD otherwise) and takes into account the specifics of the situation and shortcomings we are currently facing, which include:

· Total shortage of protective gear, respirators, masks etc. for even the most exposed in the first line of defense — doctors and medical personnel

· Testing capacity is limited, helplines are clogged up, it is often very difficult for people with symptoms to even get tested

· Our governments are not agile and capable enough to deliver a response like Singapore, which can deliver surgically precise interventions on a micro level. Actually, I firmly believe US/European governments must immediately give up on imitating Singapore, which was prepared on a completely different level than we are (experience with SARS epidemic etc.)

· Contact tracing is becoming increasingly more complicated with the amount of cases and the rise of community spread

· Certain governments (e.g the UK) are on the verge of giving up on the containment phase and are increasingly looking at the option of letting the disease cascade through the population

· We are still very lucky to have a limited amount of cases and little community spread

This is The 11 Day Plan. I have kept it as simple as possible — because that makes it the most effective and easy to understand (there are many tweaks and upgrades I can think about, but I will discuss them later elsewhere):

1. Each country, city, region or village (with a perimeter of a few km to be defined based on contact tracing) that has more than 1 case per 20,000 inhabitants must enact for a period of 11 days a total ban on people leaving their household — except for 1 household member every two days to purchase food/medicine or critical medical visits. This is how you drive down the multiplying effect of the virus substantially. All restaurants (except for takeaways), offices, gyms, pretty much everything, are closed for 11 days. Establish a two hour window, say 10.00 to 12.00, where supermarkets and pharmacies are open only to the most vulnerable — to pensioners — to decrease their chances of infection.

2. For 11 days enact an order that all medical staff, pharmacy and supermarket employees must wear respirators or face masks. On a country level divert your protective supplies to cities with the enacted 11 Day plan so they can supply these employees.

3. Deliver a surge in frequency of public transport for 11 days to increase social spacing (may seem counter-intuitive when use of public transport has already declined, but it is the right thing to do). Ban the taxi service, UBER, LYFT etc. for 11 days for transporting people. Instead, make all these drivers couriers for 11 days.

4. Cut all transport links to other countries, cities and regions that are virus free or have limited cases (under 1 case in 20,000 inhabitants). Only keep them open for critical logistics.

So why enact all these measures for exactly 11 days? 11 days is a short enough time frame that people can envision their lives grinding to a halt for and staying at home. Also, 11 days happens to be where approximately 95%+ of cases fit with their incubation period. The whole idea is that within these 11 days the vast majority of people that are currently infected but are not showing symptoms will develop symptoms and surface. You then keep these people in strict home quarantine and put the most vulnerable/tough cases in the hospital.
Within 3 weeks you basically have COVID-19 contained with all existing cases in home quarantine or hospital in a given territory. Here and there you will have a new case surface somewhere, but you are dealing with a problem of completely different magnitude and with the small amount of these cases you can deliver a precisely targeted intervention.

The economy can be pretty much immediately restarted in full swing in 3–4 weeks and the least economical damage is done as opposed to gradual reactive measures that most governments are currently enacting.

Now, it is very legitimate to ask why not enact all these measures for the entire country or the entire continent for a globally synchronized 11 day period — especially since the world is so interconnected? It would be obviously difficult to coordinate and the effect on this economy would be a little bit larger, but not significantly. The world economy is paralyzed anyway.

This may sound totally naïve from somebody living somewhere in the Czech Republic with no global policy experience– but I am calling on the WHO/United Nations/World leaders to help me enact this GLOBAL 11 Day Plan. Dream Big, right?

Please share if you support the idea. Also, I would be delighted if at least one small newspaper could publish this because my wife is angry with me because I have been working on my computer nonstop for 2 weeks. I need to show her that I have been doing something useful. Stay strong everybody, this will be over soon.
This article is creative commons.
Jan Barta, 34, resides in Prague, Czech Republic. He is a partner in Pale Fire Capital.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Presidential primary delayed, National Guard deployed in Georgia over virus fears
(https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/kemp-postpones-primaries-calls-up-national-guard-over-virus-fears/OEK43EJ3YFEORIADIGSFQGEQWI/)

Atlanta — Georgia election officials are postponing the state’s March 24 presidential primaries until May because of fears over the coronavirus.
.....
On Saturday, Kemp also called up the National Guard, saying he will deploy as many as 2,000 troops to help with the coronavirus response.
....
Election officials said in addition to the safety of the public, one of the biggest considerations was the risk the virus posed to poll workers, who are often older.

I was not expecting all this so soon. I'm acutely aware of Georgia, cause that's where I am, but it's all across the US. And US officials seemed so far behind the curve, I think I half expected our healthcare to be totally overwhelmed before they actually did anything.

There's a lot of talk going around about the need to reduce the risk for those specifically in the high-risk categories. This talk did not exist even just a few days ago!

Like most of you, I've been following this for months. Pretty much at every report, I'm yelling at the screen something along the lines of: "You should have been doing that a month ago!" Now all of the sudden, their actions are on steroids. So part of me feels like "wait, did I miss something?"

I'm totally behind shutting things down and protecting the vulnerable! Remember that scene from Jurassic Park? "People are dying. Would you please shut down the system!" I've been John Hammond yelling that at the US for not acting sooner.

And yet, I have a nagging sensation that all this sudden focus on protecting the vulnerable is being used a smoke screen for something else.

One suspicion I have is that the officials are scared to death of what might happen to them. So many of them are, well, old men. They fall into the high risk age and gender category. Has anyone looked into the demographics of our officials and aligned them with the data for Corvid19? (see what I did there ;) ) If this thing were to sweep through DC, what kind of statistics are we looking at among them?

[ExomatrixTV]

British scientists on brink of finding Coronavirus vaccine

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiyrLrQtpvoAhUlsaQKHeMHCdYQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2020%2F03%2F14%2Fbritish-scientists-brink-finding-coronavirus-vaccine-12396552%2F&usg=AOvVaw10QHgdKN8fyYkR6Z2aeq9O)

[Delight]

Mike Adams also talked about the underlying issue of weakened immune systems in Bill's last post. I am sure this is true, healthy immune systems are what will be saving us. I agree with Dr. Shiva and appreciate his video here.

dFczfwW99kU

[Caliban]

Primaries postponed in Georgia and Louisiana.
Just a pause to wonder: What about the next one? Does everything keep getting shut down--each time?

[Delight]

I am waiting to see how the age range looks in the US


40 to 50 Dutch corona patients in intensive care units: "More than half are under fifty" (https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/40-a-50-nederlandse-coronapatienten-op-intensive-cares-meer-dan-de-helft-is-onder-de-vijftig~a058aad2/)

Today there are between forty and fifty corona patients in critical condition on Dutch intensive care units. “More than half of those patients are under fifty years old. There are also young people. "" That says chairman of the Dutch Association for Intensive Care (NVIC) Diederik Gommers, in an interview with this site.

The professor of intensive care medicine, who himself heads the IC of Rotterdam's Erasmus MC, emphasizes that it is not only the elderly who are affected by the corona virus. ,, What has mainly made the news is that older people die faster. This is about 2.5 percent of the entire population, while about 15 percent of the elderly die. But more than half of those patients are under fifty years old. It also includes young people. "

The specialist explains that it also regularly happens with regular flu that younger people end up in intensive care. "You can see that with the flu: those people get severe double-sided pneumonia." In addition, older people also choose not to be treated in intensive care.

16 year old
A 16-year-old boy from Breda is infected with the coronavirus and is currently in the intensive care unit of the Erasmus MC-Sophia Children's Hospital. His family calls on the whole of the Netherlands: "Wake up and take this virus seriously."

The IC specialist also says that admissions to intensive care because of the Covid-19 virus can take weeks. ,, In Erasmus there are two patients who have been on respiration for three weeks now. All other patients on the intensive care unit are shorter. "

Dutch doctors have also been informed about patients from Lombardy, Italy, who confirm data that young and relatively healthy people are also affected by the corona virus. ,, The youngest intubated Covid-19 patient is a girl of 16 years old. Two children with Covid-19 were admitted to the pediatric IC for observation but did not require additional therapy, "the information circulated among Dutch physicians states. The first patient to be ventilated in that Italian region was ventilated for eighteen days, while he was relatively healthy. "It was a 38-year-old, otherwise very healthy man, who ran marathons for this."

Main risk factor for obesity
The average age of all covid-19 ic patients in Lombardy, Italy, was 70 years, according to which "the main risk factor for ic uptake is obesity". According to that information, the transfer of corona from mother to unborn children does not seem to take place. ,, This is based on three positively tested mothers (all incidentally complaint-free) who gave birth to a child which tested negative for covid-19. The same was observed in China, "according to the information distributed to Dutch specialists based on the Italian region.

"Rest and control"
According to Gommers, it is "busy" in the Netherlands for the departments for the most seriously ill patients, who need continuous care and monitoring, "but because precautions have been taken, it is still possible." “I have had both Den Bosch and Amphia in Breda on the line today. There is peace and control. "

Currently, according to the chairman of the IC doctors in the Netherlands, "about forty to fifty people are in intensive care units, that is the position this morning." “In Breda, for example, the large intensive care units have between eight to ten patients. That is about 30 percent of the total capacity. It is therefore a little less busy than I initially expected, "admits the chairman of the intensive care association, who warned that after this weekend not only the Brabant but also the Rotterdam intensive care would fill up.

A Chinese study, based on nearly 45,000 patients, shows that the elderly are by far the most at risk for contracting the coronavirus. The risk of death of people over 80 was almost 15 percent, for people in their seventies this is 8 percent, for example, against 0.2 percent of infected teenagers.

Of those first 45,000 patients from the Chinese study, according to Gommers, "about 5 percent were in intensive care and about 15 percent ended up in hospital." "So in total it is about 20 percent." "According to the IC specialist, you can only say more about how deadly it is when the coronavirus has been eradicated. “There is no point in counting hospital admissions. You can only tell afterwards how deadly such a flu virus is, by comparing the number of deaths against the population. "

This is a very good article that states containment is critical and half hearted measures won't work. posting the end


“Flattening the Curve” is a deadly delusion
Joscha Bach (https://medium.com/@joschabach/flattening-the-curve-is-a-deadly-delusion-eea324fe9727)
..................
China has learned its lesson: after the lockdown of Hubei, other regions implemented effective containment measures as soon as the first cases emerged. The same happened in Singapore and Taiwan. South Korea was tracking its first 30 cases very well, until patient 31 infected over 1000 others on a church congregation.
For some reason, Western countries refused to learn the lesson. Italy thought they could get away with letting the virus spread, until their hospitals collapsed under the load, and older people or those with a history of cancer, organ transplants or diabetes were excluded from access to critical care. The US, UK and Germany are not yet at this point: they try to “flatten the curve” by implementing ineffective or half hearted measures that are only meant to slow down the spread of the disease, instead of containing it.
There will be some countries that do not have the necessary infrastructure to implement severe containment measures, which include widespread testing, quarantines, movement restrictions, travel restrictions, work restrictions, supply chain reorganization, school closures, childcare for people working in critical professions, production and distribution of protective equipment and medical supplies. This means that some countries will stomp out the virus and others will not. In a few months from now, the world will turn into red zones and green zones, and almost all travel from red zones into green zones will come to a halt, until an effective treatment for COVID-19 is found.
Flattening the curve is not an option for the United States, for the UK or Germany. Don’t tell your friends to flatten the curve. Let’s start containment.

[norman]

I'm not sure if this guy is helping or fanning the flames.

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[norman]

If this is too esoteric for this thread, just move or delete it.

REALiTY CHeCK (https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=IQAURaEm0cI103pC&u=/channel/UCN7Hdc3Rb3YBMHwd_qi-DpQ%3Ffeature%3Dhttp://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN7Hdc3Rb3YBMHwd_qi-DpQ%253Ffeature%253Dem-lsp)- Corona Virus and the Saturn/Pluto Conjunction
-QisVtYWm5s

[cursichella1]

A colleague's 12 year old grandson developed flu symptoms, was diagnosed with Corona virus because they couldn't rule it out without test kits (which apparently prove little) and which is actually pretty convenient for adding to scary tallies of infectees. California has 4 cases of presumed corona virus cases in kids aged 0-17. Or I guess this makes 5. Or maybe not.

Each passing day seems more like a choreographed social, political and economic experiment and nothing like the pandemic it seems, uh, scheduled to be.

[wegge]

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/14/world/europe/14reuters-health-coronavirus-france-drug.html

France Minister of Health advised yesterday via Twitter: (translation of a friend) if you take anti-inflammatory pills, (like ibuprofen, cortisone), this could worsen your infection
if you have fever, take paracetamol
Go see a doctor if you are currently taking anti-inflammatory pills

There was also a WhatsApp message in German (which sounded pretty trustworthy to my ears) going viral yesterday, it was talking about some scientists of Vienna Medical University doing research on why Italian cases were so severe and that they all had taken ibuprofen before. Then some Vienna scientists tested corona viruses with ibuprofen (don’t ask me the exact way) and found something happening. They also said in the message, of course they were no big valid scientific tests but presumably doctors in Vienna are telling patients not to take ibuprofen (don’t know if that’s true.) they also said it’s not official because couldn’t withstand lawsuits from Pharma.

Later the Vienna Medical University officially claimed it as fake news (of course they have to do that)

[Mare]

Here in the UK ibuprofen is contraindicated for asthmatics anyway so it’s no great surprise that it may exacerbate the symptoms of a lung condition like C-virus.

Ibuprofen worsens asthma symptoms by causing the airways to narrow in a condition known as bronchospasm. Aspirin-induced asthma is another recognized condition, which is believed can occur with the use of other NSAIDs (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) as well.

[wegge]

Here in the UK ibuprofen is contraindicated for asthmatics anyway so it’s no great surprise that it may exacerbate the symptoms of a lung condition like C-virus.

Ibuprofen worsens asthma symptoms by causing the airways to narrow in a condition known as bronchospasm. Aspirin-induced asthma is another recognized condition, which is believed can occur with the use of other NSAIDs (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) as well.

Thanks for your addition!
Well in my experience people take Ibuprofen like candy - „I need an Ibu“ is what they say.

[norman]

Why did President Richard Nixon tell his hand picked special agent Robert Merrit, deep under the White House, that the year 2020 was going to be catastrophic for the human race ?

According to Daniel Liszt, that actually happened.

[carnavas]

Hello guys,
Things are going downhill here in Iran,
President Rouhani just said there will be no government imposed quarantines trying to keep the normal everyday life and economy from falling, contrary to what the revolutionary guard said yesterday, guess they have lots of inner conflicts going on
and while they promised to postpone bank repayments, banks are now taking money from accounts without notice,

There are 100 new deaths everyday going up by 20 and a steadily going up thousand new cases each day

[yuhui]

I hope information from this video helps because I found it to be true. :heart:

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[norman]

quite near the beginning of this video it's interesting to hear Trump say "they all know where this came from, we all know where this came from".

xvAHEzIt9NE


edit:

What doesn't the NSA know?

[alexius]

Hi folks!

There's also another angle to all this.

In this video they talk about the Spanish flu and how this can be related. They somewhat run deep into how new type of electrification of the earth always leads to another flu-type pandemic. They talk about how viruses are simply excretion of a toxic cell, viruses are pieces of dna/rna with a few other proteins that break from the cell, viruses are not the cause of anything.

70xuorU4XuE

I'd be happy to hear some thoughts about this. Stay safe ppl and make good decisions. Much love <3

[Bill Ryan]

Hi folks!

There's also another angle to all this.

In this video they talk about the Spanish flu and how this can be related. They somewhat run deep into how new type of electrification of the earth always leads to another flu-type pandemic. They talk about how viruses are simply excretion of a toxic cell, viruses are pieces of dna/rna with a few other proteins that break from the cell, viruses are not the cause of anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70xuorU4XuE

I'd be happy to hear some thoughts about this. Stay safe ppl and make good decisions. Much love <3Well, it depends what one means by 'cause'. If you were in a biolab, with no hazmat suits, and someone dropped and broke a vial of Smallpox or Ebola, that'd almost certainly be the end of everyone in that room — no matter how healthy you were.

[kfm27917]

Caution. This blog seems to have been infected.

Being a fairly new member, somehow I had expectations that this forum was different.

Given that the rest of the internet only deals with one subject currently, we also seemed to have succumbed to the virus. No place to surf without being overrun with Covid19 news.

I am going to self-insulate my mind for 14 days and see what happens.....

[MorningFox]

Seems to me that Bill Ryan is either simply not very intelligent or has been compromised or bought out and is spreading unwarranted fear in the exact same manner as the MSM. This isn't Ebola, or smallpox, its a virus that only kills people with very weak immune systems (just like regular flu) and a hundred thousand plus people have had it and got back to perfect health fairly shortly after.

Having a healthy immune system is the number one thing you can possibly do for yourself and your own protection. Don't allow this man to lower your frequency and put you in to a state of fear thus lowering your immune system.

Eat well. Breathe well. Meditate in peace. Regulate your vibrational frequency towards harmony. Feel the love and gratitude for this wonderful life fully within your heart and radiate it out through your body and on to others.

Vitamin A is crucial. If you contract it, vitamin C is crucial. Love, peace and gratitude.

I forgive you Bill

[Bill Ryan]

Seems to me that Bill Ryan is either simply not very intelligent or has been compromised or bought out and is spreading unwarranted fear in the exact same manner as the MSM. This isn't Ebola, or smallpox, its a virus that only kills people with very weak immune systems (just like regular flu) and a hundred thousand plus people have had it and got back to perfect health fairly shortly after.

Having a healthy immune system is the number one thing you can possibly do for yourself and your own protection. Don't allow this man to lower your frequency and put you in to a state of fear thus lowering your immune system.

Eat well. Breathe well. Meditate in peace. Regulate your vibrational frequency towards harmony. Feel the love and gratitude for this wonderful life fully within your heart and radiate it out through your body and on to others.

Vitamin A is crucial. If you have it vitamin C is crucial. Love, peace and gratitude.

I forgive you BillWell, thank you for your forgiveness! :P

I was specifically responding to this comment about the nature of viruses:


They talk about how viruses are simply excretion of a toxic cell, viruses are pieces of dna/rna with a few other proteins that break from the cell, viruses are not the cause of anything.

Of course, this coronavirus is almost nothing compared to Smallpox or Ebola. But it's still a virus, and all viruses work in basically the same way.

[MorningFox]

I mean no ill will Bill (hah!) and I thank you for all you've done but I've noticed multiple posts of yours in this thread that are doing not much other than spreading fear. That is the last thing we need be doing right now.

Love and light to all.

[Bill Ryan]

Caution. This blog seems to have been infected.

Being a fairly new member, somehow I had expectations that this forum was different.

Given that the rest of the internet only deals with one subject currently, we also seemed to have succumbed to the virus. No place to surf without being overrun with Covid19 news.

I am going to self-insulate my mind for 14 days and see what happens.....We have 4 (four) threads about Covid-19. And another 3 (three) about preventative measures.

The forum has 91,830 threads. So that leaves another 91,823 threads on every other topic under the sun (and other suns, too).

That's enough reading material for anyone for a decade. The forum is yours to browse. Read and contribute to whatever you like. If someone's not choosing to read this thread, no-one's forcing them to. There's PLENTY else on the menu.

:thumbsup:

[Bill Ryan]

I mean no ill will Bill (hah!) and I thank you for all you've done but I've noticed multiple posts of yours in this thread that are doing not much other than spreading fear. That is the last thing we need be doing right now.

Love and light to all.

http://projectavalon.net/If_facts_alarm_you.gif

A little about me you may well not know. (And I truly don't mean this harshly: you may very well not know much about me.)

I'm a trained and professionally certified Mountaineering Instructor. I've led many parties in mountains, including enthusiastic novices. I've climbed in teams or with partners all over the world, including the Himalayas.

My job in that role is to safeguard everyone. And that involves always being aware of potential risk and danger, which often aren't too far away. Weather, avalanches, rockfalls, swollen rivers to cross, nightfall, and much else.

But I'm never afraid in the mountains. The last time I was afraid was in the circumstances I shared in this story, when I was just 26.


A day in the mountains: a tale of forgiveness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14409-A-day-in-the-mountains-a-tale-of-forgiveness)

I'd be honored if you'd read it. :flower: It was a formative incident for me.

My fear (sheer blind terror, actually) somehow didn't stop me from managing to do the right thing to save my friend's life. (And it was a close call, by seconds, but we both emerged 100% unscathed.)

The reason I'm not afraid these days is because I know what the heck I'm doing and have a lot of experience. I take what many would consider to be 'risks', but I also take great care all the time.

In all these many years, I've never had the tiniest injury to myself or anyone I've been climbing with. Barely a scratch. In that world, where people get badly hurt or killed all the time, that's a testimony I'm proud of.

That's because I pay close attention to reality. If you try to cross a busy highway, and a huge Mack 18 wheeler is bearing down on you going too fast to stop, and you stand there, close your eyes and say: "There is no truck! There is no truck! There is no truck!" ... it'll hit you anyway. Best open your eyes and get out of the way! :)

:focus:

[thepainterdoug]

Morning Fox / to suggest that Bill Ryan isn't very intelligent is a bit of an affront to me, and Im sure many here in light of the wealth of information and breath of the topics Bill has presented and spoken on over many years.

And to add to this something conspiratorial in the direction of Bill being" compromised "seems a bit much ? Compromised by who? Can you give some reasoning for an assertion like that?

[Iloveyou]

i‘m blown away at the moment of how great the forum is doing since the start of this issue and how well the discussion is proceeding in different directions, very moderately and differentiated.

It reminds me strongly of the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Please allow me one moment of relief (will delete if inappropriate):

Lemon and cloves. Like cures like (homeopathic principle) :)

http://www.salamandra.de/assets/Uploads/Dairy/mit-naeglein-besteckt__ScaleWidthWzQwMF0.jpg
© Luisa Francia

https://radiogold.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/coronavirus.png

[Sarah Rainsong]

i‘m blown away at the moment of how great the forum is doing since the start of this issue and how well the discussion is proceeding in different directions, very moderately and differentiated.

It reminds me strongly of the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Please allow me one moment of relief (will delete if inappropriate):

Lemon and cloves. Like cures like (homeopathic principle) :)

http://www.salamandra.de/assets/Uploads/Dairy/mit-naeglein-besteckt__ScaleWidthWzQwMF0.jpg
© Luisa Francia

https://radiogold.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/coronavirus.png
A bit of synchronicity happening in my life
https://s22735.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sweetgum3.jpg

[greybeard]

Ministers plan police powers to arrest coronavirus patients not self-isolating

And four month self isolation for over 70s has been mentioned
Chris

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says over-70s could be asked to self-isolate in 'coming weeks' to 'shield' themselves from coronavirus


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ministers-plan-police-powers-arrest-111627498.html

[Sarah Rainsong]

I mean no ill will Bill (hah!) and I thank you for all you've done but I've noticed multiple posts of yours in this thread that are doing not much other than spreading fear. That is the last thing we need be doing right now.

Love and light to all.

http://projectavalon.net/If_facts_alarm_you.gif

A little about me you may well not know. (And I truly don't mean this harshly: you may very well not know much about me.)

I'm a trained and professionally certified Mountaineering Instructor. I've led many parties in mountains, including enthusiastic novices. I've climbed in teams or with partners all over the world, including the Himalayas.

My job in that role is to safeguard everyone. And that involves always being aware of potential risk and danger, which often aren't too far away. Weather, avalanches, rockfalls, swollen rivers to cross, nightfall, and much else.

But I'm never afraid in the mountains. The last time I was afraid was in the circumstances I shared in this story, when I was just 26.


A day in the mountains: a tale of forgiveness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14409-A-day-in-the-mountains-a-tale-of-forgiveness)

I'd be honored if you'd read it. :flower: It was a formative incident for me.

My fear (sheer blind terror, actually) somehow didn't stop me from managing to do the right thing to save my friend's life. (And it was a close call, by seconds, but we both emerged 100% unscathed.)

The reason I'm not afraid these days is because I know what the heck I'm doing and have a lot of experience. I take what many would consider to be 'risks', but I also take great care all the time.

In all these many years, I've never had the tiniest injury to myself or anyone I've been climbing with. Barely a scratch. In that world, where people get badly hurt or killed all the time, that's a testimony I'm proud of.

That's because I pay close attention to reality. If you try to cross a busy highway, and a huge Mack 18 wheeler is bearing down on you going too fast to stop, and you stand there, close your eyes and say: "There is no truck! There is no truck! There is no truck!" ... it'll hit you anyway. Best open your eyes and get out of the way! :)

:focus:


Morning Fox / to suggest that Bill Ryan isn't very intelligent is a bit of an affront to me, and Im sure many here in light of the wealth of information and breath of the topics Bill has presented and spoken on over many years.

And to add to this something conspiratorial in the direction of Bill being" compromised "seems a bit much ? Compromised by who? Can you give some reasoning for an assertion like that?

Whenever I hear someone accusing another of spreading fear, I think what they really mean is: Don't scare me with facts.

I know the first adjustment reaction is denial, but this is only another reason why facts need to be spread in spite of fear reactions. This virus/event/whatever-you-want-to-call-it has spread enough that we don't have to compare to anything but itself. People are being affected at exponential rates. You must understand the exponents. It's not just about deaths, it's about hospitalizations.

And it's also about official reactions. When the officials are reacting (placing restrictions, quarantines, etc.) at an exponential rate, you need to be prepared.

If you leave out either one of those parts (hospitalizations and healthcare vs government restrictions) you are leaving it out at your own detriment. Some of us are responsible for others beside ourselves and cannot take that risk.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Yep - We always see both sides of the extremes, ie: denial/"positive thinking" <--------->intense fear/"negative thinking". It's like the two ends of the normal curve. Just leads us right back to the very important concept of Balance.
My belief is that Balance is, well... everything.
:sun:

Here's today's Denninger. He usually seems quite balanced.
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[Pam]

Primaries postponed in Georgia and Louisiana.
Just a pause to wonder: What about the next one? Does everything keep getting shut down--each time?

This really puzzles me too. Why not just send out the ballots? Why not do a mail in election? This is a piece of the puzzle that isn't making sense. The governments response and lack of response is going to be very interesting. In the US if there is no presidential election does that mean Trump stays in office indefinitely. That would not be pleasing to the deep state.

Remember that thing about the book "The Last President" the Baron Trump story. Kind of gives me the creeps.

[avatar]

I wish to thank Bill for this thread. I started watching it several weeks ago, and took appropriate steps to stock up. It has allowed me to come to terms with this gradually, systematically, and not in a "panic" mode. Thank You!!!

[Tintin]

this Virus has allegedly had bits of the HIV virus added. We do not know what characteristics the inserted sequences confer, however a characteriestic of HIV is rapid mutation...

"The high levels of genetic diversity of the HIV-1 virus grant it the ability to escape the immune system, to rapidly evolve drug resistance, and to circumvent vaccination strategies. However, our knowledge of HIV-1 mutation rates has been largely restricted to in vitro and cell culture studies"


https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002251

Thanks for this Baby Steps :highfive:

I've downloaded all the spreadsheets and figures/images used in this paper, which may be an important one, and zipped them all together as well here in the library (http://avalonlibrary.net/Extremely_High_Mutation_Rate_of%20HIV_1%20In-Vivo_(Cuevas%20et%20al)_2015/) in a standalone folder.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Extremely_High_Mutation_Rate_of%20HIV_1%20In-Vivo_(Cuevas%20et%20al)_2015/Extremely_High_Mutation_Rate_of_HIV-1_In%20Vivo_Cuevas_et_al_2015.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.


https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy?page=with:block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631#block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631

~~~

German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

Edit to add: a reference has now been given.


https://welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web

More still, in some detail:


https://channelnewsasia.com/news/business/germany-tries-to-stop-us-poaching-german-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-12540240

[snoman]

any comment?

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more here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-519

surveillance tech and big data mapping... slippery slope?

[James Newell]

Here is a video from Mike Adams. It is a video on prepping and being prepared. Take it as you will, but I am glad I am not flat footed or unprepared, for this or anything else really. Hope he's wrong and it all peters out in the warm months. I guess if it doesn't we'll have fairly good certainty it IS a bioweapon and we are going to be off to the races.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5e6d32d0e370be008dd6d045

[Delight]

Caution. This blog seems to have been infected.

Being a fairly new member, somehow I had expectations that this forum was different.

Given that the rest of the internet only deals with one subject currently, we also seemed to have succumbed to the virus. No place to surf without being overrun with Covid19 news.

I am going to self-insulate my mind for 14 days and see what happens.....

You are free to approach information or stay away. That is what I love about this forum. Free will is our original truth IMO and what we are exploring in life.

I have a brother who undertook a road trip cross country and has heard absolutely nothing about the subject except what I told him. Then he decided he'd rather continue his journey because he is a free person.

[Delight]

Vitamin A is crucial. If you contract it, vitamin C is crucial. Love, peace and gratitude.

I forgive you Bill

I forgive you too for trying to paint us with desire to explore an issue, with being "either simply not very intelligent or has been compromised or bought out and is spreading unwarranted fear in the exact same manner as the MSM." I wish you continued great health, omnipotence and omniscience. May they never fail you.

[Delight]

Primaries postponed in Georgia and Louisiana.
Just a pause to wonder: What about the next one? Does everything keep getting shut down--each time?

This really puzzles me too. Why not just send out the ballots? Why not do a mail in election? This is a piece of the puzzle that isn't making sense. The governments response and lack of response is going to be very interesting. In the US if there is no presidential election does that mean Trump stays in office indefinitely. That would not be pleasing to the deep state.

Remember that thing about the book "The Last President" the Baron Trump story. Kind of gives me the creeps.

I agree with you that this give the creeps. However, IMO it will galvanize many to a rage great enough to stir the pot of complacency. I am really curious about how this will blow back if it is a planned take down. I feel there is a deep well of strength that most never tap into unless challenged. How this will go, only time will tell?

(slightly off topic:)
And how in heck can the Democrats be pushing this senile elder candidate? That is another really confusing note. All this is making no sense except when i look at a concept of the superficial matrix shattering.

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[norman]

I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.



https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy?page=with:block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631#block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631


~~~

German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

Edit to add: a reference has now been given.



https://welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web



Well, first off, it's the Guardian, yawn. Then who knows what the German paper is.

It could be, and probably is, a spin on Trump simply offering lots of financial support to get the vaccine done and available. "Excusive Rights" it probalby one line in the paperwork related to securing Trumps money.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

To me, this thread has been the very opposite of fear. I come to Avalon to learn people thoughts, opinions, observations and research in a thoughtful and respectful forum. No one is forcing me to read this and as Bill pointed out, there are many threads on many topics. I feel less fear when I have information from multiple sources and many locations to consider and process.. if someone perceives this as fear-mongering, I would respectfully disagree. I appreciate many of the perspectives I have encountered on this unique time.

[onevoice]

I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.


https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy?page=with:block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631#block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631

~~~

German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

Edit to add: a reference has now been given.


https://welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web


I found this CNN article (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html) which refutes this:

German company working on coronavirus vaccine denies Trump is trying to acquire its scientists

From CNN’s Nadine Schmidt, Claudia Otto and Fred Pleitgen in Berlin

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A German company working to develop a coronavirus vaccine is denying a report in a German newspaper that President Trump is trying to lure German scientists working on an experimental coronavirus vaccine to the US.

German company CureVac, working to develop mRNA-based coronavirus vaccine, did not deny being in touch with Trump or the US government, but did reject rumors of an acquisition in a statement issued on Sunday.


The self-described clinical state biopharmaceutical company said: “…internal efforts are focused on the development of a coronavirus vaccine with the goal to reach, help and to protect people and patients worldwide. As a consequence, the company is in contact with especially CEPI and many other organizations and authorities worldwide, however abstains from commenting on speculations and rejects allegations about offers for acquisition of the company or its technology.”


The story first emerged earlier Sunday when German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag reported that Trump was trying to lure CureVac with "large sums," also saying Trump was working to acquire the vaccine but “only for the US”, citing anonymous German federal government sources.

The report reads: ''The US president is allegedly offering the company a large sum of money to secure their work exclusively. Trump would do anything to get a vaccine for the US. ‘But only for the United States,’ according to the federal government.''

Germany’s Health Ministry responding to a CNN question about the German newspaper report said: "The federal government is very interested in the fact that vaccines and active substances against the novel corona virus are also being developed in Germany and Europe. In this regard, the federal government is in intensive exchange with the company CureVac."

[David Trd1]

Ministers plan police powers to arrest coronavirus patients not self-isolating

And four month self isolation for over 70s has been mentioned
Chris

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says over-70s could be asked to self-isolate in 'coming weeks' to 'shield' themselves from coronavirus


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ministers-plan-police-powers-arrest-111627498.html

I live in Australia and this is being discussed on the government level aswell, on the same day. I’m deeply suspicious around this sort of co-incidence.

Fletcher Prouty reading newspapers in NZ comes to mind...

[Tintin]

This is all I know for now. And some advice on toilet paper lol, you can always use water in a shortage that’s how we do it in the middle east, just fill a bottle of water put it nearby and wash yourself with in on the seat, sorry if I’m giving details.

We can even do it here in so-called 'developed' countries. Some soap on a flannel will work just as well should an emergency arise, and then rinse thoroughly and repeat. (Perhaps I'm providing too much detail too, but, there are workarounds.)

:)

[ExomatrixTV]

Medical Martial Law:
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FROM 2009: Top scientists are saying that the current swine flu outbreak came from a vaccine lab, but you won’t hear that in the controlled corporate media. Nor will you hear about Bilderberg plans to use the pandemic hysteria to flex the muscles of their nascent global government. But you will hear all about it in this week’s episode of The Corbett Report.

[Kryztian]

I am in Northern New Jersey, about ten miles west of Manhattan/New York City. There are numerous cases here and many events have been cancelled. Never the less, most people are relatively calm and feel they are mostly taking sensible precautions. People are still taking public transportation, still going out to restaurants, still shopping for non essential items, but, the numbers are down.

Grocery purchasing has been heavy for two weeks - most people weren't acknowledging that food sales were up and shelves were restocked quickly. Then last week it became obvious: stores were running out of toilet paper, bleach and hand sanitizer. Everyone I talked to in the market was calm, laughing about the silliness of some hoarders. The people who are quarantining themselves are almost apologetic about it: "I have a wife and who did heavy chemotherapy and now has no immune system." Well, that seems sensible. This morning I went to a super market and they were completely out of stock on most frozen foods and snack foods. All your essential items were there and there was a huge surplus of fresh organic strawberries. Other stores have had a run on whole chickens or eggs, but for the most part, the supply is keeping up with the demand. I really don't think anyone has had to make a major sacrifices and I don't think they will. We joke about which leaves can be used for toilet paper, but I don't think anyone is going to do without.

Some schools have closed and offered online classes, some are still open. For a while, business was down at Chinese restaurants, but now, take out Chinese is quite popular with the people who don't want to cook but don't want to eat in a restaurant. Some churches closed, some stayed open, but they stop shaking hands when it comes to the "sharing of the peace" and rules about communion have changed. The Bishop for the Episcopal church announced a three week shutdown and will hopefully resume services on Palm Sunday.

We have yet to see how COVID-19 will effect our healthcare system as the actual cases in hospitals are still low. While we don't know if they will have to open up other emergency facilities in schools and airports or not, the good news is that our other systems of supply and transportation are functioning just fine. If COVID-19 is a conspiracy to cause fear and breakdown of our systems, then it has failed due to the good sense, kindness and sanity of most of the human beings here.

[DaveToo]

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That woman is so silly and short-sighted!
How could she possibly have missed those gaping holes between her green gloves and shoulders allowing
unfettered access to her body by those pesky COVID-19 viruses. :)

[Tintin]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.




From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)

[T Smith]

I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.


https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy?page=with:block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631#block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631

~~~[INDENT][I]German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

[I]The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.



Hmmm... If this comes to pass and results in a shortage or renders anyone without the means to obtain the vaccine, I'll donate mine to anyone in the world who wants it...

[Cardillac]

Hi all,

I just wanted to report that borders in Europe everywhere are being closed because of Corona-

most recently the border between France and Germany-

I just don't know what to make yet of the Corona virus reports- true or just fear-mongering to fulfill a Globalist/New World Agenda?

any insights into this would be greatly appreciated especially if you're reporting from Europe-

many thanks in advance-

Larry in Germany

[DaveToo]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.




From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)


Yes and let's be sober about these numbers.
When you have a very small population, you are more likely to get skewed calculation numbers.

In addition to trumpeting that they have the highest number of cases per million population, how about trumpeting that they have no reported deaths as of today and only one serious/critical case?

http://projectavalon.net/Iceland_Covid-19_cases_15_March_2020.gif

[Tintin]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.




From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)


Yes and let's be sober about these numbers.
When you have a very small population, you are more likely to get skewed calculation numbers.

In addition to trumpeting that they have the highest number of cases per million population,
how about trumpeting that they have no reported deaths as of today and only one serious/critical case?

Thanks Bill and Dave. I genuinely had no idea - I appreciate the update :highfive:

[Conaire]

The situation in Ireland worsenes. One more death, many more infections.

All bars, clubs, venues have been ordered to close, as of this evening, Sunday 15th March. You know the s*** has hit the fan when pubs close in Ireland, especially two days before the national "lets get hammered" day, aka St Patrick's day.

Cafes and restaurants can remain open, I'm guessing not for much longer. I was talking to an employee of my local coffee shop this afternoon and he couldn't hide his contempt for his employer for remaining open.

Profit before people, sick!

I work in a small restaurant in Dublin City. The owners, responsibility, took the action to close our doors last Friday.

[Caliban]

Public schools in NYC and Long Island CLOSED.

That's over a million and a half kids whose parents are going to have to figure out child care for at least a month.

Looks like they're moving to nationwide school closures:

https://fox8.com/news/list-states-that-have-closed-all-schools-due-to-coronavirus/

[ExomatrixTV]

Mads Palsvig: Corona Legislation in Denmark = 100% FASCISM:
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[sunwings]

Slightly more positive news. South Korea is showing the Coronavirus can be contained. The green bars show the drop in new cases.

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Dr Margaret Harris of the World Health Organisation told Katya Adler on BBC Radio 5 Live Politics South Korea had made "dramatic" changes to stop the spread of the deadly coronavirus. She explained citizens are sent a text message from the Government when a new case has been confirmed in addition to information regarding where the individual has recently been and what they did. She added this better allows the public to know if they are at risk of contracting the disease and need to be tested for it.

[sunwings]

Best open your eyes and get out of the way! Boris Johnson might not agree with you Bill as the UK has taken a different path. A very interesting article in the Guardian explores the UK´s response.

I had assumed that the UK would do the same, that the authorities would be building their resources and plans around nationwide testing, contact tracing, quarantine and a progressive policy of social distancing. I assumed they would inform the public they had a two- to three-month “contain and delay” strategy to get the epidemic under control, and mobilise communities everywhere to provide local support. But from the press conferences last week, the government is not following the WHO strategy. They appear to have concluded that it is inevitable most people would get the disease, so we should let the epidemic proceed to allow 60% of the population to become infected and build herd immunity through the wild virus. What is the scientific justification for this departure from WHO policy? I have questions:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/uk-covid-19-strategy-questions-unanswered-coronavirus-outbreak

[Caliban]

Mads Palsvig: Corona Legislation in Denmark = 100% FASCISM:


This gentleman (in video above) says that China "turned off" their 5G after the breakout in Wuhan. Can anyone confirm that?

[Frank V]

The situation in Ireland worsenes. One more death, many more infections.

All bars, clubs, venues have been ordered to close, as of this evening, Sunday 15th March. You know the s*** has hit the fan when pubs close in Ireland, especially two days before the national "lets get hammered" day, aka St Patrick's day.

Cafes and restaurants can remain open, I'm guessing not for much longer. I was talking to an employee of my local coffee shop this afternoon and he couldn't hide his contempt for his employer for remaining open.

Profit before people, sick!

I work in a small restaurant in Dublin City. The owners, responsibility, took the action to close our doors last Friday.

In Belgium, all cafés, restaurants and clubs/discotheques must remain permanently closed until the 3rd of April. Hotels may remain open. All non-essential shops ─ i.e. shops that do not sell food, animal food or tobacco ─ must remain closed for the weekends but may open on weekdays; again, until the 3rd of April. Pharmacies may make an exception.

All non-essential surgical procedures have been delayed until (again) the 3rd of April, so as to make the emergency rooms and operating rooms available for urgent cases only. All events of a sports-related, cultural or religious nature, whether public or private, are suspended. Today was supposed to be carnival here in town ─ actually, this weekend, from Thursday afternoon until Tuesday evening ─ and it was canceled. Not that I personally have any regrets about that, because I hate carnival. On the flipside, some people are now going just across the border to the Netherlands in order to party.

Supermarkets are having a hard time keeping up with the hoarding rage, and yes, toilet paper is a very hot commodity here. I presume it is believed that barricading oneself behind a stack of toilet rolls would keep the virus out, but I can't be certain about that theory until I've managed to ask one of the morons who bought up large quantities of toilet paper, and I feel a reluctance to find such an individual and then adopt the lingo you would commonly associate with someone whose IQ matches room temperature in Celcius. :lol:


Public schools in NYC and Long Island CLOSED.

That's over a million and a half kids whose parents are going to have to figure out child care for at least a month.

Over here in Belgium, the schools remain closed until the 3rd of April, but only in the sense that there will not be any teaching during that time. The schools will however remain open on weekdays as care facilities, so as to be able to offer a place for younger children whose parents work in the health sector, so that the children's grandparents ─ who make up for a more vulnerable age group ─ wouldn't have to load that burden onto their shoulders.

The hoarding is of course incredibly annoying, but the supermarkets are doing all they can to keep the racks filled, and law enforcement is also keeping an eye on the situation, especially since there have already been riots between rivaling hoarders.

But other than that, as strange and eerie as it may sound, I am actually enjoying the calm. I already have to endure enough noise during the week ─ from before 08:00 in the morning until about 18:30 to 19:00 in the evening ─ from the physiotherapy practice below my apartment, which easily handles about 200 patients per day, spread out across the schedules of three, sometimes four therapists who work here, and they're quite a jolly and loud bunch. At times, it sounds like they would be celebrating carnival all year long.

I also live sideways across the street from a church, and because of the government directives, there won't be any masses anymore until the 3rd of April. So no church bells in the morning, no weddings, no funerals, no baptisms. All nice and quiet.

So, yeah, I actually find the calm and the silence over the weekend quite soothing. I'm pretty much a recluse anyway ─ and for that matter, one with loads and loads of health problems ─ and I normally only leave the door for buying groceries or for having dinner with my brother and his girlfriend every two weeks.

:noidea:

[silvanelf]

I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.


https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy?page=with:block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631#block-5e6dee8b8f085e564ad84631

~~~

German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

Edit to add: a reference has now been given.


https://welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web

More still, in some detail:


https://channelnewsasia.com/news/business/germany-tries-to-stop-us-poaching-german-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-12540240


I guess Trump tried to mess with the wrong guys.

Google translated from a German news agency:


The pharmaceutical company CureVac from Tübingen has rejected an exclusive contract with the United States for a possible vaccine against the novel corona virus. A managing director of dievini Hopp BioTech Holding, which holds 80 percent of the company, said that an exclusive contract with the USA was out of the question. CureVac itself announced that it was developing a vaccine with the aim of helping patients worldwide.

"We want to develop a vaccine for the whole world and not for individual countries," said the managing director and co-founder of dievini Hopp BioTech Holding, Christof Hettich, the "Mannheimer Morgen". The holding company is the main investor in CureVac.

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/CureVac-lehnt-Exklusivvertrag-mit-USA-ab-article21643024.html


Here are some interesting details ...



CureVac CEO replaced in midst of biotech's coronavirus push
Published March 12, 2020

Dive Brief:

CureVac CEO Daniel Menichella was abruptly replaced on Wednesday, when the German biotech announced its board chairman Ingmar Hoerr would take over as the company's top executive.

The transition comes just nine days after Menichella traveled to Washington, D.C. to attend a meeting between President Donald Trump and drugmakers developing treatments for the new coronavirus now rapidly spreading throughout the U.S.

--- snip ---

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-coronavirus-replace-ceo-menichella/574015/

[ExomatrixTV]

Israel news channel: 5G updates & Corona Lockdown
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Israel Prime Minister [quote]: "Unfortunately we have to use military technology in civilian areas" [unquote].

[sllim11]

a friend of mine just sent me this from a friend of hers...

"please be advised, within 24-72 hours the president will evoke what is called the stafford act. just got off the phone with some of my military friends down in D.C. who just got out of a two hour briefing. the president will order a two week mandatory quarantine for the nation."

they are shutting bars and restaurants down in California tomorrow from everything i've heard.

[pyrangello]

Just got an update from our friend in Italy, 368 passed away just today . .........................

[Sarah Rainsong]

a friend of mine just sent me this from a friend of hers...

"please be advised, within 24-72 hours the president will evoke what is called the stafford act. just got off the phone with some of my military friends down in D.C. who just got out of a two hour briefing. the president will order a two week mandatory quarantine for the nation."

they are shutting bars and restaurants down in California tomorrow from everything i've heard.

Interesting. This is the second place I've heard this tonight.

[sllim11]

@rainsong yeah, two other friends told me they heard same type of thing....

[Franny]

On the Jimmy Dore show: the politics and economics of CV.

We learn what some really think :facepalm:

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[mgray]

Sunday night stock market conditions and news on Covid-19 and my take (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/03/15/sunday-night-market-and-news-on-covid-19/)

[Caliban]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.

What if at some point we say "enough's enough" and gather in our town squares? Make some noise, "we don't agree, etc." What'll they do? What if they count 26 people? Will it be local police? National Guard? A warning? Shots fired? Rounded up and taken...??

Trying to keep my head on straight. Feel like my hand is starting to wave bye bye to our 1st Amendment.

[Delight]

Below is a google translate article that is long and does have real value.

COVID-19, Pneumonia and Inflammasomes – The Link to Melatonin (https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TAns&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolutamente.it%2Fcovid-19-polmonite-e-inflammasomi-il-collegamento-con-la-melatonina%2F)

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Here is a piece of it


Melatonin inhibits NLRP3 inflammasomes

Melatonin is well known for its chronobiotic effects, which regulate biological functions related to circadian rhythms. Numerous studies have revealed that melatonin exerts effects beyond the control of circadian oscillators. The NLRP3 inflammasome is now recognized as a target of melatonin!

The fact that the effects of the pro-inflammatory cytokine storm are induced by the activation of NLRP3 inflammasome, the ability of THEHP3 INHIBIT inflammasoma melatonin elevates this powerful molecule into a truly unique position in the fight against COVID-19. This also means that if a patient, regardless of age, has adequate melatonin, coVID-19 contagion will be greatly reduced and the chances of developing ARDS/ALI will decrease significantly.

Melatonin is why children under the age of 9 rarely experience severe symptoms. In fact, children may have mild or even absent symptoms, even if they have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 [73]. How significant is the difference in melatonin production between children, adults and the elderly?

For most people, the peak melatonin production is between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. The maximum melatonin levels measured in healthy adults aged 65 to 70 years appeared to be about 49.3 picograms/ml (pg/ml). Adults over the age of 75 have only maximum production levels of 27.8 pg/ml [74].

Young children, on the other hand, have extremely high levels of melatonin, compared to adults. The highest levels recorded for children showed a decline as they got older. Children aged 1 to 5 years had a melatonin peak at 325 pg/ml, while those aged 5 to 11 years had already dropped to 133 pg/ml [76].

Compared to healthy seniors, a child can easily have TEN TIMES the amount of peak melatonin levels. But even in this case, the current physiological concentration is extremely low. How much exactly does a picogram cost?

To give you a perspective, most melatonin supplements are about 3-5 mg per capsule or tablet. One milligram equals 1,000,000,000 picograms. That is why the physiological dosage generally recommended for melatonin supplementation is about 0.3 milligrams [75].

The fact that young children have such high melatonin levels explains why they show very mild symptoms after COVID-19 infections.

Melatonin is a powerful inhibitor of NLRP3 inflammasomes.

Generally referred to as the "dark hormone," melatonin's ability to regulate both pro and anti-inflammatory cytokines under different pathophysiological conditions has been extensively studied in recent years.

Control of cytokine storms is one of the biggest challenges in the treatment of sepsis. The NLRP3 inflammasome has an interesting nickname of "Pandora's Vase for Sepsis. Yet nature offers all the solutions to difficult health challenges.

NLRP3 inflammasomes are a direct target of melatonin. Animal models of sepsis showed melatonin's ability to maintain mitochondrial homeostasis, reduce reactive oxygen species and reduce the production of pro-inflammation cytokines. Melatonin has been shown to inhibit NLRP3 inflammasomes in mice with septic myocardial conditions, turning severe myocardial inflammation into milder symptoms, preventing heart failure and significantly improving heart failure rates survival of septic mice [77, 78].

An excellent study by Volt et al (2016) showed that low chronic doses of melatonin in older mice could prevent an increase in inflammation, ROS and mitochondria alterations that reflect inflammation [79, 80]. Volt et al. it also showed that acute melatonin administration could counteract severe inflammatory responses [81].

It is therefore not surprising to find that melatonin is able to prevent ARDS/ALI by suppressing NLRP3 inflammasomes.

In models of acute lung damage from rodent (ALI), it was found that melatonin greatly reduces lung damage, and also the infiltration of macrophages and neutrophils into the lungs.

Melatonin protected mice from acute lung injury by inhibiting the activation of NLRP3 inflammasome by suppressing extracellular release of histones and blocking the activation of the histone-induced INflammasoma NLRP3 .

In rodent models of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), the combined treatment of melatonin and mitochondria significantly attenuated the progression of ARDDS [85].

[apokalypse]

Medical Martial Law:
xW2oHhN3heo
FROM 2009: Top scientists are saying that the current swine flu outbreak came from a vaccine lab, but you won’t hear that in the controlled corporate media. Nor will you hear about Bilderberg plans to use the pandemic hysteria to flex the muscles of their nascent global government. But you will hear all about it in this week’s episode of The Corbett Report.

i haven't watch or read into Medical Martial Law but heard from a mate talked about this Medical Martial law gonna happen weeks ago...i saw various post about medical martial blow my mind

[Agape]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.

What if at some point we say "enough's enough" and gather in our town squares? Make some noise, "we don't agree, etc." What'll they do? What if they count 26 people? Will it be local police? National Guard? A warning? Shots fired? Rounded up and taken...??

Trying to keep my head on straight. Feel like my hand is starting to wave bye bye to our 1st Amendment.



Sorry if I flip the cup ( of your question) upside down. I see in many corners of the world a willingness and need to overcome the “herd mentality”.
We have won our privacy for now. For all that matters.

What if we were forced to gather instead ? Herded like sheep and ordered to some kind of medical camp. Would you prefer that .

Currently and from practical observation of what’s going on and what’s been always going on I can foresee small but not insignificant danger from rogue individuals some of whom may have been infected by one or another virus, increasing their weird-o-ness acting out of order because the “end of the world” is at hand,
in some brains and minds anyway.

There will be couple of rogue religious fanatics and some with shot guns acting out their virus if it ever gets them because these undisclosed psychos fear medical care the most.

There won’t be “more of them” but some will come out of their dens once they can smell the fresh air of freedom


If that happens even once the gov will panic and evoke military law.

Let’s hope that none of it will happen. No acting out, no dramas, no military.


Good day to all 🙏😷

[Iloveyou]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.


Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

[Bill Ryan]

An update from Ecuador.

"Ecuador’s President Lenín Moreno announced in a televised address on Sunday that all movement of people and vehicles would be restricted from 6am on Tuesday, 17 March. Exceptions would be made to buy food, visit hospitals, commute to and from work, or to care for the sick or elderly."
That's in addition to the closure of all borders (land, sea and air) to everyone, even citizens returning to the country, on Monday midnight.

Island Ecuador: and it's absolutely the right thing. Almost all other countries will soon be doing the same, and Ecuador, with only a couple dozen cases, is ahead of the curve.

Island me, too. :) But I'm 100% totally fine here. :muscle:

[norman]

Although I'm sure this Dark Journalist video will be posted elsewhere on the forum, I think it belongs here too.

He takes a keen look at the stats and questions the naratives from a few angles. He also sets the whole thing into the bigger historic record.

Deep State Propaganda Wars: X-Factor Elite Emergency Global Lockdown

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Special LiveStream with QA Friday March 15th 8PM EST

[Bill Ryan]

An excellent article from Politico about the failure of leadership. (Right on. :thumbsup: It's critical of Trump, of course, but rightly so. He's not the only national leader who's been very slow, and/or in public denial of reality.)


https://politico.com/news/2020/03/16/coronavirus-pandemic-leadership-131540

The incompetence pandemic
16 March, 2020

The first victim of the coronavirus? Leadership.

Welcome to politics’ darkest hour.

If the coronavirus outbreak has taught us anything beyond the necessity of careful hygiene, it’s that the first victim of a pandemic is leadership.

At no time in the past 75 years has the world been in more need of a “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself (http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/)” moment; and at no time have global leaders so utterly failed to deliver.

From Beijing to Brussels, from Rome to Washington, London and beyond, politicians haven’t just failed to rise to the occasion, they’ve engaged in a dangerous game of parsing, obfuscation and reality-denial that has cost lives and delayed a resolute response.

Even though virologists have been warning for weeks that the outbreak could explode, political leaders, particularly in the West, did little to halt its advance.

Like the virus itself, which scientists have traced to the Chinese city of Wuhan (and leaders there denied and downplayed for weeks), the prevailing political strategy for confronting the crisis was Made in China.

Few may have expected inspired leadership from U.S. President Donald Trump, who dismissed (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html) the coronavirus as a Democratic “hoax” and just days ago predicted (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirus) it would disappear “like a miracle.” Even so, his fumbling (https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2020/03/12/trumps-confounding-america-first-coronavirus-address-786035) of a national address (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/11/watch_live_trump_addresses_the_nation_on_coronavirus_from_oval_office.html) on the emergency, followed by his trademark blame-shifting for his government’s lack of preparedness (“I don’t take responsibility at all”), will be remembered as a low point in American political leadership.

Solidarity with allies? Think again. Trump followed up his ban on Europeans traveling to the U.S. (a decision he announced without even making a courtesy phone call to EU leaders beforehand) with an attempt (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-stop-u-s-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV) to reportedly buy a vaccine-maker out from under the Germans’ noses, aiming to guarantee Americans are first in line for the corona shot the firm is developing.

The irony is that the Trump administration previously opted not to use the German-developed coronavirus test endorsed by the World Health Organization, choosing instead to develop its own version, which has proved unreliable. The decision has created massive delays in testing in the U.S., allowing the “foreign virus,” as Trump calls it, to spread unabated. South Korea tests more people per day than the U.S. has in total in the weeks since the outbreak began. The fiasco didn’t stop Trump from falsely claiming last week that “testing has been going very smooth.”

While Trump gets the most attention for his corona bungling, he’s hardly alone. Brazilian strongman Jair Bolsonaro, who met the American president last week in Florida, characterized the coronavirus panic as a media-fueled “fantasy.” A day later, his press secretary tested positive.

[leavesoftrees]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.





From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)


What is happening in Russia. There seems to be very few cases

[Bill Ryan]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.



From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)
What is happening in Russia? There seems to be very few cases

Yes, very few. It's not 100% impossible that their stats are correct. (Source: https://worldometers.info/coronavirus)

http://projectavalon.net/Russia_Covid-19_cases_16_March_2020.gif

[Philippe]

What is happening in Russia. There seems to be very few cases

Wondering this morning about Russia I found this:


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-16-a69117

The article contains the latest updates on Russia’s response to the coronavirus

[Akasha]

On a lighter note, but supporting the age old adage, "many a true word is spoken in jest" (with strong language):


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[mountain_jim]

While Trump has created plenty of reasons to criticize his leadership in this area, this Politico statement from your article above:



Donald Trump, who dismissed the coronavirus as a Democratic “hoax”


is clearly a Democratic talking point that even Snopes documents as inaccurate.

Best not to rely on Politico for factual reporting these days.

To me this is another example of MSM 'fake news' that continues to be amplified.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/



What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

[TomKat]

It's probably wise to bare in mind that the virus may be a bioweapons program using the argument I just used as justification for the outbreak. It's possible but it could be exactly what it appears to be.

The Walking Dude has been spotted headed for Las Vegas :-) (Stephen King's "The Stand")

[Pam]

Best open your eyes and get out of the way! Boris Johnson might not agree with you Bill as the UK has taken a different path. A very interesting article in the Guardian explores the UK´s response.

I had assumed that the UK would do the same, that the authorities would be building their resources and plans around nationwide testing, contact tracing, quarantine and a progressive policy of social distancing. I assumed they would inform the public they had a two- to three-month “contain and delay” strategy to get the epidemic under control, and mobilise communities everywhere to provide local support. But from the press conferences last week, the government is not following the WHO strategy. They appear to have concluded that it is inevitable most people would get the disease, so we should let the epidemic proceed to allow 60% of the population to become infected and build herd immunity through the wild virus. What is the scientific justification for this departure from WHO policy? I have questions:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/uk-covid-19-strategy-questions-unanswered-coronavirus-outbreak

I find it very interesting that the US is making an exception to allow the UK citizens to enter the US. The 2 countries that seem to have taken a less than systematic approach to this are still co-mingling. In the US it seems that if there is any efficiency it is being done at the state or county level..and that is a day late and a dollar short. If we all waited for the CDC I doubt much would happen, but I'm pretty sure that 50 billion dollars allocated for this will be up in smoke.

[Sérénité]

Here where I am in the NW U.K., this area holds 500,000 people and we have 4 confirmed cases. This time last week we had 4 confirmed cases.
I was expecting this number to have at least doubled by now, assuming those 4 had infected even just one person each. Life is going on as normal here. Everything is still open. Sport is off but the majority of concerts, events, large scale club nights etc still continue. Yet no increase in numbers in the last week.

So either the true numbers aren’t being reported, or something is amiss.

My parents are currently stranded in southern Spain. Their flight back to Manchester from Malaga was cancelled and they are trying to get a flight from Gibraltar as currently that’s still open.

There is a complete lockdown in the Malaga/Andalucía region. Everything but supermarkets and pharmacies are closed. Everyone must take their passports with them when they go outside and you’re only allowed out to buy food, medicines or seek medical assistance. Only one person per car and if stopped on more than 3 occasions they are apparently implementing arrests for repeat ‘offenders’ not adhering to the regulations. Meanwhile there is no cases confirmed in this region.

Why is this ‘virus’ spreading like wildfire in some areas with a high rate of mortality (Italy, Iran) yet the likes of where I am no new cases in a week and we all go about life as normal. Eating out, socialising in large numbers etc.
Why are regions like where my parents are on lockdown with no cases, even if they lockdown for a month, when people come back out again it will surely start again?

Maybe I’m naive but this just isn’t adding up to me.

I’ve done some prepping to be on the safe side but life continues as normal. I get the feeling in the U.K. we may get Easter holidays extended from 2 weeks to 4 weeks.

I can’t help think this is just a very well planned out exercise in medical martial law to crash the financial system in Europe and China.

Meanwhile there is 20,000 US soldiers fully tooled up heading to join the already 10,000 on the ground in Europe for some war games...maybe that’s where all the masks, hand sanitizers and toilet rolls have gone too ;)

[norman]

Lockdown, lockdown, lockdown.

Run a few imaginary lockdown scenarios through your mind.

List them on a piece of paper.

Scrub out the one about a virus.

Read back through the remaining list.

Which one of those jumps out you the most.


That's probably what's really happening.

[Baby Steps]

Is there anybody here linked to small businesses in Italy or Spain? Can you detail the effects of the lock down - are they closing permanently or trying to weather the storm?

[Caliban]

Denmark new laws passed:

"As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus."

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

Only 95 out of 179 Danish MPs were present to vote on the emergency law.

True colors coming out from many quarters. Denmark, you're breaking my heart....

[DeDukshyn]

Update from Alberta Canada ... All schools, day-homes and day-cares are to shut down effective immediately. The schools will probably be closed for he rest of the year, those in Grade 12 will graduate anyway. This is going to have a big impact on the economy, as many people won't be able to work, due to this.

I'm putting together a pandemic plan for work - setting VPNs and such up so people can work from home ... I'm sure that announcement is also coming soon ...

We might be over panicking a little but the infected rate jumped from 4 to 56 in about a week, and I think that tipped it.

https://www.alberta.ca/coronavirus-info-for-albertans.aspx

[Sérénité]

@Baby Steps my parents are in the Malaga/Andalucía region. The lockdown came unexpectedly at the end of last week. The next morning the panic buying began and their local supermarket required police to attend to deal with traffic control and chaotic scenes.
They have been advised everything will be closed for at least two weeks at which point it will be reviewed. The general consensus is that local business owners have no idea if this is going to be lifted in the next two weeks or will it continue longer. There isn’t an epicentre of cases where they are so they are unsure what the terms of the review will entail? The ones my parents speak to are hoping to ride it out and reopen ASAP. Whenever that is.

The police are doing stop checks on cars, requesting only one person goes out for supplies. No gatherings of more than 5 people allowed residentially and they have now deployed drones for surveillance of beach and public areas and bars restaurants for compliance of the sanctions.

[Pam]

A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.





From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)


What is happening in Russia. There seems to be very few cases

Putin may have been the only leader to take immediate decisive action.

[Kano]

Hi all, I figured the question I have is best posted here.

Does anyone remember the whistleblower or person who said that "...the world would get a cold." At first I was thinking it was Clif High but really not sure. Does this ring a bell?

In light of COVID-19, I'd like to revisit this testimony but not sure where to locate it. My cursory searches haven't yielded any results. Much appreciated!

[guayabal]

Abstract

A significant number of infectious diseases display seasonal patterns in their incidence, including human coronaviruses. We hypothesize that SARS-CoV-2 does as well. To date, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by SARS-CoV-2, has established significant community spread in cities and regions only along a narrow east west distribution roughly along the 30-50 N” corridor at consistently similar weather patterns (5-11 O C and 47-79% humidity). There has been a lack of significant community establishment in expected locations that are based only on population proximity and extensive population interaction through travel. We have proposed a simplified model that shows a zone at increased risk for COVID-19 spread. Using weather modeling, it may be possible to predict the regions most likely to be at higher risk of significant community spread of COVID-19 in the upcoming weeks, allowing for concentration of public health efforts on surveillance and containment.



The paper can be downloaded from here (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308).


Looks like if you are living in a yellow/green area then you should take special precaution:

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[Pam]

This is kind of interesting. An article about the virus putting an end to globalism. That goes against the whole deep state agenda, I would think.

Globalists May Soon Become an Extinct Species

The coronavirus’s depressing effects on the global economy and disruptions of supply chains is no doubt driving the last nail into the coffin of the globalists.

They believe in the theory first articulated by Englishman David Ricardo (1773-1823) that free trade among nations benefits all of them. He argued for the comparative advantage of free trade and industrial specialization. Even if one country is more competitive in every area than its trading partners, that nation should only concentrate on the areas in which it has the greatest competitive advantage. He used the example of English-produced wool being traded for French wine—and not the reverse.

But Ricardo’s simple trade model requires economies in static equilibrium with full employment and neither trade surpluses nor deficits, and similar living standards. These aren’t true in the real world. Also, Ricardo didn’t consider countries at different stages of economic development and different degrees of economic and political freedom, or exchange rate manipulations and competitive devaluations since gold was universal money in his day.

Ricardo also didn’t factor in trading partners with huge wage differences such as the U.S. and China. As a result, China can produce almost any manufactured good cheaper than America. The result has been the huge and chronic U.S. trade deficit with China.

Trade wars are normal as countries with insufficient domestic demand to create full employment strive to unload their problems on trading partners. They promote weak currencies to make imports more expensive for residents in order to encourage local production and to make exports cheaper for foreign buyers. Subsidies for exporting companies, now widespread in China, are another tried and true technique.

Free trade is rare. Historically, it has been largely confined to periods when a major global power promoted the free exchange of products in its own enlightened self-interest. That was true of Great Britain in the 19th century after it spearheaded the Industrial Revolution and wanted to insure the easy flow of raw materials for its factories from abroad and foreign markets for their output. After World War II, Americans used trade to rebuild Western Europe and Japan to counter the Soviets, and accepted the lack of reciprocity by some of those lands, notably Japan. This was cheaper and more acceptable in the Cold War era than garrisoning more American troops around the world and risking more military confrontations.

Consequently, there were eight global tariff-cutting rounds in the post-World War II era, from the 1947 Geneva Round to the Uruguay Round in 1986-1994. That was it. The 2001 Doha Round has gone nowhere because, by then, Washington no longer needed to support the free world. Also, U.S. trade deficits were chronic and growing, especially as globalization transferred manufacturing jobs to China and other low-cost Asian countries. U.S. factory positions collapsed from 21.7 million in 1979 to 11.5 million in 2010, with only a modest recovery after the Great Recession to 12.9 million in February of this year.

Largely as a result of these developments, real wages for most Americans have been flat for several decades, making voters mad as hell. President Donald Trump played to their plights and was elected by blaming weak incomes on imports and immigrants. Lack of real income growth also convinced voters in Europe that mainstream politicians weren’t effective. The result was Brexit and an attraction to far right and extreme left parties.

Globalization not only left the U.S. highly dependent on China for manufactured goods but also spawned efficient but vulnerable supply chains. Textiles produced in capital-intensive Chinese factories are sewn into garments in Vietnam where incomes are only 28% as high, according to the OECD. Semiconductors from South Korea go into subcomponents in Taiwan and are assembled into smart phones in China for export to the U.S.

The coronavirus’s disruption of supply chains not only unhinges U.S. imports but also raises national security concerns. China is the world’s biggest supplier of active pharmaceutical ingredients and the Indian generic drug industry, which the Food and Drug Administration says supplies 40% of U.S. generic drugs, relies on China for most of its active ingredients.

Even after the virus scare subsides, look for more pressure from Washington for more reliable sources of goods, among other protectionist measures. Domestic producers will benefit but so too will those in Mexico. The results will be lower global efficiency and slower economic growth.

And don’t believe the protectionists’ siren songs that American jobs and incomes will benefit. As in the 1930s, the economy-depressing effects of trade barriers will dominate.

A. Gary Shilling

[Delight]

I think Dr. Shiva is brilliant but I also think his biggest flaw is a defensive arrogance at times.

-HE-F7sFrig

[Dick]

qgylp3Td1Bw

Another live update channel.
Netherlands have closed all the cafes and restaurants, sportclubs en all activities where are more than 100 people are together is forbidden. Everyone who can work at home should do so. All schools also closed, all of this till the end of march.
Till now, all shops are opened.
Tonight a press conference from the prime minister.

[Pam]

This is interesting on a couple of levels. The government taking over food distribution?? I am quite sure there are folks that have done absolutely no preparation for this. I have no idea how desperate this will get. I am just hoping that this is fear porn.



De Blasio: We’re ‘Close to’ Needing Government to Ensure Food Supply Is ‘Equitably Distributed’



On Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) called for the nationalization of certain parts of the supply chain, and stated that “we’re getting close to a reality where the government has to ensure that the food supply, that it is not only available, but that it’s equitably distributed.”

De Blasio said, “We’re going to need the supply chain nationalized in some form. Right now, there’s no effort to make sure that ventilators, surgical masks, even down to hand sanitizer, all these products should be put on a 24/7 production cycle. Whatever factories anywhere can make them should be cranking them out. They should be distributed according to federal priority, as you would in a war.”

He later stated, “We’re providing meals all week at the schools, pick-up meals, breakfast and lunch. We’re going to have to create feeding stations of some kind going forward, of different types. We’re doing home deliveries for seniors. We’re closing down senior center programming, but we’re doing — using senior centers as kitchens in effect, dispensaries to get meals out to seniors at their home. There’s a lot of pieces we’re going to have to alter. And look, the Great Depression and the New Deal are very instructive here. I don’t — I’m not saying bread lines, but let’s be clear, we’re getting close to a reality where the government has to ensure that the food supply, that it is not only available, but that it’s equitably distributed. We’re going to have to get into a heavy intervention in people’s economic lives. Because a whole lot of people are losing their livelihood by the hour, and they need a continuity of economic support, or their families are going to start to collapse in other ways.”

Follow Ian Hanchett on Twitter @IanHanchett

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/16/de-blasio-were-close-to-needing-government-to-ensure-food-supply-is-equitably-distributed/

[onevoice]

Hi all, I figured the question I have is best posted here.

Does anyone remember the whistleblower or person who said that "...the world would get a cold." At first I was thinking it was Clif High but really not sure. Does this ring a bell?

In light of COVID-19, I'd like to revisit this testimony but not sure where to locate it. My cursory searches haven't yielded any results. Much appreciated!
This was mentioned by an unnamed witness that Bill Ryan interviewed on 16 February 2010 for the interview titled "The Anglo-Saxon Mission: Bill Ryan's Presentation". The transcript of the interview is here (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_en.html).

Here is an excerpt from that transcript:


Now, during the time of the ceasefire, everyone’s shocked, everyone’s frightened, everyone’s really terrified about where this is going to go. There are all kinds of heavy controls over populations everywhere.

And then the next thing that happens in this chess game that’s being played is that biological weapons are released on China. He heard this being discussed in this meeting.

They will release a flu-like virus that will be genetically targeted against the Chinese population. It’s racially targeted against the Chinese people. It’s designed to spread like wildfire and to knock out a large number of the Chinese people. And these people in this meeting were LAUGHING about this.

They said: China will catch a cold. Those were their words: China will catch a cold. And they were laughing about the fact that these biological weapons will wreak havoc among the Chinese population.

After that, then what effectively will be a kind of plague will actually spread right across the world to the West as well. Our source was not clear whether this was a Chinese retaliation, or whether the thing would just spread out of control in the way that it would be very understandable if it did, whether it’s racially targeted or not. These things actually mutate.

[Dick]

:noidea::noidea:Perfect timing:

https://www.eur.army.mil/DefenderEurope/

Great military exercise in more than 25 years in europe.

[Satori]

Hi all, I figured the question I have is best posted here.

Does anyone remember the whistleblower or person who said that "...the world would get a cold." At first I was thinking it was Clif High but really not sure. Does this ring a bell?

In light of COVID-19, I'd like to revisit this testimony but not sure where to locate it. My cursory searches haven't yielded any results. Much appreciated!
This was mentioned by an unnamed witness that Bill Ryan interviewed on 16 February 2010 for the interview titled "The Anglo-Saxon Mission: Bill Ryan's Presentation". The transcript of the interview is here (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_en.html).

Here is an excerpt from that transcript:


Now, during the time of the ceasefire, everyone’s shocked, everyone’s frightened, everyone’s really terrified about where this is going to go. There are all kinds of heavy controls over populations everywhere.

And then the next thing that happens in this chess game that’s being played is that biological weapons are released on China. He heard this being discussed in this meeting.

They will release a flu-like virus that will be genetically targeted against the Chinese population. It’s racially targeted against the Chinese people. It’s designed to spread like wildfire and to knock out a large number of the Chinese people. And these people in this meeting were LAUGHING about this.

They said: China will catch a cold. Those were their words: China will catch a cold. And they were laughing about the fact that these biological weapons will wreak havoc among the Chinese population.

After that, then what effectively will be a kind of plague will actually spread right across the world to the West as well. Our source was not clear whether this was a Chinese retaliation, or whether the thing would just spread out of control in the way that it would be very understandable if it did, whether it’s racially targeted or not. These things actually mutate.


I'm no good a graphics or making a picture or drawing and posting it here, but I keep having an image of the Big Blue Ball we live on viewed from space with the words "CLOSED FOR THE FLU" across the picture of Earth.

[Satori]

:noidea::noidea:Perfect timing:

https://www.eur.army.mil/DefenderEurope/

Great military exercise in more than 25 years in europe.

Check out the language used to begin the third paragraph "U.S. service men will then spread out across the region..." (I did that from memory, but I think it's correct.)

If there really is a pandemic, then what else will they be spreading (and picking up)? And not only in that region, what about when they come home?

[rgray222]

Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus again

Officials in western Japan's Mie Prefecture say a man who was a passenger on a cruise ship that was hit by the coronavirus has again tested positive after recovering from infection.

The man, who is in his 70s, first tested positive for the virus on February 14 while he was onboard the Diamond Princess, which was under quarantine off Yokohama.

He left a medical facility in Tokyo on March 2 after he was confirmed negative. He returned to his home in Mie by public transportation.

But he started to feel sick and developed a fever of 39 degrees Celsius on Thursday. He went to hospital on Friday, and on Saturday was confirmed to be infected again.

He is now receiving treatment at a hospital in the prefecture.

Prefectural officials plan to trace his recent activities and carry out checks of people who have had close contact with him.

Source: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/?fbclid=IwAR1KBuTeIC_rcuK3qOyEWuCX4VXxOTMFxKGQbCbzGXijX32DTCqJFJFxnY8 (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/?fbclid=IwAR1KBuTeIC_rcuK3qOyEWuCX4VXxOTMFxKGQbCbzGXijX32DTCqJFJFxnY8)

[Pam]

This might be helpful. From the Mercola site.



Quercetin and Vitamin D — Allies Against Coronavirus?



Story at-a-glance

- As the outbreak of COVID-19 continues to spread around the world, more than 80 clinical trials are underway testing remedies ranging from intravenous vitamin C and stem cells to HIV drugs and malaria medication

- A derivative of quercetin has been shown to provide broad-spectrum protection against a wide range of viruses, including SARS. Canadian and Chinese researchers are now collaborating on a study to assess the effectiveness of quercetin against COVID-19 infection

- Quercetin is a powerful immune booster and broad-spectrum antiviral. It also inhibits the release of pro-inflammatory cytokines, which may be beneficial since serious COVID-19 infection and subsequent death appears to be due to cytokine storm activity

- While there are no clinical trials investigating vitamin D for coronavirus specifically, there are plenty of data showing it’s an important component in the prevention and treatment of influenza and upper respiratory tract infections

-Other nutraceuticals thought to be useful in the prevention of coronavirus infection include NAC, spirulina, beta-glucan, glucosamine, selenium, zinc, lipoic acid and sulforaphane



The full article here:


https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/16/quercetin-vitamin-d-coronavirus-prevention.aspx

[Bill Ryan]

There's a very interesting discussion happening right now on Infowars.com (http://Infowars.com). Alex Jones has announced he'd going to file suit personally against Donald Trump if Trump closes down US interstate travel. He has a whole game plan to freeze or delay that action, supported by constitutional lawyer Norm Pattis — if Trump announces it.

Meanwhile, Mike Adams disagrees, citing the certain collapse of the healthcare system unless Trump takes that kind of decisive action. Alex Jones — who doesn't fully understand the math, and is still asking Mike Adams if this is really more dangerous than the regular flu — insists this is a matter of principle and that that kind of draconian action needs to be opposed.

They're both awaiting Trump's afternoon press conference, which is imminent, to see if he does announce this — which Alex Jones stated yesterday he'd been tipped off by two high level independent sources is going to happen "this week".

[Sue (Ayt)]

Denninger interesting as usual
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[Satori]

There's a very interesting discussion happening right now on Infowars.com (http://Infowars.com). Alex Jones has announced he'd going to file suit personally against Donald Trump if Trump closes down US interstate travel. He has a whole game plan to freeze or delay that action, supported by constitutional lawyer Norm Pattis — if Trump announces it.

Meanwhile, Mike Adams disagrees, citing the certain collapse of the healthcare system unless Trump takes that kind of decisive action. Alex Jones — who doesn't fully understand the math, and is still asking Mike Adams if this is really more dangerous than the regular flu — insists this is a matter of principle and that that kind of draconian action needs to be opposed.

They're both awaiting Trump's afternoon press conference, which is imminent, to see if he does announce this — which Alex Jones stated yesterday he'd been tipped off by two high level independent sources is going to happen "this week".

A big part of me is with AJ on this.

I am of the mind that COVID19 is a cover for something much bigger. What, I can only speculate on because I, like you, do not have the facts. But I believe a major component has do do with an economic reset and social planning, not that we are really in any great danger from a flu. (Although we may be in great danger if it is not the flu, but a bio weapon.)

Not all of the theories about what is going down and what the COVID story is covering for can be correct, but they can all be wrong. Time will tell what is really going down, but few will see it for what it really is and those few will not be believed by most people.

The world as we know it has changed, again.

[norman]

They're both awaiting Trump's afternoon press conference, which is imminent, to see if he does announce this — which Alex Jones stated yesterday he'd been tipped off by two high level independent sources is going to happen "this week".



I think a LOT is going to happen this week.

That military operation across Europe ( read Switzerland, Italy, mainly ) is capturing my attention more than Alex and Mike falling apart in the heat of the moment.

This is a bioweapon. That's just about nailed and certain. It has a twin, the life guard for those who are using it, to preserve their own lives. The twin, or the people who can be waterboarded to hand it over, is probably somewhere in Switzerland or Italy.

By the end of this week, we could be looking at a very different scenario.

[betoobig]

Spain under martial law. Military and police around the streets...
Agree with you Norman, my focus is there too.
Much love to all

[Caliban]

Here's a German pulmonologist challenging some basic assumptions about the virus, and ambiguities on testing, determination of acutal cases and the scientists that have a very personal stake in being seen, heard and FUNDED in relation to what's been unfolding.

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[Delight]

There is always some way around....

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[Kamikaze]

As everyone is in lockdown and aren't allowed to gather they prevent protests and rebellions because of the economic collapse that's been planned and being currently executed. Those who dissent for whatever reason will be isolated. You aren't allowed to assemble nor protest. Regulation and laws will be implemented against you and your freedoms. Tyranny rising.

This virus is the perfect excuse.

[Delight]

If you develop a fever, strongly resist taking antipyretics. In studies, anti-inflammatory drugs can aggravate pneumonia reaction....

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As everyone is in lockdown and aren't allowed to gather they prevent protests and rebellions because of the economic collapse that's been planned and being currently executed. Those who dissent for whatever reason will be isolated. You aren't allowed to assemble nor protest. Regulation and laws will be implemented against you and your freedoms. Tyranny rising.

This virus is the perfect excuse.

Can they ban us from PA?

[ExomatrixTV]

How to script a global pandemic and execute it while rolling out 5G:
-727K585amo
Using video of their Event 201 Pandemic strategy session, Amazing Polly (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJkOZZrGNEJYDhzVwd24Bfg) shows you how Global Organizations planned to dominate the messaging in the event of a global outbreak. We are living through that strategy right now.


Banks Get $1.5 Trillion Bailout Over Coronavirus:
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[Bill Ryan]

Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power

Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

[bobme]

From here,what is going on is very suppressive. The powers that be, are now saying what buisness are to manditorilly must be shut down. What effects will this result in?

When A large group of people are under diress, they must survive the only way they are capable. restaurant forced to close for one. Lets look at that for an example. Many of those people do not know how to survive without income. What will there response be, to telling them they cannot work anymore? They do not make enough money to go to the store and buy what they need to survive for a few weeks, or months.

Will they just roll over and watch Their familys die? I know not.

The powers that be do not understand the lion, so to speak, they released.

I know that there will be more casuatis from that alone, than there are from the actual virus, If just letting it take its course.

[alexius]

They talk about how viruses are simply excretion of a toxic cell, viruses are pieces of dna/rna with a few other proteins that break from the cell, viruses are not the cause of anything.


Of course, this coronavirus is almost nothing compared to Smallpox or Ebola. But it's still a virus, and all viruses work in basically the same way.

Thanks Bill, i get it. Though there was so much more in the video about electrification of the planet and how that has impacted us several times in the past. Was hoping for some thoughts on that also. Much love <3 :bearhug:

[greybeard]

If the media had just promoted this as a just a new flue then there would not have been the panic we now see.
The closing of facilities.
I have not read all the reports but as an overview it seems that the great majority recover without after affects within a similar period that would be expected from the usual seasonal flue.
I have compassion for the loss experienced by families when a loved one dies.
However through the Draconian measures being put in place-- businesses will go to the wall as bobme has pointed out people can not survive without an income.
So all these measures in place to try to control an illness that really does not last that long it comes it goes---but the after effects of the measures being taken worldwide will have long reaching effects.
People including myself are so conditioned to react -- the mass buying of toilet rolls a case in point -- madness.
Isolating people will lead to depression and suicide in some of the elderly who are dependent on contact with others -- be it a paid helper or over 70s clubs.

This is not good and frankly has not that much to do with saving life by avoiding contact-- the virus will infect people regardless then move on.
People do recover from this and regain their normal health.
Im not saying dont take precautions and minimise the effects of this virus ---but it will pass.
Love Chris

[ExomatrixTV]

White House Coronavirus News Conference
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[scotslad]

Hope ok to post here ...

** BREAKING NEWS IN UK *** Just been informed -

I have a daughter studying to be a nurse here in scotland. student nurses in the uk who graduate in June are being fast tracked NOW and being prepared to be enrolled as Blue uniform nurses asap with immediate effect.
My wife is studying to be a teacher and now doesnt have to complete a 5 week placement in her course in 5 weeks time, so has 10 weeks dropped from her 37 week course to be a teacher and they just instructed her to send in an essay to become a qualified teacher!!!

[David Trd1]

Denmark new laws passed:

"As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus."

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

Only 95 out of 179 Danish MPs were present to vote on the emergency law.

True colors coming out from many quarters. Denmark, you're breaking my heart....

Bingo.....

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Is it possible that this is the softening blow, before the knockout punch?

I suspected China might blame the US in order to unleash a(nother) bioweapon of it’s own. Or conversely, the virus is just the precursor to something even more disruptive. People are being put in a state of fear and confusion, which is exactly where you want them to be before a more direct assault.. thanks again for all the great info posted here.

[David Trd1]

Is it possible that this is the softening blow, before the knockout punch?

I suspected China might blame the US in order to unleash a(nother) bioweapon of it’s own. Or conversely, the virus is just the precursor to something even more disruptive. People are being put in a state of fear and confusion, which is exactly where you want them to be before a more direct assault.. thanks again for all the great info posted here.

I’m in the realm of pure speculation here, but if you wanted to totally control the narrative around , say, a blue beam type event. Getting people in this state and at home stuck to the google box like it’s a 1970’s weeknight it would be one of the few ways to do this worldwide in the modern era. Food for thought.

[Caliban]

"The epidemic is a label applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES. The label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds. It works."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for yesterday, now 22 hours ago. (Today's will be in another 2-3 hours.) He presents an ingenious dynamic video model that he explains shows exactly why lockdown is necessary — in every affected country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efaDuE-XEi4

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus Fuels Dystopian Order Out Of Chaos (https://www.infowars.com/coronavirus-fuels-dystopian-order-out-of-chaos/)

The world is panicking as the virus spreads

The race towards a dystopian future is underway as the overwhelming response to the coronavirus paves the way.

As the Coronavirus panic pushes on full steam ahead, witness the trampling of the Bill Of Rights on a level never seen before.

The engineers of globalist totalitarianism never waste a crisis and the mutation of order out of this current chaos is just beginning.

[norman]

From here,what is going on is very suppressive. The powers that be, are now saying what buisness are to manditorilly must be shut down. What effects will this result in?

When A large group of people are under diress, they must survive the only way they are capable. restaurant forced to close for one. Lets look at that for an example. Many of those people do not know how to survive without income. What will there response be, to telling them they cannot work anymore? They do not make enough money to go to the store and buy what they need to survive for a few weeks, or months.

Will they just roll over and watch Their familys die? I know not.

The powers that be do not understand the lion, so to speak, they released.

I know that there will be more casuatis from that alone, than there are from the actual virus, If just letting it take its course.

I don't believe Trump or most of the national leaders around the world are that stupid.

There HAS to be something else going on here, and there HAS to be a quick reveal, publicly, of what it is.

[ExomatrixTV]

I posted this today: ⚠️ All new Stop5G Fb Group posts that are ONLY about the Corona Virus will NOT be approved ... use comments for that.

MSM Pushed Hysteria, Orchestrated Mass Panic, Agenda to take away our Freedoms, Forced (Mandatory) Vaccination Looming, Medical Martial Law using UN & W.H.O. "Rules" was all planned decade(s) ago!

The so called "governmental solutions" (pushed by unelected UN & WHO see: youtu.be/-727K585amo (http://youtu.be/-727K585amo) ) are FAR WORSE than the deaths of weak people happening for 1000s of years due to common viruses! ... But last 20 years we see an huge increase in chronic use of Erratic Pulsed Microwaves everywhere attacking & weakening our natural immune-system, altered metabolism & changing our blood.

Soon mass censorship will be so extreme to the point that anything Corona Virus will be used against us!

When many die due to OTHER causes you are not allowed to discuss that as it does not fit in their new Orwellian Mass Surveillance #Agenda2030 See: tinyurl.com/Mass-5G-Biometric-Surveillance
(http://tinyurl.com/Mass-5G-Biometric-Surveillance)
cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

[bobme]

tried to write more, on the response I wrote, but was unable to. My commputer wpuld not respond and allow it. Go figure.
Now I cannot write or control it to the manner which I choose to.{the next sentance was my first}/Got it back.

My concern is
not for me. But for those who do not have the means to cope. Ido not blame them for not having the knowing of Doing the things that are needed at this time.

I am no better for Knowing what I know, Than they are for not. The whole of what is believed is tought to them. And cannot be judged.

Is this a manufactured virus? I do not know for sure. Is it being taken advantage of? absolutly it is.

Weather it is or isnt real does not matter in the course of actions being taken at this time. There is no valid reason to take anyones rights from them.

I do not understand the vallidity of that reasoning. Thank you all. respect also/

[Bill Ryan]

"The epidemic is a label applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES. The label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds. It works."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/Maybe Jon Rappoport should take a flight to Northern Italy (if he could!) and hang out in some of the hospitals there, talking to the healthcare workers.

Some previously totally healthy doctors have died (just as they did in China). He might have trouble explaining that as psychosomatic.

[Michi]

Hamburg City has issued this evening the following directive:
(Excerpt translated with Google)

Further measures against the corona virus in Hamburg

March 16, 2020 8:30 pm

The Federal Government and the heads of government of the federal states today agreed on uniform guidelines to further limit social contacts in public life.

Hamburg has already implemented most of these regulations with the orders of the Senate on March 13 and 15, 2020. These measures are already in place. In addition, the Senate made the following further orders on Monday, March 16, 2020 :

The retail trade is closed except for the following areas: groceries, weekly markets, pick-up and delivery services, beverage stores, pharmacies, medical supply stores, drugstores, petrol stations, banks and savings banks, post offices, hairdressers, dry cleaners, laundromats, newspaper sales, construction, horticultural and pet stores and wholesale. The Sunday sales ban has been lifted for these areas until further notice.

Service providers and craftspeople can continue to work. Restaurants and pubs can only be opened from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. The existing requirements continue to apply unchanged (1.5 meter distance rule). Accommodation offers are only allowed for necessary and not for tourist purposes. Meetings in churches, mosques, synagogues and the gatherings of other religious communities are prohibited. The use of children's playgrounds is also prohibited.

https://www.hamburg.de/coronavirus/pressemeldungen/13725970/2020-03-16-sk-allgemeinverfuegung-vom-16-maerz-2020/

[Caliban]

"The epidemic is a label applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES. The label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds. It works."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/Maybe Jon Rappoport should take a flight to Northern Italy (if he could!) and hang out in some of the hospitals there, talking to the healthcare workers.

Some previously totally healthy doctors have died (just as they did in China). He might have trouble explaining that as psychosomatic.

Bill, are you actually reading the articles Jon is posting or just going off of these little quotes? He's not saying the Covid is a hoax. He's saying there's a lot of obfuscation around what's happening and a drive to cordon every case into the Corona box. I think he's offering some very valuable information, not that he knows exactly what's happening.

Edit to add this from J.R.:

"Add to all this, as I’ve pointed out numerous times, the tests for diagnosing COV are useless and deceptive—and you have a clusterf**k."

We shouldn't lose sight of this reality about the testing.

[Bill Ryan]

"The epidemic is a label applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES. The label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds. It works."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/Maybe Jon Rappoport should take a flight to Northern Italy (if he could!) and hang out in some of the hospitals there, talking to the healthcare workers.

Some previously totally healthy doctors have died (just as they did in China). He might have trouble explaining that as psychosomatic.

Bill, are you actually reading the articles Jon is posting or just going off of these little quotes? He's not saying the Covid is a hoax. He's saying there's a lot of obfuscation around what's happening and a drive to cordon every case into the Corona box. I think he's offering some very valuable information, not that he knows exactly what's happening.Sure. Jon thinks that many other ailments (or combinations of them) are being mislabeled (or somehow mistested) as Covid-19, swelling the reported numbers.

I'd strongly suggest the reverse is happening. Many Covid-19 cases are being written off as viral pneumonia, or even regular flu (if the case is mild). This happened to a large extent in China. In every country where this is happening, there are two causes:


A lack of resources to test everyone.
A political desire to keep the reported numbers down for PR purposes. (Not up!)

My Italy comment stands. Something happened there (and is still happening, and is worsening). What does Jon Rappoport think it is? It's not flu, and it's not nothing.

Hospitals don't get overwhelmed because of misdiagnosis, and it's rare for healthy doctors to die from something they're trying to treat. If this was in China or Iran, we might suspect all the reports or the PR. But this is Italy. Their healthcare system is excellent, and so are the people. Their numbers are almost certainly very reliable.

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus - Who Benefits? - David Icke
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[Patient]

"The epidemic is a label applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES. The label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds. It works."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/Maybe Jon Rappoport should take a flight to Northern Italy (if he could!) and hang out in some of the hospitals there, talking to the healthcare workers.

Some previously totally healthy doctors have died (just as they did in China). He might have trouble explaining that as psychosomatic.

Bill, are you actually reading the articles Jon is posting or just going off of these little quotes? He's not saying the Covid is a hoax. He's saying there's a lot of obfuscation around what's happening and a drive to cordon every case into the Corona box. I think he's offering some very valuable information, not that he knows exactly what's happening.Sure. Jon thinks that many other ailments (or combinations of them) are being mislabeled (or somehow mistested) as Covid-19, swelling the reported numbers.

I'd strongly suggest the reverse is happening. Many Covid-19 cases are being written off as viral pneumonia, or even regular flu (if the case is mild). This happened to a large extent in China. In every country where this is happening, there are two causes:


A lack of resources to test everyone.
A political desire to keep the reported numbers down for PR purposes. (Not up!)

My Italy comment stands. Something happened there (and is still happening, and is worsening). What does Jon Rappoport think it is? It's not flu, and it's not nothing.

Hospitals don't get overwhelmed because of misdiagnosis, and it's rare for healthy doctors to die from something they're trying to treat. If this was in China or Iran, we might suspect all the reports or the PR. But this is Italy. Their healthcare system is excellent, and so are the people. Their numbers are almost certainly very reliable.

The numbers will never be accurate because imagine how many people will not get tested!


The fear of being quarantined apart from your family.

The confidence that you will fight it off as a regular flu.

The acceptance that there is no cure.

[ExomatrixTV]

Bill ... you probably must know all posts of this thread ... Does that not make you having an overload? ... Getting way too much of emotional stuff that you have to sift through ... it seems only to get worse by the day :facepalm::argue::faint2::der::ohwell::nono::rant:

I can not imagine it is all "just for fun".

Hope you do not mind me asking.

cheers.
John

[Delight]

Bill replied


Maybe Jon Rappoport should take a flight to Northern Italy (if he could!) and hang out in some of the hospitals there, talking to the healthcare workers.
Some previously totally healthy doctors have died (just as they did in China). He might have trouble explaining that as psychosomatic.

Netherland report shows same kind of evidence as elsewhere that it is a real threat by itself.


Emergency doctor about corona: "We see people in their thirties with no medical history, images of lungs are terrifying" (https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/03/16/spoedarts/)
Younger healthy people can also be hard hit by the new coronavirus. Emergency doctor Ignace Demeyer of the OLV hospital in Aalst warns about this. The lung scans of patients entering his shift are "downright terrifying," Dr. Demeyer said in "Terzake."

No, it is not only the elderly or people who already have a medical problem who fall victim to the new coronavirus. Emergency doctor Ignace Demeyer warns about this. "We see people with a blank medical history who are very ill." It is also not just about older generations. "We have had very few older people so far," said Dr. Demeyer. "We now have people between the ages of 30 and 50 coming in."

"They all have the same complaints," says Dr. Demeyer. "They have been sick for a week, stayed home with the flu. The flu attack is over, they think. They feel fine for two days. And then they report with complaints of a dry cough and shortness of breath. When we then have their oxygen saturation (level of oxygen in our blood, ed.), we see that they have very low oxygen saturations for their age. "

At that time, a clear alarm goes off to the doctors that it concerns problem patients, but people themselves do not always realize it because they do not feel very ill at the time. "They just walk in, but they are terribly affected by the virus." Emergency doctor Demeyer also shows scans of the lungs of such a corona patient. "The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying."

Inflammatory fluid
The picture on the left shows normal lungs. In the second photo, there are already alveoli that are 20 to 25 percent filled with inflammatory fluid. The third scan is one step worse: it contains 80 to 90 percent inflammatory fluid.

https://images.vrt.be/width1280/2020/03/16/dbb8dfd1-67bc-11ea-aae0-02b7b76bf47f.jpg

"Those people can of course still heal, but it is a life-threatening situation. And they are people who do not smoke, they have no other condition such as diabetes or heart failure. They are sporty young people."

Virologist Steven Van Gucht shares that concern. "That is one of the reasons why we advised the government to implement those drastic measures and why we ask everyone to follow them strictly." Doctor Demeyer calls "some irresponsible behavior" that some young people still do not see the seriousness and organize parties or go on weekends.

[Delight]

Chris Martenson had shown a chart from the CDC indicating masks do work more than no masks. A designer who knows polypropolene material says surgical masks can be cleaned for personal reuse. In the comments he says n95 masks can be also. Chris Martenson had also suggested bagging masks for 9 days so 9 masks could be recycled until they begin to breakdown.
.
A comment in reddit said even some hospitals reuse masks

Tal_LiRRAr8

[ExomatrixTV]

CONFIRMED! 5G Forced Installation In Schools Nationwide During COVID-19 Lockdown:
8ocWUAwQMhY


tinyurl.com/MSM-ICNIRP-Deceptive-Content (http://tinyurl.com/MSM-ICNIRP-Deceptive-Content)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill ... you probably must know all posts of this thread ... Does that not make you having a overload? ... Getting way too much of emotional stuff that you have to sift through ... it seems only to get worse by the day.

I can not imagine it is all "just for fun".

Hope you do not mind me asking.

cheers.
JohnHa. Thanks for the question! I genuinely appreciate it. :highfive:

No stress, no misemotion, and definitely no personal fear or anxiety. Just like being on a mountain when you know there's a bad storm on its way. You hunker down in a safe place, and then just take care of every little detail, and also take care of anyone who happens to be with you.

However, once or twice I've 'looked' into the future, like peeking through a keyhole, and was genuinely alarmed at what I saw. I've not felt fear for myself, but definitely felt fear for others. So far, I have to say, I've seen most things coming quite a long way beforehand.

From the very start I had an extremely strong, clear feeling this was super-important, and that's been driving my interest to keep up with the news and developments. I consider it my duty to read every post on all the threads (and then thank them all), and almost all of the videos.

But I stay balanced. Hiking with my dog helps a lot! And I always try to go out in sunshine if there is any. I'm also answering a lot of messages, including from some people who tell me they are scared. I always respond positively, and offer the best practical advice I can. I'm aware of my responsibility, and that also drives the attention I pay to all the daily updates.

Books have been written about the Spanish Flu, as you'll know. In years to come, books will be written about this pandemic as well. Right now, we're not even at the end of the first chapter.

:flower: :focus:

[Nat_Lee]

Take a look at this if nobody has already posted it:

https://www.brighteon.com/0d53eaf5-9903-49c6-9330-0fb95cb4a59c

The video discusses that a laboratory in San Diego came up with a coronavirus vaccine in three hours, with the help of funding from Bill Gates!

Unbelievable, but so believable!

Maybe not so hard when you own the patent of the virus and the vaccine prior. We had the patent number posted a bit ago.Yes, that's here:


The coronavirus is a patented depopulation weapon patented July 23 2015. Patent number 10130701 assigned to the Pirbright Institute. I am sure they will make good money from this. First you patent the virus than the vaccine.

https://infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago (https://infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/)That 2015 patent was actually for an avian virus that's quite unrelated to this one. Again, it's pretty challenging sometimes to decode quite what's real and what's not real. There's really quite a lot of misinformation about this not only in the mainstream, but in the so-called alternative media as well. (Even if it's well-intentioned!)

Here is a french video that I've watch yesterday that talks about the simulation by the Bill Gates foundation of spredding the corona virus. I also have put the link to youtube videos of the event it self (event 201).

Here is a link to my post in french
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15761-You-speak-french-Vous-parlez-Fran--ais&p=1341366#post1341366

[Delight]

John Campbell's latest

WOSwYGhmnwo

Quarantine beginning in the US


San Francisco Bay Area counties issue shelter-in-place order
By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ and JANIE HAR
("https://apnews.com/a342998638cdccb56172a1663e8d6edf)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Officials in six San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a sweeping shelter-in-place mandate Monday affecting nearly 7 million people, ordering residents to stay at home and go outside only for food, medicine and outings that are absolutely essential.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

“I know today’s order is a radical step. It has to be. We need to act now, all of us, to protect the public health,” said Dr. Grant Colfax, director of the San Francisco Department of Public Health.

If affects the counties of San Francisco, Marin, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Contra Costa and Alameda, which includes the cities of Berkeley and Oakland.

“We must move aggressively and immediately,” said San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo, whose city is the epicenter of Bay Area outbreak. “History will not forgive us for waiting an hour more.”

San Francisco Mayor London Breed criticized what she called a “terrible response” by federal officials.

“We can’t sit back and wait for the federal government to do anything. Unfortunately, they have not been as proactive as they should in recognizing this is a crisis throughout the world,” she said.

The order tells people to work from home unless they provide essential services such as public safety, sanitation and medical services.

“Grocery stores will remain open, banks will remain open, the pharmacies will remain open. There is no need to panic,” Breed said.

Restaurants will be open only for takeout.

All gyms and bars will have to close. Outdoor exercise is fine, as long as people practice social distancing, Colfax said.

California’s national parks and state parks remained open, but many parks said they were shutting indoor spaces, including visitor centers and museums.

“You can still walk your dog or go on a hike with another person, as long as you keep 6 feet between you,” Colfax said. He said officials from the six counties met over the weekend and determined the unprecedented measures were necessary to slow the virus’spread, shield those most vulnerable to the disease and protect health care workers who are on the front lines of fighting it.

Kevin Jones, general manager of Buena Vista Cafe, an iconic San Francisco restaurant that has been a draw for tourists since 1952 in the popular Fisherman’s Wharf, said the order is “going to hurt, but our duty is to protect our employees and our customers.”

The cafe was the only one open Monday in one of the city’s busiest tourist areas, and was almost full. He said he’s worried about its 58 employees being able to pay their rent; owners and managers decided any perishable foods would go to the workers.

The dramatic step came as officials across California took increasingly strident steps to separate people and contain the spread of coronavirus.

On Sunday, Gov. Gavin Newsom urged the state’s 5.3 million people who are 65 and older and those with chronic health conditions to isolate at home. He also called for all bars, wineries, nightclubs and brewpubs in California to close.

California has confirmed at least 335 cases of the virus and six deaths. The virus usually causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough, but can be deadly for older people and those with underlying health conditions.

Most of California’s public schools were shut starting Monday for several weeks. Newsom said an estimated 85% of California’s 6 million public school students will be out of their classrooms this week. Many districts are arranging for meal pickups for families that depend on schools for breakfast and lunch.

Movie theaters, casinos and theme parks were told to limit crowd sizes and keep patrons separated.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti ordered restaurants to offer only pickup, delivery and drive-through service. He also closed gyms, movie theaters, bowling alleys and arcades.

Freeways normally jammed with rush hour drivers flowed freely. Long lines persisted at some grocery stores despite officials saying there’s no need to hoard supplies.

Responding to panic buying, executives of major grocery chains said at Los Angeles news conference that supply chains are in good shape and clerks are working to restock shelves and clean.

“There is plenty of product,” said Bryan Kaltenbach, president of Kroger’s Food 4 Less.

The rapid pace of new restrictions caught people and institutions off-guard.

Near San Diego State University, Will Remsbottom’s Scrimshaw Coffee had just three people, and one was washing windows. “I’m just struggling with this moral conundrum of remaining open and being a potential spreader versus closing and not being able to pay my employees,” he said.

Robert Murillo’s younger daughter turned 4 on Sunday, but the family stayed home and ate cupcakes. “They’re still at the age that blowing a balloon makes their day, so thank God for that,” he said.

California has increased the number of available hospital beds and will reopen shuttered medical centers in the coming days. Newsom said he was pushing to move many of the state’s 108,000 homeless people indoors, using motels and 450 state-owned trailers set up before the outbreak.

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[happyuk]

Many of my previous posts reflect a scepticism that I still sincerely hope is well founded. But the truth is I am somewhat rattled. Life went after a first World war, a depression, a second World War, revolutions breaking out everywhere, Empires lasting hundreds of years crashing and a pandemic that killed millions (Spanish Flu). To paraphrase Rudyard Kipling, if you you can keep your head, when all around are losing theirs, perhaps you have underestimated the situation.

When I watched the second plane hit the tower, I turned around to my then colleagues and told them things are going to be a bit different.

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. If we come out of this much better and quicker than our European neighbours who are taking the early lock-down approach then he'll rightly be considered a hero - it'll be his finest hour. If we come out much worse and it kills many then it's the sort of thing people might not forget in a hurry.


I wonder what changes are coming following this one. The end of the open borders movement perhaps? Freedom of movement? The number of people around over 65 years of age? Any Brits care to speculate what UK plc is going to look like in 2021 Could we see a bail out of SME’s similar to what we saw with the (in my opinion undeserving) banks? I wonder if that means things like small independent cafes, coffee shops, book shops and restaurants will go bust, giving the big chains like Nero, Greggs, Costa etc, a bigger monopoly as they can probably weather this thing.

Seven days ago, I didn't know we'd now be where we are. Just seven days. This thing has a momentum of its own: a lot of things - familiar ways of doing things - could be destroyed. No one will want to drag their arse back to a freezing station platform or sit in stationary traffic at 0730 every morning when you’ve just shown for the preceding months you don’t have to.

Maybe those slightly eccentric preppers and survivalists who people laughed at may come into their own. Covid-19 has highlighted how fragile supply chains are over distance, and what can happen when an element in the chain is disrupted and I’m sure that hasn’t gone unnoticed. Globalisation will be reeled back. The idea that many people absolutely have to go to an office to work will change. Manufacturing will be re-shored as our vulnerability to foreign capacity/events will be more fully realised. Hopefully we'll realise the folly of importing most of our food, stop concreting over the countryside and get farmers growing/rearing again for a fair price instead of paying them not to and be "stewards of the land" instead. I think the cruise industry may be unable to shake off the image of cruises being little more than people stuffed into one big floating petri dish.

[Delight]

Coronavirus (COVID-19)
in Australia
(https://www.covid19data.com.au/)
Australia notices US major source of their cases. Has US had cases quite awhile (versus bad flu year)?

https://infogram.com/1p2mx91nk7llgdt0e1ym2krl9pirwwdgmry

You have to seemingly over react or case,case,cluster,cluster. BOOM.

_8QiUTWVnjQ

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for today, just out. (I posted yesterday's here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341342&viewfull=1#post1341342), a couple of hours ago.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8QiUTWVnjQ

[Bill Ryan]

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. It can't work. It'd collapse (maybe destroy) the National Health Service, and hundreds of thousands (maybe over a million) would die.

Herd immunity in the end, very probably, after the forest has finally stopped burning. But he might not win the next election. :)

[Caliban]

I just want to remind everyone:

Give yourself some space sometimes to walk away from the internet and TV. This will all still be here. (You too Bill) Go meditate. Do chi kung. Take a walk (yeah you can still do that). Watch something funny. Call a friend and talk about Other things.

Balance. Good word. Remember who we are. Good thought.

[Pam]

I just want to remind everyone:

Give yourself some space sometimes to walk away from the internet and TV. This will all still be here. (You too Bill) Go meditate. Do chi kung. Take a walk (yeah you can still do that). Watch something funny. Call a friend and talk about Other things.

Balance. Good word. Remember who we are. Good thought.

For some reason I am finding comfort in watching Horror movies....go figure. You are right, Caliban..we have got to keep a balance here. Exercise, fresh air and sunshine go a long way. I went out an did some physical work outside to burn off my angst and it helps.

[norman]

I think I heard the prime alarmist Mike Adams (The Health Ranger) recently state that the infection rate in China is now zero. Is that really true?

If it IS, that's astonishingly fishy.

[onevoice]

The Washington Post is providing the following article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200316&instance_id=16821&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=116689277&segment_id=22293&te=1&user_id=0bec3ef03e1ae47bb168dcdcd3dd99fc) free for everyone. The article contains animated graphics and other simulators that provides visual depictions of various scenarios of how Covid-19 can play out.

PLEASE NOTE
The Washington Post is providing this story for free so that all readers have access to this important information about the coronavirus. For more free stories, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter (https://subscribe.washingtonpost.com/newsletters/#/bundle/health?method=SURL&location=ART&initiative=FREE).

After the first case of covid-19 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/01/21/coronavirus-us-case/), the disease caused by the new strain of coronavirus, was announced in the United States, reports of further infections trickled in slowly. Two months later, that trickle has turned into a steady current.

[Lea este articulo en español (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator-spanish/)]

The article continues...

[ExomatrixTV]

Man Gives China A Pass, Blames Media (https://rumble.com/v8z1bv-man-gives-china-a-pass-blames-media-for-coronavirus-reactions.html) For Coronavirus Hysteria

[thepainterdoug]

caliban/ Good advise. and Im cleaning and organizing every section in my house, getting closets cleaned, putting all clothes together to give away. taking long naps , all while movies are playing in the background.
its a good time to let go of the drill we all live everyday.
i have no interest in making art, or music or being creative. Im enjoying being a low key person who knows nothing and doesn't care to know . Sleep when I want , stare at walls, sip some whisky , ponder and meditate.
and all without guilt. thank you virus .

[Patient]

caliban/ Good advise. and Im cleaning and organizing every section in my house, getting closets cleaned, putting all clothes together to give away. taking long naps , all while movies are playing in the background.
its a good time to let go of the drill we all live everyday.
i have no interest in making art, or music or being creative. Im enjoying being a low key person who knows nothing and doesn't care to know . Sleep when I want , stare at walls, sip some whisky , ponder and meditate.
and all without guilt. thank you virus .

:) ...and I am looking forward to doing some art!

(I tried being an animator back before computers did the work - I just didn't draw fast enough. )

[Innocent Warrior]

Hello - some good news!

Some researchers here in Brisbane are working on a promising treatment for the virus. They’re raising the money now and are looking to trial it nationwide at the end of the month. They’re testing two drugs and both are already registered and available in Australia (HIV & anti-malaria), so this can happen quickly. One of the drugs was given to some of the first patients diagnosed in Australia, the virus disappeared and they made a full recovery from infection (also, both drugs have killed it in test tubes). If this works, and it looks promising, vaccines will not be necessary, the virus could just get killed off.

‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/) (Mar 16)

I’ll keep an eye on this and update you on the progress and results. :thumbsup:

xo

[Rhydwyn]

Tomas Pueyo wrote an excellent article Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca) about how fast the coronavirus is spreading and how to stop it.

To summarize, because of the incubation period and mild symptom cases, in places without a lockdown, the number of coronavirus cases is on average roughly 800 times higher than the number of deaths. The average growth rate is roughly 40%, so a doubling time of two days. This will overwhelm any medical system within two months after there is a death, if there is no lockdown.

The good news is, once there is a lockdown, within two weeks there are almost no more cases, and in a month there are no more deaths and no more cases. Over that month, roughly ten times as many people will die compared to before the lockdown. Then the lockdown can be lifted and screened travel can be restarted with other countries who have also eliminated their cases. Screening and contact tracing would still have to continue, but normal life could restart.

The message is to lockdown the country now. A lockdown means only transportation, pharmacies, groceries will remain open. Every two day delay doubles the eventual number of deaths.

In the article, charts for many countries are listed, and the doubling time varies. However, the conclusion for each is the same, at some point you have to lockdown the country for a month, and the sooner you do it the better.

Please share the article as widely as you can, it's a good way to show people how to stop the flu.

[Delight]

Remember vaping illness? Could there be something related?

The illness is now called e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury (EVALI) (https://www.webmd.com/lung/features/vaping-illness-symptoms#1)

Someone with EVALI may have breathing and digestive problems, along with other symptoms, including:

Fever
Chills
Cough
A hard time breathing
Shortness of breath
Chest tightness
Belly pain
Loss of appetite (not hungry)
Nausea and vomiting
Diarrhea
Weight loss
Some people say their symptoms formed over a few days, while others say it took several weeks. Those affected seem to have serious lung damage. They may even need intensive care and support with a ventilator, a machine that helps you breathe.

[Innocent Warrior]

Hello - some good news!

Some researchers here in Brisbane are working on a promising treatment for the virus. They’re raising the money now and are looking to trial it nationwide at the end of the month. They’re testing two drugs and both are already registered and available in Australia (HIV & anti-malaria), so this can happen quickly. One of the drugs was given to some of the first patients diagnosed in Australia, the virus disappeared and they made a full recovery from infection (also, both drugs have killed it in test tubes). If this works, and it looks promising, vaccines will not be necessary, the virus could just get killed off.

‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/) (Mar 16)

I’ll keep an eye on this and update you on the progress and results. :thumbsup:

xo

UPDATE


The RBWH Foundation has established a Coronavirus Action Fund. By Monday afternoon it had raised $30,000 of the desired $750,000 for the clinical drug trials and other related medical research.

"The trials will start as soon as funding is secured," the fund states.

DONE (https://coronavirusactionfund.blackbaud-sites.com), $1,396,073 already raised.

[Seabreeze]

Coronavirus Live Infections and Deaths Updates

https://corona.help/

https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/flu

to me it seems to be a panic maker.....for some secret and hidden plan to bring up soon....maybe Blue Beam fake UFO invasion and NWO?

[greybeard]

All this highlights a conditioned need for the state to look after us and a fear of death, both are unnecessary.
We dont need the state to make decisions for us on many levels.
Its common sense to limit interaction with others, time being, even to the point of temporary isolation.
It seems that in countries were lockdown has been used after a four week period there is no further spread of virus
Death is inevitable and certainly not to be feared.
All religions accept life after death.
However, good health is to be treasured and body and mind maintenance essential.

Chris

[Isserley]

This is quite alarming.. ->


US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

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People wait in a line to enter a gun store in Culver City, California, on Sunday. Photograph: Ringo HW Chiu/AP

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

On the west coast, long lines of customers were queueing up outside gun stores to stock up on deadly materials. At the Martin B Retting gun shop in Culver City, California, the queues stretched round the block throughout the weekend.

One customer told the LA Times: “Politicians and anti-gun people have been telling us for the longest time that we don’t need guns. But right now, a lot of people are truly scared, and they can make that decision themselves.”

Larry Hyatt, owner of one of the country’s largest gun shops, Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, North Carolina, told the Guardian that the scenes of mass buying at his store were virtually unprecedented. “This is only the second time in my 61 years of business that we’ve seen anything like this,” he said, adding that the first occasion was the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut in 2012.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles.

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.”

A major online dealer of ammunition, Ammo.com, has put out figures for sales from 23 February to 4 March that give an indication of the scale of the surge. In that 11-day period sales increased 68% compared to the 11 days up to 23 February.

Sales were especially pronounced in North Carolina and Georgia, which experienced a leap of 179% and 169% respectively. Other states with large increases included Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Illinois and New York.

In a statement, Ammo.com’s marketing manager, Alex Horsman, said: “We know certain things impact ammo sales, mostly political events or economic instability when people feel their rights may end up infringed. This is our first experience with a virus leading to such a boost in sales.”

Apart from general anxiety surrounding coronavirus, some gun sale spikes appeared to have specific causes. The Trace reported that in Washington state and California, locations of early outbreaks of the virus, gun sales increased acutely propelled by Asian Americans fearful that they could face xenophobic and racist violence against their families given that the original source of coronavirus was China.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure. They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese,” David Liu, a Chinese-American gun dealer outside Los Angeles, told the Trace.

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

[Bill Ryan]

It's common sense to limit interaction with others, time being, even to the point of temporary isolation.One of the problems is that some people don't have 'common sense'. It's already being reported in many countries that younger folks (in their 20s, maybe) seem to think they're immune, and keep on partying, or gathering together.

Of course, even if they don't become symptomatic (and many younger people are infected now: 50% of the intensive care cases in Italy are aged between 20-50, with the youngest 16), they can still carry it and infect others.

Partly because of very poor information from various 'authorities', there's a great deal of invisible spreading happening. This is part of the reason we're all in this situation at the moment.

In our (so-called!) 'free society', many of us tend to think we're somehow individually privileged. We may not be, and we may be being irresponsible without even being aware.

That's why laws exist. A parallel may simply be speed limits when driving. Most people will exercise 'common sense'. But definitely not all. :)

[Bill Ryan]

I think I heard the prime alarmist Mike Adams (The Health Ranger) recently state that the infection rate in China is now zero. Is that really true?

If it IS, that's astonishingly fishy.Chris Martenson posted this graph in his 15 March daily video update (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efaDuE-XEi4&t=1s). It kinda says it all. (Exponential growth curves don't do this!) :)

http://projectavalon.net/China_seems_legit.gif

[Tintin]

From the UK Guardian rolling feed today news that Israel have rushed through emergency measures to implement (sic) mobile/cell phone tracking, something many of us have probably anticipated would be a negative effect of the extraordinary and in many cases necessary measures being implemented worldwide now. Of course tracking has been going on for really quite some time now, but, under cover of the pandemic, a perfect excuse to legitimise its use more widely. Major privacy issues here which may never be rolled back.

Story here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-live-news-updates-uk-us-australia-europe-france-italy-who-self-isolation-travel-bans-borders-latest-update?page=with:block-5e707c9d8f085c6327bc1530#block-5e707c9d8f085c6327bc1530

EDIT to add @ 10:32 GMT:
Full article here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/israel-to-track-mobile-phones-of-suspected-coronavirus-cases

Israel approves phone tracking
Oliver Holmes March 16th 07:32 GMT


Israel’s government has approved emergency measures to track people suspected or confirmed to have been infected with the coronavirus by monitoring their mobile phones, immediately raising privacy concerns in the country.

The cabinet unanimously approved the use of the technology, developed initially for counter-terrorism purposes, in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

The prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, first raised the issue during the weekend. He said authorities would use the data to notify people who may have come into contact with someone infected with the virus, and also to enforce quarantine orders.

In a Monday evening televised speech, the leader said the cyber monitoring would be in effect for 30 days.

“Israel is a democracy and we must maintain the balance between civil rights and the public’s needs,” Netanyahu said. “These tools will very much assist us in locating the sick and stopping the virus from spreading.”

Using emergency powers, he bypassed what would typically be a process of approval by Israel’s parliament, the Knesset. It had looked likely a parliamentary subcommittee would have delayed the rollout.

The Association for Civil Rights in Israel said providing the country’s internal security agency, the Shin Bet, with new secretive powers was a “dangerous precedent and a slippery slope that must be approached and resolved after much debate and not after a brief discussion”.

Netanyahu’s authority to implement such measures has also been questioned. The country is battling the coronavirus while also under an extending political crisis, with Netanyahu ruling as interim leader. His opponent, Benny Gantz, is prime minister-designate and attempting to form a government (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/israels-opposition-head-benny-gantz-wins-support-to-form-government), although it is unclear if enough lawmakers will back him.

[Bill Ryan]

Of course, even if they don't become symptomatic (and many younger people are infected now: 50% of the intensive care cases in Italy are aged between 20-50, with the youngest 16), they can still carry it and infect others.This is a pretty important wake-up call. (There are actually quite a few reports like this if one goes hunting for them. Many can be found in YouTube comments.)

Here's one such comment below Chris Martenson's latest update (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8QiUTWVnjQ): (I cleaned up the poor spelling a little; the guy's language isn't English.) Of course, he may just not be used to being ill. But equally possibly, he could be in trouble.

This does NOT just affect elderly or infirm people. It can hit anyone at all.

~~~

iSiCksTaR (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyTDs1yp6pbsPo7aY_uHiEw) 10 hours ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8QiUTWVnjQ&lc=Ugz6Yazh6k3izHrxBtZ4AaABAg)

Hi, I have the coronavirus.

And just want to share my symptoms with everyone that thinks the virus does nothing to young people. Sorry for bad English, I'm going to do my best.

I'm 20 years of age. I was exposed to the virus 2-4 weeks ago. I'm very athletic, work out about 3-5 times a week. And have no health issues at all.

At the start I only had a fever, coughing a little slimy. And my head hurts. Then it transformed from coughing slime to just normal coughing, head hurts, my body is lazy went from being crazy. And just want to work out to wanting to stay home. Now I also have

- difficulty breathing
- body hurts
- coughing
- little headache
- little fever

And I'm only 20. I feel my body is giving up. And I'm sure soon I'll end up in critical condition.

Just wanted to share this with the young people that don't care if they get the virus. This virus is serious. I also wasn't scared and thought it won't do anything to me until I got it. Please stay safe.

[helium]

Breathe deep the gathering gloom


My first post; my first potential novel coronavirus.

Sent my application in yesterday on my 70th birthday to join the Avalon forum. Same day had my first symptoms, out of nowhere. Most likely, if this turns out to be actual COVID and I have tests done, the vector was the county courthouse when I walked in less than a week ago to purchase license tabs for my car. Very sick employees in cramped spaces. I was appalled. Should have ran but it was too late. Otherwise I’ve been a shut-in for nearly the past year, so very little exposure. Attempting to raise awareness in this small community I live in is challenging.

We will see how things go from here.

It would be easy to pass off the irony of milestone birthday, acceptance into the Avalon community, and the onset of these symptoms all in one glorious day. And glorious it is/was. No sarcasm intended.

Irony, synchronicity - isn’t it strange that out of so many worlds and dimensions open for participation that this particular one we inhabit has as part of it’s substructure such an ephemeral phenomena? So many think they are in control when unrestrained control seems the antithesis of the kind of growth that’s intended to take place here. Yet exert a certain control we must, then either suffer or celebrate the consequences that follow. Either way, through pain or joy, we will learn. Best that choices are made with the understanding that pain and joy are intricately entwined. Neither is what they appear to be.

Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

Can’t get past the strong sense that I was groomed for this scenario that’s facing the world today. It’s energizing, uplifting, and reeking of raw inspiring challenge.

So when I use the eerie but familiar words breathe deep the gathering gloom they are not intended to incite fear or dread. Reverence is more inline with my thinking – reverence for the unique opportunities that present themselves is more in line with life paths traveled with awareness, empathy, and insatiable curiosity. I’m thinking more in terms of open acceptance, now that I have something tangible to center my attention on.

Symptoms are mild. Noticed lightheadedness, a bit dizzy washing dishes. Have to sit now and then to be certain I don’t fall. Pulse rate quite elevated even at rest. Temperature up two degrees above my advanced-age normal which is around 96 to 97. Tightness and minor aching across chest. No breathing problems. Mental acuity and concentration are definately impaired. Alternate chills and sweats. Sweating like a pig at this very moment (apologies to all you swine out there. Do you actually sweat?). Could just be the boring old flu. Testing is available here if necessary. All necessary preparations and treatments have been underway.

Off to the races, in more ways than one!

At 20 years old I wouldn’t have had the experience to embrace this sort of thing like I do now. Not saying anyone else should adopt my views.

[Pam]

There are some really sound ideas presented here.
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[Wind]

Coronavirus: What Has It Revealed? | Russell Brand

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[Kryztian]

Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-deaths-trump-stock-market-pandemic-economy-bankrupt-italy-a9394891.html

Coronavirus’s economic danger is exponentially greater than its health risks to the public. If the virus does directly affect your life, it is most likely to be through stopping you going to work, forcing your employer to make you redundant, or bankrupting your business.

The trillions of dollars wiped from financial markets this week will be just the beginning, if our governments do not step in. And if President Trump continues to stumble in his handling of the situation, it may well affect his chances of re-election. Joe Biden in particular has identified Covid-19 as a weakness for Trump, promising “steady, reassuring” leadership during America’s hour of need.

Worldwide, Covid-19 has killed 4,389 with 31 US deaths as of today. But it will economically cripple millions, especially since the epidemic has formed a perfect storm with stock market crashes, an oil war between Russia and Saudi Arabia, and the spilling over of an actual war in Syria into another potential migrant crisis.

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck; and startups and growing businesses like mine could end up paying the price.

Just as important as fighting the virus — if not more important — is vaccinating our economies against the incoming pandemic of panic. Human suffering can come in the form of illness and death. But it can also be experienced as not being able to pay the bills or losing your home.

Small businesses in particular are struggling as supply chains dry up, leaving them without products or essential materials. Factory closures in China have led to a record low in the country’s Purchasing Manager’s Index which measures manufacturing output. China is the world’s largest exporter and is responsible for a third of global manufacturing, so China’s problem is everyone’s problem — even in the midst of a trade war between the White House and Beijing.

All this makes it even more worrying that governments continue to see this as a health crisis, not an economic one. It is time the economists took over from the doctors, before the real pandemic spreads.

It is difficult to imagine Italy not entering a recession (the world’s ninth largest economy is now on lockdown). It is also difficult to imagine that failing to affect Europe and its largest trading partner, the United States. And it is impossible to see how any of this will not add up to a global downturn, unless governments step in faster and harder than they did 12 years ago during the last financial crisis.

The stakes are higher this time, because there seems to be a coordinated effort to economically hurt many Western countries, and warn them away from the aggressive trade policies that Trump has so enthusiastically adopted.

Although China bore the brunt of the virus’s economic and human cost, many in Beijing will see a silver lining in the weakening of the US economy, and a distraction from Trump’s trade wars that appeared to be escalating with no end in sight.

Almost perfectly synchronized with the coronavirus, a Russia-Saudi oil war has erupted. In the short-term, both Moscow and Riyadh can afford the 30 per cent overnight drop in the oil price. But America’s shale gas business cannot: The more expensive process of fracking means that much of the US oil sector will simply not exist if oil prices stay at historic lows, leading to shut downs, job losses and perhaps even state-level recessions.

President Trump has pushed through overdue payroll tax cuts and help for hourly workers — measures that will help both employers and employees survive. In the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak today unveiled a ‘Coronavirus Budget’. But everyone needs to think bigger if they want to properly deal with how this new factor changes the status quo.

This is about much more than coronavirus, oil prices, or even the global economy. This is about the balance of power between East and West. The epicenter of this has been, for the last 10 years, Syria. After a decade of conflict on the ground, the face-off seems to have now escalated from proxy war to economic conflict.

The emerging superpowers of Russia and China witnessed what many saw as American irrelevance in Syria. And they are now trying to cement their vision of a truly multi-polar world. Rather than allowing US ally Saudi Arabia to lead the oil markets through the OPEC cartel, Russia and China want to reshape global markets — and power balances — to their advantage.

To survive these shifts, the US, UK and others will need to protect the future of their businesses, large and small, and look for opportunities to benefit from the new economic world order, not deny it. Ignoring these changes will be even more damaging than any flu pandemic.

--- Appending to Post ---

I just noticed Pam's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341493&viewfull=1#post1341493), two above this one, of Tucker Carlson. He is essentially saying the same thing - we are heading for an economic disaster much worse than the epidemiological once, if we put our planet in shutdown.

[Bill Ryan]

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck.Some of you may have seen a docudrama called Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)), aired by the BBC in 1984. Here it is, but there's a warning to those who may be unfamiliar: it's extraordinarily realistic, very well done, and not all that easy to watch. No punches are pulled.


http://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.mp4

The title comes from exactly what Kryztian posted about: that we're so closely interconnected (and were back in 1984, as well), that if the whole thing very suddenly comes apart, it can't be put back together again.

At least in this situation, it's not happening 'suddenly' — though to some it may feel like that. It's not like an asteroid strike or a nuclear war. At least individuals, and governments if they're smart and wise, can act with forethought to put contingencies in place to soften all the blows.

But also as the article suggests, it's possible no-one has really thought through in full detail where all the toppling domino chains will end up, or how long they are. There will be knock-on effects in very unforeseen places, and to some very unforeseen people.

Our complex, sophisticated world is brittle and vulnerable, paradoxically more so than ever before in recorded history. And with that, in a way, unless you're an indigenous tribesperson, very wealthy, or a good farmer living in a remote place, we're all individually brittle and vulnerable as well.

One person we all know and love on the forum has quietly been spending her morning calling round and checking on all the vulnerable people she knows: some of them may be alone and very frightened.

If we can each do the same, just a little, small acts of kindness like that may mean the world to someone who's not able to go fighting in Costco or Tescos for a few badly needed items of food. This can bring out either the very best or the very worst in people, and in news feeds from round the world we've already seen good examples of both.

:flower:

[scotslad]

My daughter works as a nurse in region's largest hospital. Her ward has just been changed to THE MAJOR COVID-19 ward for the hospital and geographical area. She aghast at the shambolic management style and conflicting info they being told, but cant praise the comaradery of the staff actually working together helping and supporting each other and going the extra mile on her ward and other wards. Will keep you posted as it all unfolds.

[RogeRio]

in my country there is an interesting "law of market" (hypocrisy) about the prices of fuels on the PETROBRAS monopoly, which ever anounces that the refinery prices vary according to international oil prices.

so whenever oil or dollar prices go up, fuel prices go up almost immediately by the same proportion.

but when prices fall, fuel prices do not fall, or at most, only a few insignificant cents, because the fuel taxes is around 44% of prices, so the issue is not whether the price of the product falls but rather the taxes that cannot fall (abruptly).

now I'm going to where I want to "Speculate" about privacy surveillance caused by suspicions of coronavirus spreading.

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without coronavirus, privacy surveillance by authorities it is only allowed with an express court order, but with the devil of this virus, it is enough for a doctor or health agent indicate any citizen suspect of having been infected.

Suspect is enough!

ANY Contact with other already suspect is enough!

So, based on CDC ( & Goldman Sachs ) spread predictions already published I'M SUSPECTING that even IF or WHEN the coronavirus wave past gone, the surveillance and quarentine orders could never will down again, even because all this apparatus cost money and taxes that the authorities, bankers, telephony & internet operators, private and government medical and security professionals, will never want to lose Its gained positions.

all these people are now going to support increased taxes and invasion of privacy,

So thanks for coronavirus (and others similars) that from now on, will be part of our lives and the costs that we will be forced bear to pay for this whole apparatus.

is not difficult to imagine one 2020 year relaxing orwellian message:

WELCOME to 1984, dear 2020!

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the scene in Ecuador. (Wow.) It's stricter than in most countries — so far. But wherever you are, this is probably coming to you.


https://cuencahighlife.com/government-adds-more-travel-restrictions-and-a-curfew-as-coronavirus-lockdown-takes-effect

Summary:


Vehicles with even number plates allowed on the roads Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, odd numbers on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. (Hey! That's not fair. I'm an even number. :) )
All Ecuadorians under orders to stay home, except to buy food, go to work if it's allowed, to care for the elderly/disabled or to seek medical products or services. (Not advisory. It's an order.)
All but the most essential government services suspended to reduce face-to-face contact. Businesses that require personal contact also ordered closed.
The new measures come when confirmed cases of the virus spiked from 37 to 58 and public health officials admitted that the number represented only the “tip of the iceberg.” Speaking anonymously, a Quito health ministry doctor said there are probably thousands of cases in the country. “At this point, the official count is of little use,” he said. “We must be prepared for difficult times ahead.”
Businesses that will continue to function include those involved in food production, delivery, sale and preparation as well as sellers of health care products and services, e.g. pharmacies/medical offices. Banks will be open. Food stores and markets will be open, with stores admitting no more than 30 customers at a time with only one member of a family allowed to shop.
National curfew from 9pm—5am.
Personal movement to be strictly enforced by police. Vehicles on the road for any reason other than listed will be confiscated.

[Dave Hunnicutt]

This is quite alarming.. ->


US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i7QehxcaFHoE/v1/-1x-1.jpg

People wait in a line to enter a gun store in Culver City, California, on Sunday. Photograph: Ringo HW Chiu/AP

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

On the west coast, long lines of customers were queueing up outside gun stores to stock up on deadly materials. At the Martin B Retting gun shop in Culver City, California, the queues stretched round the block throughout the weekend.

One customer told the LA Times: “Politicians and anti-gun people have been telling us for the longest time that we don’t need guns. But right now, a lot of people are truly scared, and they can make that decision themselves.”

Larry Hyatt, owner of one of the country’s largest gun shops, Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, North Carolina, told the Guardian that the scenes of mass buying at his store were virtually unprecedented. “This is only the second time in my 61 years of business that we’ve seen anything like this,” he said, adding that the first occasion was the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut in 2012.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles.

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.”

A major online dealer of ammunition, Ammo.com, has put out figures for sales from 23 February to 4 March that give an indication of the scale of the surge. In that 11-day period sales increased 68% compared to the 11 days up to 23 February.

Sales were especially pronounced in North Carolina and Georgia, which experienced a leap of 179% and 169% respectively. Other states with large increases included Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Illinois and New York.

In a statement, Ammo.com’s marketing manager, Alex Horsman, said: “We know certain things impact ammo sales, mostly political events or economic instability when people feel their rights may end up infringed. This is our first experience with a virus leading to such a boost in sales.”

Apart from general anxiety surrounding coronavirus, some gun sale spikes appeared to have specific causes. The Trace reported that in Washington state and California, locations of early outbreaks of the virus, gun sales increased acutely propelled by Asian Americans fearful that they could face xenophobic and racist violence against their families given that the original source of coronavirus was China.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure. They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese,” David Liu, a Chinese-American gun dealer outside Los Angeles, told the Trace.

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying


If there is one lesson we can learn from this crisis, it is

"If you are not early, you are late."

I live fairly close to the store in the photo. The people in this line are at the bottom of the food chain as gun owners or wanna be gun owners looking for their first gun. Any experienced gun owner with a clue has multiple weapons that he has repeatedly trained with and proven to be reliable with thousands of rounds of ammo in reserve. The California Marxists politicians have been passing anti-gun laws for a decade now. All it does is to insure that people stockpile more guns and ammo. They get the exact opposite of what they want. In spite of their laws, Californians are armed to the teeth.

My personal opinion is that we will see food shortages that lead to looting, burglaries, and home invasions. People think because there was still food in China and there is currently food in Italy, there will be food here in the USA. What they are forgetting is that the USA (UK too) will go through the peak of this crisis under completely different circumstances than Italy or China. We will be going through the medical crisis at the same time we are facing a global economic collapse and supply chain collapse. That is why there will be food shortages.

And violence.

[norman]

I will be thoroughly disgusted and heartbroken if we eventually find out that this global lockdown didn't actually include executive jets and 'special people'.

[Pam]

Coronavirus
Illinois Mayor Grants Herself Power to Ban Guns During Coronavirus Pandemic

Champaign, Illinois mayor Deborah Frank Feinen signed an executive order giving herself the power to order the seizure of firearms, ammunition, alcohol and gasoline during the coronavirus pandemic.

The executive order also enables the government to “take possession of private property” and cut off an individual’s access to gas, water or electricity.

The city promised to “keep the public’s best interest in mind” while also handing itself the power to shut down all liquor stores and bars, although Gov. J.B. Pritzker has already ordered the shut down of all bars and schools across Illinois until March 30.


https://summit.news/2020/03/16/illinois-mayor-grants-herself-power-to-ban-guns-during-coronavirus-pandemic/

[Dave Hunnicutt]

The Illinois Mayor is in for a big surprise. Matt Bracken has a great quote. "A plan to ride a tiger is not the same thing as riding a tiger."

We will not comply.

[Caliban]

According to president of Italy's Higher Health Institute (Istituto Superiore di Sanità, or ISS), Silvio Brusaferro

"Almost all patients were already suffering from serious health problems, including cancer, when the coronavirus infection was detected, according to the new data from the ISS."

"Brusaferro stated that two patients under the age of 40 had died. Both were aged 39. One had a tumour and died in hospital, while the other died at home and had some comorbid factors including diabetes, obesity and other types of ailments that characterized his life before becoming infected,” said Brusaferro. "

https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-the-victims-in-italy

That was from 3/11. Here's a translated piece from the 13th, same topic:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.agenzianova.com%2Fa%2F5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954%2F2851060%2F2020-03-13%2Fcoronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due

[Dennis Leahy]

Breathe deep the gathering gloom


My first post; my first potential novel coronavirus.

Sent my application in yesterday on my 70th birthday to join the Avalon forum. Same day had my first symptoms, out of nowhere. Most likely, if this turns out to be actual COVID and I have tests done, the vector was the county courthouse when I walked in less than a week ago to purchase license tabs for my car. Very sick employees in cramped spaces. I was appalled. Should have ran but it was too late. Otherwise I’ve been a shut-in for nearly the past year, so very little exposure. Attempting to raise awareness in this small community I live in is challenging.

We will see how things go from here.

It would be easy to pass off the irony of milestone birthday, acceptance into the Avalon community, and the onset of these symptoms all in one glorious day. And glorious it is/was. No sarcasm intended.

Irony, synchronicity - isn’t it strange that out of so many worlds and dimensions open for participation that this particular one we inhabit has as part of it’s substructure such an ephemeral phenomena? So many think they are in control when unrestrained control seems the antithesis of the kind of growth that’s intended to take place here. Yet exert a certain control we must, then either suffer or celebrate the consequences that follow. Either way, through pain or joy, we will learn. Best that choices are made with the understanding that pain and joy are intricately entwined. Neither is what they appear to be.

Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

Can’t get past the strong sense that I was groomed for this scenario that’s facing the world today. It’s energizing, uplifting, and reeking of raw inspiring challenge.

So when I use the eerie but familiar words breathe deep the gathering gloom they are not intended to incite fear or dread. Reverence is more inline with my thinking – reverence for the unique opportunities that present themselves is more in line with life paths traveled with awareness, empathy, and insatiable curiosity. I’m thinking more in terms of open acceptance, now that I have something tangible to center my attention on.

Symptoms are mild. Noticed lightheadedness, a bit dizzy washing dishes. Have to sit now and then to be certain I don’t fall. Pulse rate quite elevated even at rest. Temperature up two degrees above my advanced-age normal which is around 96 to 97. Tightness and minor aching across chest. No breathing problems. Mental acuity and concentration are definately impaired. Alternate chills and sweats. Sweating like a pig at this very moment (apologies to all you swine out there. Do you actually sweat?). Could just be the boring old flu. Testing is available here if necessary. All necessary preparations and treatments have been underway.

Off to the races, in more ways than one!

At 20 years old I wouldn’t have had the experience to embrace this sort of thing like I do now. Not saying anyone else should adopt my views.
Opens with The Moody Blues quote. Nice! Hope you have something else, not covid-19, but regardless, do check out strategies posted here to combat viral infections. Welcome to Avalon, and wishing you the very best.

[TrumanCash]

Breathe deep the gathering gloom


My first post; my first potential novel coronavirus.

Sent my application in yesterday on my 70th birthday to join the Avalon forum. Same day had my first symptoms, out of nowhere. Most likely, if this turns out to be actual COVID and I have tests done, the vector was the county courthouse when I walked in less than a week ago to purchase license tabs for my car. Very sick employees in cramped spaces. I was appalled. Should have ran but it was too late. Otherwise I’ve been a shut-in for nearly the past year, so very little exposure. Attempting to raise awareness in this small community I live in is challenging.

We will see how things go from here.

It would be easy to pass off the irony of milestone birthday, acceptance into the Avalon community, and the onset of these symptoms all in one glorious day. And glorious it is/was. No sarcasm intended.

Irony, synchronicity - isn’t it strange that out of so many worlds and dimensions open for participation that this particular one we inhabit has as part of it’s substructure such an ephemeral phenomena? So many think they are in control when unrestrained control seems the antithesis of the kind of growth that’s intended to take place here. Yet exert a certain control we must, then either suffer or celebrate the consequences that follow. Either way, through pain or joy, we will learn. Best that choices are made with the understanding that pain and joy are intricately entwined. Neither is what they appear to be.

Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

Can’t get past the strong sense that I was groomed for this scenario that’s facing the world today. It’s energizing, uplifting, and reeking of raw inspiring challenge.

So when I use the eerie but familiar words breathe deep the gathering gloom they are not intended to incite fear or dread. Reverence is more inline with my thinking – reverence for the unique opportunities that present themselves is more in line with life paths traveled with awareness, empathy, and insatiable curiosity. I’m thinking more in terms of open acceptance, now that I have something tangible to center my attention on.

Symptoms are mild. Noticed lightheadedness, a bit dizzy washing dishes. Have to sit now and then to be certain I don’t fall. Pulse rate quite elevated even at rest. Temperature up two degrees above my advanced-age normal which is around 96 to 97. Tightness and minor aching across chest. No breathing problems. Mental acuity and concentration are definately impaired. Alternate chills and sweats. Sweating like a pig at this very moment (apologies to all you swine out there. Do you actually sweat?). Could just be the boring old flu. Testing is available here if necessary. All necessary preparations and treatments have been underway.

Off to the races, in more ways than one!

At 20 years old I wouldn’t have had the experience to embrace this sort of thing like I do now. Not saying anyone else should adopt my views.

Welcome, helium! Thanks for your first post. I have also been hearing drummer/poet Graeme Edge's lines in my mind from one of my favorite Moody Blues albums "Days of Future Passed" due to my daily deep breathing exercises (Wim Hof style).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAmICTFSok

However, I must add that Graeme Edge's poem also reminds me of my 8th grade grammar--"Breathe deep the gathering gloom" should be "Breathe deeply" since breathe is a verb being modified by an adverb so the "ly" would be needed, eh Graeme? (Hopefully, though, we will not lose our poetic licenses among other freedoms/privileges being currently suspended globally.)

However, Wim Hof (https://healthfreedom.info/WIM%20HOF%20METHOD%20Feb%202020.htm) would be more likely to say "Breathe Motherf**ker, just do it!" Here we go. Fully in--belly out, diaphram down, chest expanding, shoulders lifting...and let it go. As long as we can keep doing that, we are probably doing goodly (poetic license hereby invoked).

[spade]

EuWo5lmWuZI


Don't take any Anti-Inflammatory Drugs this season! They cause the deaths. Panadol / Tylenol to reduce fever is okay. My hunch is the old folks in Italy are taking boatloads of anti-inflammatory drugs causing massive deaths?

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Dan said: "Within an hour of giving it to her, she dropped dramatically.

“She was panting while trying to breathe, her heart rate was very rapid, she couldn’t keep her eyes open, couldn’t lift her head up, her body was shaking, she started being sick on herself and her temperature had risen to 39.4!

"We called back up and they sent out an emergency ambulance, once the paramedics got here they managed to bring her temp and stats down a bit, they’re still higher than normal but not dangerous high anymore.

"Now she’s back on Calpol, she’s back to just being her poorly self.

"The paramedics only told us while here that we're not to give her ibuprofen."

Confusingly, NHS advice goes against this health warning.

It has advised that ibuprofen could be used to tackle symptoms of coronavirus.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/health/dads-coronavirus-warning-four-year-21705651

[wondering]

Hi Helium, Welcome to the Forum. I think I understand the excitement (my word) of facing something so potentially enormous at this later stage of life. We have never had so much experience and maturity as we have now. It feels like the culmination of something, but not the end. Diane

[ExomatrixTV]

Global Covid-19 Lockdown
F3avn2K8yng

[TrumanCash]

The Coronavirus Hoax (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/)

Here is Ron Paul's viewpoint in his Weekly Column March 16, 2020 (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/):




Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.

It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.

Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.

State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.

The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.

On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.” He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.

Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over this?

If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.

The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.
Copyright © 2020 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.
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[TrumanCash]

I would add to post #1260 above Wim Hof breathing and cold therapy (https://healthfreedom.info/WIM%20HOF%20METHOD%20Feb%202020.htm) which has been shown scientifically to greatly enhance the immune system. The breathing exercises are easy to learn. Both breathing and cold showers are free.

And if one has been wanting to totally exclude sugar in all its forms (including fructose) from one's diet, now is the time. I would also add eating only whole foods and staying totally away from packaged foods and eating healthy fats like fish oils, olive oil, flax seed oil, etc.

Wim Hof just sent out an email regarding the coronavirus. I have copied the entire email below but have placed the more important parts in bold.

The main change is that they are not recommending the cold therapy with the breathing if you're not feeling well--only the breathing. The most important sentence being: "Now, if you’re not feeling too well, and you’re looking to use the Wim Hof Method to fight off the infection: do not do the cold training parts of the method."





It’s been a turbulent few weeks, and it will be a while before the skies clear and things return to normal.

We wanted to reach out to our community and update you on what this ongoing situation means for us as a company, and for you as a Wim Hof Method practitioner.

Following calls for social distancing to limit the spread of the COVID-19 virus, we have postponed or cancelled all live events with Wim that were scheduled for March through May. WHM Instructors have been briefed with protocols, and asked to host activities with discretion. As of right now, the Summer Expedition is set to go ahead as scheduled. If there are any changes to this or updates about the events, we will let you know right away.

Although congregating in large groups is discouraged, practicing the Wim Hof Method is actually precisely what you want to be doing in these challenging times. For one, WHM breathing wards off stress. Do a couple rounds of breathing, and feel yourself take a sobering step back from all the pandemonium.

The 2014 Radboud study showed that WHM practice upregulates your immunity by increasing the production of white blood cells and B-lymphocytes. These are the little critters that protect you from foreign marauders such as viruses. WHM practice won’t keep COVID-19 from invading your body, but a strengthened immune system means a bigger arsenal to combat the infection, and therefore fewer and less severe symptoms.

Now, if you’re not feeling too well, and you’re looking to use the Wim Hof Method to fight off the infection: do not do the cold training parts of the method. When you’re sick, your immune system has its hands full just fighting off the virus. If you then expose yourself to the cold, you add another stressor, forcing the immune system to divide its capacity and fight a war on two fronts. We all know how that worked out in the past.

Furthermore, please don’t see Wim Hof Method practice as an adequate substitute for medical treatment. If you exhibit symptoms associated with COVID-19 (a dry cough, fever), seek medical attention and follow the directions of your local health authority.

Everybody can benefit, so be proactive in recommending the WHM to friends and family. The Wim Hof Method is very accessible and we offer many avenues for practice. There is the free app available on the Google Play and Apple stores; the guided breathing bubble on YouTube; and our free MiniClass. This is a great moment to fire up your video course and rekindle your WHM practice.
With bars and gyms closed, you have ample time to do so.

However you choose to spend your time, please do what you can to help curb the spread of the virus. Follow the established protocols: wash your hands frequently and avoid touching your face; limit physical contact and avoid public gatherings. We all must do our part in relieving the mounting pressure that is being put on our healthcare systems. Let’s do all we can.

Stay strong, stay happy, and stay or get healthy,


Wim & the WHM team

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: UK releases 'unprecedented' financial measures worth 15% of GDP

For once the UK Government seem to be doing the right thing and not too little too late.
We will have to see how effective these measures and financial aid are.
Chris

The UK government has just unleashed an ‘unprecedented’ set of financial measures to help the UK economy tackle the impact from the coronavirus.

UK chancellor Rishi Sunak said that while the coronavirus “will not be overcome by a single [financial] package,” it will take a “collective national effort.”

He said that the UK government wants to “reassure that this government will give you all the tools you need to get through this.”

He added that the coronavirus pandemic wasn’t just a “health emergency” but also “an economic emergency.”

The package is worth 15% of UK GDP, up from a package announced last week worth 1% of GDP, and include:

£330bn government-back loans and guarantees: This will be available for all sizes of businesses to help them pay wages, suppliers, and keep afloat during turbulent times.

Business interruption loan scheme: For smaller businesses, of up to £5m each.

£25,000 cash grants: This will be available for smaller businesses who don't have insurance.

£10,000 cash grants: These will be available for the smallest of firms — for example, small family-run businesses.

Three-month mortgage holidays: All mortgage lenders will now provide three-month mortgage holidays for those that need them.

Business rate holiday: There will be an extension of this from the Budget announcement.

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-uk-releases-unprecedented-set-financial-measures-to-tackle-covid-19-economic-impact-172250683.html

[onevoice]

Coronavirus
Illinois Mayor Grants Herself Power to Ban Guns During Coronavirus Pandemic

Champaign, Illinois mayor Deborah Frank Feinen signed an executive order giving herself the power to order the seizure of firearms, ammunition, alcohol and gasoline during the coronavirus pandemic.

The executive order also enables the government to “take possession of private property” and cut off an individual’s access to gas, water or electricity.

The city promised to “keep the public’s best interest in mind” while also handing itself the power to shut down all liquor stores and bars, although Gov. J.B. Pritzker has already ordered the shut down of all bars and schools across Illinois until March 30.


https://summit.news/2020/03/16/illinois-mayor-grants-herself-power-to-ban-guns-during-coronavirus-pandemic/

That article is inflammatory and gross mischaracterization of the executive order the mayor signed. Nowhere in the executive order does it mention the power to order "seizure of firearms, ammunition, alcohol and gasoline during the coronavirus pandemic". Most likely, the author of the article is using creative interpretation of the phrase "to take possession of any real or personal property of any person". However, the following paragraph to this section of the executive order makes it clear that this is referring to a real property such as a land, real estate or a building for emergency use by the city. This seems to me to be a reasonable power that any city mayor may invoke during situations of emergency such as the current Covid-19 outbreak pursuant to existing law that allows such action.

Here is the relevant section of the executive order she signed:

(6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of
explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;
(7) Order the control, restriction and regulation within the City by rationing, issuing
quotas, fixing or freezing prices, allocating the use, sale or distribution of food, fuel,
clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services or the necessities of life;
(8) (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any
real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest
as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of
and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of
the disaster, or the effects thereof;
(b) In the event any real or personal property is utilized by the City, the City shall
be liable to the owner thereof for the reasonable value of the use or for just
compensation as the case may be.

Link to the Executive Order: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wandtv.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/51/551ced24-6535-11ea-9826-4f4fd396dacb/5e6b960454b21.pdf.pdf