The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

[Pam]

Breathe deep the gathering gloom


My first post; my first potential novel coronavirus.

Sent my application in yesterday on my 70th birthday to join the Avalon forum. Same day had my first symptoms, out of nowhere. Most likely, if this turns out to be actual COVID and I have tests done, the vector was the county courthouse when I walked in less than a week ago to purchase license tabs for my car. Very sick employees in cramped spaces. I was appalled. Should have ran but it was too late. Otherwise I’ve been a shut-in for nearly the past year, so very little exposure. Attempting to raise awareness in this small community I live in is challenging.

We will see how things go from here.

It would be easy to pass off the irony of milestone birthday, acceptance into the Avalon community, and the onset of these symptoms all in one glorious day. And glorious it is/was. No sarcasm intended.

Irony, synchronicity - isn’t it strange that out of so many worlds and dimensions open for participation that this particular one we inhabit has as part of it’s substructure such an ephemeral phenomena? So many think they are in control when unrestrained control seems the antithesis of the kind of growth that’s intended to take place here. Yet exert a certain control we must, then either suffer or celebrate the consequences that follow. Either way, through pain or joy, we will learn. Best that choices are made with the understanding that pain and joy are intricately entwined. Neither is what they appear to be.

Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

Can’t get past the strong sense that I was groomed for this scenario that’s facing the world today. It’s energizing, uplifting, and reeking of raw inspiring challenge.

So when I use the eerie but familiar words breathe deep the gathering gloom they are not intended to incite fear or dread. Reverence is more inline with my thinking – reverence for the unique opportunities that present themselves is more in line with life paths traveled with awareness, empathy, and insatiable curiosity. I’m thinking more in terms of open acceptance, now that I have something tangible to center my attention on.

Symptoms are mild. Noticed lightheadedness, a bit dizzy washing dishes. Have to sit now and then to be certain I don’t fall. Pulse rate quite elevated even at rest. Temperature up two degrees above my advanced-age normal which is around 96 to 97. Tightness and minor aching across chest. No breathing problems. Mental acuity and concentration are definately impaired. Alternate chills and sweats. Sweating like a pig at this very moment (apologies to all you swine out there. Do you actually sweat?). Could just be the boring old flu. Testing is available here if necessary. All necessary preparations and treatments have been underway.

Off to the races, in more ways than one!

At 20 years old I wouldn’t have had the experience to embrace this sort of thing like I do now. Not saying anyone else should adopt my views.

What a topic for a first post! Welcome to the forum Helium, we are really happy to have you! Keep us posted.

[ExomatrixTV]

This Project Avalon Forum thread alone has now reached over 2000 (mostly content based) replies/responses and Bill Ryan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?u=6) has studied them all ... (let that sink in for a moment ... :pray::faint2::wacko2::unsure: )

But Bill (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?u=6) says he is okay with that see this link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341375&viewfull=1#post1341375) :sun:

cheers,
John



From Bill: Well, 2000 posts over 57 days is only 35 posts a day. :P

[samildamach]

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. It can't work. It'd collapse (maybe destroy) the National Health Service, and hundreds of thousands (maybe over a million) would die.

Herd immunity in the end, very probably, after the forest has finally stopped burning. But he might not win the next election. :)

They forecast 250000 deaths based on herd immunity model bill,that may well have been optimistic on a best case scenario

[Pam]

This Project Avalon Forum thread alone has now reached over 2000 (mostly content based) replies/responses and Bill Ryan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?u=6) has studied them all ... (let that sink in for a moment ... :pray::faint2::wacko2::unsure: )

But Bill (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?u=6) says he is okay with that see this link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341375&viewfull=1#post1341375) :sun:

cheers,
John

My dear John, you have been as tireless a warrior for providing truth and information as Bill! I sometimes marvel at all the information on 5G you have assimilated. You know, sometimes an event occurs and someones got to go after the truth of the matter.

[scotslad]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/17/14/26075660-0-image-m-29_1584456771223.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8121079/How-worlds-major-cities-responding-coronavirus.html

[norman]

I'm worried ( and a bit saddened ) that quite a few American constitutionalists are doing to the future and longevity of that wonderful founding principle what those same people often say Trump has trapped the MSM and the political left into do to themselves.

[IChingUChing]

In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

[happyuk]

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. It can't work. It'd collapse (maybe destroy) the National Health Service, and hundreds of thousands (maybe over a million) would die.

Herd immunity in the end, very probably, after the forest has finally stopped burning. But he might not win the next election. :)

He seems to have backed down quickly.

A lot of frequent-flyer VIPs are getting sick, many of them over 70, and they want this thing stopped NOW.

[thepainterdoug]

norman / can you better explain this? " I'm worried ( and a bit saddened ) that quite a few American constitutionalists are doing to the future and longevity of that wonderful founding principle what those same people often say Trump has trapped the MSM and the political left into do to themselves.
Parent Post"

how are you feeling?

[norman]

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. It can't work. It'd collapse (maybe destroy) the National Health Service, and hundreds of thousands (maybe over a million) would die.

Herd immunity in the end, very probably, after the forest has finally stopped burning. But he might not win the next election. :)

He seems to have backed down quickly.

A lot of frequent-flyer VIPs are getting sick, many of them over 70, and they want this thing stopped NOW.

But it can't be, the UK "policy" isn't really a policy, it's mealy mouthed admin turdspeak for "Sorry Folks we effed up, it's too late do anything about it now"

[Caliban]

People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.

Copyright © 2020 by RonPaul Institute.

Repeat: They never give our freedoms back.

Maybe this is just the WAKE UP CALL some people needed. Thank you Dr. Paul.

[happyuk]

Boris Johnson seems to be banking somewhat on the herd immunity strategy. It can't work. It'd collapse (maybe destroy) the National Health Service, and hundreds of thousands (maybe over a million) would die.

Herd immunity in the end, very probably, after the forest has finally stopped burning. But he might not win the next election. :)

He seems to have backed down quickly.

A lot of frequent-flyer VIPs are getting sick, many of them over 70, and they want this thing stopped NOW.

But it can't be, the UK "policy" isn't really a policy, it's mealy mouthed admin turdspeak for "Sorry Folks we effed up, it's too late do anything about it now"

Unless their "policy" is sticking to a suitably vague "plan" - escalate when circumstances and evidence shows the need according to a predetermined but flexible strategy.

Just had another thought. Suppose our weather changes such that rather than those nice crisp Winter days followed by warm, dry Summers we get a lot more rain throughout the year. It is inconceivable that, rather than occurring every ten or more years, this kind of entertainment will come along every year.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency

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I just noticed Pam's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341493&viewfull=1#post1341493), two above this one, of Tucker Carlson. He is essentially saying the same thing - we are heading for an economic disaster much worse than the epidemiological once, if we put our planet in shutdown.

Seems like Karl Denninger is going along with that same line of thinking. Here is his latest video with some very salient points:
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[iamofopenmind]

It's all about the wonga. It seems no major economy had a pot to piss in for years, all of a sudden trillions of dollars/pounds are being found by all the major economic powers. Ask yourself where the hell is all this money coming from. Somethings afoot here folks and it's not good.

[Delight]

Breathe deep the gathering gloom


My first post; my first potential novel coronavirus.
............
Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?
...........
Can’t get past the strong sense that I was groomed for this scenario that’s facing the world today. It’s energizing, uplifting, and reeking of raw inspiring challenge.
...........
Off to the races, in more ways than one!


welcome to the forum. I feel proud to be a part of a group of people who are concerned, intelligent and open to new ways of thinking and being. Hope some of the remedies shared may assist you.

I am very struck by a chord chiming your post. I feel that in some way this is a time that I have been waiting to be in. My personal metaphor is that the shell thin matrix IS CRACKING and that the light is streaming in more than ever. I am excited about the possibility of sanity underneath the chaos.

I want to share a statement that affirms IMO THIS IS IT. Keep doing our work and it bears fruit!! Note that the exact "what" is not the point. It is turning to the source of the projection we experience as a world and cooperating with that source consciously IMO. Much love to you and all of us as we have a GREAT day.

Joe Dispenza echos that we are the ones.....

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[Caliban]

Some key take-aways from Max's video (very good btw) at http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341557&viewfull=1#post1341557

7:54: "The fact that they've used 'corona virus' for this world pandemic, means that it'll never go away. It'll be like a war on terror."

24:43: "Everything we said is gonna come -- is here."

24:24: "This could be a huge opportunity for us to really wake up to ourselves and to bring the world into some sort of order."

26:58: "It would not surprise me at all to see the final stages of this electromagnetic control grid being rolled out while everybody's locked inside."

27:40: "The most important thing you can do is stay calm. Stay focused. Look out for yourself. Look out for your family. Don't trust the government. Don't take their vaccinations."

[Delight]

There are some really sound ideas presented here.
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I think we all need to put these ideas together I hope everyone watches both these videos

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[Bill Ryan]

At 1.38 in the video embedded below (his update for today), Dr John Campbell reads an email he received from an Italian Nurse. Here's the transcript.

I'd very much like every single person who sees this post to stop and read it from start to finish.

I wonder what Jon Rappoport, Karl Denninger or Max Igan would say to this woman if they had the courage to speak with her in person.

~~~
We are running out of time. There is not enough beds to admit more sick people. We're also running out of personal protective equipment and we have to re-use it.

And very often the personal protective equipment is not suitable and does not fully protect us. We are in constant danger. We are aware we could be infected at any time and also bring the virus in our homes and infect our loved ones.

Work is so exhausting and demanding that there is no even time to cry. Only at the end of an endless shift completely depleted of any strength we allow ourselves to cry.

We witness continuous death but no funerals can be held and people only grieve isolated and locked in.

We are worn out, exhausted, and small in number. In the hospitals and on the ground among the population we reach people's homes like soldiers at the front without protection in the region where health assistance requires far too many to be fulfilled.

We are alone. If we don't stop this avalanche we will pay the highest toll — the failure of our civilized system and anything for which life has meaning.

We are in desperate need of hospitals, doctors, nurses right now. Not tomorrow. We need qualified personnel, not improvised young people thrown at the front like soldiers.

Dear citizens, we also need you to lock yourselves in. Any time you go outside you open the door for the virus. We can't afford this any more. Time is up.
~~~


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0Cqlf5xK4

[greybeard]

Coronavirus myths debunked by the World Health Organization

Worth checking this
The virus has less severe symptoms than cold or flu according to this report.
The main difference is the shortness of breath.
Chris

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/coronavirus-covid19-myths-world-health-organization-174131640.html

[Chester]

This just out - source Reuters (citing the source referenced in the article - NIAID)

New coronavirus can persist in air for hours and on surfaces for days: study (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/new-coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP)

(Reuters) - The highly contagious novel coronavirus that has exploded into a global pandemic can remain viable and infectious in droplets in the air for hours and on surfaces up to days, according to a new study that should offer guidance to help people avoid contracting the respiratory illness called COVID-19.

Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, attempted to mimic the virus deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or hospital setting, such as through coughing or touching objects.

They used a device to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the microscopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze.

The scientists then investigated how long the virus remained infectious on these surfaces, according to the study that appeared online in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday - a day in which U.S. COVID-19 cases surged past 5,200 and deaths approached 100.

The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours.

On plastic and stainless steel, viable virus could be detected after three days. On cardboard, the virus was not viable after 24 hours. On copper, it took 4 hours for the virus to become inactivated.

In terms of half-life, the research team found that it takes about 66 minutes for half the virus particles to lose function if they are in an aerosol droplet.

That means that after another hour and six minutes, three quarters of the virus particles will be essentially inactivated but 25% will still be viable.

The amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour will be down to 12.5%, according to the research led by Neeltje van Doremalen of the NIAID’s Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories.

On stainless steel, it takes 5 hours 38 minutes for half of the virus particles to become inactive. On plastic, the half-life is 6 hours 49 minutes, researchers found.

On cardboard, the half-life was about three and a half hours, but the researchers said there was a lot of variability in those results “so we advise caution” interpreting that number.

The shortest survival time was on copper, where half the virus became inactivated within 46 minutes.

[sllim11]

I will be thoroughly disgusted and heartbroken if we eventually find out that this global lockdown didn't actually include executive jets and 'special people'.

hey norman. i'm in los angeles and know a few different people, just through knowing parents at my kids school, that are indeed taking their private planes places. one family going to montana where they have a ranch. the others are similar situations.

i have no idea if they can fly out of the country though?

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for today. He reports a new study that indicates that over 50% of cases are asymptomatic — NOT a good thing (they're fine, of course, but they spread it everywhere) — and after that, a significant amount of the video analyzes a new report that seems might be influencing many governments' [lack of] decisions. It's complicated, and worth watching and following carefully.

Two of the take-aways are: (these are my own words)


If lockdowns are implemented too early, then because they have to be lifted sometime, if the timing is wrong the virus will just continue to spread having merely been put on pause.
The decision governments have to make is to identify the least-worst scenario: i.e. deciding on an "acceptable number of deaths". The healthcare systems will be overwhelmed anyway.

In the last segment of the video, Chris has quite a few unkind (but utterly warranted) words about the global financial system and the iniquity of bailouts for fat cats. (Again, my words, but his feelings are clear.) Go, Chris. :muscle:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhsNdW24BM

[rgray222]

I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5) reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir. Paterson told the outlet that it seemed reasonable to call the drugs “a treatment or a cure … It’s a potentially effective treatment. Patients would end up with no viable coronavirus in their system at all after the end of therapy.”

Paterson, who also works as an infectious disease physician at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital, said one of the drugs, given to some of the first victims of COVID-19 in Australia, resulted in the “disappearance of the virus” and complete recovery.

“Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of skepticism,” said Paterson. “That first wave of Chinese patients we had (in Australia), they all did very, very well when they were treated with the HIV drug. That’s reassuring … that we’re onto something really good here.”

“What we want to do at the moment is a large clinical trial across Australia, looking at 50 hospitals, and what we’re going to compare is one drug, versus another drug, versus the combination of the two drugs,” said Paterson, adding there is a “long experience of them being very well tolerated” and no unexpected side effects.

“We’re not on a flat foot, we can sort of move ahead very rapidly with enrolling Australians in this trial,” he said. “It’s the question we all have – we know it’s coming now, what is the best way to treat it? We want to give Australians the absolute best treatment rather than just someone’s guesses or someone’s anecdotal experiences from a few people.”


Lopinavir/ritonavir, the anti-HIV drug being tested, is most commonly sold under the name Kaletra. It is an antiviral medication which can be taken twice a day by people infected with HIV in order to reduce levels of the virus circulating in the body. Regular use of the medication is intended to stop HIV progressing to AIDS, which is fatal, and may also reduce the risk of people transmitting the infection to others.

It is a type of drug called a protease inhibitor, which works by stopping viruses from using an enzyme called protease, which is vital for them to be able to spread. Without protease viruses cannot make the fully-matured clones that they need to be able to infect other healthy cells, so the infection can’t spread … Kaletra is approved for use in the U.S., Europe and Australia.
Of Chloroquine, The Daily Mail added, “It has also been found to be able to destroy viruses, and scientists found in lab tests that it could be effective against the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). It is already widely used as an antimalarial for travelers and is also approved in the UK for use on people with rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.”

Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/australian-infectious-disease-expert-we-may-have-a-cure-for-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR3CLTkMkXr1vL8QEhp1pTxUTgUjnSe8bCrQE08xVVdRKSfeJyfP0dLFGjk

[Franny]

Regarding protease inhibitors:


I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.


Lopinavir/ritonavir, the anti-HIV drug being tested, is most commonly sold under the name Kaletra. It is an antiviral medication which can be taken twice a day by people infected with HIV in order to reduce levels of the virus circulating in the body. Regular use of the medication is intended to stop HIV progressing to AIDS, which is fatal, and may also reduce the risk of people transmitting the infection to others.

It is a type of drug called a protease inhibitor, which works by stopping viruses from using an enzyme called protease, which is vital for them to be able to spread. Without protease viruses cannot make the fully-matured clones that they need to be able to infect other healthy cells, so the infection can’t spread … Kaletra is approved for use in the U.S., Europe and Australia.

Of Chloroquine, The Daily Mail added, “It has also been found to be able to destroy viruses, and scientists found in lab tests that it could be effective against the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). It is already widely used as an antimalarial for travelers and is also approved in the UK for use on people with rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.”

Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/australian-infectious-disease-expert-we-may-have-a-cure-for-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR3CLTkMkXr1vL8QEhp1pTxUTgUjnSe8bCrQE08xVVdRKSfeJyfP0dLFGjk

For those who are at home and may be interested in a more natural approach a little research reveals a few choices, as well as pineapple and papaya.


Soybeans and Other Legumes

Legumes, and especially soybeans, are an abundant source of natural protease inhibitors, according to the book "Pathology for the Health Professions" by Dr. Ivan Damjanov 1⭐ (https://healthfully.com/489325-foods-that-increase-the-activity-of-natural-killer-cells.html#)

Some research suggests that protease inhibitors found in soybeans may play a role in soy's anti-cancer properties, according to Damjanov, and may help protect against certain cancers such as breast and colon. The particular protease inhibitor found in soy, called Bowman-Birk, appears to help prevent tumor formation, according to "Pathology for the Health Professions".

Potato Tubers

Another natural source of protease inhibitors is the potato, according to a review published in the June 2009 issue of the International Journal of Molecular Sciences 2⭐ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2705521/)

International Journal of Molecular Sciences: Protease Inhibitors From Plants With Antimicrobial Activity

. The authors of the review write that protease inhibitors from potatoes are shown to suppress tumor growth in clinical research settings. In addition, potato protease inhibitors suppress a hormone responsible for stimulating appetite. For this reason, the authors state that potato protease inhibitors may be useful at suppressing appetite. More research is needed to understand how well it works, however.

Green Tea

Antioxidant compounds in green tea called catechins produce protease-inhibiting activity, according to a study published in the April 2003 edition of the journal Antiviral Research 3⭐ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12742577)

The major catechin in green tea is epigallocatechin gallate, or EGCG. The protease-inhibiting activity of green tea catechins is also reportedly involved in green tea's anti-cancer benefits, according to the authors. The natural protease inhibitors in green tea may suppress infection by other pathogens, such as the flu virus and the adenovirus 3⭐ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12742577)

These pathogens commonly cause respiratory infection in children.

Blue-Green Algae

Though more common in Asian cuisine than American, blue-green algae is a nutrient-dense food and supplement. In addition to its vitamin and mineral content, blue-green algae contains protease inhibitors, according to the October 2008 issue of the journal Microbiology and Biotechnology 4⭐ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12742577)

In fact, according to the authors, blue-green algae is a rich source of highly potent protease inhibitors. The authors confirm that protease inhibitors have potential anti-cancer benefits, as cancer cells are more sensitive to the suppression of protein than normal cells.

The Wrap Up
Protease inhibitors disable enzymes that microbes such as bacteria, viruses and fungi need to flourish. For this reason, natural and synthetic protease inhibitors are used to prevent and treat certain conditions and diseases. Some research suggests that protease inhibitors found in soybeans may play a role in soy's anti-cancer properties, according to Damjanov, and may help protect against certain cancers such as breast and colon. For this reason, the authors state that potato protease inhibitors may be useful at suppressing appetite. Antioxidant compounds in green tea called catechins produce protease-inhibiting activity, according to a study published in the April 2003 edition of the journal Antiviral Research. **

Also see:

Curcumin blocks HIV protease inhibitor ritonavir-induced vascular dysfunction in porcine coronary arteries. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15922191)

[Ben]

Coronavirus: What Has It Revealed? | Russell Brand

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So, so spot on.
I've been listening to Russell brand's podcasts lately an, and they're full of great insight and with great minds.
After watching this video, his standing has increased so much more in my mind.
Acceptance, good will, and compassion for one another is the key right now.

I feel this is the mass awakening event we've all been waiting for.
Embrace it with love.

The end of (sick society) times was never going to be painless.
Love to all, we can create a better world out of all this madness, if we work together.
We are all the embodiment of infinite potential, so let's use that unique ability.
It's time to reimagine our shared reality for the better.

The people who need our love most in these times, are the very ones who are responsible for this nulti-faceted mess we now find ourselves in. Ml
Again, love to all.

[Ben]

In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

I appreciate the horror of what the implications of what you are relating are.
It seems to me, that reactions such as this, are a display of the different stages of grief that people are going through.
Once acceptance is reached, folk will be in a place of calm compassion, from which they will be able to be of help to others.
The truth is indeed outing.

[Ben]

Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-deaths-trump-stock-market-pandemic-economy-bankrupt-italy-a9394891.html

Coronavirus’s economic danger is exponentially greater than its health risks to the public. If the virus does directly affect your life, it is most likely to be through stopping you going to work, forcing your employer to make you redundant, or bankrupting your business.

The trillions of dollars wiped from financial markets this week will be just the beginning, if our governments do not step in. And if President Trump continues to stumble in his handling of the situation, it may well affect his chances of re-election. Joe Biden in particular has identified Covid-19 as a weakness for Trump, promising “steady, reassuring” leadership during America’s hour of need.

Worldwide, Covid-19 has killed 4,389 with 31 US deaths as of today. But it will economically cripple millions, especially since the epidemic has formed a perfect storm with stock market crashes, an oil war between Russia and Saudi Arabia, and the spilling over of an actual war in Syria into another potential migrant crisis.

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck; and startups and growing businesses like mine could end up paying the price.

Just as important as fighting the virus — if not more important — is vaccinating our economies against the incoming pandemic of panic. Human suffering can come in the form of illness and death. But it can also be experienced as not being able to pay the bills or losing your home.

Small businesses in particular are struggling as supply chains dry up, leaving them without products or essential materials. Factory closures in China have led to a record low in the country’s Purchasing Manager’s Index which measures manufacturing output. China is the world’s largest exporter and is responsible for a third of global manufacturing, so China’s problem is everyone’s problem — even in the midst of a trade war between the White House and Beijing.

All this makes it even more worrying that governments continue to see this as a health crisis, not an economic one. It is time the economists took over from the doctors, before the real pandemic spreads.

It is difficult to imagine Italy not entering a recession (the world’s ninth largest economy is now on lockdown). It is also difficult to imagine that failing to affect Europe and its largest trading partner, the United States. And it is impossible to see how any of this will not add up to a global downturn, unless governments step in faster and harder than they did 12 years ago during the last financial crisis.

The stakes are higher this time, because there seems to be a coordinated effort to economically hurt many Western countries, and warn them away from the aggressive trade policies that Trump has so enthusiastically adopted.

Although China bore the brunt of the virus’s economic and human cost, many in Beijing will see a silver lining in the weakening of the US economy, and a distraction from Trump’s trade wars that appeared to be escalating with no end in sight.

Almost perfectly synchronized with the coronavirus, a Russia-Saudi oil war has erupted. In the short-term, both Moscow and Riyadh can afford the 30 per cent overnight drop in the oil price. But America’s shale gas business cannot: The more expensive process of fracking means that much of the US oil sector will simply not exist if oil prices stay at historic lows, leading to shut downs, job losses and perhaps even state-level recessions.

President Trump has pushed through overdue payroll tax cuts and help for hourly workers — measures that will help both employers and employees survive. In the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak today unveiled a ‘Coronavirus Budget’. But everyone needs to think bigger if they want to properly deal with how this new factor changes the status quo.

This is about much more than coronavirus, oil prices, or even the global economy. This is about the balance of power between East and West. The epicenter of this has been, for the last 10 years, Syria. After a decade of conflict on the ground, the face-off seems to have now escalated from proxy war to economic conflict.

The emerging superpowers of Russia and China witnessed what many saw as American irrelevance in Syria. And they are now trying to cement their vision of a truly multi-polar world. Rather than allowing US ally Saudi Arabia to lead the oil markets through the OPEC cartel, Russia and China want to reshape global markets — and power balances — to their advantage.

To survive these shifts, the US, UK and others will need to protect the future of their businesses, large and small, and look for opportunities to benefit from the new economic world order, not deny it. Ignoring these changes will be even more damaging than any flu pandemic.

--- Appending to Post ---

I just noticed Pam's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341493&viewfull=1#post1341493), two above this one, of Tucker Carlson. He is essentially saying the same thing - we are heading for an economic disaster much worse than the epidemiological once, if we put our planet in shutdown.

Creative bartering looks like being the only way forward.

[iamofopenmind]

Just received an email off a friend with some interesting insights, make of it what you will:-

COVID-19 Why we are right to be scared, and what we can do about it. A thread that I first posted on Twitter, replicated here.

Who the hell am I? I’m a former Army officer who runs a charity these days, and isn’t a scientist.




I’ve an Environmental Sciences BSc sure, but not ‘an expert’ virologist, epidemiologist, or human factors guy. But - I do speak the language, and I am an expert on where the right answers lie.

From 2000 on I trained at Porton Down to specialise in chemical, biological & radiological warfare, deploying in support of UK interests around the world. Christmas 2000 on the Iraq border commanding manned biological detection systems, and things got really busy in 2001.

I started 2001 tracking the virology of F&M in the fields of Cumbria and Devon, but by end of the year I was in Kabul, dealing with some extraordinary challenges, including unsecured Russian Cobalt-60 sources, and Anthrax veterinary vaccine production facilities.

By 03 I was a Major, Chief of Staff to Dep Comd of the Iraq Survey Group. The bloke showing Dr David Kelly around Baghdad days before he returned to face enquiry. I’m not a blind government fanboy. Let's say I learnt the dangers of conflating politics & science the hard way.

I was on the staff at Porton Down, working on a host of projects including planning for military aid to civil authorities, incl pandemics.
So, COVID-19
Scary, isn’t it? I think so too.
There’s also an abundance of information out there, and you’ve questions.
I’ve an answer.

The teams behind the Chief Scientific Advisor are extraordinary.
They are genuinely the world leaders in their fields, and they are ridiculously good at their jobs.
They aren’t googling the answers, or parroting a line that they just heard from a pushy presenter on TV.

The plans for this stuff are incredibly comprehensive, and help a government to act decisively, and at the right time.
So much in response is about timing – and too soon can be more dangerous than too late.
Look at the second (winter) wave of Spanish flu (graph from CDC)

That long game is what they - the experts are considering now.
Pictures of smiling Chinese people removing masks are propaganda, not science. That’s designed to cause an emotional response, and not in your interests
Success of early containment can only be judged in years.

We – in the UK, right now, are doing incredibly well.
We’ll protect our vulnerable best by responding promptly when the time is right, and the people who hold that responsibility deserve our trust and our support.

That takes guts. I know that. Now, more than ever.

Government scientists, advisors and staff also have families, elderly relatives, the immunocompromised.
They aren’t automatons, they feel that weight of responsibility.

Party politics simply doesn’t come into it. It just doesn’t.

So don’t pander to it, or point score.

If your knowledge of the subject of pandemic is such that to understand the history of Spanish Flu you need to google it, then your dissent, because you are scared, has only one place.

Your inner monologue. Keep it to yourself.

Be brave. Read up on the .gov advice.

This is even more important than if you have a following for reasons other than your epidemiological expertise, so, some simple advice:

Shut the f**k up, you are scaring people.

People like Piers might have a voice, but they’d kill us all if we listened to it. Mute them.

Lastly, don’t feel bad about being scared. I’ve been scared, many times, don’t mind admitting it.

Turn off and mute the noise of those who seek personal gain by instilling fear and doubt in others. Those that pander and promote the worst in us. Be Kind.

So, look after each other, particularly those who are less able and more at risk.
Look after yourselves, your own mental as well as your physical health.

Follow the science.

Wash your hands.

Lastly, I post this from a former colleague whose opinion I greatly respect. His observations echo my own:

My views on COVID-19...

I am trained as an epidemiologist and a communicable disease physician. I have also worked in predictive modelling in healthcare and in international health systems development. I am not, however, claiming to be an expert, but I would like to make an few observations...

1... it is unwise to draw parallels from one country to another. Many factors will be different from place to place, population age structure, population density, breadth of healthcare coverage, reliability and breadth of testing facilities, reliability and breadth of contact tracing capability, stage of spread when control measures were first introduced, population mobility, and many other things.

2... epidemic curves are a base case estimate and bear little comparison with real world spread. The more a disease spreads, the less reliable they become and the more complex a situation is, the less predictive they will be.

3... In the UK, the actual experts on this sort of thing are known as "Consultants in Communicable Disease Control". In other countries there are different arrangements. While others, such as intensive care specialists, microbiologists, virologist, mathematicians, journalists, acute physicians, behavioural psychologists have a contribution to make, they are not experts on disease spread in the community and should not be regarded (or present themselves) as such

4... Almost everything that I have seen on social media is misleading and inaccurate. Some of it is extremely dangerous. If you want high quality information, you can get it from the health ministry, public health authority or health system of the country you are in. If you don't want to rely solely on government information, look at the official statements from reputable health orientated universities and departments. London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Johns Hopkins and the TH Chan School of Public Health at Harvard are a good place to start. The World Health Organisation has good information, but it has to work in a range of very different countries and so may not be the most practically useful for a particular country.

5... we are not testing everybody in the world, so we can't reliably measure death rates. A simple totting up of the numbers will be a massive overestimate. In addition to this, the way people are tested varies massively from place to place. A low number of cases could mean not much disease or not enough testing.

6... There are only two meaningful strategies for managing an emerging infection. The first is containment, where you isolate cases and trace and test their contacts. If spread within a community becomes too great, this strategy becomes ineffective. The second strategy is herd immunity. The basis of this is that when a certain proportion of people have become immune to an infection, it can no longer spread and so people who are not immune are protected. This is why we vaccinate children. Part of a herd immunity strategy is to protect people at particular risk of harm until lots of low risk people are immune, so the disease can't spread to the vulnerable. A herd immunity strategy is not about culling the vulnerable, it is about protecting the vulnerable. This is a new infection and we are learning about it and our immune responses over time. Strategies will change and develop as knowledge grows

7... in many outbreaks, more people die (usually of things like heart attacks and strokes) because they can't get access to healthcare than die of the infection itself. It is extremely important to make sure that health services are not overwhelmed so that people can get the help they need.

8... there are three key ways we can protect health services. Firstly we need to ensure that, if we don't need to seek healthcare we stay away. Secondly, we "flatten the curve" to stretch out the number of people getting the infection over a longer time period, so they don't all arrive at hospital at the same time. Finally we need to ensure that we have enough people to staff our health and care services. If people can't get childcare, they may not be able to work, so we must be very cautious about closing schools etc.

9... nothing is simple and every action will have risks of negative consequences that we may not initially be aware of, so if something that is obvious to you is not happening, it doesn't necessarily mean that others are stupid or wicked, it is more likely that you are missing part of the picture...

10... social isolation can do a great deal of harm to people, particularly older people and the more vulnerable. As containment and delay measures increase it will be really important that our friends, families and neighbours are supported. If we all check in on those around us, no one will suffer unnecessarily. Now is a good time to start sharing phone numbers.

11... wash your hands

[graciousb]

I am already so nostalgic for three weeks ago. Never mind many years ago when things did not feel so dystopian.

In the blink of an eye, societies worldwide locked down, economic engines switched off, all due to a sudden, unpredictable pneumonia? This feels more like a guerilla war, previously hidden and now exposed.

We've been living in such a concocted, manipulated world where nothing at all can be taken at face value, where the ''authorities'' lie on the regular, rogue agencies with limitless power and answerable to no one act as the private armies of the true puppetmasters, and we're NOW supposed to believe these same entities are now on the up and up?! How can you blame anyone for being skeptical and wondering if this is some version of a ''deep fake'' in order to herd every last one of us into the corral.

We seem to have truly gone through the looking glass. I know the thing is real, I know it's serious, but if this is the ''new normal'', living isolated and locked down, unable to congregate or do any of the things that make life worth living... then I have to ask myself if the cure is not worse than the disease. And I also wonder if it's all truly as described, why are these soldiers deployed to Europe all cheek to jowl and no protective gear, masks etc ?

I'm not afraid to die or be ill, and and I know I signed up for this timeline, but still and all I resent the F out of feeling manipulated, programmed, and surveilled, and this is just too much. I'm taking the precautions in respect to protecting others, but as far as swallowing the narrative as presented, no sale here. There has yet to be a major narrative that ''they'' have drum beat that proved truly authentic. At the end the same people always win and flourish.

I will believe its a real democratic plague when I see any of the Davos/Bilderberg crowd start dropping. The Bushes/Cheneys, Gates, Soros/Clintons, Kissingers, the banking cartels et al. If they continue with their amazing longevity and good fortune, well then...

But I really miss three weeks ago.

[Olaf]

I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5) reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir.

(...)



The effect of Chloroquine against viruses is a very important finding.
Why?

Because Chloroquine is related to vitamin D!

See this image from
https://www.vitamindservice.de/chloroquin

https://www.vitamindservice.de/sites/default/files/pictures/chloroquin-VitaminD-Coronavirus--vitaminDservice.png
The picture shows the chloroquine molecule in black with two rings and a side chain.
Vitamin D is shown in red.

The most important measure to protect yourself from Covid is high levels of vitamin D (>75 ng/ml).

Vitamin D only works if there is also enough vitamin A.
Here in Germany I always give my patients both in equal amounts, i.e. 10,000 IU vitamin A (as retinol / retinyl) per 10,000 IU vitamin D.
The body also needs magnesium so that it can store and convert vitamin D.

Protocol for raising vitamin D levels
Weight: 75 kg
Assumed start level: 20 ng / ml
Target level: 75 ng / ml
Note: Overdoses start at >150 ng / ml.

Refill phase:
40,000 IU of vitamin D + 40,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 14 days
or
80,000 IU of vitamin D + 80,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 7 days

Maintenance dose
thereafter only once a week: 35,000 IU vitamin D + 35,000 IU vitamin A

You can convert these amounts linearly to match other body weights.

Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.


Vitamin D + A also work against inflammation and are important for the brain.

update:
Dr. von Helden also developed an even stronger vitamin D + A protocol for people that already are infected with Covid-19. They should raise there levels up to the official stated maximum of 150 ng/ml.
see: https://www.vitamindservice.de/node/4324/

In my view infected people should also apply strong antioxidants like cistus tea, cysteine (if tolerable), vitamin C, curcumin, ginger and others.

[hohoemi]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.


Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

https://i.ibb.co/HHVDkLK/1-r-dd-Yho-Ut-P-se6x-NOEin-A.png
(full image) (https://miro.medium.com/max/3584/1*r-ddYhoUtP_se6x-NOEinA.png)

Another interesting page with simulations, including the relevant types of "various percentages of the population stop moving outside": https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200316&instance_id=16821&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=116689277&segment_id=22293&te=1&user_id=0bec3ef03e1ae47bb168dcdcd3dd99fc

Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.


A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars :) at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.




From Bill: Yes, Iceland has (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)



Interesting tidbit about Iceland and Austria which I learned from an Austrian newspaper podcast, summarized from memory after listening yesterday: https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000115842865/podcast-wie-das-coronavirus-von-tirol-aus-europa-infizierte

When a group of tourists returned to Iceland from one ski-region in Austria at the beginning of March and 15 of them were infected with the corona virus, Iceland declared that place in Austria a highly dangerous zone for the virus and informed Austria of the problem. The relevant local government dragged its feet, doing some meetings about it for a few days without deciding on any measures, while officially declaring that it's extremely unlikely to get infected in that area. It was only days later, after the cases in the region kept exploding, that Austria itself declared the region as dangerous - in the meantime it and several similar regions are under quarantine, see image below.

https://i.ibb.co/XFrqVqp/e05abebe-c1ee-4107-89e6-8b34acf2241c.jpg

[hohoemi]

There is now a 90-Minute test (info in German): https://www.derstandard.at/jetzt/livebericht/2000115867752/redcontent/1000183140/coronavirus-auch-soelden-und-st-christoph-unter-quarantaene-eu-beschliesst?responsive=true&responsive=false

No info whether this test is as reliable as the longer test, but given information from an official Austrian channel a few days ago about why quick tests aren't used since they are not sufficiently reliable, I'm assuming this one is good enough if it's used in Austria's main university hospital now.

Also info from a day ago from another city in Austria why the tests took such a long time there, independent of the fact of how long the test itself takes: The tests were always done in bulk, i.e. samples were collected until the machine could be filled completely, and only then the tests were run (twice per day). This info is from a doctor working there and who was himself a possible corona case and was waiting for the results. It might be obsolete again with the new tests / more corona cases to test so that the machine is filled more quickly.

[IChingUChing]

I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5) reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir.

(...)



The effect of Chloroquine against viruses is a very important finding.
Why?

Because Chloroquine is related to vitamin D!

See this image from
https://www.vitamindservice.de/chloroquin

https://www.vitamindservice.de/sites/default/files/pictures/chloroquin-VitaminD-Coronavirus--vitaminDservice.png
The picture shows the chloroquine molecule in black with two rings and a side chain.
Vitamin D is shown in red.

The most important measure to protect yourself from Covid is high levels of vitamin D (>75 ng/ml).

Vitamin D only works if there is also enough vitamin A.
Here in Germany I always give my patients both in equal amounts, i.e. 10,000 IU vitamin A (as retinol / retinyl) per 10,000 IU vitamin D.
The body also needs magnesium so that it can store and convert vitamin D.

Protocol for raising vitamin D levels
Weight: 75 kg
Assumed start level: 20 ng / ml
Target level: 75 ng / ml
Note: Overdoses start at >150 ng / ml.

Refill phase:
40,000 IU of vitamin D + 40,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 14 days
or
80,000 IU of vitamin D + 80,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 7 days

Maintenance dose
thereafter only once a week: 35,000 IU vitamin D + 35,000 IU vitamin A

You can convert these amounts to other body weights.

Vitamin D + A also work against inflammation and are important for the brain.

Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!

[ExomatrixTV]

Lets say we have a list of Top 10 best cures without any bad side-effects against any Flu Virus ... How much money & effort (by governments & "concerned agencies") would it cost to promote that on ALL mainstream media outlets VERSUS total lock-down bankrupting most of the economy (and taking away our freedoms) plus all the "after effects" of many people losing jobs, mortgages etc. etc. meanwhile the banks get 1,5 Trillion Bailout (payed by who?).

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳 March 18th, 2020

[Iloveyou]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.


Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus . . .

. . . Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.


Hi hohoemi! It‘s not the measures itself, that people have to stay home nor the self isolation which worries me. If I believed (and I guess believing, is all we can do atm, noone knows anything for sure imo) I‘d appreciate those measures all the more. But I personally am rather with the researchers on the ‚contrarian‘-thread.

What baffles me, is the fact that the governments can implement now whatever laws and measures they want and change them anytime, there‘s no limit. And it‘s just the beginning, moderatly, to get people used to it. If this goes on for months - I‘m quite sure it will - it will be devastating for all the small and for many medium-sized businesses. THEY lie through their teeth, more than ever.

And the measures seem to be coordinated worldwide, centralized, so quickly and unanimous. No different approach in different countries (except UK, still . . . ?) as one would probably expect.

The open and scary question for me remains: What happened to the people in Wuhan, Iran, Italy? What are they dying of (except age and medical preconditions) - when it‘s not because of the virus in the first place?

[Tintin]

In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

That's mind bogglingly awful :flower: Your wife is one of those who is trying to do her very best, against the very worst human behaviour too, never mind the challenges that the battle against the virus presents as well.

Try not to be scared: do the best you can to rise above it and take as high a ground as you can mentally and spiritually. And you're among friends here too, as you know. Take some of our :muscle: with you.

[Olaf]

Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!
Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.

Do NOT take magnesium sulfate.
1. It is a strong laxative - therefore it can cause deficiencies in electrolytes.
2. When possible take organic salts of trace elements, such as magnesiumorotate, -malate, -citrate - the body can absorb them much better.

[IChingUChing]

Many thanks Olaf and Tintin!!! Sending strength to everyone:thumbsup:

[Delight]

Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!
Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.

Do NOT take magnesium sulfate.
1. It is a strong laxative - therefore it can cause deficiencies in electrolytes.
2. When possible take organic salts of trace elements, such as magnesiumorotate, -malate, -citrate - the body can absorb them much better.

This is so appreciated!! Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?

[Olaf]

Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?

See one post above: better use organic salts of magnesium.

You will need magnesium only, if you have magnesium deficiency.
That will show up in symptoms like leg cramps, when you take high dosis of vitamin D, because vitamin D needs and consumes magnesium - thus increasing a possible deficiency of magnesium.

The core message is: Use vitamin D + A!

Dr. von Helden also developed an even stronger vitamin D + A protocol for people that already are infected with Covid-19. They should raise there levels up to the official stated maximum of 150 ng/ml.
see: https://www.vitamindservice.de/node/4324/

In my view infected people should also apply strong antioxidants like cistus tea, cysteine (if tolerable), vitamin C, curcumin, ginger and others.

[bogeyman]

This virus and all the advice the medical and government departments have been given to the public, and the reaction of some panic buying and selfish people will cause side effects and serious health implications to some people.

The elderly who are not has quick to get their shopping has others so they will not be able to get the basics they need because others have bulked buyed it.

Special dietary requirements those that need a certain diet for medical reasons including serous allergies to certain foods.

Eating disorders, some people can only eat certain food but not others. If people bulk buy everything it could include the food these people only eat.

The consequences may in the long term cause serious health issues and even death has a indirect result of peoples reaction to this virus and the way it is put across to us by the media, governments and the medical profession.

[helium]

Hi Helium, Welcome to the Forum. I think I understand the excitement (my word) of facing something so potentially enormous at this later stage of life. We have never had so much experience and maturity as we have now. It feels like the culmination of something, but not the end. Diane



......... I feel proud to be a part of a group of people who are concerned, intelligent and open to new ways of thinking and being. Hope some of the remedies shared may assist you.

I am very struck by a chord chiming your post. I feel that in some way this is a time that I have been waiting to be in. My personal metaphor is that the shell thin matrix IS CRACKING and that the light is streaming in more than ever. I am excited about the possibility of sanity underneath the chaos.

I want to share a statement that affirms IMO THIS IS IT. Keep doing our work and it bears fruit!! Note that the exact "what" is not the point. It is turning to the source of the projection we experience as a world and cooperating with that source consciously IMO......

I so much appreciate everyone’s response to my first post.

The only reason I’m here is for the level of maturity across the board, of all members.

Diane, when you say this feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say. I would have much to say on this subject in the right time and place. I hope to complete my profile as soon as possible. My bio would speak to this topic.

My head is buzzing and spinning so terribly that I can’t write very well. So tired of being drenched in sweat but need to be thankful for it. However, when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.

For months I’ve been thinking that the form of a think tank would be applicable. Initially a statement of intent would need to be banged out, then various concepts might gel into either divergent or parallel channels so that those who resonate with a particular tangent could work on clarifying potential insights. There are classic strategies that think tanks use. I’m really stuck on trying to figure out how to articulate methods for inspiring others to think in terms of humanity as a whole rather than concentrating on their individuality or on distinct groups. Too many seem to avoid broader conceptions of themselves in relation to humanity as an entity unto itself. It seems to me that such broad thinking is essential. Who is doing such a thing? Who is most prepared and capable of thinking in such a fashion? These questions need to be asked and answers sought. It does seem as if it’s time to initiate some movement along these lines. Perhaps PA is the place to be, eh? (admission: have traveled too much in Canadian space, or not enough)

Anyway, I did manage to get some sleep. I’m still breathing. Body temp keeps going up and down along with elevated pulse rate. Blood pressure is OK and fairly stable. O2 saturation is 96-97%. Body aches are present as well as chest tightness and some aching. Can’t think worth beans, though. Dizzy with buzzing head. I’ve been prepping the body for coronavirus since late-January. So maybe this could be worse.

One other thing. I had a stroke a bit over a year ago, although no one can tell. I resolved that relatively quickly by beginning speech and motor skills therapy on my own, beginning in intensive care. By the way, I was ridiculed by hospital staff for doing so. But I walked out on my own two weeks after being admitted with what I estimate 70% paralysis. I’m highly self-motivated. I now use the maximum dose of losartan (100mg daily). MedCram has an excellent recent video discussing ACE inhibitors (such as lisinopril) and Angiotensin Receptor Blockers (losartan). I’ve been wondering if maybe the losartan is actually occupying the ACE-2 receptors in the lungs like has been hypothesized so that COVID cannot infect. That would explain no development of major breathing problems so far – if I’m dealing with COVID.

I’ve been reading as much as I can find in the research and medical literature regarding the ARB’s such as losartan and their efficacy as a potential treatment or danger in relation to COVID. Initially I considered discontinuing losartan out of ‘an abundance of caution’ (am now hating that term). Interestingly, fairly soon after I stopped losartan to replace it with a calcium channel blocker I became immediately ill with obvious flu-like symptoms including the tight aching chest. I began taking the losartan again right way so that an illness wasn’t compounding with possible high blood pressure. Then it seems the illness had stalled, but still with what would be considered rather mild symptoms (compared to a cytokine storm or pneumonia). Too bad the clinics are so messed up and COVID testing is such a joke in the US. It would be nice to know if I’m shedding virus or not. I assume that out of an abundance of that crappy phrase that I despise I could be an asymptomatic spreader. I won’t be infecting anyone else. Like I said, I’ve anticipated all of the possibilities and have spent a month and half preparing. Even have stores of oxygen if needed. I live in a seniors only community so I’ve tried to prepare for the possibility that I’ll have to care for others. That includes a store of standard pharmaceutical medications for use in extreme life and death situations where valid medical care is not going to be available.

My disclaimer: Nobody should act on anything I say or infer without fact checking, educating oneself, then accepting responsibility for your own decisions regarding medical or mental health issues. I refuse to imply that I’m an expert in any way on any subject whatsoever.

I suspect that discussion of this nature belongs in Health and Wellness. So any further mention of my medical stuff (if any) will be posted there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZDVbqRhyM

[hohoemi]

Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.


Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus . . .

. . . Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.


Hi hohoemi! It‘s not the measures itself, that people have to stay home nor the self isolation which worries me. If I believed (and I guess believing, is all we can do atm, noone knows anything for sure imo) I‘d appreciate those measures all the more. But I personally am rather with the researchers on the ‚contrarian‘-thread.

What baffles me, is the fact that the governments can implement now whatever laws and measures they want and change them anytime, there‘s no limit. And it‘s just the beginning, moderatly, to get people used to it. If this goes on for months - I‘m quite sure it will - it will be devastating for all the small and for many medium-sized businesses. THEY lie through their teeth, more than ever.

And the measures seem to be coordinated worldwide, centralized, so quickly and unanimous. No different approach in different countries (except UK, still . . . ?) as one would probably expect.

The open and scary question for me remains: What happened to the people in Wuhan, Iran, Italy? What are they dying of (except age and medical preconditions) - when it‘s not because of the virus in the first place?

Hi Iloveyou,
I totally agree on both the possibility that things may not be as they seem, and that this may be an excuse to start implementing all kinds of control measures, not to mention that whatever vaccacine is developed in the future may be a bigger problem than the disease it's supposed to fight, or that it's a screen for sth. else people are dying of.
That being said, I haven't kept up with any of the alternative media reporting on this, other than a few quick looks at this thread, so I'm totally uninformed here other than general background knowledge on how hidden agendas tend to work. Just working with what I heard from mass media and assuming that the illness is what it seems, the implemented measures make a lot of sense. It could even be both at the same time, i.e. the illness is as portrayed and the measures help deal with it, and at the same time the virus was purposefully released to acheive certain ends and/or is being used for that after it occurred naturally.
Since I have more time to read up on stuff now, including in the "contrarian" thread you mentioned, hopefully I'll be a bit better informed soon :)

[bogeyman]

With the lock down their is less traffic, less carbon emissions also from businesses less nitrogen dioxide also.

Its less polution. Less traffic to work, less stress in traffic jams...the knock on effects are exponential.

A silver lining a lot of things that are consideted too hard to do, this has forced our hand, the way of working, travelling, socialising, the internet and new technology could improve our lifestyles and health.

[Sophocles]

Last night a scientist on TV said that Norway needs to go into full isolation and that this is kind of like war. People got scared so today in the news the question is whether or not we need more fearmongering rather than what she actually said («If the facts alarm you…»).

Thankfully she says she’s been contacted by many doctors who wishes to work with her from now on.

When speaking of ‘war’. Since 2007 Fred Kempe (https://www.cnbc.com/fred-kempe/) is the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Atlantic Council. And in his article «Op-Ed: The US should call NATO to action and defend Europe against coronavirus (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/14/op-ed-the-us-should-call-nato-to-action-and-defend-europe-against-coronavirus.html)» (March 14th) he writes that NATO should declare war on the virus:


• Trump should offer the transatlantic community an Article 5 declaration of war against this deadly pathogen.

• NATO could bend Article 5 to combat a non-state terrorist actor striking the United States, why not also to combat COVID-19.

• Given current transatlantic divisions, there is far greater need now than after 9/11 for a symbolic gesture of unity.


Meanwhile NATOs exercise Defender-Europe 20 has been modified (https://www.eur.army.mil/Newsroom/Releases-Advisories/Press-Releases-Article-View/Article/2113178/exercise-defender-europe-20-update/) (March 16th) «in size and scope» as «the linked exercises to Exercise Defender-Europe 20 - Dynamic Front, Joint Warfighting Assessment, Saber Strike and Swift Response - will not be conducted.»

RT: US halts deployment & recalls troops from NATO’s biggest drill ‘Defender Europe 2020’ due to coronavirus threat (https://www.rt.com/news/483231-us-nato-defender-drills-coronavirus/)

And regarding ‘the blame game’ secretary Pompeo telephoned a Politburo member (https://www.state.gov/secretary-pompeos-call-with-peoples-republic-of-china-politburo-member-yang-jiechi/):


Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo spoke by phone on March 16 with Yang Jiechi, Director of the Office of Foreign Affairs of the Communist Party of China. Secretary Pompeo conveyed strong U.S. objections to PRC efforts to shift blame for COVID-19 to the United States. The Secretary stressed that this is not the time to spread disinformation and outlandish rumors, but rather a time for all nations to come together to fight this common threat.

…while Trump referred to coronavirus as «Chinese virus (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-trump/china-says-trumps-chinese-virus-tweet-smears-china-idUSKBN2140XB)».


Some positive news: Xiaomi donates masks to Italy in hour of need (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/10/WS5e673eb0a31012821727dddd.html)

------------------------------------------------

Here’s the Italian doctor again, Professor Giacomo Grasselli, with an update from Italy:

Italy to 'prioritise patients with highest chance of survival' from coronavirus, says doctor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX49P1iuqPw)

lX49P1iuqPw


PS! Update from Norway: 1527 confirmed cases. 6 deaths (3 of them today).

[Pam]

In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

I think each of us will see what we are during this time. It took me so many years to wrap my head around the fact that some folks really have no empathy, they are motivated only by protecting and benefiting themselves
That is such a fear based state of mind.

[Bill Ryan]

This is straight out of Monty Python. :)

~~~

Police in Puyallup, Washington have asked criminals to stop committing crimes in light of the coronavirus epidemic. The Puyallup Police Department posted on Facebook:


“Due to local cases of #Covid-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank all the criminals in advance. We will certainly let you know when you can resume your normal criminal behavior. Until then.... #washyourhands & #behaveyourself”

[Pam]

It's all about the wonga. It seems no major economy had a pot to piss in for years, all of a sudden trillions of dollars/pounds are being found by all the major economic powers. Ask yourself where the hell is all this money coming from. Somethings afoot here folks and it's not good.

Being somewhat familiar with the financial markets in the US(no expert) one thing that I have noticed since the 2007 meltdown is that this was the first time that there was such an intense intervention to prevent markets from reflecting fair market value, which it is supposed to do. Any time the markets wanted to make an organic correction the FED stepped in and fixed things. Intuitively, that only meant that there would be no coming back from a true correction as nothing was done to correct the issues that created this in the first place. In fact the leveraging and corruption increased at record pace...it seems a there was a desperate attempt to get the greatest amount of money for the big transfer of wealth...

Is it any coincidence that markets were at a record high before the last downfall....

[Delight]

when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.

This kind of discussion would really suit me and maybe when you feel better, you might start a thread along these lines. In the immediate context, I am so grateful for advice concerning the vitamin D, A, C and other information to encourage the immune system. I can really understand that what we might call "native" Chi or energy is involved and that doing energy exercise along these lines is so important.

Given that we have been OFFICILALLY dissuaded from the idea in the US that vitamins, minerals, herbs and "complementary" medicine are valid, people who learn that THESE are the ways we will get through with our health intact now may be a super boon to sanity later. People may GROK that we have been led astray.

Will people be upset enough by the total incompetence of the government run "health departments"? This is what I am visualizing at this time... disgust with the systems that have taken over and now PROVE are paper thin, geared towards self perpetuation and not care, support, thriving.

Unfortunately in my neighborhood, some people seem oblivious STILL. Today one of the people I interact with is not even mentioning the issue as she perepares to get out after a minor surgery. I had taken her some ascorbic acid and talked about the subject but since there was no resonance, I just will stop pursuing. It may be that we have to REALLY take the BIG picture into focus. In the next year, there WILL be the need to embrace a rearrangement where lots of people are going to drop the body.


feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say.

I am feeling that metaphorically the carcass of the old paradigm needs its death and cremation. Everything I ever intellectually absorbed concerning the need to surrender to a higher power, the beauty of change, the possession of free will, the grateful heart BEFORE the manifestation, My power to create my own experience, MY role in my life as the one I have Waited For.....

These ideas are to be LIVED.

We are putting mettle to the task of redefining our lives because of SO MUCH MORE than this one wedge. May it be graceful. I sincerely believe we can choose this grace for own use. For instance, if we know that these nutrients will protect the immune system, we can utilize this knowledge and go anywhere fearlessly. I am also spending most of my mental energy repudiating the regimes. I am replacing them all with reasonable heart centered servents and I am making Tulsi Gabbard president. I have been told OVER and OVER that what we are asked to do is imagine the world as we wish it to BE. Even Jon Rappaport says that. What that means is that we have to be able to see the evil BUT LIVE IN the GOOD.

This is the time for all good men to rise to stand for their principles. That would be true anytime whenever and now.

[RogeRio]

updating news .. towards the solution

China approves coronavirus vaccine for clinical trials - state media (https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/china-approves-coronavirus-vaccine-for-clinical-trials---state-media-1.1584446927587)

China has authorised clinical trials on its first vaccine developed to combat the new coronavirus, according to a report in the ruling Communist Party's People's Daily.

The researchers are led by Chen Wei, of China's Academy of Military Medical Sciences, it said.

Russia begins testing potential coronavirus vaccine

Russian scientists have begun to test vaccine prototypes for the new coronavirus, and plan to present the most effective one by June, a laboratory chief at a state biotech institute said.

Takeda sees speedy approval of coronavirus treatment

Takeda Pharmaceutical Co. said its plasma-derived therapy against coronavirus currently in development has the potential to be among the first approved treatments for the deadly pathogen.

The Japanese pharmaceutical company could have an edge because the treatment involves a process that already has approval from regulators. The key point in negotiations with regulators for approval is whether it has the necessary concentration of the antibody, or titer, needed to fight the Covid-19 disease, said Julie Kim, Zurich-based president of Takeda's plasma-derived therapies unit.

[rgray222]

The resilence of man never ceases to amaze me. Great achievements during times of need are not uncommon. We need to start celebrating efforts such as this instead of memoralizing the efforts during times of war.

Irish-developed kit confirms infection in 15 minutes

First products could be out in just seven days

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/75f88/39046250.ece/AUTOCROP/w800/6%20NEWS-HEALTH-C-243.jpg

An Irish company is preparing to release rapid Covid-19 testing kits, which can provide results in 15 minutes and potentially act as a "clinical weapon" against coronavirus.

The tests have been developed with the same technology contained in pregnancy tests and although they are in a pilot phase, they could reduce testing times dramatically from four hours to just 15 minutes.

Assay Genie, a Reagent Genie brand, will be releasing the rapid POC (Point of Care) kit within weeks globally and already some Irish hospitals have been in touch to sample the product, according to Colm Ryan, biochemist and chief executive of Assay Genie.

The test measures one drop of blood and according to the co-founder and CTO of the company Seán Mac Fhearraigh "ultimately, we would have a clinical weapon to combat the spread of the virus".

Mr Ryan and Mr Mac Fhearraigh met at UCD when they were studying biochemistry.

They both have PhDs and were able to develop the kits after learning early on how the virus was spreading so quickly in Wuhan, China, where it was first identified.

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/695b9/39046251.ece/AUTOCROP/w800/IMG_1485.jpg

"We were working on this as soon as we found out about coronavirus, as we have contacts in China," Mr Ryan, from Co Tipperary, said. "We were ahead of the curve, due to that.

"So we worked with a partner to develop the kit to bring it to market and it's CE certified for diagnostic use in Ireland.

"We need to come together to fight this battle.

"It's similar to going through a war but we will stay together and get through it and unite."

The kit uses lateral flow technology to detect Covid-19 within just one drop of blood.

Currently, the virus is detected via an advanced molecular technique called quantitative real-time PCR, which takes four hours to deliver a result.

The Assay Genie kit uses colloidal gold immunochromatography to detect the virus and antibodies in human blood, serum and plasma.

Positive samples are shown by a colour change within the test kit.

The kit is so far a research-use only test but there have been "lots of contacts from Irish hospitals and in the UK, and round the world," Mr Ryan said.

"They're taking free tests on the first batch. We should have a consignment out in seven days.

"We are getting a lot of contacts from frontline staff, especially from pharmacies.

"We need a quick way of responding to this virus.

"There's a global shortage of raw materials for the test kits being used currently.

"And I think some people don't realise the mammoth task involved in testing."

Mr Ryan said he believes those showing symptoms should be tested and rapid testing should be used on medics who are dealing with the crisis up close.

Large companies have also shown an interest in the rapid tests, as they are concerned about having staff away from offices in self-isolation.

A rapid test for workers who may be showing cold symptoms could rule out coronavirus, or flag just when medical help is needed.

Mr Ryan also believes that anyone who is caring for the elderly and the vulnerable should also have easier access to testing.

But he says the rapid tests could only potentially be used by GPs and other medics.

Source: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-developed-kit-confirms-infection-in-15-minutes-39046582.html?fbclid=IwAR2BWFSE9B6EjZKAS6RthpSH0QseyxzBQW6ugdrt9dLVsF95XYhjpDO8d2Qhttps://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-developed-kit-confirms-infection-in-15-minutes-39046582.html?fbclid=IwAR2BWFSE9B6EjZKAS6RthpSH0QseyxzBQW6ugdrt9dLVsF95XYhjpDO8d2Q

[helium]

This is straight out of Monty Python. :)

~~~

Police in Puyallup, Washington have asked criminals to stop committing crimes in light of the coronavirus epidemic. The Puyallup Police Department posted on Facebook:


“Due to local cases of #Covid-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank all the criminals in advance. We will certainly let you know when you can resume your normal criminal behavior. Until then.... #washyourhands & #behaveyourself”



Funny, but maybe this is an intuitive response on the part of the police.

Hopefully I can put this in acceptable terms. Puyallup is host to a fairly large Native American population and a large casino nearby. Or perhaps I should say the Tribes are hosting the City of Puyallup and it’s surroundings. Now, I have a great deal of respect for the Tribes here in Washington. There is more social pressure on tribal members to behave appropriately than we exert in our non-tribal society. Tribal members have a good deal of pride in their cohesiveness and sense of social belonging. I’m trying to suggest that any potential tribal criminals are going to have greater social pressure to behave than our non-tribal criminals. The police are perhaps aware of this and are politely shouting out to tribal elders without committing outright racial profiling. This is just a thought. I’d almost make a bet that this request from the police will actually work to a greater extent than anyone might expect. At least I have hopes.

The Makah people here on the Olympic Peninsula have closed their lands recently to any but tribal members. Good for them.

[ExomatrixTV]

Coronavirus - Ticking All The Boxes For The Global Elite - David Icke:
KxVS4SV2SD0

[Kamikaze]

It's all about the wonga. It seems no major economy had a pot to piss in for years, all of a sudden trillions of dollars/pounds are being found by all the major economic powers. Ask yourself where the hell is all this money coming from. Somethings afoot here folks and it's not good.

Being somewhat familiar with the financial markets in the US(no expert) one thing that I have noticed since the 2007 meltdown is that this was the first time that there was such an intense intervention to prevent markets from reflecting fair market value, which it is supposed to do. Any time the markets wanted to make an organic correction the FED stepped in and fixed things. Intuitively, that only meant that there would be no coming back from a true correction as nothing was done to correct the issues that created this in the first place. In fact the leveraging and corruption increased at record pace...it seems a there was a desperate attempt to get the greatest amount of money for the big transfer of wealth...

Is it any coincidence that markets were at a record high before the last downfall....

They are kicking the can forward again as they did in 2008. They are not going to reform or change the system to any large degree. They are actually making it easier again and removing all and any restrictions they had implemented in the time in-between.
Restrictions to steal and scam the populace from their property isn't going to end now. It's basically encouraged right now. The rich and elite get to keep their wealth with bailouts through "force majeure" exceptions.
This crisis will only really effect the lower and middle-classes to larger extents. This will work to make the poor poorer and limit the field of middle-class wealth more and more. Unless the goal is to appease the masses with socialism the world over. (they are mostly socialist anyway)

USA is the target and those who aspire to their freedoms. It's been dismantled from within as the populace largely didn't suspect there was someone after their rights and freedoms to be removed.
There is a aspect I've noted within the capitalistic framework is you need all "educated" about the rules of the game. It's the most intelligent wins the game. When you have most of the populace completely distracted and unwitting about the framework it makes the game simple. You don't share your winning hand for others to game.
We have others who don't like the free-for-all and want to rig it in their hand. Europe is rigged, America still retains some of it's original ideals from the founders but you've lost the game at this point if I would take it today.
I would seem to be say that America is being forced to align with the ways of Europe. Your hard won Freedom is being curtailed.
It was largely done through the Education and Media with a specific agenda. From what I see today it was socialists playing the game looking at your hand.

Socialists are behind the Central banking framework in today's world. They want that position of absolute control. Free market frameworks are not tolerated, only to limited degree as far as they can keep it in control and change the rules whenever they feel like it to direct finance in whatever adventures they feel who are connected and keeping each other company can pat each others backs for their well being as masters of the populace.

Some dramatic about faces and changes would be needed to turn this around but I don't see it happening.
I've not really grasped what the next step is right now but we are still in the middle of this play at the moment with this virus. They have goals and plans for what it will end in but to what degree they succeed is kinda in the air at the moment but they have the momentum in their hands having caught most unprepared for their action.

[helium]

when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.

This kind of discussion would really suit me and maybe when you feel better, you might start a thread along these lines. In the immediate context, I am so grateful for advice concerning the vitamin D, A, C and other information to encourage the immune system. I can really understand that what we might call "native" Chi or energy is involved and that doing energy exercise along these lines is so important.

Given that we have been OFFICILALLY dissuaded from the idea in the US that vitamins, minerals, herbs and "complementary" medicine are valid, people who learn that THESE are the ways we will get through with our health intact now may be a super boon to sanity later. People may GROK that we have been led astray.

Will people be upset enough by the total incompetence of the government run "health departments"? This is what I am visualizing at this time... disgust with the systems that have taken over and now PROVE are paper thin, geared towards self perpetuation and not care, support, thriving.

Unfortunately in my neighborhood, some people seem oblivious STILL. Today one of the people I interact with is not even mentioning the issue as she perepares to get out after a minor surgery. I had taken her some ascorbic acid and talked about the subject but since there was no resonance, I just will stop pursuing. It may be that we have to REALLY take the BIG picture into focus. In the next year, there WILL be the need to embrace a rearrangement where lots of people are going to drop the body.


feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say.

I am feeling that metaphorically the carcass of the old paradigm needs its death and cremation. Everything I ever intellectually absorbed concerning the need to surrender to a higher power, the beauty of change, the possession of free will, the grateful heart BEFORE the manifestation, My power to create my own experience, MY role in my life as the one I have Waited For.....

These ideas are to be LIVED.

We are putting mettle to the task of redefining our lives because of SO MUCH MORE than this one wedge. May it be graceful. I sincerely believe we can choose this grace for own use. For instance, if we know that these nutrients will protect the immune system, we can utilize this knowledge and go anywhere fearlessly. I am also spending most of my mental energy repudiating the regimes. I am replacing them all with reasonable heart centered servents and I am making Tulsi Gabbard president. I have been told OVER and OVER that what we are asked to do is imagine the world as we wish it to BE. Even Jon Rappaport says that. What that means is that we have to be able to see the evil BUT LIVE IN the GOOD.

This is the time for all good men to rise to stand for their principles. That would be true anytime whenever and now.


Very nicely said. I’m going to make the effort to put up my biographical info today. That will be a start. There is much for me to learn about the technical aspects of the forum. I goofed this morning when attempting to post a mulit-quote and wasted a bit of Bill’s time as he repaired the error.

I was looking at ‘groups’ and imagining a group effort to address the subjects we’re speaking of now. As soon as I have a proper place to land some of my writing on these subjects it won’t take too much effort to post. Much has already been written. It simply requires editing. What really works for me is when someone asks a question. Then I’m triggered and a response simply flows. I have a post in mind that I entitle The Theater. I’d like to get it out if I can. It simply needs a proper place to land. Along with that is The Bridge. Right now I have no idea what topic to use for a new thread. Anyone with a suggestion or who is willing to begin such a thread on their own would be welcomed by me. Most of what I have to offer is based on personal experience and much of it speaks to the nature of humanity as an entity unto itself.

How are groups actually formed? Does one person begin and hope for others to join? Or is the creation of a group an actual group effort?

Please be patient and keep checking back on my profile now and then.

[bogeyman]

9n1lJks00Zohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=9n1lJks00Zo[/url]

[Innocent Warrior]

UPDATE


The RBWH Foundation has established a Coronavirus Action Fund. By Monday afternoon it had raised $30,000 of the desired $750,000 for the clinical drug trials and other related medical research.

"The trials will start as soon as funding is secured," the fund states.

DONE (https://coronavirusactionfund.blackbaud-sites.com), $1,396,073 already raised.

Confirming the trial is beginning now.

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Each infected patient will be offered the choice to receive the treatment when being admitted, at every participating hospital. Fifty hospitals were participating when the action fund was opened, which was seeking $750,000 to begin. Over 1.5 million dollars has now been raised so far, the more that’s raised, the more hospitals participate.

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Italians sharing what they would have told themselves ten days ago.

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Some memes from Twitter.

“Your grandparents were called to war, you’re being called to sit on the couch. You can do this.”

“Hope that bat was ****in’ tasty.”

“Have some high expectations for you all out there. Shakespeare wrote King Lear while in quarantine during the plague.”

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[Iloveyou]

Coronavirus cancels major military drills, gives Europe reprieve from NATO warmongering

https://www.rt.com/news/483360-nato-defender-europe-canceled-coronavirus/

Defender Europe 2020’ was supposed to be the largest NATO exercise in 25 years, encompassing smaller exercises [Dynamic Front, Joint Warfighting Assessment, Saber Strike, Swift Response] that were scheduled to take place in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia starting in April and continuing into May.

Although: Rick Rozoff, peace activist at StopNato International, thinks it’s incredibly ironic that a virus seems to have derailed, however temporarily, NATO’s strategic priority to expand to the Russian border. “This is a tactical retreat, in the face of nature,” he told RT.  “I’m going to have to assume that, if and when the coronavirus is brought under control, that we’ll see the resumption of such military provocations, large-scale military exercises on Russia’s western border.”


AFRICOM cancels multinational, maritime exercise Phoenix Express

The exercise was slated to kick off on April 5 in the Mediterranean Sea. The annual exercise is intended to boost regional cooperation, facilitate sharing information, and enhance maritime domain awareness, among other things, according to AFRICOM.

Last year’s Phoenix Express exercise involved countries including Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. AFRICOM says planning is ongoing for next year’s exercise.

The announcement comes a day after the command announced that U.S. Army Africa’s multinational exercise African Lion (US military exercise with Morocco, Tunisia and Senegal) was also being nixed this year.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/03/16/cancellation-updates-multinational-african-lion-exercise-canceled-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

Norway cancelled its March NATO exercises dubbed “Cold Response” in the Arctic Circle.

Norway, in coordination with its civilian health authorities, cancelled its March NATO exercises dubbed “Cold Response” due to coronavirus outbreak, with more than 15,000 soldiers from nine countries returning to their home locations.
Cold Response is the biggest NATO allied exercise in Norway this year, with the main activities of the exercise taking place inside the Arctic Circle, from Narvik to Porsangermoen.

Earlier this month, the US scrapped major exercises with Israel (Juniper Cobra 20).

A key joint military training exercise in South Korea was canceled late last month as the outbreak intensified.

[Dorjezigzag]

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[Sue (Ayt)]

Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?


The core message is: Use vitamin D + A!




Just a quick note - there is a great thread on magnesium water made from Milk of Magnesium Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86797-Magnesium-BiCarbonate-Water-a-guide-to-make&p=1019790&viewfull=1#post1019790).

Also, cod liver oil was a standard tool in the past for flu/pneumonia prevention. It is full of Vitamin D and Vitamin A, plus healthy omegas. Sad how we have been led to totally forget our ancestor's methods, even though they worked.

[Pam]

Do I dare to hope that Trump is actually going to do the right thing. Maybe that business acumen will pay off.



White House coronavirus plan aims to send $2,000 to many Americans, includes $300 billion for small businesses

WASHINGTON - White House officials are working with congressional Republicans on an emergency stimulus package that could send two $1,000 checks to many Americans and also devote $300 billion towards helping small businesses avoid mass layoffs, according to two senior administration officials.

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/White-House-coronavirus-plan-aims-to-send-2-000-15140061.php

[Sue (Ayt)]

With the lock down their is less traffic, less carbon emissions also from businesses less nitrogen dioxide also.

Its less polution. Less traffic to work, less stress in traffic jams...the knock on effects are exponential.

A silver lining a lot of things that are consideted too hard to do, this has forced our hand, the way of working, travelling, socialising, the internet and new technology could improve our lifestyles and health.

Also, people are cooking at home, choosing healthier foods, home schooling, becoming more aware of hygiene. All good things.
:flower:

[pacificator]

What about price gouging >> https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments

Speechless really..

[Pam]

What about price gouging >> https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments

Speechless really..

They were charging 11.000.00 for a valve that was made by volunteers for 1dollar... I think the masses should sue the original company for highway robbery. And folks wonder why the cost of healthcare is so ridiculous. I don't think suing hero's will be great for their business. I hope we turn over some more rocks to see what is hiding underneath.

[Sunny-side-up]

Reports from here and there of transporter loads of military wagons etc.
Not going into to many details or links, here is one of our News Papers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/18/london-braces-lockdown-government-prepares-emergency-coronavirus/

Well the ball's starting to speed up.

Love you all :sun:
Alan

[RogeRio]

Do I dare to hope that Trump is actually going to do the right thing. Maybe that business acumen will pay off.


to contain the 2008 bailout crisis, Obama give $700 bi to bankers by "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act"

Trump wants to be re-elected, so I guess he pretends to people see him as a great patriarch of USA.

The “Families First Coronavirus Response Act” already guarantee free tests for all Americans, including the uninsured, and provide two weeks of paid sick leave for those affected by the health crisis.

we'll see ..

[pacificator]

What about price gouging >> https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments

Speechless really..

This an update to my post.
Also the $11000,00 price tag include other equipment not the only printed part.

Here is the reply from Cristian Fracassi.
https://m.facebook.com/Ing.Cristian.Fracassi/posts/10222339428782713

Translated to English>>

Let's give Caesar what belongs to Caesar

Allow us a note, because the media tam tam that arose after the production of the valves for the respirators that we made with 3D printers is taking a way further and further from the truth.
First of all, it's true: we received a call, we were told that the valves for the respirators were missing in the Chiari hospital and people were dying. The ordinary way, that of approvvigi series production was not practicable for a simple reason of time.
What were we supposed to do?
You know in the movies when someone is about to fall into the ravine? Usually at that moment the protagonist arrives and throws him a rope, but this rope is frayed ... and time runs. We do not believe that at that moment there are many questions about whether the rope is up to standard, or that it belongs to others. At that moment one thinks only of saving who is falling. Then, once safe, with the breath and the adrenaline that falls, you can reason.
Here, we found ourselves in that situation. There were people in danger of life, and we acted. Point.
Now, with a cold mind, let's reason.
First, don't call us, as some have done, heroes. Sure, people were going to die, but we only did our duty. In fact, refusing would not have been a cowardly but a murderous act. Far be it from us.
Don't call us, as some have done, geniuses. If anything, the genius is Venturi, who has identified the physical principle that we have limited ourselves to applying, as any other engineer would have done. There is no genius in the piece that everyone is talking about, there is only the application of a physical principle.
But now also allow us to silence words that are flying beyond our intentions, and beyond our control: we have no intention of making a profit on this situation, we are not going to use the designs or the product beyond the strict need that we forced to act, we have no intention of spreading the design. But not only that: in this time when public opinion is very susceptible, we ask you not to throw yourself at anyone. If we have acted quickly, it is only because with 3D printers you can quickly try a small production which, on the other hand, on the industrial scale would be impossible. And finally, let us also say that certain figures that we see are absolutely not true: we do not want to go into detail, because the cost of a piece is not that of the weight of a small pile of plastic: professionals come into play , costs of materials, energy etc. In short, the cost is something complex, but let us keep the secret, and the right does not know what the left does.
We simply wish that only one thing remained of this story: the community, made up of a hospital, a newspaper, a team of professionals, he ran against time and saved lives. That's all.
The rest - rights, certifications, costs and controversy - should be silent in the face of the undeniable superiority of the sacred right to life. If you don't share, don't ask us, but the people who - thank God - are still breathing.
Thanks anyway to everyone for the support. You wrote to me in many, over 2000 I think, I don't know if I will be able to read everything and thank everyone. Let's focus on the real heroes, those who save lives, who do 16 hours of shifts in the hospital and are day and night next to the sick and we praise them. A heartfelt thanks.

[Dorjezigzag]

Reports from here and there of transporter loads of military wagons etc.
Not going into to many details or links, here is one of our News Papers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/18/london-braces-lockdown-government-prepares-emergency-coronavirus/

Well the ball's starting to speed up.

Love you all :sun:
Alan

An acquaintance of mine has been working in a team grimly named excess death project team that has been putting porta cabins up around north London for expected deaths. The daily mail has reported what they are doing in central London.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8126753/Westminster-mortuary-expanded-cope-surge-coronavirus-victims.html

I've also seen various photos of troop movements, armed vehicles, the word is a lot were moved overnight under cover of darkness. At least they are planning for the worst although of course, it is a worry about the whole martial law aspect.

[Bill Ryan]

There's a schism now between Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)) and Alex Jones (infowars.com (http://infowars.com)).

In the last couple of days, Mike was invited on the show and there was a lot of very interesting, and genuinely respectful, disagreement. But today Mike writes:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-03-18-us-coronavirus-death-toll-global-infections-denial.html

US coronavirus death toll blows past 100, with 7,300 infected while global infections surpass 200,000 … and many Americans still remain in a state of total denial
18 March, 2020

Here's an extract, not the full article (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-18-us-coronavirus-death-toll-global-infections-denial.html).

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Prominent conservative publishers, radio hosts and Trump supporters have retreated into a bizarre state of flat Earth-like denialism, now claiming the entire coronavirus pandemic is a grand, elaborate hoax that somehow 100+ nations are faking.

In fact, the very same people who told you a month ago that the coronavirus was a deadly bioweapon released to achieve global depopulation are now saying the entire thing is a hoax (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-17-pro-trump-publishers-and-pundits-go-full-flat-earth-coronavirus-denialism.html) and nobody is dying, they claim. (The doctors and nurses in Italy beg to differ, of course…)

The websites with the best reporting on all this continue to be Pandemic.news (http://Pandemic.news), ZeroHedge.com (http://ZeroHedge.com) and TheEpochTimes.com (http://TheEpochTimes.com). News aggregation sites with excellent coverage include DrudgeReport.com (http://DrudgeReport.com) and SteveQuayle.com (http://SteveQuayle.com). There are also many strong independent writers who are doing great reporting on this, including Daisy Luther and Dave Hodges.

InfoWars and The Gateway Pundit have gone into full-blown denialism now, and they are both actively reporting that the coronavirus infections and deaths are all faked. The Gateway Pundit’s narrative is starting to mirror communist Chinese propaganda, claiming that China is all back to work now, and everything is under control there.

[Dorjezigzag]

There's a schism now between Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)) and Alex Jones (infowars.com (http://infowars.com)).

In the last couple of days, Mike was invited on the show and there was a lot of very interesting, and genuinely respectful, disagreement. But today Mike writes:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-03-18-us-coronavirus-death-toll-global-infections-denial.html

US coronavirus death toll blows past 100, with 7,300 infected while global infections surpass 200,000 … and many Americans still remain in a state of total denial
18 March, 2020

Here's an extract, not the full article (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-18-us-coronavirus-death-toll-global-infections-denial.html). Note that Infowars is no longer mentioned, as it always was in previous updates.

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Prominent conservative publishers, radio hosts and Trump supporters have retreated into a bizarre state of flat Earth-like denialism, now claiming the entire coronavirus pandemic is a grand, elaborate hoax that somehow 100+ nations are faking.

In fact, the very same people who told you a month ago that the coronavirus was a deadly bioweapon released to achieve global depopulation are now saying the entire thing is a hoax (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-17-pro-trump-publishers-and-pundits-go-full-flat-earth-coronavirus-denialism.html) and nobody is dying, they claim. (The doctors and nurses in Italy beg to differ, of course…)

The websites with the best reporting on all this continue to be Pandemic.news (http://Pandemic.news), ZeroHedge.com (http://ZeroHedge.com) and TheEpochTimes.com (http://TheEpochTimes.com). News aggregation sites with excellent coverage include DrudgeReport.com (http://DrudgeReport.com) and SteveQuayle.com (http://SteveQuayle.com). There are also many strong independent writers who are doing great reporting on this, including Daisy Luther and Dave Hodges.


The problem with people viewing the whole situation objectively is that it has become politicised. Too many people nowadays do not have there own opinions, they don't dare have an opinion that has become associated with an ideology that is not there own. COVID 19 does not care about your politics, people will realise this soon enough.

People analysing the statistics of this outbreak now and saying it is not that bad is like people analysing the stats of world war 1 after the first battle and saying it wasnt that bad a war. We have a long way to go yet, no one knows yet how this is going to end up but it is better to prepare for the worst, while trying and hoping for the best outcome.

[Baby Steps]

UK lock-down expected sooner than you might suppose.

[Wind]

The Worst Pandemics in History - What Do They Teach Us?

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[thepainterdoug]

DORJEZIGZAG / I always liked Mike Adams, his knowledge and info in health and natural supplements etc. But of recent his Natural News and Pandemic.news sights are a bit overboard with sensational videos, overblown and inaccurate claims .
for example, Mike put up a video stating national guard deployed , PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT in New Rochelle NY.
This is 100 % untrue. My son lives in New Rochelle and things are calm, the National guard are friendly and helpful . There is no gunpoint !

What has happened to Mike? He is fear peddling now, and even if is facts are true, they will not be received well if he takes this path of sensational and fear driven headlines and verbiage . How unfortunate.

[bogeyman]

Ive watched this from start to finish, very informative. The David Icke interview re Corona Virus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1lJks00Zo), worth a watch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1lJks00Zo

[Denise/Dizi]

While this may seem ridiculous, it always seems that when an Apocalypse happens, those that remain after the fallout seem to alwaya be in the dessert, scavenging old vehicles and such hahaha. (Mad Max comes to mind)... I wonder if there is any truth to this report?

It is just over 5 minutes long and it shows how the Corona Virus can be killed with HEAT.. You're blow dryer essentially, if treated properly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-011iO4esA&fbclid=IwAR1Lw-JiPQJYNUT0LflM8L_RyEZEsZaKAwujVleZjD_mjWLC5zN1pi5k i5Y

[Arcturian108]

This video from a virologist citing common sense, hopefully will help to combat the mainstream hysteria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkK-lCwIPL8&feature=youtu.be[/url]

[Dorjezigzag]

DORJEZIGZAG / I always liked Mike Adams, his knowledge and info in health and natural supplements etc. But of recent his Natural News and Pandemic.news sights are a bit overboard with sensational videos, overblown and inaccurate claims .
for example, Mike put up a video stating national guard deployed , PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT in New Rochelle NY.
This is 100 % untrue. My son lives in New Rochelle and things are calm, the National guard are friendly and helpful . There is no gunpoint !

What has happened to Mike? He is fear peddling now, and even if is facts are true, they will not be received well if he takes this path of sensational and fear driven headlines and verbiage . How unfortunate.

Yes I think there has been lots of sensationalism from lots of reporters on this situation, probably an element of clickbait in that. I think there needs to be honesty in reporting what has happened but I do think people should be made aware just how bad it can get.

The situation in Italy is genuinely horrific and people do not seem to be facing that.

The situation is beggining to be very real for me, my mother has probably got the virus and my son has just told me the exams that he is working so hard towards have been cancelled.

Not quite sure why you addesed your post to me though because Bill Ryan put up the link to the article?

[Delight]

Ive watched this from start to finish, very informative. The David Icke interview re Corona Virus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1lJks00Zo), worth a watch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1lJks00Zo

`The measures are extreme to quarantine a whole population. It seems to me that despite the fact that many are ill, it may be necessary to triage the well fare of EVERYONE (economically etc.) by just allowing it to run through the population. To prevent an Orwellian state, we may need to seriously question our willingness to die? Are we willing to take what happens... loss of healthcare in the event of a need that cannot be provided and the possibility of dying?

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[Delight]

Check this out.

Bill Gates answering questions on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/)

[Dorjezigzag]

475 deaths in one day in Italy. China never had these kind of figures.

No one seems to be addresing this issue, which either must be due to China lying, or a mutation of the virus, or a combination of both.

The aging population and health of Italians cannot explain all the difference.

[Satori]

475 deaths in one day in Italy. China never had these kind of figures.

No one seems to be addresing this issue, which either must be due to China lying, or a mutation of the virus, or a combination of both.

There is talk about someone saying a while back that China was going to catch a cold. What if China ( and its allies) decided to beat its enemies, real and perceived, to the punch and give the world a novel Covid flu? Speculation on my part to be sure. But I can’t help but think and feel we are in a war. A real war. One that has many fronts and involves physical, social and economic death. Very real indeed.

My apologies if this seems like fear mongering. That is not my intent.

[norman]

I just heard "Troops on the streets from Friday"

(UK, that is )


edit:

2 days ago I heard DVLA was registering lots of military vehicles, but I didn't know what to make of that at the time.

[Pam]

475 deaths in one day in Italy. China never had these kind of figures.

No one seems to be addresing this issue, which either must be due to China lying, or a mutation of the virus, or a combination of both.

There is talk about someone saying a while back that China was going to catch a cold. What if China ( and its allies) decided to beat its enemies, real and perceived, to the punch and give the world a novel Covid flu? Speculation on my part to be sure. But I can’t help but think and feel we are in a war. A real war. One that has many fronts and involves physical, social and economic death. Very real indeed.

My apologies if this seems like fear mongering. That is not my intent.

No, it doesn't.. Wars are no longer going to be fought in the traditional sense. I'm still open to the possibility that China may not have initiated this..but they could have. Did someone want it to look like China carelessly started it, or did they carelessly allow this to happen? The whole prospect of it is so ugly.

Some governments are dealing with this in such a non transparent way that it can't help but create suspicion. The way the event has been bungled by governments that should have been able to deal with it in an expedient manner.. Is it just an accident that there is no PPE available in the US? Was the testing debacle just a series of accidental missteps ? What about the UK "just let herd immunity do it's thing"? Just incompetence?

I think Italy is giving us a real time accurate account of what this thing is..and it sure doesn't match what China has tried to present..

One thing for sure, no one is faking the health care givers accounts of this. Each story and account rings of truth, sadness and the desperation of living in a hellish ordeal. That's the part of this thing I believe we can take at face value, the rest.. I just don't know at this point.

Those of us that are good researchers will have their work cut out for them on this one. I think it is going to be time in the very near future to demand answers, lots of them.

[ExomatrixTV]

DISCLAIMER: I only consider this, I do not assume all is correct!

John Martin (https://www.facebook.com/johnpmartin1975?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARAksLQDsQRXIGiEbmEw19dZ1FcaACpylzX3w_cJnL_VFQEbR43ldDF4B3t3ej-rnRENGrUCLs_YKJlJ&hc_ref=ARQTf6AuNnaPywzjG-WtSfDw-QLyTNRMVqGflvsW_GKVangt7qRpWeMCF8yF5xhFRCg&fref=nf) [quote] "HOW TO CREATE A FAKE PANDEMIC 101"

STEP 01 - Suppress people's already weakened immune systems by rolling out 5G wireless technology (which is used as a weapon in the military). Don't test it for safety, people will trust you if you say it's safe. Just tell them you can download porn really fast with it.


STEP 02 - Declare that there is a new virus in an area of the world where 5G is already rolled out. If there is high pollution in the area, even better. Wuhan, China as a totally random example. Do it in winter when people's immune systems are already suppressed.


STEP 03 - Start testing people for infection with an inaccurate test which no one even knows the accuracy of. Make sure it gives lots of false negatives and false positives for maximum uncertainty. Most people will just take the numbers of infected you present as fact.

STEP 04 - Focus on mainly testing people who are really sick. Use the excuse of test shortages and cost (legitimate excuses) for why most healthy people aren't being tested. That way it will look like the case fatality rate is much higher than reality. But just to help make it look real, 5G will help increase the real case fatality rate.


STEP 05 - Make sure the media goes all in on over hyping and fear mongering. Get most of the sellout alternative media on board too and make them hype it up even more. Focus on areas of the world with lots of old people and active 5G, like Northern Italy... And cruise ships. Convince people that where they live will end up just as bad and worse. Make people so paranoid that they overwhelm hospitals by coming in with the first sign of the sniffles. This zombie rush of paranoid idiots will make it appear that entire countries are getting sicker when mostly they are just getting increasingly paranoid. As a bonus, some people will become susceptible to sickness just by remaining in non-stop sleep deprived active adrenal paranoia. Even many practicing doctors and nurses may be fooled by the zombie onslaught, especially those in 5G areas.


STEP 06 - After weeks of testing very few people, start testing far more people at an exponential rate. This will create the illusion that the outbreak is now spreading rapidly, when really tons of people would have likely tested positive back before anyone even knew there was a virus. If you time it right, it will look like a growing serious threat rather than an always present nothing-burger. For added effect, report that a (coincidentally disproportionate) number of politicians and famous people are infected. This is when the masses start to grow increasingly concerned rather than just a tiny minority


STEP 07 - Start counting people who die of the flu or other similar illnesses as dying of the pandemic virus to inflate the numbers. Symptoms are similar, so this isn't a stretch. Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the flu, so this can make your fake pandemic look much more real by inflating your numbers.


STEP 08 - Wait until the perception of the pandemic is scary enough that people are demanding to be mass quarantined and think it's a fantastic idea and the only solution. Then start a slow motion quarantine rollout. Get the people to lead you to quarantine them instead of forcing it on them, to avoid resistance. Make it look like it wasn't your plan all along, but rather the only reasonable course of action.


STEP 09 (OPTION 1) - Keep things locked down until warmer sunnier weather decreases incidence of what is otherwise mostly normal symptoms of colds and flus (plus some 5G immune suppression). Declare that the quarantines were effective, and that without them, tens of millions would have died. Yay for big government! Yay for tyranny!

STEP 09 (OPTION 2) - Keep society under permanent medical martial law. With numbers never going up but not disappearing fully either. Perfect excuse for permanent tyranny. Especially in the midst of economic collapse which you will have created by now with the fearmongering and quarantines. Travel will remain heavily controlled as long as you want. People will accept the tyranny because they are terrified of the outbreak getting out of control.


STEP 10 - Eventually present a vaccine which most people take unquestioningly. After all the fear mongering and the quarantines, people will be completely paranoid and no longer thinking rationally (assuming they ever did at one time). This vaccine will mess with their immune system just like flu vaccines do. Ideally, add this to the yearly set of vaccinations. Get people to line up willingly to shorten their lifespans and make them more susceptible to a real pandemic. Don't worry, most people will not require evidence of efficacy nor safety. They still trust the government and media despite absolutely no reason to do so.


Congratulations! You now have the tools to make your own fake pandemic. [unquote].

DISCLAIMER: I only consider this, I do not assume all is correct!

Source (https://www.facebook.com/johnpmartin1975/posts/10219129039151405)

[Agape]

Yes the whole absurdity of “Big Brothers’” perspective versus our particular “herd read national mentalities” is coming into open sight.

Unquestionably, China’s Big Brother is the biggest of them all. Very few people now question or have right to question BB in China.
Whatever follows looks like an apocalyptic version of “pride parade” across the nations. All want to show their BB is in full control of their populace.

Let’s not forget they all are different versions of the same phenomenon and in war against each other.

Almost every country seem to take this all personally as if they were the people on target. The unspoken collective moods seem to point out in the right direction thou:
there are times to gather and times to retreat.
Our very survival here is guaranteed by no one, it’s a natural phenomenon depending on our willingness to cooperate.
So many live problems and people have been ignored already and left to suffer
while the mighty enjoyed themselves on their expensive playgrounds flooding the markets with plastic toys for adults, including the internet.

Or you may say the collective failed, in 80% cases to make any better use of internet than playing games, posting selfies and perhaps some shopping.

It’s difficult to address correctly and perhaps I’m tired.


So much dirty reality is being passed through human awareness and the environment , with all the “excellent reasons” for it being the Way.

Let’s wake up from all their excuses and see where we get. Many European and American health care systems are discretely in shambles now for many years bargaining for money with the government as if health was a privilege instead of humanly right.
That’s where you realize that we can’t match the Chinese medical system overnight.

There is money in the way ! No matter how much the bill for hospital or medical care there’s always been some, a burden of a bill on socially weak families, seniors, disabled people etc etc.

So how do they want to get people to trust BB and medical system if there’s always been money in the way ?


It exposes all the greed in the world, all those who are vulnerable, and those who live dirty.


The next thing it may do is taking couple of world politicians down as it did already in case of Iran , in which case it will be pronounced a biological weapon and Big Brothers start casting stones on “who really did it”.

They may create another “whistleblowing” scandal aka Edward Snowden with information of where it all truly started, implicating each other,


Looking under the thin ice there’s a deep pond of human miseries. The polished, painted, porcelain layer we are walking on is thin as paper.
Step heavily and ya sink.

The information and public access to it and all the discussion is new. The coronavirus family is fairly ancient, infecting all from amphibians, reptiles to mammals to humans,
for hundreds thousands of years. On and off.
If people do continue eating unclean food stuff it will never go away.


It just won’t you know, these human bodies now and then have to do with thousands of parasites and germs, that’s why all of the old cultures who were bit advanced even had safety instructions and protocols concerning their food and habits.

Transmission of viruses from animal to human are the most frequent, the world is full of it, don’t blame your doggie but there are millions of people out there killing and consuming anything , plainly anything , touching anything , never washing hands, they may on the top of their faithful conviction in themselves , the science really missed them early in their lives in childish revolt against their mothers and consequently every helpful advise,

It’s difficult, nearly impossible to help anyone who had willingly turned themselves to barbarianism no matter how educated they are or hope to be.

The protocol comes first, if you forsake your own hygiene and protocol for “something else” you are risky character, risking lives of your children, friends, family, whoever.


I hate to say this but people need to start considering others before self, and self before global economy. There’s still tons of mentally challenged people who won’t follow ANY practical advice on hygiene, out of mere principle of “none of this being true”, obsessed with the idea of getting their dirty hands on someone.
Because their mother failed and priest told them they are pure after abusing them in sanctuary.

Then you need the system to tell you to wash better and scare people to death to it.


Sorry for the rant


🐨

[Dorjezigzag]

I think all those reporters that are calling this a hoax should be put on a flight to northern Italy taken to the emergency units, talk to the families who have lost love ones. They wont need to wear a mask or anything while they are there because of course its not real. If they do get ill, dont believe them because the disease they are talking about doesnt exist and they must be psycho-somatic.

[onevoice]

The American Institute Taiwan and US has released a short statement (https://www.ait.org.tw/u-s-taiwan-joint-statement/) today announcing joint cooperation between US and Taiwan. Currently in Taiwan, the country has fixed the price of hospital grade masks available to everyone at $0.17 USD, 3 per week for adults and 5 per week for K-12 person and due to the recent ramp up in the country's mask production, plenty of masks is available for everyone who wants one. All Taiwanese citizens have cultural discipline to wear masks whenever any person comes down with any cold or flue symptoms to prevent its spread. Therefore wearing masks in Taiwan is not shunned like it is in USA and elsewhere. So I think this is great news that USA can benefit from the many Taiwanese programs that have been implemented to contain Covid-19 in Taiwan.

Last week, Taiwan announced a development of a Covid-19 test (https://en.rti.org.tw/news/view/id/2002845) that can be completed in 15 minutes.

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PR-2009
March 18, 2020


U.S.-Taiwan Joint Statement

To further strengthen U.S.-Taiwan consultation and cooperation on combatting the COVID-19 virus, which originated in Wuhan, both sides will seek to share best practices and cooperate on a range of activities under a partnership that includes:


Research and development of rapid tests;
Research and production of vaccines
Research and production of medicines
Contact tracing techniques and technology
Joint conferences with scientists and experts, and
Cooperation and exchanges of medical supplies and equipment

[Dorjezigzag]

I would rather be dead than live in some surveilance technocracy like China, so if that is the result of all this bring it on COVIT-19,

The following short video will probably trigger some people and Im not so sure about his views on the control of the bankers but he does make a very good point and something I have noticed in my many years around conspiracies.

I think some people's conspiracies that they have around COVID-19 are a coping mechanism because they cannot actually face the enormity of what is happening.

Many are thinking this pandemic is something that is controlled, that its effects on the economy are something that has been brought into place, but what if it isnt? What if, irespective of its origins, things are genuinely out of control now, that no matter how much money they throw at this problem we cannot stop the car crash into collapse and anarchy. That people we think know what they are doing have actually lost control of the steering wheel.

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[Satori]

I agree with Mr. Moore that no one is in control and that the world is rudder-less, but I disagree that there are no conspiracies.

[Dorjezigzag]

I agree with Mr. Moore that no one is in control and that the world is rudder-less, but I disagree that there are no conspiracies.

He does say at the beginning that conspiracies do exist and they are tripping up over each other.

[Bill Ryan]

There is talk about someone saying a while back that China was going to catch a cold. That was myself, from a 2010 video called The Anglo-Saxon Mission.

The information came from a whistleblower who was a low-level Mason and a retired British naval officer, who I talked with at length, who was surprised he'd been invited to a high-level Masonic meeting in the City of London several years prior.

He thought his presence must have been an administrative mistake, so he just sat quietly and listened carefully as he grew increasingly horrified at what he was hearing. I'm 100% sure the man's report was fully authentic.

The thread about all this is here: The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission)

[Pam]

Yes the whole absurdity of “Big Brothers’” perspective versus our particular “herd read national mentalities” is coming into open sight.

Unquestionably, China’s Big Brother is the biggest of them all. Very few people now question or have right to question BB in China.
Whatever follows looks like an apocalyptic version of “pride parade” across the nations. All want to show their BB is in full control of their populace.

Let’s not forget they all are different versions of the same phenomenon and in war against each other.

Almost every country seem to take this all personally as if they were the people on target. The unspoken collective moods seem to point out in the right direction thou:
there are times to gather and times to retreat.
Our very survival here is guaranteed by no one, it’s a natural phenomenon depending on our willingness to cooperate.
So many live problems and people have been ignored already and left to suffer
while the mighty enjoyed themselves on their expensive playgrounds flooding the markets with plastic toys for adults, including the internet.

Or you may say the collective failed, in 80% cases to make any better use of internet than playing games, posting selfies and perhaps some shopping.

It’s difficult to address correctly and perhaps I’m tired.


So much dirty reality is being passed through human awareness and the environment , with all the “excellent reasons” for it being the Way.

Let’s wake up from all their excuses and see where we get. Many European and American health care systems are discretely in shambles now for many years bargaining for money with the government as if health was a privilege instead of humanly right.
That’s where you realize that we can’t match the Chinese medical system overnight.

There is money in the way ! No matter how much the bill for hospital or medical care there’s always been some, a burden of a bill on socially weak families, seniors, disabled people etc etc.

So how do they want to get people to trust BB and medical system if there’s always been money in the way ?


It exposes all the greed in the world, all those who are vulnerable, and those who live dirty.


The next thing it may do is taking couple of world politicians down as it did already in case of Iran , in which case it will be pronounced a biological weapon and Big Brothers start casting stones on “who really did it”.

They may create another “whistleblowing” scandal aka Edward Snowden with information of where it all truly started, implicating each other,


Looking under the thin ice there’s a deep pond of human miseries. The polished, painted, porcelain layer we are walking on is thin as paper.
Step heavily and ya sink.

The information and public access to it and all the discussion is new. The coronavirus family is fairly ancient, infecting all from amphibians, reptiles to mammals to humans,
for hundreds thousands of years. On and off.
If people do continue eating unclean food stuff it will never go away.


It just won’t you know, these human bodies now and then have to do with thousands of parasites and germs, that’s why all of the old cultures who were bit advanced even had safety instructions and protocols concerning their food and habits.

Transmission of viruses from animal to human are the most frequent, the world is full of it, don’t blame your doggie but there are millions of people out there killing and consuming anything , plainly anything , touching anything , never washing hands, they may on the top of their faithful conviction in themselves , the science really missed them early in their lives in childish revolt against their mothers and consequently every helpful advise,

It’s difficult, nearly impossible to help anyone who had willingly turned themselves to barbarianism no matter how educated they are or hope to be.

The protocol comes first, if you forsake your own hygiene and protocol for “something else” you are risky character, risking lives of your children, friends, family, whoever.


I hate to say this but people need to start considering others before self, and self before global economy. There’s still tons of mentally challenged people who won’t follow ANY practical advice on hygiene, out of mere principle of “none of this being true”, obsessed with the idea of getting their dirty hands on someone.
Because their mother failed and priest told them they are pure after abusing them in sanctuary.

Then you need the system to tell you to wash better and scare people to death to it.


Sorry for the rant


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Agape, I have appreciated your many insights into this matter. I have been so delighted to see members like Dorjeezigzag and Nat-Lee to name but a couple back contributing.One thing I feel for absolute sure, there is a reason that everyone of us is here at this time. I am calling on each one of our dear members to share your truth in this experience. There are so many that I dearly miss right now, Running Deer, Flash and so many more. We need the vast wisdom and insight of past and present members. Let's join together and forget whatever it was that has caused fragmentation. This is the time where unification is strength. I could make a list of people I dearly miss. Please come back and share your truth,experiences and observations.

I also want to hear from those that are just reading. We need your contributions as well. Join our group and have a voice.

[happyuk]

Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?


The core message is: Use vitamin D + A!




Just a quick note - there is a great thread on magnesium water made from Milk of Magnesium Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86797-Magnesium-BiCarbonate-Water-a-guide-to-make&p=1019790&viewfull=1#post1019790).

Also, cod liver oil was a standard tool in the past for flu/pneumonia prevention. It is full of Vitamin D and Vitamin A, plus healthy omegas. Sad how we have been led to totally forget our ancestor's methods, even though they worked.

Seconded. I would recommend that anyone interested in exploring the potential health benefits of cod liver oil would do worse than to investigate the material contained on the Weston A Price website:

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-basics-and-recommendations/

In particular why the proportion of Vitamins A and D contained in fermented cod liver oil are so important in the way they work together rather than in isolation.

And I would also really recommend Dr Weston A Price's magnificent book 'Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/eb03/439a9543410a8a45d24d3b82de7e6b9e3d67.pdf)'. It contains his extensive research that explores why Western diets are far inferior to traditional indigenous diets:

[helium]

Do I dare to hope that Trump is actually going to do the right thing. Maybe that business acumen will pay off.



White House coronavirus plan aims to send $2,000 to many Americans, includes $300 billion for small businesses

WASHINGTON - White House officials are working with congressional Republicans on an emergency stimulus package that could send two $1,000 checks to many Americans and also devote $300 billion towards helping small businesses avoid mass layoffs, according to two senior administration officials.

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/White-House-coronavirus-plan-aims-to-send-2-000-15140061.php


The problem here is that they will print those dollars and inflation will eventually take the $2000 back out of everyone's pockets, plus some. Instead of printing $$ maybe it's better to transfer existing wealth that's being hoarded by those who have no actual use for it other than to maintain dysfunctional control.

[ExomatrixTV]

Secret plans during lockdown? Calling all Ψhιstlε βlowers to do the right thing:
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[Caliban]

I've got David Icke in one hand and one of the Archangels (you choose a name) in the other.

Be here. Offer help. Be calm like a morning in a quiet garden, underneath the roiling transmissions.

[onevoice]

For the last couple of weeks, I've been wondering why so many medically related items such as masks and thermometers I have been shopping for has become unavailable. Now we know. What Amazon has decided to do (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-amazon-suspends-all-non-essential-shipments-to-warehouses-2020-3) is truly unprecedented:

Amazon to stop accepting all products other than medical supplies and household staples to its warehouses amid coronavirus crisis — read the memo it just sent sellers

Eugene Kim Mar 17, 2020, 10:28 AM

https://i.insider.com/5d8a74092e22af127b3a787c?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp
Inventory inside the Amazon fulfillment center in Robbinsville, New Jersey, in 2018. Shannon Stapleton/Reuters


Amazon told sellers and vendors on Tuesday that it was suspending shipments of all nonessential products to its warehouses to deal with the increased workloads following the coronavirus outbreak.
Amazon is now prioritizing medical supplies, household staples, and other high-demand products to its warehouses until April 5.
The change only affects shipments to Amazon's warehouses, not the last-mile deliveries to consumers.
"We are temporarily prioritizing household staples, medical supplies, and other high-demand products coming into our fulfillment centers so that we can more quickly receive, restock, and deliver these products to customers," the message read.


Amazon is blocking all shipments of nonessential products to its warehouses in response to the significant increase in orders it's seeing as the novel coronavirus spreads across the US.

On Tuesday the company told sellers and vendors that it would accept only shipments of "household staples, medical supplies, and other high-demand products" to its warehouse until April 5 to deal with the high demand of those products amid the coronavirus crisis.

That means sellers who use Amazon's storage and delivery network for a fixed fee, through a program called Fulfillment by Amazon, will no longer be able to ship nonessential products to Amazon. The same restrictions apply to vendors who wholesale their products to Amazon, who then resells them at a markup.

It doesn't affect last-mile shipments of those products to consumers.

Amazon said in an email to sellers that it was now prioritizing shipment in the following six categories: baby product; health and household (including personal-care appliances); beauty and personal care; grocery; industrial and scientific; pet supplies.

"We are seeing increased online shopping, and as a result some products such as household staples and medical supplies are out of stock," the email obtained by Business Insider said. "With this in mind, we are temporarily prioritizing household staples, medical supplies, and other high-demand products coming into our fulfillment centers so that we can more quickly receive, restock, and deliver these products to customers."

The move follows huge increases in orders of certain products on Amazon, like face masks and toilet paper, as more shoppers flocked to e-commerce sites like Amazon for their shopping. That's put huge strains on Amazon's supply chain, resulting in shipment delays, technical glitches, and labor shortages.

"Amazon is taking drastic measures to address logistical challenges faced amid the coronavirus pandemic," Steven Yates, CEO of Prime Guidance, an agency that helps Amazon sellers, said. "Amazon has struggled to keep up with demand on essential items, so this move will allow them to focus more available resources to meet this increased demand."

For the vendors, Amazon said they would see "reduced purchase orders" as it "temporarily paused" orders for all non-essential products until April 5. It also extended the delivery windows for existing orders, giving vendors more time to deliver those products to Amazon.

"We understand this is a change to your business, and we did not take this decision lightly," Amazon wrote in the note. "We appreciate your understanding as we prioritize the above products for our customers."

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[Dennis Leahy]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.


A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend

[norman]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.


A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



That's very interesting Dennis. That syncs perfectly with what I heard this evening from military chatter that UK is having troops on the street from Friday.

It looks to me very much like something big is going down from this weekend forward.

[Dennis Leahy]

Costa Rican government and Health Ministry today announced borders are closed to non-residents (closed to tourists, and tourism is about 9% of Costa Rica's GDP.) It seems that tourists may be permitted to leave (though the airlines that fly here are generally full of tourists, so the airlines may not be available anyway.)

I saw one report stating that all bars and nightclubs are closed, and all alcohol sales in stores is forbidden, for 1 month.

Costa Rica has 50-something covid-19 confirmed cases, and one death attributed to covid-19.

I also just read that Panama closed its borders to tourists as well.

[Phoenix]

Hi all..

I havent logged in for about 5 years now.

Here I am :)

I've read 80% of the posts on this thread.

I saw something and wanted to report it if anyone thought this might have legs, or knows the source; here it is:

Article is dated March 15th:

"This morning at 4:30 a.m., Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was served a criminal indictment by the U.S. for corporate and financial crimes. Media owners were instructed to brainwash everyone that Trudeau and his wife have the Corona virus, and that they won't be leaving their house for a while.

Tom Hanks was arrested 48 hours ago for pedophilia and he is currently being kept in a hotel room in Australia, refusing to fly back to the USA. The next celebrity arrests will be Celine Dion, Madonna, Charles Barkley, and Kevin Spacey. All will claim Corona virus infections.

Italy's airports have been completely shut down, as over 80 Vatican and financial officials have been served the same criminal indictments for financial crime, pedophilia, child trafficking, and sex abuse.

United Emirates have completed mass arrests of their own Royal Family and affiliates.

Convicted Hollywood rapist Harvey Weinstein agreed to a deal in exchange for his testimony against hundreds of top Hollywood celebrities and their involvement in the drug business, pedophilia, and child trafficking. Instead of a 55-year sentence, he only received a 23-year sentence. In exchange he provided testimonies against some of the biggest and most powerful names, including Prince Andrew of the U.K., former president Bill Clinton, former vice president Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, Oprah, Ellen DeGeneres, Quentin Tarantino, Charlie Sheen, Bob Saget, Kevin Spacey, John Travolta, Steven Spielberg, Podesta, NXIVM and PIZZAGATE sex trafficking clubs, and hundreds more who all were directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeffrey Epstein was similarly allowed to make a deal and have his suicide in prison faked in exchange for his testimony.

CEOs of some major world corporations have been indicted/arrested, and some have been forced to resign — all in the last 30-60 days — such as the CEOs of the NBA, Harley Davidson, the Bill Gates Foundation, Intel, McDonald's, Cesar Awards, and Disney; the Vatican Chief of Police; etc. Approximately 700-800 more resignations are coming in the next 3 months.

The lab-created Corona virus was a cover-up for the mass mandatory vaccination agenda. Now it has become the biggest covert U.S. Intelligence operation that the world has ever seen. This mass 158,000-arrests operation will remove and capture the biggest evil and corrupted politicians, celebrities, and CEOs, including global elites and bankers such as George Soros, U.N. officials, and the founders of GRETA, inc.

President Trump will win the 2020 elections, and arrests of former U.S. presidents will occur in early 2021. All major arrests will be portrayed by the media as accidental or as conspiracy theories. All arrested individuals will be given "Rommel Death", meaning that they will have a choice between their death bring portrayed to the public as a suicide or an accidental death in return for assurances that his or her reputation will remain intact, or, alternatively, they can choose to face a criminal trial that would result in public disgrace.

Some top religious leaders will be arrested or forced to resign, and some will suddenly get "sick." The Vatican will be the first, and the Pope will be removed in 2020. Production of human extracted Adrenochrome will be revealed, and Hollywood and the Vatican will be exposed as being directly responsible for that.

Coming up there will be a 2-month complete shutdown of the world's most common operations, such as schools, the stock exchange, some banks, airports, shipping, travel, events, galas, expos, sport games, sport championships, music award ceremonies, NBA/NHL/Baseball games, and ship cruises. (TEMPORARY)>> There will be food shortages and staged electricity power loss. Gas prices will go down, food costs will go up, insurance will go up, gold and silver stocks will fall, and many corporations will either go bankrupt or take a significant financial loss, such as in the case of what's about to happen to Air Canada, Disney, and Coca-Cola.

Welcome to the Geat Awakening. What's about to happen this summer and fall will change the world's history."






Mod note from Bill: here's the source link, one of many on the net. But re the "mass arrests", this is almost certainly Qanon-fantasy nonsense. For instance, Tom Hanks is now hanging out in a rental home (https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=308264&ref=rss), as many reading this may know.


https://reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/fjdeht/the_great_awakening

[Caliban]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.
A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:

He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared.

Wow. It's playing out, all the things we've been talking about for years. Strange to see that. Buckle up. We'll get through.

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi all..

I havent logged in for about 5 years now.

Here I am :)

I've read 80% of the posts on this thread.

I saw something and wanted to report it if anyone thought this might have legs, or knows the source; here it is:

Article is dated March 15th:

"This morning at 4:30 a.m., Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was served a criminal indictment by the U.S. for corporate and financial crimes. Media owners were instructed to brainwash everyone that Trudeau and his wife have the Corona virus, and that they won't be leaving their house for a while.

Tom Hanks was arrested 48 hours ago for pedophilia and he is currently being kept in a hotel room in Australia, refusing to fly back to the USA. The next celebrity arrests will be Celine Dion, Madonna, Charles Barkley, and Kevin Spacey. All will claim Corona virus infections.

Italy's airports have been completely shut down, as over 80 Vatican and financial officials have been served the same criminal indictments for financial crime, pedophilia, child trafficking, and sex abuse.

United Emirates have completed mass arrests of their own Royal Family and affiliates.

Convicted Hollywood rapist Harvey Weinstein agreed to a deal in exchange for his testimony against hundreds of top Hollywood celebrities and their involvement in the drug business, pedophilia, and child trafficking. Instead of a 55-year sentence, he only received a 23-year sentence. In exchange he provided testimonies against some of the biggest and most powerful names, including Prince Andrew of the U.K., former president Bill Clinton, former vice president Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, Oprah, Ellen DeGeneres, Quentin Tarantino, Charlie Sheen, Bob Saget, Kevin Spacey, John Travolta, Steven Spielberg, Podesta, NXIVM and PIZZAGATE sex trafficking clubs, and hundreds more who all were directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeffrey Epstein was similarly allowed to make a deal and have his suicide in prison faked in exchange for his testimony.

CEOs of some major world corporations have been indicted/arrested, and some have been forced to resign — all in the last 30-60 days — such as the CEOs of the NBA, Harley Davidson, the Bill Gates Foundation, Intel, McDonald's, Cesar Awards, and Disney; the Vatican Chief of Police; etc. Approximately 700-800 more resignations are coming in the next 3 months.

The lab-created Corona virus was a cover-up for the mass mandatory vaccination agenda. Now it has become the biggest covert U.S. Intelligence operation that the world has ever seen. This mass 158,000-arrests operation will remove and capture the biggest evil and corrupted politicians, celebrities, and CEOs, including global elites and bankers such as George Soros, U.N. officials, and the founders of GRETA, inc.

President Trump will win the 2020 elections, and arrests of former U.S. presidents will occur in early 2021. All major arrests will be portrayed by the media as accidental or as conspiracy theories. All arrested individuals will be given "Rommel Death", meaning that they will have a choice between their death bring portrayed to the public as a suicide or an accidental death in return for assurances that his or her reputation will remain intact, or, alternatively, they can choose to face a criminal trial that would result in public disgrace.

Some top religious leaders will be arrested or forced to resign, and some will suddenly get "sick." The Vatican will be the first, and the Pope will be removed in 2020. Production of human extracted Adrenochrome will be revealed, and Hollywood and the Vatican will be exposed as being directly responsible for that.

Coming up there will be a 2-month complete shutdown of the world's most common operations, such as schools, the stock exchange, some banks, airports, shipping, travel, events, galas, expos, sport games, sport championships, music award ceremonies, NBA/NHL/Baseball games, and ship cruises. (TEMPORARY)>> There will be food shortages and staged electricity power loss. Gas prices will go down, food costs will go up, insurance will go up, gold and silver stocks will fall, and many corporations will either go bankrupt or take a significant financial loss, such as in the case of what's about to happen to Air Canada, Disney, and Coca-Cola.

Welcome to the Geat Awakening. What's about to happen this summer and fall will change the world's history."
Sounds to me that "Q" got hold of some psilocybin mushrooms. I'd love to be wrong.

Welcome to the forum, Phoenix. Sorry to cast doubt on your first post.

[Denise/Dizi]

Everything is emptying out and shutting down. At least in my local area. The children are no longer in school, those over 65, asked to stay in place at home, and day by day more small businesses are shutting down. The stores, and online suppliers are running short of the most basic of items, and I doubt they will be replenished before they are closed down, or running on a skeleton staff.

I have been paying attention, and I fully expect that everyone will be asked to go home.. And stay put. A week or two? A month or more? I do not know. When it will happen? Probably sooner than later as everyone seems to know it's coming... And I do know it is coming.. it appears Wuhan is STILL in a stay put mode... So if this is any indication of what we will be facing.. It's going to be a long haul. I am prepared, I hope you are as well..

I just wanted to say this.. I hope that everyone helps their neighbors. If they didn't have the funds to stock up, offer them a meal, some toilet paper, whatever you can to make sure we all get through this.. I hate to think of children going hungry because mom can't afford to stock up, or worse...Their only safety was being away from their parents at all..

So please, be kind to your neighbors. You never know what is truly going on behind their closed doors.. If you suspect someone is hungry, offer them a meal if you have extra. If you filled your entire garage with toilet tissue? Share some of it.

I just wanted to wish everyone GOOD LUCK! I live in an area where we get snow, everything goes quiet, many lose power, and so we prepare. But the sounds of silence never cease to amaze me.. And I think many will be experiencing something like this for the first time in big cities.. You won't know what to do with yourself within your homes.. Nowhere to go, nothing to go do...

Actually? Perhaps we all needed some time to be alone with our true thoughts, not those of others constantly bombarding us. Hopefully we will all come out of this with a new kinder, more gentle, and far more relaxed attitude.. Because we truly need some change in this world, we need to slow down and think about what we're doing to ourselves, this planet, and how we treat those around us.

Sorry to derail the topic, I just wanted to stop talking about the "What if" scenarios, the statistics, and everything else, and reach out to my peers and say.. I WISH YOU WELL...

[Sadieblue]

I hesitated to share this, because I wasn't sure if it could be true, but
will share it here anyway, make of it what you will.
I had a friend call me today who knows someone in a position to know, who called
and told them to get out and get whatever they might need before the weekend, because
something big was coming down.....and that they could say no more.

[rgray222]

We are living through historic times, there is virtually not a person, animal or business on the planet that has not been touched by this event in one way or another. In the next week or two, virtually all businesses except essential business will grind to a halt. This will make 9-11-2001 fade into the history books. Environmentalist will look back and mark this time when air, road and train travel ground to a halt. Economist and bankers will be discussing the impact of this for decades. Technology will be upgraded all over the planet after this is over so that more students can take classes from home and more office workers can be farmed out to their home offices. Every school business and government agency from local to national will develop (or update) pandemic plans. Brick and mortar businesses have been on a slow decline for more than a decade and this will hasten their demise. The few malls around the world that are still surviving will most likely go by the wayside.

Governments around the world will be judged on how well (or poorly) they handled this crisis. World leaders will change as a result of their actions or inaction. The media has been screaming about a possible pandemic for years and now that they have one which they partially created it may speed up the ever so slow decline. In certain circles, the media's role in this will be discussed ad nauseam.

This will have a major impact on how people think about China and how governments do business with them. The One Belt One Road (OBOR) initiative which has allowed China to lend money to countries around the globe and eventually raid their resources will probably come to an end but we won't hear much about it. Governments around the world will start pulling strategic manufacturing out of China. Depending on how China chooses to handle this crisis it could put us all on the brink of WWIII. Not trying to an alarmist here but I see it as a distinct possibility. Lastly, this will have a very negative impact on one-world government initiatives. Borders will look like a reasonable avenue for survival.

It is usually difficult to understand the significance of the times we are living through. Sadly it will not be the death toll that will be discussed or even matter it will be the impact on governments and economies. And of course, conspiracy theories will be bounding around for the next 100 years, some may even be correct but we will never know the truth.

It will serve us all well to discard bias and dishonest media and remember the facts as best we can. It will be a topic of discussion for the rest of our lives.

[Delight]

Apparently ventilators are already becoming unavailable in New York. I read this on reddit and it makes sense of the dilemma of production. If we do get though this epicsode, we need to rethink EVERYTHING about the soso specialized and compartmentalized technocracy.

In a way, the sheer imbecility implied in the following makes me think that PERHAPS this was not a planned roll out of an agenda but the culmination of the piled on and piled on inability to comprehend how fragile we are?


user/PlagueofCorpulence (https://www.reddit.com/user/PlagueofCorpulence)Ventilators are known designs. They don't have to develop anything. Just pass a law giving them power to compel manufactuers to act. The government's have had since January to prepare and yet they are only now asking for help.
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Ventilators are known designs. They don't have to develop anything. Just pass a law giving them power to compel manufactuers to act.

Manufacturing engineer here. You have no idea what you are talking about. I don't mean that as an attack, I mean that to point out that it isn't that simple and I'd like to inform you about some realities in Manufacturing.

Manufactured products like ventilators today are built to high tolerances and are often much more complex than manufactured items in the 1940s. They involve high tolerances, lots of various materials, and often complex computer controlled equipment to make the various parts.

Retooling a factory is not like changing your drill bits and now you're building ventilators. It may take a month or more to pivot a factory like that. You need a production plan. I had a college class where I made a production plan for a hydraulic press. A relatively simple one. It took us an entire semester about 40 hours a week with 2-3 people to create this plan.

Also when you say "manufacturers should act." Let's break that statement down. Manufacturers is a broad category. They make a large variety of finished goods. Let's take the factory that manufactures MDF wood laminate table tops. That factory is not going to be building ventilators, or even parts for ventilators using their CNC routers, table saws, laminate press, and edge banding machines.

Neither is the factory that makes soda cans using custom, purpose built manufacturing equipment that literally only make soda cans.

The job shop with 60 CNC Mills could do it.

Factories today are often highly specialized, and have lots of secondary parts suppliers for complex products. A factory that makes power drills for example may buy it's battery cells from one manufacturer, the electric motor from another, and hire a contract manufacturer to make the molded housings.

The factory that fills the soda cans gets them from a factory that makes the soda cans.

Ford factories buy lots of parts from other factories.

You often have to coordinate multiple factories together to supply all that is required for a complex medical device like a ventilator.

And then, medical device industry is highly regulated and has things like clean room facilities for assembly and testing etc. Depending on what's being made.

So it's very easy to log into Reddit and say "Manufacturers should start building ventilators right away there is no excuse".

The reality of modern Manufacturing is much more nuanced and complex than you know.

[Sophocles]

Coronavirus Lockdown! Now It Gets Tough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRR2ot8CuM4)

aRR2ot8CuM4


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There’s an article (https://www.nrk.no/urix/kina-truer-med-a-_drukne-usa-i-koronavirusets-mektige-hav_-1.14951583) (in Norwegian) just posted in the MSM here (NRK) that tells of American politicians who fears that China might use its position as a producer of medicines as a leverage to get the US/Trump to apologize for calling the virus Chinese.

The title of the article is «China threatens «to drown USA in the mighty sea of coronavirus»» [my translation].

[gini]

Chlorine dioxide gas (=MMS) for use in treating respiratory virus infection ----A list of patents of inventions (!?)to use Chlorine dioxide gas to clean rooms,public spaces,and a list of devises
for internal use. And references to experments done on animals through the years.
It really looks like a simple ,doable solution to make workspaces virus free!!
Apperently these inventions and products exist already since the eighties! So why is mms then still not distributed all over the place?? Its cheap and proven to be safe and 100 % effective!
here is the link: https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1955719B1/en

[Agape]

See the problem is really much vaster than what people have been told now and what they know about. I agree that it has to be ones hobby to study biology here on Earth with all its diversity to understand what’s going on in the realm of human population either,
studying just few of them is insufficient.

Anyone who was submerged in biological studies on the cusp of the millennium and preceding it can understand the following:

Viral diseases in humans (https://viralzone.expasy.org/678)

Out of trillions viruses invading us only about a hundred or two have been described, well researched, sequenced, yet we don’t have good medicines against either.

These are the WHO numbers for STIs( sexually transmitted diseases) now common in human populace, those numbers are staggering and far beyond the competence of Covid 19.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sexually-transmitted-infections-(stis)


Believe me that anyone who studied biology and especially microbiology from scratch and knows what is it all about will insist on keeping themselves clean till the end of their lifetime.
The utter ignorance of individuals trying to “flirt” with facts, praise themselves for being free and dirty is not only annoying it’s straight risky.

People with no manners consider their bodies “safe and clean” equals illiteracy.

Bill Gates should consider complexity of the problem we are facing. As someone who are not a biologist he seems to be focused in one direction such as developing vaccines,
unfortunately there’s no cure and we would ever be able to vaccinate people against all the above without compromising their immune system for generations.

Now if they’re testing people for Covid 19, even if they just developed the right test, how many of those people have number of other viral infections that will eventually kill them anyway.
That’s to say anyone on the Big Picture science should discuss this openly,
inform people, teach about prevention and focus on finding cures
but prevention is 100% more important at this point,
preventing the spread.

It’s a global problem, not a Chinese or American problem, increased exponentially by the chemical and gas emissions poured/released to the environment by tons everyday making our self defence mechanisms insufficient, add electromagnetic pollution and your not so favourite 5G, the food we can’t eat and so forth.

If you learn why is this happening you may also understand what are we up against and why is it important to stop it.

Why do we need pure environment, clean habits and manners to survive and live worthy life. Why human being is not an animal to be bred and mate with animals.

If you could understand where did we “come from” you can also appreciate the whole span of difficulty ultimately we are facing now.


🙏🌈

[Free Bird]

Good morning Bill,
Has the whistle-blower been back in touch since? It would d be useful to know his take on all of this.

Apologies if this question has already been asked.

[jaybee]

Everything is emptying out and shutting down. At least in my local area. The children are no longer in school, those over 65, asked to stay in place at home, and day by day more small businesses are shutting down. The stores, and online suppliers are running short of the most basic of items, and I doubt they will be replenished before they are closed down, or running on a skeleton staff.

I have been paying attention, and I fully expect that everyone will be asked to go home.. And stay put. A week or two? A month or more? I do not know. When it will happen? Probably sooner than later as everyone seems to know it's coming... And I do know it is coming.. it appears Wuhan is STILL in a stay put mode... So if this is any indication of what we will be facing.. It's going to be a long haul. I am prepared, I hope you are as well..

I just wanted to say this.. I hope that everyone helps their neighbors. If they didn't have the funds to stock up, offer them a meal, some toilet paper, whatever you can to make sure we all get through this.. I hate to think of children going hungry because mom can't afford to stock up, or worse...Their only safety was being away from their parents at all..

So please, be kind to your neighbors. You never know what is truly going on behind their closed doors.. If you suspect someone is hungry, offer them a meal if you have extra. If you filled your entire garage with toilet tissue? Share some of it.

I just wanted to wish everyone GOOD LUCK! I live in an area where we get snow, everything goes quiet, many lose power, and so we prepare. But the sounds of silence never cease to amaze me.. And I think many will be experiencing something like this for the first time in big cities.. You won't know what to do with yourself within your homes.. Nowhere to go, nothing to go do...

Actually? Perhaps we all needed some time to be alone with our true thoughts, not those of others constantly bombarding us. Hopefully we will all come out of this with a new kinder, more gentle, and far more relaxed attitude.. Because we truly need some change in this world, we need to slow down and think about what we're doing to ourselves, this planet, and how we treat those around us.

Sorry to derail the topic, I just wanted to stop talking about the "What if" scenarios, the statistics, and everything else, and reach out to my peers and say.. I WISH YOU WELL...


re the bolded above -

it would be an amazing turn around if the interruption of our 'normal' routines and addictions ushered in a widespread spiritual awakening and/or enlightenment -

there is something indomitable about the human spirit and since WW2 Western Nations have been pretty safe and comfortable - people are talking about this being the biggest thing - shake up (for us) - since WW2 - so maybe when it's over it will have been the catalyst for something good -

here's hoping :)

[take]

This will be no doubt an unpopular opinion here, but hear me out. I'm agreeing with what I'm about to say on a rational, factual level, but not on an emotional level.

Coronavirus is good for the planet. And for humanity.
There are way too many people that live way too long, unnaturally old. Best case scenario, they don't have to spend the last 10 years of their life suffering on a hospital bed with their personality and memory gone, but they can die a natural, quick death, which is a beautiful thing. Death is a natural, NESCESSARY thing that can also be beautiful.
Anyway, my point being that People consume resources and fly in a manner that WILL lead to a catastrophe sooner or later if nothing is done. The virus reminds us of that. Our way of life these days is unsustainable. Not. Sustainable.

In a purely biologial point of view, and in the longer run, the more people this thing kills, the better it is in the longer run for humanity as a species, and for the planet. May sound harsh, but that's just nature. No good, no bad, just one thing after another.

The price we pay now is a short period of (mostly) individual tragedies, but this will clear the air (literally). Reducing the population is what is needed in order to survive as a species. In fact, the positive impact this thing has already had on the environment, climate, and the quality of air, it's probably saved more lives than it's taken.

Please don't judge, this is not meant to belittle anyone's shortcomings and my heart goes out to anyone and everyone suffering because of this.

Oh and btw, I will definitely take the vaccine if they come up with one, not for myself, but for those around me.

[Bill Ryan]

Good morning Bill,
Has the whistle-blower been back in touch since? It would d be useful to know his take on all of this.

Apologies if this question has already been asked.

(Note to other readers: this is a question about The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission).)

My contact (a Mason and retired British naval officer) passed away a year ago. But I'm quite certain he shared all he knew back in 2010.

He was only a low-level Mason, and he was very surprised to have been invited to the City of London senior Masonic meeting that he witnessed. He thought it was some administrative error that he was there, so he just sat very quietly and listened carefully, with increasing horror as the plans were presented. That was the only meeting he attended.

[Phoenix]

475 deaths in one day in Italy. China never had these kind of figures.

No one seems to be addresing this issue, which either must be due to China lying, or a mutation of the virus, or a combination of both.

The aging population and health of Italians cannot explain all the difference.

UN Population numbers put Lombardy at 10,000,000 people.

Theirr death rate is about 10 / 1000 people die every year.

so 1 out of 100.

So...1%

So 1% of 10,000,000 is 100,000

100,000 / 365 is 274.

274 people should be dying every day in Lombardy..

so 475 is pretty close, having nothing to do with anything new perhaps

[Baby Steps]

Reports from here and there of transporter loads of military wagons etc.
Not going into to many details or links, here is one of our News Papers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/18/london-braces-lockdown-government-prepares-emergency-coronavirus/

Well the ball's starting to speed up.

Love you all :sun:
Alan

Have seen footage of actual main battle tanks moving towards London on transporters - last night.

What ever are they anticipating for the lock down period?

Could it tie in with the recent google changes that will undoubtedly trigger a lot of general conspiracy chat?

[norman]

Mike Adams ( the health ranger ) admits himself that he is NOT a conspiracy theorist.

His spreadsheet modelling is all based on the fiction covid-19-specific death data.

He clings tightly to his 'record' that he was right about Trump declaring a national emergency when he did. Yea right, but, As I said ( and he himself states ) he's not a conspiracy theorist.

He doesn't factor in the probability that Trump is straddling two narratives, hence why Trump is "looking" so stupid and "wrong". On the one hand, he has to get to his objective goal, on the other hand, he has to maintain the "emergency" because the "emergency" is the cover for the completion of the operation he stepped up and voluteered for in the first place.

[carnavas]

This will be no doubt an unpopular opinion here, but hear me out. I'm agreeing with what I'm about to say on a rational, factual level, but not on an emotional level.

Coronavirus is good for the planet. And for humanity.
There are way too many people that live way too long, unnaturally old. Best case scenario, they don't have to spend the last 10 years of their life suffering on a hospital bed with their personality and memory gone, but they can die a natural, quick death, which is a beautiful thing. Death is a natural, NESCESSARY thing that can also be beautiful.
Anyway, my point being that People consume resources and fly in a manner that WILL lead to a catastrophe sooner or later if nothing is done. The virus reminds us of that. Our way of life these days is unsustainable. Not. Sustainable.

In a purely biologial point of view, and in the longer run, the more people this thing kills, the better it is in the longer run for humanity as a species, and for the planet. May sound harsh, but that's just nature. No good, no bad, just one thing after another.

The price we pay now is a short period of (mostly) individual tragedies, but this will clear the air (literally). Reducing the population is what is needed in order to survive as a species. In fact, the positive impact this thing has already had on the environment, climate, and the quality of air, it's probably saved more lives than it's taken.

Please don't judge, this is not meant to belittle anyone's shortcomings and my heart goes out to anyone and everyone suffering because of this.

Oh and btw, I will definitely take the vaccine if they come up with one, not for myself, but for those around me.
Dear take I resonated with your post so much,
Unfortunately I don’t have much political or economical knowledge to use as a basis for any needed analysis and to give an insight on this matter like the rest of dear strong members here but at least I can give out a perspective huh?

This is true especially where I live, not that we are belittling people or being harsh but I have seen with my own eyes how much suffering overpopulation will cause for their own. even if you don’t mention people, we have so many feral cats here that keep on overproducing and its so hard watching them all parents and kids die by an unsustainable environment, we shouldn’t reach the point where nature has no more resource and it starts to destroy us because that’s when it gets hard and we lose our dignity. dying young, having no food or being hit by the cars and many avoidable diseases, the only solution sure is sterilizing and stoping this cycle of death because cats are no wild animals and following the logic people are no animals at all, there needs to be a high standard for living.

Here in Iran people just keep on having so many children, they keep on building so many high rises for more people to come into town and the traffic gets worse everyday. And you know at one point people will just copy each other in every aspect of life and wont contribute some originality, some character or anything! You see so many people talking the same walking the same so what’s the point when they’re not even in touch with themselves?

I myself sometimes feel that my life has gotten half meaningless and I have become half paralyzed and can’t reach my full (ok I don’t want to brag haha but I believe in myself) high potential anymore because there’s no space left, I mean It’s been one year that they started to build a 20 story across our house with no regard for neighbors and bribing the police and I haven’t slept any good night sleep because of all the noise and the pollution has caused me acute lung inflammation which I’m waiting to celebrate with covid-19 and I’m only 25, oh and the other neighbor which has turned their house into a filming spot with all the noisy crew every other day. I sometimes think that maybe I have to accept death for a better world without all the energy someone like me lost.

Just some days into the quarantine here and I already hear so many birds singing their lungs out out of joy! And I sometimes get amazed by how clear I see the clouds.

Oh and by the way 2 famous figures have already died here apart from so many doctors(one took ibuprofen because fever wouldn’t subside) and nurses (wishing them all rest), one an economy professor called Fariborz Raisdana (71 was his age) and the other a member of Irans assembly of experts called Hashem Bathaie Golpayegani(79)

[take]

This will be no doubt an unpopular opinion here, but hear me out. I'm agreeing with what I'm about to say on a rational, factual level, but not on an emotional level.

Coronavirus is good for the planet. And for humanity.
There are way too many people that live way too long, unnaturally old. Best case scenario, they don't have to spend the last 10 years of their life suffering on a hospital bed with their personality and memory gone, but they can die a natural, quick death, which is a beautiful thing. Death is a natural, NESCESSARY thing that can also be beautiful.
Anyway, my point being that People consume resources and fly in a manner that WILL lead to a catastrophe sooner or later if nothing is done. The virus reminds us of that. Our way of life these days is unsustainable. Not. Sustainable.

In a purely biologial point of view, and in the longer run, the more people this thing kills, the better it is in the longer run for humanity as a species, and for the planet. May sound harsh, but that's just nature. No good, no bad, just one thing after another.

The price we pay now is a short period of (mostly) individual tragedies, but this will clear the air (literally). Reducing the population is what is needed in order to survive as a species. In fact, the positive impact this thing has already had on the environment, climate, and the quality of air, it's probably saved more lives than it's taken.

Please don't judge, this is not meant to belittle anyone's shortcomings and my heart goes out to anyone and everyone suffering because of this.

Oh and btw, I will definitely take the vaccine if they come up with one, not for myself, but for those around me.
Dear take I resonated with your post so much,
Unfortunately I don’t have much political or economical knowledge to use as a basis for any needed analysis and to give an insight on this matter like the rest of dear strong members here but at least I can give out a perspective huh?

This is true especially where I live, not that we are belittling people or being harsh but I have seen with my own eyes how much suffering overpopulation will cause for their own. even if you don’t mention people, we have so many feral cats here that keep on overproducing and its so hard watching them all parents and kids die by an unsustainable environment, we shouldn’t reach the point where nature has no more resource and it starts to destroy us because that’s when it gets hard and we lose our dignity. dying young, having no food or being hit by the cars and many avoidable diseases, the only solution sure is sterilizing and stoping this cycle of death because cats are no wild animals and following the logic people are no animals at all, there needs to be a high standard for living.

Here in Iran people just keep on having so many children, they keep on building so many high rises for more people to come into town and the traffic gets worse everyday. And you know at one point people will just copy each other in every aspect of life and wont contribute some originality, some character or anything! You see so many people talking the same walking the same so what’s the point when they’re not even in touch with themselves?

I myself sometimes feel that my life has gotten half meaningless and I have become half paralyzed and can’t reach my full (ok I don’t want to brag haha but I believe in myself) high potential anymore because there’s no space left, I mean It’s been one year that they started to build a 20 story across our house with no regard for neighbors and bribing the police and I haven’t slept any good night sleep because of all the noise and the pollution has caused me acute lung inflammation which I’m waiting to celebrate with covid-19 and I’m only 25, oh and the other neighbor which has turned their house into a filming spot with all the noisy crew every other day. I sometimes think that maybe I have to accept death for a better world without all the energy someone like me lost.

Just some days into the quarantine here and I already hear so many birds singing their lungs out out of joy! And I sometimes get amazed by how clear I see the clouds.

Oh and by the way 2 famous figures have already died here apart from so many doctors(one took ibuprofen because fever wouldn’t subside) and nurses (wishing them all rest), one an economy professor called Fariborz Raisdana (71 was his age) and the other a member of Irans assembly of experts called Hashem Bathaie Golpayegani(79)

Thank you so much for your response. All the best to Iran, stay safe!

Edit: news like these give me so much joy and hope. Dolphins swimming in the Venetian canals after lockdown!https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dolphins-venice-canals-coronavirus-lockdown-italy-a4390686.html

[RogeRio]

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg

for record pourposes, indeed
(and my sincere condolences)

-- edit -- to clarify any adverse innuendo

I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.


it may not have been a good post, but claim it is not credible using stereotype without any evidence of claim is even worse.

this "info" was published (https://www.oantagonista.com/mundo/a-batalha-perdida/?desk) by a brazilian journalist who lives in Italy, is married with an italian woman, and has two italian children.

--re-edit-- to fact-checking


Here you go Onawah, this is a link to a major London newspaper

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/19/army-trucks-filled-bodies-overflowing-morgues-drive-streets-italy-12423685/

many thanks .. agree to take a coffe-break :coffee:

[Caliban]

I was in Target this morning (so banal after the previous post from Italia, but...). The workers were re-stocking shelves with paper and other products. So people are going nuts, much of that stuff is produced here in the U.S. Supplies are still moving and stores are being replenished. Timing is everything, I suppose.

When I was leaving I felt like saying something to the lady spraying the registers: "Taking your vitamins?" "Huh?" "Vitamins, vitamin c, you know?" "Uh, once in a while...sometimes." And she coughed. "That's from this," she said, pointing at the spray bottle in her hand.

I wondered as I left: Could she be right, not making a big deal out of the whole vitamin thing? She's out there working, mixing with people. Maybe she's building up strength in her way.

I also wondered about those workers in general. They need the money sure, but it's also kinda heroic. Rough seas ahead! Stock that toilet paper! They're like first responders before the first responders.

[mountain_jim]

Maybe not the best thread for this, but we know China censored, arrested, etc. early reporters when this contagion got started.

This from the founder/leader of Gab (a free-speech twitter replacement) and other communication tools, including Dissenter which allows the user to comment on other web-sites that don't allow commenting.

It is important during this time to be able to get uncensored, citizen reports of what's going on, as we do here at Avalon, and Gab is a big help in that area in my view.

(Yes - I realize the site is associated with an 'alt-right' community but the tools being built are opinion and viewpoint agnostic).


https://gab.com/a/posts/103847768868478870



Andrew Torba

Many of you have been asking if Gab has been under attack with everything that is going on.

The short answer is yes.

The difference between us and Silicon Valley is that we have been fighting back for months now.

This all started earlier this year when the Coronavirus news was breaking from independent journalists in China. Many of them joined Gab at the time after experiencing censorship from WeChat and other big tech apps.

State-sponsored bots are attacking the entire internet with anti-American propaganda and other psyops. Twitter is allowing Chinese bots to flood the site with anti-Trump messaging. These aren't real people expressing their opinions. They are robots pushing a narrative from the Communist Chinese government.

Another example is Facebook and Youtube sending all of their employees and content moderators home and leaving their platforms to be moderated by robots. It's a total disaster. Real journalists and vital news about the coronavirus is being marked as "spam" and censored by Facebook and Youtube. It's disgusting, irresponsible, and reckless.

The usual suspects of activists who LARP as "journalists" are up to their old tricks, writing blog posts attacking Gab and our community even amidst a global pandemic. Teams of academic researchers, funded by US FEDERAL MONEY, are publishing "studies" about our community and website.

It's been nonstop, from every angle.

Our team is working overtime to combat all of this and build products that are valuable, stay true to our mission, and help change the world.

Thank you all for your prayers and continued support. Gab is 100% funded and powered by people like you. If you want to support our team and mission in this war the best thing you can do is tell a friend about Gab and go Gab PRO: https://pro.gab.com

[anandacate]

This video is over an hour long but very thorough.

Dr. Jackson includes many natural, non-toxic solutions and resources for sanitizing plus much more about how to handle this situation.

Dr. Jackson also provides much good hope for the future. Well worth listening to, IMHO.

Dr. Robert Jackson, Rheumatologist (http://psnmo.net/about-psn/dr-robert-jackson-rheumatology/), compares our current situation with similar past situations, including the 1918 Spanish Flu.

PSN Dr. Jackson Describes the effects and forecast for the COVID-19 outbreak
Mar 12, 2020 (1:40:51)
jH2DFJzCPQE

[Free Bird]

Good morning Bill,
Has the whistle-blower been back in touch since? It would d be useful to know his take on all of this.

Apologies if this question has already been asked.

(Note to other readers: this is a question about The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission).)

My contact (a Mason and retired British naval officer) passed away a year ago. But I'm quite certain he shared all he knew back in 2010.

He was only a low-level Mason, and he was very surprised to have been invited to the City of London senior Masonic meeting that he witnessed. He thought it was some administrative error that he was there, so he just sat very quietly and listened carefully, with increasing horror as the plans were presented. That was the only meeting he attended.

Thank you Bill.

[norman]

Why are there so many planes still in the air ?

https://www.flightradar24.com/45.31,-10.45/3

If it's supposed to be a lockdown ?

But, what I DO see is a large number of planes crossing the atlantic directly through a region that usually isn't used much, straight towards the caribbean/cuba area.

[Tintin]

UK Coronavirus Bill - now published by the UK Government.

Link (the Bill): https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/20122.pdf

Link, the explanatory notes making the Bill more intelligible: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/en/20122en.pdf

Library link to the documents, here: http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/UK_Coronavirus_Bill_2020/


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/UK_Coronavirus_Bill_2020/UK_Coronavirus_Bill_2020_explanatory_notes_compressed.pdf

[araucaria]

Coronavirus is good for the planet. And for humanity.
There are way too many people that live way too long, unnaturally old.
(…)
In fact, the positive impact this thing has already had on the environment, climate, and the quality of air, it's probably saved more lives than it's taken.
You raise an interesting point here with the ecological angle. Those who see this pandemic as some nefarious plan drastically to reduce the world population are not going to like this because ultimately that is not going to happen, au contraire. You make it sound much more like nature’s way of looking after herself. Nature, it would seem, does not put the same low figure on overpopulation as the elite does. That is because the elite are the ones overconsuming and taking up the most space, and they can take the biggest, most effective steps to stay alive, while also growing in numbers. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission&p=1094385&viewfull=1#post1094385).

But if this is nature at work, apart from serving notice, she is doing no more than a little random trimming of possibly the least interesting people, with the smallest footprints and the shortest life expectancy. If you are old and bedridden, you are not doing too much environmental damage. The people most responsible for that know how to protect themselves. They are largely out of harm’s way from nature, while at war with her. Localized outbreaks in places like central London (which is happening to some extent (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/zero-prospect-of-london-lockdown-involving-movement-limits-says-no-10)) would be more “useful” – places where earth-shakers/hand-shakers might be found. But you read also of how the megarich are jetting out to their underground bunkers. So the bottom line is that nature may be relying on humanity as a whole, possibly through weight of sheer numbers, to stop this minority activity from becoming too rampant.

[Tintin]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.


A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



Thanks Dennis :flower:

I've just alerted The Guardian newspaper international newsdesk on this development :highfive:

[Caliban]

"Hey man, I got ups, downs, whachyou lookin' for? Oh the Corona Test Kit. Come wit me..."


https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1240160758908026880

[Arcturian108]

Just received this from a good friend:

Lockdown by Brother Richard:
Yes there is fear.
Yes there is isolation.
Yes there is panic buying.
Yes there is sickness.
Yes there is even death.
But,
They say that in Wuhan after so many years of noise
You can hear the birds again.
They say that after just a few weeks of quiet
The sky is no longer thick with fumes
But blue and grey and clear.
They say that in the streets of Assisi
People are singing to each other
across the empty squares,
keeping their windows open
so that those who are alone
may hear the sounds of family around them.
They say that a hotel in the West of Ireland
Is offering free meals and delivery to the housebound.
Today a young woman I know
is busy spreading fliers with her number
through the neighbourhood
So that the elders may have someone to call on.
Today Churches, Synagogues, Mosques and Temples
are preparing to welcome
and shelter the homeless, the sick, the weary
All over the world people are slowing down and reflecting
All over the world people are looking at their neighbours in a new way
All over the world people are waking up to a new reality
To how big we really are.
To how little control we really have.
To what really matters.
To Love.
So we pray and we remember that
Yes there is fear.
But there does not have to be hate.
Yes there is isolation.
But there does not have to be loneliness.
Yes there is panic buying.
But there does not have to be meanness.
Yes there is sickness.
But there does not have to be disease of the soul
Yes there is even death.
But there can always be a rebirth of love.
Wake to the choices you make as to how to live now.
Today, breathe.
Listen, behind the factory noises of your panic
The birds are singing again
The sky is clearing,
Spring is coming,
And we are always encompassed by Love.
Open the windows of your soul
And though you may not be able
to touch across the empty square,
Sing

[TrumanCash]

UPDATE on progress of our machine that was ordered from Luohe, China to Idaho via Fedex:

Dec 11, 2019 -- Ordered the machine through Alibaba. Alibaba then required additional credit card and personal information which was provided. Alibaba continued to refuse to accept the order after numerous attempts to order.

Jan 15, 2020 -- We finally gave up on Alibaba since they made it impossible to order the machine through their website. We had to order directly from Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Company using one of their PayPal accounts. Machine was ordered on Jan 15th but we were informed that the company had just gone on the Chinese New Year holiday and would be back to send out our order on February 1.

Feb. 9, 2020 -- We were informed by the factory sales rep that the factory would not be back to work until the 18th of February due to their "special time" [aka, coronavirus outbreak].

Feb. 23, 2020 -- We were informed that the factory was back to work and they were putting our order together. We were subsequently informed that they did not have our specified electrical plug in stock and that the factory that made those specific plugs was not yet back to work. We then told them to skip the plug and send it out as is (without the plug which is readily available in the US).

March 5, 2020 -- The factory sent a picture of the machine in a wooden crate ready to be shipped out.

March 9, 2020 -- The factory informed us that the machine had been sent out and gave us the Fedex tracking number that showed that the machine was in Dongguan, China.

March 10, 2020 -- Machine in Guangzhou, China.

March 11, 2020 -- Machine was flown to Honolulu and awaiting customs clearance but Fedex made it very difficult to get information on what forms and information that customs required.

March 13, 2020 -- Machine had cleared customs "International shipment release--Import". There were no customs duty charged by the US for our imported machine.

March 14, 2020 -- Fedex tracking stated that our machine would arrive in Idaho on Monday, March 16th. However, the shipment was delayed in Honolulu. At this point Fedex kept changing the tracking data in contradiction to their previous tracking data and apparently the machine arrived in Oakland, CA ~March 15.

March 19, 2020 -- Fedex tracking still showing the machine is delayed in Oakland, CA, with no delivery date -- "No scheduled delivery date available at this time."

The air shipment of our machine was originally only supposed to take 6 days. The interruptions and delays in Fedex services are understandable under the circumstances. The problems with Alibaba not accepting payment in December is not understandable (WTF?)

ZeroHedge's Cov-19 Update (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-deaths-italy-track-surpass-china-more-countries-close-borders-confirmed-cases) today reported the following from Jeffrey Kleintop:

Is China a leading indicator for the rest of the world as COVID-19 runs its course?
*FEDEX SAYS CHINA DEMAND HAS REBOUNDED MORE THAN EXPECTED
*FEDEX SAYS 90-95% OF LARGE CHINESE MANUFACTURERS BACK OPERATING
*FEDEX SAYS 65-70% OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN CHINA OPERATING AGAIN

[Patient]

There was a goose on the very top of my house this morning, honking away!

I took that as a good sign. :)

[Caliban]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1341984&viewfull=1#post1341984

Listen to the last 20 minutes of this Icke intervew, done a day ago. Pure Gold.

If this "virus crisis" does anything for us that's good, it'll shift us--even those of "us" who've already been moving--into a new paradigm of experiencing. Enough is enough.

[T Smith]

DISCLAIMER: I only consider this, I do not assume all is correct!

John Martin (https://www.facebook.com/johnpmartin1975?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARAksLQDsQRXIGiEbmEw19dZ1FcaACpylzX3w_cJnL_VFQEbR43ldDF4B3t3ej-rnRENGrUCLs_YKJlJ&hc_ref=ARQTf6AuNnaPywzjG-WtSfDw-QLyTNRMVqGflvsW_GKVangt7qRpWeMCF8yF5xhFRCg&fref=nf) [quote] "HOW TO CREATE A FAKE PANDEMIC 101"

STEP 01 - Suppress people's already weakened immune systems by rolling out 5G wireless technology (which is used as a weapon in the military). Don't test it for safety, people will trust you if you say it's safe. Just tell them you can download porn really fast with it.


STEP 02 - Declare that there is a new virus in an area of the world where 5G is already rolled out. If there is high pollution in the area, even better. Wuhan, China as a totally random example. Do it in winter when people's immune systems are already suppressed.


STEP 03 - Start testing people for infection with an inaccurate test which no one even knows the accuracy of. Make sure it gives lots of false negatives and false positives for maximum uncertainty. Most people will just take the numbers of infected you present as fact.

STEP 04 - Focus on mainly testing people who are really sick. Use the excuse of test shortages and cost (legitimate excuses) for why most healthy people aren't being tested. That way it will look like the case fatality rate is much higher than reality. But just to help make it look real, 5G will help increase the real case fatality rate.


STEP 05 - Make sure the media goes all in on over hyping and fear mongering. Get most of the sellout alternative media on board too and make them hype it up even more. Focus on areas of the world with lots of old people and active 5G, like Northern Italy... And cruise ships. Convince people that where they live will end up just as bad and worse. Make people so paranoid that they overwhelm hospitals by coming in with the first sign of the sniffles. This zombie rush of paranoid idiots will make it appear that entire countries are getting sicker when mostly they are just getting increasingly paranoid. As a bonus, some people will become susceptible to sickness just by remaining in non-stop sleep deprived active adrenal paranoia. Even many practicing doctors and nurses may be fooled by the zombie onslaught, especially those in 5G areas.


STEP 06 - After weeks of testing very few people, start testing far more people at an exponential rate. This will create the illusion that the outbreak is now spreading rapidly, when really tons of people would have likely tested positive back before anyone even knew there was a virus. If you time it right, it will look like a growing serious threat rather than an always present nothing-burger. For added effect, report that a (coincidentally disproportionate) number of politicians and famous people are infected. This is when the masses start to grow increasingly concerned rather than just a tiny minority


STEP 07 - Start counting people who die of the flu or other similar illnesses as dying of the pandemic virus to inflate the numbers. Symptoms are similar, so this isn't a stretch. Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the flu, so this can make your fake pandemic look much more real by inflating your numbers.


STEP 08 - Wait until the perception of the pandemic is scary enough that people are demanding to be mass quarantined and think it's a fantastic idea and the only solution. Then start a slow motion quarantine rollout. Get the people to lead you to quarantine them instead of forcing it on them, to avoid resistance. Make it look like it wasn't your plan all along, but rather the only reasonable course of action.


STEP 09 (OPTION 1) - Keep things locked down until warmer sunnier weather decreases incidence of what is otherwise mostly normal symptoms of colds and flus (plus some 5G immune suppression). Declare that the quarantines were effective, and that without them, tens of millions would have died. Yay for big government! Yay for tyranny!

STEP 09 (OPTION 2) - Keep society under permanent medical martial law. With numbers never going up but not disappearing fully either. Perfect excuse for permanent tyranny. Especially in the midst of economic collapse which you will have created by now with the fearmongering and quarantines. Travel will remain heavily controlled as long as you want. People will accept the tyranny because they are terrified of the outbreak getting out of control.


STEP 10 - Eventually present a vaccine which most people take unquestioningly. After all the fear mongering and the quarantines, people will be completely paranoid and no longer thinking rationally (assuming they ever did at one time). This vaccine will mess with their immune system just like flu vaccines do. Ideally, add this to the yearly set of vaccinations. Get people to line up willingly to shorten their lifespans and make them more susceptible to a real pandemic. Don't worry, most people will not require evidence of efficacy nor safety. They still trust the government and media despite absolutely no reason to do so.


Congratulations! You now have the tools to make your own fake pandemic. [unquote].

DISCLAIMER: I only consider this, I do not assume all is correct!

Source (https://www.facebook.com/johnpmartin1975/posts/10219129039151405)


I second your disclaimer, but when "considering" your steps, the only thing the I might disagree with is step 10... present a vaccine that people take unquestionably... This will be more along the lines of, present a vaccine people MUST take, as responsible citizens and for the sake of protecting their fellow humans... governments probably won't even need to enforce this, the mob will enforce this.

If there is a vaccine to remedy the nightmare we're all going through, it won't be voluntary. It will be mandatory.

If this comes to pass, this is nothing short of ushering in Huxley's ultimate revolution. (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24712.htm)

[Delight]

I don't know what we are buying with the massive printing of money and rescue of corporations. We need to protect PEOPLE with any funds.

wMwEZaXlcrY

1239702052638527488

[wondering]

Dear Arcturian108 Thank you, very soul touching. In my friends condo complex there is an older Christian woman who doesn’t drive, has trouble walking, etc. My friend helps her a lot with store runs. This morning she called my friend to say she didn’t need her to get water. Two young Muslim people are fixing up the condo next to her, although they don’t live there. Without being asked they brought her 3 cases of water and some gloves she needed...... This is not the only story I have heard like I this. I doubt they saw anything besides her need. She only knows they are Muslim because of the hijab. The heart sees what the heart sees..... Diane

[Delight]

It was just a week ago that the increasing urgency started.
Del Bigtree trying to look at the various POV on Covid-19.

After thinking more and more, I am now on the side that we cannot really afford to shut down the economy. IMO when we weigh the deaths of those too ill to manage given our present capacities and weigh the long term dangers of shutting down, the choice to go on with "everyday life" is more important.

If I get the virus and become very ill, I may die but life will go on. If we shut down, life that we "cherish" which is work, play and friends in essence may be threatened.

But this is not taking into consideration about how to protect the health care workers.

Xaycvo79v6w

[Dennis Leahy]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.

A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



Thanks Dennis :flower:

I've just alerted The Guardian newspaper international newsdesk on this development :highfive:
Thanks, Tintin.

It's not like I have extraordinary contacts, so I am kind of surprised that this has not been confirmed (at least, that they heard it too) by someone else here on this forum. There has to be others that have a US National Guard soldier contact, or contact of a contact...

I guess we'll know if this was BS in the next few days. Having lived in the US all my life and having been aware for the past 40 years, both politically and of a behind the curtain cabal running the US agenda, makes this very easy to believe.

They murdered JFK in broad daylight to announce they were in control, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA jobs.

They pulled off 9/11, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA (and Mossad) jobs.

How anyone could believe that the US government is anything but a mobster organization and a front for the "Shadow Government" that planned the JFK hit, 9/11, and now probably the coronavirus gambit, is beyond me. The power of propaganda multiplied by fear psychology techniques, I guess. I'm convinced that there is a virus that I don't want to have to fight off, but everything else about the coronavirus is coming more into focus, to me, as a planned, multi-faceted gambit. I don't wonder if there will be soldiers in the streets - what I'm wondering is how long they will extend the militarized lockdown: long enough to force the heavily armed civilians to take to the streets and make Kent state a picnic in comparison? Pitting part of society (soldiers, cops) against another part of society (civilian citizens), and the guilty, the planners, the rulers are not in the crossfire. Sounds like it may well be part of their grand plan, to me.

[thepainterdoug]

A Harvard professor and a Chinese scientist, sponsored by Harvard are arrested , the scientist trying to smuggle out of the USA some biological material to take back to China.
2 min vid / your tax dollars at work


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sTpLGjLk9s

[scotslad]

UK UPDATE

1. Interest rates reduced to 0.1%

2. Bank of England offering to pay £200Bn of govt debt !?!?

3. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-action-plan/coronavirus-action-plan-a-guide-to-what-you-can-expect-across-the-uk

4. What the corona virus bill will do

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-bill-what-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do

5. Is this the UK version of the patriots act

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-bill-emergency-laws-to-contain-spread-of-covid-19-published-11959342

Read the new powers that the government are introducing in 5 above.

Is this the PROBLEM > REACTION > SOLUTION Agenda they really want to introduce?

6. Some banks and mortgage companies are offering to reduce or delay mortgage repayments for two or three months for people who are impacted by the virus and currently up-to-date with their payments.

However, do check to see if taking a payment holiday will show as arrears on your credit file and could have a negative impact on your credit score. Please also be aware that although no mortgage payment will be due in that time, interest will still be accrued and added to your mortgage balance.

Please check with your own lender what the implications and benefits are. More importantly ensure they are transparent and explain all TCs before accepting their new offer or terms.

7. Fruit n Veg pricing up 100-250% as per channel 4 news item

What do you make of all that?

[Zionbrion]

Update from Mike Adams. Could be sensationalism, but I have a feeling things are about to get a lot worse even before reading this.

https://naturalnews.com/2020-03-19-urgent-alert-financial-system-collapsing-food-supply-hyperinflation.html

URGENT alert: Financial system collapsing, food supply collapsing, hyperinflation coming, guns and ammo wiped out, military martial law plans leaked… details

Keeping this very short, as things are developing very rapidly. If you can’t handle the reality of this situation, don’t read the following overview. To those who can’t handle words, you need to accelerate your adjustment curve or you won’t survive:

We are upgrading our preparedness recommendations to 18 months of food and critical supplies. This is not some sort of self-serving statement, since our own store barely has anything left to sell.

The financial system is cratering. Banks will begin to fold soon. Many deposits will be wiped out. Some are moving into T-bills (US Treasury), even knowing the dollar will lose a lot of value this year due to monetary debasement. “America will end as we know it. I’m sorry to say so, unless we take this option,” – Bill Ackerman, CNBC.com, imploring Trump to shut down the entire nation for 30 days.

Pensions are being wiped out right now, exactly along the lines we’ve been warning about for years (see Pensions.news for historical articles). If you had exposure to the bubble stock market, those assets are being eviscerated by the day. Expect an 80% loss.

Real estate will begin to crater soon. Expect a 40% plunge on average, nationwide. Unemployment will skyrocket to Great Depression levels in less than 90 days. This is not a drill.

The “free money” insanity being pushed by the Trump administration will result in rapid price inflation across America, putting us on the path toward a Venezuela-type scenario and more money printing goes to insane levels to bail out everybody and everything in the economy. Dumpster diving for food, the national sport of the failed state of Venezuela, will soon be commonplace in many US cities.

The food supply is cratering in many regions, with food distribution hubs gutted, and many local retailers cleaned out. City dwellers are “hunting” for grocery stores in rural areas that have more food. We anticipate gun battles over food to commence soon.

Speaking of guns, every round of ammunition and every firearm in America is just about gone as of today. Retailers still have some supplies, but wholesalers are wiped out everywhere. If you didn’t arm up before now, you will have to pay a sweet premium to acquire anything in this area.

More and more experts and even CDC officials are now openly talking about “millions of deaths” in the USA over the next 18 months. It’s no longer a conspiracy theory. “The new coronavirus could kill millions across the U.S., said Dr. Kathleen Neuzil, director of the Center for Vaccine Development at the University of Maryland’s School of Medicine.” – CNBC.com

Gold and silver supplies are VERY difficult to acquire now (physical), even as spot prices for silver are cratering. But real-world “bid” prices for physical silver are much, much higher, and that’s even if you can find physical silver rounds anywhere.

Once-secret military control plans have been leaked to the media, describing the total military lockdown of the USA. The plan names are “Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac.” From Newsweek.com: “The three most compartmented contingencies – Octagon, Freejack, and Zodiac – call upon various military units in Washington DC, North Carolina and eastern Maryland to defend government operations if there is a total breakdown. The seventh plan – codenamed Granite Shadow – lays out the playbook for extraordinary domestic missions that involve weapons of mass destruction.” (In other words, tactical nukes deployed in America.)

The masses of unprepared, oblivious, clueless sheeple are about to lose their ****. Expect looting, robberies, and “gang”-level raids of grocery stores and pharmacies soon. Law enforcement will be very quickly overrun. Chaos is about to commence. Prepare your chest rig with level IV ballistic plates.

This is NOT a drill. This is NOT a hoax. And this isn’t going to be over in a month. Some independent media outlets have been infiltrated by the communist Chinese to push the “hoax” narrative so that Americans are late to get prepared as the financial collapse commences.

Once America has begun to fall, the Chinese may launch a land invasion of America. All those in California who still have AR-15s and 30-round magazines, gear up for defense of the homeland against invading communist troops.

---
ON ANOTHER NOTE: I manage a cafe today we were expecting an order of supplies like rice, beans etc...(even ordered 3 different types of rice in anticipation of out of stock items) driver showed up with only hemp protein, said they are out of everything and couldn’t fill our order.

[jaybee]

I'm keeping the possibility that we are actually in an ongoing World War using biological weapons... on the back burner..

That could be ONE explanation for the extreme responses and hype surrounding all this - that governments are awareof what's going on and of the build up of biological 'hostilities' and are making preparations for either, more to come - or dealing with what has already taken place -

this could be being kept secret from the public to avoid more panic and more economic and social breakdown -and if it became known that such and such a country (or group) had released a biological weapon(s) on your country there would be heavy demands for a military response then there would be a biological war AND a conventional war going on at the same time and that would be grim, to say the least...

just speculating because of the high probability of Coronavirus being a man made weaponized virus... and a lot of countries being on the brink of Marshal Law...

I don't know what's to be done if we are actually in a Biological World War.... like I said it's speculation on the back burner
if this isn't 'just' the Globalist Elite regaining power after Brexit, the Trump Presidency and the rise of populism..


https://www.pbs.org/video/the-open-mind-germs-biological-weapons-and-americas-secret-war/

New York Times correspondent Judith Miller discusses her books on germs and biological warfare.

[pueblo]

Why are there so many planes still in the air ?

https://www.flightradar24.com/45.31,-10.45/3

If it's supposed to be a lockdown ?

But, what I DO see is a large number of planes crossing the atlantic directly through a region that usually isn't used much, straight towards the caribbean/cuba area.

I am in the South East of Ireland and I'm a regular plane/chemtrail watcher, well used to seeing plenty of European/US transatlantic commercial activity. On clear days I can always see the planes, I presume they cruise around 30-35k feet.

Recently (the past few weeks), on clear days I can hear big engines overhead but can see nothing, I am presuming they are more likely to be military craft at higher altitudes, but I don't know.

I no longer see the steady stream of commercial craft in the skies, but continue to see sporadic bouts of chemtrailing, glad they still have time for that.

[mountain_jim]

If Mike Adam's dystopian views above are an accurate near future then me thinks it will be time to move on to another incarnation (or whatever) - would be nothing left for me to willingly accomplish in this one. NO FEAR.

[Agape]

Just received this from a good friend:

Lockdown by Brother Richard:
Yes there is fear.
Yes there is isolation.
Yes there is panic buying.
Yes there is sickness.
Yes there is even death.
But,
They say that in Wuhan after so many years of noise
You can hear the birds again.
They say that after just a few weeks of quiet
The sky is no longer thick with fumes
But blue and grey and clear.
They say that in the streets of Assisi
People are singing to each other
across the empty squares,
keeping their windows open
so that those who are alone
may hear the sounds of family around them.
They say that a hotel in the West of Ireland
Is offering free meals and delivery to the housebound.
Today a young woman I know
is busy spreading fliers with her number
through the neighbourhood
So that the elders may have someone to call on.
Today Churches, Synagogues, Mosques and Temples
are preparing to welcome
and shelter the homeless, the sick, the weary
All over the world people are slowing down and reflecting
All over the world people are looking at their neighbours in a new way
All over the world people are waking up to a new reality
To how big we really are.
To how little control we really have.
To what really matters.
To Love.
So we pray and we remember that
Yes there is fear.
But there does not have to be hate.
Yes there is isolation.
But there does not have to be loneliness.
Yes there is panic buying.
But there does not have to be meanness.
Yes there is sickness.
But there does not have to be disease of the soul
Yes there is even death.
But there can always be a rebirth of love.
Wake to the choices you make as to how to live now.
Today, breathe.
Listen, behind the factory noises of your panic
The birds are singing again
The sky is clearing,
Spring is coming,
And we are always encompassed by Love.
Open the windows of your soul
And though you may not be able
to touch across the empty square,
Sing


Yes there is fear, there is tension,
not much panic buying
the corona threat flies in the air
purely hypothetically

But the air is fresh again
and social distances back to days of old
with better knowing and kindness in your eyes

One hype took over another hype with grip of fear

The hype of money, travel and endless obsession with tourism
yes the wealthiest now fear the economical crisis the most
Bigger the gains bigger the losses

But I wish to tell each & every one:

you will get disposed of your fear too


Everything is temporary and transient


Peace and patience Peace and patience 🙏🌟🙏

[jaybee]

Update from Mike Adams. Could be sensationalism, but I have a feeling things are about to get a lot worse even before reading this.


Image: URGENT alert: Financial system collapsing, food supply collapsing, hyperinflation coming, guns and ammo wiped out, military martial law plans leaked… details

(Natural News) Keeping this very short, as things are developing very rapidly. If you can’t handle the reality of this situation, don’t read the following overview. To those who can’t handle words, you need to accelerate your adjustment curve or you won’t survive:

We are upgrading our preparedness recommendations to 18 months of food and critical supplies. This is not some sort of self-serving statement, since our own store barely has anything left to sell.

The financial system is cratering. Banks will begin to fold soon. Many deposits will be wiped out. Some are moving into T-bills (US Treasury), even knowing the dollar will lose a lot of value this year due to monetary debasement. “America will end as we know it. I’m sorry to say so, unless we take this option,” – Bill Ackerman, CNBC.com, imploring Trump to shut down the entire nation for 30 days.

Pensions are being wiped out right now, exactly along the lines we’ve been warning about for years (see Pensions.news for historical articles). If you had exposure to the bubble stock market, those assets are being eviscerated by the day. Expect an 80% loss.

Real estate will begin to crater soon. Expect a 40% plunge on average, nationwide. Unemployment will skyrocket to Great Depression levels in less than 90 days. This is not a drill.

The “free money” insanity being pushed by the Trump administration will result in rapid price inflation across America, putting us on the path toward a Venezuela-type scenario and more money printing goes to insane levels to bail out everybody and everything in the economy. Dumpster diving for food, the national sport of the failed state of Venezuela, will soon be commonplace in many US cities.

The food supply is cratering in many regions, with food distribution hubs gutted, and many local retailers cleaned out. City dwellers are “hunting” for grocery stores in rural areas that have more food. We anticipate gun battles over food to commence soon.
Speaking of guns, every round of ammunition and every firearm in America is just about gone as of today. Retailers still have some supplies, but wholesalers are wiped out everywhere. If you didn’t arm up before now, you will have to pay a sweet premium to acquire anything in this area.

More and more experts and even CDC officials are now openly talking about “millions of deaths” in the USA over the next 18 months. It’s no longer a conspiracy theory. “The new coronavirus could kill millions across the U.S., said Dr. Kathleen Neuzil, director of the Center for Vaccine Development at the University of Maryland’s School of Medicine.” – CNBC.com

Gold and silver supplies are VERY difficult to acquire now (physical), even as spot prices for silver are cratering. But real-world “bid” prices for physical silver are much, much higher, and that’s even if you can find physical silver rounds anywhere.
Once-secret military control plans have been leaked to the media, describing the total military lockdown of the USA. The plan names are “Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac.” From Newsweek.com: “The three most compartmented contingencies – Octagon, Freejack, and Zodiac – call upon various military units in Washington DC, North Carolina and eastern Maryland to defend government operations if there is a total breakdown. The seventh plan – codenamed Granite Shadow – lays out the playbook for extraordinary domestic missions that involve weapons of mass destruction.” (In other words, tactical nukes deployed in America.)

The masses of unprepared, oblivious, clueless sheeple are about to lose their ****. Expect looting, robberies, and “gang”-level raids of grocery stores and pharmacies soon. Law enforcement will be very quickly overrun. Chaos is about to commence. Prepare your chest rig with level IV ballistic plates.

This is NOT a drill. This is NOT a hoax. And this isn’t going to be over in a month. Some independent media outlets have been infiltrated by the communist Chinese to push the “hoax” narrative so that Americans are late to get prepared as the financial collapse commences.

Once America has begun to fall, the Chinese may launch a land invasion of America. All those in California who still have AR-15s and 30-round magazines, gear up for defense of the homeland against invading communist troops.


ON ANOTHER NOTE: I manage a cafe today we were expecting an order of supplies like rice, beans etc...(even ordered 3 different types of rice in anticipation of out of stock items) driver showed up with only hemp protein, said they are out of everything and couldn’t fill our order.


All of it but especially the bolded above...... bloody hell...... eek and double eek -

From what I've seen of Mike Adams he's no one's fool and when the blatant censorship began on Internet Social Media he was one of the first to be targeted -

From memory - Mike Adams (who has a laboratory) says that the Coronavirus has had the AIDS virus and SARS inserted into it -

[Caliban]

Here's something to counteract the Mike Adams thing. Something rather positive and hopeful.


OAJD4csMBng

[jaybee]

If Mike Adam's dystopian views above are an accurate near future then me thinks it will be time to move on to another incarnation (or whatever) - would be nothing left for me to willingly accomplish in this one. NO FEAR.


Oh Mountain Jim - I'm sure there are going to be many opportunities for you to do Random Acts of Kindness before all this lot is over ;)

I've noticed that in spite of the recommended 'social distancing' people are being extra nice to each other when they can -

[thepainterdoug]

Im kinda done with Mike Adams. I gave my boots on the ground counterpoint to his claim that the National guard quarantined people at gunpoint in New Rochelle where my son lives . Its complete fear mongering and fear porn to sell panic.

i hope people remember Mike Adams when things calm . And they hold him accountable for these overly produced Hollywood sci- fi style vids designed for panic, and sales

People its either going to pass and all will be ok, or were all doomed to a world I don't want to live in anyhow. so lets do our best and let it be

[norman]

What do you make of all that?



Quite franky, it makes me wonder if there is an incomming asteroid the size of Wales.

[Sunny]

Fiji has its first case of COVID-19.
Previous to this moment, it established its own "Center for Disease Control" so that people can be tested in Fiji for the virus, rather than sending it overseas.
A prominent politician recommended that Fijians start to grow their own food, in case of disruptions to the supply chain.
And now:

FIRST CASE OF COVID-19 IN FIJI

• Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama has just confirmed that Fiji is putting into place a number of measures following the first case of COVID-19 in the country.
• Bainimarama says the patient from Lautoka is in stable condition and is being monitored by health officials.
• He says the person contracted the disease overseas and the health teams are working on being in contact with people who could have been potentially exposed to the virus.
• From midnight tonight, our border restrictions on mainland China, Italy, Iran, Spain and South Korea will be extended to foreign nationals who have been present in the United States of America and all of Europe, including the United Kingdom, within 14 days of their intended travel to Fiji. Also from midnight, anyone entering Fiji from any overseas destination will be required to self-quarantine for 14 days, meaning they must stay in one place and avoid contact with others or going out in public as much as possible.
• Starting tonight at midnight, all schools and non-essential businesses within the greater Lautoka area will be closed until further notice.
• The greater Lautoka area is that spanning from King’s Road at Nacilau Junction past Matawalu Village, to the feeder road at Vakabuli Junction, to the Queen’s Road at Natalau Junction.
• Banks, supermarkets and pharmacies –– and other essential businesses –– in the Greater Lautoka Area will remain open.
• Essential businesses include air and rescue services, air traffic control services, civil aviation, telecommunication services, food and sanitary manufacturing plants, electricity services, emergency services, fire services, health and hospital services, lighthouse services, meteorological services, mine pumping, ventilation and winding, sanitary services, supply and distribution of fuel and gas, power, telecommunications, garbage collection, transport services and water and sewage services.
• Fijians who work –– but do not live –– in this area should report to the nearest office outside of the monitored area, regardless of whether their industry falls under the essential businesses list.
• If there is no branch of your company outside of the Greater Lautoka area, please contact your employer and government will, in the next few days, announce how your absence from work will be treated during this situation. We advise all employers to accommodate the needs of your employees and not make any employees redundant.
• Starting tonight all schools and non-essential services in the greater Lautoka areas will be closed until further notice.
• Banks, supermarkets and pharmacies in the greater Lautoka areas will remain open.
• The PM says those who stay in the greater Lautoka area will need to stay there and those who don’t stay in this area cannot travel there.
• He has also announced gatherings of 20 or more people are now banned, and this includes meetings, religious gatherings and sports events.
• Bainimarama says workplaces may remain open, buses and Fiji Link services can remain open and this includes work places and business and shipping outside of Lautoka.
• He says night clubs, gyms and fitness centers, swimming pools and cinemas will close.
• Fiji will also be establishing fever clinics in each Division, similar to what other countries have done to contain the virus at the local level. These clinics will be designed to keep people with fevers away from vulnerable people who visit Health Centres and into separate, dedicated spaces specially designed to effectively identify possible COVID-19 cases.
• All measures will be reviewed after 14 days.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

It seems both Mexico and Sweden have taken a “let it roll/burn” approach to the virus- with few restrictions on daily life. It will be interesting to see how that plays out- will answer question if it is an over hyped hoax; as some suggest, or a real threat

[janette]

Hello to all on Avalon 🙋 I have been reading this thread daily and until now haven't commented (guess I'm kind of shy). I work in student halls of residence at a UK university as a cleaner. Our halls are now virtually empty as most of the students have returned home due to the virus but some international students who cannot leave for whatever reason still remain. A few have self isolated in their rooms with symptoms but we as cleaners are required to stay (other departments have been sent home on full pay ) and clean the bathrooms they use and check on their well being daily. None of the students have so far tested positive and hopefully theywill all be fine. Just wanted to share. My thoughts and prayers are with all the healthcare workers globally right now who are on the frontline dealing with this crisis..your all heros!

[Dorjezigzag]

Im kinda done with Mike Adams. I gave my boots on the ground counterpoint to his claim that the National guard quarantined people at gunpoint in New Rochelle where my son lives . Its complete fear mongering and fear porn to sell panic.

i hope people remember Mike Adams when things calm . And they hold him accountable for these overly produced Hollywood sci- fi style vids designed for panic, and sales

People its either going to pass and all will be ok, or were all doomed to a world I don't want to live in anyhow. so lets do our best and let it be

Fact is governments are getting ready for martial law, the extent of it is yet to be seen and whether it is needed but it is definitely on the agenda.

Just because your son lives in New Rochelle does not mean he knows everything that is going on there and everyone's experience.

My experience in London at the moment is that I have seen no army personal but it doesn't mean that London does not have any or that vehicles and personnel are not heading there, friends have sent me photos and I have heard about plans from people I trust.

Every day the supermarket's shelves are getting more and more empty. You seem to think it's is OK for people to say everything is OK when it blatantly isn't but when people are saying you know what prepare for the worse this is how it could be you get so reactionary.
We are not there yet but I do believe that Mike Adams genuinely believes this is the kind of scenario we could face.

[Elainie]

Hi Everyone,

Back in Last Jan (last day of Jan) I came down one night with projectile vomiting , diarrhea (all at once) and chills and fever. That went on from about 9 pm until 4 am in the morning, nothing could warm me after the vomiting subsided so I drew a hot bath but the diarrhea continued (yes I was sitting in a lot of diarrhea, never so profuse in my life). I drained the tub of course several times and kept refilling, when that was over I sat in front of the fire and just stuck my tongue in a glass of water to get some water on it. TMI but the severity of vomiting and diarrhea at same time meant my whole bathroom as far as diarrhea was contaminated so it took me hours to clean with bleach the next day.

The next night one of my 29 year old daughter's got it too. Then it went through my house, everyone who had even so passed through or stopped over for a brief visit got it. My small son got it as well. The other kids did not.

Then the first week of Feb. we came down with what I thought was start of a cold, fever, body aches, chills and a very dry cough. My small son, older daughter and I at same time. The symptoms would shift, for example one of our eyes became swollen and would tear constantly, that lasted quite a while, it was so unusual I tool la picture of it on Feb 14th.

The day prior on Feb 13th I got a text from my daughter telling me she went to the ER because her fever was still there after 9 days but she couldn't breathe. I put a mask on and picked her up. Now here's where it get;s interesting.....my daughter was a healthcare worker but had quit years prior so she's versed , we thought maybe we have pertussis again, she was tested for that and ALL flu strains. ALL NEGATIVE.

We were scheduled to see my mother (actually this week) who kept saying what if you have corona virus to which we didn't take it serious at the time.

My small son's symptoms were fever, he said he was so dizzy he couldn't stand up and the cough. All three of us are still coughing, I have some lung pain, my daughter is still using the inhaler they prescribed for her. Then my 16 year old got it about 10 days or so after us, said he wanted COVID19 testting but it was too early on in the game here in the USA.

I have been watching Dr, John Campbell on this since early Feb. and others, and I guess we are known as "super spreaders". My daughter's BF also does the analysis and date for CU here with the leading epidemiologist, before he closed up his lab he grabbed a bunch of hazmat gear, my daughter is self isolating at his house nearby and we are all self isolating here.

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I and family are hoping to survive this somehow, if need be when the weather warms up we will pack up with tents and such and just drive to isolated place if we can by that time and live off grid in the woods, hunting and food foraging, campfire..........that is the hope.

[Bill Ryan]

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

@Elainie, thanks so much. :flower: It's great to hear from you.

Hang in there. Remember, you and your family are all young and healthy. And you absolutely know how to take care of each other and yourselves — as does everyone reading this. It's really just a massive (enormous!) scary inconvenience, all calculated and engineered to be just that on a national scale.

And it can sometimes kill those who are elderly, infirm, or who have compromised immune systems for other reasons. However, always remember that almost everyone recovers, especially if you're young. (And you are!) It just sucks when you're sick. (That'd make quite a good bumper sticker. :) )

Please check in from time to time and let us all know how you're all doing. You always have friends and support here. :heart:

[Metaphor]

So... whats the situation in sweden? Not many reports in this thread, I´ll try to give it a shot
First as mentioned here in an earlier post our much debated chief epidemiologist has had this "let it burn" tactic. Well see how it plays out. I guess he doesnt watch dr campbell or peak prosperity
Many, myself included, is currently complaining about a slight cough or sore throat etc.

No big outbreak as of yet. Only like 10 dead so far all of them very old and fragile. I guess that has instilled some backing for how the government handles this. The country is totally divided (as always) on this.

Im actually more worried for the social and economic consequenses from this than the disease itself. Sweden is balkanized in a way, meaning that we have large groupings that are hostile enough to resort to violence if this heats up. Add to that large caches of immigrants, legal and illegal, that will riot if the benefit cheques stop coming or something like that. They have been hard to reach due to language and cultural issuses regarding how this spreads. Could be a major problem, especially for the healthcare system.

Stockholm where I live is the largest cache of infected and we have already as it is a crumbling healthcare and 1/3 of all personnel is currently on sickleave. The hospitals is understaffed as it is, before the outbreak. No real chaos there yet though.
Another threat is that the police and military are way undersized in Sweden due to reforms. There has been a big push for prepping and owning legal firearms in recent years due to this. Currently Swedes are actually one of europes most armed population (mostly hunting rifles). People know that our safety is at risk and here we are in a true SHTFscenario, so lets hope some of us can assist if society breaks down. I pray for that it never will come to that.

Sweden is now moving towards a lockdown of preschools and up to 9th graders, gymnasiums and higher education are closed since monday. The reasoning has been that up to a third of all nurses, doctors and policeofficers would have to take leave to attend their kids instead of doing their important job. Guess its some kind of logic to that but I think its gonna be just a few days more until it closes anyway.
Small businisses and low income freelancers are the biggest losers, me included, thankfully I have backup options. Some are not so lucky.

i feel that this financial armageddon is a reality here before the disease even got a hold of the fragile system. The ripples of that got here faster than the sickness.
I have a really bad feeling about this. Sweden is not as resilient as it thinks. People will suffer. im ok, but feel sorry for the unprepared. They were way to naive to once again trust our government (Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me applies here).

As for last i´d like to praise everyone involved in this thread. Of course especially Bill for the patience to ride it through with us. This thread is a goldmine.

[Elainie]

I'm sorry I failed to mention the source of infection for us. My daughter and I worked for the same people who in late Jan. took them and their children to Mexico. I am unsure what airports aside from one here they passed through. Upon coming back all of them were sick. My daughter then passed it onto another family with two small children, these parents became so concerned with one of their child's "flu" symptoms they took the child to a doctor who talked these non vaxxing parents into a flu shot for the child. They all had the same symptoms/illness.

We are on high dose vitamin C, lung herbs, zinc, glutathione etc and qi gong to get well. We are out of the woods but as I said the strange feeling in lungs and slight dry cough still persists.

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A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

@Elainie, thanks so much. :flower: It's great to hear from you.

Hang in there. Remember, you and your family are all young and healthy. And you absolutely know how to take care of each other and yourselves — as does everyone reading this. It's really just a massive (enormous!) scary inconvenience, all calculated and engineered to be just that on a national scale.

And it can sometimes kill those who are elderly, infirm, or who have compromised immune systems for other reasons. However, always remember that almost everyone recovers, especially if you're young. (And you are!) It just sucks when you're sick. (That'd make quite a good bumper sticker. :) )

Please check in from time to time and let us all know how you're all doing. You always have friends and support here. :heart:

Thanks, this one I believe is now in FBI but she was CIA as was her former husband. She cannot tell me which letter agency she works for.

[onawah]

I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg

for record pourposes, indeed
(and my sincere condolences)

[Dorjezigzag]

Viruses evolve, sometimes for the better sometimes the worse,

COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, has been much deadlier in older people, but more anecdotes are popping up of young, healthy people getting critically ill. Among the first reported cases in the US, around 40 percent of the patients that required hospitalization were between the ages of 20 and 54, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Meanwhile, tragic stories of young people getting gravely sick and dying are starting surface. Two 29-year-old health care workers became seriously ill in Wuhan — only one survived, a report in The New York Times detailed. Other stories about people under 50 coming down with serious symptoms are making the rounds on social media, along with questions about whether seemingly healthy young people ought to be more concerned. What do these cases tell us about the disease?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184291/coronavirus-covid-19-young-people-sick-vulnerable-affected-severe-cases

[Elainie]

So... whats the situation in sweden? Not many reports in this thread, I´ll try to give it a shot
First as mentioned here in an earlier post our much debated chief epidemiologist has had this "let it burn" tactic. Well see how it plays out. I guess he doesnt watch dr campbell or peak prosperity
Many, myself included, is currently complaining about a slight cough or sore throat etc.

No big outbreak as of yet. Only like 10 dead so far all of them very old and fragile. I guess that has instilled some backing for how the government handles this. The country is totally divided (as always) on this.

Im actually more worried for the social and economic consequenses from this than the disease itself. Sweden is balkanized in a way, meaning that we have large groupings that are hostile enough to resort to violence if this heats up. Add to that large caches of immigrants, legal and illegal, that will riot if the benefit cheques stop coming or something like that. They have been hard to reach due to language and cultural issuses regarding how this spreads. Could be a major problem, especially for the healthcare system.

Stockholm where I live is the largest cache of infected and we have already as it is a crumbling healthcare and 1/3 of all personnel is currently on sickleave. The hospitals is understaffed as it is, before the outbreak. No real chaos there yet though.
Another threat is that the police and military are way undersized in Sweden due to reforms. There has been a big push for prepping and owning legal firearms in recent years due to this. Currently Swedes are actually one of europes most armed population (mostly hunting rifles). People know that our safety is at risk and here we are in a true SHTFscenario, so lets hope some of us can assist if society breaks down. I pray for that it never will come to that.

Sweden is now moving towards a lockdown of preschools and up to 9th graders, gymnasiums and higher education are closed since monday. The reasoning has been that up to a third of all nurses, doctors and policeofficers would have to take leave to attend their kids instead of doing their important job. Guess its some kind of logic to that but I think its gonna be just a few days more until it closes anyway.
Small businisses and low income freelancers are the biggest losers, me included, thankfully I have backup options. Some are not so lucky.

i feel that this financial armageddon is a reality here before the disease even got a hold of the fragile system. The ripples of that got here faster than the sickness.
I have a really bad feeling about this. Sweden is not as resilient as it thinks. People will suffer. im ok, but feel sorry for the unprepared. They were way to naive to once again trust our government (Fool me once shame on, you fool me twice shame on me applies here).

As for last i´d like to praise everyone involved in this thread. Of course especially Bill for the patience to ride it through with us. This thread is a goldmine.


My cousins in Sweden update me, one is an emergency call response one does flight for life, one a retired nurse and list goes on.........they are all very frustrated.

[Dorjezigzag]

I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg

for record pourposes, indeed
(and my sincere condolences)

Here you go Onawah, this is a link to a major London newspaper

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/19/army-trucks-filled-bodies-overflowing-morgues-drive-streets-italy-12423685/

[Bill Ryan]

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

Thanks, this one I believe is now in FBI but she was CIA as was her former husband. She cannot tell me which letter agency she works for.

An important bookmark here. (This is totally separate from the very unpleasant health challenge Elainie and her family are steadily recovering from. :flower: )


Whatever Elainie says, you can take it to the bank.
That means US intel knows full well this is a bioweapon.
That means that behind the curtain, a LOT will be happening that's highly classified. (And it's also likely to be highly compartmentalized.)

@Elainie, is there any way you can find out more from your friend? Anything else at all? Like, who released it — assuming it was deliberate —and what the overall strategy is estimated (or known) to be?

[Delight]

This physician is just so great.

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[Delight]

First time catching live.... a daily ritual

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[onawah]

Maybe, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that photo was taken at some other time, and those trucks were sent out for something else entirely.
Expect the fear porn to be ramped up as much as the hype--that's part of the elite's agenda, and that's well known.



I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg

for record pourposes, indeed
(and my sincere condolences)

Here you go Onawah, this is a link to a major London newspaper

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/19/army-trucks-filled-bodies-overflowing-morgues-drive-streets-italy-12423685/

[Patient]

Here in Canada, Ontario to be exact, everything is closing. First it was schools then following the professional sports leagues all major entertainment and other gathering places. We are taking our last run to find a few items IF there is anything left anywhere.

To all Avalon sport friends - I am really missing the English Premiere League and the Champions League Play. I was going to be coaching kids' soccer here, so hopefully that will come back for a short season.

If you are searching for stores that might have something you may need, check T & T market - being a Chinese grocery store, many people seemed to have avoided them.

Think out of the box - Staples sells office supplies that include paper towels, toilet paper and other cleaning products. It might be late for the toilet paper though as that seemed to be early gold. (I have actually seen people walking down the street carrying only a large package of toilet paper.)

Our work was halted last week and we are trying to collect our pay. But as office staff are closing without notice it is difficult. Went to our pharmacy for our prescriptions and it had closed. The pharmacy is in a medical building and they said that they are closing the entire building earlier than usual. This building has all medical testing, physio etc. Not sure if other med buildings are closing, but it seems to be getting quieter out there everyday.

The government is opening up unemployment options for all people out of work. Hopefully the banks stay open.

At least the price of gas has dropped so we can afford to drive around a lot.

If things continue to go in the wrong direction, remember that you don't have to watch the bad videos on line to know what's going on. Limit yourself. Keep yourself in check.

There will always be an Avalon friend on line here! I am sure of that!

[Elainie]

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

Thanks, this one I believe is now in FBI but she was CIA as was her former husband. She cannot tell me which letter agency she works for.

An important bookmark here. (This is totally separate from the very unpleasant health challenge Elainie and her family are steadily recovering from. :flower: )


Whatever Elainie says, you can take it to the bank.
That means US intel knows full well this is a bioweapon.
That means that behind the curtain, a LOT will be happening that's highly classified. (And it's also likely to be highly compartmentalized.)

@Elainie, is there any way you can find out more from your friend? Anything else at all? Like, who released it — assuming it was deliberate —and what the overall strategy is estimated (or known) to be?


I asked her, she didn't know, she tried to send me something via text message (I spoke to her via phone so will have to call her again) and through FB messenger and it wouldn't go through. So I am unsure, she does work counter terror intel, that is all I know but it's very specific (French/Islam connection). Edited to add, she is very shaken up, says some of her friends have packed up to their mountain places but she says she doesn't see situation changing as far as threat level for at least 18 months. She is concerned and really shaken up.

[Bill Ryan]

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

Thanks, this one I believe is now in FBI but she was CIA as was her former husband. She cannot tell me which letter agency she works for.

An important bookmark here. (This is totally separate from the very unpleasant health challenge Elainie and her family are steadily recovering from. :flower: )



Whatever Elainie says, you can take it to the bank.
That means US intel knows full well this is a bioweapon.
That means that behind the curtain, a LOT will be happening that's highly classified. (And it's also likely to be highly compartmentalized.)


@Elainie, is there any way you can find out more from your friend? Anything else at all? Like, who released it — assuming it was deliberate —and what the overall strategy is estimated (or known) to be?

I asked her, she didn't know, she tried to send me something via text message (I spoke to her via phone so will have to call her again) and through FB messenger and it wouldn't go through. So I am unsure, she does work counter terror intel, that is all I know but it's very specific (French/Islam connection). Edited to add, she is very shaken up, says some of her friends have packed up to their mountain places but she says she doesn't see situation changing as far as threat level for at least 18 months. She is concerned and really shaken up.

Thanks. :flower: And bumping this. Whatever it means for us all, everyone needs to understand Elainie's additional information here.

:bump:


I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg)

Chris Martenson referenced this at 6:22 in his today's update (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRgnQs6D1u8), just published. The source (unless he got it from somewhere else and was hoaxed) was Matteo Salvini, an Italian politician. His Tweet is shown, with the translation.

http://projectavalon.net/Matteo_Salvini.gif

[Phoenix]

A Harvard professor and a Chinese scientist, sponsored by Harvard are arrested , the scientist trying to smuggle out of the USA some biological material to take back to China.
2 min vid / your tax dollars at work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sTpLGjLk9s

My family is very near to new rochelle as well, they havent seen any national guard since the announcement was made...

[Dorjezigzag]

Maybe, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that photo was taken at some other time, and those trucks were sent out for something else entirely.
Expect the fear porn to be ramped up as much as the hype--that's part of the elite's agenda, and that's well known.



I would say fear porn to that. And if you don't have any credible source (which is no doubt the case), I wouldn't post it here.

I apologize, really don't like to publish this here, but the circumstances are "extraordinary".

Bergamo, in Northern Italy: Army trucks transporting dead people from Covid-19, to be cremated in other locations.

https://cdn.oantagonista.net/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-1.jpg

for record pourposes, indeed
(and my sincere condolences)

Here you go Onawah, this is a link to a major London newspaper

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/19/army-trucks-filled-bodies-overflowing-morgues-drive-streets-italy-12423685/

OMG
Talk about digging that hole even deeper.
But thanks for posting because you are a perfect example of the denial so many people are in.

Did you actually look at the link, there are lots of photos and video. It has been confirmed by official sources.
Seriously before you accuse people of fear porn do your research, RogeRio deserves an apology.





Mod note from Bill: :flower: onawah had the integrity to thank my post above in which I quoted one good source.

It's important that we don't get into unimportant battles over small things like this. Everyone is affected by current events in different ways. Any one of us, myself included, might find ourselves struggling with a tough day.

If at all possible, we do need to make as many allowances as possible for different views, and different ways of letting off steam. THX — I know you understand. We're all in this together. No-one here is the enemy.

:highfive:

:focus:

Responce to Bills red writing
The only battle I have is with the truth, not accepting that people are dying of the corona virus in Italy, so much so the army are having to transport them to other locations is not a small point.

She did not accuse you of posting fear porn so whether she liked your post or not is immaterial, and she did not thank my earlier post with a good source, not that I needed her to.

[Tintin]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.

A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



Thanks Dennis :flower:

I've just alerted The Guardian newspaper international newsdesk on this development :highfive:
Thanks, Tintin.

It's not like I have extraordinary contacts, so I am kind of surprised that this has not been confirmed (at least, that they heard it too) by someone else here on this forum. There has to be others that have a US National Guard soldier contact, or contact of a contact...

I guess we'll know if this was BS in the next few days. Having lived in the US all my life and having been aware for the past 40 years, both politically and of a behind the curtain cabal running the US agenda, makes this very easy to believe.

They murdered JFK in broad daylight to announce they were in control, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA jobs.

They pulled off 9/11, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA (and Mossad) jobs.

How anyone could believe that the US government is anything but a mobster organization and a front for the "Shadow Government" that planned the JFK hit, 9/11, and now probably the coronavirus gambit, is beyond me. The power of propaganda multiplied by fear psychology techniques, I guess. I'm convinced that there is a virus that I don't want to have to fight off, but everything else about the coronavirus is coming more into focus, to me, as a planned, multi-faceted gambit. I don't wonder if there will be soldiers in the streets - what I'm wondering is how long they will extend the militarized lockdown: long enough to force the heavily armed civilians to take to the streets and make Kent state a picnic in comparison? Pitting part of society (soldiers, cops) against another part of society (civilian citizens), and the guilty, the planners, the rulers are not in the crossfire. Sounds like it may well be part of their grand plan, to me.

Dennis, shortly and sweetly, this isn't BS. It's important information and thank you for sharing it here. (Brother, in military, easily verifiable.)

Oh, I also wanted to add that we love you to bits, by the way, just in case you'd forgotten. Not that you had of course :)

[Tintin]

A grim call to my friend in a letter agency this morning, she says all federal building have brought in decon in hazmats and they were told to work from home. She says yes this is 100% bioweapon and it all just looks very grim.

I'm bumping this paragraph from Elainie, easily missed. I'd like to vouch for her. I know her well, and she really does have friends in intel. Whatever she says, listen carefully.

Thanks, this one I believe is now in FBI but she was CIA as was her former husband. She cannot tell me which letter agency she works for.

An important bookmark here. (This is totally separate from the very unpleasant health challenge Elainie and her family are steadily recovering from. :flower: )


Whatever Elainie says, you can take it to the bank.
That means US intel knows full well this is a bioweapon.
That means that behind the curtain, a LOT will be happening that's highly classified. (And it's also likely to be highly compartmentalized.)

@Elainie, is there any way you can find out more from your friend? Anything else at all? Like, who released it — assuming it was deliberate —and what the overall strategy is estimated (or known) to be?

This post from Elainie and the pertinent questioning from Bill here constitutes probably the most important post of the entire week. Kindly, do please pay attention to this. :flower:

[ExomatrixTV]

Charles Veitch Coronavirus Update: Riots and Lies (All eyes on China)
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A Thought Regarding Panic Buying: Age of the Bug
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[Dennis Leahy]

...

Then the first week of Feb. we came down with what I thought was start of a cold, fever, body aches, chills and a very dry cough. My small son, older daughter and I at same time. The symptoms would shift, for example one of our eyes became swollen and would tear constantly, that lasted quite a while, it was so unusual I tool la picture of it on Feb 14th.

The day prior on Feb 13th I got a text from my daughter telling me she went to the ER because her fever was still there after 9 days but she couldn't breathe. I put a mask on and picked her up. Now here's where it get;s interesting.....my daughter was a healthcare worker but had quit years prior so she's versed , we thought maybe we have pertussis again, she was tested for that and ALL flu strains. ALL NEGATIVE.

We were scheduled to see my mother (actually this week) who kept saying what if you have corona virus to which we didn't take it serious at the time.

My small son's symptoms were fever, he said he was so dizzy he couldn't stand up and the cough. All three of us are still coughing, I have some lung pain, my daughter is still using the inhaler they prescribed for her. Then my 16 year old got it about 10 days or so after us, said he wanted COVID19 testting but it was too early on in the game here in the USA.
...
Elainie, please consider starting an intensive oil of oregano therapy. It's the strongest known plant-based anti-viral. (Got me out of the worst flu of my life.)

Also, I just saw a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAjLe3l5SA) about breathing in hot air, which is supposed to kill covid-19. May also be worth investigating.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I wonder what the solutions may be.
The method of prepping may not be different whether this is a weapon or not.

[Elainie]

...

Then the first week of Feb. we came down with what I thought was start of a cold, fever, body aches, chills and a very dry cough. My small son, older daughter and I at same time. The symptoms would shift, for example one of our eyes became swollen and would tear constantly, that lasted quite a while, it was so unusual I tool la picture of it on Feb 14th.

The day prior on Feb 13th I got a text from my daughter telling me she went to the ER because her fever was still there after 9 days but she couldn't breathe. I put a mask on and picked her up. Now here's where it get;s interesting.....my daughter was a healthcare worker but had quit years prior so she's versed , we thought maybe we have pertussis again, she was tested for that and ALL flu strains. ALL NEGATIVE.

We were scheduled to see my mother (actually this week) who kept saying what if you have corona virus to which we didn't take it serious at the time.

My small son's symptoms were fever, he said he was so dizzy he couldn't stand up and the cough. All three of us are still coughing, I have some lung pain, my daughter is still using the inhaler they prescribed for her. Then my 16 year old got it about 10 days or so after us, said he wanted COVID19 testting but it was too early on in the game here in the USA.
...
Elainie, please consider starting an intensive oil of oregano therapy. It's the strongest known plant-based anti-viral. (Got me out of the worst flu of my life.)

Also, I just saw a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAjLe3l5SA) about breathing in hot air, which is supposed to kill covid-19. May also be worth investigating.


Absolutely, will order some now, I have some Ravensara oil coming too. My daughter is also early pregnant and self isolating at her partners house, I will tell her to order some, we use the really good stuff too, Oreganol or however it is spelled. Thanks so much. Yes, I started the hair dryer regime.

[Dorjezigzag]

...

Then the first week of Feb. we came down with what I thought was start of a cold, fever, body aches, chills and a very dry cough. My small son, older daughter and I at same time. The symptoms would shift, for example one of our eyes became swollen and would tear constantly, that lasted quite a while, it was so unusual I tool la picture of it on Feb 14th.

The day prior on Feb 13th I got a text from my daughter telling me she went to the ER because her fever was still there after 9 days but she couldn't breathe. I put a mask on and picked her up. Now here's where it get;s interesting.....my daughter was a healthcare worker but had quit years prior so she's versed , we thought maybe we have pertussis again, she was tested for that and ALL flu strains. ALL NEGATIVE.

We were scheduled to see my mother (actually this week) who kept saying what if you have corona virus to which we didn't take it serious at the time.

My small son's symptoms were fever, he said he was so dizzy he couldn't stand up and the cough. All three of us are still coughing, I have some lung pain, my daughter is still using the inhaler they prescribed for her. Then my 16 year old got it about 10 days or so after us, said he wanted COVID19 testting but it was too early on in the game here in the USA.
...
Elainie, please consider starting an intensive oil of oregano therapy. It's the strongest known plant-based anti-viral. (Got me out of the worst flu of my life.)

Also, I just saw a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAjLe3l5SA) about breathing in hot air, which is supposed to kill covid-19. May also be worth investigating.

Ive currently got Oregano oil mixed with lemon tea tree oil blasting from my industrial diffuser, but curious how you used the oregano oil to cure your flu?

[Dennis Leahy]

...

Ive currently got Oregano oil mixed with lemon tea tree oil blasting from my industrial diffuser, but curious how you used the oregano oil to cure your flu?

Hi Dorjezigzag,

Here's a link to the post where I mention oil of oregano and a killer flu: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19&p=1340362&viewfull=1#post1340362

and this has some follow-up: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19&p=1340411&viewfull=1#post1340411

I think I'll make a post in the flu prevention and treatment thread as well, and I'll edit this post and put a link to it when it is done.

[thepainterdoug]

dorjezigzag / " We are not there yet but I do believe that Mike Adams genuinely believes this is the kind of scenario we could face."
Parent Post

so now now its ok to report on something non factual that you believe we could face? thats news? thats reporting? why not wait till it does happen?

the area in New Rochelle is a small area like a square mile. people are entering, and coming and going freely and the guard are helpful and friendly . we have many extended family in new rochelle . I will guarantee you that my son, living there knows more than Mike who doesn't live there.

how bout this, why not report on the coming alien invasion that we could face , and just say well, someday it will happen.

I have always liked Mike Adams, but he is going to far.

[Dorjezigzag]

dorjezigzag / " We are not there yet but I do believe that Mike Adams genuinely believes this is the kind of scenario we could face."
Parent Post

so now now its ok to report on something non factual that you believe we could face? thats news? thats reporting? why not wait till it does happen?

the area in New Rochelle is a small area like a square mile. people are entering, and coming and going freely and the guard are helpful and friendly . we have many extended family in new rochelle . I will guarantee you that my son, living there knows more than Mike who doesn't live there.

how bout this, why not report on the coming alien invasion that we could face , and just say well, someday it will happen.

I have always liked Mike Adams, but he is going to far.

Is your son always placed watching this area in question or does he perhaps go inside sometimes? I don't even know everything that is happening in my house let alone my street.

The fact is New rochelle has been proclaimed a containment zone and there are national guard there.

I do not see in the article the statement you made that Natural News said "National guard quarantined people at gunpoint."

Natural News states " This containment area will have a satellite testing facility for identifying new cases of the disease, and National Guard troops will also be tasked with keeping all surfaces in the area clean, as well as delivering food to local residents who will presumably be forced to stay inside their homes."

The article could have been more clear that the majority of residents are free to come and go as they please if they don't have the virus but im sure soon enough there will be areas like this.


Most of the article in question regarding Financial system collapsing is not referring to events that are actually occurring but his speculations about what he believes will come to pass. Only time will tell if they do.
Of course, there is going to be massive economic fallout from current world events.
Our economy is currently experiencing a massive hit that is FACT, it is not to my knowledge currently experiencing an increase in visits from little green men. If it was then perhaps a Mike Adams article on speculations of Alien invasions may be appropriate.

The majority of articles about the corona virus are speculations, it is an unknown entity, as is the current economic situation we are in, we are experiencing a unique set of circumstances.

[Zionbrion]

Senate Intel chair sold up to $1.6 million in stock before market crash - Axios

https://www.axios.com/richard-burr-coronavirus-stock-7bd10426-de87-43d7-9939-8241d2ab08db.html

Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) dumped between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his stocks on Feb. 13, days after writing a Fox News op-ed that said the U.S. is "better prepared than ever before" to face public health threats like the coronavirus, according to ProPublica.

Why it matters: Reuters reported on Feb. 27 that as chairman of the secretive committee, Burr had been receiving daily updates from the intelligence community about the outbreak.

NPR reported earlier Thursday that Burr struck a much darker tone on Feb. 27, telling a private luncheon of constituents that the coronavirus is "much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history."
"It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic," he added.
The stock market has dropped about 30% since Burr's sales.
Between the lines: Burr's sell-offs — which were executed between his op-ed and later warnings — included stocks in several companies that were set to be hit particularly hard by the coronavirus, according to ProPublica.

Up to $150,000 of his sold stocks were shares of Wyndham Hotels and Resorts. Up to $100,000 were shares of the hospitality chain Extended Stay America.
Tourism has been one of the hardest hit industries as travel has come to a virtual standstill as a result of the pandemic.
Worth noting: In 2012, Burr was one of only three senators to oppose a bill that would explicitly bar members of Congress and their staff from using non-public information for personal benefit, including stock-trading.

What they're saying:

“Senator Burr filed a financial disclosure form for personal transactions made several weeks before the U.S. and financial markets showed signs of volatility due to the growing coronavirus outbreak. As the situation continues to evolve daily, he has been deeply concerned by the steep and sudden toll this pandemic is taking on our economy.”
— A spokesperson told ProPublica
Burr's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Axios.

Please also see this article with a similar story on Senator Kelly Loeffler
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing?ref=wrap

EDIT: Just finding out Kelly’s husband is the chair of the new york stock exchange

[Dorjezigzag]

...

Ive currently got Oregano oil mixed with lemon tea tree oil blasting from my industrial diffuser, but curious how you used the oregano oil to cure your flu?

Hi Dorjezigzag,

Here's a link to the post where I mention oil of oregano and a killer flu: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19&p=1340362&viewfull=1#post1340362

and this has some follow-up: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19&p=1340411&viewfull=1#post1340411

I think I'll make a post in the flu prevention and treatment thread as well, and I'll edit this post and put a link to it when it is done.

Thanks for that, I'm pretty sure my Mum has it so I'm going to get her onto that!

[helium]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.

A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



Thanks Dennis :flower:

I've just alerted The Guardian newspaper international newsdesk on this development :highfive:
Thanks, Tintin.

It's not like I have extraordinary contacts, so I am kind of surprised that this has not been confirmed (at least, that they heard it too) by someone else here on this forum. There has to be others that have a US National Guard soldier contact, or contact of a contact...

I guess we'll know if this was BS in the next few days. Having lived in the US all my life and having been aware for the past 40 years, both politically and of a behind the curtain cabal running the US agenda, makes this very easy to believe.

They murdered JFK in broad daylight to announce they were in control, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA jobs.

They pulled off 9/11, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA (and Mossad) jobs.

How anyone could believe that the US government is anything but a mobster organization and a front for the "Shadow Government" that planned the JFK hit, 9/11, and now probably the coronavirus gambit, is beyond me. The power of propaganda multiplied by fear psychology techniques, I guess. I'm convinced that there is a virus that I don't want to have to fight off, but everything else about the coronavirus is coming more into focus, to me, as a planned, multi-faceted gambit. I don't wonder if there will be soldiers in the streets - what I'm wondering is how long they will extend the militarized lockdown: long enough to force the heavily armed civilians to take to the streets and make Kent state a picnic in comparison? Pitting part of society (soldiers, cops) against another part of society (civilian citizens), and the guilty, the planners, the rulers are not in the crossfire. Sounds like it may well be part of their grand plan, to me.

Dennis, shortly and sweetly, this isn't BS. It's important information and thank you for sharing it here. (Brother, in military, easily verifiable.)

Oh, I also wanted to add that we love you to bits, by the way, just in case you'd forgotten. Not that you had of course :)


Well, I spoke with a friend in Seattle yesterday who was very upset that her son-in-law who is in the National Guard was mobilized and not allowed to return home or go into public. His family was notified that he would be away for an undisclosed period of time. He can't call or contact anyone. I had to talk my elderly friend down off the ceiling. Not to say that this has anything to do with the above. But perhaps it does.

[Elainie]

I just got the following forwarded to me, from someone in Chicago. I redacted one name.

A friend just sent this from her uncle in the national guard:


He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
I’ve also heard from our contacts at FEMA the same thing. You’re in the industry so I’m sure you’ve heard but a TSA agent told me they’re closing airports this weekend.


One of _____'s friends just saw a very long train coming into Chicago, full of military personnel and vehicles

A friend in the neighborhood says O’Hare is shutting down This weekend



Thanks Dennis :flower:

I've just alerted The Guardian newspaper international newsdesk on this development :highfive:
Thanks, Tintin.

It's not like I have extraordinary contacts, so I am kind of surprised that this has not been confirmed (at least, that they heard it too) by someone else here on this forum. There has to be others that have a US National Guard soldier contact, or contact of a contact...

I guess we'll know if this was BS in the next few days. Having lived in the US all my life and having been aware for the past 40 years, both politically and of a behind the curtain cabal running the US agenda, makes this very easy to believe.

They murdered JFK in broad daylight to announce they were in control, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA jobs.

They pulled off 9/11, and then controlled the media to make sure they controlled the narrative. They were never caught, tried, and convicted - they slithered back into their US government and CIA (and Mossad) jobs.

How anyone could believe that the US government is anything but a mobster organization and a front for the "Shadow Government" that planned the JFK hit, 9/11, and now probably the coronavirus gambit, is beyond me. The power of propaganda multiplied by fear psychology techniques, I guess. I'm convinced that there is a virus that I don't want to have to fight off, but everything else about the coronavirus is coming more into focus, to me, as a planned, multi-faceted gambit. I don't wonder if there will be soldiers in the streets - what I'm wondering is how long they will extend the militarized lockdown: long enough to force the heavily armed civilians to take to the streets and make Kent state a picnic in comparison? Pitting part of society (soldiers, cops) against another part of society (civilian citizens), and the guilty, the planners, the rulers are not in the crossfire. Sounds like it may well be part of their grand plan, to me.

Dennis, shortly and sweetly, this isn't BS. It's important information and thank you for sharing it here. (Brother, in military, easily verifiable.)

Oh, I also wanted to add that we love you to bits, by the way, just in case you'd forgotten. Not that you had of course :)


Well, I spoke with a friend in Seattle yesterday who was very upset that her son-in-law who is in the National Guard was mobilized and not allowed to return home or go into public. His family was notified that he would be away for an undisclosed period of time. He can't call or contact anyone. I had to talk my elderly friend down off the ceiling. Not to say that this has anything to do with the above. But perhaps it does.

My daughter's GF's sister is Navy and she was not allowed to call or say where she was going, no contact, all we know is that she is on a ship somewhere.

[DaveToo]

Charles Veitch Coronavirus Update: Riots and Lies (All eyes on China)

A Thought Regarding Panic Buying: Age of the Bug


I generally appreciate the videos you provide here Exomatrix, but please spare us these Veitch ones.
Veitch is a 9/11 falser. Yes he seems to be compassionate about COVID-19, but so what?
Why is the man so important?

[Phoenix]

Does anyone have recent news or research on nanobots, bio-nanobots, smart dust, etc and their ability to be triggered from long range to perhaps kill people?

The Heart Ray, which we know has existed for a long time; could it be true that it could be used in unlimited distances these days?

Is it possible this is what's targeting specific people in China and outside, under the guise of CV?

I ask this, because I still can't wrap my head around the lack of deaths or video footage of deaths in say Vietnam, China's next door neighbor, and the relatively weak activity of the virus on non-asians.

I really dont believe in the deaths in Italy, because Lombardy alone has 274 people die everyday, and there's no way to know if these older folks are 100% dying from this thing.

Also, I've seen footage or heard reports of tanks rolling down the streets in UK, Italy, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and foot troops with automatic weapons walking around Serbia... Any more you guys know of? I do realize Defender 2020 is happening now...and I can't help but feel like this is just like 9/11 when NORAD was running simulations on 9/11...f**k

Cheers all...

[thepainterdoug]

could this be good news?

CANADIAN NEWS
Canada is already using chloroquine on coronavirus patients

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/canada-is-already-using-chloroquine-on-coronavirus-patients?fbclid=IwAR3e7RKADNACKA31qVuWyCDQchVUrbbtZEUiVnpa0pd9DcvfBy7dVmXwsHo

[EFO]

A very good advice from Paola Harris.

Paola Harris - On this time of "Reset"
(4:18 min.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7xfehCJaXY

[Phoenix]

could this be good news?

CANADIAN NEWS
Canada is already using chloroquine on coronavirus patients

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/canada-is-already-using-chloroquine-on-coronavirus-patients?fbclid=IwAR3e7RKADNACKA31qVuWyCDQchVUrbbtZEUiVnpa0pd9DcvfBy7dVmXwsHo

here's an article about Trump and Elon Musk discussing it:

Here’s why Trump and Elon Musk see potential in a drug called chloroquine to treat coronavirus
PUBLISHED THU, MAR 19 20203:27 PM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/what-is-chloroquine-trump-and-elon-musk-have-touted-for-coronavirus.html

[Sophocles]

Stefan Molyneux has a very interesting talk with Dr Paul Cottrell.

Dr Cottrell explains the technicalities of coronavirus, how it’s tweaked with HIV (though not the HIV-virus itself as it’s a retrovirus).

He shows (with words) how coronavirus may have come to be (in a lab).

He talks about other receptors in addition to the ACE-2 receptor – he fears the virus will get more virulent in the future using other receptors.

The whole thing (with its waves) will last for 18 – 20 months; plan well.

35 different strains of the Wuhan virus today (they’re all ‘from the same family’).

Could the virus have mutated into a more or less virulant version? Like in Italy and Iran. Could it have been an accident? Or was it put there on purpose? (As a bio-weapon.) By whom?

He speculates about a coming ‘bio-patriot act’ in the US.

Some of what he’s saying goes over my head but you should check it out as no matter where you come from (almost) I bet this discussion will be of some interest.


Stefan Molyneux interviews Dr Paul Cottrell about the looming health, financial and economic effects of the #coronavirus pandemic.

Coronavirus Update: Dr Paul Cottrell: "Prepare NOW for 18 Months!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VEYzwSdZU)

J6VEYzwSdZU

[David Trd1]

Stefan Molyneux has a very interesting talk with Dr Paul Cottrell.

Dr Cottrell explains the technicalities of coronavirus, how it’s tweaked with HIV (though not the HIV-virus itself as it’s a retrovirus).

He shows (with words) how coronavirus may have come to be (in a lab).

He talks about other receptors in addition to the ACE-2 receptor – he fears the virus will get more virulent in the future using other receptors.

The whole thing (with its waves) will last for 18 – 20 months; plan well.

35 different strains of the Wuhan virus today (they’re all ‘from the same family’).

Could the virus have mutated into a more or less virulant version? Like in Italy and Iran. Could it have been an accident? Or was it put there on purpose? (As a bio-weapon.) By whom?

He speculates about a coming ‘bio-patriot act’ in the US.

Some of what he’s saying goes over my head but you should check it out as no matter where you come from (almost) I bet this discussion will be of some interest.


Stefan Molyneux interviews Dr Paul Cottrell about the looming health, financial and economic effects of the #coronavirus pandemic.

Coronavirus Update: Dr Paul Cottrell: "Prepare NOW for 18 Months!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VEYzwSdZU)

J6VEYzwSdZU

The first 30 mins of this were really great and informative particularly, i would recommend!

[Iloveyou]

Minor indications of how critical voices will soon be silenced completely, sum up. The government here has set up an official, special crisis-unit to detect and rectify ‚fake news‘ and their origins, in close cooperation with the media. Major US newspapers have dropped the paywall for Corona virus info.

Good opportunity to watch the governments doing that step by step, in time lapse (things happen in quick succession) and in slow motion (can watch in painstaking detail) simultaneously. Strange feeling: time speeds up and slows down at once.

[greybeard]

Honestly it seems its no worse that the normal seasonal flu.
This link has the "truth" about it.
Chris
What are the symptoms of the coronavirus?

The coronavirus causes vague, flu-like symptoms, namely fever, cough and slight breathlessness.

Early data suggests four out of five cases are mild, with symptoms not progressing beyond the above.

After looking at 181 confirmed patients, scientists from John Hopkins University found most developed signs of the infection within five days.

Nearly all (97.5%) had endured the flu-like symptoms within 11.5 days.

" More on links"

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/what-are-the-symptoms-of-chinas-coronavirus-164120735.html

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/coronavirus-covid19-symptoms-flu-advice-131721852.html

[Mypos]

Is this the same substance as MMS?





Mod note from Bill: can you clarify the question? What post are you replying to? THX
:thumbsup:


Sorry. I ment the possible threatment that both Trump and Canada are talking about now? Hydroxychloroquine

[Tintin]

March 19 update (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRgnQs6D1u8),

At 21:31 in this really helpful presentation Chris discusses this Breakthrough study and it can be linked to here (https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en).

Copy in the library, here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/%5bPUBMED%5d_Chloroquine_phosphate_has_shown_apparent_efficacy_in_treatment_of_COVID-19_associated_pneumonia_in_clinical_studies_Jianjun_Gao_et_al_Feb_2020_14_2020.01047.pdf).

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/%5bPUBMED%5d_Chloroquine_phosphate_has_shown_apparent_efficacy_in_treatment_of_COVID-19_associated_pneumonia_in_clinical_studies_Jianjun_Gao_et_al_Feb_2020_14_2020.01047.pdf

[Vince]

Hello everybody :)

I'm usually more of a lurker than a poster, but i thought this may well worth
a change of habit ;)

Hydroxychloroquine seems to really work guys, Professor Didier Raoult from the well renowed IHU Mediterranée infection :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult

Says it really works, Asian countries are already rolling out the treatments associated with another anti bacterian medecine (Azithromycin)

the results are spectaculars :75% of patients treated with this combination show a viral charge of 0 after 5-6 days of treatment !

n4J8kydOvbc (video in french, auto subs availables even if they're so so)

Another more wide study should be available next week, but the infamous Salpetrière Hospital from Paris is starting to roll out the treatment, and Sanofi laboratory says they'll give up millions of doses freely.

Let's not put our expectation too high too early of course, but this seems to be really really promising :)

[norman]

I see the dehumanisation of China has started, officially, by the US government. That's overture to war. They have taken out a few diplomatically parked indictments and thrown them to the people to whoop and snarl over. If they think that makes China feel productively threatened, they are mad, and dangerous.

What's lacking from this is a sense that they are doing it in their own good time, more a sense that they are late out of the starting blocks. Not good, not clever, not wise.

And anyway, going to war with China will not restart the supply chain. Reshoring is not a short or mid term solution.

0sTpLGjLk9s

[Olam]

I see the dehumanisation of China has started, officially, by the US government. That's overture to war. They have taken out a few diplomatically parked indictments and thrown them to the people to whoop and snarl over. If they think that makes China feel productively threatened, they are mad, and dangerous.

What's lacking from this is a sense that they are doing it in their own good time, more a sense that they are late out of the starting blocks. Not good, not clever, not wise.

And anyway, going to war with China will not restart the supply chain. Reshoring is not a short or mid term solution.

0sTpLGjLk9s

That video seems fake to me.

[PurpleLama]

https://media.blubrry.com/thehighersidechatsplus/s/content.blubrry.com/thehighersidechatsplus/Coronavirus_Concerns_mixdown.mp3

Here is a little commentary from Greg Carlwood from the Higherside Chats. Lots of timely little tidbits for just such a community as ours, as his listenership is very much our kind of people.

If the link does not work, it can be streamed off of thehighersidechats.com (https://www.thehighersidechats.com/)

[helium]

Hello everybody :)

I'm usually more of a lurker than a poster, but i thought this may well worth
a change of habit ;)

Hydroxychloroquine seems to really work guys, Professor Didier Raoult from the well renowed IHU Mediterranée infection :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult

Says it really works, Asian countries are already rolling out the treatments associated with another anti bacterian medecine (Azithromycin)

the results are spectaculars :75% of patients treated with this combination show a viral charge of 0 after 5-6 days of treatment !

n4J8kydOvbc (video in french, auto subs availables even if they're so so)

Another more wide study should be available next week, but the infamous Salpetrière Hospital from Paris is starting to roll out the treatment, and Sanofi laboratory says they'll give up millions of doses freely.

Let's not put our expectation too high too early of course, but this seems to be really really promising :)


It seems obvious now that certain 'powers,' including whomever pulls the t-RUMP puppet strings, does not want anything to work, even testing, even insanely simple remediation such as preventing the first shipload of virus that was allowed to kickstart the east coast infections way back in the beginning stages of all this, to just walk off the ship. Every official decision I've seen at every level has been utterly stupid. There are only a few exceptions. These poor decisions can no longer be accepted as lack of preparedness. They are calculated. I could see that at every tuirn, but didn't want to say anything to anyone about my suspicions. The same goes for 911. Within minutes it was obvious to me that the events were not what they were supposed to be. They were calculated and not by those who were offically blamed. Oh, but everyone was so traumatized that it took how many years for dissent to finally win over?

I'm disgusted with the factions who have co-opted the human enterprise. I've been disgusted with them for decades, having seen the inside workings (non-physical workings) of their hopeless parade of death and destruction.

Now, I've said it.

And let me add that I also do not like hearing 'excuse me for bad english' from so many wonderful folks who speak with languages that are every much as useful and many much more expressive, than english. You do not have to appologize for your minor typos, Vince. If I were to use French to post you would not even try to read the mess that I would make of it. :sun:

War was the initiative in the first place, and now it appears that all the bungling has been a calculated prelude to war.

Maybe I could be excused for this outburst since I just woke up from something going on somewhere that involved what seemed like some chinese aristocrat and common citizens attempting to hide from them (in vain). A gun battle ensued, with the guns belonging not to the commoners, but to you know who. I'm sick and tired of guns. I've been killed so many times with guns that I'd take another tsunami any day (killed twice by those so far).

Nobody would want to experience what I did on the morning of 911. I opened my eyes from that and a minute later turned on NPR to discover that all of those hands reaching out in darkness for someone, anyone, to take their hand and help them, were in fact real people in real circumstances. You could walk across the sky on the fear. It was that thick and substantial. And today 'they' are walking all over fear so as to substantiate it even more. The goal seems to be to make fear so concrete that you could build a road with it. Metaphorically speaking, that is the end goal. Someone or some thing feeds on fear, or what fear engenders. Those bottom feeders will not stand.

[Tintin]

I see the dehumanisation of China has started, officially, by the US government. That's overture to war. They have taken out a few diplomatically parked indictments and thrown them to the people to whoop and snarl over. If they think that makes China feel productively threatened, they are mad, and dangerous.

What's lacking from this is a sense that they are doing it in their own good time, more a sense that they are late out of the starting blocks. Not good, not clever, not wise.

And anyway, going to war with China will not restart the supply chain. Reshoring is not a short or mid term solution.

0sTpLGjLk9s

Thanks Norman :flower: (I hope everything's okay for you and yours where you are.)

The Coming War on China

This is related but really more with Norman's material posted here rather than with the virus itself.

John Pilger's extraordinarily brilliant and informative film The Coming War on China made/released about 3-4 years ago now.

We've had it in the library for quite a while now too, and it comes very highly recommended by me. If you have, or can muster, an hour and fifty minutes time at some point during any given day then please do consider using that by watching this:

http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Coming_War_On_China_John_Pilger_(2016).mp4

[Bill Ryan]

Stefan Molyneux has a very interesting talk with Dr Paul Cottrell.

Dr Cottrell explains the technicalities of coronavirus, how it’s tweaked with HIV (though not the HIV-virus itself as it’s a retrovirus).

He shows (with words) how coronavirus may have come to be (in a lab).

He talks about other receptors in addition to the ACE-2 receptor – he fears the virus will get more virulent in the future using other receptors.

The whole thing (with its waves) will last for 18 – 20 months; plan well.

35 different strains of the Wuhan virus today (they’re all ‘from the same family’).

Could the virus have mutated into a more or less virulant version? Like in Italy and Iran. Could it have been an accident? Or was it put there on purpose? (As a bio-weapon.) By whom?

He speculates about a coming ‘bio-patriot act’ in the US.

Some of what he’s saying goes over my head but you should check it out as no matter where you come from (almost) I bet this discussion will be of some interest.


Stefan Molyneux interviews Dr Paul Cottrell about the looming health, financial and economic effects of the #coronavirus pandemic.Coronavirus Update: Dr Paul Cottrell: "Prepare NOW for 18 Months!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VEYzwSdZU)

J6VEYzwSdZU

Here's a summary of the most important points raised by Paul Cottrell. (Everything below is courtesy of Natural News (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-19-dr-paul-cottrell-165-million-americans-infected-covid-19.html), not me.)

~~~

Covered in this interview with Dr. Cottrell:


The accelerating economic collapse and what it means for America.
Predictions of possible infections and deaths in America, and why our largely unhealthy population is at higher risk than other populations around the world.
Preparedness: Why Americans should be prepared with months of food supplies and 20 months of disruptions across society.
The “Bio Patriot Act” and coming forced vaccinations.
Dr. Cottrell’s nutrients, vitamins and herbs for protecting against viral infections.

Quotes from Dr. Paul Cottrell: (selected quotes, cropped for length, emphasis added)

This is much worse than Lehman.

The banks were already fragile. Now the VIX is an indicator of what risk is building up in the system.

I really believe that we are in 1929 or worse. Because 1929 it was about fear, about markets. This is a virus that’s shutting down the economy, and the virus doesn’t care about how much money is pumped in by the Federal Reserve. All it cares about is its host.

It’s important to understand that the virus is going to burn through the United States, and it’s going to last for 18 to 20 months. This is not a four weeks, three month thing. It’s 20 months.

But because of the health conditions of North Americans, especially in the United States, we’re unhealthy people. Half the population is unhealthy / geriatric, and this is the problem. This virus takes advantage of that.

165 million Americans are going to be infected with this virus in 20 months. Most of them will have mild cases. One sixth of the ones that are infected will have severe cases.

25% of them, which is about 6.9 million people, will die from complications of COVID-19. Because of the health situation, and the geriatric component.

These diseases they have, they can’t take the viral load. Their system is so compromised, they can’t fight the infection.

That is the virus part of it, then you can just imagine the shut down of the economy as the deaths are happening.

The economy is going to be shutting down, and the supply chains are going to be shutting down. And you’re going to have 50% unemployment.

This is going to be worse than the Great Depression, and worse than Lehman. So you’re going to have deaths and the complete destruction of the economy.

The “bio patriot act” will be instituted, and it will force de-cashing… they don’t want bills, they want all of the money supply in the banking system. You can’t ever take it out. Never have a bank run.

Social scoring, forced vaccinations, and if you don’t get your vaccine, you can’t get your money out, you don’t get your job, and you can see the totalitarianism that will take place with this bio patriot act rolling out.

This virus seems to be carrying the Chinese flag, the CCP flag. That we will see, you can see it now, they’ll first start with socialism and then they’ll go to totalitarianism. It’s almost like Atlas Shrugged…

We’re starting to see people bugging out. I’m afraid we’re going to lose our country. I’m afraid of losing our civil liberties. I’m afraid of this idea of forced vaccinations.

I do feel this is an opportunity people are using to roll out severe socialism that will lead to totalitarianism.

We’re probably going to see… you need food. You need to prepare for food. Four weeks is not enough. We’re probably two months or more is what’s needed. The medical system is not going to be able to take care of you.

We’re going to have to go to homeopathic remedies, because you’re not going to be able to get the 21st century health care. You need to have, to try to boost up your immune system, the vitamins, the minerals… what I do. I do multivitamins, vitamin C, zinc, C60, DNA Force (PQQ), CoQ10 and iodine and filtered water. No fluoride, nothing. Stay away from the fluoride.

If I get sick, I worked with some researchers in Europe. Protease inhibitors. If I get sick, and I can’t get to a doctor, I use forskolin, Relora, calendula, licorice root and birch bark. They’re known to be anti-viral, and there is scientific studies that some of the compounds in these kill coronaviruses in vitro.

And then the cytokine storm that can be created if you get reinfected, it may cause an overreaction of the immune system, so anti-inflammatories like turmeric, rosemary, those compounds will help calm it. You gotta take a lot of it.

There are means on the homeopathic realm if you can’t get to a doctor. Get this in your home, for your family, just in case you are sick. The colloidal silver realm, or the nano silver realm will also help to boost immune system, and are known to inactivate pathogens.

So the government, Homeland Security is going to ABL that makes nanosilver, to buy big purchases of nanosilver, and our military uses nanosilver for wound dressing, for on the field. It kills the pathogens and activates the stem cells for healing quicker. Those are some of the things that you can get in your toolbox.

[norman]

No war with China is winable under these circumstances. If there is one, the intended outcome is that "the west" signs the surrender papers handed to them by a PRC General.

That's always been the criminals' Plan B if we didn't fall for sleep-walking into what they wanted.

What's our Plan B ?

[onevoice]

According to CNN, the California Governor Gavin Newsom orders the state (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/california-coronavirus-stay-home-order/index.html) to stay home effective midnight of 3/19.

California orders its nearly 40 million residents to stay home to prevent the spread of coronavirus

(CNN)The nation's most populous state is ordering its nearly 40 million residents to stay home to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus.

Nineteen people have died and more than 900 tested positive (http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/us-coronavirus-case-updates-thursday/index.html) for coronavirus in California.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom's order marks the first statewide mandatory restrictions (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/world/everyday-heroes-help-during-coronavirus-crisis-cnnheroes/index.html) in the United States to help combat the outbreak. It went into effect at midnight Thursday, meaning Californians should not leave home except for essential things such as food, prescriptions (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/business/panic-buying-how-stores-restock-coronavirus/index.html), health care and commuting to jobs considered crucial.

The restrictions (http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/shelter-in-place-coronavirus-trnd/index.html) will remain in place until further notice and come a day after Newsom warned that more than half the state is projected to be infected by the virus in two months.

"This is a moment where we need some straight talk," Newsom told reporters. "As individuals and as a community, we need to do more to meet this moment."

The order will not be enforced by law enforcement, he added.

"I don't believe the people of California need to be told through law enforcement that it's appropriate just to home-isolate, protect themselves," Newsom said. "We are confident that the people of the state of California will abide by it and do the right thing."

Essential services will be open

Under the order, essential services such as groceries, pharmacies, gas stations, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores and delivery restaurants will remain open. So will banks, local government offices that provide services and law enforcement agencies.

Nonessential services such as dine-in restaurants, bars (http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/florida-coronavirus-beaches/index.html), gyms and convention centers will shut down, the governor said.

Newsom's order follows his request to President Donald Trump to send a US Navy medical ship to provide more health care options for the state.
"We project that roughly 56% of our state's population -- 25.5 million people -- will be infected with the virus over an eight-week period," he said in a Wednesday letter to Trump asking him to send the USNS Mercy hospital ship to the Port of Los Angeles for use through September 1.

California has been helping people returning to the US from overseas and needs the San Diego-based ship to help "decompress" its health care system as infection rates skyrocket, Newsom wrote. He warned that infection rates are doubling every four days in some parts of the state.

Coronavirus tracking models show its spread in California could require the hospitalization of more than 19,000 people beyond the state's current capacity.
"If we change our behaviors, that inventory will come down; if we meet this moment, we can truly bend the curve to reduce the need to surge -- to have to go out to have to cobble together all those assets together," Newsom said.
Officials plan to use dorm rooms at state universities to temporarily house coronavirus patients, along with hospitals that will support containment efforts.

Social distance is still required

Even with the order, California residents who take part in essential activities will have to maintain a social distance.
"Go about the essential patterns of life, but do so by socially distancing themselves from others and do so using a common sense," Newsom said. "Home isolation is not my preferred choice, but it is a necessary one. This is not a permanent state; it is a moment in time."

Before Newsom's announcement, other counties in Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area had issued similar mandates (http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/shelter-in-place-coronavirus-trnd/index.html). Officials in other states also are struggling to find ways to combat the fast-moving virus to avoid an influx of patients from overstretching medical facilities.

In New York, where coronavirus has killed 32 people, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he has no plans to impose a statewide mandate (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/bill-de-blasio-andrew-cuomo-new-york-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html).

"My job is to make sure that the state has a coordinated plan and it works everywhere," he said this week (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/bill-de-blasio-andrew-cuomo-new-york-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html). "I don't think shelter-in-place really works."

CNN's Jon Passantino and Alexandra Meeks contributed to this report.

[PurpleLama]

Hydroxychloroquine use for the virus is being fast tracked in the USA, as well, as per the president's press conference from yesterday.

[Bill Ryan]

Is this the same substance as MMS?


Mod note from Bill: can you clarify the question? What post are you replying to? THX
:thumbsup:
Sorry. I meant the possible treatment that both Trump and Canada are talking about now? HydroxychloroquineThanks for the clarification! No, they're totally different things. :thumbsup:

Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine are inexpensive, well-known, well-tested antimalarial drugs that have been around for a long time. (Hydroxychloroquine is a little milder.)

I have MMS here, but it's quite unpleasant to take. And it seems to work better for some people than others, for unknown reasons. But it often really does work, and occasionally miraculously.

So personally, while I have other remedies on hand, MMS is my okay-so-this-is-an-emergency last-ditch defense. :)
:shielddeflect:

[Dick]

Is this the same substance as MMS?





Mod note from Bill: can you clarify the question? What post are you replying to? THX
:thumbsup:


Sorry. I ment the possible threatment that both Trump and Canada are talking about now? Hydroxychloroquine

No not the same but that tought crossed my mind emediatly and it’s made here in the Netherlands.

https://www.ace-pharm.nl/en/product/acq100/

[Caliban]

Here's a positive view of what's happening. A hopeful one. Let's try to stay in balance and remember we create our realities. We're powerful and should not relinquish the knowledge of that. Affirming messages here.

This is page 111. Symmetry. Oneness.


Bmg1cwxar_M

[scotslad]

** BREAKING NEWS ** UK on Nationwide lockdown for pubs, clubs, restaurants etc from midnight

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51969508

Please read and verify via your own sources what is really happening

Just in -

First British arrest for 'failing to self-isolate due to coronavirus': 26-year-old male faces £10,000 fine and three months in jail after arriving on Isle of Man then 'refusing to go into 14-day quarantine'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8134259/First-arrest-UK-soil-failing-self-isolate-coronavirus.html

Please use common sense and apply your own due diligence on the above.

[The Moss Trooper]

** BREAKING NEWS ** UK on Nationwide lockdown for pubs, clubs, restaurants etc from midnight

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51969508

Please read and verify via your own sources what is really happening


I can confirm that here in Jersey, Channel Isles, the government have announced that all pubs, bars and restaurants will close from tomorrow. The passenger ferries are not carrying anymore passengers as from the 24th March, and I expect the airlines will follow suite soon there-after. We have a population of around 130,000 on an island 9 miles x 5 miles, very densely populated with not much room to 'get away from it all'. We have 12 confirmed cases on island so far. As from today, anyone, no matter where they have travelled from, must self-isolate for 14 days.

The local populace has been panic-buying for around 10 days now, the shelves in all of the supermarkets have been stripped bare as soon as produce is put on the shelves. There is NO food security on island, they rely on daily shipments for ALL goods. The local government are woeful. They could've locked this place down weeks ago, testing arrivals at the ports, tracking those testing positive, etc, etc. Instead, as per usual, they wait and see what the UK government do and then follow suite. It is an absolute shambles.

Remember, during World War II, the UK left these islands to fend for themselves, hence, the islands were the only UK territory to be occupied by the German military.


Wish us luck, I think we are going to need it.

ETA: Local news on right now...... All pubs and bars not serving food shutting with immediate effect, 6pm, 20th March, 2020.

Easyjet grounding all flights to island as from Tuesday. Emergency flights only..... Whatever that means.

Island opening first ever food bank.

Wow. This is getting really serious, really quickly.

[greybeard]

Coronavirus' death rate found to be lower than World Health Organization estimates

The coronavirus’ death rate may be lower than the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated, research suggests.

With the virus virtually unheard of at the start of the year, experts have been racing to uncover how dangerous it really is and the patients most likely to succumb to complications.

At the beginning of March, the WHO announced the virus had killed 3.4% of patients worldwide, which other experts called a likely “overestimate”.

To learn more, scientists from The University of Hong Kong looked at the 48,557 confirmed cases that had arisen as of 29 February in the Chinese city Wuhan, where the outbreak emerged.

They found the average death rate among patients under 30 was 0.3%, rising to 0.5% for those between 30 and 59, and 2.6% for people aged 60 or above.

Overall, they calculated the fatality rate to be 1.4%.

Although “promising”, experts have stressed estimating death rates in the midst of an outbreak is “fraught with difficulties”.

"There is more on the link"
Chris

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/coronavirus-covid19-death-rate-140843529.html

[IChingUChing]

Just in -

First British arrest for 'failing to self-isolate due to coronavirus': 26-year-old male faces £10,000 fine and three months in jail after arriving on Isle of Man then 'refusing to go into 14-day quarantine'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8134259/First-arrest-UK-soil-failing-self-isolate-coronavirus.html

Please use common sense and apply your own due diligence on the above.


Just read this on BBC website regarding the above case. Does seem a pretty impossible request when you're homeless!:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-51974140

A homeless man arrested for allegedly failing to self-isolate after arriving on the Isle of Man amid the coronavirus pandemic will not face prosecution, police have said.

[TrumanCash]

UPDATE on progress of our machine that was ordered from Luohe, China to Idaho via Fedex:

Dec 11, 2019 -- Ordered the machine through Alibaba. Alibaba then required additional credit card and personal information which was provided. Alibaba continued to refuse to accept the order after numerous attempts to order.

Jan 15, 2020 -- We finally gave up on Alibaba since they made it impossible to order the machine through their website. We had to order directly from Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Company using one of their PayPal accounts. Machine was ordered on Jan 15th but we were informed that the company had just gone on the Chinese New Year holiday and would be back to send out our order on February 1.

Feb. 9, 2020 -- We were informed by the factory sales rep that the factory would not be back to work until the 18th of February due to their "special time" [aka, coronavirus outbreak].

Feb. 23, 2020 -- We were informed that the factory was back to work and they were putting our order together. We were subsequently informed that they did not have our specified electrical plug in stock and that the factory that made those specific plugs was not yet back to work. We then told them to skip the plug and send it out as is (without the plug which is readily available in the US).

March 5, 2020 -- The factory sent a picture of the machine in a wooden crate ready to be shipped out.

March 9, 2020 -- The factory informed us that the machine had been sent out and gave us the Fedex tracking number that showed that the machine was in Dongguan, China.

March 10, 2020 -- Machine in Guangzhou, China.

March 11, 2020 -- Machine was flown to Honolulu and awaiting customs clearance but Fedex made it very difficult to get information on what forms and information that customs required.

March 13, 2020 -- Machine had cleared customs "International shipment release--Import". There were no customs duty charged by the US for our imported machine.

March 14, 2020 -- Fedex tracking stated that our machine would arrive in Idaho on Monday, March 16th. However, the shipment was delayed in Honolulu. At this point Fedex kept changing the tracking data in contradiction to their previous tracking data and apparently the machine arrived in Oakland, CA ~March 15.

March 19, 2020 -- Fedex tracking still showing the machine is delayed in Oakland, CA, with no delivery date -- "No scheduled delivery date available at this time."

The air shipment of our machine was originally only supposed to take 6 days. The interruptions and delays in Fedex services are understandable under the circumstances. The problems with Alibaba not accepting payment in December is not understandable (WTF?)

ZeroHedge's Cov-19 Update (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-deaths-italy-track-surpass-china-more-countries-close-borders-confirmed-cases) today reported the following from Jeffrey Kleintop:

Is China a leading indicator for the rest of the world as COVID-19 runs its course?
*FEDEX SAYS CHINA DEMAND HAS REBOUNDED MORE THAN EXPECTED
*FEDEX SAYS 90-95% OF LARGE CHINESE MANUFACTURERS BACK OPERATING
*FEDEX SAYS 65-70% OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN CHINA OPERATING AGAIN

UPDATE: The machine from Luohe, China finally arrived today, March 20, 2020! It was ordered on Jan 15th but the Chinese holiday and virus situation delayed it. The air freight took two weeks instead of six days.

[Dorjezigzag]

Italy 627 deaths in one day, but then Germany has an overall total of 67 deaths with many cases. I understand there are different strains out there but the authorities need to have a dialogue with the public about the causes of this.

[ExomatrixTV]

BREAKING: Incoming Troops & MARTIAL LAW As ALL of New York ORDERED on LOCKDOWN With Strict QUARANTINE!!!
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The state of New York will soon be on strict lockdown with orders for all non essential businesses too close and for everyone to remain inside on quarantine. Meanwhile the national guard has been deployed and the US military is taking the steps now to have their soldiers ready for anything when it comes to dealing with those who may disobey the orders. In this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth speaks with Jason Bermas from inside the soon to be red zone in New York about the Draconian lockdown order that has been issue for the entire state, how that will effect the economy moving forward and where he sees this all going in the very near future!


more info (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8135311/NY-Gov-Cuomo-shuts-non-essential-businesses-coronavirus-crisis.html)

[PurpleLama]

About the use of hydroxychloroquine and azirthromycin in the treatment of covid-19:

https://www.covidtrial.io/

[wondering]

Caliban, I was blown away by the video with Sacha Stone. What a wonderful perspective he has that ties together so many concepts. I am so grateful to have seen it. thank you. Diane

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIvGIukZhk
Chris links to a report on his website about how to survive lockdown in style. (It's actually called The Home Lockdown Survival Guide: Your all-in-one resource for staying healthy, sane & solvent.)


https://peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-the-home-lockdown-survival-guide

Btw, it's well worth while skimming through the comments under any of Chris Martenson's videos, especially the latest ones. Personal reports come in from all over the world with first-hand information you'd never see on CNN or the BBC.

[rgray222]

Bill, thought you may find this interesting.

Coronavirus: Police in Ecuador block runway to stop flights from landing

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/03/coronavirus-police-in-ecuador-block-runway-to-stop-flights-from-landing/_jcr_content/par/image.dynimg.full.q75.jpg/v1584580094553/dnh-chopper-twitter-dla.jpg

A video posted on social media appears to show the extreme lengths one city has gone to to stop aircraft arriving in their city during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The incident happened in the city of Guayaquil in Ecuador on Wednesday (NZ time) after the government had announced increased border restrictions for the country, but had allowed for flights to arrive to take visitors home, or repatriate local citizens.

Video from the airport was posted on Twitter by Manuel Ramirez ARFF on Thursday morning (NZ time).
To view the video: https://twitter.com/ArffManuel/status/1240382820960395265?s=20

Despite the landings being authorised, staff from the local police and transit authorities entered the airport grounds in government vehicles to stop any aircraft from landing.

The move surprised airport staff, who were expecting the scheduled arrival of two commercial flights, both of which had to divert to other cities.

Both airport and government officials have distanced themselves from the alleged rouge activity and have said at this stage they expect regular flights to continue.

Source: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/03/coronavirus-police-in-ecuador-block-runway-to-stop-flights-from-landing.html?fbclid=IwAR0tj36s4Y6cFkPCUnhjI0Hpwzvr32cdYBEoGbDnVYYLtKlgY0MxDQ5Fi-U

[Ben]

Here's a positive view of what's happening. A hopeful one. Let's try to stay in balance and remember we create our realities. We're powerful and should not relinquish the knowledge of that. Affirming messages here.

This is page 111. Symmetry. Oneness.


Bmg1cwxar_M

Wow.
Thank you so much Caliban, for posting this.

My heart is singing to the beat of Sachs's spiel on what is going on.

I was going to post about what I feel, whilst being emotionally knackered, but the timing of your post relieves me of that dutiful feeling.

Thank you again.

[PurpleLama]

About the use of hydroxychloroquine and azirthromycin in the treatment of covid-19:

https://www.covidtrial.io/

This is actually an invitation to participate in further trials, presumably in France where the initial study occurred.

In the first trial, 40 patients were treated with the two drugs, and in 6 days they were clear of the virus. This was mentioned by Trump yesterday, that US based trials were to begin as soon as possible.

[ExomatrixTV]

Under Cover Of Coronavirus Congress Introduces Bill That Allows Gov To Control All Internet Content:
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[Ben]

On a slightly easier note to relay, in Glasgow (Scotland), we've had two days of sun (complete with cartoon style little white clouds), for the first time since early autumn.


This chimes whith a couple of posts about clear skies from various Avalon contributants around the world.


It feeels so liberatingly different to what's been going on.


The animals know this, and are singing their joy.


Let's utilize our infinite potential, follow suit, and re-imagine the world that we want to BE.

[Phoenix]

On a slightly easier note to relay, in Glasgow (Scotland), we've had two days of sun (complete with cartoon style little white clouds), for the first time since early autumn.


This chimes whith a couple of posts about clear skies from various Avalon contributants around the world.


It feeels so liberatingly different to what's been going on.


The animals know this, and are singing their joy.


Let's utilize our infinite potential, follow suit, and re-imagine the world that we want to BE.

I felt the same way today Ben!

Same for me in Brazil regarding the sun, an absolutely brillllllliant day here. I was on 'cloud 9' of happiness.

[Caliban]

Let's utilize our infinite potential, follow suit, and re-imagine the world that we want to BE.


Yes, Ben. Right now we need some deep, deep dreamers. See it into being. Don't we have help out there? In there? We need to call on that right now in any and every way we know how to or don't know (yet)

[gbfromsea]

I've been trying to wrap my brain around the numbers being posted about Covid-19 cases around the world and the numbers seems to vary greatly. I've been drilling down from this website: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Down the page they have a list of countries sorted by number of cases descending. If you look to the right there is a column for Active Cases and for Critical Cases. This is what I find so puzzling. If you look at Italy they claim to have (at the time of this writing) 2655 Critical cases but if you look at Germany they only have 2 Critical Cases. The U.S. is listing 64 as Active Critical (for the whole Country.) They go as far to list the "mild" cases on the individual State pages e.g. USA 19,146 Mild Condition out of a total of 19,240. Anyway this seems like too much of a disparity. I did a search for just how many people have been hospitalized with Covid-19 but haven't been able to find a page with running totals for active cases. It seems to me that this would be the most important number to know. If the Hospitals are filling up with critical Covid-19 cases versus people testing positive but experiencing mild symptoms and staying home doesn't seem to being tracked in a meaningful way.

No wonder a lot of people think this is B.S. it doesn't add up.

[Caliban]

Epidemic: quarantining real science

Even assuming that researchers actually discovered COV—the diagnostic test, at best, might indicate the patient has a tiny, tiny amount of COV in his body. But, in order to cause illness, he would need to have millions and millions of virus actively replicating in his body. The test has never been proved to be capable of detecting that.

And on top of all this, the overwhelming percentage of “COV cases” in the world have been diagnosed WITHOUT THE DIAGNOSTIC TEST for the virus.

Therefore, what we’re left with are many people, with all sorts of different conditions, caused by many different factors—irrationally collected together under one label.

Full article here: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/20/epidemic-quarantining-real-science/

[onawah]

MUST SEE from RFKennedy Jr. Does the Coronavirus Pandemic Serve a Global Agenda?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1342374&viewfull=1#post1342374

[ErtheVessel]

Occasionally I check Henry Makow, though I often find his content a little on the extreme side. Anyway, I just checked it this evening and found an interesting article from someone named "Paolo" dated today, March 20, 2020.

According to this author, there is beginning to be conjecture among some Italians that the places hardest hit with mortality in Italy were the same regions where people agreed to a vaccination for a certain kind of meningitis that was becoming more common in recent years due to infected immigrants from a country where there is less adequate health care. The thought is that it was the vaccine that weakened the immune system and made the people in these regions of Italy so susceptible to Covid-19.

https://www.henrymakow.com/
Title of article: Italy- Vaccinated Area is Hit Worst

All conjecture, of course, but certainly an interesting theory.

[Phoenix]

Bill, why do you believe in the figures the WHO and MSM is putting out? This whole thing is a scam, yet you're so entranced by the figures and horesh*t science about the 'virus.' Why?

[Sophocles]

This looks real to me.

Woman in ICU warns of Covid-19 dangers: 'Don't take any chances' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFLSG-7K3Tc)


Tara Jane Langston has warned people ‘not to take any chances’ in a video made from an intensive care unit. Langston, who says she was diagnosed with Covid-19 on Sunday, added that: ‘If anyone still smokes, put the cigarettes down because I’m telling you now, you need your lungs. Please, none of you take any chances’


A fit, healthy 39-year-old woman struggles to breath after being infected with coronavirus, warns fellow Britons

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Article: 'Don't take any chances, just look at me': Fit-and-healthy gym-goer, 39, struggles to breathe from coronavirus as she gives stark warning from her intensive care hospital bed (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8131269/Fit-healthy-gym-goer-39-struggles-breathe-coronavirus.html)

[AutumnW]

Here's a positive view of what's happening. A hopeful one. Let's try to stay in balance and remember we create our realities. We're powerful and should not relinquish the knowledge of that. Affirming messages here.

This is page 111. Symmetry. Oneness.


Bmg1cwxar_M

5g is the coronavirus? When did that happen?

[AutumnW]

Thanks Sophocles,

Young people can get this. Smoking is not the only thing that makes people susceptible. Obesity is a predictor for a negative outcome as well. So, wherever there are lots of overweight souls hospitals will be very crowded, full to bursting.

[Phoenix]

This looks real to me.

Woman in ICU warns of Covid-19 dangers: 'Don't take any chances' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFLSG-7K3Tc)


Tara Jane Langston has warned people ‘not to take any chances’ in a video made from an intensive care unit. Langston, who says she was diagnosed with Covid-19 on Sunday, added that: ‘If anyone still smokes, put the cigarettes down because I’m telling you now, you need your lungs. Please, none of you take any chances’


A fit, healthy 39-year-old woman struggles to breath after being infected with coronavirus, warns fellow Britons

iFLSG-7K3Tc

Article: 'Don't take any chances, just look at me': Fit-and-healthy gym-goer, 39, struggles to breathe from coronavirus as she gives stark warning from her intensive care hospital bed (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8131269/Fit-healthy-gym-goer-39-struggles-breathe-coronavirus.html)

I'm being sincere here, is it possible that this lovely woman would have caught the flu and had a cytokine storm and nobody would of ever heard about it if this the current hysteria wasnt happening?

I ask this since I think the virus is an utter scam.

I've oly heard of 1 other story of a 27yr girl in White Plains NY being on a respirator like this woman.

I wish her quick recovery and peace to all....

[AutumnW]

Young people can get this and the virus is not a scam.

[AutumnW]

Bill, why do you believe in the figures the WHO and MSM is putting out? This whole thing is a scam, yet you're so entranced by the figures and horesh*t science about the 'virus.' Why?

Might you be mistaken?

[Iloveyou]

Is this the same substance as MMS?





Mod note from Bill: can you clarify the question? What post are you replying to? THX
:thumbsup:


Sorry. I ment the possible threatment that both Trump and Canada are talking about now? Hydroxychloroquine

No not the same but that tought crossed my mind emediatly and it’s made here in the Netherlands.

https://www.ace-pharm.nl/en/product/acq100/

Hydroxychloroquine (Hydroxichloroquine)

‘There are a range of other contraindications[14] [15] and caution is required if patients have certain heart conditions, diabetes, psoriasis etc.‘

So this was Sauron‘s idea?

[Agape]

I’d like to compliment my pharmacological opinion on the path of search for adequate Covid 19 treatments some of which are now confirmed in live trials,

namely the combination of chloroquine ( closely related to quinine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinine) that is natural antimalarial drug commonly used in northern hemisphere to reduce fevers and also, against certain types of parasites AND azithromycine.

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/



In the concentrations currently prescribed as treatment dose, antiviral and antibiotic properties of quinine are nearly insignificant but have kind of placebo calming effect on our immune system.
Lowering body temperature in itself slows the replication of many parasites.

However. Quinine was originally derived from the bark of quinoa( cinchona) tree by certain Amazonian tribes and knowledge of it was kept a secret, providing almost certified recovery from many types of “fevers”.
The bark of the tree would be boiled with some other herbs for many days on small fire till it produced very bitter dark brown concoction that would be further filtered and destined through linen bag.

It would be used by drops very carefully . But I’m almost certain that the concentrations of quinine in that kind of extract would be far higher than what are we giving people today.

..

It would not be harmful or difficult to perform a trial in group of healthy individuals or Covid patients in acute condition

with azithromycin ,

yes. Can recommend since this current coronavirus seems to be big and slow especially in early stages of infection AND most infectious pneumonia are triggered by
viruses but enhanced by activity of different kinds of bacteria inhabiting our breathing g systems simultaneously.

A third suggestion of medicine we may have forgotten about that is available over counter is ACC Long - acetylcysteine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine) that is recommended as mucosolvant in common colds, bronchitis and pneumonia but also in high doses with cystic fibrosis patients who develop suffocating amount of mucus.

It’s often sold in 100-1000 mg effervescent tablets dissolvable in water, sometimes combined with vitamins. Daily recommended dose in normal adults is 600mg as long as coughing persists,
in case of developing acute pneumonia the dose can be easily doubled till there’s clearance in the bronchi.

It should not be taken very long time unless cough returns or in case of producing dry throat and coughs.

It can be applied intravenously in hospitalised patients.



Further, I’d like to invite anyone interested in what Dr Steven Greer has to say on the Covid 19 topic addressing the situation rarely from point of emergency doctor to Live broadcast today at 5 PM EST (2.30 PET) on his YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/user/SDisclosure/featured


It will be late here but I’m interested.


Best wishes from my chamber


🙏

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, why do you believe in the figures the WHO and MSM is putting out? This whole thing is a scam, yet you're so entranced by the figures and horesh*t science about the 'virus.' Why?Thanks! I think I know what you mean, but it's not a 'scam'. (Meaning, an 'invention' or something 'unreal'.) Real people are suffering out there. It's not the Truman Show. :)

As Stefan Molyneux said a few days ago (I think it was him): I'd not trust the WHO to tell me the time in a room full of clocks. And the MSM are reporting on some very real events and developments, but I'd be certain there are some issues they're forbidden to mention or look at.

So of course, that makes it all skewed. The dramatic reporting is at a high level, while there's little or no investigative reporting. (In the 'mainstream', The Epoch Times (https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-coronavirus-outbreak) and The South China Morning Post (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3075872/zero-new-domestic-coronavirus-cases-china-first-time-epidemic) are two high quality exceptions, as is Simone Gao's excellent YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVWMVBg1RPrDlakdmbyTKBA).)

The figures I check daily are from this site (as was mentioned above):


https://worldometers.info/coronavirus

Of course, as Chris Martenson regularly points out in his daily analysis of the same numbers. there's a lot in there that can't be believed or accepted at face value. (China, Iran, Germany, and others.)

This page also gives running updates as numbers are released by each country, citing the source from each country. (Nothing to do with the WHO. These are national news reports.)


https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases

For instance, recent reports from Brazil come from these sources:


https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/03/20/brasil-tem-904-casos-confirmados-de-novo-coronavirus-diz-ministerio.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/03/19/casos-de-coronavirus-no-brasil-em-19-de-marco.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/03/18/casos-de-coronavirus-no-brasil-em-18-de-marco.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2020/03/18/sp-tem-quatro-mortes-confirmadas-pelo-coronavirus.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2020/03/17/estado-de-sp-tem-o-primeiro-caso-de-morte-provocada-pelo-coronavirus.ghtml?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=g1
https://twitter.com/AFPespanol/status/1239915086900350982
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/03/16/brasil-tem-234-casos-confirmados-de-novo-coronavirus-diz-ministerio.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/03/15/brasil-tem-176-casos-de-coronavirus-segundo-relatorio-do-ministerio-da-saude.ghtml

Like many of you (I'm sure! :) ), I have many tabs open all the time on my browser. (Which often slows to a crawl, so I relaunch it every morning.) And I also regularly check other sites, always doing the rounds.

There's a lot to keep track of! What I follow includes:


Chris Martenson's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos)
Dr John Campbell's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos)
Stefan Molyneux's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot/videos)
Medcram's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/MEDCRAMvideos/videos)
Simone Gao's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVWMVBg1RPrDlakdmbyTKBA)
The China Report YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9yulQ-A1jGXfQ4UMkNbsSg/videos)
Natural News (https://www.naturalnews.com)
Infowars (http://Infowars.com)
The Epoch Times (https://www.scmp.com/topics/coronavirus-outbreak)
The South China Morning Post (https://www.scmp.com/topics/coronavirus-outbreak)
The Guardian's running updates (current page here (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/21/coronavirus-live-updates-deaths-jump-in-spain-and-italy-millions-locked-down-in-us))
CNN's running updates (current page here (https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-intl-hnk/index.html))
The Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) daily reported statistics
BNO News (https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/) running daily event updates.

[ExomatrixTV]

Wim Hof's take on Coronavirus (COVID-19)
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Lets say we have a list of Top 10 best cures without any bad side-effects against any Flu Virus.

How much money & effort (by governments & "concerned agencies") would it cost to promote that on ALL mainstream media outlets VERSUS total lock-down bankrupting most of the economy (and taking away our freedoms) plus all the "after effects" of many people losing jobs, mortgages etc. etc. meanwhile the banks get 1,5 Trillion Bailout (payed by who?).

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

[T Smith]

This will be no doubt an unpopular opinion here, but hear me out. I'm agreeing with what I'm about to say on a rational, factual level, but not on an emotional level.

Coronavirus is good for the planet. And for humanity.
There are way too many people that live way too long, unnaturally old. Best case scenario, they don't have to spend the last 10 years of their life suffering on a hospital bed with their personality and memory gone, but they can die a natural, quick death, which is a beautiful thing. Death is a natural, NESCESSARY thing that can also be beautiful.
Anyway, my point being that People consume resources and fly in a manner that WILL lead to a catastrophe sooner or later if nothing is done. The virus reminds us of that. Our way of life these days is unsustainable. Not. Sustainable.

In a purely biologial point of view, and in the longer run, the more people this thing kills, the better it is in the longer run for humanity as a species, and for the planet. May sound harsh, but that's just nature. No good, no bad, just one thing after another.

The price we pay now is a short period of (mostly) individual tragedies, but this will clear the air (literally). Reducing the population is what is needed in order to survive as a species. In fact, the positive impact this thing has already had on the environment, climate, and the quality of air, it's probably saved more lives than it's taken.

Please don't judge, this is not meant to belittle anyone's shortcomings and my heart goes out to anyone and everyone suffering because of this.

Oh and btw, I will definitely take the vaccine if they come up with one, not for myself, but for those around me.

This is essentially a eugenicist's argument --almost to a T. I have no problem with the argument, per se, and agree with its premise. No judgements here. What I do have a problem, with, however--is when said argument becomes conflated with humans wielding its words to assume the role of deity, when a certain group of elitist intellectuals, e.g. Club of Rome, Bill Gates Foundation, etc., make it their mission to execute the argument per their limited understanding of it, and when they endeavor to determine just how it should be done.

If the coronavirus is indeed a product of natural evolution, your post resonates with me. If it was created in a lab, either as a a bioweapon of power and domination, or even if its ultimate objective is meant to achieve the more noble aim at "clearing the air," so to speak, you won't find me in the camp where the ends justify the means.

Carry on...

[Caliban]

Bill, why do you believe in the figures the WHO and MSM is putting out? This whole thing is a scam, yet you're so entranced by the figures and horesh*t science about the 'virus.' Why?Thanks! I think I know what you mean, but it's not a 'scam'. (Meaning, an 'invention' or something 'unreal'.) Real people are suffering out there. It's not the Truman Show. :)


Bill, no one says that "real people" are NOT suffering. The questions by all reputable skeptics have been about what it is they are suffering from and how that has been determined or not determined.

I haven't seen you address what Rappaport and others have been saying about the testing and often, about the NON-testing. Why not give it a go? These are important questions which is why he keeps going back again and again to those questions:


Even assuming that researchers actually discovered COV—the diagnostic test, at best, might indicate the patient has a tiny, tiny amount of COV in his body. But, in order to cause illness, he would need to have millions and millions of virus actively replicating in his body. The test has never been proved to be capable of detecting that.

And on top of all this, the overwhelming percentage of “COV cases” in the world have been diagnosed WITHOUT THE DIAGNOSTIC TEST for the virus.

Therefore, what we’re left with are many people, with all sorts of different conditions, caused by many different factors—irrationally collected together under one label.


https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/20/epidemic-quarantining-real-science/

[Free Bird]

I've been trying to wrap my brain around the numbers being posted about Covid-19 cases around the world and the numbers seems to vary greatly. I've been drilling down from this website: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Down the page they have a list of countries sorted by number of cases descending. If you look to the right there is a column for Active Cases and for Critical Cases. This is what I find so puzzling. If you look at Italy they claim to have (at the time of this writing) 2655 Critical cases but if you look at Germany they only have 2 Critical Cases. The U.S. is listing 64 as Active Critical (for the whole Country.) They go as far to list the "mild" cases on the individual State pages e.g. USA 19,146 Mild Condition out of a total of 19,240. Anyway this seems like too much of a disparity. I did a search for just how many people have been hospitalized with Covid-19 but haven't been able to find a page with running totals for active cases. It seems to me that this would be the most important number to know. If the Hospitals are filling up with critical Covid-19 cases versus people testing positive but experiencing mild symptoms and staying home doesn't seem to being tracked in a meaningful way.

No wonder a lot of people think this is B.S. it doesn't add up.

I agree it doesn't add up. For the last 3 days at least, the UK has had 20 serious, critical cases but the daily death toll has been running at 33+. Surely they would have been critical prior to dying?

I think the UK's ICU beds are already at capacity and they are not letting on. From now on, if you are seriously ill and require intensive support, the odds of surviving will be less.

[sunwings]

I agree it doesn't add up. For the last 3 days at least, the UK has had 20 serious, critical cases but the daily death toll has been running at 33+. Surely they would have been critical prior to dying?

I think the UK's ICU beds are already at capacity and they are not letting on. From now on, if you are seriously ill and require intensive support, the odds of surviving will be less.


Anyone from the UK, please take 12 minutes to listen to the Director of a London Intensive Unit Ward. It is heartbreaking to hear his frustration at British political administration who seem to be operating from a parallel universe.

tr4xCcE3BEI

[Bill Ryan]

I haven't seen you address what Rappaport and others have been saying about the testing and often, about the NON-testing. Why not give it a go? These are important questions which is why he keeps going back again and again to those questions:

I took the time to listen very carefully to Jon Rappoport on Infowars 4 days ago, on 17 March.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5e7150043b4c4d00a2225434

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In my strong opinion, his presentation was childish, immature and ill-founded. I'd encourage everyone to hear it and make up your own minds.

I found it embarrassing to listen to. You might feel the same way, too. Having given that my best shot, I now disregard everything he says — and how he says it.

There are many smart, perceptive, and well-informed voices out there that we should listen carefully to. Others may feel differently; but in my opinion, Rappoport is no longer one of them.

[Caliban]

In my strong opinion, his presentation was childish, immature and ill-founded. Do watch this.

It was embarrassing to listen to. You might feel the same way, too. Having given that my best shot, I now disregard everything he says (and how he says it).

There are many smart, perceptive, and well-informed voices out there that we should listen carefully to. In my opinion, Rappoport is no longer one of them.


You're avoiding his questions, Bill. You go on and on posting about the #'s of people with this COV19 but you totally avoid the questions regarding testing and determination of cases.

Whether someone appears childish to you or not (and that Video is NOT what I referenced) is not the point. The point is you are NOT dealing with a very, very fundamental issue regarding the narrative of this so-called Pandemic.

[Bill Ryan]

In my strong opinion, his presentation was childish, immature and ill-founded. Do watch this.

It was embarrassing to listen to. You might feel the same way, too. Having given that my best shot, I now disregard everything he says (and how he says it).

There are many smart, perceptive, and well-informed voices out there that we should listen carefully to. In my opinion, Rappoport is no longer one of them.

You're avoiding his questions, Bill. You go on and on posting about the #'s of people with this COV19 but you totally avoid the questions regarding testing and determination of cases.

Whether someone appears childish to you or not (and that Video is NOT what I referenced) is not the point. The point is you are NOT dealing with a very, very fundamental issue regarding the narrative of this so-called Pandemic.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5e7150043b4c4d00a2225434

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Please watch the video! It may be important. Seeing someone talk live in person is more revealing that what they might write in a carefully prepared blog post. It says something about who they are, and their deep attitudes.

I was genuinely disappointed, and actually pretty disgusted. I tuned into the live show, prepared to be informed.

You may not feel the same, but that's how I felt. I found it painful to listen to. When I say "I was embarrassed", of course I was embarrassed for him.

This is a lion in winter. He's done heroic work in his career, but here's he's past his sharpest and best, reduced to sarcasm like a child in a playground. Just listen. (Gerald Celents is the same, btw.)

It's not "Fake, Fake, Fake", as Rappoport says again and again. It's real. There are real people with real life-threatening issues. The numbers are NOT very large yet — in fact, they're tiny — but it's where it's heading that's important.

If you're standing on the highway with a Mack truck bearing down on you at 70 mph, but it's still a quarter mile away, you don't need to be too smart to realize it'll hit you pretty soon unless you get out the way.

But genuinely, you may not understand my position. I know this thread is very long now, and my own views are all distributed over different posts. Here's where I stand this morning:

I say this with genuine respect. But like Rappoport, your own view on this huge landscape doesn't seem to be taking into account nearly enough real-world factors and issues.


It's a bioweapon. I'm 100% certain.
I believe it was deliberately released. I suspect a "deep state" agency in the US. (Not China.) The cui bono? question is obvious to everyone reading this.
The many medical papers published are largely accurate, but there's still a lot that's not known about this. For instance, (a) it may be mutating, or (b) worse still, new strains may be being 'sown' covertly in different places to keep the forest fire burning.
The MSM are covering real stories with real people and (largely) real numbers, but have been vetoed from reporting on or investigating some of the most important issues and obvious questions.
Increasingly, several things feel obvious to me. I've commended on some of them earlier. Not all these are of equal importance!





China's reported numbers can't be trusted.
Unless there's a big reversal of policy in many nations (which seems unlikely), the global depression we're headed for will make the 1930s looks like a tea party. The markets will continue to fall and fall and fall. If Deutsche Bank fails, for instance (which is quite possible), then we're in the kind of edge-of-the-precipice situation similar to the collapse of Bear Stearns and Lehman in 2008.
While the lockdowns can quite easily be rationalized, it seems increasingly hard to understand that governments can't see that the damage caused by a global depression will be almost greater than is easily imagined.
The incompetence and lack of organization in the US, for many weeks now, increasingly starts to look criminally designed. The entire country could collapse. (I mean collapse.)
There's going to be devastation and total chaos in the US, and also some smaller countries like Venezuela (which will be ravaged), and many countries in Africa. Other countries will fare better.
Of course, the Tokyo Olympics will be canceled. (This is such a no-brainer it's hard to express!)
Trump's re-election is in great danger. He's handled this really poorly, missing the opportunity to be an honest, inspiring, strong, tell-it-like-it-is leader. He may be being given poor advice (or being set up to fail), but he really doesn't seem to be aware of what's happening around him.
Anything Qanon says about 'mass arrests" can be disregarded. I don't see Trump as being in any kind of control. It's just more Nesara-type (i.e. always happening next week) fantasy.
Testing isn't the issue. It's not even that important. Soon, there'll be too many sick people to test anyway, using any methodology. (Bookmark that comment.) Real things are happening. Read Elainie's account (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1342090#post1342090) of her own sickness (and her report of the phone call with her ex-CIA friend in intel, who said it was "100% a bioweapon", and who was "very shaken".)
It's not "Fake, Fake, Fake". Bioweapons aren't "Fake".

[Caliban]

Thanks for that above, Bill.

So your basic position is that Corona/Covid19 is not even an issue anymore, Wuhan virus, whatever they've called it. It's a bioweapon and it's mutating.

So the #'s of people they're saying have "it" can't be trusted because IT is not what they're saying IT is.

So how are you determining what's really happening? Whose #'s do you trust? This then seems like a total blind alley. People showing up at hospital could have regular flu, corona, effects of the bioweapon, PANIC attacks with symptoms, psychosomatic responses, any # of things.

I don't argue with the economic geopolitical stuff you said. But I don't see how #'s of people showing up can tell us that much anymore--unless we're getting deeply truthful reporting. Which we're not.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Great summary, Bill. I agree with you, although not 100%. I agree that it was created at the Wuhan bio lab from materials stolen from Canada and the Netherlands. I think it was most probably released accidentally (a worker unknowingly infected).

It is possible that the US deep state released it, but if that was the case they would know it would eventually come back to the US, which lacking the extremely strong state controls of China is likely to be even more badly affected (even though, of course, all Chinese numbers are fake, they seem to be controlling it better than, say Italy). Why would they damage their own power base so badly and uncontrollably? If they did it, why not make it target (for example) smokers only, so that Chinese men would be severely affected but less so Americans?

The one thing I agree with Davenport about is that this being used as a pretext to tighten the grip of the state, increased surveillance, cashless society, lockdown in breach of basic civil liberties. They will go as far and as fast as they can to eliminate freedom given this "opportunity" - "never let a good crisis go to waste" etc.

Testing is vital in the early stages but once it becomes too widespread there's no use anymore, as you say. The CDC did such a terrible job at the beginning, it is like those discussions people used to have about 9/11 - MIHOP or LIHOP?

One thing for sure, the wild craziness has only just started. It's going to be very hairy, we just have to hang onto the positive vision on the other side.