The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

[pyrangello]

So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans , so whats the urgency with this one? Anybody have any answers or hunches? I will say 2 years ago I caught something, I couldn't do anything for 2 weeks, kicked my butt big time including being winded just from walking 50 ft. WEe know this started in china last month but now looks like its picking up steam , they also know now it is getting transmitted human to human. East asia also has a very bad swine virus going around????

Killer Chinese virus comes to the US: Patient infected with SARS-like coronavirus is reported in Washington state, CDC says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7912949/Killer-Chinese-virus-comes-patient-reported-Washington-state-CDC-says.html


http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/cases-of-chinas-new-mystery-virus-have-quadrupled-human-to-human-transmission-confirmed-and-it-may-soon-arrive-here

[Eric J (Viking)]

THERE are fears the deadly coronavirus could become global with Chinese New Year sparking three BILLION trips.

At least six people have died while 308 victims have been infected including more than 270 in Wuhan which is the epicentre of the outbreak.

And with confirmed cases in Thailand, Japan and South Korea there are concerns that the upcoming Lunar New Year could spark a global pandemic.

In fact, today it has been reported that the first case in the United States will be announced, according to federal sources.

This Saturday marks the first day of the country’s New Year celebrations which is known as the "largest annual human migration in the world.”

Hundreds of millions of Chinese people will return home via planes, trains, ferries and by car – sparking mass movement within China as well as from abroad.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10790528/coronavirus-spread-chinese-new-year/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly


Ps... Oops just noticed this has been posted... Sorry mods
Viking

[Matt P]

We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
Pyrangello, those flu death numbers are wrong. CDC always publishes wrong death numbers. They assume flu, even though there are many other things that produce the same symptoms. When researchers have actually gone through the “flu” samples they’ve discovered very few were actually the flu. But flu is what they sell vaccines for so that’s what they hype. Remember the swine flu scare a few years back? They did the same thing there, hyped deaths as swine flu but they weren’t. Jon Rappaport over at Nomorefakenews.com has documented all this really well. Go there for more detail.

As with any virus, the key is not to think about the virus so much but to think about your own interior terrain. A healthy immune system will defeat pretty much any virus. The other key is to know how to combat a virus naturally, using your body’s own defenses. My wife is a nurse practitioner and we NEVER ingest pharma drugs. There are several natural antibiotics, antifungals and antivirus products that work far better than anything you can get in a hospital (a couple threads on those around here, too). Learn and experiment with those and you’ll come to a point where you’ll not fear any virus and you’ll see these stories for what they are.

Matt

[ExomatrixTV]

CONFIRMED -The First Case Of Coronovirus In The USA*6 Things You Need To Know:
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[DeDukshyn]

Let's understand that "coronavirus" is just a type of virus family, not a specific virus ... many of the "common colds" we get are caused by the corona virus, but more commonly the "rhinovirus".

Corona viruses are not new - first discovered ~1960 as the cause of people suffering from common cold symptoms, although now we know that there are over 200 different viruses that can give us the "common cold" symptoms. So headlines like in the video above as "first case of coronovirus in USA" is misleading and simplistic media click baiting (in the video title, not the post).

I believe there are seven known strains that currently can infect humans, many of them affect other mammals and livestock.

We may be dealing with a new strain, or a highly mutated strain. This apparent "new strain" has been considered not easy to be transmitted from human to human. Let's not allow media to cause us to project our fear around this, as that fear will not serve, and ultimately make the situation much worse than it would otherwise.

From my point of view, there's nothing to be alarmed about at all. Remember the US gets at least seven confirmed bubonic plague cases every year. I know of at least 5 cases people in the last few years here in Canada where people died from complications of an unknown respiratory illness, the doctors just say, well we know its not influenza. Weird viruses are everywhere ... like I said, there's over 200 known viruses we attribute the "common cold" to - which range in severity from "just like the worst flu ever" .. to "the sniffles". Weird viruses are everywhere ... all the time. if you weighed all the viruses and all the humans on earth, viruses would weigh more, and they can only be seen with an electron microscope - consider how many there are on earth altogether.

[DeDukshyn]

So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans
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Health Canada says that about 8000 Canadians die from influenza. Actual confirmed cases in all of Canada for an entire year is closer to the 200 mark. Some of the models used to calculate how they get that "8000" number included counting deaths in winter months (it's Canada, lots of people die in the winter for all sorts of reasons not related to illness), then subtracting the deaths from previous summer months and the difference is "flu deaths" (sorry I don't have link to original investigation behind this - it was a CBC investigative journalist's report) -- but things like car accident fatalities in winter due to icy and snowy roads are counted as "flu deaths". Pretty accurate, right?

Cui bono from these flu stat lies? Big Pharma. Big Pharma benefits most from creating fear of a pandemic - real, or of appearances only - it matters not to their profits.

Edit: Don't underestimate placebo effect ... it can be weaponized.

[pyrangello]

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-imposes-voluntary-quarantine-of-wuhan-11-million-people-over-coronavirus-spread

Quarantine of 11 million in china, I'm not worried as much as I think there's much that isn't being said. Theres a YouTube video on this link where they are spraying the town for the virus possibly. I know about the vaccinations slant, I don't get any of them . But go to this link , there talking quarantines in mexico, Australia, ect ect. I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.

[DeDukshyn]

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-imposes-voluntary-quarantine-of-wuhan-11-million-people-over-coronavirus-spread
... I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.

Yeah ... when the information environment has reached a level where the entire ecology is based around strategically created and distributed information, it gets much more difficult to find reliable sources. But yes, I do agree - throwing stuff on the table is good, but also discernment is required somewhat for what we throw on the table. Energy flows where attention goes ... is that the saying? Or was it just a cat meme thread? ;)

[pyrangello]

Coronavirus Deaths Double Overnight To 17, Suspected Case Identified In St. Petersburg

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-infections-climb-473-china-hong-kong-confirms-first-case

[Bill Ryan]

We discovered quite a lot about the mechanics (and mathematics!) of epidemiology during the Swine Flu scare of 2009-10, and the later Ebola scare a few years ago. It's instructive to learn a little about how all this works.

The paradox with something dangerous and infectious is that (e.g.) if some super-virus is super-fatal and strikes people down within 24 hours, then it's NOT such a risk to become an epidemic. Because, coarsely put, it kills the carrier before they have a chance to spread it around.

What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

[wegge]

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/22/is-the-new-deadly-china-virus-a-covert-operation/

„...Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must...“

[The Moss Trooper]

I believe the Coronavirus is nothing more than the "common cold". Is this another swine flu and avian flu scare, born of the world's flu incubator (China) again? Seems to be.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coronavirus+common+cold&t=h_&ia=web


From Jim Stone:



BOOOOM! CORONA VIRUS UPDATE ACCORDING TO MEX MEDIA

Anything else is probable B.S. hype

Diez en Punto, (by far the best newscast, perhaps in North America) stated that there have thus far been 446 cases of Coronavirus TOTAL in the ENTIRE world and that no one anywhere has died. This is proof of a scare psy op, and I can prove it.
FACT: "Corona Virus" is what causes the common cold. Therefore, there are millions and millions and millions of cases, but for their "outbreak model" they are hoaxing people making them think this is something unique by stating low numbers and praying for people to be ROCK STUPID.

Why trumpet 446 "confirmed cases" when there are obviously millions out there? Why trumpet 446 cases with zero dead? Why? Because it "showed up in China first", just like "swine flu" and H1N1? Here's a new education: All of the big scares have come out of China and all, (including coronavirus now) are proven hoaxes, hoax busted right here, on this site. QUESTION: WHY CHINA? Why is China ground zero for this crap? The social credit score? The one place where they can push it with instant penalization of dissenters? Probably something in that ball park.
I am officially declaring the "corona virus" outbreak a HOAX. FACT: in the city where I sit, with a population of 1.5 million, there are at least 3, 000 cases of "corona virus" because it is SO DAMN COMMON. This is not an outbreak, it is a medical scare scam.

A medical scare scam launched by a first year medical student or someone else who thinks "coronavirus" sounds spooky. YES. IT SOUNDS SPOOKY. Spookier than bird flu at least! Maybe that will work. NOT.

[yuhui]

What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

Quite right, the incubation period is said to be 7 days for the virus: 2019-nCoV but they only stop and examine people who has higher body temperature than normal at bus/train stations and airports because it's said to be most contagious.

Now this has proved to be a failure so the whole city is now quarantined: https://www.foxnews.com/health/china-quarantines-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-reports

Meanwhile, there is a shortage of medical resources, doctors and medical experts so people with symptoms has to wait hours to receive medical treatment, some of them gave up and went home. People are not getting help they need.

[onawah]

Is the new ‘deadly China virus’ a covert operation?
by Jon Rappoport
January 22, 2020

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/22/is-the-new-deadly-china-virus-a-covert-operation/

(Bold letters my emphasis)

"NEW VIRUS IN CHINA. WATCH OUT. SPREADING. ANIMALS TO HUMANS? PANDEMIC COMING UP? OBEY MEDICAL AUTHORITIES. ALL HANDS ON DECK. CENTERED IN WUHAN. CITY OF 11 MILLION. WILL THEY QUARANTINE AND SHUT DOWN HONG KONG? TRAVELERS WITH THE VIRUS GETTING THROUGH TO EUROPE AND AMERICA? WHAT’S THE NAME OF THE VIRUS? 2019-nCOV or nCoV2019. WHAT? THANK GOD THE CHINESE ARE UNDER A TIGHT DICTATORSHIP, THEY CAN CRACK DOWN AND QUARANTINE ANYBODY ON A WHIM. IF YOUR BODY TEMPERATURE IS ELEVATED ON A TEST, THEY STOP YOU? WOW. WE MAY NEED THAT IN THE USA, AS LONG AS THEY DON’T STOP ME. IMPEACHMENT? FORGET THAT, IT’S THE VIRUS.

In the 19 years of this website, the one story I’ve researched and covered more than any other is the DEADLY VIRUS hustle. SARS, Swine Flu, Ebola, etc.

Now, we have a new one. The possible maybe CORONAVIRUS from China.

In each case of these could-be killers, we have an official warning. “This could be the big one.” Millions of people could fall ill and die. In each case, there are travelers. “People returning from X have the virus and they are spreading it.” In the case of SARS and Swine Flu, the patients’ symptoms were typical “flu” symptoms: fever, fatigue, cough, weakness. In other words, there was no reason to think the “new disease” was any different from ordinary traditional illness.

The big and only difference is the claim that researchers have found a new virus as the cause of illness.

But in each case, there are serious problems with that claim.

First, only “official researchers” are involved with the “discovery” of the new virus. There is no confirmation from independent researchers. For example, in the case of SARS (2003), ten labs belonging to the World Health Organization (WHO) performed the “discovery” of that coronavirus. They were connected through closed circuit—no outsiders allowed.

Eventually, a Canadian biologist working for WHO, Frank Plummer, told the press he was quite puzzled by what he was seeing: more and more SARS patients didn’t have the SARS virus at all. In fact, almost no new SARS patients had the virus. Well, when you stop and think about that ridiculous state of affairs, you realize you can’t say a person, with ordinary flu-like symptoms, is suffering from a new disease if he doesn’t have the cause of that disease. But the mainstream press took no notice of this and moved on.

In the case of the Swine Flu “epidemic” (2009), the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) was reporting thousands of cases in America—but CBS star reporter Sharyl Attkisson found out that the CDC had, mysteriously, stopped counting cases. How could this be? She came up with the devastating answer. The overwhelming percentage of blood tests on Swine Flu patients were coming back from labs with no sign of the Swine Flu virus or any other flu virus. That story ran on the CBS News site, but as Attkisson told me in an interview, the bosses at CBS wouldn’t allow it on the national television news broadcast. Censored. And that was the end of the CBS exposure of the Swine Flu hoax. Yet, as I reported: about three weeks after CBS shut down the story, WebMD ran a piece in which the CDC estimated there were 22 MILLION cases of Swine Flu in the US. If your head is spinning, it should be.

The second major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the absence of research on what we could call the “infection factor.” Let me explain. To even begin to say a particular germ is causing a particular disease, you have to prove the germ is present in a patient’s body IN GREAT NUMBERS. A few little viral particles floating around here and there are irrelevant. You need millions. So if an ignorant doctor or a researcher states, “Well, this patient has the coronavirus so he has the disease,” he’s falling far short of proving anything useful. Where are the tests proving the patient has millions of the virus in his body? Nowhere.

The third major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the “test factor.” What test is being run on a patient to prove he has the “new virus” in his body? Most of the time, it is an antibody test. Stay with me here, this is important. Prior to 1984, it was generally recognized that a positive antibody test was a good outcome. In short, it indicated that the patient’s immune system had come in contact with a germ and successfully defeated it. But then, for several reasons, this science was turned on its head. A positive antibody test, from that time on, was evidence that the patient currently had the disease in question. Boom. Now, disease numbers could easily be inflated. And they were. And they are.

Automatically assuming that the announcement of a possible epidemic is accurate—well, it’s a major mistake, to say the least.

The CDC and WHO are operated by virus hunters. Running a new virus up the flagpole is their stock in trade. They rush to an area where an “outbreak” has been announced, and they roll up their sleeves and look for the virus. They pay no attention to environmental factors, such as contaminated water supplies or toxic chemicals or malnutrition or lack of basic sanitation.

Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must.

Nineteen years ago, when I started this website, I told you that, of all the cartels in this world, the most important and powerful one, long-term, was the medical cartel. Nothing since that time has changed my mind."

[TomKat]

Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-oregano-oil-150-mg-120-sgels

[Delight]

Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-oregano-oil-150-mg-120-sgels

I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

[BMJ]

We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

[Sue (Ayt)]

We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.

[TomKat]

We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.

I was in Los Angeles, and I don't recall if they called it swine flu, but a LOT of people came down with a bad flu, myself included.

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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

The 2009 scare seemed more artificial than this one. In 2009 they were gearing up for it before it really started, as if they created it themselves or had some kind of heads up. This on seems to be rolling out more naturally.

[Baby Steps]

According to Peter Hurford as below it takes much more than five years to develop a vaccine for a new virus

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/8qMDseJTE3vCFiYec/how-long-does-it-take-to-research-and-develop-a-new-vaccine

However luckily the corona virus has already been patented and vaccines are in the pipeline so no need to worry unduly

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852



‘So let me get this straight about this virus

It’s “new” yet it was lab created and patented in 2015 (in development since 03’)

The patent expired (today) on the day the first case is announced in the US

The patent also tells us the CDC helped make this! “This invention was made by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an agency of the United States Government. Therefore, the U.S. Government has certain rights in this invention.”

And now magically a vaccine is in the works for it already? Yet the patent in 2015 already references a vaccine for it.

But what do I know I’m just a conspiracy theorist.

Chris kirckof.’

[DeeMetrios]

Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-oregano-oil-150-mg-120-sgels

I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

I take Collodial Silver daily & it may be more effective than Oregano ? .

[syrwong]

It seems no one answered the question correctly.

Tens of thousands of death from flu per year in the US is an inflated figure designed to have you vacinated. See
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/10/uh-about-those-80000-influenza-deaths/
At a press conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on September 27, 2018, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams, MD noted that 80,000 people in the U.S. died of influenza during the 2017-2018 season. “You all saw the story in the AP last night… 80,000 people dying from the flu or flu-related complications last year,” said Dr. Adams.2 3

Adams was referring to a report by the Associated Press regarding an interview it conducted with director of the CDC Robert Redfield, MD on September 25, 2018.4 In that interview, Dr. Redfield said, “I’d like to see more people get vaccinated. We lost 80,000 people last year to the flu.”4

According to the CDC, “These new estimates are record-breaking, and emphasize the seriousness and severity of flu illness and serve as a strong reminder of the importance of flu vaccination.”2

Predictably, the 80,000 figure has been picked up by the media far and wide.5 6 7 8 9 10 11

The headline in The New York Times article read, “Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years.” The subheading read, “Among the dead were 180 babies, children and teenagers, more than in any year since the CDC began tracking pediatric deaths.”12

Sensationalistic reporting. This would be understandable were the 80,000 figure accurate, but 80,000 people did not die of influenza in 2017-2018. That is an inflated figure which the CDC attained by combining the number of deaths caused by pneumonia, other respiratory illnesses and sepsis, along with those caused by lab confirmed type A or B influenza.13

Joseph Mercola, DO points out…

While [the 80,000 figure] sounds ominous, it’s worth remembering that what they’re counting as “flu deaths” are not just deaths directly caused by the influenza virus, but also secondary infections such as pneumonia and other respiratory diseases, as well as sepsis.14

Obviously, not all pneumonia deaths or deaths from other r


Tens of millions of people get the flu every year. The mortality rate of ordinary flu is about 0.02%, so it accounts for thousands of death by flu. The number of deaths from SARS was some 800, but if you check the figure for SARS, it is close to 20% mortality rate and over 50% for old people. This is a frighteningly high rate. I dont know why the misinformation that make people think that the coronavirus is not a big deal.

[pyrangello]

Food GONE from Stores in Wuhan as Quarantine Begins; Price Gouging and Robberies Rampant
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/food-gone-from-stores-in-wuhan-as-quarantine-begins-price-gouging-and-robberies-rampant

So here's my 2 cents, and thanks for everyone in the avalon family for chiming in from various views. When the bird flu was traveling around I read quite a bit of material on the web, One of my best friends is a surgeon of 30 years. I asked him about that and the correlation of the influenza of 1917. He's a great doc, but his response to me was so calm as he just said " Yeah every 100 years or so something comes around and wipes out a bunch of people". Last year I saw a documentary on the Influenza strain that swept the globe over a 2-3 year period , It was aggressive , it was deadly, one statistic that stuck in my head was just in the city of new york back then they had 11,000 deaths in month at its peak. Another friend of mine who is a retired new york policeman told me years ago his grandmother told him that during that time when so many were dying in the winter time they couldn't bury anyone so loved ones were wrapped in a blanket and set at the curb and the truck came by daily to pick up anyone that had passed away. Thats an epidemic in my opinion.

Now to this current virus, everyone's posts on vaccines are great, I remember the pig flu in 2009, I had a gal in my office with 3 kids, little ones. I seem to recall the vaccine was being distributed for free after 9 weeks, I thought to myself, hell there experimenting on us because it takes longer than that to establish a vaccine. Then I read some of the ingredients in the vaccine contained Caterpillar genes and canine genes.I'm not kidding, I know what I read. I do not have a source to link that to but thats when I sat down with my office gal and suggested to her not to get those little ones that shot. She didn't and there fine today. BTW why a virus has never been cured is because it changes so fast and never establishes itself long enough to make a vaccine for it- A virus wants to survive just like us.

Fast forward to today, oil of oregano, I'm a big fan, 7 eye drops to a gallon of water, you sip it daily until you get better, you will feel your chest heat up from sipping this. I mix it in hot tea, also boil it on the stove with vicks vapor rub and apple cider vinegar, my own concoction. Collidal silver, yep another fan. Vitamin D-3 too, Bill Ryan did a video presentation years ago with a gal from Europe, she suggested 5000 iu a day to replace 15 minutes of the sun a day. She also suggested I think 10,000 iu a day for a month first. The overdose rate on this is 1 million units in a day and it won't upset your stomach. and my favorite is putting vicks vapor rub on the bottom of your feet at night, absorbs big time.During the black plaque they walked around with raw garlic in their shoes to absorb that. Garlic-huge fan. Bill , can you post that link to that interview, was one of your best.

Now as far as this virus, its not that alot of people are dying, at least not now , I think there are 2 issues of concern, 1- is listed in this link I just provided , hospitals being overwhelmed with sick people, and I mean overwhelmed. Many people here in the states just think the hospital is a fix all for everything you have wrong with you. Some things you have to ride out and do as many things yourself, pumping liquids into you, chicken soup, teas, and stuff in the air and rest. 2- I feel the larger fear is this virus mutating with another to become very deadly, Remember a virus host wants to live at all costs, it changes, mutates and travels until it gets so aggressive it dies out, That 1917 influenza died out just as fast as it started after 3 years. It was quite bizarre how it just stopped and disappeared. There is also currently that deadly swine virus that is killing all the hogs/pigs thru out Asia along with many other strains. This is why I believe this now is being taken so seriously as what it could be, not so much as what it currently is. Thats my 2 cents. I'm not a doctor , I'm just a concerned citizen of this planet that reads quite a bit. If anyone has opposing views on this or comments please do, If I need to be corrected please do again, I wont be offended.

[pyrangello]

More info coming out

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-despite-lessons-from-sars-canadian-health-care-would-struggle-in-coronavirus-crisis?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579796013
Matt Gurney: What I learned from my SARS quarantine — we’re screwed if it happens again

https://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/coronavirus-nightmare-chinese-hospitals-are-turning-away-hordes-of-sick-people-because-there-is-no-room-for-them
Coronavirus Nightmare: Chinese Hospitals Are Turning Away Hordes Of Sick People Because There Is No Room For Them

http://allnewspipeline.com/Is_Coronavirus_A_Concern_Here_In_America.php
WITH MAJOR UPDATE! Coronavirus Patent Granted To Bill Gates Funded Institute In 2018 Gives More Credence To The Theory It Might Be A Bioweapon

[onawah]

Also see "Scientists Resume Efforts To Create Deadly Flu Virus, With US Government's Blessing" from March 2019
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2019/03/04/scientists-restart-research-on-creating-deadly-bird-flu-with-nihs-blessing/#5e2db7475edd
Also posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1332717&viewfull=1#post1332717

[The Moss Trooper]

A little from Jim Stone, and a little from myself.

Coronavirus

As of this morning, (Jan 23) total confirmed deaths worldwide are at 17. Don't believe the B.S. that is being spewed about massive death rates.
FACT: 17 deaths worldwide do not amount to enough to confirm any virus did anything, that's a number so low it is statistical chatter.

Top two rumors: China is freaking out, has quarantined two cities and is doing aerial spraying.

The other rumor: Wuhan, where the outbreak was supposedly started, has a level 4 bio lab which was doing research on the world's top pathogens.

I know this stuff is being said but am still calling bunk on this, once you get past hype and rumor, the numbers do not add up.

The main story line now is that it came from a snake, and that it escaped from a biolab, however, cows do to. And dogs, and cats and birds. Other stories are that it came from bat soup, because "Bats carry coronavirus". On the BBC main news last night, it stated that the outbreak was centred around a seafood market.

The bottom line is that someone needs a serious scare to get everyone to submit to a "vaccine", who could that be?

[ExomatrixTV]

Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World"
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Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World." 9 cities in China are now on lockdown due to the rapid spread of the Wuhan Virus. While this is likely not going to be that big of a deal China is taking it very seriously. Fears are escalating as the virus is spreading around the world. The US as well as many southeast asian countries were hit by a few cases of the Wuhan Virus but for the most part it does seem to be over hyped by media. One thing gaining attention online is the story from 2017 about a new Biolab in Wuhan and fears a pathogen could escape. There is no evidence to suggest that is the case but many people are concerned nonetheless that this coronavirus will have a devastating impact

[Bill Ryan]

Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World"
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Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World." 9 cities in China are now on lockdown due to the rapid spread of the Wuhan Virus. While this is likely not going to be that big of a deal China is taking it very seriously. Fears are escalating as the virus is spreading around the world. The US as well as many southeast asian countries were hit by a few cases of the Wuhan Virus but for the most part it does seem to be over hyped by media. One thing gaining attention online is the story from 2017 about a new Biolab in Wuhan and fears a pathogen could escape. There is no evidence to suggest that is the case but many people are concerned nonetheless that this coronavirus will have a devastating impact

Mod note from Bill:

John. Please listen. All you did was exactly copy the YouTube title (which we can see anyway), and then exactly copy the text. Nothing else. Not all your posts are like this, but 80% of them are.

What are your views about this?

Readers might find it more interesting to have an interactive discussion about the topic (of course, maybe citing some references), than just copying and pasting YouTube videos over and over again.

You see, people can find YouTube videos for themselves, if they want to. They can't so easily find John Kuhles. :) And John Kuhles might have some really interesting things of his own to say.

Don't let Timcast do all your thinking, or speaking, for you. He's very sensational, and might not always be right.

:focus:

[onawah]

I've been putting oregano essential oil in my essential oil diffuser every day, which is a great way to take it in for me, since I can't stand the taste of it, and taking it in capsule form makes me belch.
I blend about a half to a pound of fresh aloe vera gel in my morning smoothie every day, the variety that is used for consumption which comes in big leaves from 1 to about 3 lbs. each.
Great prevention--anti-fungal, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, unparalleled for treating inflammation, which is common to most chronic diseases, infections, etc. and is the cause of much discomfort.
In the US, you can buy it by the 25 lb box in most Mexican markets, or you can have organically grown leaves shipped from Aloe Labs in Harlingen Texas.
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When I told someone once about consistently using aloe as bacterial/viral infection prevention, she said," but doesn't that kill all your good probiotics?"
The answer is an emphatic "NO!"
Man-made antibiotics do that, one reason why taking aloe for prevention is so much better, and because it PREVENTS you from getting sick in the first place!





Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-oregano-oil-150-mg-120-sgels

I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

I take Collodial Silver daily & it may be more effective than Oregano ? .

[RunningDeer]

Bill, can you post that link to that interview, was one of your best.

Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3, with Bill Ryan (1 hour)




Bill Ryan from Project Camelot interviews Gabriele Stähler about Vitamin D3. This video contains the basics you need to know about how Vitamin D3 works in the body, how much to take when you want to supplement it for better health, and why it's important to know about as it is a natural antibiotic made in our bodies to protect us against viruses, bacteria and the most common illnesses (plagues?) of our time like cancer, diabetes, heart disease - etc. May the sun be with you!



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[James Newell]

The coronavirus is a patented depopulation weapon patented July 23 2015. Patent number 10130701 assigned to the Pirbright Institute. I am sure they will make good money from this. First you patent the virus than the vaccine.

https://www.infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/

[TomKat]

On Sky News they said that the virus came from Chinese gourmets eating a dish made from a bat or a snake.

[TEOTWAIKI]

It's difficult to know what's going on in China; perhaps fake news and larping, but ever since Warren posted his world-wide population change predictions, I've been watching the news closely for any signs of fullfillment and I'm sure I'm not the only one here doing this.

There's a rash (no pun intended) of disturbing news being splashed across social media right now and I couldn't help but think about Warren's thread.

For anybody that missed it:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102695-World-Wide-City-Population-Changes-by-End-of-2019

He revised his initially projected date from late 2019 to early 2020 and although we are a couple weeks past his projection...

O.K., no attacks, please, just saying what came to mind instead of posting outrageous youtube videos.

[pyrangello]

Good info from all perspectives, thanks running deer for the video. What's comforting from everyone here is this information levels the situation to a calm thoughtful process for all of us to digest. There are tons more stories out there. We just need to move forward one day at a time now. Thanks onawah for your oil of oregano app. Much appreciated.

[bluestflame]

when i first heard of this i was reminded of the phrase "china will catch a cold " ala anglo saxon mission , apparently Australia has been getting direct flights from the infected zone in China

[Mike Gorman]

We discovered quite a lot about the mechanics (and mathematics!) of epidemiology during the Swine Flu scare of 2009-10, and the later Ebola scare a few years ago. It's instructive to learn a little about how all this works.

The paradox with something dangerous and infectious is that (e.g.) if some super-virus is super-fatal and strikes people down within 24 hours, then it's NOT such a risk to become an epidemic. Because, coarsely put, it kills the carrier before they have a chance to spread it around.

What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

I recall that there was a reference to a manufactured virus which singles out Chinese people a few years ago - part of that long term project to wipe out a good portion of the global population. What if this virus is designed to carry off 'Boomers', pneumonia was often labelled the 'old man's friend' because it swiftly killed older people? There is a reference to THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE , patenting the virus: " 600 cases confirmed across nine different countries, It was patented by Jul 23, 2015 - THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject. This was deliberate to depopulize."
Are they warning us all that we can be eliminated if we do not cease & desist from our Populist ways?
Makes you think, or paranoid delusion do you think Bill?
Time to heed the very good advice of Henry Deacon to stock up your vitamin D3 levels, boost your immune systems.

[Mike Gorman]

Exactly! I mentioned that in my reply also.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I don't know if this has been debunked but back 30 - 40 years ago the theory was that the seasonal flu begins in the chicken farms in China. And that the CDC would obtain samples of the eggs lain in the region to develop their vaccine for that year's flu season.

Always struck me as odd that such a story would circulate. On the other hand I do not understand the reason for the flu, nor do I think they do either. It seems rather an odd way for either the flu virus or our immune systems to have evolved naturally because as a survival strategy, it stinks for the bug, and as defense mechanism its pretty sloppy as a function. I rarely get the flu any more since I decided it wasn't natural and easily thwarted.

Too early to tell, but...this is the age of sensationalism...so my bet is on this being way overblown.

[pueblo]

At the 5:30min mark Bill describes a scenario which is a scary fit for the current Chinese Coronavirus outbreak.....hmmmmm

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[Sarah Rainsong]

Sooo... first post here, so nice to meet y'all! :handshake: I wanted to toss something out that I haven't seen talked about much. As an herbalist and a mother, colds and bugs are something I've particularly studied and prepped for.

Viruses and bacteria are older than any living organism on Earth. They adapt extremely well and they have learned how to resist modern medicine and thrive in our world. Now, that's probably not news to anyone here. It's also not news that based on historic cycles, we're due for a pandemic. But there are two things that I'd like to pull out of this:

First, while there may be those pushing for population control via vaccines and bio-weaponry, I seriously doubt the majority of doctors working at the CDC or WHO are knowingly part of that. In fact, I think many of them DO think about the side-effects of vaccines, but their alternatives are very grim.

Doctors know the limitations of modern medicine more than anyone; they're faced with it everyday. So when something new comes along, I think many of them particularly here in the west, tend to panic. They can't even handle the flu, which strikes every year! When something really bad comes along, there is nothing they can do. Their medicines won't work. The best they can hope for is that vaccines will.

For the most part, doctors (here in the US, at least) have been trained to disregard natural or herbal remedies as nothing but snake oil. So when doctors push for vaccines, I believe it's because they are afraid. Most of them are sincerely trying to save lives, not cull the population.

Second, and the biggest point I want to make, is actually about the viruses and bacteria themselves. The way we have lived our lives, the way modern medicine has done its work, and the way our food supply has been the past 100-or-so years has been putting these little micro-organisms through boot camp. That's what they do. They adapt. They mutate. And now, they've emerged as super-soldiers: highly trained and heavily armed even against natural remedies.

Even with herbal and natural remedies, you're going to have to fight these emerging diseases longer and harder. You'll have to jump on it quick, and keep after it until it's gone. You need to be prepared to wage war against super-soldiers.

(And as an aside, you need to gather your allies in advance, aka healthy bacteria!)

[onawah]

From the maniacal manner in which vaccines are being pushed in spite of inherent and blatantly deadly dangers, my feeling is that the big virus scares and the massive amount of misinformation that has been spread about viruses (see articles following from Jon Rappaport, who is a reliable source and has been researching all this for a long time), my feeling is that part of population culling agenda's modus operandi is to create a lot of fear of viruses in order to persuade people to keep getting their flu shots, which in comparison are much more deadly, though it may take a while before the vaccines (live viruses, toxic adjuvants, fetal tissues, etc.) sicken and kill.

Man who pushed SARS dud now pushing new Chinese virus
Jan 24 2020
by Jon Rappoport
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/24/man-who-pushed-sars-dud-now-pushing-new-chinese-virus/

"First, a few updates. Things are moving fast.

The Chinese government has locked down Wuhan, a city of 11 million people, owing to the “threat of the coronavirus.” There are also travel restrictions in several other Chinese cities. What does all this prove?

Answer: Nothing.

It proves the Chinese government wants to install tighter controls. It doesn’t lead to the conclusion that a coronavirus is making people sick or killing them.

During the so-called Zika Virus crisis of 2016, women in several countries were told not to get pregnant, because the virus might cause brain damage in their babies. That was a form of lockdown, too. If it were instituted for good reason, we would now be seeing massive numbers of babies all over the world born with microcephaly (smaller heads and brain damage), as the virus spreads. We aren’t seeing that. I covered the Zika story extensively, and proved it was a scientific fraud. A dud.

The measures government authorities enact do not constitute proof of a harmful virus. Otherwise, presidents and kings could write science all day long simply by issuing orders.

We are now seeing photos of “people lying in the street” in Wuhan, and perhaps other Chinese cities, so-called victims of the coronavirus. What does this prove?

Answer: Nothing.

So far, I’ve seen pictures of four or five people lying in the street or on a hospital floor. In a city of 11 million people. If this, all by itself, were proof that a new coronavirus is a killer, then Los Angeles and New York—with their homeless street populations—would have no people left.

The text of a patent for a coronavirus is circulating wide and far on the Web. What does this prove?

Answer: Nothing.

Patents for many viruses are obtained all the time. More specifically, these patents discuss ways of weakening viruses or extracting material from them for the purposes of developing vaccines. I’ve read excerpts from two different coronavirus patents, one in the US and one in the UK. They both refer to vaccine development. They aren’t, as some people assume, slam-dunk evidence that researchers are cooking up a virus in a lab or weaponizing it.

Well, here is a comforting development. The Chinese researcher, Zhong Nanshan, who “discovered the SARS virus” in 2003, is now at the forefront of pronouncements about the “new coronavirus” that is shaking up China and other parts of the world.

His mere presence on the scene is a warning sign: take a grain of salt, try a pound.

Zhong Nanshan’s 2003 SARS “pandemic” was a dud. A WHO (World Health Organization) advisory against traveling to “infected” Toronto cost merchants in the city several billion dollars. Meanwhile, a Canadian WHO biologist, Frank Plummer, told the press he was shocked by the fact that fewer and fewer SARS patients had the virus in their bodies. Actually, “fewer and fewer,” he said, was approaching ZERO. Hoax. THE PURPORTED CAUSE OF THE DISEASE WASN’T THERE. People had ordinary flu symptoms.

What do you do when this sort of embarrassment occurs? Do you confess the whole business was a mistake or a con or a hustle? Do you own up to the fact that, when people are said to be suffering from ordinary flu symptoms, and you’re calling it a new disease with a new cause, you’re wrong and you’re very, very, very sorry? Do you point out that people who don’t have the cause of a new disease in their bodies don’t have the new disease?

Of course not. You just move ahead and pray no one notices.

When you claim the grand death total from the SARS “epidemic,” worldwide, is 800 out of seven billion, and you can’t even prove those 800 died from the “SARS virus,” do you, the World Health Organization, admit your whole program of epidemic detection is a fraud? Do you pay Toronto several billion dollars for their troubles?

Of course not. You keep calling SARS an epidemic forever. You write fake histories. You do whatever is necessary to maintain your phony reputation.

And when a new possible-maybe-could-be virus surfaces in China, now, you bring the same researcher who “discovered SARS” out of mothballs, and you put him front and center.

Here’s the capper. Read carefully. The World Health Organization claims that, every year, there are between three and five million cases of ordinary run-of-the-mill flu in the world, resulting in 290,000 to 650,000 deaths. The symptoms are indistinguishable from SARS. But for some reason, they don’t declare ordinary flu an ongoing epidemic. No, they choose SARS, for which the cause is absent—and they call THAT an epidemic. It caused 800 deaths, versus 290,000-650,000 deaths.

Does this make any kind of sense? Actually, it does, if they want to: increase control over the population; condition them to expect and pray for a (watch-out TOXIC) vaccine to save them; shoot up pharmaceutical profits; scare the pants off people; induce them to willingly accept greater surveillance wherever they go; step up police and military presence; enact quarantines; hypnotize populations with the idea that they’re lifelong patients under the supervision of the medical cartel; teach “safety and security” above freedom.

Just realize how right and good and true THE AUTHORITIES are, get down on your knees and thank your lucky stars they’re here protecting the health of everyone on the planet. They’re the Church of Biological Mysticism, and they want you as a devoted member.

Amen."

Also see: China virus epidemic—the Gong Show on roller skates
Jan 23 2020
by Jon Rappoport
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/23/china-virus-epidemic-the-gong-show-on-roller-skates/

"You automatically believe this Chinese coronavirus is a killer? You automatically believe the press when they ratchet up the fear? You automatically believe medical experts have found a virus and proved it’s causing human illness?

You’re on the Gong Show on roller skates.

Congratulations.

The Chinese government has now shut down transportation in the huge city of Wuhan, where the supposedly deadly coronavirus first surfaced a few months ago. Where? At an open air fish and meat market. Anyone looking into contaminated flesh at the market? Dangerous lack of sanitation? They’re looking into “the virus.” Naturally. And as I keep saying in past and recent articles, we have a massive tradition of FAKE EPIDEMICS.

You have to understand: most people don’t want to hear this. It’s rather astonishing. Most people feel compelled to believe in the virus, believe it’s dangerous, it’s a killer, it’s real, it’s a global threat. Pro-vaccine people, anti-vaccine people, it doesn’t matter. They salute THE VIRUS.

In my last article, I detailed how former “epidemics,” SARS (coronavirus) and Swine Flu, turned out to be complete fakes. Eventually, it leaked out that medical experts couldn’t find the virus in people. You should really read that article, and read it again. And think about the implications.

Medical research honchos and the press are still calling the 2003 SARS dud an epidemic. Official stats indicate 800 people died, worldwide. If that’s an epidemic, there are pink tigers walking around on the far side of the moon.

Now, when they talk about rushing a vaccine into production “against the virus,” that’s a whole different story. They tried that in 2009 with Swine Flu, and it caused profound and horrific results. I’ve read the patent info that’s now circulating on the Web—for a vaccine against a coronavirus. It’s hard to tell, but it could be a DNA vaccine. If it is, that means the vaccine will permanently alter the genetic makeup of anyone who takes the shot.

Here’s something else you should think about. The so-called origin points of epidemics. SARS (2003), the Amoy Gardens apartment complex in Hong Kong. Swine Flu (2009), a giant commercial pig farm in La Gloria, Mexico. And now, in 2020, the Chinese coronavirus, an open air animal and fish market in Wuhan.

At the Amy Gardens complex, there were leaks in the pipes. Human waste was leaking. People were falling ill. My, what a surprise. They needed to call in a plumber, not the World Health Organization virus hunters.

At the pig farm, in La Gloria, huge feces lagoons, yes, were lying there out in the sun. The lagoons were routinely sprayed with toxic chemicals. Workers were falling ill. What a shock. So they brought in people to spray even more toxic chemicals on the pig **** lagoons. They needed a major environmental clean-up. Instead, they got World Health and CDC virus hunters.

And now, in Wuhan, the virus hunters are at it again. They want to test the animal flesh at the market for viruses. Here are a few recommendations. Check the water supply in the market. Is it dirty? Check the refrigeration. Are the fish and animal meat always fresh? Is the place clean? Is it washed down well every day? Actually LOOK at the premises. I know, it’s a revolutionary act, but steel yourself and go ahead.

“Yes, but what about the other cases of the China coronavirus that have been identified in other countries? Where did they come from?”

Answer: How do you know these other cases are a result of the coronavirus? The symptoms in most of these fake epidemics are the same—they’re basic flu symptoms—fatigue, fever, cough, weakness. A person could come down with THAT for a hundred different reasons.

I started writing about viruses that were never proved to cause human illness—or weren’t even there to begin with—in 1987. All these years later, I find myself still doing it. Why?

BECAUSE ‘THE VIRUS’ IS THE GREATEST COVER STORY ON THE PLANET. IT ATTRACTS BELIEVERS FROM WALL TO WALL.

Professionals invoke it to cover up a multitude of crimes.

For example, in parts of Africa, where the water supplies are contaminated to the hilt, where people are hungry and dying of starvation, where people have chronic diarrhea and are dying from dehydration, where extreme poverty and war for economic gain are routine, where corporate interests are stealing farm land from the people and poisoning the environment, where toxic medical drugs and vaccines are killing people whose immune systems are already compromised—you can ignore all that because…the real problem, the one serious problem, you see, is:

THE VIRUS.

Sure. Pump up that story to the max, get medical testimony, research money, the whole insane apparatus, and paint over what is actually happening there, and you’re in. You’re in control. You’re king.

Believe in the virus. Pray to the virus. Fear the virus.

—Here is a backgrounder I wrote some time ago that will add clarity on fake virus epidemic operations:

The big one: how environmental killing becomes a medical disease

The giant pig farm disaster: a medical hoax and cover story

The full truth has never been told—until now.

by Jon Rappoport

January 18, 2017

“To handle all that [pig-farm feces] waste, farmers in North Carolina use a standard practice called the lagoon and spray field system. They flush feces and urine from barns into open-air pits called lagoons, which turn the color of Pepto-Bismol when pink-colored bacteria colonize the waste. To keep the lagoons from overflowing, farmers spray liquid manure on their fields nearby. The result, says Steve Wing, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, is this: ‘The eastern part of North Carolina is covered with ****’.” —National Geographic, 10/30/14

The above quote describes corporate pig farming around the world.

In order to carry out this operation, giant companies like Smithfield have influenced legislators and government-agency officials. Environmental laws and regulations are ignored, or changed. Lawsuits are fought, hammer and tongs.

Here is what Robert F Kennedy Jr. told radio interviewer, Rachel Lewis Hilburn on 6/3/16:

“…a hog produces ten times the amount of fecal waste by weight as a human being, so if you have a facility that has ten thousand hogs in it, it’s producing as much sewage as a city of a hundred thousand people. Smithfield has one plant in Utah—they call it Circle Four Farms—that has a million hogs on it, so it’s producing the same amount of waste as New York City every day.”

Here is Kennedy’s kicker:

“There’s no difference between hog waste and human waste in terms of its danger to human health. They [Smithfield and other giant corporate pig operations] ought to have to have a sewage treatment plant that cleans it up. And yet, if they had to build that sewage treatment plan, it would drive the price of hogs up so that they could no longer function in the marketplace… they ought to have to build sewage treatment facilities but nobody’s making them do that because they have used political clout…”

All right, that’s a bit of background. Now I’m going to shift to the subject of Swine Flu, the phony epidemic of 2009.

Where did it start?

At a Smithfield pig-raising operation in Perote, Mexico; in a village called La Gloria. Smithfield raises 950,000 hogs a year there.

Press reports described outdoor “pig feces lagoons” on the property. When workers began to get sick, the area was sprayed with unknown chemicals. More workers fell ill and died.

Anyone with a basic knowledge of public health could testify that this combination of mind-boggling (non-) sanitation, plus strong germicides, plus other toxic chemicals routinely dumped in the feces lagoons, could and would cause human disease.

In fact, it doesn’t matter which particular germs are present in the mix.

People at the CDC had to be well aware of this. Yet, in 2009, their choice was to rush researchers to the Smithfield operation in La Gloria, Mexico, armed with the unfounded assumption that some novel virus, never before seen, was the culprit, and their job was to take blood samples and discover what the new germ was.

Why? Why assume, when workers who operate in that kind of environment get sick, there is some new disease at work? The symptoms of the workers were not unusual, given the circumstances.

Workers dying in that vat of filth and chemical soup should be expected.

But, up front, based on no evidence, the CDC on-site team was going for a new germ and a new disease, and that’s what they announced they had found. A gullible world, fed by press reports, bought in.

And that’s how the fake epidemic called Swine Flu was launched.

All the focus that could have centered on the highly toxic Smithfield pig operation in La Gloria was diverted.

Diverted to a virus.

H1N1 it was called. The Swine Flu virus.

Suddenly, it was a medical problem. Not an environmental disaster.

It was RE-INVENTED as a medical problem.

If you don’t yet get what I’m pointing out here, imagine this:

You’re living in an old sewage tunnel under a city. You’re surrounded by human excrement and biting insects and fetid waste water and foul air—and when you fall ill, you suddenly see virus-hunting researchers, not haz-mat rescue workers, approach you and take blood samples. Are they crazy?

No, they’re just doing what their bosses tell them to do. Because the CDC is fronting for, and protecting, major corporate agricultural criminals. Because your illness has to be shifted over to a “new disease and a new virus.”

On top of all this, the virus that these “researchers” do find, which, by the way, is in no way proven to cause disease, can be found all over the world. Why? Because it’s been around for a long, long time, and it has never caused any dire condition at all.

This is how the game works.

This is the medical hoax.

In the case of Swine Flu, it gets worse. It turns out that the virus is not so prevalent after all. That is why, in the early autumn of 2009, CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson discovered that the CDC, ignoring its mandate and charter, had secretly stopped counting Swine Flu cases in America. You see, the overwhelming percentage of blood samples taken from the most likely Swine Flu patients, when sent to labs for testing, were coming back with no trace of the so-called Swine Flu virus or any other flu virus. CBS put Attkisson’s published report on the shelf and never followed up on it.

Again, the virus as the cause of illness, was the cover story. Intelligence agencies float cover stories on a regular basis. It’s no accident that CDC has a large unit of virus hunters called the Epidemic Intelligence Service.

Right off the top, I can tell you they create disinformation on a scale that must make the CIA jealous.

Graduates of this EIS program, as proudly stated by the CDC, have gone on to occupy key positions in the overall medical cartel: Surgeons General; CDC directors; medical school deans and professors; medical foundation executives; drug-company and insurance executives; state health officials; medical editors and reporters in major media outlets.

It’s a loyal insider’s club. They collaborate to float prime-cut, A-number-one cover stories of extraordinary dimensions. They invent medical reality out of thin air.

Here is a brief excerpt from the CDC’s website, “50 Years of the Epidemic Intelligence Service”:

“In 1951, EIS was established by CDC following the start of the Korean War as an early-warning system against biologic warfare and man-made epidemics. EIS officers selected for 2-year field assignments were primarily medical doctors and other health professionals…who focused on infectious disease outbreaks. EIS has expanded to include a range of public health professionals, such as postdoctoral scientists in statistics, epidemiology, microbiology, anthropology, sociology, and behavioral sciences. Since 1951, approximately 2500 EIS officers have responded to requests for epidemiologic assistance within the United States and throughout the world. Each year, EIS officers are involved in several hundred investigations of disease and injury problems, enabling CDC and its public health partners to make recommendations to improve the public’s health and safety.”

Several hundred investigations a year. An unparalleled opportunity to shape the truth into propaganda. Control of information about disease. Control out in the field, where EIS agents rush to the scene of “outbreaks,” all the way back through the hallowed halls of academia, into the press, into Big Pharma, into the government.

When I say control of information, I mean disinformation. That’s what the EIS is for. They’ve never met a virus they didn’t love, and if they couldn’t find one, they pretended they did.

They front for the medical cartel. And they provide cover for the crimes of mega-corporations. There’s a town where poverty-stricken people are dying, because horrendous pesticides are running into the water supply and soil? No, it’s a virus. There’s a hotel where the plumbing is broken and human waste is getting into all the bathrooms, and they want this hotel to be the epicenter of a new epidemic? No, it isn’t the plumbing, it’s a novel virus never seen before by man. There’s a section of a city where the industrial pollution is driving people over the edge into immune-system failure? No, it’s a virus.

And here’s the capper. Their propaganda is so good most of the EIS people believe it themselves. You don’t achieve that kind of robotic servitude without intense brainwashing. The first installment of the mind-control program is called medical school.

Psy-op and propaganda begin with the virus hunters of the EIS. They control and own the chokepoint of disease research. They blow up their scanty findings into ex-cathedra pronouncements.

And of course, this strengthens the vaccine establishment because, for every virus, there must be a vaccine: the shot in the arm, loaded with toxic chemicals and a variety of germs.

The EIS. The CDC’s band of brothers. The medical CIA.

“Show me vast pig-feces lagoons, and I’ll show you a virus you’ve never heard of before. I’ll protect corporate criminals from here to the moon." "

[TomKat]

I don't know if this has been debunked but back 30 - 40 years ago the theory was that the seasonal flu begins in the chicken farms in China. And that the CDC would obtain samples of the eggs lain in the region to develop their vaccine for that year's flu season.

Always struck me as odd that such a story would circulate. On the other hand I do not understand the reason for the flu, nor do I think they do either. It seems rather an odd way for either the flu virus or our immune systems to have evolved naturally because as a survival strategy, it stinks for the bug, and as defense mechanism its pretty sloppy as a function. I rarely get the flu any more since I decided it wasn't natural and easily thwarted.

Too early to tell, but...this is the age of sensationalism...so my bet is on this being way overblown.

Douglas Dietrich supposedly had access to US Dept of Defense documents before burning them under orders. I think he said that the deadly 1917 flu of WW1 was created by the US Army. The found a bunch of sick chickens and forced some prisoners to live among them until they got sick. Then they shipped the prisoners off to Europe.

[AutumnW]

I heard from highly credible sources that George Soros raised wild bats in his highrise penthouse near Wuhan. The project was funded by the Clinton foundation with Rothschild money. Someone who looked a lot like Soros was seen at the market selling live bats. I believe it.

(not serious!):sun::dog::dog::dog:

[AutumnW]

The closest known relatives of Wuhan are MERS (35% fatality rate) and Sars (10% fatality rate) MERS had such a high kill rate it was limited in its ability to spread. SARS could have been a disaster had it not been stopped. The Wuhan virus, so far, has a kill rate of 14% of hospitalized patients. It is thought it's actual fatality rate will be similar to but higher than Spanish flu. Spanish flu killed 40 million globally and killed young healthy people disproportionately.

It's assumed that the Spanish flu created a cascading immune reaction among those with the strongest immune systems and the immune reaction was responsible for the deaths. That is one theory.There are a few. But if that one's correct, and Wuhan turns out to be similar, it is hugely problematic. It will take out the working class and leave the old, very young and infirm alive.

The Chinese government is behaving incredibly conscientiously.

[Delight]

I don't know what I think about some of Mike Adams conclusions. Also we have seen so many claims that the pandemic is HERE. Main thing is immune system support anyway.


BREAKING: Coronavirus a stealth strain that can be carried by people who show NO fever or coughing symptoms… detection almost impossible under current government guidelines
Friday, January 24, 2020 by: Mike Adams (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-24-coronavirus-stealth-strain-carried-by-people-who-show-no-fever-symptoms.html)

Coronavirus is spreading among people who show non-respiratory symptoms. This means detection of the carriers of the virus is going to be extremely difficult, given that nearly all health officials around the world are looking for respiratory symptoms such as coughing, sneezing and breathing difficulties.

Some carriers of this rapidly spreading strain of coronavirus show no fever and no coughing, but instead are exhibiting symptoms of diarrhea, vomiting and chest pains.

“Thus far, official guidance on the symptoms of the Wuhan virus has been limited to fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath,” reports The Epoch Times:

However, according to local media a report by doctors and experts from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University on Friday noted the appearance of initial symptoms not related to the respiratory system.

It said that many patients who contracted the virus did not have a fever. Therefore simply taking the temperatures of passengers at transport hubs is not enough to screen for the virus.

Three confirmed cases in the USA, total secrecy about which hospitals have the patients
Human-to-human transmission of this novel coronavirus has already been confirmed, and according to multiple sources, there are now three confirmed cases in the United States.

As we expected, the CDC and local health officials are refusing to release the names of the hospitals in which these coronavirus-infected patients are being treated and quarantined.

The secrecy has begun.

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization so far refuses to declare this a global pandemic, even as they were rapidly declaring faked, hoax pandemics in years past, such as the “Zika virus” hoax.

What Americans need to know is that this coronavirus situation is far worse than what’s being reported by the controlled media, and that carriers are going to slip past even the best detection methods, because those methods are all based on looking for fevers and respiratory problems.

Stay tuned. More updates coming soon.
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Source: https://brighteon.com/0aaf4243-1dfe-47e9-9c56-32232a96cdfc

[James Newell]

Re the coronavirus Here is an up to date map on it. China has about 940 confirmed cases. It could well be more than just another flu.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[AutumnW]

I don't know what I think about some of Mike Adams conclusions. Also we have seen so many claims that the pandemic is HERE. Main thing is immune system support anyway.


BREAKING: Coronavirus a stealth strain that can be carried by people who show NO fever or coughing symptoms… detection almost impossible under current government guidelines
Friday, January 24, 2020 by: Mike Adams (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-24-coronavirus-stealth-strain-carried-by-people-who-show-no-fever-symptoms.html)

Coronavirus is spreading among people who show non-respiratory symptoms. This means detection of the carriers of the virus is going to be extremely difficult, given that nearly all health officials around the world are looking for respiratory symptoms such as coughing, sneezing and breathing difficulties.

Some carriers of this rapidly spreading strain of coronavirus show no fever and no coughing, but instead are exhibiting symptoms of diarrhea, vomiting and chest pains.

“Thus far, official guidance on the symptoms of the Wuhan virus has been limited to fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath,” reports The Epoch Times:

However, according to local media a report by doctors and experts from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University on Friday noted the appearance of initial symptoms not related to the respiratory system.

It said that many patients who contracted the virus did not have a fever. Therefore simply taking the temperatures of passengers at transport hubs is not enough to screen for the virus.

Three confirmed cases in the USA, total secrecy about which hospitals have the patients
Human-to-human transmission of this novel coronavirus has already been confirmed, and according to multiple sources, there are now three confirmed cases in the United States.

As we expected, the CDC and local health officials are refusing to release the names of the hospitals in which these coronavirus-infected patients are being treated and quarantined.

The secrecy has begun.

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization so far refuses to declare this a global pandemic, even as they were rapidly declaring faked, hoax pandemics in years past, such as the “Zika virus” hoax.

What Americans need to know is that this coronavirus situation is far worse than what’s being reported by the controlled media, and that carriers are going to slip past even the best detection methods, because those methods are all based on looking for fevers and respiratory problems.

Stay tuned. More updates coming soon.

Immune system support isn't going to do a thing for you in a major epidemic. That's like suggesting taking echinacea will protect you from a steamroller, if you stand in the middle of the street. If this virus is novel enough to you, your immune system won't know wtf hit it. Granted some people have exceptional constituions that can defeat darned near anything, even if they eat nothing buy high fructose corn syrup, twinkies and pop tarts. Most of us, however, will get sick in varying degrees, upon exposure.

[AutumnW]

Re the coronavirus Here is an up to date map on it. China has about 940 confirmed cases. It could well be more than just another flu.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

And those are just the confirmed cases. The Chinese are acting like there many many more known cases. I don't blame them. If they didn't lie, they could be facing the twin epidemic of hysteria and panic.

[syrwong]

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization so far refuses to declare this a global pandemic, even as they were rapidly declaring faked, hoax pandemics in years past, such as the “Zika virus” hoax.

One possible reason for downplaying the virus is that it is racially targeted on the Chinese. There is no need to raise alarm for the world. If the great sufferings and the details are not reported, no graphic videos and no interviews, a billion Chinese death is merely a figure. Genocides can be carried out step by step, race by race, country by country with some stealth.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting take on this by Mel

"Wuhan was the province where 5G was rolled out, now the center of a deadly virus. What are the odds that the province in China that first rolled out the use of 5G networks and technology is now the center of a deadly virus where people are dropping dead on the streets. What if the deaths are not a virus but a cellular degradation caused by 5G that mimics the effects of a virus."

Mel Fabrigaz

Viking

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting take on this by Mel

"Wuhan was the province where 5G was rolled out, now the center of a deadly virus. What are the odds that the province in China that first rolled out the use of 5G networks and technology is now the center of a deadly virus where people are dropping dead on the streets. What if the deaths are not a virus but a cellular degradation caused by 5G that mimics the effects of a virus."

Mel Fabregas

VikingExtremely unlikely. But a contributory factor might be that some people's immune systems had been critically compromised and weakened — by all kinds of factors: 5G 'electrosmog', poor diet, poor lifestyle, other toxins in the environment, etc etc. Those are all heavy straws piled on the camels' backs.

[Delight]

Immune system support isn't going to do a thing for you in a major epidemic. That's like suggesting taking echinacea will protect you from a steamroller, if you stand in the middle of the street. If this virus is novel enough to you, your immune system won't know wtf hit it. Granted some people have exceptional constituions that can defeat darned near anything, even if they eat nothing buy high fructose corn syrup, twinkies and pop tarts. Most of us, however, will get sick in varying degrees, upon exposure.

I am really surprised by the strong response people are having to this new viral outbreak.

My expectation is that with other past episodes, time will move on as will the social outbreak of concern. the Chinese issues and the quarantine may be for other reasons/motives we do not know?

At any rate, the more we understand about the human body, the better. Also, the understanding of clinical treatment of viral infections is empowering. I like Alex Vasquez (https://www.inflammationmastery.com/antiviral) ability to communicate the information concerning the basics of viral infection.

To stay rested and decrease stress is not a small feat. I practice an alliance with the zero point source through meditation and I am feeling a field of strength that is available when anyone turns in. Best wishes!

[onawah]

New China virus, Swine Flu hoax, history matters
Jan 25 2020
by Jon Rappoport
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/25/new-china-virus-swine-flu-hoax-history-matters/

( I was encouraged to see that another Avalonian has a lot of respect for Rappaport. See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1332993&viewfull=1#post1332993 ...While it doesn't appear that the information I've posted on this thread is getting much notice at all. In any case, Jon is a great whistleblower and has been for a long time. Vaccines and flu viruses have been the subjects of a lot of his research, and he understands the connection very well.)

"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but…history matters.

When you see a new story on the horizon, and it looks a lot like an old story you know was a hoax, you have to dig up that history and report it.

Yes, many people hate history. It tends to stretch their attention spans, which are rooted in the present, where the action is: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram—little crumbs of NOW and NOW and NOW.

Oh well. Here we go, back into the Dark Age of 2009, an ancient time.

What was happening then? There was a grim pandemic spreading like an angry cloud over the world, threatening to kill millions of people. Sound familiar? Sound like China right now? It was called Swine Flu.

Just like now, the 2009 announcements were coming out of the World Health Organization and the CDC; the germ was a virus; it was spreading; travelers were carrying it; people were being tested at airports; the source of the germ seemed to be animal-to-human transmission; deaths were being reported; fear was rising. People were saying, THIS IS THE BIG ONE. Other people were saying: THIS IS A WEAPONIZED VIRUS ALTERED IN A BIOWAR LAB. Just like now.

So here is what I wrote about the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic in its aftermath—I hope you can shake off the idea that the following facts are IMPOSSIBLE, “THE AUTHORITIES WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THAT,” IT COULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED. The following facts are possible and true, the authorities did do that, and it did happen:

In the late summer of 2009, the Swine Flu epidemic was hyped to the sky by the CDC [and the World Health Organization]. The CDC was calling for all Americans to take the Swine Flu vaccine.

The problem was, the CDC was concealing a scandal.

At the time, star CBS investigative reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, was working on a Swine Flu story. She discovered that the CDC had secretly stopped counting US cases of the illness—while, of course, continuing to warn Americans about its unchecked spread.

Understand that the CDC’s main job is counting cases and reporting the numbers.

What was the Agency up to?

Here is an excerpt from my 2014 interview with Sharyl Attkisson:

Rappoport: In 2009, you spearheaded coverage of the so-called Swine Flu pandemic. You discovered that, in the summer of 2009, the Centers for Disease Control, ignoring their federal mandate, [secretly] stopped counting Swine Flu cases in America. Yet they continued to stir up fear about the “pandemic,” without having any real measure of its impact. Wasn’t that another investigation of yours that was shut down? Wasn’t there more to find out?

Attkisson: The implications of the story were even worse than that. We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all! The interest in the story from one [CBS] executive was very enthusiastic. He said it was “the most original story” he’d seen on the whole Swine Flu epidemic. But others pushed to stop it [after it was published on the CBS News website] and, in the end, no [CBS television news] broadcast wanted to touch it. We aired numerous stories pumping up the idea of an epidemic, but not the one that would shed original, new light on all the hype. It [Attkisson’s article] was fair, accurate, legally approved and a heck of a story. With the CDC keeping the true Swine Flu stats secret, it meant that many in the public took and gave their children an experimental vaccine that may not have been necessary.

—end of interview excerpt—

It was routine for doctors all over America to send blood samples from patients they’d diagnosed with Swine Flu, or the “most likely” Swine Flu patients, to labs for testing. And overwhelmingly, those samples were coming back with the result: not Swine Flu, not any kind of flu.

That was the big secret. That’s what the CDC was hiding. That’s why they stopped reporting Swine Flu case numbers. That’s what Attkisson had discovered. That’s why she was shut down.

But it gets even worse.

Because about three weeks after Attkisson’s findings were published on the CBS News website, the CDC, obviously in a panic, decided to double down. If one lie is exposed, tell an even bigger one. A much bigger one.

Here, from a November 12, 2009, WebMD article is the CDC’s response: “Shockingly, 14 million to 34 million U.S. residents — the CDC’s best guess is 22 million — came down with H1N1 swine flu by Oct. 17 [2009].” (“22 million cases of Swine Flu in US,” by Daniel J. DeNoon).

Are your eyeballs popping? They should be.

In the summer of 2009, the CDC secretly stops counting Swine Flu cases in America, because the overwhelming percentage of lab tests from likely Swine Flu patients shows no sign of Swine Flu or any other kind of flu.

There is no Swine Flu epidemic.

Then, the CDC estimates there are 22 MILLION cases of Swine Flu in the US.

So…the premise that the CDC would never lie about important matters like, oh, a vaccine causing autism…you can lay that one to rest.

The CDC will lie about anything it wants to. It will boldly go where no person interested in real science will go.

—That’s what I wrote about the Swine Flu fraud years ago.

I reprint it here to give people some perspective on what health agencies like the CDC and the World Health Organization will do to pump up the idea (not the reality) of an epidemic.

Now, if you don’t mind, I’ll blow my own horn a little. After the mind-blowing revelations Sharyl Attkisson exposed in print, in 2009, about the Swine Flu hoax, how many other reporters understood the implications and followed up by writing their own stories and pressing home the astonishing hoax? How many interviewed Attkisson and hammered on her findings and spread the facts far and wide? How many went all-out to emphasize the outrageous guilt of the CDC on this scandal?

Most reporters, when an epidemic is announced, take the bait. Automatically. They fall for the con and the hustle like rookies going to Vegas for the first time, thinking they’re going to score at the betting tables. They make the crucial mistake of believing that some virus has really been discovered, and it is about to wreak havoc in the population.

A new virus story always sounds good. It will have legs. People will want to know about it. Some reporters—blithely accepting the existence and dire impact of a virus—will take that ball and run with it into new territory: “the virus was created in a lab.” They don’t stop and consider the possibility (confirmed by history) that the hoax goes all the way to the bottom—no virus was actually discovered, or if it was, there is a zero proof that it’s harmful. They miss that vital step.

There is more to discuss along this line—and I have, in print. It involves asking the questions, “How do researchers actually isolate a new virus and identify it?” and, “What are the correct standards for proving a particular germ causes a particular disease?” When you ask those questions and pursue the answers, you find yourself wading hip-deep in a swamp. The garbage floating around you is formidable. Everybody and his brother in the official medical community has answers, and most of them turn out to be self-serving propaganda, not science. It’s as if you’re hearing: THE WAY TO ISOLATE A VIRUS AND PROVE IT CAUSES A PARTICULAR DISEASE IS THE WAY WE SAID WE DID IT. NOW DON’T BOTHER US ANYMORE.

But it turns out that bothering is good. Necessary."

[bobme]

Immune system support isn't going to do a thing for you in a major epidemic. That's like suggesting taking echinacea will protect you from a steamroller, if you stand in the middle of the street. If this virus is novel enough to you, your immune system won't know wtf hit it. Granted some people have exceptional constituions that can defeat darned near anything, even if they eat nothing buy high fructose corn syrup, twinkies and pop tarts. Most of us, however, will get sick in varying degrees, upon exposure.

I am really surprised by the strong response people are having to this new viral outbreak.

My expectation is that with other past episodes, time will move on as will the social outbreak of concern. the Chinese issues and the quarantine may be for other reasons/motives we do not know?

At any rate, the more we understand about the human body, the better. Also, the understanding of clinical treatment of viral infections is empowering. I like Alex Vasquez (https://www.inflammationmastery.com/antiviral) ability to communicate the information concerning the basics of viral infection.

To stay rested and decrease stress is not a small feat. I practice an alliance with the zero point source through meditation and I am feeling a field of strength that is available when anyone turns in. Best wishes!

I agree.

many where I live are afraid of this virous. And are getting the flu shot.

Not me.

Much info here. Thank s all.:sun:

[Bill Ryan]

Dane Wigington (geoengineeringwatch.org (http://geoengineeringwatch.org)) is suspicious this is a bioweapon attack. Published yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S3ebz0PUXM

[Bill Ryan]

An article yesterday by Mike Adams from Natural News:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-01-25-coronavirus-hits-15-fatality-rate-83-infection-rate.html

Mike is often a little sensational, but these appear to be actual numbers — albeit from a small case study:

Coronavirus Hits 15% Fatality Rate, 83% Infection Rate for Those Exposed; Lancet Publishes Early Study That Points to Alarming Consequences for Humanity.

It's a long article, which I'll not copy here. But he points out, quite correctly:

If the infection rate stands at 83%, this pandemic will be impossible to contain.

[Eric J (Viking)]

ΒΟDΙES EVERYWHERE' CHΙNΑ QUΑRΑNTΙNΕS 10+ MAJOR CITIES(40 ΜΙL PEOPLE) & 'WHO' CREATED VΙRUS REVEALED...

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Source: https://bitchute.com/video/6dav9eMbRZk

Viking

[AutumnW]

From Mike Adams:

Interviews Chris Martenson, a 'survivalist', former VP of Pfizer who has a pHD in toxicology. He knows what he's talking about. It's not all just his opinion.

https://www.peakprosperity.com/video-the-risk-of-a-true-pandemic-is-higher-than-were-being-told

(https://www.peakprosperity.com/video-the-risk-of-a-true-pandemic-is-higher-than-were-being-told/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5P_iRYwTY

[AutumnW]

Viking,

"Bodies Everywhere?" There's no evidence for this. It could happen but currently...just no. Chinese authorities are acting with an abundance of caution AND they are also downplaying it, but the 'bodies everywhere' at this point is fear mongering.

The videos showing people falling to the ground aren't properly sourced, vetted. Question everything. Don't be overly reactive or too complacent. Walk the middle road on this one. Fade click bait vloggers. :sun::bowing:

As for the severity of the outbreak, watch what governments do, not what they say. Building an emergency 10,000 bed hospital speaks to the potential severity, or present severity, but it is far from, "people dying in the streets."

[AutumnW]

Onawah,

A new virus story always sounds good. It will have legs. People will want to know about it. Some reporters—blithely accepting the existence and dire impact of a virus—will take that ball and run with it into new territory: “the virus was created in a lab.” They don’t stop and consider the possibility (confirmed by history) that the hoax goes all the way to the bottom—no virus was actually discovered, or if it was, there is a zero proof that it’s harmful. They miss that vital step.

This is Jon Rapaport's opinion and not necessarily factual. Please bare in mind that a lot of "honest" reporters in the alt community started out that way and have gotten carried away and/or make money from clicks. Just because fear of disease has been manipulated in the past, and for profit, doesn't meant that every potential pandemic will follow that pattern. Humanity, at 7 billion individuals, a large percentage of whom are in China, are primed by nature for a pandemic that wipes many of them out.

This is particularly true in areas where people are tightly packed and are mingling intimately with wildlife. You don't get much more intimate than eating bats and snakes in open air markets. The rabbit plague that wiped out all of the rabbits in Australia, is just one example of overcrowding that leads to viral epidemics that kill.

It's probably wise to bare in mind that the virus may be a bioweapons program using the argument I just used as justification for the outbreak. It's possible but it could be exactly what it appears to be.

[Delight]

From Mike Adams:

Interviews Chris Martenson, a 'survivalist', former VP of Pfizer who has a pHD in toxicology. He knows what he's talking about. It's not all just his opinion.


Bat to snake to human? Lab manufactured?

One thing... Was the "Spanish Flu" really a viral illness?

The main thing, WASH your hands frequently and keep hands from face...
I want to share this info too.


Oregano Oil Proves Effective Against Coronavirus
Tuesday, 01 December 2009 19:00
By Staff Writer - Vol. 4, No. 4. Winter, 2003 (https://holisticprimarycare.net/topics/topics-h-n/infectious-disease/117-oregano-oil-proves-effective-against-coronavirus.html)
Oil of oregano may prove to be a valuable ally against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

A recent in vitro study indicates that the essential oil of this medicinal herb can destroy human coronavirus, thought to be the pathogen responsible for SARS, and completely stop its replication within 20 minutes of exposure.

The study was conducted by Dr. M. Khalid Ijaz, of Microbiotest, an independent microbiological testing lab in Sterling, VA. Dr. Ijaz incubated human coronavirus in MRC-5 cell lines with Oreganol P73, an olive-oil preparation of wild oregano, and with Oregacillin, a combination of wild oregano, wild sage, wild cumin and wild cinnamon oils. Both products are made by Physician's Strength/North American Herb and Spice, a company that specializes in medicinal essential oils from the Mediterranean.

The oregano oil alone reduced viral titers from over 5 million particles per ml at baseline, to 167 particles per ml within 15 minutes. At 20 minutes, the titers were down to 150 particles per ml. The Oregacillin combination reduced titers from over 5 million, to 133 particles per ml in 15 minutes. Within 20 minutes, they were reduced to non-detectable levels. The investigators noted that both preparations were able to halt viral replication within the host cells.

The in vitro findings need to be confirmed in human clinical trials, but they are compelling in that they show that oil of oregano, alone and in combination with other essential oils, have unequivocal virucidal and virustatic effects.

[AutumnW]

According to this news, which is widely circulating in the Taiwan press and is based on a study published in The Lancet, the Wuhan coronavirus fatality rate has leaped to 15%, and the infection rate among those exposed is 83%.

It's a very worrying number, but the fatalities are based on those who have been hospitalized, not on the many who have it and are merely really sick and staying home. Chris Martenson explains this in his interview with Mike. He fleshes out a lot of this story, as he has the education to do it. I am going to be following Martenson on this story as he is highly suspicious of government, thinks 911 was an inside job. In my mind, he is the right guy for the job!

[AutumnW]

From Mike Adams:

Interviews Chris Martenson, a 'survivalist', former VP of Pfizer who has a pHD in toxicology. He knows what he's talking about. It's not all just his opinion.


Bat to snake to human? Lab manufactured?

One thing... Was the "Spanish Flu" really a viral illness?

The main thing, WASH your hands frequently and keep hands from face...
I want to share this info too.


Oregano Oil Proves Effective Against Coronavirus
Tuesday, 01 December 2009 19:00
By Staff Writer - Vol. 4, No. 4. Winter, 2003 (https://holisticprimarycare.net/topics/topics-h-n/infectious-disease/117-oregano-oil-proves-effective-against-coronavirus.html)
Oil of oregano may prove to be a valuable ally against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

A recent in vitro study indicates that the essential oil of this medicinal herb can destroy human coronavirus, thought to be the pathogen responsible for SARS, and completely stop its replication within 20 minutes of exposure.

The study was conducted by Dr. M. Khalid Ijaz, of Microbiotest, an independent microbiological testing lab in Sterling, VA. Dr. Ijaz incubated human coronavirus in MRC-5 cell lines with Oreganol P73, an olive-oil preparation of wild oregano, and with Oregacillin, a combination of wild oregano, wild sage, wild cumin and wild cinnamon oils. Both products are made by Physician's Strength/North American Herb and Spice, a company that specializes in medicinal essential oils from the Mediterranean.

The oregano oil alone reduced viral titers from over 5 million particles per ml at baseline, to 167 particles per ml within 15 minutes. At 20 minutes, the titers were down to 150 particles per ml. The Oregacillin combination reduced titers from over 5 million, to 133 particles per ml in 15 minutes. Within 20 minutes, they were reduced to non-detectable levels. The investigators noted that both preparations were able to halt viral replication within the host cells.

The in vitro findings need to be confirmed in human clinical trials, but they are compelling in that they show that oil of oregano, alone and in combination with other essential oils, have unequivocal virucidal and virustatic effects.

Delight, Strangely, I think Martenson might know more than all of us put together on this topic. It is proven to be a viral illness, as Spanish flu has been. only recently. An Inuit body was reclaimed from thawing permafrost and autopsied. The scientists were able to sequence the virus from bits they found in the preserved carcass.

Oil of oregano may help. Who knows? If people claim they feel better on it and it helps them ward off colds, I'll buy it. I would like to take a look at those clinical trials as well though.

[AutumnW]

This is what I meant to post, Mike Adams interview with Chris Martenson, introduced by Adam Taggart:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast-everything-we-know-so-far-about-the-coronavirus

(https://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast-everything-we-know-so-far-about-the-coronavirus/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_o624hesB4

[James Newell]

Part of the problem in China is eating sewage apparently. I can see how it could start and spread in such an area. Also with many of our larger US cities allowing filth to accumulate, like feces on streets etc. The US's main population centers are ripe for such a disease.

https://thedailyclown.weebly.com/chinese****.html

[AutumnW]

Part of the problem in China is eating sewage apparently. I can see how it could start and spread in such an area. Also with many of our larger US cities allowing filth to accumulate, like feces on streets etc. The US's main population centers are ripe for such a disease.

https://thedailyclown.weebly.com/chinese****.html

This is terrible. However, the video describes what is reclamed from the manhole covers is animal fats. Fat rises to the top, so that makes sense. Still super freaking grosse. Thanks for posting this. I couln't link from your link but managed to find the video on that site. It seems to be legitimate. Again....blechhhh. I thought I was pretty much aware of most of the gross practices going on in the world...but apparently not!:bowing:

Here is link:

https://thedailyclown.weebly.com/chinese****.html Woops that doesn't work either. Do a search for "gutter oil" on youtube. That might work.

Here is a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDfYdsWimyM



From Bill: apologies, this is the Avalon auto-censor being a little over-zealous here. :)

Below is an equivalent link that goes to the same page. Whether "The Daily Clown" is a legitimate news site, I'd not bet too much, but yes, the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04&feature=emb_logo) might be authentic.


https://bit.ly/2Go50tX (https://bit.ly/2Go50tX)

[Sarah Rainsong]

An article yesterday by Mike Adams from Natural News:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-01-25-coronavirus-hits-15-fatality-rate-83-infection-rate.html

Mike is often a little sensational, but these appear to be actual numbers — albeit from a small case study:

Coronavirus Hits 15% Fatality Rate, 83% Infection Rate for Those Exposed; Lancet Publishes Early Study That Points to Alarming Consequences for Humanity.

It's a long article, which I'll not copy here. But he points out, quite correctly:

If the infection rate stands at 83%, this pandemic will be impossible to contain.

I went to the study that the article links. www.thelancet.com (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext) I'm not seeing the same numbers. I don't see the 83% infection rate. If someone with a better medical background can show me where I missed that, I'd really appreciate it!

Also, the 15% mortality rate is among the first 41 people admitted. After that, the number drops to about 3%. "As of Jan 24, 2020, 835 laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infections were reported in China, with 25 fatal cases."

Some things that did jump out at me were:
the high likelihood of cytokine storm, particularly in the 25-49 age group
the ineffectiveness of the antivirals and the corticosteroids
"the ability for efficient human transmission"

and this "No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases."

So far, I'm just not seeing clear evidence that this is indeed as bad or worse than the infamous 1918 flu pandemic. It could be a virus that is just as bad as the flu is pretty much every year. That's not a good thing, but it's not pandemic TEOTWAWKI levels. BUT... it could be.

[AutumnW]

One thing... Was the "Spanish Flu" really a viral illness? -- Delight

"In the 1999 study, the authors succeeded in sequencing the full length HA gene sequence of the 1918 virus. To accomplish this, the authors used RNA fragments of the virus obtained from the bodies of the formerly described 21-year-old Fort Jackson service member, “Lucy” from Brevik Mission, and a third person, a 30-year-old male service member stationed at Camp Upton, New York. This man was admitted to the camp hospital with influenza on September 23, 1918, had a rapid clinical course of illness, and died from acute respiratory failure on September 26, 2018."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html

[AutumnW]

An article yesterday by Mike Adams from Natural News:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-01-25-coronavirus-hits-15-fatality-rate-83-infection-rate.html

Mike is often a little sensational, but these appear to be actual numbers — albeit from a small case study:

Coronavirus Hits 15% Fatality Rate, 83% Infection Rate for Those Exposed; Lancet Publishes Early Study That Points to Alarming Consequences for Humanity.

It's a long article, which I'll not copy here. But he points out, quite correctly:

If the infection rate stands at 83%, this pandemic will be impossible to contain.

I went to the study that the article links. www.thelancet.com (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext) I'm not seeing the same numbers. I don't see the 83% infection rate. If someone with a better medical background can show me where I missed that, I'd really appreciate it!

Also, the 15% mortality rate is among the first 41 people admitted. After that, the number drops to about 3%. "As of Jan 24, 2020, 835 laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infections were reported in China, with 25 fatal cases."

Some things that did jump out at me were:
the high likelihood of cytokine storm, particularly in the 25-49 age group
the ineffectiveness of the antivirals and the corticosteroids
"the ability for efficient human transmission"

and this "No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases."

So far, I'm just not seeing clear evidence that this is indeed as bad or worse than the infamous 1918 flu pandemic. It could be a virus that is just as bad as the flu is pretty much every year. That's not a good thing, but it's not pandemic TEOTWAWKI levels. BUT... it could be.

Rainsong, Welcome to Avalon! If you go to the Chris Martenson podcast I posted, he describes how the first phase of an outbreak is often not the most serious. The second wave, in 5 or 6 months, he estimates, could be much worse. I forget the explanation, something to do with mutation.

[Sarah Rainsong]

AutumnW, thanks for the welcome, and I just finished the podcast! Pretty sure I've read/heard Chris Martenson before and liked him then, too, but I can't remember from what. Anyhow, I did note what he was saying about waves. They also mentioned the upcoming Super Bowl. And I couldn't help but think that the outbreak has already coincided with Lunar New Year and now that it's spreading, you've got the Super Bowl (and all the travel and the parties that go with it) coming up that could increase transmission.

If this is something that was engineered, the timing is very convenient.

But if you look for waves, I would definitely be watching fall of 2020, which gives people time to do some serious preparing if they're inclined.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Going by Rife's work, there are more than just two stages to the life cycle of a pathogen (ie.germ, meaning very small).

It is these missing steps that 'modern medicine' or allopathic medicine does not recognize. If the germ is very small these intermediate stages are vanishingly small and require a radically different mode of detection.

So when 'authorities' talk they are already full fledged members of the cult and have long ago succumbed to the dogma. They cannot think outside the norms they have been inculcated with over their many years of 'training'. 'It's the best we got' is what we hear when we ask why a treatment was less than efficacious or why so many get ill from the cure. And why patient x got better but not patient y is far far out of the range of any possible currently acceptable explanation. So we play dice with the populace because 'that's all we got'.

I hope that this newest bug will not slap us in the face with our own ignorance that passes as fact.

Put up your defenses now and do not let the virus affect you and yours! That's the best advice. And no fear. Fear kills the energetic immune response (belief) - the very first line of defense.

[Sue (Ayt)]

One thing... Was the "Spanish Flu" really a viral illness? -- Delight

"In the 1999 study, the authors succeeded in sequencing the full length HA gene sequence of the 1918 virus. To accomplish this, the authors used RNA fragments of the virus obtained from the bodies of the formerly described 21-year-old Fort Jackson service member, “Lucy” from Brevik Mission, and a third person, a 30-year-old male service member stationed at Camp Upton, New York. This man was admitted to the camp hospital with influenza on September 23, 1918, had a rapid clinical course of illness, and died from acute respiratory failure on September 26, 2018."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html

Interesting article.
One thing that I would like to see is more time and funds spent on researching and publicizing preventative measures, ie studies on who gets these illnesses, why some are not susceptible, and what exact measure can be taken to build individual immunity and resistance. For example, we read about the effectiveness of keeping vitamin d levels up, but generally there is no publicity or recommendations for this by the health community. Very little is ever recommended to the public, besides get your vaccines, cover your mouth, avoid crowds, wash your hands.

[AutumnW]

Ayt,

Delight has pointed out the benefits of rest and optimum diet. The best preventative measure is hand washing and self quarantine, if it gets bad enough. Being under the age of 50, but over the age of 5 helps too--for the 'elderly' who can afford a time machine!

If the virus creates a cytokine storm, those who are most susceptible are those who have the most efficient immune systems...generally known as 'healthy younger people.'
I wonder if those with auto-immune and other immune disorders are more at risk. With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, the immune system is usually over active. It feels like it's darned near killing you, at the best of times. I would hate to get anything that made my immune system go even more berserk.

[Delight]

Ayt,

Delight has pointed out the benefits of rest and optimum diet. The best preventative measure is hand washing and self quarantine, if it gets bad enough. Being under the age of 50, but over the age of 5 helps too--for the 'elderly' who can afford a time machine!

If the virus creates a cytokine storm, those who are most susceptible are those who have the most efficient immune systems...generally known as 'healthy younger people.'
I wonder if those with auto-immune and other immune disorders are more at risk. With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, the immune system is usually over active. It feels like it's darned near killing you, at the best of times. I would hate to get anything that made my immune system go even more berserk.

This has suggestions and is a good article to read. H1N1 is not a corona virus but the same principles apply. if this is truly a real event and not just more scare for no reasons, then I would isolate from others. I used to be a nurse and health professionals will not be able to stay away. I read about the flu vaccine being used and that seems like a really bad idea....could trigger an over active immune response.

I am very enthusiastic about preventive oil of oregano and would suggest that for any viral exposure.


Dr. Carol’s Holistic Natural Remedy’s Fight Swine Flu Naturally!
(https://www.chagrinfallspetclinic.com/2009/04/29/dr-carols-holistic-natural-remedys-fight-swine-flu-naturally/)Certain alternative remedies can act as natural, effective anti-virals. They boost your immune system, decrease the production of toxic cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 and help not only to treat but also to prevent the flu.

Garlic (allicin): Garlic is a very effective antiviral. It is most effective in its raw form and needs to be crushed. It must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. The initial dose is 2 to 3 cloves daily, and this is gradually decreased until no body odor occurs. There are no toxic effects in people. Pets including dogs and cats should not use this as garlic fed continually leads to a decrease in red blood cell production which results in anemia.
Vitamin C: Vitamin C boosts the immune system and acts as antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people that took large amounts of Vitamin C and lived through the Spanish Flu pandemic. Vitamin C may also be effective by reducing the body’s natural production of two cytokines, TNF-a and IL-6. Another study also validated the effectiveness of taking Vitamin C when flu is suspected. In this report, a group of 470 people took 1000 milligrams of Vitamin C every hour for six hours in a row, and then took 1000 milligrams of Vitamin C 3 times a day. They experienced an 85% decrease in flu symptoms.
Green Tea may be used as an alternative to the current anti-viral medications, Tamiflu and Relenza. Green tea catechins act as effective antivirals. They decrease the production of the cytokine TNF-a, inhibit neuraminidase and may have antiviral activity equivalent to other antivirals including Tamiflu.
St. John’s Wort (Hypericum): St. John’s Wort is an effective antiviral. Hypericum, the active ingredient in St. John’s Wart decreases the production cytokine IL-6. There have also been some promising results with this substance in research trials conducted in commercial flocks of birds infected with the H5N1 strain of the Bird Flu virus conducted in Vietnam.
Vitamin E: Vitamin E boosts the immune system and decreases the production of cytokine TNF-a.) Studies were conducted in mice and indicate that Vitamin E is very beneficial for people and pets with compromised immune systems, especially in older individuals. The beneficial effects of Vitamin E are enhanced further when it is taken along with Vitamin C.
Apple Juice: Apple juice demonstrates anti-viral properties. Fresh apple juice along with the pulp and skin offers more antiviral protection than heated commercially available apple juice. More research is needed and its effectiveness toward H5N1 is unknown.
Resveratrol: Resvertrol has antiviral properties. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also helps to block virus production in the body. Products that contain Resveratrol include red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood Root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are available commercially and are more stable than wine. Liquid forms allow immediate absorption orally. There are no reported toxic side effects in people.
Scutellaria (Skullcap): Skullcap is an herb used to make tea and has antiviral properties. It has no adverse side effects in people and also acts as a mild tranquilizer. Research suggests that Skullcap may act by inhibiting the enzyme neuraminidase, which is a needed for the H5N1 strain of the Bird Flu virus to reproduce.
Cranberry Juice: Studies indicate that cranberry juice shows anti-viral activity. Cranberry juice may act by reducing the virus’s ability to invade the body and/or multiply. Its specific effect against the H5N1strain of Bird Flu is unknown.
Cat’s Claw (Uncaria tomentosa): Cat’s Claw decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. It also boosts the immune system. In one study, in which water bark was used, there was an increase in the number of white blood cells, but no toxicity was noted. [Link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] The leaves, bark, vine, and roots contain the active ingredient which is Uncaria tomentosa. Children and pregnant women should not ingest Cats Claw because it may have a harmful genetic effect, adversely affecting the DNA, in the developing cells of young children and unborn babies. Since this is also a source of aspirin, pets including dogs and cats should not be given Cats Claw. In cats, aspirin cannot be metabolized or broken down and therefore is toxic and may be fatal. In dogs, aspirin can lead to bleeding ulcers of the stomach and intestines.
Curcumin (Tumeric): Tumeric is the active ingredient in Curcumin. Curcumin is the yellow colored spice used to make curry. Tumeric decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Research indicates that this may help to prevent cytokine storms. Tumeric should be taken with food in order to prevent irritation of the lining of the stomach, called gastritis and/or the development of ulcers in the stomach which are referred to as peptic ulcers. Pregnant and nursing mothers should not take Tumeric. Since curcumin is metabolized very quickly by the liver, it is best to take this along with a substance called “Piperine”, which is found in black pepper. Various health food stores carry Tumeric, already combined with Piperine. The product is available commercially in tablets, liquids and capsules already combined with Piperine. Human dosage is 500mg to 4000mg a day.
Astragalus root (Astragali Radix): Astragalus root boosts the immune system.
Tea Tree Steam Inhalation: This reduces the cytokine TNF-a and has been said to help relieve congestion and combat infection.
Recipe for Tea Tree Steam Inhalation: add 2 drops of tea tree oil to a bowl of steaming water. Cover your head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Dogs may also safely enjoy the benefits this offers. For canines: place the steaming bowl in your shower or bathroom and enjoy the vapors, along with your dog for 5-10 minutes together. Tea Tree substances including tea tree oil can be toxic to cats and therefore should not be used.
Natural Remedies and Herbs to Avoid during the Flu Pandemic
Elderberry Juice (Sambucal): Elderberry juice increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 Bird Flu virus. It increases the production of toxic cytokines which could trigger a fatal cytokine storm.
Micro Algae: Chlorella and Spirulina: Both of these micro-algae act to increase the body’s natural production of the toxic cytokine TNF-a.
Honey: Honey increases production of toxic cytokines TNF-a and IL-6.
Chocolate: Chocolate increases production of both toxic cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Chocolate contains Theobromide which is toxic to dogs and cats.
Echinacea: Echinacea increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although this is often beneficial to boost immunity with the common cold and certain strains of flu, research indicates that Echinacea should not be taken during this Flu pandemic because it may increase the risk of cytokine storms.
Kimchi: Kimchi increases production of both toxic cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 and therefore should not be taken.
Dairy Products and Bananas: Both dairy products and bananas naturally increase mucous production in the airways and respiratory system and as a result should not be taken.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Ayt,

Delight has pointed out the benefits of rest and optimum diet. The best preventative measure is hand washing and self quarantine, if it gets bad enough. Being under the age of 50, but over the age of 5 helps too--for the 'elderly' who can afford a time machine!

If the virus creates a cytokine storm, those who are most susceptible are those who have the most efficient immune systems...generally known as 'healthy younger people.'
I wonder if those with auto-immune and other immune disorders are more at risk. With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, the immune system is usually over active. It feels like it's darned near killing you, at the best of times. I would hate to get anything that made my immune system go even more berserk.

Yes - I have a bunch of files I saved with various studies about cytokine storm, pneumonia, etc. since the bird-flu scare.
Yesterday, I saved a study that was done after the SARS scare that had some info as to corona viruses that may be helpful.
Here are some parts of it that may be relevant:


CAPE and parthenolide, increased mouse survival after infection and was associated with reduced expression of proinflammatory cytokines in the lungs. These drugs showed complementary effects as treatment with both of them increased survival to a higher extent than treatment with either one alone. Therefore, NF-κB inhibitors may be useful antivirals in SARS therapy. Similarly, NF-κB inhibitors may be effective as antivirals against influenza virus

parthenolide = feverfew
resveratrol
CAPE = propolis

The NF-κB inhibitors caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE), resveratrol, Bay11-7082, and parthenolide

In addition to the inhibitors used in this study, other inhibitors of the signaling pathway leading to NF-κB activation could be considered to treat SARS patients. For example, inhibitors that (i) block the binding of cytokines to their receptors, such as anti-TNF antibodies, (ii) inhibit IKK activation and function, (iii) interfere with IκB degradation, such as ubiquitination and proteasome inhibitors, and (iv) impede nuclear translocation, DNA binding, and transcriptional activation of NF-κB (reviewed in references 35 and 36) could be assessed.
https://jvi.asm.org/content/88/2/913

CAPE
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4058104/

I also started a list of many TNF inhibitors that I searched out.

[Bill Ryan]

This is an excellent CNN article, published yesterday.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/24/opinions/wuhan-coronavirus-china-strategy-garrett/index.html

What it will take to stop the Wuhan Coronavirus

The author is Laurie Garrett, described as

A Pulitzer Prize-winning writer and policy analyst, and the author of The Coming Plague: Newly Emerging Diseases in a World Out of Balance (https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Plague-Emerging-Diseases-Balance/dp/0140250913).
She compares the Wuhan coronavirus with SARS. That was contained after 8 months, but only after reaching 37 countries, infecting 8,098 people and killing 774 of them. This new situation seems more out of control already.

[AutumnW]

Great catch, Bill! Thanks. That's going to be a good read!

For anyone wondering about Ayt's post. Here is a description TNF inhibitors. TNF inhibitors are drugs that help stop inflammation. They're used to treat diseases like rheumatoid arthritis (RA), juvenile arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, plaque psoriasis, ankylosing spondylitis, ulcerative colitis (UC), and Crohn's disease. They're also called TNF blockers, biologic therapies, or anti-TNF drugs

For those of us with upgraded immune or auto immune systems, it would be lovely to know how we should respond, should an actual proven and effective vaccine be developed. Any ideas on this you can recommend, Ayt, would be appreciated!

[Delight]

For anyone wondering about Rainsong's post. Here is a description TNF inhibitors. TNF inhibitors are drugs that help stop inflammation.

Septic shock is, from what I have read, the deadliest complication from viral infection


Septic Shock
Septic shock is defined as “a subset of sepsis in which particularly profound circulatory, cellular, and metabolic abnormalities are associated with a greater risk of mortality than with sepsis alone.

From: Precision Medicine, 2018 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/septic-shock)

This is a really good article IMO about strategies we can use to decrease inflammatory response.



How to Inhibit TNF-alpha Naturally
Written by Joe Cohen, BS | Last updated: January 4, 2020
(https://selfhack.com/blog/supplements-lifestyle-factors-influence-tnf-interleukin-6-il-6/)
What is Tumor Necrosis Factor (TNF)?
The three most common inflammatory cytokines that are responsible for chronic inflammatory diseases are Tumor Necrosis Factor (TNF), Interleukin-1beta (IL-1b) and Interleukin-6 (IL-6). These are the most commonly talked about cytokines in the literature.

The transcription factor nuclear factor NF-kappaB is also heavily spoken about and these four proteins are what people most likely refer to when they talk about chronic inflammation (whether they are aware of this or not).

TNF can be increased in either Th1 dominance or Th2 dominance.

TNF increases CRP, which is a common blood measurement to gauge inflammation. However, CRP is not sensitive enough to detect lower, but chronic levels of TNF. See my discussion of this in my IL-6 post.

It’s important to realize that you can have TNF elevated locally in areas such as your hypothalamus or gut and it wouldn’t show on blood tests.

Many kinds of cells release TNF and then TNF goes on to stimulate other immune cells.

TNF is released by Macrophages, Dendritic cells, T cells, Fat cells, and Fibroblasts.

TNF then affects various cells. In particular, it will affect cells that line our blood vessels (endothelial cells), which causes vascular problems and this strongly causes cancer, as it causes angiogenesis and increased blood vessel formation (hypervascularization). It can also cause heart disease, kidney disease, and cognitive problems.

TNF negatively affects intestinal cells, causing cell death, leaky gut, IBS, and IBD.

TNF stimulates macrophages and effector T cells, which leads to more inflammatory cytokine production and apoptosis resistance (which contributes to cancer).

Good Things About TNF
TNF induces sleep and it increases non-rem sleep [1].

Therefore, it’s good to have this elevated somewhat at night when we want to fall asleep. TNF is elevated naturally in healthy people at night time.

The duration of daytime sleep in Alzheimer’s disease correlated with the degree of functional impairment in the patient [2], which is a result of elevated inflammation.

Other examples of daytime sleepiness in chronic inflammatory states are Parkinson’s disease [2], traumatic brain injury (TBI) [2], stroke [2], heart failure [2], and type-2 diabetes [2].

TNF is a direct fat buster, which leads to insulin resistance in fat cells [3], but also insulin resistance in muscle cells [4]. This means that glucose can’t make its way into these cells.

TNF suppresses appetite by suppressing orexin [5, 6, 2].

So high levels of TNF makes you thinner by causing you to eat less and by inhibiting glucose into fat cells.

If you decrease TNF, you will become more hungry and store more fat.

Hence, it’s not surprising that anti-TNF therapy results in weight gain – an average of 5.5kg or 11 pounds in only 12 weeks [7]. It’s incredible that only one variable changed (TNF) and the study participants gained on average 11 pounds.

Low doses of TNF given to mice caused insulin and leptin resistance in the hypothalamus, which should contribute to obesity [8].

Even a relatively low level of TNF decreases aldosterone synthesis in response to ACTH (precursor of cortisol), which increases in response to stress and intense exercise [9]. This can lower blood pressure.

Exercise increases ACTH, which normally tells our body to conserve salt by increasing aldosterone. However, if we have inflammation, then aldosterone production will be limited and if we sweat a lot it can cause low levels of salt in the body.

Bad Things About TNF
I have already spoken about how I think trying to increase your motivation or mood by hacks, tricks, or by changing your mindset will only increase your neuroticism.

If you have elevated TNF and you bring it down, this will positively affect your mood and motivation.

TNF plays a major role in many diseases and is a cytokine that is a performance killer.

TNF can cause lasting harm by damaging your mitochondria [10].

TNF makes you tired, lowers your mood and decreases cognitive and physical performance by suppressing orexin [5, 6, 2].

Orexin is an extremely important neurotransmitter for many bodily functions.

Orexin performs a number of key roles in memory acquisition and consolidation, as well as in long-term memory reinforcement [2]. Hence, if you have elevated inflammation, it will harm your cognitive performance (also by decreasing BDNF, etc).

TNF can also lower thyroid hormones, causing ‘low T3 syndrome’ [11]. It can also lower testosterone (trended, but not significant) [12].

TNF slows wound healing, which means you’ll need more time to recover from exercise/injuries. [13, 14].

TNF can induce a ‘leaky gut’ [15].

Chronically elevated TNF-alpha can also disturb the circadian rhythm and cause fatigue in the day [2].

TNF can keep you from getting into ketosis [16].

When your natural skin fungus gets out of control, the body attacks it with cytokines that include TNF (also IL-6, IL-1b, IL-8), which recruits other aspects of the immune system [17].

Diseases Associated With TNF-alpha
Autoimmune disease: in general [18], Multiple Sclerosis [19], Behcet’s [20], SLE [21], Scleroderma [22], Sarcoidosis [22], Hidradenitis suppurativa [23], Ankylosing spondylitis [23], Erythema nodosum leprosum [24]
Heart disease [25] – Heart failure [26], Atherosclerosis [26], Stroke [27]
Cancer in general [28], Melanoma [18]
Insulin Resistance [29], Diabetes II [30]
Alzheimer’s [31], Parkinson’s [22], ALS [32]
Major Depression [33] – Depressed people had TNF levels that were about 3.97 pg/ml higher than healthy people [34].
IBS [35, 36], Crohn’s/Ulcerative Colitis [37]
Rheumatoid Arthritis [23]
Osteoporosis [26]
Psoriasis [23], Eczema [22]
Asthma [22], COPD [38]. TNF stimulates various molecules which recruit eosinophils, neutrophils, and lymphocytes to the airway. TNF can induce corticosteroid resistance [39].
OCD – only sometimes [40], Schizophrenia [33], Bipolar [41, 42], Anorexia [43]
PCOS [44] – TNF shifts production of cortisol to testosterone, hence causing PCOS [45].
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [46], Fibromyalgia [47] – contradictory [48].
Others: Tinnitus [49], Epilepsy [22], Cystic Fibrosis [50], Chemotherapy-induced neuropathy [51], Diabetic Neuropathy [52], Chronic liver disease [53], Fatty Liver [22]
The Most Significant Factors That Influence TNF
The two main factors that cause elevated TNF, if I had to guess, are lectins [54] and obesity [55], since fat cells produce TNF. If we ate less, a lot of people’s inflammation problems would disappear.

Other likely causes are sleep deprivation [56] and high blood glucose levels [57] from eating too much, especially high glycemic index foods.

Other common factors are a lack of exercise [58], excess alcohol [59], smoking [60], and not enough fruits and veggies [61].

UV acutely increases TNF [62, 63, 64] (but eventually downregulates it). This is the likely reason why some people experience fatigue from sunbathing.

Recent research indicates that TNF is potently inhibited by exercise (specifically, myokines or proteins produced by the muscles such as IL-6) [65]. However, excessive exercise or Marathons will elevate TNF [66].

An infection can also elevate TNF. Bacterial (rather than viral) infections are more likely if you have elevated TNF [67].

TNF-alpha Increasers
Oxidative stress – TNF activity is dependent on the generation of ROS [68].
Lectins – For people who are lectin sensitive (perhaps a quarter of the population)
Sun – Both UVA and UVB, which are emitted by the sun, acutely increase TNF-alpha [62, 63, 64]. I still support sun exposure.
Excessive exercise/Marathons [66]
Sleep deprivation [56]
Chronic insomnia – in the day time [69].
Obesity [55]
High glucose levels [57] – usually because of high glycemic index foods [70].
A lack of exercise [58]
A lack of resistant starch [71]
Circadian disruption [72]
Excess alcohol [59]
Smoking [60]
A high-fat diet (especially palmitic acid [73] – this doesn’t mean to eat a low-fat diet) [74].
A lack of foods like fruits and vegetables, which contain phytochemicals that inhibit TNF and other kinds of inflammation [61].
Heavy metals [75]
Some toxins [76]
Magnesium deficiency [77]
Zinc deficiency [78]
Vitamin D deficiency [79, 80, 81]
Chromium deficiency [82]
Choline Deficiency [83] – People who consumed more than 360 mg per day had a 12% lower concentrations of TNF than those who consumed less.
Coffee – Coffee drinkers had an average of 28% higher TNF, but maybe people with high TNF are tired, so they’re more likely to drink coffee. I got inflammation from it.
Goji Berries [84], Aloe – (in cancer cells) [85], Reishi [86] – decreases if high [87], Andrographis [85], Apismin – found in honey and royal jelly [88]. (I once took 20X the dosage of royal jelly and got fever from it). Arabinogalactan – [88].
Vasopressin [89], IGF-1 [90], Angiotensin II [91].
TNF-alpha Inhibitors
Joe’s Top ways to Inhibit TNF alpha
Vagus nerve stimulation [92]
Ketosis [93]
Acute psychological stress [94] and Glucocorticoids/Cortisol [95] (not recommended)
Calorie restriction [96]
Yoga [97]
Tai Chi [98]
Wim Hof Breathing/Meditation [99]
Cycling [98]
Mediterranean diet [100]
Elemental diet for lectin sensitive [101].
Napping after sleep loss [102].
Falling in love, having sex, nursing, and positive social encounters. All of these lead to increased oxytocin [103]. L Reuteri also increases oxytocin [104].
LLLT [105, 106, 107]
Elemental diet [101]/ Lectin avoidance diet if lectin sensitive
Fish Oil/DHA+EPA [108]
Fasting [109]
Exercise
PQQ [110]
Curcumin [111, 112]
EGCG [113]
Cinnamon/Sodium Benzoate [114, 115]
Black Cumin Seed Oil [116]
Rooibos [117]
Carob [118]
Nicotinamide Riboside NAD+ [119]
Kombucha/Lactic acid [120]
Hops (xanthohumol) [121]
Introduction to TNF Regulation
Since TNF is one factor that makes us tired at night, I recommend taking most supplements in the day time.

All of the products that are not drugs are in my toolkit unless there’s a star next to it.

The vast majority of herbs and natural products inhibit TNF, IL-1b, IL-6, and NF-kB to one degree or another.

There are drugs that target TNF (monoclonal antibodies). They are effective and should be taken if all else fails and if they are indicated for your condition (with the approval of your doctor). You’d also want to measure your blood levels of TNF before you take these drugs.

The biggest problem with inhibiting TNF too much is that you become more susceptible to infections – and when you do get sick it’s more dangerous.

When researchers tried to give drugs to inhibit TNF and IL-1b together, they had to stop the trials because people started to get sick very easily. The supplements are not as strong, so there’s not much concern here. Also, when herbs inhibit TNF, they are simultaneously acting as antimicrobials, which prevents you from getting infections to begin with (or activating latent infections).

If you take multiple supplements and combine them with diet and lifestyle, the effect should be significant, but I haven’t noticed an increase in infections on myself.

Diet And Lifestyle To Inhibit TNF
One study found no difference in IL-6 or TNF in people who ate whole grains vs refined grains for 12 weeks [122]. However, I’ve come across many studies that do show a reduction in inflammation with legume consumption [123, 124] – but obviously not for lectin sensitive people.

Interestingly, in men, red meat was associated with lower TNF (but was correlated with CRP in women) [125].

Foods To Inhibit TNF
Sardines (the protein in it) [126]
Cinnamon/Sodium Benzoate
Nutritional Yeast/B-glucans [127, 128] – found in mushrooms.
Stevia [129, 130]
Honey [131]
Chocolate /Coffee – PDE inhibitors such as xanthines, caffeine, and theophylline
Trehalose [132, 133]
Garlic [134]
Fish Oil [135]
Dates [136, 137]
Blueberries/Berries/Cyanidin-3-O-β-glucoside (C3G) – typical anthocyanin found in blackcurrant pomace, European elderberry, red raspberries, plum, peach, lychee, and açaí [138].
Sulforaphane/Broccoli Sprouts/Cruciferous Veggies [139]
Soy [140]
Betalain/Beets [141]
Kamut [142]
Coriander [143]
Tamarind [144]
Slippery elm [145]
Dandelion [146]
Hormones
Cortisol [147]
MSH [148]
ACTH [148]
Oxytocin [149]
Adiponectin [150]
Melatonin [151]
Vitamin D3 [152]
Progesterone (Pregnenolone converts to it) [153]
Estrogen (Pregnenolone converts to it) [154]
DHEA [155]
Ghrelin [156]
Neurotransmitters
Serotonin [157]
Acetylcholine [158]
Top Supplements To Inhibit TNF
Inositol [159, 160] – also see picture above
Boswellia [161]
Nicotinamide [119]
EGCG [162]
Hydroxytyrosol [163]
Licorice [164], LicoA [165], Glycyrrhizin [166]
Luteolin [167]
Andrographolide [168]
Fisetin [169]
Resveratrol [170]
Other Supplements To Inhibit TNF
Bile [171]
Lactoferrin [172]
Glycine [173]
Chromium [174]
Sialic Acid [175, 176]
Arginine [177]
Bromelain [178]
Berberine [179, 160]
Apple polyphenols [180]
Silymarin [181]
Honokiol [182]
Chinese Skullcap [183]/Baicalin [184]
Ginkgo [185]
Hespderidin [186]
Carnosine [187]
Phytosterols [188]
Tart Cherry [189]
Astaxanthin [190]
Astragalus [191]
Probiotics/B. coagulans [192]
Cat’s claw [193]
Artemisinin [194]
Carnitine [195]
Genistein [196]
Amla/Indian Gooseberry [197]
CoQ10 [198]
Magnolol [199]
Echinacea [200]
Chaga/Betulin [201]
Bitter melon [202]
Mastic gum [203]
Oxymatrine [204]
Red clover [205]
Glucosamine [206]
Quercetin [169]
Rutin [169]
Myricetin [169]
Ashwagandha
Chrysin [207]
Mannose? [208]
Forskolin [209]
Molecular Hydrogen [210]
Histidine [211]
Antler velvet [212]
Emodin [213].
Danshen [214]/TanshioneII [215]
Agmatine + Zymosan [216]
Mercury – Low levels [217]
Mud therapy [218]
Drugs That Inhibit TNF
Cannabis/THC/Marijuana/Pot [219, 220]
Low Dose Naltrexone – LDN [221]
Metformin [222]
Red Yeast Rice/Statins [223]
MDMA [224]
Psychedelics/Hallucinogens, via 5-HT2A agonism (extremely potent) [225]. These include: Magic mushrooms (psilocybin, the psychedelic) [226], LSD[227], DOI [227], DMT [228], Ayahuasca [228] and Mescaline [229]
Cocaine [230]
Allegra/Fexofenadine [231]
Mizolastine (antihistamine) [231]
Bupropion (drug, Wellbutrin) [232]
Rapamycin [233] longevity drug.
Thalidomide and analogs [24] (Drug)
Monoclonal antibodies are obviously the strongest: infliximab (Remicade), adalimumab (Humira), certolizumab pegol (Cimzia), and golimumab (Simponi), etanercept (Enbrel).
Pathways To Inhibit TNF
Delta-opioid receptor activation [234]
ACE inhibitors (drugs and most herbs are) [91]
PPARy [235]
HDAC inhibitors (Butyrate) [236]
Elevated TNF and Chronic Infection
It’s possible that TNF is activated by a chronic infection. An infection can also cause lectin sensitivity. Many of the herbs should help here, but in some cases, antibiotics are more useful.

Antibiotics like doxycycline should be explored as a last resort. While Doxycycline might not work and may have some side effects, at least it has some potential benefits. Doxycycline is a nootropic, where it increases neurogenesis and reduces microglia in the hippocampus (memory center) [237] and has been found to extend worm lifespans [238]. Minocycline also increases neurogenesis in adults [239] and lifespan in flies [240].

Genetic Influences on TNF
What SNPs Are Involved in TNF?
The reason why some people produce TNF more than others is at least partially as a result of genetic predisposition.

Here are the SNPS in the TNF gene that influence this cytokine’s production on SelfDecode, a program that analyzes and decodes your genetics.

RS1041981 (TNF)
RS1799724 (TNF)
RS1799724 (TNF)
RS1799964 (TNF)
RS1800629 (TNF)
RS1800630 (TNF)
RS1800750 (TNF)
RS2229094 (TNF)
RS2844484 (TNF)
RS3093662 (TNF)
RS3093665 (TNF)
RS3093726 (TNF)
RS361525 (TNF)
RS673 (TNF)
RS909253 (TNF)
Check more information about TNF on SelfDecode
Evolutionary Reason For Different TNF-alpha Levels
In different environments, different genes are better for survival. For example, higher levels of TNF help prevent a tuberculosis (TB) infection [241] and other infections. The microbe that caused the plague was able to decrease TNF [242], contributing to its deadliness. We might not think of this as significant, but in our history, it mattered quite a bit.

With better hygiene and antibiotics and the desire for longer life, people with genes that cause elevated TNF are at a disadvantage in the modern era, even though it would’ve been useful in the past.

Skeletal remains show prehistoric humans from 4000 BC had TB, and researchers have found tuberculosis in the spines of Egyptian mummies dating from 3000-2400 BC. In Europe, rates of tuberculosis began to rise in the early 1600s to a peak level in the 1800s, when it caused nearly 25% of all deaths. By 1918, one in six deaths in France was still caused by TB [243].

In the year 588 AD, the Plague of Justinian (caused by the bacteria, Yersinia) killed as many as 100 million people across the world. It caused Europe’s population to drop by around 50% between 541 and 700 (244).

From 1347 to 1351, the Black Death (also caused by Yersinia) swept through Asia, Europe, and Africa. It may have reduced the world’s population from 450 million to between 350 and 375 million. China lost around half of its population, from around 123 million to around 65 million; Europe around 1/3 of its population, from about 75 million to about 50 million; and Africa approximately 1/8 of its population, from around 80 million to 70 million. The plague kept killing huge swaths of Europe’s population until the late 1700s and also affected China and the Islamic world, but seemingly less so (244).

Want More Targeted Ways to Combat Inflammation?
If you’re interested in natural and more targeted ways of lowering your inflammation, we at SelfHacked recommend checking out this inflammation wellness report. It gives genetic-based diet, lifestyle and supplement tips that can help reduce inflammation levels. The recommendations are personalized based on your genes.

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About the Author
Joe Cohen, BS
Joe Cohen, BS
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Curcumin: an orally bioavailable blocker of TNF and other pro-inflammatory biomarkers
Bharat B Aggarwal, Subash C Gupta, and Bokyung Sung (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3753829/)

Abstract
TNFs are major mediators of inflammation and inflammation-related diseases, hence, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the use of blockers of the cytokine, TNF-α, for the treatment of osteoarthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis and ankylosis. These drugs include the chimeric TNF antibody (infliximab), humanized TNF-α antibody (Humira) and soluble TNF receptor-II (Enbrel) and are associated with a total cumulative market value of more than $20 billion a year. As well as being expensive ($15 000–20 000 per person per year), these drugs have to be injected and have enough adverse effects to be given a black label warning by the FDA. In the current report, we describe an alternative, curcumin (diferuloylmethane), a component of turmeric (Curcuma longa) that is very inexpensive, orally bioavailable and highly safe in humans, yet can block TNF-α action and production in in vitro models, in animal models and in humans. In addition, we provide evidence for curcumin's activities against all of the diseases for which TNF blockers are currently being used. Mechanisms by which curcumin inhibits the production and the cell signalling pathways activated by this cytokine are also discussed. With health-care costs and safety being major issues today, this golden spice may help provide the solution.

[Meryl]

Dear Baby Steps.
Thank you for an excellent post re the virus. This is why Avalon Forum is my go-to for what's really going on. Well done.

[TomKat]

She compares the Wuhan coronavirus with SARS. That was contained after 8 months, but only after reaching 37 countries, infecting 8,098 people and killing 774 of them. This new situation seems more out of control already.

Speaking of SARS: "The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times"

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

[ExomatrixTV]

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[James Newell]

The 'creation' of a perfect storm. They have a bio weapon release probably done by "accident" in a very polluted part of the world (China). I can well see that 5g could be an adjunct for a virus such as the Coronavirus. Here are a few other things the terrible globalists have been doing to cities all over the world and especially in the US in the last few years. https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-24-coronavirus-perfect-storm-biosludge-open-borders-liberal-cities.html

Interesting enough George Soros predicts an economic collapse, right after the Davos meeting. What better way than to introduce a virus that helps shut down China. https://www.inquisitr.com/4918711/global-financial-crisis-looming-george-soros-warns/

[Hughe]

Poor Chinese people. If this new virus only kills Asians again like SARS did, how they will cover it up? And there are the stupid, incapable health experts who are in charge of public healthcare.

There are known cures against infections disease caused by virus. Why the medical experts do not talk about them? What are the governments doing? We simply live in two steps from the Hell.

7OEqybiGdaA

[syrwong]

It is easy to criticize the government for slow response etc., but as the mayor said in a TV interview, the situation was noval, it was not easy to determine the seriousness. Closing down the city needed the approval from Beijing too. I think once it was determined to be an emergency, the actions taken were prompt and effective. For example, Wuhan will complete two hospitals on Feb 3 to treat this pandemic, and one more soon.

Lots of propaganda at work here. It is obviously naive to say a pandemic of this magnitude is caused by Wuhanese eating bats. The Chinese have been eating wild games for centuries, and so would many other cultures. Why did it happen at this point in time? The eating of wild games is almost gone in recent years because of the depletion of wild animals throughout China, and has become illegal too. But propaganda drives many people to believe this simple explanation.

I have become aware of the role of Youtube etc in propaganda ever since half a year ago when riots started in Hong Kong. I can say, it is huge. Truth tellers are very few on Youtube compare to liars. This is to be expected, of course.

[spade]

Thanks for your thoughts, though you are talking in riddles. Could you share exactly your thoughts about what you think is the truth? Are you a CCP supporter? completing hospitals at rapid speed is non exactly re-assuring. It would probably be better to convert existing warehouses and halls into makeshift hospitals. If you feel Youtube shows propaganda - do you think the CCP through its monitored channels of Tencent, Wechat and 1688 is not feeding everyone in China propaganda?
If you don't believe it was caused by bats (which I don't) then what do you think it was caused by?

[syrwong]

This is no natural event， but it is hard to state my hypothesis when I don't have any evidence for it, but I am a believer of the truth described in Anglo-Saxon Mission. A thread of it by Bill ten years ago has now been resurrected.

[Bill Ryan]

Well, it's traveling fast. I never thought it'd reach Ecuador so soon. In developing countries, of course, it'll be MUCH harder to contain.

The last paragraph of the report is particularly interesting: estimated numbers of infected people (150,000), as reported by a Chinese nurse.


https://cuencahighlife.com/as-suspected-case-of-coronavirus-is-investigated-in-quito-ecuador-prepares-for-an-outbreak

As suspected case of coronavirus is investigated in Quito, Ecuador prepares for an outbreak

A 49-year-old Chinese man is being held in isolation in Quito as doctors determine if he is Ecuador’s first official case of the coronavirus. According to the Ministry of Health, the resident of Fujian, China arrived in Ecuador from Hong Kong January 21 showing no symptoms of the disease.

https://cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/chl-virus.png
Most Chinese are wearing paper masks despite the fact
scientists say they provide no protection from the virus.

“The infected man is now suffering from a severe cough, renal and respiratory failure and has a fever of 39.5 (103 F), so we are taking all necessary precautions in his treatment,” a spokeswoman for the health ministry said Sunday night. She added that the ministry is attempting to identify people who interacted with the man from the time of his arrival at the Quito airport and the time he was admitted to the hospital.

According to the health ministry, Ecuador’s National Influenza Research Center and the Public Health Research Institute went on high alert last week as the coronavirus spread. “We are prepared to provide testing results on the coronavirus as well as other influenza viruses as quickly as possible as the need arises,” said Maria Iglesias of the health institute. “If we suffer an outbreak in Ecuador, quick research results will be essential.”

According to Iglesias, there is considerable confusion about the extent of coronavirus infection both in China, where it is believed to have originated, as well as in other countries. “As of now, all we can do is be prepared as we await more information,” she said. Officially, China says it has identified 2,100 cases of the virus and 87 fatalities but others say the numbers are far higher. On Sunday, an anonymous Chinese nurse said that there are at least 90,000 cases and hundreds of deaths in Fujian. Hours after her first social media post, the nurse updated her estimate of infections to 150,000.

[Sarah Rainsong]

What is your (generic you) take on the following? In this latest WHO report (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200126-sitrep-6-2019--ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=beaeee0c_4) on the bottom of page 1, there's this:


WHO’s assessment of the risk of this event has not changed since the last risk assessment conducted
on 22 January: very high in China, high at the regional level and high at the global level.3

Footnote #3 states:
3 Note: Error in situation reports published on 23,24 and 25 January as originally published, which incorrectly summarized the risk for
global level to be moderate.

Is this WHO saying, "Oops, we meant to tell you before that this is really a high risk situation, not a moderate" ???

[silvanelf]

It may be just a strange coincidence, but it gives me the creeps.


Theoretical Coronavirus Simulation Predicted 65 million deaths in Uncontrolled Outbreak

In late 2019, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation co-hosted a pandemic exercise that simulated a global coronavirus outbreak. The findings are extremely disturbing in light of the current Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak, but it could give us a look at what could happen during a worst case situation.

--- snip ---

https://offgridsurvival.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-in-a-simulation-ran-just-three-months-ago/



Statement about nCoV and our pandemic exercise

In October 2019, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security hosted a pandemic tabletop exercise called Event 201 (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/) with partners, the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Recently, the Center for Health Security has received questions about whether that pandemic exercise predicted the current novel coronavirus outbreak in China. To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction. Instead, the exercise served to highlight preparedness and response challenges that would likely arise in a very severe pandemic. We are not now predicting that the nCoV-2019 outbreak will kill 65 million people. Although our tabletop exercise included a mock novel coronavirus, the inputs we used for modeling the potential impact of that fictional virus are not similar to nCoV-2019.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-24-Statement-of-Clarification-Event201.html

See also: Event 201 (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/)

[amor]

When I read of this I immediately thought of Bill Ryan's post about the Anglo Saxon Agenda. which in addition to pandemic population control would account for the Ghost Cities of China, all ready and waiting for the New World, free of excess population, etc. My vote for depopulation is for the CDC, Monsanto-Bayer, horrendous Animal andVivasectionists who operate on animals without pain killers and cut their vocal chords so that students and nazi scientists won't be distracted by their screams. I heard about this last night on Coast to Coast, Jan. 27, 2020. The person, Chris de Rose who wrote "In Your Face," tells of his crusade to stop the theft and diversion of cats, dogs, primates, rabbits, etc. to testing laboratories. Rockefeller University in New York City has such a center. The population council, also derived from the same group, is the culprit which seems to be a part of this horrendous plot on life. University Labs are all into this mess.When you appeal to the Pound to find homes for stray animals you have tried to help, it seems they send them to places to be excruciatingly tortured, cut apart without pain killers, etc. And if you inquire as to the animal's new home YOU are treated as the CRIMINAL. A neighbor and I recently helped two female cats who turned out to be pregnant, landing us with 20 kittens between them and proceeded to get pregnant again before the kittens were weaned. We put them up for adoption when they were still at the cute stage. I went to visit them and took food. We were both reviled as though we had done something wrong when I inquired as to their homes. It is time to stop this Nazi criminality in our Counties. The Commissioner's must know about it and approve it. They then expect us to vote for them the next time. People need to be aware of what is really being done. The Pounds claim they don't kill the animals. They are right, they give them away to be killed! Those who do this to the innocent are also coming for our children and for US next.

[Delight]

Jon Rappaport has a stellar record as an investigative journalist


What are the Chinese hiding in Wuhan?
Jon Rappaport (nomorefakenews.com)

"In the previous epidemics, which turned out to be duds---West Nile, SARS, bird flu, Swine Flu, MERS, Zika, Ebola---there were people claiming the virus had been diabolically weaponized, it was spreading unchecked, and THIS WAS THE BIG ONE. If they had been right, we would not be here to discuss epidemics. We would all be dead. Of course, this history of duds gives these doomsayers no pause at all. They keep predicting THE END. They have miraculously short memories." (Jon Rappoport, The Underground)

I've been investigating and writing about fake epidemics for over 30 years. One of my prime strategies: were there hidden and unreported causes that would explain people's symptoms and illnesses---causes having nothing to do with viruses? I found them. "The virus" turned out to be a convenient and very effective cover story that would obscure the true causes that important forces wanted to hide.

So I began looking into Wuhan, the center of the current "coronavirus epidemic." I was particularly interested in the one symptom that was slightly different from the typical flu symptoms from past fake epidemics: the emphasis on lung problems and pneumonia.

Here is what I've found out so far.

First of all, Wuhan, a city of 11 million, is called "the Chicago of China." It is both an economic juggernaut and a transportation hub---railroads, roads, highways connecting travelers to other Chinese cities.

Several sources list the annual GDP of Wuhan at a staggering $220 billion dollars.

230 foreign Fortune 500 companies have offices in Wuhan and do business there. All in all, 80 foreign countries are funding companies in the city.

The Chinese New Year is now underway. It lasts from January 25 to February 10. During this period, Chinse people travel. They journey far and wide. In fact, this is the largest annual human migration on the planet. We're talking about hundreds of millions of people on the move. So it's a devastating coincidence (?) that now there would be an epidemic and a massive lockdown of Chinese cities and transportation. Along with stopping people from moving around, enormous amounts of money are being lost because tourist consumers can't go on the road and spend money. This might be called a clue. It would require much investigation. Is someone intentionally torpedoing the Chinese economy?

Then there is this, from Bloomberg News, "China Wants Activists to Stay Out of Its War on Pollution. Citizen activism in the mold of Greta Thunberg is all but taboo in the world's biggest polluter," January 23, 2020:

"When Premier Li Keqiang declared a 'war against pollution' in 2014, a few hundred residents of the city of Wuhan in central China took it as a cue."

"They printed Li's words on a six-meter (20 foot) banner and protested outside a foul-smelling incinerator plant they feared was causing illness in the community. Buoyed by the conviction they were answering the leadership's call, the residents were instead harassed by local police officers who tore down the sign and trampled on it."

"'We were worried and angry when we realized what was causing the stench and making our kids sick', said Zhang Xijiao, 44, who was detained for a week for making the banner. 'But we are like ants, the local government can crush us as they please'."

"Ren Rui, 40, quit her apartment in 2017 after her son developed a lung condition that required repeat surgery. She said smoke from the plant would blow her way under certain conditions. She tried to rent it out, 'but no one wants to move here. Sometimes my mood depended on the direction of the wind,' said Ren. Despite the financial pressure since, 'I never regretted moving away'."

Faulty incinerator. Illness. Pollution. Lung problems.

Let's move on to another description of Chinese protests---in Wuhan.

CNN, July 11, 2019, "China has made major progress on air pollution. Wuhan protests show there's still a long way to go":

"...Recent weeks [in Wuhan] have seen major protests there -- in themselves a rarity in China -- over plans for a new garbage incineration plant."

"Holding banners with slogans such as 'we don't want to be poisoned, we just need a breath of fresh air,' thousands [!] of people took to the city's streets over two weeks in June and July calling for the suspension of plans to build the plant."

"'We are fearful that the plant is too close to residence area,' one protester in the city of 10 million people told state media. Others expressed concern that emissions could worsen air pollution and harm residents' health."

"Local officials were apparently surprised by the scale and size of the protests, which came after several similar waste plants were reportedly found to be giving off dangerous emissions. Photos and videos shared on social media showed large crowds marching in the streets near where the plant was to be built, and police arresting numerous protesters."

"The government has since suspended building of the plant, which locals said had halted protests, but a heavy police presence remains in the city where the situation is tense."

"Public pressure has been the driving force of pollution policy in China, and it shows no sign of letting up."

"In 2016, protesters took to the streets of Chengdu wearing face masks to demand action to tackle smog, while other demonstrations have targeted power and chemical plants in Sichuan, Jiangsu and Heilongjiang provinces in recent years."

"The Chinese government is highly sensitive to the threat of protests like those in Wuhan, with the shadow of the 1989 Tiananmen massacre looming large. Calls for collective action are among the most censored subjects online, and people organizing protests or working for civil society groups can face harassment and imprisonment."

In other words, protests against pollution in one Chinese city can inspire protests in other cities. A very dangerous situation for the Chinese government. Furthermore, it is generally acknowledged that official and corporate reports on pollution levels are being faked, to make "dangerous" into "healthy."

Grist.org, June 12, 2012, "China's smog city: What Wuhan looks like with 20 times the U.S. dust limit":

"At about 2 a.m. local time Monday morning, a dense smog began to cover the province. By early afternoon, it reached its peak density in the land-locked city of Wuhan itself...The demonstrable danger is to lungs and bloodstreams."

Yale Environment 360, April 17, 2018, "How a 'Toxic Cocktail' Is Posing a Troubling Health Risk in China's Cities":

"The foul air of dozens of fast-expanding cities across China contains cocktails of toxic contaminants unprecedented in the range of pollutants they contain at high concentrations. Now, new research into these swirling maelstroms of gases and tiny particulates suggests that they may be incubating chemical reactions that compound the health effects in ways not seen before - effects that doctors say are cutting five years off the expected lifespan of half a billion people in northern China...China has the world's most dangerous outdoor air pollution."

"Three other cities listed as regularly suffering dangerous levels of four or five of the pollutants are Jining, also in Shandong, Wuhan in Hubei province, and Jiayuguan and Jinchang in Gansu. None of the seven appear in the lists of the ten most polluted Chinese cities published by the WHO or Chinese environment ministry."

"All the five major pollutants in smogs - SO2, NOx, ozone, PM10 and PM2.5 - are known to be linked individually to increased risk of strokes, heart disease, lung cancer and asthma, and to rising hospital admissions and death rates during smogs. What is disturbing is that there is growing evidence of synergistic effects between these different pollutants that make the whole worse than the sum of the parts."

Lung disease---and no need to invoke a virus to explain it.

Getting the picture?

We have two major clues here. One, the distinct possibility of an economic warfare attack against Wuhan and, during the Chinese New Year, against all of China. And two, the use of a coronavirus cover story to obscure huge pollution dangers and put down protests against that pollution, through mass lockdowns and quarantines.

"It's all about the virus and nothing else." How many times have I seen that cover story deployed?

Too many times to count them. Wherever in the world you would see extraordinary chemical pollution, grinding poverty, war, starvation, lethal dehydration, absence of basic sanitation, overcrowding in cities, horrendously contaminated water supplies, corporate takeover of farm land from the people, the highly destructive use of vaccines and toxic medical drugs and pesticides---you see a conscious and sustained effort to CONTROL the weakened population---and you will find the virus cover story publicized to the sky as the explanation for suffering, illness, and death.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Wuhan citizen plainly tells the #coronavirus situation in Wuhan & seeks help from the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEqybiGdaA
Viking




Mod note from Bill: already posted above... many thanks (it's well worth watching), but I'll delete this in a few hours' time.

[Bill Ryan]

1221630451955195904This is the source article, which is very interesting. It was originally published on 22 Jan, and of course the reported numbers of fatalities and those who are infected are lower than today updates.

Too long to post here (and too many images), but it covers the situation exhaustively.

https://businessinsider.com.au/scientist-simulated-coronavirus-pandemic-deaths-2020-1

Health experts issued an ominous warning about a coronavirus pandemic 3 months ago. Their simulation showed it could kill 65 million people

[Ernie Nemeth]

All this high tech info is useful but it does not help the average Jane and Joe.

Another helpful tip is mucous adjustment. I once tried to explain this to an advanced yoga student but she did not find it helpful so take with a grain of salt which is also a helpful hint.

However, it might help others to know.
When we get up in the morning we often have excess mucous in our nose and throat. This is natural and part of the nightly repair mechnism of the body.

On a normal morning, it is imperative to expel this mucous without ingesting it because it is filled with what yogis cal ama, crap the body went through a great deal of effort to collect and isolate (in the mucous secretions).

When I go to the hospital I adjust my mucous secretions to a high level, just short of a runny nose. This increases my front line defense. Just like one csn learn to breath through either nostril at will, it is also possible to adjust mucous secretions.

I attribute my long-term health, with no illness at all to this one trick.

[Franny]

I hope this information on iodine will be helpful, not just in general, but hopefully with the Corona virus as well. More investigation is needed on iodine and Corona but I've not found it yet.


Iodine: A great antifungal and disinfectant against mold
by Moe Bedard

https://moldsafesolutions.com/iodine/

Iodine has been used medicinally for well over 2,000 years. Many medical doctors in the 19th century claimed it as an empirical remedy, a real ” heroic remedy” —-a true present from the science of medicine to mankind.

Nobel Laureate Albert Szent Györgyi, the physician who discovered Vitamin C in 1928, commented: “When I was a medical student, iodine in the form of universal medicine. Nobody knew what it did, but it did something and did something good.”

Many people who read the Mold Safe Solutions (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://moldsafesolutions.com/) website have issues with toxic mold illness and fungal infections. The good news is that iodine is a great antifungal. When it is directly applied directly to a mold (fungus) growing on your skin, nails, and teeth, it will kill the mold and bacteria often within 90 seconds and prevent further growth.

It will also kill mold in your body if you take it internally. I know because I have personally done this myself and have witnessed its powerful antifungal properties on numerous occasions.

But before I get into detail about the medical science behind this great mineral, let me explain the

iodine basics…

Potassium iodide (KI) is a salt of iodine. Our bodies need this mineral to function properly but we do not make it naturally. In order to get the iodine that our bodies need, we must get it from our foods and supplementation.

Most of the world’s iodine is found in the ocean, where it is concentrated by sea life, especially seaweed. It is one of several ingredients that can be added to table salt to make it iodized. If you do not regularly eat seaweed or bleached table salt like our family doesn’t, then you will need to supplement with iodine if you want to remain healthy.

But the facts are that billions of people do not get enough of this powerful mineral. The World Health Organization (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://www.who.int/features/qa/17/en/) (WHO) had reported in 2013, 1.88 billion people, including 241 million school-age children around the globe have insufficient dietary iodine intake. They said Iodine deficiency is the number one cause of brain damage in childhood.

The National Health and Nutrition Survey from 1971 to 2000 showed iodine levels had dropped 50 percent from 1971 to the year 2000. Cancer may also be caused by an iodine deficiency. A study in 1967 by the Journal of American Medical Association that found breast cancer in mice was linked to iodine deficiency.

It results in impaired cognitive and motor development which affects a child’s performance at school. In adulthood, it affects productivity and the ability to find a job. Iodine-deficient people may forfeit 15 IQ points, and nearly 50 million people suffer from some degree of iodine deficiency-related brain damage.

Our thyroids need iodine to make vital hormones. If we do not have enough, our thyroids start to malfunction and our hormones get out of whack. This can lead to medical complications such as goiter which is an inflamed thyroid gland, which becomes evident as a swollen neck.

Iodine is essential in thyroid hormone synthesis. If deficient, protein synthesis is disturbed. Thyroid hormone has two effects: increased protein synthesis and increased oxygen consumption. Thyroid hormones are essential for life as they activate key biochemical reactions including protein synthesis, enzymatic activities, and function of target organs such as development of brain, heart, muscles, pituitary, and kidneys.

As you can see from this brief summary, we need this mineral to function properly and a deficiency can cause serious cognitive problems and possibly even cancer. In 2003 Dr. Zhang showed that iodine reversed lung cancer tumors in mice.

The Iodine Medical Science

Medicinally, iodine is a very powerful alternative natural treatment for many illnesses and diseases. It is a very powerful natural medicine against harmful microorganisms such as toxic molds and other toxins that are everywhere in our environment today. It has a special affinity for the stomach, kidney, and brain when applied internally, but when used externally, it is a very powerful antiseptic and disinfectant.

Iodine can detox you from all types of toxins, bacteria, and molds (fungi) and also protects your immune system from invading microorganisms. To this day, there’s no bacteria, virus, fungus any type of microorganism that can survive or adapt to being in an iodine-rich environment.

The U.S. National Library of Medicine (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/35.html) says that Iodine is applied to the skin for skin inflammation (dermatitis) and other skin disorders such as eczema and psoriasis, to kill germs and heal wounds, to prevent soreness inside the mouth or along the digestive tract (mucositis), and treat diabetic and other external ulcers. Iodine is also applied inside the mouth to treat gum disease (periodontitis) and reduce bleeding after the removal of a tooth. Iodine can also be used as a throat rinse to reduce symptoms of pneumonia.

It is also used for treating a skin disease caused by a fungus (cutaneous sporotrichosis); treating fibrocystic breast disease and breast pain (mastalgia); weight loss; preventing breast cancer, eye disease, diabetes, and heart disease and stroke; and as an expectorant. Iodine is also used for serious bacterial diseases such as anthrax and syphilis.(1)

It is such a good antifungal and antibacterial, the Center for Disease Control (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/8_0Iodophors.html) (CDC) recommends Iodine for the disinfection and sterilization of medical facilities. Iodine is also used for water purification. NASA also uses Iodine to disinfect their water from harmful organisms such as mold.

The CDC says that it can penetrate the cell wall of microorganisms quickly, and the lethal effects are believed to result from disruption of protein and nucleic acid structure and synthesis.(2)

Dr. Sircus (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://drsircus.com/dr-mark-sircus/), an acupuncturist, doctor of oriental and pastoral medicine and author, explains how iodine (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://drsircus.com/cancer/the-end-of-antibiotics/) is so effective in killing pathogens:

“Though it kills 90 percent of bacteria on the skin within 90 seconds its use as an antibiotic has been ignored. Iodine exhibits activity against bacteria, molds, yeasts, protozoa, and many viruses; indeed, of all antiseptic preparations suitable for direct use on humans and animals and upon tissues, only iodine is capable of killing all classes of pathogens: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, yeasts, viruses, and protozoa. Most bacteria are killed within 15 to 30 seconds of contact.

Iodine kills single celled organisms by combining with the amino acids tyrosine or histidine when they are exposed to the extra-cellular environment. All single cells showing tyrosine on their outer cell membranes are killed instantly by a simple chemical reaction with iodine that denatures proteins. Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that antibiotics can’t.”

In 2006, a retired physician named Russell Davidson had a bad case of toenail fungus, aka athlete’s foot or onychomycosis. He decided to forego the typical medical treatment with pharmaceuticals due to the excessive costs and nasty side effects that include liver failure. Instead, he decided to use a $3,27 bottle of iodine and completely cured his toenail fungus.(3)

This is Dr. Russell Davidson’s story, An economical cure (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569938/), in his words:

“I am a retired physician whose left big toenail became heavily colonized by an unidentified fungus with resultant thickening, opacity and deformation. A respected dermatologist confirmed my diagnosis, but we decided not to initiate any treatment. The cost of oral treatments ranges from about $250 to $500, and there are many serious side effects.

Shortly after the consultation, I decided to undertake a trial of topical iodine. I obtained a bottle of 2.5% iodine tincture at a cost of $3.27, and applied one drop of the solution daily, with occasional lapses, to the tip of the affected toenail. The iodine traveled rapidly into the depths of the affected sufungual tissues.

After 2 weeks, a sliver of normal-looking nail appeared at the proximal end of the affected nail. Encouraged, I continued the treatment. The nail grew at the normal slow rate, and the diseased area gradually moved distally. The nail is now apparently normal.

The total cost of the treatment was $3.27, and half of the original bottle of iodine solution remains for further treatment, if required. In view of the efficacy of the treatment in this isolated case, it would seem reasonable to institute a trial with a larger number of patients to obtain scientifically acceptable results. However, blinded trials would be difficult, given the telltale color and odor of iodine. No side effects were observed in the case described.”(4)

A 1984 study had used Povidone-Iodine (Betadine) Paint to treat thirteen patients with proven fungal infections of the skin. Ten patients had pityriasis versicolor, two had trichophyton rubrum and one M. canis. In the pityriasis versicolor group, seven out of the ten patients were either improved or cleared up completely within 7 days. There were no adverse reactions in this group of patients and the material proved quite acceptable to them.(5)

Dr. Cousens from the Tree of Life Center says, “iodine’s power as a negatively charged substance to destroy all pathogens, molds, fungi, and parasites, including malaria. Iodine can be used both to effectively treat and prevent malaria.

It is the most powerful antibiotic we have, and while it is not patentable, it can help save the world from all these uncontrolled resistant infections. It is also said to be effective in treating tuberculosis. This effect was mentioned as early as June 1st, 1905 in the NY Times. As more antibiotic resistant bacteria emerge, iodine may become the “new” lifesaver on many levels.”(7)

Iodine Can Help You Detox

I was surprised to find out that it is also a great detoxifer. Dr. Gabriel Cousens says that iodine can help us detox from many harmful environmental toxins which will aid in our recoveries from toxic mold illness.

Dr. Cousens had written (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://treeoflifecenterus.com/blog-posts-by-gabriel-cousens-m-d-iodine-96-the-universal-holistic-super-mineral-2/);

“Another major health protection role iodine plays is to increase the release of toxic halogens (fluorine, bromine, and chlorine) from the cellular systems. These toxic halogens negatively impact all our organs including thyroid function. With the first dose of iodine given, we have a 78% increase of bromine discharge.

Bromine is recognized as one of the top twelve most harmful toxins on earth. (Bromine is a known carcinogen, which is outlawed in China, Europe, and much of the world except in the U.S. where it is added to baking flour.)

Bromine is found in most bakery goods in the U.S. It is also found in pesticide-laden produce, mattresses, cell phones, fire retardants, and hot tubs. We also see a 50% increased discharge of chlorine when iodine is taken. Iodine also chelates mercury, lead, and cadmium. I would hypothesize that bioavailable, active iodine chelates all positive charged toxins, such as pesticides and herbicides, in general because of its negative charge (I-).

Due to its chelating powers I suggest one start taking iodine at a slower rate because of this detox effect. It is important to start with a low dose and build up, while checking the urine for discharged toxins. These healing detox symptoms should not be confused with iodine toxicity.

This is roughly equivalent to focusing on the healing crisis that sometimes emerges when one transitions into live foods or fasting and to blame the diet or the fasts rather than treating the healing crisis as a healthy detox activated by the live foods or fast.

To stop iodine supplementation in both these scenarios is premature and derails the healing process. It is important to look beyond any healing crisis to the wellness that awaits on the other side of this detoxification.”(7)

Mold Safe Solutions Conclusion

As you can see from this extensive research, iodine is crucial to our health. Not only do we need this mineral to function properly, we need it to thrive and defend ourselves from harmful organisms such as pathogenic mold, bacteria, and viruses.

I will leave you with a quote from David Derry M.D., Ph.D., a thyroid expert and researcher, based in Victoria, British Columbia, says iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time. He had written that it is effective “for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but also iodine has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects and no development of bacterial resistance.”

Dr. Derry concluded, “There is a world of difference between using an antibiotic – anti-life substance – and an antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal substance like iodine, which is life serving because it is a basic and most necessary nutritional substance.”(6)

SOURCES:
U.S. National Library of Medicine (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/35.html)
Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that Iodine (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/8_0Iodophors.html)
Dr. Sircus (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://drsircus.com/cancer/the-end-of-antibiotics/)
An economical cure (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569938/)
The effect of povidone-iodine paint on fungal infection (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6724127)
Natural News (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://www.naturalnews.com/022800_antibiotic_antibiotics_infection.html)
Dr. Cousens (https://web.archive.org/web/20180102025820/http://treeoflifecenterus.com/blog-posts-by-gabriel-cousens-m-d-iodine-96-the-universal-holistic-super-mineral-2/)

[Bill Ryan]

A continuously live-updated "rolling" mainstream news page, which may be helpful to some.


https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-01-27-20-intl-hnk/index.html

[onawah]

Connection to 5G See:
http://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/23185/china-to-start-testing-5g-networks-in-these-cities
(Thanks to PeterPam. Article copied and pasted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1333209&viewfull=1#post1333209

[onawah]

Baking soda and iodine are both good preventative measures
See: https://drsircus.com/general/coronavirus-epidemic-should-we-panic-yet/
"“In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the ‘Flu’ with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of ‘cold,’ influenza and ‘la gripe’ by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated,” wrote Dr. Volney S. Cheney to the Arm & Hammer Company.

At the end of one of Zero Hedges articles on the coronavirus we read, “Of course this isn’t 1918 – medical technology is far more advanced. In the event of a mass infection, a vaccine could be found to save the day. But that doesn’t mean we should simply dismiss the more dire projections out of hand. This virus could still leave thousands dead before it peters out.”

These few words demonstrate how most people are sucked into the paradigm of modern medicine, which is no better prepared today than they were in 1918 to fight viral infections, and thus thousands die every year from the flu.

It is almost against the law to talk about vaccines but no one expects a vaccine to be available in time to stop the spread of this virus. And if they do surprise us with a vaccine too fast we should all smell fishy pharmaceutical shenanigans and doubt the safety of what they will produce. One doctor already had the answer in 1918, with many doctors and nurses today knowing why bicarbonate would work so effectively, but the mainstream still does not want to know. Its all part of the same insanity that is driving modern civilization off a cliff.

For Treatment Recommendations see my essay":

https://drsircus.com/general/treatment-recommendations-for-new-virus-that-is-shutting-down-entire-cities/

[Delight]

To get Chris Martenson's report on pandemic preparation, go to

https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus/

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[Eric J (Viking)]

This is a bit longwinded, but to put ones mind at rest...

BILL Sardy

YOUR CHANCE OF DEVELOPING SYMPTOMS OR DYING FROM THE MENACING CORONAVIRUS THAT NOW THREATENS GLOBAL HUMAN POPULATIONS IS O.0000017482% SYMPTOMS/O.00000001137%

January 25, 2020
My email box fills with questions: what about the coronavirus epidemic? Is death on its way from Asia to the West? There is no vaccine for this viral scourge. Will our infants who have no antibodies against this virus die? Will vulnerable and frail senior adults be whisked off in ambulances to hospital intensive care units, never to return home as they drown from fluid in their lungs (pneumonia)?

But coronavirus it is just a common cold virus.

Yep, the coronavirus is just a common virusthat infects your nose, sinuses and upper throat and produces the same symptoms as a cold. But the fear that is being spread by public health authorities and the news media would make one think the earth is in the middle of a historic human pandemic.

The Coronavirus that is menacing human populations around the globe right now is an RNA virus that is “enveloped” so it resists eradication by one’s own immune system. In a very few subjects who are immune compromised, such as patients taking drugs for autoimmune disorders (Cyclosporine, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran), or youngsters who have undeveloped immunity, or others who are old and have weak immune systems due malnutrition, they may develop pneumonia (drown in their own pus and fluid in their lungs) and be hospitalized, placed on a respirator, or die.

Just in case you are worried, out of a population of 7+ billion people on Earth, your chance of developing symptoms from this corona-shaped cold virus is ~1 in millions and for death ~1 in hundreds of millions. However, risk dramatically increases with advancing age and among malnourished populations such as in Asia where deficiencies of essential nutrients, namely zinc and vitamins C and D, are often prevalent. Modern medicine casts a blind eye at nutrition.

But regardless of what you have just read here that minimalizes the risk, health officials are beating the Coronavirus drum, with mass contagion predictedand an expert predicting this outbreak could be ten times worse than the 2003 epidemic that left 813 dead. That may only be true in a country with a large portion of malnourished people like China. The estimate that the Coronavirus will grow to 10,000 casesin the Chinese city of Wuhan (11 million population) is still a very low risk — 1/100th of one-percent.

Public health officials are pulling off another of their ruses, wearing hazmat suits, quarantining whole cities, swabbing throats of airplane passengerswho land in foreign countries after visiting the Coronavirus epicenter, Wuhan, China. Public fear is created. At this point, no one knows whether the death rate is higher than past cold and flu seasons.

Treatment but not a cure

And just so you know, there is no proven treatment or vaccine to prevent or abolish coronavirus infections. Standard treatment to allay symptoms is comprised of steroids to reduce inflammation, judicious use of antibiotics and (largely ineffective) antiviral drugs like interferon or ribavirin. Steroids reduce inflammation but deplete vitamin C. This makes it difficult to wean off cortisone.

Self-treated patients may opt for over-the-counter medicines that contain vitamin C-depleting medications such as aspirinand acetaminophen/Tylenol (a prominent ingredient in Nyquil) that depletes glutathione, a major internal antioxidant produced by vitamin C. Smokers further deplete vitamin C. Individuals on diuretics (water pills) for high blood pressure wash out their vitamin C faster. Unwittingly, under these circumstances, viral infection could get worse, not better.

Based upon symptoms, public health authorities tend to overestimate the percentage of ill patients that actually have laboratory-confirmed coronavirus. In one study, among 1460 cases of unexplained respiratory illnesses reported to the Centers For Disease Control, only 2% were laboratory confirmed coronavirus.

In the often-cited 2003 SARS coronavirus epidemic, most cases in the U.S. were attributed to air travel to the U.S. from Asia and “there was no evidence of community transmission.” Even in Hong Kong, in the 2003-2004 SARS coronavirus outbreak, only 3.4% of patients died and all were over age 65. So, age is the mortal factor, not infection itself.

The Biotech industry prays for these infectious disease outbreaks to free-up public funds to develop drugs and vaccines. Otherwise the drug/vaccine makers have to bear the research and development burden on their own.

Useless health advice

All the advice to stay away from crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands, is silly. That is because the lack of hygiene is not why cold and flu viruses plague the planet in winter months. It is just that winter months are when the human immune system crashes. The disease is lack of internal defense, not external exposure and transmission. The primary reason for this is plunging vitamin D levels from lack of sunlight as the earth tilts away from the sun in the winter solstice.

Sunshine vitamin D activates rapid responding class of white blood cells called neutrophils that literally blow up viral-infected cells.

Pray to God the virus doesn’t mutate?

While fearmongers warn the coronavirus may mutate and spread faster, and news agencies lament the stock market is crashingwhile spreading fear to attract readers and viewers. The 2019 coronavirus IS a new mutation. But some mutations actually reduce its virulence. The irresponsibility of news reports not to inform the public that any fast-mutating coronavirus would be self-limiting and rapidly “peter out” into a less virulent form.

Inflammation and coronavirus control

During coronavirus infection, inflammation, particularly in the lungs, is activated by a protein complex called NF-kappa B.

Coronaviruses activate NF-kappa-B which is the key signaling molecule that provokes the inflammationthat ends up filling the lungs with fluid. Any agent that targets and inhibits NF-kappa-B is a candidate for quelling coronaviruses.

While it is said there are no proven cures to battle coronavirus, and pharmaceutical companies attempt to develop patentable NF-kappa-B inhibitors, there are 785 natural NF-kappa-B inhibitorsthat have already been identified that include vitamins D, C& E, alpha lipoic acid, NAC(sulfur), resveratrol, quercetin, zinc, garlic (allicin), among many others, all commercially available at health shops.

Innate immunity: vitamin D

There are two immune responses in humans: the rapid innate immunity and latent adaptive immunity. The innate immune response is considered the “key regulator in the virulence of coronavirus infections.”

The earliest arriving white blood cells at the site of infection are neutrophils and are part of the innate immune system. Neutrophils comprise ~60% of the white blood cellsin circulation.

Vitamin D is the governor of innate immunity. The protective benefits of vitamin D are said to “lie in its ability to stimulate innate immunity and reduce inflammation.”

Vitamin D suppresses NF-kappa B signaling, dampens excessive inflammation while enhancing killing of viruses by neutrophils

Senior adults have been found to have 2.6 times greater risk for pneumonia between highest and lowest blood levels of vitamin D.

How much vitamin D?

Particularly in winter months, or among people who don’t get much sunshine that produces natural vitamin D, children and adults need far more vitamin D than is recommended. Due to a miscalculation, the need for supplemental vitamin D is underestimated; adults need ~8000 units/day; infants 1000 units; children over age 1 year, 3000 units/day.

The Daily Value published on the back of bottles of vitamin D is 400-800 units, which doesn’t even raise blood levels. This locks in a certain amount of otherwise preventable disease in the population at large. This is akin to allowing some pyromaniac to start fires just to show off how fast fire departments respond.

In sunshine equivalents, 400-800 units of vitamin D = ~5 minutes of midday sun/skin exposure; 8000 units = ~1 hour of midday sun/skin exposure. If you are not getting 30-60 minutes of midday sunshine, you do not have optimal blood levels of vitamin D.

Around 42% of the adult U.S. population has low blood levels of vitamin D. That figure rises in northern latitudes to almost everybody in winter months.

The liver stores about 3 months of this fat-soluble vitamin, so doctors inject up to 300,000 units for wintertime protection in vulnerable D-deficient subjects. Forget blood tests, presume you are D-deficient in winter. Don’t wait for cold and flu symptoms.

Take 50,000 units of vitamin D on the first hint of cold or flu symptoms for a day or two. Otherwise you will endure ~7-8 days of misery until your adaptive immune system kicks in and produces B in bone marrow and T cells the thymus gland to produce tailor-made antibodies against the particular strain of coronavirus in circulation

How to handle an over-responsive immune system

One of the problems with the human immune system is that it over-responds. Over-aggressive arrival of neutrophils can induce deadly inflammation in the lungs.

To normalize the immune response so the neutrophils don’t over-respond to produce inflammation themselves that then results in your lungs filling up with fluid, vitamin Dand the red wine molecule resveratrolnormalize the immune response. Resveratrol by itself is a potent anti-viral agent against coronavirus. In a lab dish, resveratrol “completely blocked viral replication even at a low concentration.”

Zinc to the rescue

With advancing age humans are increasingly susceptible to viral infection. A Harvard Medical School Health Bulletinsays: “No one knows for sure why this happens, but some scientists observe that this increased risk (with advancing age) correlates with a decrease in T cells, possibly from the thymus atrophying (shrinking) with age and producing fewer T cells to fight off infection.” Don’t believe this.

T-cells are produced in the thymus gland, located under your breastplate bone. Freshly-made T cells in the thymus will generate tailor-made antibodies against the particular strain of virus you are exposed to.

This age-related susceptibility to infection is associated with a significant reduction in the magnitude of the viral T-cell response. T cells generate a memory antibody responseand are able to clear viruses and protect against lethal infection. T-cells produce life-long immunity.

The thymus gland shrinks from the size of a walnut in youth to the size of a pea in old age. This is largely due to lack of intake or poor absorption of the trace mineral zinc.

Zinc inhibits growth and replication of RNA viruseslike coronaviruses.

The only food that contains an abundant amount of zinc is oysters. Sufficient zinc intake is only achievable from consumption of a variety of foods. Very young children are often picky eaters. Zinc deficiency is rampant among young children throughout the world. For example, studies showed 70% of children under age 5 in Vietnamwere zinc deficient and 49% in Colombia.

Zinc lozengesthat provide 18 milligrams or more of zinc gluconate or acetate (zinc acetate is the best, and don’t swallow them) can rapidly quell a common-cold virus like the coronavirus. Orally-ingested tablets, liquid and syrups are less effective. Be watchful, many brands of zinc lozenges do not provide enough zinc. Zinc lozenges shorten common colds by 6-7 days.

Coronavirus propaganda

Don’t be duped by all the fear-evoking news reports. Turn off the television.

You would never imagine public health authorities plan these epidemics. The current planned epidemic eerily follows the script of the 2011 movie CONTAGION, which shows the virus originating with a bat in China. Just like the human immune system can over-respond to infection, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control over-react to the imagined pandemic. In either case, vitamin D is the antidote. Be wary of what you read in news reports. An uninformed populace is blind. Remember, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.



https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/bill-sardi/your-chance-of-developing-symptoms-or-dying-from-the-menacing-coronavirus-that-now-threatens-global-human-populations-is-0-0000017482-symptoms-0-0000001137-death/


Viking

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Copied from Jim Humble's newsletter.

A Word on Coronavirus

Hello,

Some of you have written asking for my thoughts on the latest coronavirus which is making headlines these days.

To start, here is one definition of coronavirus:

Coronaviruses are types of viruses that typically affect the respiratory tract of mammals, including humans. They are associated with the common cold, pneumonia, and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and can also affect the gut.

News agencies report that the recent outbreak of the coronavirus in Wuhan, China is rapidly evolving and reportedly (at the time of this writing), infections from the virus have now been found on other continents and several other countries in Asia have reported cases as well.

Signs of the virus are fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath—however, it has been reported that some carriers of this strain of coronavirus show no respiratory symptoms at all. This makes it extremely difficult to detect carriers of the virus, taking into account that health officials are looking for respiratory symptoms such as coughing, sneezing and breathing difficulties. Another report said some carriers have no fever and no coughing, but instead are exhibiting symptoms of diarrhea, vomiting and chest pains.

At the time of writing this, statistics vary according to the news as to how many confirmed cases there are worldwide, as well as deaths. It has been reported that China is moving to restrict travel and schools in Hong Kong and the mainland are postponing classes. Some say the situation is far worse than what is being reported, others suggest it is a hoax.

The purpose of this newsletter is not to analyze or speculate what is behind all of this, or try to project where it is all going. As most would agree, we live in very unique times—whether you believe this and other similar outbreaks are part of a great conspiracy, or signs of the times according to Biblical predictions, or whatever other reason—I would like to say, it’s a good time to have some MMS on hand and educate yourself in its use.

MMS (sodium chlorite activated with a food grade acid which then produces chlorine dioxide) kills most of the diseases of mankind. I don't know for sure about the coronavirus at this time—but we know that MMS kills viruses as well as pathogens of all kinds and is an immune system builder. There is much anecdotal evidence that says MMS has proven very effective in eradicating viruses including Ebola, Swine Flu, TB, and other respiratory diseases. Chlorine dioxide was completely effective against Anthrax in 2001, and used by US Military for Ebola in 2014. It's been proven by the Red Cross in 2012 to eradicate malaria in just four hours, to name a few. I have been receiving feedback for over 22 years from people all around the world who have given testimony of how they recovered their health from a vast variety of disease, many life-threatening, with MMS. Therefore, I have every reason to believe it can be effective in stopping and preventing the current novel coronavirus going around today.

For more information and some important facts on MMS, as well as the history of MMS, go here:

- MMS (Chlorine Dioxide) – Some History

- Important Facts Regarding MMS

Again, I have reason to believe, MMS (chlorine dioxide), can be very effective in both preventing and eradicating the coronavirus. With the barrage of health issues in the world today, I would say, let MMS be your first line of defense. Why not be prepared for whatever may come your way? It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. The point is, we never know when an emergency or “outbreak” of some illness is going to happen. Weather it is a stroke, or a heart attack, an accident or this year’s epidemic. We need to be prepared ahead of time and not wait until it's too late. A great way to prepare is to educate yourself on MMS. The best way you can do this, in my opinion, is get the MMS Health Recovery Guidebook, available here: jhbooks.org This book is a clear and concise guide to all you need to know in order to recover health with MMS, as well as how to strengthen your immune system by staying overall toxin free. So get the Guidebook, study it, familiarize yourself with it and have MMS on hand.

Regarding the coronavirus, at this point in time if you have it, I would suggest trying MMS first as MMS has eradicated a wide range of maladies. In my own personal experience traveling around the world and helping people with many different diseases, I have to say there have been positive results at least 95% of the time. I would say those are pretty good odds. At this time MMS is being used by thousands and thousands of people in more than 185 countries.

Below are provisional steps one can take, a variation of my standard protocols and Health Recovery Plan, but something to try immediately in the case of coronavirus until you can get the MMS Health Recovery Guidebook. Here's my suggestion:

MMS must be activated drop for drop with the activator. Mix the drops in a clean dry glass, count 30 seconds so the drops can activate—they should turn amber color. After the 30 second count add 1/2 cup (4 ounces/120ml) of water, then immediately drink it down. (Do not leave this to sit for more than a few seconds, it must be taken immediately or it will begin to lose potency.) First, take six activated drops of MMS in 1/2 cup of water. Wait one hour, and then take six more activated drops in 1/2 cup of water. That may do it. You will know within two hours if it killed the disease by how you feel. What to do next depends upon how those first two doses made you feel. Follow these next directions carefully:

Step 1. If you feel better after taking the two 6-drop doses of MMS, reduce your intake to 3 activated drops in 1/2 cup of water every hour for eight hours a day, until completely well. You may want to continue this for up to 21 days to be sure you are free of disease and as an overall detoxification of the body. Always take the MMS within seconds of mixing up the dose. Any time you should feel worse when taking MMS, proceed with Step 2 below.

Step 2. Any time after taking MMS activated drops you feel worse, cut your intake by one half but do not stop hourly doses. If you still feel worse cut your intake by one half again, but continue with hourly doses. Feeling worse after taking the MMS drops such as showing signs of nausea, diarrhea or headache is actually a sign that you are ridding your body of toxins. It is called a Herxheimer reaction. It indicates you are killing the disease, but you are killing it too fast—the point is go slow enough so as not to make yourself unnecessarily uncomfortable.

These suggestions are only to get you started should you come down with a life threatening virus. You need the MMS Health Recovery Guidebook for complete instructions. There are more details and important things to know for getting well, such as do not take things that neutralize MMS such as coffee, tea, orange juice, milk, alcohol, things very high in antioxidants and so on, at the same time you take MMS doses. I wrote the Guidebook with all the details in mind, I simply cannot repeat it all here—so get the book. In the MMS Health Recovery Guidebook, I have outlined a Health Recovery Plan which gives full instructions and protocols on how to handle other illness and disease.

If you do not have coronavirus, but you think you have been exposed, you might want to take two 6-drop doses of MMS, an hour apart. I would then suggest doing the Starting Procedure, followed by Protocol 1000, as a preventative measure and as an overall detoxification of your body. And last, but not least, I recommend a daily maintenance dose of MMS for all. Full details of these protocols are found in the MMS Health Recovery Guidebook, available here: jhbooks.org

As mentioned above, educate yourself now—familiarize yourself with MMS today, don’t wait until you are in the middle of a crisis.

All the best and good fortune to you along the way,

Jim Humble

This is my disclaimer as it seems everyone must have a disclaimer now days: I have shared certain views and opinions in the above Newsletter. I would follow this information myself if I had need, but everybody has to take responsibility for their own health. I am not a doctor. I do not diagnose, prescribe, treat, or cure. I merely provide information (for educational purposes) based on my experience and the experience of others. I do not suggest anyone follow my advice without getting the advice of a qualified health professional, and then decide what you want to do about your own health. Again, each person must take responsibility for his/her own health. So, please do what you feel is best

[Ernie Nemeth]

But coronavirus it is just a common cold virus.

Yep, the coronavirus is just a common virusthat infects your nose, sinuses and upper throat and produces the same symptoms as a cold. But the fear that is being spread by public health authorities and the news media would make one think the earth is in the middle of a historic human pandemic.

So to not get the bug:


Another helpful tip is mucous adjustment. ...
When I go to the hospital I adjust my mucous secretions to a high level, just short of a runny nose. This increases my front line defense. Just like one csn learn to breath through either nostril at will, it is also possible to adjust mucous secretions.

But if you do get the bug:

Baking soda and iodine are both good preventative measures
See: https://drsircus.com/general/coronav...-we-panic-yet/
"“In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the ‘Flu’ with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of ‘cold,’ influenza and ‘la gripe’ by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated,” wrote Dr. Volney S. Cheney to the Arm & Hammer Company.


And also high doses of vitamins C & D3(careful, this one is oil soluble so can be stored in the body to toxic levels, one high dose per day or as directed), don't forget zinc and selenium for high uptake and absorption.

If for any reason your immune system is compromised, wear an approved mask when in contact with the public.

No need for fear. At this point, your odds are still far better at winning a major lottery...ten times in a row! (comparison merely for dramatic effect, no idea what the true odds are but they are massively against even becoming infected)

[James Newell]

I always get suspicious when the gov't and all the news agencies promote a story. Hate to say it but this Coronavirus is big news, problem-reaction-solution keeps coming to mind. Maybe it is a virulent strain, maybe it isn't. What does it mean for the government. It means more control over the populace. Less individual rights. You have no right to not take the vaccine. Maybe we need the NWO that can run everything so much better than national governments. That would be the solution apparently for a world disease.

So here is a few simple solutions. Don't believe the news they are usually fear mongers. That is how they make their money.

I read in previous posts( Viking had an excellent post) that people who had an alkaline body system didn't seem to get infected by the last great culling of humanity during the 1918-19 flu epidemic. A very simple method of alkalizing a body is put a teaspoon or two of baking soda in a gallon of your drinking water. Add more or less to get the ph you want.

A way to beat and hold a fever, is to go in a bathtub of cool water. Probably most die from the increase of body temperature during an illness. The body raises its temperature in an effort to kill the bug.

Enchinesa is supposed to kill viruses, same with garlic. MMS works if you can get it. He was right on about D3, that is a miracle vit.

I even know "Assists" that if you are willing to use can lower a fever. One can get hatted up fairly easy.

There are so many damn ways to stay at cause over a situation I could probably write a book on it. Maybe I should.

It is all attitude. In survival school they often teach about the story where the crashed pilot who landed safely. Shot himself in the head because he didn't want to starve and freeze. Four hours later the rescue copter came and found him dead.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a most interesting conversation between Alex Jones and Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)), on Infowars yesterday. Their 20 minute discussion includes suggestions this is a Chinese (or Deep State) bioweapon that may have been accidentally released.

5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380Source: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380

[marielle]

I watched the Chris Martenson video posted above (his update #4) and he feels that the main stream media is completely ignoring and/or downplaying the virus. I'm getting my info from Zerohedge and other alternative news sites.

[Hughe]

What do we expect from governments? None! These ****ers already ran a global Pandemic simulation months ago and disclosed it in public domain.

Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Highlights Reel
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[Delight]

This is based on laws already passed

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[Delight]

WHAAAAT

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Contaigen (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923315/Fans-movie-Contagion-point-eerie-similarities-coronavirus-outbreak.html)In the thriller staring Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow, a fast-moving mystery virus kills tens of millions worldwide as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tries in vain to stop the outbreak.

A flashback in the movie shows just how the fictional virus emerged - with a bat in China infecting a pig that was later handled by a chef who came in contact with Paltrow's character, who became Patient Zero.

With a bat now suspected as the origin of the coronavirus outbreak that began in China's Wuhan, fans of the film are now suggesting it may have been darkly prophetic.

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[Delight]

Here's a most interesting conversation between Alex Jones and Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)), on Infowars yesterday. Their 20 minute discussion includes suggestions this is a Chinese (or Deep State) bioweapon that may have been accidentally released.

5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380Source: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380

Mike Adams referenced an article I did not find suggesting the virus is a bioweapon that escaped. But I found this info. It is really weird that Wuhan happens to be the location for the kind of sophisticated lab needed......


Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
By Jon CohenJan. 26, 2020 , 11:25 PM (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally)

As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019—and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January.

Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.


Israeli Analyst Says One Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory Is Less Crazy Than You Think
Unconfirmed reports suggest the Wuhan Coronavirus may be a bioweapon developed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Author: William Ebbs (https://www.ccn.com/israeli-analyst-one-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-less-crazy-than-you-think/)

Internet sources speculate that the Wuhan coronavirus could be linked to the covert Chinese bioweapons program.
While the reports are unconfirmed, they are troubling.

Regardless of its origin, the Wuhan coronavirus is spreading around the world with confirmed cases in Asia, Europe and North America.
Unconfirmed reports suggest that the Wuhan coronavirus is a biological weapon that was either accidentally or intentionally released from research facilities in Hubei province, China. While these reports are unconfirmed, they shed light on the panic gripping the internet as the new disease continues to mutate into more deadly and virulent forms.

The Pandemic Of Our Time?

The date is January 27, 2020, and over 3,000 people have become sick with a new and mysterious illness. So far, over 80 have died and up to 100,000 may be infected in the worst-case scenario. All across social media, videos emerge purporting to show overcrowded hospitals as well as people collapsing in the streets.

In response to the threat, the Chinese government has launched the most aggressive containment effort in history. Thirteen cities have been placed under quarantine affecting a population of 35 million. It sounds like science fiction, but that is the reality of the current Wuhan coronavirus – the first major outbreak of the nascent 2020 decade.

If unconfirmed reports are to be believed, the truth could be even more bizarre.

Is Coronavirus A Biological Weapon?
The Wuhan Coronavirus is believed to have originated in a wet market located in Wuhan, Hubei province. Scientists are confident that the virus originated in Wuhan because the city is the epicenter of the outbreak and has the largest number of cases. There is some controversy about how, exactly, the outbreak started.

This is were things get weird.

Wuhan is home to several major Chinese biological research labs. In particular, the city is known for the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China’s most advanced biological research lab. The Washington Times suggests that this site may be linked to a covert Chinese biological warfare program. The outlet features Danny Shoham, who claims to be a former Israeli military intelligence officer.

Shoham believes the Wuhan Institute of Virology may be helping the Chinese military with its biological warfare program. He states the following:

Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese (biological weapons), at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese biowarfare alignment.

Shoham stops short of claiming the coronavirus leaked from the institute. Although he admits it’s possible:

In principle, outward virus infiltration might take place either as leakage or as an indoor unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility. This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But so far there isn’t evidence or indication for such an incident.

China Must Stop The Coronavirus, Regardless Of Its Origin

The Coronavirus is an accelerating public health issue that is putting the world on alert. While the Chinese government appears to be doing everything in its power to slow the spread of the deadly disease, many still question its credibility and refuse to believe the official line of events.

Did the coronavirus emerged from a Wuhan fish market? Or did it leak from a biological warfare institute? None of that matters at this point. The virus is here, and its killing people.

[Sarah Rainsong]

So basically, based on everything I'm reading here, the reports put out by WHO (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/), and some articles I've read on Aljazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/topics/events/coronavirus-outbreak.html), this is what I'm getting so far:

it's already hit at least 11 countries

it's definitely highly contagious (at least as much so as the flu) and lethal (again, at least as much so as the flu)

it definitely causes pneumonia and most likely cytokine storm

it's bad enough that a lockdown from travel has been put on over 56 million people

no one knows where this came from, though lots of theories abound

and no one knows how to stop it, because it can be spread before symptoms show

...so what does that all mean? Other than it's going to get worse before it gets better, I'm not sure :noidea:

I've kinda ended being the go-to person for health stuff for my extended family, so I'm getting a lot of questions. Wish I had better answers for them.

[Franny]

Not necessarily about Corona virus but possibly connected.

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The US government recently lifted a ban on the practice of engineering viruses to make them more deadly. (https://www.businessinsider.com/nih-lifts-ban-on-flu-mers-sars-virus-gain-of-function-research-2017-12)

[justalight]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42386&d=1580192887

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, but it seems Wuhan is not really under lockdown. The airport is still in operation and a lot of flights of major airlines go in and out all the day.

That does not really make sense to me. Does not seem to be military or supply flights only.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/wuh/departures

[Bill Ryan]

This is based on laws already passed

1221754506175709185There may not be a vaccine for months or even years. The SARS outbreak was in 2003, but there's no trialed human vaccine yet 17 years later.

[syrwong]

Here's a most interesting conversation between Alex Jones and Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)), on Infowars yesterday. Their 20 minute discussion includes suggestions this is a Chinese (or Deep State) bioweapon that may have been accidentally released.

5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380Source: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380

It is not very logical to claim that the virus comes out of Chinese Bioweapon research when the source is pinpointed to a shop in the fish market. Also is it possible to warn beforehand that a virus will escape from the Chinese Labs? China has been heavily affected by the pig pandemic which caused the main food of the Chinese to double its price and China is buying pork from the US. This is an unlikely coincidence. Perhaps they could explain it by the pig virus escaping from level4 labs in China?

[Bill Ryan]

It is not very logical to claim that the virus comes out of Chinese Bioweapon research when the source is pinpointed to a shop in the fish market.It's not my field of expertise! But I'd imagine, if I were reading a Tom Clancy novel, that a well-trained CIA or MI6 agent, of Chinese origin and disguised as a simple farmer, could easily target a small shop in a market and drop something in a pan of broth, or inject a few hunks of meat. That is, of course, if the outbreak was intentional.

Markets like that are chaotic, noisy and crowded, and so something like that might not be 100% impossible. If it mutates quickly (which we don't know yet), then that might be one more indicator of an engineered origin.

[syrwong]

It is not very logical to claim that the virus comes out of Chinese Bioweapon research when the source is pinpointed to a shop in the fish market.It's not my field of expertise! But I'd imagine, if I were reading a Tom Clancy novel, that a well-trained CIA or MI6 agent, of Chinese origin and disguised as a simple farmer, could easily target a small shop in a market and drop something in a pan of broth, or inject a few hunks of meat. That is, of course, if the outbreak was intentional.

Markets like that are chaotic, noisy and crowded, and so something like that might not be 100% impossible. If it mutates quickly (which we don't know yet), then that might be one more indicator of an engineered origin.

The main tool of conspiracy research is refuting coincidences. When two or a few unlikely events happen at the same, a conspiracy becomes highly probable. Imagine possible scenarios of different theories is also a good way. This scenario of a farmer spy is quite possible when compared with the scenario of a test tube of coronavirus escaping the many doors of a lab and arriving at the fish market unscathed.

Actually, another scenario I heard is that Wuhan hosted the international army sports event in Oct last year. The hotel an army group stayed in was quite close to the fish market, some of the men could visit the market and disperse some time-delayed agents there on the day they left.

[George]

I just watched a bit of the first episode of the "Pandemic" series on Netflix. It's promoting a global flu vaccine, available to everyone, "even those who cannot afford it". When Bill Gates showed up it couldn't watch it any longer. Would be interesting to see who funded this series. I find the timing of the release suspicious, to say the least.

[Pam]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42386&d=1580192887

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, but it seems Wuhan is not really under lockdown. The airport is still in operation and a lot of flights of major airlines go in and out all the day.

That does not really make sense to me. Does not seem to be military or supply flights only.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/wuh/departures

Just for fun, I went through the process of booking a flight to Wuhan on Feb. 1 and it was going to let me buy a ticket. Really interesting.

[Pam]

Here's a most interesting conversation between Alex Jones and Mike Adams (naturalnews.com (http://naturalnews.com)), on Infowars yesterday. Their 20 minute discussion includes suggestions this is a Chinese (or Deep State) bioweapon that may have been accidentally released.

5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380Source: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e2e32340eb93b00172d0380

It is not very logical to claim that the virus comes out of Chinese Bioweapon research when the source is pinpointed to a shop in the fish market. Also is it possible to warn beforehand that a virus will escape from the Chinese Labs? China has been heavily affected by the pig pandemic which caused the main food of the Chinese to double its price and China is buying pork from the US. This is an unlikely coincidence. Perhaps they could explain it by the pig virus escaping from level4 labs in China?

The fish market assessment appears to be inaccurate. This info is from another post on the thread.


The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

[Bill Ryan]

Checking around the most direct and accurate news sources about the outbreak, The Epoch Times (https://www.theepochtimes.com) may be the most informative and up to date. Many other news reports have this as their source. It's based in the US, but the editorial team are Chinese Americans. They state:
The Epoch Times was founded in the United States in the year 2000 in response to communist repression and censorship in China. Our founders, Chinese-Americans who themselves had fled communism, sought to create an independent media to bring the world uncensored and truthful information.
They present a whole avalanche of breaking news reports, and their own live feed is here:


https://theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-live-updates-china-encourages-people-to-reconsider-timing-of-overseas-travel-to-curb-virus-spread_3218233.html

The also appear to be several steps ahead of the WHO. This report, detailing how one "super-spreader", a hospital patient with an unrelated condition, infected 14 doctors before he had developed any symptoms at all, is instructive.


https://theepochtimes.com/details-about-the-first-known-super-spreader-of-wuhan-pneumonia_3218234.html

Taking it all together, the picture emerging is one of chaos, misinformation, poor co-ordination, incompetence, and (sometimes) deceit.

[Bill Ryan]

And here's news from Ecuador. The article is quite measured, but it sure looks like this poor man has the coronavirus. He was hospitalized last week, but they'll not get the test results till the end of this week.

That alone tells us about the time lag in real-time global numbers being updated and published.

Looking at how he traveled — a long flight from China to Spain, spending time in a transit lounge, and then another long flight to Quito — assuming he was infectious all this time (see my post #120 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus&p=1333348&viewfull=1#post1333348)), he could have passed it on to several hundred others.

And given the spread of infection in Madrid airport transit lounge, it's then in 20 or 30 more countries within 24 hours. This is what's happening everywhere right now. Flights out of China produce a kind of aerosol effect all over the globe.

If this has entered Ecuador, it'll spread rapidly. The authorities have no experience of this here, and it'd be impossible to contain — just as in any developing country with crowded markets (and buses), poor hygiene in many rural areas, and limited medical facilities.

I'm not concerned personally (I live in an isolated place, and could sit tight for quite a while if I ever needed to), but it really doesn't look all that great. There's not even any way to test for the virus here.

Here's the article:


https://cuencahighlife.com/ecuador-health-officials-await-results-of-coronavirus-tests-on-chinese-traveler


Ecuador Ministry of Health officials said Monday they are not sure when they will receive test results for a Chinese traveler suspected of having the new coronavirus. “The samples were sent to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) in the United States but we are not certain when the examine will be performed,” said Alfredo Olmedo, director of Epidemiological Surveillance for the ministry. “We expect a report 72 hours after the exam is complete so results should be in our hands later this week.”

https://cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/chl-coronavirus.pngMinistry of Health officials at a Monday press conference.

If coronavirus is confirmed, it would be the first case in South America. On Monday morning, Chilean officials said test results for a Chinese woman in a Santiago hospital proved negative for the virus.

The 49-year-old Chinese man being treated in Quito arrived in Ecuador January 21 showing no signs of illness. According to Olmedo, the man developed a cough and high fever two days later and was admitted to the hospital. “We conducted tests for other influenza viruses and these proved negative. We do not yet have the test for the new coronavirus so we shipped the samples to the CDC in Atlanta.”

For privacy reasons, Olmedo did not provide details of the man’s condition although a health ministry spokesman said Sunday night that he had a high fever and was suffering from renal and respiratory failure. The patient is being treated in a hospital isolation ward, Olmedo said, and does not pose a risk to other patients. He did not disclose the name of the hospital.

The Ministry of Foreign affairs issued a statement Monday confirming that the patient is a native of Fujian, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. He traveled by air to Spain and then to Ecuador, arriving at the Quito airport last Tuesday. “We have alerted the airline on which he traveled of the potential danger and asked them to notify passengers on the Fujian-to-Madrid flight as well as the Madrid-to-Quito flight.”

At the Monday press conference, Olmedo said that a total of 160 people who had contact with the Chinese man in Ecuador are being monitored. Chinese health officials say the virus can be transmitted before symptoms are evident.

As of Monday morning, the World Health Organization reported that 4,653 cases of the coronavirus have been confirmed with 112 of those resulting in deaths. Unofficial sources say the number of those infected is probably much higher, possibly over 100,000.

[silvanelf]

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, but it seems Wuhan is not really under lockdown. The airport is still in operation and a lot of flights of major airlines go in and out all the day.

That does not really make sense to me. Does not seem to be military or supply flights only.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/wuh/departures

It depends upon what the meaning of the words ‘zero departure’ is...

emphasis mine:


‘Zero departure’ at Wuhan Airport amid coronavirus epidemic

January 24, 2020

Following the identified outbreak of the new coronavirus in the Chinese city Wuhan, government authorities yesterday ordered the cancellation of all transportation out of the virus’ epicenter. The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) also issued a notice to carriers directing them to cancel flights leaving the airport and reduce flights into it, resulting in “zero departure” of flights out of Wuhan International Airport (WUH).

Flightradar24 shows a majority of flights by all carriers flying to and from the airport as being cancelled, although local Chinese news reported that SF Airlines flew two 757 aircraft into Wuhan from Shenzhen (SZX) and Hangzhou (HGH) to transport medical supplies to the city.

--- snip ---

https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/zero-departure-at-wuhan-airport-amid-coronavirus-epidemic/

[Bill Ryan]

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, but it seems Wuhan is not really under lockdown. The airport is still in operation and a lot of flights of major airlines go in and out all the day.Yes, it is. Here's a screenshot from flightradar24.com (http://flightradar24.com), just a couple of minutes ago.

http://projectavalon.net/Wuhan_FlightRadar24.gif

To see this in real time, just enter 'Wuhan" in the search bar. You can see the planes moving on the screen.

Wuhan airport has had 68 flight cancellations today, but flights are still leaving every 5 minutes or less.

[silvanelf]

This epidemic is becoming more ominous day by day -- emphasis mine:


Wuhan seafood market may have not been the root cause

Scientists have narrowed down the potential causes of Coronavirus to two main factors: transmission from bats or snakes to humans and a potential leak of virus from a protected facility. (https://www.ccn.com/scientists-pinpoint-2-causes-behind-chinas-deadly-coronavirus-theyre-both-shocking/)

Many virologists believe that the seafood market in Wuhan, which was closed right after the Coronavirus outbreak was publicized, was the start of the outbreak in the region.

On January 26, however, a new report surfaced and it claimed that the Wuhan seafood market may not have been the root cause of Coronavirus.

The report emphasized that the seafood market was most certainly the distribution point of the virus, but it was not the place where the virus first emerged.

Chinese virologists and scientists said in a study entitled “Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China” (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext) published on The Lancet that the earliest case of the virus was found on December 1, 2019, before the link to the seafood market was found.

13 of the 41 early cases of coronavirus also had no links to the seafood market, suggesting that the outbreak may have started much earlier than December.

https://www.ccn.com/dramatic-hong-kong-data-predicts-coronavirus-outbreak-infecting-150000-every-day/

[Pam]

For privacy reasons, Olmedo did not provide details of the man’s condition although a health ministry spokesman said Sunday night that he had a high fever and was suffering from renal and respiratory failure. The patient is being treated in a hospital isolation ward, Olmedo said, and does not pose a risk to other patients. He did not disclose the name of the hospital. from post #121 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus&p=1333349&viewfull=1#post1333349)


Although this man does not have a confirmed diagnoses, if he does have the virus this is the first time I have heard of renal failure as one of the symptoms...pretty scary.

[Gracy]

I have to wonder if this thing might be being hyped, for whatever reasons, the same as Swine Flu was in 2009.

I think the average U.S. death toll for its annual, regular flu season is around 30 or so thousand, and the kidneys can be affected by that as well. All those thousands of people die of something after all, why don't we freak out over that?

Anyway, those are my thoughts on this so far. Let's see what happens. Whenever mass media starts telling me I need to be afraid, very afraid, I tend to get suspicious.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Renal failure was mentioned in one or more of the links from before, pretty sure the Lancet report and some of the WHO reports mentioned it. It's one of the flags for me that indicate cytokine storm.

[Sarah Rainsong]

I have to wonder if this thing might be being hyped, for whatever reasons, the same as Swine Flu was in 2009.

I think the average U.S. death toll for its annual, regular flu season is around 30 or so thousand, and the kidneys can be affected by that as well. All those thousands of people die of something after all, why don't we freak out over that?

Anyway, those are my thoughts on this so far. Let's see what happens. Whenever mass media starts telling me I need to be afraid, very afraid, I tend to get suspicious.

Agreed! I try to take news reports and compare them to what I already know, just to keep perspective, and the numbers for me just aren't adding up. The numbers so far are very similar to what we deal with every year with the flu. So why all the hysteria of this? Either things are being hyped, for whatever reason, or the situation is worse than is being reported.

[pyrangello]

http://allnewspipeline.com/Coronavirus_2_Weeks_Behind.php

Has The 'Perfect Bioweapon' Been Unleashed Upon The World? Non-Symptomatic People Being Contagious To Others For Up To Two Weeks Is A Recipe For Disaster
- Remember! Every Coronavirus Map You See Will Be Up To 2 Weeks Behind

It was mentioned this morning on the news here in the states that germany may have a case of this virus in another person there that has not been to china, not confirmed yet, this is what to watch for now?

[silvanelf]

I have to wonder if this thing might be being hyped, for whatever reasons, the same as Swine Flu was in 2009.

I think the average U.S. death toll for its annual, regular flu season is around 30 or so thousand, and the kidneys can be affected by that as well. All those thousands of people die of something after all, why don't we freak out over that?

Anyway, those are my thoughts on this so far. Let's see what happens. Whenever mass media starts telling me I need to be afraid, very afraid, I tend to get suspicious.

Agreed! I try to take news reports and compare them to what I already know, just to keep perspective, and the numbers for me just aren't adding up. The numbers so far are very similar to what we deal with every year with the flu. So why all the hysteria of this? Either things are being hyped, for whatever reason, or the situation is worse than is being reported.

With all respect, I think you missed the crucial point: if the estimated 'spread rate' of the virus is as great as assumed and if the spread rate doesn't decrease -- then we have to face a nightmare pretty soon. It's a predictable development due to the mathematics of 'exponential growth'.

According to these epidemiological models, even rigorous travel restrictions will only defer the spread of the epidemic. See below -- emphasis mine:


Read’s group estimates that only about 5.1 percent of cases in Wuhan have been identified. That’s probably not because the Chinese government is covering up the data, it is simply that many people have not shown up at clinics yet due to the mild initial symptoms.

Read’s paper issues some dire projections and warnings -


If no change in control or transmission happens, then we expect further outbreaks to occur in other Chinese cities, and that infections will continue to be exported to international destinations at an increasing rate.

In 14 days’ time (4 February 2020), our model predicts the number of infected people in Wuhan to be greater than 190,000 (prediction interval, 132,751 to 273,649). We predict the cities with the largest outbreaks elsewhere in China to be Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou,Chongqing and Chengdu. We also predict that by 4 Feb 2020, the countries or special administrative regions at greatest risk of importing infections through air travel are Thailand, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea.

Our model suggests that travel restrictions from and to Wuhan city are unlikely to be effective in halting transmission across China; with a 99% effective reduction in travel, the size of the epidemic outside of Wuhan may only be reduced by 24.9% on 4 February.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/25/1913998/-Wuhan-Coronavirus-An-Update-and-its-Prognosis

[silvanelf]

It was mentioned this morning on the news here in the states that germany may have a case of this virus in another person there that has not been to china, not confirmed yet, this is what to watch for now?

It has been confirmed now:

Coronavirus: Germany confirms first human transmission in Europe – live updates (https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/28/coronavirus-first-death-in-beijing-as-us-issues-new-china-travel-warning-live-updates)

[Franny]

The US government is lifting a ban on engineering deadly viruses to make them more dangerous

Kevin Loria Dec 20, 2017, 7:03 AM

The US government is lifting a ban on engineering deadly viruses to make them more dangerous (https://www.businessinsider.com/nih-lifts-ban-on-flu-mers-sars-virus-gain-of-function-research-2017-12)



The NIH is ending a three-year pause on funding research into ways to genetically engineer viruses so they become more contagious or deadly.
This sort of work is known as "gain of function" research. It could help us prepare for the possibility that a virus like this might evolve in nature.
But some fear that there are security risks — a potential accidental release would be dangerous, and the research could be used to create biological weapons
.

Many experts think the greatest possible threat to humanity (http://www.businessinsider.com/pandemic-risk-to-humanity-2017-9) is a fast-moving airborne pathogen — a particularly deadly flu virus could kill tens of millions of people in a year.

On Tuesday, the National Institutes of Health (https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-17-071.html) (NIH) announced it was lifting a moratorium on funding research into creating a deadly virus with those capabilities.

The NIH's policy shift will allow researchers to take already dangerous viruses and genetically engineer them to be more contagious or deadly. That could mean taking a flu strain or a virus like MERS or SARS and modifying them so they spread more easily or become more fatal.

These types of experiments are known as "gain of function" experiments, since they add new — and riskier — functions to diseases.

The risks of developing powerful, deadly superbugs

Such research is controversial because of concerns that a modified deadly disease could escape into the wild and infect the public. That could happen if a terrible accident were to occur, or if the know-how for creating a deadly superbug were to fall into the wrong hands.

"Safety isn't all about machines or ventilation, it's also about human judgment," Marc Lipsitch, director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard School of Public Health, previously told Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/our-next-pandemic-could-start-from-within-2014-7), shortly before the NIH instituted this moratorium.

The NIH decided to stop funding these sorts of studies in 2014, after a couple of terrifying slip-ups with deadly diseases. In one case, the NIH discovered (https://www.businessinsider.com/unauthorized-smallpox-specimens-discovered-in-nih-lab-2014-7) that vials of smallpox had just been sitting in a cold storage room of a Food and Drug Administration lab (there are only two labs in the world authorized to possess smallpox, one at the CDC in Atlanta and another in Russia). In another case, the CDC accidentally exposed more than 75 workers to anthrax.

The moratorium halted ongoing studies in Wisconsin and the Netherlands that were working on creating mutant influenza viruses that could spread through the air. The tests were being conducted on ferrets, because airborne virus transmission between the animals closely mimics the process between humans.

Why researchers want to create pandemic viruses

The argument in favor of this research is that nature itself creates new deadly, contagious viruses on its own.

"We are coming up on the centenary of the 1918 influenza pandemic," George Poste, a leading member a group that assesses the state of biodefense in the US (http://www.biodefensestudy.org/), recently told Business Insider. "We've been fortunately spared anything on that scale for the past 100 years, but it is inevitable that a pandemic strain of equal virulence will emerge."

The 1918 pandemic killed approximately 50 million people around the globe, making it one of the deadliest events in human history. Some experts believe that if we can create these types of viruses ourselves in a lab, then we might be able to better understand them before (or when) they naturally appear.

That's why the NIH decided to allow these sorts of studies to resume, according to a statement by director Francis Collins.

"[Gain of function] research is important in helping us identify, understand, and develop strategies and effective countermeasures against rapidly evolving pathogens that pose a threat to public health," Collins wrote (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research).


Experts say there ways to do this work safely, but there are still important questions to address.

According to Michael Osterholm (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance), director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research, one of the biggest concerns is how details of this work are communicated to the public. Any release of such information comes with security risks, but the NIH review process for funding these studies doesn't necessarily make it clear how much of the research would become publicly available.

Say, for example, that a study found ways to genetically modify Ebola virus so it became an airborne pathogen.

"If [that] were the case, I don't want the public to have a blueprint on how to do it,"Osterholm said.

[Bill Ryan]

There's so much news and comment breaking about this just now, it's a little hard to keep up.

Here's a compendium of just a FEW articles today on The Epoch Times (https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china) (an excellent Chinese-American run news service, the source of information for many other news sites):


China Refused American Offer of Assistance in Studying Coronavirus Outbreak: US Health Chief (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-refused-american-offer-of-assistance-in-studying-corona-virus-outbreak-us-health-chief_3218870.html)



World Health Organization Chief Visits China After Admitting Error in Coronavirus Risk Assessment (https://www.theepochtimes.com/world-health-organization-chief-visits-china-after-admitting-error-in-coronavirus-risk-assessment_3218657.html)



Coronavirus Live Updates: US Not Taking Travel Restrictions Off the Table (https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-live-updates-details-about-first-super-spreader-made-known_3218589.html)



Coronavirus Patient Got Virus From Human Transmission: Germany (https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-patient-got-virus-from-human-transmission-germany_3218565.html)



South Koreans Call in Petition for Chinese to be Barred Over Virus (https://www.theepochtimes.com/south-koreans-call-in-petition-for-chinese-to-be-barred-over-virus_3218580.html)



China’s ‘One Belt, One Road’ is Perfect Pandemic Freeway for Coronavirus (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-one-belt-one-road-is-perfect-pandemic-freeway-for-coronavirus_3217211.html)



Hong Kong Academics Call For ‘Draconian’ Measures to Curb Spread of China Coronavirus (https://www.theepochtimes.com/hong-kong-academics-call-for-draconian-measures-to-curb-spread-of-china-coronavirus_3218480.html)



Details About the First Known Super Spreader of Wuhan Pneumonia (https://www.theepochtimes.com/details-about-the-first-known-super-spreader-of-wuhan-pneumonia_3218234.html)



Wuhan Mayor Admits Wrongdoing, but Pushes Blame on Beijing for Mishandling Virus Outbreak Crisis (https://www.theepochtimes.com/wuhan-mayor-admits-wrongdoing-but-pushes-blame-on-beijing-for-mishandling-viral-outbreak-crisis_3218297.html)



China Underreporting True Scale of Deadly Virus Outbreak, Expert Says (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-underreporting-true-scale-of-deadly-viral-outbreak-expert-says_3218207.html)



Chinese Authorities Manipulate Tally of Confirmed Coronavirus Cases by Controlling the Supply of Diagnosis Kits (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-manipulate-tally-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-by-controlling-the-supply-of-diagnosis-kits_3217914.html)



China Restricts Medical Supply Donations, Despite Dire Need During Virus Outbreak (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-restricts-medical-supply-donations-to-epicenter-despite-dire-need-during-viral-outbreak_3217718.html)


(Note: The Epoch Times allows you to read 5 free articles before asking you to subscribe. To reset that, just delete the cookies.)

[Bill Ryan]

Two other potentially important articles, the first from Newsmax and the second from the Washington Times:


Wuhan Mayor: 5 Million Fled City Before Lockdown (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/wuhan-mayor-coronavirus-lockdown/2020/01/28/id/951637)



Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines)

[AuCo]

There is an interesting article on Zero Hedge" https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harvard-chemistry-chair-2-chinese-nationals-arrested-lying-about-china-ties-smuggling

"a federal court unsealed indictments against Harvard professor and Chemistry Department Head Charles Lieber, along with two Chinese nationals."..."Lieber was reportedly paid $50,000 a month by Wuhan University of Technology for participating in its "Thousand Talents" program, and was given more than $1.5 million to establish a lab and do research at Wuhan University of Technology, according to federal prosecutors in Boston, according to WSJ."

I would not be surprised one bit if Lieber is an American turncoat. Yikes! That would hurt.

[silvanelf]

I found some very interesting remarks from an epidemiologist. About the author:


Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (Eric Ding) is a health economist, epidemiologist, and nutrition scientist at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health, and an expert advisor to the World Health Organization.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/ericding/home

Here are two of his recent tweets -- I strongly recommend to read the whole unrolled twitter thread at the link below.

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Unrolled twitter thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1221990534643929089.html

[Franny]

Time for some high octane speculation from Dr Joseph Farrell.

QUESTIONS EMERGE ABOUT CORONAVIRUS (https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/01/questions-emerge-about-coronavirus/)

JANUARY 27, 2020

QUESTIONS EMERGE ABOUT CORONAVIRUS

The coronavirus is all over the news, and apparently, on the minds of a great many readers of this website, because out of about 500+ emails from readers last week, it topped the list of "subjects" people sent me at about 23 emails with that as the subject matter by my count. And if the truth be told, I've not been watching the story that closely. When it first broke, my reaction was "another SARS" phenomenon.

But with this, there may be something more sinister lurking in the story, that something being comprised of two things: biowarfare, and timing. For example,V.T., P.T., and E.G. found articles that strongly suggest that what is happening in China may have come from a biowarfare lab:


CORONAVIRUS is a Patented Virus (https://usahitman.com/coronavirus-patented-virus/)

Coronavirus is a Patent Virus (https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

Among the speculations being advanced regarding the virus outbreak is its concurrence with Chinese astrology and the Chinese Lunar New Year, as E.G. pointed out to me in sending the article.

However, that's not what caught my eye in all of this. What caught my eye was one of those details in the Zero Hedge article that, following Mark Twain's observation about the theory of evolution, I intend to gain wholesale returns of high octane speculation for a minimum investment of fact. But the detail is there, so one might as well speculate about it. The Zero Hedge article traces the coronavirus outbreak from a Saudi patient, to the Netherlands, to Winnepeg, Manitoba, where the virus was apparently stolen by Chinese biowarfare espionage agents planted inside of Canada's level-4 National Microbiology Laboratory:


Coronavirus arrived at Canada’s NML Winnipeg facility (http://greatgameindia.com/canadian-lab-acquires-coronavirus-sample/)on May 4, 2013 from the Dutch lab. The Canadian lab grew up stocks of the virus and used it to assess diagnostic tests being used in Canada. Winnipeg scientists worked to see which animal species can be infected with the new virus.

Research was done in conjunction with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s national lab, the National Centre for Foreign Animal Diseases which is housed in the same complex as the National Microbiology Laboratory.

NML has a long history (https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadian-scientist-remains-cautious-of-new-coronavirus-it-is-very-reminiscent-of-sars)of offering comprehensive testing services for coronaviruses. It isolated and provided the first genome sequence of the SARS coronavirus and identified another coronavirus NL63 in 2004.

This Winnipeg based Canadian lab was targeted by Chinese agents (http://greatgameindia.com/canada-investigates-chinas-biological-espionage/) in what could be termed as Biological Espionage (http://greatgameindia.com/canada-investigates-chinas-biological-espionage/).

...


In March 2019, in mysterious event a shipment of exceptionally virulent viruses from Canada’s NML ended up in China (http://greatgameindia.com/canada-investigates-chinas-biological-espionage/). The event caused a major scandal with Bio-warfare experts questioning why Canada was sending lethal viruses to China (http://greatgameindia.com/canada-investigates-chinas-biological-espionage/). Scientists from NML said the highly lethal viruses were a potential bio-weapon.

Following investigation, the incident was traced to Chinese agents working at NML (http://greatgameindia.com/chinese-researchers-caught-stealing-coronavirus-from-canadian-lab/). Four months later in July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched (http://greatgameindia.com/chinese-researchers-caught-stealing-coronavirus-from-canadian-lab/) from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML). The NML is Canada’s only level-4 facility and one of only a few in North America equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases, including Ebola, SARS, Coronavirus, etc.

The NML scientist who was escorted out of the Canadian lab along with her husband, another biologist, and members of her research team is believed to be a Chinese Bio-Warfare agent Xiangguo Qiu. Qiu was the head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies Section in the Special Pathogens Program at Canada’s NML.

The article also speculates on a possible Chinese strategy for a "bloodless victory" against the West using biowarfare agents, and their cures:


James Giordano, a neurology professor at Georgetown University and senior fellow in Biowarfare at the U.S. Special Operations Command, said China’s growing investment in bio-science, looser ethics around gene-editing and other cutting-edge technology and integration between government and academia raise the spectre of such pathogens being weaponized.

That could mean an offensive agent, or a modified germ let loose by proxies, for which only China has the treatment or vaccine. “This is not warfare, per se,” he said. “But what it’s doing is leveraging the capability to act as global saviour, which then creates various levels of macro and micro economic and bio-power dependencies.”


In other words, create a deadly pathogen, release it, and then wait a while... then announce that your country, and your country alone, has the cure. Want to live? Surrender, and take our cure. The article also says something else:

The PLA is pursuing military applications for biology (http://greatgameindia.com/weaponizing-biotech-chinas-war-for-biological-dominance/) and looking into promising intersections with other disciplines, including brain science, supercomputing, and artificial intelligence. Since 2016, the Central Military Commission has funded projects on military brain science, advanced biomimetic systems, biological and biomimetic materials, human performance enhancement, and “new concept” biotechnology. (Emphasis added)

So... "Surrender, and accept our cure, and live," only the "cure" is loaded with nanobots which can be "turned on" and kill you, if you don't mind your masters and think appropriate thoughts. In that regard, it's important to recall that China's "social credit system" is already monitoring and rewarding, or punishing people to a draconian degree that we can only imagine.

But none of this is that "little detail" that has me wondering and that has my high octane speculation motor running in overdrive. The little detail is that the Chinese agent caught and expelled from the Canadian research laboratory hails from an unusual place:


Xiangguo Qiu is an outstanding Chinese scientist born in Tianjin. She primarily received her medical doctor degree from Hebei Medical University in China in 1985 and came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Later on, she was affiliated with the Institute of Cell Biology and the Department of Pediatrics and Child Health of the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, not engaged with studying pathogens. (Emphasis added)

Born in Tianjin.

You remember Tianjin? Tianjin is the city east of Beijing that had that strange chemical plant explosion a few years ago that leveled several blocks of the city... and that left a crater that had a very odd signature for an alleged chemical explosion, for it was not the flat concave crater that one would expect, but rather, a narrow and deep conical crater. In fact, the crater was so narrow and so deep that it had many - this author included - wondering if the chemical plant had been the victim of a "rod of God' attack by a space-based kinetic weapon.

That a Chinese biowarfare spy ejected from Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory hails from the same city as the first of those Chinese chemical plant explosions strikes me as more than just a little "odd", and perhaps more than just a "coincidence." As yet, I've seen no indication that anyone has investigated this strange coincidence for any deeper potential significance. So for the moment it much remain just a high octane speculation.

I don't know about you, however, but I find that "coincidence" more than just a little unsettling, because it suggests that there may be a covert "hot war" being fought right under our noses...

Houston chemical plant explosion, anyone?

Anyway, perhaps it is time for the powers that be to rethink the ease with which they allow Chinese "scientists" into their sensitive facilities. Perhaps it's time for an embargo on all Chinese students in the West.

See you on the flip side...

[Sarah Rainsong]

<snip>
With all respect, I think you missed the crucial point: if the estimated 'spread rate' of the virus is as great as assumed and if the spread rate doesn't decrease -- then we have to face a nightmare pretty soon. It's a predictable development due to the mathematics of 'exponential growth'.
<snip>


Thanks, and I definitely appreciate the links! I think I'm just looking at it a bit differently, though. I do see the exponential growth and spread. But do keep in mind that's exactly what the flu does every year. Some years are worse than others.

With the numbers that we're getting [ETA: the numbers I've seen SO FAR!], it appears that now instead of having to worry about "just" the flu, we're basically looking at another virus similar to the flu in severity but different enough so that we can all be hit with a double-whammy.

It's not good by any means.

But I actually take the flu quite seriously, so maybe that's part of the disconnect.

(To give you an idea: I have a large family. I make 3 gallons of suped-up elderberry syrup at a time, a bunch of different of tinctures, and stockpile herbs, supplements and medicines and other stuff to make sure I have enough supplies on hand to bring the hammer down quickly on whatever gets brought home.

Cause you can be sure that someone's going to bring something home when you've got your family going off to elementary/middle/high schools, the university, the office, the warehouse, and to work at the grocery store ... and then ALL of them end up coming home to share whatever they've picked up. :facepalm:

On top of that, I come from a large family, all of which live nearby, so I get asked a lot for recommendations (and remedies) to fight whatever's going around.)

My family actually stays pretty healthy, but part of that is because I take things like the flu seriously. The flu kills. It can knock you out of commission for weeks. It doesn't have to, though.

[And, not to rabbit-trail too much, there's a lot more out there than just the flu. Equine encephalitis jumping to humans, for instance. My oldest is working at a warehouse to put himself through farrier school. He was at the school when those reports started circulating.

The flu just works as a good comparison.]

So what I'm seeing so far, even with exponential spread, is not something WORSE than the flu. Maybe it is, and I'm not discounting that. Which is why I'm spending so much time studying and watching the news and reading reports!

However, bad does not equal apocalyptic, and spread does not equal severity. And I'm really watching the severity. Out of those that get infected, how many actually get sick enough to miss work? how long are they sick? how severe (is hospitalization needed)? how many people die?

We really don't have that information, IMO, because we're not being given the full story. We can only conjecture based on what we are given.

[justalight]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42386&d=1580192887

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, but it seems Wuhan is not really under lockdown. The airport is still in operation and a lot of flights of major airlines go in and out all the day.

That does not really make sense to me. Does not seem to be military or supply flights only.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/wuh/departures

Just for fun, I went through the process of booking a flight to Wuhan on Feb. 1 and it was going to let me buy a ticket. Really interesting.

This seems to be really odd, thanks a lot!!!!

Just had a look at the Wuhan airport page and they have a live departure and arrival page. Looks like there is usual traffic.

https://www.wuhan-airport.com/arrivals.php

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42387&d=1580247035

[pyrangello]

The great thing about the internet is that we have all the access to the infinite information we want, the downside to the internet is we can overload on information above and beyond the call as we have to police the information out there in order to feel right passing it on , which is overwhelming at times when there are so many unknowns . This was exactly why I shut off my cable tv and refuse to have a computer at home. I did speak to a friend that knows someone from china living here in the states. He did confirm there are quarantines happening in all those cities. He did also convey to me that China deals with situations much different than other countries including releasing information. So now we sit and wait and let the clock tick for the next shoe to drop closer to us at home. I tried to convey to a buddy of mine today to maybe do little precautionary things, Hell I would have been better off telling my dog a bedtime story. At least my dog would have wagged his tail the entire time. Seeing the flight schedule for going in and out of china is another one of those doesn't make any sense does it? Especially out of Wuhan and with all the quarantines? I am going to pause and have a cup of hot tea and regroup.

[muxfolder]

I think it's much worse than the Chinese government is admitting. Why is it that millions of people are guaranteed?





Moderator note from Bill. I assume that was a typo. Did you mean "quarantined"?


EDIT:: That's exactly what I meant Bill.

[Sarah Rainsong]

K16x3xcCK-c

[Bill Ryan]

K16x3xcCK-cNo-one's acting here. This is how serious it really is. And that was published 5 days ago. It's pretty harrowing. He's talking to a government official.

Translation by Lu Kanlu (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0oOw218X2sdjWZrrYAgcKw), in the YouTube comments:

~~~
"Who doesn’t want to go home and be with their family for lunar new year? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! Organize an overload of work on our timetable yet still FINE us for not starting work on time! What do you want from us! Look at all these patients! No! Don’t we want to rest and survive? Look at it yourself! Seriously, what do you want?"

The nurse comes in and tries to offer comfort, while the doctor continues over the phone.

“No. You guys need to come and remove, one by one, the bodies on the floor." Long pause. "Fine. Tell others, don’t do it because it's inconvenient and then tell me to f*ck off and go home. You go tell them that.” Long pause. “NO. I'M NOT TRYING TO RUN AWAY. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PATIENTS. WHAT DO WE DO??”

The nurse comes in: “Tell the superintendent of the hospital to come and look.”

Doctor replies to the nurse, “The superintendent to come here?”, pushes the nurse away whilst the nurse continues, “We can let our colleagues go and...” interrupted by the cameraperson (nurse?), “Doesn’t work… I tried already…. what? I don’t know which one is the superintendent of the hospital. I tried already. I’ve even called the FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH mayor service number.”

Long silence until the doctor continues over the phone, “NO. WE DON’T NEED DOCTORS. WE DON’T NEED DOCTORS. WE HAVE DOCTORS HERE. I can say that loudly with pride!"

[Sarah Rainsong]

Thanks, Bill! I guess I didn't scroll far enough in the comments to see that

[yuhui]

1. Referencing this article: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext

"A rather unexpected finding from the lung CT scan of patient 5, which was done on the insistence by the nervous parents,also showed ground-glass pneumonic changes. Patient 5 was later confirmed virologically to have an asymptomatic infection."
There are several cases showing people with no symptoms at all but their family members are infected by them.
That's why so far there is no effective screening methods.

2. A patient went to the doctor in #Burnaby/#Vancouver, he went to 3 lower mainland hospitals & doctors sent him home and he was later diagnosed with coronavirus when he went back to Shanghai.
Source: https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1221995022297583617

I know currently there aren't so many cases outside china, but it really seems people are not taking it seriously.

[Stardad]

It seems to me that the major city population reduction predictions from Wnlight in the Earthchanges thread have more plausibility now with the manifestation of this new retrovirus!

We should all revisit this thread and take into account this variable!

[Ben]

Epoch Times article about Chinese crackdown on anyone spreading 'rumours' about the outbreak, and the concequences of doing so (imprisonment).


https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-issues-harsh-warning-to-silence-social-media-postings-on-wuhan-pneumonia_3219251.html


I'm wondering why the Chinese governmet are clearly acting upon, and saying things, that clearly depict a horrendous situation, whilst simultaneously telling people to keep quiet about the severity of it. (basically telling the world that what's happening is dire, and attempting to shut up those who confirm this).



If it's that serious, then why not let all the available info out?


That might seem like a naive question, but i'm racking my brains trying to figure out the possible motives behind the information we are being told (and not told) about this.

[syrwong]

I think it's much worse than the Chinese government is admitting. Why is it that millions of people are guaranteed?





Moderator note from Bill. I assume that was a typo. Did you mean "quarantined"?


EDIT:: That's exactly what I meant Bill.

Chinese academician Prof. Zhong who renowned in containing the SARS virus 20years ago said the pandemic would peak in two weeks. An estimate by a Hong Kong University professor put it in April. The worst estimate is 60 million deaths and lasting two years from a computer simulation at Hopkins University.

[Delight]

Epoch Times article about Chinese crackdown on anyone spreading 'rumours' about the outbreak, and the concequences of doing so (imprisonment).


https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-issues-harsh-warning-to-silence-social-media-postings-on-wuhan-pneumonia_3219251.html

............. i'm racking my brains trying to figure out the possible motives behind the information we are being told (and not told) about this.

I am unable to make logical sense of much of what I am reading/hearing. This scientist mentioned in an earlier post is calling for a Global Emergency declaration.

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To date, there have been five such public health emergencies declared by WHO: the 2009 H1N1 “swine flu” pandemic, a 2014 declaration following the resurgence of wild poliovirus, the 2014 West African Ebola epidemic, the Zika emergency of 2015-16, and, after much deliberation, the 2018-19 outbreak of Ebola in Kivu.January 28, 2020
Coronavirus: Why Hasn't the World Health Organization Declared a Global Emergency?
Should we raise the alarm?

by Tom Solomon (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/coronavirus-why-hasnt-world-health-organization-declared-global-emergency-117556)

I am confused about quarantining whole cities but continuing to send out flights of any kind?
I am confused (NOT) by propaganda that now says "Worried about coronavirus? Get Your Flu shot" pooping up.
I am confused by reports that this is a fast mutating RNA virus but other reports calling for/claiming made one but not tested/ vaccine development (won't they be outdated by the time they are developed"

Generally I am now going to wait before I panic.

[muxfolder]

A lot of the "leaked videos" from China I've seen so far, seem to be quite realistic, not at all played by horrible crisis actors. Crying doctors/staff at hospitals, dead people on the corridors, soldiers with guns trying to stop people leaving areas that are contaminated. So China might not be telling us the truth at all. It's probably much worse than being told. Then again, why would any of the governments tell anything at all if there was an outbreak like this? This might actually be some sort of biological weapon. Or they might be testing it.

[Delight]

Facebook, Twitter scramble to stop wacky coronavirus conspiracy theories
By Christopher Carbone, Fox NewsJanuary 28, 2020 (https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/facebook-twitter-scramble-to-stop-wacky-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories/)The coronavirus’ rapid spread worldwide is forcing Big Tech to confront the equally viral proliferation of misinformation — in the form of outright falsehoods and half-truths about the outbreak.

Facebook, Google and Twitter have all struggled in different ways to contain medical misinformation, in particular around vaccines, in recent years. The Silicon Valley mainstays face a potentially much bigger challenge as coronavirus spreads across the world, having already infected 2,800 people in China and killed at least 82.

The Washington Post reports that Facebook and its fellow social media companies have been fighting a range of conspiracy theories, including that the US government secretly created or obtained a patent for the illness.

“Oregano Oil Proves Effective Against Coronavirus,” read one post that had reportedly been shared across multiple groups on Facebook by Monday.

According to scientists, there is no such cure for the virus.

Facebook confirmed to the Washington Post on Monday that its partner organizations have issued nine fact-checks in recent days pertaining to several false and fake posts about coronavirus — the company labels the inaccuracies and lowers their rank in users’ daily feeds.

“This situation is fast-evolving and we will continue our outreach to global and regional health organizations to provide support and assistance,” Facebook spokesman Andy Stone said in a statement to the newspaper.

Twitter has reportedly been steering users toward more credible sources when they search for coronavirus-related hashtags.

“It’s captivated the public and been trending on social media as people look for more information,” Renee DiResta, research manager at Stanford Internet Observatory, told the publication in an interview.

“So, the platforms should certainly be putting their fact-checking and algorithmic downranking of conspiracy content to work here.”

Last year, Google tweaked its algorithms to prevent a large amount of harmful content from surfacing in search results. However, as the Washington Post reports, several videos were on the platform that promote dubious information about coronavirus.

A spokesperson for YouTube told the Washington Post the company is “investing heavily to raise authoritative content on our site and reduce the spread of misinformation on YouTube.”

Based on my recent observations, any DISS Information vote from Google means the opposite. GET THAT OIL OF OREGANO now and survive viral infections.

Corona virus is repsonsible for the common cold but apparently the one in question has some really strange changes. That does not sound natural?


ORIGANUM VULGARE (http://hyssophealth.com/pages/life-sciences/origanum-vulgare.php)

Considered the leading authority on the uses of the oil of oregano, Dr. Cass Ingram’s book, The Cure is in the Cupboard, describes the oil of oregano as “one of those rare substances that can alter the course of history. It possesses dependable anti-infective powers; in other words, if a contagious infection develops, oil of wild oregano is one of the few substances known that will produce consistent positive results.”

Dr. Ingram’s book also reports that the oil was tested against aggressive germs, including the cold, flu and even bird flu viruses. In all cases the wild oregano oil destroyed the viruses. In tissue culture the wild oregano oil virtually completely destroyed the human coronavirus, a 99.9% kill, in a mere 20 minutes. The coronavirus is the microbe responsible for nearly 50% of the infections diagnosed as the common cold or pneumonia and is solely responsible for SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). The destruction of the influenza A and bird flu viruses was nearly as complete, a 99% kill. This is an impressive result, which has never been achieved by any drug.

Christopher Brown, M.D., formerly with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), reviewed the extensive literature on the oil of oregano’s ability to eliminate a host of bacteria and viruses and developed studies to confirm or deny origanum vulgare’s efficacy in eliminating P. acnes. When the results of these tests were conclusive that it had a definitive effect on P. acnes, Dr. Brown designed a series of laboratory tests to be conducted to measure the effects of oil of oregano on Pseudomonas, Staphylococcus, MRSA and P. acnes.

His research results showed that the oregano-based compounds outperformed the best of traditional antibiotic medications, demonstrating the capacity to destroy the bacteria.

His results are substantiated by the results reported and published by many research institutions nationally and internationally.


Oregano Oil Proves Effective Against Coronavirus
Tuesday, 01 December 2009 19:00
By Staff Writer - Vol. 4, No. 4. Winter, 2003 (https://holisticprimarycare.net/topics/topics-h-n/infectious-disease/117-oregano-oil-proves-effective-against-coronavirus.html)
Oil of oregano may prove to be a valuable ally against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

A recent in vitro study indicates that the essential oil of this medicinal herb can destroy human coronavirus, thought to be the pathogen responsible for SARS, and completely stop its replication within 20 minutes of exposure.

The study was conducted by Dr. M. Khalid Ijaz, of Microbiotest, an independent microbiological testing lab in Sterling, VA. Dr. Ijaz incubated human coronavirus in MRC-5 cell lines with Oreganol P73, an olive-oil preparation of wild oregano, and with Oregacillin, a combination of wild oregano, wild sage, wild cumin and wild cinnamon oils. Both products are made by Physician's Strength/North American Herb and Spice, a company that specializes in medicinal essential oils from the Mediterranean.

The oregano oil alone reduced viral titers from over 5 million particles per ml at baseline, to 167 particles per ml within 15 minutes. At 20 minutes, the titers were down to 150 particles per ml. The Oregacillin combination reduced titers from over 5 million, to 133 particles per ml in 15 minutes. Within 20 minutes, they were reduced to non-detectable levels. The investigators noted that both preparations were able to halt viral replication within the host cells.

The in vitro findings need to be confirmed in human clinical trials, but they are compelling in that they show that oil of oregano, alone and in combination with other essential oils, have unequivocal virucidal and virustatic effects. Both Oreganol P73 and Oregacillin are available from Physician's Strength (800-243-5242).

[syrwong]

Epoch Times article about Chinese crackdown on anyone spreading 'rumours' about the outbreak, and the concequences of doing so (imprisonment).


https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-issues-harsh-warning-to-silence-social-media-postings-on-wuhan-pneumonia_3219251.html


I'm wondering why the Chinese governmet are clearly acting upon, and saying things, that clearly depict a horrendous situation, whilst simultaneously telling people to keep quiet about the severity of it. (basically telling the world that what's happening is dire, and attempting to shut up those who confirm this).



If it's that serious, then why not let all the available info out?


That might seem like a naive question, but i'm racking my brains trying to figure out the possible motives behind the information we are being told (and not told) about this.

The problem is there are really many disinformations and lies spreading all over Chinese social media. That would cause much panic in the population which the Chinese government doesn't want. I witnessed the extreme use of rumors and lies against the government during the riots in Hong Kong (which the western media reported most). I can say it is very undesirable.

Media has many sides. On one hand, it is freedom of speech, people's right to information. On the dark side, it is a weapon that can topple any imperfect government without a single bullet. But is there a perfect government?

[Tangri]

Coronaviruses are divided into four groups, as shown below:

Alpha
Canine coronavirus (CCoV)
Feline coronavirus (FeCoV)
Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)
Porcine epidemic diarrhoea virus (PEDV)
Transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV)
Human Coronavirus NL63 (NL or New Haven)
Beta
Bovine coronavirus (BCoV)
Canine respiratory coronavirus (CRCoV)—Common in SE Asia and Micronesia
Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)
Mouse hepatitis virus (MHV)
Porcine haemagglutinating encephalomyelitis virus (HEV)
Rat coronavirus (Roy). Rat Coronavirus is quite prevalent in Eastern Australia where, as of March/April 2008, it has been found among native and feral rodent colonies.
(No common name as of yet) (HCoV-HKU1)
 Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV)
Gamma
Infectious bronchitis virus (IBV)
Turkey coronavirus (Bluecomb disease virus)
Pheasant coronavirus
Guinea fowl coronavirus
Delta
Bulbul coronavirus (BuCoV)
Thrush coronavirus (ThCoV)
Munia coronavirus (MuCoV)
Porcine coronavirus (PorCov) HKU15

On Jan. 7, Chinese authorities identified the cause of the disease as a new kind of coronavirus, a family of viruses that cause less serious diseases like the common cold, but also more lethal diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS, and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS. Chinese authorities have so far reported that laboratory tests ruled out SARS and MERS as the cause.

Though it was initially thought that the outbreak was limited to animal-to-human transmission, Chinese officials on Jan. 20 confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission, with two patients in Guangdong catching the virus from infected family members and some medical staff also testing positive for the virus, according to state media.
Altough there is a popular side of opinion to bend fact , such as " genetically modified new generation" for pharmaceuitical profit does not fit in this case.

It is more serious than the common cold but less serious than SARS. If depopulation idea was in effect they would combine it with airborne type.

[Delight]

Talking about vaccines

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[Tangri]

Talking about vaccines

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Then they can make common cold vacciness if they can sell.

[Ben]

I just had a thought that this is like a false flag event, say 9/11, that is normally reported with a BANG of conflicting information, that the alternative community is then left to pick through in order to find a semblance of truth.


This seems to me the same, only the information is being released in an ongoing, rolling sort of way, that has everyone in a constant state of confusion and second guessing.


I don't recall a situiation quite like this in my lifetime.



The game is afoot perhaps?


@Delight, i'm not panicking either, just gonna stock up on the various preventatives mentioned in this thread.


I do have some spare bottles of MMS if anyone in the UK feels they need them (not likely to get through international checks). I would only ask for the postage costs. PM me.

[DeeMetrios]

Only a few hours ago , I heard on the Australian ABC tv channel that a Corona virus was made in the lab by Australian scientists & thus they can begin work in making the vaccine .
Sorry i have no links posted .
cheers


Just found one ...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australian-scientists-create-lab-grown-version-of-deadly-coronavirus-paving-way-for-vaccine

[Craig]

also this

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/australian-scientists-grow-coronavirus-in-a-laboratory/news-story/e4b20ced324b6fbec99402ce2255b873

but being news.com.au be wary of what you read as the site is fast becoming like the traditional gutter presses of yore

[Mypos]

I just had a thought that this is like a false flag event, say 9/11, that is normally reported with a BANG of conflicting information, that the alternative community is then left to pick through in order to find a semblance of truth.


This seems to me the same, only the information is being released in an ongoing, rolling sort of way, that has everyone in a constant state of confusion and second guessing.


I don't recall a situiation quite like this in my lifetime.



The game is afoot perhaps?


@Delight, i'm not panicking either, just gonna stock up on the various preventatives mentioned in this thread.


I do have some spare bottles of MMS if anyone in the UK feels they need them (not likely to get through international checks). I would only ask for the postage costs. PM me.

Really? There have been much situations like this one in the last decade or so with different virusses. It all turned out to be much more scaremongering then actual pandemics. I believe this will be the same.

[sunwings]

A video of how the inside of Wuhan Hospital looks like.

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This medical professional´s conversation shows the problem is far far worse than imagined.

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Conspiracy time!

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The Simpsons strike again!

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[Gracy]

I like the even keeled approach that GlobalResearch takes on things. For instance:


In the US:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/5701932

15 million cases, already, and just in the U.S. alone!!!

Would msm have the entire world freaking out, afraid to move, if Corona Virus were to attain numbers even a small % of this? This event that happens every year?

This is a rhetorical question.



The common flu virus will infect millions across the globe. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. This is not to downplay the Wuhan coronavirus flu, or to give it its medical name, 2019-nCoV.

The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization
In the US:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)

China’s Coronavirus

Keeping track of Wuhan virus figures is difficult, not least because of the two-week incubation period. The coronavirus outbreak, which is concentrated in Wuhan, a major transport hub in central eastern China, has so far killed 56 and infected almost 2,000.

The initial symptoms of coronavirus are typically similar to those of a cold or flu, which means it is hard for people to know if they are infected, especially given that the outbreak has coincided with flu season. The mayor of Wuhan said on Sunday evening that he expected another 1,000 or so new cases. But the National Health Commission in Beijing said the number of people currently under medical observation for the virus is 30,453. This raises immediate questions about how and where they are being observed.

Coronavirus Outbreak, a Global Public Health Emergency?

The response to the outbreak has been criticized with people complaining that announcing restrictions hours before they could be properly implemented allowed people to evade quarantine. The strict restrictions also risk causing resentment and distrust of authorities and the health messages they deliver.

A massive construction effort is being undertaken in Wuhan to build a 1,000-bed hospital for the virus patients.

In the past week, the number of confirmed infections has more than tripled and cases have been found in 13 provinces in China, as well as the municipalities Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing and Tianjin. The virus has also been confirmed in Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, Nepal, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, the United States, and Vietnam.

The virus seems to have a 3 percent mortality rate. However, this could be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.

Consequently, it is difficult to gauge just how contagious it is. A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for the new coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.

The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.

Apart from the obvious health concerns, there is a political dimension. Some countries, including the US, France, Australia and Japan have suggested that they want to evacuate their citizens from Wuhan and nearby areas. Just how this would take place is unclear.

Images of foreigners being airlifted or bussed out of Wuhan, while Chinese citizens remain, could see passions rise. At the very least, it will appear that there is special treatment for foreigners.

The streets of Beijing this morning are eerily quiet. Residents of the capital would normally be celebrating Chinese new year, the year of the rat, that started on Saturday, by attending temple fairs.

All such fairs have been cancelled. Apart from the family fun on offer at the fairs, they provide a setting where families can pay homage to deceased relatives. Fake money and food would be burnt to appease the spirits of the deceased and ensure good health prosperity for the year ahead.

There is no anger on the streets but a sense of confusion and apprehension. This coming week should see hundreds of millions of people return from the hometowns where the celebrated the new year to their cities of work.

A clearer picture will then emerge of the scale of the problems facing the authorities.
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Copyright © Tom Clifford, Global Research, 2020

[Bill Ryan]

This medical professional´s conversation shows the problem is far far worse than imagined.

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It really does. I transcribed it, and it was tough even to do that. It's VERY poignant. Do read it carefully, and post this elsewhere.

The tweet has had 231 views (so far). It deserves 231,000.

~~~

I have been working all day long Now I am off duty.
I took off around 4 pm.
I have been crying my eyes out.
Indeed, the infection is much more horrible than it’s reported on TV.
There are so many cases.
Doctors have estimated about 100,000 infected.
We have more than ten doctors here
and each doctor has treated more than 100 infected people in just one day.
Many of them will not make it.
No hospital beds
Their relatives complained and insisted on being treated in our hospital
as they quoted the government’s promise
the hospital should treat those infected with the coronavirus.
However, the government didn’t support us with medical supplies.
We don’t have enough resources to hospitalize patients.
It won’t work if the situation worsens like this.
We’ve been slammed all day long and we are all breaking down.
We cannot take it any more.
The patients were begging us desperately, but we couldn’t do anything.
They are dying right in front of our eyes.
Therefore, please take every measure to protect yourselves at home.
Don’t EVER trust the government.
We are on our own now.

[Pam]

Summary of tweets regarding virus from Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding. Thanks silvanelf for your research on this topic, much appreciated.


9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) 🧬 has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.

[Pam]

Talking about vaccines

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I wonder if this is the event that brings us a worldwide mandatory vaccine dictate?

[Sarah Rainsong]

This is a good explanation of those R0 numbers:

The Atlantic: The Deceptively Simple Number Sparking Coronavirus Fears: Here’s what the oft-cited R0 number tells us about the new outbreak—and what it doesn’t. (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/01/how-fast-and-far-will-new-coronavirus-spread/605632/)

[Pam]

Although I find the virus really interesting, my bigger interest is why it is being promoted by MSM media the way it has been. This video provides some potential answers.

My personal, intuitive belief is that this is the big setup to mandate vaccines for everyone. Bill Gates is on record for referring to vaccines as a method of population control.


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[AuCo]

China is in short supply of face masks. The irony is face mask was not too long ago banned in Hong Kong during the protest. All that money spent on the facial recognition surveillance network and now this.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Something to think about as this virus spreads:

Forbes: This Inexpensive Action Lowers Hospital Infections And Protects Against Flu Season (https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahbinder/2019/10/17/harvard-researcher-says-this-inexpensive-action-will-lower-hospital-infection-rates-and-protect-us-for-the-flu-season/#7179b7cc1824)

The one factor most associated with infection was (drum roll): dry air. At low relative humidity, indoor air was strongly associated with higher infection rates. “When we dry the air out, droplets and skin flakes carrying viruses and bacteria are launched into the air, traveling far and over long periods of time. The microbes that survive this launching tend to be the ones that cause healthcare-associated infections,” said Taylor. “Even worse, in addition to this increased exposure to infectious particles, the dry air also harms our natural immune barriers which protect us from infections."

Someone upthread (I think) suggested oil of oregano in a diffuser. A cool mist diffuser with essential oils could really help guard against spread and help protect you!

How to Use Oregano & Oregano Oil for Improved Health (https://wellnessmama.com/8409/oregano/) <-- includes the differences between oregano oil, oregano essential oil, and oil of oregano

I also really like red thyme oil in a diffuser when fighting illness. It has very strong antimicrobial properties as well.

[syrwong]

There is always the possibility of a hoax. I got this message on WhatsApp today with picture,

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The caption is : "Like in Wuhan, three men fell unconscious in MTR station. One in xxx, two in yyy". It looked quite real to the frightened Hong Kong people. Why would anyone send a false information like that? Nothing happened in Hong Kong today apart from an old couple is suspected of the coranavirus infection. These hoaxes appear not to have any motive.

A very realistic one can still be created, like a video hoax. I am in Hong Kong, I have some knowledge of the situations in neighbouring zones. There is definitely a highly tensed atmosphere in Shenzhen and Zhuhai. Very few people in the streets. Many shops remain closed after the Chinese New year holidays, it is obligatory to wear masks in the streets. School holidays extended a week and awaiting further instruction. The working day officially pushed back to next Monday etc. The atmosphere is a lot more relaxed in Hong Kong, many people go out, Quite many do not wear masks and many shops are open.

So far there are 8 confirmed cases in HK and 7 in Macau. 7 of the 8 are in stable conditions, only one is serious or critical. This figure 8 has remained a few days now. So it may not be very serious. You get the very different pictures of Wuhan, depending on whether you watch the Chinese official report everyday, or you find out things in WhatsApp or Facebook.

Professor Zhong who is very well known in China because of his insistence correctly of not treating SARs with antibiotics stated in a TV interview that the virus will reach peak in two weeks. I am not getting the true picture of the situation, and I suspect that most people in foreign countries are getting a great distortion of events.

I am not saying the video is a production, it looks real to me too. But always be aware that there is more disinformation than truth on the internet.

[anandacate]

Federal Indictment Unsealed
January 28, 2020

In a shocking revelation made Tuesday afternoon – a revelation that will almost certainly rattle the US-China relationship at an already fragile time – a federal court unsealed indictments against Harvard professor and Chemistry Department Head Charles Lieber (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harvard-chemistry-chair-2-chinese-nationals-arrested-lying-about-china-ties-smuggling), along with two Chinese nationals.

https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/01/28/federal-indictment-unsealed/
(https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/01/28/federal-indictment-unsealed/)

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[Delight]

A video of how the inside of Wuhan Hospital looks like.

1221445589428101120

This medical professional´s conversation shows the problem is far far worse than imagined.

1221911704025665536

Conspiracy time!

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The Simpsons strike again!

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I know this may be off topic but these continued coincidences that correlate when BIG EVENTS happen make wonder if it's proof we are living in a simulated reality? fiction and fact colliding continues to be so bizarre.... racoon and cornona. I am concerned that this will push the mandatory global vaccine agenda. But what can we do to STOP that? People seem to believe this is really a pandemic. I am so confused. But not about one thing.... We really are on our own if this is real. Government actions will be draconian mistakes IMO.

[Bill Ryan]

People seem to believe this is really a pandemic. I am so confused.I think it really is. The reports coming out of China on social media are all too disturbingly real.

What we see that can feel so confusing seems to me to be a mixture of


genuine (and heroic) attempts to take action
complacency and slow response (e.g. the WHO)
incompetence and confusion on the ground (the 'fog of war')
cover-ups of government failings (maybe not only China)
(possibly) an agenda to take advantage of this (or even having created it): for instance, a strategy to crash the global economy, speed the onset of a world government, and (if the US economy crashes) lessen the chances of Trump's re-election.
And evidently, different countries under threat are responding in totally different ways: some with strong clear action, and others with barely anything at all.

All corporations and military units know about risk assessment. That's all about the combo of the chances of an event occurring, AND the severity of the consequences if it does.

So why not immediately close down the flights as a preventative action, and then lift them again if it's not so serious after all?

Why not assume the Chinese authorities are correct that it's infectious without symptoms — then lift the response if it turns out to be wrong?

Why not assume the Chinese authorities are under-reporting the severity, and then relax if the numbers turn out to be accurate?

These doors have been left wide open, and it's too late to contain it now. It'll be global within two months, maybe earlier. The Chinese text here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus&p=1333478&viewfull=1#post1333478) said:
Don’t EVER trust the government.
We are on our own now.

[Delight]

Espionage and manufactured viruses...

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[James Newell]

Federal Indictment Unsealed
January 28, 2020

In a shocking revelation made Tuesday afternoon – a revelation that will almost certainly rattle the US-China relationship at an already fragile time – a federal court unsealed indictments against Harvard professor and Chemistry Department Head Charles Lieber (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harvard-chemistry-chair-2-chinese-nationals-arrested-lying-about-china-ties-smuggling), along with two Chinese nationals.

https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/01/28/federal-indictment-unsealed/
(https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/01/28/federal-indictment-unsealed/)

kja6IrGAjVo

Many of the US universities are highly financed by China by endowments, complete with their intell agencies grabbing the new ideas and inventions. Bought brains with no ethics seems the hallmark of our universities these days.

Seems the Coronavirus is just one of many things being studied these days, as the old saying goes," You play with fire, you'll probably get burnt."

[Delight]

Many of the US universities are highly financed by China by endowments, complete with their intell agencies grabbing the new ideas and inventions. Bought brains with no ethics seems the hallmark of our universities these days.

Seems the Coronavirus is just one of many things being studied these days, as the old saying goes," You play with fire, you'll probably get burnt."

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[silvanelf]

Professor Zhong who is very well known in China because of his insistence correctly of not treating SARs with antibiotics stated in a TV interview that the virus will reach peak in two weeks.

Thanks, that's a daring prediction! Here are two sources:


One of China’s top experts said the Wuhan coronavirus infection rate could peak in early February.

“I estimate that it will reach its peak in around the next week or 10 days, after that there will be no more major increases,” said Zhong Nanshan, the respiratory disease scientist who played the pivotal role in China’s fight against the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) coronavirus epidemic in 2002-03.

He is also leading a team of experts to tackle the present outbreak and made the comments in an interview with state news agency Xinhua on Tuesday.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048020/chinese-experts-say-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-will-not-last



"That year, Sars lasted for almost five or six months, but I don't believe that the new coronavirus will be able to continue for that long," said Zhong Nanshan in an interview with state news agency Xinhua on Tuesday.

"That's because after the third wave of infections started, the country took strong measures, especially early detection and early isolation. After doing these two things, we have enough confidence to prevent another peak."

In the interview, Zhong, the director of the State Key Laboratory of Respiratory Disease, estimated that the peak of the outbreak could arrive within the next seven-to-10 days. His perspective was shared by a government epidemiologist, but a public health expert in Hong Kong has taken a longer view.

"It is very difficult to determine when the outbreak will reach its peak. However, I estimate that it will reach its peak in around the next week or 10 days, after that there will be no more major increases," said Zhong, who played a pivotal role in China's response to the Sars epidemic and is leading a team of government-appointed experts to manage the present outbreak.

https://today.line.me/id/pc/article/Chinese+experts+say+Wuhan+coronavirus+outbreak+will+not+last+as+long+as+Sars+epidemic-6Wq0OX

[Lawrence]

Greetings folks. In Australia the government seems to play down the Coronavirus threat a little. It claimed that the virus will not be transmitted until the carrier got symptoms. Also the prime minister asked for emergency power two days ago.
Is everything now a play by the Anglo Saxon Mission, just belated?
“China will catch a cold”

[pyrangello]

Was at Home depot here in a rural setting , I had to get some lumber, I checked out to see if they had masks and they have a sign above "limit 10". But there's plenty here, not so sure about intercity areas. Gal at checkout said yes they have been selling quite a bit of them. We should really know in the first week or two here in the states if this virus is growing or not due to the incubation periods expiring. Til then , we need to stay optimistic . And yes silvanelf , boy that would be nice if this virus burned itself out wouldn't it !

[Bill Ryan]

Greetings folks. In Australia the government seems to play down the Coronavirus threat a little. It claimed that the virus will not be transmitted until the carrier got symptoms. Also the prime minister asked for emergency power two days ago.
Is everything now a play by the Anglo Saxon Mission, just belated?
“China will catch a cold”Lawrence, a very warm welcome to the forum. :sun:

(Reference: here's the The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission) thread)


It's NOT the case that the virus can be transmitted only when the carrier has symptoms. That's already known and established. This is one reason why those who've just been evacuated from China are under quarantine for 14 days.
Re the Anglo-Saxon Mission, too early to tell... it's a little eerie, but some of the info doesn't quite fit unless the virus is largely race-specific. At the moment, it doesn't appear to be. But a lot more numbers will be needed to know if it affects all humans equally.

[Lawrence]

Thanks Bill!
Re your #1: totally, the virus can be transmitted human to human even if in incubation period and that’s a public knowledge shared by China. That’s why I was surprised by Ausliatia government (department of Health, chief medical officer)’s claim that it is NOT the case.

Re #2: agree with you it’s too early to call. However, even if it’s not explicitly broadcast, I get the impression that ALL Coronavirus patients are Asians (vast majority Chinese).

[Bill Ryan]

There have been several social media references to the 2011 Matt Damon film Contagion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film)). I saw it years ago, but didn't enjoy it quite as much as the 1995 Dustin Hoffman film Outbreak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreak_(film)).

So I thought it might be instructive to watch Contagion again, and I've just started in. OMG. Not an exact match, of course (the virus in the movie has a higher fatality rate) but there's a whole bunch of parallels.

Here it is: the first download is available till 5 February, and second till 11 February.


https://we.tl/t-veA1zUlR25 (AVI, 700 Mb)
https://we.tl/t-OVIxpEOLJo (MP4, 653 Mb, plus subtitle file)

[TEOTWAIKI]

It's almost like this pandemic is following the one in the movie;
actually very strange to watch it.

The movie was from 2011
The lead investigator was named Mears.
MERS broke out in 2012.


As per the death rate of the current epidemic:

Kudlow on FBN right now says Chinese have invited the CDC to the mainland to assist and a team is being readied. He also said that “the Chinese have thousands of people dying."

Lawrence Kudlow - Director of the National Economic Council under President Donald Trump since 2018.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Coronavirus update:
- 7,811 confirmed cases worldwide
- 12,167 suspected cases
- 170 fatalities
- 1,370 in serious/critical condition
- 124 treated and released
- All regions of China reporting cases
- 17 countries reporting cases
6:14 PM · Jan 29, 2020

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1222674485297516544

What I find alarming from this tweet is the high number or serious/critical cases.

[Delight]

"The sudden lack of new information coming out of China has Chris spooked.

He walks us through the math here, showing how if the coronavirus follows its current geometric growth, over 100 million people could be infected by the end of February.

Don't take today's lack of 'news' as meaning the threat from this virus is dying down. This is very likely just the calm before the storm."


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[Delight]

Chinese trying to contain the information led to a timeline of mismanagement in Wuhan

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[silvanelf]

Coronavirus update:
- 7,811 confirmed cases worldwide
- 12,167 suspected cases
- 170 fatalities
- 1,370 in serious/critical condition
- 124 treated and released
- All regions of China reporting cases
- 17 countries reporting cases
6:14 PM · Jan 29, 2020

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1222674485297516544

What I find alarming from this tweet is the high number or serious/critical cases.

I agree. Another alarming aspect is the relation between the relation between treated and released/fatalities:
- 170 fatalities
- 124 treated and released

[Did You See Them]

This could well be the "Global Reset" we've been waiting for !

[The Moss Trooper]

Im posting this as a point of interest, from Jim Stone, and something to keep our eyes on.

There's a study (posted link below) that states that the virus predominantly implants on Asian males only. Even then, the lethality is not very high but the fact that it is indeed race specific, and that it is known about, is more than interesting.

Here's a basic summary of what it says:

It claims that chinese males have a type of lung cell that the virus can implant in, in much higher amounts than any other group of people. It is a matter of simple genetic variance, and the types of cells people have in their lungs based on their race. All races have the type of cells the virus will implant in, but Chinese males have it at a ratio 5 times higher than other groups. The study predicted a 15 percent mortality rate but as we now know, it is very likely to not be higher than 3 percent, even in Asian males.

The study is interesting primarily because it does imply that whatever happened in China may have been a bio weapon that missed.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

This could also. possibly, explain the part of the virus that the scientists had not seen before. Was it the RA? I can't find the posts on this thread where that report was posted, but, if this was a manufactured bio-weapon that would be a very good reason why that part of the strain had not been seen before, the part that targets a specific race.

It all has a very strange feeling about it. If true, quite frightening.

[Bill Ryan]

"The sudden lack of new information coming out of China has Chris spooked.

He walks us through the math here, showing how if the coronavirus follows its current geometric growth, over 100 million people could be infected by the end of February.

Don't take today's lack of 'news' as meaning the threat from this virus is dying down. This is very likely just the calm before the storm."

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Excellent video. I agree, we should follow these updates every day.

Chris Martenson lists a number of important points. Most disconcerting is the mathematical forecast (assuming continuing levels of [un]containment) of 115 million cases in 30 days, 23 million of them serious.

[Pam]

Im posting this as a point of interest, from Jim Stone, and something to keep our eyes on.

There's a study (posted link below) that states that the virus predominantly implants on Asian males only. Even then, the lethality is not very high but the fact that it is indeed race specific, and that it is known about, is more than interesting.

Here's a basic summary of what it says:

It claims that chinese males have a type of lung cell that the virus can implant in, in much higher amounts than any other group of people. It is a matter of simple genetic variance, and the types of cells people have in their lungs based on their race. All races have the type of cells the virus will implant in, but Chinese males have it at a ratio 5 times higher than other groups. The study predicted a 15 percent mortality rate but as we now know, it is very likely to not be higher than 3 percent, even in Asian males.

The study is interesting primarily because it does imply that whatever happened in China may have been a bio weapon that missed.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

This could also. possibly, explain the part of the virus that the scientists had not seen before. Was it the RA? I can't find the posts on this thread where that report was posted, but, if this was a manufactured bio-weapon that would be a very good reason why that part of the strain had not been seen before, the part that targets a specific race.

It all has a very strange feeling about it. If true, quite frightening.


Wonderful research Moss Trooper! This is really becoming very, very interesting. I think you have some really valid ideas in this post.

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[Sarah Rainsong]

I watched Chris's video last night w/ my dh. I appreciated his analysis, too, and found it very concerning.




What I find alarming from this tweet is the high number or serious/critical cases.

I agree. Another alarming aspect is the relation between the relation between treated and released/fatalities:
- 170 fatalities
- 124 treated and released

Same. Total numbers I've seen are 170 fatalities; 133 recoveries (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) Assuming that all these cases are from those severe enough to be hospitalized (cause how do you know they officially recovered otherwise?), does this mean that 56% of the hospitalized cases result in death?! Someone please check my math!


Im posting this as a point of interest, from Jim Stone, and something to keep our eyes on.

There's a study (posted link below) that states that the virus predominantly implants on Asian males only. Even then, the lethality is not very high but the fact that it is indeed race specific, and that it is known about, is more than interesting.

Here's a basic summary of what it says:

It claims that chinese males have a type of lung cell that the virus can implant in, in much higher amounts than any other group of people. It is a matter of simple genetic variance, and the types of cells people have in their lungs based on their race. All races have the type of cells the virus will implant in, but Chinese males have it at a ratio 5 times higher than other groups. The study predicted a 15 percent mortality rate but as we now know, it is very likely to not be higher than 3 percent, even in Asian males.

The study is interesting primarily because it does imply that whatever happened in China may have been a bio weapon that missed. <snip>

This is extremely concerning to me personally. My husband is Chinese and just turned 50, so if true, this puts him at a much higher risk. And then I wonder about my 4 sons. How do their biracial genetics (I'm white) apply?

BUT, this study had a VERY small sample size. Only one male Asian donor! Still, it makes me think back to the Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission)[/I][/I], so I'm really hoping that researchers pursue this a bit more and give us some updated and broadened studies!

[Tintin]

Im posting this as a point of interest, from Jim Stone, and something to keep our eyes on.

There's a study (posted link below) that states that the virus predominantly implants on Asian males only. Even then, the lethality is not very high but the fact that it is indeed race specific, and that it is known about, is more than interesting.

Here's a basic summary of what it says:

It claims that chinese males have a type of lung cell that the virus can implant in, in much higher amounts than any other group of people. It is a matter of simple genetic variance, and the types of cells people have in their lungs based on their race. All races have the type of cells the virus will implant in, but Chinese males have it at a ratio 5 times higher than other groups. The study predicted a 15 percent mortality rate but as we now know, it is very likely to not be higher than 3 percent, even in Asian males.

The study is interesting primarily because it does imply that whatever happened in China may have been a bio weapon that missed.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

This could also. possibly, explain the part of the virus that the scientists had not seen before. Was it the RA? I can't find the posts on this thread where that report was posted, but, if this was a manufactured bio-weapon that would be a very good reason why that part of the strain had not been seen before, the part that targets a specific race.

It all has a very strange feeling about it. If true, quite frightening.


Wonderful research Moss Trooper! This is really becoming very, very interesting. I think you have some really valid ideas in this post.

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peterpam: I couldn't agree more.

Exercising some sensible restraint with material provision for the Library, as this really is so very important, I've created a dedicated folder called: http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/ where I'll place any information that may be helpful, or pertinent, regarding this (with further thanks to The Moss Trooper for this paper)

[Mod edit: also provided by lightpotential on the Anglo-Saxon Mission thread, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission&p=1333650&viewfull=1#post1333650) ]

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/James_Lyons_Weiler/Studies_cited_in_article/Single-cell_RNA_expression_profiling_of_ACE2_the_putative_receptor_of_Wuhan_2019-nCov_Zhao,Y_Zhao,Z_Wang,Y_Zhou,Y,Yu%20Ma,_Wei%20Zu%20%5bPaper%20-%20abstract%202020,%20Jan)_2020.01.26.919985v1.full.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

Another excellent close-to-the-scene news source, The South China Morning Post, based in Hong Kong. Unlike The Epoch Times (https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-live-updates-air-canada-announces-it-is-suspending-china-flights_3221125.html), you can read unlimited articles without having to subscribe, or delete their cookies. All the rolling updates are here.


https://scmp.com/topics/china-coronavirus-outbreak-all-stories

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Chris Martenson interviewing John M. Barry, who wrote The Great Influenza - The story of the deadliest pandemic in history. A download link is below.

Barry tells Martenson, referring to the possibility of asymptomatic transmission (i.e. being infectious before having developed any symptoms):
"If that's the case, there's no possibility of containing this, I don't think."
This interview was 3 days ago, which means it's almost already out of date. But the historical information presented here is well worth being aware of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHbogeWiXU
Link to the book (downloadable for 7 days):


https://we.tl/t-0myqCvwCHX (1.7Mb PDF)

[c0rv0]

Hello BIll,
Please consider that this is happening in the same time where the US is doing all to provoke a war in the Middle east: first by assassinating Suleiman and now with the "Insult of the Century" to the Palestinians and all who support them.



Greetings folks. In Australia the government seems to play down the Coronavirus threat a little. It claimed that the virus will not be transmitted until the carrier got symptoms. Also the prime minister asked for emergency power two days ago.
Is everything now a play by the Anglo Saxon Mission, just belated?
“China will catch a cold”Lawrence, a very warm welcome to the forum. :sun:

(Reference: here's the The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission) thread)


It's NOT the case that the virus can be transmitted only when the carrier has symptoms. That's already known and established. This is one reason why those who've just been evacuated from China are under quarantine for 14 days.
Re the Anglo-Saxon Mission, too early to tell... it's a little eerie, but some of the info doesn't quite fit unless the virus is largely race-specific. At the moment, it doesn't appear to be. But a lot more numbers will be needed to know if it affects all humans equally.

[silvanelf]

I watched Chris's video last night w/ my dh. I appreciated his analysis, too, and found it very concerning.




What I find alarming from this tweet is the high number or serious/critical cases.

I agree. Another alarming aspect is the relation between the relation between treated and released/fatalities:
- 170 fatalities
- 124 treated and released

Same. Total numbers I've seen are 170 fatalities; 133 recoveries (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) Assuming that all these cases are from those severe enough to be hospitalized (cause how do you know they officially recovered otherwise?), does this mean that 56% of the hospitalized cases result in death?! Someone please check my math!


rainsong,
I reached the same result. But it may be a premature conclusion, because most cases were registered within the past 5 to 7 days. It may come across as ironic or sarcastic, but: death may come quickly, while recovery takes some time. Therefore the relation between treated and released/fatalities may improve in the future.


Assuming that all these cases are from those severe enough to be hospitalized (cause how do you know they officially recovered otherwise?), does this mean that 56% of the hospitalized cases result in death?!

Yep, but see my counterargument above. If we assume that some cases are from those with mild conditions, then the relationship between recovery/death among severe or critical cases will worsen.

[Sarah Rainsong]

rainsong,
I reached the same result. But it may be a premature conclusion, because most cases were registered within the past 5 to 7 days. It may come across as ironic or sarcastic, but: death may come quickly, while recovery takes some time. Therefore the relation between treated and released/fatalities may improve in the future.


Assuming that all these cases are from those severe enough to be hospitalized (cause how do you know they officially recovered otherwise?), does this mean that 56% of the hospitalized cases result in death?!

Yep, but see my counterargument above. If we assume that some cases are from those with mild conditions, then the relationship between recovery/death among severe or critical cases will worsen.

Thank you, yes, I did consider that the timing's off and those numbers are probably not a good reflection of the actual CFA, but even if that number is twice as high as it should be, it's a concerning amount.

[thepainterdoug]

This was sent to me. Patent for the Corona Virus. Not sure what it means but thought I would share it.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/1d/4e/4a/ac8914e765d645/EP3172319B1.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

This was sent to me. Patent for the Corona Virus. Not sure what it means but thought I would share it.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/1d/4e/4a/ac8914e765d645/EP3172319B1.pdfYes, noted here, and brought up by Alex Jones. I'm not a microbiologist! But skimming through the patent, it appears to be about a different coronavirus — the avian infectious bronchitis virus, a member of the wider coronavirus family that infects poultry. (There are many kinds of coronavirus, including the common cold.)


The coronavirus is a patented depopulation weapon patented July 23 2015. Patent number 10130701 assigned to the Pirbright Institute. I am sure they will make good money from this. First you patent the virus than the vaccine.

https://infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/

[Pam]

Here are a couple of what I feel are balanced looks at what this Corona virus actually does and the next video is about the mortality rate of this virus compared to SARS. I feel this man's approach is quite level headed and he appears to have the expertise to understand what is going on. He has done other videos on this topic but I haven't had a chance to review them.



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[Pam]

TinTin, I am so glad that you are putting pertinent information about this in the library. If this epidemic does not become worldwide, certainly another one will. If this is not a false flag event certainly the PTB have taken note of the power of a potential pandemic to generate fear and confusion, far more powerful than mass shootings and terrorism it seems. The potential of this has the possibility of sweeping mandates for forced medical treatments and martial law just to name a few. We must never forget how quick they were to pull out the Patriot Act when the masses are scared and confused..OMG, now I am sounding like a conspiracy theorist.:confused:

TinTin, thank you for the work you do in documenting these most interesting times. You are appreciated.

[silvanelf]

On Monday more than 1,000 people on three flights from China walked into Canada without medical screening. Meanwhile in Japan ...


WARMINGTON: No medical screening for arrivals from three China flights

January 27, 2020

Just like that, more than 1,000 people on three flights from China walked into Canada without medical screening.

If the coronavirus happens to be incubating in any one of those passengers who arrived at Pearson International Airport’s Terminal 3 on Monday, they are now mingling with Canadian residents.

“I was asked when we got to the Canada Custom’s inspection point if I had been in Wuhan in the past 14 days or if I had a fever,” said Jerry, who with his wife, travelled from Shanghai. “I said no.”

That one-word answer got him through.

--- snip ---

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-thousands-unchecked-for-coronavirus-at-pearson?fbclid=IwAR3-jXAKTGtErqp2o7xtPGJztXKECk9xAc2jbyLeAiPSdNtHXQ4lJB6P6Ic



Japanese evacuees test positive for coronavirus

18 hours ago

Japan's health ministry says three evacuees from the Chinese city of Wuhan have tested positive for the new type of coronavirus.

The three individuals were among the more than 200 passengers who returned to Japan on a government-chartered flight on Wednesday.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200130_26/

[Bill Ryan]

On Monday more than 1,000 people on three flights from China walked into Canada without medical screening. Meanwhile in Japan...
And also meanwhile, evidence is mounting that the virus can be spread by people who exhibit no symptoms and have no ideas they're carriers.

Here's a Lancet article to this effect from 24 Jan, citing a 10-year old boy who had no symptoms at all but was "shedding the virus" on everyone around him.


https://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext

As in the 2011 Matt Damon movie Contagion (download it here (https://we.tl/t-OVIxpEOLJo) until 11 February), it's now becoming apparent that the virus can be contracted via objects that an infectious person has touched. This is under-reported right now, but it's likely to become a major part of the story should it become clear that the outbreak is uncontained.

So the worst-case epidemiological scenario is a combo of these 3 factors:


Infection by people who haven't yet developed symptoms and aren't aware they're infected. (Confirmed)
Person-to-person infection, to people who haven't visited China. (Confirmed)
Spread via objects or surfaces touched by an infected person. (Not fully confirmed, but the WHO has already said (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7943865/Coronavirus-spread-touching-contaminated-surfaces.html) there's evidence for this.)

Taking a risk-assessment view of this, the measures taken have been far too little too late. They aren't even consistent in different locations. There seems to be little co-ordination, and not enough definitively clear information coming from any authoritative (and honest) source.

Of course, the real need for strong co-ordination is one scenario for the advent of something closer to a global government. Whether this outbreak was planned or accidental, it'll be used opportunistically by anyone with a controlling agenda.

[DeDukshyn]

Hey guys, I haven't been following this thread I just have enough time to interject one thing - forgive me if its been posted. Its got a bit of an Anti-Chinese slant which I immediately dismissed, but it is interesting and ties in with the original "anglo saxon mission" thread topic:

"Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It"
https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/?fbclid=IwAR1twVgo2e3Bs_xpnOyVTio2GlMgzPHPDIaJ5SuXEWsqSa4VfO6wmA9tH2s

[yuhui]

[QUOTE=silvanelf;1333685]On Monday more than 1,000 people on three flights from China walked into Canada without medical screening. Meanwhile in Japan ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42401&d=1580414691
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42400&d=1580414691

[onawah]

Did Bill Gates & World Economic Forum Predict Coronavirus Outbreak?
Will There be an Internet Blackout to Control Information?
1/30/20
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/did-bill-gates-world-economic-forum-predict-coronavirus-outbreak-will-there-be-an-internet-blackout-to-control-information/

Comments by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

"The Coronavirus outbreak in China now dominates worldwide news media outlets.

Spiro Skouras released a video yesterday (Jan. 25, 2020) reporting on a 5 hour simulation that was conducted in October of 2019: Event 201.

It was hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The simulation is eerily similar to what is happening right now with the Coronavirus outbreak. Will world health authorities now take action as is predicted in this simulation, and try to control the narrative of the outbreak by cutting off access to the Internet, or forcing social media companies to only allow the information they want the public to receive?

Health Impact News is part of the independent alternative media, and sites like ours may soon be blocked from reporting on this emerging worldwide health crisis if this simulation is accurately predicting just how these events are about to unfold.

The mainstream media watch-dogs have labeled Health Impact News as “Fake” news, even when we report on vaccine injuries and deaths using the government’s own data. See:

Self-Appointed Internet Police Declare MedicalKidnap.com and DOJ Vaccine Court Reports Fake News
https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/self-appointed-internet-police-declare-medicalkidnap-com-and-doj-vaccine-court-reports-fake-news/
Facebook Censors Trending Vitamin D Story to Protect Flu Vaccines Using Former CNN Reporter
https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/facebook-censors-trending-vitamin-d-story-to-protect-flu-vaccines-using-former-cnn-reporter/
Did Bill Gates & World Economic Forum Predict Coronavirus Outbreak? An Inside Look May Shock You!
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by Spiro Skouras

In this report we take an inside look at Event 201, which took place in NYC on October 18 2019. Event 201 is a high-level pandemic exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

This is extremely fascinating because this pandemic simulation exercise of coronavirus took place about 6 weeks before the first illness from the coronavirus was actually reported in Wuhan China!

That is one hell of a coincidence if you believe in that sort of thing. Another fascinating connection, is the fact that not only did the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation participate in and help set up the pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak, but they just so happen to fund the group who owns the patent to the deadly coronavirus and are already working on a vaccine to solve the current crisis. Again an incredible coincidence…

In this report you will see footage from inside the event as the members of the emergency epidemic board in this simulation, which consists of representatives from major banks, the UN, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Johnson and Johnson, logistical powerhouses, the media as well as officials from China and America’s CDC just to name a few.

This simulation also includes news reports that were fabricated just for this exercise, please keep that in mind because they are eerily similar to reports we are currently seeing regarding this real world coronavirus outbreak."

Links:

Event 201
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/index.html

Center for health security (Videos)
https://www.youtube.com/user/biosecuritycntr/videos

Leading US health experts predicted coronavirus could kill 65million people in a year – in chilling warning three months BEFORE the outbreak in China
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7925475/US-health-experts-hosted-fictional-coronavirus-simulation-THREE-months-ago.html

The Real Umbrella Corp: Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/real-umbrella-corp-wuhan-ultra-biohazard-lab-was-studying-worlds-most-dangerous-pathogens

56 Million Chinese On Lockdown As Virus Spreads To Australia, Malaysia
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/56-million-chinese-lockdown-virus-spreads-australia-malaysia

China Suddenly Increases Death Toll By Over 60% As Virus Jumps To Europe
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/please-help-us-supply-shortages-rock-wuhan-outbreak-overwhelms-chinese-healthcare

With Wuhan virus genetic code in hand, scientists begin work on a vaccine
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-vaccines/with-wuhan-virus-genetic-code-in-hand-scientists-begin-work-on-a-vaccine-idUSKBN1ZN2J8

China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan – and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could ‘escape’ the facility that’s become key in fighting the outbreak
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html

BILL AND MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION & OTHERS PREDICTED UP TO 65 MILLION DEATHS VIA CORONAVIRUS – IN SIMULATION RAN 3 MONTHS AGO!
https://www.infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/
Source.

Also posted at activistpost.com.

[silvanelf]

On Monday more than 1,000 people on three flights from China walked into Canada without medical screening. Meanwhile in Japan...
And also meanwhile, evidence is mounting that the virus can be spread by people who exhibit no symptoms and have no ideas they're carriers.


And it gets worse:


Thermal Screening at Airports Less Than 10% Effective
Airport screening unlikely to detect most 2019-nCoV infected travelers

January 30, 2020 – According to a new model, thermal scanning at airports may not be very effective at identifying passengers infected with the new coronavirus known as 2019-nCoV.

On January 30, 2020, the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) published a model that indicates that for every 100 infected travelers planning to take a 12-hour flight, only 9 will be detected for the 2019-nCoV at entry screening upon arrival.

This model’s accuracy depends on the incubation period, the sensitivity of exit and entry screening, and the proportion of cases that are asymptomatic.

-- snip --

https://www.vaxbeforetravel.com/airport-screening-unlikely-detect-most-2019-ncov-infected-travelers

[yuhui]

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan2019-nCov)/Single-cell_RNA_expression_profiling_of_ACE2_the_putative_receptor_of_Wuhan_2019-nCov_Zhao,Y_Zhao,Z_Wang,Y_Zhou,Y,Yu%20Ma,_Wei%20Zu%20%5bPaper%20-%20abstract%202020,%20Jan)_2020.01.26.919985v1.full.pdf

yeah but this study is only based on samples of 8 people....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=42402&d=1580416242

[Franny]

Coronavirus: Self treatment recommendations for new virus that is shutting down entire cities

Coronavirus: Self treatment recommendations for new virus that is shutting down entire cities (https://www.sott.net/article/428245-Coronavirus-Self-treatment-recommendations-for-new-virus-that-is-shutting-down-entire-cities)

Dr. Mark Sircus
DrSircus
Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:00 UTC

The Headlines read: China Quarantines a City of 11 Million Over Deadly New Virus. Little is known about the new virus, making it more challenging for authorities to figure out the appropriate action to take, experts say. Unfortunately, they will not take appropriate action because they refuse to look at the fundamental weakness of all viruses, which can be easily and cheaply exploited.

People die of viruses all the time but the death rates can be sharply reduced if we pull the rug out from under them with rapid changes in pH and with heavy dosages of iodine, selenium and magnesium chloride. Modern medicine refuses to look at these basic medicines, which are commonly used in ICU departments that save lives everyday; refuses to entertain the idea that these same medicines could be perfect medicines to both prevent and treat this new viral disease.

Authorities do not know the incubation period which makes it difficult to know how to respond. But we do know the virus spreads easily and quickly. The province of Hubei, of which Wuhan is the capital and largest city, late Wednesday reported a total 444 confirmed cases, up from 270 announced the previous day.



Comment: Since the writing of this article the number of confirmed cases is over 6,000.


The Chinese National Health Commission reported early Friday that there have been 25 deaths from and 830 cases of the coronavirus, a sharp increase. The death toll increased by more than a half-dozen in 24 hours, while the number of confirmed cases jumped by more than 200.

The media and medical system do not know how to respond except to create a panic. However, even worse infections are spreading but you will not read about them in the media.

There is a hushed panic playing out in hospitals around the world as a deadly fungus is spreading killing a lot of people. The fungus known as Candida Auris, kills almost half of all patients who contract it within 90 days, according to the CDC - as it's impervious to most major anti-fungal medications. First described in 2009 after a 70-year-old Japanese woman showed up at a Tokyo hospital with C. Auris in her ear canal, the aggressive yeast infection has spread across Asia and Europe - arriving in the US by 2016.

Residents inside Wuhan have reported long lines at the city's hospitals, with some patients seeking advice or treatment waiting hours to be seen. Videos posted to social media showed tense scenes as staff tried to maintain order in jam-packed hospital corridors.

Now we read: China extended has extended its quarantine on the city of Wuhan over a deadly virus to two more cities on Thursday, cutting off a total of almost 19 million people.


"It's Like Cancelling Christmas" - Beijing Scraps Lunar New Year Festivities Amid Virus Outbreak

The virus — which was first diagnosed less than a month ago — has already killed at least 18 people and infected more than 650 people around the world, including confirmed reports in Singapore and Saudi Arabia.

One patient in Wuhan infected more than a dozen medical staff. There is one confirmed case in the US. That person arrived by plane from China. Potentially everyone on the plane could now be a carrier and we may not know for a week or more. It could be spreading around the world rapidly as many Chinese have already traveled to every continent. The following weeks will be telling.

In Wuhan, a city of 11 million in central China, where the new coronavirus originated, will halt all outbound flights and trains and shut down its public transportation system from Thursday morning, the Chinese government said, a dramatic escalation in China's battle to contain a pneumonia outbreak that has now killed 17 people.

Several provinces and territories in China, including Fujian, Anhui, Liaoning and Guizhou, announced their first confirmed infection cases on Wednesday, according to CCTV and local Chinese authorities.

Treatments for Viral Infection

If you do not want your loved ones to die of a viral infection the first thing you need to know is that the minute you or your kids get the sniffles you have to treat aggressively with natural not pharmaceutical drugs. Better yet, the same medicines can be used to prevent infection in the first place so people interested in protecting their families from this virus (and all others) would be well advised to start treatments before, treat preemptively.

We are talking about sodium bicarbonate, magnesium chloride, selenium and iodine all of which can be applied at high dosages to head viruses off at the pass before they take hold and choke a person to death. All of these medicines can be administered at home safely and legally and one does not need a prescription because they are nutritional in nature, not pharmaceutical.



Comment: And Vitamin C.


Susceptibility to infectious diseases is common in malnourished and toxic human populations. This has traditionally been viewed as simply a consequence of the fact that the immune system must be maintained by adequate nutrition in order to function optimally. Only recently has data begun to accumulate in support of the idea that nutritional factors (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/182/Supplement_1/S93.full) may sometimes have a direct effect on pathogens, and that passage through nutritionally deficient hosts may facilitate evolutionary changes in infectious agents.

Killing Viral Infections with Sodium Bicarbonate

Certain viruses (including the rhinoviruses and coronaviruses that are most often responsible for the common cold and influenza viruses that produce flu) infect host cells by fusion with cellular membranes at low pH. Thus they are classified as "pH-dependent viruses."

Fusion of viral and cellular membranes is pH dependent. "Fusion depends on the acidification of the endosomal compartment. (http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0100-879X2005000600002) Fusion at the endosome level is triggered by conformational changes in viral glycoproteins induced by the low pH of this cellular compartment."

"In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the 'Flu' with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda (https://drsircus.com/medicine/sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/) contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of 'cold,' influenza and 'la gripe' by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated," wrote Dr. Volney S. Cheney (https://drsircus.com/medicine/sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/arm-hammer-soda-company) to the Arm & Hammer Company.

Dr. Jerry Tennant writes, "As oxygen levels continue to drop (http://tennantinstitute.us/oxygenhyperbaric-oxygen.html), you get infections. Each of us contain about a trillion "bugs". They are suppressed when oxygen is present. However, as oxygen drops, the "bugs" wake up and want to have lunch — -they want to have you for lunch. Since they don't have teeth to take a bite out of your cells, they put out digestive enzymes to dissolve your cells. As they consume your cells, you get sick."

The most important factor in creating proper pH is increasing oxygen because no wastes or toxins can leave the body without first combining. with oxygen. The more alkaline you are, the more oxygen your fluids can hold and keep. The position of the oxygen disassociation curve (ODC) is influenced directly by pH, core body temperature and carbon dioxide pressure. According to Warburg, it is the increased amounts of carcinogens, toxicity and pollution that cause cells to be unable to uptake oxygen efficiently.

Never Forget Iodine

"Extremely high doses of iodine can have serious side effects, but only a small fraction of such extreme doses are necessary to kill influenza viruses, (https://drsircus.com/medicine/avoiding-serious-complications-from-viral-infections)" writes Dr. David Derry of Canada. In 1945, a breakthrough occurred when J. D. Stone and Sir McFarland Burnet (who later went on to win a Nobel Prize for his Clonal Selection Theory) exposed mice to lethal effects of influenza viral mists. Pathology was prevented by putting iodine solution on mice snouts just prior to placing them in chambers containing influenza viruses. Dr. Derry also reminds us that a long time ago students in classrooms were protected from influenza by iodine aerosol therapy. Aerosol iodine also is effective against freshly sprayed influenza virus.

Iodine is a must (https://drsircus.com/medicine/iodine/iodine-rescue) when dealing with deadly viruses and would go a long way in decreasing the death rate from Ebola. Dr. Gabriel Cousens (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.gabrielcousens.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=RzjJOxzDamo%3d&tabid=364&mid=6700&language=en-US&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHuSt0S9wF9FsBePwAGXOVkEIZHbQ) wrote, "Historically, as early as 1911, people normally took between 300,000-900,000 micrograms of iodine daily without incident. Other researchers have used between 3,000 and 6,000 micrograms/day to prevent goiter." Deficiencies in iodine (https://drsircus.com/medicine/cancer/iodine-and-immune-system-strength) have a great effect on the immune system.

Vitamin D - Perfect Helpmate to Vitamin C

Vitamin D reduces the risk of dying (https://drsircus.com/medicine/flu/vitamin-d-and-the-flu) from a viral infection. Researchers from Winthrop University Hospital in Mineola, New York found that giving supplements of vitamin D to a group of volunteers reduced episodes of infection with colds and flu by 70% over three years. The researchers said that vitamin D stimulates "innate immunity" to viruses and bacteria. Very few have any idea that Vitamin D can be taken in high dosages like Vitamin C can.

Magnesium for Acute Illness

Magnesium chloride (magnesium oil) (https://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/uses-of-magnesium-oil) has always been and remains my favorite first line medicine that affects overall physiology. Dr. Raul Vergini (https://drsircus.com/?p=3833) from Italy says, "Magnesium chloride has a unique healing power on acute viral and bacterial diseases. It cured polio and diphtheria and that was the main subject of my magnesium book. A few grams of magnesium chloride every few hours will clear nearly most acute illnesses, which can be beaten in a few hours. I have seen a lot of flu cases healed in 24-48 hours with 3 grams of magnesium chloride taken every 6-8 hours." My recommendation would be to follow Dr. Vergini's suggestion and augmenting that with Transdermal Magnesium Therapy. (https://drsircus.com/books/e-book/transdermal-magnesium-therapy/) The second edition of Transsdermal Magnesium Therapy is also available in hardcopy from Amazon.com.

Selenium Medicine

Selenium deficiency may allow invading viruses to mutate and cause longer-lasting, more severe illness. Animal research has shown selenium and vitamin E have synergistic effects, enhancing the body's response to bacterial and parasitic infections.

In that selenium is a potent immune stimulator is an 18-month study of 262 patients with AIDS that found those who took a daily capsule containing 200 micrograms of selenium ended up with lower levels of the AIDS virus and more health-giving CD4 immune system cells in their bloodstreams than those taking a dummy pill.

These AIDS patients who took selenium were able to suppress the deadly virus in their bodies and boost their fragile immune systems, adding to evidence that selenium has healing powers that should be employed for all viral threats.

The clinical investigations in sepsis studies indicate that higher doses of selenium are well tolerated as continuous infusions of selenium as sodium selenite (4,000 μg selenium as sodium selenite pentahydrat on the first day, 1,000 μg selenium/day on the nine following days) and had no reported toxicity issues. In view of this new information, Biosyn introduced the 1,000 µg dose vials for such high selenium clinical usage.

Using Sunlight to Ramp Up Immune Response

Sunlight Offers Surprise Benefit, It Energizes Infection Fighting T Cells reads the headlines. Georgetown University Medical Center researchers have found that sunlight (https://gumc.georgetown.edu/news-release/sunlight-offers-surprise-benefit-it-energizes-infection-fighting-t-cells/), through a mechanism separate than vitamin D production, energizes T cells that play a central role in human immunity.

Professor Gerard Ahern, who lead the study at Georgetown said, "We all know sunlight provides vitamin D, which is suggested to have an impact on immunity, among other things. "But what we found is a completely separate role of sunlight on immunity. Some of the roles attributed to vitamin D on immunity may be due to this new mechanism."

One of the greatest triggers of influenza, the swine flu and deaths from pulmonary deficiency is vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D reduces the risk of dying from all causes including the flu. Researchers from Winthrop University Hospital in Mineola, New York found that giving supplements of vitamin D to a group of volunteers reduced episodes of infection with colds and flu by 70% over three years. The researchers said that the vitamin stimulated "innate immunity" to viruses and bacteria. Very few have any idea that Vitamin D can be taken in extremely high dosages like Vitamin C can.

When our immune system is already depressed, we die more easily when confronted with infection. Emerging viruses are becoming more virile and aggressive, and traditional medications are becoming less effective against them. Viruses are smart, mutating and becoming resistant to antiviral pharmaceuticals. Global crises such as Ebola, SARS and dengue fever spread more quickly than we can develop medicines to fight them, and every season there are new flu strains that challenge the effectiveness of vaccines.

About The Author

Dr. Mark Sircus AC., OMD, DM (P) Professor of Natural Oncology, Da Vinci Institute of Holistic Medicine, Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine, Founder of Natural Allopathic Medicine

Comment: As the author suggests, it is far better to think of treating coronavirus (and other emerging viruses) preemptively - rather than have to rely on the medical system should this sickness spread much further.

That said, here are a few other excellent ways to boost one's own natural immune system.

How to make Thieves Oil and why it should be used daily (https://www.sott.net/article/402543-How-to-make-Thieves-Oil-and-why-it-should-be-used-daily)
Immune system-boosting nutrients we're in more need of during fall and winter (https://www.sott.net/article/401655-Immune-system-boosting-nutrients-we-re-in-more-need-of-during-fall-and-winter)
The immune system can be rebooted in three days by fasting (https://www.sott.net/article/353756-The-immune-system-can-be-rebooted-in-three-days-by-fasting)
The false argument for herd immunity and vaccination vs. naturally-made host resistance and strong immune systems (https://www.sott.net/article/344558-The-false-argument-for-herd-immunity-and-vaccination-vs-naturally-made-host-resistance-and-strong-immune-systems)
Selenium: An essential mineral that helps the immune system prevent chronic and infectious disease (https://www.sott.net/article/317054-Selenium-An-essential-mineral-that-helps-the-immune-system-prevent-chronic-and-infectious-disease)
Detoxify and improve immune functioning with activated charcoal (https://www.sott.net/article/306703-Detoxify-and-improve-immune-functioning-with-activated-charcoal)
High salt diet protects against infection & increases immune function (https://www.sott.net/article/293814-High-salt-diet-protects-against-infection-increases-immune-function)

And one of the best things one could possibly do - which we hear about all too seldom - is to eat animal fats and go low-carb to help boost your immune system: Ketogenic diet helps tame flu virus (https://www.sott.net/article/424021-Ketogenic-diet-helps-tame-flu-virus)

[The Moss Trooper]

yuhui wrote:


yeah but this study is only based on samples of 8 people....


True. A bigger sample is needed for more data-sets.

A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.

For now, it remains only as a point of interest, a heads-up, if you like, to keep an eye on the racial profiles of those that succumb to this virus. As with all developing situations, pertinent information will be either cast aside or added-to on-going developments to help us with the bigger picture.

[pyrangello]

Government policies have always fell behind the 8 ball when it comes to time sensitive. Let me explain this more in plain language dumb, ignorant, denial , stupid , head in the sand , careless , obscene , dumbfounded , DAH! , we have to wait for funding , I'm not in charge, no your in charge, no you are, I'm not looking like a fool .

If we were all sitting on top of a hill being told this island had a bunch of people like 1.3 billion and they had 25 deaths by some cold but quarantined 30 million people , we would all be selling swamp land to aliens too. Hurricane Katrina should have been a lesson for the world , when Shxx really hits the fan on a major scale , Government is not the answer but the back up. We the people of the world are the answer on the front lines and its up to us to plan accordingly. NOW.

If this virus can be so aggressive like Ebola that it eventually burns itself out , fantastic. That's what happen in the influenza strain in 1918, however it took 2-3 years for that to burn itself out. The upside to this entire situation is people have time at present to do whatever they can. We also have the internet to stay informed as education is the best defense. This is NOT a time to freak out, barricade yourself , ect ect. If it continues it will be a temporary lifestyle change for a while, god forbid economically but that doesn't look to promising either at this point anyways. If you had to stay at home for a while, what can you do while your at home with your family and kids and what resources would you need as well. Just stay educated and try and stay ahead of the curve on this . At least we not on a cruise ship with 7000 people , omg , how to deal with that. I pray for all of them . Keep chiming in here to the Avalon family, lots of good info, lots of good dialog and that helps all of us accept whats happening as denial or ignorance creates fear, and that sure isn't here. :).

[Kryztian]

From the South China Morning Post
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047956/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-researchers-have?fbclid=IwAR3w0zPK4HfrtIFdGMhVeXkqUXMoXzp6ubXkA39JEy-k04yp_mzHo3-9nDQ

China coronavirus: Hong Kong researchers have already developed vaccine but need time to test it, expert reveals


HKU’s Professor Yuen Kwok-yung says his team is working on vaccine, having isolated virus from the city’s first imported case
Scientists in mainland China and the United States are also racing to produce a vaccine for the deadly new coronavirus


by Elizabeth Cheung Published: 10:48pm, 28 Jan, 2020

Hong Kong researchers have already developed a vaccine for the deadly Wuhan coronavirus
– but need time to test it, according to infectious diseases expert Professor Yuen Kwok-yung.

Scientists in mainland China and the United States were also separately racing to produce a vaccine for the new coronavirus, which has killed more than 100 people and infected thousands.

Yuen, chair of infectious diseases at the University of Hong Kong, revealed that his team was working on the vaccine and had isolated the previously unknown virus from the city’s first imported case.

“We have already produced the vaccine, but it will take a long time to test on animals,” Yuen said, without giving a specific time frame on when it would be ready for patients.

But he said it would take months to test the vaccine on animals and at least another year to conduct clinical trials on humans before it was fit for use.

HKU researchers based it on a nasal spray influenza vaccine previously invented by Yuen’s team.

Researchers modified the flu vaccine with part of the surface antigen of the coronavirus, meaning it could prevent influenza viruses as well as the new coronavirus, which causes pneumonia.

The vaccine, if successfully tested, could be the answer to a disease that has infected more than 4,600 people globally and killed over 100 on the mainland, mostly in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak.

Hong Kong had so far seen eight confirmed cases. From noon on Monday to noon on Tuesday, 78 more people were reported as suspected cases. Currently, 103 people are in isolation in public hospitals.

Although mainland media quoted Chinese infectious diseases expert Li Lanjuan on Monday as saying a vaccine targeting the coronavirus was being developed and could be made in around a month at the earliest, Yuen expressed doubts.

He said the one being developed on the mainland is likely to be an inactivated virus vaccine, which consists of a virus grown in a culture that has had its infectivity destroyed by chemicals or radiation.

To test the vaccine, it will have to be injected into an animal to see if it produces a good immune response, Yuen said. The vaccinated animal would then be exposed to the virus to see if is protected.

“If the vaccine appears effective and safe in a number of animal species, it will go into clinical trials on humans. This takes at least one year even if expedited,” Yuen said.

He was also concerned that the approach taken by the mainland side to develop a vaccine would lead to a major complication, in which people who were vaccinated might develop a more severe disease if exposed to the virus. He said such a reaction for coronavirus had been recorded in reports.

The previously unknown coronavirus has killed more than 100 people and infected thousands. Photo: National Microbiology Data CentreThe previously unknown coronavirus has killed more than 100 people and infected thousands. Photo: National Microbiology Data Centre
The previously unknown coronavirus has killed more than 100 people and infected thousands. Photo: National Microbiology Data Centre
Hong Kong researchers have already developed a vaccine for the deadly Wuhan coronavirus
– but need time to test it, according to infectious diseases expert Professor Yuen Kwok-yung.

Scientists in mainland China and the United States were also separately racing to produce a vaccine for the new coronavirus, which has killed more than 100 people and infected thousands.

Yuen, chair of infectious diseases at the University of Hong Kong, revealed that his team was working on the vaccine and had isolated the previously unknown virus from the city’s first imported case.

“We have already produced the vaccine, but it will take a long time to test on animals,” Yuen said, without giving a specific time frame on when it would be ready for patients.
Professor Yuen Kwok-yung did not give a time frame on when the vaccine would be ready. Photo: Winson Wong
Professor Yuen Kwok-yung did not give a time frame on when the vaccine would be ready. Photo: Winson Wong

But he said it would take months to test the vaccine on animals and at least another year to conduct clinical trials on humans before it was fit for use.

HKU researchers based it on a nasal spray influenza vaccine previously invented by Yuen’s team.

Researchers modified the flu vaccine with part of the surface antigen of the coronavirus, meaning it could prevent influenza viruses as well as the new coronavirus, which causes pneumonia.
Hong Kong slashes cross-border travel with mainland China amid virus outbreak
29 Jan 2020

The vaccine, if successfully tested, could be the answer to a disease that has infected more than 4,600 people globally and killed over 100 on the mainland, mostly in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak.
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Hong Kong had so far seen eight confirmed cases. From noon on Monday to noon on Tuesday, 78 more people were reported as suspected cases. Currently, 103 people are in isolation in public hospitals.

Although mainland media quoted Chinese infectious diseases expert Li Lanjuan on Monday as saying a vaccine targeting the coronavirus was being developed and could be made in around a month at the earliest, Yuen expressed doubts.
Hong Kong increases measures to contain spread of Wuhan coronavirus

He said the one being developed on the mainland is likely to be an inactivated virus vaccine, which consists of a virus grown in a culture that has had its infectivity destroyed by chemicals or radiation.

To test the vaccine, it will have to be injected into an animal to see if it produces a good immune response, Yuen said. The vaccinated animal would then be exposed to the virus to see if is protected.
Coronavirus: Beijing Sars hospital to reopen as death toll passes 100
29 Jan 2020

“If the vaccine appears effective and safe in a number of animal species, it will go into clinical trials on humans. This takes at least one year even if expedited,” Yuen said.

He was also concerned that the approach taken by the mainland side to develop a vaccine would lead to a major complication, in which people who were vaccinated might develop a more severe disease if exposed to the virus. He said such a reaction for coronavirus had been recorded in reports.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses causing illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars).

Meanwhile, Xinhua reported that Shanghai East Hospital of Tongji University had urgently approved a project for the development of a vaccine targeting the novel virus.

The vaccine would be co-developed by the hospital and Stemirna Therapeutics, a Shanghai-based biotechnology company.

Company CEO Li Hangwen said no more than 40 days would be needed to manufacture vaccine samples, which would then be sent for tests and brought to clinics “as soon as possible”.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Vaccine developed but far from ready, expert says

[Lawrence]

So now it is a WHO international emergency.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/30-01-2020-statement-on-the-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

[Bill Ryan]

Linda Howe deals with this quite well in her livestream yesterday. (I have to say, she's a lot better than Mike Adams right now.)

Her report is from 6:02—22:49, featuring a now-deleted, desperate social media report from a Wuhan hospital nurse, and a good interview with Dr Jane Orient, Executive Director of American Physicians and Surgeons. It's worth listening to. (The very last statement in Dr Orient's interview was to point out that "the virus can stay infective on paper money for days or weeks". I've not heard anyone say that before.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGtAgIR3JU

[happyuk]

Your Chance of Developing Symptoms or Dying From the Menacing Coronavirus That Now Threatens Global Human Populations Is 0.0000017482% (symptoms) 0.0000001137% (death)

This is according to lewrockwell.com (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/bill-sardi/your-chance-of-developing-symptoms-or-dying-from-the-menacing-coronavirus-that-now-threatens-global-human-populations-is-0-0000017482-symptoms-0-0000001137-death/)

The article tells us that:


Yep, the coronavirus is just a common virus that infects your nose, sinuses and upper throat and produces the same symptoms as a cold. But the fear that is being spread by public health authorities and the news media would make one think the earth is in the middle of a historic human pandemic.

The Coronavirus that is menacing human populations around the globe right now is an RNA virus that is “enveloped” so it resists eradication by one’s own immune system. In a very few subjects who are immune compromised, such as patients taking drugs for autoimmune disorders (Cyclosporine, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran), or youngsters who have undeveloped immunity, or others who are old and have weak immune systems due [to] malnutrition, they may develop pneumonia (drown in their own pus and fluid in their lungs) and be hospitalized, placed on a respirator, or die.

Just in case you are worried, out of a population of 7+ billion people on Earth, your chance of developing symptoms from this corona-shaped cold virus is ~1 in millions and for death ~1 in hundreds of millions. However, risk dramatically increases with advancing age and among malnourished populations such as in Asia where deficiencies of essential nutrients, namely zinc and vitamins C and D, are often prevalent. Modern medicine casts a blind eye at nutrition.

It strikes me from this that the corona virus is fear-mongering theatre on a grand scale.

[Bill Ryan]

The first instance of a non-symptomatic, non-Chinese citizen being compulsorily detained.


https://scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3048318/china-coronavirus-us-citizen-evacuated-wuhan

US citizen evacuated from Wuhan quarantined after trying to flee base

[Michi]

J.P. Farell talks about the Wuhan-Coronavirus in his latest "NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JAN 30" reading from a Zerohedge article:
DEDvH9cadb0

[Hughe]

The presenter speaks Korean. But the video footages of mainland China seems authentic, unedited.
kCTpm-NwPHI

[Bill Ryan]

More numbers updates, maybe telling a broader story. Given the inevitability of under-reporting for various reasons, these really are alarming statistics. Note the numbers of unfortunate people who are in severe (804) or critical (290) condition.


https://scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048320/china-coronavirus-deadly-day-hubei-record-high-42-patients-die

Deadly day in Hubei as a record high 42 patients die


Number of fatalities in China reaches 213, all in the mainland
Of the newly reported deaths, 30 were in Wuhan, health officials said

The daily death toll from the rapidly spreading coronavirus in China’s Hubei province hit a record high on Thursday, Hubei health authorities said, with 42 more fatalities.

Of the newly reported deaths, 30 were in Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, according to the Health Commission of Hubei province.

Thursday’s toll brought the nationwide death total to 213. So far, no fatality has been reported outside mainland China.

A total of 1,220 new cases have been confirmed in 17 cities across the province on Thursday, bringing the total to 9,356 nationwide, far exceeding that of the 2002-03 SARS epidemic, which killed almost 800 people worldwide.

As of Thursday, the province has reported 5,806 confirmed cases, with 32,340 people still under observation for infection. A total of 804 patients are in severe condition and 290 in critical condition.

[Sarah Rainsong]

A recent study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599) showed that the flu vaccine can cause virus interference (increases the risk of other respiratory viruses)wrt specifically the coronavirus:


Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus

Combine that knowledge with this from back in October: Flu vaccine stockpile to double this season (https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201910/31/WS5dba17d3a310cf3e35574898.html)


He Qinghua, deputy director of National Health Commission's Disease Prevention and Control Bureau, said at a news conference that about 28 million doses of flu vaccines will enter the domestic market this winter and next spring, which is peak flu season in most parts of China－more than double the number available during the last flu season.

Add in the pollution and other risks that have been mentioned upthread, and you have millions of people that would be particularly susceptible to a novel coronavirus.

[Delight]

Jefferey Jaxson analyzes info available on Coronavirus as of early 1/30/2020....

h1j2bIo5Ogc

[Delight]

James Lyons Weiler at 27:22 has evaluated the genome and it LOOKS LAB MANUFACTURED

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[AuCo]

Your Chance of Developing Symptoms or Dying From the Menacing Coronavirus That Now Threatens Global Human Populations Is 0.0000017482% (symptoms) 0.0000001137% (death)

This is according to lewrockwell.com (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/bill-sardi/your-chance-of-developing-symptoms-or-dying-from-the-menacing-coronavirus-that-now-threatens-global-human-populations-is-0-0000017482-symptoms-0-0000001137-death/)

The article tells us that:


Yep, the coronavirus is just a common virus that infects your nose, sinuses and upper throat and produces the same symptoms as a cold. But the fear that is being spread by public health authorities and the news media would make one think the earth is in the middle of a historic human pandemic.

The Coronavirus that is menacing human populations around the globe right now is an RNA virus that is “enveloped” so it resists eradication by one’s own immune system. In a very few subjects who are immune compromised, such as patients taking drugs for autoimmune disorders (Cyclosporine, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran), or youngsters who have undeveloped immunity, or others who are old and have weak immune systems due [to] malnutrition, they may develop pneumonia (drown in their own pus and fluid in their lungs) and be hospitalized, placed on a respirator, or die.

Just in case you are worried, out of a population of 7+ billion people on Earth, your chance of developing symptoms from this corona-shaped cold virus is ~1 in millions and for death ~1 in hundreds of millions. However, risk dramatically increases with advancing age and among malnourished populations such as in Asia where deficiencies of essential nutrients, namely zinc and vitamins C and D, are often prevalent. Modern medicine casts a blind eye at nutrition.

It strikes me from this that the corona virus is fear-mongering theatre on a grand scale.

China is all about face and would not let anyone interfere with their internal matters unless they absolutely believe it is indeed out of their control: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/health/airports-screening-coronavirus.amp.html

[yuhui]

Coronavirus update: Vaccine expected in Phase 1 trial within months, WHO to reconvene on Thursday

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-update-vaccine-expected-in-phase-1-trial-within-months-who-to-reconvene-on-thursday-2020-01-29

[Gracy]

Coronavirus update: Vaccine expected in Phase 1 trial within months, WHO to reconvene on Thursday

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-update-vaccine-expected-in-phase-1-trial-within-months-who-to-reconvene-on-thursday-2020-01-29

A show of hands who wants to be, say, first in line for some new and rapidly developed vaccine?

[Tangri]

I feel, I owe a clarification for Avalon Forum.
Somebody is cooking something but it can not fit at my table.

Coronavirus has several types as I mentioned at post#153.



" WHO (world Health Org) Declares Coronavirus Outbreak a Global Health Emergency"

Anygiven country at anygiven hospital can diagnose a patient with a coronavirus but it doesn't mean that it is same outbreak, ( subtypes of virus give same symptoms) unless it is proven , it has same (2019-nCoV) oligonucleotide sequence. ( without original biological material it goes "assuming" at scientifically acceptance)


Facts:
- Influenza A and B viruses – the primary influenza viruses that infect people – are RNA viruses that have eight gene segments. These genes contain ‘instructions’ for making new viruses, and it’s these instructions that an influenza virus uses once it infects a human cell to trick the cell into producing more influenza viruses, thereby spreading infection.

-Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.

Coronaviruses are zoonotic, meaning they are transmitted between animals and people. Detailed investigations found that SARS-CoV was transmitted from civet cats to humans and MERS-CoV from dromedary camels to humans. Several known coronaviruses are circulating in animals that have not yet infected humans.

-Seasonal influenza is characterized by a sudden onset of fever, cough (usually dry), headache, muscle and joint pain, severe malaise (feeling unwell), sore throat and a runny nose. The cough can be severe and can last 2 or more weeks. Most people recover from fever and other symptoms within a week without requiring medical attention. But influenza can cause severe illness or death especially in people at high risk (see below).

Illnesses range from mild to severe and even death. Hospitalization and death occur mainly among high risk groups. Worldwide, these annual epidemics are estimated to result in about 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness, and about 290 000 to 650 000 respiratory deaths.
/www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal)

I believe, it is a part of organized/ tailored racism. Each moment it goes collective hysteria. Mass media, social media are bombarding desinformation, bias interpretation.(Three Squeaks, bat soup)
It seems to me it is a deliberate act to create, fanning out malicious panic..

[James Newell]

There is still a feeling I have that this epidemic is 'Created' and that the real purpose is to give much more power to the UN and WHO. WHO has recently been badly doxed by videos of their high priest mistress of health. Yes people will die and have died from this. But, The NWO is making their move in 2020.

Do you really want to give up all your rights for the miracle vaccine that will make you safe from the terrible epidemic? I guess we will have to ask ourselves this, and Do you willingly do it?

Btw over a million and a half people die from car accidents a year, where is the hysteria and fear there? Shouldn't the gov't step in and enforce better cars that can't kill people? Also several of the pictures coming out of China re this are old pictures.
https://www.infowars.com/photo-of-coronavirus-hospital-posted-by-chinese-state-newspaper-is-actually-alibaba-stock-photo/

[Tangri]

Even (2019-nCoV) has several strains.

[apokalypse]

found this from zerohedge...

Looks like the Chinese military had the same Bat SARS-like Coronavirus in their possession 2 years ago.

Here is the NIH page showing Identical Protein Matches of the envelope protein from Wuhan 2019-nCoV:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ipg/QHO62113.1

Notice there are two entries not from the recent Wuhan seafood market outbreak:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/AVP78033.1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/AVP78044.1

Both sequences were provided on 05-JAN-2018 by:

Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command,
NO. 293 East Zhongshan Road, Nanjing, JangSu 210002, China

original post from zerohedge comment section : https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/6000-quarantined-italian-cruise-ship-due-virus-scare-russia-closes-border-china?commentId=098c989d-b5ef-4ba6-a3aa-5c50e2bc702e

[apokalypse]

The globalists wanted China and the U.S. to team up against Russia. Trump understood correctly that China was the main enemy and therefore a closer union between the U.S. and Russia was essential.
https://dailyreckoning.com/elites-have-destroyed-a-possible-u-s-russia-alliance-to-contain-china/

don't know but i'm interesting to know what's going on..now US and China work together combat virus.

[ExomatrixTV]

Would you look at that.

Study of the coronavirus genetics shows this new found strain may have been engineered and "accidentally" released for vaccine creation.

On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China (https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/)

[Did You See Them]

Breaking news: China will admit coronavirus coming from its P4 lab

https://gnews.org/89749/

[The Moss Trooper]

So now it is a WHO international emergency.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/30-01-2020-statement-on-the-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)


Cases are only up 7 percent since yesterday, 10 fold since when? You can say 100 fold if you reference back far enough, since patient one, cases are up 8300 fold!
Someone told the WHO to declare an emergency, they did not do that by themselves.

If they are going to declare this a global health emergency for 213 deaths when the flu kills over 20, 000 in the U.S. over a similar time frame almost every year, one needs to question motives.

[Bill Ryan]

If they are going to declare this a global health emergency for 213 deaths when the flu kills over 20, 000 in the U.S. over a similar time frame almost every year, one needs to question motives.Yes, 100% understood. And hundreds can die all at once in a plane crash, or hundreds of thousands every year from smoking-related diseases. (Or, regular flu.)

But this is something to do with risk management, and projections if this gets out of hand, which it might — whatever the initial causes or agendas.

If the early-guessing worst-case scenarios are close to correct, there may be hundreds of millions of fatalities in a few months' time. That's extreme, but doesn't seem 100% impossible. So the WHO declaration of emergency is to raise all defenses to stave that off... not to react to what's already happened, which might be in its earliest stages.

Just thinking aloud here, the main impacts, aside from many fellow human beings in great genuine suffering, may be economic. The world's factory has partially closed, and the world's supply chain of goods has partially been broken.

That situation might worsen still. There could be a global depression ushered in by all of this. Then hundreds of millions of families worldwide become affected through job losses and the like.

Other consequences might be mandatory vaccinations, mandatory travel restrictions, more global control (problem-reaction-solution), and all the potential measures we know all about. This is why what's rolling out right now may be very important to track, as best we can.

[Bill Ryan]

This is extremely interesting. (My added emphasis.) Copied here in full, as some readers may not be able to access the article.


https://theepochtimes.com/faced-with-existential-threat-to-their-rule-chinese-leaders-decide-to-save-11-cities-from-coronavirus-epidemic-insider_3220421.html

Faced With Existential Threat to Their Rule, Chinese Leaders Decide to Save 11 Cities From Coronavirus Epidemic: Insider

Top Chinese leaders at a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Politburo meeting last week expressed concern that the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak may put an end to their rule. They have decided to focus on preserving 11 major cities from being devastated by the virus.

Stephen Shiu Yeuk-yuen, a senior political commentator and media professional in Hong Kong, told the Hong Kong edition of The Epoch Times on Jan. 28 that he obtained the information from an insider in the CCP’s top leadership. According to Shiu, the Politburo emergency meeting was held on Jan. 25, on the day of the Chinese New Year.

The 11 cities on the CCP’s priority list of being saved are Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Hangzhou, Xi’an, Shenyang, Harbin, and Urumqi. The CCP is prepared to protect these 11 cities at all cost, even if it means sacrificing other cities, Shiu said.

Projected Death Toll Estimate: Between 1 and 2 Million

Shiu said that according to a recent research report (https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/basic-reproduction-rate-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-increased-to-2-13-times-and-the-epidemic-will-double-every-6-2-days/) by Professor Gabriel Matthew Leung, before the lockdown of Wuhan—where the deadly and highly contagious coronavirus originated—there were about 25,000 people infected with the coronavirus, and 15,000 additional cases during the virus incubation period. This means, the total number of infected people is roughly 40,000. Based on the spreading pattern, it is estimated that the current number of infected people around the globe is between 25,000 and 38,000.

Prof. Leung is Dean of the University of Hong Kong’s Medical School. He is also a recognized medical doctor and public health authority.

Leung’s report points out that without strong intervention measures in place, the number of infected people will double every 6.2 days, if the calculation is based on an even more conservative figure of 22,000 infected cases globally at present.

Leung estimates that in Wuhan, the number of newly infected patients will reach the maximum—about 200,000 per day—in April. In several other cities, including Chongqing, Guangzhou and Shenzhen, the number will peak in May. In the months that follow, the total number of infected people across the country will reach 18 million, with the total number of deaths ranging between 1 and 2 million.

Information Blockade and Cover-up

Shiu criticized the CCP for its cover-up and delay in taking measures to contain the virus, saying the main reason for this catastrophe is the blocking of information.

As a result, those who were infected with the disease were not quarantined in a timely manner.

Chinese authorities initially denied that the disease could be spread via human-to-human transmission.

In addition, for several days, Chinese medical authorities reported very few new cases in Wuhan and no new cases in other Chinese cities, giving the public a false impression that the novel coronavirus was not a threat to public health.

Then on Jan. 20, a leading scientist of China’s Health Commission, Zhong Nanshan, announced at a press conference in Beijing that the disease can spread from human to human.

Wuhan’s mayor subsequently announced a city-wide lockdown on Jan. 24, and quarantined the city on the same day—on the eve of the Chinese New Year. But millions of people had already left Wuhan for the holiday before Jan. 20, and nearly 300,000 Wuhan residents rushed to escape from the city before the lockdown was executed.

In addition, even after the city-wide lockdown of Wuhan, the central authorities failed to dispatch needed manpower and medical supplies, resulting in things such as corpses lying about on a hospital floor and citizens not being informed about virus prevention, all of which would further spread the virus.

The 11 Cities

According to Shiu’s insider contact, central authorities at the Jan. 25 Politburo meeting pointed out that the novel coronavirus outbreak poses a serious challenge to the legitimacy of the CCP’s rule. In other words, the CCP is facing a serious crisis and the threat of its total demise.

Shiu said he believes the epidemic, which is now getting out of control, will have “a deadly impact” on China’s economy. In his estimation, more than half of Chinese business activities will come to a halt. Hong Kong will also be affected, he said.

Therefore, the top officials at the political meeting decided to go all out to save the 11 cities from the coronavirus outbreak.

The insider did not give specific reasons as to why the authorities chose those 11 cities, but they are the commercial and military hubs in the country. It is well-known among mainland Chinese that the most developed metros and financial hubs are Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Hong Kong; and the military technology centers are Xi’an, Shenyang and Harbin.

Shiu predicted that Shenzhen, a city of about 20 million people that borders Hong Kong, will soon be completely isolated from other Chinese regions.

“There are many high-tech companies in Shenzhen,” he explained. “As for Hong Kong, the city’s government seems to be hesitating. I believe it is because they are waiting for the final instruction from the central government [Beijing],” he said.

Meanwhile, more than 15,000 hospital authority employees in Hong Kong have joined a new union (https://www.theepochtimes.com/hong-kong-unions-threaten-strikes-in-push-for-border-closure-to-curb-virus_3220724.html), urging the Hong Kong government to close the border with mainland China. According to the representative of the union, if they do not receive any response from local officials by Feb. 3, members of the union will launch a large-scale strike.

[Did You See Them]

Breaking: 2 patients in England who are members of the same family have tested positive for coronavirus - according to the Chief Medical Officer for England Professor Chris Whitty

https://news.sky.com/story/first-two-cases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-uk-11922375

[Eric J (Viking)]

Not sure??

KILLER BUG IN BRITAIN Coronavirus hits UK as TWO patients confirmed to have deadly Chinese bug...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860963/coronavirus-uk-confirmed-cases/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

Viking

[pueblo]

Coronavirus update: Vaccine expected in Phase 1 trial within months, WHO to reconvene on Thursday

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-update-vaccine-expected-in-phase-1-trial-within-months-who-to-reconvene-on-thursday-2020-01-29


A show of hands who wants to be, say, first in line for some new and rapidly developed vaccine?


Sounds good, maybe we could also get our chip implants with the vaccine? :bigsmile:

[Bill Ryan]

Jefferey Jaxen analyzes info available on Coronavirus as of early 1/30/2020....

h1j2bIo5OgcThe most interesting part of this show may be the presentation by Dr James Lyons-Weiler, who comes in at 23:10 and talks clearly and authoritatively about the situation.

He states the likelihood of this being a natural 'wild' virus is "about zero", and asserts that this comes from a lab — leaning slightly more to a bioweapons origin than the alternative, which is a vaccine experiment gone awry. He goes through the logic in a way that's easy for laypeople to understand.

Either way, he suspects the release is accidental. The bioweapons origin he thinks is slightly more likely because of the combo of (a) asymptomatic infection (i.e. people with no symptoms at all can still spread it), and what may be a high R0, or high transmission rate — but the R0 isn't clearly established yet, so that factor is still in question.

[Helvetic]

Here is another interesting interview with Dr. Francis Boyle.


Dr. Francis Boyle | Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon | Jan. 30, 2020

Source: guadalajarageopolitics.com (http://guadalajarageopolitics.com)

TsyujjitOFM

Dr. Francis Boyle discusses the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China and the Biosafety Level 4 laboratory (BSL-4) from which he believes the infectious disease escaped. He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up and is now taking drastic measures to contain it. The Wuhan BSL-4 lab is also a specially designated World Health Organization (WHO) research lab and Dr. Boyle contends that the WHO knows full well what is occurring.

Show Notes:
Interview with Francis Boyle on Biowarfare: U.S. Germ Warfare Program a "Criminal Enterprise" (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=https%3A%2F%2Fworldbeyondwar.org%2Fboyle-charges-u-s-germ-warfare-program-is-criminal-enterprise&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)
Anthrax War (documentary) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PquqlX8wnT0)
Weaponizing Biotech – China’s War for Biological Dominance (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=https%3A%2F%2Fgreatgameindia.com%2Fweaponizing-biotech-chinas-war-for-biological-dominance&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)
China Wants Wuhan Activists to Stay Out of Its War on Pollution (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Ffeatures%2F2020-china-wuhan-pollution&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)
2019: Gates Foundation, Others, Simulate, Outbreak of Novel Coronavirus (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.centerforhealthsecurity.org%2Fevent201%2Fabout&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)
2017: Inside Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnews%2Finside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)
2015: Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=27zbZgG4c_JL531hXqRaQeZZiqp8MTU4MDU0MDg5MUAxNTgwNDU0NDkx&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-scientist.com%2Fnews-opinion%2Flab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502&event=video_description&v=TsyujjitOFM)

About Francis Boyle
Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He received an AB (1971) in Political Science from the University of Chicago, then a JD degree magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, and AM and PhD degrees in Political Science from Harvard University. He practiced tax and international tax with Bingham, Dana & Gould.

Professor Boyle serves as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He also represents two associations of citizens within Bosnia and was involved in developing the indictment against Slobodan Milosević for genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Over his career, he has represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991-92, he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations.

Professor Boyle served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International, as a consultant to the American Friends Service Committee, and on the Advisory Board for the Council for Responsible Genetics. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

[apokalypse]

Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction?
Wuhan Institute of Virology is also connected with the recent, major scandal in Canada where two Chinese virologists working at Canada’s only Pathogen Level 4 virology laboratory, the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg were caught stealing and smuggling some of the most deadly viruses on earth, including the Ebola virus, back to China. The suspects — a Chinese couple, virologist Dr. Xiangguo Qui and biologist Dr. Keding Cheng — are now believed to be connected to China’s biological warfare program. Her husband, Dr. Qiu, was head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies Section in the Special Pathogens Program at the NML. Dr. Keding Cheng, also affiliated with the NML, specifically the “Science and Technology Core,” is primarily a bacteriologist who shifted to virology. According to ZeroHedge, “the couple is responsible for infiltrating Canada’s NML with many Chinese agents as students from a range of Chinese scientific facilities directly tied to China’s Biological Warfare Program, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Chengdu Military Region.
https://medium.com/@siradrianbond/coronavirus-2019-ncov-part-1-d6a338eed7c5

[Tintin]

From Kerry (Project Camelot (http://projectcamelotportal.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-bioweapon-predicted-by-2-camelot-whistleblowers/)) received by her on January 29th sent by somebody currently in Shanghai.

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"Camelot was sent this today Jan 29, 2020: (it may be at least a day old info)"

URGENT MESSAGE:

From a friend in China·

Anyone that sees this:

I’m currently living in Shanghai.

The Coronavirus is no joke.

All the videos and posts online (about dead bodies lying in hospital hallways and collapsing people and Wuhan being boxed in) aside as I can’t verify them and I don’t wish to fear monger on unsubstantiated evidence; Instead I will talk about what I know and have seen myself or from my family.

Just a few minutes ago Shanghai announced the closure of all highways and roads leading in and out of the city.

Yesterday Beijing announced the closure of the city as well. These are the two biggest cities in China, and they’ve gone into isolation. This has never happened in history ever.

The list of quarantined cities are growing everyday, and currently over 60 million people have been quarantined in Central China. That’s almost 3 times the population of Australia.

On all the projections and data that I’ve seen. Shanghai is the next major city after Wuhan to have the most infected. With Beijing being second.

Shanghai hospitals are full to the brim with patients who have flu and cold symptoms – Which are also coronavirus symptoms. Multiple hospitals have actually closed and shut down due to the amount of patients.

My relative came down with a fever a few days ago, and it took over 8 hours to see a doctor for a few minutes. The doctors refused to test them for the virus and only advised them to self isolate at home.

The government is refusing to diagnose the virus, so that the official count of infected and the death toll remains low. I am hearing that a lot of deaths are marked as pneumonia since the victim was never diagnosed positively for Coronavirus.

Shanghai has had it’s first death from the virus today. As far as I know, the first city to have a death outside of the Hubei province (Edit: Someone has corrected me that the first death was in Hebei)

The streets in Shanghai are like a ghost town. Partly also because of CNY where most of the people leave the city.

In a few days, CNY will be ending and hundreds of millions of Chinese (mainly in China but also many that are abroad) will be travelling back to the cities where they work and live. This will be prime time for the virus to spread harder and stronger.

There is no vaccine, and the only effective treatments so far are IV drops, hormonal injections, and recently discovered that HIV drugs are effective as well.

The virus can even spread from someone who is not displaying symptoms. So stay away from anyone who has recently been to China (Even me if I get to leave the country). The virus can enter through the eyes, nose and mouth. Don’t touch your face with unwashed hands. Bring antibacterial handwipes and handwash with you everywhere. Wear hospital grade surgical masks or N95 material masks with a respirator when going out to protect the mouth and nose. I also wear gloves to keep my hands clean in case I touch any infected surfaces.

Currently, all supplies are pretty much sold out all through China. Masks are impossible to get no matter which province you’re in. Hand sanitizer and the likes are rapidly dwindling. Goggles are also out as I haven’t been able to buy any. So I recommend people in Australia to start stocking up.

In Shanghai the infected count is easily way higher than official reports (40 officially infected) simply judging by the number of people in the hospitals who are afraid they have the virus. All it takes is for a few of them to actually have the virus, to then cough on others or on a surface, and then suddenly a clean person who has a fever from the flu gets sick.

I have multiple friends and acquaintances who asked for leave from their jobs in Shanghai, been denied the leave, and just straight out quit their job. Schools are also shut until Feb 17th, and if the situation hasn’t improved I have no doubt the closure would be extended.

Do not trust any official reports from China on what the situation is like over here. Censorship is rampant. At first China claimed it was all under control. But just yesterday Xi Jinping himself admitted the virus was accelerating and China was in grave danger. It’s not good when even a communist government admits it’s ****ed.

Vaccines themselves take months to develop, and then months and years to test and manufacture and distribute. We cannot count on a vaccine if this breaks out globally. Hopefully better treatments will be discovered meanwhile though. I am unsure how antibiotics affect the virus.

Confirmed cases in Australia were spread from travelers who entered the country on the 19th of January. That was a week ago. During that week, there would have been hundreds more flights from China which statistically speaking would definitely contain virus carriers. Maybe Australia’s healthcare is good and the virus won’t run rampant there like it did in China. But better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.

The virus has been closely compared to SARS in 2003. Since 2003 people travel a lot more, there are a lot more flights, and the world is just so unprepared for an epidemic right now. Moreover, SARS had an R0 of 2.5 (Every infected person infects 2.5 people) and Coronavirus is estimated to have an R0 of 3.8. The symptoms of SARS was also a lot more obvious. And most of the SARS infections came from a few superspreaders. Coronavirus spreads strongly amongst anyone. The incubation period is longer, with reports saying 3 days to 14 days. During incubation it’s not infectious, but it gives time for the carriers to enter a clean corona-free society. Not every infected person will have a fever either.

It’s worrying because there is nothing that China can do to contain the spread of the virus. The official death toll is growing by a dozen a day and these are all elderly people. Which to me doesn’t mean only those with weak constitutions fall victim to the virus. These are still early days and I feel like the young and healthy just take longer to succumb to it.

By worrying I mean ****ing scary. The situation here is in free fall and there’s nothing on the horizon that could possibly contain it.

Friends and family stay safe. If anyone has any questions about the situation in China just let me know.

[Tintin]

As many of us have wondered, the situation in China may well be very much worse than has been reported so far.

William Yang (https://twitter.com/WilliamYang120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1222612869260333056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fmarkets%2Fburning-bodies-secret-new-accounts-wuhan-detail-coronavirus-outbreak), who inspired much of the copy here, appears to be a very good source and may be worth following for reliable updates.

Abridged by Tintin, this from Tyler Durden at ZeroHedge, today.

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Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/burning-bodies-secret-new-accounts-wuhan-detail-coronavirus-outbreak

'Burning Bodies In Secret' - New Accounts From Wuhan Detail Coronavirus Outbreak



"So, there are reasons to remain skeptical about what China has been sharing with the world because while they have been more transparent about certain things related to the virus, they continue to be sketchy and unreliable in other aspects," said (William) Yang

Almost 2,000 new cases of coronavirus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/6000-quarantined-italian-cruise-ship-due-virus-scare-russia-closes-border-china) were confirmed in China on Thursday, lifting the country's total to approximately 9,692, surpassing all of the 2002-03 SARS epidemic in a matter of weeks. All of the deaths have been in China, now at 213. Globally, there are 9,816 cases of the deadly virus.

There have been doubts about the officially confirmed cases and deaths in China - could be much higher some claim.

The New Zealand Herald (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12304547) has published a new report that alleges Chinese authorities have resorted to cremating bodies in secret.

DW News East Asia correspondent William Yang cited a report from Chinese-language news outlet Initium (https://twitter.com/initiumnews), which said cremation facilities in Wuhan, the epicenter of the deadly virus, were receiving bodies directly from hospitals without proper identification and were excluded from the official record.

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"So, there are reasons to remain skeptical about what China has been sharing with the world because while they have been more transparent about certain things related to the virus, they continue to be sketchy and unreliable in other aspects," said Yang.

We noted Thursday night that over 100,000 Chinese had been placed under observation for suspected coronavirus.

The virus has uncontrollably spread across China, forcing the U.S. State Department to evacuate diplomats and citizens from certain parts of the country, but has also warned Americans not to travel to the region because of the outbreak.

The new travel advisory was issued hours after the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a global health emergency. "Those currently in China should consider departing using commercial means," the department said in the advisory.

Putting the coronavirus in the context of the deadly SARS epidemic, the coronavirus pandemic has now officially exceeded SARS in cumulative cases in just two weeks.

[... (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/burning-bodies-secret-new-accounts-wuhan-detail-coronavirus-outbreak)]

[Iloveyou]

A different, additional viewpoint from Peter Koenig, just for your consideration, food for thought, possibly . . .

The Coronavirus Epidemic: Chinese Resilience and Silent, Simple and Steady Resistance – A Model for Mankind

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinese-resilience-silent-simple-steady-resistance/5702102

[Pam]

Jefferey Jaxen analyzes info available on Coronavirus as of early 1/30/2020....

h1j2bIo5OgcThe most interesting part of this show may be the presentation by Dr James Lyons-Weiler, who comes in at 23:10 and talks clearly and authoritatively about the situation.

He states the likelihood of this being a natural 'wild' virus is "about zero", and asserts that this comes from a lab — leaning slightly more to a bioweapons origin than the alternative, which is a vaccine experiment gone awry. He goes through the logic in a way that's easy for laypeople to understand.

Either way, he suspects the release is accidental. The bioweapons origin he thinks is slightly more likely because of the combo of (a) asymptomatic infection (i.e. people with no symptoms at all can still spread it), and what may be a high R0, or high transmission rate — but the R0 isn't clearly established yet, so that factor is still in question.

I checked all the MSM media outlets for information that this is an engineered virus and didn't find a thing. I thought RT might jump on this, but not yet.
In fact, it really seems like the whole Corona virus issue is being downplayed a bit at this point. I suppose most of the masses will be happy with the story that this started from someone eating a bat.

[silvanelf]

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That's a very interesting article!

Along the same line as reasoning: the purpose of creating a vaccine and the malicious attempt to create a new coronavirus may use a similar approach.

The article contains a lot of details, here is just a snippet -- emphasis mine:


James Lyons-Weiler, PhD – 1/30/2020

RECOMBINATION technology has been in use in molecular virology since the 1980’s. The structure of the 2019-NCoV virus genome provides a very strong clue on the likely origin of the virus.

Unlike other related coronaviruses, the 2019-nCoV virus has a unique sequence about 1,378 bp (nucleotide base pairs) long that is not found in related coronaviruses.

[...]

Here, I review four Option on the origins of the 2019-nCoV Coronavirus isolated from human patients from Wuhan, China.

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Option 3. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a bioweapon.

Both China and the US hinted at the other side’s potential liability in playing a role in bringing about a novel coronavirus in the lab specifically for the purpose of being used as a bioweapon. To add to the intrigue, a Chinese Scientist was released from BSL-4 laboratory in Manitoba, Canada for violating protocols, allegedly sending samples of deadly viruses to mainland China.

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Evidence for: Presence of BSL-4 laboratory 20 miles from the Wuhan seafood market

Evidence against: Published opinion.

Status: Rumor. But see below.

Option 4. A recombined virus made in a laboratory for the purpose of creating a vaccine.

The very researchers conducting studies on SARS vaccines have cautioned repeatedly against human trials;

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The disease progression in of 2019-nCoV is consistent with those seen in animals and humans vaccinated against SARS and then challenged with re-infection. Thus, the hypothesis that 2019-nCoV is an experimental vaccine type must be seriously considered.

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Status: Most likely.

[...]

The available evidence most strongly supports that the 2019-NCoV virus is a vaccine strain of coronavirus either accidentally released from a laboratory accident, perhaps a laboratory researcher becoming infected with the virus while conducting animal experiments, or the Chinese were performing clinical studies of a Coronavirus vaccine in humans.

https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/

[silvanelf]

Breaking news: China will admit coronavirus coming from its P4 lab

https://gnews.org/89749/

Give me a break. IMO an unknown Western psyop department is working overtime to spread these rumors ...


A reliable source told Miles Guo today that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will admit to the public of an “accidental” leak of lab-created virus from a P4 lab in Wuhan to put blames on “human errors”. But the official announcement is still being finalized.

https://gnews.org/89749/

"A reliable source" means nothing, furthermore Miles Guo is a very questionable source. I know, wikipedia isn't a reliable source either ... but you get the idea.


At the peak of his career, he was 73rd among the richest in China. After falling out with members of the Communist Party leadership, Guo was accused of corruption and other misdeeds and forced to flee China. He fled to the United States in late 2014[8] after learning he was going to be arrested after allegations against him including bribing, kidnapping, money laundering, fraud and rape,[9] and is subsequently subject to an Interpol Red Notice.[better source needed][1][10]

Despite Guo's claims of being a whistle-blower, his statements were unable to be verified by newspapers such as The New York Times.[11] He is the founder of a media campaign entitled "Expose Revolution".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guo_Wengui

[Did You See Them]

Breaking news: China will admit coronavirus coming from its P4 lab

https://gnews.org/89749/

Give me a break. IMO an unknown Western psyop department is working overtime to spread these rumors ...



Above is a link sent by my Brother to me ( Now in Bangladesh until the 18th Feb - I'm trying to get him to leave now ! )

He works extensively in Far East (Shanghai and HK - clothing business )

These are links and info sent to him by Chinese and HK nationals there that he works with- in fact I wish I could show you some of the other info he's getting from them - situation is a lot dire than we are being told !

This is NOT Western psyop site.

[The Moss Trooper]

If they are going to declare this a global health emergency for 213 deaths when the flu kills over 20, 000 in the U.S. over a similar time frame almost every year, one needs to question motives.Yes, 100% understood. And hundreds can die all at once in a plane crash, or hundreds of thousands every year from smoking-related diseases. (Or, regular flu.)

But this is something to do with risk management, and projections if this gets out of hand, which it might — whatever the initial causes or agendas.

If the early-guessing worst-case scenarios are close to correct, there may be hundreds of millions of fatalities in a few months' time. That's extreme, but doesn't seem 100% impossible. So the WHO declaration of emergency is to raise all defenses to stave that off... not to react to what's already happened, which might be in its earliest stages.

Just thinking aloud here, the main impacts, aside from many fellow human beings in great genuine suffering, may be economic. The world's factory has partially closed, and the world's supply chain of goods has partially been broken.

That situation might worsen still. There could be a global depression ushered in by all of this. Then hundreds of millions of families worldwide become affected through job losses and the like.

Other consequences might be mandatory vaccinations, mandatory travel restrictions, more global control (problem-reaction-solution), and all the potential measures we know all about. This is why what's rolling out right now may be very important to track, as best we can.

Yes, agree with pretty much all you have stated there........... But.......

...... There is something niggling away at me about all of this. It doesn't 'feel' like a full-blown bio crisis. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but there is something that is just not right. We know, for sure, that there was a lot of manipulation and staging of images, hoaxes if you like, even just this time last week. Footage of people collapsing in the street, allegedly from coronavirus, that showed trees in the background in full leaf, meaning that footage was taken in the spring/summer and it is winter time right now in China. Wuhan airport remaining fully operational and fully active, for a city that was meant to be in "lock-down"........... Etc, etc.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a full-blown 'live test', a test to iron-out the final niggles before the big one. I have no doubt that mandatory vaccination is the end goal, maybe a Global mandate at that. Population control, individual tracking, DNA manipulation, take your pick but I'm almost 100% that it's on the cards, and soon.

[DeDukshyn]

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Yes, agree with pretty much all you have stated there........... But.......

...... There is something niggling away at me about all of this. It doesn't 'feel' like a full-blown bio crisis. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but there is something that is just not right.

I feel the same way. I'm not taking all this very seriously at this stage ... if we do hit 100 million deaths, then my attention will be fully piqued.
I felt the same way about SARS.



I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a full-blown 'live test', a test to iron-out the final niggles before the big one. I have no doubt that mandatory vaccination is the end goal, maybe a Global mandate at that. Population control, individual tracking, DNA manipulation, take your pick but I'm almost 100% that it's on the cards, and soon.

I felt that SARS was a "live test" -- this could be test 2.0. Or it could be the real deal. There's a good few other possibilities, but I'm not convinced of anything yet.