[HOAX] Taygeta - Pleiadian - Cosmic Agency - Communications from low orbit [Archive]

Elandiel BernElve

27th January 2020, 21:03

Hello all,

It's been a while since I've been here again.
I took another detour :) First of all I want to apologize as the last time I posted here I was enjoying the 'ask any question to Bill' thread and also convinced Nibiru was around the corner. I had my sincere reasons as I was observing sky phenomena that could not be explained through current Earthly theories; and I promised to give an update soon which luckily I never did.

So let's get that out of the way as I probably only created a (hopefully small) fuss for nothing.
Studying the HOPI prophecies will reveal a lot about what's 'up'. But no Nibiru won't ever come on my watch and annoy us.

Having said that I come back here to share with the avalon forum to anyone interested the channel 'COSMIC AGENCY' which for the past two years has provided extended and detailed communications and information from an extra terrestial source currently still in low Earth Orbit . It is of TAYGETA (part of Pleiades) origin and they are currently transferring knowledge to anyone willing to listen. ( I did an advanced search and couldn't find any thread about this, hence my effort now)

It is the most detailed and technical information I've ever come across about almost any subject that currently matters.

Taygetan influence goes back to the second world war where at least one operative disguised as a beautiful woman a infiltrated nazi germany (Vrill) to convince the Germans and especially Hitler to not develop a Nuclear weapon. They later attempted the same with Eisenhower, whom they met on a runway meeting a few times and until today they are providing assistance and support to Earth.

It amazes me however how little attention this channel and material is getting.
While they internet is flooded with doom scenarios, ashtar command crap and all sorts of very obscure channelings, this Taygetan information is raw, pure, technical and very very revealing of what is currently going on on Earth.

presented to you by Goshia, a very grounded woman who is not hovering far up in the clouds and the information is still in the process of being released.

Personnally I've never seen more accurate stuff than what she and her team present.

I encourage everyone to go and have a look. There's two years of videos worth watching but on the other hand it's not like there too many to catch up.

The subjects range from very technical i.e. stellar navigation, propulsion systems, actual imagery of et ships, cloaking, physics etc. to more grand subjects like what is the moon, the Earth control matrix, what phase is the Earth going through now how will the transition from 3D to 5D go in the coming years and much more.

On her request I share this video below and the entire playlist that is filled with pure gold of information. The Taygetans are litterally shouting to us: HELLO!! we are talking to you! You might wanna hear us out!!

She adresses the UFO authorities of the world to get out of their egos and pick up on this information :)

R-C6MjrXygA

NOBV8SvfmgI

Entire playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE_kWXZhJBbSNE-80ho7siES6U6o85_ms

And has anyone here ever stumbled across Naughty Beaver?
He takes off where Nostradamus left and ties together the nostradamus , hopi, christian and all kinds of prophecies in a way you didn't conceive possible.
Lol if not, you guys are in for such a treat

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGxafoHJvfWrqFpMQ1QwYQ/videos

Let this be my redemption for spreading Nibiru fear in the past hah!

May your future be prosperous and fortunate!

Eric J (Viking)

27th January 2020, 21:15

That's Gosia Duszak I think she might be here on Avalon...anyone?

Viking

onawah

27th January 2020, 22:05

I think this info will be relegated to the Members Only Channeled Information Sub-forum, as with all channeled info as of some time ago, when the Net and Avalon were being flooded with bogus channeled info and scams.
Until the Taygetans, if there really are such beings, have found a way to communicate more directly and openly with humanity, this info will most likely be met with a great deal of skepticism, if not cynicism.

TomKat

27th January 2020, 23:09

What are Pleiadian craft supposed to look like? Anyone know?

onevoice

28th January 2020, 04:57

According to this source (http://www.meiersaken.info/Spacecrafts.html), here are some pictures of the Pleiadian ships:

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Reconnaissance_craft.jpgReconnaissance craft: Diameter 3,5 meter or 11,5 feet, Crew: 1 person

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Beamship_version1.jpgBeamship type 1: Diameter 7,0 meter or 23 feet, Crew 1-3 Persons

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Beamship_type2.jpgBeamship type 2: Diameter 7,0 meter or 23 feet, Crew 1-3 Persons; In use on Earth as of 1997

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Beamship_type3.jpgBeamship type 3: Diameter 7,0 meter or 23 feet, Crew 1-3 Persons; In use on Earth as of 1997

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Beamship_type4.jpgBeamship type 4: Diameter 7,0 meter or 23 feet; Crew 1-3 Persons; In use on Earth as of 1997

http://www.meiersaken.info/images/Beamship_type5.jpgBeamship type 5: Diameter 7,0 meter or 23 feet; Crew 1-3 Persons

There are lots of other useful information at the source.

Here is another illustration of a Pleiadian spaceship (https://www.crystalinks.com/billy_meier.html):
https://www.crystalinks.com/semjaseufo.jpg

EFO

28th January 2020, 06:00

What are Pleiadian craft supposed to look like? Anyone know?

As onevoice showed in sketches are what Eduard "Billy" Meier photographed and filmed over the years.

Wendelle C. Stevens made a documentary about him where you can see original photos and videos of them and not only.

"CONTACT - E.T. Experiences of Eduard Meier - UFO Investigation Documentary.
Film/Investigation started, spring 1978.
It took 5 years to complete the investigation.
The evidence in this documentary speaks for it self."

CONTACT - UFO Incredible Investigation Documentary of Eduard Meiers Experiences
(1:37:28 hrs.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWf3VTCgSgM&t=1687s

aoibhghaire

28th January 2020, 13:56

Hi Elandiel BernElve,

I agree with you the Pleiadians/Plejaren, or Errans are already here, but my understanding is that they have already announced themselves with physical proof back in 1975.

I have followed with interest your contacts from Erra. Are they the same ETs as the previous announcement from 45 years ago or are they in collaboration with the other Errans that may there announcement and presence then? May be your announcement of the Errans to the world may be the next phase of full physical presence on a larger scale to the other announcement. However, here follows my previous understandings of the original announcement and the considerable problems one has to endure to get the message out to the world. The obstacles that have to be endured.

This was announced originally in headlines in Die Speigal and many more international newspapers picked it up in 1975. This caused a lot of problems for the intelligence communities from USA/UK. There was considerable interference from the agencies to debunk this whole on going story since then.
The contact was through a Swiss farmer called Meier whom has had Plejaren, or Erran encounters. This resulted in him having 21 attempted assassinations, attempted abduction of his daughter, the manipulation of his photos and films, a lot of this alterations from the film processing at source. The agencies have successfully achieved de bunking to this day. Meier claims that these photos were altered by intelligence agencies and slipped into his collection in order to discredit his UFO testimony. Other allegations include focus and light-direction problems consistent with cut-and-paste and model techniques. I also know through a contact of mine that stayed there for a few months that the best photos were put into a bank safe for the future. Meier and his family were continuously harassed by outside forces, which eventually broke up his marriage with Kalliope. The protection eventually came about through others to support him at his farmhouse. What this proves is that the authorities/intelligence agencies are well aware of the reality of this ET presence world wide. Why go to all the trouble of suppressing this evidence.

A friend of mine, an ex secret service agent eventually told me that the Meier case was a big thorn for the intelligence community. Interestingly enough the Plejarens/Errans had intervened with the intelligence community on occasions when Wendelle Stephens and others were making progress in the early stages of their investigations. Stephens team eventually published the book ‘Contact with the Pleiades’ . This caused such a lot of problems for all those involved with this project. It cost at the time 100k US dollar (1980) (private investment) to analyse the data, material, etc using labs, leading edge post processing of images, etc.

Thanks to some contacts I had a long time ago that worked with Meier I managed to receive some original material , photographs and graphs of the sounds from the craft, etc. This was analysed with similar results that Wendelle Stephens team got in the USA. The authenticity of all this material stands up to scrutiny.

Other friends of mine carry out the translations from German to English.
Only about 10 per cent of the translations are complete from the contact notes to this day.

The book ‘When And Yet They Fly’ set the standard for a clear, concise introduction to the extraterrestrial contacts of Meier. In simple and easily understood language, author Guido Moosbrugger brought this largely untold story alive with eyewitness accounts, reviews of the scientific evidence and almost 40 colour pages of UFO photographs taken between 1975 and 1979. The many eye witness accounts and similar photos of the craft in the vicinity make it more credible. The sounds were witnessed by 40 persons with a distribution of 4 sound recorders independently distributed. Even a Swiss air force pilot came clean many years later to announce his encounter with one of the craft was for real.

Meier has probably the best photographs of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), which he presents in support of his claim that he is in contact with extraterrestrial beings. He also presented other material during the 1970s such as metal samples, sound recordings and film footage. The metal alloy samples are said to have been given to Meier by the Plejarens/Errans and then passed on to Wendelle Stevens who then had them tested by chemist Marcel Vogel. Vogel said that in his view the samples using a (SEM) Scanning Electron Microscope could not have been made by means of contemporary earthly metallurgy as they were apparently produced via cold fusion.

A later book called ‘They Fly’ and it’s not only an antidote to too much online reading, it’s also a skeptic’s nightmare, as the clarity and reality of Billy Meier’s UFO photos, dating back 50 years, are brought to life through digital enhancement. For the first time, it shows the details of the UFOs in Meier’s original 35 mm film photos – taken long before the digital age, PhotoShop, etc. – with stunning clarity. Of course one is grateful for digital tools such as PhotoShop, for what they’ve already revealed about some of Meier’s most unusual UFO photos. This more recent book further substantiates the revelations, from Garrett Moore, about how attempts were made to falsify Meier’s UFO photos by the well-known book that Kal Korff wrote, which has been a big influencer to ufologists and the general readers at large.

Meier reports regular contacts to this day with extraterrestrials; he calls the Plejaren/Errans; Meier claims that the Plejaren/Errans look similar in appearance to humans, that the Plejaren/Erran home world is called Erra, and that it is located in a dimension which is a fraction of a second shifted from our own dimension. Interestingly enough the planet Erra has about the same diameter, spin rotation and similar atmosphere as the Earth.

Meier's discussions with the Plejarens are highly detailed and wide-ranging, dealing with subjects ranging from spirituality and the afterlife to the dangers of mainstream religions, human history, science and astronomical phenomena, ecology and environmental dangers, in addition to prophecies of future historic trends and events. A lot of these future events and discoveries came true many years before there time.

I can understand the perception of a lot of ufologists whom have approached this case from a mechanistic scenario, are not ready for the larger reality that is been presented by the Meier case, with its wide spectrum of consciousness that needs to be personally experienced and at least understood in order to understand this case.

The sustained debunking and fake media, attempted assassinations will I believe at the end of the day vindicate the Meier case.

Elandiel BernElve

28th January 2020, 18:30

Hi aoibhghaire

First of all thank you for your reply! I always appreciate anyone taking the time to respond and so will I do the same for you. Secondly, they're not my contacts (literally). I just voluntarily shared it on this forum for anyone interested.
Gosia is the one taking care of the contact but I'm not in any way participating in her team or whatever. I just vouch for the content more or less.

I am aware of the whole Meier story and they could very well be the same group however I've seen read and researched all that information over 15 years ago. I haven't ever dismissed it but you know.. it wasn't the end of the line, just the beginning so I moved on from there and I wouldn't remember all the details anymore. But Svarru of Erra sounds like them. And the fact they've overloaded someone with information of which only 10% gets translated sounds exactly like the gosia case.
But to be honest, for me and many younger people of my age it is sometimes getting tiresome as is mentioned in the video to always hear and get stuckon those 'old fossils' (no disrespect intended) from different 'times' while we're living in a timewindow at the moment that is full of extra terrestial activity that is clearly being dismissed. all the while we've jumped or morphed into different timelines since those years.

That's what I like about this Taygeta content. it's waay beyond the childish point of 'hello did you guys aliens exist and do you know there are ufo's?' it's hardcore deep intel so to say, up to par, up to date and up to speed with today.
Back to the ship imagery then. I've bought myself a big beautiful 15 inch Newtonian reflector telescope to do some sky and nightwatching and altough I haven't spotted large ships yet I do have the strangest imagery of stars and celestial objects.
Unfortunately I can't do it too often as I live in country where it's clouded all too much but below is an example of pictures made through telescopes of what the contact explains as some of their ships. not made by me, but visible with such a telescope.
Y8vrAtmAuc4

The disc shaped ufo's are just personal transports/ fighters.

The arcturian mothership (ANTEPLEX) has also been spotted and photographed in recent years.

Elandiel BernElve

28th January 2020, 18:34

What are Pleiadian craft supposed to look like? Anyone know?

This is one of the things explained in the STELLAR NAVIGATION series.

Atmospheric personal craft are often disc, V or sphere shaped as the require at least 3 gravitational engines.

Interstellar ships however can take any form as the propulsion systems are different offering more possibilities of different setups.
This should give you an idea
Y8vrAtmAuc4

TomKat

29th January 2020, 03:13

onevoice

29th January 2020, 17:31

According to this source (http://www.meiersaken.info/Spacecrafts.html), here are some pictures of the Pleiadian ships:

Those look like the Billy Meier craft. He later said they are not Pleiadian, but Plejaran. Barbara Marciniak channels Pleiadians, not Plejarans...

According to the article (http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/%E2%80%9Cpleiadians%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Cplejarens%E2%80%9D-billy-meier-alien-contact-case) below, Barbara Marciniak is not to be trusted. The article further explains that in reality there is no Pleiadians as there is no habitable planet within the Pleiadian star systems. For me the article makes a compelling case, but who knows what the real truth is, there seems to be so much obfuscations in this subject.

Also see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98816-Ascension-Psychological-Operations-5D-PSYOP&p=1167273&viewfull=1#post1167273) from TrumanCash where he doesn't have high opinion of Barbara Marciniak:

Whether the "Ra, Law of One" channeling was a government/corporate mind control project I cannot say for sure. However, my viewpoint is that it appears it was created by ETs or perhaps ET AI. I say this from my own experience with channelers in the Yelm, Washington region where I lived. I received personal channelings from Barbara Marciniak's "Pleiadians" and found the information to be a total pack of lies wrapped up in warm and fuzzy ideas, love and light. I documented this in the "Journey to Discovery" chapter. However, if the secret government/corporate complex is involved in these machinations I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Also, Marciniak's book title "Bringers of the Dawn" reveals the ancient symbolism of the Luciferian star in the east that heralds the rising sun.

“Pleiadians” or “Plejarens”? On the Billy Meier alien contact case

We previously touched upon the issue of what the difference is between “Pleiadians” and “Plejarens” (which was originally also spelled “Plejarans”). And what, if anything the difference between these terms have anything to say about those who employ them.

The Pleiades aka M45, Seven Sisters, etc. are a star system within the good ol' fashioned known universe which as accurately represented by supporters of Billy Meier and according to his alien contacts. They note that, “solid matter - let alone material life - cannot exist in blue-hot plasma for more than the time it takes to ionize it”

In the FIGU Bulletin 005 Billy Meier wrote that his alien contact Ptaah stated:

“the fact that there exists no intelligent or any other type of life on the Pleiades -- hence, neither an energy collective nor any similar terrestrially-invented foolishness -- we have received a related confirmation from the Arahat Athersata, who queried the highest of all existing high spirit levels and received a reply to this question to which Arahat Athersata already knew the answer beforehand: namely, no intelligent energy form, let alone life form of any type, exists on the Pleiades' celestial bodies. The same applies also to Venus, Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto, Neptune and Uranus.”

Meier adds:

“the Pleiadians/Plejarans…do not come from these stars but from another space-time configuration in another dimension 80 light years beyond the Pleiades. Their constellation is also called the Pleiades/Plejares, just as they are named here.”

Even though Billy Meier repeatedly employs the term “Pleiadians/Plejarens,” the point of the two terms is to have a manner whereby to distinguish between those in true contact with the aliens, the Plejarens (of which Billy Meier is the only one) and those who are not in contact with them who are identified via their claim to be in contact with Pleiadians:

“People from the Pleiades…do not exist. According to Sfath's Explanation, Billy was told as a young boy that by initially using the term Pleiadian, when referring to the origin of his contactors, the fraudsters and deceivers who would later also claim to be in contact with Pleiadians would and have now have been exposed.
Billy was told that the Pleiades star cluster in our space-time configuration is too young to support life and the Plejares is the true star system from whence Sfath, Ptaah, Semjase and the other Plejaren originate.”

Thus, the disparity between the terms Pleiadians/Plejarans is variously explained and, perhaps, explained away. We knew about the Pleiadians before we knew that of which they consisted. Thus, Meier’s early references to his alien contacts being from there could have been his appealing to a named and observed but, as of yet at the time, unknown star system. Later, when we found that no physical life (nor according to Meier’s alien contact could spirit) could live there he could have changed his tune, his terms, and simply claim that the change was planned all along.

After all, the first contact (at least in this lifetime of his) was in 1942 AD and yet, it was “1975, when I made my contacts with the Pleiadians/ Plejarans public knowledge.”

Other reasons for the correlation, confusion, disparity, etc. are said to be caused by translations:

“the fact that the officially designated publisher of the Meier material in English still makes references to the ‘Pleiadians’ and that they departed (!?!) in 1995 – the time they revealed their true origins in the Plejaren system – is more than a little confusing.”

Indeed, it is confusing but this excuse is not reasonable since, as already noted, Billy Meier himself writes in terms of “Plejadisch-plejarische” which means that he is perpetuating the correlation of terminology grammatically but not conceptually or, spatially.

In fact, there is a Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte Block 1, Seiten 11-20 Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 1, Pages 11-20 which has the alien Sfath stating (in 141-143) that “many swindlers report worldwide in regard to alleged meetings with me and my successors, and they appear with false and fraudulent messages…these false contact persons” who will “be recognizable as they assert that their physical or telepathic meetings and connections exist with beings from the Pleiades system of this space-time configuration.”

This is because “we do not belong to this space-time configuration and thereby also not to this Pleiades system…and is absolutely uninhabited and uninhabitable in every regard, when thermo-bacterial life is disregarded which will disappear again in some tens of millions of years without higher life of some kind ever being able to exist there, subsequently spiritual beings will also never exist on these Pleiades stars.”

Thus, “in order to unmask the future swindlers, my successors and you will not name our origins according to our own language-term, Plejaren, rather by the terrestrial-human term, Pleiades, in order that the swindlers will then use this term, whereby they will expose their own fraud and lies as well as slander.”

In further contact notes many such personages are mentioned such as Randolph Winters, George Green, Lee Elders, Randy Winters, Roberta Brooks, “the contact liar Fred Bell,” “that other ruthless ‘channeller’ Jani King.”

Then there is Lyssa Royal who claims of herself that “One of the entities that I work with now (Sasha) says she is a physical extraterrestrial from the Pleiadian star system” yet, about whom Meier adherents state, “charlatans and/or fruitcakes like Lyssa Royal and her emergent ilk.”

There is also Barbara Marciniak (about whom we previously wrote here (http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/what-are-aliens-and-ufos-whitley-strieber-and-barbara-marciniak-do-not-know)) and about whom the alien Ptaah stated the following (in the 252nd Contact, February 14, 1995 AD):

“Barbara Marciniak who, in her delusions, perceives herself as a trance medium, while she is, truthfully, nothing more than an obscure person and fantast (WV) of the same category as Fred Bell. She is engaged in shady wheeling and dealing regarding (WV) other people on Earth as well as herself by purporting to have contacts with an energy collective from the Pleiadian star cluster…

All claims made by this obscure person and fantast (WV) are simply her own inventions and fantasies and there is not the tiniest shred of truth in them -- except, possibly, for a few items she has plagiarized from your written material…”

About such claimants to Pleiadian contact, the Billy Meier camp has much to say, such as that which follows. Let us begin with the self-affirmation by Meier that he is the one and only person in touch with the Plejarens as he writes about “the lies they spread regarding the contacts they were supposedly having with the Pleiadians” who spread “heinous lies and vicious fraud, for not one Pleiadian/Plejaran maintains contacts with human beings on Earth --- except for me --- a fact the Pleiadians/Plejarans have repeatedly and extensively emphasized throughout my many contact years with them…As the only true contactee of the Pleiadians.”

Supposed Pleiadean contactees are

“all equally ‘sick in the head’ for they are simply psychopaths, individuals suffering from psychogenic disorders, schizophrenics, etc; they may also be deliberate frauds, liars, hoaxers or charlatans who wish to project themselves into the forefront for reasons of their own image, profit or sectarian faith.”

He writes of “their contactee-medium-channeler delusions” asserts that they are “tortured by sectarian delusions” that their “claims are pure, unparalleled nonsense” as they “pop out of the ground like poisonous mushrooms” but are, in reality, “frauds, liars and deceivers.”

TomKat

29th January 2020, 22:42

Marciniak's channelings seem like almost any other channeling that has been popular since the 80s, except that she says they're Pleiadians: Bashar, Dr Peebles, off the top of my head...

EFO

31st January 2020, 08:30

Andre

31st January 2020, 09:52

Hmm, listened to a few of the videos and came away feeling like it was a lot of re-hashed info already widely available in the public domain. Never any difficult or challenging questions. And the overall tone makes it sound like the intended audience is a bunch of kids. They spout this Prime Directive and in one breath they say they can't intervene and in the next breath they are shooting down a missile intended to start a war with North Korea. I hope their planet is in better shape than ours, but you have to wonder listening to this Taygetan.

aoibhghaire

31st January 2020, 14:17

Thanks for clarifying Elandiel BernElve.

I’ve checked out about 12 ET channelers in my early days including well known ones and ones that were not known at the time. There are channelers and channelers!

Practically all channelers are not grounded and the information they receive is useless, non sensical that has no use for making any progress in this world. Unfortunately, most people are completely trapped and enamoured with these channelers. It’s all down to ones abilities of the powers of discrimination of knowing who they are dealing with. Of course, there are exceptional channelers like Edgar Cayce. At least he had valuable information that could be used, like providing new cures that addressed peoples diseases.

I got my best evidence of information with physical content from the following channelers that I never met, but eventually met because of the events that took place sometime after. When you make the effort in ones ET project mission on Earth the ETs will come closer (metaphorically speaking) and support your project. The purpose is to bring a new level of awareness onto the planet. This can work through the subconscious without people consciously realizing this outcome. But in time with so many people becoming awake to these outcomes there comes a tipping point.

Barbara Faulkinberry whom is a healer/ET contact channeler,(unknown to the public) works in the USA, had astonishing contact information without my knowledge of knowing her. Her contact information was about the ET work I was doing in another continent. The information was from a similar ET group as Meier’s.

One of her students (whom didn’t know me) was very interested in knowing where I was in the world. This resulted in the student flying to Europe and eventually finding me. I lived at the time in a remote area of Europe, off the beaten track. My means of contacting me was through the village telephone exchange. My name was not registered with any telephone number. The telephone belonged to a friend of mine. All this was intentional so that I wouldn’t be known. If any body wants to find me they would have to make an effort.

This was a combination of nonlinear and linear processes that her student was carrying out. I eventually was linked up with others internationally, resulting in a mission to make preparations for an ET craft landings in a remote part of the world. This was successful in bringing in a new level awareness on to the planet. A number of individuals from different countries got the contact information to meet up. The process works in a nonlinear way. Its quite common within this non linear process to have connections with people from diverse backgrounds whom would have a high frequency of synchronicities and dreams bringing them together in most unusual ways. For Australian Aborigines and American Indian elders this is a common practice.

Anne Brophy whom was another channeler in Europe, independently (unknown to the public) had picked up in her ET contacts similar to Meier’s, of ET craft activity in a specific location where I was working on a planned landings. Again, I wasn’t aware of Anne Brophy, but somebody had overheard my project mission, I was introduced to her and had it confirmed she also had picked up this information. It proves that we are all connected at other levels. Sheldrakes work of morphic fields (morphegenetic resonance) of interconnections demonstrates this situation. Action at a distance is real.

Billy Meier without saying, not only has the contact information but physical craft and landings. It also involved other witnesses, the contact notes and the spiritual teachings. Interestingly enough, the Plejarens had landed independently in other parts of the world before selecting and having Meier agree to his mission. They Plejarens had met 5 people independently to see if they would take up the Plejarens mission. An example of one encounter took place in Syria back in 1974 with a young German woman whom was camping in the desert foothills well beyond Damascus. There were a number of examples as far as Australia. Not everybody was prepared to take up this mission except for Billy Meier as we all know.

The point I’m making is that if you are dealing with channelers, there must be some results on the ground that supports there channeled work, not to be deluded with other channelers illusions. Of course there are some exceptions to these situations.

Malgorzata

2nd February 2020, 14:41

Thank you so much for mentioning my work in this forum. Someone directed me here. Thank you also for recognizing the importance of what is happening with our experience, and of the information. Between me and Robert in the Spanish world (I run both language Youtube channels) we have over 500 videos already filled with detailed information on all subjects, technical and metaphysical. This is NOT channeled information. This is a live direct written contact, we also had audio communication and 1 physical interaction, of which, however, I cant speak much of yet. This communication from the Taygeteans in the orbit is the most outstanding ET contact (with reference to the information given) in a very long time. I am still pinching myself its happening to me, but it is :) Enjoy your day everyone and I invite you to visit my channel COSMIC AGENCY. Gosia out. ;)

Malgorzata

2nd February 2020, 14:51

Let me hit you with some examples of the information being shared by them.
First, WHAT IS TIME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2NK2o9FMEE[/url]

And here one of the videos, ONE OF MANY, on Stellar Navigation and how their ships work in Supra Luminar (warp drive mode): https://youtu.be/yuafUjfUeXM

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuafUjfUeXM

OSIRIS7

3rd February 2020, 16:12

like i said before in another forum , the pleiediie can not be trusted , 7 decades of promise , and nothing happens .
they have another agenda from what i have learned and the ones who look humanoid like us r the worse.
a fraction will interven with a huge ship and the weapons of mass destruction will stand helpless against the rectifier that will come from outer space .
no more talk , action is what we need .
greetings Andre , and you have a point ;they shoot down some stupid satelite or missile and yet do more ..... the so called prime directive .... my A..

Ernie Nemeth

3rd February 2020, 17:05

Every story, whether scientific or channeled, fact or fiction, is merely a way to divert attention from the only subject of importance.

There is a war going on, and has been for a very long time. It is not a physical war, although it is fought on every timeline and reality frame. It is a war for your mind, as Alex Jones might say. But it is not a war with bombs and rampaging hordes running amok, in which all of us must choose a side. It is a war of ideas, with every idea a land mine housing an explosive subject that unfurls into complication and confusion. No topic is safe because every topic refers to the one mistake, and the musing on it first must accept its validity, at least for the nonce.

There is a war going on for your mind, but you do not have to choose an allegiance. Your existence is the badge of your allegiance. Every idea that requires you to 'be' other than you are is working against your best interest. Every idea that leads a merry chase through landscapes of infinite probability are merely means to waste your time and are best summed up as: seek but never find.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. God's mind cannot be wasted. Nor can it be partaken of in tidbits. God's mind is total, as is the creation that exists within it. Partial truths are the domain of the evil one, who prefers form over function - beauty rather than quality. But we are not a body, and we are not an idea yet to be fully imagined. We are not even here, as that is but an error in perception. We are not even separate entities, because what was created whole cannot be separate.

Do not take the word of a disembodied voice or the one who receives them (including yourself). They (you) are mistaken and merely clutch at straws. Take no ones word and remain sovereign. No ones idea is better than the idea that created you. Go within and receive your own message. It will not be accurate but it will be personal. So long as we regard ourselves as little beings of no significance, here one moment and gone the next, our foundation is faulty and in need of extension.

But don't take my word for it...

EFO

4th February 2020, 05:31

Let me hit you with some examples of the information being shared by them.
First, WHAT IS TIME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2NK2o9FMEE[/url]

The informations contained in this video made me understand better not only my experiences,but also what happened to me since the time when I have my first conscious memory of me.Now I understood why I wasn't able to drive that ship:I wasn't able to mentally connect to the ship,despite the fact that on that console appeared later some colored buttons and knobs and a screen in front of me showing me a race track in a city during night with a care stuck before taking the curve ahead."They" were very lenient to me seeing me that I couldn't drive that ship and "showing" those buttons,knobs and screen,despite the fact that I WANTED to drive a ship and they fulfilled my wish,demonstrating me that I wasn't prepared for that.I was disappointed of my failure and I felt that they felt my disappointment,like a "transfer" of feelings.

Reviewing now that sequence is very funny to see my "desperation" from that moment pushing all that buttons and starring at that screen trying to move that that car which represented the ship. :rofl:

Now I have to watch your second video posted and perhaps will bring more light.:)

SalOfTheEarth

5th February 2020, 10:23

Hi, I've been following Cosmic Agency for over a year. To clarify: ***this is NOT channelled information***! They are quite literally chatting via the internet, in both English and Spanish. I was present in a rare Live session where a male pilot was answering questions via Gosia's connection.
Of all the information I have encountered, theirs is the most consistent, the clearest and for me, the trustiest. We each have to use our own discernment but I for one would not recommend this source unless I felt it to be genuine.

EFO

5th February 2020, 10:35

SalOfTheEarth

5th February 2020, 10:49

Again, just to be very clear: Gosia of Cosmic Agency, nor Robert of Despejandos Enigmas, nor Saiel, nor Dale Harder are not channelling their information from the Taygetan Pleiadians but communicating using internet chat. This is taxing for the Taygetans as they are operating in that 'nanosecond away', having to lower their 5th density frequency to our 3rd density. This heavy frequency, if immersed too long, makes them ill.
They are doing what they can to help us raise our frequency and bridge that gap.

Please watch most, not just a few, of Cosmic Agency's playlist to give the information a fair chance. There is a lot to absorb but if you are truly interested in this topic, then Cosmic Agency has a lot to give.

SalOfTheEarth

5th February 2020, 10:54

@EFO Here is the link to the Live session:az0MVR8ZOCk

EFO

5th February 2020, 12:23

@EFO Here is the link to the Live session:az0MVR8ZOCk

Thank you SalOfTheEarth!

I already watched five or six of the them from about 130 on Gosia's channel since the thread has started about a week ago.To one of the videos which has already posted I replied,but there is so much informations not only to be listened,but to really understand it and even compared with what I know or with what I didn't understand in my past experiences :)

Iyakum

5th February 2020, 17:33

Ok, unfortunately I have to answer that now. I just hope that nobody takes it personally, that it is not a criticism of participants personally.

There are some things that seem strange to me, so I will ask these points as questions.
So the pictures or representations provided by onevoice is my first question. Didn't the Germans already build such saucers in WW II? Was it then brought by the USA together with the scientists to the USA to continue working on it?

Next up was the pilot "Semjase" who flew one of the flying objects as a demonstration flight to prove ... Uh, what did she want to prove? Now this demo flight took place in 1976 if the information is correct. But the Second World War was over 31 years ago. The ships were in the US on which German scientists worked. In 1997 these flying objects were still in use, but it was no longer a secret project. Which brings me to my next question. In all the time since WW II was over, no attempts were made to modernize these flying objects, let alone keep them secret?

How Goisa reads the questions from the unknown chatters in the first video and these are then answered by "Kall-Ell" or others.
I watched the video almost to the end. The questions that were asked were mainly technological questions, such as propulsion, steering system, weapons, speed, whether a human could fly or control these objects. All of them were answered with yes. The control of the objects works automatic, mental and manual possibilities that even a person can manage without great difficulty.

Further questions. The answers that "Kall-El" gave were not audible to me in the video. Still, the answers sounded very old-fashioned. I mean the technology that these Pleiades "voluntarily" share with us, what should it be good for?
Something else that bothers me. Outdated technology that some people are already using. So what's interesting about such a technology? I'm not a technology professional, but I've seen a lot in my life. Some things that make me doubt these videos.

There was another question that Kal-El then answered. Are the flying objects able to deactivate nuclear warheads? Answer: Yes we are, we would also do it if necessary. But the Centauri are responsible for it and not us.

No, a clear no. Can anyone explain why it is so important to get technology? Technology from a supposedly sophisticated breed that travels from their home to the Pleiades about 500 light-years away and that distance in a time of 1-7 hours ...? What was the drive technology again? Plasma and magnets or both mixed? Then are the flying objects still able to "make light jumps"?
The light travels 300,000 kilometers per second, and in one year the light travels about 10 trillion km, or more precisely: one light year corresponds to a distance of 9.4605 trillion km.

Ok I think that's enough questions.
I do not know this breed Pleiades, I have heard of their homeworld or star system but nothing else.
I know other races for that, but they had a fixed rule, a law. This law said no interference in the development of other peoples younger than them.

These races were and are advanced cultures that I have lived under for a very long time. They do help, but knowledge about specific technologies has never been exchanged. So I'm really surprised that these Pleiadians share their knowledge with a certain number of people.
Nevertheless, this sharing and the passing on of supposedly "high-tech knowledge" seems to me to be very unbelievable. It reads and sounds like a ScFi film.

@ EFO. What did I write to you last Sunday? That there will be questions about technology. But those that are not answered will not cause any damage for the reason.

Bill Ryan

9th February 2020, 14:16

Hello, Everyone: :flower:

Something important to say here, if I may. Maybe several things.

First, I watched this video. Gosia released it on 31 January, but it's not been posted on the forum. (If it had been, I think it might have been soundly dismantled by now.) But it deserves an intelligent critique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0sDMyCGa8
I used to know the maverick physicist Dr Jack Sarfatti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sarfatti), who had a great sense of humor, a fierce intellect, and Italian blood. He'd enjoy jousting with his colleagues, and the audience would greatly enjoy the interactions. His favorite put-down was to say: "That's not even wrong." :)

But here, in response to this video, Sarfatti might lose his ever-present wry smile and wit. His response to the sheer silliness featured here might be unprintable.

Now, if you go to Gosia's channel, and check the Community (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2MMhSGDuf9kKXPvXfgOr9w/community) tab, you'll see some comments about Avalon. Among them is that this is a "dark place" and that I "work for the CIA". <sigh!!>
(Side note: one commenter, Temijin (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMWM2Qx7jehehufFeNIKowQ), shared that their application to join Avalon had been "rejected". It might have been, but because they didn't apply under that username, I was unable to check. There are actually three categories of response to an application: approval, rejection (always polite), or to please re-apply because there wasn't enough information there. Any application not in English is automatically in the last category, where we ask the applicant to please re-send their application in English. Anyone who's ever disappointed by our response is more than welcome to write to ask why they weren't approved, and I will always reply personally.)
:focus:
So what follows is for those reading this who feel this is an 'attack'. Not so. I know Gosia (Avalon member Malgorzata (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?28116-Malgorzata)), and she's a beautiful, heart-centered soul who always means the best. :heart: That I definitely know. So there's absolutely no 'attack' on her here.

But Gosia, you're being fooled.

"Taken for a ride", as they say in English. Now I'm certain. Whoever's sending you these messages

Is human.
Has a great imagination.
Knows little or no real science.

Avalon's tagline is "where science and spirituality meet". In this coronavirus video, there's no spirituality, and definitely not a tiny smidgeon of science.

Aside from the recommendation that we shouldn't get vaccinated unless there's something like smallpox on the loose (and every Avalon member would 100% agree, including myself), there's not a single accurate statement in the video about the virus. Not even close.

It's poor fiction, at the level of an imaginative teenager but who doesn't know a thing about virology. For anyone who genuinely wants to learn more — and it's not a hanging offense not to know much about virology or epidemiology — make a big pot of tea or coffee and work through this Avalon thread. There's a LOT of accurate information there, compiled from many good sources.

The Wuhan Coronavirus (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus)

Finally, two points.

1) In response to some posts that rightly point out that this isn't "channeled" information, that seems to be correct. But it's definitely "controversial", and that's being kind.

Not because there's disagreement about it. Because we now know some of it is 100% definitely false, and (arguably) irresponsibly misleading. That then throws the entire whole claim into doubt — and that's being kind, too.

At least Corey Goode hasn't said the novel coronavirus doesn't really exist. Even he and David Wilcock know better than that! When it comes to measuring this information against those discredited standards, we know there's a problem here.

2) If such a thing ever happened to me (Gosia wrote that she was "pinching herself" that "this had happened to her"), I'd immediately form a close team of smart people to take their own independent look at what appeared to be happening.

At least if information was coming at me over the internet from some strange source, I'd want someone to help me establish the IP address. :)

And then I'd ask the Taygetans some of my own questions that don't come from a live chat. As in a fun 2010 Doctor Who episode (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem_in_fiction), I'd ask them if they could please send over a neat, one-page proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. Or the Goldbach Conjecture. Or the Riemann Hypothesis. Or please share one or two photos of their home planet, or some of the animals that live there, or the inside of their ship.

Gosia, please ask them that, and then see how whoever's sending all this stuff to you responds. Pay attention to the excuses they'll give that they can't do that. (And they will.)

Now, if anyone's read all my post here (thank you! :sun: ) but NOT watched the video, please do that... it's only 15 mins long, and it's well worth your time.

To Gosia: you're a very lovely person :flower:, but please pay attention here. You're leading a lot of people right down the garden path... again, as they say in English.

:)

TomKat

9th February 2020, 15:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0sDMyCGa8

Using my spectrometer :-) I have determined that this Taygetean stuff is the least convincing hoaxing I have ever seen. They clearly flunked Hoaxing 101.

Ernie Nemeth

9th February 2020, 15:42

This particular recommended video seems rather tame to me. And I would not have watched it or any other of these videos otherwise. It is exactly as I pictured it and vindicates my reason for not watching any of them.

Gosia is a very sincere individual. Intelligent and well-meaning, to be sure. Not to mention beautiful.

I detest when an individual is lead down the garden path because I observe it happen every day, to myself and others. It makes my blood boil. So I don't watch because I can't be neutral. I already know the recipe and am not interested in baking it up and serving it to our masters. Neither as an observer or as a victim.

But the special thing is hard to defend against since it is why we are here. We all want to be special because we were created together as one, and so none holds special status. This does not sit well with our egos and so this world is the result of petulance and willful ignorance.

Everyone wants to be special but that cannot even be possible. So, to be special requires that there be a lot of needless suffering going on when that special status cannot be attained.

Once you take the bait the game is on! They will feed you tripe and call it fillet. And you will eat it with gusto. And relish every bite. Because they came to you, and not someone else. Blessed you must be to receive this repast. And so, even against better judgement, the verdict is...I MUST BE SPECIAL!

Take Bill's advice to heart. Ask tough questions. And insist on the straight answer, no excuses. Everyone carries photos of their home and their loved ones in their pockets when on a business trip - they would also and could easily provide irrefutable proof - especially to the chosen one.

In any case, I wish I had never got involved. But I guess that is why I am here.

Le Chat

10th February 2020, 13:49

Bill Ryan

10th February 2020, 14:03

Or please share one or two photos of their home planet, or some of the animals that live there, or the inside of their ship.
Gosia, please ask them that, and then see how whoever's sending all this stuff to you responds. Pay attention to the excuses they'll give that they can't do that. (And they will.)

Well said!

I wonder if Gosia will do so?It'd be so easy for the Taygetans, if they're real (and while I was open-minded for a while, I'm now sure they're not) to do something simple to nudge the world to pay close attention.

They could tell Gosia their craft would make a brief appearance at low altitude over Los Angeles (or New York, or London, or Barcelona, or Paris, or....) lasting exactly 2 minutes at 12 noon local time the next day.

Just long enough for people to take some excellent, detailed photos.

If that transpired as promised, I'd start to be very interested again. I mean Gosia absolutely no disrespect, but I'm afraid I feel certain that would never happen, and that she would never ask those kinds of questions. (And their coronavirus information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109805-Taygeta-Pleiadian-Cosmic-Agency-Communications-from-low-orbit&p=1335116&viewfull=1#post1335116) is still silly nonsense!)

13th February 2020, 15:05

Hi, I've been following Cosmic Agency for over a year. To clarify: ***this is NOT channelled information***! They are quite literally chatting via the internet, in both English and Spanish. I was present in a rare Live session where a male pilot was answering questions via Gosia's connection.
Cool... I invite them to come join the forum and explain themselves if they have access to the internet. There's no good reason for them to not reach out to an assortment of people throughout the metaphysical community. I'm sure we'd like to talk to them directly. :)

stal

14th February 2020, 06:30

Hi, I've been following Cosmic Agency for over a year. To clarify: ***this is NOT channelled information***! They are quite literally chatting via the internet, in both English and Spanish. I was present in a rare Live session where a male pilot was answering questions via Gosia's connection.
Cool... I invite them to come join the forum and explain themselves if they have access to the internet. There's no good reason for them to not reach out to an assortment of people throughout the metaphysical community. I'm sure we'd like to talk to them directly. :)

descendant of procyon b who finds most of this type of information to be suspicious or heavily coded here. i would also like to see/hear what they have to say.

Iyakum

14th February 2020, 15:28

A question from a fan of Gosia.

Gosia, have you seen real pictures of Swaruu or her team? Just curious
BTW, I love your videos & all the info Swaruu gives u to share with us!

The Answer of Gosia

Yes, I have. Not of men though. Just women. Men are especially protected. Thank you! :) <---? ! ? Men are especially protected... by..?

A big THX to Bill Ryan. I totally agree with you, there is nothing that can be checked that these videos really correspond to reality. If you ask for information, even the smallest information like a photo, you will get an answer that there are only photos of women, since men are under protection. Why are mens protected under this Pleiadian breed? Are they threatened with extinction? Then maybe it would be a good idea to make love and more babies.

What I am very interested in is the question. Why do these Pleiadians refuse to appear in public? What is it that breed is trying to hide? Because if I remember the videos correctly, the technology they use is more than just outdated. All questions and the answers will be answered by Gosia. The questions from her fans are asked to Dhor KhallEll about Gosia.

Without wanting to get too close or attacking someone. All of this seems more like a sect to me. The more fans, the more confusing everything becomes. Finally, two questions. Question nr1. If it is true, what exactly do you want to achieve with it, more and more followers? Then question nr2. If this information about their skills, knowledge and technology is so explosive and therefore important for us humans. Why is there no reaction from the powerful governments like the USA or Russia, China, etc. etc.?

I don't know, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's me who doesn't understand what's behind it?

Philippe

14th February 2020, 20:12

All of this seems more like a sect to me. The more fans, the more confusing everything becomes.

Oh yes, and the more controversy the better because humans like mysteries and it makes them stick to it like with glue. In that sense nothing new as a formula to create a sect with potential to become a big new religion. But I observe that it is the internet with it's possibility to create sites where people must subscribe to follow others, that has created a whole new industry for making a living . In that sense we may expect many more of such initiatives. Also the art of scamming has reached unseen degrees of "perfection". Some people can lie without any remorse using the most noble of feelings.
Better say to that lady that if not getting any physical proof is explained because of some 'decree of non-interference", she better tells her sources that they should shut up immediately because they are interfering.
And one more thing about detailed testimonies like from known hoaxers like Goode or Bassiago: they have a sophisticated work model of inventing these details to make it all believable. Fraudsters do it just like the best mythoman.

Bill Ryan

15th February 2020, 14:09

I've moved this thread to the Known Hoaxes and Other Bad Information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?160-Known-Hoaxes-and-Other-Bad-Information) section. I've now watched a number of her videos, and Gosia is being deceived. She's a nice person, but I'm afraid it's as simple as that.

Why she can't see this for herself is an interesting question I'll leave others to answer. She should know better.

I have to say this:

It's starting to look like another Corey Goode cult — maybe even more insidious, as Gosia is a far more appealing and pleasant person. The similarities are the ridiculousness of the information presented, and the credulity of a growing number of followers who seem unable to think clearly for themselves and blindly believe everything they hear, and want to hear — without checking a thing.
Trust this nonsense at your own risk. :) We've seen all this before.

Denise/Dizi

15th February 2020, 16:12

Denise/Dizi

15th February 2020, 16:16

A side note? I DO believe that my contacts were real.. That they were the real deal.. I just make sure that when I share such things that? That I do confess that they way they interacted with me could be debatable. And that it is just my conclusion that these folks weren't from here. I think that is at least fair and honest..

Bill Ryan

15th February 2020, 16:39

A side note? I DO believe that my contacts were real.. That they were the real deal.Yes. There's absolutely no doubt that many people have had real contacts, taking many forms.

The problem starts when the contacts, or apparent contacts, start to supply information in a flood. That was happening back in the early 1950s, and hasn't stopped since.

So here's the interesting rhetorical question, to anyone who's reading this.

If this happened to YOU, how would you handle it, and what would you do?

Here are some suggestions — but it might be worth a thread of its own to discuss whatever the wisest way through this may be.

~~~

Be VERY VERY careful of the trap of being baited-hook-lured into feeling 'special' with the inevitable boost to one's ego... however nice and well-meaning a person you may be.

DON'T go public immediately. Consult a small group of trusted friends and ask them for assistance in evaluating what the heck is happening.

If you feel confident enough, by all means share your honest-to-God personal experience. But it's just an experience.

Even if you feel compelled to share information that the contacts have supplied you with, then approach that as an experience as well. Report it, with intelligent caveats, but don't necessarily believe it.

Don't be the first member of your own cult. That always ends in tears.

If you do believe it, then fair enough — but explain exactly why, and supply all the evidence you can. (Gosia, how about some screenshots? Please, at least.)

Be very very aware of your responsibility to others.

And be aware of the immense risk you pose to yourself and your reputation.

Be willing to re-evaluate things and realize you're wrong... if you are. It's another trap to weld your self-esteem to a fixed position, nailing your colors so firmly to the mast that you can't separate them again — even if the ship is sinking.

EFO

16th February 2020, 06:13

I have to go "Off Topic".. But I feel in many ways it is very on topic, as it goes to support Bill's idea that indeed Gosia may be being fooled.

I too, have had contacts. They referred to themselves a "Dals" or "Dolls", and like Gosia, they used the internet at times. They pushed information to my device without me searching it. I sat as they controlled my browser. I had to consider that indeed this could be an earthly source of manipulation, given what I know about tech support and remote access. And if any one of you have issues with your device, and call tech support, you will be stunned at how fast, with your permission, access to your own devices can be gained.

My "Contacts" were a bit different in that they had other elements that couldn't be so easily accomplished. Craft over my house, V2K, or actual telepathy, and much much more. While I believe they were actual contacts, I was also aware that there was other influences involved, which does make me still consider that it could have been ONLY human or military intervention.

While we want the truth, I believe that we must always have some healthy skepticism, even in our own experiences, and evaluate them logically. Even if they defy logic. I tell people of my experiences and the truth is? I can't prove it was et, even to myself. Given how it presented. I have no images to show of those craft, I didn't have a camera in my hand.. And I can't make it happen upon insistence, meaning, I can't just think I want them to return, and POOF they start talking again.

So I took the information they gave me, most of it geared for only me to begin with, and made good use of it.. But I certainly wouldn't begin to push it out into the public, for just these reasons. I feel it hurts people to do so, as they will eventually be torn apart for not having that proof. And a GOOD et, wouldn't ask someone to do that.

George Adamski, and Billy Meier were exceptions in that they had photos... Photos that would be difficult to falsify at the time. They had witnesses. Or at least Adamski did, if I remember properly. I do not discredit Gosia, And want to say hello to her... But I do want to suggest that she either put some disclaimers on her channel, or I fear she too, will be picked apart by the community.. And I would hate to see that happen, she is so lovely..

I had two craft hovering over my house, to prove to me that they really had the tech they suggested.. Again even that could have been earthly in origin. And I always keep that in mind. We have to, to get to the real truth.

You pointed very well Denise/Dizzi!Today are so much ways of communication available for "interaction" then it was before,that is very hard for some to understand without having their own such experience/s.Everyone will now that its experience is genuine when it come from "the internal natural side" of that person and not influenced by external "stories".

More than that,when internet is "leading" us to "information" having nothing to do with what we are knowing or interesting and further more those primary informations "lead" to more detailed and intricate informations which "lead" us to conclusion that those informations are producing beneficial positive effect/s not only for the "researcher",but also for other people,well...at least this is a personal proof hard to be demonstrated because this kind of "interaction" is happened in time and not regular,mostly when its needed on spot or for the near future.

I am not defended Gosia,but some of her informations send from S'waruu happened to me,not in the same manner,but somehow in a similar manner,but with the same result.

Based on above presented logic,I could be also considered a hoaxer,but I simply don't care.I knew what I saw,filmed and photographed over time,informations and dreams that I have and strange experiences happened in the past and present and I'm sure that will be more in the future,because information must flow.

In Romania we have a saying:"Those who have ears,have to listen."

Lets give Gosia some credit and let the time decide if S'waruu's information are hoaxes or not...

Denise/Dizi

16th February 2020, 18:08

You pointed very well Denise/Dizzi!Today are so much ways of communication available for "interaction" then it was before,that is very hard for some to understand without having their own such experience/s.Everyone will now that its experience is genuine when it come from "the internal natural side" of that person and not influenced by external "stories".

More than that,when internet is "leading" us to "information" having nothing to do with what we are knowing or interesting and further more those primary informations "lead" to more detailed and intricate informations which "lead" us to conclusion that those informations are producing beneficial positive effect/s not only for the "researcher",but also for other people,well...at least this is a personal proof hard to be demonstrated because this kind of "interaction" is happened in time and not regular,mostly when its needed on spot or for the near future.

I am not defended Gosia,but some of her informations send from S'waruu happened to me,not in the same manner,but somehow in a similar manner,but with the same result.

Based on above presented logic,I could be also considered a hoaxer,but I simply don't care.I knew what I saw,filmed and photographed over time,informations and dreams that I have and strange experiences happened in the past and present and I'm sure that will be more in the future,because information must flow.

In Romania we have a saying:"Those who have ears,have to listen."

Lets give Gosia some credit and let the time decide if S'waruu's information are hoaxes or not...

I certainly do not mind if Gosia continues to engage in making videos, as I said, she is lovely.... and brave to put herself out there as the voice for another... (Hello Gosia).... But I fear she will quickly be ignored in the community as just another "Fly by night" joke, and I would hate to see that happen... as she is a member of this community, and I know she puts a lot of effort into her work.

So my engagement here is to be a "community member", and just let her know she has my support, just not in the way that she is presenting her information now. When I listen to her videos, it reminds me of Corey Goode.. "Just believe it, because I had these contacts, and this is what they say".. Dangerous ground these days.. Even if some of the messages are beautiful and friendly..

I have no desire to suggest that she is not having contacts and or experiences with "Others", and sharing that which she is told... But I would stop short of promoting her videos..

I am writing more as a means to support what Bill is suggesting, about how the information gets shared.. As he knows his stuff and he can help others to avoid pitfalls in this community..

Denise/Dizi

16th February 2020, 18:38

Bill Ryan

16th February 2020, 18:59

I just have to ask, because this has been really bothering me... Is Gosia "Joy Jackson" from the whole "Corey Goode" fiasco?No. Totally different people. I know Gosia, have chatted with her on Skype (before she got involved in all this), and she's a Corey Goode critic.

EFO

16th February 2020, 19:07

I just have to ask, because this has been really bothering me... Is Gosia "Joy Jackson" from the whole "Corey Goode" fiasco?

I don't want to imply that she is someone else, but they sure do look alike, and well, I just cant shake the feeling that I have seen her before, and with the heavy promotion of her new channel, it just seems as if she has a lot of experience in promoting herself, and she has quite a little group of people also flooding sites to promote her work.

And while her profile image kind of looks like her, she looks completely different in the videos? She looks more like Joy.. when you compare videos.

Seems so very familiar.. Cosmic Disclosure, Cosmic Agency... 24.6k subscribers already, yet no one knew about this channel? Was this a Sphere Being Alliance page, name changed for a different audience? Now being sold to us as something new? Even the images avoid her photo.. Until you see the videos.. I just get a strange vibe about this...

There was a hint that Joy and Corey were closer via Jay W. with his interview with Stina.. that they were more than mere "friends".. Perhaps they're still working together?

Someone speaking to an individual that cannot be proven, a lot of information that can't be checked.. Can someone tell me that I am mistaken? And they look so much alike. Her presence as "Joy" seems to have all but disappeared.

And I get the sense that her accent is fake. Is it just me? I just want to make sure we aren't being manipulated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrKBXXGPNY

Naaaah,not even close...facial features,voice,Joy looks older than Gosia and even face wrinkles are not in the same place :).

Denise/Dizi

16th February 2020, 20:04

I saw some differences but couldn't help but notice some incredible similarities in the still images. Thank You for the clarification.

Bill Ryan

17th February 2020, 00:55

Lets give Gosia some credit and let the time decide if S'waruu's information are hoaxes or not...I spent a little time today watching some of the videos. If I may say, it was quite easy to pick out anomalies and errors.

This is just a tiny fraction of what's there.

1. Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Message: Falsity of Earth Science (Swaruu)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4xuS_NXFywE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xuS_NXFywE)
Oct 20, 2018

At 12.28, Swaruu quotes Tesla (in writing, which Gosia reads. The quote is on screen):
"The theory of relativity is nothing more than a heap of manure wrapped in a colorful cellophane of mathematics" (Nicola Tesla)
I searched pretty hard, and I can't find any reference where Tesla ever said or wrote that. Those search terms are pretty easy to use. :) Someone please find that for me if it's a real quote, but right now I'm assuming it's an invention. (Tesla's name is mis-spelled, too, and this was a long statement that was sent to Gosia in writing.)

That same video is an articulate, lengthy polemic against the "religion" and the "priests" of science. Few Avalon members here would take issue with much of it.

But while it's well done, many Avalon members here could write that, including myself. What would distinguish it would be some examples of what 'real' scientific truths are, if we're all being deceived.

It sounds impressive — but there's absolutely no substance there at all. Not a single name, research paper, equation, or gene sequence. Just a lot of words.

2. Disclosure, Ascension, Timelines: Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Contact (Taygeta)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UTPjVHV1Oow
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTPjVHV1Oow)April 17, 2019

Linked to #1 above, in this video Swaruu mentions "Taygetan Quantum Mechanics."

That's very interesting, but there's not a single equation offered by Swaruu to show where earth science has it all wrong. You'd think that would be so easy for her. With real advanced mathematical physics being shared, a lot of people would pay close attention.

3. Not Real People: Extraterrestrial Message from Pleiades (Taygeta) (7)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xr3ugoVlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xr3ugoVlk)
Oct 22, 2018

At 2:34, Swaruu states that "unreal people don't have a soul", and that's the difference between "unreal" and "real" people. (An echo of the Quartz Crystal thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.).) I don't accept that for a millisecond.

4. We Formed the Vril Society: Taygetean Pleiadian Message (Rashell of Temmer)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FZQzNUNvSZs
April 26, 2019

Rashell talks at length about Maria Orsic, the pre-war German Vril Society, and much else.

A tiny picky point is that Rashell appears to say Orsic was German (she was supposedly born in Zagreb, Croatia), but more important is that I personally asked both Peter Levenda and Joseph Farrell about Maria Orsic, and neither of them in all their documentary research have ever found any evidence that she really existed.

This is to ignore the many other claims made in the video, which are extreme. "The Galactic Federation" is also mentioned, always a red flag. While such interplanetary agreements and alliances must exist, this is just too much like regular internet and YouTube lore.

At 10.13, "The Sphere Alliance" is mentioned by Rashell as being real.

At 10:52, "The Agarthians" (who live in the "Hollow Earth") are mentioned as also being part of the Federation.

At 15:27 "The Grays of Orion" are mentioned. (Though later Rashell refers to them as Reptilians). That's another piece of internet and YouTube lore.

As most reading this will know, Orion isn't a location, or a star system of any kind. It's just an arrangement of stars, which we see grouped together from our viewpoint but some of which are comparatively close to us and others are MUCH further away. It's simply a constellation, which really means that it's a direction in the sky. NOT a "place". But many YouTubers don't understand this at all.

5. TR3B Triangle Spacecraft Technology and other Extraterrestrial Subjects (Swaruu of Erra)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V4dz725Xjec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4dz725Xjec)
July 8, 2019

At 19:26 Swaruu states that one version of the TR3B is "jet powered", with the same powerplant that the very small F-117A stealth fighter has — although she offers a totally unconvincing and highly unlikely explanation of how it's harnessed. I don't buy that for an instant. However the power train is configured, a regular jet engine can't accelerate a 600 foot long ship the weight of a navy battleship to Mach 10 within seconds. :)

She then goes on to state that the "TR" in the designation stands for "Trainer Restricted". That's not the case. It stands for Tactical Reconnaissance, just as the "SR" in "SR-71 Blackbird" stands for Strategic Reconnaissance. That's another invention by someone who doesn't know much about aircraft.

6.Corona Virus - Taygetean Pleiadian Findings: Threat or Hoax? (Extraterrestrial Message)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0sDMyCGa8
Jan 31, 2020

I've already written (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109911-HOAX-HISTORY-IS-BEING-MADE-IN-FRONT-OF-YOUR-EYES-but-nobody-s-listening&p=1335179&viewfull=1#post1335179) about Gosia's coronavirus video (post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109911-HOAX-HISTORY-IS-BEING-MADE-IN-FRONT-OF-YOUR-EYES-but-nobody-s-listening&p=1335179&viewfull=1#post1335179) in this thread), which (as Dr Jack Sarfatti would say) isn't even wrong. :) There's so much that's blindly, irresponsibly incorrect about that presentation that it would take a much longer post to lay it all out.

~~~

And I've only just got started — though I might not continue for much longer.

Mike

17th February 2020, 01:56

yeah, just ask for a very specific answer to a very specific question..preferably science based.

ive never seen any channeling source answer one of those sufficiently. ever

Bill Ryan

17th February 2020, 02:05

yeah, just ask for a very specific answer to a very specific question..preferably science based.
Math too... a back-of-an-envelope proof of Fermat's Last Theorem would be nice :bigsmile:

EFO

17th February 2020, 08:10

Lets give Gosia some credit and let the time decide if S'waruu's information are hoaxes or not...I spent a little time today watching some of the videos. If I may say, it was quite easy to pick out anomalies and errors.

This is just a tiny fraction of what's there.

1. Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Message: Falsity of Earth Science (Swaruu)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4xuS_NXFywE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xuS_NXFywE)
Oct 20, 2018

At 12.28, Swaruu quotes Tesla (in writing, which Gosia reads. The quote is on screen):
"The theory of relativity is nothing more than a heap of manure wrapped in a colorful cellophane of mathematics" (Nicola Tesla)
I searched pretty hard, and I can't find any reference where Tesla ever said or wrote that. Those search terms are pretty easy to use. :) Someone please find that for me if it's a real quote, but right now I'm assuming it's an invention. (Tesla's name is mis-spelled, too, and this was a long statement that was sent to Gosia in writing.)

That same video is an articulate, lengthy polemic against the "religion" and the "priests" of science. Few Avalon members here would take issue with much of it.

But while it's well done, many Avalon members here could write that, including myself. What would distinguish it would be some examples of what 'real' scientific truths are, if we're all being deceived.

It sounds impressive — but there's absolutely no substance there at all. Not a single name, research paper, equation, or gene sequence. Just a lot of words.

2. Disclosure, Ascension, Timelines: Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Contact (Taygeta)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UTPjVHV1Oow
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTPjVHV1Oow)April 17, 2019

Linked to #1 above, in this video Swaruu mentions "Taygetan Quantum Mechanics."

That's very interesting, but there's not a single equation offered by Swaruu to show where earth science has it all wrong. You'd think that would be so easy for her. With real advanced mathematical physics being shared, a lot of people would pay close attention.

3. Not Real People: Extraterrestrial Message from Pleiades (Taygeta) (7)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xr3ugoVlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xr3ugoVlk)
Oct 22, 2018

At 2:34, Swaruu states that "unreal people don't have a soul", and that's the difference between "unreal" and "real" people. (An echo of the Quartz Crystal thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.).) I don't accept that for a millisecond.

4. We Formed the Vril Society: Taygetean Pleiadian Message (Rashell of Temmer)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FZQzNUNvSZs
April 26, 2019

Rashell talks at length about Maria Orsic, the pre-war German Vril Society, and much else.

A tiny picky point is that Rashell appears to say Orsic was German (she was supposedly born in Zagreb, Croatia), but more important is that I personally asked both Peter Levenda and Joseph Farrell about Maria Orsic, and neither of them in all their documentary research have ever found any evidence that she really existed.

This is to ignore the many other claims made in the video, which are extreme. "The Galactic Federation" is also mentioned, always a red flag. While such interplanetary agreements and alliances must exist, this is just too much like regular internet and YouTube lore.

At 10.13, "The Sphere Alliance" is mentioned by Rashell as being real.

At 10:52, "The Agarthians" (who live in the "Hollow Earth") are mentioned as also being part of the Federation.

At 15:27 "The Grays of Orion" are mentioned. (Though later Rashell refers to them as Reptilians). That's another piece of internet and YouTube lore.

As most reading this will know, Orion isn't a location, or a star system of any kind. It's just an arrangement of stars, which we see grouped together from our viewpoint but some of which are comparatively close to us and others are MUCH further away. It's simply a constellation, which really means that it's a direction in the sky. NOT a "place". But many YouTubers don't understand this at all.

5. TR3B Triangle Spacecraft Technology and other Extraterrestrial Subjects (Swaruu of Erra)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V4dz725Xjec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4dz725Xjec)
July 8, 2019

At 19:26 Swaruu states that one version of the TR3B is "jet powered", with the same powerplant that the very small F-117A stealth fighter has — although she offers a totally unconvincing and highly unlikely explanation of how it's harnessed. I don't buy that for an instant. However the power train is configured, a regular jet engine can't accelerate a 600 foot long ship the weight of a navy battleship to Mach 10 within seconds. :)

She then goes on to state that the "TR" in the designation stands for "Trainer Restricted". That's not the case. It stands for Tactical Reconnaissance, just as the "SR" in "SR-71" stands for Strategic Reconnaissance. That's another invention by someone who doesn't know much about aircraft.

6.Corona Virus - Taygetean Pleiadian Findings: Threat or Hoax? (Extraterrestrial Message)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0sDMyCGa8
Jan 31, 2020

I've already written (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109911-HOAX-HISTORY-IS-BEING-MADE-IN-FRONT-OF-YOUR-EYES-but-nobody-s-listening&p=1335179&viewfull=1#post1335179) about Gosia's coronavirus video (post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109911-HOAX-HISTORY-IS-BEING-MADE-IN-FRONT-OF-YOUR-EYES-but-nobody-s-listening&p=1335179&viewfull=1#post1335179) in this thread), which (as Dr Jack Sarfatti would say) isn't even wrong. :) There's so much that's blindly, irresponsibly incorrect about that presentation that it would take a much longer post to lay it all out.

~~~

And I've only just got started — though I might not continue for much longer.

Dear Mr. Ryan,

Please take all these from a neutral point of view and not from an objective point of view.

I will not contradict or be agree with your point of views about Swaruu's informations,despite of losing your effort,time and energy for bringing forth information that,could or not,be confirmed by actual known or unknown knowledge.Of course somethings looks like non-sense for somebody,but also have sense for others,just as me agreeing or disagreeing with subjects on Avalon.

Speaking from what I experienced and related to your 3rd bullet about not real people and being short,jumping over details:about a year ago,in one of my "dreams" I was lead by an "ex-girlfriend" through an underground facility where "people" worked on conveyor belts producing all kind of packed food for the people from the surface,showed me by working sectors and "workers" categories that those "people" are as follow:prepared to be "dead",almost "dead" and "dead"."She" doesn't explained me how this "process" is done.I simply "understood" the message as other messages before passing along conveyor belts and I walked out on the door...

Could be creepy for some but it shows a realty that we are living in,of which I wasn't aware in such a simple manner that was presented...

This was an example of how I resonate with some of what Gosia presented in her videos...confirming in different manner some of my experiences and having a certain common point,but for the rest of them from your reply I can't say nothing despite that in time I read about those things,but I can compare "the infamous" TR3B,and with my statement I apologize to anyone offended,that is a wheelbarrow compared with "their" technology and more than that all our armament and ammunition we have are only pebbles and sticks...

I only want to confirm one more think in the end,which I'm sure that is already known,that some ships that I saw have a sort of plasma field/ionized field in front of them or surrounding them (I saw,if I remember well,four of them having this kind of field).The last one that have that field was on Christmas eve in 2015 and it was red - perhaps I will made a drawing and add it here editing this post.

Well,these were some of my points where I say that some of informations are correct from my point of view and are only my experiences compared with those informations.Nothing more,nothing less.

Frank V

17th February 2020, 09:33

At 19:26 Swaruu states that one version of the TR3B is "jet powered" [...]

She then goes on to state that the "TR" in the designation stands for "Trainer Restricted". That's not the case. It stands for Tactical Reconnaissance, just as the "SR" in "SR-71" stands for Strategic Reconnaissance. That's another invention by someone who doesn't know much about aircraft.

According to what I myself have either read or heard ─ and if the latter, then it's most likely from an interview with Michael Schratt ─ the "TR3" designation is an incorrect one, and unintentionally concocted by people overhearing the actual designation of the project but not having heard clearly what was said. Again, as the story goes, instead of "TR3", it should actually read "Tier-3", which was the code name for a proposed (but possibly cancelled) US Defense project.

To the best of my knowledge, it was Kerry Cassidy who popularized the term "TR3" (with its respective "-A" and "-B" suffixes for the supposedly different models) within the alternative community, and ─ please forgive my cynicism ─ in Kerry's typical facepalm-worthy habit of waxing poetically about things she doesn't even remotely understand, but of which she believes that they affirm her preconceived notions about a secret space program.

As for the soulless human beings ─ my apologies for clumsily having snipped that part out of the quotes ─ that comes straight from Judy, the woman behind the Quartz Crystal channel on YouTube, as you have so aptly noted. Or maybe it does originally come from Gosia, and then Judy was the one who took it from her instead. It is unfortunately one of the many banes of this alternative community that people place so much value into the videos from all random kinds of YouTube talking heads, as opposed to looking at actual research.

When it comes to research about a secret space program and/or the extraterrestrial presence, I personally consider Richard Dolan one of the very few researchers who hold a serious level of authority on the matter, because as a trained historian, Richard Dolan approaches things as a scholar would (and should). Michael Schratt is going about it equally scholarly ─ he is also a historian, I believe ─ but his specialty lies more with advanced US Defense aircraft than with the UFO phenomenon in and of itself. He too however holds a level of authority about the things he speaks of, because like Richard Dolan, he speaks from what he has learned through his research. Most others are only repeating ─ and colorizing ─ what they've anecdotally picked up from someone else, who in turn would most likely have been only a colorizing repeater.

There is lots of noise being added to the signal, until in the end only the noise remains, while the signal itself has become virtually inaudible and might even be mistaken for noise.

For the readers ─ and I am addressing them far more in this reply than I am addressing Bill, of course, because Bill already knows all of this ─ I am going to cite a seemingly unrelated example from Christian lore, namely the subject and character of Lucifer, the first and highest of all angels, who fell from grace because he wanted to lift his throne above that of Yahweh, and who then became the Devil. So here's the story, and please pay attention, readers.

;)

Until the King James version of the Catholic Bible came along, there had never been any mention of an angel named Lucifer, let alone that he would have been Yahweh's First Officer. But when the King James translation was created, a particular passage of Isaiah 14 ─ which was an angry, sarcastic and very colorful letter from Isaiah intended for the then-king of Babylon, who was a very mortal man ─ was interpreted as being addressed at an angel who had fallen from grace because he was a false "bearer of light". The term "bearer of light", in Latin, is "lucifer". So whoever translated that chapter interpreted things as if it was not a letter directed at a corrupt mortal man, but at an angel, and that Lucifer was his name.

This misinterpretation was (and still is) specific to the King James translation, and does not appear in any other Bible translation, because it was an artifact created by someone under King James VI's authority, and it did not represent the official mythology of the Roman Catholic Church. Yet, at present time, the whole mythology of the purported first and highest angel named Lucifer ─ which was written about extensively by John Milton in his poem Paradise Lost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost) ─ was retroactively adopted into the official Roman Catholic lore, even though it still doesn't appear in any other Bibles than the King James translation and any derivatives thereof.

The bottom line is that something that was at first officially considered untrue by an authority and that started off as a rumor eventually made its way full circle and corrupted that which was considered the truth in the official narrative of an authoritative body, namely the Roman Catholic Church. So much for the reliability of the information dispersed by religious authorities, but that is not my point. My point is that something that was considered untrue could eventually come to be adopted as truth because of a feedback mechanism.

Rumors quickly grow a life of their own all throughout society, and that is no different on account of the field of UFO investigations. And due to the democratic nature of YouTube ─ which in itself is a good thing ─ it is a sad fact of reality that there is plenty of gossip going round, even among people who are not ill-intended. Unfortunately, there are also plenty of those who are ill-intended, and/or people who are mentally ill ─ with a fair amount of crossover between those two designations, I might add.

Discernment is key.

Olaf

17th February 2020, 09:39

7. Amazon Fires: Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Communication (Swaruu - Taygeta)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lB8Cdau3eY
Aug 30, 2019

At 3:30: "When the molecules are dense (as in H232 or H321 for example) this is heavy water - radioactive material for the manufacture of atomic bombs. The nazis were testing this."

But heavy water is NOT a radioactive substance.
"Although many people associate heavy water primarily with its use in nuclear reactors, pure heavy water is not radioactive. Commercial-grade heavy water is slightly radioactive due to the presence of minute traces of natural tritium, but the same is true of ordinary water. Heavy water that has been used as a coolant in nuclear power plants contains substantially more tritium as a result of neutron bombardment of the deuterium in the heavy water (tritium is a health risk when ingested in large quantities)." (wikipedia.org - Heavy_water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Physical_properties))

I have to add:
So far Gosias videos (I have watched about 35 of them) had a very empowering impact on me.
They reminded me to take action and to be the one, that I want mankind to be.
They enforced my inner focus to be healthy and positive, what has helped and helps me a lot in my health issues in the last years.
It also does me good to see the joy and enthusiasm of Gosia sharing her chats with us. Even if the question remains - how will she be if it turns out to be a hoax one day?

Bill Ryan

17th February 2020, 10:11

Kamikaze

17th February 2020, 10:51

I forgot about the submarine-spaceships.

8. Secret Space Program Submarines, Uruguay UFO Fleet and More (Extraterrestrial Updates)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fZKPTOfmkDQ
Dec 20, 2019

Swaruu states that many US Navy submarines are really spaceships.

This is another notion that's quite often found on the internet and YouTube, proposed by people who don't understand physics or engineering. My apologies for omitting this in my post #46 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109805-HOAX-Taygeta-Pleiadian-Cosmic-Agency-Communications-from-low-orbit&p=1336432&viewfull=1#post1336432) — this video was so silly that I may have just blocked it from my mind.

There's absolutely no question that this information is being fed to Gosia by someone who is very creative and writes well, who spends a lot of time on YouTube, who's absorbed most of the current popular internet memes about ETs and the SSP, and who knows very little science.

It's what I've seen from the start, it's only repetition off ALL the rumours and stories about ET's that have been around. They've taken it all and smashed into a well delivered soup for you to ingest.
It's a compilation of all the previous work and stories that has been done earlier by various peoples in the community. They've just added the "taygeta" to tie it all together as ONE story.
I've been following these conspiracies and rumours since a teen and it's nothing "new" being presented.

Bill Ryan

18th February 2020, 11:01

9. Ascension and Positronic Energies: Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Information (Swaruu of Erra)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=T-U9cjD08M4
Feb 11, 2020

I asked Dr Paul LaViolette (https://starburstfound.org/) if he would kindly comment, and this was his reply.

~~~
Hi Bill,

It seems she is serving as a disinformation agent.

Superwaves are not “positronic storms” as she claims. They are cosmic ray electron volleys along with a proton cosmic ray proton component at their forefront.

The outburst is not produced "by the combined interaction of all the stars in the region of the galactic center" as she claims, but originates from the supermassive core of our Galaxy.

It is not of "a very high frequency” as she claims. If she speaks about electromagnetic wave frequency, the frequencies span the entire spectrum from ELF on up to gamma ray frequencies.

Her diatribe sounds like information channeled from some black hat ET source. She provides no scientific basis for her statements like her claim that this positronic wave “hits earth from two to three times per month” or that it “raises the Schumann resonance a lot”.

What’s this baloney that "you must close the shutters of your ships” (presumably to protect yourself). Does she believe that the people listening to her broadcast are flying around in space ships with shutters?

She claims it "disturbs muon transmissions”? What has she been smoking. Muons are cosmic rays usually produced as secondaries from cosmic ray nuclei striking Earth’s atmosphere.

Then she says that it is the Sun that sends the positrons to the Earth. After that she becomes even more incoherent.

You could suggest that she read Earth Under Fire or my Ph.D. dissertation to first get properly educated on this. But I think she would be unable to understand scientific concepts. Does anyone really listen to her and take her seriously?

Then she says that this wave is “spiral” not an expanding spherical shell and that it manifests on the physical plane as positrons of high charge”. Positrons have a fixed charge equal and opposite to that of an electron.

So it is meaningless to say "positrons of high charge”, high relative to what? high relative to what is physically known for such particles? Complete nonsense. Principle of dominant frequencies? more BS.

She talks as if this is all known to her as if she is so certain that all this nonsense she is putting out is correct. "Alcion amplifes it”?? More BS.

I stopped watching after 10 minutes. I am currently at the Laughlin UFO Mega conference and on Friday actually will be lecturing on what to expect when a superwave arrives. It will be one of many topics I cover.

I doubt that she gets all this nonsense from Corey Goode, although I haven’t seen the rest of the video. More likely she channeled it from some lower plane of existence and believes every word of it.

At this point I don’t have time available to do battle personally with people like this. But if you want to take her on, go ahead. Point out to anyone who is listening that there is a lot of information available on the superwave phenomenon at my site etheric.com (http://etheric.com) and in my book on the topic.

Best regards,

Paul

Olaf

18th February 2020, 11:21

10 Stellar Navigation 2 (Swaruu) (Part 3): Extraterrestrial Ship Technology Taygeta-Pleiades)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9914QYRENHI
Sep 30, 2019

At 17:28 (part of explanation of an anti-gravitational drive)
"This is if the gravitational flow of a place is 7.83 HZ then we must generate the opposite -7.83 HZ which is equivalent to zero gravity (0) or cancelled gravity potential.
If you have a frequency of 7.83 HZ and you generate -7.84 HZ you have a gravity percentage of +0.01 over the gravitational base frequency to be cancelled, which is equivalent to your object or ship going up slowly. If your base is 7.83 but you generate -7.82 then your ship goes down slowly. You just have to manipulate the frequencies that your engines generate in order to maneuver your ship or to cancel the gravity of a place."

Explanation
"the opposite" means a signal with exactly the same frequency, but opposite phase (-180°). It is known, that such signals cancel out each other, so the sum is zero.
But when using signals of different frequencies that does not happen. Instead the combination of both signals will add to a composite signal that seems to have a basic frequency that lies between both frequencies and a additional amplitude modulation.
Using the values given in the example a superimposition of a 7,83 Hz Signal and a -7.83 Hz signal will produce a virtual 7,835 Hz signal with a amplitude modulation that will oscillate with 0,01 Hz.
Probably that would not result in a gravitation pull or repulsion, but in a vibration of the object with 0,01 Hz which is a constant cycling between repulsion force and pull.

see also:
http://hydrogen.physik.uni-wuppertal.de/hyperphysics/hyperphysics/hbase/sound/beat.html#c3

Olaf

18th February 2020, 11:37

Then she says that this wave is “spiral” not an expanding spherical shell and that it manifests on the physical plane as positrons of high charge”. Positrons have a fixed charge equal and opposite to that of an electron.

Electrons and hence positrons are able to enter an excited state where the have much more energy than in the stable ground state.

"When a valence electron absorbs energy, it enters what is known as an excited state. The excited state can commonly take the form of the electron jumping from its original energy level or orbital, also known as the ground state, to an empty orbital of a higher energy shell that is further away from the nucleus.11.01.2016"
Excited State in Chemistry: Definition & Overview - Video ... (https://study.com/academy/lesson/excited-state-in-chemistry-definition-lesson-quiz.html)

Frank V

18th February 2020, 11:59

I must admit that I haven't personally dug into this umpteenth YouTube manifestation of an attempt to create yet another new age cult, but I'll just add two comments here based upon a few keywords appearing in the last couple of posts above...

Positrons are ─ as Paul LaViolette mentions ─ the antimatter equivalent of electrons. By consequence, if Earth were bombarded with positrons every couple of weeks ─ as this woman claims ─ then there would be a lot of damage down here, due to the fact that when matter and antimatter meet, they annihilate each other with a fairly powerful release of energy.

This is what Albert Einstein's "e = mc²" was all about ─ the released energy would be that of the combined mass of the colliding particles, multiplied by the square of the speed of light in a vacuum. And that is why scientists have been considering this principle as a power source, even though the creation of a generator based upon matter-antimatter annihilation would probably consume more energy than the generator would supply in return, given that it is very expensive (in terms of effort) to create antimatter, and very difficult to contain it for longer periods of time. The only way to contain it would be through electromagnetic fields, because as soon as it comes into contact with matter, it'll set off the mutual annihilation reaction.

Erra is supposedly the name of the home world of the Plejaren in Billy Meier's narrative. Erra is allegedly located somewhere around one of the stars of the Pleiades cluster, but "offset from Earth by half a second into the future" ─ whatever that's supposed to mean.

Bill Ryan

18th February 2020, 13:18

I sent this reply to Paul LaViolette (see my post #54 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109805-HOAX-Taygeta-Pleiadian-Cosmic-Agency-Communications-from-low-orbit&p=1336642&viewfull=1#post1336642)) . I also copied it to Gosia, who unfortunately is now up to her ears in this swamp, and may not be able to get out easily.

~~~
Paul, thank you! I do apologize for taking 10 minutes of your time watching the video, which you'll never get back. :)

Yes, I too don't spend much time battling these issues personally, but I'd been asked about this by several people. It was easy to pick very large holes in the many other videos, but I took the liberty of asking you about this one because of your own highly respected reputation in this field.

Gosia has been invited to speak at the same conference you're at. You may bump into her. She's a sweetheart, multilingual (she's Polish, but speaks perfect English and Spanish), and always means well.

But she's being deceived, and is buying it all unquestioningly. It's not 'channeled' per se — she's getting these messages on her computer. One doesn't have to be Columbo, or Sherlock Holmes, to figure out this is a persistent and very creative human prankster but who knows no science.

Maybe you could have a word with Bob Brown (who I assume is the conference organizer, a good man whom I know) to let him know, gently, that he REALLY SHOULD NOT be inviting these kinds of people to speak, however sweet and pleasant and well-meaning they may be. No-one wins, except the fraudsters. It harms our entire field.

My very best to you ~ Bill

Yetti

18th February 2020, 22:45

Viking. Is she Hungarian?

Denise/Dizi

19th February 2020, 16:08

Contacts, and communications can be a tricky thing. One knows they're receiving information, and that thought alone, is quite amazing, who is it coming from? Should I be sharing it? And the list of internal questions goes on and on... I have shared a few of the things I was told via my own communications.. Some I truly believed, and many things I still question.. I feel for those who get so wrapped up in it, that they put themselves out on a limb, only to be torn apart, with actual known facts that perhaps they did not already know. Perhaps I am not so brave..

One can be considered compliant with a hoax however, once the information is proven to be inaccurate, yet they still provide it as factual, when given that additional information. I feel for Gosia. None of the information I was given can be challenged and knowing that, I do put a disclaimer on what I was told when I do share it. Is it true? Who knows? But I believed it at the time, and still do.

Yet I am not selling it at a conference, (or even considering doing such a thing), I am just sharing it with other experiencers, so we can decide if it was true or not. And I think that is the best way to handle such things.

We sure are living in interesting times. I hope that Gosia is able to nail them down, and ask why they're sharing misinformation? If she even can allow herself to consider that is what this is? Personally I would be a bit embarrassed to learn my work was inaccurate.

Bill Ryan

19th February 2020, 16:26

Viking. Is she Hungarian?
Gosia's Polish, but speaks Spanish and English impressively fluently.

The Moss Trooper

19th February 2020, 17:12

Aragorn wrote:

According to what I myself have either read or heard ─ and if the latter, then it's most likely from an interview with Michael Schratt ─ the "TR3" designation is an incorrect one, and unintentionally concocted by people overhearing the actual designation of the project but not having heard clearly what was said. Again, as the story goes, instead of "TR3", it should actually read "Tier-3", which was the code name for a proposed (but possibly cancelled) US Defense project.

To the best of my knowledge, it was Kerry Cassidy who popularized the term "TR3" (with its respective "-A" and "-B" suffixes for the supposedly different models) within the alternative community, and ─ please forgive my cynicism ─ in Kerry's typical facepalm-worthy habit of waxing poetically about things she doesn't even remotely understand, but of which she believes that they affirm her preconceived notions about a secret space program.

This is correct. Michael Schratt, Edgar Fouche and Richard Boylin conducted some eye-opening research on the various different craft that where making an appearance in our skies back in the early 2000's.

The designation was, and should be, "Tier". There where/are 10 differing platforms, by differing contractors, with differing, exotic propulsion that where among this group.

Tier3-A was the 'Pumpkinseed'. The ’Pumpkinseed’ nickname is a reference to its thin oval airframe, whose contours resemble that seed. It may be the craft identified as using pulse detonation technology( remember the 'doughnuts-on-a-rope' contrails seen by many) for propulsion in a sub-hypersonic regime, and also uses antigravity technology for either mass-reduction or complementary field propulsion at higher speed levels.

Tier3-A 'Pumpkinseed'
42530

Tier3-B 'Astra'. This is the code name for what a lot of people on Earth have seen. It is a very large, triangular-shaped re-entry vehicle with anti-gravity. It is what the November (2000) issue of Popular Mechanics identified as the "Lenticular Re-entry Vehicle", a nuclear-powered flying saucer, the first version of which went operational in 1962, [the version which Popular Mechanics illustrated.]

Below is a picture taken from the Space Shuttle mission STS-61-C, of what is believed to be the Tier3-B Astra.

42529

The four Tiers below are accredited to Michael Schratt. He give a very interesting presentation regarding these Tiers at a MUFON convention which you can watch below. Apart from Tier-4, I added that one myself, for the woooo factor.

Tier-1: Common, ordinary garden variety, vanilla flavoured aircraft.

Tier-2: Previous Black programs which have been de-classified in to the so called 'white-world'.

Tier-3: Classified USAP (& Others) which have virtually no congressional oversight, and circumvent the established laws of physics.

Tier-4: ....................................................... ?

Hb94ohuXjYs

Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, just wanted to 'pad-out' Aragorns reply and add to the signal.

Olaf

23rd February 2020, 11:44

11 Free Energy (Zero Point): Direct Message from Pleiadian Taygetean (Swaruu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wNCMG8hgoM
Nov 16, 2018

At 15:20:
"All of the math of toroidal flow is based on this key principle that is the relationship and sequence of and between the numbers 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 and 3, 6, 9. The relationship between these numbers is as follows. All formation of matter, as a clearer example is that of cell division, obeys duplication patterns:
1 x 2 = 2.
2 x 2 = 4,
4 x 2 = 8 ...
In this pattern of sacred geometry that is the basis of the toroid, the numbers are duplicated as follows: 1 x 2 = 2, 2 x 2 = 4, 8 x 2 = 16 where 1 + 6 = 7 now 7 x 2 = 14 and 1 + 4 = 5, 5 x 2 = 10 and 1 + 0 = 1 following again and again the same pattern of energetic-mathematical flow of 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 5 this is the basic pattern or motor of a toroid in its basic representation."

As you would notice in this pattern the concept of cross sums is used.
In other parts of the communication Swaruu mentioned more than once, that the decimal number system is not used in Taygeta. Instead they use a system basing on the number 12 (duodecimal system).

If the aforementioned sequence of numbers representing a cell duplication is a natural law, it should produce the exact same sequence of numbers and steps in any case, regardless of the number system used.

step basis 10 basis 12
0 1 1
1 2 2
2 4 4
3 8 8
4 16 = 7 14 => 1 + 4 = 5
5 14 = 5 2x5 = 10 => 1 + 0 = 1 = end of sequence
6 10 = 1 end of sequence

As you can see, the cell doubling routine using that kind of mathematics in a number system basing on 12 consists of 5 steps instead of 6 steps in a decimal system.
This will result in an completely different mechanics of quantum processes on a subatomar level.

As a natural law cannot depend on the number system used, the aforementioned sequence of numbers 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 cannot be an universal law.

Online calculator that converts decimal into duodecimal numbers:
https://www.mahoplus.de/geocaching/online_umrechner_zahlensysteme_bea.html

EFO

29th November 2020, 15:26

Dan Winter mentioned Malgorzata (Gosia) and her youtube channel Cosmic Agency at 17:54 mark.

Star History and Value of Humans:From Orion Wars to Quarantine Earth to Rapture with Dan Winter
(52:41 min.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFs5pEbLAU

Agape

29th November 2020, 16:24

I will interject here with personal observation of mine pertaining to the ability of maintaining successful relationship with most advanced species - and I tend to believe it pertains to humans as well -
one has to believe in “them” that is one has to trust them unprecedentedly, without developing major doubts.

Well check this one with yourself and your friends if this is “also true” with us. But notice how many even among the most advanced humans get offended easily once you develop even petty doubt about them ?
Some simply stop talking to you if you express any sort of objection against their motivations and/or manner.

Now imagine ( for those of you who don’t know what are you talking about ) that in place of human being there is thousand times more complicated and very subtle entity sensitive to all of your input, to whom your linguistic thrills and twists sound insignificant compared to intelligence and emotions moving your mind around in a swirl, rounding the entity , hoping to snap or take a snap.

Like a poor space tourist with Nikon trying to get hold of the imaginary form ( pure metaphor).

Eventually, you walk out of that “experience” empty handed because you couldn’t step back and wait and wanted too much. Turn sour and negative towards the entity “not giving you when you were ready to receive”.

The next time ..any next time.. your doubt will always be there with you and to the complicated and sensitive ones, those nagging doubts hurt and that’s why they don’t let us further in some cases.

Surprisingly and it’s why I’m sharing this bit, even “hypothetical doubts” are sufficient to do that and tear well running but subtle relationships to others.

So true about some of our human relationships as well.

But no, you can not have relationship with an ET if your doubts are bigger than you are ( so no worries ) and I’ve got it confirmed, personally, many times.

It’s a repeated lesson , with pros and cons and pure and sublime logic.

It’s about the choices we make, reasons for our missions here and what attracts/interests us the most because decisions we make about it happen faster than our thoughts and conceptions.

And there’s no “remake” to those decisions possible sometimes for a long time that is before we reconfigure ourselves.

As “wanting s”thing” too much even a proof usually gets us nowhere in life and generally is a sign of arrogance.

🙏🥏🙏