Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

[Dennis Leahy]

So, why do you think so few members at Avalon seem to give a rat's ass about the one person (Julian Assange) that's actually the most dangerous to the "Shadow Government"/"Deep State"/"New World Order?"

Why do you think that is?

Do you think people feel frozen with helplessness? ("I can't do anything, so I won't do anything.")

Do you think people have swallowed the Deep State-controlled mainstream media's propaganda? ("I believe Rachel Maddow." or "I believe Bill Kristol.")

Do you think people are too selfish to actually care what happens? ("meh. Not my problem.")

Do you think people are afraid that their online activity of supporting Assange is going to get them in trouble, or "put on a list" of dissidents? ("I'm a coward. I don't want to end up in a FEMA camp. I just want to blend in with the sheep!")

Do you think people are actually ignorant, and don't even realize that Assange has done the most of any human in history to expose the DS/NWO and their henchmen, you know, the bad guys? ("Who is Julian Assange?")

Do you think Deep State Agent Q has confused people so well that they just don't know what to believe and just dismiss obvious facts? ("I don't know what to believe, but I trust Q and Q says ...")

Do you think? (Not everyone is capable of thinking, and have substituted reading and listening to others for thinking.)

(Sorry for the click-bait title, but it worked, didn't it?)

[Justplain]

Dennis, please clarify the proof supporting this assertion:

"Do you think people are actually ignorant, and don't even realize that Assange has done the most of any human in history to expose the DS/NWO and their henchmen, you know, the bad guys?"

To me, Project Camelot's early years has done far more good than Julian Assange to expose the nwo, ssp, etc. Has assuage ever exposed anything about the ssp?

In fact, I'd cite the Corbett Report as more informative than WikiLeaks.

Even "confessions of an economic hitman" is more to the point than the mega-datadumps on WikiLeaks.

Just my two bits on your clickbate. 😁

[Sarah Rainsong]

So, why do you think so few members at Avalon seem to give a rat's ass about the one person (Julian Assange) that's actually the most dangerous to the "Shadow Government"/"Deep State"/"New World Order?"

Why do you think that is?


I guess I would have to ask why you think this? I don't post about him or on that thread. Does this mean I don't care? Of course not, but I don't usually post unless I feel I have something with contributing, and with Assange, I'm kinda out of my element so I just quietly follow.

So on what do you base your assumption?

I should be asleep, it's probably too late for me to be posting anything, but I found the assumption a bit harsh

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis, please clarify the proof supporting this assertion:

"Do you think people are actually ignorant, and don't even realize that Assange has done the most of any human in history to expose the DS/NWO and their henchmen, you know, the bad guys?"

To me, Project Camelot's early years has done far more good than Julian Assange to expose the nwo, ssp, etc. Has assuage ever exposed anything about the ssp?

In fact, I'd cite the Corbett Report as more informative than WikiLeaks.

Even "confessions of an economic hitman" is more to the point than the mega-datadumps on WikiLeaks.

Just my two bits on your clickbate. 😁

Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan, James Corbett, and John Perkins are not in Belmarsh prison being tortured and enduring a kangaroo trial to be extradited to the USA to face 175 years in prison, for anything that they exposed, right?

[Orph]

Tough question to answer. The first half of my life was spent trying to figure out how to operate and succeed in this physical 3D world. I failed miserably. Very little works for me here. The second half of my life I've spent trying to connect with my "inner self - greater self - higher self" or whatever "self" we supposedly have. I failed miserably. :sarcastic:

I live in a world that I have little to no ability to have any affect on. Trust me, I've tried. It isn't that I don't care. I do care, very deeply about all the pain and suffering in the world. But literally, when I try to accomplish something, ............ nothing.

Delores Cannon said something like, some people here in this 3D world are real, and a whole lot more are just background filler. Just like in a movie, you have the stars of the show, and the rest of the people are just milling around but have no actual part in the movie. I don't know if that's true or not, but boy-o-boy that would sure describe me. :)

The other thing is, this chasm between the rich and powerful and the commoner peasants has been going on for thousands of years. The pain, the suffering, the wars, the fight of "good versus evil". It never ends. Literally, it never ends.

I won't say I feel "frozen with helplessness", but whatever the reason I'm here, it isn't to be an active participant.

[Dennis Leahy]

So, why do you think so few members at Avalon seem to give a rat's ass about the one person (Julian Assange) that's actually the most dangerous to the "Shadow Government"/"Deep State"/"New World Order?"

Why do you think that is?


I guess I would have to ask why you think this? I don't post about him or on that thread. Does this mean I don't care? Of course not, but I don't usually post unless I feel I have something with contributing, and with Assange, I'm kinda out of my element so I just quietly follow.

So on what do you base your assumption?

I should be asleep, it's probably too late for me to be posting anything, but I found the assumption a bit harsh

It is a bit harsh (though I stated "so few", not "everyone", and said "it seems" because if people don't post anything or the "views" counter is relatively low compared to say, favorite music, then that is the way "it seems.") I'm astounded at the lack of overt support Assange has here at Avalon. Why aren't people hopping mad about what is happening to Assange, right now? This is important, and current, so it seems that Avalon members would be engaged. When people support Assange, maybe they could post their support publicly? Overt support adds up, quiet support is, well, invisible and silent. Members here offer opinions and/or express support for (or lack of support for) many other people, but not very much with Assange. It's very odd to me.

[Innocent Warrior]

I’ve wondered about this myself, not about Avalonians but the public in general. So many reasons but I’ll briefly outline a couple.

The smear campaign on WikiLeaks and Julian has been largely effective, a lot of people simply don’t recognise them for what and who they are.

I don’t think they’ve read about Julian and Wikileaks in WikiLeaks’ Global Intelligence Files release. They’re not aware of two things; that intel community actually believes the BS they espouse (they’re vile and bat**** crazy) and how much of a threat they see WikiLeaks to be. By destroying Julian they’re crippling WikiLeaks, just another act in a series of acts to do so. The fear is of what WikiLeaks is capable of doing, not what it has done. They are afraid of WikiLeaks. Really think about that for a while, WikiLeaks frightens the ‘deep state’. I don’t think people get the enormity of that, the raw power of indisputable information.

[Justplain]

Dennis, releasing 'classified' documents that gets the government mad at you, and thus Julian's harsh potential prison time, does not necessarily mean that the ds/nwo has been exposed. That's why I consider these other sources more informative on this topic than WikiLeaks.

The Yankees tried to nab Gary Mackinnon as well, but he managed to get off the hook. And Gary really was the kicker for proving that the ssp exists.

Perhaps Julian should release some of those 'sensitive files' WikiLeaks has to soften the yanks up a bit? This might also raise his profile and that might also promote his cause.

[AutumnW]

---because he exposes Trump for exactly what he is and Trump supporters here would blow mental circuitry in an attempt to absolve his royal orangeness. There's one reason.
Another is people have the attention span of gnats.

Another is, "out of sight, out of mind."

And finally, the Assange drug has worn off and some of those valiant truth seekers who originally took up his cause are more interested in info-meth.

The actual truth is not really being pursued. Got to get past the truth. It's a huge obstruction to many on this forum.

They can haul out crap story after crap story, get all excited, outraged, buttsore, over their favorite drug covered with the fake wrapper of "reality."

[Mike]

it's shameful that he doesn't get more support.

i feel more than a twinge of shame thinking about my lack of support.

my answer as to why people don't rally behind him is as mundane as it is layered:

most of us are comfy on the sidelines. we've become professional observers. we see people on the internet and on TV, and we are conditioned to think there is a world 'out there' that exists vaguely but has little to do with our daily lives. it warps one's ability to perceive and comprehend objective reality.

we're saturated in comforts. pleasure begets more pleasure, and it escalates upwards indefinitely. it's never enough. we feel entitled to all of it - what we have and what we want to have. it's an insidious disease that creates a kind of tunnel vision to all else around us.

there will come a time, if it isn't here already, where it won't be morally reprehensible to walk past a person being attacked without helping because one is too consumed with some smart phone activity. there will come a time where the individual walking past the person being attacked won't even know why that's wrong.

that's moral relativism for you. that's postmodernism for you. it's an erosion of our most fundamental judeo-christian ethics and values. we're abandoning them in place of "subjective realities".

without any clear sense of virtue and right or wrong, people flounder. we become mentally and spiritually atrophied. we become nihilistic and lazy and self-indulgent and bitter and resentful and deluded.

in postmodernism, nothing is inherently meaningful. it's a wonderful excuse for people not to act. but if you admit that things are inherently meaningful, you are forced to take responsibility for all of it...and that's why it's avoided: no one wants to take responsibility for anything, because then they will have to do something about it. entire modes of thinking and philosophies have sprung up all over the country teaching this crap.

when you get enough people who buy into this postmodern bullsh!t, you have a population of shiftless, intellectually deficient, value deficient, moral relativists who could coldly walk by an old lady being attacked because their cell phone is beckoning. the chances of those same people going out of their way to help a guy they see on a computer or TV screen, like Assange, is next to nil

without values, nothing is valued.

[Agape]

I think we are back at the point where any isolated individual is helpless against the power of the tide and the “big money” being invested and poured into the various political systems but hardly to “us” as sovereign individuals.

Talking of healthy competition and trade and righteous earnings or accumulation of is late now. The young ones studying economics these days are still led by their neck to the woods, following hooded wizards and authors of pseudo-philosophical manuals on how to achieve liberation and own economical enlightenment, within their approved class of competences.
Their parents, grandparents and so forth bowed to the hierarchy once and complied with a “manner” promising them certain warranties whether they rise or fall.
At times of great uncertainty even the canary in golden cage starts to shiver.

These people are the “hype”, the “cream” of the recent age. They’re not very mature in their wisdom since all they were praised for is being “smart” and “successful”.

I always wished to ask any of these people if they’re aware of the whole maths they participate in is wrong: the path of big individual success does not allow for anyone else to compare so how could millions of people turn to “achievers” under their guidance. Of course no one can’t unless they get sworn to the “club”.
The rest is a game of maintenance of the “masses”. Using different strategies in different parts of the world the overall picture is known to be similar.

These people represent the governance, the system and its approved guidelines promising stability and righteousness together with “golden middle way”.

So no matter how many people disagree with the system, at this point and through out last century or two there is no way to combat it and very few ways to opt out.
Coupled by the fact that people fail to realize the danger of systematic social traps.
Some jump the board only to be caught in “rescue nets” of cults or religious organisations. Very few have the strength to swim in the sea too long or “save themselves” at the end of the story.

The monster of the “old world” with its ancient hierarchies and wars is still lurking in people’s minds and actions like a dark shadow.

No these people don’t want a new better world unless it’s be a “world running accordingly” with their ideas alone and that’s where it all fails down sharply. Their morality, ethics, humanity, laws and love fall to pieces once they’re shown the truth and people not being stupid as they hoped for.

Eventually, people will self liberate themselves through education, thinking and sharing - it’s only natural it will happen. It takes time but it will.


The old games of “lords” and “pets” are being uncovered as we talk. They don’t concern some class or kind of people, they concern generations and generations of conditioned upbringing and conditioned love and virtue. The good looking models and mannequins of every society hiding in their looks.
“So sweet”. Behind the sweet looks you can’t trust anymore,
the good boy or girl take out knife and kill a grandpa because he is not worthy taking care of. Truly, some of these “best parents” bred a generation of “perfect bastards” who will do anything to domineer.

Think someone like Jared Kushner , and this is not personal. Maybe any other rich kid sitting there with super smart super sarcastic smile calling Julian Assange and any of us “piece of ****”. These kids aren’t better than their parents when it comes to talking dirty and playing dirty , after all : their tutors told them the aim of the game is to play them down too.

In short: we are against extremely powerful and dangerous game being played with us and it’s about time to wake up and stand straight, allow our own spiritual and mundane evolution to happen,


I may seem to be two steps ahead or two steps behind at all times but it’s really only two steps.

Everything else has already happened in the meantime, the most unpredictable events, customs and barriers broke down and elucidated, the dark caverns of this world accessed and explored,
here in India I’ve seen how much has changed during half generation -25 years- the change is exponential even if slow and incomplete -it goes actually, very fast.

I know I’m so tired of the “big fight” I could just die any day without regrets -and any next day won’t be much better than the previous. But the process of awakening is not lost, can’t be stopped for people even if it takes another 100 years ..

they will get there


:faint:

[onawah]

I think Wikileaks and Assange have gotten much more of the public's attention as well as the elite's, and deliberately so, than Corbett or Project Camelot, and for that reason, I think he deserves Dennis's description and praise.
I wish to God some benevolent ETs really would transport him out of Belmarsh to someplace safe, though Trump should be put to work undoing the harm he's done instead of allowed to languish in prison.
Assange and his team surely knew how dangerous it could get, and yet have gone to great pains to get those very explosive truths out.
I agree that we all owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
All I've personally been able to do is post updates here on Avalon, keep them in my thoughts and send Assange love and appreciation, and I also wish Avalon would pay more attention to his plight.
We all need distractions from time to time from the overwhelming tragedies that are piling up around us more and more every day, but sooner or later, I think the full weight of what is happening will hit us all.
We can put it off, but once it hits, that's when the true test of courage really takes place-do we succumb, go back to sleep, or soldier on.



Dennis, please clarify the proof supporting this assertion:

"Do you think people are actually ignorant, and don't even realize that Assange has done the most of any human in history to expose the DS/NWO and their henchmen, you know, the bad guys?"

To me, Project Camelot's early years has done far more good than Julian Assange to expose the nwo, ssp, etc. Has assuage ever exposed anything about the ssp?

In fact, I'd cite the Corbett Report as more informative than WikiLeaks.

Even "confessions of an economic hitman" is more to the point than the mega-datadumps on WikiLeaks.

Just my two bits on your clickbate. 😁

Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan, James Corbett, and John Perkins are not in Belmarsh prison being tortured and enduring a kangaroo trial to be extradited to the USA to face 175 years in prison, for anything that they exposed, right?

[Gemma13]

So, why do you think so few members at Avalon seem to give a rat's ass about the one person (Julian Assange) that's actually the most dangerous to the "Shadow Government"/"Deep State"/"New World Order?"

Why do you think that is?


I guess I would have to ask why you think this? I don't post about him or on that thread. Does this mean I don't care? Of course not, but I don't usually post unless I feel I have something with contributing, and with Assange, I'm kinda out of my element so I just quietly follow.

So on what do you base your assumption?

I should be asleep, it's probably too late for me to be posting anything, but I found the assumption a bit harsh

It is a bit harsh (though I stated "so few", not "everyone", and said "it seems" because if people don't post anything or the "views" counter is relatively low compared to say, favorite music, then that is the way "it seems.") I'm astounded at the lack of overt support Assange has here at Avalon. Why aren't people hopping mad about what is happening to Assange, right now? This is important, and current, so it seems that Avalon members would be engaged. When people support Assange, maybe they could post their support publicly? Overt support adds up, quiet support is, well, invisible and silent. Members here offer opinions and/or express support for (or lack of support for) many other people, but not very much with Assange. It's very odd to me.

The opening assumption is unfounded. It implies that Avalon supporters that do not give thumbs up, smiley faces, likes and comments are not actively engaged, supportive and appreciative of "important" topics and the members who post on them that willingly give their time to keep us all up to speed.  No different to someone needing hundreds of facebook friends and then gets pissed off if no-one pushes an emoji button whenever they post.

With the volume of information available now threads can get long very quick so having to wade through endless repetitive comments of everyone saying the same thing seems practically fruitless to me.  And those that are sensitive because they think no one is paying them enough attention really need to learn to get over it.

Post because you value what you are sharing with the intention that it may help someone. Full stop.  I strongly predict Members that have the time to post, (briefly or regularly,) are helping loads of people but they'll never get to know about the majority of them.

I personally value Avalon Members that much that during my busy days of local activism it is my go to for news . . . the Assange thread being one of them.  And I assume there are many like me.  Far more that actually do give a "rat's arse" than the implication that Avalon members fall into one of your listed categories.

So I wouldn't worry about thinking it odd as odds are there's no odd to worry about.

[thepainterdoug]

Denis Leahy / I'm guilty as charged. i painted 100 whistleblowers as an art project of activism. Julien Assange was one of them . I did it and put it out there and it took hold and got attention in some arenas . And then I moved on to another creative endeavor.

Perhaps you could mention your way of participating in the support or care of Julien? Is there a procedure you could mention here that we could follow? An address to write, an organization that would hear those in support of him ? And list those things so that starting today we could act on.
Essentially, a what could be done list
We all fight different battles. But I appreciate you raising this because I as well am baffled by my own allowance to let the Julian issue go.
Just getting mad about it won't help. A path to an activism would be helpful. t y

[Baby Steps]

Since I have been sharing the odd item on social media, 3 or 4 friends have awoken to this, so it's worth doing, but most of the intelligent 'snowflakes' seem totally unconcerned!

And the Q crowd think he was offered a pardon and it's all an elaborate operation of some kind!

[Bill Ryan]

The thread title made me laugh... it definitely deserves a prize. (We could start a new thread applauding creative thread titles, but my concern is that it'd then get way out of hand. :) ) We'll probably change the thread title to something a little more sedate in a few days' time. :P

~~~

Back to topic, of course Avalonians care deeply about Julian Assange. That's a slam-dunk given. I suspect that the issue is that there's such a strong, clear consensus about the enormous injustice, that there's actually comparatively little to be discussed apart from to report new developments every now and then.

[thepainterdoug]

odd that this was sent to me today/ how the USA PLANNED TO KILL ASSANGE/ Galloway


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cge5cEhZhQ

[Dennis Leahy]

The opening assumption is unfounded. It implies that Avalon supporters that do not give thumbs up, smiley faces, likes and comments are not actively engaged, supportive and appreciative of "important" topics and the members who post on them that willingly give their time to keep us all up to speed. No different to someone needing hundreds of facebook friends and then gets pissed off if no-one pushes an emoji button whenever they post.

With the volume of information available now threads can get long very quick so having to wade through endless repetitive comments of everyone saying the same thing seems practically fruitless to me. And those that are sensitive because they think no one is paying them enough attention really need to learn to get over it.
...

I personally value Avalon Members that much that during my busy days of local activism it is my go to for news . . . the Assange thread being one of them. And I assume there are many like me. Far more that actually do give a "rat's arse" than the implication that Avalon members fall into one of your listed categories.

So I wouldn't worry about thinking it odd as odds are there's no odd to worry about.
I'm not interested in crossing swords with you. This isn't about me. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. So, you are interested in Assange as a topic. A simple public statement, "I support Assange.", has some power to influence; invisible and silent support doesn't.

[Dennis Leahy]

Denis Leahy / I'm guilty as charged. i painted 100 whistleblowers as an art project of activism. Julien Assange was one of them . I did it and put it out there and it took hold and got attention in some arenas . And then I moved on to another creative endeavor.

Perhaps you could mention your way of participating in the support or care of Julien? Is there a procedure you could mention here that we could follow? An address to write, an organization that would hear those in support of him ? And list those things so that starting today we could act on.
Essentially, a what could be done list
We all fight different battles. But I appreciate you raising this because I as well am baffled by my own allowance to let the Julian issue go.
Just getting mad about it won't help. A path to an activism would be helpful. t y

Doug, you've already made it very clear that you support Assange and the entire milieu of whistleblowers! You used your skills, your talent, painting all those marvelous portraits of whistleblowers that so amazingly capture their spirit and bring them to life. You humble me with the amount of energy you have dedicated to this entire issue. Thank you so much, brother!

One of the tactics used by the people that persecute whistleblowers is to stretch out the time element to wear-down and wear out people (the whistleblowers themselves and their supporters.) It's very effective, because no one can stay "hopping mad" for months and even years, and there is the subtle programming towards helplessness as the calendar pages turn. A lot of time has elapsed in Assange's persecution. I think the evil bastards also know that if they do their dirty work, slowly, gradually or in short bursts of activity with periods of relative quiet between, that the full force of the evil doesn't garner the same impact on public perception. I cite Israel's slow-motion genocide and land grab of Palestine as a prime example of that tactic. Kill...wait...kill...wait...kill...wait... rather than Israel murdering all Palestinians and stealing all the rest of Palestine in one burst. Assange's persecution is in a "kill" phase now, so it seems to me that our attention, our raised voices, has more of a chance to alter public perception right now.

I don't have an answer for "what can we do?", but I'm convinced that we at least need to be public with our support. You are, "in spades."

[mountain_jim]

A simple public statement, "I support Assange.", has some power to influence; invisible and silent support doesn't.


I, a deep-state-awakening process supporter, strongly support Assange and consider what is still happening to him to be the strongest evidence, other than abject Israeli/possibly-Mossad control of his admin, against being positive about Trump and the military support he apparently receives.

On the other hand, I am so fatigued by your constant provoking posts implying that folks who support certain aspects of the cleanup of the national Democratic Party/MSM/CIA/FBI election meddling and coup attempt are blind to Assange, asleep, or otherwise unaware of the hidden hands behind the overall US and global political systems.

There have been several of these posts in the last week, the tone of which I did not appreciate.

For just one example of this Qanon process value (imo), Qanon researchers have managed to awaken large numbers of folks to works such as FRITZ SPRINGMEIER – BLOODLINES OF THE ILLUMINATI, Projects Monarch and MKUltra, and these powerful bloodline families behind so many world events and wars over our history.



Springmeier tells us that there are actually Thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines. They are:
The Astor Bloodline
The Bundy Bloodline
The Collins Bloodline
The DuPont Bloodline
The Freeman Bloodline
The Kennedy Bloodline
The Li Bloodline
The Onassis Bloodline
The Rockefeller Bloodline
The Rothschild Bloodline
The Russell Bloodline
The Van Duyn Bloodline
The Merovingian Bloodline


For an example of what I learned in this process, the (Merovingian) bloodline Payseur family and their historic, behind the scenes ownership and control of the Rockefellers, Vanderbilt's, etc.

Through this article I learned that I had been employed by companies in the American south that had been owned by this family, as almost all of the railroads, power companies, banks, were, mostly in secret with other families propped up as the public owners.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/

While I have gone off-topic the point for me is there is value in this spread of historical information as part of the Qanon movement, but Avalonians like me have gotten tired of being directly (Parasites!) or indirectly put down for having found value in the Trump admin corruption shake-up, and just don't bother to participate in many areas where constantly explaining or defending this position appears necessary.

I am certain things would be way worse if Clinton was in power, and I still have slight hopes that Trump can overcome his military backers and do the right thing for Assange, who he used to support. (I guess the firewall against learning the truth about 9/11 is way more unlikely to get breached).

In the long run progress and freedom is only going to happen once more and more shake off their programming and learn the available, horrible truths about what really happens in this world.

That is what The Great Awakening means to me, Assange has helped in that, but we are a long way from having the leverage ourselves to right these wrongs.

[Chester]

The opening assumption is unfounded. It implies that Avalon supporters that do not give thumbs up, smiley faces, likes and comments are not actively engaged, supportive and appreciative of "important" topics and the members who post on them that willingly give their time to keep us all up to speed. No different to someone needing hundreds of facebook friends and then gets pissed off if no-one pushes an emoji button whenever they post.

With the volume of information available now threads can get long very quick so having to wade through endless repetitive comments of everyone saying the same thing seems practically fruitless to me. And those that are sensitive because they think no one is paying them enough attention really need to learn to get over it.
...

I personally value Avalon Members that much that during my busy days of local activism it is my go to for news . . . the Assange thread being one of them. And I assume there are many like me. Far more that actually do give a "rat's arse" than the implication that Avalon members fall into one of your listed categories.

So I wouldn't worry about thinking it odd as odds are there's no odd to worry about.
I'm not interested in crossing swords with you. This isn't about me. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. So, you are interested in Assange as a topic. A simple public statement, "I support Assange.", has some power to influence; invisible and silent support doesn't.

I support Assange.

[Chester]

A simple public statement, "I support Assange.", has some power to influence; invisible and silent support doesn't.


I, a deep-state-awakening process supporter, strongly support Assange and consider what is still happening to him to be the strongest evidence, other than abject Israeli/possibly-Mossad control of his admin, against being positive about Trump and the military support he apparently receives.

On the other hand, I am so fatigued but your constant provoking posts implying that folks who support certain aspects of the cleanup of the national Democratic Party/MSM/CIA/FBI election meddling and coup attempt are blind to Assange, asleep, or otherwise unaware of the hidden hands behind the overall US and global political systems.

There have been several of these posts in the last week, the tone of which I did not appreciate.

For just one example of this Qanon process value (imo), Qanon researchers have managed to awaken large numbers of folks to works such as FRITZ SPRINGMEIER – BLOODLINES OF THE ILLUMINATI, Projects Monarch and MKUltra, and these powerful bloodline families behind so many world events and wars over our history.



Springmeier tells us that there are actually Thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines. They are:
The Astor Bloodline
The Bundy Bloodline
The Collins Bloodline
The DuPont Bloodline
The Freeman Bloodline
The Kennedy Bloodline
The Li Bloodline
The Onassis Bloodline
The Rockefeller Bloodline
The Rothschild Bloodline
The Russell Bloodline
The Van Duyn Bloodline
The Merovingian Bloodline


For an example of what I learned in this process, the (Merovingian) bloodline Payseur family and their historic, behind the scenes ownership and control of the Rockefellers, Vanderbilt's, etc.

Through this article I learned that I had been employed by companies in the American south that had been owned by this family, as almost all of the railroads, power companies, banks, were, mostly in secret with other families propped up as the public owners.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/

While I have gone off-topic the point for me is there is value in this spread of historical information as part of the Qanon movement, but Avalonians like me have gotten tired of being directly (Parasites!) or indirectly put down for having found value in the Trump admin corruption shake-up, and just don't bother to participate in many areas where constantly explaining or defending this position appears necessary.

I am certain things would be way worse if Clinton was in power, and I still have slight hopes that Trump can overcome his military backers and do the right thing for Assange, who he used to support. (I guess the firewall against learning the truth about 9/11 is way more unlikely to get breached).

In the long run progress and freedom is only going to happen once more and more shake off their programming and learn the available, horrible truths about what really happens in this world.

That is what The Great Awakening means to me, Assange has helped in that, but we are a long way from having the leverage ourselves to right these wrongs.

I agree with this post and do so with all my heart. The Avalon I discovered in 2010 and which played the most significant role in (no understatement) saving my life in 2012 has changed. I see this everyday by hitting the New Posts button (always my first action) and see way too many threads void of the real soul reaching depth I used to find day in and day out on Project Avalon. It's like something has tried to kill Project Avalon.

If too many subjects start out political or evolve into purely political back and forth, and you create an impression that a vociferous membership and vociferous group within the mod staff (including former mods who are still valued as mods) that lean strongly in one purely political direction (or anti-one symbol or opposing direction), and on top of that, censor the Q threads by restricting them to members only, you are truly setting the entire forum up for another schism. If that is Bill's goal, I would be very surprised. If it is a goal or desire among some of the membership I would not be surprised.

This is the place I see this forum to be at this moment.

I hope my honesty is appreciated.

[Dennis Leahy]

The thread title made me laugh... it definitely deserves a prize. (We could start a new thread applauding creative thread titles, but my concern is that it'd then get way out of hand. :) ) We'll probably change the thread title to something a little more sedate in a few days' time. :P

~~~

Back to topic, of course Avalonians care deeply about Julian Assange. That's a slam-dunk given. I suspect that the issue is that there's such a strong, clear consensus about the enormous injustice, that there's actually comparatively little to be discussed apart from to report new developments every now and then.

Yes, I'm thankful that you didn't already change the thread title. It also does not belong in the UFOlogy section where I provocatively placed it, and apologize to UFOligists (and maybe it should be immediately moved to "General Discussion.") When deemed necessary, perhaps, "Why does there seem to be so little public support for Assange, on Avalon?" for a new title.

I note that one of the most powerful and brilliant observations of Caitlin Johnstone is the concept of "narrative control." (This echoes the early work of Noam Chomsky and some others.) The bad guys not only pre-select their own pool of replacements within the governments, they also control the narrative, having literally purchased all major mass media outlets whose talking heads then read the script provided to them by the government and multinational corporations PR departments. Greatly facilitated, by the way, by Bill Clinton "deregulating" the FCC's rules to protect against monopolizing the airwaves - mentioned because some people have become weary of me calling out Trump, who is simply the current Sonofabitch-in-Chief, not the only. But it would also be disingenuous - a lie really - to say that Trump is not personally responsible for this current, and most profound, phase of the persecution of Assange and (as Rachel/Innocent Warrior points out) what Wikileaks represents as a current/future threat to the evil agents of the evil Owners/Controllers.

I don't believe in street protest against the government - I think that the Kent State massacre of students protesting war and especially the utter lack of real investigation much less prosecution signaled the end of (maybe of the fantasy of) street protest against the US government having any effectiveness. The fact that the bad guys took over narrative control, and bludgeon the unwary with it constantly for decades, shows how important public perception control is to their nefarious agenda flowing along smoothly. So, it seems wise to disrupt that flow, and to present the truth as narrative, and repeat it and repeat it and repeat it in the hope that - mis-paraphrasing Goebbels - "the truth repeated often enough will eventually be seen as the truth." We don't have any effectiveness in street protest, but we do affect the zeitgeist and the current narrative on the Internet. We need to use our strongest tool.

Some detractors have cleverly circumvented the important issues being brought up, calling any attempt to have your voice heard as "virtue signaling" - like a couple of folks that already posted to this thread (which is about supporting Assange), trying to make it about me. Silence in the face of the US government, spearheaded by Trump, persecuting Assange and attempting to destroy whistleblowing, isn't virtuous. I am asking people to speak up, make your voice heard.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Dennis. and I totally agree on their use of buying time and waiting everyone out. We are all working hard in our lives and its only natural that we will begin to loose our fire on certain issues over time. But that doesn't mean we forgot! I know I never did. And yes, keep the topic alive by keeping it current and public. you roused me up again! take care my friend.

[Bill Ryan]

...and see way too many threads void of the real soul reaching depth I used to find day in and day out on Project Avalon.

Nonsense. (I hope my honesty is appreciated! :P )

I listed these in about 30 seconds flat. There are dozens, and maybe hundreds, more.


Beautiful Nature pics (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52010-Beautiful-Nature-pics)
Animals are Magical (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106567-Animals-are-Magical)
The Animal Communicator - Anna Breytenbach (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66295-The-Animal-Communicator-Anna-Breytenbach)
Akiane Kramarik: an unbelievably gifted young artist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108725-Akiane-Kramarik-an-unbelievably-gifted-young-artist)
Sublime and/or Spiritual Experiences of the Natural World.. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105508-Sublime-and-or-Spiritual-Experiences-of-the-Natural-World../page3)
EXPERIENCERS: Sharing, Exploring, and Learning Together (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together)
Dedicate your positive thinking today, for tomorrow's future (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109837-Dedicate-your-positive-thinking-today-for-tomorrow-s-future)
The beauty and the pain of being human. Images. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109837-Dedicate-your-positive-thinking-today-for-tomorrow-s-future)

THEN, out of impulsive curiosity, I looked to see if you'd visited any of these in the last year. As best I could see, you've not been to those threads at all.

But if you have a lot of attention on the Qanon thread, and read and post there, then of course you'll get a certain different impression.

If you want to make Avalon an [even] better place, then all you have to do is contribute to make it so.

:focus:

[onawah]

I wonder how many Avalonians realize what Assange has been undergoing just in the last week.
If not, I think if they read Tintin's recent 4 posts here (or even just skim them, if they don't have time for more):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101183-Current-Wikileaks-and-Assange-News-Releases&p=1337765&viewfull=1#post1337765

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101183-Current-Wikileaks-and-Assange-News-Releases&p=1337900&viewfull=1#post1337900

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101183-Current-Wikileaks-and-Assange-News-Releases&p=1338092&viewfull=1#post1338092

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101183-Current-Wikileaks-and-Assange-News-Releases&p=1338288&viewfull=1#post1338288

... they will be truly shocked.
And perhaps will understand why Dennis is feeling so vehement.
Speaking just for myself, I would be very appreciative if Avalonians would simply register a THANKS if they read or even just skim or glance at something that another member has posted if they see the worth of it, even if they don't have time to read it all.
The amount of time that some of us spend just finding good information to post here is certainly worth that much, so that at least we who have taken the time and trouble to make contributions know we aren't living in some kind of fantasy, thinking that what we are doing is making a difference.
If I was getting paid for the amount of time I spend here doing just that, I would have no financial woes at all, and I have plenty of them!
It's not some kind of narcissistic need for approval--it's just a need to know that I'm not wasting my time.
I make it a point of thanking posts that I consider worthy, and it's certainly no great sacrifice for me.
It doesn't seem like a lot to ask.
One of the best whistleblowers we have, Dark Journalist, barely gets any notice on the thread I keep updated about his programs, as far as I can tell, because there are often no "Thanks" at all for the posts I make there, and rarely more than a few.
(Though Bill has been very diligent lately about posting Thanks all over the forum, which I appreciate.)
I sometimes wonder why I bother.





So, why do you think so few members at Avalon seem to give a rat's ass about the one person (Julian Assange) that's actually the most dangerous to the "Shadow Government"/"Deep State"/"New World Order?"

Why do you think that is?


I guess I would have to ask why you think this? I don't post about him or on that thread. Does this mean I don't care? Of course not, but I don't usually post unless I feel I have something with contributing, and with Assange, I'm kinda out of my element so I just quietly follow.

So on what do you base your assumption?

I should be asleep, it's probably too late for me to be posting anything, but I found the assumption a bit harsh

It is a bit harsh (though I stated "so few", not "everyone", and said "it seems" because if people don't post anything or the "views" counter is relatively low compared to say, favorite music, then that is the way "it seems.") I'm astounded at the lack of overt support Assange has here at Avalon. Why aren't people hopping mad about what is happening to Assange, right now? This is important, and current, so it seems that Avalon members would be engaged. When people support Assange, maybe they could post their support publicly? Overt support adds up, quiet support is, well, invisible and silent. Members here offer opinions and/or express support for (or lack of support for) many other people, but not very much with Assange. It's very odd to me.

The opening assumption is unfounded. It implies that Avalon supporters that do not give thumbs up, smiley faces, likes and comments are not actively engaged, supportive and appreciative of "important" topics and the members who post on them that willingly give their time to keep us all up to speed.  No different to someone needing hundreds of facebook friends and then gets pissed off if no-one pushes an emoji button whenever they post.

With the volume of information available now threads can get long very quick so having to wade through endless repetitive comments of everyone saying the same thing seems practically fruitless to me.  And those that are sensitive because they think no one is paying them enough attention really need to learn to get over it.

Post because you value what you are sharing with the intention that it may help someone. Full stop.  I strongly predict Members that have the time to post, (briefly or regularly,) are helping loads of people but they'll never get to know about the majority of them.

I personally value Avalon Members that much that during my busy days of local activism it is my go to for news . . . the Assange thread being one of them.  And I assume there are many like me.  Far more that actually do give a "rat's arse" than the implication that Avalon members fall into one of your listed categories.

So I wouldn't worry about thinking it odd as odds are there's no odd to worry about.

[RogeRio]

it's an erosion of our most fundamental judeo-christian ethics and values. we're abandoning them in place of "subjective realities".

But not abandoning the Sins of that culture. Remember that, the God-Evil paradigm means there are good (ethics) and bad values playing on the game.

the bad values start to don't respect rules to win the game.


but if you admit that things are inherently meaningful, you are forced to take responsibility for all of itthat's exactly the trick of Free Will (good-bad) rule .. one can change the "polarity" of choice still seeing as inherently meaningful.


you have a population of shiftless, intellectually deficient, value deficient, moral relativists who could coldly walk by an old lady being attacked because their cell phone is beckoning. the chances of those same people going out of their way to help a guy they see on a computer or TV screen, like Assange, is next to nil

without values, nothing is valued.You Got! .. the keyword is corruption.
judeo-christian ethics and values, as others cultures have good-bad values, so the bad coexists ( inherently )

so, the bad can be hidden although its effects overload the good on the game.

the "good-bad" ones take advantage over the "good" ones that way, deluding them into thinking there are "bad" ones, that in fact there are not, indeed, "good-bad" ones seems to be as "good".

it's like a charade ( an ethical paradox ) which may be a kind of key to the veil of illusion

[Mike]

It's a great thread and an even better title:) My only regret is that i didn't think of it first lol

Dennis, I'm with you 100%. We need to do more to support Assange. It's not enough to merely post about it and talk about our indignation, although that's a good start.

The question is: what can we do to help?

I'm trying to imagine being him..wondering with deep sadness just where the hell the cavalry is? He must be deeply disappointed.

He took it upon himself to take great risks for our benefit, and I think it's our moral responsibility to support him. If you're aware of the whole situation, and still not doing anything, then I'd go so far as to say that not supporting him is passively immoral.

I'm just wondering what I can do. Any ideas?

[Dennis Leahy]

It's a great thread and an even better title:) My only regret is that i didn't think of it first lol

Dennis, I'm with you 100%. We need to do more to support Assange. It's not enough to merely post about it and talk about our indignation, although that's a good start.

The question is: what can we do to help?

I'm trying to imagine being him..wondering with deep sadness just where the hell the cavalry is? He must be deeply disappointed.

He took it upon himself to take great risks for our benefit, and I think it's our moral responsibility to support him. If you're aware of the whole situation, and still not doing anything, then I'd go so far as to say that not supporting him is passively immoral.

I'm just wondering what I can do. Any ideas?
Yeah, Doug asked the same thing. My emphasis would be on subverting the official narrative and substituting the truth... then, lather, rinse, repeat. (See my comments on narrative control to Bill, above.) It seems crystal clear that Assange will be extradited, (then found guilty and imprisoned by the US) when you read the blow-by-blow accounts of his "trial." I'd guess that the only chance of that not happening would be a MASSIVE public outcry by US citizens, so much so that Trump and his re-election strategists would see it as profoundly diminishing Trump's chance to get the big chair again. I only say that because of Trump's obvious narcissism, which could be exploited to get Trump to order a halt to what he started - but I think that would require a thousand times the current (muffled) outcry, so I'm not at all hopeful that it will happen, as the outcry should already be at a "fever pitch."

John Shipton (Assange's dad) may have other ideas, to add to raising our voices publicly (he has published some suggestions in the past.) Tintin has published Assange's prison address and the royal protocol to get a letter through. Wikileaks would like donations to Wikileaks - I don't know if they are actually paying for (some of) his legal team or not. Gemma13 is a diligent researcher (she spent a lot of time exploding the Corey Good myth and tearing him a new butthole), and has expressed support, so maybe she (or someone else) could pull together the pieces of what Assange's closest supporters understand - directly from Julian - of what would help.

I'm traveling, and packing today to move to another location, so I'll be spotty around here at least today and tomorrow, and don't have time to search for the info (but I know it exists.) Like those old war movies where the flag bearer gets shot and the next guy grabs the flag and advances it, hopefully this thread can retain its energy and focus - and include a specific list beyond what I am recommending (public, repetitive, support for Assange, Wikileaks, and whistleblowing.)

Even for devout acolytes of Donald Trump that express support for this or that notion, it would be good to admit, publicly, that Trump is indeed spearheading this destruction of whistleblowing, that Trump is wrong to do so, and that killing whistleblowing is indeed aiding and abetting the deep state (even if Trump honestly doesn't understand who he is actually helping.) Let me add, to soften the gut punch, the same way Obama was wrong to persecute whistleblowers. Killing whistleblowing is a major objective of the Elite, made quite obvious as each president takes office and continues the agenda. Oh, and didn't Clinton publicly say something like, "Can't we just take Assange out?" - someone fact check me on that.

[araucaria]

I have not been following Assange as closely as some; what I have been following are matters in which Daniel Ellsberg is an authority. Ellsberg is of course a one-man prototype of Wikileaks, leaking his own stuff; but he only recently published the major sequel to the Pentagon Papers, The Doomsday Machine: highly recommended.
https://Www.Amazon.Fr/Dp/B077blhqzy/Ref=Dp-Kindle-Redirect?_Encoding=Utf8&Btkr=1
Ellsberg is someone in the know and yet willing to accept and explain how his incomplete understanding of earth-shaking events he was himself involved in took half a century to comprehend. He candidly admits, “in October 1961 I had done my part in greasing the skids toward the Cuban missile crisis”. His entire approach is to show how humanity came within a “handbreadth” of being destroyed, not by evil people, but with good men in high places, himself included.

The fact is that on Saturday, October 27, 1962, a chain of events was in motion that might have come close to ending civilization. How close? A handbreadth. That is despite the fact, as I have come to believe, that both leaders, Khrushchev and Kennedy, were determined to avoid armed conflict — that both, in fact, were prepared to settle on the other’s terms, if necessary, rather than go to war. And yet they each hoped, by threatening war, to achieve a better bargain. For the sake of a better deal they both were willing to postpone by hours or days the settlement that each was willing to make […] their subordinates (unaware that they were supporting a pure bluff in a game of bargaining) were taking military actions that could unleash an unstoppable train of events, ultimately pulling the trigger on a Doomsday Machine. Always sensitive to the paradoxes in life, Ellsberg explains in great detail how the clearance system makes for great secrecy among large numbers of insiders, and yet how he himself was initiated into levels above top secret by careless talk. In other words, before himself becoming a whistle-blower, he was shown stuff beyond his pay grade.

The fact that this was “hard” intelligence based on actual photos was what is now called sensitive compartmented information (SCI), higher than Top Secret. Access to it required a Keyhole (K) clearance, higher than Top Secret, which I didn’t have at the time. The existence of clearances higher than Top Secret was in those years itself a well-kept secret, along with the nature of the information each of them covered and the actual information itself. It was extremely unusual for anyone holding such a clearance to give any hint of these secrets to someone who didn’t have the special clearance. […] That sanction [of losing one’s clearance] helped keep those secrets very, very well. Leaks to the press were nonexistent, either about the clearances, the intelligence means, or the contents of the information. Breaches of discipline, either deliberate or inadvertent, even to close colleagues who hadn’t been specially cleared, simply didn’t occur, with few exceptions. I happened to benefit from several such exceptional breaches. Hence, even with the best intentions and possibly the best people in charge, humanity nearly destroyed itself (he calls it ‘omnicide’). But somehow it scraped through, and there is an outside chance it may continue to do so. How did it happen? Delegation of powers: too many people had their fingers on the nuclear button.

What I take away from Daniel Ellsberg, who of course supports Julian Assange, is that defusing the Doomsday Machine will involve something similar: way too many people taking the nuclear option right off the table. This is what whistle-blowing is about: democracy in action. But the special Ellsberg flavor is non-confrontational: he consistently sees just about everyone doing their best for humanity – which is far more people than many seem to think. Even so, this may be not enough, but it is a strict minimum. How we go about achieving this is a matter for each person to decide. But as Ellsberg makes clear, we all make some terrible mistakes.

[Innocent Warrior]

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[RogeRio]

Pehaps the cavalry of centauros from Proxima Centaury b are coming to rescue Assange arrested on London, but I don't think Her Majesty's Prison Belmarsh is up to hosting Trump.

I think his ego would not fit inside any prison, even more while he is "imprisoned" in the White House

[jaybee]

It's a great thread and an even better title:) My only regret is that i didn't think of it first lol

Dennis, I'm with you 100%. We need to do more to support Assange. It's not enough to merely post about it and talk about our indignation, although that's a good start.

The question is: what can we do to help?

I'm trying to imagine being him..wondering with deep sadness just where the hell the cavalry is? He must be deeply disappointed.

He took it upon himself to take great risks for our benefit, and I think it's our moral responsibility to support him. If you're aware of the whole situation, and still not doing anything, then I'd go so far as to say that not supporting him is passively immoral.

I'm just wondering what I can do. Any ideas?


(I haven't posted for ages but still have a read sometimes and tonight I was reading this thread)

and the words you wrote...

"I'm trying to imagine being him..wondering with deep sadness just where the hell the cavalry is? He must be deeply disappointed."

have hit me hard...

I'm so upset about what's happening to Julian Assange and the feeling of helplessness that goes with it...

I have a picture of him on my wall (in my bathroom actually because it's too sad to have it in the living room)
that I took from the internet - one of him in the car when they are taking him away from the Embassy and he
is looking so deeply hurt / wounded .... I look at it and think of him... just try to connect with him...

They have him - they have him - they have him in their clutches and there is very little we can do under the circumstances...
On the physical level..

But we can try and connect with him and pray for him and think of him...

Focus on the base of the spine and feel the kundalini energy as we think of him... I can feel it stirring a bit as I'm writing..

It's the middle of the night where I am in England and I'm getting a bit tired and emotional thinking of what Julian is
going through and how he must be feeling...he must be trying to feel brave but feeling ill and traumatized and scared..

Those words you wrote have triggered tears... oh I wish this nightmare that he's going through wasn't happening and he
could be free again...


When I was thinking of logging in and making a reply in this thread I remembered a video from 'Amazing Polly' that fits in here..

(hope I can remember how to get a video into a post on this forum....)

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Witnessing abuse/bullying takes more of a toll on people than actually being bullied. I believe that the powers that be use social media to make us all witnesses to injustice in order to try to psychologically break us.

[jaybee]

Even for devout acolytes of Donald Trump that express support for this or that notion, it would be good to admit, publicly, that Trump is indeed spearheading this destruction of whistleblowing, that Trump is wrong to do so, and that killing whistleblowing is indeed aiding and abetting the deep state (even if Trump honestly doesn't understand who he is actually helping.) Let me add, to soften the gut punch, the same way Obama was wrong to persecute whistleblowers. Killing whistleblowing is a major objective of the Elite, made quite obvious as each president takes office and continues the agenda. Oh, and didn't Clinton publicly say something like, "Can't we just take Assange out?" - someone fact check me on that.


I am hoping that if they do get Julian over to America while Trump is still in office that he will pardon him...

Trump's not stupid and he knows that Assange played an important role towards getting him elected by releasing the DNC emails - and I also believe that Trump has to play a canny game with the Deep State while he is President because he must know how dangerous they are ---- I wouldn't be surprised if he was keeping very quiet about the possibility of pardoning Julian if/when he's extradited ...

and just a thought as I'm writing this and thinking about the ridiculous situation that George Galloway has described about Julian being in a bulletproof glass box in the Courtroom - perhaps the court has been warned that an attempt will be made on his life in some way - by the CIA or someone - because they don't want him to go to America in case Trump pardons him -

just a thought


Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning before he left office, if I remember right - so I'm hoping that Trump will complete the Act of Mercy by pardoning Julian Assange -

but he has to get there alive first -

(not sure what's happening to Chelsea Manning now - last I heard a while back he wouldn't testify against Assange so they had imprisoned him again for contempt or something - ??? )

[Sarah Rainsong]

Does he have to get to America for Trump to pardon him? Can't Trump pardon Assange even with him not being in US custody? Though I don't think he will, if he does at all, until he's almost out of office

Jaybee, I'm with you, I feel there's little I can do, but I do meditate and hope that he feels and is aware of the energy of those who support him

[jaybee]

Even for devout acolytes of Donald Trump that express support for this or that notion, it would be good to admit, publicly, that Trump is indeed spearheading this destruction of whistleblowing, that Trump is wrong to do so, and that killing whistleblowing is indeed aiding and abetting the deep state (even if Trump honestly doesn't understand who he is actually helping.) Let me add, to soften the gut punch, the same way Obama was wrong to persecute whistleblowers. Killing whistleblowing is a major objective of the Elite, made quite obvious as each president takes office and continues the agenda. Oh, and didn't Clinton publicly say something like, "Can't we just take Assange out?" - someone fact check me on that.


I think she did say that and I was just looking for it and came across this video of her commenting on Assange's arrest -

she has got a nerve and of course it is completely to her benefit that she keeps up the Russian Collusion nonsense because it's supposed to be why she lost - and Assange is central to all that convoluted BS -

just had another thought - perhaps they have stuck him in the Glass Box in court in case he starts talking about Seth Rich......................?


anyway here's the video and at the end she even has the gall to make a joke and have a dig at Trump -

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[Innocent Warrior]

Oh, and didn't Clinton publicly say something like, "Can't we just take Assange out?" - someone fact check me on that.

Yes, as I recall she said, “can’t we just drone him”.

Update: It was “can’t we just drone this guy”.

This article is the source: https://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/

Although WikiLeaks appears to have taken it seriously (see article for details of suspicious circumstances), the sources are unnamed, so not a confirmed claim as far as I can tell.

[Denise/Dizi]

Personally, I haven't had the time to look through every thread. This doesn't mean I do not support Assange.. And Wikileaks as well. In fact, when I began to wake up myself, I went to Wikileaks multiple times a day.. And even sent them a substantial donation, in support of his efforts to help in the awakening process of many.. With some much needed truth. Where we support, doesn't equal whether or not we support... Just my two cents.

My husband wasn't very happy I sent money to support the cause when we had our own bills, but I do not feel bad for doing so.. I didn't have the knowledge he did, or the site, but if my little donation in any way helped the cause? I tried.. And I am sure those that want to know who supports his cause? Probably know who has ever donated. So there is no fear of being caught supporting an underdog.. It just happened to be the right one at the right time.. when I was able to do so..

[jaybee]

Does he have to get to America for Trump to pardon him? Can't Trump pardon Assange even with him not being in US custody? Though I don't think he will, if he does at all, until he's almost out of office

Jaybee, I'm with you, I feel there's little I can do, but I do meditate and hope that he feels and is aware of the energy of those who support him


I don't know if he can pardon him before he goes to America - I'm guessing not and I don't know if he could cancel the extradition -
but all the Russian Stuff has tied his hands somewhat with that I'm thinking - with all his enemies ready to pounce on anything the slightest bit pro Russian - and let's not forget what happened to JFK - I'm sure Trump hasn't and I believe he himself has to play it clever to avoid that kind of scenario -

not necessarily as obvious as what happened to JFK but with the same end result ?

I'm sure all thoughts and prayers and meditation does get to him -

It's just so wrong what they are doing to him on so many levels -

[jaybee]

Personally, I haven't had the time to look through every thread. This doesn't mean I do not support Assange.. And Wikileaks as well. In fact, when I began to wake up myself, I went to Wikileaks multiple times a day.. And even sent them a substantial donation, in support of his efforts to help in the awakening process of many.. With some much needed truth. Where we support, doesn't equal whether or not we support... Just my two cents.

My husband wasn't very happy I sent money to support the cause when we had our own bills, but I do not feel bad for doing so.. I didn't have the knowledge he did, or the site, but if my little donation in any way helped the cause? I tried.. And I am sure those that want to know who supports his cause? Probably know who has ever donated. So there is no fear of being caught supporting an underdog.. It just happened to be the right one at the right time.. when I was able to do so..


Yes that's another thing everyone can do - make a donation -
thanks for reminding me - I donate to a couple of things in a haphazard way but sending money for Assange and/or Wikileaks is a very solid and practical way to give support -

cheers

[Gracy]

I think it should stand as obvious that, the very least we could do would be to *not*... support those who seek to send those like Assange to prison for the rest of their lives.

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And remember this?
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[onawah]

Humanity Is Making A Very Important Decision When It Comes To Assange
MARCH 1, 2020
by CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03/01/humanity-is-making-a-very-important-choice-when-it-comes-to-assange/

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"The propagandists have all gone dead silent on the WikiLeaks founder they previously were smearing with relentless viciousness, because they no longer have an argument. The facts are all in, and yes, it turns out the US government is certainly and undeniably working to exploit legal loopholes to imprison a journalist for exposing its war crimes. That is happening, and there is no justifying it.

So the narrative managers, by and large, have gone silent.

Which is good. Because it gives us an opening to seize control of the narrative.

It’s time to go on the offensive with this. Assange supporters have gotten so used to playing defense that it hasn’t fully occurred to us to go on a full-blown charge. I’ve been guilty of this as well; I’ll be letting myself get bogged down in some old, obsolete debate with someone about some obscure aspect of the Swedish case or something, not realizing that none of that matters anymore. All the narrative manipulations that were used to get Assange to this point are impotent, irrelevant expenditures of energy compared to the fact that we now have undeniable evidence that the US government is working to set a precedent which will allow it to jail any journalist who exposes its misdeeds, and we can now force Assange’s smearers to confront this reality.

“Should journalists be jailed for exposing US war crimes? Yes or no?”

That’s the debate now. Not Russia. Not Sweden. Not whether he followed proper bail protocol or washed his dishes at the embassy. That’s old stuff. That’s obsolete. That’s playing defense.

Now we play offense: “Should journalists be jailed for exposing US war crimes? Yes or no?”

Demand an answer. Call attention to them and demand that they answer. Dig them out of their hidey holes and make them answer this. Drag them out into the light and make them answer this question in front of everyone. Because that is all this is about now.

Don’t get sidetracked. Don’t get tricked into debating defensively. Force the issue: the US government is trying to establish and normalize the practice of extraditing and imprisoning journalists for exposing its misdeeds. That is the issue to focus on.

You will find that anyone who dares to stick their head above the parapet and smear Assange now gets very, very squirmy if you pin them down and force them to address this issue. Because they cannot answer without admitting that they are wrong. And that they’ve been wrong this entire time. It’s a completely unassailable argument.

We now have two and a half months to prepare for the second half of Julian Assange’s extradition hearing: all of March, all of April, and half of May. We’re going to need all that time to seize control of the narrative and make it very, very clear to the world that a very important decision is about to be made by the powerful on our behalf, if we don’t make that decision for them.

This really is do or die time, humans. If we allow them to extradite and imprison Julian Assange for practicing journalism, that’s it. It’s over. We might as well all stop caring what happens to the world and sit on our hands while the oligarchs drive us to ecological disaster, nuclear annihilation or authoritarian dystopia.

If we, the many, don’t have the spine to stand up against the few and say “No, we get to find out facts about you bastards and use it to inform our worldview, you don’t get to criminalize that,” then we certainly won’t have the spine it will take to wrest control of this world away from the hands of sociopathic plutocrats and take our fate into our own hands.

This is it. This is the part of the movie where we collectively choose the red pill or the blue pill. We are collectively being asked a question here, and our answer to that question will determine the entire course we will take as a species.

So what’s it going to be, humanity?

Truth, or lies?

Light, or darkness?

A world where we can hold power to account with the light of truth, or a world where power decides what’s true for us?

A world with free speech and a free press, or a world where journalists are imprisoned whenever they expose the evils of the most powerful institutions on this planet?

A world where we all actively fight to free Assange and get the job done, or a giant, irreversible leap toward the end of humanity as we know it?

Do we free Assange?

Or do we sit complacent with our Netflix and our KFC and trust the authority figures to do what’s best?

Do we take the red pill?

Or do we take the blue one?

Choose your path, humans.

Choose wisely. "

(Also, don't miss Caitlin's previous article from 2.28/20 "This Assange “Trial” Is A Self-Contradictory Kafkaesque Nightmare" which Dennis posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106650-The-thread-of-Caitlin-Johnstone-s-words&p=1338211&viewfull=1#post1338211
...and the accompanying video:
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[Bill Ryan]

Does he have to get to America for Trump to pardon him? Can't Trump pardon Assange even with him not being in US custody? Though I don't think he will, if he does at all, until he's almost out of office
I have quite a lot of attention on whether Trump will pardon him. I do think it seems a little unlikely (sadly!). But one hopes.

That has become a core issue for me about whether Trump really is a "good guy" — or merely a maverick, eccentric, pragmatic businessman, regarded as highly inconvenient and out of place in the sleazy political world.

[Dennis Leahy]

I don't think a president can "pardon" someone until and unless they are convicted of a crime. Convicted. The pardon overturns the conviction.

What Trump could do would be to get into a time machine and go back in time to when he instigated the rendition from the embassy, the Belmarsh imprisonment (for the skinny non-violent publisher) and psychological torture, and the extradition request. He would have to undo what he has done, which many people seem to have obfuscated in their mind. The only other way to see Trump as NOT one of the bad guys would be to say that the "Deep State" actually instigated the rendition, imprisonment, and torture of the publisher that embarrassed/exposed some crimes of the Deep State. That would make Trump a puppet who is simply pretending to be the instigator of Assange's (and Wikileaks') persecution - not exactly all the way to "good guy", though there are no brain synapses in my head that I can rub together to plausibly see him as a good guy [fealty to the overtly apartheid/genocidal Israeli government including "signing over" Syria's Golan Heights to Israel, missile bombing in Syria and occupation of Syrian oilfields based on known BS "Assad gassed his own people!" lies now quite public with the OPCW scandal, sanctions and overt and covert attacks on Iran, attack by sanction on the sovereign (and socialist) nation of Venezuela, and taking over Obama's most important job for the Deep State: continuing to cover-up 9/11. Just a few off the top of my head.]

[Agape]

I would believe that outstanding US president are capable of mercy if the move is supported by majority of American public.

Because leaking diplomatic cables is a matter of state and diplomatic protocols and personnel follow so called Geneva Convention and are figuratively untouchable in matters of privacy and law, meaning the trust granted to foreign emissary apprehends the trust of the highest dignitary and that of a guest.

But: everyday people are hardly educated in matters of international law, period. I’ve heard people believing lots of nonsense coming from hearsay, or simply never being exposed to the kind of information concerned.

If people inside America rise their hands and stand up for Julian Assange and say “we pardon you” , this or the next presidential candidate will more like support the move.

The next good question will be who is the bigger half of American people today ? It’s a generation of immigrants and their children who themselves struggle to keep in line with the system in order to prove themselves as civilised and dignified beings.

Back to Julian and his moves and motivations: they were huge and one of a time effort to show who is who on inside. I think he had pure heart and very little time to make decision or even a choice. If not published immediately the same materials would likely become a token on information black market with another party threatening the law in another way.

It seems to me though that he was unaware of the whole sensitivity of diplomatic protocols when doing that.

It moved the Time-Wheel forth and forth. There is no “go back” and no “turn away” from all those ugly truths and war games and engagements.

Keep making Peace, is important and apply the most ethical, humane laws in your country first to become possible example and worthy aid to others.
Stop prioritising your economical aims everywhere and selling people weapons so they can kill each other better.

Give them education and life options and they will love you.

Give them weapons and hatred, no matter whose enemy are they , they too will but hate each other at the end.

Poor dear Julian. “Caused WW3” . All the dirt of so many people being thrown on one persons head. Disgusting but historically preceded ..think what’s happened 2020 years ago in Jerusalem.
So called Jesus did nothing else “against the Roman Empire” than disagreeing with authority after being detained for disturbing public order.

He was or would have been released by the back door since he looked innocent and acted docile but the story gets confused here. The “orthodox party” on the street shouted “crucify” because they saw him as heretic and pseudo messiah.
Something was telling them the time is not over yet :)

While everyone was nearly correct so called Jesus refused to cope with the situation and gave in to the Heavenly Father instead or went to Himalayas,
it doesn’t really matter, the rest is folk tale.


I’m quoting the case just because the principle is nearly similar but in 2000 years we should have learned something


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[greybeard]

Agape I must compliment you.
The way you express yourself now with clarity & a grasp of the topics you post on is a far cry from your very first posts on Avalon--that is not in any way degrading what you brought in your first posts.
You now have a full grasp of the English language and good, confident way of expressing.
With full respect
Chris

[thepainterdoug]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

[Frank V]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference. ;)

[Agape]

Agape I must compliment you.
The way you express yourself now with clarity & a grasp of the topics you post on is a far cry from your very first posts on Avalon--that is not in any way degrading what you brought in your first posts.
You now have a full grasp of the English language and good, confident way of expressing.
With full respect
Chris


Thank you Chris . Just remember “we were here on time” and I’m not the Doer. Truly, there is not enough time to improve me :)
There’s never been enough time to improve me :)

Most of the real work for me happens in consciousness, between consciousnesses, beyond words. Guess it’s more like interstellar maths and not easy to translate to human language.

I’m not very communicative on outside for most of my life , except for good occasions , given lectures or times with friends.
Simple social occasions feed me for months ahead really :)

People hold it against me in all cultures( chuckles):)

But there’s so much i process everyday I fail to leave the trail really.


Your last port of resistance

Freedom to all


🕊🕊🕊

[Sarah Rainsong]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference. ;)

And this is why people don't do anything.

[thepainterdoug]

Rainsong. Wayne Gretzky said 100% of all the shots not taken, don't go in. however, Im glad you were amused.

[Frank V]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference. ;)

And this is why people don't do anything.

Do you seriously believe that there's any chance ─ any chance at all ─ that sending 1960's pinup photos to Donald Trump with a request to pardon Julian Assange would be able to prompt Trump to do exactly that? Really?

Oh boy! :facepalm:

[RogeRio]

100% of all the shots not taken, don't go in.

painterdoug, the shots don't go in, but the "intention sent" nothing can block, that's the point.

Dennis is right, Pardon to Assange can not be appropriate, but can send a "Let Assange Live Free, please"

send our best energies on the postcard and think for the better "intentionally" .. maybe works, who knows ?

[Sarah Rainsong]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference. ;)

And this is why people don't do anything.

Do you seriously believe that there's any chance ─ any chance at all ─ that sending 1960's pinup photos to Donald Trump with a request to pardon Julian Assange would be able to prompt Trump to do exactly that? Really?

Oh boy! :facepalm:

Of course not, but that wasn't the point. But I didn't explain further and shouldn't have responded with a one-liner. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Sorry.

My point was only that people shouldn't be discouraged from doing something --anything-- especially when the whole point of the thread was that people needed to do something.

ETA I was in Mom-referee mode when I posted, which was definitely the wrong mode to be in while having a discussion amongst intelligent adults

[Sue (Ayt)]

I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

Feels like with so many abominations going on and being exposed, people are rapidly becoming overwhelmed. And the variation of our natural inclinations lead us all to focus on different (but equally relevant) issues. (No one has the time to be active in all issues.)

I'm happy to see your call to attention with this thread, Dennis. I have been following your other thread, but for years have been quietly raising awareness in other areas more suited to my inclinations.

PainterDoug - I fully admire your idea. Lightbulb ideas like this really can take off.
What if a couple million people snail-mailed this note to the pres? Large movements always start somewhere.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" Tao Te Ching, chapter 64

I do believe I too will send a postcard (sans art) each week to the Whitehouse.
There. Your efforts have already been doubled!
:flower:

[Satori]

The president has the power to pardon for commission or alleged commission of a federal offense even prior to a conviction. However, a federal crime must have been committed or alleged to have been committed. Typically, there is also risk of prosecution before a pardon is granted prior to conviction.

Richard Nixon is the classic historical example of a presidential pardon prior to indictment, and thus no conviction.

A pardon denotes, connotes or implies guilt of the accused, says the USSC.

[thepainterdoug]

Frank V and everyone. do you really believe that being angry and outraged alone will help Julien Assange? please .

I think Rain song gets it. Nothing we do here chatting all about will make a difference. But I will do what I said regardless. Of course I don't believe Im going to change policy by some pin up post cards. But message in a a bottle? Is it going to hurt ? What the cost? benefit? very little cost, vrs a possible miracle

AYT, LOVE IT!! I will post my post card when ready!! hope you do so also.

did Rosa Parks believe getting up from the back of the bus would change history? What if a thousand of us started sending postcards?

its a pinup postcard revolution!!! lol

[Caliban]

Frank V and everyone. do you really believe that being angry and outraged alone will help Julien Assange? please .

I think Rain song gets it. Nothing we do here chatting all about will make a difference. But I will do what I said regardless. Of course I don't believe Im going to change policy by some pin up post cards. But message in a a bottle? Is it going to hurt ? What the cost? benefit? very little cost, vrs a possible miracle

AYT, LOVE IT!! I will post my post card when ready!! hope you do so also.

did Rosa Parks believe getting up from the back of the bus would change history? What if a thousand of us started sending postcards?

its a pinup postcard revolution!!! lol

I think it's a great idea, Doug. Why don't you send some to someone like Tucker Carlson who I think Trump actually listens to, privately. Couldn't hurt.

[thepainterdoug]

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Will be in the mail tomorrow.

[Gracy]

Doug, minus the "please", the "thank you", and combined with a few hundred thousand more, you may be onto something there imo.

[Denise/Dizi]

Be careful reaching out to the White House too much, I called once,. and the Secret Service called me back to see if I was a threat to the president! They don't like people sending any president anything, and worse, trying to actually CALL HIM as I did... (ok, so I am kind of bold...) They prefer that you use your local representatives to do the job for you... (Which of course they never will)..

And while he wouldn't personally receive them? Someone would, and begin to notice a trend, and you too, may get that special phone call one day... Where you have to laugh because the secret service is interrogating you. Or at the very least? Ending up on some watch list.. True Story, this happened to me...

[Sue (Ayt)]

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Will be in the mail tomorrow.

How about sharing some memes around the web? Or sending them about via group emails? I know next to nothing about making graphics for sure, but something like this?
May help for reminding...
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[Agape]

Interestingly enough, Julian actually did try to call the White House before releasing all the data on public website. He asked to speak to then Secretary of State HC explaining the matter of urgency. It’s not clear from the following report what their response was, on that day.

Julian Assange phoned White House to warn of risk of lives (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51633303)


They should have definitely heard the call on that day even have record of it.

Did they think it’s a prank ?


I can explain my heartfelt support for Julian if only on that behalf of taking big information leap ahead, first of certain kind in contemporary history is: extremely difficult.
First reaction is no reaction. State of stupor and paralysis. Any authority in the system including scientists and medical professionals and firemen and all the rest won’t react because it’s not “in the manual”. Right. 🙏
If it’s not in the manual it does not exist. They’re all programmed. It needs little bit of shock to get them unplugged but one can’t zap people unless it’s a complete emergency.
I know the situation of my Bodhgaya report on extraterrestrial origin of mankind and the big encounter I had in 2002.
It still is such a tabu in most of conventional society that I totally had to rely on my own devices and friends to get on and forwards.

The prejudice towards any new information that isn’t in their books already was too high. It isn’t uncomplicated data either unless you wish to discuss it from a bit more advanced astrophysical and biological perspective than their current one.
It wasn’t that I was not ready to explain things or unable to do that.

Their ears were plugged. They were quite blocked from learning anything beyond what they were taught already.

I was being sent to corners.

As a matter of consequence many private parties had the privilege to discuss them privately and discuss them on good level if they intended so but not much has been done so far and i won’t mention the rest now. It would be long.

I have never been a threat to anyone or threaten their lives or safety, honestly. It’s a path I had taken by learning and decision as young student and for many experiences and tests passed, I’ve seen how our very own brightest skills, intellect, even too much empathy can be turned to sharp weapon.
As a teenager I’d learn lots about it and how even the highest truths can hurt someone who aren’t ready but through years of practice and teachings,
one ultimately arrives at point of taking no action.
Better than intervening in human affairs.

I’ve seen this world changing from dark to over bright and clean to very dirty. I don’t want to quote scriptures because I think it’s worse than in biblical times now in many ways and we are barely evolving emotional AND physical capacity to contain what’s happening or what may yet to come.

As Dennis asked WHY I always ask why and for many years i would see people walking around with blindfolds. They would prefer not to see the dirt and what is happening in the world around, the problems of the world were always “problems of the other people”. “Not ours”. We don’t have to sort it out till it’s 5 to 12 AM,

No I don’t live in some close shell and isolated bubble. My bubble is mirror to the Universe.

The consciousness on this planet needs to keep rising for quite a while so that people reach at least “common sense” level of consensus on reality planning and response, stop fighting each other and stop being completely irrational and treating themselves out of purpose. The whole civilisation picture as it stands now is unsustainable if people won’t improve it.

So firmly yes the times need to move ahead together with our understanding of everything.


Thinking hats on


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[Chester]

I would like to draw attention to the content of this excellent post by edina (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1338743&viewfull=1#post1338743).

The implications made in her post point out the complexity of the Assange situation.

[thepainterdoug]

Gracie May, I was raised with manners . Also , would you want to be asked, or told what to do by someone who really doesn't have too much info on the situation?
So I read the post by Edina, suggested by one of the posters , and now looking over things, its apparent to me that were not really sure about Assange who he is and what he's up to. Im going to re watch a Rich Planet that Rich Hall and Andrew Johnson did on Assange's upbringing , MKUltra and not being who we think he is . And perhaps its our collective mistrust of who he is that has dampened everyones followup on this. So holding my postcard for a day or two more.

[Tintin]

Doug - as much as I love your postcard idea, and please do push ahead with that ( :highfive: ), how about this heartwarming display of action too? It doesn't look like doctored footage either...

Link: https://twitter.com/AssangeScotland/status/1234394675546644481

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[thepainterdoug]

TINTIN/ Well that says it !

Attached is a Rich Planet that calls into question Assange , motives and so on. https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=240&part=1&gen=4

FROM RICHPLANET/ In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In today's programme, for the first time anywhere I reveal just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.

[Tintin]

TINTIN/ Well that says it !

Attached is a Rich Planet that calls into question Assange , motives and so on. https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=240&part=1&gen=4

FROM RICHPLANET/ In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In today's programme, for the first time anywhere I reveal just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.

Well, and I mean this kindly, Richplanet are wrong here :)

[thepainterdoug]

And more of recent on Assange
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/03/02/us-uk-use-stalin-show-trial-for-assange/

[Frank V]

TINTIN/ Well that says it !

Attached is a Rich Planet that calls into question Assange , motives and so on. https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=240&part=1&gen=4

FROM RICHPLANET/ In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In today's programme, for the first time anywhere I reveal just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.

Well, and I mean this kindly, Richplanet are wrong here :)

And not just "here". I've been observing lots and lots of grotesque misinformation and knee-jerk paranoia coming from RichPlanet over these last couple of years ─ enough to make me want to hit them over the head and throw them in the same box with Alfred Lambremont Webre, Michael Salla and ─ sad as I have to say it ─ Kerry Cassidy.

:unsure:

[jaybee]

TINTIN/ Well that says it !

Attached is a Rich Planet that calls into question Assange , motives and so on. https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=240&part=1&gen=4

FROM RICHPLANET/ In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In today's programme, for the first time anywhere I reveal just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.

Well, and I mean this kindly, Richplanet are wrong here :)


I agree..... but more than just 'wrong'..... they are showing their true colours and essentially breaking cover (depending on how many people believe them) - to be honest I have had a question mark after Richard Hall's name for quite a while....

No

I'm not having it :)

In the video he is casting doubt over Assange, Snowden and Manning - which is exactly what an undercover plant would do...

I know I am now casting doubt on Richard Hall - but I trust my judgement on this and I believe Assange to be genuine..

Let's see now.... Richard Hall or Julian Assange - who do you pick as the spook and Intelligence Asset..?
Richard Hall free and spouting off as usually (in a rather stilted way like he's reading an essay out to the class) -
or Assange imprisoned and as good as tortured by the British Authorities - in various ways including solitary
confinement -

This doesn't mean to say that the Intelligence Service hasn't tried to make use of WikiLeaks and turn it to their
advantage - of course they would... like roping it into the Russian Collusion 'Stuff'...

But

[Dennis Leahy]

TINTIN/ Well that says it !

Attached is a Rich Planet that calls into question Assange , motives and so on. https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=240&part=1&gen=4

FROM RICHPLANET/ In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In today's programme, for the first time anywhere I reveal just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.

I do know some good (but confused) people that glum onto something they see as negative about Assange/Wikileaks, such as Assange saying he wasn't interested in focusing on 9/11 when there are other, provable, conspiracies. (What this told me was that Wikileaks doesn't have any documents, cables, or video exposing 9/11 conspirators - because the bastards that did it didn't write it down.)

But then there are also the organizations and individuals that are most certainly under the "project mockingbird"-like control of the intelligence agencies, pretending to be "the people's independent voice."

If you saw the Collateral Murder video with your own eyes, obviously showing war crimes with programmed nonchalance expressed by the gunner/pilots indicating that this was a normal, typical, sanctioned operation for the US military, it is impossible to conclude that "the powers that be", warmongering imperialists, would have wanted this leaked. It is more than embarrassing for them, it exposes them. The Democrat corporation and the Republican corporation are both controlled by the same people, so the takedown of Wikileaks and Assange (and whistleblowing) isn't a partisan issue, either. Obama jailed a bunch of important whistleblowers (see the documentary "Silenced.") Trump is merely executing the continuing agenda of the real controllers behind the curtain. It's actually a bizarre twist that Assange/Wikileaks are very likely the thin margin that got Trump the presidency (if you believe that votes are actually accurately counted, and tabulated - I don't happen to believe that.)

Cui bono? is the appropriate question to ask. The Ruling Overlords want whistleblowing stopped, contained, silenced. It has been literally the only threat to their continued run as Overlords. (Yes, the'd still be rich with its attendant power, but they want/need government control and military control, not just the power of wealth.)

Richplanet thus places themselves into either themselves being intelligence assets, or truly ignorant beyond comprehension.

[jaybee]

Interestingly enough, Julian actually did try to call the White House before releasing all the data on public website. He asked to speak to then Secretary of State HC explaining the matter of urgency. It’s not clear from the following report what their response was, on that day.

Julian Assange phoned White House to warn of risk of lives (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51633303)


They should have definitely heard the call on that day even have record of it.

Did they think it’s a prank ?

[snip]

Thinking hats on


⛑


thanks - I had a look to see about that and this piece from Wikileaks explains quite a lot about how and when they started to take Assange Down... using a Guardian 'Journalist' and a German Weekly Publication Freitag -

couple of quotes from the article by Wikileaks explaining it - full article explains it in more detail -

https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html


~~~~~Guardian investigations editor, David Leigh, recklessly, and without gaining our approval, knowingly disclosed the decryption passwords in a book published by the Guardian. Leigh states the book was rushed forward to be written in three weeks--the rights were then sold to Hollywood.~~~~~


~~~~~~Two weeks ago, when it was discovered that information about the Leigh book had spread so much that it was about to be published in the German weekly Freitag, WikiLeaks took emergency action, asking the editor not allude to the Leigh book, and tasked its lawyers to demand those maliciously spreading its details about the Leigh book stop.~~~~~~



so I had a quick look to get more on Leigh and I think this is significant -

there was a huge scandal years ago where journalists were exposed for hacking into peoples private phones and voicemails.. it even resulted in the closure of The News of the World that had been going for donkeys years - Leigh was caught up in it but WASN'T prosecuted - it wasn't deemed to be in the public interest - (hmmm)



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/guardian-hacking-journalist-david-leigh-wont-be-charged-7851045.html


~~~~~A Guardian journalist who admitted phone hacking will not be prosecuted, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said today.

David Leigh, the paper's investigations executive editor, admitted hacking an arms company executive's phone.

But today the CPS said that although the police investigation was not complete, its view was that Mr Leigh should not be prosecuted and the police have been advised accordingly.


Mr Leigh made the admission in an article after former News of the World royal reporter Clive Goodman pleaded guilty in December 2006 to intercepting voicemail messages left on royal aides' phones.

He said in the article that he had got a "voyeuristic thrill" from listening to the voicemail messages.

The CPS statement said: "As we said on April 18, the CPS was passed a file relating to one journalist with relation to alleged offences under RIPA (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act).

"The journalist in question is David Leigh of The Guardian and the request for advice related to an article he wrote on December 4, 2006 and the evidence he gave to the Leveson Inquiry on that subject.

"We have now considered this file and, although the investigation is not complete, the view has been taken that this is one of those rare cases in which it is clear that, prior to the collection and consideration of all the evidence, the public interest does not require a prosecution. The police have been advised accordingly.~~~~



well that's ok then if he just did it for a 'voyeuristic thrill' :facepalm:


more likely he was let off because he was an undercover spook or at least did some work for them and I'm speculating that helping to bring Assange down was one of his assignments -



from his Wiki Page...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Leigh_(journalist)


~~~~In 2010 Leigh was a member of the team which handled the release of United States diplomatic and military documents which had been passed to WikiLeaks, and which worked closely with Julian Assange. The relationship soured after the Guardian published details of allegations of sexual misbehaviour made against Assange by two Swedish women. This caused David Leigh to tweet: "The #guardian published too many leaks for #Assange 's liking, it seems. So now he's signed up 'exclusively' with #Murdoch's Times. Gosh.~~~~~


starting to stick the knife in and pushing the trumped up Sex Accusations against Assange in Sweden... ?


anyway... thats more detail about what has come up as a major accusation in the Extradition Court Case - that Assange wrecklessly endagered lives - but Leigh was at the bottom of that with what he put in his book and Assange tried to Limit the Damage - ie trying to warn the White House etc

[bettye198]

Gosh, as much as we care about Assange, I cannot help but look at the stack of books we have at home of amazing info from whistleblowers. You think you have read it all, then pow! another whistleblower pops up. It is actually very grand to know we are not alone in the quest to stay alive and think. Right now, I cannot help but be so p'od at the whole lot of them upping the anty about coronavirus. Trump just lost all his anti vax supporters by holding court with the big Pharma for a vaccine, ANOTHER VACCINE on the long list of vaccines. I have to ask this community one question: What would you do if there was a mandated vaccine for everyone about this before you could walk into a grocery store, your business, your workplace, your school or your church? Would you succumb? Or do you think a rebellion of another kind will occur to protest? I will go first. Not me.

[thepainterdoug]

bettye 198/ first off regarding Trump decision on a vaccine . How could any president say he's opting out of seeking a vaccine?

as of now I would resist a vaccine. but i gotta tell you, I didn't get the flu shot and never did, but I had the flu this year in early January
and i do remember saying this thing could easily kill somebody. I was so sick It took me 10 minutes to get enough strength to lift myself out of bed.
And I came close to passing out while walking in my room. And I live alone .

so will make a game time call, but most likely will resist getting a vaccine.

[Innocent Warrior]

I do know some good (but confused) people that glum onto something they see as negative about Assange/Wikileaks, such as Assange saying he wasn't interested in focusing on 9/11 when there are other, provable, conspiracies. (What this told me was that Wikileaks doesn't have any documents, cables, or video exposing 9/11 conspirators - because the bastards that did it didn't write it down.)

The only source I could find for this claim was an article written by a Matthew Bell back in 2010 (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html). He claims he spoke to Assange after Assange did a talk and the following is from that article (he offered no evidence other than his claim) -

“His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news." What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."

You need to log in to read the full article now, which I have no desire to do, the above is from an old post of mine from when you didn’t need to log in.

I have supported WikiLeaks for ten years and have never seen anything to confirm Bell’s claim.

In my earlier post on this thread I mentioned how effective the smear campaign has been, this is just one tiny example of many of how that’s achieved. Bell’s description of Julian was even less convincing than the CCP’s propaganda on COVID-19. Very few people are as kind as Dennis when they come across these sort of claims, far fewer ever bother to do any fact checking before they repeat these unsubstantiated claims.

[Innocent Warrior]

Gracie May, I was raised with manners . Also , would you want to be asked, or told what to do by someone who really doesn't have too much info on the situation?
So I read the post by Edina, suggested by one of the posters , and now looking over things, its apparent to me that were not really sure about Assange who he is and what he's up to. Im going to re watch a Rich Planet that Rich Hall and Andrew Johnson did on Assange's upbringing , MKUltra and not being who we think he is . And perhaps its our collective mistrust of who he is that has dampened everyones followup on this. So holding my postcard for a day or two more.

With respect, there are greater issues at hand here, like the public’s right to be informed of crimes being committed with their taxes and in their name and journalists’ rights to publish the truth, not to mention the precedent being set with the US requesting extradition over these charges, from the UK no less.

As far as Rich is concerned (he’s done work I greatly appreciate), he didn’t even get Julian’s age at the time right and did a poor job on following up on questions that he himself raised. There were a couple of things he discussed that I found to be...curious, however, it was such a sloppy job one would need to spend more time vetting it than it takes to watch it. Clearly a piece that was approached with bias against Julian.

There is plenty that we do know about this situation, it baffles me to think conspiracy theories are even considered in light of the cold hard facts of what’s going on here.

[Agape]

Let’s not forget that Julian grew up in Australia in the 70s/80s where lots of peace activism strived happily( till about recently I guess).
Australia was safe heaven for spiritual people, freedom seekers, nature lovers and healthy life style for generation of people at least.

It has its grim history of being prison island to exile dump for victims of wars of last century but for long it had sunny side to it before the latest chain of global political take overs.

No matter what kind of disgusting details get discussed in the court room, breach of privacy and aiding to so called enemy( cough cough, where is the enemy now namely Iraq , yer ally ) , no matter the failed logic: yeah you have spent millions and millions of dollars on that one person alone and all the hacktivity against him after it already happened, and while you can do nothing about things that already happened blame your spending on the war and this war on yourself and yourself alone,
or are people willingly paying for this case out of their pockets, I doubt that,

the only one reason behind this kind of hactivity is an effort to “STOP THE WAR”.

It was no different than all the other wars, the Vietnam war, the Korean War, the Afghan war, the Cold War and the rest.

No different from WWII with all of its historical atrocities.

The so called “Muslim state” was created in direct response to US/EU/UNO presence in the Middle East and Asia interpreted by them as constant threat and not so well understood support of regional conflicts. Every country have some but forgive me to say they wish and need to sort them by their own intelligence, first.

In case of famines and epidemics the aid is sparse compared to the price of drones, planes and missiles. More so every such war results in more misery, countless victims and economical devastation. How much would it cost to drop bags of rice instead “bombs” to places like Iraq, Syria, notorious North Korea, Yemen, Lebanon and Democratic Republic of Kongo just to quote few. Without offending anyone, I think those people would love you, thank you and consider you friend in need.



We have been watching people of Yemen starving for years now and Syria destroyed,
the war still continues as we talk , not different in its destructive capacity than WWI.

Following the Manhattan project and “successful” bombardment of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the world is now stockpiling nuclear weapons following your prima efforts in that matter. Cheerio. You’re the first.

So when does the time come to reflect on where are we all going with this ?

Because you see, most of us realize that the planet is but
One and most of us sought purpose in our lives other than hating and killing other people.
I know you seem to have a contingency for killing people because it’s an old bad habit and they never go easily but is it not that your own life hurts a bit now and then ?

I’m back on topic of Julian Assange and see why this war is going on, the continuation of all their wars we have ever tried to stop with bare hands and appeal on someones conscience thinking we have missed something.

Personal detail perhaps , I don’t think that many of those people “up there” are really happy from within. They look well, have more than anyone else but have too many enemies, and conflicts we can’t see or appreciate.

Too much in hurry to think deeply. That’s not great so find a way to make this world a
happier place

🙏


Do I have to write it on a postcard ?

I think it ends “God Bless Ya and God Bless America”


🙏

[Dennis Leahy]

If only one person does it, like Denise said, that person will be examined by the secret service... but what if 10,000 or 100,000 people sent a note or postcard stating: "I'm a voter, and had planned to vote for you, but if you take down Julian Assange, I will know for sure that you work for the Deep State that Assange exposed, and you will not get my vote and I will actively make my voice as loud and public as I can, opposing you."

[jaybee]

I think I will send postcards to Melania and see if she can influence him ... :bigsmile:

Even though I still hope he is aware of what's going on with Assange but is biding his time to act -

Although it's all got complicated with the huge push by the Deep State to try and link Trump with Putin which has tied his hands a bit - politically -
Especially before the next election because he doesn't want to play into his enemies' hands at this point ?

[Tintin]

Some on this excellent thread (which it must be stated is some distance ahead of the pack for "Thread Title of the Year" in the annual Avalon TTOTY Awards ( :) ) have wondered what they can do to help more.

Here's another route for those prepared to help, in this way. :flower: [cross posted from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101183-Current-Wikileaks-and-Assange-News-Releases&p=1339049&viewfull=1#post133904)]

[CAMPAIGN]

Save My Son Julian GoFundMe (https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-my-son-julian?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet) campaign

Christine Assange is organising this fundraiser.
Created 1 day ago (March 3rd, 2020)




"My son, Julian Assange, is a multi-award winning Australian journalist who is facing the fight of his life. He is currently detained in Belmarsh, as a prisoner facing US extradition.

If he is convicted, he will be subjected to 175 years in a US prison.

He will never be released.

Through his organisation WikiLeaks, he published evidence of widespread abuse of power, including systemic corruption and war crimes committed all over the world. He published this material in the public interest. He believed that all people have the right to know the truth and what goes on behind closed doors.

Julian is an Australian citizen who is up against powerful States that have an unlimited amount of resources at their disposal. These States want to make an example out of him.

I can't fight this on my own. I am raising money to fund a hand-picked, highly professional and experienced media and diplomatic team in Australia.

My son's life is at risk.

Please help me to save my son. Your support is priceless and any small amount will be greatly appreciated."

[araucaria]

I support Julian Assange. When crime is based on secrecy, you cannot both fight crime and maintain secrecy.

[araucaria]

Just bumping this thread after stalling it with a post now cut short.

[onawah]

Possibly some hope, help coming from the stars (not ET related, rather, astrology
See:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91348-Ang-Stoic-Astrological-Reports&p=1339582&viewfull=1#post1339582
(Cosmic parallels drawn between what's happening now with the US oligarchy and the collapse of the USSR not so long ago)

[anandacate]

I heard this video today and it gave me a new respect for WikiLeaks. Best to listen to the very end (5:11).
k-EDc6iJgcE

[Dennis Leahy]

Excellent find, anandacate!

Sammy posted this following video in the Q thread:
W8lRg-DVNdc

[Caliban]

On a side note, isn't it interesting that Tucker Carlson is the guy having Roger Waters on his show--to discuss the case of Julian Assange? He's also recently had on Tulsi Gabbard (often), Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Michael Tracey, Anya Parampil, et al. These people aren't exactly popping up on MSNBC or CNN.

Strange but true. Fox News is actually more informative than those others. And taking more actual risks. Whoa.

[Agape]

Looks like they’ve answered to you Denis, it’s operation under way 🌈🙏

Considering that you’ve posted this thread in February 2020 and the Parkes radio telescope in Australia working under auspices of the Breakthrough Initiative recorded
30 hours of signal on wavelength 982 MHz coming possibly from one of the planets of Proxima Centauri about 2 or 3 months later ( April - May 2020)
they’ve apparently decided to intervene.

https://www.planetary.org/articles/aliens-at-proxima-centauri-a-new-radio-signal-raises-the-question


The signal is being studied with results published in 2021 by the BI science team.


( as proximal as we can get)

🙏😀🙏

[Kryztian]

Hopefully, the Proxima Centauri b ETs will also teleport Joe Biden to Belmarsh:

Biden Regime Wants Julian Assange Crucified for Truth-Telling
By Stephen Lendman
Global Research, February 11, 2021
https://www.globalresearch.ca/biden-regime-wants-julian-assange-crucified-truth-telling/5736997

On January 4, UK District Court Judge Vanessa Baraitser rejected the Trump regime’s request to extradite Assange to the US, saying:


I have decided that extradition would be oppressive and I order his discharge.”

Instead of ordering him released straightaway from unjust confinement under harsh conditions, she denied his legal team’s bail request — based on the following phony reason, saying:


I am satisfied that there are substantial grounds for believing that if Mr Assange is released today he would fail to surrender to court to face the appeal proceedings (sic),” adding:

“As far as Mr Assange is concerned, this case has not yet been won…The outcome of this appeal is not yet known.”

Assange remains in harsh Belmarsh prison confinement.

Injustice against him continues with no near-term prospect for resolution.

Biden regime hardliners are no different from their predecessors.

According to their injustice department spokesman Marc Raimondi:


We continue to seek (Assange’s) extradition.”

On February 8, speech, media, and academic freedom advocates — along with champions of civil liberties and human rights groups — wrote to Biden regime’s acting attorney general Monty Wilkerson as follows, saying:


We…share our profound concern about the ongoing criminal and extradition proceedings relating to Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, under the Espionage Act and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,” adding:

“(W)e share the view that the government’s indictment of him poses a grave threat to press freedom both in the United States and abroad.”

“We urge you to drop the appeal of the decision by Judge Vanessa Baraitser of the Westminster Magistrates’ Court to reject the Trump administration’s extradition request.”

“We also urge you to dismiss the underlying indictment.”

“The indictment of Mr. Assange threatens press freedom because much of the conduct described in the indictment is conduct that journalists engage in routinely—and that they must engage in in order to do the work the public needs them to do.”

“Journalists at major news publications regularly speak with sources, ask for clarification or more documentation, and receive and publish documents the government considers secret.”

“In our view, such a precedent in (Assange’s) case could effectively criminalize these common journalistic practices.

A total of 24 organizations signed the letter, including:


The ACLU
Center for Constitutional Rights
Committee to Protect Journalists
Defending Rights and Dissent
Electronic Frontier Foundation
First Amendment Coalition
Free Press
Freedom of the Press Foundation
National Coalition Against Censorship
Roots Action
Press Freedom Defense Fund of First Look Institute
Whistleblower & Source Protection Program (WHISPeR) at ExposeFacts

The above and other calls on Biden to drop spurious charges against Assange and order his release were rejected.

Criminalizing his truth-telling journalism continues — a US dagger thrust into the heart of constitutionally affirmed First Amendment rights bipartisan hardliners want undermined by repressive legislation.

If occurs, extraditing Assange to the US for politicized show trial persecution will be another major body blow to digital democracy, the last frontier of media freedom.

Crucifying him for truth-telling journalism and whistleblowing revelations of government wrongdoing reflects the hallmark of totalitarian rule.

Censorship of what’s vital to know is likely prelude for much greater harshness to come.

We’re all Julian Assange. His fate is ours.

Free and open societies in the US and West hang in the balance.

Growing tyranny threatens their elimination altogether.

If digital democracy goes, what remains of fundamental freedoms will go with it.

When truth-telling and dissent are considered existential threats, free and open societies no longer exist.

That’s the slippery slope where the US and other Western states are heading.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/biden-regime-wants-julian-assange-crucified-truth-telling/5736997