The Reality of Immortality amongst you

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

As the title suggests, the subject matter I have to disclose is “immortality” believe it or not this is true,

There are people walking around in this world that are centuries old, thing is they are a lot more common than you could possibly imagine, there is a very real chance you have passed one on the street, or even met one, they can look as young as a twenty something, or be in their seventies plus, most look around forty or fifties, the middle age look is the most common, many of them are good people, some less so, and some are bad (one in particular I will mention later who I will throw under the bus) but it’s become a corrupted system,

They are all psychic to a high degree, (talents vary, but all are telepathic) some will even question you psychically while they are talking to you, (You wouldn’t normally detect it, it goes to your subconscious, you reply unknowingly)

If you find one immortal married you will find two,
Their children are mortals though,

They do the old spy trick of assuming a dead person’s identity, and sometimes move to other countries, when they get “to old” for their current identity, They have people placed within “registration office’s” throughout the world (remember these people are highly psychic not only communicating with themselves but they can also question humans (and receive the reply) without the person knowing it, there are no secrets they can;t get from you) they have a system that works and is very very stable,

A mortal trying to find one would find it tricky, (remote viewing? good luck with that, it’s doable but not directly, your best hope if you have E.T contact, ask them about it, they all know, they may try to be evasive, but most will reply truthfully if pushed,)

Remember in the Bible all those people that lived for centuries or longer?
That was real, not an exaggeration or tales corrupted via Chinese whispers in the passing of the stories down the years, Atlantis was also real, (it was a utopia in the beginning, that got undermined by hostile interests, it then degenerated in to a hell hole, due to their life span of the people of the time they had a stranglehold on the world, destroying good before it had a chance, hence the flood, (Noah was also real) after that ( I think there were two or three mass disasters that hit the “reset button” before Atlantis, but Atlantis would be the last time, instead lifespans got very short after that)

Humans can’t become immortal, it’s a soul thing,
There was a time I though everyone could, but I was later told not,

Not everyone that is born to humans is one,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)

[Mercedes]

Hi ShotAcrosstheBow, how did you come to know about this information? Or Who gave you this information?

[Peter UK]

Remember in the Bible all those people that lived for centuries or longer?
That was real, not an exaggeration or tales corrupted via Chinese whispers in the passing of the stories down the years, Atlantis was also real, (it was a utopia in the beginning, that got undermined by hostile interests, it then degenerated in to a hell hole, due to their life span of the people of the time they had a stranglehold on the world, destroying good before it had a chance, hence the flood, (Noah was also real) after that ( I think there were two or three mass disasters that hit the “reset button” before Atlantis, but Atlantis would be the last time, instead lifespans got very short after that)


Edgar Cayce reports that there were people in Atlantis of vast age, well beyond what we might think conceivable, the consequence of using crystal energy for rejuvenation purposes, it was well understood and there was an array of crystal centres and several temples devoted to the practice. This was all before the energy became subverted and used as a form of weaponised destruction.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hi ShotAcrosstheBow, how did you come to know about this information? Or Who gave you this information?

And there is a long story lol

I am one, but a noob,
When I first heard immortality was real I first rebelled, dismissed it, shunned it violently, it was so outside my paradigm,
But the preparation for this starts early, with psychic development, and education,
I went through life oblivious to this (my “education” was damaged due to child hood abuse at home, it hindered me later)
But I was later approached by immortals that assumed I was fully functioning lol, they do most of their chatting via telepath, I transmit well, but not great receiver, once they realised this they talked to me in private,

This information is firsthand,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Remember in the Bible all those people that lived for centuries or longer?
That was real, not an exaggeration or tales corrupted via Chinese whispers in the passing of the stories down the years, Atlantis was also real, (it was a utopia in the beginning, that got undermined by hostile interests, it then degenerated in to a hell hole, due to their life span of the people of the time they had a stranglehold on the world, destroying good before it had a chance, hence the flood, (Noah was also real) after that ( I think there were two or three mass disasters that hit the “reset button” before Atlantis, but Atlantis would be the last time, instead lifespans got very short after that)


Edgar Cayce reports that there were people in Atlantis of vast age, well beyond what we might think conceivable, the consequence of using crystal energy for rejuvenation purposes, it was well understood and there was an array of crystal centres and several temples devoted to the practice. This was all before the energy became subverted and used as a form of weaponised destruction.




That’s mostly true,

Atlantis was a fantastic place, at its peak they had technology in many was more advanced than today (that being said, the tech hidden from you today is the stuff of sci/fi

But the people of Atlantis lived natural for thousands of years, the tech was supplementary


Add note: Sorry, I’ve just been informed that I may be coming over as “superior” if so I apologise that was not my intent at all (I don’t even think in those terms)

Just see me as an “inside man” on this subject, I don’t know everything, but I do know enough to make a difference

[TomKat]

Shot, how old are you? What sex are you? How tall are you? What is your apparent age? Why are you telling?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

50’s
Male
5’5 ish
Use to look in my mid late twenties/early thirties now look like I’m a hundred lol stress

Reasons are two fold,
1. To build up pressure on a corrupt and controlling part of the hierarchy
2. To inform the public, (these people are meant to do good, but have been subverted, it’s extensive,) they can’t function without secrecy, and their numbers would shrink without that secrecy to hide them, (best place to find them are “birth death and marriages registration office’s” or other governmental departments, lots in governmental jobs)

[Strat]

I don't mean to nitpick but you don't seem to be disclosing immortality so much as folks who live a long time and are psychic? Immortality would suggest they live forever.

What do these folks do?

[The Moss Trooper]

Hi Shot.

Nice to 'read' you, you've piqued my interest a little, and because of that, I must ask a question of you.

Before my question (s), I'll state my intention, up front. My question (s), and your subsequent answer (s) will then determine the level of my investment, if any, of My energy......... But of course, you will know this, already. Oh, and no need to apologise about coming across as 'superior'....... Confidence and superiority can sometimes be close bed-fellows.

What can you say about the Eight Immortals and the Number Severn?


Kindest regards.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don't mean to nitpick but you don't seem to be disclosing immortality so much as folks who live a long time and are psychic? Immortality would suggest they live forever.

What do these folks do?

Yeah, most only live a few hundred years then leave (they get tired)
And they are not indestructible, so yes you could say it’s a misnomer

But they use the term “immortal” you can more or less stay as long as you want,

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)

Please feel free to nitpick, I welcome it,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hi Shot.

Nice to 'read' you, you've piqued my interest a little, and because of that, I must ask a question of you.

Before my question (s), I'll state my intention, up front. My question (s), and your subsequent answer (s) will then determine the level of my investment, if any, of My energy......... But of course, you will know this, already. Oh, and no need to apologise about coming across as 'superior'....... Confidence and superiority can sometimes be close bed-fellows.

What can you say about the Eight Immortals and the Number Severn?


Kindest regards.

Are you talking about the Chinese immortals?
That’s a little esoteric for me, but I can tell you now there are a ton more than eight lol,
It’s not as mystical as you think,

The number 7,
I studied numerology for 7 years, but I’m guessing you mean something else

(Btw I suck at telepathy,)

If you are looking for a number associated with immortality look to 11

[Strat]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)


Why do they do these things? Who do they work for? What's their goal?

[The Moss Trooper]

Hi Shot.

Nice to 'read' you, you've piqued my interest a little, and because of that, I must ask a question of you.

Before my question (s), I'll state my intention, up front. My question (s), and your subsequent answer (s) will then determine the level of my investment, if any, of My energy......... But of course, you will know this, already. Oh, and no need to apologise about coming across as 'superior'....... Confidence and superiority can sometimes be close bed-fellows.

What can you say about the Eight Immortals and the Number Severn?


Kindest regards.

Are you talking about the Chinese immortals?
That’s a little esoteric for me, but I can tell you now there are a ton more than eight lol,
It’s not as mystical as you think,

The number 7,
I studied numerology for 7 years, but I’m guessing you mean something else

(Btw I suck at telepathy,)

If you are looking for a number associated with immortality look to 11


Thanks for your time man.

Good luck on your journey traveller.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I made the decision to live forever when I was a teenager. Then I realized I did not want to live forever in this false world.

So I decided to live a healthy life and die in my sleep. I hope that works out for me.

I do believe there are those that live a very long time. I wanted to show people that to live forever was a possibility. It is the reason I wanted to live forever. Myself, I have other things to do than worry about this body - it is not me, although it has served me well enough and I am grateful.

So here's to health and long life!

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)


Why do they do these things? Who do they work for? What's their goal?

They are meant to help the world, (remember these people are highly psychic, they can read your mind, ask you questions, and you wouldn’t know it was happening if you were human, knowledge is power, and they can manipulate you if they want, remove or plant an idea, you would think was your own)

They answer to people on a higher level, (dimension/ vibration etc) and they in turn answer to people on a higher level, and so on, but things are not as squeaky clean as you would think,

The people on the ground mostly don’t have an agenda, there are many good people, just some bad ones in the wrong places,
By posting this I’m creating a sh!t storm, that will draw attention from outside the very controlled group, (as in “What the F—k is going on here!”) by doing this getting the right people (higher ups) to see what’s going on,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hi Shot.

Nice to 'read' you, you've piqued my interest a little, and because of that, I must ask a question of you.

Before my question (s), I'll state my intention, up front. My question (s), and your subsequent answer (s) will then determine the level of my investment, if any, of My energy......... But of course, you will know this, already. Oh, and no need to apologise about coming across as 'superior'....... Confidence and superiority can sometimes be close bed-fellows.

What can you say about the Eight Immortals and the Number Severn?


Kindest regards.

Are you talking about the Chinese immortals?
That’s a little esoteric for me, but I can tell you now there are a ton more than eight lol,
It’s not as mystical as you think,

The number 7,
I studied numerology for 7 years, but I’m guessing you mean something else

(Btw I suck at telepathy,)

If you are looking for a number associated with immortality look to 11


Thanks for your time man.

Good luck on your journey traveller.

Real immortality is not about studying the occult or esoteric, it’s not as complex as made out to be in the east,
It’s more about spirituality (not always religious) and energy,

In all the people I have met, not one is a “guru” their values are different, some are wiser, many are not, some are kind, some are not,

Don’t get thrown by the stereotype of what you think they should look like, you would never spot one in a crowd

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I made the decision to live forever when I was a teenager. Then I realized I did not want to live forever in this false world.

So I decided to live a healthy life and die in my sleep. I hope that works out for me.

I do believe there are those that live a very long time. I wanted to show people that to live forever was a possibility. It is the reason I wanted to live forever. Myself, I have other things to do than worry about this body - it is not me, although it has served me well enough and I am grateful.

So here's to health and long life!

Well, you can’t get immortality if you fear death,

I use to believe anyone if they applied themselves could achieve immortality, and in my naivety I tried to help some people (this was just after my dad died) I was met with jealousy, anger, hate etc, I didn’t see that coming, painful experience,

I was later told humans can’t get this,

Noob :(

[Mike]

Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)

where do you get your amphetamines?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)

where do you get your amphetamines?

It’s a natural high baby

[Jad]

Hello SAB for short. So you said that you’re a noob immortal yourself and that you had some abuse as a child. Does this mean this is your first incarnation on earth in your current body ? Did you meet any other immortals in person? Does the government know about them? If yes are they monitored? ( technically everyone is). Do they ask for blood or DNA samples from you? What’s your plan with your newfound immortality?

[enfoldedblue]

Hi, I'm curious...if you have only been in this body for 50 years, how can you be sure that you are immortal?

[snoman]

would you care to speed up the 'sh*tstorm' and shed the generalized talk in favour of dropping a more revealing piece of information?
sharing the paradigm threatens no ill-behaved Germain.
thanks... smile.

[RogeRio]

Real immortality is not about studying the occult or esoteric, it’s not as complex as made out to be in the east,
It’s more about spirituality (not always religious) and energy,


I think that's not exactly immortality, but extend vitallity through unethical ways, taking vitallity (energy) from others living beings unaware about this transfer of vital energy.

I agree that the public knowledge about these Energivore-Beings " their numbers would shrink without that secrecy to hide them "

The process it's not simple, because each (parasite) as one individual, can elaborate various forms to taken the energies, from various sources of living beings.

But the real immortal beings behind these whom live here for centuries, are the Black Magicians (an esoteric name) that sustain their (immortal) life on a specific layer of astral planes, so that they never need to leave this "intermediary place" for everyone. They need energy to sustain that place, so they take it from others to stay there.

those who come to live here for centuries are directly or indirectly subordinate to Black Wizards, and may have reincarnated to compose themselves or to harvest energies that sustain the Black Wizards' existential complex.

the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

[TomKat]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)


Why do they do these things? Who do they work for? What's their goal?

They are meant to help the world, (remember these people are highly psychic, they can read your mind, ask you questions, and you wouldn’t know it was happening if you were human, knowledge is power, and they can manipulate you if they want, remove or plant an idea, you would think was your own)

They answer to people on a higher level, (dimension/ vibration etc) and they in turn answer to people on a higher level, and so on, but things are not as squeaky clean as you would think,

The people on the ground mostly don’t have an agenda, there are many good people, just some bad ones in the wrong places,
By posting this I’m creating a sh!t storm, that will draw attention from outside the very controlled group, (as in “What the F—k is going on here!”) by doing this getting the right people (higher ups) to see what’s going on,

Shot, why do you believe this? Did you read this somewhere? You already admitted you look your age, so it's not about personal experience. Are you trying to elicit agreement for this hoped for reality?

There was a guy called Ben Abba who started to write a book about a supposed immortal, but changed his mind about doing so after he sold a few treatments on Amazon.

[TomKat]

the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

[RogeRio]

I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

the (active) agent usually is also unaware, but he can be controled by a hidden Chief, as to say, a Mega-Complex of Energy Suckers.

you are right, because someway they obtained consent to have access (being invited), what they do very well using seduction, persuasion and concealment

energy is the money (prime matter) of the cosmos-universe, and vital energy if not the gold is the precious stones.

--edit--

I'm not sure if it fits on "immortality" approach, but the phenomenon called by Walk-Ins, whose change the physical body can be seen as an alternative

[Eva2]

What's a "noob"?

[Bill Ryan]

I'm not going to say anything about ShotAcrosstheBow's posts. But what I will say is that (in my opinion) it may well be the case that many people wishing for physical immortality feel afraid of death, and then starting over in a new body.

Some of the motivation for all that may be that they may somehow not feel 100% fully certain that they're an immortal spiritual being anyway. Hence the anxiety about body death. (An experienced regression therapist will soon fix all that!)

It's rather like always wanting to be in the same house, or driving the same car, or always wearing the same clothes. Why not renew everything periodically? That makes our eternal existence way more interesting.

For reference, by the way: (Many reading this may already know, of course)

Here's Li Ching-Yuen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen), who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Li_chingYuen.jpeg/330px-Li_chingYuen.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMQmgT67UA

[RogeRio]

Here's Li Ching-Yuen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen), who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.

interesting, that man seems belong to Li bloodline family (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/li.htm).

David Rockefeller visits friend Li Chiang
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/images/li_1.gif

[Ernie Nemeth]

What is a body but a state of homeostasis? Yet a body is not a state at all but a process.

What makes a process halt? It is when the state resists change.

If the process is life, the state is death.

But we call the state ourselves and consider it inviolate. While the process of life just happens.

Reverse this thinking to achieve immortality.

[onawah]

For more info about energy vampires, see the threads about Narcissim.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97293-20-Basic-Tactics-Used-By-Narcissists-Sociopaths-And-Psychopaths-To-manipulate-And-Silence-A-Prey&highlight=narcissism
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75206-How-To-Recognize-An-Energy-Vampire-and-What-To-Do-About-It&p=879908&viewfull=1#post879908


the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

As I understand it, higher dimensional ET races who incarnated on Earth long ago lived very long lifetimes. After the Fall of Atlantis, when Earthlings were very vulnerable, the lower dimensional ETs and EDs invaded and altered Earthling DNA to make it weaker and the Earth races less long-lived; what scientists see now as features in "Junk DNA" that seem to have no purpose.

[Justjane]

the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

This isn’t true at all TomKat. The whole extrovert/introvert thing refers to personality types, not energy types. I know that the extrovert/introvert thing references how we recharge and I can see how people who are in tune can begin to imagine that extroverts are leaching off everyone else but that’s not actually how it works at all. What it’s really referring is how and where we feel safe, because feeling safe is what affects our energy levels more than anything else. Introverts feel safest on their own or with minimal company and often at home, extroverts feel safer with other people and often in public. Introverts and extroverts both have equal propensity to be vampires.

[Justjane]

I made the decision to live forever when I was a teenager. Then I realized I did not want to live forever in this false world.

So I decided to live a healthy life and die in my sleep. I hope that works out for me.

I do believe there are those that live a very long time. I wanted to show people that to live forever was a possibility. It is the reason I wanted to live forever. Myself, I have other things to do than worry about this body - it is not me, although it has served me well enough and I am grateful.

So here's to health and long life!

Well, you can’t get immortality if you fear death,

I use to believe anyone if they applied themselves could achieve immortality, and in my naivety I tried to help some people (this was just after my dad died) I was met with jealousy, anger, hate etc, I didn’t see that coming, painful experience,

I was later told humans can’t get this,

Noob :(

Hey dude,

Humans actually come with an immortality gene so I’m confused as to why you would think that humans can’t be immortal. If you’re not human, then what are you?

Also, you mentioned in an earlier comment that humans can’t be immortal because, soul, but we live in a complex universe which comprises both materiality and the energetic plane. To be alive, to incarnate, means to have both a physical and an energetic form, the human soul would be that energetic form. Our energy determines our health, it would seem to me that it would have the biggest impact on our life span, and as others have mentioned there are dark arts which could potentially extend a persons life span by siphoning the energy of another. Trying to understand your reasoning because what you’re saying here doesn’t make a lot of sense sorry.

[chris_walker]

Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)
Here are my reasonable questions. What happens when these immortals are maimed, crippled or disfigured in any way? Do they live their eternal lives with missing limbs, on wheelchairs, in nursing homes etc? What happens if they are involved in mishaps that cause mortals instant death like traffic accidents, plane crashes, shot to head/heart etc? Because statistically, the longer you live, the more likely you will have a mishap as mentioned above.

[Ratszinger]

The eternal you behind the eyes is not the ego you ID with now and that goes for all of us. The eternal you is above all the thought and precedes the thought of anything as it is the ultimate controller dictating the experience and happenings in each individual experience. We are multidimensional beings and we have multidimensional experiences with many bodies, many facets and many experiences processed not just individually through each experience but on the whole from the experiential effects of the trip on each. While you are you now you are also you in other experiences happening not in a past present future but all at the same time right now, which is all there is. So effectively it's all happening now.

You experience all of this and I experience all of this in a multitude of body experiences all present. From the perspective of the orchestra conductor sitting above time and thought looking at the experience losing a body to death is probably not really any big deal as it's replaced for a new experience nearly as soon as it dies and the multidimensional being is having yet another full array of experiences of varying life forms, sexes and not necessarily all earth.

[mountain_jim]

Not to derail thread, but this discussion reminds me of my favorite Vampire-related movie (and Tilda Swinton is perfect for this role):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Lovers_Left_Alive



Only Lovers Left Alive

Married for centuries and now living half a world apart, two vampires wake as the sun goes down. Adam sits holding a lute, in his cluttered Detroit Victorian, as Eve wakes up in her bedroom in Tangier, surrounded by books. Rather than feeding on humans directly, they are dependent on local suppliers of the "good stuff," for fear of blood contaminated by the 21st century environment. Adam, still a famous musician, also fears exposure, visiting a local blood bank in the dead of night in disguise as "Dr. Faust", bribing "Dr. Watson" for his coveted O negative. Eve relies on their old friend, the author Christopher Marlowe, who faked his death in 1593 and now lives under the protection of a protégé.

Despite having influenced the careers of countless famous musicians and scientists, Adam has become withdrawn and suicidal. His desire to reconnect through his music is at odds with the danger of recognition as well as his contempt for the corrupt and foolish humans he refers to as 'zombies'. He spends his days recording his compositions on outdated studio equipment and lamenting the state of the modern world, whilst collecting vintage instruments. He pays Ian, a naive young music fan, to procure vintage guitars and other assorted curiosities, including a custom-made wooden bullet with a brass casing he thinks of using to kill himself.

Having acquired much scientific knowledge over the years, Adam has built contraptions to power his home and a vintage sports car with technology originally pioneered by Nikola Tesla. His reclusive nature adds to his mystique as a musician and composer; he is upset when some intrepid fans turn up on his doorstep. Ian promises to discreetly spread rumours about Adam living elsewhere to draw them away.

...

[Agape]

I’d like to post you with short sci-fi story by Andy Weir called The Egg 🥚 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Egg_(2009_short_story)), published in 2009 it won several literary prizes( despite being so short).
It’s not really a sci-fi story more than philosophical essay and above all, it is the closest to “truth” as one can go on the topic.
It’s the way we are, the way I observed this multiverse of human existence during years of my Kalachakra retreat.
It’s “almost that way” with some excuses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI


So yes you are immortal. Take it or leave it :) What path/vector and trajectory do you choose to evolve your consciousness is entirely upon you.

But since you’ve got this far already ...


Give us blessing please


🙏

[Ernie Nemeth]

My mind these days, having rejected almost all teachings as false, has begun contemplating whether the whole 'life' thing is even life. Every story told about why we are here seems to miss the point. I would not lobotomize my child and send them to the sandbox to learn about themselves. I would not allow lies and disinformation to saturate my child's mind, already confused by the lobotomy, either. And I certainly would not expect my child to learn anything, advance in any way, or take them serious about anything, since their mind is already compromised.

The only thing that makes any sense is that we have been hijacked into this place without our knowledge. We are playing someone else's game where we do not even rate the worth of a single solitary pawn, if it were a game of chess.

The only possible purpose we serve here is to find our way out and never come back.

To identify with a body means that our fundamental position will always be fraught with danger and must be addressed by fear and violence. This is not the way to access higher levels of self and serves only to push the majority of people into reaction-based responses - locking them into this world with no chance of escape.

The reason we can live forever here is because any condition that results in the identification with a body is an acceptable trade-off for our masters. Death is better, of course, because those that come back come back with no memory, no accumulated knowledge, and no history - so they are far less of a threat. A being that lives forever might just figure things out and free the rest of us. Of course, the most likely scenario is that an immortal would be so overwhelmingly concerned about their body that they would miss the obvious and blatant truth of their experience.

[Mark Tuahmen]

ShotACrosstheBow, have you heard of the story of John of the Cross being an immortal. I have now heard this story independently over 30 years from 3 different sources. The last one recently from Mr Garlick of Australia. Forgive me if I do not post this correctly. This story aligns very well with the other two versions that I heard - first in Greece and then in Russia. I do not know how he would know this story unless he knew someone or was telling the truth.
https://etandi.wordpress.com/2020/03/16/dm14-the-death-of-jesus-and-johns-very-long-life/

[Agape]

I don’t know what the Pope (Francis) said in the empty square today yet ...but mulling to myself also

This human life is like a walk on a thin spider thread,
blade of grass, life of a firefly
this human life is like a flame that was once lit, it comes and goes but where does it go depends on you and I .

So save your Soul , protect the Spirit
and you will save many souls from the clutches of sufferings


Comes from deeper reflections on the current situation and since we all believe in resurrection after Passover whatever it means this year


🥑

[Floating]

I remember reading about Ben Abba. He said he heard of a guy in the Middle East - Mediterranean Sea area - that was over 200 years old. He was going to go look for him, talk to him, and let us know all about what he discovered. THEN Ben disappeared. I assumed he found some of his answers. I assumed he didn't want to share what they were. Diet, and Mind Set are the most important. From what I have read around this issue.

Would love to hear more from this person....

[TomKat]

I remember reading about Ben Abba. He said he heard of a guy in the Middle East - Mediterranean Sea area - that was over 200 years old. He was going to go look for him, talk to him, and let us know all about what he discovered. THEN Ben disappeared. I assumed he found some of his answers. I assumed he didn't want to share what they were. Diet, and Mind Set are the most important. From what I have read around this issue.

Would love to hear more from this person....

I suspect Ben was setting up a hoax and lost his courage. It can make money but, as they say, "what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive." If so, I think he was wise to give it up.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hello SAB for short. So you said that you’re a noob immortal yourself and that you had some abuse as a child. Does this mean this is your first incarnation on earth in your current body ? Did you meet any other immortals in person? Does the government know about them? If yes are they monitored? ( technically everyone is). Do they ask for blood or DNA samples from you? What’s your plan with your newfound immortality?

Current body yes, but I’ve reincarnated many times, just like everyone else,
Yes, met many immortals, they are the ones that found me.
No, the government doesn’t have a clue, many immortals work within government or related (employed by the government) so no monitoring, they pass for human/mortal,
No blood or dna, it’s not a “physical” based thing, it’s spiritual and energy,

Plans are fluid, certain people are not doing what they should be doing, hence why I’m here,
If not for this, you would never no I was here,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hi, I'm curious...if you have only been in this body for 50 years, how can you be sure that you are immortal?

I stopped ageing in my twenties, people where shocked at how old I was, (didn’t feel the need to hide it, I didn’t know what was happening at the time)
I got pulled aside by immortals more than once to have a chat,

That’s when I knew it was real,

Btw, you don’t just stay at one age, you can look older, then rewind the clock to be younger again, you don’t always look the same age, you can choose,
Many choose to look middle aged, but you can look younger when you get a new identity,

Age is not a fixed thing if you are immortal

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

would you care to speed up the 'sh*tstorm' and shed the generalized talk in favour of dropping a more revealing piece of information?
sharing the paradigm threatens no ill-behaved Germain.
thanks... smile.

I’m trying to do a slow drip here, I don’t want to post, but this is the best way to draw attention and get something done about some very wrong, and bad things,

If you want the juicy answers ask the juicy question,

Something I will keep secret, mostly to protect good people,
But I will do my best to answer any question truthfully

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Real immortality is not about studying the occult or esoteric, it’s not as complex as made out to be in the east,
It’s more about spirituality (not always religious) and energy,


I think that's not exactly immortality, but extend vitallity through unethical ways, taking vitallity (energy) from others living beings unaware about this transfer of vital energy.

I agree that the public knowledge about these Energivore-Beings " their numbers would shrink without that secrecy to hide them "

The process it's not simple, because each (parasite) as one individual, can elaborate various forms to taken the energies, from various sources of living beings.

But the real immortal beings behind these whom live here for centuries, are the Black Magicians (an esoteric name) that sustain their (immortal) life on a specific layer of astral planes, so that they never need to leave this "intermediary place" for everyone. They need energy to sustain that place, so they take it from others to stay there.

those who come to live here for centuries are directly or indirectly subordinate to Black Wizards, and may have reincarnated to compose themselves or to harvest energies that sustain the Black Wizards' existential complex.

the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.


Psychic vampire are real, they are not immortal, just on very borrowed time

But you are wrong about the rest,

True immortality is not parasitic
The energy I’m talking about is spiritual, universal, it’s as free as air

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)


Why do they do these things? Who do they work for? What's their goal?

They are meant to help the world, (remember these people are highly psychic, they can read your mind, ask you questions, and you wouldn’t know it was happening if you were human, knowledge is power, and they can manipulate you if they want, remove or plant an idea, you would think was your own)

They answer to people on a higher level, (dimension/ vibration etc) and they in turn answer to people on a higher level, and so on, but things are not as squeaky clean as you would think,

The people on the ground mostly don’t have an agenda, there are many good people, just some bad ones in the wrong places,
By posting this I’m creating a sh!t storm, that will draw attention from outside the very controlled group, (as in “What the F—k is going on here!”) by doing this getting the right people (higher ups) to see what’s going on,

Shot, why do you believe this? Did you read this somewhere? You already admitted you look your age, so it's not about personal experience. Are you trying to elicit agreement for this hoped for reality?

There was a guy called Ben Abba who started to write a book about a supposed immortal, but changed his mind about doing so after he sold a few treatments on Amazon.

This is reality, personal experience, not lala make believe,
My age is relative, see above posts,

Not trying to sell books
Not trying to sell anything
Just putting the information out there, to put pressure on certain people to act, (part of the system is very corrupt requests fall on deaf ears, trying to draw attention from outside that group,)

Remember the time from my first post till today?
They tried t resolve the situation, that failed,

(If they approach me I will need to stop posting immediately, that’s part of the deal)

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the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

Immortality is not about feeding on anyone else, far from it,

One way to spot an immortal is their crown chakra, it’s like a spot light straight up,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

True immortality is not “occult” based at all,
We don’t feed on anybody, it’s spiritual energy, it’s as free as air, see my above post,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

the (active) agent usually is also unaware, but he can be controled by a hidden Chief, as to say, a Mega-Complex of Energy Suckers.

you are right, because someway they obtained consent to have access (being invited), what they do very well using seduction, persuasion and concealment

energy is the money (prime matter) of the cosmos-universe, and vital energy if not the gold is the precious stones.

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I'm not sure if it fits on "immortality" approach, but the phenomenon called by Walk-Ins, whose change the physical body can be seen as an alternative

Energy vampires don’t need your consent, just your sympathy to drain you,

No walk ins are something different..

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

What's a "noob"?

A beginner, someone “New” to the subject

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I'm not going to say anything about ShotAcrosstheBow's posts. But what I will say is that (in my opinion) it may well be the case that many people wishing for physical immortality feel afraid of death, and then starting over in a new body.

Some of the motivation for all that may be that they may somehow not feel 100% fully certain that they're an immortal spiritual being anyway. Hence the anxiety about body death. (An experienced regression therapist will soon fix all that!)

It's rather like always wanting to be in the same house, or driving the same car, or always wearing the same clothes. Why not renew everything periodically? That makes our eternal existence way more interesting.

For reference, by the way: (Many reading this may already know, of course)

Here's Li Ching-Yuen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen), who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Li_chingYuen.jpeg/330px-Li_chingYuen.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMQmgT67UA

That’s exactly the opposite actually,
You can’t be immortal if you fear death (in fact I spent a large part of my early years being suicidal, Starting at the age of about three)

You have a body
You have a soul
You have a spirit

Your body is as different to your soul, as your soul is to your spirit,

Spirit is eternal, indestructible
You soul can be destroyed (as is the case that most go to hell)

What you see as your personality, you, is your soul,

Reincarnation is real, your memories are stored in your soul, not you mind,
You brain is just a transceiver, a way for your soul to connect to your body,

If I leave this body for good, it will be like taking off clothes, no more, my body is a vehicle not my identity,
I told you in a previous post one of the things that is different with immortals is their value system, they are spiritually based,

When I look around I don’t see, judge or value the physical world like you do, spirit first,

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Here's Li Ching-Yuen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen), who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.

interesting, that man seems belong to Li bloodline family (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/li.htm).

David Rockefeller visits friend Li Chiang
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/images/li_1.gif

Wanna talk about black magicians and vampires?
Rockefeller and related

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

For more info about energy vampires, see the threads about Narcissim.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97293-20-Basic-Tactics-Used-By-Narcissists-Sociopaths-And-Psychopaths-To-manipulate-And-Silence-A-Prey&highlight=narcissism
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75206-How-To-Recognize-An-Energy-Vampire-and-What-To-Do-About-It&p=879908&viewfull=1#post879908


the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

As I understand it, higher dimensional ET races who incarnated on Earth long ago lived very long lifetimes. After the Fall of Atlantis, when Earthlings were very vulnerable, the lower dimensional ETs and EDs invaded and altered Earthling DNA to make it weaker and the Earth races less long-lived; what scientists see now as features in "Junk DNA" that seem to have no purpose.

No, Atlantis was brought down very slowly, evil E.T’s infiltrated and perverted it,
After the fall (flood) one of many falls, they said never again, and stemmed human life to decades instead of millennia,
Their long life gave evil a strangle hold, good could not get a foot hold,

Again, stop thinking in terms of the physical it’s not about dna,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I made the decision to live forever when I was a teenager. Then I realized I did not want to live forever in this false world.

So I decided to live a healthy life and die in my sleep. I hope that works out for me.

I do believe there are those that live a very long time. I wanted to show people that to live forever was a possibility. It is the reason I wanted to live forever. Myself, I have other things to do than worry about this body - it is not me, although it has served me well enough and I am grateful.

So here's to health and long life!

Well, you can’t get immortality if you fear death,

I use to believe anyone if they applied themselves could achieve immortality, and in my naivety I tried to help some people (this was just after my dad died) I was met with jealousy, anger, hate etc, I didn’t see that coming, painful experience,

I was later told humans can’t get this,

Noob :(

Hey dude,

Humans actually come with an immortality gene so I’m confused as to why you would think that humans can’t be immortal. If you’re not human, then what are you?

Also, you mentioned in an earlier comment that humans can’t be immortal because, soul, but we live in a complex universe which comprises both materiality and the energetic plane. To be alive, to incarnate, means to have both a physical and an energetic form, the human soul would be that energetic form. Our energy determines our health, it would seem to me that it would have the biggest impact on our life span, and as others have mentioned there are dark arts which could potentially extend a persons life span by siphoning the energy of another. Trying to understand your reasoning because what you’re saying here doesn’t make a lot of sense sorry.

Again, real immortality is not vampirism

Human use to be able to live for thousands of years (read the bible, it’s not a myth, nor exaggeration, but real)
That was changed after the flood, to stop the reason for the flood,

Sure at some point technology may become so advanced that you could extend human life,
But you could still fall down the stairs and break your neck, (have a fatal accident that would cut that short, immortals have a type of early warning system to circumvent that)

Stay focused on soul, energy, spirituality

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)
Here are my reasonable questions. What happens when these immortals are maimed, crippled or disfigured in any way? Do they live their eternal lives with missing limbs, on wheelchairs, in nursing homes etc? What happens if they are involved in mishaps that cause mortals instant death like traffic accidents, plane crashes, shot to head/heart etc? Because statistically, the longer you live, the more likely you will have a mishap as mentioned above.

Good question,
You can regenerate most damage (regrow teeth, nerves etc) but not large losses like a leg (well none that I’ve heard of)
As for accidents, etc they have an early warning system, they are often warned of the threat well before it happen, no immortals on the titanic lol

[edina]

When you mentioned the light coming out of an immortal's crown chakra (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347573&viewfull=1#post1347573), I am reminded of a couple of personal experiences.

One was with a shaman. There's a tube of light that runs the centerline of our body. I see it as our direct connection to source (energy, light, intelligence).

Oftentimes, I can sense the energy flowing through this tube. There's probably more to say about that?

When doing some work with this shaman she told me that my tube of light was bigger than any she had ever seen.
She described that most people's are about 2 inches in diameter. And that mine was was well over six inches.

Another time, a Native American Indian Medicine man once approached me and described how in a group meditation, he had opened his eyes and when he looked at me he saw the largest column of light extended up from my heart chakra that he had ever seen.

To me, these anecdotes point to potential for development.

I've often thought that there was a spiritual dna, not just a physical dna.

Can you speak to that?

And if you have any insight to the tube of light, I would appreciate that, too.

On the matter of your Shot Across The Bow to the immortals that you feel ought to be doing more?

How does this thread factor into that purpose?

And thank you answering people's questions.

Happy to see you made your way back here. :sun:

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

The eternal you behind the eyes is not the ego you ID with now and that goes for all of us. The eternal you is above all the thought and precedes the thought of anything as it is the ultimate controller dictating the experience and happenings in each individual experience. We are multidimensional beings and we have multidimensional experiences with many bodies, many facets and many experiences processed not just individually through each experience but on the whole from the experiential effects of the trip on each. While you are you now you are also you in other experiences happening not in a past present future but all at the same time right now, which is all there is. So effectively it's all happening now.

You experience all of this and I experience all of this in a multitude of body experiences all present. From the perspective of the orchestra conductor sitting above time and thought looking at the experience losing a body to death is probably not really any big deal as it's replaced for a new experience nearly as soon as it dies and the multidimensional being is having yet another full array of experiences of varying life forms, sexes and not necessarily all earth.

Yes, you soul and spirit exist in a timeless “place”
Your body, your physical being on this world is given a perspective of time so you can learn (like training wheels on a bike)

Time is relative, but doesn’t exist on higher levels

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

My mind these days, having rejected almost all teachings as false, has begun contemplating whether the whole 'life' thing is even life. Every story told about why we are here seems to miss the point. I would not lobotomize my child and send them to the sandbox to learn about themselves. I would not allow lies and disinformation to saturate my child's mind, already confused by the lobotomy, either. And I certainly would not expect my child to learn anything, advance in any way, or take them serious about anything, since their mind is already compromised.

The only thing that makes any sense is that we have been hijacked into this place without our knowledge. We are playing someone else's game where we do not even rate the worth of a single solitary pawn, if it were a game of chess.

The only possible purpose we serve here is to find our way out and never come back.

To identify with a body means that our fundamental position will always be fraught with danger and must be addressed by fear and violence. This is not the way to access higher levels of self and serves only to push the majority of people into reaction-based responses - locking them into this world with no chance of escape.

The reason we can live forever here is because any condition that results in the identification with a body is an acceptable trade-off for our masters. Death is better, of course, because those that come back come back with no memory, no accumulated knowledge, and no history - so they are far less of a threat. A being that lives forever might just figure things out and free the rest of us. Of course, the most likely scenario is that an immortal would be so overwhelmingly concerned about their body that they would miss the obvious and blatant truth of their experience.

I’ll try and help untangle that with what I know,

Before you are born (again) you are in “heaven” in a higher state of understanding (not necessarily smarter or wiser, but more capable of understanding the bigger picture)
You choose a life path, that will help you to learn what you need to,
This is made in agreement with people you would consider guilds etc,

You come back (floating in a sensory deprivation tank for months actually contributes to your lack of memory, but that’s a natural part of the process, bringing back your full memory would make life complex, you will still be affected by your past lives to different degrees, like likes and dislikes, phobias, skills and talent etc)

Sometimes that life path gets derailed (you choose your parents before you come down, and they choose you, it’s a mutual thing, and they are part of that life path contract)
Could be your parents didn’t do what they promised to do,
Could be you didn’t do what you promised to do
Could be your troubles are there as part of your life path,

Either way you need to learn from the experience

Ideally you learn everything you need to and never come back, But you can reincarnate indefinitely, as long as you don’t turn evil, that’s a trip to hell, and if your crimes are real bad you are toast, your soul will be destroyed, if your crimes are less you may get a single last chance (an angel will fly in to hell and grab you, but if you end up back in hell no more second chances)

Nothing is random, everything has a reason,

Immortality is not a burden outside of dodging humans finding out (new id’s, medical issues etc)
Which is a massive responsibility, more so in the age of information technology, (but hey, most would not believe you even if you told them, they will believe in little green men along time before they believe in immortality)
You can leave if you don’t like it, nobody forces to stay....ish lol

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

ShotACrosstheBow, have you heard of the story of John of the Cross being an immortal. I have now heard this story independently over 30 years from 3 different sources. The last one recently from Mr Garlick of Australia. Forgive me if I do not post this correctly. This story aligns very well with the other two versions that I heard - first in Greece and then in Russia. I do not know how he would know this story unless he knew someone or was telling the truth.
https://etandi.wordpress.com/2020/03/16/dm14-the-death-of-jesus-and-johns-very-long-life/

Nope, never heard of him, but I may check him out later,

But Count Saint Germain is legit, a real immortal, well was,
A quirky thing (it’s not really “quirky” it’s a technical thing to do with energy, but I’ve never needed to do it)
Is the thing about eating at the same time every single day, it’s a very important, I mean stress degrees of concern,
That is true, but it doesn’t apply to everyone, not sure why,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don’t know what the Pope (Francis) said in the empty square today yet ...but mulling to myself also

This human life is like a walk on a thin spider thread,
blade of grass, life of a firefly
this human life is like a flame that was once lit, it comes and goes but where does it go depends on you and I .

So save your Soul , protect the Spirit
and you will save many souls from the clutches of sufferings


Comes from deeper reflections on the current situation and since we all believe in resurrection after Passover whatever it means this year


🥑

I’m Catholic, it’s one of the things that define me, and I can tell you the pope and much of the ruling authority in the Vatican is not of God,
They have been infiltrated and subverted many centuries ago, (evil looks to control power, and the church was a hub of power)

The pope nor the Vatican does not speak for my religion


Your Spirit is indescribable, but your soul can be destroyed,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I remember reading about Ben Abba. He said he heard of a guy in the Middle East - Mediterranean Sea area - that was over 200 years old. He was going to go look for him, talk to him, and let us know all about what he discovered. THEN Ben disappeared. I assumed he found some of his answers. I assumed he didn't want to share what they were. Diet, and Mind Set are the most important. From what I have read around this issue.

Would love to hear more from this person....

I suspect Ben was setting up a hoax and lost his courage. It can make money but, as they say, "what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive." If so, I think he was wise to give it up.

I can’t talk about this, as I don’t know,
But that he dropped of the radar would be in fitting with what would happen,
Secrecy is important

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

When you mentioned the light coming out of an immortal's crown chakra (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347573&viewfull=1#post1347573), I am reminded of a couple of personal experiences.

One was with a shaman. There's a tube of light that runs the centerline of our body. I see it as our direct connection to source (energy, light, intelligence).

Oftentimes, I can sense the energy flowing through this tube. There's probably more to say about that?

When doing some work with this shaman she told me that my tube of light was bigger than any she had ever seen.
She described that most people's are about 2 inches in diameter. And that mine was was well over six inches.

Another time, a Native American Indian Medicine man once approached me and described how in a group meditation, he had opened his eyes and when he looked at me he saw the largest column of light extended up from my heart chakra that he had ever seen.

To me, these anecdotes point to potential for development.

I've often thought that there was a spiritual dna, not just a physical dna.

Can you speak to that?

And if you have any insight to the tube of light, I would appreciate that, too.

On the matter of your Shot Across The Bow to the immortals that you feel ought to be doing more?

How does this thread factor into that purpose?

And thank you answering people's questions.

Happy to see you made your way back here. :sun:

I’m only back because things fell through, if I disappear again it’s because they got involved in the right way,
(Like I said before, I don’t want to post/disclosure this, but its the only way to cause change)

If you have a developed crown you must be doing very well spiritually, don’t neglect it,
It’s more like a beam of light than a tube, if you pass your hand through the area it will feel cooler,
That with your heart chakra you sound like a good person,

You can effect those around you without speaking, (not talking about telepathy, but your energy field will effect others near you, its subtle, but if they stay around you long enough you will have a calming effect,)

You may be either an advanced human, or something else, (many with that sort of development are non human)

No such thing as spiritual dna, it has frequency, and harmonics but not the Lego like build blocks of amino acids

There is a line of energy that runs in a line throughout your body, connecting all your major chakra points, don’t force anything, if you over energise that line it’s not helpful,
Just keep doing what you’re doing, stay moral, stay spiritually, do you meditate?, learn to notice when it’s your energy and outside energy, meditate get quiet and listen,(feel) wait for someone to give you a knock on the door (get a book by Sonia Choquette, Ask your guides, she gives very good advice,)

[edina]

When you mentioned the light coming out of an immortal's crown chakra (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347573&viewfull=1#post1347573), I am reminded of a couple of personal experiences.

One was with a shaman. There's a tube of light that runs the centerline of our body. I see it as our direct connection to source (energy, light, intelligence).

Oftentimes, I can sense the energy flowing through this tube. There's probably more to say about that?

When doing some work with this shaman she told me that my tube of light was bigger than any she had ever seen.
She described that most people's are about 2 inches in diameter. And that mine was was well over six inches.

Another time, a Native American Indian Medicine man once approached me and described how in a group meditation, he had opened his eyes and when he looked at me he saw the largest column of light extended up from my heart chakra that he had ever seen.

To me, these anecdotes point to potential for development.

I've often thought that there was a spiritual dna, not just a physical dna.

Can you speak to that?

And if you have any insight to the tube of light, I would appreciate that, too.

On the matter of your Shot Across The Bow to the immortals that you feel ought to be doing more?

How does this thread factor into that purpose?

And thank you answering people's questions.

Happy to see you made your way back here. :sun:

I’m only back because things fell through, if I disappear again it’s because they got involved in the right way,
(Like I said before, I don’t want to post/disclosure this, but its the only way to cause change)

If you have a developed crown you must be doing very well spiritually, don’t neglect it,
It’s more like a beam of light than a tube, if you pass your hand through the area it will feel cooler,
That with your heart chakra you sound like a good person,

You can effect those around you without speaking, (not talking about telepathy, but your energy field will effect others near you, its subtle, but if they stay around you long enough you will have a calming effect,)

You may be either an advanced human, or something else, (many with that sort of development are non human)

No such thing as spiritual dna, it has frequency, and harmonics but not the Lego like build blocks of amino acids

There is a line of energy that runs in a line throughout your body, connecting all your major chakra points, don’t force anything, if you over energise that line it’s not helpful,
Just keep doing what you’re doing, stay moral, stay spiritually, do you meditate?, learn to notice when it’s your energy and outside energy, meditate get quiet and listen,(feel) wait for someone to give you a knock on the door (get a book by Sonia Choquette, Ask your guides, she gives very good advice,)

Well, then let's hope we don't see you again, and that the ones you speak of do the right thing. :heart:

I am told by many that I have a very calming affect on others. My favorite energetic state is serenity.

Thank you for the clarification on spiritual dna, what you describe makes sense.

I have been meditating since I was a child, and I've often heard knocks on the door. I have a course by Sonia, I'll revisit it.

Thanks again for your thoughtful responses here.

And Godspeed (grace) on your journey.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

When you mentioned the light coming out of an immortal's crown chakra (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347573&viewfull=1#post1347573), I am reminded of a couple of personal experiences.

One was with a shaman. There's a tube of light that runs the centerline of our body. I see it as our direct connection to source (energy, light, intelligence).

Oftentimes, I can sense the energy flowing through this tube. There's probably more to say about that?

When doing some work with this shaman she told me that my tube of light was bigger than any she had ever seen.
She described that most people's are about 2 inches in diameter. And that mine was was well over six inches.

Another time, a Native American Indian Medicine man once approached me and described how in a group meditation, he had opened his eyes and when he looked at me he saw the largest column of light extended up from my heart chakra that he had ever seen.

To me, these anecdotes point to potential for development.

I've often thought that there was a spiritual dna, not just a physical dna.

Can you speak to that?

And if you have any insight to the tube of light, I would appreciate that, too.

On the matter of your Shot Across The Bow to the immortals that you feel ought to be doing more?

How does this thread factor into that purpose?

And thank you answering people's questions.

Happy to see you made your way back here. :sun:

I’m only back because things fell through, if I disappear again it’s because they got involved in the right way,
(Like I said before, I don’t want to post/disclosure this, but its the only way to cause change)

If you have a developed crown you must be doing very well spiritually, don’t neglect it,
It’s more like a beam of light than a tube, if you pass your hand through the area it will feel cooler,
That with your heart chakra you sound like a good person,

You can effect those around you without speaking, (not talking about telepathy, but your energy field will effect others near you, its subtle, but if they stay around you long enough you will have a calming effect,)

You may be either an advanced human, or something else, (many with that sort of development are non human)

No such thing as spiritual dna, it has frequency, and harmonics but not the Lego like build blocks of amino acids

There is a line of energy that runs in a line throughout your body, connecting all your major chakra points, don’t force anything, if you over energise that line it’s not helpful,
Just keep doing what you’re doing, stay moral, stay spiritually, do you meditate?, learn to notice when it’s your energy and outside energy, meditate get quiet and listen,(feel) wait for someone to give you a knock on the door (get a book by Sonia Choquette, Ask your guides, she gives very good advice,)

Well, then let's hope we don't see you again, and that the ones you speak of do the right thing. :heart:

I am told by many that I have a very calming affect on others. My favorite energetic state is serenity.

Thank you for the clarification on spiritual dna, what you describe makes sense.

I have been meditating since I was a child, and I've often heard knocks on the door. I have a course by Sonia, I'll revisit it.

Thanks again for your thoughtful responses here.

And Godspeed (grace) on your journey.

Thanks

That particular book is especially good in certain ways you would find very useful, (trust me, you do this right, you won’t need to ask me anything)
(Strangely I never bought that book, I was given a copy to “check out”, I was very happy to give it the thumbs up, she knows what’s she’s talking about, a valid book on that subject)

As for the energy issue, I have heard of people who over drew on their Kundalini, and hurt themselves (sure you can get an energy high doing so, but if the rest of your body is not ready it can do more harm than good, don’t force anything,)

As for not returning, I hope I don’t come across as mercenary, posting here has a practical function, (which I’m reluctant, I’m not a judas, this is the only way to force change, reason, logic, wisdom even pleas fall on deaf ears, I’ve learnt a lot of things that are wrong that need to change,)

I’m hopping that we can both benefit from me posting here, if nothing else it will be a reference point,
Disbelief is their primary cover,

[Agape]

I don’t know what the Pope (Francis) said in the empty square today yet ...but mulling to myself also

This human life is like a walk on a thin spider thread,
blade of grass, life of a firefly
this human life is like a flame that was once lit, it comes and goes but where does it go depends on you and I .

So save your Soul , protect the Spirit
and you will save many souls from the clutches of sufferings


Comes from deeper reflections on the current situation and since we all believe in resurrection after Passover whatever it means this year


🥑

I’m Catholic, it’s one of the things that define me, and I can tell you the pope and much of the ruling authority in the Vatican is not of God,
They have been infiltrated and subverted many centuries ago, (evil looks to control power, and the church was a hub of power)

The pope nor the Vatican does not speak for my religion

Your Spirit is indescribable, but your soul can be destroyed,


But in fact, we all are part of each other’s faith, religions and myths and yes they all start from within us,
from the religion of our heart
and between us that’s when we find our relationship to the big world
and the Creator of the Universe

We have been here for millions of years right from the twilight of the dawn ..of humanity. We have seen the Gods of the Night and God of the Day. The Gods of Elements and God Serpent of Science.
There’s been much confusion around religions on earth at all times


From my universal perspective , we all are part of the great, greatest cosmic intelligence and this is but one of worlds we got stranded in ,
for a bit

before we continue on our way Home, our home in the Stars *of Andromeda* or elsewhere since I’m not sure there is human name and number for about *everything*
since the Space is vast

🙏

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don’t know what the Pope (Francis) said in the empty square today yet ...but mulling to myself also

This human life is like a walk on a thin spider thread,
blade of grass, life of a firefly
this human life is like a flame that was once lit, it comes and goes but where does it go depends on you and I .

So save your Soul , protect the Spirit
and you will save many souls from the clutches of sufferings


Comes from deeper reflections on the current situation and since we all believe in resurrection after Passover whatever it means this year


🥑

I’m Catholic, it’s one of the things that define me, and I can tell you the pope and much of the ruling authority in the Vatican is not of God,
They have been infiltrated and subverted many centuries ago, (evil looks to control power, and the church was a hub of power)

The pope nor the Vatican does not speak for my religion

Your Spirit is indescribable, but your soul can be destroyed,


But in fact, we all are part of each other’s faith, religions and myths and yes they all start from within us,
from the religion of our heart
and between us that’s when we find our relationship to the big world
and the Creator of the Universe

We have been here for millions of years right from the twilight of the dawn ..of humanity. We have seen the Gods of the Night and God of the Day. The Gods of Elements and God Serpent of Science.
There’s been much confusion around religions on earth at all times


From my universal perspective , we all are part of the great, greatest cosmic intelligence and this is but one of worlds we got stranded in ,
for a bit

before we continue on our way Home, our home in the Stars *of Andromeda* or elsewhere since I’m not sure there is human name and number for about *everything*
since the Space is vast

🙏

Many religions
Many truths

One God

[Agape]

Yes we all are on the Way back to Galactic Centre ..inevitably so ..


🦢🦢🦢

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Yes we all are on the Way back to Galactic Centre ..inevitably so ..


🦢🦢🦢

Well, it’s not the galactic centre, it’s a higher level,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don’t know how long I’m going to be here

If you have questions, ask me now

[Unicorn]

Hello ShotAcrosstheBow, and thanks for your answering our questions.

Can I ask you what do you think about yoga?

Is there any spiritual practice do you really encourage us to do (apart from mediation, which I also practice).

Thanks in advance for your kind answer

[Unicorn]

ShotAcrosstheBow, you say that what is different with immortals is their value system, that they are spiritually based. So, how come some of them are doing wrong things? (and in that case, is not their immortality affected and reversed?)

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hello ShotAcrosstheBow, and thanks for your answering our questions.

Can I ask you what do you think about yoga?

Is there any spiritual practice do you really encourage us to do (apart from mediation, which I also practice).

Thanks in advance for your kind answer

Most people go through life not know what is themselves and what is from outside of themselves,
People spend their day surrounded by distractions, TV, Music, talking to people, (or the worst Social media) they constantly look for things to distract themselves,

All animals and plants, all living things are psychic to one degree or other, most human don’t sense it because it’s like a weak muscle, that hardly gets used, AND you are surrounded by so much noise/distractions that you can’t consciously hear it (subconsciously you are more receptive)

Learn to go quiet, meditation is a good practice for this, but most people are so addicted to the distraction they find it hard/boring to stick to it long enough to be useful,

This is the most helpful advice I can give you, personally the most useful,
Once you go quiet, you will start to notice what is you, and what is outside of you, (not easy sometimes)

There are “people” just waiting to talk to you, they always have but you only heard them subconsciously, and you thought it was a “hunch” or other feeling, etc

Some people find it hard to hear or feel them, here’s a useful trick, ask them to wiggle your toes, right foot mean yes, left foot mean no, (it’s a useful trick for beginners, can also be useful if you can’t clear your mind easily (if you are stressed or in pain etc))

Doing this will help you to develop your psychic abilities and become aware of energy,
Your mind directs energy,

Stay moral, (it’s not just the right thing to do, it’s spiritually hygienic)
Value your soul, (most humans think reality is physical, so that’s their primary value, it’s not,)

Try starting there :)

As for “yoga” (in the common tradition of the meaning?) it’s good,
I did some yoga in the past, Bhakti Yoga, Raja yoga, Hatha yoga and some pranayama, (I can hardly remember them lol)

All good, if it fits your way,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

ShotAcrosstheBow, you say that what is different with immortals is their value system, that they are spiritually based. So, how come some of them are doing wrong things? (and in that case, is not their immortality affected and reversed?)

There are two basic groups,
People on the ground (immortals)
People on a higher plane (authorities)

Some are tricked,
Some don’t care,
Some are less than good,

For immortals, the worse they can do is “misreport” or “misrepresent” an issue,
That can lead to a lot of bad things, things that should have been fixed, don’t,

Yes, there are very serious repercussions, (they have already started, things have been rooted out, but there is still resistance, when there should be none, which shows the bad still has influence, it’s active)

And some of that is a fate much worse than death, (immortals don’t care about death like humans do)

But no immortality is not lost, or reversed, (there’s a big difference between being “bad” and being “evil” and the ones that have been bad will pay a terrible price)

[Unicorn]

Thanks for your answers and sound advice, ShotAcrosstheBow.

I agree that most objects in life are distractions designed to keep us far from source. In this respect, do you think the current pandemic is also a distraction manouvre?

And another question: what is the role immortals play here on Earth, among humans? What's the purpuse of their interaction with humanity as a whole?

Additionally, could there be any consequences for you reporting here?

[TomKat]

What are the primary practical techniques to achieve physical immortality? Not an outlook or philosophy, but what technique to chip away at the lie that one is mortal?

[Unicorn]

I remember reading about Ben Abba. He said he heard of a guy in the Middle East - Mediterranean Sea area - that was over 200 years old. He was going to go look for him, talk to him, and let us know all about what he discovered. THEN Ben disappeared. I assumed he found some of his answers. I assumed he didn't want to share what they were. Diet, and Mind Set are the most important. From what I have read around this issue.

Would love to hear more from this person....

I've found a book in Amazon by this author, Ben Abba ("Secrets of an Immortal"), available in Kindle format. Apparently, this is the first in a book series and was written in 2010, but since that year no other books followed...

[wegge]

re. immortality I rediscovered it last year - it gave me a huge turn on, throwing myself into it.

Has anyone read "Breaking the Death Habit" by Leonard Orr? The book resonated with me, the only sad thing is, that Leonard Orr passed away last year :)
He refers to Babaji as the immortal that influenced him the most, in founding his own modality "Rebirthing" but also his "Philosophy of Immortality" (which did not work out for himself)

So the question is: How is the ration between "natural" immortals and the ones who acquired that skill while here? and where´s the school??

And are there any immortals that teach martial arts?

PS: I also really enjoyed Bill´s picture of our body as the house we live in, and dying as just moving places (but packing your stuff sucks)

[TomKat]

Someone may have posted this before. Here Jay Weidner talks about the semi-mythical alchemist Fulcanelli, supposedly still alive.

ta_awFN3f2M

[wegge]

Someone may have posted this before. Here Jay Weidner talks about the semi-mythical alchemist Fulcanelli, supposedly still alive.

ta_awFN3f2M

Thanks for the link, it’s an amazing story.
So their bottom line is that alchemy is all about decalcifying your pineal gland and that’s your ticket to immortality / a life of longevity.

[halcyon026]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosed. The ancient cuneiform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

[wegge]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Are these texts about the cuneiform bones in our feet or would you mind to elucidate?

[DeDukshyn]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)

Please feel free to nitpick, I welcome it,

Is it always subtle? And if so, why are you defecting from form, if what you say is true.

[halcyon026]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Are these texts about the cuneiform bones in our feet or would you mind to elucidate?

To list a few out of tens of thousands of tablets/texts recovered,

The King's List
Epic of Gilgamesh
Epic of Atrahasis (Noah)
The Enuma Elish
Emerald Tablets

They cover topics like human origins and our creation/creators, DNA/gene editing, the various gods and their roles, timeline of Earth dating back about 400,000 years, various types of immortality, the soul, what exists beyond 3D, light vs dark, cycles of time, the deluge and other natural events that have reset civilization on Earth.

The Dogan people are also a great resource for our history.

[TomKat]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneiform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Pretty meaningless statement. "All these topics" ... "the ancient cuneiform texts" ... What exactly are you trying to say?

[halcyon026]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneiform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Pretty meaningless statement. "All these topics" ... "the ancient cuneiform texts" ... What exactly are you trying to say?

Ah! That's what happens when I forget to quote! I meant to quote the OP who was eluding to his comments on topics like immortality, Atlantis, technology, 'creating a **** storm' by disclosing this info.

My point was just that those topics (that would have been seen if I had quoted him correctly) had been mentioned in ancient texts already, it isn't something new we've not heard of before.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Thanks for your answers and sound advice, ShotAcrosstheBow.

I agree that most objects in life are distractions designed to keep us far from source. In this respect, do you think the current pandemic is also a distraction manouvre?

And another question: what is the role immortals play here on Earth, among humans? What's the purpuse of their interaction with humanity as a whole?

Additionally, could there be any consequences for you reporting here?

The pandemic is a “deep state” tactic in an attempt to collapse the global economy and influence the coming election (it’s also a dry run for a more lethal virus, see “ the anglo saxon mission”, but that’s only planned for after the election)

They will fail,

Everyone who is born on this planet comes in to this world with a “life plan” a mission,
Immortals are the same, they are meant to help, one way or other, their leadership is on a higher plane,

My job (life plan) is somewhat different to most,

Yes there will be repercussions, it’s already started, but it’s not enough,
They are the guilty party,

The “consequences“ is my goal,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

What are the primary practical techniques to achieve physical immortality? Not an outlook or philosophy, but what technique to chip away at the lie that one is mortal?

Only your body is “mortal”
Your Soul is immortal if not destroyed
Your Spirit is immortal and indestructible

It’s not really based on outlook or philosophy, but it helps,
You need to be Spiritual,

Everything is energy
Your mind directs energy
So......

For “techniques” reread my previous posts, that’s a better starting point,

It’s not as rare as you think,
Don’t believe the bs about it being so “esoteric”

There are a lot of immortals about

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

re. immortality I rediscovered it last year - it gave me a huge turn on, throwing myself into it.

Has anyone read "Breaking the Death Habit" by Leonard Orr? The book resonated with me, the only sad thing is, that Leonard Orr passed away last year :)
He refers to Babaji as the immortal that influenced him the most, in founding his own modality "Rebirthing" but also his "Philosophy of Immortality" (which did not work out for himself)

So the question is: How is the ration between "natural" immortals and the ones who acquired that skill while here? and where´s the school??

And are there any immortals that teach martial arts?

PS: I also really enjoyed Bill´s picture of our body as the house we live in, and dying as just moving places (but packing your stuff sucks)

I don’t know Orr, but any sort of disclosure of the facts would be discouraged,

Again, if he was a real immortal he would not keep the same identity for long,
They all fake their death, or disappear to find a new identity,
You can only keep an identity on record for so long (reread my posts)

You can’t acquire the skill, you can learn how to last longer, but don’t believe the bs about people “acquiring” immortality, there is a lot of lies, misinformation and wishful thinking,

There is an educational process, that evolves naturally, (most of the time)

I don’t know of any immortal that teaches martial arts personally, but I’m sure they are out there, It’s not a component,

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Someone may have posted this before. Here Jay Weidner talks about the semi-mythical alchemist Fulcanelli, supposedly still alive.

ta_awFN3f2M

Thanks for the link, it’s an amazing story.
So their bottom line is that alchemy is all about decalcifying your pineal gland and that’s your ticket to immortality / a life of longevity.

Nope, sorry

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosed. The ancient cuneiform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Those texts are not relevant to today,

When in written form, you are free to believe, or disbelieve, give it to myths and legends, a fairytale, no legitimacy to the writing,

Unless you know the truth first hand from experience how would you know where fact begins, and fiction ends?

But please feel free to quote from those text,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (it’s always subtle, never blatant or overt)

Please feel free to nitpick, I welcome it,

Is it always subtle? And if so, why are you defecting from form, if what you say is true.

Please reread my earlier posts,

I’m doing this out of necessity, not because I want to, but I’m forced to,
There is part of the system that’s corrupted, I’m forcing change one way or other,
The corruption is heavily entrenched, if I make a big enough noise it will draw attention to people in authority above the problem,

I have tried everything I could think of to resolve this another way, it falls on deaf ears,

I’m not defecting, I’m drawing attention to secrets they don’t want made public, or worse, used,

¤=[Post Update]=¤




I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Are these texts about the cuneiform bones in our feet or would you mind to elucidate?

To list a few out of tens of thousands of tablets/texts recovered,

The King's List
Epic of Gilgamesh
Epic of Atrahasis (Noah)
The Enuma Elish
Emerald Tablets

They cover topics like human origins and our creation/creators, DNA/gene editing, the various gods and their roles, timeline of Earth dating back about 400,000 years, various types of immortality, the soul, what exists beyond 3D, light vs dark, cycles of time, the deluge and other natural events that have reset civilization on Earth.

The Dogan people are also a great resource for our history.

And how much of that is true?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I don't think any of these ideas or topics are new or just being disclosured. The ancient cuneiform texts cover all these topics and answer a lot of the questions being posted here.

Pretty meaningless statement. "All these topics" ... "the ancient cuneiform texts" ... What exactly are you trying to say?

Ah! That's what happens when I forget to quote! I meant to quote the OP who was eluding to his comments on topics like immortality, Atlantis, technology, 'creating a **** storm' by disclosing this info.

My point was just that those topics (that would have been seen if I had quoted him correctly) had been mentioned in ancient texts already, it isn't something new we've not heard of before.

Those subjects on there own would not cause a sh!t storm,
Disclosure of secrets does,

[Delight]

Those subjects on there own would not cause a sh!t storm,
Disclosure of secrets does,

I saw you write this on another thread....


Mandala effects, sometimes due to some part of a previous timeline written over, a type of echo, via butterfly effect,
If it had been changed by wormhole time travel you would not get this, it’s most likely due to crappy low end tech (parallel world hopping)

I would like to know more about immortality and have read avidly every bit I could find written. I have read accounts of Babaji from those who say they have met him. I recall reading Leonard Orr's work and all kinds of books looking for the "truth". Actually any time the subject comes up, I feel a deep trill. It is my favorite subject in science fiction/fantasy. Time shifts, alternate realities, parallel "world". All of this is delicious. I know I am joined by many many others. This makes me wonder if the interest is because a part of "me" realizes my immortal stature?

I spend quite a bit of every day wondering about the meaning of "all this....". It occurs to me after all my rambles around in thinking... IS the secret in plain sight that we are ALL IMMORTAL beings who don't need to be in any particular "shape" to avail oneself?

What I did not like from "Autobiography of a Yogi" was his Guru/chela descriptions. Guru's have Chelas who seem to need to be in a relationship with the Guru to experience "anomalies". Guru's need chelas. That is seen on every level as Masters are raised.

Is it possible one of the secrets is that the feudal Structure of all conceivable hierarchies (in all layers of density) of ever "ascending" stature is a lie? What if when we STOP giving our energy over to feed the "gods", then we can build our own intrinisc "stature" but the TRICK is that we are taught in ever so many ways and all the time... YOU are not worthy (yet, ever, without xyz, etc...all the same theme.

You alluded to no "process" needed to be immortal. No process, no rules, no pre-requisites is IMO being ONESELF... ALREADY immortal. AND apparently beyond the veil, what we don't glean here is what we don't know any better 'there'. Therefore, I feel that the draw to understand immortality MUST be because one already IS IMMORTAL. IMO immortals can still "fail" to keep a body when it is no longer nourished properly through ignorance of streaming life force I bet.

BUT I am just speculating. At the same time, I won't ever accept a master because I deeply know we are ALL brothers and sisters and hierarchies are made up fantasies.

Immortal Babaji
& His Lilas (https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-UwT3BJuJrbwqiW1W/The%20Immortal%20Babi%20Ji%20&%20His%20Lilas_djvu.txt)

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

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[Delight]

I did not allude to that,
There is a “process” (please reread my posts)
There are “rules”
And there are most definitely “pre requisites”

There is also a structured hierarchy, (people on a higher level, and people on a higher level than them etc)

Your soul is immortal but not indestructible
Your Spirit is immortal and indestructible

Your Spirit is as different to your soul, as your soul is to your body,

I was thinking this said that you either "are" or "are not"...


You can’t acquire the skill, you can learn how to last longer, but don’t believe the bs about people “acquiring” immortality, there is a lot of lies, misinformation and wishful thinking,

I live in a parallel reality to yours I guess.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

[QUOTE=halcyon026;1349432]

Those subjects on there own would not cause a sh!t storm,
Disclosure of secrets does,

I saw you write this on another thread....


Mandala effects, sometimes due to some part of a previous timeline written over, a type of echo, via butterfly effect,
If it had been changed by wormhole time travel you would not get this, it’s most likely due to crappy low end tech (parallel world hopping)

I would like to know more about immortality and have read avidly every bit I could find written. I have read accounts of Babaji from those who say they have met him. I recall reading Leonard Orr's work and all kinds of books looking for the "truth". Actually any time the subject comes up, I feel a deep trill. It is my favorite subject in science fiction/fantasy. Time shifts, alternate realities, parallel "world". All of this is delicious. I know I am joined by many many others. This makes me wonder if the interest is because a part of "me" realizes my immortal stature?

I spend quite a bit of every day wondering about the meaning of "all this....". It occurs to me after all my rambles around in thinking... IS the secret in plain sight that we are ALL IMMORTAL beings who don't need to be in any particular "shape" to avail oneself?

What I did not like from "Autobiography of a Yogi" was his Guru/chela descriptions. Guru's have Chelas who seem to need to be in a relationship with the Guru to experience "anomalies". Guru's need chelas. That is seen on every level as Masters are raised.

Is it possible one of the secrets is that the feudal Structure of all conceivable hierarchies (in all layers of density) of ever "ascending" stature is a lie? What if when we STOP giving our energy over to feed the "gods", then we can build our own intrinisc "stature" but the TRICK is that we are taught in ever so many ways and all the time... YOU are not worthy (yet, ever, without xyz, etc...all the same theme.

You alluded to no "process" needed to be immortal. No process, no rules, no pre-requisites is IMO being ONESELF... ALREADY immortal. AND apparently beyond the veil, what we don't glean here is what we don't know any better 'there'. Therefore, I feel that the draw to understand immortality MUST be because one already IS IMMORTAL. IMO immortals can still "fail" to keep a body when it is no longer nourished properly through ignorance of streaming life force I bet.

BUT I am just speculating. At the same time, I won't ever accept a master because I deeply know we are ALL brothers and sisters and hierarchies are made up fantasies.

Immortal Babaji
& His Lilas (https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-UwT3BJuJrbwqiW1W/The%20Immortal%20Babi%20Ji%20&%20His%20Lilas_djvu.txt)

I did not allude to that,
There is a “process” (please reread my posts)
There are “rules”
And there are most definitely “pre requisites”

There is also a structured hierarchy, (people on a higher level, and people on a higher level than them etc)

Your soul is immortal but not indestructible
Your Spirit is immortal and indestructible

Your Spirit is as different to your soul, as your soul is to your body,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I did not allude to that,
There is a “process” (please reread my posts)
There are “rules”
And there are most definitely “pre requisites”

There is also a structured hierarchy, (people on a higher level, and people on a higher level than them etc)

Your soul is immortal but not indestructible
Your Spirit is immortal and indestructible

Your Spirit is as different to your soul, as your soul is to your body,

I was thinking this said that you either "are" or "are not"...


You can’t acquire the skill, you can learn how to last longer, but don’t believe the bs about people “acquiring” immortality, there is a lot of lies, misinformation and wishful thinking,

I live in a parallel reality to yours I guess.

Humans can’t get Physical immortality,
But not everyone born on Earth is a human,
Many people walking around that think they are human that aren’t,

[Delight]

Humans can’t get Physical immortality,
But not everyone born on Earth is a human,
Many people walking around that think they are human that aren’t,

I am a little confused as the body is a self repairing organic structure amenable to mind. I wonder if you are just looking at things backwards? Maybe for those humans who don't mind being mortal, immortality does not matter. Free will at a deep level of being? But respectfully, it really does not matter what is "believed" when the truth wells up. I am having a great time investigating down into the deep with my little life here and now. Now is the time of life anyway.

[Floating]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Humans can’t get Physical immortality,
But not everyone born on Earth is a human,
Many people walking around that think they are human that aren’t,

I am a little confused as the body is a self repairing organic structure amenable to mind. I wonder if you are just looking at things backwards? Maybe for those humans who don't mind being mortal, immortality does not matter. Free will at a deep level of being? But respectfully, it really does not matter what is "believed" when the truth wells up. I am having a great time investigating down into the deep with my little life here and now. Now is the time of life anyway.

The human body is self repairing but it’s like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, each time the cells are replaced they degrade a little, that is aging,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

[greybeard]

Babaji the deathless Saint worth looking up.
Think he could change body though-- no body is deathless,
Can see why anyone would want to live indefinately on mother earth, with the same persona.
Spirit is without gender -- so you can incarnate as male or female and anything in between.
Other realms to investigate when you graduate from human form.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Note from Bill: I copied this post, originally dated 2 April, from the Would God really send people to hell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110370-Would-God-really-send-people-to-hell....) thread. ShotAcrosstheBow may not have seen it.

Considering his many continuing assertions, whether true or false, and his increased participation on many other threads, I do think it's important.

We may close his account soon, though we wish him no ill, as we do have to safeguard the quality and integrity of the forum.

~~~



No. God does not send people to hell.

If you believe that God is perfect love, and perfect love casts out fear. Then fear based manipulations, like sending people to hell, have no root in God. Reject them.

I use to believe there was no hell, because God forgave everyone,

And that is true, God does forgive everyone,

But there is a hell, God doesn’t send anyone there, but it’s real,

You know that pedophilias and cannibals exist, did God create that?, no, it’s an evil use of free will,
In the same way you destroy yourselves,

Ironically psychopaths don’t have the capacity for spiritual beliefs, (sure they can mimic it, but it’s fake, push them on the subject and they will say there is no God, no heaven or hell, they go through life thinking there is no consequences to their action (they think when they die, they are just going to fall asleep and that’s it, nothing))

I’m not trying to manipulate, or scare you,
But you don’t want to find out the hard way either,

Sure, I'm a mod, and I'll intervene. That (above) is all bullsh*t. :) I know about these things, too.

I do seriously consider that you may be mentally unwell. I don't mean that unkindly, or as any kind of putdown or insult. But some people are. It's not their fault.

The greatest act of courage possible is to look in the mirror and realize that one might have a serious mental problem.

If you've had a history of this, and at some level you want to let go of your charade (which is what this is), then I can promise you: you'll find caring support here. You really will. This is a good place, with good people.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Note from Bill: I copied this post, originally dated 2 April, from the Would God really send people to hell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110370-Would-God-really-send-people-to-hell....) thread. ShotAcrosstheBow may not have seen it.

Considering his many continuing assertions, whether true or false, and his increased participation on many other threads, I do think it's important.

We may close his account soon, though we wish him no ill, as we do have to safeguard the quality and integrity of the forum.

~~~



No. God does not send people to hell.

If you believe that God is perfect love, and perfect love casts out fear. Then fear based manipulations, like sending people to hell, have no root in God. Reject them.

I use to believe there was no hell, because God forgave everyone,

And that is true, God does forgive everyone,

But there is a hell, God doesn’t send anyone there, but it’s real,

You know that pedophilias and cannibals exist, did God create that?, no, it’s an evil use of free will,
In the same way you destroy yourselves,

Ironically psychopaths don’t have the capacity for spiritual beliefs, (sure they can mimic it, but it’s fake, push them on the subject and they will say there is no God, no heaven or hell, they go through life thinking there is no consequences to their action (they think when they die, they are just going to fall asleep and that’s it, nothing))

I’m not trying to manipulate, or scare you,
But you don’t want to find out the hard way either,

Sure, I'm a mod, and I'll intervene. That (above) is all bullsh*t. :) I know about these things, too.

I do seriously consider that you may be mentally unwell. I don't mean that unkindly, or as any kind of putdown or insult. But some people are. It's not their fault.

The greatest act of courage possible is to look in the mirror and realize that one might have a serious mental problem.

If you've had a history of this, and at some level you want to let go of your charade (which is what this is), then I can promise you: you'll find caring support here. You really will. This is a good place, with good people.

Why would you say this?
You are wrong again, is it because I disagreed with some o your previous posts?
I can only speak of what I know is true, no matter what others think, it is not an armed attack on you (up to this point I had nothing but respect for you, even if we disagreed, but this post has shaken that)

If you want to disagree with me fine,
But don’t try to discredit me /character assassinate with unfounded assumptions,
how is that fair?

I’m not mentally ill, and I am telling the truth,

Please show me evidence of your claims to my character/mental heath, I’m curious to see the basis of that claim,

Sound fair?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Babaji the deathless Saint worth looking up.
Think he could change body though-- no body is deathless,
Can see why anyone would want to live indefinately on mother earth, with the same persona.
Spirit is without gender -- so you can incarnate as male or female and anything in between.
Other realms to investigate when you graduate from human form.
Chris

Yes you can come back either male or female, I have done both,
You never stop learning, but you do graduate,

[Bill Ryan]

Note from Bill: I copied this post, originally dated 2 April, from the Would God really send people to hell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110370-Would-God-really-send-people-to-hell....) thread. ShotAcrosstheBow may not have seen it.

Considering his many continuing assertions, whether true or false, and his increased participation on many other threads, I do think it's important.

We may close his account soon, though we wish him no ill, as we do have to safeguard the quality and integrity of the forum.

~~~



No. God does not send people to hell.

If you believe that God is perfect love, and perfect love casts out fear. Then fear based manipulations, like sending people to hell, have no root in God. Reject them.

I use to believe there was no hell, because God forgave everyone,

And that is true, God does forgive everyone,

But there is a hell, God doesn’t send anyone there, but it’s real,

You know that pedophilias and cannibals exist, did God create that?, no, it’s an evil use of free will,
In the same way you destroy yourselves,

Ironically psychopaths don’t have the capacity for spiritual beliefs, (sure they can mimic it, but it’s fake, push them on the subject and they will say there is no God, no heaven or hell, they go through life thinking there is no consequences to their action (they think when they die, they are just going to fall asleep and that’s it, nothing))

I’m not trying to manipulate, or scare you,
But you don’t want to find out the hard way either,

Sure, I'm a mod, and I'll intervene. That (above) is all bullsh*t. :) I know about these things, too.

I do seriously consider that you may be mentally unwell. I don't mean that unkindly, or as any kind of putdown or insult. But some people are. It's not their fault.

The greatest act of courage possible is to look in the mirror and realize that one might have a serious mental problem.

If you've had a history of this, and at some level you want to let go of your charade (which is what this is), then I can promise you: you'll find caring support here. You really will. This is a good place, with good people.

Why would you say this?
You are wrong again, is it because I disagreed with some o your previous posts?
I can only speak of what I know is true, no matter what others think, it is not an armed attack on you (up to this point I had nothing but respect for you, even if we disagreed, but this post has shaken that)

If you want to disagree with me fine,
But don’t try to discredit me /character assassinate with unfounded assumptions,
how is that fair?

I’m not mentally ill, and I am telling the truth,

Please show me evidence of your claims to my character/mental heath, I’m curious to see the basis of that claim,

Sound fair?You're not telling the truth about the reality of an Old Testament biblical hell. Period.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Note from Bill: I copied this post, originally dated 2 April, from the Would God really send people to hell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110370-Would-God-really-send-people-to-hell....) thread. ShotAcrosstheBow may not have seen it.

Considering his many continuing assertions, whether true or false, and his increased participation on many other threads, I do think it's important.

We may close his account soon, though we wish him no ill, as we do have to safeguard the quality and integrity of the forum.

~~~



No. God does not send people to hell.

If you believe that God is perfect love, and perfect love casts out fear. Then fear based manipulations, like sending people to hell, have no root in God. Reject them.

I use to believe there was no hell, because God forgave everyone,

And that is true, God does forgive everyone,

But there is a hell, God doesn’t send anyone there, but it’s real,

You know that pedophilias and cannibals exist, did God create that?, no, it’s an evil use of free will,
In the same way you destroy yourselves,

Ironically psychopaths don’t have the capacity for spiritual beliefs, (sure they can mimic it, but it’s fake, push them on the subject and they will say there is no God, no heaven or hell, they go through life thinking there is no consequences to their action (they think when they die, they are just going to fall asleep and that’s it, nothing))

I’m not trying to manipulate, or scare you,
But you don’t want to find out the hard way either,

Sure, I'm a mod, and I'll intervene. That (above) is all bullsh*t. :) I know about these things, too.

I do seriously consider that you may be mentally unwell. I don't mean that unkindly, or as any kind of putdown or insult. But some people are. It's not their fault.

The greatest act of courage possible is to look in the mirror and realize that one might have a serious mental problem.

If you've had a history of this, and at some level you want to let go of your charade (which is what this is), then I can promise you: you'll find caring support here. You really will. This is a good place, with good people.

Why would you say this?
You are wrong again, is it because I disagreed with some o your previous posts?
I can only speak of what I know is true, no matter what others think, it is not an armed attack on you (up to this point I had nothing but respect for you, even if we disagreed, but this post has shaken that)

If you want to disagree with me fine,
But don’t try to discredit me /character assassinate with unfounded assumptions,
how is that fair?

I’m not mentally ill, and I am telling the truth,

Please show me evidence of your claims to my character/mental heath, I’m curious to see the basis of that claim,

Sound fair?You're not telling the truth about the reality of an Old Testament biblical hell. Period.

Can’t ever remember reading the Old Testament,
But I am telling you the truth when I say there is a hell,

At one time, I use to believe that no on went to hell, that hell wasnt real because God forgave everyone,
I thought that was true,

I found out later I was wrong,
God doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

I asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

This is what I know to be true,

Your mileage my vary,
But one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

Either way, I’d hardly call that “opinion” the basis of a “mentally ill” claim,
Traditional or conservative maybe,

[Bill Ryan]

God doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

I asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

This is what I know to be true,

Your mileage my vary,
But one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

You're dangerously and irresponsibly incorrect.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

God doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

I asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

This is what I know to be true,

Your mileage my vary,
But one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

You're dangerously and irresponsibly incorrect.

How so? I’m not forcing anyone in to my opinion (that’s not even doable)
And I’m sharing the same opinion with the vast majority of Christians,
Are we all dangerously irresponsible?

That doesn’t seem fair,
Even if you disagree with me, I should have the right to my opinion, just like everyone else, correct?

[Agape]

Ever seen the Life of Pi


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrL1kfxawuI

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1jMsjBTl_8


The Pi Patel story ..

[greybeard]

I agree with you up to a point Agape.
A lot of people will only find the truth on crossing over.
Im thinking of Dr Eben Alexander the brain surgeon who had a very believable NDE.

Christ told the truth -- The Kingdom of Heaven is within so truth is discoverable in this life through spiritual practise such as meditation.
Faith is very important--many enlightened souls point to this truth I have faith that they genuinely tell the Truth.
I do not however claim I am right.
Its a maybe so.
I suspect that ultimate Truth is experiential which is why the sages say it can not be spoken of.

As long as people are respectful in conveying what they believe to be true I see no harm in it.
Its ok to be wrong.
Ive seen worse here on Avalon -- beware of going into the light for example -- but I respect that opinion though I rebut it.
No one can really speak for or against Christianity as there are many thousand different churches all claiming they got it right.

Chris

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

God doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

I asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

This is what I know to be true,

Your mileage my vary,
But one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

You're dangerously and irresponsibly incorrect.

How so? I’m not forcing anyone in to my opinion (that’s not even doable)
And I’m sharing the same opinion with the vast majority of Christians,
Are we all dangerously irresponsible?

That doesn’t seem fair,
Even if you disagree with me, I should have the right to my opinion, just like this everyone else, correct?


Yes any faith trying to convince people that “truth can be found only after leaving this life” is dangerous”. Human beings are capable of realizing truth while being alive too.

If you deny it, yourself as a preacher prove yourself foolish.


God is of Life and living things ..

It’s where any so “orthodox religion” falls on its own sword by denying pure logic.


Faith and hope are positively important and undeniable factors in Life, allowing us to take risk and transcend given boundaries.
However, our sense of wisdom fully depends on pure mind that is pure logic and experience -training in the logic of causality. That’s often discovered only the day “after tomorrow”.

That only applies if you are looking for truth in this life,
Many don’t, they only place they find it is on the other side,

Too many people are quick to judge, and then become entrenched in their belief,
That is like running with scissors with your eyes closed, it’s only a matter of time before something bad happens,

Logic is a great tool, but has its limits,
It can only work properly when it has all the facts
Like resolving a maths problem, you need the correct components to get the correct answer,

How many have all the facts?

Learn to suspend your judgement until you do, or you are just judging on assumption,
Assumptions are not facts,

Learn to keep them separate,
And you will find the truth faster (because you don’t self contaminate)

To do anything other is insane

[waves]

After reading thru this thread for the first time I was growingly feeling like Bill before I got to his post. Maybe not for his same reasons/observations but I hadn't yet read anything new or revealing with any good explanation yet and was getting really tired of Shot's 4 word statements that I've heard 100's of times before and never really answered questions. Also noticed a lot of very good questions never answered - like what exactly is the difference and relationship between a human and immortal/how does one become the other, and what exactly is the reality of some inescapable hell? I see someone deeply entrained and damaged by early Catholic programming still feeling lost and betrayed and twisting it's unsettllng concepts into a story that feels better.

Especially this game of ask me something good first or I'm not going to offer feels very cagey. Explain something in great detail in a way we haven't heard before, Shot.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill 🙏🌟🙏, with all respect to you and your IQ,
I can’t believe what I’m seeing here.
The topic is just fine and the person posting seem to just express themselves little differently.
It does not trigger me even a little bit as long as it makes sense.

But it doesn't make sense. Not in the tiniest little bit. :)

We have a new member here, whom we know very little about, who's now made quite a few take-it-from-me-this-is-the-truth proclamations, based on nothing but what he's been told by unnamed others.

Many members who've been here a year or two may remember we've been here before, and it always ends in tears.

Those things ShotAcrosstheBow was told include:


He is immortal.
Hell is real.

So I'd immediately suggest that this is of almost zero subjective value to anyone reading, except either the most gullible, or the most vulnerable. (And we do have vulnerable members here.)

We have to differentiate this from some of the extraordinary material shared by members as detailed, remarkable personal experiences they've either witnessed in real time this lifetime, or to their best of honest belief, have recalled.

All experiences can be shared here, and many have. This thread is a wonderful, inspiring repository of many of them:


EXPERIENCERS: Sharing, Exploring, and Learning Together (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together)

At the other end of this value spectrum, it's fine for someone to insist that the Earth is flat. (As long as it's not here!) That's unintelligent, immediately disprovable, but harmless — except that it gives the alternative community a bad name, and probably deliberately so.

We never approve Flat Earthers' applications. (Members might thank us for that! :) )

But far from being harmless nonsense, someones stating as an authoritative proclamation that Hell is real is dangerous for some. We have teenagers as members here, as young as 14 and 15. That notion been used for centuries as a control mechanism to drive people into fear and obedience.

That's not going to happen here, if such a notion is based on a primitive medieval falsehood.

We can all have an intelligent, informed, historical, academic, sociological and spiritual discussion on whether "hell is real", and what thay concept might mean. That's interesting, and opens up many aspects of the human condition.

But to say (and this is a caricature, of course, to make the point): "Hell is definitely real, because I've been told (and take it from me, I'm an immortal, and I was told that, too)" quickly starts to disqualify someone from being a member of this community.

If he'd told us all this when he applied, we would certainly have declined his application. This is why we have applications. You should see some of what's written by some of the prospective members we decline. This is what separates Avalon from Facebook, Twitter, or a bunch of YouTube comments.

The very way ShotAcrosstheBow has been conducting himself suggests strongly that:


He's at the effect of a belief system of his own. And this having been impressed on him by others (with his consent and agreement), he's determined to then impress this on members and guests here. That kind of dogmatism isn't healthy, welcome, or okay.
He may very well be unstable or unwell, inasmuch as he does NOT seem to be able to see any of this for himself in any kind of intelligent, balanced way.

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzHJf-am0QY


It’s not the messenger it’s the message

[DeDukshyn]

There's a lot of contradiction in Shot's posts here alone. And so far he's brought nothing of any real value, or any information of value that we already don't well know. The rest sounds an awful lot like it was influenced by Stephen Hodges 'story'. If I was feeling a little more abrasive, I would gather up all these contradictions and take him to task on trying to explain them.

I'm with Bill ... this is silly.

And I'll say it yet again ... anyone starting a thread with "I'm <insert cool unbelievable thing here>, Ask me any questions!" has not had a good ride here ... we have seen this over and over and over, and the outcome is always the same.

Shot wouldn't know we have this history, and he may not know that his story sounds very peculiarly like picked up parts from the Stephen Hodges story ... again, from Avalon history, so he may not understand why all the skepticism.

[greybeard]

I am that I am --Agape and you are correct in that you say.
Advaita Vedanta which is my current interest -- maintains that you are allready That --immortal --One without a second -- you are just ignorant of this.
However it is strongly suggested that even though That which you are is ultimate truth you still need spiritual practice Neity Neity to remove the ignorance-- all complex yet simple
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108625-Advaita-Vedanta---The-Greatest-Philosophy-on-Earth--

Ps NDE is short of enlightenment but Dr Eben Alexander and others of NDE experience have said All are One They have glimpsed the Truth which they were unaware of before.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

After reading thru this thread for the first time I was growingly feeling like Bill before I got to his post. Maybe not for his same reasons/observations but I hadn't yet read anything new or revealing with any good explanation yet and was getting really tired of Shot's 4 word statements that I've heard 100's of times before and never really answered questions. Also noticed a lot of very good questions never answered - like what exactly is the difference and relationship between a human and immortal/how does one become the other, and what exactly is the reality of some inescapable hell? I see someone deeply entrained and damaged by early Catholic programming still feeling lost and betrayed and twisting it's unsettllng concepts into a story that feels better.

Especially this game of ask me something good first or I'm not going to offer feels very cagey. Explain something in great detail in a way we haven't heard before, Shot.

Could that be loaded with more of your own bias if you tried?
Like many times now, I have already answered the same question before in previous posts,
But if you want to see only what you want to see, I’m sure that blinds you to many things,

It’s easy to disprove your assumptions,
Simply show me where you got them...

Deeply entrained and damaged?
Again, where did you get this from?

Sorry, if you have a question ask me,
If you are just trying to throw around baseless aspersions, I’m not going to jump through your crazy hoops,
Nor waste my time being pulled in to an argument, (which seems to be your goal, or why make such baseless assumptions as “entrained and damaged“ don’t the mods get to jump on that?)

[Agape]

Sorry Bill


Thanks again

🦢

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgPCvuM-_C8


True immortal

[Agape]

Empty space:

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WwfI_3H94

No government agency has power over the truth

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Bill 🙏🌟🙏, with all respect to you and your IQ,
I can’t believe what I’m seeing here.
The topic is just fine and the person posting seem to just express themselves little differently.
It does not trigger me even a little bit as long as it makes sense.

But it doesn't make sense. Not in the tiniest little bit. :)

We have a new member here, whom we know very little about, who's now made quite a few take-it-from-me-this-is-the-truth proclamations, based on nothing but what he's been told by unnamed others.

Many members who've been here a year or two may remember we've been here before, and it always ends in tears.

Those things ShotAcrosstheBow was told include:


He is immortal.
Hell is real.

So I'd immediately suggest that this is of almost zero subjective value to anyone reading, except either the most gullible, or the most vulnerable. (And we do have vulnerable members here.)

We have to differentiate this from some of the extraordinary material shared by members as detailed, remarkable personal experiences they've either witnessed in real time this lifetime, or to their best of honest belief, have recalled.

All experiences can be shared here, and many have. This thread is a wonderful, inspiring repository of many of them:


EXPERIENCERS: Sharing, Exploring, and Learning Together (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together)

At the other end of this value spectrum, it's fine for someone to insist that the Earth is flat. (As long as it's not here!) That's unintelligent, immediately disprovable, but harmless — except that it gives the alternative community a bad name, and probably deliberately so.

We never approve Flat Earthers' applications. (Members might thank us for that! :) )

But far from being harmless nonsense, someones stating as an authoritative proclamation that Hell is real is dangerous for some. We have teenagers as members here, as young as 14 and 15. That notion been used for centuries as a control mechanism to drive people into fear and obedience.

That's not going to happen here, if such a notion is based on a primitive medieval falsehood.

We can all have an intelligent, informed, historical, academic, sociological and spiritual discussion on whether "hell is real", and what thay concept might mean. That's interesting, and opens up many aspects of the human condition.

But to say (and this is a caricature, of course, to make the point): "Hell is definitely real, because I've been told (and take it from me, I'm an immortal, and I was told that, too)" quickly starts to disqualify someone from being a member of this community.

If he'd told us all this when he applied, we would certainly have declined his application. This is why we have applications. You should see some of what's written by some of the prospective members we decline. This is what separates Avalon from Facebook, Twitter, or a bunch of YouTube comments.

The very way ShotAcrosstheBow has been conducting himself suggests strongly that:


He's at the effect of a belief system of his own. And this having been impressed on him by others (with his consent and agreement), he's determined to then impress this on members and guests here. That kind of dogmatism isn't healthy, welcome, or okay.
He may very well be unstable or unwell, inasmuch as he does NOT seem to be able to see any of this for himself in any kind of intelligent, balanced way.


What part of that is true?
I’ve seen you many times dismiss those that tell the truth,
Yet there are many non truths allowed on this forum,

I can understand why people would think this subject matter fiction, it sounds like fiction, I’m aware of that, and they count on that,
Wouldn’t be a secret if it was known, or even suspected,
I encourage scepticism, ask your questions, but don’t expect me to post everything a\in one post, it’s an extensive subject, with complex issues, if I dropped that on you, you would not understand it (you need to learn the alphabet before you can read, you don’t just drop a book on someone who can’t read and expect them to understand)

This environment is my norm. And was never meant for disclosure, so it’s not easy for me to frame this in a way that someone outside that environment would understand,
I try to keep it simple to the point, if that’s not enough ask more questions or be more specific,

I don’t know everything, and I have done my best to discuss what I can (as I already stated at the start, I will not talk about certain things to defend certain things, but I would try to answer any question, if I missed it call me on it, if I can’t tell you I will say so, but I will not lie,)

Bill, I am shocked at your behaviour, I’m not a “yes man” and I thought you would respect people’s right to their opinion (without baseless judgements, or agendas)
That’s the only reason I choose this site, I can understand people’s scepticism, (again the things people know today would get you burned as a witch centuries ago)
But baseless attacks? Unfounded aspersions? Unfair comments and treatment? I’m sure if I had thrown such baseless comment at those that did me I would have been banned, correct?
You claim to value truth and logic, be where is it now?

Where are your facts, not assumptions (if this was simply an assumption based on a lack of information, why would you fill that void with baseless negativity? If you see what you want to see, why would you choose the negative?, again if it had any degree of validity you could show me, but no logic, no reason, no proof, how is fair? You don’t jump on people who make outlandish statements, is this based on your arbitrary decision? Is this the world according to Bill or else?, that’s not a honest pursuit of truth or knowledge, but a cult,

I am not mentally ill, I have never done drugs, I not a drinker, I am not deluded, I do not lack in reason, nor opened mindfulness,
I’ve never tried to be rude (I’ve even sidestepped multiple attempts of attack) I’m not a zealot nor a bible basher, I have not lied,

I have been Fair, I have been Truthful, and I have tried to help where I could,
And Bill, I treat you just like anyone else on this forum, and thought you had the principles and ethics to value people’s opinion even if it differed from yours, instead of an echo chamber,
I tend to look for the good in people, and trust too easily,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

There's a lot of contradiction in Shot's posts here alone. And so far he's brought nothing of any real value, or any information of value that we already don't well know. The rest sounds an awful lot like it was influenced by Stephen Hodges 'story'. If I was feeling a little more abrasive, I would gather up all these contradictions and take him to task on trying to explain them.

I'm with Bill ... this is silly.

And I'll say it yet again ... anyone starting a thread with "I'm <insert cool unbelievable thing here>, Ask me any questions!" has not had a good ride here ... we have seen this over and over and over, and the outcome is always the same.

Shot wouldn't know we have this history, and he may not know that his story sounds very peculiarly like picked up parts from the Stephen Hodges story ... again, from Avalon history, so he may not understand why all the skepticism.

Never heard of Stephen Hodges,
Show me the “contradictions” try and pick things apart, I welcome it,

It’s you who come with bias, I’m not responsible for your behaviour, if you really had any interest in this thread why didn’t you ask to clarify?
If it seems to contradict is it more likely you misunderstood, or is your ego to big to exclude that option?

You are right on one thing though, I’m not aware of your negative bias based on your previous experience, but that’s not an excuse to make foundless claims against me or a subject you know nothing about,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I am that I am --Agape and you are correct in that you say.
Advaita Vedanta which is my current interest -- maintains that you are allready That --immortal --One without a second -- you are just ignorant of this.
However it is strongly suggested that even though That which you are is ultimate truth you still need spiritual practice Neity Neity to remove the ignorance-- all complex yet simple
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108625-Advaita-Vedanta---The-Greatest-Philosophy-on-Earth--

Ps NDE is short of enlightenment but Dr Eben Alexander and others of NDE experience have said All are One They have glimpsed the Truth which they were unaware of before.

“On the other side” Truth is the default and only way, there are no lies,
That’s why when people visit they become more aware,

It’s not enlightenment, but it can lead to it because they understand spiritual things are real and have value,

NDE change lives,

[Delight]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

EXCUSE me but HOW in heck would an IMMORTAL be able to TOLERATE the deadly dulldom of the beurocratic state. OMG that would be living hell.

[Delight]

God doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

I asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

This is what I know to be true,

Your mileage my vary,
But one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

You're dangerously and irresponsibly incorrect.

The reason that I think this IS a dangerous false threat is because in all history as we have created it, manipulation through fear has imprisoned humanity. The fear of punishment and eternal damnation a NUMBER ONE way to coral sensitive beings into immobility (by those who know this is not true). The power structure which gains compliance knows how to frighten the WITS out of us.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




god doesn’t send people to hell, people degenerate and send themselves to hell,

i asked people far more knowledgeable than me,

this is what i know to be true,

your mileage my vary,
but one way or other people can find out the truth when they leave this world,

you're dangerously and irresponsibly incorrect.

how so? I’m not forcing anyone in to my opinion (that’s not even doable)
and i’m sharing the same opinion with the vast majority of christians,
are we all dangerously irresponsible?


yes yes yes yes yes......

[Agape]

Deleted scene of the Close encounters of the 3rd kind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHfkO-CwGk

[Delight]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

EXCUSE me but HOW in heck would an IMMORTAL be able to TOLERATE the deadly dulldom of the beurocratic state. OMG that would be living hell.


That’s right Delight, no soul liberated from the delusions and traps of human existence would enjoy the “offers” of the state, or life with limited identities
and competences,
even if it meant honors in the human sense
such are quite intolerable and insignificant compared
to real meaning of life with all it has to offer.

All we have ever heard about true immortals who can appear and disappear at their wish is that they hide forever from human sight except for brief moments.

If they’ve ever shown themselves in the past
they do not come out to open these days anymore

not because they would fear anything
but because human minds are too spoiled nowadays
to be instructed


🌟

I am with you there. However, I am absolutely sick and tired of being a baby and having no memory. The inability to retain a long consciousness and to forget and be deluded over and over makes me despair of ever actually achieving momentum. I know nothing now and when I was younger I blundered around and feel some real regret at times for my ignorance.

I just don't want to lose the bit I feel I understand. SO, maybe immortality seems attractive in that way. It is said the drag of duality is helpful to change (pretty quick change) of one's mind if you have the ability to use the opportunity. I want to live on a planet which has a population who chooses a common different experience... peace love and understanding in a body, in a garden of what actually exists on earth NOW but aware and together with friends who grok "it" (the big IT).

[greybeard]

ShotAccrossThe Bow
You really are wasting your time.
The great majority of Avalonians have been around a long time and as pointed out have heard the story and similar that you tell quite a few times.
Why dont you be quiet and investigate this forum in particular the Spiritual Section-- you just might learn something
Jesus said "Be still and know that I am God" why not follow that advice.

Chris

[araucaria]

not because they would fear anything
but because human minds are too spoiled nowadays
to be instructed


🌟
Yes agape, but then, who is going to despoil the spoilers, the spoilt?

And why? perhaps because the spoilt have something irreplaceable?
Now what?

[Jad]

SBA with all do respect brother you haven’t said anything new. What would you think if I tell you that I can walk on water without any proof? Would you believe me? Cause that’s pretty much what you’re doing now. If this thread helps you by getting some attention then so be it there is no harm in that.

PS: I picked up the book that you first mentioned here about Angels and I am sorry to say that it’s absolute rubbish. I stoped reading after a few chapters. It’s the same New Age BS about law of attraction but with Angels.


Mod note from Bill: here's the book that ShotAcrosstheBow recommended.


http://projectavalon.net/Sonia_Choquette_Ask_Your_Guides_Connecting_to_Your_Divine_Support_System.pdf

http://psychictravissanders.com/resources/413ZRnUsexL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg?timestamp=1506040803593

[Agape]

Minority report


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGWQYgZZEEQ

[DeDukshyn]

There's a lot of contradiction in Shot's posts here alone. And so far he's brought nothing of any real value, or any information of value that we already don't well know. The rest sounds an awful lot like it was influenced by Stephen Hodges 'story'. If I was feeling a little more abrasive, I would gather up all these contradictions and take him to task on trying to explain them.

I'm with Bill ... this is silly.

And I'll say it yet again ... anyone starting a thread with "I'm <insert cool unbelievable thing here>, Ask me any questions!" has not had a good ride here ... we have seen this over and over and over, and the outcome is always the same.

Shot wouldn't know we have this history, and he may not know that his story sounds very peculiarly like picked up parts from the Stephen Hodges story ... again, from Avalon history, so he may not understand why all the skepticism.

Never heard of Stephen Hodges,
Show me the “contradictions” try and pick things apart, I welcome it,

It’s you who come with bias, I’m not responsible for your behaviour, if you really had any interest in this thread why didn’t you ask to clarify?
If it seems to contradict is it more likely you misunderstood, or is your ego to big to exclude that option?

You are right on one thing though, I’m not aware of your negative bias based on your previous experience, but that’s not an excuse to make foundless claims against me or a subject you know nothing about,


"If it seems to contradict is it more likely you misunderstood, or is your ego to big to exclude that option" You've been very arrogant to the point of being clumsy and grossly innacurate with your words previously, after an attempt to tell people 'how it is"; I pointed it out but all you saw was attack.

Has it not crossed your mind that maybe you aren't painting a very good picture, and that your arrogance is getting in the way of your ability to accurately portray whatever the hell it is that you are here for (which we still don't really know, you've given us basically nothing of real value), and that is why your words are contradicting? Is it really always everyone's else problem that they can't see you for the god you seem to be trying to portray yourself as?

Step off you high horse for minute and maybe you won't continue to lose further respect.

[DeDukshyn]

And BTW ... many of us here know why the position of "ask me any questions" is used by certain types of people for certain types of things. In a sense you may be insulting our intelligence.

If you have something to say, say it. So far you have said next to nothing of any real value ... why are you here again? So people can ask you questions? You know that automatically places the users you interact with in a submissive position so to speak (I'll assume you know this, many of us here do), and your constant insistence on having us ask you questions appears that you really like that position others asking you questions puts you in in relationship to them.

As I've said, we've seen it all before ...



Edit: I'll add one more insight here. You claim that certain info needs to be spread and that corrupt elements need to be corrected. I won't argue. We all are on that same mission. Most of us are contributing one way or another to this.

What does being immortal have to with that? The immortals have to remain secret or their numbers will be dwindled, you said, but then you post this on a public forum. So much for the need for their secrecy.

I have not seen you relay any information that was unknown or superior because it came from an 'immortal'.

So why the whole entire "I'm an immortal, ask me questions" ruse? And you talk about my ego.

Nothing about presenting yourself as an immortal has anything to do with the content needed to improve this world and its mortal inhabitants.

What it does though is artificially prop up your perceived level of importance and authority, weakening the critical thinking in those who's interest you are getting.

Its kinda obvious man. Just stop.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

EXCUSE me but HOW in heck would an IMMORTAL be able to TOLERATE the deadly dulldom of the beurocratic state. OMG that would be living hell.

Is this a real question, or are you trying to be facetious?
Either way, is it worthy?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Hey Bill, don’t you think your questions better answered via this forum, than your simplistic attempt to psychically examine me?

Validation enough?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

EXCUSE me but HOW in heck would an IMMORTAL be able to TOLERATE the deadly dulldom of the beurocratic state. OMG that would be living hell.


That’s right Delight, no soul liberated from the delusions and traps of human existence would enjoy the “offers” of the state, or life with limited identities
and competences,
even if it meant honors in the human sense
such are quite intolerable and insignificant compared
to real meaning of life with all it has to offer.

All we have ever heard about true immortals who can appear and disappear at their wish is that they hide forever from human sight except for brief moments.

If they’ve ever shown themselves in the past
they do not come out to open these days anymore

not because they would fear anything
but because human minds are too spoiled nowadays
to be instructed


🌟

Most real immortals are not guru’s, neither do they have a desire to be,
There job is to move amongst humans and help them,

It’s a lot more practical than you think,

Do you know the phrase
Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

ShotAccrossThe Bow
You really are wasting your time.
The great majority of Avalonians have been around a long time and as pointed out have heard the story and similar that you tell quite a few times.
Why dont you be quiet and investigate this forum in particular the Spiritual Section-- you just might learn something
Jesus said "Be still and know that I am God" why not follow that advice.

Chris

That’s a sad reply from someone who should know better,
I’m not here to be an “Avalonians“ I’m here to disclose a truth,

Which do you value more?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

SBA with all do respect brother you haven’t said anything new. What would you think if I tell you that I can walk on water without any proof? Would you believe me? Cause that’s pretty much what you’re doing now. If this thread helps you by getting some attention then so be it there is no harm in that.

PS: I picked up the book that you first mentioned here about Angels and I am sorry to say that it’s absolute rubbish. I stoped reading after a few chapters. It’s the same New Age BS about law of attraction but with Angels.

I doubt you have read the book I mentioned, but just made assumptions based on the burb (and maybe the cover)
Likewise I doubt you tried to read or understand my previous posts....

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

There's a lot of contradiction in Shot's posts here alone. And so far he's brought nothing of any real value, or any information of value that we already don't well know. The rest sounds an awful lot like it was influenced by Stephen Hodges 'story'. If I was feeling a little more abrasive, I would gather up all these contradictions and take him to task on trying to explain them.

I'm with Bill ... this is silly.

And I'll say it yet again ... anyone starting a thread with "I'm <insert cool unbelievable thing here>, Ask me any questions!" has not had a good ride here ... we have seen this over and over and over, and the outcome is always the same.

Shot wouldn't know we have this history, and he may not know that his story sounds very peculiarly like picked up parts from the Stephen Hodges story ... again, from Avalon history, so he may not understand why all the skepticism.

Never heard of Stephen Hodges,
Show me the “contradictions” try and pick things apart, I welcome it,

It’s you who come with bias, I’m not responsible for your behaviour, if you really had any interest in this thread why didn’t you ask to clarify?
If it seems to contradict is it more likely you misunderstood, or is your ego to big to exclude that option?

You are right on one thing though, I’m not aware of your negative bias based on your previous experience, but that’s not an excuse to make foundless claims against me or a subject you know nothing about,


"If it seems to contradict is it more likely you misunderstood, or is your ego to big to exclude that option" You've been very arrogant to the point of being clumsy and grossly innacurate with your words previously, after an attempt to tell people 'how it is"; I pointed it out but all you saw was attack.

Has it not crossed your mind that maybe you aren't painting a very good picture, and that your arrogance is getting in the way of your ability to accurately portray whatever the hell it is that you are here for (which we still don't really know, you've given us basically nothing of real value), and that is why your words are contradicting? Is it really always everyone's else problem that they can't see you for the god you seem to be trying to portray yourself as?

Step off you high horse for minute and maybe you won't continue to lose further respect.

“psychological projection‘
Look it up,


Ironic

[Agape]

Snow leopard in empty space


🐾

[greybeard]

ShotAccrossThe Bow
You really are wasting your time.
The great majority of Avalonians have been around a long time and as pointed out have heard the story and similar that you tell quite a few times.
Why dont you be quiet and investigate this forum in particular the Spiritual Section-- you just might learn something
Jesus said "Be still and know that I am God" why not follow that advice.

Chris

That’s a sad reply from someone who should know better,
I’m not here to be an “Avalonians“ I’m here to disclose a truth,

Which do you value more?

Regardless this is the Avalon Community that you requested to join and were accepted as a member.
I and other have done you the courtesy of responding to your thread.
Have you even visited the Spiritual section?
Your are a member of this community and therfore as defined an Avalonian -- please do not abuse this privilege.
All you are doing is giving me the opportunity to promote threads in the spiritual section.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108625-Advaita-Vedanta---The-Greatest-Philosophy-on-Earth--&p=1351095#post1351095

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1350001&viewfull=1#post1350001

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Chris
Ps I am a salesman for non-duality -- smiling.

[Agape]

End of transmission . Time out

🐾

[araucaria]

Folks, if this poster is not a machine, he is doing a very good impression of one. The only answer is no answer.

[Baby Steps]

So lets say Shot is sincere, and leave the hell stuff to one side for a mo.

You are defining a group of people living on earth, with different types of souls that technologically enable them to revitalise their human vessels at will. This technique is not available to most human souls.

These entities know more about the game being played here, they are not all benign, but mostly.

Are they here to follow diverse personal missions or is there a broad agenda they are working towards?

Is there a secret body of knowledge that they keep and share amongst themselves, or do they incarnate with special knowledge?


Do they see potential for this human society to progress, but presumably moderate their interventions because of free will?

Are they linked to a particular civilisation in the universe?

Is there anything you feel able to tell us about the current dramas on earth that might help stabilise things

Is there anything you can tell us about the energy tech used to revitalise the human vessel

What is the reason for this announcement now?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Back when Ben Abba was working this issue, he mentioned his subject had been around a long time. IF you say 100-200 years ago, it would be easy to walk about from country to country in the Mediterranean area. NOW, papers are needed. Passports. Drivers License. Just HOW do you live forever in a new complicated world? OR do you find an island and live alone?

You would know my answer to this if you read my previous posts,

There are a lot more immortals walking around than you can imagine,
Many work in governmental departments or related (companies hired by the government)

That includes places you get birth certificates etc,

Remember how you would hear about how a spy would get a new identity during the Cold War?, it’s the same,

But yes, they need to get a new identity every so many years, sometimes moving to another country, most don’t,

EXCUSE me but HOW in heck would an IMMORTAL be able to TOLERATE the deadly dulldom of the beurocratic state. OMG that would be living hell.


That’s right Delight, no soul liberated from the delusions and traps of human existence would enjoy the “offers” of the state, or life with limited identities
and competences,
even if it meant honors in the human sense
such are quite intolerable and insignificant compared
to real meaning of life with all it has to offer.

All we have ever heard about true immortals who can appear and disappear at their wish is that they hide forever from human sight except for brief moments.

If they’ve ever shown themselves in the past
they do not come out to open these days anymore

not because they would fear anything
but because human minds are too spoiled nowadays
to be instructed


🌟

Most real immortals are not guru’s, neither do they have a desire to be,
There job is to move amongst humans and help them,

It’s a lot more practical than you think,

Do you know the phrase
Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.


That’s true perhaps (as in correct) but YOU as an individual have no direct and clear insight to who I am or what I really think.

There is no need for an argument, proofs of who you “really are”, not for me at least.

You just don’t know whom you’re talking to here or what they really think. Neither can majority of this forum claim any such clear insight that would be extraordinary and on spot. You’re responding to “posts”, not people and their true thoughts.

I believe you are on your spiritual journey and that’s fine but please stop claiming to be “enlightened” or “true immortal embodied”.
It’s disgraceful and we have seen many such “aspirants” here trying to best guess people while they were usually about 90% off.

I’ve had many friends in past( not my students)
who got to such ironical convictions at some point
of their spiritual journey after getting one of those
“small insights” ( kensho in Japanese Buddhist terminology)
that made them speak and act “as if”
they were already “there”.

Some of them end up living very isolated for the rest of their lives
due to their convictions,
making one mistake after another with judging others.

Yet it’s nearly impossible to explain to any of you and them
why you are not “enlightened” or “true immortal” and what’s the difference

but only talking about it “as if it was true”.

Even if I say that one with direct knowledge can not present themselves “as such” or talk of such matters, either in private or in public
it does not make good sense to you, it seems.

It is why there are teaching lineages ( guru shishya parampara),
and 3 Jewels of Buddhism are Buddha, Dharma AND Sangha.
Someone more enlightened than you currently are have to guide you
and approve you,
not one person but whole many of them before you are allowed
to give teachings.

Just repeating Zen sayings and what others said elsewhere is called parroting and no one with original mind needs to speak or listen to this.


There is huge difference between real knowledge and “internet arts”.


🐾

Do you judge me by the same standards you judge yourself?
Measure your own comments by your standards and you fall,

So you’ve read a book, you think you know stuff, you don’t
You just end up fooling those you can trick in to believing you have more knowledge than them, like a fake guru,

Go ahead, fool them, it’s their choice, their free will to choose,
It’s easy to trick people with falsehoods and lies,
Lies can accommodate anything, whatever you want, or expect to see,

The truth is more limited, and not always accommodating, It doesn’t care about your cliches, or assumptions

But one is real,
The other false,
Which do you want?
Why are you here?
What should this site stand for?
Is it an attempt to understand the unknown?
Or entertain with throw away BS?
How many people here really have any experience in what they talk about?
How many lie? (What do they have to gain? Are they long term members? Is it the “opinion of others” they crave above anything else? If so that’s no longer an environment for the pursuit of truth, but a toxic inscestous stagnant pond, the same old, same old, because if you don’t wear the jacket you can’t come in, f—k the truth)

I hear invalid complaints
Why are you here?
There must be a ton of things you disagree on in other threads, so if you don’t believe me, and you don’t have a question, and you have nothing positive to contribute to the thread, why are you here? Why do you make things up to try to attack me? (It’s obviously not a valid one, or you wouldn’t need to make stuff up, right?)

Imagine, for a second what this is like,
You are telling people the truth,
Now, imagine people with no knowledge of the subject trying to tell you “the facts” when they clearly have no knowledge or experience of such...just cliches and stereotypes, not reality,
Now add to that baseless assumptions, (that come out of nowhere) and unfounded accusations (again, out of nowhere) aimed at you, (if they have to make up stuff to attack you, then what is their real motivation?)
Now add to that that many haven’t even read the posts,

So, a lot of ignorance, baseless assumptions and accusations,
And if you haven’t even read the posts, then what are you basing all that BS on?

No logic, No reason, and as it’s factually unjustified, unethical,
I’m not responsible for what people pull out of their ass,
Neither should I be held accountable for their delusions,
If you have valid justification, Show Me Where,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

ShotAccrossThe Bow
You really are wasting your time.
The great majority of Avalonians have been around a long time and as pointed out have heard the story and similar that you tell quite a few times.
Why dont you be quiet and investigate this forum in particular the Spiritual Section-- you just might learn something
Jesus said "Be still and know that I am God" why not follow that advice.

Chris

That’s a sad reply from someone who should know better,
I’m not here to be an “Avalonians“ I’m here to disclose a truth,

Which do you value more?

Regardless this is the Avalon Community that you requested to join and were accepted as a member.
I and other have done you the courtesy of responding to your thread.
Have you even visited the Spiritual section?
Your are a member of this community and therfore as defined an Avalonian -- please do not abuse this privilege.
All you are doing is giving me the opportunity to promote threads in the spiritual section.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108625-Advaita-Vedanta---The-Greatest-Philosophy-on-Earth--&p=1351095#post1351095

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1350001&viewfull=1#post1350001

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Chris
Ps I am a salesman for non-duality -- smiling.

I’m not interested in jackets, just the truth,

This site is meant to represent a hub of information, a place to at least attempt to make sense and understand the truth,
Not a exclusive club or fraternity,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

By the time I’ve payed attention to this thread and your postings
I understand now who you are and why Bill labeled you as mentally unwell and possibly more dangerous than you believe to be.

You are super sarcastic and basically “trolling”, ignoring the fact that this is very big forum with long history and many knowledgeable people aspiring to join the dots between science and spirituality( read the headers please).

You’ve also claimed yourself Catholic and lived among Buddhists for some time, without studying the teachings or taking precepts.

In that short time from yesterday and each time I tried to respond here, I have got erroneous message about “servers overwhelmed”, some redirects that rarely happen
that’s why my own post too was doubled last night,
in the middle of writing.

It could mean someone was trying to hijack my IP that’s why I’m using VPN now.

But you are not going to destroy the forum, are you ?



I’m unhappy if you are one of my “friends” playing very dirty game with us and super sarcasm is off the way of helping others or way to enlightenment.


I’m not a moderator but long standing member and telling you there is nothing to achieve here by dirty tricks and manipulation.

Sorry for yesterdays words of support: I came from “another space”, and forgot what’s really going on “here”.

Hope all of the thread will be removed. This is certainly not the Way

What?
Where do you get this crap?

Sarcasm? Guess they wasted their time when they invented the emoji,
Thats your perception of things, your own bias, not fact,

No, I’ve never (nor stated that I did so) “lived among Buddhists“
When did Buddhists have anything to do with what I’ve said?

Where are you getting this from?

What? You think I’m a hacker as well?, nope, been struggling with my own devices (every time I attempt to go public in fact,) been seeing the same problem at this site as well,

Would it be fair to assume you think I hacked my self as well?
(I feel the need to point out that was just humour and not sarcasm)

The only “dirty tricks and manipulation” are coming from you,
Nothing you have stated in your post is true, but it’s weird you think it’s okay to make such baseless claims up,

You understand that a detachment from reality is a symptom of mental illness,

I’m sure most of the criticism is due to either a misunderstanding (fair enough) or psychological projection (in the case of baseless unfounded comments, like yours)

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Folks, if this poster is not a machine, he is doing a very good impression of one. The only answer is no answer.

And you came to that conclusion how?
Or is this just more baseless allegations?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

So lets say Shot is sincere, and leave the hell stuff to one side for a mo.

You are defining a group of people living on earth, with different types of souls that technologically enable them to revitalise their human vessels at will. This technique is not available to most human souls.

These entities know more about the game being played here, they are not all benign, but mostly.

Are they here to follow diverse personal missions or is there a broad agenda they are working towards?

Is there a secret body of knowledge that they keep and share amongst themselves, or do they incarnate with special knowledge?


Do they see potential for this human society to progress, but presumably moderate their interventions because of free will?

Are they linked to a particular civilisation in the universe?

Is there anything you feel able to tell us about the current dramas on earth that might help stabilise things

Is there anything you can tell us about the energy tech used to revitalise the human vessel

What is the reason for this announcement now?

Thank you for your questions,

Technically they are not human, they just look human,
They can regenerate from injuries and age (they can look any age, and unlike the stereotype don’t stay a certain age, most look middle aged, but once they get a new identity they can take a year and look decades younger if they want)

The technique was known and used by humans in the past, but that caused problems
(When you have a large group of bad people that can last thousands of years it can create a straggle hold on the world, the everything needs to get destroyed for a reset, last time was Atlantis, but it happened a few times before that) the solution was to limit the life span (imagine what the world would look like if Nero, attila the hun, Hitler etc could have lived for centuries)

Most of the people (immortals) are here to help one way or other
And the vast majority are good people, (there are some that are unpleasant but they are rare)

But they answer to a higher level, a hierarchy (on a higher dimension)
They can screw up big time sometimes, but they in turn have to answer to their higher level etc,

They (immortals) have a “life plan” before they come to Earth just like everyone else,
It’s mostly “service to others” type of things, (never service to self)
They are here to help in the broadest sense, (it depends on the “higher ups” who often choose)

You don’t incarnate with special knowledge per say, but there is an education that’s involved, it’s secret but not in an occult type way, (most don’t have anything to do with the occult) it’s just secrecy to stop humans making life hard and complicated if they found out,

Yes, they see potential in humans, that’s why they all volunteer to come here, to serve,‘interventions” are only to help, when they see a need, or are told to,

No one race, but many many races,
Earth is considered a tough assignment,

Yes, the worst of it is over, it came very close to being a hell on Earth,
It would have been horrific (I have to be selective in what I say to some people, if they had an idea how it was going to be it would damage some, but bad, worse than any horror film)

Not saying it’s all over, but the worst part is,
Q is legit, and the world owns a massive debt to those people,

The bad guys are dying, they loose more control every day,
The walls are closing in, but Q is playing the smartest game of chess/poker I have ever seen,

The world is lucky to have them,

Don’t worry, the future looks amazing,
once the institutionalises evil is removed it will have a trickle down effect globally, (Where We Go One We Go All, is literally true)

You and your children will see amazing thing happen,
You will have a better standard of living, a safer happier life, more freedoms
People aren’t really aware of how oppressed and abused they are, most have acclimatised to it thinking it’s normal,

There has always been a better choice,
Just evil subverted and perverted many positions of power over the centuries,
Lied to you has to why things were like they were,

That is currently being systematically destroyed,

Don’t believe the fear porn, things are going to get better,

I don’t know of any technology that “revitalise the human vessel”
But I don’t know everything,

The main reason for me doing this is to put pressure for change, (higher ups) I tried everything for many years to change something that was wrong, to say it fell on deaf ears is an understatement, I was forced to do this, I never wanted to do this, it’s just the last resort,

I’ve tried o keep it simple but if you need me to clarify anything let me know, I’ll do what I can

[Jad]

Why would I lie to you brother? I got the book on my kindle and read the first 5 chapters then I stopped cause I felt it was too much New Age fluff for my taste. She is advising people to give up their power of choice and let the angels decide the best course of action to them because they know better than us. She also talked about the ministry of angels and how every possible activity has its own specialized angel for example her mom even had a sewing angel to help her with her sewing work. She talks about her husband’s sales angel who helped him with his sales.

Look at Corey Good for example, he claims to be an ambassador of an alien race to help humanity with their spiritual ascension. Do you believe him? After all he is always harping about love and light and how we need to learn meditation to calm our minds etc..

[Baby Steps]

The main reason for me doing this is to put pressure for change, (higher ups) I tried everything for many years to change something that was wrong, to say it fell on deaf ears is an understatement, I was forced to do this, I never wanted to do this, it’s just the last resort,

I’ve tried o keep it simple but if you need me to clarify anything let me know, I’ll do what I can

many thanks for this - what are you trying to get the higher ups to do or allow?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Why would I lie to you brother? I got the book on my kindle and read the first 5 chapters then I stopped cause I felt it was too much New Age fluff for my taste. She is advising people to give up their power of choice and let the angels decide the best course of action to them because they know better than us. She also talked about the ministry of angels and how every possible activity has its own specialized angel for example her mom even had a sewing angel to help her with her sewing work. She talks about her husband’s sales angel who helped him with his sales.

Look at Corey Good for example, he claims to be an ambassador of an alien race to help humanity with their spiritual ascension. Do you believe him? After all he is always harping about love and light and how we need to learn meditation to calm our minds etc..

Corey Goode is full of crap

The book you are talking about is called “Ask your Guides”

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fgVNu7F0Y

Nothing ever truly dies, everything transforms

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Right on my friend. Show us all your colors and shades, I love colors.

Long rants are generally unworthy responding to. It’s a stressful time for couple billions of people nowadays, sitting home worrying about the illusory power of their governments and viruses. Like I said yesterday I am not stirred.

You are entertaining, yourself I mean. The rest of the human world with its endless arguments is just like that.

No matter what you say it’s a saying.


So go for the illusion of feeling over others, the knowns and the unknowns. Spill all the beans, have a rant. I am not obliged to respond or be involved with you,
realise we all have own lives, minds and right to our freedoms.


No one is obliged to give you any information here, get involved or triggered.


Neither there is any frequency to be shared.


Let’s consider this whole conversation absurd abstract :) it’s so illusory anyone can read it if they quite “did not have a day” and laugh a lot.

A


There’s lots of “you , you and you “ are in fault in your posts, from the very beginning. Read your own posts and realise they are rather unpleasant to read as long as you seem to see everyone else as “you bellow my belt”.

As I’ve said earlier, any friend who took that stand was ultimately left to it. No one needs to be called out, humiliated, colloquially compared and reduced to a number.

Why are you posting in this thread?
To complain?
To make crap up?

To try to get me to react in a negative way?
If you have nothing to ask, nothing to add, only complaints, what is the purpose to that? What makes your effort worthwhile? Why keep doing it?
You keep trying to derail the thread, (with your made up unrelated crap)
You are also trying to be toxic, (constantly negative, and attempts to provoke)


Go look up “psychological projection” then look at your complaints, do you see a pattern there?
Does it look similar to your complaints?

[DeDukshyn]

You claim to have an important "truth" to reveal ... if this is 'so important' to reveal, how about you apologize to all the people you have offended, and start a new thread without all the condescending arrogance and bull****, cut the "ask me questions" crap, and spill out your 'truth'.

If it is really that important, as you claim, you'll do this. If you really don't have an important truth, and you are here for other reasons you are not telling, then I suspect you'll just continue as you are ...

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

The main reason for me doing this is to put pressure for change, (higher ups) I tried everything for many years to change something that was wrong, to say it fell on deaf ears is an understatement, I was forced to do this, I never wanted to do this, it’s just the last resort,

I’ve tried o keep it simple but if you need me to clarify anything let me know, I’ll do what I can

many thanks for this - what are you trying to get the higher ups to do or allow?

That’s a long list of wrong, smacks of corruption left right and centre,
I don’t know how extensive the corruption is, but it’s bad,

I’m trying to get the attention of the next higher authority above them to notice what they are doing, and stop them,
It’s a lot more serious than I’m giving details of right now, but if you can imagine the magnitude of the secrecy about this subject, and that I’m willing to give their secrets to the world, you may be able to appreciate the severity of the situation, it’s bad,

If things don’t get better soon, I will elaborate further, but it’s a sensitive issue,
It would mean escalating the issue,

But if it goes that far, I’ll also give you the name of an immortal (for remote viewing practice)
I’ll give you the details of my life path mission (why I’m here, my job was very different to theirs, it was very specific)
And other things they are very worried about me disclosing

[Ernie Nemeth]

As the title suggests, the subject matter I have to disclose is “immortality” believe it or not this is true,

First line of the op...

Are you disclosing the subject or are you adding to the topic. So far it seems you are merely disclosing there is such a topic.

And your closed-mouth approach has elicited rancor, understandably.

And instead of expanding on the subject to put minds at ease you decide to attack and take umbrage.

Not cool.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

You claim to have an important "truth" to reveal ... if this is 'so important' to reveal, how about you apologize to all the people you have offended, and start a new thread without all the condescending arrogance and bull****, cut the "ask me questions" crap, and spill out your 'truth'.

If it is really that important, as you claim, you'll do this. If you really don't have an important truth, and you are here for other reasons you are not telling, then I suspect you'll just continue as you are ...

Sorry, not going to jump through your crazy hoops,
If you have nothing constructive to say, or questions to ask, stop posting in this thread,
Or what’s your goal here?

[DeDukshyn]

You claim to have an important "truth" to reveal ... if this is 'so important' to reveal, how about you apologize to all the people you have offended, and start a new thread without all the condescending arrogance and bull****, cut the "ask me questions" crap, and spill out your 'truth'.

If it is really that important, as you claim, you'll do this. If you really don't have an important truth, and you are here for other reasons you are not telling, then I suspect you'll just continue as you are ...

Sorry, not going to jump through your crazy hoops,
If you have nothing constructive to say, or questions to ask, stop posting in this thread,
Or what’s your goal here?

You mean your crazy hoops ... do what you said you are here to do - reveal your truth ... or were you here for other reasons than those you claim?

And for god's sake, cut the "ask me questions" BS ... we know what that is all about.

Or should we just take the point that you actually have nothing important to offer ... ?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

As the title suggests, the subject matter I have to disclose is “immortality” believe it or not this is true,

First line of the op...

Are you disclosing the subject or are you adding to the topic. So far it seems you are merely disclosing there is such a topic.

And your closed-mouth approach has elicited rancor, understandably.

And instead of expanding on the subject to put minds at ease you decide to attack and take umbrage.

Not cool.

Pay attention, reread my posts,
And it’s me that is getting attacked,

Do you have a question?

You want answers ask a question, be specific,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

You claim to have an important "truth" to reveal ... if this is 'so important' to reveal, how about you apologize to all the people you have offended, and start a new thread without all the condescending arrogance and bull****, cut the "ask me questions" crap, and spill out your 'truth'.

If it is really that important, as you claim, you'll do this. If you really don't have an important truth, and you are here for other reasons you are not telling, then I suspect you'll just continue as you are ...

Sorry, not going to jump through your crazy hoops,
If you have nothing constructive to say, or questions to ask, stop posting in this thread,
Or what’s your goal here?

You mean your crazy hoops ... do what you said you are here to do - reveal your truth ... or were you here for other reasons than those you claim?

And for god's sake, cut the "ask me questions" BS ... we know what that is all about.


I already have said many times now, if you have a question ask,
If you only want to be negative leave, you attempts to provoke will always fail

[DeDukshyn]

You claim to have an important "truth" to reveal ... if this is 'so important' to reveal, how about you apologize to all the people you have offended, and start a new thread without all the condescending arrogance and bull****, cut the "ask me questions" crap, and spill out your 'truth'.

If it is really that important, as you claim, you'll do this. If you really don't have an important truth, and you are here for other reasons you are not telling, then I suspect you'll just continue as you are ...

Sorry, not going to jump through your crazy hoops,
If you have nothing constructive to say, or questions to ask, stop posting in this thread,
Or what’s your goal here?

You mean your crazy hoops ... do what you said you are here to do - reveal your truth ... or were you here for other reasons than those you claim?

And for god's sake, cut the "ask me questions" BS ... we know what that is all about.


I already have said many times now, if you have a question ask,
If you only want to be negative leave, you attempts to provoke will always fail

So ... suggesting that you apologize to those you have offended, start again, and state 'your truth' properly, is 'provoking' to you ... that is telling ...


Edit: and it should be noteworthy that many are asking questions that you refuse to answer. Really helps to guide the narrative in a direction you want while making it seem like you are just 'answering peoples questions' Isn't it a wonderful tactic? You must be well trained.

It was first indicated that you might just be very mentally unwell, now I see that is not the case.

Here's a question ... why do you blatantly refuse to start a new thread and reveal your 'truth' without requiring people to ask you questions?

A specific question. Answer it.

[Delight]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

[greybeard]

The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

[DeDukshyn]

The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

Indeed. I thought that just a few minutes ago.

[araucaria]

The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

Indeed. I thought that just a few minutes ago.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose:


There are 36000 ways to be unoriginal, but only one way to be original. That's what you came to do: against 36000:1 odds.
Bon courage :)

[Delight]

I have noted some parameters about the purpose of physical immortality presented. Here, "deathless" physicality seems NOT for the purpose of SELF enlightenment but to be permanent players of something akin to a chess game and to keep applying pressure to retain a status quo. One only needs passports when passports are needed. An egregore of "detached" consciousness is invested in a "plan" which is couched in terms vaguely sounding like "property management and manipulation of species". Some of Shot's cohorts seem to be have gone off the rails. He seems to be looking for them. He wants to "flush them out". Did they "go native"?

[DeDukshyn]

The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

Almost exactly identical ... the more I think about it, the more I think this is him. Or at least had the exact same training ...

But if you consider the videos ... the way he talked, and then the dialogue of Shot, hmmm ... you could read his posts with that voice and it would line up pretty much exactly.

I wonder if Bill or the mods / admins have thoughts on that.

[MalteseKnight]

Immortality does exist...Thee are about 180 such individuals at present...just as there are roughly 10 time travelers around ..according to what define as immortality. You may wish to explore Ben Abba..Bill, I suggest you make contact with the most capable clairvoyant you can access, you will be rather surprised at the answers you will be able secure. :wizard: Karl Marx one famously said that humanity only reaches consciousnesses only little by little ...perhaps he was right on that point alone :p

If you look at it from one perspective humans were put together from genetic material of long lived humanoids as acts as disposable slaves with a built in termination date. Surpass the limitation imposed by such and there you have your answer. ...a greater input of genetic material of longer lived humanoids would tend to lead to longevity. ...so at least in some cases your 'immortal' is semi alien...thus having a higher proportion of Atlanean, Lemurian and or reptilian genetic material than the average human. On another track, remote viewing of immortals has indicated them to be bisexual. The Jews are an interesting lot ...they were created with a higher percentage of reptilian, Atlantean and Lemurian as a sop to the reptilians in order for the former to be more sympathetic to them ...did not quite out as the Jews are the group which have been most historically disadvantaged by Zionism...A case in point, Hitler's rise to power was in part funded by Zionist banks whose controllers where attempting to stick to a time line which involved the creation of the State of Israel...Excuse me for going off topic somewhat... The off planet aliens both in the Hollow Earth and otherwise cannot really gauge forecast human behavior ...so the experience and knowledge these wise 'immortals' are utilized in order in order to gauge how appropriate interventions should be deployed vis a vis the humans. Beyond these 'immortals' is a lower tier of intermediaries who usually unconsciously carry out the same function. The situation works as follows: if a country has a Northern and a Southern part you would have roughly balanced intermediaries from both parts ..one would also attempt to seek gender balance between both parts .... When one is selected to become an agent one will feel neck pains for a transition period as implants are uploaded...very much as Alice [Alice in Wonderland] felt as she was about to descend underground .....

[Tintin]

I wonder if Bill or the mods / admins have thoughts on that.



*NOTE (mainly to myself): thanks for asking. The truth is, not at this time, but I'll make a note to follow up any concerns for later on today.

ALL
In the meantime if folks could please try and exercise some degree of decorum here on this thread it would be very much appreciated :flower:

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best

Not one of the critics so far have said anything close to truth nor based on anything I have stated?

If you are simply make **** up why are you bothering to post here?
I don’t know about your personal bad experience here, and I don’t care, I’m not responsible for what others have done to you in the past,
Nor should I have to deal with your baseless bias or prejudice,

If you don’t want to discuss this in a sane rational way, then what are you doing?,

If you want to criticise me for something, then let it be a valid reason, not made up bull****,

Yes I get it, you don’t believe me, that’s fine,
Not trying to sell you on it, it’s all good, just like every other subject on the net, no one has a gun to your head,

But why do you try to attack why total lies?
You don’t have a valid reason?

If it’s not based on anything I’ve done, that you need to create lies, and then criticise me for your made up BS
What does that say?

Is that not insane?

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The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

I’m not responsible for what other people do,
Get your facts straight,

¤=[Post Update]=¤



The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

Almost exactly identical ... the more I think about it, the more I think this is him. Or at least had the exact same training ...

But if you consider the videos ... the way he talked, and then the dialogue of Shot, hmmm ... you could read his posts with that voice and it would line up pretty much exactly.

I wonder if Bill or the mods / admins have thoughts on that.

Why am I not surprised?

If you don’t have anything constructive to add to the thread, why are you posting here?
Spam?

What is your motivation, it’s not the subject matter,

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Immortality does exist...Thee are about 180 such individuals at present...just as there are roughly 10 time travelers around ..according to what define as immortality. You may wish to explore Ben Abba..Bill, I suggest you make contact with the most capable clairvoyant you can access, you will be rather surprised at the answers you will be able secure. :wizard: Karl Marx one famously said that humanity only reaches consciousnesses only little by little ...perhaps he was right on that point alone :p

If you look at it from one perspective humans were put together from genetic material of long lived humanoids as acts as disposable slaves with a built in termination date. Surpass the limitation imposed by such and there you have your answer. ...a greater input of genetic material of longer lived humanoids would tend to lead to longevity. ...so at least in some cases your 'immortal' is semi alien...thus having a higher proportion of Atlanean, Lemurian and or reptilian genetic material than the average human. On another track, remote viewing of immortals has indicated them to be bisexual. The Jews are an interesting lot ...they were created with a higher percentage of reptilian, Atlantean and Lemurian as a sop to the reptilians in order for the former to be more sympathetic to them ...did not quite out as the Jews are the group which have been most historically disadvantaged by Zionism...A case in point, Hitler's rise to power was in part funded by Zionist banks whose controllers where attempting to stick to a time line which involved the creation of the State of Israel...Excuse me for going off topic somewhat... The off planet aliens both in the Hollow Earth and otherwise cannot really gauge forecast human behavior ...so the experience and knowledge these wise 'immortals' are utilized in order in order to gauge how appropriate interventions should be deployed vis a vis the humans. Beyond these 'immortals' is a lower tier of intermediaries who usually unconsciously carry out the same function. The situation works as follows: if a country has a Northern and a Southern part you would have roughly balanced intermediaries from both parts ..one would also attempt to seek gender balance between both parts .... When one is selected to become an agent one will feel neck pains for a transition period as implants are uploaded...very much as Alice [Alice in Wonderland] felt as she was about to descend underground .....

A lot more than 180 immortals, it’s more like tens of thousands world wide,
You don’t need to be “enlightened” to be immortal, (it’s just a cliche)

Has for time travellers, they are real,

[Tintin]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best

Not one of the critics so far have said anything close to truth nor based on anything I have stated?

If you are simply make **** up why are you bothering to post here?
I don’t know about your personal bad experience here, and I don’t care, I’m not responsible for what others have done to you in the past,
Nor should I have to deal with your baseless bias or prejudice,

If you don’t want to discuss this in a sane rational way, then what are you doing?,

If you want to criticise me for something, then let it be a valid reason, not made up bull****,

Yes I get it, you don’t believe me, that’s fine,
Not trying to sell you on it, it’s all good, just like every other subject on the net, no one has a gun to your head,

But why do you try to attack why total lies?
You don’t have a valid reason?

If it’s not based on anything I’ve done, that you need to create lies, and then criticise me for your made up BS
What does that say?

Is that not insane?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

I’m not responsible for what other people do,
Get your facts straight,



Could you please read this post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351744&viewfull=1#post1351744. Thank you.

We are extremely busy here in the engine room of the forum with imminent technical improvements being undertaken for the benefit of everyone here on the forum, and also we're a little thin on the ground, temporarily so, I ask again, so that our work is not being unnecessarily disrupted that conversation is kept strictly respectful, and polite.



If this very reasonable request of mine continues to be ignored then i may be forced to close the thread completely, something I do NOT wish to have recourse to do

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best

Not one of the critics so far have said anything close to truth nor based on anything I have stated?

If you are simply make **** up why are you bothering to post here?
I don’t know about your personal bad experience here, and I don’t care, I’m not responsible for what others have done to you in the past,
Nor should I have to deal with your baseless bias or prejudice,

If you don’t want to discuss this in a sane rational way, then what are you doing?,

If you want to criticise me for something, then let it be a valid reason, not made up bull****,

Yes I get it, you don’t believe me, that’s fine,
Not trying to sell you on it, it’s all good, just like every other subject on the net, no one has a gun to your head,

But why do you try to attack why total lies?
You don’t have a valid reason?

If it’s not based on anything I’ve done, that you need to create lies, and then criticise me for your made up BS
What does that say?

Is that not insane?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

I’m not responsible for what other people do,
Get your facts straight,



Could you please read this post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351744&viewfull=1#post1351744. Thank you.

We are extremely busy here in the engine room of the forum with imminent technical improvements being undertaken for the benefit of everyone here on the forum, and also we're a little thin on the ground, temporarily so, I ask again, so that our work is not being unnecessarily disrupted that conversation is kept strictly respectful, and polite.

I’ve been confronted many times now, by statements that have no absolutely no basis in anything I’ve stated nor facts independent of those stated,
Constant baseless accusations, that are blatantly trying to undermine my character or credibility
I am constantly being accused of things that the accusers made up, (what am I supposed to say to that, it’s insane, calling someone out to “check the facts” is being polite)

What am I supposed to do?
Shouldn’t you pulling up those that make baseless negative accusations,

You can see what’s going on, Why are you not stopping this?

MOD REQUEST: please address any concerns you may have on a PM to me, not on this thread, and keep any further commentary strictly focused on the subject matter at hand. Thank you.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best

Not one of the critics so far have said anything close to truth nor based on anything I have stated?

If you are simply make **** up why are you bothering to post here?
I don’t know about your personal bad experience here, and I don’t care, I’m not responsible for what others have done to you in the past,
Nor should I have to deal with your baseless bias or prejudice,

If you don’t want to discuss this in a sane rational way, then what are you doing?,

If you want to criticise me for something, then let it be a valid reason, not made up bull****,

Yes I get it, you don’t believe me, that’s fine,
Not trying to sell you on it, it’s all good, just like every other subject on the net, no one has a gun to your head,

But why do you try to attack why total lies?
You don’t have a valid reason?

If it’s not based on anything I’ve done, that you need to create lies, and then criticise me for your made up BS
What does that say?

Is that not insane?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

I’m not responsible for what other people do,
Get your facts straight,



Could you please read this post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351744&viewfull=1#post1351744. Thank you.

We are extremely busy here in the engine room of the forum with imminent technical improvements being undertaken for the benefit of everyone here on the forum, and also we're a little thin on the ground, temporarily so, I ask again, so that our work is not being unnecessarily disrupted that conversation is kept strictly respectful, and polite.

I’ve been confronted many times now, by statements that have no absolutely no basis in anything I’ve stated nor facts independent of those stated,
Constant baseless accusations, that are blatantly trying to undermine my character or credibility
I am constantly being accused of things that the accusers made up, (what am I supposed to say to that, it’s insane, calling someone out to “check the facts” is being polite)

What am I supposed to do?
Shouldn’t you pulling up those that make baseless negative accusations,

You can see what’s going on, Why are you not stopping this?

MOD REQUEST: please address any concerns you may have on a PM to me, not on this thread, and keep any further commentary strictly focused on the subject matter at hand. Thank you.

Why are you telling me this, if you look at my previous posts you can see that I have been trying to do that,
Yet you didn’t jump on the ones that where doing the very thing you drew attention to, do you think I was the one that needed to be reminded,

Btw how do want me to send you a PM, via your profile?

[Tintin]

Please send me a message via the 'Private Messages' option under the 'Forum' tab that you see towards your left on that screen.

As per:

43307



Thanks.

[DeDukshyn]

...

What is your motivation, it’s not the subject matter,

I'm not sure what the subject matter is, you a great immortal - as per your opening post, or this "secret truth" you claim to want to somehow reveal by asking people to ask you questions.

If I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you can explain a few things that aren't related to people asking you questions. That would actually be helpful and would be the most appropriate template if you truly are here just to share.

[Mashika]

This thread is not intended for humans. This thread is not intended to disclose anything. This thread is posted for the OP's private reasons. However, using deduction, I have learned: those David Icke assumes are "reptillian" are identified here as "immortals". The "tell" is the depth of appreciation for hierarchical structure, inability to understand what is "deadly dull" in the statist bureaucracy AND the sadly deficient ability for "them" to have a personal relationship with "Source". One need not bother here if not in the target audience.

Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best

Not one of the critics so far have said anything close to truth nor based on anything I have stated?

If you are simply make **** up why are you bothering to post here?
I don’t know about your personal bad experience here, and I don’t care, I’m not responsible for what others have done to you in the past,
Nor should I have to deal with your baseless bias or prejudice,

If you don’t want to discuss this in a sane rational way, then what are you doing?,

If you want to criticise me for something, then let it be a valid reason, not made up bull****,

Yes I get it, you don’t believe me, that’s fine,
Not trying to sell you on it, it’s all good, just like every other subject on the net, no one has a gun to your head,

But why do you try to attack why total lies?
You don’t have a valid reason?

If it’s not based on anything I’ve done, that you need to create lies, and then criticise me for your made up BS
What does that say?

Is that not insane?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The style is so similar to the last person claiming to know a truth, ask me a question, that it may be the same one -- dont you think?
Chris

I’m not responsible for what other people do,
Get your facts straight,



Could you please read this post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351744&viewfull=1#post1351744. Thank you.

We are extremely busy here in the engine room of the forum with imminent technical improvements being undertaken for the benefit of everyone here on the forum, and also we're a little thin on the ground, temporarily so, I ask again, so that our work is not being unnecessarily disrupted that conversation is kept strictly respectful, and polite.

I’ve been confronted many times now, by statements that have no absolutely no basis in anything I’ve stated nor facts independent of those stated,
Constant baseless accusations, that are blatantly trying to undermine my character or credibility
I am constantly being accused of things that the accusers made up, (what am I supposed to say to that, it’s insane, calling someone out to “check the facts” is being polite)

What am I supposed to do?
Shouldn’t you pulling up those that make baseless negative accusations,

You can see what’s going on, Why are you not stopping this?

MOD REQUEST: please address any concerns you may have on a PM to me, not on this thread, and keep any further commentary strictly focused on the subject matter at hand. Thank you.

Why are you telling me this, if you look at my previous posts you can see that I have been trying to do that,
Yet you didn’t jump on the ones that where doing the very thing you drew attention to, do you think I was the one that needed to be reminded,

Btw how do want me to send you a PM, via your profile?

Why are you so angry?

There's a lot of stuff you don't understand, that's why i did not reply anymore on the other thread we were talking

Start by considering this, no one deserves special attention or respect unless they earned it, and just saying "i'm in a situation where i have more knowledge and power than you, and i want to talk about it" doesn't earn you anything at all, anything

So why do you expect people to somehow be nice and cool when you are looking down on them, because you are not self aware about it but yes you look down on people, it can be seen through the way you talk to others. "Ask me questions" implies you know more or better than other people, yet you have provided zero evidence this is true

And you get mad because people question and tell them to go away, you did not came to discuss, you came to indoctrinate? To gather people around you that will listen but not question?

This doesn't make you look like someone high profile, you lost your cool very easy, and that's not something high profile people do.

Whatever knowledge you have, it has been hidden away by you so far, you keep going about something but is not clear what that is, you talk about immortality and the "higher ups" and such and such, but nothing you have said so far is of any consequence to anyone at all, no real pressure to disclose anything and even if you did it would just be another one on the web talking about something they claim to be true while providing zero evidence. This is pointless then

And you wonder why people question you and get angry at them? This says more about you than the people questioning.

Telling someone this is not how a high profile and highly educated person would react to criticism, you are not self aware at this point on how this makes you look


Then please feel free to not post in this thread, if all you are going to do is make crap up, it’s just spam, at best


And it is authoritarian in a way, basically "you won't be allowed to show disrespect or question my narrative, and if you try, you will go away!"

I find your knowledge and attitude about the entire thing 'lacking'

Throwing a temper tantrum is not how you show experience in life or how knowledgable you are, just saying..

I have been called immature plenty of times and yes that's mostly true and i'll figure it out some day, just not right now. And still i found you to act like someone who can't stand having someone question you, and that's immature

I know a few very high profile people, they don't act like you did here just because someone didn't like their comment or does not agree

This is a forum, people discuss subjects and move towards reaching understanding, by complaining that someone questioned your narrative, you have displayed more than you wanted about yourself. You are not prepared to discuss and possibly reach a different understanding of this subject, you have final answers to this subject. You expect questions that fall inside your narrative, not questions that challenge it.

Except you have provided zero evidence about what you say being truth, and i don't think that will change at all by how this turned out so far

Next thing can only be that all listeners here must have some form of faith that you are being honest :happy dog:

I ver much doubt that any "higher up" would choose to allow you access to inner knowledge which is possibly dangerous to them, if you are so easily lost in anger and fail to keep your cool in some website, when talking to people you don't even know in person.

People who have to deal with inner knowledge or be "in" is always harder than that, smart and with steel nerves, they are not lost to simple arguments, they are not lead easily into anger and make mistakes or get angry like you did here

I don't believe you are who you say you are due to this, i have seen the real deal before, and i know people who ARE the real deal, you have not displayed anything remotely close to how they behave due to life experiences and education and the danger and pressure they go through day by day. And i will call you on that if i see it, and i'm sorry if it makes you mad but you have proven yourself through your own words, to be lacking in what the real deal requires to be in the position you claim to be

That's all

-

Just thought about this now, you may be a victim of compartmentalization, both in the tactic to generate false information and see who shares it and in the psychological sense, you should really consider this

[edina]

Shot wouldn't know we have this history, and he may not know that his story sounds very peculiarly like picked up parts from the Stephen Hodges story ... again, from Avalon history, so he may not understand why all the skepticism.

Never heard of Stephen Hodges,

ahhh...

If people reading Shot associated him with Stephen (AKA Charles, or Atticus), then this would help explain the attitude I'm seeing here. :)

Some people reading may be interested to know that he is still around and still active. You can find him at Cockney Translater (https://cockneytranslater.com/home/index.php).

Just because someone get's kicked off a forum, or other social media platform, doesn't mean they cease to exist. (BTW, Atticus left Avalon of his own free will.)

And Bill himself, somewhere in his now very long "ask me questions" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1267028&viewfull=1#post1267028) thread has said that he believes he was real. (He still is. People who had problems with him tend to gloss over this point.) Therefore, it makes sense that two independent people speaking from their own experiences about similar topics, that each would indeed sound familiar in some ways to the other.

There's the old saying, Truth bears witness with Itself.

(Side note: I'm informed by some of my own personal experiences, this may be why I'm not struggling with 'disbelief' as I read Shot's posts with interest and an intent to understand.)

[edina]

So lets say Shot is sincere, and leave the hell stuff to one side for a mo.

You are defining a group of people living on earth, with different types of souls that technologically enable them to revitalise their human vessels at will. This technique is not available to most human souls.

These entities know more about the game being played here, they are not all benign, but mostly.

Are they here to follow diverse personal missions or is there a broad agenda they are working towards?

Is there a secret body of knowledge that they keep and share amongst themselves, or do they incarnate with special knowledge?


Do they see potential for this human society to progress, but presumably moderate their interventions because of free will?

Are they linked to a particular civilisation in the universe?

Is there anything you feel able to tell us about the current dramas on earth that might help stabilise things

Is there anything you can tell us about the energy tech used to revitalise the human vessel

What is the reason for this announcement now?

Thank you for your questions,

Technically they are not human, they just look human,
They can regenerate from injuries and age (they can look any age, and unlike the stereotype don’t stay a certain age, most look middle aged, but once they get a new identity they can take a year and look decades younger if they want)

The technique was known and used by humans in the past, but that caused problems
(When you have a large group of bad people that can last thousands of years it can create a straggle hold on the world, the everything needs to get destroyed for a reset, last time was Atlantis, but it happened a few times before that) the solution was to limit the life span (imagine what the world would look like if Nero, attila the hun, Hitler etc could have lived for centuries)

Most of the people (immortals) are here to help one way or other
And the vast majority are good people, (there are some that are unpleasant but they are rare)

But they answer to a higher level, a hierarchy (on a higher dimension)
They can screw up big time sometimes, but they in turn have to answer to their higher level etc,

They (immortals) have a “life plan” before they come to Earth just like everyone else,
It’s mostly “service to others” type of things, (never service to self)
They are here to help in the broadest sense, (it depends on the “higher ups” who often choose)

You don’t incarnate with special knowledge per say, but there is an education that’s involved, it’s secret but not in an occult type way, (most don’t have anything to do with the occult) it’s just secrecy to stop humans making life hard and complicated if they found out,

Yes, they see potential in humans, that’s why they all volunteer to come here, to serve,‘interventions” are only to help, when they see a need, or are told to,

No one race, but many many races,
Earth is considered a tough assignment,

Yes, the worst of it is over, it came very close to being a hell on Earth,
It would have been horrific (I have to be selective in what I say to some people, if they had an idea how it was going to be it would damage some, but bad, worse than any horror film)

Not saying it’s all over, but the worst part is,
Q is legit, and the world owns a massive debt to those people,

The bad guys are dying, they loose more control every day,
The walls are closing in, but Q is playing the smartest game of chess/poker I have ever seen,

The world is lucky to have them,

Don’t worry, the future looks amazing,
once the institutionalises evil is removed it will have a trickle down effect globally, (Where We Go One We Go All, is literally true)

You and your children will see amazing thing happen,
You will have a better standard of living, a safer happier life, more freedoms
People aren’t really aware of how oppressed and abused they are, most have acclimatised to it thinking it’s normal,

There has always been a better choice,
Just evil subverted and perverted many positions of power over the centuries,
Lied to you has to why things were like they were,

That is currently being systematically destroyed,

Don’t believe the fear porn, things are going to get better,

I don’t know of any technology that “revitalise the human vessel”
But I don’t know everything,

The main reason for me doing this is to put pressure for change, (higher ups) I tried everything for many years to change something that was wrong, to say it fell on deaf ears is an understatement, I was forced to do this, I never wanted to do this, it’s just the last resort,

I’ve tried o keep it simple but if you need me to clarify anything let me know, I’ll do what I can

Bumping this to bring this :focus:

Thanks for the questions Baby Steps.

I'll think on this a bit to see if I have some questions that arise.

Meanwhile, I continue to put this to the creative forces.

And, EYES ON, the situation you describe here Shot.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[edina]

Immortality does exist...Thee are about 180 such individuals at present...just as there are roughly 10 time travelers around ..according to what define as immortality. You may wish to explore Ben Abba..Bill, I suggest you make contact with the most capable clairvoyant you can access, you will be rather surprised at the answers you will be able secure. :wizard: Karl Marx one famously said that humanity only reaches consciousnesses only little by little ...perhaps he was right on that point alone :p

If you look at it from one perspective humans were put together from genetic material of long lived humanoids as acts as disposable slaves with a built in termination date. Surpass the limitation imposed by such and there you have your answer. ...a greater input of genetic material of longer lived humanoids would tend to lead to longevity. ...so at least in some cases your 'immortal' is semi alien...thus having a higher proportion of Atlanean, Lemurian and or reptilian genetic material than the average human. On another track, remote viewing of immortals has indicated them to be bisexual. The Jews are an interesting lot ...they were created with a higher percentage of reptilian, Atlantean and Lemurian as a sop to the reptilians in order for the former to be more sympathetic to them ...did not quite out as the Jews are the group which have been most historically disadvantaged by Zionism...A case in point, Hitler's rise to power was in part funded by Zionist banks whose controllers where attempting to stick to a time line which involved the creation of the State of Israel...Excuse me for going off topic somewhat... The off planet aliens both in the Hollow Earth and otherwise cannot really gauge forecast human behavior ...so the experience and knowledge these wise 'immortals' are utilized in order in order to gauge how appropriate interventions should be deployed vis a vis the humans. Beyond these 'immortals' is a lower tier of intermediaries who usually unconsciously carry out the same function. The situation works as follows: if a country has a Northern and a Southern part you would have roughly balanced intermediaries from both parts ..one would also attempt to seek gender balance between both parts .... When one is selected to become an agent one will feel neck pains for a transition period as implants are uploaded...very much as Alice [Alice in Wonderland] felt as she was about to descend underground .....

A lot more than 180 immortals, it’s more like tens of thousands world wide,
You don’t need to be “enlightened” to be immortal, (it’s just a cliche)

Has for time travellers, they are real,

Bumping this topic related post, as well, (pulling it out of off-topic weeds)

hmmmm .... interesting... :sherlock:

[edina]

The main reason for me doing this is to put pressure for change, (higher ups) I tried everything for many years to change something that was wrong, to say it fell on deaf ears is an understatement, I was forced to do this, I never wanted to do this, it’s just the last resort,

I’ve tried o keep it simple but if you need me to clarify anything let me know, I’ll do what I can

many thanks for this - what are you trying to get the higher ups to do or allow?

That’s a long list of wrong, smacks of corruption left right and centre,
I don’t know how extensive the corruption is, but it’s bad,

I’m trying to get the attention of the next higher authority above them to notice what they are doing, and stop them,
It’s a lot more serious than I’m giving details of right now, but if you can imagine the magnitude of the secrecy about this subject, and that I’m willing to give their secrets to the world, you may be able to appreciate the severity of the situation, it’s bad,

If things don’t get better soon, I will elaborate further, but it’s a sensitive issue,
It would mean escalating the issue,

But if it goes that far, I’ll also give you the name of an immortal (for remote viewing practice)
I’ll give you the details of my life path mission (why I’m here, my job was very different to theirs, it was very specific)
And other things they are very worried about me disclosing

Almost missed this one (a lot of weeds to wade through, smh)

For remote viewing, you don't need a name. Only a target destination.

Just to know that it exists is enough.

Are they feeling the pressure, yet?

[Luke Holiday]

Immortality does exist...Thee are about 180 such individuals at present...just as there are roughly 10 time travelers around ..according to what define as immortality. You may wish to explore Ben Abba..Bill, I suggest you make contact with the most capable clairvoyant you can access, you will be rather surprised at the answers you will be able secure. :wizard: Karl Marx one famously said that humanity only reaches consciousnesses only little by little ...perhaps he was right on that point alone :p

If you look at it from one perspective humans were put together from genetic material of long lived humanoids as acts as disposable slaves with a built in termination date. Surpass the limitation imposed by such and there you have your answer. ...a greater input of genetic material of longer lived humanoids would tend to lead to longevity. ...so at least in some cases your 'immortal' is semi alien...thus having a higher proportion of Atlanean, Lemurian and or reptilian genetic material than the average human. On another track, remote viewing of immortals has indicated them to be bisexual. The Jews are an interesting lot ...they were created with a higher percentage of reptilian, Atlantean and Lemurian as a sop to the reptilians in order for the former to be more sympathetic to them ...did not quite out as the Jews are the group which have been most historically disadvantaged by Zionism...A case in point, Hitler's rise to power was in part funded by Zionist banks whose controllers where attempting to stick to a time line which involved the creation of the State of Israel...Excuse me for going off topic somewhat... The off planet aliens both in the Hollow Earth and otherwise cannot really gauge forecast human behavior ...so the experience and knowledge these wise 'immortals' are utilized in order in order to gauge how appropriate interventions should be deployed vis a vis the humans. Beyond these 'immortals' is a lower tier of intermediaries who usually unconsciously carry out the same function. The situation works as follows: if a country has a Northern and a Southern part you would have roughly balanced intermediaries from both parts ..one would also attempt to seek gender balance between both parts .... When one is selected to become an agent one will feel neck pains for a transition period as implants are uploaded...very much as Alice [Alice in Wonderland] felt as she was about to descend underground .....

Thee are about 180 such individuals at present...just as there are roughly 10 time travelers around


Hello, just curious is Abba the source you are referencing for your claim

[MalteseKnight]

Should Monsieur might wish to make full use of the lock down situation and commence a descent down a most interesting 'rabbit hole' he will find the following most relevant : https://www.blogtalkradio.com/icdrrose/2010/12/04/ben-abba--secrets-of-an-immortal-an-eyewitness-account-of-2800-years

Had this situation scanned by a Southern European equivalent of Baba Vanga...she stated that there is indeed something to it ....

Bon rest of the weekend!!

MK

[DeDukshyn]

...

(Side note: I'm informed by some of my own personal experiences, this may be why I'm not struggling with 'disbelief' as I read Shot's posts with interest and an intent to understand.)

Belief in immortals or not is not at all the topic of what is drawing him criticism. To believe it is, indicates you are completely missing what others are seeing. Then again you couldn't see the white supremacist for what he was that was on Avalon either. Just sayin'. I'm not trying to be rude, just pointing it out.

[edina]

...

(Side note: I'm informed by some of my own personal experiences, this may be why I'm not struggling with 'disbelief' as I read Shot's posts with interest and an intent to understand.)

Belief in immortals or not is not at all the topic of what is drawing him criticism. To believe it is, indicates you are completely missing what others are seeing. Then again you couldn't see the white supremacist for what he was that was on Avalon either. Just sayin'. I'm not trying to be rude, just pointing it out.

Who are you accusing of being a ''white supremacist'?

And isn't this sort of action against forum guidelines?

Note added:

Just because you accuse someone of something doesn't mean it is true.

If you feel a need to respond to me, please do so in PM, thanks.

Let's try not to derail this thread any further.

:focus:

[DeDukshyn]

...

(Side note: I'm informed by some of my own personal experiences, this may be why I'm not struggling with 'disbelief' as I read Shot's posts with interest and an intent to understand.)

Belief in immortals or not is not at all the topic of what is drawing him criticism. To believe it is, indicates you are completely missing what others are seeing. Then again you couldn't see the white supremacist for what he was that was on Avalon either. Just sayin'. I'm not trying to be rude, just pointing it out.

Who are you accusing of being a ''white supremacist'?

And isn't this sort of action against forum guidelines?

Note added:

Just because you accuse someone of something doesn't mean it is true.

If you feel a need to respond to me, please do so in PM, thanks.

Let's try not to derail this thread any further.

:focus:

And ... you post this over half an hour after you already confronted me with those questions in a PM.

[edina]

...

(Side note: I'm informed by some of my own personal experiences, this may be why I'm not struggling with 'disbelief' as I read Shot's posts with interest and an intent to understand.)

Belief in immortals or not is not at all the topic of what is drawing him criticism. To believe it is, indicates you are completely missing what others are seeing. Then again you couldn't see the white supremacist for what he was that was on Avalon either. Just sayin'. I'm not trying to be rude, just pointing it out.

Who are you accusing of being a ''white supremacist'?

And isn't this sort of action against forum guidelines?

Note added:

Just because you accuse someone of something doesn't mean it is true.

If you feel a need to respond to me, please do so in PM, thanks.

Let's try not to derail this thread any further.

:focus:

And ... you post this over half an hour after you already confronted me with those questions in a PM.

I've read your PM response and am responding to it now, thank you.

Thanks for clarifying that you were not accusing Atticus of being a white supremacist.

[TomKat]

A lot more than 180 immortals, it’s more like tens of thousands world wide,
You don’t need to be “enlightened” to be immortal, (it’s just a cliche)
Has for time travellers, they are real,

How about a personal experience that convinces you of this?

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

I suspect:

(1) Earth humans may be closely connected to ETs on both teams, light T shirts and dark T shirts. Maybe as close as sharing the same soul.

(2) Each team needs the other to evolve.

(3) It seems like everyone wants to be a Pleiadian but no one wants to be a Reptilian. Maybe both light and dark teams exist in both species.

Any thoughts Bill?


What I know,
Humans are a mix of many E.T races, genetically, (you are related)
But Humans have a human soul, (there are people born on this world with non human souls)

Each side has a different motivation for what they do,
Some are only interested in helping without gaining anything from it themselves,
Some are Good, but also benefit from helping you,
Others, the smallest minority simply want to corrupt and destroy you, they are evil,






Mod note from Bill: Originally dated 17 April, I re-timestamped this post and moved it from my personal Q&A thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--) to here.

The reason is subtle, and @ShotAcrosstheBow, you may not understand it. But I think others probably will.

The post above was addressed to me, on my own thread. Yet you jumped right in to answer it yourself before I'd even seen the question. There was nothing much wrong with your answer in this instance, but what what you did says a great deal about your mindset.

You're only here to hold forth about your own ideas, some of which are flat-out incorrect and dangerously delusional. (See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110370&p=1347804#post1347804) as a perfect, totally irrational, extreme example.)

So I highlight this here just to make the point. You really don't belong in this community — not only your beliefs are way out of whack, but the way you conduct yourself is as well. I have no idea why you're hanging in here.

If you really are immortal, that may be a useful thing — because it could take many, many years for you to learn all you need to.

[Mashika]

Thank you Mr Bill, i always suspected this guy was a fundamentalist in some way, this proves it for me. Such mentality of hell/heaven in the way he posted is how kids are told things work, he never outgrew that phase of spiritual/religious education.

One of the reasons i had to leave organized religion several years ago was exactly this simple mindset, specially when you are faced with a preacher who acts just like that and slaps you and threatens you to get you to hell because of questioning ridiculous nonsense LOL

For ShotAcrosstheBow, i would suggest a change in his posture, from:



What I know,


to



What i think i know based on what i read and learned from some people out there who lead me to believe in their ways


Because thinking you have absolute knowledge about anything religious or spiritual is the dumbest thing someone can believe

There can't be absolute knowledge about anything regarding God or spiritual realms unless you are God itself or at least Michael archangel level. And someone who gets angry and rejects other people's opinions in a temper tantrum is no archangel Michael, for sure...

[XelNaga]

Hi ShotAcrosstheBow,

I hope this question wasn't asked before.

How would you define what is soul and what is spirit?

What is your opinion about Reiki?

Thanks in advance..

[XelNaga]

And another question, are you familiar with channelled material called Ra material - The law of one?

If you are, what is your opinion about that material?

Thanks..

[edina]

Thanks for your answers and sound advice, ShotAcrosstheBow.

I agree that most objects in life are distractions designed to keep us far from source. In this respect, do you think the current pandemic is also a distraction manouvre?

And another question: what is the role immortals play here on Earth, among humans? What's the purpuse of their interaction with humanity as a whole?

Additionally, could there be any consequences for you reporting here?

The pandemic is a “deep state” tactic in an attempt to collapse the global economy and influence the coming election (it’s also a dry run for a more lethal virus, see “ the anglo saxon mission”, but that’s only planned for after the election)

They will fail,

Everyone who is born on this planet comes in to this world with a “life plan” a mission,
Immortals are the same, they are meant to help, one way or other, their leadership is on a higher plane,

My job (life plan) is somewhat different to most,

Yes there will be repercussions, it’s already started, but it’s not enough,
They are the guilty party,

The “consequences“ is my goal,

It seems to me that the potential of a more lethal 'virus' is important, but you say that "they will fail".

However, it seems from this exchange that you feel that even with that failure, it is not enough?

Am I understanding your meaning correctly?

Also, does this indicate that there is potentially something planned that would be even more problematic, that perhaps the 'immortals' are capable of and even supposed to intervene on, and aren't?

Are some 'immortals' actively participating in some of these plans against humanity?

I understand that just like human-humans there are more good than bad. It's probably the same with 'immortal-humans'. Is your focus then on the corrupted ones?

And last, re:
The “consequences“ is my goal,

What do you expect these consequences to be?

Is this something we could recognize in our own life experiences?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi ShotAcrosstheBow,

I hope this question wasn't asked before.

How would you define what is soul and what is spirit?

What is your opinion about Reiki?

Thanks in advance..

A lot of people don't distinguish the difference between soul and spirit?

Most seem unaware that there is a distinction.

I'm interested in hearing a bit more about this, too.

*****
previous related posts of this topic in this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347595&viewfull=1#post1347595

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347602&viewfull=1#post1347602

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1347584&viewfull=1#post1347584

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351171&viewfull=1#post1351171



Only your body is “mortal”
Your Soul is immortal if not destroyed
Your Spirit is immortal and indestructible

Cayce talked about this quite a bit.
As did Rudolph Steiner.

Rudolph Steiner pointed out that it's important to know about all three, not just about the body and soul. He felt this was especially important, for humanity to navigate the challenges of this century.

From Steiner's point of view, it was a matter of if humanity would continue toward it's full potential, or reach a dead end and die as a species.

I often ponder this ...


... the issue of Technocracy comes to mind ...

[MalteseKnight]

Out of the 180, zooming in on a particular subset/Group of roughly 70 which resulted through a particular development process I understand that approximately 45 belong to the Atlanean(A)/Lemurian(L)/possibly Plaedian axis...20 to the Reptilian faction ...there are also a few independent characters ....As per the balance I have no information.

Coming back to the 70..it is but not uncommon for individuals to change sides. Yet, the Group in some cases works collectively in order to maintain a balance. Nobody wants a dimensional war as it would be worse that MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Before major events, say European Parliamentary elections occur, a few days before meetings take place in the astral plane to decide on the outcome. So the immortals, intermediaries and sleepers are 'taken to the meetings' wherein the outcome for each country's representation takes place ..other issues pertaining to that country are also discussed. One normally gets a mixture of of A, L and R across the right and left of the groupings of the political spectrum. The intermediaries and sleepers do not normally clearly recall their participation although some might get an inkling. My understanding that such a 'sleeper' attendee was the late science fiction writer, I.M Banks , ....The whole situation is rather humorous in one way. You could get the case where an individual say an illegal immigrant being dragged to the astral plane meeting and his mature opinion on a particular issue may have much more real impact than some mouthy television pundit who is a citizen of that country :)

I do understand that there are some human (AL and R) immortals resident in the hollow earth. My understanding that a giant artificial sun is provided for them. A, L and R groups mingle together and humans?immortals (h/imm) roughly 100 mingle together although the R side is rather hierarchical and demands that the h/imm) show signs of supplication towards them. The Atlanteans tend to be a bit snobby and while their cities are beautiful rather allow outsiders in.The Lemurians tend to be a bit rough and lack reason as we understand it going back to previous situations as a guide for acting in the present . In the past there were at least three significant wars between the Atlanteans and Lemuria underground but they have been resolved. Hollow Earth Lemuria does have something of an influence on Eastern countries such as India and China...There have been overt instances of 'intervention' over the years. A case in point was when Alexander the Great's forces attempted to enter India, Lemurian craft repeatedly dove at them without firing on them (as such would have been too much of a flagrant breach of the Prime Directive). The Lemurians also 'leaked' medical technology to Louis Pasteur.



Hoping I have not bored anybody stiff ..

[TomKat]

Thank you Mr Bill, i always suspected this guy was a fundamentalist in some way, this proves it for me. Such mentality of hell/heaven in the way he posted is how kids are told things work, he never outgrew that phase of spiritual/religious education.

One of the reasons i had to leave organized religion several years ago was exactly this simple mindset, specially when you are faced with a preacher who acts just like that and slaps you and threatens you to get you to hell because of questioning ridiculous nonsense LOL

For ShotAcrosstheBow, i would suggest a change in his posture, from:



What I know,


to



What i think i know based on what i read and learned from some people out there who lead me to believe in their ways


Because thinking you have absolute knowledge about anything religious or spiritual is the dumbest thing someone can believe

There can't be absolute knowledge about anything regarding God or spiritual realms unless you are God itself or at least Michael archangel level. And someone who gets angry and rejects other people's opinions in a temper tantrum is no archangel Michael, for sure...

Turning it back on you: You know this about Archangel Michael how?

I prefer to hear what someone has perceived themselves, rather than what they read or heard about.

[Justplain]

It seems that SAB is saying that these 'immortals' are incarnated here in human bodies but are not human beings by nature. According to him these beings can live for many hundreds of years. Also they have some super-human abilities such as moderate 'shapeshifting' (age appearance changes), rapid though limited regenerative abilities and telepathic abilities including the ability to read minds and plant thoughts. These 'immortals' (wrong terminology, they have extended physical lives perhaps) supposedly have a life plan that is supposed to benefit humanity. They supposedly 'report' to some sort of higher dimensional being. They also supposedly have direct knowledge of spiritual law, the 'balance of it all'.

However, some of these 'long physical livers' appear to have difficulty communing with the infinite Creator. Some appear to have strayed into the dark side.

So, SAB desires to help correct the misdirection of the dark siders.

Now, in order to add some substance to this tale, it would be helpful if SAB provided some externally corroboratable evidence of these assertions. I know that Bill went through a process with other Avalon members trying to find objective verifiable points of evidence to help substantiate claims by Avalon members, such as 'the Ruiner' I believe, and perhaps Corey Goode.

So, SAB, if you want a constructive dialogue, please provide some verifiable points of reference. Then perhaps a shift in this dialogue can emerge

[Mashika]

Thank you Mr Bill, i always suspected this guy was a fundamentalist in some way, this proves it for me. Such mentality of hell/heaven in the way he posted is how kids are told things work, he never outgrew that phase of spiritual/religious education.

One of the reasons i had to leave organized religion several years ago was exactly this simple mindset, specially when you are faced with a preacher who acts just like that and slaps you and threatens you to get you to hell because of questioning ridiculous nonsense LOL

For ShotAcrosstheBow, i would suggest a change in his posture, from:



What I know,


to



What i think i know based on what i read and learned from some people out there who lead me to believe in their ways


Because thinking you have absolute knowledge about anything religious or spiritual is the dumbest thing someone can believe

There can't be absolute knowledge about anything regarding God or spiritual realms unless you are God itself or at least Michael archangel level. And someone who gets angry and rejects other people's opinions in a temper tantrum is no archangel Michael, for sure...

Turning it back on you: You know this about Archangel Michael how?

I prefer to hear what someone has perceived themselves, rather than what they read or heard about.

But that's exactly what i'm saying, ShotAcrossTheBow says he is religious and belongs to Catholic church, so any information about Archangel Michael came from a book he must have read at some point and no where else but books. Same as a lot of other stuff he said, how did he learned the stuff he talks about?

There is no evidence of anything he said being true, just his words, so it's hard to believe totally he experienced any of that himself. As in the post linked by Mr Bill, how does he knows that's how Hell and Heaven works, or that Angels sometimes 'fly' (which implies they really have wings as in descriptions from which book?) over the top level of Hell and pick some souls to give them a second chance, how does he knows that? (As opposed to believe with faith this is how things work because of his religious views)

[onawah]

Which is why I think this thread should be moved to a members only subforum, such as the one for Channeled Information. :nod:
Nothing substantiated here, and makes Avalon look very woo-woo, akin to Flat Earthers :madgrin::der::wacko::loco:



But that's exactly what i'm saying, ShotAcrossTheBow says he is religious and belongs to Catholic church, so any information about Archangel Michael came from a book he must have read at some point and no where else but books. Same as a lot of other stuff he said, how did he learned the stuff he talks about?

There is no evidence of anything he said being true, just his words, so it's hard to believe totally he experienced any of that himself. As in the post linked by Mr Bill, how does he knows that's how Hell and Heaven works, or that Angels sometimes 'fly' (which implies they really have wings as in descriptions from which book?) over the top level of Hell and pick some souls to give them a second chance, how does he knows that? (As opposed to believe with faith this is how things work because of his religious views)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Why is immortality woo-woo? There is no reason for the body to die if the proper steps are taken to preserve it, including advanced knowledge of health and consciousness.

Perhaps immortality is the pinnacle of the idea but longevity is very much possible, and already attainable.

[onawah]

I was thinking of substituting "wack-a-doodle" for "woo-woo", but I think either term is appropriate.
I didn't say immortality is woo woo, Ernie.
The theory that immortality is possible may be worth entertaining, but without any credible evidence that it is a reality is what makes this thread silly, and that reflects on Avalon.
Do you have any credible substantiation for the theory, Ernie?
If so, I'd love to hear it.
I used to have a lot of friends who were live foods vegans, and they thought that was going to make them immortal, but they've aged pretty much like everyone does.
Satanists seem to think that imbibing adrenochrome could make them immortal, but mostly what it is doing is making them more and more disgusting.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcScjup-cdINMFnhzJFXiPKjEypHg3lDmEDnZavt2vJZ1nm6oUL4&usqp=CAU

Why is immortality woo-woo? There is no reason for the body to die if the proper steps are taken to preserve it, including advanced knowledge of health and consciousness.

Perhaps immortality is the pinnacle of the idea but longevity is very much possible, and already attainable.

[DeDukshyn]

I think the idea of extreme longevity is worth entertaining ...

However, the title of this thread refers to "Immortality" and now because of this thread that term has replaced "longevity" which is actually the only thing that SATB even himself referred to. So right there you have a bait click dramatic and inaccurate and misleading title, that has now replaced the term (that is actually the topic) of "longevity" with "immortality" in all subsequent discussions ... why are we doing that?

I do agree that a discussion on the topic properly had by mature Avalon members exploring the possibilities, presenting historical evidence, etc. is of no risk to Avalon's "reputation". This thread though and its "question and answer" format, hyper-arrogant "know-it-all" and "immortal" expert that hasn't provided a shred of evidence or anything that may or may not be complete fabrication, along with the misleading title is not an appropriate format for that mature and objective discussion.

Big difference. I did suggest to the OP that a new thread and proper format would be far more appropriate, but in his words, I was just provoking him ... Go figure ...

The problem with this thread isn't necessarily the subject matter of "longevity". True immortality has nothing to do with this discussion or the thread topic.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Didn't Atticus/Charles say his master was 10,000 years old?

[greybeard]

Didn't Atticus/Charles say his master was 10,000 years old?

Charles said and implied a lot of things that were unproved.
Havoc was created on Avalon.
There was a split between the passionate believers and those who saw through him.
He got some to believe that Avalon was going to save the world and started recruiting members to do this.
Some left with him when he left -- nothing actually happened.
Why is it intelligent people want a saviour -- an immortal must be the one.
We are all immortal as the one soul -- my current belief -- may be so.
Chris

[Justplain]

Didn't Atticus/Charles say his master was 10,000 years old?

Charles said and implied a lot of things that were unproved.
Havoc was created on Avalon.
There was a split between the passionate believers and those who saw through him.
He got some to believe that Avalon was going to save the world and started recruiting members to do this.
Some left with him when he left -- nothing actually happened.
Why is it intelligent people want a saviour -- an immortal must be the one.
We are all immortal as the one soul -- my current belief -- may be so.
Chris

Chris, I have never seen you so upset as you were in a post on this thread. You must really sense something about SATB.

[Soullight]

ShotAcrosstheBow

I just now caught up on this thread.

Wow, hard to grasp some of the replies towards you.

As far as I’m concerned, I think what you say is perfectly fine and enjoy your post VERY much! I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.

Most people here mean well, but as you know people function on various levels of experience and awareness and it’s human nature to confront or even lash out at anything you don’t see as factual or truth. Especially if it threatens long held beliefs or has strong emotional connections. How many ‘do unto others’ rights have been infringed upon in the name of protecting others?

But I want to encourage you to keep posting IF possible. Would be unfortunate if you got banned. There’s some of us here that see value where others clearly don’t. And to them I say, I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it!

:sun:

[Mashika]

anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

[Mashika]

Removed this as it is kind of pointless by now, there's nothing to gain from challenging people to do what i had asked...

:coffee::sun:

[greybeard]

Well the picture is eternally beautiful.
Not a clue as to identity-- you can tell me I wont tell a SOUL.
Admirer.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm not sure what the subject matter is, you a great immortal - as per your opening post, or this "secret truth" you claim to want to somehow reveal by asking people to ask you questions.

Indeed. It's never wise to announce privileged knowledge on a subject unless you can back yourself with evidence, with credentials. If the actual Jesus Christ, for example, reappeared today and joined Avalon and declared, 'Hi, I'm Jesus, ask me a question', he would be thoroughly dismissed and taken apart inside three pages, and probably branded mentally unfit, and sent on his way with blessings and good luck for the future etc. That's not a critique whatsoever against the mods or the membership, not one bit, it's just the cold reality – because extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. And you have provided none.

The medium of a web forum is limited, obviously. It's mostly textual conversation, with the addition of images if available, but one doesn't get to look the other person in the eye in real time. One doesn't have the benefit of visual cues, of body language, or feeling out someone's energy.

So if your purpose is to convince us with a fantastic message, you had better have something substantial to gain our ear.

Yes, sometimes with the more esoteric matters, a logical argument is all we have, and we hope that it proves enough to arouse the basic common reason of those who are listening. But I've yet to see even that here.

Personally, I don't believe for one minute that if someone was indeed immortal and they joined a forum community like this, they would admit to being immortal. The master never claims his mastery. What they have to say evinces true mastery when the truth becomes self-evident to the listener. Immortals, if they truly walked among us, would be a highly secretive, protective group. It stands to reason. They absolutely wouldn't be on the internet talking about it, opening up Q&As about it.

Shotacrossthebow, everything you have shared in this thread so far – the spiritual and metaphysical concepts and themes (some of which do have some validity) – could easily have been mined from other sources, including from this very forum, or, might I say, from the movie Highlander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_(film)) – great film by the way, which I'm quite sure you've seen.

I don't completely rule out the notion of immortal beings walking the earth. It was a reality long, long ago. Think Atlantis. I suspect other quite real beings that walk among us and who could be called immortal aren't actually human at all, but that's beside the point. I suspect this thread is a larp and nothing more. But like Dedukshyn, I'll indulge you, and ask a simple question.

Cellular degradation is an inescapable fact. This is the aging process, and it computes inevitably to death. Life can be relatively extended by a healthy lifestyle, meditation, a variety of spiritual practises, but not for multiple centuries. In order for a physical being to fully bypass/mitigate natural physiological decay and death, high technology, spiritual alchemy, or whatever other term you choose, must be employed. So can you describe, in step-by-step detail, the technology or techniques employed that effectively prolongs your lifespan – therefore achieving immortality – as a physical human being? And if possible can you provide photographs of said systems or technologies? Or maybe just photographs of yourself at aged 20, 30, 40, 50 for comparison – or photographs of somebody else, belonging to your immortal ilk, that could demonstrate the same?

[Mashika]

Well the picture is eternally beautiful.
Not a clue as to identity-- you can tell me I wont tell a SOUL.
Admirer.

I just want to show how easy is to speak up without fear, even if you have to hide some stuff along the way. This guy is the total opposite as far as i can tell, but he brags a lot about things he can't and have not proved at all

I'm very positive i'm going to get heavily reprimanded for doing this, but oh well, let's see what happens now :)

<3

[heretogrow]

Post deleted because it was unrelated to the thread topic. So Sorry about that.:sun:

[DeDukshyn]

...

It's never wise to announce privileged knowledge on a subject unless you can back yourself with evidence, with credentials. If the actual Jesus Christ, for example, reappeared today and joined Avalon and declared, 'Hi, I'm Jesus, ask me a question', he would be thoroughly dismissed and taken apart inside three pages, and probably branded mentally unfit, and sent on his way with blessings and good luck for the future etc. ...

Agreed. If Jesus came to Avalon, he would know that trying to convince people of who he was so that people would give full credence to all the words he said, wouldn't equate to any real learning and would be nothing more than ego enabling. Convincing someone of a truth just based on your so called "credentials" is slightly better than lying, and causes zero understanding ... its all fluff.

As you said, the very last thing that Jesus would do is admit he's Jesus. He would be teaching through understanding of his content and context of his words.

I read an article the other day that someone posted on facebook, where this brain specialist wrote several paragraphs about how he was a great brain researcher, did all this studying, even studies a little bit on viruses, had all these degrees, went on and on about himself, propping himself up to great importance for the audience, before disagreeing with some COVID19 conspiracy theories, as "proof" that all these conspiracy theories on it are nothing more than lies. He didn't provide any actual proper research, or convincing arguments in his "debunking", but he managed to get most people to "trust" him without evidence or research, due to his method of propping himself up as super important and intelligent first. But literally no actual intelligently written content that was convincing on its own merits.

Why would someone do that?

The ONLY reason, that someone would do this, is to try to convince others of their words through associating them with this elevated stature, rather than actually being able to intelligently make a point and have the content stand on its own. If your content is weak and unconvincing, then a simple, "but look how great I am and how smart I am and how immortal I am ... don't you believe me now?" does wonders in convincing the weak minded that your content is real and true, and should be believed, but without any merits to the actual content itself.

This is a KNOWN tactic. It feeds on the "saviour" mentality - a human weakness.

This is why Jesus would NEVER even allow someone to know it was him, as the value, truth and learning would be in the content his teachings, and if any of that shifted to people believing what he said just because of his "title" or whatever, that the true important learning would be lost.

The thing that gets me about SATB is his absolute insistence and defense of his use of this obvious tactic when I questioned him on it. As though he NEEDS to use this tactic to communicate or he won't communicate; which he has demonstrated.

It says it all right there. It has nothing to do with the topic of longevity (there's no immortality being discussed here, but you know, gotta get that "stature" established as good as possible!).

A simple change in format and he could have had all this corrected by now ... I guess he feels his 'message' isn't that important.

[Soullight]

anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

Hello Mashika

The full quote you referenced was “I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you“

I was NOT referencing that he hasn’t provided “evidence” or proof that’s he’s an immortal. I think it’s clear that he won’t provide “proof” (at least that many would see as such) since it’s a secret thing, although he can provide evidence. And that he’s completely open to answering any questions is wonderful and should be encouraged. While attacks towards him aren’t questions and only muddy up the waters IMHO.

Most importantly to my points is that he should have the right to share his views whether people like them or believe they are possible or not. I personally don’t have any way to verify if he’s immortal through anything he could post on a forum. But what I know is that from reading his post he’s done nothing wrong or bad towards anyone (and I’m pretty sure hasn’t violated any of the forums rules). He’s only stated his understandings and is open for dialogue. I find the objections against him to be a bit silly, considering that he claimed that this is a secret, so anyone expecting irrefutable “proof” on this forum is completely missing the point, although this doesn’t mean there isn’t value to his postings.

Further, there are loads of experiences that some people have that other people can’t comprehend since they themselves haven’t had such experiences. For example, you may be intellectually well versed in what “hot” means but until you touch something hot you have missed a certain understanding of what hot was, that your intellect could not grasp.

Similarly, there are conscious internal or even out-of-body experiences where people can have interactions to not only beings but places, including hell like realms. Whether or not these are true, or the results of ones owns bias, or some sort of collective bias, mental aberrations, or a projection of some unknown technology, or power, who knows. But what we do know, at least those well studied in such things, and especially those of us who have experienced inner or OBE realms directly, is that these realms DO exist and are as every bit as real to the experiencer as things in 3D.

Finally, no sane person would harm or wish to cause harm to children, be it physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. To suggest that conveying scary topics (such as the idea of a hell) should be completely banned from this forum would negate sooo much of the horrific content discussed on this forum, from black goo, to war atrocities, etc...the list is huge. Religions aren’t the only cause of atrocities, mind control or enslavement on earth. And frankly I think Shotacrossthebow was not referring to the classical understanding of the Christian type of hell. Regardless, this is not a topic worthy of banning.

:sun:

[Mashika]

I think it's worth noting the posts made above yours
Star Mariner
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353397&viewfull=1#post1353397

DeDukshyn
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353425&viewfull=1#post1353425

Those posts explain very well what he was trying to do, and it wasn't just that he wanted to express his views, no one prevented him from doing that. he was trying to manipulate people using well known technics, this is not the first time i've seen this, nor will be the last i bet

On ATS there are some people who have positioned as "Experts" in several fields using this exact technique, and people believe anything they say blindly no matter how obvious it is that person is just copying answers from somewhere else or being so ambiguous it leaves plenty of room for denying they ever said they were "experts" and such. It's sad to see and people even attack you if you ever try to question the person's credentials. Almost cultish behavior. And it always starts the way this thread started, by dragging people into a non conversation that just elevates the OP to a high but fake perceived level of "knowledge" or "expertise" on some area

Anyways i think this thread ran its course by now, it serves more as material to dissect than to discuss immortality, and yep it was never about immortality to begin with, that was just the hook to gather people around

🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

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Masha









anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

Hello Mashika

The full quote you referenced was “I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you“

I was NOT referencing that he hasn’t provided “evidence” or proof that’s he’s an immortal. I think it’s clear that he won’t provide “proof” (at least that many would see as such) since it’s a secret thing, although he can provide evidence. And that he’s completely open to answering any questions is wonderful and should be encouraged. While attacks towards him aren’t questions and only muddy up the waters IMHO.

Most importantly to my points is that he should have the right to share his views whether people like them or believe they are possible or not. I personally don’t have any way to verify if he’s immortal through anything he could post on a forum. But what I know is that from reading his post he’s done nothing wrong or bad towards anyone (and I’m pretty sure hasn’t violated any of the forums rules). He’s only stated his understandings and is open for dialogue. I find the objections against him to be a bit silly, considering that he claimed that this is a secret, so anyone expecting irrefutable “proof” on this forum is completely missing the point, although this doesn’t mean there isn’t value to his postings.

Further, there are loads of experiences that some people have that other people can’t comprehend since they themselves haven’t had such experiences. For example, you may be intellectually well versed in what “hot” means but until you touch something hot you have missed a certain understanding of what hot was, that your intellect could not grasp.

Similarly, there are conscious internal or even out-of-body experiences where people can have interactions to not only beings but places, including hell like realms. Whether or not these are true, or the results of ones owns bias, or some sort of collective bias, mental aberrations, or a projection of some unknown technology, or power, who knows. But what we do know, at least those well studied in such things, and especially those of us who have experienced inner or OBE realms directly, is that these realms DO exist and are as every bit as real to the experiencer as things in 3D.

Finally, no sane person would harm or wish to cause harm to children, be it physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. To suggest that conveying scary topics (such as the idea of a hell) should be completely banned from this forum would negate sooo much of the horrific content discussed on this forum, from black goo, to war atrocities, etc...the list is huge. Religions aren’t the only cause of atrocities, mind control or enslavement on earth. And frankly I think Shotacrossthebow was not referring to the classical understanding of the Christian type of hell. Regardless, this is not a topic worthy of banning.

:sun:

[onawah]

Seeking approval, admiration, and the stature of an authority figure, seeking the elevating of one's status above others through the pretense of superiority, are all the machinations of a narcissistic personality.
Similar to the harvesting of "loosh".
Whereas if, as we are assured, benevolent, higher dimensional souls who come to Earth to lend a hand take on human bodies that are just as subject to aging as anyone, however challenging that may be, I think perhaps that is because that is the best way in which they can actually be of service to the human race.

I still do not understand why this thread has not been assigned to the subforum for "channeled and other controversial material".
(Unless the Mods are just giving SATB enough rope to hang himself.)

[Terry777]

It would be boring as hell to live past 100 years, and as someone who remembers countless lives, it's would be boring as hell to always remember past lives.

A life requires total immersion to be enjoyable, without any distractions from past life memories.

Souls are eternal, and it's best not to be distracted by eternity.

To truly understand anything, first you must be immersed in it, then completely remove yourself from it to examine it from the outside, like leaving the country you were born in, or a school, organization, job, etc. The further you can get out of the thing you were immersed in the better.

To leave this creation you have to do it with soul awareness, not your physical brain, and if you're really good you can get past soul awareness, to realize everything is creations, including explanations of creations. All is possible, and creations like this one are dependent upon souls populating it, and using energy to manifest it.

A soul is awareness and ability, and beyond awareness and ability is essence, although this explanation is mere creation.

[Soullight]

I think it's worth noting the posts made above yours
Star Mariner
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353397&viewfull=1#post1353397

DeDukshyn
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353425&viewfull=1#post1353425

Those posts explain very well what he was trying to do, and it wasn't just that he wanted to express his views, no one prevented him from doing that. he was trying to manipulate people using well known technics, this is not the first time i've seen this, nor will be the last i bet

On ATS there are some people who have positioned as "Experts" in several fields using this exact technique, and people believe anything they say blindly no matter how obvious it is that person is just copying answers from somewhere else or being so ambiguous it leaves plenty of room for denying they ever said they were "experts" and such. It's sad to see and people even attack you if you ever try to question the person's credentials. Almost cultish behavior. And it always starts the way this thread started, by dragging people into a non conversation that just elevates the OP to a high but fake perceived level of "knowledge" or "expertise" on some area

Anyways i think this thread ran its course by now, it serves more as material to dissect than to discuss immortality, and yep it was never about immortality to begin with, that was just the hook to gather people around

🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

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Masha









anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

Hello Mashika

The full quote you referenced was “I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you“

I was NOT referencing that he hasn’t provided “evidence” or proof that’s he’s an immortal. I think it’s clear that he won’t provide “proof” (at least that many would see as such) since it’s a secret thing, although he can provide evidence. And that he’s completely open to answering any questions is wonderful and should be encouraged. While attacks towards him aren’t questions and only muddy up the waters IMHO.

Most importantly to my points is that he should have the right to share his views whether people like them or believe they are possible or not. I personally don’t have any way to verify if he’s immortal through anything he could post on a forum. But what I know is that from reading his post he’s done nothing wrong or bad towards anyone (and I’m pretty sure hasn’t violated any of the forums rules). He’s only stated his understandings and is open for dialogue. I find the objections against him to be a bit silly, considering that he claimed that this is a secret, so anyone expecting irrefutable “proof” on this forum is completely missing the point, although this doesn’t mean there isn’t value to his postings.

Further, there are loads of experiences that some people have that other people can’t comprehend since they themselves haven’t had such experiences. For example, you may be intellectually well versed in what “hot” means but until you touch something hot you have missed a certain understanding of what hot was, that your intellect could not grasp.

Similarly, there are conscious internal or even out-of-body experiences where people can have interactions to not only beings but places, including hell like realms. Whether or not these are true, or the results of ones owns bias, or some sort of collective bias, mental aberrations, or a projection of some unknown technology, or power, who knows. But what we do know, at least those well studied in such things, and especially those of us who have experienced inner or OBE realms directly, is that these realms DO exist and are as every bit as real to the experiencer as things in 3D.

Finally, no sane person would harm or wish to cause harm to children, be it physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. To suggest that conveying scary topics (such as the idea of a hell) should be completely banned from this forum would negate sooo much of the horrific content discussed on this forum, from black goo, to war atrocities, etc...the list is huge. Religions aren’t the only cause of atrocities, mind control or enslavement on earth. And frankly I think Shotacrossthebow was not referring to the classical understanding of the Christian type of hell. Regardless, this is not a topic worthy of banning.

:sun:


Thank you,

These post you referenced along with your views are ALL personal opinions of what you think is happening. That’s fine, there’s good reason for such views in this world, and of course everyone has the right to their opinions.

Yet we don’t completely know SATB intentions (whether he/she/it is legit or not) but what we do know is that he started the thread and he wanted us to ask him any question that we wished. How does a forum get any better than that?

Instead, there are those that seems more apt to convey their conclusions, or even lash out at him/her/it, because they got rubbed the wrong way by his approach, words, etc.

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.

It’s sad...especially considering all of censorship and attacks going on everywhere. How did that children’s rhyme go...”Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

:(

[onawah]

For members who have been active on the forum for a long time, and who have seen similar threads come and go, the pattern matches and the end result is really very predictable.
So we have good reason to think this is just a waste of time and space when there is so much that genuinely needs our attention.
And that may have a lot to do with why this thread was started in the first place..
Distractions from real issues are a favorite methodology of trolls, shills, and phonies of all sorts.
In short: we've seen it all before. :sad:


I think it's worth noting the posts made above yours
Star Mariner
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353397&viewfull=1#post1353397

DeDukshyn
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353425&viewfull=1#post1353425

Those posts explain very well what he was trying to do, and it wasn't just that he wanted to express his views, no one prevented him from doing that. he was trying to manipulate people using well known technics, this is not the first time i've seen this, nor will be the last i bet

On ATS there are some people who have positioned as "Experts" in several fields using this exact technique, and people believe anything they say blindly no matter how obvious it is that person is just copying answers from somewhere else or being so ambiguous it leaves plenty of room for denying they ever said they were "experts" and such. It's sad to see and people even attack you if you ever try to question the person's credentials. Almost cultish behavior. And it always starts the way this thread started, by dragging people into a non conversation that just elevates the OP to a high but fake perceived level of "knowledge" or "expertise" on some area

Anyways i think this thread ran its course by now, it serves more as material to dissect than to discuss immortality, and yep it was never about immortality to begin with, that was just the hook to gather people around

🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

-

Masha









anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

Hello Mashika

The full quote you referenced was “I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you“

I was NOT referencing that he hasn’t provided “evidence” or proof that’s he’s an immortal. I think it’s clear that he won’t provide “proof” (at least that many would see as such) since it’s a secret thing, although he can provide evidence. And that he’s completely open to answering any questions is wonderful and should be encouraged. While attacks towards him aren’t questions and only muddy up the waters IMHO.

Most importantly to my points is that he should have the right to share his views whether people like them or believe they are possible or not. I personally don’t have any way to verify if he’s immortal through anything he could post on a forum. But what I know is that from reading his post he’s done nothing wrong or bad towards anyone (and I’m pretty sure hasn’t violated any of the forums rules). He’s only stated his understandings and is open for dialogue. I find the objections against him to be a bit silly, considering that he claimed that this is a secret, so anyone expecting irrefutable “proof” on this forum is completely missing the point, although this doesn’t mean there isn’t value to his postings.

Further, there are loads of experiences that some people have that other people can’t comprehend since they themselves haven’t had such experiences. For example, you may be intellectually well versed in what “hot” means but until you touch something hot you have missed a certain understanding of what hot was, that your intellect could not grasp.

Similarly, there are conscious internal or even out-of-body experiences where people can have interactions to not only beings but places, including hell like realms. Whether or not these are true, or the results of ones owns bias, or some sort of collective bias, mental aberrations, or a projection of some unknown technology, or power, who knows. But what we do know, at least those well studied in such things, and especially those of us who have experienced inner or OBE realms directly, is that these realms DO exist and are as every bit as real to the experiencer as things in 3D.

Finally, no sane person would harm or wish to cause harm to children, be it physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. To suggest that conveying scary topics (such as the idea of a hell) should be completely banned from this forum would negate sooo much of the horrific content discussed on this forum, from black goo, to war atrocities, etc...the list is huge. Religions aren’t the only cause of atrocities, mind control or enslavement on earth. And frankly I think Shotacrossthebow was not referring to the classical understanding of the Christian type of hell. Regardless, this is not a topic worthy of banning.

:sun:


Thank you,

These post you referenced along with your views are ALL personal opinions of what you think is happening. That’s fine, there’s good reason for such views in this world, and of course everyone has the right to their opinions.

Yet we don’t completely know SATB intentions (whether he/she/it is legit or not) but what we do know is that he started the thread and he wanted us to ask him any question that we wished. How does a forum get any better than that?

Instead, there are those that seems more apt to convey their conclusions, or even lash out at him/her/it, because they got rubbed the wrong way by his approach, words, etc.

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.

It’s sad...especially considering all of censorship and attacks going on everywhere. How did that children’s rhyme go...”Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

:(

[greybeard]

Ive lived long enough allready in this body.
Quite happy to walk though the door called death and emerge, brand new body, brand new, adventure.

Ch

[TomKat]

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.


He didn't answer my question.

[Soullight]

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.


He didn't answer my question.

Do you mean this question? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351944&viewfull=1#post1351944

If so, then it may just be bad timing as it seems SATB has either left this forum or been banned. And based on how people treated him I can't say it’s unreasonable IF he did leave...unfortunately.

[Bill Ryan]

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.


He didn't answer my question.

Do you mean this question? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351944&viewfull=1#post1351944

If so, then it may just be bad timing as it seems SATB has either left this forum or been banned. And based on how people treated him I can't say it’s unreasonable IF he did leave...unfortunately.Mod note from Bill: he's not been banned. You can see from his profile (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45870-ShotAcrosstheBow) (or via the Member List (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php)) that he last logged in on 20 April.

:focus:

[Soullight]

For members who have been active on the forum for a long time, and who have seen similar threads come and go, the pattern matches and the end result is really very predictable.
So we have good reason to think this is just a waste of time and space when there is so much that genuinely needs our attention.
And that may have a lot to do with why this thread was started in the first place..
Distractions from real issues are a favorite methodology of trolls, shills, and phonies of all sorts.
In short: we've seen it all before.

Thank you

It’s very simple IMHO

1. SATB never required anyone to waste their time. People participate with HIS thread because they wish to hear about his views and ask him questions. It’s ok if you don’t believe him, but ask him questions OR leave. Why get angry, lash out or make accusations (all of which are ASSUMPTIONS, no matter what patterns you see or conclusions your mind and experiences see, OR how many people back you up)?

2. We can all see patterns. After a life time of living I see loads of patterns and redundancies. But when you ASSUME that what you’re seeing with SATB is the same as others whom you considered LARP’s, shills or whatever...then you’ve closed yourself to ANY chance that they are not, and hence, any value you might gain. As long as a poster doesn't VIOLATE the forum rules this place should be a safe haven for those wanting to express their views, experiences, etc. What does it matter how preposterous their claims are? This forum is ALL about such things.

Further, if a gang of people in power, or a dominate group of like minded people basically attack or set negative conditions onto someone then obviously the one being attacked will seek to flee. And on THIS forum I find such behavior disappointing, to say the least.

I WELCOME SATB to convey his experiences and offer to answer ANY questions as there are some here who find value in such. And IMHO, whether or not my voice means anything, I’m going to defend SATB’s right to speak.

But I fear it's too late now...and I find that SAD.

[Soullight]

It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.


He didn't answer my question.

Do you mean this question? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351944&viewfull=1#post1351944

If so, then it may just be bad timing as it seems SATB has either left this forum or been banned. And based on how people treated him I can't say it’s unreasonable IF he did leave...unfortunately.Mod note from Bill: he's not been banned. You can see from his profile (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45870-ShotAcrosstheBow) (or via the Member List (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php)) that he last logged in on 20 April.

:focus:


Oh wonderful...THANK YOU BILL! :clapping::heart:

[greybeard]

Soullight Im surprised that you havent thanked anyone though quite a few have thanked you.
You havent even thanked the starter of this thread SATB
Why would that be?
Chris

[onawah]

You would know if a member has been unsubscribed or not simply by looking at his or her last post, right under the name...
If someone is truly immortal, then I would think they would have evolved enough not to be offended or discouraged if others are skeptical about their unproven and unlikely claims.
Some of us would rather not waste our time on unsubstantiated claims, and would rather this forum not devote its' time, energy and space to possible hoaxes.
Avalon has a reputation to protect, and serves a higher purpose than to entertain doubtful information.
There are plenty of other forums where such "entertainment" is welcomed.
If SATB can't appreciate that, then perhaps he needs to evolve more.
If he has something of substance to share, then he is still free to do, thanks to the patience and forbearance of the Mods! :nod:

[Soullight]

Soullight Im surprised that you havent thanked anyone though quite a few have thanked you.
You havent even thanked the starter of this thread SATB
Why would that be?
Chris

I responded to four people (before writing this reply to you) and thanked three of them. Not sure what you're trying to suggest about me. My intent is good, obvious and clear in what I say.

[greybeard]

Soullight Im surprised that you havent thanked anyone though quite a few have thanked you.
You havent even thanked the starter of this thread SATB
Why would that be?
Chris

I responded to four people (before writing this reply to you) and thanked three of them. Not sure what you're trying to suggest about me. My intent is good, obvious and clear in what I say.

If you thank people but dont use the thank you button it will not show Soullight.
Im not questioning your intent to support what you see as an underdog, perhaps.
A lot of people have thanked your posts 586 times in 106 posts that shows because they hit the thank you button.

Chris

[Soullight]

Soullight Im surprised that you havent thanked anyone though quite a few have thanked you.
You havent even thanked the starter of this thread SATB
Why would that be?
Chris

I responded to four people (before writing this reply to you) and thanked three of them. Not sure what you're trying to suggest about me. My intent is good, obvious and clear in what I say.

If you thank people but dont use the thank you button it will not show Soullight.
Im not questioning your intent to support what you see as an underdog, perhaps.
A lot of people have thanked your posts 586 times in 106 posts that shows because they hit the thank you button.

Chris

Oh that’s cool. Nice that I have support. Wasn’t feeling very encouraged lol. Anyway, I didn’t know about that. Don’t post much or spend lots of time here.

However, IF one post it seems a bit redundant if not unnecessary. As I see it, the post speaks for itself. But IF I didn’t post I might do such a thing. Yet I usually don’t log in unless I post and then I log out.

:thumbsup:

[Mike]

It's ok to remain open-minded about all kinds of stuff, initially, so long as that spirit of open-mindedness doesn't cause you to remain close-minded to the obvious facts, or lack of facts, as the story unfolds.

Being "open-minded" can often be an excuse to remain ignorant.

SATB was not a prolific poster before this thread. He spent a day or 2 basically spamming the forum as a means of getting attention...and when he felt he got it, he started this thread.

And since he has, he has offered nothing verifiable, falsifiable, scientific, or even remotely rational.

There comes a point in these types of threads where being open to the premise requires one to be closed to reason, logic, science, and common sense. For me it happens pretty quickly.

If you make any kind of fantastical claim here, expect to see the sand rushing thru the hour glass; the time provided to offer sensible explanations and evidence is short, as it should be imo. It's the claimant's responsibility to meet that expectation asap. If he or she can't, they're just adding to the noise.

If we haven't learned that lesson by now, I'm afraid we never will

[DeDukshyn]

...It's the claimant's responsibility to meet that expectation asap. If he or she can't, they're just adding to the noise.
...

A simple shift in his presentation, as had been suggested to him, and to drop that arrogance, and he would have been easily on the right track and gained some respect back. It is clear that the formats he uses - which are known manipulation tactics - is the only format he was willing to use. Why?

If the message is so important as he claimed, he would read the audience and tread appropriately, just like any comedian, presenter, MC, lecturer or whatever does with a crowd when they need utmost attention from their audience. But the insistent clinging to only use known manipulation tactics, after concerns have been raised, while saying he has 'very important' information is a huge contradiction.

If he can't appreciate this and have the ability to adjust to a format that enables healthy discussion, then yes, he holds zero value for me, and I don't believe that exposing oneself to manipulation tactics is a required or healthy way to learn anything, and most likely indicates the content is being used only to support the tactic and no other reason.

So the ball is truly in his court, we'll see what he does with it, if anything. I suspect nothing, because it strongly appears his value in the tactics he was using is far greater than the value of his so called "important message" (demonstrated by the fact that he is unwilling to change format to give this message) that he only actually mentioned after people started asking him questions (interestingly enough). His opening post mentioned no such things and only spoke about his own immortality (indicating a big ego - which promoting this ego also seems to have more value to him than this "message" since it was the first thing that came out of his mouth) - he is using the questions to create the narrative. This is disingenuous at best. Corey Goode, Atticus, and other good-for-nothings all use these exact same tactics to woo their audience.


This is why I suggested to him to start over on a new thread with an appropriate format where he just shares this "important message", which he flatly rejected. You have to only ask "why"? Why the requirement for the questions to create the content for him? Maybe he doesn't have a great imagination on his own?

So yes these are all the things that he's expressed, and the onus is on him to determine and express if the value of his "important" message is more valuable than his insistence on using known manipulation tactics to deliver it. We'll see how he responds, which will tell us the answer to this.

Anyway, I'm just repeating myself more or less on this thread, but I do welcome and invite SATB that if he really has an "important message" to share, that he starts again with a bit of humbleness and respect for his audience, in a way that is actually sharing information in a way that is not a known tool of the manipulators. If he truly is not a manipulator and if he feels his message really is that important to share with the world, this should be easy for him to do.

[Soullight]

It's ok to remain open-minded about all kinds of stuff, initially, so long as that spirit of open-mindedness doesn't cause you to remain close-minded to the obvious facts, or lack of facts, as the story unfolds.

Being "open-minded" can often be an excuse to remain ignorant.

SATB was not a prolific poster before this thread. He spent a day or 2 basically spamming the forum as a means of getting attention...and when he felt he got it, he started this thread.

And since he has, he has offered nothing verifiable, falsifiable, scientific, or even remotely rational.

There comes a point in these types of threads where being open to the premise requires one to be closed to reason, logic, science, and common sense. For me it happens pretty quickly.

If you make any kind of fantastical claim here, expect to see the sand rushing thru the hour glass; the time provided to offer sensible explanations and evidence is short, as it should be imo. It's the claimant's responsibility to meet that expectation asap. If he or she can't, they're just adding to the noise.

If we haven't learned that lesson by now, I'm afraid we never will

Thank you for that information.

A few comments.

How do we verify that SATB was
spamming the forum as a means of getting attention I tried to look up his name and see if there were other post but didn't find anything, but I'm not super familiar with how to use everything on this site.

IF anyone is a spammer, LARP, shill, etc, then I have NO PROBLEM with them being removed. I just haven't seen the evidence that compels some here to assume SATB is such. And IF there is irrefutable proof (not just evidence) then he should have been banned and the proof should be posted.


It's likely IF he's legit that he could have just scoped out the forum, and like he basically said, chose this forum for reasons personal to him.

As far as
he has offered nothing verifiable, falsifiable, scientific, or even remotely rational. these things are merely a preference of how some might wish him to communicate. I also like these things, when possible and not biased. And there's actually other values in life that don't require objective forms of these preferences, and yet can still be conveyed through public communication. Such as LOVE. You can convey love although it can't be proven per say, yet some people can feel it and value it while others can't. Same goes for heady people vs. heart people.

But let's assume he is legit. He's CLEARLY stated that he's part of a secret group and basically any information that would divulge that group OR explain how he is immortal was NOT something he was planning on disclosing, if at all possible. Yet SATB was more than willing to answer questions which MAY have followed your stated criteria.

And...
fantastical claim...aside...as this site is loaded with many of them, which many are also not provable (although there might be more evidence here and there), it seems the best thing to do when someone can't disclose certain things is just ask questions and get as much information as you can. Not discourage them.

:)

[Soullight]

...It's the claimant's responsibility to meet that expectation asap. If he or she can't, they're just adding to the noise.
...

A simple shift in his presentation, as had been suggested to him, and to drop that arrogance, and he would have been easily on the right track and gained some respect back. It is clear that the formats he uses - which are known manipulation tactics - is the only format he was willing to use. Why?

If the message is so important as he claimed, he would read the audience and tread appropriately, just like any comedian, presenter, MC, lecturer or whatever does with a crowd when they need utmost attention from their audience. But the insistent clinging to only use known manipulation tactics, after concerns have been raised, while saying he has 'very important' information is a huge contradiction.

If he can't appreciate this and have the ability to adjust to a format that enables healthy discussion, then yes, he holds zero value for me, and I don't believe that exposing oneself to manipulation tactics is a required or healthy way to learn anything, and most likely indicates the content is being used only to support the tactic and no other reason.

So the ball is truly in his court, we'll see what he does with it, if anything. I suspect nothing, because it strongly appears his value in the tactics he was using is far greater than the value of his so called "important message" (demonstrated by the fact that he is unwilling to change format to give this message) that he only actually mentioned after people started asking him questions (interestingly enough). His opening post mentioned no such things and only spoke about his own immortality (indicating a big ego - which promoting this ego also seems to have more value to him than this "message" since it was the first thing that came out of his mouth) - he is using the questions to create the narrative. This is disingenuous at best. Corey Goode, Atticus, and other good-for-nothings all use these exact same tactics to woo their audience.


This is why I suggested to him to start over on a new thread with an appropriate format where he just shares this "important message", which he flatly rejected. You have to only ask "why"? Why the requirement for the questions to create the content for him? Maybe he doesn't have a great imagination on his own?

So yes these are all the things that he's expressed, and the onus is on him to determine and express if the value of his "important" message is more valuable than his insistence on using known manipulation tactics to deliver it. We'll see how he responds, which will tell us the answer to this.

Anyway, I'm just repeating myself more or less on this thread, but I do welcome and invite SATB that if he really has an "important message" to share, that he starts again with a bit of humbleness and respect for his audience, in a way that is actually sharing information in a way that is not a known tool of the manipulators. If he truly is not a manipulator and if he feels his message really is that important to share with the world, this should be easy for him to do.

SATB was VERY specific on what he couldn't say. So this legal "claimant" jargon is a bit silly. If he's legit what he's doing is a gift NOT a legal battle, lol...

I saw NO "arrogance" from him, or "known manipulation tactics". I find it utterly amazing how people interpret things according to their unique perspective or life experiences.

It sure does seem true that "Energy flows where attention goes..."



Speaking of energy...I'm about out of it with this thread. I think I've reached a point where I feel posting further on this thread is not desired. Let's agree to disagree. UNLESS there's proof he was a spammer of course. Yet even then, what I said holds true for MORE than just SATB obviously.

Thanks for everyone's feedback and opinions, especially all the thumbs up. Best of luck to you all.

If SATB returns to answer questions I may again participate.

Cheers
:peace:

[DeDukshyn]

...

I saw NO "arrogance" from him, or "known manipulation tactics".

Cheers
:peace:

Hi Soullight,

I explained how the format he used is used by manipulators in various posts here. I'm not the only one who sees it. I'm not sure how much of an expert you are on these, so I won't judge what I perceive is your knowledge in this area.

Let me give this all the benefit of the doubt and let us say he didn't really mean to use those methods and that format, maybe wasn't aware that they are tactics, and that he really did have some other, honest reason for for the format he chose and it is my mistake for not seeing the innocence in all this ... should he still insist on using them and associating himself and his message with them? And if so, by what motivation?

My invitation stands.

[Mike]

It's ok to remain open-minded about all kinds of stuff, initially, so long as that spirit of open-mindedness doesn't cause you to remain close-minded to the obvious facts, or lack of facts, as the story unfolds.

Being "open-minded" can often be an excuse to remain ignorant.

SATB was not a prolific poster before this thread. He spent a day or 2 basically spamming the forum as a means of getting attention...and when he felt he got it, he started this thread.

And since he has, he has offered nothing verifiable, falsifiable, scientific, or even remotely rational.

There comes a point in these types of threads where being open to the premise requires one to be closed to reason, logic, science, and common sense. For me it happens pretty quickly.

If you make any kind of fantastical claim here, expect to see the sand rushing thru the hour glass; the time provided to offer sensible explanations and evidence is short, as it should be imo. It's the claimant's responsibility to meet that expectation asap. If he or she can't, they're just adding to the noise.

If we haven't learned that lesson by now, I'm afraid we never will

Thank you for that information.

A few comments.

How do we verify that SATB was
spamming the forum as a means of getting attention I tried to look up his name and see if there were other post but didn't find anything, but I'm not super familiar with how to use everything on this site.

IF anyone is a spammer, LARP, shill, etc, then I have NO PROBLEM with them being removed. I just haven't seen the evidence that compels some here to assume SATB is such. And IF there is irrefutable proof (not just evidence) then he should have been banned and the proof should be posted.


It's likely IF he's legit that he could have just scoped out the forum, and like he basically said, chose this forum for reasons personal to him.

As far as
he has offered nothing verifiable, falsifiable, scientific, or even remotely rational. these things are merely a preference of how some might wish him to communicate. I also like these things, when possible and not biased. And there's actually other values in life that don't require objective forms of these preferences, and yet can still be conveyed through public communication. Such as LOVE. You can convey love although it can't be proven per say, yet some people can feel it and value it while others can't. Same goes for heady people vs. heart people.

But let's assume he is legit. He's CLEARLY stated that he's part of a secret group and basically any information that would divulge that group OR explain how he is immortal was NOT something he was planning on disclosing, if at all possible. Yet SATB was more than willing to answer questions which MAY have followed your stated criteria.

And...
fantastical claim...aside...as this site is loaded with many of them, which many are also not provable (although there might be more evidence here and there), it seems the best thing to do when someone can't disclose certain things is just ask questions and get as much information as you can. Not discourage them.

:)


hi Soullight:) i don't want to be the party pooper here. i like topics like these. really do! happy to discuss them, but within their proper context.. and not thru the vague and muddy lens of an egotist holding forth. talking about immortality and saying you're immortal are 2 entirely different things

he's offered very little, at best..and has, as mike said, largely used the questions to create the narrative

if you're interested in SATB posting activity before he started this thread you can click on his name and then click on the view posts option.

truth needs to be our highest value here, imo, above all else, including compassion and love. if we're debating whether or not this man is immortal, we need falsifiable information to prove that one way or another. otherwise it's just a story (whether you're left brained or right brained, heart or head centered..or whatever).

corey goode tells stories. david wilcock tells stories. personally, i'm not interested in stories anymore, particularly when the person telling them is holding themselves up in some kind of exalted position. we've seen where that has gotten us.

awe and wonder are wonderful things, and i suggest we hold to them firmly..but not allow fantasists to take advantage of them and lead us down winding roads to nowhere. objective reality is the anchor that allows us all to remain sane in this stew of uncertainty. we neglect it at our own peril. small steps away from it seem like they might be harmless; but then more steps are taken, and more, and more...and before long we're so far away from shore that we become intellectually lost..drowning in a quicksand of stories

[greybeard]

Hind sight shows that Avalon was very tolerant of previous event where posters used similar ways of expressing without actually saying anything.
A lot of tolerance has been shown here and some frustration, but older members are not naive because of past experience.
How often does one touch the stove before one is aware that it can burn ones hand?
Chris

[Gracy]

truth needs to be our highest value here, imo, above all else, including compassion and love. if we're debating whether or not this man is immortal, we need falsifiable information to prove that one way or another. otherwise it's just a story (whether you're left brained or right brained, heart or head centered..or whatever).

corey goode tells stories. david wilcock tells stories. personally, i'm not interested in stories anymore, particularly when the person telling them is holding themselves up in some kind of exalted position. we've seen where that has gotten us.

Mike, that reminds me of the highly amusing mock thread I started around 4 months ago, where our very own Star Mariner volunteered himself to play the part of our typical story teller making grandiose claims, and taking questions.

He did a darn good job of it too! His time traveling character "Jake" visiting us from the year 2100, takes over the hot seat on Post #6:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109425-Some-questions-for-any-time-traveler

[onawah]

That thread would probably be taking off in a different direction if it were active now!


truth needs to be our highest value here, imo, above all else, including compassion and love. if we're debating whether or not this man is immortal, we need falsifiable information to prove that one way or another. otherwise it's just a story (whether you're left brained or right brained, heart or head centered..or whatever).

corey goode tells stories. david wilcock tells stories. personally, i'm not interested in stories anymore, particularly when the person telling them is holding themselves up in some kind of exalted position. we've seen where that has gotten us.

Mike, that reminds me of the highly amusing mock thread I started around 4 months ago, where our very own Star Mariner volunteered himself to play the part of our typical story teller making grandiose claims, and taking questions.

He did a darn good job of it too! His time traveling character "Jake" visiting us from the year 2100, takes over the hot seat on Post #6:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109425-Some-questions-for-any-time-traveler

[Gracy]

That thread would probably be taking off in a different direction if it were active now!

Ha! Ya think?

I hadn't thought of that angle very good point Natalie! :clapping:

[Mashika]

I think it's worth noting the posts made above yours
Star Mariner
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353397&viewfull=1#post1353397

DeDukshyn
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1353425&viewfull=1#post1353425

Those posts explain very well what he was trying to do, and it wasn't just that he wanted to express his views, no one prevented him from doing that. he was trying to manipulate people using well known technics, this is not the first time i've seen this, nor will be the last i bet

On ATS there are some people who have positioned as "Experts" in several fields using this exact technique, and people believe anything they say blindly no matter how obvious it is that person is just copying answers from somewhere else or being so ambiguous it leaves plenty of room for denying they ever said they were "experts" and such. It's sad to see and people even attack you if you ever try to question the person's credentials. Almost cultish behavior. And it always starts the way this thread started, by dragging people into a non conversation that just elevates the OP to a high but fake perceived level of "knowledge" or "expertise" on some area

Anyways i think this thread ran its course by now, it serves more as material to dissect than to discuss immortality, and yep it was never about immortality to begin with, that was just the hook to gather people around

🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

-

Masha









anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you.


Which part would that be? HE did not show any evidence

Here's some clue let's see if you get it

I belong to a family in Russia that has been around for 1200 years, under different names. I got a lot of "pre-knowledge" integrated into my growing up education. So i can see this guy is a liar, it's clear and obvious to me but not to you

He's a weak liar, you may not want to see it but all the evidence it's out there on his own words

Hello Mashika

The full quote you referenced was “I see no offense in anything you have said since you speak from what you experience to be true and explain very clearly what people are trying to do to you“

I was NOT referencing that he hasn’t provided “evidence” or proof that’s he’s an immortal. I think it’s clear that he won’t provide “proof” (at least that many would see as such) since it’s a secret thing, although he can provide evidence. And that he’s completely open to answering any questions is wonderful and should be encouraged. While attacks towards him aren’t questions and only muddy up the waters IMHO.

Most importantly to my points is that he should have the right to share his views whether people like them or believe they are possible or not. I personally don’t have any way to verify if he’s immortal through anything he could post on a forum. But what I know is that from reading his post he’s done nothing wrong or bad towards anyone (and I’m pretty sure hasn’t violated any of the forums rules). He’s only stated his understandings and is open for dialogue. I find the objections against him to be a bit silly, considering that he claimed that this is a secret, so anyone expecting irrefutable “proof” on this forum is completely missing the point, although this doesn’t mean there isn’t value to his postings.

Further, there are loads of experiences that some people have that other people can’t comprehend since they themselves haven’t had such experiences. For example, you may be intellectually well versed in what “hot” means but until you touch something hot you have missed a certain understanding of what hot was, that your intellect could not grasp.

Similarly, there are conscious internal or even out-of-body experiences where people can have interactions to not only beings but places, including hell like realms. Whether or not these are true, or the results of ones owns bias, or some sort of collective bias, mental aberrations, or a projection of some unknown technology, or power, who knows. But what we do know, at least those well studied in such things, and especially those of us who have experienced inner or OBE realms directly, is that these realms DO exist and are as every bit as real to the experiencer as things in 3D.

Finally, no sane person would harm or wish to cause harm to children, be it physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. To suggest that conveying scary topics (such as the idea of a hell) should be completely banned from this forum would negate sooo much of the horrific content discussed on this forum, from black goo, to war atrocities, etc...the list is huge. Religions aren’t the only cause of atrocities, mind control or enslavement on earth. And frankly I think Shotacrossthebow was not referring to the classical understanding of the Christian type of hell. Regardless, this is not a topic worthy of banning.

:sun:


Thank you,

These post you referenced along with your views are ALL personal opinions of what you think is happening.


I'm sorry but no, they're not, the opinions are based on experience and applying a more logical and scientific method to the claims, as opposed to just having blind faith



That’s fine, there’s good reason for such views in this world, and of course everyone has the right to their opinions.

Yet we don’t completely know SATB intentions (whether he/she/it is legit or not) but what we do know is that he started the thread and he wanted us to ask him any question that we wished. How does a forum get any better than that?

I think it's very clear, based on the evidence he provided himself that he did not had any real interest in discussing the concept but instead he wanted to discuss himself, or more like, he wanted to massage his ego by "accepting questions" as in an AMA in Reddit, when you have proven yourself to be someone who is on some special or specific circumstances. Except people on Reddit that go into an AMA are well known and have proven themselves to be who they claim to be. This guy here did not and probably will never prove any of that. But as said on this thread several times, if he can he should. Evidence, so far and again, says he can't and won't



Instead, there are those that seems more apt to convey their conclusions, or even lash out at him/her/it, because they got rubbed the wrong way by his approach, words, etc.

He concluded we were all here to listen to his tale and ask the questions he wanted us to ask, once someone asked a question that fell out of his narrative or the one he was constructing and requested some evidence, he threw a temper tantrum and ran away from the forum. Does that look to you like a very experienced immortal being?

It doesn't to me, as i have already explained in a previous post, i have known people who are the real deal, and they don't throw a tantrum because someone on the net told you they did not believe you. That's ridiculous and shows the person is fake in several ways



It seems a wasted opportunity when all we had to do was ask him questions. Truthfully, I can’t I say I blame SATB if he ever comes back here, if he wasn’t banned.

As much as any other "wasted opportunities" to let yourself be fooled for a long time and probably get introduced into some cult where you are not able to question and must let yourself brainwashed, we know plenty of those and it's always the same tactics to gather people around



It’s sad...especially considering all of censorship and attacks going on everywhere. How did that children’s rhyme go...”Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”
:(

Is not sad, if he was strong as he tried to show himself to be, he would have known how to dismiss people in a way that would make it clear he was for real

He did not

Let me ask you something just to be sure i understand your approach to this

You said he could possibly be the real deal, but he said he had a "big secret" and he could not disclose it, he also kept talking about "higher ups" and such

The obvious question would be: If he can't release the secret, and he can't give us the info we want. Then why is he talking about it at all? Isn't he supposed to stay quiet?

Talking about a secret while saying you can't tell you that secret, makes sense to you? What would you gain from doing such dumb thing? Risk your life for nothing? He must know he can't hide his location at all, so whatever he wrote is known. He also must know about compartmentalization, yet he acted as if he was so high level he did not care, still he can't talk about "the secret" because of "reasons"... And yet again, he threw a 9 year old kid temper tantrum when someone questioned instead of asking the questions he expected, is that mature for a high level immortal being that is part of some group that has "higher ups" and sounds like part of a movie script?

IT doesn't make any sense, at all. I can only say this, and it's very honest. You seem to want to believe so hard you are blinding yourself badly to the evidence, and throwing all logic away in the name of "maybe"

I'm not feeling like coming back to keep going in this circular argument, there's nothing to learn here, or to figure out at all

So thanks for everything and see you around in the forums, bye now

ETA:



What does it matter how preposterous their claims are? This forum is ALL about such things.

I don't this is true at all, Avalon is not a forum for "preposterous claims", there are plenty other forums for that

Instead, Avalon requires real discussion about the topics and a more scientific approach, you can see that in every thread, there is a lot of back and forth looking for evidence and posting it and discussing it. If you wanted a forum where people just go circling around the real issue and just pretending they don't see the problems with the "theory", and no one will ask for real evidence and everything keeps very low level and such, i know a few places i can recommend LMAO!

I don't know how you figured this forum was for ridiculous claims without any proof. Playing pretend? I stopped playing pretend when i was 10 but i know how to play it still

Have you read this post by SATB?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110222-The-Reality-of-Immortality-amongst-you&p=1351745&viewfull=1#post1351745

I think that says it all. I don't even understand why you keep going around this, he's unstable and he over reacted very badly as soon as someone expressed an opinion he didn't like and that didn't play along with his attempt to gather people and create a narrative. Why are you ignoring the evidence so hard?

It's getting so boring, the same back and forth over something someone said that could or could not be true but most like is not but no one can prove, neither the guy that posted it or anyone else. This is a fool's playground? LMFAO!

- I have a big secret
+ What is it?
- I am immortal
+ Really? Tell us more!!
- I can't, it's a big secret
+ Oh, then why did you say it at all?
- Ask me questions, i have a big secret
+ Ok, why are you saying this?
- I can't tell you, my higher ups will get triggered
+ Ok then, so is there any point in this?
- I have a big secret, ask me questions
+ Are you talking to us or someone else? I don't believe you have a big secret
- I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME!!!!! I DON'T WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE, GIVE ME MY BALL I'M GOING HOME AND I'M GOING TO TELL MY MOM YOU DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAID I HAD A BIG SECRET!!!!!!!!

That's how this thread went

[onawah]

I can't believe this thread has extended to 13 pages!
I hope some lessons have been learned, otherwise what a waste of time and space..

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Your remote viewing targets name is “Phil Barnes” based in Nottingham, England, Wife (immortal) also works/worked at the Nottingham library

Anywhere in the world you get “Death and Birth Certificates” you have a high chance of finding immortals,

They need control of these places for new identities,
Bare in mind, there are systems in place to identify this type of exploitation,
(This use to be used by spy’s during the Cold War, today most by people trying to fake their death are for life insurance, fraud etc,) systems are in place to spot those types of attempts, but obviously if you work within such places it’s a lot easier to exploit, remember at anytime you find one immortal at any one place/job chance are you will find more (they tend to offer each other jobs) more so in this situation, with birth certificates and deaths records, if you find one, chances are they will all be immortal, (I think it has something to do with the way they bypass the monitoring system, (you can’t exploit a system used at such places if you have someone looking over your shoulder, I’m guessing they have a lot of “misfiled data” etc, they know how to circumvent such systems without drawing attention, if found I’m guessing it would just look like an innocent mistake,)

Not every Births/Deaths will be staffed by immortals, but many major cities (or at least state) will have one, it would be one of the easiest place’s to target,

Remember what I’ve said
1. if you find one immortal married, you’ve found two, (I’ve never heard of any immortals having married a non immortal, nor had immortal children (something I thought they would find painful to have, but no) but it sounded like it could be possible (just don’t expect it)
2. If you find one immortal in a work place you will often find more, (in my experience around four or more immortals within a group seems to be common, again they offer other immortals jobs within their group)
3. Certain places like Birth, Death certificates offices will be entirely staffed by immortals, (not all offices, but those that are will be fully staffed by immortals)

To remote view these people is not hard, (but they may try to make it so) but understanding what you see could be, what do you think immortals look like? look for “non human” first,

But be careful chances are very high they will notice you, and may try to “blend in” so try looking from a distance at the whole area, be general, less specific, And when you find something then focus in,

Your best way is to search indirectly, search for their “footprint” of where they have been, the things they have interacted with,
people, places, property, paperwork, etc, indirectly

Try doing a general targeting of facilities that have been used to give immortals new identities, then look at the staff during those periods etc,

Or just try searching for anyone over 150-200 years old, lol

They rely on your disbelief for their primary defence,
So even if you did see something odd, your first thought wouldn’t be “Immortal” it wouldn’t even be on the list of your options,

Know they are real, Know they exist, and that is the first step you need to find them, be persistent, think laterally and you will win,

They will sense any direct contact,
But they can do very little to stop you finding them “indirectly” if they don’t know you are coming, be smart, think lateral, (and remember they are evasive, it’s been kept a secret for a long time for a reason, the age of the internet can bring that to an end, and remove this secrecy by putting it in to the public domain)

I once had a chat with Courtney Brown (author/remote viewer) about this subject, many years ago (This was in the early years when I first noticed things were wrong and considered going public back then, and before Brown went off the rails) I had experienced something first hand he had written about in one of his books, it was impressive, and confirmed to me he had ability,

He did not want to discuss this subject in detail (immortals) but did confirmed they were real, (lol) so if he can find them, so can you,

Remote Viewing is your only real choice for most of you to investigating this subject first hand, (biometrics technology will make this easier in the future, but remember they will try to infiltrate any institution that would control such data)

Once you have parts of the puzzle via remote viewing you can use that as a starting point to further your investigation in other traditional ways,

You could also ask any E.T
They will not want to divulge this information freely, but push them on the subject, don’t get deflected,
They all know about this, yet have said nothing about this,
Makes you wonder what else they know that they don’t discuss...



Reasons for me doing this,
I would never be doing this if there was not something seriously wrong,
Wrong in the sense of hurting people, to the degree of causing deaths,

Not from neglect
Not from mistakes
But by precalculate, planned, systematic harm, (if it had a legitimate reason it would not get ignored, brushed off and buried, etc over the years I heard many many different excuses for trying to achieve the same malicious goal, the goal never changed, the BS excuses did, its entrenched corruption, hard to draw attention to because they try to suppress it and play it down, (my word didn’t mean much, I’m a newbie so they claimed I didn’t know what I was talking about) so I’m forced to go outside the normal system (does not work, compromised) and draw attention from outside the normal group by making a loud enough sh!t storm to drawing mortal attention to this, something they don’t want, (secrets exposed)

Damage would have been minimal,
Most people would not believe it, others that do would do little if anything with it, (it’s the government’s and organisations they care about more, the people who could use this if they knew it was true,)

If they did only good (as they should) I would not be here,

To put this in to context:
Did you know satan, and a third of the angels fell?
Did you know they were walking around Heaven at the time?
Think about it, satan and one third of the angels that turned evil were in heaven, evil in heaven, It did not come from outside,

Archangel Michael and his army had to fight and throw them out,
otherwise they would still be there...


My life mission:
Like everyone else i had a life mission before coming to Earth,

You all have a life mission, something to learn or something to do while here, (most of the time both) It’s planned, wether it’s just meet x raise a family, or find the cure to Y etc, Everyone has a life mission,

Mine was extremely narrow,
(If you find what I’ve already written hard to believe, leave now, this will not help you)

My life was to prepare for the potential of an upcoming war,
To be a resistance fighter against what is called the “deep state” (it’s a global deep state, not only in the U.S)

My job was to fight, to try and keep people alive, and help people resist,(the deep state planned to round people up for slaughter)

My job was a backup to the job Q (and +) are doing,
If they had failed it would have meant war, mass deaths at the hands of their own (deep state controlled) governments,

My job was to help fight back, to buy time, (not to win the war, just buy time) months (three to six) in to the fighting the US after defeating their own “deep state” would come over and helped beat our “deep state”

All I had to do was fight, keep people alive till the US showed up,

That was the plan,
I was one of many globally with the same job,

I became “retired” last year, (in second half of 2019)

That’s how I know the worst is over,
(And believe this or not, I’m grateful every day that I’d didn’t need to see people suffering nor get my hands dirty (blooded), not that I couldn’t handle it, I would not have volunteered for this, nor be chosen for this job if not equipped to do so, I’m so grateful all the same)

Again, believe it or not, my Dad was special forces (Commando)
My mother was teaching me judo and karate at the age of three onwards,
If there is such a thing as a born “survivalist” that was me, (I was the only kid that carried EDC to junior school, along time before EDC was a thing lol)

I could go in to further detail,
I know there are going to be many that will not believe this, (that’s fine)
But for those that do, I hope you get some solace from fact the people upstairs are looking out for you, even when you don’t see it,

[Mashika]

Your remote viewing targets name is “Phil Barnes” based in Nottingham, England, Wife (immortal) also works/worked at the Nottingham library

Anywhere in the world you get “Death and Birth Certificates” you have a high chance of finding immortals,

They need control of these places for new identities,
Bare in mind, there are systems in place to identify this type of exploitation,
(This use to be used by spy’s during the Cold War, today most by people trying to fake their death are for life insurance, fraud etc,) systems are in place to spot those types of attempts, but obviously if you work within such places it’s a lot easier to exploit, remember at anytime you find one immortal at any one place/job chance are you will find more (they tend to offer each other jobs) more so in this situation, with birth certificates and deaths records, if you find one, chances are they will all be immortal, (I think it has something to do with the way they bypass the monitoring system, (you can’t exploit a system used at such places if you have someone looking over your shoulder, I’m guessing they have a lot of “misfiled data” etc, they know how to circumvent such systems without drawing attention, if found I’m guessing it would just look like an innocent mistake,)

Not every Births/Deaths will be staffed by immortals, but many major cities (or at least state) will have one, it would be one of the easiest place’s to target,

Remember what I’ve said
1. if you find one immortal married, you’ve found two, (I’ve never heard of any immortals having married a non immortal, nor had immortal children (something I thought they would find painful to have, but no) but it sounded like it could be possible (just don’t expect it)
2. If you find one immortal in a work place you will often find more, (in my experience around four or more immortals within a group seems to be common, again they offer other immortals jobs within their group)
3. Certain places like Birth, Death certificates offices will be entirely staffed by immortals, (not all offices, but those that are will be fully staffed by immortals)

To remote view these people is not hard, (but they may try to make it so) but understanding what you see could be, what do you think immortals look like? look for “non human” first,

But be careful chances are very high they will notice you, and may try to “blend in” so try looking from a distance at the whole area, be general, less specific, And when you find something then focus in,

Your best way is to search indirectly, search for their “footprint” of where they have been, the things they have interacted with,
people, places, property, paperwork, etc, indirectly

Try doing a general targeting of facilities that have been used to give immortals new identities, then look at the staff during those periods etc,

Or just try searching for anyone over 150-200 years old, lol

They rely on your disbelief for their primary defence,
So even if you did see something odd, your first thought wouldn’t be “Immortal” it wouldn’t even be on the list of your options,

Know they are real, Know they exist, and that is the first step you need to find them, be persistent, think laterally and you will win,

They will sense any direct contact,
But they can do very little to stop you finding them “indirectly” if they don’t know you are coming, be smart, think lateral, (and remember they are evasive, it’s been kept a secret for a long time for a reason, the age of the internet can bring that to an end, and remove this secrecy by putting it in to the public domain)

I once had a chat with Courtney Brown (author/remote viewer) about this subject, many years ago (This was in the early years when I first noticed things were wrong and considered going public back then, and before Brown went off the rails) I had experienced something first hand he had written about in one of his books, it was impressive, and confirmed to me he had ability,

He did not want to discuss this subject in detail (immortals) but did confirmed they were real, (lol) so if he can find them, so can you,

Remote Viewing is your only real choice for most of you to investigating this subject first hand, (biometrics technology will make this easier in the future, but remember they will try to infiltrate any institution that would control such data)

Once you have parts of the puzzle via remote viewing you can use that as a starting point to further your investigation in other traditional ways,

You could also ask any E.T
They will not want to divulge this information freely, but push them on the subject, don’t get deflected,
They all know about this, yet have said nothing about this,
Makes you wonder what else they know that they don’t discuss...



Reasons for me doing this,
I would never be doing this if there was not something seriously wrong,
Wrong in the sense of hurting people, to the degree of causing deaths,

Not from neglect
Not from mistakes
But by precalculate, planned, systematic harm, (if it had a legitimate reason it would not get ignored, brushed off and buried, etc over the years I heard many many different excuses for trying to achieve the same malicious goal, the goal never changed, the BS excuses did, its entrenched corruption, hard to draw attention to because they try to suppress it and play it down, (my word didn’t mean much, I’m a newbie so they claimed I didn’t know what I was talking about) so I’m forced to go outside the normal system (does not work, compromised) and draw attention from outside the normal group by making a loud enough sh!t storm to drawing mortal attention to this, something they don’t want, (secrets exposed)

Damage would have been minimal,
Most people would not believe it, others that do would do little if anything with it, (it’s the government’s and organisations they care about more, the people who could use this if they knew it was true,)

If they did only good (as they should) I would not be here,

To put this in to context:
Did you know satan, and a third of the angels fell?
Did you know they were walking around Heaven at the time?
Think about it, satan and one third of the angels that turned evil were in heaven, evil in heaven, It did not come from outside,

Archangel Michael and his army had to fight and throw them out,
otherwise they would still be there...


My life mission:
Like everyone else i had a life mission before coming to Earth,

You all have a life mission, something to learn or something to do while here, (most of the time both) It’s planned, wether it’s just meet x raise a family, or find the cure to Y etc, Everyone has a life mission,

Mine was extremely narrow,
(If you find what I’ve already written hard to believe, leave now, this will not help you)

My life was to prepare for the potential of an upcoming war,
To be a resistance fighter against what is called the “deep state” (it’s a global deep state, not only in the U.S)

My job was to fight, to try and keep people alive, and help people resist,(the deep state planned to round people up for slaughter)

My job was a backup to the job Q (and +) are doing,
If they had failed it would have meant war, mass deaths at the hands of their own (deep state controlled) governments,

My job was to help fight back, to buy time, (not to win the war, just buy time) months (three to six) in to the fighting the US after defeating their own “deep state” would come over and helped beat our “deep state”

All I had to do was fight, keep people alive till the US showed up,

That was the plan,
I was one of many globally with the same job,

I became “retired” last year, (in second half of 2019)

That’s how I know the worst is over,
(And believe this or not, I’m grateful every day that I’d didn’t need to see people suffering nor get my hands dirty (blooded), not that I couldn’t handle it, I would not have volunteered for this, nor be chosen for this job if not equipped to do so, I’m so grateful all the same)

Again, believe it or not, my Dad was special forces (Commando)
My mother was teaching me judo and karate at the age of three onwards,
If there is such a thing as a born “survivalist” that was me, (I was the only kid that carried EDC to junior school, along time before EDC was a thing lol)

I could go in to further detail,
I know there are going to be many that will not believe this, (that’s fine)
But for those that do, I hope you get some solace from fact the people upstairs are looking out for you, even when you don’t see it,

Honestly this is ridiculous, here's why

1. You just posted a condensed story about all current things that would make you "important" and current, there are so many ridiculous holes in your "Story" anyone should be able to see them. Too bad some don't
2. It is always the same, people talking about "i knew this was going to happen way before" but all of them have the same mediocre path: To only say so after the fact
3. None of what you said is really anything new, anyone can/could say the same and have an even better story than yours, and just saying "I know there are going to be many that will not believe this, (that’s fine)" has to be one of the lamest excuses in the entire world. You need the appreciation/attention otherwise you would not be here if you did not care what other people think. That's perfectly clear so pretending you don't care if you are not believed is a psycho infantile attitude in a way. Too bad
4. Coming back after so many days and posting this half baked fantasy while ignoring every single post since the last time you posted is terrible bad manners, for someone who claims to be who you claim to be, i would have thought you had better education than that. Everyone who kept track knows you logged in before and did not post anything, you just had enough time to address people but you did not. I don't have any doubt about why you ignore people, by the way
5. The Q and stuff story is lame, bland and lacks any originality and energy, you ran out of things to say to keep things interesting and it shows badly, next thing we'll hear is that you are "the secret son of Marilyn Monroe and John F. Kennedy"... LMAO



I could go in to further detail

Yes you could, doesn't mean you must, or should :P

This is the Avalon version of what some people post on Facebook in Sales groups or local town groups that go clean up streets or help homeless people.

Basically saying "I know this group is not for this, but let me tell you about my ex who cheated on me.. because i need attention and someone to think i'm special in some way" on a group dedicated to history and restoration of old furniture... That's about how you acted so far on this last post

You should FIRST address the people who asked questions, or dedicated some time to your thread. Then you can post your next "stuff", meh

Please have good manners and don't ignore people, it makes you look terrible bad

By the way.... IF you are who said you are, you will be able to answer this question no problem and easy



How do you walk the planks?


I'm going to edit this post again, because i have another question i want to ask, please bear with me for a bit, because i'm about to abuse some privilege and act all ridiculous due to it, right now :)

Here's the second question:

Given the chance, and it if mattered, which one of this would you chose? Based on your words so far, you must know the answer :)

This one?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43678&d=1590226427

Or this one?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43677&d=1590226357


Some points to clear things up:

- One of these is not mine, the other one is mine and with me right now
- One of this is from the 20 century, the other one is around 400 years old
- Both are very cheap, but were well kept anyways even if they were cheap right from the start. Sometimes, value doesn't come from anything but age and who gave the present at the time
- These are not originals pictures, no 'real' location tracking :P

So, given the chance or need, which one would you chose? This is no trick question, it's more about learning how much do you actually understand, given your own claims so far

Hoping to hear back from you soon, and don't skip my first question, or wait until someone comment and ride that train away from me. Don't take the easy way out :)

[thepainterdoug]

Mashika/ I really dont care much for the topic of this original post, however salute you for your attentive response .

regarding the crosses, your giving a 50/50 multiple choice chance. perhaps you should raise the odds? :clapping:

[Mashika]

Mashika/ I really dont care much for the topic of this original post, however salute you for your attentive response .

regarding the crosses, your giving a 50/50 multiple choice chance. perhaps you should raise the odds? :clapping:

Thanks :)

I thought about elaborating a bit more about the history of one of those crosses, but i must not.

Pretty sure if this guy knows or is who he claims to be, he will be able to show based on what i said. So i wish to wait until he keeps logging in to Avalon and remains silent because he simply can't/don't/will not answer me directly

Let's wait for a bit, i believe (mostly) no one here will be dissappointed by the end results :)

[edina]

When I woke up this morning, I saw an image of people remote viewing the target.

I got a sense that many people have taken on this target.

[Agape]

I wonder why does the original poster think that such immortals should be sought for and questioned, even involuntarily and that such heroic task could be accomplished by mere humans?
Sounds like “go capture one of those and grill them a lot”.

And now, after Mashika exposed both of her crosses we have a double exposure.

If there is a story behind everything that is not a human story the chances of explaining it to humans in their tongues is rather small,
talking from years of experience.

[TomKat]

Your remote viewing targets name is “Phil Barnes” based in Nottingham, England, Wife (immortal) also works/worked at the Nottingham library

"Ben Abba" said he found his immortal in England via remote viewing. Hello, Ben.

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

Any valid questions?

I’m not going to be here much longer,