How reliable are the COVID-19 tests?

[Reinhard]

Hi Avalonians,
it seems, we are all tangled up in a clutter of interdepended threads of facts, lies, dark hidden agendas, fear-provoked assumptions and 'educated' guesses or hopes.

One way to deal with this complex mess is to identify the knots.
For me one of the main focus points are the tests and their reliability
(you know: starting with those silly temperature guns, PCR, all the way to MRI etc).
I am quite familiar with Jon Rappoport's (highly recommended) take on the tests, but I would like to find additional scientific info.
So: what are those tests measuring? What is the scientific basis?

It should be important to clarify those questions, in light of the far-reaching political decisions that have been made already, and will be made in the near future--especially, when it comes to forced vaccinations.
And I'm not even considering the next, even more complex, question of the synergistic effects of all those other 'causes'!

Any info on the tests??!

Reinhard

[RogeRio]

So: what are those tests measuring? What is the scientific basis?


"follow" the test Kits .. from CDC faq (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/testing-laboratories.html), you can see ...

CDC provides the test kits for public health laboratories (PHLs) to perform real-time RT-polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) detection of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus that causes COVID-19) in respiratory specimens.

These Test Kits are available through the International Reagent Resource (https://www.internationalreagentresource.org/Home.aspx) (IRR)

----

if you make a research on Catalog of IRR to "corona virus" (https://www.internationalreagentresource.org/Catalog.aspx?q=corona%20virus), you'll find


.
FR-302 - Human Coronavirus, Strain OC43 (ATCC® VR-1558™) - Non-Influenza Virus

FR-303 - Human Coronavirus, Strain 229E (ATCC® VR-740™) - Non-Influenza Virus

FR-304 - Human Coronavirus, Strain NL63 - Non-Influenza Virus

---

FR-605 - Genomic RNA from Human Coronavirus, Strain OC43 (ATCC® VR-1558™) - Genetic Materials

FR-606 - Genomic RNA from Human Coronavirus, Strain 229E (ATCC® VR-740™) - Genetic Materials

FR-804 - Genomic RNA from Human Coronavirus, Strain NL63 - Genetic Materials

[Cardillac]

Hi Reinhard,

there are no 100% reliable tests in the medical industry; one must always take human error into account among many other things-

I was this afternoon in Mulhouse in the Alsace and the entire core of the city was practically empty due to fear of the Corona Virus-

the Alsace has been declared a danger zone but not yet my area in Freiburg-

lass es Dir gut gehen und bleib gesund!

Larry :-)

[Luke Holiday]

Hello

I firmly stand with the highly revered and respected Mr. Rapporport on this one. In my medical training I remember hearing the exact same information regarding viral testing that jon has been vehemently articulating over the last several years.

WOW - I just heard that the NBA has suspended all play indefinitely . Damn I did not see that coming ….http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0406%20Facepalm.gif

It appears the cabal has just implemented a full court press on their plan... So, who will be first in line for that mandatory vaccine....

I cannot wait to see what the reactions are followed buy the solutions they will propose and attempt to install....

May we all have the tomorrow we deserve...


Wishing you the best

Luke

[Luke Holiday]

Corona virus deaths worldwide = 4000 World population 7.6 billion

Corona virus deaths in the United states = 30 US population = 330 million

(current CDC numbers as afternoon 3/12/20)

influenza virus deaths per year 12,000 – 79,000 deaths annually since 2010. source Wikipedia/ CDC (Influenza deaths worldwide this year = 18,000)
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Now lets look at the percentages:

1. Percentage of people who have died in the US from CV = .000009 % of the US population

2. Percentage of the population who have died worldwide from the CV =.0005% of the worldwide population


In the words of the great NBA legend Allen Iverson: What are we talkin 'bout here....

Part of the definition of epidemic/pandemic is "involving large numbers of people"

By definition this IS NOT AN EPIDEMIC OR PANDEMIC nor has it proven to be as virulent as the common flu virus!!!!


So, now lets begin to discuss what is really going on, what the future holds and how we can all best get through this!!!

Be well

[Bill Ryan]

Corona virus deaths worldwide = 4000 World population 7.6 billion

Corona virus deaths in the United states = 30 US population = 330 million

(current CDC numbers as afternoon 3/12/20)

influenza virus deaths per year 12,000 – 79,000 deaths annually since 2010. source Wikipedia/ CDC (Influenza deaths worldwide this year = 18,000)
-


Now lets look at the percentages:

1. Percentage of people who have died in the US from CV = .000009 % of the US population

2. Percentage of the population who have died worldwide from the CV =.0005% of the worldwide population


In the words of the great NBA legend Allen Iverson: What are we talkin 'bout here....

Part of the definition of epidemic/pandemic is "involving large numbers of people"

By definition this IS NOT AN EPIDEMIC OR PANDEMIC nor has it proven to be as virulent as the common flu virus!!!!


http://projectavalon.net/The_Six_Stages_of_Awareness_Denial.gif

I'm going to post this screenshot (© Chris Martenson), with my own added emphasis, each time you post something unhelpful like this — until you're able to make the personal adjustment steps to realize what's really happening here, and what will happen soon.

[DSKlausler]

CDC and WHO: is it not common knowledge that these are completely compromised arms of Big Pharma? As such, you cannot trust ANYTHING they say or do.

[Agape]

Sorry I’ve closed couple of good research pages on the topic last night due to bad weather.

These virological test are getting more refined so more reliable than any previous virological tests. However, according to latest observations of epidemiologists working “in the field” it may take up to two weeks for some individuals to develop antibodies against the virus.
Some people develop very low immune response or perhaps, fall right under measurable drop line even then they are still carriers and potential transmitters of viruses.

The coronavirus binds to cell walls, talking of soft and easy to penetrate epithelial cells in the fore front that is nasal and breathing tubes using RNA lipoprotein based enzyme the reverse-transcriptase that binds to interleukin receptors in the cell wall.
The coronavirus offers a deceitful information to the cell wall that looks like “tasty fat” for example but instead it’s an invading RNA.
The trick of good immunity system is too recognise “an alien invader” to the body and not to mistake it for “food”.

Once your body inspects and analyses the “alien agent” for sufficient amount of time it usually triggers sufficient immune response towards it and that’s a measurable response.

Remind us again that we carry thousands of viral and bacterial strands in our bodies at all times( depending where we have moved and travelled around the globe) and many people still carry part of the initial microbiome donated by their mothers at birth and other relatives who looked after them.
( unless you grew up with wolves and then your microbiome would be part of theirs to huge degree).

It’s been so taught previously that we all carry at least one copy of even the most dangerous microbes in our bodies( think anthrax) but are harmless to us in small numbers usually coinhabiting some other harmless bacterial family,
their presence in our environments is extremely diluted so mostly harmless to us.

People are being admitted to hospitals based on the acuteness of symptoms rather than these tests so the amount of “infected population” out there is logically times bigger than numbers confirmed.

[Reinhard]

.... I should have known.....complex topics are hard to keep on track ;)............

Luke: thank you for putting the topic into a statistical perspective; the figures should be mentioned more often.
Btw, As far as I remember one of the main aspects of the pandemic definition is the contagiousness (on an international basis)....seems like the WHO/CDC has changed this definition until even small numbers of 'infected' people could be considered an 'epidemic'.

Bill: it's quite tempting to use Elizabeth Kübler Ross's "grief cycle" (how people cope with illness and dying) for any kind of awareness and acceptance of change like Martenson does -- I've done this repeatedly in my seminars myself. In our case, though, I think it's too simplistic to narrow the process down to a final acceptance of the inevitable.

My intention with this thread is: no matter what the outcome of this round of panic is, we at Avalon, could use this SARS variant to derive the basic questions in a learning-process, somewhat parallel to the 'reality' development. ----- The next 'pandemic' will inevidently come -- probably in 2021 !!!

Those basic questions could be:
"How reliable are the COVID 19 tests" --- i.e. "What's so new about this 'new' Coronavirus?" ---- "How does it differ from a common flu?"
"How does the 'virus' "jump" human-to-human?" --- resp. "(How) is it mutating?"
"Are there proofs / or at least indications about a possible bio-weapon manipulation?" ---- in an era of CRIPR that seems very well be possible....
"How relevant is the "psycho-weapon" aspect --- i.e. stoking fears via 'experts', politicians, media .... all with their own agenda and in the know how to use their influence?"

Well, well...............questions, questions................

Reinhard





Corona virus deaths worldwide = 4000 World population 7.6 billion

Corona virus deaths in the United states = 30 US population = 330 million

(current CDC numbers as afternoon 3/12/20)

influenza virus deaths per year 12,000 – 79,000 deaths annually since 2010. source Wikipedia/ CDC (Influenza deaths worldwide this year = 18,000)
-


Now lets look at the percentages:

1. Percentage of people who have died in the US from CV = .000009 % of the US population

2. Percentage of the population who have died worldwide from the CV =.0005% of the worldwide population


In the words of the great NBA legend Allen Iverson: What are we talkin 'bout here....

Part of the definition of epidemic/pandemic is "involving large numbers of people"

By definition this IS NOT AN EPIDEMIC OR PANDEMIC nor has it proven to be as virulent as the common flu virus!!!!


http://projectavalon.net/The_Six_Stages_of_Awareness_Denial.gif

I'm going to post this screenshot (© Chris Martenson), with my own added emphasis, each time you post something unhelpful like this — until you're able to make the personal adjustment steps to realize what's really happening here, and what will happen soon.

[Luke Holiday]

Corona virus deaths worldwide = 4000 World population 7.6 billion

Corona virus deaths in the United states = 30 US population = 330 million

(current CDC numbers as afternoon 3/12/20)

influenza virus deaths per year 12,000 – 79,000 deaths annually since 2010. source Wikipedia/ CDC (Influenza deaths worldwide this year = 18,000)
-


Now lets look at the percentages:

1. Percentage of people who have died in the US from CV = .000009 % of the US population

2. Percentage of the population who have died worldwide from the CV =.0005% of the worldwide population


In the words of the great NBA legend Allen Iverson: What are we talkin 'bout here....

Part of the definition of epidemic/pandemic is "involving large numbers of people"

By definition this IS NOT AN EPIDEMIC OR PANDEMIC nor has it proven to be as virulent as the common flu virus!!!!


http://projectavalon.net/The_Six_Stages_of_Awareness_Denial.gif

I'm going to post this screenshot (© Chris Martenson), with my own added emphasis, each time you post something unhelpful like this — until you're able to make the personal adjustment steps to realize what's really happening here, and what will happen soon.


Hello Bill


THank you for the strong rebuttal to the post as it I believe it will allow myself and others to gain greater clarity on this most important issue. :)


In reply I would like to make the following points and get your feedback


.1. The intention of the post was to highlight a point of view being expressed by the likes of Jon Rappoport, Sean Hannity, and Gerald Celente. This idea motivated me to look at the data/ fact check using the definintion of a pandemic and CDC data. I was somewhat surprised by what I found.

2. Bill in your Post you inferred that I was implying that the CV is the flu - I was not.

3. Bill if I may ask for my own (and maybe other's) clarity) what is it about the information presented that you have found wrong , offensive or not helpful? ( - to me it appears as if the numbers are very clear regarding the term pandemic/epidemic).

4. In hindsight perhaps I could left out the AI reference :)



-Again thank you for the rebuttal and the chance to "pump the brakes and look at this most important issue a little closer" and gain greater clarity

Blessings Luke

[Reinhard]

Agape: thank you for that clear input........helps even an non-expert like myself to understand what we are dealing with!

Reinhard




Sorry I’ve closed couple of good research pages on the topic last night due to bad weather.

These virological test are getting more refined so more reliable than any previous virological tests. However, according to latest observations of epidemiologists working “in the field” it may take up to two weeks for some individuals to develop antibodies against the virus.
Some people develop very low immune response or perhaps, fall right under measurable drop line even then they are still carriers and potential transmitters of viruses.

The coronavirus binds to cell walls, talking of soft and easy to penetrate epithelial cells in the fore front that is nasal and breathing tubes using RNA lipoprotein based enzyme the reverse-transcriptase that binds to interleukin receptors in the cell wall.
The coronavirus offers a deceitful information to the cell wall that looks like “tasty fat” for example but instead it’s an invading RNA.
The trick of good immunity system is too recognise “an alien invader” to the body and not to mistake it for “food”.

Once your body inspects and analyses the “alien agent” for sufficient amount of time it usually triggers sufficient immune response towards it and that’s a measurable response.

Remind us again that we carry thousands of viral and bacterial strands in our bodies at all times( depending where we have moved and travelled around the globe) and many people still carry part of the initial microbiome donated by their mothers at birth and other relatives who looked after them.
( unless you grew up with wolves and then your microbiome would be part of theirs to huge degree).

It’s been so taught previously that we all carry at least one copy of even the most dangerous microbes in our bodies( think anthrax) but are harmless to us in small numbers usually coinhabiting some other harmless bacterial family,
their presence in our environments is extremely diluted so mostly harmless to us.

People are being admitted to hospitals based on the acuteness of symptoms rather than these tests so the amount of “infected population” out there is logically times bigger than numbers confirmed.

[Luke Holiday]

Luke: thank you for putting the topic into a statistical perspective; the figures should be mentioned more often.
Btw, As far as I remember one of the main aspects of the pandemic definition is the contagiousness (on an international basis)....seems like the WHO/CDC has changed this definition until even small numbers of 'infected' people could be considered an 'epidemic'.


Yes I think it would helpful if CDC would clarity/quantify "contagiousness" say as"
1. % of population infected/affected
2. rate of spread of dz

Major thanks for the clarification on this thread as these are crucial questions to have answers for and gain clarity on as we move forward


BLessings luke

[Satori]

911 was real, but it was and is a cover for a larger, more nefarious global agenda. Covid19 is real, but it is a cover for a larger, more nefarious global agenda.

Far too many people are buying into the panic triggers being put out there. Others perhaps are underestimating things. Use common sense and don’t panic.

But, I do believe we should remain free to express our beliefs and opinions about this. No one is required to accept our views and opinions. That is a matter of choice and free will.

I smell a big fat rat, but I can’t quite locate it: where it was, where it is, and where it’s going.

[Luke Holiday]

Hello Reinhard

I Just received Jon Rappoport's latest article on the CV testing process which I believe is very apropos to this thread. In my opinion, Jon is the best when it comes to investigative journalism on the topics of virus's/vaccines/pandemics and he has been spot on in his daily coverage of the CV over the last month.

Here is the article which can also be found on his website Nomorefakenews.com

Coronavirus: how a rational CDC scientist would think, if one existed
(To read about Jon's mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)
In a recent article, I explained why the diagnostic test for the coronavirus in a patient is worthless and unreliable. The implications of that fact are enormous.

Here, I want to make further comments on fake science.

A rational researcher, at the CDC, if one existed, would say, upon hearing of a possible outbreak in the city of Wuhan: "Let's see the proof that a new virus is responsible, is the causative agent."

What kind of proof would he be asking for?

First, he would want to know, "Do researchers there have an actual biological specimen of this new virus? Do they have the real thing?"

And if the answer came back yes, he would reply, "We're sending in one of our Wuhan people so he can confirm that."

But how would the confirmation work? You can't just lay a specimen of a virus on a table and shine a light on it. It's far too small to see.

There is a traditional method of observation. It's called an electron microscope photograph (an EM). Certain established procedures exist for obtaining an EM from a patient's tissue sample. The CDC scientist would want to make sure the Chinese scientists had carried out this process correctly.

He would say, "Let's have a look at the Chinese EM." He wants to confirm there are many identical particles of the new virus in the EM. Let's buck the odds and imagine he does confirm it. So far, so good.

But there is more. And here is where the rubber meets the road and the failure factor is very high. I need to back up a bit to explain.

When a clinical trial of a new drug is done (and here I'll make a gigantic leap and assume it's done correctly), is it carried out on one patient?

Is the result of giving the drug to a single patient then extrapolated to mean everyone will react the way this one person did? Of course not. That would be absurd. In a clinical trial, sooner or later, researchers are dealing with a large number of volunteers. A thousand or more.

So, in the case of a new coronavirus, in China, the rational CDC scientist would say: "I want to see electron microscope photographs derived from five hundred patients who have been provisionally diagnosed with the new disease."

I myself ask, where are these photographs? Where are the completely necessary photographs? Because the Chinese scientist would tell his CDC counterpart, "Oh, we didn't carry out the EM procedure on five hundred patients. We carried it out on one. Two. Maybe three. I'm not sure."

At which point, this fantasy rational CDC scientist would blow his stack. He would say, "You're declaring a new epidemic based on two or three photographs from two or three patients??"

Of course, I would need rock solid proof that, at the CDC, there is a rational scientist who would ask for EM pictures from five hundred patients, and explode if he couldn't find them because they were never done. Show me such a rational CDC scientist. Bring him forward. I want to interview him. I want to find out how he feels being ostracized by every other scientist at the CDC.

Consider this likely scenario---which explains why researchers only did the EMs on two or three of the patients. If someone actually performed the electron microscope work on 500 patients diagnosed with the new disease, he would find some indication, in the photographs, of a coronavirus in maybe nine patients.

At which point, in Wuhan, they would shrug and say, "Well, wow, that didn't work out. What a flop. Our hypothesis of a new disease based on a new coronavirus collapsed. We should have been able to see lots of the virus in the photos from ALL 500 patients, or at least the overwhelming percentage of the 500. And we didn't. Back to the drawing board. Let's see. What's the primary sign of the new disease? Pneumonia? Come to think of it, about 300,000 people in China die of pneumonia every year. How about we look at some studies on the air quality here in Wuhan? I think my colleague down the block has a pile of them. Let's walk over there. Anybody have a searchlight so we can see the street through the fog of pollution? Let me get my oxygen tank and breathing helmet."

And that would be the end of that.

Back in Atlanta, the rational CDC scientist would say to his colleagues, "That Chinese outbreak wasn't a virus. How about we spend the afternoon going through some of our own studies on vaccines? I know the fraud is rampant. Let's get it out in the open."

Sure. Happens every day over at the CDC.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe someone has done electron microscope photographs derived from 500 patients diagnosed with the new epidemic disease. LET'S SEE THE PHOTOS. SHOW THEM TO ME. We'll have a few non-conflicted experts analyze them.

Otherwise, don't talk about science. There is no science going on.

Talk about fakery. And liability. And prison.


Blessings Luke

[Floating]

Part of the confusion that I have read is that the virus has mutated. L and S forms. What does the test evaluate for?

A simple throat swab and a quick RIA test? Hmmmm. Looks like a good way to gather lots of DNA samples at the same time. Hmmmm

[Bill Ryan]

This short (6 minute) interview is very revealing and interesting about what the testing protocols were in China.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY

[wegge]

This short (6 minute) interview is very revealing and interesting about what the testing protocols were in China.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY

Interesting procedure of the Chinese, but doesn’t dig into the PCR test, which seems to be their gold standard - does the test itself withstand a thorough test?

To recap what Rappoport stated in one article what needs to be done is to TEST THE TEST:

Take a hundred people that show a variety of symptoms, test them with the gold-standard PCR Test. Have independent researchers see how big the VIRUSLOAD (is that the correct term?) is. And then see if they can deduce from this virusload who is how sick. So for example the guy with the most virus in him, like 10 million (random number), should be waaaaay more sick than the guy only having a mere 500 thousand viri (is that the plural of virus) in him?

So has a TEST FOR THE TEST ever been done and are there studies about it? Otherwise it’s a lot to do with correlation/causation, meaning just if something shows up with something at the same time (correlation) it’s not the (only) causative factor.

Would be interesting for any branch of medicine, wouldn’t it?

[Luke Holiday]

This short (6 minute) interview is very revealing and interesting about what the testing protocols were in China.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY

Interesting procedure of the Chinese, but doesn’t dig into the PCR test, which seems to be their gold standard - does the test itself withstand a thorough test?

To recap what Rappoport stated in one article what needs to be done is to TEST THE TEST:

Take a hundred people that show a variety of symptoms, test them with the gold-standard PCR Test. Have independent researchers see how big the VIRUSLOAD (is that the correct term?) is. And then see if they can deduce from this virusload who is how sick. So for example the guy with the most virus in him, like 10 million (random number), should be waaaaay more sick than the guy only having a mere 500 thousand viri (is that the plural of virus) in him?

So has a TEST FOR THE TEST ever been done and are there studies about it? Otherwise it’s a lot to do with correlation/causation, meaning just if something shows up with something at the same time (correlation) it’s not the (only) causative factor.

Would be interesting for any branch of medicine, wouldn’t it?Real quick: to piggie back onto what wegge has eloguently pointed out:

The other major question mark regarding China's screening process is the CT scan looking for specific lung damage :

Problem being- Wuhan is one of the most polluted cities in the world where people were already wearing protective masks prior to the CV.

Jon points out that Wuhan - prior to CV - had an extremely high rate of Pneumonia/lung dz/upper respiratory distress compared to the rest of the world.

So, what we want to see are studies which compare the cadavers lungs from China to those who have died in areas where the air is clean - and see what the correlation is.

We also would want to know what percentage of those infected with CV from clean air areas had dx'ed lung issues prior to CV and compare those numbers the number CV cases that not have prior dx'ed lung issues.

Lastly we would want to know the extent of lung damage in the those that have died in clear air areas compared to Wuhan?

Blessings Luke

[Luke Holiday]

This short (6 minute) interview is very revealing and interesting about what the testing protocols were in China.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY

Interesting procedure of the Chinese, but doesn’t dig into the PCR test, which seems to be their gold standard - does the test itself withstand a thorough test?

To recap what Rappoport stated in one article what needs to be done is to TEST THE TEST:
[I]
Take a hundred people that show a variety of symptoms, test them with the gold-standard PCR Test. Have independent researchers see how big the VIRUSLOAD (is that the correct term?) is. And then see if they can deduce from this virusload who is how sick. So for example the guy with the most virus in him, like 10 million (random number), should be waaaaay more sick than the guy only having a mere 500 thousand viri (is that the plural of virus) in him?

So has a TEST FOR THE TEST ever been done and are there studies about it? Otherwise it’s a lot to do with correlation/causation, meaning just if something shows up with something at the same time (correlation) it’s not the (only) causative factor.

Would be interesting for any branch of medicine, wouldn’t it?

Also real quick: I have been doing some fact checking on the PCR test and found the following study


Ann Saudi Med. 2011 Jul-Aug; 31(4): 351–355.
doi: 10.4103/0256-4947.83212
PMCID: PMC3156509
PMID: 21808109
A validation study comparing the sensitivity and specificity of the new Dr. KSU H1N1 RT-PCR kit with real-time RT-PCR for diagnosing influenza A (H1N1)
Abdulaziz A. BinSaeed,a,b Abdulaziz A. Al-Khedhairy,c Ahmed M. A. Mandil,b Shaffi A. Shaikh,a Riaz Qureshi,a Abdulaziz S. Al-Khattaf,d Hanan A. Habib,d Awatif A. Alam,b Lubna A. Al-Ansary,a and Mohammed Al-Omrane


: RESULTS:
The outcomes of the two tests were highly correlated (kappa=0.85; P<.0001). The sensitivity and specificity of the new test were 99.11% and 83.78%, respectively. The sensitivity of the new test was affected only minimally (96%-100%) by patient characteristics and number of symptoms. On the other hand, the specificity of the new test varied depending on how soon patients were tested after onset of symptoms (100% specificity when swabs were taken on the first day of the symptoms, decreasing to 75% when swabs were taken on or after the third day). The specificity of the new test also increased with increasing body temperature.

CONCLUSION:
The new test seems to provide a cost-effective alternative to real-time RT-PCR for diagnosing H1N1 influenza. However, further testing may be needed to verify the efficacy of the test in different settings and communities.




The issue regarding the PCR test that Jon elucidates is proving that the virus found - did in fact cause the symptom complex for which the patient is presenting.

With the massive levels of air pollution in Wuhan this is a huge issue.

Luke

[Tintin]

A very quick anecdote from Wednesday evening last week - In keeping with the OP question; I'll backtrack and visit the posts above in a short while.

A post work cider or two enjoyed at the local pub/bar: a chap who reasonably regularly pops in, who I hadn't seen in a while actually, is sitting on his smartphone. He's downloaded the NHS app, apparently, then announces that he's tested positive. :facepalm:

Tested positive via an app which is sure to be asking totally ambiguous questions.

Aside from the beyond eccentric lack of any cohesive clear plan, or, any particularly helpful information from the UK government, how reliable would that test be? I doubt very much that it would be at all. A test, via an app. Strewth.

42777

[Reinhard]

Now, THIS is a very important answer to my initial question
....a MUST SEE contribution on the validity on the PSR test AND on the exosomes, e.g: COVID 19 being the REACTION (on toxins etc), not the CAUSE.....very interesting !!!

(at least) one Question remains: "Could the 'jumping' of the 'virus' just be a reaction on common/regional stress factors?"

here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr8Dy5mnYx8&feature=youtu.be

Reinhard





Agape: thank you for that clear input........helps even an non-expert like myself to understand what we are dealing with!

Reinhard




Sorry I’ve closed couple of good research pages on the topic last night due to bad weather.

These virological test are getting more refined so more reliable than any previous virological tests. However, according to latest observations of epidemiologists working “in the field” it may take up to two weeks for some individuals to develop antibodies against the virus.
Some people develop very low immune response or perhaps, fall right under measurable drop line even then they are still carriers and potential transmitters of viruses.

The coronavirus binds to cell walls, talking of soft and easy to penetrate epithelial cells in the fore front that is nasal and breathing tubes using RNA lipoprotein based enzyme the reverse-transcriptase that binds to interleukin receptors in the cell wall.
The coronavirus offers a deceitful information to the cell wall that looks like “tasty fat” for example but instead it’s an invading RNA.
The trick of good immunity system is too recognise “an alien invader” to the body and not to mistake it for “food”.

Once your body inspects and analyses the “alien agent” for sufficient amount of time it usually triggers sufficient immune response towards it and that’s a measurable response.

Remind us again that we carry thousands of viral and bacterial strands in our bodies at all times( depending where we have moved and travelled around the globe) and many people still carry part of the initial microbiome donated by their mothers at birth and other relatives who looked after them.
( unless you grew up with wolves and then your microbiome would be part of theirs to huge degree).

It’s been so taught previously that we all carry at least one copy of even the most dangerous microbes in our bodies( think anthrax) but are harmless to us in small numbers usually coinhabiting some other harmless bacterial family,
their presence in our environments is extremely diluted so mostly harmless to us.

People are being admitted to hospitals based on the acuteness of symptoms rather than these tests so the amount of “infected population” out there is logically times bigger than numbers confirmed.

[Luke Holiday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBLqbci-gqI


The one and only Jon Rappoport discussing the amazingly corrupt financially incentivized diagnositics going on in hospitals today...

Share far and wide


Be well

Luke

[onawah]

My conversation with State Senator and doctor who exposes Medicare payouts for COVID-19 patients
As you’ll see by end of this article, the specific decisions about money mentioned here affect life and death outcomes for patients.
by Jon Rappoport
April 12, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/12/state-senator-and-doctor-exposes-medicare-payouts-for-covid-19-patients/

"A state senator has suddenly come out of nowhere and made big news.

My conversation with Minnesota State Senator, Dr. Scott Jensen, took place after I read the explosive statement he made to FOX News, on April 9th. So let’s start with his earlier FOX statement [1]:

“Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [don’t] [have] impact on what we do…”

I reached out to Senator Jensen, and obtained clarification. Jensen told me his remark pertained to patients with Medicare coverage. And the 2 payouts he mentioned are standard insurance payments from Medicare which would go to the hospital.

Of course, he explained, some hospitals have a pay-share plan with their staff doctors. Therefore, a windfall for the hospital is passed along to those doctors.

Jensen told me: Take a Medicare patient who is diagnosed with simple non-COVID pneumonia. The hospital would receive a one-time Medicare lump-sum payout of $4600.

However, if that Medicare patient is diagnosed with COVID-19 pneumonia, the Medicare coverage is a one-time $13,000 payment. And if the hospital puts that COVID-19 pneumonia patient on a ventilator, the one-time payment is $39,000. NOTE: It doesn’t matter how long these patients stay in hospital—there is only going to be one lump-sum insurance payment.

So, I infer, there are several types of financial incentives for hospitals—

ONE: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19.

TWO: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19 who have light symptoms—making it easy to move them out of the hospital quickly.

THREE: Put as many COVID patients as possible on ventilators for as short a time as possible.

Under the heading of “diagnose as many patients as possible with COVID-19,” there is also the key question of what constitutes “a COVID-19 patient”—and how the use of that label can be multiplied and manipulated. Senator Jensen made a few choice comments to FOX on this subject as well.

From FOX News: “Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told ‘The Ingraham Angle’ Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are ‘ridiculous’ and could be misleading the public.”

“Host Laura Ingraham read Jensen the [CDC] guidelines, which say: ‘In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed.'”

“In response, Jensen told Ingraham the CDC’s death certificate manual tells physicians to focus on ‘precision and specificity,’ but the coronavirus death certification guidance runs completely counter to that axiom.”

“’The idea that we are going to allow people to massage and sort of game the numbers is a real issue because we are going to undermine the [public] trust,’ he said. ‘And right now as we see politicians doing things that aren’t necessarily motivated on fact and science, their trust in politicians is already wearing thin’.”

“…Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.”

“…Jensen also reacted to Dr. Anthony Fauci’s response to a question about the potential for the number of coronavirus deaths being ‘padded,’ in which the NIAID director described the prevalence of ‘conspiracy theories’ during ‘challenging’ times in public health.”

“’I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward,’ Jensen said.”

Here is where everything Scott Jensen is saying can turn very grim—

As I’ve reported [2], New York ER doctor, Cameron Kyle-Sidell [3], has made public statements about the misuse of ventilators with supposed COVID-19 patients. He’s stated that some of these patients actually have functioning lungs. Their immediate and dire life-threatening situation is straight oxygen deficit, as if they have high-altitude sickness. But pressure on the lungs, applied by the use of ventilators via standard rigid protocols, he says, can cause damage, and even death.

Imagine what would happen if another way—NOT ventilators—was found to usefully and safely deliver oxygen to these patients.

The hospitals wouldn’t get their huge $39,000 payout for each Medicare patient put on a ventilator.

What do you think a hospital would say…what decision would the hospital make…would the hospital allow a better and safer and necessary delivery system for oxygen? For every labeled “COVID-19 patient” whose desperate emergency is a straight deficit of oxygen?

Would the hospital forego all those huge Medicare coverage payouts?"

SOURCES:
[1]: Minnesota doctor blasts ‘ridiculous’ CDC coronavirus death count guidelines
[2]: COVID and a 5G connection?
[3]: Dr Cameron Kyle Sidell. E R & Critical Care Dr From NYC

[greybeard]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris~~~

Chris, please listen. There are different ways of being in denial.

It doesn't matter if the current global scenario is caused by a new virus or by a magic spell. It changes nothing at all.

One person I know very well indeed told me a few minutes ago about their friend in the Scottish Borders who's just about to die. They're waiting for the news any day, any hour.

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.

[greybeard]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris~~~

Chris, please listen. There are different ways of being in denial.

It doesn't matter if the current global scenario is caused by a new virus or by a magic spell. It changes nothing at all.

One person I know very well indeed told me a few minutes ago about their friend in the Scottish Borders who's just about to die. They're waiting for the news any day, any hour.

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.

What exactly in my post are you disagreeing with Bill?
Have you actually listened to Jon Rappoport?
What about the Icke video?
A lot of people die at this time of year.

There is no denying on my part that there is a real situation.
There is no denying that there is a real agenda.
I am not in denial of any kind --im all to aware of what is happening -- people are dying.

That agenda is working because of inflation of the figures -- leading to fear and therefore lockdown is justified.
The untold miseries of millions now out of work -- the upsurge of suicides that will follow-- people dying due to urgent operation being postponed -- this is the real world.
Do you see anything in the UK news apparat from stories about virus?
The degree of media focus shouts out loud --who owns the media?
With respect
Chris

[silvanelf]

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.

You should be a bit more specific, because otherwise some people ignore the crucial point:

There's a real and out-of-the-ordinary situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

But here we will see the first split. Some people argue that there is nothing out of the ordinary, for example look at the claim "it's similar to the common flue." Now if we try to describe the "outbreak" in more detail, we will see more disagreements. Is it a contagious outbreak or not? Even if we consider only questions that really matter, there are different opinions here on the forum.

All of this is a well-known problem: most information is based on secondary sources (especially any mainstream or alternative media). But there are many contradictory snippets of information and many gaps between them. How do you decide what is trustworthy?

[greybeard]

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.

You should be a bit more specific, because otherwise some people ignore the crucial point:

There's a real and out-of-the-ordinary situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

But here we will see the first split. Some people argue that there is nothing out of the ordinary, for example look at the claim "it's similar to the common flue." Now if we try to describe the "outbreak" in more detail, we will see more disagreements. Is it a contagious outbreak or not? Even if we consider only questions that really matter, there are different opinions here on the forum.

All of this is a well-known problem: most information is based on secondary sources (especially any mainstream or alternative media). But there are many contradictory snippets of information and many gaps between them. How do you decide what is trustworthy?
That is an intelligent post silvanelf.

I listen to people who have studies viruses for many years like Jon Rappoport.
David Icke who investigates deeply and quotes the inventor of the main test as being inappropriate for testing viruses.

I will be clear --I believe there is a virus currently causing death.
The statistics for past flu suggest that at least as many have died from flu.
The method of coming to the conclusion that the virus caused the death is flawed -- you can go into hospital with a serious heart condition die, then when the virus shows up in a postmortem test ( if one is indeed done) that goes down on the death certificate and lumped in with cumulative virus deaths.
It is admitted that many dont even know they have the virus-- many test as negative -- many recover completely a small percentage die -- not all from pneumonia, the main fear.

Overall I agree with David Icke who is not saying 5G causes the virus -- just that 5g weakens the immune system.
I agree that the big picture is this is being used to advance the aims of TPTB -- domination -- not 100% sure about a micro chip being implanted but a possibility not ruled out.
For whatever reason lockdown could cause an economic crash like never seen before.
The state will look after you --Oh Yeah!

I accept that lockdown maybe appropriate for people with certain medical histories.

However, as the recovery rate is no worse than flu I would think that lockdown has another reason than to save peoples lives, as I keep repeating the side effects of lockdown of buisnesses large and small will go on for years ( those that survive that is)
So when this is over and you want to fly somewhere for your holidays or go on a cruise ship -- guess what -- not available for whatever reason.

If someone really wants to know how serious this is health wise look at the statistics for the many causes of death in a year and find out how far up the table a Virus is.

Chris
Ps these are not that easy to find
Here is a USA one
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-profile-for-england-2018/chapter-2-trends-in-mortality

If you well down the page you will find mortality rates.

Small part shows no 1 cause
Age 35 -49 Suicide and injury
50-64 Heart
65 & Upward Heart

The top 6 are on the list -- flu and virus not mentioned.
Basically flu or virus are not major killers --cancer is though.
It would be good if some one could print up a list of the various causes of death per annum and the statistics-- numbers.
Chris

[marielle]

I am reading a very interesting book called "Virus Mania". Here is the forward:


A daily scan through the newspapers and TV news gives the impression that the entire world is constantly invaded by new and horrible virus epidemics. The latest headlines feature the humanpapillomavirus (HPV) alleged to cause cervical cancer and the avian flu virus, HSNl. The public is also continually terrorized by reports about SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Ebola, and Polio. However, this virus mayhem ignores very basic scientific facts: the existence, the pathogenicity and the deadly effects of these agents have never been proven. The medical establishment and its loyal media acolytes claim that this evidence has been produced. But these claims are highly suspect because modern medicine has pushed direct virus proof methods aside and uses dubious indirect tools to "prove" the existence of viruses such as antibody tests and the polymerase chain reaction (PCR).

The authors of Virus Mania, journalist Torsten Engelbrecht and doctor of internal medicine Claus Kohnlein, show that these alleged contagious viruses are, in fact, particles produced by the cells themselves as a consequence of certain stress factors such as drugs. These particles are then identified by antibody and PCR tests and interpreted as epidemic-causing viruses by doctors who have been inoculated for over 100 years by the theory that microbes are deadly and only modern medications and vaccines will protect us from virus pandemics.

The central aim of this book is to steer the discussion back to a real scientific debate and put medicine back on the path of an impartial analysis of the facts. It will put medical experiments, clinical trials,statistics and government policies under the microscope, revealing that the people charged with protecting our health and safety have deviated from this path. Along the way, Engelbrecht and Kohnlein will analyze all possible causes of illness such as pharmaceuticals, lifestyle drugs, pesticides, heavy metals, pollution,stress and processed (and sometimes genetically modified) foods. All of these can heavily damage the body of humans and animals and even kill them. And precisely these factors typically prevail where the victims of alleged viruses live and work. To substantiate these claims, the authors cite dozens of highly renowned scientists, among them the Nobel laureates Kary Mullis, Barbara McClintock, Walter Gilbert,Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet and microbiologist and Pulitzer Prize winner Rene Dubos. The book presents approximately 1,100 pertinent scientific references, the majority of which have been published recently.

The topic of this book is of pivotal significance. The pharmaceutical companies and top scientists rake in enormous sums of money by attacking germs and the media boosts its audience ratings and circulations with sensationalized reporting (the coverage of the New York Times and Der Spiegel are specifically analyzed). Individuals pay the highest price of all, without getting what they deserve and need most to maintain health: enlightenment about the real causes and true necessities for prevention and cure of their illnesses. "The first step is to give up the illusion that the primary purpose of modern medical research is to improve people's health most effectively and efficiently," advises John Abramson of Harvard Medical School. "The primary purpose of commercially-funded clinical research is to maximize financial return on investment, not health."

I have a paper copy but I found a PDF online here--I have no idea how long this link will be valid, though:

edit--I need to fix this link
edit try this: http://whale.to/c/Virus-Mania55tt66.pdf

[silvanelf]

Now, THIS is a very important answer to my initial question
....a MUST SEE contribution on the validity on the PSR test AND on the exosomes, e.g: COVID 19 being the REACTION (on toxins etc), not the CAUSE.....very interesting !!!

(at least) one Question remains: "Could the 'jumping' of the 'virus' just be a reaction on common/regional stress factors?"

here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr8Dy5mnYx8&feature=youtu.be

Reinhard

Take a look at the channel ... the author "Secrets of Saturn" aka Jason Lindgren is working closely together with the well-known Flat Earther "Crrow777" ... just saying.


Jason Lindgren is a musician, talk show host, and film maker. Beginning with the Podcast “Secrets of Saturn”, Jason began working with Crrow777 in 2016. Since then, Jason and Crow have done hundreds of hours of radio together, and have gone on to produce the documentary film “Shoot the Moon”, the story of Crrow777’s telescope work.

https://flatearthconference.com/speakers/jason-lindgren/


edit -- see my remark at post #38:


My bad ... my remark about 'Secrets of Saturn' is irrelevant.

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=Reinhard;1350236]Now, THIS is a very important answer to my initial question
....a MUST SEE contribution on the validity on the PSR test AND on the exosomes, e.g: COVID 19 being the REACTION (on toxins etc), not the CAUSE.....very interesting !!!

(at least) one Question remains: "Could the 'jumping' of the 'virus' just be a reaction on common/regional stress factors?"

here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr8Dy5mnYx8&feature=youtu.be

Reinhard




[QUOTE=Reinhard;1340571]Agape: thank you for that clear input........helps even an non-expert like myself to understand what we are dealing with!

Reinhard

Hello Reinhard,

I would like to chime in here as I have some experience being forced to contemplate and come to some sort of resolution regarding the terrain vs Germ theory of disease – which is essentially the argument presented here– only repackaged in the form of exosome/Cov I9.

I have looked extensively at the science of both and am convinced that this debate is not an either/or situation: rather it is a both/and.

In others words, the harbingers of physical dis-ease, known as virus, bacteria and fungi can be produced inside the body and can enter from outside the body in the form of a contagion.

In the form of contagion from outside the body causing dz: tools like Koch’s postulates have proven this to be true with many pathogens. In the case of disease harbingers created inside the body, we have the work of Beauchamp, Enderlein, Rife, science of Dark field Microscopy and more recently Dr. Kaufman, Dr Cuwan who have brought to light the "exosome" finding through electron microcroscopy.

All have proven that the entities labeled as pathogen can be created inside the body when the terrain or internal millieu dictates the need. The reason the body creates the organisms’s is to remove dross, waste, debris or other pathogen. Common examples of this seen routinely:

Step throat, Streptococci bacteria are in the throat all the time, it is merely a matter of degree which causes symptoms. The same with C. difficile overgrowth in the large intestine leading to severe/chronic diarrhea.

Therefore: The main key which determines illness on the physical level is the inner terrain or milieu. If you have an excess of inner toxicity, resonant mental/emotional patterning, and coordinate level of constitutional energy, you have the breeding grounds to either succumb to outside contagion or develop the entities known as Virus, bacteria or fungi from inside the body in order to remove dross, and the third possibility is you could be subject to both simultaneously.

The profession of Naturopathy has great results treating patients, not based on diagnostic labels, rather we focus predominately on the mind, body and spiritual terrain to treat a presenting symptom complex. Once the inner milieu has been “cleansed” the body does a tremendous job of healing itself.

Also by cleaning up the inner milieu, the physical causes of the disease are removed (similar to removing weeds from a garden) and the chances of getting sick again are greatly reduced. ( Great example of this is the Gerson therapy and cancer)

If I could sum up all disease in one word it would be: Mind, Body Spirit system toxicity.

In conclusion: How does all this all relate to the testing for CV 19.

1. One possibility is that the CV 19 strain has been isolated outside of the body and happens to look just like the released cellular exosome under electron microscope.

2. CV 19 can enter the body from the outside and If one has the resonant MBSS terrain - illness results.

3. When MBSS’s’ are subjected to a new 5 G electromagnetic frequency - the cellular response is a detox mechanism done in attempt to adjust – resulting in the release of exosomes.

4. How do we reconcile:

b. Science has to develop a valid and reliable test for Covid 19 - otherwise nothing can ever be done to move forward on this issue.

c. If healthy - resist the current test.

5. What is the best thing we can people do to protect ourselves, our families and are loved ones:

a.Improve your MBSS’s to the utmost degree that we are capable of.


Blessing Luke

[Luke Holiday]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris~~~

Chris, please listen. There are different ways of being in denial.

It doesn't matter if the current global scenario is caused by a new virus or by a magic spell. It changes nothing at all.

One person I know very well indeed told me a few minutes ago about their friend in the Scottish Borders who's just about to die. They're waiting for the news any day, any hour.

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.

Hello Bill

I just wanted to very humbly and respectfully chime in here. It appears that what you saying is:

We are facing a real, serious crises and squabbling over details (causes ) is foolish and we should focus on solutions.

The problem I, and perhaps many others, are having is that we feel powerless in terms of solutions.
Our squabbling over details is our way of expressing our frustration through exposing the truth of how we are being
manipulated by a crisis “they created” in order to live in a world we do not wish to participate in.

We are doing this in hope that we can educate the masses in time – to prevent all of us from having to acquiesce to
living in a terrible world of “their” choosing.

As I see it: Using Platforms like Project Avalon, that provide quality, evidence based, non-ridiculed free thinking are
the only real solution we have at this time to be of service through the assimilation, collection and distribution of information (details).

Thank you for allowing me to participate 😊

I hope we are all able to find something fun to do today…and I hope that soon we can all live in the world we deserve😊

Blessings

Luke

[silvanelf]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

Your statement is a nice example of a strawman attack. As it seems the experts in epidemiology seem to know very well that these numbers are not accurate. Here is an excerpt from an interesting article about this topic:


First, there is confusion about what people mean by “death rate”. This confusion can make countries’ numbers look vastly different, even if their populations are dying at the same rate.

There are, in fact, two kinds of fatality rate. The first is the proportion of people who die who have tested positive for the disease. This is called the “case fatality rate”. The second kind is the proportion of people who die after having the infection overall; as many of these will never be picked up, this figure has to be an estimate. This is the “infection fatality rate”.

In other words, the case fatality rate describes how many people doctors can be sure are killed by the infection, versus how many people the virus kills overall, says Carl Heneghan, an epidemiologist and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford; he is also a GP in recovery from a suspected Covid-19 infection.

more at link: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ

[Deneon]

I think the whole coronavirus thing is becoming exactly as polarising (and toxic) as the the whole polarising political environment in the US has been the past few years. We really should be focusing on the things we all agree on, instead of the things we disagree on.

Number one: I’m sure we all agree that we are not living in an ordinary situation, right? Global lockdowns are not a mundane thing that happen every year. Even if you think the virus is fake, the lockdowns are real. Everyone agrees, right? Or are there still people who think the lockdowns are fake as well? I hope not..

Number two: I think all of us do also agree that there is someone, somewhere, somehow is orchestrating at least some of this. Even if this was a natural occurrence, (which I don’t think it is), someone is using it to push their agendas. People in all levels in life are using this to their benefit. From the global elite to the average Joe trying to make an extra buck by hoarding and selling essential supplies.

This whole arguing about details is exactly what does not help the cause. Look at the whole field of ufology in the past decades. Ask anyone if the fighting and constantly disagreeing about details of any one case really helped push disclosure forward. I really don’t believe anyone would say yes to that question. What does it really matter if it’s only a virus, or a virus with a little bit of 5G mixed in, or only 5G with no virus, or maybe the regular flu with fake test kits, or fake nurses, fake deaths, wrong death certificate causes, fake genomes, fake burials. It really doesn’t matter what the exact cause is in the grand scheme of things. Unless you believe there is NO lockdown, or there is NO agenda, I think we are all basically in agreement about the big picture.

The point is I’m trying to make is: we are in a situation we’ve never been in before, and we are never going to get the truth from any official agency or government. And even if ‘they’ release ‘a’ truth, we will not believe it and continue this arguing about whether or not what they disclosed is real. It’s a never ending cycle. So arguing about all of the above details is in my view absolutely pointless. You will never be right. Nobody ever will. Not David Icke, not Chris Martensen, not Alex Jones, not Bill Ryan, not anyone else on this forum knows what is going on. Everyone is speculating based on a few sources. The whole phrase ‘do your own research’ has become laughable, because apparently ‘do your own research’ now means ‘watch YouTube videos and read articles of other people having done research and claim as if you now have researched the subject matter yourself and have now become THE expert’.

Anyone who claims to know everything about this (or any other subject matter for that matter), those are the people to be wary of (David Wilcock anyone?). A little humility can go a long way. Personally I’m always more eager to believe people who do not present their speculations as fact and are a little more careful when sharing their views.

So I would suggest to everyone (but not anyone specifically): before going all defensive or going on the attack if someone doesn’t agree with your views, please try and remember: be humble, we are all trying to figure this out, and nobody (even you) knows for a fact all the details about this covid-19 crisis.

[DSKlausler]

As with many here, I have an opinion on this madness. As I read through many sources, and even speak with people, that opinion evolves. I would say that it is rare that we are allowed, or given, a view of the actual truth - ever. We might get pieces here and there, but it remains a big job to assemble the pieces - and requires serious effort and an open mind, which may necessitate changing ones view. Change is hard for many... try it out: "I was wrong."

Here's where I am:

Control the people (fear) - Save me government!
Impoverish the people (taxation/employment/economy) Help me government!
Poison the people ("food"/"medicine"/... VACCINATION) Cure me government! PLEASE!
Tag the people (possibly)

There are many subdivisions to this of course.

The government is, and has been, your enemy for a very long time. However, at this point, I'm not sure that most people could live without it.

[Reinhard]

Thanks, silvanelf, for this additional information!
Since the very same video is being published on several forums, I didn't pay enough attention on the 'Secrets of Saturn'. Usually I do some research on the background --- not this time because the content/presenter is identical. My bad. The content is key. I haven't wasted any research-time on the flat earthers --- and don't intent to do that in the future. Maybe the presentation with sphere them up a little ;)

Reinhard

[T Smith]

Hello Bill

I just wanted to very humbly and respectfully chime in here. It appears that what you saying is:

We are facing a real, serious crises and squabbling over details (causes ) is foolish and we should focus on solutions.

The problem I, and perhaps many others, are having is that we feel powerless in terms of solutions.
Our squabbling over details is our way of expressing our frustration through exposing the truth of how we are being
manipulated by a crisis “they created” in order to live in a world we do not wish to participate in.

We are doing this in hope that we can educate the masses in time – to prevent all of us from having to acquiesce to
living in a terrible world of “their” choosing.

As I see it: Using Platforms like Project Avalon, that provide quality, evidence based, non-ridiculed free thinking are
the only real solution we have at this time to be of service through the assimilation, collection and distribution of information (details).

Thank you for allowing me to participate 😊

I hope we are able to find something fun to do today…and I hope that soon we can all live in the world we deserve😊

Blessings

Luke

This.....!

Thank you.

[silvanelf]

Thanks, silvanelf, for this additional information!
Since the very same video is being published on several forums, I didn't pay enough attention on the 'Secrets of Saturn'. Usually I do some research on the background --- not this time because the content/presenter is identical.

Sorry, I made a mistake by assuming that 'Secrets of Saturn' is the original author. I've found a number of re-uploads of that video and some of them refer to 'Secrets of Saturn' as the original source. But these copyright entries may be misleading.

My bad ... my remark about 'Secrets of Saturn' is irrelevant.

At the beginning of the video you can see the text below -- I'm sure that Andrew Kaufman is the original author and 'Secrets of Saturn' re-published the video.



Andrew Kaufman, M.D.
Licensed and Board Certified in Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry
Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, SUNY Upstate Medical University
Former Medical Instructor of Hematology and Oncology, Medical University of South Carolina
Psychiatry Residency, Duke University
Doctor of Medicine, Medical University of South Carolina
Bachelors of Science in Biology, MIT


source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr8Dy5mnYx8 (just at the start of the video)

youtube channel: Andrew Kaufman (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV7v2cvSnrJ9Qyz36cW1Ftw/videos)

[Elainie]

This is the test I got

https://www.vibrant-america.com/covid-19/

[waves]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris~~~

Chris, please listen. There are different ways of being in denial.

It doesn't matter if the current global scenario is caused by a new virus or by a magic spell. It changes nothing at all.

One person I know very well indeed told me a few minutes ago about their friend in the Scottish Borders who's just about to die. They're waiting for the news any day, any hour.

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.


Yes it does matter if you're helping this agenda by believing and repeating the lies it's using. Why wouldn't it matter? I don't see why you seem to be in denial of that.

I don't see anything Chris is in denial about in his summary that you quoted, nor do I see how your response clarifies anything.

YES 'there is a real situation and agenda out there' but what the hell else are we trying to do here but compare evidence and sort the lies from the truth to be able to make correct decisions for ourselves, our families and our world.

Chris is obviously not in denial there's a 'real situation'.
Chris is obviously not in denial there's a 'real agenda'.

So what is he in denial about to you for just continuing to try to to intelligently sort the truth from lies like 1000's of us ... who even feel it's the most important thing to do for our lives right now!!!? I really, really don't see where any denial is for doing this, does anyone else?

In other words, what 'angels on a pin' do you feel are wrong to talk about?


https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

[Luke Holiday]

Anyone who thinks the number of deaths being attributed to the virus are accurate are in denial.
There is no single cause for these deaths, all kinds of causes are being linked under the umbrella of Covid-19
A single cause for all these -- give me a break.

I think that information put out by Jon Rappoport, posted by quite a few, is self explanatory and true.
Thanks to onawah, Luke and others for painstakingly pointing this out.
I would also point to the David Icke video that was banned but available--saved on Avalon.
Not a follower of David but he is making sense and researches properly.

Chris~~~

Chris, please listen. There are different ways of being in denial.

It doesn't matter if the current global scenario is caused by a new virus or by a magic spell. It changes nothing at all.

One person I know very well indeed told me a few minutes ago about their friend in the Scottish Borders who's just about to die. They're waiting for the news any day, any hour.

This is real. You're arguing about angels on a pin.

There are two things to pay attention to:

There's a real situation out there.
There's a real agenda behind it.

Very little else matters. A lot of people are posting on the forum about things that really just aren't important at all in the context of the far, far bigger picture.


Yes it does matter if you're helping this agenda by believing and repeating the lies it's using. Why wouldn't it matter? I don't see why you seem to be in denial of that.

I don't see anything Chris is in denial about in his summary that you quoted, nor do I see how your response clarifies anything.

YES 'there is a real situation and agenda out there' but what the hell else are we trying to do here but compare evidence and sort the lies from the truth to be able to make correct decisions for ourselves, our families and our world.

Chris is obviously not in denial there's a 'real situation'.
Chris is obviously not in denial there's a 'real agenda'.

So what is he in denial about to you for just continuing to try to to intelligently sort the truth from lies like 1000's of us ... who even feel it's the most important thing to do for our lives right now!!!? I really, really don't see where any denial is for doing this, does anyone else?

In other words, what 'angels on a pin' do you feel are wrong to talk about?


https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

…Brilliant....

[Luke Holiday]

Hello,

I was motivated to fact check after hearing, reading and watching claims of alleged CV 19 death numbers exaggerations - in terms of terms cause of death dx on death certificates

So I have compiled 3 tables listing the Worldside Mortality rates for 2017, 2018 and 2020 up to 4/15/20. If the reports of bodies overflowing from hospital worldwide are correct, then we should see a spike in the mortality rates.

If the CV 19 numbers of deaths are being manipulated then the mortality rates should be relatively unchanged over last few years


I will hold my judgement for a later time.


Comments, discussion are encouraged

And what do you think social distancing so far?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wn1qs_bBk

[Luke Holiday]

This is the test I got

https://www.vibrant-america.com/covid-19/

Hello Elaine,

Thank you for sharing the CV 19 test that is now being recommended by the CDC to the medical profession.

I can say for a fact that there is currently a lot of discussion/debate on Naturopathic medical doctor chat rooms/groups as to the validity/implications of the test, some of which is expressed in the:


Following is the Regulatory statement about the test from the link you provided

The test has been validated but FDA’s independent review of this validation is pending. Negative results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection, particularly in those who have been in contact with the virus. Follow-up testing with a molecular diagnostic should be considered to rule out infection in these individuals. Results from antibody testing should not be used as the sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection or to inform infection status. Positive results may be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E. Not for the screening of donated blood.

The problems I have with this test are the proposed: work restrictions, freedom limitations and vaccine implications being recommended for people who test positive.

I am confident in saying that the AB test is only valid for determining exposure - nothing else.


(Just to be clear, I am not saying that I disagree in anyway with your choice to be tested :)


Blessings Luke

[Sue (Ayt)]

This is the test I got

https://www.vibrant-america.com/covid-19/

I may have missed it, but did you get your results?
Thanks

[Elainie]

This is the test I got

https://www.vibrant-america.com/covid-19/

Hello Elaine,

Thank you for sharing the CV 19 test that is now being recommended by the CDC to the medical profession.

I can say for a fact that there is currently a lot of discussion/debate on Naturopathic medical doctor chat rooms/groups as to the validity/implications of the test, some of which is expressed in the:


Following is the Regulatory statement about the test from the link you provided

The test has been validated but FDA’s independent review of this validation is pending. Negative results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection, particularly in those who have been in contact with the virus. Follow-up testing with a molecular diagnostic should be considered to rule out infection in these individuals. Results from antibody testing should not be used as the sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection or to inform infection status. Positive results may be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E. Not for the screening of donated blood.

The problems I have with this test are the proposed: work restrictions, freedom limitations and vaccine implications being recommended for people who test positive.

I am confident in saying that the AB test is only valid for determining exposure - nothing else.


(Just to be clear, I am not saying that I disagree in anyway with your choice to be tested :)


Blessings Luke


My doctor is against vaccinations, he did not vaccinate his own children, he is a different type of doctor. I don't have our results yet, it is only for our personal knowledge.

[greybeard]

There was an article today, which I cant find now --where an official admitted that the tests were flawed and would have to be done again.
Chris

[Hughe]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-10-faulty-coronavirus-tests-in-tanzania-false-positives.html

Faulty coronavirus tests: Goat, quail and papaya in Tanzania test positive for COVID-19, raising concerns about false positives

Sunday, May 10, 2020 by: Arsenio Toledo
Tags: Africa, Africa CDC, badhealth, badmedicine, badscience, China, coronavirus, coronavirus test, covid-19, false positives, Flu, government, infections, Jack Ma, junk science, outbreak, pandemic, science clowns, superbugs, Tanzania, virus, WHO, World Health Organization

(Natural News) Coronavirus test kits in Tanzania have raised suspicions about their accuracy. President John Magufuli expressed during an event that he found them so unreliable due to the fact that certain animals and even a fruit have tested positive for COVID-19.

He further stated that the test kits were imported from overseas, but refused to specify where.

In order to evaluate the quality of the COVID-19 test kits, security forces in Tanzania obtained non-human samples from a goat, a papaya, a quail and even a sheep. The samples were assigned human names and then shipped off to a laboratory to be tested. Lab technicians who worked on the non-human samples weren’t informed about their true origins.

The test results showed that the goat, quail and papaya were found positive for COVID-19, which may have serious implications. According to Magufuli, this means some people could have received positive coronavirus test results despite not actually being infected.

This puts into question the country’s actual number of coronavirus cases. As of press time, the country has 509 reported cases of COVID-19, including 21 deaths. However, the actual number of cases could be higher because Tanzania goes days without providing updates.
A “dirty game” is going on in Tanzania’s coronavirus testing lab

Magufuli, who initially downplayed the threat of the coronavirus, suspended the head of testing at Tanzania’s national health laboratory on May 4, one day after he revealed that the lab had tested the non-human samples, noting that there was a “dirty game” going on at the laboratory.

Hassan Abbas, chief government spokesman of Tanzania, said that the country has formed a team to conduct further investigations on the laboratory that did the tests. They will release the results of their investigations as soon as they are complete. (Related: African coronavirus cases SPIKE by 43 percent – WHO warns that continent could be the “next epicenter” of the pandemic.)

“The equipment or people may be compromised and sometimes it can be sabotage,” said Magufuli in a speech broadcast through the country’s state-run news outlet.

Magufuli further cast doubt on the foreign aid Tanzania was receiving, saying that it may not always be “good for this nation” and that they shouldn’t accept all of it.
Coronavirus test kits donated by Chinese billionaire Jack Ma

Africa’s testing capacity has expanded sharply since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, with the help of test kits procured from the WHO, the Jack Ma Foundation and other philanthropic organizations.

Jack Ma, Chinese billionaire and founder of the Alibaba Group, has donated thousands of test kits and protective gear to African nations. John Nkengasong, director of the Africa Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Africa CDC), said that the Jack Ma Foundation had provided them with a lot of coronavirus test kits.

“We are very instrumental in training, providing training to nearly all countries and providing them with test kits,” said Nkengasong. “We’ve also in the last couple of weeks and months distributed tests from the Jack Ma Foundation that have been validated and proven to be very, very reliable.”

Nkengasong told journalists that the Africa CDC affirmed that the Tanzanian coronavirus test kits are “working very well.” The World Health Organization (WHO) has also expressed their confidence in the reliability of the test kits.

When questioned regarding the veracity of the coronavirus tests, Matshidiso Moeti, head of WHO Africa, said that the tests procured through their organization and through the donations made by the Jack Ma Foundation were not contaminated with coronavirus.
Magufuli turns to alternative sources of aid for coronavirus

Losing any trust he had in the WHO and the Africa CDC, Magufuli has stated that he was sending a plane to Madagascar to collect an herbal mix that the country was touting as a cure for COVID-19. The herbal mix has not gone through internationally recognized scientific testing.

President Andry Rajoelina of Madagascar has claimed that the herbal cure, known in the country as Covid-Organics, shows results within a week and that it has already cured two people so far.

Magufuli, in a speech, said that he was communicating with Madagascar regarding this COVID-19 cure. “They have got a medicine,” he said. “The medicine will be brought in the country so that Tanzanians, too, can benefit.”

Pandemic.news has the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic in Africa and the rest of the world.

Sources include:

SHTFPlan.com (https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/positive-for-coronavirus-goats-and-papayas_05082020)

Independent.co.uk (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-tanzania-test-kits-suspicion-goat-pawpaw-positive-a9501291.html)

GlobalNews.ca (https://globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/)

WHO.int [PDF] (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200508covid-19-sitrep-109.pdf?sfvrsn=68f2c632_6)

VOANews.com (https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/president-queries-tanzania-coronavirus-kits-after-goat-test)

Reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-tests/africa-disease-control-body-rejects-tanzania-assertion-that-coronavirus-tests-are-faulty-idUSKBN22J1FO)

[TomKat]

According to this article, the covid test tests for immunoglobulins M and G:

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/what-is-an-antibody-test

And according to this article (and many others), immunoglobulins M and G are used by the body to fight multiple diseases:

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/immunoglobulin-test#1

So what does a positive test for covid mean? Nothing? Seems so.

[onawah]

60 MINUTES-Faulty COVID-19 antibody tests now complicating efforts to know reach of virus
70,487 views•Jun 28, 2020
585K subscribers

(Most people won't believe whistleblower stories, but when 60 MINUTES reports on it, they will pay attention.)

"A 60 Minutes investigation has found that federal officials knew many COVID-19 antibody testing kits had flaws, but allowed them to enter the U.S. market. Sharyn Alfonsi reports.

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Faulty COVID-19 Antibody Tests Now Complicating Efforts to Know Reach of Virus
Published July 6, 2020
Vaccine Reaction
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/07/faulty-covid-19-antibody-tests-now-complicating-efforts-to-know-reach-of-virus/

"Back in March, the Food and Drug Administration took the unprecedented step of allowing COVID antibody tests to flood the market without review. The tests were billed as a critical tool to access where the virus had spread and who might have immunity. But in the government’s rush to get more people tested quickly, it may have missed the mark. Over the course of a three-month investigation, 60 Minutes has learned that federal officials knew that many of the antibody tests were seriously flawed but continued to allow them to be sold anyway."

[greybeard]

When Is Humanity Going To Stand Up? - David Icke


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ElYDuooOA

This might not suit the thread.
Mods feel free to put it elsewhere
Chris

[greybeard]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pub-forced-to-close-after-customer-tests-positive-coronavirus-174517671.htm
lhree pubs forced to close just days after reopening after customers test positive for coronavirus

Yahoo News UK
The Lighthouse Inn in Burnham-On-Sea has had to close after one of its customers tested positive for coronavirus. (Google Maps)
The Lighthouse Inn in Burnham-On-Sea has had to close after one of its customers tested positive for coronavirus. (Google Maps)

At least three pubs have closed their doors just days after reopening because customers tested positive for coronavirus.

Bars in England welcomed back drinkers at the weekend for the first time since the hospitality sector went into lockdown in March, reopening as part of so-called “Super Saturday”.

But three establishments have alerted their patrons to say they have to close again after reporting cases of COVID-19.

The Lighthouse Kitchen and Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, Somerset, said a customer had tested positive and it was making its way through a list of people who were in the bar on Saturday.

In a statement posted on Facebook, it added: "All our staff are going to be tested and we will reopen when the time is safe to do so."

Since when are the tests reliable?
This is set up to have people in fear of going to pubs.
Chris

[norman]

. . . . . .Since when are the tests reliable?
This is set up to have people in fear of going to pubs.
Chris


It's set up to get everyone on the 'contact tracing' database, which is stage one of making the 'Gates' vaccine compulsory or else you get excluded from almost every aspect of living.

It's a bit like how we are currently, through our birth certificates, chattle that's owned by the central bankers instead of free humans. Well, we ARE free humans, but the ownership system is still there. Being a data point on the 'contact tracing' database could turn out to be the replacement system if the birth certificate 'ownership' system collapses with a collapse of the current economic system.

[Gwin Ru]

Conversation

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1790281240/henry-makow_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/HenryMakow) Henry Makow (https://twitter.com/HenryMakow) @HenryMakow

(https://twitter.com/HenryMakow)#scamdemic (https://twitter.com/hashtag/scamdemic?src=hashtag_click)

This morning, my Uncle went to his knee doctor (in a large well-known city) for a post-op check-up, and his Doctor told him a story...

"Four colleagues and I did an experiment; we sent in 7 unused tests with fake patient names, and all 7 RETURNED POSITIVE."'

2:21 AM · Jul 7, 2020·

[Gwin Ru]

From Jim Stone:


The Coronavirus test is not credible and likely to be for clandestine brain access. (http://82.221.129.208/.vi0.html)

They are claiming the virus wrecks the nervous systems of a large percentage of people, leaving lasting neurological problems and brain damage. But I'd like to ask - is it really a virus doing that, or are the tests doing that?

Folks, the coronavirus tests themselves, in many cases, (there are probably different types) but in many cases they are obviously what is causing the brain damage. Easily explained:

Many of the tests, (all of them that use the incredibly long "swab") take their samples from the cribriform plate, which is a millimeter thick bone at the top of the nasal cavity that is perforated with many holes that go directly into the brain cavity. These holes are what your olefactory nerves pass through, and there are many (the bone is similar to a coarse screen)


http://82.221.129.208/cribriform.jpg

If you wanted to sabotage someone by planting a clandestine brain virus, nano tech, or plant a chip in someone, this would be the place to do it because perhaps a doctor could get a chip out but individuals certainly never could without perforating that very thin bone (that is not really even bone, it is about half nerves) and anyone attempting to do an extraction from there would likely end up killing themselves.

Any chemicals, viruses, nanotech or whatever else they wanted to put there will have immediate access to the brain and you can forget about getting that out, once it's in, it is in. It would be literally right on the brain when placed, and go right in. People complain about the tests being excruciatingly painful with the pain lasting for days. For what reason would the tests need to touch the most brain accessible part of the human body? Are the ones that do really tests at all? DNA tests are done with a simple mouth swab, and it's ridiculous to think any virus test - when you supposedly can spread it by coughing, - would not be the same. Something is screwy with these tests. They have GOT TO be fake, (or at least the ones that literally swab the brain are) No wonder why they hurt for days and GEE, getting your olefactory nerves nailed by whatever is on that swab is probably what is causing people to permanently lose their sense of smell.

COMMON SENSE. I bet you did not know how nasty that test really is. Avoid the test at all costs.

My first post ever on this topic mocked the entire concept of a coronavirus being massively lethal. The obviously unnecessarily invasive "tests" strongly indicate this is TOTALLY fake and they are not tests at all. That's why we end up getting Kiwi fruit testing positive and people who signed up and left before testing ending up positive, THERE IS NO CORONAVIRUS TEST IF THAT IS HAPPENING, no, they are doing something entirely other than testing and the close proximity to the brain really opens up a reason for questioning what those tests really are. ____________________________

[DaveToo]

It's just an anecdotal story I read recently on another site.
But I think it will be of interest to others here...


"My business partner told me about a couple of his friends that were not sick but wanted to be tested. They are a husband and wife in their fifties. Pinellas County has been offering free testing so they stopped at one of the locations last Friday afternoon. It was very busy. They had to register upon arrival but after a long wait they simply gave up and left without ever being tested.
Guess who got a call a few hours later notifying them that they were positive for covi$ 19.
Yep. Never even seen by the person who was doing the testing but still recorded as a positive.
I don’t know the couple. But I know Andrew. I have worked with him for over 15 years and he has never lied to me about anything as far as I know. He is a happy statist in spite of my best efforts for years to get him to recognize how corrupt his "rulers" are.

He doesn’t buy the virus bull crap anymore. Thanks government!"

[Gwin Ru]

Ninety out of 144 Covid-19 tests were wrong (https://www.iceagenow.info/ninety-out-of-144-covid-19-tests-were-wrong/)

by Robert (https://www.iceagenow.info/author/xilef/)
July 22, 2020 (https://www.iceagenow.info/ninety-out-of-144-covid-19-tests-were-wrong/)
“Ninety out of 144. That is a failure rate of of 68.75%. We cannot trust ANY of the data.”
– Benjamin Napier
_______________

Ninety people who received positive COVID-19 results did not have the virus, according to the Connecticut state Department of Public Health.

The department said the state public health laboratory uncovered a flaw in one of the testing systems it uses to test for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and 90 of 144 people tested between June 15 and July 17 received a false positive COVID test report. Many are nursing home residents.

According to the state Department of Health, the errant testing results were “from a widely-used laboratory testing platform that the state laboratory started using on June 15.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/state-lab-finds-90-positive-covid-19-test-results-were-false/ar-BB16Yche?ocid=mmx&fbclid=IwAR0YgLMiQBb2wuARnrKDVbt-qn99nFHt7KsYkQDy8owBCdpyWVGstMm7xVE

Thanks to Benjamin Napier for this link

[Reinhard]

Well.....the question is answered:

Mercola:

COVID-19 Testing Scandal Deepens
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola

December 18, 2020



pcr test reliability
Story at-a-glance

Experts are now coming forward in growing numbers denouncing mass PCR testing as foolhardy and nonsensical if not outright criminal
PCR tests cannot distinguish between “live” viruses and inactive (noninfectious) viral particles and therefore cannot be used as a diagnostic tool. They also cannot confirm that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms as the test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens
The tests have exceptionally high false result rates. The higher the cycle threshold (CT) — i.e., the number of amplification cycles used to detect RNA particles — the greater the chance of a false positive. Beyond 34 cycles, your chance of a positive PCR test being a true positive shrinks to zero
Florida recently became the first state to require all labs in the state to report the CT used for their PCR tests
The SARS-CoV-2 PCR test was developed based on a genetic sequence published by Chinese scientists, not the viral isolate. Missing genetic code was simply made up

Positive reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests have been used as the justification for keeping large portions of the world locked down for the past nine months. Not reliable hospitalization or death rates; just positive PCR test numbers — a large portion of which are from people who have no symptoms of actual illness — are the triggers behind the shutdowns.

Experts are now coming forward in growing numbers denouncing mass PCR testing as foolhardy and nonsensical if not outright criminal. Why? Because we’re now finding that PCR tests rarely tell us anything truly useful, at least not when they’re used as they have been so far.
Why PCR Tests Are the Wrong Tool to Assess Pandemic Threat

We now know that PCR tests:

1. Cannot distinguish between “live” viruses and inactive (noninfectious) viral particles and therefore cannot be used as a diagnostic tool — For this reason, it is grossly misleading to refer to a positive test as a “COVID-19 case.”

As explained by Dr. Lee Merritt in her August 2020 Doctors for Disaster Preparedness1 lecture, featured in “How Medical Technocracy Made the Plandemic Possible,” media and public health officials appear to have purposefully conflated “cases” or positive tests with the actual illness.

Medically speaking, a “case” refers to a sick person. It never ever referred to someone who had no symptoms of illness. Now all of a sudden, this well-established medical term, “case,” has been arbitrarily redefined to mean someone who tested positive for the presence of noninfectious viral RNA. As noted by Merritt, “That is not epidemiology. That’s fraud.”

2. Cannot confirm that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms as the test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

3. Have not been established for monitoring the treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.

4. Have exceptionally high false result rates — The higher the cycle threshold (CT) — i.e., the number of amplification cycles used to detect RNA particles — the greater the chance of a false positive.

While any CT over 35 is deemed scientifically unjustifiable,2,3,4 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend running PCR tests at a CT of 40.5

Drosten tests and tests recommended by the World Health Organization are set to a CT of 45. These excessively high CTs guarantee the appearance of widespread (pandemic) infection when infection rates are in fact low.
The CT Is the Key to the Pandemic

Many if not most laboratories amplify the RNA collected far too many times, which results in healthy people testing “positive” for SARS-CoV-2 infection and being ordered to take off work and self-isolate for two weeks.

To optimize accuracy and avoid imposing unnecessary hardship on healthy people, PCR tests must be run at far fewer cycles than the 40 to 45 CTs currently recommended.

Beyond 34 cycles, your chance of a positive PCR test being a true positive shrinks to zero.

An April 2020 study6 in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases showed that to get 100% confirmed real positives, the PCR test must be run at 17 cycles. Above 17 cycles, accuracy drops dramatically.

By the time you get to 33 cycles, the accuracy rate is a mere 20%, meaning 80% are false positives. Beyond 34 cycles, your chance of a positive PCR test being a true positive shrinks to zero, as illustrated in the following graph from that study.7

By running PCR tests at 40 to 45 amplification cycles, you end up with the false appearance of an outbreak, and this grossly flawed testing scheme is what government leaders are basing their mask mandates and lockdown orders on.
percentage of positive viral culture

Percentage of positive viral culture of SARS-CoV-2 PCR-positive nasopharyngeal samples from Covid-19 patients, according to Ct value (plain line). The dashed curve indicates the polynomial regression curve.
Scientific Review Confirms PCR Flaws

More recently, a December 3, 2020, systematic review8 published in the journal of Clinical Infectious Diseases assessed the findings of 29 different studies — all of which were published in 2020 — comparing evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection with the CTs used in testing. They also looked at the timing of the test, and how symptom severity relates to PCR test results. As reported by the authors:

“The data suggest a relationship between the time from onset of symptom to the timing of the specimen test, cycle threshold (CT) and symptom severity. Twelve studies reported that CT values were significantly lower and log copies higher in specimens producing live virus culture.

Two studies reported the odds of live virus culture reduced by approximately 33% for every one unit increase in CT. Six of eight studies reported detectable RNA for longer than 14 days but infectious potential declined after day 8 even among cases with ongoing high viral loads …”

In other words, if you have symptoms of COVID-19, by Day 8 from the onset of symptoms, the chances of you spreading it to others starts to decline, and in the days following, you are unlikely to be infectious even if you still test positive. This is particularly true if the PCR test is using a higher than ideal CT. As noted by the authors:9

“Complete live viruses are necessary for transmission, not the fragments identified by PCR. Prospective routine testing of reference and culture specimens and their relationship to symptoms, signs and patient co-factors should be used to define the reliability of PCR for assessing infectious potential. Those with high cycle threshold are unlikely to have infectious potential.”

Live Virus Unlikely in Tests Using CT Above 24

According to The New York Times,10 researchers have been “unable to grow the coronavirus out of samples from volunteers whose PCR tests had CT values above 27,” and if the virus cannot replicate, you will not get ill and are not infectious, so you cannot spread it to others.

The Clinical Infectious Diseases review11 confirms this. Under the heading “The Relationship Between RT-PCR Results and Viral Culture of SARS-CoV-2,”12 they point out that “significantly lower” CTs were used in studies that correctly identified infectious patients.

Five of the studies included were unable to identify any live viruses in cases where a positive PCR test had used a CT above 24. What’s more, in order to produce live virus culture, a patient whose PCR test used a CT at or above 35 had to be symptomatic.

So, to clarify, if you have symptoms of COVID-19 and test positive using a PCR test that was run at 35 amplification cycles or higher, then you are likely to be infected and infectious.

However, if you do not have symptoms, yet test positive using a PCR test run at 35 CTs or higher, then it is likely a false positive and you pose no risk to others as you’re unlikely to carry any live virus. In fact, provided you’re asymptomatic, you’re unlikely to be infectious even if you test positive with a test run at 24 CTs or higher.
Timing of PCR Test Also Matters

The Clinical Infectious Diseases review also confirmed that the timing of the test matters. According to the authors:13

“… there appears to be a time window during which RNA detection is at its highest with low cycle threshold and higher possibility of culturing a live virus, with viral load and probability of growing live virus of SARS-CoV2 …

We propose that further work should be done on this with the aim of constructing an algorithm for integrating the results of PCR with other variables, to increase the effectiveness of detecting infectious patients.”

Another scientific review14,15 that looked into how the timing of the test influences results and your risk of being infectious was posted on the preprint server medRxiv September 29, 2020. Fourteen studies were included in this review.

The data show that your chances of getting a true positive on the first day of COVID-19 symptom onset is only about 40%. Not until Day 3 from symptom onset do you have an 80% chance of getting an accurate PCR result.

By Day 5 the accuracy shrinks considerably and by Day 8 the accuracy is nil. Now, these are symptomatic people. When you’re asymptomatic, your odds of a positive PCR test being accurate is virtually nonexistent.

The graph below, from one of the studies16 included in the review (Bullard et. al.), illustrates the probability of a patient being infectious (having live virus) based on the CT used and the timing of the test. As explained by the review authors:17

“The figure … shows how the probability of SARS-CoV-2 infectious virus is greater (the red bars) when the cycle threshold is lower (the blue line) and when symptoms to test time is shorter — beyond 8 days, no live virus was detected.”

probability of a patient being infectious
Florida to Require Disclosure of CT Data

Even though health authorities know that high CTs result in high rates of false positives, they do not specify the CT used for the PCR tests they’re reporting. Fortunately, that’s about to change in Florida, which just became the first state to require all labs in the state to report the CT used for their PCR tests.18

The Florida Health Department issued the order December 3, 2020, and labs must comply with the new mandatory reporting rule within seven days.19

This could prove quite interesting, especially if the state health department decides to invalidate positive results obtained from tests run above a certain amplification threshold. Time will tell exactly how this reporting requirement might influence pandemic response measures such as mask mandates and lockdowns.
Portugal Rules Quarantine Based on PCR Results Is Unlawful

In related news, an appeals court in Portugal recently ruled20,21 that the PCR test is “not a reliable test for SARS-CoV-2” and that “a single positive PCR test cannot be used as an effective diagnosis of infection.” Therefore, “any enforced quarantine based on the results is unlawful.”22

The court also noted that forcing healthy people to self-isolate could be a violation of their fundamental right to liberty. The case was brought by four German tourists who had been forced to self-quarantine after one of them tested positive.

Several scientific studies were brought forth as evidence in this case, including a September 28, 2020, study23 in Clinical Infectious Diseases, which found that when you run a PCR test at a CT of 35 or higher, the accuracy drops to 3%, resulting in a 97% false positive rate. The court ruled that, based on the science presented, any PCR test using a CT over 25 is unreliable.
Fatal Errors Found in Paper on Which PCR Testing Is Based

The Portuguese appeals court is not alone in its critique of the PCR test being used as the sole criteria for quarantine. November 30, 2020, the scientific paper24 describing the work flow of how to use the PCR test to diagnose SARS-CoV-2 infection — which was quickly accepted as the standard by the WHO and applied across the world — was challenged25 by 22 international scientists who demand that the paper be retracted due to “fatal errors.”26

The paper in question was written by Christian Drosten, Ph.D., a German virologist, and Victor Corman, who heads a German working group on virus diagnostics and clinical virology. According to Reiner Fuellmich,27 founding member of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss,28 or ACU),29,30 Drosten is a key culprit in the COVID-19 pandemic hoax.

One of the key “fatal errors” in the Corman-Drosten paper is that they wrote it — and developed the PCR test — before there was any viral isolate available. All they used was the genetic sequence published online by Chinese scientists in January 2020.

Interestingly, the paper was published a mere 24 hours after it was submitted, which suggests it wasn’t even peer-reviewed before being embraced by the whole world. Undercover DC interviewed Kevin Corbett, Ph.D., one of the 22 scientists who are now demanding the paper’s retraction, who stated:31

“Every scientific rationale for the development of that test has been totally destroyed by this paper. It’s like Hiroshima/Nagasaki to the COVID test.

When Drosten developed the test, China hadn’t given them a viral isolate. They developed the test from a sequence in a gene bank. Do you see? China gave them a genetic sequence with no corresponding viral isolate. They had a code, but no body for the code. No viral morphology.

In the fish market, it’s like giving you a few bones and saying ‘that’s your fish.’ It could be any fish ... Listen, the Corman-Drosten paper, there’s nothing from a patient in it. It’s all from gene banks. And the bits of the virus sequence that weren’t there they made up.

They synthetically created them to fill in the blanks. That’s what genetics is; it’s a code. So, its ABBBCCDDD and you’re missing some, what you think is EEE, so you put it in ... This is basically a computer virus.

There are 10 fatal errors in this Drosten test paper ... But here is the bottom line: There was no viral isolate to validate what they were doing. The PCR products of the amplification didn’t correspond to any viral isolate at that time. I call it ‘donut ring science.’ There is nothing at the center of it. It’s all about code, genetics, nothing to do with reality …

There have since been papers saying they’ve produced viral isolates. But there are no controls for them. The CDC produced a paper in July … where they said: ‘Here’s the viral isolate.’ Do you know what they did? They swabbed one person. One person, who’d been to China and had cold symptoms. One person. And they assumed he had [COVID-19] to begin with. So, it’s all full of holes, the whole thing.”

No Viable Virus Found in Positive Cases

The critique against PCR testing is further strengthened by a November 20, 2020, study32 in Nature Communications, which found no viable virus in PCR-positive cases. The study evaluated data from 9,865,404 residents of Wuhan, China, who had undergone PCR testing between May 14 and June 1, 2020.

A total of 300 tested positive but had no symptoms. Of the 34,424 people with a history of COVID-19, 107 tested positive a second time. Yet when they did virus cultures on these 407 individuals who had tested positive (either for the first or second time), no live virus was found.
Expose the Fraud, End the Misery

A number of experts have now come forward, calling out the COVID-19 pandemic as a cruel hoax perpetuated by fatally flawed testing. Aside from this testing data, there’s no evidence of a lethal pandemic at all. While there is such a thing as COVID-19, and people have and do die from it, there are no excess deaths due to it.33,34,35

In other words, the total mortality for 2020 is normal. The pandemic has not killed more people than would die in any given year — from something, anything — anyway. So, unless we think we should shut down the world and stop living because people die from heart disease, diabetes, cancer, the flu or anything else, then there’s no reason to shut down the world because some people happen to die from COVID-19.

The good news is the hoax is starting to be exposed, and will continue to be exposed as more cases are brought before the courts of the world. Fuellmich and his ACU legal team are leading that charge. As for what you can do in the meantime, consider:

• Turning off mainstream media news and turning to independent experts — Do the research. Read through the science.

• Continue to counter the censorship by asking questions — The more questions are asked, the more answers will come to light. Arm yourself with mortality statistics and the facts on PCR testing, so you can explain how and why this pandemic simply isn’t a pandemic anymore.

• If you are a medical professional, especially if you’re a member of a professional society, write an open letter to your government, urging them to speak to and heed recommendations from independent experts.

• Sign The Great Barrington Declaration,36 which calls for an end to lockdowns.

• Join a group so that you can have support. Examples of groups formed to fight against government overreach include:

◦ Us for Them, a group campaigning for reopening schools and protecting children’s rights in the U.K.

◦ The COVID Recovery Group (CRG), founded by 50 conservative British MPs to fight lockdown restrictions37

◦ The Freedom to Breathe Agency, a U.S. team of attorneys, doctors, business owners and parents who are fighting to protect freedom and liberty

[greybeard]

The whole lockdown and fearmongering is built on a false premise ie that the tests are valid,
Months ago several members got their knuckles rapped for pointing this out.
The tests are not fit for purpose.
AND the health and economy of this world is under great threat due to people believing that this virus is a pandemic and will kill them.
The only truth is that there is a seasonal virus, call it a flu, which conforms to the normal pattern -- it comes it goes -- some wlil die --the great majority will survive.
This years mortality very similar to the average experienced every year.

Chris

[onawah]

Why does the WHO Now Admit that the PCR COVID Tests are Not Accurate? So They Can Claim the Vaccine is Working?
December 18, 2020
https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/why-does-the-who-now-admit-that-the-pcr-covid-tests-are-not-accurate-so-they-can-claim-the-vaccine-is-working/

WHO (finally) admits PCR tests create false positives
Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical.

by Kit Knightly
OffGuardian.org

"The World Health Organization released a guidance memo on December 14th, warning that high cycle thresholds on PCR tests will result in false positives.

While this information is accurate, it has also been available for months, so we must ask: why are they reporting it now? Is it to make it appear the vaccine works?

The “gold standard” Sars-Cov-2 tests are based on polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR works by taking nucleotides – tiny fragments of DNA or RNA – and replicating them until they become something large enough to identify.

The replication is done in cycles, with each cycle doubling the amount of genetic material.

The number of cycles it takes to produce something identifiable is known as the “cycle threshold” or “CT value”.

The higher the CT value, the less likely you are to be detecting anything significant.

This new WHO memo states that using a high CT value to test for the presence of Sars-Cov-2 will result in false-positive results.

To quote their own words [our emphasis]:

Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.

They go on to explain [again, our emphasis]:

The design principle of RT-PCR means that for patients with high levels of circulating virus (viral load), relatively few cycles will be needed to detect virus and so the Ct value will be low.

Conversely, when specimens return a high Ct value, it means that many cycles were required to detect virus. In some circumstances, the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain.

Of course, none of this is news to anyone who has been paying attention. That PCR tests were easily manipulated and potentially highly inaccurate has been one of the oft-repeated battle cries of those of us opposing the “pandemic” narrative, and the policies it’s being used to sell.

Many articles have been written about it, by many experts in the field, medical journalists and other researchers. It’s been commonly available knowledge, for months now, that any test using a CT value over 35 is potentially meaningless.

Dr Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR process, was clear that it wasn’t meant as a diagnostic tool, saying:

with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.

And, commenting on cycle thresholds, once said:

If you have to go more than 40 cycles to amplify a single-copy gene, there is something seriously wrong with your PCR.

The MIQE guidelines for PCR use state:

Cq values higher than 40 are suspect because of the implied low efficiency and generally should not be reported,

This has all been public knowledge since the beginning of the lockdown. The Australian government’s own website admitted the tests were flawed, and a court in Portugal ruled they were not fit for purpose.

Even Dr Anthony Fauci has publicly admitted that a cycle threshold over 35 is going to be detecting “dead nucleotides”, not a living virus.

Despite all this, it is known that many labs around the world have been using PCR tests with CT values over 35, even into the low 40s.

So why has the WHO finally decided to say this is wrong? What reason could they have for finally choosing to recognise this simple reality?

The answer to that is potentially shockingly cynical: We have a vaccine now. We don’t need false positives anymore.

Notionally, the system has produced its miracle cure. So, after everyone has been vaccinated, all the PCR tests being done will be done “under the new WHO guidelines”, and running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35+.

Lo and behold, the number of “positive cases” will plummet, and we’ll have confirmation that our miracle vaccine works.

After months of flooding the data pool with false positives, miscounting deaths “by accident”, adding “Covid19 related death” to every other death certificate…they can stop. The create-a-pandemic machine can be turned down to zero again.

…as long as we all do as we’re told. Any signs of dissent – masses of people refusing the vaccine, for example – and the CT value can start to climb again, and they bring back their magical disease.

Read the full article at OffGuardian.org.

Comments by Brian Shilhavy, Editor, Health Impact News:
Think of the moral and legal implications over admitting at this late stage that the COVID test used to lock down the world has been inaccurate all along.

How many people died due to fear over the hysteria caused by using these false tests? How many lives have been ruined from loss of income, jobs, and family members?

If this had been treated as a seasonal flu strain like every other year, where would we be today?

These are crimes against humanity, and the top bureaucrat “doctors” who controlled public policy on COVID are guilty of mass murder.

And Kit is probably correct in stating that they are only doing this now to start promoting the COVID vaccines, because 30-year veteran journalist Jon Rapopport, as usual, was the first one to predict this over a month ago. See:

How they’ll fake the success of the COVID vaccine
PCR Test Inventor Kary Mullis Exposes Dr. Fauci and his Criminal Cabal

(Video here, which I will ask the MODS to embed.)
Dr. Kary Mullis died in 2019, just weeks before the COVID Plandemic was launched."

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[Reinhard]

Onawah, EXACTLY!!..........."they" knew it all along........built their criminal plan on it, and are starting phase 2, using CT as a perfect manipulation tool to reach the (final?) goal: total controll via worldwide vaccination. A cynical plan and crime against humanity! I hope, Fuellmich et al will be successful --- soon, before it's too late for thousands/millions of humans.
Reinhard

[onawah]

Millions Against Medical Mandates
nfo@mamm.org via gmail.mcsv.net
Dec 29, 2020

"Dear MAMM Community,

MAMM's Collaborative Communication Committee is composed of a cross-section of individuals (physicians, lawyers, nurses, activists, researchers etc.) from many different organizations in our movement who collaborated to create this BASIC flier highlighting the inadequacies of the PCR test.

A much more detailed version is almost complete and will follow. However, since many absurd and over-the-top public health decisions are being made based on a test that was never intended to detect a specific infection, it makes sense to expose the truth about this test to all who will listen. Please help us get this basic version to those in the "movable middle" (the folks who have not yet made up their minds.)

The flier can be accessed and downloaded here:
https://mamm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Did-You-Know-PCR-Test-Untrustworthy.pdf

Extract segments or use it in its entirety. But please - let's just get it out there and wake the world up as to what's really going on!

MAMM's Collaborative Communication Committee
Millions Against Medical Mandates MAMM.org https://mamm.org/ "

[iota]

there was a BREAKING announcement today from the WHO

i will repost here


BREAKING NEWS WHO ANNOUNCEMENT

https://cache.pakistantoday.com.pk/world-health-organization-who-refuses-to-give-financial-support-to-pakistan.jpg

its a MIRACLE

or we've been had ...

so ... JUST ONE HOUR After Biden's inauguration .. turns out the WHO made a mistake in respect to the number of deaths that have been attributed to COVID this past year ...

they just said ... "ooops! my bad ..."

but no apologies .. there was no "sorry about that anywhere in announcement"


An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In,
WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates
Individuals Testing Positive for COVID

GP reports:

"Surprise, Surprise – Literally one hour after Biden was sworn in, the World Health Organization admitted that PCR testing produces high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives.

The WHO released a report today saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives:


https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1351975650521993221

The WHO has hid the truth about the COVID pandemic from the start. We reported in March 2020 that the WHO was reporting bogus numbers grossly overstating the mortality rate of COVID. We were right.

March article here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/right-march-provided-evidence-coronavirus-mortality-rate-grossly-overstated-today-finally-came-conclusion/)

source here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/)


cvNloum9UHnK

[pueblo]

there was a BREAKING announcement today from the WHO

i will repost here


BREAKING NEWS WHO ANNOUNCEMENT

https://cache.pakistantoday.com.pk/world-health-organization-who-refuses-to-give-financial-support-to-pakistan.jpg

its a MIRACLE

or we've been had ...

so ... JUST ONE HOUR After Biden's inauguration .. turns out the WHO made a mistake in respect to the number of deaths that have been attributed to COVID this past year ...

they just said ... "ooops! my bad ..."

but no apologies .. there was no "sorry about that anywhere in announcement"


An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In,
WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates
Individuals Testing Positive for COVID

GP reports:

"Surprise, Surprise – Literally one hour after Biden was sworn in, the World Health Organization admitted that PCR testing produces high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives.

The WHO released a report today saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives:


https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1351975650521993221

The WHO has hid the truth about the COVID pandemic from the start. We reported in March 2020 that the WHO was reporting bogus numbers grossly overstating the mortality rate of COVID. We were right.

March article here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/right-march-provided-evidence-coronavirus-mortality-rate-grossly-overstated-today-finally-came-conclusion/)

source here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/)


cvNloum9UHnK

But it's a reciprocal type of miracle! Hallelujah!

On the same same day as the WHO told the world what we have all known for months and months about the PCR test the Biden administration announced they would be rejoining (for rejoining read restart funding) the WHO!

[iota]

But it's a reciprocal type of miracle! Hallelujah!

On the same same day as the WHO told the world what we have all known for months and months about the PCR test the Biden administration announced they would be rejoining (for rejoining read restart funding) the WHO!

disastrous, and sadly, not unexpected!

and so begins OUR part in the correction process and response-ability for our lives!

Trump is the most amazing phenomenon that America was allowed to experience

we had been numb, and those outside of these circles, ignorant to the gravest of transgressions that are leveled against US

no more ~ we KNOW today much more than at ANY time in history

1.) and THAT must NOT end ~ we MUST take action to allow information (Truth) to flow freely

or we will PAY and i mean dearly ... the first lethal blow was when we FAILED to take action to STOP censorship.

ok .. so THAT was our CHOICE?

NO ACTION to END censorship?

then the consequence was LOSS of our government

the ONLY way that Biden got in? was NOT FRAUD

BUT the PERCEPTION of the general masses whose Social Narrative was CONTROLLED


BY THE MEDIA

and EVERYONE of the 80,000,000 who:

1.) WATCHED the news

2.) used Google for their searches

3.) stayed in Twitter, Facebook, and What's UP
(just to keep list SHORT)

4) have ANY money in JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America or Wells Fargo

not only CONTRIBUTED but PAID to HAVE our GOVERNMENT STOLEN

let's see how we enjoy the consequences of OUR CHOICES

or is there ANY doubt that NONE of these "GIANTS" have viability without US?

because ... oh .. yea .. THAT was ALSO part of the narrative

that THEY have ALL the power and WE have NONE

and they have EXTENDED TREMENDOUS EFFORT and UNWAVERING FOCUS to MAKE us think this

betraying the fragility of THAT deception

and the baselessness of its premise

in contrast to TRUTH .. which does NOT REQUIRE defense

it is, in fact, quite unaffected by our belief or agreement or not

as WE come to this realization? THAT alone weakens the premise by just that much

as we CHOOSE to withdraw our support?

it is the beginning of their demise.

:shielddeflect:

[DaveToo]

there was a BREAKING announcement today from the WHO

i will repost here


BREAKING NEWS WHO ANNOUNCEMENT

https://cache.pakistantoday.com.pk/world-health-organization-who-refuses-to-give-financial-support-to-pakistan.jpg

its a MIRACLE

or we've been had ...

so ... JUST ONE HOUR After Biden's inauguration .. turns out the WHO made a mistake in respect to the number of deaths that have been attributed to COVID this past year ...

they just said ... "ooops! my bad ..."

but no apologies .. there was no "sorry about that anywhere in announcement"


An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In,
WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates
Individuals Testing Positive for COVID

GP reports:

"Surprise, Surprise – Literally one hour after Biden was sworn in, the World Health Organization admitted that PCR testing produces high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives.

The WHO released a report today saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives:


https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1351975650521993221

The WHO has hid the truth about the COVID pandemic from the start. We reported in March 2020 that the WHO was reporting bogus numbers grossly overstating the mortality rate of COVID. We were right.

March article here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/right-march-provided-evidence-coronavirus-mortality-rate-grossly-overstated-today-finally-came-conclusion/)

source here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/)


cvNloum9UHnK

Yes you have been had my friend. :(

Your entire post is sensationalist FAKE news at its finest!

First of all, the W.H.O. did not admit PCR tests were producing "high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives" one hour after Biden was sworn in.
Fake news; check.

Second of all, the W.H.O. did not release a report today or yesterday "saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives"
Fake news; check.

Andy Swan's Tweet, which is now "unavailable", was totally bogus.
Fake news; check.

The GatewayPundit.com article published yesterday, Jan 20, 2020 was totally bogus.
Fake news; check.

The so-called "source" 'One America News' video was recorded way back in Oct 2020. This is not breaking news one hour after Biden was sworn in.
Fake news; check.

There is not one iota of truth to any part of your post. :(

[pueblo]

there was a BREAKING announcement today from the WHO

i will repost here


BREAKING NEWS WHO ANNOUNCEMENT

https://cache.pakistantoday.com.pk/world-health-organization-who-refuses-to-give-financial-support-to-pakistan.jpg

its a MIRACLE

or we've been had ...

so ... JUST ONE HOUR After Biden's inauguration .. turns out the WHO made a mistake in respect to the number of deaths that have been attributed to COVID this past year ...

they just said ... "ooops! my bad ..."

but no apologies .. there was no "sorry about that anywhere in announcement"


An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In,
WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates
Individuals Testing Positive for COVID

GP reports:

"Surprise, Surprise – Literally one hour after Biden was sworn in, the World Health Organization admitted that PCR testing produces high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives.

The WHO released a report today saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives:


https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1351975650521993221

The WHO has hid the truth about the COVID pandemic from the start. We reported in March 2020 that the WHO was reporting bogus numbers grossly overstating the mortality rate of COVID. We were right.

March article here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/right-march-provided-evidence-coronavirus-mortality-rate-grossly-overstated-today-finally-came-conclusion/)

source here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/)


cvNloum9UHnK

Yes you have been had my friend. :(

Your entire post is sensationalist FAKE news at its finest!

First of all, the W.H.O. did not admit PCR tests were producing "high amplification rates and results and a huge number of false positives" one hour after Biden was sworn in.
Fake news; check.

Second of all, the W.H.O. did not release a report today or yesterday "saying that their COVID testing overstates the number of false positives"
Fake news; check.

Andy Swan's Tweet, which is now "unavailable", was totally bogus.
Fake news; check.

The GatewayPundit.com article published yesterday, Jan 20, 2020 was totally bogus.
Fake news; check.

The so-called "source" 'One America News' video was recorded way back in Oct 2020. This is not breaking news one hour after Biden was sworn in.
Fake news; check.

There is not one iota of truth to any part of your post. :(

You my friend, are the one delivering the 'fake news'! Check.

The WHO page that the article below is based on has now been taken down but I have seen it referenced by many reliable sources.

Here is a screen shot of a search for this topic which shows that the page did exist, it clearly shows the quote used in the article below and the link is to the WHO website.

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WHO (Finally) Admits PCR Tests Create False Positives

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, DEC 20, 2020 - 8:12
Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,

Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical...

While this information is accurate, it has also been available for months, so we must ask: why are they reporting it now? Is it to make it appear the vaccine works?

The “gold standard” Sars-Cov-2 tests are based on polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR works by taking nucleotides – tiny fragments of DNA or RNA – and replicating them until they become something large enough to identify. The replication is done in cycles, with each cycle doubling the amount of genetic material. The number of cycles it takes to produce something identifiable is known as the “cycle threshold” or “CT value”. The higher the CT value, the less likely you are to be detecting anything significant.

This new WHO memo states that using a high CT value to test for the presence of Sars-Cov-2 will result in false-positive results.

To quote their own words [our emphasis]:

Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.

They go on to explain [again, our emphasis]:

The design principle of RT-PCR means that for patients with high levels of circulating virus (viral load), relatively few cycles will be needed to detect virus and so the Ct value will be low. Conversely, when specimens return a high Ct value, it means that many cycles were required to detect virus. In some circumstances, the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain.

Of course, none of this is news to anyone who has been paying attention. That PCR tests were easily manipulated and potentially highly inaccurate has been one of the oft-repeated battle cries of those of us opposing the “pandemic” narrative, and the policies it’s being used to sell.

Many articles have been written about it, by many experts in the field, medical journalists and other researchers. It’s been commonly available knowledge, for months now, that any test using a CT value over 35 is potentially meaningless.

Dr Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR process, was clear that it wasn’t meant as a diagnostic tool, saying:

with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.”

And, commenting on cycle thresholds, once said:

If you have to go more than 40 cycles to amplify a single-copy gene, there is something seriously wrong with your PCR.”

The MIQE guidelines for PCR use state:

Cq values higher than 40 are suspect because of the implied low efficiency and generally should not be reported,”

This has all been public knowledge since the beginning of the lockdown. The Australian government’s own website admitted the tests were flawed, and a court in Portugal ruled they were not fit for purpose.

Even Dr Anthony Fauci has publicly admitted that a cycle threshold over 35 is going to be detecting “dead nucleotides”, not a living virus.

Despite all this, it is known that many labs around the world have been using PCR tests with CT values over 35, even into the low 40s.

So why has the WHO finally decided to say this is wrong? What reason could they have for finally choosing to recognise this simple reality?

The answer to that is potentially shockingly cynical: We have a vaccine now. We don’t need false positives anymore.

Notionally, the system has produced its miracle cure.

So, after everyone has been vaccinated, all the PCR tests being done will be done “under the new WHO guidelines”, and running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35+.

Lo and behold, the number of “positive cases” will plummet, and we’ll have confirmation that our miracle vaccine works.

After months of flooding the data pool with false positives, miscounting deaths “by accident”, adding “Covid19 related death” to every other death certificate…they can stop. The create-a-pandemic machine can be turned down to zero again.

…as long as we all do as we’re told. Any signs of dissent – masses of people refusing the vaccine, for example – and the CT value can start to climb again, and they bring back their magical disease.


And here is a link to the missing page on the Wayback Machine...the internet never forgets!!

https://web.archive.org/web/20210118212450/https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

[DaveToo]

You my friend, are the one delivering the 'fake news'! Check.

The WHO page that the article below is based on has now been taken down but I have seen it referenced by many reliable sources.

Here is a screen shot of a search for this topic which shows that the page did exist, it clearly shows the quote used in the article below and the link is to the WHO website.

45904





WHO (Finally) Admits PCR Tests Create False Positives

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, DEC 20, 2020 - 8:12
Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,

Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical...




And here is a link to the missing page on the Wayback Machine...the internet never forgets!!

https://web.archive.org/web/20210118212450/https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

Pueblo I stand 100% behind every point in my post!

Everything was fake news.

You have not posted anything that changes that.

Some people have decided to re-hash ancient news from Oct 2020.

The Kit Knightly article presents nothing new.
Nothing was released one hour after Biden was inaugurated.

The WHO article that is referenced in the WayBackMachine was NOT from Jan 20, 2020.
And it has nothing new about the PCR tests.

This is all bunch of HOT AIR!

[pueblo]

You my friend, are the one delivering the 'fake news'! Check.

The WHO page that the article below is based on has now been taken down but I have seen it referenced by many reliable sources.

Here is a screen shot of a search for this topic which shows that the page did exist, it clearly shows the quote used in the article below and the link is to the WHO website.

45904





WHO (Finally) Admits PCR Tests Create False Positives

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, DEC 20, 2020 - 8:12
Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,

Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical...




And here is a link to the missing page on the Wayback Machine...the internet never forgets!!

https://web.archive.org/web/20210118212450/https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

Pueblo I stand 100% behind every point in my post!

Everything was fake news.

You have not posted anything that changes that.

Some people have decided to re-hash ancient news from Oct 2020.

The Kit Knightly article presents nothing new.
Nothing was released one hour after Biden was inaugurated.

The WHO article that is referenced in the WayBackMachine was NOT from Jan 20, 2020.
And it has nothing new about the PCR tests.

This is all bunch of HOT AIR!

So your point was only about the date of the WHO article, not the content? If so, you are being pedantic and totally disingenuous labelling the story fake news...

The WHO article (7th Dec 2020) clearly warns of the dangers of false positives with the PCR test...


"Description of the problem: WHO has received user feedback on an elevated risk for false SARS-CoV-2 results when testing specimens using RT-PCR reagents on open systems. "

However here is a link to the current article which most of the current news stories are actually referencing, this was released 20th of January 2021 (Article here https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05 ), the clever buggers just changed the location of this article on their site to sow a little confusion and muddy the waters.

Here is a quote from this article which as Iota rightly claimed was released yesterday and does warn about the dangers of false positives with the PCR test...


"WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases"

Will you now please admit that you were mistaken (it happens to us all) and that what you posted was indeed fake news?

If you are not willing to retract your false claim then the record will show that you are purposely sowing misinformation here and I would ask you what exactly is your agenda?

Thanks

[Reinhard]

Quote: "The answer to that is potentially shockingly cynical: We have a vaccine now. We don’t need false positives anymore.

Notionally, the system has produced its miracle cure.

So, after everyone has been vaccinated, all the PCR tests being done will be done “under the new WHO guidelines”, and running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35+.

Lo and behold, the number of “positive cases” will plummet, and we’ll have confirmation that our miracle vaccine works." end of quote

EXACTLY!!

"They"-- whoever they are -- have two perfect manipulation-levers at hand, now and the years to come: the CT and endless mutations. Very cynical, very effective!

Reinhard

[DaveToo]

Will you now please admit that you were mistaken (it happens to us all) and that what you posted was indeed fake news?

If you are not willing to retract your false claim then the record will show that you are purposely sowing misinformation here and I would ask you what exactly is your agenda?

Thanks

No, of course I was not mistaken.

No false claims were made by me.
Anyone willing to take the time I did to research this
will discover this to be the case.

I spent more than half an hour (too much) researching each and every article/piece of information in iota's post.

I tracked every single one.
And every single one, as I outlined in my post was FAKE news!

I defy you, or anyone here to take any of the points I made and
show that the news was not fake!

And the stuff that you have added since my post has not changed any of the fake news that I mentioned.

This type of 'news reporting' is what gives the alt-media a bad name.
Names such as "conspiracy theorists" etc.

[DaveToo]

Pueblo,




You my friend, are the one delivering the 'fake news'! Check.

The WHO page that the article below is based on has now been taken down but I have seen it referenced by many reliable sources.

Here is a screen shot of a search for this topic which shows that the page did exist, it clearly shows the quote used in the article below and the link is to the WHO website...



You state above that “The WHO page that the article below is based on…”

So if an article is based on something, which came first, the ‘article’ or the ‘WHO page’?

Obviously the ‘WHO page’ came first and the ‘article’ came second.

This is HUGELY IMPORTANT!



Pueblo these quotes are taken from the damning ‘article’ you posted, when you were attempting to prove I was wrong about the fake news.

Note closely all of the text that I have made bold.


Dec 18, 2020 article: (by Kit Knightly)

“The World Health Organization released a guidance memo on December 14th, warning that high cycle thresholds on PCR tests will result in false positives.”

“While this information is accurate, it has also been available for months, so we must ask: why are they reporting it now? Is it to make it appear the vaccine works? “

“This new WHO memo states that using a high CT value to test for the presence of Sars-Cov-2 will result in false-positive results.”

“Of course, none of this is news to anyone who has been paying attention.”

“Many articles have been written about it, by many experts in the field, medical journalists and other researchers. It’s been commonly available knowledge, for months now, that any test using a CT value over 35 is potentially meaningless.”

“So why has the WHO finally decided to say this is wrong? What reason could they have for finally choosing to recognise this simple reality?”




The essence of what Kit Knightly writes is correct and something I have known for many months now.

However his article is not damning! It is not news and he is not revealing any news!

Mr. Knightly’s article was written more than a month ago!!!
If you consider that news, I can’t help you.

This is the point I am trying to make iota and pueblo.
What started this all off today was when I received notice of a post here at Avalon
that something shocking had occurred just one hour after Biden was inaugurated.

That piqued my curiosity so I started reading what it was about. The more I read the more it was turning out to be a nothing-burger.

Someone (Kit Knightly) decided to write an article more than a month ago about old news, based on a statement the W.H.O. had made back on December 14, 2020.

Someone (Andy Swan) for some strange reason decides to make a Tweet about this old news, after Biden was elected (and then thinks better of it, by deleting it).

In the meantime The GatewayPundit.com picks up on this (maybe has ties to Andy?) and decides to publish an article on this yesterday, Jan 20, 2020 that was totally bogus.

The entire The GatewayPundit.com article reeks of fake news starting with the pasting of a screen shot of WHO’s Tedros Adhanom taken from (get this) March 2020, to the “WHO’s ‘admission’ one hour after Biden was sworn in” nonsense, to Andy Swan’s bogus Tweet that was retracted soon after.

You can’t make this stuff up!
As I said in my last post, all of this does nothing but give the Alt-news media a bad name.

We should always be on guard for misquoting, posting ‘news’ that hasn’t been fact-checked, dates and times (so important) etc. etc. etc.

[pueblo]

Will you now please admit that you were mistaken (it happens to us all) and that what you posted was indeed fake news?

If you are not willing to retract your false claim then the record will show that you are purposely sowing misinformation here and I would ask you what exactly is your agenda?

Thanks

No, of course I was not mistaken.

No false claims were made by me.
Anyone willing to take the time I did to research this
will discover this to be the case.

I spent more than half an hour (too much) researching each and every article/piece of information in iota's post.

I tracked every single one.
And every single one, as I outlined in my post was FAKE news!

I defy you, or anyone here to take any of the points I made and
show that the news was not fake!

And the stuff that you have added since my post has not changed any of the fake news that I mentioned.

This type of 'news reporting' is what gives the alt-media a bad name.
Names such as "conspiracy theorists" etc.

You spent a full 30 minutes researching this???? Maybe you should write a thesis?

You have not responded to the WHO article clearly dated 20th January 2021 which warns of the dangers of false positives with the PCR test which was all rightly stated by Iota and which shows you were wrong, the fact you cannot admit that says much about you.

At this stage I am calling you out as a disinformation troll.

I am done responding to you and your disingenuous posting! Goodbye.

[DaveToo]

*** Notice to ALL ***

This mini-thread on 'the WHO's PCR test admission one hour after Biden took oath' is a big fat nothing burger.
But if you'd like to get quickly up to speed, I am adding this followup should you be interested.

pueblo I realize you are not interested in continuing this discussion. That's fine.
Perhaps you are carrying over some animosity from another thread and projecting it onto me?

Make no mistake about it, we are on the same team with respect to the pandemic! The W.H.O. is the enemy. However in this case someone ‘goofed’. The W.H.O. left no damning evidence at their site, neither an hour after Biden took oath, nor any time that day.


The beauty of the internet is that the record always speaks for itself. Anyone with the interest and inclination can check everything I said to see if I was accurate or not.


Allow me to summarize what happened, or rather what didn't happen in this case.
It's a bit of a tangled web, but I will help you untangle it. :)

1. There was no Earth-shattering announcement by the WHO an hour after Biden was elected.
That was total fake news on the part of Andy Swan and 'thegatewaypundit.com'.

2. The WHO posted a news release to their site on Jan 20 but it was not damning information in any way.
They post news releases almost daily and this was just another regular 'vanilla' news item concerning the PCR tests.

3. Something triggered Andy Swan when he read the news release though. And he started to post nonsense to Twitter about the WHO, PCR tests and 'an hour after Biden took oath'.

4. Somehow thegatewaypundit.com picked up on Andy's comments and they decided to run a fake news story on it.

Starting with a sensationalist totally fake news headline:

"An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In, WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates Individuals Testing Positive for COVID"
The WHO never mentioned anything of the sort an hour after Biden was sworn in, anytime on Jan 20, or anytime at all !!!

Followed by the freshest photo they could find of W.H.O.'s Tedros Adhanom (from March 2020).

Followed by Andy Swan's tweet about the WHO's 'admission' one hour after Biden took his oath (before Swan mysteriously deleted it).

5. pueblo then buys into the fake news story, hook line and sinker and starts to say I am wrong, it is not fake news!


pueblo shoots himself in the foot though!!!

He says, here is proof that I am right and you are wrong! He then posts a screen shot taken from the WHO's site (he says it was later taken down by the WHO). This screen shot is supposed to be the smoking gun!

It is supposed to give proof that just an hour after Biden took his oath, the WHO posted damning information to its site, saying its PCR test are basically unreliable giving too many false positives.

And right below his screen shot, pueblo posts an article written by Kit Knightly. He says inside Kit's article there is a quote from the WHO's site post (that was made the day Biden took office).

There's just one small problem with pueblo's smoking gun evidence.
Kit's article was written more than a month ago !!!!
This means Kit was referencing a post to WHO's site that is at least one month old !!!

So much for the smoking gun evidence that the WHO posted damning evidence to their site ONE HOUR AFTER BIDEN TOOK OFFICE!

The rest as they say is fake news history, presented unfortunately this time by the Alt-news media and promulgated by people ensnarled by the trap. :(

[Ernie Nemeth]

Yes. The test is unreliable and gives too many false positives because the test can be manually adjusted by anyone who has a need to invent more cases for extra funding or for the continuation of draconian lock down measures designed to destroy small businesses.

So yes, the WHO has admitted what we already knew long ago...who said what when is not the point and should not be belabored. Especially at the cost of the salient and pertinent facts, that the test is not designed to be used to determine illness.

[DaveToo]

Yes. The test is unreliable and gives too many false positives because the test can be manually adjusted by anyone who has a need to invent more cases for extra funding or for the continuation of draconian lock down measures designed to destroy small businesses.

So yes, the WHO has admitted what we already knew long ago...who said what when is not the point and should not be belabored. Especially at the cost of the salient and pertinent facts, that the test is not designed to be used to determine illness.

Yes of course you are stating the most important points to this.

That everyone who has two brain cells (including the WHO, the CDC et al.) minus the majority of the general public, has known for many months now that the PCR tests are a fraud.

And BTW, the WHO admitted all of this a long time ago, not in a news release an hour after Biden took office!!!

It bothers me though when people who are supposed to be on our side (the Alt-news media etc.)
try to construct fake news stories for no good reason other than to be sensational (and pull in viewers).

Andy Swan may be forgiven because he's just dense, but 'thegatewaypundit.com' saw an opportunity
to milk a fake story and just ran with it. :(

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'd be more worried about The 25th amendment being used in this illegal way that is clearly not the intent of the law.

I'd be more worried about censorship of the right across the globe. I'd be worried about corporatism and communism and criminals in the White House.

I'd be worried about Trudeau inviting the enemy to train in our country or traveling there to train in theirs.

So Jim Hoft made a boo-boo, by intent or by carelessness. Got it. Let's move on?

[DaveToo]

I'd be more worried about The 25th amendment being used in this illegal way that is clearly not the intent of the law.

I'd be more worried about censorship of the right across the globe. I'd be worried about corporatism and communism and criminals in the White House.

I'd be worried about Trudeau inviting the enemy to train in our country or traveling there to train in theirs.

So Jim Hoft made a boo-boo, by intent or by carelessness. Got it. Let's move on?

Absolutely! :)

Much more important issues to be concerned about.

[greybeard]

The test is a scam
Various videos a lot of good information
Chris

https://new.awakeningchannel.com/part-4-the-cv19-test-is-a-scam/

[Dick]

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05?fbclid=IwAR0a5yOfr4CVBwM3PKAzFsaM2-pO4tQ1MDIY-uINxFagglUgt5ES0skRGOw#.YAk6St8l1vo.twitter

Open this link and there is the date: 20 januari 2021

Or is this not what’s referred above?

[greybeard]

The PCR Test is Useless for Covid-19 (But Useful for Crooked Governments)
Dr Vernon Coleman



https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-pcr-test-is-useless-for-covid-19-but-useful-for-crooked-governments_H39cdYx6Iml3viB.html

[pueblo]

The WHO are very, very naughty, constantly posting stuff and then hiding it, taking it down, moving location... This is not the behaviour of an above board organisation with the best interests of humanity at heart.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1352639831122321408?s=20

[ByTheNorthernSea]

Coming to a testing centre near you...? :facepalm:

At just what point I wonder, will people say enough is enough? :(

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1354402708179050503?s=20

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1355151269095223298?s=20

[Tintin]

The WHO are very, very naughty, constantly posting stuff and then hiding it, taking it down, moving location... This is not the behaviour of an above board organisation with the best interests of humanity at heart.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1352639831122321408?s=20

Absolutely.

I've got a ton of Covid-19 related material to focus on adding to the already pretty large archive in the Avalon Library. The better news here is that I'd already downloaded this document a good couple of weeks ago - I'll get it in there as soon as. :highfive: