COVID-19 Contrarians

[christian]

I'm still on the fence with this. On the one hand, considering the low fatality numbers compared to other diseases it seems that what makes this whole corona shebang so real are the political shutdowns of public life and the resulting mass hysteria. On the other hand, I don't wanna be irresponsible in face of a virus that does have severe health effects and does kill people, even though it's not on a mass scale (yet).

This thread is meant to collect information from researchers and medical experts who argue that the panic is overblown from a medical point of view and that we should be more concerned with the negative consequences for civil liberties.


Wolfgang Wodarg, physician:
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Gerald Celente, trend forecaster:
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David Icke, independent researcher:
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Max Igan, independent researcher:
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Drew Pinsky, physician:




“What I have a problem with is the panic and the fact that businesses are getting destroyed and people’s lives are being upended. Not by the virus, but by the panic,” he explained. “The panic must stop, and the press, they really, somehow, need to be held accountable, because they are hurting people.”
(The Washington Times, March 10th (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/dr-drew-says-press-should-be-held-accountable-for-/?fbclid=IwAR1rklnB0AlsD2uZv8uwMB9FpwHk_5VY9eb3lDfDy3W-lK8hFtvqN-h5z3k))


Shiva Ayyadurai, biological engineer:




“As an MIT PhD in Biological Engineering who studies & does research nearly every day on the Immune System, the #coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!”
(TechStartups, March 12th (https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR1qa5mH1k2AGZdmTV2_Qy_pyn6jnDgdt5PCDw24bs5N0BziUZJmI8c5X8M))


Jon Rappoport, independent researcher:




"[T]he 2020 “epidemic” is identical to the previous duds: farcical announcement of an outbreak; miraculously quick and dubious “discovery” of a virus; deployment of diagnostic tests that don’t work; deceptive inflation of case numbers; ludicrous claim of global spread; where actual illness is occurring, a cover-up of the true reasons, which have nothing to do with a virus."
(NoMoreFakeNews (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/category/sars/))

[Iloveyou]

The Coronavirus COVID-19: “Agenda ID2020”

by Peter König (March 14, 2020)

What is the infamous ID2020? It is an alliance of public-private partners, including UN agencies and civil society. It’s an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity. The program harnesses existing birth registration and vaccination operations to provide newborns with a portable and persistent biometrically-linked digital identity. GAVI, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, identifies itself on its website as a global health partnership of public and private sector organizations dedicated to “immunization for all”. GAVI is supported by WHO, and needless to say, its main partners and sponsors are the pharma-industry.

The ID2020 Alliance at their 2019 Summit, entitled “Rising to the Good ID Challenge”, in September 2019 in New York, decided to roll out their program in 2020, a decision confirmed by the WEF in January 2020 in Davos. Their digital identity program will be tested with the government of Bangladesh. GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance, and “partners from academia and humanitarian relief” (as they call it), are part of the pioneer party.

Is it just a coincidence that ID2020 is being rolled out at the onset of what WHO calls a Pandemic? – Or is a pandemic needed to ‘roll out’ the multiple devastating programs of ID2020?

full article:
(first published on globalresearch.ca)

https://kenfm.de/the-coronavirus-covid-19-agenda-id2020/


PS.

If you want to get the shivers, have a look at the GAVI website. One of their articles is titled: „Fingerprint records and digital health cards to help solve global identity crisis“. Identity crisis! That‘s exactly what we (as a species and as individuals) suffer from. We do not know who we are. But I doubt their methods will help us solve it.

[waves]

Christian, it seems you are on the fence about the FACE VALUE of how this crisis is being sold - what the actual danger is of 'CV virus' as the media is portraying it.

I strongly think 'OTHER' is the right way to view this very long planned and deliberate crisis that has many, many, many dominos waiting for an excuse to get pushed under this fake scapegoat..... and I predict there many more dominos in waiting to also use the excuse than we see now.

In terms of the face value 'coronavirus', I agree with the pundits you cited as how there is ZERO actual need for this worldwide overreaction/forced isolations/gathering cancellations/travel cancellation, PANIC, TOTAL disruption of normal life/incomes/plans which is about to lead to TOTAL destruction of former paths of STABILITY/FOOD/ESSENTIALS worldwide.

HOWEVER.

They're not addressing what appears to be the real biological threat - the hidden biological weaponry able to trigger the illness on any individual, city or country and conveniently now able to have this CV virus as the scapegoat.

I viewed the press conference yesterday with horror as the spectacle of Trump dropping the true intents of this agenda under this grand fake excuse. He paraded out all the head liars from each participating agency to explain the draconian measures their agency were going to be rolling out. I saw it as a historical evil moment in history.

The agenda is obviously the use of this excuse as a cloak to enact:

1. The further isolation of people from each other EVEN within cities (we had already been locally news isolated for years from other cities/countries) so we can't share/compare, and are terrified to interact let alone organize.

2. The targeted killing off of older people under the cloak/lie that 'older people are especially more susceptible, the young are not'. Actually said.

3. The rollout of ENORMOUS amounts more of surveillance invasive, privacy depleting, rights depleting laws under the cloak of 'emergency protection'.

4. The demonization of currency to begin the psychological conditioning to convert to all digital.

5. The destruction of ALL common ways of conducting life erasing the connections between small businesses, how essentials are obtained, how entertainment is obtained, more more more..... leading to leaving the world dependent on the remaining global/corporate suppliers of poisoned goods, poisoned food, poisoned imagery.

6. The destruction of the financial structure that the stability of millions are tied to through the stock market crash, bank failures.

7. The destruction of the travel industry, even within countries, and the destruction of the ability to as freely enjoy national parks, fresh air, open spaces and escape tyranny.

8. The domino effect of all these hits happening in rapid succession - WHICH WILL BE COMBINED THIS YEAR WITH MUCH MORE WEATHER DESTRUCTION - will leave millions and millions jobless, homeless, foodless, penniless, hopeless.

DOMINOS DOMINOS DOMINOS
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They pushed the dominos. There's no turning back now.

I call what was said and set in stone in...

The March Friday the 13th 2020 Presidential News Conference -

THE DAY THE AMERICAN DREAM WAS MURDERED

[Tomkoyote]

We all are in deep s***t today because of one fundamental reason and one reason only. The predominant species on this planet is not human with a brain. The vast majority is stupid cattle in a human shape. People like David Icke and a number of others have been trying hard for decades to educate the cattle. But the undeniable fact is that the cattle is not educatable and cannot register. Don't they say you can't teach a pig to sing....
A few days ago I attended a cultural event with 180-200 attendees; were present consuls and ambassadors from many countries, lawyers, doctors, etc.... When introducing myself I tried to shake hands, but no, no one wanted to shake hands. It is elbow to elbow contact now, and these idiots were laughing, smiling and proud of it.
A friend of mine was telling me a few days ago that he was on the train on his way to work and the train was packed as usual. He sneezed, and people started distancing themselves from him. Today it's okay to fart in public but sneezing or coughing is not okay.
Cattle is as cattle does.

[shaberon]

The Chinese were apparently baffled by the U. S. Secretary of State going to World Health Organization to demand this be called Wuhan virus.

The Chinese response, based on CDC statements, was: the U. S. has no patient zero. There were a number of deaths attributed to influenza or bronchitis, which, posthumously tested positive for Covid 19 virus. Others who are living with it, such as a teenager with no travel history, just don't fit the model.

U. S. is apparently the only country to have all five known strains; other places only have one or two.

Although there is no argument that the main outbreak was in Wuhan, how it got there, or what started it, is maybe a little more intricate than it just leaped off a bat or fish. Might have come from a non-Chinese.

What ensues from "panic" and having our government "do stuff" is unlikely to help. They are already in a wad about the "known flus", and are not in a position and/or are unable to help much on this. About the only way they can possibly help anything is to lock up criminals, which they are also not very good at.

The public, here, are already such germophobes, this is what I have noticed: in our public bathrooms at work, there are wastebaskets with "flippy" lids. Why a wastebasket needs a lid, I have no idea. The public is so afraid of the trash that they cannot push a paper towel through a swinging lid. So, the lid just gets covered with used paper towels, defeating whatever the purpose the lid may have had, and bringing any germs closer to you, the paper towel disposer. But we figured out that if you catch the lid on a wrinkle of the trash bag, it stays open, and then they can actually get the trash, into the trash.

"Who" is so afraid of everything? I don't personally know anybody who is like, "Hi, I'm afraid of everything,", but it must be pretty common.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Here's the thing. I fully accept that the PTB will use COVID-19 to accelerate their plans for surveillance of the population, cashless society, etc.

But that doesn't mean that COVID-19 is not a real virus which has severe health effects on a minority of the people infected.

I know that Wuhan was a centre for the roll-out of 5G in China, but the "COVID-19 is not real" theory has to explain why so many people have got ill in Iran and Italy, and now elsewhere in Europe - and probably the US albeit undetected. If COVID-19 is not the causative agent, then what is, and how is it transferred, and how come that transmission looks very much like a virus?

My own opinion is that COVID-19 is an experimental virus (bioweapon implies intent) which escaped from the Wuhan lab - there's a lot of back story there. Alternatively, it could be a bioweapon from the US - the Chinese authorities are now saying that publicly, which seems absolutely crazy to me. Seems like the normal rules of hiding the truth as much as possible do not apply - why?

[Agape]

The problem is that very little can be solved by “faith alone”. As a matter of fact we have got even to this point of our history thanks to millions of peoples effort.
Effort is an action, labour, workout other than just spontaneous ejection of creativity to time space. Continuous effort, that is cause and effect, precision and errors. So far there are still too many errors.

We live in biosphere inhabited by millions of advanced and not so advanced creatures and not all of them were benevolent to us when in plenty and before we hunted them to death and closed them to ZOOs.

We and them lived in violent relationships, eating each other for most of our history, so as there is millions of different “us” as there is millions of them, different versions of beastly nature fighting each other in the world battlefields.

Problem is that people keep doing and causing lots of unhealthy things to themselves then end up blaming their “governments” for allowing it to happen.
Without appropriate education of any subject any singular information may turn misleading.

Common people have always engaged in extensive “political debates”, with no background education required based on the veracity of their “opinion”.
I’m sure that even some of the oldest caves of this world witnessed fierce “political debates”( sometimes resulting in sudden mass burials under).

Yet we have so many tools now like the internet and books available globally so anyone in the civilised world can catch up on subjects they missed
and find out more about our own biology and living universe surrounding us if they want to even a little bit.

Another problem , many people forced to become their own doctors for timebeing become then doctors “by flip of a moment” rather than years of genuine study and practice.

Again, do not blame government for “feeding you” fake news.

This is not a TV and you’re not little kid to be fed the story you wanted to see this evening. There are good movies of course. Good movie is always an option,

Study more to find more links between the natural world we live in compared to level of information available. There is so much we could learn if we had the capacity to do that,


The Covid 19 epidemic situation reminds me of how many steps can be skipped in short time globally and jump to another version of our near future.
So much people did not know that they’ve learned in no time.

Of course there is a generation of people who are on the leave who literally say “we are done here we don’t want to learn anymore”.
It’s not an opinion of mine, it’s something people commonly start saying after reaching certain age -
in many cases it’s not true and they can help themselves if they wish to but in majority of “stoppers” the condition becomes a mind condition and life style.
Worse, it often ends in homes for elderly and disabled following symptoms of early dementia.

This is unfortunately what we see in the global community, a generation of elders who can’t read here, they don’t know what’s going on and get little if any help from their family and the state .. they become dead people for the society once they are poor and disabled.

This is what is happening also, dear Christian. And it will take another 20 or 30 years before all these people are gone or in good hands, living their worthy human experience till the end, with mental clarity and dignity and so forth.


Why are all the systems taking “on us” today ? Because too many people live without minds ? Just following their emotions ? Because following the Homo sapiens is another homo till one gets wiser about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/solidarity-balcony-singing-spreads-across-italy-during-lockdown

People singing from their windows and balconies in Italy as “one tribe”, God Bless really, who can judge ? 😀

That activity alone is the best way to spread the virus ..living so close to each other.

Italy has lots of faith alone that’s too much suffering


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[Jayke]

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai has been calling out the coronavirus scaremongering as a deepstate hoax (social engineering project) on his twitter feed for a while now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1237036487151177728
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https://mobile.twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1238442721741848578
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[christian]

There are more medical experts in Germany coming out saying that the panic is completely overblown. One is Prof. Dr. Karin Mölling, former Director of the Institute of Virology at the University of Zürich. An interview with her appeared in the German state radio which adds on its website that Mölling is "cynical" because you can't compare the numbers of corona deaths to the death toll of other diseases. I wonder why not? Isn't that exactly what you have to do? The radio says that old people are at greater risk. That's true, but that's also the case with the flu. Mölling says she's flabbergasted by what's going on and considering the current political climate, she'd have to fear for her job if she wasn't retired already.

Then there's Dr. Heiko Schöning who essentially says the same. He has also done phenomenal research regarding the anthrax story that preceded 911. He was able to conclusively prove that the official story about who was behind it was a lie and that it was most likely an intelligence operation. Long story, unfortunately I can't find his research in English. He also found an odd detail regarding corona, namely that George W. Bush's personal physician on 911, Richard Tubb, joined British American Tobacco as a non-executive director in 2013 and that the tobacco industry is now instrumental in developing a vaccine for corona. More about that here at Politico (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/15/could-tobacco-cure-coronavirus-115329), you can also find it elsewhere.

So many professionals coming out against the shutdowns. And yet they keep marching forward with this here in Germany, what a bizarre situation.

[Sunny-side-up]

I really, really hope there is justice.
For this reason I also hope there is a HELL where these demons go, but NOT for their pleasure.

[Agape]

Yes the top dogs of medical professionals are often the most cynical. I don’t know how to tell you how bad they can be even to their own colleagues.

It’s due to these people many truths never get out of hospitals and medical communities, labs etc. before it’s too late.
There are countless localised epidemics around hospitals and medical centres where people concentrate and that despite the best disinfection efforts.
Some hospitals are straight recipes for disasters, surgical wards for example. The amount of sepsis passed from one patient to another is hardly under control so far.

“They” have been lying to people a lot about many things for very long now.

That’s to say there are countless priceless doctors and nurses with golden hearts but there is a system dumping on their heads and holding their hands at all times now,


I hope we will hear some of these truths coming out and the call to address the situation better,
compared to it this Covid 19 is insignificant, truly. There is constant biological war we are against now, just realise it’s the part of natural fight and selection process here even while it can be “enhanced” and triggered by human activity,
intentionally or not.

[Caliban]

One of the big problems, alluded to above rather graphically (!), is that most people won't accept the fact that we're being played. If they could see that there's a big organ that Someone(s) are playing on that makes us move or not move, then maybe they'd manage to panic less and plan better.

I said something to that effect to a guy at the market yesterday, in regard to the toilet paper fiasco. He glanced at me and his smile faded and he looked like I was about to attack him. Maybe I was, belief systems wise.

Virus or no virus doesn't change this fact of being played. It--either way--only aggrandizes it. Maybe we have to resign ourselves to the idea that most won't accept it.

The question is--what is the Real virus ?

[Chester]

I'm still on the fence with this. On the one hand, considering the low fatality numbers compared to other diseases it seems that what makes this whole corona shebang so real are the political shutdowns of public life and the resulting mass hysteria. On the other hand, I don't wanna be irresponsible in face of a virus that does have severe health effects and does kill people, even though it's not on a mass scale (yet).

This thread is meant to collect information from researchers and medical experts who argue that the panic is overblown from a medical point of view and that we should be more concerned with the negative consequences for civil liberties.



Brilliant post, christian... This is what I put my money on February 26th.

We'll see. I have made losing bets before.

...and won a few, too.

[happyuk]

Another contrarian voice in the wilderness, statistician William Briggs.


Two years ago was twice as bad as this year’s horrible numbers. But I don’t recall a panic then, and there isn’t one now, either. About the flu. Importantly, there weren’t any travel restrictions or extraordinary measures taken to contain the flu then or now, yet the flu each year, as it does, burned itself out for all the reasons you already know (it gets warmer, people go outside, etc.).

Briggs really does know his advanced mathematics and it shows. These posts can be heavy going for those not so inclined, but stick with it...

Original post: https://wmbriggs.com/post/29117/

He makes the important point that
It cannot be that the number of new cases and deaths will increase without limit exponentially. When the panic/concern started a week or so back, I saw some projections of 1,178,144 deaths by 21 February using these kinds of exponential models.

He also shoots down Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding's tweet that
Whoa- the rate of increase ***outside of China*** is steeper than inside of China or Wuhan! Figure 1A. From: @TheLancet ‘Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of 2019-nCoV http://bit.ly/2GF6gZP’)

With


Well of course it is. Being a novel virus to a new, uninfected area, and the rate of increase necessarily is higher than in an area where is it extant. The rate of increase on the price a new widget, previously non-existent, is infinite.

I never did hear back from Fiegl-Ding (what a fun name!).
Am I wrong in sensing that some want this to be worse than it seems to be?

And the follow-ups:

https://wmbriggs.com/post/29186/
https://wmbriggs.com/post/29469/
https://wmbriggs.com/post/29761/
https://wmbriggs.com/post/29566/

Just an update to say how much I love one of the comments:


Remember when an epidemic was more than a tiny portion of the population and the death rate well over 50%. Seems we managed to wipe out all the big scary diseases, so now we have to exaggerate and wring hands over everything. A measles epidemic is less than 100 people in a country of 330 million. We are terrified of tiny insects, having defeated the giants.

[Caliban]

Have a look at John McAfee's recent twitter threads, most certainly contrarian. Very irreverant. And funny as s**t


https://twitter.com/officialmcafee?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Here's one:

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1239129339054211072

[T Smith]

At the risk of sounding neutral, I don't really see a contraction between the alarmists and the contrarians... Is this not two sides of the same coin? I have little doubt this a colossal psyop waged against the people, one that was carefully planned and released, by design. The timing seems especially suspect after the failed coup attempt to remove the rogue Administration of POTUS. To be clear I am not suggesting the PTB are merely "exploiting" a good crisis to advance their agenda (who among us really believes in convienent coincidences?) I'm suggesting they created it... Thus far it would seem we plebs are filing right in line and are reacting exactly per the outcome generated by their AI models. That is, the very nature of this virus attacks by design to facilitate the global orchestration of hysteria, fear, lockdown, and eventually ultimate revolution (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24712.htm), NWO, and a boot stamping on a human face forever (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/139439-there-will-be-no-curiosity-no-enjoyment-of-the-process). All said the progenitors of this psyop/attack have deployed a weapon that actually does kill people and which was designed to kill people in such a way to collapse the health systems of the various nation states of the world and the global economy as we know it. In short, it's very real. And it's all a psyop.

To wit:

If I were orchestrating a weapon to deploy against the world population--one that had potential to do all that--what would be the perfect bioweapon? It surely wouldn't be a virus so lethal that the ensuing counter measures would stop it in its tracks well before its masterminds could evoke the global panic necessary to usher in whatever horrendous agenda they had in store. The Georgia Guidestones end game of 500m population comes to mind to me; I'm only speculating here--who the hell knows what the end game agenda is? It could be anything, mandatory vaccinations, chipping the population, etc., but whatever it is, it is clear to me it requires the full submission of the global population to the ruling elite and PTB--such that we chattel are stripped of all our civil liberties and freedoms, and my guess is said agenda is nothing good for us.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting the coronavirus is anywhere near deadly enough to reduce the world population by 90%, but my guess is it is just nasty enough to make a lot of people sick enough to require a hospital bed and just deadly enough to create the panic and fear necessary for the masses of the world to happily submit to whatever draconian system of governance that we empower with the authority to eventually deploy other methods and measures to reduce the world population by 90%. Covid-19 is merely the catalyst.

So... in sum, if I were I tasked to develop such a catalyst I would engineer a rather benign virus, one much more contagious than viruses we humans typically deal with in our everyday environment, say one that lives on surfaces 10x longer than normal, one whose incubation period is 4x the normal incubation period, etc., but one that is only 2x as lethal as a nasty flu virus--say one the vast majority of us would survive without issue. In a few words, I would engineer a virus that facilitates just enough panic and fear to create the very psyop the contrarians are pointing out.

Of course I am only speculating here based on my limited understanding of the varying agendas at play among the power circles that control the world; I could be well off target and hope I am. However, if I'm even remotely on target, I don't know exactly what response We the People should invoke. It seems clear to me we are under attack. How do we defend against this?

[christian]

Have a look at John McAfee's recent twitter threads, most certainly contrarian. Very irreverant. And funny as s**t

In this tweet he compares the deaths from flu in a year (with a rather high estimate) with the deaths from corona in a couple of months. Besides, the world population is approaching 8 billion. I agree with the orchestrated hysteria part though.



[M]y guess is it is just nasty enough to make a lot of people sick enough to require a hospital bed and just deadly enough to create the panic and fear necessary for the masses of the world to happily submit to whatever draconian system of governance that we empower with the authority to eventually deploy other methods and measures to reduce the world population by 90%. Covid-19 is merely the catalyst. […]

In a few words, I would engineer a virus that facilitates just enough panic and fear to create the very psyop the contrarians are pointing out.

My hunch is that you're on the money. As for your question how do we defend against this, I think by embodying exactly the type of energies that you want to see in this world, by anchoring the qualities that you believe will make this world a better place. This psyop is a wave meant to shake us off our feet, pull us in and make us beg for their help. But it's a not so subtle move, which hints at desperation on their side. I believe that, in all of this, standing our ground means winning.

[araucaria]

That German pulmonologist Dr Wolfgang Wodarg (post #1) is qualified to talk about his specialist area in a way that others are not. He is a primary source of information when alternative media personalities are merely secondary sources whose disagreements are of secondary importance. Dr Wodarg makes some interesting points and supplies a few interesting statistics. One interesting point: viruses, he reminds us, HAVE TO MUTATE to survive. My comment – notice, no conspiracies required: conspirators are themselves viral in their behaviour, but here they are surplus to requirements. Viral behaviours mutate in every way possible: e.g. when computers first came on the scene, they soon started catching a string of “viruses”, in the first instance entirely by passing through the brains of human programmers, even though strictly speaking they are mindless. As we know, the inefficacy of vaccines is likely due to vaccinating against last year’s strain. Global conspiracies are the same, and no amount of vaccination seems to work as they keep one step ahead.

The doctor’s stats: the annual “flu” phenomenon always includes a cluster of up to 100 viruses, and coronaviruses invariably account for 7-15% of the mix: nothing new there. Individual patients may have several, so if they die, it is not obvious which virus killed them. Also the background rate of “flu” sufferers is 8-10%, who have a death rate of 1 per 1000.

Here is a personal statistic based on the tiny local sample of just one medical practice. Our doctor said the other day that he had had only 5 flu patients all winter. This would not mean that the background rate has suddenly dropped, but more likely that the severity level dropped: people would still be feeling symptoms, but mild enough not to bother the doctor, knowing in any case that he is not going to be able to do much. The drop in severity would have a double cause: the mild winter we have had and as a result stronger organisms, both making it harder for the virus to do much damage. So here we have a shortage of flu cases, and elsewhere coronavirus cases are being counted separately. It would make sense therefore to see Covid-19 as the flavour of the season and all the stay-at-home cases are likely very mild sufferers not worth reporting themselves. But even if that is not universally applicable, we need to see that flu epidemics, for example, can be reduced on a business-as-usual basis, without actually taking any particular precautions. We know that flu epidemics kill huge numbers, but we don’t know things like on which day the figures rose steeply or began to drop. We might do well to improve our baseline response instead of panicking when things take an unusual turn.

What is happening is that by and large we are getting more sensitive to less stimulus. To understand this, take smoking. We used to bear with smokers everywhere; nowadays people can be indisposed by others in no-smoke areas merely wearing clothes that smell of tobacco. Or take crime: crime is dropping, but reported crime and crime reporting are going up. It seems we have become hypersensitized to winter viruses although they are doing less damage. I really don’t need to hear of each new case worldwide in realtime, unless I work for the WHO. If you do, then you would be like a formerly heavy smoker gasping for a whiff of tobacco.

All the above, and notably the disagreement among alternative media personalities, has relevance to the close context of this forum inasmuch it participates in the epidemic of hearsay, likes and mindless retweets that is drowning us on social media. In defence of his backing of the official story, Bill Ryan has described certain members as being “in DENIAL”, and called out one particular member, a medical doctor by profession, as totally irresponsible. Fortunately, contrarians are allowed to disagree… This is fair enough as a vigorous stance being taken by a responsible forum owner, but problematical when seen in light of a possible enactment of the so-called Anglo-Saxon mission, of which we ordinary folk only have third- or rather fourth-hand information, through an anonymous whistle-blower speaking to Bill Ryan after allegedly overhearing some minor plotters talking about something they allegedly knew about. Remember, Project Avalon is the forum that gave the world “Charles”, Pete Peterson with David Wilcock in tow, and the infamous Corey Goode; a well-meaning site, maybe, but with not the best track record, it must be admitted. Another problematic stance is defending Brexit, which as I have pointed out elsewhere, is clearly an operation staged by the same UK conservatives who were allegedly plotting the Anglo-Saxon mission back whenever, and as such they would be the hidden hand behind this “pandemic” if any such were needed – beyond straightforward incompetent government (I’ll come back to this). Brexit was already a case of self-isolation, by a nation, from a perceived virus, namely Europe. Will it work? It looks highly unlikely.

Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman. I would suggest that anyone plotting against the good of humanity is suffering from some type of viral infection of the brain. This is possibly what was originally meant by the religious concept of original sin. The story of Adam and Eve is a fable of viral infection: Eve is first infected then infects Adam, and together they go on to infect the rest of humanity. The fruit or apple is simply a magnification of this invisible particle being passed around. With the tree of the knowledge of good and evil bearing this forbidden fruit, the knowledge was not forbidden; it was the knowledge that while we are all one, there is this one exception that does not belong and needs to be kept at a distance. Adam and Eve failed to understand the danger. We seem to have reached the stage where enough ignorance of this has put humanity as a whole on the danger list.

This virus is contagious, threatens anyone getting too close, which is why understandably the majority treat conspiracy theory like the plague it is. The problem is that something has to be done about a situation that is only getting worse, notably because many of those tackling it are getting contaminated. If it is a disease to which all are exposed then there is no point criminalizing victims and victims of victims. We need to find a vaccine and a cure, better still become immunized. Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease. Something needs to be done about our leadership, not because they are evil human beings, but because they are infected, which is why they have become increasingly incompetent (see article (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19&p=1341203&viewfull=1#post1341203) “The incompetence pandemic”).
This incompetent leadership is something that has been worsening for a long time now, with every succeeding administration more useless than the outgoing one. It is not so much that bad people are rising to the top as that the top has been definitively infected, and good people rising to the top are inevitably contaminated. Hence not only do ordinary people steer well clear of conspiracy theory, they also give a wide berth to positions of authority, thereby creating a vacuum between us and them which only makes matters worse by disempowering those selfsame people. Until this situation changes, the leadership issue will never be solved.

Understandably then, this inhuman virus is stopping us doing everything we humans need to be doing: living and having a good time together, kissing and shaking hands, looking after our old folks, joining crowds, enjoying sports, entertainment etc. etc. All this is going out of the window until we become immune and get back to the real stuff – or vice versa. Not to be too callous about this, but the people who are dying, mostly very old, maybe it is just that their time had come. We always want to prolong a life, so when we bow to the inevitable it always seems too soon. That is not necessarily so: many old people disagree, to the point of requesting euthanasia. One problem with a pandemic is that even people who would not normally do so are taking an overly negative view of death, when the death rate is 100%, as it has always been, and longevity has never been higher. A little more awareness would reconcile us to the idea that we have a little more control over these things. That is the good that is going to come out of all this. Take the medieval saying “Finis coronat opus” (the end crowns the work): it’s not over until it’s over; so, rather than resigning yourself to an imminent Armageddon, you keep doing whatever you can. No confinement can halt that process.

[Sérénité]

Just sharing some thoughts...
So what if this was a biological weapon?
Implemented in strategic places for maximum effect; China (at Chinese New Year, peak period for incoming/outgoing visitors to China) Italy (during half term when the majority of U.K. and European schools and avid skiers decent on Northern Italy) Iran (needs no explanation!)
The initial people exposed to high, potentially airborne doses get hit hard. High mortality rates. The people they pass it onto also highly exposed. From there down the chain it gets milder.
Some air travel spreads the initial hit of the virus. Meanwhile everyone around the globe with ‘normal’ seasonal flu who is tested with the kit, flags up as a positive. How reliable are the kits...could they just be flagging up any trace of any strain of corona?

China’s economy crashes, shortly followed by the EU.

Worldwide medical martial law is imposed for months, causing further financial turmoil and isolating families and instills fear everywhere. Health services buckle under the strain of having to admit anyone with a cough, leaving the elderly and infirm to die quietly at home as it’s now survival of the fittest in the eyes of the health service priority list. Anyone over 70 is no longer allowed out their homes anyway.

Implement mandatory vaccination, roll in cashless society and so on.

In the meantime the US has deployed a further 20,000 fully kitted out soldiers to join the 10,000 already in Europe, to take part in a ‘war game’ (Red Dawn anyone?!)

The rest we know plays out like a bad Hollywood script, Tom Hanks won’t be staring in it though as he’s self isolated himself and tweeting updates for probably what is a much higher salary than his usual acting jobs.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Is this a drill or the real thing? Is there anything we can actually do other than sit and wait for it to roll out in real time? :silent:

[christian]

Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman.

Maybe viruses were alien to humans at some point.
By now they're an essential part of our genome—and not necessarily a bad part.





Our DNA contains roughly 100,000 pieces of viral DNA. Altogether, they make up about 8 percent of the human genome. And scientists are only starting to figure out what this viral DNA is doing to us. […]

Some of our ancient viruses may be protecting us from disease; others may be raising our risks for cancer, among other conditions. “It’s not an either-or—are these things good or bad? It’s a lot more complicated than that,” Dr. Katzourakis said in an interview. “We’re barely at the beginning of this research.”


Carl Zimmer, New York Times, 4 Oct 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171010044000/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/science/ancient-viruses-dna-genome.html)

[araucaria]

Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman.

Maybe viruses were alien to humans at some point.
By now they're an essential part of our genome—and not necessarily a bad part.





Our DNA contains roughly 100,000 pieces of viral DNA. Altogether, they make up about 8 percent of the human genome. And scientists are only starting to figure out what this viral DNA is doing to us. […]

Some of our ancient viruses may be protecting us from disease; others may be raising our risks for cancer, among other conditions. “It’s not an either-or—are these things good or bad? It’s a lot more complicated than that,” Dr. Katzourakis said in an interview. “We’re barely at the beginning of this research.”


Carl Zimmer, New York Times, 4 Oct 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171010044000/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/science/ancient-viruses-dna-genome.html)
Yes, I guess this is what immunity is all about. We live dangerously in so many diffferent ways and are learning all the time. At the most basic level, there would be no nuclear weapons but for the way energy and matter are intertwined, and it's more of the same all the way up.

[gini]

"Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease."ARAUCARIA
Interesting perspective,brings up a question:If we have the right to die when we choose to die(Euthanasia)do we have than also a humanright to be sick,to go through a proces of catharsis & healing,dont we have the right to make mistakes and experience the consequences,or proof to ourselves we can overcome any kind of obstacle,or is that unsocial,selfish and irresponsable?

[anandacate]

This article is fully referenced. Go to link for full paper; only the text for the Introduction and Conclusion are posted here. For background information, this is an article about David Crowe (http://healthinsightuk.org/2020/02/12/coronavirus-a-reliable-test-is-badly-needed-we-dont-have-one/).

Op-Ed: Does the 2019 Coronavirus Exist?

Originally published on www.theinfectiousmyth.com (http://theinfectiousmyth.com/)

by David Crowe
Does the 2019 Coronavirus Exist?1

Full paper: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

Introduction
The Coronavirus scare that emanated from Wuhan, China in December of 2019 is an epidemic of testing. There is no proof that a virus is being detected by the test and there is absolutely no concern about whether there are a significant number of false positives on the test. What is being published in medical journals is not science, every paper has the goal of enhancing the panic by interpreting the data only in ways that benefit the viral theory, even when the data is confusing or contradictory. In other words, the medical papers are propaganda.

It is also an epidemic by definition. The definition, which assumes perfection from the test, does not have the safety valve that the definition of SARS did, thus the scare can go on until public health officials change the definition or realize that the test is not reliable.

What I learned from studying SARS, the previous big coronavirus scare, after the 2003 epidemic, was that nobody had proved a coronavirus existed, let alone was pathogenic. There was evidence against transmission, and afterwards, negative assessments of the extreme treatments that patients were subjected to, the nucleoside analog antiviral drug Ribavirin, high dose corticosteroids, invasive respiratory assistance, and sometimes oseltamivir (Tamiflu). This is documented in my draft book chapter (mostly complete) that you can find here: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/SARS.pdf

Full paper: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

Conclusions
The coronavirus panic is just that, an irrational panic, based on an unproven RNA test, that has never been connected to a virus. And which won’t be connected to a virus unless the virus is purified. Furthermore, even if the test can detect a novel virus the presence of a virus is not proof that it is the cause of the severe symptoms that some people who test positive experience (but not all who test positive). Finally, even if the test can detect a virus, and it is dangerous, we do not know what the rate of false positives is. And even a 1% false positive rate could produce 100,000 false positive results just in a city the size of Wuhan and could mean that a significant fraction of the positive test results being found are false positives.

The use of powerful drugs because doctors are convinced that they have a particularly potent virus on their hands, especially in older people, with pre-existing health conditions, is likely to lead to many deaths. As with SARS.

There is very little science happening. There is a rush to explain everything that is happening in a way that does not question the viral paradigm, does not question the meaningfulness of test results, and that promotes the use of untested antiviral drugs. And, given enough time there will be a vaccine developed and, for some of the traumatized countries, it may become mandatory, even if developed after the epidemic has disappeared, so that proving that it reduces the risk of developing a positive test will be impossible

[Arcturian108]

Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power

Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

[Bill Ryan]

Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power

Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

[anandacate]

This video goes into the testing aspect of viruses. The entire video (45:57) has some good information. However, for those wishing to save time, at about 17:43 (https://youtu.be/fvqNc4m5oOI?t=1063) Dr. Cowan starts talking specifically about testing.

Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji
fvqNc4m5oOI

[Dennis Leahy]

I may not fit Christian's idea of a contrarian, because I see the covid-19 virus as "weapons-grade", whether or not it really is a bioweapon (which I believe it is.) It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks. (edited to) puts, on average, 5% of covid-19 hospitalized patients in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks. So, I do think there is a dangerous virus.

I had so many (dozens of) emboli in my lungs a couple years ago that no one bothered to count them. When I hear of a virulent pneumonia, well, I'd be stupid not to respect it. I'm not so sure I'd live through it.

But, I do qualify as someone who understands that the world is controlled by mobsters, the mobsters are sociopathic, and at the very least they will "not let a good crisis go to waste" and I fully expect them to use the opportunity to impose their will, gain more control, and (at the top of the food chain, at least) to somehow make money on it too.

Lower on the food chain, some individual corporations and medium and small businesses will take a great hit - some will collapse. Like United and American airlines were hurt by 9/11, so if there is a global-sized nefarious agenda, it wasn't planned by those near the bottom of the corporate pyramid/Global Corporate Network.

The US saw draconian anti-citizen legislation getting jammed down our throats after 9/11. I fully expect the same with this. I'm also watching Israel, the masters of the art of slow-motion genocide, to create an offensive during this. Watching what Trump and his military handlers do to Iran, Venezuela, and Syria too.

The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.

{edit} I misquoted a stat. I said "puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks" and that is incorrect, a mental transposition error on my part. I should have said "puts, on average, 5% of covid-19 hospitalized patients in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks", or even better would have been to say, "a large enough number of patients need ICU-level care for 2 to 3 weeks, potentially overwhelming hospitals and staff." The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist.

[Caliban]

The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.

Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.

[araucaria]

"Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease."ARAUCARIA
Interesting perspective,brings up a question:If we have the right to die when we choose to die(Euthanasia)do we have than also a humanright to be sick,to go through a proces of catharsis & healing,dont we have the right to make mistakes and experience the consequences,or proof to ourselves we can overcome any kind of obstacle,or is that unsocial,selfish and irresponsable?
The question of right and wrong is a fascinating one. Let’s say we are playing a game with no rules, we make some up as we go along to make the game more interesting. To begin with, anything goes. You can use a hammer on a screw, but if you use a screwdriver as a hammer a few times, that’s the end of the screwdriver. So you learn not to do that. Over a lifetime, a DIY beginner will begin to do some things like a pro. Life on earth is rather similar: people get damaged by misuse, and you learn to take a little care, because it works both ways. Karma is just a fancy word for that. Ending your own life is not verboten, but just think about its effect on others.

In some areas, or some periods, humanity generally operates like a bunch of pros. But when there are too many beginners – and pros are not necessarily good teachers – lessons don’t get learnt and most of all, the job, whatever it is, doesn’t get done. To tie in with what I was saying earlier: there is not enough leadership. And what leaders we have are not sufficiently enabled. So the threshold we are aiming for is when good teachers come forward, enough of the beginners get up to speed, and the leadership crisis disappears.

[Bill Ryan]

The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.

Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.Well, just a note here. We're using a simple phrase: "healthcare collapse".

But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die), and many intensive care patients do as well, not to even count those who can't even get to any hospital even though critically ill because there are no beds — whatever their personal crisis is. (Heart attack, stroke, car accident, appendicitis.)

It's about flattening the curve, so that these individual health emergencies don't all happen at once in a huge all-at-the-same-time tsunami wave that breaks the system.

All authorities, everywhere, want to minimize the probability of a system breakdown. So would any compassionate person reading this, if they had the decision-making capacity to do so.

[araucaria]

This video goes into the testing aspect of viruses. The entire video (45:57) has some good information. However, for those wishing to save time, at about 17:43 (https://youtu.be/fvqNc4m5oOI?t=1063) Dr. Cowan starts talking specifically about testing.

Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji
fvqNc4m5oOI
Thank you for this. Those in a real hurry can begin at 44'! :)

[DaveToo]

But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die)...

Might be being used as pawns much the same way the first responders were on 9/11.

[Bill Ryan]

But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die)...

Might be being used as pawns much the same way the first responders were on 9/11.Yes, of course.

[Dennis Leahy]

The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.

Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.Well, just a note here. We're using a simple phrase: "healthcare collapse".

But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die), and many intensive care patients do as well, not to even count those who can't even get to any hospital even though critically ill because there are no beds — whatever their personal crisis is. (Heart attack, stroke, car accident, appendicitis.)

It's about flattening the curve, so that these individual health emergencies don't all happen at once in a huge all-at-the-same-time tsunami wave that breaks the system.

All authorities, everywhere, want to minimize the probability of a system breakdown. So would any compassionate person reading this, if they had the decision-making capacity to do so.

Yeah, Bill, the healthcare industry isn't going to permanently collapse even if most of the healthcare workers died. That's a good distinction. "Hospital and hospital worker collapse" and the disruption of money flowing upward would be temporary. It is too important a cash cow (and essential service) to allow permanent collapse.

"all authorities everywhere" and "any compassionate person" don't describe the same people. (Not that you said they do.) I'd say the average world leader attempting to slow the contagion is making a nationalist defensive move but it is knowing that if they don't and it does overwhelm their national hospital system, they could lose power. I just can't think of any compassionate leaders of major nations. Maybe some are savvy enough to know this is a bioweapon, and the only chance to not overwhelm the hospitals and staff is to make it move more slowly through the population. To me, that is strategic but likely nothing to do with compassion. (I'm pretty jaded, having grown up "American." Maybe all world leaders are not sociopathic mobsters like the US has been all my life, or at least the last 57 years when it has been overt. Like, maybe the King and Prime Minister of Norway are good guys and I'm lumping them in with sociopaths. The US's first moves were to protect the stock market, not the hospitals and healthcare workers, and not the citizens. In fact, in the US, as of March 16th, hasn't it been pretty much businesses, schools, and States, and not the US federal government, that have performed action? <---and as I write those words, basically encouraging official restriction on citizens as prudent, I shudder, knowing the officials doing the restricting are bad guys.)

{edit, to add:}
Hopefully, what is above expands on what you were asking me to expand upon, Caliban.

[EFO]

Debz Buller

Star Teachers' Response to COVID 19
(36:44 min.)
"The Teachers give some clarity about the COVID 19 phenomenon, as well as what humanity, and the planet, are currently experiencing.

Remember, with each Star Teacher transmission, each listener becomes infused with energetic information to help unlock and enable dormant DNA structures and functions, integration of complex and high-level information, healing and balancing support. Listen often, share with others!

Much Love, Deepest Gratitude, and In Lak'ech (I am another YOU)."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCi6hnelgUQ&feature=youtu.be

Think of it.

[Bill Ryan]

To me, that is strategic but likely nothing to do with compassion. I understand! Many years ago, when the law was passed to make motorcycle helmets compulsory in the UK (I never used to wear one), I was really angry — because I knew the reason for the law wasn't any kind of personal empathic care for bikers to avoid injury, but an economic one to save on hospital costs. In so many ways, every one of us is merely an economic statistic.

[David Trd1]

Just sharing some thoughts...
So what if this was a biological weapon?
Implemented in strategic places for maximum effect; China (at Chinese New Year, peak period for incoming/outgoing visitors to China) Italy (during half term when the majority of U.K. and European schools and avid skiers decent on Northern Italy) Iran (needs no explanation!)
The initial people exposed to high, potentially airborne doses get hit hard. High mortality rates. The people they pass it onto also highly exposed. From there down the chain it gets milder.
Some air travel spreads the initial hit of the virus. Meanwhile everyone around the globe with ‘normal’ seasonal flu who is tested with the kit, flags up as a positive. How reliable are the kits...could they just be flagging up any trace of any strain of corona?

China’s economy crashes, shortly followed by the EU.

Worldwide medical martial law is imposed for months, causing further financial turmoil and isolating families and instills fear everywhere. Health services buckle under the strain of having to admit anyone with a cough, leaving the elderly and infirm to die quietly at home as it’s now survival of the fittest in the eyes of the health service priority list. Anyone over 70 is no longer allowed out their homes anyway.

Implement mandatory vaccination, roll in cashless society and so on.

In the meantime the US has deployed a further 20,000 fully kitted out soldiers to join the 10,000 already in Europe, to take part in a ‘war game’ (Red Dawn anyone?!)

The rest we know plays out like a bad Hollywood script, Tom Hanks won’t be staring in it though as he’s self isolated himself and tweeting updates for probably what is a much higher salary than his usual acting jobs.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Is this a drill or the real thing? Is there anything we can actually do other than sit and wait for it to roll out in real time? :silent:

I feel like your on the money with these observations....

[David Trd1]

The US saw draconian anti-citizen legislation getting jammed down our throats after 9/11. I fully expect the same with this. .

I would say this is the central outcome on the governmental side of all of this, pan-planet.

[Pam]

Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power

Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf


My big question about this being orchestrated is how would a government like China cooperate, unless of course they are just stooges in the orchestration?

[Sérénité]

Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power

Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf


My big question about this being orchestrated is how would a government like China cooperate, unless of course they are just stooges in the orchestration?

I may be totally off the mark, but my gut feeling tells me China probably wasn’t a willing party to this. Maybe they could have got offered a deal of saving their economy from ruin after lockdown if they wiped out the US debt.
China also gets the opportunity to run with its Orwellian wishes, a great excuse to get its citizens mandatory vaccines/micro chips/cashless biometric society up and running.

[Ratszinger]

I see the healthcare system here already adapting and contacting people to let them know of the changes they've made. My next appointment will be carried out entirely over the net between me and my doctor and nurse and they've already contacted me to reschedule the appointment taking care of my annual prescription refills and letting me do the urine sample in a cup leaving it at the drop box outside the building where I don't even have to contact or touch anything but my own car controls. They've cut their normal fee in half and already rescheduled my next. appt. to be carried out the same way.

I have my oncologists personal number and can video chat with him anywhere from London where he lives to the USA where he works and have done so hardly seeing him in person anymore at all. I will say I am glad I finished my radiation treatments when I did and can now camp out. I was done and no longer visiting the hospitals frequently as of the 27th last month. So far no one in my county is sick and I have to say I don't know anyone that is sick, and they don't know anyone that is sick either. I ask everyone.

Also, maybe it's because I grew up in West Virginia I don't know but I just spread mayo on my bacon, egg, lettuce and tomato sandwich using the spey blade of my 44 year old trapper knife I've had as a kid. I used the spey blade. What has that got to do with anything you say? Well, that is the same blade I used as a kid to gut and skin squirrel with, to castrate bulls, dig around on the ground with, loan to people and so on! I was trying to tell the wife I wanted to do lock down like the prez said and she pointed out to me how she just witnessed me take that knife out of my pocket and use it and I'm worried about a virus? She is right you know? I've done this all my life with little concern and its not like I don't keep the blade clean but you know what I'm saying>flora and fauna! It keeps us strong! Worry and concern is the worst enemy because it leads to making yourself sick and in my experience the people prone to doing that in normal times are going to be doing it now only now it's got a big spot light on each one of them when it happens because someone at the top handed down the order.

You know as well as I do that all these changes for our "SAFETY" and what it leads to later, IE, "YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!" do not leave after they are instigated. Once the crisis dies off those changes will stay in place and in society at large the SS will once more live and walk among us! Soon everyone in every city will be dealing with a FINK in their own towns!! FIRM INTERCONNECTED NAZI (C)KOMMANDANTS in a police state! Welcome to the NWO!

[Chester]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number (the percentage) is significantly lower.

[Dennis Leahy]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number is significantly lower.
Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.

[Bill Ryan]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number is significantly lower.
Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.I'd welcome formal stats, as well. :thumbsup: But as best I understand, 20% are hospitalized (not the same as being in intensive care), and 5% (i.e. a quarter of that 20%) are in ICU.

And yes, it's often 2-3 weeks in intensive care, and (I believe) also often the same length of time if they're 'merely' hospitalized.

Whichsver is the case, it's the beds (and personal and specialist resources) that are fully taken up that's the logjam problem.

[Philippe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

Subtitles for French speakers :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh1T4c3wP8I&feature=youtu.be

Rudolf Steiner and the electrification of earth.


The included discourse is creating quite a stir in its comment section because it denies the nature of what is a virus. I put this on the Contrarian thread so as not to overload the threads with valuable advice and orientation in the crisis.

One can only wonder what is the nature of a virus that is so contagious and so lethal. Are the criminal scientists really capable of developing such novel dangerous infection ? Or is the real cause the entering in a new era of dangerous electromagnetic waves (5G, 4G, etc) attacking an already weakened immune system by grave pollution? The Spanish Flew coinciding with the electrification of the world is a reference for this theory. And those that counter it telling that there was already the Black Plague are corrected by pointing out that it was caused by a bacteria ...

This discourse is not long. Pay attention to the quote by Rudolf Steiner at the end !

Edit: To listen at your own discretion. Persons who have studied virus in laboratory are capable to explain that virus can multiply or not independently from a human cell. That would then end the theory of Steiner that the virus is only an excrement. On the other hand the description of the different developments of electromagnetic systems that coincide with epidemics are to be taken very seriously. Also how epidemics erupted quasi simultaneously in distant places without much possibility of contamination. Eruption of such novel graver disease after increasing the wireless capacity is no coincidence for me. Stop 5G now!

[Chester]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number is significantly lower.
Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.

Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -


It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.

My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami (https://www.foxnews.com/media/miami-mayor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-without-experiencing-symptoms).

Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

[EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."

[Dennis Leahy]

I really don't want to go back and hunt through (re-watch) all the Chris Martenson videos, but I believe that is where I first picked up that stat. If I misstated it (and I and everyone appreciates a correction), then my thought is that what I missed is that it's 20% of hospital admissions for covid-19 that require ICU-level care (which actually makes more sense.)

I'll look at a couple of other written sources that I read, and see if the number I used was quoted or mis-quoted. However, please bear in mind that the statement being parsed is actually some sort of a mathematical representation that says this particular virus can overwhelm hospitals and hospital staff because a significant number of patients need ICU-level care, and the number of available ICU-level beds is inadequate to handle the number of patients that need that level of care.

[Bill Ryan]

Quoting the CNN report just 10 mins ago. (Not the original source, which wasn't given.)


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-17-20-intl-hnk/index.html

~~~
Italy announced 3,526 new cases of the novel coronavirus today, bringing the country's total to 31,506, according to Angelo Borreli, chief of the Italian Civil Protection Department.

There were also 345 more deaths recorded today, bringing the total number of coronavirus deaths in Italy to 2,503, Borrelli said.

Here's what else Borrelli said:


192 more people recovered from the virus Tuesday.
There are 1,108 people in isolation with light or no symptoms
2,060 are in intensive care (10% of the cases)

[Chester]

[A note about this post - this post is presented by a US based individual from the perspective of a US individual who is currently residing in the US and assumes he will be remaining within the US for some time as this person is experiencing a.) media reports and b.) what official government sources are presenting.]

I never imagined I would see the day where I could, with high confidence, say the following -

Specifically with regards to COVID-19, I am finding (and thus relying upon) the reports presented by authorized US government officials is by far more honest, accurate and later substantiated as having been reasonably or greatly accurate than just about everything coming from the corporate controlled media - emphasis on far more. In addition, what is being clearly controlled by social media including the mainstream search engines, is clearly over-hyping far, far more than any potential under-hyping (if any) of the health danger of the virus in light of the measures so far taken and new measures on the table to be taken.

In addition to information strictly about COVID-19 and perhaps even more life impacting than the actual virus (I think it most certainly is more broadly impacting by significant degrees, is the information related to the financial impact of the virus.

I emphasize that I believe history will look back upon the financial panic and state that the financial reactions were greatly overdone. And will say that the significant fault for such can be lain at the feet of the corporate "mainstream" media's reporting and by the role played by social media in how reports that exaggerate or fabricate reality or who manipulate the vulnerability of the of many "to believe their greater fears" were pushed through and most "contrarian" views/information was filtered out.

[Chester]

Quoting the CNN report just 10 mins ago. (Not the original source, which wasn't given.)


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-17-20-intl-hnk/index.html

~~~
Italy announced 3,526 new cases of the novel coronavirus today, bringing the country's total to 31,506, according to Angelo Borreli, chief of the Italian Civil Protection Department.

There were also 345 more deaths recorded today, bringing the total number of coronavirus deaths in Italy to 2,503, Borrelli said.

Here's what else Borrelli said:


192 more people recovered from the virus Tuesday.
There are 1,108 people in isolation with light or no symptoms
2,060 are in intensive care (10% of the cases)



So if actual infections are 2 times what is known, that 10% number becomes 5%. If it is 5 times greater (quite possible) then that number is 2%. What can be surmised with great confidence is that there is no one in intensive care that has COVID-19 that is not known to have the virus.

In addition, Italy is the extreme case on the entire planet and from two important directions - One, Italy has the second (maybe the first) oldest population based on multiple reports. In addition, Italy had dramatically large, direct insertion of the virus via China (just like Iran) of all nations on the planet in the early stages of the virus outside of China.

I will add the following... the projected mortality rate is around 1% (many say less) - this is 10 times higher than the conventional flu. But it is 800% lower than the mortality rate in Italy based on the current numbers of 31,506 known cases and 2,503 deaths). This suggests two things... the number of actual cases is likely far higher than the known (albeit, due to the average age of the population), not 8 times higher.

The South Korea mortality rate is less than 1% of known cases.

The US mortality rate is currently 1.75% (and has been dropping for the last few weeks, since the Johns Hopkins site went online).

[Chester]

Note that reports out of South Korea are that of the 250,000 tests they did, only 8,000 tested positive by the way. That is about a 3.2% infection rate. (NPR is the media source (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/13/815441078/south-koreas-drive-through-testing-for-coronavirus-is-fast-and-free)as of March 13, 2020)

[Dennis Leahy]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number is significantly lower.
Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.

Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -


It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.

My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami (https://www.foxnews.com/media/miami-mayor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-without-experiencing-symptoms).

Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

[EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."

I agree that I misquoted the stat. Thanks for pointing out my error. One of my sources was this (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca) article, which actually said:


"What Will Be the Pressure on the System

Around 20% of cases require hospitalization, 5% of cases require the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), and around 2.5% require very intensive help (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032), with items such as ventilators or ECMO (extra-corporeal oxygenation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygenation))."

I'll go back and edit the post where I misquoted the stat.

Note that, logically, populations with a more elderly population and a population with greater than average major pre-existing conditions, are going to have a higher percentage of patients needing ICU-level care compared to the average percentage.

The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist. If the gist is wrong, covid-19 doesn't have the power to overwhelm hospitals, and slowing the spread is moot.

[Mari]

I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

I believe that the number is significantly lower.
Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.

Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -


It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.

My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami (https://www.foxnews.com/media/miami-mayor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-without-experiencing-symptoms).

Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

[EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."


Well, I suppose John Rappoport' s latest take on Italy is a refreshing change from the 'we're all gonna die'! scenario. The last few paragraphs made me laugh....for a change!

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/17/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out/

[Philippe]

well, i suppose john rappoport's latest take on italy is a refreshing change from the 'we're all gonna die'! Scenario. The last few paragraphs made me laugh....for a change!

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/17/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/17/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out/)
....
:rofl:

[Chester]

The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist. If the gist is wrong, covid-19 doesn't have the power to overwhelm hospitals, and slowing the spread is moot.

[Again, a US-centric response below - but what is posted should apply to how each government may respond.]

So the the avoidance, or not or what could become a disaster depends on three things, 1.) successful efforts at mitigation (emphasizing the word, successful - and we probably cannot make a judgment until after the curve reverses) and 2.) successful implementation of plans to add effective hospital level facilities in the areas of the country they are more likely needed such as Washington, California and New York (as of this moment)... hospital level facilities that range from from ICU to less urgent "protected care." In addition, 3.) there will have to be a successful effort to protect all the healthcare providers.

And so it cannot be emphasized enough how critical will be the actually delivery of the American people in adhering as best they can to the guidelines put in place by the President and his team yesterday -

42791

And the goal is the following -

42792

[waves]

I really don't get the parrot posting without caveat here, therefore implying agreement or certainty, especially in a supposedly discerning forum.

Y'all.... THERE IS NO ACCURATE TEST. So it's impossible any tested 'stats' are true!

That makes any and all 'stats' just made up numbers to continue to justify this psyop which of course is rampant with lies. Proof of no possible test accuracy was explained by the two doctors in the previously posted Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvqNc4m5oOI) video who clearly explained in plain english the real medical world standards/requirements for accuracy and what the presence of 'antibodies' at this stage really signifies...... NOTHING.

I learned that all healthy humans at all times naturally have millions of particles regarded as virus in even just our mouths that our immune system is constantly kicking out antibodies for. What makes any test right now invalid is the lack of having defined the super specific antibody required for accuracy.

But, even if you haven't watched that video, WHY WHY WHY ARE YOU REPEATERS PARROTING and REACTING TO 'stats' - from the cabal owned system of 1000's of parrots - THAT YOU HAVE NO POSSIBLE WAY OF VERIFYING AS TRUE?


~~~~~~~~~~~~This disinfo parroting IS HELPING MAKE THINGS WORSE.~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

[Chester]

I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.

[waves]

I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.


That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.

[Chester]

I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.


That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.

It is sometimes hard to know what is a joke or not when it is written. I didn't include the rest of your post as it was irrelevant to that last line. If you were joking, apologies I took the comment seriously.

[waves]

I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.


That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.

It is sometimes hard to know what is a joke or not when it is written. I didn't include the rest of your post as it was irrelevant to that last line. If you were joking, apologies I took the comment seriously.

Ya, having no way to write with the 'inflection' speech implies creates loads of misinterpretation. It's revealing however how different people interpret the same written words.
I have to disagree however about what was 'irrelevant'. The exaggerated line had everything to do with the point of the post - wishing people would say 'supposedly' when something is not verifiable and has all the earmarks of disinfo.

[Chester]

From one of the corporate controlled media companies - News Corp (the same one that owns FOX News) -

86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says
(https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/)

The cited study is from this source - AAAS (https://www.aaas.org/?_ga=2.120224072.1537306178.1584484547-1556401900.1584484547) (The American Association for the Advancement of Science) -

Substantial undocumented infection facilitates the rapid dissemination of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV2) (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221)

Abstract

Estimation of the prevalence and contagiousness of undocumented novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV2) infections is critical for understanding the overall prevalence and pandemic potential of this disease. Here we use observations of reported infection within China, in conjunction with mobility data, a networked dynamic metapopulation model and Bayesian inference, to infer critical epidemiological characteristics associated with SARS-CoV2, including the fraction of undocumented infections and their contagiousness. We estimate 86% of all infections were undocumented (95% CI: [82%–90%]) prior to 23 January 2020 travel restrictions. Per person, the transmission rate of undocumented infections was 55% of documented infections ([46%–62%]), yet, due to their greater numbers, undocumented infections were the infection source for 79% of documented cases. These findings explain the rapid geographic spread of SARS-CoV2 and indicate containment of this virus will be particularly challenging.

Read the rest here (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221)

Note to all readers - you are responsible for how you interpret the information

[waves]

Don’t Catch the Moronavirus!
March 17, 2020 Kyle Hunt

Moronavirus is an infectious disease mainly affecting dupes and low-IQ individuals who have lost critical thinking abilities. It turns otherwise decent people into dangerous carriers of disinformation.

Moronavirus appears to be highly contagious. It is being spread over TV and internet communications, and it is running rampant through both the mainstream and alternative media.

Due to the the number of “truthers” on the internet who appear to have the disease, it appears that the Moronavirus is actually an engineered weapon of a highly complex parasite, and it is being spread by the parasite’s drones.

Symptoms include:

Believing the bull**** being spewed from 100% jewish owned media monopoly
Cheering as ZOG shuts down everything.
Advocating for “social distancing” and self-quarantining.
Chastising and shaming people who don’t agree.
Trusting the medical and pharmaceutical industry to help us stay healthy.
Waiting for Israel to release the vaccine they have been working on for years.
Thinking a surgical mask is a life saver.
Selective amnesia regarding recent “pandemics”.

If you or a loved one catches the Moronavirus, slap them across the face with the number of Americans who die from flu every year.
It probably won’t work, but it’s worth a shot anyway.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncChNKBY/tvmoron.jpg
Note to all readers - you are responsible for how you interpret the information.

[Chester]

Note to all readers - you are responsible for how you interpret the information.

Wise recommendation!

[Chester]

I have to disagree however about what was 'irrelevant'. The exaggerated line had everything to do with the point of the post - wishing people would say 'supposedly' when something is not verifiable and has all the earmarks of disinfo.

You just proved a perfect example of misintepreting the words. The irrelevant aspect of your post was in relation to the very thing you called "an exaggeration for a joke." Meaning the part I left out was NOT considered as unpost worthy. My comment was all and only based upon what I quoted... leaving it out was because it was irrelevant to what I commented upon. Hopefully this is clear and if not, perhaps this should be taken up via PM.

[ErtheVessel]

I'm finding the current media mind control and propaganda steering to be unprecedented. I am alarmed more than anything by the seeming eagerness with which the average citizen has bought into this scripted panic. I live in a county in California where we are now on formal "Shelter in Place" orders. All restaurants, shops, malls, libraries, etc. are closed. The only stores allowed to continue to operate are those that provide "necessary" items/services: food and groceries, cleaning supplies, gas stations, laundromats, post office, etc. If I go out for a walk, I have to go by myself. Unbelievable.

And I don't know a single person who is sick. I don't even know anybody who knows anybody who is sick.

I am convinced we are massively being played. I imagine "them" sitting in their control rooms, gleefully rubbing their hands together and saying, "Let's see what they'll do if we announce a world-wide deadly pandemic and confuse them with conflicting data and encourage them not to panic but then tell them all the reasons they should panic." "Cognitive dissonance! What fun! Watch them scurry about and fight for the last rolls of toilet paper! They are now ripe for final assimilation! Let's roll in the medical police state quickly before they start to notice how ridiculous the whole thing is..."

I don't mean to be hard-hearted and I'm not saying people are not getting sick and are not dying. I am deeply sorry for those who are suffering. I just refuse to buy into the phony script that is currently being forced down my throat.

Here's an article by Jon Rappoport (different from the one posted above). Caveat Emptor, however; it bothers me that he frequently makes sweeping statements in his articles but doesn't back any of it up with references. For instance, I'd like to see his sources on the PCR test. Nevertheless, I think what he has to say here is perhaps useful.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/15/how-many-people-have-coronavirus/

Also, here is a YouTube video of Dr. Pamela Popper, who does not believe the pandemic status of the virus. If you take a look at her channel, she seems to be a pretty non-traditional doctor, so I'm not surprised. A friend who is more familiar with Dr. Popper's channel forwarded this to me. The video is a week old, but she has not made any further comments about Covid-19, so I assume she stands by her comments to date.

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[earthdreamer]

Watch for the slogan “Flatten the Curve” to get everyone on board with the “social distancing” and “self isolation” mandate. It is really sad that human touch will become radical. Questioning the veracity of testing on the mainstream news would be shocking.

I’m so jaded that I can hardly believe the story of the Utah Jazz basketball player who initially joked about the virus panic by touching the microphone and then became an asymptomatic virus positive. That is just too perfect a message correction. NBA is a huge propaganda platform for “Flattening the Curve”. Go team!

I take the threat of pneumonia seriously. Massive psyop is also a serious threat to humanity. Grateful to Avalon for the space to “question the narrative”.

[christian]

Thanks for all the input! I'm still catching up on reading, on page 3 now, I was very busy the last days.

This is an interview I did two days ago with a renowned virologist, a lovely lady and very caring, and yet the state media in Germany vilifies her for her comments on corona, when all she says is take precautions, but don't put people in chains.

(with English subtitles)

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[christian]

waves, I honestly appreciate your input, but I also wanna share some criticism and suggestions.

Please avoid the ALLCAPS shouting. And remember that it's very hard to detect sarcasm or irony on an online forum, where people can't see each others' faces and usually don't know each other personally. So for the sake of peace, please be careful with this.

Regarding the germ theory, I can see that there is a mainstream majority view and there are contrarians. Let's just not force a consensus here and let's consider both sides of the germ theory in regard to corona. Let's not derail the conversation into whether or not germ theory is valid, this is another topic.

I also specifically wanna address these two bullet points that you posted regarding symptoms for the "moronavirus."


Believing the bull**** being spewed from 100% jewish owned media monopoly

I don't condone any sort of demonization based on religion, race, gender etc. In my opinion, it's not OK to vilify Jews, just like it's not OK to vilify Muslims, Christians, blacks, whites, men, women, etc.


Advocating for “social distancing” and self-quarantining.

I personally believe that "social distancing" works, because certain diseases are transmitted via contact, including influenza-like illnesses such as COVID-19, from what I can see. We just gotta be careful, however, that social distancing doesn't cause lasting damage to human bonding.

[Chester]

This is an interview I did two days ago with a renowned virologist, a lovely lady and very caring, and yet the state media in Germany vilifies her for her comments on corona, when all she says is take precautions, but don't put people in chains.
(with English subtitles)


Thank you, greatly, for sharing the interview and doing the English sub-titles.

One advice provided by Dr. Karin Mölling is her emphasis that we get as much good sun as possible. The natural D3 from the sun has a widely agreed positive reputation for combating the virus.

[petra]

We all are in deep s***t today because of one fundamental reason and one reason only. The predominant species on this planet is not human with a brain. The vast majority is stupid cattle in a human shape. People like David Icke and a number of others have been trying hard for decades to educate the cattle. But the undeniable fact is that the cattle is not educatable and cannot register. Don't they say you can't teach a pig to sing....
A few days ago I attended a cultural event with 180-200 attendees; were present consuls and ambassadors from many countries, lawyers, doctors, etc.... When introducing myself I tried to shake hands, but no, no one wanted to shake hands. It is elbow to elbow contact now, and these idiots were laughing, smiling and proud of it.
A friend of mine was telling me a few days ago that he was on the train on his way to work and the train was packed as usual. He sneezed, and people started distancing themselves from him. Today it's okay to fart in public but sneezing or coughing is not okay.
Cattle is as cattle does.

I'm getting mad too, but it's not the sheeple that are making me mad - it's the "fear factor"
The more people get afraid.... the more pissed off I am getting (that's what it seems like anyway)
When I heard rumours of old people in Italy euthanizing themselves to slow the spread, I saw a bit of red!!

[araucaria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

Subtitles for French speakers :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh1T4c3wP8I&feature=youtu.be

Rudolf Steiner and the electrification of earth.


The included discourse is creating quite a stir in its comment section because it denies the nature of what is a virus. I put this on the Contrarian thread so as not to overload the threads with valuable advice and orientation in the crisis.

One can only wonder what is the nature of a virus that is so contagious and so lethal. Are the criminal scientists really capable of developing such novel dangerous infection ? Or is the real cause the entering in a new era of dangerous electromagnetic waves (5G, 4G, etc) attacking an already weakened immune system by grave pollution? The Spanish Flew coinciding with the electrification of the world is a reference for this theory. And those that counter it telling that there was already the Black Plague are corrected by pointing out that it was caused by a bacteria ...

This discourse is not long. Pay attention to the quote by Rudolf Steiner at the end !

Edit: To listen at your own discretion. Persons who have studied virus in laboratory are capable to explain that virus can multiply or not independently from a human cell. That would then end the theory of Steiner that the virus is only an excrement. On the other hand the description of the different developments of electromagnetic systems that coincide with epidemics are to be taken very seriously. Also how epidemics erupted quasi simultaneously in distant places without much possibility of contamination. Eruption of such novel graver disease after increasing the wireless capacity is no coincidence for me. Stop 5G now!
NB: as we enter confinement here in France, I have 2 printers that don’t work. One won’t print in black because I am out of magenta (and the cartridge is obsolete), the other won’t print in black because the black cartridges I bought don’t override the fact that I am out of yellow. Everything is connected. Meantime this post would have been clearer if I had been able to print it out first, in any colour. My apologies.


This is the guy, Thomas Cowan MD, quoted earlier in the thread (post #26). To sum up, he says:
- Viruses are bits of junk, i.e. toxins excreted by an organism that has been poisoned.
- The virus is not very contagious. Expectorations from afflicted patients will not transmit the disease to – was it animals? Or even humans? I’m not quite sure. Also the virus spread too far too quickly (needs checking).
- Poisoning is taking place at a planetary level. This places the contagion at a higher level. To clarify: sunburn is not contagious, but if you and I are both sunburnt on the same day, it might very well be because we were both sunbathing in the same weather.
- The source of poisoning is electrical in nature. The Spanish flu of 1918 was caused by the generalization of electricity. Later causes were radar, radiowaves, and now 5G satellites etc. We are made of water: water crystals are vulnerable to a deteriorating field, especially through metal in the body. (Sounds a bit like putting metal in a microwave oven: don’t!)
- Electrical/electronics workers are particularly vulnerable.
- The doctor recommends good diet, no wireless devices, fresh air, plenty of sleep, loving friends-relations-family, good food, good works. Paraphrasing, back in 1918 Rudolf Steiner said, before electrical influence, “it was easier to be human”; and since then we have needed “much stronger spiritual capacities” to stay human.

This seems fairly scientific, if we get past the fact that the proposed remedy follows medicine out of the chemical-based era into holistic health care. It is backed by the observational evidence that electrical/electronics workers are particularly vulnerable. It predicts that people with metal in them (prostheses) will suffer more than others: that is falsifiable. The standard model predicts more old people will die; but the two things are not incompatible, old people will be more into heavy metal, it is just not their age or other ailments. Arthritis does not cause heart attacks (although it might break your neck in the stairs). On the other hand, he does let slip that being exposed to other people’s viruses is not a good idea, so I would allow for an element of contagion too. Also, others are saying that many of these victims are dying of other causes anyway, so the figures may be hugely inflated – or rather conflated.

Speaking however as a mere layman, what I am interested in is the end of the outbreak. The two types of epidemic (interpersonal and global) should lead to different interpretations – the good news is that they don’t. Meaning that the wrong prescription based on the wrong diagnosis might actually work. Bear with me, this will take a little explaining.

A viral flu bug-type epidemic will fizzle out when enough people keep away from each other for long enough. Or when the virus mutates to a less lethal strain. This reportedly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu)happened “extremely rapidly” in 1918: “This is a common occurrence with influenza viruses: there is a tendency for pathogenic viruses to become less lethal with time, as the hosts of more dangerous strains tend to die out”.


The outbreak ended when everyone the virus could kill was dead, and the others recovered in their own good time, many of them having been immunized by a weaker strain that came before the lethal one. Apparently the doctors didn’t do much to help; they didn’t know much about viruses back then, and there is still a good deal that they don’t know yet.


However, the same Wiki article also says this:

a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu I would add that the surplus deaths among healthy young people might be explainable in terms of the war they were busy fighting at the time… In other words, the viral pandemic was overhyped. Lots of people died in short order, for myriad reasons, and they were lumped together.

But the key element with the 1918 outbreak is that the CAUSE (mains electricity) did not go away: nor did anyone want it to. So people must have adapted to it, somehow raised their game. You see this in sports: the first Marathon literally killed that Greek Pheidippides; we don’t know how long he took. But nowadays thousands of people are doing under three hours on a regular basis, almost during their lunch break. Coronavirus victims are recovering in large numbers now, mostly spontaneously it would seem. How? Because we are being poisoned in all sorts of ways, and there is only so much we can take. For those who are dying, the virus (or maybe something else) is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Those who are recovering presumably have enough in the bank to bear what is coming at us all. It may be that the survivors of 1918 had less of all the other poisoning of the day: mercury poisoning from syphilis cures, lead poisoning from mains water pipes, smog from coal fires, perhaps disease from horse manure in the streets and later car exhaust fumes, poor sanitation and hygiene, still primitive medicine, the stress of world war. Put like that, it sounds like many people were pretty unhealthy anyway. We all die anyway, some just a little prematurely. The doctor points out that Wuhan was ahead of the curve for 5G. Sure. But on top of that, like all Chinese cities, it has the worst air pollution on the planet. I think both factors have to be taken into account. If you are going to conflate victims under one disease, the you perhaps need to conflate the contributory factors too, in order to explain something so serious as a pandemic.


The alternative media have been saying for years, something’s gotta give. Well something’s giving bigtime, don’t tell me it is still part of the global conspiracy. If you are outside of it, then you are outside: so the conspiracy is not all-powerful. If you are not outside of it, then you are inside, a consenting victim. The global conspiracy meme is the worst poison that we have to overcome because almost on its own it is lethal. Because if all these evils have been toughening us up to have “much stronger spiritual capacities”, then we don’t need to eliminate them, but simply become immune to them – in order to pass on to the next ones.


The fact is that the universe is full of these “evils” that we can’t take. Outer space is still basically unexplorable because it is so “poisonous” – with poisons more sophisticated than any we have been creating and overcoming down here. There’s no air, no water, we would weigh nothing or a ton, it’s not home and there must be evil aliens out there…………..

In other words, humans are evolving in real time – physically, mentally and spiritually. How far can each of us go with this depends on each of us, and also on the help we can give each other. The challenge is then to thrive in an increasingly adverse situation: in this instance of universal house arrest (hundreds of millions of Julian Assanges), all our noblest instincts have to be controlled. Conventional ways of helping others are thrown out of the window: if you show the usual loving attentions to nearest and dearest, you will get in trouble, because the government is operating on the physical plane in a crisis on the basis that it is (almost) in control.

No one seems to be analyzing what positive outcomes this house arrest may achieve. Maybe some toxic behaviours are also being filtered out. For example, regardless what one thinks about “global warming” or pollution, we are seeing in real time how these problems or “problems” can be solved very quickly. Whether it be Greta Thunberg or a climate change scam, this is already beginning to appear so last year. Pollution is certainly part of the problem: if so, the antivirus initiatives seem to be solving that problem without anyone realizing it, since pollution and CO2 levels are collapsing. Or take social media as a poor substitute for real interpersonal relationships. The social media element continues to flourish: what we are missing is the reality of the real physical interaction. That is what we have temporarily lost and will hopefully better appreciate when we get it back. We are not ready to evolve into fully disembodied souls just yet, nor should we be. That’s not what we are here for. One of our greatest poisons is… time. Let’s backtrack a little.

If 5G is so lethal, then one response would be to back-pedal. But history shows that this never happens. 5G is here to stay, just like mains electricity, just like nuclear power, and so on. They have become indispensable. Time’s arrow is almost by definition an absence of U-turns. Everyone who has decided on making a U-turn has to be someplace else by now. As I suggested earlier, the universe is a hostile environment, which is not necessarily a daunting proposition, unless you bite off more than you can chew. You do not show a 20th century piano score to a five-year-old. Even if he is a child prodigy, you give him 18th century Mozart’s easy sonata. When he grows up, he will have time enough to be comfortable with 21st century piano scores.
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This is where it gets a bit crazy. Who is likeliest to stay the course when 5G becomes mainstream? One would think those most comfortable with 4G. Apparently not, otherwise why would electrical/electronics workers be particularly vulnerable? If we are talking about immunity in the sense of exposure, then Houston we have a problem. It brings us back to a debate around the time of the French Revolution when the founder of homeopathy, Samuel Hahnemann (http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hahnemann/similia.htm), opposed the formula “Similia similibus curantur” – like cures like, fight fire with fire – to the conventional principle of allopathic medicine, “Contraria contrariis curantur” – opposites are cured by opposites, e.g. antibiotics, antidepressants, anti this and anti that, and bob’s your uncle :)

Speaking as a layman with medicine as his especially weak subject, it seems to me that vaccination is in fact homeopathic, in other words the type of cure, when the virus finally gives up and mutates, equates with vaccination, curing like with like; only it waits until a subject is ill and cures the ill instead of preventively curing everyone. The virus in a sense has backed off. So any battle between vaccinators and homeopaths to me would be a waste of time. What then can be said about Covid-19, when some are crying out for a vaccine, and others for a cure?

If electrical/electronics workers are particularly vulnerable, then it would appear that like does not cure like in this particular instance: hence allopathic medicine remains mainstream. Before you despair, think through the implications: if opposites are cured by opposites, and the cause is the electrical influence of worldwide electrification all the way to 5G, then the opposite of that would indeed be as described by the good doctor: good diet, no wireless devices, fresh air, sleep, loving friends-relations-family, good food, good works. Paraphrasing Rudolf Steiner back in 1918, before electrical influence, “it was easier to be human”; and since then we have needed “much stronger spiritual capacities” to stay human. The new lesson is that we all do this together. We suffer from a deficit in democracy leading eventually to the bankruptcy of oligarchy. Question: what do we put in its place? Under the present system I for one, and speaking for many, have no aptitude or desire to fill the breach. Fortunately, this is where the democracy of sheer numbers wins out. When physical contact, our normal way of interacting, is shut down, we find alternative ways of staying human – and government will be a part of that package.


What exactly those alternative, non-physical ways will prove to be, we do not know. To quote Churchill in a handwritten PS to a pre-D-Day memo: “don’t argue the matter. The difficulties will argue for themselves.” We can’t argue the matter. We just do it. :)

[Mac]

waves, I honestly appreciate your input, but I also wanna share some criticism and suggestions.

Please avoid the ALLCAPS shouting. And remember that it's very hard to detect sarcasm or irony on an online forum, where people can't see each others' faces and usually don't know each other personally. So for the sake of peace, please be careful with this.

Regarding the germ theory, I can see that there is a mainstream majority view and there are contrarians. Let's just not force a consensus here and let's consider both sides of the germ theory in regard to corona. Let's not derail the conversation into whether or not germ theory is valid, this is another topic.

I also specifically wanna address these two bullet points that you posted regarding symptoms for the "moronavirus."


Believing the bull**** being spewed from 100% jewish owned media monopoly

I don't condone any sort of demonization based on religion, race, gender etc. In my opinion, it's not OK to vilify Jews, just like it's not OK to vilify Muslims, Christians, blacks, whites, men, women, etc.


Advocating for “social distancing” and self-quarantining.

I personally believe that "social distancing" works, because certain diseases are transmitted via contact, including influenza-like illnesses such as COVID-19, from what I can see. We just gotta be careful, however, that social distancing doesn't cause lasting damage to human bonding.
How is he demonising anyone. The media has a history of dishing out propaganda half truths and bull mess and the Jews do own the bulk of it. The white, black, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant etc have a lot to answer for too before you accuse me of demonising anybody in particular, no demographic's hands are clean. I agree with the sentiments posted earlier in the thread, we as a species are moronic cattle at our worst.
Don't play by their rules that's why we are in this mess. It's ok to talk it's chaos and violence that's the enemy not calling out demographics for their weird inhuman tribal views and practices. As for the virus it looks like we are on our own, we'll ride it out as we have done in the past and hopefully we don't lose too many prematurely. Definitely a strange year 2020 so far, almost biblical (eek) 8)

[Luke Holiday]

...Love this thread as it is exposing the truth of what is really going on.... and with the truth - TOGETHER we shall overcome....

I just wanted to share this outstanding - hot off the press - video from London Real featuring the incomparable legend David Icke which summarizes what I have read on this post and what we all can feel to be true... I will be providing a bullet point summary in the next few days...


Blessings Luke

https://www.davidicke.com/article/566033/david-icke-streaming-live-london-real-430pm-gmt. (not sure how embed a the video :)

https://www.davidicke.com/article/566033/david-icke-streaming-live-london-real-430pm-gmt

[christian]

Believing the bull**** being spewed from 100% jewish owned media monopoly

I don't condone any sort of demonization based on religion, race, gender etc. In my opinion, it's not OK to vilify Jews, just like it's not OK to vilify Muslims, Christians, blacks, whites, men, women, etc.

How is he demonising anyone. The media has a history of dishing out propaganda half truths and bull mess and the Jews do own the bulk of it.

If you say that Jews own "100%" of the media and that there's only "bull****" coming out of it, well that's a way to denigrate Jews. If you can't see that, fine, that's up to you. Then we don't need to talk.

If you would argue that Jews are overrepresented in media ownership, this would be a fact. But the same is true for men, and for whites, they're also overrepresented. They own the media, if you will.

But why would I point any of that out? It just serves to denigrate that particular group. What's the purpose of that? What's the consequence of that? Inciting hatred.


Don't play by their rules that's why we are in this mess.

I agree. Let's not play that game. It's not "the Jews" who do the propaganda. It's not "the men," and it's not "the whites." It's individuals.

Let's not go after any race, religion, gender etc. And let's get back on topic.

[Mac]

I didn't say Jews own 100% of the media. As for your other comment we could expand on that further as it doesn't hold water but this isn't the thread to do so, I agree on that. Groups of individuals under whatever banner that think they know best and play the us and them game are a blight on the human race imo whomever they are. ymmv, and as you say let's get back on topic, nothing further to add.

[ErtheVessel]

Here is some info with regards to Bill Gates that might be more pieces to this puzzle:

from The Organic Prepper blog - don't see a date on it but the comments start on March 11, 2020: https://www.theorganicprepper.com/trust-covid-19-test-elisa-and-rna-tests/

"Ironically Bill Gates warned the world that a global flu pandemic could kill over 30 million people almost 3 years ago, resembling the Spanish Flu. People who follow the topic no doubt remember that. Gates is currently trying to position himself as an authoritative figure in this crisis, calling it a “once in a century pathogen.”

It’s important to take note of the tone present in the mainstream coverage of the virus’s spread. It’s objectively true that when you notice people of this magnitude and power all putting their focus on a topic, it means something to their agenda. Therefore it’s going to be probably something the general population has to understand and deal with."

and this from the Houston Chronicle, March 14, 2020: "Bill Gates is stepping down from Microsoft Board "to focus on philanthropy."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/technology/article/Bill-Gates-says-he-is-stepping-down-from-15130258.php

[Tomkoyote]

OK, things are getting clearer for me:
This coronavirus pandemic is the biggest hoax in history of mankind. As has been demonstrated, this virus can be beaten easily with cheap easily obtainable products. So why:
- the lock down of cities across the globe
- the shutdown of businesses, schools, shopping malls and everything else. Can you phantom the loss of income for the citizens and for the government?
- why deploy the army and enforcing Marshall law? Why restricting people's movement even to go shopping?
- why closing borders? Can you imagine the huge losses for airlines and anything related to the travel industry? Why did Disneyland close? Can you imagine Disneyland closing???

I was talking to my brother in law who lives in a small town in south of France and owns a restaurant which he had to close a few days ago. He took his dog for a walk yesterday near a lake that was deserted. When he got back to his car two cops were waiting for him, They questioned him, recorded his licensee plate and ordered him to go back home. Is a Marshall law warranted?

I read that the WHO is warning that the virus will visit Africa soon; they didn't say if Mr Corona will crush the local competition (Malaria, Ebola,etc..)

Every government on the planet is on it, either knowingly and purposely or by just following stupidly.

This coronavirus is a hoax, a diversion used to coverup something much much more sinister and bigger to come.
There was no lack of 'brilliant minds' on this forum who did not stop tripping on each other to post all this propaganda videos and bogus statistics about x millions cases here, y hundred thousands of infected there, z thousands of dead over there.
The cattle has been really well trained. Here in my area, so far the government has not yet announced any major restrictions. The tragedy is people want to be more royalist than the king himself. Restaurants decided on their own to close, gyms decided on their own to close, the majority of stores closed, the retail business has been reduced to a ridiculous minimum. Can you imagine the loss of income for all the employees, staff and all service providers? What is even more suspicious is all of a sudden the government (a bankrupt entity by nature) has promised to help people with their loss of income, and businesses too. Does that make sense? The cattle will say Yes, I say Nope it does not make sense it is very suspicious. Since when the gov worries about citizen's loss of income, never.

They are covering up something that has started to take place or will take place in the background imminently without us realizing it. What is it? is the big question. To go to this extent to hide it, it means it is something really really important for them.
The only things I can speculate (I think I am not far off) are 1)global and speed of light deployment of 5G and 2)forced vaccination with microchipping. Once they have these 2 major tools in place the rest is just fine tuning. All they have to do is jerk the joystick and we'll be dancing to their tune. I suspect 5G will be installed primarily in schools, high schools, universities, all gov buildings when there is nobody around while the cattle is asleep at home. Once this is done, and we come out of our hole, we will face a 'fait accompli', the next step is forced vaccination. If you want to travel or do anything you have to have an uptodate vaccination record. I think depopulation will come later (I mean soon) once they have all the equipment, tools, and AI in place, then they'll be shooting right and left. Unless there is something bigger that no one knows about that they'll roll out while people are locked down at home.

All I am saying is they sent Mr Corona to blind and divert us from seeing what they'll be rolling out; and once we come out, it's done.

Keep snoozing people and wake up in a few months and you'll see.

[shaberon]

I don't understand the closings. Isn't it better to go ahead and take the infection? Go through it and you don't care any more. You would be one of those "rebuilders" with the right antibodies!

I understand about the "surge" of over-occupying the hospitals, but, on a personal level, I would take it and live or die and never have anything to do with a hospital. I definitely don't want to die there.

Instead, people with no exposure and therefor no immunities are going to try to hide for the rest of their lives while pockets of this stuff keep rebounding. Not sure if that cycle ever really ends.

If it wasn't "the flu", I might think otherwise. I don't want Bubonic Plague although it comes up every year. Tuberculosis takes out over 100,000 per month. I don't want that, either, but I also don't have a "right to avoid it".

[waves]

Hope you don't mind my reformatting/emphasizing your brilliant summary that was so sorely needed here.


OK, things are getting clearer for me:

This coronavirus pandemic is the biggest hoax in history of mankind. As has been demonstrated, this virus can be beaten easily with cheap easily obtainable products.

So why:
- the lock down of cities across the globe

- the shutdown of businesses, schools, shopping malls and everything else. Can you phantom the loss of income for the citizens and for the government?

- why deploy the army and enforcing Marshall law? Why restricting people's movement even to go shopping?

- why closing borders? Can you imagine the huge losses for airlines and anything related to the travel industry? Why did Disneyland close? Can you imagine Disneyland closing???

I was talking to my brother in law who lives in a small town in south of France and owns a restaurant which he had to close a few days ago. He took his dog for a walk yesterday near a lake that was deserted. When he got back to his car two cops were waiting for him, They questioned him, recorded his licensee plate and ordered him to go back home. Is a Marshall law warranted?

I read that the WHO is warning that the virus will visit Africa soon; they didn't say if Mr Corona will crush the local competition (Malaria, Ebola,etc..)

Every government on the planet is on it, either knowingly and purposely or by just following stupidly.

This coronavirus is a hoax, a diversion used to coverup something much much more sinister and bigger to come.

There was no lack of 'brilliant minds' on this forum who did not stop tripping on each other to post all this propaganda videos and bogus statistics about x millions cases here, y hundred thousands of infected there, z thousands of dead over there.

The cattle has been really well trained. Here in my area, so far the government has not yet announced any major restrictions. The tragedy is people want to be more royalist than the king himself. Restaurants decided on their own to close, gyms decided on their own to close, the majority of stores closed, the retail business has been reduced to a ridiculous minimum. Can you imagine the loss of income for all the employees, staff and all service providers? What is even more suspicious is all of a sudden the government (a bankrupt entity by nature) has promised to help people with their loss of income, and businesses too. Does that make sense? The cattle will say Yes, I say Nope it does not make sense it is very suspicious. Since when the gov worries about citizen's loss of income, never.

They are covering up something that has started to take place or will take place in the background imminently without us realizing it. What is it? is the big question. To go to this extent to hide it, it means it is something really really important for them.

The only things I can speculate (I think I am not far off) are

1)global and speed of light deployment of 5G and

2)forced vaccination with microchipping.

Once they have these 2 major tools in place the rest is just fine tuning. All they have to do is jerk the joystick and we'll be dancing to their tune. I suspect 5G will be installed primarily in schools, high schools, universities, all gov buildings when there is nobody around while the cattle is asleep at home.

Once this is done, and we come out of our hole, we will face a 'fait accompli', the next step is forced vaccination. If you want to travel or do anything you have to have an uptodate vaccination record.

I think depopulation will come later (I mean soon) once they have all the equipment, tools, and AI in place, then they'll be shooting right and left. Unless there is something bigger that no one knows about that they'll roll out while people are locked down at home.

All I am saying is they sent Mr Corona to blind and divert us from seeing what they'll be rolling out; and once we come out, it's done.

Keep snoozing people and wake up in a few months and you'll see.

YOU SAID IT.

I think history will realize THIS IS A PLANDEMIC. and a WORLDWIDE REVERSE HOLOCAUST too.

It hasn't hit most people what ELSE is about to hit them that is IN PROGRESS... BESIDES any virus.

I would just add a big number 3 to your list.

3. SIMULTANEOUSLY ruining the lives, livelihoods, businesses, stores, stopping all schools mid year, telling people to stay apart, crashing the financial system, travel, entertainment and sports industries, food shortages, skyrocketing prices for everything and in essence TOTAL destruction of life as we knew it virtually just the day before.

How much more apocalyptic can it be than forcing nearly every business in every town around the world to close and force nearly every person to be a sitting duck in their home SIMULTANEOUSLY?

I predict more crop and city ruining flood/hurricane/tornado/fire weather warfare/genocide is not over yet either this year or longer.

The worst for me is being surrounded by the dumbed down masses in a dazed Stockholm Syndrome rolling over in total submission and obedience and literally begging a satanic cabal to keep them safe.

UNREAL.

[Ratszinger]

Hope you don't mind my reformatting/emphasizing your brilliant summary that was so sorely needed here.


OK, things are getting clearer for me:

This coronavirus pandemic is the biggest hoax in history of mankind. As has been demonstrated, this virus can be beaten easily with cheap easily obtainable products.

So why:
- the lock down of cities across the globe

- the shutdown of businesses, schools, shopping malls and everything else. Can you phantom the loss of income for the citizens and for the government?

- why deploy the army and enforcing Marshall law? Why restricting people's movement even to go shopping?

- why closing borders? Can you imagine the huge losses for airlines and anything related to the travel industry? Why did Disneyland close? Can you imagine Disneyland closing???

I was talking to my brother in law who lives in a small town in south of France and owns a restaurant which he had to close a few days ago. He took his dog for a walk yesterday near a lake that was deserted. When he got back to his car two cops were waiting for him, They questioned him, recorded his licensee plate and ordered him to go back home. Is a Marshall law warranted?

I read that the WHO is warning that the virus will visit Africa soon; they didn't say if Mr Corona will crush the local competition (Malaria, Ebola,etc..)

Every government on the planet is on it, either knowingly and purposely or by just following stupidly.

This coronavirus is a hoax, a diversion used to coverup something much much more sinister and bigger to come.

There was no lack of 'brilliant minds' on this forum who did not stop tripping on each other to post all this propaganda videos and bogus statistics about x millions cases here, y hundred thousands of infected there, z thousands of dead over there.

The cattle has been really well trained. Here in my area, so far the government has not yet announced any major restrictions. The tragedy is people want to be more royalist than the king himself. Restaurants decided on their own to close, gyms decided on their own to close, the majority of stores closed, the retail business has been reduced to a ridiculous minimum. Can you imagine the loss of income for all the employees, staff and all service providers? What is even more suspicious is all of a sudden the government (a bankrupt entity by nature) has promised to help people with their loss of income, and businesses too. Does that make sense? The cattle will say Yes, I say Nope it does not make sense it is very suspicious. Since when the gov worries about citizen's loss of income, never.

They are covering up something that has started to take place or will take place in the background imminently without us realizing it. What is it? is the big question. To go to this extent to hide it, it means it is something really really important for them.

The only things I can speculate (I think I am not far off) are

1)global and speed of light deployment of 5G and

2)forced vaccination with microchipping.

Once they have these 2 major tools in place the rest is just fine tuning. All they have to do is jerk the joystick and we'll be dancing to their tune. I suspect 5G will be installed primarily in schools, high schools, universities, all gov buildings when there is nobody around while the cattle is asleep at home.

Once this is done, and we come out of our hole, we will face a 'fait accompli', the next step is forced vaccination. If you want to travel or do anything you have to have an uptodate vaccination record.

I think depopulation will come later (I mean soon) once they have all the equipment, tools, and AI in place, then they'll be shooting right and left. Unless there is something bigger that no one knows about that they'll roll out while people are locked down at home.

All I am saying is they sent Mr Corona to blind and divert us from seeing what they'll be rolling out; and once we come out, it's done.

Keep snoozing people and wake up in a few months and you'll see.

YOU SAID IT.

I think history will realize THIS IS A PLANDEMIC. and a WORLDWIDE REVERSE HOLOCAUST too.

It hasn't hit most people what ELSE is about to hit them that is IN PROGRESS... BESIDES any virus.

I would just add a big number 3 to your list.

3. SIMULTANEOUSLY ruining the lives, livelihoods, businesses, stores, stopping all schools mid year, telling people to stay apart, crashing the financial system, travel, entertainment and sports industries, food shortages, skyrocketing prices for everything and in essence TOTAL destruction of life as we knew it virtually just the day before.

How much more apocalyptic can it be than forcing nearly every business in every town around the world to close and force nearly every person to be a sitting duck in their home SIMULTANEOUSLY?

I predict more crop and city ruining flood/hurricane/tornado/fire weather warfare/genocide is not over yet either this year or longer.

The worst for me is being surrounded by the dumbed down masses in a dazed Stockholm Syndrome rolling over in total submission and obedience and literally begging a satanic cabal to keep them safe.

UNREAL.

This can only go one place and that is to complete and total collapse. So at this point it should be apparent that this is orchestrated and the world elite, media, healthcare and military are all saying the same thing and are all on the same page to shut down the system. Once the trucks stop you have about four days before total panic as most people live pay day to pay day and will not be too happy on day four! They'll be aware of this and have military in the street in prep for it. Martial Law is inevitable in the USA and it appears quite obvious to me that Trump ultimately wants this system to collapse. We can only hope and pray that he wants this to bring down the pirate papal dynastic families that have controlled the world using it for thousands of years. Maybe it's the only way to get to them, to strangle their power long enough to get out from under them? We can only hope.

[Chester]

...so much for a contrarian thread...

and the wisdom in quelling the degree of panic that is the real danger in this situation.

[Bill Ryan]

...so much for a contrarian thread...

and the wisdom in quelling the degree of panic that is the real danger in this situation.

Well, I can maybe bring that back on track. :thumbsup:

In the video velow (David Icke's excellent interview on London Real a few days ago), David mentions at 30:19 that he was sent the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document, and then goes on to explain that the entire current scenario was laid out there in detail.

Go to page 18 in the PDF. I drew David's attention to that a couple of weeks ago.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/David_Icke_on_London_Real_18_March_2020.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/David_Icke_on_London_Real_18_March_2020.mp4

Here's the document. It's really important.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_International_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Scenarios_for_the_Future_of_Technology_and_Interna tional_Development_Rockefeller_Foundation_2010.pdf

[christian]

In the video velow (David Icke's excellent interview on London Real a few days ago), David mentions at 30:19 that he was sent the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document, and then goes on to explain that the entire current scenario was laid out there in detail.

I think this document in and of itself can hardly be viewed as evidence (edit: proof) for a conspiracy. There has always been a danger of a new pandemic, this is obvious for anyone who studies history and remembers the Spanish Flu of 1918 and also lesser dramatic pandemics more recently. Any science fiction writer could have come up with this, and certainly any serious political (medical, economic etc) expert should have considered such a scenario. So it makes perfect sense for there being a document with a thought experiment of what would happen during such an event.

However, the fact that only very recently there have been many exercises and thought experiments relating exactly to what's happening now (https://www.globalresearch.ca/ncov-2019-coronavirus-time-line/5705776) certainly seems eerie. And you also have to acknowledge that power elites have a motive to create (or exploit) such a pandemic because in the current situation and political climate they'd be the ones to stand to gain from this. I think that's why this document is relevant, it's an important piece of the puzzle, but it doesn't reveal too much in and of itself.

[Chester]

I just came back to this thread to post the Youtube of this very David Icke interview... It is my strongest opinion that if anyone is truly interested in playing a role that increases the chances we experience a better outcome as opposed to otherwise, they can greatly benefit from understanding the main point of this video - each individual is responsible for questioning or not what the mainstream authorities are pushing.

As an aside, it is interesting to note that Icke mentioned a specific statement coming from a Trump "coronavirus task force" that in both South Korea and from preliminary results in the US, 96% of the people tested, test negative. That means that people who were either designated as having been exposed to the virus or people experiencing symptoms which could be coronavirus are testing negative.

Of that group that test positive - roughly 80% experience no symptoms or mild symptoms and then the virus is defeated.

Look at Germany's current "reported" stats updated as of early this morning (US time) on the Johns Hopkins website [note I am sourcing and qualifying these stats] -

13,093 confirmed cases

31 deaths

mortality rate in Germany - 0.237%

contrast that with Italy (noting these stats appear not to have been updated since yesterday the 18th) -

35,713 confirmed cases

2,978 deaths

8.339% mortality rate

So, I offer an important comment about this based on this question - How is it possible the two mortality rates are so far apart?

Answer one - currently inexplicable.

Answer two - we are being lied to.

Now consider either answer and the result is, we do not know the true danger of this virus.

And so the point, what makes more sense? "They're gonna kill us alllll!!!!" type rhetoric? or

We recognize that the degree of impact (and impact cannot be avoided) of this "event" is and will be far more a result of how each of us deals with it. I have, from the beginning, maintained a posting posture that promotes the import of taking fair precautions and prepare (we have in our home) and yet minimize (or fully avoid) rhetoric that fans the flames of fear.

This happens to be the greatest benefit of this thread (thank you, christian) and I hope that at least this thread could be appreciated in this way and maintained by contributors in this way.

[Bill Ryan]

I think this document in and of itself can hardly be viewed as evidence for a conspiracy. Well, it's evidence! But (of course) not proof. (And the same can be said about the Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission).)

In a court, juries convict on a preponderance of evidence. And of course, each juror may have a different opinion. As a personal statement, the more evidence I'm seeing, if I was a juror here, the more likely I'd be to vote guilty.

But while there's still a lot of discussion (see the classic Henry Fonda movie 12 Angry Men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)) :thumbsup: ), the jury's not yet returned its verdict. It's possible the charge is about a crime that's still in progress, with more evidence to be collected.

[Ratszinger]

I just came back to this thread to post the Youtube of this very David Icke interview... It is my strongest opinion that if anyone is truly interested in playing a role that increases the chances we experience a better outcome as opposed to otherwise, they can greatly benefit from understanding the main point of this video - each individual is responsible for questioning or not what the mainstream authorities are pushing.

As an aside, it is interesting to note that Icke mentioned a specific statement coming from a Trump "coronavirus task force" that in both South Korea and from preliminary results in the US, 96% of the people tested, test negative. That means that people who were either designated as having been exposed to the virus or people experiencing symptoms which could be coronavirus are testing negative.

Of that group that test positive - roughly 80% experience no symptoms or mild symptoms and then the virus is defeated.

Look at Germany's current "reported" stats updated as of early this morning (US time) on the Johns Hopkins website [note I am sourcing and qualifying these stats] -

13,093 confirmed cases

31 deaths

mortality rate in Germany - 0.237%

contrast that with Italy (noting these stats appear not to have been updated since yesterday the 18th) -

35,713 confirmed cases

2,978 deaths

8.339% mortality rate

So, I offer an important comment about this based on this question - How is it possible the two mortality rates are so far apart?

Answer one - currently inexplicable.

Answer two - we are being lied to.

Now consider either answer and the result is, we do not know the true danger of this virus.

And so the point, what makes more sense? "They're gonna kill us alllll!!!!" type rhetoric? or

We recognize that the degree of impact (and impact cannot be avoided) of this "event" is and will be far more a result of how each of us deals with it. I have, from the beginning, maintained a posting posture that promotes the import of taking fair precautions and prepare (we have in our home) and yet minimize (or fully avoid) rhetoric that fans the flames of fear.

This happens to be the greatest benefit of this thread (thank you, christian) and I hope that at least this thread could be appreciated in this way and maintained by contributors in this way.

Genetic variance, blood type and/or specific to certain haplogroups. Most of the more serious cases involve people with A type blood it appears. Is Italy mostly composed of people with this type blood?

[Caliban]

An Israeli Virologist throwing some truth:
http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/03/most-of-those-infected-wont-even-know.html


“Most of Those Infected Won’t Even Know It” – Israeli Virologist Tells World Leaders to Calm Unnecessary Panic over ‘Exaggerated’ Coronavirus


The cases of the coronavirus jumped to 9,225 in the US on Wednesday.
The number of deaths blamed on the virus is 150 in the US.
The number of estimated deaths from the flu this year, based on numbers from the CDC is 22,000.

Top Israeli virologist Prof. Jihad Bishara, the director of the Infectious Disease Unit at Petah Tikva’s Beilinson Hospital, said this week most people will recover from the coronavirus without even knowing they were sick.
Dr. Bishara said global leaders and the media need to quit pushing panic and calm people down.
The Times of Israel reported:

A leading Israeli virologist on Sunday urged world leaders to calm their citizens about the coronavirus pandemic, saying people were being whipped into unnecessary panic.

Prof. Jihad Bishara, the director of the Infectious Disease Unit at Petah Tikva’s Beilinson Hospital, said that some of the steps being taken in Israel and abroad were very important, but the virus is not airborne, most people who are infected will recover without even knowing they were sick, the at-risk groups are now known, and the global panic is unnecessary and exaggerated.

“I’ve been in this business for 30 years,” Bishara said in a Channel 12 interview. “I’ve been through MERS, SARS, Ebola, the first Gulf war and the second, and I don’t recall anything like this. There’s unnecessary, exaggerated panic. We have to calm people down.

“People are thinking that there’s a kind of virus, it’s in the air, it’s going to attack every one of us, and whoever is attacked is going to die,” he said.

“That’s not the way it is at all. It’s not in the air. Not everyone [who is infected] dies; most of them will get better and won’t even know they were sick, or will have a bit of mucus.”

But in Israel and around the world, “everybody is whipping everybody else up into panic — the leaders, via the media, and the wider public — who then in turn start to stress out the leaders. We’ve entered some kind of vicious cycle.”

[Chester]

Genetic variance, blood type and/or specific to certain haplogroups. Most of the more serious cases involve people with A type blood it appears. Is Italy mostly composed of people with this type blood?

I heard about the type A thing too yet also, that has not been substantiated as the information came from a single, relatively small, study. The disparity though between Italy and Germany is a 3,200% difference - that is astounding. Even if we take the projected mortality rate of 1% ish (South Korea's number at the moment is 0.998%) that is still over 4 times larger than Germany's number. What is Germany doing that is either "right" or, "right as to how the statistics are determined" or a combination of the two?

I cannot imagine a disparity in blood type groups being anything like what could better explain the disparity in numbers reported.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



But in Israel and around the world, “everybody is whipping everybody else up into panic — the leaders, via the media, and the wider public — who then in turn start to stress out the leaders. We’ve entered some kind of vicious cycle.”

...and that is what some of us here are striving to emphasize... thank you for this post.

[Chester]

I think this document in and of itself can hardly be viewed as evidence for a conspiracy. Well, it's evidence! But (of course) not proof. (And the same can be said about the Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission).)

In a court, juries convict on a preponderance of evidence. And of course, each juror may have a different opinion. As a personal statement, the more evidence I'm seeing, if I was a juror here, the more likely I'd be to vote guilty.

But while there's still a lot of discussion (see the classic Henry Fonda movie 12 Angry Men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)) :thumbsup: ), the jury's not yet returned its verdict. It's possible the charge is about a crime that's still in progress, with more evidence to be collected.

My opinion as to what is most important is... what we do with all the information, including this. In re-watching Bill's original one hour long video from 2010 (found and resurrected in many other threads here) I appreciate Bill's emphasis on what's most important to achieve through events like this... which pointed to each one's opportunity (and perhaps responsibility) to bring forth to their operational consciousness the remembrance and/or knowledge as to who/what each of us is - my personal answer being - a conscious agent whose mortality (if there be such) is not subject to the end of this one life's physical experience.

[christian]

Look at Germany's current "reported" stats updated as of early this morning (US time) on the Johns Hopkins website [note I am sourcing and qualifying these stats] -

13,093 confirmed cases

31 deaths

mortality rate in Germany - 0.237%

contrast that with Italy (noting these stats appear not to have been updated since yesterday the 18th) -

35,713 confirmed cases

2,978 deaths

8.339% mortality rate

So, I offer an important comment about this based on this question - How is it possible the two mortality rates are so far apart?

Answer one - currently inexplicable.

Answer two - we are being lied to.

Answer three - Germany is testing more people, especially more people with mild or no symptoms. That seems to be the case from what I have gathered.

Reported infection numbers are necessarily lower than actual infection numbers, and especially in Italy the actual number of infections seems to be way higher than what has been confirmed by tests.




I think this document in and of itself can hardly be viewed as evidence for a conspiracy. Well, it's evidence! But (of course) not proof.

Right, I meant proof, not evidence, just edited that.

[chrifri]

I just came back to this thread to post the Youtube of this very David Icke interview... It is my strongest opinion that if anyone is truly interested in playing a role that increases the chances we experience a better outcome as opposed to otherwise, they can greatly benefit from understanding the main point of this video - each individual is responsible for questioning or not what the mainstream authorities are pushing.

As an aside, it is interesting to note that Icke mentioned a specific statement coming from a Trump "coronavirus task force" that in both South Korea and from preliminary results in the US, 96% of the people tested, test negative. That means that people who were either designated as having been exposed to the virus or people experiencing symptoms which could be coronavirus are testing negative.

Of that group that test positive - roughly 80% experience no symptoms or mild symptoms and then the virus is defeated.

Look at Germany's current "reported" stats updated as of early this morning (US time) on the Johns Hopkins website [note I am sourcing and qualifying these stats] -

13,093 confirmed cases

31 deaths

mortality rate in Germany - 0.237%

contrast that with Italy (noting these stats appear not to have been updated since yesterday the 18th) -

35,713 confirmed cases

2,978 deaths

8.339% mortality rate

So, I offer an important comment about this based on this question - How is it possible the two mortality rates are so far apart?

Answer one - currently inexplicable.

Answer two - we are being lied to.

Now consider either answer and the result is, we do not know the true danger of this virus.

And so the point, what makes more sense? "They're gonna kill us alllll!!!!" type rhetoric? or

We recognize that the degree of impact (and impact cannot be avoided) of this "event" is and will be far more a result of how each of us deals with it. I have, from the beginning, maintained a posting posture that promotes the import of taking fair precautions and prepare (we have in our home) and yet minimize (or fully avoid) rhetoric that fans the flames of fear.

This happens to be the greatest benefit of this thread (thank you, christian) and I hope that at least this thread could be appreciated in this way and maintained by contributors in this way.

Genetic variance, blood type and/or specific to certain haplogroups. Most of the more serious cases involve people with A type blood it appears. Is Italy mostly composed of people with this type blood?

according to one of Dr. Steven R. Gundry books, explaining which foods are beneficial, neutral or negative according to the blood types A, B an O, the blood type A is predominant in Western Europe, including Italy. So yes, it seems that Italy is mostly composed of people with blood type A

[chrifri]

I have to correct my previous post. The information I had in mind is not from Dr. Gundry but from Dr. D'Adamo and his book EAT RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE. In his book he uses the studies from the 1940s and 1950s from the geneticist Arthur Mourant who studied the distribution of the ABO blood types across the globe. According to D'Adamo, based on the study from Mourant, blood type A are highly concentrated across the Mediterranean, Adriatic, and Aegean seas, particularly in Corsica, Sardinia, Spain, Turkey, and the Balkans. The Japanese also have some of the highest concentrations of Type A blood in eastern Asia (among with a moderately high number of Type B). Type B was carried by Mongolian peoples into southeast Asia and into the Asian flatlands. A separate migration of Type B entered eastern Europe. Due to this migration Germans and Austrians have a high incidence of Type B blood. The highest occurrence of Type B in Germans is in the upper and middle Elbe River. This to me seems interesting because today I saw a map from the Robert Koch Institute (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/coronavirus-karte-deutschland-101.html), indicating the COVID-19 cases in Germany. According to that map, the eastern part of Germany, around the upper and middle Elbe River (with a relatively high concentration of Type B), has less cases than the western part of Germany (with predominantly other blood Types)

[Mari]

Great 2 hour interview yesterday with David Icke on London Real. It was a 'live' talk & its on there now, for free.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/David_Icke_on_London_Real_18_March_2020.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/David_Icke_on_London_Real_18_March_2020.mp4

[onawah]

(Fans of Rudolf Steiner will want to consider this, as he predicted what is happening now:)
Virus From Electrification of Earth
Dr Thomas Cowan : Virus et électrification de la Terre
(Talk is in English, with French subtitles)
Mar 16, 2020

jh1T4c3wP8I

[christian]

I'd like to see a statistic for deaths per day throughout the year. A curve much like in a climate model. Then compare this year's numbers to the average of say the last couple of years. This would give a good impression of how many excess deaths we're actually dealing with.

I just had a phone call with a friend in Rome. She says they all take it seriously now cause they see the nurses and doctors working 14 hours a day, sleeping at work. In Italy, there were 427 deaths attributed to corona today. Last year it was 1,748 per day (https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/death-rate) on average per day from all causes.

On the one side, I'm feeling for the people there. On the other hand, I would like to look at the actual numbers with a cold eye.

This data must be somewhere, it could be and should be made available to show what's going on.

[Bill Ryan]

I'd like to see a statistic for deaths per day throughout the year. A curve much like in a climate model. Then compare this year's numbers to the average of say the last couple of years. This would give a good impression of how many excess deaths we're actually dealing with.It'd be a very tiny number, for sure.

But the problem isn't what's happening now, it's what's forecast to happen in a couple months' time.

It's the future problem that everyone's working to prevent or mitigate, not the current one. If it all stayed as it is now (in terms of deaths per day), although every one is a personal tragedy, the effect on the world would practically be zero.

[christian]

It'd be a very tiny number, for sure.

That's probably right. Even if all were excess, it would only be a plus of 25% if I compare it to the daily average of last year. But 99% (https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due) of the deaths in Italy with corona so far had other diseases and were on average 80 years old.


But the problem isn't what's happening now, it's what's forecast to happen in a couple months' time.

In China, the most reported deaths in one day with corona were 150 with a population of almost 1,4 billion. In Italy, they just had a new record with 427 with a population of 60 million. In proportion, that's 66 as many deaths per day in Italy today than on the worst day in China. And so far it's only gone up in Italy. Globally, it's most serious for them.

https://iili.io/J2cjNs.png

https://i.imgur.com/drzgU8o.png

Although I do not know how reliable these numbers are, especially in China with the suppression of information.

[DaveToo]

Further to christian's numbers analysis...

I'll start with a question.
Why is it that no MSM news outlets are currently publishing numbers to compare with the COVID-19 numbers, so we can assess the COVID-19 numbers intelligently?

Numbers such as:
Deaths per day, in cities across the world, broken down by age, and cause of death?

I will focus now on the major pandemics we had in the past decade or two.

In 2003 we had the SARS pandemic. People were hysterical in my neck of the woods. The MSM were running SARS stories non-stop, daily, for months.
8,000 infected and 800 deaths worldwide.

In 2009 we had the Swine flu (H1N1). Get this. When the end of the swine-flu pandemic was announced in 2010, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported the worldwide death toll was about 18,500. This came from the most authoritative voice in medicine worldwide.

But a study published in The Lancet in 2012 said the actual death toll may have been up to 15 times higher, at more than 280,000.
So much for the reliability and authority of the WHO.

It is estimated that there were 1.4 billion cases of Swine flu in 2009 and approximately 200,000 Swine flu deaths worldwide in the 1st year.

Now get this...

"... the H1N1 death toll was lower than the global death toll for typical flu seasons, as estimated by the WHO."


So folks, do your numbers homework, because the MSM sure ain't doing it for you.

[onawah]

You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
I9nTI93FtuU

[onawah]

Italy coronavirus: new explosive information
by Jon Rappoport
March 19, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/19/italy-coronavirus-new-explosive-information/

"A very brief update. Read this carefully. Many people who were diagnosed as “coronavirus cases” in Italy, and then died, were almost certainly put on antiviral drugs. As you’ll see, below, a significant percentage of these people had prior heart conditions or high blood pressure. But at least one of the antiviral drugs, called ribavirin, carries this VERY RELEVANT warning, from cardiosmart.org: “Ribavirin may decrease the number of red blood cells in your body. This is called anemia and it can be life-threatening in people who have heart disease or circulation problems.” High blood pressure is a circulatory problem. Understand? Get it? LIFE-THREATENING. So how many coronavirus patients have been killed by the administering of ribavirin?

And with THAT, let’s jump in…because there’s more. Much more.

For those people who have any belief in the coronavirus…

Here’s the basic situation: the Italian health agencies are reporting escalating COV deaths—big fear-story out front…

But in the background, other Italian government researchers are combing through patient records, to take a much closer look…to see whether people are dying from the virus or other more obvious causes.

Are people dying coincidentally WITH the virus, or BECAUSE OF the virus? Is the virus a mere harmless passenger in the body, or is it the driving force?

The Italian results are astonishing, to understate it by a mile.

Bloomberg News has the story: 3/18, “99 percent of those whose died from virus had other illness, Italy says”:

“More than 99% [!] of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.”

“The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities [so far, because it’s slow work], finding that just three victims [!!], or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology [disease]. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.”

“More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.”

“The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5 [!!!]. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.”

BANG.

Average age of those who’ve died: 79.5. Are you kidding? Lots of prior medical conditions, weakened immune systems, and what this emerging study isn’t saying: all these people had obviously been treated for those prior conditions with toxic medical drugs. Furthermore, once they’d been diagnosed with coronavirus, chances are many of them were put on highly toxic antiviral drugs. Thus delivering the final blow.

Imagining the coronavirus was the CAUSE of death would be a ridiculous fantasy. But these people are counted as “coronavirus deaths” by the other Italian reporting agencies, who are jacking up the numbers.

Does this remind you of any other reports I’ve been detailing? The elderly people with obvious prior diseases who died in Australia; and the elderly people who were diagnosed as coronavirus cases in the state of Washington—all living in a long-term-care nursing home?

Getting the picture? This death-numbers con—aside from covering up the real causes of death, including MEDICAL—is the forward spear being used to justify locking down and wrecking economies all over the world right now, and that means attacking the people in any way connected to those economies who have to work to make a living.

There are statistical vampires at work, using the elderly and sick and dying to feed numbers to health agencies around the planet. Those agencies tap their press contacts, and horror reports emerge, and the unsuspecting public, in economic lockdowns, sit in front of the tube and watch these reports, and inhale the cooked-up fear.

Turn your mind to the highest setting, because nothing is riding on this whole deal except the immediate future of humanity.

And again, cardiosmart.org: “Ribavirin may decrease the number of red blood cells in your body. This is called anemia and it can be life-threatening in people who have heart disease or circulation problems.” "

[happyuk]

Excellent posts onowah and DaveToo. I don't want mainstream media fear porn and sensationalism. The hard-headed engineer in me wants numbers, and not just covid 19 numbers which by themselves are meaningless

[onawah]

The future problem that concerns me most, and I'm surely not just speaking for myself, is whether all the hoopla will be successful in convincing enough people into taking a new flu shot, and into accepting mandatory vaccines.
THAT's what will cause the most deaths and dehabilitating illness, and it will be just as hard to attribute it to the jabs because of the same obfuscation and/or absence of data.
And the closer we get to martial law, the bigger those problems will grow.
Which are some of the issues this whole "pandemic" scenario is designed to distract from.




It's the future problem that everyone's working to prevent or mitigate, not the current one. If it all stayed as it is now (in terms of deaths per day), although every one is a personal tragedy, the effect on the world would practically be zero.

[Tomkoyote]

Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


A conversion between people in the distant future.
What's wrong John?
Oh, I caught Covid 2019
I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.

[Chester]

I'd like to see a statistic for deaths per day throughout the year. A curve much like in a climate model. Then compare this year's numbers to the average of say the last couple of years. This would give a good impression of how many excess deaths we're actually dealing with.It'd be a very tiny number, for sure.

But the problem isn't what's happening now, it's what's forecast to happen in a couple months' time.

It's the future problem that everyone's working to prevent or mitigate, not the current one. If it all stayed as it is now (in terms of deaths per day), although every one is a personal tragedy, the effect on the world would practically be zero.

I have created (as of March 12, 2020) a spreadsheet that is logging and crunching numbers that I periodically acquire from the Johns Hopkins website -

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU) (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

I am willing to provide the spreadsheet once a day if there is a way that can be done albeit what is important to consider is computer viruses... I have my own virus scan software and I use wise habits with regards to exposing myself to computer viruses, yet if I provide this daily in a way others can access it, it would be their responsibility upon download to ensure it is virus free at their end.

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[Chester]

Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


A conversion between people in the distant future.
What's wrong John?
Oh, I caught Covid 2019
I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.

Please, cite the source for the claim Covid19 is "patented" and in what countries is it patented. Note: patents are "country-centric" (although the EU may have a "EU centric" patent structure).

My request is not because I am not open minded that someone (or some entity) could "patent" a strain of coronovirus, I wish for a source that I could refer others who don't believe it.

[Tomkoyote]

Sammy, my previous post was intended as a sarcastic joke. I read that 'they' patented it. Was it really patented or not, was it a joke or not, a rumor or not is irrelevant to me. The relevant detail is the vintage year they attached to this one. Since when viruses have a birth date?. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future they come up with labels like xyzvirus2024.

[shaberon]

So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54043.htm)--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

Wuhan University (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54044.htm) is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.

[Chester]

Sammy, my previous post was intended as a sarcastic joke. I read that 'they' patented it. Was it really patented or not, was it a joke or not, a rumor or not is irrelevant to me. The relevant detail is the vintage year they attached to this one. Since when viruses have a birth date?. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future they come up with labels like xyzvirus2024.

Thanks, it is hard to know when someone is making a joke when the matter is as serious as this for the entire planet. The reason I asked is because this world is so bizzaro, I was open minded that someone could actually do that. Thanks for clearing that up.

[DaveToo]

I have created (as of March 12, 2020) a spreadsheet that is logging and crunching numbers that I periodically acquire from the Johns Hopkins website -...


I am willing to provide the spreadsheet once a day if there is a way that can be done albeit what is important to consider is computer viruses... I have my own virus scan software and I use wise habits with regards to exposing myself to computer viruses, yet if I provide this daily in a way others can access it, it would be their responsibility upon download to ensure it is virus free at their end.



Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
Here is a link to the site.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.

[Chester]

Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
Here is a link to the site.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.

Thank you, the number that stuck out to me is found under Serious/Critical as these are the folks that need (or will likely need) ventilators.

I find it very hard to "believe" the numbers reported out of China... very hard.

[onawah]

MUST SEE from RFKennedy Jr. Does the Coronavirus Pandemic Serve a Global Agenda?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1342374&viewfull=1#post1342374

[Dennis Leahy]

You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
I9nTI93FtuU

There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.

[AutumnW]

So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54043.htm)--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

Wuhan University (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54044.htm) is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.

The info about the virus was available to the public and to politicians alike by February...actually much before that. So that seems like a bit of a red herring and typical right/left gotcha politics from the usual suspects.

But the idea that China would be loathe to unleash a bio weapon on itself, for all the reasons you stated, resonates strongly.

The timing of this viral epidemic and its point of origin lead me to believe it is either blowback from Mother Nature or biowarfare radiating from the U.S. Would the Anglo American pathocrats unleash something like that on China, if their own citizens might become infected? I see no reason why not and they could easily rationalize it, along "patriotic" lines.

[Ratszinger]

So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54043.htm)--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

Wuhan University (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54044.htm) is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.

The info about the virus was available to the public and to politicians alike by February...actually much before that. So that seems like a bit of a red herring and typical right/left gotcha politics from the usual suspects.

But the idea that China would be loathe to unleash a bio weapon on itself, for all the reasons you stated, resonates strongly.

The timing of this viral epidemic and its point of origin lead me to believe it is either blowback from Mother Nature or biowarfare radiating from the U.S. Would the Anglo American pathocrats unleash something like that on China, if their own citizens might become infected? I see no reason why not and they could easily rationalize it, along "patriotic" lines.

More than likely the Anglo/American 'pathocrats' would have found out about China's experimenting in bio-weapons to attack Anglo genes only and so they beat them to the punch with one of their own and just for kicks dumped right on top of the lab facility and all the people doing the experimenting in China just to plausibly be able to blame in on them later like it leaked from their own lab!! Then with the crisis they created they hopped right on board to ride the wave they created and all along the way snatch up wealth at pennies on the dollar thanks to the panic they create, bump a couple of those diplomatically or politically immune to their advances in key positions or kill them off and replace them with players on the same page with them, or "under the same umbrella if you will, :-) and then sit back and watch as the programmed sheep get so disgusted with the old world order that they demand the new and actually usher it right into place for the oligarchs behind it all the while!

[AutumnW]

I don't agree with all of your thinking here but much of what you conjecture seems plausible.

South Africa had a program of biowarfare under development against the blacks in their country, specifically Bantu,( I think)So there is real history here. It would,be very interesting to have the opportunity to do a trace of any of the scientists working on that project when it was dismantled a few decades ago. Wonder where they ended up?

[Chester]

The theme of this thread is obfuscated by delving into the conspiracy theories.

The theme of the thread has centered upon the idea that the "reality" of the degree of actual impact of the virus, what to be concerned about and what not to be so concerned about, is discussed critically.

I hope the thread gets back on track.

[Philippe]

(Fans of Rudolf Steiner will want to consider this, as he predicted what is happening now:)
Virus From Electrification of Earth
Dr Thomas Cowan : Virus et électrification de la Terre
(Talk is in English, with French subtitles)
Mar 16, 2020


This was posted 2 days earlier with comments by me and Araucaria expanded on it.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1341551&viewfull=1#post1341551

[onawah]

I have sent a message on DJ's Facebook page, and a link to your post, Dennis.
I have found his team to be responsive to other messages there, so hopefully we will get an answer.
And hopefully they will start providing a synopsis of the most salient points of each episode for those who don't have the time to listen to each full program, which are usually pretty lengthy.
(I actually find DJ's kind of relaxed, nonchalant style refreshing, in the midst of so much urgent trauma drama these days.)



You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
I9nTI93FtuU

There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.

[onawah]

Some mix-up about a prediction DJ qjuoted from Ca. Gov. Newsome made about deaths from the virus. and I'm still not sure what happened--will update.

You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9nTI93FtuU


There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.

[Philippe]

If the number of Serious/ Critical cases (breathing machines!) in f.i. Germany (20 and now deleted !), Netherlands 354, UK 20 etc. are correct and so very low , how can we believe that the health system is about to collapse in these countries. The measure to shut down the entire economic system is out of proportion and the damage is unheard off since WW2. This price paid is highly irresponsible and the result of manipulation and hysteria I am afraid.

The discussion about fake or not fake is being blurred by the lack of exact and enough figures. This has been pointed out repeatedly. The underlying bad health condition of those dying is an important factor and is not sufficiently translated in figures.


Some philosophical reflections :
Members of this forum show great knowledge of natural healing methods and it was often said that most of us do not need to fear not getting through this health crisis . None or few of us will be hospitalized.
But when I look at the catastrophic impact of the confinement measures on the economy I think about all the social suffering that this will bring in the future. Why these draconian measures ? Only because the hospital infrastructure is reported to be collapsing or may collapse entirely and the curve must be levelled ?

Do we have to be surprised that this crisis is happening in a civilization that has developed so many health threats and has an ever aging population ? Did those that succumb and are now in the ICU previously made the right choices for their lifestyle ? Have they done the effort to care about their health and become aware of the dangers ? Or are many victims of bad economic systems that enforce health destroying conditions?

In a spirit of solidarity we should take care of the weakest but what if the weakest or the most irresponsible ones destroy the life of all the others?
Do we have to accept the looming total demise of our industries and way of living because some manipulative powers are using these sick persons as hostages to attain all that? There exists a sound principle that says all difficult decisions are best resolved by the weighing of what is the greatest good for the majority of living forces. Sad to say but old and sick people will be dying in increasing numbers from here on out.
They should not have gone into extreme measures of confinement to try to slow this down.
I think now the virus is indeed real and a bio weapon and I also think there is an ongoing coup to usher in a police state.






Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
Here is a link to the site.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.

Thank you, the number that stuck out to me is found under Serious/Critical as these are the folks that need (or will likely need) ventilators.

I find it very hard to "believe" the numbers reported out of China... very hard.

[chrifri]

Philippe. I absolutely agree on all you wrote. I would not be surprised at all, if over time, there will be more people dying indirectly because of the consequences of the impact of this out of proportion shut down, than from the Virus itself.

[Jayke]

Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


A conversion between people in the distant future.
What's wrong John?
Oh, I caught Covid 2019
I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.

Please, cite the source for the claim Covid19 is "patented" and in what countries is it patented. Note: patents are "country-centric" (although the EU may have a "EU centric" patent structure).

My request is not because I am not open minded that someone (or some entity) could "patent" a strain of coronovirus, I wish for a source that I could refer others who don't believe it.

Didn’t Russia blame Britain for the Coronavirus pandemic recently? Might be an element of truth in that if the research at Americans for innovation is legit.
=======

https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com

(MAR. 16, 2020)—This is one of the most important posts we have ever released. In the last 48 hours—just as the Coronavirus lock down was occurring in the US—researchers uncovered the likely culprits behind the Coronavirus bioweapon.

U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701. (Nov. 20, 2018). CORONAVIRUS. Assignee: THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (Woking, Pirbright, Great Britain), funded by Wellcome Trust, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, WHO, EU. U.S. Patent Office.
Bookmark: #betsy-and-thomas-aim | https://tinyurl.com/wd7m4oo

American Intelligence Media "Betsy & Thomas" Audio Interview, Mar. 18, 2020
Click here for powerful supporting AIM Coronavirus information and evidence

Despite the obvious U.S. Patent. No. 10,130,701 held by The Pirbright Institute (UK) operated by The Wellcome Trust, no one in the mainstream media is talking about this glaring fact. Even the alt-media is mute. We believe because the culprits are using every propaganda trick in their playbook to prevent a light being shined on the British Privy Council and the Queen.

China has been blamed, sort of, although the specifics are vague. We have shown that just a four-hour drive from Wuhan is Nanchang and the Merial Animal Health Institute manufacturing vaccines for The Pirbright Institute.

The decision by The Pirbright Institute (Wellcome Trust) to move their Merial Health vaccine manufacturing plant offsite was taken after a virulent foot and mouth outbreak at their Merial plant...

... WHO WAS THE WELLCOME TRUST CHAIRMAN WHO SET UP THE MERIAL NANCHANG PLANT NEAR WUHAN?

Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller
Fig. 3—Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller. Former director of MI5 (2002-2007)—the Top British Domestic Spy-Liar; director and chair of Wellcome Trust (2008-present).
The Wellcome Trust chair was Baroness Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller, the former director of British MI5 (2002-2007). Her mother was GCHQ. Her father was Privy Council, Attorney General and Solicitor General, with a “Bullying Manner.” She is an eighth-generation peer.

That’s not all, Manningham-Buller also chaired Genome Research Limited (2008-2015), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wellcome Trust.

In Oct. 2013, Manningham-Buller was the keynote speaker at the Pilgrims of Great Britain London at the Sir Harry Brittain Memorial Lecture. Harry Brittain was the founder of the Pilgrims Society in 1902. Brittain founded the Pilgrims soon after the untimely death of Cecil Rhodes and the grave illness of their their spiritual mentor Henry de Worms 1st Lord Pirbright. The capitalized on the funderal of Queen Victoria to gather their secret clique. Some 50 British peers formed the Pilgrims Society with heavy sponsorship from Henry Wellcome and The Daily Telegraph founder Lord Burnham Edward Levy-Lawson. Others included Alfred Milner, John Buchan, Philip Whitwell Wilson [Lenin's handler] and Winston Churchill. In 1909, Wellcome then bankrolled the Pilgrim Society's First Imperial Press Conference, 1909. He pampered his guests in order to recruit some of the newspapermen to help them form MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

Manningham-Buller's promotion by the British Pilgrims speaks volumes to hers and her bully father's long associations with the Pilgrims, Privy Council and Wellcome Trust.

Operating from the same Wellcome Genome Campus is Genomics England Limited that is overseen by Manningham-Buller directly for the Monarch, which holds Golden Share control over the company.

Of particular note are two Genomics England director-chairs:

Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm (2013-2019) and

Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds (2013-present).

Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm
Fig. 4—Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm. Founder of QinetiQ Holdings Limited, renamed QinetiQ Group Plc; his first director and CFO was Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds, current chairman of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
We have already written about Chisholm’s formation of QinetiQ (when SERCO moved into the U.S.) and the fact that former C.I.A. director George Tenet, and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani Jr. were QinetiQ directors. QinetiQ has been awarded over $8 billion in U.S. contracts in space, satellites, information technology, military and government agencies. See previous post.

QinetiQ has received over $8.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. (PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder).

SERCO has received over $9.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder)

SIR JONATHAN RICHARD SYMONDS- PILGRIMS SOCIETY / PRIVY COUNCIL "OL FIVE FINGERS" ACCOUNTANT

SSir Jonathan Richard Symonds
Fig. 5—Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds. QinetiQ's founding director and CFO, creator of the Queen's Golden Share control; chair of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
While our research zeroed in long ago on the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society as the actual “Deep State” globally, and while we have gotten tantalizingly close to find this person, his or her name has alluded us.

Now we have found him: Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds.

On Sep. 01, 2019, Symonds was appointed chairman of GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Plc, the successor to Glaxo Wellcome.

GSK is strategically aligned with Wellcome Trust where former MI5 director Manningham-Buller is the current chair.

Symonds has been a director of HSBC Holdings plc since 2014-just months after James Comey left an HSBC directorship to become FBI director. He has been HSBC deputy group chair since 2018, he was also chair of HSBC Bank plc (2014-2018) until just recently.

HSBC has been a major Clinton Foundation donor.

Symonds was also chief financial officer of drug manufacturer Novartis AG (2009-2013).

Prior to Novartis, Symonds was managing director of Goldman Sachs (2007-2009).

Symonds was also chief financial officer of AstraZeneca PLC (1997-2007).

PILGRIMS SOCIETY LYNCH PIN

Here is the lynchpin that shows Symonds is the organizational Deep Throat of the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society. He was director and audit chair of the newly-formed QinetiQ (Feb. 28, 2003-Jun. 30, 2004)

THE PRIVY COUNCIL’S ACCOUNTANT FOR THE QUEEN’S “GOLDEN SHARE” CONTROLS WORLD COMMERCE

Symonds was QinetiQ’s second director just long enough to set up the chart of accounts and the share stock structure giving the Monarch’s Special Share (“Golden Share”) control of the company no matter how many sub-classes of stock were established.

QinetiQ shares property with The Pirbright Institute (Wellcome Trust), the patent holder of the Coronavirus financed by Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. See also Coronavirus Traced to the British Crown.

Our latest discovery that Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller, former head of MI5 (2002-2007), is chair of Wellcome Trust and their related DNA-harvesting research associates, further confirms that the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society are making their move to dramatically reduce the world population by attacking our blood streams

Their secret global communications network is being managed by the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society that is protected by the British Privy Council and the American Senior Executive Service (SES)

They operate a secret global satellite system for themselves out of the Cobbett Hill Earthstation adjacent to The Pirbright Institute (UK)—on the very site of the 2007 foot and mouth outbreak from poorly supervised Pirbright Institute (Merial-Wellcome) sewage effluent. (READ: There are Anglo-American demons that span the globe from these fields). See Coronavirus uncovers Rothschild Lord Pirbright as key to the 140-yr. secret monopoly of the Pilgrims Society.

CETel Cobbett Hill Earthstation
Fig. N: "Cobbett Hill is located only 25 miles from central London in the UK, and occupies a seven-acre secure compound on 200 acres of land. Currently, it houses more than 25 antennas with active operations on 13 satellites plus spare capacity enabling quick turnaround times on even short-notice customer requirements. Due to the locations historical use by the British Ministry of Defence it has blanket planning permission for unlimited antenna installations within the 200 acres and operate within an RF exclusion zone preventing any local interference." —CETel GMBH CEO Guido Neumann on Jun. 01, 2019.
Yes, this is hard to believe, but these facts are now screaming for us to pay attention.

We have our blessed countries and beautiful world to save from these truly evil Pilgrims Society powermongers who want to kill about 90% of the world's population (to make more room for their hellish celebrations to Baphomet and Mollach).

See p. 321 of Burrough's Wellcome & Cos. Pilgrim Society The Evolution of Journalism book celebrating British expedition theft of African poisons and cures, fake vaccines, forced innoculations, mortality tables, pedophilia and witchcraft (bee and butterfly symbolism are used heavily in the spy cryptography deception business) given to the delegates of the First Imperial Press Conference, 1909, if you think we are exaggerating.

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Bookmark: #qinetiq-reports | https://tinyurl.com/wt9u7g3
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[onawah]

At 1 hour 46 minutes, DJ slips and misquotes Gov. Newsome of CA. as predicting 25 million deaths in CA. alone from the virus, when what Newsome actually said was that 25 million would be infected.
Before that, all through the video, DJ got it right, but a couple of listeners have already pointed it out to his team online, so hopefully he will correct that, or issue a retraction.
(It was still a ridiculously large number for Newsome to predict, but it's important to keep the numbers straight.)


Some mix-up about a prediction DJ qjuoted from Ca. Gov. Newsome made about deaths from the virus. and I'm still not sure what happened--will update.

You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9nTI93FtuU


There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.

[Djfskeeter]

-Great article upon the coronavirus and it’s numbers-

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

***UPDATE-THIS ARTICLE ABOVE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE DUE TO “VIOLATION OF TERMS”-

Hmm..

This (above) is really a great article that illustrates the extent of the virus and it’s development throughout the world. It’s updated almost daily, and relies on legitimate resources to compile an informative, practical, and factual perspective of Covid-19. Thought it might be of interest to many, so I figured I would share it with you all.

-Also, in addition to this, here is an email I received from a doctor in Ft. Worth who shared her thoughts in a very positive and constructive manner. She provides priceless incite into how to approach this situation naturally regarding our health, and also the importance of positive social interaction to impact our communities in a most constructive manner. Really brightened my day and brought back optimism into the picture. Hope you all appreciate it as much as I did.

Information & Misinformation Abound regarding the COVID-19 these days. 03/15/2020
In response to several of my patients asking for my take on it and what Alternative Sources are saying and recommending, I am sending out “what I know and don’t know” about the COVID-19 virus. I’m attaching links to some of the articles that have helped me understand it and allow you to go deeper if you’d like.. Thanks to the many local health experts and colleagues who have shared their input.
My healer and friend, Julie commented that “this may be a forced slow down”. I love that. We all tend to push, push, push and promise our bodies that we will take a break, a vacation a nap – and we keep failing to do so. Here is an excellent opportunity to do just that. With STRESS being the overriding factor let’s look at this as a gift to our bodies, our minds and our spirits and ultimately to the quality of our life now and in the future.
Here are a few tidbits of information that may give your mind something to play with. But REMEMBER, STAY OUT OF FEAR. The body’s innate (God given) ability to HEAL itself is severely hindered by how the body reacts to fear. Our bodies are designed to be able to move into and out of the Fight/Flight or Freeze mode as the imminent dangers of survival came and went (the lion, the tiger and the bear). Currently we remain in those “hyped” energies of the 4F’s (fear, fight,flight, freeze) 24/7. The adrenal and kidney systems in our bodies show the signs of wear and aging.
 COVID-19 affects the lower respiratory system, whereas a common cold attacks the upper. This puts those with respiratory weakness in significantly higher risk categories. One expert reported ”This virus has an affinity for pulmonary receptors that is extraordinary.”
 Most common symptoms are fever, cough, difficult breathing, and fatigue.
 The nations with the most advanced 5G networks in place also have the highest rates of
COVID-19 cases and mortality. 5G has been linked to weakened immunity, cancer, heart
disease and type 2 diabetes.
 The strength of the COVID-19 is not as much a factor as is the “spreadability” of it. The
virus can remain active on surfaces for many hours.
 Relapse of this virus is really deadly. It is recommended that quarantine be continued
for at least 24 days with 30 days being more desirable, and immune building practices continued for 3-5 months. A relapse can result in sudden heart attacks/failure. It was noted in one report that the “normal” immune response where the body builds antibodies does not appear to be happening.
 COVID-19 is spread via touch, breath, sneezing and coughing.
 This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way
for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth. (Did you know that we touch our nose/mouth 90x a day w/o knowing it.)
 Hand sanitizers must be at least 60% alcohol to be effective.

 “The virus enters the cell via vesicle called an endosome. Once inside, it releases its RNA into the cell cytoplasm and hijacks the cell machinery to produce more viral proteins and thus virus. It also releases an enzyme called 3CL (3-chymotripsin-like protease). This enzyme attacks and weakens the cell’s defense mechanism against these coronavirus attack molecules. The best neutraceuticals for destroying the 3CL enzyme are quercetin and epigallocatechin gallate, which is found in green tea and green tea extract. These anti-3CL substances are also found in: flax seed, citrus peel, tickleberry leaves, orange peel, oregano, garlic, ginger elderberry and turmeric.
SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) is another form of this virus. In the 2003-2004 outbreak, 3 studies were conducted among medical staff taking preventive herbs. In total the studies included thousands of participants. NOT one of the staff participants who took the preventive herbs contracted SARS in Hong Kong where the studies were conducted.
The best offense is a great defense:
There are lots of options available to make ourselves COVID-19 proof! Chinese Herbal formulations, Essential oils, nutriceuticals (natural medicine), Gemmotherapy, better self care & hygene, The Life System to balance and build your immune system, Acupuncture to support the immune system and promote the natural flow of your body’s energies and to deal with stress. A simple tune-up of 20 to 30 minutes with needles can be equivalent to 3 good night’s sleep. I just got the frequencies of the virus, have input them into my system and am broadcasting them to all in the LIFE SYSTEM support group (a group I started when I announced my own sabbatical about 6 weeks ago, for further support while I’m not available much).
REMEMBER – STRESS is the enemy! Your body has its own natural defense systems that are undermined by being stressed – that means physically, emotionally and spiritually. Take this “forced slowdown” to rebuild your life, your faith, your relationships, your emotional strength. TURN the TV off. Remember the old saying “if you tell someone something long enough, they will believe it”. The constant reverberations of the “negative, fear based information” is NOT helpful for anyone. My guess is that you could “not” listen for a week and not miss a thing of value to you.
Laughter, love and gratitude are still the best medicine – it affects your entire immune system in positive ways. Find people you love and enjoy and who raise your frequency and spend time with them, even if its via phone or skype or zoom. Limit the conversations to uplifting charm.
KEEP YOUR ENERGETIC FREQUENCY HIGH! Top of the scale are Love, Joy, Peace, Gratitude & God. Low scale are fear, hate, war, intolerance. I’m sending out weekly & twice weekly blasts via the LIFE SYSTEM to help fortify and uplift those personal energetic frequencies.
Eat at home! Cook clean, you’ll know where everything comes from and what’s in it & who has lovingly prepared it.

Eliminate the use of aspirin, acetaminophen and ibuprofen – suppressing any fever (pushing it in deeper) is not the answer. Many of my patients have switched to a Chinese Herbal formula called Herbal ANG and find themselves needing it less and less as its functions are more healing than just pain relief.
Many of our most common Chinese Herbal formulas have the power to support the immune system, eliminate the pathogen and enhance overall health! Consult your Practitioner. These are prescription based and need to be tailored to your body. Many of these are appropriate for supporting immune function when challenged by any illness where there is a weakened immune system or weakened immune response.
My good friend and GEMMOTHERAPY expert, Lauren Hubele, recommends these Gemmotherapy protocols to enhance your immunity. This line of health supplementation contain the stem cells of young plants that directly and positively affect our bodies.
In the morning take – Common Alder, Black Currant & Dog Rose (to improve the immune response)
At noon take – Sea Buckthorn & Blackthorn (to improve the immune response)
Each evening take – Hazel (1-3 drops) to calm your system for sleep (increase if lungs are compromised). I trust and recommend Lauren Hubele and her supply of Gemmos.
(listen to podcasts at https://anchor.fm/lauren-hubele/episodes/Gemmo-Memo-Hazel- earmig?mc_cid=35fe4980fe&mc_eid=e84fab01aa
ZINC (Zinc lozenges kill or neutralize, suck on them. The virus cannot live in the Stomach) SELLENIUM
OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT These are strong anti-viral Western Herbs
ST. JOHN’S WART
GINGER
These essential oils were considered key for prevention and healing during the bubonic plague: eucalyptus, clove, grapefruit, cinnamon, tea tree, lemon grass, frankincense.
I am preparing Mushroom Immune Broth & Silkie Chicken Soup with Lotus Seeds and Red Dates to build up my immune system and Qi levels. Recipes I found in “Nutritional Healing with Chinese Medicine” by Ellen Goldsmith.
I Googled “Homemade Hand Sanitizer” and viola – I’m making my own with powerful essential oils! Then I don’t have to have all the junk and chemical smells (what I detest about hand sanitizers). Remember, though, your amazing body keeps a film of “good bacteria” on your skin to fight off the bad stuff. Avoid using the hand sanitizers all the time, they kill the good the bad and the ugly. Mostly, your body’s got your back & your front!

I agree with Grand Master Nan Lu’s Philosophy:
No fear! Simply PREVENTION! Your choice determines your outcome.
Here’s why.
Fear unbalances the body which directly impacts the immune system. The body must then
work hard to come back to balance and fight off illnesses. Every cell in your body responds to
this emotional response. But if you learn how to bridge mind and body, your outcomes will be
positive.
To deal with the Coronavirus, the first thing I’d like you to do is step back and not panic. Realize that your body has a natural healing ability to deal with viruses. Learning how to use this wisely is your key. Sleep!
Allow the body to deeply rest.
Avoid cold drinks. Allow the digestive system to warm up.
Add more warming herbs to your diet like ginger and cinnamon. Make honey part of your daily diet,
Drink dandelion tea with honey.
Practice the posture Dragon Stand Between Heaven and Earth.
Grand Master Nan Lu
Thanks to Dr. Gabriel Cousins article linked here
COVID-19 Wuhan Coronavirus - 3/10/20 UPDATE! - Dr. Cousens' Revised Protection & Prevention Protocol!
Final note:
April Fools Day is cancelled this year as no made up prank can match the unbelievable **** happening in the real world right now! (As posted on FaceBook, so ya know its true.)
This is what I know. I hope the information helps you. Be safe, be smart, be happy and keep on loving with all ya got! This will make us stronger and hopefully healthier at the same time. A new paradigm for many of us.
-Barbara Anne Winkowski, MS, LAc,
Inspired Holistic Therapies, Inc.
For educational purposes only. This information has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This information is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure, any disease.

[christian]

If the number of Serious/ Critical cases (breathing machines!) in f.i. Germany (20 and now deleted !), Netherlands 354, UK 20 etc. are correct and so very low , how can we believe that the health system is about to collapse in these countries. The measure to shut down the entire economic system is out of proportion and the damage is unheard off since WW2. This price paid is highly irresponsible and the result of manipulation and hysteria I am afraid.

Italy, Iran and also increasingly Spain show that hospitals can become overwhelmed. Japan shows that face masks and good hygiene can prevent that. In any case, it seems possible that the healthcare systems of more countries could become overwhelmed. There have been almost 800 deaths with corona in Italy only today (compared to 1,750 per day last year from all causes on average).

Still, the lockdowns are too severe according to most virologists. And at the end of the day, it's not like the power elites care about human lives. They care about people revolting if there are mass deaths in overcrowded hospitals, and they care about exploiting this crisis for power.

[Djfskeeter]

Im with you on this one, especially considering the cruise situation and its potential impact upon the spread of infection. Could there be a more strategic method than on a cruise where everyone will be jam-packed in confined areas of consistently high traffic for a week or more; which nearly guarantees the probability of exposure? Of course, then afterward they all go back home to various places throughout the world, continuing to spread the virus in their own communities. Just a thought...

[onawah]

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic
One of the requests to Congress would allow the department to petition a judge to indefinitely detain someone during an emergency.
By BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN
POLITICO
03/21/2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

"The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.

Documents reviewed by POLITICO detail the department’s requests to lawmakers on a host of topics, including the statute of limitations, asylum and the way court hearings are conducted. POLITICO also reviewed and previously reported https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-merger-reviews-coronavirus-140669 ...on documents seeking the authority to extend deadlines on merger reviews and prosecutions.

A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment on the documents.

The move has tapped into a broader fear among civil liberties advocates and Donald Trump’s critics — that the president will use a moment of crisis to push for https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/09/trump-team-policy-border-china-tax-124166 ...controversial policy changes. Already, he has cited the pandemic as a reason for heightening border restrictions and restricting asylum claims. He has also pushed for further tax cuts as the economy withers, arguing that it would soften the financial blow to Americans. And even without policy changes, Trump has vast emergency powers that he could legally deploy https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/trump-extreme-powers-coronavirus-129176...right now to try and slow the coronavirus outbreak.

The DOJ requests — which are unlikely to make it through a Democratic-led House — span several stages of the legal process, from initial arrest to how cases are processed and investigated.

In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the attorney general power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.”
The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ document wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies, but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”

The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus –– the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.

“Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, the executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”

Reimer said the possibility of chief judges suspending all court rules during an emergency without a clear end in sight was deeply disturbing.

“That is something that should not happen in a democracy,” he said.

The department also asked Congress to pause the statute of limitations for criminal investigations and civil proceedings during national emergencies, “and for one year following the end of the national emergency,” according to the draft legislative text.

Trump recently declared the coronavirus crisis a national emergency.

Another controversial request: The department is looking to change the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure in some cases to expand the use of videoconference hearings, and to let some of those hearings happen without defendants’ consent, according to the draft legislative text.“Video teleconferencing may be used to conduct an appearance under this rule,” read a draft of potential new language for Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 5(f), crossing out the phrase “if the defendant consents.”

“Video teleconferencing may be used to arraign a defendant,” read draft text of rule 10(c), again striking out the phrase “if the defendant consents.”Reimer said forcing people to have hearings over video rather than in person would threaten civil liberties.

“If it were with the consent of the accused person it would be fine,” he said. “But if it’s not with the consent of the accused person, it’s a terrible road to go down. We have a right to public trials. People have a right to be present in court.”

The department also wants Congress to change the law to explicitly say that people with Covid-19 –– the illness caused by the novel coronavirus –– are not included among those who may apply for asylum. And the department asked for the same change regarding people who are “subject to a presidential proclamation suspending and limiting the entry of aliens into the United States,” according to the draft legislative language.

Layli Miller-Munro, the CEO of the Tahirih Justice Center, which advocates for women and girls fleeing violence, said the language would block anyone on a presidential travel ban list from seeking asylum in the U.S.

“I think it’s a humanitarian tragedy that fails to recognize that vulnerable people from those countries are among the most persecuted and that protecting them is exactly what the refugee convention was designed to do,” she said.

The asylum request comes as the Trump administration on Friday said that it would begin denying entry to all migrants illegally crossing the U.S. southern border, including those seeking asylum.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/us/politics/trump-border-coronavirus.html

“I hope we come out of this with a sense of oneness, interconnectedness,” Miller-Munro said of the coronavirus pandemic. “Borders can’t protect us. Viruses do not care.”

[Chester]

@ Jake - based on this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1342538&viewfull=1#post1342538)

I knew I ran across the suggestion a coronavirus was patented... great find. How can this be verified? Also, how could it be proven (if it is the original version of the COVID-19 of the first outbreak)? This whole blog seems like a must read from the top down.

[Chester]

Im with you on this one, especially considering the cruise situation and its potential impact upon the spread of infection. Could there be a more strategic method than on a cruise where everyone will be jam-packed in confined areas of consistently high traffic for a week or more; which nearly guarantees the probability of exposure? Of course, then afterward they all go back home to various places throughout the world, continuing to spread the virus in their own communities. Just a thought...

If folks are stuck on a cruise ship and that ship is in a zone that gets good, strong sunlight - each passenger should be allowed to go get a good 30 minutes of sun over as much of their body as they can at least once a day. Pure, natural sunlight D3 has the most significant impact in increasing ones immune system capabilities.

Those with genetically sensitive skin go earlier or later in the day based on risk of sunburn, etc.

[onawah]

Medical Martial Law 2020
Mar 21, 2020
Corbett Report
SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=35444

"As the lockdowns go into place and the military takes to the streets in country after country, the decades of preparation for medical martial law are finally paying off for the pandemic planners. Today on this emergency edition of The Corbett Report podcast, James lays out the steps that have led us to the brink of martial law and the steps that are being taken to implement it now. Please help to spread this important information and to raise awareness of the crisis that we are facing."

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SHOW NOTES
"Episode 086 – Medical Martial Law

The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act

An Internal Pandemic Document Shows the Coronavirus Gives Trump Extraordinary Powers

Operations Plan for Pandemic Response

Trudeau announces restrictions on entry into Canada

Trudeau announces Canadians abroad will not be allowed entry to country if they exhibit symptoms of Covid-19

Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development (Lock Step Rockefeller Foundation scenario)

Episode 228 – How to Become a Billionaire (and what to do with it)

The Coronavirus and the New World Order. “War is in the Air”

What Bill Gates is afraid of

Ebola reporting on The Corbett Report

The Next Epidemic — Lessons from Ebola by Bill Gates

Operation Dark Winter Part 1 / Part 2 / Part 3 / Part 4

Trump invokes rare powers to combat coronavirus outbreak he previously downplayed, calling it ‘war

New CDC pandemic quarantine powers enacted

Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Highlights Reel

About Event 201

Prop Report special report Event 201 Agenda

Event 201 Call to Action (7 recommendations)

Facebook, Reddit, Google, LinkedIn, Microsoft, Twitter and YouTube issue joint statement on misinformation

Facebook “Bug” Blocks News Articles About Covid-19 Pandemic

WHO warns of coronavirus ‘infodemic’ — an epidemic of too much information

Event 201 coronavirus plushies

Politifact “Fact Check” on plushies

Trump taps emergency powers as virus relief plan proceeds

Two temporary hospitals handed over to army medical team in Wuhan

Israeli military enters state of war amid nationwide curfew over COVID19

Italy braces for extended lockdown as COVID-19 death toll surpasses China

National Guard Deployed To Help Contain Coronavirus In NYC Suburb

The #NYCLockdown is About to Begin. Here’s What You Need to Know.

What is martial law?

War, Martial Law, and the Economic Crisis by Peter Dale Scott

What’s the full extent of Trump’s disaster authority? That’s classified, security expert says

Here’s the latest National Guard mobilizations by state

Coronavirus vs. Constitution: What can government stop you from doing in a pandemic?

America’s national security machine stares down a viral threat

U.S. government, tech industry discussing ways to harness location data to combat coronavirus

Israel Joins Totalitarian States Using Coronavirus To Spy On Citizens

Coronavirus: Thousands of armed forces staff could be put on standby over COVID-19 spread

Coronavirus: How the Emergencies Act could help Canada’s struggling economy

New “Emergency Measures” Will Come From The QUARANTINE ACT!! This Is NOT Looking Good For Canada!!!"

[Dennis Leahy]

...
Didn’t Russia blame Britain for the Coronavirus pandemic recently? Might be an element of truth in that if the research at Americans for innovation is legit.
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https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com

(MAR. 16, 2020)—This is one of the most important posts we have ever released. In the last 48 hours—just as the Coronavirus lock down was occurring in the US—researchers uncovered the likely culprits behind the Coronavirus bioweapon....

Standing ovation for Jayke. (If vetted and true), this isn't just a bombshell, it's a nuclear bomb.

Well done!

[onawah]

WOW! Following the link above to this one: https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2020/01/coronavirus-traced-to-british-crown.html
Just a small taste of what's there:

" Thursday, January 30, 2020
CORONAVIRUS TRACED TO THE BRITISH CROWN

The Pirbright Institute (UK) has been awarded 11 U.S. Patents, including Coronavirus U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701

The Pirbright Institute is controlled by the Queen's Golden Share along with SERCO and QinetiQ (pron. kinetic)

Pirbright's controllers track back to SERCO, QinetiQ & Sir Geoffrey E. Pattie, Chairman Marconi and the British Intellectual Property Institute

Outrageously, British SERCO—today runs the U.S. Patent Office (proof below), U.S. FEMA Region 04, and Zone 02, websites for U.S. Obamacare, OPM, GSA and U.S. Navy SPAWAR, Virginia, New York, 63 U.S. city air traffic controllers, and more

SERCO used its control of the U.S. Patent Office to issue its British bio company a patent on the Coronavirus in record time—that's pure fraud

CONTRIBUTING WRITERS | OPINION | AMERICANS FOR INNOVATION | JAN. 30, 2020, UPDATED MAR. 08, 2020 | PDF | https://tinyurl.com/utex8ys

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KEkSiDuLRjY/XjcOIQ5e5pI/AAAAAAAAHfs/8QH-RouV41M18XATg4FFtTj_BvGMZkVrACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/queen-elizabeth.jpg

Thursday, January 30, 2020
CORONAVIRUS TRACED TO THE BRITISH CROWN

The Pirbright Institute (UK) has been awarded 11 U.S. Patents, including Coronavirus U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701

The Pirbright Institute is controlled by the Queen's Golden Share along with SERCO and QinetiQ (pron. kinetic)

Pirbright's controllers track back to SERCO, QinetiQ & Sir Geoffrey E. Pattie, Chairman Marconi and the British Intellectual Property Institute

Outrageously, British SERCO—today runs the U.S. Patent Office (proof below), U.S. FEMA Region 04, and Zone 02, websites for U.S. Obamacare, OPM, GSA and U.S. Navy SPAWAR, Virginia, New York, 63 U.S. city air traffic controllers, and more

SERCO used its control of the U.S. Patent Office to issue its British bio company a patent on the Coronavirus in record time—that's pure fraud

CONTRIBUTING WRITERS | OPINION | AMERICANS FOR INNOVATION | JAN. 30, 2020, UPDATED MAR. 08, 2020 | PDF | https://tinyurl.com/utex8ys
AFI. (Jan. 30, 2020). Coronavirus traced to the British Crown. Americans for Innovation.
The Pirbright Institute, Corporate Report, p.6, col.3.
The Pirbright Institute, Corporate Report, p.6, col.3.
The Pirbright Institute, Corporate Report, pp.6,7, cols.3.
Fig. 1—The Queen's company The Pirbright Institute holds U.S. Patent No. 10,130,701 on CORONAVIRUS. Pirbright tracks back to SERCO Group Plc and QinetiQ Group Plc, which both have contracts with the U.S. Patent Office. Outrageously, SERCO essentially runs the U.S. Patent Office (under the Commerce Department) patent application process! This "inequitable conduct" in patent legal terms is fraud and invalidates the claim while the world fights this British-American Pilgrims Society-inspired emerging pandemic, in our opinion. See THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE, Co. No. 00559784. (Jan. 07, 1956). Certificate of Incorporation and related records. Companies House (UK).

Queen Elizabeth II is the long-time Patron of the British-American Pilgrims Society (1902-present). Sir Henry Solomon Wellcome pharma-propagandist-spy was a Pilgrims secret founding member along with Winston Churchill, propagandist John Buchan & the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail's Lords Burnham and Northcliffe. See The Pilgrims Society of Great Britain, United States, Profile Books, London (2002,2003) (Jan. 2002, p.1: "As Patron of the Pilgrims it has given me great pleasure to support the unique contribution which the Society has made to Anglo-American relations over the years."). See Pilgrims Society controls the Press.

Pirbright Funders:

Wellcome Trust Pilgrims Society founder member (1902)
GlaxoSmithKline (Wellcome clone)
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
World Health Organization (WHO)
European Commission (EU)
United Nations (UN)
UK Research and Innovation (UKRI)
Biological Technology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC); formerly Science and Engineering Research Council (SERC, White Paper) aka SERCO Limited (the commercial spin out controlled by the Monarch's Golden Share)
The Pirbright Institute logo
Graphics: Pilbright, Unknown, AFI/AIM. Fair Use.
Pirbright Trustees:

Chair, Professor John Stephenson
Ian Bateman, UK-NEA
Ian Black, London School of Econ. (LSE)
Jon Coles, Brunswick Group, Apple, Pizza Hut, Western Union, Bloomsbury and Macmillan.
Professor Vince Emery, Surrey U
Roger Louth, Avrico
Dr. Venessa Mayatt OBE
Dr. Sandy Primrose
Sir Bertie Ross, KCVO, FRICS, Savills, Court member of the Worshipful Company of Farmers, The City of London, Pilgrims Society (Prince Charles confidente, Charles is also Pilgrims Society, and its next Patron)
Professor David Rowlands, Wellcome Fndn.
Jane Tirard, Pfizer
AMERICAN AND BRITISH PATENT OFFICES ARE FULLY COORDINATED THEFT & WEAPONIZATION FACTORIES FOR THE PILGRIMS SOCIETY—THE TECHNOLOGY SOURCE FOR CONTINUOUS WAR: SERCO has controlled the U.S. Patent Office processes since 20006 to the present. That's right, a BRITISH company controls AMERICA'S Patent Office where America's best and brightest are fooled into thinking it is a fair process. In fact, as we shall prove below, British and American Pilgrims Society media, intelligence and banking are weaponizing everything they touch. See AFI. (Nov. 22, 2017). The Weaponization of Social Media Should Concern Us All. Americans for Innovation.U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701. (Nov. 20, 2018). CORONAVIRUS. Assignee: THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (Woking, Pirbright, Great Britain), funded by Wellcome Trust, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, WHO, EU. U.S. Patent Office."

(Much easier to read at the link, and MUCH MORE there. This was just to whet your appetite for rabbit holes.)
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[Floating]

As a contrarian, I do not doubt for a minute people are ill, sick, and maybe die.

What I suggest this is an Economic War. Folks dying is just a side issue.
Closing down restaurants, movie theaters, travel industry, and all surrounding businesses is Harsh!
How will the Administration unwind all of this? How do tell folks the virus is gone and you can go about your business as before?
Will America be the same as before? People working from home. Kids getting educated via internet. The world will change because of these isolation requirements. Maybe a good thing? Maybe a bad thing?

It is all about whether America can weather this economic storm.

IMHO

[onawah]

"Coronavirus Traced to British Crown" More from that link:
https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2020/01/coronavirus-traced-to-british-crown.html

(What an Illuminati lineup!!) :horn: :evil: :moony:

WHO WAS THE WELLCOME TRUST CHAIRMAN WHO SET UP THE MERIAL NANCHANG PLANT NEAR WUHAN?
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Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller
Fig. 3—Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller. Former director of MI5 (2002-2007)—the Top British Domestic Spy-Liar; director and chair of Wellcome Trust (2008-present).
The Wellcome Trust chair was Baroness Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller, the former director of British MI5 (2002-2007). Her mother was GCHQ. Her father was Privy Council, Attorney General and Solicitor General, with a “Bullying Manner.” She is an eighth-generation peer.

That’s not all, Manningham-Buller also chaired Genome Research Limited (2008-2015), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wellcome Trust.

In Oct. 2013, Manningham-Buller was the keynote speaker at the Pilgrims of Great Britain London at the Sir Harry Brittain Memorial Lecture. Harry Brittain was the founder of the Pilgrims Society in 1902. Brittain founded the Pilgrims soon after the untimely death of Cecil Rhodes and the grave illness of their their spiritual mentor Henry de Worms 1st Lord Pirbright. The capitalized on the funderal of Queen Victoria to gather their secret clique. Some 50 British peers formed the Pilgrims Society with heavy sponsorship from Henry Wellcome and The Daily Telegraph founder Lord Burnham Edward Levy-Lawson. Others included Alfred Milner, John Buchan, Philip Whitwell Wilson [Lenin's handler] and Winston Churchill. In 1909, Wellcome then bankrolled the Pilgrim Society's First Imperial Press Conference, 1909. He pampered his guests in order to recruit some of the newspapermen to help them form MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

Manningham-Buller's promotion by the British Pilgrims speaks volumes to hers and her bully father's long associations with the Pilgrims, Privy Council and Wellcome Trust.

Operating from the same Wellcome Genome Campus is Genomics England Limited that is overseen by Manningham-Buller directly for the Monarch, which holds Golden Share control over the company.

Of particular note are two Genomics England director-chairs:

Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm (2013-2019) and

https://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/library/chisholm-john-a-r.jpg

Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds (2013-present).
Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm
Fig. 4—Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm. Founder of QinetiQ Holdings Limited, renamed QinetiQ Group Plc; his first director and CFO was Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds, current chairman of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
We have already written about Chisholm’s formation of QinetiQ (when SERCO moved into the U.S.) and the fact that former C.I.A. director George Tenet, and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani Jr. were QinetiQ directors. QinetiQ has been awarded over $8 billion in U.S. contracts in space, satellites, information technology, military and government agencies. See previous post.

QinetiQ has received over $8.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. (PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder).

SERCO has received over $9.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder)

SIR JONATHAN RICHARD SYMONDS- PILGRIMS SOCIETY / PRIVY COUNCIL "OL FIVE FINGERS" ACCOUNTANT
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SSir Jonathan Richard Symonds
Fig. 5—Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds. QinetiQ's founding director and CFO, creator of the Queen's Golden Share control; chair of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
While our research zeroed in long ago on the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society as the actual “Deep State” globally, and while we have gotten tantalizingly close to find this person, his or her name has alluded us.

Now we have found him: Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds.

On Sep. 01, 2019, Symonds was appointed chairman of GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Plc, the successor to Glaxo Wellcome.

GSK is strategically aligned with Wellcome Trust where former MI5 director Manningham-Buller is the current chair.

Symonds has been a director of HSBC Holdings plc since 2014-just months after James Comey left an HSBC directorship to become FBI director. He has been HSBC deputy group chair since 2018, he was also chair of HSBC Bank plc (2014-2018) until just recently.

HSBC has been a major Clinton Foundation donor.

Symonds was also chief financial officer of drug manufacturer Novartis AG (2009-2013).

Prior to Novartis, Symonds was managing director of Goldman Sachs (2007-2009).

Symonds was also chief financial officer of AstraZeneca PLC (1997-2007).

PILGRIMS SOCIETY LYNCH PIN

Here is the lynchpin that shows Symonds is the organizational Deep Throat of the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society. He was director and audit chair of the newly-formed QinetiQ (Feb. 28, 2003-Jun. 30, 2004 https://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/library/2003-02-28-Jonathan-Richard-Symonds-QinetiQ-Holdings-Limited-Co-No-04586941-Companies-House-Feb-28-2003.pdf)

THE PRIVY COUNCIL’S ACCOUNTANT FOR THE QUEEN’S “GOLDEN SHARE” CONTROLS WORLD COMMERCE

Symonds was QinetiQ’s second director just long enough to set up the chart of accounts and the share stock structure giving the Monarch’s Special Share (“Golden Share”) control of the company no matter how many sub-classes of stock were established.

QinetiQ shares property with The Pirbright Institute (Wellcome Trust), the patent holder of the Coronavirus financed by Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. See also Coronavirus Traced to the British Crown.

Our latest discovery that Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller, former head of MI5 (2002-2007), is chair of Wellcome Trust and their related DNA-harvesting research associates, further confirms that the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society are making their move to dramatically reduce the world population by attacking our blood streams
Their secret global communications network is being managed by the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society that is protected by the British Privy Council and the American Senior Executive Service (SES)
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They operate a secret global satellite system for themselves out of the Cobbett Hill Earthstation adjacent to The Pirbright Institute (UK)—on the very site of the 2007 foot and mouth outbreak from poorly supervised Pirbright Institute (Merial-Wellcome) sewage effluent. (READ: There are Anglo-American demons that span the globe from these fields). See Coronavirus uncovers Rothschild Lord Pirbright as key to the 140-yr. secret monopoly of the Pilgrims Society. https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2020/02/coronavirus-uncovers-rothschild-lord.html

CETel Cobbett Hill Earthstation
Fig. N: "Cobbett Hill is located only 25 miles from central London in the UK, and occupies a seven-acre secure compound on 200 acres of land. Currently, it houses more than 25 antennas with active operations on 13 satellites plus spare capacity enabling quick turnaround times on even short-notice customer requirements. Due to the locations historical use by the British Ministry of Defence it has blanket planning permission for unlimited antenna installations within the 200 acres and operate within an RF exclusion zone preventing any local interference." —CETel GMBH CEO Guido Neumann on Jun. 01, 2019.
Yes, this is hard to believe, but these facts are now screaming for us to pay attention.

We have our blessed countries and beautiful world to save from these truly evil Pilgrims Society powermongers who want to kill about 90% of the world's population (to make more room for their hellish celebrations to Baphomet and Mollach).

See p. 321 of Burrough's Wellcome & Cos. Pilgrim Society The Evolution of Journalism book celebrating British expedition theft of African poisons and cures, fake vaccines, forced innoculations, mortality tables, pedophilia and witchcraft (bee and butterfly symbolism are used heavily in the spy cryptography deception business) given to the delegates of the First Imperial Press Conference, 1909, if you think we are exaggerating.
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Baphoment

[Djfskeeter]

Ok, so maybe I’m a bit out of left field here, but do we seem to be inching into the trap that the suspected parties responsible for this whole thing have set for us? For instance, if “fear mongering” is being used as a potential weapon against us, wouldn’t these types of debates be exactly how they hoped we would react, which is basically throw everything at the wall and see what sticks? I understand that many if not all of the suspicions discussed here have plenty of substance, and I have no intention to pose a refutation in any manner. My proposal here is upon the concern that we may be feeding the fire that we are trying so hard to put out. After all, one of our worst enemies exists within, being controlled by our own fears; living in a constant state of distress and worry. It is said that fear retreats us to living in the past, and our subconscious is called upon to take control of our destiny; which is basically autopilot. Our conscious retreats when in fear due to our survival instincts, and results in our inability to properly manifest the things we desire. I’ve followed this thread due to my own interests, but I’ve discovered that I could have been feeding my fears all along; all just to explore the unknown realm of possibilities that could be an ulterior motive to the whole Covid-19 situation. I have many suspicions of what may be conspired against the people of this world, which is often traumatizing, but I feel that it is in the enemy’s best interest to make sure I remain in this state of distress, aside from my own. It only supports their situation because it keeps us in “check”, as we succumb to their control much easier in this state. I don’t intend to distract or discourage anyone’s ideals, but I do wonder if we are going about it all wrong, and are dismissing the real problem here. The spread seems to be very real, and I only hope that we all manage to be properly prepared for what could potentially occur within our communities. Considering that time is of the essence, I wonder if my time would be more valuably spent with addressing the most pressing issue at hand. Am I truly prepared if this virus were to infect my own realm in terms of prevention, recovery, care, etc? How about my family and those I care for? Can I say 100% that I am utilizing the time I have wisely, in that I will know exactly how to handle the situation if it actually were to present itself? These are just some thoughts I felt the need to share with you all, whether it be to seek a response or just to let it out. I hope it has relevance to you all as it does with me. Much love, and take care out there, folks.

[onawah]

Personally, I am kind of elated a good bit of the time because so much that has been hidden is coming out now for all to see, and is becoming less and less easy to deny.
It's certainly not pleasant, but it really does explain a lot, and once you know who your enemy is, you have a much better idea how to go about defending yourself.
Certainly, it's much easier to take that position if you have already taken precautions for your health, and I think a lot of us on Avalon have done so, so perhaps that's why we are able to deal with all the data which for those who are still in denial, can be quite overwhelming.

Ok, so maybe I’m a bit out of left field here, but do we seem to be inching into the trap that the suspected parties responsible for this whole thing have set for us? For instance, if “fear mongering” is being used as a potential weapon against us, wouldn’t these types of debates be exactly how they hoped we would react, which is basically throw everything at the wall and see what sticks? I understand that many if not all of the suspicions discussed here have plenty of substance, and I have no intention to pose a refutation in any manner. My proposal here is upon the concern that we may be feeding the fire that we are trying so hard to put out. After all, one of our worst enemies exists within, being controlled by our own fears; living in a constant state of distress and worry. It is said that fear retreats us to living in the past, and our subconscious is called upon to take control of our destiny; which is basically autopilot. Our conscious retreats when in fear due to our survival instincts, and results in our inability to properly manifest the things we desire. I’ve followed this thread due to my own interests, but I’ve discovered that I could have been feeding my fears all along; all just to explore the unknown realm of possibilities that could be an ulterior motive to the whole Covid-19 situation. I have many suspicions of what may be conspired against the people of this world, which is often traumatizing, but I feel that it is in the enemy’s best interest to make sure I remain in this state of distress, aside from my own. It only supports their situation because it keeps us in “check”, as we succumb to their control much easier in this state. I don’t intend to distract or discourage anyone’s ideals, but I do wonder if we are going about it all wrong, and are dismissing the real problem here. The spread seems to be very real, and I only hope that we all manage to be properly prepared for what could potentially occur within our communities. Considering that time is of the essence, I wonder if my time would be more valuably spent with addressing the most pressing issue at hand. Am I truly prepared if this virus were to infect my own realm in terms of prevention, recovery, care, etc? How about my family and those I care for? Can I say 100% that I am utilizing the time I have wisely, in that I will know exactly how to handle the situation if it actually were to present itself? These are just some thoughts I felt the need to share with you all, whether it be to seek a response or just to let it out. I hope it has relevance to you all as it does with me. Much love, and take care out there, folks.

[Bill Ryan]

U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701. (Nov. 20, 2018). CORONAVIRUS. Assignee: THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (Woking, Pirbright, Great Britain), funded by Wellcome Trust, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, WHO, EU. U.S. Patent Office.
Folks, this has been discussed before, fairly early on the main Covid-19 thread. The patent actually goes back to 2015. (There are many coronaviruses: the one on the loose right now is just one of them.)


That 2015 patent was actually for an avian virus that's quite unrelated to this one. Again, it's pretty challenging sometimes to decode quite what's real and what's not real. There's really quite a lot of misinformation about this not only in the mainstream, but in the so-called alternative media as well. (Even if it's well-intentioned!)

[animovado]

Again Dr Wodarg:

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[Jayke]

Thierry Meyssan isn’t buying it...the videos he links to of Didier Raoult seem to be promoting the same treatment that Trump tweeted recently.

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https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html





Instrumentation in Italy and France

Modern propaganda should not be limited to the publication of false news as the United Kingdom did to convince its people to enter the First World War, but should also be used in the same way as Germany did to convince its people to fight in the Second World War. The recipe is always the same: to exert psychological pressure to induce subjects to voluntarily practice acts that they know are useless, but which will lead them to lie [5]. For example, in 2001, it was common knowledge that those accused of hijacking planes on 9/11 were not on the passenger boarding lists. Yet, in shock, most accepted without question the inane accusations made by FBI Director Robert Muller against "19 hijackers". Or, as is well known, President Hussein’s Iraq had only old Soviet Scud launchers with a range of up to 700 kilometers, but many Americans caulked the windows and doors of their homes to protect themselves from the deadly gases with which the evil dictator was going to attack America. This time, in the case of the Covid-19, it is the voluntary confinement in the home that forces the person who accepts it to convince himself of the veracity of the threat.

Let us remember that never in history has the confinement of a healthy population been used to fight a disease. Above all, let us remember that this epidemic will have no significant consequences in terms of mortality.

In Italy, the first step was to isolate the contaminated regions according to the principle of quarantine, and then to isolate all citizens from each other, which follows a different logic.

According to the President of the Italian Council, Giuseppe Conte, and the French President, Emmanuel Macron, the aim of confining the entire population at home is not to overcome the epidemic, but to spread it out over time so that the sick do not arrive at the same time in hospitals and saturate them. In other words, it is not a medical measure, but an exclusively administrative one. It will not reduce the number of infected people, but will postpone it in time.

In order to convince the Italians and the French of the merits of their decision, Presidents Conte and Macron first enlisted the support of committees of scientific experts. While these committees had no objection to people staying at home, they had no objection to people going about their business. Then Chairs Conte and Macron made it mandatory to have an official form to go for a walk. This document on the letterheads of the respective ministries of the interior is drawn up on honour and is not subject to any checks or sanctions.

The two governments panic their populations by distributing unnecessary instructions disavowed by infectious diseases doctors: they encourage people to wear gloves and masks in all circumstances and to keep at least one metre away from any other human being.

Video from February 25, 2020 censored by the French Ministry of Health
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The French "reference daily" (sic) Le Monde, Facebook France and the French Ministry of Health undertook to censor a video of Professor Didier Raoult, one of the world’s most renowned infectiologists, because by announcing the existence of a proven drug in China against Covid-19, he highlighted the lack of a medical basis for the measures taken by President Macron [6].
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Presentation by Professor Didier Raoult to the General Assembly of the University Hospitals of Marseille, March 16, 2020.

It is too early to say what real goal the Conte and Macron governments are pursuing. The only thing that is certain is that it is not a question of fighting Covid-19.
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[Dennis Leahy]

U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701. (Nov. 20, 2018). CORONAVIRUS. Assignee: THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (Woking, Pirbright, Great Britain), funded by Wellcome Trust, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, WHO, EU. U.S. Patent Office.
Folks, this has been discussed before, fairly early on the main Covid-19 thread. The patent actually goes back to 2015. (There are many coronaviruses: the one on the loose right now is just one of them.)


That 2015 patent was actually for an avian virus that's quite unrelated to this one. Again, it's pretty challenging sometimes to decode quite what's real and what's not real. There's really quite a lot of misinformation about this not only in the mainstream, but in the so-called alternative media as well. (Even if it's well-intentioned!)

I must have missed the discussion on this. I'd not be too quick to dismiss this as not being a smoking gun. To stick with that analogy, consider finding a heavily armed man, holding a smoking gun, standing over a corpse with fresh bullet wounds. He's holding a .45 caliber gun right now, but the bullet holes are determined to be from a .38 caliber gun.

Do we check to see if the heavily armed man might also have a .45 in his pants, or let him go?

What in the hell possible good reason could there be for someone to own a patent on ANY virus? Note that the USA bioweapons labs have not been the source of cures for viruses. That's not what they do. People who patent viruses and/or work in bioweapons labs should be highly suspect.

[Philippe]

Thierry Meyssan is not buying the measure. He gives historic facts and brings scientific references of tests in Marseille .
The featured Professor Didier Raoult says clearly that the contaminated should be isolated and not the others. He also explains their experience with the cure used by the Chinese.

Personally I felt the same in my post of yesterday with some moral reflections.
The disaster of halting nearly the entire economy is irreversible and the consequences enormous. The better measure would have been testing on a large scale. The professor says these tests are not complicated, the question of organizing it is the problem.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1342523&viewfull=1#post1342523



Thierry Meyssan isn’t buying it...the videos he links to of Didier Raoult seem to be promoting the same treatment that Trump tweeted recently.

According to the President of the Italian Council, Giuseppe Conte, and the French President, Emmanuel Macron, the aim of confining the entire population at home is not to overcome the epidemic, but to spread it out over time so that the sick do not arrive at the same time in hospitals and saturate them. In other words, it is not a medical measure, but an exclusively administrative one. It will not reduce the number of infected people, but will postpone it in time.

In order to convince the Italians and the French of the merits of their decision, Presidents Conte and Macron first enlisted the support of committees of scientific experts. While these committees had no objection to people staying at home, they had no objection to people going about their business. Then Chairs Conte and Macron made it mandatory to have an official form to go for a walk. This document on the letterheads of the respective ministries of the interior is drawn up on honour and is not subject to any checks or sanctions.

It is too early to say what real goal the Conte and Macron governments are pursuing. The only thing that is certain is that it is not a question of fighting Covid-19.[/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]
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[Ratszinger]

Unfortunately the damage is done now! I think the point of no return is fast approaching also and I also believe that this is like the "Emperor Has No Clothes ON STEROIDS!" and that some virologists are going to be seriously reprimanded if not publicly shamed to suicide by harassment once this all plays out! 97% recovery rate and this is their reaction! It's the most historic fear mongering and destruction of a world economy I've ever witnessed. This attack is not limited to the USA it is not limited to Trump even. It is worldwide and the damage is just beginning because of it. This overreaction will cost us more than our economy! Its is likely to collapse entire governments.

[animovado]

This link might be interesting for someone looking after stats for the mortality rate in the EU:

https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

[T Smith]

You can't even make this stuff up.
Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
"Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
3/19/209
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There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.

Below is a summary:

COVID-19 crisis is launching the mobilization of continuity of government (COG), martial law, and fascist dictatorship in America with no foreseeable endgame, e.g. no return to normalcy…
Statistics of potential COVID-19 fatalities are projections from the Imperial College with no collaborated studies; one study has largely dictated the present hype
The objective of COG rollout may be a beta-test of taking the United States (and other governments) to the brink of “Nazi Germany fascism” to collect data and the response of citizens
COVID-19 may be a tool being used by the Joint Assistant for Development and Execution (JADE), i.e. military AI, with objective to master the human domain for its geo-intelligence database
We are amid PTB execution of COG and global fascist dictatorship… to the End Zone? Or pullback?
COVID-19 psyop a running cover for --- what?
COVID-19 may be “patsy” diagnosis of some other agenda or bio attack carefully targeted and orchestrated, piggybacked on positive COVID-19 results
Middle managers and government officials doing job based on the information provided and based on the hype surrounding the outbreak, e.g. water carriers for ulterior agenda not yet clear
Factions of Deep State attempting to ram COG through amid growing public fear, but entire machinery of government may not be on board
COVID-19 contradictions: psyop supposedly being waged in the name of public safety while psyop concurrently releases incarcerated criminals from Rikers Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikers_Island) and into vulnerable society on lockdown? Police citing and releasing criminals, but not arresting? Sending an explicit message to invoke lawlessness?
COG a coup attempt? If so, is President Trump captured or complicit?
COG assumes full military control of government with U.S. Constitution fully suspended, with military governors dictating regions per the dictates of societal collapse; meet America’s new slated dictator, Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrence_J._O%27Shaughnessy)
California Governor, Gavin Newsom, blatantly misleads public with egregious lie backed by no facts (claims 25 million deaths imminent in California given no government action) and assumes fascist dictator hat. Miscalculated overreach?
MSM beginning to push the “COVID-19 deniers” meme to demonize and shame those who question the official narrative
COVID-19 the new 9/11?
Possible speculative objectives of rollout: forced vaccinations, mandatory implementation of invisible tattoo, e.g. “slave tag”, covert rollout of 5-G infrastructure amid “empty” schools and cities, collapse of global economy to reset to digital cashless society, etc.
Slave Revolt (rise of global populism) countered with PTB traumatic mind control foretold of 2020 prophecy playing out?
Despite reporting on very sobering developments concerning COG, Dark Journalist is optimistic and believes its rollout is an overreach that will fail

[Chester]

I came here to write this very same post and thankfully, I first read what I had not yet read. I have chosen (and I hope Djfskeeter does not mind) to re-post his post with paragraph breaks to make it more easily read by those like myself who have difficulty with eye sight.


Ok, so maybe...

Ok, so maybe I’m a bit out of left field here, but do we seem to be inching into the trap that the suspected parties responsible for this whole thing have set for us? For instance, if “fear mongering” is being used as a potential weapon against us, wouldn’t these types of debates be exactly how they hoped we would react, which is basically throw everything at the wall and see what sticks?

I understand that many if not all of the suspicions discussed here have plenty of substance, and I have no intention to pose a refutation in any manner. My proposal here is upon the concern that we may be feeding the fire that we are trying so hard to put out.

After all, one of our worst enemies exists within, being controlled by our own fears; living in a constant state of distress and worry. It is said that fear retreats us to living in the past, and our subconscious is called upon to take control of our destiny; which is basically autopilot. Our conscious retreats when in fear due to our survival instincts, and results in our inability to properly manifest the things we desire.

I’ve followed this thread due to my own interests, but I’ve discovered that I could have been feeding my fears all along; all just to explore the unknown realm of possibilities that could be an ulterior motive to the whole Covid-19 situation.

I have many suspicions of what may be conspired against the people of this world, which is often traumatizing, but I feel that it is in the enemy’s best interest to make sure I remain in this state of distress, aside from my own. It only supports their situation because it keeps us in “check”, as we succumb to their control much easier in this state.

I don’t intend to distract or discourage anyone’s ideals, but I do wonder if we are going about it all wrong, and are dismissing the real problem here.

The spread seems to be very real, and I only hope that we all manage to be properly prepared for what could potentially occur within our communities.

Considering that time is of the essence, I wonder if my time would be more valuably spent with addressing the most pressing issue at hand.

Am I truly prepared if this virus were to infect my own realm in terms of prevention, recovery, care, etc?

How about my family and those I care for?

Can I say 100% that I am utilizing the time I have wisely, in that I will know exactly how to handle the situation if it actually were to present itself?

These are just some thoughts I felt the need to share with you all, whether it be to seek a response or just to let it out. I hope it has relevance to you all as it does with me.

Much love, and take care out there, folks.

[happyuk]

Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


A conversion between people in the distant future.
What's wrong John?
Oh, I caught Covid 2019
I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.

Please, cite the source for the claim Covid19 is "patented" and in what countries is it patented. Note: patents are "country-centric" (although the EU may have a "EU centric" patent structure).

My request is not because I am not open minded that someone (or some entity) could "patent" a strain of coronovirus, I wish for a source that I could refer others who don't believe it.

Didn’t Russia blame Britain for the Coronavirus pandemic recently? Might be an element of truth in that if the research at Americans for innovation is legit.
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https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com

(MAR. 16, 2020)—This is one of the most important posts we have ever released. In the last 48 hours—just as the Coronavirus lock down was occurring in the US—researchers uncovered the likely culprits behind the Coronavirus bioweapon.

U.S. Pat. No. 10,130,701. (Nov. 20, 2018). CORONAVIRUS. Assignee: THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (Woking, Pirbright, Great Britain), funded by Wellcome Trust, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, WHO, EU. U.S. Patent Office.
Bookmark: #betsy-and-thomas-aim | https://tinyurl.com/wd7m4oo

American Intelligence Media "Betsy & Thomas" Audio Interview, Mar. 18, 2020
Click here for powerful supporting AIM Coronavirus information and evidence

Despite the obvious U.S. Patent. No. 10,130,701 held by The Pirbright Institute (UK) operated by The Wellcome Trust, no one in the mainstream media is talking about this glaring fact. Even the alt-media is mute. We believe because the culprits are using every propaganda trick in their playbook to prevent a light being shined on the British Privy Council and the Queen.

China has been blamed, sort of, although the specifics are vague. We have shown that just a four-hour drive from Wuhan is Nanchang and the Merial Animal Health Institute manufacturing vaccines for The Pirbright Institute.

The decision by The Pirbright Institute (Wellcome Trust) to move their Merial Health vaccine manufacturing plant offsite was taken after a virulent foot and mouth outbreak at their Merial plant...

... WHO WAS THE WELLCOME TRUST CHAIRMAN WHO SET UP THE MERIAL NANCHANG PLANT NEAR WUHAN?

Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller
Fig. 3—Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller. Former director of MI5 (2002-2007)—the Top British Domestic Spy-Liar; director and chair of Wellcome Trust (2008-present).
The Wellcome Trust chair was Baroness Elizabeth Lydia Manningham-Buller, the former director of British MI5 (2002-2007). Her mother was GCHQ. Her father was Privy Council, Attorney General and Solicitor General, with a “Bullying Manner.” She is an eighth-generation peer.

That’s not all, Manningham-Buller also chaired Genome Research Limited (2008-2015), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wellcome Trust.

In Oct. 2013, Manningham-Buller was the keynote speaker at the Pilgrims of Great Britain London at the Sir Harry Brittain Memorial Lecture. Harry Brittain was the founder of the Pilgrims Society in 1902. Brittain founded the Pilgrims soon after the untimely death of Cecil Rhodes and the grave illness of their their spiritual mentor Henry de Worms 1st Lord Pirbright. The capitalized on the funderal of Queen Victoria to gather their secret clique. Some 50 British peers formed the Pilgrims Society with heavy sponsorship from Henry Wellcome and The Daily Telegraph founder Lord Burnham Edward Levy-Lawson. Others included Alfred Milner, John Buchan, Philip Whitwell Wilson [Lenin's handler] and Winston Churchill. In 1909, Wellcome then bankrolled the Pilgrim Society's First Imperial Press Conference, 1909. He pampered his guests in order to recruit some of the newspapermen to help them form MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

Manningham-Buller's promotion by the British Pilgrims speaks volumes to hers and her bully father's long associations with the Pilgrims, Privy Council and Wellcome Trust.

Operating from the same Wellcome Genome Campus is Genomics England Limited that is overseen by Manningham-Buller directly for the Monarch, which holds Golden Share control over the company.

Of particular note are two Genomics England director-chairs:

Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm (2013-2019) and

Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds (2013-present).

Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm
Fig. 4—Sir John Alexander Raymond Chisholm. Founder of QinetiQ Holdings Limited, renamed QinetiQ Group Plc; his first director and CFO was Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds, current chairman of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
We have already written about Chisholm’s formation of QinetiQ (when SERCO moved into the U.S.) and the fact that former C.I.A. director George Tenet, and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani Jr. were QinetiQ directors. QinetiQ has been awarded over $8 billion in U.S. contracts in space, satellites, information technology, military and government agencies. See previous post.

QinetiQ has received over $8.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. (PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder).

SERCO has received over $9.5 billion U.S. federal contracts. PDF | Excel-downloads directly to your Downloads folder)

SIR JONATHAN RICHARD SYMONDS- PILGRIMS SOCIETY / PRIVY COUNCIL "OL FIVE FINGERS" ACCOUNTANT

SSir Jonathan Richard Symonds
Fig. 5—Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds. QinetiQ's founding director and CFO, creator of the Queen's Golden Share control; chair of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, a Wellcome Trust surrogate.
While our research zeroed in long ago on the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society as the actual “Deep State” globally, and while we have gotten tantalizingly close to find this person, his or her name has alluded us.

Now we have found him: Sir Jonathan Richard Symonds.

On Sep. 01, 2019, Symonds was appointed chairman of GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Plc, the successor to Glaxo Wellcome.

GSK is strategically aligned with Wellcome Trust where former MI5 director Manningham-Buller is the current chair.

Symonds has been a director of HSBC Holdings plc since 2014-just months after James Comey left an HSBC directorship to become FBI director. He has been HSBC deputy group chair since 2018, he was also chair of HSBC Bank plc (2014-2018) until just recently.

HSBC has been a major Clinton Foundation donor.

Symonds was also chief financial officer of drug manufacturer Novartis AG (2009-2013).

Prior to Novartis, Symonds was managing director of Goldman Sachs (2007-2009).

Symonds was also chief financial officer of AstraZeneca PLC (1997-2007).

PILGRIMS SOCIETY LYNCH PIN

Here is the lynchpin that shows Symonds is the organizational Deep Throat of the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society. He was director and audit chair of the newly-formed QinetiQ (Feb. 28, 2003-Jun. 30, 2004)

THE PRIVY COUNCIL’S ACCOUNTANT FOR THE QUEEN’S “GOLDEN SHARE” CONTROLS WORLD COMMERCE

Symonds was QinetiQ’s second director just long enough to set up the chart of accounts and the share stock structure giving the Monarch’s Special Share (“Golden Share”) control of the company no matter how many sub-classes of stock were established.

QinetiQ shares property with The Pirbright Institute (Wellcome Trust), the patent holder of the Coronavirus financed by Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. See also Coronavirus Traced to the British Crown.

Our latest discovery that Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller, former head of MI5 (2002-2007), is chair of Wellcome Trust and their related DNA-harvesting research associates, further confirms that the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society are making their move to dramatically reduce the world population by attacking our blood streams

Their secret global communications network is being managed by the Anglo-American Pilgrims Society that is protected by the British Privy Council and the American Senior Executive Service (SES)

They operate a secret global satellite system for themselves out of the Cobbett Hill Earthstation adjacent to The Pirbright Institute (UK)—on the very site of the 2007 foot and mouth outbreak from poorly supervised Pirbright Institute (Merial-Wellcome) sewage effluent. (READ: There are Anglo-American demons that span the globe from these fields). See Coronavirus uncovers Rothschild Lord Pirbright as key to the 140-yr. secret monopoly of the Pilgrims Society.

CETel Cobbett Hill Earthstation
Fig. N: "Cobbett Hill is located only 25 miles from central London in the UK, and occupies a seven-acre secure compound on 200 acres of land. Currently, it houses more than 25 antennas with active operations on 13 satellites plus spare capacity enabling quick turnaround times on even short-notice customer requirements. Due to the locations historical use by the British Ministry of Defence it has blanket planning permission for unlimited antenna installations within the 200 acres and operate within an RF exclusion zone preventing any local interference." —CETel GMBH CEO Guido Neumann on Jun. 01, 2019.
Yes, this is hard to believe, but these facts are now screaming for us to pay attention.

We have our blessed countries and beautiful world to save from these truly evil Pilgrims Society powermongers who want to kill about 90% of the world's population (to make more room for their hellish celebrations to Baphomet and Mollach).

See p. 321 of Burrough's Wellcome & Cos. Pilgrim Society The Evolution of Journalism book celebrating British expedition theft of African poisons and cures, fake vaccines, forced innoculations, mortality tables, pedophilia and witchcraft (bee and butterfly symbolism are used heavily in the spy cryptography deception business) given to the delegates of the First Imperial Press Conference, 1909, if you think we are exaggerating.

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Ah that will be the same Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Eliza_Manningham-Buller), former head of MI5, who inherited the epithet "Bullying Manner" from her father Viscount Dilhorne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Manningham-Buller,_1st_Viscount_Dilhorne), whose mishandling of the prosecution of suspected serial killer Dr John Bodkin Adams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Manningham-Buller,_1st_Viscount_Dilhorne#John_Bodkin_Adams_prosecution) was very very strange, the presiding judge calling it "an abuse of process"

[T Smith]

There has to be balance between facing our fears with courage and resolve and denying them altogether... We are being told 80% of people (https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/) (and presumably throughout the world) will contract COVID-19. We are being told to prepare for lockdown for the rest of the year, with little or no means for the average person to provide for or to protect themselves.

I will tell anyone who is seriously considering this as a viable solution, it will absolutely not fly. Society will collapse well before the virus takes its course (if we accept this solution) and we the people will be subject to a fascist geopolitical bureaucratic/dictatorship tasked to manage the crisis. It is the only logical outcome. I can almost promise authoritarian government will come to pass well before the virus clears through the population, as there will be no other way to manage the ensuing chaos... People without food, shelter, clothing, and the basic resources for survival will demand it. With pitch forks and baseball bats....

In this milieu, many, many more people will die, by a factor of 100x, from democide and societal collapse than from the virus.

Alternatively:

We can endure a brief shutdown to catch our breaths--maybe two weeks maximum, and with a clear end date--and then reboot the economy come hell or high water. Yes, some people will sill contract the virus and some people will still die. I am not suggesting the government (remember we the people are the government) sit back and do nothing to combat the pandemic... nor do we sit back and go about our business and hope herd immunity takes hold without any planning; if this is a crisis, real or promulgated, I'm suggesting we aggressively mobilize the economy, similar to WWII, and stop producing cell phones and flat-screens and sport cars (among other things) and focus our collective effort on producing the following:


Mass production of ventilators
Mass production of hospital beds and necessary infrastructure to accommodate a real set of data of those who will need medical assistance.
Medical training/voluntary assistance on a mass Scale


This, of course, is just the beginning of what the economy will need to produce at record pace to tackle this crisis. But this is what we should be focusing on, not shutting down the economy altogether.

Remember, most people will recover from this illness, but 20% may need hospitalization and 5% may need critical care... that's the problem. But that's a problem our collective ingenuity and resolve can solve. Imho. We did it in WWII, and we can do it again.

Our economy has the ability to mass produce smart phones and automobiles and flat screen TVs for every individual (with stockholder's deadlines in mind); if we switch gears now, with humanitarian deadlines instead, and with the fervor and the full brawn of the government behind a new directive, we should be able to remobilize production to accommodate the sick. We should then let the virus do as it will. Most well recover and do just fine--those at the highest risk will need to take precautions per the guidelines of their own providence.

Is there really any other way to tackle this without losing our countries, our liberties, our very way way of life?

If we execute this approach we may just find less people perish from this thing than from tuberculosis, cancer, heart disease, car accidents... and yes, even the flu.

Whatever the case, a nine-month lockdown/allowing for global economic collapse/ushering in government assistance for our very survival (with conditions)/Marshal Law, ensuing Hyperinflation, etc., etc., is not the answer. Throwing out Constitutional Government is not the answer...

[onawah]

Actually, DJ mentioned several times that Newsome predicted 25 million Californians would be INFECTED, not die of the virus, but at about 1 hour 46 minutes in, he misquoted and said "deaths".
I have alerted his team via FB of the error, so hopefully it will be retracted;I think they are usually responsive to feedback, if they can get through it all.
(Though Newsome surely exaggerated with that number, in any case.)


California Governor, Gavin Newsom, blatantly misleads public with egregious lie backed by no facts (claims 25 million deaths imminent in California given no government action) and assumes fascist dictator hat. Miscalculated overreach?

[Chester]

A fiasco in the making?

As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data. (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/)

The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.

At a time when everyone needs better information, from disease modelers and governments to people quarantined or just social distancing, we lack reliable evidence on how many people have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 or who continue to become infected. Better information is needed to guide decisions and actions of monumental significance and to monitor their impact.

Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable. How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?

Vaccines or affordable treatments take many months (or even years) to develop and test properly. Given such timelines, the consequences of long-term lockdowns are entirely unknown.

The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.

read all here (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/)

[Bill Ryan]

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%.Right. But this soon breaks down.

If exactly 100 people, and no more, suddenly got sick with this thing in a big modern city, and nothing else exceptional was happening, and all were given the best treatment western medicine could bring to bear, then maybe one person would die. (Maybe no-one at all!)

But when the healthcare system is all collapsed, there are no more respirators or even beds, half the doctors and nurses are sick (and some have died, as has already happened in Italy and China), ICUs are being improvised in lobbies of commandeered motels, then all that changes and the death rate soars.

And that's not even considering the knock-on effects of heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, and cases of appendicitis being unable to be treated at all, anywhere.

I'm not arguing a case for what should be done. I'm just critiquing the article, which I'd suggest is really a sophisticated version of "It's just flu, bro."

[Chester]

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%.Right. But this soon breaks down.

If exactly 100 people, and no more, suddenly got sick with this thing in a big modern city, and nothing else exceptional was happening, and all were given the best treatment western medicine could bring to bear, then maybe one person would die. (Maybe no-one at all!)

But when the healthcare system is all collapsed, there are no more respirators or even beds, half the doctors and nurses are sick (and some have died, as has already happened in Italy and China), ICUs are being improvised in lobbies of commandeered motels, then all that changes and the death rate soars.

And that's not even considering the knock-on effects of heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, and cases of appendicitis being unable to be treated at all, anywhere.

I'm not arguing a case for what should be done. I'm just critiquing the article, which I'd suggest is really a sophisticated version of "It's just flu, bro."

That is understood, but is a separate potential reality that may (and sadly... likely) manifest more and more across the globe as it already has in Italy and elsewhere.

The theme of this thread was to consider the more extreme claims about the virus may be just that... extreme.

There are additional comments I could make but they are personal comments... meaning, they are comments I make to myself with regards to how I emotionally and mentally deal with my responsibilities to my family and community regardless of what's behind the virus, regardless how real it may be proven to have been, but based on the reality created by the perception of those in my community and, as that expands all the way to the global perception... because perception is driving everything.

Is it possible there will be moments where hospitals may be overwhelmed? Yes, there already have been... but those cases do not have to be the reality experienced by every hospital on Earth and likely will not be (in my opinion). Are there shortages in the now moment in a locations here or there with regard to protective gear required by health care workers? In some places here in the US, this is already a reality. Is mobilization of remedy active? Most certainly. Will all escape, most certainly not.

I understand locking onto a single statement in that article and then using that as a springboard to state that even if true, it may not matter, certainly it won't matter where health care is overwhelmed, but don't we have to consider how a reader might react when we post at times like this? Speaking for myself, I think so... and I strive to provide reasonably accredited third party sourced information when it is hopeful and I feel, helpful.

Here's a great example... panic leads to hording, hording of N95 masks which health care workers need now.

I feel I have a responsibility to be careful as to what I project with regards to what I post.

[DaveToo]

I will tell anyone who is seriously considering this as a viable solution, it will absolutely not fly. Society will collapse well before the virus takes its course (if we accept this solution) and we the people will be subject to a fascist geopolitical bureaucratic/dictatorship tasked to manage the crisis. It is the only logical outcome. I can almost promise authoritarian government will come to pass well before the virus clears through the population, as there will be no other way to manage the ensuing chaos... People without food, shelter, clothing, and the basic resources for survival will demand it. With pitch forks and baseball bats....

In this milieu, many, many more people will die, by a factor of 100x, from democide and societal collapse than from the virus.

Alternatively:

We can endure a brief shutdown to catch our breaths--maybe two weeks maximum, and with a clear end date--and then reboot the economy come hell or high water. Yes, some people will sill contract the virus and some people will still die. I am not suggesting the government (remember we the people are the government) sit back and do nothing to combat the pandemic... nor do we sit back and go about our business and hope herd immunity takes hold without any planning; if this is a crisis, real or promulgated, I'm suggesting we aggressively mobilize the economy, similar to WWII, and stop producing cell phones and flat-screens and sport cars (among other things) and focus our collective effort on producing the following:


...Whatever the case, a nine-month lockdown/allowing for global economic collapse/ushering in government assistance for our very survival (with conditions)/Marshal Law, ensuing Hyperinflation, etc., etc., is not the answer. Throwing out Constitutional Government is not the answer...

I share your concern T Smith as probably most here at Avalon also do.
I am currently not as pessimistic as you are.

The key is to study data from previous pandemics. This is something the MSM purposely ignores.
Do research. Put in the time. Dig up graphs from the 2009 Swine flu pandemic that infected more than 1 billion people worldwide.
Realize that when all was said and done, when it died out, it had a CFR (case fatality rate) of .02% or approximately 200,000 deaths in 2009.

There was a slight downturn in newly reported COVID-19 cases yesterday. Let's keep our eyes firmly planted on these numbers.

And keep these key facts front and center:

- The H1N1 death toll was lower than the global death toll for typical flu seasons, as estimated by the WHO.

- Up to 650,000 deaths annually are associated with respiratory diseases from seasonal influenza, according to estimates by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US-CDC), the World Health Organization and global health partners.

[shaberon]

The info about the virus was available to the public and to politicians alike by February...actually much before that. So that seems like a bit of a red herring and typical right/left gotcha politics from the usual suspects.



I have no idea what the public may have been told early on. However there are four senators (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488593-four-senators-sold-stocks-before-coronavirus-threat-crashed-market) who dumped loads of stocks, apparently after a Jan. 24 classified hearing, from then until around Feb. 16. Of course, they all deny having any knowledge of what the accountants may be doing with their investments. But it is a pretty strong, one-sided thing.

It "looks suspicious" even if you are a nobody looking at something else.

Because I have closely observed numerous investigations, I would go so far as to say that most crimes that have been committed have a "bonanza" like this sitting somewhere, and the difficulty is getting evidence to link to the suspect that a jury will support. Since they are able to say, we are not responsible, our agents did this automatically, it would be very difficult to push in court. It does not seem like political noise against Burr and the others, but it does seem like insider trading based on classified information.

If so then it sounds like they are unaware of anything resembling the virus being "given" to the Chinese public, or they would have sold a long time ago.

I think I heard about the outbreak in early January, but not to the extent of "sell everything" and shuttering the businesses.

I don't really know if it was engineered at Fort Dietrick or evolved on its own in the wild, but, I don't think there is a need to replace a disease name with a slanderous one. The President is thick enough to have been found crossing out "Corona" from his recent press briefing (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-20/Photo-of-Trump-s-notes-shows-Chinese-written-over-Corona--P0tJJM0nYY/index.html) and over-writing "Chinese" with a fat black marker.

[happyuk]

People need to stop being terrified. Two main reasons.

First: the data, the science, when understood and examined, show this virus is not "worse" than several of the others that were predicted to cause worldwide destruction (they didn’t). There is a ton of info, all of it pointing to favourable outcomes in the medium term. The fear is worse than the disease for the vast number of people.

Second and more controversial perhaps: A persisting state of fear is unwarranted for people who have an eternal life perspective as do many Christians. People may recall that writers throughout the centuries marvelled that it was Christians who cared for the ill during plagues and upon battlefields, sometimes losing their lives in the process. But Christians do not think life ends at human death.

A couple of years ago I was introduced to the book, Imagine Heaven, by John Burke. This serious presentation offers a systematic understanding of the Near Death Experiences and then connects the consistent features of the worldwide NDE reports with passages right in the Old and New Testaments. This book answers the final question for Christians: what happens when you die? Aside from 'Autobiography of a Yogi' this is the second most important book I’ve read in my life. It is a life changer.

[Tangri]

Some question why Italy was caught off guard when the virus outbreak was revealed on Feb. 21.

Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

Calculate again " The speed of transmission "

Humanity , you are conned. Please, do not willingly sign any contract.

PS:Turkish citizens who are older than 65-year-old will be restricted from leaving their homes amid coronavirus measures, the Interior Ministry said on Saturday.

[animovado]

The following two articles might shed a better light on the situation in Bergamo/Italy with its high mortality in the increased risk categories of higher age and pre-existing illness:

21 October 2019 - 14:37
Influenza vaccine: 185,000 doses ordered in Bergamo
A campaign in collaboration between ATS, ASST and family doctors

The 2019-2020 anti-influenza and anti-pneumococcal campaign organized by the Agenzia di Tutela della Salute (Health Protection Agency) and by the ASST (Aziende Socio Sanitarie Territoriali (Territorial Social Health Companies)) of the province of Bergamo in collaboration with the Family Doctors will start on 4 November (2019).
"The primary objective is the prevention of serious and complicated forms of flu and the reduction of mortality in groups at increased risk of serious disease - begins the ATS Bergamo health director Carlo Alberto Tersalvi - The patients aged 65 and over , and those included in ADI / ADP programs or who are bed / disabled, can contact their doctor for the free administration of the vaccine, at the times indicated by the individual doctor. Children and adults under the age of 65, belonging to the risk categories, can contact the ASST Vaccinal Center of residence, at the locations and times indicated by the same Center ".
"Last year 154,000 doses of flu vaccine were purchased and about 141,000 doses of vaccine were administered, of which approximately 129,000 to subjects over the age of 65, with a vaccination coverage of 56.2% - explains Dr. Giancarlo Malchiodi , Director of the UOC Preventive Medicine in the Communities, Department of Hygiene and Health Prevention, Bergamo ATS - 185,000 doses of vaccine have been ordered this year. The calendars with places and times for vaccinations are being defined by the ASST and will be available shortly on the ASST sites themselves ".
The flu vaccination is offered free of charge to the following risk categories:
Persons aged 65 or over (born in 1954 and earlier);
Children over 6 months of age and adults with chronic diseases, such as:
- chronic diseases affecting the respiratory system; cardio-circulatory system diseases; diabetes mellitus and other metabolic diseases; tumors; chronic liver diseases; kidney disease with chronic kidney failure;
- pathologies for which important surgical interventions are planned; chronic inflammatory diseases and intestinal malabsorption syndromes; diseases of the hematopoietic organs and hemoglobinopathies; congenital or acquired diseases involving deficient antibody production, drug-induced immunosuppression or HIV;
- neuromuscular diseases associated with increased risk of aspiration of respiratory secretions;
Children and adolescents on long-term treatment with acetylsalicylic acid, at risk of Reye's syndrome in the event of a flu infection;
Women who are pregnant at the beginning of the epidemic season;
People living with high risk subjects;
Persons admitted to health and social-healthcare facilities for long-term patients;
Doctors and health care personnel;
Staff who, for work reasons, are in contact with animals that could constitute a source of infection with non-human flu viruses (certified by the competent doctor: breeders, workers in the breeding activity, workers in the transport of live animals, slaughterers, veterinarians) ;
Police and firefighters
Blood donors.
(...)
(source (in Italian): https://www.bergamonews.it/2019/10/21/vaccinazione-antinfluenzale-a-bergamo-ordinate-185-000-dosi-di-vaccino/332164/ )

And now this one (I hope that I am totally wrong in seeing a connection here):

Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study

A recent military study shows military personnel evaluated who received the flu vaccine were at 36 percent increased risk for coronavirus with varied benefit in preventing some strains of the flu.
“Examining noninfluenza viruses specifically, the odds of both coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in vaccinated individuals were significantly higher when compared to unvaccinated individuals (OR = 1.36 and 1.51, respectively) (Table 5).”
The flu vaccine studied demonstrated varied benefit in flu prevention – – some strains showed significant benefit while others did not.
Titled, Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season, the report on the study addresses the phenomena of vaccine virus interference of the influenza vaccine. (…)
(source: https://www.disabledveterans.org/2020/03/11/flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-risk/)

[shaberon]

Senator Burr is already being sued for the sales of stock (https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/burr-sued-over-controversial-stock-sales/19026735/), due to violating the violating the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge, or STOCK, Act, a piece of legislation that:

Burr was one of only three senators to vote against it.


The initial report suggested that "accountants handle all the stock" and now:

Burr has said that he "relied solely on public news reports" to guide his decision to sell stocks...(CNBC Asia being so informative)

I suppose, legal or not, it was "virus panic".

[onawah]

It's all about MANDATORY VACCINES (in case you were in any doubt, but if you were, this is a good place to start)
(Well, not ALL, but this virus scare is a big part of the push to shoot us all up with lots and lots of toxins, which will make us sick, kills us and make us much easier to manage by the elite who want total control of everything. Of course, add to the list chemtrails, fluoride, glysophate, 5G, etc. )

Focusing just on the US:)
The National Plan to Vaccinate Every American
3/21/2020
https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-Ne...m_medium=email
by Barbara Loe Fisher

Podcast Available on SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/nvicstandup/t...every-american
(Also posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1343249&viewfull=1#post1343249 )

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"Scientists at the National Institutes of Health are working with a biotech company to quickly start clinical trials of an experimental messenger RNA vaccine and fast track it to licensure. 1 The FDA has not yet licensed messenger RNA vaccines that use part of the RNA of a virus to manipulate the body’s immune system into stimulating a potent immune response. 2 3 It looks like the coronavirus vaccine will be the first genetically engineered messenger RNA vaccine to be fast tracked to licensure, just like Gardasil was the first genetically engineered virus-like particle vaccine to be fast tracked to licensure. 4 5

There likely will be lots of questions about whether the fast tracked coronavirus vaccine was studied long enough to adequately demonstrate safety, especially for people who have trouble resolving strong inflammatory responses in their bodies and may be at greater risk for vaccine reactions.6 7 8 9 10 However, there is no question about what will happen if the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) 11 12 recommends that all Americans get the newly licensed coronavirus vaccine.

The government has a National Vaccine Plan. It is a Plan designed to make sure you, your child and everyone in America gets every dose of every vaccine that government officials recommend now and in the future.1986-1996: Establishing & Creating The Plan
Established under the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act during the Reagan Administration, 13 the Plan didn’t really get traction until Congress funded the Vaccines for Children program in 1993 under the Clinton Administration 14 15 and gave the Department of Health and Human Services authority to fund a network of state-based electronic vaccine tracking registries 16 that can monitor the vaccination histories of children without the informed consent of their parents.

In 1995, then Secretary of Health Donna Shalala used rule-making authority to authorize the Social Security Administration to disclose the social security number of every baby born in the country to state governments without parental consent.17 Federal officials explained that – quote - “public health program uses of the social security numbers would include, but are not limited to, establishing immunization registries” and that new routine use of social security numbers would help the government operate “a national network of coordinated statewide immunization registries.” 18

By 1996, when Congress established a national Electronic Health Records (EHR) system under HIPPA, 19 the stage had been set for a government-operated electronic surveillance system to monitor the personal medical records and vaccination status of all Americans. 20 21 22 23 The justification for this big data grab by the government, which clearly violated the privacy of Americans, was to- quote - “protect the public by reducing disease.”Nationwide Electronic Health Records & Vaccine Tracking Systems
Today, the nationwide federally funded Electronic Health Records system captures the details of every visit you make to a doctor’s office, hospital, pharmacy, laboratory or other medical facility; every medical diagnosis you get; every drug you have been prescribed and every vaccine you accept or refuse. Your Electronic Health Record can be accessed not only by government health agencies like the Social Security Administration, Medicaid and federal and state health and law enforcement agencies, 24 25 but also can be shared with authorized third parties such as doctors, health insurance companies, HMOs and other corporations, hospitals, labs, nursing homes and medical researchers. 26 27 28A new Health Information Exchange 29 30 31 initiative funded by the government will make it even easier for computerized health and vaccine records databases to tag, track down and sanction Americans who do not go along with the National Vaccine Plan in the future. 32 33 34 35 36 37 38

What Happened to the Plan’s Duty to Prevent Adverse Reactions to Vaccines?
Ironically, when Congress directed the Department of Health and Human Services to create a National Vaccine Program in the 1986 Act, federal health officials were told to put together a Plan to – quote - “achieve optimal prevention of human infectious diseases through immunization and to achieve optimal prevention against adverse reactions to vaccines.” 39 The Plan was not supposed to focus solely on vaccine development and promotion but to equally focus on preventing vaccine reactions.

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Yet, in the very first 1994 National Vaccine Plan only four out of 25 “objectives” and only two out of 14 anticipated “outcomes” addressed preventing vaccine reactions. 40 The 2010 version of the Plan 41 also largely ignored the legal duty of HHS to conduct vaccine safety research to fill in long standing knowledge gaps and take steps to make vaccines and vaccine policies less likely to cause harm. 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52

Looking back, it appears Congress was not really committed to funding research and creating substantive initiatives to reduce vaccine risks, regardless of what was stated in the 1986 Act, or there would been congressional oversight and federal agencies would have been directed to follow the law rather than ignore it for more than 30 years. 53

Government’s Vaccine Marketing Plan for the Pharmaceutical Industry
Instead, government agencies have brazenly forged lucrative public private business partnerships with the pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment to:
develop many new vaccines; 54 55 56 57
increase public demand for vaccines; 58
raise vaccination rates among children to nearly 100 percent; 59
create and expand electronic vaccine tracking registries; 60 61 62 63 64 and
promote global vaccination programs, 65 66 even though the primary purpose of the 1986 Act was to reduce vaccine reactions and protect the U.S. childhood vaccine supply, 67 not fund and expand global vaccination programs.
In fact, federal health officials accurately characterize the U.S. vaccination system in the 21st century as a business. A decade ago they admitted that – quote -“The 2010 National Vaccine Plan provides a vision for the U.S. vaccine and immunization enterprise for the next decade.” 68 That’s because they know the National Vaccine Plan is really a Vaccine Marketing Plan for the pharmaceutical industry. 69 70 71 72So, if you are wondering why many states are trying to pass laws eliminating all vaccine exemptions and mandate every vaccine the pharmaceutical industry produces and the CDC recommends, 73 74 75 76 you don’t have to look any further than the government’s well-financed National Vaccine Plan.

Implementation of The Plan Accelerated in 2011
Implementation of the Plan was accelerated in 2011 after the U.S. Supreme Court declared FDA licensed vaccines to be –quote - “unavoidably unsafe” for the purpose of removing almost all remaining liability from drug companies when vaccines hurt people. 77 78

Since 2011, two powerful CDC-appointed vaccine advisory committees influenced by members associated with the pharmaceutical and medical trade industries – the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) 79 80 81 82 83 and the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC) 84 85 86 – have been busy coming up with new ways to meet strategic goals of the National Vaccine Plan.

When highly publicized cases of measles were reported in California’s Disneyland in 2015 87 and in New York in 2019, 88 89 with military precision pursuit of the Plan was kicked into even high gear. 90 91

During the past five years, California, Vermont, New York, Maine and Hawaii have lost vaccine exemptions, even though tens of thousands of Americans rose up in protest. 92 In 2019, the people managed to hold on to exemptions in states like Oregon, Arizona and New Jersey 93 but this year, bills to force vaccine use are already threatening parental, civil and human rights in Virginia, Massachusetts, Florida, Washington, Pennsylvania and more. 94

Five Main Types of Vaccine Laws Being Proposed in States
These are the five main types of laws being proposed in the states and your state may be one of them:Number One: State laws that eliminate all personal belief vaccine exemptions allowing you to follow your conscience or religious beliefs and make it illegal for physicians to grant a medical exemption unless it strictly conforms to very narrow CDC-approved contraindications to vaccination.

National vaccine coverage rates among school children are at 95 percent for core vaccines like polio, pertussis, measles and chickenpox, yet, government health officials are not satisfied. 95 They have narrowed vaccine contraindications so that almost no medical history or health condition qualifies as a reason for a medical exemption. 96

If you or your child have had previous vaccine reactions, are vaccine injured, have a brother or sister who was injured or died after vaccination, or are suffering with a brain or immune system disorder that the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) does not consider to be a contraindication to vaccination, states like California 97 98 are denying physicians the right to exercise professional judgment and give children a medical exemption to vaccination are threatening human rights. 99

No wonder less than one percent of vaccine reactions are ever reported to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System 100 and doctors feel free to discriminate against and deny medical care to anyone who is not vaccinated according to CDC schedules. 101

Laws that eliminate medical, religious and conscience exemptions to vaccination and ban citizens from getting a school education – even a college education – do violate civil and human rights and so do vaccine mandates by employers who fire or refuse to hire workers based on their vaccination status. 102 103 104 The two professions being targeted first for workplace vaccine mandates are healthcare 105 106 107 and childcare workers, 108 109 but they certainly will not be the last. 110Number Two: State laws that turn unelected members of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices into de facto lawmakers and automatically mandate all current and future federally recommended vaccines without any public discussion or vote by duly elected state legislators.

Under the U.S. Constitution, state legislatures hold the majority of power to pass public health laws, so vaccine laws are state laws. 111 112 If states hand that constitutional authority over to an unelected federal government committee, the people no longer can work through their elected state representatives to make sure laws do not force involuntary medical risk taking and punish citizens exercising civil and human rights. 113

It is clear that Pharma and medical trade lobbyists partnering with government officials to implement the National Vaccine Plan are unhappy they have to spend so much time and money trying to strong arm state legislators into mandating every CDC recommended vaccine. At the same time, some politicians are not happy that a growing number of Americans are showing up in state Capitols to oppose oppressive vaccine mandates.

Today, it costs a staggering $3,000 to give a child every one of the 69 doses of 16 vaccines on the federal government’s schedule. 114 In addition to coronavirus vaccine, there are more than a dozen experimental vaccines being fast tracked to market for TB, influenza, HIV/AIDS, gonorrhea, herpes simplex, strep A and B, e-coli, RSV, salmonella, and malaria, 115 with several hundred more being developed in a global vaccine market estimated to balloon to nearly $100 billion by 2026. 116 117

State laws that automatically mandate all federally recommended vaccines are handing Big Pharma a big blank check and putting an unknown number of vaccine vulnerable children and adults at risk for serious health problems if they are forced to use every one of them. 118 119 120 121 122

Number Three: State laws that allow doctors to declare minor children mentally competent to consent to vaccination so children can be vaccinated without the knowledge of their parents.

There is plenty of scientific evidence that children’s brains are not developed enough before or during teenage years to support rational benefit and risk decision-making, especially if they are subjected to pressure. 123 124 Giving doctors the legal authority to, in effect, go behind parents’ backs and persuade a minor child to get liability free vaccines violates the legal right of parents to consent to medical interventions performed on their children. 125 It also puts vaccine vulnerable children at greater risk for suffering reactions. 126Parents know their child’s personal and family medical history best and if parents are left in the dark, not only are they blocked from preventing vaccine reactions but there is no way for them to monitor a child after vaccination for signs of reactions so they can immediately take their child for treatment. 127

Number Four: State laws requiring schools to publicly post vaccine coverage rates for the purpose of shaming schools that allow students with vaccine exemptions to receive a school education.

Publicly posting school vaccination rates and numbers of students with exemptions creates a hostile community environment by targeting certain schools and families, whose children have vaccine exemptions, for discrimination and abuse. 128 129 130

It is an illusion that some schools are safer based on vaccination rates. For example, even schools with 100 percent vaccination rates and zero exemptions have had outbreaks of pertussis 131 and schools with very high vaccination rates have had outbreaks of measles and mumps. 132 133 That is because vaccinated children and adults can get infected with and transmit infectious diseases but sometimes show few or no symptoms and are never diagnosed or reported. 134 135 136 137 138 139 140

Children and teachers interact with many other vaccinated and unvaccinated people outside of the school setting. It is discriminatory to require public posting of the numbers of healthy students with vaccine exemptions, when schools are not required to publicly post the numbers of students who are infected with transmissible diseases like hepatitis B and C, HIV, streptococcal, mononucleosis, cytomegalovirus, e-coli, Fifths disease, herpes simplex and more.

Number Five: State laws that operate vaccine tracking registries and integrate them into Electronic Health Records systems without the consent of those being tracked.

The National Vaccine Information Center has a two-decade public record of opposing the creation of national or state based electronic surveillance systems that automatically enroll children and adults without their informed consent to monitor their vaccination status and health histories. 141

Not only have there been past security breaches with electronic databases dumping personally identifying information into the public domain, 142 but there is legitimate concern that the government should not be conducting electronic surveillance on citizens while pursuing a National Vaccine Plan that encourages punitive societal sanctions, such as the inability to get a school education or a job, for individuals who refuse to go along with the Plan.

Learn About Federal & State Government Police Powers to Compel Vaccine Use
For more information on the history and types of public health laws that allow the federal government and states to use police powers to compel vaccine use, go to NVIC’s website at NVIC.org. 143 144

To learn more about vaccine legislation pending in your state and talking points you can use to educate your legislators, go to NVIC Advocacy.org and become a user of NVIC’s free online Advocacy Portal. You will be put into direct contact with your own state and federal representatives and sent emails when bills that threaten or expand your freedom to make voluntary vaccine choices are moving in your state so you can make your voice heard, including showing up at scheduled public hearings.

Making Government Work for Us
In America, we are governed by laws that the representatives we elect make, so it is important to vet all candidates for positions on issues you care about before going to the polls. Good laws can be enacted and bad laws can be repealed but only if we wake up, stand up and actively participate to make our representative government work for us.

Already this year, there have been more than 50 good bills introduced in a number of states that defend voluntary vaccine choices. This is a time for positive action.

It’s your health. Your family. Your choice.

Note: This commentary provides referenced information and perspective on a topic related to vaccine science, policy, law or ethics being discussed in public forums and by U.S. lawmakers. The websites of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) provide information and perspective of federal agencies responsible for vaccine research, development, regulation and policymaking."

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[ErtheVessel]

I'm a bit confused about which thread to post in, as the main Coronavirus thread also contains a fair number of contrary views, but I will stick with this one, as this is where I originally posted.

I was prompted by the 60 Minutes video posted in the main Coronavirus thread in Post #2422 to consider what I believe to be a remarkable lack of investigative journalism by any credible source with regards to this whole "pandemic." I did, however, find the following article in a local paper. It describes how hospitals in the area are preparing for an overwhelming surge of patients with Covid-19 which has not yet materialized. The calm before the storm? I don't know. I still don't know anybody who is sick or know anybody who knows anybody who is sick.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-when-will-bay-area-hospitals-see-surge-in-patients/

Perhaps there will be a surge of patients. No one really know yet.

With regards to hospitals being overwhelmed, I live in a reasonably affluent region of the San Francisco Bay Area, so the medical care here throughout the region is fairly sophisticated and well-funded. In my own experience of caring for my aging and dying parents in the last number of years, I've had the experience of being with them numbers of times in local hospitals as they suffered their decline and were administered hospital care. In every single instance, the availability of hospital beds and ICU beds seemed to always be a dicey thing.

What I'm saying is this: Even in a reasonably affluent area with well-staffed and well-funded hospitals, the hospitals are close to full even in times of non-pandemic. My point being that an influx of even 20 people with Covid-19 could potentially be problematic even here. I can see that there would be a much greater cause for urgency and subsequent alarm in areas with fewer hospitals and fewer financial resources. How to gauge this from country to country and region to region? There is no one doing any meaningful investigation. No one in the media connecting the dots or asking intelligent questions. There is no voice of reason or intelligent questioning of data.

On that note, here is an update from Dr. Pamela Popper, whose video I previously posted in Post #65.

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In the interest of full disclosure, I had my own run-in with an extremely virulent flu last year, just around this time. It began at the end of March last year and lasted through at least mid-May. I felt just overall lousy for a week or so, and then the extreme fatigue set in. Next came a severe sore throat, high fever and the wracking cough began. Deep chills, to the bone. In every way I have heard, what I had last year sounds exactly like this new Covid-19. The shortness of breath I experienced was quite alarming. I could barely walk to the kitchen and stand up long enough to cook myself a meal. Not an exaggeration. I am normally pretty stoic when it comes to illness.

If I were a normal person, I would have gone to the emergency room and probably been hospitalized with a ventilator and a glucose drip, etc. But for me, I would actually rather die than do that. And I really, genuinely thought I might die. I tried every conceivable herbal or supplemental treatment I had on hand and nothing worked. And I have been treating myself, successfully, for a number of years with my own knowledge of herbs, supplements and homeopathy. Absolutely nothing worked. What I finally ended up doing was going to a Chinese herbalist in a nearby city. For me, this is what worked. It took me a long time to recover and for the shortness of breath to heal, but this ancient, traditional herbal medicine was the turning point for me.

My point in bringing this up is that I am well-aware of the potential of dying from a severe flu virus. I've been there. I am not saying people are not getting sick and not dying from Covid-19. (By the way, I have no idea where I got the virus, did not know anyone else who had it, and did not give it to anyone that I know. I did know a mental health professional in San Francisco who I was in contact with at that time, and he told me that he did know of a few other people who seemed to have the same nasty bug. But it did not make it's way into the news, in spite of how deadly it was.)

I have no conclusions yet. All I can say is there is stuff going on that just does not add up.

[ErtheVessel]

This is interesting. The article from the East Bay Times that I linked to above had changed from the time I copied it to the time I posted it. I guess online news sources do that regularly. In any case, I've copied and pasted the original article below, as I still had it open on my search engine:

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Coronavirus: When will Bay Area hospitals see surge in patients?
Hospital and nursing union leaders say they haven't seen a crush of patients — yet

By EMILY DERUY | ederuy@bayareanewsgroup.com and JOHN WOOLFOLK | jwoolfolk@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: March 24, 2020 at 12:10 p.m. | UPDATED: March 24, 2020 at 2:12 p.m.

This story is available to all readers in the interest of public safety. Please consider supporting our coverage of the coronavirus outbreak by subscribing to East Bay Times. Only 99¢ for a 3-month trial.

Even as they frantically stock up on protective gear and jump through the hoops of converting regular rooms to intensive care beds, Bay Area hospitals say they are not yet seeing the surge in coronavirus patients that state officials have warned is on the way.

So when will it come?

Santa Clara County, the most stricken in the Bay Area, reported that out of 375 confirmed coronavirus cases since Jan. 31, 125 have required hospitalization. A Bay Area News Group analysis of the county’s posted hospitalization figures shows they have risen sharply this month, from just one Feb. 29 to 21 a week later, 56 a week after that and 125 today. The figures are cumulative, however, so some hospitalized early on may have since been released.

Few other Bay Area county health departments have publicly reported hospitalizations. Contra Costa County health officials said they just recently asked their eight local hospitals to report, but have yet to hear from two of them. They reported 8 patients Sunday and 12 Monday.

Solano County reported seven of its 21 confirmed cases required hospitalization, though the status of nine cases was unclear, and Marin said five of its 47 cases were hospitalized.

But the timing of the widespread surge is impossible to know exactly. Gov. Newsom this week called for California hospitals to add a staggering 50,000 beds to address a coming wave of patients, and officials are scrambling to add temporary facilities across the state, repurposing convention centers, deploying a hospital ship and taking over soon-to-be shuttered facilities.

“I am sad to have to say the worst is yet to come,” San Francisco Public Health Chief Grant Colfax said this week. “Every community where the virus has taken hold has seen a surge in coronavirus patients who need to be hospitalized. We expect that to happen in San Francisco in a week or two or perhaps less.”

But a variety of hospital administrators and union officials who represent nurses and other healthcare workers told the Bay Area News Group in interviews it’s not here yet.

The coronavirus cases come at the tail end of influenza season, a disease that has frustratingly similar symptoms. According to the most recent influenza report from the California Department of Public Health, flu hospitalizations are “above expected levels” and the disease has killed at least 658 in the state this season. The report includes figures from Kaiser Permanente Northern California that show 4,636 patients visited its hospitals for flu-like symptoms that didn’t require intensive care, 761 others required intensive care and 346 died.

In the backdrop of a growing pandemic, the numbers are vital for experts to gauge just how severe the toll of the outbreak will be, and whether dramatic efforts to force 40 million Californians to stay home are working.

Before the crisis, an Urban Institute report found most Bay Area counties had less than one empty hospital bed per 1,000 residents — far fewer than in less populous parts of the country. Still, the Bay Area is better off when it comes to ICU beds than other parts of California. A report from Kaiser Health News found that while there are hundreds of ICU beds in the Bay Area, some counties — like Colusa, Mariposa, Calaveras and Trinity — have none at all.

Still, even as they prepare for a surge, hospitals are hoping the statewide stay-home order will keep from overwhelming the system.

“We’re seeing so far it’s working really well,” said Good Samaritan Hospital’s chief nursing officer, Mark Brown of his San Jose facility. But, he added, “time will tell.”

Hospital officials in the East Bay and South Bay echoed Brown’s comments, saying that overall emergency room traffic was down, with people seemingly staying home in all but the most dire situations.

“It’s a tough thing to pin down,” said Ben Drew of John Muir Health in Walnut Creek. “We are hoping that that will flatten the curve and we wont have the big surges we’ve seen in Italy.”

Still, Drew said, his hospital, like others, is moving forward with stocking up on supplies and converting certain areas to receive COVID-19 patients.

“We are closely watching and examining what happened in New York where the situation changed dramatically over the course of a few days,” Drew said. “We’re focused on preparing as best we can for a similar situation.”

At Stanford, Kathy Stormberg, a nurse and executive in the hospital’s nursing union, agreed.

She didn’t offer specific numbers but said nurses are reporting that the current number of COVID-19 patients, Stormberg said, are actually fairly low, “which has been good news.”

Still, she said, she’s been pushing Stanford to do more long-term planning, including finding housing for nurses who already commute hours to work but may be called to work extra shifts or want to isolate themselves from their families.

And her members, like other nurses around the state, are grappling with constantly changing guidelines. Recently, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lowered standards for the protective gear required to work with patients suspected of having COVID-19.

“That was very confusing and upsetting for people,” Stormberg said, adding that it seemed to be “based on the overall supply chain issues throughout the United States,” not the disease itself.

“We don’t know how long our supplies are lasting or anticipated to last,” she said. “We are looking at extended wear.”

Nurses at Good Samaritan Hospital have also expressed concerns, saying they haven’t been able to get tested for the virus even after possible exposure.

In a statement, the hospital said, “The law states that it is not the hospital’s decision to test or not. Good Sam cannot make the determination whom to test. It is the CDC ultimately who makes that decision. The Santa Clara County Department of Public Health makes the recommendations.”

The sense of fear is widespread, with nurses elsewhere reporting a palpable sense of uncertainty and stress, with daily updates at shift changes on ever-changing protocols.

Newsom on Monday evening said officials are working to collect massive amounts of medical supplies to distribute to healthcare workers across the state, including 1 billion medical gloves, 500 million N95 masks, and 200 million face shields. In some cases, officials are turning to private companies for help. On Monday, Newsom said, Tesla’s Elon Musk had delivered 1,000 ventilators to Los Angeles, making good on an earlier promise.

Brown, at Good Samaritan Hospital, said his team had just gotten a shipment of around 96,000 N95 masks from reserves, far more than the 50,000 he’d requested.

“That’s a game changer for us,” he said, adding that the supply “could potentially last six to nine months.”

The shelter in place order, Brown said, “helped a lot when it comes to cutting down our volume. People aren’t coming in unnecessarily.”
Across the state, hospitals are postponing elective surgeries and turning to telemedicine to ease the crush, in some cases slowing the day-to-day pace at hospitals as they wait for the anticipated coronavirus surge.

Still, hospital officials are looking to other countries for clues about what’s coming in the Bay Area.

“We haven’t been tasked with anything like this,” Brown said. “We learn from history.”

[Bo Atkinson]

In all open mindedness, here is some brave testimony of why and how more disclosure are needed in this epidemic, even if it is discussed impromptu, by a well spoken naturopath and free thinker, Amandha Vollmer BSc, Diploma of Naturopathic Medicine, Herbalist, Wildcrafter,
- Fake Virus Pandemic to Usher in UN 2030-
Posted Mar 23, 2020
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(This is not meant to refute any other post, but rather meant to keep on demanding fuller evidence and disclosure of all aspects of the epidemic, until the bigger picture is better understood.)

[Ratszinger]

The reaction by all the governments of the world tells us all quite loudly this is not what it appears and it's unprecedented so without a doubt they all know this is an attack on them. Because the entire world is not raining down holy terror on top of China right now it does speak to it being accidental but at the same time the reaction tells us they know the seriousness of it. I still think it's targeting specific people, perhaps a culture but more than likely specific genetic markers connected to bloodlines. I'm currently digging out old med. books from school trying to see if there are any mentions of changes that occurred or that were observed physiologically in those known to consume human flesh regularly. I know there are specific symptoms that develop over time in these tribes of peoples that did this including facial and other body changes but I'm finding very little on blood. We'll have to see how many of the elite classes it continues to infect. One thing certain. Prince Charles cannot be arrested so this myth that it's all a cover for mass arrests doesn't ring true for me like being under attack does.

[Soda]

I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?

[Bill Ryan]

I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?Many celebrities, politicians and high profile sportspeople have the means to ask to be tested straight away if they think they might have a problem. It's simply a matter of privilege (and of course, money).

The real significance in the numbers of well-known people testing positive is that it simply means it's VERY widespread in the whole population. We're just seeing the outcome of a well-tested sample here. Less privileged people simply aren't getting tested.

[shaberon]

An Oregon physician (https://www.rt.com/usa/484101-federalist-voluntary-infection-coronavirus/) is taking flak for speaking my same idea in, of all places, The Federalist.

It's called voluntary infection.

He says by exposing those at low risk of “severe complications” to Covid-19, we will create a “herd immunity,” which is how many diseases used to be suppressed. One such example he uses to back up this theory is “chickenpox parties,” where one child in a neighborhood would be infected with chickenpox and the rest of the neighborhood would purposefully get their children infected.

This is probably not the thing to do with Plague, Ebola, Anthrax, etc., but in this case it seems more like a scenario of: you can't hide. Not in the long term.

We are getting more local shutdowns, curfews in urban areas, I cannot imagine how much police time is going to be spent at night stopping people to see if they have a work permit, or what kind of a mess that might turn into.

[Soda]

I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?Many celebrities, politicians and high profile sportspeople have the means to ask to be tested straight away if they think they might have a problem. It's simply a matter of privilege (and of course, money).

The real significance in the numbers of well-known people testing positive is that it simply means it's VERY widespread in the whole population. We're just seeing the outcome of a well-tested sample here. Less privileged people simply aren't getting tested.

Very well Bill! It is fabulous to be able to talk out "the crazy" here without being ridiculed. Anyone reading my comment please understand I wasn't trying to give life to or propel silly rumors - it was a genuine thought I wanted to express when I heard about Prince Charles. ;)Thanks! And Bill I owe you another response in another thread -- haven't forgotten! You are way to efficient at keeping up with all threads on your forum.

[Philippe]

Philippe. I absolutely agree on all you wrote. I would not be surprised at all, if over time, there will be more people dying indirectly because of the consequences of the impact of this out of proportion shut down, than from the Virus itself.


Just to pick up my line of questioning in my post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1342523&viewfull=1#post1342523

Where do we stand today with the death rates ?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries



Coronavirus Cases:
466,752

Deaths:
21,148




Recovered:
113,807

Am not going to chase more statistics but it seems far away from the final death figure of the SARS epidemic. ( I seriously doubt the Mike Adams apocalyptic views, he may still have unresolved past apocalypses in his subconscious mind .)

All the panic is because of the violence of this new virus and the deaths that occur all in short time frame. If one spreads out these deceases of mostly old and already sick and damaged people over the year the picture becomes totally different.
The violent virus became the tipping point that pushes these persons in the grave in a short period. That causes the panic measures.

I do not want to sound harsh playing down the drama but consider the hardship that will be put on societies by driving the economy into bankruptcy.
Mind you I do not care about the American billionaires and especially the GAFA going bankrupt and their monopolies broken up. I think of all the honest medium and small sized companies, the entrepreneurs, the workers and their families.

The suspicious side of this virus has been well explained. We are being played and must not make the situation worse.

[Bill Ryan]

Philippe. I absolutely agree on all you wrote. I would not be surprised at all, if over time, there will be more people dying indirectly because of the consequences of the impact of this out of proportion shut down, than from the Virus itself.


Just to pick up my line of questioning in my post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1342523&viewfull=1#post1342523

Where do we stand today with the death rates ?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Coronavirus Cases:
466,752

Deaths:
21,148

Recovered:
113,807That's a fatality rate of 16%, considering the closed cases only — i.e. only those patients who have either recovered or died.

For the active cases (who haven't recovered yet, but they haven't died either), we don't know the outcome yet. So there's quite a strong argument that they can't be used in any fatality rate calculation. We can only use completed ('closed') cases.

(Of course, this doesn't take into account the cases which are never tested or reported, an unknown number in every country.)

[Philippe]

My attempt to understand the drama is far from complete. Am afraid of worldwide bankruptcies but if you see with what speed and to what extend stimulus and relief packages are being approved one can only wonder about the finality of all this. I have read an analysis how this crisis has already brought about more results than one year of yellow vest revolts in France. Strange times.

[christian]

Where do we stand today with the death rates ?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Coronavirus Cases:
466,752

Deaths:
21,148

Recovered:
113,807That's a fatality rate of 16%, considering the closed cases only — i.e. only those patients who have either recovered or died.

(Of course, this doesn't take into account the cases which are never tested or reported, an unknown number in every country.)

On March 19th, the European Commission explicitly advised its member states that testing those with heavy symptoms has the highest priority. The fewer symptoms, the lower the priority for testing.

The consequence is that death rates are heavily skewed and appear much higher than they really are, taking also in consideration that anyone who dies with the virus is counted as a corona death, regardless of other diseases that might have caused that person's death or at least contributed.

If I think about it, prioritizing testing those with heavy symptoms is not even helping. If anybody now loses their sense of taste and smell, you basically know it's COVID-19. Why then waste a test that you could use on someone with little or no symptoms who might have the virus and would take more precautions if they knew they had the virus?

(Source for the EU Commission's guideline in German (https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/corona-krise-eu-kommisssion-empfiehlt-rangfolge-bei-virus-tests-a-cceb4292-a3bb-4572-84c4-07bc44b3c0b0))

[Ratszinger]

We can't let ourselves forget that even in China in the province where this broke out the death rate, oops so sorry, the infection rate never exceeded 20% even at the peak. What this suggests is that a large part of the pop. was naturally immune to it. They were around it, it was spreading and they simply never got sick from it or had very little in the way of symptoms. This alone to me strongly suggests this will be over soon enough because enough people are already immune to it. I don't think it can be the horror stories we are reading or it would have been that in China. In Italy also many are not getting sick while others around them struggle. Besides this Italy if you don't know is a very 'touchy feely' country and the people are very vibrant and family is quite strong and social. Big gatherings are the norm. This contributed certainly to the spread there. Well, in my opinion. So you know, curb the panic. Even in Hubei province the ground zero site everyone there had the chance to get it and only 3% did. This panic is unwarranted.

[Iloveyou]

An additional voice out there. Though for some he may have lost credibility in the course of the Black Goo stories, here he seems to know what he‘s talking about from his scientific and spiritual background. Not sure yet what to take and what to leave, though I found it interesting to listen.

mQnPm59JiTA

I want to add something: I don‘t know if there are people out there claiming that there are no deaths at all, everything is fake and a hoax. Apparently there are, I did not take notice of that. Of course that’s ridiculous. The tragedy, the suffering is immense and each individual has to find their own ways to deal with it. For people who have lost someone close or who live in a region with overcrowded hospitals and numerous deaths per day further discussions may be secondary, at the moment. Though everyone who is not emotionally dead as a doornail will feel with them compassionately and hold them in their hearts.

On the other hand these hoax-claims may be used to discredit all voices who challenge the dominant narrative of the lethal monster-virus that justifies any and all measures. It may be used to subtly imply that those critics are mindless and heartless creatures who do not care about actual misery and pain.

The vast majority of the critics do not question the suffering and the deaths, they question the causes.

Sorry for the bad English (I know . . ) and for the undertone of anger which admittedly is my domimant emotion in this case.



Brief summary:

“The conversation was conducted in English, more specifically Croatian-English and German-English, with Harald’s being much better than mine.

Given that there are people who do not understand English, I will write briefly what Harald said about the korona virus and this events.

Namely, the corona virus is a common virus from the influenza family and is by no means dangerous or more deadly than a common flu virus. However, this virus appears to be technologically advanced and has features and programs that no ordinary virus has. Harald calls it an weaponized virus. It is based on Nano technology and possible sprayed through air. There are supposedly some AIDS virus sequences, but this is all the information that is currently unavailable, because very little is known about this.

Furthermore, there is a similarity between the symptoms of a corona virus and the body’s exposure to a frequency of 60 GHZ when it binds to oxygen in the body and begins to swirl it in a way that literally dies of suffocation, ie inability to breathe, because blood can’t absorb such oxygen. Such cases have been seen in China when people simply fall down in the street, and it cannot be proven at all whether exposure to the virus or ultra-high frequency radiation is the cause.

Therefore, there is a suspicion that this pandemic is related to the 5G network, which is also not provable at this time.

Treatment methods are detoxification of the body with MMS or with Nano – copper particles, there are other alternative methods and all can be found on the Internet.
Although many people think that in some countries the 5G network is banned, the Harald denies saying that it is banned in some countries for civilian purposes, but the network goes without any problems for military, police, and other commercial-service purposes. So the story of many about how the 5G network is stopped doesn’t hold water.

Harald also added that there is a possibility that the corona virus is a cover story or veil that actually hides the collapse of the banking and monetary system and the complete cancellation of money without cover (fiat money), which is again in the realm of speculation, since no information is officially available about it, but that the pandemic is not the ideal story for a complete upheaval of the economic system, it is. This could do a lot of good for people, but about that thereafter. Furthermore, Harald says that it is not necessary to panic, but to inform and take responsibility in your own hands, not to give others the choice to make decisions for you, which is a very important point so that the agony of humanity does not continue.

We said goodbye with the agreement to meet again.“

[DaveToo]

I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?Many celebrities, politicians and high profile sportspeople have the means to ask to be tested straight away if they think they might have a problem. It's simply a matter of privilege (and of course, money).

The real significance in the numbers of well-known people testing positive is that it simply means it's VERY widespread in the whole population. We're just seeing the outcome of a well-tested sample here. Less privileged people simply aren't getting tested.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/

[Longjohn]

In the unseemly haste of our wise leaders to lockdown their nations, it's not only their economies that might implode. It's worse:

French minister urges jobless to help farmers so 'we may all eat' (http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200325-coronavirus-covid19-food-agriculture-france)

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[TargeT]

I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?Many celebrities, politicians and high profile sportspeople have the means to ask to be tested straight away if they think they might have a problem. It's simply a matter of privilege (and of course, money).

The real significance in the numbers of well-known people testing positive is that it simply means it's VERY widespread in the whole population. We're just seeing the outcome of a well-tested sample here. Less privileged people simply aren't getting tested.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/



I just got off a 16 day quarantine, no clue if I had CORVID-19 but I certainly was "sick" for 3 weeks and had pretty intense bronchitis (lots of coughing). I was VERY sick for about 3/4 days, my SO got over it faster & my mom has not gotten sick.

I first got sick before any test kits were available and self quarantined (with my doctors help, he wrote a note that said I had to be evaluated before returning to work, had to have that work paper!) till I was no longer sick; then there were kits but they would not test me as I was exhibiting no signs (so they will NOT test you unless you are visibly sick here). The only way (and only recently) to test here is by a kit that has to be sent to the CDC, which takes about 2 days for return; however I think there is only one or two confirmed cases currently (which probably means 20+ actual cases, there are 30 test kits out for evaluation as of this post).

There was a tiny bit of panic buying and all the restaurants / bars are closing at 8pm (probably much like the rest of the US) as well as a visible increase in police presence.



So far, to me; this seems like a global psychological experiment paired with a convenient (possibly engineered) novel virus.

[norman]

So far, to me; this seems like a global psychological experiment paired with a convenient (possibly engineered) novel virus.



Yea, I'll go with that almost 100%. I wouldn't use the word "possibly" though.

It's not a normal corona virus because it can exist outside bodies and body fluids for possibly up to 9 days ( according Johns Hopkins advisory panel ). It's spread shows it's exceptionally good at 'getting around'. Acording to Clif High ( take that with your prefered variety of salt ) it can present itself to your immune system as 4 different entities, including HIV.

[Philippe]

Good news about another soon available test kit. I hope to have a document very soon to prove I am negative and start argumentation that I am safe to travel by car and leave the house. We must fight back against being taken hostage!

Concerning Prince Charles I had another thought. Maybe his doctor gave him the certificate that he is positive in order to escape the many and now very risky work and social obligations that a royal has every day. If I was in his place I would have done the same before being consumed by infected persons. Otherwise it is impossible for them to escape these obligations and refuse to play their role. Unless you renounce that function like Harry and Meghan. OK, enough tabloid comment, there are super vital subjects to follow ;-)






I have no idea where my question belongs so apologies in advance if mods need to move it elsewhere but Harvey Weinstein, Tom Hanks, and now Prince Charles have the corona virus? How is that even mathematically possible? Prince Charles is like one of the wealthiest humans on earth (whether or not he's actually human is for another discussion) who has more space in which to roam than literally anyone else! How did he come into contact w/ someone infected?Many celebrities, politicians and high profile sportspeople have the means to ask to be tested straight away if they think they might have a problem. It's simply a matter of privilege (and of course, money).

The real significance in the numbers of well-known people testing positive is that it simply means it's VERY widespread in the whole population. We're just seeing the outcome of a well-tested sample here. Less privileged people simply aren't getting tested.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/

[TargeT]

Good news about another soon available test kit. I hope to have a document very soon to prove I am negative and start argumentation that I am safe to travel by car and leave the house. We must fight back against being taken hostage!

I don't know if that would fly in the US... there are so many potential motives and outcomes here..... I could see panic built to a fervent level so that the US is "forced" to implement "hostage" tactics like you are going through; but I don't even know if it would get that far.


The different nation's responses have been very culturally enlightening.

[Philippe]

TargetT I do not want to create a rumor that there is a testkit in France! I was inspired by the information from UK.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result =>

UK researchers develop new low-cost, rapid COVID-19 test that could even be used at home
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/

But as some EU governments are talking about increasing the testing I am on the lookout to start inquiring where to get my test and a pass to get out of confinement. Somebody has to start pushing back now even being in the peak of the epidemic. This is a dramatic decision to keep healthy persons away from work and living. With good protection and healthy lifestyle it must be possible to go on living and functioning.

[Philippe]

Just heard on France 2, the French TV news that testing goes in full swing in Germany. Results are returned in 2 hours.
My ardent wish to get out of confinement is progressing :wizard:

LATEST: Germany ramps up coronavirus tests to 500,000 a week

https://www.thelocal.de/20200326/germany-ramps-up-coronavirus-tests-to-500000-a-week

[waves]

TargetT I do not want to create a rumor that there is a testkit in France! I was inspired by the information from UK.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result =>

UK researchers develop new low-cost, rapid COVID-19 test that could even be used at home
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/

But as some EU governments are talking about increasing the testing I am on the lookout to start inquiring where to get my test and a pass to get out of confinement. Somebody has to start pushing back now even being in the peak of the epidemic. This is a dramatic decision to keep healthy persons away from work and living. With good protection and healthy lifestyle it must be possible to go on living and functioning.

Please be careful. I've read countless explanations by trustworthy medical professionals now that a 'test kit' is not even possible considering the true nature of virus, let alone this specific one.

Due to the obvious pre-planned step by step of this gigantic evil agenda, the so called test is likely part of this agenda... and not in your best interest in any way. They can tell you they found anything after you've submitted your DNA. If they don't already have your DNA, this is giving them your frequency identity which is giving them the key to your future bioweaponry vulnerability.

Sorry for no supporting links on the current 'test' scam. When I re-find any, I'll post the arguments. In the meantime, you can learn about the nature of virus with this book that is very respected by people seeing thru the agenda... Virus Mania... http://www.whale.to/c/Virus-Mania55tt66.pdf

[Philippe]

Hi Waves,
Things are moving in Germany. Get out of the gloom, there is hope !

LATEST: Germany ramps up coronavirus tests to 500,000 a week
https://www.thelocal.de/20200326/germany-ramps-up-coronavirus-tests-to-500000-a-week

READ ALSO: 'The mortality rate is puzzling': Why does Germany have a lower coronavirus death rate

https://www.thelocal.de/20200325/the-mortality-rate-is-puzzling-what-explains-germanys-lower-coronavirus-death-toll

EDIT: But bloody hell I listen to your warning. Who knows if some evil agency is collecting their bio-metric data. Difficult all that to take into account !!

[norman]

Dark Journalist And Dr. Joseph Farrell COVID-19 Bio-Economic EMF Warfare Deep State COG Continuity Of Government! Special LiveStream with QA Thursday, March 26 8PM EST

It's not on yet, here's the URL for it for later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwzjd3OLlL8

[norman]

Whaw . . Farrell is blowing the roof off. He's having nothing at all to do with Daniel's constitutional outrage and Daniel is sitting there trying to catch up, it's funny to listen to.

And very encouraging.

[shaberon]

It looks like the number of U. S. infections have exceeded China's.

Iran says over 47 million (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990107000342) people have been screened, and their new experiment reduced hospital time and zero of thirty (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990107000161) people died under a treatment of three conventional medicines. I think two of those were recommended by the U. S., but, Iran is the only one to use all three, which sound pretty ordinary, nothing new.

An Englis professor (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484190-coronavirus-inequality-wealthy-homeless-london/), or, a professor in England suggests the government's intervention should be to confiscate abandoned homes of the wealthy. They have a lot of those, but, people that lived in hotels have just been forced into the street. Apparently England has a direct way to usher "urban decay" like we have in the states, where poor people get pushed away and new real estate goes to insane prices. Or at least they have a lot of unused, expensive stuff, presuming The City was never poor, but has many empty spaces.

Most of the bread and milk that was hoarded must be bad by now, and a tiny trickle of restocked toilet paper shows there was a stupid over-reaction there as well.

[res cogitans]

I would like to present a different angle on the CV issue. It seems like this issue is multi layered, but what if there truly was a higher reason for the quarantine? Specifically, in regards to harnessing human energy?

http://allegoryofthepuzzle.com/biophotonics-and-social-distancing/

http://allegoryofthepuzzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/1_w9pDodavX0Y0dcxyHoAEUg.jpeg

Biophotonics is the study of the optical processes in biological systems. This study includes the processes that occur naturally as well as those that occur in bioengineered materials. As a result, a particularly important aspect of this field is imaging and sensing cells and tissue. This includes injecting fluorescent markers into a biological system to track cell dynamics and drug delivery.


You are Exactly Where you Should Be and There is a Higher Purpose.


The currents events that affect us all are indeed real. With this in mind, consider that social distancing is about the storing of the human bodies Photonic energy. Social Distancing is also about the raising of the frequency of yourself and that of the collective. As a consequence, it is also about raising the frequency planet Earth.

The human body produces Electro-magnetic fields via your Auric body system. The Chakra systems within our bodies have created those Energy fields. Externalities such as your environment and your thinking can and do influence those energy fields.

Comparatively, some of these externalities include your environment and your thinking. You are creators of your reality. As such, have a big responsibility in the direction of this planet.

Solar flares and solar activity are transmitting the Photonic energy that is increases the human bodies Electro-magnetic field. We then transmit this energy to our environment. Think data transmission similar to that of photosynthesis or fiber optics.


Light carries information!


http://allegoryofthepuzzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/soh-figure-6-1.jpg


There are others that walk among us. They especially dissipate and drain our energy. It is important to realize that they slow the raising of frequency of our reality.


Grounding Yourself

What has been occurring is about the grounding of yourself and consequently, the reacquainting with source.

In warmer climates, try to walk barefooted in the grass. In more brisk climates, realize your breath and focus on all the beauty that surrounds you. Consequently, you will be Grounding yourself. Pay attention to your dreams as this should result in increase lucency.

There simple was no other way for this to occur. Accordingly, you are exactly where you are most needed right now.

Were the Neanderthals aware that they were in a stage of ascension and thus evolution? Then what about Cro-Magnon man? Yet, we see evidence in their evolution and ascension in the archaeological record…



The ascension is occurring and you are all part of it. It is time to awaken to take back your power.



https://www.nature.com/subjects/biophotonics

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3321722/

[ErtheVessel]

With regard to hospitalization and mortality statistics, I found this interesting article on RT News dated yesterday, March 25, 2020. It seems credible to me and makes a lot of sense, though I understand there are those who would say RT is Russian propaganda. But at this point it all seems like propaganda. So as always, take with a grain of salt.

https://www.rt.com/news/484098-coronavirus-fatality-rates-exaggerated-italy/

This appears to be intelligent investigative journalism and describes the possible reasons for the discrepancies in the death rates between nations.

[onawah]

All The Craziest Things About America Are Being Highlighted By This Virus
by CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
MARCH 27, 2020
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03/27/all-the-craziest-things-about-america-are-being-highlighted-by-this-virus/

"“Corona is a black light and America is a cum-stained hotel room,” comedian Megan Amram colorfully tweeted a couple of weeks ago. Her observation has only grown more accurate since.

The corporate cronyism of America’s political system has been highlighted with a massive kleptocratic multitrillion-dollar corporate bailout of which actual Americans are only receiving a tiny fraction. Instead of putting that money toward paying people a living wage to stay home during a global pandemic, the overwhelming majority of the money is going to corporations while actual human beings receive a paltry $1,200 (which they won’t even be getting until May at the earliest) at a time of record-smashing unemployment.

America’s capitalism worship has been highlighted with Wall Street Journal headline “Dow Soars More Than 11% In Biggest One-Day Jump Since 1933” running at the exact same time as “Record Rise in Unemployment Claims Halts Historic Run of Job Growth — More than 3 million workers file for jobless benefits as coronavirus hits the economy“. Stocks are booming, Amazon is surging, and mountains of wealth are being transferred to sprawling megacorporations, while actual human beings are terrified of what the future holds.

America’s joke of a healthcare system is being highlighted as uninsured COVID-19 patients are racking up $35,000 medical bills and even insured COVID-19 patients are looking at out-of-pocket expenses in excess of $1,300. Combine this with the millions of Americans getting thrown off of employer-provided health insurance and you’re looking at a huge number of people who will avoid getting tested and avoid treatment as much as possible. Both heads of America’s two-headed one-party system have spent decades forcefully creating this dynamic.

America’s income and wealth inequality is being highlighted in a nation suffering from all of the above problems while most Americans were already unable to afford a mere $1,000 emergency expense. A one-time $1,200 payment to a population already stretched that thin guarantees that millions will be plunged into crushing debt and destitution in a nation with a historically unprecedented billionaire class raking in even more unearned wealth.

The insanity of America’s war machine has been highlighted as awareness grows during a global health emergency that government military spending negatively impacts government healthcare spending and the US has the most bloated military budget on the planet. Now as journalist Max Blumenthal explains this war machine’s escalating hostility toward China is causing Americans to needlessly die of the virus.

America’s fake political system has been highlighted as the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee completely vanished for a week and then returned to deliver an embarrassing string of befuddled interviews upon his return, reminding the nation once again that the Democrats are running an actual, literal dementia patient for the most powerful elected office in the world. Biden will of course be running against an incoherent reality TV star who only last week decided that the virus is indeed a real problem which needs to be seriously addressed, and who now already wants to begin rolling back the inadequate measures his administration implemented far too late. The debates between two men who don’t understand what they’re doing and can’t string a sentence together between them will soon be broadcast around the world for all of civilization to behold.

America’s lying mass media are being highlighted with propagandistic lines that would make Kim Jong Un blush, like The New York Times claiming today that “the American medical system is unsurpassed and its public health system has a reputation as one of the finest in the world”. We can safely expect US media to get even more demented as they expands their hysteria-inducing new cold war propaganda campaign against Russia to China as well.

America’s murderous sanctions machine has been highlighted as the US continues ramping up its economic warfare against Iranian civilians, with thousands already dead and potentially millions to follow due to Tehran’s inability to access necessary equipment, medicine and resources during the pandemic. The Trump administration has not eased the sanctions during the outbreak, and has in fact added to them, because killing Iranian civilians has always been the goal. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has gone on record to say that the objective is to make Iranian civilians so miserable and desperate that they overthrow their own government.

So basically everything crazy about America is being amplified to absurd caricatures of its own insanity and highlighted for everyone to see. There’s a lot of ugliness coming out into the light as a result of this virus, which may end up being one of its few perks for everyone. As they say of both viruses and governments, sunlight is the best disinfectant."

[TargeT]

Well, isn't this telling....

https://i.redd.it/7ji35fxrq4p41.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fppc7v/oc_where_the_money_goes_in_the_us_senates_2t/

[Akasha]

Well, isn't this telling....

https://i.redd.it/7ji35fxrq4p41.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fppc7v/oc_where_the_money_goes_in_the_us_senates_2t/

....from the horse's mouth..... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1346203&viewfull=1#post1346203)

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/1242880749595959296?s=20

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[christian]

"Our World in Data" researchers announced this week that they had stopped relying on World Health Organization data for their models, citing errors in the WHO's data (https://fee.org/articles/oxford-based-group-stops-using-who-data-for-coronavirus-reporting-citing-errors).

[shaberon]

People are rushing to government-hired planes to get out of the U. S. and return to Venezuela (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54076.htm), which has an effective response, despite the problems caused by the U. S.; Iran, similarly, has screened nearly 50 million, and a trial treatment program which saw 0/30 deaths, despite them having one of the highest mortality rates at first. There are probably more examples of these supposedly "lesser" places that are doing a better job.

Having been foisted into the ranks of the unemployed, no, it's not quite a free vacation. Whatever is going on with the rest of that money by the government and what the Fed is doing beggars belief, but, they do these things because they can. Shouldn't have let that visitor in the door because the parasite will not stop. Certainly can't afford a hospital now, but, we tend to think that system is there to make you sick and take your house when you croak.

[Tangri]

TargetT I do not want to create a rumor that there is a testkit in France! I was inspired by the information from UK.

That's a good theory, but this latest news about testing shows that just $5 will get you a test result =>

UK researchers develop new low-cost, rapid COVID-19 test that could even be used at home
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/uk-researchers-develop-new-low-cost-rapid-covid-19-test-that-could-even-be-used-at-home/

But as some EU governments are talking about increasing the testing I am on the lookout to start inquiring where to get my test and a pass to get out of confinement. Somebody has to start pushing back now even being in the peak of the epidemic. This is a dramatic decision to keep healthy persons away from work and living. With good protection and healthy lifestyle it must be possible to go on living and functioning.

Please be careful. I've read countless explanations by trustworthy medical professionals now that a 'test kit' is not even possible considering the true nature of virus, let alone this specific one.

Due to the obvious pre-planned step by step of this gigantic evil agenda, the so called test is likely part of this agenda... and not in your best interest in any way. They can tell you they found anything after you've submitted your DNA. If they don't already have your DNA, this is giving them your frequency identity which is giving them the key to your future bioweaponry vulnerability.

Sorry for no supporting links on the current 'test' scam. When I re-find any, I'll post the arguments. In the meantime, you can learn about the nature of virus with this book that is very respected by people seeing thru the agenda... Virus Mania... http://www.whale.to/c/Virus-Mania55tt66.pdf

'test kit' is not even possible considering the true nature of virus, let alone this specific one.

I confidently concur that sentence. Test Kit can confirm RNA type but can get confused with a lot of virus. Even you had poliovirus(makes poliomyelitis) vaccination , Vaccine has inactivated virus and results to " + test".

You have rhinovirus infection(common cold) test result comes +

All RNA viruses (class lll - IV) cause + results.

Attention" I didn't even say all coronviruses)

If you dig a cemetery to find human remains from chestna plane crash you will find enormous number of the victims.

[Dennis Leahy]

James/Jim Spione is the director of the documentaries "Silenced" (war on whistleblowers) and "Incident in New Baghdad" (using 'Collateral Murder' footage)

James Spione posted the following on his faceboog page:


"Only a few weeks into widespread quarantining, and America--at least as reflected on social media--is seething with reactionary rage. We've now gone beyond the deluge of lecturing ones' friends about proper hand washing procedures. The other day, someone actually posted a picture of a group of their neighbors on the street, accusing them of not socially distancing enough. Never mind that the photograph itself was distorting and compressing the space it observed, making it appear people were much closer than in actuality. Dozens of commenters swarmed in agreement. Assholes! Crazy! Dear God they'll kill us all! Where are the cops?


A viral video of some idiot in Missouri licking a bunch of shampoo bottles in a Walmart elicits hundreds of comments, most screaming for his head, with enthusiastic cheers for his being charged with "making terroristic threats" by local authorities. Commenters laugh sadistically at the prospect of his being raped in prison, totally on board with using our draconian terrorism laws in response to this foolishness. Not a thought for what this means for civil liberties. People are ****ing angry now. They want revenge.


Here's another post, a jerk in New Jersey coughs on someone and claims he has coronavirus; he is also arrested and charged with--what are the chances?--making terroristic threats. People squeal with outrage, and delight in the authoritarian response. Nobody bats an eye. Nobody worries that the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, still the law of the land, makes it perfectly legal to detain US citizens without trial, indefinitely, if they are "associated" in any way with terrorism. F*ck this guy! Asshole! Hang 'em high!


Meanwhile, the virus continues to take on almost mythical powers in popular culture. In the new parody of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody," the singer "just killed a man" merely by coming into his proximity for a moment--an outrageous exaggeration of how transmission actually works, and of course ignoring the fact that the vast majority of cases are mild to moderate, not deadly. "I walked past him, now he's dead." Simple as that. Some much needed gallows humor, I guess, between screeching out your window at those darn teenagers in the convertible to GO HOME! Where are their parents? WHERE ARE THE COPS?


This is a mass panic. This is how crowd psychology works, a widespread indulgence in a lust for control and revenge, all perfectly justified in the righteous name of "protecting ourselves." If that sounds familiar, it should. This is the same dynamic that kicked into gear after September 11th, 2001, when enough people were sufficiently traumatized by the terrifying events that day to buy into the government's lies about who was to blame. A series of devastating aggressive wars soon followed, a killing spree across the Middle East that still has not ended, some 20 years later. That's how profoundly deep fear can change the course of a society. Or perhaps more accurately, can be manipulated to create support for extreme policies.


Yet even with the terror and shock of 9/11, there were large groups of people who retained their sanity. There were enormous street actions opposing the attack on Iraq in many countries. Millions of people poured into the streets in the largest international protests in history. My family and I were among them. I know many reading this post were among them, too.



But not this time. Almost no one is questioning the wisdom of our responses to this health crisis. No reaction is severe enough, it seems, when people are convinced a single breath of a stranger will strike them dead. No lockdown is tight enough. People want more. Shut down the bridges into New York City, someone demands. More arrests for people who will not comply! Where is the army? People are ready to welcome full-on martial law with open arms. It's madness.


And here is the irony. We are begging for lockdowns and martial control FROM THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CAUSED THIS CRISIS. Your neighbors did not downsize and squeeze the U.S. healthcare infrastructure into its present inadequate state. Those stupid kids in a convertible do not rule over a ruthless corporate medical system designed to maximize profits for insurance companies rather than safety and wellness for citizens. All of this anger and desire for retribution is completely misdirected. We are turning on each other, rather than directing our rage at the class that sits atop a merciless system which has left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that experts saw coming for years. And now, for their failures, the people that run things want us to stay cowering in our homes, afraid to move or associate with anyone, spending our days telling our friends and neighbors what to do, begging authorities for more rules and restrictions to cage us.


How convenient for those in charge, who are now busy funneling trillions into the coffers of their corporate cronies in the greatest transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector since... well, since 9/11/01.

"

[xbusymom]

I came across this today:
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I talked to a sister in law just today: with this lie discovered...

SIL lives in ozark area, and news reports 7 cases in Cox hospital there, she talked to a nurse at that hospital who said there were NO cases at her hospital.

[Iloveyou]

Brief yet comprehensive summary and overview

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment. (Daily updates below)

read here: https://www.globalresearch.ca/swiss-doctor-covid-19/5707642

https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/italy-smog.png
Winter smog (NO2) in Northern Italy in February 2020 (ESA) ... + Spain, greater area Madrid?

https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/covid-iss-stat-bloomberg.png
Italy test-positive deaths by prior illnesses (ISS / Bloomberg)

https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/borrelli2.jpg

Angelo Borrelli, head of the Italian Civil Protection Service,
emphasizing the difference between deaths with and from coronaviruses.



Edit: Just noticed it is the same article which is referred to in the video above

[onawah]

Fauci Ignores WHO Boss Crimes Against Humanity
Mar 26, 2020
Amazing Polly
222K subscribers

"I bet people would be shocked to know that the current head of the World Health Organization was involved in multiple unprosecuted potential crimes against humanity. Corona Task Force Boss Dr. Fauci loves it though. Or maybe the mainstream media has failed so badly he doesn't even know.
Too many villains to count.

References:

VIDEO: WHO’s Tedros Adhanom Should Be Tried for Crimes Against Humanity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yD3o...
From YT Channel John Martin’s video description:

Sources: 1. Tigrai Online, list of members of Tigray People’s Liberation Front 2. http://www.tigraionline.com/cctplf.html 3. Tedros’ WHO biography 4. https://www.who.int/dg/biography 5. The Amhara People’s Union case against Tedros Adhanom and alleged crimes 6. https://ecadforum.com/wp-content/uplo... 7. Quartz article on ethnic clashes in Ethiopia 8. https://qz.com/africa/1411519/ethiopi... 9. Tedros born in the Tigray Region of Ethiopia 10. https://web.archive.org/web/201310121... 11. TPLF named the Amhara as the number 1 enemy 12. https://www.zehabesha.com/tplf-manife... 13. TPLF 1968 manifesto 16. Ethiopian government denies aid as part of political repression campaign. 17. https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/10/19/e... 18. Tedros Adhanom’s Blog post arguing against Human Rights Watch’s allegations. 19. Human Rights Watch Response to Tedros 20. https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/04/o... 23. Human Rights Watch Video Report on Oromia Massacre. 24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8XE... 25. World Bank 2006 report on corruption in Ethiopia, Health Sector chapter 2 26. https://issuu.com/world.bank.publicat... 27. Overview of corruption in Ethiopia 28. https://www.u4.no/publications/overvi... 29. Government seizes land and relocates 15000 people 30. https://www.theguardian.com/world/201... 31. Washington Post report on covering up of cholera epidemic 32. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w... front-tplf 35. TPLF terrorist incidents 36. https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/... 37. Prisoners tortured and denied healthcare in Ethiopia 2015 38. https://www.untoldstoriesonline.com/p... 39. Tedros criticised ICC for putting Kenyans on trial 40. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-af... 41. Bill Gates donations 42. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytim... 43. Kidnapping of Andargarchew tsege 44. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/26/j... 45. Uk government letter of warning to Ethiopia 46. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fo... 47. Tedros played key role in kidnapping 48. https://ecadforum.com/2017/05/05/tedr... 49. Ethiopian dissident being tortured 50. https://www.theguardian.com/world/201... 51. Cholera Coverup NYT report 52. https://myaccount.nytimes.com/auth/lo... 53. Robert Mugabe ordered the killings of 20,000 in the 1980s 54. https://www.theguardian.com/world/201... 55. Tedros appointed Mugabe goodwill ambassador in 2017 56. https://www.theguardian.com/world/201... 57. WHO spending scandal 58. https://apnews.com/1cf4791dc5c14b9299... 59. Bill gates work in Ethiopia. 60. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Where... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uWriZEC8BQ&feature=share
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[onawah]

March 28, 2020
Bill Gates Calls for Vaccine Certificates as Requirement for Travel
by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

https://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/03/Canceled-Travel-Us-Quarantine-Passport.jpg

"Some in the Alternative Media are beginning to use the term “Plandemic” instead of “Pandemic” as there is clear evidence that the events unfolding today over the Coronavirus scare have been planned for some time, even before the breakout in Wuhan China late last year.
https://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/03/Planned-Shutdown-of-US-Economy.jpg
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard told Bloomberg News recently that unemployment could reach 30%, and admits that the shut down of the U.S. economy is something that has been planned.

Health Impact News reported back in January of 2020 how Event 201, hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, ran a 5-hour simulation on the Coronavirus pandemic, six weeks before the first outbreak in Wuhan China. See:

Did Bill Gates & World Economic Forum Predict Coronavirus Outbreak? Will There be an Internet Blackout to Control Information?
This week, TED Talks released a video of reporter Chris Anderson interviewing Bill Gates about the Coronavirus response, and Bill Gates says:

Eventually what we’ll have to have is certificates of who’s a recovered person and who’s a vaccinated person because you don’t want people moving around the world….(without their certificates).

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, via its funding to the UN through GAVI, is one of the world’s largest funders of vaccine programs in low-income nations. See:

Gates Foundation Funding Global Vaccine Program – More Powerful Than Government
The following video offers commentary on the Chris Anderson interview of Bill Gates just released by TED Talks."
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[waves]

This is war using well established wartime tactics. I'm catching on to the pattern - FAST AND FURIOUS.

Some new fear gets repeated across the globe daily before you had the chance to process the previous one. All on a list written up years ago.

Today was #34 or something. Lie about how many local police just tested positive to begin to condition sheep to excuse military intervention.

There's not ONE believable statistic about anything right now anywhere!!

I repeat from my other posts - there isn't even a real test for CV19 specifically, everyone has common cold antibodies and many different ones have been lumped into the corona category for years.

I'm sorry, but I think there's not going to be any even momentary stabilization before going way, way bad.

We were the swamp to be drained all along.


added: didn't read Tangri's post #194 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1346640&viewfull=1#post1346640) above first. THANK YOU for the additional clarification of why no test is even possible right now. This foundational point of deceit being used as a sledgehammer on minds and lives millions of times daily all over the world leaves me speechless.

[Phoenix]

This is war using well established wartime tactics. I'm catching on to the pattern - FAST AND FURIOUS.

Some new fear gets repeated across the globe daily before you had the chance to process the previous one. All on a list written up years ago.

Today was #34 or something. Lie about how many local police just tested positive to begin to condition sheep to excuse military intervention.

There's not ONE believable statistic about anything right now anywhere!!

I repeat from my other posts - there isn't even a real test for CV19 specifically, everyone has common cold antibodies and many different ones have been lumped into the corona category for years.

I'm sorry, but I think there's not going to be any even momentary stabilization before going way, way bad.

We were the swamp to be drained all along.


added: didn't read Tangri's post #194 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1346640&viewfull=1#post1346640) above first. THANK YOU for the additional clarification of why no test is even possible right now. This foundational point of deceit being used as a sledgehammer on minds and lives millions of times daily all over the world leaves me speechless.

thanks waves, i've said the same thing 50 times over in the main avalon virus thread too

[onawah]

How Surveillance and 5G Are Being Fast-Tracked Under the Pretext of Fighting Coronavirus
SPECIAL REPORT by Derrick Broze & Josh del Sol
3/28/20
While much of the world has been focused on surviving a "pandemic", social distancing and quarantines, the proponents of mass surveillance and 5G have been scoring major gains.
https://www.takebackyourpower.net/surveillance-5g-fast-tracked-under-coronavirus-pretext/

(MANY MORE HYPER-LINKS IN THE ARTICLE THAN I HAVE EMBEDDED HERE.)

During this chaotic time it’s extremely important to take note of the advancements of legislation and political maneuvers which threaten our liberty and privacy.

First, on March 23, the 5G rollout progressed even further in the USA with President Donald Trump signing a bill aimed at “securing America’s 5G infrastructure.”

The act, titled the Secure 5G and Beyond Act, calls for a comprehensive plan to securitize a nationalized 5G grid in “not later than 180 days.”

Combined with an additional bill, the Broadband Deployment Accuracy and Technological Availability (DATA) Act, which passed the House on 16 December 2019, these bills seek to nationalize 5G network control. Read more about these two bills.

CONFIRMED: 5G and related tech is being deployed at or near many schools during the lockdown
Last week, after seeing video of some installations of 5G and apparent biometrics at schools during the lockdown, we asked readers to share any evidence they had regarding this apparently fast-tracked deployment in their neighborhoods.

After dozens of comments, emails, and videos, we can safely say there is indeed an effort to install 5G related equipment at or near schools, and throughout cities in general.

For example, Twitter user “Just Michael” filmed an encounter with police parked at a local school, who were either performing or supporting the installation. When asked if what they’re doing is related to 5G installation, the apparent police officer acted odd and attempted to deflect the question.

Watch this rather shocking video:

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Another clear example of telecommunications activity at schools comes from a Facebook video posted by IJ Hribal. In this video
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she visits a school in Longview, Texas to ask a contractor if his work involves 5G. The man claimed there was an ongoing 5G installation which actually began in December 2019. (Note: This has been flagged by Facebook as “fake news.”)
In another video posted on her Facebook page, IJ Hribal writes,

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“5G being installed at North Penn High School in Lansdale, PA. This was sent to me by a brave mother who would like to remain anonymous. It’s time to check your schools and start putting these people on notice. We do NOT consent.“

Finally, an email from the Mayor of Nevada City CA, Reinette Senum described an increase in activity at local high schools:

“AT&T is going off the hook these last couple weeks in our community. We have never seen anything like it…. We have also been overwhelmed by PG&E trucks including IES trucks installing ‘air conditioners’ on the top of our local high school roof tops. For air conditioner installations??”

Read Ms. Senum’s full letter on our Solutions For Humanity Telegram channel:
https://t.me/sol4h/113

PASSED: $2 trillion stimulus package advances surveillance, “telemedicine”
The surveillance state is also being expanded in other ways within the 2200-page, $2 trillion stimulus package that was signed by Donald Trump on Friday, and supported by both parties. It includes billions of dollars to the criminal Federal Reserve for a new US digital dollar, allocates funding for telehealth and telemedicine services which will surely be powered by 5G ‘smart’ grid, and creates a fund for development of vaccines.

INTRODUCED: New bill to end encryption, tap private chats
Another new bill called the EARN IT Act of 2020 will attempt to force encrypted communication providers, like Telegram and Protonmail, to give American intelligence services the ability to wiretap private chats or face steep legal penalties.

The bill was heavily debated in early March but has since stalled, however, we should remain vigilant and not allow ourselves to be distracted by the constant focus on COVID-19. It should be noted that the bill was introduced with bipartisan support from Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and is also sponsored by Josh Hawley and Dianne Feinstein.

Like other bills being fast-tracked, this law’s supporters are using the cover of Coronavirus panic to quietly advance it without much of a debate.

REPORTS: Governments using ‘smart’ phones to track in-home quarantine compliance & social distancing
Will government agencies seek to actually track us in our homes, using our smart phones, to see if we are obeying their decrees?

It appears that’s where this could be headed, as the US government is reportedly already in talks with Google and Facebook about tracking the location of citizens using their smartphones to ensure they are practicing social distancing.

And around world, at least 11 nations are already using people’s smart phones to unlawfully track them during this COVID-19 event.

See the this regularly-updated COVID-19 Digital Rights Tracker.

The context: what this all means
As we have outlined here, there is clearly an effort to erect the final pieces of the global technocratic infrastructure while humanity is being pushed into a state of fear and panic over a virus with questionable fatality rates.

We are being lied to about the virulence of COVID-19. And the ramifications are unprecedented. For more perspective that intelligently challenges the official narrative, see these links:
• Ben Swann video – the breakdown of WHO’s disinformation
• Wall Street Journal article – fatality rate too high by orders of magnitude
• New England Journal of Medicine article – Dr. Fauci’s admission
• CNN article – “majority of people with Covid-19 only suffer mild symptoms, then recover”

It’s becoming increasingly clear that elitist criminals in government, media, and corporations are pushing forward a carefully-orchestrated agenda to establish a global society of technocracy. This agenda appears to include:

vaccines which may be mandatory (or coerced via digital certificates, wristbands, or social credit score);
a rapid, covert expansion of 5G;
global biometric systems (such as this) to track who has been vaccinated or recovered from COVID-19;
the continuing implosion of the economy to make the public dependent on the State;
a digital currency linked to the biometrics and 5G;
fear-based social control system to normalize “social distancing” and unjustified fear of other human beings.
The only way we will make it out of this precarious situation is to continue to educate our loves ones and community. We cannot simply stay in our “woke” bubbles and preach to the choir.

These are challenging developments to all of us who are paying attention to the facts about 5G, and waking up to see what appears to be an orchestrated technocratic false flag agenda, unprecedented in our nation’s history.

While many leaders in the battle to preserve humanity’s future are understandably in the mode of research, coping and regrouping at this time, going forward we will be in touch with more information about how we can effectively and powerfully respond.

There appears to be an increasingly limited window of time to reach the masses and we must take the opportunity or risk failing to achieve a truly awakened humanity. Please make an honest effort to communicate with your friends, family, and other people you may be interacting with online or in-person.

Together we can change the story that is unfolding in front of our eyes. We can make it through this dark night and create a better world which our hearts know is possible.

We are bringing forward solutions-based resources. Subscribe to our future updates via email or Telegram (click ‘JOIN’).

-Derrick Broze & Josh del Sol

P.S. If you found this report helpful, please do your part by sharing the link with others. Let’s reach critical awareness.
Follow our research trail on Telegram:
#2. Coronavirus: Follow The Money [Spiro Skouras]
#3. Is Bill Gates Profiting From The Outbreak? Or Is Something Far More Sinister Taking Place? [Spiro Skouras]
#4. US Volunteers to Test Coronavirus Vaccine: Could viral shedding spark a real pandemic? [BBC / Mercola]
#5. Denmark Passes Mandatory Vaccine Law in Response To Coronavirus [thelocal.dk]
#10. Dr. Thomas Cowan: Coronavirus and 5G
#11. Whistleblower confirms covert plans to deploy 5G throughout US schools during lockdown
#15. CDC advertising for “Quarantine Program” workers nationally as early as November 15, 2019… how did they know?
#19. NYC Ghost Town – Where’s Viro?
#20. 99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
#21. Stunning insights into the Corona-panic by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
#22. What Does a 5G Cellular Antenna Look Like?
#24. New Bill called EARN IT seeks to tap Telegram, Protonmail, etc
#25. What is “Agenda ID2020,” and how does it directly relate to COVID-19 developments?
#26. Why are there gigantic trainloads of military tanks and armored cars being transported? And is 5G deployment being accelerated during the soft-lockdown?
#27. The 5G/schools whistleblower is RIGHT.
#28. LISTEN: CBC Radio cuts off expert when he questions Covid19 narrative
#30. CNN’s surprising pullback from COVID pandemonium
#31. Bill Gates gets bolder about mandatory vaccination programs that he intends to have the government implement
#32. Ontario’s former chief medical officer, Dr Richard Schabas, questions Coronavirus narrative
#35. 5G being deployed in Vancouver during lockdown
#36. James Corbett on Medical Martial Law 2020
#37. LET US KNOW: Are 5G / Biometric Systems Being Covertly Installed During the Lockdown… Where YOU Live?
#40. 5G tower appears overnight in Miami
#41. IRREGULATORS announce a big win in their battle vs FCC
#42. DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency
#43. AT&T’s 5G AirGig is very bad news
#46. 5G moratorium in Byron Shire, Australia!
#48. Wow. The FCC is not too burdened with CV to approve a million new antennas for SpaceX
#52. Science: Does EMF/RF harm the IMMUNE SYSTEM?
#53. via RFK Jr: California Governor orders fast-tracking of wireless deployment in schools DURING QUARANTINE
#55. Coronavirus COVID-19 Lockdown UK Forced Spiritual Awakening Steve Whybrow Interview
#57. Children’s Health Defense update: School deployments / here’s a sample letter to send
#59. Sayer Ji: What I Am (And Not) Doing for Covid-19
#60. Boris Johnson locks down the UK
#62. PART 1: COVID-19 is a “live exercise”, put on by CIA-trained professional liars
#63. PART 2: COVID-19 is a “live exercise”, put on by CIA-trained professional liars
#64. Dr Klinghardt’s latest discoveries on COVID-19
#66. Coronavirus stimulus bill creates new U.S. digital dollar that ‘may be tied to a digital or physical identity’
#68. Telstra: We’re spending $500m more to accelerate the 5G rollout
#69. RT: “Do we really think “it can’t happen here” in America? Could we quarantine the constitution? Are we doing it already?”
#70. Derrick Broze’s new video: COVID19: US Stimulus Bill = Digital Dollar & Rapid 5G Roll Out?
#72. COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK
#74. Concise and powerful insight from David Icke
#75. COVID-19 testing: False positive rate of 80.33%
#76. $50B education bill to include $2B for wireless and 5G in the name of “home learning” connectivity
#77. CE: Governments Are Tracking Peoples Location Using Their Smartphones Because Of The Coronavirus
#79. There are at least SEVEN sub-agendas being advanced SIMULTANEOUSLY…
#81. Where’s 5G been deployed, exactly? Here’s 2 worldwide maps
#82. “My Papa Never died from this Virus!…”
#83. Ben Swann digs into the WHO’s disinformation statistics
#84. 12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
#85. WSJ: Current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude
#86. 5G being fast-tracked around in Australia
#88. Bill Gates: “Eventually we will have some digital certificates [ID2020 biometrics] to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.”
#90. TRUMP ALL-IN ON 5G: Trump signs laws to mass-deploy 5G nationwide
#91. A heart-to-heart, freedom warrior Ralph Smart / Infinite Waters
#93. Trump administration: “If you’re hoarding, we’re coming for you…”
#96. The basis of the pandemonium and global technocracy coup is JUNK SCIENCE
#100. Police facilitating mystery 5G deployments in schools during lockdown: startling 2-minute citizen journalist video
#102. MIT biological scientist Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai on the fake science and real solutions to the situation
#104. Dr. Joel Moskowitz at Berkeley is one of hundreds of PhDs sounding the alarm about 5G
#105. Event 201: How Timely!?
#106. They Tried To Bury Us…They Did Not Know We Were Seeds
#109. “What link can I share with people to quickly convey the significance of the 5G risk?”
#110. Cancer cluster at a Ripon, CA school, after a 4G/5G small cell tower was deployed.
#111. More confirmation: 5G and related technology is being deployed in schools everywhere while we have all been ordered to sit at home
#113. AT&T’s “off the hook” installs: Email from the Mayor of Nevada City, California
#114. London, UK: Officials in hazmat suits caught lying to residents in apartments/flats about someone dying of Coronavirus
#115. “We need 5G because we need more bandwidth because everyone’s at home…”
#119. With COVID-19 no longer considered a “high consequence infectious disease” (UK), what is the justification for martial law or lockdown pandemonium?
#120. A spiritual invocation for life
#124. Forbes: “Coronavirus Could Infect Privacy And Civil Liberties Forever”
#125. How has the US CDC become boss of THE ENTIRE WORLD’S HEALTH AGENCIES?
#126. 5G deployment and attempted pushback in Croydon, Sydney
#127. Coronavirus Trojan Horse (meme)
#128. “Rhode Island Police to Hunt Down New Yorkers Seeking Refuge”
#129. V FOR VENDETTA CLIP: The pathogen pathway to power
#131. What is a “Common Law Tribunal”? They are convening…
#132. “My sister in law was “diganosed with covid 19″ even though she was NEVER tested”

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Excuse me if someone has noted this already which I haven't seen yet here.... but this is the SHEEP VIRUS!!! ovid=sheep
How much more blatantly humiliating can the name of this agenda get?

[TargeT]

Excuse me if someone has noted this already which I haven't seen yet here.... but this is the SHEEP VIRUS!!! ovid=sheep
How much more blatantly humiliating can the name of this agenda get?

Humans excel at pattern recognition, often this can become detrimental...

Never take the easy or quick path (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it) (if it didn't take hours of experience or hours of research... is it really "worthy" ?)

[Michi]

A German reporter checked out a large hospital in Berlin and found it contrary to the media claims not in an emergency condition:

Source (in German):
https://www.journalistenwatch.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-mediziner-medien/
(use Google or Deepl online translator to translate into English)

Video with subtitles:
https://videopress.com/v/1kh9m7fK

[Soda]

Well, isn't this telling....

https://i.redd.it/7ji35fxrq4p41.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fppc7v/oc_where_the_money_goes_in_the_us_senates_2t/

Thank you -- this is a great reference! What does everything think of movie theaters and other "Hollywood" supporting industries being a part of this? One of the silver linings I saw in this virus tragedy is that movie theaters would finally fail and cease to exist. An industry full of pedophiles and rapists/criminals influencing young impressionable minds was no longer going to exist. But maybe not so fast after all. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2020-03-28/what-the-coronavirus-bailout-means-for-hollywood-workers

[gini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqS-mconfQc Jason Goodman explores at and the area around the New York hospital, where a covid19 emergencysituation suppose to be happening right now...but almost nobody wants to talk,strange atmosphere..

[Soda]

Excuse me if someone has noted this already which I haven't seen yet here.... but this is the SHEEP VIRUS!!! ovid=sheep
How much more blatantly humiliating can the name of this agenda get?

Hi! In which language does ovid=sheep? I attempted to search for the connection and only found references to Ovid, a Roman Poet

[ErtheVessel]

I'm not sure what to think of the 5G installation issue, however, there is this interesting development in California.

All DMVs (Departments of Motor Vehicles) are closed, beginning Friday, March 27, 2020 and will remain closed to the public until further notice. Employees at all DMVs were placed on paid leave until the following Wednesday, April 1 after the offices have been "cleaned and disinfected."

"While Staffers will return to work on Wednesday after the offices have cleaned and disinfected, the DMV offices will remain closed to the public indefinitely, the Times reported. Staffers will continue to handle online services."

https://patch.com/california/los-angeles/california-dmv-offices-close-public-amid-coronavirus

I predict that if this entire pandemic scenario is somehow manufactured and there is an agenda to install something like 5G, that as soon as "they" are done with their installation process, or whatever it is they are up to, the "pandemic" will suddenly be over, we will be told to no longer worry, and everything will be back to "normal."

As I've said before, I'm not discounting the fact that some people are really getting quite ill and dying, I just think some things are really not adding up. Or are adding up in a way that makes no sense.

[chrifri]

A German reporter checked out a large hospital in Berlin and found it contrary to the media claims not in an emergency condition:

Source (in German):
https://www.journalistenwatch.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-mediziner-medien/
(use Google or Deepl online translator to translate into English)

Video with subtitles:
https://videopress.com/v/1kh9m7fK


The same seems to be the case in Switzerland. One of the cantons, representing approximately 8% of the overall population of Switzerland has 100 beds ready to be used. Until Tuesday last week, zero cases. Tuesday the first 2. Now 10 on intensive care. Situation calm, no emergency. The same situation in another canton (approximately 4% of the overall Swiss population). The situation is calm, no emergency. As the situation in several Swiss cantons is calm (however if one reads the newspaper it seems that it is critical) and as it seems that in the French Alsace region there are a higher number of cases, Swiss hospitals that are relatively close to the Alsace region now accept COVID-19 patients from the Alsace

[graciousb]

Remember the videos from China showing people screaming, falling to the ground, being hauled away? Their internet is on total lockdown, so that had to be set up/staged. I think what they've really infected us with is fear. Like placebo effect, or sudden mass symptoms (1600s new england witches everywhere with their succubi, cases of group paralysis etc), you wouldn't need a true plague virus to cripple a society. I'm sure this thing exists, is slightly worse than typical flu/respiratory illness, but it's a psy op. Now no leader wants to call it out for fear of being pilloried in the town square and/or sued, driven out of office. This German epidemiologist lays out the case beautifully (in German with subtitles) (most salient point, most all deaths being tested for CV, and if found that is listed as cause of death, when likely wasn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=LsExPrHCHbw&feature=youtu.be

[Phoenix]

Remember the videos from China showing people screaming, falling to the ground, being hauled away? Their internet is on total lockdown, so that had to be set up/staged. I think what they've really infected us with is fear. Like placebo effect, or sudden mass symptoms (1600s new england witches everywhere with their succubi, cases of group paralysis etc), you wouldn't need a true plague virus to cripple a society. I'm sure this thing exists, is slightly worse than typical flu/respiratory illness, but it's a psy op. Now no leader wants to call it out for fear of being pilloried in the town square and/or sued, driven out of office. This German epidemiologist lays out the case beautifully (in German with subtitles) (most salient point, most all deaths being tested for CV, and if found that is listed as cause of death, when likely wasn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=LsExPrHCHbw&feature=youtu.be

you're 60!? looking hot.

some noteworthy contrarians are the Belarus President and Brazillian President!

[Luke Holiday]

A must read by Investigative Journalist - Jon Rapport. The following is a brilliant summary article of what has Jon uncovered thus far and should be shared far and wide

People dying equals coronavirus? An engineered virus?
(To read about Jon's mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)
This article is intended for close study. I urge you not to jump to an early conclusion about what I'm proposing here. For example, I'm not ruling out the engineering of a virus. But an unusual twist is involved.

This article is also part of a larger position. That position can be defined as:

AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMING THE SO-CALLED EPIDEMIC IS CAUSED BY A VIRUS IS INCORRECT.

THE TRUTH DOESN'T SUPPORT FEAR.

FEAR IS SELF-DEFEATING.

FEAR CLOSES DOWN POSSIBILITY.

DON'T CLOSE DOWN POSSIBILITY IN ANY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE.

Among other subjects, this article comments on the hypothesis that the COVID-19 virus is a modified weaponized germ from a lab, either deliberately or accidentally released.

A general comment: weaponizing a virus as an instrument for causing widespread destruction faces a significant barrier. From the get-go, viruses mutate very quickly as they replicate. Therefore, the criminals wouldn't maintain the viral structure they started with. Ensuring continued lethality would therefore appear to be impossible.

Then there is this: I fully understand that researchers in certain labs are always fiddling and diddling with viruses. That's their job. The question, in a given situation, is: are they successful at weaponization, even ignoring the rapid mutation factor I just mentioned?

THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN: THEY TRIED TO WEAPONIZE A CORONAVIRUS IN LABS, AND THEY SUCCEEDED AND RELEASED IT. EVIDENCE FOR THE FORMER, NO MATTER HOW CONVINCING, IS NOT EVIDENCE OF THE LATTER.

Anything is possible, but so far, what I see is this: when I add up all the reasons people are sick and dying, I don't see a new germ as the basis.

I've detailed, in past articles, all the Chinese cases who have been diagnosed for no other reason than they have pneumonia, a traditional disease of major proportions in China. Studies estimate that roughly 300,000 citizens die of it every year. Which means there are millions of Chinese people who have develop pneumonia each year. Furthermore, the Chinese government quickly abandoned the idea of testing for the purported coronavirus---favoring instead, CT scans of the lungs. A finding of pneumonia was sufficient for a diagnosis of an "epidemic case." That is absurd on its face. Pneumonia has many causes, none of which requires a new virus.

Then we have the cases in Italy, the second largest reservoir of the so-called epidemic. Here, the deaths occur massively on the side of the elderly, who already have serious prior medical conditions, long term. In the reports issued by the Italian government so far, the people dying are said to "have the virus," but the conclusion is they're dying because of their prior medical conditions.

The conventional wisdom, often spouted, is: "the coronavirus strikes the elderly, who are less able than the young to ward it off." This is a misnomer, deployed to cover up the reality that the elderly are passing away, as they usually do, from the illnesses they already have---no need for a new virus.

I've also discussed deaths in Australia and the state of Washington. Again, it's elderly people. As in Italy, add up their long-term diseases; the treatment of those diseases with toxic medical drugs; the fear engendered by the diagnosis of "COVID"; sudden isolation from family and friends; the use of breathing ventilators, which have their own set of adverse effects, including bacterial pneumonia; and new treatment with toxic antiviral drugs, to "fight the virus"; and you have a terribly potent array of factors which account for the elderly dying. No need for a new virus.

As I've detailed in past articles, flu-like diseases (quite often, with no evidence of a flu virus) are traditional in Europe and the US. Their symptoms overlap the symptoms listed for so-called COVID. In recent years, there have been huge numbers of such people with these flu-like illnesses, and many have died---before the emergence of the so-called COVID virus. Again, no need for a unique new virus.

And as far as overall global case numbers of COVID are concerned, a large percentage of these people have been diagnosed purely on the basis of their symptoms, with no test, or via the accepted diagnostic test, called PCR. I'll cover that test in a moment. Suffice to say, it fails to prove illness is stemming from COVID virus or any virus---but it does create a picture of supposedly swelling case numbers. In a recent article, I've quoted the literature of official public health authorities, who themselves admit the test has fatal flaws.

Then we have unexplained relatively small clusters of people who appear to be suddenly falling ill. A closer examination of these people is necessary, to see whether they, in fact, ARE "sudden and unexplained." If they are, I would suggest investigating whether the rollout of new 5G wireless technology at 60GHz is occurring in those locales. It is possible 5G is causing oxygen deprivation, among other serious effects. And rather than an engineered virus---which has unpredictable effects owing to its rapid mutation---if we're looking for sinister operations, I suggest that, to cause sensational alarm and bafflement and "proof" that a mysterious event is underway, the intentional seeding of locales with little-known toxic chemicals would be the action undertaken. The effects of chemicals are far more predictable in terms of intensity and duration, and if no one is specifically looking for them, they are undetectable.

Finally, in major cities of China (e.g., Wuhan) and Italy (particularly in the north), highly toxic air quality has been far more than "a serious problem" for some years. This alone would account for huge numbers of people suffering from all sorts of lung conditions, including pneumonia. Pneumonia is one of the cardinal listed symptoms of the "epidemic." In China, the mix of toxic pollutants in the air is unprecedented in human history, spanning both early and modern eras of industrialization.

Conclusion: All in all, I would say that, if a weaponized coronavirus has been achieved, and then released or accidentally leaked, it is not a success. Far too much of what is being called COVID is explained by the causative factors I've just presented.

In fact, if we want to talk about engineered viruses---including what would probably be an easier technical job in the lab---the most successful operation would involve slightly altering a common coronavirus to cause nothing more than a common cold. Then, with a "self-fulfilling prophecy" diagnostic test in hand, people all over the world would test positive; many case numbers would thus be created; and with the non-virus illness-causes I've just described, the illusion of a global pandemic would be stitched together---all leading to the real goal: LOCKDOWNS, economic destruction, and the further pacification of the population. A bereft population more dependent than ever on governments and official authorities. A dazed population guided into a heavily technocratic future---wall to wall surveillance, smart cities, Internet of Things, universal guaranteed income tied to social credit score. Most importantly: Assigned energy quotas for every citizen. CONTROL.

Moving on from biowar labs to ordinary labs, has the COVID virus ever actually been DISCOVERED and isolated there by proper procedures? As I've written in another article, COVID-19 lacks correct proof in that regard. What I believe is the best method for that job---traditional electron microscope studies on HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS, in a side-by-side controlled test---was never done at the outset. This is convenient, to say the least, if in fact a common coronavirus has been engineered to cause nothing more than a cold. The absence of true isolation and discovery permits such a virus to slip in under the radar.

The widespread diagnostic test for the COVID virus now in use, called the PCR, falls far short of proving that ANY person is sick or will get sick. In other articles, I have proposed a vetting process for the PCR---which should have been done decades ago---in order to show it works or doesn't work in the real world. This vetting procedure would be suggested by any college science student as obvious and necessary. It has never been carried out. It involves proving the test can determine that a huge quantity of virus, actively replicating in the human body, is present---and therefore, the patient would, in the real world, be sick. Carrying out such a test, on hundreds of patients, in a controlled and blinded setting, AND THEN SEEING WHETHER THE TEST DOES POINT TO ACTUALLY SICK PEOPLE, has never been done. Therefore, claiming the test confirms that COVID virus is causing great damage is unsupported. This, too, is quite convenient, if a common coronavirus that causes nothing more than a common cold has been engineered. In that situation, you would want a diagnostic test that can't predict or detect serious illness, because the virus doesn't cause serious illness. The virus is only there as a prop, to create the illusion of case numbers stemming from one source: a harmless COVID-19 VIRUS.

Now, let's move on to the effects of propaganda.

People say: patients are sick and dying all over the world---so IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE? Aristotle worked out the fact that the effect does not prove the cause. The effect (people sick and dying) does not prove the cause (COVID virus).

And history matters. It offers clues and precedents. We've seen dud epidemics in the past blamed on a virus, and yet, embarrassingly, the virus couldn't be found. BUT WHO CARES, PEOPLE SAY, moved by propaganda. IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. (See my articles on SARS and Swine Flu 2009.)

---People sick, people dying. How many people? Unknown. Massive lockdowns of Chinese cities. Citizens trying to escape. For the global audience, this equals coronavirus, not because they know the virus is the cause---proof is beside the point. The virus is the cause because IT MUST BE. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE?

When brutal air pollution in Wuhan obviously brings on lung disease; and when the primary symptom of the coronavirus is supposed to be lung disease; and when citizens of the city have been falling ill and dying from lung disease long before the virus appeared---does this matter?

OF COURSE NOT. IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. Propaganda.

When governments and corporations have been using THE VIRUS as a cover story to obscure and explain away their crimes against populations, for decades and decades---does this matter?

When previous so-called epidemics---for example, West Nile, SARS, Zika, and Swine Flu---turned out to be complete unproven duds---does this history matter?

OF COURSE NOT. IT HAS TO BE THE VIRUS. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE?

A face on a television screen watched by millions of people says CORONAVIRUS. Therefore, case closed.

In 2009, in La Gloria, Mexico, on a giant commercial pig farm, pig feces and urine are allowed to bake and steam and bubble in the sun. These deposits are called lagoons. They're so large, you can see them from outer space. Toxic chemicals are routinely sprayed and laid out like whipped cream on the lagoons. Workers are falling ill. New workers are brought in to spray even more toxic chemicals. Workers die. Then the Centers for Disease Control sends in their tuned-up virus hunters to look for the germ causing the "mysterious" illness. They claim to find a Swine Flu virus. IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE? THE DECAYING PIG **** AND URINE? The layers of poisonous chemicals? Don't be ridiculous.

Later, in the summer of 2009, CBS investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson discovers that the overwhelming percentage of tissue samples from US Swine Flu patients are coming back from labs with no sign of ANY KIND OF FLU. The virus isn't there.

And yet, of course, we have this, written in the summer of 2009: From healthwyze[dot]org: "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has a patent for, Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof (patent #8124101). It was filed in 2005 for approval. The makers of the human variant of the swine flu virus waited until the patent was finally approved in January of 2009, before unleashing the virus into the wild. The makers of the swine flu vaccine had begun the lengthy patenting process long before the swine flu supposedly existed, which means that the outbreak was no accident, and the virus is clearly not natural. Patents only apply to man-made items, and natural things cannot be patented. The virus conveniently went public only after its vaccine patent was approved, after patiently waiting 3 years for that to happen. The pandemic was declared just five months after the patent was approved, in June of 2009. The tremendous hysteria following the outbreak was promoted by the same groups who had invented this genetically engineered virus. The word 'invented' was actually used to describe the virus in the patent application."

What do you know about that? Back then, there were reports that the Swine Flu Virus---which couldn't even be found in the overwhelmingly number of US patients---was actually a biowarfare germ. Sound familiar? Swine Flu was a DUD.

Another epidemic that was going to infect the world? West Nile Virus. Another dud. But here from an old whale[dot]to article: "None of these theories [about West Nile] has deterred Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy from urging federal officials to determine if the introduction of WN virus is a terrorist attack. On September 12, 2002, Leahy declared: 'I think we have to ask ourselves: Is it a coincidence that we're seeing such an increase in WN virus - or is that something that's being tested as a biological weapon against us'." Sound familiar?

And here, from an old article at rediff[dot]com, a piece about another epidemic dud, SARS 2003 (800 people died out of 7 billion, and WHO researcher, Frank Plummer, told the press they couldn't even find the virus in all but a few Canadian patients): "The virus of atypical pneumonia, better known as SARS, or Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, was created artificially, possibly as a bacteriological weapon, Sergei Kolesnikov, academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, told a press conference in the Siberian town of Irkutsk on Thursday, the Russian RIA Novosti news agency reported."

"According to Kolesnikov, the virus of atypical pneumonia is a synthesis of the viruses of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps, the natural compound of which is impossible. This can be done only in a laboratory, he said."

"Kolesnikov added that in creating bacteriological weapons, a protective anti-viral vaccine is, as a rule, worked out at the same time, so a medicine for atypical pneumonia may soon appear."

"He did not, however, rule out the possibility that the virus could have spread accidentally as a result of "an unsanctioned leakage" from a biological weapons laboratory."

Sound familiar? And yet the "epidemic" was a dud.

I would take these duds, and the concomitant warnings of engineered pandemic viruses, as further evidence that, if any engineering was going on, it was the "lite" version I've described in reference to COVID-19: the duds were previous attempts to stitch together the illusion of a pandemic---attempts that fell short of success, or were designed as smaller test runs leading up to what we have now.

The ceaseless propaganda promoting "deadly viruses" is essential to creating the pandemic illusion...and sometimes you can see through the illusion in graphic terms. Quite, quite clearly. In 1987, a doctor calls me, while I'm writing my first book, AIDS INC. He tells me he's built a small AIDS clinic where a group of poverty-stricken patients can rest in clean surroundings, eat nutritious food, and grow beans and sell them for a small amount of money. This doctor is mainstream. He's given his patients no medical treatment. He knows that THE VIRUS, HIV, is said to be a remorseless killer. But, he tells me, all his patients have recovered; they no longer have symptoms. They're healthy. He's puzzled, confused, and distraught. He asks me, "What should I do next?" He knows the AIDS drugs are highly toxic. He senses that giving them to his now-healthy patients would bring on a disaster. Oh but you see, according to the propaganda masquerading as science, IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. WHAT ELSE COULD BE CAUSING THESE PEOPLE TO BECOME SICK IN THE FIRST PLACE? Drinking the water in their villages---water mixed directly with sewage? Hunger? Starvation? Toxic vaccines pushing their depleted immune systems over the edge of the cliff? Don't be ridiculous. IT MUST BE HIV.

In an interview, a famous New York doctor tells me all scientists agree that HIV is the cause of AIDS because, well, the scientists who don't agree can't get their findings published. He's telling me all VISIBLE scientists agree.

Several years ago, during the Zika virus hysteria (another dud epidemic, of microcephaly, that surely would "decimate populations"), researchers in the epicenter, in Brazil, report that only between 10 and 15 percent of Zika patients have any trace of the virus---they can't find it in the other patients. This amounts to a bald confession that Zika is eliminated as the cause of disease in pregnant women. But no one listens. IT MUST BE THE VIRUS. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE?

Well, it turns out it could be ANY INJURY OF ANY KIND TO A PREGNANT MOTHER---causing her baby to be born with a smaller head and brain damage, called microcephaly.

But here, in a 2016 article from thesleuthjournal[dot]com, we have this: "It's [Zika virus] being spread by genetically engineered mosquitos. Is it the latest example of US biowarfare? America's sordid history suggests it."

If it was being spread in that fashion, it wasn't working to cause disease. It was a failure. But as propaganda, it was a success.

And of course, the World Health organization hit the hysteria button at the time with their own brand of propaganda. From marketwatch[dot]com, January 28, 2016: "The World Health Organization will convene an emergency committee in Geneva on Monday to discuss the mosquito-borne Zika virus, which the organization's head said is spreading 'explosively' and which many doctors and health officials believe is linked to an unprecedented outbreak of babies born with small heads in Brazil...'The level of alarm is extremely high,' WHO Director-General Margaret Chan said in remarks to the public-health agency's executive board...WHO's announcement underscores the speed with which a virus that began as an obscure tropical malady afflicting Africa and then several remote Western Pacific islands has transformed into a major international health concern, particularly in the Americas."

Dud. If WHO could squeeze out more fear, NOW, in 2020, about an ever-expanding Zika crisis, don't you think they would? Even THEY'VE given up the ghost on that campaign. Meaning: they achieved their goal of creating alarm and public acceptance of THE VIRUS one more time. No need to go further for the moment.

The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

"Well, they broke the ice. This is what we've been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale."

And they did sell it.

As I discovered in 1987, when I was researching AIDS, the basic epidemic con involves grouping all sorts of people and groups who are suffering from different traditional diseases, environmental toxicities, and certain new NON-VIRUS conditions UNDER ONE UMBRELLA LABEL. And then saying they're all sick because of one virus. That is the central illusion.

Finally, I need to make a general comment about the effects of viruses on humans. These effects have been vastly overrated. Consider the proponents of the so-called "hot zone" hypothesis. For many years, they've claimed that viruses coming out of rainforests and traveling, in the modern age, to distant countries would cause horrific consequences---in the form of a cascade of MANY new diseases.

Why? Because the immune systems of people, unacquainted with these novel germs, would lack the capacity to ward them off. But that prediction has not come to pass.

The hot zone advocates have also failed to mention that the reverse vector of travel should also result in massive epidemics: in other words, viruses which are routinely carried by Americans and Europeans---and cause them no harm---should be decimating native peoples in rainforests, since the "more civilized" people travel in great numbers into jungles. The decimation has not come to pass. Native peoples have been uprooted and damaged by industry, but they haven't been wiped out by American or European viruses.

In fact, when you think about it, all countries and locales tend to have their own viruses which are endemic and harmless to locals, but when carried to other lands, should be wreaking havoc.

But they aren't. We should all be dead many times over. But we aren't.

The hot zone fear stories should also be dead by now. But they still attract adherents.

[Caliban]

Here's a quote from Frank Zappa that I posted recently in the great quotes thread, but it bears repeating because of how profoundly resonant it seems at this moment.


At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

So, are we seeing the scriptwriters work laid bare? And what do we, the "extras" (in their eyes) do now?

[amor]

This is a whistle blower post to Project Camelot New Website. He posted it in solid caps. Please make Viral.

"I am a senior Chinese military intelligence officer and I know the truth about the coronavirus outbreak. It is far worse than the media are telling you.

"I AM A CHINESE CITIZEN IN WUHAN WHO OCCUPIES — OR PERHAPS OCCUPIED — A HIGH-RANKING POSITION IN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. AS A SENIOR OFFICIAL NEAR THE TOP OF THE PARTY, I HAVE ACCESS TO A GREAT DEAL OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY TOP SECRET GOVERNMENT PROJECTS. I HAVE A DOCTORATE FROM A LEADING UNIVERSITY IN A WESTERN COUNTRY, WHICH IS WHY I AM ABLE TO WRITE MY ACCOUNT IN ENGLISH.I HAVE INFORMATION THAT I BELIEVE COULD LEAD TO THE OVERTHROW OF MY GOVERNMENT. IT IS ALSO RELEVANT TO BILLIONS OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF CHINA, ALL OF WHOM ARE NOW IN EXISTENTIAL PERIL.IT WILL NOT SURPRISE YOU TO HEAR THAT IF MY IDENTITY WERE TO BE REVEALED, MY LIFE WOULD BE IN GRAVE DANGER, AS WOULD THOSE OF MY WIFE AND SON. I ASK YOU TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT I HAVE STRIPPED OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT ALL FACTS THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY TO IDENTIFY ME.BY NOW YOU WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH THE RECENT OUTBREAK OF 2019-NCOV, ALSO KNOWN AS NCP, OR SIMPLY “CORONAVIRUS”. YOU WILL HAVE HEARD THAT IT ORIGINATED IN WUHAN, AN INDUSTRIAL CITY IN CHINA, AND THAT IT CAME FROM AN ANIMAL — MOST LIKELY A BAT OR A PANGOLIN — THAT WAS SOLD IN A WILD ANIMAL MARKET. YOU WILL HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS AN INFLUENZA-LIKE ILLNESS THAT CAN IN SEVERE CASES CAUSE PNEUMONIA, RESPIRATORY FAILURE AND DEATH. FINALLY, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT ALTHOUGH THE DISEASE IS HIGHLY INFECTIOUS, IT IS DANGEROUS ONLY TO THE ELDERLY OR TO THOSE WHO HAVE A COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEM. THE OFFICIAL LETHALITY RATE IS APPROXIMATELY 2% OR SO.ALL OF THAT IS A BUNCH OF LIES CONCOCTED BY THE CHINESE STATE WITH THE TACIT SUPPORT OF THE U.S. DEEP STATE AND ITS FRIENDS IN THE EUROPEAN UNION, RUSSIA AND AUSTRALIA, AND SPREAD BY THE DOCILE MEDIA IN ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES.LET ME START BY TELLING YOU THAT THE WORLD DOES NOT OPERATE THE WAY YOU THINK IT DOES. ALTHOUGH COUNTRIES LIKE THE US AND CHINA VIE FOR GLOBAL DOMINANCE, THAT COMPETITION IS RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN LIMITED AREAS. IN MOST WAYS, THE TWO COUNTRIES ARE MORE INTERESTED IN COOPERATION SO THAT THEY CAN STOP OTHER COMPETING COUNTRIES FROM GAINING MORE POWER. THEY ALSO HAVE A SHARED INTEREST IN KEEPING REAL POWER OUT OF THE HANDS OF THEIR “ORDINARY” CITIZENS. TO THIS END, THEY HAVE MANY DIFFERENT MECHANISMS BY WHICH THEY CONTROL THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THEIR MEDIA OUTLETS. THE AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR HAVE PERFECTED THE ART OF CREATING MADE-UP “DIVISIONS” BETWEEN THEIR TWO MAIN PARTIES WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO HIDE THE FACT THAT BOTH SERVE THE SAME MASTERS.THESE SAME NATIONS ALSO POSSES TECHNOLOGY THAT IS FAR MORE ADVANCED THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE AND WHICH IS KEPT CAREFULLY HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW. THIS INCLUDES ADVANCED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE CAPABLE OF UNDERMINING AND DECIDING ANY ELECTION IN THE WORLD; BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL AGENTS THAT CAN MANIPULATE AND CONTROL THE THINKING PATTERNS AND BEHAVIOURS OF CITIZENS TO TERRIFYING DEGREES; HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED MANIPULATION TECHNIQUES USING HYPNOTIC PRACTICES ENTIRELY UNKNOWN TO THE PUBLIC; AND OTHER THINGS THAT I WILL NOT GO INTO NOW. MY POINT IS THAT THE GREAT NATIONS DO NOT COMPETE SO MUCH AS WORK TOGETHER. THEIR PRINCIPAL GOAL IS TO SHIELD THE TRUE WORKINGS OF THE WORLD FROM THE “UNINITIATED” PUBLIC.JUST TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE, THERE AREN’T ACTUALLY ANY NUCLEAR WEAPONS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. THE U.S. AND THE SOVIET UNION SCRAPPED THEM ALL IN THE 1970S, AS DID THEIR CLIENT STATES. EVERYONE REALISED THAT THOSE WEAPONS COULD NOT BE USED WITHOUT DESTROYING THE WHOLE WORLD, SO THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM; BUT BY PRETENDING THAT THEY STILL HAD THEM, THE BIG PLAYERS WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE NON-NUCLEAR POWERS IN LINE.LET ME RETURN TO THE VIRUS.LAST YEAR, LARGE-SCALE ANTI-GOVERNMENT PROTESTS ERUPTED IN HONG KONG. THE STANDING COMMITTEE OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY CONSIDERED THESE TO BE A GRAVE THREAT TO THE INTEGRITY AND STABILITY OF THE MOTHERLAND. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND THE EU BOTH KNEW THAT THE CHINESE WERE SECRETLY WORKING ON A BIOLOGICAL AGENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE PROTESTERS DOCILE AND OBEDIENT. WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL, I WORKED ON THAT PROJECT. WE TRIED TO DEVELOP A SORT OF SPRAY THAT COULD BE DISPERSED FROM HELICOPTERS OR DRONES AND THAT WOULD LEAD TO MENTAL RETARDATION AND BEHAVIOURAL CHANGE.NATURALLY, AS HONG KONG IS ONE OF THE MOST OPEN AND INTERNATIONAL CITIES IN THE WORLD, THE PARTY DECIDED THAT IT WAS TOO RISKY TO RELEASE THE AGENT IN HONG KONG WITHOUT FIRST TESTING IT. FOR THIS, IT NEEDED A GREAT NUMBER OF HUMAN GUINEA PIGS. TWO GROUPS WERE IDENTIFIED FOR THIS.FIRST, WE ROUNDED UP A LARGE NUMBER OF SO-CALLED “ISLAMIC RADICALS” IN XINJIANG PROVINCE AND TOOK THEM TO WHAT WE CALLED “TRAINING CAMPS“. WE HAD ALREADY BEEN USING THESE CAMPS FOR HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT THE HONG KONG PROTESTS MEANT THAT WE REDOUBLED OUR EFFORTS. WE EXPOSED THE INMATES TO VARIOUS “ALPHA” EXPERIMENTAL AGENTS. AS THESE WERE ODOURLESS AND INVISIBLE, THE SUBJECTS WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE TAKING PART IN MEDICAL TRIALS. THE RESULTING HIGH RATES OF CANCER, PREMATURE DEMENTIA, SUICIDAL DEPRESSION AND DEATH BY ORGAN FAILURE COULD EASILY BE SUPPRESSED, AS THE CAMPS ARE LOCATED IN VERY REMOTE PARTS OF OUR MOTHERLAND.ONCE THE INITIAL EXPERIMENTS HAD YIELDED A “BETA” AGENT, IT WAS TRANSPORTED TO HUBEI PROVINCE, WHERE IT WAS DEPLOYED IN A SPECIAL MILITARY TESTING FACILITY OUTSIDE THE CITY OF WUHAN. THIS WAS NOT EVEN A PARTICULARLY WELL-KEPT SECRET: THE EXISTENCE OF THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN REPORTED IN INTERNATIONAL NEWS. EVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE WILD ANIMAL MARKET IS A KNOWN FACT.BY THEN OUR PRESIDENT HAD ALREADY INTRODUCED A “SOCIAL CREDIT” SYSTEM THAT ALLOWED US TO IDENTIFY DISLOYAL, COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY AND BOURGEOIS ELEMENTS IN OUR SOCIETY. USING THE SOCIAL CREDIT SCORES — WHICH ARE TAKEN FROM ONLINE ACTIVITY, ELECTRONIC SHOPPING BEHAVIOUR AND REPORTS FROM INFORMERS IN CIVIL SOCIETY — WE SELECTED SOME OF THE WORST OFFENDERS. THESE INCLUDED HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS AND ACTIVISTS, CHRISTIANS, HOMOSEXUALS, ARTISTS, INTELLECTUALS, PEOPLE WHO SPEAK FOREIGN LANGUAGES, AND OTHER UNDESIRABLES.ONCE THESE TROUBLEMAKERS HAD BEEN COLLECTED AND PLACED IN THE TESTING FACILITY, WE EXPOSED THEM TO THE AGENT, WHICH IS BIOCHEMICAL IN NATURE AND SPREAD IN AN INVISIBLE AEROSOL, AKIN TO CERTAIN VIRUSES. INITIAL RESULTS WERE ENCOURAGING, AS WE SAW SIGNIFICANT COGNITIVE DECLINE AND REDUCTION IN HIGHER MENTAL PROCESSING FACILITIES. ESSENTIALLY, OUR UNDESIRABLES WERE BECOMING MILDLY MENTALLY DISABLED, WHICH IS PRECISELY THE EFFECT WE WANTED TO PRODUCE IN ORDER TO PACIFY THE RESTIVE POPULATION OF HONG KONG.UNFORTUNATELY, IT QUICKLY BECAME APPARENT THAT THE AGENT ALSO HAD OTHER EFFECTS. ABOUT ONE WEEK AFTER THE RETARDATION SET IN, OUR SUBJECTS DEVELOPED MAJOR ANXIETY AND PANIC ATTACKS. EVENTUALLY THEY DEVELOPED SYMPTOMS AKIN TO THOSE OF PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENICS. AT THAT POINT, THEIR BODIES RAPIDLY DETERIORATED. THEY DEVELOPED MASSIVE INTERNAL BLEEDING; THE WALLS OF THEIR ARTERIES DISSOLVED; THEY BLED OUT OF THEIR EYES AND ORIFICES, AND THEIR TISSUE DISINTEGRATED.TO PUT IT IN A MORE DIRECT WESTERN MANNER, THEY STARTED TO MELT.DEATH USUALLY OCCURRED THROUGH MULTIPLE ORGAN FAILURE. THIS WAS PRECEDED BY AT LEAST FIVE DAYS OF SEVERE AGONY WHICH COULD NOT BE ALLEVIATED BY PAINKILLERS. IT WAS AT THIS TIME THAT I FIRST VIOLATED OUR PROTOCOL: ONE SUBJECT, AN ELDERLY LADY WHO HAD PUBLISHED DEFAMATORY CARTOONS OF OUR PRESIDENT, BEGGED ME FOR DEATH WITH SUCH INSISTENCE THAT I TOOK PITY AND SHOT HER. I WAS REPRIMANDED, BUT FORTUNATELY THE COMPLAINT WAS DROPPED WHEN I AGREED TO REIMBURSE THE COST OF THE BULLET. I SWORE TO MYSELF NEVER AGAIN TO SHOW SUCH UNNECESSARY EMOTION.WE DECIDED THAT OUR AGENT WAS UNUSABLE. IT WAS FAR TOO DESTRUCTIVE FOR OUR PURPOSES. WE WANTED THE POPULATION OF HONG KONG TO SUBMIT TO US; WE DID NOT WANT TO EXTERMINATE IT.NATURALLY, OUR AMERICAN FRIENDS HAD BY THEN TAKEN AN INTEREST IN OUR WORK AND ASKED US FOR A SAMPLE FOR THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND TESTING PURPOSES. THEY HINTED THAT THEY WISHED TO USE IT TO RESOLVE CERTAIN DIFFICULTIES IN VENEZUELA. NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE AGREED, AS WE MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS WITH THE CIA, BUT GIVEN THE EXTREMELY TOXIC NATURE OF THE AGENT, WE DECLINED.THIS, AS IT TURNED OUT, WAS A GRAVE MISTAKE. THE CIA WAS CONVINCED THAT WE HAD DEVELOPED SOMETHING VERY POWERFUL AND WANTED TO KEEP IT TO OURSELVES. THEY OFFERED A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TO ONE OF OUR RESEARCHERS. FOOLISHLY, HE AGREED TO SELL THEM A SPECIMEN. WE FOUND OUT JUST IN TIME FOR THE HANDOVER AND TRIED TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING. IN THE ENSUING SHOOT-OUT — DON’T BOTHER TO LOOK FOR IT IN THE NEWS, IT WAS NEVER REPORTED ANYWHERE — SEVERAL DOZEN PEOPLE WERE KILLED.MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOWEVER, THE AGENT ESCAPED.THE SHOOT-OUT TOOK PLACE AT THE WILD ANIMAL MARKET WHICH HAS BEEN REPORTED AS THE LOCATION OF THE “ANIMAL TO HUMAN” TRANSMISSION THAT STARTED THE OUTBREAK. BUT OF COURSE THERE WAS NO SUCH TRANSMISSION; IT WAS JUST THE LOCATION WHERE THE CIA WAS SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE THE SEALED VIAL CONTAINING THE AGENT. THE VIAL SHATTERED WHEN IT WAS DROPPED BY THE TRAITOR WHO HAD AGREED TO SELL IT TO THE AMERICANS.BY NOW I UNDERSTAND YOU WILL BE SCEPTICAL. IF I REALLY AM WHO I SAY I AM, WHY WOULD I BE SHARING THIS INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET? LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT I AM NO FRIEND OF THE WESTERN SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE. I LOVE MY MOTHERLAND AND I AM LOYAL TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY. IT HAS LIFTED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MY COMPATRIOTS OUT OF SQUALOR AND POVERTY. HOWEVER, I AM ALSO A HUMAN BEING AND I HAVE A CONSCIENCE.MOST IMPORTANTLY, I HAVE A WIFE AND A SON.ONCE WE REALISED THAT THE AGENT HAD ESCAPED AND WOULD START TO SPREAD, WE SWIFTLY PUT ALL OF WUHAN INTO LOCKDOWN. I WAS ONE OF THOSE TASKED TO MANAGE THE FALLOUT OF THE CONTAMINATION. OF COURSE WE COULD NOT KEEP SUCH A HUGE UNDERTAKING SECRET, SO WE DECIDED TO ORDER OUR STATE MEDIA TO REPORT THAT A “CORONAVIRUS” HAD BROKEN OUT IN WUHAN.IN REALITY, OF COURSE, THERE IS NO “CORONAVIRUS”. IT WAS ALL MADE UP.IT WAS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO CAME UP WITH THE GENIUS IDEA OF PRETENDING THAT PEOPLE WITH THE COMMON FLU SUFFERED FROM THE CORONAVIRUS. THIS ALLOWED US TO HIDE THE TRUE NATURE OF THE DISEASE. LET ME EXPLAIN.IT IS CURRENTLY FLU SEASON IN CHINA. WHEN WE REALISED THAT WE COULD NO LONGER CONTROL THE SPREAD OF THE AGENT, WE SENT OUR MEN TO ALL THE HOSPITALS AND INSTRUCTED ALL DOCTORS TO DIAGNOSE EVERY CASE OF THE COMMON FLU AS “CORONAVIRUS”. WE CAME UP WITH A NEW NAME — 2019-NCOV — AND HANDED OUT “FACTSHEETS” THAT DESCRIBED A MADE-UP ILLNESS.THE RESULT OF THIS DECISION WAS THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SIMPLY SUFFERING FROM A COLD OR FLU WERE NOW DIAGNOSED AS HAVING A MYSTERIOUS CORONAVIRUS THAT, ALTHOUGH INFECTIOUS, WAS NOT OFTEN LETHAL. WHILE THIS FRIGHTENED THE PUBLIC, IT ALLOWED US TO PUSH THE NARRATIVE THAT THE DISEASE WAS NOT THAT DEADLY; IT ALSO GAVE US TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE CATASTROPHE THAT WAS SURE TO COME BY IMPOSING A LOCKDOWN ON WUHAN AND OTHER CITIES IN HUBEI PROVINCE.YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THIS IN THE NEWS — AND GIVEN THE SIZE OF WUHAN, WITH ITS POPULATION OF 11 MILLION, IT IS NOT KNOWN EVEN TO MANY OF THE RESIDENTS — BUT WITHIN DAYS THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS WERE INFECTED AND BEFORE LONG THEY SUFFERED THE AGONISING DEATHS THAT I HAVE ALREADY DESCRIBED. WITHIN A WEEK, THERE WERE SO MANY CORPSES THAT WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM, SO WE ORDERED THE SURVIVING SOCIAL CREDIT PRISONERS TO DRIVE THE BODIES INTO THE COUNTRYSIDE AND BURY THEM IN MASS GRAVES. BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP THIS ACTIVITY SECRET, AND WE COULD NOT EVEN KEEP UP AS THERE WERE SO MANY CORPSES. WE PLANTED A STORY THAT FIVE MILLION RESIDENTS HAD “FLED” WUHAN. IN REALITY, OF COURSE, MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HAD DIED FROM THE AGENT.I WAS WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK HELPING TO ORCHESTRATE THIS COVER-UP. WHEN I THINK BACK TO MY ACTIONS NOW, I FEEL GREAT SHAME. AT THE TIME I STILL BELIEVED THAT I WAS FIGHTING FOR MY MOTHERLAND AND THAT THE RULE OF THE PARTY WAS RIGHT AND JUST. BUT DEEP DOWN, I HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO HAVE DOUBTS.MY FAITH IN THE PARTY WAS SHAKEN EVEN MORE DEEPLY WHEN I LEARNT WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO DR LI WENLIANG. HE WAS ONE OF THE FEW DOCTORS WHO REFUSED FALSELY TO DIAGNOSE FLU PATIENTS WITH THE “CORONAVIRUS”. AS A PUNISHMENT, HE WAS SENT TO HELP TRANSPORT DEAD BODIES TO MASS GRAVES. THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT HE WOULD BE INFECTED WITH THE AGENT AND DIE AN AGONISING DEATH, BUT TO OUR GREAT SURPRISE, HE DID NOT CONTRACT THE ILLNESS.YOU HAVE OF COURSE READ THAT HE DIED OF “CORONAVIRUS”. YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED. A SERGEANT OF THE PEOPLE’S ARMED POLICE INJECTED HIM WITH A MIXTURE OF HEROIN AND MERCURY THAT CAUSED HIS LUNGS TO DEFLATE.WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS I BECAME UNSURE WHETHER OR NOT I WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING. WHILE I BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A GOVERNMENT TO RULE WITH A SEVERE HAND, I DO NOT THINK THAT IT WAS RIGHT TO KILL DR LI. HE WAS A COMPASSIONATE AND KIND MAN AND HE CARED ABOUT HIS PATIENTS; HOW CAN OUR MOTHERLAND NOT BENEFIT FROM HAVING SUCH A DOCTOR?I SHARED MY CONCERNS WITH MY WIFE, BUT SHE CONVINCED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING TO MY SUPERIORS. SHE SAID THAT IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS; THAT THEY VALUED LOYALTY ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE; AND THAT I WOULD ONLY FIND TROUBLE IF I ADMITTED TO MY DOUBTS ABOUT THEIR PRACTICES. SHE ALSO POINTED OUT THAT WE BENEFITED FROM PRIORITY MEDICAL TREATMENT. AS SENIOR OFFICIALS, WE RECEIVED REGULAR SUPPLIES OF THE HIGHLY-SOPHISTICATED HAZMAT MASKS THAT ARE THE ONLY KNOWN TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN PREVENT INFECTION. SHE IMPLORED ME TO THINK OF OUR SON, WHO IS STILL SMALL. IF I SPOKE OUT AND WERE CAUGHT, OUR LIVES WOULD BE AT RISK.AROUND THE SAME TIME, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE AGENT WAS ENTIRELY BEYOND OUR CONTROL. IT WAS SPREADING LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGHOUT HUBEI PROVINCE AND BEYOND, INFECTING TENS OF MILLIONS AND CAUSING THEM ALL TO DIE.I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I JUST SAID IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ONLY ABOUT 50,000 INFECTIONS, AND FAR FEWER DEATHS. BUT THESE ARE THE INFLUENZA INFECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FALSELY PASSED OFF AS THE NON-EXISTENT “CORONAVIRUS”. THE AGENT IS FAR, FAR MORE CONTAGIOUS THAN THAT, AND ITS FATALITY RATE, UNLIKE THE “CORONAVIRUS”, IS NOT 2%.NO, ITS FATALITY RATE IS 100%. NOBODY RECOVERS FROM IT. EVERYBODY WHO CONTRACTS IT DIES.AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONTRACTING IT.HUBEI PROVINCE LIES IN RUINS. THE VARIOUS TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS AND LOCKDOWNS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED WERE NOT CREATED TO STOP THE SPREAD OF THE AGENT — NONE OF THEM CAN STOP IT, NOT EMBARGOES, NOT FACE MASKS OR HAND SANITISER — BUT TO STOP THE SURVIVORS FROM SEEING THE CATASTROPHE WITH THEIR OWN EYES.I AM PART OF THE GREATEST COVER-UP IN HUMAN HISTORY: THE HIDING OF THE DEATHS OF TENS OF MILLIONS. VERY SOON, HUBEI PROVINCE WILL BE NO MORE THAN A GIANT MORTUARY, AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.FOR ME, THE TURNING POINT CAME WHEN THE PARTY TOLD YET ANOTHER LIE, AND THAT LIE WAS TOO DREADFUL EVEN FOR ME TO ACCEPT. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT CHINA BUILT A NEW HOSPITAL, CALLED HUOSHENSHAN HOSPITAL, IN WUHAN, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL QUARANTINE AND ISOLATION FACILITIES FOR INFECTED PATIENTS. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT THEY BUILT IT IN ONLY TEN DAYS.THAT TOO IS A LIE.SURE, THEY DID BUILD SOMETHING IN SIX DAYS. BUT IT WAS NOT A HOSPITAL. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE BUILDING WAS TOP SECRET. INITIALLY, I WAS NAIVE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT THE PARTY WAS DEMONSTRATING ITS COMPASSION AND CARE FOR THE PEOPLE. BUT THEN MY SUPERIORS SENT ME TO HUOSHENSHAN. I WAS SHOWN AROUND THE INSTALLATION BY A MILITARY POLICE OFFICER CALLED CORPORAL MENG (THIS IS NOT HIS REAL NAME). IT WAS THERE THAT I SAW THE TRUTH.AS I HAVE MENTIONED, THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT ONESELF FROM THE AGENT IS BY WEARING A SPECIAL PROTECTIVE MASK THAT IS ENTIRELY UNLIKE THOSE AVAILABLE COMMERCIALLY. EVEN MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. IT IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO BIOMEDICAL WARFARE RESEARCHERS AND IT CONTAINS EXTREMELY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY.THESE MASKS NEED TO BE KEPT AT A PARTICULAR TEMPERATURE TO OFFER FULL PROTECTION, AND LOSE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS VERY QUICKLY. AS I HAVE ALSO ALREADY SAID, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF MY POSITION WAS THAT BOTH MY FAMILY AND I HAD ACCESS TO REGULAR SUPPLIES, WHICH IS WHY WERE SAFE WHEN COMPARED TO CIVILIANS, DOCTORS AND EVEN LOWER-LEVEL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, ALL OF WHOM WORE UTTERLY INEFFECTIVE SURGICAL MASKS IN THE MISGUIDED BELIEF THAT THEY WOULD PROTECT THEM.AND SO, WEARING THIS SPECIAL EQUIPMENT, I WENT TO HUOSHENSHAN WITH CORPORAL MENG.WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT PLACE, IT IS NOT A HOSPITAL. SURE, THE ENTRANCE LOOKS LIKE A HOSPITAL AND IN THE WARD AT THE FRONT OF THE COMPLEX, THERE ARE WHAT APPEAR TO BE NORMAL MEDICAL BEDS. THERE, THOUSANDS OF INFECTED PATIENTS LIE, ALL OF THEM IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE DISEASE. I WALKED ALONG THOSE LONG, WHITE CORRIDORS NEXT TO CORPORAL MENG, HIS ANGULAR FACE DISPASSIONATE IN HIS MILITARY FATIGUES, AND SAW HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF IDENTICAL HOSPITAL BEDS ON WHICH SQUIRMED THE TERRIFIED AND DISEASED INHABITANTS OF WUHAN. THEIR CRIES AND PLEAS HAUNT ME IN THE LONG NIGHTS IN WHICH I NOW AM UNABLE TO SLEEP.BUT THIS WAS MERELY THE BEGINNING. EVENTUALLY THE CORPORAL TOOK ME TO THE REAR OF THIS FRONT SECTION. THERE, LOCKED METAL GATES LED TO WHAT HE CALLED THE “MIDDLE SECTION”. THE PATIENTS IN THE FRONT ARE UNAWARE OF ITS EXISTENCE. IT IS THERE THAT THE MORE ADVANCED CASES ARE KEPT, IN WHAT MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES A MENTAL ASYLUM.IMMEDIATELY UPON ENTERING THIS PART OF HUOSHENSHAN I WAS STRUCK BY THE DIM LIGHTING AND STENCH OF VOMIT AND HUMAN WASTE. HERE THE UNFORTUNATES ROAMED FREELY, THEIR MINDS GRADUALLY DISINTEGRATING IN ENDLESS PANIC ATTACKS AND PSYCHOTIC EPISODES. HERE TOO THERE WERE NO MORE DOCTORS, MERELY GORILLA-FACED MEN IN BLACK UNIFORMS WHO BELONGED TO SOME SECRET BRANCH OF THE MILITARY POLICE I HAD NEVER HEARD OF.THEY APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THEIR CRUELTY, FOR THEY BEAT AND DEGRADED THE PATIENTS IN THE MOST SADISTIC MANNER. MANY OF THE INMATES HAD REGRESSED TO CHILDLIKE STATES AND LAY ON THE FLOOR WEEPING LIKE INFANTS AND BEGGING FOR COMPASSION THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE. THERE WAS CRUEL PLEASURE IN THE EYES OF THESE THUGS AS THEY BRUTALISED THE UNFORTUNATES. THEY BEAT THEM WITH BATONS, SPRAYED PEPPER SPRAY INTO THEIR EYES AND KICKED THEM WITH THEIR STEEL-CAPPED BOOTS. AS I WAS FROM MILITARY INTELLIGENCE, THE GUARDS DID NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TO HIDE THEIR ACTIVITIES. THEY EVEN INVITED ME TO JOIN; IN EVERY WAY, THEY TREATED ME AS ONE OF THEM.YES, ONE OF THEM. I STOOD IN THE GREY STAFF BATHROOM OF HUOSHENSHAN AND LOOKED INTO A CHEAP MIRROR AND ASKED MYSELF — IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOU ARE? ARE YOU REALLY LIKE THEM?BUT THE VIOLENCE WAS NOT MERELY AN EXPRESSION OF SADISM, FOR THE POOR INMATES WERE NOT THERE TO BE CARED FOR.THEY WERE THERE TO WORK.THERE WAS ONE MORE SET OF DOORS, AND BEYOND THEM LAY WHAT THE CORPORAL CALLED THE “CORE”. AND IT WAS THERE THAT I SAW IT — PILES AND PILES OF DEAD BODIES, STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER ALL THE WAY TO THE CEILING. THERE WERE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, ELDERLIES AND TODDLERS, RICH AND POOR, BEAUTIFUL AND MISSHAPEN, PROUD AND HUMBLE.THEY WERE ALL OF THEM DEAD. OUR AGENT MADE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THEM.I GASPED WHEN THE CORPORAL LED ME TO THE CORE. I CANNOT COUNT HOW MANY THERE WERE, BUT IT WAS MANY, MANY THOUSANDS. AND IN THE MIDST OF THE PILES OF CORPSES WAS A KIND OF PATH, AND I HEARD A ROARING SOUND IN THE DISTANCE. THE MISERABLE PATIENTS FROM THE MIDDLE SECTION PICKED UP THE DEAD AND CARRIED AND DRAGGED THEM AWAY INTO THE DARK, EVEN AS THE GUARDS BEAT THEM WITH TRUNCHEONS.IT TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE I GRASPED WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I SIMPLY COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT LAY AT THE END OF THAT PATH IN THE CORE.IT WAS AN ENORMOUS FURNACE, WITH GREAT FIRES ROARING WITHIN.ONE BY ONE, THEIR MINDS DESTROYED AND THEIR BODIES TWISTED, THE DYING MEN AND WOMEN CARRIED THE CORPSES TO THE FURNACE AND CAST THEM INSIDE IN A DOOMED ATTEMPT TO HIDE THE DREADFUL TRUTH. I SAW SEVERAL OF THEM COLLAPSE FROM EXHAUSTION ONLY FOR THEIR LIFELESS BODIES TO BE ADDED TO THE MOUNTAINS OF CORPSES ON BOTH SIDES. IN A SEEMINGLY ENDLESS LINE THEY WENT, THEIR EMACIATED BODIES CLAD IN GREY OVERALLS, THEIR BACKS BENT UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THEIR DREADFUL CARGO. MANY HOWLED AND GROANED IN TERROR AND THEIR VOICES JOINED IN A SORROWFUL CACOPHONY THAT LINGERED OVER THE ROAR OF THE FIRES.IN DEEP SHOCK, I STARED AT THE BOUNDLESS HORROR BEFORE ME. BESIDE ME STOOD CORPORAL MENG, HIS FRESHLY-SHAVED FACE AS EMOTIONLESS AS BEFORE. WHEN I TURNED TO FACE HIM, HE LOOKED AT ME. HIS MOUTH SMILED, BUT HIS EYES DID NOT.”WE USE THE ENERGY TO OPERATE HUOSHENSHAN,” HE SAID. “WE SAVE THE STATE CONSIDERABLE RESOURCES IN THIS WAY. AND LOOK,” — HE WAVED AT THE GALLERY OF THE DEAD — “THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM HERE. YOU COULD ALMOST DESCRIBE IT AS RENEWABLE ENERGY.” HE LAUGHED AND WAVED HIS HAND IN A STRANGELY CAMP GESTURE.I STOOD SPEECHLESS AND STARED AT THE INFERNAL SCENES BEFORE ME. MEN IN BLACK UNIFORMS SCREAMED LIKE DAEMONS AT THE WRETCHES WHO WERE DISPOSING OF THE CORPSES FOR THEM. THEY STRIPPED THE DEAD OF ANYTHING THAT HAD VALUE — JEWELLERY, CASH, EXPENSIVE CLOTHING — AND TOSSED THESE ITEMS ONTO AN ENORMOUS PILE NEXT TO THE FURNACE. WHEN I ASKED THE CORPORAL WHAT WOULD BE DONE WITH THE ITEMS, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE USED TO PAY FOR THE “HEALTHCARE EXPENSES” INCURRED BY THE PATIENTS’ STAY IN HUOSHENSHAN.I VOMITED IN THE TOILET. WHEN I FLUSHED AND CAME OUT OF THE STALL, CORPORAL MENG STOOD BY THE DOOR AND LOOKED AT ME. HIS FACE WAS AS BLANK AS BEFORE, BUT IN HIS EYES I THOUGHT I REGISTERED A VERY FAINT TRACE OF CONTEMPT. YOU ARE TEN YEARS MY SENIOR, THE LOOK SAID, BUT YOU ARE SOFT.I THANKED HIM FOR HIS SERVICE AND WENT HOME.WHEN I ARRIVED, I SAW THAT I HAD RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF UPDATES ON THE ENCRYPTED DEVICE THE PARTY USES TO COMMUNICATE TO INSIDERS. THE NEWS WERE UNIMAGINABLY GRIM. THE STATE LEGAL AND ECONOMIC COMMISSION HAD ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF DOZENS OF FACILITIES LIKE HUOSHENSHAN ALL THROUGHOUT CHINA. THE AGENT HAD SPREAD NOT ONLY TO EVERY SINGLE PROVINCE OF THE MOTHERLAND, BUT TO MOST OTHER NATIONS IN THE WORLD. FORTUNATELY, WE HAD AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTS — THEY AGREED TO PRETEND THAT THE INFECTIONS WERE DUE TO A CORONAVIRUS. THEY WERE JUST AS WORRIED AS WE WERE THAT A PANIC MIGHT BREAK OUT IN THEIR COUNTRIES. THE AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR WERE TERRIFIED THAT THE S&P 500 MIGHT DECLINE. THIS, THEY SAID, WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE IN AN ELECTION YEAR, SO WE COULD COUNT ON THEIR FULL SUPPORT.OF COURSE THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION ALSO HELPED US. FOR A LONG TIME, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THE WHO HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A CONTEST WITH THE AMERICANS ABOUT WHO BRIBES THEM MORE. THEY RELEASED ALL SORTS OF SOPHISTICATED MISINFORMATION ABOUT HAVING DECODED THE DNA OF THE SO-CALLED CORONAVIRUS. ALL THIS HAS ALLOWED US TO STAVE OFF A GLOBAL PANIC.FOR NOW.YET THE SITUATION WAS WORSENING WITH ASTONISHING SPEED. I AM RELUCTANT TO REVEAL TOO MUCH ON THIS POINT, AS IT WOULD MAKE IT TOO EASY FOR MY ENEMIES TO IDENTIFY ME, BUT WE QUICKLY BEGAN TO IMPLEMENT MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR MOST SENIOR LEADERS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD NEWS, YOU WILL SEE THAT XI JINPING, OUR PRESIDENT, DISAPPEARED FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE WEEK AFTER THE OUTBREAK, BEFORE BEING SEEN AGAIN WITH THE LEADER OF CAMBODIA.YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE PERSON WHO MET THE CAMBODIAN LEADER WAS NOT PRESIDENT XI. IT WAS A BODY DOUBLE WHO HAD, FOR MANY YEARS, BEEN TRAINED TO LOOK AND SOUND JUST LIKE OUR PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT XI IS OF COURSE NOT CARELESS ENOUGH TO RISK HIS OWN DEATH. HE IS SAFELY ENSCONCED IN A SECRET BUNKER UNDERNEATH ZHONGNANHAI, THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE PARTY IN BEIJING.NOR WAS HE THE ONLY LEADER WHO IS IN HIDING. IN FACT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT OVER HALF OF ALL SENIOR PARTY MEMBERS ARE CURRENTLY BEING IMITATED BY TRAINED ACTORS WHO ARE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO THEM VIA SPECIAL IMPLANTS. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT OUR PRIME MINISTER WOULD RISK HIS LIFE BY GOING TO WUHAN?ALL OF THIS MEANS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME UTTERLY PARALYSED AND THE FUNCTIONS OF THE STATE HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE MILITARY.IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT OUR EFFORTS WERE POINTLESS. YES, THE LOCKDOWNS, TRAVEL BANS AND TARGETED ASSASSINATIONS OF REBELLIOUS JOURNALISTS ALLOWED US TO HIDE THE TRUE SITUATION IN WUHAN; BUT I KNEW THAT THIS WOULD NOT LAST. ONCE THE MASS DEATHS BEGIN IN THE REST OF THE WORLD — IN OUR ESTIMATION, THIS SHOULD HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO — EVERYONE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. IT WILL BECOME CLEAR THAT WE CANNOT PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE AGENT. SURGICAL MASKS, HAND SANITISER, GLOVES — NOTHING CAN STOP IT. NOTHING EXCEPT THE SPECIAL HAZMAT MASKS, BUT THOSE CANNOT BE PRODUCED IN ANYTHING LIKE SUFFICIENT QUANTITIES. YOU, AN ORDINARY PERSON, WILL NEVER EVEN RECEIVE ONE, LET ALONE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER TO SEE YOU THROUGH THE COMING HOLOCAUST.FOR THOSE OF YOU READING THIS, THEREFORE, ALL I CAN SUGGEST IS THAT YOU KEEP YOUR LOVED ONES CLOSE TO YOU. HUG THEM, TELL THEM WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU. ENJOY THE TIME YOU HAVE LEFT WITH THEM. IT IS NOT TYPICAL IN CHINESE CULTURE TO EXPRESS ONE’S FEELINGS IN THIS WAY, BUT I HAVE LEARNT THE IMPORTANCE OF SUCH GESTURES.I PROMISED MY WIFE THAT I WOULD SHOW THIS DOCUMENT TO HER BEFORE I POSTED IT.YET I BROKE MY WORD.I HEAR HER WEEP IN LOUD, HOARSE SOBS IN THE BEDROOM, AND THE KEYBOARD OF MY LAPTOP IS WET WITH MY OWN TEARS. NOT LONG AGO, WE RECEIVED RESULTS OF THE REGULAR TESTS THAT ARE PART OF OUR “PRIORITY MEDICAL TREATMENT”, AND WE LEARNT THAT MY SON HAD BEEN INFECTED WITH THE AGENT.THE MILITARY POLICE THAT HAS SUPPLIED ME WITH THE SPECIAL PROTECTIVE MASK HAD BEEN GIVING EXPIRED AND INEFFECTIVE MASKS TO MY SON, MASKS THAT SENIOR OFFICIALS HAD ALREADY WORN AND THEN DISCARDED WHEN THEY CEASED TO PROTECT THEM. MY OWN MASKS, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAD ALWAYS BEEN OF THE NECESSARY QUALITY.I SUPPOSE THEY DECIDED THAT MY SON WAS OF LOWER PRIORITY THAN ME. I SUPPOSE MY SON COULD NOT HELP THEM WITH THEIR COVER-UP.WE HAD LONG AGO DECIDED THAT WE WOULD BE DIFFERENT — WE WOULD BE HONEST WITH HIM, ALWAYS. AND SO WHEN HE ASKED US, WE TOLD HIM THE TRUTH. WE TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS VERY SICK. HE ASKED MORE, AND WE TOLD HIM HE WOULD NOT GET BETTER.HE CONTINUED ASKING, AND WE TOLD HIM THAT HE WOULD DIE. HE IS VERY SMALL, BUT HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND.HIS TERRIFIED WAILS WILL HAUNT ME FOR THE REST OF MY MISERABLE DAYS IN THIS WORLD.LET THEM COME. LET THEM DO WITH ME AS THEY WILL. I NO LONGER CARE."

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[waves]

And how convenient for the NWO to be ready for this accident! What a coincidence that they had their 1400pg new constitution destroying Patriot Act II ready to go, new memes like 'social distancing' ready to go, all the radio, tv, internet outlets ready to received the daily pre scripted escalation stories, and all the big wig financiers ready to make billions from shorting the market then betting correctly as they bounced it like a rubber ball for a few weeks, poised to capitalize on destroying all small businesses in the world and la ti da... just coincidentally all ready to demonize currency to introduce biometric digital currency worldwide and ready to use the excuse to chip and vaccine the world to coordinate with 5g control to be installed while putting the world on house arrest.

Nothing suspicious about that whistleblower's truth gift to humanity, is there?

DO NOT SHARE THE ALL CAPS BS.

[shaberon]

The capitalized statement claims there are no nuclear weapons; seems unlikely.

I am curious to watch the math play out locally, comparing the fact of a "curfew" starting now, to the past week, when we went from hundred-ish cases to over a thousand, into church, prison, and the Department of Revenue. The unemployment website is so overloaded, you can't log in. It went from a seasonal average of around 5,000 claims to 300,000.

A thousand "confirmed" cases suggests to me there must be 5,000 incubating or untested, aside from the issues of how specific this virus is or how you can accurately test for it, I can at least accept there is something new and different.

The church outbreak can be traced to a public event held on March 22, which seems well after the time frame of some restrictions and everyone supposedly being well aware about avoiding this. Most, or, a great deal of the other transmissions, can simply be chalked up to someone going to work (in some cases while symptomatic).

I guess nobody will let you "voluntarily infect" since crowds will be limited and they will enforce distance. Why there has to be a redundancy, "social distance", makes no sense, it must be some kind of Orwellian double-speak, it's just "distance".

Why "not traveling at night" is somehow better than letting shopping crowds thin themselves out over the whole twenty-four hours does not make much sense to me. Lots of times I specifically go out late to avoid most of the sick people so I don't have to deal with their regular old germs. This is a new one, like a collector's item, and in the long run, survivors are probably more beneficial than has-nots.

You can go to a park, but twenty-five were closed due to overcrowding.

[Ratszinger]

I would like to point out that even recently nuclear bombs have been set off and tested. In fact that has been ongoing in various places under water and in desert settings for some decades. What highly educated multi-lingual Chinese types use all caps? I see that I think youth, prank, some kid you know?

[greybeard]

Coronavirus Caused 1% Of All Deaths In England And Wales Last Week
HuffPost UK Chris York,HuffPost UK



Coronavirus accounted for 1% of all deaths in England and Wales in the week ending March 20, figures from the Office for National Statistics reveal.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-uk-ons-085812507.html

The new stats include people dying outside of hospitals whose death certificates mentioned Covid-19, including in combination with other health conditions.

Official numbers from the Department for Health and Social Care have so far only included deaths inside hospitals, though this is changing from Tuesday.

As a result, during the week ending March 20, the ONS counted 24% more deaths involving Covid-19 than the DHSC: 210 compared with 170.

[Iloveyou]

. . . irrelevant.

[araucaria]

I have a lifestyle that makes me more suited than most to cope with lockdown. So when like today I have a bad day, I think how tolerant we need to be of people who bend the rules to get by. And how we need to take a positive view of what is happening. In France, we don’t talk of lockdown, but of “confinement”. Normally speaking there are no obstetric connotations involved, but let’s just suppose there were: what are we bringing into the world? Right now George Monbiot is the man to read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/virus-neighbours-covid-19

[Luke Holiday]

David Icke hits a homerun with exposure of the covid 19 scam! must read to understand the nonsense regarding the covid 19 testing!

https://www.davidicke.com/article/566593/sanity-amid-madness-acquiescence-sheer-stupidity-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast

[Caliban]

David Icke hits a homerun with exposure of the covid 19 scam! must read to understand the nonsense regarding the covid 19 testing!

https://www.davidicke.com/article/566593/sanity-amid-madness-acquiescence-sheer-stupidity-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast

Icke's been great, read any of Rappaport's recent series of 40 or so articles. He's been talking about this bogus testing for many days.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

[Phoenix]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..

[Bill Ryan]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..No, not because you disagree with me. Many people do, and many people disagree with each other here. That's all fine, and it's important.

That's how we all reach the truth together. It's a team effort. Behind the spirited discussions, there's almost always a great deal of mutual respect and friendship. Avalon is a special place.

I blocked you from the thread for reasons that others may help you understand, if they want to make the effort. I'm not going to invest my limited time doing that.

:focus:

[graciousb]

I do believe this CV is real, more serious than the usual seasonal ailments..but how can anyone not be somewhat skeptical in light of the known lies and manipulations we have all been and are subjected to ? From organizations and groups that have no history of benevolence? From a media that's been caught out time and again staging deep fakes and carrying water for the intelligence and defense agencies?

I know I'll get heat for expressing this but I feel very passionately about it, that we must take everything with a huge grain of salt.

How can any semi awake person not see what is at stake here? The last fragile shreds of our liberty and sovereignty as human beings beings are being shredded as a remedy to a questionable crisis. Not to mention the wholesale destruction of businesses, lives that were already teetering on the edge here in the States, with our huge numbers of people at subsistence levels, a paycheck away from being homeless, and a very tattered safety net?


I don't wish for unnecessary deaths and yes ill wash my f..ing hands and not cough on anyone.. but extra deaths including my own would be preferable to even the slightest chance of normalizing these draconian conditions in the name of ''safety.'' We are being pressured to fall in line, to sing and cheer at our own imprisonment, to romanticize it as a 'reset'' , etc, or to risk being shamed and demonized in the town square.

Did you hear drones are tracking people in England then publicizing the names to ''lockdown shame'' them ? ! Welcome to your new world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYU4j02fGk

[onawah]

I recommend this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97293-20-Basic-Tactics-Used-By-Narcissists-Sociopaths-And-Psychopaths-To-manipulate-And-Silence-A-Prey&p=1347391&viewfull=1#post1347391

[onawah]

The horror films got it wrong. This virus has turned us into caring neighbours
George Monbiot
3/31/20
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/virus-neighbours-covid-19

(Monbiot's article deserves copying here imho, so it won't be missed.)

"The horror films got it wrong. This virus has turned us into caring neighbours
Across the world, Covid-19 has triggered community action on a vast scale. It’s a powerful riposte to both government and private money

You can watch neoliberalism collapsing in real time. Governments whose mission was to shrink the state, to cut taxes and borrowing and dismantle public services, are discovering that the market forces they fetishised cannot defend us from this crisis. The theory has been tested, and almost everywhere abandoned. It may not be true that there were no atheists in the trenches, but there are no neoliberals in a pandemic.

The shift is even more interesting than it first appears. Power has migrated not just from private money to the state, but from both market and state to another place altogether: the commons. All over the world, communities have mobilised where governments have failed.

In India, young people have self-organised on a massive scale to provide aid packages for “daily wagers”: people without savings or stores, who rely entirely on cash flow that has now been cut off. In Wuhan, in China, as soon as public transport was suspended, volunteer drivers created a community fleet, transporting medical workers between their homes and hospitals.

In South Africa, communities in Johannesburg have made survival packs for people in informal settlements: hand sanitiser, toilet paper, bottled water and food. In Cape Town, a local group has GIS mapped all the district’s households, surveyed the occupants, and assembled local people with medical expertise, ready to step in if the hospitals are overwhelmed. Another community in the city has built washstands in the train station and is working to turn a pottery studio into a factory making sanitiser.
In the US, HospitalHero connects healthcare workers who don’t have time to meet their own needs with people who can offer meals and accommodation. A group called WePals, created by an eight-year-old, sets up virtual play dates for children. A new website, schoolclosures.org, finds teaching, meals and emergency childcare for overstretched parents. A network called Money During Corona texts news of job opportunities to people looking for work.

In Norway, a group of people who have recovered from Covid-19 provide services that would be dangerous for non-immune people to offer. In Belgrade volunteers organise virtual coffee mornings and crisis counselling. Students in Prague are babysitting the children of doctors and nurses. Estates in Dublin have invented balcony bingo: the caller sits in the square between the blocks of flats with a large speaker, while the players sit on their balconies, taking down the numbers.

In the UK, thousands of mutual aid groups have been picking up shopping and prescriptions, installing digital equipment for elderly people and setting up telephone friendship teams. A mothers’ running group in Bristol have restyled themselves “drug runners”, keeping fit by delivering medicines from chemists’ shops to people who can’t leave their homes. A virtual pub quiz organised on Facebook brought togethermore than 100,000 people.
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Rooftop aerobics, singing and letters: how communities are coping in coronavirus quarantine – video

Around the world, self-organised groups of doctors, technicians, engineers and hackers are crowdsourcing missing equipment and expertise. In Latvia, programmers organised a 48-hour hackathon to design the lightest face shield components that could be produced with a 3D printer. A number of UK groups are encouraging companies with protective equipment in their storerooms to give it to frontline health workers. In the Philippines, fashion designers have repurposed their workshops to produce protective suits. Sharing techniques through the website PatternReview, home sewers have been mass-producing masks and scrubs.

In just one week, a group of doctors, technicians and other experts organised themselves to design a crowdsourced ventilator, the OxVent, which can be produced from widely available parts for under £1,000. Another design, VentilatorPAL, can be manufactured for $370, according to the community of technicians that created it. The Coronavirus Tech Handbook is an open-source library pooling technologies and new organisational models for beating the pandemic. In the US, self-organised expert groups are filling some of the catastrophic gaps in public health provision, carrying out testing and tracking projects, creating directories of vulnerable people and speed-matching medical specialists with the hospitals that need them.The horror films got it wrong. Instead of turning us into flesh-eating zombies, the pandemic has turned millions of people into good neighbours.

In their book Free, Fair and Alive, David Bollier and Silke Helfrich define the commons as “a social form that enables people to enjoy freedom without repressing others, enact fairness without bureaucratic control … and assert sovereignty without nationalism”. The commons are neither capitalist nor communist, market nor state. They are an insurgency of social power, in which we come together as equals to confront our shared predicaments.

A thousand books and films and business fables assure us that the fairytale ending to which we should all aspire is to become a millionaire. Then we can isolate ourselves from society in a mansion with high walls, with private healthcare, private education and a private jet. The commons envisages the opposite outcome: finding meaning, purpose and satisfaction by working together to enhance the lives of all. In times of crisis, we rediscover our social nature.

You can tell a lot about a society from its quirks of language. We repeatedly misuse the word “social”. We talk about social distancing when we mean physical distancing. We talk about social security and the social safety net when we mean economic security and the economic safety net. While economic security comes (or should come) from government, social security arises from community. One of the extraordinary features of the response to Covid-19 is that, during this self-isolation, some people – especially elderly people – feel less isolated than they have done for years, as their neighbours ensure they are not alone.

We still need the state: to provide healthcare, education and an economic safety net, to distribute wealth between communities, to prevent any private interest from becoming too powerful, and to defend us from threats. It currently performs these functions poorly, by design. But if we rely on the state alone, we find ourselves sorted into silos of provisioning and highly vulnerable to cuts. Rich social lives are replaced with cold, transactional relations. Community, then, is not a substitute for the state, but an essential complement.

There is no guarantee that this resurgence of collective action will survive the pandemic. We could revert to the isolation and passivity that both capitalism and statism have encouraged. But I don’t think we will. I have the sense that something is taking root now, something we have been missing: the unexpectedly thrilling and transformative force of mutual aid."

George Monbiot is a Guardian columnist

I have a lifestyle that makes me more suited than most to cope with lockdown. So when like today I have a bad day, I think how tolerant we need to be of people who bend the rules to get by. And how we need to take a positive view of what is happening. In France, we don’t talk of lockdown, but of “confinement”. Normally speaking there are no obstetric connotations involved, but let’s just suppose there were: what are we bringing into the world? Right now George Monbiot is the man to read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/virus-neighbours-covid-19

[Icare]

Thank you for posting this.

The link is in French. Could someone translate it, maybe?





Mod note from Bill: The audio has now been fixed (it's in English!), and the re-timestamped post moved to here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110280-COVID-19-Contrarians&p=1347424&viewfull=1#post1347424

:thumbsup:

[lunaflare]

Yes, the virus has turned us into "caring neighbours". I think this is our innate way of being-- to care-take so the "whole" benefits--seeing ourselves in our neighbours, so to speak
That was a great compilation of global examples.

I also feel the love and support of the natural world.
Our home
Today I found myself saying (as I walked along the beach) to the Earth...
Thank you for having us
Although we are supporting each other, caring for each other, it is imperative to care for this Earth--our archetypal mother
I would have liked the article to include this too
This is critical

[Tangri]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..

:Party: welcome to many , same as you. You are lucky, you didn't receive

"But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility."

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1340197&viewfull=1#post1340197)
respond.

[shaberon]

We are being pressured to fall in line, to sing and cheer at our own imprisonment, to romanticize it as a 'reset'' , etc, or to risk being shamed and demonized in the town square.


Welcome to my world, where I have always been the Gadarene Swine or Scapegoat Azazel.

I would say that safety is the supreme personal concept, and certainly not something to presume that authorities provide the answers for. I can agree with punishing someone who actually has committed crimes, but, all of the "pre-emptive" stuff is ridiculous. In the past few years, our actual damages have come from a bath-salted local, a Mexican drunk driver, and an unknown thief that came shortly after an Al Qaeda figure was acting stupidly on the property; he might have been looking for the neighbor.

As far as the "caring neighbors" concept, that certainly won't happen here, since the neighbor is the U. S. military. Around the localities, I am not aware of anything "good" happening, except possibly a big prayer meeting which became the main conduit of viral transmission. Big difference from worldwide communities. This is neither a culture or a community, it is more like miscegenation crossed with mass production.

The first interlocutor I mentioned could be described as a product of successful capitalism, enough to be running free after an arrest record at thirty larger than that of sixty-year-old career criminals. In this case, we agree with the local low-level authorities (Deputies) who said we should have killed him.

The tidbit about Norwegian coronavirus survivors sounds much closer to what I have in mind. Go through it, and you no longer care, it's over, you can help wherever it's bad. If I have to sit around unemployed, I may as well be sick, because if that happened during an ordinary working situation, there would be no compensation and I would probably be fired without benefits. That seems what is likely to happen, probably to a whole heap of us, whenever the ban is lifted. I think we need more of a realistic "when you catch it" safety net, than this pretend thing of "we'll protect you from it".

[christian]

The horror films got it wrong. This virus has turned us into caring neighbours
George Monbiot
3/31/20
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/virus-neighbours-covid-19

The virus of fear also turned neighbors into prison guards.

But there's always hope.

[waves]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..

Here we go again like with Q. Someone tries to start a 'contrarian' thread to let each side leave each other alone and prevent each side from having to constantly deal with unwelcome interruption of their conversation flow, but only the Pro-Q thread is protected from invaders while the contrarian thread is instantly infiltrated by conversation polluters who can't leave us alone. I'm still irked by king Q-idiot Paul who fiercely guarded his kingdom from anti-Q posters, but kept righteously posting his condescension prolifically on the anti-Q thread himself.

So sorry to hear that Phoenix. Especially in this dire situation where fact backed substance and clear thinking has never been needed more, I thought you had every right to call out any closed mind ignoring substantial contrary facts exactly how you said it. We need more boldness here, not couched words which really is ultimately lying - not really being yourself and saying it how you really feel. Forcing pussyfooting encourages shallowness and disingenuousness.

But this time everything is on the line for everyone. In this literal emergency, I request the right for at least the Contrarian thread members be allowed to speak more freely than Avalon has so rigidly suppressed for so long, and I request the same kicking out of non-contrarians on this thread as being kicked out of the pro-narrative thread and a strict enforcement for both sides for a change.

There is no reason to have the relentless choppyness and pollution of a continued battle between those rejecting the msm statistics/narrative and those buying statistics face value in both threads. Right?

Please?

[Phoenix]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..

Here we go again like with Q. Someone tries to start a 'contrarian' thread to let each side leave each other alone and prevent each side from having to constantly deal with unwelcome interruption of their conversation flow, but only the Pro-Q thread is protected from invaders while the contrarian thread is instantly infiltrated by conversation polluters who can't leave us alone. I'm still irked by king Q-uidiot Paul who fiercely guarded his kingdom from anti-Q posters, but kept righteously posting his condescension prolifically on the anti-Q thread himself.

So sorry to hear that Phoenix. Especially in this dire situation where fact backed substance and clear thinking has never been needed more, I thought you had every right to call out any closed mind ignoring substantial contrary facts exactly how you said it. We need more boldness here, not couched words which really is ultimately lying - not really being yourself and saying it how you really feel. Forcing pussyfooting encourages shallowness and disingenuousness.

But this time everything is on the line for everyone. In this literal emergency, I request the right for at least the Contrarian thread members be allowed to speak more freely than Avalon has so rigidly suppressed for so long, and I request the same kicking out of non-contrarians on this thread as being kicked out of the pro-narrative thread and a strict enforcement for both sides for a change.

There is no reason to have the relentless choppyness and pollution of a continued battle between those rejecting the msm statistics/narrative and a thread for those buying statistics face value in both threads. Right?

Please?

Thanks for the support waves. I agree, soft language and avoiding confrontation is almost as bad as lying itself.

[Caliban]

"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

[Phoenix]

looks like i can only post here now. Bill banned me from the other thread because I disagree with him. sad. not much different than facebook or google deciding what the truth is..

:Party: welcome to many , same as you. You are lucky, you didn't receive

"But you're in total denial. And that's an abrogation of your professional, ethical responsibility."

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1340197&viewfull=1#post1340197)
respond.

:) thanks Tangri! I was told something similar too heh

[AutumnW]

So Waves, if I understand you correctly you would deny those who see the odious Jon Rappaport for the ignorant zealot that he is, the right to express that opinion here? He claims to believe the coronavirus is a hoax that big Pharma started or was heavily involved with, if I am not mistaken. So he will manage to draw some of those who are rightfully suspicious of big P and vaccine industry into his sphere. They have to understand he is leveraging those sensibilities to draw attention to himself.

According to Rappaport, Aids was a hoax. Zika virus was a hoax and now coronavirus. Only in his imagination. He has a twin preoccupation with the powers of the imagination and indeed seems to be fantasy prone. Typical narcissist going for as many clicks as possible.

[AutumnW]

"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

[Caliban]

"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

With all due respect why must we be continually chastised for expressing our thoughts? This is the Contrarian thread after all. Maybe it's a real threat and maybe it isn't. If you can't deal with questioning that, then I suggest the other thread would be the place for you. This is getting a little disturbing, I'm gonna say. Whom do you feel we are harming by stretching our little envelope of thought here?

[Luke Holiday]

So Waves, if I understand you correctly you would deny those who see the odious Jon Rappaport for the ignorant zealot that he is, the right to express that opinion here? He claims to believe the coronavirus is a hoax that big Pharma started or was heavily involved with, if I am not mistaken. So he will manage to draw some of those who are rightfully suspicious of big P and vaccine industry into his sphere. They have to understand he is leveraging those sensibilities to draw attention to himself.

According to Rappaport, Aids was a hoax. Zika virus was a hoax and now coronavirus. Only in his imagination. He has a twin preoccupation with the powers of the imagination and indeed seems to be fantasy prone. Typical narcissist going for as many clicks as possible.

Hello Autumn,


Just curious … what are you basing the moniker you have given JR - ignorant zealot on?


Also, do you think you have done as much or more research then JR on this subject to make such a brazen claim?

[AutumnW]

He ignores data that doesn't prefectly conform to his world view. Therefore he is literally ignorant. As far as Zealot goes, I probably used the wrong word. Zealots are those who will follow their ideology to their own destruction, where he is following his for clicks and attention.

Should have used the noun 'extremist' as in he is too extreme in his views. He takes a kernel of solid research, anchors himself on that research and then branches off. Wayyyyyy offffff. Balancing on those flimsy branches he pulls yarns out of his ass and spins a web of fantasy. That is a text book fantasist/fanatic. As in extremist, not to be taken seriously, a doofus, and possibly a goofball. Just sayin...:bowing:

[AutumnW]

"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

With all due respect why must we be continually chastised for expressing our thoughts? This is the Contrarian thread after all. Maybe it's a real threat and maybe it isn't. If you can't deal with questioning that, then I suggest the other thread would be the place for you. This is getting a little disturbing, I'm gonna say. Whom do you feel we are harming by stretching our little envelope of thought here?

I am expressing my thoughts too. You haven't been chastised. I asked an honest question and it would be great if you thought about it. Jon Rappaport is fair game as he is not a member or a poster here, as far as I know, so I feel free to say exactly how I feel about him.

[shaberon]

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

I can accept that "hospital overload" is quite real.

I do not understand why anyone is frightened. As long as they are, I suppose they continue to surrender anything to those who propose to protect them.

I do not understand why "night gatherings" are so bad, if I went somewhere at 5 and found somebody was sick, I would not be allowed to leave. I can understand "total lockdown" to prevent all human contact, but a "half lockdown" from a curfew does not make sense to me.

If we actually owned our property and grew our own food, very little of this would make any difference. It perhaps is an indicator of how nasty cities actually are. So far, our rural areas have no cases (30% of counties).

If it happens, you can be refused treatment for not having insurance, so I am not sure the government helps very much, unless it re-builds the entire health care system. That part is nothing new. If government is obliged to promote "general welfare and security", then it would not have allowed this system to start, and if they have a track record of mostly failure, no reason to expect them to "get it" now. Although a bunch of sickness and death within their ranks may, perhaps, help the powerful see life as us nobodies do.

Insurance, banks, and government produce nothing, why should they be in charge of everything? Perhaps this will simply erase the financial sector, since it has been realized that it cannot do a single thing about material supply lines and other tangible situations.

[onawah]

More non-virus causal factors in “epidemic cases”—hospitals
by Jon Rappoport
March 31, 2020

(I find Rappaport's perspective to be quite valid, a perspective that definitely needs to be considered, among others.
Here's his latest): https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/31/more-non-virus-causal-factors-in-epidemic-cases-hospitals/

"As my long-time readers know, since 1987 in my investigations of fake epidemics, I’ve deployed the strategy of finding actual causes of illness and death that have nothing to do with the latest and greatest hype about a “new virus” creating widespread harm.

In other words, I show there is no need to invoke a novel and unproven virus, in order to explain the so-called epidemic effects.

I have been doing that all along during this false COVID pandemic (full archive here).

In today’s episode of medical worshipers go crazy and virus fakery, let’s go to the hospitals to find yet more NON-VIRUS causes of illness and death in supposed “coronavirus patients.”

Three questions:

If hospitals are overwhelmed with patients, as night follows day it must be the coronavirus. Right?

WRONG.

If patients are on breathing ventilators, as night follows day their problem must be the coronavirus. Right?

WRONG.

If patients are being put on ibuprofen, as night follows day their problem must be the coronavirus. Right?

WRONG.

Before I explain what “wrong” means in each instance, an overview of hospital care in the US is instructive. The reference is Journal of the American Medical Association, July 26, 2000, Dr. Barbara Starfield, a revered public health expert at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. Starfield’s review was: “Is US Health Really the Best in the World?” She blows the whistle on her own elite colleagues and vast numbers of other medical providers. Among her findings:

Annual number of deaths caused by mistreatment and errors in US hospitals: 119,000.

This should give pause for thought. Instead of blithely assuming that so-called coronavirus patients who die in hospitals are dying from the virus, consider the effects of care IN the hospitals.

Now let’s get to the three questions I asked above. What about overwhelmed hospitals? Surely, this must mean coronavirus cases are the cause, right? What else could it be? Overwhelmed hospitals are a new phenomenon, paralleling the rise of COVID, right?

Here, from Time magazine, is a sample report from 2018, long BEFORE COVID supposedly emerged. “Hospitals overwhelmed by flu patients are treating them in tents”:

“The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.”

“’We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different from previous flu seasons’,” says Dr. Alfred Tallia, professor and chair of family medicine at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center in New Brunswick, New Jersey. ‘I’ve been in practice for 30 years, and it’s been a good 15 or 20 years since I’ve seen a flu-related illness scenario like we’ve had this year’.”

“Tallia says his hospital is ‘managing, but just barely,’ at keeping up with the increased number of sick patients in the last three weeks. The hospital’s urgent-care centers have also been inundated, and its outpatient clinics have no appointments available.”

“The story is similar in Alabama, which declared a state of emergency last week in response to the flu epidemic. Dr. Bernard Camins, associate professor of infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, says that UAB Hospital cancelled elective surgeries scheduled for Thursday and Friday of last week to make more beds available to flu patients.”

“’We had to treat patients in places where we normally wouldn’t, like in recovery rooms,’ says Camins. ‘The emergency room was very crowded, both with sick patients who needed to be admitted and patients who just needed to be seen and given [toxic] Tamiflu’.”

“In California, which has been particularly hard hit by this season’s flu, several hospitals have set up large ‘surge tents’ outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat flu patients. Even then, the LA Times reported this week, emergency departments had standing-room only, and some patients had to be treated in hallways.”

“The Lehigh Valley Health System in Allentown, Pennsylvania, set up a similar surge tent in its parking lot on Monday, in response to an increase in patients presenting with various viral illnesses, including norovirus, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and the flu. ‘We’ve put it into operation a couples times now over the last few days,’ said a hospital spokesperson. ‘I think Tuesday we saw upwards of about 40 people in the tent itself’.”

“Many hospitals are also encouraging visitors to stay away. Kaiser Permanente Los Angeles Medical Center announced last week that it was temporarily restricting visits from children 14 and under and anyone with flu symptoms. ‘This measure is to prevent unnecessary spread of influenza and to protect you, our patients, and our staff,’ the health system posted on Facebook.”

“Loyola University Health System in Chicago—which set a hospital flu-activity record of 190 confirmed cases between January 7 and 13—has also instituted similar visitor restrictions, although a spokesperson for the hospital says it’s a standard precaution for flu season. Loyola also requires all employees to receive a mandatory flu shot, a policy it started in 2009.”

“In Fenton, Missouri, SSM Health St. Clare Hospital has opened its emergency overflow wing, as well as all outpatient centers and surgical holding centers, to make more beds available to patients who need them. Nurses are being ‘pulled from all floors to care for them,’ says registered nurse Jennifer Braciszewski, and are being offered an increased hourly rate to work above and beyond their normal schedules. Many nurses have also become sick, however, so the staff is also short-handed…”

—All this, before 2019. Before the “epidemic.”

You can find other stories of such hospital problems. In Italy, for example, before the “epidemic,” the waiting lists for hospital appointments could stretch out for months—revealing the whole system was heavily stressed, already overburdened, and short-staffed before the latter part of 2019.

Second question: If patients are on breathing ventilators, as night follows day their problem must be the coronavirus. Right?

Not necessarily. For example, what about potential adverse effects of the ventilators themselves? From the US National Institutes of Health, here is a list of those effects. As you read them, keep in mind that many hospital patients entering the wards already have pneumonia (and, of course, breathing problems):

“One of the most serious and common risks of being on a ventilator is pneumonia. The breathing tube that’s put in your airway can allow bacteria to enter your lungs. As a result, you may develop ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP).”

“The breathing tube also makes it hard for you to cough. Coughing helps clear your airways of lung irritants that can cause infections.”

“VAP is a major concern for people using ventilators because they’re often already very sick. Pneumonia may make it harder to treat their other disease or condition [like PNEUMONIA].”

“…Using a ventilator also can put you at risk for other problems, such as:
* Pneumothorax (noo-mo-THOR-aks). This is a condition in which air leaks out of the lungs and into the space between the lungs and the chest wall. This can cause pain and shortness of breath, and it may cause one or both lungs to collapse.
* Lung damage. Pushing air into the lungs with too much pressure can harm the lungs.
* Oxygen toxicity. High levels of oxygen can damage the lungs.”
“These problems may occur because of the forced airflow or high levels of oxygen from the ventilator.”

“Using a ventilator also can put you at risk for blood clots and serious skin infections. These problems tend to occur in people who have certain diseases and/or who are confined to bed or a wheelchair and must remain in one position for long periods…”

Third question: can ibuprofen cause problems?

From drugs.com, here is a list of adverse effects from Advil:

“Advil can increase your risk of fatal heart attack or stroke, especially if you use it long term or take high doses, or if you have heart disease. Even people without heart disease or risk factors could have a stroke or heart attack while taking this medicine.”
“Do not use this medicine just before or after heart bypass surgery (coronary artery bypass graft, or CABG).”
“Advil may also cause stomach or intestinal bleeding, which can be fatal. These conditions can occur without warning while you are using ibuprofen, especially in older adults.”
“You should not use Advil if you are allergic to ibuprofen, or if you have ever had an asthma attack [breathing problems] or severe allergic reaction after taking aspirin or an NSAID.”
“Ask a doctor or pharmacist if it is safe for you to take this medicine if you have:
* heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, or if you smoke;
* a history of heart attack, stroke, or blood clot;
* a history of stomach ulcers or bleeding;
* asthma;
* liver or kidney disease;
* fluid retention; or
* a connective tissue disease such as Marfan syndrome, Sjogren’s syndrome, or lupus.”
“Taking Advil during the last 3 months of pregnancy may harm the unborn baby.Do not use this medicine without a doctor’s advice if you are pregnant.”
“It is not known whether ibuprofen passes into breast milk or if it could affect a nursing baby. Ask a doctor before using this medicine if you are breastfeeding.”

NOTE: Antiviral drugs, given to many people diagnosed with COVID, have serious toxic adverse effects.

Getting the picture? It isn’t always the reason a person COMES to hospital which causes the worst problem. It can be what happens IN the hospital, including death. Unrelated to any purported COVID virus. And yet, the increased illness or death would be written up as a “coronavirus case.” "


"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Rappaport

[Caliban]

"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

With all due respect why must we be continually chastised for expressing our thoughts? This is the Contrarian thread after all. Maybe it's a real threat and maybe it isn't. If you can't deal with questioning that, then I suggest the other thread would be the place for you. This is getting a little disturbing, I'm gonna say. Whom do you feel we are harming by stretching our little envelope of thought here?

I am expressing my thoughts too. You haven't been chastised. I asked an honest question and it would be great if you thought about it. Jon Rappaport is fair game as he is not a member or a poster here, as far as I know, so I feel free to say exactly how I feel about him.

It was just condescending. We're not children. Do I have to even say this? This is supposed to be a place for free thought. "Does it occur to anybody..." No, we haven't considered the possbility. We just automatically march the other direction.

As for Rappoport, I'm not going to defend him. How can I, to someone who considers him "odious"? He along with Icke and some others has often been cited here in the last few weeks because he is doing a monumental job of challenging the Medical Cartel, the media, both mainstream and alt, and the governments. He's been reporting on medical fraud, lies and deceptions for 35 years or so. Did you read the many pieces he's done since this CV started? He's not just saying "hoax", he's explaining how the machinery of that Cartel works, how it's worked on many other of these virus "outbreaks" in the past. Then again, I'm not here to defend him, right...

[AutumnW]

Shabaron,

Half lockdowns work as they slow the infection rate, so that hospitals don't become overloaded and organizations have time to react. I totally agree with you.

We will all likely get this virus at some point. I figure if everyone wore a mask in public for a good while, that might work as well as partial lockdowns. In that way, I don't blame people for being suspicious of 'govt.' Truth be told, I figure this may be a military bioweapon from Fort Detrick targeting China and the U.S. is experiencing blowback. This is pure 'maybe,' in my mind. It could also be a natural event. Nothing should be ruled out. At the same time, stating anything with complete certainty as to cause is premature though you can find plenty of people who are just adamant that they are in the know, have superior intellect and "have done the research" so they just know for sure.

I have an immune disorder, so if I am exposed to this I might sail through it better than most or have a cytokine storm reaction that kills me. This is the weirdest damn thing to ponder. Sometime in the next couple of years, its going to happen and I have to have all of my ducks in a row and my loved ones covered if I go. Maybe that's why the "it's no problem. It's really a hoax" idea bugs me so much.

I have a strong feeling that at some point in the next 2 or 3 months, things are going to get so dire economically, it will make sense for everyone to don a mask, cross their fingers and go back to work. People like me and the very old will resume life as somewhat normal and whatever will be will be.

[shaberon]

Sweden and Belarus (https://www.rt.com/news/484515-sweden-covid-no-lockdown/) are doing next to nothing in terms of lockdown.

"The approach has been broadly well received by the public, who view it as a more sensible course of action than the draconian steps taken in other countries."

In some hotspots (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484548-coronavirus--people-die-outcome/) such as UK and New York with their restrictions:

"... in the week ending on the 8th of March 2019, 10,898 people died in total in the UK. This year, in the week ending the 6th of March 2020, the equivalent figure was almost identical: 10,895.

An article this morning claims NYC is facing a catastrophe because they have had 450 Coronavirus deaths since January & someone is dying every 17 minutes.

So you know—regularly, NYC has 419 deaths every single day & loses a person every 9 minutes."


I am not sure that a great deal of "extra" deaths come from this. A nasty disease that for many people might require treatment, and is extra fatal to those with "complications", i. e. mainly died from some other cause when they were weakened by Coronavirus, is perhaps accurate. "Hoax" is not a good term, since there is something real, and one can only watch if Sweden and Belarus deteriorate beyond the conditions of other countries.

As for Ibuprofen, I would never use it again. Some years back I took it due to an injury. It did what it was supposed to do, but then nearly killed me. I started developing an anaphylaxis which included dermatographism that lasted about a year. I figured that the liver mainly uses copper to process toxins and ate cashews as one of the best sources, which seemed to help get rid of it. I have never used another pharmaceutical product since, and probably never will.

[AutumnW]

Caliban, Rappaport overdoes it. Not all medicine is part of a cartel and not every outbreak is somehow the product or entwined with said cartel. I am anti-vaccine, as they are currently administered to children, btw.

Rappaport is like so many in the alternative community. They start out great. (I followed Rappaport) 15 years ago and he was amazing. Then they run out of fresh material and in their pursuit of clicks start to engage in a lot of highly questionable speculation. They have to to retain the spotlight so they indulge their own paranoia and smear it all over Youtube. He is not altogether wrong, and that is the problem. He is just mostly wrong and many who resonate with some of his core ideas aren't catching where he is indulging the emotions rather than appealing to reason.
If I sounded condescending, I do apologize, heartily.

[waves]

So Waves, if I understand you correctly you would deny those who see the odious Jon Rappaport for the ignorant zealot that he is, the right to express that opinion here? He claims to believe the coronavirus is a hoax that big Pharma started or was heavily involved with, if I am not mistaken. So he will manage to draw some of those who are rightfully suspicious of big P and vaccine industry into his sphere. They have to understand he is leveraging those sensibilities to draw attention to himself.

According to Rappaport, Aids was a hoax. Zika virus was a hoax and now coronavirus. Only in his imagination. He has a twin preoccupation with the powers of the imagination and indeed seems to be fantasy prone. Typical narcissist going for as many clicks as possible.

Hello Autumn,


Just curious … what are you basing the moniker you have given JR - ignorant zealot on?


Also, do you think you have done as much or more research then JR on this subject to make such a brazen claim?

Autumn has been on my ignore list for years for the endless shallow armchair pot shots on subjects she could not hold an in depth conversation about in the least - like the entire AIDS story obviously. I think it's time to not even engage with her or any other people that want to impose themselves on a thread trying to keep to the thread's intention. It is exactly an example of what I was talking about - this is a thread for contrarians that she has no interest in respecting the premise of. I assume I have the right to use what Bill felt was appropriate when necessary: "Autumn, your blindness is frightening". You're not welcome here. Bill, would you please ban her from here now conversely?

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JR has been one of the most grounded and inclusive big picture observers so far to me. He is excellent at citing what he finds questionable, exactly the reasons he is making his hypothesis and never comes of preachy. I respect him for that.

One big drowned out issue that has occurred to me... where are the accompanying counts of the daily 1000's of deaths NOT from cv within each statistic?



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