Daniel Schmachtenberger - The War on Sensemaking

[DeDukshyn]

 

Hi All, I've been meaning to get this started for a while.

A while back, member kfm27917 posted a short interview with this guy, Daniel Schmachtenberger. I was impressed with both the obviously extreme high level of intelligence, and his ability to apply effability to the problems humanity is currently facing which are very difficult to understand as a whole, but he breaks them down simply and succinctly, and has a very holistic view to proposed problems solving.

Part of the problems he talks about is our compromised ability to make sense of the world around us, and how our information ecology has become both too large to comprehend fully, and how it also has become entirely strategized and weaponized. Almost all the information available to us at this time is not "freely given info", but rather crafted as part of a strategy to manipulate information or other's beliefs.

This is ubiquitous. We see it in politicians, we see it in mainstream media, it is rampant in social media, we see it in industry. But do you ever think that it starts with us personally? We do the exact same things - it's just that on a personal level the potential effect and consequences are great reduced, but we still all do it exactly like they do - there's no difference except the scale of potential effects. We are a collective, and we can't just continuously blame "them" and hope that something changes.

This is just one in the web of inter-tangled issues of a great many that humanity is facing, and Daniel touches on a whole host of them, and their inter-connectivity.

I'll post four (edit: I guess six) videos here to start with. They are long, and it takes paying close attention to fully understand what he is saying. I'd say more than one view is required to get it all.

We are on the cusp of some great changes and we need to pull together so we can guide these changes, because if we do not, our politicians and industries will do it for us (they are ready, are we?). But first, before one can solve a problem, one needs to understand that first principle problems, as it is at this place that change will have the greatest effect.


To start, here's a video titled "Making Sense of Sensemaking" with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jamie Wheal and Jordan Hall. The topic of this one is how to possibly navigate the current information ecology and basically, make sense of the world around us. (Its a bit slow, and if you find yourself allergic to long discussion videos, just check out the last two videos, at least)

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Next up are three videos are titled "The War on Sensmaking" (pts 1,2 and 3), and they go deeper into the strategization and weaponization of our information ecology.

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The initial video that kfm27917 posted is called "phase shifting humanity" - it is a quick 30 minute dive into where we are and where we need to go. Thanks K for that initial post that got me into this guy. :)

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And here is one on the principle of a phenomenon called "Emergence", which is how we can imagine the change from where we are, to where we need to go, actually happening, within a short period of time.

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Daniel also has many other interviews and lectures on youtube, if you find one that is as pertinent as the above ones seem, feel free to post in this thread.

I know these are long, and to really get the most from them you have to pay careful attention, but there are worth the effort. :) Enjoy!!

[araucaria]

This got started a while back actually, but well worth another look

'Humanity's Phase Shift', Daniel Schmachtenberger (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109031-Humanity-s-Phase-Shift-Daniel-Schmachtenberger)

[DeDukshyn]

This got started a while back actually, but well worth another look

'Humanity's Phase Shift', Daniel Schmachtenberger (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109031-Humanity-s-Phase-Shift-Daniel-Schmachtenberger)

Thanks, I hadn't realized that that thread had continued on to encompass other of Daniel's videos, I see posted by Bill there ...

Didn't mean to create redundancy. Sorry about that.

[Mac]

'Humanity's Phase Shift', Daniel Schmachtenberger " I'm halfway through and got to say how refreshing, like others above I'm going to investigate him further n pass it on. I think the perspective he takes is one we should all adopt, and then feel that collective mild toxic anxiety dissolve like a bad dream. If we don't change the game calmly and slowly and use the intelligence we have to live with each other and the plane,t we're gonna be toast that's a given. Hopefully more and more people like Mr Schmachtenberger are flushed up and pushed to the fore because of the current crazy times, hasn't happened in the past but ever the optimist who knows. The warning for me is children today are given nothing healthy to believe in we've tarnished everything, so for futures sake something has to change imo and he mentions education. I mean when you listen to people like him it's not rocket science is it, we just need to shed a lot to realise it. There's that saying you don't notice the changes so much when you're in it, not sure I agree with that.

[Mac]

He loses me here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrozCypcUx4 Not a fan of this type of thinking, didn't get too far into it before he lost me. Hopefully he goes on to discuss the brain tissue found in the Heart and Stomach and explains the relationship between these. Tinkering may be a detrimental point of no return in regards to the full human potential/experience. Hopefully it's his old thinking and the shrooms woke him up to what awareness the human being is capable of naturally. Doubt it though as I think shrooms expand your awareness but it isn't the state religions were/are meant to cultivate in us,ask any spiritual master. Might be a useful step for some but not the be all and end all. He's an interesting Man but I think he's going off track here imo. ymmv

[DeDukshyn]

He loses me here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrozCypcUx4 Not a fan of this type of thinking, didn't get too far into it before he lost me. Hopefully he goes on to discuss the brain tissue found in the Heart and Stomach and explains the relationship between these. Tinkering may be a detrimental point of no return in regards to the full human potential/experience. Hopefully it's his old thinking and the shrooms woke him up to what awareness the human being is capable of naturally. Doubt it though as I think shrooms expand your awareness but it isn't the state religions were/are meant to cultivate in us,ask any spiritual master. Might be a useful step for some but not the be all and end all. He's an interesting Man but I think he's going off track here imo. ymmv

Not really sure what you are saying ... And I haven't watched this particular video (and wasn't promoting it, nor do I see a messenger as a particular message, personally), and it sounds like you didn't watch it all, either. I'll try to check this one out and give feedback, as I work in an industry that may have insight into this specific stuff.

[Mac]

Sorry for late reply was browsing logged out last couple of nights, missed the reply notification. I'd heard enough to put me off, but will listen again if you ever get round to watching it and fancy exploring it especially if it's something you have insights on. If I've missed something, or you make me see it in another way I'm open. Just went to listen again though and within minutes I have alarms going off. Not a fan of tinkering with healthy brains to create whatever he has in mind. Impaired brains and disabilities are another matter. I take your point on the" messenger" thing but it wasn't intended that way. After saying I'd investigate further I took a tangent. Understand your confusion but I like to drift and not a good idea in some threads, noted. 8) Cheers

Edit. On further thinking in regards to what he's getting at, It's obvious where his thinking is just listening to the first few minutes of the pod. Wilhelm Reich had a better understanding and tried to do similar only a lot less invasive and with more understanding of the subject. It's pretty obvious to me his expertise lies elsewhere and he'd be messing with something he doesn't understand. He can do what he wants with his own body heh. If he markets it people would buy it, but I doubt very much it would work in the way he thinks. It would just add to the confusion. Plus I'm pretty sure he's confused on what's what on this particular topic, he gives it away early in. Personally I think it's a dodgy route to take and a waste of time.

[DeDukshyn]

Sorry for late reply was browsing logged out last couple of nights, missed the reply notification. I'd heard enough to put me off, but will listen again if you ever get round to watching it and fancy exploring it especially if it's something you have insights on. If I've missed something, or you make me see it in another way I'm open. Just went to listen again though and within minutes I have alarms going off. Not a fan of tinkering with healthy brains to create whatever he has in mind. Impaired brains and disabilities are another matter. I take your point on the" messenger" thing but it wasn't intended that way. After saying I'd investigate further I took a tangent. Understand your confusion but I like to drift and not a good idea in some threads, noted. 8) Cheers

Edit. On further thinking in regards to what he's getting at, It's obvious where his thinking is just listening to the first few minutes of the pod. Wilhelm Reich had a better understanding and tried to do similar only a lot less invasive and with more understanding of the subject. It's pretty obvious to me his expertise lies elsewhere and he'd be messing with something he doesn't understand. He can do what he wants with his own body heh. If he markets it people would buy it, but I doubt very much it would work in the way he thinks. It would just add to the confusion. Plus I'm pretty sure he's confused on what's what on this particular topic, he gives it away early in. Personally I think it's a dodgy route to take and a waste of time.

A question ...
Do you judge the videos I posted by their content, context and information contained within, based on the judgement of another video you watched that had a component you disagreed with? Be honest with yourself ... seriously. And if so, do you believe that that this method is the best for sense-making you can achieve? An honest inquiry ...

[Mac]

No, like a lot of what he says, like I said interesting Man. I'm not going to deny though, what I highlighted is a bugbear of mine no matter who is saying it. I'm going to watch more of his pods/vids. Appreciate the heads up on him.

[edina]

I'm copying over a post from a recent thread, Why So Many Good People Comply With Evil And Become Complicit (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123347-Why-So-Many-Good-People-Comply-With-Evil-And-Become-Complicit), started by Exomatrix, who brought out interesting information and perspectives of Daniel Schmachtenberger.

To help keep that thread on topic, I've decided to bring more Daniel Schmachtenberger related information into this thread because it seems to be a better fit.




It's surprising to me that Daniel hasn't connected with Joe Rogan yet, or Jordan Peterson. It makes too much sense to pass up. I wonder why that hasn't happened?

Daniel may not yet have the sort of intelligence agency connections that supposedly Rogan and Peterson have, so they are not in each others networks or run in the same circles.

However, if Daniel Schmachtenberger's information starts getting some traction and larger numbers of people start listening to him, someone will want to hijack his work, and at that point, the bigger players (or media assets?) will reach out to him. And the narrative will become how he's a part of the deep state, too. That pattern has played out so consistently that its now become predictable.

By the way, I started listening to that LONG video with Daniel Schmachtenberger and Mark Wooding. I don't usually do that, it's difficult for me to carve out that kind of time in my schedule. But I went to his Civilization Emerging website and he's asking intelligent, helpful and useful questions. I decided to give it a listen. I'm about half way through the video and taking notes, and downloading the work of people he mentions and resources listed on his site.

I agree with Mark Wooding, Daniel Schmachtenberger is a DEEP thinker. It looks like he's been considering this current world dynamic his whole life, and he's insightful and articulate. Another Renaissance Human in my opinion.

As I've been looking more closely at Daniel Schmachtenberger I discovered that he has done an interview with Joe Rogan, from 3 weeks ago... with Tristan Harris, who Daniel has often worked with in the past.

Joe Rogan Experience #1736 - Tristan Harris & Daniel Schmachtenberger (https://youtu.be/sLNEojqZlUE?si=bBvRvi20APxN_QF-)

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Tristan Harris is a former Google design ethicist, co-founder and president of the Center for Humane Technology, and co-host of the Center for Humane Technology’s "Your Undivided Attention" podcast with Aza Raskin. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue.
This is long form, about 3 hours. I'll come in later and fill in chapters and notes, when I have a bit more time.
John, this video may go off topic from this thread. Let me know if you want to keep it here.
Maybe it needs a thread of it's own?

Joe Rogan Experience #1736 - Tristan Harris & Daniel Schmachtenberger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE)

Note Added: This interview originally happened 20211118. You can tell it's older because Daniel's hair is shorter. For some reason it was reposted on PowerfulJRE, 3 weeks ago.

When I update with notes it will be in this thread, Daniel Schmachtenberger - The War on Sensemaking (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110326-Daniel-Schmachtenberger-The-War-on-Sensemaking)

A quick look at the comments below this video, people express a frustration that they wanted to hear more from Daniel and less from Tristan.

Anyway, Joe Rogan had at least a little bit of exposure to Daniel Schmachtenberger back in 2021.

The YouTube chapters created for this video are only for the first hour:


https://www.jrepodcast.com/guest/daniel-schmachtenberger/
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00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=0s) Intro
01:12 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=72s) How to ethically influence people
02:44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=164s) The arms race
03:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=234s) Social media before the iPhone
05:12 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=312s) The tinfoil hat theory
06:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=413s) Social media censorship
08:01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=481s) The border crises
09:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=549s) Is it going to go viral
11:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=665s) Algorithms
12:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=734s) The Fundamental Problem
14:37 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=877s) How Did You Meet
17:23 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=1043s) Government Regulation
21:18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=1278s) Censorship
25:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=1527s) Regulation
28:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=1699s) Text
33:48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=2028s) Drones CRISPER
38:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=2311s) Stochastic Terrorism
41:49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=2509s) Social Credit Scores
43:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=2599s) Social Media Reform
47:49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=2869s) Democracy and Social Media
51:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNEojqZlUE&t=3079s) Runaway Feedback Loops

[edina]

The first time I heard the term, "sensemaking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensemaking)" was in reference to the title of this book:

Sensemaking: A Structure for an Intelligence Revolution, by David T. Moore, 2011 (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA542524.pdf)

It may complement this conversation.

I came across this book through Q-Anon research and tucked it aside for further future study. I suppose that future is now. Especially, given the growing chaos of our current information landscape. And also considering what clif high has mentioned about Hyper-novelty, Uncertainty, Complexity and Authority.

clif isn't the only person talking about this. Daniel Schmachtenberger is as well. I'm sure others are, too.

And it seems the Intelligence Community felt a need to address this issue as far back as at least 2011, when this book was published.

From the Forward of Sensemaking: A Structure for an Intelligence Revolution, by David T. Moore, 2011 (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA542524.pdf) :

For complexities, especially, the challenge is to employ sensemaking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensemaking)—the term is from Michigan psychologist, Karl Weick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_E._Weick). Exactly how to accomplish sensemaking is a task that still mostly lies before us, which makes this book such an important contribution. Sensemaking departs, as Moore notes, from the postwar tradition of Sherman Kent, in which analysis meant, in the dictionary’s language, “the process of separating something into its constituent elements.” Sensemaking also blurs America’s bright white line between intelligence and policy, for, ideally, the two would try to make sense together, sometimes disaggregating events, sometimes aggregating multiple perspectives, always entertaining new hypotheses, all against the recognition that dramatic failure (or success) might occur at any moment.

Sensemaking is a tall order, but there is no better sherpa for the unfamiliar terrain of this new paradigm than David Moore. He almost uniquely embodies both practice and academic scholarship. Indeed, one of the tantalizing aspects of his academic work is that, as a careful intelligence professional (and one from NSA to boot), he is very careful about classification. That means the visible trails of his practice in his scholarship are sparse, and his cases are mostly familiar ones, albeit ones often spun in new directions.