Covid19: Global reports, news and updates

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends,

This post is simply to start this new thread. Please see my detailed explanation here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1348228&viewfull=1#post1348228).

As the title suggests, this thread is for Covid19 global reports, news and updates. There are three other new threads to discuss other specific angles and aspects of the current situation.


Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110506-Covid19-Cui-Bono-Is-there-an-agenda)
(this includes media hype, proven media falsehoods, etc etc)



Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the mainstream science about the cause of the sickness) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110507-Covid19-Don-t-trust-the-statistics--or-the-mainstream-science-about-the-cause-of-the-sickness-)
(this includes speculation about the role of 5G and other factors)



Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.)
(this is really the "it's just the flu" thread, also for those who don't believe viruses even exist or can be "caught".)

:sun:

[Bill Ryan]

This is interesting. Either the virus is changing, or people are.

(Meaning, 'younger' people may be over-confident about being 'immune', and aren't taking nearly enough care not to become infected. And many 'younger' people have poor diets, poor lifestyles, and compromised immune systems, too.)

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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-03-20-intl/index.html




North Carolina says 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49

Dr. Mandy K. Cohen, secretary of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS), announced Friday that 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49. So far, 29% are age 50-64 and 20% are age 65 and up, Cohen said.

[Bill Ryan]

At long last: :) (At least this is one step forwards.)

WHO supports countries in their decisions around masks, official says

From https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-03-20-intl/index.html



While the World Health Organization has not changed its position (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/face-masks-health-experts-guidance-trnd/index.html)on whether the general public should wear face masks during the coronavirus pandemic, it will support individual countries in making their own national recommendations around mask wearing.

"We can certainly see circumstances in which the use of masks — both homemade and cloth masks — at the community level may help in an overall comprehensive response to this disease, and we will support governments in making those decisions based on the situation they find themselves in in terms of transmission," Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO executive director of health emergencies programme, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Friday.Ryan said that wearing a mask in public doesn't necessarily protect the person wearing it, but rather helps to limit that person's likelihood of infecting others if that person is sick.
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If anyone reading this wants to decide for themselves whether to wear a mask or not (and I'm totally convinced we all should be, even if they're improvised), just watch this short 7 minute video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus

[Molope]

I'm no sure if this is the place but today I saw this http://www.ibecbarcelona.eu/researchers-at-ibec-help-identifying-a-drug-in-clinical-phase-that-blocks-the-effects-of-covid-19/

I think it's good to shine some light and give some hope with this type of news in this dark times even tho we have to take this articles with caution as this treatments may not be successfull or may take long.

[bogeyman]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/04/03/ecuador-coronavirus-bodies-rivers-intl-pkg-vpx.cnn

Watch the video make up your own mind.

[DaveToo]

At long last: :) (At least this is one step forwards.)

WHO supports countries in their decisions around masks, official says

... If anyone reading this wants to decide for themselves whether to wear a mask or not (and I'm totally convinced we all should be, even if they're improvised), just watch this short 7 minute video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus

Bill I don't want to cross contaminate your post (sorry for the sick analogy).
You will see how easy it is to have a thread derailed, unintentionally.

As Dr. Andrew Kaufman pointed out, face masks will not filter out viruses:

"Given the size of these particles (500 nm), that they are so tiny, there's really no way that you can prevent them from getting out or getting in, so if you look at the pores of the masks people are wearing, they are way bigger than the size of these particles. So they're essentially going to go right through."

We use strainers and colanders to filter foods (pasta, rice, vegetables etc.) from water or other liquids.
Sometimes we use them to filter larger foods from smaller foods.

Now think of a strainer or a mask (with its pores) trying to filter out a 500 nm particle.

[Bill Ryan]

As Dr. Andrew Kaufman pointed out, face masks will not filter out viruses.Right. But there's a very good argument (did you see the video?) that they filter out aerosol droplets containing viruses, at least partially. In other words, they're almost certainly better than nothing.

That was Chris Martenson's main point, and I think I agree, based on what I feel I understand. The video contains a couple of excellent animations, which I'm not able to post separately... do watch it.

[Patient]

As Dr. Andrew Kaufman pointed out, face masks will not filter out viruses.Right. But there's a very good argument (did you see the video?) that they filter out aerosol droplets containing viruses, at least partially. In other words, they're almost certainly better than nothing.

That was Chris Martenson's main point, and I think I agree, based on what I feel I understand. The video contains a couple of excellent animations, which I'm not able to post separately... do watch it.

The wearing of masks helps to build fear as well.

My apologies if this is not in line with the new thread (and I am certainly not being sarcastic in any way). I understand why you have separated the threads in the way you have, but speaking for myself, I sometimes post info that although might seem to be off topic but I post it because I would like the people who are reading the thread get that particular message or thought. Maybe others have done the same.

And in case you have not recognized this - the threads and posts are a reflection of the situation that we are finding ourselves in - it is all mixed up and sending our thoughts in different directions.

It feels like TPTB have done a really good job of messing with us this time. I am hoping that someone somewhere is starting a counter movement because it is starting to feel like we really need one.

[Arcturian108]

As Dr. Andrew Kaufman pointed out, face masks will not filter out viruses.Right. But there's a very good argument (did you see the video?) that they filter out aerosol droplets containing viruses, at least partially. In other words, they're almost certainly better than nothing.

That was Chris Martenson's main point, and I think I agree, based on what I feel I understand. The video contains a couple of excellent animations, which I'm not able to post separately... do watch it.

The wearing of masks helps to build fear as well.

My apologies if this is not in line with the new thread (and I am certainly not being sarcastic in any way). I understand why you have separated the threads in the way you have, but speaking for myself, I sometimes post info that although might seem to be off topic but I post it because I would like the people who are reading the thread get that particular message or thought. Maybe others have done the same.

And in case you have not recognized this - the threads and posts are a reflection of the situation that we are finding ourselves in - it is all mixed up and sending our thoughts in different directions.

It feels like TPTB have done a really good job of messing with us this time. I am hoping that someone somewhere is starting a counter movement because it is starting to feel like we really need one.

I am starting a counter-movement that involves strengthening our immune systems with powerful Seraphic energies. See the members only thread I started today about a teleconference we are holding this coming Monday, April 6th in which a Seraph will share powerful healing energies with all who join.

Angel Healing Teleconference - April 6th (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110509-Angel-Healing-Teleconference-April-6th)

[Sue (Ayt)]

"THE HEAD OF THE WORLD Health Organization said that almost everyone who has died of the coronavirus in Europe has been over the age of 60.

Dr. Hans Kluge, the regional director for WHO Europe, said in a virtual press briefing that 95% of COVID-19 fatalities on the continent have been people older than 60. Additionally, more than 50% of all deaths in Europe were people aged 80 or older.

However, younger people are not immune. Ten to 15% of people under 50 with the coronavirus have developed moderate or severe infection.

"The very notion that COVID-19 only affects older people is factually wrong," Kluge stressed. "Severe cases of the disease have been seen in people in their teens or 20s with many requiring intensive care and some unfortunately passing away."

Age is also not the only risk factor. Eight in 10 deaths have occurred in people with at least one underlying medical condition, particularly cardiovascular diseases, hypertension and diabetes."
WHO: Nearly All Coronavirus Deaths in Europe Are People Aged 60 and Older (https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-04-02/who-nearly-all-coronavirus-deaths-in-europe-are-people-aged-60-and-older)

[Elainie]

The good news about hydroxychloroquine continues to pour in. Last week, Dr. William Grace, an oncologist affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, said they’ve not had any deaths in the hospital of close to a 100 patients. In an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Dr. Grace said: “Thanks to hydroxychloroquine, we have not had a death in our hospital.’
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/30/dr-william-grace-thanks-hydroxychloroquine-not-death-hospital/

[Delight]

This is important. The treatment should be open to question and making change. I don't know who Could be the lead in coordinating. Actually in my preference, we would have Tulsi Gabbard and other smart people. If anyone knows who needs this pass it on.....

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I plan to use some DIY with a mask and use some ideas such as filter paper soaking in salt water. the sataurated papers attracts the droplets. Once saturated the viral coating shrivels.I'd like professional masks that work to stop viral spread. A cloth mask is better than no mask. I plan to stay home. No matter what we think, this is an Introvert'sGolden Age.

How To Make A Bandana Face Mask, No Sewing Required (https://diyjoy.com/how-to-make-a-bandana-face-mask-no-sewing-required/)

[sunwings]

Next week, we will see Britain and USA recording record deaths.

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[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson urged to reconsider lockdown strategy by virus adviser
The Independent Peter Stubley,The Independent

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-boris-johnson-urged-reconsider-230814319.html


Boris Johnson’s key adviser on the coronavirus pandemic has urged the prime minister to find a way of ending the nationwide lockdown, according to a report in The Times.

Graham Medley, an expert in the spread of infectious diseases, suggested the government had “painted itself into a corner” by imposing widespread restrictions on movement that he claims may cause more damage than the epidemic itself.

He suggested the potential harm caused by the restrictions included economic damage. "I don’t mean to the economy generally, I mean to the incomes of people who rely on a continuous stream of money and their children, particularly the school closure aspect," he told The Times.

"There will also be actual harms in terms of mental health, in terms of domestic violence and child abuse, and in terms of food poverty.”

He argued that the UK may still have to reconsider the herd immunity strategy to “allow people to catch the virus in the least deadly way possible”, the newspaper claimed.

This would involve accepting the heightened risk to the elderly rather than harming younger generations with rising unemployment, domestic violence and mental illness, it suggests.

Professor Medley, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, also reportedly claimed that the epidemic would inevitably peak again once the lockdown was loosened and people returned to work.

He has previously argued against rushing into banning football games or closing schools, saying that it “feels good but isn’t necessarily evidence-based”.

“My problem with many countries’ strategies is that they haven’t thought beyond the next month,” he told The Atlantic magazine in early March.

“The UK is different. We’re at the beginning of a long process, and we’re working out the best way to get there with the least public-health impact.”

It followed reports that the prime minister was relying on the strategy of creating natural immunity among the population by allowing the disease to spread, rather than impose lockdowns of the kind seen in China and Italy.

Amid widespread criticism of the government’s approach, health secretary Matt Hancock insisted that herd immunity was “a scientific concept, not a goal or strategy”.

Professor Medley himself described herd immunity as a side-effect of the main goal of delaying and reducing the peak of infections, often referred to as “flattening the curve”. A week later, the prime minister ordered the closure of pubs and restaurants. The national lockdown then followed on 24 March.

Mr Hancock predicted on Friday that the UK’s outbreak could peak over Easter, with more than 1,000 deaths in a day. He urged the public to remain indoors during the warm weather over the weekend, warning the public: “People will die”.

The latest figures released on Friday afternoon revealed the death toll had risen by nearly 600 to 3,605. It was also confirmed that two NHS nurses, Areema Nasreen and Aimee O’Rourke, had died after contracting coronavirus.

The UK’s chief nursing officer, Ruth May, on Friday urged Britons to comply with the lockdown, commenting: “This weekend is going to be very warm and it’s going to be very tempting to go out and enjoy those rays but I ask you to remember Aimee and Areema, please stay at home for them”.


Think Boris HAIR brained!!!!
Chris

[greybeard]

Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

Data as of Friday 3rd April 2020

UK Cumulative Totals
38,168 cases
3,605 deaths

UK Daily Totals
4,450 cases
684 deaths

Hardly the epidemic forecast for UK

The link is live and gives daily and cumulative figures for UK
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

[iamofopenmind]

Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

Data as of Friday 3rd April 2020

UK Cumulative Totals
38,168 cases
3,605 deaths

UK Daily Totals
4,450 cases
684 deaths

Hardly the epidemic forecast for UK

The link is live and gives daily and cumulative figures for UK
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

Those numbers are for people tested of course i.e people who are hospitalized. Of those that are hospitalized it looks like 10% or so die. Of course you could multiply the figures for those infected in the general population by any figure you care to pluck out of the air say ten fold, twenty fold or even more who knows. So lets wait until we get the antibody tests then say it's not an epidemic.

[Bill Ryan]

Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

Data as of Friday 3rd April 2020

UK Cumulative Totals
38,168 cases
3,605 deaths

UK Daily Totals
4,450 cases
684 deaths

Hardly the epidemic forecast for UK

The link is live and gives daily and cumulative figures for UK
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

[Goba]

OK, to be taken with a grain of salt as there is a clear anti CPC agenda (which I btw. share) but it could still be true and in that case who knows what the real death toll is. There is a similar older vid from "china uncensored" reporting similar developments.
Only the first 10 minutes or so cover this:

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here is the older vid:

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[vizon]

Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

Data as of Friday 3rd April 2020

UK Cumulative Totals
38,168 cases
3,605 deaths

UK Daily Totals
4,450 cases
684 deaths

Hardly the epidemic forecast for UK

The link is live and gives daily and cumulative figures for UK
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif
These graphs are heavily distorted due to the lack of / quality of testing. Specifically in the United States. We will have much better data moving through the next 3-4 weeks.

[Bill Ryan]

These graphs are heavily distorted due to the lack of / quality of testing. Specifically in the United States. We will have much better data moving through the next 3-4 weeks.But the shape is the same. This would be covered in the morning of Day 1 of Epidemiology 101.

If R0 >1, then the growth is always exponential.

[greybeard]

Man, 34, takes his own life ‘after being unable to cope with coronavirus self-isolation’

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-covid-19-suicide-isolation-123941486.html


A man who suffered from bipolar disorder has taken his own life after being unable to cope with self-isolation during the COVID-19 pandemic, his family have said.

Daniel Furniss, 34, died last week after struggling with the lockdown at his home in Waterlooville, Hampshire.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has ordered the restriction of all but essential contact in order to cease the spread of the deadly virus.

In the days before Mr Furniss’ death, he posted on social media: “There is not enough guidance for people with mental health issues.”

Mr Furniss’ sister, Chelsea, 28, is hoping his death will raise awareness of the issues facing those with mental health problems during self-isolation.

She said: “Dan had a long history of mental health issues and one of the things he struggled with was being on his own.

“He lived on his own but would go out every day. Dan had diabetes and was classed as a high-risk person so after lockdown he was unable to go out which we think pushed him over the edge.

“We were concerned about him being in isolation and stayed in touch but were not able to see him. We tried our best and let him know we were there for him.

“More could be done to help people who are struggling while self-isolating. Hopefully what’s happened with Dan can raise awareness of these issues.”
Mr Furniss was diagnosed with bipolar disorder as a teenager and had been unable to work because of his mental health condition.

[greybeard]

We need positive thinking to get us through this crisis.

Nigel’s latest Coronavirus update from Saturday 4th April


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RFsP_N9y4

[vizon]

These graphs are heavily distorted due to the lack of / quality of testing. Specifically in the United States. We will have much better data moving through the next 3-4 weeks.But the shape is the same. This would be covered in the morning of Day 1 of Epidemiology 101.

If R0 >1, then the growth is always exponential.
Of course. But, where we are on the curve would is not the same as depicted in this picture.

[Tomkoyote]

43043

"Trump signing a bill for over 6 trillion dollars in government giveaways with billions marked for tracking the public, to make sure everyone stays 6 feet away from each, so the public can lead miserable, fully dominated and soulless existences. Notice the socialdistancing in the picture. Everyone remarkably immune to the virus they say is the reason why everyone else must suffer, as they themselves become wealthier in their positions.
A weak society attracts evil, as rotten meat attracts maggots. As the public (ie cattle) have lost their ability to think, rationalize and resist....the maggot infestation sets in. If you've ever waited in line to vote for a professional liar and then went home to watch TV and drink wine, thinking you did your job to maintain a free society, you're getting exactly what you asked for. "

[sunwings]

In Northern Italy, 60 volunteers who thought they had never suffered COVID-19 gave blood. 40 tested positive.

When Avis volunteers summoned them for blood donation, they were confident that they would find a high number of Covid positives19. Confirmation has come from the results of tests and swabs: out of 60 citizens of Castiglione D'Adda, one of the municipalities in the former red area of ​​Lodi, 40 tested positive without knowing it. All asymptomatic, escaped from official statistics: they came into contact with the disease, they did not develop it, but they have....(you have to pay to see more)

https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481

Along with the Imperial College data, it is clear there are millions of asymptomatic cases. Why isn´t MSM not using this angle? I can only see two ways out of this, herd immunity or vaccines. Neither seems very appealing.

[waves]

In Northern Italy, 60 volunteers who thought they had never suffered COVID-19 gave blood. 40 tested positive.

When Avis volunteers summoned them for blood donation, they were confident that they would find a high number of Covid positives19. Confirmation has come from the results of tests and swabs: out of 60 citizens of Castiglione D'Adda, one of the municipalities in the former red area of ​​Lodi, 40 tested positive without knowing it. All asymptomatic, escaped from official statistics: they came into contact with the disease, they did not develop it, but they have....(you have to pay to see more)

https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481

Along with the Imperial College data, it is clear there are millions of asymptomatic cases. Why isn´t MSM not using this angle? I can only see two ways out of this, herd immunity or vaccines. Neither seems very appealing.

Sunwings, have you completely missed what this thread was separated for and retitled to mean? Or are you totally ignoring the massive amounts of verification on this thread that a believable test does not exist. This thread is for people who are not wasting time arguing what these foundationally impossible to be accurate 'reports' mean.

Bill, please move Sunwings post and future so called 'reports' of how many more 'tested positive' to the new thread you created for them.

Sorry so many can't respect the thread topic.
Thank you.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvTBKNr3/avalon-signature.jpg






From Bill: Understood! But it was myself who moved the post to this thread. That's because it was a an interesting and potentially significant news report suggesting how many unknown asymptomatic cases there may be.

That's probably the case, and it's widely and strongly suspected by epidemiologists. Most suspect that the real numbers of infectious people may be up to 10x higher than is reported in any country or area, however those estimates were made and however the tests were done.

Unless one suspects the virus doesn't exist at all, then we have to agree that infectious people do exist. In order to manage the situation, or decide whether it needs managing, we do have to somehow estimate the numbers if it's at all possible.

Otherwise, the health services are fighting an enemy they can't see, can't measure, and don't know the location of. HOW that fight is conducted is a different discussion: it may be through hydroxychloroquine, Vitamin C, or any other alternative protocol.

Again, we have to handle this somehow, if we start from the basis that the virus exists and people are really sick. We do need this kind of information, even if it's a best guess or a rough indicator.

[Dick]

Bill, this is in the newspaper in The Netherlands, is it realy as bad as they’re reporting here? I have run it trough google translate, the article is in dutch.

This is the link, for the pictures.

https://www.gelderlander.nl/buitenland/wanhoop-in-ecuador-coronadoden-liggen-op-straat~aa90b273/




Despair in Ecuador: corona deaths are on the street
An unprecedented disaster is taking place in Ecuador. The flow of corona victims is so great that the bodies of the dead are kept at home or left on the street. Sometimes it takes days for them to be picked up. Desperate Ecuadorians share gruesome images on social media.

Tonny van der Mee Apr 4 2020
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Bodies piled in containers, for the hospital or just on the street. Sometimes there is a coffin among the rubbish on the sidewalk, or a car with a coffin drives through the streets as a roof box.

Residents of Guayaquil, with 2.3 million inhabitants the largest city in Ecuador, are in desperation. Not only do they lose loved ones to the coronavirus, but they cannot then bury or cremate them.

Hospitals are so busy that they send patients away. Many people die at home without being tested for Covid-19. But morgues are overcrowded and funeral directors have too little capacity.

Due to strict quarantine measures, including a curfew, the dead cannot be salvaged. Sometimes the collection takes so long that families leave or burn the bodies on the street. The fear of spreading the virus is great.

In black plastic
Uber driver Daniel Larrea has been at home wrapped in black plastic since his death on Monday. Larrea was slightly overweight but never seriously ill. Until he had a high fever for a week and had breathing problems. Doctors advised him to stay at home. When things got worse - he turned blue and was choking - his family called an ambulance, but it was
Unavailable.


After his death, a new nightmare began for the next of kin. Nobody came to pick up their body. He is still in the family's small house in a poor neighborhood of Guayaquil. "We wrapped it in black plastic," said his wife Karina. “It's in the living room here. We are afraid that we are all infected. ""

On social media, surviving relatives share macabre photos of deceased loved ones wrapped in plastic and pleas to retrieve the bodies. Images of bodies and coffins on the street appeared on television.

Horrible stench
"The stench is terrible," said 61-year-old funeral directors Merwin Teran in Guayaquil. He saw 50 deaths in one morgue, and 149 bodies were waiting in a cemetery for a final resting place.

According to Terin, many funeral homes are closed. Employees take to the streets without protection to collect bodies. Officially, they are only allowed to do that after a doctor has determined the cause of death. But the doctors are too busy treating patients.

 A victim's body is in the garden until it is collected.
A victim's body is in the garden until it is collected. © Getty Images
Doctors complain about a shortage of tests, hospital beds and medical equipment. A growing number of doctors and nurses are also falling ill. "The situation is similar to that in Italy," said pulmonologist Mireya Rodas at Guayaquil Hospital.

Since the first case of infection in late February, a 71-year-old woman who had been in Spain, Ecuador has had the most infections in South America after Brazil. Officially, the country has 145 deaths and 3,368 infections. The actual number of victims may be five times higher, experts estimate.


The Guayas region, with the metropolitan city of Guayaquil, is most affected with nearly 70 percent of all victims. President Lenin Moreno expects 2500 to 3500 deaths in the provinces in the coming months. He says there will be more hospital beds, respirators and health workers, and a new cemetery is being constructed.

The Ministry of Health says that new technology will soon allow more tests to be carried out, around 1,400 a day. "We are asking forgiveness from those who had to wait days for their loved ones to be picked up," said Jorge Wated, head of the task force.

Hospitals now often send patients away. They die at home without treatment or diagnosis. Uber driver Daniel Larrea had all the symptoms of the coronavirus, but has never been tested. But Ecuadorians also die from other diseases, because they cannot be treated.

 
© Getty Images
Like Carmen Suarez (71), who, according to the family, had kidney problems. When her legs swelled and turned gray, the family got zero on hospital complaints. There were no beds. After her death, it took three days for her body to be collected at home.

Finally, the family called a funeral director who brought a coffin and embalmed Carmen's body, laid out on a patio. "It is a disaster now happening in Guayaquil," said her son-in-law Byron Moreira, 36. "I do not wish this to my greatest enemy."

It is a disaster that is now happening in Guayaquil. I do not wish this to my greatest enemy
Byron Moreira
Now officers and military personnel are deployed to collect and bury bodies. According to the government of Ecuador, they now collect 150 a day from people's homes. A few days ago there were only 30 a day.

Meanwhile, President Moreno is trying to avoid more unrest. The government is investigating thousands of social media profiles. They would spread "fake news" to discredit Moreno.

Corpse burns
These include photos of alleged graves for corona deaths in Guayaquil and mortal burns on the streets. According to the government, these are photos of a funeral in Mexico and not bodies were burned, but car tires.

The government says former president and rival Rafael Correa, who is in exile in Belgium, is running a hate campaign against Moreno.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, this is in the newspaper in The Netherlands, is it realy as bad as they’re reporting here? I have run it trough google translate, the article is in dutch.

This is the link, for the pictures.

https://www.gelderlander.nl/buitenland/wanhoop-in-ecuador-coronadoden-liggen-op-straat~aa90b273/

Despair in Ecuador: corona deaths are on the street
An unprecedented disaster is taking place in Ecuador. The flow of corona victims is so great that the bodies of the dead are kept at home or left on the street. Sometimes it takes days for them to be picked up. Desperate Ecuadorians share gruesome images on social media.Yes, this is for real, though the social media reports make it look worse than it actually is. But it's bad, for sure.

Ecuador in general is in good shape, and it's only in Guayaquil (a large, crowded port city) that the services are overwhelmed. The government here has openly admitted (honestly and refreshingly!) that they're very worried.

Borders are closed (and they did this before most other countries), vehicles can only be on the roads one day a week, with none at all at weekends. No buses (which is how many local people travel). Supermarkets require mask and gloves to be worn for entry, but there are no shortages of anything at all. There's a national curfew from 2pm—5am (15 hours a day).

Similar to the situation in every other country, the problem here is how long this can be maintained before the indigenous people mobilize protests like the ones here last October that brought the country to a halt and cost $3 billion.

So far, everyone's very compliant — but this can only last so long. That's a global problem. And here, many people earn just $100 a week, with no savings, no bank accounts, no 'helicopter' bail-out money from the government. No money means no food.

There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.


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Update: (published in The Guardian 25 mins ago)

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/04/coronavirus-lives-news-china-prepares-to-mourn-martyrs-as-us-urges-everyone-to-wear-face-masks?page=with:block-5e88f7ab8f080bdb9f534525#block-5e88f7ab8f080bdb9f534525

Ecuador has begun storing the bodies of those who have died from coronavirus in giant refrigerated containers, after hundreds of deaths in the city of Guayaquil, the epicentre of the country’s outbreaks, have filled up morgues and hospitals.

The government has installed three containers, the largest about 12 meters (40 ft) long, at public hospitals to preserve bodies until graves were prepared, according to Guayaquil’s mayor, Cynthia Viteri.

Ecuador’s death toll is currently at 318, one of the highest tolls in Latin America. President Lenin Moreno warned this week that the real figure was higher, as authorities were collecting more than 100 bodies a day, many from relatives’ homes, as a strict quarantine prevented them from being buried.

[ExomatrixTV]

USA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
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[Sarah Rainsong]

USA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
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I'm confused, I thought this happened back in January? This story from NPR is from February

Harvard Professor's Arrest Raises Questions About Scientific Openness
(https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/806128410/harvard-professors-arrest-raises-questions-about-scientific-openness)

[Bill Ryan]

USA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
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I'm confused, I thought this happened back in January? This story from NPR is from February

Harvard Professor's Arrest Raises Questions About Scientific Openness
(https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/806128410/harvard-professors-arrest-raises-questions-about-scientific-openness)~~~

Yes, you're right. Satori posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110506-Covid19-Cui-Bono-Is-there-an-agenda&p=1348523&viewfull=1#post1348523):


Lieber was arrested in mid-January 2020. This is older news, but it may be important. The press release of Lieber’s arrest is from Jan. 2020 also. Nothing in the video proves the so-called virus originated in the USA. But it raises suspicions about who is involved, but with what?

[Sarah Rainsong]

Update from my neck of the woods (Georgia):

Atlanta hospitals are at capacity now. Cases are still coming in. But testing is getting stalled.

Governor Kemp's shelter in place order opened up the beaches. :ROFL: :facepalm: The mayors had them shut down, but the executive order over-rode all the local ordinances, so that meant that the beaches opened back up. But it's not party-time. The DNR is not allowing chairs or umbrellas or some other stuff and is making sure that proper distancing occurs.

Several of the local sheriff's offices have been quick to reassure people by posting on their Facebook pages that they will NOT be stopping people to check to see if they are complying with the shelter in place restrictions. Oconee County is probably the most widely followed sheriff's page, and this is from theirs (emphasis mine):

You will not be randomly stopped by OCSO personnel.

The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution is still in full effect. OCSO personnel must have at least reasonable articulable suspicion of a violation of the order to conduct an investigative stop. Probable cause of a violation must be present in order to make a charge. Anyone accused of a violation is presumed innocent unless convicted in court.

The burden of proof is on the government. Citizens don't have to prove anything.

The only normalcy we all have right now is that we are still America, Let's not give that up.

Several others have said basically the same thing, just not quite so eloquently.

Every day, there are more medical workers asking for medical masks and other handmade PPE like caps and even gowns. And every time they post, they are immediately swamped with replies of people volunteering, telling them what groups to reach out to, and even offering to donate money for supplies.

Tipping for workers has been really great. Those that are able to have been very generous. For grocery workers (at Kroger specifically), it's people like this who are seeing them through, because I don't care what you read in the news, the corporations do. not. care. about their employees and have not been doing squat to actually protect them. For the self-employed like lawn maintenance, work load is down severely, but tips are helping to make up some difference, even though it doesn't completely alleviate it.

There are lots of free items being posted for pickup or for donation. Even stuff like diapers and food--I saw one post for a gallon of milk! People asking for help are getting it. I truly love seeing people helping each other like that.

So I know the news is bad, but there are a lot of good people out there helping each other. :heart:

[Tomkoyote]

USA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
Ben Laden ?

[Goba]

I just watched "Tagesschau" the German daily dose of TV offcialdom and a virus expert from the Charite in Berlin one of the formost research hospitals said, and I paraphrase: we will have to losen up these measures eventually and then the disease will spread thru the citizenry and the death rate wont be much worse than the NORMAL FLU. (He did suggest to get the elderly to some save location first)
I was a bit surprised by this open admission to say the least.

[DaveToo]

Next week, we will see Britain and USA recording record deaths.

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I've been charting the Covid-19 deaths for quite a number of countries, daily.
Italy's deaths haven't just peaked, they have been in decline for almost two weeks!
Is the MSM broadcasting this?

[DaveToo]

Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.

[DaveToo]

There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.

Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?

[DaveToo]

USA just discovered the man who manufactured and sold the #coronavirus to #China. Dr #CharlesLieber, head of the chemistry and biology department at #HarvardUniversity, USA. He was just arrested today according to American department sources.
Ben Laden ?

Do you have a source for the story?
You mean the virus that was sold to China and leaked from a lab into pigs, in the wind?

[shaberon]

Well I guess I am going to cross-post and exit the other thread.

I am mainly curious to track my area v. Sweden, about the same population.

A week before lockdown, we had about a hundred cases. By the time it started about a week ago, we had 1,500, compared to Sweden's 3,500; Sweden had about a hundred at the beginning of March, and now reports 6,000 to our 2,400. So there is about a two week headstart for them in terms of outbreak. They passed the same "ramp" of 1,500 to 2,400 from around March 18-24, which is about a week. So in this early stage, it appears to take a week to get 900 or a 1,000 cases, regardless of following the Swedish model or American.

This is not a total lock, we just have many businesses and gatherings stopped and can only go out during the day in limited, distant numbers. I cannot quite figure out the law: we would be asked to "leave the streets" after 5, but some mayors put a 9 p. m. curfew; maybe that means they get serious about arrests.

Dr. Lieber's arrest (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related) was on one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Like most judges, he did not declare a conflict of interest while taking a government research grant as well as money from Wuhan University. Nothing to do with a virus.

Harvard also just happens to be the main place that J & J is working on their "new vaccine".

[greybeard]

Recruit volunteer army to trace coronavirus contacts now, urge top scientists
The Guardian James Tapper,The Guardian
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/recruit-volunteer-army-trace-coronavirus-142544966.html

Ministers must recruit an army of “contact tracing” volunteers to warn people who may have been infected by a Covid-19 sufferer, say public health experts.

More than 50 leading scientists say health secretary Matt Hancock’s plans to introduce 100,000 tests a day by the end of April will only solve part of the problem of establishing how far the virus has spread.

The scientists have come together to form the UK Covid-19 Group of Experts, and say contact tracing – identifying then alerting people who have been within infection range of a person confirmed to have the virus – will be a vital addition to testing when the lockdown begins to ease.

Professor Allyson Pollock, a consultant in public health and director of the Newcastle University Centre for Excellence in Regulatory Science, said: “The government needs to recognise that this isn’t just one big epidemic. It’s lots of outbreaks at different stages that all need to be tackled locally through local teams, and local action plans in each area so measures can be lifted over time.”
Health Secretary Matt Hancock behind a podium in Downing street
Health secretary Matt Hancock, who has tested positive for coronavirus, explains his ‘five pillars’ at a video-link media briefing on Thursday. Photograph: PA

Public Health England was contact tracing cases until 12 March, at which point 32 people had died after contracting coronavirus. Schools stayed open for another eight days and it was 11 days before Boris Johnson announced the lockdown, on 23 March.

In the face of growing criticism over the lack of testing for frontline health professionals and those with mild symptoms, Hancock announced a “five-pillar” plan last Thursday. He pledged to increase lab testing dramatically, introduce new antibody tests for people who may have had the virus, and conduct “surveillance testing” – checking samples of the population to model the extent of the virus’s spread.

“We’ve lost nearly two months in getting on top of this epidemic,” Pollock said. “And that’s what the scandal is really.” She said there would be a second wave of infections, and planning needed to start now.

“Clearly we don’t have the capacity to do contact tracing, but we can just call for volunteers, train them up to do it and combine that with mobile phone apps as in Singapore and South Korea and China.”

Contact tracing was used in Wuhan, where 1,800 teams of five people went house to house, and Ireland last week said it would recruit 1,400 contact tracers. On 27 March the World Health Organisation director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, reiterated the need for “early detection and isolation of confirmed cases [and the] identification, follow-up and quarantine of contacts”.

Some UK public health professionals, however, believe it is too late for contact tracing because the virus has spread too far. And the example set by Singapore appears increasingly questionable: the country is to close most workplaces and all schools this week following the prime minister’s admission that “despite our good contact tracing” the authorities have been unable to ascertain the origin of nearly half its new cases.

One senior director of public health, responsible for local health teams including contact tracing, dismissed the experts group as “armchair commentators”. “Contact tracing would be a waste of time right now,” said the director, who asked not to be named. “We should have done better on testing, but that’s being resolved. Contact tracing would tell you nothing because it’s so widespread. We have to focus on increasing testing, and most virologists I’ve spoken to would agree.

“I suspect there will come a time for contract tracing again, but not now. It’s when you start getting outbreaks in care homes and prisons and hospitals, or possibly when we’re through the first or second peak and the numbers are bumping along the bottom.”

Yet the calls for contact tracing to resume appear to be gathering steam. Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth has repeatedly called for testing and contact tracing.At the beginnng of last week, Pollock and three others published a paper in the British Medical Journal questioning why the government was not following WHO advice. Then last Wednesday, 24 public health experts, led by David McCoy, professor of global public health at Barts Medical School, signed an open letter urging the government “to expand community testing and individual case detection, contact tracing and appropriate isolation as a core disease control measure”.

“Testing and quarantine are not enough on their own,” McCoy said, “especially if we want to avoid some of the serious harms that would be caused by prolonged lockdown. It is not clear why the government is resisting the evidence from elsewhere, as well as the views of the majority of public health opinion.”

The group has since expanded to include more than 50 public health experts, Pollock said.

AnneliesWilder-Smith, professor of emerging infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “To anyone who tells me that contact tracing is too expensive or not do-able, I just say, rubbish. We are now basically quarantining 68 million people. That is so much more expensive. But at the moment, we cannot do contract tracing.”
A woman in singapore looks at a smartphone with the contact-tracing app on it.
The Singapore government introduced a smartphone app to trace people who had come into contact with a Covid-19 sufferer. Photograph: Catherine Lai/AFP

She said with the epidemic “out of hand”, the lockdown needs time to interrupt the virus’s transmission.

“Then we can go back to the basics of dealing with this outbreak. You test, test, test, test. You find a case, you isolate the case; you find their contacts and you isolate their contacts.”

The Department for Health and Social Care did not respond to requests for comment, but some academics believe smartphone apps might provide automatic contact tracing.

NHSX, a division of the NHS responsible for digital innovation, is working on an app that would monitor other phones’ Bluetooth signals, keeping a record of those most at risk – possibly anyone who stayed within two metres for 15 minutes, the FT reported. If a user tested positive, they could upload a notification, which would warn people they needed to self-isolate.

Yet the tracking technology would raise privacy concerns, and the system would not work efficiently unless tens of millions of people downloaded the app.

“Mobile technology may be a useful adjunct, but contact tracing and the behaviour change we subsequently want to engender needs an active human element,” McCoy said.


Chris says Well you have been warned about tracking.

[greybeard]

Major London park to be closed after 3,000 'sunbathers' ignore lockdown rules
Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-lockdown-end-needs-happen-212057376.html

A London council has been forced to close one of the city’s largest parks after 3,000 “sunbathers” ignored the strict coronavirus lockdown measures.

Lambeth Council tweeted on Saturday that Brockwell Park in Herne Hill, south London would be shut from Sunday onwards.

Speaking on Sunday morning, health secretary Matt Hancock told Sophy Ridge on Sky News that people should not flout the coronavirus lockdown rules despite the warm weather.

“Sunbathing is against the rules that have been set out for important public health reasons,” he said, adding that it was “unbelievable frankly to see some people are not following that advice”.

“I say this to the very small minority of people who are choosing to flout the guidance you are putting other’s lives at risk and you are putting yourself in harm’s way.”

He added that the “vast majority of the public” were following guidance to stay at home unless they are going to buy essentials such as food or medicine, seeking medical care, going to work, or exercising.

Lambeth Council claimed around 3,000 visitors descended on the park on Saturday, many of whom were “sunbathing or in large groups”.
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The council announced the news on Twitter, describing the revellers' behaviour as "unacceptable."

“Despite clear advice, over 3000 people spent today in Brockwell Park, many of them sunbathing or in large groups,” a Lambeth council spokesperson tweeted.

"This is unacceptable. Unfortunately, the actions of a minority now means that, following police advice, Brockwell Park will be closed tomorrow. #StayHome."

Images posted on Twitter on Saturday showed crowds of people in London Fields and Battersea Park in the capital, with some seen sunbathing and others on hire bikes.

In the North East, surfers were pictured on the beach at Tynemouth.

Speaking at the daily Downing Street press conference, Cabinet secretary Michael Gove urged people to consider the current pressure on the NHS, and to ask themselves: “How am I helping in this shared national effort?”

He added: “I know that lockdown is challenging, I know it’s very difficult, particularly for families with children.

“But people must at every stage respect these guidelines because that is the only way of making sure we restrict the spread of the disease.

[Sophocles]

Here's a piece written in The Guardian by the Spanish leader:


Europe's future is at stake in this war against coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/europes-future-is-at-stake-in-this-war-against-coronavirus)

Pedro Sánchez
April 5th

Our citizens are dying and our hospitals overwhelmed. Either we respond with unwavering solidarity or our union fails, writes the Spanish prime minister


Europe is enduring its worst crisis since the second world war. Our citizens are dying, or fighting for their lives in hospitals that are overwhelmed by a pandemic which represents the greatest threat to public health since the 1918 flu pandemic.

The European Union (https://www.theguardian.com/world/eu) is facing a different war from those we have successfully averted over the past 70 years: a war against an invisible enemy that is putting the future of the European project to the test.

The circumstances are exceptional and call for unwavering positions: either we rise to this challenge or we will fail as a union. We have reached a critical juncture at which even the most fervently pro-European countries and governments, as is Spain’s case, need real proof of commitment. We need unwavering solidarity.

Solidarity between Europeans is a key principle of the EU treaties. And it is shown at times like this. Without solidarity there can be no cohesion, without cohesion there will be disaffection and the credibility of the European project will be severely damaged.

We welcome a number of significant measures (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/eu-plans-to-spend-100bn-on-saving-jobs-amid-coronavirus-crisis)that have been announced over the past few weeks, including the European Central Bank’s new temporary emergency purchase programme (https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200319~11f421e25e.en.html) and the European commission’s SURE plan (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_20_582) for those who have lost their jobs. But these measures are not enough on their own. We must go further.

Europe (https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news)must build a wartime economy and promote European resistance, reconstruction and recovery. It must start doing so as soon as possible with measures to support the public debt that many states, including Spain, are taking on. And it must continue to do so when this health emergency is over, to rebuild the continent’s economies by mobilising significant resources through a plan we are calling the new Marshall plan and which will require the backing of all of the EU’s common institutions.

Europe was born out of the ashes of destruction and conflict. It learned the lessons of history and understood something very simple: if we don’t all win, in the end, we all lose.

We can turn this crisis into an opportunity to rebuild a much stronger European Union. But to do so, we need to implement ambitious measures. If we continue to think small, we will fail.

The United States responded to the recession of 2008 with a stimulus package, while Europe responded with austerity. We all know the outcome. Today, when we are on the brink of a global economic crisis of an even greater magnitude than that of 2008, the US has implemented the greatest mobilisation of public resources in its history.

Is Europe willing to be left behind?

It is time to break with old, national dogmas. We have entered a new era and we need new responses. Let us hold on to our positive values and reinvent the rest.

In the coming months, the EU member states will inevitably take on greater volumes of debt to deal with the consequences of what is not just a health crisis, but an economic and social crisis. That is why the response cannot be the same as that envisaged for asymmetric economic shocks, such as a financial or banking crisis in a single state or group of states. If the virus does not respect borders, then nor should financing mechanisms.

Provided that it is universal and not subject to conditions, the European Stability Mechanism (https://www.esm.europa.eu/blog/time-solidarity-europe-concerted-european-financial-response-corona-crisis) may be useful in the initial stages to inject liquidity into EU economies through a line of credit. But this is not going to be sufficient in the medium term.

The challenge we face is extraordinary and unprecedented. It calls for a single, united, radical and ambitious response to preserve our economic and social system and protect our citizens.

The Spanish have always protected and defended the European project. It is time for reciprocity. With us, with Italy and with each and every one of the 27 countries of the union.

It is time to act with solidarity in creating a new debt mutualisation mechanism, acting as a single bloc for the purchase of essential medical supplies, establishing coordinated cybersecurity strategies, and preparing a major emergency plan to ensure that the continent’s recovery is rapid and robust.

This solidarity has to ensure that there are no gaps between north and south, that we leave no one behind.

These are very challenging times which require bold decisions. Millions of Europeans believe in the European Union. We must not abandon them. We must give them reasons to keep believing. And we must act now or never, because, right at this moment, Europe itself is at stake.



Pedro Sánchez (https://www.theguardian.com/world/pedro-s-nchez) is the prime minister of Spain


Full article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/europes-future-is-at-stake-in-this-war-against-coronavirus)

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Daily COVID-19 deaths in Spain, France and Italy continue to fall
Sky News Philip Whiteside, international news reporter,Sky News

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-number-daily-covid-19-deaths-spain-continues-095400343.html

The number of coronavirus deaths in Spain has fallen for the third day in a row - a glimmer of hope in the hard-hit country where more than 12,400 have died.

The fall is part of a pattern seen in other European countries which imposed a stringent lockdown several weeks ago, with France and Italy also seeing falls in the number of daily deaths.

France on Saturday saw its daily death toll fall to 441 from 588 on Friday.

Italy, on the same day, registered 681 deaths having reported 766 deaths the day before.

Sky's Alex Rossi, in Madrid, said there was "muted optimism" as a result of the Spanish figures.

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez told the nation on Saturday: "We are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel."

The number who have died in Spain now has reached 12,418. The number reported as having died in Italy on Saturday was 15,362 with 7,560 in France.

Despite the lockdown appearing to reduce the number of daily deaths, authorities have made it clear they have no immediate intention of lifting the restrictions.

Mr Sanchez said on Saturday he would ask parliament to extend his country's lockdown by 15 days until 26 April.

He added a team of experts was also studying how restrictions could be gradual loosened to reactive the country's economy.

Meanwhile, Italy's virus-ravaged Lombardy region is now requiring residents to wear a protective mask when they go outside.

It follows similar orders in recent days in two other northern regions, hard-hit Veneto and Alto Adige, which require protective masks for residents if they go shopping in stores and markets.

All of Italy is under a nationwide lockdown and Lombardy has passed particularly tight restrictions on movement and business operations.

It comes amid a growing appreciation that the official death toll may be masking the true number dying.

Interviews by Reuters with families, doctors and nurses in Lombardy indicate that scores are dying at home as symptoms go unchecked and medical professionals are unable to visit the sick before they pass away.

In Bergamo province, where Sky News witnessed horrific scenes in the main hospital and where the mayor told Stuart Ramsay he was convinced the death toll was higher than that being reported, a recent study of death records found the true number could be more than double the official tally of 2,060, which only tracks hospital fatalities.

In France, the centralised state has allowed authorities to take extraordinary measures in an attempt to save lives.

Europe's biggest food market, in Rungis, south of Paris, is being transformed into a morgue.

The country's high-speed train network has been whooshing critically ill COVID-19 patients and the breathing machines to which they are attached to locations where they can be looked after better.

TGV trains are just one part of France's nationwide mobilisation of public transport, helicopters, jets and even a warship, to relieve congested hospitals.

Nearly 7,000 patients are in intensive care in France, pushing hospitals to their limit and beyond.

In Germany, which has been reporting a lower fatality rate than other European countries, the official toll rose by 184 to 1,342.

But, health authorities reported that the number of new infections rose by 5,936 in the past 24 hours to 91,714 on Sunday, the third straight drop in the daily rate of new cases.

[Bill Ryan]

Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1348398&viewfull=1#post1348398) that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.

[Bill Ryan]

There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.

Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?No, not an over-reaction. An early reaction.

Look at the shape of the exponential graph in my post immediately above. The numbers are super-low in India right now — of course. But if it grabs hold and spreads fast, there's a huge disaster there waiting to happen. So the Indian government is trying to slow that down, if at all possible, simply to give them time to cope.

I've traveled in India several times. Back in 1981, when I was first there, 10,000 homeless, desperately poor people slept every night in Calcutta main railway station (now renamed Kolkata), and trucks would come every morning to take away the dead bodies.

It's better now, but there are still huge slums, widespread poverty, and extremely crowded cities. It's not nearly as wealthy and organized as China is. My personal opinion is that the government has an almost impossible challenge to contain the thing there. I'm very worried about it, and I'm certain the government is, too.

[Bill Ryan]

More here about Ecuador which (unfortunately!) is getting a bad rap in all news, mainstream and otherwise.

Note the honesty in this report. I don't think any other governments have admitted: "The pandemic has created a great deal of confusion and fear among all of the country’s institutions."

https://cuencahighlife.com/more-supplies-and-health-workers-headed-to-guayaquil-new-case-numbers-drop-city-closes-feria-libre-firemen-punished-for-party

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Vice President Otto Sonnenholzner announced Saturday new government assistance to help Guayaquil weather the coronavirus outbreak. “As of Monday, we are sending 1,500 hospital beds to the city as well as large deliveries of personal protective gear, hospital equipment and medicine,” he said. In addition, he said “a large number” of public health doctors and nurses are being reassigned to Guayaquil and Guayas Province.

https://cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/vp.png
Vice President Otto Sonnenholzner

“Guayaquil needs our help and the government will provide it to the best of our ability,” the vice president said. Of Ecuador’s 3,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases, 2,402 were in Guayas Province as of Saturday afternoon.

Sonnenholnzer offered an apology to the people of Guayaquil for the government’s late response, saying the pandemic has created a great deal of confusion and fear among all of the country’s institution. “In particular, I apologize to those who have lost family members and friends to the virus as well as other causes in recent days and I regret the pain and humiliation many have experienced by the difficulty in transporting the bodies of the dead to funeral homes and cemeteries,” he said. “That situation has greatly improved since early in the week and we are working hard to avoid a repeat of it.”

Sonnenholnzer also regretted the “deterioration” of Ecuador’s reputation due to international news reports of the Guayaquil epidemic. Such media at the Guardian, CNN and the Washington Post have posted articles about bodies on the sidewalks of Guayaquil due to the lack of funeral home services. “The images are very troubling for all of us and I can’t imagine the pain they bring to the families of the diseased,” he said.

Repeating criticism of the news media lodged Friday by Foreign Minister José Valencia, Sonnenholnzer said the number of uncollected bodies in Guayaquil has been greatly exaggerated. “From a dozen cases, the newspapers and TV channels turned it into hundreds, which is dishonest and unfair,” he said, adding that now is not the time to fight a public relations war. “Sensationalism always carries the day with the media and there is little we can do about it.”

Guayas Province Governor Pedro Pablo Duart offered what he called “clarification” to Guayaquil’s body crisis. “It is important to understand that what happened would not have been news, even in Ecuador, under normal circumstances,” he said. “The city’s death rate has increased 20 to 25 percent over the past 10 days, which could have been handled easily by the funeral homes. During the health emergency, however, more than 80 percent of the funeral businesses in Guayas Province are not operating, which has forced us to ask the military to assume the job of removing, storing and burying bodies.”

Duart added that the health ministry estimates that about 20 percent of recent deaths in Guayaquil are the result of Covid-19 infections, despite the fact that few of the dead have been tested.

[Gracy]

Here's a piece written in The Guardian by the Spanish leader:
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Europe's future is at stake in this war against coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/europes-future-is-at-stake-in-this-war-against-coronavirus)​
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Pedro Sánchez​
April 5th​
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We can turn this crisis into an opportunity to rebuild a much stronger European Union. But to do so, we need to implement ambitious measures. If we continue to think small, we will fail.​
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...The United States responded to the recession of 2008 with a stimulus package, while Europe responded with austerity. We all know the outcome. Today, when we are on the brink of a global economic crisis of an even greater magnitude than that of 2008, the US has implemented the greatest mobilisation of public resources in its history.​
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Full article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/europes-future-is-at-stake-in-this-war-against-coronavirus)​
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Re: Pedro Sánchez.

What the United States did in 2008/2009, was send every American a check for a few hundred measly dollars, while "printing" trillions to save the very Wall Street bankers that caused the crash in the first place. Millions lost their homes, while the perps ran off with the loot and soon continued on with their merry ways.

Don't let the subsequent skyrocketing stock market here fool anyone. While the rich got richer, wages remained stagnant, consumer prices rose, forcing many Americans to work their fingers to the bone just to keep their heads above water.

That's what "Hope and Change" Barack Obama did for us, and this was "before things changed"...

Fast forward to last month. Once again the average person on the street will get some table scraps as they slowly drown, while the sky is now the limit for large corporations and Wall Street like never before. To help the average person on the street the question always arises "how are you going to pay for it", while to help Wall Street the only question is "how much do we need to 'print'?"

From March 20th:


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Reserve moved with unprecedented force and speed Friday to pump huge amounts of cash into the financial system to ease disruptions that have escalated since the viral outbreak.

The New York Federal Reserve Bank said it will offer $1 trillion of overnight loans a day through the end of this month to large banks. That is in addition to $1 trillion in 14-day loans it is offering every week. Banks, so far, have not borrowed nearly as much as the New York Fed is offering, and the loans are quickly repaid. None of the funding is from taxpayer dollars. Wall Street analysts say the huge number is intended to calm markets by demonstrating that the Fed’s ability to lend short-term is nearly unlimited.

The Fed is also buying Treasury bonds at a furious pace, and will soon run through the $500 billion in purchases it announced on Sunday. It is also accelerating its purchases of mortgage-backed securities. Most analysts expect they will buy more.

“The Fed has just worked with unprecedented speed,” said Steven Friedman, a former economist at the New York Fed and senior macroeconomist at MacKay Shields, an asset manager. “I think there will be no hesitation on their part about buying as many Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities as necessary.”...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/federal-reserve-to-lend-additional-1-trillion-a-day-to-large-banks

What happens when half of Main Street goes belly up this time, while large corporations are flush with freshly injected cash? Bye bye mom and pop businesses, hello large national chains buying them up for pennies on the dollar and replacing them.

What happens as millions lose their homes, again? Hello large banks swooping in to scoop them up for pennies on the dollar.

That's what "Make America Great Again" Donald Trump is doing for us. Looks rather familiar, doesn't it?

This is only one slice of the proverbial pie that's going on here. Of course the overall picture is much larger.

What's the old saying? "Who benefits?"

[Dick]

Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

Greybeard? Heard anything of this?


Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
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Several cell towers in Birmingham, Liverpool and Melling were set on fire Friday night, the BBC reports. The arson follows the spread of fake online news, in which a link is made between 5G radiation and the corona virus. It is not clear what the damage to the masts is.

Last week, unsubstantiated messages were shared linking 5G to the coronavirus. The British Ministry of Digital Affairs, Culture, Media and Sport has warned on Twitter about the fake news reports about a link between 5G and the corona virus. Minister for Cabinet Affairs Michael Gove previously called the reports "dangerous nonsense".

New transmission masts will be installed for the roll-out of the 5G network. Critics are concerned that the radiation from the masts may cause damage to health, although research has shown that the radiation remains below the recommended limit of the European Union.

The police and fire brigade are still investigating the fires. It is not clear whether they are actually 5G radio masts that have been set on fire. The emergency services in the various cities were only able to confirm that they are telephone masts.

In the Netherlands, there is also resistance to the new transmission masts for the 5G network. In February it emerged that telecom providers KPN, T-Mobile and Vodafone are experiencing problems with the installation of cell towers. Concerned citizens are increasingly taking legal action, as a result of which the placement of the antennas is delayed.

[Bill Ryan]

Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

Greybeard? Heard anything of this?

Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
Yes, see this thread:


Burning 5G masts in UK (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110521-Burning-5G-masts-in-UK)

[Bill Ryan]

I just want to cross-refer this post, by our very own Mashika (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45714-Mashika). :heart:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89767-My-Favourite-Music&p=1347825&viewfull=1#post1347825

Her 47-year old cousin "had issues breathing, was taken to the hospital, and never came out."

We don't know that was Covid-19, but it sure matches the symptoms. This is real. It can hit anyone you know.

Anyone reading this is well aware how to take good care of themselves. But first one has to acknowledge there's really a problem.

[Patient]

New transmission masts will be installed for the roll-out of the 5G network. Critics are concerned that the radiation from the masts may cause damage to health, although research has shown that the radiation remains below the recommended limit of the European Union.


Time and time again, organizations just change the "recommended limit" to make their product appear to fit within the guidelines.

It happens so often it has it's own chapter in "10 easy Steps to Writing a Business Plan".

[greybeard]

THE GOVERNMENT ARE USING CORONAVIRUS TO DESTROY BUSINESSES: David Icke's Hunger Game Society


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4G3T9H1e7M

[greybeard]

Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

Greybeard? Heard anything of this?

Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
Yes, see this thread:


Burning 5G masts in UK (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110521-Burning-5G-masts-in-UK)


There is no denying that there is a problem Bill.
Its a question for me-- did the degree of the effects of this virus on human health require the shutting down of virtually all self employed buisness -- the confining of vulnerable people who are bi-polar and need face to face human contact -- same with self help groups who have millions of attendees throughout the world,?

We honestly cant tell at the moment how many lives will be saved --how many will face being jobless, how many will see split up of families, loss of homes, due to lack of income.
We dont know if Sweden will come out worse than those with lock down.

Bill I have no doubt that you honestly believe that this virus is the most serious since -- whatever.

I honestly dont know but I have my doubts, as you have noticed.

I dont have to be right -- im just posting what I find that is perhaps showing a less severe virus than touted by the media, but I believe its a very severe threat to freedom and personal livelihood and therefore global economy.

I hope im wrong about personal livelihood as said my sons may well lose everything that they have worked for all their lives and they are far from being alone in this terrible situation.
The self employed suffer -- all suffer the loss of freedom that an income provides

With respect
Chris


Coronavirus: Michael Gove blasts 5G conspiracy theories as ‘dangerous nonsense’
Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK 6

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-michael-gove-5g-conspiracy-theories-092659356.html

Michael Gove has dismissed a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus crisis may have been caused by 5G networks as “dangerous nonsense”.

Speaking at a Downing Street briefing on Saturday NHS England Professor Steve Powis also described the theories as “utter rubbish” after videos showing masts on fire were posted on social media.

Mobile UK, the trade body which represents network providers, said key workers had been abused and infrastructure threatened as a result of the claims.

On Thursday evening, West Midlands Fire Service said eight firefighters attended an incident involving a 70ft tower on a telecommunications site in the Sparkhill area of Birmingham, although the cause of the fire was not determined.
In this image made available by British government because no media allowed into 10 Downing Street because of the coronavirus pandemic, showing British lawmaker Michael Gove holding a Digital Press Conference on COVID-19, in 10 Downing Street, London, Friday March 27, 2020. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for the COVID-19 coronavirus Friday along with other members of the government, and has self isolated. (Pippa Fowles / No 10 Downing Street via AP)
Michael Gove holding a Digital Press Conference at 10 Downing Street on Friday night. (AP)

Professor Powis said: “I’m absolutely outraged, absolutely disgusted, that people would be taking action against the very infrastructure that we need to respond to this health emergency.

“It is absolute and utter rubbish.”

Cabinet Secretary Michael Gove added: “That’s just nonsense, dangerous nonsense as well.”
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Prof Brendan Wren, professor of microbial pathogenesis, at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said a connection between the phone masts and the virus would be “both a physical and biological impossibility”.

Celebrities who are “fanning the flames” of the conspiracy theories should be ashamed, another scientist said.
National Medical Director at NHS England Stephen Powis speaks during the daily press conference giving the latest update on the Coronavirus pandemic, at Downing Street in London, Saturday March 21, 2020.. For some people the COVID-19 coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, but for others it causes severe illness. (Jonathan Brady / Pool via AP)
National Medical Director at NHS England Stephen Powis also condemned the conspiracy theories. (AP)

Cheers actor Woody Harrelson and former Dancing on Ice judge Jason Gardiner are among stars who have shared theories.

Dr Michael Head, senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton, said: “Conspiracy theorists are a public health danger who once read a Facebook page.

“Here, we also see similar groups of people keen to show their ignorance on a topic where they have no helpful expertise, nor any inclination to post useful public health messages.

“The celebrities fanning the flames of these conspiracy theorists should be ashamed.”

Mobile UK, the trade body which represents network providers, said it is “concerning that certain groups are using the Covid-19 pandemic to spread false rumours and theories about the safety of 5G technologies”.

“More worryingly some people are also abusing our key workers and making threats to damage infrastructure under the pretence of claims about 5G,” a statement said.

“This is not acceptable and only impacts on our ability as an industry to maintain the resilience and operational capacity of the networks to support mass home working and critical connectivity to the emergency services, vulnerable consumers and hospitals.”

It continued: “The theories that are being spread about 5G on social media are baseless and are not grounded in accepted scientific theory.

“Research into the safety of radio signals including 5G, which has been conducted for more than 50 years, has led to the establishment of human exposure standards including safety factors that protect against all established health risks.”

In a statement on Twitter, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport said: “We are aware of inaccurate information being shared online about 5G.

“There is absolutely no credible evidence of a link between 5G and coronavirus.”
Coronavirus: what happened today?

[DaveToo]

Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1348398&viewfull=1#post1348398) that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.

I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.

[Bill Ryan]

Chris, this may be the issue here.

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1348398&viewfull=1#post1348398) that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.

I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.~~~

I just grabbed an image from the net that showed the shape of a simple exponential curve. I didn't even look at the numbers or the dates.

Of course, if you want to post any kind of graph yourself, please do so! :thumbsup:

[Billy]

There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.

Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?

DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.

Have you ever researched the living conditions of the population of India ? Obviously not.

I have been to India many many times. Unlike western families, the beautiful Indian families look after each other until the end of their lives.
Which means that one household will consist of great grandchildren, grandchildren, sons and daughters, mother's and father's, grandmother's and grandfather's all living together under one roof. With only one bedroom.

Therefore, Social distancing is impossible. And that is just one household, multiply that by hundreds of thousands with an uncontrollable virus, you have a disaster waiting to happen

Here is just one example a slum just outside Mumbai. Population 1 million. I am sure even you can see what a dangerous situation those good souls are in if the virus takes hold in just one slum. It would spread like wildfire, then quickly spread to all those living in comfortable skyscrapers next to them.
Africa is in the same situation.

Like I said. Informative scepticism is welcome. I say no more.
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[Gracy]

I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.

Hi DaveToo. Bill's a busy guy here, much of it behind the scenes that I never would have imagined before working with his team. He often goes to great time and lengths to be explicitly clear in his posts, more so than most (including me), so can we cut him a bit of slack for making his point in a bit of "shorthand" from time to time?

His general point was made, isn't that the important thing?

[DaveToo]

http://projectavalon.net/exponential.gif

I just grabbed an image from the net that showed the shape of a simple exponential curve. I didn't even look at the numbers or the dates.

Of course, if you want to post any kind of graph yourself, please do so! :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

OK, here's the Italy chart that I've been graphing on a daily basis.
It seems that they may have peaked a couple of weeks ago.
Of course that's subject to change.

Red = cases
Blue = deaths

https://i.postimg.cc/vgDcS4Xc/Italy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vgDcS4Xc)

Data Source: European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

[Adi]

DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.

Have you ever researched the living conditions of the population of India ? Obviously not.

I have been to India many many times. Unlike western families, the beautiful Indian families look after each other until the end of their lives.
Which means that one household will consist of great grandchildren, grandchildren, sons and daughters, mother's and father's, grandmother's and grandfather's all living together under one roof. With only one bedroom.

Therefore, Social distancing is impossible. And that is just one household, multiply that by hundreds of thousands with an uncontrollable virus, you have a disaster waiting to happen

Here is just one example a slum just outside Mumbai. Population 1 million. I am sure even you can see what a dangerous situation those good souls are in if the virus takes hold in just one slum. It would spread like wildfire, then quickly spread to all those living in comfortable skyscrapers next to them.
Africa is in the same situation.

Like I said. Informative scepticism is welcome. I say no more.
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I entirely agree with this assessment. I have been pondering the potential proliferation of this virus in India, as of recent! If this thing gets a foothold there—drawing upon Italy for example—the outcome, to put it mildly, would be utter devastation for the Indian people. I will be following carefully what is going on there, as I have an uncomfortable 'sense' of how things, might, play out there. USA, also is not looking promising. High population density centres is an obvious indication—though China is pulling a fast one, in my respectful opinion.

Update 11th April 2020,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVe4RGpdgeE

India sees sharpest ever single-day spike in Covid-19 cases as nationwide total nears 7,500

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.04/article/5e914fd985f540093d43ec6e.JPG
https://on.rt.com/aeno

[silvanelf]

DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.


A few days ago, Russia took a similar decision. Just saying.


Putin Tells Russian Security Council That Month-Long Quarantine Vital to Stem COVID-19

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian President Vladimir Putin told the members of the Security Council on Friday that the introduction of quarantine measures until May was necessary to contain the spread of coronavirus in the country.

https://sputniknews.com/russia/202004031078821010-putin-tells-russian-security-council-that-month-long-quarantine-vital-to-stem-covid-19/

[Rosemarie]

Hola my friends. I am writing you from Guayaquil, Ecuador, the hardest hit city for covid19 in Ecuador. I will just share with you my personal experience and a day in the life.......
Today, Sunday 5th of April a goverment spokesman says the total population with covid19 in Ecuador is 3,646, dead 180. Guayas Province is the one with the most cases with 2,524, the second hardest hit province is Pichincha where the capital, Quito, is situated with 345. As you see the difference is huge.

A little personal background here. I returned from a trip to California in the middle of Feb and started packing for my move to a new home besides all the paperwork with selling and buying a new property, and fixing the new place with lots of workers coming and going. no time for outside news I really lived in a bubble. I had disconnected cable tv and went in the internet sporadically as at night I was beat . So I did hear a little about covid19 but did not paid it that much attention.
Thursday 12 March I started to hear a little bit more , but I was I in the middle of my move, with a moving company and 6 people packing my home. Social Isolation was imposible ! This continue Friday and then on Sunday March 15 we heard that there were going to be very strict measurements to combat this covid19 specially in the city of Guayaquil starting on Wednesday the 18 th. My move continued and Tuesday 17th at 6pm everybody left and I was left with a dirty apt, full of boxes, all paintings still packed. I spent the next 10 days unpacking , cleaning, disinfecting , cleaning, disinfecting again and again. More than 10 people between strangers
and some people work for me had been in very close quarters with me for close to a week. No social distancing at all, besides being in the group of over sixty years old and being a diabetic......I started to worry..

Some of the measurements the government took was to put a curfew in place for all the country from 4 pm to 5 am at the beginning , then it was shorten from 2pm to 5 am NO private cars allowed. No inter-provincial traffic allowed. All stores closed, BUT supermarkets and pharmacies open. The companies or businesses relating to food production and medicine are still working. Nothing else. Then they put a restriction to our driving. You could go out depending on your last tag number, mine being 2 I was allowed to drive Tuesday and Saturday. Then this coming week it has been changed to once a week. My day is Monday which means tomorrow I will be in line outside the supermarket at 7 am ( opens at 8) and surely I will be number 70 in line as I was this past Friday. Everybody wearing a mask and gloves , more than 6 feet apart. the line at that hour moves fast and inside the supermarket you find almost anything you need. Maybe lysol type products are not found , but plenty of toilet paper( what is the deal ?) and food. That will be the only day I could go out of my house. In the urbanization I live you cannot even exercise or walk on the public places. Very strict.

Restaurants are closed, but they can deliver. Uber eats and all similar business doing good. Airports are close since 2 weeks ago ,no domestic or International flights allowed, just some humanitarians flights taking USA nationals back to the states, there is one this Tuesday from Guayaquil. tickets one way are $1,000. Also today I know there is another humanitarian flight from Great Britain bringing 90 underage students that were in Oxford learning or perfecting their English language and have been stuck there for close to 3 weeks. The plane if arriving in Quito and everybody had to pay a hotel in Quito to quarantine for 15 days.

All this brings me to how I think Guayas, my city Guayaquil and my neighborhood specially got so many cases of covid19. This is our summer in this part of the country. Heat and rain. No classes. Quito , in the Andes mountains has the same summer vacation as USA OR Europe. This is the time for school vacations with your family and lots of people travel to USA or Europe. Also, colleges an d universities are cheaper in Europe than USA and lots of kids study there. When problems started in Europe, and classes were cancelled, then Ecuadoreans kids returned home. The first ones did not quarantined and passed the virus. since then , things have changed, but the damage was done. Paciente Zero here was not from Guayas, but from another province and she passed it to her family.

Ecuador being a third world country is poor and was not prepared for this epidemic. Who was ? Look at Italy, Spain, Usa........we are doing the best we can , but yes, hospitals are full, the only free beds are if somebody dies a doctor was telling me a few days ago. Number of deaths are higher than the official numbers, but cases in my zone have start to stabilize. I really do not know if it is true they are burning corpses in the streets. I saw a video of what looked like a corpse in the streets with a sheet covering it and a lady went to remove the cover and the man. jump at her ! There is a lot of fake news around , promoted by the opposition to this goverment.

Please do not ask me for charts or articles that I have read. I do not know how to include them here. this is just my personal experience I wanted to share. So we continue , this is my third week or 19th day in my apartment. I am lucky it is big , has a beautiful view, I have money to pay for my food. Very worried about the consequences that are going to happened , the social upheaval that can result from this when people cannot work. I Have friends with the virus, some in hospitals in USA or here in Ecuador , in ventilators. I had people I know died. Also some family members got the virus, but in a mild form. I also have friends that are giving their plasma because they are cured . The people that have died had died alone

THAT is all for now. As always excuse my English. Please take care. I have not read anything in the forum about the virus, my internet is not that good. Will do so now. bye
ahhhh had to finish by saying our Vice President is great. Just saw Bill has the latest from him .
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[graciousb]

Disclaimer, I'm just a curious layperson who enjoys finding patterns, very hungry for a pattern or two in all this, re my comments below.

Possible correlation between blood types , and the HH gene (10% of northern europeans carry including myself), and vulnerability/resistance to Covid? (Theory is O most resistant, the others less so).

One of my sisters, in Washington State in US, just had a friend come down with the thing, hospitalized, getting better. She's in her mid 50s. Blood type AB (carrying an extra 40lbs or so, no other health issues). She had been in some kind of family gathering a week or two prior. Her father in law in his 80s also contracted it and quickly died. Dont know his blood type. But two people I'm close to who likely had it, were very ill, but recovered now (in Seattle and other in San Diego), also blood types A.

Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on youtube (a couple, both scientists, used to teach at Evergreen until the SJW fiasco drove them out). Heather is blood type A and she thinks she had it some weeks back. He is type O and didnt get it. They take it super seriously and basically go through a hazmat process coming and going.

I know this is only anecdotal but it's interesting. Here's another possible clue that could explain why Italy and other areas have such high viral mortality , and why Sweden has taken a more cavalier stance (no lockdowns). 10% of Europeans are resistant to HIV virus (and doesn't the COVID have possible HIV ''inserts'' or similarities? Possibly due to their ancestors exposures to viral plagues. Could this resistance have anything to do with the variations ?

Just wondering.

PS meant to say 10% of northern Europeans.

"Professor Duncan added: “Haemorrhagic plague did not disappear after the Great Plague of London in 1665-66 but continued in Sweden, Copenhagen, Russia, Poland and Hungary until 1800. This maintenance of haemorrhagic plague provided continuing selection pressure on the CCR5-delta 32 mutation and explains why it occurs today at its highest frequency in Scandinavia and Russia.”

From

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.htm

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I cannot find the source- sorry- but I believe some preliminary data from China or South Korea noticed a resistance to complications in type O blood, and a relatively high percentage of complications in blood type A. No mention of rh factor.

[graciousb]

When we know for sure who is actually vulnerable, with antibody testing plus accurate test for the virus itself, we can know who needs to ''lock down'' or who may benefit from a vaccine if a useful one is ever developed, instead of applying these very dangerous draconian anti democratic measures across the board.

Keeping in mind governments are no more likely to return your liberties back to you post crisis than your meth addict brother in law will return that $50 he borrowed years ago.

[greybeard]

Coronavirus and dissent, with Peter Hitchens -- The Brendan O'Neill Show


Peter Hitchens, outspoken opponent of the coronavirus lockdown, joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss the rush to shut down democracy, dissent and the economy in response to Covid-19.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmLQmzsqtB4

[greybeard]

Boris has gone into hospital on the advice of his Dr -- just for face to face tests.
No deterioration in health.
Chris

[thepainterdoug]

A friend sent me this report tonight. I cannot verify who this Dr is or from where. But seems pretty believable based on the news on this.


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I’ve just recovered. This is what I got (53, excellent health)

For the first 9 days it is very much like the flu, slight fever, general malaise, some coughing, like staying in bed but completely manageable. It comes and goes, some periods are completely fine, some feverish periods are somewhat worse. But nothing too bad.

On day 9 - 10 the pneumonia sets in. That is the killer. Fever spikes and part of your lungs just fill with water. Even if you are a healthy and fit person, you might very well die. The problem is that your O2 saturation levels are 90, but you don t feel it. You just fight. Like drowning, This is the pivotal point. And you are completely alone here. There is no cure. Just fight it. It is you against the virus.

After this, you either make a recovery, or you die. Flip a coin. I had nasty feverish episodes, coughing my heart out. and then, after 14 days, you literally feel the virus has left you. Suddenly you know you have won. Oh yeah, funny but your sense of taste and smell have gone for a few days.

At first, you will not be able to walk very far, still sleeping upright, but you feel you are on the win. Your condition improves and after a week or so, you are able to get around.

Thats were I am now. I am a health care worker, so in the first line of defense. Got it from one of my patients.

Next week, i will be back on the job again, donating plasm since I’m making antibodies to virus now. Just to help others to fight it.

Please stay safe you all.

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV-nWT2VLuI

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A friend sent me this report tonight. I cannot verify who this Dr is or from where. But seems pretty believable based on the news on this.


Bob de Bouwer
Chief Surgeon1992–present
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I’ve just recovered. This is what I got (53, excellent health)

For the first 9 days it is very much like the flu, slight fever, general malaise, some coughing, like staying in bed but completely manageable. It comes and goes, some periods are completely fine, some feverish periods are somewhat worse. But nothing too bad.

On day 9 - 10 the pneumonia sets in. That is the killer. Fever spikes and part of your lungs just fill with water. Even if you are a healthy and fit person, you might very well die. The problem is that your O2 saturation levels are 90, but you don t feel it. You just fight. Like drowning, This is the pivotal point. And you are completely alone here. There is no cure. Just fight it. It is you against the virus.

After this, you either make a recovery, or you die. Flip a coin. I had nasty feverish episodes, coughing my heart out. and then, after 14 days, you literally feel the virus has left you. Suddenly you know you have won. Oh yeah, funny but your sense of taste and smell have gone for a few days.

At first, you will not be able to walk very far, still sleeping upright, but you feel you are on the win. Your condition improves and after a week or so, you are able to get around.

Thats were I am now. I am a health care worker, so in the first line of defense. Got it from one of my patients.

Next week, i will be back on the job again, donating plasm since I’m making antibodies to virus now. Just to help others to fight it.

Please stay safe you all.

Day ten is exactly when my daughter woke up because she couldn't breathe and said her lungs felt waterlogged.

[Goba]

This is the pivotal point. And you are completely alone here. There is no cure. Just fight it. It is you against the virus.

This is all panicy, it would have been helpful if he had mention if he used any of the drugs that are said to be helpful at this stage or if he "fought it out by himself" means no meds...

he also never mentions if he used anything that would have strengthened his immune system prior to the onset.

so the entire thing is pretty much useless, in case you haven't heard, you can die of the FLU in almost the same way. and thousands do. every year.

[Bill Ryan]

This is the pivotal point. And you are completely alone here. There is no cure. Just fight it. It is you against the virus.This is all panicy, it would have been helpful if he had mention if he used any of the drugs that are said to be helpful at this stage or if he "fought it out by himself" means no meds...

he also never mentions if he used anything that would have strengthened his immune system prior to the onset.

so the entire thing is pretty much useless, in case you haven't heard, you can die of the FLU in almost the same way. and thousands do. every year.Well, maybe he can be forgiven for a slightly emotional post.... he could have died, and he was clearly aware of that. When that happens, it's a big shock, and it wakes one up a little. (I've been in that situation myself, with near-misses that I somehow managed to survive.)

See this very interesting and entertaining thread! :sun:
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107512-I-shouldn-t-actually-be-alive-now...--)

I shouldn't actually be alive now... :) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107512-I-shouldn-t-actually-be-alive-now...--)

The guy's human. (So are we all. :flower: ) It's a personal description of his experience, rather than a medical report.

I do think this kind of subjective testimony is important because it shows anyone who may still be in denial that this is for real, and can fell a 53 year-old in excellent health like a fallen tree.

That may be valuable, and even life-saving, for some people to understand better than they may do at the moment. (Of course, this is completely separate from the Cui Bono? issue. The virus is real... that was why he shared his experience.)

[Goba]

This is very interesting. The guy is aiming at the Senate so he has an agenda but he seems honest and I cant find fault with what he says (90% of the time)

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[Goba]

I do think this kind of subjective testimony is important because it shows anyone who may still be in denial that this is for real, and can fell a 53 year-old in excellent health like a fallen tree.


It can, and with RELATIVE higher probablility than the flu. But we still do not know the ABSOLUTE numbers of Corona deaths and before we know these there really is no saying which one is more dangerous for a "healthy" 53 year old in comparison.

Regarding subjective health (or even objective as far as it goes today): a German medical doctor which whom I worked on a project (about increasing the immunity incidentally) once did a VAST research into the relationship of final blood (and other) tests at the time of death and he found no significant correlation which means in most cases one could not have guessed the time of death from those tests. Many causes of death allow the victim to feel "totally healthy" briefly before they drop.


https://i.insider.com/5e5f36d9fee23d54ca6d1ff2?width=1668

[thepainterdoug]

And now I add this from my friend Jon. these are people. And peoples lives being destroyed, regardless of what you call it //


My friend dusty died friday. He got back from london March 15th with his finance ... March 18th was in the hospital. Just 5 days ago he thought he was getting past it and then within no time he was doomed. Dusty was 37. Sunday was his funeral and only 10 people could join. His dad also has it , still hanging on in the hospital , and his only wish is to die now as well. This Virus has no boundaries and can get anyone , any age , good health , it doesn’t matter. Everyone stay safe and take proper precautions. I for one have been been a little non believing the risks and haven’t been as smart as I should As if it can’t get me ... I’m so wrong ... my niece and her other medical school students are on the front lines and it’s war for them. Everyone be safe and well. Below is a go fund me only to support first responders in his memory. Looking forward to the dinner after this where we celebrate life and times we have so little of together. Cheers. Dusty is on the page below.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/17th-street-by-way-of-dusty-cemenja

[onevoice]

Here is an article (https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/) about SARS-CoV-2 causing damage to the heart in 19% (seems coincidental) of the patients. The heart contains the same ACE2 receptor as the lungs and kidneys, so it is susceptible to infection from SARS-CoV-2.

Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

By Markian Hawryluk APRIL 6, 2020

https://khn.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/cardiacmystery.jpg?resize=700,560

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde (https://www.montefiore.org/body_mobile.cfm?id=1743&action=detail&ref=5638), the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”

Virus Or Illness?

The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.

“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow (https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/faculty-profiles/az/profile.html?xid=14435), a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”

But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.

Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.

But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.

Initial Data From China

In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763524). And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.

Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.

It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.

Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.

“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”

Facing Obstacles

Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.

But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.

Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh (https://www.nyp.org/physician/saparikh), an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.

“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.

Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation (http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/early/2020/03/18/j.jacc.2020.03.031) of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.

Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.

That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.

For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.

“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”

New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.

“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”

Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.

Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.

Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.

Markian Hawryluk: MarkianH@kff.org, @MarkianHawryluk

[Kryztian]

The media is now claiming that COVID-19 can infect animals:

Tiger Tests Positive For Coronavirus At New York City Zoo, 1st Case Of Its Kind In US

A 4-year-old female Malayan tiger at a zoo in New York City has tested positive for the novel (new) coronavirus, according to results from the National Veterinary Services Laboratories at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). Officials say it's thought to be the first known COVID-19 infection in an animal in the U.S., or of a tiger anywhere. COVID-19 is a disease caused by the coronavirus.

The USDA said samples from the tiger, named Nadia, were taken and evaluated after several lions and tigers at the Bronx Zoo presented symptoms of respiratory illness. The zoo said Nadia, her sister Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions had developed a dry cough and decrease in appetite. They are all expected to recover.

Article continues here:
https://www.news9.com/story/41977427/tiger-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-at-new-york-city-zoo-1st-case-of-its-kind-in-us

[Patient]

So, can you imagine what comes next? Of course, they will say that all of your pets can carry the virus. This will eventually lead to people not being allowed to have dogs because dogs will protect their families.

In those countries that do not allow guns, there are dogs that will protect their owner - only the police will be allowed to have dogs.

[Bill Ryan]

And now I add this from my friend Jon. these are people. And peoples lives being destroyed, regardless of what you call it //


My friend dusty died friday. He got back from london March 15th with his finance ... March 18th was in the hospital. Just 5 days ago he thought he was getting past it and then within no time he was doomed. Dusty was 37. Sunday was his funeral and only 10 people could join. His dad also has it , still hanging on in the hospital , and his only wish is to die now as well. This Virus has no boundaries and can get anyone , any age , good health , it doesn’t matter. Everyone stay safe and take proper precautions. I for one have been been a little non believing the risks and haven’t been as smart as I should As if it can’t get me ... I’m so wrong ... my niece and her other medical school students are on the front lines and it’s war for them. Everyone be safe and well. Below is a go fund me only to support first responders in his memory. Looking forward to the dinner after this where we celebrate life and times we have so little of together. Cheers. Dusty is on the page below.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/17th-street-by-way-of-dusty-cemenja

:bump:

:flower: :flower: :flower:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care in hospital after his coronavirus symptoms "worsened", Downing Street has said.

Mr Johnson has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary", a spokesman added.

The prime minister, 55, was admitted to St Thomas' Hospital in London with "persistent symptoms" on Sunday.

The spokesman said he was moved on the advice of his medical team and is receiving "excellent care".

A statement read: "Since Sunday evening, the prime minister has been under the care of doctors at St Thomas' Hospital, in London, after being admitted with persistent symptoms of coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604

Viking

[DaveToo]

Only in America...

Washington — "A conservative lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against China for the coronavirus pandemic, pushing an unsubstantiated claim that the Chinese government developed the virus as an illegal biological weapon to unleash on the world.
Lawyer Larry Klayman and his group Freedom Watch filed the complaint in federal court in Texas seeking at least $20 trillion from the Chinese government because of its "callous and reckless indifference and malicious acts."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-lawyer-larry-klayman-sues-chinese-government-over-outbreak/

[Bill Ryan]

I felt this was interesting and relevant enough to post here. I wrote myself a couple of weeks ago that the US was only just ahead of Africa and South America in its ability to deal with this.


https://theguardian.com/news/datablog/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-american-reaction-economy-covid-19

Coronavirus is revealing how broken America’s economy really is

6 April, 2020

We are told by everyone from the United Nations to Donald Trump that the US is a ‘developed’ economy. The statistics suggest otherwise

An emergency field hospital is set up in Central Park as the Covid-19 outbreaks spreads. The US has fewer beds per person than countries such as Libya and Mongolia. Photograph: Jeenah Moon/Reuters When Susan Finley developed flu-like symptoms, she didn’t go to the doctor because she was frightened about the cost. Finley’s grandparents later found her dead in her apartment. She was 53.

Finley did not die as a result of Covid-19. She died in 2016 (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs) as a result of America’s healthcare system – a system that led her to avoid treatment for the common flu in order to avoid debt. It is that same system that is currently creaking under the pressure of a pandemic that experts warned was coming but governments failed to prepare for. It is a system that does not qualify for the term “developed”.

The United States of America, we are told by everyone from the president (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgjQvh6we3s)to the United Nations (https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/WESP2019_BOOK-ANNEX-en.pdf), is a developed economy. That term, “developed economy”, sounds like an endpoint, like man standing upright after a series of hunched and hairy iterations. It’s the contrast that makes the definition – developed economies can only really exist if they are compared to their poorer “developing” counterparts. Covid-19 has merely shown the cracks in a very successful marketing campaign about which category the US falls into.

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/1.gif

There are 2.9 hospital beds for every 1,000 people in the United States. That’s fewer than Turkmenistan (7.4 beds per 1,000), Mongolia (7.0), Argentina (5.0) and Libya (3.7). In fact, the US ranks 69th out of 182 countries analyzed (https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/hospital-beds-(per-10-000-population)) by the World Health Organization. This lack of hospital beds is forcing doctors across the country to ration care under Covid-19, pushing up the number of preventable deaths.

America’s numbers are similarly unimpressive when it comes to medical doctors (https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/medical-doctors-(per-10-000-population)). The United States has 2.6 doctors per 1,000 people, placing it behind Trinidad & Tobago (2.7), and Russia (4.0 doctors per 1,000, for a country that is described as being “in transition”). Life expectancies at birth (https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.HALE?lang=en) are lower in the US than they are in Chile or China. The US has a higher maternal mortality rate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_maternal_mortality_ratio) than Iran or Saudi Arabia.

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/2.gif

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/3.gif

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/4.gif

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/5.gif

It’s not just health. Access to the internet is better in Bahrain and Brunei (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/it.net.user.zs) (two countries the UN does not consider developed economies) than it is in the US. Inequality scores are higher in America (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/si.pov.gini?most_recent_value_desc=false) than they are in Mali and Yemen. A closer country to America in inequality is Israel, a country which functions as an apartheid state.

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/6.gif

And the US ranks 81st (https://data.ipu.org/women-ranking?month=3&year=2020) in the world in terms of women’s political representation. So, you’ve got a better chance of making it into office as a woman if you live in Vietnam, or Albania. Sub-Saharan Africa is most comparable to America - 24% (http://archive.ipu.org/wmn-e/world.htm) of seats in the region’s parliaments are held by women, the same figure as in the US.

http://projectavalon.net/US_economy/7.gif

In the United States, 83% (http://ncee.org/2018/05/graduation-rates-worldwide/) of students graduate high school. That figure is higher in Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Barbados, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina as well as Montenegro. None of those countries are considered “developed economies” by the United Nations (https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/WESP2019_BOOK-ANNEX-en.pdf).

So why does the United Nations consider the US as a developed economy when its own statistics so clearly suggest otherwise? One might argue that it’s about simple wealth, or gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of the economy, per capita.

But if that were the measure of development then European countries such as Romania, Hungary and Slovakia should not qualify for the term “developed economy” while Bermuda, Qatar, Singapore and China should all make the list. Besides, GDP per capita is no reliable measure of wellbeing in a country like the US where the richest 5% of people own (https://inequality.org/facts/wealth-inequality/) two-thirds of the national wealth.

The facts are as exhaustive as they are exhausting. There’s one simple conclusion from all of this. We’ve been tricked. We’ve been told that America, like most other majority-white countries, deserves the title “developed economy”. It does not. You can not charge a woman $39.95 (https://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13160624/medical-bills-birth-delivery) to hold the baby that she has just given birth to. You can not constantly operate hospitals at close to capacity in order to maximize profits. The pursuit of private money in systems built for public good has not worked ethically or practically.

Why does it matter whether a country is defined as developing or not? Because it means that policymakers here can distract voters into thinking that crises are constantly diplomatic, military or trade based when actually the problems that America needs to fix most urgently are right here – they’re the crises of health and education. Had those problems been better addressed, the nation would not be struggling as desperately as it is right now.

[Delight]

The questions are building about global institutions being tied to China.

-LqWX8D_Tns

Temporary burials in NY parks? That means to me many more are dying daily than usual.

NYC may temporarily bury coronavirus victims in parks: lawmaker
By Julia Marsh, Rich Calder and Natalie Musumeci
April 6, 2020 (https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-to-begin-temporarily-burying-coronavirus-victims-in-local-parks/)

[thepainterdoug]

Bill yes, Im sure this is true, but i still bet when given the choice, most will still want to live in the USA. I know I would.

Its like when in the car and your the driver, you have the illusion you are safer than if someone else is driving.

I think that makes sense? lol

[Bill Ryan]

The questions are building about global institutions

-LqWX8D_TnsYes. Among much else, what's so very transparently revealing is the WHO's refusal to mention or answer questions about Taiwan. This is now obvious even to mainstream reporters.

[Brightstar]

It is reported tonight Boris has been moved to intensive care, sounds serious.....

[sllim11]

i saw this today on my newsfeed from apple on iphone... dated today(for some reason the date doesn't copy?)

"US, Canada To Shutdown Airspace


MIAMI – The Goverments of the United States and Canada are due to announce the shutdown of their airspace in the coming weeks. The measure would excempt cargo, government and militaty flights.
According to a report by fliegerfaust.com, while the shutdown might be due to the US government’s decision to interdict shipment of N95 masks to Canada by 3M, government, military, and cargo-only aircraft will be allowed to fly. Alas, there is no word on when the shutdown will cease.

In addition, the decision entails that refitted passenger-to-cargo passenger aircraft will be prohibited from entering the closed airspace, as it is easier to disinfect cargo-only aircraft than than to clean passenger aircraft with carpets and hard to reach areas.
As such, American Airlines, Air Canada, Delta Air Lines United Airlines and a number of regional transporters are about to see their operations shut down completely. We expect more information regarding the bi-national airspace shutdown to be confirmed in the coming days.
Do you think the shutdown is a good idea, now that we are entering the expected two-week peak of the pandemic? Leave you comments below, and as always, stay tuned to Airways’s coverage of the COVID-19 crisis and its fallout on commercial aviation worldwide."

when i tried to send article to my desktop it said...

"Error 404
PAGE NOT FOUND
Sorry, someone has already been here before...
and he probably broke this page

Back to Homepage"

now i can't find article on that website https://airwaysmag.com/

seems strange?

[greybeard]

Boris Johnson moved to intensive care after coronavirus symptoms worsen

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-intensive-care-coronavirus-191940523.html



PM ‘still conscious’ but moved after having breathing trouble on Monday afternoon

Johnson was moved at 7pm on Monday - just two hours after daily press briefing

Raab: Johnson’s condition ‘deteriorated over course of Monday afternoon’

Foreign secretary Dominic Raab will ‘deputise where necessary’

News brings outpouring of support from across British politics

Buckingham Palace: Queen ‘kept informed of prime minister’s condition’

Johnson’s pregnant fiancee Carrie Symonds also receives huge wave of support in wake of news

Prime minister Boris Johnson has been taken to intensive care after his coronavirus symptoms worsened.

Johnson had been in St Thomas’ Hospital in central London for tests and observation, but his doctors advised he be admitted to intensive care after he experienced breathing difficulties.

The prime minister is said to be still conscious, but was moved to an ICU at 7pm on Monday in case he needed a ventilator.

He had been admitted to hospital on Sunday after his coronavirus symptoms persisted for 10 days.

[onevoice]

i saw this today on my newsfeed from apple on iphone... dated today(for some reason the date doesn't copy?)

"US, Canada To Shutdown Airspace


MIAMI – The Goverments of the United States and Canada are due to announce the shutdown of their airspace in the coming weeks. The measure would excempt cargo, government and militaty flights.
According to a report by fliegerfaust.com, while the shutdown might be due to the US government’s decision to interdict shipment of N95 masks to Canada by 3M, government, military, and cargo-only aircraft will be allowed to fly. Alas, there is no word on when the shutdown will cease.

In addition, the decision entails that refitted passenger-to-cargo passenger aircraft will be prohibited from entering the closed airspace, as it is easier to disinfect cargo-only aircraft than than to clean passenger aircraft with carpets and hard to reach areas.
As such, American Airlines, Air Canada, Delta Air Lines United Airlines and a number of regional transporters are about to see their operations shut down completely. We expect more information regarding the bi-national airspace shutdown to be confirmed in the coming days.
Do you think the shutdown is a good idea, now that we are entering the expected two-week peak of the pandemic? Leave you comments below, and as always, stay tuned to Airways’s coverage of the COVID-19 crisis and its fallout on commercial aviation worldwide."

when i tried to send article to my desktop it said...

"Error 404
PAGE NOT FOUND
Sorry, someone has already been here before...
and he probably broke this page

Back to Homepage"

now i can't find article on that website https://airwaysmag.com/

seems strange?
I am seeing similar article to what you are describing here (https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airline-news---2645648431.html):

United States and Canada Are About To Announce The Shutdown Of Their Airspace

12:40 - (16:40 UTC) - April 6, 2020 - by Sylvain Faust for fliegerfaust.com

According to multiple reliable sources the governments of both the United States and Canada are about to announce the shutdown of their airspace to everything but private cargo, government, law enforcement and military aircrafts. The decision should be made public in the next few days.

As for cargo flights, only real "cargo" airplane will be allowed to fly, --no passenger aircraft quickly modified to carry cargo. It seems that to disinfect a cargo aircraft is much less tedious than an airliner with carpets, and plenty of difficult to reach areas.

Obviously, as you can assume, carriers such as Air Canada, American Airlines, United, Delta and a number of regional transporters should all see their operations come to a complete halt.

Sources add no definite ending date has been selected yet.

This makes sense when everyone has to be confined at home and not travel, why then should we be able to travel by airplane, when not allowed by car?

Hopefully this should allow the peak of the infection to be reached in the next 14 days, providing a return to some level of normality by the beginning of May.

Maybe the recent move by the US government to interdict shipment of N95 masks to Canada by 3M will incite the Trudeau government to exclude all US firms from the bidding process for the replacement of CF-18 fighter jets... This would leave SAAB alone with their Gripen in the contest. Maybe Airbus Eurofighter would then consider a comeback in the contest, offering again a tantalizing "made in Canada" edition of their Typhoon as offered by Airbus?

Stay tuned to Fliegerfaust for more if this happens…

By Sylvain Faust

[Bill Ryan]

Look at this, in Pakistan, and be horrified. At least in some places, humanity may be gradually descending into some kind of barbarism.

Pakistan Doctors Beaten, Arrested For Protest Over COVID-19 Protection

(They were protesting over lack of personal protective equipment/PPE.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aY5fswZ0eI

[shaberon]

I see about 500 new cases here since yesterday, getting right at 3,000. Of these, 270 hospitalized.

Like with unemployment, businesses have trouble getting their loans. If you were at Wells Fargo, they were capped at $10 billion due to making false accounts in 2018. But, due to the inconvenience, the punishment may be lifted. Anyway, a bunch of those customers were suddenly cut off on Saturday.

And then you will find places only serving current customers, along with websites getting overloaded and quit working.

Bank of America has 177,000 applications for $32 billion, so, that is actually about $180k per loan. Theoretically, a big chunk of this is supposed to cover payroll.

I am told the line at Wal-mart wraps around the building, but so far I haven't seen anything unusual in the small town. This stuff has broken into several prisons around the country, but, out here in most of the rural areas, there's nothing.

Unemployment, of course, is worse than having your payroll covered, being a portion of what was barely enough to scrape by. I don't know why "help" always assumes you were living in largess with a lot to dispose of. I tried to get more of this earlier, but, it wasn't working.

[carnavas]

Hello to dear avalonians, I wanted to report that here in Iran hydroxychloroquine has been prescribed by doctors for more than a month and it’s working for some I dont know about everyone, but there’s a big rumor about a new japanese and now manufactured by chinese drug called avigan (favipiravir) here and that it has been priscribed for a high rank government official(Ali Larijani) and it is sold in the black market for like 3 thousand dollars a sheet, I don’t know wether they created these rumors to sell the drug or that it is more effective than chloroquine

[spade]

If they kill Boris, they wanted to kill Brexit. Pray for Boris’ survival, not about politics, but apparently he didnt get the HCQ memo.... just loathe these wicked evildoers...

[Patient]

Look at this, in Pakistan, and be horrified. At least in some places, humanity may be gradually descending into some kind of barbarism.

Pakistan Doctors Beaten, Arrested For Protest Over COVID-19 Protection

(They were protesting over lack of personal protective equipment/PPE.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aY5fswZ0eI

Police are trained and brainwashed to think a particular way.

The same thing will happen anywhere if given half a chance - police are waiting for a chance to use force.

Please be careful!

One thing I just realized - here we are told that we are not allowed more than one person in a car during the pandemic. The only reason I can think of is that it leaves you with having no witness if you are pulled over by police.

Always remember to "outwitness" your opponent.

[TomKat]

The airlines are asking for $50 thousand million after spending $45 thousand million buying back their own stocks.

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/business/article/U-S-airlines-want-a-50-billion-bailout-They-15182769.php

[Bill Ryan]

More from Guayaquil, in Ecuador. (But nowhere else in the country. :thumbsup: )

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-intensive-care-uk-donald-trump-america-us-praying-recovery-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8c81f68f085d226cfd476c#block-5e8c81f68f085d226cfd476c

~~~
A photograph tweeted out by the mayor of Ecuador’s largest city gives a sense of the scale of the coronavirus tragedy it is now facing, writes Tom Phillips, the Guardian’s Latin America correspondent.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU9XG3LXsAETPhx.jpg

Hundreds of people are feared to have died in Guayaquil in recent days with hospitals and mortuaries so stretched that corpses have been dumped on the streets or outside homes.

“The things we have seen are straight out of a horror film,” one local doctor told the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/ecuadorian-city-creates-helpline-for-removal-of-coronavirus-victims) last weekend.

On Monday night mayor Cynthia Viteri, who has herself been self-isolating after testing positive for Covid-19, said two cemeteries were being built for victims - with a total size of nearly 30 acres (the equivalent of nearly 15 football pitches).

“These spaces will be dedicated to the memory of the guayaquileños who have died during this health emergency,” Viteri tweeted (https://twitter.com/CynthiaViteri6/status/1247311429302210562?s=20).

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Father fined £480 after son is caught flouting lockdown rules four times
Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-father-fined-son-flouts-lockdown-rules-142423304.html

CATTERICK, UNITED KINGDOM - MARCH 28: A Police Officer from North Yorkshire Police speaks to motorists at a vehicle stop to reinforce the importance of social distancing and staying at home to people in Catterick Garrison in a joint operation with military police from 150 Provost Company Royal Military Police as the UK adjusts to life under the Coronavirus pandemic on March 28, 2020 in Catterick, United Kingdom. New police powers to enforce the coronavirus lockdown will allow officers to use force to make people return home if they are in break of emergency laws. Coronavirus (COVID-19) has spread to at least 199 countries, claiming over 27,000 lives and infecting more than 597,000 people. There have now been 14,543 diagnosed cases in the UK and 759 deaths. (Photo by Ian Forsyth/Getty Images)
A North Yorkshire Police officers speaks to motorists at a vehicle stop. (Getty)

A father has been fined after his teenage son broke coronavirus lockdown regulations four times in quick succession.

Officers from West Midlands Police issued the man from Walsall with a fixed penalty notice of £480, which could be doubled to £960, if the teenager continues to go outside without a good reason.

The youngster reportedly left his house three times before a warning letter was sent to his father.

When he went out again, the force was left with “no option but to issue a fine”.


Commenting on the fine, Sergeant Stephen Pursglove, of Walsall Police, said “The youth has now come to our attention on four separate occasions when he has been outside without good reason.

“On at least three of these he was with other youths and on one occasion he was abusive to the officer who tried to speak to him as he ran away.


“His father was spoken to after the first incident and the regulations, the reason for them and the risks to all of us, especially the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, were fully explained to him.

“Despite this he has failed prevent his son going out and associating with others not of his family.

“This left us with no option but to issue a fine. If the youth goes out again without good reason and again associates with others the fine will be doubled and could reach £960.”

Reiterating the force’s plea to stay at home, Sgt Pursglove said: “We urge everyone to stay at home and only go out for a short period of exercise once a day, or to go to the shop for essential items or travel to work where it is not possible to work from home.

“Some people seem to think that they will not catch the virus but they can unwittingly pass it on to others as well as catching it themselves.

“Thousands of people have now died in our own country and many thousands more will die if we don’t all do everything asked of us to prevent the spread of the virus.

“While the vast majority of people are doing as they are asked, it is a pity we now have to put ourselves at risk dealing with those who do not.”

[Delight]

Vitamin C is not a placebo but an effective treatment.

1247159394288140289

[araucaria]

More from Guayaquil, in Ecuador. (But nowhere else in the country. :thumbsup: )

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-intensive-care-uk-donald-trump-america-us-praying-recovery-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8c81f68f085d226cfd476c#block-5e8c81f68f085d226cfd476c

~~~
A photograph tweeted out by the mayor of Ecuador’s largest city gives a sense of the scale of the coronavirus tragedy it is now facing, writes Tom Phillips, the Guardian’s Latin America correspondent.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU9XG3LXsAETPhx.jpg

Hundreds of people are feared to have died in Guayaquil in recent days with hospitals and mortuaries so stretched that corpses have been dumped on the streets or outside homes.

“The things we have seen are straight out of a horror film,” one local doctor told the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/ecuadorian-city-creates-helpline-for-removal-of-coronavirus-victims) last weekend.

On Monday night mayor Cynthia Viteri, who has herself been self-isolating after testing positive for Covid-19, said two cemeteries were being built for victims - with a total size of nearly 30 acres (the equivalent of nearly 15 football pitches).

“These spaces will be dedicated to the memory of the guayaquileños who have died during this health emergency,” Viteri tweeted (https://twitter.com/CynthiaViteri6/status/1247311429302210562?s=20).

???
Judging from the bit of a football field on the bottom of this photograph, this cemetery is less than the size of two pitches. Either the other cemetery is ten times bigger or someone has overstated the acreage.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Delight

Vitamin C being referred to as a placebo drug. But they don't mention the dose, how much and how often? We all know Vit C has to be taken in large doses 10 thou milligrams per day at least and sipped thru the day, and that Liposomal C is best for true body retention.

so they might as well give a salt pill if they are not proceeding seriously with the Vitamin thing

[Tintin]

[Letter to the American Thoracic Society - March 2020]

Covid-19 Does Not Lead to a “Typical” Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome - Luciano Gattinoni et al (Copyright © 2020)

AJRCCM Articles in Press. Published March 30, 2020 as 10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE

Source: https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE

A really good look at what the intensivists are doing and discovering and the results shared with this journal, March-end. (This letter was sourced from a recent Jon Rappoport article and is being posted here without any particular commentary as the letter gives a good insight into what is being discovered, and being undertaken.)

*****

Text:

Dear Editor,

In northern Italy an overwhelming number of patients with Covid-19 pneumonia and acute respiratory failure have been admitted to our Intensive Care Units.

Attention is primarily focused on increasing the number of beds, ventilators and intensivists brought to bear on the problem, while the clinical approach to these patients is the one typically applied to severe ARDS, namely high Positive End Expiratory Pressure (PEEP) and prone positioning.

However, the patients with Covid-19 pneumonia, fulfilling the Berlin criteria of ARDS, present an atypical form of the syndrome. Indeed, the primary characteristics we are observing (confirmed by colleagues in other hospitals), is the dissociation between their relatively well preserved lung mechanics and the severity of hypoxemia.

As shown in our first 16 patients (Figure 1), the respiratory system compliance of 50.2 ± 14.3 ml/cmH2O is associated with shunt fraction of 0.50 ± 0.11. Such a wide discrepancy is virtually never seen in most forms of ARDS. Relatively high compliance indicates well preserved lung gas volume in this patient
cohort, in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS.

A possible explanation for such severe hypoxemia occurring in compliant lungs is the loss of lung perfusion regulation and hypoxic vasoconstriction. Actually, in ARDS, the ratio between the shunt fraction to the fraction of gasless tissue is highly variable, with mean 1.25 ± 0.80(1). In eight of our patients with CT scan, however, we measured a ratio of 3.0 ± 2.1, suggesting remarkable hyperperfusion of gasless tissue.

If so, the oxygenation increases with high PEEP and/or prone position are not primarily due to recruitment, the usual mechanism in ARDS(2), but instead, in these patients with a poorly recruitable pneumonia(3), to the redistribution of perfusion in response to pressure and/or gravitational forces.

We should consider that:

1. Patients treated with Continuous Positive Airway Pressure or Non Invasive Ventilation, presenting with clinical signs of excessive inspiratory efforts, intubation should be prioritized to avoid excessive intrathoracic negative pressures and self-inflicted lung injury(4).


2. High PEEP in a poorly recruitable lung tends to result in severe hemodynamic impairment and fluid retention;


3. Prone positioning of patients with relatively high compliance results in a modest benefit at the price of a high demand for stressed human resources.

After considering that, all we can do ventilating these patients is “buying time” with minimum additional damage: the lowest possible PEEP and gentle ventilation. We need to be patient.

***

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/%5bLetter%5d_Covid-19_does_not_lead_to_a_typical_ARDS_ATS_American_Thoracic_Society_journal_(Luciano_%20Gattinoni_et_al _Mar_30_2020)_rccm.202003-0817le.pdf

[greybeard]

Releasing young people could be best way out of lockdown, experts suggest
Kalila Sangster,Yahoo Finance UK

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-releasing-young-people-could-be-best-way-out-of-lockdown-experts-suggest-150828964.html



Releasing young people aged between 20 and 30 years old who do not live at home with their parents could be the best route out of coronavirus lockdown in the UK, researchers have suggested.

The strategy could help to balance the health risks associated with coronavirus and help the economy avoid an “extraordinary recession”, according to a new briefing paper by experts at the University of Warwick and Warwick Business School.

The UK does not currently have an exit strategy for the coronavirus lockdown, implemented to protect people from the spread of the deadly virus. But as the crisis continues, the strain placed upon the economy worsens.

Allowing the 4.2 million 20- to 30-year-olds in the UK who do not live with older people to resume their daily lives could get the economy moving again, while protecting older people who appear to be more susceptible to severe cases of the virus.

Of those, 2.6 million are employed in the private sector and are more likely to lose their jobs or income during a lengthy lockdown. Releasing them to resume work would allow them to fulfil vital roles in the UK’s transport and delivery network, or open small businesses to stimulate the economy, according to the report.

Read more: Workers under-25 and women financially worst hit by coronavirus

Keeping half of young private sector workers from being made redundant could generate an additional £13bn ($16bn) a year for the economy, the researchers found.

A separate study by the Institute for Fiscal Studies found that younger workers are likely to be hit the hardest by the lockdown, as they are nearly two-and-a-half times more likely to work in a shutdown area, with 30% of workers under the age of 25 employed in those sectors, compared with 13% of those aged 25 and over.

Andrew Oswald, professor of economics and behavioural science at the University of Warwick, said: “The rationale for lockdown is to save lives in the short to medium term.

“However, severe damage is being done to the economy, future incomes, unemployment rates, levels of national debt, and the freedoms we enjoy as a modern society. Before long, some balance will have to be struck.”

Another reason for the early release of young people highlighted by the report is that this age group could become increasingly restless over time and are more likely to break the rules of the lockdown, creating a domino effect that undermines public safety.

Read more: Travel and hospitality hardest hit as COVID-19 continues to ravage UK job market

The report warns that the government would also have to communicate the rationale for the age restrictions clearly to older adults to minimise resentment and police officers would have to enforce them.

The research suggests that older adults could be released from lockdown through a strategy of staged release, using antibody testing to check that people had already recovered from coronavirus.

The researchers also pointed out that young adults are statistically less likely to die from coronavirus or develop severe symptoms.

However, unless a vaccine is found to completely eliminate the disease, the researchers calculated that this policy could result in an estimated 630 extra premature deaths.

Nick Powdthavee, professor of behavioural economics at Warwick Business School, said: “We support the existing lockdown strategy, but in the future it will be necessary to allow citizens to go back to some kind of normal life.

“Unless a vaccine is suddenly discovered there are no risk-free or painless ways forward.

“If this policy were enacted, there would still be tragic cases and some pressure on the NHS, but the effects would be far smaller than if the wider population were released.

Read more: Wellcome Trust calls on businesses to donate $8bn for COVID-19 research

“It could allow our society and economy to move forward in the footsteps of the young, while allowing older workers to share the economic rewards by providing supervision, mentoring, and managerial assistance electronically through sources such as Skype, Zoom, and Facetime.”

[silvanelf]

... but there’s a big rumor about a new japanese and now manufactured by chinese drug called avigan (favipiravir) here and that it has been priscribed for a high rank government official(Ali Larijani) and it is sold in the black market for like 3 thousand dollars a sheet, I don’t know wether they created these rumors to sell the drug or that it is more effective than chloroquine

Thank you for mentioning avigan (favipiravir) -- I found some more info:


Japan to boost Avigan drug stockpile as part of coronavirus stimulus

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan is considering increasing the stockpile of Fujifilm Holding Corp’s Avigan anti-flu drug during this fiscal year so it can be used to treat 2 million people, according to a planning document seen by Reuters.

Local media reported on Sunday that Japan was hoping to triple the production of the drug from current levels, which is enough to treat 700,000 people if used by coronavirus patients.

Avigan, also known as Favipiravir, is manufactured by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, which has a healthcare arm although it is better known for its cameras. The drug was approved for use in Japan in 2014. Avigan is being tested in China as a treatment for COVID-19.

--- snip ---

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-avigan/japan-to-boost-avigan-drug-stockpile-as-part-of-coronavirus-stimulus-idUSKBN21N026



Japanese flu drug 'clearly effective' in treating coronavirus, says China
Shares in Fujifilm Toyama Chemical, which developed favipiravir, surged after praise by Chinese official following clinical trials

Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared with a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.

--- snip ----

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

[Sophocles]

Reinfection vs reactivation:


Cured virus patients might have tested positive due to virus reactivation: KCDC (https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200406006751320)

April 06, 2020
en.yna.co.kr

SEOUL, April 6 (Yonhap) -- More than 50 people who recovered after contracting COVID-19 have tested positive again, but the results might have been due to the reactivation of the novel coronavirus, health authorities here said Monday.

The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said 51 people from Daegu and the surrounding North Gyeongsang Province, the epicenters of the COVID-19 outbreak here, had tested positive for the virus after they were released from quarantine.

KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said the virus was highly likely to have been reactivated, instead of the people being reinfected, as they tested positive again in a relatively short time after being released from quarantine.

The health authorities said a team of investigators has been sent to Daegu to conduct an epidemiological investigation into the cases.

Other virologists and epidemiologists said the positive results from the retesting may have come from the virus reactivating and not from wrong diagnoses.

"There is a pattern of the viral level decreasing and increasing again. An investigation should be thoroughly conducted into whether the level was low enough to show as negative," said Jegal Dong-wook, an infectious disease expert at the Catholic University of Korea.

They also said the COVID-19 virus may remain latent in certain cells in the body and attack the respiratory organs again once reactivated.

"Patients who retested positive are people in which the virus was reactivated or who relapsed," said Kim Tae-kyung, an infectious disease expert at Soonchunhyang University Hospital.

A COVID-19 patient is deemed fully recovered after showing negative results for two tests performed with a 24-hour interval.

The country recorded fewer than 50 new cases of the novel coronavirus Monday, bringing the nation's total infections to 10,284. It marked the lowest daily increase since late February.

khj@yna.co.kr
(END)

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Trump: WHO is China-Centric, 'Really Blew it' on Coronavirus (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/trump-who-china-centric-really-blew-it-coronavirus)


"The W.H.O. really blew it," Trump said in a Twitter post. "For some reason, funded largely by the United States, yet very China centric. We will be giving that a good look. Fortunately I rejected their advice on keeping our borders open to China early on. Why did they give us such a faulty recommendation?"

[greybeard]

Britain set for 66,000 COVID-19 deaths, highest toll in Europe: study


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-set-66-000-covid-19-deaths-highest-134706494.html

(Chris says. How on earth do they get that figure, notice they are implying a second wave will happen)


Britain could see as many as 66,000 COVID-19 deaths during the first wave of the current pandemic, new research showed Tuesday, making the outbreak there by far the deadliest in Europe.

Modelling conducted by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington's School of Medicine showed that approximately 151,680 people were likely to die from the virus across the continent.

While the novel coronavirus emerged in China and was initially focussed in east Asia, the World Health Organization now says the pandemic is centred in western Europe, with Spain, Italy and France experiencing devastating death tolls.

Most European nations have introduced strict social distancing measures to try to stem the virus spread.

More than 5,000 people have died from COVID-19 in Britain, fewer than in Spain, Italy and France.

But Britain's epidemic lags behind the rest of the continent by several days, and its death toll trajectory is already steeper than other nations.

Using local and international data on case numbers, as well as age mortality breakdowns from Italy, China and the US, the team at IHME modelled the expected death toll on a country-by-country basis.

A key consideration was an individual nation's intensive care bed capacity.

It found that Britain could experience 66,000 COVID-19 deaths by July, far more than Italy, the next most severely impacted, with around 20,000.

Spain and France were next, with 19,000 and 15,000 predicted deaths, respectively.

"We are expecting a foreboding few weeks for people in many parts of Europe," said IHME Director Christopher Murray.

"It seems likely the number of deaths will exceed our projections for the United States.

On Sunday the institute predicted just over 80,000 US COVID-19 deaths during the pandemic's first wave.

The modelling suggests that outbreaks in Italy and Spain, where hundreds of deaths have been reported daily for weeks, may be past their peak.

Daily deaths in both countries have declined for several days.

But Britain is likely weeks away from getting a handle on its death toll as intensive care capacity is overwhelmed.

Peak demand was forecast to see more than 100,000 hospital beds needed versus the 17,765 currently available.

"The peak for Europe as a whole is expected in the third week of April," said Murray

- Could still get worse -

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who is currently in intensive care with COVID-19, came in for criticism for his government's slow response to the pandemic.

Britain now has strict social distancing measures in place, but it had held off implementing them even as the outbreak surged in Europe.

The IHME models include the predicted effect of social distancing, and Murray said it was vital that measures are not relaxed too suddenly once countries pass their mortality peak.

"It is unequivocally evident that social distancing can, when well implemented and maintained, control the epidemic, leading to declining death rates," Murray said.

"Those nations hit hard early on implemented social distancing orders and may have the worst behind them as they are seeing important progress in reducing their death rates.

"Each nation's trajectory will change -– and dramatically for the worse -– if people ease up on social distancing or relax other precautions."

[araucaria]

Just overheard on French TV: 70% of Covid patients (in intensive care) are overweight if not obese. If this is a genuine factor, then the UK and the US curves may well prove steeper than France or Italy.


According to Le Monde (https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2020/04/07/les-personnes-obeses-sont-plus-fragilisees-par-le-virus_6035831_3244.html), this figure is as high as 83%, but this already includes some UK stats.

[T Smith]

Only in America...

Washington — "A conservative lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against China for the coronavirus pandemic, pushing an unsubstantiated claim that the Chinese government developed the virus as an illegal biological weapon to unleash on the world.
Lawyer Larry Klayman and his group Freedom Watch filed the complaint in federal court in Texas seeking at least $20 trillion from the Chinese government because of its "callous and reckless indifference and malicious acts."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-lawyer-larry-klayman-sues-chinese-government-over-outbreak/

How do you file a law suit without evidence, proof? Just baffled, I guess.

[T Smith]

In Northern Italy, 60 volunteers who thought they had never suffered COVID-19 gave blood. 40 tested positive.

Not to beat a dead horse (we have hashed this out ad nauseum), but a very plausible explanation of this is the faulty testing protocols... a positive test may be detecting something, but not necessarily 1) SARS CoV-2 or 2) something that will ever make us sick.


All asymptomatic, escaped from official statistics: they came into contact with the disease, they did not develop it, but they have....Along with the Imperial College data, it is clear there are millions of asymptomatic cases. Why isn´t MSM not using this angle? I can only see two ways out of this, herd immunity or vaccines. Neither seems very appealing.(you have to pay to see more)...

Alternatively:

If the vast majority of the people test positive (it's not a statistical sample, but nonetheless indicates 67% of people walking around have no idea they even have it) could indicate we already have herd immunity or are well on our way to herd immunity. For now, I'll reserve all judgement until I see some antibody studies come out, both on a random swath of the population and among those who have supposedly tested positive, per the current RT-PCR testing technology.

The cynic in me isn't expecting those studies to surface anytime soon...

[Tintin]

The good news about hydroxychloroquine continues to pour in. Last week, Dr. William Grace, an oncologist affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, said they’ve not had any deaths in the hospital of close to a 100 patients. In an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Dr. Grace said: “Thanks to hydroxychloroquine, we have not had a death in our hospital.’
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/30/dr-william-grace-thanks-hydroxychloroquine-not-death-hospital/

Thanks Elainie :highfive:

Here's the transcript from the interview:



“Everybody’s using it [chloroquine] now off-label. We have a surge of coronavirus-19 patients throughout the metropolitan area of New York. And the problem is these patients are coming in quite sick. And when they get to a very difficult respiratory status, doctors are using hydroxychloroquine [an “analog” of chloroquine] with or without a drug called Zithromax or azithromycin. And that’s showing tremendous activity, and we have not had a death in our hospital. We have probably close to 100 patients and not had any deaths. But I’ve talked to my colleagues at other hospitals in New York, and they are using hydroxychloroquine although the supplies are running down. So any kind of supplements to those supplies would be much appreciated…. In the trenches, we’re all using it especially for desperately ill people…. We’re not using it on everybody, but we’re using it on those people who show major respiratory compromise…

We think it works in two ways. As you know, the death rate goes up as the age goes up. And what I think is that the more mature your immune response, the more likely you are to have what we call a cytokine storm, which means that people with viral pneumonia die because their lungs fill up with fluids largely from an immune response. And this drug works not only inhibiting virus replication but also inhibits the immune response.”

[sunwings]

SOME SWEDISH HOSPITALS HAVE STOPPED USING CHLOROQUINE TO TREAT COVID-19 AFTER REPORTS OF SEVERE SIDE EFFECTS

Several hospitals in Sweden have reportedly stopped administering chloroquine to coronavirus patients following reports the drug was causing adverse side effects.

According to the national paper Expressen, hospitals in the Västra Götaland region are no longer offering the antimalarial medication, with side effects reported to include cramps and the loss of peripheral vision.

https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-hospitals-chloroquine-covid-19-side-effects-1496368

[waves]

Apparently said by this W.H.O. official last week. Apologies if already posted I didn't see it, but couldn't be more worth repeating.

W.H.O. Official: "May have to enter homes and remove family members"
672,124 views•Apr 7, 2020


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmtEGNdee2Y



https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

[Tintin]

Virginia Guiffre/Virginia Roberts

Oh, how the Epstein 'affair' seems so long ago now (but not forgotten here at Project Avalon). EDIT to add: also posted by Bill here on the Epstein thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107734-Jeffrey-E.-Epstein-arrested-and-charged-with-sex-trafficking-by-fed-6th-July-2019-.&p=1349163&viewfull=1#post1349163

Unfortunately Virginia does now seem to have become one of the latest victims to fall foul of this virus, here photographed in an ICU in Australia. From her Twitter feed earlier today, April 7th. A simple get well message has been retweeted from our account.

https://twitter.com/VRSVirginia/status/1247386661849157634

[sunwings]

There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.

Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?No, not an over-reaction. An early reaction.

Look at the shape of the exponential graph in my post immediately above. The numbers are super-low in India right now — of course. But if it grabs hold and spreads fast, there's a huge disaster there waiting to happen. So the Indian government is trying to slow that down, if at all possible, simply to give them time to cope.

I've traveled in India several times. Back in 1981, when I was first there, 10,000 homeless, desperately poor people slept every night in Calcutta main railway station (now renamed Kolkata), and trucks would come every morning to take away the dead bodies.

It's better now, but there are still huge slums, widespread poverty, and extremely crowded cities. It's not nearly as wealthy and organized as China is. My personal opinion is that the government has an almost impossible challenge to contain the thing there. I'm very worried about it, and I'm certain the government is, too.

The Indian Government have acted...

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The Indian people need them to.

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[mgray]

Mr. President assemble a US back-to-work task force. My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/04/07/mr-president-assemble-a-us-back-to-work-task-force/)

[graciousb]

I see about 500 new cases here since yesterday, getting right at 3,000. Of these, 270 hospitalized.

Like with unemployment, businesses have trouble getting their loans. If you were at Wells Fargo, they were capped at $10 billion due to making false accounts in 2018. But, due to the inconvenience, the punishment may be lifted. Anyway, a bunch of those customers were suddenly cut off on Saturday.

And then you will find places only serving current customers, along with websites getting overloaded and quit working.

Bank of America has 177,000 applications for $32 billion, so, that is actually about $180k per loan. Theoretically, a big chunk of this is supposed to cover payroll.

I am told the line at Wal-mart wraps around the building, but so far I haven't seen anything unusual in the small town. This stuff has broken into several prisons around the country, but, out here in most of the rural areas, there's nothing.

Unemployment, of course, is worse than having your payroll covered, being a portion of what was barely enough to scrape by. I don't know why "help" always assumes you were living in largess with a lot to dispose of. I tried to get more of this earlier, but, it wasn't working.

I was told by my bank last Thursday (UnionBank) that the loan program hadn't even launched yet.

[thepainterdoug]

I'm listening to the news tonight and I heard Tucker say that the hospitals are not separating Covid 19 from pneumonia .
So i did some research and found the yearly deaths of pneumonia, and then of the influenza flu /

https://www.rightdiagnosis.com/p/pneumonia/deaths.htm
Death rate extrapolations for USA 2018 for Pneumonia: 61,776 per year,

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
And 80 thousand deaths from influenza THE FLU in 2018

60 thousand Pnemonia, YEARLY RATE and 80 thousand per year for flu

So 60 thousand Pneumonia and 80 thousand flu is 140 thou

AND THIS IS WITHOUT COVID 19

so what are we counting in this Covid 19 death rate? If we are including pneumonia within this than the actual COVID 19 numbers are much lower.

is this some statistical bait and switch ? Im still scratching my head

[Dorjezigzag]

From 2015 the theme of 2020, spreading like a virus.

I am the Virus!

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[onawah]

News and Updates from Dr. Mercola
(Go to this link to find the articles):
https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/default.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art3ReadMore&cid=20200407Z1&et_cid=DM501456&et_rid=845889102

Why You Want to AVOID CT Scans with COVID-19 and Use Ultrasound Instead
April 7, 2020

CT Scans emit enormous amounts of ionizing radiation, up to 100 times more than a chest-X ray. If you do have to get a CT scan it would be wise to have high ketone levels as they have been shown to reduce the ionizing radiation damage. We will be...

Revised Model Now Predicts SARS-CoV-2 Deaths To Be Less than Half Predicted
April 7, 2020

Public health officials now say deaths due to SARS-CoV-2, will be around 81,766 when the final tally is done, much fewer than the 200,000 deaths that Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,...

New Study Points to Vitamin D as Possible Answer to Pandemic
April 7, 2020

A new study shows that simply supplementing with vitamin D — the “sunshine” vitamin — may be a possible answer to fighting and possibly preventing not only coronavirus, but other respiratory infections, as well. 1 From...

New Study Shows Ivermectin Reduces Replication of SARS-Cov-2
April 6, 2020

A new study published in the journal Antiviral Research finds that Ivermectin, a common agricultural drug used as a de-wormer for cats, dogs, horses and livestock — achieves a 5000-fold reduction in replication of SARS-CoV-2. Source: Antiviral...

Could a Common Malaria Drug Be the Cure for COVID-19?
April 6, 2020

A common drug used to fight malaria is being rolled out in New York, with 4,000 patients receiving hydroxychloroquine in rounds of four- or 10-day doses. Also notable is that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is bankrolling a different trial...

Bill Gates Banks on His Own Vaccine for Coronavirus
April 6, 2020

If billionaire Bill Gates’ dream for a coronavirus comes true, it will be ready for you by the end of this year. Funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, biotech Inovio will begin injecting volunteers with the vaccine today, April 6,...

Lost Sense of Smell, Taste a Warning Sign of Coronavirus
April 6, 2020

A New York City nurse who struggled to get tested for COVID-19 worked for about a week while infected. CNN reported the nurse, 44, who worked with patients who had coronavirus, finally tricked her way into getting tested, asking a colleague in ER to...

Will Artificial Intelligence Help Us Out of This Mess?
April 5, 2020

David Silver leads the deep reinforcement learning group at Deep Mind and is the lead programmer of the team that created Alpha Go and Alpha Zero that defeated the World Go Champion. Lex Fridman teaches artificial intelligence at M.I.T and believes...

Why Molecular Hydrogen Could Prevent Many COVID-19 Deaths
April 4, 2020

Molecular hydrogen (H2 gas) has antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects, which make it potentially useful for COVID-19 as explained in this video by Tyler LeBaron.

[gini]

Tucker Carlson Tonight 7 april with careful optimism about the decreasing numbers and the apparent passing of the peak of the epidemic,the hopeful and maybe not so alarming situations of the hospitals, the testing,the crashing economy,the counting of the death and the confusion about tcovid 19 as the main cause ,the effectiveness and politricks with hydroxocloroquine,and more pretty refreshing questions and opinions for a popular mainstream newsshow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnyk9zuEio

[silvanelf]

Data scientist reveals EYE PAIN may be a symptom of Covid-19 after tracking Google searches in some of the worst-hit American states

Searches for the phrase 'loss of smell' highest in NY, NJ, Louisiana and Michigan
Data scientist argues Google searches can determine next outbreak of Covid-19
He also says there is evidence to suggest eye pain could be a symptom of virus

A data scientist has claimed that Google search results from around the world could be key to determining undiscovered coronavirus symptoms as well as locating emerging outbreaks.

Seth Stephens-Davidowitz explained how Google searches for the phrase 'loss of smell' align with the number of positive cases of coronavirus, and why he believes eye pain could be another unofficial signal of the illness.

Most researchers now agree that loss of smell and taste is a symptom of Covid-19, affecting up to 60% of those who contract the illness.

Searches for the phrase 'loss of smell' in the US were highest in New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Michigan, which are four cities worst hit by the outbreak.

Mr Stephens-Davidowitz went on to predict that Ecuador could become a new epicentre for the virus based on people's Google searches.

Writing in the New York Times, Mr Stephens-Davidowitz said: 'Searches for "no puedo oler" ("I can't smell") are some 10 times higher per Google search in Ecuador than they are in Spain, even though Ecuador officially reports more than ten times fewer Covid-19 cases per capita than Spain does.

'Ecuadoreans are also right near the top in searches for fever, chills and diarrhea.'

Mr Stephens-Davidowitz argued that based on Google's search history, there is evidence to suggest eye pain could also be considered a symptom of the virus.

'Notably, searches for eye pain rose above fourfold in Spain between the middle of February and the middle of March and rose about 50 percent in Iran in March.

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more at link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8191035/Data-scientist-reveals-EYE-PAIN-symptom-Covid-19.html

[leavesoftrees]

This article discusses why hydroxychloroquine works - because Covid 19 attacks haemoglobin in the same way as malaria does by inhibiting its ability to carry oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body. In the process toxic iron ions are released into the lung tissues from the alveoli thereby causing the extensive lung damage

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.
The story with Hydroxychloroquine

All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.

Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.

Fini.

[bennycog]

Virginia Guiffre/Virginia Roberts

Oh, how the Epstein 'affair' seems so long ago now (but not forgotten here at Project Avalon). EDIT to add: also posted by Bill here on the Epstein thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107734-Jeffrey-E.-Epstein-arrested-and-charged-with-sex-trafficking-by-fed-6th-July-2019-.&p=1349163&viewfull=1#post1349163

Unfortunately Virginia does now seem to have become one of the latest victims to fall foul of this virus, here photographed in an ICU in Australia. From her Twitter feed earlier today, April 7th. A simple get well message has been retweeted from our account.

https://twitter.com/VRSVirginia/status/1247386661849157634

George F%$#*ng Pell gets released and sent back to his Pedo mates and Virginia Potentialy gets COVID 19. WOW

[Bill Ryan]

Trump totally got this one right. :thumbsup::thumbsup: The WHO has been criminally negligent, and increasingly transparently so.

https://infowars.com/they-called-it-wrong-trump-declares-hold-on-funding-china-centric-w-h-o

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“They called it wrong.” Trump Declares “Powerful Hold” on Funding “China-centric” WHO

President punishes globalist UN agency for siding with China amid pandemic

President Trump on Tuesday declared the U.S. is suspending funds to the World Health Organization pending an investigation into why they failed to warn America about the potential for a coronavirus outbreak.

During the announcement Tuesday in the White House briefing room, Trump slammed the World Health Organization for being wrong about his Chinese travel ban, and accused them of keeping vital information hidden from the US, labeling the globalist health authority “China-centric.”

Read the president’s own statements on why he felt the need to suspend WHO funds, transcribed below:

“The WHO receives vast amounts of money from the United States, and we pay for a majority… biggest portion of their money, and they actually criticized and disagreed with my travel ban at the time I did it, and they were wrong – they’ve been wrong about a lot of things.”

“And they had a lot of information early and they didn’t want to… they seem to be very China-centric and we have to look into that. So we’re gonna look into it. We pay for… we give em a majority of the money that they get .

“And it’s much more than the 58 –58 million dollars is a small portion of what they’ve gotten over the years. Sometimes they get much more than that. Sometimes it’s for programs they’re doing and it’s much bigger numbers, and if the programs are good then that’s great as far, as we’re concerned, but we wanna look into it.

“World Health Organization – because they really are… They called it wrong. They called it wrong. They really they missed the call. They coulda called it months earlier. They woulda known, they shoulda known, and they probably did know. So we’ll be looking into that very carefully and we’re gonna put a hold on money spent to the World Health Organization.

We’re gonna put a very powerful hold on it and we’re gonna see. It’s a great thing if it works, but when they call every shot wrong…”
Trump also referred to the WHO as “China-centric (https://www.infowars.com/trump-slams-world-health-organization-for-siding-with-china-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/)” in a tweet early Tuesday.

In one of the most infamous instances of the World Health Organization “getting it wrong,” or possibly putting out misinformation, the WHO tweeted on January 14 that there was no evidence of human-to-human coronavirus transmission, which has since proven false.

[Bill Ryan]

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-live-news-us-trump-threatens-who-funding-uk-boris-johnson-global-cases-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8dbbc48f085d226cfd51c6#block-5e8dbbc48f085d226cfd51c6, 3 hours ago, about the lockdown still in force in Wuhan:

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Amid reports that life in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the coronavirus outbreak began in December, is returning to normal, a reader has written to give his experience of the easing of the lockdown.

Although many Westerners left China at the beginning of the crisis, Mark Gaynor, who says he has lived in Wuhan for seven years, was in the city throughout the crisis. What has been widely reported as the end of Wuhan’s lockdown is somewhat different from his lived experience, he writes:




What you’ve seen happen to day is the ‘exit door’ open to allow thousands of people who have been trapped in Wuhan for 76 days to finally go home.

Life for residents of Wuhan is still more restricted than UK’s so-called lockdown. Each district is controlled by its own local authority so it’s not entirely uniform but the basics are the same.

To leave the community residence you need a green health code via an app on your phone. This is tied to your Chinese ID card and logs who you are and where you are. Your temperature is also taken.

To use the limited public transport you also need to log in and out using the app. Foreigners don’t have an ID card so they can’t use it.

Anyone returning to work also needs a special certificate verifying that the business has been given permission to restart. Otherwise you’re expected to return to your home within two hours.

Restaurants, cafes, stores, anywhere that people might gather are still closed. I can get to the supermarket five minutes walk from my apartment block, that’s all.

One hour a day exercise? No way.

So nobody should be mistaken that life in Wuhan is back to normal. And people in the UK need to think about what lockdown really means.

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Lockdowns are not best way to tackle COVID-19, says top WHO adviser
Yahoo News UK James Morris,Yahoo News UK



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-lockdowns-testing-who-adviser-163518579.html

A top World Health Organization adviser has said lockdowns are not the best way to tackle the coronavirus pandemic.

More than a third of the world’s nations are under lockdown due to the COVID-19 crisis, which has cost more than 83,000 lives.

However, Dr Bruce Aylward, senior adviser to WHO director general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said the “key to stopping this” is instead testing, isolation and contact tracing.

Speaking at a WHO press conference, he added: “We are in the middle of a war, here – a very, very serious war that we are only beginning to understand.

“We have to accept we are in a situation and we have to do everything we can to save lives, reduce transmission, and get societies back to the new normal way of functioning.”

Dr Aylward’s remarks about lockdowns would appear to be supported by the example of South Korea, where cafes and shops remain open.




South Korea is seen by many as the world’s leader in restricting the spread of COVID-19 thanks to its extensive testing and contact tracing programme.


This is despite initially being the second worst affected country, behind China, at the beginning of the outbreak. It has carried out 486,003 tests.

This compares to the UK – population 66 million – which has been under lockdown for more than two weeks and now has a death toll of 7,097. There are 60,733 confirmed cases, with 232,708 tests carried out.

Dr Youngmi Kim, an expert in Korean public policy from the University of Edinburgh, said it was the South Korean government’s speed at the beginning of the outbreak that made the key difference.

She told Yahoo News UK last week: “They traced all these patients who got positive tests: where they visited and who they met. If they had visited supermarkets, shops or libraries, they closed those venues for two weeks and sanitised them.

“Also, they investigated all those people they had contacted and they had the same testing procedure.”

However, another reason why South Korea has been able to avoid lockdown is a special mobile phone app which pings when there is a coronavirus patient nearby: something which raises obvious civil liberty issues.

Ps I would like to point out that news I paste is not my opinion --I just post what might be of interest -- as always --it may be so --or not-- as the case might be.
I have set out my views early on and that too is may be so.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-live-news-us-trump-threatens-who-funding-uk-boris-johnson-global-cases-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8e36868f08ec70ceced2e9#block-5e8e36868f08ec70ceced2e9, 20 minutes ago. Not good news at all.

(And wake up, any "it's just 5G" virus-deniers reading this: there's no 5G in the Amazon jungle. This is a virus. It's infectious.)
Covid-19 fears grow for indigenous South Americans as Yanomami teen tests positive

Fears over the devastating impact coronavirus could have on South America’s indigenous communities have grown after a teenager from Brazil’s Yanomami people tested positive for the illness in the Amazon.

The 15-year-old is reportedly (https://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/adolescente-yanomami-em-estado-grave-um-dos-7-casos-de-coronavirus-entre-indigenas-no-brasil-24358870) being treated in the intensive care unit of a hospital in Boa Vista, the capital of Roraima, the northern Brazilian state where much of the Yanomami reserve is located.

The teenager was admitted (https://g1.globo.com/rr/roraima/noticia/2020/04/08/adolescente-yanomani-e-infectado-pelo-coronavirus-em-rr.ghtml) last Friday complaining of chest pains, breathing difficulties and a sore throat and tested positive for the illness on Tuesday. (Read more (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-indigenous-communities-brazil-yanomami))

It comes after indigenous groups across South America blockaded their villages and retreated into their traditional forest and mountain homes in an effort to escape the potentially cataclysmic threat of coronavirus.


And this article, too:


"Coronavirus could wipe us out." Indigenous South Americans blockade villages
(Read more (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/south-america-indigenous-groups-coronavirus-brazil-colombia))

[Bill Ryan]

From the Epoch Times yesterday. It looks extremely interesting, but I've NOT watched this yet.

Exclusive investigative report: the first documentary movie on the origin of Covid-19


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U[/url]

[shaberon]

In the race to the bottom, locally, we are around 3,500 cases, 370 hospitalized. Sweden is around 8,500 and about 680 in serious condition.

These charts will soon be less informative as greater numbers recover and leave the hospital. I would think they should make two charts, totals v. current.

So far I don't see much difference in the infection rate, other than our outbreak was about two weeks later than theirs.

Looks like it is bad in aircraft carriers, prisons, and nursing homes. Concentration in close quarters is obviously bad, but, "staying at home" does not seem to be a big improvement over normal distance and cleansing so far.

[DaveToo]

In the race to the bottom, locally, we are around 3,500 cases, 370 hospitalized. Sweden is around 8,500 and about 680 in serious condition.

These charts will soon be less informative as greater numbers recover and leave the hospital. I would think they should make two charts, totals v. current.

So far I don't see much difference in the infection rate, other than our outbreak was about two weeks later than theirs.

Looks like it is bad in aircraft carriers, prisons, and nursing homes. Concentration in close quarters is obviously bad, but, "staying at home" does not seem to be a big improvement over normal distance and cleansing so far.

Where are you shaberon?
I ask because your member flag shows the U.S.
Or by 'locally' did you mean just in your town or city?
I took it to mean your country.

[Tintin]

"In 2016, a pandemic drill was carried out in Britain with shocking results. Devastated by cuts, the NHS was overwhelmed. The govt was warned, but did nothing and the Dept of Health suppressed the conclusions. What has happened in 2020 is a state crime." - John Pilger


Referring to,

Exercise Cygnus was a simulation exercise carried out by the British government in October 2016[1] to estimate the impact of a hypothetical influenza pandemic on the United Kingdom. The exercise showed that the pandemic would cause the country's health system to collapse from a lack of resources,[2][3] with Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer at the time, stating that a lack of medical ventilators and the logistics of disposal of dead bodies were serious problems.[4][5] As of March 2020, the full results of the exercise remain classified.[6] (https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/extraordinary-exchange-care-minister-coronavirus/)

Source: Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus)


*******

John Pilger on Going Underground

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And the interview, April 8th, 2020 here:

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On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to legendary journalist and film-maker John Pilger about the Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. He discusses the fact that the Conservative government was warned about shortages leaving the NHS vulnerable in pandemics 4 years ago, the damage privatisation has done to the National Health Service, budget cuts which have seen bed capacities fall to record lows, his criticisms of the Boris Johnson administration’s response to Coronavirus, the lack of mass-testing in the U.K. which has been seen in other countries such as Germany, South Korea and China, the government blaming China for the Coronavirus crisis, the threat to Julian Assange’s life as he is denied release from prison as Coronavirus claims its first victim in Belmarsh Prison and more!

***

Related:

NHS England Board Paper PB.30.03.2017/10 (https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/board-paper-300317-item-10.pdf)

Exercise "Cygnus" 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus)

[6] Nick Ferrari exchange on LBC Radio with Sally Davies, then Care Minister (2017)

Listen here: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/extraordinary-exchange-care-minister-coronavirus/

[Sophocles]

This is also from the Epoch Times. I’m thinking maybe Trump could be right in calling coronavirus ‘the Chinese virus’ after all. The content below is yet to be verified. Hopefully it never will be. Chillingly nonetheless.



[Exclusive] Chinese Expert Warns that Recovered Virus Patients Could Remain Contagious | CCP Virus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUHYJf6WK-s)

In a leaked internal speech, a Chinese military medical expert spoke to military medics and revealed that in recovered patients, the immune system is totally destroyed and they could remain contagious. The Epoch Times could not independently verify the claims this expert made.
-
A Chinese military medical expert revealed:

I will remind you that this coronavirus (CCP virus) is just ferocious.
You should protect yourself, you must.
You must avoid contracting the virus and be very alert of this virus.
It is very important to elevate your immunity.
Why is it elevating your immunity the most important thing to do?
You should not think of it as something not related to you.

In fact, the medical field has long had suspicions about the origin of the virus.
The first generation of the virus also spreads quickly, among family members.
During the early outbreak, one third to half of the patients were dead.
That was because the first generation of the virus was very potent.

This is not as simple as pneumonia. This is huge.
The in-patient specialists have reached a consensus.
According to the current situation, the recovered patient could remain contagious.
You will have to be careful at the clinics.
Telemedicine could be the trend.
So, you should find a way to avoid direct contact with these patients.
You must pay high attention to thoroughly disinfecting the clinics.

Now it shows that recovered patients continue to spread the virus.
Do not expect a vaccine, let me tell you.
Do not expect there'll be a vaccine.
Those who talked about how vaccines can be developed are all charlatans.

Those who have been infected will have a lot of trouble. (Now that it has spread far and wide,) what's next, how it will develop later, no one has a clue.

This virus, in fact, is how humans are going to self-destruct.
There is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
These last two slides are very simple. They tell you that anyone with the infection could very well become the carrier.
Therefore, you have to know what I am talking about. People around you, only heaven knows (who's the carrier).

Video:

cUHYJf6WK-s

[NewParadigmGuy]

Some doctors moving away from ventilators for virus patients
AP NEWS

NEW YORK (AP) — As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.

More here:

https://apnews.com/8ccd325c2be9bf454c2128dcb7bd616d

[Patient]

This is also from the Epoch Times. I’m thinking maybe Trump could be right in calling coronavirus ‘the Chinese virus’ after all. The content below is yet to be verified. Hopefully it never will be. Chillingly nonetheless.



[Exclusive] Chinese Expert Warns that Recovered Virus Patients Could Remain Contagious | CCP Virus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUHYJf6WK-s)

In a leaked internal speech, a Chinese military medical expert spoke to military medics and revealed that in recovered patients, the immune system is totally destroyed and they could remain contagious. The Epoch Times could not independently verify the claims this expert made.
-
A Chinese military medical expert revealed:

I will remind you that this coronavirus (CCP virus) is just ferocious.
You should protect yourself, you must.
You must avoid contracting the virus and be very alert of this virus.
It is very important to elevate your immunity.
Why is it elevating your immunity the most important thing to do?
You should not think of it as something not related to you.

In fact, the medical field has long had suspicions about the origin of the virus.
The first generation of the virus also spreads quickly, among family members.
During the early outbreak, one third to half of the patients were dead.
That was because the first generation of the virus was very potent.

This is not as simple as pneumonia. This is huge.
The in-patient specialists have reached a consensus.
According to the current situation, the recovered patient could remain contagious.
You will have to be careful at the clinics.
Telemedicine could be the trend.
So, you should find a way to avoid direct contact with these patients.
You must pay high attention to thoroughly disinfecting the clinics.

Now it shows that recovered patients continue to spread the virus.
Do not expect a vaccine, let me tell you.
Do not expect there'll be a vaccine.
Those who talked about how vaccines can be developed are all charlatans.

Those who have been infected will have a lot of trouble. (Now that it has spread far and wide,) what's next, how it will develop later, no one has a clue.

This virus, in fact, is how humans are going to self-destruct.
There is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
These last two slides are very simple. They tell you that anyone with the infection could very well become the carrier.
Therefore, you have to know what I am talking about. People around you, only heaven knows (who's the carrier).

Video:

cUHYJf6WK-s

This just sounds like more propaganda for supporting a mandatory virus - I expect they will try to cover every thought that they could use in their favor.

The good thing is that more and more people are waking up. Now that people have more time on their hands, they are reading and learning something!

Keep sharing info!

[waves]

......It's infectious.)...
...Covid-19 fears grow for indigenous South Americans as Yanomami teen tests positive

Fears over the devastating impact coronavirus could have on South America’s indigenous communities have grown after a teenager from Brazil’s Yanomami people tested positive for the illness in the Amazon.......


'Tested positive' in what valid test? This repeatedly blamed 'test' used by all these reports and statistics has now had it's validity soundly debunked crystal clearly in medical terms from numerous independent sources.

It appears you trust this mystery test implicitly since you keep citing new reports and statistics based on it. Can you show us the also-crystal-clear-in-medical-terms-credible-arguments substantiating the validity of this one mystery test that everyone around the world is supposedly using that has convinced you of it's trustworthyness? I haven't seen any basis for it's medical proof yet, a traditional real test apparently can take weeks and are absolutely never an overnight result.


----> Bottom line, isn't the most important question to us all the validity of 'the test reports/statistics' ?
It's this 'test' that has been repeatedly and repeatedly being cited for weeks as THE valid excuse to ruin millions of lives, businesses and human rights worldwide. <----


(And wake up, any "it's just 5G" virus-deniers reading this: there's no 5G in the Amazon jungle. This is a [B]virus.

Yes there are 'only dangerous in conjunction with 5g' qualifiers, not me. But I sense great ongoing disdain from you for people who are questioning the infectiousness of some aspect of this virus that is a plain old and 'non weaponized' that you seem to be insisting is true.

Just please separate the 5g only people from test deniers. Test deniers are mostly not in denial of a lab created disease which appears to be triggered by more factors than just 5g, but yes, one of them is not as an airborne infectiousness. The test deniers strongly suspect the rampant contagiousness is a totally false premise being used as the main excuse to coerce mass self destruction through fear/compliance.

One of the primary infectiousness contradictions being questioned by the acute infectiousness deniers is the use of the term virus. AIDS, for example, was also classified as a virus and was not infectious/contagious through the air. For now, we are siding with the virologists who are saying the lack of airborne infectiousness in things medically classified as 'virus' did not change.


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[DaveToo]

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-live-news-us-trump-threatens-who-funding-uk-boris-johnson-global-cases-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8e36868f08ec70ceced2e9#block-5e8e36868f08ec70ceced2e9, 20 minutes ago. Not good news at all.

(And wake up, any "it's just 5G" virus-deniers reading this: there's no 5G in the Amazon jungle. This is a virus. It's infectious.)[INDENT] Covid-19 fears grow for indigenous South Americans as Yanomami teen tests positive



Bill, you've done this more than once already (tried to lump everyone into the same box).

Yes there is a group of people who believe that 5G is responsible for ALL the Covid-19 symptoms we are seeing.

There is also another group of people who believe there are MULTIPLE causes (stresses) that are responsible for the Covid-19 symptoms we are seeing,
5G just being ONE of them. (ie. some people may be affected by 5G, other people may be affected by something else etc.).

So I don't think it's a constructive thing to shout out to the '5G virus-deniers' with this 'proof', showing that they must be wrong.

For these Amazon jungle people, perhaps there were other stressors (other than 5G) that made them sick.
And perhaps the standard Covid-19 test simply caught the exosomes that were released to take care of the toxicity.

It may not have been your intent to paint everyone who believes 5G could be producing the Covid-19 symptoms we see, with the same broad brush, but it sure came across that way.

[silvanelf]

[Exclusive] Chinese Expert Warns that Recovered Virus Patients Could Remain Contagious | CCP Virus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUHYJf6WK-s)

In a leaked internal speech, a Chinese military medical expert spoke to military medics and revealed that in recovered patients, the immune system is totally destroyed and they could remain contagious. The Epoch Times could not independently verify the claims this expert made.
-
A Chinese military medical expert revealed:

I will remind you that this coronavirus (CCP virus) is just ferocious.

[...]


First of all, this claim looks like fear porn at its best:

... in recovered patients, the immune system is totally destroyed and they could remain contagious.


For those who don't get it:

The Epoch Times could not independently verify the claims this expert made.

Ha ha ... they could not independently verify the claims ... The Epoch Times is just a CIA front shop.


This just sounds like more propaganda for supporting a mandatory virus - I expect they will try to cover every thought that they could use in their favor.

They should call Covid-19 'the zombie virus' -- to rise the fear porn to an unprecedented level.

[greybeard]

Tests --the news media keep touting that tests are going to make a big difference.
The inventor of a test has said that this should not be used in infectious cases -- it was posted.
David Icke claimed that tests would show positive for just about anything in the human body - that may be an exaggeration on my part --memory not that good -- but whatever the tests are not proof that this current virus exist in a tested person.
David Icke is not maintaining that 5G is responsible for this virus just that it weakens the immune system, that places where there is 5G would probably have more severe cases of the virus.
Think London has 5G.

Another point - way back I pointed out these thread posts do not appear main page -- this makes it more difficult for guests to find information, can this be rectified?
Chris

[Deneon]

From the Epoch Times yesterday. It looks extremely interesting, but I've NOT watched this yet.

Exclusive investigative report: the first documentary movie on the origin of Covid-19


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U[/url]

I actually thought the first half of this was very well done. Informative, well researched, verifiable facts. I almost posted that this is a must see for everyone after watching about 15 minutes of it. I'm glad I finished it before posting though, because..

I was so disappointed by the 2nd half of it. The 2nd half is all about the USA vs China. It's all about being anti China, anti communism, "we're at war with China", "The real enemy is communism" propaganda. Everything that they're saying about China, The US is doing too. They're accusing China of doing research into biochemical weapons. Are we really to believe the US is not doing that? They're accusing the Chinese media of not telling the whole truth and of just disseminating propaganda... I mean, REALLY? Talk about the pot calling the cattle black.

It's very clearly two parts: one very informative, without name calling or hidden agenda or anything. And then all of a sudden it shifts gears and goes into 'CHINA BAD, US GOOD' mode. Shame really.

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Police 'could start searching shopping trolleys' as people continue to flout lockdown
Yahoo News UK Andy Wells,Yahoo News UK

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-lockdown-shopping-trolleys-104151118.html


A police chief has warned his force are just “a few days away” from searching shopping trolleys to make sure people are sticking to the strict coronavirus guidelines.

With the government meeting to discuss an extension to the lockdown, Northamptonshire Police Chief Constable Nick Adderley has said the force will now ramp up the enforcement of coronavirus regulations as the “three-week grace period is over”.

Warning that people in the county could now face fines or a criminal record for breaking the rules, Adderley said measure may include roadblocks and “marshalling” supermarkets and checking the items in baskets and trolleys.

According to the police chief, a small number of people had been flouting the regulations – with some officers being "baited" by members of the public.
Chief Constable of Northamptonshire Police, Nick Adderley, speaking during a press conference at Northamptonshire Police HQ at Wootton Hall Park, Northampton about the death of Harry Dunn.
Chief Constable Nick Adderley warned that people in the county could now face fines or a criminal record for breaking lockdown rules. (PA)

He said: “The role of the police is to preserve lives and protect property and we have to do that and we will do that.

“If things don’t improve, and we don’t get the compliance we would expect, then the next stage will be road blocks and it will be stopping people to ask why they are going, where they’re going.


“This is about reasonableness and if people are not reasonable in terms of the journeys and the trips they are taking, they are going to fall foul of the law.

“We will not, at this stage, be setting up road blocks. We will not, at this stage, start to marshal supermarkets and checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see whether it’s a legitimate, necessary item.

“But again, be under no illusion, if people do not heed the warnings and the pleas I’m making today, we will start to do that.”

Commenting on what people should be shopping for, Adderley went on: “The issue about, what is a necessary item, only go out for necessities – what is a necessity?

“If we’re stopping somebody because they’ve bought a barbecue set or they’ve bought a child’s toy, you could argue that’s not necessary.

“On the other hand, you could argue it absolutely is necessary – because in terms of the mental health and trying to keep people entertained over this period of lockdown, that is very necessary.

“So the nuances and the interpretation is really ambiguous – that’s why I’m saying to officers, use your common sense, use your discretion.

“I think the guidance could be even clearer, but it’s where do you draw the line?”

Speaking about the new approach, Adderley said: "These are not guidelines anymore. This is the law.”

Chief Constable Adderley said forces were “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” when it comes to policing the new rules, and he added that government guidance on how to police the rules “could be even clearer”.

His comments come as Greater Manchester Police revealed they had broken up nearly 500 house parties during lockdown, despite strict instructions about social distancing from the government.

[gini]

Tucker Carlson 9 april ,a 7 minute summary of the latest numbers in the states,and more hopefull looking prognoses in contrast with non stop doom scenarios of all the mainstream outlets.


-HQakEfWC14

Tucker: Are some of our leaders and the media addicted to doom and gloom?

[Gracy]

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It's very clearly two parts: one very informative, without name calling or hidden agenda or anything. And then all of a sudden it shifts gears and goes into 'CHINA BAD, US GOOD' mode. Shame really.

Thanks for the synopsis. My home country the US, especially as of late, is going embarrassingly pedal to the metal with us “good guy”, and anyone who isn’t exactly in line with our interests “bad guy”. Most notably the big 4: China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela.

Hypocrisy abounds...

Just seeing “Wuhon Virus” in the title was good enough for me to pass on by, I’ve seen plenty of that crap from our national politicians already, as a matter of fact I’m pretty sure that particular term was first pushed by our neocon Secretary of State Mr. “We lied, we cheated, we stole” Mike Pompeo.

[Bill Ryan]

In Chris Martenson's video of last night US time, here...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEubPR36pzk
...he cites a 7 April Los Angeles Times article stating that US Federal authorities have been seizing equipment from local areas with no explanation, and the equipment has completely disappeared.

Chris Martenson observes:

http://projectavalon.net/2_possibilities_(Chris_Martenson_8_April_2020).gif

Here's the article. It may be very important. As Chris Martenson states, it's weird (at least!), and may be an indicator of something very unpleasant and even criminal going on. A PDF is archived here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Hospitals_say_Feds_are_seizing_masks_and_other_cor onavirus_supplies_without_a_word_(LA_Times_7_April _2020).pdf).

If this disappears, or there's no follow-up, it means the LA times reporters are being silenced.


https://latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

7 April, 2020

Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.

Officials who’ve had materials seized also say they’ve received no guidance from the government about how or if they will get access to the supplies they ordered. That has stoked concerns about how public funds are being spent and whether the Trump administration is fairly distributing scarce medical supplies.

“In order to have confidence in the distribution system, to know that it is being done in an equitable manner, you have to have transparency,” said Dr. John Hick, an emergency physician at Hennepin Healthcare in Minnesota who has helped develop national emergency preparedness standards through the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

The medical leaders on the front lines (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-07/coronavirus-respiratory-therapists-ventilators-shortage) of the fight to control the coronavirus and keep patients alive say they are grasping for explanations. “We can’t get any answers,” said a California hospital official who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation from the White House.

In Florida, a large medical system saw an order for thermometers taken away. And officials at a system in Massachusetts were unable to determine where its order of masks went.

“Are they stockpiling this stuff? Are they distributing it? We don’t know,” one official said. “And are we going to ever get any of it back if we need supplies? It would be nice to know these things.”

PeaceHealth, a 10-hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently. “It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Richard DeCarlo, the system’s chief operating officer.

“We had put wheels in motion with testing and protective equipment to allow us to secure and protect our staff and our patients,” he said. “When testing went off the table, we had to come up with a whole new plan.”

Although PeaceHealth doesn’t have hospitals in the Seattle area, where the first domestic coronavirus outbreak occurred, the system has had a steady stream of potentially infected patients who require testing and care by doctors and nurse in full protective equipment.

Trump and other White House officials, including his close advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have insisted that the federal government is using a data-driven approach (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-03/trump-admin-tries-to-narrow-stockpiles-role-for-states) to procure supplies and direct them where they are most needed.

In response to questions from The Times, a FEMA representative said the agency, working with the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, has developed a system for identifying needed supplies from vendors and distributing them equitably.

The representative said the agency factors in the populations of states and major metropolitan areas and the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in various locales. “High-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested,” the representative said.

But the agency has refused to provide any details about how these determinations are made or why it is choosing to seize some supply orders and not others. Administration officials also will not say what supplies are going to what states.

Using the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law that allows the president to compel the production of vital equipment in a national emergency, Trump last month ordered General Motors to produce ventilators (https://www.latimes.com/california/liveblog/coronavirus-live-updates-thursday-april-2) to address shortfalls at hospitals.

The law also empowers federal agencies to place orders for critical materials and to see that those get priority over orders from private companies or state and local governments.

Experts say judicious use of this authority could help bring order to the medical supply market by routing critical material — ventilators, masks and other protective gear — from suppliers to the federal government and then to areas of greatest need, such as New York.

Yet there is little indication that federal officials are controlling the market, as hospitals, doctors and others report paying exorbitant prices or resorting to unorthodox maneuvers to get what they need.

Hospital and health officials describe an opaque process in which federal officials sweep in without warning to expropriate supplies.

Jose Camacho, who heads the Texas Assn. of Community Health Centers, said his group was trying to purchase a small order of just 20,000 masks when his supplier reported that the order had been taken.

Camacho was flabbergasted. Several of his member clinics — which as primary care centers are supposed to alleviate pressure on overburdened hospitals — are struggling to stay open amid woeful shortages of protective equipment.

“Everyone says you are supposed to be on your own,” Camacho said, noting Trump’s repeated admonition that states and local health systems cannot rely on Washington for supplies. “Then to have this happen, you just sit there wondering what else you can do. You can’t fight the federal government.”

[vizon]

A good friend of mine works at a YMCA in Connecticut and the feds just came in and took their most recent package shipment that had PPE inside. No questions, just taken without a word.

[Billy]

ABC7 Breaking news.
Dr. Carrillo says Chloroquine + Zinc is a Covid-19 Cure.

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The YouTube text:


ABC 7 news interview with Doctor Anthony Cardillo where he reveals since stage 1 testing, this second stage testing with CHLOROQUINE AND ZINC with very sick patients clears up the virus in as little as 8 hours! This news should be on every TV world wide setting other doctors up to do the same tests TO VERIFY REALITY IT WORKS.

There is another magical positive response if the antibiotic AZITHROMYCIN is included. This and the awareness by the public how important it is preparing oneself with continual daily VITAMIN C is the way forward instead of waiting for very risky vaccines that will already be out of date next year as the virus mutates.

[Bill Ryan]

From https://news.trust.org/item/20200406112112-6jive

I wrote to the mods privately, on 14 March: "We're going to see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela."

~~~

Venezuela elderly feel 'sentenced to euthanasia' under coronavirus quarantine

6 April, 2020

Venezuelan retirees Carlos Blanco, 81, and Olga Rodriguez, 78, have for more than a year been unable to purchase the diabetes medication they need, as the country's hyperinflation has left their monthly pensions insufficient to buy even a loaf of bread.

Already at high risk in the coronavirus pandemic because of their age, the couple's untreated Type 2 diabetes leaves them at greater risk of any type of infection, as well as complications including blurred vision or diabetic comas.

They are now confined to their home, living off the food they have in storage, after President Nicolas Maduro declared a quarantine.

Blanco says he feels like they've been left to die.

"Senior citizens have been sentenced to euthanasia," said Blanco, who lives on the fourth floor of a building in the Coche neighborhood of western Caracas.

The coronavirus outbreak has sparked concern around the world for the elderly, who are much more vulnerable to the COVID-19 respiratory disease caused by the virus. But the plight of senior citizens was already acute in Venezuela following six years of brutal economic crisis and chronic problems with power and water services.

Blanco and Rodriguez, like 3 million other Venezuelan retirees, struggle to live on state pensions of 250,000 bolivars a month - the equivalent of about $3 - which can at best buy a few pounds of chicken or several kilos of corn flour.

In a survey published in November by non-profit groups Convite and HelpAge, 77% of Venezuelans over 55 said they did not have access to enough food and one in ten said they go to bed hungry.

The elderly "have faced a progressive decline in their living conditions: malnutrition, inability to pay for their medicine, lack of access to health, migration of their children and relatives," said Luis Cabezas, director of Convite, which focuses on human rights.

The group estimates that at least 900,000 senior citizens are living by themselves following a migration exodus of nearly 5 million Venezuelans who have fled the economic crisis since 2015.

The information ministry did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

Venezuela as of Sunday had officially reported 159 cases of coronavirus and seven deaths.

Blanco said that he and Rodriguez for breakfast have black coffee and an arepa - Venezuela's typical grilled corn pancake - and then a bowl of rice and lentils in the late afternoon.

They receive financial help from one of their five children, but it is not enough for them to eat three times a day.

Others are facing even worse circumstances.

Andrea Guerrero, 80, lives alone in a small room that she rents for 50,000 bolivars per month, the equivalent of $0.06, in the La Cruz neighborhood of in Chacao, a district of Caracas.

She used to make ends meet by washing dishes in restaurants. But now with the restaurants closed, she depends on help from neighbors and donations of food by the Chacao municipal government.

"So, are we all going to die?," she asked.

[Bill Ryan]

Rosemarie (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?34445-Rosemarie), who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

[Icare]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, if not, feel free to move wherever it fits better.

Here's a little story that shows there are a lot of good people around, more than some of us may imagine:

1247948053434249217
https://twitter.com/boredpanda/status/1247948053434249217

If you click on that tweet you get to see all the pictures showing the "Outdoor Pantry" grow.

[Icare]

So my post above hasn't been removed yet. Okay then, here's another one showing how many good people there are.
1245360769975418882
https://twitter.com/boredpanda/status/1245360769975418882


Same as above, when you click on the actual tweet you can scroll down and see 35 heart-warming and touching examples of caring people.

[T Smith]

Tucker Carlson 9 april ,a 7 minute summary of the latest numbers in the states,and more hopefull looking prognoses in contrast with non stop doom scenarios of all the mainstream outlets.


-HQakEfWC14



I'm not sure if this is the correct thread for the following observation, but in response to 7:30 mark of the video posted herein:

“…They are launching partisan political attacks and pretending it’s medical advice. That’s always wrong. But right now, in the middle of a crisis, that’s reckless and immoral…” (emphasis my own)

I couldn’t agree more.

Inflating deaths due to COVID-19 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf) and suppressing (in some cases banning (https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/27/michigan-gov.-warns-doctors-pharmacists-who-prescribe-or-dispense-hydroxychloroquine-of-professional-consequences?bcid=361b34d40b476fc6d9b25dc6bafce887)) the hydroxychloroquine/zinc regiment is nothing short of a treasonous psychological operation. We are witnessing an act of terror against the people in real time, and those who have perpetrated and/or who are perpetuating these crimes against humanity deserve to face justice before a firing squad.

It is one thing to go after one's political enemies with lies and smears--that's just everyday politics. But it gets personal when the strategy to destroy one's political enemies also wages collateral damage against the population entire, leaving death and destruction in its wake, bankrupting millions of people, and destroying countless lives. That's just treasonous. It appears a large percentage of our leaders and the technocrats controlling them are waging just such a scorched-earth strategy to regain political power of the executive branch.

How can we expect to resolve or manage a genuine crisis with viable solutions if opportunists distort the truth or exacerbate the crisis to serve their political interests? It would seem much of this crisis has been created, as if by arsonists who feed flame with fuel. It's infuriating. Can one really blame those who throw up their hands and proclaim this is all a hoax? Much of it is. Yet that judgement could be a death sentence should it persuade some to underestimate the crisis, whatever that crisis may be.

If the adage is true that the victors of war write its history, we may never know....

[DaveToo]

From https://news.trust.org/item/20200406112112-6jive

I wrote to the mods privately, on 14 March: "We're going to see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela."


I agree that most likely we will see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela, not because of Covid-19 viral infections, but
rather because of the government "solutions" that are being put in place.

Here is a fresh graph showing how many Covid-19 cases and deaths have occurred in Venezuela to date as well as the trend that can be seen.

Series 2 = Cases
Series 1 = Deaths

https://i.postimg.cc/BtCC3HSy/Venezuela.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BtCC3HSy)


Venezuela Population = 29 Million
Cases = 167
Deaths = 8

[T Smith]

Rosemarie (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?34445-Rosemarie), who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?

[Delight]

I think this is a balanced source really trying to get a handle on the complexities here.

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[Bill Ryan]

Rosemarie (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?34445-Rosemarie), who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?Rosemarie said yes, they're using hydroxychloroquine (and also azithromycin).

She sent a second video. In this one, you can see the body bags.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cementery_2.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cementery_2.mp4

[shaberon]

In the race to the bottom, locally, we are around 3,500 cases, 370 hospitalized. Sweden is around 8,500 and about 680 in serious condition.

These charts will soon be less informative as greater numbers recover and leave the hospital. I would think they should make two charts, totals v. current.

So far I don't see much difference in the infection rate, other than our outbreak was about two weeks later than theirs.

Looks like it is bad in aircraft carriers, prisons, and nursing homes. Concentration in close quarters is obviously bad, but, "staying at home" does not seem to be a big improvement over normal distance and cleansing so far.

Where are you shaberon?
I ask because your member flag shows the U.S.
Or by 'locally' did you mean just in your town or city?
I took it to mean your country.


I am talking about North Carolina; here and Sweden are a little over 10 million population. We both seem to be getting 1,000 more in only a few days.

But what is really impressive is New York. Certainly there are places in Korea, Japan, etc., that are densely populated, but nothing seems to compare. I suppose what it comes down to is "serious cases", aside from whatever the disease really is, there seem to be widely varying degrees of severity in terms of how many need hospitalization.

[Delight]

This is the first I have heard from Bruce Lipton. Very curious about what he will say.

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[Gemma13]

In Chris Martenson's video of last night US time, here...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEubPR36pzk
...he cites a 7 April Los Angeles Times article stating that US Federal authorities have been seizing equipment from local areas with no explanation, and the equipment has completely disappeared.

Chris Martenson observes:

http://projectavalon.net/2_possibilities_(Chris_Martenson_8_April_2020).gif

Here's the article. It may be very important. As Chris Martenson states, it's weird (at least!), and may be an indicator of something very unpleasant and even criminal going on. A PDF is archived here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Hospitals_say_Feds_are_seizing_masks_and_other_cor onavirus_supplies_without_a_word_(LA_Times_7_April _2020).pdf).

If this disappears, or there's no follow-up, it means the LA times reporters are being silenced.


https://latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

7 April, 2020

Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.

Officials who’ve had materials seized also say they’ve received no guidance from the government about how or if they will get access to the supplies they ordered. That has stoked concerns about how public funds are being spent and whether the Trump administration is fairly distributing scarce medical supplies.

“In order to have confidence in the distribution system, to know that it is being done in an equitable manner, you have to have transparency,” said Dr. John Hick, an emergency physician at Hennepin Healthcare in Minnesota who has helped develop national emergency preparedness standards through the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

The medical leaders on the front lines (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-07/coronavirus-respiratory-therapists-ventilators-shortage) of the fight to control the coronavirus and keep patients alive say they are grasping for explanations. “We can’t get any answers,” said a California hospital official who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation from the White House.

In Florida, a large medical system saw an order for thermometers taken away. And officials at a system in Massachusetts were unable to determine where its order of masks went.

“Are they stockpiling this stuff? Are they distributing it? We don’t know,” one official said. “And are we going to ever get any of it back if we need supplies? It would be nice to know these things.”

PeaceHealth, a 10-hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently. “It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Richard DeCarlo, the system’s chief operating officer.

“We had put wheels in motion with testing and protective equipment to allow us to secure and protect our staff and our patients,” he said. “When testing went off the table, we had to come up with a whole new plan.”

Although PeaceHealth doesn’t have hospitals in the Seattle area, where the first domestic coronavirus outbreak occurred, the system has had a steady stream of potentially infected patients who require testing and care by doctors and nurse in full protective equipment.

Trump and other White House officials, including his close advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have insisted that the federal government is using a data-driven approach (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-03/trump-admin-tries-to-narrow-stockpiles-role-for-states) to procure supplies and direct them where they are most needed.

In response to questions from The Times, a FEMA representative said the agency, working with the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, has developed a system for identifying needed supplies from vendors and distributing them equitably.

The representative said the agency factors in the populations of states and major metropolitan areas and the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in various locales. “High-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested,” the representative said.

But the agency has refused to provide any details about how these determinations are made or why it is choosing to seize some supply orders and not others. Administration officials also will not say what supplies are going to what states.

Using the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law that allows the president to compel the production of vital equipment in a national emergency, Trump last month ordered General Motors to produce ventilators (https://www.latimes.com/california/liveblog/coronavirus-live-updates-thursday-april-2) to address shortfalls at hospitals.

The law also empowers federal agencies to place orders for critical materials and to see that those get priority over orders from private companies or state and local governments.

Experts say judicious use of this authority could help bring order to the medical supply market by routing critical material — ventilators, masks and other protective gear — from suppliers to the federal government and then to areas of greatest need, such as New York.

Yet there is little indication that federal officials are controlling the market, as hospitals, doctors and others report paying exorbitant prices or resorting to unorthodox maneuvers to get what they need.

Hospital and health officials describe an opaque process in which federal officials sweep in without warning to expropriate supplies.

Jose Camacho, who heads the Texas Assn. of Community Health Centers, said his group was trying to purchase a small order of just 20,000 masks when his supplier reported that the order had been taken.

Camacho was flabbergasted. Several of his member clinics — which as primary care centers are supposed to alleviate pressure on overburdened hospitals — are struggling to stay open amid woeful shortages of protective equipment.

“Everyone says you are supposed to be on your own,” Camacho said, noting Trump’s repeated admonition that states and local health systems cannot rely on Washington for supplies. “Then to have this happen, you just sit there wondering what else you can do. You can’t fight the federal government.”

THIRD POSSIBILITY

If the "data driven approach" is a cover story then why? And importantly, why some areas and not others?

What do the Feds know that the public doesn't and are they using the cover story to prevent another panic/fear response?

Could they have intel about "imported", or not, products being contaminated - deliberately - with Covid or something else?

[Gemma13]

Rosemarie (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?34445-Rosemarie), who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cemetery.mp4

This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?Rosemarie said yes, they're using hydroxychloroquine (and also azithromycin).

She sent a second video. In this one, you can see the body bags.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cementery_2.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Guayaquil_cementery_2.mp4

Strange. Where are the workers? Is it lunch break?

Are they not concerned that dogs or birds could rummage through and take parts of cadavers to other areas?

[greybeard]

One in four Britons 'think the coronavirus was probably created in a lab'
Yahoo Style UK Alexandra Thompson,Yahoo Style UK



https://uk.yahoo.com/style/coronavirus-covid19-lab-engineered-conspiracy-theory-170047261.html

One in four Britons think the coronavirus was “probably created in a lab”, research suggests.

Scientists from King’s College London asked more than 2,000 people what they believed to be true about the somewhat mysterious strain.

A quarter (25%) of those surveyed thought the coronavirus is probably man-made, a conspiracy theory circulating the internet.

Early research suggests the infection is mild in four out of five cases, however, it can trigger a respiratory disease called COVID-19.

Coronavirus: ‘Many believe false claims’ about where it came from

The King’s scientists surveyed 2,250 people aged between 18 and 75.

Of the participants who thought the coronavirus was “probably created in a lab”, 12% admitted to meeting up with friends during the UK’s lockdown.

This is more than double the 5% of participants who socialised with loved ones, but were convinced of the strain’s natural origin.


Boris Johnson has enforced draconian measures that only allow Britons to leave their home for “very limited purposes”, like exercising or shopping for essentials.

The prime minister, who is in intensive care with coronavirus complications, has repeatedly stressed people are not to socialise with those outside of their home.

Nearly a quarter (24%) of the King’s participants who believed the coronavirus was probably manufactured thought too much of a fuss is being made about the pandemic.

This is compared to one in 10 (10%) of those who believed the strain is natural.

Emerging at the end of last year, only the relatively small number of people worldwide who have encountered the virus are thought to have immunity against it.

The race is on to develop a vaccine that will enable herd immunity, allowing the public to safely go back to their normal routine.

The survey participants who thought a jab will be available within three months were nearly four times as likely to have met up with friends during the lockdown than those of the opinion a vaccine will take longer.

Numerous pharmaceutical companies around the world are working to develop a jab, however, scientists have been upfront one will not be ready for this outbreak.

A vaccine may become available, however, if the infection turns out to be seasonal.

“People have generally got the message about how serious the threat from the virus is and the importance of the measures being required of them,” said study author Professor Bobby Duffy.

“But at a time when the government is warning it may bring in more severe restrictions if enough people don’t follow the rules, this research shows there is a significant minority who are unclear on what some of them are, as well as many who still misjudge the scale of the threat from coronavirus or believe false claims about it.

“And this matters – how we see current realities and the future is often related to how we strictly we follow the guidelines and our attitudes to the lockdown measures”.

Coronavirus: Evidence it is not man-made

The coronavirus is thought to have emerged at a seafood and live animal market in the Chinese city Wuhan, capital of Hubei province, at the end of 2019.

The market is said to have sold a range of dead and alive animals, including bats, donkeys, poultry and hedgehogs.

Most of those who initially became unwell at the start of the outbreak worked at, or visited, the Wuhan market.

This has led scientists to believe the new coronavirus “jumped” from an animal into a human while the two were in close contact.

The coronavirus is one of seven strains of a class of viruses that are known to infect humans.

Another strain is severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which killed 774 people during its 2002/3 outbreak.

Sars is thought to have started in bats and jumped into humans via masked palm civets.

Research suggests the new coronavirus shares more than 96% of its DNA with a strain detected in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans via pangolins.

Despite the evidence, conspiracy theories have arisen suggesting the strain could have been engineered.

To debunk this, scientists from Scripps Research in San Diego analysed the DNA of the virus and others like it.

They specifically looked at proteins on the surface of the viruses that allow them to enter human cells.

Results suggested the coronavirus evolved to target a receptor on human cells called ACE2.

This targeting is so effective, the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

The coronavirus’ genetic “backbone” is also distinct from other pathogens. The scientists argued if one were to manufacture a disease, they would work off a backbone that is known to cause ill health.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that [the new strain] originated through natural processes,” said study author Dr Kristian Andersen.

What is the coronavirus?

Since the coronavirus outbreak was identified, more than 1.5 million cases have been confirmed worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Of these cases, over 339,700 are known to have “recovered”.

Globally, the death toll has exceeded 89,900.

The coronavirus mainly spreads face-to-face via infected droplets expelled in a cough and sneeze.

There is also evidence it may be transmitted in faeces and can survive on surfaces.

Although most cases are mild, pneumonia can come about if the coronavirus spreads to the air sacs in the lungs.

This causes them to become inflamed and filled with fluid or pus.

The lungs then struggle to draw in air, resulting in reduced oxygen in the bloodstream and a build-up of carbon dioxide.

The coronavirus has no “set” treatment, with most patients naturally fighting off the infection.

Those requiring hospitalisation are given “supportive care”, like ventilation, while their immune system gets to work.

Officials urge people ward off the coronavirus by washing their hands regularly and maintaining social distancing.

[greybeard]

Why may the coronavirus become a seasonal infection?

On Saturday, Boris Johnson told the UK’s 1.5 million vulnerable residents – including severe asthmatics and blood-cancer patients – to self-isolate entirely for the next three months.

Even healthy Britons have been told to avoid social contact, ditch non-essential travel and work from home, if they can.

Although the vast majority of deaths worldwide are occurring among the elderly and already ill, breaking the “chain of transmission” is hoped to reduce fatalities and ease pressure on a strained NHS.

The government’s approach was largely based on a model put together by Imperial College London scientists.

The team concluded “suppressing” the outbreak, “reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely”, would likely be more effective than “mitigating” it.

Mitigation focuses on “slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread” by protecting the vulnerable.

While reducing virus exposure will inevitably cause case numbers and deaths to decline, some have argued it fails to allow the public to build up herd immunity.

The outbreak may therefore return as powerful as ever once these extreme measures are lifted or if the infection becomes seasonal.

There seems to be a valid scientific point of view in these two posts.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-live-news-global-deaths-near-95000-as-boris-johnson-leaves-intensive-care?page=with:block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39#block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39

~~~

As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.

http://projectavalon.net/San_Antonio_food_bank.jpg
People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP

[norman]

Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-live-news-global-deaths-near-95000-as-boris-johnson-leaves-intensive-care?page=with:block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39#block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39

~~~

As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.

http://projectavalon.net/San_Antonio_food_bank.jpg
People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP

I'm going to say it and own it.

I don't believe the Guardian. Look at that picture carefully. Those cars are far too neatly packed close together to be a random cue.

[greybeard]

Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-live-news-global-deaths-near-95000-as-boris-johnson-leaves-intensive-care?page=with:block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39#block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39

~~~

As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.

http://projectavalon.net/San_Antonio_food_bank.jpg
People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP

Most of the job losses will be permanent Bill, which is why I keep banging on about the long term consequences of shutdown.
People do not have a financial safety net -- no disposable income -- the wages totally committed to mortgage, credit card repayment, etc. One moment a reasonable income -- next none.
Best wishes
Chris

[Zionbrion]

I know this isn’t quite Covid related, but this image sums up the ponzi scheme that Wall Street is.
https://twitter.com/jockey_desk/status/1248443354901131268?s=21

[Delight]

This is interesting to me concerning the worsening of conditions as far as speech, status of foreigners in China.

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[thepainterdoug]

Was just sent this. Needs consideration:

http://projectavalon.net/The_China_Con.mp4

http://projectavalon.net/The_China_Con.mp4

[thepha3drus]

Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-live-news-global-deaths-near-95000-as-boris-johnson-leaves-intensive-care?page=with:block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39#block-5e8fd2938f082dfd549d3e39

~~~

As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.

http://projectavalon.net/San_Antonio_food_bank.jpg
People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP

Here's a video on the subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fydbsp/10000_families_came_to_the_san_antonio_food_bank/

I also found a comment from someone who lives in the area. It's good to be skeptical of the Guardian just like any other news outlet, but you can always look at multiple sources to learn more
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/fyjtpp/we_just_cant_feed_this_many_vehicles_start_lining/

This is what the San Antonio Food Bank said on their Twitter feed:

" 5,200 households pre-registered for today’s food distribution at Traders Village. Our staff and volunteers were scheduled to serve until 2pm. But the need was so great, that everyone stayed until the last car came at 5pm. That car marked over 10,000 households served in one day. "
https://www.reddit.com/r/sanantonio/comments/fyg3rw/six_thousand_families_line_up_in_their_cars_at_a/

[thepha3drus]

Was just sent this. Needs consideration:

http://projectavalon.net/The_China_Con.mp4

http://projectavalon.net/The_China_Con.mp4

This will most probably help China. However, having lived in India for a considerable part of my life, some of the news sensationalism would put even CNN and Fox News to shame.

[thepha3drus]

I know this isn’t quite Covid related, but this image sums up the ponzi scheme that Wall Street is.
https://twitter.com/jockey_desk/status/1248443354901131268?s=21


https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bill-ackman-considered-liquidating-entire-portfolio-amid-coronavirus-2020-4-1029071703

Someone managed to turn $3 million into $2.7 billion in one of the worst stock market drops in US history. Later he put all that money betting that the market will rebound from the last bottom.

Probably a coincidence :)

[onawah]

Attorney General William Barr ‘very concerned’ about ‘personal liberty’ after Gates proposes digital vaccine certificates
'Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it,' Bill Gates said.
Thu Apr 9, 2020 - 11:06 am EST
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ag-barr-very-concerned-about-personal-liberty-after-gates-proposes-digital-vaccine-certificates?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=e28a6543f9-Daily%2520Headlines%2520-%2520World_COPY_730&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-e28a6543f9-402352621

https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/made/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/WilliamBarrFedSoc_810_500_75_s_c1.jpg
By Martin Bürger

WASHINGTON, D.C., April 9, 2020 (LifeSiteNews)
"Following Bill Gates’ proposal for “digital certificates” proving a person has been vaccinated against the coronavirus, Attorney General William Barr said he was “very concerned about the slippery slope in terms of continuing encroachments on personal liberty.”

“Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it,” the Microsoft founder had speculated.

Barr added he was concerned about “the tracking of people and so forth, generally, especially going forward over a long period of time.” However, “appropriate, reasonable steps are fine,” he said.

Reuters said that Bill Gates did not suggest launching “human-implantable capsules that have ‘digital certificates’ which can show who has been tested for the coronavirus and who has been vaccinated against it.”

“Gates did mention the possibility of having a ‘digital certificate’ for health records ‘eventually,’ but he did not say these certificates would be ‘microchip implants,’” Reuters reported.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation stated, “The reference to ‘digital certificates’ relates to efforts to create an open source digital platform with the goal of expanding access to safe, home-based testing.”However, as outlined in a December 2019 Scientific American article, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation funded Massachusetts Institute of Technology research that suggested embedding vaccine records “directly into the skin” of children: “Along with the vaccine, a child would be injected with a bit of dye that is invisible to the naked eye but easily seen with a special cell-phone filter, combined with an app that shines near-infrared light onto the skin. The dye would be expected to last up to five years, according to tests on pig and rat skin and human skin in a dish.”

Through his foundation, Gates has invested billions of dollars in vaccines.

During a recent CBS interview, he said life after COVID-19 will not be the same “for some time,” or at least until the population is “widely vaccinated.” He predicted that people’s fear of large public gatherings would be closer to normal “once we have the vaccination,” possibly within 18 months.

“Our foundation works a lot on diagnostics and vaccines,” said Gates. Vaccine producers are the ones “that can really get things back on track where we’re not worried about large public gatherings,” he claimed.

According to Gates, “there’s a lot of dialogue between our foundation experts and the government,” about opening up life to normal activities after the pandemic is under control.

“Which activities, like schools, have such benefit and can be done in a way that the risk of transmission is very low? And which activities, like mass gatherings, may be – in a certain sense – more optional? And so until you’re widely vaccinated, those may not come back at all.”

Gates, an abortion supporter and population control advocate, has in the past spoken about what he sees as the role vaccines have in reducing the world’s population.

“Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that [the population] by perhaps 10 or 15 percent,” he said in a 2010 TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) conference.

Gates said during the CBS interview there are currently “seven or more” potential vaccines that look promising to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. In order to have billions of doses of the vaccine ready to go as soon as possible, Gates proposed to build factories mass-producing each of the potential vaccines while testing is being done.

In the end, “only probably two of the vaccines will be the ones we go ahead with,” he admitted, pointing to the enormous risks involved in making his plan a reality.

Some parents worry that whatever coronavirus vaccination is developed will become mandatory, overriding any objections based on parental rights, health reasons, or religious concerns. Many vaccines are made using cells from aborted babies, and at least two coronavirus vaccines under development are using them as well. "

[Patient]

When you have seen the negative effects of vaccines first hand, it is easier to see through their deceptive plans.

People just need to research vaccines for themselves - then they will see.

[greybeard]

Intensive care doctors question 'overly aggressive' use of ventilators in coronavirus crisis
The Telegraph Paul Nuki,The Telegraph Thu, 9 Apr

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/intensive-care-doctors-overly-aggressive-122722769.html

British and American intensive care doctors at the front line of the coronavirus crisis are starting to question the aggressive use of ventilators for the treatment of patients.

In many cases, they say the machines – which are highly invasive and require the patient to be rendered unconscious – are being used too early and may cause more harm than good. Instead they are finding that less invasive forms of oxygen treatment through face masks or nasal cannulas work better for patients, even those with very low blood oxygen readings.

Dr Ron Daniels, a consultant in critical care at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust, on Thursday confirmed reports from US medics that he and other NHS doctors were revising their view of when ventilators should be used.

At the heart of the issue was the "bizarre" and "frankly baffling" phenomenon of Covid-19 patients presenting with catastrophically low blood oxygen levels but few other ill effects.

"We've had patients with oxygen measures of just five kilopascals [70-75 per cent of normal] who are talking to us normally and have no obvious air hunger [gasping for breath]”, said Dr Daniels. "Normally anyone with numbers like that would be ventilated, but increasingly with Covid patients we are considering holding back.

"The question everyone is asking is, do we treat symptoms or do we treat the numbers? It's a good question and one that I think doctors everywhere are now grappling with."
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The initial recommendations from doctors in China and Italy were to ventilate Covid patients early and aggressively, with the so-called "PEEP" pressure on the machines turned up high so their lungs did not contract when they exhaled.

"The initial message was treat as if you were treating for acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) with a high PEEP," said Dr Daniels. "But now we are becoming braver. We are tolerating much lower blood oxygen levels and using lower pressures. We are learning as we go along."

The alternative to mechanical ventilation is oxygen treatment delivered via a mask or a nasal cannula or via a non-invasive high flow device. This is the sort of treatment Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, is said to have received in an intensive care unit at St Thomas' Hospital in London. His blood oxygen levels are not known.

Increasingly, doctors in the UK, America and Europe are using these less invasive measures and holding back on the use of mechanical ventilation for as long as possible.

"Increasingly, we are making the decision to focus on symptoms rather than numbers – predicting the point of fatigue where the patient is struggling to breathe independently," said Dr Daniels.
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Doctors in Italy and Germany wrote to the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine last week making a similar point. They urged other doctors to be "patient" with Covid sufferers, arguing for "gentle ventilation" wherever possible.

Invasive ventilation is never a good option for any patient if it can be avoided. It can result in muscle wastage around the lungs and makes secondary infections more likely. It also requires a cocktail of drugs which themselves can prove toxic and lead to organ failure.

It is not known why Covid-19 allows some patients to tolerate such low blood oxygen readings without air hunger or obvious confusion. One clue may be that patients are still able to exhale carbon dioxide – a toxin – through their lungs even if they are having difficulty absorbing oxygen.

"The patients in front of me are unlike any I’ve ever seen," one American doctor working in a Brooklyn hospital told the specialist health publication STAT this week. "They looked a lot more like they had altitude sickness than pneumonia."

Dr Daniels agreed that there were similarities with altitude sickness, itself a potentially fatal condition. "We've seen a lot of headache and dizziness," he said.

While doctors are not using mechanical ventilation as aggressively now as they were at the start of the crisis, the machines remain a last resort for many Covid patients. Survival rates are not as good as for those with other forms of viral pneumonia, but ventilators are nevertheless still saving many lives.

Intensive care units are also much more than just a ventilator. Even where patients, like the Prime Minister, are receiving more gentle forms of oxygen treatment, their vital signs need to be watched extremely carefully.

"It's about having highly skilled staff to care for the patients and a whole plethora of ancillary equipment and medications beyond the ventilator itself," said Dr Daniels.

[onawah]

Robert F Kennedy Jr. Exposes Bill Gates’ Vaccine Dictatorship Plan – cites Gates’ twisted ‘Messiah Complex’
From Robert F Kennedy Jr. IG account
4/9/20
https://www.fort-russ.com/amp/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-vaccine-dictatorship-plan-cites-gates-twisted-messiah-complex/?__twitter_impression=true
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"Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. is an American environmental attorney, author, and opponent of vaccination. Kennedy is a son of Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. He is the president of the board of Waterkeeper Alliance, a non-profit environmental group that he helped found in 1999.

From #RobertFKennedyJr‘s Instagram post today, April 9th, 2020:

#Vaccines, for #BillGates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including #Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vac ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control over global health policy—the spear tip of corporate neo-imperialism.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems fueled by a messianic conviction that he is ordained to save the world with technology and a god-like willingness to experiment with the lives of lesser humans.

Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines.

In 2014, the #GatesFoundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a trial of a GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,049 children.

During Gates 2002 MenAfriVac Campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Between 50-500 children developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for drug makers”

Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philantropic practices as “ruthless” and “immoral”.

In 2010, Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population”. In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phony “tetanus” vaccine campaign.

Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested.

After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.

Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgensen et.Al.2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP is killing more African than the disease it pretends to prevent. Vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of unvaccinated children.

Gates and the WHO refused to recall the lethal vaccine which WHO forces upon millions of African children annually.

Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of – hijacking WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases; clean water, hygiene, nutrition and economic development.

They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal fetish – that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and PATH, Gates funds private pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines, and a massive network of pharmaceutical industry front groups that broadcast deceptive propaganda, develop fraudulent studies, conduct surveillance and psychological operations against vaccine hesitancy and use Gates’ power and money to silence dissent and coerce compliance.
In this recent nonstop Pharmedia appearances, Gates appears gleeful that the Covid-19 crisis will give him the opportunity to force his third-world vaccine programs on American children."

Update: In the latest from Dark Journalist, he talks about RFK Jr. and his stance on Bill Gates, David Icke and the recent attacks on him, how CV-19 is just an excuse for taking away Constitution al rights and freedoms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqDeUPgMgU

[Bill Ryan]

A refreshing change (for some!). Here's Richard Dolan and his wife Tracey on an AMA ("Ask Me Anything") livestream, dated 24 March. That feels like about 100 years ago. :)

I've not listened to all of this yet — it's a full two and a half hours — but remember that Richard is our premier False Flag historian (probably the world's premier False Flag historian), and is no-one's fool.

He's measured, cautious, states with certainty that the virus is real (a family member of his was in ICU in a ventilator at the time of the recording), and strongly suspects it came from the (or 'a') biolab.

I feel ahead of him just a little inasmuch as I'm certain it's a bioweapon and that the crisis is all designed and amplified, but he makes excellent points as always and is always utterly well aware of what the Deep State is capable of. Enjoy. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbJoKEKMrg

[NewParadigmGuy]

A blogger named "libertymavenstock" published this a few days ago. I don't know anything about this person, or his/her credentials, but I found it most interesting.

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

Apr 5 · 8 min read

In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.
Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine

All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.

Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.

Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.

Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.

Fini.

Source:

https://archive.is/ONUmi

[thepainterdoug]

NEWPARADIGM GUY/ yes thanks, and remember, Boris Johnson was in critical, but only given oxygen .

[shaberon]

In looking for signs of something really repressive, there is a Philadelphia man (https://www.rt.com/usa/485549-philly-maks-coronavirus-public-transit/) removed from a bus by ten police for not wearing a mask. The exemplary video

"... shows an official informing transit riders that they are not allowed to be on board if they are not wearing masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

He says all of this while he himself is not wearing a mask."

The impression I get it that it spreads more on "stuff", and inhaling someone's infected sneeze is lesser. I am sure a mask will help around hospitals, etc., where the air probably is pretty bad. I wonder if there is a statistic for "I wore a mask and got sick anyway" in other settings.

I would think it still definitely is pneumonia, or, a symptom of fluid in the lungs is not healthy, even if the major problem really is in hemoglobin. I suppose it all plays into "multiple causes of death", if previously sick people are simply being finished by the new infection, and then it may be their diabetes or liver failure that "strikes the blow", and the blood poisoning is like a last option if nothing else took you out. Like mixing drugs, the complexities of interaction are barely known.

DHS (https://www.rt.com/usa/485550-dhs-model-200000-deaths/) is against lifting measures after a month.

With some of the other weirdness, you can now recover from the disease, and either still test positive (https://www.rt.com/news/485438-reactivation-reinfection-coronavirus-tests/), or, not have antibodies.

[NewParadigmGuy]

NEWPARADIGM GUY/ yes thanks, and remember, Boris Johnson was in critical, but only given oxygen .

Yes, it seems that ventilators actually do more harm than good for many of these patients. The information I posted above, taken together with Chris Martinson's recent video (below) on what HE is taking to help prevent or possibly treat COVID-19 (if necessary), can start to form the basis of a natural treatment protocol for dealing with this illness. This is what really needs to be done to prevent the dark overlords from forcing mandatory vaccines on all of us. We need to beat them to the punch!

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[Gracy]

The strikes are already catching like wildfire amongst the USA's most overlooked "essential workers". I'm expecting this to be just the tip of the (other) iceberg dead ahead, Jimmy Dore breaks it down plain and simple like in under 11 minutes:
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Related:


...The Fight For 15 said that the McDonald’s workers are expected to stay away from work until their demands for protective equipment on the job are met. It seems likely that the country will see a steady, rolling procession of fast food walkouts in coming weeks, part of a nationwide strike wave that has been gathering momentum over the past month. Grocery workers, warehouse workers, factory workers, construction workers, and others who are directly exposed to the danger of infection on the job have all walked out in protest, doubtful that their low wages make up for the risks they’re taking...
https://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/22440/mcdonalds-fast-food-workers-essential-strike-labor-coronavirus

[Gracy]

The strikes are already catching like wildfire amongst the USA's most overlooked "essential workers". I'm expecting this to be just the tip of the (other) iceberg dead ahead, Jimmy Dore breaks it down plain and simple like in under 11 minutes:
GKoXPOU5xHc

Related:


...The Fight For 15 said that the McDonald’s workers are expected to stay away from work until their demands for protective equipment on the job are met. It seems likely that the country will see a steady, rolling procession of fast food walkouts in coming weeks, part of a nationwide strike wave that has been gathering momentum over the past month. Grocery workers, warehouse workers, factory workers, construction workers, and others who are directly exposed to the danger of infection on the job have all walked out in protest, doubtful that their low wages make up for the risks they’re taking...
https://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/22440/mcdonalds-fast-food-workers-essential-strike-labor-coronavirus

[Patient]

In looking for signs of something really repressive, there is a Philadelphia man (https://www.rt.com/usa/485549-philly-maks-coronavirus-public-transit/) removed from a bus by ten police for not wearing a mask. The exemplary video

"... shows an official informing transit riders that they are not allowed to be on board if they are not wearing masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

He says all of this while he himself is not wearing a mask."

The impression I get it that it spreads more on "stuff", and inhaling someone's infected sneeze is lesser. I am sure a mask will help around hospitals, etc., where the air probably is pretty bad. I wonder if there is a statistic for "I wore a mask and got sick anyway" in other settings.

I would think it still definitely is pneumonia, or, a symptom of fluid in the lungs is not healthy, even if the major problem really is in hemoglobin. I suppose it all plays into "multiple causes of death", if previously sick people are simply being finished by the new infection, and then it may be their diabetes or liver failure that "strikes the blow", and the blood poisoning is like a last option if nothing else took you out. Like mixing drugs, the complexities of interaction are barely known.

DHS (https://www.rt.com/usa/485550-dhs-model-200000-deaths/) is against lifting measures after a month.

With some of the other weirdness, you can now recover from the disease, and either still test positive (https://www.rt.com/news/485438-reactivation-reinfection-coronavirus-tests/), or, not have antibodies.

How ridiculous does that guy now look - he will forever be the guy yelling rules about wearing a mask while not wearing a mask himself.

I have to wonder also about the fact that if someone is testing positive after having recovered - shows you can't trust a test.

[shaberon]

Concerning the business loans, although the numbers seemed like they might be bigger a few days ago, now they are capped (https://theweek.com/speedreads/908081/federal-program-promised-small-businesses-2-million-loans-now-maxing-15000) at 15k; and for instance someone who was approved for 25 is now looking at around 8.


Whatever it is they test for, is also present in sewage (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241908771.html), which has long been studied with relation to disease, and:

There were about 450 confirmed coronavirus cases in the area of the treatment facility, but researchers estimated that the number of people actually infected with coronavirus is between 2,300 and 115,000, Newsweek reported.

I am not sure a single facility can even process for 115,000 people, but ok. I am also not sure it is out of line to say 25% or more of the total population already has the infection, like five times as many as had any symptoms.

As far as a cover-up for financial collapse, beginning with this view:


Some conspiracy-type people say the world is messed up because we’re ruled by illuminati or reptilians, but I’m way more out there than that: I say our entire society is made of imaginary thought stories with little relation to objective reality, and some clever manipulators have figured out how to exploit this.

there is a little more explanation of what that means, followed by a review of a Pentagon White Paper (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55045.htm) which is about forming strategies to protect dollar hegemony. But then the "other side"--what Russia is actually doing--already seems to say that it is finished.

In other words, if one assumed the dollar was supreme, that did not resemble objectivity, which is now simply being proven.

The disease and the politicians of the time can always be blamed, even though it is probably more accurate to say the system was unsustainable to begin with, and already dismantled by prior maneuvers.

[happyuk]

Intensive care doctors question 'overly aggressive' use of ventilators in coronavirus crisis
The Telegraph Paul Nuki,The Telegraph Thu, 9 Apr

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/intensive-care-doctors-overly-aggressive-122722769.html

British and American intensive care doctors at the front line of the coronavirus crisis are starting to question the aggressive use of ventilators for the treatment of patients.

In many cases, they say the machines – which are highly invasive and require the patient to be rendered unconscious – are being used too early and may cause more harm than good. Instead they are finding that less invasive forms of oxygen treatment through face masks or nasal cannulas work better for patients, even those with very low blood oxygen readings.

Dr Ron Daniels, a consultant in critical care at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust, on Thursday confirmed reports from US medics that he and other NHS doctors were revising their view of when ventilators should be used.

At the heart of the issue was the "bizarre" and "frankly baffling" phenomenon of Covid-19 patients presenting with catastrophically low blood oxygen levels but few other ill effects.

"We've had patients with oxygen measures of just five kilopascals [70-75 per cent of normal] who are talking to us normally and have no obvious air hunger [gasping for breath]”, said Dr Daniels. "Normally anyone with numbers like that would be ventilated, but increasingly with Covid patients we are considering holding back.

"The question everyone is asking is, do we treat symptoms or do we treat the numbers? It's a good question and one that I think doctors everywhere are now grappling with."
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The initial recommendations from doctors in China and Italy were to ventilate Covid patients early and aggressively, with the so-called "PEEP" pressure on the machines turned up high so their lungs did not contract when they exhaled.

"The initial message was treat as if you were treating for acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) with a high PEEP," said Dr Daniels. "But now we are becoming braver. We are tolerating much lower blood oxygen levels and using lower pressures. We are learning as we go along."

The alternative to mechanical ventilation is oxygen treatment delivered via a mask or a nasal cannula or via a non-invasive high flow device. This is the sort of treatment Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, is said to have received in an intensive care unit at St Thomas' Hospital in London. His blood oxygen levels are not known.

Increasingly, doctors in the UK, America and Europe are using these less invasive measures and holding back on the use of mechanical ventilation for as long as possible.

"Increasingly, we are making the decision to focus on symptoms rather than numbers – predicting the point of fatigue where the patient is struggling to breathe independently," said Dr Daniels.
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Doctors in Italy and Germany wrote to the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine last week making a similar point. They urged other doctors to be "patient" with Covid sufferers, arguing for "gentle ventilation" wherever possible.

Invasive ventilation is never a good option for any patient if it can be avoided. It can result in muscle wastage around the lungs and makes secondary infections more likely. It also requires a cocktail of drugs which themselves can prove toxic and lead to organ failure.

It is not known why Covid-19 allows some patients to tolerate such low blood oxygen readings without air hunger or obvious confusion. One clue may be that patients are still able to exhale carbon dioxide – a toxin – through their lungs even if they are having difficulty absorbing oxygen.

"The patients in front of me are unlike any I’ve ever seen," one American doctor working in a Brooklyn hospital told the specialist health publication STAT this week. "They looked a lot more like they had altitude sickness than pneumonia."

Dr Daniels agreed that there were similarities with altitude sickness, itself a potentially fatal condition. "We've seen a lot of headache and dizziness," he said.

While doctors are not using mechanical ventilation as aggressively now as they were at the start of the crisis, the machines remain a last resort for many Covid patients. Survival rates are not as good as for those with other forms of viral pneumonia, but ventilators are nevertheless still saving many lives.

Intensive care units are also much more than just a ventilator. Even where patients, like the Prime Minister, are receiving more gentle forms of oxygen treatment, their vital signs need to be watched extremely carefully.

"It's about having highly skilled staff to care for the patients and a whole plethora of ancillary equipment and medications beyond the ventilator itself," said Dr Daniels.

Very informative, thank you.

[greybeard]

I think and hope that the medical profession is beginning to see better ways of handling this virus which is unlikely to be man made according to some testing on the virus -- cant remember the specific results of the tests but it has been posted.
Chris

Here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349791&viewfull=1#post1349791

Coronavirus: Evidence it is not man-made

The coronavirus is thought to have emerged at a seafood and live animal market in the Chinese city Wuhan, capital of Hubei province, at the end of 2019.

The market is said to have sold a range of dead and alive animals, including bats, donkeys, poultry and hedgehogs.

Most of those who initially became unwell at the start of the outbreak worked at, or visited, the Wuhan market.

This has led scientists to believe the new coronavirus “jumped” from an animal into a human while the two were in close contact.

The coronavirus is one of seven strains of a class of viruses that are known to infect humans.

Another strain is severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which killed 774 people during its 2002/3 outbreak.

Sars is thought to have started in bats and jumped into humans via masked palm civets.

Research suggests the new coronavirus shares more than 96% of its DNA with a strain detected in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans via pangolins.

Despite the evidence, conspiracy theories have arisen suggesting the strain could have been engineered.

To debunk this, scientists from Scripps Research in San Diego analysed the DNA of the virus and others like it.

They specifically looked at proteins on the surface of the viruses that allow them to enter human cells.

Results suggested the coronavirus evolved to target a receptor on human cells called ACE2.

This targeting is so effective, the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

The coronavirus’ genetic “backbone” is also distinct from other pathogens. The scientists argued if one were to manufacture a disease, they would work off a backbone that is known to cause ill health.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that [the new strain] originated through natural processes,” said study author Dr Kristian Andersen.

[mgray]

Covid-19 death modeling worked despite missing the mark by a mile. My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/04/11/covid-19-death-modeling-worked-despite-missing-the-mark/)

[shaberon]

Here came some easy milestones, comparing NC to Sweden, today we just reached 4,000 and they are at 10,000. Around March 9 they only had two hundredish, and so, they could be said to have a speed of 10,000 per month, with over 800 deaths, and we only have 84. If we are at the same speed, there would be 10,000 in about ten days.

However the cases from Sweden are heavily slanted (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485522-sweden-coronavirus-worst-death-count/), first towards the elderly, "40 percent of all victims were infected in homes housing them. And while no testing has been provided to the personnel taking care of these elderly, the virus has reached one third of Stockholm nursing homes. The vast majority of Covid-19 deaths in Sweden corresponds to people aged over 70."

Secondly towards immigrant neighborhoods; the average rate in a "good" neighborhood is 9 per 10,000, and there it is 48.

"On March 16, an independent organization of Somali physicians revealed that at least six out of 15 fatalities that occurred in Stockholm were of Somali origin."

At least three local nursing homes around here are considered major outbreaks.

If we observe that we gave the most vulnerable people most of it the fastest, further reactions seem like a bit of a posture. Saying 1/3 of nursing homes is the next thing to saying 1/3 of the total population, they have so many employees, no one is more than one or two degrees of separation from there. Since the sewage test also suggests that known cases are probably short by two to four degrees of magnitude, it may well be that widespread, to a great deal of natural immunity.

[greybeard]

Death rate of intensive care coronavirus patients hits 51% as UK fatalities see record increase of 980
Evening Standard Rebecca Speare-Cole,Evening Standard 1


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/death-rate-intensive-care-coronavirus-204700713.html

The death rate of patients admitted to intensive care with coronavirus now stands at more than 51 per cent, according to a study of critical care outcomes.

The figure comes from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) and is based on a sample of 3,883 coronavirus patients.

It comes as the UK saw its deadliest day in the outbreak so far with a record increase of 980 deaths in just 24 hours, pushing the total fatalities up to almost 9,000.

The recent study shows that out of 1,689 patients in the sample whose care outcome was known, 871 died (51.6 per cent), while 818 were discharged.

In comparison, just 22 per cent out of 5,367 patients taken into critical care with non-Covid-19 viral pneumonia died between 2017 and 2019.

The coronavirus figures come from 284 NHS critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland taking part in an ICNARC programme as of 4pm on April 9.

According to the study, the data shows that: "Of the 3,883 patients, 871 patients have died, 818 patients have been discharged alive from critical care and 2,194 patients were last reported as still receiving critical care."

The mortality rate is currently higher for men and increases with age, the data shows.

Of the 871 people who died, 53.6 per cent were male, while 46.3 per cent were women.

Meanwhile, the largest number of deaths were among those aged between 70-79 at 298, followed by the 60-69 age group, with 273 reported.

Thirty-one patients died aged between 16-39, 46 were 40-49 and 145 were 50-59. A total of 78 patients died aged over 80.

The average (mean) age of those admitted to intensive care with coronavirus was 59.8 years, with 72.5 per cent of patients recorded as male.

Some 2,291 (59 per cent) patients in critical care had to be mechanically ventilated in the first 24 hours, the study revealed.

The largest number of Covid-19 patients remains in London, with 1,428 being managed by the three London Operational Delivery Networks - the system of co-ordinating patient care across the capital.

Previous figures from April 3, recorded the death rate as being at 50.1 per cent.

Critical care units involved in the initiative are asked to notify ICNARC as soon as they have an admission with Covid-19 and provide data at different points of their treatment.


Chris says
Posted reports that Dr's are starting to challenge the use of breathing aids.
Oxygen ok.
Death rate has seemed excessive in intensive care.

[onevoice]

Several small scale studies (https://spectator.us/covid-antibody-test-german-town-shows-15-percent-infection-rate/) indicate that generally 15 to 17 percent of a given population may get infected by SARS-Cov-2.

COVID antibody test in German town shows 15 percent infection rate
Scientists randomly sampled 1,000 people in Gangelt
Ross Clark
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This morning we have some data giving a little more insight into the great unknown of the coronavirus pandemic: just how widely among the population has SARS-CoV-2 — the virus which causes COVID-19 — spread among the general population. A team at the University of Bonn has tested a randomized sample of 1,000 residents of the town of Gangelt in the north-west of the country, one of the epicenters of the outbreak in Germany. The study found that two percent of the population currently had the virus and that 14 percent were carrying antibodies suggesting that they had already been infected — whether or not they experienced any symptoms. Eliminating an overlap between the two groups, the team concluded that 15 percent of the town have been infected with the virus.

This number matters hugely because it tells us what we need to know in order to judge how deadly the virus is and also how easily it spreads. It tells us, ultimately, how useful the methods are that we are employing in order to combat the virus. As explained here before (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-people-have-covid-19-and-don-t-even-know-it-), the question of how many people already have the infection is at the heart of a debate between epidemiologists at the Imperial College and Oxford university.

Two weeks ago, the latter published modeling claiming that up to half the UK population might already have been infected with the virus (https://spectator.us/tag/coronavirus/) — a level of infection which would mean that lockdown may be the wrong approach, as we would already have achieved a state of herd immunity, preventing the further spread of the disease.

The Gangelt study does not provide support for the idea that half of the population of Britain, or any other country, has been infected with the virus. But for a town to have an infection rate of 15 percent suggests that the virus had spread a lot further than many believed. Neil Ferguson, who leads the Imperial team, told the FT (https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/04/1586015208000/Imperial-s-Neil-Ferguson---We-don-t-have-a-clear-exit-strategy-/) this week that he believes between three and five percent of the UK population has already been infected.

Data from coronavirus deaths in Gangelt suggests an infection mortality rate of 0.37 percent, significantly below the 0.9 percent which Imperial College has estimated (https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-2019-nCoV-severity-10-02-2020.pdf), or the 0.66 percent found in a revised study (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext#) last week.

The 15 percent figure from Gangelt is interesting because it matches two previous studies. Firstly, there was the accidental experiment (https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/severity/diamond_cruise_cfr_estimates.html) of the cruise ship the Diamond Princess, which inadvertently became a floating laboratory when a passenger showing symptoms of COVID-19 boarded on January 20 and remained in the ship, spreading the virus, for five days. The ship was eventually quarantined on February 3 and all its 3,711 passengers tested for the virus. It turned out the 634 of them — 17 percent — had been infected, many of them without symptoms. The mortality rate on the vessel was 1.2 percent — although, inevitably being a cruise ship, it was a relatively elderly cohort.

We gained another insight into SARS-CoV-2 from a Chinese study into 391 cases of COVID-19 in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen. In this case, scientists tested everyone who shared a household with people who were found to be suffering from the disease. It turned out 15 percent of this group had gone on to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 themselves. Again, many showed (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20028423v1.full.pdf) no symptoms.

Obviously these are all small-scale studies and none of them are deliberate experiments to see how far SARS-CoV-2 will spread if it is allowed to ‘rip through’ a population. But they do raise the question: is there a ceiling on the number of people who are prone to be infected with the disease? Do many of us have some kind of natural protection against infection? Would it ever spread among more than about one in six of us?

The British government has based its planning and policy for COVID-19 on the assumption that if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked it would eventually infect 80 percent of the population. That is a figure that seems to have been borrowed from planning for a flu pandemic, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it applies to this virus. The sooner we have the results of more studies like that at Gangelt, the better a picture we have and the sooner we will be able to plot a path out of lockdown.

This article was originally published on The Spectator’ (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-antibody-test-in-german-town-shows-15-per-cent-infection-rate-0-4pc-death-rate)s UK website.

[Delight]

I think this is a balanced source really trying to get a handle on the complexities here.

5g4u1LJQ7_k

I know people don't prefer long videos but IMO this is really important. He has interviews with several people and Del Bigtree has been bringing out the numerous inconsistencies in the narrative.

I hope also people might listen to Bruce Lipton here with Brian Rose. When everything finally settles, we will still have the underlying issue of how to take our power over our own lives, health and healing. I like Bruce Lipton SO MUCH as a wayshower of what we can do at every moment to change our experience. I also absolutely trust the work of Joe Dispenza and know that this epicsode is waking people up. Bruce Lipton talks here about how FEAR effects the immune system. It is not simply "cause" then "effect" (catch a virus, get sick). It is "cause" modulated by our consciousness then "effect". This is a great opportunity to change our minds because we MUST!

Dr. Bruce Lipton - Coronavirus, Epigenetics & Immune System - Most Dangerous Part of COVID-19 is Fear (http://tun.in/tjNS6E)

[Icare]

Shocking, but not totally surprising: (a short video of 2:07 minutes)

https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121
https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121

[thepainterdoug]

these videos are too long, in light of the fact that ive got ten other must watch videos as well. people need to bring thier critical info to the front in 20 minutes or less. just my opinion/

on another note, my method when going out into the world is simple , cheap and liveable.

With clean hands ,I take colloidal silver into my palm, wet my pinky and completely swab my nostrils deep.

I take the remainder of of the colloidal silver and mix with hand cream and use on my face and hands. colloidal hand cream.

I take listerine cut with about 20% food grade hydrogen peroxide and throughly gargle with it.

so i leave the door,mouth tingling, nostrills silvered up, and hands having some first line defense. it all costs nothing, and better than not doing

best to all and happy easter
d

[Icare]

Wow, so things like this are happening now

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https://twitter.com/sovereignity77/status/1248690968426991616

[greybeard]

Its true the videos are too long for most -- only some have I watched all the way.

What seems to coming up now is that the virus is a natural evolution from earlier viruses.
It is therefore different but related to previous ones.
The virus seems to follow the curve of previous ones.
Some people are naturally immune probably from catching past viruses.
Oxygen seems helpful but by mask rather than putting a tube down the throat which seems to up the risk of dying.
The figures I have seen to not seem to validate the shutdown, though UK is now showing worse results than Italy
I would not be in a hurry to go into intensive care.
I will not accept vaccination against this.
I have never had winter flu vaccination.

I suspect the virus is being used as an opportunity to instigate financial ruin for many and increase dependency of the State.
TPTB have manage in a few days to remove our freedom (temporality) some thing that our forefathers fought and died for in World Wars to preserve.

Lockdown to save lives of the vulnerable and protect the NHS oh Yeah!!! --who ran it down?
Eventually they will let the young and fit back to work and keep the elderly locked down for their own benefit.
I being elderly will not be allowed out unless I can prove I dont have a virus-- if not I will be blackmailed into taking the injection or continued being locked down for the good of the community etc

I watched the David Icke video several times and I suspect he has got it right.
3G 4G 5G a continuing and getting stronger attack on the immune system.
Look at the increasing number of tumours in the brain, mobile phones proven to be dangerous.
Also look at the move toward digital -- money.
All seems so logical -- a future of not owning a car just dial one up and it will arrive and take you where ever!!

Feel free to agree or disagree.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Feel free to agree or disagree.

ChrisA few comments in bold:

Its true the videos are too long for most -- only some have I watched all the way.
— Yes. :) Long videos are a real challenge right now. I just don't have the hours in the day. At least (to any members reading this!), PLEASE post good summaries.

What seems to coming up now is that the virus is a natural evolution from earlier viruses.
— Evolution, for sure. But maybe not always natural.

It is therefore different but related to previous ones.
— Yes.

The virus seems to follow the curve of previous ones.
— All epidemics spread exponentially, unless stopped or contained. Whatever they are.

Some people are naturally immune probably from catching past viruses.
— No... recovering from a cold won't stop you from getting flu the week after. Surviving Ebola won't protect you from Marburg.

I will not accept vaccination against this.
I have never had winter flu vaccination.
— Nor me. I'll not be vaccinated against anything. The last vaccination I had was 32 years ago (for Yellow Fever, needed for traveling to Africa and India at the time).

I suspect the virus is being used as an opportunity to instigate financial ruin for many and increase dependency of the State.
— Yes.

TPTB have manage in a few days to remove our freedom (temporality) some thing that our forefathers fought and died for in World Wars to preserve.
— Yes. ('Temporarily'... we hope. :) )

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[greybeard]

Concerning Immune system.
If I was a scientist I would gathering data from cruise ships in particular.
These are places where illness runs riot, possibly down to air conditioning system and people being confined.
So people would be most likely to get the virus there.
So how come large numbers of people have strong enough immune systems to avoid getting this virus?
Bearing in mind that the cruise ship probably has quite elderly passengers -- retired people.
This also applies to number tested negative in all countries.
So what is the previous medical history of those with strong immune systems?
Have they had any vaccinations? A big question
Do they take vitamin/mineral supplements?
Do they spend less time on mobile phones than most?
A scientist investigating could come up with many more questions Im sure
Anyway
These are questions that would help to strengthen the immune system of people
Perhaps its being done right now.

Chris

[greybeard]

UK pledges £200 million in aid to help stop second coronavirus wave
Reuters Reuters

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-pledges-200-million-pounds-230954555.html

London (Reuters) - Britain said on Sunday it was pledging 200 million pounds to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and charities to help slow the spread of the coronavirus in vulnerable countries and so help prevent a second wave of infections.

More than 1.6 million people are reported to have been infected by the novel coronavirus globally and deaths have topped 100,000 according to a Reuters tally.

Infections have been reported in 210 countries since the first cases were identified in China in December last year and British aid minister Anne-Marie Trevelyan said assisting the poorest nations now would help prevent the virus returning to the United Kingdom.

Britain has reported almost 10,000 deaths from the coronavirus so far, the fifth highest national number globally.

"While our brilliant doctors and nurses fight coronavirus at home, we’re deploying British expertise and funding around the world to prevent a second deadly wave reaching the UK," Trevelyan said in a statement.

"Coronavirus does not respect country borders so our ability to protect the British public will only be effective if we strengthen the healthcare systems of vulnerable developing countries too."

The British government said 130 million pounds would go to United Nations' agencies, with 65 million for the WHO. Another 50 million pounds would go to the Red Cross to help war-torn and hard to reach areas, and 20 million pounds going to other organisations and charities.

The cash would help areas with weak health systems such as war-ravaged Yemen, which reported its first case on Friday, and Bangladesh, which is hosting 850,000 Rohingya refugees in crowded camps, it said.

Britain's support for the WHO contrasts with the view of U.S. President Donald Trump who has criticised its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic with suggestions his administration might re-evaluate U.S. funding

"The United Kingdom’s generous contribution is a strong statement that this is a global threat that demands a global response," Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO's Director General said.

"We are all in this together, which means protecting health around the world will help to protect the health of people in the UK."

($1 = 0.8073 pounds)

(Reporting by Michael Holden; editing by Guy Faulconbridge)

[greybeard]

They DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH | YOU CAN BOOST YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM LIKE THAT - David Icke
Thankfully a short video
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At7qAfSUUbo

[shaberon]

This is bluntly real about what goes on with used human bodies on Hart Island (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55044.htm), NYC:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/09/18/27011870-8205237-image-m-77_1586452755305.jpg




Those are three deep.

It says they have been a little extra busy lately.

A physician at the county level in California is convinced enough the virus was widespread before the first case was reported (https://www.rt.com/usa/485586-coronavirus-in-california-longer/), they are checking out blood banks for evidence.

"When it came to tracing the second case in the Bay Area several weeks later, medics were unable to discover how the patient - a woman who had been ill for weeks - had come in contact with the virus. “That means the virus is in the community already — not, as was suspected by the CDC, as only in China and being spread from contact with China,” Smith said.

“Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice,” he explained. “You didn’t even go to the doctor.” Indeed, data from the CDC shows that since early December, hospitalizations for “Influenza-like Illness” stayed higher than at any point during the last decade, save for the unusually bad 2017-2018 flu season."

Here, they report an outbreak at another nursing home which has not been identified, and down to only eight counties with nothing. Interestingly, the closest large outbreak in such a facility is responsible for 53/84 of the county's cases. Of the places mentioned a few days ago, they are 116/141 in that area. There is even another one showing more in the nursing home than the whole county. So this is a heavily skewed distribution, same as it is in Sweden.

If we can assume most of the residents are not exposing themselves to worldly affairs, where, exactly, did the employees go to get such a big piece of the pie?

In my experience, most of them are not the type of doctors who go to international conferences. Again, it says to me the infection was already everywhere, and is just more noticeable in that setting.

Here, it is particularly fatal to black people, more than 40% of the total, same as in Sweden.

But apparently their schools are open, and not been called outbreak centers yet.


I am still not exactly sure what is going on around here, since the Easter ads tell many many stores are open past "go home" time. Generally, there are not arrests being made along these lines, just requests for cooperation.

There are "complaints" being made about violating the stay-at-home "request" and against gatherings and so forth, among which, we find, "complaints were about businesses staying open. Among other businesses, officers got called to a Game Stop store, three tobacco shops and a Mattress Warehouse store – all of the businesses were ruled exempt by the county’s order."

Yes, we are now complaining about a mattress store being open. I suppose that is better than the government actually commandeering it to hide people from nursing homes. They'll let prisoners out, but you better not have a mattress or move someone who can't help themselves.

[Apulu]

Smoking gun of virus origin?

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/smoking-gun-chinese-scientist-finds-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-laboratory-wuhan

Sorry if this has been posted already... I haven't been able to find it in several searches...

Not sure how it relates to the above video (Judy Mikowitz) as I haven't watched it yet...a summary really would be good!

The main points of the paper are:


Citation of the evidence that the original outbreak likely came from bats.
Residents of Wuhan and visitors to the infamous seafood market (around 100 people questioned), say no bats were ever sold there.
The bats in question are a specific breed, with a specific habitat, which is 900km away, making it nearly impossible for bats to have travelled to the seafood market naturally.
There are two laborites in close proximity to the market, and both were studying the bats in question, who were carrying the virus in question.


Hmmm...

[araucaria]

Listening to Alex Jones
Listening to Mike Adams
Listening to David Icke
Listening to Dr Chris Martenson
Listening to Dr Roger Seheult
Listening to Dr Francis Boyle
Listening to Dr Shiva Ayyadurai
Listening to Dr Anthony Fauci (not recommended!)
It's a bioweapon
It was accidentally released
It was deliberately released
It came form China
It came from the US
It came from the seafood market
The virus doesn't exist at all
It'll come back in a second wave later in the year
We'll all be immune pretty soon, when herd immunity is reached
It's airborne
It's not airborne
It's only a collection of 5G symptoms, nothing more
(...and much, much, much else).


So "thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19" may not be all that helpful!


If it means "none of the above" it may be exactly wrong. I've said it before, eg about JFK, but I rather think we are in the opposite situation (cf "Murder on the Orient Express"): all of the above. We are in an age when having discovered probability waves, we find that they simply refuse to collapse.


It is interesting how, every time we make a new discovery, it comes just at the right time (synchronistically) for immediate consumption. For example, a thousands-year-old cycle, and boom, a major crisis point is due next year or next decade.
Well, no one thought much of my yesterday’s effort. Fair enough: it was as clear as mud. But now I’m going to take the same material and turn it into a happy crystal clear message for Easter morning. I have to correct myself here: some things do take thousands of years to come into proper focus. Here is my 20/20 vision… or 2020 vision. Optically (stereoscopically), this means you have two different clear views of the same things or events. That is what I am talking about. Like the Easter story, one clear view is very bad; the other clear view is very good. (These two extremes presumably include everything in between as well.) The Easter message is to say that the perceived negative reality is false, and the new unexpected positive reality is true. The probability wave that refused to collapse comes crashing down in total certainty when that true reality finally takes over.

Let’s apply this to the current totally exceptional situation. Here is the bad news that everyone is focusing on, including and especially on this forum. Let’s take it in its extreme form. This is the last chance saloon for the evil agenda aimed at massive population reduction and total enslavement of the rest. We have already had failed attempts at MAD, mutual assured nuclear destruction. Enough was done to make this happen, and indeed it really ought to have happened, but for the miraculous intervention of some unseen hand. A pandemic works in the same way, becoming unstoppable if a critical mass is reached. While the initial impetus seems to have been lost, this can very much still happen.

So, what would the good news be? The best imaginable by so many these days, and the most necessary, would appear to be a mass landing of the owners of the unseen hand, our human cousins from other planets. We are ready for that now. How do we know? We have reached the end of the road. An individual does not have a near-death experience until they are no longer alive, and not yet dead: they become like Schrodinger’s cat, in two superimposed states. Likewise, humanity generally is having an NDE, or about to have one, with vital systems flatlining. About now would be the time to intervene, because to quote the title of an SF novel about a time slip by Fred Hoyle, “October the First is Too Late”.

We now see how the White House Lawn scenario was far too petty and local, when a global event was needed. Now we have closed so many spaces that, turning lockdown into open up, they can land just about everywhere. We shall greet them on the beaches, in our parks, at our airports, on the Champs-Elysées, in St Peter’s Square, you name it. It seems that what has happened is like at a large public function where people are made to clear a wide space. They will be wondering, and maybe grumbling, but they expect something important is about to happen when someone comes to occupy that space.

Clearly, all the above taken together sounds a bit schizophrenic or manic-depressive, but we have names for this sort of thing. We talk about having one’s cake and eating it. The French saying adds an interesting French twist to this: you can have your butter and your butter money, and sometimes the dairymaid as well! Let’s not lose sight of that dairymaid. Another phrase is “in flagrante delicto”. This is a detection technique used simultaneously to solve and indeed prevent a crime, arrest the suspects and put the trial judge out of business as well. For all intents and purposes, the crime is committed, and everyone establishes their personal guilt by playing their part before reliable witnesses. No top defence attorney is going to save them. The one difference is that the victim is not hurt, so in another sense no crime has been committed; and yet it has been so perfectly acted out for real in every other detail that no attorney is going to use that defence.

What this means is any and all crimes, misdemeanours and ill-advised behaviours that may have been committed along the way become crystal hand-in-cookie-jar clear and put an end to. This is on a scale closer to a benevolent Last Judgement than any talk of “mass arrests”. Benevolent, because the ultimate crime has been prevented, and we will not be going there again. We have been wallowing in this deepening grey area for so long. We know in principle how this can be overcome. All that is now needed is for it to happen. Happy Easter everyone.

[greybeard]

Government plans to create 'NHS app' to end coronavirus lockdown
Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK



More on the link

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-government-creates-nhs-app-081410633.html


The government has ordered the creation of an NHS app which it hopes will help end the coronavirus lockdown.

When fully operational, the phone app would use Bluetooth technology to find out whether a user had come into close contact with an infected person, according to The Sunday Times.

The app would then alert them to get tested for the virus at an NHS facility.

If a person becomes unwell with symptoms, he or she can allow the app to inform the NHS and trigger an alert that the app will send anonymously to all other users with whom the person was in significant contact over the previous few days.
A posed picture taken in Marsden on March 25, 2020 shows a communication from the British government's Coronavirus Information Service on WhatsApp displayed on a smartphone. - Britain on March 24 said it will open a 4,000-bed field hospital at a London exhibition centre to treat coronavirus cases in the latest measure to tackle the outbreak after the government ordered a nationwide lockdown. The British health secretary told a news conference the temporary hospital, to be known as the NHS Nightingale Hospital, would open at the ExCeL centre in east London with two wards each with a capacity for 2,000 people. (Photo by Oli SCARFF / AFP) (Photo by OLI SCARFF/AFP via Getty Images)
The government has already created a Coronavirus Information Service on WhatsApp. (Getty)

It is hoped that, combined with a massive increase in testing for the disease, the new technology will enable the government to end the lockdown from late next month.

NHSX, the health service’s technology arm, has reportedly been developing the app at “breakneck speed” in conjunction with Google and Apple.

“We believe this could be important in helping the country return to normality,” a Whitehall source told the newspaper.

However, experts say the “track and trace” concept will only work effectively if 60 per cent of people download it.

One idea under consideration would mean people being told they could resume normal work and home life if they installed it on their phones.

Senior public figures warned that any data harvested by the technology would need to be stringently protected.

Lord Evans, the former head of MI5, wrote in The Sunday Times: “These tools proved extremely effective at giving our police and security services an edge over the terrorists and have saved many lives. They are likely to be just as effective at helping stamp out the Covid-19 pandemic.

[greybeard]

Five months on, what scientists now know about the coronavirus
The Guardian Robin McKie Science Editor,The Guardian

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-months-scientists-now-know-054034424.html



Photograph: NEXU Science Communication/Reuters

Coronaviruses have been causing problems for humanity for a long time. Several versions are known to trigger common colds and more recently two types have set off outbreaks of deadly illnesses: severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers).

But their impact has been mild compared with the global havoc unleashed by the coronavirus that is causing the Covid-19 pandemic. In only a few months it has triggered lockdowns in dozens of nations and claimed more than 100,000 lives. And the disease continues to spread.

That is an extraordinary achievement for a spiky ball of genetic material coated in fatty chemicals called lipids, and which measures an 80-billionth of a metre in diameter. Humanity has been brought low by a very humble assailant.

On the other hand, our knowledge about the Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is also remarkable. This was an organism unknown to science five months ago. Today it is the subject of study on an unprecedented scale. Vaccines projects proliferate, antiviral drug trials have been launched and new diagnostic tests are appearing.

The questions are therefore straightforward: what have we learned over the past five months and how might that knowledge put an end to this pandemic?
Where did it come from and how did it first infect humans?

The Sars-CoV-2 virus almost certainly originated in bats, which have evolved fierce immune responses to viruses, researchers have discovered. These defences drive viruses to replicate faster so that they can get past bats’ immune defences. In turn, that transforms the bat into a reservoir of rapidly reproducing and highly transmissible viruses. Then when these bat viruses move into other mammals, creatures that lack a fast-response immune system, the viruses quickly spread into their new hosts. Most evidence suggests that Sars-CoV-2 started infecting humans via an intermediary species, such as pangolins.

“This virus probably jumped from a bat into another animal, and that other animal was probably near a human, maybe in a market,” says virologist Professor Edward Holmes of Sydney University. “And so if that wildlife animal has a virus it’s picked up from a bat and we’re interacting with it, there’s a good chance that the virus will then spread to the person handling the animal. Then that person will go home and spread it to someone else and we have an outbreak.”

As to the transmission of Sars-CoV-2, that occurs when droplets of water containing the virus are expelled by an infected person in a cough or sneeze.
Health officials inspect bats to be confiscated in the wake of coronavirus outbreak at a live animal market in Solo, Central Java, Indonesia.
Health officials inspect bats to be confiscated in the wake of a coronavirus outbreak at a live animal market in Solo, Central Java, Indonesia. Photograph: AP
How does the virus spread and how does it affect people?

Virus-ridden particles are inhaled by others and come into contact with cells lining the throat and larynx. These cells have large numbers of receptors – known as Ace-2 receptors – on their surfaces. (Cell receptors play a key role in passing chemicals into cells and in triggering signals between cells.) “This virus has a surface protein that is primed to lock on that receptor and slip its RNA into the cell,” says virologist Professor Jonathan Ball of Nottingham University.

Once inside, that RNA inserts itself into the cell’s own replication machinery and makes multiple copies of the virus. These burst out of the cell, and the infection spreads. Antibodies generated by the body’s immune system eventually target the virus and in most cases halt its progress.

“A Covid-19 infection is generally mild, and that really is the secret of the virus’s success,” adds Ball. “Many people don’t even notice they have got an infection and so go around their work, homes and supermarkets infecting others.”

By contrast, Sars – which is also caused by a coronavirus – makes patients much sicker and kills about one in 10 of those infected. In most cases, these patients are hospitalised and that stops them infecting others – by cutting the transmission chain. Milder Covid-19 avoids that issue.
Why does the virus sometimes cause death?

Occasionally, however, the virus can cause severe problems. This happens when it moves down the respiratory tract and infects the lungs, which are even richer in cells with Ace-2 receptors. Many of these cells are destroyed, and lungs become congested with bits of broken cell. In these cases, patients will require treatment in intensive care.

Even worse, in some cases, a person’s immune system goes into overdrive, attracting cells to the lungs in order to attack the virus, resulting in inflammation. This process can run out of control, more immune cells pour in, and the inflammation gets worse. This is known as a cytokine storm. (In Greek, “cyto” means cell and “kino” means movement.) In some cases, this can kill the patient.

Just why cytokine storms occur in some patients but not in the vast majority is unclear. One possibility is that some people have versions of Ace-2 receptors that are slightly more vulnerable to attacks from the coronavirus than are those of most people.
Are we protected for life if we get infected?

Doctors examining patients recovering from a Covid-19 infection are finding fairly high levels of neutralising antibodies in their blood. These antibodies are made by the immune system, and they coat an invading virus at specific points, blocking its ability to break into cells.

“It is clear that immune responses are being mounted against Covid-19 in infected people,” says virologist Mike Skinner of Imperial College London. “And the antibodies created by that response will provide protection against future infections – but we should note that it is unlikely this protection will be for life.”

Instead, most virologists believe that immunity against Covid-19 will last only a year or two. “That is in line with other coronaviruses that infect humans,” says Skinner. “That means that even if most people do eventually become exposed to the virus, it is still likely to become endemic – which means we would see seasonal peaks of infection of this disease. We will have reached a steady state with regard to Covid-19.”

The virus will be with us for some time, in short. But could it change its virulence? Some researchers have suggested that it could become less deadly. Others have argued that it could mutate to become more lethal. Skinner is doubtful. “We have got to consider this pandemic from the virus’s perspective,” he says. “It is spreading round the world very nicely. It is doing OK. So why should it change?”

In the end, it will be the development and roll-out of an effective vaccine that will free us from the threat of Covid-19, Skinner says.
When will we get a vaccine?

On Friday, the journal Nature reported that 78 vaccine projects had been launched round the globe – with a further 37 in development. Among the projects that are under way is a vaccine programme that is now in phase-one trials at Oxford University, two others at US biotechnology corporations and three more at Chinese scientific groups. Many other vaccine developers say they plan to start human testing this year.
A woman holds a small bottle labeled with a “Vaccine COVID-19” sticker.
Around the globe, there are 78 vaccine projects. Photograph: Dado Ruvić/Reuters

This remarkable response raises hopes that a Covid-19 vaccine could be developed in a fairly short time. However, vaccines require large-scale safety and efficacy studies. Thousands of people would receive either the vaccine itself or a placebo to determine if the former were effective at preventing infection from the virus which they would have encountered naturally. That, inevitably, is a lengthy process.

As a result, some scientists have proposed a way to speed up the process – by deliberately exposing volunteers to the virus to determine a vaccine’s efficacy. “This approach is not without risks but has the potential to expedite candidate vaccine testing by many months,” says Nir Eyal, a professor of bioethics at Rutgers University.

Volunteers would have to be young and healthy, he stresses: “Their health would also be closely monitored, and they would have access to intensive care and any available medicines.” The result could be a vaccine that would save millions of lives by being ready for use in a much shorter time than one that went through standard phase three trials.

But deliberately infecting people – in particular volunteers who would be given a placebo vaccine as part of the trial – is controversial. “This will have to be thought through very carefully,” says Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University. “Young people might jump at the opportunity to join such a trial but this is a virus that does kill the odd young person. We don’t know why yet. However, phase-three trials are still some way off, so we have time to consider the idea carefully.”

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting day today. :) If anyone doesn't know what the very remarkable Naadi Prophecies are, do read this thread.


Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64742-Naadi-Shastra-My-experience-with-Destiny)

In this video (and a previous longer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmE57sBrVeQ)), the coronavirus is described in detail, together with our efforts to combat it. The prophecies were made thousands of years ago, written on palm leaves and very carefully preserved. They look like this:

https://www.indiadivine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/veda-leaf1.jpg

Here's the very interesting recent video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zFKf84l7fA
Summary of the 19 minute video above:


There'll be a recognized Covid-19 "cure" by 12 April — i.e. today. They prophecies are that precise.



There'll be more lockdowns and public unrest, and possible uprisings. But step by step, the restrictions will be lifted at the end of May.



By the beginning of summer, life will be normal again. There'll be another outbreak in September, but not as bad as the current (first) outbreak.



To help yourself, strengthen your personal immune system. Avoid negativity and fear, eat green vegetables (freshly picked if possible), take tulsi (an Indian herb), basil (dark green is best), drink hot water regularly, and make sure your food is always fully cooked.

~~~

The prospect of a "cure" dated today implies that something may be publicly recognized or acknowledged. It seems to suggest that something will prominently change, or 'tip". Of course, it's not clear whether "today" refers to the time zone in Tamil Nadu (southern India), and maybe the "cure" will be acknowledged in India only. (Or maybe only in a scientific paper published today, to be widely recognized later.)

So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see :) ).

[Elainie]

A conversation with Dr. Paul Cottrell and a nurse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIhznfgkaw

[gord]

Just throwing stuff out there. This page Crucial Facts About Covid-19 (https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_crucial_facts) is pretty interesting. Have a look at the spread sheet: (Source Data (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls))
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Crucial Facts About Covid-19
By James D. Agresti
March 31, 2020
Updated 4/11/20

https://www.justfacts.com/images/health/covid-19_header.jpg

Given the spread of misinformation about Covid-19, Just Facts (https://www.justfacts.com/) is providing a trove of rigorously documented facts about this disease and its impacts. These include some vital facts that have been absent or misreported in much of the media’s coverage of this issue.

This research also includes a groundbreaking study to determine the lethality of Covid-19 based on the most comprehensive available measure: the total years of life that it will rob from all people. This accords with the CDC’s tenet (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000741.htm) that “the allocation of health resources must consider not only the number of deaths by cause but also” the “years of potential life lost.”

The CDC emphasizes (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html) that the Covid-19 pandemic “is a rapidly evolving situation,” and as such, this article will be updated each weekday as the CDC publishes new data.

On one hand, the facts show that:


the death rate for people who contract Covid-19 is uncertain but is probably closer to that of the seasonal flu than figures commonly reported by the press.
the average years of life lost from each Covid-19 death are significantly fewer than from common causes of untimely death like accidents and suicides.
the virus that causes Covid-19 is “very vulnerable to antibody neutralization” and has limited ability to mutate, which means it is very unlikely to take masses of lives year after year like the flu and other recurring scourges.
if 240,000 Covid-19 deaths ultimately occur in the United States, the virus will rob about 2.9 million years of life from all Americans who were alive at the outset of 2020, while the flu will rob them of about 35 million years, suicides will rob them of 132 million years, and accidents will rob them of 409 million years.


http://www.justfacts.com/images/health/covid-19_deaths.png (http://www.justfacts.com/images/health/covid-19_deaths-full.png)


(Source Data (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls))


On the other hand, elderly people and those with chronic ailments are extremely vulnerable to Covid-19. Furthermore, the disease is highly transmissible, which means it could spread like wildfire and overwhelm hospitals without extraordinary measures to contain it. This would greatly increase its death toll.

However, such precautionary measures often have economic and other impacts that can cost lives, and overreacting can ultimately kill more people than are saved.

Likelihood of Exposure

Per the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a total of 492,416 (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html) people in the United States have been diagnosed with Covid-19 as of 4:00 PM EST on April 10, 2020. The U.S. population is 329 million (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/stories/2020/new-years-2020.html) people, which means that one out of every 669 (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) people has been diagnosed with Covid-19. The disease is not equally dispersed throughout the nation, so this figure is much higher in some areas and much lower in others.

Reported cases don’t include people who may have Covid-19 but have not yet been diagnosed. Because its incubation period (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html) is 2–14 days, the number of people who have been infected could substantially exceed the number who have been diagnosed.

Also, the vast majority of people who contract Covid-19 experience only mild or no symptoms, and many of them may never be diagnosed. This means that the count of reported cases further understates the actual number of people who have been infected. A February 2020 study (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130) in the Journal of the American Medical Association based on data from China found that 81% of reported Covid-19 cases are “mild.” The true portion of such cases is even higher than this, for as the paper explains, there are “inherent difficulties in identifying and counting mild and asymptomatic cases.”

A rare case in which asymptomatic cases can be counted is the Diamond Princess cruise ship, since all passengers (https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-ncov-e/9407-covid-dp-fe-01.html) were tested for Covid-19. Among those who tested positive, 51% (https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-ncov-e/9417-covid-dp-fe-02.html) didn’t have symptoms when they were tested. The number of these people who later developed symptoms is currently unavailable.

Conversely, the number of people who have ever been infected may greatly exceed the number who are still infected. Growing numbers of people who were once diagnosed with Covid-19 have recovered (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/), and the count of those who were unknowingly infected and had fast recoveries could be enormous. A March 2020 paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1286457920300344#bib5) in the journal Microbes and Infection notes that “most infected individuals … appear to be able to recover with little to no medical intervention.”

Moreover, a March 2020 paper (http://www.pemdatabase.org/Coronavirus_Infections_in_Children_Including_COVID-19.pdf) in the Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal states: “Preliminary evidence suggests children are just as likely as adults” to contract Covid-19, but they are “less likely to be symptomatic,” and even those with diagnosed infections typically “recover 1–2 weeks after the onset of symptoms.”

The upshot of all this is that the number of people who are actively infected and contagious is lower than the total of reported and undiagnosed cases.

A March 2020 paper (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221) in the journal Science condenses the factors above into a single number. It estimates that 86% of all Covid-19 infections in Wuhan, China “were undocumented” before the government implemented travel restrictions. This means that the number of people who were infected was six times the number of documented infections. This figure declines as social distancing measures are adopted and as diagnoses and recoveries rise as time passes.

Under that worst-case scenario from Wuhan, if the number of people with contagious Covid-19 infections in the U.S. is actually six times the number of people who have been diagnosed with it, the average American would have to come in contact with 112 (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) people to be exposed to one person who has it.

Numbers of Deaths

A total of 18,559 (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html) U.S. residents have died from Covid-19 as of 4:00 PM on April 10, 2020. To put this figure in perspective:


roughly 12,469 people in the U.S. died from the swine flu (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21342903) from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010. Unlike Covid-19, which mainly kills (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2930566-3/fulltext) older people with preexisting health problems, 87% (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21342903) of people killed by the swine flu were under the age of 65.
an average of 37,000 people (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_vital_facts.xls) in the U.S. have died from influenza (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html)(“the flu”) each year over the past nine years.
around 170,000 people per year in the U.S. die from accidents (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf#page=6).

In other words, deaths from Covid-19 are now 8.9% (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) of the annual fatalities from the flu and accidents. Although Covid-19 is a new disease and took its first reported life in the U.S. during late February (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0229-COVID-19-first-death.html), this comparison may substantially overstate the relative deadliness of Covid-19 because fatalities from accidents and the flu occur in droves every year, and this is unlikely for Covid-19.

The primary reason why the flu takes tens of thousands of lives every year is because the viruses that cause it mutate in ways that prevent people from becoming immune to them. Per the Journal of Infectious Diseases (https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/193/1/7/870349), “All viruses mutate, but influenza remains highly unusual among infectious diseases” because it mutates very rapidly, and thus, “new vaccines are needed almost every year” to protect against it. While much remains to be seen about the mutations of the virus that causes Covid-19, the early indications are that it will not mutate rapidly and become an ongoing scourge.

As detailed in a March 2020 paper (https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202050334) in a molecular biology journal that cites Michael Farzan, co‐chair of the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research, once a vaccine for Covid-19 is developed, it “would not need regular updates, unlike seasonal influenza vaccines” because the part of the virus that the vaccine targets “is protected against mutation” by a feature of its genetic material, or RNA.

The same point applies to naturally acquired immunity. People who get Covid-19 develop natural antibodies that protect against future infections of it. The physiology textbook The Human Body in Health and Illness (https://www.elsevier.com/books/link/link/9781455772346) explains that such immunity, which is called “active immunity,” is “generally long lasting.” The same applies (https://www.britannica.com/science/infectious-disease/Polio-vaccine) to diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, and polio. If someone contracts these diseases, they rarely get them again, and furthermore, they are very unlikely to transmit them to others. Thus, these people become firewalls (https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/file?type=printable&id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001297) against the spread of these contagions.

Media outlets like The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/), Vox (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/11/21163262/is-there-a-cure-for-coronavirus), and Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2020/03/12/get-ready-to-live-with-covid-19/#41fdf7dc4782) have turned the truth of this matter on its head by confusing the general nature of coronaviruses with that of Covid-19. The habit of calling Covid-19 “the coronavirus” can be very misleading because there are different types of coronaviruses, and Covid-19 is caused by just one of them. Coronaviruses are a family of RNA viruses that includes some common cold (https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/coronavirus) viruses. These viruses tend to mutate rapidly (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/emp2.12034), but Covid-19 does not share that trait. Per the same March 2020 paper (https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202050334) cited just above, the virus that causes Covid-19 “does not mutate rapidly for an RNA virus because, unusually for this category, it has a proof‐reading function” in its genetics.

Likewise, a February 19th editorial (https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m627.full) in the British Medical Journal about Covid-19 reports that the “genome data available so far show no unexpected mutation rate or signs of adaptation….”

Put simply, Covid-19 does not mutate nearly as much as the flu, and thus, it is far less likely to take lives regardless of acquired immunity and vaccines. If this proves true in the long run, as current evidence suggests it will, the lifetime risk of dying from Covid-19 is greatly overstated by comparing its ultimate death toll to yearly fatalities from the flu, accidents, suicides, and other frequent causes of death.

Years of Lost Life

Beyond raw numbers of deaths, another crucial factor in measuring the deadliness of a public health threat is the ages of its victims. In the words of the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000741.htm), “the allocation of health resources must consider not only the number of deaths by cause but also by age.” Hence, the “years of potential life lost” has “become a mainstay in the evaluation of the impact of injuries on public health.”

In this respect, Covid-19 is much less lethal than common causes of untimely death, such as accidents. The precise average age of death for Covid-19 fatalities is still unknown, but the vast majority of victims are elderly (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027268v1) or have one or more chronic illnesses (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027268v1), as is the case with deaths from the flu and pneumonia.

Based on the CDC’s latest data for the age distribution (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf#page=35) of deaths, the average age of death (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) for accidents is about 53.3 years, while for the flu and pneumonia, it is about 77.4 years. Using flu and pneumonia as a rough proxy for Covid-19, this disease robs an average of 12.0 years (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) of life from each of its victims, as compared to 30.6 years (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) of lost life for each accident. And again, accidents kill around 170,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf#page=6) Americans per year, while Covid-19 is unlikely to have an ongoing high death toll because of its limited prospects for mutation.

In a March 29th comment that generated headlines in virtually every (https://www.google.com/search?q=fauci+200%2C000+deaths&num=100&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F28%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F30%2F2020&tbm=) major media outlet, renowned immunologist (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio) Anthony Fauci told (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/29/sotu-fauci-full.cnn) CNN’s Jake Tapper that “looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000 and 200,000” Americans will die from Covid-19, but “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target that you can so easily be wrong and mislead people.” The next day, Dr. Fauci emphasized (https://youtu.be/lg--anohtSQ?t=3001) that those figures are based on a model, and “a model is as good as the assumptions that you put into” it.

A day later at a White House press conference, Dr. Deborah Birx (https://www.state.gov/biographies/deborah-l-birx-md/), another world-renowned immunologist, presented (https://youtu.be/jyp0KpB0_Zc?t=1017) a slide of model results based upon “five or six international and domestic modelers from Harvard, from Columbia, from Northeastern, from Imperial who helped us tremendously.” The model projects that 100,000 to 240,000 deaths will occur if Americans follow social distancing and hygiene guidelines. She added that “we really believe and hope every day that we can do a lot better than that because that’s not assuming 100% of every American does everything that they’re supposed to be doing, but I think that’s possible.”

If the high-end of that range comes to pass, and 240,000 U.S. residents die from Covid-19, this disease will rob 2.9 million (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) years of life from all Americans who were alive at the outset of 2020. In comparison (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls), the flu will rob them of about 35 million years, suicides will rob them of 132 million years, and accidents will rob them of 409 million years.

These figures reveal that accidents are about 140 times more lethal to Americans than this worst-case scenario for Covid-19 given mitigation. Likewise, the flu is 12 times as lethal as Covid-19, and suicides are about 45 times. This is a substantially more comprehensive measure of deadliness than the tally of lives lost during a year—or any other random unit of time—because it accounts for the entirety of people’s lives and the total years of life that they lose.

While not diminishing the value of any life, these facts speak to the efforts that society takes to save some lives versus others.

Death Rates

Initial media reports of a 2–3% mortality rate for Covid-19 are inflated, and the actual figure may be closer to that of the flu, which has averaged about 0.15% (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_vital_facts.xls) over the past nine years in the United States. A large degree of uncertainty surrounds this issue due to the same factor that prevents accurate counts of infections: unreported cases.

As explained (https://www.c-span.org/video/?470068-2/secretary-azar-federal-health-officials-coronavirus-briefing)by Dr. Brett Giroir (https://www.ahip.org/speaker/admiral-brett-p-giroir-md/)—who has authored nearly 100 peer-reviewed scientific publications and serves as the Assistant Secretary for Health at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services—the Covid-19 death rate is “lower than you heard probably in many reports” because the bulk of people who contract coronavirus don’t get seriously ill, and thus, many of them never get tested.

Giroir calls this a “denominator problem” because if you’re “not very ill, as most people are not, they do not get tested. They do not get counted in the denominator.” Giroir’s best estimate is that the mortality rate is probably “somewhere between 0.1% and 1%.” This “is likely more severe in its mortality rate than the typical flu” rate of 0.1% to 0.15%, “but it’s certainly within the range.”

Giroir’s estimate accords with a February 2020 commentary (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387) in the New England Journal of Medicine by Fauci and others:
If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.
A prime example of how journalists misreport on this issue is a March 12th article (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-south-korea-compared-to-flu-2020-3) in Business Insider by Andy Kiersz. In this piece, he compares the “death rates” of Covid-19 from the South Korean CDC (https://www.justfacts.com/document/covid-19_south_korea_3.12.20.pdf) to that of the flu from the United States CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html). Based on these numbers, he reports that “South Korea—which has reported some of the lowest coronavirus death rates of any country—still has a COVID-19 death rate more than eight times higher than that of the flu.”

What Kiersz and his editors fail to understand is that the denominator for the Korean rate is the number of “confirmed cases,” while the denominator for the U.S. rate is based on (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm) a “mathematical model.” The CDC clarifies how the model works by citing a study (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/12/09-1413_article) on swine flu, which multiplies “43,677 laboratory-confirmed cases” of the disease by 41 to 131 times to calculate the denominator for the death rate. In the authors’ words, they do this because confirmed cases are:
likely a substantial underestimate of the true number. Correcting for under-ascertainment using a multiplier model, we estimate that 1.8 million–5.7 million cases occurred, including 9,000–21,000 hospitalizations.
Put simply, Covid-19 death rates that are based upon reported or confirmed infections grossly undercount the number of people with the disease. This, in turn, makes the death rate seem substantially higher than reality.

Social Media Amplification

The famous maxim that “there are six degrees of separation between everyone in the world” has changed in recent years due to social media. A 2014 paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563213003427) in the journal Computers in Human Behavior finds that the “average number of acquaintances separating any two people” has declined from six to 3.9.

A 2011 paper (http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/DiPreteetal.pdf) in the American Journal of Sociology estimates that each American knows an average of 550 people. If 150 of these are mutual connections who already know each other, each American has (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) about 220,000 friends of friends—and 88 million friends of friends of friends.

Thus, if everyone is sharing on social media about people they know who have been infected or killed by Covid-19, it can seem like the world is coming to an end. Yet, if people did the same for other deaths, each person would hear every year (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) about an average of:


1,905 deaths among their friends of friends, and 761,844 deaths among their friends of friends of friends.
38 deaths from the flu and pneumonia among their friends of friends, and 15,075 such deaths among their friends of friends of friends.
6 deaths of people under the age of 65 from the flu and pneumonia among their friends of friends, and 2,385 such deaths among their friends of friends of friends.

In addition to social media, the press acts as another megaphone of Covid-19’s impacts. Because the U.S. is the third-most populous (http://www.census.gov/popclock/print.php?component=counter) nation in the world, it is easy for journalists to create misleading impressions by focusing on certain events and ignoring the broader context (https://www.justfacts.com/racialissues#violence_blm_anecdotes) of facts that surround them. This kind of crucial context is missing from much of the media’s coverage of Covid-19 and practically every other public policy issue (https://www.justfacts.com/).

Transmissibility

Another important factor in weighing the risks posed by Covid-19 is its transmissibility, or how contagious it is. In this respect, Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the seasonal flu because it spreads very quickly and can overwhelm hospitals.

Scientists measure the contagiousness of diseases with a basic reproduction number (https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/basic+reproduction+number), which is the average number of people who tend to catch a disease from each person who has it. This measure is an innate characteristic of the disease because it doesn’t account for actions that people take to prevent it. A February 2020 paper (https://academic.oup.com/jtm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jtm/taaa021/5735319) published in the Journal of Travel Medicine explains that any disease with a basic reproduction number above 1.0 is likely to multiply over time.

The same paper evaluates 12 studies of the basic reproduction number of Covid-19 in various nations and finds that they “ranged from 1.4 to 6.49,” with an average of 3.28 and a median of 2.79. Based on their analysis of these studies, the authors conclude that the basic reproduction number of Covid-19 will likely prove to be “around 2–3” after “more data are accumulated.”

In contrast, a 2014 paper (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186%2F1471-2334-14-480) in the journal BMC Infectious Diseases analyzes 24 studies of the seasonal flu and finds that the median result for the basic reproduction number is 1.28. The authors stress that the seemingly small difference between 1.28 and higher figures like 1.80 “represent the difference between epidemics that are controllable and cause moderate illness and those causing a significant number of illnesses and requiring intensive mitigation strategies to control.”

In other words, if the transmissibility of Covid-19 is as high as currently estimated, the aggressive measures that some governments, organizations, and individuals have taken to limit large gatherings and travel from areas with outbreaks will save many more lives than doing the same for common diseases like the flu. Because Covid-19 spreads so quickly, it can easily overwhelm hospitals and thereby prevent people from getting the care they would otherwise receive under normal circumstances.

Overreactions

There are, however, mortal dangers in overreacting because measures to limit the spread of Covid-19 often have economic impacts that can cost lives. As detailed in the textbook Macroeconomics for Today, countries with low economic growth (https://www.justfacts.com/income_wealth_poverty#gdp) “are less able to satisfy basic needs for food, shelter, clothing, education, and health.” These hazards can manifest quickly and over extended periods of time.

If certain industries adopted the social distancing extremes that many people have embraced, this would shut down food production and distribution, health care, utilities, and other life-sustaining services. Even under far more moderate scenarios where people who are not in these industries shun work, all of those necessities and many more aspects of modern life depend on the general strength of the economy (https://www.justfacts.com/income_wealth_poverty). Thus, overreacting can ultimately kill more people than are saved.

The same applies to people who are flooding supermarkets (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-denver-grocery-stores/) to stockpile food, toilet paper, and other supplies. In doing so, they have often stood in close proximity to each other and touched the same items, which opens avenues to spread the disease (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/prevention.html). Panic buying also creates shortages (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/grocers-try-to-prevent-panic-buying-as-coronavirus-causes-stockpiling.html) that deprive typical consumers of provisions.

Likewise, panic can fuel suicides (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457675), which snuff out about 47,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf#page=35) lives per year in the U.S. at an average age of 46 years old (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls). Over a lifetime, that amounts to 132 million (https://www.justfacts.com/reference/covid-19_crucial_facts.xls) lost years of life—or 46 times the loss from Covid-19 if it ultimately kills 240,000 people.

The implications of overreacting to Covid-19 or any other potential hazard are aptly summarized in a teaching guide (https://www.amazon.com/Molecular-Biology-Biotechnology-Teachers-Paperback/dp/B010WF369O/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Book%3A+Molecular+Biology+and+Biotechnology%3A+A+Guide+for+Teacher+%283rd+editio n%29.&qid=1584430317&s=books&sr=1-1) published by the American Society for Microbiology. This book explains (https://www.justfacts.com/pollution#introduction) why “the factors driving your concept of risk—emotion or fact—may or may not seem particularly important to you, yet they are” because “there are risks in misperceiving risks.”

The Path Forward

Aggressive social distancing can extend the timeframe over which Covid-19 patients are infected and hospitalized, but it cannot by itself reduce those outcomes in the long run. This is because Covid-19 is so contagious that another outbreak will begin and quickly proliferate as soon as the distancing measures cease.

Hence, the Imperial College’s March 16th report (https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf) on Covid-19 states that in order to “avoid a rebound in transmission,” policies of “population-wide social distancing combined with home isolation of cases and school and university closure” must “be maintained until large stocks of vaccine are available to immunize the population—which could be 18 months or more.”

Moreover, the report notes that the “more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity.” A 2012 paper (https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/file?type=printable&id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001297) in the journal PLoS One about “Immunity in Society” underscores the importance of that point by noting that:
when a sufficiently high proportion of individuals within a population becomes immune (either through prior exposure or through mass vaccination), community or “herd” immunity emerges, whereby individuals that are poorly immunized are protected by the collective “immune firewall” provided by immunized neighbors. In humans and other vertebrate communities … responses to a previously encountered pathogen are faster and stronger than those to a novel pathogen, and thus individuals are better at blocking its spread. [Emphasis in original.]
Equally, if very few people are immune to a disease, they can transmit it to others instead of blocking it. Without a vaccine, the only way people can become immune to Covid-19 is by catching it and recovering. This means that too much social distancing may cause more deaths because young, healthy people—who would otherwise catch the disease, recover quickly, and become firewalls—remain as potential carriers.

However, social distancing can keep hospitalizations at reasonable levels so that victims receive proper care, and it can also buy time to discover and mass-produce effective treatments. This is a distinct possibility in the short term, for as Michael Farzan, co‐chair of the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research, has stated, the same physical feature of the virus that makes it so contagious also makes it:
very vulnerable to antibody neutralization, and thus it is a relatively easy virus to protect against. I refer to it as “stupid” on a spectrum where HIV, which lives in the face of an active immune system for years, is a “genius.”
President Trump has touted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241367239900778501) a small French study showing that treatment with a combination of two drugs, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, “is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients….” The study was published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996), and the 18 scholars who authored it wrote that the “results are promising” and “we recommend that Covid-19 patients be treated with” these drugs “to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people.” Nonetheless, media outlets have covered (https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F16%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F30%2F2020&ei=ULeDXpKEE_yIk74P6bi68A4&q=Trump+hydroxychloroquine+and+azithromycin+%28untested+OR+unproven+OR+%22not+a+doctor%22+OR+%22fals e+hope%22%29&oq=Trump+hydroxychloroquine+and+azithromycin+%28untested+OR+unproven+OR+%22not+a+doctor%22+OR+%22fal se+hope%22%29&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1D0SFjIlQFgxJ8BaAVwAHgAgAFOiAHMCZIBAjIymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiS7JSf1cXoAhV8xMQBHWmcDu4Q4dUDCAo&uact=5) this matter by reporting that Trump “is not a doctor” and that he shouldn’t hype “unproven” and “untested” treatments or give people “false hope.”

Theatrics aside, the FDA has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization#current) that allows doctors to treat certain hospitalized Covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine “when a clinical trial is not available or feasible.” The authors of the French study make clear (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996) that their “study has some limitations including a small sample size, limited long-term outcome follow-up, and dropout of six patients from the study, however in the current context, we believe that our results should be shared with the scientific community.”

During a March 14th press conference, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams asserted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwWIoGzjSa4) that “this situation will last longer, and more people will be hurt” if “we are complacent, selfish, uninformed,” and if “we spread fear, distrust, and misinformation.” Conversely, he said that “we will overcome this situation” if we “pitch in” and “share the facts.”

The vital facts above confirm the wisdom of his words.

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[Delight]

So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see :) ).

Wim Hof is on live today with Brian Rose. Brian Rose has been interviewing a wide spectrum of "alt thinkers" who appreciate the science/spirit connection. I can't summarize the video but the theme is that we are all already kings and queens and we crown ourselves by acting like ourselves. Breathing is the way we charge the body with life force and the technique he uses shuts down the inflammatory response.

Paraphrase.... "The life force itself... if we get control of it is innate capacity. If we spike it up, we crown ourselves"

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[greybeard]

Well gord thats some read.
May be wrong but what I got out of it is that its not as deadly ie death rate as seasonal flu.
That the current measures may actually lead to more deaths for a variety of causes.
Many other causes of death have a higher rate than this virus.
Happy to be corrected if I miss read it which, is possible as itsa long, long read for me.

[Delight]

Listening to Alex Jones
Listening to Mike Adams
Listening to David Icke
Listening to Dr Chris Martenson
Listening to Dr Roger Seheult
Listening to Dr Francis Boyle
Listening to Dr Shiva Ayyadurai
Listening to Dr Anthony Fauci (not recommended!)
It's a bioweapon
It was accidentally released
It was deliberately released
It came form China
It came from the US
It came from the seafood market
The virus doesn't exist at all
It'll come back in a second wave later in the year
We'll all be immune pretty soon, when herd immunity is reached
It's airborne
It's not airborne
It's only a collection of 5G symptoms, nothing more
(...and much, much, much else).


So "thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19" may not be all that helpful!
.........
We are in an age when having discovered probability waves, we find that they simply refuse to collapse.


Bill summarized a great number of ideas that some people at least find convincing. Is this not amazing in itself that the "real time" media extravaganza cannot hang together? The event cannot keep its story "straight".

Content of what we believe has shaped our whole lives. I have read terms like "Spector", the Octopus and others for an "umbrella" that covers all the influencers. There IS OBVIOUSLY an agenda to maintain the glamour of a collective paradigm over riding any "common sense" of what benefits humans and other living creatures. Listen to the first very small portion of this video as a statement.

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So, we have influencers and we agree in a sense by believing. Media broadcast has permeated every place. This may be relevant... TOO MUCH INFORMATION? The numbers of us to support the consensus seems to have broken some how? IMO the probability waves of the artificial creation (which David Icke said a long time ago "was hacked" from the organic) have ALL COLLAPSED at once. The whole facade has fallen over and the result is shattering.

Bill's list and the confounded inability to "see the same POV" regarding viruses for example, is evidence of the total fracture of the matrix. Fractally every piece is "the same" but "different" and crazy making.

A residual common reaction is a grasping attempt by many to shut us down into small manageable pieces. People will actually willingly accept a police state take over in reaction to this confused picture.



This is the time we must actually be ready to do something drastic. I think it is to use our skills for reality creation. "Simple techniques" to reconnect with our inner power exist and just need practice.

The faux matrix that was placed as a filter over the "organic matrix" needed our attention. (Organic matrix is the illusion we perceive of the earth experience in nature and SO PERFECT it HAD to be designed deliberately). Now it is our responsibility to claim OUR desired POV. That needs us to acknowledge how we do create reality by perception based on belief and that we are not passive recipients. IMO whatever we deeply THINK will happen to us... YES it will case by case one by one and "in time".

[Maunagarjana]

An interesting day today. :) If anyone doesn't know what the very remarkable Naadi Prophecies are, do read this thread.


Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64742-Naadi-Shastra-My-experience-with-Destiny)

In this video (and a previous longer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmE57sBrVeQ)), the coronavirus is described in detail, together with our efforts to combat it. The prophecies were made thousands of years ago, written on palm leaves and very carefully preserved. They look like this:

https://www.indiadivine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/veda-leaf1.jpg

Here's the very interesting recent video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zFKf84l7fA
Summary of the 19 minute video above:


There'll be a recognized Covid-19 "cure" by 12 April — i.e. today. They prophecies are that precise.



There'll be more lockdowns and public unrest, and possible uprisings. But step by step, the restrictions will be lifted at the end of May.



By the beginning of summer, life will be normal again. There'll be another outbreak in September, but not as bad as the current (first) outbreak.



To help yourself, strengthen your personal immune system. Avoid negativity and fear, eat green vegetables (freshly picked if possible), take tulsi (an Indian herb), basil (dark green is best), drink hot water regularly, and make sure your food is always fully cooked.

~~~

The prospect of a "cure" dated today implies that something may be publicly recognized or acknowledged. It seems to suggest that something will prominently change, or 'tip". Of course, it's not clear whether "today" refers to the time zone in Tamil Nadu (southern India), and maybe the "cure" will be acknowledged in India only. (Or maybe only in a scientific paper published today, to be widely recognized later.)

So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see :) ).


I hope there is a cure found today (even if it's not announced today). I don't have any hydroxychloroquine, but I have been taking zinc. I'll definitely get some Tulsi tea.

I'm currently watching Mystic Trip To India on Amazon Prime, a documentary about Craig Hamilton Parker's trip to India to meet the Naadi oracles.

[waves]

READER: This reply was moved from the 'we don't trust the statistics' thread along with the post I was asking to be moved. That's why it reads out of place here.

MODS: I am so so grateful you moved the Gord post of purely MSM statistics from the 'we don't trust the statistics' thread. Moving this request for it too might be very confusing to a reader of this thread, you can leave it, but you have my permission to delete this reply for good since you so kindly did move that post to the correct thread and it's a moot point here and totally irrelevant to this thread. THANK YOU.

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Just throwing stuff out there. This page....Crucial Facts About Covid-19[/URL] is pretty interesting....
Crucial Facts About Covid-19


Gord, the only thing not in the least 'pretty interesting' is why you rudely posted a gigantic summary of everything this thread has debunked as a gigantic fraud that the perps of the downfall of civilization as we knew it are trying to fool everyone into thinking.

What do you think this thread title means, Gord? Have you read a thing on it? Could you state what the strongest arguments so far presented are that completely demolish this sickening recap of the narrative that the most evil, parasitic organizations in human history want people to bow down, believe and self destruct their lives over?

I think I can speak for the participants of this thread who agree with the topic, respect the topic and would say your bloated article of lies this thread has clearly already debunked or is working hard to, that...

...your posted article should really be renamed:

CRUCIAL LIES ABOUT COVID-19 by JUST LIES, a fake non-profit organization fronting for parasites


*****BILL/MODS... PLEASE MOVE THIS GARBAGE 1000% INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS THREAD TO THE 'TRUST' THE STATISTICS THREAD




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[thepainterdoug]

Happy Easter all, keep the spirits up. im going to my sons girlfriend Katherins parents house for dinner. Last week a family relative , Joe , at 63 died on Friday.
Joe was healthy, came down with a fever, went really high, had hallucinations so went to the hospital, and in no time inturbation and dead all in 5 days.

no funeral, body disposed of I guess.

meanwhile, an update on my sister with HIV and kidney failure, doing fine, but never got Covid test results back, phone no was disconnected. not sure why.
regardless ,as of today, she feels good.

d

[Tintin]

Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Boris_Johnson_April_2020.mp4

[onawah]

A grim prospect: "Jensen told me: Take a Medicare patient who is diagnosed with simple non-COVID pneumonia. The hospital would receive a one-time Medicare lump-sum payout of $4600.

However, if that Medicare patient is diagnosed with COVID-19 pneumonia, the Medicare coverage is a one-time $13,000 payment. And if the hospital puts that COVID-19 pneumonia patient on a ventilator, the one-time payment is $39,000. NOTE: It doesn’t matter how long these patients stay in hospital—there is only going to be one lump-sum insurance payment.

So, I infer, there are several types of financial incentives for hospitals—

ONE: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19.

TWO: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19 who have light symptoms—making it easy to move them out of the hospital quickly.

THREE: Put as many COVID patients as possible on ventilators for as short a time as possible."
More on this from J. Rappoport here: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/12/state-senator-and-doctor-exposes-medicare-payouts-for-covid-19-patients/


A blogger named "libertymavenstock" published this a few days ago. I don't know anything about this person, or his/her credentials, but I found it most interesting.

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

Apr 5 · 8 min read

In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required…

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

Source:

https://archive.is/ONUmi

[Philippe]

THREE: Put as many COVID patients as possible on ventilators for as short a time as possible."
More on this from J. Rappoport here: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/12/state-senator-and-doctor-exposes-medicare-payouts-for-covid-19-patients/


About the ventilators in France. I listened to a contrarian doctor who explains that only 1 in 8 of the old patients will survive being put on ventilation. From the percentage that survives the greatest number will have life incapacitating consequences from this respiratory intervention. If patients would be honestly informed about what to expect many would accept their fate and prefer to go home to die. A significant number of beds in ICU would simply not be occupied.
Sorry not to give any preciser data or references. I just repeat from memory and inform because it is important to look through the fraud we are being subjected to.

[araucaria]

Content of what we believe has shaped our whole lives. I have read terms like "Spector", the Octopus and others for an "umbrella" that covers all the influencers. There IS OBVIOUSLY an agenda to maintain the glamour of a collective paradigm over riding any "common sense" of what benefits humans and other living creatures. Listen to the first very small portion of this video as a statement.

(...)

So, we have influencers and we agree in a sense by believing. Media broadcast has permeated every place. This may be relevant... TOO MUCH INFORMATION? The numbers of us to support the consensus seems to have broken some how? IMO the probability waves of the artificial creation (which David Icke said a long time ago "was hacked" from the organic) have ALL COLLAPSED at once. The whole facade has fallen over and the result is shattering.

Bill's list and the confounded inability to "see the same POV" regarding viruses for example, is evidence of the total fracture of the matrix. Fractally every piece is "the same" but "different" and crazy making.

A residual common reaction is a grasping attempt by many to shut us down into small manageable pieces. People will actually willingly accept a police state take over in reaction to this confused picture.



This is the time we must actually be ready to do something drastic. I think it is to use our skills for reality creation. "Simple techniques" to reconnect with our inner power exist and just need practice.

The faux matrix that was placed as a filter over the "organic matrix" needed our attention. (Organic matrix is the illusion we perceive of the earth experience in nature and SO PERFECT it HAD to be designed deliberately). Now it is our responsibility to claim OUR desired POV. That needs us to acknowledge how we do create reality by perception based on belief and that we are not passive recipients. IMO whatever we deeply THINK will happen to us... YES it will case by case one by one and "in time".

“Too much information?” YES.

I do not accept this notion of being stuck in an artificial matrix, at least not as it is often presented. To live in the “matrix” is to reify a state of mind, turn it into a thing. It is likely getting frustrated with a fiendishly difficult puzzle and deciding that not only it cannot be solved, it is not a real, fair puzzle at all. The frustration is a mere possibly passing state: with a little more practice, you in the future might find the solution. Or you may have made a mistake much earlier and would need to start again almost from scratch. Or you may need a little help.

The objective reality is that we ARE faced with a fiendishly difficult puzzle. We marvel at creatures surviving in extreme conditions on earth, but we need to realize that living as matter among matter in a universe made up of only 4% matter, this whole rocky planet is set in extreme conditions, “where the sun don’t shine”. Some get by in Siberian winters and tropical summers, but most crowd up in temperate regions that are relatively easier, except for the… overcrowding. Over eons, we have built up a huge amount of frustration that has been massively reified, but that reified frustration we call the matrix remains a subjective state of mind that can be overcome. We know we are close to despair when we proclaim that the entire universe is the work of the devil and there is nowhere to go. This feeling says nothing about the real nature of said universe. We have to work on the basis, i.e. accept Pascal’s wager, that it is a bona fide puzzle we can ultimately crack. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion&p=117607&viewfull=1#post117607

It would be like seeing a bottle of fine wine from the standpoint of the dregs in the bottom. Using this metaphor, the great art historian Warburg saw the same issue in a much more positive light, as “das Nachleben der Antike” (the survival of the ancient). The dregs are only a negative/evil thing when viewed as a matrix, namely a reified form of a negative feeling that is cut off from the major reality, which is a bottle of fine wine. When you see the entire system, not as different things but as a process, and a positive process, then the dregs are an integral part of that refining process; meaning that the quality of the dregs defines the quality of the wine. The dregs are the reification of that process, its matrix if you will, a vital ingredient but which will ultimately be decanted off.

Therein lies the twist: we act materialistically as though “objective reality” is the prize and the subjective state of mind something that gets in the way. The real prize is “subjective reality” with an enlarged subject (consciousness) where this “objective reality” is something to get out of the way. To change the analogy slightly, this makes sense if we think that we are keeping the place clean by clearing the sewers. Shifting sewage is a vital but thankless task, the dark side of running a beautiful city, and if we get stuck we may begin to feel like part of the sewage and that the sewer is all there is. Since the right state of mind is everything, focussing on the reality of the sewage is the wrong state of mind. My wife was telling me only yesterday how minor operations under hypnosis work: you are told to visualize something pleasant and faraway, like a Caribbean beach. 95% illusion (not delusion), but it gets the job done.

“Too much information?” YES. This is where anything positive being done in this direction has outgrown its usefulness: enough people have enough information to know they are dealing with sewage. More encouragement is needed. Being happy is the correct response to wanting to be very afraid and disgusted, the magical but also the logical solution. Happiness is a state of mind that can be reified by doing happy things. Purify your sewage into top quality dregs, which is ultimately no dregs at all. Nihilism is no shortcut to that goal.

[shaberon]

It looks like we can attribute our Trojan horse gift to a gathering of Biogen (https://www.wral.com/how-a-premier-u-s-drug-company-became-a-virus-super-spreader/19053390/) officers in Boston, who got together to celebrate how much money was coming from their new Alzheimer's drug earlier this year.

"...the virus was already silently spreading among Biogen’s senior executives, who did not know they had been infected days earlier at the company’s annual leadership meeting.

Biogen employees, most feeling healthy, boarded planes full of passengers. They drove home to their families. And they carried the virus to at least six states, the District of Columbia and three countries, outstripping the ability of local public health officials to trace the spread...The official count of those sickened— 99, including employees and their contacts, according to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health — includes only those who live in that state. The true number across the United States is certainly higher. The first two cases in Indiana were Biogen executives. So was the first known case in Tennessee, and six of the earliest cases in North Carolina."

From the company, no one died, all recovered. Back in the nursing homes, according to what AP was able to piece together--since no one is exactly tracking (https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/nursing-homes-deaths-soar-past-2-600-in-alarming-surge/19053133/) it--"The latest count of at least 3,621 deaths is up from about 450 deaths just 10 days ago."

There were only a couple of outbreaks before this distribution, which must be an important, if not the main, way it spread so far so fast.

[Adi]

Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Boris_Johnson_April_2020.mp4

It appears much has been aired in the public domain about the hospital stay of Boris Johnson, due to Covid-19. It is an impressive recovery for a man, like himself; overweight; middle aged; male; to go from the Intensive Care Unit, to home, all within a timeframe of 72 hours. In times like this (in the middle of a pandemic) the criteria to determine an appropriate admission to ICU/ITU would suggest he was very ill at the time of his admission to the unit; which makes the idea of him going to hospital “just for tests” two days previously, a bit odd! He appears now not to be exhibiting breathlessness or cough, and striding purposefully. It is a remarkable recovery, to say the least.

Having worked in healthcare, with exposure to acute and intensive care settings, I (personally) haven’t seen a post-ICU patient appearing so well!

Indeed, he is the PM and he will have special care; but that still does not explain the ICU admission—where there would be a far greater risk for contracting the virus—and now he appears as fresh as a daisy! To me, it does not add up.


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[justntime2learn]

Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Boris_Johnson_April_2020.mp4
The entire video is Boris thanking the doctors and nurses by name without mention of his treatment.

Does anyone know if it has or will be made public?

[Dick]

From the Dutch news site today:


WHO: Seventy possible corona vaccines in the making, three tested on humans
April 13, 2020 11:28 AM
Last update: 5 hours ago

Scientists worldwide are working on a total of seventy candidate vaccines against COVID-19, according to an overview by the world health organization WHO. Three of the corona vaccines are already being tested on humans.

Researchers do their best to develop a vaccine in the shortest possible time. Normally this takes about fifteen years due to the extensive safety tests. Several governments have expressed the hope that a vaccine will be available in one to two years, but this is anything but certain.

Three companies are now testing their candidate vaccines on humans. The most advanced is Hong Kong manufacturer CanSino. The company uses technology developed during research into a vaccine for Ebola. The other two companies are American.

Moderna, one of the two American companies, was given permission last week to test directly on humans and skip animal testing. Incidentally, the company has never marketed a product. The other American company, Inovio, started testing people's own candidate vaccine last week.

Currently, vaccines or effective medical treatments against the effects of the virus are probably the best way out of the corona crisis. Current measures such as social distancing and lockdowns slow down the spread enough to relieve care, but are not expected to eradicate the virus.

[anandacate]

Apr 10, 2020 (10:27)
This doctor is on fire! We need more like him.

St Louis Doctor has had enoughshBlwyrBii0

[spade]

Having worked in healthcare, with exposure to acute and intensive care settings, I (personally) haven’t seen a post-ICU patient appearing so well!

Hydroxychloroquine no? Duhh... what’s that? Anecdotal evidence and bad side effects - death possibly? No?! Orange man bad!!!!

[spade]

Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Boris_Johnson_April_2020.mp4
The entire video is Boris thanking the doctors and nurses by name without mention of his treatment.

Does anyone know if it has or will be made public?

It this obvious by now? Orange man bad pills (via IV for ICU) no intubation. Went to my local pharmacist lately, she said all the orange man bad pills were bought up by the hospitals. The hospitals would then, by a social credit score decide who lives and who dies.

[greybeard]

Fox News Contributor Compares Coronavirus to the Flu, Claims It’s ‘Not a Pandemic’
The Daily Beast Justin Baragona,The Daily Beast

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-contributor-compares-coronavirus-151930804.html


Fox News contributor Bill Bennett insisted on Monday morning that the novel coronavirus that has killed over 22,000 Americans in roughly a month isn’t a pandemic at all, instead comparing it to the seasonal flu.

Appearing on Fox & Friends, Bennett—who previously served as education secretary under President Ronald Reagan—argued that the threat of COVID-19 has long been overstated and that strict social-distancing guidelines have been unnecessary.

Referencing a recent op-ed he wrote in which he compared the current death toll from coronavirus to those of drug overdoses and diabetes, Bennett noted that a current model projects 60,000 Americans will die from COVID-19.

“61,000 is what we lost to the flu in 2017 and 2018,” Bennett declared. “The flu. Now, we all regret the loss of 61,000 people, if that’s what it turns out to be. I’m going to tell you I think it’s going to be less.”

“But if you look at those numbers and see the comparable, we’re going to have fewer fatalities from this than from the flu,” he added.

Bennett went on to grouse that “we scared the hell out of the American people” and put a “major dent in the economy” over the virus before asserting that the disease’s impact shouldn’t have caused mass closings and physical-distancing restrictions.

“This was not and is not a pandemic, but we do have panic and pandemonium as a result of the hype of this and it’s really unfortunate to look at the facts,” he proclaimed.

Co-host Brian Kilmeade, for his part, did respond that “it is labeled a pandemic” while also agreeing with Bennett that COVID-19 has a high survival rate. Currently, the mortality rate from coronavirus in the United States is at 4 percent and medical databases show one in ten middle-aged hospitalized coronavirus patients do not survive. The seasonal flu, meanwhile, has a fatality rate of 0.1 percent.

Fox News came under fire last month for severely downplaying the threat of the virus prior to President Donald Trump declaring a national emergency in mid-March with opinion hosts and commentators repeatedly comparing the deadly virus to the flu, saying that was the “worst-case scenario.”

While Fox News brass has taken the pandemic seriously as several of its employees have been diagnosed with COVID-19, pro-Trump Fox News stars have pivoted back to minimizing the crisis while calling for the president to quickly re-open the country and economy.

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Tracking app aims for one million downloads
By Jane Wakefield Technology reporter

25 March 2020
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52033210

Coronavirus pandemic

Image caption The app is available on Apple's app store and Google Play

An app that tracks the symptoms of Covid-19 in the UK has become one of the most popular downloads.

Its creators aim to deliver insights into why some people get the disease more severely than others.

They also hope to create a map showing where outbreaks are happening and help distinguish cases from those of the common cold.

It is one of many such new apps. Experts have warned people to be cautious about which they download.

At present, Covid Symptom Tracker is the third most popular app in Apple's UK store and second in Google Play's new releases chart for the country.

Its developers are targeting one million downloads in 24 hours.

The program has been shared thousands of times via WhatsApp and other social-media platforms.

Created in just three days by researchers at Guy's and St Thomas' hospitals and King's College London university, in conjunction with the nutrition advice start-up Zoe, it has already reached 750,000 downloads and, according to its developers, is being installed at a rate of 50,000 times an hour.
Home-testing kit

The app was the brainchild of Prof Tim Spector, a genetic epidemiologist at King's College, who has specialised in the genetics and medical histories of twins for the past 25 years.

"I was rather depressed as they were shutting down everything in the university and I thought that twins are the best studied people in the country, so how can we use that information in this crisis?" he told BBC News.

Initially, the app was made available only to the twins taking part in his studies, who were sent a home-testing kit to better understand which symptoms corresponded to the coronavirus.

But the professor realised it could be scaled up to the general public, without the testing element.
Temperature reading

"The NHS hasn't come up with a better alternative and this app seems to be working," he said.

"We are hoping to get to one million downloads by the end of the day and we will also be ready to release data by then for the NHS, data modellers and researchers to play with."

The software requires users to share personal details, including their age, height and medical history.

It then asks them to describe symptoms, if they have any, on a daily basis, as well as to give a temperature reading.
Critically unwell

Prof Spector said it could potentially help the NHS:

learn how fast the virus is spreading in a particular area, as well as highlighting high-risk parts of the country
better understand the symptoms, including the differences between those of the virus and the common cold
explain why some people develop a mild illness while others become critically unwell

A spokeswoman for Zoe told BBC News all shared data would be anonymised and not used for any commercial purpose. And users could delete all their records when the crisis was over.

But as spam and malware skyrocket on the back of the pandemic, one expert said people would be wise to be cautious about downloading other apps purporting to help tackle coronavirus.

"I am concerned by the rash of websites and apps intended to allow people to report of their Covid-19 symptoms," said privacy expert Pat Walshe.
'Dubious ethics'

"I've found it difficult or impossible to determine who is behind a number of them.

"They do not adopt appropriate standards of compliance with data protection law and I see dubious ethics.

"Could an app help? Yes, possibly. But I think we need the NHS to coordinate it in order to provide confidence, trust and protection."

Prof Spector agrees people need to be careful.

"There are lots of scams out there and bogus things trying to get your details," he said.

People wishing to download the Covid-19 tracker can do so from Apple and Google's app stores.



And https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214755/NHS-discussed-allowing-coronavirus-app-identify-people-using-mobile-phone-ID.html

[AuCo]

An interesting day today. :) If anyone doesn't know what the very remarkable Naadi Prophecies are, do read this thread.


Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64742-Naadi-Shastra-My-experience-with-Destiny)

In this video (and a previous longer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmE57sBrVeQ)), the coronavirus is described in detail, together with our efforts to combat it. The prophecies were made thousands of years ago, written on palm leaves and very carefully preserved. They look like this:

https://www.indiadivine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/veda-leaf1.jpg

Here's the very interesting recent video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zFKf84l7fA
Summary of the 19 minute video above:


There'll be a recognized Covid-19 "cure" by 12 April — i.e. today. They prophecies are that precise.



There'll be more lockdowns and public unrest, and possible uprisings. But step by step, the restrictions will be lifted at the end of May.



By the beginning of summer, life will be normal again. There'll be another outbreak in September, but not as bad as the current (first) outbreak.



To help yourself, strengthen your personal immune system. Avoid negativity and fear, eat green vegetables (freshly picked if possible), take tulsi (an Indian herb), basil (dark green is best), drink hot water regularly, and make sure your food is always fully cooked.

~~~

The prospect of a "cure" dated today implies that something may be publicly recognized or acknowledged. It seems to suggest that something will prominently change, or 'tip". Of course, it's not clear whether "today" refers to the time zone in Tamil Nadu (southern India), and maybe the "cure" will be acknowledged in India only. (Or maybe only in a scientific paper published today, to be widely recognized later.)

So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see :) ).

ZeroHedge has an article about China shut down over the weekend a promising study of Covid-19 cure: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-obstructs-hunt-coronavirus-cure-canceling-promising-gilead-study

[Wind]

I wanted to post this to the main corona thread where as many people as possible could see it.

"When faced with a radical crisis, when the old way of being in the world, of interacting with each other and with the realm of nature doesn't work anymore, when survival is threatened by seemingly insurmountable problems, an individual life-form -- or a species -- will either die or become extinct or rise above the limitations of its condition through an evolutionary leap." ~ Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

The Day The Earth Stood Still - It's only on the brink that people find the will to change

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[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Patients have suffered strokes and other neurological symptoms, says study
Sky News Alexander J Martin, technology reporter,Sky News

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-patients-suffered-strokes-other-neurological-symptoms-says-155200137.html

Patients with COVID-19 have suffered strokes and other neurological symptoms, according to the first scientific study to analyse the effects of the disease on the brain.

The study found that neurological effects were seen in just over a third of all cases of hospitalised COVID-19 patients, but affected more than 45% of those with severe infections.

It isn't yet clear if the coronavirus is causing the strokes directly or as a result of the body's inflammatory response, and leading neurologists say more research is needed.

They warn that as well as respiratory symptoms, doctors need to consider potential neurological effects when assessing new patients.

The study was carried out by researchers at Huazhong University in Wuhan, and the Barrow Neurological Institute in Arizona.

The team analysed cases in Wuhan in China, the original epicentre of the outbreak, between 16 January and 19 February - including 214 hospitalised patients whose diagnoses were laboratory-confirmed.

Just over a third of these patients, 78 (36.4%), had neurological symptoms as well as respiratory symptoms.

"Compared with patients with non-severe infection, patients with severe infection were older, had more underlying disorders, especially hypertension, and showed fewer typical symptoms of COVID-19, such as fever and cough," they found.

The study, in the journal JAMA, was published alongside an editorial by leading neurologists which notes the similarity of the coronavirus to SARS - which researchers have shown caused strokes.

However, unlike in SARS patients, the new study found that neurological symptoms could occur very early within the infection.

Some patients presented at hospital without a fever but had neurological issues including losing their taste or smell, as well more significant impacts such as impaired consciousness, headaches and dizziness.

The scientists warn that the disease may infect the "nervous system and skeletal muscle as well as [the] respiratory tract" which could provide healthcare workers with an additional way to diagnose patients.

COVID-19 has "now reached pandemic status and is common all over the world" said the neurologists in their editorial.

"With so many affected patients, we can expect as neurologists to be confronted with these patients commonly in coming months and years."

Chris says Yes, but being as heart problems are the number one cause of deaths -what really caused the death?
Was the virus a contributory factor or just the result of a flawed test.

[silvanelf]

In short: false-positive test results during the recovery phase may happen, they do not indicate a re-infection or re-activation. That's a statement from a well-known virologist Christian Drosten, director of Charité Virology in Berlin.

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[Goba]

Eerily close I think ...

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[greybeard]

Peter Hitchens coronavirus interview: Is the government lockdown reasonable?

Peter Hitchens is an author and columnist for the Mail on Sunday.

He is a lonely dissenting voice, arguing that the UK government's approach to tackling coronavirus is disproportionate to the threat it presents.

While the state's advice is to stay at home and socially distance from others, Hitchens says he's concerned the economic consequence of such will be worse than the virus itself.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJa4YtW7as

[greybeard]

David Icke, 5G and the London Real Interview

Richard James Rogers, bestselling author, blogger and teacher, describes his thoughts on the recent interview that David Icke had in which he discussed 5G and its effects on human health.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7jTkXYtH04

[greybeard]

COVID-19 IS A TYPE OF FLU: How A Strong Immune System Can Protect From Coronavirus | Dr Bruce Lipton

Watch our full episode with Dr. Bruce Lipton for FREE on our website here: https://londonreal.tv/dr-bruce-lipton...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9BuqEo5rSY

Reminding -- All my posts are "Maybe so"
Its important to be open minded.
Chris
Ps I thought I would research Bruce Lipton to see if he was expert enough to declare this is a Flu.
Seems he is a lot more expert than most.
Ch
About Bruce Lipton

Bruce H. Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.

Dr. Lipton began his scientific career as a cell biologist. He received his Ph.D. Degree from the University of Virginia at Charlottesville before joining the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine in 1973. Dr. Lipton’s research on muscular dystrophy, studies employing cloned human stem cells, focused upon the molecular mechanisms controlling cell behavior. An experimental tissue transplantation technique developed by Dr. Lipton and colleague Dr. Ed Schultz and published in the journal Science was subsequently employed as a novel form of human genetic engineering.

In 1982, Dr. Lipton began examining the principles of quantum physics and how they might be integrated into his understanding of the cell’s information processing systems. He produced breakthrough studies on the cell membrane, which revealed that this outer layer of the cell was an organic homologue of a computer chip, the cell’s equivalent of a brain. His research at Stanford University’s School of Medicine, between 1987 and 1992, revealed that the environment, operating though the membrane, controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell, turning genes on and off. His discoveries, which ran counter to the established scientific view that life is controlled by the genes, presaged one of today’s most important fields of study, the science of epigenetics. Two major scientific publications derived from these studies defined the molecular pathways connecting the mind and body. Many subsequent papers by other researchers have since validated his concepts and ideas.

Dr. Lipton’s novel scientific approach transformed his personal life as well. His deepened understanding of cell biology highlighted the mechanisms by which the mind controls bodily functions, and implied the existence of an immortal spirit. He applied this science to his personal biology, and discovered that his physical well-being improved, and the quality and character of his daily life was greatly enhanced.

Dr. Lipton has taken his award-winning medical school lectures to the public and is currently a sought after keynote speaker and workshop presenter. He lectures to conventional and complementary medical professionals and lay audiences about leading-edge science and how it dovetails with mind-body medicine and spiritual principles. He has been heartened by anecdotal reports from hundreds of former audience members who have improved their spiritual, physical and mental well being by applying the principles he discusses in his lectures. He is regarded as one of the leading voices of the new biology.

[mountain_jim]

Michigan Dem (dim?) governor who earlier banned hydroxychloroquine, continues to amaze

https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248653376931258370?s=20

1248653376931258370


https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248739296535891968?s=20

1248739296535891968

[Billy]

https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-trump-turns-fire-on-bill-gates-who-cuts-off-funding-in-bold-move/


WASHINGTON D.C – President Trump has just cut-off the WHO from funds, in an order carried out on Tuesday. The president is demanding that questions are answered surrounding their failure to warn the international community on the nature of the coronavirus.

The WHO receives tremendous funding from Bill Gates’s supposed philanthropy. Trump’s order will affect the part of the WHO’s funding that comes from the US government. As a consequence, much of WHO’s policies especially in areas of family planning and vaccination policy world-wide, are heavily influenced by a number of Bill Gates’ controlled groups, including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Linsey McGoey, Professor of Sociology at the University of Essex, UK, and author of No Such Thing as a Free Gift: The Gates Foundation and the Price of Philanthropy, is profoundly skeptical of philanthropy as a whole, claiming it can actually sometimes harm democracy in the long run: “Philanthropy can and is being used deliberately to divert attention away from different forms of economic exploitation that underpin global inequality today” she told MintPress News.

As Foreign Affairs noted, “few policy initiatives or normative standards set by the World Health Organization are announced before they have been casually, unofficially vetted by Gates Foundation staff.” In this sense, his wealth is extraordinarily anti-democratic, giving him veto power over the decisions and directions of organizations that should be collectively made by the highest representatives of the world’s population, not by one very rich man. And Gates is far from omnipotent, holding many of the patronizing assumptions about developing countries and how best to organize the world that one would expect a rich American tech geek to hold.

McGoey spells out the problem with this corporate attitude to development:

The Gates Foundation has spent twenty years relentlessly championing ‘business solutions’ to inequality and poverty. Through this corporate approach, Mr. Gates personally and the Gates Foundation more generally have enhanced the power and clout of corporations at every level of decision-making, at the regional, national and international level. The Gates Foundation has helped make philanthropy a handmaiden to corporate power rather than helped to empower the non-profit sector to act as a check on corporate profiteering and abuses of power.”

Trump’s criticisms of the WHO mount

The president criticized the WHO for criticizing his travel ban on China during the early days of the coronavirus pandemic.

While it would appear that Trump’s punitive measures aimed at the WHO are in fact meant to continue to draw a line in the sand between his policy and those of Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci, Trump chose a cautious path in attacking the WHO’s early recommendations. Trump believes that these recommendations were misleading, and tended to aid in the spread of the virus.

“The WHO’s attack on travel restrictions put political correctness above life-saving measures,” Trump said.


This decision was announced by the president at a press conference in the Rose Garden on Tuesday.

Furthermore, the president articulated that the WHO played a role in “mismanaging and covering up” the rates of coronavirus contagion in its earliest stages around the world.

“The WHO pushed China’s misinformation about the virus, saying it was not communicable and there was no need for travel bans,” he said.

Trump further cast aspersions on the Gates dominated global health group for relying too much on Chinese information, despite the United States paying a majority of their funding. In Trump’s view, the US should not be funding any organization which places the lives of Americans in jeopardy.

“The WHO’s reliance on China’s disclosures likely caused a twenty-fold of cases worldwide, and it may be much more than that,” he said.

Trump went further to point out that the WHO had not investigated information found to be credible relating to the virus itself. Based on his assessments, China withheld critical information and in addition, the WHO itself did not acquire samples of the virus so that other scientists could begin to investigate the nature of the novel corona virus which causes Covid-19

Tying the WHO’s mismanagement to Chinese policy, the president castigated China for spreading false information and for disappearing medical researchers who were critical of the initial Chinese response at the end of last year.

“Had the WHO done its job to get medical experts into China to objectively assess the situation on the corned and to call out China’s lack of transparency, the outbreak could have been contained at its source,” he said.

Trump’s freeze on funding is pending a review – it appears that the president is looking for an apology and full disclosure from the organization. Such information may furthermore help investigators understand the real connection between the WHO policy and the influence of Bill Gates.

“If we cannot trust that, this is what we will receive from the WHO, our country will be forced to find other ways to work with other nations to achieve public health goals,” Trump said.

Source.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-trump-turns-fire-on-bill-gates-who-cuts-off-funding-in-bold-move/

[Goba]

In Switzerland, a "corona-critical" doctor was arrested by a special police unit for alleged "threats against relatives and authorities" and sent to a psychiatric clinic. The family meanwhile declared that there had been no threats against relatives. The doctor also stated that he was not accused of "threats against authorities" during the interrogation. The police justified the deployment of the special unit by assuming that the doctor was in possession of a weapon - but this was the usual Swiss medical pistol without ammunition. The transfer of the doctor to a psychiatric clinic was justified on the grounds of an alleged "incapacity to take responsibility" (as is the case, for example, with nursing cases) - this, too, should be seen as a pretext. Based on the current state of knowledge, it can therefore be assumed that psychiatry is possibly politically motivated, as it had a dark tradition in Switzerland for decades until the 1980s. Internationally, former US congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has already drawn attention to the Swiss case, which is somewhat reminiscent of practices in the former Soviet Union.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

https://swprs.org/covid-19-hinweis-ii/

[greybeard]

What coronavirus means for the global economy | Ray Dalio
A TED talk

"I'm a capitalist. I believe in the system. I believe you can increase the size of the pie and you could divide it well," says Ray Dalio, founder of Bridgewater Associates. He offers wide-ranging insight and advice on how we might recover from the global economic fallout of the coronavirus crisis -- and use it as an opportunity to reform the systems that help grow our economy. (This virtual conversation is part of the TED Connects series, hosted by head of TED Chris Anderson and business curator Corey Hajim. Recorded April 8, 2020.)

The TED Talks channel features the best talks and performances from the TED Conference, where the world's leading thinkers and doers give the talk of their lives in 18 minutes (or less). Look for talks on Technology, Entertainment and Design -- plus science, business, global issues, the arts and more. You're welcome to link to or embed these videos, forward them to others and share these ideas with people you know. For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), submit a Media Request here: http://media-requests.TED.com



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrxYhv2O3wU

[greybeard]

The six things that need to happen for countries to lift coronavirus lockdown, according to the WHO
Yahoo News UK Jimmy Nsubuga,Yahoo News

More on the link.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-world-heath-organisation-lockdown-lifted-181654816.html

The World Health Organisation (WHO) has said there are six things that need to happen before countries lift their coronavirus lockdowns.

In a letter released on Tuesday, the international body said the transmission had to be controlled first of all.

It added the second measure that had to be met was capacities were in place to detect, test, isolate and treat every case and trace every contact.

Thirdly, it said outbreak risks had to be minimised in special settings like health facilities and nursing homes.

The fourth hurdle was that preventive measures were in place in workplaces, schools and other places where it’s essential for people to go.

Read more: London's NHS Nightingale 'largely empty' and ‘only had 19 patients’ over Easter
Mask delivery by Proteccion Civil at train stations in Mostoles, Spain. April 13, 2020. (Photo by A. Ware/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Spain has allowed some non-essential employees to go back to work (Picture: Getty)

The fifth was that importation risks can be managed and sixth, communities are fully educated, engaged and empowered to adjust to the “new norm”.

The WHO also advised on Wednesday countries that ease restrictions should wait at least two weeks to evaluate the impact of such changes before easing them again.

Some of the countries hardest-hit by the virus are now considering lifting lockdowns and beginning the transition toward a resumption of normal life.
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The WHO update said any such steps should be taken gradually, with time to evaluate their impact before new steps are taken.

It said: “To reduce the risk of new outbreaks, measures should be lifted in a phased, step-wise manner based on an assessment of the epidemiological risks and socioeconomic benefits of lifting restrictions on different workplaces, educational institutions, and social activities...

“Ideally there would be a minimum of 2 weeks (corresponding to the incubation period of COVID-19) between each phase of the transition, to allow sufficient time to understand the risk of new outbreaks and to respond appropriately.”

It warned the “risk of re-introduction and resurgence of the disease will continue”.

US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he would halt funding to the WHO over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

The WHO’s special envoy for the outbreak, David Nabarro, said that any recriminations should be left until after the virus has been defeated.

He added: “If in the process you decide you want to declare that you’re going to withdraw funding or make other comments about the WHO, remember this is not just the WHO, this is the whole public health community that is involved right now.”

[shaberon]

The federal government just reached the $349 billion lending limit for its Paycheck Protection Program, which sends relief money to small businesses during the coronavirus pandemic. The Small Business Administration says it has approved more than 1.6 million loans during the course of COVID-19.


Since there are thousands still trying to get this, there may be another chance, if Congress approves another quarter trillion disbursement.

If you got a personal stimulus early because of direct deposit, and you are in collections, your stimulus may be collected. Cash is safer.



The local deaths have "doubled quickly" (72 to 149), which makes sense. The major hospitals carved out up to 60% of their regular business to make room, and now at the level of 450 hospitalizations due to the virus, are thinking about getting back to people who have postponed their procedures.

It is probably best if New York makes their own rules; I am not that interested in WHO or the president telling me what to do. We have a governor. Fortunately he's not as much of a grifter as the federal senator.

I went out after five p. m. and the store was open. I'm just not seeing a pestilence locally despite the spread.

[Delight]

Because we are all looking at what is happening (being locked down with nothing else to do), many people are getting mad enough to do something. Many protests are forming.

I still see this epicsode as being evidence that the artificially laid out matrix we were manipulated to believe is shattered. So many people are rising up to know we want change. We are being forced to re-evaluate and act in our own interests. This is high lighting what people living daily lives know is important. NO way will people just acquiesce to irrational demands and agree to tyranny.

As usual, IMO the Highwire is opened minded and yet brains don't fall out. It asks good questions.

TZG1g2extsM

[shaberon]

This is all a big experiment since we will find different regional behaviors crossed with competition by various types of new medical treatments.

Michigan sounds like it is what I would call starting to boil. Maybe that is the second worst place right now. In some perspective, an acerbic word from New York (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55062.htm) does not speak well for unity:

"We snap at each other, enemies now, each a potential carrier. This is a not a city which lends itself to personal space without a flash of aggressive eye contact. Walk without a mask and someone will snap at you. Two guys hissing something in Spanish at an Asian woman. Lines to enter the food store with everyone watching like North Korean border guards for sneaks. SNL and late night never mocked Bush in the immediate 9/11 aftermath. If we ever were One we are not now. Because we are for certain not all in this together..." as the governor apparently claimed, before showing how much worse things are for poor people. There are so many, if you only counted them, it would still be the seventh largest city in the country. The author thinks that whatever was good about the place is gone.

I am not sure where everyone gets their fentanyl. The large bust in Dayton has recently been followed by one found in Kansas (https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article241106201.html) also headed for Dayton, and this seems to be "fake pills" made in Mexico with fentanyl added. Mexico's supply appears to be Chinese (https://www.ptcommunity.com/journal/article/full/2019/12/opioid-crisis-and-what-has-been-learned).

If most of the so-called illegal opium comes out of Afghanistan, it could be mentioned that on the other side, Iran finds hundreds of tons flowing through and has lost thousands of its own police trying to stop it. This traffic is generally considered headed for Europe. But I have no clue how the legal opium of J&J and others is produced.

The main trials would have started in Ohio except things in that area were settled:

Teva Pharmaceuticals and three of the nation's biggest drug distributors — McKesson, Cardinal Health and AmerisourceBergen — agreed to settlements with the two Ohio counties amounting to roughly $260 million.

This is actually being scrapped and rebuilt as a treatment program:

OxyContin manufacturer Purdue Pharma had been on that list, until it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection as part of a settlement deal announced last month (Sept. 2019).

21 states (https://www.businessinsider.com/states-rejected-an-18-billion-offer-to-settle-opioid-epidemic-2020-2) are rejecting settlements. New York (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/opioid-manufacturers-and-distributors-denied-effort-push-back-opioid-trial) demanded a trial that opened March 20.

I did not know that insane opium war went off at the same time as insane virus outbreak, but, it is a part of them being told "twenty-six billion is not enough". So I suppose they would have motive to want to make new vaccines and so forth, above and beyond the norms of business.

I wouldn't want to make connections that aren't there, but Big Pharma unusual loss is uncomfortably close to Big Pharma unusual gain, in the timing of it.

[Lilybee8]

:sherlock::sherlock::sherlock::sherlock::sherlock:
This is interesting. Either the virus is changing, or people are.

(Meaning, 'younger' people may be over-confident about being 'immune', and aren't taking nearly enough care not to become infected. And many 'younger' people have poor diets, poor lifestyles, and compromised immune systems, too.)



https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-03-20-intl/index.html




North Carolina says 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49

Dr. Mandy K. Cohen, secretary of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS), announced Friday that 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49. So far, 29% are age 50-64 and 20% are age 65 and up, Cohen said.

Very interesting, has this virus mutated? Is this necessarily a bad thing? I mean younger people have more chances of developing antibodies and surviving so technically this virus could reduce or dissipate faster? here In El Paso, Tx of the 393 cases 85% of the positive COVID19 patients are younger than 50yo to youngest as 6yo

[Luke Holiday]

Flu Misinformation and Coronavirus Fears: My Letter to Dr. Sanjay Gupta
4/16/20

Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/

Wow... an absolutely amazing amazing article...enjoy!!


By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

Dear Sanjay,

Last week, your CNN producer, Matthew Reynard, notified me that CNN is featuring me in a documentary about “vaccine misinformation”. As usual, Mr. Reynard did not point out a single factual assertion by me that was incorrect (I carefully source all of my statements about vaccines to government databases or peer-reviewed publications). CNN uses the term “vaccine misinformation” as a euphemism for any statement that departs from the Government / Pharma orthodoxy that all vaccines are safe, necessary, and effective for all people.

I respectfully point out that CNN and particularly you, Sanjay, are today among the most prolific broadcasters of ‘vaccine misinformation.’

I have always admired you, Sanjay. Your obvious talents aside, you seem to be genuinely compassionate and to value integrity. Earlier in your career, you showed a courageous willingness to challenge Big Pharma’s vaccine orthodoxies. However, I respectfully point out that CNN and particularly you, Sanjay, are today among the most prolific broadcasters of “vaccine misinformation”. Over the last several years, I cannot recall seeing a single substantial CNN segment on vaccines that did not include easily verified factual misstatements. CNN’s recent special, “Pandemic”, was a showcase of erroneous assertions about the flu vaccine.

Since I don’t like to think that you deliberately mislead the public—particularly about critical public health choices—I have taken the time to point out some of your most frequent errors.

I hope you will take time to read this. This critique has special relevance during the current coronavirus crisis, not to mention its important implications for the roles of government and press in a democracy. CNN and other media outlets treat CDC, NIH, and WHO pronouncements as infallible truths. In fact, regulatory capture has made these agencies subsidiaries of Big Pharma, and the lies that CDC has been telling us about flu are now muddying the debate over coronavirus.

Furthermore, of the mere 257 cases that could reasonably be blamed on the flu in CDC’s mortality data, only 7 percent were laboratory confirmed cases of influenza.

1. CNN assertion: In your annual flu shot promotions, you routinely parrot CDC’s estimates of overall flu deaths which have ranged in recent years from 36,000 for the 1990-1991 flu season to 80,000 for the 2017-2018 flu season.

Fact: The HHS’s mortality and morbidity data—available on the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) website—show that CDC’s (and CNN’s) annual estimates are off by orders of magnitude.

NCHS data report the average number of mortalities attributable to influenza on death certificates is little more than 1,000. CDC devises its inflated estimate by deliberately conflating flu deaths with pneumonia deaths. This device is deceitful since most of these fatalities are unrelated to the flu (and therefore, impervious to flu vaccines).

In 2005, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) Editor, Dr. Peter Doshi, published a comprehensive rebuke of CDC’s annual ritual of exaggerating flu mortalities entitled “Dissecting CDC’s Deception: Are US Flu Death Figures More PR Than Science?” Doshi accuses the CDC of purposefully inflating flu deaths to frighten the public into purchasing vaccines. To illustrate CDC’s chicanery, Doshi observed that CDC’s announced number of reported pneumonia and influenza deaths in 2001 at 62,034.
Yet less than half of one percent of those were actually attributed to influenza. Furthermore, of the mere 257 cases that could reasonably be blamed on the flu in CDC’s mortality data, only 7 percent were laboratory confirmed cases of influenza. That’s 18 lab confirmed influenza cases out of 62,034 “pneumonia and influenza” deaths—or just 0.03 percent, according to HHS’s own National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).

Subtracting pneumonia, the true number of influenza-associated deaths from 1979 to 2002 averaged 1,348, according to the NCHS data. CNN routinely reports figures forty times this number.

Dr. Doshi charges the CDC with deliberately lying about annual flu deaths to “[work] in manufacturers’ interest by conducting campaigns to increase flu vaccination”. He warns that “by arbitrarily linking flu with pneumonia, current data are statistically biased.”

By faithfully parroting CDC inflated numbers—with no due diligence—CNN has made itself complicit in this annual charade, making it difficult now to accurately assess the relative risk of COVID-19 as compared to flu and, therefore, rationally measure an appropriate response.

… 2010 meta-analysis of published influenza vaccine studies found that the influenza vaccination has no effect on hospitalization, and that there is no evidence that vaccines prevent viral transmission or complications.

2. CNN assertion: CNN routinely promotes the flu shot for everyone older than 6 months, proclaiming that the best way to protect against serious cases of the ailment “is to get a flu shot”.

Fact: In reality, there is absolutely no scientific basis for the CDC’s assertion that the influenza vaccine is the most effective way to prevent the flu.

The Cochrane Collaboration’s comprehensive 2010 meta-analysis of published influenza vaccine studies found that the influenza vaccination has “no effect” on hospitalization, and that there is “no evidence that vaccines prevent viral transmission or complications.”

The Cochrane Researchers concluded in 2010 that the scientific evidence “seem[s] to discourage the utilization of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.”

Four years later, Cochrane published a follow-up meta-review including dozens of more recent scientific studies and again concluded bluntly that the body of scientific data provides “no evidence for the utilization of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.”

In other words, despite CNN’s relentless hectoring, there is no scientific evidence that all the billions of dollars America spends on influenza vaccination each year actually provides any health benefit, much less a net economic benefit—apart from the financial windfall to the four pharmaceutical companies that manufacture these vaccines—and who happen to be among CNN’s top advertisers.

A study published in PNAS] found that influenza vaccination actually increased transmission of the virus, with vaccinated individuals shedding more than six times as much aerosolized virus in their breath than unvaccinated individuals.
3. CNN assertion: You and CNN frequently parrot CDC’s claim that a flu shot reduces the chances that an individual will transmit the flu to others. Pandemic repeated this assertion. CNN offers this supposed benefit as the justification for school vaccine mandates.

Fact: However, in their 2010 systematic meta review of the literature, the Cochrane researchers found “no evidence that vaccines prevent viral transmission or complications”.

Even more worrisome, a study from January 18, 2018, in the Journal of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, PNAS, found that influenza vaccination actually increased transmission of the virus, with vaccinated individuals shedding more than six times as much aerosolized virus in their breath than unvaccinated individuals.

Those scientists were not altogether surprised by this finding explaining that “certain types of prior immunity”—in this case, the kind of immunity conferred by the vaccine as opposed to naturally acquired immunity— “promote lung inflammation, airway closure, and aerosol generation.” They conclude that, “If confirmed, this observation, together with recent literature suggesting reduced protection with annual vaccination, would have implications for influenza vaccination recommendations and policies.”

4. CNN assertion: CNN frequently repeats CDC’s advice that children should get the flu shot, which you assure CNN’s audience has been proven safe.
Fact: A 2012 Cochrane review looking at studies of influenza vaccination in healthy children found no safety studies in children under age two, and declared that safety studies were “urgently required”.

Every influenza vaccine package insert contains warnings about the lack of safety studies in pregnant women and nursing mothers.

5. CNN assertion: CNN also promotes CDC’s recommendation that all pregnant women get a flu shot.

Fact: CDC recommends the flu shot for pregnant women despite the fact that FDA—the agency charged with assessing vaccine safety—has refused to license the flu shot during pregnancy due to grave safety concerns. (Sanjay; I encourage you to confront FDA and make inquiries about this inter-agency conflict.) Every influenza vaccine package insert contains warnings about the lack of safety studies in pregnant women and nursing mothers.

A 2014 Cochrane review found that the number of randomized, placebo-controlled trials examining the safety and effectiveness of vaccinating pregnant women was zero.

A 2019 article by Alberto Donzelli in Human Vaccination & Immunotheraputics, asks the question, “Influenza vaccination for all pregnant women?” and argues, “So far the less biased evidence does not favour it”. Donelli found that public health recommendations on flu shots during pregnancy had systematically overestimated “the vaccine effectiveness and safety”—and that the published science showed “an excess of local adverse effects and a tendency for serious adverse events with uncertain or very limited protection against influenza”. Donzelli observes that flu vaccine trials in Africa and Asia have shown excessive infection and deaths in infants associated with flu shots during pregnancy.

Although the vaccination rate for elderly people had increased by as much as 67 percent from 1989 to 1997, there was no evidence that vaccination reduced hospitalizations or deaths. On the contrary, mortality and hospitalization rates continued to increase rather than decline.

6. CNN assertion: CNN urges seniors to get their flu shots. CDC credits the vaccine with a dramatic reduction in influenza-related deaths among the elderly.

Fact: The scientific community has thoroughly debunked CDC’s claims that the flu shot reduces death among seniors.

Researchers from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) ridicule CDC’s mortality claims in a study published in April 2005 in Archives of Internal Medicine (now JAMA Internal Medicine). Those NIH researchers pointed out that, despite a dramatic increase in vaccination coverage among people aged 65 or older—from at most 20 percent before 1980 to 65 percent in 2001—pneumonia and influenza mortality rates “rose substantially during this period”.

The lead author of the 2005 NIH study, Lone Simonsen, was also coauthor with W. Paul Glezen of a 2006 commentary in the International Journal of Epidemiology that reiterated the problems with the CDC’s claims. “Although the vaccination rate for elderly people had increased by as much as 67 percent from 1989 to 1997, there was no evidence that vaccination reduced hospitalizations or deaths. On the contrary, “mortality and hospitalization rates continued to increase rather than decline”.

The 2005 NIH study authors commented that this result was “surprising” since vaccination was supposed to be “highly effective at reducing influenza-related mortality”—an assumption underlying CDC policy that “has never been studied in clinical trials”.

Similarly, a 2008 review in Virology Journal, observes that contrary to the CDC’s claims of a great beneficial effect on mortality, “influenza mortality and hospitalization rates for older Americans significantly increased in the 80s and 90s, during the same time that influenza vaccination rates for elderly Americans dramatically increased.”

In a 2013 BMJ commentary, Dr. Doshi asked, “what evidence is there that influenza vaccines reduce deaths of older people—the reason the policy was originally created? Virtually none…” This means that influenza vaccines are approved for use in older people despite any clinical trials demonstrating a reduction in serious outcomes.”

“Perhaps most perplexing,” Doshi added, “is officials’ lack of interest in the absence of good quality evidence.”

7. CNN assertion: You frequently inform the CNN audience that “the flu vaccine is safe, and significant side effects are very rare.”

Fact: Actual injury rates are impossible to determine since flu shots are exempt from pre-and-post-marketing placebo studies required of other medicines, and because HHS’s post-marketing surveillance system, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System [VAERS], captures “fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries” according to a 2010 HHS-funded study. Nevertheless, some alarming metrics ought to give you pause when you offer these assurances to millions of viewers; Flu vaccines account for nearly ¼ of payouts for injuries by the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund (VICA). The Vaccine Court has paid out nearly $1 billion for injuries and deaths caused by flu shots.

GSK’s vaccine, Flulaval lists, on its manufacturing inserts, over 45 chronic diseases and adverse reactions that FDA believes may be linked to the vaccine. These include a long menu of immune system, allergic, musculoskeletal, psychiatric, respiratory, skin, vascular, and neurological disease including seizure, paralysis, and syncope.

Australian data link the influenza vaccine during the 2009 – 2010 flu season to a 1-in-110 risk in children of having febrile convulsions. The pandemic H1N1 influenza vaccine in Europe was associated with a 1-in-55,000 risk of developing narcolepsy. CDC acknowledges that the Pandemrix flu vaccine is associated with an “increased risk of narcolepsy”.

A 2015 meta-analysis published in the journal Vaccine has acknowledged “a small but statistically significant association between influenza vaccines, particularly the pandemic ones, and Guillen-Barre Syndrome (GBS)”.

A 2004 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association, JAMA, noted that GBS was “the most frequent neurological condition reported after influenza vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)”.

The 2010 Cochrane meta-analysis chided that the post-mortality studies found that a statistically significant association between the influenza vaccine and GBS “demonstrate the danger of commencing a large vaccination campaign without adequate harms assessment.”

… the flu shot increases the risks from coronavirus by 36%.

8. CNN assertion: On March 5, 2020, you and Anderson Cooper did a “Town Hall” segment, “Corona Facts and Fears”, in which you fervently urged listeners to get the flu shot as the best way to keep healthy during the coronavirus pandemic. According to Anderson, “If you are concerned about coronavirus, you should get a flu shot”.

Fact: However, the only study we have been able to find assessing flu shots and coronavirus is a January 2020 US Pentagon study that found that the flu shot INCREASES the risks from coronavirus by 36%. “Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as “virus interference…’vaccine derived’ virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus…”

Many studies suggest the flu vaccine increases vulnerability to both flu infections and the remaining 85% -93% of non-flu respiratory infections.

9. CNN assertion: Sanjay, I’ve watched your video assuring the public that getting the flu shot cannot increase one’s chances of getting the flu.

Fact: While that assertion has some meager support from a very small number of studies, the overwhelming weight of published science suggests that getting an annual flu shot can actually increase your risk of both flu and flu-like illnesses.
Only about 7 percent to 15 percent of what are called “influenza-like illnesses” are actually caused by influenza viruses. Many studies suggest the flu vaccine increases vulnerability to both flu infections and the remaining 85% -93% of non-flu respiratory infections.

A 2011 study of healthy Australian children published in the Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal found that seasonal flu shots increase the risk of flu by 73% and doubled the risk of non-flu respiratory infections, another 2012 randomized controlled trial published in Clinical Infectious Diseases found that influenza-vaccinated children had no significantly lessened risk from influenza and also a higher risk of infection from non-influenza viruses.

Furthermore, the flu vaccine depletes capacity to fight off future flu infections. In April 2010, a study (by Skowronek, et al) published in the journal PLoS Medicine reported the “unexpected” finding from four epidemiologic studies in Canada that receipt of the influenza vaccine for the 2008 – 2009 season, while apparently effective in reducing the risk of illness due to the seasonal flu, was associated with an increased risk of illness due to the pandemic influenza A (H1N1) “swine flu” virus during the spring and summer of 2009. The scientists suggested that this finding could be due to the difference in the way the vaccine affects the immune system compared with natural infection.

Under this hypothesis, repeated vaccination “effectively blocks the more robust, complex, and cross-protective immunity afforded by prior infection.”

When unvaccinated people are infected with the seasonal influenza virus, they often develop a robust cell-mediated immunity that not only protects against that strain of the virus but is also cross-protective against other strains.

People who’ve annually received the influenza vaccine, on the other hand, “may have lost multiple opportunities for infection-induced cross-immunity.”This is because the vaccine is designed to stimulate a strong antibody response, or humoral immunity, but does not confer the same kind of robust cell-mediated immunity as natural infection.

NIH researchers in their 2005 study also acknowledged the superior effectiveness of naturally acquired immunity at reducing mortality, pointing out that senior citizens who contracted the H3N2 influenza pandemic infection demonstrated a robust immunity in subsequent flu seasons when compared to vaccinated individuals. The sharp decline in influenza-related deaths among people aged 65 to 74 years in the years immediately after the 1968 flu pandemic was most likely due to the acquisition of natural immunity to these viruses (from natural infections).

Another study published in 2011 in the Journal of Virology confirmed that annual influenza vaccination indeed hampers the development of a robust cell-mediated immunity. Annual vaccination for influenza, the authors concluded, “may render young children who have not previously been infected with an influenza virus more susceptible to infection with a pandemic influenza virus of a novel subtype.”

A 2018 CDC study found there was an increase of acute respiratory infections caused by non-influenza respiratory pathogens following influenza vaccination compared to unvaccinated children during the same period. The authors recommended that potential mechanisms for this association warrant further investigation.

While most studies have looked at only one or two flu seasons, a CDC-funded study published in September 2014 in Clinical Infectious Diseases considered the long-term effects of repeated annual vaccination by looking at five years of vaccination data.

The CDC researchers found that the more that people had been vaccinated in prior years, the less effective the vaccine are at preventing the most recent season’s dominant H3N2 virus.

As they put it, “vaccine-induced protection was greatest for individuals not vaccinated during the prior 5 years.”

Essentially, the immune system remembers the original infection and puts out a rapid defense against it, at the expense of developing a new but more appropriate response specifically to the currently infecting strain.
The CDC scientists warned that their data “raises relevant questions about the potential interference of repeated annual influenza vaccination and possible residual protection from previous season vaccination”; the authors called for further studies.

10. CNN assertion: One final observation about a different vaccine; In CNN’s
regular promotion of measles vaccines, CNN and Sanjay frequently claim that natural measles mortalities are 1-2 in 1000. Those estimates seem calculated to frighten people into taking a measles shot and to drive MMR mandates.

Fact: CDC’s 1963 mortality and morbidity data show that prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine, improvements in nutrition and hygeine had already driven US measles mortality in U.S. to 400 per year, a population ratio of 1/500,000 and a death-case ratio of 1 in 10,000—about the same risk of dying from a lightning strike. Most of those mortalities were among malnourished children, many of whom suffered from intellectual disabilities.

The best evidence suggests that measles mortalities would have continued to drop with the introduction of food stamps, W.I.C, and other childhood nutritional programs passed during the War on Poverty after 1964 to relieve hunger in impoverished communities.

Conclusion
In their 2010 meta-analysis, the Cochrane researchers accused the CDC of deliberately misrepresenting the science in order to support their universal influenza vaccination recommendation. Nevertheless, CNN continually broadcasts CDC pronouncements as gospel and, ironically, ridicules those of us who actually read the science as “purveyors of ‘vaccine misinformation’”.

Multiple comprehensive federal investigations and whistleblower declarations have documented the corrupt relationship between the CDC’s Vaccine Branch and the four vaccine makers: Merck, Pfizer, Sanofi, and GSK. These include a 2000 report by the US Congress Government Oversight Committee , a 2009 report by the Federal HHS Inspector General, a 2014 letter by David Wright, Director of HHS Office of Research Integrity, and a 2011 letter to Carmen S. Villar, chief of staff for Tom Frieden, from an organization of CDC scientists calling itself “SPIDER”.

In 2014, CDC’s senior vaccine safety scientist, Dr. William Thompson, a 17-year CDC veteran, who continues to work for CDC, confessed in a series of depositions, and public and private statements, that his CDC bosses in CDC’s Immunization Branch had systematically ordered him and other researchers to destroy data and falsify study outcomes to hide CDC research linking vaccines to the exploding epidemic of childhood chronic diseases including autism. Doesn’t the abundant evidence of corruption at the Federal health agencies amplify CNN’s obligation to treat government pronouncements with skepticism?

[The CDC] stressed that it was especially important to inspire “concern, anxiety, and worry” among young, healthy adults who don’t regard the flu with sufficient dread.

At a 2004 workshop for the Institute of Medicine, CDC unveiled a blueprint for the agency’s annual campaigns of fear and deception in a PowerPoint entitled “‘Recipe’ for Fostering Public Interest and High Vaccine Demand”. CDC’s in-house P.R. flack Glen Nowak explained that it was necessary to use fear marketing to sell vaccines. CDC’s campaign called for encouraging television medical experts (like Sanjay and Elizabeth Cohen) to “state concern and alarm” about “and predict dire outcomes” from the flu season.

To inspire the necessary terror, the CDC planned to encourage its tame journalists to describe each season as “very severe”, “more severe than last or past years”, and “deadly”. CDC’s press flacks stressed that it was especially important to inspire “concern, anxiety, and worry” among young, healthy adults who don’t regard the flu with sufficient dread.

As the CDC bluntly stated it, “Health literacy is a growing problem”. In other words, the CDC considers it to be a problem that people are increasingly doing their own research and becoming more adept at educating themselves about health-related issues; Why? Because people who do their own research, read the science, and make informed choices rather than blindly following the CDC’s recommendations are less likely to get the flu shot.

“Drug companies”, Dr. Doshi observes, “have long known that to sell some products, you would have to first sell people on the disease.” Only, in the case of the influenza vaccine, Doshi adds, “the salesmen are public health officials”. These public health officials have, in turn, transformed trusted journalists and television doctors into Pharma marketing reps.

CNN likes to portray CDC’s annual flu shot campaigns as an important public health ritual. The peer-reviewed science exposes CDC’s campaigns as a mercantile propaganda project that is costly and may be injuring public health. CNN can fault CDC officials as the source of its “vaccine misinformation”. But this is a weak gesture. “People in power lie”, my father once told me. The function of journalism is to apply scrutiny and skepticism to the pronouncements of government officials and powerful corporations.

Finally, Sanjay, you and Anderson Cooper often comment with dismay on the monumental tragedy, for our democracy, of having a president who habitually lies. But presidents come and go; the more enduring tragedy, arguably, is that we cannot trust our news media to tell us the truth about vital health issues when
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOHYZhL0WQadvertising dollars are at stake.

You scratch your head and wonder how all those Trump supporters don’t share your indignation at President Trump’s mendacity. One answer is that they are disheartened by once-trusted media outlets who have also set the precedent of routinely lying and violating the public trust, wounding in the process our democracy, public faith in critical institutions, and the health of our children.
Sincerely,


Robert F. Kennedy Jr
President, Children’s Health Defense

P.S. Just as a reminder, here is a 60 Minutes program from over 30 years ago. This is what journalism looked like before Pharma purchased the media.

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Mr. Robert F. Kennedy jr is brave, great great man - he has my ultimate respect.

My heart/prayers goes out to RFK jr and his family over the loss of his grandchildren ….


Peace/shanti


Luke

[Luke Holiday]

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Luke
https://www.facebook.com/ProgressiveTruthSeekers/videos/3223552980997712/

[pueblo]

This is an interesting resource, https://www.euromomo.eu

From their website..


Welcome to the EuroMOMO website. We publish weekly bulletins of the all-cause mortality levels in up to 24 European countries or regions of countries. The weekly bulletin is published every Thursday around noon.

Also, from their website..

https://www.euromomo.eu/slices/Maps-2020/MAP-2020-14.png

[shaberon]

Flu Misinformation and Coronavirus Fears: My Letter to Dr. Sanjay Gupta


By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense


So the gist is that flu shots are the same deceptive device or same character as with opioids. That was certainly what I thought when I first heard of either one of them.

I recall an Italian study last year showing that the multi-flu shot not only contained nothing useful, there were over forty contaminants. At some point there would seem to be enough victims and evidence to press similar suits about all this disease stuff.

The weakness of the opiate suits is that, I guess due to it being corporations, it is all civil, there are no criminal charges against ownership.

[thepainterdoug]

UPDATE ON MY SISTER, who was tested for covid 19, two weeks ago. Remember , my sister Doretta has HIV for 35 years, stage 4 kidney, former drug addict , and present day drinker and chain smoker.

so funny, she gets a call from the doctor who tells her she doesnt have it. and she says, whattt?? I wanted it! now i have to worry about getting it again!

the doctor started laughing and said, in all his days , he never heard anything so funny! and they laughed and joked.

she was thinking if she had it and already got over it, then her HIV meds would have saved her and she would be free of concern. my sister is quite funny, and I believe her ability to laugh has kept her going. a lesson for us all.

pic of Doretta, attached

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Britain warned to prepare for up to six waves of COVID-19 in next year
Sky News Sky News

This proving David Icke right.
Are we going to have lock down every year for those who do not accept the immunisation or virus checks?
Total control here we come--unless we dont accept this
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Coronavirus: Britain warned to prepare for up to six waves of COVID-19 in next year
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Britain must be better prepared for "further waves" of coronavirus, with MPs told the government was "too slow" to respond to the current outbreak.

Parliament's Health and Social Care Committee was told by leading physician Professor Anthony Costello that the country must face up to the "harsh reality" that it did not react quickly enough to warnings about COVID-19.

The professor, from University College London's Institute for Global Health, told MPs via video-link that the UK would likely end up with the highest coronavirus death rate in Europe - even greater than Spain and Italy.

In order to avoid another large spike in fatalities once the country begins to ease its lockdown measures, he said the government must up community testing capacity and embrace South Korea-style contact tracing.

"We all hope that the national lockdown and social distancing will bring about a large suppression of the epidemic; however, we are going to face further waves," said Professor Costello.

"We need to make sure we have a system in place that can not just do a certain number of tests in the laboratory.

"We also need a system at district and community level to test people rapidly in the community, in care homes, and make sure the results get back to them very quickly.

"We need to maintain social distancing of some kind when we lift the national lockdown, by focusing on the people we really want to lockdown, which are cases and contacts.

"You need to find cases, test them if you can, trace their contacts, isolate them, do social distancing - but most importantly of all you do it all at speed."

But Professor Costello, a former British director at the World Health Organisation, said it was likely that the most vulnerable people in the country would have to remain in some form of lockdown until there is a vaccine.

Few expect a vaccine to be available until the spring of 2021 at the earliest, and Professor Costello suggested the UK could face as many as six waves of the coronavirus before then.

"We have to get the economy going and if it means locking down 10% of our population, even giving them incentives to stay in quarantine and with digital apps to help monitor their symptoms and give them support, that's the way to really keep this going until we get a vaccine and safe herd immunity," he added.

Among those questioning Professor Costello was former health secretary and committee chair Jeremy Hunt.

The committee is conducting an inquiry into the preparedness of the UK to deal with such an outbreak, focusing on measures to safeguard public health, how to contain the virus, and the ability of the NHS to cope.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock gave evidence to the committee's inquiry, which is meeting via video-link, on Friday, following chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty and chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance last month.

Attention among committee members has begun to turn towards how the UK might be able to cope with the disease once lockdown measures start being lifted, although any such changes are at least three weeks away.

Professor Costello said the high number of coronavirus-related deaths in the UK, which is close to surpassing 14,000, should serve as a grim reminder to the government that it needs to respond quicker to future outbreaks.

The physician said that while we "should not have any blame at this stage", the government "can make sure in the second wave we're not too slow".

"We will probably have the highest death rate in Europe, we have to face the reality of that," he said, adding that the nationwide total could eventually reach 40,000.

"We were too slow on a number of things, but we can make sure that in the second wave we're not too slow."

The government has faced criticism for being slow to act on warnings from other countries, most notably Italy.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was initially reluctant to close social spaces like pubs and cinemas, and took longer still before ordering the nationwide lockdown last month.

Questions continue to be asked about testing capacity, especially in care homes.

Mr Hancock has said the UK wants to be carrying out 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, but the number being done each day at the moment is still hovering just below 20,000.


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Britain must be better prepared for "further waves" of coronavirus, with MPs told the government was "too slow" to respond to the current outbreak.

Parliament's Health and Social Care Committee was told by leading physician Professor Anthony Costello that the country must face up to the "harsh reality" that it did not react quickly enough to warnings about COVID-19.

The professor, from University College London's Institute for Global Health, told MPs via video-link that the UK would likely end up with the highest coronavirus death rate in Europe - even greater than Spain and Italy.

In order to avoid another large spike in fatalities once the country begins to ease its lockdown measures, he said the government must up community testing capacity and embrace South Korea-style contact tracing.

"We all hope that the national lockdown and social distancing will bring about a large suppression of the epidemic; however, we are going to face further waves," said Professor Costello.

"We need to make sure we have a system in place that can not just do a certain number of tests in the laboratory.

"We also need a system at district and community level to test people rapidly in the community, in care homes, and make sure the results get back to them very quickly.

"We need to maintain social distancing of some kind when we lift the national lockdown, by focusing on the people we really want to lockdown, which are cases and contacts.

"You need to find cases, test them if you can, trace their contacts, isolate them, do social distancing - but most importantly of all you do it all at speed."

But Professor Costello, a former British director at the World Health Organisation, said it was likely that the most vulnerable people in the country would have to remain in some form of lockdown until there is a vaccine.

Few expect a vaccine to be available until the spring of 2021 at the earliest, and Professor Costello suggested the UK could face as many as six waves of the coronavirus before then.

"We have to get the economy going and if it means locking down 10% of our population, even giving them incentives to stay in quarantine and with digital apps to help monitor their symptoms and give them support, that's the way to really keep this going until we get a vaccine and safe herd immunity," he added.

Among those questioning Professor Costello was former health secretary and committee chair Jeremy Hunt.

The committee is conducting an inquiry into the preparedness of the UK to deal with such an outbreak, focusing on measures to safeguard public health, how to contain the virus, and the ability of the NHS to cope.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock gave evidence to the committee's inquiry, which is meeting via video-link, on Friday, following chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty and chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance last month.

Attention among committee members has begun to turn towards how the UK might be able to cope with the disease once lockdown measures start being lifted, although any such changes are at least three weeks away.

Professor Costello said the high number of coronavirus-related deaths in the UK, which is close to surpassing 14,000, should serve as a grim reminder to the government that it needs to respond quicker to future outbreaks.

The physician said that while we "should not have any blame at this stage", the government "can make sure in the second wave we're not too slow".

"We will probably have the highest death rate in Europe, we have to face the reality of that," he said, adding that the nationwide total could eventually reach 40,000.

"We were too slow on a number of things, but we can make sure that in the second wave we're not too slow."

The government has faced criticism for being slow to act on warnings from other countries, most notably Italy.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was initially reluctant to close social spaces like pubs and cinemas, and took longer still before ordering the nationwide lockdown last month.

Questions continue to be asked about testing capacity, especially in care homes.

Mr Hancock has said the UK wants to be carrying out 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, but the number being done each day at the moment is still hovering just below 20,000.

[avid]

No way will I have any vaccine, or chip, or put up with any divisive exclusion laws. This is a draconian nightmarish scenario, so let’s not participate. Viruses die out naturally, so any ‘solutions’ should accept that, and not exacerbate it, deliberately to enable the ‘controllers’.

[Dorjezigzag]

No way will I have any vaccine, or chip, or put up with any divisive exclusion laws. This is a draconian nightmarish scenario, so let’s not participate. Viruses die out naturally, so any ‘solutions’ should accept that, and not exacerbate it, deliberately to enable the ‘controllers’.

When I was a baby they did a test Jab on me and I reacted badly blowing up like the Michelin man. this means I have never had a vaccination and never will. I have nearly lost jobs because of this in the past and it is concern that I will be excluded from travel etc because of mandatory vaccinations.

People like me are maybe a reason that it will be difficult to bring this in as mandatory law as it makes it discriminatory. You can be sure I will be on the frontline of protests against this as I have no choice. I hope when push comes to shove there will be large body of people that will walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

[palehorse]

When I was a baby they did a test Jab on me and I reacted badly blowing up like the Michelin man. this means I have never had a vaccination and never will. I have nearly lost jobs because of this in the past and it is concern that I will be excluded from travel etc because of mandatory vaccinations.

People like me are maybe a reason that it will be difficult to bring this in as mandatory law as it makes it discriminatory. You can be sure I will be on the frontline of protests against this as I have no choice. I hope when push comes to shove there will be large body of people that will walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

My kid is in the same situation as you, she almost died after take a vaccine without proper testing for reactions, I had to hush with her to a hospital and it took days to get back to normal, luckily she is fine today. Doctor said do not EVER give any sort of vaccine on her. The doctor is a friend!

About 13 years ago, I was kind of "forced" to take a vaccine for yellow fever in an official clinic in Taipe/TW, but not because the Officers forced me to do that, it was because I was travelling to Thailand under a Brazilian passport and the Thai Embassy asked me that before issuing the visa or I could face troubles to get into the country.

Well, if they start this machiavellian plan to vaccinate entire populations across the world, it will end up very bad, a lot of foreign (include me) will be forced to take it in order to complain with the law, and those that will not complain (and there will be a lot) would be illegal or not allowed to move freely around, get work, maybe not even have a driving licence, buy food..

I will give one example with my personal situation here in south east asia, I was told by an immigration officer that if I plan to leave the country I would need to complain with the new decrees in place, because they already imposed a corona virus certificate (yes, foreign need to get tested and the certificate is valid for 72 hours and it cost about $150 - people crossing borders need it in order to get into Thailand) and also a health insurance with a minimum policy of $100.000 (I already have my health plan, but of course it was not good enough for them and it DO NOT cover corona viruses). This entire situation forced me to apply for residence in the country (it was a total mess, about 2 kilos of paper work and lots of wasting time) which was not in my plans since I still have to travel basically every month (I need a Visa, not a residence permit!), I am pretty sure all countries are changing their rules pretty fast to complain with this BS situation.

This entire lock step situation is a huge treat to our freedom, life was already difficult before it and now it is becoming impossible, expect revolution seriously. No big changes come without revolution.

I do believe it is a bioweapon and it was released to cause disruption and big changes in our lives. It is an ambush against mankind!

Hope for the best, but if I have to fight back I will stand there for our human rights.

[Patient]

With Trump opposing vaccines and more people posting anti-vaccine info it seems that Gates is pushing back hard.

Imagine from the perspective of Gates - this has been a long plan and he sees himself gaining money and control. He does not want to let go when he probably thought he was so close to achieving his target.

It is not my intent to project fear - on the contrary - I see the world becoming a better place, it is just that we might see more trouble before we get there.

This is where push comes to shove. We must be stronger in every aspect. More determined for a positive outcome. Stay healthy and strong both physically and mentally. Teach when you have the opportunity and continue to research and learn more when you have the time.

The efforts of everyone on this forum sharing information is amazing. It often feels like Avalon is ahead of the media in connecting the dots.

We will have the world we deserve. Thanks to everyone! Stay the course. Be patient. ;)

[Delight]

I think that "someone" really has planned (whatever this is but I do think it a novel virus) would break us as a world population....

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No way will I have any vaccine, or chip, or put up with any divisive exclusion laws. This is a draconian nightmarish scenario, so let’s not participate. Viruses die out naturally, so any ‘solutions’ should accept that, and not exacerbate it, deliberately to enable the ‘controllers’.

If enough of us agree to REFUSE the offering, and I think it is something tiny as a percentage of population (2.5%?), it will reshape the trajectory. BUY NO MORE SMART DEVICES, buy local, have a garden, stay home if necessary (but move to the country) and create a community of like minds THEN

PROTEST IN THE STREETS,