Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends,

This post is simply to start this new thread. Please see my detailed explanation here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1348228&viewfull=1#post1348228).

As the title suggests, this thread is for anyone to discuss their views about their distrust of the reported statistics, or the cause of the sickness. This includes any speculation about the role of 5G, and other factors.

There are three other new threads to discuss other specific angles and aspects of the current situation.


Covid19: Global reports, news and updates (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates)



Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110506-Covid19-Cui-Bono-Is-there-an-agenda)
(this includes media hype, proven media falsehoods, etc etc)



Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.)
(this is really the "it's just the flu" thread, also for those who don't believe viruses even exist or can be "caught".)

:sun:

[Lazlo]

Modified from my Cui Bono post.

I wanted to start out by saying that I haven't posted here in several years, primarily because I became frustrated with the (seemingly) large number of members who would lash out at not just myself, but at anyone who tried to bring critical thinking skills to bear on almost any topic. I am wading back in now because I felt the urge to see what the community was discussing and was alarmed to see topics discussing variously: Don't trust the numbers, don't trust motives, 5G makes it worse, it's not really serious, and a host of other things that could frankly get some of you killed.

I don't trust the numbers either, but not simply because of the source (Here's looking at you China) but because of the way they are presented. I decided to look at the numbers in a different way and thought I would share in the event that this helps keep somebody safe. Almost every statistic you will see in some way derives ultimately from the numbers of people tested as a denominator and the number of hospitalizations or deaths as a numerator. This can be wildly misleading for a whole number of interrelated reasons that have been beat to death (pun intended) all over the media, both Alt and MSM.

So how to think about this in another way? Firstly, I believe the numbers for the dead are reasonably accurate, we can quibble over whether or not an underlying condition was the ultimate cause or not, but the reality is that someone with asthma, diabetes, cancer, or some other morbidity wasn't statistically much more likely to die yesterday than in any other day this year. Numbers do rise in the winter and drop off in the summer...marginally.

Secondly, the panic evident in the vast numbers of public officials that are dealing with this who could not possibility be part of the "plan" or what have you tells me that they genuinely believe this to be serious. I've got friends working in ER's. They sure as heck are taking it seriously. So with that out of the way, some numbers:

On any given day in the US about 7,700 people die of all of the usual things (cancer, heart disease, violence, accidents, etc.)
There are about 327 million Americans today
There are 8.62 million people living in NYC
This is about 2.6% of the US population
This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day
On March 31st, there were 180 deaths in NYC from Covid.

Let's draw some conclusions. On the bare surface of it Covid almost doubled the daily death rate. That's bad, but wait, some of those folks would have died anyway (see above about underlying conditions). And then there are still people who would have died from other causes anyway. Let's assume that there were fewer traffic and industrial accidents. My point is that there is so much chaos right now that it's going to be years before historians come to some sort of consensus about all of this and what the real numbers are, but the takeaway is that THERE IS A STATISTICALLY HUGE bump in the death rate and it's most likely not even peaked yet. A 2X increase in daily deaths is likely to persist for at least a month in even the most favorable scenarios.

Stay safe out there, and focus your intentions and actions where you can make a positive impact, most especially on the people around you...errrr... 6 feet away from you.

[Mypos]

@TargeT what you posted in the former Covid 19 topic about 5G is not true at all. 5G is being downplayed as being nothing serious but there are many many scientists and other experts who think otherwise. For one 5G has weaponised frequencies and can be put to use as crowd control targeting peoples nervous system.

[Mypos]

Modified from my Cui Bono post.

I wanted to start out by saying that I haven't posted here in several years, primarily because I became frustrated with the (seemingly) large number of members who would lash out at not just myself, but at anyone who tried to bring critical thinking skills to bear on almost any topic. I am wading back in now because I felt the urge to see what the community was discussing and was alarmed to see topics discussing variously: Don't trust the numbers, don't trust motives, 5G makes it worse, it's not really serious, and a host of other things that could frankly get some of you killed.

I don't trust the numbers either, but not simply because of the source (Here's looking at you China) but because of the way they are presented. I decided to look at the numbers in a different way and thought I would share in the event that this helps keep somebody safe. Almost every statistic you will see in some way derives ultimately from the numbers of people tested as a denominator and the number of hospitalizations or deaths as a numerator. This can be wildly misleading for a whole number of interrelated reasons that have been beat to death (pun intended) all over the media, both Alt and MSM.

So how to think about this in another way? Firstly, I believe the numbers for the dead are reasonably accurate, we can quibble over whether or not an underlying condition was the ultimate cause or not, but the reality is that someone with asthma, diabetes, cancer, or some other morbidity wasn't statistically much more likely to die yesterday than in any other day this year. Numbers do rise in the winter and drop off in the summer...marginally.

Secondly, the panic evident in the vast numbers of public officials that are dealing with this who could not possibility be part of the "plan" or what have you tells me that they genuinely believe this to be serious. I've got friends working in ER's. They sure as heck are taking it seriously. So with that out of the way, some numbers:

On any given day in the US about 7,700 people die of all of the usual things (cancer, heart disease, violence, accidents, etc.)
There are about 327 million Americans today
There are 8.62 million people living in NYC
This is about 2.6% of the US population
This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day
On March 31st, there were 180 deaths in NYC from Covid.

Let's draw some conclusions. On the bare surface of it Covid almost doubled the daily death rate. That's bad, but wait, some of those folks would have died anyway (see above about underlying conditions). And then there are still people who would have died from other causes anyway. Let's assume that there were fewer traffic and industrial accidents. My point is that there is so much chaos right now that it's going to be years before historians come to some sort of consensus about all of this and what the real numbers are, but the takeaway is that THERE IS A STATISTICALLY HUGE bump in the death rate and it's most likely not even peaked yet. A 2X increase in daily deaths is likely to persist for at least a month in even the most favorable scenarios.

Stay safe out there, and focus your intentions and actions where you can make a positive impact, most especially on the people around you...errrr... 6 feet away from you.

The numbers of people who died in the last weeks are here still under the numbers of people who died the years before. Further more of the people who end up on IC 90 percent are overweight. Of the people who died of this the most are pretty old and riddled with other diseases. Thats are the facts i know.

Also im pretty sure there is some other factor into play here. Be it vaccins (like in the hotspot in Italy they had huge mandatory vaccin campaigns the months before the outbreak or the 5G aspect like in Wuhan. Its really targeted on specific places. Why has it not reached other cities in China? Why almost no deaths in Russia? Or Africa?

[graciousb]

The purported reason for the lockdowns and draconian measures are based on causes of death on death certificates, would we agree? The WHO and CDC are now the go-to entities on the matter would we agree? See this link from the CDC and please share it as far and wide as possible. Page two last paragraph on left they give guidance on how to denote cause of death on certificates and state NO TEST RESULTS ARE NECESSARY to denote Covid 19 as cause. So the stats that shut the world down , destroyed businesses and harmed lives..are not accurate
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

[AutumnW]

Mypos,

Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

Don't let your own rightful suspicion of 5G and vaccines be used by crackpots trying to leverage it to make money on YouTube. One physical virus is bad enough. YouTube scammers and fantasy prone individuals have created several more mind viruses.

[AutumnW]

The purported reason for the lockdowns and draconian measures are based on causes of death on death certificates, would we agree? The WHO and CDC are now the go-to entities on the matter would we agree? See this link from the CDC and please share it as far and wide as possible. Page two last paragraph on left they give guidance on how to denote cause of death on certificates and state NO TEST RESULTS ARE NECESSARY to denote Covid 19 as cause. So the stats that shut the world down , destroyed businesses and harmed lives..are not accurate
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Clinical observation has to do until enough test kits are available. Doctors in emergency care have seen enough typical flu, pneumonia, to be able to assess what they are dealing with. This is a red herring argument.

[graciousb]

The numbers of people who died in the last weeks are here still under the numbers of people who died the years before. Further more of the people who end up on IC 90 percent are overweight. Of the people who died of this the most are pretty old and riddled with other diseases. Thats are the facts i know.

There is evidence of that, also that trivalent flu shot can cause false positives for Covid. A friend who very likely had it, mid 70s, overall healthy but blood type A and on BP meds, she gets flu shots religiously. She was quite sick for many weeks. She was refused a test.

[Sue (Ayt)]

On any given day in the US about 7,700 people die of all of the usual things (cancer, heart disease, violence, accidents, etc.)
There are about 327 million Americans today
There are 8.62 million people living in NYC
This is about 2.6% of the US population
This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day
On March 31st, there were 180 deaths in NYC from Covid.

Let's draw some conclusions. On the bare surface of it Covid almost doubled the daily death rate.

Not disagreeing, Lazlo, but we cannot be sure of the conclusion that the death rate was doubled, as we have not seen the total death count for March 31. Wonder if it was actually around 383 - (203+180)? The average total daily counts, compared to the new daily total counts may be more accurate for trending comparisons. Wish we could find those stats.

[graciousb]

With all due respect no it isn't. Everything hinges on accurate reporting. How can doctors be able to accurately assess a virus that is ''novel'', ie never seen before? This is referring to patients with other illnesses concurrently.

[AutumnW]

Gracious,

Youre correct that this is hitting the elderly and those with co-morbid conditions, disproportionately. But consider how many people in the developed world, particularly the U.S. are overweight, many of whom are morbidly obese. Add to that risk factor, diabetes that usually goes hand in hand. Again you are right that in this population the virus might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back--and that the infection, in that respect is opportunistic.

But rather than be a source of solace, the fact is that without a vaccine, the co-morbid fatality rate could hit a good 10% of the population. It's not so much what the numbers are now, it's what they will be at the peak and whether hospitals are ready to take care of what might be a flood of the infected. :sun:

[Bill Ryan]

I'd like to offer this, if I may:

It seems to me very probable — but I do not know this as a fact — that an honest doctor, not wanting or being ordered to cover anything up, when signing a death certificate, would ask themselves:

"Would this patient have died right now had they not contracted Covid-19?"
And if the answer's No, then that becomes the cause.

[Bill Ryan]

Of the people who died of this the most are pretty old and riddled with other diseases. Thats are the facts i know. Well, maybe not. I posted this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1348241&viewfull=1#post1348241) earlier today:

~~~

This is interesting. Either the virus is changing, or people are.

(Meaning, 'younger' people may be over-confident about being 'immune', and aren't taking nearly enough care not to become infected. And many 'younger' people have poor diets, poor lifestyles, and compromised immune systems, too.)

~~~


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-03-20-intl/index.html




North Carolina says 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49

Dr. Mandy K. Cohen, secretary of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS), announced Friday that 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49. So far, 29% are age 50-64 and 20% are age 65 and up, Cohen said.


Why has it not reached other cities in China? Why almost no deaths in Russia? Or Africa?I totally agree about other areas of China. There almost certainly have to be Italy- and Spain-sized outbreaks in remote areas that aren't being reported.

Re numbers in Russia and Africa — wait a few weeks. (If Russia is reporting honestly.)

All the graphs do this, in all countries (and states, and cities)... it's just a matter of time.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/3a90de41e28192493b71987d5532cf82/f19172beab80215e-f9/s500x750/54a4dff1b7d82d9ca99c91e826c98cf95dfd6d40.png

[onawah]

Covid-19 False Flag Event in the Making :bump:
This video is amazing!
It seems to be a sign that we are catching on to false flag events even as they are being constructed.
It's already been featured in other posts, but deserves bumping, imho.

Real World or Simulation? 4/2/20
Amazing Polly
232K subscribers

"I don't believe the news from Elmhurst hospital. Let me show you why not, and why it is IMPERATIVE that we ask questions and bring the answers out. We are literally fighting for our lives right now..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=cAnSkQojE_4&feature=emb_logo

[Satori]

The purported reason for the lockdowns and draconian measures are based on causes of death on death certificates, would we agree? The WHO and CDC are now the go-to entities on the matter would we agree? See this link from the CDC and please share it as far and wide as possible. Page two last paragraph on left they give guidance on how to denote cause of death on certificates and state NO TEST RESULTS ARE NECESSARY to denote Covid 19 as cause. So the stats that shut the world down , destroyed businesses and harmed lives..are not accurate
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

I read the paragraph graciuosb refers to a bit differently.

I read it to say that where there has been a test for SARS Covid-2 and that test is positive, then the death certificate can, and perhaps should, state the cause of death as Covid-19. (SARS Cov-2). But, where there has not been a positive test for SARS Cov-2, because no test was given for whatever reason, then under the totality of the circumstances and taking into account the decedent’s co-morbidities, the death certificate may state the probable cause of death was Covid-19, if that can be stated to a reasonable degree of medical certainty: which is very subjective opinion, upon which reasonable medical minds can differ.

It seems to me, then, that if a test was given and it is negative, the cause of death cannot and should not be stated as Covid19.

So, if I was drilling down on this, I’d want to see how many deaths were labeled Covid19 when there was a negative test or when no test was given. From that you can begin to determine the extent, if any, to which deaths have been labeled Covid19 when they were not

If the tests were negative, the person died from something else. And any claim it was Covid19 would be false.

If no test was given, but the death was labeled unequivocally as “Covid19 disease” and not “probable Covid19 disease” or something similar, then you have reason to question the accuracy of the finding of “Covid19 disease.” Those death certificates, at least, would identify the cases that would deserve further scrutiny to determine if the cause of death was the virus, or one or more co-morbidities.

So, to my way of thinking, these document graciousb provided is very helpful to use to show the protocol that is required to be followed and to determine whether the standard and required protocols were in fact followed when stating the cause of death.

[Ben]

Covid-19 False Flag Event in the Making :bump:
This video is amazing!
It seems to be a sign that we are catching on to false flag events even as they are being constructed.
It's already been featured in other posts, but deserves bumping, imho.

Real World or Simulation? 4/2/20
Amazing Polly
232K subscribers

"I don't believe the news from Elmhurst hospital. Let me show you why not, and why it is IMPERATIVE that we ask questions and bring the answers out. We are literally fighting for our lives right now..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=cAnSkQojE_4&feature=emb_logo


Is it just me, or is everything in mirror image in this video? Look at the writing on various objects.

[Satori]

Covid-19 False Flag Event in the Making :bump:
This video is amazing!
It seems to be a sign that we are catching on to false flag events even as they are being constructed.
It's already been featured in other posts, but deserves bumping, imho.

Real World or Simulation? 4/2/20
Amazing Polly
232K subscribers

"I don't believe the news from Elmhurst hospital. Let me show you why not, and why it is IMPERATIVE that we ask questions and bring the answers out. We are literally fighting for our lives right now..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=cAnSkQojE_4&feature=emb_logo


Is it just me, or is everything in mirror image in this video? Look at the writing on various objects.

It is indeed a mirror image. I noticed that too and held my tablet to a mirror. “Johnny Horton” and “George” are prominent.

[waves]

Biill you invited comments about the title wording.

I think the title wording contradicts itself. I don't trust the statistics... because I've learned the actual mainstream science of PCR tests, exosomes and the true nature of the particles called virus.

What's being misrepresented to sell this psyop with statistics is certainly a lot of plain old made up numbers, but they all repeat and repeat that they're of 'the tested'... but there's not a valid test!!! That's why I created the signature below - it's the foundational issue being used to dupe people and ruin so many lives - there is still no test that isolates the cv19 they claim exists from the other cv's that everyone has, and that is the reason all the statistics are entirely false.

You can find numerous step by step explanations of exactly the medical establishment science for the factual nature of virus/PCR tests/exosomes that are undisputed.

So I'd rewrite it something like "Covid19: Don't trust the statistics because the actual science about the nature of virus and a valid test have been obfuscated"

I'd add however, just because I now know the statistics are lies, does not mean I don't think there are other bioweaponry related illness creating targeting going on. So the bioweaponry/exosome issue goes hand in hand with exposing the 'test' statistics lie and the bioweaponry issue would be inseparable in a 'new contrarian' thread.

So it's not that people exposing the lie of 'the test' are saying there's no illness, we're saying it's 'others', none of which are contagious. And the totally out of control selling of 'contagiousness' is what is being used against humanity the most destructively right now.


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[Bill Ryan]

Biill you invited comments about the title wording.

I think the title wording contradicts itself. I don't trust the statistics... because I've learned the actual mainstream science of PCR tests, exosomes and the true nature of the particles called virus.

Yes, I agree (in my role of trying to be an organized librarian here! :) ). Your suggestion was fine, but just a little long for a thread title. The problem is that on many devices, long titles can't be properly seen. So I squeezed it to:

Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

[aoibhghaire]

I wasn't sure where to post this item as its an analysis with new data on the CR19 with all the current thread changes.

A friend of mine who is a Doctor flu from Europe to LA in mid March.

Discovered after 2 days my friend had CR19. My friend is a healthy individual.

My friend took the opportunity of testing throughout the whole period to find out what is the make up of and emissions given off from the body when CR19 invades it.

My friend is an expert in using a bioresonance machine and understands the signature frequencies emitted by the body. A colleague carried out all the testing and got some interesting data throughout the 16 day period as the CR19 went through its process.

Bioresonance is a non-invasive therapy which involves placing electrodes on your skin for diagnosis and treatment. The electrodes are connected to a machine which checks the energy wavelengths coming from your body, and then counteracts bad frequencies by restoring the optimum balance.

My friend took the opportunity to apply a bio resonance machine that provides bio frequencies throughout the body from a range from 40 to 60,000 frequencies. The machine responds to all signatures that are not only transmitted but also is able to detect the emission signatures that equate to frequencies to determine the composition.

Results here are the main frequency signatures showing up from the body’s infiltration from CR19.

1. Black mold signature, a form of (Stachybotrys Charterum). This has flu like symptoms.

2. Radiation sickness at 30 rads. Similar to ionizing radiation used for cancer treatment.

3. The above had symptoms of geopathic stress type frequencies.

4. EMF radiation. Electric and magnetic fields (EMFs) are invisible areas of energy, often referred to as radiation, that are associated with the use of electrical power, Ionizing: high-level radiation which has the potential for cellular and DNA damage.

5. Another form (species) of the virus that affected the RNA cellular structure.

Tentative conclusion: CR19 appears to show a concoction of other species of viruses seeded as one molecular strain that are not natural. A strain of a natural virus shows up as a specific type that can be understood. These tentative results may indicate a manmade bioweapon. More research needs to be explored to determine the final composition.

[Mypos]

Of the people who died of this the most are pretty old and riddled with other diseases. Thats are the facts i know. Well, maybe not. I posted this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1348241&viewfull=1#post1348241) earlier today:

~~~

This is interesting. Either the virus is changing, or people are.

(Meaning, 'younger' people may be over-confident about being 'immune', and aren't taking nearly enough care not to become infected. And many 'younger' people have poor diets, poor lifestyles, and compromised immune systems, too.)

~~~


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-03-20-intl/index.html




North Carolina says 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49

Dr. Mandy K. Cohen, secretary of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS), announced Friday that 43% of people diagnosed with Covid-19 are ages 25-49. So far, 29% are age 50-64 and 20% are age 65 and up, Cohen said.


Why has it not reached other cities in China? Why almost no deaths in Russia? Or Africa?I totally agree about other areas of China. There almost certainly have to be Italy- and Spain-sized outbreaks in remote areas that aren't being reported.

Re numbers in Russia and Africa — wait a few weeks. (If Russia is reporting honestly.)

All the graphs do this, in all countries (and states, and cities)... it's just a matter of time.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/3a90de41e28192493b71987d5532cf82/f19172beab80215e-f9/s500x750/54a4dff1b7d82d9ca99c91e826c98cf95dfd6d40.png

1. The tests arent reliable according to David Icke so far as i know.
2. That young people test positive for Covid 19 is not a problem. It only becomes a problem when they get really sick or die.

[Mypos]

Mypos,

Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

Don't let your own rightful suspicion of 5G and vaccines be used by crackpots trying to leverage it to make money on YouTube. One physical virus is bad enough. YouTube scammers and fantasy prone individuals have created several more mind viruses.

I dont think Rudolph Steiner and Bruce Lipton are crackpots on youtube who want to make money....

If you look at the hotspots Wuhan and Lombaria you see 5G and mandatory vaccins. That is no evidence but what is evidence these days? Nothing is too be trusted. And its very suspicious that in the hotspots of Covid 19 we have these things, dont you think?

[Satori]

The purported reason for the lockdowns and draconian measures are based on causes of death on death certificates, would we agree? The WHO and CDC are now the go-to entities on the matter would we agree? See this link from the CDC and please share it as far and wide as possible. Page two last paragraph on left they give guidance on how to denote cause of death on certificates and state NO TEST RESULTS ARE NECESSARY to denote Covid 19 as cause. So the stats that shut the world down , destroyed businesses and harmed lives..are not accurate
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

I read the paragraph graciuosb refers to a bit differently.

I read it to say that where there has been a test for SARS Covid-2 and that test is positive, then the death certificate can, and perhaps should, state the cause of death as Covid-19. (SARS Cov-2). But, where there has not been a positive test for SARS Cov-2, because no test was given for whatever reason, then under the totality of the circumstances and taking into account the decedent’s co-morbidities, the death certificate may state the probable cause of death was Covid-19, if that can be stated to a reasonable degree of medical certainty: which is very subjective opinion, upon which reasonable medical minds can differ.

It seems to me, then, that if a test was given and it is negative, the cause of death cannot and should not be stated as Covid19.

So, if I was drilling down on this, I’d want to see how many deaths were labeled Covid19 when there was a negative test or when no test was given. From that you can begin to determine the extent, if any, to which deaths have been labeled Covid19 when they were not

If the tests were negative, the person died from something else. And any claim it was Covid19 would be false.
...

Thank you for this. Good questions and argument, but all of this argument presupposes that the test itself is reliable; according to the inventor of the PCR method it is not reliable for this application:

What type of test is being used? According to CDC, it is the PCR test...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html
CDC has developed a new laboratory test kit for use in testing patient specimens for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes COVID-19. The test kit is called the “Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time Reverse Transcriptase (RT)-PCR Diagnostic Panel.

Who invented the PCR method? It was invented by Kary Mullis... who died when and how?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
Mullis died of pneumonia on August 7, 2019 at age 74 in Newport Beach, California


Kary Banks Mullis (December 28, 1944 – August 7, 2019) was an American biochemist. In recognition of his invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique, he shared the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry with Michael Smith[4] and was awarded the Japan Prize in the same year. His invention became a central technique in biochemistry and molecular biology, described by The New York Times as "highly original and significant, virtually dividing biology into the two epochs of before PCR and after PCR."

Is the test reliable? Here’s an article arguing what the problem is with using PCR to identify the ebola virus... the same problems apply to covid-19 virus identification...

http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-ebola-tests-inventor-says-the-test-is-unreliable/

The Ebola Test’s Inventor Says The Test Is Unreliable, March 2014

he Ebola test: let the test’s inventor speak
Amidst the hysteria about Ebola, one stubborn fact sits like a rock: everything depends upon being able to accurately diagnose Ebola in each patient.

And then it follows: you must examine the test that is being used to diagnose Ebola. Is it accurate? Does it have flaws? Is it being applied correctly?

Because, if there is a serious problem with the test, the whole house of cards collapses. The entire narrative about Ebola is fatally flawed.

Last week, when a man was admitted to a hospital in Dallas, the CDC held a press conference. CDC Director Tom Frieden stated that this patient had been diagnosed with Ebola—with a test that is “highly accurate. It’s a PCR test of blood.” (see the 2m06s mark in the video of the press conference.)

This is, indeed, the test of choice for Ebola.

However, as I’ve written, the PCR test has problems. It is open to errors. One of those errors occurs right at the beginning of the procedure:

Is the sample taken from the patient actually a virus or a piece of a virus? Or is it just an irrelevant piece of debris?

Another problem is inherent in the method of the PCR itself. The test is based on the amplification of a tiny, tiny speck of genetic material taken from a patient—blowing it up millions of times until it can be observed and analyzed.

Researchers who employ the test claim that, as a result of the procedure, they can also infer the quantity of virus that is present in the patient.

This is crucial, because unless a patient has millions and millions of Ebola virus in his body, there is absolutely no reason to think he is sick or will become sick.

So the question is: can the PCR test allow researchers and doctors to say how much virus is in a patient’s body?

Many years ago, journalist John Lauritsen approached a man named Kary Mullis for an answer.

Source-1: For a brief excerpt from John Lauritsen’s article about Kary Mullis, see Frontiers in Public Health, 23 September, 2014, “Questioning the HIV-AIDS hypothesis: 30 years of dissent,” by Patricia Goodson. (See also this.)

Source-2: For John’s 1996 article in full, see “Has Provincetown Become Protease Town?”

“Kary Mullis… is thoroughly convinced that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. With regard to the viral-load tests, which attempt to use PCR for counting viruses, Mullis has stated: ‘Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.’ PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”
Kary Mullis is a biochemist. He is also a Nobel Prize winner (1993, Chemistry).

And oh yes, one other thing.

Mullis invented the PCR.

That’s why he won the Nobel Prize.

Mullis’ answer was succinct: “Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.”

Translation: the PCR test can’t be used to say how much virus is in a person’s body.

Dr. Kary Mullis

Therefore, the CDC’s gold standard for testing Ebola patients says nothing about whether they are sick or will become sick. It says nothing about why some patients do become sick.

And the other problems with the test are significant as well: errors in carrying out the highly sensitive procedure; lab contamination of the sample taken from the patient; choice of a sample that is not a virus at all, or is the wrong virus.

And upon this foundation of sand, the whole “Ebola epidemic” is being foisted on the public.

In analyzing so-called epidemics and their causes for 27 years now (starting with my first book, “AIDS Inc., Scandal of the Century”), I have often pointed out that the diagnostic test is the key—unless people want to jump to conclusions and spread fear and walk down the wrong road, while patients die for reasons other than the stated causes—including misdirected and highly toxic medical treatment.

Again, I point that out now.
by Jon Rappoport

How accurate is the test? ...and other problems (but read the whole 20 page, referenced, article by David Crowe) https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf


Finally, on March 5th 2020 some Chinese scientists dropped a bombshell. According to their analysis, based on reasonable assumptions for asymptomatic people
(e.g. contacts of other cases), “the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%”.[26] This is based on a mathematical analysis using reasonable assumptions for the actual prevalence of the virus, and the performance of the test.

The best case, with the most optimistic assumptions, was still more than 40% false positives.

Thank you for your post and the information you provided.

But, no my points do not presuppose that the tests are reliable. That is a different analysis and requires different proof than what I was speaking to.

Part of what I would drill down on is the reliability question. However, one should start with their own data points and dismantle their claims using their data, protocols and conclusions. Then take it to the next level and show that the tests are not, or may not be, reliable after their credibility is crushed or suspect.

You hoist them up by their own pittards before you kick their asses.

[waves]

Biill you invited comments about the title wording.

I think the title wording contradicts itself. I don't trust the statistics... because I've learned the actual mainstream science of PCR tests, exosomes and the true nature of the particles called virus.

Yes, I agree (in my role of trying to be an organized librarian here! :) ). Your suggestion was fine, but just a little long for a thread title. The problem is that on many devices, long titles can't be properly seen. So I squeezed it to:

Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)


Thank you but I think it still gives the wrong impression.... SORRY.... the sentence basically says "Don't trust the statistics or the science.." NOT TRUE. We "Don't trust the statistics from the LACK of good science behind the so called 'tests'"

[silvanelf]

And oh yes, one other thing.

Mullis invented the PCR.

That’s why he won the Nobel Prize.

Mullis’ answer was succinct: “Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.”

Translation: the PCR test can’t be used to say how much virus is in a person’s body.

Mullis won the Nobel Prize. Now what? Does it mean that Mullis' opinion represents the ultimate truth?
Beware of the logical fallacy of an "Appeal to Authority":

Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority


David Crowe forgot to mention that the Chinese authors of that paper withdraw their article, because:
"However, the false-positive rate of positive results in the screening has not been reported up to now."
In other words, their central assertion was made up out of thin air. Oops.


How accurate is the test? ...and other problems (but read the whole 20 page, referenced, article by David Crowe) https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf


Finally, on March 5th 2020 some Chinese scientists dropped a bombshell. According to their analysis, based on reasonable assumptions for asymptomatic people
(e.g. contacts of other cases), “the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%”.[26] This is based on a mathematical analysis using reasonable assumptions for the actual prevalence of the virus, and the performance of the test.

The best case, with the most optimistic assumptions, was still more than 40% false positives.


[WITHDRAWN: Potential false-positive rate among the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' in close contacts of COVID-19 patients].

Abstractin English, Chinese

Ahead of Print article withdrawn by publisher. Objective: As the prevention and control of COVID-19continues to advance, the active nucleic acid test screening in the close contacts of the patients has been carrying out in many parts of China. However, the false-positive rate of positive results in the screening has not been reported up to now.

[Bill Ryan]

Rawhide68 has asked me to kindly post this on his behalf, as he was unable to. (My duty as a neutral moderator! :P )


https://home.solari.com/the-creation-of-a-false-epidemic-with-jon-rappoport

The Creation of a False Epidemic, with Jon Rappoport

1 April, 2020

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"A step‐op is one in which the bad guys keep going, one intrusion after another. It isn't just West Nile, it's West Nile, then SARS, then Bird Flu, then Swine Flu. It"s all one package, with the idea, in this case, that they'll slowly wear down the resistance and people will buy in, will buy the story, the lie. They want to people to OBEY. That's the whole essence of this op. OBEY. It isn't only about fake epidemics and getting vaccines. It's about operant training in OBEYING. Get it? In general. Obey us. We command, you go along." ~ Ellis Medavoy in interview with Jon Rappoport, from The Matrix Revealed

By Catherine Austin Fitts

Jon Rappoport has been covering the allegations and events regarding the coronavirus and Covid-19 since they first hit the headlines. Check out his columns at his website NoMoreFakeNews.com (https://nomorefakenews.com/).

Jon just recorded three episodes that he wanted to make available to the public. Here they are!

PART I: HOW IT STARTED



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Jon has been busting lies of the medical cartel for many decades and has built very significant evidence regarding the use of medical phenomena to engineer control and a fundamental change in our governance system and to centralize wealth.

Jon Rappoport's Website: NoMoreFakenews (https://nomorefakenews.com/)

[shaberon]

This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day


It was a good mathematical estimate, but the reported average is 419, someone passes every nine minutes. This may include patients from outside the city, so the population average method doesn't work.

I am not sure where to put this, but, I am curious about tracking my "locked" state versus relatively open Sweden, who has close to the same population.

A week before lockdown, we had about a hundred cases. By the time it started about a week ago, we had 1,500, compared to Sweden's 3,500; Sweden had about a hundred at the beginning of March, and now reports 6,000 to our 2,400. So there is about a two week headstart for them in terms of outbreak. They passed the same "ramp" of 1,500 to 2,400 from around March 18-24, which is about a week. So in this early stage, it appears to take a week to get 900 or a 1,000 cases, regardless of following the Swedish model or American. This is not a total lock, we just have many businesses and gatherings stopped and can only go out during the day in limited, distant numbers.

I know that doesn't question the statistics, but regardless of what's behind it, I think they are an accurate list of sick people. Perhaps a better category would be "communicable pulmonary diseases", perhaps in the severity level requiring hospitalization, so we would be looking at how serious the whole related group is, related in terms of human travel and exposure to others.

[Michi]

Also here in Germany there are more and more who question the governmental actions taken:

Here a Google translation:
(Source: http://beatebahner.de/lib.medien/aktualisierte%20Pressemitteilung.pdf



Updated press release from the specialist law firm BAHNER from April 3, 2020
Beate Bahner, specialist lawyer for medical law from Heidelberg, announces a lawsuit against the corona regulation Baden-Württemberg: The measures taken by the federal and state governments are blatantly unconstitutional and violate a multitude of fundamental rights to an unprecedented extent of citizens in Germany. This applies to all Corona regulations of the 16 federal states. In particular, these measures are not justified by the Infection Protection Act, which was quickly revised just a few days ago. Week-long restrictions on going out and bans on contact based on the darkest model scenarios (without taking factual-critical expert opinions into account) as well as the complete closure of companies and businesses without any evidence of infection risk by these businesses and companies are grossly unconstitutional.
The available figures and statistics show that the corona infection is harmless (or presumably has already passed) in more than 95% of the population and therefore does not pose a serious risk to the general public. In contrast, the risk groups of the elderly and people with pre-existing diseases (approx.4.5% of the population) must be taken into account: These people must be protected by appropriate measures both by the government and by the risk groups themselves: for example, through locks the old people's homes, by clarifying the transmission routes (only by droplet infection), by hygiene measures and distance regulations, and in particular by self-protective measures for these vulnerable people, even in the weeks of the epidemic. The medical staff in clinics, doctor's surgeries, old people's homes and nursing services must be supplied with all the necessary material, which the Federal Government has not been able to do to date!
Beate Bahner explains that she will go to the Federal Constitutional Court:
The radical measures taken by the government to ban people from going out and contact 83 million people and to paralyze almost the entire economy for many weeks are not justified by the development of the figures, nor by studies, nor by past experience. The really necessary measures, however, have still not been implemented, as the various lawsuits from clinics, old people's homes and medical practices show. There is also a need for more tests on people who have a lot of exposure to the risk group: these are the caregivers and family members, including the children, who want to visit their relatives. The supermarket employees who have contact with hundreds of people every day are urgently to be tested.
Samples of the population are also required to determine the actual (probably many times higher) number of infections and thus the actual (probably many times lower) percentage of the serious and most serious diseases of the corona virus. The percentage of fatal course of Covid19 was determined by experts to be only 0.1% (this is one person out of 1,000 infected and therefore comparable to a severe flu epidemic). Above all, it urgently needs an
Autopsy of the people who died on / with Corona to determine what actually caused these mostly old people with mostly many illnesses to actually die. A fair presentation of the death toll is also needed, because around 2500 people die each day, including around 900 people a day in nursing homes. 900,000 people die in Germany every year! A correct scientific approach and correct information for people are finally needed!
In particular, the Federal Minister of Health Spahn must finally take the measures - which have so far been neglected - to which his ministry was recently obliged in the new version of the Infection Protection Act: The immediate securing of the supply of necessary medical devices, laboratory diagnostics, aids and the supply of objects of personal protection and products for disinfection!
The shutdown, which has been unique for 70 years and to which the Infection Protection Act expressly does not authorize, seriously violates the constitutional principle of
Proportionality and the constitutional obligation of the state to protect civil liberties and the health of citizens. This government action destroys all the principles of our constitution and our constitutional state, which we celebrated so proudly a few months ago with the 70th anniversary of the Basic Law.
Beate Bahner: “I am really horrified and do not want to reproach myself for not acting as a lawyer and for not defending the rule of law with all the means at my disposal! Because the consequences of the shutdown for society that
The economy, democracy and especially human health will be devastating! "
The lawyer demands: This shutdown must be ended immediately!

Profile:
Beate Bahner has been admitted to the bar for 25 years and is the owner of the BAHNER specialist law firm in Heidelberg. She was successful three times before the Federal Constitutional Court with her constitutional complaints about violations of professional freedom.
Beate Bahner is the author of five medical law books and numerous articles and contributions. Her last book deals with the topic "Law to Combat Corruption in Health Care".

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This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day


It was a good mathematical estimate, but the reported average is 419, someone passes every nine minutes. This may include patients from outside the city, so the population average method doesn't work.

I am not sure where to put this, but, I am curious about tracking my "locked" state versus relatively open Sweden, who has close to the same population.

A week before lockdown, we had about a hundred cases........

I know that doesn't question the statistics, but regardless of what's behind it, I think they are an accurate list of sick people. Perhaps a better category would be "communicable pulmonary diseases", perhaps in the severity level requiring hospitalization, so we would be looking at how serious the whole related group is, related in terms of human travel and exposure to others.

Yes as you wondered, any post just citing and comparing 'reported' statistics belongs in the Covid19: Global reports, news and updates thread.

The appropriate members of this thread are those who completely disagree with all the statistics due to the invalidity of the 'test' we share an understanding of, that makes you different from us because you do believe the statistics.

However, we would welcome your observations about how your country seems to be handling it differently than nearby countries you have knowledge of.

Thank you.



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[Zanshin]

Mypos,

Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

AutumnW - could you possibly expand on the evidence you have examined to support your conclusion that Jon Rappoprt is not credible?

[gnostic9]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xhudT0Ssnt4/




Australian man explains origins of a viral infection.


Love peace and joy to all!
P.S I borrowed the video link form Annandacate's post.

[Mark Tuahmen]

This man be a stupid idiot with no real knowledge of biology and virus! Don't believe!

[Zanshin]

This man be a stupid idiot with no real knowledge of biology and virus! Don't believe!

Mark - would you care to support your eloquent critique with any ---- anything at all???

[Tangri]

This man be a stupid idiot with no real knowledge of biology and virus! Don't believe!

Mark - would you care to support your eloquent critique with any ---- anything at all???

He already explained with "with".

[Tam]

I stumbled on this video earlier today. It's apparently a leaked video from the Hubei province of China (same province Wuhan is in), and the animals there are starting to act very, very odd.

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Huge flocks of crows circling over areas, fish jumping out of rivers and lakes...comments suggest it may be due to a huge number of bodies. Crows are carrion eaters and are known to circle over soon-to-be-dead bodies (like flies, they know when you're about to die), and rumors are circling around that the dead are so many, that they're being stored in underground networks, kind of like the catacombs of Paris. It could explain why crows cluster over certain areas, though that seems nefarious of me, since the bodies would be far beneath the city. I can't imagine the crows could smell that.

As for the fish, some comments suggest they're jumping due to the water becoming anaerobic, which could be indicative of bodies being dumped.

It's also entirely possible that this is due to the 5G rollout, that supposedly is taking place in Wuhan. Just some food for thought.

[waves]

I stumbled on this video earlier today. It's apparently a leaked video from the Hubei province of China (same province Wuhan is in), and the animals there are starting to act very, very odd.....

I see nothing believable about that 'report' and lots of red flags. It's embedded in a purely agenda driven propaganda filled video which is revealed by the fear porn thumbnails within it.

It seems like a poor attempt to find a new scare tactic. They must be running out of angles.


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[Ratszinger]

Well we all just need to make a pact now that before we give up any guns to any would be enforcers that we all at least use one of those bigger weapons to shoot down and destroy 5G towers before handing them over! I've got a 450 Marlin lever action in there for hunting which is basically a 45-70 magnum hyped up on super steroids that would likely do a number on those towers!

[greybeard]

The UK Government has said that in most cases the immune system will take care of the virus.
However the system has to be strengthened by catching colds and flu over the years,
If you prevent people getting the current virus by social distancing then people will fall prey to the next one.

Think what happened to indigenous tribes after first meeting with "white" people - they perished -- their immune system could not handle first exposure to the common cold.

Chris

[waves]

I didn't really get what all the controversy about ventilators in NY had to do with this so called 'flu'.

If this is really a genuine hearted NY ER ICU Doctor, he poses an urgent explanation regarding the tie to 5g that we have been suspecting. The 60hz wave causes deadly oxygen depletion in the body similar to high altitude sickness.

Discerning people are believing him, just seems so dangerous to do full face, I also wonder if it's an agenda 'reveal' and/or another diversion so to speak from an agenda that at it's core is really targeted or mass murder by numerous means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWQPgF6-UQ


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[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting article...wait and see.

https://johnbwellsnews.com/prepare-for-the-mother-of-all-st-storms-if-sweden-pulls-this-off/

Viking

[greybeard]

The immune system is our main protection against colds and flues, it needs upgrading by being exposed to the latest infection.
No one wants to go through the misery of any virus but its natures way of strengthening us in preparation for the next bug.
So those who have caught this current virus are not lepers, many have survived this and will therefore be all the more immune from the next episode --when ever that comes.
Loads of people are immune to the current virus -- look at the numbers checked who are negative.

All the Draconian measures are designed to promote what?
What exactly is the agenda?
You tell me.

Chris

[araucaria]

This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110336-Covid19-the-coming-psycho-social-transition&p=1348514&viewfull=1#post1348514).

[Mypos]

This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110336-Covid19-the-coming-psycho-social-transition&p=1348514&viewfull=1#post1348514).

But one thing that is very different from earlier vaccinations and vaccinations now is that the way it is being done now is totally different. Nowadays they shoot stuff right into the blood vessel and the method in earlier days was completely different. What happens is that you completely bypass all the safety measures of your body by injecting it right in the blood vessel. Also Big Pharma nowadays is like Mafia, not to be trusted at all. Look at all the things that happened in the last decades with side effects from vaccines.

[greybeard]

Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

Data as of Saturday 4th April 2020

UK Cumulative Totals
41,903 cases
4,313 deaths

Now Im not good at percentages but the numbers actually dying is relativly low from 41,903 cases.
Thats just the number of known cases
Many have it off the record and that is accepted by the Government advisors.
If many off the record have had it then it lowers the ratio greatly of death to those who have or have had it.
If you want to promote fear by distorting figures surely you would up the number of deaths.
I actually think this data is fairly accurate.
Here are the links.

Chris

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/

[Richard S.]

This is a global study of Influenza.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

I think the world is being subverted into over-reacting...

[AxisMundi]

This man be a stupid idiot with no real knowledge of biology and virus! Don't believe!

Actually, he's completely correct. This is perhaps the best scientific exploration of why by a Medical Doctor and why we need to understand the science of exosomes in order to understand the true nature of viruses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Wq-alAXQY&t=670s

If you want the really deep and technical science, this presentation by an eminent PhD is well worth looking at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRVxTBuvChU&t=3509s

There are actually two caveats to this, not just the vaccination issue. Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, who is a Medical Doctor of nearly 40 years had a leaked document sent to him from a lab in China showing that COVID - 19 actually has bacterial gene sequencing in it. This is why people have made such remarkable recoveries using a combination of Hydroxy Chloroquine, Azithromycin (an antibiotic) and zinc.

Dr Klinghardt is a living genius and true angel on this earth. I was treated by one of his physicians in a German clinic in 2016 when I was barely able to walk or lift a kettle for many months and his protocol enabled my recovery and brought me to a place where I could do yoga every day.

I'd strong recommend everyone listen to his presentation here which was given a few days ago. It's an absolute goldmine of information concerning every level of treatment strategy for COVID-19:

http://www.sophiaeducate.com/virus-updates-dr-dietrich-klinghardt/

[Matt P]

This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110336-Covid19-the-coming-psycho-social-transition&p=1348514&viewfull=1#post1348514).

The Chinese were so smart about smallpox yet, today, they have virtually no refrigeration nor soap (even in hospitals), little to no environmental controls (so terrible pollution) and wet markets where, again, NO oversight or controls and a huge breeding ground for viruses and bacteria, and everything just poured down the sewers with little treatment? And we wonder why these viruses keep coming from China.
Let’s be clear here. A vaccine DID NOT stop smallpox. Or polio. Or ANY other infectious disease. There is not one shred of credible evidence to support such a claim. Every single infectious disease for which there was or is a vaccine was almost eliminated BEFORE the introduction of said vaccine.
Most importantly, NOT ONE double blind inert placebo study has ever been conducted on even a single vaccine. Ever. And the longer term vaccinated vs unvaccinated study? Also, NEVER been done.
You’ve also obviously not read of the shedding that takes place in vaccinated individuals.

[Philippe]

THERE IS NO 5G IN ECUADOR, AND NEIGHTER IN WUHAN

Thanks Bill for the handy tool to see where there is 5G coverage worldwide: http://nperf.com.
Next thing is of course to immediately check if there is 5G in Wuhan. If this tool is trustworthy there is no 5G in Wuhan.That insight would have helped weeks ago. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere on the long Covid 19 Wuhan thread? But one better knows not the use this argument against 5G with public authorities, press or contacts or you loose face . (See print screen below for the 5G in Wuhan).

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No idea with what technology work the 10.000 antennas in Wuhan for the advanced Chinese tracking and social credit system.
Even if they are only 4G LTE based, the electronic smog of millions of Chinese with smartphones must be tremendous.
But why is Huawei, the champion of 5G, delayed with that roll-out in its homeland China ? One could start developing wild theories about that.

Report about the 5G situation in China :
https://www.lifewire.com/china-5g-4178852

Meanwhile foremost in the USA and UK towers with military grade pulsed ray capacity are raised with priority . And the majority of their population is looking for protection with mouth masks. A weird war-game of attack and defence.(See print screen below for the 5G in New York).

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MODS I can not get the screenshots of Wuhan and New York in the right place . Sorry

Over here the council of my local town-district has issued Friday a rare press release wherein they exclude any 5G in the territory without prior public debate. We keep up with the protest and coordination throughout the lock-down.
Remember "Think globally,ACT locally"

[Mypos]

THERE IS NO 5G IN ECUADOR, AND NEIGHTER IN WUHAN

Thanks Bill for the handy tool to see where there is 5G coverage worldwide: http://nperf.com.
Next thing is of course to immediately check if there is 5G in Wuhan. If this tool is trustworthy there is no 5G in Wuhan.That insight would have helped weeks ago. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere on the long Covid 19 Wuhan thread? But one better knows not the use this argument against 5G with public authorities, press or contacts or you loose face . (See print screen below for the 5G in Wuhan).

Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in Wuhan - nPerf com(3).png (561.6 KB)

No idea with what technology work the 10.000 antennas in Wuhan for the advanced Chinese tracking and social credit system.
Even if they are only 4G LTE based, the electronic smog of millions of Chinese with smartphones must be tremendous.
But why is Huawei, the champion of 5G, delayed with that roll-out in its homeland China ? One could start developing wild theories about that.

Report about the 5G situation in China :
https://www.lifewire.com/china-5g-4178852

Meanwhile foremost in the USA and UK towers with military grade pulsed ray capacity are raised with priority . And the majority of their population is looking for protection with mouth masks. A weird war-game of attack and defence.(See print screen below for the 5G in New York).

Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in USA - nPerf com(1).png (1.32 MB)

MODS I can not get the screenshots of Wuhan and New York in the right place . Sorry

Over here the council of my local town-district has issued Friday a rare press release wherein they exclude any 5G in the territory without prior public debate. We keep up with the protest and coordination throughout the lock-down.
Remember "Think globally,ACT locally"
I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.

[Bill Ryan]

I just want to cross-refer this post, by our very own Mashika (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45714-Mashika). :heart:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89767-My-Favourite-Music&p=1347825&viewfull=1#post1347825

Her 47-year old cousin "had issues breathing, was taken to the hospital, and never came out."

We don't know that was Covid-19, but it sure matches the symptoms. This is real. It can hit anyone you know.

Anyone reading this is well aware how to take good care of themselves. But first one has to acknowledge there's really a problem.

[Elainie]

I didn't really get what all the controversy about ventilators in NY had to do with this so called 'flu'.

If this is really a genuine hearted NY ER ICU Doctor, he poses an urgent explanation regarding the tie to 5g that we have been suspecting. The 60hz wave causes deadly oxygen depletion in the body similar to high altitude sickness.

Discerning people are believing him, just seems so dangerous to do full face, I also wonder if it's an agenda 'reveal' and/or another diversion so to speak from an agenda that at it's core is really targeted or mass murder by numerous means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWQPgF6-UQ


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He is a real MD at Maimonides hospital.

[graciousb]

As a natural born contrarian and non koolaid drinker, I actually do believe this thing is real, very contagious and highly dangerous to some. That said, all restraints against domestic propaganda were removed in the renewal of patriot act in 2012, including with the Broadcasting Board of Governors. Excuse at the time was to battle Al Qaeda, the threat is gone but have they reinstated Smith-Mundt? (1948 law banning domestic propaganda in US). DoD spends many millions if not billions managing narratives. By their own admission. And the CDC although a private company is gov't sanctioned arm of it. So by their own lights, we can't trust them. And there is genuine confusion and contradictory information in all quarters, even without the manipulation factor. The tribes have closed their casinos, which as they are sovereign on their own lands, says a lot.

(To find sources on what I saw above about propaganda look up "Smith Mundt modernization law of 2012'')

[Goba]

Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, who is a Medical Doctor of nearly 40 years had a leaked document sent to him from a lab in China showing that COVID - 19 actually has bacterial gene sequencing in it. This is why people have made such remarkable recoveries using a combination of Hydroxy Chloroquine, Azithromycin (an antibiotic) and zinc.

Actually to my knowledge bacteria do NOT have coding RNA, they have one DNA string (in loop shape) and the RNA present is functional RNA (mostly combined with proteins) so this paper is either a fake or Klinghardt made it up.

Also: The function of the Zinc/Chloroquine and how this disables certain virus RNA copying mechanisms is known, it has nothing to do with DNA or bacteria.
However in the later stage of a severe infection, particularly in a hospital environment, the patient is also exposed to bacteria that enhance the lung problems. These bacteria may have been present before the infection with Covid19 but may not have had a chance to overrun the immune system, Azithromycin takes care of them. In the final stage, close to death, it is the overreaction of the immune response combined with the inefficient disposal of sputum that actually kills.

Another issue I kind of miss in this discussion is:
As the virus makes its way thru the population (in spite of all measures to keep it contained) a HUGE number of people get infected that will never be tested.
However this pool of infected will influence the death rate, naturally as a dead body is easy to count.
So with time favoring ever bigger numbers of infected the number of TESTED does not nearly catch up which MUST lead to a more and more gruesome looking death rate which has no basis in fact but is an artifact of the missing tests.

[waves]

....

Another issue I kind of miss in this discussion is:
As the virus makes its way thru the population (in spite of all measures to keep it contained) a HUGE number of people get infected that will never be tested.
However this pool of infected will influence the death rate, naturally as a dead body is easy to count.
So with time favoring ever bigger numbers of infected the number of TESTED does not nearly catch up which MUST lead to a more and more gruesome looking death rate which has no basis in fact but is an artifact of the missing tests.Thank you for your comments regarding Zinc/Chloroquine but you won't find discussion of the 'issues you miss' here.

As the thread title states, this is a thread where no one believes the the test is yet valid or any of the 'spreading' statistics of any report are believable as characterized.

You'l find at least 10 other threads where your questions based on believing the reported 'death rates' or 'numbers of tested' (as if valid) are welcome.

Thank you for taking them elsewhere.


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[silvanelf]

Mypos,

Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

Don't let your own rightful suspicion of 5G and vaccines be used by crackpots trying to leverage it to make money on YouTube. One physical virus is bad enough. YouTube scammers and fantasy prone individuals have created several more mind viruses.

I dont think Rudolph Steiner and Bruce Lipton are crackpots on youtube who want to make money....

If you look at the hotspots Wuhan and Lombaria you see 5G and mandatory vaccins. That is no evidence but what is evidence these days? Nothing is too be trusted. And its very suspicious that in the hotspots of Covid 19 we have these things, dont you think?



On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.

Sorry, but your alleged quote of Rudolf Steiner is nothing more than New Age garbage, because it clearly contradicts the general viewpoint of Steiner.

Paraphrasing Steiner's view about illnesses and epidemics:

Illness always has an origin at soul level
Bacteria and viruses are real, but they are just a side-effect of an illness and not the cause. In other words: the materialistic medicine confuses causation and correlation.
Epidemics are a result (not the cause!) of widespread fear on a collective level.

[greybeard]

Questioning Conventional Wisdom in the COVID-19 Crisis, with Dr. Jay BhattacharyaRecorded on March 27, 2020

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of medicine at Stanford University. He is a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and a senior fellow at both the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and the Stanford Freeman Spogli Institute. His March 24, 2020, article in the Wall Street Journal questions the premise that “coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines.” In the article he suggests that “there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.” In this edition of Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson we asked Dr. Bhattacharya to defend that statement and describe to us how he arrived at this conclusion. We get into the details of his research, which used data collected from hotspots around the world and his background as a doctor, a medical researcher, and an economist. It’s not popular right now to question conventional wisdom on sheltering in place, but Dr. Bhattacharya makes a strong case for challenging it, based in economics and science.

For further information:
https://www.hoover.org/publications/u...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

Ps I think this presentation is very honest.
The death rate can not be determined at this moment-- however the Dr says, in his opinion, its much lower than the media is putting out.
He also concerned about the effect on the health of people long term by crashing the economy.
Many more can die from a recession than from this virus. Dying due to a depression is a documented fact.
Comes back to is the cure worse than the disease?
Are draconian measure proportional to the dangers of the virus?
The elderly and vulnerable are most at risk but people with a good immune system will only get mild symptoms if any.
So its dangerous but no more so than the former episodes experienced at this time of year.
Chris

[Philippe]

I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.

If you can find other sources that clearly prove there is 5G in Wuhan it would be helpful. So much faulty thinking can occur with lack of true statistics and data. Conclusions are revised every hour in this crisis and many disturbing truths are coming to the surface.

Official sources that say there is 5G can also be pure propaganda. The word 5G is now used for marketing . It sounds oh so good and smart ! And to sell their projects in a non suspicious way the telecom companies are now speaking about " 5G Light". They are adapting the marketing against the growing opposition and questioning. Once the light version is installed nobody has any democratic insight how the hidden and treacherous IT collaborators can program the grid to increase the power. It is that bad.

Hopefully you are an activist in your community. But it is risky in discussions to use an argument like 5G is in full operation in Wuhan if there is no solid proof.

[ExomatrixTV]

Video Removed & BBC inferred I lied. My 2 cents.
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[Phoenix]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

[Bill Ryan]

I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.

If you can find other sources that clearly prove there is 5G in Wuhan it would be helpful.I went to http://nperf.com just now, thinking it would be easy to show the 5G coverage there.

Strangely, none is shown. It's changed over the last few days, but may be a website glitch. It definitely did show the 5G coverage last week, but I never took a screenshot.

The way to find the map easily is to search [site:nperf.com Wuhan], and then pull the menu down to each of China Mobile. China Telecom, and China Unicorn, the three networks there. Maybe we should check again in a few days' time.

[Satori]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

Whoa there Phoenix. Speaking for myself, there is a huge difference between retribution and taking a stand for what you believe in. While I do believe that the guilty parties should be held to account, that is only after they are afforded due process of law and, further, any punishment must be proportional to the conduct of the wrong-doer. In my experience nothing good comes out of positions and actions motivated by frustration and anger and not by reason and "justice."

[waves]

US commands Doctors to alter standards of cause of death reporting to include their assumptions.... but only about CV19.

https://i.postimg.cc/PNsSXH4J/assumed-is-confirmed.jpg



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[Philippe]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

Just now in between writing against 5G I finished this other video of Icke. The scam with the testing is explained very well. At the end at 1:13:18 he mentions a CIA personnel that was implanted and made physically depended. Something similar will be the end result for all with the vaccine. No more place to run for what is coming. We better stand together and act in our communities, it is possible to win by derailing 5G.
An infectious epidemic is raging mainly through the modernized world. But at the same time a terrible multifaceted manipulation is happening. One can also look at it as several evil business models with their marketing tricks that are aiming for the big financial success and world dominance : the vaccine industry and big pharma , the IT and AI industry, the weapons industry, the monopoly of a NWO world government, ...

Physician utterly demolishes the 'covid-19' test' and the very existence of the 'virus' - an absolutely must-watch


https://www.davidicke.com/article/567141/covid-19-5g-whats-connection-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast

[Satori]

US commands Doctors to alter standards of cause of death reporting to include their assumptions.... but only about CV19.

https://i.postimg.cc/PNsSXH4J/assumed-is-confirmed.jpg



https://i.postimg.cc/KvTBKNr3/avalon-signature.jpg

Agreed. Johns Hopkins, one of the participants and I believe hosts of Event 201, reports today that the death toll in the USA due to COVID19 Disease (SARS CV-2 virus) is now 10,300. That is highly suspect for many reasons, including but not limited to:

1. The efficacy and reliability of the tests has not been established. The reliability is simply expected to be taken for granted; yet, among other things, the manufacturer data sheets and specs etc...for the test state otherwise.
2. The tests kits can be contaminated. Not always, but can be.
3. Human error in administering the test is a factor to be considered. False positives are a fact of life, yet when it comes to COVID19 disease, we are not to question the test result.
4. Often no tests were done, yet the presumption or assumption is that the death was due to COVID 19 disease and the CDC and other authorities are requiring that the death certificate conclude so.
5. Many people have COVID virus of some sort in their body and many of these people are advanced in age and have one or more co-morbidities that are, more likely than not, the proximate cause of death to a reasonable degree of medical certainty. In other words, there are many, many cases where an independent expert could not (and would not) say that the death was caused by COVID 19 disease, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty or medical probability, as opposed to some other cause such as a co-morbidity.
6. Many of the people who have died and who have COVID 19 disease listed as the cause of death would have died even if there was no such disease allegedly out there. In other words, if there was no COVID 19 Disease, the cause of death for the people who have died due to "COVID 19 disease" would have been listed as death due to some other cause.
7. This is a minor point, but SARS CV-2, the virus that allegedly causes COVI19 Disease, is not new or novel.
8. "Citizen journalists" are not seeing or hearing on the street what is being reported as occurring in many hospitals.

I'd wager that a scientific study by qualified truly independent experts (not "experts" paid by special interest) of the deaths in the USA and elsewhere in the world attributed to COVID 19 disease will show that the death rate is inflated by at 80-90%, or more.

[Bill Ryan]

I thought was worth posting: a straight copy-and-paste from a Guardian article 10 hours ago.

The point here is that if these statistics are correct (and of course, some may doubt those, too), it's pretty easy to find a US hospital that has no coronavirus patients. Because 1 in 4 US hospitals don't have any yet.


https://theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-as-trump-again-touts-hydroxychloroquine?page=with:block-5e8b08ef8f08c9eaf0daf4ac#block-5e8b08ef8f08c9eaf0daf4ac

~~~
Three in four hospitals in the US are already treating patients with confirmed or suspected coronavirus infections, according to a report compiled by the US government.

The federal report due to published later on Monday, but already seen by the Associated Press, finds that hospitals expect to be overwhelmed, with a range of problems feeding off each other in a vicious cycle.

Ann Maxwell, an assistant inspector general at the Department of Health and Human Services, told AP that problems such including insufficient tests, slow results, a scarcity of protective gear, a shortage of ventilators and burned-out medical staffs were leading to a cascade or domino effect.

The US has more diagnosed cases in the global pandemic than any other country, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Projections show the nation will see the peak impact later this month.

The report is based on a telephone survey of 323 hospitals around the country, from March 23-27. Of the 323 hospitals in the survey, 117 reported they were treating one or more patients with confirmed COVID-19, while 130 said they were treating one or more patients suspected to have the disease. Suspected infections are treated similarly, because of the uncertainties around testing.

Only 32 hospitals said they were not treating any patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19. Another 44 hospitals did not provide that information.

[AutumnW]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

Whoa there Phoenix. Speaking for myself, there is a huge difference between retribution and taking a stand for what you believe in. While I do believe that the guilty parties should be held to account, that is only after they are afforded due process of law and, further, any punishment must be proportional to the conduct of the wrong-doer. In my experience nothing good comes out of positions and actions motivated by frustration and anger and not by reason and "justice."

Phoenix, do you mean vindication? Retribution sounds like revenge or payback...something of that nature. I don't think you can sue for wrongful opinions either. It would be high comedy if you tried, particularly in this case.

[Mypos]

I think what Phoenix is trying to say its nice to see a legend like David Icke totally confirm your own theory. Thats what it feels like for me. Allthough i know its all Ego, it does give some sort of feeling of acknowledgement that its not all too crazy what you think of. Because i think most of us can agree when you speak these things against loved ones it can be quite tough. Anger, ridicule etc etc and hardly any progress in people who start researching this stuff for themselves. I came to the conclusion that its pointless. But i still keep speaking my truth from time to time.

[Mypos]

I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.

If you can find other sources that clearly prove there is 5G in Wuhan it would be helpful. So much faulty thinking can occur with lack of true statistics and data. Conclusions are revised every hour in this crisis and many disturbing truths are coming to the surface.

Official sources that say there is 5G can also be pure propaganda. The word 5G is now used for marketing . It sounds oh so good and smart ! And to sell their projects in a non suspicious way the telecom companies are now speaking about " 5G Light". They are adapting the marketing against the growing opposition and questioning. Once the light version is installed nobody has any democratic insight how the hidden and treacherous IT collaborators can program the grid to increase the power. It is that bad.

Hopefully you are an activist in your community. But it is risky in discussions to use an argument like 5G is in full operation in Wuhan if there is no solid proof.

Im an activist in growing organic foods and trying to broaden this Silent Revolution like that. I will get back to you with the proof about 5G in Wuhan.

[waves]

https://i.postimg.cc/VkdxXLsG/sheep-in-masks.jpg

[greybeard]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

Yes but!!
The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
The "virus" does kill people -- be it seasonal flu or whatever.
Figures can not be trusted because the number of people who have had this ,with minor symptoms, have not been added into the statistics.
My main focus -- regardless of what it is -- The cure is worse than the disease.
The measures taken will have long reaching effect on many hard working people who now face being jobless -- and possibly a bankrupt world economy.
Dont like the word hoax--- a seasonal flu if thats what it is-- is not a hoax.
I think Phoenix just got the word retribution wrong but otherwise his post is correct -- not looking for vindication-- early days yet.
Chris

[Phoenix]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

I want retribution for myself, greybeard, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.

Whoa there Phoenix. Speaking for myself, there is a huge difference between retribution and taking a stand for what you believe in. While I do believe that the guilty parties should be held to account, that is only after they are afforded due process of law and, further, any punishment must be proportional to the conduct of the wrong-doer. In my experience nothing good comes out of positions and actions motivated by frustration and anger and not by reason and "justice."

Phoenix, do you mean vindication? Retribution sounds like revenge or payback...something of that nature. I don't think you can sue for wrongful opinions either. It would be high comedy if you tried, particularly in this case.

ah, yes! youre right! :)

[Phoenix]

but also, wrong-doing for me personally being ridiculed over and over by Bill, told i was "in denial, this is not the truman show" and even banned by the main CV thread. Bill do you acknowledge you were wrong? I want an apology

[Philippe]

Your quote :
Figures can not be trusted because the number of people who have had this ,with minor symptoms, have not been added into the statistics.

Chris you miss the extreme importance of the podcast of Icke with your point !

If the described testing is faulty in the sense that not a virus but an exosome (excrement for stress or poison reaction) is discovered than "the virus" will be found in millions of persons on the planet and the door to mandatory vaccinations will be wide open ! The theory of Dr. Kaufmann is of capital importance.
If other different testing is going on we should make the distinction. I posted on the contrarian thread (unfortunately in the background now !) how there is testing going on in Germany to detect antibodies but I have no more news about that.

[Mypos]

Mypos,

Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

Don't let your own rightful suspicion of 5G and vaccines be used by crackpots trying to leverage it to make money on YouTube. One physical virus is bad enough. YouTube scammers and fantasy prone individuals have created several more mind viruses.

I dont think Rudolph Steiner and Bruce Lipton are crackpots on youtube who want to make money....

If you look at the hotspots Wuhan and Lombaria you see 5G and mandatory vaccins. That is no evidence but what is evidence these days? Nothing is too be trusted. And its very suspicious that in the hotspots of Covid 19 we have these things, dont you think?



On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.

Sorry, but your alleged quote of Rudolf Steiner is nothing more than New Age garbage, because it clearly contradicts the general viewpoint of Steiner.

Paraphrasing Steiner's view about illnesses and epidemics:

Illness always has an origin at soul level
Bacteria and viruses are real, but they are just a side-effect of an illness and not the cause. In other words: the materialistic medicine confuses causation and correlation.
Epidemics are a result (not the cause!) of widespread fear on a collective level.


In what way does this contradict each other?

And new age garbage? How did you come to that conclusion? I any the statements you name are more New Age-y then my Steiner statement. And its not like all theorys or statements that look like or have overlap with New Age stuff are false. There is enough truth in New Age. Why do you think so many people are interested in it?
I got my information from this man by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LLgHMt-Lbo

[greybeard]

Your quote :
Figures can not be trusted because the number of people who have had this ,with minor symptoms, have not been added into the statistics.

Chris you miss the extreme importance of the podcast of Icke with your point !

If the described testing is faulty in the sense that not a virus but an exosome (excrement for stress or poison reaction) is discovered than "the virus" will be found in millions of persons on the planet and the door to mandatory vaccinations will be wide open ! The theory of Dr. Kaufmann is of capital importance.
If other different testing is going on we should make the distinction. I posted on the contrarian thread (unfortunately in the background now !) how there is testing going on in Germany to detect antibodies but I have no more news about that.

Yes agreed. I was just replying to the post by Phoenix rather than the David Icke video.
I cant see the point of vaccinating people after an "epidemic" has passed peak.
As I have said our immune system automatically upgrades each time it is exposed to any threat.
Chris

[Philippe]

Your quote :
Figures can not be trusted because the number of people who have had this ,with minor symptoms, have not been added into the statistics.

Chris you miss the extreme importance of the podcast of Icke with your point !

If the described testing is faulty in the sense that not a virus but an exosome (excrement for stress or poison reaction) is discovered than "the virus" will be found in millions of persons on the planet and the door to mandatory vaccinations will be wide open ! The theory of Dr. Kaufmann is of capital importance.
If other different testing is going on we should make the distinction. I posted on the contrarian thread (unfortunately in the background now !) how there is testing going on in Germany to detect antibodies but I have no more news about that.

Yes agreed. I was just replying to the post by Phoenix rather than the David Icke video.
I cant see the point of vaccinating people after an "epidemic" has passed peak.
As I have said our immune system automatically upgrades each time it is exposed to any threat.
Chris

Be careful again and for all who read here: it is not about the vaccination for this epidemic (they were not ready with the tracking nano bot vaccine). It is about the vaccination for the next wave ! When all faulty tests are alarmingly finding "' a false virus" it is easy to impose mandatory vaccinations. Some people are afraid that the next outbreak is closer than we think (who knows with continued 5G roll-out ?)

[David Trd1]

Amendment: Realised i had posted a video there is an entire thread about here....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110553-I--m-Worried-About-David-Icke-Today...

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

but also, wrong-doing for me personally being ridiculed over and over by Bill, told i was "in denial, this is not the truman show" and even banned by the main CV thread. Bill do you acknowledge you were wrong? I want an apologyNo apology. :)

In case you're not fully aware, I've been stating the following all along, from the start. And I'm confident I'm 100% correct.


The virus is real, and is dangerous. No "hoax".
It's a bioweapon. Weapons usually do what exactly what they're designed to do!
There's an agenda. (Of course.) The entire affair has been engineered. The situation is dangerous, as well as the virus. The problems on the ground for hospitals and healthcare workers (and vulnerable people) are real, as well. And so is the great danger to the global economy, small businesses, individual rights and freedoms, and a score of other important things.

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwAR2g2DibSMKEonz9lp4_p8aoJrGOtleUCLS2aE4M vDBW9qwftsqsZbeYbkU&app=desktop


Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

[Michi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwAR2g2DibSMKEonz9lp4_p8aoJrGOtleUCLS2aE4M vDBW9qwftsqsZbeYbkU&app=desktop


Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

It says "Video unavailable". What is it about?

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwAR2g2DibSMKEonz9lp4_p8aoJrGOtleUCLS2aE4M vDBW9qwftsqsZbeYbkU&app=desktop


Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?


It says "Video unavailable". What is it about?


Let's see now .....hmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&t=2156s

[waves]

This is Perspectives on the Pandemic | Professor Knut Wittkowski | Episode 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg)

Despite being an alumni of a university with the name Rockefeller, he actually came out with his ethical soul intact.

**** I'm not paid by the government, so I'm entitled to actually do science. If there had been no intervention, the epidemic would have been over.*****

"In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity."

Interview highlights:
00:36-Professor Wittkowski explains his recommendations for how to best deal with COVID-19
01:36-Is self-isolation prolonging the duration of COVID-19?
02:33-Are policies of self-isolation or shelter-in-place a good idea?
03:46-The pandemic is over
04:27-Did China lie about its COVID-19 statistics?
05:03-The truth behind the statistics given by the government of the United States
07:52-Are we even reporting flu deaths anymore?
08:16-Why are hospitals being overwhelmed?
09:16-Shortage of medial supplies
10:19-Has social distancing prevented deaths from COVID-19?
11:55-Staying indoors can make the virus worse
16:02-Why social distancing won’t work for an airborne contagion
17:41-Do we need a vaccine for COVID-19?
18:31-Humans can grow immune to this virus
18:55-The data doesn’t say that COVID-19 is more contagious than the flu
22:43-Changes in reporting COVID-19 cases
25:33-What makes COVID-19 different than the Swine Flu
27:05-What are the possible health risks of sheltering in place?
27:43-The “Second Wave” of COVID-19
30:10-The truth about #FlattentheCurve
31:10-What should we do about sheltering in place?
32:24-Why we need to achieve natural herd immunity
34:17-Should we be testing everyone for COVID-19?
35:35-The real effects of COVID-19
38:53-The percentage of people who won’t have any symptoms
39:34-What should we do about COVID-19 at this point?
40:40-Is this really a pandemic?
40:50-What you should know



added: I agree with commenters that he's more reacting as if it is a 'normal' flu from his experiences, and is not taking into account the related hi-tech anomalies.


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[onawah]

COVID and a 5G connection?
by Jon Rappoport
April 7, 2020

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/07/covid-and-a-5g-connection/

"No blanket assertions here. No claims that 5G technology “activates the virus.” No across-the-board answers. Instead, several key questions, and a few possible clues.

I have to set the context. As I’ve been emphasizing, what is being called COVID-19 is not one disease with one cause. It’s not one thing.

Instead, people with VARIOUS traditional diseases are being corralled, clustered, and counted by public health officials under ONE fake umbrella term, “COVID-19.”

I’ve also emphasized that in these fake-cluster situations, some people may be suffering from new conditions. For example, the effects of a vaccination campaign—which, by the way, was apparently carried out in a region of northern Italy prior to “the emergence of COVID.”

In this article, I have comments on 5G wireless technology—not as an all-inclusive explanation for “COVID”—but as a possible explanation for what several doctors are observing in some patients in New York and Italy.

What are they observing? Extreme shortness of breath, life threatening, but without the usual indicators of respiratory failure or failure of the lungs to operate. The lungs can operate. The patients are apparently suffering from straight oxygen deprivation. Lack of oxygen. As if they were suddenly thrust into high altitude.

Several doctors are saying these patients must be given oxygen through breathing ventilators—but not at high pressure, because that could damage the lungs and even cause death. Instead, the increase in oxygen must be gently accomplished.

For example, an ER doctor in Brooklyn has made a video in which he describes what he calls a new dire situation. His name is Cameron Kyle-Sidell. Watch the video and listen to what he says. He warns that incorrect use of breathing ventilators could be harming and killing patients.

https://www.youtube[dot]com/watch?v=1EWQPgF6-UQ

https://www.youtube[dot]com/watch?v=QWaq8HoEROU

In Italy, several doctors are asserting a very similar, or identical, situation: “Covid-19 Does Not Lead to a ‘Typical’ Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome,” by Luciano Gattinoni1, Silvia Coppola, Massimo Cressoni3, Mattia Busana, Davide Chiumello:

“However, the patients with Covid-19 pneumonia…present an atypical form of the syndrome. Indeed, the primary characteristics we are observing (confirmed by colleagues in other hospitals), is the dissociation between their relatively well preserved lung mechanics and the severity of hypoxemia [abnormally low level of oxygen]…intubation [with breathing ventilators] should be prioritized to avoid excessive intrathoracic negative pressures and self-inflicted lung injury. After considering that, all we can do ventilating these patients is ‘buying time’ with minimum additional damage: the lowest possible PEEP [a method of ventilation in which airway pressure is maintained above atmospheric pressure] and gentle ventilation. We need to be patient.”

https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE

—Patients who aren’t suffering from respiratory failure, whose lungs are functioning, who are experiencing straight oxygen deprivation. What could explain that?

Here, from a 2001 rfglobalnet.com article, we may have a clue: “At the millimeter wave frequency of 60GHz, the absorption is very high, with 98 percent of the transmitted energy [from 5G waves] absorbed by atmospheric oxygen. While oxygen absorption at 60GHz severely limits range, it also eliminates interference between same frequency terminals.”

https://www.rfglobalnet.com/doc/fixed-wireless-communications-at-60ghz-unique-0001

In other words, a) 60GHz is a very good frequency band for 5G transmissions, and b) nearly all of the 5G energy is absorbed by oxygen. Suppose that is also true for oxygen in the human body?

What would be the effects of 5G transmissions on the body? Could these waves distort oxygen and/or its uptake by hemoglobin, which carries this vital element to cells of the body? Could the impairment create a straight oxygen deprivation in the body—without structurally affecting the lungs themselves—creating the new condition described by the doctors I’ve cited above?

—Add to all this—the fact that 60GHz is an unlicensed frequency band, which means that telecomm companies can use it without paying very large fees they would pay for licensed bands.

Is 5G at 60GHz being deployed in New York, Italy, and Wuhan?

I should also add: these doctors ought to consider the use of hyperbaric oxygen chambers for their patients. The technicians, MDs, and researchers involved would need to be experts, and from what I’ve seen, not many are. Slap-dash formulaic use of hyperbaric oxygen won’t do. Harm could result. The apparatus itself is, of course, non-invasive.

Interested doctors could consult with Dr. Paul Harch at hbot.com."

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg
Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

Some preliminary thoughts. (But not finished yet.)


He said schools should remain open, so that younger people get their own herd immunity fast. But the problem is, they go home and infect their parents and grandparents.



He appears to believe China's statistics.



He said he doesn't understand why the curve should be flattened. The argued reason for that is that then the whole thing is "damped down" (like damping the core of a nuclear reactor) to allow the healthcare systems to cope (and save lives) without being overwhelmed.



Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.



The debate then is about whether to save the economy, or to save the weaker members of society. I've not watched it all yet, but I've yet to see him register any compassion at all for anyone.

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg
Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

Some preliminary thoughts. (But not finished yet.)


He said schools should remain open, so that younger people get their own herd immunity fast. But the problem is, they go home and infect their parents and grandparents.



He appears to believe China's statistics.



He said he doesn't understand why the curve should be flattened. The argued reason for that is that then the whole thing is "damped down" (like damping the core of a nuclear reactor) to allow the healthcare systems to cope (and save lives) without being overwhelmed.



Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.



The debate then is about whether to save the economy, or to save the weaker members of society. I've not watched it all yet, but I've yet to see him register any compassion at all for anyone.



More: (Man alive, I do NOT like this guy)


He's right about the virus not spreading so easily outdoors. Some of the lockdown measures (e.g. hiking trails and cycle paths closed) seem very unnecessary and point to another agenda.



He talks about comparing this "to other flus and regular flu". He's referring to this as another flu. Maybe he's speaking casually, but this isn't a flu virus of any kind.



He says that at first, "the Chinese didn't know what they were dealing with." I'd argue that they knew exactly what they were dealing with.



He's right to doubt the efficacy of vaccines. Not that many medical authorities are saying this, but an effective vaccine for this may be impossible.



He contradicts himself when he says he doesn't think it's that contagious (he really means "infectious", but this is a fine distinction), but at the same time he says it's airborne. Any virus that's airborne infects a LOT of people easily. An airborne virus is an epidemiologist's worse case scenario.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Candace telling it, as she always does. (I've seen similar observations elsewhere)

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1247287993095897088

[DaveToo]

I'd like to offer this, if I may:

It seems to me very probable — but I do not know this as a fact — that an honest doctor, not wanting or being ordered to cover anything up, when signing a death certificate, would ask themselves:

"Would this patient have died right now had they not contracted Covid-19?"
And if the answer's No, then that becomes the cause.

My father was 91 when his doctor recommended he come in for a 'stress test'.
Lord only knows why any doctor in this world would submit a 90+ year old human being to a stress test!

After testing, he recommended he have heart surgery through his leg to correct a blockage on one side of his heart.
After going out to dinner with friends Friday night he was admitted to hospital the next day for surgery.

Following surgery my father was not cooperating with the nurses so two young male nurses decided to shoot up my father with drugs rather than physically try to subdue him.

They continued giving him sedatives for the next few days.
I visited him at this time and saw immediately that his brain was entirely messed up and he had lost most of his cognitive functions.

He died a few days later.

Do you think they would have put "stupid decision by doctor to have heart surgery" or "stupid decision by nurses to force sedative drugs into him" as the cause of death on his death certificate?

[DaveToo]

This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction.

If he had said, "a virus is not transmissible naturally" would you have been OK with that?

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg
Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

Some preliminary thoughts. (But not finished yet.)


He said schools should remain open, so that younger people get their own herd immunity fast. But the problem is, they go home and infect their parents and grandparents.



He appears to believe China's statistics.



He said he doesn't understand why the curve should be flattened. The argued reason for that is that then the whole thing is "damped down" (like damping the core of a nuclear reactor) to allow the healthcare systems to cope (and save lives) without being overwhelmed.



Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.



The debate then is about whether to save the economy, or to save the weaker members of society. I've not watched it all yet, but I've yet to see him register any compassion at all for anyone.


Yes agreed he lacks empathy and seems to just think this is a natural virus which is the issue.

[DaveToo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg
Thoughts about this for anyone who's watched it?

Some preliminary thoughts. (But not finished yet.)


He said schools should remain open, so that younger people get their own herd immunity fast. But the problem is, they go home and infect their parents and grandparents.



He appears to believe China's statistics.



He said he doesn't understand why the curve should be flattened. The argued reason for that is that then the whole thing is "damped down" (like damping the core of a nuclear reactor) to allow the healthcare systems to cope (and save lives) without being overwhelmed.



Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.

...


*"He said schools should remain open, so that younger people get their own herd immunity fast. But the problem is, they go home and infect their parents and grandparents."

He mentioned at the same time that the elderly (parents and grandparents) should be separated for about a month and then brought back to the home.

*"He said he doesn't understand why the curve should be flattened. The argued reason for that is that then the whole thing is "damped down" (like damping the core of a nuclear reactor) to allow the healthcare systems to cope (and save lives) without being overwhelmed."

That's not what he said, you are putting words into his mouth.
He said he doesn't understand why people are trying to flatten the curve.
There is a BIG difference between the two!

HE KNOWS why (understands why) the curve should NOT be flattened.
He doesn't know why other people don't understand this. That's what he said.
He then goes on to explain exactly why the curve should not be flattened.

*"Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted."

Again this is not what he was saying. Yes he was saying to let it run its course naturally, BUT he said you would obviously treat those who were seriously ill.

[onawah]

MIT PhD Scientist: Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates Want Every Person on the Planet Vaccinated
4/7/20
Vaccine Impact
https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/mit-phd-scientist-dr-fauci-and-bill-gates-want-every-person-on-the-planet-vaccinated/

https://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/shiva-ayyadurai.jpg

by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

"In our effort to expose our readership to alternative views on the current COVID19 crisis, we want to feature the work of another scientist who does not follow the narrative being given to the public by our government officials and the corporate-sponsored “mainstream” media.

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai has a long list of credentials that should allow him to have a voice in the current COVID19 pandemic, but it is highly unlikely you will come across his views outside of the alternative media.

Dr. Shiva is the inventor of email and polymath, and holds four degrees from MIT.

He is a Fulbright Scholar, Lemelson-MIT Awards Finalist, India’s First Outstanding Scientist and Technologist of Indian Origin, Westinghouse Science Talent Honors Award recipient, and a nominee for the U.S. National Medal of Technology and Innovation.

His love of medicine and complex systems began in India when he became intrigued with medicine at the age of five as he observed his grandmother, a farmer and healer in the small village of Muhavur in South India, apply Siddha, India’s oldest system of traditional medicine, to heal and support local villagers.

In 1978, as a 14-year-old, after completing a special program in computer science at the Courant Institute of Mathematical Science at NYU, Ayyadurai was recruited by the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ) as a Research Fellow, where he developed the first electronic emulation of the entire interoffice mail system (Inbox, Outbox, Folders, Address Book, Memo, etc.), which he named “EMAIL,” to invent the world’s first email system, resulting in him being awarded the first United States Copyright for Email, Computer Program for Electronic Mail System.

Ayyadurai went on to receive four degrees from MIT, including a bachelors in electrical engineering and computer science, and a dual master’s degree in mechanical engineering and visual studies from the MIT Media Laboratory.

In 2003, he returned to MIT to complete his doctoral work in systems biology within the Department of Biological Engineering, where he developed CytoSolve®, a scalable computational platform for modeling the cell by dynamic integration of molecular pathways models.

Following his doctoral work, he returned to India on a Fulbright, where he discovered the systems theoretic basis of eastern systems of medicine, resulting in Systems Health®, a new educational program that provides a scientific foundation of integrative medicine. While at MIT, he also developed a pioneering new course called Systems Visualization which integrates systems theory, narrative story telling, metaphor and data visualization to provide visualization of complex systems. (Source.)

This past weekend (April, 2020) he was interviewed by the X22 Report. (Note: Health Impact News has no knowledge of this group, and advertisements are embedded into their video.)

Dr. Shiva starts out by explaining the difference between what he calls the “reductionist approach” to medicine and health, and the “systemic approach,” which as an engineer, is the approach he subscribes to.

Rather than focus on a single cause (the coronavirus) to a disease, his approach is to view the body’s “operating system,” which is the immune system. He points out the fact that each one of us carries around over 328 TRILLION viruses in our body, so attributing an illness to a single virus is short-sighted.

Dr. Shiva discusses the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals, which has 17 points for developing a “utopia” for the world.

Part of the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals is the World Health Organization’s IA2030, which is designed to achieve this worldwide “utopia” by seeking to vaccinate every person on the planet.

Dr. Shiva has a long history with the U.S. Government’s top medical doctor controlling the nation’s COVID19 response, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

“This guy is a total front man (for Big Pharma), and no one will call him out. And do you know why? Because all the academics, many of whom I went to school with and studied with, they all have to pay homage to people like Fauci because they control their grant funding.”

Dr. Shiva claims he is an independent researcher who is self-funded, therefore he is able to speak freely.

He mentions the fact that Dr. Fauci is on the leadership council for the Gates Foundation, and that Fauci is best known for developing what he calls the “PR Campaign” to convince the public that the HIV virus caused AIDS. Much research has been conducted that concludes there is no relationship between HIV and AIDS.

Like many other scientists and medical doctors we have featured here at Health Impact News, Dr. Shiva states his concern that the response to the COVID19 pandemic does not match the actual threat to the public. So when the facts do not support the action, we need to look for another cause for the actions.

“This is like the payday for pharma. They have to crash our economy… What’s the result they get? Well, imagine every man, woman, and child, all 7 billion people, extracting about $1000 a year from them, you’re looking at a $7 trillion payback.”

Another purpose of the current actions taken as a result of COVID19, according to Dr. Shiva, is to squash dissent. People cannot congregate and protest if they are confined to their homes, and this started in Wuhan, China, where months earlier there were massive protests due to the horrible pollution in the city.

Dr. Shiva believes there are strong connections between the U.S. CDC and China, and speculates that China is able to take over our economy and squash dissenters as has been done in China.

“What are we heading to becoming? When China has 200 million cameras everywhere. We want to put cameras everywhere. We want people to potentially have fingerprints for whether they got their vaccines or not. This is China 2.0. Are we going to become a colony of China?”

Watch the full interview.
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[Goba]

Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.


The guy has an "Adams Family" touch - so yes, from the outside he is not extremely likeable BUT what he says is mostly sound.

what you forget and what is rarely if ever discussed is: how many death by suicide/depression and general suffering will this shutdown cause in the end.

he is a very practical guy and I think his approach is the only one working in the grand scheme of things. If Chloroquine was distributed to everyone freely this "pandemic" would likely result in VERY FEW deaths, way fewer than the flu.

There are different kinds of compassion, one based is new-age feel good and one based in wisdom. I suspect his compassion is the latter. I also guess he would have chosen a different occupation being without any compassion, e.g. join the heroic military LOL.

[onawah]

CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed
April 7, 2020
By C. Douglas Golden
The Western Journal
https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed (https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/)

http://projectavalon.net/CDC_Tells_Hospitals_To_List_COVID_as_Cause_of_Death.mp4
Source: http://projectavalon.net/CDC_Tells_Hospitals_To_List_COVID_as_Cause_of_Death.mp4

"The problem with making informed decisions about coronavirus is that we don’t have a whole lot of data on it at the moment.

The data that we do have, meanwhile, could end up being terminally skewed, particularly the data that’s been coming out of China.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidance on determining COVID-19 as a cause of death isn’t going to help those numbers.

Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case.

Instead, even if the coronavirus was just a contributing factor or if it’s “assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” it can be listed as the primary cause.

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, or ICD, has established the code U07.1 for death by coronavirus infection. There’s a secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” according to the CDC guidance.

“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

Therein lies the problem.

“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”

Author and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, one of the few well-known figures to question some of the statistics on COVID-19, questioned the new CDC guidelines as well:

1/ As you sit home watching #COVID death counts spiral, please know the official @CDCgov guidance for coding COVID-related deaths is as follows: any death where the disease “caused or is *assumed* to have caused or *contributed to* death.” Confirmed lab tests are not required… pic.twitter.com/H4D6mcti3R

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) April 3, 2020

2/ And, btw, other possibly relevant factors, like, oh, COPD, are considered secondary. The rules “are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.” https://t.co/o003zuLQHt

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) April 3, 2020

Earlier this week, President Donald Trump and members of his coronavirus task force announced that they were expecting a death toll of between 100,000 and 240,000 from coronavirus.

In an article on Friday, The Washington Post said some experts didn’t think the White House’s prediction models were accurate. It wasn’t because those experts thought that figure was too high or too low: It’s just because they didn’t think there was enough data to determine a death range yet.

“We don’t have a sense of what’s going on in the here and now, and we don’t know what people will do in the future,” Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist whose work was used by the White House to determine the death ranges, said.

“We don’t know if the virus is seasonal, as well.”

It doesn’t help that data when the guidelines for determining who’s actually died of the coronavirus are profoundly vague.

For instance, what happens when an elderly person with numerous underlying conditions comes into the hospital and dies?

What happens when someone suffering from late-stage cancer or liver failure dies in the hospital? If that person was in the final stages of life and no testing is done and no autopsy conducted, what are we to assume?

If no testing is done and a patient’s symptoms are close enough to the seasonal flu, will that person’s death automatically be attributed to COVID-19? And how much of a difference would that make in the numbers, if any?

The Western Journal has emailed the CDC for comment, but did not hear back in time for publication of this article.

There’s no doubt that this guidance will inflate the numbers, the only question is how drastically.

In places like New York City, where medical professionals are painfully overstretched, anyone who dies with an infection that’s vaguely COVID-19-like could potentially have COVID-19 listed as their cause of death.

Consider, for instance, that the CDC is estimating there were between 24,000 and 63,000 deaths in the United States from influenza between October and March.

In NYC, does that mean some of those deaths got lumped under COVID-19? Will this keep on happening?

If so, that could skew the data in a significantly different direction — and it could influence the government’s intervention to stop the spread of the virus.

This is a haphazard way to gather data at a time when that data needs to be more accurate than ever. We can and should do better than this."

[rgray222]

It is pretty hard to trust the statistics when you know that China is leveraging a so-called pandemic that allegedly started in their country. Generally, you can follow the money and/or the power benefit to determine who and why something was started. As we move through the evolutionary stages of this crisis it is becoming blatantly clear that China is drawing a great deal of global power and money into their country for something that they may very well have begun.


China Uses Medical Equipment As Leverage To Get Other Countries To Use Huawei 5G

While China is working with other countries to assist with shortages of personal protection equipment and other medical supplies, it appears that assistance may come with a catch: Use Huawei to implement 5G.

In an interview with Fox News Sunday, Rep. Mark Green (R-TN), told of a conference call Saturday with French president Emanuel Macron had asked for 1 billion masks from Chinese President Xi Jinping and the Chinese president’s response was “We’ll give them to you if you implement 5G with Huawei.” The congressman emphatically declared, “That’s who China is, and it’s time the world wake up and recognize it.”

In a tweet linking to the interview, Rep. Green wrote, “We must increase our strategic stockpiles and fix our reliance on China - the country that started this virus - for our Nation’s supply of medications and medical supplies.”

Source: https://www.mrctv.org/index.php/blog/china-uses-stockpile-medical-equipment-leverage-attempt-get-other-countries-use-huawei-5g

[Billy]

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The Latest Coronavirus Attack Is A Cover for Restricting Our Health Freedoms

By Scott C. Tips, NHF President

Last year I was invited to speak once again at the International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology (IAOMT) Conference to be held in early March 2020 in Dallas, Texas. I had spoken at the organization’s 2019 event held in Indianapolis, Indiana and it was a great success. This organization of holistic dentists is one of the finest I know, and its events are always well-attended, well-planned, and put on impeccably. This year I spoke on the topic of vaccines, government mandates, and how to resist them legally. At the time, the coronavirus pandemic was just starting to get rolling worldwide and I began my speech by complimenting the assembled dentists and dental personnel on their bravery in attending the event when so many other public events, including Expo West in Anaheim, California were being cancelled. I felt that they all deserved a medal or at least an award, but they surprised me by presenting me with an award instead.



Part of my speech was about the coronavirus. But many additional facts have come to light and much has happened since I spoke on the subject then, as the World hurls itself off the cliff into destruction far below. In a rapidly changing environment, I can only present a snapshot here of our current knowledge of the COVID-19 drama that is being enacted before our eyes. It is important that none of us are stampeded into being the obedient slaves that the massive fear-mongering campaign waged by the Deep-State media and government would have us become.

Mortality Rate?

In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) itself has stated that for the 2019-2020 flu season, 22,000 Americans have died of the seasonal flu while approximately 1,000 Americans have died to date of the COVID-19 flu. Even applying reported worldwide figures for COVID-19 deaths, we have under 7,000 deaths. That is still tragic, but the worldwide COVID-19 figures are far less worldwide than are the seasonal flu deaths in America alone! Not to even mention that the European death rates are lower so far in 2020 than those in 2017.

And for all of this, the U.S. and State and local governments are willing to trash the American economy and destroy the domestic and international financial markets, most of which are based on the U.S. dollar? And why now? We must ask ourselves these questions because this drastic approach was not adopted during earlier epidemics with far more deadly viruses. So, why now?

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COVID-19 is the weakest of the seven serious flus and diseases (West Nile, SARS, Bird flu, Swine flu, Ebola, and Zika) we have had since 2002. So far, as mentioned above, it is even less deadly – by one-half – than the ordinary seasonal flu. Bob Luddy, writing for The American Spectator, went even further, “This season the flu has killed 22,000 Americans versus 388 dead from COVID-19. This is the hard data available. There has been no national discussion about the flu but complete panic on the coronavirus.”

John P. A. Ioannidis, a Stanford University Medical School professor of medicine and epidemiology, has reasonably argued that we are making decisions without reasonable data, so it is impossible to make claims about any fatality rate, actual or future. Dr. Ioannidis thinks that when the dust settles and an accurate count is made the true mortality rate for COVID-19 could be five times lower, coming in at 0.025% or maybe 0.625% but certainly not the alarmist WHO figure of 3.4%. “Patients,” he writes, “who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.”

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, another Stanford University professor of medicine, concurs when he says, as quoted in The Wall Street Journal, “An epidemic seed on January 1st implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23 … there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. … that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%.” He laments the fact that there have been no studies done to accurately assess the actual Measured Case Fatality Rate.

Many have pointed to Italy and its death rates from the coronavirus as proof positive for the deadliness of this latest epidemic. But according to Italian officials, 99% of those who died had other illnesses that predisposed them to die. In fact, the average age of those who died is 79.5 years (some say 81-83 years)! Keep in mind that Italy ranks fifth in the World for having the highest median age (the United States ranks 61st).

As if that were not enough to put a nail in the coffin of the mythically high Italian death rate from COVID-19, a report from Italy’s National Institute of Health shows that up to 88% of Italy’s alleged COVID-19 deaths could be misattributed. The Report states, “the way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus … On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.”

Moreover, if you look at the Italian government’s own figures for mortality, you will see a steady rise in deaths there since 2006! Well, we all know that the current “crisis” just started in 2020, so another factor must have been causing the rapid rise in deaths in Italy.

Pre-existing health conditions do matter greatly in assessing cause of death. Only three victims at that time did not have any other conditions. Health writer and researcher Bill Sardi has studied this latest virus extensively and thinks that deaths attributed to COVID-19 could more properly be attributed to tuberculosis, which kills 1.7 million people worldwide every year. Tuberculosis is far more deadly than COVID-19, which could be nothing more than an opportunistic virus riding on the coattails of the TB mycobacterium.

The National Health Federation’s Chairman, David Noakes, agrees, “Today on the 27th of March there are a total of a tiny 759 deaths [in the UK] from COVID-19 – but even this is a lie. These are people who died with COVID-19, but most did not die of it. Almost everyone had other diseases that caused their death.”

German virologist Dr. Hendrik Streeck supports Noakes when he said that COVID-19 is unlikely to increase overall mortality in Germany, which is normally at 2,500 people per day. Streeck cites an example of a 78-year-old man who died of heart failure, but who was subsequently tested positive for the virus and thus included in the COVID-19 death statistics! This example is backed by the Director of the German Public Health Institute (the Robert Koch Institute or RKI), who admitted that all deaths in which a person also tests positive for the coronavirus are counted as COVID-19 deaths, even if those persons actually died from another cause.

Additionally, in the RKI chart below, one can easily see that the number of cases of acute respiratory diseases (“Akute Atemwegserkrankungen”), as of March 20, 2020 (“Kalenderwoche” 12 to 13), have plunged, not increased.



In late March 2020, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, wrote an open letter to the German Chancellor Angela Merkel asking her several questions, challenging the fake news on mortality rates from the coronavirus, and questioning the need for a drastic lockdown of businesses and Germans. The original letter is in German.

Moreover, acknowledging reality, on March 19, 2020, the UK’s Public Health England and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) downgraded COVID-19 from a “High Consequence Infectious Disease” to one with low mortality rate. This is in agreement with NHF Vice Chairman Dr. Bradford Weeks’ assessment that COVID-19 is not any more dangerous than a normal flu.

Then, on March 26th, an article appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, co-authored by the now-celebrity-status Dr. Anthony Fauci, which says in pertinent part: “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively. “

This is all supported by the new mortality figures coming out of China. A new epidemiological study concludes that the fatality of COVID-19, even in the City of Wuhan, was only 0.04% to 0.12% and thus much lower than that of seasonal flu, which has a mortality rate of approximately 0.1%.

Yet, if we were to believe the constant alarms and fear spewed out by the mainstream media, then we would think – as most people have been led to believe – that huge numbers of people all over the World are dying from the COVID-19 disease. That is simply not true, as Dr. John Lee makes clear in his Spectator article. Our controlled media, however, has its marching orders and it is not about to let something like the truth stand in its way. The most recent example of the mass-media’s lies can be found in CBS News’ outright false report that New York City hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases. Not having any such photos to use, CBS News simply aired a Sky News photo of an Italian hospital instead.

The truth is that American hospitals are not overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases. Unfortunately, with the mainstream media flat out lying to us all about how “overflowing” with coronavirus cases these hospitals are, it has taken citizen journalists to ferret out the truth.

To what extent will we put up with the blatant lies coming from the government and the news media? Checking the statistics out of the European Monitoring of Excess Mortality for Public Health Action website (EuroMomo), even the untrained, amateur eye can see that the death rate so far has been lower than in previous years! Are we willing to destroy countries around the World over a bad case of the flu?

No Accurate Test

Besides, the so-called COVID-19 test is faulty with many false positives. False positives for the COVID-19 coronavirus can be up to 50%. Others say up to 75%. This is because the current standard PCR test only looks at an array of antibodies and not for a virus specifically. Many of the antibodies screened for in the positive “check-off” list are common to other influenza virus strains. If enough check-marks appear on the list, then the doctors call it a positive result. So, naturally any antibodies that show up post-immunization from a vaccine made up of inert influenza strains will show a positive result. Recall that Italy had mandatory vaccinations prior to the COVID-19 outbreak. This would definitely skew results, especially the death toll.

Noakes also aptly observed that “There is no agreed test for Covid-19. The usual one is a PCR test for pneumonia. If you have it, they now reclassify it as COVID-19. They may reclassify all of this year’s 17,000 flu deaths as COVID-19 deaths. The science stinks.”

What we are looking at here is a worldwide situation where none of the authorities really have a clue as to what is going on or how to deal with it and yet they are making life-and-death decisions that affect billions, shutting down businesses right and left, throwing people out of work, halting international air travel, and shuttering people in their own homes. It is as if someone gave machine guns to a troop of chimpanzees!

Peter Hitchens, writing for The Daily Mail on March 14, 2020, agreed when he wrote, “Epidemic disasters have been predicted many times before and have not been anything like as bad as feared. The former editor of The Times, Sir Simon Jenkins, recently listed these unfulfilled scares: bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997. In 1999, it was Mad Cow Disease and its human variant, vCJD, which was predicted to kill half a million. Fewer than 200 in fact died from it in the UK. The first SARS outbreak of 2003 was reported as having ‘a 25 per cent chance of killing tens of millions’ and being ‘worse than AIDS.’ In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared ‘the first pandemic of the 21st Century.’ There were similar warnings in 2009, that swine flu could kill 65,000. It did not. The Council of Europe described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as ‘one of the great medical scandals of the century.’”

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We are being taken for fools with this latest exaggeration. Worse than that, we are being completely sold down the river towards slavery with the loss of not only our health freedoms but our political freedoms as well … all based upon a lie.

A Bioweapon Gotten Loose?

Predicted by Dr. Fauci some three years earlier, this “surprise” coronavirus epidemic was perhaps even planned in advance. Consider Event 201, a “pandemic tabletop” event held on October 18, 2019, and sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum, and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The Event unfolded in New York City with a simulated coronavirus epidemic very similar to the current one but with a fictitious one originating on Brazilian pig farms. The Event hosted such notables as Dr. George Gao (Director of the Chinese version of the CDC), Avril Haines (former CIA Deputy Director), Rear Admiral Stephen Redd (CDC), and Adrian Thomas (VP of Johnson & Johnson), among numerous others. It is no bizarre coincidence that government “drills” and other such staged events happen either on the exact same day as the real event or else shortly before. The 9/11 terrorist drills staged the same day as the attack are just one famous example.

The Wuhan research lab is just one of many such laboratories that research and develop deadly bioweapons for war. It has the highest security rating for viral research in China. Some critics have implicated the Wuhan facility in creating the kind of coronavirus bioweapon that is evidenced in COVID-19, while others have denied it.

The 1918 bacterial vaccine experiment at Fort Riley, Kansas (then called Camp Funston) may very well have been the spark that killed 50-100 million people. This pandemic was blamed on the so-called 1918-1919 “Spanish flu”; but in fact between January 21 and June 4, 1918, the U.S. Army permitted the American Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research to inject the Institute’s experimental bacterial meningococcal vaccine into thousands of soldiers stationed at Ft. Riley before they shipped out to France and the trenches there. At the end of the war, soldiers brought back home with them the disease that went on to infect many millions more.

According to a National Institute of Health paper published in 2008, co-authored once again by our very own Dr. Anthony Fauci, bacterial pneumonia was the cause of death in at least 92.7% of the 1918-1919 autopsies reviewed. The researchers reviewed more than 9,000 autopsies, and “there were no negative (bacterial) lung culture results.” In fact, the paper stated that “in the 68 higher-quality autopsy series, in which the possibility of unreported negative cultures could be excluded, 92.7% of autopsy lung cultures were positive for ≥1 bacterium. … in one study of approximately 9000 subjects who were followed from clinical presentation with influenza to resolution or autopsy, researchers obtained, with sterile technique, cultures of either pneumococci or streptococci from 164 of 167 lung tissue samples.” As Kevin Barry, president of First Freedoms, accurately noted, “That is 98.2%. Bacteria was the killer.” And the World suffered 50-100 million completely unnecessary deaths all because of this experimental vaccine.

The 1918 experiment was certainly not the first or the last time that the U.S. government tested biological weapons on an unsuspecting American population. On September 20, 1950, a U.S. Navy ship off the California coast used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into San Francisco’s fog bank. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city. This criminal lack of concern for the health of its own citizens and others has been shown time and again, with, for example, the U.S. Army giving smallpox-contaminated blankets to Native Americans, the unconscionable Tuskegee syphilis experiments on African-American males from 1932-1972, and the Ebola-vaccine experiments on West Africans.

And in the 1970s, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Lab 257 on Plum Island in the Long Island Sound churned out its own death-dealing poisons. Ostensibly there to protect us, Lab 257 was experimenting with anthrax and other deadly spores. As recounted in Michael Carroll’s book Lab 257, what was to later become known as Lyme disease had been spawned in that lab. Carelessly left for birds and other animals to pick at, contaminated refuse was piled outside the building. The town of Lyme, Connecticut, only 17.3 miles distant, easily became ground zero for the nationwide, and then worldwide, spread of one of the most insidious diseases to afflict mankind, to this day.

Nor forget that anthrax, Ebola, smallpox, and other bioweapons were studied and experimented upon in the 1990s at Fort Detrick, Maryland for decades. Anthrax from this lab, some have contended, was used in Iraq and possibly mailed to U.S. congressmen after 9/11. The CDC, however, banned the lab in July 2019 from working any further with anthrax, Ebola, and smallpox until its procedures had improved.

Dr. Gary Kohls, M.D. reasons that the original COVID-19 outbreak was a result of a weaponized virus. He gives the following reasons, among others, for his suspicion: (1) Wuhan, China’s “ground zero” for the virus, was right in the neighborhood of Wuhan’s Level-4 Bioweapons lab; (2) America’s premier Level-4 Bioweapons lab at Fort Detrick suddenly and quietly closed down just before the novel, patented, coronavirus epidemic started; and (3) five U.S. soldier-athletes who were in Wuhan last Fall competing at the 2019 World Military Games were afflicted by the coronavirus. Given those known factors, Dr. Kohls asks, “aren’t there enough suspicions to at least insist that an unbiased, thorough investigation be done by some agency other than the conflicted Pentagon, the conflicted CDC, the conflicted NIH, the conflicted NIAID, or even the conflicted WHO, into these top-secret Bioweapons labs system.”

Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the first multilateral disarmament treaty banning biological warfare and is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois, claims that Chinese scientists may have stolen this virus out of a lab in Winnipeg, where Canada tests many of its biological warfare weapons. He believes the virus then leaked out of a lab in Wuhan (BSL-4). The Wuhan BSL-4 lab is a specially designated WHO research lab and Dr. Boyle claims that the WHO is well aware of what occurred there.

Regardless of whether COVID-19 was artificially created, bioweapons are perilous weapons of mass destruction, difficult to contain, and lethal to the human race. They serve no legitimate purpose. With all of the harm that has been done so far from the Rockefeller vaccine trials in 1918 to the Lyme Disease release in 1975 to the current coronavirus and other deadly virus strains, it is long since time to end all bioweapons research and labs! They are gross violations of the rules of war and certainly should never be imposed on a country’s own society. Fifty to 100 million deaths are enough.

Current Government Actions Backfire, Once Again

The current approach by governments around the World is to lockdown (i.e., quarantine) its citizens, shut down all “non-essential” stores and businesses, limit the size and even the times when citizens and residents can leave their homes, all in a desperate attempt to limit the spread of the virus. These government actions show governments that ironically believe their own fear propaganda at best, while at a cynical worst, these governments are using the COVID-19 “pandemic” to mold the ruling institutions and society into a cold-hearted form that will benefit the Elite at the expense of all of us.

The mass media adds fuel to the fire with its constant harping on how many doctors and nurses are “afraid” to go to work, how a 16-year-old has died from the COVID-19 virus, and with continually holding up atypical Italy as the poster child of what is about to happen in America too.

Lost in the shuffle is the economic disaster of unprecedented scale created by government-imposed lockdowns. As one businessman correctly observed, “[b]y May [2020] the economic damage will be so severe, it will cause more harm to families, abused children, and spouses, those who will die untreated because we only provide care for Covid-19. The number of individuals permanently discharged from jobs (never to return) is staggering and will get worse by the hour.” Supply chains have been disrupted, business contracts arbitrarily breached, rents left unpaid, unemployment lines increased by millions, and 50% of U.S. consumers are maxed out on their credit cards. The economic and personal damage is not only severe but probably irreparable.

People forget that their governments are run by ordinary men and women who genuinely lack the insight (as well as market-feedback mechanisms) on what actions to take that will truly benefit the health of their citizens and who rely for their advice, unfortunately, on the very same medical doctors, institutions, and corporations who have become hugely wealthy off of the diseases and ill-health that are conveniently incurable by their methods of treatment. Often, their patients live on as their disease is “managed” (some would say “milked”) for all of the money that can be had from the disease. The patients are never cured.

Former UK Supreme Court justice Lord Sumption recently hit the nail on the head when he said, “Anyone who has studied history will recognize here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria. Hysteria is infectious. We are working ourselves up into a lather in which we exaggerate the threat and stop asking ourselves whether the cure may be worse than the disease.”

So, with the government-ordered lockdowns, are we any safer from the virus? Perhaps in very small groups, but the CDC recently published a paper questioning lockdowns of larger groups of individuals, such as the already health-compromised homeless in recreation centers, which is what Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti has ordered. The CDC reports that Japanese data showed that coronavirus transmission was 18.7 times more likely indoors than outdoors. And as the public catches on to these lies, the rewriting of history to support lockdowns becomes more egregious.

Many agree that stress-producing lockdown measures will kill more people than the COVID-19 virus itself. Former Israeli Health Minister Professor Yoram Lass clearly states that the new coronavirus is “less dangerous than the flu” and that lockdown measures will “kill more people than the virus.” Pietro Vernazza, a Swiss infectious-disease specialist, agrees, arguing that these lockdown and other measures are not based on science and should be discarded. He recommends protecting the vulnerable population groups (e.g., the elderly and lung-function compromised) while leaving the economy alone so that it can do its job. And Frank Ulrich Montgomery, the president of the World Doctors Federation, calls the lockdown measures in Italy unreasonable and counterproductive.

The more one investigates with an open mind, the less confidence one has in our government officials. Sweden could be an exception with its reliance upon two rules: Groups at risk are protected and those people with flu symptoms stay at home. Swedish health authorities think that it is better to track individual cases within the country than to shut everything down. As they put it, “Despite the popular perception, our best hope against the pandemic is continued trade and cooperation across borders. Travel bans, the government wisely states, are mostly “political placebo.”

Even vaccine advocate Dr. Paul Offit, who is no fan of health freedom, considers the seasonal flu more deadly than the COVID-19 flu, stating “we do not quarantine and we do not cancel meetings for shut down schools, churches, and synagogues from influenza.” Dr. Offit wonders why, then, we are treating one type differently than the other.

But what is rarely spoken about, if ever, is how many people actually die from these extreme social, political, and economic restrictions. How many people have died from high blood pressure-induced strokes, heart attacks, or even suicide caused by the hysterical, fearmongering news media and headline-grabbing politicians trying desperately to show how “noble” their efforts are? I would estimate that a large number of people are dying or else are seriously harmed by the media-fueled hysteria and constant fear campaign. One of the best, first steps that anyone could take to combat the COVID-19 coronavirus would be to toss their television set out the window.



Are Vaccines the Answer?

The mainstream medical community, supported by the news media and government, would have you believe that the “Holy Grail” cure for COVID-19 lies in a magical vaccine. The reality is that any vaccine is a year distant from being put on the market; and any vaccine developed sooner than one year from now will be exceedingly dangerous and unproven. Regardless, in one year, the COVID-19 coronavirus will be history and any efficacious vaccine unnecessary. That does not, however, prevent the mainstream medical community from dangling the promise of a vaccine in front of the population’s eyes. Ignore that empty promise.

Also, ignore their invitations for you to “protect” yourself by getting the current flu shot. It will not protect you. In fact, hard evidence has shown that it will do the exact opposite! A recent study published in Vaccine, a prestigious, peer-reviewed medical journal, demonstrated that the influenza vaccination may increase the risk of infection from coronavirus by a significant 36% and from the human metapneumovirus by 51%.

Really Protect Yourself

None of the above is to say or suggest that you should treat this virus, or whatever is causing the deaths and illnesses, lightly. Avoid direct exposure as much as possible. But we cannot go through life avoiding potential infection – it is not practical as we are witnessing. You can, however, build up and support your immune system with Vitamins A, C, D3, and K2. Take on a regular basis the minerals magnesium (to help activate the Vitamin D3), zinc, and selenium. Eat an anti-inflammatory diet of predominantly whole-plant foods and replenish your gut bacteria with probiotics, sauerkraut, and other such useful foods. Use colloidal silver, lemon juice, elderberry extract, and hydrogen peroxide to kill or neutralize the virus. These are just some of many ways to strengthen your immune system; avoiding fear and stress are perhaps the most important.

If you do test positive for the virus (and who knows if it is a false positive) and happen to be one of the two percent who cannot easily recover from it as if it were the common cold, then consider treatment with intravenous (IV) Vitamin C at high levels. According to Dr. Andrew Saul, the first approved study of IV Vitamin C against COVID-19 began in China and had patients taking 12,000 to 24,000 mg per day of Vitamin C by IV. The supervising doctor, Dr. Cheng, has specifically called for the immediate, therapeutic use of Vitamin C for treating coronavirus (COVID-19) infections. Those patients have all done very well.

A second and third clinical trial of intravenous Vitamin C was announced in China on February 13th and 21st, respectively. In the second study, Dr. Cheng reports that the researchers will give 6,000 mg/day and 12,000 mg/day for moderate and severe cases and that oral Vitamin C might even be included in these studies. Details of the Wuhan Vitamin-C protocol (in English) are posted at: www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml (http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml).

In addition, Vitamin C is now being used to prevent and treat COVID-19 in China and in Korea. The protocol is apparently working.

NHF Advisory Board member Dr. Thomas Levy, MD., J.D. has also written extensively on the use of IV Vitamin C and its general upper-level oral safe use. NHF has published Dr. Levy’s protocol on stopping the virus at the nose and mouth by using tongue scraping, oral washes, and replenishing gut bacteria.

Dr. Alex Vasquez has published extensively on the use of N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC). Particularly compelling are accounts of high-dose NAC given by IV to save pneumonia patients. Daily maintenance dosages are 600 mg. of NAC, according to Dr. Vasquez’ work in Antiviral Nutrition: Acetyl-cysteine / NAC in the treatment and prevention of pneumonia, influenza.

“If,” as the 2008 NIH Fauci paper states, “severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of viral-bacterial copathogenesis, pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone (e.g., influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs).” I completely agree.

Moreover, with the Northern Hemisphere warming up almost day by day, go outside and soak up some Sun. If you are in the right latitude, the Vitamin D you will create in your body from the Sun’s ultraviolet rays will help protect you. And if you are not, then both the ultraviolet light in tanning beds and the heat in Far Infrared saunas can be helpful as well in taming the coronavirus.

Other doctors have shown great success in treating the virus with combinations of hydroxychloroquine sulfate, zinc, and Z-pak (azithromycin, an antibiotic). Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, successfully treated some 700 coronavirus patients with complete success. In using this drug-and-supplement combination, Dr. Zelenko saw the symptoms of shortness of breath resolve in four to six hours, while the entire 5-day course of treatment cost only $20.00. Sardi and others think that zinc is one of the keys to boosting one’s immune system enough to fight off viruses such as the COVID-19 coronavirus.

Finally, don’t forget that iodine kills pathogens upon contact. I myself take 12.5 mg of iodine/iodide each day, far more than the laughable RDA for iodine. Consider asking a nutritionally competent physician if you might need more iodine.

What is the Real Killer Here?

In order to protect ourselves, we need to know what is the real killer here. Is it a virus or is it something else? Bill Sardi, among others, thinks that it could be a mycobacterium. He notes that the incidence of infection from the COVID-19 coronavirus neatly overlaps in most instances the areas where tuberculosis is most prevalent in the population, observing that the highly infected illegal immigrant population pouring into the Southern Border States are a major source for the recurrence of TB in America.

He is not alone in thinking this. In an excellent exposé, Sardi publicized scientific researcher Hiroshi Nishiura 2012 study results showing that there were no flu deaths in controls who did not have the tuberculosis bacterium.

But even with this primary or companion killer bacterium, the deaths from COVID-19, others say, are still at least ten times less than those being reported by government officials and the media. All of this noise makes one wonder if this entire crisis was deliberately staged, or deliberately mishandled.

The Real Goal

I have heard many theories about the cause of the current illness. The recent roll-out of 5G wireless (Wuhan, China and Milan, Italy are both hotspots of 5G transmitters, for example) is reported to play a key role in either weakening our immune-system response to any virus, including the coronavirus, or even actually causing what is known as coronavirus disease. Regardless of its cause, the current medical response is an overreaction beyond all necessity. This “flu” is less deadly than the ordinary flu, so far. Most persons will survive it, easily, if they even catch it. The highly inflammatory, mass hysteria over “COVID-19″ is, I think, simply a cover to change our political institutions and culture, and to further restrict our freedoms. “Never let a crisis go to waste,” is the old psychopathic political saying, and it certainly applies here.

The U.S. economy – and therefore the World economy – is in a perilous position. Last September the bond repurchase (“repo”) market had to be massively bailed out by the U.S. Federal Reserve. In December 2019, Zoltan Pozsar, the Hungarian economist who practically invented the modern repo market, has warned us that the Federal Reserve’s interventions to date have failed to reverse the underlying weak conditions in the banking system. The Fed can only push on a string so much and its ability through money printing and control of interest rates to keep the economy and financial markets from unraveling is increasingly limited. Interest rates are already following those of Europe and elsewhere and plunging into the negative, while the Fed must be extremely careful not to ignite inflation or to cause the dollar to drop in value with its overly zealous minting of money 24/7. I saw this coming, as reflected in my 2020 forecast in the January 2020 issue of Whole Foods Magazine, of which I am the Legal Editor and regular columnist.

With our financial house of cards poised to collapse at any moment, this year’s coronavirus arrived just in the nick of time. Instead of the government, politicians, and the economists of both parties taking the blame for suddenly hard economic times, they all seized upon the “deadly” coronavirus as an excuse to allow the market to crash and to shutter businesses worldwide. After all, no one would question “health safety measures,” would they? The blame could be pinned on the “invisible” virus, blame that continues to this day. As the American and other economies falter from major structural problems, out-of-control debt, reckless spending, and government stupidity in shuttering businesses, the blame for markets crashing and economies tanking is borne by the conveniently available COVID-19 disease.

The real threat to us is not from the “virus” but from the governments and their corporate overlords who will come out on top when the dust from all of this “pandemic” settles. In mid-March 2020, the Danish Parliament passed a draconian law authorizing the government to test (with their inaccurate tests) anyone they want in Denmark in order to determine if they have been infected with the coronavirus and to even forcibly inject such persons with a vaccine (as yet, non-existent), all against their will and their rights. The law is set to expire in March 2021, but it has set a freedom-smashing precedent that the 95 Danish parliamentarians who voted for it should be ashamed of. Even more, they should all be voted out of office.

Similarly, the Quarantine Act in Canada gives the Canadian government the ability to suppress Canadians’ freedoms by shutting businesses down and shutting people inside their homes, all on a bureaucratic whim. Meanwhile, the U.S. Federal Reserve talks about a “planned shutdown of the economy.”

Two coronavirus plans have surfaced for the United States and neither of them bode well for its citizens’ health or liberties. The first one, proposed by Ezekiel Emanuel, a health-policy expert at the University of Pennsylvania, calls for lockdowns to begin easing in June 2020, if certain health milestones are met. The second one, proposed by the former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., is more draconian, calling for a much more cautious and open-ended easing of restrictions with the lifting of those restrictions only when a vaccine and/or medicines are available. Gottlieb doesn’t mind violating the Nuremburg Code against lack of informed consent in medical procedures, as he wants to forcibly vaccinate everyone. He thinks a vaccine would take two years to deploy (2022), while medicines could be available as early as this Summer 2020. Meanwhile, the police state reigns in nearly full force on the fraudulent foundation of false statistics.

Remember, Not Everyone Died on the Titanic

We all should be more frightened by the political response to COVID-19 than the virus itself. As Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics stated so well, “This is an intentional economic destruction that is being carried out for an undisclosed purpose.” Or, perhaps they know something about the virus that they are not telling us? Time will tell.

In the meantime, we all need to strongly oppose the current lockdown and destruction of our livelihoods and our lives. We need to actually laugh at the political and medical buffoons who have over-reacted and, by over-reacting, destroyed millions of lives. The facts show that the virus will, at most, kill fewer of us than those diseases we have seen around us for our entire lives; but if the political plans that are being put in place on the back of this fictitious coronavirus “crisis” are allowed to continue to completion, then all of us will suffer from a far less healthy and more restrictive future.

There is one thing that you can count upon: Just as COVID-19 was preceded by the Zika, Ebola, Swine flu, Bird flu, and other “End of the World” viruses, COVID-19 will itself be followed by yet another, as-yet-unnamed virus. Indeed, are we surprised to hear already, while still well in the trenches of the current lockdown, about the inevitable next pandemic? In an opinion written by two deans at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and published by the establishment magazine Fortune, these two spokeswomen for the Elite state that the global outbreak of COVID-19 is in no way an anomaly and that it is only a matter of time before the next pandemic strikes. Of course.

This next virus will be proclaimed to be even deadlier than COVID-19; and tyrannical measures put in place, all in the name of “public safety,” will exponentially exceed the measures put in place now. So, how we, as freedom-loving people, respond to the current power grab will dictate how many of our freedoms will be left for us and our children in the near future. We all must loudly and persistently say “No.”

Then, name names. Get them out of office and leadership. They must realize that if they persist, this becomes the seedbed of revolutions and just as the resilient, inner power you possess, your time to rise is now not as a victim but a victor. NHF was born for this day. And so are you.

Right now, go to www.thenhf.com/Rally Congress (https://national-health-federation.rallycongress.net/ctas/coronavirus-hysteria-is-deadly-final) to direct your public servants to obey the Constitution and to sign the Pledge against mandatory chipping and vaccinations.

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Mortality Rate?

In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.

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Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.


The guy has an "Adams Family" touch - so yes, from the outside he is not extremely likeable BUT what he says is mostly sound.

what you forget and what is rarely if ever discussed is: how many death by suicide/depression and general suffering will this shutdown cause in the end.

he is a very practical guy and I think his approach is the only one working in the grand scheme of things. If Chloroquine was distributed to everyone freely this "pandemic" would likely result in VERY FEW deaths, way fewer than the flu.

There are different kinds of compassion, one based is new-age feel good and one based in wisdom. I suspect his compassion is the latter. I also guess he would have chosen a different occupation being without any compassion, e.g. join the heroic military LOL.

Again someone who is using new age as some sort of bad thing. New age is a whole wide variety of knowledge. There are alot of mystery schools included in New Age from which Rudolph Steiners teachings is one. To discard all of New Age as some sort of bad thing seems very weird to me.

[greybeard]

Right now, go to www.thenhf.com/Rally Congress (https://national-health-federation.rallycongress.net/ctas/coronavirus-hysteria-is-deadly-final) to direct your public servants to obey the Constitution and to sign the Pledge against mandatory chipping and vaccinations.

Link not working -- getting error 404
Chris






From Bill: fixed the broken link. It's
https://national-health-federation.rallycongress.net/ctas/coronavirus-hysteria-is-deadly-final


Thanks Bill


NO MANDATORY CHIPPING AND NO MANDATORY VACCINES!

As bad as the COVID-19 disease is, we all should be more frightened by the political response to COVID-19 than the virus itself. As Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics stated so well, “This is an intentional economic destruction that is being carried out for an undisclosed purpose.” Or, perhaps they know something about the virus that they are not telling us?

In the meantime, we all need to strongly oppose the current lockdown and destruction of our livelihoods and our lives. We need to actually laugh at the political and medical buffoons who have over-reacted and, by over-reacting, destroyed millions of lives and livelihood.

The facts show that the virus will, at most, kill fewer of us than those diseases we have seen around us for our entire lives; but if the political plans that are being put in place on the back of this fictitious coronavirus “crisis” are allowed to continue to completion, then all of us will suffer from a far less healthy and more restrictive future.

There is one thing that you can count upon: Just as COVID-19 was preceded by the Zika, Ebola, Swine flu, Bird flu, and other “End of the World” viruses, COVID-19 will itself be followed by yet another, as-yet-unnamed virus. Indeed, are we surprised to hear already, while still well in the trenches of the current lockdown, about the inevitable next pandemic? In an opinion written by two deans at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and published by the establishment magazine Fortune, these two spokeswomen for the Elite state that the global outbreak of COVID-19 is in no way an anomaly and that it is only a matter of time before the next pandemic strikes. Of course.

This next virus will be proclaimed to be even deadlier than COVID-19; and tyrannical measures put in place, all in the name of “public safety,” will exponentially exceed the measures put in place now. No doubt a mandatory vaccination will be demanded of all citizens and residents, plus mandatory chipping of people so as to serve as proof of having been vaccinated. These are Bill Gates’ plans for our future.

So, how we, as freedom-loving people, respond to the current power grab will dictate how many of our freedoms will be left for us and our children in the near future. We all must loudly and persistently say “No.”

Tell the politicians and our public servants right now to “Don’t Even Think About It!” No mandatory chipping and no mandatory vaccines. Write them today and Make them sign the Pledge!

Also, to access and print out the Pledge and the "Don't Even Think About It!" flyer, click here and here.

SEEMS It only possible to us USA postcode.
UK and other Countries could do with similar
Chris

[silvanelf]

On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.

Either you or Dr. Thomas Cowan in his interview (https://vermontindependent.net/covid-19-and-5g-connex-beings-of-frequency/) are confusing an (alleged) quote from Steiner ("a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell") with another quote from Arthur Firstenberg (https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/) -- emphasis mine:


we fast forward to 1918 when the United States entered World War One, and Marconi had sold the world that you could make use of radio waves, and demonstrated one of the first transmissions of 20 years before but when the United States entered World War One, we made intensive use of radio technology for the first time as part of our war effort. And after World War One is when the development of commercial radio began. I make the case in the book that the Spanish influenza epidemic was caused by the sudden change in the Earth’s electromagnetic environment by the worldwide use of radios.

https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/

[AutumnW]

Dr. Vuong explains the death rate of covid-19. He slays the myth that the fatality rate is the same as flu. BTW, we don't have more immediate deaths because most countries are acting to flatten the curve. In other words, lockdowns and masks may not alter the death rate but it will spread hospitalizations and fatalities over a longer timeline so hospitals can keep up.
It is beyond nerve wracking that Bill Ryan has to explain this over and over and over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJzPZCEW4I

[Dorjezigzag]

There are significant numbers of people who have died but whose death hasn’t been attributed to the coronavirus because they died at home or in a nursing home and so they weren’t swabbed,” said Giorgio Gori, mayor of the town of Bergamo.

Gori said there had been 164 deaths in his town in the first two weeks of March this year, of which 31 were attributed to the coronavirus. That compares with 56 deaths over the same period last year.

Even adding the 31 coronavirus deaths to that total would leave 77 additional deaths, an increase that suggests the virus may have caused significantly more deaths than officially recorded.

Emilio Tanzi, director of Cremona Solidale, a 460-bed residence in the northern town of Cremona, said nursing homes were on the front lines of a crisis that predominantly affected the elderly, who nevertheless have not had adequate support.

He said there had been a significant and “anomalous” increase in deaths since about March 2, when the spread of the epidemic began to gather pace in Italy.

But there was no way of knowing for sure whether they were due to COVID-19, the disease associated with the coronavirus, he added.

Tanzi declined to give full numbers, but said on just one day last week there had been 18 deaths at his facility of patients with respiratory difficulties - symptoms associated with the coronavirus.

“We don’t know if there have been coronavirus deaths because the swabs haven’t been done,” he said. “We’ve certainly seen high fevers and breathing difficulties.”

“If we’d been in a position to know, we could have isolated these patients properly and avoided the epidemic.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-homes-insigh/uncounted-among-coronavirus-victims-deaths-sweep-through-italys-nursing-homes-idUSKBN2152V0

[DaveToo]

Sorry to have to break the news to you folks but...

The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Along with the reports of Italy's Covid-19 deaths and Spain's, and France's and Germany's and UK's etc...

The number of cases and deaths are embarrassingly low.
Actually they are pathetically low!

Right smack dab in the middle of the numbers we get for the yearly seasonal flu. No more, no less.

Are you trying to tell me that this deadly, killer virus that was supposed to take out much of the world's population is no more deadly than the seasonal flu?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you.

Check out the Covid-19 charts for these bellwether countries. (click on image to enlarge)
How are your analytical skills?
Do you see a pattern? Do you see a trend?

https://i.postimg.cc/gw5RWL83/Italy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gw5RWL83)http://
https://i.postimg.cc/jC1C8nyb/Spain.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jC1C8nyb)http://
https://i.postimg.cc/87j7wPf3/Germany.jpg (https://postimg.cc/87j7wPf3)
https://i.postimg.cc/hfbGrQGp/Iran.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hfbGrQGp)
https://i.postimg.cc/hzY02PSt/Norway.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hzY02PSt)
https://i.postimg.cc/grnfKxY8/Pakistan.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grnfKxY8)
https://i.postimg.cc/q6fK5159/Ecuador.jpg (https://postimg.cc/q6fK5159)


Do you see astronomical numbers?

Do you see numbers that would justify the take-down of the world's economies?

Do you see numbers that would justify the MSM plastering wall-to-wall 24/7 Covid-19 news coverage on their media?

Do you see numbers that would justify the fear-mongering that has been going on the past couple of months?

Do you see numbers that would justify the Draconian measures that have been used to take away the rights of half the world's population?

Go To Jail, Go directly to Jail. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200

[greybeard]

Thanks to Herve and Billy.
I have highlighted part -- accepting that this article was written some time ago
Chris
Mortality Rate?

In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.

Truth is we dont know what the current death rate is. nor what the rate will be when a full check can be done perhaps a year from now.
Its in the interest of the PTB to inflate the figures to generate fear - so I would be inclined to believe it is less than currently hyped up to be --also some of the projections are so high -- it just looks like another reason to take away our liberty.
I would remind people that millions died during the wars to enable freedom to be taken almost for granted.
Now what have we got -- emotional blackmail and fear projections --facts --I dont think so.

I would like to believe the death rateis no higher than seasonal flu -- however its not over by a long stretch.

[Ratszinger]

Thanks to Herve and Billy.
I have highlighted part -- accepting that this article was written some time ago
Chris
Mortality Rate?

In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.

Truth is we dont know what the current death rate is. nor what the rate will be when a full check can be done perhaps a year from now.
Its in the interest of the PTB to inflate the figures to generate fear - so I would be inclined to believe it is less than currently hyped up to be --also some of the projections are so high -- it just looks like another reason to take away our liberty.
I would remind people that millions died during the wars to enable freedom to be taken almost for granted.
Now what have we got -- emotional blackmail and fear projections --facts --I dont think so.

I would like to believe the death rateis no higher than seasonal flu -- however its not over by a long stretch.

The seasonal flu has already killed upwards of 130,000 people world wide while COVID19 is hovering at 87,000 plus. The democrats have to push this to the election time to get the rule changes to the voting so they can more easily cheat! Therefore they will continue to lie about the death rate and about actual cases by simply saying all deaths are COVID19. With the control they have of the media they expect this to be a cake walk.

[Bill Ryan]

https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121

1247680994821509121

[DaveToo]

Sorry to have to break the news to you folks but...

The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Along with the reports of Italy's Covid-19 deaths and Spain's, and France's and Germany's and UK's etc...

The number of cases and deaths are embarrassingly low.
Actually they are pathetically low!

Right smack dab in the middle of the numbers we get for the yearly seasonal flu. No more, no less.

Are you trying to tell me that this deadly, killer virus that was supposed to take out much of the world's population is no more deadly than the seasonal flu?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you.

Check out the Covid-19 charts for these bellweather countries. (click on image to enlarge)
How are your analytical skills?
Do you see a pattern? Do you see a trend?

https://i.postimg.cc/gw5RWL83/Italy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gw5RWL83)http://
https://i.postimg.cc/jC1C8nyb/Spain.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jC1C8nyb)http://
https://i.postimg.cc/87j7wPf3/Germany.jpg (https://postimg.cc/87j7wPf3)
https://i.postimg.cc/hfbGrQGp/Iran.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hfbGrQGp)
https://i.postimg.cc/hzY02PSt/Norway.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hzY02PSt)
https://i.postimg.cc/grnfKxY8/Pakistan.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grnfKxY8)
https://i.postimg.cc/q6fK5159/Ecuador.jpg (https://postimg.cc/q6fK5159)





Bill I don't see why you found it justifiable to move the above post that I had made to the Covid-19 News section, to this section?
I have posted News.

It may not be the kind of News that you like to see or hear, but it is still news.

I have done a lot of work today to create all of the above charts, which are based on NEW numbers that have just come out from the Data from European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC). So , yes this IS NEWS!

Most of the public and members here are not given the opportunity to see charts such as the ones I posted above.
The MSM certainly does not publish them.

I am not making up these numbers. These are new, fresh data coming from the following countries:

Italy
Spain
Germany
Iran
Norway
Pakistan
Ecuador


They warrant to be posted in the Covid-19 News section, not here.




Mod note from Bill: No, this isn't "Global Reports, News and Updates". If it was, everything would be "Global Reports, News and Updates". :)

That's how come the original main news thread got into such a disorganized mess. As "librarians", we have to keep these discussions separated out, or else no-one will ever be able to find anything they're interested in. That's our prime purpose here in having different threads. Exactly like having different library shelves, or different folders on your computer.

It's possible it might better be in the Cui Bono? thread, and if so I can move it there — or you're welcome to copy it there yourself.

[DaveToo]

"Mod note from Bill: No, this isn't "Global Reports, News and Updates". If it was, everything would be "Global Reports, News and Updates".

That's how come the original main news thread got into such a disorganized mess. As "librarians", we have to keep these discussions separated out, or else no-one will ever be able to find anything they're interested in. That's our prime purpose here in having different threads. Exactly like having different library shelves, or different folders on your computer.

It's possible it might better be in the Cui Bono? thread, and if so I can move it there — or you're welcome to copy it there yourself."

Well I disagree.

I did not post an opinion piece. I did not post who benefits from this.
I did not say Don't Trust the Statistics, and so it should not be posted in the "Don't Trust the Statistics" section.

The nuts and bolts of my post consists of 7 graphs.
They contain fresh data that was just released.

I am using the statistics that the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has published.

In this case, I am actually saying YES, trust this data, trust these statistics!

Because the data paints a completely different picture than what the MSM is currently saying.

This is the reason I made my post in the News section. Because it is news.

I do feel that this data SHOULD BE TRUSTED.
Why would I post this in the Don't Trust the Statistics section?

[TomKat]

https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121

1247680994821509121

Yesterday I was wearing a mask. Today, no longer. I don't believe in the fiat science that creates bureaucratic "truths" like global warming, HIV causes AIDS or Covid-19. Dr. Fauci is an old hand at this. People may or may not have died in Wuhan, but it wasn't a flu that killed them. There is a nasty flu going around, but it's just the seasonal flu. Since before Covid supposedly hit North America, I've been successfully fighting a flu. I'll get a symptom, take oregano oil, and it's gone for a week or two, until the next time, over and over. If I didn't take oregano oil and came down with the flu, they would say I had covid-19. Whenever anyone dies, it is said they died of covid-19. I'm done with the mainstream media coverage of covid. I'm more interested in what they're doing while the population is in fear and under house arrest. But I'm not likely to ever find that out from mainstream sources. Maybe on Avalon...

[Elainie]

Local Charlotte's Webb fame CBD oil dies, tested negative for COVID yet they are labeling her death as COVID.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/charlotte-figi-girl-spurred-cannabis-184800396.html

[Elainie]

https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121

1247680994821509121

Yesterday I was wearing a mask. Today, no longer. I don't believe in the fiat science that creates bureaucratic "truths" like global warming, HIV causes AIDS or Covid-19. Dr. Fauci is an old hand at this. People may or may not have died in Wuhan, but it wasn't a flu that killed them. There is a nasty flu going around, but it's just the seasonal flu. Since before Covid supposedly hit North America, I've been successfully fighting a flu. I'll get a symptom, take oregano oil, and it's gone for a week or two, until the next time, over and over. If I didn't take oregano oil and came down with the flu, they would say I had covid-19. Whenever anyone dies, it is said they died of covid-19. I'm done with the mainstream media coverage of covid. I'm more interested in what they're doing while the population is in fear and under house arrest. But I'm not likely to ever find that out from mainstream sources. Maybe on Avalon...


There is something for sure weird going on, see my new post on this thread. Death counts and causes are being skewed, many people are not trusting the media or COVID data.

Edited to add, just yesterday we heard from a friend that had gone to Italy and Israel in November, got it and was quarantined, he is overweight and pulled through luckily, a functional wellness MD here has been testing people for antobodies (we go on Tuesday) and people who were sick here in Colorado in November are testing positive for antibodies, the office explained this is not a made in China test and very accurate, I believe there is a COVID but there are many agenda's playing out at once and COVID has been circulating in the USA for longer than we have been told.

[TomKat]

I believe there is a COVID but there are many agenda's playing out at once and COVID has been circulating in the USA for longer than we have been told.

If so, then I had it last winter, Jan of 2019. It went to severe bronchitis and almost went to pneumonia --- took months to be completely rid of it.

A tip for anyone trying to sleep when their lungs are wheezing -- ear buds and a rain storm mp3.

[spade]

I’m beginning to see a strong correlation between those who took a long time feeling mild symptoms for roughly like 1-2 weeks, then heading to a clinic or hospital, taking the test, and then collapsing into complete ICU status after taking the test. I also read of contaminated test kits preloaded with the virus on them. Do you see the correlation here? Might be better to avoid the swab test, especially if the kit originated from China - because you know, there’s a cold war going on....

[waves]

I’m beginning to see a strong correlation between those who took a long time feeling mild symptoms for roughly like 1-2 weeks, then heading to a clinic or hospital, taking the test, and then collapsing into complete ICU status after taking the test. I also read of contaminated test kits preloaded with the virus on them. Do you see the correlation here? Might be better to avoid the swab test, especially if the kit originated from China - because you know, there’s a cold war going on....

GOOD THINKING!! Both your conjectures absolutely make sense. Of course there's more to the (already proven not possibly yet valid) test than what it's being sold as for, I only got as far as suspecting it being a DNA gathering ruse.

Much appreciation for contributing that.


https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

[greybeard]

Scottish test numbers: 9 April 2020

A total of 27,518 people in Scotland have been tested. Of these:

22,561 tests were confirmed negative
4,957 tests were positive
447 patients who tested positive have died

Now that does not give much value to the idea that this virus is highly contagious.
Of course the Government will claim that social distancing is working -- well if you are being tested there cant be social distance between you and the tester who has tested many -- some of who will have the virus.
Testing would seem a way of spreading the virus through close contact -- no matter how well the tester is kept safe
Chris

[TomKat]

Dr. Fauci has done what he did with HIV=AIDS. He has taken correlation=causation to its highest level. It's the same as they did with humans=global warming. Correlation=causation: done with media in lockstep, testimony from govt-funded "experts." They say covid will be a permanent thing. The body always responds the same way to all corona virus infections, so nobody can say otherwise. So they've hijacked the seasonal flu. Any time someone dies, they say it was covid. Martial law, whenever they feel like it. And the DO feel like it!

[Patient]

Watching the Canadian news this morning - the health organization is talking as if this will continue through to the summer of 2021. They said that Canada is only at the early stage still - horse crap.

It appears that they are grouping all flu/cold viruses into the covid-19 lump.

...and social distancing is now 2 metres?

I am a very patient person, but the bull**** is getting on my nerves. More stores closing and reading that tech and hardware are being moved into the non-essential items?

Seeing more restrictions being imposed every time I have gone to the grocery store - I expect that it won't be long before you are escorted through the store and your time in there is strictly limited.

[shadowstalker]

From NEW YOUR POST
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

yup numbers are being fudged

[Gracy]

From NEW YOUR POST
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

yup numbers are being fudged

While I’m seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think there’s a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

Isn’t it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? I’m pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.

[Bill Ryan]

From NEW YOUR POST
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

yup numbers are being fudged

While I’m seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think there’s a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

Isn’t it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? I’m pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end — at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer — who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) — would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.

[Ratszinger]

From NEW YOUR POST
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

yup numbers are being fudged

While I’m seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think there’s a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

Isn’t it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? I’m pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end — at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer — who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) — would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.

I agree and we can't forget that their weakened systems perhaps brought this virus on more readily. Here we have the catch 22 though as it's hard to say here if the virus killed them or the weakened state due to their current health status killed them. It really is a judgement call for the doctor.

[Gracy]

I’ve yet to see Covid related deaths in the US being defined as anything but being related to a preexisting underlying health condition.

Now where I have seen the traffic accident scenario used, and used quite often, is in deaths attributed to any given hurricane. Such as, man falls off ladder and is killed while boarding up his second story windows with plywood.

Even here though, falling off the ladder can arguably be categorized into the overall storm death tally, as the man likely would never had been boarding up his windows had it not been for the hurricane in the first place.

[Mypos]

From NEW YOUR POST
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

yup numbers are being fudged

While I’m seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think there’s a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

Isn’t it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? I’m pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end — at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer — who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) — would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.

I agree and we can't forget that their weakened systems perhaps brought this virus on more readily. Here we have the catch 22 though as it's hard to say here if the virus killed them or the weakened state due to their current health status killed them. It really is a judgement call for the doctor.

According to the article, it is not a judgement call of the doctor, that judgement call is apparently being taken away? So to use Bill’s example, if someone tests positive for Covid, then dies in an automobile accident on the way to the hospital, then that could be counted as a Covid death. I don’t know if that kind of insanity will actually take place, but that is what she said in the video.


The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR1G40Y3VXc-SWteUkf50s-8xwzGx9h9LkIi5N0OZQy-0c45os-UIrMCtTU

Right and according to David Icke the test for Covid 19 shows everybody with any kind of illness (or for instance cell poisoning trough elektromagnetic radiation) as positive for Covid 19. I allready got this meme with a pic of Ron Burgundy that said: It is now being reported that everybody who ever died, probably died of Covid 19. :)

[Mypos]

On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.

Either you or Dr. Thomas Cowan in his interview (https://vermontindependent.net/covid-19-and-5g-connex-beings-of-frequency/) are confusing an (alleged) quote from Steiner ("a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell") with another quote from Arthur Firstenberg (https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/) -- emphasis mine:


we fast forward to 1918 when the United States entered World War One, and Marconi had sold the world that you could make use of radio waves, and demonstrated one of the first transmissions of 20 years before but when the United States entered World War One, we made intensive use of radio technology for the first time as part of our war effort. And after World War One is when the development of commercial radio began. I make the case in the book that the Spanish influenza epidemic was caused by the sudden change in the Earth’s electromagnetic environment by the worldwide use of radios.

https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/

That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You have a very weird way of discussing....

[greybeard]

I read a "joke" Surgeon said the only way we can cure your chickenpox is to cut off your left leg. Surgery carried out.
A few weeks later the chicken pox has gone. Surgeon said Told you I could cure it.
Bit like lock down creating economic meltdown.
The statistics in the UK so far do not warrant this "cure"

Chris

[silvanelf]

That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You are a very weird way of discussing....

You are grasping at straws. You should try to find an original quote from Steiner to support your claim, instead of relying on secondary sources like Dr. Thomas Cowan. Hint: you won't find anything in this regard.

[onawah]

ΝYC-ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients-like High Altitude Sickness
4/4/20
Dana Ashlie
217K subscribers
"My commentary at the end.
Here is my video that was REMOVED from YT:
https://www.brighteon.com/42d3cd7d-ac25-443e-b071-742f04c7b72c
Keep a link to my brighteon channel in case I'm taken down...
Here is a link to this doctors youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYT...
1EWQPgF6-UQ"

Del Bigtree is featuring the doctor on his Facebook page video today as well.
https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTalk/videos/919175125211362/?hc_location=ufi
919175125211362/

[Mypos]

That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You are a very weird way of discussing....

You are grasping at straws. You should try to find an original quote from Steiner to support your claim, instead of relying on secondary sources like Dr. Thomas Cowan. Hint: you won't find anything in this regard.

The whole grasping at straws line you make here shows you are discussing to win an argument. Im not here to win arguments. Im here to seek the truth. The earlier statement you made in which you also said Steiner didnt make this statement which you backup with other statements from Steiner actually made the point stronger that Steiner actually did say the statement Cowan made. Because they were all along the same line.

That its hard to find a statement said in the early 1900s on google doesnt mean that its false...

[onawah]

Comment from Alana Jacobs on Restore Liability For The Vaccine Makers' FB page:

https://facebook.com/groups/restoreliability/permalink/1130094814010815

"My concern with this is that IF (this is only a speculation) IF this that we are seeing could possibly be chemicals that are coming with the rain due to cloud seeding. My reason for questioning is because I did do a bit of research on cloud seeding & I have found that the chemicals commonly used in cloud seeding are liquid propane, silver iodide, potassium iodide, and carbon dioxide (aka dry ice). The effects that these chemicals have on the human body are very similar & they all involve often severe respiratory distress because they displace oxygen!"
https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/92763400_1014787992255585_2090927565890912256_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=eeF6KNl_kggAX81gSOd&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=e98b17616364f2f7aae84696f47ea953&oe=5EB607A9
https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/92763400_1014787992255585_2090927565890912256_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=eeF6KNl_kggAX81gSOd&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=e98b17616364f2f7aae84696f47ea953&oe=5EB607A9
https://www.facebook.com/groups/restoreliability/permalink/1130094814010815/

1130094814010815

[Tintin]

[ARTICLE] Facts about Covid-19

Jon Rappoport cites a Swiss Propaganda Research article, updated from its original publication, dated April 7th in a recent blog post (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/09/covid-italy-update-dispelling-the-pandemic-illusion/)

There's a pretty good summary of a lot of data here dating back to mid-March. Disappointingly whilst creating the PDF (now in the library (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Facts_about_Covid-19_%20Swiss_Propaganda_Research_Updated_April_7th_2020.pdf) here) the many links to source articles haven't been mirrored; these can be found by sourcing the article from the SPR site here (https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/).

This is 34 pages long though, and hopefully will embed successfully:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_(Wuhan_2019-nCov)/Facts_about_Covid-19_%20Swiss_Propaganda_Research_Updated_April_7th_2020.pdf

[ExomatrixTV]

Medical Doctor Blows C-Vi-Rus Scamdemic Wide Open - Andrew Kaufman M.D.
IIDths-UdDA
WTF!?!! CDC Posted THIS 2 Months BEFORE CV Was Announced!!!
xCz6S91CU1c

[Intranuclear]

Thanks for this video. It is amazingly informative and from my point of view, a must watch. I learned so much, such as about exosomes and even the 1918 flu pandemic. I had never heard of those 3 experiments proving that transmission was not occurring 100% of the time even when a healthy person was intentionally caused to inhale material from a person suffering from the disease. Crazy stuff. I really wish more people watch this as it is an eye opener.
Thank you.

[Mark Tuahmen]

Very interesting, some good comments. What is truth?

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwAR3-qzMbodDNjsKDbR1QEdAtCm09JXcW2o5H-NcE0zrTbLU2cIplv2GvT04

[Philippe]

Mike Adams tackles David Icke for denying Covid-19 SEE PREVIOUS POSTS

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-...irus-hoax.html

What on earth are we talking about?
WHAT TESTS ARE USED AND WHICH ARE FAULTY AND WHICH CAN BE TRUSTED?

- A faulty test exists that identifies an exosome and calls it erroneously the virus
- A highly contagious virus exists and I suppose can be identified correctly
- Tests with a throat swap are done and there is suspicion that these kits come from China and can be contagious
- Etcetera...

The confusion is complete and reputations of well meaning opinion leaders are getting hits for lack of information and false data.

Adams utterly takes down Icke in this article. But because he does not indicate the huge manipulations against liberty in this health crisis, he is also responsible for incomplete information.
EDIT: Meanwhile Adams has caught up with a new article =>
We must all demand a sensible end to the coronavirus lockdowns, or we will lose our liberties forever
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-10-we-must-all-demand-a-sensible-end-to-the-coronavirus-lockdowns-or-we-will-lose-our-liberties-forever.html

[TomKat]

I have a tendency to get the flu just hearing about it going around. Twice I've gotten the flu from an entity I psychically perceived. Germ theory needs a lot of work.

[Goba]

I’m beginning to see a strong correlation between those who took a long time feeling mild symptoms for roughly like 1-2 weeks, then heading to a clinic or hospital, taking the test, and then collapsing into complete ICU status after taking the test. I also read of contaminated test kits preloaded with the virus on them. Do you see the correlation here? Might be better to avoid the swab test, especially if the kit originated from China - because you know, there’s a cold war going on....

I doubt the virus would survive shipping from china on cotton wool, not to mention the time it would take to pack it, then ship it to the airport, then distribute it to the hospital until it is actually used.
Nothing is impossible but the viral load would be minuscule and we all have a pretty good immune system, which in this time and age is often forgotten.

[Goba]

Can someone explain to me if viruses are exosomes (which do exist btw. but are not viruses) how come we use VIRUSES since over 25 years as VECTORS to infect somatic cells with changed DNA in genome-therapy?

Without viruses there would be no genome therapy. simple as that.

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZ-DW5LVCs&fbclid=IwAR3NPAUkIoHIGjZgraCC5gU55FO1KwdeYkuwUDWCk di-j8wMBMUR472_ngI

[Gemma13]

Watching the Canadian news this morning - the health organization is talking as if this will continue through to the summer of 2021. They said that Canada is only at the early stage still - horse crap.

It appears that they are grouping all flu/cold viruses into the covid-19 lump.



BILL GATES READY TO WASTE BILLIONS ON CORONA VIRUS VACCINE

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/bill-gates-ready-to-waste-billions-on-coronavirus-vaccine/news-story/bbc4ffb8ccb57d328dcaf334c89f5591

Yep and Bill Gates and his cronies, (who are now having daily wet dreams), will come in with their perfect solution: keep everyone in lockdown until they provide the perfect MULTI-flu immunisation that everyone will be forced to have before people can go back to social normalities and travel.

My bet is they've already created one and are just waiting on the shortest most appropriate time to release it, be saviours of the world, and implement total control over genocide by ensuring certain demographics get the immunisation laced with infertility.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1349706&viewfull=1#post1349706

EXTRACT:

In 2010, Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines.

A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines "could reduce population".

In 2014, Kenya's Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phony "tetanus" vaccine campaign.

Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested.

After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.

[TargeT]

Dont trust any of it...

This video nails it IMO... just a control move
HB00mLArYBQ

This maybe the wrong thread... so many CORVID-19 threads... haha

[norman]

That's the second Corbett video I've seen in 24 hours that is diving him way down my respectability ratings.

In this one, he pulls out 2 or 3 strawman points from somwhere, then proceeds to worship at the alter of the ever powerful god of globalism.

It takes a hell of a lot to disgust me, but he's getting there fast.

[TargeT]

then proceeds to worship at the alter of the ever powerful god of globalism.


it does? I got the exact opposite of it,, it was exposing that globalism is trying to leverage this pandemic and has benefited from (my summary).

[waves]

then proceeds to worship at the alter of the ever powerful god of globalism.


it does? I got the exact opposite of it,, it was exposing that globalism is trying to leverage this pandemic and has benefited from (my summary).

You could almost say I agree with both of you - lots of truth, but for the wrong reasons. I watched Corbett years ago and stopped for this suspicion besides his having the wrong genetic allegiances, right?

Hopefully we can agree that a required truth movement infiltration tactic is the planting of double agents and there have been many for 20+ years now. Of course there are now names we all know that have risen to the top and been stable.

Who might they be?

Their job is to appear to be 100% on the exposer side, calling out perps and criminality with real facts and telling lots of truth....but actually too much.

Their real function is to accomplish both keeping hitting truthers with an underlying relentless psychological pounding of how powerless you truthers are against big bad enemy, but also to inform truthers of topics to rally against which they then repeat. The truther is duped into thinking he has earned another badge of honor in their rebel community for discovering and sharing revealing truths, but what he's really doing is helping the enemy give mental energy to the coming impositions by repeating/embedding the concepts the enemy wants to condition minds to.

I think this is what Corbett's function has been all along and your two reactions is a prime example of it's twisted nature. One of you said hey, he's calling out the agenda, the other said hey, despite his words he's helping them.

[norman]

I think this is what Corbett's function has been all along and your two reactions is a prime example of it's twisted nature. One of you said hey, he's calling out the agenda, the other said hey, despite his words he's helping them.



And he's physically squirming with pleasure telling us how screwed we all are ( in a complete avoidance of the case that we are not all screwed ). I could have put up with that as a quirk of his style but combined with an obviously 'politically' malicious selection of strawman cases to launch it with, naa, there's something badly wrong with Corbett's energy.

[onawah]

COVID: two vital experiments that have never been done
Why not? Because they would expose this vicious farce, the criminals perpetuating it, and end the lockdowns.
by Jon Rappoport
April 10, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/10/covid-two-vital-experiments-that-have-never-been-done/

"The first experiment would confirm or deny the accuracy of the PCR diagnostic test. The experiment would reveal whether this widespread test for COVID-19 can actually predict illness in the real world, in humans, not in the lab.

This experiment has never been done. It should have been done before the PCR was ever permitted to make claims about THE QUANTIY OF VIRUS that is replicating in a patient’s body.

Quantity is vital, because, in order to even begin talking about whether a virus can cause disease, millions and millions of virus must be actively replicating in a patient’s body.

Here is the experiment. Assemble a group of 500 volunteers, some sick, some healthy. Take tissue samples from them, and give the samples to PCR technicians. The technicians will never see or know who the 500 volunteers are.

The techs run these samples through the PCR. For each sample, they report which virus they found, and how much of it they found.

“In patients 34, 57, 83, 165, and 433, we found a great deal of the following disease-causing viruses.”

Now we un-blind those specific patients. By the test results, they should all be sick. Are they? Aren’t they? Then we would know. We would know how accurate and relevant the test is in the real world.

Of course, this is not the end of the experiment. The same samples should have been given to a whole other set of PCR techs to run. Did they come up with the same results the first set of PR techs did?

Several new groups of 500 patients each should be enlisted, and still more sets of lab techs should repeat the experiment, ending up with confirmation or rejection of the initial findings. This is the way the scientific method is supposed to work.

In the absence of this experiment, the quantitative PCR must be looked at as a rogue hypothesis that should never have been foisted on the public. It should never be used as the basis for determining case numbers of any disease.

In the “COVID-19 crisis,” all case numbers derived from the PCR should be thrown out.

The second vital experiment concerns the discovery of a new virus—in this case, COVID-19.

First of all, there is no lab procedure that can climb inside the human body in real time and record the active replication of millions of virus. The closest you can come involves the use of electron microscopy.

Suspecting the existence of a new disease-causing virus, researchers should line up, at the very least, several hundred people who seem to have the new disease. Tissue samples should be taken from them. Using correct steps of centrifuging these samples, specimens of the results should be examined and photographed under the electron microscope.

In every one of the several hundred photos, do the researchers see many identical particles of a virus they’ve never seen before; and do the researchers see that these many particles are the same from photo to photo?

If so, and if more than one group of researchers independently carrying out this procedure on the patients’ tissue samples achieves the same result…then, this is as close as you can come to saying you’ve discovered a new disease-causing virus.

Other researchers with other patients should attempt to replicate the above findings.

This vital experiment has never been done in the case of COVID-19. Not even close. Therefore, researchers can’t make a true claim to have discovered a new disease-causing virus.

In the absence of the two vital experiments I’ve described in this article, all you’re left with, concerning a single “COVID-19” pandemic and a single new cause, are: anecdote, rumor, gossip, conjecture, speculation, bad science, and lies.

Plus the horrendous damage from all the consequences of lockdowns based on those lies.

TURN ON THE ECONOMY."

[gnostic9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB00mLArYBQ




James Corbett once again explains how via sars-cove 19, new world order will be established through the chinese model. Hold onto your seats folks!


Love peace and joy to all!

[gnostic9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wn1qs_bBk




Love peace and joy to all!

[T Smith]

I’ve yet to see Covid related deaths in the US being defined as anything but being related to a preexisting underlying health condition.

Now where I have seen the traffic accident scenario used, and used quite often, is in deaths attributed to any given hurricane. Such as, man falls off ladder and is killed while boarding up his second story windows with plywood.

Even here though, falling off the ladder can arguably be categorized into the overall storm death tally, as the man likely would never had been boarding up his windows had it not been for the hurricane in the first place.

What about the man who lived alone, whose motives are unknown, who is found dead on the ground, next to a ladder, the day following a hurricane?

Here are the facts:

1. We know there was a hurricane
2. We know there is a man dead next to a ladder.
3. We know facts 1 are 2 and concurrent.

The facts suggest, but don't prove, the man's death is directly linked to the hurricane. It appears he was boarding up his windows and fell off the latter (or did he fall off the latter removing the plywood after the storm? Or did he just keel over of a heart attack next to his ladder? Or was he just washing his windows?

The question is, is his death the result of the hurricane? And where do we draw the line?

It seems to me that we can't make that determination for sure without knowing the facts. But we could grossly, albeit plausibly, inflate the number of deaths due to the hurricane given an agenda and any number of scenarios. Taking this further, the whole RT-PCR testing methodology is somewhat analogous to saying anyone with a ladder and plywood in their garage would test positive for boarding up windows during a hurricane, and anyone dying of a head injury consistent with a fall from a ladder, either a day before or a day after a hurricane, must be attributed to the hurricane.

I don't take too much issue with deaths attributed to COVID-19 in cases where the patient with an underlying condition tested positive (let's assume for sake of this example that RT-PCR testing is a fairly accurate indicator of SARS CoV-2 and COVID-19); that is to say we might know for sure the man was boarding up the windows because he telephoned a neighbor in advance to borrow a hammer and informed him exactly when and how and what he was doing). If the man is found dead next to a ladder given these circumstances we might safely infer his death is directly linked to the storm.

What does seem suspect to me, however, is when doctors/hospitals attribute deaths to COVID-19 in cases where they did not establish any conclusive link to COVID-19, e.g., where the patient had not tested positive or negative for SARS CoV-2, but only exhibited symptoms of COVID-19. In these instances, all deaths due to pneumonia, flu, and other respiratory complications are falsely being attributed to COVID-19. Some of these deaths may be because of the virus, some may not.

The only thing we know for sure is, all are attributing to the hysteria.

EDIT: The above example assumes the cause of death for untested patients, but complicates further in the deaths of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 per RT-PCR technology. In the example above we assume a positive test as the causal agent of disease. A positive result, however, does not conclusively prove the presence of SARS CoV-2 or a causal relationship with disease, be it COVID-19 or other. So a significant number of false-positive deaths are also being attributed to COVID-19.

[Gracy]

I don't take too much issue with deaths attributed to COVID-19 in cases where the patient with an underlying condition tested positive (let's assume for sake of this example that RT-PCR testing is a fairly accurate indicator of SARS CoV-2 and COVID-19); that is to say we might know for sure the man was boarding up the windows because he telephoned a neighbor in advance to borrow a hammer and informed him exactly when and how and what he was doing). If the man is found dead next to a ladder given these circumstances we might safely infer his death is directly linked to the storm.

What does seem suspect to me, however, is when doctors/hospitals attribute deaths to COVID-19 in cases where they did not establish any conclusive link to COVID-19, e.g., where the patient had not tested positive or negative for SARS CoV-2, but only exhibited symptoms of COVID-19. In these instances, all deaths due to pneumonia, flu, and other respiratory complications are falsely being attributed to COVID-19. Some of these deaths may be because of the virus, some may not.

Well, I've gone about as far with that as my *extremely* limited knowledge on the subject can take me on that one. Definitely not my wheelhouse :). This kind of reminds me of those devastating wildfires out in California a couple years ago, and all the conjecture and supposed evidence swirling about were they natural, or caused by some kind of energy weapon or whatever else was being argued at the time.

Bottom line for me has to boil down to, I just don't know. At the time I would love to have known someone who is a veteran firefighter to consult on those matters, someone who knows fire the way I know how to make scrambled eggs.

The same holds true now. I would love to know someone who's an experience doctor working at a hospital during this time. "What's going on there in your opinion, is it mostly on the up and up or is something else maybe going on?"

Now back to layman's conjecture. I had a conversation with a good friend back when all this was just ramping up, and my take was that without proper testing, the numbers could easily be inflated in favor of Covid 19. My friend's view went the other way, that many Covid deaths could also be easily lost in the weeds and chalked up to flu, pneumonia, or natural causes.

Without many facts at hand, I reckon one's predisposed point of view factors in a LOT in matters like these.

I also reckon its very possible, more than likely probable, that the criteria for how death certificates are being filled out for this is being handled differently state by state, even county by county.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Well, I've gone about as far with that as my *extremely* limited knowledge on the subject can take me on that one.

Yep, me too. How I tend to lean these days (after years of observing the trend growing) is to believe that most MSM ideas heavily promoted run directly counter to common (and innate) sense.
"The sun is bad for us. Fear the light!"
"High Fructose Corn Syrup is healthy, being made of nice natural corn"
"Viruses are evil. Fear them!"
"Oh no - salt is evil. Cut it totally out!"
"STATISTICS" (in general. so manipulated!)
etc. etc. etc.

I used to love comic books, and especially Bizarro World. Who would have suspected that Bizarro World was predictive programming? LOL
PoGGrGEbjkc

[Luke Holiday]

I have noticed some frustration/confusion regarding the findings of Dr. Kaufman as it relates to exosomes and the germ theory of disease causation. My chosen field of study has forced me to contemplate and come to a position of resolution regarding the terrain vs Germ theory of disease which I would like share on this forum.

I am hoping this thread will provide clarity, discussion, and critique of the ideas presented. The Debate of disease genesis stemming from: either outside the body in the form of a pathogenic germ or does it actually pleomorph into the virus, bacterial and fungi associated with disease inside the body. The aforementioned longstanding debate is foundational in understanding the difference between allopathic and Naturopathic Medicine. The confusion has recently been brought to the alternative media forefront in the repackaged debate of exosome vs COVID 19.

I was forced to look extensively at the science behind both sides and am convinced that this debate is not an either/or situation: rather it is a both/and.

In others words, the harbingers of physical dis-ease, known as virus, bacteria and fungi can be produced inside the body and can enter from outside the body in the form of a contagion.

In the form of contagion from outside the body causing dz: tools like Koch’s postulates have proven this to be true with many pathogens (Ex. Bacterial Meningitis)

In the form of disease harbingers created inside the body, we have the work of Beauchamp, Enderlein, Rife, the science of Dark field Microscopy and more recently Dr. Kaufman, Dr Cuwan, who have brought to light the exosome through electron microcroscopy, and collectively they have also proven this to be true

The aforementioned pioneers and current MD's have proven that the entities labeled as pathogen can be created inside the body when the terrain or internal millieu dictates the need.

The reason the body creates these organisms’s is to remove dross, waste, debris or other pathogens. Common examples of this seen routinely:

1 Step throat, Streptococci bacteria are in the throat all the time, it is merely a matter of degree which causes symptoms. The same with C. difficile overgrowth in the large intestine leading to severe/chronic diarrhea.

Therefore: The main key which determines illness on the physical level is the inner terrain or milieu. If you have an excess of inner toxicity, resonant mental/emotional patterning, and coordinate level of constitutional energy, you have the breeding grounds to either succumb to outside contagion or develop the entities known as Virus, bacteria or fungi from inside the body in order to remove dross. A third possibility is for both to occur simultaneously.

Naturopathy chooses not to treat dis-ease based on diagnostic labels, rather we focus predominately on optimizing the mind, body and spiritual terrain to treat a presenting symptom complex.

Once the inner milieu has been “cleaned up” the body is exquisite in it's ability to heal itself. Also by cleaning up the inner milieu the physical causes of the disease are removed (similar to removing weeds from a garden) and the chances of getting sick again are greatly reduced. (Gerson therapy and cancer for Cancer)

If I could sum up all disease in one word it would be: Mind, Body Spirit system toxicity.

In conclusion: How does all this all relate to the testing for CV 19.

1. One possibility is that the CV 19 strain has been isolated outside of the body and happens to look just like the released cellular exosome under electron microscope when inside the body.

2. CV 19 can enter the body from the outside and If ones has the resonant MBSS terrain illness results.

3. When MBSS’s’ are subjected to the new 5 G electromagnetic frequency: the cellular response is a detox mechanism done in attempt to adjust – resulting in the release of exosomes

4. How do we reconcile:

a. Demand that the rollout of 5 G be stopped until it can be proven safe.

b. In order for any information relating to testing, mortality rates and cases numbers , to have any validity the medical science community needs to come up with a reliable test for Covid 19.

c. If healthy, resist the current test (vaccine ramifications)

5. What can people do to protect themselves:

a. Improve their MBSS’s to the utmost that they are capable of.

Blessings

be well


Luke

What do you think? any comments, critique, etc....

[Elainie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

[Mypos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

Can you tell me why David is wrong? Short conclusion?

[Tintin]

Dont trust any of it...

This video nails it IMO... just a control move
HB00mLArYBQ

This maybe the wrong thread... so many CORVID-19 threads... haha

No, definitely the right thread :) (I need to watch this too, so, thanks for sharing it :highfive: )

[greybeard]

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[Tintin]

For anybody based in the United Kingdom who is following this carefully, and is interested in undertaking any statistical analysis of their own, here are a couple of statistical resources that may help:

1/ There are 1257 NHS and/or affiliated hospitals in the UK: https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/ (this company provides materials to the NHS so would have to know this for provision of materials. Presumably all these hospitals will have an ICU with varying degrees of capacity.)

2/ Source: https://www.mha.org.uk/news/policy-influencing/facts-stats/ - do read their statement published on their site as well. MHA are only one of a number of Care Home providers.


"Approximately 416,000 people live in care homes (Laing and Buisson survey 2016). This is 4% of the population aged 65 years and over, rising to 16% of those aged 85 or more."


Further, the Office for National Statistics site with population maps estimated from census and local authority data 2018/2019, here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/populationestimatesforukenglandandwalesscotlandandnorthernireland

Happy calculating :)

[greybeard]

For anybody based in the United Kingdom who is following this carefully, and is interested in undertaking any statistical analysis of their own, here are a couple of statistical resources that may help:

1/ There are 1257 NHS and/or affiliated hospitals in the UK: https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/ (this company provides materials to the NHS so would have to know this for provision of materials. Presumably all these hospitals will have an ICU with varying degrees of capacity.)

2/ Source: https://www.mha.org.uk/news/policy-influencing/facts-stats/ - do read their statement published on their site as well. MHA are only one of a number of Care Home providers.


"Approximately 416,000 people live in care homes (Laing and Buisson survey 2016). This is 4% of the population aged 65 years and over, rising to 16% of those aged 85 or more."


Further, the Office for National Statistics site with population maps estimated from census and local authority data 2018/2019, here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/populationestimatesforukenglandandwalesscotlandandnorthernireland

Happy calculating :)

Yes but Tintin -- trying to get a simple answer to the question. Which are the top ten causes of death in the UK?

Will get this kind of answer.
Heart disease remains the UK's biggest killer, even though deaths have almost halved in a decade, data shows. A new study from Imperial College London found the death rate from heart disease fell dramatically between 2005 and 2015, from 80 deaths per 100,000 people to 46 per 100,000.5 Jun 2019

No list no percentages -- its just not easy to get an answer.
Why is it difficult?
I dont know.
Anyway Heart Disease kills far more than any virus including the current one.
If anyone can get a simple chart and post it here that would be a great thing.
In order to quantify exactly how dangerous this virus is compared to other causes a chart is needed.
On what I have found so far suicide is actually a massive cause of death in the 35 -50 age group particularly males -- so mass unemployment on the horizon -- guess what that will do to the rate of suicides.
It could possibly dwarf the number of deaths attribute to this virus.

Thanks anyway
Chris

[greybeard]

What are the leading causes of death in the US?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929

Heart disease
Cancer
Unintentional injuries
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide

Please notice that influenzq and pneumonaia are well down the list.
I dont have a current number of thaose dying from thre current virus but it is most likly far lower than these top ten killers.
Chris

Around 74% of all deaths in the United States occur as a result of 10 causes. Over the past 5 years, the main causes of death in the U.S. have remained fairly consistent.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017.

The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016’s death rate.

However, the CDC advise that using age-adjusted rates is inaccurate for ranking causes of death.

All figures and percentages provided here come from the most recent data from the CDC, collected in 2017.

In this article, we expand on each of the leading causes of death and provide links to more detailed information on each condition. We also rank the causes according to the number of deaths per condition and their percentage share of the overall registered death count in the U.S.
1. Heart disease
Many of the top 10 causes of death are preventable through lifestyle changes and regular checkups.

Deaths in 2017: 647,457
Percentage of total deaths: 23.5%

Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. This is the case in the U.S. and worldwide. More than half of all people who die due to heart disease are men.

Medical professionals use the term heart disease to describe several conditions. Many of these conditions relate to the buildup of plaque in the walls of the arteries.

As the plaque develops, the arteries narrow. This makes it difficult for blood to flow around the body and increases the risk of heart attack or stroke. It can also give rise to angina, arrythmias, and heart failure.

To reduce the risk of dying from heart disease, a person can protect their heart health by adopting a healthful diet and getting regular exercise.

Being able to recognize the symptoms of a heart attack can also help people get prompt medical treatment and potentially save their lives.

In this article, learn more about the symptoms of heart disease and how to prevent it.

2. Cancer

Deaths in 2017: 599,108
Percentage of total deaths: 21.3%

Cancer occurs when cells do not die at the normal point in their life cycle. If a person’s body cannot control the spread of these cells, they can interfere with essential, life-sustaining systems and possibly lead to death.

Everyone has some degree of risk, but for most cancers, the risk will increase with age. Some people have a higher or lower risk due to differences in exposure to carcinogens, such as from smoking or exposure to chemical pollutants. Genetic factors also play a strong role in cancer’s development.

Race and sex also play a role in a person’s risk of developing cancer, depending on the type. That said, lung cancer causes more deaths than any other cancer in both men and women.

However, researchers are always taking steps to advance cancer treatment. In fact, the death rate from all cancers in the U.S. has dropped by 26% since 1991.
Estimated cancer-related deaths for 2019

The American Cancer Society estimate how many people will die from certain types of cancer in 2019.

According to them, the leading causes of death from cancer for males will be:

Lung and bronchus cancer: 76,650 deaths
Prostate cancer: 31,620 deaths
Colorectal cancer: 27,640 deaths

The leading causes of death from cancer for females will be:

Lung and bronchus cancer: 66,020 deaths
Breast cancer: 41,760 deaths
Colorectal cancer: 23,380 deaths

To learn more about cancer, click here.
3. Unintentional injuries

Deaths in 2017: 169,936
Percentage of total deaths: 6%

Accidents, or unintentional injuries, are the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S. overall, and the leading cause of death for those aged 1–44.
Possible prevention measures

Accidents are unintentional and usually unavoidable. However, there are many ways to reduce the risk of accidental injury and death.

Some key components of accident prevention include focusing on road and workplace safety, such as using a seatbelt and never driving or operating heavy machinery while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
4. Chronic lower respiratory disease

Deaths in 2017: 160,201
Percentage of total deaths: 5.7%

Chronic lower respiratory disease refers to a group of lung conditions that block the airflow and cause breathing-related issues. These diseases include:

chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
bronchitis
emphysema
asthma

Smoking drastically increases a person’s risk of developing these conditions.

In this article, learn more about what smoking does to the body, as well as the benefits of quitting.

Learn more about COPD here.
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5. Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
Stroke is the fifth leading cause of death in the U.S.

Deaths in 2017: 146,383
Percentage of total deaths: 5.2%

Cerebrovascular diseases develop due to problems with the blood vessels that supply the brain.

Four of the most common cerebrovascular diseases are:

stroke
transient ischemic attack, or mini stroke
subarachnoid hemorrhage
vascular dementia

Every year, more than 795,000 people in the U.S. have a stroke. The risk of stroke varies with race, ethnicity, and age.

The highest death rates from stroke in the U.S. occur in the Southeast.

In this article, learn about stroke, including how to prevent it.
6. Alzheimer’s disease

Deaths in 2017: 121,404
Percentage of total deaths: 4.3%

Dementia refers to a group of conditions that cause a decline in cognitive function. This affects a person’s ability to perform everyday activities.

Damage to the nerve cells in the brain causes dementia. As a result of the damage, neurons can no longer function normally and may die. This, in turn, can lead to changes in memory, behavior, and the ability to think clearly.

Alzheimer’s disease is just one type of dementia. Another type, called vascular dementia, can cause similar symptoms but instead results from changes to blood flow to the brain.

For people with Alzheimer’s disease, neuron damage and death eventually impair their ability to perform essential actions, such as walking and swallowing.

People in the final stages of this condition may not be able to leave their bed and may require around the clock care. Alzheimer’s is ultimately fatal.

In the U.S., an estimated 5.8 million people currently have Alzheimer’s disease, according to the Alzheimer’s Association. This figure may rise to 14 million people by 2050 as life expectancy continues to increase.

Alzheimer’s is also the only cause of death in the top 10 that medical experts cannot cure, prevent, or slow down.

In this article, learn more about Alzheimer’s disease.
7. Diabetes

Deaths in 2017: 83,564
Percentage of total deaths: 3%

Diabetes is a condition wherein the body can no longer control blood glucose, which leads to dangerously high levels of blood glucose. This is called hyperglycemia.

Persistent hyperglycemia can damage the body’s tissues, including those in the nerves, blood vessels, and eyes.

The body converts most of the food people eat into glucose, a simple sugar, which it can then use for energy. The pancreas, an organ near the stomach, makes a hormone called insulin to move glucose from the bloodstream into the cells.

There are two main types of diabetes: type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes.

The bodies of people with type 1 diabetes do not produce insulin at all, so these people need to supplement their supply. The bodies of people with type 2 diabetes cannot use insulin effectively.

However, it is possible to control the risk of type 2 diabetes with careful dietary management and regular exercise.

Diabetes can cause serious health complications, including heart disease, blindness, kidney failure, and the need for amputation of the lower extremities.

Learn more about diabetes, including some of the treatment options, here.
8. Influenza and pneumonia

Deaths in 2017: 55,672
Percentage of total deaths: 2%

Influenza, or flu, is a highly contagious viral infection. It is one of the most severe illnesses of the winter season.

Flu spreads easily from person to person, usually when someone who carries the virus coughs or sneezes.

A person can have the flu more than once, as many different strains of the virus can cause infection. They may belong to one of three different influenza families: A, B or C.

Type A viruses tend to affect adults more severely, while type B viruses most often cause health problems in children. Type C viruses are fairly uncommon.

Pneumonia, a serious condition that causes inflammation of the lungs, can cause complications in people who have the flu.

Pneumonia causes the air sacs in the lungs to fill with pus and other fluids, preventing oxygen from reaching the bloodstream. If there is too little oxygen in the blood, the body’s cells cannot function. This can be fatal.
9. Kidney disease

Deaths in 2017: 50,633
Percentage of total deaths: 1.8%

People over 60 years of age have a high risk of kidney disease.

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis are all conditions that affect the kidneys.

Chronic kidney disease (CKD) causes kidney damage. Damaged kidneys cannot filter blood as well as healthy kidneys. As a result of this, waste from the blood remains in the body and may lead to other health problems.

Around 30 million people in the U.S. may have CKD to some degree. Being over 60 years old increases the risk of CKD, as does having a family history of it. High blood pressure and diabetes are most likely to cause the CKD.

CKD develops in stages, and it does not usually cause symptoms until its most advanced stage. So, undergoing regular screenings can help reduce a person’s risk of dying from kidney disease.

In this article, learn more about CKD.
10. Suicide

Deaths in 2017: 47,173

When a person dies by suicide, they may have lived with a mental health condition — such as depression, anxiety, or bipolar disorder — for a long time.

However, not all people who attempt suicide or die by it have these conditions.

Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among people aged 10-34 years.

[Dorjezigzag]

New plans for recording UK care home deaths
The UK has been releasing daily coronavirus death tolls, but the figures have been hospital deaths only - they have not included deaths at people's houses or in care homes.

New figures from the Office of National Statistics published on Tuesday provide more information on deaths in care homes, but they are about two weeks out of date. That's because they rely on death certificates, which take a while to process.

Health officials are now trying to find ways to provide more up-to-date information from care homes.

From later this week, deaths that are suspected or confirmed to involve Covid-19 will be recorded daily, England's care regulator has said.

The Care Quality Commission (CQC) says these new figures should provide a "clearer picture of deaths" and highlight worst-hit regions.

The CQC says it will work with the ONS and Public Health England.

It is currently unclear whether these figures will be released publicly.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/4/14/072ae9b1-1475-48ac-a596-516ae1570593.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52275989

[Tintin]

For anybody based in the United Kingdom who is following this carefully, and is interested in undertaking any statistical analysis of their own, here are a couple of statistical resources that may help:

1/ There are 1257 NHS and/or affiliated hospitals in the UK: https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/ (this company provides materials to the NHS so would have to know this for provision of materials. Presumably all these hospitals will have an ICU with varying degrees of capacity.)

2/ Source: https://www.mha.org.uk/news/policy-influencing/facts-stats/ - do read their statement published on their site as well. MHA are only one of a number of Care Home providers.


"Approximately 416,000 people live in care homes (Laing and Buisson survey 2016). This is 4% of the population aged 65 years and over, rising to 16% of those aged 85 or more."


Further, the Office for National Statistics site with population maps estimated from census and local authority data 2018/2019, here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/populationestimatesforukenglandandwalesscotlandandnorthernireland

Happy calculating :)

Which are the top ten causes of death in the UK?

Will get this kind of answer.
Heart disease remains the UK's biggest killer, even though deaths have almost halved in a decade, data shows. A new study [from 2019 (https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/191414/heart-disease-deaths-nearly-halved-uk/)] from Imperial College London found the death rate from heart disease fell dramatically between 2005 and 2015, from 80 deaths per 100,000 people to 46 per 100,000.5 Jun 2019

No list no percentages -- its just not easy to get an answer.


Hi Chris

I've linked to the Imperial study you cited. I haven't been following this thread that closely so was unaware that you'd asked that question at all.

Of course, the links I've provided are simply a tool for others to do some of their own work :). More transparency about causes of death across the board do need to be available so we can get a better picture and can appear frustratingly difficult to come by. Note that we will not know until maybe a year from now the overall figures across the board for winter 2019 - early 2020.

Some other helpful resources available, here, and some more likely other causes that would require some kind of medical intervention or possible hospitalisation that might be classified as a 'Top Ten' candidate:



Road traffic accidents UK 2019 - information available here: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/road-accidents-and-safety-statistics

Pneumonia statistics UK British Lung Foundation - includes mortalities. Good detail on methodolgy here too, although data goes up to 2012, but may be a consistent trend year-on-year: https://statistics.blf.org.uk/pneumonia

Deaths from respiratory illnesses - information from NHS Digital with a publication date of March 2019: https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/clinical-indicators/compendium-of-population-health-indicators/compendium-mortality/current/mortality-from-respiratory-diseases

Example of a FOIA request re vaccine damage:

Request -
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/uk_vaccine_damage_statistics
Response - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/566605/response/1362264/attach/html/2/FOI%201172828%20Johnson%20v2.pdf.html

That's only taken me about half an hour to source, and there'll be other mortalities to include eg Alzheimer's Disease (https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/) (dementia, and vascular dementia and other mental health conditions), stroke, substance misuse (to include but not limited to alcoholism). This is just off the top of my head - there will be other well known causes perhaps not shown here.

Hope some of these help.

I'm afraid any folks wanting to know this type of information are not going to necessarily have it handed to them on a plate. Some work is necessarily involved :)

Those of you interested in digging a little further are going to have to dust off those calculators and work those excel spreadsheets :highfive:

[DaveToo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

Thanks for posting this video Elainie, I watched all of it, as dry as it was.

I hope others will also watch it and engage in discussion with me because there was a lot in it.
I was turned off by Clif High when I saw him in another video for the first time a week or two ago (he was being interviewed by a younger French guy).

So when I started to watch this one I didn't think I'd stay with it for more than a few minutes.

Allow me summarize what he said:

1. Says China is lying about their numbers.

2. He says China is going through a really bad second phase of Covid-19 now.

3. He says Kaufman is wrong. Kaufman saying it was a disease that took the Chinese
by surprise, they had to develop this test, in a flawed manner and it's all bogus.

4. He says it's a bio-weapon; so they know its genome sequence.
So they know exactly what to test for. Because they suspect it's one of
their bio-weapons. He says China poisoned humanity, by accidental release of this bio-weapon.

5. He says Kaufman may actually be Chinese 'dis-info'.

6. He says China is really suffering now!

7. He says Sweden is starting to suffer!

8. He says official published numbers are bull****. (I say: So where does he get his numbers from???)

9. He says 5G is not related to the deaths at all.

10. He says Globalization is GONE!!!! It won't be coming back !!!!!

10a. We have Decentralization now!!! Blockchain stuff now. Go local first, with agriculture.

11. China as a producer is GONE and won't be coming back!!!!

12. CCP as an entity may be gone and not coming back!!! We don't know. He says the CCP has poisoned humanity!!!

13. It's a bioweapon that will be with us for years and years and years.

14. Expect food prices to go through the roof in next 3 years.

15. There won't be iPhones in the future.

16. He thinks we're going to War with CCP, possibly a cold war.

17. He says Icke got most of his story wrong in his interview with Brian Rose last week and explains why.


In a nutshell, he's really worried about this. Saying the bio-weapon is deadly and will be with us for a long time.
Saying soon the world will catch on that China is responsible for its release and this will give the U.S. the green light to
start some kind of war with China.

He says the U.S. and the world will lose all of China's tech know-how and building expertise, and will be forced to take up everything that China has been doing because China is doomed due to the deaths the virus toll will cause to the country!

He says all of this started on Oct 19, 2019.

I'd be interested to hear other people's take on this video.

[Ratszinger]

Friend of mine from church league in grammar school and he had a open heart surg. a few years ago. Had a hole in his chest and goes to the hospital to have it further looked at so they can see about closing it all the way. Texts he is soaking in the tub, taking his meds, enjoying relaxing and praying for the planet. Later that night he dies. They list it as 'complications of coronavirus' which is total BS he went to the hospital for his chest, nothing to do with feeling sick or being sick with a virus at all and they even listed that in the paper too!! They lie. Literally everyone in our graduating class is having a **** fit on FB about it because w all know Scott died of complications of his heart surg. which went bad from the start. He almost died then! Scott had no symptoms whatsoever for coronavirus these hospitals simply get more money paid to them if they say that is what it is or was and they are doing that to get more $ apparently. Hospital administrators have incentive to kill off expendables, homeless, elderly and so on and get a bonus just from a little mention of this virus complication. How convenient!! Scott was a reverend with a church and congregation. They have no morals. Even his church knows the hospital lied about cause of death. We're all talking about it.

[Bo Atkinson]

No search results here for the vid (as of some minutes before writing this).

Dr. Judy Mikovits Talks About Corona Virus and the Plague of Corruption
17,765 views•Feb 17, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czwdEuqBhZM

Plague: One Scientist’s Intrepid Search for the Truth About Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Autism, and Other Diseases

404-ized ? site http://plaguethebook.com/

Quote- [duckduckgo says] Plague Of Corruption — Plague: The Book
Search domain plaguethebook.com/plague-of-corruption/plaguethebook.com/plague-of-corruption/
With the permission of Robert F. Kennedy. Jr., I've been authorized to allow you a sneak peek at his Foreword to my new book with Dr. Judy Mikovits, PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION.I'd like to encourage all my readers to begin regularly using the expression, "plague of corruption," to refer to the outright bribery by the pharmaceutical companies of our democracy, our media, and our scientific...End Quote

She says just pre-ordering the book from A m a z o n helps protect release of the book, staving off from censoring... Where big biz has too many stops on stopping it's sales. (?)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Just my opinion, but I do not trust in the slightest any of the figures they are releasing.

43247

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1250159339781922816

[Luke Holiday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

Thanks for posting this video Elainie, I watched all of it, as dry as it was.

I hope others will also watch it and engage in discussion with me because there was a lot in it.
I was turned off by Clif High when I saw him in another video for the first time a week or two ago (he was being interviewed by a younger French guy).

So when I started to watch this one I didn't think I'd stay with it for more than a few minutes.

Allow me summarize what he said:

1. Says China is lying about their numbers.

2. He says China is going through a really bad second phase of Covid-19 now.

3. He says Kaufman is wrong. Kaufman saying it was a disease that took the Chinese
by surprise, they had to develop this test, in a flawed manner and it's all bogus.

4. He says it's a bio-weapon; so they know its genome sequence.
So they know exactly what to test for. Because they suspect it's one of
their bio-weapons. He says China poisoned humanity, by accidental release of this bio-weapon.

5. He says Kaufman may actually be Chinese 'dis-info'.

6. He says China is really suffering now!

7. He says Sweden is starting to suffer!

8. He says official published numbers are bull****. (I say: So where does he get his numbers from???)

9. He says 5G is not related to the deaths at all.

10. He says Globalization is GONE!!!! It won't be coming back !!!!!

10a. We have Decentralization now!!! Blockchain stuff now. Go local first, with agriculture.

11. China as a producer is GONE and won't be coming back!!!!

12. CCP as an entity may be gone and not coming back!!! We don't know. He says the CCP has poisoned humanity!!!

13. It's a bioweapon that will be with us for years and years and years.

14. Expect food prices to go through the roof in next 3 years.

15. There won't be iPhones in the future.

16. He thinks we're going to War with CCP, possibly a cold war.

17. He says Icke got most of his story wrong in his interview with Brian Rose last week and explains why.


In a nutshell, he's really worried about this. Saying the bio-weapon is deadly and will be with us for a long time.
Saying soon the world will catch on that China is responsible for its release and this will give the U.S. the green light to
start some kind of war with China.

He says the U.S. and the world will lose all of China's tech know-how and building expertise, and will be forced to take up everything that China has been doing because China is doomed due to the deaths the virus toll will cause to the country!

He says all of this started on Oct 19, 2019.

I'd be interested to hear other people's take on this video.

Thank you for taking the time to create this fantastic summary! Just a few things I noticed:

1. He says 5G is not related to the deaths at all. …. Does Mr. High give any evidence, logic, or reasoning for this?

15. There won't be iPhones in the future. Why? Is he saying that we will be borged into the hive AI mind; therefore rendering them obsolete?


blessings

Luke

[Luke Holiday]

Here is an excellent video I lifted from Kerry Cassidy Project Camelot site regarding what she believe is going on. The video is 30 minutes long and covers Dr Cowan, Dr Dietrich Klinghardt. Dietrich is extremely well respected elder in the alternative/naturopathic medical communities and provides one of the best comprehensive summaries from a Mind/body/spirit systems point view of what is really going on. Deitrich's part is from 2:00 to 9:40.


I will summarize when I have more time :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70xuorU4XuE

[greybeard]

Is COVID-19 really an exosome and not a virus???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roDGPZMev7s

[greybeard]

Covid19 - Fixing The Numbers - David Icke

A reasonable explanation as how the figures are "Doctored"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXV1kyPFzaQ

[marielle]

Here is some interesting speculation--is it really a viral pandemic or a crime scene:

https://gilad.online/writings/2020/4/11/a-viral-pandemic-or-a-crime-scene


During his first term as Israel's leader, Mr Netanyahu authorised a risky attempt to assassinate the Palestinian rising star and Hamas leader, Mr. Khaled Meshaal in the Jordanian capital, Amman. Five Mossad agents, posing as Canadian tourists, were sent to Amman. They ambushed Mr Meshaal on a street corner and sprayed poison into his left ear and expected him to die within 48 hours.

But their plan went wrong. One of Meshaal's bodyguards chased the two Mossad agents who had carried out the operation and, with the help of a passing Palestinian Liberation Army officer, managed to capture them.

Instead of escaping over the border as they had planned, the rest of the Mossad team was trapped in the Israeli embassy in Amman. Mr Netanyahu was left with no option other than to negotiate with King Hussein of Jordan and plead for his assassins’ return. The king, who was dying of cancer, drove a hard bargain. Israel had to supply immediately the antidote to the poison that was killing Mr Meshaal. Netanyahu also had to agree to release nine Jordanians and sixty-one Palestinian prisoners amongst them Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas and at the time, Israel's most hated foe.

But here is the astonishing piece of this saga. The poison used by Israel is a slow-acting but lethal poison that gradually shuts down the brain's respiratory centre, leading to death. The doctor that revived Meshaal described his condition as respiratory oxygen deficiency. To date, it is not clear what type of agent was used by the Mossad against Meshaal, but a few facts are known. Israel employed a biological/chemical agent with a respiratory effect. Israel possessed the antidote to its lethal agent. Benjamin Netanyahu as Israeli PM, authorised the botched assassination and the usage of a biological/chemical weapon.

Another angle--radiation: https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/decision-support-in-medicine/pulmonary-medicine/radiation-induced-lung-injury/


Radiation-induced lung injury, including radiation pneumonitis and radiation fibrosis, is common among patients who have received radiation therapy, and it is the most common treatment-limiting toxicity among patients who receive thoracic radiation. The clinical presentation is typically cough, low-grade fever, with or without dyspnea, and radiographic changes that demonstrate a pattern of pneumonitis with ground glass opacities. It typically presents one to six months after therapy, while radiation-associated fibrosis tends to present six to twenty-four months following radiation therapy.

That description certainly sounds familiar! I sometimes wonder if the "hot spots" are really areas that were targeted and attacked with *something*. I even wonder if the reports about Chinese citizens being welded into their homes were because they were radioactive?

Edit--I'll bet that radiation produces lots of exosomes.

[T Smith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

Thanks for posting this video Elainie, I watched all of it, as dry as it was.

I hope others will also watch it and engage in discussion with me because there was a lot in it.
I was turned off by Clif High when I saw him in another video for the first time a week or two ago (he was being interviewed by a younger French guy).

So when I started to watch this one I didn't think I'd stay with it for more than a few minutes.

Allow me summarize what he said:

1. Says China is lying about their numbers.

2. He says China is going through a really bad second phase of Covid-19 now.

3. He says Kaufman is wrong. Kaufman saying it was a disease that took the Chinese
by surprise, they had to develop this test, in a flawed manner and it's all bogus.

4. He says it's a bio-weapon; so they know its genome sequence.
So they know exactly what to test for. Because they suspect it's one of
their bio-weapons. He says China poisoned humanity, by accidental release of this bio-weapon.

5. He says Kaufman may actually be Chinese 'dis-info'.

6. He says China is really suffering now!

7. He says Sweden is starting to suffer!

8. He says official published numbers are bull****. (I say: So where does he get his numbers from???)

9. He says 5G is not related to the deaths at all.

10. He says Globalization is GONE!!!! It won't be coming back !!!!!

10a. We have Decentralization now!!! Blockchain stuff now. Go local first, with agriculture.

11. China as a producer is GONE and won't be coming back!!!!

12. CCP as an entity may be gone and not coming back!!! We don't know. He says the CCP has poisoned humanity!!!

13. It's a bioweapon that will be with us for years and years and years.

14. Expect food prices to go through the roof in next 3 years.

15. There won't be iPhones in the future.

16. He thinks we're going to War with CCP, possibly a cold war.

17. He says Icke got most of his story wrong in his interview with Brian Rose last week and explains why.


In a nutshell, he's really worried about this. Saying the bio-weapon is deadly and will be with us for a long time.
Saying soon the world will catch on that China is responsible for its release and this will give the U.S. the green light to
start some kind of war with China.

He says the U.S. and the world will lose all of China's tech know-how and building expertise, and will be forced to take up everything that China has been doing because China is doomed due to the deaths the virus toll will cause to the country!

He says all of this started on Oct 19, 2019.

I'd be interested to hear other people's take on this video.

A few quick observations:

As far as I understand, Clif High subscribes to the RT-PCR pandemic statistics (i.e., China released a bioweapon, either by accident or by design; China knows exactly what RNA sequences to look for, therefore the COVID-19 statistics are real and David Icke is wrong). He debunks Kaufman’s explanation of PCR technology because Kaufman is not virologist and does not understand the virus is a deadly bioweapon. However, Judy Mikovits is a virologist--moreover a "gain-of-function" virologist, meaning her job was to specifically culture viruses like SARS CoV-2. So at the very least Dr. Mikovits understands the process. She confirms what Icke and others are saying, i.e. RT-PCR tests only isolate RNA sequences present across a family of viruses, not specific strands. That would suggest the statistics on which High is relying in his analysis may be grossly inflated. But that’s not to suggest the bioweapon is not real or present to some degree, nor imply there are not specific tests to isolate the virus (China and other testing technology at the State level likely can isolate SARS CoV-2 or any bioweapon just as High explains), but not testing among the masses to detect a specific novel virus mutation via RT-PCR. Clif High may be wrong on this point.


Clif High claims China is covering up a second wave. Evidence? Is this just speculation? There are a lot of theories out there about all this; I’m open to all of them (and I’m not suggesting he’s wrong). But I’m tiring of speculation. He also claims Sweden is in very serious trouble at present. But he doesn’t cite any evidence for either of these claims. I would like to see hard evidence from varying sources before I consider the virus is more dangerous than we think. (Again, I’m not saying he’s wrong—I’m just saying he’s not backing it up with anything).


If this was a bioweapon released on October 19, 2019 of the magnitude Clif High claims (according to his analysis we are basically screwed for the next 18 years and need to prepare for multiple waves of pandemic over the next 3 years) then it was a colossal intelligence failure on the part of the West. Is the intelligence community really that incompetent? In a non-polarized world, where National Security is paramount, the West would have boarded up Europe and North American by Halloween if what we are dealing with is what Clif High claims it to be. Alternatively, one could argue the Intelligence Deep State is at war with the Trump Administration and “let this happen.” After all, they do have six-ways from Sunday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I) to screw Trump (and in this case the entire world)… so if we are to subscribe to Clif High’s analysis it’s not China, per se, that unleashed this weapon, but Deep State globalist factions in our own government (which are likely in collusion with CCP). Every globalist organization and eugenicist foundation in the West was in bed with the Wuhan lab, which suggests to me a network of globalist interests “poisoned humanity” (to use High's words), e.g. CDC, WHO, The Gates Foundation, etc. The aforementioned have a track record for poisoning us for decades now, why all of the sudden finger China as the bad guy? Again, I’m not suggesting this wasn’t entirely the CCP’s weapon or mistake (we all understand they are capable of it); I’m just saying fingering the CCP without supporting evidence is a little two-dimensional.


Clif High is quick to criticize David Icke (I take little issue; I can’t get on board with everything Icke claims either) but with irony, I don’t think Clif High fully understands David Icke’s arguments insofar as he claims the same lack of understanding from Icke. Clif High claims the objective is not a tighter control system (the totalitarian tiptoe) because PTB know tighter controls do not make their subjects docile, but rather, increase their collective resistance, the yellow-shirts, the riots, etc., all of which pose an existential threat to the power structure itself. In other words, High is giving the PTB credit for being smarter than that.

Ahh, not so much. I’m afraid High needs a refresher course on David Icke’s arguments, which are founded on the works of Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russell, both of whom spoke at length about the psychological ramifications of medical tyranny. Anyone who truly understands David Icke’s argument understands mandatory vaccinations (which Icke rails about and which is no doubt on the table) will solve the uprising problem. To vaccinate against a supposed COVID-19 causing virus is essentially to vaccinate against a “resistance gene,” among the suppression of other behavioral traits counter the NWO program, similar to how vaccines now suppress the VMAT2 gene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piELyx5gaUI).

I think Cliff High is wrong here. Whatever is going on with the pandemic, the PTB are very close at achieving their Ultimate Revolution (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24712.htm), and so long as they can sell a mandatory vaccination to the public, resistance from the masses won’t be among their problems.

I’m open to hearing more about Clif High’s take. His analysis is not unfounded or unreasonable. I just thought I would throw the above observations on the table as some potential hurdles that don’t add up entirely before I carry the water too far down the road.

[greybeard]

T Smith
thank you for your observation on the Clif High video
Which I agree with on the whole.
Clif has not a great record in being correct as far as I recall.

The David Icke video which I have watched several times seems likely to be true.
It was a well present case for his arguments.
Clif did not present that well.
Chris

[norman]

People think I'm clutching at straws. Clif puts me to shame. He does it with so much more souce on it.

So he'll give us the end of globalism but otherwise we're screwed. Great.

Let's all paint ourselves into corners. That's good social distancing. I've got my corner, stay out of my corner, you've got your own.

[shaberon]

What are the leading causes of death in the US?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929

Heart disease
Cancer
Unintentional injuries
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide


Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among people aged 10-34 years.

I am not sure how overdose works into the ranks, but it should be pointed out that mainly opiate od's have led to the average American lifespan getting shorter; especially since like suicide it usually is a bit on the young side.

Most of what is in that list could also be described as "killed by doctor".

That is awful about Ratszinger's friend and the statement "incentivized to kill off expendables" has the sad resonance of "sounds likely". That is "death by doctor", i. e. they do nothing or do the wrong thing or experiment on you, or they do the right thing but it is actually wrong, and so forth. The opportunity for so many medical mishaps of course has a lot to do with the food industry and your so-called health. Of course, several of those things would still be killers in a pastoral existence anyway.

So now there appears a dispute about "made in China and now destroying millions there" versus "possibly started in America but is worse there than anywhere we know of". Well, if a governor is up to the point of telling a president to buzz off because he wants to keep his state closed...closure apparently is not in "American interest" and so it would not be of "globalist interest" so I do not think "stopping everything" is an umbrella goal. Closures are in local interest if they decide it is the safest way.

[greybeard]

Fear greatly lowers the immune system--the mind goes into fight or flight--the energy that is normally available goes to the priority of fighting.
Now we have the perfect system for promoting fear.
You and your relatives may die from a very potent virus, it spares none young or old , all are vulnerable, for your own good we have lock down.
On researching causes of death I was amazed to find the no 1 killer for teen to middle age is suicide.

So what happens when you really scare people --take away their method of paying for their established life style, their[ home at risk-- their work--confine them with worried scared family who depend on them to have an income?

So with this fear level rampant throughout the world I would be surprised if the death rate attributed to the virus did not go up dramatically.
I try to reassure people that the virus is not that deadly but bottom line is the media are hitting people for the most part in solitary confinment.
You tell people anything often enough they will believe it -- the new normal its being called.
The effects of this on peoples will go on for many years.
Heaven help us.
Chris

[AutumnW]

What are the leading causes of death in the US?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929

Heart disease
Cancer
Unintentional injuries
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide

Please notice that influenzq and pneumonaia are well down the list.
I dont have a current number of thaose dying from thre current virus but it is most likly far lower than these top ten killers.
Chris

Around 74% of all deaths in the United States occur as a result of 10 causes. Over the past 5 years, the main causes of death in the U.S. have remained fairly consistent.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017.

The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016’s death rate.

However, the CDC advise that using age-adjusted rates is inaccurate for ranking causes of death.

All figures and percentages provided here come from the most recent data from the CDC, collected in 2017.

In this article, we expand on each of the leading causes of death and provide links to more detailed information on each condition. We also rank the causes according to the number of deaths per condition and their percentage share of the overall registered death count in the U.S.
1. Heart disease
Many of the top 10 causes of death are preventable through lifestyle changes and regular checkups.

Deaths in 2017: 647,457
Percentage of total deaths: 23.5%

Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. This is the case in the U.S. and worldwide. More than half of all people who die due to heart disease are men.

Medical professionals use the term heart disease to describe several conditions. Many of these conditions relate to the buildup of plaque in the walls of the arteries.

As the plaque develops, the arteries narrow. This makes it difficult for blood to flow around the body and increases the risk of heart attack or stroke. It can also give rise to angina, arrythmias, and heart failure.

To reduce the risk of dying from heart disease, a person can protect their heart health by adopting a healthful diet and getting regular exercise.

Being able to recognize the symptoms of a heart attack can also help people get prompt medical treatment and potentially save their lives.

In this article, learn more about the symptoms of heart disease and how to prevent it.

2. Cancer

Deaths in 2017: 599,108
Percentage of total deaths: 21.3%

Cancer occurs when cells do not die at the normal point in their life cycle. If a person’s body cannot control the spread of these cells, they can interfere with essential, life-sustaining systems and possibly lead to death.

Everyone has some degree of risk, but for most cancers, the risk will increase with age. Some people have a higher or lower risk due to differences in exposure to carcinogens, such as from smoking or exposure to chemical pollutants. Genetic factors also play a strong role in cancer’s development.

Race and sex also play a role in a person’s risk of developing cancer, depending on the type. That said, lung cancer causes more deaths than any other cancer in both men and women.

However, researchers are always taking steps to advance cancer treatment. In fact, the death rate from all cancers in the U.S. has dropped by 26% since 1991.
Estimated cancer-related deaths for 2019

The American Cancer Society estimate how many people will die from certain types of cancer in 2019.

According to them, the leading causes of death from cancer for males will be:

Lung and bronchus cancer: 76,650 deaths
Prostate cancer: 31,620 deaths
Colorectal cancer: 27,640 deaths

The leading causes of death from cancer for females will be:

Lung and bronchus cancer: 66,020 deaths
Breast cancer: 41,760 deaths
Colorectal cancer: 23,380 deaths

To learn more about cancer, click here.
3. Unintentional injuries

Deaths in 2017: 169,936
Percentage of total deaths: 6%

Accidents, or unintentional injuries, are the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S. overall, and the leading cause of death for those aged 1–44.
Possible prevention measures

Accidents are unintentional and usually unavoidable. However, there are many ways to reduce the risk of accidental injury and death.

Some key components of accident prevention include focusing on road and workplace safety, such as using a seatbelt and never driving or operating heavy machinery while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
4. Chronic lower respiratory disease

Deaths in 2017: 160,201
Percentage of total deaths: 5.7%

Chronic lower respiratory disease refers to a group of lung conditions that block the airflow and cause breathing-related issues. These diseases include:

chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
bronchitis
emphysema
asthma

Smoking drastically increases a person’s risk of developing these conditions.

In this article, learn more about what smoking does to the body, as well as the benefits of quitting.

Learn more about COPD here.
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5. Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
Stroke is the fifth leading cause of death in the U.S.

Deaths in 2017: 146,383
Percentage of total deaths: 5.2%

Cerebrovascular diseases develop due to problems with the blood vessels that supply the brain.

Four of the most common cerebrovascular diseases are:

stroke
transient ischemic attack, or mini stroke
subarachnoid hemorrhage
vascular dementia

Every year, more than 795,000 people in the U.S. have a stroke. The risk of stroke varies with race, ethnicity, and age.

The highest death rates from stroke in the U.S. occur in the Southeast.

In this article, learn about stroke, including how to prevent it.
6. Alzheimer’s disease

Deaths in 2017: 121,404
Percentage of total deaths: 4.3%

Dementia refers to a group of conditions that cause a decline in cognitive function. This affects a person’s ability to perform everyday activities.

Damage to the nerve cells in the brain causes dementia. As a result of the damage, neurons can no longer function normally and may die. This, in turn, can lead to changes in memory, behavior, and the ability to think clearly.

Alzheimer’s disease is just one type of dementia. Another type, called vascular dementia, can cause similar symptoms but instead results from changes to blood flow to the brain.

For people with Alzheimer’s disease, neuron damage and death eventually impair their ability to perform essential actions, such as walking and swallowing.

People in the final stages of this condition may not be able to leave their bed and may require around the clock care. Alzheimer’s is ultimately fatal.

In the U.S., an estimated 5.8 million people currently have Alzheimer’s disease, according to the Alzheimer’s Association. This figure may rise to 14 million people by 2050 as life expectancy continues to increase.

Alzheimer’s is also the only cause of death in the top 10 that medical experts cannot cure, prevent, or slow down.

In this article, learn more about Alzheimer’s disease.
7. Diabetes

Deaths in 2017: 83,564
Percentage of total deaths: 3%

Diabetes is a condition wherein the body can no longer control blood glucose, which leads to dangerously high levels of blood glucose. This is called hyperglycemia.

Persistent hyperglycemia can damage the body’s tissues, including those in the nerves, blood vessels, and eyes.

The body converts most of the food people eat into glucose, a simple sugar, which it can then use for energy. The pancreas, an organ near the stomach, makes a hormone called insulin to move glucose from the bloodstream into the cells.

There are two main types of diabetes: type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes.

The bodies of people with type 1 diabetes do not produce insulin at all, so these people need to supplement their supply. The bodies of people with type 2 diabetes cannot use insulin effectively.

However, it is possible to control the risk of type 2 diabetes with careful dietary management and regular exercise.

Diabetes can cause serious health complications, including heart disease, blindness, kidney failure, and the need for amputation of the lower extremities.

Learn more about diabetes, including some of the treatment options, here.
8. Influenza and pneumonia

Deaths in 2017: 55,672
Percentage of total deaths: 2%

Influenza, or flu, is a highly contagious viral infection. It is one of the most severe illnesses of the winter season.

Flu spreads easily from person to person, usually when someone who carries the virus coughs or sneezes.

A person can have the flu more than once, as many different strains of the virus can cause infection. They may belong to one of three different influenza families: A, B or C.

Type A viruses tend to affect adults more severely, while type B viruses most often cause health problems in children. Type C viruses are fairly uncommon.

Pneumonia, a serious condition that causes inflammation of the lungs, can cause complications in people who have the flu.

Pneumonia causes the air sacs in the lungs to fill with pus and other fluids, preventing oxygen from reaching the bloodstream. If there is too little oxygen in the blood, the body’s cells cannot function. This can be fatal.
9. Kidney disease

Deaths in 2017: 50,633
Percentage of total deaths: 1.8%

People over 60 years of age have a high risk of kidney disease.

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis are all conditions that affect the kidneys.

Chronic kidney disease (CKD) causes kidney damage. Damaged kidneys cannot filter blood as well as healthy kidneys. As a result of this, waste from the blood remains in the body and may lead to other health problems.

Around 30 million people in the U.S. may have CKD to some degree. Being over 60 years old increases the risk of CKD, as does having a family history of it. High blood pressure and diabetes are most likely to cause the CKD.

CKD develops in stages, and it does not usually cause symptoms until its most advanced stage. So, undergoing regular screenings can help reduce a person’s risk of dying from kidney disease.

In this article, learn more about CKD.
10. Suicide

Deaths in 2017: 47,173

When a person dies by suicide, they may have lived with a mental health condition — such as depression, anxiety, or bipolar disorder — for a long time.

However, not all people who attempt suicide or die by it have these conditions.

Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among people aged 10-34 years.



None of these conditions are contagious, with a few exceptions. Say, for example a morbidly obese person kidnaps you, keeps you in a dungeon and forces you to eat what he or she eats. Their heart disease could be called contagious in that case, I guess. You also might end up killing yourself because you can't escape.

[greybeard]

Thanks AutumnW
Guess that spells it out very well.
Virus a minor but contagious.
People so scared of death yet every religion speaks of the after life.
Mind you some add the fear content of be good--obedient-- or you go to hell.
Hell is on earth right now -- do as your told or lockdown continues and you wont get your job back unless your vaccinated -- assuming where you work survives the coming depression.
Chris

[shaberon]

Along with an Ohio fentanyl bust, we get the assessment that in 2018 alone, opioids were involved in 46,802 overdose deaths. So about the same as kidney disease. Almost 4,000 per month.

Tuberculosis is omnipresent and contagious; As of 2018 one-quarter of the world's population is thought to be infected with TB. New infections occur in about 1% of the population each year. In 2018, there were more than 10 million cases of active TB which resulted in 1.5 million deaths.

Most of it just happens to be outside the U. S.

They will have to probably lump 3,000 "presumptions" along with several more wonky guesses to try and compete with that one.

[Luke Holiday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T346YyRfnxU

Thanks for posting this video Elainie, I watched all of it, as dry as it was.

I hope others will also watch it and engage in discussion with me because there was a lot in it.
I was turned off by Clif High when I saw him in another video for the first time a week or two ago (he was being interviewed by a younger French guy).

So when I started to watch this one I didn't think I'd stay with it for more than a few minutes.

Allow me summarize what he said:

1. Says China is lying about their numbers.

2. He says China is going through a really bad second phase of Covid-19 now.

3. He says Kaufman is wrong. Kaufman saying it was a disease that took the Chinese
by surprise, they had to develop this test, in a flawed manner and it's all bogus.

4. He says it's a bio-weapon; so they know its genome sequence.
So they know exactly what to test for. Because they suspect it's one of
their bio-weapons. He says China poisoned humanity, by accidental release of this bio-weapon.

5. He says Kaufman may actually be Chinese 'dis-info'.

6. He says China is really suffering now!

7. He says Sweden is starting to suffer!

8. He says official published numbers are bull****. (I say: So where does he get his numbers from???)

9. He says 5G is not related to the deaths at all.

10. He says Globalization is GONE!!!! It won't be coming back !!!!!

10a. We have Decentralization now!!! Blockchain stuff now. Go local first, with agriculture.

11. China as a producer is GONE and won't be coming back!!!!

12. CCP as an entity may be gone and not coming back!!! We don't know. He says the CCP has poisoned humanity!!!

13. It's a bioweapon that will be with us for years and years and years.

14. Expect food prices to go through the roof in next 3 years.

15. There won't be iPhones in the future.

16. He thinks we're going to War with CCP, possibly a cold war.

17. He says Icke got most of his story wrong in his interview with Brian Rose last week and explains why.


In a nutshell, he's really worried about this. Saying the bio-weapon is deadly and will be with us for a long time.
Saying soon the world will catch on that China is responsible for its release and this will give the U.S. the green light to
start some kind of war with China.

He says the U.S. and the world will lose all of China's tech know-how and building expertise, and will be forced to take up everything that China has been doing because China is doomed due to the deaths the virus toll will cause to the country!

He says all of this started on Oct 19, 2019.

I'd be interested to hear other people's take on this video.

A few quick observations:

As far as I understand, Clif High subscribes to the RT-PCR pandemic statistics (i.e., China released a bioweapon, either by accident or by design; China knows exactly what RNA sequences to look for, therefore the COVID-19 statistics are real and David Icke is wrong). He debunks Kaufman’s explanation of PCR technology because Kaufman is not virologist and does not understand the virus is a deadly bioweapon. However, Judy Mikovits is a virologist--moreover a "gain-of-function" virologist, meaning her job was to specifically culture viruses like SARS CoV-2. So at the very least Dr. Mikovits understands the process. She confirms what Icke and others are saying, i.e. RT-PCR tests only isolate RNA sequences present across a family of viruses, not specific strands. That would suggest the statistics on which High is relying in his analysis may be grossly inflated. But that’s not to suggest the bioweapon is not real or present to some degree, nor imply there are not specific tests to isolate the virus (China and other testing technology at the State level likely can isolate SARS CoV-2 or any bioweapon just as High explains), but not testing among the masses to detect a specific novel virus mutation via RT-PCR. Clif High may be wrong on this point.


Clif High claims China is covering up a second wave. Evidence? Is this just speculation? There are a lot of theories out there about all this; I’m open to all of them (and I’m not suggesting he’s wrong). But I’m tiring of speculation. He also claims Sweden is in very serious trouble at present. But he doesn’t cite any evidence for either of these claims. I would like to see hard evidence from varying sources before I consider the virus is more dangerous than we think. (Again, I’m not saying he’s wrong—I’m just saying he’s not backing it up with anything).


If this was a bioweapon released on October 19, 2019 of the magnitude Clif High claims (according to his analysis we are basically screwed for the next 18 years and need to prepare for multiple waves of pandemic over the next 3 years) then it was a colossal intelligence failure on the part of the West. Is the intelligence community that incompetent? In a non-polarized world, where National Security is paramount, the West would have boarded up Europe and North American by Halloween if what we are dealing with is what Clif High claims it to be. Alternatively, one could argue the Intelligence Deep State is at war with the Trump Administration and “let this happen.” After all, they do have six-ways from Sunday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I) to screw Trump (and in this case the entire world)… so if we are to subscribe to Clif High’s analysis it’s not China, per se, that unleashed this weapon, but Deep State globalist factions in our own government (which are likely in collusion with CCP). Every globalist organization and eugenicist foundation in the West was in bed with the Wuhan lab, which suggests to me a network of globalist interests “poisoned humanity” (to use High's words), e.g. CDC, WHO, The Gates Foundation, etc. The aforementioned have a track record for poisoning us for decades now, why all of the sudden finger China as the bad guy? Again, I’m not suggesting this wasn’t entirely the CCP’s weapon or mistake (we all understand they are capable of it); I’m just saying fingering the CCP without supporting evidence is a little two-dimensional.


Clif High is quick to criticize David Icke (I take little issue; I can’t get on board with everything Icke claims either) but with irony, I don’t think Clif High fully understands David Icke’s arguments insofar as he claims the same lack of understanding from Icke. Clif High claims the objective is not a tighter control system (the totalitarian tiptoe) because PTB know tighter controls do not make their subjects docile, but rather, increase their collective resistance, the yellow-shirts, the riots, etc., all of which pose an existential threat to the power structure itself. In other words, High is giving the PTB credit for being smarter than that.

Ahh, not so much. I’m afraid High needs a refresher course on David Icke’s arguments, which is founded on the works of Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russell, both of whom spoke at length about the psychological ramifications of medical tyranny. Anyone who truly understands David Icke’s argument understands mandatory vaccinations (which Icke rails about and which is no doubt on the table) will solve the uprising problem. To vaccinate against a supposed COVID-19 causing virus is essentially to vaccinate against a “resistance gene,” among the suppression of other behavioral traits counter the NWO program, similar to how vaccines now suppress the VMAT2 gene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piELyx5gaUI).

I think Cliff High is wrong here. Whatever is going on with the pandemic, the PTB are very close at achieving their Ultimate Revolution (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24712.htm), and so long as they can sell a mandatory vaccination to the public, resistance from the masses won’t be among their problems.

I’m open to hearing more about Clif High’s take. His analysis is not unfounded or unreasonable. I just thought I would throw the above observations on the table as some potential hurdles that don’t add up entirely before I carry the water too far down the road.

Thank you T smith for this fantastic comprehensive summary:


Just a few quick thoughts for hopeful discussion:


1. As you pointed out, he like so many others reports that Covid 19 is a bioweapon, but I have seen only reported circumstantial evidence -(Ie Rothchild front man George Soros heading up the Wuhan, China bioweapons lab) no hard evidence.

2. The fact that he: reports 5 G has no relation to CV deaths at all and believes that PCR tests are valid and reliable leads me to believe that CH is compromised.


Be well

Luke





Luke

[DaveToo]

A few quick observations:

As far as I understand, Clif High subscribes to the RT-PCR pandemic statistics (i.e., China released a bioweapon, either by accident or by design; China knows exactly what RNA sequences to look for, therefore the COVID-19 statistics are real and David Icke is wrong). He debunks Kaufman’s explanation of PCR technology because Kaufman is not virologist and does not understand the virus is a deadly bioweapon. However, Judy Mikovits is a virologist--moreover a "gain-of-function" virologist, meaning her job was to specifically culture viruses like SARS CoV-2. So at the very least Dr. Mikovits understands the process. She confirms what Icke and others are saying, i.e. RT-PCR tests only isolate RNA sequences present across a family of viruses, not specific strands. That would suggest the statistics on which High is relying in his analysis may be grossly inflated. But that’s not to suggest the bioweapon is not real or present to some degree, nor imply there are not specific tests to isolate the virus (China and other testing technology at the State level likely can isolate SARS CoV-2 or any bioweapon just as High explains), but not testing among the masses to detect a specific novel virus mutation via RT-PCR. Clif High may be wrong on this point.

Exactly. He also knocks China with their stats but doesn't say what stats he uses/relies on and why.




Clif High claims China is covering up a second wave. Evidence? Is this just speculation? There are a lot of theories out there about all this; I’m open to all of them (and I’m not suggesting he’s wrong). But I’m tiring of speculation. He also claims Sweden is in very serious trouble at present. But he doesn’t cite any evidence for either of these claims. I would like to see hard evidence from varying sources before I consider the virus is more dangerous than we think. (Again, I’m not saying he’s wrong—I’m just saying he’s not backing it up with anything).

Exactly. Show us the evidence please for China and Sweden?



If this was a bioweapon released on October 19, 2019 of the magnitude Clif High claims (according to his analysis we are basically screwed for the next 18 years and need to prepare for multiple waves of pandemic over the next 3 years) then it was a colossal intelligence failure on the part of the West. Is the intelligence community that incompetent? In a non-polarized world, where National Security is paramount, the West would have boarded up Europe and North American by Halloween if what we are dealing with is what Clif High claims it to be. Alternatively, one could argue the Intelligence Deep State is at war with the Trump Administration and “let this happen.” After all, they do have six-ways from Sunday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I) to screw Trump (and in this case the entire world)… so if we are to subscribe to Clif High’s analysis it’s not China, per se, that unleashed this weapon, but Deep State globalist factions in our own government (which are likely in collusion with CCP). Every globalist organization and eugenicist foundation in the West was in bed with the Wuhan lab, which suggests to me a network of globalist interests “poisoned humanity” (to use High's words), e.g. CDC, WHO, The Gates Foundation, etc. The aforementioned have a track record for poisoning us for decades now, why all of the sudden finger China as the bad guy? Again, I’m not suggesting this wasn’t entirely the CCP’s weapon or mistake (we all understand they are capable of it); I’m just saying fingering the CCP without supporting evidence is a little two-dimensional.

Exactly!



Clif High is quick to criticize David Icke (I take little issue; I can’t get on board with everything Icke claims either) but with irony, I don’t think Clif High fully understands David Icke’s arguments insofar as he claims the same lack of understanding from Icke. Clif High claims the objective is not a tighter control system (the totalitarian tiptoe) because PTB know tighter controls do not make their subjects docile, but rather, increase their collective resistance, the yellow-shirts, the riots, etc., all of which pose an existential threat to the power structure itself. In other words, High is giving the PTB credit for being smarter than that.

Ahh, not so much. I’m afraid High needs a refresher course on David Icke’s arguments, which is founded on the works of Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russell, both of whom spoke at length about the psychological ramifications of medical tyranny. Anyone who truly understands David Icke’s argument understands mandatory vaccinations (which Icke rails about and which is no doubt on the table) will solve the uprising problem. To vaccinate against a supposed COVID-19 causing virus is essentially to vaccinate against a “resistance gene,” among the suppression of other behavioral traits counter the NWO program, similar to how vaccines now suppress the VMAT2 gene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piELyx5gaUI).

I think Cliff High is wrong here. Whatever is going on with the pandemic, the PTB are very close at achieving their Ultimate Revolution (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24712.htm), and so long as they can sell a mandatory vaccination to the public, resistance from the masses won’t be among their problems.

Exactly. High is quick to criticize Kaufman, stating he is a psychiatrist not a virologist. Well what are High's credentials?
He's a computer scientist and linguist! Kaufman is a lot closer to virology with his training than High is.
Yes he criticizes Icke as well, and I agree with you, unfairly for the most part.



I’m open to hearing more about Clif High’s take. His analysis is not unfounded or unreasonable. I just thought I would throw the above observations on the table as some potential hurdles that don’t add up entirely before I carry the water too far down the road.

I'm with you all the way T Smith!
High wants to frighten us all, but has little to show for his fear-mongering (hard evidence).
He also seems giddy about starting some kind of war with China.

[Luke Holiday]

Hello,

I was motivated to fact check after hearing, reading and watching claims of alleged CV 19 death numbers exaggerations - in terms of terms cause of death dx on death certificates

So I have compiled 3 tables listing the Worldside Mortality rates for 2017, 2018 and 2020 up to 4/15/20. If the reports of bodies overflowing from hospital worldwide are correct, then we should see a spike in the mortality rates.

If the CV 19 numbers of deaths are being manipulated then the mortality rates should be relatively unchanged over last few years


I will hold my judgement for a later time.


Comments, discussion are encouraged :)

And what do you think social distancing so far?:


lukeholiday@yahoo.com

[gnostic9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1trzdmwR2M




Love peace and joy to all!

[Ioneo]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/k1trzdmwR2M/

[Rawhide68]

I remember back in the 80s that true names was used of politicians like "Kriegsminister", have you ever heard 99 luftballongs by Nena ?
Thats the true name of what a war starting person in power should be called "Minister of War"

but it became "unsexy" over the years so nowdays it's called the oposite


Intresting how just change a word, and its all of a sudden OK to go and kill people all over the world in the name of defense and to protect freedom.
So I suggest theese name changes

US Department of Defense
is US Department of War

United states Strategic Command Center for Combating Weapons of Mass Destruction
United states Strategic Command Center for "Creation of" Weapons of Mass Destruction

And in theese days we have Bio"war"labs doing evil, calling themselves Bio"war"protection labs

Everyone knows they are doing it, thanks for nothing dear Bio war protection lab for killing us slowly now.

** the US biowarfare program is global, deadly, & constantly on an offensive footing. with liaisons in all US intelligence agencies & all branches of the military, it is able to quickly & expertly unleash biological weapons on unsuspecting populations without the resulting epidemics & suffering being traced back to Washington. coronavirus has all the hallmarks of being one of these operations. **

[greybeard]

Something personal.
Many years ago I had a sledging accident and burst my spleen which had to be removed.
As a consequence I got double pneumonia and nearly died, injections of penicillin saved my life.
Why is it not used for this virus when breathing get really difficult through a form of pneumonia?
Would I have tested positive for the current virus and if died would that have gone down on my death certificate?
Chris

[shaberon]

I remember back in the 80s that true names was used of politicians like "Kriegsminister", have you ever heard 99 luftballongs by Nena ?


Luftballoon = "flying balloon", i. e. a bomber, not "red balloon" as was given in English; the English version generally toning down the obviously anti-war stance of the original.

Now if most of the disease problems are in nursing homes and prisons, we find at a prison swamped with over 250 cases that 98% (https://www.wral.com/covid-19-outbreak-at-north-carolina-prison-grows-to-150/19060704/) of those positives had no symptoms.

"...this could mean many people are walking around North Carolina in the public with no signs of infections or sickness."

"Doctors said they are concerned as social distancing loosens, those who show no signs of the virus could potential spread it more quickly."

We have finally surpassed the "expected seasonal flu deaths" by only a few, so, while admitting there may be something "slightly above average" here, this is still something like an already-universally-distributed infection that harms almost no one. What do you mean there "could" be people going around with no signs, or there is a chance to spread it to someone else who probably will not be affected??

[greybeard]

Shaberon you are right we have passed the normal flu season but its possible lockdown has extended it
Chris

[greybeard]

2020 Virus outbreak 02| The difference between dying FROM and dying WITH the Virus | Health | Adrian


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyOOGhEv-94

[shaberon]

Yes the confinement may have reverse consequences itself.



An early study from Stanford (https://spectator.us/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-more-widespread-realized/) suggests coronavirus is everywhere, "...if SARS-Cov-2 is already endemic in the population there is nothing we can do to stop it but no great reason to try to stop it, either: it has already ripped its way through the population with only a small proportion showing any symptoms."


A former Washington insider (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55069.htm) view suggests the efforts should have been spent towards the small number of vulnerable versus interrupting the lives of millions:

"The New York data, in fact, show that Covid-19 almost pinpointedly attacks the old, the frail, and the medically vulnerable, not the general population....the 1.64 million residents of New York over 69 years old account for just 0.5% of the US population, but have suffered 30% of the nation’s deaths WITH Covid."

[that uses the same terminology Chris just posted, FROM and WITH]

Instead of tossing trillions into a broken economy where, at the very least, "big creditors will eat small debtors", a fraction of that could have been used to separate and focus on the quite small number of people who needed it.

That is the story that seems to be emerging, highly contagious everywhere, but nothing really to be done for the general population. Instead of "doing something" in November, there was a period of, shall we say, business adjustment, before "doing something" at kind of the last minute before it becomes obviously the wrong idea, if we can realistically say there is no emergency at large.

[greybeard]

The Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is saying that Scotland is having different results from the rest of UK and may devolve its own exit strategy.
I am hopeful that Scotland will get back to work sooner rather than later-- there seem to be clear indication in her latest talk that this is the case.
Of course I did e mail her my concerns --smilng.
Chris

[waves]

April 17, 2020 FLORIDA OPENS UP SOME BEACHES

It's going to be increasingly obvious what a farce this has all been when nothing worse happens where things open up while other states right next door are still ruining lives, rights and imposing draconian inhumane restrictions across it's invisible line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h9TZo0psvw


https://www.clickorlando.com/news/florida/2020/04/17/north-florida-beaches-among-first-to-reopen-since-coronavirus-closures/


https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

[jmj12]

rarely post but check daily been collating post data seems we have the usual suspects posting their agenda good luck with that

[T Smith]

This video was posted in another thread but its information is so important it warrants duplication here:

JkhUn-A4G2M

Below are the important takeaways:

11:50 mark: PCR testing completely inaccurate and false science
13:10 mark: CDC and regulatory authorities literally lying to media every day (as a scientist only concerned with facts Dr. Bush seems genuinely confused and baffled by this and proffers his listeners no explanation, i.e. any speculation regarding agenda clearly beyond his pay grade...)
13:25 mark: Current authorities and media explanations regarding pandemic statistics defies immunology 101 (again, doesn't understand why); no scientist would ever think to create population statistics from PCR testing
13:53 mark: For some reason we're manipulating the data and using it unscientifically to a degree that we've never done before when scientifically analyzing and studying past pandemics
20:00 mark: Serology testing, when conducted en masse, will be embarrassing to the current narrative and show the current statistics are radically wrong
28:50 mark: Data of people dying is bizarrely being hidden and kept from scientists to study, e.g., crew ship data, death demographics, etc., which would help determine real nature of pandemic. PTB and regulatory agencies keeping data behind locked doors. (There is something in the data they don't want scientists/public to understand. What are they hiding?)

[T Smith]

April 17, 2020 FLORIDA OPENS UP SOME BEACHES

It's going to be increasingly obvious what a farce this has all been when nothing worse happens where things open up while other states right next door are still ruining lives, rights and imposing draconian inhumane restrictions across it's invisible line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h9TZo0psvw


https://www.clickorlando.com/news/florida/2020/04/17/north-florida-beaches-among-first-to-reopen-since-coronavirus-closures/


https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2p2QbT/avalon-signature.jpg

Sadly, I'm not convinced this is how it will go down. My feeling is States that open up will be subject to a deadly "second wave", fueled entirely by an aggressive Ministry of Truth campaign employing blatantly fabricated statistics. The public relations message being, "I-told-you-so!!" shouted loudly and unabashedly into our collective heads, i.e., PCR testing will suddenly ramp up and test anyone with as little as a "seasonal allergy" as COVID-19 positive; every myocardial infarction, hang-gliding accident, or gunshot wound resulting in unexpected death will be attributed to a rise of second-wave COVID-19 death statistics...all because said foolish state couldn't remain on lockdown... shame on them for valuing greed over safety!

It is getting apparent by the day how gullible and manipulatable the public is when rendered to a state of utter fear...

[Constance]

This video was posted in another thread but its information is so important it warrants duplication here:

Below are the important takeaways:

....]



T Smith. Thanks for sharing this here. Dr. Zach Bush made a very interesting comment on his FB page. This is what he shared:



"The current global situation may seem hopeless, but let's take another look.

It is just a quagmire of old dudes that have entangled themselves badly.

They think they have controlled for everything, to control everything, but at their moment of victory the path opens up beneath them, and the people run into the future ahead, co-creating something freaking beautiful.

The old dudes can party on in their rusting infrastructure comparing the number of digital zeros in their virtual bank accounts with no humanity around to bother them. Everyone's happy."

[Rawhide68]

I know this is in Swedish (with no subtitles unfortunately) but it's so important so It needs to be put up here at the forum anyway :horn::horn::horn::horn:

"An explosive interview with physician and alternative therapist Mikael Nordfors about the corruption that follows in the wake of the Corona pandemic"

If anyone know how to translate it plz do so!

_qR_-5v21OM

[shaberon]

April 17, 2020 FLORIDA OPENS UP SOME BEACHES


For the time being, Florida has made it next to impossible to enter the state from elsewhere. That is why someone is stuck here. It is the worst part of lockdown--domestic. Really wearing me down.

A Massachusetts nose test (https://www.rt.com/usa/486235-massachusetts-covid-19-antibody-study/) finds antibodies in 1/3 of the population.

Again it looks to me like "do nothing" with the knowledge for a few months, followed by the largest wealth transfer in history disguised behind public safety, followed by the lack of an actual emergency.

[Agape]

Yes it seems that many independent organizations started to collect big money now, with help of various media outlets of course “to help victims of coronavirus”.
No matter what news page I’ve opened of recent, the adds are popping up, sometimes in indecent manner.

The more disturbing piece of news of recent though suppressed and labeled “highly controversial” is that this viral chimera really is a bioweapon. If I say that we all thought about it as such from the very beginning but suspected self from paranoia I’m still a suspect:)

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/coronavirus-man-made-in-wuhan-lab-nobel-laureate/amp_articleshow/75227989.cms

This is just one article among many of today but voices are rising ..


My own speculations about it are that it really “did not start in Wuhan” (as the author of the article claims) and the very Chinese government do not have all the information but they should make all they know available, no matter how controversial it may sound.

In my vague speculations it could have been created in one of the “underground” top-notch labs run by rogue billionaire mafia from places like Hongkong or Taiwan ( again, without association with any of the legal governments so don’t read me wrongly) that are illegal but best equipped where “everything is allowed”.
Such groups and laboratories do exist, scientists and other personnel working in them are highly qualified working in utmost secrecy by “mafia laws” basically,
they are permitted to experiment “in vitro and in vivo” , hack embryos, create chimera organisms, new types of drugs of all kinds and so forth.

It could be- my speculation again- that one of these magnate groups intended to take over the standing Chinese regime and government that is almost invincible by “normal means” otherwise.


The “thing” called Covid 19 has been more virulent than any other natural pathogen so far, spreading too fast.

It’s for that very reason India has basically treated it as potential bioweapon since the very beginning and carriers of the virus are actively sought and hunted for,
borders of states, districts and towns are closed,
the only way we have prevented far far bigger spread and damage to the vulnerable populace.


True or not, there is no normal means we can find out.

If it is true the laboratory and its scientists are probably well isolated (and guarded) or, as someone would say “buried alive”.

In either case someone has committed “pure evil” and “clean crime” against humanity, helping the depopulation agenda and take over by the next generation of bank holders.

Sorry if I don’t have the name for everything neither I’m searching for those names in my mind since it’s quite meaningless.

[leavesoftrees]

Top Israeli prof claims simple stats show virus plays itself out after 70 days

Isaac Ben-Israel, who is not a medical expert, says analysis worldwide shows new cases peaking after about 40 days, slams economic closures; leading doctor dismisses his claims



A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

Prof Isaac Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program in Tel Aviv University and the chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, told Israel’s Channel 12 (Hebrew) Monday night that research he conducted with a fellow professor, analyzing the growth and decline of new cases in countries around the world, showed repeatedly that “there’s a set pattern” and “the numbers speak for themselves.”

While he said he supports social distancing, the widespread shuttering of economies worldwide constitutes a demonstrable error in light of those statistics. In Israel’s case, he noted, about 140 people normally die every day. To have shuttered much of the economy because of a virus that is killing one or two a day is a radical error that is unnecessarily costing Israel 20% of its GDP, he charged.



A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

Prof Isaac Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program in Tel Aviv University and the chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, told Israel’s Channel 12 (Hebrew) Monday night that research he conducted with a fellow professor, analyzing the growth and decline of new cases in countries around the world, showed repeatedly that “there’s a set pattern” and “the numbers speak for themselves.”

While he said he supports social distancing, the widespread shuttering of economies worldwide constitutes a demonstrable error in light of those statistics. In Israel’s case, he noted, about 140 people normally die every day. To have shuttered much of the economy because of a virus that is killing one or two a day is a radical error that is unnecessarily costing Israel 20% of its GDP, he charged.

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Prof. Gabi Barbash, a hospital director and the former Health Ministry director general, insisted in a bitter TV exchange that Ben-Israel is mistaken, and that the death tolls would have been far higher if Israel and other countries had not taken the steps they did.


But Ben-Israel said the figures — notably from countries, such as Singapore, Taiwan, and Sweden, which did not take such radical measures to shutter their economies — proved his point. (He also released a paper to this effect, with graphs showing the trajectories.)

When Barbash cited New York as ostensible proof that Ben-Israel was mistaken, Ben-Israel noted the latest indications from New York were precisely in line with his statistics that indicate daily new cases figures peaking and starting to fall after about 40 days.

Asked to explain the phenomenon, Ben-Israel, who also heads Israel’s Space Agency, later said: “I have no explanation. There are all kinds of speculations. Maybe it’s related to climate, or the virus has a life-span of its own.”

He said the policy of lockdowns and closures was a case of “mass hysteria.” Simple social distancing would be sufficient, he said.

If the lockdowns instituted in Israel and elsewhere were not causing such immense economic havoc, there wouldn’t be a problem with them, he said. “But you shouldn’t be closing down the entire country when most of the population is not at high risk.”

Asked to explain why the virus had caused such a high death toll in countries such as Italy, he said the Italian health service was already overwhelmed. “It collapsed in 2017 because of the flu,” he said.

Barbash, speaking after Ben-Israel had left the studio, insisted that “we’re going to be living with the coronavirus for the next year.”

He added: “I strongly urge that we not let mathematicians — who know nothing about biology — determine when we lift the lockdown.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/?fbclid=IwAR3MVsYsAFH2LSiOXpL3ha0zQna7zJdpLAfJhkKjmaXprtimqPao78leu_0

[greybeard]

World Health Organisation chief warns 'worst yet ahead of us' in coronavirus pandemic
Evening Standard Sean Morrison,Evening Standard

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/world-health-organisation-chief-warns-191700932.html



The World Health Organisation’s chief has warned that "the worst is yet ahead of us" in the coronavirus pandemic.

WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus did not specify why he believes the outbreak could get worse, but he and others have previously pointed to the likely spread of the illness through Africa, where health systems are less developed.

His remarks will likely revive alarm, just as many countries ease restrictive measures aimed at reducing the spread of the virus that has infected 2.5 million people and killed more than 166,000.

"Trust us. The worst is yet ahead of us," he told reporters from WHO headquarters in Geneva. "Let's prevent this tragedy. It's a virus that many people still don't understand."

Some Asian and European governments have gradually eased or started relaxing lockdown measures like quarantines, school and business closures and restrictions on public gatherings, citing a decline in the growth of Covid-19 case counts and deaths.

Mr Tedros and his agency have been on the defensive after President Donald Trump of the US - the WHO's biggest single donor - last week ordered a halt to US funding for the agency.

The US leader alleged that the organisation botched the early response to the outbreak.

Among other things, Mr Trump insisted the WHO had failed to adequately share "in a timely and transparent" way information about the outbreak after it erupted in China late last year.

Mr Tedros said: "There is no secret in WHO because keeping things confidential or secret is dangerous. It's a health issue.

"This virus is dangerous. It exploits cracks between us when we have differences."

He said US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention staff have been seconded to work with his agency, suggesting that was a sign of the WHO's transparency.

"Having CDC staff means there is nothing hidden from the US from day one" Mr Tedros said. "Our CDC colleagues also know that we give information immediately to anyone."

In one of his starkest comparisons yet, the UN health agency chief also alluded to the Spanish Flu more than a century ago.

He said the coronavirus has a "very dangerous combination... like the 1918 flu that killed up to 100 million people".

Mr Tedros called the illness "Public Enemy Number One" and said: "We have been warning from day one: this is a devil that everybody should fight."


So how exactly would he know its going to get worse? -- much talk of second wave.

Chris

[greybeard]

Peter Hitchens: Hysterical reaction to Covid19 & public support of lockdown is scary & dangerous

•Premiered on 17 Apr 2020

This week on #SWYSI, Peter Hitchens attacks the UK government's Coronavirus lockdown policy ("the Great Panic") and explains why its enthusiastic embrace by the British public disturbs him greatly. From the outset, Hitchens maintained that restricting civil liberties, locking down a healthy population, and stalling a healthy economy are very dangerous -- and reckless -- activities that risk irreparable harm to individuals, society and the nation. Indeed, he argues that they are a threat to our very way of life.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogeVM3JsJoM

[Tintin]

From mumsnet message board over the past couple of days and it's worth spending a little time scrolling through to get a handle on what's actually going on 'on-the-ground' within the NHS. It's important to bear in mind that there will be regional differences and fluctuations of course with capacity and genuine caseloads. Here in the west of England reported Covid-19 'cases' have been lower than anywhere else in the country, to date.

Still, many of the statements I've read through here and from a variety of different sources, and even local observations here. would lend a degree of weight to the likelihood that this is being way overplayed by mainstream media, unsurprisingly.

(From the daily CV press briefings from Downing Street the more attentive and aware of us have noticed the continued use of the word 'messaging' being used/deployed - that'd be a clue. This doesn't mean there isn't a virus, but, it does emphasize how the MSM, and Government, is 'spinning' this.)

Link: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3886452-The-hospital-I-work-in-is-so-quiet?pg=1&order=

Sample, below:

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[norman]

Yea, but by the time the academic approach to seeing through this has scored enough of it's own type of points, the problem and the target will be miles away down the road ahead of us.

"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results"

The crooks act by the seat of their pants. We react one academic funeral at a time. What's wrong with this picture.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Latest CDC COVID-19 Numbers Make the Doom-and-Gloom Cult Look Like Complete Idiots

The CDC recently released coronavirus numbers from February 1, 2020 to April 18, 2020.

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With each day it is getting harder and harder for these so-called experts to defend their complete destruction of the American economy.

Since February there have been 17,229 COVID-19 deaths. Another 7,676 died from COVID-19 and pneumonia. During this same time period 49,013 Americans died from pneumonia.

And then there is the age gap. There were 20 deaths under the age of 25. That comes out to 0.1% of all coronavirus deaths. There were 13,518 deaths over 65 years of age.

There is no way in hell this justifies the complete destruction of the US economy.

When this is all over the good doctors and garbage IHME researchers will have a lot of explaining to do!

More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/latest-cdc-covid-19-numbers-make-doom-gloom-cult-look-like-complete-idiots/

[Dorjezigzag]

Deaths in England and Wales have nearly doubled above what would be expected, hitting a 20-year high.

The Office for National Statistics said there were 18,500 deaths in the week up to 10 April - about 8,000 more than is normal at this time of year.

A third were linked to coronavirus, but deaths from other causes also increased, suggesting the lockdown may be having an indirect impact on health.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/7C02/production/_111864713_optimised-ons_excess_bars21apr-nc.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519

[Elainie]

Hi all!
We got our Vibrant America Lab's antibody tests back, the results were negative for both my daughter and myself BUT here is the BIG NEWS............

My daughter has a Great Dane puppy and her breeder who is in Aspen, Colorado was very ill in August, hospitalized with fever, GI symptoms , cough and not breathing well so after three days of staying at home isolating himself from his mother and partner, he was hospitalized for not being able to breathe well and being very ill. This was mid August, infectious disease came in, isolated him and started testing him , everything from HIV, hantavirus, bubonic plague, tulerimia, flu strains etc (not SARS or MERs though) and couldn't figure it out. He was put on a C PAP and was discharged four days later when his breathing was normalized.

He recovered, months went by until very recently, the MD's who saved his life at the hospital starting putting 2+2 together, and said why don't use get an antibody test, so he did, his test was done via LabCorp. He has not been ill since. His test came back positive with a high antibody count!

Now , again his illness was MID AUGUST!!! And, while he only travels domestically via car to deliver Dane's , the only one country he picks up Dane's from for his Dane rescue is Italy!!!! And he does this on a pretty regular basis, picking them up at the airport coming in from Italy.

I feel this is VERY important information, I know he went into a database but I have no further detail on what they plan to do with this information, his MD's are satisfied they finally got to the bottom of what they called a "baffling illness".

[norman]

Hi all!


This post should also be put in the "Did anyone get this last year etc" thread.

August last year was when Fort Detrick was shut.

[onawah]

Crackdown lockdown downtown: fiddling case numbers while Rome burns
by Jon Rappoport
April 22, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/22/crackdown-lockdown-downtown-fiddling-case-numbers-while-rome-burns/

(Rappoport always puts an ironically funny spin on whatever the current madness is, and makes me feel better.)

'In today’s episode of CDC/WHO holds the world hostage and builds a new wing on its mystical temple of lying science, while trance-induced billions stare at their TV sets for the latest fabrications, we begin here—

Author Michael Fumento sets off an explosion in his recent article on the failure of epidemic models: “’The … crisis we face is unparalleled in modern times,’ said the World Health Organization’s assistant director, while its director general proclaimed it ‘likely the greatest peacetime challenge that the United Nations and its agencies have ever faced.’ This was based on a CDC computer model projection predicting as many as 1.4 million deaths from just two countries.”

“So when did they say this about COVID-19? Trick question: It was actually about the Ebola virus in Liberia and Sierra Leone five years ago, and the ultimate death toll was under 8,000.”

Bang.

Well, look, the CDC and WHO have to stay in business, right? They can’t allow a fallow period of no pandemics. They HAVE TO predict dire consequences. Otherwise, some people might start questioning their budgets. It’s a fight for bureaucratic survival, and if millions or billions of people have to lose their jobs and income and freedom in the process, so be it.

Here is a key paragraph from the CDC’s latest brain-twisting definition of a COVID case. As you’ll see, it allows the counting of cases where no confirmatory diagnostic test has been done on a patient at all. Have to inflate those numbers, right? How else can an agency justify its existence?

“As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths…A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19. A probable case or death is defined by i) meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; or ii) meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; or iii) meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19.”

If you spend too long trying to decipher the meaning of every phrase and term in that definition, you might find yourself in the labyrinth of a psych ward. But it IS obvious that a COVID case without a confirming diagnostic test is being welcomed on board. “Sure, why not, join the party.”

Meanwhile, out front, on television, and quietly in the Oval Office, petty bureaucrat, numbers massager, and interim president of the United States of Crackdown Lockdown, Anthony Fauci, can switch case numbers up and down and sideways. He can shovel it high and deep to his heart’s content. All in all, his job is keeping the public health gravy train moving, while covering the caboose (ass) of that train.

Fauci, New England Journal of Medicine, February 28, 2020, “Navigating the Uncharted”:

“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)…”

In case there is any doubt, those “pandemic influenza seasons” of 1957 and 1968 did NOT result in any lockdowns. People went outdoors. They mingled. They sat in stadiums. They went to their jobs.

Fauci, March 30, 2020, Reason Magazine: “Jake Tapper asked Fauci how many COVID-19 cases the United States can expect to see, ‘To be honest with you, we don’t really have any firm idea,’ Fauci said. ‘There are things called models. And when someone creates a model, they put in various assumptions. And the model is only as good and as accurate as your assumptions…Looking at what we’re seeing now,’ Fauci said, ‘we’re going to have millions of cases’ in the United States, and it is reasonable to expect ‘between 100,000 and 200,000’ deaths. But he cautioned that ‘I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection, when it’s such a moving target, that you can so easily be wrong and mislead people.’ Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House’s COVID-19 task force, yesterday cited similar but somewhat less alarming estimates, saying ‘between 80,000 and 160,000, maybe even potentially 200,000 people,’ could be killed by COVID-19 in the United States.”

Uh huh. Right. Sure. Bad flu season. Really bad flu season. Millions of cases. Between 80,000 and 200,000 thousand dead in the US. Depends on the definition of a COVID case and how jacked up the numbers are. Depends on which computer model and projection is used.

Depends on whether the talking heads decide it’s a day for tough love or just plain tough. Either way, some version of fiction is going to run like sewer water out of their mouths.

It’s Christmas and birthday and Thanksgiving all rolled into one for the CDC and WHO. They’ve finally gotten what they wanted, all through the parade of AIDS, West Nile, SARS, bird flu, Swine Flu, Zika, and the terrorist smallpox scare:

MASS IMPRISONMENT OF THE POPULATION.

And as I’ve said from the beginning, the key moment was the Chinese Regime locking down 50 million people overnight. That was the signal and the model and the “breakthrough.” “They did it, so we can do it, too.”

All hype, all theater, all the time."

SOURCE:

* https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/18/after-repeated-failures-its-time-to-permanently-dump-epidemic-models/

* https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

* https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

* https://reason.com/2020/03/30/as-trump-imagines-2-2-million-deaths-from-covid-19-in-the-u-s-a-top-federal-disease-expert-cautions-against-believing-worst-case-scenarios/

[graciousb]

Something personal.
Many years ago I had a sledging accident and burst my spleen which had to be removed.
As a consequence I got double pneumonia and nearly died, injections of penicillin saved my life.
Why is it not used for this virus when breathing get really difficult through a form of pneumonia?
Would I have tested positive for the current virus and if died would that have gone down on my death certificate?
Chris

Wouldnt work with viral pneumonia though, only bacterial.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi all.
Quickly posting this mail I received.
Rushing out as I type.
Haven't read it my self yet, but looks worthy of consideration ;(

Mods sorry if posted in wrong place.


COVID-19 fraud: Researcher Jim West rides again
(To read about Jon's mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)
I became aware of Jim West's work back in the day of the West Nile fake epidemic. Jim was documenting the destructive effects of air pollution in the areas where the virus was said to be causing harm.

He's doing it again, now, in the case of COVID. His latest blog post, at harvoa-med[dot]blogspot[dot]com, is titled, "COVID Pandemic 2020: Environment Omitted." [In emailed articles, we don't post live links, because they induce bounces and poor delivery to subscribers. My blog post at NoMoreFakeNews has the live link.]

Here are two key Jim West quotes:

"Air pollution correlates with COVID-19 epicenters. The only pollutant that could have a worldwide timeline correlation with these coinciding epidemics would be fracking fuel, its global implementation timing and toxicity dependent upon its formulation. Apparently new toxics were added to fracked fuel directly or by relaxing the rules for cleaning fracked 'natural' gas. Fracked fuel exhaust, toxic earth gas vapors, and epidemic locations correlate with the record-high measles epidemics of 2019 and the present COVID-19 epidemics."

"New Orleans has the highest [so-called "COVID"] death incidence in the US, at 38, and is adjacent the largest petrochemical industrial region of the US. New York City is next, with a death incidence of 32, and is adjacent the second largest petrochemical region in the US."

Jim emphasizes that his research on air pollution and "COVID" is ongoing, and he'll be expanding and adjusting that work as he discovers new information.

Since 1987, I've been writing about the use of THE VIRUS as a successful cover story, launched to obscure corporate and government crimes that harm health and kill large numbers of people.

Public awareness of covert ops and cover stories is widening---particular in light of the blizzard of lies surrounding the "pandemic."

The CDC, through its Epidemic Intelligence Service, and the World Health Organization, routinely send their virus hunters out into the field to explain away environmental crimes with highly arcane gibberish about germs. These organizations front for pharma, other types of major corporations, and governments---all intent on concealing their crimes against populations.

This time, with COVID, the op goes much farther. Its aim is the creation of a new civilization, ruled by technocrats, who are using the false propaganda notion of a "spreading virus" to insist on global governance; only then, they say, can we coordinate epidemic responses early enough to head off worldwide disasters.

"We're all in this together."

Translation: If you buy fake love and fake share and care---as opposed to the real thing---you're in the mind control bubble where following all official orders turns you into a sincere pod person---to be controlled and sacrificed on the altar of a New World Order.

Yes, Virginia, the NWO is real. It's a cheery marshmallow with a poisoned core.

Here is an illustration of a prime-cut A-number-one cover story, from 2003---SARS, the great epidemic that, according to the World Health Organization, was gripping planet Earth. In the end, WHO listed the death total as: 800. On a planet of 6.3 billion people.

Where did SARS begin? Where was it first found? Guangdong, China. In their excellent book, Virus Mania, Torsten Engelbrecht and Claus Kohnlein explore non-virus causes of flu-like illness in that locale. They found causes. It turns out this area is one of the world's largest re-cyclers of e-waste:

"Guangdong is China's largest industrial area...extremely polluted. Garbage lies everywhere; above all high-tech waste...For $1.50 a day, locals disassemble computers, monitors and printers with their bare hands, endangering both their own health and the environment... There, workers empty toner cartridges from laser printers the whole day long without protective masks, breathing in fine carbon dust. Others, mostly women and girls, dip circuit boards into baths of liquid lead to separate and collect the soldering materials with which the memory chips and processors are attached to the plates. Unprotected, they are exposed to toxic fumes. While the plastic plates are simply burned up, the chips and processors are put in acid baths, to extract their gold. Here as well, poisonous fumes are generated, and the unusable leftover acids are just dumped into the river. A lot of garbage is simply burned up or dumped onto rice fields, irrigation facilities or into waterways. The bodies of water and groundwater around Guiys have become so contaminated that drinking water has to be brought in daily from other cities..."

A real cause of real illness. No need for a virus. Except...as a cover story.


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Jon Rappoport

The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world.

You can find this article and more at NoMoreFakeNews.

[Tintin]

"Incidentally, extrapolating influenza measures to the Covid-19 epidemic is absurd: influenza affects many children, not Covid-19, which in demographic terms only kills elderly people or people with diabetes or high blood pressure. Children infected with Covid-19 have a very low viral load, it is not even known to this day whether they are contagious." - Thierry Meyssan

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INTELLECTUAL FRAUD
Covid-19: Neil Ferguson, the Liberal Lyssenko
by Thierry Meyssan VOLTAIRE NETWORK | DAMASCUS (SYRIA) | 20 APRIL 2020

In the past, European political leaders yielded to the orders of their astrologers. Today, they refer to them identically to the statisticians of the Imperial College. In the past, the latter have provided them as much justification as they needed for their liberal hospital policy. Today, they predict millions of deaths without any scientific rigour. Thierry Meyssan reveals how these charlatans have taken control of the policies of the European Union, the United Kingdom and certain states of the United States.

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Professor Neil Ferguson, high priest of liberal hospital management and inventor of the generalized containment against Covid-19.

In the early days of the Cold War, it was customary in the West to make fun of the blindness of the Soviets who believed in the nonsense of Professor Trofim Lyssenko. The First Secretary of the Party, Joseph Stalin, had banned the teaching of genetics and used Lyssenko as a scientific justification for Marxism, but he drew no practical consequences. Today the same mental illness has reached the West. Professor Neil Fergusson assures that statistics can predict the behaviour of living beings. This is stupid, yet many high-ranking political leaders believe it. Unfortunately, unlike the Soviets, they draw political consequences that ruin their countries.

The Creation of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
For the past two decades, Western political leaders have been trying to use statistical knowledge of epidemics to determine the right decisions to be made in the event of danger. Following the SARS outbreak in 2003, the European Union established the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDPC) in 2005. During the second half of 2008, this centre and the French rotating presidency organised a colloquium to study the advisability of closing schools to combat a flu epidemic and to determine when it should occur and when it should stop. There was still no talk of widespread containment of the entire population.

The main contribution was made by Professor Neil Ferguson and Simon Cauchemez from Imperial College London. It compared statistical data on school closures in Hong Kong in 2003 and 2008, on the impact of the teachers’ strike in Israel in 2000, on the impact of zonal holidays in France from 1984 to 2006, on the closure of schools infected with influenza in France in 1957, and on the impact of Spanish influenza in some US cities and in Australia in 1918. And it pointed out the inequalities and injustices associated with school closures in the UK and the USA.

From that point on, the problem was turned upside down. Experts had observed that school closures did not have a significant impact on the final number of deaths, but only on the speed of the spread of the disease. Their task was to provide a solution to the closure of hospital beds that were not occupied on a day-to-day basis. Statistics were no longer at the service of the health of Europeans, but of an ideology, that of the liberal management of the state.

Bernard Kouchner, the French Minister of Foreign Affairs who organized this symposium, was the one who, when he was Minister of Health (1992-93, 1997-99, 2001-02), began the reorganization of the French hospital system no longer according to medical criteria, but according to a logic of profitability. In about fifteen years, France has thus been able to make substantial savings by closing 15% of its hospital beds; savings that are derisory compared to the current cost of containment.

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Professor Trofim Lyssenko claimed that, by applying Marxist dialectics to the natural sciences, he had demonstrated that petty-bourgeois genetic science was wrong. On this point, he said that just as the Party generated a new man, it was possible to modify the genetics of plants according to the organization of the fields. His nonsense became the official truth in the USSR during the Stalinist period. Science and ideology are always a bad combination.

Professor Neil Ferguson’s Charlatanism
Professor Ferguson is still the European reference for epidemic modelling.
- Yet it was he who, in 2001, convinced Prime Minister Tony Blair to have 6 million cattle slaughtered to stop the foot-and-mouth epidemic (a decision that cost 10 billion pounds and is now considered an aberration).
- In 2002, he calculated that mad cow disease would kill about 50,000 British people and another 150,000 when transmitted to sheep. There were actually 177.
- In 2005, he predicted that bird flu would kill 65,000 Britons. There were a total of 457.

Regardless, he became an adviser to the World Bank and many governments. It was he who sent a confidential note to French President Emmanuel Macron on March 12 announcing half a million deaths in France. In panic, the latter took the decision for generalized confinement that same evening. It was also Professor Ferguson who publicly announced on March 16 that, if nothing was done, there would be as many as 550,000 deaths in the United Kingdom and as many as 1.2 million in the United States, forcing the British government to review its policy.

Simon Cauchemez, who was his right-hand man in 2009, now heads the modelling unit at the Pasteur Institute. He is, of course, a member of the Scientific Committee of the Élysée, where he proposed generalized confinement. This committee was set up by the Director General of Health, Professor Jérôme Salomon, the spiritual son and former technical advisor to Bernard Kouchner.

The Ferguson team’s seizure of power was based on an intellectual swindle. Mathematical biology" (sic) could justify the liberal management of health services.

Unfortunately, while statistics can be used to evaluate the effects of this or that measure after the fact, they cannot predict the behaviour of a living organism, a virus. A virus seeks to spread, not to kill, which it unintentionally does when the species in which it nests does not yet have appropriate antibodies. No virus will eliminate any species, including humans, because if it killed them all, it would disappear with them.

Incidentally, extrapolating influenza measures to the Covid-19 epidemic is absurd: influenza affects many children, not Covid-19, which in demographic terms only kills elderly people or people with diabetes or high blood pressure. Children infected with Covid-19 have a very low viral load, it is not even known to this day whether they are contagious.

Professor Ferguson admitted on March 22 that he had carried out his calculations on the Covid-19 epidemic exclusively with a 13-year-old database of influenza epidemics.

In fact, one cannot help but notice the drift of this guru, who is no longer content to justify liberal policies applied to public health, but has come to advocate depriving entire peoples of their freedom. To hide the reality of this drift, Professor Fergusson’s supporters distract the public’s attention by proposing the use of surgical masks, which we have already explained are of no use in the face of the epidemic [1 (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208720.html)].

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Professor Didier Raoult’s results speak for themselves. Also, a communication campaign was orchestrated against him by the disciples of Professor Neil Ferguson exactly as Soviet geneticists were persecuted by Lyssenko’s
supporters.

The Polemic with Professor Didier Raoult
These explanations shed new light on the polemic that opposed the disciples of Professor Neil Ferguson to those of Professor Didier Raoult [2 (https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html)]. Contrary to what has been said, this is not a problem of methodology, but of finality.

Neil Ferguson is a charlatan caught up in his swindle, while Didier Raoult is a clinical doctor. The followers of the former need dead people to believe in their religion, those of the latter care for their patients.

The problem we are facing is not a scientific debate, but a war of repeated errors against the scientific approach. It is astounding to hear members of the Scientific Council of the Élysée reproach Professor Raoult for not conducting comparative studies with a control group. In times of crisis, should a responsible doctor fail to treat some of his patients and deliberately sacrifice them?


Thierry Meyssan
Translation - Roger Lagassé

References:
[1] “Panic and Political Absurdity in the Face of the Pandemic (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208720.html)” , by Thierry Meyssan , Translation Roger Lagassé , Voltaire Network , 7 April 2020.

[2] “Covid-19: propaganda and manipulation (https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html)” , by Thierry Meyssan , Translation Pete Kimberley , Voltaire Network , 21 March 2020.

[Rawhide68]

What happened here ?

As I was posting to my own post (the Swedish one that had no comment, while updating that with info from mail my own family, it was deleted? Wtf?

[kfm27917]

COVID-19 Umbrella Term to Operate a Fake Pandemic: Not 1 Disease, Not 1 Cause

The COVID-19 umbrella term
has been used in an absolutely unscientific, manipulative and deceptive way to justify this manufactured coronavirus crisis, which the evidence shows is a fake pandemic. The international lockdown which covers around 100 nations and at least 20% of the world right now is based upon the idea that there is a new distinct virus SARS-CoV2 which is spreading, infecting and causing the disease COVID-19. However, there are many key foundational questions which cannot be adequately answered. The most important of these is that the virus itself has never been isolated nor thoroughly proven to be causing the disease (or more accurately diseases) that people have! This is in addition to the obvious manipulation of the figures with false positives and other sleights of hand such as inflating the numbers by counting anyone who merely had the virus as “dead from” the virus. The coronavirus fails Koch’s postulates. The Emperor has no clothes – and all the power grabs and emergency decrees are based on lies. We are not looking at 1 virus, 1 cause and 1 disease; we are looking a cluster of diseases and a variety of causes, hidden by the COVID-19 umbrella term to fuel the fake pandemic narrative.

COVID-19 Coronavirus Fails Koch’s Postulates
German scientist Robert Koch (Heinrich Hermann Robert Koch, 1843-1910) made great contributions to the field of microbiology. He is considered to be one of the founders of the field of modern bacteriology. He identified the specific causative agents of TB (tuberculosis), cholera and anthrax. For his work on TB, he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1905 in Physiology or Medicine. Koch established 4 criteria to identify the causative agent of a particular disease. These criteria have become a gold standard for determining the existence of an infectious agent and for isolating and verifiying what is causing a disease. The criteria are a set of conditions known as Koch’s postulates. They are:

The microorganism must be identified in all individuals affected by the disease, but not in healthy individuals.
The microorganism can be isolated from the diseased individual and grown in culture.
When introduced into a healthy individual, the cultured microorganism must cause disease.
The microorganism must then be re-isolated from the experimental host, and found to be identical to the original microorganism.
Firstly, the coronavirus SARS-CoV2 (allegedly causing the disease COVID-19) has not been shown to be present only in sick people and not in healthy ones. There are countless cases of people having this virus with mild, minor or zero symptoms. Recently Iceland tested a relatively large percentage of its population (around 5,000 people out of 364,000) and found that 0.86% (close to 1%) of Icelanders had the coronavirus. The symptoms? Little or none:

more at https://thefreedomarticles.com/covid-19-umbrella-term-fake-pandemic-not-1-disease-cause/

[Rawhide68]

Mail response from a retired well known Phd Doctor friend in my family (google translate)
"I think I recognize this colleague and think I met him at KI already in the eighties. However, do not be impressed by his clear and general statements about covid-19, which we do not yet have a complete grasp of epidemiologically or medically. If you can say with such certainty, you are simply misinformed or lack total humility for the complexity. His statements and rally turns against the National Board of Health are almost paranoid. I dare say that after having had some assignments for the National Board of Social Affairs a few years ago.

[Rawhide68]

Important News about Covid19 corona !

Listen to Dr. Judy Mikovits
"Covid19 is "SARS Covid2 + Xmrv's" (8:50)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF4zcVXyA8E

sF4zcVXyA8E

[Maia Gabrial]

Just found this video that explains exactly what a 'VIRUS' is. You are going to be surprised
(I hope) :becky:

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Amazing, huh?

[Tintin]

I'm a little mistrustful of official figures of any kind and tend not to put too much stock in them.

Much hinges on a correct diagnosis for Covid-19 presented in the figures. Given that this has been circulating for many months longer than recorded figures attest may even mean possible exhumations to determine the presence of this, for potentially hundreds if not thousands of fatalities over the winter months, with revised causes of death.

In the meantime I did a quick bit of simple math for the UK figures shared by the Government today - hoping I've got this fairly accurate. Here's what I tweeted earlier:



UK Covid-19 deaths = 20732 div by # of hospitals (1257) then = avg 460 deaths per day (# 45 days) since Mar 13th = 0.36 people per hospital per day. (Assuming a correct diagnosis.) [for Covid-19]

Are my sums right????? (It's late, I could have goofed.)

[Dorjezigzag]

The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

[Richard S.]

Death toll is lower than the FLU. (PERIOD)

CALIFORNIA DOCTOR DELIVERS CHILLING MESSAGE ABOUT COVID-19 FULL VIDEO

Full 4/22/2020 press conference in Bakersfield California with Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLp53rpJ2B7i/

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is no test for Wuhan virus specifically. The cases and deaths are over, not under, reported. The reason this is so is because everything is attributed to the virus right now. You could jump off a bridge and the cause of death would be the virus, no exaggeration.

Consider, if someone comes in with a simple case of the flu, develops complications, and dies. Will they test for influenza A or B specifically? Or will the symptoms determine the cause without testing? Put another way, do you think they have all the tests lined up and testing for everything? Or do they right now only test for Wuhan virus? And with a test that cannot test for that virus specifically?

[Gwin Ru]

Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing - Full Video
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/oGVRqleTzzMi/



https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/channel_images/pLaSaW5Qi1jT/m1dSsvzuu0e7HEdDZW2GAvmR_small.jpg (https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ramzpaul/) RAMZPAUL (https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ramzpaul/) ramzpaul (https://www.bitchute.com/profile/xGqTKdidDVZM/)

This is a video two California medical doctors (immunologists) who presented their data concerning COVID-19. Because their findings conflicted with the globalist narrative, YouTube censors banned it.

[ClearWater]

Dr Andrew Kaufman comments on the validity/invalidity of the methods used by those who have 'isolated the virus'.

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[DaveToo]

I'm a little mistrustful of official figures of any kind and tend not to put too much stock in them.

Much hinges on a correct diagnosis for Covid-19 presented in the figures. Given that this has been circulating for many months longer than recorded figures attest may even mean possible exhumations to determine the presence of this, for potentially hundreds if not thousands of fatalities over the winter months, with revised causes of death.

In the meantime I did a quick bit of simple math for the UK figures shared by the Government today - hoping I've got this fairly accurate. Here's what I tweeted earlier:



UK Covid-19 deaths = 20732 div by # of hospitals (1257) then = avg 460 deaths per day (# 45 days) since Mar 13th = 0.36 people per hospital per day. (Assuming a correct diagnosis.) [for Covid-19]

Are my sums right????? (It's late, I could have goofed.)

Your final number 0.36 people per hospital per day is correct if we assume that deaths are split evenly among all 1257 hospitals.

[DaveToo]

There is no test for Wuhan virus specifically. The cases and deaths are over, not under, reported. The reason this is so is because everything is attributed to the virus right now. You could jump off a bridge and the cause of death would be the virus, no exaggeration.

Consider, if someone comes in with a simple case of the flu, develops complications, and dies. Will they test for influenza A or B specifically? Or will the symptoms determine the cause without testing? Put another way, do you think they have all the tests lined up and testing for everything? Or do they right now only test for Wuhan virus? And with a test that cannot test for that virus specifically?

I just finished reading the official WHO testing protocols.
They don't even test a lot of the time!
If someone presents with symptoms and later dies, it's counted as Covid. No need for testing!
So yes, the numbers are greatly over-inflated.

[DaveToo]

The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

I haven't studied Europe yet, but this past week I did study the U.S. numbers.
I compared the overall fatalities in the U.S. for the last seven years, up until the middle of April 2020.
There is NO spike of any sort for the Covid-19 period!
Numbers are the same as usual.

So basically, they are taking deaths, and instead of labeling the cause of death as it should be, they are just putting them in another category (Covid-19). But the total deaths stay the same.

[Rawhide68]

Well said norman, you made me laughe ,hehhe, iI dont know any longer how to spell, who cares :D.
My posts doesnt track, sorry if you are confused

[Rawhide68]

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[Dorjezigzag]

The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

I haven't studied Europe yet, but this past week I did study the U.S. numbers.
I compared the overall fatalities in the U.S. for the last seven years, up until the middle of April 2020.
There is NO spike of any sort for the Covid-19 period!
Numbers are the same as usual.

So basically, they are taking deaths, and instead of labeling the cause of death as it should be, they are just putting them in another category (Covid-19). But the total deaths stay the same.

Federal data released this week shows that the number of deaths recorded in the U.S. this year is higher than normal, outpacing deaths attributed to COVID-19 in states that have been hit hardest by the virus.

The data provides the first look at death trends this year across the country and offers more evidence that the official tally of coronavirus deaths is low.

The phenomenon is pronounced in states with some of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks. From March 22 to April 11, New York saw 14,403 more deaths than the average of the previous six years, according to data maintained by the National Center for Health Statistics at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. New Jersey saw an additional 4,439 deaths and Michigan an additional 1,572.

The "excess deaths" surpassed COVID-19 fatalities in those states by a combined 4,563 people. Experts suspect that unconfirmed coronavirus cases could be responsible for some of those deaths, but it might also be related to a shift in other causes of death. For example, some doctors speculate people might be dying from illnesses from which they would normally recover because the pandemic has changed access to health care.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/29/far-greater-u-s-covid-19-death-toll-indicated-cdc-data/3048381001/

[shaberon]

Ignoring the cause, if most of us can agree that a dead body is what it is, then the numbers of these in "hard hit" areas is significant. For the 3/22-4/11, from the Times, the apparent ratios and unusual amounts of the dead, which do have a spike at least in "flu-like illnesses", explodes to:

New York City 325% 11,900
New Jersey 172% 5,200
New York (excluding N.Y.C.) 142% 4,200
Michigan 121% 2,000
Illinois 113% 1,400
Massachusetts 120% 1,200
Maryland 115% 700
Colorado 116% 600

Outside of these areas, averages are actually said to have dropped six per cent (https://www.law.com/texaslawyer/2020/04/17/total-u-s-death-rate-is-still-below-average-cdc-412-96700/?slreturn=20200401190728). Of course, there are fewer highway fatalities and so forth.

The CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm) does not put simple things like that in an easy to find place, but, they say:

In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more deaths than in 2017.

Hmm, well, if it's just 25,000, it's just a statistic no one pays any attention to.

According to the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html), over 120 days, there have been more than 17,000 excess deaths in New York City alone, 10,000 more in New York state and nearly 8,000 in New Jersey. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia and Massachusetts all suffered more than 2,000 excess deaths. It is a year's total of 66,000 and they say since January 2017, death rate has only ever spiked twice: beginning of 2018 (flu) and now.

West Virginia, which has reported just 40 coronavirus deaths, nevertheless has suffered 2,182 excess deaths so far this year, according to the new data.

It is rather strange that I can't get a solid number about death totals in a certain state in, say, April 2019, but there is a lot of chirping about what it means and how statistics and guesses work. I would think numbers of deaths are pretty easy to work with, but the information in the certificates is debatable anyway. So far we seem to be seeing that the removal of highway fatalities and air pollution is quite beneficial, but, I am sure we really all want to replace it as heavily and quickly as possible.

[onawah]

The Covid vaccine: simple facts staring us in the face
by Jon Rappoport
May 1, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/01/the-covid-vaccine-simple-facts-staring-us-in-the-face/

"I’ve written much about the extreme dangers of a COVID vaccine. Here I want to present simple basic facts, which apply to all vaccines and all recipients.

Public health agencies readily admit that people with weakened immune systems should not be vaccinated.

But the language they use is dodgy and incomplete. The CDC states: “A vaccine should not be administered when a contraindication is present; for example, MMR vaccine should not be administered to severely immunocompromised persons…Severely immunocompromised persons generally should not receive live vaccines…”

No word about killed-virus vaccines. No word about the dangers of vaccine components, such as aluminum and formaldehyde.

But there are more issues. According to conventional vaccine theory, the injection of a germ stimulates the immune system to mount a response—and this is an effective rehearsal, preparing the immune system to react quickly, later, when the real disease comes along.

But if the recipient of the vaccine has an immune system that is already impaired, how can the “experts” believe the rehearsal will go smoothly? The recipient’s antibody scouts would respond sluggishly. The immune killer cells would fail to carry out their mission of wiping out the germ-invaders in the vaccine.

To use a mechanical analogy, vaccinating people with compromised immune systems is like pumping more efficient fuel into a car to improve its performance, when in fact the car’s engine is already disabled.

Worse yet, vaccinating a person whose immune system is weak would overwhelm his body’s defenses with injected chemicals and germs, creating dire levels of illness. The rehearsal would be the real thing—and the body would take the punishment.

All right. Now imagine a few billion people receiving a new COVID vaccine. Do you seriously think doctors are going to spend time sorting out all these people, to discover whose immune systems are already weak, and shunting them off into the do-not-vaccinate category? Of course they won’t.

No mass vaccination campaign (for example, in Africa) has separated the weak from the strong—and none of those campaigns approached the numbers envisioned for the COVID vaccine.

In a COVID campaign, people are going to be dropping like flies. And when they do, public health authorities will employ the time-honored strategy of calling them “sudden deaths owing to COVID disease.”

Furthermore, I’m talking about a conventional vaccine. Two new technologies are in the COVID testing pipeline as we speak: DNA and RNA vaccines. They have never been released for public use. DNA technology is actually gene therapy. Genes are injected into the body, and they permanently alter the genetic makeup of the recipient in unknown ways. RNA vaccines would carry the danger of triggering autoimmune reactions, meaning the body basically goes to war against itself.

Pro-vaccine religionists are enthusiastic and militant about bringing a COVID vaccine into play, and they want to see it mandated. In their wet dream, a vaccinated person would receive an immunity certificate, enabling him to go back out into the world, from lockdown. The unvaccinated would face a more murky future.

In this sense, the entire “COVID pandemic” is an operation designed for the use of a vaccine. Politically, it is offered up as a forked road into favored status, or a shameful lower-class outlier category, resembling Church excommunication.

“Shun the unclean, the demons and the witches, the unvaccinated. Shun them in all ways. Only through the priests (the men in white coats) will you find rescue and salvation…”

The tactic is as old as the hills. Then and now, the people running it are the ones selling superstition."

TO READ ALL MY ARTICLES ON THE COVID LUNACY:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/category/covid/

[Rawhide68]

Thoughts from Max Igan in Australia.

"If someone would like to be a moderater on my page on facebook ? " (53:50)
DngY7zuMIMk

[Ratszinger]

Interesting report here from the CDC with a total number of deaths by COVID19 being listed as of yesterday @ 37,308 deaths. The news figures are interestingly about double this figure. CDC deaths (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Don't trust the stats because they are obviously manipulated.

It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

People are far too afraid to go to the hospital right now unless it is a life threatening episode. I bet I could go to the local hospital right now and there would be no one there.

Also, with no one on the roads there is less traffic deaths, and that is a biggy.

A telling stat would be one that shows deaths broken down according to the primary cause. That would show whether the stats are being manipulated. It would show the regular deaths expected by the major killers and the excess deaths related to covid. It would be impossible to refute. These partial stats mean nothing because they can hide the truth without directly lying.

More deaths than other years would mean that this covid thing is far more virulent than it is.

[silvanelf]

Don't trust the stats because they are obviously manipulated.

It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

You got everything backwards: if the facts contradict my preconceived opinion, then the facts must be wrong: "It is impossible..." Duh.

[greybeard]

Its a case of context
Like has to be compared to like and its too early to have an accurate comparison of this "epidemic" and previous years.
Medical opinion at least some of it, seems to indicate its no worse than a bad seasonal flu.

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Stats are not synonymous with facts but I am open to persuasion.

[Elainie]

Ignoring the cause, if most of us can agree that a dead body is what it is, then the numbers of these in "hard hit" areas is significant. For the 3/22-4/11, from the Times, the apparent ratios and unusual amounts of the dead, which do have a spike at least in "flu-like illnesses", explodes to:

New York City 325% 11,900
New Jersey 172% 5,200
New York (excluding N.Y.C.) 142% 4,200
Michigan 121% 2,000
Illinois 113% 1,400
Massachusetts 120% 1,200
Maryland 115% 700
Colorado 116% 600

Outside of these areas, averages are actually said to have dropped six per cent (https://www.law.com/texaslawyer/2020/04/17/total-u-s-death-rate-is-still-below-average-cdc-412-96700/?slreturn=20200401190728). Of course, there are fewer highway fatalities and so forth.

The CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm) does not put simple things like that in an easy to find place, but, they say:

In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more deaths than in 2017.

Hmm, well, if it's just 25,000, it's just a statistic no one pays any attention to.

According to the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html), over 120 days, there have been more than 17,000 excess deaths in New York City alone, 10,000 more in New York state and nearly 8,000 in New Jersey. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia and Massachusetts all suffered more than 2,000 excess deaths. It is a year's total of 66,000 and they say since January 2017, death rate has only ever spiked twice: beginning of 2018 (flu) and now.

West Virginia, which has reported just 40 coronavirus deaths, nevertheless has suffered 2,182 excess deaths so far this year, according to the new data.

It is rather strange that I can't get a solid number about death totals in a certain state in, say, April 2019, but there is a lot of chirping about what it means and how statistics and guesses work. I would think numbers of deaths are pretty easy to work with, but the information in the certificates is debatable anyway. So far we seem to be seeing that the removal of highway fatalities and air pollution is quite beneficial, but, I am sure we really all want to replace it as heavily and quickly as possible.

My daughter works in local ICU and hospice facilities, our deaths here in Colorado at least where we are located have been in long term care facilities of patients who were older etc. The local ICU has not had any hospitalizations due to covid in over 2 weeks. The facilities she works in have not had any covid, but before this was all publicized there was a spike in deaths in Nov/Dec and experts are now thinking these people had covid. The local CU epi here, Matt M says covid has been here locally since September although if one recalls my story about Great Dane breeder, he had it mid August.

[DaveToo]

My daughter works in local ICU and hospice facilities, our deaths here in Colorado at least where we are located have been in long term care facilities of patients who were older etc. The local ICU has not had any hospitalizations due to covid in over 2 weeks. The facilities she works in have not had any covid, but before this was all publicized there was a spike in deaths in Nov/Dec and experts are now thinking these people had covid. The local CU epi here, Matt M says covid has been here locally since September although if one recalls my story about Great Dane breeder, he had it mid August.

How would you account for that if you accept the germ/virus theory?

As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan

[Gwin Ru]

In this video Dr. Erickson puts it in a very striking way:
"... these "asymptomatic" cases have another name: they are HEALTHY people!"
In other words, the 'terrain' in their body doesn't allow germs of any kind to wreak havoc...




MK0shLq9x6c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0shLq9x6c&feature=emb_logo)

Del Bigtree – Dr. Erickson


https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJzJJh7kDTEV1L4nKXR_fk48GtafKxfhuTj8FQ=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q) The HighWire with Del Bigtree (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q)
119K subscribers

CENSORED DOC DOUBLES DOWN
Dr. Daniel Erickson, owner of seven CA urgent care facilities, was thrown into the spotlight after his press conference on the COVID 19 stirred up enough controversy to get censored by YouTube. Here’s Del’s follow-up interview and this doc’s message is clear: he is not backing down. #CensoredDocs (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23CensoredDocs)

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[Chester]

We've all been scammed (as I said in delicate words on February 26th) -

CDC revises their numbers for "erroneous coding" -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

As of April 25, 2020 - the US numbers were: IHME - 53,139 Johns Hopkins - 53,731 (at 10:30 PM Eastern Time)

CDC slashes their numbers to...

37,308

This "media projected" severity of this virus has been a massive scam on humanity. And we all (well, most of us), to varying degrees, fell for it.

[Elainie]

My daughter works in local ICU and hospice facilities, our deaths here in Colorado at least where we are located have been in long term care facilities of patients who were older etc. The local ICU has not had any hospitalizations due to covid in over 2 weeks. The facilities she works in have not had any covid, but before this was all publicized there was a spike in deaths in Nov/Dec and experts are now thinking these people had covid. The local CU epi here, Matt M says covid has been here locally since September although if one recalls my story about Great Dane breeder, he had it mid August.

How would you account for that if you accept the germ/virus theory?

As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan


The bioweapon I personally do not believe to be from Wuhan only, that daughter's GD breeder was hospitalized for it mid August (tested recently positive for antibodies).

My daughter took care of a 76 year old woman last night in a nursing home that had covid (she was in the hospital one night for observation due to her age). She has been recovered as of two weeks ago.

[Chester]

Coronavirus hype, the biggest political hoax in history

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Frankly, I was surprised by so many "veterans of conspiracy" as to their commentary along the way... that they couldn't see the hype and instead, fanned the flames of fear.

[Eric J (Viking)]

This video is interesting.... The chap speaking doesn't hold back...

Austrian government... And he's supposed to be right wing... Lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMseRgpj2Es

https://youtu.be/TMseRgpj2Es

[Eric J (Viking)]

Another here Italy....

https://fromrome.info/2020/04/25/italian-senator-sgarbi-denounces-the-statistical-fraud-on-covid-19/



Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.

He says false statistics are being use to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship. He makes his statements on the vigil of April, 25, which celebrates the liberation of Italy by the Allied powers in World War II.

Viking

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you viking for those links. It seems our friends in Europe have greater restrictions on personal freedom, but a much more honest debate happening in the political arena.

[Dorjezigzag]

We've all been scammed (as I said in delicate words on February 26th) -

CDC revises their numbers for "erroneous coding" -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

As of April 25, 2020 - the US numbers were: IHME - 53,139 Johns Hopkins - 53,731 (at 10:30 PM Eastern Time)

CDC slashes their numbers to...

37,308

This "media projected" severity of this virus has been a massive scam on humanity. And we all (well, most of us), to varying degrees, fell for it.

No, The CDC Did Not Revise Down The Number Of COVID-19 Deaths
Several tweets went viral that falsely claimed the CDC had drastically revised down the number of deaths in the US from the coronavirus — but it seems some people didn't read to the end of the page.

As of Saturday, the CDC says more than 64,000 people have died in the US, but the false tweets accused them of quietly cutting that figure in half.

The most prominent tweet came from right-wing media personality Tim Young.

Young linked to a provisional count of COVID-19 deaths from the National Vital Statistics System, an inter-governmental system which tracks births and deaths in the US and which on Friday night put the figure close to 37,000.


But the table Young links to clearly states that data only covers the period from Feb. 1 to April 25.

Moreover, the National Vital Statistics System website makes clear that it has a significant lag in counting deaths because it relies on tabulating official death certificates it receives.



"It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated," reads a prominent disclaimer above the data. "Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods."

"Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes," reads another footnote.

In comparison, the CDC’s actual most up-to-date count of COVID-19 deaths is on a separate site and shows more than 64,000 people have died in the US.

As the CDC states, that tally is updated daily based on data received from state health bodies: "Case notifications were received by CDC from U.S. public health jurisdictions and the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS)."

Neither that CDC figure, nor the National Vital Statistics System page, have been revised down.

In its count, the CDC also includes cases where coronavirus was the probable cause of death, not simply the confirmed cause of death. As the CDC states, "A probable case or death is defined by one of the following: Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/coronavirus-death-toll-cdc-misinformation

[shaberon]

As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan

Most new tests (California, New York, and France) indicate this was widespread before it was discovered, and the Chinese variety is genetically younger. So those two theories are "least likely" of all possibilities. Of course, the best we can do here is the "on the ground" observations from Colorado or anywhere, which can only surmise that it had already been well at work.

Suing China over this appears, on the face of it, insane. Usually, when one attempts to play such a strong blame game, it is a cover-up. Certainly, the closest research towards this kind of virus was a joint project between China and UNC; Fort Detrick may have been close. So if there is a lab history to it, then it probably has at least some domestic assistance.

I don't know, but it seems to me that Wuhan was only the "discovery point", and is highly unlikely to be the ultimate origin.

[DaveToo]

As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan

Most new tests (California, New York, and France) indicate this was widespread before it was discovered, and the Chinese variety is genetically younger. So those two theories are "least likely" of all possibilities. Of course, the best we can do here is the "on the ground" observations from Colorado or anywhere, which can only surmise that it had already been well at work.

Suing China over this appears, on the face of it, insane. Usually, when one attempts to play such a strong blame game, it is a cover-up. Certainly, the closest research towards this kind of virus was a joint project between China and UNC; Fort Detrick may have been close. So if there is a lab history to it, then it probably has at least some domestic assistance.

I don't know, but it seems to me that Wuhan was only the "discovery point", and is highly unlikely to be the ultimate origin.

I'm willing to buy into any theory that makes sense.

Could you try to 'make sense' of your theory?

Let's look at this from the planned point of view.
So you tell the public the virus originated at a wet market in Wuhan...
But you actually release it in a variety of locations: California, New York, and France
Reasons for all of this, so that it makes sense?

[shaberon]

It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

A telling stat would be one that shows deaths broken down according to the primary cause. That would show whether the stats are being manipulated. It would show the regular deaths expected by the major killers and the excess deaths related to covid. It would be impossible to refute. These partial stats mean nothing because they can hide the truth without directly lying.

More deaths than other years would mean that this covid thing is far more virulent than it is.


Why would it be impossible? We can have death spikes or gluts any time.

The CDC does break down deaths by cause. If we cannot figure out whether the flu-like ones are influenza or coronavirus, then, you just get a debatable sphere of pulmonary death. Doesn't change the definite count of corpses.

West Virginia: 40 confirmed covid deaths, but, well over 2,000 more than their seasonal average.

If we say that covid numbers are "inflated", maybe there were only 20, or even if we assume West Virginia was too indifferent to even try to identify it, and it killed many, many more, like 80, that is still a big gap to cover, in terms of an unusual amount of death in a small area in a short period of time.

I wouldn't trust a death certificate to begin with, for any kind of explanation, but it is believable for the body count. However you slice it, these are higher than average in badly-affected areas, and somewhat below, in others, except whatever happened to West Virginia.

I don't really like statistical averages, like giving me mortality per 100,000 in an area where there are only half that many people. Everything is very localized. I think the real stories from specific places will tell us a lot more than mathematical modeling.

[Elainie]

A man here with stage 4 lung cancer in a nursing home my daughter works at died, he DID NOT have covid, YET what do you think his cause of death was labeled? Yes, you guessed it covid. My daughter called me earlier to tell me, one of the reasons she went back to work in healthcare was to see it from the inside as an insider.

[shaberon]

I'm willing to buy into any theory that makes sense.

Could you try to 'make sense' of your theory?

Let's look at this from the planned point of view.
So you tell the public the virus originated at a wet market in Wuhan...
But you actually release it in a variety of locations: California, New York, and France
Reasons for all of this, so that it makes sense?

Me too, and yes, it was my theory or suspicion at first, which has only been confirmed by everything, viz.:

Massachusetts sewage test. Showed the presence was on orders of magnitude beyond the previous detections--a few hundred known cases at the time vanished in the detection of levels that indicate something more than 50,000.

Stanford, Cali: came up on only a "small percentage", but, given the numbers, again would be something like 50,000 people.

France, Pasteur institute: same findings, plus it is neither from China nor Italy.

I know nothing of a "planned release", that would be insane, on the part of any faction. I suppose it could be, or a lab-made accident, but so far I would say the "planning" is all in the story. The role of planned stories is to disconnect from objective reality and replace it with false views.

The plan is, tell the public it started in Wuhan. Tell the public it started in Wuhan. Tell the public it started in Wuhan.

Was there a contingency plan for an epidemic, yes...it just didn't have much to do with medical supplies, which are being stolen.

Overall, since there appears to be a long-running plan to jettison the U. S. when it is no longer useful, I think we are there. It has reached the point of looking like a violent idiot to almost everyone else in the world, not any kind of leader or someone you even want around, and its international arm or petro-dollar has taken an incredible beating, which means it is no longer relevant (at least for the long-term future). People used to speculate that Trump came to manage the disassembly of the country; on purpose or not, he may have to do it.

Like vultures, what is happening was...waiting around to happen, and this disease is just the trigger or opportunity, whether it is a natural or man-made cause.

If we don't know the origin, we do more or less know the reaction timeline:

November 2019--U. S. intel shared with NATO and Israel about likelihood of outbreak. Virus not identified yet, so it should have been impossible to say it was new.

Months of nothing except senators and ceo's dumping their business concerns while the public message is "nothing".

March 2020--emergency from out of nowhere followed by outrageous money going mostly to rich republicans and the never-before loading of the Fed with toxic assets and so forth.

April 2020: get back to work, meat packers and Mexicans. Don't, but do.

This picture--to me at least--looks more like someone intentionally pulling the plug on the country. What the virus "did"--in terms of killing the workforce, or making people too sick to work for extended periods of time--is marginal at best. Everything appears to be maintenance of oligarchy, nothing new.