Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends,

This post is simply to start this new thread. Please see my detailed explanation here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109753-The-Wuhan-Coronavirus-Covid-19-the-Honey-Badger-virus&p=1348228&viewfull=1#post1348228).

As the title suggests, this thread is for anyone to discuss their views about their distrust of whether this virus even exists at all, or that this is really just the flu.

There are three other new threads to discuss other specific angles and aspects of the current situation.


Covid19: Global reports, news and updates (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates)



Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110506-Covid19-Cui-Bono-Is-there-an-agenda)
(this includes media hype, proven media falsehoods, etc etc)



Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the mainstream science about the cause of the sickness) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110507-Covid19-Don-t-trust-the-statistics--or-the-mainstream-science-about-the-cause-of-the-sickness-)
(this includes speculation about the role of 5G and other factors)


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[provolon]

vjqsmZfBw8U

An alien says the same, there is no virus

[Ratszinger]

On the cruise ship 80% of the people exposed with every potential to come down with this virus never did come down with it. The contagion never exceeded 20% of the pop. of the ship. 80% were apparently naturally immune to it. Of the 20% affected by the contagion and even in Hubei province (ground zero) this contagion never exceeded 3% after their order of lock down for all residents! This worked so well it was initiated here based on fear based impulse, mostly driven by the leftist need to attack Trump and their known history of never letting a good crisis go to waste. They hopped right on to use it to once more attack a seated prez and now are attempting to make a new committee designed solely to tie up any seated prez they dislike with subpoena after subpoena just to keep them from their job. This way every failure can be tied to the president magnified by the complicit media players and talking heads.

A not so dire outlook (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-nobel-prize-winner-predicts-210243895.html)

[Satori]

vjqsmZfBw8U

An alien says the same, there is no virus

You've got to be kidding. We are being asked to take seriously statements by a person who claims to be in contact with aliens, and believe her about what the aliens are telling her regarding the existence, or not, of a “virus”... That's going way too far in my book.

[provolon]

Bill should I remove the post then?

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[Bill Ryan]

Bill should I remove the post then?Well, it's entirely up to you! You posted it in the right thread.

But do see this earlier thread, where the "Taygetans" are clearly shown to be a hoax.


[HOAX] Taygeta - Pleiadian - Cosmic Agency - Communications from low orbit (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109805-HOAX-Taygeta-Pleiadian-Cosmic-Agency-Communications-from-low-orbit)

To add to that, in earlier videos about the virus, The "Taygetans" — clearly a human communicating with Gosia on a human chat app, and why Gosia doesn't suspect this is beyond my understanding — referred continually to "the virus's DNA".

But the virus doesn't have any DNA. It's an RNA virus. The Taygetans' knowledge of microbiology doesn't seem to be much good. :)

I truly don't want to disrespect you at all. I'd not even intended to post on this thread. But I'm just answering your question (for which I do thank you :flower: ).

[Satori]

Don’t remove it on my account. My only point is that it is not a reliable source of information upon which any of us should draw conclusions. In contrast to what you posted on post #5.

[provolon]

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[shaberon]

If we can find significant amounts of immunity or mild symptoms, then, regardless of what the virus is, the disease, to some extent, does not exist. To the extent that it does, statistically, there is very little danger from it. So those premises are both true, but, I am in no position to say there is no novel Coronavirus.

[Phoenix]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

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I want retribution for myself, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.:sun:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I've listened to Icke a lot in recent months, and read him a lot too. My conclusion - as far as my awareness goes - is that his information is 50% genius, 50% gibberish.

[Luke Holiday]

Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

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I want retribution for myself, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.:sun:

Hello Phoenix,

Thank you for the link. Nobody lays it down quite like Mr. Icke :). I will always have a lot of time for what he has to say!!

I think people who are willing to fact check the things they do not agree with would be very surprised at what they find.

Phoenix, I respectfully disagree with the statement ... is a 100% hoax. but I can relate to your enthusiasm!!!

I believe Mr Icke is making a nearly bulletproof case that it is a hoax in the following ways:


1. Testing for the Virus is severely flawed at best, ripe with false positives and is being used to manipulate the publics perception to serve a very nefarious agenda that has been planned for a very long time.

The plan includes the rollout of 5 G which is necessary to create the smart citied, everything internet connected, medically mandated, cashless, ultra controlled world. ( I believe I heard him say that the covid symptom complex is real and the effects appear to mild for the vast majority of the population)

I think the question has to be: what are going to do about it ??????

Here is my short list of things we can do:

1. Participate in Group/personal targeted prayer/meditations focused on creating the world we desire to live in.

2. Improve ones Mind, Body, Spirit system to the utmost degree that one is capable of.

3. Resist any vaccination until: A. they are proven to safe/effective. B.The system providing the treatment has proven themselves worthy of your/our trust.

4. Formation of communication groups within one's sphere of influence designed to seminate truth, help and guidance.


PS I would enthusiastically grant your retribution - but I have agreed with the contrarian viewpoint all along :)



Blessings Luke

[OurFreeSociety]

vjqsmZfBw8U

An alien says the same, there is no virus

You've got to be kidding. We are being asked to take seriously statements by a person who claims to be in contact with aliens, and believe her about what the aliens are telling her regarding the existence, or not, of a “virus”... That's going way too far in my book.

I didn't watch the video as I don't have time right now, but recently I've been hearing that the evils really aren't these families, they are actualy the aliens controlling the families.

Once I heard that 3 times, I started to investigate & then got stopped b/c of CV.

Don't discout what they can do, I mistakenly always believed they were more intelligent and kinder than us & although the first part is probably right, the second part doesn't appear to be. Although, there are different species & supposedly some are nice, but can't help us due to our "free will" clause which really irks me.

Not that I don't agree with free will, but why should my life be ruined b/c of ohers who are evil???


A2k7t0kcLIU



Icke is on London Real again saying the entire thing is COMPLETELY A HOAX. 100%

Live NOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XlrQMOvW0

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I want retribution for myself, Satori and the others in the Contrairians thread who've been saying this for WEEKS.:sun:

Hello Phoenix,

Thank you for the link. Nobody lays it down quite like Mr. Icke :). I will always have a lot of time for what he has to say!!

I think people who are willing to fact check the things they do not agree with would be very surprised at what they find.

Phoenix, I respectfully disagree with the statement ... is a 100% hoax. but I can relate to your enthusiasm!!!

I believe Mr Icke is making a nearly bulletproof case that it is a hoax in the following ways:


1. Testing for the Virus is severely flawed at best, ripe with false positives and is being used to manipulate the publics perception to serve a very nefarious agenda that has been planned for a very long time.

The plan includes the rollout of 5 G which is necessary to create the smart citied, everything internet connected, medically mandated, cashless, ultra controlled world. ( I believe I heard him say that the covid symptom complex is real and the effects appear to mild for the vast majority of the population)

I think the question has to be: what are going to do about it ??????

Here is my short list of things we can do:

1. Participate in Group/personal targeted prayer/meditations focused on creating the world we desire to live in.

2. Improve ones Mind, Body, Spirit system to the utmost degree that one is capable of.

3. Resist any vaccination until: A. they are proven to safe/effective. B.The system providing the treatment has proven themselves worthy of your/our trust.

4. Formation of communication groups within one's sphere of influence designed to seminate truth, help and guidance.


PS I would enthusiastically grant your retribution - but I have agreed with the contrarian viewpoint all along :)



Blessings Luke

Luke, there's no such thing as a safe vaccine. Maybe you were being facitious :)

In fact, I just watched this video (https://youtu.be/dw6J00JdpkM) the other day so I could add MORE evidence to the fact that the criminal gov't & pharma mafia have always been harming & killing people knowingly - https://youtu.be/dw6J00JdpkM

I've never resonated with Icke, & back when I started watching a video I never finished & forgot to save, one person said he's not all that ultruistic. I saw the video a long time ago & I'm pretty sure it wasn't a popular channel, but the guy seemed to know something.

Saying that, it's the info that matters to me, but my biggest complaint is that he never gives us any links to what he's reading.

Twice now I've gone to go look for what he's read & I couldn't find it. The first time was way back when I first became a truther & he was talking about Agenda 21.

When I asked in the comment section where there's' TONS of comments, his subs didn't respond back to me. And the other day on another video someone did thank gawd, as I wasted 15 mins. searching & got nowhere.

When you are talking about such impotant topics, it's your duty to cite links/evidence.

Just saying.

I feel sorry for him though, his hands look like they are in a lot of pain. :(

[graciousb]

If we can find significant amounts of immunity or mild symptoms, then, regardless of what the virus is, the disease, to some extent, does not exist. To the extent that it does, statistically, there is very little danger from it. So those premises are both true, but, I am in no position to say there is no novel Coronavirus.

Wow thank you, a refreshingly balanced perspective.

[TomKat]

Dr Shiva talks about the invalidity of the Covid-19 pandemic and the purpose for it. Excellent interview:

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[AutumnW]

Don't agree with the above guy's science but do agree that healthy people should return to work as soon as they can and after they mask up.


Cytokine storms are the product of an upgraded immune system, not a suppressed immune system.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I appreciate the first hand accounts from people with the virus.
Although I generally agree with David Icke, in this case I think he is wrong.
There IS a virus. The symptoms are similar, following a pattern that seems to indicate day 10 is critical (Boris Johnson is confirming this). Also, the continuous exposure by health care professionals results in higher rates of young, relatively healthy people falling ill- with identical symptoms. This is consistent with an infectious agent. There are doubtless other agendas and deceptions at work, but I think the idea that there is no virus is an erroneous conclusion. Thank you again to those sharing personal accounts or information from people they know and trust.

[syrwong]

Whether David Icke is wrong that the virus does not exist is unimportant. It is his dire prediction for the future of mankind that is important. His prediction is only based on the fear engendered from the covid19, real virus or not. It is the great fear which leads to all destroying lockdowns that will realize the agendas of TPTB. This might be the pivotal event, and I am surprised at how easy it is for our existing world order to be destroyed, without even the need to start a war (they may add wars to hasten it though.)

[OurFreeSociety]

https://youtu.be/4WbUGi4ZXm8

I'm back to thinking this really is 5G as someone said that Italy was the first to get 5G in EU.

[Phoenix]

so having 35 different threads about cronyvirus is better than 3? what a joke

[Phoenix]

woah.... look at the way this jewish guy explains the mission of the jews in the world... doesnt it look familiar to something we've seen people explain covid!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MthcrWzBmyM

[TomKat]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

[Zionbrion]

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines
Your first statement if followed will lead to a second wave of infected once lock downs end, thus making your second statement more likely to become mandatory.

I think we need to normalize masks for the time being, along with nutrition like Zinc Vitamin D and C, along with widely available anti-body test, this can prevent a second outbreak.

If we get a second or third outbreak it plays right into the hands of those who want a totalitarian state.

I didn’t watch the 2 hour video, what brought you to the conclusion to not wear a mask?

[TomKat]

I didn’t watch the 2 hour video, what brought you to the conclusion to not wear a mask?

She says the virus is not new, is spread by vaccines since 2015. People who got flu shots in the last 5 years already have it, and wearing a mask re-infects that person. She debunks all the conventional disinfo put out about the virus by mainstream sources. It cannot live outside the body longer than an hour. It cannot have come from bats or snakes, they are too dissimilar to humans. Species-jumping viruses have to be TAUGHT to attack human cells, something she did in her job for decades. Her work was mailed to Wuhan and elsewhere by regular mail by Fauci. It is not spread by breath. Just listen to the first 45 minutes of the video.

[spade]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

This is absolutely a must watch from a complete insider!!!! Thanks for this, and please watch before it is disappeared. Bump bump bump. A lot of solutions and deep deep deep insight. Astounding interview. Thank you so much for finding this!!!!

[silvanelf]

About Judy Mikovits:

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

That's a contrarian line of thinking: "She disagrees with the scientific consensus, therefore she must be right."

This kind of thinking is quite common here on Avalon.

[spade]

About Judy Mikovits:

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

That's a contrarian line of thinking: "She disagrees with the scientific consensus, therefore she must be right."

This kind of thinking is quite common here on Avalon.

She has all the credibilty to back her up - you dont like her line of thinking you can go back to gobbling up what Fauci is spewing

[Bill Ryan]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccinesI don't have time to listen to most two hour videos — truly. But I'm interested. Can you kindly summarize?

"Most of what I've heard about Covid-19" includes (but is not limited to!)


Listening to Alex Jones
Listening to Mike Adams
Listening to David Icke
Listening to Dr Chris Martenson
Listening to Dr Roger Seheult
Listening to Dr Francis Boyle
Listening to Dr Shiva Ayyadurai
Listening to Dr Anthony Fauci (not recommended!)
It's a bioweapon
It was accidentally released
It was deliberately released
It came form China
It came from the US
It came from the seafood market
The virus doesn't exist at all
It'll come back in a second wave later in the year
We'll all be immune pretty soon, when herd immunity is reached
It's airborne
It's not airborne
It's only a collection of 5G symptoms, nothing more
(...and much, much, much else).

So "thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19" may not be all that helpful!

[TomKat]

About Judy Mikovits:

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

That's a contrarian line of thinking: "She disagrees with the scientific consensus, therefore she must be right."

This kind of thinking is quite common here on Avalon.

We don't come here for the official story. To paraphrase David Bowie, I'm immune to your consultations. :-)

[araucaria]

Listening to Alex Jones
Listening to Mike Adams
Listening to David Icke
Listening to Dr Chris Martenson
Listening to Dr Roger Seheult
Listening to Dr Francis Boyle
Listening to Dr Shiva Ayyadurai
Listening to Dr Anthony Fauci (not recommended!)
It's a bioweapon
It was accidentally released
It was deliberately released
It came form China
It came from the US
It came from the seafood market
The virus doesn't exist at all
It'll come back in a second wave later in the year
We'll all be immune pretty soon, when herd immunity is reached
It's airborne
It's not airborne
It's only a collection of 5G symptoms, nothing more
(...and much, much, much else).


So "thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19" may not be all that helpful!


If it means "none of the above" it may be exactly wrong. I've said it before, eg about JFK, but I rather think we are in the opposite situation (cf "Murder on the Orient Express"): all of the above. We are in an age when having discovered probability waves, we find that they simply refuse to collapse.


It is interesting how, every time we make a new discovery, it comes just at the right time (synchronistically) for immediate consumption. For example, a thousands-year-old cycle, and boom, a major crisis point is due next year or next decade.

[Elainie]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

This is absolutely a must watch from a complete insider!!!! Thanks for this, and please watch before it is disappeared. Bump bump bump. A lot of solutions and deep deep deep insight. Astounding interview. Thank you so much for finding this!!!!


Yes! Sent this to my friends the other day as a must listen to.

[waves]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

This is absolutely a must watch from a complete insider!!!! Thanks for this, and please watch before it is disappeared. Bump bump bump. A lot of solutions and deep deep deep insight. Astounding interview. Thank you so much for finding this!!!!

Yes! Sent this to my friends the other day as a must listen to.

Bill, you can throw out your list of conflicting opinions. THIS IS THE ONE VIDEO TO JUDGE EVERYONE ELSE'S ANYTHING BY SO FAR UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

Please do yourself and this forum a big favor and listen to these 2 hours 5x until you understand.

Specific. Exact. Medically precise. Unexaggerated. Unmischaracterized. NO guessing. NO opinion. NO conjecture. No false fear.

Pure science backed with historical correlations from the most SPECIFICALLY VIRUS EXPERIENCED clearminded doctor LONG on the insider front lines we have yet had.

EVERYONE - COPY THIS for future reference before it disappears.

Thank you beyond words Tomkat for this find. Thank you beyond words Judy Mikovitz for your incredible level of courage and integrity.



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[norman]

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

I don't have time to listen to most two hour videos — truly. But I'm interested. Can you kindly summarize?



So far, she's saying the virus is already in people from vaccinations, it's not being spread via person to person transfer

She's a career virologist PhD (retired, I think ).

Hence "no masks" " no vaccines".

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

I don't have time to listen to most two hour videos — truly. But I'm interested. Can you kindly summarize?



So far, she's saying the virus is already in people from vaccinations, it's not being spread via person to person transfer

She's a career virologist PhD (retired, I think ).

Hence "no masks" " no vaccines".

I've started to listen, but that's not a good recommendation! :) I absolutely totally do NOT believe this is "already in people from vaccinations".

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.

And vaccinated with what?? Regular flu (which has commonly been vaccinated) is a different virus. It's not a coronavirus at all.

And there have been very few vaccinations for coronaviruses, as best I know. (Only MERS.) There never was a vaccine for SARS, and there's never been one for the common cold (because it mutates too quickly).

Edit to add:

Oh, I see. :) She's NOT saying "it's already in people from vaccinations". Nothing like that. She's simply saying that after a flu shot, statistically one is more likely to get a coronavirus infection. (That could well be true, of course.)

[TomKat]

She's a career virologist PhD (retired, I think ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

[norman]

I think you've about got that worked out Bill, I agree

I see in that wiki she was FIRED ! . . .

I think I've probably heard enough.

[TomKat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

I don't have time to listen to most two hour videos — truly. But I'm interested. Can you kindly summarize?



So far, she's saying the virus is already in people from vaccinations, it's not being spread via person to person transfer

She's a career virologist PhD (retired, I think ).

Hence "no masks" " no vaccines".

I've started to listen, but that's not a good recommendation! :) I absolutely totally do NOT believe this is "already in people from vaccinations".

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.

And vaccinated with what?? Regular flu (which has commonly been vaccinated) is a different virus. It's not a coronavirus at all.

And there have been very few vaccinations for coronaviruses, as best I know. (Only MERS.) There never was a vaccine for SARS, and there's never been one for the common cold (because it mutates too quickly).

Bill, I think you need to study up on how easy it is to test positive for covid-19. If you have antibodies for a coronavirus, called exosomes, you have tested positive for covid-19. A corona virus is the common cold among other flues. Dr. Judy's explanation explains why people, myself included, have been getting this serious flu for years.

[waves]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? Why isn't it impossible to believe an 'Amazon tribesperson' became infected because 1. there is no valid test, 2. it's irresponsible to believe any thing unverifiable by historically MSM propagandist garbage loaded Guardian 3. because you keep repeating this with incredulity as if implying some backwoods guy who never visited modern civilization caught it in the middle of nowhere thru the air...but even the article you are citing says he went BACK to the tribe with it: Authorities say the boy – who is reported to have travelled back into the Yanomami reserve last month after classes at his school were suspended.

If we just consider the so called 'test' - do you yet have a clear understanding of Koch's Postulates, Bill? If so, on what basis do you feel a test for CV19 can dismiss the Kochs Postulates requirement of proof of 'infection'?

Please give us the credible reasons to believe this Amazon story.

Even you stood tall against the psychological damage being done by the snake oil factor of Q for it being foundationally invisible and totally unverifiable.

The actual properties of this 'virus' and credibility of the 'test' for it is so far are just as invisible and totally unverifiable and the damage being done to the world under the scapegoats of this invisible virus and test is apocalyptic.


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[Bill Ryan]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? I was simply making the point about vaccinations. It was an obvious example. There'd be many, many others.

But for verifiable detail, we can go closer to home than the Amazon. :)

Let's ask these folks we all know, from Avalon members who may have Covid-19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19), if or when they last had any kind of vaccination.


bearcow
Delight
Elainie
Gracy May
norman
Tam
thepainterdoug
(and maybe even me: I've not had a vaccination for 32 years, and that was for Yellow Fever.)

...and also let's ask the same question to everyone who had something resembling Covid-19 at the end of last year, posting on Did anyone seem to catch Covid-19 in October—December last year? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110345-Did-anyone-seem-to-catch-Covid-19-in-October--December-last-year), i.e.


abmqa
ErtheVessel
Ken
Mari
PurpleLama
samildamach
Sérénité
TargeT
vizon

Others have posted as well, citing not themselves but friends or family members they knew well.

The notion that Covid-19 somehow came from earlier vaccinations just doesn't hold water. Of course, vaccinations often weaken the immune system (like 5G, pre-existing conditions, poor diet, medical drugs, smoking, pollution, etc etc etc), and therefore can definitely be a factor. But that's a different thing.

[TomKat]

PLEASE post good summaries.

If I'd written a summary of the video, people would think they knew what was in the video and argue against my summary, citing mainstream disinformation. I'm not the virologist, Dr. Judy is. I listened to the whole thing, but I think you only have to listen to the first 30 minutes to be convinced she knows what she's talking about and why she's saying what she's saying.

[Elainie]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? Why isn't it impossible to believe an 'Amazon tribesperson' became infected because 1. there is no valid test, 2. it's irresponsible to believe any thing unverifiable by historically MSM propagandist garbage loaded Guardian 3. because you keep repeating this with incredulity as if implying some backwoods guy who never visited modern civilization caught it in the middle of nowhere thru the air...but even the article you are citing says he went BACK to the tribe with it: Authorities say the boy – who is reported to have travelled back into the Yanomami reserve last month after classes at his school were suspended.

If we just consider the so called 'test' - do you yet have a clear understanding of Koch's Postulates, Bill? If so, on what basis do you feel a test for CV19 can dismiss the Kochs Postulates requirement of proof of 'infection'?

Please give us the credible reasons to believe this Amazon story.

Even you stood tall against the psychological damage being done by the snake oil factor of Q for it being foundationally invisible and totally unverifiable.

The actual properties of this 'virus' and credibility of the 'test' for it is so far are just as invisible and totally unverifiable and the damage being done to the world under the scapegoats of this invisible virus and test is apocalyptic.


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Me strongly thinks the Amazon story is pure fiction, designed to inflict more fear so everyone and their mother hops on board with Gate's ID vaccine.

[Elainie]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? I was simply making the point about vaccinations. It was an obvious example. There'd be many, many others.

But for verifiable detail, we can go closer to home than the Amazon. :)

Let's ask these folks we all know, from Avalon members who may have Covid-19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19), if or when they last had any kind of vaccination.


bearcow
Delight
Elainie
Gracy May
norman
Tam
thepainterdoug
(and maybe even me: I've not had a vaccination for 32 years, and that was for Yellow Fever.)

...and also let's ask the same question to everyone who had something resembling Covid-19 at the end of last year, posting on Did anyone seem to catch Covid-19 in October—December last year? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110345-Did-anyone-seem-to-catch-Covid-19-in-October--December-last-year), i.e.


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Others have posted as well, citing not themselves but friends or family members they knew well.

The notion that Covid-19 somehow came from earlier vaccinations just doesn't hold water. Of course, vaccinations often weaken the immune system (like 5G, pre-existing conditions, poor diet, medical drugs, smoking, pollution, etc etc etc), and therefore can definitely be a factor. But that's a different thing.


No I have not had a shot since I was around 8 years old. Nor have my kids ever had any vaccines of any kind. I do find it strange what Dr Judy says about it is already in the vaccines, rather I think having vaccines just makes your immune system weaker etc. We go for antibody testing on Tuesday and will find out about 48 hours later our status.

[TomKat]

No I have not had a shot since I was around 8 years old. Nor have my kids ever had any vaccines of any kind. I do find it strange what Dr Judy says about it is already in the vaccines, rather I think having vaccines just makes your immune system weaker etc. We go for antibody testing on Tuesday and will find out about 48 hours later our status.

Dr. Judy doesn't say you can only get bat flu from vaccinations. She says that's how it has to have been introduced into the population. Once it's in the population, it can spread the way any virus does. I wish people would stop arguing based on rumours of what she said and just watch the video.

[Elainie]

No I have not had a shot since I was around 8 years old. Nor have my kids ever had any vaccines of any kind. I do find it strange what Dr Judy says about it is already in the vaccines, rather I think having vaccines just makes your immune system weaker etc. We go for antibody testing on Tuesday and will find out about 48 hours later our status.

Dr. Judy doesn't say you can only get bat flu from vaccinations. She says that's how it has to have been introduced into the population. Once it's in the population, it can spread the way any virus does. I wish people would stop arguing based on rumours of what she said and just watch the video.

I did watch it and I have watched a few others with her, they are long and her point still seems a bit odd BUT weren't there rumors of people in Wuhan and Italy getting some vaccines in the fall? I know her forte is rna retrovirus's and I do agree these things lay dormant and vaccines IMO always cause damage (ala Dr Andrew Mouldon, you can see it in the face).

[spade]

I think you've about got that worked out Bill, I agree

I see in that wiki she was FIRED ! . . .

I think I've probably heard enough.

At your own peril, she was fired by Fauci who covered up her team’s findings which would devastate the vaccine industry

[TomKat]

I think you've about got that worked out Bill, I agree

I see in that wiki she was FIRED ! . . .

I think I've probably heard enough.

At your own peril, she was fired by Fauci who covered up her team’s findings which would devastate the vaccine industry

You mean the government doesn't tell us the truth? I suppose next you're going to say Santa Claus isn't real? ... Easter Bunny? Not Easter Bunny! It's Easter for God's sake!

[Journeyon]

If anyone follows Sarah Westall she interviewed Judy Mikovits last week. Sarah’s YouTube channel was taken down the next day.

[norman]

If anyone follows Sarah Westall she interviewed Judy Mikovits last week. Sarah’s YouTube channel was taken down the next day.

I looks to me like that fight isn't about covid19. It's a power fight. The Gates ( and Dr Fauci ) campaign has got to silence or otherwise deal with voices that will give it a hard time.

Judy is such a voice, obviously.

Her monotone verbal rampage didn't sound much like full spectrum reason to me tho'.

I don't know how Bill got the impression he did. I heard her say the virus is already in people from vaccinations. Didn't anyone else hear her say that? I wouldn't assume she meant flue vaccines, well actually I would, I suppose. They can put anything in any 'vaccine'.

But I think she's wrong.

[Gemma13]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccines

This is absolutely a must watch from a complete insider!!!! Thanks for this, and please watch before it is disappeared. Bump bump bump. A lot of solutions and deep deep deep insight. Astounding interview. Thank you so much for finding this!!!!

Thanks to those persisting in recommendation of this interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits.  It got to me; so I persevered and watched till the end.

Highly recommend.  The medical language and complexities become balanced with layperson dialogue throughout so don't be discouraged from watching all of it as it becomes clear; and there are lots of peripheral topics discussed.

And I understand how hard it is to recap a summary without taking notes throughout.  My suggestion for anyone interested in watching would be to make notes from the recap points that the interviewer makes from time to time. 

Dr. Judy Mikovits website which has a link to her books, PLAGUE and PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION.

http://plaguethebook.com

"Plague of Corruption" has a foreward by ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. 



With the permission of Robert F. Kennedy. Jr., I’ve been authorized to allow you a sneak peek at his Foreword to my new book with Dr. Judy Mikovits, PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION. I’d like to encourage all my readers to begin regularly using the expression, “plague of corruption,” to refer to the outright bribery by the pharmaceutical companies of our democracy, our media, and our scientific community. -Kent

FOREWORDMoral Courage and Our Common Future 
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

“And yet, it moves!” Galileo whispered those defiant words in 1615 as he left the Roman Inquisition tribunal before which he repudiated his theory that the earth—the immovable center of the Universe according to contemporary orthodoxy— revolves around the sun. Had he not recanted; his life was forfeit.

We like to think of Galileo’s struggles as the quaint artifact of a dark, ignorant, and tyrannical e ra 
where individuals challenged government-anointed superstitions only at grave personal risk. Dr. Judy Mikovits’ story shows that stubborn orthodoxies anointed by pharmaceutical companies and corrupt government regulators to protect power and profits remain a dominant force in science and politics.

By any standard, Dr. Judy Mikovits was among the most skilled scientists of her generation. 
She entered professional science from the University of Virginia with a B.A. degree in Chemistry on June 10, 1980 as a protein chemist for the National Cancer Institute (NCI) working on a life-saving project to purify interferon.

The quality of her work and her reliable flashes of genius soon propelled her to the apex of the male-dominated world of scientific research. At NCI, Mikovits began what would become a twenty-year collaboration with Dr. Frank Ruscetti, a pioneer in the field of human retrovirology. While heading up the lab of Robert Gallo in 1977, Rusectti made scientific history by co-discovering with Bernie Poiesz, the first human retrovirus, HTLV-1 (human T-cell leukemia virus).

A retrovirus is a “stealth virus” that, like HIV, enters the host without alerting the immune systems. It may then laydormant for years without causing harm. Before killing a person, a retrovirus will usually destroy their immune system. As a result, many retroviruses cause cancer. With an escalating under- standing of retrovirus behavior, the Ruscetti/ Mikovits collaboration and Mikovits award-winning PhD thesis from George Washington University in 1991, changed the paradigm of HIV-AIDS treatment, turning the disease from a death sentence into a manageable condition.

From the outset, the most daunting obstacle to Mikovits’ career-advancement was her scientific integrity. She always placed it ahead of personal ambition. The first in her blue-collar family to attend university, Judy Mikovits never meant to wade into a public health turmoil. She never considered herself a renegade or revolutionary. Judy’s relatives mainly worked in government or law enforcement. They believed in bedrock American principles of hard work, respect for authority, and above all, telling the truth. That backdrop made it impossible for her to abandon her high natal standards of honesty and integrity even when they became a hindrance.

After leaving NIH, she worked a stint for Upjohn—leading a project to prove the safety of the company’s blockbuster Bovine Growth Hormone. When Mikovits discovered the company’s formula could cause precancerous changes in human cell cultures, she refused direct orders from her boss to hide her discoveries. Mikovits’ revelation suggested that the ubiquitous presence of the hormone in milk could lead to breast cancer in women who drank it. Her refusal to back down precipitated her departure from Upjohn and her return to NIH and graduate school. Judy’s war on BGH eventually led to Upjohn abandoning the product.

In 2009, now in academia, Mikovits and Ruscetti, who was still at NCI, led a team that discovered a strong association between a previously unknown retro- virus and myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS). Predictably, the retrovirus was also linked to certain blood cancers. Collaborators had named it Xenotropic Murine Leukemia Related Virus (XMRV), when they first detected in DNA sequences in prostate Cancer a few years earlier.

The medical community had dealt with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which strikes mostly women, in bad faith since its appearance in the mid-1980s. The medical establishment derided ME/CFS as “yuppie flu” and attributed it to the inherent psychological fragility of career women pursuing professions in high pressure corporate ecosystems. Mikovits found evidence for the retrovirus in approximately 67 percent of women afflicted with ME/CFS, and in a little less than 4 per- cent of the healthy population.

On October 8, 2009, Mikovits and Ruscetti published their explosive findings in the Journal of Science, describing the first isolation of the recently discovered retrovirus, XMRV, and its association to ME/CFS. Her revelation about ME/CFS immediately triggered angry reaction from jealous cancer power centers, stubborn; resistant to science that attributed cancer and neuroimmune diseases to viruses…


With our world now being fertile ground for Bill Gates' enforced vaccination and identification micro chipping to steamroll into reality it is this form of counter intelligence that needs to spread to convince his sycophants, brainwashed fans, and frightened individuals, that he is wrong!

And hopefully give humanity half a chance at stopping him.

[TomKat]

If anyone follows Sarah Westall she interviewed Judy Mikovits last week. Sarah’s YouTube channel was taken down the next day.

The plandemic is their blitzkrieg, their final push to bring about a global Orwellian state. They can't let diversity of opinion mess that up. If this thing doesn't advance their cause significantly before people realise it's not that big a threat, then they are set back years in their planning. Let's hope for that.

[Gracy]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? I was simply making the point about vaccinations. It was an obvious example. There'd be many, many others.

But for verifiable detail, we can go closer to home than the Amazon. :)

Let's ask these folks we all know, from Avalon members who may have Covid-19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19), if or when they last had any kind of vaccination.


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(and maybe even me: I've not had a vaccination for 32 years, and that was for Yellow Fever.)


The last vaccination I had was 25+ years ago, for the flu, and that was just once because silly me at the time allowed someone to talk me into it.

[Bill Ryan]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? I was simply making the point about vaccinations. It was an obvious example. There'd be many, many others.

But for verifiable detail, we can go closer to home than the Amazon. :)

Let's ask these folks we all know, from Avalon members who may have Covid-19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110260-Avalon-members-who-may-have-Covid-19), if or when they last had any kind of vaccination.



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(and maybe even me: I've not had a vaccination for 32 years, and that was for Yellow Fever.)



The last vaccination I had was 25+ years ago, for the flu, and that was just once because silly me at the time allowed someone to talk me into it.Thanks — and Elainie (in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.&p=1350157&viewfull=1#post1350157)) not since she was 8. I didn't know the answers to my questions before I posted them, but I'm not in the least surprised. Her "Covid-19 from previous vaccinations" is just nonsense.

Judy Mikovits seems strangely disconnected from at least some parts of reality. She thinks that the virus survives on surfaces for "minutes" (research papers indicate it can be far longer, maybe several days), and states it doesn't "travel through the air". But it does! Look at the cruise ships fiasco. And see those research papers, also. It may or may not be airborne (many researchers think it is), but it definitely spreads through micro-droplets that can travel over 20 feet.

And this is a very trivial peculiarity, but she didn't know what a civet is. No hanging offense, but it's so, so, SO easy to check. I've known this since I was a little kid, always interested in animals.

It's like a small cat (though not technically a member of the cat family), not a "monkey that lives on the ground". It's pronounced "sivet", not "kivet". It's often called a "civet cat". Here's what one looks like. :)

http://cdn2.walkthroughindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/small-Indian-civet-688x400.jpg

[spade]

Judy Mikovits seems strangely disconnected from at least some parts of reality. She thinks that the virus survives on surfaces for "minutes" (research papers indicate it can be far longer, maybe several days), and states it doesn't "travel through the air". But it does! Look at the cruise ships fiasco. And see those research papers, also. It may or may not be airborne (many researchers think it is), but it definitely spreads through micro-droplets that can travel over 20 feet.

I believe she was referring to the over-reaction / over reach regarding the the closure of outdoor places like parks and beaches. I've personally had a conversation with my head of CDC in my country before, and she explained that it has got everything to do with quantum, ie the viral amount or viral load of which you take in, absorb or inhale before a strong infection can occur. If it is too low, only mild symptoms take place. Viral loads on exposed surfaces with sunlight don't last a minute. Even viral loads on unexposed surfaces usually won't be enough to infect a person.

Airborne transfer is minute because everyone has their own bubble of 4-5 inches around their heads of their own breathing vortex / spatial envelope (sometimes mistaken as aura), where cross contamination is almost impossible, unless breached by reaching across with hugs / handshakes or very close talking for a period of time, disrupting this micro-climate of airflow protection. Usually evident when working still at a computer / desk. There have been studies done on this apparently.

Some study was done to collect viral loads in China sometime ago, and they found the greatest loads in where people would change in and out of their hazmat suits, and in public toilets. This micro-droplets thing is situational. It would almost be negligible on an open beach or park space.

[happyuk]

An Amazon tribesperson has become infected (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1349513&viewfull=1#post1349513), for God's sakes. That person won't ever have been vaccinated with anything.....

Why do you trust and keep repeating this Amazon story? Why isn't it impossible to believe an 'Amazon tribesperson' became infected because 1. there is no valid test, 2. it's irresponsible to believe any thing unverifiable by historically MSM propagandist garbage loaded Guardian 3. because you keep repeating this with incredulity as if implying some backwoods guy who never visited modern civilization caught it in the middle of nowhere thru the air...but even the article you are citing says he went BACK to the tribe with it: Authorities say the boy – who is reported to have travelled back into the Yanomami reserve last month after classes at his school were suspended.

If we just consider the so called 'test' - do you yet have a clear understanding of Koch's Postulates, Bill? If so, on what basis do you feel a test for CV19 can dismiss the Kochs Postulates requirement of proof of 'infection'?

Please give us the credible reasons to believe this Amazon story.

Even you stood tall against the psychological damage being done by the snake oil factor of Q for it being foundationally invisible and totally unverifiable.

The actual properties of this 'virus' and credibility of the 'test' for it is so far are just as invisible and totally unverifiable and the damage being done to the world under the scapegoats of this invisible virus and test is apocalyptic.


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I absolutely agree with respect to the Guardian. The excellent off-Guardian (https://off-guardian.org) website does an admirable job of documenting instances of comments deleted, supposedly for violating "community standards". Basically if you say something they don't like, your comment gets binned. End of. I have experienced this on numerous occasions. Even now when posting on certain subjects my comments are subject to 'pre-moderation'. I emphasize that at no time did my deleted comments contain any insults, sarcasm, four-letter words or ad-hominems.

Why does the West so hypocritically point the finger at China for doing exactly that? At least in China, this is not done in secret. Their system is benefiting the country and the whole society. In the West, this is being done a sneaky way, contrary to all the democratic practices that we are told we must cherish. The West is broke morally and ideologically.

The question is: Who benefits from the Guardian exercising this blatant/corrupt/dangerous/idiotic censorship?

[happyuk]

Boris Johnson's publicity stunt has gone well. A totally expected propaganda piece at the end of it. The hypocrisy in this is staggering…

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1249336590482243585

Does he look like someone who supposedly has had a serious illness and this week has supposedly spent three days in an intensive care unit? Though he may have got hints on how to stay looking fresh and blond from the Trump...

[T Smith]

Bioweapons developer thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19:

GJb-g8ZB4xo

don't wear a mask
don't get flu vaccinesI don't have time to listen to most two hour videos — truly. But I'm interested. Can you kindly summarize?



Hi Bill,

I believe this is vitally important information. I strongly encourage all to refer back to this interview and research all its references and implications.

There are some parts that appear contradictory or need clarification, which I’m sure you and others may take issue with. For example, at the 17:15 mark Dr. Mikovits claims it is improbable for the virus to pass from human to human via coughing; at the 19:00 mark she advises against wearing a mask, but then at the 20:10 mark she seemingly contradicts herself and says the virus can be transmitted person to person. If one cannot become infected from a cough, or by breathing in droplets from an infected person, then how? I presume she means only symptomatic people can pass the virus to the immune-compromised, but it is still unclear to me.

Would it be possible to reach out to her for an interview request? I’m sure she would give Avalon an interview and you would be a much more thorough interviewer. I’m confident you would also hold her feet to the fire on some these issues :) and claims, among others, or at least encourage clarification for the audience.

In any case, this is truly very important information and we all should take the time to absorb the interview thoroughly and entirely, even if we ingest it in pieces, with time permitting…

For these reasons I have provided a summary:



0:13 Introduction of virologist Dr. Judy Mikovits, including long list of credits & qualifications. Her PHd thesis changed the paradigm of HIV/AIDS in U.S.



2:08 People can be infected with SARS CoV-2 without having disease



2:40 Zoonosis (e.g. virus jumping from bat to human) is implausible and requires an intermediary small animal or cell to attenuate, e.g. cultured cell in lab



5:00 Worked at USAMRID (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Medical_Research_Institute_of_Infectious_Diseases) (United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases)- in 1999, cultured Ebola virus and taught it to infect human cells without killing the cell



7:47 SARS CoV-2 is has an inflammatory signature of disease and is not a pathogen among individuals without a susceptible genetic inflammatory signature



8:50 Coronavirus is an injected virus, not ingested



9:15 Viral interference with influenza vaccine causes much greater susceptibility of getting COVID-19



10:40 2017 military study showed viral interference with influenza vaccine promoted coronavirus infection by an increase of 36%; other studies show vaccinated population 4.4 times more likely to get disease relative to unvaccinated population



13:00 Gain-of-function studies (engineering virus in lab, e.g. “teaching” a virus to infect human cells that wouldn’t have evolved naturally for centuries to infect human cells) were considered dangerous (https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787) and were outlawed in US from 2013 – 2017. Labs under direction of TPB sent illegal cell lines across the world during this period



16:28 Francis Collins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins) of NIH (National Institute of Health) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health) lifted outlaw banning research of gain-of-function studies, i.e., "engineering virus strains in lab," in 2017



16:30 NIAID (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Allergy_and_Infectious_Diseases) under Anthony Fauci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci) funded illegal gain-of-function studies in Wuhan, China with University of North Carolina and Harvard researcher, intentionally breaking US law. Anthony Fauci above the law?



17:15 Implausible that SARS CoV-2 passes from human to human via healthy humans coughing; more plausible virus is injected via engineered viral monkey kidney cells, dog cells, and other animal cells present in vaccines produced from illegal gain-of-function studies between 2013-2015



19:00 Wearing a mask could pose risk to re-infection or activation of dormant viruses or to those with COPD, asthma, etc.



20:10 No question SARS CoV-2 can be spread from person to person and is more contagious, but originates from injection. Most people are immune; SARS CoV-2 is not more pathogenic



22:00 Injecting DNA into humans changes their susceptibility to other things because their immune systems become crippled and dysfunctional (the fire is always on). The people most likely to get severe disease from SARS CoV-2 are the vaccine-injured.



23:38 The pandemic is being misrepresented, viruses don’t float in air or live on surfaces more than an hour, immune systems neutralize coronaviruses



24:58 Healthy people do not express SARS CoV-2



25:35 PCR testing detects four common-cold coronavirus strands resulting in false positives for SARS CoV-2. The other tests being used are IgG and IgM (https://www.biomedomics.com/products/infectious-disease/covid-19-rt/) or (serology testing) (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/COVID-19-fact-sheets/200228-Serology-testing-COVID.pdf), which detects positive if the body is producing antibodies due to infection.



28:20 Infection doesn’t equal disease. A third test detecting for an inflammatory cytokine signature (in conjunction with the other two) would determine who is at risk of developing COVID-19



30:00 - COVID-19 misrepresented in every area of media and scientific media; a positive IgG test does not stage COVID-19, it does just the opposite: it means subject is immune. Immunology and biology being propagandized



31:00 Re-infection is normal (infection does not equal sickness or disease); every animal has coronaviruses (including humans); every test currently used to detect COVID-19 has cross re-activities with every other coronavirus strain (including the common cold); none of the tests employ confirmatory assays to detect SARS-CoV-2 or the susceptibility to develop COVID-19.



32:00 Agenda-ridden medicine has nothing to do with infection



32:40 None of the current COVID-19 reported cases (or deaths) satisfy Koch’s postulates (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7105) or Hill’s criteria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Hill_criteria) that would conclusively establish COVID-19 as cause of disease/death, i.e. per Hill’s criteria every person with SARS-CoV-2 must have the disease.



33:00 German studies show less than .8% who have the virus get disease



34:00 Researchers have not been able to produce a successful vaccine for SARS/MERS/HIV, etc. in 18-40 years; by what reasoning should we expect the development of a successful (or safe) COVID-19 vaccine?



36:13 Dr. Mikovits’ direct interaction with Tony Fauci and CDC; worked with Fauci from 1984. Mikovits published article in Journal of Science that described the isolation of new family of retroviruses (XMRVs); between 2009 – 2011 CDC (headed by Fauci) suppressed scientifically significant data/evidence from Mikovits and colleagues showing cancer-causing/disease-causing (at least 32 related diseases) viruses from mouse cells that jumped to humans via biological therapies (vaccines).



39:22 Scientific data clearly shows more than 25 millions Americans are carrying mouse-relating cancer-causing viruses and are a ticking time-bomb for developing cancer and aforementioned related diseases. The affected population is twenty-five times the population affected by the HIV/AIDs epidemic.



40:00 In a September 6, 2010 meeting at NIH, Francis Collins directed Tony Fauci at CDC to fund and erect a large replication study through Columbia University to confirm results of aforementioned study. This study was flawed, did not use real patients or match the same cohorts, controls, and criteria of original study, save for one cohort population in the Stanford area.



41:00 Tony Fauci forbade Dr. Mikovit from stepping into the NCI lab where she had worked for 22 years and was told if she stepped into the lab she would be arrested. She was consulted by phone to confirm visuals of slides, etc., and was coerced at literal and figurative gunpoint by CDC to sign off on study and to agree it was fair and she executed the study. (The Stanford population was the only cohort that replicated the results).



42:11 Tony Fauci and CDC terminated replication study as a waste of government expenditure citing “tea-cup statistics” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_tasting_tea), suppressing statistical scientific data showing vaccines tainted with XMRVs viruses cause cancer, autism, ME CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), and more virulent strains of cancer-causing viruses.



43:09 COVID-19 a cover-up of much bigger problem



52:00 Monsanto & Bayer discontinue production of Suramin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suram), the effective but non-patented drug treating autism; Merck discontinues production of Type 1 Interferon Alpha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interferon_type_I), the non-patented and unprofitable drug protecting elderly susceptible people. Cures and treatments are available, but suppressed.



56:20 COVID-19 deaths being inflated



1:01 CDC suppresses evidence that vaccines cause disease



1:01:19 In 2019 CDC remove a list of animal cell lines (which the scientific data showed causes cancer and disease) from excipient list so consumers are none the wiser



1:10:00 5-G and exposure to toxins in environment and chemicals can activate viruses (e.g. activate to virulent pathogen)



1:13:07 Autoimmune ability to discern “self” from “non-self” is deregulated with every injection.



1:15:00 Suramin on WHO list of 100 essential medicines, is an effective treatment for autism, yet is unavailable because is non-patentable and not profitable for Big Pharma



1:18:07 Vaccines are driving pandemics



1:23:30 Micro RNA (exosomes) can leave body and serve a “messenger” to other cells outside body to cleanse.



1:28:45 Some anti-viral drugs being used in hospitals induce cardiac arrest. Why not use type 1 interferon to prevent spread of virus and calm down immune system?



1:31:25 Viruses are technically not alive, are considered “obligate parasites” need host cells as factory to replicate



1:39:55 In case of small pox, an experimental vaccination program prior to the epidemic drove the evolution of the most severe pathogenic outbreaks of small pox



1:41:17: SARS/MERS/Bird Flu/Swine Flu/Ebola were all associated with a vaccination program or chemical spraying, e.g. pesticides, etc.; viruses don’t jump species without existential threat to host



1:44:00 Question to Dr. Mikovits: how do you explain the deaths we see in the media and the data that confirms a contagious pandemic?



1:44:52 Dr. Mikovits’ Answer: Numbers aren’t being reported as actual deaths. Recorded deaths all are cases with co-morbidities; the victims didn’t die of an infection, the victims died with an infection. It doesn’t take much inflammation to kill a patient with co-morbidities.



1:55:00 Religious freedoms being removed







From Bill: Thanks, and this post is moved to this thread where her interview is already being discussed (including by myself).

I genuinely very much appreciate the summary with the timestamps (that takes time and work — I know!), and I agree that she sometimes seems to contradict herself. That's more than helpful for myself and many others.

Her overall message about Cui Bono? is of course totally valid. I couldn't agree more. And right, Tony Fauci can't be trusted any more than Bill Gates can.

More and more I'm thinking that we're in the position of 9/11 researchers getting into personal firefights about what brought down the towers. That's hardly the point any more.

It may not matter whether the virus is real or not. Or whether the statistics are reliable. Or whether the tests work. Or what the role of 5G is. (Or anything else!)

What DOES matter is the world we're being shepherded into. That's never been in any doubt for me. And that may be the ONLY important thing.

[Merlinite]

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What was this video? It's now been taken down

[TomKat]

Now they're saying that people who have covid symptoms but don't test positive are false negatives. Talk about a poor test...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/03/26/negative-coronavirus-test-result-doesnt-always-mean-you-arent-infected/

[DaveToo]

It may not matter whether the virus is real or not. Or whether the statistics are reliable. Or whether the tests work. Or what the role of 5G is. (Or anything else!)

What DOES matter is the world we're being shepherded into. That's never been in any doubt for me. And that may be the ONLY important thing.


This !

[Constance]

Bill:
"It may not matter whether the virus is real or not. Or whether the statistics are reliable. Or whether the tests work. Or what the role of 5G is. (Or anything else!)

What DOES matter is the world we're being shepherded into. That's never been in any doubt for me. And that may be the ONLY important thing."

This!

“let us spend one day as deliberately as Nature.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Walden
:heart:

[pueblo]

Dr. Judy Mikovits claims you can find almost any Coronavirus sequence you like from a throat or nasal swab..

GJb-g8ZB4xo

[TomKat]

Would it be possible to reach out to her for an interview request? I’m sure she would give Avalon an interview and you would be a much more thorough interviewer. I’m confident you would also hold her feet to the fire on some these issues :) and claims, among others, or at least encourage clarification for the audience.


Dr Judy will be on Coast radio Tuesday night:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2020/04/14

[Constance]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:

[Bill Ryan]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistent to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:An excellent, excellent question. (Of course! :bigsmile: :P )

Here are some bulletpoints, mixed with my own very tentative opinions and ideas.


It's not known why children don't seem to succumb. There's a ton of stuff which isn't yet known about the virus. It seems to do a lot of strange things that have taken virologists by surprise.



When reliable antibody tests are developed (only a matter of time), children will be right there on the list to be tested — to find out whether they never contracted it (if not, why not??), or whether millions of children were infected all over the world but somehow symptoms never developed.



I'm personally certain it's a weapon. One might guess at several reasons why children might not have been targeted — if the targeting was that accurate. (And it may not have been. The science of designing viruses to order might not be at all complete.)



Of course, this virus is so weird that maybe children are affected in important ways, but because symptoms rarely show, no-one right now might be paying any attention to what's invisibly happening to children at all. All the fast-tracked research is focused elsewhere. (One might imagine a science fiction film in which the children seem just totally fine, but 20 years later it's become clear that they're all sterile, or all those of one sex are. That'd be like a delayed-action catastrophe.



If a prime target was the economy, then children don't go to work (although schools are closed, a different societal impact, and on parents, too). One might imagine the opposite kind of pandemic, where mostly children were affected. That'd create far more emotional panic, but if adults were pretty much unaffected then maybe no lockdowns would have been necessary, nor all the personal tracking that's probably planned. Most toddlers don't have smartphones (though some do!!), or fly around the world spreading it everywhere.

Those are my best shots in just a few minutes. :) Maybe others have more ideas. Of course, this thread is the There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, so it might not be the best place for the discussion!

[Tomkoyote]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:
I suggest you watch the video titled: "What is a V!irus" that have posted here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110646-Wakeup-Call-for-the-Cattle
FF to 7:45 (the guy with beard). I suggest you reduce the playback speed to 0.75 (he speaks too fast for me)

[T Smith]

I thought I would share a personal anecdote. A close friend of our family and her 8-year-old daughter recently developed all the typical COVID-19 symptoms, headache, fever, shortness of breath. They consequently both tested positive for COVID-19, per the mass "drive-up" nasal swab RT-PCR testing clinics that have produced all the numbers and statistics on which the experts, pundits, and technocrats are formulating all their projections, infection rates, Ro?, and draconian policies, including the peak demand calculation for hospital resources, all of which has essentially shut down the world. Naturally, our friend's family was scared and frightened.

Our friend's brother-in-law is a prominent oncologist who heads up a network of cancer clinics; through the connections at his clinic he arranged to have his sister take a serology test (discussed in Dr. Mikovits video at the 25:35 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo)); this test took a couple days and came back negative. The medical consensus (including the opinion of her regular doctor) no longer considers our friend infected with SARS CoV-2 or at risk to develop COVID-19. She is now a "negative" case. (Incidentally, both she and her daughter weathered through a couple days of sickness but are now feeling fine).

Bottom line, our friend and her daughter tested positive for the common cold and the initial results (which consists of 99% of the tests currently administered) was a rush to judgement.

Conspiracy? At the highest levels, yes. But on the front lines, maybe not. Doctors are trained to err on the side of caution. Those on the front lines of this are just going through the motions. If a patient has COVID-19 symptoms and RT-PCR tests confirm the symptoms, what point is there to confirm the disease? Why not err on the side of caution to ensure the patient receives treatment and does not infect others? Medical professionals often wear blinders without consideration of the broader implications of prognosis and treatment of the specific illness they are looking at. This is the culture of allopathic medicine in general.

This is just anecdotal evidence, but the point remains. Unless we administer both tests there is simply no way to know how many real cases of COVID-19 we are dealing with or how contagious the disease really is. According to Mikovits, SARS-CoV-2 is also largely non pathogenic and only expresses in individuals with susceptible genetic inflammatory signatures, which also can be tested (see 7:15 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo)). A positive test of all three assays would likely give us an accurate idea who is at a very real risk of severe illness or death of COVID-19, or in other words, an accurate assessment of this pandemic.

Until we have this data, we are all in the dark. Chris Martenson doesn't know; David Icke doesn't know. For no fault of their own, they are both speculating, as any projection or declaration of hoax is only as good as the data on which its founded.

My guess is (again, I don't know--nobody does) there is not nearly enough COVID-19 cases to sell the panic to the public and a pandemic of the magnitude to shut down the entire world, but just enough cases to pull off one of the greatest deceptions and psyops the world has ever seen.

[TomKat]

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?


It's clear that if the virus is from a bat, then it had to have been developed in a lab to cross the species boundary. But that doesn't mean its release was intentional, aimed at a specific result or part of some all-encompassing conspiracy. Just because the deep state is rolling with an economic lockdown plan doesn't mean this was foreseen from the get-go. They've most likely just seized an opportunity and are going to see how far they can advance their goals.

[spade]

Exactly what Dr Judy says - serology test

[Constance]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistent to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:An excellent, excellent question. (Of course! :bigsmile: :P )

Here are some bulletpoints, mixed with my own very tentative opinions and ideas.


It's not known why children don't seem to succumb. There's a ton of stuff which isn't yet known about the virus. It seems to do a lot of strange things that have taken virologists by surprise.



When reliable antibody tests are developed (only a matter of time), children will be right there on the list to be tested — to find out whether they never contracted it (if not, why not??), or whether millions of children were infected all over the world but somehow symptoms never developed.



I'm personally certain it's a weapon. One might guess at several reasons why children might not have been targeted — if the targeting was that accurate. (And it may not have been. The science of designing viruses to order might not be at all complete.)



Of course, this virus is so weird that maybe children are affected in important ways, but because symptoms rarely show, no-one right now might be paying any attention to what's invisibly happening to children at all. All the fast-tracked research is focused elsewhere. (One might imagine a science fiction film in which the children seem just totally fine, but 20 years later it's become clear that they're all sterile, or all those of one sex are. That'd be like a delayed-action catastrophe.



If a prime target was the economy, then children don't go to work (although schools are closed, a different societal impact, and on parents, too). One might imagine the opposite kind of pandemic, where mostly children were affected. That'd create far more emotional panic, but if adults were pretty much unaffected then maybe no lockdowns would have been necessary, nor all the personal tracking that's probably planned. Most toddlers don't have smartphones (though some do!!), or fly around the world spreading it everywhere.

Those are my best shots in just a few minutes. :) Maybe others have more ideas. Of course, this thread is the There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, so it might not be the best place for the discussion!

Thanks for all of that! You've covered quite a few bases there and I appreciate it.



Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:
I suggest you watch the video titled: "What is a V!irus" that have posted here
FF to 7:45 (the guy with beard). I suggest you reduce the playback speed to 0.75 (he speaks too fast for me)



If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?


It's clear that if the virus is from a bat, then it had to have been developed in a lab to cross the species boundary. But that doesn't mean its release was intentional, aimed at a specific result or part of some all-encompassing conspiracy. Just because the deep state is rolling with an economic lockdown plan doesn't mean this was foreseen from the get-go. They've most likely just seized an opportunity and are going to see how far they can advance their goals.

Thanks for those thoughts and the link, TomCat and TomKoyote...

I will let this thread return to the topic at hand.

Thanks again,

:bowing:

Constance

:focus:

[Gemma13]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:

My leaning is toward population reduction (genocide) and control via forced vaccination and micro chipping I.D. agendas.

There are many markers pointing to this being the classic PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION.  Shaving off a significant percentage of elderly and health compromised individuals being the genocide target.

Gates himself tells us his percentage estimates of elderly/compromised that will "suffer" from his vaccination: 1 in 10,000.  But of course that is a conservative estimate because it doesn't account for the elderly and compromised that will die quickly from his vaccination because the vaccine won't be reported as being the killer.

Easy to genocide with a stealth vaccine bio-weapon.

COVID19 virus is not the killer. It's the war problem being used so they can send their vaccine army global with the real bio weapon of destruction.

[Constance]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:

My leaning is toward population reduction (genocide) and control via forced vaccination and micro chipping I.D. agendas.

There are many markers pointing to this being the classic PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION.  Shaving off a significant percentage of elderly and health compromised individuals being the genocide target.

Gates himself tells us his percentage estimates of elderly/compromised that will "suffer" from his vaccination: 1 in 10,000.  But of course that is a conservative estimate because it doesn't account for the elderly and compromised that will die quickly from his vaccination because the vaccine won't be reported as being the killer.

Easy to genocide with a stealth vaccine bio-weapon.

COVID19 virus is not the killer. It's the war problem being used so they can send their vaccine army global with the real bio weapon of destruction.

Thanks Gemma13 for all your thoughts. It certainly is more food for thought.

[T Smith]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?



According to Dr. Mikovits, the virus was cultured in a lab but not specifically engineered in the conventional sense of the word; in other words virologists play around with mutations in the lab via trial and error in a process of accelerated and directed evolution to achieve a given strain or objective, but they don't specifically "build" a killer virus in the typical sense of putting together lego blocks.

Mikovits also claims the virus is not pathogenic to those with healthy immune systems. That is why most who test positive (or false positive as the case may be) are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms.

The virus is a pathogen (or catalyst) however, to those with compromised immune systems or with underlying heath problems or existing disease. This claim is consistent with the profile of deaths being attributed to COVID-19; almost all who have succumb to COVID-19 have comorbid diseases; hence the debate, did the underlying disease kill the patient? Or did COVID-19 kill the patient? The answer is, the underlying disease most likely killed the patient; SARS CoV-2 (or COVID-19) was the catalyst.

So that's the long answer. The short answer is, most children do not fall into the aforementioned demographic.

Mikovits also claims this specific virus strain has an inflammatory signature that does express as a pathogen in certain individuals with susceptible genetic constitutions. At present, we have no idea of knowing if this genetic cytokine signature exists in 1 in 100 individuals or 1 in 100,000 individuals or somewhere in-between. This could be why we hear about the occasional case of a perfectly healthy/young person contracting the virus and dying of COVID-19.

[TomKat]

We still don't know if bat flu is a real thing unleashed on the world or just something in a lab in Wuhan. Couldn't it just be the latest mutation of last year's flu? Has a microscopic picture of covid-19 been released for experts to view? And if so, is that from a sample outside of China, or just something the Chinese presented to the world on their word of honour? On Wikipedia, they only show illustrations. If they're only testing for coronavirus antibodies, we don't know what people are getting sick from.

[Bill Ryan]

We still don't know if bat flu is a real thing unleashed on the world or just something in a lab in Wuhan. Couldn't it just be the latest mutation of last year's flu? Has a microscopic picture of covid-19 been released for experts to view? And if so, is that from a sample outside of China, or just something the Chinese presented to the world on their word of honour? On Wikipedia, they only show illustrations. If they're only testing for coronavirus antibodies, we don't know what people are getting sick from.Well, here are a couple of things to consider.


Flu isn't a coronavirus at all. (So this isn't a mutation of the flu virus.)
It was easy to find this. (Search for [Covid-19 + "electron microscope"] ) That came from this article (https://thepathologist.com/subspecialties/the-covid-19-pandemic-a-summary). There are many other images, too.


https://thepathologist.com/fileadmin/_processed_/e/8/csm_0320-900_Supp_COVID19_1_In_Article_f7dbbbe8e0.jpg

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you T Smith..The personal info you cite brings up the critical blind spot in the analysis of Covid- we do not yet know how to accurately diagnose, track or evaluate the true numbers. Because of this, the “statistics” can be tweaked, massaged and manipulated to serve a variety of political purposes. The average news consumer is expecting the data to reflect real rates of infection, when this is clearly not the case.

[Elainie]

https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/0yMvL7SaaePCh8raohYoxsp1MzZ6gHeT/series/2470/media/546082?autostart=false&showtabssearch=true&fullscreen=false&jwsource=cl



More from Dr. Judy Mikovits, she goes into the bat's etc Wuhan labs etc

[Constance]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistant to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?



According to Dr. Mikovits, the virus was cultured in a lab but not specifically engineered in the conventional sense of the word; in other words virologists play around with mutations in the lab via trial and error in a process of accelerated and directed evolution to achieve a given strain or objective, but they don't specifically "build" a killer virus in the typical sense of putting together lego blocks.

Mikovits also claims the virus is not pathogenic to those with healthy immune systems. That is why most who test positive (or false positive as the case may be) are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms.

The virus is a pathogen (or catalyst) however, to those with compromised immune systems or with underlying heath problems or existing disease. This claim is consistent with the profile of deaths being attributed to COVID-19; almost all who have succumb to COVID-19 have comorbid diseases; hence the debate, did the underlying disease kill the patient? Or did COVID-19 kill the patient? The answer is, the underlying disease most likely killed the patient; SARS CoV-2 (or COVID-19) was the catalyst.

So that's the long answer. The short answer is, most children do not fall into the aforementioned demographic.

Mikovits also claims this specific virus strain has an inflammatory signature that does express as a pathogen in certain individuals with susceptible genetic constitutions. At present, we have no idea of knowing if this genetic cytokine signature exists in 1 in 100 individuals or 1 in 100,000 individuals or somewhere in-between. This could be why we hear about the occasional case of a perfectly healthy/young person contracting the virus and dying of COVID-19.

Thanks so much T. Smith. I really enjoy reading your posts. Keep up the great work! :inlove:

[TomKat]

Flu isn't a coronavirus at all. (So this isn't a mutation of the flu virus.)


Well the common cold is a coronavirus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

and the picture for this flu virus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae

looks a lot like your picture for the coronavirus

Also, the data in your article relies on China. We still don't know if what people in North America are testing positive for is covid-19 or the common cold.

And for the last 20 years it's been increasingly difficult to distinguish between the common cold and the flu. In Jan of 2019 I had symptoms consistent with covid-19 that started out as a cold and then went to bronchitis and nearly pneumonia. People don't usually get lab tested for either flu or cold, so there is little accurate data. I suspect there are relatively few cases of covid-19 in N America and, like AIDS, is mostly a bureaucratic disease, Dr Fauci's specialty.

[greybeard]

Tom Kat here is Bruce Lipton's take on this
COVID-19 IS A TYPE OF FLU: How A Strong Immune System Can Protect From Coronavirus | Dr Bruce Lipton

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1350972&viewfull=1#post1350972

[Arcturian108]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistent to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:An excellent, excellent question. (Of course! :bigsmile: :P )

Here are some bulletpoints, mixed with my own very tentative opinions and ideas.


It's not known why children don't seem to succumb. There's a ton of stuff which isn't yet known about the virus. It seems to do a lot of strange things that have taken virologists by surprise.



When reliable antibody tests are developed (only a matter of time), children will be right there on the list to be tested — to find out whether they never contracted it (if not, why not??), or whether millions of children were infected all over the world but somehow symptoms never developed.



I'm personally certain it's a weapon. One might guess at several reasons why children might not have been targeted — if the targeting was that accurate. (And it may not have been. The science of designing viruses to order might not be at all complete.)



Of course, this virus is so weird that maybe children are affected in important ways, but because symptoms rarely show, no-one right now might be paying any attention to what's invisibly happening to children at all. All the fast-tracked research is focused elsewhere. (One might imagine a science fiction film in which the children seem just totally fine, but 20 years later it's become clear that they're all sterile, or all those of one sex are. That'd be like a delayed-action catastrophe.



If a prime target was the economy, then children don't go to work (although schools are closed, a different societal impact, and on parents, too). One might imagine the opposite kind of pandemic, where mostly children were affected. That'd create far more emotional panic, but if adults were pretty much unaffected then maybe no lockdowns would have been necessary, nor all the personal tracking that's probably planned. Most toddlers don't have smartphones (though some do!!), or fly around the world spreading it everywhere.

Those are my best shots in just a few minutes. :) Maybe others have more ideas. Of course, this thread is the There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, so it might not be the best place for the discussion!

I posted this elsewhere, but it also belongs here because of the children question.
I heard a man in a video today discussing how it was impossible to transmit a virus between people, except by injection. This person generally appeared to be quite intelligent But that got me thinking about the origins of this pandemic. What if those who test positive for the virus did so only because they received an injection that included the virus, like in the last 24 months? Namely, those who received the normal flu season vaccine?!!! This might explain why young children don't appear to be infected, even now, and why people in aged care homes are highly infected (because probably in that setting flu vaccines are mandatory!)
All Chinese citizens supposedly received mandatory vaccines last December 1st (?) What was in those vaccines??? Can some independent researcher tells us what was in this past winter's flu vaccine in the U.S.? Also, since most medications now sold in America come from China, does that also mean our seasonal flu vaccines also come from China? If it was discovered that Covid-19 was included in this Chinese vaccination program, then that is possibly the reason why the Chinese are shutting down all investigations into the origins of the virus, as I write this. Furthermore, the Chinese government (and W.H.O. repeated) initially said the virus wasn't contagious. What if they were telling us the truth!

[TomKat]

Would it be possible to reach out to her for an interview request? I’m sure she would give Avalon an interview and you would be a much more thorough interviewer. I’m confident you would also hold her feet to the fire on some these issues :) and claims, among others, or at least encourage clarification for the audience.


Dr Judy will be on Coast radio Tuesday night:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2020/04/14

Dr. Judy was on Coast radio last night. Here for a week:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/86455336caafe2c11fa9a8731248203c20200415114356/267599e7c63d3df3eef0c6be8b6251b120200415114438/a56848?utm_campaign=WT_email_tracking&utm_content=general&utm_medium=download_button&utm_source=notify_recipient_email

[AutumnW]

I thought I would share a personal anecdote. A close friend of our family and her 8-year-old daughter recently developed all the typical COVID-19 symptoms, headache, fever, shortness of breath. They consequently both tested positive for COVID-19, per the mass "drive-up" nasal swab RT-PCR testing clinics that have produced all the numbers and statistics on which the experts, pundits, and technocrats are formulating all their projections, infection rates, Ro?, and draconian policies, including the peak demand calculation for hospital resources, all of which has essentially shut down the world. Naturally, our friend's family was scared and frightened.

Our friend's brother-in-law is a prominent oncologist who heads up a network of cancer clinics; through the connections at his clinic he arranged to have his sister take a serology test (discussed in Dr. Mikovits video at the 25:35 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo)); this test took a couple days and came back negative. The medical consensus (including the opinion of her regular doctor) no longer considers our friend infected with SARS CoV-2 or at risk to develop COVID-19. She is now a "negative" case. (Incidentally, both she and her daughter weathered through a couple days of sickness but are now feeling fine).

Bottom line, our friend and her daughter tested positive for the common cold and the initial results (which consists of 99% of the tests currently administered) was a rush to judgement.

Conspiracy? At the highest levels, yes. But on the front lines, maybe not. Doctors are trained to err on the side of caution. Those on the front lines of this are just going through the motions. If a patient has COVID-19 symptoms and RT-PCR tests confirm the symptoms, what point is there to confirm the disease? Why not err on the side of caution to ensure the patient receives treatment and does not infect others? Medical professionals often wear blinders without consideration of the broader implications of prognosis and treatment of the specific illness they are looking at. This is the culture of allopathic medicine in general.

This is just anecdotal evidence, but the point remains. Unless we administer both tests there is simply no way to know how many real cases of COVID-19 we are dealing with or how contagious the disease really is. According to Mikovits, SARS-CoV-2 is also largely non pathogenic and only expresses in individuals with susceptible genetic inflammatory signatures, which also can be tested (see 7:15 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo)). A positive test of all three assays would likely give us an accurate idea who is at a very real risk of severe illness or death of COVID-19, or in other words, an accurate assessment of this pandemic.

Until we have this data, we are all in the dark. Chris Martenson doesn't know; David Icke doesn't know. For no fault of their own, they are both speculating, as any projection or declaration of hoax is only as good as the data on which its founded.

My guess is (again, I don't know--nobody does) there is not nearly enough COVID-19 cases to sell the panic to the public and a pandemic of the magnitude to shut down the entire world, but just enough cases to pull off one of the greatest deceptions and psyops the world has ever seen.

Thank you for this post and framing it in terms of, "we don't know at this point." I would take it a step further and include we also don't know for certain if it is a psy-op or great deception either. More will be known or suspicions may become more grounded, in retrospect.

Chris Martenson is more credible on this issue than David Icke. Let me expand here a bit. Martenson is not mainstream, thinks 911 was an inside job. He also has an MBA and is a pretty gifted economic analyst, as well. Chris uses a lot of qualifiers in his analyses. You are unlikely to hear him use the phrase, "I believe," prematurely.

[norman]

Retrospect is as useful as an inflatable anchor, on a battlefield.

[AutumnW]

Mikovitz was excoriated for her work on M.E/CFS about a decade ago. The hounds of Hell were really unleashed on her. Even if she did doctor some of her findings -- a very common occurrence these days ---- why her and why CFS? She stumbled onto something with her XMRV studies, most certainly. It never made sense to me. This is so crazy:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/criminal-charges-dropped-against-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-researcher-judy-mikovits

[AutumnW]

Retrospect is as useful as an inflatable anchor, on a battlefield.

Prejudging a phenomenon before more evidence is in, will leave you unarmed in a battle of wits, my friend.

[norman]

Retrospect is as useful as an inflatable anchor, on a battlefield.

Prejudging a phenomenon before more evidence is in, will leave you unarmed in a battle of wits, my friend.

Hi friend, let's hope it's only a battle of wits then.

[T Smith]

Would it be possible to reach out to her for an interview request? I’m sure she would give Avalon an interview and you would be a much more thorough interviewer. I’m confident you would also hold her feet to the fire on some these issues :) and claims, among others, or at least encourage clarification for the audience.


Dr Judy will be on Coast radio Tuesday night:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2020/04/14

Dr. Judy was on Coast radio last night. Here for a week:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/86455336caafe2c11fa9a8731248203c20200415114356/267599e7c63d3df3eef0c6be8b6251b120200415114438/a56848?utm_campaign=WT_email_tracking&utm_content=general&utm_medium=download_button&utm_source=notify_recipient_email

Another illuminating interview.

I hope she has a body guard....

[TomKat]

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/86455336caafe2c11fa9a8731248203c20200415114356/267599e7c63d3df3eef0c6be8b6251b120200415114438/a56848?utm_campaign=WT_email_tracking&utm_content=general&utm_medium=download_button&utm_source=notify_recipient_email

Another illuminating interview.

I hope she has a body guard....

She's just written another book, with her co-author, a lawyer. It came out yesterday and the hard copy is sold out, but you can get the kindle. She tears into Fauci, who seems to be competing for the role of Dr. Evil. :-) She exposed him 8 years ago in her first book, and nothing has happened. She welcomes a confrontation.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S5H6T4Q?tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

[Ernie Nemeth]

Today I was in one of the wuhan virus line-ups, waiting my turn, practicing proper 'social distancing', when a person behind me asked me to move. I looked, it was an employee. The lane I was in was ten feet wide, I was to one side. This person made me walk to the wall and face it while she moved past me. She did likewise to the other ten people ahead of me. Gloves, mask, and a bottle of disinfectant at the ready...

I am not one bit afraid. I wear no mask, breath deep and free, with no gloves or disinfectant.

I am afraid for the world though. Because this pandemic will not end well. It will change our society even more for the worse. Or worse, it could push us over the edge of civility...

Of course, a major reason I am not afraid is that my wife, I am convinced, has already had the illness and I have been exposed. Now, as she deteriorates back into the second bout of severe distress, I fear she will not survive. I hope I am wrong! But one thing for sure she cannot take another round at critical care with a respirator shoved down her throat. What a fiasco!

[Philippe]

Of course, a major reason I am not afraid is that my wife, I am convinced, has already had the illness and I have been exposed. Now, as she deteriorates back into the second bout of severe distress, I fear she will not survive. I hope I am wrong! But one thing for sure she cannot take another round at critical care with a respirator shoved down her throat. What a fiasco!
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Illness is an effort of the body to detoxify (See the virus theory I brought out on the "resist the lockdown" thread) . One should listen to the body and take appropriate steps.Or one learns something and goes upscale the dwindling spiral to restore the fantastic natural millennia old immune system. Or one does not learn anything and goes further down in descent on the dwindling spiral. Has you wife learned anything from the first bout of illness. What is she doing to help the immune system and identify toxicity in the environment. Maybe she is sensitive to smokers or whatever. Make her look and fight. She can overcome this. Kindest wishes.

[Ernie Nemeth]

She believes in the medical establishment and swears by their tests. Right now she is slowly getting worse while she waits for a chance to get another X-ray to prove she has an infection in her lungs.

When I was young I had pneumonia. My doctor listened to my breathing with a stethoscope and immediately rushed me to the hospital - double-lung pneumonia was diagnosed there. I spent two weeks in an oxygen tent. Nowadays, I guess doctors are not trained to use a stethoscope...an x-ray is required. But none are open and I don't want her to go to hospital to do it so we are stuck.

Her faith is in established medicine and their drugs. She wants her magic pill dispensed by the only authority she recognizes and the proper procedural remedy, test then dispense drugs...

[greybeard]

She believes in the medical establishment and swears by their tests. Right now she is slowly getting worse while she waits for a chance to get another X-ray to prove she has an infection in her lungs.

When I was young I had pneumonia. My doctor listened to my breathing with a stethoscope and immediately rushed me to the hospital - double-lung pneumonia was diagnosed there. I spent two weeks in an oxygen tent. Nowadays, I guess doctors are not trained to use a stethoscope...an x-ray is required. But none are open and I don't want her to go to hospital to do it so we are stuck.

Her faith is in established medicine and their drugs. She wants her magic pill dispensed by the only authority she recognizes and the proper procedural remedy, test then dispense drugs...

Dear Ernie sorry to hear of your wife's deterioration.
Like you I gad double Pneumonia age ten, they cured it with penicillin --cant see why its not used now--it worked then.
I was seriously ill after an operation to remove spleen and I assume the injections were given for the pneumonia.
Chris

[pueblo]

Wow! This guy claims to be a respiratory therapist...touches on counting ALL deaths as Covid-19, no shortage of ventilators, ineffective PCR tests and more..

13min

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[sms]

The danger might be lurking from behind?!


http://galaksija.is/images/5g-sheep.jpg


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[iamofopenmind]

I am no Statistician, Virologist, Epidemiologist, Microbiologist, Immunologist or Physician in fact an expert in nothing but there's nothing at all wrong with my nose (intuition) and I have always trusted it. My nose tells me something stinks to high heaven about all this Coronavirus stuff. My opinion, for what it's worth is that it's more to do with the economy. Whoever it is that runs this Earth and it ain't no politicians, is deliberately crashing the economies of the World. I am constantly asking myself why? I know one thing my nose tells me this is all a staged event, possibly an attempt to control the masses and you have to say so far it's pretty successful. How is this all going to be paid for in the long run? It can't!! It will mean a whole reset of the global financial system, a new beginning. A NEW WORLD ORDER!! - There it is, I said it. God help us all!!

[TomKat]

I am no Statistician, Virologist, Epidemiologist, Microbiologist, Immunologist or Physician in fact an expert in nothing but there's nothing at all wrong with my nose (intuition) and I have always trusted it. My nose tells me something stinks to high heaven about all this Coronavirus stuff. My opinion, for what it's worth is that it's more to do with the economy. Whoever it is that runs this Earth and it ain't no politicians, is deliberately crashing the economies of the World. I am constantly asking myself why? I know one thing my nose tells me this is all a staged event, possibly an attempt to control the masses and you have to say so far it's pretty successful. How is this all going to be paid for in the long run? It can't!! It will mean a whole reset of the global financial system, a new beginning. A NEW WORLD ORDER!! - There it is, I said it. God help us all!!

Well, they've been giving people coronavirus in the test itself.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/cdcs-failed-coronavirus-tests-were-tainted-with-coronavirus-feds-confirm/

[iamofopenmind]

I am no Statistician, Virologist, Epidemiologist, Microbiologist, Immunologist or Physician in fact an expert in nothing but there's nothing at all wrong with my nose (intuition) and I have always trusted it. My nose tells me something stinks to high heaven about all this Coronavirus stuff. My opinion, for what it's worth is that it's more to do with the economy. Whoever it is that runs this Earth and it ain't no politicians, is deliberately crashing the economies of the World. I am constantly asking myself why? I know one thing my nose tells me this is all a staged event, possibly an attempt to control the masses and you have to say so far it's pretty successful. How is this all going to be paid for in the long run? It can't!! It will mean a whole reset of the global financial system, a new beginning. A NEW WORLD ORDER!! - There it is, I said it. God help us all!!

Well, they've been giving people coronavirus in the test itself.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/cdcs-failed-coronavirus-tests-were-tainted-with-coronavirus-feds-confirm/

In a press conference today UK's Health Secretary said they are are ready for clinical trials of a vaccine as early as this Thursday coming. Although he did admit reaching this stage of clinical trials would normally take 2 years under normal circumstances but we are in extraordinary times, he says. These may be extraordinary times, who knows, but this one stinks to me even more after hearing that gem.

[XelNaga]

I am no Statistician, Virologist, Epidemiologist, Microbiologist, Immunologist or Physician in fact an expert in nothing but there's nothing at all wrong with my nose (intuition) and I have always trusted it. My nose tells me something stinks to high heaven about all this Coronavirus stuff. My opinion, for what it's worth is that it's more to do with the economy. Whoever it is that runs this Earth and it ain't no politicians, is deliberately crashing the economies of the World. I am constantly asking myself why? I know one thing my nose tells me this is all a staged event, possibly an attempt to control the masses and you have to say so far it's pretty successful. How is this all going to be paid for in the long run? It can't!! It will mean a whole reset of the global financial system, a new beginning. A NEW WORLD ORDER!! - There it is, I said it. God help us all!!

And another thing, people were even before this not very friendly with strangers, not all of course. With all this social distancing, they are training people to be afraid of other people, not to look at them as potential friends but to look at them as real enemies, it's crazy.

That reminds me of that old saying: divide and conquer.

[XelNaga]

Here is a question that I would love to have answered by someone in the know.

If the coronavirus is biological warfare, why are children seemingly resistent to it? I would have thought that all people would have been susceptible across the board if so?

I will admit that I have not been reading any of the threads because I just don't have time to do so, but if someone could point me to a link, a post or the relevant research, I would be most grateful. :sun: :heart:An excellent, excellent question. (Of course! :bigsmile: :P )

Here are some bulletpoints, mixed with my own very tentative opinions and ideas.


It's not known why children don't seem to succumb. There's a ton of stuff which isn't yet known about the virus. It seems to do a lot of strange things that have taken virologists by surprise.



When reliable antibody tests are developed (only a matter of time), children will be right there on the list to be tested — to find out whether they never contracted it (if not, why not??), or whether millions of children were infected all over the world but somehow symptoms never developed.



I'm personally certain it's a weapon. One might guess at several reasons why children might not have been targeted — if the targeting was that accurate. (And it may not have been. The science of designing viruses to order might not be at all complete.)



Of course, this virus is so weird that maybe children are affected in important ways, but because symptoms rarely show, no-one right now might be paying any attention to what's invisibly happening to children at all. All the fast-tracked research is focused elsewhere. (One might imagine a science fiction film in which the children seem just totally fine, but 20 years later it's become clear that they're all sterile, or all those of one sex are. That'd be like a delayed-action catastrophe.



If a prime target was the economy, then children don't go to work (although schools are closed, a different societal impact, and on parents, too). One might imagine the opposite kind of pandemic, where mostly children were affected. That'd create far more emotional panic, but if adults were pretty much unaffected then maybe no lockdowns would have been necessary, nor all the personal tracking that's probably planned. Most toddlers don't have smartphones (though some do!!), or fly around the world spreading it everywhere.

Those are my best shots in just a few minutes. :) Maybe others have more ideas. Of course, this thread is the There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, so it might not be the best place for the discussion!

I posted this elsewhere, but it also belongs here because of the children question.
I heard a man in a video today discussing how it was impossible to transmit a virus between people, except by injection. This person generally appeared to be quite intelligent But that got me thinking about the origins of this pandemic. What if those who test positive for the virus did so only because they received an injection that included the virus, like in the last 24 months? Namely, those who received the normal flu season vaccine?!!! This might explain why young children don't appear to be infected, even now, and why people in aged care homes are highly infected (because probably in that setting flu vaccines are mandatory!)
All Chinese citizens supposedly received mandatory vaccines last December 1st (?) What was in those vaccines??? Can some independent researcher tells us what was in this past winter's flu vaccine in the U.S.? Also, since most medications now sold in America come from China, does that also mean our seasonal flu vaccines also come from China? If it was discovered that Covid-19 was included in this Chinese vaccination program, then that is possibly the reason why the Chinese are shutting down all investigations into the origins of the virus, as I write this. Furthermore, the Chinese government (and W.H.O. repeated) initially said the virus wasn't contagious. What if they were telling us the truth!

Now here is a wild theory: what if this virus wasn't spread through vaccines, what if it was spread through some everyday product?
For example, Coca-Cola is sold in almost entire world. So we put a little bit of virus in Coca-Cola, and there you go, we have an epidemic.

Just kidding. Or am I? :sherlock::tinfoil3::der:

[DaveToo]

Today I was in one of the wuhan virus line-ups, waiting my turn, practicing proper 'social distancing', when a person behind me asked me to move. I looked, it was an employee. The lane I was in was ten feet wide, I was to one side. This person made me walk to the wall and face it while she moved past me. She did likewise to the other ten people ahead of me. Gloves, mask, and a bottle of disinfectant at the ready...

Don't worry, those days may soon be a thing of the past.
Read this story:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/grocery-stores-coronavirus-pickup-delivery/index.html

[TomKat]

Now here is a wild theory: what if this virus wasn't spread through vaccines, what if it was spread through some everyday product?
For example, Coca-Cola is sold in almost entire world. So we put a little bit of virus in Coca-Cola, and there you go, we have an epidemic.

I've heard that the virus can't survive the stomach, it needs a better route, like the eyes or lungs.

[sms]

I would just say that, in this reality, the psychopaths at the positions of power (www.galaksija.is/images/f-off.jpg) are much more dangerous, than any virus!


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[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1350146][QUOTE=waves;1350139][QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1350110]



No I have not had a shot since I was around 8 years old. Nor have my kids ever had any vaccines of any kind. I do find it strange what Dr Judy says about it is already in the vaccines, rather I think having vaccines just makes your immune system weaker etc. We go for antibody testing on Tuesday and will find out about 48 hours later our status.

Can I ask which company provided that "antibody testing " at early April?

[Tangri]

She believes in the medical establishment and swears by their tests. Right now she is slowly getting worse while she waits for a chance to get another X-ray to prove she has an infection in her lungs.

When I was young I had pneumonia. My doctor listened to my breathing with a stethoscope and immediately rushed me to the hospital - double-lung pneumonia was diagnosed there. I spent two weeks in an oxygen tent. Nowadays, I guess doctors are not trained to use a stethoscope...an x-ray is required. But none are open and I don't want her to go to hospital to do it so we are stuck.

Her faith is in established medicine and their drugs. She wants her magic pill dispensed by the only authority she recognizes and the proper procedural remedy, test then dispense drugs...

Dear Ernie sorry to hear of your wife's deterioration.
Like you I gad double Pneumonia age ten, they cured it with penicillin --cant see why its not used now--it worked then.
I was seriously ill after an operation to remove spleen and I assume the injections were given for the pneumonia.
Chris

:blushing: Not all pneumonia cause bacteria are sensitive for penicillin.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/bacterial-pneumonia#1

https://www.webmd.com/lung/bacterial-pneumonia#1

[Ernie Nemeth]

Pretty hard to make a cure for something that doesn't exist, wouldn't you say?

The virus is a hoax.




Mod Note: This post and several other following posts were moved here from another thread, as this was a better home for them, so as you read along, if you find a post that seems "out of place" this is why.

[Frank V]

Pretty hard to make a cure for something that doesn't exist, wouldn't you say?

The virus is a hoax.

As it just so happens to be, I was afflicted with that "hoax" just a few weeks ago. And to top it off really nicely, I've got a training ─ and experience ─ in the medical field. I know what I've been through, and it was nothing like I had ever experienced before. A dear friend of mine had the same symptoms, but worse than mine. She couldn't even breathe anymore and she had to go to hospital.

Now, please refresh my memory... What exactly were your credentials again?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Aragon, sorry to hear of your illness, and your friend.

Thanks for the hard work you do here, I'm sure it's been stressful the last few days. And then I imagine there's work over at the other place as well.

Please do not try and demean me in that manner. You're not a doctor either, are you? And even if you were, so is Fauci. No need to say more. I have just as much right to my opinion as David Icke or you.

[Bill Ryan]

Aragon, sorry to hear of your illness, and your friend.

Thanks for the hard work you do here, I'm sure it's been stressful the last few days. And then I imagine there's work over at the other place as well.

Please do not try and demean me in that manner. You're not a doctor either, are you? And even if you were, so is Fauci. No need to say more. I have just as much right to my opinion as David Icke or you.Ernie, yes, you have a right to your opinion. Always. :highfive:

I think what happened was that your post above was a little dismissive. It was actually that that was rather demeaning (your word!), and then Frank was upset — of course.

So might anyone else be, like Hervé, if he reads this. (He thinks he had the virus, too, early last December. You may have read his detailed and interesting report, relayed via myself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1351925#post1351925) a couple of weeks ago.)

My personal opinion is that the virus is real and a bioweapon (I consider that there's overwhelming evidence for that), AND that the numbers are inflated, AND that there's a seriously dangerous, well-planned agenda afoot, AND that I definitely don't trust Fauci, AND that I definitely don't trust the WHO.

Maybe you and I can agree and shake hands on four out of five. :)

How about something like this, so as not to create division where we really don't need it?
"I have trouble believing this kind of report, which might be hard to accept or reconcile for anyone who strongly suspects the virus doesn't really exist."
:focus:

[Ernie Nemeth]

I see what you are saying. In context, however, and not to make excuses, I did post that just after watching the 3 hr Icke video. I was over-exuberant. For a moment I thought the virus had been proven false, and accepted that way. I have loved ones who also swear they have had the bug.

It's odd that some get this thing even though they are strong and healthy. That is concerning.

Rereading that post, I concede it sounds demeaning if taken out of context.

[Kryztian]

Pretty hard to make a cure for something that doesn't exist, wouldn't you say?

The virus is a hoax.

Ernie, the problem with this comment is that this you are raising a divisive issue which is tangential to what I was hoping would be discussed here, and it is the subject of atleast one other thread. I wrote this thread hoping people would discuss other topics: herbal cures, national efforts to stop the disease, media distortion of COVID-19 in foreign counties, etc. When your comment comes in at the top of the thread like this, it hijacks the thread.

And for the record, four of my closest friends have had what they believe is the corona virus. Three got through it in a few days and one had to make a short trip to the hospital. I watched the Icke video and am on board with most of what he has to say, that the handling of this virus by the mainstream media, Gates foundation, etc. is a hoax. But at the core of this is, that there is a real virus around and it is different from those in the years past and that it is part of what is now wreaking havoc upon the world, although people like Gates and Fauci and clearly the greater pestilence.

I appreciate that there are people who see this COVID/World Quarantine phenomena differently, and there is a place for all these different discussions on Avalon, and Avalon works best when we find the right place to say what we feel.

:focus:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks for the clarification. Never meant to derail your thread. I don't know what's going on either.

And it is a testament of how little science and so-called 'medicine' actually understand about life and health.

The 'cure' listed above, A Annua, similar to Wormwood sure sounds like Annunakian technology. Probably just a coincidence...

[Frank V]

I think what happened was that your post above was a little dismissive. It was actually that that was rather demeaning (your word!), and then Frank was upset — of course.

So might anyone else be, like Hervé, if he reads this. (He thinks he had the virus, too, early last December. You may have read his detailed and interesting report, relayed via myself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1351925#post1351925) a couple of weeks ago.)

I am absolutely convinced that Hervé had Covid-19. In addition to his oxygen deprivation, they found blood clots in his veins, and the SARS-CoV-2 virus does indeed do that. Among other things, that's what causes the spikes in blood pressure.


It's odd that some get this thing even though they are strong and healthy. That is concerning.

It's a really dirty virus. One of the first things it does is cripple your immune system ─ like a team of commandos sneaking into an enemy base and making sure the alarm systems, electrified fences, radar and air defense systems are offline first before the bombers arrive to level the base. Your immune system then responds by calling in a second line of defense, but this in turn is a bad thing, because this second line of defense is indiscriminate and also starts attacking your own cells. The whole thing severely weakens you, even if you were a very healthy person before.

Another aspect is that the ability of this virus to go after your immune system first is very similar to HIV, as well as to the original SARS virus that hit the world in the early 2000s (and to which it is related). That's why some of the Covid-19 patients were being administered AIDS inhibitors.

[Philippe]

[QUOTE=Ernie Nemeth;1354673]

So might anyone else be, like Hervé, if he reads this. (He thinks he had the virus, too, early last December. You may have read his detailed and interesting report, relayed via myself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1351925#post1351925) a couple of weeks ago.)

[/I][/INDENT]:focus:

I have pleaded that we have a right to know more of the lifestyle of Herve' that could have caused a thrombosis that in its turn would have affected the lungs. But we don't seem to have a right to know ! I do not accept firsthand that a bioweapon virus finds it way to a remote house of a hermit in Brittany. I think the dangers of a toxic mix of all kind of pollution and poisoning with a virus is giving very new sometimes deadly reactions on an already sick old population in mostly industrialized cities. These casualties are the ideal opportunity to increase the scare and danger of a badly identified virus for further vaccine marketing.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Part of the front line defense before any immune response is accepting the virus as not only real but devastating. I resist this meme into my mind and encourage others to do the same.

Fear and panic will do more damage than the virus. Reactions based in fear will do the opposite of that intended.

Its like the death sentence of being told you have cancer. DON"T tell me I have cancer even if I do - I stand a better chance of survival if I just deal with it on my own without ever knowing.

The idea of a mandatory vaccine coming to save the day cannot happen unless the fear of god is first introduced into the human psyche.

And since the medical establishment is a sordid bunch of rag-tag quacks anyway, the cure will be worse than the disease - guaranteed!

The virus may be real, okay? But the disaster that is looming in response will be unprecedented.

We must guard against the PLAN, at any and all costs.

[greybeard]

Agree agreed Ernie.
What virus--not clearly identified yet -- tests --thay have admitted they are inadequate.
The "cure" lockdown, will cause more deaths and great hardship to many.
The cure worse than any "virus"
Since when have we had lockdown as a cure for even the worst virus and there have been some severe ones?
N0 as Ernie has said "We must guard against the PLAN, at any and all costs."

[Luke Holiday]

No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided.

Well, here's some. The virus has been sequenced 1,204 times since December 2019. (Maybe more by the time you read this!)



https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs


I'll leave it to you to read the research papers. I'm sure you will!

:)
Is it OK to respond if I have a rebuttal.. I am not sure based on what appears to be intended sarcasm? ex. I'm sure you will!Yes, I was making the point. You didn't even try to look. I found all that in about two minutes, maybe three. (And I did read the first paper, too.)

You're making flat statements — "No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided" — that sound cool and reasonable, but are actually 100% false and incorrect.

Take more care with your posts. You didn't even write "As best I know, no proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided."

You're trying to sound like an authority, and you're not.

A Vital Paper: David Crowe challenges the discovery of the COVID-19 virus
Apr
24
by Jon Rappoport
by Jon Rappoport
April 24, 2020
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Canadian author and independent researcher, David Crowe, has spent several decades analyzing and torpedoing SPECIFICS of conventional medical research. At the deepest level.

I’m talking about, for example, the mainstream claims of discovering new viruses.
Crowe doesn’t lay on vague brushstrokes. He goes to the core of fabrications and exposes them, chapter and verse.

His new paper, which he continues to update and expand, is: “Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory”.

(For David Crowe’s paper that challenges the accuracy of COVID-19 antibody testing, click here.)

Here I quote from the section of his paper where he takes up the question of discovery—have researchers actually found a new virus which they assert is the cause of a new pandemic, COVID-19?

At the end of this article, I list the published papers Crowe refers to by number, as he takes apart the very basis of the COVID illusion.

David Crowe: “Scientists are detecting novel RNA in multiple patients with pneumonia-like conditions, and are assuming that the detection of RNA (which is believed to be wrapped in proteins to form an RNA virus, as coronaviruses are believed to be) is equivalent to isolation of the virus. It is not, and one of the groups of scientists was honest enough to admit this”:

“’we did not perform tests for detecting infectious virus in blood’” [2]

“But, despite this admission, earlier in the paper they repeatedly referred to the 41 cases (out of 59 similar cases) that tested positive for this RNA as, ‘41 patients…confirmed to be infected with 2019-nCoV’.”

“Another paper quietly admitted that”:

“’our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates’” [1]

“Koch’s postulates, first stated by the great German bacteriologist Robert Koch in the late 1800s, can simply be stated as”:

“* Purify the pathogen (e.g. virus) from many cases with a particular illness.

* Expose susceptible animals (obviously not humans) to the pathogen.

Verify that the same illness is produced.
* Some add that you should also re-purify the pathogen, just to be sure that it really is creating the illness.”

“Famous virologist Thomas Rivers stated in a 1936 speech, ‘It is obvious that Koch’s postulates have not been satisfied in viral diseases’.

That was a long time ago, but the same problem still continues. None of the papers referenced in this article have even attempted to purify the virus. And the word ‘isolation’ has been so debased by virologists it means nothing (e.g. adding impure materials to a cell culture and seeing cell death is ‘isolation’).”

“Reference [1] did publish electron [microscope] micrographs, but it can clearly be seen in the lesser magnified photo, that the particles believed to be coronavirus are not purified as the quantity of material that is cellular is much greater. The paper notes that the photos are from ‘human airway epithelial cells’. Also consider that the photo included in the article will certainly be the ‘best’ photo, i.e. the one with the greatest number of particles. Lab technicians may be encouraged to spend hours to look around to find the most photogenic image, the one that most looks like pure virus.”

“There is no way to tell that the RNA being used in the new coronavirus PCR test is found in those particles seen under the electron micrograph. There is no connection between the test, and the particles, and no proof that the particles are viral.”

“A similar situation was revealed in March 1997 concerning HIV, when two papers published in the same issue of the journal ‘Virology’ revealed that the vast majority of what had previously been called ‘pure HIV’ was impurities that were clearly not HIV, and the mixture also included microvesicles that look very similar to HIV under an electron microscope, but are of cellular origin.” [5][6]

References:
1. Zhu N et al. A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019. N Engl J Med. 2020 Jan 14.
* https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017
2. Huang C et al. Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China. Lancet.2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext
3. Chan J F-W et al. A familial cluster of pneumonia associated with the 2019 novel coronavirus indicating person-to-person transmission: a study of a family cluster. Lancet. 2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext
4. Rivers TM. Viruses and Koch’s Postulates. J Bacteriol. 1937 Jan; 33(1): 1-12.
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545348/
5. Gluschankof P et al. Cell membrane vesicles are a major contaminant of gradient-enriched human immunodeficiency virus type-1 preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 125- 133.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/277-Microvesicles-Gluschankof.pdf
6. Bess JW et al. Microvesicles Are a Source of Contaminating Cellular Proteins Found in Purified HIV-1 Preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 134- 44.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/278
—end of Crowe article excerpt—
In a half-sane world, David Crowe’s analysis would provoke an open honest discussion and debate among all sorts of scientists and researchers, and the repressed truth would tumble out and be confirmed.
Of course, we do not live in that world.
Instead, we have mistake-prone researchers and outright liars welcomed into the hallowed pages of medical journals. They are enabled by editors who look the other way.
The consequences, of course, aren’t merely academic.
A planet can be placed on lockdown.
Do I really need to say this at this late date—without the discovery of an actual disease-causing virus, the whole “pandemic” falls apart. The whole “spreading virus” assertion falls apart.



...Take more care with your post...


Luke

[Bill Ryan]

No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided.

Well, here's some. The virus has been sequenced 1,204 times since December 2019. (Maybe more by the time you read this!)


https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs

I'll leave it to you to read the research papers. I'm sure you will!

:)
Is it OK to respond if I have a rebuttal.. I am not sure based on what appears to be intended sarcasm? ex. I'm sure you will!Yes, I was making the point. You didn't even try to look. I found all that in about two minutes, maybe three. (And I did read the first paper, too.)

You're making flat statements — "No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided" — that sound cool and reasonable, but are actually 100% false and incorrect.

Take more care with your posts. You didn't even write "As best I know, no proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided."

You're trying to sound like an authority, and you're not.

A Vital Paper: David Crowe challenges the discovery of the COVID-19 virus
Apr
24
by Jon Rappoport
by Jon Rappoport
April 24, 2020
(To join our email list, click here.)

Canadian author and independent researcher, David Crowe, has spent several decades analyzing and torpedoing SPECIFICS of conventional medical research. At the deepest level.

I’m talking about, for example, the mainstream claims of discovering new viruses.
Crowe doesn’t lay on vague brushstrokes. He goes to the core of fabrications and exposes them, chapter and verse.

His new paper, which he continues to update and expand, is: “Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory”.

(For David Crowe’s paper that challenges the accuracy of COVID-19 antibody testing, click here.)

Here I quote from the section of his paper where he takes up the question of discovery—have researchers actually found a new virus which they assert is the cause of a new pandemic, COVID-19?

At the end of this article, I list the published papers Crowe refers to by number, as he takes apart the very basis of the COVID illusion.

David Crowe: “Scientists are detecting novel RNA in multiple patients with pneumonia-like conditions, and are assuming that the detection of RNA (which is believed to be wrapped in proteins to form an RNA virus, as coronaviruses are believed to be) is equivalent to isolation of the virus. It is not, and one of the groups of scientists was honest enough to admit this”:

“’we did not perform tests for detecting infectious virus in blood’” [2]

“But, despite this admission, earlier in the paper they repeatedly referred to the 41 cases (out of 59 similar cases) that tested positive for this RNA as, ‘41 patients…confirmed to be infected with 2019-nCoV’.”

“Another paper quietly admitted that”:

“’our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates’” [1]

“Koch’s postulates, first stated by the great German bacteriologist Robert Koch in the late 1800s, can simply be stated as”:

“* Purify the pathogen (e.g. virus) from many cases with a particular illness.

* Expose susceptible animals (obviously not humans) to the pathogen.

Verify that the same illness is produced.
* Some add that you should also re-purify the pathogen, just to be sure that it really is creating the illness.”

“Famous virologist Thomas Rivers stated in a 1936 speech, ‘It is obvious that Koch’s postulates have not been satisfied in viral diseases’.

That was a long time ago, but the same problem still continues. None of the papers referenced in this article have even attempted to purify the virus. And the word ‘isolation’ has been so debased by virologists it means nothing (e.g. adding impure materials to a cell culture and seeing cell death is ‘isolation’).”

“Reference [1] did publish electron [microscope] micrographs, but it can clearly be seen in the lesser magnified photo, that the particles believed to be coronavirus are not purified as the quantity of material that is cellular is much greater. The paper notes that the photos are from ‘human airway epithelial cells’. Also consider that the photo included in the article will certainly be the ‘best’ photo, i.e. the one with the greatest number of particles. Lab technicians may be encouraged to spend hours to look around to find the most photogenic image, the one that most looks like pure virus.”

“There is no way to tell that the RNA being used in the new coronavirus PCR test is found in those particles seen under the electron micrograph. There is no connection between the test, and the particles, and no proof that the particles are viral.”

“A similar situation was revealed in March 1997 concerning HIV, when two papers published in the same issue of the journal ‘Virology’ revealed that the vast majority of what had previously been called ‘pure HIV’ was impurities that were clearly not HIV, and the mixture also included microvesicles that look very similar to HIV under an electron microscope, but are of cellular origin.” [5][6]

References:
1. Zhu N et al. A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019. N Engl J Med. 2020 Jan 14.
* https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017
2. Huang C et al. Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China. Lancet.2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext
3. Chan J F-W et al. A familial cluster of pneumonia associated with the 2019 novel coronavirus indicating person-to-person transmission: a study of a family cluster. Lancet. 2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext
4. Rivers TM. Viruses and Koch’s Postulates. J Bacteriol. 1937 Jan; 33(1): 1-12.
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545348/
5. Gluschankof P et al. Cell membrane vesicles are a major contaminant of gradient-enriched human immunodeficiency virus type-1 preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 125- 133.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/277-Microvesicles-Gluschankof.pdf
6. Bess JW et al. Microvesicles Are a Source of Contaminating Cellular Proteins Found in Purified HIV-1 Preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 134- 44.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/278
—end of Crowe article excerpt—
In a half-sane world, David Crowe’s analysis would provoke an open honest discussion and debate among all sorts of scientists and researchers, and the repressed truth would tumble out and be confirmed.
Of course, we do not live in that world.
Instead, we have mistake-prone researchers and outright liars welcomed into the hallowed pages of medical journals. They are enabled by editors who look the other way.
The consequences, of course, aren’t merely academic.
A planet can be placed on lockdown.
Do I really need to say this at this late date—without the discovery of an actual disease-causing virus, the whole “pandemic” falls apart. The whole “spreading virus” assertion falls apart.



...Take more care with your post...


Luke

That David Crowe paper is about testing. Not about the existence of the virus.

[Ernie Nemeth]

So, I looked at the data.

Although it is incomprehensible without some sort of key...

The genome sequences for the virus are all different, not one repeating.

Of course the sequences have letters in there that I don't understand - it wasn't all G C T As.

[XelNaga]

Dear Avalonians,

I'm wondering how much our psyche can influence whether we will get the "virus" or not.

Many diseases can be caught, prevented, or cured depending on our state of mind alone.

So for those of you who know people who got sick, would you say they are fearful? Did they let all this "propaganda" get to them deeply?

Thanks..

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Dear Avalonians,

I'm wondering how much our psyche can influence whether we will get the "virus" or not.

Many diseases can be caught, prevented, or cured depending on our state of mind alone.

So for those of you who know people who got sick, would you say they are fearful? Did they let all this "propaganda" get to them deeply?

Thanks..

I believe this is part of the key to this infectious agent. Our biomorphic field resonates with a frequency that is a result of many things - what we eat, our emotional state, our thoughts and our intentions. In my observation, there is a nearly "intelligent" aspect to this phenomenon. I believe that the bioengineered aspect has an "AI" type component. I am not sure entirely how it works, of course, but I feel it is VERY advanced in that way. It is not a traditional virus, and as we try to apply our traditional understanding to its effects and transmissibility, we are hitting a variety of contradictions.

If, indeed, it is bioengineered, we are perhaps confronting an agent that behaves in an unfamiliar way. Traditional methods of prevention and treatment are stymied because the agent takes hold different ways in different populations. It may be helpful to open our minds to this possibility.

[Luke Holiday]

No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided.

Well, here's some. The virus has been sequenced 1,204 times since December 2019. (Maybe more by the time you read this!)


https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs

I'll leave it to you to read the research papers. I'm sure you will!

:)
Is it OK to respond if I have a rebuttal.. I am not sure based on what appears to be intended sarcasm? ex. I'm sure you will!Yes, I was making the point. You didn't even try to look. I found all that in about two minutes, maybe three. (And I did read the first paper, too.)

You're making flat statements — "No proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided" — that sound cool and reasonable, but are actually 100% false and incorrect.

Take more care with your posts. You didn't even write "As best I know, no proof that a virus has been isolated has been provided."

You're trying to sound like an authority, and you're not.

A Vital Paper: David Crowe challenges the discovery of the COVID-19 virus
Apr
24
by Jon Rappoport
by Jon Rappoport
April 24, 2020
(To join our email list, click here.)

Canadian author and independent researcher, David Crowe, has spent several decades analyzing and torpedoing SPECIFICS of conventional medical research. At the deepest level.

I’m talking about, for example, the mainstream claims of discovering new viruses.
Crowe doesn’t lay on vague brushstrokes. He goes to the core of fabrications and exposes them, chapter and verse.

His new paper, which he continues to update and expand, is: “Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory”.

(For David Crowe’s paper that challenges the accuracy of COVID-19 antibody testing, click here.)

Here I quote from the section of his paper where he takes up the question of discovery—have researchers actually found a new virus which they assert is the cause of a new pandemic, COVID-19?

At the end of this article, I list the published papers Crowe refers to by number, as he takes apart the very basis of the COVID illusion.

David Crowe: “Scientists are detecting novel RNA in multiple patients with pneumonia-like conditions, and are assuming that the detection of RNA (which is believed to be wrapped in proteins to form an RNA virus, as coronaviruses are believed to be) is equivalent to isolation of the virus. It is not, and one of the groups of scientists was honest enough to admit this”:

“’we did not perform tests for detecting infectious virus in blood’” [2]

“But, despite this admission, earlier in the paper they repeatedly referred to the 41 cases (out of 59 similar cases) that tested positive for this RNA as, ‘41 patients…confirmed to be infected with 2019-nCoV’.”

“Another paper quietly admitted that”:

“’our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates’” [1]

“Koch’s postulates, first stated by the great German bacteriologist Robert Koch in the late 1800s, can simply be stated as”:

“* Purify the pathogen (e.g. virus) from many cases with a particular illness.

* Expose susceptible animals (obviously not humans) to the pathogen.

Verify that the same illness is produced.
* Some add that you should also re-purify the pathogen, just to be sure that it really is creating the illness.”

“Famous virologist Thomas Rivers stated in a 1936 speech, ‘It is obvious that Koch’s postulates have not been satisfied in viral diseases’.

That was a long time ago, but the same problem still continues. None of the papers referenced in this article have even attempted to purify the virus. And the word ‘isolation’ has been so debased by virologists it means nothing (e.g. adding impure materials to a cell culture and seeing cell death is ‘isolation’).”

“Reference [1] did publish electron [microscope] micrographs, but it can clearly be seen in the lesser magnified photo, that the particles believed to be coronavirus are not purified as the quantity of material that is cellular is much greater. The paper notes that the photos are from ‘human airway epithelial cells’. Also consider that the photo included in the article will certainly be the ‘best’ photo, i.e. the one with the greatest number of particles. Lab technicians may be encouraged to spend hours to look around to find the most photogenic image, the one that most looks like pure virus.”

“There is no way to tell that the RNA being used in the new coronavirus PCR test is found in those particles seen under the electron micrograph. There is no connection between the test, and the particles, and no proof that the particles are viral.”

“A similar situation was revealed in March 1997 concerning HIV, when two papers published in the same issue of the journal ‘Virology’ revealed that the vast majority of what had previously been called ‘pure HIV’ was impurities that were clearly not HIV, and the mixture also included microvesicles that look very similar to HIV under an electron microscope, but are of cellular origin.” [5][6]

References:
1. Zhu N et al. A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019. N Engl J Med. 2020 Jan 14.
* https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017
2. Huang C et al. Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China. Lancet.2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext
3. Chan J F-W et al. A familial cluster of pneumonia associated with the 2019 novel coronavirus indicating person-to-person transmission: a study of a family cluster. Lancet. 2020 Jan 24.
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext
4. Rivers TM. Viruses and Koch’s Postulates. J Bacteriol. 1937 Jan; 33(1): 1-12.
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545348/
5. Gluschankof P et al. Cell membrane vesicles are a major contaminant of gradient-enriched human immunodeficiency virus type-1 preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 125- 133.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/277-Microvesicles-Gluschankof.pdf
6. Bess JW et al. Microvesicles Are a Source of Contaminating Cellular Proteins Found in Purified HIV-1 Preparations. Virology. 1997 Mar 31; 230(1): 134- 44.
* http://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/papers/278
—end of Crowe article excerpt—
In a half-sane world, David Crowe’s analysis would provoke an open honest discussion and debate among all sorts of scientists and researchers, and the repressed truth would tumble out and be confirmed.
Of course, we do not live in that world.
Instead, we have mistake-prone researchers and outright liars welcomed into the hallowed pages of medical journals. They are enabled by editors who look the other way.
The consequences, of course, aren’t merely academic.
A planet can be placed on lockdown.
Do I really need to say this at this late date—without the discovery of an actual disease-causing virus, the whole “pandemic” falls apart. The whole “spreading virus” assertion falls apart.



...Take more care with your post...


Luke

That David Crowe paper is about testing. Not about the existence of the virus.

… IF you read the article you will find: because of the gross/glaring problems with the testing the idendity of the virus causing the said symptom complex cannot be declared as being made.

In order for the said virus to be proven identified it has to be proven pathogenic - and this has not been done- this is basis for the article.

The funny thing is … you are asking me to be more careful in my posts ?

Luke

[Bo Atkinson]

Here is a remarkable rounding up of longstanding challenges to

the "germ theory",
all on one page. The one-only video link which I tried so far, was equally remarkable, by a self proclaimed child-prodigy-type, also disputing or replacing the current medical model of viruses, (and the page discusses treatment by preventing fear).
https://johnscottconsciousness.com/germ-theory/?fbclid=IwAR2PsHtCzpjz2WCgV9b_MqUWwSdcMYSVT7bbbe22 E1VfTH9aPUcIDRzKM5s
Thanks everyone here, but what also strikes me everywhere, is that "one shoe does not fit all" idea, where the medical governance would treat all equally, through it's venal hubris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1edeMsLFDnI

[kfm27917]

Nobel Prize Winner: Lockdowns Are "A Huge Mistake"

Authored by Edward Peter Stringham via The American Institute for Economic research,

Michael Levitt is Professor of computer science and structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry.
He has been a close observer of the pandemic and the response from the outset through its movement to Europe, the U.K., and the U.S.. Last month, speaking to the Unherd podcast and youtube channel, he offered some compelling thoughts and observers, and a striking conclusion.
Below is a transcript of the parts I found most relevant.

Q: So you noticed that the curve was less of an exponential curve than we might have feared, in those early days?

A: In some ways there was never any exponential growth from the minute I looked at it, there were never any two days that had exactly the same growth rate — and they were getting slow…of course you could have non exponential growth where every single day they’re getting more than exponential — but the growth was always sub-exponential. So that’s the first step.

Q: [In the UK] we talk endlessly about the R-rate — the reproduction rate — and apparently that began very high, maybe as high as 3, and … [we’ve now] got it down below 1 in the UK. Intuitively, if there’s a high reproduction rate, you should see that exponential curve just going up and up.

A: Well no, wait, okay. The R-0, which is very popular, is in some ways a faulty number. Let me explain why. The rate of growth doesn’t depend on R-0. It depends on R-0 and the time you are infectious. So if you are twice as long infectious and have half the R-0 you’ll get exactly the same growth rate. This is sort of intuitive, but it’s not explained, and therefore it seems to me that I would say at the present time R-0 became important because of a lot of movies — it was very popular — talked about R-0.

Epidemiologists talk about R-0 but, looking at all the mathematics, you have to specify the time infectious at the same time to have any meaning. The other problem is that R-0 decreases — we don’t know why R-0 decreases. It could be social distancing, it could be prior immunity, it could be hidden cases.

Q: You’ve been observing the shapes of these curves and how the R-0 number tends to come down and the curve tends to flatten in some kind of natural way regardless of intervention. Is that what you are observing?

A: We don’t know. I think the big test is going to be Sweden. Sweden is practicing a level of social distancing that is keeping children in schools, keeping people at work. They are obviously having more deaths in countries like Israel or Austria that are practicing very very strict social distancing but I think it is not a crazy policy. The reason I felt that social distancing was unimportant is practicing very very strict social distancing, but I think it is not a crazy policy.

The reason I felt that social distancing was unimportant is that I had two examples in China to start with and then we had the additional examples. The first one was South Korea (yeah), and Iran, and Italy. The beginning of all the epidemics showing a slowing down, and it was very hard for me to believe that those three countries could practice social-distancing as well as China. China was amazing, especially outside Hubei, in that they had no additional outbreaks. People left Hubei, they were very carefully tracked, had to wear face masks all the time, had to take their temperatures all the time, and there were no further outbreaks.

So this did not happen in either in South Korea or in Italy or in Iran. Now, two months later something else suggests that social distancing might not be important, and that is that the total number of deaths we’re seeing in New York City, in parts of England, in parts of France, in northern Italy — all seem to stop at about the same direction of the population so are they all practicing equally good social distancing? I don’t think so.

The problem I think is outbreaks occurring in different regions. I think social distancing that stops people moving from London to Manchester is probably a really good idea. My feeling is that in London, and in New York City, all the people who got infected, all got infected before anybody noticed. There’s no way that the infection grew so quickly in New York City without the infection spreading very quickly. So one of the key things is to stop people, who know that they’re sick, from infecting the others. Here again, China has three very, very important advantages that are not high-tech that don’t involve security tracking of telephones.

What they involve is, number one, the tradition in China for years, of wearing a face mask when you’re sick. As soon as the coronavirus started everybody wore a face mask. It doesn’t have to be a hygienic face mask it just has to be a face covering to stop you spraying saliva, micro droplets of saliva on somebody you talk to. The second thing in China is that because they were so scared of the SARS epidemic in most airports, stations where you pay tolls et cetera, there are thermometers. Infrared thermometers that that measure your temperature. So having your temperature measured at every single store entrance — either with a handheld thermometer or with something mounted on the wall — is something completely standard in China. And the third thing is that almost all payments in China are made not using a credit card, so in some senses it is very much easier there to practice social distancing. Of course, in addition they know where people are.

Q: What’s your view of the lockdown policy that so many European countries and states in America have introduced?

A: I think it is a huge mistake. I think we need smart lockdowns. If we were to do this again, we would probably insist on face masks, hand sanitizers, and some kind of payment that did not involve touching right from the very beginning. This would slow down new outbreaks and I think that for example they found as I understand, that children, even if they’re infected, never infect adults, so why do we not have children at school? Why do we not have people working? England, France, Italy, Sweden, Belgium, Holland, are all reaching levels of saturation that are going to be very, very close to herd immunity — So that’s a good thing. I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track — before they were fed wrong numbers and they made a huge mistake.

I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn’t practice too much lock down, they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity. The standout losers are countries like Austria, Australia, Israel that actually had very very strict lockdowns but didn’t have many cases. So they have damaged their economies, caused massive social damage, damaged the educational year of their children, but not obtained any herd immunity.

I think in many ways the European countries are fine. They didn’t need to have lockdown but they have all reached a high enough level of infection not to have to worry about further future attacks of coronavirus. The United States seems to be heading that way, they’re certainly that way in New York City but they still have a long way to go

Q: What you’re saying is that, you believe success — as we are currently measuring it which is as few cases as possible and as small a spread of the virus as possible — is actually failure?

A: I think if you really control your epidemic, for example, California, it’s now had lockdowns for six weeks, and wants another four weeks, they have so far less than a hundred deaths, that means they don’t have more (let’s say a hundred thousand) in people, that is not enough to give them significant herd immunity. They didn’t need to do all that lock down.

The lockdown is particularly hurtful in countries that don’t have good social infrastructure, countries like the United States and Israel. Many, many people have been really really hurt — especially young people. You know I think that everybody panicked — they were fed incorrect numbers by epidemiologists and you know this I think led to led to a situation.

There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdowns will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor. One very easy way to see this is, and again I am getting into a sensitive territory here, but economists have a very simple way of looking at death. They don’t count people. They come to the conclusion that if you’re 20 and you die that’s a greater loss than if you’re 85 and you die. It’s a hard issue, but in some ways are we valuing the potential future life of the 20 year old? Are we valuing the loss of more senior persons by what’s called daily disability-adjusted life years. Basically if somebody is in their 80s, has Alzheimer’s disease, and then dies from pneumonia (perhaps due to corona) that is less of a loss than if a 15 year old is riding his motorcycle bike and gets run over. This is an important way of looking at death.

It’s also you know, right now, the number of excess deaths is around 130,000 up to yesterday, [May 1st]. This is for all of Europe, for a population of around 330 million people. So an excess of 100,000 for this whole year, is actually not that much. In some of the worst flu epidemics we get to those kinds of numbers — sometimes it’s a bit more, sometimes a little bit less.

Now, I’m not saying flu is like coronavirus, I’m just simply saying that the burden of death of flu is like coronavirus. Especially when we correct for the fact that people who die from coronavirus are older on average than people who died from flu. Flu kills young people, it kills two or three times more people under 65 than does coronavirus. If we put those facts into the situation we find that the burden of death from coronavirus and Phillip Shaw will, in Europe, where we have good numbers in less than that of a very flu.

Another factor which has not been considered are all the cancer patients who aren’t being treated, or all the heart cardiology patients who aren’t being treated. I’ve got estimates of tens of thousands of people who are basically going to be dying because of lack of that treatment — and generally again the age group who die of cancer are younger than the age group who die of coronavirus.

There’s one very easy way to sort of summarize coronavirus. I put an article in the medium by the pretty famous British statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter of Cambridge [University] and he had said that the numbers coming from Ferguson suggested that we had to lose about one year of people. It turns out that I immediately wrote an article in the same medium and replied to him, saying that in fact the answer was actually one month, not one year. So basically my feeling is, and it’s being supported by the numbers, is that the amount of excess death you need to reach saturation, I’m not going to call it herd immunity, where the virus by itself stops, is on the order of four weeks of excess. Now to give you some idea in the European area where there is good monitoring, by a website called EuroMoMo, run out of Denmark, which covers about 300 million people. Every week in Europe in that area there’s around 50,000 natural deaths. So in four weeks there will be about 200,000 extra deaths in that year — and it looks like coronavirus in Europe where it’s no doubt that it’s the most severely hit area in the world — we’ll probably reach around 200,000 or 4 weeks worth.

Q: So what happens if what you’re saying is there’s a sort of statistical observation which is around four weeks of excess death and then the pandemic seems to peter out, or begin to flatten out. What does that mean policy-wise for these European countries then?

A: If we could protect the old people perfectly, then the death rates would be very, very low. So for example in Europe there were about 140,000 excess deaths in the last nine weeks. The number of those excess deaths who are younger than 65 is about 10%. So basically 13,000 of 130,000 deaths are actually under 65 years old and if we had simply been able to protect elderly people then the death rate would have been much much less. But the key thing is to have as much infection for as little possible death and also do whatever you can to keep the hospitals full but not overflowing. It’s a difficult calculation and the trouble is that in Sweden there’s no political concerns.

The trouble is is that in Israel and I know as well in the United States, everything is political and therefore nobody could say something like this. They would say, “Ah, but you are not valuing death — the thing that should have been done is for the media to stress to people that everyday somebody dies. These people are essentially in the same age band, and they die from Corona and other comorbidities, other diseases.

I’ve become a huge fan of Twitter. I’d never used twitter before and for me Twitter is the best discussion forum I had seen since I was a student at the Cambridge Laboratory of Natural Biology. Which is a 26 Nobel Prize winning lab. The best lab in the world. The Twitter discussion is phenomenal and I’m getting documents from Italy showing that many of the Covid deaths were either dead before they were tested or else they had up to three other conditions. There is nothing wrong with this, people die for all sorts of reasons, but the news should be stressing this and maybe they should be counting it as a 0.1 Covid death.

Countries seem to be racing to have as many Covid deaths as they could, and this is a huge mistake. In the flu season no one cares about these people. I mean, the total number of Covid deaths in Europe will be very similar to a severe flu season, and you know, this is serious. Flu is a serious disease. Maybe we should just shut down the economy during the flu season. I mean people should have been made to understand it. Unfortunately I think in Britain they started out wanting to go for herd immunity without too much lockdown, there was then a scary paper — which is likely to be retracted — which influenced Italy as well where basically it was claimed they were — [Interviewer interrupts]

Q: I know you had some specific queries about Neil Ferguson’s paper; we had him on the show last week. So, what did you think he got wrong in those models and predictions?

A: His work was on modelling, and around the 10th of February he had his first paper (that I saw) and in there he was getting a case fatality ratio of around 15%, whereas all my observations were saying that it was around three or four percent. So I was suspicious: I looked at the paper very carefully and in a footnote to a table it said “assuming exponential growth for six days at fifteen percent a day.” Now, I had looked at China, and never, ever seen exponential growth that wasn’t decaying rapidly so I was suspicious. My numbers were 10% of the numbers that Ferguson had obtained. I pointed this out, in a reply in the medium — which was out there, it’s clear nobody has ever seen it but it’s there, and I didn’t hide it it just didn’t get any likes and this said that it was much more like one month than one year and have an exchange with Spiegelhalta and Ferguson, where I tried to show my case.

But all I was doing was just simple proportionality using exactly the same profile of — different ages have different death rates, so there’s a profile saying that people over 80 have a certain fraction of the disk [deaths] people between 17 and 80 have a different fraction — just using that data… and simply saying we want the number of deaths that occurred on the Diamond Princess to be the same number that we found which was 7 or 8. If you do that, and then you apply that proportionality to Britain and the USA, you find that for Britain the half a million drops to about 50,000 and in the United States the two million drops to 200,000. Essentially a year dropping to a month.

Q: And so the the argument that is made here is that whether you believe the infection fatality rate is point three percent or whether you believe it’s point eight percent there is still a big chunk of the population, the majority population who hasn’t had been exposed to the disease or hasn’t had it and therefore if we just let it rip there will be many many tens possibly even further hundreds according to Professor Ferguson of thousands of deaths and that’s why it’s politically totally not an option to be at do anything other than follow this ultra cautious approach.What do you say to that?

A: The World Health Organization, and epidemiologists in general, can only go wrong if they give [politicians] a number smaller. If I said it’s going to be 1 billion deaths from coronavirus and it’s, “oh, you guys have done what I’ve said and there’s only gonna be a hundred thousands,” that is considered good policy. They overestimated bird flu by a factor of a hundred, or ten thousand in The Guardian. The Guardian wrote about this. Ebola was overestimated by a factor of 100 I think. They see their role as scaring people into doing something. I can understand that and there’s something to be said for it. If you could practice lock down with zero economic costs, and zero social costs — let’s do it. But the trouble is that those costs are huge, we’re gonna have fatalities from hospitals being closed down, additional children in trauma, businesses damaged — maybe less so in the UK because of the compensation policy — but certainly massive economic damage in the USA and in Israel, and in other countries. So you need to balance both of these things.

That is what I don’t think is responsible. In my work if I say a number is too small and I’m wrong or a number is too big and I’m wrong, both of those errors are the same. If I’m 10 percent too high or 10 percent too low that is okay. It seems that being a factor of a thousand too high is perfectly okay in epidemiology, but being a factor of three too low, is too low.

Q: I’m trying to think about what this means for the UK and for these countries that are trying to work out what to do next.Is your view then having looked at the numbers that if we had not implemented lockdown we would have seen a fall off anyway is that a fair summary?

A: We could have had smart lockdown. Sweden, for example, doesn’t allow gatherings of more than 50 people. I think a football game would be a really bad idea right now, because people shout and therefore spray saliva on everyone around them, and they could infect a lot of people. But you know Sweden is doing fine, their deaths again are very localized to nursing homes, like they are in England — it’s the same profile.

I think that you know again it’s Sweden so all the evidence suggests that. So my contradiction is the following: Britain, if they had done nothing would have had reported deaths. Now remember there’s a difference of reported death, my numbers are all reported. This would have four weeks of additional reported death when the numbers actually came in from what were the real axis death. My guess is they would be less than that so it would not have been double. It wasn’t in the month but maybe one and three quarters or so on. So that is my feeling — we’re seeing this in Europe we will know the answer in three or four weeks time. We will know for all of Europe exactly what the excess death of coronavirus was, right now it’s a hundred and thirty seven thousand.

Q: Do you find when you’ve been making these points — in the media that you received a lot of backlash? Do you think there’s a lot of political pressure, as an academic and as an academic you know they’re one of your colleagues in Stanford dr. Ioannidis has also put out studies that seem to become skeptical and has received a lot of political blowback.

A: I went on CNN once when he was CNN Vicky Anderson out of London. I appeared on Fox News a couple of times basically said this is all just common sense because I appeared on Fox News CNN wouldn’t have me anymore. So basically I have had very clear of things. I had one article in the Los Angeles Times which did great but since I was not saying things that were too extreme none of the East Coast newspapers wanted me, they quoted me, but they wouldn’t have me. What’s disconcerting is, a few of my academic colleagues — even relatives — were very upset with me. Because in my earlier writing I published a report, the medium report from the 22nd of March but on the 13th or 14th of March I distributed a 19 page report,and three academics got very upset with me. I think they were totally panicked, and they felt that if anyone thought this was true they wouldn’t lock down as tightly as they should, I’m in fact friends with all the people again, there are no hard feelings.

Q: Let me leave you with one final question: what’s your prognosis, what do you think is now gonna happen with this… what happens next?

A: There will be a reckoning. Maybe countries will start to see that they need governments that are not necessarily great in rhetoric, but actually thinking and doing. I often go back and think about what Socrates said 2,400 years ago: use your common sense instead of listening to the rhetoric of leaders. We have become very influenced by [rhetoric] that. I think this is another foul-up on the part of the baby boomers.

I am a real baby-boomer, I was born in 1947, and I think we’ve really screwed up. We cause pollution, we allowed the world’s population to increase three-fold, we’ve caused the problems of global warming, we’ve left your generation with a real mess in order to save a really small number of very old people. If I was a young person now, I would say, “now you guys are gonna pay for this.”

We have my family whatsapp and very early on I said this is a virus being designed to get rid of the baby boomers. You know I don’t know, I think my wife thinks this is going to be a take it to the streets thing,and we’re gonna have the young people on the street saying you guys have really screwed up it’s time to go. And I always joke with her, saying well at least I’ve made lots of friends among the young people, I’ll be okay.

But quite frankly you know I’ve had a great life, and I must say this to all the young faces in front of me. I have a grandson who’s 17. I’d much rather have young people live for a very long time. That said I do have a mother who’s a hundred and five years old living in London with my brother, she’s in lockdown and I talk to her by whatsapp every single day on FaceTime, and she’s fine. She still uses her phone and so on so you know these differences but…

You guys should get out there and do something don’t accept this anymore we screwed up too much

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[marielle]

Catherine Austin Fitts just released a 10 minute video called "The Fallacies of Germ Theory with Dr. Thomas Cowan".

I know that some on this forum feel that questioning germ theory is as crazy as thinking the earth is flat but I find it interesting that Catherine is now "going there".

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[AutumnW]

Scientist behind Sweden's Covid 19 Response Admits it Allowed Too Many Deaths

“I know that many countries looked at Sweden as a good example of an open society. We had a relatively low number of cases. And then it started to skyrocket. We understood absolutely nothing,” he said.

Olsen said the Swedish approach had been spurred by a mistaken belief that the virus that causes covid-19 behaves like the seasonal flu, which is extremely fast-spreading and contagious. Instead, he said, it appears to concentrate in certain spots and wreak deep devastation.

About half of Sweden’s deaths have occurred in homes for the elderly, which is similar to some other European countries but has fueled criticism in Sweden that policymakers abandoned the elderly to the virus. After cases in nursing homes began spiking, the government banned visitors.

“We must admit that the part that deals with elderly care, in terms of the spread of infection, has not worked. It is obvious. We have too many elderly people who have passed away,” Lofven, the prime minister, told the Aftonbladet newspaper Wednesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/sweden-epidemiologist-anders-tegnell/2020/06/03/063b20e4-a5a0-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

[kfm27917]

The False-Positive Panic over COVID-19
Imagine an articulate chief lemming bragging that not only had his followers jumped off a cliff, but that they had done so in far greater numbers than any other slice of the rodents. This is the position occupied by the US regarding testing for COVID-19.We’ve done more testing than any other country and bragged a lot about doing so; but no one seems to have survived to give a proper interpretation of the results.

To begin with, the tests currently in use do not test for the entire virus, rather they just test for various fragments of it. Many of the results are thus false, sometimes false positives and sometimes false negatives. This means one has to interpret their results with caution. Our medical authorities, to say nothing of our political ones, don’t seem to be able to do this.

All medical students are taught the basics of screening in their introductory statistics course. The problem is that most of them either didn’t go or slept through the course. The rest immediately forgot what they had learned.

more at https://mises.org/wire/false-positive-panic-over-covid

also
The COVID-19 Panic Shows Us Why Science Needs Skeptics
at
https://mises.org/wire/covid-19-panic-shows-us-why-science-needs-skeptics

[kfm27917]

[B]Covid-19 is a Trojan Horse for 'The Great Reset': Sky News Report on Klaus Schwab and the Davos Set

IMHO this is interesting coming from Skynews !

Sky News host Rowan Dean says the next World Economic Forum in Davos has morphed from a "jet-setter climate gabfest" into a sinister "anti-democratic enterprise designed to destroy your job, steal your prosperity and rob your kids of a future".

"It's a hardcore leftist eco-horror show replete with quasi-fascism," he said. Mr Dean highlighted what he described as a "disturbing trend among many of the world's left-wing elites to increasingly conflate COVID-19 with climate change. Many are going so far as to suggest that all the measures applied to the coronavirus, the lockdowns, the destruction of businesses, the suppression of dissent, curfews, strong-arm police tactics, should become the 'new normal' for dealing with climate change."

Mr Dean said the next World Economic Forum is planning "to convince governments with the help of big businesses and big tech to bring about something deeply sinister called 'The Great Reset'. It is a program designed to strip us all of our fundamental democratic rights in favour of a new form of society as dictated by the elites."

Mr Dean said the advertising for 'The Great Reset' was "just about as cliched and vomit-inducing as the most inane corporate ad can be. This promo is saying that all the very worst things in the world, from the coronavirus to bushfires to riots to pollution to poverty are somehow linked. Then it is claiming they can magically disappear. Literally at the push of a button and just like that, everything in the world is made right and pure again. The Great Reset. What could be simpler?

Mr Dean said ultimately "lunatics including Prince Charles and the United Nations and the IMF want to replicate the global response to COVID and repurpose it for climate change, to enforce zero net emissions."

see
https://www.sott.net/article/442718-Covid-19-is-a-Trojan-Horse-for-The-Great-Reset-Sky-News-Report-on-Klaus-Schwab-and-the-Davos-Set

[Snoweagle]

Here is a powerful presentation regarding the history of medicine and the subterfuge of Virology. It describes with historical references how pioneers within the field of medicine not only "created" dis-eases to further their careers but also to provide a "tool" for the elite of the time to embark on various forms of attrition.

Many of these Virus discoveries were just plain wrong. They were extensively debunked at the time by equally qualified scientists yet all of those debunking publications were buried and do not form part of any academic studies nor held in University Medical libraries.

So what we see these days is the battle of the "poisoners": both good and bad. Those that wish to harm and those wish to counter. Humanity is their playground for battle and contest.

However, I consider this an essential viewing and highly recommended. (Many, many of the techniques presented can be found here at Project Avalon within separate terms of reference)

GERMS DEBUNK CORONA. MUST WATCH, EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS TO END THIS MADNESS.

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https://rumble.com/vj33d4-germs-debunk-corona.-must-watch-everyone-needs-to-know-this-to-end-this-mad.html

[7alon]

https://www.brighteon.com/875d2ef8-4dec-407c-84db-8d15fa3bb6c8

Dr explains that they can only find traces of Influenza A and B in people who tested positive for covid, same with those that had 'symptoms'.

This is hinted at in some Q posts. I personally thought it could be real but just nowhere near as bad as people think. It was asked by Q team why it kills the same or less than the flu? Well the video explains that it is exactly that apparently.

[avid]

Hmmm, loads of younger folk now in horspiddle suffering from ‘Covid’… videos of sufferers in uk on oxygen, are these verifiable? I know locally that some people have been really ill with fevers, coughing, sneezing and utter fatigue for weeks, is this flu, or some ghastly germy warfare fiasco? Fed up with surmising, avoiding, disbelieving, hand-washing, masking, staying in, isolating, and being ‘pinged’ by some ludicrously unsafe/untested ‘track and trace’ piece of nonsense. Thank goodness I never put that anywhere near my phone. An excuse for a holiday was prevalent in the latest hot weather ‘pingdemic’. Groan.

[RunningDeer]

https://www.brighteon.com/875d2ef8-4dec-407c-84db-8d15fa3bb6c8

Dr explains that they can only find traces of Influenza A and B in people who tested positive for covid, same with those that had 'symptoms'.

This is hinted at in some Q posts. I personally thought it could be real but just nowhere near as bad as people think. It was asked by Q team why it kills the same or less than the flu? Well the video explains that it is exactly that apparently.


BANNED from YOUTUBE Lab Analysis at 7 Universities Shows NO Covid! (2:55 minutes)



December 28, 2020

Rob Oswald: Officially COVID-19 it's a flu & not a virus.




“I have a PhD in virology and immunology. I'm a clinical lab scientist and have tested 1500 "supposed" positive Covid 19 samples collected here in S. California. When my lab team and I did the testing through Koch's postulates and observation under a SEM (scanning electron microscope), we found NO Covid in any of the 1500 samples. What we found was that all of the 1500 samples were mostly Influenza A and some were influenza B, but not a single case of Covid, and we did not use the B.S. PCR test.

We then sent the remainder of the samples to Stanford, Cornell, and a few of the University of California labs and they found the same results as we did, NO COVID. They found influenza A and B. All of us then spoke to the CDC and asked for viable samples of COVID, which CDC said they could not provide as they did not have any samples.

“We have now come to the firm conclusion through all our research and lab work, that the COVID 19 was imaginary and fictitious. The flu was called Covid and most of the 225,000 dead were dead through co-morbidities such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, emphysema etc. and they then got the flu which further weakened their immune system and they died. I have yet to find a single viable sample of Covid 19 to work with.

“We at the 7 universities that did the lab tests on these 1500 samples are now suing the CDC for Covid 19 fraud. the CDC has yet to send us a single viable, isolated and purifed sample of Covid 19. If they can't or won't send us a viable sample, I say there is no Covid 19, it is fictitious. The four research papers that do describe the genomic extracts of the Covid 19 virus never were successful in isolating and purifying the samples. All the four papers written on Covid 19 only describe small bits of RNA which were only 37 to 40 base pairs long which is NOT A VIRUS. A viral genome is typically 30,000 to 40,000 base pairs. With as bad as Covid is supposed to be all over the place, how come no one in any lab world wide has ever isolated and purified this virus in its entirety? That's because they've never really found the virus, all they've ever found was small pieces of RNA which were never identified as the virus anyway.

“So what we're dealing with is just another flu strain like every year, COVID-19 does not exist and is fictitious. I believe China.....”

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[7alon]

Hey mods and Bill, thanks for putting my post in the right thread. I was trying to find it, but failed during my sleepiness last night. My apologies. :highfive: Sorry for off topic.

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[Tintin]

Sam Bailey on the PCR test

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WNNycvFvUM7R/

WNNycvFvUM7R/
The truth about the PCR test

Thanks Constance :flower:

I haven't watched Sam for sometime - she's just very good at laying things out clearly. The presentation is so good I'd popped it into the library a couple of days ago, along with the 3D animation that she cites here.

There is a dedicated PCR tests directory in the Coroni (sic) folder too where other instructional and educational material can be viewed as well.

https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Coronavirus_%28Wuhan_2019-nCov%29/Covid-19_Testing/PCR_tests

[Pam]

Cross posting here from the Australia thread...


This is Thomas Cowan's analysis of the official claim of Isolation of COVID-19 in Australia.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-thomas-cowan-analysis-of-official-claim-of-isolation-of-covid-19-in-australia_GpUfZo8sANQdgKF.html

I can't find the brandnewtube icon on Avalon to wrap around the link so you will need to upload the link to your browser.

Thanks so much for this, Constance. It potentially answered one of my biggest questions regarding spike proteins. Now I need to see if I can fit this into my theory and how it relates to the injection. What a mystery the world is.

Had to come back and give a huge endorsement for Dr. Sam Bailey and her videos and another thanks for bringing her to light. She is a great educator.

When I was 18 I had my first strange experience where a voice clearly told me "everything you know is wrong". At that time it was a very strange experience and I recognized it as paranormal but the words meant nothing to me. After all, I was an 18 year old that was pretty sure I knew it all. Let me tell you, the fractal layers of that truth have been unfolding ever since. The reality I thought I knew continues to crumble on an exponential basis.

[Constance]

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[Ratszinger]

Why hasn’t every single homeless person in the nation or within the global population died from COVID-19? I mean considering the vast majority of them don’t have access to a travel-size bottle of hand sanitizer, let alone periodic testing and “vaccines?” they should be the first casualties no? Nothing is adding up here and it never has!! These sinister people are smart and they would taint one of every three or four in all likelihood for that plausible deniabilty factor if nothing else so it stands to reason that they could and would attack a big mouth to make an example of him to further their fear porn agenda! Just sayin' it's likely that guy was attacked to shut him up and some onboard doc called it COVID because everything is COVID death now even with underlying conditions that likely led to the death not the COVID19. It could just as easily be COV2 if they were already weakened.

[Pam]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.

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[avid]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.

BF32yffm9ilo

Hmmm, so what are people dying with? Ordinary flu? Or something else….?
I realise there has been ludicrous manipulation of death figures, such as a road accident victim was a ‘covid’ death, all of those neglected persons in health care dying of long-term illnesses, etc etc, but this ghastly virus that has floored folk, sometimes for months - what is it?
Some of my friends had this bug, and they are still compromised, is this a bioweapon?

Now it’s the predictable new fearmongering ‘Moronic’ variant….
Any excuse to clamp folk down, reprehensible behaviour, in fact criminal fiascos. Whatever next - probably smallpox???

[Pam]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.

BF32yffm9ilo

Hmmm, so what are people dying with? Ordinary flu? Or something else….?
I realise there has been ludicrous manipulation of death figures, such as a road accident victim was a ‘covid’ death, all of those neglected persons in health care dying of long-term illnesses, etc etc, but this ghastly virus that has floored folk, sometimes for months - what is it?
Some of my friends had this bug, and they are still compromised, is this a bioweapon?

Now it’s the predictable new fearmongering ‘Moronic’ variant….
Any excuse to clamp folk down, reprehensible behaviour, in fact criminal fiascos. Whatever next - probably smallpox???

I'm not challenging or claiming that people don't get sick. This could very definitely be a bioweapon. What I am looking at is what we call the field of virology is suspect and how they come about creating viruses and what they call specific viruses is suspect. The multiple viruses that are supposedly created when a single virus high jacks a cell by tricking it and entering the membrane and supposedly killing it in the process. In the lab cells are in actuality dying from being malnourished and exposed to toxins rather than this living /nonliving thing just wanting to make more of itself for no other reason than making more. I'm not challenging bacteria or the study of bacteria. What makes sense to me is the suspect way they are finding and naming these things they call viruses. What Dr. Cowan says makes much more sense to me.

Does the body perhaps have things that look like viruses to communicate within itself and with the outside world? Possibly

I don't know why there is a flu season. I suspect it has more to do with the body getting rid of of toxins seasonally in lipid wrapped particles and through the urine and GI track. Viruses have never made sense to me the way they are explained, but this does make sense. I am in no way denying people aren't getting sick.

Avid, I appreciate that you would take the time to even consider this. I understand this would make a bunch of people very uncomfortable. I am glad you had the willingness to give it consideration even if you don't agree with it.








I am not saying Tom Cowan is right but I am going to read his experiment when he publishes it.

[DaveToo]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.



Am I allowed to make a comment Pam? :)

In addition to claiming that viruses don't exist, Dr. Cowan also claims that there are no lab-created nor engineered viruses.
These are very important claims which go counter to Bill's (and many others Avaloner's) position since the start of this plandemic, that what we have here is a bio-weapon.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think we pretty much put this one to bed a while back. There is something going around. Whether it is new or been here awhile makes no difference.

The point was to get everyone scared to the point they would willingly take an experimental, never-before-tried laboratory concoction.

It is the concoction that drives the 'variants' because it is a highly mutative bundle of genetic code. Blocking one strain with a shot only causes the virus to mutate.

Lock downs and masks merely weakens the ability of the individual to mount an effective defence.


Take more shots, get more mutations. That is the plan. This is the treadmill we are on.

[DaveToo]

I think we pretty much put this one to bed a while back. There is something going around. Whether it is new or been here awhile makes no difference.

The point was to get everyone scared to the point they would willingly take an experimental, never-before-tried laboratory concoction.

It is the concoction that drives the 'variants' because it is a highly mutative bundle of genetic code. Blocking one strain with a shot only causes the virus to mutate.

Lock downs and masks merely weakens the ability of the individual to mount an effective defence.


Take more shots, get more mutations. That is the plan. This is the treadmill we are on.

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Would you care to start a list of those on board (Avaloners) with him and those who are not,
and those who are still sitting on the fence?

[Pam]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.



Am I allowed to make a comment Pam? :)

In addition to claiming that viruses don't exist, Dr. Cowan also claims that there are no lab-created nor engineered viruses.
These are very important claims which go counter to Bill's (and many others Avaloner's) position since the start of this plandemic, that what we have here is a bio-weapon.

I am only questioning the techniques by used by virolologists to create the experience they claim is a virus rigging a cell to make more of it for no other reason than to have more of the same thing.I am questioning the definition what what the purpose of a virus is. I don't have to agree with everything that he is stating or anything he is stating. I believe he has valid concerns and am looking forward to the booklet explaining exactly what and how they did it. The rest is speculation that at this point is something I am only thinking about. I like to consider things like this as how well do they follow the rest of the natural world. Everything in nature seems to be part of a natural order. Of course, some of that is off balance, mostly due to humans.What is their place in the scheme of things. The definition I was taught at school never made sense to me when it comes to it's natural place in the scheme of things.

As I said, people are getting sick. Maybe it is from a tine lipid coated sphere that contains genetic information. What is the initial purpose of that ball or information which we would call a virus?

I absolutely think we could be subject to bioweapons.

[Pam]

I think we pretty much put this one to bed a while back. There is something going around. Whether it is new or been here awhile makes no difference.

The point was to get everyone scared to the point they would willingly take an experimental, never-before-tried laboratory concoction.

It is the concoction that drives the 'variants' because it is a highly mutative bundle of genetic code. Blocking one strain with a shot only causes the virus to mutate.

Lock downs and masks merely weakens the ability of the individual to mount an effective defence.


Take more shots, get more mutations. That is the plan. This is the treadmill we are on.

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Would you care to start a list of those on board (Avaloners) with him and those who are not,
and those who are still sitting on the fence?

I don't think things because I think I am going to fit in with the group. If you make a list and I am the only one considering the possibility of what he is saying do you want me wear a dunce cap? I don't come to this forum because I want to see a bunch of Pam thinkers confirming my reality. When I started coming here I thought targeted individuals and mind control was probably mental illness, I was wrong. I come here because people haven't lost the ability to think and consider possibilities. What he is saying doe not make me comfortable at all. I worked for years as a nurse, scared to death of viruses. I suspect I lost hearing in one ear from the Hepatitis B vaccine series I took from fear of the virus. I am willing to be wrong, either way.

In no way do I believe we are not being attacked by something. The injection we are figuring out. The other part, the initial illness, I am not sure of. When he posts his booklet, I will share the specific details and see if you can find flaws in it.

[DaveToo]

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Would you care to start a list of those on board (Avaloners) with him and those who are not, and those who are still sitting on the fence?

I don't think things because I think I am going to fit in with the group. If you make a list and I am the only one considering the possibility of what he is saying do you want me wear a dunce cap? I don't come to this forum because I want to see a bunch of Pam thinkers confirming my reality. When I started coming here I thought targeted individuals and mind control was probably mental illness, I was wrong. I come here because people haven't lost the ability to think and consider possibilities. What he is saying doe not make me comfortable at all. I worked for years as a nurse, scared to death of viruses. I suspect I lost hearing in one ear from the Hepatitis B vaccine series I took from fear of the virus. I am willing to be wrong, either way.

In no way do I believe we are not being attacked by something. The injection we are figuring out. The other part, the initial illness, I am not sure of. When he posts his booklet, I will share the specific details and see if you can find flaws in it.


Allow me to clarify myself.

On the whole I like the way Dr. Cowan and Dr. Kaufman put forward their argument that viruses don't exist.
I understand all of the technical details that they talk about.

(BTW, I have a science background, biology/genetics).

I would love to jump into their camp, but until various questions are answered reasonably, I continue to sit on the germ vs. terrain theory fence.

I agree with you that people have been getting sick for the past couple of years with an illness beyond a cold or flu.
Neither Dr. Cowan nor Dr. Kaufman ever address this. None of the terrain theorists have come up with a reasonable explanation for what is causing the 'Covid' symptoms around the world.

As for creating a list to see who falls into which camp here; it's not meant to be critical of anyone. Any position in this debate is equally honorable and should be treated with respect.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm not saying anyone speculating is full of hot air.

I'm saying this was planned. I'm saying they want to make us sick. I'm saying that if we don't resist now, this vax mandate protocol will never end.

What we put to bed is that there is something going around. Whatever it is, whatever the reason, whatever we call it, it is killing people.

[DaveToo]

I'm not saying anyone speculating is full of hot air.

I'm saying this was planned. I'm saying they want to make us sick. I'm saying that if we don't resist now, this vax mandate protocol will never end.

What we put to bed is that there is something going around. Whatever it is, whatever the reason, whatever we call it, it is killing people.

Ernie we certainly agree on the main points of what is going on here.

But if someone wants to seriously jump on board with the terrain theory (Dr. Cowan, Dr. Kaufman et. al.),
and by that I mean go ALL in, then they are going to have to come up with a GOOD explanation as to
what it is exactly that has been making people sick around the world the past two years.

The thing with the terrain theory is that you can't have it both ways.
It's like being pregnant; you are either pregnant or you are not.

If there are no viruses and no bio-weapons at play here (as Dr. Cowan made clear in the above video)
then his camp needs to come up with a good reasonable explanation as to what, when, where and
how people have been getting sick the past couple of years.

The mishmash of air pollution, 5G etc. doesn't even come close to cutting it for me.
How about you?

[Bill Ryan]

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20S.%20Cowan%20-%20The%20Contagion%20Myth%20-%20Why%20Viruses%20(including%20'Coronavirus')%20Are%20Not%20the%20Cause%20of%20Disease.pdf), he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

Here are his closing words in the interview:

You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

(Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.) thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. :thumbsup: )

[DaveToo]

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20S.%20Cowan%20-%20The%20Contagion%20Myth%20-%20Why%20Viruses%20(including%20'Coronavirus')%20Are%20Not%20the%20Cause%20of%20Disease.pdf), he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

Here are his closing words in the interview:

You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

(Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.) thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. :thumbsup: )


Thanks Bill, you get exactly what I was trying to say. :)

[jaybee]

What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.

BF32yffm9ilo


Hey Pam... thanks for the video - I've watched it once but need to go through it again, probably a couple more times because what he's talking about is potentially the complete re-write of illness and disease... and modern medicine - which is no small thing - we just have to work out what makes us sick / unwell... haha .... that's all..

It's gone midnight here in the UK so I'm a bit too tired to say much else now - I just started rambling on about light frequencies and astrology and was going to say about maybe weaponry being able to create swathes of dis-ease with frequency manipulation - but deleted it because I'm losing focus - :)

Re Gareth Icke... David must be so proud of his son... following in his footsteps but doing his own thing -

[Delight]

(BTW, I have a science background, biology/genetics).

I would love to jump into their camp, but until various questions are answered reasonably, I continue to sit on the germ vs. terrain theory fence.


Me too. I did all my course work in science for the MS level of nursing so I am no expert but know enough to read research and I have come to see the flaws in "germ" theory. The idea that the "terrain" of the body is what counts in "disease" is where I stand 100%. I am a proud antivaxxer and now think allopathy beyond accident repair and extreme "rescue" care is actually dangerous.

I wonder what people are spending trillions on in labs to weaponize, if there are no viruses?

I look at telegram a lot and see some people become too militant IMO about terrain versus germ. That is really un-necessary. There are microbes of some sort. People do become ill. Maybe viruses don't exist? I am not sure that is the place to divide. More splitting to diffuse the people so we cannot apply power is only loss to the "human team" IMO.

If we ever have a restoration of reason, we will objectively discover these matters. I pray we live to that day.

[DaveToo]

(BTW, I have a science background, biology/genetics).

I would love to jump into their camp, but until various questions are answered reasonably, I continue to sit on the germ vs. terrain theory fence.


Me too. I did all my course work in science for the MS level of nursing so I am no expert but know enough to read research and I have come to see the flaws in "germ" theory. The idea that the "terrain" of the body is what counts in "disease" is where I stand 100%. I am a proud antivaxxer and now think allopathy beyond accident repair and extreme "rescue" care is actually dangerous.

I wonder what people are spending trillions on in labs to weaponize, if there are no viruses?

I look at telegram a lot and see some people become too militant IMO about terrain versus germ. That is really un-necessary. There are microbes of some sort. People do become ill. Maybe viruses don't exist? I am not sure that is the place to divide. More splitting to diffuse the people so we cannot apply power is only loss to the "human team" IMO.

If we ever have a restoration of reason, we will objectively discover these matters. I pray we live to that day.

For me this is the key question now.

Are they spending all that money playing around in the labs just for fun?

If they actually worked on and continue to work on bio-weapons (they do have the patents)
then for the weapons to be truly effective in a massive way, they must be transmissible.

What good would it be to have a bio-weapon that needed to be released hundreds/thousands of times
in cities/towns all around the world in order to make people sick? Think of the planning and manpower just to accomplish that.

It is much more convenient and effective to release an 'agent' that can infect a person who later can infect others with the same 'agent'.

Now this 'agent' could be almost anything really, but it would have to be potentially lethal, biological by necessity and transmissible.
It wouldn't have to be a 'virus'. It could simply be a 'biological agent'.

I don't know why terrain theorists can't accept this possibility/probability?

[Pam]

I'm not saying anyone speculating is full of hot air.

I'm saying this was planned. I'm saying they want to make us sick. I'm saying that if we don't resist now, this vax mandate protocol will never end.

What we put to bed is that there is something going around. Whatever it is, whatever the reason, whatever we call it, it is killing people.

I agree with you, whatever we are dealing with strictly from what they call covid and the solution, the injection may not even be in the realm of the general discussion of what makes people in groups get sick, normally. They have been doing something in those labs.

[Pam]

(BTW, I have a science background, biology/genetics).

I would love to jump into their camp, but until various questions are answered reasonably, I continue to sit on the germ vs. terrain theory fence.


Me too. I did all my course work in science for the MS level of nursing so I am no expert but know enough to read research and I have come to see the flaws in "germ" theory. The idea that the "terrain" of the body is what counts in "disease" is where I stand 100%. I am a proud antivaxxer and now think allopathy beyond accident repair and extreme "rescue" care is actually dangerous.

I wonder what people are spending trillions on in labs to weaponize, if there are no viruses?

I look at telegram a lot and see some people become too militant IMO about terrain versus germ. That is really un-necessary. There are microbes of some sort. People do become ill. Maybe viruses don't exist? I am not sure that is the place to divide. More splitting to diffuse the people so we cannot apply power is only loss to the "human team" IMO.

If we ever have a restoration of reason, we will objectively discover these matters. I pray we live to that day.

This is a big question. They are weaponizing and modifiying something. What if those little lipid packets we call viruses are simply exosomes? They are communication packets. Just like in nature, the way nature communicates with each other, for instance, fungal networks communicating between trees. What if we do have exosomes that's purpose is to be helpful, what if they become modified to be weaponized? What about resonance ? What about creating a toxin that can be dispersed that interfaces with 5G.

Why don't they isolate viruses in the traditional way? Why not using filtration systems then centrifugal weighting technique? Why poison and starve cells to get them to spit out viruses?

There is definitely something going on in those labs. We are in an attempted genocide cycle, but I am questioning the Proof of existences of viruses, not necessarily viruses.

Heck, I learned how to isolate bacteria and identify them in a undergrad. microbiology class ages ago. But we don't use classic isolation and verification for viruses? These little creatures that only appear after you torture and poison a cell as it is dying in a toxic soup?

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What if...what if.... the very biggest crime of this whole vaccine debacle is the fact that there is no virus at all.....for your consideration. This will be very controversial and I don't claim to know exactly that little lipid packet they call a virus is but this is definitely worthy of attention and deep consideration, this is a huge test of your programming... I am not claiming Dr. Tom Cowan has provided every answer here but he most definitely is challenging the field of virology and the whole covid-covid variant scenario. The booklet he is writing to explain his experiments has not been published yet, but I will definitely be getting it. Comments and discussion welcome.

By the way, I am coming to a real appreciation of Gareth Icke on his own merits, not merely as the son of David.

Delight, would definitely like your comments.

BF32yffm9ilo


Hey Pam... thanks for the video - I've watched it once but need to go through it again, probably a couple more times because what he's talking about is potentially the complete re-write of illness and disease... and modern medicine - which is no small thing - we just have to work out what makes us sick / unwell... haha .... that's all..

It's gone midnight here in the UK so I'm a bit too tired to say much else now - I just started rambling on about light frequencies and astrology and was going to say about maybe weaponry being able to create swathes of dis-ease with frequency manipulation - but deleted it because I'm losing focus - :)

Re Gareth Icke... David must be so proud of his son... following in his footsteps but doing his own thing -

jaybee, my old buddy. I knew you would give it a whirl. Thanks for looking at it.

[Pam]

(BTW, I have a science background, biology/genetics).

I would love to jump into their camp, but until various questions are answered reasonably, I continue to sit on the germ vs. terrain theory fence.


Me too. I did all my course work in science for the MS level of nursing so I am no expert but know enough to read research and I have come to see the flaws in "germ" theory. The idea that the "terrain" of the body is what counts in "disease" is where I stand 100%. I am a proud antivaxxer and now think allopathy beyond accident repair and extreme "rescue" care is actually dangerous.

I wonder what people are spending trillions on in labs to weaponize, if there are no viruses?

I look at telegram a lot and see some people become too militant IMO about terrain versus germ. That is really un-necessary. There are microbes of some sort. People do become ill. Maybe viruses don't exist? I am not sure that is the place to divide. More splitting to diffuse the people so we cannot apply power is only loss to the "human team" IMO.

If we ever have a restoration of reason, we will objectively discover these matters. I pray we live to that day.

For me this is the key question now.

Are they spending all that money playing around in the labs just for fun?

If they actually worked on and continue to work on bio-weapons (they do have the patents)
then for the weapons to be truly effective in a massive way, they must be transmissible.

What good would it be to have a bio-weapon that needed to be released hundreds/thousands of times
in cities/towns all around the world in order to make people sick? Think of the planning and manpower just to accomplish that.

It is much more convenient and effective to release an 'agent' that can infect a person who later can infect others with the same 'agent'.

Now this 'agent' could be almost anything really, but it would have to be potentially lethal, biological by necessity and transmissible.
It wouldn't have to be a 'virus'. It could simply be a 'biological agent'.

I don't know why terrain theorists can't accept this possibility/probability?


Here is the definition of virus


Any of various submicroscopic agents that infect living organisms, often causing disease, and that consist of a single or double strand of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein coat. Unable to replicate without a host cell, viruses are typically not considered living organisms.

Does that fit into the natural order of the way nature works? I have learned a huge amount about nature on my little farm. In fact, Tom Cowan says no person should be allowed to be a doctor unless they have farmed for a couple years. Nature is the ultimate teacher. Does a nonliving thing without consciousness that can only enter into the right environment by happenstance all of the sudden have the ability to make oodles of itself for no other reason than to be a meaningless blob.?

The biggest mistake I ever made was believing I was subject to the programming.

[TomKat]

I agree that Covid doesn't exist outside of the lab, and is not in the population. What is called covid is just the flu that I got in January of 2019. Not a nice experience but certainly not deadly for healthy people, although it did seem to want to escalate to pneumonia. The pandemic was created with false reporting and malpractice by hospitals and government, but is just the flu that evolved from idiots taking their annual flu shots.

If you think about it, this is the safest way to have a population-reducing disease: the disease is fictitious but the vaccine is deadly. If they came up with an actual disease, it could easily wipe out the ruling class as well as the plebes. And by allowing alternative information about this "pandemic" get out via Bitchute and other sources, they can, in good conscience, blame the victims who voluntarily took the MRNA jab.

[Bill Ryan]

This very clear presentation, from Dr Kevin Corbett, may well belong on this thread as well:

https://videopress.com/v/DHQPsy4s

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/DHQPsy4s/dr.kevin-corbett-interview-following-the-science-oracle-films_mp4_dvd.mp4

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/DHQPsy4s/dr.kevin-corbett-interview-following-the-science-oracle-films_mp4_dvd.mp4

[Pam]

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20S.%20Cowan%20-%20The%20Contagion%20Myth%20-%20Why%20Viruses%20(including%20'Coronavirus')%20Are%20Not%20the%20Cause%20of%20Disease.pdf), he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

Here are his closing words in the interview:

You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

(Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.) thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. :thumbsup: )


From my understanding on his take on bacteria it is that bacteria will only become an issue in a terrain that is unhealthy. He gives an example of bacteria found in milk. I can't remember the type of bacteria but he examines 2 points of view. One is that the cow is infected with bacteria and needs antibiotics, another is that the bacteria are there because there are toxins that the bacteria are cleaning up. they are seeking balance of the healthy system. The bacteria are a response to the terrain.

I have seen numerous cases of flesh eating type scenarios where bacteria are ravaging a body. It could be because the body is so out of balance and toxic that it has generated an overabundance of a specific type of bacteria trying desperately to clean it up. It can be so toxic that the bacteria eventually overtake the body in some cases. In a healthy setting we have all kinds of bacteria. We wouldn't exist without them. When our terrain becomes toxic it may seem that bacteria are the enemy but the real "enemy" may be the toxic or malnourished state that stimulated these bacteria to clean up in the first place. How is it we have supposed good bacteria and bad bacteria?

Can someone become so toxic that they are die from a bacterial invasion, absolutely but is it simply because the bacteria are an enemy that you were unfortunate enough to come up against or are they simply trying to maintain balance?

I'm not saying this is most likely true in every situation. I wouldn't be sure what would happen if one is walking through a bacteria infested water with a cut in the foot. Then one might come up against a different situation.

I am not stating I know this as a fact but it makes sense. I have gone over hundreds of very sick people I have dealt with and I have contemplated both points of view. Either could be possible, but nature seeks to balance, not to destroy just for the heck of it.

Once again, I'm not claiming I know it all....just considering this. One thing I do absolutely know for sure is that making viruses and bacteria the enemy is very,very profitable for big pharma. I think we can all agree on that.

I love you guys, isn't it fun to have a bit of a debate...I have so many questions about how things work. I am so happy I haven't lost my curiosity and this amazing planet never lets me down.

Nature can look very harsh at times, but it always makes sense.

[Bill Ryan]

A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd

cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd

[Bill Ryan]

A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd

Also see this Jon Rappoport interview from 7 October, a couple of months ago:


https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/07/the-non-existent-virus-explosive-interview-with-christine-massey

The non-existent virus; an explosive interview with Christine Massey

[Pam]

Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey. Once again, someone with the skills to research the confirmation of isolation of the virus has provided some very interesting information. Her understanding how to word thing and how to work the system to get the exact information she is looking for is so important. Many have been confused about the isolation issue.

I understand that the implications of this level of deception are really hard to comprehend. The basis of germ theory goes back to Pasteur and maybe before that. Looks like Pasteur may have been another Anthony Fauci.

Considering any of this has been very difficult for me. The programming and fear I have around bacteria and viruses i very deep and heavily held. To accept this is kind of earth shattering really. But I just want to get to the accuracy of this reality, whatever that is. If it means my life has been sort of a bad joke, so be it.

Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.

One thing you will see in the Beauchamp vs Pasteur history is that the choice that allowed the elites to make the most money and have the greatest control won the day.

There are a huge number of doctors persecuted for challenging the narrative for a long time as well...

I very much appreciate that you are willing to look at this, regardless of what you personally feel is the truth.


Germ Theory Versus Terrain: The Wrong Side Won the Day



Whereas most Americans probably have heard of Louis Pasteur (1822–1895), it is doubtful that many are familiar with the name and work of Antoine Béchamp (1816–1908). The two nineteenth-century researchers were scientific contemporaries, compatriots and fellow members of the French Academy of Science, but key differences in their views on biology and disease pathology led to a prolonged rivalry both within and outside of the Academy.1

Béchamp was the more brilliant thinker, but Pasteur had political connections, including Emperor Napoleon III. Reportedly not above “plagiarising and distorting Béchamp’s research,”2 Pasteur achieved fame and fortune largely because his views “were in tune with the science and the politics of his day.”1 Meanwhile, mainstream medical historians relegated Béchamp’s ideas—not as attractive to conventional thinkers—to the intellectual dustbin.3

Pasteur’s promotion of germ theory (a flawed notion that he did not so much “discover” as repackage) has remained “dear to pharmaceutical company executives’ hearts” up to the present day,4 having laid the groundwork for “synthetic drugs, chemotherapy, radiation, surgical removal of body parts and vaccines” to become the “medicine[s] of choice.”5 The unshakeable belief that there is one microbe for every illness is so ingrained as the “controlling medical idea for the Western world” that competing ideas about disease causation still have difficulty gaining traction.6

Over a century after the two Frenchmen’s demise, why bother to revisit their place in history? The answer is that the scientific (and industry) bias in favor of Pasteur’s model has not served the public’s health—to the contrary. Two decades into the twenty-first century, dismal national and international health statistics utterly belie the hype about medical advances.7 In the U.S., for example, over half of all children have one or more chronic conditions,8 as does a comparable proportion of millennials9 and up to 62 percent of Medicaid-population adults.10 Most health care dollars spent in the U.S. (86 percent) are for patients with at least one chronic condition.10 Similar trends are on the rise around the world.11

For those who are able to steel themselves against medical propaganda, it is abundantly clear that the Pasteurian paradigm has failed to deliver. With Americans in such a shocking state of ill health,12 we cannot afford to let the profit-driven pharmaceutical perspective continue to dominate. As one writer more bluntly puts it, “The sooner we get over the legacy of Pasteur’s fake science and get back to reality the better.”13

CELEBRITY VS. HERETIC
History awarded renown to the reductionist Pasteur for being the “father of immunology”14 and popularizing the theory that disease involves “a simple interaction between specific microorganisms and a host.”15 In his singleminded focus on the germ side of the equation, Pasteur ignored the host and discounted the influence of environmental factors, thereby “conveniently dismissing social responsibility for disease.”15

Both at the time and thereafter, the public and most fellow scientists found germ theory easy to embrace, perceiving Pasteur’s model of life and health to be not only “superficially plausible” but also “financially exploitable.”3 In fact, most of the big-name pharmaceutical companies that we know today got their start in Pasteur’s era, often by merging with chemical firms, united in their goal of developing and selling synthetic products to “selectively kill or immobilize parasites, bacteria, and other invasive disease-causing microbes.”16 Quoting comments by Ethel Douglas Hume in 1923,17 one author has remarked that Pasteur’s “greatest claim to fame ought to have been the inauguration of the ‘calamitous prostitution of science and medicine to commercialism.’”3

Béchamp, according to his fans, held a rather “marvelous view of the life process”3 and espoused a more nuanced perspective on infectious and chronic illness—for which history branded him a heretic. Much of Béchamp’s work centered on the biological role of fermentation.18 He coined the term “microzymas” (from zyme, the ancient Greek word for a ferment)19 to describe tiny particles that he viewed as the “primary anatomical elements of all living beings”—“the beginning and end of all organization.”20 Béchamp viewed these particles as living entities precisely because of their “power of movement and production of fermentation.”20 Subsequent generations of open-minded researchers agreed with Béchamp’s pioneering observations about microparticles as the fundamental unit of biology, with the most recent research in this vein proposing a new genetic theory and a “universal life paradigm” involving spontaneous self-assembly of DNA.21

Béchamp’s various discoveries led him to conclude that our bodies are, in effect, “miniecosystems.” When an individual’s internal ecosystem becomes weakened—whether due to poor nutrition, toxicity or other factors—it changes the function of the microbes that are naturally present in the body, producing disease.20 In other words, microorganisms only become pathogenic after environmental factors cause the host’s cellular “terrain” to deteriorate.15

As one example of the powerful influence of weakening forces on the host’s ecosystem, a mid-1980s study looked at French children who experienced complications of wild-type varicella (chickenpox).22 (Note: France has never implemented varicella vaccination.) Although three deaths resulted from what is ordinarily an extremely benign childhood illness, all three fatalities took place within a subset of nine children who had been taking steroid medications on a long-term basis. In comparison, ninety-four previously healthy children recovered from varicella without incident. The researchers concluded that the deaths occurred “as a function of the [weakened] terrain.”

PROBLEMS OF OUR OWN MAKING
Many of the disease phenomena making news headlines these days underscore the deficiencies of the pharmaceutical model and reveal challenges that are the direct result of our take-no-prisoners assault on germs.

For example, dangerous superbugs23,24 are emerging—largely due to overuse of “anti-everything” drugs such as antibiotics and antifungals—and are ushering in a potential return “to a world in which infectious diseases drastically shorten lives.”25 Some have estimated that drug-resistant pathogens will become a bigger killer than cancer by 2050.25

Although the conventional pharmacopeia that created the superbug problem has thus far been helpless to address it, experts are unwilling to step out of the lucrative Pasteurian mindset. Thus, leading researchers at Harvard, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Cincinnati Children’s Hospital suggest that the solution to superbugs is. . .more antibiotics, plus vaccines!25 In proposing vaccines as a response, the trio of establishment researchers makes the argument that vaccines are “evolution-proof” and do not generate resistance.25 The GSK researcher also confidently asserts that vaccination is “the most effective medical intervention that has ever been introduced”—and gives Pasteur considerable credit.26

INCONVENIENT FACTS
The complacent attitude that vaccines are the answer for everything sidesteps many inconvenient facts—documented by numerous studies—showing that vaccines are far from predictable or beneficial. In fact, in refutation of the static perspective promoted by Pasteur and evoked by the authors who want to use super-vaccines to solve superbug problems, vaccines not only increasingly fail to protect recipients against the microbes they target but are promoting increased susceptibility to vaccine strains as well as other strains and pathogens, while also augmenting disease severity.27

For example:

• Children who receive pertussis-containing vaccines are more susceptible to pertussis “throughout their lifetimes”;28 five years after completing a pertussis vaccine series, a child will be up to fifteen times more likely to acquire pertussis than in the first year after receiving the vaccine series.29

• Flu shots make people more susceptible to other severe respiratory viruses,30 and people who get flu shots annually are more susceptible to non-vaccine strains of influenza.31

• In clinical trials of Merck’s human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil, women with evidence of current or prior exposure to HPV had a 44 percent increased risk of developing cervical lesions or cancer after receiving the vaccine.32

• Waning vaccine-based immunity has increased measles33 and mumps34 severity in the most vulnerable age groups.

Béchamp surely would have had some comments about these significant breakdowns in vaccination’s underlying assumptions. In addition, he likely would have been disturbed by the vaccine industry’s little-discussed reliance on DNA from species such as birds, dogs, monkeys, cows, pigs, mice and insects in vaccine manufacturing.35 Noting Béchamp’s belief that “an organism’s microzymas are unique to it, and are not interchangeable with those of another,” a modern author suggests that Béchamp would disapprove of introducing microzymas “proper to one species. . .into an animal of another species”—which is exactly what vaccines do.3 This author continues:

How. . .foolhardy is it then, when vaccinal microzymas are not only from another species, but are already morbidly evolved and are accompanied by preservatives, formaldehyde, and other chemicals? There is no sanity whatever to this practice. The best that can be said about it is that it may prevent, against the odds, the appearance of varying sets of symptoms. But this is at the price of weakening the immune system, toxifying the body, and possibly setting the stage for degenerative symptoms later in life—all the while doing absolutely nothing for, except perhaps worsening, the underlying disease condition.

The picture of weakening and degeneration painted in the previous quote is in fact precisely what is now occurring on a massive scale. In his 2018 book Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness, Dr. Thomas Cowan (founding Weston A. Price Foundation board member) describes how “immune system imbalance disorders” are debilitating both children and adults in record numbers “unheard of before the introduction of mass vaccination programs.”36 Explaining why the (Pasteur-influenced) model of vaccine-induced immunity is so flawed, Cowan notes that vaccines deliberately favor and provoke one type of immune response (antibodies) but short-circuit the other crucial prong of our immune system (cell-mediated activity). In short, vaccines generate a state of “excessive antibody production”—and “this excessive antibody production actually defines autoimmune disease” [emphasis in original].36

GUT HEALTH
The worrisome iatrogenic challenges posed by superbugs and vaccine failure are bad enough. However, the Pasteur-influenced medical model also must accept a share of blame for the widespread disruption of the human microbiome that is such a standout feature of the modern ill-health picture.37 Awareness of the intestinal microbiome’s critical importance in providing “resilience against external perturbation” 38 has increased in recent years, in tandem with awareness of the factors exerting an adverse influence on gut health. The latter include antibiotics, of course, but also toxins such as glyphosate, which alters the gastrointestinal microbiome in favor of pathogenic microbes.39 Diminished microorganism diversity in the gut has been associated with conditions as varied as “allergy, diabetes, obesity, arthritis, inflammatory bowel diseases and. . .neuropsychiatric disorders.”40

Researchers who study the microbiome point out that under optimal circumstances, exposure to microorganisms educates the immune system “from the moment we are born”—and that “correct microbial-based education of immune cells may be critical in preventing the development of autoimmune diseases and cancer.”40 Reflecting this knowledge, Cowan devotes an entire chapter in his autoimmunity book to gut ecology (“the preserver of our integrity”) and to the ways in which this form of “early education” can go awry even from birth.36

Factors that compromise microbiome diversity, probably synergistically, include C-sections (which prevent babies from picking up healthy microbes in the birth canal); vaginal birth to mothers whose own internal ecology is skewed by prior antibiotic use or other factors; the standard American diet, full of genetically modified (GM) ingredients and antibiotics and lacking in live cultured and fermented foods; ubiquitous glyphosate; and, finally, vaccination. Regarding the latter, Cowan states:

[I]t has been shown that vaccination does have a direct effect on the microbiome and gut permeability even when given intramuscularly, not orally. The precise mechanism of how this happens is unknown, but I believe that anytime you affect the balance of immune response, you affect the largest and most important organ system of immune response that we have—the gut.

PARADIGM LOST
If the medical community were honest, it would be forced to admit that the model of disease that catapulted Pasteur to fame has played itself out and is pushing us to disability and death.

Here and there, scientists working within the mainstream framework recognize this. For example, researchers tackling the problem of multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis (TB) acknowledge that a wide variety of factors increases host susceptibility to TB and TB mortality, including “immune-dysregulation from any cause (including stress, poor living conditions, socioeconomic factors, micronutrient deficiencies, HIV), malnutrition, aberrant or excess host inflammatory response to infection, alcohol and substance abuse, co-morbidities with noncommunicable diseases such as diabetes, smoking, and chronic obstructive airways disease, [and] pneumoconiosis.”41 They suggest, therefore, that it is time to build on “the historical Pasteur-Bechamp debates on the role of the ‘microbe’ vs the ‘host internal milieu’ in disease causation” and invest in “host-directed therapies” (HDTs) that “alter the ‘host terrain’ in favor of the host.” Unfortunately, what HDTs mean to this group of researchers is. . .more pharmaceutical interventions.41

Realistically, we cannot expect researchers who receive direct or indirect funding from the pharmaceutical industry to suggest commonsense steps for supporting or strengthening the immune system. If Béchamp were around today, chances are that his recommendations would be more sound, emphasizing basics such as high-quality nutrition and excellent sleep. At a deeper level, Cowan also reminds us that the quest for a life of “abundance, joy, and meaning” is equally important and sustaining to our health.

SIDEBAR

GETTING OUT OF THE WAY
“Our job as parents, doctors, and caretakers for children is mostly to observe and, only when needed, help guide a process to its healthy conclusion. But mostly we don’t. We intervene. We manage. We attempt to control. Doing something, anything, temporarily assuages our fears (and creates massive industries in the process).

The result, however, is. . .a medicalized society that must devote huge resources to dealing with sick people; as the amount of medicine in our world increases, so, too, does the amount of sickness. Beyond a certain basic level of care, use of more medicine not only undermines an individual’s freedom and autonomy, but also degrades a society’s health.”

SOURCE: Thomas Cowan, Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness. White River Junction, VT: Chelsea Green Publishing;
2018, p. 137.

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This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly journal of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Summer 2019
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[Ewan]

So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20S.%20Cowan%20-%20The%20Contagion%20Myth%20-%20Why%20Viruses%20(including%20'Coronavirus')%20Are%20Not%20the%20Cause%20of%20Disease.pdf), he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

Here are his closing words in the interview:

You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

(Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.) thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. :thumbsup: )

I too was thinking similar thoughts regarding the reality (or not) of virus's, (probably not the plural, shrug), something is contagious as should be evident to everyone who has ever shared space with another who merely has the common cold and woke up the following day with same.

Just today I dropped a vehicle with someone who was cleary full of the cold, so I enquired - "Full of the cold?"

"Yeah, just had my daughter at the clinic for her flu spray and of course the whole house has it now".

Not sure thats how vaccines are supposed to be so efficient but let me continue. Contagion is obvious and yet, as in the video below, none of the damn stuff can be isolated!

Now I can imagine a whole bunch of sleeping pre-programmed soldiers awakening and picking up their little canisters to dutifully go out and spray certain locations worldwide in this current era of madness, BUT, that cannot account for contagion throughout the ages.


A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd

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It is obvious that Fauci is a complete charlatan and their IS an agenda afoot. As per Bill Gates. These guys are psycho's and perhaps the entire Schwab bloodline is also. But as Wade Frazier frequently comments its only 1% conspiracy and 99%, umm, something else. (Complacency?)

It only takes 1%

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Mix a little ignorance with a lot of enthusiasm and all the players fall neatly into line. That does not negate the existence of conspiracies. (Actually I should bring that up with Wade).

Something is afoot and Big Pharma has a lot to do with it, along with Bohemian Grove orgies and the super rich deciding the planet would be a lot better off if the population just consisted of people in their tribe. (That would be people who have at least a billion).

Constance isn't here currently to point me to the study, and I'm far to laid back (lazy) to go and look for it myself - but the more money you have the less likely you are to believe the rules apply to you.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have a motto I stick to religiously, even when it does not apply. It goes like this:
"The best way to remain healthy is to not get sick."

That seems like a no-brainer, but there is something to it. What it is saying is that maintaining health is by far the best way to not get sick.

That requires a little intuitive snooping and a bit of co-operative listening, the rest comes naturally. The body knows what it needs and it will tell you what that is if you are listening and open to its input. Contrarily, the body will quickly regress to a state of ill health if you don't listen to the early warning signals.

On this basis alone, I am convinced that the medical industry has barked up the wrong tree. And like a cat, it was easy going up, but now it will take a miracle, or a fire-fighter, to get them back down again and onto solid ground.

The medical system is a racket, probably the worst of all our institutions, except for the monetary system that underlies them all. It needs to be torn down and discarded. It is not serving us at all. Instead we serve it with our faith and our health, and the system takes both and abuses them no end.

To me it is about the meaning of a thing, and there is very little of that in this modern world. We are building a world that has no direction, no goal, and most egregiously, no soul. The secular world holds science as their god and scientism as their religion - and technology as manna from heaven!

So long as the citizenry values trinkets they are willing to work another hour for, our world will continue to hurtle towards its destruction. Pointless civilizations result in collapse. It has always been so.

I guess we need another lesson, and another reset - and another turn around the galactic center. Let's hope the next time around we hold onto some common sense and establish some common goals so we can add some meaning again to our lives.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey.

[... snip...]

Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.Yes. I posted the interview because it was interesting and detailed. But my issues/questions are:


Regardless of whether "viruses" exist (as we believe we know them), something makes nasty diseases contagious. One can't ignore the well-documented history of the Black Death and smallpox, or more recently ebola in Africa. Much much else, too.
Why have many nations invested billions or dollars, rubles or yuan in biowarfare research? If "viruses don't exist", what are these government scientists doing in their labs?
How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)

[Pam]

Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey.

[... snip...]

Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.Yes. I posted the interview because it was interesting and detailed. But my issues/questions are:


Regardless of whether "viruses" exist (as we believe we know them), something makes nasty diseases contagious. One can't ignore the well-documented history of the Black Death and smallpox, or more recently ebola in Africa. Much much else, too.
Why have many nations invested billions or dollars, rubles or yuan in biowarfare research? If "viruses don't exist", what are these government scientists doing in their labs?
How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)



My personal thoughts and that's all they are. Number one. What if we do spread respiratory information with each other through something like exosomes, meant to communicate information with others. What if that was exploited and modified? So we are talking about essentially the same end result but the difference is that the origin was not this evil virus it was a manipulation of a system that is supposed to be beneficial. This is the boiweapon angle.

What about resonance? I have seen how effective homeopathy can be. If you get the right remedy it can be very profound. Basically all you are getting is the resonance of a substance. The amount is so diluted that the actual substance itself is almost non existence and yet that simple resonance can have marvelous results. What if community illnesses are based on resonance at some level? Or manipulation of resonance? What if those little packets of dna/rna information don't work through contagion, what if they work through subtle resonance, much like homeopathy. What if resonance is created seasonally as well? What if fall is a good time to detox, so that is what we call cold and flu season? Why should viruses be more effective at certain times of year? The are nonliving/living things and really they should work pretty much the same at any time, at least that seems logical.

Belief and the placebo effect. Even mainstream medicine will admit there is huge power in belief and how it can manifest what we call the physical reality. I don't think we should underestimate the power of that that.

Many epidemics correspond to either the advent of electrical changes on the planet or other changes that have occurred. It seems the miraculous human body will eventually adapt but what me call disease may in fact be a detoxing effect as well as resonance adjustment?

Historically, we have been lied to time and time again. Do we take some of it as fact or do we question all of it? How far does the deception go?

A whole bunch of the educational system is based on acceptance of a bunch of things as facts and then they build more information based on those presumed facts. Virologists could believe they are doing one thing and in essence they are doing another or they think they are. Basically they are cutting and splicing information. How many times has someone discovered something believing it would be used to benefit mankind and then it is turned around and used against us. I admit, I was impressed with all the fancy lingo but at the same time they don't see the fallacy of what they want to pass as isolation?

I do have questions as well. Periodically I get a cold sore? What is that? Is it a virus I got years ago and it pops up occasionally. If it were truly a virus, why and how does it go dormant and then start doing it's destruction every once in a while? Why doesn't it enter a bunch of cells and do the herpes thing all over the whole body? How does it create those specific symptoms. It's only goal is to get into a cell and take over the cell so it can make more. You could say the immune system but if my immune system has figured out how to get rid of it why does some remain. How would it have any means of understanding about hiding itself. in the nervous system, if all it wants to do is recklessly make more? It's only goal is to recklessly make more until it kills the cell and then those copies will do the same but somehow it stops or is stopped but is clever enough to hide out in the nervous system???

I used to be impressed with academic credentials, now I am suspect of them. I have great admiration for people that have gone through heavy indoctrination and can still think and reason but that is no ticket to being infallible.

I don't believe any of this works like we have been told it does.

Great question are brought up in the interview that I have never considered. The question of the human genome and the premise that it is a fact and unchanging?
The validity of DNA testing to any degree and the implications of it's use in criminal cases of which millions and millions of people are sitting in prison based on? Never thought about or questioned any of that. It is really scary stuff.

Ernie, I couldn't agree more with your philosophy. An ounce of prevention is worth a hundred pounds of cure!!!!! Good nutrition, a balanced state of mind, kindness, and gratitude and time with nature are worth their weight in gold.



If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.
Nikola Tesla

[norman]

On neither end of that twig, a powerful voice of reason, on the current topic.

Dr David Martin, interviewed for the excellent 'Covid Revealed' series:

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[TomKat]

Jim Kunstler summarises the history of the hoax very well:

A Brief History of Epic Mass Madness

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The thesis called mass formation psychosis put forward lately by the Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet — a good digest here in text, not video — goes a long way to explaining the disgraceful mind****ery that Western Civ has fallen for in our time, promulgated by a thinking class that descended into abject madness. It’s well worth reviewing.

The descent was provoked by the existential anxiety over the collapse of techno-industrial economies and the end of progress as-we’ve-known-it. (Have you noticed: it was the self-styled “progressives” who went the craziest?) As Dr. Desmet lays it out, the disconnectedness of contemporary life, its lack of meaning or purpose for many, leads to unendurable anxiety. All that inchoate fear seeks desperately to attach itself to some real object, some thing or some force that can be comprehended, fought, and triumphantly overcome. Finding such a target produces an intoxicating sense of communal connection, purpose, and meaning, driving actions that are often crazy and also absolutely impervious to rational debate.

The angst in America was well established by 2016. A beaten-down middle-class suspected that left-of-center politicians did not have their interests at heart after years of off-shoring their jobs, and they managed to elect their avatar, Donald Trump, over the obviously unsympathetic globalist, Hillary Clinton — who snootily tagged her opposition “the deplorables.” Even so, the polls had her ahead by a mile. Then, by some weird twist of fate, she lost a few crucial counties in midwestern states she hadn’t bothered to visit, and was reportedly too plastered after midnight on election night to come down and console the troops at campaign headquarters. The shocking election outcome instantly deranged the nation’s entire managerial class and its thinking-out-loud interlocutors in the news media and on campus.

The Golden Golem of Greatness, as I liked to call Mr. Trump, was the perfect target for their animus. Threatening to “drain the swamp,” he would shatter their hard-won power privileges and deprive them of their well-worn grifts — such as the various revolving doors between big money and its regulators. Plus, his rough personality offended their own pretense of decorum (in pursuit of that power and grift). They decided that he had to go, and fast, and the whole managerial class and their allies closed ranks to get it done, not least the vicious agents of the Intel “Community,” which force-fed all the federal legal machinery — the official instruments of punishment.

If they could only knock Mr. Trump off the game-board, America’s troubles would be over. We could get back on track to becoming a utopia of inclusion, diversity, equity, and self-driving electric cars. For four years the FBI, the DOJ, and other distributed players (such as the CIA mole Eric Ciaramella and his NSA co-seditionist Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, and such ignoble rogues in Congress as Rep. Adam Schiff and Senator Mark Warner) beat President Trump like a piñata, casually breaking the very law that they supposedly represented in the process. This punishment was accompanied by a growing repertoire of cult-like rituals — especially around race-and-gender hustles — with rich opportunities for the new behavior called virtue signaling, which was essentially a game of collecting brownie points for status-seeking purposes in the new moral hierarchy of the “Woke.” The social networks, Facebook and Twitter, amplified every insane strand in the Woke messaging. As Dr. Desmet says, “The more absurd the rituals, the more they buy into it.”

This demonic opposition to Mr. Trump, and all the games issuing from it, produced the characteristic intoxication of mass formation psychosis. That is, the Left became a big cozy community of people initiated into a catechism of sacred truths. The important part is that they felt united in their struggle. Folks in the grip of this belonged to something at last, a solidarity of certitude, a social organism one could lose one’s anxious, fretful self in. No more loneliness and ennui. They were imbued with a sense of purpose: the ritual killing of the monster called Trump — millions of heroic Captain Willards stealing up-river to behead the renegade Colonel Kurtz. The news media’s role was to reinforce all that, with as much bad faith and dishonesty as they could get away with, in the service of fashioning a consensus that was eventually named “the narrative” — a self-reinforcing catalog of approved thought. The anti-Trump news posse garnered brownie points galore, including Pulitzer Prizes for their completely mendacious reporting.

The trouble was, for all their epic exertions, they weren’t exactly winning. The whole RussiaGate extravaganza fizzled — and may even eventuate in some criminal convictions if independent counsel John Durham turns out to be for-real. The Mueller Report came up plumb empty, to thundering disappointment, embodied in Rachel Maddow’s frantically bobulating Adam’s apple. The UkraineGate impeachment flopped. It was nice to have a sense of purpose and feel like a member of an exclusive club, but the Wokesters were unable to “nail that ol’ coonskin to wall” (as Lyndon B. Johnson once put it about winning the Vietnam War, which we lost). By January of 2020, it looked like Mr. Trump might even win re-election — the horror indeed! — considering the Democratic Party primary candidates were the most forlorn pack of has-beens, nobodies, kooks, and damaged goods ever assembled for such a contest. But whaddaya know? Along came Covid-19.

What a lifesaver the ‘Rona was for wobbling Wokedom, a cornucopia of boons, the gift that kept on giving! It provided an opportunity for perhaps the most craven public-private cartel in all the land, the CDC / FDA / NIH / NIAID / Big Pharma gang, to work some amazing hoodoo on the Golden Golem of Greatness and eventually all the nations of Western Civ. It put the perfidious, money-grubbing, and medically incompetent Dr. Anthony Fauci at the elbow of Mr. Trump as, in effect, the National Covid-19 Coordinator. He played the President like a Flugelhorn through most of 2020 — and, as the year ground on, Mr. Trump looked like he painfully suspected as much in all those ghastly televised daily briefings.

We will not go into the appalling mRNA vaccine boondoggle in detail here, except to say it reaped zillions for those with a stake in the patents, including Dr. Fauci. But Covid-19 also provided an excuse to relax the election regulations and pave the way to colossal ballot fraud in November, with Marc Elias of the Lawfare gang (and also a partner in the DNC’s pet law firm, Perkins Coie) scurrying from state to state tuning the electoral machinery in key swing precincts for a “Joe Biden” victory — and with hundreds of millions of dollars in help from Facebook’s Marc Zuckerberg. Till then, nothing in all the weaponized legal machinery across the land had succeeded in expelling the hated object of the managerial class’s loathing, but the election would git’er done.

Remember: the Progressive-Woke-Marxist-Jacobins liked nothing better than inflicting punishment. In fact, when you swept away all their ideological bull**** and the associated hustles, the movement was strictly about coercion, about pushing other people around, making them do as the Woke commissars willed. And there was a clearly sado-masochistic edge to all that. They relished cancelling people, wrecking careers, destroying reputations, livelihoods, marriages, families. Their political leaders had no qualms about exterminating hundreds of thousands of small businesses in Covid-19 lockdowns orchestrated by Woke heroes like Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City and Governors Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington State. And, of course, their darlings of the streets, BLM and Antifa, bashed-in shopfronts, looted all the merch, and burned down the buildings with mad glee.

But, most importantly, Covid-19 gave the political Left something else to focus its angst on once Mr. Trump was finally swept off the scene in the janky election. And until just the last few weeks of 2021, the virus has furnished endless opportunity for ever greater enactments of coercion and tyranny. Except now, suddenly, it’s all falling apart. In America, the claque behind the phantom president “Joe Biden” pulled the trigger on mandating vaccinations — complete with harsh punishments for the vaxx-averse — but then two things happened: 1) Federal Judge Terry Douglas in Louisiana issued an injunction against the mandate that applies in all fifty states; and 2) the news finally started leaking out — despite every effort of the US public health officialdom to hide it — that the vaccines carried an unprecedented risk of harm for medicines enlisted so casually into emergency use among so many millions of people, in addition to their negligible efficacy in preventing illness and contagion.

The Europeans, on the other hand, slid ever-deeper into despotic measures not seen since the Gestapo terrorized the continent. The Europeans face the same primal source of anxiety that the Americans do: the running down of their techno-industrial economies, except their predicament is arguably a little bit keener than ours is, since they have hardly any oil and natural gas of their own to run things on, and suffer terrible uncertainty about who will furnish it for them. If they had not gone out of their minds over what has turned out to be a pretty punk-ass virus — when treated early with a menu of cheaply available drugs — and hadn’t deified the false savior vaccines, they might be a whole lot more concerned about how they are going to heat their homes, fertilize their crops, and produce things of value — in short, remain civilized.

The catch is, they’ve given themselves until February to enforce their foolish vaccine mandates. The Omicron variant may help, too, since it is proving so far to be a grossly over-hyped development, discrediting the paranoia ginned up in the media. Can their courts act as ours have and put a stop to the madness? Between now and then we’re likely to see the defeat of the mass formation psychosis in America, at least, as the country is forced to face the truth of what it has done to itself.

Or, at least it will be the end of this chapter of that story. Perhaps the Europeans will snap out of it, too, as they see the narrative collapse in America. Or are they just too far gone? Standing by on developments.

[TomKat]

Here's Robert O Young talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/12/08/dr-robert-o-young-graphene-vaccines/

[Pam]

Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/12/08/dr-robert-o-young-graphene-vaccines/

Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.

[DaveToo]

Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/12/08/dr-robert-o-young-graphene-vaccines/

Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.

This is the first time I've seen Dr. Young in an extended interview.
He's certainly an interesting man.

He's also an extremist!

I was aware of his stance on germ vs. terrain theory.
But I didn't know just how extreme his views were concerning potential toxins.

He cautions all about the dangers of many foods (sugar, meat, eggs to name a few), water, air, vaccines, chem trails, cellphones, 4G, 5G cell towers, etc...

He also talks about the dangers of global warming (climate change)!

[Pam]

Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/12/08/dr-robert-o-young-graphene-vaccines/

Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.

This is the first time I've seen Dr. Young in an extended interview.
He's certainly an interesting man.

He's also an extremist!

I was aware of his stance on germ vs. terrain theory.
But I didn't know just how extreme his views were concerning potential toxins.

He cautions all about the dangers of many foods (sugar, meat, eggs to name a few), water, air, vaccines, chem trails, cellphones, 4G, 5G cell towers, etc...

He also talks about the dangers of global warming (climate change)!


Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain....:p teeeheeee..

Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?

[DaveToo]

Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain....:p teeeheeee..

Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?

Yes I agree, it's almost impossible to find anyone who's on exactly the same page as you are with even the big issues, let alone the smaller ones.

I won't dismiss someone because we aren't totally aligned in our views.

Dr. Young first and foremost belongs to the Terrain theory camp. I would dearly love to jump on board with him
and not look back. But there are a few nagging questions that would need to be answered satisfactorily first
before I could do that.

Overall we have a good grasp of what's been going on with this plandemic since it started.

1. The meaningless tests that drove and continues to drive it.
2. The killing of poor souls admitted to hospitals with Remdesivir and respirators.
3. The initiation of this killing by prohibiting the use of treatment drugs such as Ivermecton and HCQ.
4. The killing of more poor souls who were denied treatment for comorbidites other than Covid-19.
5. The killing/abuse of people who have been locked in their homes and succumbed to suicide, family abuse, drugs, depression etc.
6. The deadly injections that have been forced on most of the population by government, MSM, business and peer pressure.
7. The never-ending Covid-19 'variants' that go counter to all previous virus mutations. They keep getting more deadly instead of more mild!
8. The mandated vax passports that are totally unjustified since the vaxxed become infected and transmit just as easily as the non-vaxxed.

But there are also some things we still don't know.

1. How do we account for all of the serious Covid-19 cases around the world?
Sure most cases are simply false positives that boost the case count numbers.
Some serious cases could certainly be due to 5G. Others could be due to extreme air pollution in parts of the world.
But you quickly run out of toxins that can account for all the serious cases worldwide.

I would like the Terrain theorists to give me good reasonable explanations for them.
Sure it's easier for them now that we have the deadly injections, but what about before they were introduced?

What would account for the cluster of 'cases' at large gatherings, in businesses, districts in cities etc. and particularly those that resulted in substantial deaths?

2. Another big unknown is 'What is the breakdown of jab potency across countries and the world?'
We know of many of the adverse reactions that are publicized thankfully via the Alt-News sources.
But still they make up a tiny fraction of the billions who have received the jab.
How many are getting saline solutions?
How many are getting 1/4 potency jabs, 1/2 potency etc.?

3. How can virtually all of the medical establishment continue to keep silent on what should becoming so obvious to all of them?
Surely it can't be financial incentives?

4. There is a big disconnect between 'name' players in the Terrain vs. Germ Theory camps.
Both sides can not be right. That's impossible.

We have Terrain Theory proponents:
Dr. Kaufman
Dr. Cowan
Stefan Lanka
Dr. Robert Young
Dr. Sam Bailey

We have Germ Theory proponents:
Dr. Judy Mikovits
Dr. Zelenko
Dr. Peter McCullough
Dr. Malone
Dr. Tenpenny
Dr Larry Palevsky
Dr. Love
Dr. Coleman
Dr. David Martin
Dr. Fleming
Dr. Merritt
Dr. Mercola
Dr. Chetty
etc.

5. We need to reconcile the bioweapon vs. the 'natural virus' issue.
Growing numbers of people are convinced we have a bioweapon at play here (leaving aside the jabs).
But the Germ Theorists won't have either one!
They don't believe in viruses nor contagious bioweapons.

So as you can see there are still many unanswered questions as we come closer to the two year anniversary of this scamdemic.

I always keep an open mind but also remain cautiously skeptical.

That's a bit of a long-winded answer to your question Pam. :)

[norman]

DaveToo, great layout of the landscape.

Re: your item 5.

From my position of looking at it, with the assumptions I've already made intuitively, it seems to me the 'virus' part of the project was the last piece they put into place, after working on the general scheme of what they were aiming at, for decades.

Somewhere along the line they sketched out a tick list of requirements, and in most cases worked backwards from fixed target conditions, like, for instance, the ACE2 receptor within the human bodies.

Shockingly, the racial profiling that shows up, around the various ACE2 types, points a finger at both targets and culprits.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405580820301072

[avid]

Another ‘booster’ promoting announcement from Pm Boris tonight at 8.00pm.
To divert attention from his government fiascos.
To promote more fear-porn and ruin family Xmas celebrations. Disgraceful,
Here is the truth:
https://principia-scientific.com/south-african-doctor-who-found-omicron-variant-stunned-at-over-reaction (https://principia-scientific.com/south-african-doctor-who-found-omicron-variant-stunned-at-over-reaction/?fbclid=IwAR3knHq8buCV8qOHgK5GUHJJ02Ya3RzYWVT2UD8nJlV22O68cXE5Z0QSa0s)

South African Doctor Who Found Omicron Variant “Stunned” at Over-reaction

December 10, 2021
Written by Dr ANGELIQUE COETZEE

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As chair of the South African Medical Association and a GP of 33 years’ standing, I have seen a lot over my medical career. But nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

This version of the virus had been circulating in southern Africa for some time, having been previously identified in Botswana.

But given my public-facing role, by announcing its presence in my own patient, I unwittingly brought it to global attention.

Quite simply, I have been stunned at the response – and especially from Britain.
And let me be clear: nothing I have seen about this new variant warrants the extreme action the UK government has taken in response to it.

No one here in South Africa is known to have been hospitalised with the Omicron variant, nor is anyone here believed to have fallen seriously ill with it.

Nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

Yet Britain and other European nations have reacted with heavy travel restrictions on flights from across southern Africa, as well as imposing tighter rules at home on mask-wearing, fines and extended quarantines.

The simple truth is: we don’t know yet anywhere near enough about Omicron to make such judgments or to impose such policies.

The British government reaction to the Omicron variant has including an expansion of the booster jab roll-out to all adults.

In South Africa, we’ve retained a sense of perspective. We’ve had no new regulations or talk of lockdowns because we’re waiting to see what the variant actually means.

We’ve also become accustomed here to new Covid variants emerging. So when our scientists confirmed the discovery of yet another, nobody made a huge thing of it. Many people didn’t even notice.

But after Britain heard about it, the global picture started to change.

Even as our scientists tried to point out the huge gaps in the world’s knowledge about this variant, European nations immediately and unilaterally banned travel from this part of the world.

Our government was understandably angered by this, pointing out that ‘Excellent science should be applauded, not punished.’

If, as some evidence suggests, Omicron turns out to be a fast-spreading virus with mostly mild symptoms for the majority of the people who catch it, that would be a useful step on the road to herd immunity.

We’ll learn in the next two weeks if that’s the case.

The worst situation – of course – would be a fast-spreading virus with severe infections. But that’s not where we are at the moment.

Here in South Africa, what I and my GP colleagues are seeing doesn’t in any way warrant the knee-jerk reaction we’ve seen from the UK.

For one thing, we’re not – at least for now – treating patients who are severely ill.
Take my first Omicron case, the young man I mentioned earlier. It didn’t occur to him that he had Covid: he thought he’d had too much sun after working outside. After he tested positive, so did his wife and four-month-old baby.

So far, the patients who’ve tested positive for Omicron here have been mainly young men – a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated (though, in our statistics, ‘unvaccinated’ can also mean ‘single-vaccinated’).

Only yesterday, I saw five more patients who had tested positive for the new variant. They all had a very mild illness.

So, at the moment, I’m afraid it seems to me that Britain is merely hyping up the alarm about this variant unnecessarily.

Yes, the picture might one day look different. I have yet to see older, unvaccinated people infected with the new variant, for example, and they might well present with a more severe form of the disease.

But the reality is that Covid is something we have to learn to live with. Look after yourself and get your vaccines. Above all, don’t panic – and that goes for governments as well.
Dr Coetzee is chair of the South African Medical Association and first alerted the world to the Omicron Covid variant last week.

[Ewan]

I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?

Moving on, I also note a few recent news articles offering encouragement that this Omicron variant is 'good' as many will contract and form antibodies the natural way.

All well and good, but that won't stop them anouncing a 'doomsday' variant if they need to continue the farce. We can only hope this is offering them a way out where they can retreat and fall silent.

[Gwin Ru]

I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?
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Various world leaders, mainstream press outlets, and pharma companies are working hard to whip up fear and anxiety about omicron. Are those negative emotions deserved? No, not in the slightest.

Omicron spells the end of the Covid misadventure. At least that’s what the data suggests at this time. That’s great news. For you and me. Not so much for power and money-conflicted corporations and politicians who are rather attached to Covid being an endless and mind-numbingly expensive affair.

Omicron is explosively transmissive, that is quite true, but it is also incredibly mild compared to past variants of concern. For most people it’s barely a cold, if that. Sniffles, a headache, and some tiredness.

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[Pam]

Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain....:p teeeheeee..

Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?

Yes I agree, it's almost impossible to find anyone who's on exactly the same page as you are with even the big issues, let alone the smaller ones.

I won't dismiss someone because we aren't totally aligned in our views.

Dr. Young first and foremost belongs to the Terrain theory camp. I would dearly love to jump on board with him
and not look back. But there are a few nagging questions that would need to be answered satisfactorily first
before I could do that.

Overall we have a good grasp of what's been going on with this plandemic since it started.

1. The meaningless tests that drove and continues to drive it.
2. The killing of poor souls admitted to hospitals with Remdesivir and respirators.
3. The initiation of this killing by prohibiting the use of treatment drugs such as Ivermecton and HCQ.
4. The killing of more poor souls who were denied treatment for comorbidites other than Covid-19.
5. The killing/abuse of people who have been locked in their homes and succumbed to suicide, family abuse, drugs, depression etc.
6. The deadly injections that have been forced on most of the population by government, MSM, business and peer pressure.
7. The never-ending Covid-19 'variants' that go counter to all previous virus mutations. They keep getting more deadly instead of more mild!
8. The mandated vax passports that are totally unjustified since the vaxxed become infected and transmit just as easily as the non-vaxxed.

But there are also some things we still don't know.

1. How do we account for all of the serious Covid-19 cases around the world?
Sure most cases are simply false positives that boost the case count numbers.
Some serious cases could certainly be due to 5G. Others could be due to extreme air pollution in parts of the world.
But you quickly run out of toxins that can account for all the serious cases worldwide.

I would like the Terrain theorists to give me good reasonable explanations for them.
Sure it's easier for them now that we have the deadly injections, but what about before they were introduced?

What would account for the cluster of 'cases' at large gatherings, in businesses, districts in cities etc. and particularly those that resulted in substantial deaths?

2. Another big unknown is 'What is the breakdown of jab potency across countries and the world?'
We know of many of the adverse reactions that are publicized thankfully via the Alt-News sources.
But still they make up a tiny fraction of the billions who have received the jab.
How many are getting saline solutions?
How many are getting 1/4 potency jabs, 1/2 potency etc.?

3. How can virtually all of the medical establishment continue to keep silent on what should becoming so obvious to all of them?
Surely it can't be financial incentives?

4. There is a big disconnect between 'name' players in the Terrain vs. Germ Theory camps.
Both sides can not be right. That's impossible.

We have Terrain Theory proponents:
Dr. Kaufman
Dr. Cowan
Stefan Lanka
Dr. Robert Young
Dr. Sam Bailey

We have Germ Theory proponents:
Dr. Judy Mikovits
Dr. Zelenko
Dr. Peter McCullough
Dr. Malone
Dr. Tenpenny
Dr Larry Palevsky
Dr. Love
Dr. Coleman
Dr. David Martin
Dr. Fleming
Dr. Merritt
Dr. Mercola
Dr. Chetty
etc.

5. We need to reconcile the bioweapon vs. the 'natural virus' issue.
Growing numbers of people are convinced we have a bioweapon at play here (leaving aside the jabs).
But the Germ Theorists won't have either one!
They don't believe in viruses nor contagious bioweapons.

So as you can see there are still many unanswered questions as we come closer to the two year anniversary of this scamdemic.

I always keep an open mind but also remain cautiously skeptical.

That's a bit of a long-winded answer to your question Pam. :)

I absolutely agree with everything you stated. And a great summary. It was actually really helpful to me to see everything summarized. The thing we can all agree on is that there is a war being waged against the very existence of humanity. I am endlessly curious so I give consideration to all sorts of things,question many things. At the end of the day, what you have summarized here is what is the pressing issue of the day, I readily agree and my point is not to be decisive or disrespectful to anyone here and the hard and excellent work that has been done to sort this mess out.

Your role in being able to keep the information together and make sense out of it has been very important and I do appreciate it. I don't have anything carved in stone in my mind and at this point, what you have stated are the up front issues of this world at this time. Thanks Dave. Merry Christmas!

[Pam]

DaveToo, great layout of the landscape.

Re: your item 5.

From my position of looking at it, with the assumptions I've already made intuitively, it seems to me the 'virus' part of the project was the last piece they put into place, after working on the general scheme of what they were aiming at, for decades.

Somewhere along the line they sketched out a tick list of requirements, and in most cases worked backwards from fixed target conditions, like, for instance, the ACE2 receptor within the human bodies.

Shockingly, the racial profiling that shows up, around the various ACE2 types, points a finger at both targets and culprits.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405580820301072

OMG...this is amazing, norman. I don't know where you found this but what an interesting study and of course the findings might have been suspected.. there has been absolutely no doubt that the they have no need for people of European decent on this planet in large groups any longer. It's of interest to note that many of the "elite" are of European decent but they never count themselves in any of this torture, do they.

[Pam]

Another ‘booster’ promoting announcement from Pm Boris tonight at 8.00pm.
To divert attention from his government fiascos.
To promote more fear-porn and ruin family Xmas celebrations. Disgraceful,
Here is the truth:
https://principia-scientific.com/south-african-doctor-who-found-omicron-variant-stunned-at-over-reaction (https://principia-scientific.com/south-african-doctor-who-found-omicron-variant-stunned-at-over-reaction/?fbclid=IwAR3knHq8buCV8qOHgK5GUHJJ02Ya3RzYWVT2UD8nJlV22O68cXE5Z0QSa0s)

South African Doctor Who Found Omicron Variant “Stunned” at Over-reaction

December 10, 2021
Written by Dr ANGELIQUE COETZEE

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As chair of the South African Medical Association and a GP of 33 years’ standing, I have seen a lot over my medical career. But nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

This version of the virus had been circulating in southern Africa for some time, having been previously identified in Botswana.

But given my public-facing role, by announcing its presence in my own patient, I unwittingly brought it to global attention.

Quite simply, I have been stunned at the response – and especially from Britain.
And let me be clear: nothing I have seen about this new variant warrants the extreme action the UK government has taken in response to it.

No one here in South Africa is known to have been hospitalised with the Omicron variant, nor is anyone here believed to have fallen seriously ill with it.

Nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

Yet Britain and other European nations have reacted with heavy travel restrictions on flights from across southern Africa, as well as imposing tighter rules at home on mask-wearing, fines and extended quarantines.

The simple truth is: we don’t know yet anywhere near enough about Omicron to make such judgments or to impose such policies.

The British government reaction to the Omicron variant has including an expansion of the booster jab roll-out to all adults.

In South Africa, we’ve retained a sense of perspective. We’ve had no new regulations or talk of lockdowns because we’re waiting to see what the variant actually means.

We’ve also become accustomed here to new Covid variants emerging. So when our scientists confirmed the discovery of yet another, nobody made a huge thing of it. Many people didn’t even notice.

But after Britain heard about it, the global picture started to change.

Even as our scientists tried to point out the huge gaps in the world’s knowledge about this variant, European nations immediately and unilaterally banned travel from this part of the world.

Our government was understandably angered by this, pointing out that ‘Excellent science should be applauded, not punished.’

If, as some evidence suggests, Omicron turns out to be a fast-spreading virus with mostly mild symptoms for the majority of the people who catch it, that would be a useful step on the road to herd immunity.

We’ll learn in the next two weeks if that’s the case.

The worst situation – of course – would be a fast-spreading virus with severe infections. But that’s not where we are at the moment.

Here in South Africa, what I and my GP colleagues are seeing doesn’t in any way warrant the knee-jerk reaction we’ve seen from the UK.

For one thing, we’re not – at least for now – treating patients who are severely ill.
Take my first Omicron case, the young man I mentioned earlier. It didn’t occur to him that he had Covid: he thought he’d had too much sun after working outside. After he tested positive, so did his wife and four-month-old baby.

So far, the patients who’ve tested positive for Omicron here have been mainly young men – a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated (though, in our statistics, ‘unvaccinated’ can also mean ‘single-vaccinated’).

Only yesterday, I saw five more patients who had tested positive for the new variant. They all had a very mild illness.

So, at the moment, I’m afraid it seems to me that Britain is merely hyping up the alarm about this variant unnecessarily.

Yes, the picture might one day look different. I have yet to see older, unvaccinated people infected with the new variant, for example, and they might well present with a more severe form of the disease.

But the reality is that Covid is something we have to learn to live with. Look after yourself and get your vaccines. Above all, don’t panic – and that goes for governments as well.
Dr Coetzee is chair of the South African Medical Association and first alerted the world to the Omicron Covid variant last week.


Lets assume that viruses are real. What testing are they doing that allows someone to determine if the specific variant? The PCR test that is well known to be totally inaccurate and even in many cases in the US they now admit that some of the tests have conveniently been "contaminate" with DNA. Can anyone explain this to me? I am serious. How to they get knowledge of variants?

[Gwin Ru]

[...]
...my issues/questions are:
[...]

How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)

... the never ending story of the chicken and the egg... the "problem" cannot be solved from inside the box it has been put in:


a "virus" is the be all end all of materialism



a "terrain" reaches out to the energetic environment affecting a soup of pre-existing conditions/criters/organisms/etc...

Let's take the "common cold" critter; it's there all the time, has been around for eons, etc... what makes it turn into a "cold" in some individuals and not other?

Free-zoners may understand the following: a common cold can be made to disappear at the snap of a finger by asking the miserably sniffling individual:
"Have you experienced a severe loss or feared you'd lose someone/something recently?"

"Well, yeah... they told me I was going to kill my kids and grand kids if I don't quarantine..."
... that's the emotional, energetic "terrain" that will trigger the ever present common cold into activation and run amok in an individual; so much the better if that ever-present critter has been lab-tweaked to be deadly instead of being mild...

That's just to illustrate that a "terrain" goes beyond the materialism box and takes into account the "environment", whether emotional, psychological, resonant frequencies, pollution - physical or energetic - or spiritual (as in from the spirit world).

... and the mass media have been yelling "Fire" in their theatres for 2 years now, promoting fear and losses at every street corners... "they" do know how humans react.

... anyway, my couple of cents...

[Pam]

[...]
...my issues/questions are:
[...]

How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)

... the never ending story of the chicken and the egg... the "problem" cannot be solved from inside the box it has been put in:


a "virus" is the be all end all of materialism



a "terrain" reaches out to the energetic environment affecting a soup of pre-existing conditions/criters/organisms/etc...

Let's take the "common cold" critter; it's there all the time, has been around for eons, etc... what makes it turn into a "cold" in some individuals and not other?

Free-zoners may understand the following: a common cold can be made to disappear at the snap of a finger by asking the miserably sniffling individual:
"Have you experienced a severe loss or feared you'd lose someone/something recently?"

"Well, yeah... they told me I was going to kill my kids and grand kids if I don't quarantine..."
... that's the emotional, energetic "terrain" that will trigger the ever present common cold into activation and run amok in an individual; so much the better if that ever-present critter has been lab-tweaked to be deadly instead of being mild...

That's just to illustrate that a "terrain" goes beyond the materialism box and takes into account the "environment", whether emotional, psychological, resonant frequencies, pollution - physical or energetic - or spiritual (as in from the spirit world).

... and the mass media have been yelling "Fire" in their theatres for 2 years now, promoting fear and losses at every street corners... "they" do know how humans react.

... anyway, my couple of cents...

Oh my goodness!!!!! This means so much to me. This makes sense and feels so accurate. We have been locked in this box of materialism and the limiting power that language can create that it requires opening up on so many levels. I so get this now that you bring it out. Language and words and concepts can be a wonderful thing but they also serve a a invisible, indistinguishable prison under certain circumstances. Just being locked or fixed on one concept, such as terrain can create a figurative shackle of understanding. Once again, there is that fractal stream of knowing and I just got to go to another level in the fractal thanks to your sharing your understanding. It allows for what they might be doing in those labs and the operation of this strange, wonderful reality at other levels all at the same time. What a great Christmas present!!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to share this.

[Conaire]

It's Christmas day, I tested positive two days ago. The timing was awful, because I'm missing out on a big family Christmas.

My personal experience with Covid hasn't been a traumatic one. My symptoms have been mild to non-existent. Tiredness, shivers, a slight sore throat. Definitely had worse flus in the past. I wouldn't have taken time off work, if it wasn't for the need to be isolated.

In my experience Covid posed little danger to me.

*side-note. I'm not jabbed. However, I can safely say, that over this last week, close to 100% of the people I've been in contact with have been jabbed. I work in a restaurant. Here in Ireland only the fully jabbed are allowed inside of restaurants, bars, etc. All my colleagues, bar one, is jabbed. So, I've most likely contacted Covid from someone who's been jabbed.

[Pam]

I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?

Moving on, I also note a few recent news articles offering encouragement that this Omicron variant is 'good' as many will contract and form antibodies the natural way.

All well and good, but that won't stop them anouncing a 'doomsday' variant if they need to continue the farce. We can only hope this is offering them a way out where they can retreat and fall silent.

I see we have been thinking along the same lines with the determination of all these variants. I posted something along the same lines before I saw your post. You can bet the variant card game will be played until the cards are so worn out, the deck will be unusable. I have already seen from the way people operate in the stores and out and about that this whole thing might still terrify a few but it is so ridiculously overplayed that they just can't generate any where near the level of fear that they used to. Of course, that has been traded for righteous indignation against the evil unvaxxed but the raw fear they used to get, they have played one hand too many, I am thinking and feeling. That is a very good thing in a world of crappy news.

Merry Christmas Ewan, I hope your time off work has been relaxing for you.

[Pam]

It's Christmas day, I tested positive two days ago. The timing was awful, because I'm missing out on a big family Christmas.

My personal experience with Covid hasn't been a traumatic one. My symptoms have been mild to non-existent. Tiredness, shivers, a slight sore throat. Definitely had worse flus in the past. I wouldn't have taken time off work, if it wasn't for the need to be isolated.

In my experience Covid posed little danger to me.

*side-note. I'm not jabbed. However, I can safely say, that over this last week, close to 100% of the people I've been in contact with have been jabbed. I work in a restaurant. Here in Ireland only the fully jabbed are allowed inside of restaurants, bars, etc. All my colleagues, bar one, is jabbed. So, I've most likely contacted Covid from someone who's been jabbed.

Thank you for sharing this is very valuable information. I am sorry you aren't feeling good but very happy this seems to be no big deal. This is what I would expect for most people that are reasonably healthy. I would love for your info to get out to more members on other threads. Do you mind if I quote you? This is the kind of stuff that need to be heard.

Once again, thanks for sharing!!!!

[Conaire]

Of course not Pam. Free free.

[DaveToo]

It's Christmas day, I tested positive two days ago. The timing was awful, because I'm missing out on a big family Christmas.

My personal experience with Covid hasn't been a traumatic one. My symptoms have been mild to non-existent. Tiredness, shivers, a slight sore throat. Definitely had worse flus in the past. I wouldn't have taken time off work, if it wasn't for the need to be isolated.

In my experience Covid posed little danger to me.

*side-note. I'm not jabbed. However, I can safely say, that over this last week, close to 100% of the people I've been in contact with have been jabbed. I work in a restaurant. Here in Ireland only the fully jabbed are allowed inside of restaurants, bars, etc. All my colleagues, bar one, is jabbed. So, I've most likely contacted Covid from someone who's been jabbed.

Unless you haven't really contracted Covid, but rather are experiencing the common cold/flu and have received yet another false positive PCR test result.
Could you please tell us how/why you got your PCR test?

Personally I would never take their test given all we know about it.

Try to have a Merry Christmas!

[DaveToo]

Lets assume that viruses are real. What testing are they doing that allows someone to determine if the specific variant? The PCR test that is well known to be totally inaccurate and even in many cases in the US they now admit that some of the tests have conveniently been "contaminate" with DNA. Can anyone explain this to me? I am serious. How to they get knowledge of variants?

Pam I can only go with what we are told by the medical establishment.
I remain skeptical about their explanations, as always.

According to the CDC there are no tests available to the public (like the PCR tests)
that will tell you which variant you are infected with.

What they allegedly do is take a bunch of positive PCR test samples in various regions and send them
to special labs that do 'whole-genome sequencing'. They aren't testing Jan Doe's or John Smith's
personally labelled test (so they can be returned to the sender) but rather carrying out huge batches of tests.

Needless to say this is a very costly and time-consuming process.
Once they have the results say on 200-300 samples they extrapolate.
That's how they say, "Oh, Omicron is now making up 90% of the cases in New York" (or California or the U.S.).

To me it's all voodoo science.

[Gwin Ru]

I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?
[...]



I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?
[...]

I see we have been thinking along the same lines with the determination of all these variants. [...]
Chris Martenson explains it a bit with illustrations (here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110508-Covid19-There-s-very-little-danger-Covid19-may-not-exist-at-all.&p=1470843&viewfull=1#post1470843))

Here is a similar take and data about it:

Dr. Andrew Kaufman Exposes the ‘Omicron Variant’ Scam that Increases Covid Case Numbers (https://needtoknow.news/2021/12/dr-andrew-kaufman-exposes-the-omicran-variant-scam-used-to-increases-covid-case-numbers/)

Dr. Andrew Kaufman (https://needtoknow.news/author/bookworm33/)
December 27, 2021 (https://needtoknow.news/2021/12/)

Dr. Andrew Kaufman explained that in the usual PCR test protocol, there are three primers (fragments of single stranded DNA), and if all three are positive, it is considered to be a positive test and the person is diagnosed with Covid.

But now the criteria has changed and only two primers are required for a test to be deemed positive.

The change in protocol is a way to convert negative results to positive results and call it a new thing, which was named Omicron.

The result is an increase in the number of Covid cases.

Dr. Kaufman has shown many times that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has never been isolated, a process of separating it from everything else and viewing it under a microscope, and cannot be proven to exist.

Similarly, the new Omicron variant of the Covid virus has yet to be isolated and proven to exist.

Omicron is an ‘in silico’ computer-produced genome sequence. There is no clinical test authorized, approved, or available for purchase for any variant!

There are no scientific publications studying Omicron.

David Icke summarizes Dr. Andrew Kaufman’s findings in this short video clip:


https://needtoknow.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Screen-Shot-2021-12-27-at-12.02.34-AM-300x166.jpg (https://www.bitchute.com/video/zqb47iUluTQl/)


Link for video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zqb47iUluTQl/


Dr. Kaufman’s full interview:

https://needtoknow.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Screen-Shot-2021-12-27-at-12.00.19-AM-300x170.jpg (https://www.bitchute.com/video/zKygBnjEzohx/)


Link for video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zKygBnjEzohx/

[waxamillionpehhgasus]

Cathartic to see this thread. I admittedly had a tough time even considering the idea that the virus may not exist. Looking into germ theory was the first step and then it started to click into place.

For anyone reading this thread and scoffing - saying, "okay, maybe it's not as big of a deal as they make it out to be, but there's no way it doesn't exist..." - I invite you to read the following three blog posts in order and evaluate your position.

1) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/05/a-million-new-covid-cases-in-one-day-news-for-yokels-rubes-and-educated-morons/

2) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/06/covid-if-there-is-no-virus-why-are-people-dying-why/

3) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/07/new-level-of-covid-fakery-im-doubling-down/

One thing I'm on the fence about is if something may have happened to cause weird symptoms in some people that was not a virus. Like, a weird government project related to microwave rays or something. I do see lots of anecdotal reports of people having lost their senses of taste and smell. There could be something there - or, people might now just be paying attention to what happens when they get sick, and realizing that stuff doesn't really taste too good and they can't smell very well. I'm not convinced as to the anecdotal reports that "so many people got really sick", because people get really damn sick all of the time it seems, it's just now, getting sick is a badge of honor, whereas before, it was not. And add in the fact that people think they're going to get sick, and get really sick, so they do. Placebo.

Overall, I don't think it exists and I think we're dealing with mass hysteria, though I am potentially open to the idea that something may have happened in 2020 to cause a lot of people to develop a variety of strange symptoms.

[Blastolabs]

48408I will use a story about a book as an allegory for current genetic sequencing and PCR testing.


Let's say you took the text from the Bible and uploaded it into a super computer.

You then divided the entire book into 3 letter segments.

Then you tell this supercomputer to use these 3 letter sequences to write a different book.

Lets tell it to write Kurt Vonegut's "Breakfast of Champions"

The computer is able to use any of the 3 letter groups as many times as it wants.

Eventually if the computer successfully writes "Breakfast of Champions" would you agree that the Bible "contains" the other book.

This is very similar to how modern genetic sequencing of viruses works.

A virus is made up of a string of just a few amino acids.

The viral sample is never actually isolated and instead ALWAYS mixed with a cell culture (typically monkey kidney cells)

We all know that monkey kidney cells are also made from amino acids...

As the cells break down we know there will be millions of random strings of amino acids in the mixture regardless of if a viral sample was added or not.

This mixture is analyzed by a super computer to look for tiny fragments of amino acid chains that match whatever virus you are looking for.

Just like in the story above virologist tell the computer which exact viral genome they are looking for.

Overtime the computer pieces together these tiny amino acid sequences until they have "isolated a virus'

But did they really isolate a virus?

Or did the computer just find the right amino acids from the monkey kidney cells?

[Pam]

Cathartic to see this thread. I admittedly had a tough time even considering the idea that the virus may not exist. Looking into germ theory was the first step and then it started to click into place.

For anyone reading this thread and scoffing - saying, "okay, maybe it's not as big of a deal as they make it out to be, but there's no way it doesn't exist..." - I invite you to read the following three blog posts in order and evaluate your position.

1) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/05/a-million-new-covid-cases-in-one-day-news-for-yokels-rubes-and-educated-morons/

2) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/06/covid-if-there-is-no-virus-why-are-people-dying-why/

3) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/07/new-level-of-covid-fakery-im-doubling-down/

One thing I'm on the fence about is if something may have happened to cause weird symptoms in some people that was not a virus. Like, a weird government project related to microwave rays or something. I do see lots of anecdotal reports of people having lost their senses of taste and smell. There could be something there - or, people might now just be paying attention to what happens when they get sick, and realizing that stuff doesn't really taste too good and they can't smell very well. I'm not convinced as to the anecdotal reports that "so many people got really sick", because people get really damn sick all of the time it seems, it's just now, getting sick is a badge of honor, whereas before, it was not. And add in the fact that people think they're going to get sick, and get really sick, so they do. Placebo.

Overall, I don't think it exists and I think we're dealing with mass hysteria, though I am potentially open to the idea that something may have happened in 2020 to cause a lot of people to develop a variety of strange symptoms.

I have read in a number of places that people have diminished the sense of smell and taste after taking a pcr test, even though they allegedly tested negative. I even saw a video that explained the rationale for it. So that is a possibility.

Also, I recall having diminished smell and taste with the symptom cluster of what is commonly known as a common cold.

Welcome to the forum waxamillionpehhgasus!!!

[Pam]

48408I will use a story about a book as an allegory for current genetic sequencing and PCR testing.


Let's say you took the text from the Bible and uploaded it into a super computer.

You then divided the entire book into 3 letter segments.

Then you tell this supercomputer to use these 3 letter sequences to write a different book.

Lets tell it to write Kurt Vonegut's "Breakfast of Champions"

The computer is able to use any of the 3 letter groups as many times as it wants.

Eventually if the computer successfully writes "Breakfast of Champions" would you agree that the Bible "contains" the other book.

This is very similar to how modern genetic sequencing of viruses works.

A virus is made up of a string of just a few amino acids.

The viral sample is never actually isolated and instead ALWAYS mixed with a cell culture (typically monkey kidney cells)

We all know that monkey kidney cells are also made from amino acids...

As the cells break down we know there will be millions of random strings of amino acids in the mixture regardless of if a viral sample was added or not.

This mixture is analyzed by a super computer to look for tiny fragments of amino acid chains that match whatever virus you are looking for.

Just like in the story above virologist tell the computer which exact viral genome they are looking for.

Overtime the computer pieces together these tiny amino acid sequences until they have "isolated a virus'

But did they really isolate a virus?

Or did the computer just find the right amino acids from the monkey kidney cells?


This is beautifully stated. What a nice way to make the concept understandable. Thanks!!!

I believe we are witness to a high tech shell game here. One that uses the reverence and authority of what is known as science. We have watched the corruption of every core institution we have believed were pillars of the society we live in. Why would "science" be any different? Our religious like faith in science and the infallibility of our technical advances, our high tech, is being used to invert the truth on a very large scale.

[gord]

Cathartic to see this thread. I admittedly had a tough time even considering the idea that the virus may not exist. Looking into germ theory was the first step and then it started to click into place.

For anyone reading this thread and scoffing - saying, "okay, maybe it's not as big of a deal as they make it out to be, but there's no way it doesn't exist..." - I invite you to read the following three blog posts in order and evaluate your position.

1) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/05/a-million-new-covid-cases-in-one-day-news-for-yokels-rubes-and-educated-morons/

2) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/06/covid-if-there-is-no-virus-why-are-people-dying-why/

3) https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/07/new-level-of-covid-fakery-im-doubling-down/

One thing I'm on the fence about is if something may have happened to cause weird symptoms in some people that was not a virus. Like, a weird government project related to microwave rays or something. I do see lots of anecdotal reports of people having lost their senses of taste and smell. There could be something there - or, people might now just be paying attention to what happens when they get sick, and realizing that stuff doesn't really taste too good and they can't smell very well. I'm not convinced as to the anecdotal reports that "so many people got really sick", because people get really damn sick all of the time it seems, it's just now, getting sick is a badge of honor, whereas before, it was not. And add in the fact that people think they're going to get sick, and get really sick, so they do. Placebo.

Overall, I don't think it exists and I think we're dealing with mass hysteria, though I am potentially open to the idea that something may have happened in 2020 to cause a lot of people to develop a variety of strange symptoms.

I've been reading through those three articles and the comments. In the comments for the second one there is this bit of transcript (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/06/covid-if-there-is-no-virus-why-are-people-dying-why/#comment-686440) from an unlisted Dr. Richard Fleming youtube (Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0MYmKY8_U)):

“132:48 next slide please this is
132:52 what source code v2 looks like and if
132:54 and i will i will send you the video so
132:55 you can show it
132:57 of the side on the right shows it goes
132:59 up and down and you can see the actual
133:01 source corona
133:02 cov2 virus uh with its spiked proteins
133:06 in its corona shape i’ll send that to
133:08 you so you can play that
133:10 it’s it’s incredibly important because
133:13 there are people out there that are
133:14 actually of the opinion that
133:16 sars cov2 doesn’t exist and has not been
133:19 isolated
133:20 these individuals not only have
133:22 demonstrated they don’t understand
133:23 viruses
133:24 but they interfere with the with the
133:26 serious discussion going on with this
133:28 virus “


I have no idea. I'm just putting it in here.

[DaveToo]

I've been reading through those three articles and the comments. In the comments for the second one there is this bit of transcript (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/06/covid-if-there-is-no-virus-why-are-people-dying-why/#comment-686440) from an unlisted Dr. Richard Fleming youtube (Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0MYmKY8_U)):

“132:48 next slide please this is
132:52 what source code v2 looks like and if
132:54 and i will i will send you the video so
132:55 you can show it
132:57 of the side on the right shows it goes
132:59 up and down and you can see the actual
133:01 source corona
133:02 cov2 virus uh with its spiked proteins
133:06 in its corona shape i’ll send that to
133:08 you so you can play that
133:10 it’s it’s incredibly important because
133:13 there are people out there that are
133:14 actually of the opinion that
133:16 sars cov2 doesn’t exist and has not been
133:19 isolated
133:20 these individuals not only have
133:22 demonstrated they don’t understand
133:23 viruses
133:24 but they interfere with the with the
133:26 serious discussion going on with this
133:28 virus “


I have no idea. I'm just putting it in here.

Gord I have been aware of Dr. Fleming's credentials and position on viruses for quite some time now.

I mentioned in a post a number of months ago that I would love to see him and say Dr. Kaufman or Dr. Cowan
in a debate on Germ vs. Terrain Theory.

I'm sure sparks would fly! :)

[gnostic9]

I think this fits here. The same game!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUm1T0dqJOg


Love peace and joy to all!