The face mask discussion

[TomKat]

Maybe we have all been exposed. How can anyone claim that we have been with complete certainty? To me this is a red flag for someone who is speaking from an ideological base, not a purely scientific one.

We live in a world of ideological science by govt-funded consensus. Buyer beware. I'm not buying.

[palehorse]

I posted a month ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110697-A-World-Pushing-Back-Against-CV19-Lockdown-The-Protests-The-Revolts-The-Non-Compliance&p=1352482&viewfull=1#post1352482) that in Ecuador, masks are mandatory. So there are no personal decisions to be made, if one wants to enter any store. But today, things went from 'red' to 'yellow', and that was just SO great to see.

90% of the stores were open, and all the malls. The streets were crowded, and the only thing that wasn't quite normal again, despite the ubiquitous masks, was no buses — yet, but there will be soon: one person per double seat. Buses are vitally important for all the people here.

I believe there are some restrictions on some restaurants. And the overnight curfew has been rolled back from starting at 2pm to starting at 9pm. That makes a big difference, all on its own.

But what hit me was this. It was just so heartening to see people working again, selling things again, buying things again.

That's critically important, more so than anything else right now. Against that, discussions about masks are comparatively trivial.

Ecuador dropped the ball in Guayaquil for a couple weeks, with the whole world watching. For a short while, things were truly awful there. But apart from that period of local chaos, things have been orderly, quiet, well-organized, and the government has been hell-bent on re-opening the country in a reasonable way now that hospitals aren't overwhelmed any more. And there have been no shortages of anything at all.

After all, that was the stated purpose of all the lockdowns in every country. Just to flatten the curve.

No-one in Ecuador is talking about a vaccine. Just about getting the fatalities and ICU cases down — real numbers or not. Those stats drive the decisions. At least, here they do.

So America, take note. Get the people back to work. Masks or not, it doesn't matter all that much.

It's starting to look like the US may be one of the last first world countries to fully open up again. If wearing masks helps a return to normality (the original normal, not the "new" one!), that that has to be tolerable. Societies all over the world HAVE to return to regular business, or there'll be the biggest catastrophe in the last 100 years.

There's absolutely NO logical reason that I'm aware of why almost every country can't be doing the same thing right now as Ecuador.
:happy dog:

If they're not, then something else is driving the decisions.

Very nice to know, thanks for sharing it, I was about to post something similar about Thailand relaxing the curfew, markets, etc, I am referring your post because the situation here is quite similar.
The market is open normally, wet market people start working, I am not so sure if they ever stopped, because they supply fresh food for the restaurants and the restaurants were open all time during the pandemic (delivery and take away), now restaurants are fully open, there is some restrictions like sell alcohol but they are open and people can actually eat in the restaurant.
The curfew here start 23:00 (before 22:00) and goes until 3:00 (before 4:00), the government said it will easy the curfew since the number of cases are very low now.
I heard that starting 5th June the beaches will be re-opened, beach sellers will have a few new rules to obey, 1 day in the week will not be allowed market on the beach.
In general the Thai people are working, but the tourism is very low now since they closed the airport, I am not sure yet when they will re-open the international flights, at this moment it still closed, if I am not wrong only flights out of Thailand are allowed at this moment.
Factories in the country are open and producing as far as i know, few days back I talked with 2 workers and they said, it never really stopped, at least the factory they work.
The city I live on there is no public buses, most of people have their scooters/cars and there is Van and train, but they never stopped, even at peak moment of the pandemic.
Perhaps Thailand got a mild strain of this virus, because the number here are very low if compared to other countries, or perhaps they are lying about the numbers, but truly I see no cases in my area, nothing. I heard from a friend that a couple from Spain that I know them, were hospitalized, but they returned home after a few days, it was not Covid-19 it was something else.

I am glad everything seems to be going back to "normal".

[Mandala]

As a science major, I wear a mask out of respect for others, especially my friends that are nurses and doctors. They have seen so much loss. More in 10 weeks than many medical professionals see in a year or more. Plus, the hotspots where big crowds gather without any care of social distancing or masks, have a much higher numbers. Sure a lot of people die with seasonal flu, if you are elderly or have compromised immune system, you are more at risk. This particular virus is on steroids, and if you are compromised and and anchors in your lungs you may not make it. I don’t think it’s finished yet. The people I know who had it felt sure they were going to die. I’m still not convinced it was not bioengineered. I wear a mask, even though it provide little or no protection for me, if I’m asymptomatic, I don’t want to make it easier for others to get it from me. I’m waiting to get an antibody test because I was so sick for 5 weeks around March I didn’t think I was going to make it. My fever was 100.3 when I first got sick and they would test me if it wasn’t 100.4. Lol.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I wear a mask when I go to areas that it is requested. Out of respect to others, there has been enough hate and discontent in this world without me adding too it. I have seen the infection rate double in the town nearest me, in one day we went from 20 to 40. I believe this is due to more extensive testing.

I will be happy for the world to return to normal but my heart doubts it ever will.

[Harmony]

As a science major, I wear a mask out of respect for others, especially my friends that are nurses and doctors. They have seen so much loss. More in 10 weeks than many medical professionals see in a year or more. Plus, the hotspots where big crowds gather without any care of social distancing or masks, have a much higher numbers. Sure a lot of people die with seasonal flu, if you are elderly or have compromised immune system, you are more at risk. This particular virus is on steroids, and if you are compromised and and anchors in your lungs you may not make it. I don’t think it’s finished yet. The people I know who had it felt sure they were going to die. I’m still not convinced it was not bioengineered. I wear a mask, even though it provide little or no protection for me, if I’m asymptomatic, I don’t want to make it easier for others to get it from me. I’m waiting to get an antibody test because I was so sick for 5 weeks around March I didn’t think I was going to make it. My fever was 100.3 when I first got sick and they would test me if it wasn’t 100.4. Lol.

Dear Mandala, It sounds like it has been difficult in your locality. Wishing you a full recovery, may you be well and safe !! 💓

[greybeard]

Unmasking The Science You Aren’t Hearing On TV | COVID-19 Facts from the Frontline | Tony Robbins


Introducing the “Facts From the Frontlines” episode of #TheTonyRobbinsPodcast – where Tony uncovers the truth about coronavirus with a 7-person panel of highly qualified researchers, an experienced epidemiologist, a Nobel Laureate, and M.D.s testing and treating patients on the frontlines. Together, they reveal the evidence-based research that has come to light in the last two months.

This is one of the most important interviews Tony has ever conducted. It reminds us to stand guard at the door of our mind, practice discernment when determining trustworthy sources, and think critically in order to stay flexible and maintain the ability to pivot in light of new information – especially when lives depend on it.

To hear the full interview, go here: https://www.tonyrobbins.com/podcasts/...

0:00 - Intro
1:07 - WFO Death Toll
1:19 - Journey
1:47 - Who's on the Podcast
2:08 - Unmasking The Science
2:14 - Dr. Michael Levitt
3:30 - Dr. Alan Preston
4:22 - Sen. Scott Jensen, M.D.
7:27 - Dr. Michael Roizen
8:40 - Dr. Dan Erickson
9:05 - Dr. Artin Massihi
10:10 Dr. Eran Bendavid
11:26 - Tony Robbins Closing Statement


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b0AhqvAVw

[greybeard]

Coronavirus: Face coverings compulsory on public transport in England from 15 June
People in England could be fined for not wearing face coverings on public transport from 15 June, the government has said.

Transport secretary Grant Shapps confirmed on Wednesday that face coverings will become mandatory as more people return to work amid the coronavirus pandemic.

He warned: “You could be refused travel if you don’t comply, and you could be fined.” He didn’t say how much the fines will be.

Shapps said the rule will be enforced by British Transport Police officers, but added: “I expect the vast majority of people won’t need to be forced into this because wearing a face covering helps protect others.
Commuters wearing face masks on the Jubilee line in central London, after the introduction of measures to bring the country out of lockdown.
Face coverings will become mandatory on public transport from 15 June. (PA)

“Most people simply want to help defeat this disease.”

The date – 15 June – marks the next planned easing of the lockdown, when non-essential shops will be allowed to reopen and some pupils will return to secondary schools.

Shapps, who was speaking at the daily coronavirus press conference in Downing Street, said there will be exemptions for very young children, disabled people and people with breathing difficulties.

He added: “With more people using transport, the evidence suggests that wearing face coverings offers some – albeit limited – protection against the spread of the virus.”

Network Rail chairman Sir Peter Hendy said he expects most passengers to comply with the requirement.

“I am not expecting a huge upsurge in railway staff having to police this,” he told the briefing.

“I am expecting sensible passengers to do their duty and look after themselves and others.”

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan, responding to the announcement, said the government “has finally seen sense”.
Read more: How to make and wear your own 'face covering'

“This is something I and others have been calling on ministers to do for some time,” he said, “and is in line with a large body of evidence that they can help stop the spread of coronavirus.”

Meanwhile, Shapps suggested that passengers on trains starting outside England may have to put on coverings when crossing the border.

He said: “You would need to be wearing it in England, that’s absolutely true.”

Scotland and Wales will be left to issue their own guidance, the transport secretary added.

Scotland has already issued a recommendation for people to use face coverings while food shopping and using public transport. Nicola Sturgeon said on Wednesday she is considering making it mandatory.
Top scientists respond to announcement

Dr Antonio Lazzarino, from University College London’s department of epidemiology and public health said: “While no ad-hoc studies with a correct design have been carried out, it is now commonly accepted that face coverings provide very little protection, if any.”

However, Trish Greenhalgh, professor of primary care health services at the University of Oxford, was more positive: “Face coverings aren’t 100% effective, but they’re not 0% effective either. I’ve seen evidence that a double layer of cloth is between 60% and 90% effective in stopping the spread of viral-laden droplets coming from the wearer, and also that the same mask is also 30% to 50% effective at stopping virus particles getting to the wearer.

“You can argue about the exact percentages, but overall, if everyone wears a face covering when they’re at close quarters, transmission is going to go down dramatically.”

Prof Sian Griffiths, who was co-chair of the Hong Kong government’s SARS inquiry, said: “The evidence for the use of face masks or face coverings has been accumulating and it is now widely accepted that, along with other social distancing measures and hygiene measures, they can contribute to decreasing the risk of transmission in the community.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/face-coverings-mandatory-public-transport-161357580.html

[Philippe]

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However, Trish Greenhalgh, professor of primary care health services at the University of Oxford, was more positive: “Face coverings aren’t 100% effective, but they’re not 0% effective either. I’ve seen evidence that a double layer of cloth is between 60% and 90% effective in stopping the spread of viral-laden droplets coming from the wearer, and also that the same mask is also 30% to 50% effective at stopping virus particles getting to the wearer.

“You can argue about the exact percentages, but overall, if everyone wears a face covering when they’re at close quarters, transmission is going to go down dramatically.”

Prof Sian Griffiths, who was co-chair of the Hong Kong government’s SARS inquiry, said: “The evidence for the use of face masks or face coverings has been accumulating and it is now widely accepted that, along with other social distancing measures and hygiene measures, they can contribute to decreasing the risk of transmission in the community.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/face-coverings-mandatory-public-transport-161357580.html

They say the evidence has been accumulating without much proof. That said I would not be against putting on a mask for the brief time I need to take the subway. But take in account the following scientific warnings against masks :

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

Citizens for Free Speech

POSTED BY PATRICK WOOD 919SC ON MAY 11, 2020


https://oneradionetwork.com/archive/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

[Ernie Nemeth]

Jeeze. Where's the common sense here?

The face mask is either effective or it is not. It either protects against the spread of infectious agents or it does not. There is no such thing as somewhat effective. You know why? Because never has there been a study for the effectiveness of masks, and definitely not for the partial effectiveness of them.

Now for the common sense. If it is only partially effective, what part? The part where your oxygen intake is reduced or the part of where the chance of contact with the virus is reduced?

To use an analogy, let's say you are on a spacewalk with a spacesuit on. Do you think there is any chance that a partly effective spacesuit will protect your life? Even if it only let's 1% of the air in the suit out, does that sound safe? Same with the mask, literally the same. The mask either protects or it doesn't, there is no grey area.

[TomKat]

It's more than a mask, it's a statement of obedience. Virtue signalling. What do apple-polishing students do when they grow up? They wear covid masks out in public for the world to see. It's more important to them than breathing. My definition of a zombie: someone who wears a mask while alone.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Definition of insane: wearing latex gloves and a mask while out for a jog...

[greybeard]

Only a few know about the Side Effects


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XVhF56cUQ

[greybeard]

W.H.O. FLIPS ON MASKS, FLOPS ON FUNDING


Last week, President Donald Trump terminated America’s relationship with the World Health Organization over their #Coronavirus pandemic response. This week, the #WHO has flipped on their mask recommendations declaring, “masks should only be used by healthcare workers, caretakers or by people who are sick with symptoms of fever and cough.”#Pandemic #COVID19 #WHOFlipFlop #DonaldTrump #AloneTogether #Masks #MasksDontWork #Masks4all ?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgu1u2sCBN8

[Hughe]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html


Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says



Key Points

* Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
* Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
* But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think I figured it out.

Because of the incredible advancement in facial recognition: those that wear a mask remain anonymous while those that don't go on a list for future 'retraining' when the public has fully bought into compliance signaling.

They will come for us in the night, when our neighbors are asleep. We will be taken to facilities where we will either be 'repurposed' or 'recycled'. And our neighbors will whisper amongst themselves, saying, 'we heard some noise next door, but it was not our business so we pulled our curtains and stayed out of sight'.

It is a future not a decade away in the current time-line trajectory.

[greybeard]

They, the experts are saying that 80% of those tested positive for the virus have no symptoms.

Is that because in reality they did not actually have a virus but the tests will show past flu injection as a positive?????
I feel like shouting WAKE UP WAKE UP.

I had a yahoo clip saying about the 80%
Its disappeared --inconvenient truth.
I got a Amazon delivery today -- the man was wearing a face mask, he just dropped the parcel and retreated when I opened the door.
Sad.

Chris

[Anka]

We are human beings:heart:

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[Luke Holiday]

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[AutumnW]

Those countries who have fared the best through the first stage of the pandemic, were masked up. Surgical masks help through the asymptomatic stage, for sure, in that they protect others from YOU, and vice versa. Try as you might, those of you who are anti mask and framing this as a liberty issue, fail to realize, your not masking up when in a confined space, puts others at risk. When you act in this way, you are potentially putting your freedom of personal comfort above the actual life of others.

As far as being out in wide open spaces, where you have a lot of distance between yourself and others, masks shouldn't be required. People who mask up under these conditions are really over reacting. Agreed.

[greybeard]

Dont wear a mask unless you are very vulnerable.
The immune system thrives and grows stronger through being exposed to all kinds of colds flu and virus.
The people who have died were old like me but my immune system is good.
I may have caught a mild dose in late March.

Catch it pass, it on that way the virus is over and done with quicker.
Thats the natural way to deal with whatever come up at the time of the flu season.
It has always worked that way.

Nature knows best --it has millions of years of dealing with every kind of infection under the sun.

Some die from eating peanuts they just have freedom of choice -- dont eat peanuts or you will have a reaction.

Protect the vulnerable .

This time because of lockdown and people being scared it has lasted much longer.

Masks will not prevent you giving or getting the virus.
There is no mesh small enough to prevent the incoming and out going breath and all it carries.
If it was small enough people would suffocate or black out due to diminished supply of oxygen.

Chris

[Luke Holiday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otNX9eTKNKE

[kfm27917]

Incompetence and Errors in Reasoning Around Face Covering

SIX ERRORS: 1) missing the compounding effects of masks, 2) missing the nonlinearity of the probability of infection to viral exposures, 3) missing absence of evidence (of benefits of mask wearing) for evidence of absence (of benefits of mask wearing), 4) missing the point that people do not need governments to produce facial covering: they can make their own, 5) missing the compounding effects of statistical signals, 6) ignoring the Non-Aggression Principle by pseudolibertarians (masks are also to protect others from you; it’s a multiplicative process: every person you infect will infect others).
In fact masks (and faceshields) supplemented with constraints of superspreader events can save us trillions of dollars in future lockdowns (and lawsuits) and be potentially sufficient (under adequate compliance) to stem the pandemic. Bureaucrats do not like simple solutions.

I want to travel this summer
First error: missing the compounding effect
People who are good at exams (and become bureaucrats, economists, or hacks), my experience has been, are not good at understanding nonlinearities and dynamics.
The WHO, CDC and other bureaucracies initially failed to quickly realize that the benefits of masks compound, simply because two people are wearing them and you have to look at the interaction.
Let us say (to simplify) that masks reduce both transmission and reception to p. What effect on the R0(that is, the rate of spreading of the infection)?
Simply the naive approach (used by the CDC/WHO bureaucrats and other imbeciles) is to say if masks reduce the transmission probability to ¼, one would think it would then drop from, say R0= 5, to R0=1 ¼. Yuuge, but there is better.
For one should count both sides. Under our simplification, with p=1/4 we get R0'= p² R0 . The drop in R becomes 93.75%! You divide R by 16! Even with masks working at 50% we get a 75% drop in R0.

Second error: Missing the Nonlinearity of the Risk of Infection
The error is to think that if I reduce the exposure to the virus by, say, ½, I would then reduce the risk, expressed as probability of infection, by ½ as well. Not quite.
Now consider (Fig 1) that probability must follow a nonlinear dose-response, an “S curve”. In the convex part of the curve, gains are disproportionately large: a reduction of x% of viral exposure leads to a drop of much more than x in risk of infection. And, patently we are in the convex part of the curve. For example, to use the case above, a reduction of viral load by 75% for a short exposure could reduce the probability of infection by 95% or more!
Third Error: Mistaking Absence of Evidence for Evidence of Absence
“There is no evidence that masks work”, I kept hearing repeated to me by the usual idiots calling themselves “evidence based” scientists. The point is that there is no evidence that locking the door tonight will prevent me from being burglarized. But everything that may block transmission could help. Unlike school, real life is not about certainties. When in doubt, use what protection you can. Some invoked the flawed rationalization that masks induce false confidence: in fact there is a strong argument that masks makes one more alert to the risks and more conservative in behavior.
Fourth Error: Misunderstanding the Market and People
Paternalistic bureaucrats resisted inviting the general public to use masks on grounds that the supply was limited and would be needed by health professionals — hence they lied to us saying “masks are not effective”. They did not get the inventiveness and industriousness of people who do not need a government to produce masks for them: they can rapidly convert about anything into well-functioning protective face covering appendages, say rags into which one can stitch coffee filters… about anything. Nor did bureaucrats heed the notion of markets and the existence of opportunists who can supply people with what they want.
Fifth Error: Missing Extremely Strong Statistical Signals
Many people who deal with statistics think in terms of either mechanistic concepts (say correlation) they don’t quite understand, or local results; they fear to be presenting “anecdotes”, and fail to grasp the broader notion of statistical signals where you look at the whole story, not the body parts. For here, again, evidence compounds. We have a) the salon story where two infected stylists failed to infect all their 140 clients (making the probability of infection for bilateral mask wearing safely below 1% for a salon-style exposure) — we know the probability of infection for non mask wearers from tens of thousands of data points and the various R0 estimations) plus b) the rate of infection of countries where masks were mandatory, plus c) tons of papers with more or less flawed methodologies, etc.
Sixth Error: The Non-Aggression Principle
“Libertarians” (in brackets) are resisting mask wearing on grounds that it constrains their freedom. Yet the entire concept of liberty lies in the Non-Aggression Principle, the equivalent of the Silver Rule: do not harm others; they in turn should not harm you. Even more insulting is the demand by pseudolibertarians that Costco should banned from forcing customers to wear mask — but libertarianism allows you to set the rules on your own property. Costco should be able to force visitors to wear pink shirts and purple glasses if they wished.
Note that by infecting another person you are not infecting just another person. You are infecting many many more and causing systemic risk.
Wear a mask. For the Sake of Others.

(source https://medium.com/incerto/the-masks-masquerade-7de897b517b7)

[janette]

I got the train home from work today as I always do but from today you've got to wear a mask to travel so ok I played along and put on my ever so lovely pink mask that my boss handed me at work. As I passed the gent at the door who was making sure whoever entered the station was correctly attired off it came and in my pocket it stayed. Everyone but myself and a handful of people were wearing masks but I refuse to be bullied into wearing one not because I'm being awkward but because the common sense science behind what a a lot of these doctors and nurses are saying rings true in my heart.

[dawnawakeningfreespirit]

Today I was due to have a blood test, I want to embark on a 40 day fast it is advised to get bloods done before & after this cycle. So I rang my doctors a week ago & 30 mins before my appointment I received a text stating I have to wear a mask. Needless to say I am glad I rang as I refuse to adorn this attire. Appointment cancelled. My day changed I went to a beach cliff meditated walked my hound & found online here at Avalon a beautiful soul who gave me a very accurate reading. My day was beautiful, present and nourishing. The more who stand up, refuse these government guidelines may lead to a world where we do not have to be covered.

I just thought I would share as it may help others to stand strong in the belief of our own immune systems, the belief that wearing non natural materials around the nose & mouth could cause more harm than good. I already have health issues, breathing restricted is not one of them, please do stand in your truth. If it feels wrong, do not feel compelled to go against you intuition.

[onawah]

Face Masks Harm Children and Some Have Even Died – But California Governor Dictates Everyone to Wear Them
June 19, 2020
https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/face-masks-harm-children-and-some-have-even-died-but-california-governor-dictates-everyone-to-wear-them/
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by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

"California Governor Gavin Newsom and the California Department of Public Health announced today that everyone in the State of California should wear a face mask when they leave their home.

The announcement was published by the Office of Public Affairs and states:

The California Department of Public Health today released updated PDF guidance that requires Californians to wear a face covering in high-risk settings. A growing body of scientific research has shown that people with no or few symptoms of COVID-19 can still spread the disease and that the use of face coverings, combined with physical distancing and frequent hand washing, will reduce the spread of COVID-19.

“Science shows that face coverings and masks work,” said Governor Gavin Newsom. “They are critical to keeping those who are around you safe, keeping businesses open and restarting our economy.”

So where is this “growing body of scientific research”?

I read the public statement and clicked on the link to the GUIDANCE FOR THE USE OF FACE COVERINGS to see which studies supported such a sweeping, dangerous action for public health.

There are none.

In fact, if we take the World Health Organization at their word on this subject, then Governor Newsom is lying to the residents of his state, because the WHO has stated:

The widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider…the use of a mask alone is insufficient to provide an adequate level of protection. (Source.)

See also:

New WHO Guidelines for Face Masks Admit No Known Medical Benefits – Psychological Brain Washing
Apparently people in California are just supposed to trust the Governor and Health Department’s word on this, as it is simply an appeal to authority, authority that some argue they don’t possess.

Civil Rights Attorney Leigh Dundas is someone who is not taking their advice on this subject, and has taken action to stop the practice, as the real science shows that wearing a face mask all day long is detrimental to one’s health, and some have even died as a result, including two school children in China.

The corporate media complies with the disinformation on face masks, but occasionally stories leak out showing the detrimental effects that can result from prolonged usage, like this one where a man passed out while driving his car and crashed while wearing a face mask too long.

Attorney Dundas challenged California Orange County Chief Health Officer Dr. Nichole and her order to require county residents to wear face masks, and the backlash that resulted was so great that Dr. Nichole recently quit.

Leigh Dundas angrily wagged her finger at Orange County supervisors at their board meeting last month as she ticked off what she thought were damning details about the professional background of county health officer Nichole Quick. The anti-vaccination attorney named Quick’s boyfriend and disclosed her home address, saying she was going to bring protesters in masks to do calisthenics on her front doorstep until they passed out.

“She needs to be fired,” Dundas declared.

It was a strikingly personal attack on Quick, who had vexed many local officials and residents alike with her recent order requiring that people wear masks when in public to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus. The county sheriff provided her with a security detail even as he said he would not enforce the mask order. Finally, under pressure from both county supervisors and the public, Quick resigned last week, the third high-level Orange County health official to do so during the pandemic. And Orange County reversed her mask order. (Source.)

This is important news, because as we explained earlier this week in our article about Virginia’s new law, H.B.1090, unelected people from the medical industry populate these local health boards, and it is assumed that they have the power to order the citizens of their community to do whatever they please, including mandatory vaccinations. See:

Virginia Has Provided the Nation with the Template for Mandatory Vaccines: Democracy Sacrificed for Medical Tyranny
Attorney Dundas has shown that these unelected medical tyrants can be opposed, and citizens really are under no obligation to comply with their dictates.

Attorney Dundas works with Advocates for Citizens’ Rights and they produced a short video to educate the public on the dangers of wearing a face mask all the time.



Here are the resources she uses to show the dangers of wearing face masks and the harm they cause:

Excerpts from Studies Involving Mask-Wearing
Study on CDC website which reviewed ten different randomized clinical trials, world-wide, reviewing highly infectious respiratory virus transmission which found “no significant reduction” in “transmission with the use of face masks.” https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article. Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, Jingyi Xiao1, Eunice Y. C. Shiu1, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, and Benjamin J. Cowling (Volume 26, Number 5, May of 2020).
World Health Organization states there “is no evidence wearing a mask by a healthy person in a community setting can prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19” and further concludes “universal community masking” is ineffective at preventing “infection from respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.” The WHO recommended against wearing medical masks as they “may create a false sense of security” against COVID-19, while it further went out of its way to reiterate that there is “no evidence available on a [mask’s] usefulness to protect non-sick persons.” https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331693/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.3-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Advice on the Use of Masks in the Context of COVID-19 – Guidance, World Health Organization (April 6, 2020)
British Medical Journal notes that cloth face masks may INCREASE spread of virus: “This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.” https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
C Raina MacIntyre1, Holly Seale1, Tham Chi Dung2, Nguyen Tran Hien2, Phan Thi Nga2, Abrar Ahmad Chughtai1, Bayzidur Rahman1, Dominic E Dwyer3, Quanyi Wang4
Explanation of Why Face Masks Do Not Work (reviewing other studies) https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
Canadian Physicist Reviewing Why Face Masks Do Not Work. http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf
Wearing respirators come[s] with a host of physiological and psychological burdens. These can interfere with task performances and reduce work efficiency. These burdens can even be severe enough to cause life-threatening conditions if not ameliorated. Arthur Johnson, Journal of Biological Engineering (2016).
When the N95 respirator was tested in use in 2010, the “dead-space oxygen and carbon dioxide levels did not meet the Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s ambient workplace standards.”
In a study conducted by the National Taiwan University Hospital fifteen years ago, it was found that the use of N-95 masks in healthcare workers caused them to experience hypoxemia, a low level of oxygen in the blood, and hypercapnia, an elevation in the blood’s carbon dioxide levels. Not only did the mask create dangerously low levels of oxygen and an equally dangerous spike in carbon dioxide in the human body, the study found that “medical staff are at increased risk of getting ‘Severe acute respiratory syndrome’ (SARS) [from] wearing N95 masks….” Lastly, the study’s authors further found that “dizziness, headache, and short[ness] of breath are commonly experienced by the medical staff wearing N95 masks” and that the “ability to make correct decisions” was also likely impaired. The Physiological Impact of N95 Masks on Medical Staff, National Taiwan University Hospital (June 2005).
Studies show that headaches in medical professionals are commonly found as a result of mask-wearing, which is a sign of hypoxia: Just under 10% of the healthcare workers in one study experienced such severe symptoms that they were forced to take, on average, two full days of sick leave from their healthcare jobs, while 60% of these healthcare professionals “required use of abortive analgesics because of headache.” Headaches and the N95 Face-Mask Amongst Healthcare Providers. Lim EC1, Seet RC, Lee KH, Wilder-Smith EP, Chuah BY, Ong BK, Acta Neurologica Scandinavica, 28 Feb 2006, 113(3):199-202.
A more recent study involving 159 healthcare workers aged 21 to 35 years of age found that 81% developed headaches from wearing a face mask – which is a sign of dangerously low levels of oxygenation – and ALL healthcare workers felt like the headaches affected their work performance. Ong JJY et al. Headaches associated with personal protective equipment- A cross-sectional study among frontline healthcare workers during COVID-19. Headache 2020;60(5):864-877.
Pregnant women wearing N-95 masks were found to have breathing difficulties associated with the use of the mask. Are Face Masks Effective Against Covid-19? The Science Times (May 25, 2020).
“It is known that the N95 mask, if worn for hours, can reduce blood oxygenation as much as 20%” which in turn “can lead to a loss of consciousness, as happened to the hapless fellow driving around alone in his car wearing an N95 mask, causing him to pass out, and to crash his car and sustain injuries. I am sure that we have several cases of elderly individuals or any person with poor lung function passing out, hitting their head. This, of course, can lead to death.” Are Face Masks Effective Against Covid-19? The Science Times (May 25, 2020).
In this study, researchers examined the blood oxygen levels in 53 surgeons. They measured blood oxygenation before surgery as well as at the end of surgeries. The researchers found that the mask reduced the blood oxygen levels significantly. The longer the duration of wearing the mask, the greater the fall in blood oxygen levels. Bader A et al. Preliminary report on surgical mask induced deoxygenation during major surgery. Neurocirugia 2008;19:12-126.
In a study of dentists and dental assistants who adopted new protocols since COVID, headaches jumped from 16% pre-COVID to 65%, with half of respondents (49%) noting it was hard to breathe “all the time” and 40% noting it was hard to breathe some of the time. https://www.dentistryiq.com/covid-19/article/14177630/headaches-exhaustion-anxiety-the-physical-and-emotional-challenges-of-returning-to-work-during-the-pandemic?utm_source=RDH%20eVillage%20%26%20Product&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CPS200611069&o_eid=3982E9300967G0X&rdx.ident[pull]=omeda%7C3982E9300967G0X&oly_enc_id=3982E9300967G0X&fbclid=IwAR1Dr974eARlmMqMikUxsl8XBZjvzOznYcgEFxJLWUoR-n1zjxfUxih_QKY#cid-14177681
The immunity of the mask wearer – and his or her subsequent ability to fight off COVID-19 or any other harmful infection – is actually harmed by wearing a mask. The drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) noted in many studies is directly associated with an impairment in immunity. In terms of the biological effects, what the studies have shown is that the lowered rate of oxygen (hypoxia) in turn inhibits the production of the type of primary immune cells that our bodies use to fight viral infections (known as the CD4+ T-lymphocyte). Functionally speaking, what happens inside our bodies is that the decrease in oxygen causes a spike in the level of a compound called hypoxia-inducible-factor-1 (HIF-1). Once that compound spikes, it in turn inhibits the production of T-lymphocytes we need for our bodies to fight off invaders and infections. Yet worse, the lack of oxygen stimulates a powerful inhibitor of the immune system (a cell called the Tregs), which in turn makes one’s body ripe for contracting a COVID-19 infection and experiencing said illness more severely: “This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19, and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.” Russell Blaylock, Id. (quoting Shehade H et al. Cutting edge: Hypoxia-Inducible Factor-1 negatively regulates Th1 function. J Immunol 2015;195:1372-1376. See also: Westendorf AM et al. Hypoxia enhances immunosuppression by inhibiting CD4+ effector T cell function and promoting Treg activity. Cell Physiol Biochem 2017;41:1271-84. See further: Sceneay J et al. Hypoxia-driven immunosuppression contributes to the pre-metastatic niche. Oncoimmunology 2013;2:1 e22355.
People with cancer may be at a further risk from hypoxia – as cancer cells grow best in a bodily environment that is low in oxygen. Low oxygen also promotes systemic inflammation which, in turn, promotes “the growth, invasion and spread of cancers.” Aggarwal BB. Nucler factor-kappaB: The enemy within. Cancer Cell 2004;6:203-208, and Blaylock RL. Immunoexcitatory mechanisms in glioma proliferation, invasion and occasional metastasis. Surg Neurol Inter 2013;4:15.
Repeated episodes of low oxygen – known as intermittent hypoxia – also “causes atherosclerosis” and hence increases “all cardiovascular events” such as heart attacks – as well as adverse cerebral events like stroke. Blaylock, quoting Savransky V et al. Chronic intermittent hypoxia induces atherosclerosis. Am J Resp Crit Care Med 2007;175:1290-1297.
It appears the virus may be able to enter the brain. According to those who practice neurosurgery, in most instances where the virus enters the brain, it does so by way of the olfactory nerves (smell nerves) – and accordingly – by wearing a mask “the exhaled viruses will not be able to escape, and will concentrate in the nasal passages, enter the olfactory nerves and travel into the brain.’’ Blaylock, reviewing Baig AM et al. Evidence of the COVID-19 virus targeting the CNS: Tissue distribution, host-virus interaction, and proposed neurotropic mechanisms. ACS Chem Neurosci 2020;11:7:995-998. Wu Y et al. Nervous system involvement after infection with COVID-19 and other coronaviruses. Brain Behavior, and Immunity. Perlman S et al. Spread of a neurotropic murine coronavirus into the CNS via the trigeminal and olfactory nerves. Virology 1989;170:556-560.
See Also:

Are There Enough Free-Thinking Americans Left to Resist the New World Order Take Over?
Resisting the New World Order: Face Mask Shaming – Hypocrisy in the Corporate Media and a Doctor Speaks Out AGAINST Face Masks
Comment on this article at HealthImpactNews.com.

[Luke Holiday]

https://davidicke.com/2020/06/19/the-first-mask-refusenik-how-appropriate-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/

…. And this is what we all need to start doing daily in mass in order to stop this nonsense, prevent where they want to take society and begin to create the world we all deserve...

Luke

[RunningDeer]

https://davidicke.com/2020/06/19/the-first-mask-refusenik-how-appropriate-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/

…. And this is what we all need to start doing daily in mass in order to stop this nonsense, prevent where they want to take society and begin to create the world we all deserve...

Luke


The First Mask Refusenik - How Appropriate - David Icke Dot Connector Videocast
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June 19, 2020

Also found @ David Icke BitChute (https://www.bitchute.com/video/hN5mSGvRjQvh/)

[onawah]

Do Masks Even Work? Can You Be Forced To Wear One? Dr. Kaufman Weighs In
2,910 views•Jun 21, 2020
Spiro Skouras
83.9K subscribers

"We are beginning to see more and more mask mandates being rolled out, which raises many questions. Does wearing a mask offer protection from the virus? Is wearing a mask for extended periods of time pose any risk to your health? Can the government or employers really make you wear a mask?

In this interview, Spiro is joined by Dr. Andrew Kaufman to discuss these issue in addition to another concerning aspect regarding mandated masks.

Are we being conditioned to accept other mandates? If they can make you wear a mask, what will they make you do next? Mandatory testing? Mandatory vaccination? Do not miss this important interview!"

Dr. Andrew Kaufman’s Website
https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com

Department of Labor & OSHA
https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standa...

Department of Labor & OSHA
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/co...

Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...

A Cluster Randomised Trial of Cloth Masks Compared With Medical Masks in Healthcare Workers
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903...

The Physiological Impact of Wearing an N95 Mask During Hemodialysis as a Precaution Against SARS in Patients With End-Stage Renal Disease
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340...

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/m...

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[pyrangello]

Didn't wear one much to begin with, and after reading more and more, stopped all together. Think about this ,do you wash your hands with antibacterial soap?. This is another form of blocking your immune system everyday from working properly. Just like a mask. Wash your hands using regular soap or dish soap, let your body work and calibrate its defenses. If you see someone that doesn't look healthy or is coughing up a storm, make a detour of that person, that's just common sense.

[greybeard]

ANTI-MASKERS: RIGHT OR SELFISH?

As Americans turn against each other over mask mandates, many scientists are speaking out, including former professor of physics at the University of Ottawa, Denis Rancourt, PhD, who just released a paper compiling seven studies on the science surrounding the effectiveness of masks. #AntiMaskers #MasksWork #Coronavirus #Covid19 #Health #Lockdown


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ODBTdNiG0

[indigopete]

Amazingly, some people without Physics PHDs managed to reach a similar conclusion...

i6KdsMJTLCU

...I should not prejudge. He may well have one :o

[Angels1981]

I have a mask but I cant breathe in it. I dont like it. The guard shout ed at me to not get on the train but I did anyway. I feel surpressed and an idiot wearing one. Its pink cherries aka pop one in the mouth. Lol
Anyways, uk seems more leniant at the moment.

[O Donna]

Only a few know about the Side Effects


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XVhF56cUQ

@ 416

"Beware. Something is not right."

I've been saying this over and over again.

Inslee in Washington state announces statewide mask mandate.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-announces-statewide-mask-mandate

I have read in detail the reasoning behind mask mandates etc. (30+ years in hospital based education and work experience)

Echoing what was said in the video... with the stand out message...

BEWARE. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

[onawah]

Take action for mandatory masks
From Stand for Health Freedom's email update
7/3/20
https://standforhealthfreedom.com/action/act-now-mandatory-masks-endanger-your-health/

"If your mask is hurting you, do you still feel compelled to wear it? In many areas, people no longer have a true choice, as mask-wearing has become mandatory. A measure intended to keep communities safe is causing extreme division, infringing on individual’s constitutional rights and putting them at risk. Your state and local officials need to hear from you.

Though CDC’s policy guidance encourages the use of face masks, there is substantial evidence showing that masks are harmful and a lack of evidence showing they are effective in preventing the spread of coronavirus. Studies show that wearing a face covering reduces blood and tissue oxygenation — which can be deadly — while increasing carbon dioxide levels. Mask-wearing can also increase the risk of infection and the spread of viral illness, hinder detoxification that occurs via exhalation, impair the immune system and cause many other ailments, both physical and emotional. Moreover, some masks have been found to contain known carcinogens, which put people at risk from inhaling toxic chemicals and having them come into contact with their skin.

Lawsuits are now being filed throughout the country to challenge mandatory masks. Despite evidence of harm and questionable evidence of benefit, fall 2020 school guidelines across the country are calling for mandatory masks. Public school systems (e.g., San Diego, California) are concerned that mask requirements in the classroom will spark even more legal battles.

It’s unethical and unconstitutional to force healthy citizens to abide by measures that can result in physical and emotional harm and that impinge on their ability to move freely throughout society without discrimination. For those with deeply held religious beliefs, mask mandates violate their ability to abide by natural law and follow their convictions to walk in faith, not fear. As such, the decision to wear a mask is a highly personal one and should not be universally mandated; measures that are meant to protect the community as a whole are ineffective if they hurt individuals in that community. Please send your your state and local officials a pre-drafted email and tweet now and urge them to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

CLICK TO ACT https://standforhealthfreedom.com/action/act-now-mandatory-masks-endanger-your-health/
In solidarity,

The Stand for Health Freedom Team "

[indigopete]

Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwaggon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s&t=4s

[justntime2learn]

Take action for mandatory masks
From Stand for Health Freedom's email update
7/3/20
https://standforhealthfreedom.com/action/act-now-mandatory-masks-endanger-your-health/

"If your mask is hurting you, do you still feel compelled to wear it? In many areas, people no longer have a true choice, as mask-wearing has become mandatory. A measure intended to keep communities safe is causing extreme division, infringing on individual’s constitutional rights and putting them at risk. Your state and local officials need to hear from you.

Though CDC’s policy guidance encourages the use of face masks, there is substantial evidence showing that masks are harmful and a lack of evidence showing they are effective in preventing the spread of coronavirus. Studies show that wearing a face covering reduces blood and tissue oxygenation — which can be deadly — while increasing carbon dioxide levels. Mask-wearing can also increase the risk of infection and the spread of viral illness, hinder detoxification that occurs via exhalation, impair the immune system and cause many other ailments, both physical and emotional. Moreover, some masks have been found to contain known carcinogens, which put people at risk from inhaling toxic chemicals and having them come into contact with their skin.

Lawsuits are now being filed throughout the country to challenge mandatory masks. Despite evidence of harm and questionable evidence of benefit, fall 2020 school guidelines across the country are calling for mandatory masks. Public school systems (e.g., San Diego, California) are concerned that mask requirements in the classroom will spark even more legal battles.

It’s unethical and unconstitutional to force healthy citizens to abide by measures that can result in physical and emotional harm and that impinge on their ability to move freely throughout society without discrimination. For those with deeply held religious beliefs, mask mandates violate their ability to abide by natural law and follow their convictions to walk in faith, not fear. As such, the decision to wear a mask is a highly personal one and should not be universally mandated; measures that are meant to protect the community as a whole are ineffective if they hurt individuals in that community. Please send your your state and local officials a pre-drafted email and tweet now and urge them to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

CLICK TO ACT https://standforhealthfreedom.com/action/act-now-mandatory-masks-endanger-your-health/
In solidarity,

The Stand for Health Freedom Team "

Blessings Natalie,

Here's the response I received from senator wyden.


Charles,

I disagree. You can voluntarily stay away from others without a mask and choose not to potentially infect them. However, the health experts have opined that wearing a mask is the best way to protect people in public places. It's common sense. Think about and respect those around you, especially those who are elderly or have comprised systems. It doesn't take much to wear a simple mask and it may save someones life.

Lee Beyer
State Senator, Dist. 6
Central Lane & Linn Counties
From: Charles Wyatt <myvoice@oneclickpolitics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov>
Subject: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

Re: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

Dear Senator Beyer,

I am writing to urge you to do your part to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

[justntime2learn]

I have communicated with my state representative, Sherrie Sprenger, for about 10 years so we do have a history. I just emailed her.


Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 7:40 PM
Subject: Fwd: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory
To: Rep Sprenger <rep.sherriesprenger@state.or.us>


Hi Sherrie,

What are your thoughts on this?

I've always valued your opinion.

Sincerely, Charles Wyatt

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov>
Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

[Bluegreen]

Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwagon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s&t=4s

Ever notice how often you see the word "Fear" on your television screen or headlines?

Ever notice the word "Panic" is embedded within the word "Pandemic"?

Oops! Almost missed that word "Hysteria"! It just slipped into my subconscious mind, undetected!

:peep:

[justntime2learn]

Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwagon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s&t=4s

Ever notice how often you see the word "Fear" on your television screen or headlines?

Ever notice the word "Panic" is embedded within the word "Pandemic"?

Oops! Almost missed that word "Hysteria"! It just slipped into my subconscious mind, undetected!

:peep:

Yeah, I've noticed

[AutumnW]

Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

[onawah]

Actually all the real science says the opposite.
Only in a surgical setting or if someone is caring for someone who is very ill should surgical masks be worn.
That's well documented in many article and videos posted in this thread.
If governments make masks mandatory, it's just one more civil right citizens will have lost, at least in the US where such a law would be unconstitutional.

Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

[AutumnW]

Nope...scientists who have studied the subject thoroughly say surgical masks are of great benefit to the public at large, at this current time. This is now indisputable fact, regardless of the flawed analysis of wannabe experts or so called experts.

It's a medical issue and if you feel it encroaches on your civil liberties that is not only your problem but a problem for everyone who has to inhale your unfiltered exhalations.

[greybeard]

In Scotland we will be forced to wear face masks in all shops.
I have asked the Dr for a letter of exemption on medical grounds --they are getting back to me.
Chris

[Angels1981]

Omg i wonder If England wil follow suit. Im getting fed up of it. I got on a train with one in my hand as I cant breathe and the guard was shouting get off the train. I put it on when i sat down but ill avoid Any government order unless my decision is to think its reasonable.

[AutumnW]

Find another way to travel if you can't wear a mask, Angel. They can feel pretty suffocating, true, and that can be uncomfortable...but mandatory masks aren't so much a human rights issue, as a health and safety one. Are you asthmatic?

[greybeard]

Find another way to travel if you can't wear a mask, Angel. They can feel pretty suffocating, true, and that can be uncomfortable...but mandatory masks aren't so much a human rights issue, as a health and safety one. Are you asthmatic?

Health and safety is a human rights issue.
If I am forced to wear one against my free will then that affects my mental health.
Depression etc.
My free will counts for nothing.
Chris

[indigopete]

Nope...scientists who have studied the subject thoroughly say surgical masks are of great benefit to the public at large, at this current time. This is now indisputable fact.

I very much doubt this is true and the assertion that it isn't disputed is certainly false.

You're probably alluding to the kind of studies which show how projected "droplets" are diminished under UV light etc. These are a great little piece of propaganda which add to the general "circus" of frenzied hand waving, but put into context that's all they are.

We're talking about perfectly healthy, well people for a start who've generally had the right to breath fresh air for around 250,000 years. For the most part they also posses more than one brain cell between their ears and understand how to mitigate risk for themselves if they happen to be vulnerable or symptomatically infected. If you want to have recourse to legislation that forces everyone into unhealthy habits in order to address the odd extremely rare event then I'd say that's an ideological perspective, not a medical one. It's the type of perspective that leads very quickly to complete tyranny if widely adopted.

That's the real reason for these types of policies - social conditioning. In other words it doesn't actually matter whether "science" says masks reduce spread or not, what matters is that people accept that they have no say in the matter even if they didn't ask to be "protected" in that particular way.

This type of logic pervades all of Covid-19 so called "science" which is about as scientific as the "new normal" is normal, It generally works along these lines:

1. I tested positive for blue eyes today using a new type of test called "mirror"
2. I've heard there are some sick people around who also tested positive for blue eyes
3. I need to self-isolate for 14 days and wear a mask on trains
4. If we can get more of these "mirror" type tests out to everybody we might find we have a pandemic on our hands

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wearing a mask is exactly what they want so that the second wave will devastate our society. Lack of oxygen to the system caused by wearing a mask, proven 'indisputably' to reduce oxygen intake by over 10%, acidifies the blood and lowers overall immunity...

[greybeard]

This is an update where masks are mentioned
If you are in UK please donate to this
Chris
More on the link I just pasted a small section.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Fighting Against the Masks!

We can confirm that we are also challenging the legality of being forced to wear masks/ face coverings on public transport and now even in shops in Scotland. It is extremely harmful to health and has no scientific evidence of effectiveness. This is just another form of mind control and to create constant fear and worry in the public. Further, it is against our Human Rights and we should not accept this or any other of the ludicrous measures this Government of Occupation brings in.

This represents a complete 'U turn' on policy by the Government who has announced on many occassions that mask wearing would not be required. It is also against advice given by SAGE and documented in the SAGE minutes and reports.

Even the WHO does not advise mandatory mask wearing by healthy members of the public:

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

They have a very long list of problems and risks caused by mask wearing. However, the Government even ignores them in their determination to dictate and to control us.

As well as acting illegally in bringing in a law that is very harmful to health, the Transport Minister has even acted illegally in his method of making this law. This is because he brought it in as a Statutory Instrument under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, which has been used by this Government as an Enabling Act and a way to bypass Human Rights Legislation, Parliamentary scrutiny, and a requirement for 'emergency' legislation to be both proportionate and temporary. Twelve months with a review before 6 months can hardly be described as temporary!

Further, he announced it on 4th June and then waited until 14th June to actually legislate to avoid having to lay it before Parliament. He then falsely used section 45R of the 1984 Act to claim that he had to pass it urgently.

[justntime2learn]

My response to senator beyer's response.


Dear Senator Beyer,

Thank you so much for your opinion, I know you are a busy man, and I appreciate your time. Could you offer some links to support your position?

Surely you know the CDC does not require face masks. Do you have credentials that outweigh the CDC? Do you believe that the United States Governors have the authority to mandate such an action?

Sincerely, Charles Wyatt

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:37 PM Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov> wrote:
Charles,

I disagree. You can voluntarily stay away from others without a mask and choose not to potentially infect them. However, the health experts have opined that wearing a mask is the best way to protect people in public places. It's common sense. Think about and respect those around you, especially those who are elderly or have comprised systems. It doesn't take much to wear a simple mask and it may save someones life.

Lee Beyer
State Senator, Dist. 6
Central Lane & Linn Counties

[onawah]

How many experts who say the opposite do we need to list for you, Autumn? Kind of futile to take such a stance on a conspiracy theory forum, I would say, unless you're just looking for an argument...
Here's a start:
From RFKennedy Jr.'s Children's Health Defense (several experts cited in this article: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-risks-vs-benefits-of-face-masks-is-there-an-agenda/
Dr. Zach Bush Triple board certified physician D0t84p6H4XA
Dr. Bush and Dr. Blalock, neurosurgeon: https://www.verdenews.com/news/2020/jun/30/commentary-do-right-thing-put-mask-science-or-poli/
Dr Andrew Kaufman M.I.T, Duke and the Medical University of South Carolina, expert forensic psychiatrist 88qQsWM--3Q
Denis Rancourt PhD former professor of physics at the University of Ottawa, Denis Rancourt, PhD, who just released a paper compiling seven studies on the science surrounding the effectiveness of masks. C1ODBTdNiG0

CELEBRATED SCIENTIST: ‘80% NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO COVID 3jKGD7XnbRc

Dr. Buttar is board certified and a Diplomate in Clinical Metal Toxicology and Preventive Medicine, is board eligible in Emergency Medicine and has achieved fellowship status in three separate medical organizations (Fellow of the American College for Advancement in Medicine, Fellow of the American Academy of Preventive Medicine, and Fellow of the American Association of Integrative Medicine). uN1jQinyhsA


Nope...scientists who have studied the subject thoroughly say surgical masks are of great benefit to the public at large, at this current time. This is now indisputable fact, regardless of the flawed analysis of wannabe experts or so called experts.

It's a medical issue and if you feel it encroaches on your civil liberties that is not only your problem but a problem for everyone who has to inhale your unfiltered exhalations.

(OF course, it's going to be more and more difficult to find the testimonies of experts who say that face masks are not a good idea because they are being censored on youtube, FB, etc. And the studies which are backed by the corporations who are profiting from the plandemic pay their experts well to toe the party line, as opposed to the unbiased studies, which are arriving at the opposite conclusion. )

[DaveToo]

Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

Sorry Autumn, I have just done extensive research on this subject for a project.
I'm going to call you on it.

Please state your sources for your position? Or is this just something you believe, or feel in your gut?

[DaveToo]

In Scotland we will be forced to wear face masks in all shops.
I have asked the Dr for a letter of exemption on medical grounds --they are getting back to me.
Chris

Fortunately in Canada, we can be exempted WITHOUT a medical letter.
And that's exactly what I do.
I have not worn a face mask up until now, and will not wear one in the future.

[greybeard]

Taken from official literature

"You may also have a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering if, for example:
• you have a health condition where a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety or because you cannot apply a covering and wear it in the proper manner safely and consistently."

I might get brave and go and see the local supermarket manager to be sure that staff are aware there are exceptions -- I dont like confrontation and dont want to be hassled by staff or customers.

Chris

[greybeard]

TRUTH THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND Dr Rashid Buttar YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPI7lzx1l4

[Sabrina]

Wise words from Magenta Pixie on wearing masks:

"Yet in truth it is a sign of acquiescence to the borg control machine. A sign of compliance to a totalitarian regime. A sign one is willing to stop speaking their truth. A sign that we are happy to restrict our oxygen intake and celestial pranic flow of lifeforce. A sign we give permission for our own slavery and a new world order takeover.
So no, for those who know the truth it is not a sign of 'mutual respect' at all.
WeDoNotConsent"

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1280599380341460999?s=20

1280599380341460999

[RunningDeer]

TRUTH THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND Dr Rashid Buttar YouTube



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPI7lzx1l4
Thanks, Chris. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/thumbs-two.gif

Some points for myself from the video (and elsewhere):

Understanding The HIPPA Law. HIPAA is an acronym for The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act and was first enforced in 1996. This Act was created to provide protection for personal health information.

The Privacy Rule is a federal law which allows you certain rights over your personal health information.

If you have a medical exemption and if they ask you what that medical exemption, they have just violated your HIPPA rights and your American Disabilities Acts rights. Because nobody can ask you what your medical condition is. They cannot by statute, by law ask you. That is against the law. (US law)

If you wear a face mask you are:

restricting your oxygen
increasing the amount of carbon dioxide you're breathing back
an increased amount of bacteria that accumulates from what you’re breathing
the condensation from your breath is breaking down the polypropylene components of the face mask, breathing in those toxic components and creating a histo toxic, hypoxic injury
not able to get in fresh oxygen
increasing your cortisol levels and that drives you into the flight fight response which is a sympathetic overdrive and then that suppresses your immune system

You're increasing your own susceptibility when you wear a mask to every pathogen that's out there: virus, bacteria, spirochetes, microplasma, yeast, fungi, parasites. You are increasing your own susceptibility when you wear a mass. You're stressing your body out. You're making your body weaker. You're making yourself hypoxic. You are more susceptible, more vulnerable to any pathogen.

If you believe the face mask protects and saves you, then what do you care whether I wear a face mask?


Wise words from Magenta Pixie on wearing masks:

"Yet in truth it is a sign of acquiescence to the borg control machine. A sign of compliance to a totalitarian regime. A sign one is willing to stop speaking their truth. A sign that we are happy to restrict our oxygen intake and celestial pranic flow of lifeforce. A sign we give permission for our own slavery and a new world order takeover.
So no, for those who know the truth it is not a sign of 'mutual respect' at all.
WeDoNotConsent"

Thanks, Sabrina. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/hug-two.gif

[Michelle]

My sister is a nurses aide and has chronic sinus infections from wearing her face mask. The other day she went to the ER and the ER doctor said he suffers from the same thing due to the masks. He’s seeing more staff have issues as well. They have hypoallergenic masks, but not to many so you need to prove the regular masks are an issue medically to be able to wear one.

My friends who are nurses tell me that they know quite a few nurses that are suffering from headaches, fatigue and sinus issues. In my sisters hospital they are short staffed as it seems more people are out sick.

I took my daughter to the hospital for an appointment last month. She almost fainted and was taken to the ER. Face masks are contraindicated for children. Make sure the covering is very light and breathable for the little ones.

♥️

[pueblo]

Now I know where the whole mask thing is coming from...

43877

[DeDukshyn]

 
For all we know, the mask push is because certain interests have invested heavily into masks supply companies and they need their return. This is how a lot of these things work.

Canada's curve is flattened ... and yet, they just now push mandatory masks in Ontario, and it is being considered nationally. And the curve is flat. So what they will probably do is mandate masks, and say "look! Our awesome political minds mandated masks and it flattened the curve! Make sure to vote!"

Politicians shouldn't be lending out medical advice, let a lone mandates ... "Make sure to vote! We flattened the curve!"


Meanwhile ... actual educated, trained, experienced professionals are saying ..

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[Bill Ryan]

Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

Sorry Autumn, I have just done extensive research on this subject for a project.
I'm going to call you on it.

Please state your sources for your position? Or is this just something you believe, or feel in your gut?I'm just dropping in here on this thread for a few minutes, which I long ago abandoned. :)

The issues are not linear and binary. AutumnW is correct, as best I know, and there's statistical evidence to support it.

I don't have the motivation, time or energy to dig it all out of Chris Martenson's videos from a few weeks ago, as I'm reasonably persuaded that no-one posting here (presenting any position or argument) will ever change their minds. :P

So it's really a moot point. All that's happening is that many (but not all) people are just endlessly banging a loud drum for weeks on end to persuade people that they're right.

But here's the complexity, and the consequent difficulty. There are


Medical issues (which are not totally clear cut, as for some people some kinds of masks, worn for too long, can be detrimental).
Human rights and libertarian issues (which are serious and important).

Those two elements are pretty much independent of one another. Meaning, there can be a strong argument TO wear masks for medical reasons, and a strong argument NOT TO wear masks for human rights and psychological conditioning reasons, all of which I understand and endorse.

(Note: some posters here still seem to think that mask wearing is all about protecting oneself. It's not. It's about protecting others in case you're asymptomatic — i.e. have no idea the virus is in your body — and may well be able to infect others easily. Masks do a less-than-perfect job (but far better than nothing) to prevent your own viruses from causing more harm in the community.)
I'm not going to argue any other case here, and won't be engaging in dialog about this. There seems little point. Carry on, if you all must! :)

[RunningDeer]

Quote from Bill: I’m just dropping in here on this thread for a few minutes, which I long ago abandoned.:)

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/construction.gif I won’t quote Bill’s post to save him from “dropping by”. I did want to give a shout out to say… these are some of my thoughts and feelings of late.

The one above and these:

"I don't have the motivation, time or energy to dig..." "...videos from a few weeks ago, as I'm reasonably persuaded that no-one posting here (presenting any position or argument) will ever change their minds. :P"

"So it's really a moot point. All that's happening is that many (but not all) people are just endlessly banging a loud drum for weeks on end to persuade people that they're right."

"I'm not going to argue any other case here, and won't be engaging in dialog about this. There seems little point. Carry on, if you all must! :)"


............http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/check-this.gif
(Nothing personal Avalon Family. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/hat-baseball.gif)

♡

[TomKat]

It's becoming a moot point. Local governments are now requiring it. There's a real danger that herd immunity will be achieved and recognized before a vaccine can be developed and widely implemented. That's what the mask is supposed to achieve, keep people from becoming immune. I doubt it will work.

[onawah]

I will carry on, not because I want to be seen as right, but for the same reason I continue to post information on Avalon on many different subjects which the mainstream media wants to hide -- because there is a hidden agenda that has to be exposed.
And for people who don't have time to do their own research, hopefully this is a place where they can come to easily find the answers they need.
I also have no wish to get into a debate about this.
I will admit that for conspiracy theorists, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that nowadays whatever the mainstream is saying about something controversial is likely to be the opposite of the truth,
Even if there is no corroborating evidence, which is why we are always encouraged to look for corroborating evidence.
There is no lack of testimony from unbiased studies and credible experts from scientific fields to demonstrate that masks and social distancing don't work and are causing the opposite of what they are supposed to be preventing, not to mention the ruin of many lives and many countries' economies.
Or that the whole lockdown scenario including the proposed vaccine, the contact tracing, the push for a social credit system such as China has, is just part of the globalist's agenda long in the making to create an Orwellian New World Order.
I think most of us agree on this.
So it seems very odd to me that anyone on this forum, which is supposed to be about conspiracy theory and exposing the truth that the mainstream wants to hide, should be more or less taken to task by Bill for doing the very job that I think most of us come here to do.
Granted, there may be some narcissists that just need to be seen as right; hopefully they won't stay long or have much effect while they're here.
But on the whole, I think we do a pretty good job of covering the major conspiracies of the day, and I don't think masking is any exception.
As more evidence, I will present another case of the psychological torture that is being inflicted on the public as explained here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111342-Mind-control-and-programming&p=1365051&viewfull=1#post1365051
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"Jun.08 -- Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the World Health Organization’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, says transmission of the coronavirus by people who aren’t showing symptoms is 'very rare.' She spoke Monday at a briefing in Geneva."
and then:
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WHO Clarifies Claims on Asymptomatic Covid-19 CasesJun 9, 2020
"A top World Health Organization (WHO) expert on Tuesday sought to clear up "misunderstandings" after her comments were widely understood to suggest that transmission of the coronavirus by infected people who show no symptoms was rare, insisting she was referring to a few studies,

No doubt this woman has no clue she is furthering an evil agenda, but is just following orders from on high.
But the brunt of research that was done about how to deal with a virus before Covid ever appeared contradicts what is officially being pushed now, and little attention is devoted to that, though as more and more evidence mounts about the flawed tests, the skewed statistics, the cover ups involving empty hospitals, of hospitals killing people with ventilators because they've essentially been bribed to do so, of not treating critically ill people who don't display virus symptoms, of the number of deaths being attributed to Covid that were not caused by Covid, etc,. etc. anyone who is paying attention has no logical reason to believe the stories that are being force fed to the public 24 hours a day by lamestream media.
But I don't really see any logical reason why it should be necessary to reiterate all this on what is supposed to be forum for conspiracy theorists -or truth seekers, or whatever we wish to call ourselves.
And I am kind of creeped out now, having been so long an active member here, because it does seem necessary.

[Bill Ryan]

"A top World Health Organization (WHO) expert on Tuesday sought to clear up "misunderstandings" after her comments were widely understood to suggest that transmission of the coronavirus by infected people who show no symptoms was rare, insisting she was referring to a few studiesChris Martenson (https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos), sharply critical of the WHO, has often played this marvelous video to make the point.

Here's the WHO bus doing another U-turn: :)

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CookedHeavenlyFennecfox-mobile.mp4

[Hym]

Constitutional attorney, Rick Martin has just completed the tort form on his website..

He is encouraging anyone who is refused entrance to a business for not wearing a mask, to fill one out and file it.

Tort Claim:
https://www.constitutionallawgroup.us/files/ricks-domestic-terrorism.pdf


Instructions to fill out:
https://www.constitutionallawgroup.us/files/step-by-step-for-tort-claim-revised.pdf


The website is:

constitutionallawgroup.us

A good base of information and resources.

[Hym]

In response to my post above, #317:

I support all efforts of those who want to go the legal route this way. If I was a business owner I would have already filed the claim.

I talked to the constitutional attorney for a bit and understood the immense amount of information overload he is now under. I think it will get busier for him in some ways, yet hopefully with a decreasing research load due to the efforts of those who will volunteer to help him in researching and filing individual claims. The information gathered by any responses challenging a tort claim should be an interesting study in the dynamics of the political choices and the morality that shapes their direction. They are always helpful in defining the work that has to be done to get lasting results.

He has already personally helped some small businesses reopen when threatened with being fined or shut down by police. He notes that it only takes a little time to stop the actions by the police, usually a sheriff here in the states. He cites constitutional law and the unlawful implementation of state mandates in great detail, also citing the vast resources within the published science that refute the reasoning for implementing draconian restrictions upon personal and professional freedoms.

We agreed on the instructions from OSHA, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, being a common sense basis for the proven use and the unhealthy overuse of masks, especially for those of us decades deep in the experiences on both sides of the issue. We wear masks when we need protection, not when others need protection from us. In that case we should not be at work or in public. That is only effective in the clinical use of masks.

There is no way that OSHA would agree to requiring anyone to wear a mask all day long, especially when working. We are taught this in our OSHA safety classes, the ones required to stay employed in any working union and legally bound in any non-union employment that requires protection from an airborne particulate or aerosol. We are well aware that the overuse of masks is unhealthy enough at times to become dangerous and sometimes deadly, solely due to the reabsorption of carbon dioxide and the resultant hypercapnia that damages the immune system and poses an immediate threat to the health of the one wearing such a restrictive PPE.

For many of us who have used masks in our careers, it is clearly unhealthy to wear masks for any extended period of time. We all know from experience that if we wear them too often we will get sick, no matter the high baseline of our personal health. Air in and absorbed. Carbon dioxide out and away from the new air we must then immediately breath in, many times per minute, all day long, all life long. Damn! Could it be any more simple than that!

This is no easy walk for the many business owners, at this time creating 80% of U.S. GNP, who have lost so much of their income and lifelong efforts to create a stable income for their families and their employees.

This ends, far from the harsh economic impositions and the unhealthy oxymoron of social distancing, when people choose their own solutions and begin living in that presence, in the times before the reactions to the imbedded chaos have concluded. On many levels it is very clear.

[Old Student]

Where is your documented "science" coming from? Hospital settings? In the community, there have been EMS standard operating procedures for at least going on two decades now, that when someone is suspected of having an infectious respiratory disease, you put a mask on them to avoid others contracting the disease.

This disease has asymptomatic spread -- people can be infected and spreading without symptoms. Since we do not know who could be potentially spreading the disease, we put the masks on people to keep them from spreading what they potentially don't know they have.

This disease is quite a mess -- it is a vascular disease that destroys virtually any subsystem of the human body if it gets to it. It is serious in 20% of those with symptoms regardless of age. In many of those who do recover, there is permanent damage.

We treated someone once we were called to the scene with child with headache. We arrived at the same time as someone with higher level of training, they put a mask on the child immediately and had everyone move back to the six foot distance. That was before we asked even our first question. The first question was, "Can you touch your chin to your chest?" Small children don't usually get headaches -- so the worry was of meningitis. See the protocol? Mask on child first, "social distance" to six feet, then start figuring it out. Why? Deadly disease spread by aerosol, people could be infected before they knew what it was.

That was ten years ago. Even further ago, the protocols for SARS were full suit first, separated ambulances only, mask on patient first and then treat.

Protocol for TB is mask on patient first and then treat.

See a pattern here?

The idea that the science is with no masks just not true. The science, and evidence based practice has been with masks for decades.

[Hym]

Getting a bit personal there Bubba. I don't do that, unless you want to learn a little.

Do you understand what you just wrote? You just agreed with what I wrote. Of course we mask those who have the obvious symptoms of exposure to contagions. We do not, however, ignore the simple science that tells us restricting our oxygen intake and absorbing carbon dioxide back into our bloodstream is very unhealthy, and when done over a long period of time increases the reactivation of the dormant viruses we carry.

The protocol you mention has always been the case, when it is obvious that the patient is under great duress with the symptoms of infectious disease. This is not the case we're talking about and you know it.

And for sure, no one ever told you to "Social" distance before this pandemic arrived, as I doubt you read the school experiment of the 14 year old student who first used the term "social distancing". You are conflating asymptomatic carriers and those with no exposure at all with those who show acute distress. That is nonsense.

Did you watch all of the videos and the results posted here, just on this thread alone? I'm willing to discuss the presentations of the professionals in the videos here on this thread, but I won't waste time repeating scenarios that even those who refuse to wear masks under this mandate would agree to do so in those other, rare cases.


It is not "my" science. I didn't research it or publish it. I just read the research and results in their entirety, as I do most all of the papers from the researchers and the scientists who devote their lives to their studies.

Robert F.Kennedy Jr. published a lengthly study on the use of masks on his site The Childrens Defense Fund.

Dr.Rashid Battar talks about it on his site, in his lectures and in his videos. If you listened to and understood even one of his videos on the dangers of overusing a mask when you are healthy or if you have any comorbidity, in which case you should seek out treatment, then you would not have taken the time to respond with such emotion. I do not disagree with the use of masks, as no one else discussing this here now does, when acute symptoms need to be mitigated.

Judy A. Mikovits talks extensively about her 40 years of clinical research on infectious disease and often talks about why we should rarely wear masks, except in a clinical setting. Read her book "Plague of Corruption" if you really want to discuss it and then I'd talk to her, not me, as she is one of the best.

And on.....However, I'm not here to indulge anyone who hasn't taken the time to learn and to simply watch all of the presentations on this thread alone, let alone throughout this entire site.

If you choose not to read the entire thread, the one we are on now, then why do you bother to debate anything at all, with anyone here?

The only requisite here is to read, to listen, to understand before you comment. It is obvious you haven't done that because all of the doctors, the researchers and those working in the hospitals themselves have commented here, in their videos and on this thread. And that's just the beginning of the studies, the science, the proofs.

You aren't afforded the luxury of picking and choosing opinion over science and experiences related to this particular pandemic, unless you are here just to be antagonistic. Wrong guy to b.s. with here.

[onawah]

Your argument is totally out of context.
A surgeon or hospital worker in an infectious environment is one thing, but those who work in hospitals know they cannot wear masks for long periods of time without suffering consequences to their health, and that is well known.
But when has virtually the entire population of the world been instructed to wear a mask for long periods of time every day when in public and to keep 6 feet apart from others at all times?
When have people all over the world been forbidden to be out in the sun in public parks and beaches and other places where there is practically no chance of communicating a virus?
Why are people forbidden to worship in their churches, but allowed to shop in big stores and in bars?
When have businesses and schools been completely closed down and people refused health care unless they have virus- like symptoms?
This is unprecedented and totally unnatural, and there is still no end in sight to these unlawful restrictions.
And forcing everyone, including children and people to wear masks who cannot safely do so at all will no doubt be the next step if they can get away with it.
What IS new is the technology which will now give Big Brother the ability to monitor people at all times on the streets, in stores, even in their homes.
Which is the real reason why they are making social distancing mandatory--because they need exactly 6 feet between each person to be able to more accurately identify them.
Military and law enforcement experts have explained this quite clearly.
Is that just a coincidence?
All their plans will come to fruition if gullible people don't start connecting the dots and giving up on their cozy illusions about what kind of people our so-called "leaders" really are.
Unlike cream that rises to the top in milk, in our culture the people who rise to the top are the psychopaths and sociopaths and narcissists, because they are ruthless and twisted and they don't give a damn about others, but they are good at pretending to be real leaders so they can get what they want, and their greed knows no bounds.
People who speak out against their agendas are the real leaders.
They risk a lot to do it, including their lives and moronic attacks from people who should know better but who refuse to see.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, but they will heartily regret it one day when the truth can no longer be hidden.


Where is your documented "science" coming from? Hospital settings? In the community, there have been EMS standard operating procedures for at least going on two decades now, that when someone is suspected of having an infectious respiratory disease, you put a mask on them to avoid others contracting the disease.

This disease has asymptomatic spread -- people can be infected and spreading without symptoms. Since we do not know who could be potentially spreading the disease, we put the masks on people to keep them from spreading what they potentially don't know they have.

This disease is quite a mess -- it is a vascular disease that destroys virtually any subsystem of the human body if it gets to it. It is serious in 20% of those with symptoms regardless of age. In many of those who do recover, there is permanent damage.

We treated someone once we were called to the scene with child with headache. We arrived at the same time as someone with higher level of training, they put a mask on the child immediately and had everyone move back to the six foot distance. That was before we asked even our first question. The first question was, "Can you touch your chin to your chest?" Small children don't usually get headaches -- so the worry was of meningitis. See the protocol? Mask on child first, "social distance" to six feet, then start figuring it out. Why? Deadly disease spread by aerosol, people could be infected before they knew what it was.

That was ten years ago. Even further ago, the protocols for SARS were full suit first, separated ambulances only, mask on patient first and then treat.

Protocol for TB is mask on patient first and then treat.

See a pattern here?

The idea that the science is with no masks just not true. The science, and evidence based practice has been with masks for decades.

[greybeard]

On a personal note
My ex wife is a staff nurse and super healthy, does yoga , walks miles, cycles.

Last week she had a long shift wearing a mask with no break due to short staffing on a busy ward.
She fainted and nearly banged her head on a table.
She has never ever done that before and tells me that she puts it down to wearing the mask for a long period --other nurses have had similar experiences.

There have been scientific tests done --which are mentioned on this thread -- that prove without doubt the dangers of mask wearing.
It is not an opinion-- its a fact.

However freedom of choice matters.
As Dr Rashid says
If you wear a mask and believe it works why castigate those not wearing for endangering me, surely you cant be affect by my breath/virus.
He says do not inflict your idiocy on me. or words to that effect.
He gives evidence on how you can personally do a test on the quality of your breath before and after wearing mask--level of oxygen and carbon dioxide

I agree with onawah -- there is a lot of important information in this thread and its evolving.
For example how to legally refuse to wear and how to answer challenges by fervent adherers to lunatic Draconian rules.
There is a definate agenda to forcing people to wear masks-- there are new readers of this thread guests -- who benefit from the shared information.
If anyone wants to post information as to why they want to wear a mask, preferably with quoted scientific fact, then they are free to do so.
Such is Avalon.
Chris

[pueblo]

Onawah, can you explain the quote below (from post #321) a little further? Are you referring to the bluetooth contact tracing apps? Facial recognition AI?


Which is the real reason why they are making social distancing mandatory--because they need exactly 6 feet between each person to be able to more accurately identify them.

[greybeard]

TRUTH THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND Dr Rashid Buttar YouTube



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPI7lzx1l4
Thanks, Chris. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/thumbs-two.gif

Some points for myself from the video (and elsewhere):

Understanding The HIPPA Law. HIPAA is an acronym for The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act and was first enforced in 1996. This Act was created to provide protection for personal health information.

The Privacy Rule is a federal law which allows you certain rights over your personal health information.

If you have a medical exemption and if they ask you what that medical exemption, they have just violated your HIPPA rights and your American Disabilities Acts rights. Because nobody can ask you what your medical condition is. They cannot by statute, by law ask you. That is against the law. (US law)

If you wear a face mask you are:

restricting your oxygen
increasing the amount of carbon dioxide you're breathing back
an increased amount of bacteria that accumulates from what you’re breathing
the condensation from your breath is breaking down the polypropylene components of the face mask, breathing in those toxic components and creating a histo toxic, hypoxic injury
not able to get in fresh oxygen
increasing your cortisol levels and that drives you into the flight fight response which is a sympathetic overdrive and then that suppresses your immune system

You're increasing your own susceptibility when you wear a mask to every pathogen that's out there: virus, bacteria, spirochetes, microplasma, yeast, fungi, parasites. You are increasing your own susceptibility when you wear a mass. You're stressing your body out. You're making your body weaker. You're making yourself hypoxic. You are more susceptible, more vulnerable to any pathogen.

If you believe the face mask protects and saves you, then what do you care whether I wear a face mask?


Wise words from Magenta Pixie on wearing masks:

"Yet in truth it is a sign of acquiescence to the borg control machine. A sign of compliance to a totalitarian regime. A sign one is willing to stop speaking their truth. A sign that we are happy to restrict our oxygen intake and celestial pranic flow of lifeforce. A sign we give permission for our own slavery and a new world order takeover.
So no, for those who know the truth it is not a sign of 'mutual respect' at all.
WeDoNotConsent"

Thanks, Sabrina. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/hug-two.gif

Bumping this post from much respected RunningDeer.
She has taken from the Video salient points.
The video itself shows the frustration the Dr is experiencing.
He must be really tired of the nonsense.
One member started a thread calling him a snake oil sales man
Heavens above.
Chris

[RunningDeer]

:bump:
http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Fantasy_Fun/bump-horse-goat.gif

greybeard (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110761-Do-you-wear-a-face-mask&p=1365320&viewfull=1#post1365320):




I agree with onawah -- there is a lot of important information in this thread and its evolving.

Chris

onawah (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110761-Do-you-wear-a-face-mask&p=1365315&viewfull=1#post1365315):




A surgeon or hospital worker in an infectious environment is one thing, but those who work in hospitals know they cannot wear masks for long periods of time without suffering consequences to their health, and that is well known.

But when has virtually the entire population of the world been instructed to wear a mask for long periods of time every day when in public and to keep 6 feet apart from others at all times?

When have people all over the world been forbidden to be out in the sun in public parks and beaches and other places where there is practically no chance of communicating a virus?

Why are people forbidden to worship in their churches, but allowed to shop in big stores and in bars?

When have businesses and schools been completely closed down and people refused health care unless they have virus- like symptoms?

This is unprecedented and totally unnatural, and there is still no end in sight to these unlawful restrictions.

And forcing everyone, including children and people to wear masks who cannot safely do so at all will no doubt be the next step if they can get away with it.

What IS new is the technology which will now give Big Brother the ability to monitor people at all times on the streets, in stores, even in their homes.

Which is the real reason why they are making social distancing mandatory--because they need exactly 6 feet between each person to be able to more accurately identify them.

Military and law enforcement experts have explained this quite clearly.

Is that just a coincidence?

All their plans will come to fruition if gullible people don't start connecting the dots and giving up on their cozy illusions about what kind of people our so-called "leaders" really are.

Unlike cream that rises to the top in milk, in our culture the people who rise to the top are the psychopaths and sociopaths and narcissists, because they are ruthless and twisted and they don't give a damn about others, but they are good at pretending to be real leaders so they can get what they want, and their greed knows no bounds.

People who speak out against their agendas are the real leaders.

They risk a lot to do it, including their lives and moronic attacks from people who should know better but who refuse to see.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, but they will heartily regret it one day when the truth can no longer be hidden.

♡

[greybeard]

F%&K THE MASK with Lee Dawson and Charlie Ward


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6bua-_xqco

[onawah]

YES, that's what I was referring to.
I just want to add that if Gates and Fauci et al knew that everyone wearing masks actually protected people from Covid (whatever that is) they would no doubt recommend that people NOT wear masks.
Because their NWO globalist agenda has never been to protect the population, but to reduce it.


Onawah, can you explain the quote below (from post #321) a little further? Are you referring to the bluetooth contact tracing apps? Facial recognition AI?


Which is the real reason why they are making social distancing mandatory--because they need exactly 6 feet between each person to be able to more accurately identify them.

[DaveToo]

Where is your documented "science" coming from? Hospital settings? In the community, there have been EMS standard operating procedures for at least going on two decades now, that when someone is suspected of having an infectious respiratory disease, you put a mask on them to avoid others contracting the disease.

This disease has asymptomatic spread -- people can be infected and spreading without symptoms. Since we do not know who could be potentially spreading the disease, we put the masks on people to keep them from spreading what they potentially don't know they have.



Not according to the WHO.
Please cite your scientific references on this virus.

[Ernie Nemeth]

This argument would make some sense if there even was an emergency over and above the regular flu but there is not.

This is not about masks, it is about control and the overthrow of the United States of America by communist China and its ilk.

[Bill Ryan]

Not according to the WHO.
It may be very wise now to disregard anything that the WHO says, and look instead to more reliable sources.

Anticipating the question "Okay, which reliable sources?" I'd strongly recommend ANYTHING that Chris Martenson (https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos) presents, in each and every case strongly backed by detailed studies which he cites and analyzes in detail.

[onawah]

I recommend Jon Rappaport, not a scientist, but a great investigative journalist, and I'm starting a new thread with some of his more recent articles about the Covid hoax here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111445-Jon-Rappoport-on-the-Covid-Hoax&p=1365436&viewfull=1#post1365436

[pueblo]

Where is your documented "science" coming from? Hospital settings? In the community, there have been EMS standard operating procedures for at least going on two decades now, that when someone is suspected of having an infectious respiratory disease, you put a mask on them to avoid others contracting the disease.

This disease has asymptomatic spread -- people can be infected and spreading without symptoms. Since we do not know who could be potentially spreading the disease, we put the masks on people to keep them from spreading what they potentially don't know they have.



Not according to the WHO.
Please cite your scientific references on this virus.

Correct. The WHO have done a 180 degree turn on this.

So, no reason to wear a mask unless of course you actually are symptomatic!

tFEmmvLL7og

[DaveToo]

Not according to the WHO.
It may be very wise now to disregard anything that the WHO says, and look instead to more reliable sources.

Anticipating the question "Okay, which reliable sources?" I'd strongly recommend ANYTHING that Chris Martenson (https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos) presents, in each and every case strongly backed by detailed studies which he cites and analyzes in detail.

Bill I am with you 100% on the WHO.
The organization is bogus and corrupt through and through.

HOWEVER, they are still considered to be THE world authority on health matters.
They did announce this pandemic didn't they?

Anytime they happen to agree with scientists' (and my) position on a health issue, I will always be the first to trumpet them as a reference.

It's a kind of 'back in your face' type of thing for me. :)
I hope you understand now.

[Patient]

Today I went out to a few stores - I hadn't ventured further than my local grocery store in quite a while.

I was very surprised by what I saw. The general publics' behaviour regarding the wearing of masks is really alarming to me.

I saw mothers with children that cos not have been older than 4 years old wearing masks while walking through a mall - can't be good for brain development.

Staff in stores enforcing the customers to wear masks were very panicky and stressed if you didn't have it on perfectly.

I pulled my mask (which I wore at the request of one store because I was only going in for one item), and I pulled it a bit away from my mouth so I could speak and an employee yelled down the aisle at me telling me that that was my first warning and if I did it again I would have to leave.

At another store I was asked to sanitize my hands upon entering and I was not allowed to touch any of the merchandise.

The paranoia and stupidy/ignorance is really quite alarming. I removed my mask as I was walking out the door at one store and the employee yelled at me to keep it on until I was completely out of the store because he did not want to die - his exact words.

The general public are so brainwashed (or whatever you would like to call it) it is really shocking.

It is one thing to read stories and watch a video, but when you can go and see it happening everywhere - it is really eye opening.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Today I went out to a few stores - I hadn't ventured further than my local grocery store in quite a while.

I was very surprised by what I saw. The general publics' behaviour regarding the wearing of masks is really alarming to me.

I saw mothers with children that cos not have been older than 4 years old wearing masks while walking through a mall - can't be good for brain development.

Staff in stores enforcing the customers to wear masks were very panicky and stressed if you didn't have it on perfectly.

I pulled my mask (which I wore at the request of one store because I was only going in for one item), and I pulled it a bit away from my mouth so I could speak and an employee yelled down the aisle at me telling me that that was my first warning and if I did it again I would have to leave.

At another store I was asked to sanitize my hands upon entering and I was not allowed to touch any of the merchandise.

The paranoia and stupidy/ignorance is really quite alarming. I removed my mask as I was walking out the door at one store and the employee yelled at me to keep it on until I was completely out of the store because he did not want to die - his exact words.

The general public are so brainwashed (or whatever you would like to call it) it is really shocking.

It is one thing to read stories and watch a video, but when you can go and see it happening everywhere - it is really eye opening.

Yes, the change in the last week in my neighborhood is quite alarming. I am in a suburb of Portland, Oregon. Nearly everyone, including children, are all wearing masks out of doors. People walking, jogging, cycling, all alone, on empty streets, are wearing masks. Young children riding bikes are wearing masks. We are not allowed in stores without covering our face, and there are aggressive store employees to enforce this rule. I walk without a mask and people literally leap off the sidewalk and into the street as I pass. It has become quite obvious that you are expected to wear a mask - always. BTW, our death rate has been steadily declining.

[DaveToo]

Yes, the change in the last week in my neighborhood is quite alarming. I am in a suburb of Portland, Oregon. Nearly everyone, including children, are all wearing masks out of doors. People walking, jogging, cycling, all alone, on empty streets, are wearing masks. Young children riding bikes are wearing masks. We are not allowed in stores without covering our face, and there are aggressive store employees to enforce this rule. I walk without a mask and people literally leap off the sidewalk and into the street as I pass. It has become quite obvious that you are expected to wear a mask - always. BTW, our death rate has been steadily declining.

I will provide four graphs for your viewing pleasure. I have been monitoring the graphs of more than 100 countries daily, since February.

The first two are U.S. graphs (cases and deaths).
The first US graph actually has cases and deaths together, but the deaths are becoming so small, they are literally almost off the chart!
Take a look at the two graphs and then tell me "What is wrong with this picture?"

https://i.postimg.cc/MpkVvSsW/US-Cases-Jul-8.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/85CrqPCb/US-Deaths-Jul-8.jpg

The next two are Canadian graphs (cases and deaths).

Now get this. At the peak (beginning of May), when the virus was spreading like crazy amongst the public and people were dropping like flies,
grocery stores and hardware stores were allowing people in without masks. Around 60% of the public were wearing masks back then.

Now that the virus is almost eradicated in Canada, new laws are sprouting everywhere mandating face masks indoors!

So the rhetorical question begs to be asked, if people could shop indoors without masks during the height of the pandemic when the virus was raging,
why mandate masks now that the virus is almost gone?

BTW those 'spikes' you see from a few days ago on the two graphs are not spikes in cases or deaths.
As occurs frequently with countries that report their numbers, they will skip a day or more of data and then
report for the days missing, all lumped together as one day.

https://i.postimg.cc/0yQRZqN7/CAN-Cases-Jul-9.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Wp6Bv4FM/CAN-Deaths-Jul-9.jpg

[Patient]

Tptb have made a huge impact on the general public. The public is so dumber down, and now they are having less oxygen get into their bodies.

Perhaps this is partly how they will make the covid desth numbers appear to rise again.

[pueblo]

Another good reason not to wear a mask.

-a_cvFIfJ9M

[DaveToo]

Another good reason not to wear a mask.

-a_cvFIfJ9M

LOL! :clapping:

[onawah]

Mask Tested Using a using a CO2 Monitor
I'm so glad I found this again so I could post it here!
Simple but profound! MUST SEE!!
The video was on youtube and immediately got censored, but it's on bitchute now. Just learned how to embed it from Paula's post, which is coming next. (Thanks to Paula)
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https://twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1281282171169386498?s=21


Del Bigtree
@delbigtree
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13h
I TESTED several MASKS on my 11 year old son using a CO2 monitor. The results were TOXIC!! I will not comply with MANDATED CHILD ABUSE. #BeBrave #StopImmunityDeniers #CovIdiirs https://youtu.be/229cvY7UHbE via
@YouTube
THIS LIVE MASK TEST SHOCKS VIEWERS
'The HighWire' host Del Bigtree and son, Ever, conducted a test, using an OSHA-approved Carbon-Dioxide meter, which revealed something about masks...

[RunningDeer]

Mask Tested Using a using a CO2 Monitor
I'm so glad I found this again so I could post it here!
Simple but profound! MUST SEE!!
The video was on youtube and immediately got censored, but it's on bitchute now at:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/n8PpVm34hn5V/

Two ways to embed BitChute video - Post #43 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=1063649&viewfull=1#post1063649)


n8PpVm34hn5V
https://www.bitchute.com/video/n8PpVm34hn5V/

[onawah]

Thanks Paula! I embedded it in my post.



Two ways to embed BitChute video - Post #43 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=1063649&viewfull=1#post1063649)

[DeDukshyn]

Mask Tested Using a using a CO2 Monitor
I'm so glad I found this again so I could post it here!
Simple but profound! MUST SEE!!
The video was on youtube and immediately got censored, but it's on bitchute now. Just learned how to embed it from Paula's post, which is coming next. (Thanks to Paula)
n8PpVm34hn5V/
https://twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1281282171169386498?s=21


Del Bigtree
@delbigtree


·
13h
I TESTED several MASKS on my 11 year old son using a CO2 monitor. The results were TOXIC!! I will not comply with MANDATED CHILD ABUSE. #BeBrave #StopImmunityDeniers #CovIdiirs https://youtu.be/229cvY7UHbE via
@YouTube
THIS LIVE MASK TEST SHOCKS VIEWERS
'The HighWire' host Del Bigtree and son, Ever, conducted a test, using an OSHA-approved Carbon-Dioxide meter, which revealed something about masks...


Can I get a URL for the Bitchute link? Embedded Bitchute vids do not show for me at all, and when I check the URL in your post, the tags shorten it to something not usable.

Thanks.

EDIT: I see the URL in Paula's post above I guess from before you edited yours to embed. When people embed bitchute vids I can't watch them, and there's no URL to click or extract from the post unless the poster manually adds it. It may have something to do with my ad blocker, but I'm missing out on embedded content because of this issue.

[onawah]

Here it is: https://www.bitchute.com/video/n8PpVm34hn5V/



Can I get a URL for the Bitchute link? Embedded Bitchute vids do not show for me at all, and when I check the URL in your post, the tags shorten it to something not usable.

Thanks.

EDIT: I see the URL in Paula's post above I guess from before you edited yours to embed. When people embed bitchute vids I can't watch them, and there's no URL to click or extract from the post unless the poster manually adds it. It may have something to do with my ad blocker, but I'm missing out on embedded content because of this issue.

[onawah]

Masks a Sledgehammer to Health
July 9, 2020
by Dr. Mark Sircus
https://drsircus.com/general/wearing-masks-a-sledgehammer-to-health/

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"They did it this time. A group of men and women executed a well thought out plan to drive the health of the human race into the toilet. Attacking the very basics of life, they have deprived people, en mass, of the life/health-giving rays of the sun (depressing vitamin D levels) with their lock-downs. And through wearing masks, public health officials are forcing the public into hypoxic breathing conditions. Wearing a mask reduces the oxygen we breathe in and increases the CO2 intake.

There was a video showing people testing masks for the quality of air in terms of oxygen and CO2. The video has been removed (no surprise there) because it showed that wearing a mask is a health hazard. See details below. And here is a video of Dr. Rashid Buttar giving a passionate presentation of the dangers of wearing masks. His words are perhaps crude, but he hits the right points.

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Of course, health officials are all for masks, and you better get used to them. One health expert is predicting that masks will remain a facet of American life for years to come. Eric Toner, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said, “I think that mask-wearing and some degree of social distancing, we will be living with — hopefully living with happily — for several years.”

What will be the effect will be of depriving oxygen to billions of people for years? How happy will that make people? Or inhaling dangerous amounts of CO2, what is that going to do to peoples’ health after several years or even after only a few weeks or months?

Decreasing the amount of oxygen people are breathing, by forcing people to wear masks, is cruel and medically stupid, as Dr. Buttar points out. Under the mask, O2 readings drop from a regular 21 to an unhealthy 17.5, ringing the alarm of the official OSHA devices that measure such things.

The usual amount of CO2 in the air is approximately 400 ppm, when measured around the nose of mouth would be higher. But wear a mask and concentrations shoot up to 5,000. This is not healthy! Carbon dioxide in the air we breathe usually is at 0.0390 percent. When we breathe out, it is 4.0 percent. It is not the concentration we want to be breathing in.

The minimum oxygen concentration in the air required for human breathing is 19.5 percent. Approximately 78 percent of the air we breathe is nitrogen gas, while only about 20.9 percent is oxygen. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration, OSHA, determined the optimal range of oxygen in the air for humans runs between 19.5 and 23.5 percent.

Not Enough Oxygen: Side Effects

Serious side effects can occur if the oxygen levels drop outside the safe zone. When oxygen concentrations drop from 19.5 to 16 percent, and you engage in physical activity, your cells fail to receive the oxygen needed to function correctly. So wearing masks is not indicated for any reason because masks represent slow suffocation. Not quite as bad as strangling a person or killing them outright by completely cutting off their breath, but across the board, health will be depressed, and death from all causes will increase.

Healthy People Have Little Problem with Viruses

Viruses of all types will get out of control in people who are vitamin D and oxygen-deficient and who are breathing back in their CO2. Add vitamin D deficiency to the mix, and we have a non-virus health crisis in the making. Its clear, no death from the coronavirus at vitamin D blood concentrations above 34 ng/ml. Light is essential; it is the backbone of life and can be used as a potent medicine against COVID-19. So keeping people indoors would never be the answer for any wise doctor.

WHO – World Unhealth Organization

When will we realize that health officials are death officials and that the World Health Organization is the World Unhealth Organization? Modern medicine is a death machine, and pharmaceutical terrorism has been behind human misery on a breathtaking scale for more years than most of us have been alive. The heads of the most prestigious medical journals in the world cannot trust the studies they publish, meaning the entire edifice of pharmaceutical medicine stands on quicksand.

The authorities have decided to pull the plug on life as we know it. The coronavirus by itself is not a problem for the majority, but the governmental and medical response to it will hurt everyone. Lock-downs and the wearing of masks will take a sledgehammer to human health.

Nutritional status is also being depressed as the food system is compromised by the lock-down, and that means immune systems are damaged. Starvation is an issue for millions more than before the lock-downs began, so no one can say nutrition does not matter.

Conclusion

Health officials are pulling a fast one on the human race and are getting away with it. They have taken over the world, taken away our freedoms, and are almost cheering as infection rates go up, and salivating waiting for the increase in deaths that are supposed to follow.

Health officials were not prepared medically speaking (no idea how to treat this or other viruses), and complicit in the creation of the virus. When the body count from starvation, increased suicides, and deaths from critical patients, who stay at home out of fear of going to the hospitals, we have one thing. But when we deprive humans of sunlight and oxygen while exposing them to dangerous levels of CO2, we might find ourselves witnessing eventual genocide.

Exceptionally Cruel and Insensitive Health Officials love scary predictions that do not come true and do not want to listen to anyone who disagrees with their insensible plans to destroy human civilization. They are destroyers of human existence, social activity, human happiness, and today we see even human health."

[marielle]

I would prefer not wear a mask but I just ordered this:

43878

This mesh mask is just for fun and to see if anyone notices...but I always pull my mask down after I get past the door guards. No one has harassed me, so far.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Masks are now compulsory in Ontario, Canada, when inside a public building, unless preexisting conditions counter-indicate. I have been hunted down and harassed a few times already by employees who for the most part know better but do not want to lose their job. I comply when singled out but not before giving a lecture - and I purposely use the mask incorrectly so I can breath through my nose unobstructed.

My immune system is an high alert by my intentional, focussed, and common sense approach to health - regardless of the 'official health expert' advice and mandates. I will not conspire against myself to lower my defenses, no matter what or WHO says what.

[Maia Gabrial]

We're all starting to discover that there is NO SCIENCE behind wearing masks or social distancing. And the lockdowns are supposed to be for the sick, not the healthy. What gives?

Found this video about masks not protecting you from anyone and vice versa.... In fact, it's not even good for you, but they've made them mandatory.

Makes you wonder what's behind the agendas.... But then, most of us already suspect what those are, right?

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[RunningDeer]

I would prefer not wear a mask but I just ordered this:

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/News/mask-mesh.jpg
This mesh mask is just for fun and to see if anyone notices...but I always pull my mask down after I get past the door guards. No one has harassed me, so far.

Funny you posted that. For the last couple of weeks, I’ve been wearing my home made bandana mask on my chin. (vid below) It barely touches my bottom lip. I figured that most people don’t make eye contact. And the ones that may give a glance, only see the bandana on a nondescript face. Over the last 4 months, there’s less and less contact between everyone.

I’ve noticed two extremes where parents wear masks and they don’t insist their little ones 3, 4, 5, 6 years old wear them. And there’s an uptick of folks that also don themselves with “Reusable Playtex® Living® Gloves”.


http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/News/gloves.jpg

So far, I’ve seen three people without masks in stores. I visited with one at the self-check out counter. She explained that workers can’t ask her because of the HIPPA Law and if a shopper gives her grief, she’d remind them they have a mask and just keep a safe distance. So far no one has approached her. What I was surprised by was the employee that was in charged of the self-check out area rushed away from her over to the flower department. She stood shaking her head in disgust.

It wouldn’t surprise me that even when the rule is lifted, many will continue to wear them.


DIY No Sew Face Mask Easy and Quick for Anyone (1:38 minutes)
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[sunwings]

Catalonia yesterday became the only province in Spain to make wearing masks compulsory when outside. Before, as long as you could keep a 6ft distance, it was not compulsory. Only around 50% of people are respecting it. But it is 30c with high humidity. The elderly are struggling. I am struggling. However, the bars and restaurants are full. But people are scared again, I expect to see these measures all over Europe in the Autumn.

[RunningDeer]

We're all starting to discover that there is NO SCIENCE behind wearing masks or social distancing. And the lockdowns are supposed to be for the sick, not the healthy. What gives?

Found this video about masks not protecting you from anyone and vice versa.... In fact, it's not even good for you, but they've made them mandatory.

Makes you wonder what's behind the agendas.... But then, most of us already suspect what those are, right?


Gw8cY7FgC_U

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/director.gif Shout out to Maia Gabrial.

I added your video & snippets on the Here and Now (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1365747&viewfull=1#post1365747) thread with an update that this thread no longer comes up on the main forum page, i.e. column on the right side “Newest Posts (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php)”. The most recent post can be seen under “New Posts (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=20845933)”.


http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/How-to-Tips/new-post.jpg


"YOUR MASK PROTECTS ME?!?," by: The Healthy American (https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work), Peggy Hall (11 min)


What do you say to someone when they say, "You don't wear a mask to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect others.

The first thing that comes to my mind is, ”Well if you are already wearing a mask, how does my wearing a mask help protect you?”


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What do you say to someone when they say, "You don't wear a mask to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect others. It’s the unselfish thing to do. That is your social responsibility."

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Peggy Hall continues:




I was really calm and polite and methodical and I explained very carefully how your health choices are your responsibility, and my health choices are my responsibility.

I'm not making you go to bed at 10 o'clock at night. I’m not making you stop smoking or stop drinking or stop watching movies or stop watching the news. I don't make you stop sleeping on the couch in the middle of the day. I don't make you stop eating junk food.

I don't make you do all those other health behaviors that would be really good for you like going for a walk and spending time with people that uplift you and doing things that bring you joy.

I’m not insisting that you do those things for me. So why are you insisting that I wear a mask to help protect you? Why is your health my responsibility?

As the months pass, my tolerance level starts to diminish. So now:



Question: ”Well you don't wear a mask to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect others.”

Answer: So if it’s raining outside, I should wear a raincoat to prevent you from getting wet?

When someone says, ”Why are you being so selfish. You don't wear the mask to protect yourself. You wear the mask to protect others.”

Peggy Hall walks the viewers on her website using the science for those types of responses.

Links here for MASKS DON'T WORK (www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work)

June 16, 2020

♡

[Maia Gabrial]

Here's the site she showed on her video:

https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work

[DaveToo]

I would prefer not wear a mask but I just ordered this:

43878

This mesh mask is just for fun and to see if anyone notices...but I always pull my mask down after I get past the door guards. No one has harassed me, so far.

Good job!

A month or so ago, before I adopted the 'medical condition' alibi that no one can refuse in my neck of the woods, I experimented with some home made masks.

I took some cheesy cheese cloth, you know the extremely porous cotton cloth used with foods, and I sewed a few face masks.
Even with these porous masks I didn't want them on my face for more than a minute!

The cheese cloth face mask and the one pictured above drives home my point about face masks.

Show me ANY health organization, government, etc. that has set face mask standards!
Airlines, the WHO, governments simply say "You must wear a face mask!"

Well buddy that itself proves the whole thing is a SCAM.
You know why?

Because my cheese cloth face mask is thinner than the thinnest toilet paper!
And no one can tell me it's not good enough.

[Metaphor]

Perhaps this article could be of interest. Found it through the dollar vigilante yt-channel. This has become a rather long thread, but I didnt see it posted yet. As always discernment and a pinch of salt needed...
"Occult Ritual Transformation and Coronavirus: How Mask Wearing, Hand Washing, “Social Separation” and Lockdowns Are Age-Old Occult Rituals Being Used to Initiate People Into a New Global Order..."

https://haveyenotread.com/occult-ritual-transformation-and-coronavirus/

[RunningDeer]

Perhaps this article could be of interest. Found it through the dollar vigilante yt-channel. This has become a rather long thread, but I didnt see it posted yet. As always discernment and a pinch of salt needed...
"Occult Ritual Transformation and Coronavirus: How Mask Wearing, Hand Washing, “Social Separation” and Lockdowns Are Age-Old Occult Rituals Being Used to Initiate People Into a New Global Order..."

https://haveyenotread.com/occult-ritual-transformation-and-coronavirus/

It's an interesting article, Metaphor. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/dog-puppy.gif Lucy and Jeff. The Dollar Vigilante (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDollarVigilante/videos) channel is current and informative. (sometimes a bit repetitive)

Jeff also covered "Senator Scott Jensen investigated for SPEAKING TRUTH". Chris added here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1365377&viewfull=1#post1365377). Apologies if it’s on this thread. It’s hard to keep track.

I caught Max Igan's colorful, rant that got him booted off his main channel. He's posting on his old one called, "The Crowhouse (https://www.youtube.com/user/aodscarecrow/videos)".


Max Igan Banned, CDC Says Epidemic Is Over and
Occult Ritual of Facemasks and Socialist Distancing
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Senator Scott Jensen investigated for SPEAKING TRUTH
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[greybeard]

I almost despair.
The Amazon deliver lady arrived today wearing mask, leaving parcel at door and stood back the two meters to check my name etc.
She looked to be of "good energy" so I asked her what thought she of current situation, she said its going on a long time.
I said the fact is its not got a higher mortality rate than Flu. She disagreed but I pointed out how that impression was given in the media -- died with rather than from etc.
She got that and was open to check u tube.
You can tell those who have bough into the fear propaganda by their posture.
Head down, slow moving, but will move quickly to maintain "safe" distance.
All these people putting their health at risk by wearing a mask -- long periods.

If I worked for an employer I would point out the dangers of mask wearing and would say that they can be sued now they ar no longer ignorant of this.
If I had a union I would be in touch with them and state workers right to be in a safe environment.
We can do things to protect our rights.
People need to stop acquiescing and use legal means to bring this to an end.

In a way this whole World lockdown thing was started in the UK By Mr N ferguson with his over the top projection model.
It can be halted by donating to this legal challenge.
You dont have to be in the UK

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/
There is more on the link
I have just pasted some of it.
Chris

Letter to PM Demanding Proof of Existence of 'Covid-19'!

The push-back movement against Government tyranny continues!

Now our friends at StandUpX - Science Committee have written to the PM demanding proof of the existence of so-called 'covid-19'. This is to be by way of peer reviewed evidence of isolation and purification of the 'virus'. This is also to be produced with peer reviewed proof that all of the Koch Postulates have been applied to the 'virus'.

As this so-called 'covid-19' 'virus' is now controlling and dominating our lives, it is only reasonable to be given proof of it and if this proof is not given their ludicrous measures of control and vaccination plans should STOP NOW!

The Government have been given to the 22nd of July to provide proof, of course they will not be able to as 'covid-19' does not exist, but it will be interesting to see what they say in their reply. See the letter here:

https://www.kevinpcorbett.com/coronahysteria/viral-challenge-to-boris-johnson.html

As you can see the signatories of the letter are Dr Kevin Corbett, Piers Corbyn, David Crowe, Dr Andrew Kaufman, Dr David Rasnick and Professor Roger Watson. Many more health professionals also wanted to sign the letter but were sadly unable to for fear of the implications to their careers of going against the Government narrative. Dr Kevin Corbett has written some excellent papers on all of this insanity, see:

https://www.kevinpcorbett.com/coronahysteria/index.html

Thank you to Simon Dolan and his team for all their hard work for us, please keep going. We need to fight this Government of Occupation over their lies and fraud at every opportunity!
Update 4

The People's Brexit

July 2, 2020
Fighting Against the Masks!

We can confirm that we are also challenging the legality of being forced to wear masks/ face coverings on public transport and now even in shops in Scotland. It is extremely harmful to health and has no scientific evidence of effectiveness. This is just another form of mind control and to create constant fear and worry in the public. Further, it is against our Human Rights and we should not accept this or any other of the ludicrous measures this Government of Occupation brings in.

This represents a complete 'U turn' on policy by the Government who has announced on many occassions that mask wearing would not be required. It is also against advice given by SAGE and documented in the SAGE minutes and reports.

Even the WHO does not advise mandatory mask wearing by healthy members of the public:

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

They have a very long list of problems and risks caused by mask wearing. However, the Government even ignores them in their determination to dictate and to control us.

As well as acting illegally in bringing in a law that is very harmful to health, the Transport Minister has even acted illegally in his method of making this law. This is because he brought it in as a Statutory Instrument under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, which has been used by this Government as an Enabling Act and a way to bypass Human Rights Legislation, Parliamentary scrutiny, and a requirement for 'emergency' legislation to be both proportionate and temporary. Twelve months with a review before 6 months can hardly be described as temporary!

Further, he announced it on 4th June and then waited until 14th June to actually legislate to avoid having to lay it before Parliament. He then falsely used section 45R of the 1984 Act to claim that he had to pass it urgently. Here is the Statutory Instrument:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/592/introduction/made

We challenge all aspects of 'covid-19' legislation and 'measures' taken against it, as it has never been isolated and proven to exist legally, medically or scientifically.

The Government is using so-called 'covid-19' to ruin our economy and take away our Rights, Freedom and Democracy and TOGETHER WE WILL STOP THEM!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Unlike the basic tenet of our justice systems, where one is considered innocent until proven guilty, the pandemic has rendered all persons guilty of suspected virulent transmission (asymptomatic carriers) - and there is no way to prove otherwise (all must wear a mask). It's like sending everyone to jail because of a suspected crime (everyone is considered a carrier)...and then throwing away the key (no one can prove they are not and so do not need to wear a mask) - until and only once the crime itself is abolished (until a vaccine is invented and everyone takes it).

Pure BS, completely counter to common sense

[Ivanhoe]

Here's an update on my situation, and I supposed other's also.
My company (casino industry) has mandated that everyone, including customers, has temperatures taken and wears masks to be in the facility.
As an employee, if I don't wear a mask I am immediately terminated and walked off the premises, customers are warned twice and escorted out the door after three warnings.
I know the masks don't do a dang thing but people are so paranoid (and conditioned) that they comply, and to make it worse for me, I am compelled by my bosses to become the "mask police" and am constantly reminding people to "wear their masks, and make sure you wear it over your nose". I can be fired for not doing this....
I comply because I need the job, and at 68 it's difficult (dang near impossible) to find another.
The only place I wear one is at work and I remove it as soon as I walk outside after my shift.

[greybeard]

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Seen in Glasgow
Sorry cant upload image in shop window
Basically if you are wearing a mask you can not come in here.
in order to protect employees
Honestly unions need to take this onboard.
The health of staff is being endangered through mandatory wearing of face masks
Chris

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5799786/coronavirus-scotland-glasgow-shop-no-face-masks/?utm_source=pushly


MASK BLAST Coronavirus Scotland: Shocking ‘Glasgow’ shop sign demands customers TAKE OFF face coverings before entering

David Irvine

11 Jul 2020, 13:26Updated: 11 Jul 2020, 13:29

A SHOCKING 'Glasgow' shop sign demands customers TAKE OFF face coverings before entering the store.

The shop, believed to be in Glasgow, has gone viral after a picture of the sign was posted online.

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The sign is thought to have been posted at a Glasgow shop
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The sign is thought to have been posted at a Glasgow shop

It comes just one day after the Scottish Government made face coverings mandatory in shops.

The "gross and terrifying" note to shoppers read: "No facemasks allowed in store.

"Lower your mask or go somewhere else.
Sturgeon says masks could be here to stay & urges Scots to 'get comfortable'

"Stop listening 2 your Gov't, they're dumbasses.

"This is the store polict for our employees safety.

"Please comply or go somewhere else."

The snap, uploaded to a Reddit thread titled 'Trashy', appears to show a bin in the background with the Glasgow City Council and People Make Glasgow signs.

The exact location of the shop is not yet known.

Social media users blasted the shocking sign as they questioned the reasoning behind the policy.

One said: "Gross and terrifying but I would rather they put a sign up that indicated they were stupid and dangerous than having to walk in to find out."

Another wrote: "Seems like an obvious reason to shut the place down honestly.

"Its clearly a danger to the public and should be treated as such. Their ignorance shouldn't be at the cost of our safety."

A third commented: "Did they reveal the logic used to explain how customers wearing masks is dangerous for employees?"

But one defended the shop's decision as they wrote: "I don’t mind to be honest. I wouldn’t want to give them my business. It’s their policy."

Another hit back: "Private property. They can make their own rules."
Coronavirus Scotland: Nicola Sturgeon deliberately chose not to reopen pubs on weekend day amid Covid-19 fears

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[DaveToo]

This business about "You don't wear a face mask to protect yourself, it's to protect others".

I'll bet anyone that if you poll 100 people wearing a face mask on the street, and ask them why they are wearing one,
90%+ will say they don't want to catch the virus and get sick.

People wear them for selfish reasons, not altruistic ones.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dave, what you say must be true, because what other reason can there be for wearing one while alone in a car?

[onawah]

Closer look--"Masks Don't Work"
https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work

(Lots of youtube videos also in the article)

"Science Says Healthy People Should Not Wear Masks
Email us important links you find
Click here for the page with the medical card https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/medical-condition-card

“How can a person be forced by any business or government entity to wear a mask (which affects the respiratory system) without having a physical exam by a licensed doctor who approves such an action?”
~ Peggy Hall

Science Says Healthy People Should Not Wear Masks
Masks reduce intake of oxygen, leading to carbon dioxide toxicity

Germs are trapped near your mouth and nose, increasing risk of infection

Wearing a mask causes you to touch your face more frequently

There is no scientific evidence that supports healthy people wearing masks

Masks obscure your facial features and impede normal social interaction

Masks make it hard for hearing-impaired people to understand you

Masks symbolize suppression of speech

MASKS DO NOT PREVENT SPREAD OF VIRUS
KEY FINDINGS:

(1) New England Journal of Medicine:
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection." LINK HERE https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

(2) CAL-OSHA Regulations:
”Cloth face coverings do not protect against COVD -19” LINK HERE https://dir.ca.gov/dosh/coronavirus/COVID-19-Infection-Prevention-in-Logistics.pdf

(3) California Department of Health:
"Face coverings may increase risk if users reduce their use of strong defenses."
"There is limited evidence to suggest that use of cloth face coverings by the public during a pandemic could help reduce disease transmission.” LINK HERE https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Face-Coverings-Guidance.aspx

(4) FDA - “Even a properly fitted N95 mask does not prevent illness or death” LINK HERE https://web.archive.org/web/20200516235249/https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks

(5) CDC — There is no scientific evidence for healthy people wearing masks. : Watch “CDC Mask Deception” OUUOq1ksiQQ

(6) Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock :
”There is no scientific evidence that masks are effective. If you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask.” LINK HERE https://www.cugmhp.org/five-on-friday/why-a-mask-is-not-just-a-mask/?fbclid=IwAR1_h_ykyuIOzQ9WqA_u_muupA8D8UwOgvnhlwcjoIw_CReHuKSPPmy2wC4

(7) Columbia University: Psychological Harms of Face Masks:
"Many young children burst into tears or recoil when someone wearing a mask approaches. By putting on masks, we take away information that makes it especially difficult for children to recognize others and read emotional signals, which is unsettling and disconcerting." LINK HERE https://www.cugmhp.org/five-on-friday/why-a-mask-is-not-just-a-mask/?fbclid=IwAR1_h_ykyuIOzQ9WqA_u_muupA8D8UwOgvnhlwcjoIw_CReHuKSPPmy2wC4

(8) US Surgeon General Jerome Adams:
”Masks are not effective in preventing the general public from catching coronavirus.”
LINK HERE https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160

(9) Dr. Anthony Fauci:
“People should not be walking around wearing masks. Masks do not provide the protection people think they do.” LINK HERE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOeVkg9P-R8

(10) WHO, Dr. Mike Ryan:
”There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly. LINK HERE https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

(11) US Department of Labor — OSHA:
”Oxygen deficient is any atmosphere that contains less than19.5%.” This happens when the oxygen is displaced by inert gas such as CARBON DIOXIDE and is the leading cause of FATALITIES.” LINK HERE https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/shipyard/shiprepair/confinedspace/oxygendeficient.html

[Jad]

Well now in Michigan it’s mandatory so I have no choice.

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[DaveToo]

Well now in Michigan it’s mandatory so I have no choice.



Wherever you are I would check the fine print of the regulation.
I am in Ontario and they have made face masks 'mandatory' at indoor commercial establishments.

When you read the fine print of the signs posted on the doors to enter the premises in Ontario
there are exemptions, in particular medical exemptions such as breathing difficulties, asthma etc.

If you don't push back, they will continue to push you around.

[Valerie Villars]

Our governor (Louisiana) just mandated face masks in the usual places (everywhere inside any establishment). What is more astounding is he said we are to wear face masks outside if we are around people we don't live with. Huh?

How in the world can you enforce that?

Do you know what it's like to wear a face mask in 98 degree heat with a heat index of 114 and high humidity? It feels like suffocation. It's so hot and uncomfortable that I don't even want to go to a store anymore.

America, Land of the Free. :HELP!:

[Mashika]

I do, i don't find any value on it, i know i can and most likely will get ill of that or a variation of the virus. I only do wear it so that other people feel safe and cool around me, it's just a perception thing but i don't even care anymore

If it helps someone feel a bit safe that's cool, and if i get ill i was going to get anyway, because no mask will prevent that for real

As far as politics go, i could not care less, i'm not part of any party anywhere in the world, yet i know that if the virus is as real as it has been made to be, and i get it, i will most likely die, little room for escaping death for me. Politics mean nothing at that point

But otherwise i could not care less, and i only wear the mask because i care a bit for other people and to me that's ok, they don't know much but what they have learned through TV or such, and i am a terrible person most times but i think i at least have to care for other people, for once?

[thepainterdoug]

the grille of your car collects bugs, dirt, and all sorts in the air. same with a mask. in my way of thinking, if wearing a mask while alone in a car, walking, running and not around people is protecting you from something, then that something is part of the atmosphere. and if it is, its in your house , your bedroom and everywhere.

its simply fear and paranoia. if the death rate from this was honestly10 % , then we would all be in a crisis. but less than 1% , and a dishonest count ?

i only wear a mask out of courtesy to others in a tight place, or when i have to based on store policy. but i dont believe its doing anything , for anyone

[happyuk]

Some reminders. It is fact that simple fabric masks allow air in around the sides, and lack non-woven, moisture-repelling layers to keep out droplets the size of Covid.

They impede about 2% of airflow, therefore making them 98% ineffective.

Orinary people do not, overall, have any access to properly made masks (the so-called N95) as used by frontline hospital doctors. Nor in fact do many (most?) GPs.

As one online wag of GP confided in me last week, "I don't wear one - they're pointless. It's like using a goal net to catch an anchovy".

I know people in the cloth trade, who know something about fabric weft and weave. The masks on general sale are at level 21/13....with only two layers. An airborne virus would sail through it.

This morning I was depressed to learn that the Boris Johnson Administration is heading for obligatory masks in shops.

In the US, Fauci is on the TV every other day saying Second Wave this and new surge that.

Just a link for those that still believe elected officials know what's best for your health@:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/nyc-allows-black-lives-matter-marches-despite-ban-on-large-events/

[onawah]

DESTROYING the mask narrative especially masks and children!
Tammy K. Herrema Clark
110,074 views•Premiered Jul 3, 2020
Stand Up Michigan
17.2K subscribers

"Tammy K. Herrema Clark , executive director of Stand Up Michigan DESTROYING the mask 😷 narrative especially masks and children!
Share this video and let’s empower people to STAND UP and throw away the masks!
Information is POWER
Join and support the movement
https://www.standupmichigan.com
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The short version:
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Well now in Michigan it’s mandatory so I have no choice.

[greybeard]

I was in GO the out door store today.
Staff and customers wearing masks -- even very small children-- I kept my mouth shut.
One door in another out.
I was not wearing a mask -- I said to the checkout lady on the way out that Im exempt from wearing a mask -- she said "They are most uncomfortable and they steam up my glasses" I just said Im lucky, I dont wear one. No point in saying more -- she has no choice -- wear a mask or no job.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

Catherine Austin Fitts:



The other day a policeman was trying to have an intelligent conversation with a protester who was being completely and utterly irrational. He kept trying. But he didn’t understand there was no point because she was not rational. And she was never going to be rational. And there was no way you could reach her on a rational, intellectual level. I mean you were dealing with somebody who'd been programmed. You weren’t talking to a person. You were talking to a program.

On the mask issue, you have to be prepared to manage interactions with other humans, but it's interactions with programs. And you're not necessarily talking to a person. You’re talking to an AI.


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The Facts on Masks with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Part I (1:02:31 min)

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The Facts on Masks with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Part II (1:14:00 min)

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Best Resources

From Dr. Tenpenny:

TO COME: Dr. Tenpenny’s Survey of Studies will be posted here when ready (https://home.solari.com/the-facts-on-masks-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny/).

The Psychological Manipulation of Universal Masking (https://www.facebook.com/notes/heather-leigh/the-psychological-manipulation-of-universal-masking/10159673405413146/) - [ADDED BELOW (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110761-Do-you-wear-a-face-mask&p=1366718&viewfull=1#post1366718)]

Update: Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review (https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/)

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy?fbclid=IwAR0wU7hoadU9ge411fZrIsHNKUZm3f_Ppfaq4efTDBtVXZh0Fr-8kUmzC4U)

Was the COVID-19 Test Meant to Detect a Virus? (https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/)

Dr. Jack Kruse Tweet (https://twitter.com/DrJackKruse/status/1280890809081085955)

Special Interview With Dr. Russell Blaylock on Face Masks And COVID-19 (https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-dq4at-e2915f?utm_campaign=au_share_ep&utm_medium=dlink&utm_source=au_share)

From Catherine:

LOCKDOWN LUNACY: the thinking person’s guide (https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy)

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy (https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/)

Facts about Covid-19 from Swiss Policy Research (https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/)

St. Louis Gun Owners (https://twitter.com/xshularx/status/1277398234055483393)

From Group seeking Global Mask Mandate:

The Science Behind #Masks4All (https://masks4all.co/facts/)

[RunningDeer]

A suggested resource from Catherine Austin Fitts & Dr. Tenpenny:


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The Psychological Manipulation of Universal Masking


by: HEATHER LEIGH




Yesterday a local doctor made a public statement that those of us who do not support mandatory universal masking can not claim to support medical freedom, and that when we refuse to submit to noninvasive “protections” such as face coverings, we lose all credibility and public respect. She refused to acknowledge my scientifically entrenched response to her statement, despite engaging (and many times belittling) almost every other person who responded to her question.

It's easy to shut down open dialogue when you rely solely on emotionally charged generalizations and ad hominem attacks, which is what she, and so many others, have attempted to do from the beginning of this Covid19 situation. By marginalizing those you disagree with and dismissing them as uncaring, negligent, and, as she put it, proponents of "oppositional behavior", you make it easy to ignore the fact that the scientific evidence and supporting data are simply not on your side. It’s a play straight from Saul Alinksy’s famous far left manifesto, “Rules for Radicals.”

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”

Instead of having a conversation about the reasons why someone may or may not support universal masking, we hear the following:

“You want old people to die!”

“You care more about money than you do about keeping people alive!”

“You are selfish! How do you call yourself a Christian?”

“You don’t support mandatory masking and social distancing? How do you sleep at night!?”

Despite leveling these attacks to anyone and everyone who disagree with them, most people, the good doctor included, don’t actually want to engage with those who offer a reasonable explanation for not supporting universal face coverings because, as I will lay out below, there are very valid reasons to oppose the practice. Acknowledging this fact undercuts the intended result of social and cultural intolerance directed towards any idea outside of the approved narrative.

Those of us who are not dutious to the current universal masking policies and recommendations do not, in fact, want grandma to die. Instead, we base our position on both the science behind these recommendations and the future implications of long term compliance.

For example, we know that cloth face coverings are completely ineffective in preventing viral transmission, and can actually increase your risk of bacterial respiratory infection. We know that viral particles that are exhaled gather on the OUTSIDE of masks instead of the inside, enhancing the risk of cross contamination and viral transmission, especially considering that viruses live drastically longer on cloth than they do on skin. We know that face coverings increase the instances that a person touches their face and/or covering due to readjustments, releasing increased moisture buildup and because face coverings increase nasal drainage which can be another mode of transmission all on its own.

We understand that cross contamination is a real danger when face coverings are not donned and doffed or laundered properly. We take into account the negative health effects of facial coverings on comorbidities (increases tachycardia, induces hypoxia, increases co2 reabsorption, may stimulate feelings of anxiety/claustrophobia due to inadequate gas exchange, ect).

The World Health Organization has spoken out against universal masking for these exact reasons, and OSHA has stated that only those employees deemed to be high risk or in high risk fields should be masked. The science is very clear that universal masking is contraindicated, yet those of us who choose to rely on science are demonized and cast to the fringes of society as public enemy number one.

Many of us are asking how, and more importantly, why, this happened in an otherwise seemingly reasonable society that respects an individual's right to bodily autonomy, especially considering that numerous studies have indicated that Covid19 has a similar if not slightly lower fatality rate than the seasonal flu and we don’t mask during flu season.

As a lover of history, I am reminded of a formula for social coercion used by and discussed at length in Adolph Hitler’s “Mein Kampf. Some of the key components of this formula were:

1. Keep the dogma simple and make social changes slowly over a period of time - only 1 or 2 points at a time.

2. Be forthright and powerfully direct. Speak only in telling or ordering mode.

3. Reduce concepts down to stereotypes which are black and white.

This is for your safety.
Masking and social distancing saves lives.
We are in this together
The virus is the common enemy
We must sacrifice to defeat the enemy


4. Speak to people’s emotions and stir them constantly.

Ohians will do the right thing.
If you don’t mask, you don’t love your neighbor.
The devil prowls the earth looking for bodies. So does this virus.
Congregating in a church setting is not Christian like behavior right now.
If you break the rules, you risk lives.


5. Use lots of repetition; repeat your points over and over again.

6. Forget scientific reasoning, balance or novelty.

A higher prevalence rate with a decreased mortality rate means the virus is more dangerous.
We don’t have that data, but we use that data to enforce emergency orders.


7. Focus solely on convincing people and creating zealots.

If you don’t mask, you don’t care about the health and safety of your neighbor.
People will mask because it’s the socially responsible thing to do.
If you see people breaking the rules, report them to the local police and health department.
Masking will become culturally acceptable, and not wearing a mask will be considered socially irresponsible.


8. Find slogans which can be used to drive the movement forward.

Don Your Mask, Don Your Cape.
Stay Home, Save Lives
In This Together Ohio
Let’s Save Lives Together
Stay Safe Ohio


I am in no way comparing Mike DeWine to Adolph Hiter, but rather highlighting the social coercion tactics that have been used to induce compliance and create social friction between the consenting and the non-consenting across the ages. It is a matter of psychological manipulation laced with fear that can convince a society to shake off their freedom and embrace a fallacy that leads to chains.

For many, a mask symbolizes unity with one another and a weapon against the universal covid19 enemy. But for those of us who understand that the face coverings do not protect us from this virus, we are left asking what their intended purpose could be.

Are they meant to be a visual trigger for a subconscious fear?
Are they meant to create an urgency and demand for a covid19 vaccine that would otherwise be rejected?
Are they meant to create an artificial barrier between a previously highly social society?


I don’t know. But what I do know is that they will not protect me or protect you from Covid19, and therefore they’re useless. And I simply can not comply with a recommendation or a mandate that doesn’t do what we’re being told it is intended to do, even if that stance turns the public ire on myself. And I hope that, before you demand that I “Don my mask, don my cape”, you contemplate exactly why you’re willing to stand on the other side of science to do so.

For some, it’s virtue signaling, but for many, they truly believe they are contributing to the greater good, and I commend you for that. I just hope that you remember that, I too, believe that I am fighting for the greater good when I stand in defiance of what I believe to be government overreach and manipulation by refusing to wear a mask. We can both do what we feel is right in this situation and I promise you that if I see you in the store wearing a face covering, I will simply smile at you in passing without ever questioning your moral compass or social obligation. I simply hope that you can do the same.

Sincerely,

A nurse who believes we can value life without sacrificing liberty


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"There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology." ~ Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda

"Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred." ~ Joseph Goebbels

"It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise." ~ Joseph Goebbels

"Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its roots in the street." ~ Joseph Goebbels

Article and Sources (https://www.facebook.com/notes/heather-leigh/the-psychological-manipulation-of-universal-masking/10159673405413146/)

[Floating]

Besides the MSM relentless badgering people to wear masks, the constant commercials showing mask wearing, and trying to guilt others into wearing masks.... It dawned on me today, this is an example of poor education. People just do NOT understand the size of the virus vs the mask. We are just not teaching science like we used to. IMHO.

I don't care how much I tell people that masks are useless, MSM trumps my words. We need Mayors, city councils, and Governors to understand the "flatten the curve" means. It doesn't mean NO ONE will die. People die all the time. http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239710 is always a good read.

[DaveToo]

Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the yearly worldwide flu pandemic, just as hundreds of thousands of people are dying now from this viral pandemic.

The flu virus we get each year during the flu pandemic is a 'novel' virus , just like the 'novel' coronavirus we have now during this pandemic.

Why don't we wear facemasks during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we lockdown the world during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we social distance during the deadly flu season?

Why doesn't the MSM promote fear in the public 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic when hundreds of thousands of people will be killed by the deadly virus worldwide?

Why doesn't the MSM give daily updates on flu cases and deaths, 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic?

[DeDukshyn]

Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the yearly worldwide flu pandemic, just as hundreds of thousands of people are dying now from this viral pandemic.

The flu virus we get each year during the flu pandemic is a 'novel' virus , just like the 'novel' coronavirus we have now during this pandemic.

Why don't we wear facemasks during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we lockdown the world during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we social distance during the deadly flu season?

Why doesn't the MSM promote fear in the public 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic when hundreds of thousands of people will be killed by the deadly virus worldwide?

Why doesn't the MSM give daily updates on flu cases and deaths, 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic?

The flu of '68. No one ever heard of it, no one remembers ... 'rona has literally nothing on it so far as far as deaths go ... but time will tell.

[DaveToo]

Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the yearly worldwide flu pandemic, just as hundreds of thousands of people are dying now from this viral pandemic.

The flu virus we get each year during the flu pandemic is a 'novel' virus , just like the 'novel' coronavirus we have now during this pandemic.

Why don't we wear facemasks during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we lockdown the world during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we social distance during the deadly flu season?

Why doesn't the MSM promote fear in the public 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic when hundreds of thousands of people will be killed by the deadly virus worldwide?

Why doesn't the MSM give daily updates on flu cases and deaths, 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic?

The flu of '68. No one ever heard of it, no one remembers ... 'rona has literally nothing on it so far as far as deaths go ... but time will tell.

Right and don't forget, the 'rona cases/death count needs to be reset to '0' in the fall, just as the cases/death count for the flu is each season.

A level playing field right?

The flu mutates each season and so will Covid. So back to '0', start a fresh.
NO CHEATING!

There's a darn good reason they named it Covid-19 (Covid-2019 - 2020).
When the new year arrives (in the fall) it will need to be called Covid-20 with fresh starting numbers (Covid-2020 - 2021).

[ClearWater]

Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the yearly worldwide flu pandemic, just as hundreds of thousands of people are dying now from this viral pandemic.

The flu virus we get each year during the flu pandemic is a 'novel' virus , just like the 'novel' coronavirus we have now during this pandemic.

Why don't we wear facemasks during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we lockdown the world during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we social distance during the deadly flu season?

Why doesn't the MSM promote fear in the public 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic when hundreds of thousands of people will be killed by the deadly virus worldwide?

Why doesn't the MSM give daily updates on flu cases and deaths, 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic?

You know, I've thought about bringing up this point when discussing masks with people. I haven't done it yet though because I have a feeling it will just help convince them that we should be social distancing and wearing masks to protect us all from the flu as well.

Apparently I'm feeling a bit cynical when it comes to this subject. :(

[DaveToo]

Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the yearly worldwide flu pandemic, just as hundreds of thousands of people are dying now from this viral pandemic.

The flu virus we get each year during the flu pandemic is a 'novel' virus , just like the 'novel' coronavirus we have now during this pandemic.

Why don't we wear facemasks during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we lockdown the world during the deadly flu season?

Why don't we social distance during the deadly flu season?

Why doesn't the MSM promote fear in the public 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic when hundreds of thousands of people will be killed by the deadly virus worldwide?

Why doesn't the MSM give daily updates on flu cases and deaths, 24/7, during the yearly flu pandemic?

You know, I've thought about bringing up this point when discussing masks with people. I haven't done it yet though because I have a feeling it will just help convince them that we should be social distancing and wearing masks to protect us all from the flu as well.

Apparently I'm feeling a bit cynical when it comes to this subject. :(

I would bring it up with them if you have a chance.
For you see, you are assuming that they enjoy wearing masks, social distancing and lockdowns.
My guess is very few do.

Try to reason with them.
Ask them why governments haven't mandated the same drastic measures being taken now for this virus,
for the flu virus.

Explain to them that both viruses kill hundreds of thousands of people and are both pandemics.

If they start to put on their thinking caps, they should begin to realize that we've gotten along very well thank you
for centuries, without taking drastic measures each year for the flu.

If the media doesn't publicize the hundreds of thousands who die each year from the flu (which they don't) then most of the public isn't even aware of it.

Yet the flu virus is passed from person to person at work, play, in airplanes, boats, trains, buses, metro trains etc.

But life continues and no one thinks twice about it.

[greybeard]

Was at the opticians today in the shopping mall
I was asked on the phone the usual pre visit corona questions-- I took the opportunity to say Iwas exempt.
The receptionist asked if Ihad a Dr letter said " The Dr said I did not need one"
Shesaid that fine I will put it on your file,
She also said -- clients are turning up with badges--I am exempt -- I said I had one ordered -- thats true

So I would advise check the legislation and see if you are exempt.
No one has the right to ask for medical reasons why you are exempt.
If in doubt check with your GP
The more people who go about their business without a mask the better.
No need to make a big deal about it.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

The more people who go about their business without a mask the better.
But always remember: separately and independent from the issues of personal freedom and individual rights — the purpose of the mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect others.

Many members posting here, after all this time, still assume that wearing a mask is to protect yourself.

It's not. That's why the personal freedom and individual rights issue is so hard to resolve.

[Chris Gilbert]

The more people who go about their business without a mask the better.
But always remember: separately and independent from the issues of personal freedom and individual rights — the purpose of the mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect others.

Many members posting here, after all this time, still assume that wearing a mask is to protect yourself.

It's not. That's why the personal freedom and individual rights issue is so hard to resolve.

Protecting others is the main reason I wear them at my hospital job, and whenever I go out. While I would acknowledge the range of debate over the effectiveness, I would much rather do something rather than nothing, and considering that I experience no ill effects from it, I really don't mind (the purell/hand sanitizer I have to use on my poor eczema hands is another story though, haha). I know some who have more issues with it due to their respiratory capacity, but even for them it's a simple matter of washing their hands then pulling the mask down for awhile to take a break when not next to anyone.

[greybeard]

The more people who go about their business without a mask the better.
But always remember: separately and independent from the issues of personal freedom and individual rights — the purpose of the mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect others.

Many members posting here, after all this time, still assume that wearing a mask is to protect yourself.

It's not. That's why the personal freedom and individual rights issue is so hard to resolve.

Protect people/others from what Bill?

The reason I ask is that top Professionals with a life time of experience are saying lockdown should not have happened, the immune system should have been left to deal with this.
I cross check with as many professional viewpoints as I can find -- many videos I have posted.
So if people ha been left to catch this, the herd immunity as its called would have taken care of this. Of course people would still have died -- thousands do from the flu every year.
As many have posted on this thread the masks are ineffective, thats professional opinion.
The immune system has thousands of years of memory at its disposal -- it is geared up to combat new threats as it has done for countless years.
The statistics have been that manipulated no true figure for the number of deaths is yet available. Experts are saying no worse that the seasonal flu which is deadly for some.
So wearing a mask to protect others may do that but weakens the immune system through not exposing people to this virus therefore they will not be so well-equipped to fight the next one.
I do suspect that the next one will be upped to get people to take the jab.
Fear fear fear.
Chris
Sorry for the delay in adding to the post.

[Czarek]

I'm struggling with this Bill. This leads to "mandatory" vaccination.



But always remember: separately and independent from the issues of personal freedom and individual rights — the purpose of the mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect others.

Many members posting here, after all this time, still assume that wearing a mask is to protect yourself.

It's not. That's why the personal freedom and individual rights issue is so hard to resolve.

[thepainterdoug]

just had a dispute with a friend on this. i understand that if sick etc. and even when we had simple standard colds and or flu in years pre covid, common sense would tell us to cover our mouths and sneeze into our shoulder and shirt sleeve

but driving in a car alone with a mask on windows up? walking, jogging ,working alone with no one in sight with a mask?
i go into a store, a crowded place and by store policy, i have to wear one and thats fine.

i played golf with a friend and he walked 18 holes with a mask on. I without. at the end we sat and had a beer right next to each other and he took his mask of while we spoke and relaxed. I DONT GET THIS? THE REASONING TO THIS?

to be glared at and pointed out as a cause of this virus spreading when perfectly healthy, no cough etc and out without a mask is B S.

according to the fear and direness associated to this pandemic, a hell of alot more people should have fallen and died,and way beyond the yearly influenza stats for these measures to be justified. Testing positive is not the measure. Its death rate is. But with pneumonia and influenza stats now being cooked into covid stats ,nothing adds up for me. just my observation and opinion to date. sure wish I could feel good about this topic, but I dont

[greybeard]

Maybe Im a bit testy at the moment and for that I apologise.
Here is why -- I go down town and I see all these people -- out doors or on their own in car wearing a mask
I see media articles like "Those not wearing masks are as bad as drunk drivers"
Its divide and conquer -- those good guys against those who are endangering life by not wearing a mask.

People just dont get it -- they are being conditioned to accept a rushed through vaccine by the same authority who gave the wildly over the top estimates of millions dying from this, Neil Ferguson the one who predicted the same with the swine flu -- a non event.

Look at it this way If I have the virus and I dont wear a mask but every one else is -- how can I affect them, assuming their mask does everything it is supposed to do
I think that thought was posted before. by Paula?

Our freedom that millions died for in two world wars has disappeared overnight, for what?
To scare the Sh## out of people -- to ruin businesses that have taken years to build, to ruin the economy.
Hitler would be laughing in his grave.
To make people dependent and say yes to New World Order, the Reset. -- to be obedient, to welcome a vaccine that may be deadly -- how can it be properly tested in months.?

They are so clever -- the logical reasons -- protect the NHS in UK -- do the right thing stay home, or else.
Well when we got the flu or common cold most people used their common sense and stayed home
Freedom of choice.

The fines for not wearing a mask without good reason are going to be astronomical, how can the police possibly cope with this?

So thats my rant a rare event -- but I care what happen to others particularly the young.

I have had a happy productive life -- born free and I have no intention of dying a slave to NWO.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

Look at it this way If I have the virus and I dont wear a mask but every one else is -- how can I affect them, assuming their mask does everything it is supposed to do
I think that thought was posted before. by Paula?

Yes, too many to count, as did a lot of other posters. I’ve shared the info on four threads because there’s been so much new info since 3-4 months ago. I’m winding down on it all. If people are interested in following the latest, they now have enough resources available to check.

Time for me to put focus elsewhere. Thank you All for your POVs, vids, & links. :happythumbsup:

♡

[Bill Ryan]

I'm struggling with this Bill. This leads to "mandatory" vaccination.
Maybe not. The most recent research suggests that (for some unknown reason) in many if not most cases, the antibodies don't seem to last more than a couple of months. That's why more and more people (gradually, but it's definitely a thing) are getting it twice. And maybe it won't stop there.

The direct analogy is that if you get a cold, the antibodies you develop don't prevent you from getting another cold a few months later.

So that means that no vaccine would ever work (which is why there's not a common cold vaccine)‚ and neither would there ever be any kind of "herd immunity".

So all that means that the ONLY chance of making the thing extinct is to bring the R0 <1. (That's virology-speak for each infected person infecting LESS than one other person, on average.) That means that it all dies out in time.

That in turn means that the only way of doing that is to minimize the spread from one person to others. All the rest follows.

As long as the R0 > 1 (even if it's just 1.1!), it'll just spread and spread and spread till everyone gets it. (And yes, you virus-deniers... this is a real thing. :P )

[Ernie Nemeth]

But Bill.

The only reason to wear a mask is
to slow the spread

not stop it, because the mask is not 100% effective - you'll eventually catch it anyway

that is why they talk of asymptomatic carriers being a threat - so there's no excuse not to wear one

and that is why they tell us the hospitals are crowded when most are empty - so we'll have a reason to slow the spread

lock down and mandatory mask wearing strips us of our last fundamental rights - in case any actually thought we were free

No. This has nothing to do with health. It is the agenda of the globalists who are right now riding the communist agenda of proletariat, 'peaceful', subversion. It is the standard pincer movement in the communist playbook. Apply pressure from above and below simultaneously. All the while sending out conflicting reports about the bug's latest gains. Concurrently running a violent subversive force through, this time, the left's humanitarian movement where we see the Soros NGOs, the ADL, BLM, and SJW running incursions throughout the urban centers of America. Again, straight out of the manual. This is to demoralize the enemy, to freeze them in their tracks, to confuse, to terrify, and have the enemy cowering in their boots unable to act. Then they strike at the infrastructure and will bring the USA to its knees - all there in the playbook, all been done many times in many countries for over 70 years now.

That is what mask wearing means to me - capitulation.

[Patient]

I'm struggling with this Bill. This leads to "mandatory" vaccination.
Maybe not. The most recent research suggests that (for some unknown reason) in many if not most cases, the antibodies don't seem to last more than a couple of months. That's why more and more people (gradually, but it's definitely a thing) are getting it twice. And maybe it won't stop there.

The direct analogy is that if you get a cold, the antibodies you develop don't prevent you from getting another cold a few months later.

So that means that no vaccine would ever work (which is why there's not a common cold vaccine)‚ and neither would there ever be any kind of "herd immunity".

So all that means that the ONLY chance of making the thing extinct is to bring the R0 <1. (That's virology-speak for each infected person infecting LESS than one other person, on average.) That means that it all dies out in time.

That in turn means that the only way of doing that is to minimize the spread from one person to others. All the rest follows.

As long as the R0 > 1 (even if it's just 1.1!), it'll just spread and spread and spread till everyone gets it. (And yes, you virus-deniers... this is a real thing. :P )

Yes, I would also like to think "maybe not" but an awful lot of money and effort has been spent on creating and injecting the vaccine. I doubt that Gates would just easily walk away from all of the money that he has pushed into people's hands to make it happen.

I think that most of the people posting against wearing masks are looking at the fact that getting everyone to wear a mask is part of the fear play and separating us all from each other.

I do not recall where I read this (most likely here on Avalon) that what they are doing to us is very similar to how you would bring a person into a cult. Separate them from their original routine, friends and family and take away their old identity as much as possible.

Another point, different people have different experiences within the mask wearing topic. If you have been on the receiving end of people yelling at you to wear a mask or denying you entry to a place over it then that might affect how you feel about this as opposed to being given the option to wear one. I pulled a mask an inch from my face to take a breathe and speak to my son - we were alone in the aisle of a store - and I was yelled at to not move it from my face or I would be asked to leave. They said - this is your first warning!

Seeing the public behave in this manner is scary because you can see that they are easily being led "by fear".

Everywhere I go now I am being told to wear a mask. So, every time I go out I am facing confrontations because I do not want to be forced into wearing a mask. Consequently, I do not want to go out, but I have to at times.

...and what is it with these people wearing a mask when they are alone in their car? Perhaps they should also be wearing a condom so they don't catch a venereal disease as well. Same principal.

[greybeard]

YouTube CENSORED: DOCTORS IN BLACK / PlanDemic[


I have posted this once before but it also belongs here
Dr Judy Milkovits renowned Aids professional.
A truly leading authority on Aids and vaccines

She was put in jail, no charge, gagged for 5 years, made bankrupt, has had her life threatened.
Came out about the damage that was done by F cant spell his name. Top advisor to Trump but being downplayed.
Responsible for millions of deaths according to Dr Judy Milkovits.
Masks are a tiny part of what we possibly face.

I would say this is a must watch -- its a professional video -- she talks about masks and all else related to loss of freedom.
Literally the human race is in danger due to vaccine planed and NWO.
She talks about the damage allready done by vaccines

If you never watch a video on corona etc again I would say watch this one -- full of facts -- not opinions.
Chris



https://www.bitchute.com/video/zU4jR4nkrSy3/

[DaveToo]

Look at it this way If I have the virus and I dont wear a mask but every one else is -- how can I affect them, assuming their mask does everything it is supposed to do
I think that thought was posted before. by Paula?

Ahh.. but you don't understand greybeard.
Masks are designed to be one-way barriers!

That is, they are designed to stop the virus from exiting,
but not designed to stop the virus from entering!

Whoever designed them was either extremely clever (from a government standpoint)
or extremely stupid (from a practical standpoint).

[Bill Ryan]

Look at it this way If I have the virus and I dont wear a mask but every one else is -- how can I affect them, assuming their mask does everything it is supposed to do
I think that thought was posted before. by Paula?

Ahh.. but you don't understand greybeard.
Masks are designed to be one-way barriers!

That is, they are designed to stop the virus from exiting,
but not designed to stop the virus from entering!

Whoever designed them was either extremely clever (from a government standpoint)
or extremely stupid (from a practical standpoint).

Nope, it's not a symmetrical situation.

If you're shedding the virus (and maybe simply don't know it, which if you're asymptomatic is entirely possible), and you're talking, singing, shouting, coughing or sneezing — that prevents the airborne microdroplets reaching others. It's not a perfect barrier, for sure, but it's much more effective than nothing at all.

(That's why your dentist will wear a mask when working on your teeth.... it's to protect YOU from THEM when you're potentially vulnerable.)

If the OTHER (uninfected) person has a mask, that helps as well, of course. But most of the preventative barrier-forming work is done by the filter that's closest to the source. Think about the physics, and you'll see it.

Here's the 7 minute video that explains it all. (But I bet most of the people reading this thread won't watch it... ideology beats science and logic every time! :P )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus

And I'll say this one more time. I'm not MIXING UP the ideology and the science. They're separate, independent, and arguably kind of opposed to one another. I'm just saying: understand the science before you make your personal value-based decisions. That's all.

:thumbsup:

[DaveToo]

If the OTHER (uninfected) person has a mask, that helps as well, of course. But most of the preventative barrier-forming work is done by the filter that's closest to the source. Think about the physics, and you'll see it.

If the logic from my previous post doesn't make any sense,
that they are claiming in essence we are using (one-way facemasks) how about this one?

This one should end all of the debate about facemasks ONCE AND FOR ALL.


We are being asked to believe that facemasks are STRONG enough
to stop the forceful expulsion of aerosols due to coughing and sneezing,
YET the facemasks are at the same time SO WEAK that they can't stop airborne particles drifting in the air from entering a mask!

Is that logical?

Put on your thinking caps.

That is what they are trying to make us believe.

If you believe that I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you... :clapping:

[Bill Ryan]

If the OTHER (uninfected) person has a mask, that helps as well, of course. But most of the preventative barrier-forming work is done by the filter that's closest to the source. Think about the physics, and you'll see it.

If the logic from my previous post doesn't make any sense,
that they are claiming in essence we are using (one-way facemasks) how about this one?

This one should end all of the debate about facemasks ONCE AND FOR ALL.


We are being asked to believe that facemasks are STRONG enough
to stop the forceful expulsion of aerosols due to coughing and sneezing,
YET the facemasks are at the same time SO WEAK that they can't stop airborne particles drifting in the air from entering a mask!

Is that logical?

Yes, it is. The force of the airborne droplets leaving a person's mouth is all massively reduced by the person's mask (if they have one). Then, in many cases, those droplets don't REACH any others nearby. (That's how come there's a social distancing recommendation.)

Without a mask, those droplets would all reach the other person's personal space. Do you see?

That's the logic behind the mask recommendations. And if everyone wears a mask, then that's the best one can do.

And I'll say this one FURTHER time. I absolutely totally 100% understand the ideological arguments against being compelled to wear a mask by some governmental authority. I get that. I'm a libertarian, too. :)

But for reasons that I've never fully understood, there's still a frequently held belief that masks are designed to protect you. They're not. They're to protect the other person from you, in case you might be shedding the virus — maybe without having any idea that's happening at all.

Maybe watch the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus)... it's only 7 minutes. It shows this all pretty clearly, with a video of the motion of the airborne droplets, etc etc etc.

The logical fallacy is to use an attempted scientific argument to support an ideological, value-based position. Those two don't fit together well. THAT's the problem we have here.

[DaveToo]

But for reasons that I've never fully understood, there's still a frequently held belief that masks are designed to protect you. They're not. They're to protect the other person from you, in case you might be shedding the virus — maybe without having any idea that's happening at all.




Bill this is the crux of the argument.

This is where I am asking you and others to think LOGICALLY.

You are saying emphatically that masks are not designed to protect you.

So let's examine their function carefully and logically.

Assumption 1: Masks do not protect the wearer.
Assumption 2: Masks protect 'the other person'.

Let's really simplify this and look at just two people.

Both Subject A and Subject B are wearing masks.

Subject A has COVID-19 (either symptomatic or asymptomatic), Subject B does NOT have COVID-19 (not symptomatic nor asymptomatic).


Subject A coughs or sneezes. Their mask allegedly holds back their potential aerosols, thereby protecting Subject B from getting sick.
So in this case, the mask was STRONG enough to stop the virus from getting out of the mask, even with a forceful cough or sneeze.
So far so good right?


Now let's take a case where virus particles are in the air, due to someone coughing or sneezing nearby.

Subject B, who is wearing their mask strangely is NOT protected from the virus !!!
That's what officials say (and Bill Ryan).

So the same facemask that is strong enough to stop virus particles from escaping the mask,
all of a sudden becomes weak and won't protect Subject B from catching the virus!!!

Is that logical?

[Bill Ryan]

Is that logical?

Watch the video. It doesn't seem you've done that yet. You can see how the aerosol process operates.

I'm not trying to persuade (or compel!) you, or anyone, to wear a mask. I'm not Big Brother. :) You have to make your own responsible personal decision.

And I'm not going to get into any fights with anyone about this. That's not my intention: no purpose is served, nothing is usually achieved (in fact, it's almost always the opposite), and there's no ego in this for me that has to be proved right before an audience.

So I doubt if I'll say much more here. I actually have some other issues to deal with right now, unconnected with any of this. (Really.)

But do please understand — you're still trying to deploy logic and science, as best you can, to convince yourself and others that your ideological position is sound.

Your ideological position CAN or MIGHT be sound, irrespective of whether masks do anything or not. That's a totally different discussion. You can't force the two together.

And as I said before, that's what the real problem is. (And others on this thread are confusing this, as well, over and over again.)

There are actually four positions one can take. All of them can be argued.


Masks are ineffective, but I'm willing to wear one.
Masks are ineffective, and I'm not willing to wear one.
Masks are effective, and I'm willing to wear one.
Masks are effective, but I'm not willing to wear one.

That should really be the topic of this thread... and a poll might be interesting. My position is #3, but it's a moot point as masks are mandatory in Ecuador, enforced with fines. You can't walk down the street without one, let alone go into any store of any kind. So for me, in purely practical terms, there's really no personal decision to make.

[DaveToo]

There are actually four positions one can take. All of them can be argued.


Masks are ineffective, but I'm willing to wear one.
Masks are ineffective, and I'm not willing to wear one.
Masks are effective, and I'm willing to wear one.
Masks are effective, but I'm not willing to wear one.

That should really be the topic of this thread... and a poll might be interesting. My position is #3, but it's a moot point as masks are mandatory in Ecuador, enforced with fines. You can't walk down the street without one, let alone go into any store of any kind. So for me, in purely practical terms, there's really no personal decision to make.

First of all Bill, I would request that you respond to the logic of my last post.
Do you find it logical or illogical?

If you find it illogical, please tell me and others here, where exactly you find it to be illogical?

As far as videos are concerned...
You can throw dozens of videos my way and I can in return throw dozens of videos your way. That won't be productive.

What will be productive, is to engage in a logical discussion about the matter. I can't help that, because my brain is wired like that.

As for your four positions are concerned. Of course I agree, there are four possible positions to take.
But you are trying to deflect away from what I wrote in my last post.

If you could please answer if you find my last post to be logical or illogical, I'd appreciate it.

It would tie into the thread I made recently titled: "What's wrong with me..."

Because if you can find something wrong with the logic of my last post, I will know for sure
that there is something wrong with me.

[chrifri]

I tried to watch some videos of Martenson some years ago and I never was able to finish any of those videos.

Because of these past videos, which to me gave me the feeling that this person is not genuine, I did not feel the need to watch any of the Martenson videos Bill has recommend for months.
Another reason why I did not feel like listening to Martenson is the reason that I was of the opinion that he uses the official numbers and that did not make sense to me, as in my opinion, the data out of China most probably was not correct and further, when Italy started to report it was proven early that these numbers were not correct neither (the same goes for Spain and many other countries).
Although I did not like Martenson in the past and I did not feel like listening to his recent videos, I took now the time to listen to the last video of him, as Bill clearly stated the this video is science and does prove that it makes sense to wear masks.

For the record: I am not a trained medical expert and I am clearly against wearing masks. Not only from a ideological point of view but as well from a scientifically point of view at least based on information from specialist I came across.

To the video and to the science Martenson mentions.
To point 1. Agreed. However, what I have learned over the past months and I believe what I have learned is correct, I'd like to mention the following. As known, not all viruses are the same and therefore to not have the same characteristics such as weight or how they do float in the air the etc. If the virus would be a virus with a relative heavy weight and therefore would drop within a short distance (for example in a distance that is less than the recommended one) than wearing a mask would not be necessary in the case that the minimum distance would be kept at all times. One of the videos of a doctor I watched was precisely arguing that the Virus known back in March, was a heavy virus and therefore would fall within a very short distance. I do not know if that information was correct or not but the doctor from Argentina claimed to be a specialist. Although I am aware that the virus must have changed and the new viruses or the mutated viruses might be lighter and float longer distances, and although from a scientifically point of view Martenson argument no 1 might be correct, I still only can agree to a certain extend.
To point 2: from a scientific point of view, I can agree. However, this argument only works if the masks are used the same way as medical staff uses them (or should use them). Medical staff that has to use masks were trained to use them properly, change mask frequently, destroy the masks etc. . They were trained not to touch the mask while the public is not trained. My guess is, that a very high percentage of those that use masks either do touch the masks several times and/or do not change masks frequently etc..Those that touch the mask several times most probably do not or cannot wash their hands immediately once they take off their mask and most probably will touch their mouth, eyes and nose before washing the hands. As viruses stick to the masks and accumulate, touching the mask with bare hands and touching mouth, eyes and/or nose with these hands before washing them will probably add more viruses to your body than it would have without a mask. Of course this has nothing to do with protecting others but nevertheless it is an increase of the probability to get the virus.
Point 3: This point is the point that confirmed to me that the opinion I had about Martesen was not wrong. This point is not scientific at all, but in fact totally superficial. Why? Well Dr. Martensen claims that an opinion in the New York Journal is valid science while what nurses and doctors say is not science at all (interesting that he mentions nurses before he mentions doctors. Is it because he is such a Gentlemen?). In other words, an opinion in a newspaper (of whom?, with what credentials?) that suits his argument, is valid science but all others (even specialist that might have proven otherwise) are not. That's not scientific argumentation it is simple sales speech and nothing else.
As a last point, I would like to mention, that I believe that the specialists that claim that due to the use of masks, pulmonary health problems will increase considerably over the coming months, are correct.

[DeDukshyn]

But Bill.

The only reason to wear a mask is
to slow the spread

not stop it, because the mask is not 100% effective - you'll eventually catch it anyway

that is why they talk of asymptomatic carriers being a threat - so there's no excuse not to wear one

and that is why they tell us the hospitals are crowded when most are empty - so we'll have a reason to slow the spread
...


A reasonable point ... if this is like the common cold, or will end up like the common cold and cannot be stopped at all, as purported, then trying to slow the spread is a blatant exercise in futility --- who benefits from a slow spread, vs a spread that will quickly leave those with a strong immune system, and those asymptomatic? Cui bono?

If this is like the common cold and we'll never get rid of it, then it being relegated to cold-like status in those it doesn't end up killing or who are fully asymptomatic, then wouldn't the world be better off getting to that point? I mean ... if it is an inevitability, should we aid the elite in the destruction of everything to fight it?

Who benefits from dragging this out as slowly and as long as possible, and who will suffer? Last I heard 100's of millions of humans will die as a direct result of our actions to COVID19 (not from the virus), but they're all from Africa so who cares ... right? Covid19 has hardly taken any toll in Africa, yet, while they starve ... The entire continent of Africa has a fraction of COVID deaths vs the USA (might change but this is where its at).

That's a valid question ... How long will those countries be able to survive a lack of food distribution, and hoarding, that the west has shown to be top priorities, causing the imbalance?

I am aware though that the response in a person is almost directly linked to the subjective vs globally objective perspective ...

My ego says : "wear a mask! be safe! be safe for others! you might be a dangerous thing! Wear it! you might hurt people! You're killing old people you ****ing loser!!" -- yet another part of me whispers "Let go of your programs and your fears for they do not serve you, now is the time and it's more important than ever ..."

I am not trying to discourage anyone -- if you feel safer with a mask, then the alleviation of that fear is worth it ... but understand that my perspective is that I don't have that fear to begin with ... to alleviate.

[TomKat]

But for reasons that I've never fully understood, there's still a frequently held belief that masks are designed to protect you. They're not. They're to protect the other person from you, in case you might be shedding the virus — maybe without having any idea that's happening at all.




Bill this is the crux of the argument.

This is where I am asking you and others to think LOGICALLY.

You are saying emphatically that masks are not designed to protect you.

So let's examine their function carefully and logically.

Assumption 1: Masks do not protect the wearer.
Assumption 2: Masks protect 'the other person'.

Let's really simplify this and look at just two people.

Both Subject A and Subject B are wearing masks.

Subject A has COVID-19 (either symptomatic or asymptomatic), Subject B does NOT have COVID-19 (not symptomatic nor asymptomatic).


Subject A coughs or sneezes. Their mask allegedly holds back their potential aerosols, thereby protecting Subject B from getting sick.
So in this case, the mask was STRONG enough to stop the virus from getting out of the mask, even with a forceful cough or sneeze.
So far so good right?


Now let's take a case where virus particles are in the air, due to someone coughing or sneezing nearby.

Subject B, who is wearing their mask strangely is NOT protected from the virus !!!
That's what officials say (and Bill Ryan).

So the same facemask that is strong enough to stop virus particles from escaping the mask,
all of a sudden becomes weak and won't protect Subject B from catching the virus!!!

Is that logical?

Seems logical to me. Mask can stop virus-containing moisture from escaping the mask. But mask cannot block viruses not within moisture droplets.

[DaveToo]

But for reasons that I've never fully understood, there's still a frequently held belief that masks are designed to protect you. They're not. They're to protect the other person from you, in case you might be shedding the virus — maybe without having any idea that's happening at all.






Bill this is the crux of the argument.

This is where I am asking you and others to think LOGICALLY.

You are saying emphatically that masks are not designed to protect you.

So let's examine their function carefully and logically.

Assumption 1: Masks do not protect the wearer.
Assumption 2: Masks protect 'the other person'.

Let's really simplify this and look at just two people.

Both Subject A and Subject B are wearing masks.

Subject A has COVID-19 (either symptomatic or asymptomatic), Subject B does NOT have COVID-19 (not symptomatic nor asymptomatic).


Subject A coughs or sneezes. Their mask allegedly holds back their potential aerosols, thereby protecting Subject B from getting sick.
So in this case, the mask was STRONG enough to stop the virus from getting out of the mask, even with a forceful cough or sneeze.
So far so good right?


Now let's take a case where virus particles are in the air, due to someone coughing or sneezing nearby.

Subject B, who is wearing their mask strangely is NOT protected from the virus !!!
That's what officials say (and Bill Ryan).

So the same facemask that is strong enough to stop virus particles from escaping the mask,
all of a sudden becomes weak and won't protect Subject B from catching the virus!!!

Is that logical?

Seems logical to me. Mask can stop virus-containing moisture from escaping the mask. But mask cannot block viruses not within moisture droplets.



The size of holes in masks compared to the size of virus particles is like trying to stop grains of salt from going through hockey net.

So in addition to the moisture droplets you've got a ton of virus particles floating in the air as well.
Watch any of the dozens of Youtube videos showing someone sneezing while wearing a mask.
They are very enlightening.

[ClearWater]

Watch any of the dozens of Youtube videos showing someone sneezing while wearing a mask.
They are very enlightening.

FYI, the video that Bill posted and suggested watching earlier actually acknowledges and directly addresses this. It may not sway your opinion, but it's worth watching.

[greybeard]

Botttom line for me is strengthen the immune system -- loads of advice on other threads
The Irish female Professor -- a true expert said that many lives would have been saved if the authorities had given fair warning of this virus coming and advised the use of Vitamin D --zinc and vitamin c -- also the tablet that was temporarily down graded by the Lancet, then reinstated -- its safe, has been used for 70 years.

If you use a crutch (vaccine --flu jab) then you weaken the immune systems natural facility.
Masks weaken the immune system --loads of information on that--isolation weakens the immune system, Lack of exercise and fresh air weakens .
the immune system.
Fear greatly weakens the immune system

Masks increase the amount of carbon dioxide breathed in -- the blood supply needs as much natural oxygen as it can get--- the list of ailments caused by a compromise blood system is long.

So when you release people from lockdown with weakened immune systems dont be surprised if there is a massive spike --that covered in the Doctors in Black video which has quite a few clips of professional Dr's stating the Truth.

Basically if lockdown had not happened fewer would have died that is the over whelming view of the Dr's who have dared to come out.

People are hung up on death and that was used to great advantage to promote fear by vaccine promoters..
Vaccinate the world and all will be well. (Bill Gates quote)

We can talk about infection rate etc but that is of no consequence because the faster people get infected and recover the faster the Virus is done -- no more susceptible people

People will die regardless -- that happens every flu- virus season, however fatalities can be reduced with sensible precautions
Its not rocket science.
Just do as we have always done and take the vitamins suggested

Dont take the word of one professional check the many coming forward.
And yet again I suggest watching all the way to the end.
This video --almost all you need to know is in it.
Chris


https://www.bitchute.com/video/zU4jR4nkrSy3/

[greybeard]

Swedish Doctor: T-cell immunity and the truth about Covid-19 in Sweden
She speaks of herd immunity


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQpg62Kflg&t=10s


Freddie Sayers talks to Swedish doctor Soo Aleman about Covid-19.

We hear a lot about Sweden’s experience of Covid-19, with the New York Times declaring this week that that country is now “the world’s cautionary tale.”

But what’s it really like on the ground?

Dr Soo Aleman has been both on the front lines of the Covid-19 epidemic as a senior physician at Stockholm’s leading Karolinska hospital, and on the research side, as Assistant Professor at the Karolinska Institute and one of a group that last week published new data around T-cell immunity.

We talked to her about the findings of that study, and how it matches what she is seeing in her hospital.

Link to the Karolinska Institute T Cell study:

https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-...


Key quotes:

“Intensive care units are getting empty, the wards are getting empty, we are really seeing a decrease — and that despite that people are really loosening up. The beaches are crowded, social distancing is not kept very well ... but still the numbers are really decreasing. That means that something else is happening – we are actually getting closer to herd immunity. I can’t really see another reason.”

“I can’t say if the Swedish approach was right or wrong – I think we can say that in one or two years when we are looking back. You have to look at the mortality over the whole period.”

“I don’t think that we have more new cases, I think we are just detecting more cases”

“We found that if you have a mild case you can be negative for antibodies afterwards … in those almost all of them had strong T-cell activity. This study says that there are cases that you can have a strong T-cell response even though you have not had antibodies, meaning that you have encountered the virus and built up immunity.”

[onawah]

Win Keech's reply when I inquired about the price of his new invention:
"Win Keech Yes Natalie, I have worked hard to keep the price to a minimum and the effectiveness to a maximum. They are specifically cheaper to use in longterm use than disposible masks and even conventional room air filtration. Systems. There are no throw away filters, which saves huge costs and prevents the eco disaster of throw away mask pollution. They are intended for general use, but are specifically designed to aid sufferers of COPD, asthma and hay fever... But are also designed to fight viral, fungal and bacterial disease spread when used. We are committed to making them as available as possible to those that need them. Yes, there is a cost, but that is a simple 3d fact of the cost of manufacturing and distribution. I would love to set up a charity to provide them for no charge, but right now I am fully occupied with producing them. They will be available for purchase and even day rental soon. If you need to use masks for more than a few weeks, it is much cheaper to use an Ayrheart... By design. I know, because I designed them and it is me driving this."

Win Keech is a well-known, successful inventor in the UK.
See: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/winston-donald-keech
( I believe Bill Ryan is familiar with his work.)
I learned about him and his work when Simon Parkes was a member of Avalon, as they were good friends.
He is soon to be making available his new invention which he says will help to solve the mask problem. The following is from his Facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/win.keech?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoxMDE1ODU1ODUzNDkxNzI0Nl8xMDE1ODU2MDQwNzAwNzI0Ng%3D%3D
I will post updates on this thread as they become available.
"Win Keech
July 15 at 2:02 PM
"Facemasks as filters are not effective against viruses.. If they were you wouldn't be able to breath at all through the filter meshes, the mesh size would have to be so small. How do I know? After more than a year of research and development, I invented the solution to these problems. I have just completed a further four months of production development and I should be manufacturing them very shortly, The Ayrheart range of personal air purifiers/sterilisers... No mask, particulate filtered down to virus particle size and an added stream of safe antiseptic vapour to protect your face, eyes and respiratory tract. Named after the amazing Amelia Earhart... They should be flying out of manufacturing very soon. I will start sharing details in the coming days - I have developed this very quietly uptil now. Creating the solutions, not the problems, Win x "

[greybeard]

Tell Them To Shove It – Or It Will Just Get Worse And Worse – David Icke


https://davidicke.com/2020/07/17/tell-them-to-shove-it-or-it-will-just-get-worse-and-worse-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast-please-circulate-to-beat-censorship/

[avid]

bad gateway!!! N/a, ah well...

[greybeard]

The Truth About Masks | COVID-19 Facts From The Frontline

Tony Robbins speaks to Senator Scott Jensen, a family physician from Minnesota, to uncover the truth about masks. After initially discouraging the public to wear masks, the CDC now recommends the use of cloth face coverings to slow the spread of coronavirus. But are they really effective? According to Senator Jensen, the answer is no.

This interview is part of the “Facts From the Frontlines” episode of #TheTonyRobbinsPodcast, where Tony uncovers the truth about coronavirus with a 7-person panel of highly qualified researchers, an experienced epidemiologist, a Nobel Laureate, and M.D.s testing and treating patients on the frontlines. Together, they reveal the evidence-based research that has come to light in the last two months.

This is one of the most important interviews Tony has ever conducted. It reminds us to stand guard at the door of our mind, practice discernment when determining trustworthy sources, and think critically in order to stay flexible and maintain the ability to pivot in light of new information – especially when lives depend on it.

To hear the full interview, go here: https://www.tonyrobbins.com/podcasts/...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b0AhqvAVw

[greybeard]

Thankfully the video above is short and to the point.
Anyone who still maintains that we should wear masks --- feel free
Chris

[Rawhide68]

Greaybeard, you are everywere do you ever sleep:clapping: ?

It was quite shocking to see a Chinese Swedish women doctor speak of this matter, from "Karolinska Institutet". where did you dig it up from? (never mind).

We don't were any masks anywhere, have never done so, and we are not dying in covid more than other countrys, is my short answer.

I'll be glad if anyone has any questions about masks

Maskwearing has to do with this: starts at 7:00 in the vid. But I recomend you watch all.

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" 'Reality' is just a word, and you shoudn't use it without quotation marks around it anyway."

- Joseph Campbell

[TomKat]

Laura Ingraham puts paid to the mask controversy. There is no "viral shedding" with confirmed covid patients, so masks are irrelevant:

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[greybeard]

Mask Wearers are Collaborators Who Could Destroy Us All

International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, explains why mask wearing rules are illogical, unscientific and dangerous, and why those who insist on wearing masks are ignorant and are threatening our lives and our future.
For more unbiased information, please visit http:www.vernoncoleman.com The transcripts of the videos that YouTube banned are also on the website.
Thank you for all your encouragement and support.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYk6nfnx_84

Vernon sure has some sense of humour in the way he puts across very serious information.
I hope he is wrong but unfortunately, I feel in the main he is right.
Anyone who thinks the Government is doing the right thing by forcing people to wear masks -- is agreeing to freedom of choice being eroded in a big way.

Next may be the knock on your door telling you someone in the pub you visited has tested positive, so you and your family and everyone you have "bumped" into since your pub outing will have to self isolate -- again.
Contact tracing has only just begun.
Its happening already.

Its been mentioned I post a lot on this subject.
Well the media bombard you with miss information very moment of the day.
Information that is posted helps to alleviate/counter, the constant brain washing in the media.
Im safe and secure through spiritual practise and age -- if this body dies tomorrow, thats ok

I post because I am genuinely concerned for the young people -- no other reason.

Chris
Ps towards the end he is quite "political"
Im not into politics.
Ch

[DaveToo]

I don't think anyone has posted this here yet.
It's quite significant.

Coronavirus: Georgia governor voids mandatory mask orders for 15 cities, counties
https://globalnews.ca/news/7182923/coronavirus-georgia-masks/

[Justjane]

Masks interfere with facial recognition technology so there’s that 💁🏻‍♀️

Seems kind of illogical to imagine that the controllers would want us to do something that would directly work against one of their methods of control.

[Gwin Ru]

There is something that's barely entertained in this "debate" and that's the "Placebo Effect" and its corollary, the "Hypochondria Effect":




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1790281240/henry-makow_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/HenryMakow) Henry Makow (https://twitter.com/HenryMakow) @HenryMakow

(https://twitter.com/HenryMakow)Reddit conspiracy--Came across this excerpt from Think and Grow Rich. Written in 1937.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdSf5FhWsAAgFN2?format=jpg&name=small (https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1284827603019403267/photo/1)

2:29 PM · Jul 19, 2020·Now... what do you think that people who fancy growing rich on the sale of vaccines are gonna do...

As far as I am concerned, I would say that masks are semi-effective/ineffective and I am willing to wear one so as not to scare sh!tless anyone under the yoke of fear.

[pyrangello]

As the media continues to create fear every morning and night on the network tv news for 5 minutes each morning and night and then segway to entertainment afterwards for the rest of their dog and pony show. Its really appalling. Ex. Showing a refrigerator trailer for the dead saying multiple trailers have been dispatched. They show 1 trailer parked who knows where. Or the statement that 50 icu units are almost at capacity. So ok did you know in the state of Texas with 29 million people they only have 1500 icu beds?. I went over to my parents house the other day, my mom who is 81 was horrified I didn't have a mask on. She was actually historical so I left. She watches the news constantly.

So the numbers of confirmed positive cases are going up but where is the data on how many that are being tested everyday vs positive or negative results vs back ijn March of this year? Where is the data of the people who have just the regular flu where in 2017/18. 71,000 people died in America of the regular flu. I don't wear a mask, half of my customers that come in do which most are older and I respect that , the other half the younger do not. My buddy who is a surgeon gets the cdc reports, been a good friend of mine for years. He's done some 30,000 surgeries, he's had Mersa before and a bunch of other health issues thru the years . We golfed a few weeks ago and he told me 86% OF ALL OF THE COVID DEATHS WERE PEOPLE THE AGE OF 84 YEARS OLD OR OLDER. He also said that this virus dies in 1 minute of the sun and even in artificial high uv light . My buddy did not wear a mask the entire time he was here.
In fact he said the opposite , we need to build herd immunity by more of us getting this.

Now let's move to the positive numbers and cases, oh the numberrs and the money, I have another friend who is a COVID nurse, she doesn't wear a mask unless it's in a store now because of our state mandate. So hear are 3 stories of positive results of COVID and how the hospitals get 13 to 16k for a positive diagnoses. 1) had a customer come in the other day, his father just died recently of a heart attack, hospital listed as covid,family wanted an open casket funeral, took hospital to court to change cause of death to heart attack to have an open funeral casket. NOPE, court wouldn't overturn .2) spoke with anothe r buddy,his daughter is a nurse, she said tests are coming back positive because many have the antibodies now because they already had this virus 3) yesterday I spoke with a friend in Alabama, she was telling me last week her sisters husbands mom went to the hospital because she was feeling dizzy. Hospital made them wait outside in their car in the sun for 3 hours and never set foot in the hospital . His mom started feeling better after 3 hours so they left. Guess what the next day the hospital called and said the mom tested positive for covid,she never was in the hospital,follow the money baby.

My friend who is a nurse said to me this isn't about a virus anymore, it's about control. For any elderly who feel they should wear a mask, sure why not. But for all of us on the younger side of 80 and are healthy, time to build herd immunity.

On a final note, back in May in the country of Tanzania testing was done on 3 specimens submitted for COVID. A paw paw vegetable, a papaya fruit, and a goat , all came back positive, President of Tanzania kicked the who out of the country. It should be your own preference when wearing a mask.

[Sarah Rainsong]

The whole politicization of masks here in America is diversionary.

There is a long, global history of mask-wearing during epidemics which has never resulted in some loss of liberty or global occult ritual, and which has anecdotal evidence of helping to curb the spread. Why some countries (America--I'm looking at you!) have to turn it into a fight is indicative of deeper issues.

Mask wearing is not the hill to die on, nor is it some rallying cry. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats [establishment] care about mask-wearing. They only care about staying in control. Turning mask-wearing into a fight is taking part in the furthering of division in America, when we should be uniting (against the ESTABLISHMENT which includes GOP and DNC!)

The issue with Kemp (the Georgia governor) is just a part of that. Since before he took office, he has done nothing but push that division further. I don't remember him being like this before his run for governor. From what I do remember, he was an honest, decent guy. But since then, his integrity has gone down the drain. He's made it clear that he's only interested in moving up the power chain. In other words, he just a d@mn politician. And so he politicizes mask wearing.

He "strongly encourages" people to wear mask...and then sues Atlanta when they mandate it. That is a political temper tantrum. It is juvenile and a form of bullying, much like the people out there that want to turn wearing a mask into a political statement.

If you're a healthy person, wearing a mask is not going to endanger you. It's not encroaching on your freedom. It's not going to give you some kind of CO2 poisoning. It's not forcing you to be part of a black magic ritual. And it does NOT create fear!

Pandemics are fearful all in their own power. Facing that fact does not make it more or less so. With regards to fear, all that wearing a mask does is make people not ignore the actual health crisis going on. Ignoring the elephant in the room does not make it go away. Ignoring what's going on while your hospitals fill up and your nursing homes turn to morgues is not going to stop the pandemic.

I can hear the argument now: "But masks won't stop the pandemic either!" Fine. Don't wear a mask...if you're not required. But don't turn it into a fight.

The bottom line is this: There are way too many other more important issues that actually need to be addressed. Turning mask-wearing into a fight makes it a diversion from the real issues--like people losing their jobs and their livelihoods! That diversionary tactic is exactly what people are contributing to when they constantly push the "don't wear a mask" narrative. That is what politicians like Kemp are doing--distracting people into fighting over something unimportant.

If everyone in the US populace united on the wearing of a mask, that would send a very frightening symbol to TPTB.

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[ClearWater]

Masks interfere with facial recognition technology so there’s that 💁🏻‍♀️

Seems kind of illogical to imagine that the controllers would want us to do something that would directly work against one of their methods of control.

I'm definitely not vouching for this, but I saw a video recently where the person claimed that their 'contacts' say this is being used as a way to test some advanced facial recognition technology.

[greybeard]

Peter Hitchens: Mandatory mask wearing is more superstition than science
Columnist Peter Hitchens has argued against compulsory face masks, calling for “relaxed” train carriages and shops for those who do not wish to wear one.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Mike Graham, he said mandatory mask wearing was “more superstition than science”.

Boris Johnson has urged the public to wear face coverings in shops, with an announcement on whether they will be compulsory in England due in the coming days.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZL9JgnQkmw

The overall subject of masks is not a fight.

Its about truth in the context of mandatory enforcement.
Mandatory can not be justified in the weight of scientific evidence -- both of the harm masks do and the fact that it will not stop the transmission of a virus
If if you can breath in and out through a mask can it be believed that you cant breath in and breath out a virus?

Its not about being right its about giving information from professionals in an ever evolving situation.

Its important to get as much information from as many sources as possible in order to make a personal decision.
Not that there is choice at the moment and that is alarming.

Choice is what is important.
If people have made up their mind no need to visit this thread .
However, many non-members visit here and they are entitled to get the best information available.

We are fighting a war for freedom.
Chris

[Billy Vasiliadis]

I KNOW already that there is a schism between those who have faith (in the body, the SPIRIT, nature and SELF) and those who have no faith. I am keeping a low profile and clinging solidly to my SPIRIT ROPE. It is not "out there". It is in me and is a real life line. I will wear masks when I must and believe that no matter WHAT I am SAFE.

NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED TO TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD DO. They all are only good for telling themselves where their limits bound them (and that is the trick for us to grok). All around we see the shattering of common ideas by way of EXPERT obfuscations.

I couldn't agree more. It is disheartening to see people afraid and distrustful of themselves, each other and nature. This kind of mentality and perspective cannot be good for health and well being. Even mainstream medicine acknowledges the mind body connection. If your mind is in danger mode and the environment is perceived as a threat, what kind of effect will this honestly have on the body.

There does seem to be an agenda to drive people apart and to make people distrustful of their own bodies. You can see this accelerating now in regards the mask issue. People who are not wearing a mask will be seen in the most suspicious of lights and perhaps even have the police called on them. Some will say this is justified but it seems to me this is being orchestrated.

I'm with you Delight. I'm going to affirm the validity of the body, nature and self as much as I am able. Contrary to what we are bombarded with, the body is not completely at the mercy of outside forces which could swoop in at any minute and tear it down. There is a beautiful order and spontaneity to it and to the natural world that we inhabit.

Even if having to sometimes slap a mask on, I'll be keeping my focus on the validity and worth of self and other self. I won't be seeing other humans or the air I breathe as a threat.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Let's try some science then.

We have a bug 1 micron in size. It supposedly leaves the body in exhaled droplets of moisture. But of course it also leaves the body not in droplets. The droplets can get caught in the mask, but not all because the mask is not a perfect seal, and couldn't be or you'd suffocate. And the viral load not suspended in droplets are not stopped at all because the mask only filters to 10 microns. So you have a leaky barrier that does not stop the virus not suspended in droplets. This means that everyone wearing a mask, if infected, are shedding virus particles regardless of the status of their mask wearing situation.

Every person walks around in a cloud of their own making, a biological cloud of various sorts of bugs and debris. This cannot be stopped without an invasive disinfecting that only lasts minutes before the cloud begins to form again. This cloud is arguably well over six feet in diameter. With the ineffective mask that at the least is not fool-proof, everyone within a few meters of another share their clouds...

There is no stopping this. Since it is like the flu in that it cannot be vectored with a vaccine, because it is the flu renamed, the only sensible thing to do is reach herd immunity, maybe not quickly but as part of the overall plan for remediation. Not lock down until a vaccine is developed that cannot work because it is a corona-virus that mutates too quickly for a vaccine to be effective. Not to huddle in isolation until it is contained and dies out on its own not being able to spread further.

I haven't seen my grand kids in six months - or my daughter. That right there is reason enough to be militant about any attempt to abrogate what should be my inviolable human right to support and encourage my family and life in general. Take that away and what do you have? Nothing worth fighting for and a life that is not your own.

Not to mention that as a sixty plus year old with no savings no pension no retirement I have to work to the death or find myself living under a bridge. This should have been my time to save a few dollars so I'd have something. Instead it will be a disaster.

So for a pandemic that has a infection rate of 15% and a death rate of .04 to .3 this is an unacceptable reaction to a mild flu season.

People die all the time. Our mainstream media just didn't find it news worthy in the past. It now fits the agenda to do the reporting. For the first time people are getting a feeling for the numbers that die every year. Since they were not aware of these numbers before it seems horrendous, scary, and threatening. But no, it is just the wheel of life forever turning...same as it's always done - others years far worse than this one.

[Antagenet]

My medical friend tells me there will never be herd immunity.
That this is not a pandemic that the covid is ENDEMIC.
Permanent. Like the common cold.

And for what it's worth, I only wear a mask when I am told I have to, like at costco.

[greybeard]

Sky News
Coronavirus: Anti-mask activists protest against order to wear face coverings
Ivor Bennett, news reporter
Sky News2
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-anti-mask-activists-protest-against-order-wear-174600447.html

They say they are not "anti-masks" but "pro-choice", and their choice is not to wear a mask.

Come Friday, it will be mandatory to wear a face mask or covering in shops and supermarkets in England as part of public health policy to tackle COVID-19. Those who do not could be fined up to £100.

But the 100 or so people who gathered in Hyde Park on Sunday view the coronavirus legislation as a crackdown on our civil liberties.

None wore masks and there was no attempt to maintain social distancing. Instead people hugged for photos in front of placards willing others to "spread love not fear".

It was organised by a group called Keep Britain Free. There were pensioners, families, and babies. They huddled together to hear speakers citing research they claimed was proof of the ineffectiveness of masks in preventing the spread of COVID-19.

It was largely good-tempered, but there were some who saw us as a target, since we were wearing masks. Two women with a baby accused me of pushing a government agenda designed to maintain order and keep the public living in fear.

Clare Wills-Harrison, one of the organisers, said the demonstrators were "campaigning for the return of our rights and liberties".

"The imposition of masks sixteen weeks after the pandemic is absolutely ludicrous and does not make scientific sense," she said, adding: "We're talking about many other issues, not just masks, it's not just that."

The government believes the use of face masks in shops will give people confidence to spend money. These protesters insist the opposite is true.

They also say the World Health Organisation is wrong in its belief that face masks could provide a barrier for potentially infectious droplets.

"There's many conflicting scientific views about the efficacy of masks," Ms Wills-Harrison claimed.

"The World Health Organisation have changed their minds several times, as have the CDC," she added, referencing the US Centre for Disease Control.

The World Health Organisation, and subsequently public health authorities around the world, changed its guidance regarding the wearing of face masks in June, doing so in line with developing scientific evidence, it said.

The UK government followed suit, stating that although the evidence around wearing a face covering suggests it "does not protect you" from coronavirus, it could "provide some protection for others you come into close contact with".

The idea is that if we were all to wear face masks we would protect each other and thus ourselves.

The evidence of coverings preventing the spread of infection from one person to another is "marginal but positive", according to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies that is advising the government.

Those who share the demonstrators' views are adamant they are in the right. But judging by the numbers in Hyde Park on Sunday, they are also very much in the minority.

So there is no sign yet of a culture war in Britain around the use of face masks.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1284526872823554048?s=20

1284526872823554048

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/18/are-anti-mask-masks-legal/



here is a new form of protests sweeping across the country as individuals put on anti-Mask masks to defy mandatory mask rules. The anti-masks are made of thin material, mesh or even crochet and are advertised as having no protective qualities for Covid-19. The question is whether they are legal. They appear to be so.

A popular video shows a man wearing a mesh mask to a Tampa Walmart and saying “It was almost like not wearing a mask at all. Nobody cared. That’s because it’s not about safety. It’s all about compliance.”

Most laws like Alabama‘s only refer to a “covering” not a mask with protective qualities:
....

A mesh mask does cover the face and, since scarves can be used, there is no effort to indicate a threshold protective level or dimension. There are vast differences between masks and stores are unlikely to want to police the sufficiency of masks, particularly if the states do not specify minimal standards. Even creative work on the noun “cover” does not help much. Oxford defines it as simply “a thing that is put over or on another thing.” A permeable material still covers the mouth and nose. It just does little else.

Twitter is replete with such anti-masks with such disclaimers as “Stylish, breathable and don’t protect you from a darn thing! Masks required? No problem! Breath free while making a statement.”

[mountain_jim]

< removed the duplicate once moved here >

[One]

"Masks have a certain level of effectiveness, N95s being much higher than normal masks. I am willing to wear one out of courtesy to people concerned about COVID, and so that I can enter supermarkets and other public places without getting arrested, although I would prefer to take the additional risk of getting Covid than restrict my breathing and separate myself from society and nature. There is much I object to about the reaction to COVID in the media and political arenas, BUT not wearing a mask is not a sensible way to protest this."

For interest, according to this video there have been many studies done on the effectiveness of n95s. They all found no statistical difference in the spread of influenza when wearing or not wearing n95 masks. Apologies if posted before, but I wasn't aware of the studies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8

[Frank V]

https://i.ibb.co/4wqdHLK/maskon.jpg

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Star Tsar]

CheckTheEvidence

Are You Going To Wear A Mask To Protect Yourself, Or Others?

Published 19th July 2020

Please consider these public statement carefully. Consider why they have been contradicted and ignored, in a relatively short space of time.

Consider the evidence - including the WHO's own advice!

Then consider your rights and your freedoms carefully.

https://cvpandemicinvestigation.com/

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[DaveToo]

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1284526872823554048?s=20

1284526872823554048

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/18/are-anti-mask-masks-legal/





here is a new form of protests sweeping across the country as individuals put on anti-Mask masks to defy mandatory mask rules. The anti-masks are made of thin material, mesh or even crochet and are advertised as having no protective qualities for Covid-19. The question is whether they are legal. They appear to be so.

A popular video shows a man wearing a mesh mask to a Tampa Walmart and saying “It was almost like not wearing a mask at all. Nobody cared. That’s because it’s not about safety. It’s all about compliance.”

Most laws like Alabama‘s only refer to a “covering” not a mask with protective qualities:
....

A mesh mask does cover the face and, since scarves can be used, there is no effort to indicate a threshold protective level or dimension. There are vast differences between masks and stores are unlikely to want to police the sufficiency of masks, particularly if the states do not specify minimal standards. Even creative work on the noun “cover” does not help much. Oxford defines it as simply “a thing that is put over or on another thing.” A permeable material still covers the mouth and nose. It just does little else.

Twitter is replete with such anti-masks with such disclaimers as “Stylish, breathable and don’t protect you from a darn thing! Masks required? No problem! Breath free while making a statement.”


Of course they are legal.
I talked about making cheesecloth masks a while back, in a previous post.

The very fact that there are NO STANDARDS for facemasks (never have been and never will be)
makes the mandating of them a complete and utter farce.

If you don your custom facemask and someone comes up to you in a commercial setting and questions its efficacy, just tell them:

"I've been wearing these for months now and they work like a charm!"

[Star Tsar]

Evening Standard

Protesters March On Hyde Park Refusing To Wear Face Coverings Ahead Of New Coronavirus Shop Rules

Published 19th July 2020

Hundreds of protesters gathered in Hyde Park this afternoon to demonstrate against the wearing of face masks.

Face masks will become compulsory in shops from July 24 - and anyone who fails to wear one can be hit with a £100 fine.

Activists brandished signs reading "I will not be masked, tested, tracked" and "no mask" as they gathered for the 'Keep Britain Free' march today.

The group claim the government acted "illegally" by putting the country into lockdown and are opposed to a Covid-19 vaccination.

Read more:
Coronavirus face masks could be used by terrorists to hide their identity, says SAS-trained security expert
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12165833/coronavirus-face-masks-terrorists-hide-identity-sas-warning/

Anti-mask protesters & armed militia demonstrate outside Ohio statehouse calling coverings ‘propaganda’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12166101/anti-mask-protesters-armed-militia-ohio-statehouse-pandemic/

Gymgoers will NOT need to wear masks as gyms and fitness clubs prepare to open for first time since lockdown
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12163984/gymgoers-will-not-wear-masks-gyms-open-lockdown/

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[ExomatrixTV]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43923
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[ExomatrixTV]

Live MASK TEST Shocks Viewers (Video Deleted by Youtube)


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Source (https://www.bitchute.com/video/k8IowDeMR6kO/)

[O Donna]

In my entire life never have I seen something so blatantly orchestrated across the world as this COVID stuff has gone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

[TargeT]

i voted ineffective and i am willing to wear one, because i have to wear one only because food store owners demand i do in order to get food.

same here, it's sad that enforcement is "pass the buck" shifted to business owners & not the actual sources... it's a very messed up system and I still do not understand the legal authority for threatening and even closing businesses.

[Patient]

Although there might be some good arguments for wearing a mask at this time, I have a strong opinion against them.

They are a tool of TPTB to help them to keep up a level of fear.

Why is it becoming mandatory now? Would it not have made more sense to have this be in effect in January? February? March?

The mask was not mandatory because they were creating fear with the virus news itself, while allowing it to spread. Now that there are less cases being reported they are enforcing the mask.

The same arguments that are being made in favor of wearing a mask will be used to promote the vaccine.

Will you get the vaccine to help stop the spread to other people? Will you accept the damage that the vaccine might cause? Do you want to be chipped?

For me, saying "No" to masks whenever possible is the first step to saying "No" to the vaccine.

[happyuk]

I see that governor Andrew Cuomo is demanding that Trump make mask wearing mandatory throughout the country lest he can blame Trump for more deaths. He is teaming up with Robert de Niro in this propaganda project. This double whammy of moralizing virtue signalling by a politician and a media celebrity is likely to have the opposite effect.

The level of indifference to human suffering by elected officials & medical bureaucrats may be proportionate to their level of outrage when disobeyed and disbelieved. You are the one best suited to spend your own money, make your own decisions and live your own life; not elected officials and certainly not actors.

But I'd like to make the following important point:

Adult victims of early childhood sexual abuse do not like physical contact covering the mouth or presses into the throat area (breathing). Coerced into silence, this can be a traumatizing reinvigoration of memory. This may include the wearing of a mask "for the good of others."

[One]

Masks interfere with facial recognition technology so there’s that 💁🏻‍♀️

Seems kind of illogical to imagine that the controllers would want us to do something that would directly work against one of their methods of control.

People are very easy to identify even when they wear a mask :thumbsup:

[greybeard]

The late Dr David Hawkins said.
[B]"You have an allotted time --you cant die before that, though the way that you die is not fixed so why worry?"[/B ]

Now I believe that.
The enlightened have access to knowledge that we dont have.
So wear mask dont wear mask really should be a matter of choice.
Im not against people wearing masks if they are doing so from free will choice.
My context is.
Two World Wars tried to take away our freedom of choice and over night we have lost it.
I can still remember the after affects of the last war --rationing etc.
So for me not wearing a mask is a stand for freedom that many of our parents died for.
Its not about --do they work or dont they really -- its against the justification of mandatory wearing one.
Even if they work in some circumstances -- there is no justification for enforced wearing.
You breath in you breath out --holes in the mask to allow this are not small enough to prevent the movement of a virus.

Chris

[ExomatrixTV]

Simple question:

If they succeed in the mass "beta testing" of how many are obedient (becoming wilful slaves) ... do you really think it stops there?

... or is this just the beginning of endless more insane rules you can be "fined" for using mass A.I. 5G surveillance system to "micromanage" everybody aka Global Governance towards Agenda2030 "Global Reset".

If successful (even with provable mass deceptions & lies) who is really to blame?

[ExomatrixTV]

⚠️ What is worse in 2020?


Corrupt Authorities selling fear based lies serving #Agenda2030
W.H.O. & CDC dictating how to lie! ... (Fauci & Bill Gates)
Mass Censorship for anyone questioning the lies on big social media platforms!
Mainstream Media complicit in repeating the lies 24/7 and leaving it unchallenged!
Police enforcing unconstitutional rules/laws based on believed lies created under false pretenses artificial created fake crisis/emergencies
People policing each-other ... Snitches ... Cancel Culture etc.
People believing the lies (blind trust in authorities).
Authorities using rigged computer models to justify tyrannical measures puppet-politicians blindly trusting them or use it as an excuse.
Bogus & Corrupt "Fact Checkers" falsely justifying the lies.
People who act like they believe the fear based lies.
People knowing it is all a lie but do nothing about it.


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[TomKat]

To all those who voted:

"Masks are ineffective, but I'm willing to wear one. "

I would urge you to read the fine print of the laws in your area. I would wager that in most cases
there are exemptions.

Masks are mandatory in my province but there are fine print exemptions.
I take advantage of them, and not one store clerk has challenged me when I told them I have a medical condition.

Don't be wimps! Have courage and start using your voice.

Like this guy?

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[ExomatrixTV]

🌐 tinyurl.com/WhyFaceMasksDontWork (http://tinyurl.com/WhyFaceMasksDontWork)

[Deneon]

There's only one place in The Netherlands where masks are mandatory, and that's public transport. Since I haven't used public transport since this whole thing started, I have no worn a mask once.

I live in The Hague, which is the 3rd of 4th largest city here, and I rarely see anyone wearing a mask outside of public transport. Occasionally I see someone wearing one when grocery shopping, but even in shopping malls or city centers.. almost nobody wears one. Also, amongst my friends and family it is not an issue that comes up at all. I'm surprised that it's such a 'thing' on this forum to be honest.

I'm not sure if it's just me and my friends that don't really notice any of the controversy, or if it's just that 'no-nonsense dutch behaviour' that nobody here seems all that concerned about it. I don't get any looks from people who wear one, and I don't think twice if I meet someone who does wear one.

I'd be curious about the experience of other dutch people on this forum. Do you feel like there's a controversy about the masks here?

[ExomatrixTV]

Tammy K. Herrema Clark DESTROYING the mask 😷 narrative especially masks and children!
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[TomKat]

I live in The Hague, which is the 3rd of 4th largest city here, and I rarely see anyone wearing a mask outside of public transport. Occasionally I see someone wearing one when grocery shopping, but even in shopping malls or city centers.. almost nobody wears one. Also, amongst my friends and family it is not an issue that comes up at all. I'm surprised that it's such a 'thing' on this forum to be honest.

In North America masks have become mandatory in virtually all the major cities. The virus started petering out in summer, with a danger of the economy returning to normal before the US presidential election, so masks have become the price we pay for "normal." In the fall, the virus will return in full force, then masks might become a permanent fixture assuming Biden wins the US presidency.

[ExomatrixTV]

You cannot catch a Virus! Masks, CV19 60606 Vax - Dr. Andrew Kaufman & RN Kate Shemirani
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[ExomatrixTV]

Wear a mask? Vax up next!
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[Bill Ryan]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston. Most of it is about smallpox. What it does, how it does it, and the billions of $$$ spent on bioweapons research in several countries.

People can most certainly "catch" it and die from it, and have been catching it and dying from it (pretty horribly, too) for thousands of years. That's why the British gave Native Americans smallpox-infected blankets as a 'gift' to kill as many of them as possible. (Most people reading this may know about that.)


The Demon in the Freezer
http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf (http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf)

And do read his other book, also. This one's about Ebola. Even more horrific, but not quite so dangerous as a potential global pandemic, since it usually kills people before they can get on a plane and spread it round the world. (But 2014 might have been a close call.)

Crisis in the Red Zone
http://projectavalon.net/CRISIS_IN_THE_RED_ZONE_Richard_Preston.pdf (http://projectavalon.net/CRISIS_IN_THE_RED_ZONE_Richard_Preston.pdf)

The two books are embedded below. The second one was one of the most graphic (and well-written!) books I've ever read about anything at all, making anything by Stephen King seems like a bedtime story in comparison. I honestly had to take it a few pages at a time, with long breaks. It was tough to read.

Yes, viruses are real. If anyone here believes and suggests otherwise, they're in danger of just making a statement of their own lack of knowledge and understanding of science, world affairs, and recorded history.

http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/CRISIS_IN_THE_RED_ZONE_Richard_Preston.pdf

[greybeard]

Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers attends anti-mask protest in Nottingham
Newsflareyesterday

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-corbyns-brother-piers-attends-130000348.html
There is a very short video on the clip.
Chris

Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers Corbyn travelled to Nottingham, central England on Sunday (July 19) to attend a protest against the order to wear face coverings. Over a dozen people attended the rally and took turns speaking to the crowd. The protesters also demonstrated against vaccinations and 5G. Speaking on camera, Piers Corbyn said: "We have got to organise through this summer to prevent a second lockdown." Piers was joined by Jeffery Wyatts who was arrested alongside Piers in May in Hyde Park, London for partaking in an anti-lockdown demonstration.

[greybeard]

Viruses are real but wearing a face mask is not proven to protect you from getting it or spreading it
The majority of professionals who have had u tube videos deleted or not as the case might be are not in denial and say no worse than seasonal flu.
Its now proven in the UK at least that the death rate was greatly exaggerated by some statistics where if you had the virus months ago and died of anything at all it was recorded as a virus death. Thats fact accepted by the Government.
Yet they continue to muzzle the population with masks -- WHY!!!!

Serious after effects from the virus could be attributed to what has been experienced after nasal testing with very long swabs,
Saliva which is used for DNA testing would have done.
Please disregard the last part of the video which I wish I could delete.
Chris
DO NOT GET TESTED OR RISK PERMANENT DAMAGE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlFNhuR1jII

Full explained in part of a video I posted

[greybeard]

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Masks are total desecration of our Human Rights!

We now have more infringements of our Human Rights to fight against with the announcement this week that in England from 24th July mask wearing in shops will be mandatory! This will be punishable by fines of £100 for not following the dictate! This is based on fake so-called 'science' claiming that it prevents the spread of the alleged 'virus' when the REAL science has proven masks are very harmful to health.

This follows the introduction of mandatory masks in shops in Scotland last week and masks will soon be mandatory in Wales on public transport. This means that masks will be mantatory on public transport throughout the UK in addition to shops in England and Scotland.

As well as being harmful to health, masks are associated with slavery and have no place in a Democracy, which the UK currently no longer is. The same goes for the rest of the world at the present.

We will be fighting in the Courts against ALL 'covid-19' / 'coronavirus' measures, laws, rules, regulations, dictates, advice, guidance, etc. On masks, 'lockdowns', 'social distancing', 'track and trace' etc. and we will demand an immediate ban on testing. This will be for all four countries of the UK as we are ALL suffering and we have ALL had enough!

WE WILL ALSO BE FIGHTING THIS OUTRAGE WORLD WIDE TOGETHER WITH OUR FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD - ANNOUNCEMENT COMING SOON ON THIS!

OUR 'LEADERS' NEED TO KNOW THAT WE, THE PEOPLE, WILL NOT TOLERATE THE DESECRATION OF OUR RIGHTS, FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ANY LONGER BASED ON THEIR LIES AND DECEPTION!

And
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/judicial-review

[Delight]

I still have not heard of a person hospitalized and dramatically ill who had a covid test. I have heard second hand of some who had a mild illness and positive test. I live in a state where people I know are actually enraged we do not have a mandatory mask order. Strangely they all hate Trump and think I should vote for a demented misogynist just because he is Democrat AND wear a mask. One friend wore her mask in my yard so she must be wearing it a lot.

I now feel I cannot talk to these friends. I see myself as one of those who is being slowly surrounded by "true believers" who are not "like" they used to be?

I don't have any feeling for Trump. I have no feeling about a danger form the virus. I am mystified by the people I actually know who are SO SURE people who are "resistant to the message of danger" (regarding trump or a virus OR masks or whatnot) are the problem.

This is all becoming so disheartening. An acquaintance on facebook had posted this from another person Marla Frees (a life coach). What is disheartening to me is that people are conflating concerns about masks with intentions to "murder". people are suggesting refusal to wear masks should result in disenfranchisement from health care.


In training for emergency management program, I learned of a situation where people refused to evacuate their homes in the path of the storm. Public Safety employees were dispatched to go door-to-door and for those who would not leave once urged personally, face-to-face, they were to sign a document that said they understood that there was an evacuation ordered and that they were staying in their home despite the best of urging and that public safety would not be dispatched to their home if they called 9-1-1 during or after the storm and emergency. On that piece of paper they were also to put the name and phone number of next of kin, to be notified after the storm should the person be found dead.
If we were to treat in kind, those people who refuse to wear a mask during the pandemic, then they should sign a document that legally relieves the public health and safety community of any responsibility for the health and well being of that individual, should they become sick – they would be denied a bed or ventilator in a medical facility. Should they die, the costs incurred would be the responsibility of their estate and family – and not that of the government.
And finally, if that non-mask wearing person was determined through contact tracing, to have infected another and caused medical bills and/or death to said person or persons, then the non-masked person would be charged with premeditated murder (first degree) and suffer the penalties of their careless actions.
Now, where I live, the government hands out free non-surgical masks. What is the cost of wearing a mask? What is the cost of not wearing a mask?

People who have set themselves out as leaders of "how to live" are not at all concerned that the mask scenario is LITERALLY FULL OF HOLES when it comes to protection from a virus.

Covid has been linked to SO MANY VARIOUS symptoms that almost anyone could "be ill" with issues that suggest a covid presentation... so it is presumed clinically a set of symptoms came form covid FIRST.

Tests have false positives and negatives (even assuming they do measure a covid virus) and asymptomatic carriers is a problematic concept epidemiologically.

AND how can one prove that a "real" infection (not just being ill from another cause) came when NOT wearing the mask.

SO, IMO it is transparent that wearing a mask cannot be a 100% safe guard and NOT wearing a mask a proven threat. SO< i now see that overall, the speaking out against masks is the issue and the refusal IS the threat and people are coming up with ways to make sure people are afraid to speak out and protest... all with the help of the life coaches and the social leaders.

In all cases where there is a social revolution, misery and persecution form the crowd of true believers is all that can make it work. Those who will hide their beliefs and not protest are compeletly understandable. This is the way it has always been. Can this change? I don't want to be persecuted.

[anandacate]

I found this article posted July 19, 2020, by Dr. Mercola to be very definitive for me and difficult to refute by any rational, scientific mind without an agenda. The link below is the full article which contains a video interview with Denis Rancourt, Ph.D., a former professor of physics.

Dr. Rancourt is a researcher with the Ontario Civil Liberties Association in Canada. He’s held that volunteer position since 2014, which has given him the opportunity to dig into scientific issues that impact civil rights. He also did postdoctoral work in chemistry.

I highly recommend the article and video, which at 1:21:37 is rather long. However, the article summarizes it all and also contains a link to download the video transcript.

Conclusive Proof — Masks Do Not Inhibit Viral Spread (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/07/19/are-face-masks-effective.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20200719Z1&mid=DM600307&rid=920096036)

Story at-a-glance


Not a single randomized controlled trial with verified outcome has been able to detect a statistically significant advantage of wearing a mask versus not wearing a mask, when it comes to preventing infectious viral illness
If there were any significant advantage to wearing a mask to reduce infection risk to either the wearer or others in the vicinity, then it would have been detected in at least one of these trials, yet there's no sign of such a benefit
There is no evidence that masks are of any utility for preventing infection by either stopping the aerosol particles from coming out, or from going in. You're not helping the people around you by wearing a mask, and you're not helping yourself avoid the disease by wearing a mask
Infectious viral respiratory diseases primarily spread via very fine aerosol particles that are in suspension in the air. Any mask that allows you to breathe therefore allows for transmission of aerosolized viruses
All-cause mortality data are not affected by reporting bias. A detailed study of the current data of all-cause mortality shows the all-cause mortality this past winter was no different, statistically, from previous decades. COVID-19 is not a killer disease, and this pandemic has not brought anything out of the ordinary in terms of death toll

[marielle]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston....


I have read "Demon in the Freezer" and I remain unconvinced. Many of those who "caught" the small pox disease in the outbreak described in the book were first inoculated with a vaccine, in some cases, multiple times!

I'm not sure what the truth is but I'm going to keep researching. I feel deep in my heart that we are not being told the truth to keep the fear level artificially high.

[Bill Ryan]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston....


I have read "Demon in the Freezer" and I remain unconvinced. Many of those who "caught" the small pox disease in the outbreak described in the book were first inoculated with a vaccine, in some cases, multiple times!

Smallpox was widespread in the world, and greatly feared, long before any vaccines were ever developed. (In fact, trying to find a remedy for smallpox was how vaccines were discovered.)

It was systematic "ring vaccination", i.e. vaccinating non-infected people in a "firebreak ring" encircling the hot zone of infection, that finally eradicated it. (Except for its continued storage "for research purposes" in highly secure bioweapons labs. Bioweapons don't work as placebos!)

[Constance]

I still have not heard of a person hospitalized and dramatically ill who had a covid test. I have heard second hand of some who had a mild illness and positive test. I live in a state where people I know are actually enraged we do not have a mandatory mask order. Strangely they all hate Trump and think I should vote for a demented misogynist just because he is Democrat AND wear a mask. One friend wore her mask in my yard so she must be wearing it a lot.

I now feel I cannot talk to these friends. I see myself as one of those who is being slowly surrounded by "true believers" who are not "like" they used to be?

I don't have any feeling for Trump. I have no feeling about a danger form the virus. I am mystified by the people I actually know who are SO SURE people who are "resistant to the message of danger" (regarding trump or a virus OR masks or whatnot) are the problem.

This is all becoming so disheartening. An acquaintance on facebook had posted this from another person Marla Frees (a life coach). What is disheartening to me is that people are conflating concerns about masks with intentions to "murder". people are suggesting refusal to wear masks should result in disenfranchisement from health care.


In training for emergency management program, I learned of a situation where people refused to evacuate their homes in the path of the storm. Public Safety employees were dispatched to go door-to-door and for those who would not leave once urged personally, face-to-face, they were to sign a document that said they understood that there was an evacuation ordered and that they were staying in their home despite the best of urging and that public safety would not be dispatched to their home if they called 9-1-1 during or after the storm and emergency. On that piece of paper they were also to put the name and phone number of next of kin, to be notified after the storm should the person be found dead.
If we were to treat in kind, those people who refuse to wear a mask during the pandemic, then they should sign a document that legally relieves the public health and safety community of any responsibility for the health and well being of that individual, should they become sick – they would be denied a bed or ventilator in a medical facility. Should they die, the costs incurred would be the responsibility of their estate and family – and not that of the government.
And finally, if that non-mask wearing person was determined through contact tracing, to have infected another and caused medical bills and/or death to said person or persons, then the non-masked person would be charged with premeditated murder (first degree) and suffer the penalties of their careless actions.
Now, where I live, the government hands out free non-surgical masks. What is the cost of wearing a mask? What is the cost of not wearing a mask?

People who have set themselves out as leaders of "how to live" are not at all concerned that the mask scenario is LITERALLY FULL OF HOLES when it comes to protection from a virus.

Covid has been linked to SO MANY VARIOUS symptoms that almost anyone could "be ill" with issues that suggest a covid presentation... so it is presumed clinically a set of symptoms came form covid FIRST.

Tests have false positives and negatives (even assuming they do measure a covid virus) and asymptomatic carriers is a problematic concept epidemiologically.

AND how can one prove that a "real" infection (not just being ill from another cause) came when NOT wearing the mask.

SO, IMO it is transparent that wearing a mask cannot be a 100% safe guard and NOT wearing a mask a proven threat. SO< i now see that overall, the speaking out against masks is the issue and the refusal IS the threat and people are coming up with ways to make sure people are afraid to speak out and protest... all with the help of the life coaches and the social leaders.

In all cases where there is a social revolution, misery and persecution form the crowd of true believers is all that can make it work. Those who will hide their beliefs and not protest are compeletly understandable. This is the way it has always been. Can this change? I don't want to be persecuted.

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[greybeard]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston....


I have read "Demon in the Freezer" and I remain unconvinced. Many of those who "caught" the small pox disease in the outbreak described in the book were first inoculated with a vaccine, in some cases, multiple times!

Smallpox was widespread in the world, and greatly feared, long before any vaccines were ever developed. (In fact, trying to find a remedy for smallpox was how vaccines were discovered.)

It was systematic "ring vaccination", i.e. vaccinating non-infected people in a "firebreak ring" encircling the hot zone of infection, that finally eradicated it. (Except for its continued storage "for research purposes" in highly secure bioweapons labs. Bioweapons don't work as placebos!)

With respect The Irish Professor whos name I cant remember and other leading authorities said that everything has a "lifespan" including smallpox and others. It was dying out before the vaccine came into being.
It takes that long to develop a vaccine that by the time it is produced most who are going to die from the disease are gone and those with some immunity have recovered.

This is a real expert on vaccines Dr Andrew Wakefield
He discovered the dangers of certain vaccines
Cost him his livelihood.

If you google him, he is still officially castigated -- yet there is overwhelming evidence - including whistle blower testimony that he is correct.
The banned Vaxxed Film came about because of his experiences.
(Its in Avalon Library)
To my mind banning documentaries give them credibility

https://londonreal.tv/andrew-wakefield-1986-the-act-what-the-government-dont-want-you-to-know-about-mandatory-vaccines/

You can download the clip just about the measles vaccine from the site.
and any other clip of interest.
Chris
Here with that clip.


https://londonreal2.wetransfer.com/downloads/8a8234fcfda6e893ebbe038e9e85973a20200702101646/e5edf0

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1285246570540208128?s=20

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[Delight]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston....


I have read "Demon in the Freezer" and I remain unconvinced. Many of those who "caught" the small pox disease in the outbreak described in the book were first inoculated with a vaccine, in some cases, multiple times!

Smallpox was widespread in the world, and greatly feared, long before any vaccines were ever developed. (In fact, trying to find a remedy for smallpox was how vaccines were discovered.)

It was systematic "ring vaccination", i.e. vaccinating non-infected people in a "firebreak ring" encircling the hot zone of infection, that finally eradicated it. (Except for its continued storage "for research purposes" in highly secure bioweapons labs. Bioweapons don't work as placebos!)

People may be releasing bioweapons and that may be the first prong in the demon pitchfork hurled at life forms HERE and NOW.

But we have lost control of the body storyline that was supposed to be.... OUR innate health promoted by communing with all life around us. This loss is the second prong.

I don't know about the " ring vaccination" but I do think that it is important that the correlation between immunity to small pox and milking cows led to the idea that cow pox (less deadly and disfiguring) could protect milk maids and others form small pox. One could deliberately induce cow pox through scratching the skin and applying the vesicle fluid. I have NO ISSUES with the principle of a less deadly infection being a trigger to the immune system to protect from a worse kind of infection.

However, like Bruce Lipton, I do comprehend that the vector should be introduction by mouth, nose and skin. Modern injections to the muscle are absurd. One needs to understand the context in which one is working. One needs to be able to use least invasive and least harmful method. One needs to be wise with one's tools.

My issue is when a willy nilly application OUT OF CONTEXT is forced by those who have no concern or perhaps even conception about the ecology of life forms. In the case of "infective agents", there is a naturally occurring HERD BENEFIT built in to the orgnanismic community FROM GERMS. Natural wisdom and intention to thrive through interaction precedes all evidence.

The modern program of enclosure in the "city" where god forbid we touch dirt has prevented human ecology from maintaining real multigenerational protection from morbidity/mortality. Evolution by way of cooperation and community between/within organisms is thwarted by such NECESSITIES as hand sanitizer. Sanitizing is NOT hygiene..

The "from what, for what, to what" maxim was introduced by a greek sociology student I knew Yorgos Skalvounos. In the case of small pox, the beneficial intervention of "vaccines" was IMO there (from what) but LATER lost all reason and benefit as the "cure" moved farther and farther(TO WHAT) into artificial NONSENSE (FOR WHAT).

IMO vaccines DO hurt people. tey are absolutely correlated with harm and it is so TRAGIC as the rationale is STUPID> as draconian needles are traumatizing and being used INSTEAD of hygeine, breast feeding, appropriate environmental exposure to organisms of all kind and other factors readers of threads will have encountered.

The third prong of the devil dealing death FORK. Poisons OF ALL KINDS are now overwhelmingly ingested and injected, pervade the environment ... toxicity overlaid on bodies which do not exercise, who are malnourished and who are ungrounded and who with the current children will be even more ungrounded, divorced from nature and sickly.

This is not about singular infections but the death of our ecological niche. It is so tragic. I know I will live another day and I will NEVER understand until I am dead why this went so wrong. Then I will after death know. BUT in case I was supposed to know something else here and missed it, I will NEVER return here.

I came to earth and all I got was this stupid mask.

[Constance]

People may be releasing bioweapons and that may be the first prong in the demon pitchfork hurled at life forms HERE and NOW.

But we have lost control of the body storyline that was supposed to be.... OUR innate health promoted by communing with all life around us. This loss is the second prong...


Maggie, thank you for your thoughts. :flower: You reminded me of several things as I was reading what you shared but for brevities sake, I will only share a couple here.

I was listening to a brilliant video that Mikey shared here (https://youtu.be/0sYTKbCzNoo?t=1937) with Grounding researcher Stephen Sinatra.

Stephen said that the acupuncture meridian point for the heart in Chinese traditional medicine functions at 7.8 hertz. The Grounding Schumann energy functions at 7.83 hertz - He said, Mother Earth is connected to your heart. So if you are ever ever developing cardiac symptoms, put your bare feet on Mother Earth

I find it interesting that if I drop the letter 'h' off the word earth and move it to the front of the word, I get the word heart. If I add the letter 'h' to the word earth I get the word hearth - it reminds me of the expression, home is where the heart is, and contained within the word earth, is the word art. Creativity of the heart whilst connected to nature is where our true empowerment lies :heart: :heart::heart:


And this talk with Dr. Zach Bush and Josh Trent is exceptional.

Zach, a virology/microbiome expert has been doing a deep dive into the true nature of the virome. He says that the deeper he looks, the more profound beauty he finds.




Mother Earth from the very origins of life on this planet has been utilising this information stream of genomic transfer that we call viruses as the most exquisite of design in not just communication for sustaining life but communication for expanding life.

There is something deeply true about the physics behind that in that the universe is expanding for reasons that we still don't understand. Each planet, each solar system, each galaxy is getting further and further away from one another. It defies our tiny little perspective from this little blue dot that floats out in a remote outcast in a small galaxy in the middle of billions of other galaxies. We don't have the perspective to understand expansion.

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[One]

You cannot catch a Virus!

<sigh!> :)

Please read this book, by Richard Preston....


I have read "Demon in the Freezer" and I remain unconvinced. Many of those who "caught" the small pox disease in the outbreak described in the book were first inoculated with a vaccine, in some cases, multiple times!

Smallpox was widespread in the world, and greatly feared, long before any vaccines were ever developed. (In fact, trying to find a remedy for smallpox was how vaccines were discovered.)

It was systematic "ring vaccination", i.e. vaccinating non-infected people in a "firebreak ring" encircling the hot zone of infection, that finally eradicated it. (Except for its continued storage "for research purposes" in highly secure bioweapons labs. Bioweapons don't work as placebos!)
This really sounds like your typical story to bolster the weak arguments for vaccination and also give the impression everyone needs to be vaccinated. Surprised to see it stated as fact here.

Anyway here is an alternative history for consideration: https://prn.fm/unsuccessful-modern-medical-miracles-the-fraud-behind-the-polio-and-smallpox-vaccines-part-2/

Edit, I also found this review on "Demon in the Freezer"....
A good, quick read. But structurally, I got the sense the anthrax story didn't have enough content for a full book - it starts out as a compelling investigation into the Anthrax attacks, then goes off, somewhat unexpectedly, on a multi-chapter discussion about Smallpox. A scary thing, to be sure, but it was too much of a tangent, and left me wondering when he would return to the original storyline. It strikes me as an effort to get out a book in a timely manner (it was published in 2002) but before the story was truly fleshed out enough to be told. For example, there is no mention of Bruce Ivins and his perhaps controversial focus as a person of interest and the consequences of it, nor the resolution of Hatfill's devastating tenure as person of interest. Moreover, there is essentially no questioning of the FBI's methods - so it comes off a bit propagandistic. You get a sense he's a little too chummy with his characters. (Preston in fact co-wrote a book on smallpox with DA Henderson).

Obviously there are more positive reviews, but was interesting to me given the alarm bells it raises for me when I read of firebreak rings as a method disease control.

[Bill Ryan]

This really sounds like your typical story to bolster the weak arguments for vaccination and also give the impression everyone needs to be vaccinated. Surprised to see it stated as fact here.

Nope, that's not what I was doing. I'm a strong and committed anti-vaxxer. I was just [accurately!] reporting epidemiological history.

Facts are facts. It's hard to form sound judgments without them.

Exomatrix TV posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1367747#post1367747) that "You cannot catch a virus." You sure can. It's worrying (to me) that someone who's been a member for nearly 9 years can still post something like that. It's also worrying that someone who's been here for over 10 years (you joined the forum when it was first relaunched, in April 2010) still doesn't seem to know me or what I stand for!

:P

[One]

This really sounds like your typical story to bolster the weak arguments for vaccination and also give the impression everyone needs to be vaccinated. Surprised to see it stated as fact here.

Nope, that's not what I was doing. I'm a strong and committed anti-vaxxer. I was just [accurately!] reporting epidemiological history.

Facts are facts. It's hard to form sound judgments without them.

Exomatrix TV posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1367747#post1367747) that "You cannot catch a virus." You sure can. It's worrying (to me) that someone who's been a member for nearly 9 years can still post something like that. It's also worrying that someone who's been here for over 10 years (you joined the forum when it was first relaunched, in April 2010) still doesn't seem to know me or what I stand for!

:P

It is just the statement as fact that a firebreak was key in ending smallpox? Far more likely to be coincidental imo (assuming they tried a firebreak). I haven't read the book, but it just sounds like the usual spin.

[Bill Ryan]

This really sounds like your typical story to bolster the weak arguments for vaccination and also give the impression everyone needs to be vaccinated. Surprised to see it stated as fact here.

Nope, that's not what I was doing. I'm a strong and committed anti-vaxxer. I was just [accurately!] reporting epidemiological history.

Facts are facts. It's hard to form sound judgments without them.

Exomatrix TV posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1367747#post1367747) that "You cannot catch a virus." You sure can. It's worrying (to me) that someone who's been a member for nearly 9 years can still post something like that. It's also worrying that someone who's been here for over 10 years (you joined the forum when it was first relaunched, in April 2010) still doesn't seem to know me or what I stand for!

:P

It is just the statement as fact that a firebreak was key in ending smallpox? Far more likely to be coincidental imo (assuming they tried a firebreak). I haven't read the book, but it just sounds like the usual spin.Well, read the book. :)

Here it is (http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf). It's an extremely well-written page-turner, and any reader is likely to (a) find it pretty interesting, and (b) learn really quite a lot.

And no spin. That's how they eradicated smallpox. It's exactly how they did it. The whole project was pretty heroic, lasting nearly a decade, and many thought it could never be done. That was in the 1970s, long before vaccines became a lot more dangerous.

[DaveToo]

To all those who voted:

"Masks are ineffective, but I'm willing to wear one. "

I would urge you to read the fine print of the laws in your area. I would wager that in most cases
there are exemptions.

Masks are mandatory in my province but there are fine print exemptions.
I take advantage of them, and not one store clerk has challenged me when I told them I have a medical condition.

Don't be wimps! Have courage and start using your voice.

Like this guy?

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This is a war TomKat.
In any war there are bound to be some casualties. :)

Seriously though.
Overall the guy was quite cool-headed.

Not everyone is cut out for this rebellion thing.
I would never go the route he chose to take.

I have a perfect batting average, 100%,
shopping without a mask for months, using the medical exemption route.

[graciousb]

How can all this information be taken in 100% good faith when it comes from the same groups who have a long history of lies and bad faith? Pharma/defense/finance/govt cartels. Brought us fake wars, fake terrorism, fake enemies, running lsd, mind control and syphillis experiments on unwitting citizens, letting us be poisoned a hundred ways to Sunday, ''droning'' civilians, looking the other way over human trafficking...have had some come to Jesus moment and reformed? Now earnest and well intentioned? Never seemed to care before about the millions injured and dying of heart disease and diabetes still subsidizing fast food commodities.

And zero conversation about boosting your immune system. Zero conversation about how the measures are KILLING people. Old people dying alone because no family can come run interference at the hospital, no friendly faces to boost them and keep their brain neurons working. What the hell will it do to young children and toddlers to see no human real life faces anymore unless they are on a screen or family?


And the world proposed, this ''new normal''? Humans to live an anti-human world where everything that makes life worth living - human faces, smiles, hugs, gatherings, entertainments, traveling, is deemed ''dangerous''? A world not worth living in, brought to you by the usual suspects.

Let the thing have its way and get it the F.. over with. It's not going anywhere and apparently is so hyper contagious it will be coming through your doors and windows anytime now. But whichever way you slice it, any immunologist worth their salt would tell you the fear anxiety and isolation by ITSELF will cull the herd nicely.

[ExomatrixTV]

Unhealthy Mandatory Masks - Are We All Beta-tested How Obedient Slaves We Are? Does it End There? Hell No!

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Source (https://www.bitchute.com/video/7VT9wkmE8Vxb/)

[greybeard]

The trouble is that the medical professionals are trained with information supplied by the drug companies and vaccine manufacturers.
Dr’s have an enormous amount to learn about a multitude of illnesses , all credit to them.
They know only what they have been told about vaccines, viruses etc
They dont have first-hand knowledge of what goes into these vaccines, sometimes they are miss informed about safety checks in the testing of drugs-- placebo trials etc.

As an aside the Late Dr David Hawkins one of the leading Psychiatrists in USA said.
“ The ego would rather kill its host than admit it is wrong.”

Therefore, when a professional like Dr Andrew Wakefield– comes up with evidence to the contrary they are ridiculed and worse as is also as in the case of Dr Judy Milkovits.

Professor Dolores Cahill worked in laboratories throughout the world and endeavoured to correct miss information put out by some other professionals—her work is peer reviewed at the highest level, she was proven correct and her work accepted but some professionals continue to work in incorrect fashion.

There is a knock on as well meaning authors in all innocence will quote professional who are in error, but won't admit or accept that.
Or when Dr Rashid Buttar proves masks ineffective against virus and that vaccines are potentially dangerous he is disbelieved or flawed research quoted.
Also, Robert F Kennedy Junior who has spent a lifetime investigating vaccine safety.
That is not to say I believe every word they say but good sources to cross-check with other sources.

Follow the money WHO is funded by who?
Various vaccine producing companies are funded by who?
Is there a serious conflict of interest?
How much has been paid out in vaccine damages?
Why is this not reported in the media?
Why is Africa a testing ground for vaccines?
Why is it that many African women were given vaccines that contained ingredients that cause infertility?
Why is the press reporting that vaccine trials are promising and billions of shots are awaiting production?
Why is the press stating that the shots may have to be repeated?
How much has the UK Government paid to reserve millions of shots?
A lot of information here

https://londonreal.tv/digital-freedom-platform-interview-1-dr-rashid-buttar/
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

This is definitely off-topic! But I found it very interesting.

In this new video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvFt2Xcuois) about an expedition to K2 (the world's second-highest mountain, but far more dangerous than Everest), the climber shown, Adrian Ballinger, is wearing a facemask — without any supplementary oxygen. It's just a mask.

http://projectavalon.net/Facemask_on_K2_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Facemask_on_K2_detail.jpg

I found this fascinating, because as best I know this is a high-altitude mountaineering innovation. I'd never heard of that before.

It's not a medical mask, of course. And the sides of it are made of rubber. The rationale (and Ballinger strongly endorsed it) is that (a) the natural humidity of exhaled breath is retained close to the mouth and face, and (b) the freezing inhaled air is [slightly!] warmed up. It made breathing easier for him, not more difficult.

These small things make a big difference at that height, where the air is super-thin and the humidity is zero. Ballinger succeeded in his climb, and never had to resort to an oxygen tank, as most climbers do at that altitude.

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[DaveToo]

I get it now!

First it was the lockdowns. They were responsible for keeping the virus in check!
Now with the lockdowns ending it is the facemasks. They are responsible for keeping the virus in check!

How diabolically clever.

And the final solution: The vaccines.

The facemasks will end when the vaccine arrives. The vaccine will be responsible for keeping the virus in check!

Does everyone here agree that these three methods for fighting the virus
are perfect and that we should adopt them every time a new virus occurs?

[betoobig]

i ask myself, within the frame of human evolution, the incoming energies and the hook up back of our DNA.... do mask by reducing oxigen intake slow or stop this in any way, shape or form? Bc the cabal is everything but stupid, besides the spicological effect and the symbolism of the mask... does it have any repercusion in our development? Surely in the process of going from carbon based bodies to crystaline (silicon) based bodies oxigen is need it.... love to hear some avalonians thoughts about it. Thank you and much love

[One]

I get it now!

First it was the lockdowns. They were responsible for keeping the virus in check!
Now with the lockdowns ending it is the facemasks. They are responsible for keeping the virus in check!

How diabolically clever.

And the final solution: The vaccines.

The facemasks will end when the vaccine arrives. The vaccine will be responsible for keeping the virus in check!

Does everyone here agree that these three methods for fighting the virus
are perfect and that we should adopt them every time a new virus occurs?

Good point. And of course you would need to ensure the public don't realise that the "threat" has gone.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-nhs-phe-covid-19-government-england-scotland-a9626336.html

And no need to mention all the advantages of dragging it all out if there is a conspiracy going on.

[happyuk]

I'd like to draw your attention to a slight cock-up here on the face-mask front, as this excerpt from the CDC's view of the matter shows:

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An N95 mask is designed for use in a contaminated environment. It's the one to wear when dealing with a roomful of dead Covid victims. The mask filters the air you inhale, but not your exhalation. So it's not the one to wear if you are yourself infected. If you are, you should be in hospital. The N95 mask will not tell you if you're infected - for that you need a test. But if you have had a negative test to Covid19 and you don't want to catch it from someone else, then the N95 is the one for you. That's why our leaders are issued with them, and we aren't.

A surgical mask is what theatre nurses use when they are perhaps carrying germs and don't want to infect anyone else, for example the patient lying there with his stomach unzipped while you say things like "swab" and so forth. It filters the exhaled breath of the surgeon, but not the inhaled breath, so if the patient has bubonic plague, well, it's no use outside of a sterile area. In fact, it kind of leaves you wondering just what they are anyway, or indeed, how the hell surgeons get life insurance.

And so the masks we [cue sound of toilet flushing] Lucky Ones, get to wear, the Cloth Mask . As you can see from the capture above, the CDC opens with the encouraging promise 'DO NOT FILTER ANYTHING'. OK, these are the ones on sale to us, and a body headed by no less a personage that Fauci himself advises as follows:


Cloth masks actually risk your health rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks will become mildew-ridden in thirty minutes. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask

For once, the CDC is telling the unvarnished truth. Here's the ironic bit: I went into a large pharmacy yesterday morning, and quickly received some stuff which has already made a difference. The pharmacist - who knew his onions - told me:


The problem is widespread....just one usage of a cloth mask requires it to be immediately washed at 40 degrees

However, the implications of all this are far greater. As in, what is now law about mask-wearing in shops in the UK and the EU is dismissed out of hand by the CDC in the US as utterly pointless.

Millions of citizens are being legally forced to wear masks that (quote) 'DO NOT FILTER ANYTHING'. Call it misinformation or disinformation, it is what it is: a gigantic scam under which we are being asked to pay for protection that doesn't work, while the élites get their N95s free.

[AutumnW]

Surgical masks prevent YOUR exhalations from harming me. The surgical mask I am wearing is going to offer very limited protection to me, but will help YOU.

God, you'd think you're being exiled to the Gulag Archipelago for being asked to do what an Everest climber does voluntarily, because it helps him breathe!

[ClearWater]

If the majority of people wearing masks were using N95 or surgical masks, the context of this discussion would be entirely different. From what I personally see, and what others say they are seeing, the VAST majority of those wearing masks are using cloth masks. According to the document shared by happyuk (which I've not had a chance to authenticate/inauthenticate) these facial coverings do nothing to reduce the transference of viral particles, AND are a legitimate health risk to the wearer. This would mean that most wearing face masks are doing nothing to protect others, and are simultaneously endangering themselves.

Now, for the sake of balance, I'll point out that it could very well be the case that the CDC statement highlighted above is inaccurate, and cloth face coverings do help protect others to some extent. I don't exactly trust anything coming from our major health organizations these days...

[Justplain]

I have posted the below info, or sections of it, at a time, on Facebook. In addition to these facts, there is an interesting video floating around from info wars that equates this forced mask wearing with an occult ritual initiation. This seems to point to an occult change to society with the next step likely mandatory vaccinations.

By some accounts, Bill Gates is touting a new vaccine that actually alters DNA and rna. If the current propaganda is pointing in the direction that covid-19 immunity only lasts for a few months, then they would likely be trying to make an ongoing vaccination program, like flu shots, however using a far more dangerous technology. With their ability to use nano technology in vaccinations to 'wire you up' with nano-microchips and nano transmitter/receivers, the legitimate fear is that we will all be cyborged without even knowing it, if we submit to this scam.

You should realize that no one has isolated the covid-19 virus in the entire world! (according to an FOI research with the federal health Canada). Also, the world record for producing an effective vaccine is 4 years, the average being well over 10 years. Not to mention all the toxins, aborted fetal tissue, gmo'd animal tissue they use in vaccines.

So, wear a mask at your own risk. And submit to their vaccines at your own peril. As Katherine Austin-Fits said, 'Some things are worse than death.'

FORCED MASK WEARING IS Unconstitutional:

As per the attached article from the NewEngland Journal of Medicine, masks do little to prevent the spread of the flu, like covid-19. The basic assumption that pro-maskers are going on is that masks prevent the spread of cv by asymptomatic carriers. However, even the world health organization admitted that asymptomatic carriers rarely spread the disease. So, if the authorities simply isolate symptomatic carriers, those that have a temperature and flu symptoms, then no masks should be necessary for the rest of the public. Quarantine the sick, not the healthy. I believe these mask requirements are unconstitutional and a gross violation of our civil rights.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

For your information, you should be aware of the following FACTS:

1). Scientific research repeatedly shows that even the best masks do not prevent the the spread of respiratory viruses AND cloth masks are a health hazard! (see link)

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2). The mandatory mask provision is illegal because its not supported by science, is a health hazard and is unconstitutional! (see link)

https://www.lawtimesnews.com/practice-areas/human-rights/canadian-constitution-foundation-suggests-amendments-to-mandatory-mask-order-in-ontario/331257

[Agape]

I believe it’s ultimately a question of public consensus and awareness that may resonate with gov policies or not.

If you live alone or in small community in remote area and have few incoming visitors,
there’s no need to rise the question.
Believe me or not but in the heist of the pandemic paranoia that preceded the actual outbreak of the epidemics here in India, the worst fear grip was at the beginning, you could see some old people on empty mountain paths wearing face masks because it weren’t clarified to them yet whether the virus rains on us :)

No matter how humorous it may sound even such options can’t be discarded and it’s been observed that monsoon rains and coastal atmospheric waves carry huge amount of microbes from oceans surface in them,
good reason to wear a hat and carry an umbrella.

The question of “effectivity” itself sounds little dubious to me as every logically thinking individual should understand relative vs absolute values and we do not have any absolute warranty for our lives, everyday either and every phenomenon we observe and every measure we take no matter how much certainty do we assign to them are “relative measures”, not absolute protection.

In case of cluster outbreaks while transmission rate is extraordinarily high it’s been observed that face masks did not help a lot: but we don’t know if it was for too many people being quite lax about ANY hygienic rules at all.

You or I may not expect that but there are still couple millions of completely careless people out there who did not catch up mentally on the situation
and couple billion people whose options are very limited.

This extreme carelessness of people not willing to observe cleanliness of their bodies, environments and with respect of others is itself sometimes sign of mental dis-ease masquerading as political statement or new religion.

But in fact and until you have reached some kind of Supra human state, something like perfect Bodhisattva rainbow body that is invincible to every disease,
you’re part of the natural environment here and well, public consensus.


Face mask is effective to have in your pocket :) i use it on dusty roads and against car fumes. But I take it off whenever I feel it obstructs my breathing no matter where, regardless.


One last observation on the topic: please educate others about not tossing them all around after they’ve been discarded ,
I can’t believe people ARE doing this , it’s awful, looks like ladies old nappers anyway, probably the worst thing to do in case of outbreak as easy way to spread microbes.


Talk to others on how they feel


Pres Trump just said he expects it may get worse yet, possibly yes it may. I think it’s partially because our response needs to fit the situation more accurately.
I don’t believe that hospitals and local doctors have sufficient amount of medication to treat people even. Do we hear about it in the media.

Testing is very ineffective as a marker, people may get reinfected so test results are valid for number of days only while some with either positive or negative results are immune to the virus.

If you have already called this “epidemics” the focus needs to be placed on treatment first, that it symptomatic cases being treated accordingly.

The most issue that may not come through in most countries( except for China, South Korea and Japan and number of EU countries with less population but well organised medical systems the impact is comparatively much smaller than in countries with medical systems in state of chaos,
insufficient numbers of public clinics,
costly health care
etc.

Ultimately, the Emperors greed does cost lives.

Lost lives and welfare reduce your workforce and depression increases,
people revolt and country descends to civil war.

On the other hand, if you make basic healthcare cost free and available to all, people will be healthier, happier and the country will flourish.

Any government taxing people for medical care is based in academic ignorance:

every life form on this planet is born with number of genetic vulnerabilities that activate under specific conditions, no one is 100% healthy or perfect.
We all are vulnerable by default, not every illness is your karmic failure: it may be community, environment, tradition, heredity, global upheaval, nothing personal.

Even your best philosophy may have nothing to do with your state of health. There were no examples of great teachers of humanity in the past who have not been ill and/or passed away in whatever manner.

Just by being here we are bound to experience the state of illness and struggle for recovery.


So I wish all the respective human governments were aware of scientific facts and how they link to their human philosophies and humanitarian ideas.

We don’t need Popes in governments who preach some kind of Catholic doctrine about inherent guilt and disease you’re to pay for all by yourself by being born here.

We need well informed people with acute insight to human situation and suffering



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[happyuk]

The point I'm trying to get across is if you want to protect others then cloth masks appear to be a waste of time and give the wearer a false confidence.

[One]

Surgical masks prevent YOUR exhalations from harming me. The surgical mask I am wearing is going to offer very limited protection to me, but will help YOU.

God, you'd think you're being exiled to the Gulag Archipelago for being asked to do what an Everest climber does voluntarily, because it helps him breathe!

Yep, so hard to understand why people wouldn't want to be in involved with what they see is a scam and a stepping stone to removal of all basic freedoms.

Make sure the mask doesn't slip while you wear it.

[TomKat]

This is a war TomKat.

According to psychic Sloan Bella, it's a spiritual war, and we have to resist or the satanists will get bolder.

[TomKat]

Surgical masks prevent YOUR exhalations from harming me. The surgical mask I am wearing is going to offer very limited protection to me, but will help YOU.

God, you'd think you're being exiled to the Gulag Archipelago for being asked to do what an Everest climber does voluntarily, because it helps him breathe!

Does your mask help you breathe?

[TomKat]

Face mask controversy 100 years ago:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244267462.html

[happyuk]

So is the manufacturer lying? My logic is that unless it is a high-grade mask, new, correctly worn and in a lower-risk setting (avoiding buses, crowds etc), it is not going to protect you and it's unlikely it will protect those around you to any significant degree.

As for cloth masks, forget it. Especially those improvised efforts made from household fabrics. These are ineffective both for preventing virus transmission and for the protection of uninfected people.

It's the false sense of confidence that many mask-wearers seem to have that concerns me right now.

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[ClearWater]

So is the manufacturer lying?

I don't disagree with your logic.

Just going to throw out there the possibility that the note is there for legal purposes, to protect them against lawsuits from those who get Covid despite wearing a mask.
Many 'curative' therapies use similar disclaimers, and this is one of the reasons.

[DaveToo]

So is the manufacturer lying?

I don't disagree with your logic.

Just going to throw out there the possibility that the note is there for legal purposes, to protect them against lawsuits from those who get Covid despite wearing a mask.
Many 'curative' therapies use similar disclaimers, and this is one of the reasons.

Of course ONE of the reasons for the warning is for legal protection.

The other, is to explain to anyone using the mask that they are simply looking good and perhaps feeling smug, but that the mask offers no protection to infections.

[silvanelf]

For your information, you should be aware of the following FACTS:

1). Scientific research repeatedly shows that even the best masks do not prevent the the spread of respiratory viruses AND cloth masks are a health hazard! (see link)

These so-called "FACTS" are very misleading:


"... even the best masks do not prevent the the spread of respiratory viruses"
That's correct, but you failed to mention that


... masks reduce the spread of respiratory viruses.
By the way, this claim is nonsense:


"cloth masks are a health hazard"


See for example:

5 Questions: Stanford scientists on COVID-19 mask guidelines (https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html)

Scientists say we should wear masks to control the spread of COVID-19. Stanford experts share the evidence that informed the World Health Organization’s recommendations.

1. How do cloth face coverings prevent the spread of COVID-19?
2. How do you respond to people who feel that wearing a mask can be harmful?
3. What’s the best way to make and use a mask?
4. What does it mean to charge a mask? Does it work for all materials? How is it accomplished?
5. If everyone wore a face mask in public, what would it accomplish?

more at link: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html

[AutumnW]

Silvanelf,

I don't know about your so called, "experts." I note not one of them has clickbait youtube channels. Nor have any of them appeared on Quackwatch, or nearly lost their license to practice medicine. So what good are they? I also take great exception to the fact that they fail to mention that wearing masks today, means you will end up in a forced labor camp tomorrow. Once you start connecting the dots, it's easy peasy! Who even needs a degree?:clapping:

[DeDukshyn]

So masks are mandatory in my city starting Aug 1st. I'll be on vacation at the time, but I do suppose its time to buy or make a bird beak plague mask ... :)

Something like this would be cool, but I have a feeling if I make it, it won't have the attention to detail, lol ...

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/6917/products/plague_an_2018_7_1_1600x.jpg?v=1534649803


If I actually follow through, I'll try to get some peoples reactions on video to share :)

[ExomatrixTV]

No Evidence Face Masks Actually Helps - According To Many Mainstream Experts

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Source (https://www.bitchute.com/video/1d3H88KLhbqJ)

[DeDukshyn]

Just to add the story to the above post of mine ... the reason my city is mandating masks is because there has been a bit of surge in cases (but still far far less than what it was in the spring ... interestingly enough - the curve is basically flat).

The issue I have is this -- the have done contact tracing to show the vast majority of these new cases come from a couple areas -- one high rise condo building, a couple popular bars, and a couple popular gyms.

Obviously a few people in that high rise have it and are not quarantining themselves, the gyms are an interesting one because everyone in a public gym is breathing heavily the whole time - that's going to cause much greater potential for spread, and the bars - well people probably aren't practicing their safety after having a few.

The stupid part is that the whole city now has to wear masks, and if you are drinking at the bar, you don't need to wear one. That's an official exception. So let me get this straight, through contact tracing, a couple popular bars are the hotspots, and the whole city has to wear masks, but not the people in the bars wear transmission is actually occurring ... hmmmm.

Through contact tracing, popular gyms are known to be transmission hotspots - obviously because everyone breathes heavily there. Would it not make sense to close the bars again, force all gyms to have mask policies, and quarantine the whole highrise that has had a surge in cases? Wouldn't that be a more reasonable evidence based approach?

All politicians care about is alleviating the fear that they themselves and the media spread ... logic, rationale, and evidence based approaches seems to not be part of their decision making ...

And now in BC, the BCCDC (I guess they have a CDC as well) is now dictating for people to stop having sex and play with themselves instead or use a "glory hole" (lol ... actually true story: https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/coronavirus-glory-holes-sex/)

So it starts with masks ... lets see wear it leads ...

[ExomatrixTV]

Ben Swann Multistreaming Discussing Face-Masks
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[sanma]

A reply to this post in the mask poll thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111536-An-Avalon-facemask-poll&p=1367894&viewfull=1#post1367894

HikerChick said:
" I really miss having a browse round charity shops for books, but now they all have an ogre on the door who bullies you into using hand sanitiser, so I'll make do with the books I have."

When necessary I inform the door enforcer that I have just sanitised. There's never been a negative response to that but if there were I'd explain that my doctor has ordered me to use only the special sanitiser he prescribed.

Now that I think of it, said doctor is a dermatologist specializing in allergies. I'm very careful about avoiding anything that might cause an allergic reaction, perhaps even dangerous anaphylactic shock. Most stores have on hand in their first aid kit an "epi-pen" which usually reduces the risk of death from anaphylaxis and usually the store's insurance covers any problems that might result from an employee's improper administration of first aid, so maybe I'm too cautious, but better safe than sorry, right?

Perhaps you have some allergies too.
Shouldn't you be cautious and use only a special sanitiser that you keep in your car?

But probably you are being considerate of other shoppers and not wanting them to see you entering without using the store's sanitiser, which could lead them to think that they too could be allowed to opt out.

Good for you! Keep everyone safe! Millions are already dying and millions more would die if anyone thought that you had entered that store without sanitising. I applaud your observing the proper priorities. Books are completely unimportant compared to the overwhelming urgency of making sure that everyone follows the rules which are keeping us all safe.

[mountain_jim]

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[DeDukshyn]

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/057/247/452/original/bafee6ad2cb15b6f.png?1595565868

It was just 3 months ago he said masks are ineffective at stopping the virus. And the "experts" wonder why we think they are a bunch of incompetent losers at best, liars to further an agenda at worst.

[TargeT]

masks.. jewish star... we have seen this before.

I do it so other people feel comfortable and so that businesses that I enjoy do not get "screwed"........... I actively inform people of the purpose and use of masks (as well as correct wear) and highlight how we are doing everything wrong.

DO IT, or DON'T............ (also, is there any legal backing to this? I highly doubt it)




Also.. ancillary info: I'm very surprised at who I can recognize and who can recognize me while mostly "concealed"... apparently the eyes are vastly important (probably body posture and size as well....)

[DeDukshyn]

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Also.. ancillary info: I'm very surprised at who I can recognize and who can recognize me while mostly "concealed"... apparently the eyes are vastly important (probably body posture and size as well....)

I think its eyebrows specifically and body language/movement that give people away the most.

[Luke Holiday]

1. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ear-masks.html

Title: Face mask U-turn: Walmart, Home Depot, Walgreens and CVS are among stores saying they WILL serve customers who don't wear masks despite announcing face coverings were mandatory.

Now this is an incredible walk back by these mega corps who have now acquiesced to our noncompliance!!!!

I believe sharing this story could exponentiate safe/reasonable, yet maximally effective non-compliance in the aforementioned stores leading to similar walk backs by other corporate store chains .

Remember, their are NO LAWS mandating face masks - which is one reason these mega corps are walking back on their face mask policy. There are state directives regarding the use of face masks - but making them mandatory is unconstitutional - this is why the police could not detain nor arrest a person who refuses to comply.

Personally, I will be checking the validity of this story through my own non-compliance at my local Home Depot, Walmart, Walgreens and CVS tomorrow.

It is 1150 PM and I am getting fired up just thinking about walking in tomorrow without my mask, politely answering any resistive questions, buying what I need and walking out - without the useless, ineffective, Oxygen Depleting, GD nappy on my face!!! - You know - like it was in the good ole days - back in March!!!!

I hope you will join me!

Please leave comments regarding your thoughts/experiences regarding this exercise in willful, safe and reasonable, non-compliance.