Doctors treating COVID naturally - The Antidotes

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[Tomkoyote]

They have been treating patients from cars!
I believe you meant SARS, just a typo.
Thanks

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[Agape]

High UV dose actually does also help, the most of all available means, as a method of acute( aggressive) treatment.
This is not a book knowledge but a practical experience I’ve made of some -25- years and since I ever lived in India.

Very often on coming here in the middle of European winter or spring I had to go through process of cleansing the body that was fully natural,
facilitated by either heat and sunlight exposure.

Later while living in Himalayas I made the same but accelerated experience with cleaning possible viruses and bacterial infections by ascending through mountain trails(fully natural) to at least 3.500 m/above sea level.
Since that particular elevation the condition would not change.

If I had any wounds or scratches on the way up or got new ones on the way they all would close and heal very fast.

My breath is cleansed on those walks and blood pressure returns to normal.


UV in high altitudes can reach 16-20 depending on the angle of the mountain side, weather conditions and so forth.


The only problem and condition to fulfill after coming back is that you need to self-isolate since you’re clean but most vulnerable in that state and have to wait couple of days before your natural immunity rebuilds to casual levels:)



The teaser here is of course is, the option is not always available.


So research of anti-virotic treatments should be definitely boosted in that area together with research to complex sound frequencies capable of destroying pathogens by inducing resonant vibrations.



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[wegge]

I actually like what Trump proposed (if he actually did it, did not fact check yet) to inject desinfectant. It opens up the realm of absurdity

And I´m not saying we should do that, but what I like is, that his approach falls under a way of research, which one could term "finding the needle in a pile of absurdity."

In practical ways, as an exercise to stimulate your imagination, which could lead to finding real gold nuggets, that can then actually work, the game would be this.
Make a list with 100 things you would never do to cure Corona:

-Injecting disinfectant
-Swallowing 3 eggs
-Swimming in a poul of roundup
-Praying to the bat god
-etc.

Feel free to play along ;)

Sorry if it goes off topic, or branches.

[spade]

I actually like what Trump proposed (if he actually did it, did not fact check yet) to inject desinfectant. It opens up the realm of absurdity



he was sharing about a conversation with a doctor developing tech, experimental no doubt, not actually proposing anything... the ever optimist.

this is what he was talking about... I personally wouldn't be up for it, but it was an interesting anecdotal conversation.
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[Agape]

Well..save me the media circus 🐨 Perhaps he reads this forum and other alternative resources on long nights. Half people would probably still swear on Jim Humbles MMS here that really is chlorine dioxide and can be prepared from your bathroom bleach.

I have allergy reaction to chlorine since childhood, it’s not my thing, just saying. Chlorine just deactivated my immunity on spot and with prolonged use so i try not to overuse its powers around household.

If the FDA approves MMS (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement) for antiviral treatments Jim Humble would be laughing his pants.


I’ve used hydrogen peroxide for gargle and various cleaning, successfully, it’s something I can go with chemically, it seems.

It too has very limited ( as untested) and detested internal application pathway but has to be dissolved in gallons of water not to cause internal injuries.

But now I’ve searched whether it’s ever been experimented with in injections and here it is:
Influenzal pneumonia: intravenous injections of Hydrogen Peroxide (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(01)11118-9/fulltext)


Of course you don’t need or want anything injected to you if “you can drink it up”.

Many people can not help themselves due to their age and health conditions.

How many of those people survive only for being drip fed even occasionally and receiving their daily/weekly/monthly injections( or whatever kind)?
If they choose to be saved by being drip fed and “on injections” for the rest of their lifetime ,


this is just another one of them.


“Oh is there anything reminding you of WWII ...”


Sadly

[Bill Ryan]

See also this thread, which contains a number of valuable and simple home remedies/prophylactics, including information about C, D3, etc etc.

(It later morphed to include references to hydroxycloroquine/HQC, which I guess is okay: though the thread was originally intended to offer personal, non-medical support.)


Covid-19 (and flu!) Treatment and Prevention (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109824-Covid-19--and-flu---Treatment-and-Prevention)

[Agape]

Please don’t inject the bleach: Trumps wild coronavirus claims prompt disbelief (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/24/trump-disinfectant-bleach-coronavirus-claims-reaction?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)

It seems it was the MMS in question. No you can’t inject people with something that wasn’t explored and tested in clinical trials without killing about half of them.

Yucky.

Got me to bad corner.


Hope it works for those who suggested it


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[Tomkoyote]

Half people would probably still swear on Jim Humbles MMS here that really is chlorine dioxide and can be prepared from your bathroom bleach.

You really seem to know what you are talking about. Or do you?
Bleach is NaClO
MMS is Chlorine dioxide dubbed MMS, nothing else. Chlorine Dioxide formula is ClO2.
By equating Chlorine Dioxide to bleach, you are saying ClO2 = NaClO
If that's the case then a dog is a cat and hyena is a fox.
Just plain ignorance, don't you agree?


... and can be prepared from your bathroom bleach.
I wish it were the case - I could just swing by my local store buy some bleach and make my own concoction at home for very cheap, right...?
No, you cannot make CLO2 from NaCLO at home; nope, chemically not possible.
Another plain ignorance, don't you agree?
Thanks to the witch hunt organized by the FDA, MMS sellers are extremely hard to find. Actually, last week, the FDA raided a guy's house in Florida because he was helping others cure their ailments with MMS.


Of course you don’t need or want anything injected to you if “you can drink it up”..


This is pure ignorance. I have no medical background, but can tell you this:
In many cases you want an IV and not oral doses, simply because when you ingest the cure, a large portion goes down the drain, and very little reaches the bloodstream. That's why in acute cases the patient is given IVs (Vit C IV) and not oral doses.

Regarding CLO2 IV, I can tell from direct use it is safe and more effective than ingesting it when dealing with acute cases. I have used IVs myself, my wife, and a close friend. Of course if you know nothing about MMS and equate CLO2 to bleach, go see a doctor, this is not for you.

You can bet your life it works for those who suggested it, if.... you know what you are doing. If you don't know how to drive, don't drive.
I have been using it for six years now and when this corona business started taking a funny turn, I ordered a bunch more in case they come back at us with something more serious and i do expect it.

Two years ago a friend of mine 72, was diagnosed with prostate cancer. MMS was his major protocol (+ of course supplements). At his last visit in Dec2019 he was declared low in iron and nothing else.

Without being certain, I expect a second round of infection, this time the real McCoy. The people who swear by Jim Humbles protocol will not panic because we have the tools and the weapons. The other half is not my concern, I am not part of them.

[Agape]

Very good. Thanks for feeding us on the chemistry. As I said I’m not good with chlorine and that may be for the fact that our drinking water and swimming pools were chlorinated in Prague and I’ve accidentally gulped plenty of that low concentration disinfectant as well.

But we all started to drink bottled water if not the original sourced mineral water, think of Mattoni, it was a common supermarket brand of mineral water the cost of todays Aquila.

Of course drinking any mineral or mineralised water in long term can damage your kidneys.

One or two bottles a week should be sufficient if necessary unless for specific health reasons.

As to the MMS, it is most certainly capable of facilitating strong chemical and metabolically reaction, killing certain classes of pathogens and cleansing body from accumulated and excessive biological residues.



I’m not ingesting any elemental chemicals , not drinking the emperors ink and see you on the mountain trails



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On the Eastern side of mountain like white pearls in soft grass rest the whitened and purified bones of scape goats
Black ravens and eagles home


But we are homeless under Stars

[Justplain]

I have seen a naturopath recommend for treating covid-19 to use a combination of quinine and zinc. If you can't get quinine, find tonic water that contains it, like schweppe's or fever tree. He says drink 3-4 ounces of tonic water a day and take 50-100mg of zinc a day.

Also, I am pretty sure MMS would work, as should high doses of vitamin C + Echinacea + Tumeric.

[Tomkoyote]

Quinine:
In the 50s and 60s when tropical diseases were our daily load in west africa, the standard and only protection and cure was quinine. It was pure, cheap, no prescrip required.
Years ago they took the real quinine off the market and replaced it with a synthetic version, (Hydroxychloroquine), less effective, multiple times more expensive and you need a prescription.

Quinine is (originally) a Malaria cure.
MMS is (originally) a Malaria cure.

A few days ago I swang by my Chinese herbal store. I noticed a load of Chang Shan (Dichroa Febrifuga) packs on the counter. I asked the guy. He replied that a few Chinese docs realized that infected patients got back on their feet within 2 to 3 days after taking the herb.

Chang Shan (Dichroa Febrifuga) is a Chinese herb (root), a Malaria cure.

About MMS: Here is a video explaining a bit about Chlorine Dioxide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=MNQUTeLz7vs&feature=emb_logo

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[enfoldedblue]

When I feel my body fighting something I immediately get on my low EMF crystal heat mat. I put the setting on quite high and lay on it for as long as I can stand. It is a bit like inducing a fever...and works really well. Some of the crystal heat mats are very expensive and many of the cheaper ones have high EMFs but this one is meant to be good and is not overly expensive. I actually use it a lot in winter...but at a more comfortable setting if I am not concerned about sickness.

https://www.amazon.com.au/UTK-Infrared-Tourmaline-Heating-Control/dp/B07L9YTDL7

Another interesting thing I came across are these frequencies designed to assist with corona. Lissa Rankin posted this on her FB page:
Hey you all- I'm passing this along just in case it helps anyone. My friend woke up with a fever and cough two days ago and his wife- a Chinese medicine doc/shaman who is pretty out there with esoteric stuff- treated him with these sound frequencies. He was better by end of day. He's from Yale- an intellectual, but he passed it along to me, saying, "I don't believe in things like this, except when they work." Placebo? Who knows, but sound frequencies certainly can't hurt- and it's free.

https://coronafrequencies.com/?fbclid=IwAR3OyMAr9N8EmmiiGnJRiRgG1XbzQdxAqlmGSqVj7Nl3RzXcAyfsgiMzHCk

[DeeMetrios]

thank you :sun:

[Sue (Ayt)]

When the word "disinfectant" is used, it can mean things like hydrogen peroxide and iodine and even UV light.
The docs in the video that Constance posted above talk about nebulizing both hydrogen peroxide and iodine. That could be the "disinfectant directly to the lungs" that Trump was alluding to.
Also - Vitamin C IV's most likely work as a "dis-infectant".
MSM and all the peeps that jumped on that word "disinfectant" as meaning Clorox or Lysol ... well, just plain facepalm. (Very frustrating.)

Hey - When I looked into the newly appointed FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn (he spoke at the Whitehouse conference on Friday, attempting to clarify some things), well, I was kind of pleased to read his bio on wikipedia. I admit, I tend to not trust the 3-letter agencies involved, ie WHO, DCD, FDA.
But this new guy - Stephen Hahn, I liked what he said, and I like what I've read about him.
On his wikipedia bio, I followed the link concerning his main area of research, and I was quite intrigued to see that it was about Photodynamic Therapy.

Photodynamic therapy (PDT), is a form of phototherapy involving light and a photosensitizing chemical substance, used in conjunction with molecular oxygen to elicit cell death (phototoxicity). PDT has proven ability to kill microbial cells, including bacteria, fungi and viruses.Photodynamic therapy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodynamic_therapy)

Do you think it is possible that the FDA may actually have been cleaned up some?

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[Tomkoyote]

Other suggestions:

- Essential Oils (Clove/Oregano/Thyme/Pine)
3 to 4 drops in a capsule with a carrier oil; 3 to 4 times a day on empty stomach.

- In the event I have access to practically nothing, no herb, no essential oil, etc... and I am facing a real epidemic this time, I visit my hardware store and get a pint of turpentine (make sure it says Pure from tree resin on the can). Mix half turp - half veg oil. Take half teasp to 1 teasp, 2 to 3 times a day (depending on my case) on empty stomach.

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[Franny]

A favorite site that has proved most helpful to many people, myself included, is EarthClinic.com:

Earth Clinic - Melatonin Protocol for CV (https://www.earthclinic.com/melatonin-protocol-for-coronavirus.html#melatonin_185510)

I'm going to post a few clips from this page but please read further on the site for more information. Melatonin is used to successfully reduce the cytosine storm that the virus causes. It may sound strange but hang in there and take a look.

Also posting an article and several links to studies on therapeutic use of melatonin.


Here is the latest update (6/23/2020) from Dr. Neel. It appears that he now has about 100 patients based on what he says in his update and he gives a brief idea of how things are going for his Covid-19 patients and his results are holding up very well as his patient base continues to expand (Texas appears to be having a significant increase in Covid-19 cases) and no deaths to report among his Covid-19 patients.


Dr. Neel has treated over 400 Covid-19 patients now, as of July 22, 2020. Since his patient load has increased very considerably, so has his knowledge and understanding of the use of HDM (High Dose Melatonin) in Covid-19 patients. This seems like one of his most informative updates so far.

50 COVID patients recover under Dr. Neel’s care (https://devinenews.com/50-covid-patients-recover-under-dr-neels-care/)

50 COVID patients recover under Dr. Neel’s care
June 17, 2020

Owning two urgent care clinics, Dr. Richard Neel isn’t faced with red tape that many doctors face, and has only one thing on his mind…helping patients and saving lives.

The retired Air Force Colonel/ Chief Flight Surgeon practices medicine with the same kind of courage he flew fighter jet missions many years ago. He is the most passionate doctor I’ve ever met, and he is not afraid to delve into the world of “alternative medicine” when traditional medicine isn’t working.

For that reason he has been able to give dozens of COVID patients an alternative to simply “isolating at home and hoping they don’t start experiencing shortness of breath,” which seems to be the standard recommendation when diagnosed with COVID.

As cases in Texas see in an uptick, Dr. Neel commented in an interview that he has now treated around 50 COVID patients to-date, and they all responded to treatment very quickly, showing significant improvement within 24 hours.

“Everyone that I treated has started feeling better within 24 hours, and none wound up in the hospital or even needing to seek further treatment after taking the recommended dosages,” Dr. Neel said. “The results have just been phenomenal.”

Dr. Neel has studied the anti-toxin and anti-oxidant effects of melatonin for many years. As the pandemic neared, Dr. Neel had a hunch that melatonin could treat COVID too. He began treating patients this past April.

“Many studies proven that melatonin is effective in fighting both bacterial and viral infections,” Dr. Neel said. “With melatonin having such a high safety profile and it working so quickly for COVID patients–there’s just no reason for doctors not to try this.”

Melatonin is a natural chemical that is already in your body and contributes to your immune system. As we grow older, the level of melatonin that we have in our bodies diminishes. It has been shown to be an effective weapon in fighting pneumonias and sepsis, among other things.

Dr. Neel notes that he has now treated several high-risk COVID patients with underlying conditions like heart disease, diabetes and HIV–and the results speak for themselves.

“I am seeing fevers break within 24 hours, body aches go away and sense of smell and taste come back around 48 hours, and it’s taking about 48-72 hours for a severe cough to go away on average,” Dr. Neel notes.

“Many patients had oxygen saturations in the 89-90 range, and they were back up to normal the following day after beginning the treatment,” Dr. Neel stated.

One of those high-risk COVID cases that had great success is a patient in his mid-30’s who suffered from HIV, a dangerous co-morbidity.

“He had high fevers spiking up to 103, severe body aches, shortness of breath, diarrhea, and a very bad cough when he called me. The next morning, he was much better already, and had broken his fever. By the second day the fever and body aches were pretty much gone, and he just kept getting better from there,” Dr. Neel said.

“What I am recommending to other doctors as far as dosages go is 1 mg per kilogram for adults, which is averaging out to around 80-100 mg of melatonin per day for most of my adult patients. Most are able to take it in a single dose at bedtime,” Dr. Neel said. “I want to emphasize that this is NOT A PROFALAXIS DOSE. This is for patients who have severe symptoms, and should be under a doctor’s care.”

“I know there are trials going on in other places, but in the middle of this pandemic, I don ‘t think I could do a true double-blind study, where some patients are given melatonin and some aren’t. I don’t think I could do that to my patients–knowing how fast and well it’s helping people.”

Of the 50 patients who tested positive for COVID, and were treated with melatonin, roughly half of them had symptoms including high fever, body aches, and severe cough, with the other half experiencing mild symptoms or being asymptomatic and staying that way.

“We have definitely seen more cases at our clinics in the last few days than we have in quite in a while,” Dr. Neel said. “It had slowed down quite a bit, and it is definitely picking back up now.”

If you are a patient of Doctor Neel or any MD treating COVID patients with melatonin, please reach out to us on Facebook messenger and share your story with us.

If you or a family member is suffering from COVID, you can contact Dr. Neel at the Little Alsace Urgent Care in Castroville, Texas.

This article is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice. Anyone taking large doses of medication should be under a doctor’s care.

A recent paper title “Therapeutic Algorithm for Use of Melatonin in Patients with COVID-19 (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.00226/full)” asserts that melatonin helps prevent or attenuate the deadly cytokine storm that COVID induces.

“The cytokine storm leads to acute cardiac injury, acute respiratory distress syndrome, and infection, leading to generalized sepsis and multisystem failure, which may lead to death…. Thus, preventing the cytokine storm may be key for the treatment of COVID-19 infected patients. Since there is a lack of effective therapies and immunological treatments may be insufficient, melatonin……may have beneficial effects in preventing or attenuating the cytokine storm and reducing morbidity and mortality from this disease.”

The paper also states, “Melatonin has been shown to be clinically useful in sepsis (43), where the clinical features parallel those of COVID-19 viral infection; moreover, melatonin has been demonstrated to relieve many of the symptoms of other viral infections (17–21, 48).”

Furthermore, the paper states that melatonin can be used in high doses with a very “high safety profile (36, 37).”

The paper referenced at the end of this article was authored by Russel J Reiter., Pedro Abreu-Gonzalez, Paul E Marik., and Alberto Dominguez-Rodriguez.

By Kayleen Holder
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10 hospitalized patients treated with melatonin when standard COVID treatments weren’t working

The article details a case study of 10 patients given high doses of melatonin in a hospital in the Phillipines between March and April. The article notes that all 10 patients, who were not showing improvement with standard treatments, were administered high doses of melatonin.

Doctors found that the 10 patients made a faster recovery, when compared with other COVID patients at the hospital, and none of the 10 patients receiving the melatonin (hdM) ended up requiring a ventilator.

Even the president of the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte, has taken notice of melatonin’s potential to fight COVID, according to one of the authors of this research article, who resides here in South Texas.

Now a clinical trial using high doses of melatonin in COVID patients has been announced in the Phillipines recently and will include hundreds of patients. It’s no wonder, as the research article titled “Melatonin as adjuvant treatment for coronavirus disease 2019 pneumonia patients requiring hospitalization.

The article detailing the case studies states, “In all 10 patients given hdM, clinical stabilization and/or improvement was noted within 4-5 days after initiation of hdM. All hdM patients, including 3 with moderately severe ARDS and 1 with mild ARDS, survived; none required Mechanical Ventilation.

The 7 COVID19(+) patients were discharged at an average of 8.6 days after initiation of hdM. The 3 highly probable COVID19 patients on hdM were discharged at an average of 7.3 days after hdM initiation. Average hospital stay of those not given hdM (nonhdM) COVID19(+) patients who were admitted during the same period and recovered was 13 days.”

“To provide perspective, although the groups are not comparable, 12 of the 34 (35.3%) COVID19(+) non-hdM patients admitted during the same period died, 7/34 (20.6%) required MV; while 6 of 15 (40%) non-hdM (-) by RT-PCR but highly probable COVID19 pneumonia patients also died, 4/15 (26.7%) required MV.”

The article goes onto state,” No significant side-effects were noted with hdM except for sleepiness, which was deemed favorable by all patients, most of whom had anxiety and symptom-related sleeping problems previously. HdM may have a beneficial role in patients treated for COVID19 pneumonia, in terms of shorter time to clinical improvement, less need for MV, shorter hospital stay and possibly lower mortality. HdM was well tolerated. This is the first report describing the benefits of hdM in patients being treated for COVID19 pneumonia. Being a commonly available and inexpensive sleep-aid supplement worldwide, melatonin may play a role as adjuvant therapy in the global war against COVID19.”

The patients received hdM “at doses between 36 mg/day to 72 mgs/day per os (p.o.) in 4 divided doses.”
Read the full report at www.melatonin-research.net

SOURCE: Melatonin as adjuvant treatment for coronavirus disease 2019 pneumonia patients requiring hospitalization: a case series Rafael R. Castillo* 1,2,4, Gino Rei A. Quizon^ 1 , Mario Joselito M. Juco1 , Arthur Dessi E. Roman1 , Donnah G. de Leon1 , Felix Eduardo R. Punzalan1,3, Rafael Bien L. Guingon1 , Dante D. Morales1,5, Dun-Xian Tan6 , Russel J. Reiter7 ; on behalf of the MAC-19 PRO Study Group.
Received: April 30, 2020; Accepted: June 3, 2020.

More and more research supports the rationale for melatonin fighting COVID-19, including these research papers worth reading….
The following research paper cites that “No toxicity was found in phase 2 trials of 1400 women taking 75mg daily for 4 years!”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340361908_Can_melatonin_reduce_the_severity_of_COVID-19_pandemic

This is a research paper written about a clinical trial of newborn babies who suffered from deadly septic infections, and were treated with 20 mg melatonin. All survived.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11726736/

This is a recent hospital study of 10 patients given 36-72mg/day in the Philippines, showing great impact on recovery:
http://www.melatonin-research.net/index.php/MR/article/view/88/600

Here is a link to a new abstract that suggests that melatonin is useful for restoring the glutathione redox system as well as working against Covid-19.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32597503/

This new article explains how melatonin inhibits the cytokine storm that is proving to be a serious problem from Covid-19 : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590098620300312?via%3Dihub

The new study link below shows that melatonin, paroxetine, or carvedilol reduced the risk of testing positive for Covid-19. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533957/?from_term=melatonin&from_sort=date&from_size=20&from_pos=2

Apparently the combination of melatonin and vitamin D may have synergistic affect against Covid-19 according to the following new study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7227533/

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