Magé, Brazil, 13 May 2020 (hoax, or not?)

[Did You See Them]

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Can anyone translate what is being said in the above video please ?

The story seems to be that something was brought down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260530953845444609

Also the following image is being shared of a sphere on the ground.

https://imgur.com/S50tRHB

Also posted by an anon was the following.

anonymous post:

"Im actually resident near Magé, in a town named Duque de Caxias, and I work in Magé, close to the imbel factory.
My friends from work are telling me that something happened without any doubts, and even the most skeptical are findng the sudden military presence strange.
See, this Imbel factory is a military zone but its basically a relic from the dictatorship era so there wasnt real military personell in large scale there for decades now.
Then these lights are seem, a huge explosion is heard, helicopters are all over the place, trucks, soldiers and martial law circling the factory area.
Could be alien or a very secretive army aircraft project test, but since this is Brasil and our military does not have this kind of technology, Im doubting the latter."

[CurEus]

the auto translate function proves nearly useless.....

[palehorse]

Well, if my rusty Portuguese still good, in the main video the reporter is saying that the place is a army factory, they produce armor/weapon in the place and there was an explosion, also a few workers were coming out from that blue gate in the video and she asked them if it was something felt from the sky (because the locals were saying that something round shaped felt from sky) and 1 worker just agreed with that, other workers didn't say anything but their face wasn't normal, seems like they were scared about something. Also the reporter says the military took over the place and locked down the entire area.

Remarks: The reporter doesn't seem very sure about what she was saying because most of the information was coming from the locals that were there before she arrived, she was mostly just repeating what the locals were saying.

For me the sounds is like someone was freaking out with their guns and shooting something.

[palehorse]

the auto translation thinks it is spanish or something, due to the "huge" amount of slangs being said by the Brazilians, youtube has no clue what was that haahahha

[palehorse]

That image humm, seems like a bowl of steel planted there, I do not buy this picture, no way.

[Did You See Them]

"IT IS NOT A THING OF OUR WORLD", AFFIRMS SOLDIER IN RELATION TO UFO MAGÉ

https://odivergente.blog.br/nao-e-coisa-de-nosso-mundo-afirma-soldado-em-relacao-ao-ufo-mage/


Pale horse, can you listen to the below video and get the gist of what is being said, especially towards the end in the garbled communications ?

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[Did You See Them]

A bit of UK msm coverage.

UFO sighting: Thousands witness 'UFO crash' in Brazil amid Google Maps 'cover-up'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1283063/UFO-mystery-mysterious-lights-Mage-Brazil-Google-Maps-alien-crash-conspiracy/amp#aoh=15896261872624&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

[palehorse]

@Did You See Them - at 6 min of the this video, there is this group of ufologist that arrived at the local and they gathering lots of information, he said that was 4 helicopters following and chasing the lights and the object (at 6 min. he says object and 6:35 another witnesses said it was the lights) in the sky, and the object crashed at the Magé site, the supposed object that crashed is shown a little before in the video, it seems like a steel bow.
From 6:38 to 7:10 - he said "helicopters was chasing the ref light and suddenly the light went down into the forest, and it made a huge noisy, and the helicopters still looking over the area for a while over the woods, Marcelo lives here in Pau Grande (location name) surrounded by ... video cut "

from 7:13 towards the end it says: " Libra 4 confirm the station that the American object was shot down, confirm it was shot down, please go ahead, we need 3 or 4 teams, it is a lot of things, you will have access via Estradinha (narrow road) copy that? ... ###bad sound### ... I repeat, there is more, copy that Libra 2, I do not want to put my hands on that fu** Libra 2, stop shouting and using indecent language BR are listening, .... capture the equipment, copy that? ..... the Colonel is going down via Estradinha (narrow road) copy that? ... positive Libra 4, copy. we are going to the factory and then we look what to do, need to remove it under camouflage copy. it seems broken, all bended ... ###bad sound### ... it not wearing cloches take it as it is, have to remove, have sure it is closed, can not show anything, understand? copy... collect all phones, does not allow anyone to make records copy? .. the folks from Alcantara will be responsible for the removal of the object, copy that? Operate with the protocol of Aguias (Eagles) .. end "

Sorry about the translation, it was the best I could do, the audio is very bad, too noise. First impression I had it was amateur radio talking to each other due to the language (informal / slangs) used, but towards the end after Libra 4 warned Libra 2 that they were being copied by others (BR listening), they quickly change their communication being more formal.

Remarks: In the video they say Alcântara, it is a city located in Maranhão State in North of Brazil, the Air Force Base and Brazilian Space Agency.
Hope this helps a bit.

[Did You See Them]

Thank you very much Palehorse.
Something has definitely happened there - but what exactly ?
Sounds like whatever it is, removing it is going to be a problem now that the word is out.

[prc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBJfUuVqJ8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2ZERV-OrNnlYJs-pI4dRpDUjUsVS--4DZ4t9tiwA1rLVGkH-BVWGPKz0g

In this video, the title says that they filmed the crash but I haven´t seen it.

Not Long ago, United States of America did a deal with Brazillian Government to use the Alcantara base in the North of Brazil.

https://noticias.uol.com.br/cotidiano/ultimas-noticias/2020/05/13/suposta-queda-de-ovni-em-mage-rj-intriga-brasileiros-e-ganha-memes.htm

Above there is a link from a mainstream Brazilian News website, please use Google Translator and set it from portuguese to english.

Airforce denied the crash.

In another video posted in the beggining of this thread a girl was filming in front of the place where the UFO possibly crashed and she said that asked the first person who exited the premise and the person said that something crashed, two other person exited the same premise and said nothing has happened.

https://ufo.com.br/noticias/assista-aqui-as-lives-de-gevaerd-sobre-o-ufo-de-mage-e-os-satelites-starlink-da-spacex.html

Above is the link of Revista UFO ( Brazillian UFO Magazine) on the Magé-RJ UFO incident.

The orginal link to REVISTA UFO is www.UFO.com.br

[prc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=h_S5Npk75Tw&feature=emb_logo

I have just watched this video from the Editor of Revista UFO, the Brazilian UFO Magazine, his name is Ademar Jose Gevaerd, he did this streaming to talk about the Magé UFO incident.

Magé is a city located 60 km far from International Airport in Rio de Janeiro City.

Mr. Ademar Jose Gevaerd, Editor of Brazilian UFO Magazine said that nothing has happended in Magé. He just said that he has got a 400 team composed of engineers, astronomers, physicists and he dispatched his team to investigate and he claims that nothing happened there.

But he was streaming a live video and one person on the chat said to check the video of another Youtube Channel. I have checked the video and on it a guy was giving the latitude and longitude of the crash and showing on Google Earth.

The coordinates are: 22o 34´59.8"S 43o 11´ 55.9"W

Here is the video, never mind that his channel is called David´s Flat Earth, you need to ignore this information, watch his video and check for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O00gXhm8Fs

[prc]

I forgot to say that Mr. Ademar Jose Gevaerd, the Editor of Brazilian UFO Magazine said that the last Ufo incident in Brazil was located in Varginha, which is a city located in the State of Minas Gerais on the Southeast Region of Brazil. I have already seen a thread here about the Varginha Incident.

[bogeyman]

Lets see how quickly this is coveted up and an alternative cover story is implemented. The area will be cornered off, the object removed, witnesses first hand silented, the area swept clean and sanitised.

The media will be silented. No doubt the US and others including the CIA will try to get there hands on it. I also will say USSOUTHERN COMMAND will be heavily involved in this.

[palehorse]

I translated the audio above from one video, and for me it seems like amateur radio, not military, as I said in the above post the way they were speaking to each other in a very informal way, bad language, does not seem like military talk at all.
On this sort of thing Google is last tool I would trust, specially related to UFO, researchers can not rely on Google Earth (as far as I know they don't) in order to do their job, there is lots of companies that provide real time access to satellites for a fee, Google is out of question here, when I see videos relying on Google Earth I just pass it, not for me, it is not serious stuff, just propaganda/click bait.
In order to know if something fell down in that area, tools like EOS (https://eos.com/lv/) offers, would be a most for analysis.

[palehorse]

Thank you very much Palehorse.
Something has definitely happened there - but what exactly ?
Sounds like whatever it is, removing it is going to be a problem now that the word is out.

I would say it is a real UFO if I get access to a live satellite photos from the crash site (if there is one), otherwise there is no real evidence, and people making photos of steel bowl stuck in the sand is not convincing me.
Since this imagery satellite services cost are very prohibitive for most people, then we still in the dark as usual. Also this imagery system it works for the location you choose in your plan when subscribed for a service, you won't have live access to other areas. As far as I know only the military and satellites owners are having full access to earth and of course companies that are willing to pay a very high fee to have full access. I am pretty sure, the incident being true or not, they will not share any imagines with us.

[bogeyman]

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/pkyy5g/ufo-over-mage-brazil-sparks-social-media-panic-and-conspiracies


The mysterious lights were seen by thousands of people, there's video evidence, and people are saying posts disappeared from social media. What happened?

[Mashika]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=h_S5Npk75Tw&feature=emb_logo

I have just watched this video from the Editor of Revista UFO, the Brazilian UFO Magazine, his name is Ademar Jose Gevaerd, he did this streaming to talk about the Magé UFO incident.

Magé is a city located 60 km far from International Airport in Rio de Janeiro City.

Mr. Ademar Jose Gevaerd, Editor of Brazilian UFO Magazine said that nothing has happended in Magé. He just said that he has got a 400 team composed of engineers, astronomers, physicists and he dispatched his team to investigate and he claims that nothing happened there.

But he was streaming a live video and one person on the chat said to check the video of another Youtube Channel. I have checked the video and on it a guy was giving the latitude and longitude of the crash and showing on Google Earth.

The coordinates are: 22o 34´59.8"S 43o 11´ 55.9"W

Here is the video, never mind that his channel is called David´s Flat Earth, you need to ignore this information, watch his video and check for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O00gXhm8Fs

Google earth or Maps is not a tool you can use to show what's happening in real time, or days/weeks/months ago. The images on that site are like years old sometimes. So using it to say "see they are not showing what happened yesterday is not a valid situation"

Even if Google would fly a plane to retake pictures of that location, or send a few cars to stree map the place again, it would take weeks or more before the new images show up on the site, after some people go through them to ensure there's nothing weird going on that could cause a lawsuite or similar

So nope, using Google earth or Google maps is a no go for evidence of things that happened this/previous week

[Deneon]

I have tried to follow this pretty closely. I don't speak a word of Portuguese but I have a friend who does, so we've kind of made a thing to try and find as much information about this as possible. I've talked to a couple of locals online as well and all of them are pretty convinced that something out of the ordinary is going on.

There are a couple posts on Reddit that have tried to make sense of much of the information. Most of the info posted comes from Twitter, Facebook or things shared in Whatsapp and Telegram groups. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of coordination on a research effort yet. I’ll try and list some of the bullet points. I will link to Twitter and Facebook feeds and hope that will work.

SUMMARY:

Around 1am local time on the night of the 13th may, people are wakened by aircraft/helicopter noise over their town. Some take video of an unknown reddish object being circled/chased by 4 helicopters
The object goes down near a military ammunitions factory, aka IMBEL
The next morning, loud bangs and noises are heard and smoke is seen in the vicinity
From that moment on, military helicopters are seen flying into and out of the area. This continued for days and might still be ongoing


Location

Mountains behind the IMBEL factory near Mage: https://www.google.nl/maps/@-22.5768529,-43.1873019,3a,75y,338.23h,85.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVKVf61Boy4atExNysaUSSA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DVKVf61Boy4atE xNysaUSSA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26y aw%3D138.69098%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
This may be unrelated but worth mentioning: IMBEL celebrated its 212th anniversary on May 12th 2020 (Source: https://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php/noticias-imbel/311). The skeptic in me would say that this would be a good time to showcase some new weapon or tech or whatever, which could maybe explain some of the things people were seeing and hearing. On the other hand, the few people I’ve talked to have told me there were no celebrations, helicopters, explosions or gunshots in other years.


UFO and crash
This twitter account assembled some of different lights in the sky. hese 4 below seem to be showing the same thing. (There are more than just these 4 videos, but they look to be from other events and just add to the confusion)

https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260531694895013888
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260533197336711168
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260532147225612290
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260532583978414081

This video shows flashes of light on the other side of the mountain, supposedly from the object going down:

https://twitter.com/RobertBragaC/status/1260390462990450689

Couple days later, people found a ‘hole’ in the canopy of the jungle and damages trees

Here are some pictures: https://i.imgur.com/9P3yhGo.jpg
Here is a video: https://www.facebook.com/ufologiariopreto/videos/563416971259858/



Explosions
The next morning explosions are heard and recorded multiple times. Again, with a ammunitions factory nearby my first assumption would be that this is a normal thing. Residents seem to agree that this is not the case though.

This one is at the entrance of IMBEL, smoke is seen and explosions or gunshots are heard: https://twitter.com/tobamu1978/status/1260732942558670848
This is a group of friends that went to investigate and wanted to get close to the site. They were about 500m away and turned back after this:
https://twitter.com/NathyRebelles/status/1260644773087424512
There are more, but I can’t find them online anymore. I have one that was sent to me privately


Helicopters:
Military helicopters and Caro planes have been spotted over the area a lot since then. I assumed this would be normale with a military ammunitions factory nearby, but one resident answered me this when I asked her if this is a normal thing: “It’s very rare that helicopters fly over this area. First time I see”

https://twitter.com/tonssouza/status/1260699448080039937
https://twitter.com/vitoria72148849/status/1260597890495496194
https://twitter.com/veganastrologik/status/1260601005093330944
https://twitter.com/LuisLipeMir/status/1260599640770187267
https://twitter.com/diegodnt/status/1260522832045498368
https://twitter.com/Oz27252375/status/1260659393248423941
https://twitter.com/TZ2Mat/status/1260605390917709827
https://twitter.com/GuedesAndree/status/1260600467828224000
https://twitter.com/Felixxx16703103/status/1261738739556114433
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1629621760644611/permalink/2605660133040764/
I personally received even more videos of hovering choppers over the area and a couple flying much, much lower than in these videos.


Investigations
In this video there are 3 different reports of investigations on the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zjFtTaNAc

- 5-10 min: witness account of Marcelo: This witness tells the investigators he saw one reddish object with 2 helicopters circling/chasing it. Later 2 more helicopters showed up. Compare this to the 4 videos above that were taken on the night.
- 14-22 minutes: The group visits IMBEL and gets to ask a spokeswoman a few questions about what happened. She denies everything and says there’s nothing out of the ordinary going on. Compare this to the many videos of military helicopters coming in and going out, coupled with the testimony that this is not a regular thing for this town. Afterwards the researcher talked about her body language and how she looked nervous.
- 27-28 minutes: He asks a woman if the explosion sounds that are coming from the factory/mountain is normal, she says no that this is not ordinary.



More investigations on the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9psNs2KetPM
Guy paragliding over the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJSmlsQOs4
Same guy talking to others about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6pIQzH2U0
Locals talking near entrance of IMBEL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB07PR0fJU4
More locals talking at IMBEL: https://www.facebook.com/danybragafotografia/videos/4045047782201931/


Obvious fakes / Other events
One thing a few people have mentioned to me is how much they love memes and stirring up confusion in Brazil. If you go on Twitter and search for posts using hashtags #MageUFO #MageOVNI this becomes clear. You have to sift through a lot of bull**** just to get to some real reports. These are some of the fakes that have been making the rounds and are more widespread than others:

Supposed crash site: https://twitter.com/tobamu1978/status/1260783356905754624. Looks an obvious fake, like a bowl half buried in some dirt: https://images2.imgbox.com/0c/8e/Gc5i5i8P_o.jpg
Supposed Military audio conversation: https://twitter.com/shinestarll/status/1260679053822042118 Many Brazilian people on social media have already said these people do not talk like military, the language used is very informal like 2 friends talking slang with each other. Also, everyone I've personally asked this agreed it was obviously fake.
Google Image glitch: https://i.imgur.com/Ww8cC0J.png. Been there for years, the house pictured has reflective material on the roof. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dXyoMsIwE
Supposed Alien being: A photoshoot in German woods, about 2/3rds of the way down on this link: https://www.langweiledich.net/wirre-fotografie-elene-usdin/

[Did You See Them]

Thanks Deneon.
A great summary of events so far.
If something has come down which is looking highly likely, it seems they are going to be hard pressed recovering it without witnesses.
Can I ask if there are any credible reports you have come across as to the presence of bodies or E.T's or do those reports also fall into the category of disinformation surrounding this event ?

[Star Tsar]

A historical perspective!


It's [Redacted].

Brazil’s Forgotten UFO Files

Published 17th May 2020

0:00 Magé, Brazil rumored UFO crash and intro
0:41 São Sebastião craft landing and entry case
4:15 Barra da Tijuca flying saucer photographs
6:01 Spheres with antennae seen multiple places
7:18 Two-meter tall beings described in 1967 entry
7:58 Three humanoids standing near landed craft, Air Force file
8:24 Operation Prato/Operation Plate

Rumors are circulating online of a UFO crash near Magė, Brazil, but we have no concrete evidence of anything. That doesn’t mean the country is lacking in detailed, documented UFO cases though.

rarely-seen declassified documents disclose significant encounters in the country, including encounters with humanoids by educated observers, photo evidence of a flying disc deemed "legitimate" by the Brazilian Air Force, sightings of spheres that mirror those seen as recently as 2014 California, and the famous "Operation Plate."

While the origin of the sightings isn't determined, it does tell us two things: Brazil is a hot spot for UFO activity, and the country's military takes the phenomenon very seriously.

1956, Sao Sebastiao coast; professor enters disc for 40 minutes before leaving: https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/1956_ENVELOPE_04.pdf

Barra da Tijuca case with photos (in thumbnail): https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/1952_ENVELOPE_01.pdf

USAF/Condon analysis of Barra da Tijuca (Case 48): https://archive.org/details/DTIC_AD0680976/page/n215/mode/2up/search/barra

SIOANI, UAP study project in Brazil in 1970s: https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/1969_BOLETIM_SIOANI.pdf

Landing of craft with 2 meter tall beings: https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/CENDOC_ENVELOPE_02_1971.pdf

Operation Prato: https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/CENDOC_ENVELOPE_10_1978.pdf

*All documents originally obtained from the Brazilian Government by researcher A.J. Gevaerd and archived by John Greenewald at The Black Vault.

SLR7M0uvw_o

[Deneon]

Thanks Deneon.
A great summary of events so far.
If something has come down which is looking highly likely, it seems they are going to be hard pressed recovering it without witnesses.
Can I ask if there are any credible reports you have come across as to the presence of bodies or E.T's or do those reports also fall into the category of disinformation surrounding this event ?

The only source of talk about bodies that I have come across is the supposedly leaked audio fragment of the military. And that is widely considered to be fake.

[prc]

I have tried to follow this pretty closely. I don't speak a word of Portuguese but I have a friend who does, so we've kind of made a thing to try and find as much information about this as possible. I've talked to a couple of locals online as well and all of them are pretty convinced that something out of the ordinary is going on.

There are a couple posts on Reddit that have tried to make sense of much of the information. Most of the info posted comes from Twitter, Facebook or things shared in Whatsapp and Telegram groups. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of coordination on a research effort yet. I’ll try and list some of the bullet points. I will link to Twitter and Facebook feeds and hope that will work.

SUMMARY:

Around 1am local time on the night of the 13th may, people are wakened by aircraft/helicopter noise over their town. Some take video of an unknown reddish object being circled/chased by 4 helicopters
The object goes down near a military ammunitions factory, aka IMBEL
The next morning, loud bangs and noises are heard and smoke is seen in the vicinity
From that moment on, military helicopters are seen flying into and out of the area. This continued for days and might still be ongoing


Location

Mountains behind the IMBEL factory near Mage: https://www.google.nl/maps/@-22.5768529,-43.1873019,3a,75y,338.23h,85.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVKVf61Boy4atExNysaUSSA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DVKVf61Boy4atE xNysaUSSA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26y aw%3D138.69098%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
This may be unrelated but worth mentioning: IMBEL celebrated its 212th anniversary on May 12th 2020 (Source: https://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php/noticias-imbel/311). The skeptic in me would say that this would be a good time to showcase some new weapon or tech or whatever, which could maybe explain some of the things people were seeing and hearing. On the other hand, the few people I’ve talked to have told me there were no celebrations, helicopters, explosions or gunshots in other years.


UFO and crash
This twitter account assembled some of different lights in the sky. hese 4 below seem to be showing the same thing. (There are more than just these 4 videos, but they look to be from other events and just add to the confusion)

https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260531694895013888
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260533197336711168
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260532147225612290
https://twitter.com/NatanielyS2/status/1260532583978414081

This video shows flashes of light on the other side of the mountain, supposedly from the object going down:

https://twitter.com/RobertBragaC/status/1260390462990450689

Couple days later, people found a ‘hole’ in the canopy of the jungle and damages trees

Here are some pictures: https://i.imgur.com/9P3yhGo.jpg
Here is a video: https://www.facebook.com/ufologiariopreto/videos/563416971259858/



Explosions
The next morning explosions are heard and recorded multiple times. Again, with a ammunitions factory nearby my first assumption would be that this is a normal thing. Residents seem to agree that this is not the case though.

This one is at the entrance of IMBEL, smoke is seen and explosions or gunshots are heard: https://twitter.com/tobamu1978/status/1260732942558670848
This is a group of friends that went to investigate and wanted to get close to the site. They were about 500m away and turned back after this:
https://twitter.com/NathyRebelles/status/1260644773087424512
There are more, but I can’t find them online anymore. I have one that was sent to me privately


Helicopters:
Military helicopters and Caro planes have been spotted over the area a lot since then. I assumed this would be normale with a military ammunitions factory nearby, but one resident answered me this when I asked her if this is a normal thing: “It’s very rare that helicopters fly over this area. First time I see”

https://twitter.com/tonssouza/status/1260699448080039937
https://twitter.com/vitoria72148849/status/1260597890495496194
https://twitter.com/veganastrologik/status/1260601005093330944
https://twitter.com/LuisLipeMir/status/1260599640770187267
https://twitter.com/diegodnt/status/1260522832045498368
https://twitter.com/Oz27252375/status/1260659393248423941
https://twitter.com/TZ2Mat/status/1260605390917709827
https://twitter.com/GuedesAndree/status/1260600467828224000
https://twitter.com/Felixxx16703103/status/1261738739556114433
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1629621760644611/permalink/2605660133040764/
I personally received even more videos of hovering choppers over the area and a couple flying much, much lower than in these videos.


Investigations
In this video there are 3 different reports of investigations on the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zjFtTaNAc

- 5-10 min: witness account of Marcelo: This witness tells the investigators he saw one reddish object with 2 helicopters circling/chasing it. Later 2 more helicopters showed up. Compare this to the 4 videos above that were taken on the night.
- 14-22 minutes: The group visits IMBEL and gets to ask a spokeswoman a few questions about what happened. She denies everything and says there’s nothing out of the ordinary going on. Compare this to the many videos of military helicopters coming in and going out, coupled with the testimony that this is not a regular thing for this town. Afterwards the researcher talked about her body language and how she looked nervous.
- 27-28 minutes: He asks a woman if the explosion sounds that are coming from the factory/mountain is normal, she says no that this is not ordinary.



More investigations on the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9psNs2KetPM
Guy paragliding over the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJSmlsQOs4
Same guy talking to others about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6pIQzH2U0
Locals talking near entrance of IMBEL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB07PR0fJU4
More locals talking at IMBEL: https://www.facebook.com/danybragafotografia/videos/4045047782201931/


Obvious fakes / Other events
One thing a few people have mentioned to me is how much they love memes and stirring up confusion in Brazil. If you go on Twitter and search for posts using hashtags #MageUFO #MageOVNI this becomes clear. You have to sift through a lot of bull**** just to get to some real reports. These are some of the fakes that have been making the rounds and are more widespread than others:

Supposed crash site: https://twitter.com/tobamu1978/status/1260783356905754624. Looks an obvious fake, like a bowl half buried in some dirt: https://images2.imgbox.com/0c/8e/Gc5i5i8P_o.jpg
Supposed Military audio conversation: https://twitter.com/shinestarll/status/1260679053822042118 Many Brazilian people on social media have already said these people do not talk like military, the language used is very informal like 2 friends talking slang with each other. Also, everyone I've personally asked this agreed it was obviously fake.
Google Image glitch: https://i.imgur.com/Ww8cC0J.png. Been there for years, the house pictured has reflective material on the roof. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dXyoMsIwE
Supposed Alien being: A photoshoot in German woods, about 2/3rds of the way down on this link: https://www.langweiledich.net/wirre-fotografie-elene-usdin/

That´s why I do not attempt to translate the audios for yourself or for those who come to this thread, because they are full of slangs.

IMBEL belongs to the Brazilian Army, all the employees are from the Army or civil servants, obviously they won´t talk anything because they could lose their jobs.

[Deneon]

Some of the latest news I’ve been hearing.

One of the employees at the IMBEL factory has died in an accident on the explosions testing grounds in the past few days: Official statement here: https://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php/noticias-imbel/313

There’s new leaked audio, supposedly taken in a bar where employees from IMBEL come more often: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N339XgZs3OY
Authenticity of this is obviously not confirmed. Someone talks about the supposed events and tells us amongst other things that:
- The downed craft has a drop shape, not a saucer shape, and seems to be able to change shape
- At least one being has survived
- There have been human injuries in interactions with that being, amongst others a local farmer who is in shock and still is
- Other people who are hospitalised have said they’ve only seen a very bright light
- The explosion sounds being heard were supposedly humans shooting at the craft when it started to emit a strong blue light

Other unconfirmed reports I’ve been told about:
- Supposedly it was 3 UFOs and two military choppers that first night, and one of the 3 UFOs got downed
- Supposedly the downed UFO is from another ‘group’ as the two other UFOs
- American military aircraft have been spotted at Cabo Frio Airport near Rio de Janeiro
- Helicopters are still over the area to this day, doesn’t seem to be over yet

I have not been able to find the source of these stories. Everything is hearsay in group chats, so these really can’t be taken at face value. I’m not done searching though and am trying to find out where these stories come from.

Then just now, one of the UFO groups investigating this, received an anonymous message. They are currently checking authenticity and trying to investigate the source, but it is interesting and detailed to say the least. Facebook translates the text as following:

"Hello! I am military military! I will bring up to date information so that the whole Brazilian population can learn about the inexplicable events that occurred in the region and that all residents can have access the truth of the facts that happened in the municipality of Magé in Rio de Janeiro. Initially I will draw a timeline so everyone can understand what was happening. On April 20, 2020, US military satellites detected a strong presence of activities of unexplained aerial phenomena in some states of Brazil. They are: Paraná, São Paulo, Minas Gerais, Amapá and Rio de Janeiro. On April 21, 2020, the United States Department of Defense-Pentagon - (Pentagon), following international protocols determined by (NATO) in Portuguese NATO, informed the Brazilian Ministry of Defense and the Joint Staff of the Armed Forces (EMCFA) for military air patrol in the Rio de Janeiro region to be intensified as there would be an increase in the activities of this phenomenon in this region. Immediately it was determined by (EMCFA) that military air patrol would be intensified in Rio de Janeiro with support of fab air base in Santa Cruz-RJ and the Naval Air Base of São Pedro da Villadeia RJ. On May 2020, 2020, the radar of CINDACTA 1 detected strong activity of unknown aerial phenomena in Rio de Janeiro in the cities of Araruama, Waterfalls de Macacu, Sumidouro, and the Metropolitan Region, so the military reported TO THE COMDABRA Already on May 12, 2020, the DTCEA-PCO do Pico do Couto in Petrópolis-RJ, detected the increase in unexplained activities in a very intense way in the region. Around 20 pm this day the American Military informed Brasilia the fall of an object (UFO) in a region of woods in the municipality of Magé-RJ. United States Department of Defense determined that General John Raymond would move 20 Special Forces military personnel, 10 of which were 26 military of the Space Force (Space Force) and 10 Space Aggressor Squadron, commanded by Captain Barnes. In the early hours of May 13, 2020, the American Military landed at a military base of the state of São Paulo and moved on fab planes to a military base in Rio de Janeiro. Operation was baptized with the code name "Organ Range" Serra do organs. It is important to stress that Brazilian Military provided only logistical support. The Americans reported that the visits of these objects to Earth has been increasingly frequent in the world and that upon arriving at the crash site it was found that there were three "Intruders" on the broken ship. So, at about 19 pm the military with advanced technological apparatos and unknown by the Brazilian military, intercepted and shot down a humanoid being of approximately two meters high in the region of farm of Entrerios in the municipality of Guapimirim-RJ, near to the superb river coordinates-22.485839,-43.018396. The other two beings were captured alive and injured in the Guapiaçu Region in the municipality of Waterfalls de Macacu-RJ, coordinates-22.440373,-42.769413, and transported along with All displacement material from the "Intruders" to American Military Base, on May 14, 2020. All American Military has already left Brazil. Only military helicopters from the country patrol the region. Following this incident there were no new expressive reports of sighting of unexplained phenomena in the region. Strong Arm, Friend Hand!! Serve and Protect!! And. B."

[JDarktide]

There is a very good podcast on this event. Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis. Pod cast from the 18th. Can be heard on a free app called 'paranormal radio'. Check it out. They say they downed something, apparently there are witnesses. Someone said the craft were acting hostile? It is also reported that 3 humanoid characters about 2 meters tall were encountered after blasting into the object. One was shot, one fled into the forest. Not sure on the other one. In the videos you can hear them trying to blast into something.

[Did You See Them]

Why are so few people here not interested in responding to this ?
What you say Bill - any input ?
Move on or investigate ?

Thanks Deneom

[Deneon]

There is a very good podcast on this event. Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis. Pod cast from the 18th. Can be heard on a free app called 'paranormal radio'. Check it out. They say they downed something, apparently there are witnesses. Someone said the craft were acting hostile? It is also reported that 3 humanoid characters about 2 meters tall were encountered after blasting into the object. One was shot, one fled into the forest. Not sure on the other one. In the videos you can hear them trying to blast into something.

I listened to that podcast, and it actually cleared up a few things. For one, they reveal the source of that anonymous statement. It was actually posted as a comment on a Youtube video of one the participants of an earlier podcast about this event.

We now have 4 sources of much of this new information:
* Leaked audio recording of a military guy in a bar telling someone what he has seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N339XgZs3OY
* Call to an open lines section of a podcast about this event, Sunday evening. Skip to 2hrs 32 minutes in: https://youtu.be/rIgX8rlw7yQ?t=9148
* Anonymous message from a military man sent as a YouTube comment on a recent podcast: http://wasistdaspodcast.idoknowbetter.com/2020/05/18/an-update-on-the-ufo-crash-in-mage-brazil/
* Facebook post of someone who heard this story told by a friend: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1234070456983354/permalink/1343377006052698/

There’s a lot of corroborations in these 4 sources. Much of the info is the same in all 4 stories. If we assume these last 4 reports are true (and that’s a *BIG* if), the following can be put together with this information:

* US DoD and military is heavily involved, both in observing foreign airspace and in taking care in cleanup of the downed craft. According to this information, US DoD have seen an increase of unusual activity over the past few weeks in the area, and was in contact with Brazil about it. This unusual activity peaked around may 12.
* US DoD knew there was a downed craft around 8pm and told Brazil DoD about it. US military sent special troops to the area, supposedly in an operation called Organ Range (named after the area, Serra de Organ). According to the anonymous statement, Brazil forces are only supporting the US forces with logistics, but it is their operation.
* The craft is described as drop-shaped, not saucer shaped. It can apparently change shape too. It is partly submerged in a stream or river.
* Sometimes it flashes brightly and supposedly this is when the military started to shoot it or throw explosives. At some point they tried to blow the craft open. These are the sounds you hear in the different videos. According to the guy in the bar, this is why residents heard gunshots and explosions.
* The caller explained that when they blew the door open, 3 aliens came out, one was shot dead, and 2 others escaped into the forest.
* Two other sources agree that one was executed and 2 escaped and were later caught alive. This would all have happened on May 13th. All four sources talk about beings having survived the crash, 3 of which mention specifically that one was killed and 2 escaped and were caught later, alive.
* One source commented on the advanced weapons the US forces used to capture and kill the beings and that the weapons are unknown to Brazil forces.
* The anonymous statement even gives coordinates of where the being was killed and where the alive ones were captured. This happened around 30km and 60km away from the IMBEL factory where the initial crash site is thought to have been.
* The beings were able to injure humans with a bright blue light. In the leaked audio the guy talks about one farmer being hit with a beam, and he’s supposedly in a coma in a military hospital.
* The beings are about 2m tall, “like basketball players” one said. She also said she overheard the Americans talking and saying that they are “all over the place”
* By may 14th, the US military has already left the area, according to the anonymous statement.

Now, this is a lot, obviously. This needs to be further investigated. Luckily, there are people following up on this. One guy I spoke to thinks he has identified the farmer they talk about. They went to that farm and the farmer was not home or anywhere on his property. He found that very unusual. Another group went to IMBEL to try and talk to any employees. When they asked one employee leaving the factory about this, the answer was “I can’t talk about”. Not “there’s nothing going on” or “what are you talking about”, but “I can’t talk about it”.

There are a few apparent discrepancies between this new info and what the original witnesses reported.
* For one, according to this statement there was already a downed object at 8pm. The videos and witness statements are all from around 1am, so 5 hours later.
* Another thing is that some of early reports said the disc crashed in a river. However, at IMBEL, there is no river visible on any map. Locals I’ve spoken to say there is a stream on the IMBEL factory property, although it is not deep enough to have a craft partly submerged in it. These new 4 sources talk again of a craft being partly submerged in a river. The coordinates 30 km away from the original crash site, DO point to an exact spot in a river.
* But, the explosions are clearly (also?) heard near IMBEL. According to the caller, the one being that was executed happened right where the craft was and where they blew the craft open with explosives. According to the anonymous statement, the being was executed around 30 km further away. So either the craft was also 30 km away and the explosions at IMBEL are something else, or the craft was at IMBEL and the execution of the being near the craft is a different event from the killed alien 30 kms to the northeast of IMBEL.

So we have explosions near IMBEL that supposedly are attempts to blow the craft open, but the location for the being that was killed is 30km northeast of IMBEL. We have one crash near 1am and another report saying the object was already down 5 hour before that. How do we reconcile those differences?

One theory put forth by researchers I’ve talked to, is that the whole scene at IMBEL, with the lights in the sky, the explosions, gunshots, smoke, etc etc, was just a deliberate distraction orchestrated by the military, to deviate the attention away from the ACTUAL crash site, 30 km to the northwest. That is a location where there *is* a river that should be deep enough for a craft to be partly submerged in, where the first alien was actually executed according to the given coordinates, and nearer to the location where the 2 aliens that escaped were later caught alive.

Another option might be that there are multiple events happening at the same time. Not only would that explain the time difference, it would also explain the distance between the crash site at IMBEL and the locations where the beings were supposedly shot and caught. 

[Star Tsar]

What is the consensus?


The Richard Dolan Show

Intelligent Disclosure | Brazilian UFO - Crash Or Hoax?

Streamed & Published 19th May 2020

A number of reports and claims out of the Rio de Janeiro region of Brazil have stated that a UFO crashed sometime after midnight on May 12, 2020. This was reported early on at Reddit and then elsewhere, receiving coverage in local Brazilian media and then elsewhere. But is it true? There are good reasons to be very careful about this story.

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[aoibhghaire]

I've just had private correspondence in the last 24 hours with A.J. Gevaerd, the leading Ufologist in Brazil. Gevaerd and his team investigated the case.

According to A.J. Gevaerd its all fake.

It originally came from a fake audio someone posted on the web about the crash of a UFO. Then it became hysteria, with many many people making all sorts of affirmations, added to videos that are supposed to be from Mage, Rio, but it can be from anywhere, all very well explained.

[Deneon]

I’m really curious what had led him to this conclusion. Yes, amid real videos posted, there were obviously fake ones too. The audio you referred to is clearly fake. So is the supposed UFO video that Richard Dolan used as a thumbnail for this video. There are fake pictures of alien beings, a meteor video that’s from weeks earlier, a video of nighttime skydivers that’s from months earlier in another country etc etc. In other words, a lot of sh*t and a lot of distractions.

However, to simply dismiss this whole event based on the fakes above, is in my opinion very shortsighted. I have talked to a fair number of people around the area where this went down, and they all agree that *something* has happened. Sure there is a lot of unconfirmed reports, especially from the more fantastical aspects of this story. But even if you leave all of that out, you are still left with dozens of people having seen strange lights, sounds and objects crashing.

In my opinion there are 4 things that anyone can just look up and make it very hard to dismiss this event as being "nothing"

Multiple lights/objects in the sky: Many videos are shared on Twitter around the same time of multiple lights in the sky. Dozens of Twitter users shared these. Many of these are still online. These videos are out there and it’s too many all published around the same time to just dismiss them all as fake or from another event.
Military helicopters in the area: The next days there is a lot of military helicopters in the area. Also many people have filmed this. I have personally spoken to a couple of people from the area and they have sent me more videos of these helicopters, coming in, hovering over the jungle, and going away. *Everyone* I have talked to says this is very unusual. One witness told me she had never seen these helicopters in the area before. These videos are out there, you cannot deny the military presence.
Explosions/gunshots in the area: There are explosions and gunshots heard in multiple videos in the area the next day. Again, everyone Ive spoken has told me that this is not a regular occurrence. You can debate whether or not these explosions have anything to do with a downed UFO, but they DID happen and have been caught on camera by multiple, different sources.
Witness testimony: There is ALOT of testimony from a lot of different witnesses. Too much to dismiss in my opinion.


Now, you can make the case that all 4 of these don’t actually prove that a UFO crashed. That’s true. What it *does* prove to me is that it’s not nothing. Something out of the ordinary has happened and it’s not just mass hysteria based on a fake audio file, of that I’m sure.

Maybe it’s because I have talked to a couple locals that I’m convinced of that. But I think even just watching some of the videos of witnesses talking about what they’ve seen, would be enough to convince anyone that they’ve seen something. Here’s just some of the videos about witnesses and witness testimony:


TV Interview with the guy that made the video with the bright blue light: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8I-2WYhCPw
Audio testimony of multiple witnesses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngos4RKLMLk
Video witness testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGnwYAqk5bI
IMBEL press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5n_qi4Tnvw
More people talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9psNs2KetPM
More testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDiOJSIh5uo
More witnesses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6pIQzH2U0
More: https://www.facebook.com/ufologiariopreto/videos/3048245951862401/
More: https://www.facebook.com/danybragafotografia/videos/4045047782201931/


So.. to be clear: not saying it was a UFO, but you can’t say it was “nothing”.

[aoibhghaire]

Deneon, just following up from your interesting research and results. I'm still on the fence with this story.

I just got a message from A. J. Gevaerd that he has posted a video in English for international viewers.
The video was released about an one hour ago.

"UFO CRASH IN MAGÉ, BRAZIL? NOT AT ALL. ONLY LIES, RUMORS AND FABRICATIONS"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW89gl0CqZA

Transcript from A. J. Gevaerd

A. J. Gevaerd, editor of the Brazilian UFO Magazine (www.ufo.com.br), the oldest UFO publication in the world still circulating, since 1985. My team and I have intensively investigated this alleged case and found out that it is a TOTAL HOAX. It started with a fake audio about a supposed UFO crash published over the net, later assumed to be a fabrication by the author, a lady.

And then the story got bigger and bigger every day, with many alleged witnesses making all sorts of claims, all disconnected from each other, all exaggerated, all crazy stuff and a lot of lies. Some people even said things like they were “hearing” telepathically request for help from aliens inside the alleged object crashed, or that there were children in the alleged object crashed crying for help, or that the aliens onboard the alleged object crashed are predatory and eat human meet. All fabrications an exaggeration, as anyone can see.

Then came the videos, most of them are not even from that location, and all of them were fully explained by our analysts. The explosion was not any explosion at all. The area has a facility of the Brazilian Army that produces explosives, fire guns, rifles, grenades, explosives etc. And, of course, as a military facility, it is well protected. Therefore, nobody could get in. As nobody was arrested by the military, as some say. The alleged explosion heard were explosive and/or fire gun tests that can be heard almost every day there.

No alien or military drones-like spacecraft in the sky either, as some people claimed. And the stories that the military have been shooting people’s drones trying to access the location are also a fabrication. Some people claimed that the “explosion” and “crash”, that never happened, could be the crash of a fuel tank from a Chinese rocket. It was not confirmed in anyway either. And if it were so, why would the military hide it? Also, there were no helicopters, no troops, no nothing.

A few days ago, something happened that fueled the story: the death of one employee of that military facility, accidentally. So, immediately people willing to spread more false rumors in this set of lies made a “connection” between the death and the alleged case. Well, the military were fully transparent about the death and published it publicly, as it is their duty.

It is unanimous conclusion among the main and more respected UFO researchers in Brazil that it is nothing than a BIG HOAX. Only a few unrecognized and apprentice researchers, along with people willing to get likes in their videos, still say otherwise. My team in preparing a full report in English about it, although I really believe it is a waste of time and effort. To finish, it is one more BIG HOAX that Ufology suffers.

[JDarktide]

Mixing in fake vids and details in with the real is a common strategy to keep investigators off target. I think there is something going on, with so many witnesses. I'm fairly new here and you all do an amazing job with analysis. It is a pleasure to read.

[Deneon]

Yes I've seen that report. It truly, utterly baffles me. I don't understand how he can come to this conclusion. Also, I don't understand why he would so aggressively make this statement either. It's just so weird..



A. J. Gevaerd, editor of the Brazilian UFO Magazine (www.ufo.com.br), the oldest UFO publication in the world still circulating, since 1985. My team and I have intensively investigated this alleged case and found out that it is a TOTAL HOAX. It started with a fake audio about a supposed UFO crash published over the net, later assumed to be a fabrication by the author, a lady.

Yes, this audio is clearly fake. Everyone I've spoken to agrees on that. Although according to what I've seen and heard, it didn't START with this audio. The sightings came first, then this supposed audio was leaked.


And then the story got bigger and bigger every day, with many alleged witnesses making all sorts of claims, all disconnected from each other, all exaggerated, all crazy stuff and a lot of lies. Some people even said things like they were “hearing” telepathically request for help from aliens inside the alleged object crashed, or that there were children in the alleged object crashed crying for help, or that the aliens onboard the alleged object crashed are predatory and eat human meet. All fabrications an exaggeration, as anyone can see.

I have talked to a lot of people, watched alot of videos and listened to alot of audio. All of these claims I have not heard anywhere in any credible witness reports. I have no idea where this comes from.



Then came the videos, most of them are not even from that location, and all of them were fully explained by our analysts. The explosion was not any explosion at all. The area has a facility of the Brazilian Army that produces explosives, fire guns, rifles, grenades, explosives etc. And, of course, as a military facility, it is well protected. Therefore, nobody could get in. As nobody was arrested by the military, as some say. The alleged explosion heard were explosive and/or fire gun tests that can be heard almost every day there.

By all means, if you have an explanation for all of the videos, let's see them. What about these two videos: https://twitter.com/naoehogui/status/1261592304059645952?s=20? The show what many witnesses described, a very bright white blueish light coming from the crash site. What 'rational' explanation is there? Especially because this is on the other side of the mountain than where the IMBEL factory is.

Now, explosions at the ammunitions factory the next day for testing, sure that is a rational explanation and I can get behind that. Even if the residents say that doesn't usually happen.


No alien or military drones-like spacecraft in the sky either, as some people claimed. And the stories that the military have been shooting people’s drones trying to access the location are also a fabrication. Some people claimed that the “explosion” and “crash”, that never happened, could be the crash of a fuel tank from a Chinese rocket. It was not confirmed in anyway either. And if it were so, why would the military hide it? Also, there were no helicopters, no troops, no nothing.

I've heard of drones being shot down in the area, but not from first-hand sources. Don't know anything about a chinese rocket, at least not from the 12th of may. It seems something from the atmosphere (meteorite/space debris) did crash in april in the area, and there's a video going around of that. Again, a fake video in between the real ones, which he chooses to focus on instead of the dozens of videos showing multiple lights in the sky.

Now, the claim that there were no helicopters.. I'm sorry, but that is blatantly not true. Dozens upon dozens of videos are on Twitter. Talk to anyone from the area and they will tell you that there are military helicopters in the are to this day. On Flightradar24 there were military planes and helicopters flying in the area. I have seen at least 20 different videos of choppers in the area. This is the one thing that makes me distrust his whole "investigation" and therefore I also doubt his conclusion.


A few days ago, something happened that fueled the story: the death of one employee of that military facility, accidentally. So, immediately people willing to spread more false rumors in this set of lies made a “connection” between the death and the alleged case. Well, the military were fully transparent about the death and published it publicly, as it is their duty.

This is true of course, accidents do happen. And maybe it doesn't mean anything that his sister is calling out for a proper investigation on his death on her Facebook, who knows. It seems to suggest she has her doubts if it was an accident or not.


It is unanimous conclusion among the main and more respected UFO researchers in Brazil that it is nothing than a BIG HOAX. Only a few unrecognized and apprentice researchers, along with people willing to get likes in their videos, still say otherwise. My team in preparing a full report in English about it, although I really believe it is a waste of time and effort. To finish, it is one more BIG HOAX that Ufology suffers.

Unanimous among main and more respected researchers... whatever that means. I can list 100 people that are investigating this ON THE SCENE and wholeheartedly disagree, but I guess that doesn't mean anything since they're not respected.

He mentions all the fake videos put out there, all the bull**** testimony, talks about the death of a factory worker, as if that's what all this event is based on. He completely ignores the massive amount of witnesses, massive amounts of lights in the sky being shared and massive amount of testimony and video of military helicopters in the area.

[aoibhghaire]

Deneon, I emailed A. J. Gevaerd to see what he thinks of the points you raised.

[Did You See Them]

It's almost as if Mr A. J. Gevaerd is filling in what could be some of the missing details knowing his new info would raise enough suspicion that he is being pressured to dismiss the whole event.
2m Tall, gangly basketball player like child napping, telepathic, human eating aliens with blue ray guns - what next ?
I doubt even Mr Goode would even want to spin this into HIS narrative although TTSA prob would !

[palehorse]

Interesting, seems like the Americans were testing something in Brazil, if you check the flight radar there was an US aircraft on International Airport of Cabo Frio RJ, I could not get the model of the aircraft, but it was not moving, it was just there sitting, no other flights recorded were observed, no commercial flights no nothing, for my surprise today I re-check the flight radar and the US aircraft gonna! It was sitting there for days, now poof!

[aoibhghaire]

I got a response email today from A. J. Gevaerd

thanks for the message.

The contents of the DOC you attached is wrong in so many ways, as well as distorted, exaggerated and creative.

It certainly must have come from someone who still support the alleged Mage Case, which is quite natural. Whoever is defending the authenticity of that “case” wont drop the bone. These are fanatic guys who will go all their lives supporting a hoax.

The claim “I can list 100 people that are investigating this on the scene” is absolutely false, to mention one single discrepancy in this story. These maybe people “talking” about the case, promoting rumors, making claims etc, but definitely, not “investigating”.

See, I have though on preparing a full report in English about it, but I really believe it is a waste of time and effort. We have so many better things to do.

I am cc’ing this to my coeditor Thiago. He can help you a little more.

[Deneon]

Well, I guess that settles it then. He has clearly looked at everything, went through all the bullet points, and gave clear explanations for everything that's been put out there. :clapping:

[aoibhghaire]

Deneon, I got a private email today from Thiago Luiz Ticchetti in Brazil,

As Gevaerd said, we tried to collect all the information related to this fact (in fact it seems that there was no fact) and everything was disconnected. There is no common thread. All information is divergent and without any basis. What we have are audios (which are simply audios and anyone can do it at any time), some of which are fraud; filming of lights (one being the planet Venus, another from a lamppost, others from a luminous sphere in the distance that can be anything) that people claim to be linked to the fall of the UFO (what fall ??); old images on the Internet of an alien on a stretcher, the sound of explosions coming from IMBEL (an industry that produces the armaments and munitions of the Brazilian armed forces) - well, there is a place where explosions are made for testing.

With a country (Brazil) where there are more cell phones than people, it would be virtually impossible that anyone had filmed something, no military movements, helicopters in the sky or anything out of the ordinary.

All the "evidence" defended by those who still refuse to see the truth, is being overturned daily.

It's amazing how social media demonstrates yet again that sensationalism is far more widespread than serious and honest UFO investigations.

I ask Jan and the others to stop feeding this fraud. THERE IS NOTHING of extraterrestrial origin in this case! Nothing!

Regards,

Thiago Luiz Ticchetti
Coeditor Revista UFO
Presidente da Comissão Brasileira de Ufólogos (CBU)
MUFON's Assistant National Director of Brazil
MUFON Field Investigator
MUFON STAR Team

[JDarktide]

Have this A. J. Gevaerd, and Thiago Luiz Ticchetti made a public statement anywhere? With all the people saying there is something going on and all. I'm not actually on facebook or twitter or anything. I feel more inclined to believe people these days after the pentagon release lol. But could be just reaching here. If these events do have truth in them, I would be confused as to how we have the tech to down one of these things.

[Bill Ryan]

Have this A. J. Gevaerd, and Thiago Luiz Ticchetti made a public statement anywhere? Yes, and thanks for the good question — "AJ" posted this on YouTube yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW89gl0CqZA
His full statement, which was posted in the YouTube text:

~~~
Hello everyone, I am A. J. Gevaerd, editor of the Brazilian UFO Magazine (www.ufo.com.br (http://www.ufo.com.br)), the oldest UFO publication in the world still circulating, since 1985. My team and I have intensively investigated this alleged case and found out that it is a TOTAL HOAX. It started with a fake audio about a supposed UFO crash published over the net, later assumed to be a fabrication by the author, a lady.

And then the story got bigger and bigger every day, with many alleged witnesses making all sorts of claims, all disconnected from each other, all exaggerated, all crazy stuff and a lot of lies. Some people even said things like they were “hearing” telepathically request for help from aliens inside the alleged object crashed, or that there were children in the alleged object crashed crying for help, or that the aliens onboard the alleged object crashed are predatory and eat human meet. All fabrications an exaggeration, as anyone can see.

Then came the videos, most of them are not even from that location, and all of them were fully explained by our analysts. The explosion was not any explosion at all. The area has a facility of the Brazilian Army that produces explosives, fire guns, rifles, grenades, explosives etc. And, of course, as a military facility, it is well protected. Therefore, nobody could get in. As nobody was arrested by the military, as some say. The alleged explosion heard were explosive and/or fire gun tests that can be heard almost every day there.

No alien or military drones-like spacecraft in the sky either, as some people claimed. And the stories that the military have been shooting people’s drones trying to access the location are also a fabrication. Some people claimed that the “explosion” and “crash”, that never happened, could be the crash of a fuel tank from a Chinese rocket. It was not confirmed in anyway either. And if it were so, why would the military hide it? Also, there were no helicopters, no troops, no nothing.

A few days ago, something happened that fueled the story: the death of one employee of that military facility, accidentally. So, immediately people willing to spread more false rumors in this set of lies made a “connection” between the death and the alleged case. Well, the military were fully transparent about the death and published it publicly, as it is their duty.

It is unanimous conclusion among the main and more respected UFO researchers in Brazil that it is nothing than a BIG HOAX. Only a few unrecognized and apprentice researchers, along with people willing to get likes in their videos, still say otherwise. My team in preparing a full report in English about it, although I really believe it is a waste of time and effort. To finish, it is one more BIG HOAX that Ufology suffers.

Edit to add: my apologies! This was already in post #30 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110990-Mag---Brazil-13-May-2020--hoax-or-not--&p=1357084&viewfull=1#post1357084), as pointed out here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110990-Mag---Brazil-13-May-2020--hoax-or-not--&p=1357290&viewfull=1#post1357290) by aoibhghaire (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?28574-aoibhghaire).

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[Did You See Them]

BIG HOAX - With all due respect theres plenty of if's, but's and maybe's in his very positive assertion that this is ALL a hoax conclusion.
It may well be, but if all it takes to cover up any encounter or sighting is to swamp social media with obvious fake videos and statements to muddy the waters and then have respected researchers "investigate" for little more than a week before drawing up such a finite conclusion we will never get to the truth of such matters.
Is A J going to release any of the video interviews, "witness" statements or notes of his investigations or are we expected to just "move on" because he says so ?
Is he normally so dismissive so soon after an event ?

[aoibhghaire]

Hi Bill,

This was posted yesterday at Post #30 of the Gevaerd video and transcript.

[Did You See Them]

Hi Bill,

This was posted yesterday at Post #30 of the Gevaerd video and transcript.

Hi Aoibhghaire, what was posted at post 30 ?
Thanks in advance.
( I dont get to see the comments sections on any YT vids on my phone for some reason )

[Deneon]

There is still more info coming out on this subject. Most of it is unfortunately in Portuguese. There's very little attention being paid internationally to this event. Such a shame.

https://twitter.com/Deepneuron/status/1263130714721189888?s=20

If anyone has any connections to Deep Prasad, I'd love to have a chat with him about this.

[aoibhghaire]

Hi Did You See Them: See the link to posts #30 and Bill's #40. These are identical. They have been repeated twice on this thread.

The link posts have the transcripts for the YT vid of the Gevaerd video.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with Gevaerd and his team. I await more information from others that have more material.
It appears that the signal to noise ratio is strong more towards something that did happen, some dots provide some interesting correlations.
But it is expected a lot of stories and speculation provides a lot of noise. However, whats interesting is that it is not dying down.

I would await more investigative material before coming to a conclusion on this case.

[Deneon]

Every time I’m ready to move on from the case, some new witness testimony is coming out that corroborates just so much from what I’ve heard from other testimonies. This bright blue light is talked about by many, many people, and has even been filmed twice. These two sources talk about it again, but especially the 2nd one has some much added detail that was not available before

What I find fascinating is that there are so many similarities between these stories that there are really only 2 options:
1. Something really happened and these people all witnessed the same thing
2. All these people are involved in some sort of hoax and are coordinating their efforts with military precision with all these different people involved

I really believe number 1 is becoming the more likely explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEF6hzbSFJE

Description: Audio from a local resident who helps us in the investigation and verification of the Magé case. The audio was modified at the request of the person who prefers anonymity.
A few hours ago a couple of factory employees talked to us, but we’ve not confirmed that they are actually factory employees, but he will try to confirm that later
They said that there were Americans at the factory and that they found a tall body, not of normal length
Americans took the body, and took it away in a big car (truck?)
He asked them about the explosions and gunshots, but they didn’t answer his question
The helicopters in the area were searching for someone
When it crashed behind the mountains, there was 10 to 15 seconds of very bright light on the ground.

There is so much corroboration in this with what other witnesses reported. Especially this last bit corroborates the bright light that was also filmed from the other side of the mountain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hby1uW7uCjE&feature=youtu.be

There is a witness that claims to have filmed the UFO crashing. Unfortunately he’s not ready to disclose the video, because he is negotiating with multiple TV channels to sell his video. He has told his story though and his story is being told in this video. The video states that illustrations are merely for illustration purposes.
Maurice, 28 years old, lives in the area Fragoso in Mage, claims to have reduced the exact moment of the crash of the UFO. This is his story
Heard through whatsapp that there were lights in the sky. He then went up on his roof. He filmed the object from his roof which looked like an explosion. It was far away, because it took a few seconds for the bang of the explosion to hear after the flash of the explosion
The object fell with a trail of white smoke into the first. Then there was another explosion.
From the area where it crashed, there was a very bright blue light. This blue light went on and off for 3 times, and after that it went out completely.
He says the object has not crashed at IMBEL, but in the forest, “not far from the industry”. This sounds like a corroboration of what multiple people said is location B, behind the soda pop industrial factory area
After the object crashed, he still kept looking at the sky, and he saw other lights flying in the sky around the crash site.
He couldn’t sleep after that
Next morning he went towards the crash site, walked around, but didn’t find anything. The object fell deep in the forest and because it was nighttime when he filmed it, he wasn’t sure of the exact location.
While he was in the area, he heard helicopters flying around, and that kept hearing during the day.
When asked what exactly did he film, he says: He saw and heard the explosion in the sky, but was too late to film that. After that he started filming. So he has filmed the object falling with white smoke trail in the forest, and the blue bright light.
He sent emails to two TV channels to ask if they were interested in his footage. He says he is talking with 2 tv stations now about releasing the video
The name Maurice is a fake name. He says he wants to wait till the video is released on tv and then he wants to talk openly

Again with the blue bright light. This is very detailed testimony, that we need more of.

[Helvetic]

Source: Maussan TV youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ffFUtT43XHlccQbyWsNHA)

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[Bill Ryan]

In her 8 July 2020 livestream, Linda Howe reported on very interesting remote viewing data of the Magé incident. Start at 14:40.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gl5yWCoXt4

[ExomatrixTV]

Disturbing UFO "Evidence"?: The Magé OVNI Encounter?

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With all of the recent supposed UFO/UAP disclosure, I found the story of the mass sightings of both UFOs and UFO crash sights in Mage' Brazil in May of 2020 fascinating, because there was a massive cover up. Today we're talking about the Mage' Encounter and going over all the video evidence and testimony that was recovered from the wayback machine or archived at the time.

UFO sighting: Mysterious orb spotted in Brazil just days after alleged UFO crash cover-up
A MYSTERIOUS bright orb hovering above a village in Rio de Janeiro just days after an alleged alien UFO crash in the same area has sparked a social media frenzy.


express.co.uk/news/weird/1289207/UFO-sighting-Brazil-mysterious-orb-crash-Mage-Rio-aliens-latest (https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1289207/UFO-sighting-Brazil-mysterious-orb-crash-Mage-Rio-aliens-latest)

People are convinced a UFO crashed in Brazil


dazeddigital.com/science-tech/article/49343/1/people-are-convinced-a-ufo-crashed-in-brazil-mage (https://www.dazeddigital.com/science-tech/article/49343/1/people-are-convinced-a-ufo-crashed-in-brazil-mage)

Ufo Crash In Brazil. May 13, 2020 Youtube coverup
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UFO Over Magé, Brazil Sparks Social Media Panic and Conspiracies
The mysterious lights were seen by thousands of people, there's video evidence, and people are saying posts disappeared from social media. What happened?


vice.com/en/article/pkyy5g/ufo-over-mage-brazil-sparks-social-media-panic-and-conspiracies (https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkyy5g/ufo-over-mage-brazil-sparks-social-media-panic-and-conspiracies)
twitter.com/UFOSightings4U/status/1311052747928723456 (https://twitter.com/UFOSightings4U/status/1311052747928723456)
twitter.com/hashtag/MageUFO?src=hashtag_click (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MageUFO?src=hashtag_click)

UFO Subreddit Was Subject to Systemic Censorship
The moderators of Reddit’s UFO community automatically censored posts referring to ‘Brazil,’ ‘Navy,’ and ‘Pentagon.’


vice.com/en/article/ep4dan/ufo-subreddit-was-subject-to-systemic-censorship (https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4dan/ufo-subreddit-was-subject-to-systemic-censorship)

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My personal take on it that some of it is authentic but most not ... part CGI, part has typical hallmarks of Video Editor "Special Effects" templates ... part could be multiple drones with lights doing a formation figure demonstration ... and most people do not know how to film in the dark this so much is out of focus it is getting super annoying. The alleged blueish "crashed UFO" does not look like a "big craft" rather a TOY to pose as something bigger ... Really NOT convincing at all! And the censorship claim does not fly either!

Quote MUFON:


"The MUFON investigation team has completed its investigation of the alleged crash of a UFO near MAGÉ BRAZIL. The case, which has been widely circulated on social media outlets, has been determined to be nothing more than an elaborate hoax.
Our National Director for Brazil, A. J. Gevaerd, reported his team’s disposition to MUFON headquarters earlier this week along with a narrative describing the team’s findings. A translated summary of the narrative highlighting the salient points is provided below:
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My team and I have intensively investigated this alleged case and found out that it is a TOTAL HOAX. It started with a fake audio about a supposed UFO crash published over the net, later assumed to be a fabrication by the female author.

As time went on the story got bigger and bigger every day, with many alleged witnesses making all sorts of claims, all disconnected from each other, all exaggerated, and mostly lies. Some people even said things like they were “hearing” telepathic requests for help from aliens inside the alleged object crashed, or that there were children in the alleged object crashed crying for help, or that the aliens onboard the alleged crashed object are predatory and eat human meat". unquote



source (https://web.archive.org/web/20210304033729/https://mufon.com/ufo-news/brazilian-ufo-crash-an-elaborate-hoax)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳