Mapping the Flak . . . hotspots

[norman]

"When we're taking flak, we must be over a target".


https://www.leadershipmpact.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/flak-bait-1.jpg


This thread is to identify flak hotspots in the fields of research and public information sharing that are generally covered here at Avalon.

While there is generally a lot of censorship, I think we all know that there are some very specific hot spots.

What can we learn from looking at a hot spot map?


I'll kick things off with Vaccine criticism. That's been a no-brainer for several years.

[Gwin Ru]

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...&p=1356958&viewfull=1#post1356958) and this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...&p=1357677&viewfull=1#post1357677)...

[norman]

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...&p=1356958&viewfull=1#post1356958) and this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...&p=1357677&viewfull=1#post1357677)...


Your second link reminds me of that Jesse Ventura "Conspiracy Theory" episode that was wiped from everyone's cable/satelite TV recording hard drives, quite a few years back. I think it was the episode about fema camps and stored coffins. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Bloodiel, this is already looking bad.

[Baby Steps]

From the hordes of intelligent people on social media you get agressive nastiness if you contradict the main stream media about the pandemic. They get dissonant pretty quickly.

The platform itself deploys fact checkers to shut down info, I am seeing a preponderance of this in relation to any Doctors who contradict the script in terms of vaccines or the pandemic, the fact checker narratives are extremely deceptive and utilise changed wording and semantic tricks to take down truth.

Then theres the other one, where you are trying to share stuff and out of nowhere your internet signal gets much stronger but you cannot post. I have encountered this in relation to elite pedophilia, and the establishments protection of it.



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[Bill Ryan]

For me, the most alarming (and obvious!) thing is the co-ordinated and orchestrated mainstream reaction to apparently simple and seemingly innocuous things like Trump trying his best to talk about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).

Many of the main US media channels called it "peddling snake oil" — and so on. It was so extreme that it became a very clear red flag indicator.

Not all worldwide news media are doing this, of course, because the CIA (in the present-day version of Operation Mockingbird, the on-record infiltration of the US media by the CIA) can't control the media in every country.

But something's controlling the politicians. The language, buzz words, policies and PR adopted by the authorities in almost every first world country are near-identical. It seems pretty clear that all this is being mandated by some invisible, unnamed, senior transnational control group. I can't recall any other time when this has become so clear.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

As you and Kerry revealed so clearly in the early days of Camelot, there are no borders. The forces/powers/entities wielding power operate on a global scale, controlling resources and shaping a narrative to achieve long term objectives. They are obviously there and showing the strength of their hand.

There is clearly a global economic restructuring taking place- the very wealthy in America have seen their fortunes increase (Waltons, Bezos, Gates). There is a brutal elimination of entire small business sectors and a shifting of very many in society to government support. There is a strong attempt to mandate vaccines, if not by law, by private business (you must be vaccinated to fly, attend a sporting event or music concert, etc.). There is a near complete control and censorship of media and a concurrent programming effect on most citizens - often split along political lines. There is a full on assault on normal human interactions via the mandated masking and social distancing of citizenry. But most ominous, in my opinion, is the implementation of a new level of technology via AI systems linked to surveillence, tracking, and bio digital programming. The fact that 5 G is such a censored topic, leads me to believe that this is the most important part of what we are seeing.

[norman]

. . . The fact that 5 G is such a censored topic, leads me to believe that this is the most important part of what we are seeing.





I've not noticed 5G being a censored topic, as such, but I've noticed that making any connection between 5G and Covid-19 is savagely censored.


I'm wondering if the connection we should have a look at, when more is known after ( hopefully ) the US military do proper tests on the Gates vaccine, is a possible connection between 5G and the vaccine.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Yes, Norman, you are correct. I should have been more specific. It is the link between 5G and the possible severity of the symptoms that is censored, not just 5G itself (which is often portrayed as a wonderful improvement)

[norman]

Yes, Norman, you are correct. I should have been more specific. It is the link between 5G and the possible severity of the symptoms that is censored, not just 5G itself (which is often portrayed as a wonderful improvement)


IF the big deal is the Vaccine/5G rather than the covid/5g connection, it may not even be about the story so far about trying to explain patchy severity. It may be about what they can get up to later when the whole population has been bum rushed into having that vaccine put inside their bodies.

[norman]

But anyway, let's broaden out the range of stuff that's causing flak. So far, other than Pedo fear at the top, we've really only covered viruses and vaccines.

[periol]

I'm new to the forum, though I've been trying to read thoroughly to have an idea of what the community is like. Thanks for this place, and thanks for having me!

I am seriously convinced bots are generating most of the content on the internet.

I deleted my reddit account last year, because I became very convinced that most of the "people" writing comments were actually bots. I did a few tests, and decided I didn't want to be part of it. But I've kept going back for news, because there are exactly zero people I trust in the media to explain what is happening in the world. Recently, I came across a few obscure posts where other folks were posting results of their own tests, showing that most of the "people" writing on reddit have to be bots. They're too fast to be human.

When I say most, we're talking north of 60% at least. This has to be true, if not worse, on Twitter as well. Facebook was already full of bots when I quit them back 6 years ago.

I can only speculate as to the why. One thought: they are trying to get us to accede to "biometric internet identity" in a year or two or ten to protect ourselves from the nefarious bots running rampant everywhere.


But something's controlling the politicians. The language, buzz words, policies and PR adopted by the authorities in almost every first world country are near-identical. It seems pretty clear that all this is being mandated by some invisible, unnamed, senior transnational control group. I can't recall any other time when this has become so clear.

I have wondered about this as well. This could run deep. As in, deepfake. They ran that tech out in the open over the past year, and now all of a sudden, all the politicians sound like robots.

[periol]

So, I reread my post, and I think I was a bit nervous making my first post, and I didn't really fill out what I was saying.

My concern about bot-generated content is that it sounds convincingly real, like it was written by a human. The shilling has graduated from US military bases (known centers of major Reddit activity) to machines. Machines that other humans will insist are human. Their writing reads legitimate. It shouldn't be a surprise - they can deepfake video; of course they can deepfake conversation.

Once they stop interacting at machine-speed, and intentionally slow down to human speed, it will be close to impossible to tell. I'm suspicious of this, because considering how sophisticated these bots are, it should be simple to program in a delay. Why don't they? Right now, they can read read articles and generate responses, but they can't quite manage to navigate reading absorbing and properly responding to a slew of comments. None of this feels like an insurmountable programming problem. They're 99.9% of the way there. It feels like they're flaunting it, letting those of us who care know what they're doing.

I am also concerned that much of the internet news content we consume is being created by machines. I have no way to prove it, just general suspicions. Everything reads the same. The only difference is which team the "author" supports. Some of the sites I followed where I knew there were real humans have disappeared.

I know I'm not the only person who has wondered if the politicians appearing on the screen are actually human beings. How are we to know? Everyone is locked down. It isn't hard at all to deepfake a fuzzy zoom call. They did that to Assange years ago.

Whatever the plan is with all this stuff, they are getting more brazen and out in the open. Like they don't care that we know.

I have been disconnecting more and more from the tubes over the past few years. This place feels like a breath of fresh air.

[norman]

. . . My concern about bot-generated content is that it sounds convincingly real, like it was written by a human . . . . .




Have you found any cases of unusually hard censorship of discussion about this ?

[Sunny-side-up]

It's all the fruits of the ongoing Nazis propaganda and mind control research, ongoing from the second world war, base of operation moved to the good old US of A.

Even the control forces, police forces follow the dress code

[periol]

. . . My concern about bot-generated content is that it sounds convincingly real, like it was written by a human . . . . .




Have you found any cases of unusually hard censorship of discussion about this ?

The bots are the censorship. On reddit, for instance, on any of the main subs, the bots control the conversation. Reddit allows upvoting and downvoting of comments, and the bots make comments, and push their comments to the top. Then they start long discussion threads that do not talk about the actual topic of the thread - say unrest in the Middle East.

Any comments that go against the dominant narrative are downvoted and disappeared. There might be some actual discussion of the topic if you look for it, but it takes work.

Bring up the bots, you get downvoted out of the discussion.

I noticed all this starting to happen 2-3 years ago. I only participated on the /collapse subreddit, and started noticing a few "people" who couldn't possibly be real. Every time I pointed it out, I was downvoted to oblivion. I messaged the mods, nothing. Then I started to notice that each mod only commented about one or two specific topics. One mod only commented if GMOs came up, and he was always stridently pro-GMO. Another mod only commented on oil and gas stuff, always talking about how there's more than we need and the doomers are wrong. One mod only commented on weather articles, saying the weather stuff wasn't as bad as what the collapse commentariat was saying, etc, etc.

It was really bizarre gaslighting.

I didn't want to quit. Part of me feels like quitting is what they want from this - when the actual humans stop writing the only voices left are the robots.

Sorry to go on about this, it's really been bugging me for a few years now.

[norman]

I know "climate change" needs a mention in this thread but it's a complex issue that always seems to wriggle out of being argued with broad strokes.


Plenty of flak around this subject.

[norman]

But something's controlling the politicians. The language, buzz words, policies and PR adopted by the authorities in almost every first world country are near-identical. It seems pretty clear that all this is being mandated by some invisible, unnamed, senior transnational control group. I can't recall any other time when this has become so clear.





In your instinctive sense, do you feel this 'command' is over and above the usual long term operating control system ?

[greybeard]

But something's controlling the politicians. The language, buzz words, policies and PR adopted by the authorities in almost every first world country are near-identical. It seems pretty clear that all this is being mandated by some invisible, unnamed, senior transnational control group. I can't recall any other time when this has become so clear.





In your instinctive sense, do you feel this 'command' is over and above the usual long term operating control system ?

Yes Norman its a bit like a race horse pacing it self, then full speed ahead to the finishing post. (2030) That date seems to come up in different circles. Edgar Cayce said beginning of the Golden Age.
So everything possible is being done to prevent spiritual awakening of collective consciousness.
Chris

[Metaphor]

. . . My concern about bot-generated content is that it sounds convincingly real, like it was written by a human . . . . .




Have you found any cases of unusually hard censorship of discussion about this ?

The bots are the censorship. On reddit, for instance, on any of the main subs, the bots control the conversation. Reddit allows upvoting and downvoting of comments, and the bots make comments, and push their comments to the top. Then they start long discussion threads that do not talk about the actual topic of the thread - say unrest in the Middle East.

Any comments that go against the dominant narrative are downvoted and disappeared. There might be some actual discussion of the topic if you look for it, but it takes work.

Bring up the bots, you get downvoted out of the discussion.

I noticed all this starting to happen 2-3 years ago. I only participated on the /collapse subreddit, and started noticing a few "people" who couldn't possibly be real. Every time I pointed it out, I was downvoted to oblivion. I messaged the mods, nothing. Then I started to notice that each mod only commented about one or two specific topics. One mod only commented if GMOs came up, and he was always stridently pro-GMO. Another mod only commented on oil and gas stuff, always talking about how there's more than we need and the doomers are wrong. One mod only commented on weather articles, saying the weather stuff wasn't as bad as what the collapse commentariat was saying, etc, etc.

It was really bizarre gaslighting.

I didn't want to quit. Part of me feels like quitting is what they want from this - when the actual humans stop writing the only voices left are the robots.

Sorry to go on about this, it's really been bugging me for a few years now.
I do not want to derail the thread but I would like to raise the question if there is some way you can spot the bots? Something that is like the Voight Kampff test?https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Voight-Kampff_test

[Baby Steps]

I have silenced pro pharma trolls by mentioning science and nobel prizes. I suspect they are bots.

[norman]

On the opposite end of the stick I've noticed a couple of topics that have moved from highly denied and silenced to a measure of official 'normalisation'.


Those topics are New World Order and UFOs (UAPs).

[periol]

I do not want to derail the thread but I would like to raise the question if there is some way you can spot the bots? Something that is like the Voight Kampff test?https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Voight-Kampff_test

I dug around my history and found the reddit post that got me thinking about the bots again.

https://old.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/gohnmq/are_we_experiencing_a_world_guided_by_ai_already/

The top comment on the post right now is a link to this image, which shows the steps this particular user did to test. The steps I took myself were reddit specific, but ever since my realization I've been paying more attention to the blanding of writing tone across internet articles, regardless of origin (MSM, alt-media, etc.).

https://i.imgur.com/5nit4Ij.png

[Metaphor]

When you think about it we have bots in real life too... Some people are so hardly formatted by media and other conditioning that they act robotic and according to their inserted "program". It has been very clear the last couple of months.

[periol]

When you think about it we have bots in real life too... Some people are so hardly formatted by media and other conditioning that they act robotic and according to their inserted "program". It has been very clear the last couple of months.

I have noticed this too, though I've been ascribing it to mass hypnotism. But you could be right, I have considered that some people might be robots or automatons. I still lean toward hypnotism though.

I tend to avoid television, but I have noticed when others have it on that the use of hypnotic elements is everywhere. It was there before, but it was more hidden. Now it's out in the open. The beginning of every new show has some sort of hypnotic sequence at the start. Our in-laws have Netflix and Amazon video, and when you log into those services there is a hypnotic visual element as well when they load. They do it during shows as well.

My wife has been going back and forth between old Star Trek and some newer shows when she unwinds, and I always feel a sense of relief when it's Star Trek. There's lots of weird stuff going on in the background and edges of the new shows. And I'm not even watching with her, this is just from the sounds I'm hearing.

Old Netflix load screen:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEhgdcLcTjM

New Netflix load screen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jg_rkKtJgo

[Metaphor]

So to be back on topic, I had this conversation with my sister in law about the possibilities of hydrochloroquine and zinc as a possible cure ( if administered early) for covid19 ( if its not more strains than one?...) and noticed that i was a touchy subject. I think this insert in peoples mind that its "evil Trump" only thats promoting this etc is there to protect future Remedesivir sales and worthless but mandatory vaccines. HCQ and zinc probably work but its cheap and the patent is free so its a threat to be eliminated. Thats a very hot, hot spot

[Sarah Rainsong]

So to be back on topic, I had this conversation with my sister in law about the possibilities of hydrochloroquine and zinc as a possible cure ( if administered early) for covid19 ( if its not more strains than one?...) and noticed that i was a touchy subject. I think this insert in peoples mind that its "evil Trump" only thats promoting this etc is there to protect future Remedesivir sales and worthless but mandatory vaccines. HCQ and zinc probably work but its cheap and the patent is free so its a threat to be eliminated. Thats a very hot, hot spot

Agreed, Metaphor, but I'd extend it even more. There is definite "flak" around healthcare in general. You're only supposed to listen to certain "experts." Anyone/anything else is attacked. Although, perhaps the HCQ issue is different. I'm thinking the concept of sovereignty around personal health: like vaccines, but not only that. As an example, consider how vilified consuming unpasteurized milk is (possibly only a U.S. issue.) You'd think you were poisoning the whole nation!

[AutumnW]

For me, the most alarming (and obvious!) thing is the co-ordinated and orchestrated mainstream reaction to apparently simple and seemingly innocuous things like Trump trying his best to talk about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).

Many of the main US media channels called it "peddling snake oil" — and so on. It was so extreme that it became a very clear red flag indicator.

Not all worldwide news media are doing this, of course, because the CIA (in the present-day version of Operation Mockingbird, the on-record infiltration of the US media by the CIA) can't control the media in every country.

But something's controlling the politicians. The language, buzz words, policies and PR adopted by the authorities in almost every first world country are near-identical. It seems pretty clear that all this is being mandated by some invisible, unnamed, senior transnational control group. I can't recall any other time when this has become so clear.

Hydrochloroquine is a good example of the mainstream media led by Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, of ignoring the science and prejudging a medication for political reasons. There is no clear evidence, if you look at the scientific literature and the reasoning behind how the drub works, to summarily dismiss it.

Journalists are some of the most easily hoodwinked individuals --- and this is across the political spectrum.

My own hunch is an effective vaccine will never be found for this illness and treatments like hydrochloroquine will become quite popular. Many doctors use it themselves.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Some topics that have come up recently that I believe are surrounded by flak:




Racism
BLM protests
Gender identity (particularly trans vs women's rights)

The "flak," as you correctly point out, norman, keeps people from reaching to the target. If "they" can keep people distracted or disoriented by all the flak they're sending out, then nothing will ever happen to get to the root issues. It is a well-honed tool TPTB use to keep people divided and under their control.

[EFO]

The "flak," as you correctly point out, norman, keeps people from reaching to the target. If "they" can keep people distracted or disoriented by all the flak they're sending out, then nothing will ever happen to get to the root issues. It is a well-honed tool TPTB use to keep people divided and under their control.

Avoiding flak for us,if necessary.

Flak (1944)
(17:06 min.)
"Timeless classic about anti-aircraft flak. This film provides an in-depth look at the weapons and methods of German and Japanese anti-aircraft warfare, and highlight the evasive actions utilized by U.S. bomber crews."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRd_AW1aZ8M

[norman]

The flak I had in mind when I started this thread was the more knee jerk kind of flak via the controlled assets. The sort that tries to snuff out a rise of social conversation around specifically important nodes of the strength of 'their' program in progress. "we can't have the public picking this apart because we rely on them not seeing through it, to keep on track with our plan", etc.

I see the more general 'flak' of chaos and division as a different thing, and that's not so mappable anyway.

The assets I'm thinking of are the MSM and social media platforms and various heavyweight 'old order' influencers.

We really can draw a good map of the topically defensive efforts they make. How much we can find out from the map about their longer range intentions is arguable, but I personally feel we can find out a lot, and so better apply ourselves to the initial grunt work of getting a full paradigm change happening. By grunt work, I mean the unshackling of our common social and economic environment from the old power and control, not all the amazing natural creative ideas most of us have waiting to get going and prosper. We must first set all that free to happen. It's dirty work but it has to be done. I think there already are some very serious people engaged in that grunt work, but they may not succeed if we don't all buck up and bring our energies and intentions into a better more focused alignment with that effort.

I think mapping the flak is a helpful contributory endeavour for us chattering forum types. Soon after I started this thread I was, I suppose pathetically, disappointed that no one else saw it like I did, and run with it like I hoped people would. I'm writing this post to see if there is a second wind for it.

[norman]

Why have the entire EU banned David Icke | Immediate Reaction

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November 5th, 2022


David Icke was banned from European Union countries for two years – that’s how TERRIFIED THE CULT IS OF HIM.

Read More Here - https://davidicke.com/2022/11/03/davi


View PDF here (https://davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/bc7b8cb2-215b-42ea-afb2-f1d5b8631d39.pdf).

English Translation


Dear Mr Icke,

With this letter I inform you that you have been reported immediately in the Schengen Information System (SIS II) for a period of two years and you are not allowed to enter the Schengen area.

The reason for this alert concerns the following.

On October 31, 2022, the Amsterdam Police sent an information report dated that day from the Regional Information Organization (DRIO) to the IND.

The following conclusions and findings emerge from this report, among other things.

Given the reactions from society, it is not inconceivable that the arrival of David Icke at the ‘Samen voor Nederland’ demonstration will lead to a disturbance of public order. Based on the media attention and the reactions from both sides, his arrival is the center of attention for both supporters and opponents.

In a livestream, the organizer spoke to Icke and stated that “I hope to see you on the sixt of November, no matter how. Digital or live.”. It can be concluded from this that the intention is to let Icke speak in any case. It is unclear whether the counter-protesters would be satisfied if he does not speak physically on Dam Square, but via a live stream. Given the tense relations, there remains a risk of confrontation between the demonstrators and the counter-protesters. As a result, a scenario, such as at the United We Stand Europe demonstration on July 24, 2021, where his digital presence does not lead to tension is not likely. Then little or no attention was paid to his presence in the run-up to, during and after the run.

It is conceivable that his physical presence may give rise to stronger reactions from the counter-demonstration. But that his physical absence could lead to feelings of discontent among the protesters who already have an anti-government sentiment.

The British David Icke has been internationally known for years as a propagator of conspiracy theories. Among other things, he claims that the world is ruled by so-called reptiles, which are a group of powerful aliens that pretend to be humans. According to critics, the reptiles are a metaphor for a (partly Jewish) elite that forms an all-powerful secret world government and is active in all ranks of society. He claims that the Jews financed Hitler and that the Jews are responsible for organizing the 2008 financial crisis and the terrorist attacks on September 11.

The CIDI has responded to Icke’s planned arrival and has announced in the mainstream media that it finds it unacceptable that a stage is being given to Icke. As a result, three counter-demonstrations were registered with the municipality.

The division within society is not only apparent from counter-reactions to the demonstration itself. For example, Icke’s reptile theory has recently been proclaimed several times by Forum for Democracy leader Thierry Baudet. In news reports, Icke is mentioned as ‘the man behind Baudet’s reptile theory’. Source NOS

In addition, conspiracy theories were spread by Baudet during the debate on Budget Day 2022, in which he reasons that Deputy Prime Minister Sigrid Kaag studied at a university where spies are recruited. In response to this, the debate was halted and the cabinet briefly left the House of Representatives. Source AD

These recent developments show that it can be concluded that the arrival of David Icke is not only relevant for public order within the municipality of Amsterdam. Providing Icke with a podium or not will have a greater or lesser effect on the polarization within Dutch society.

In a press release, Samen voor Nederland indicated that it still intends to let Icke speak. The organization indicates that Icke does not deny the Holocaust in an interview with Samen voor Nederland’. In that interview, organizer K. states “I hope to see you on the sixt of November, no matter how. Digital or live. The sixth of November we are going to be in Amsterdam”.

After it became known that David Icke would speak at the ‘Samen voor Nederland’ demonstration, it was visible on social media that left-wing activists wrote to Mayor Halsema, among others, to prevent his arrival. This happens more often, for example when a (extreme) right-wing speaker comes to Amsterdam.

In the past there have also been unannounced counter-demonstrations at ‘Samen voor Nederland’ demonstrations from left-wing activists. These counter-demonstrations received little or no attention in the mainstream media.

Compared to previous and recent editions of the ‘Samen voor Nederland’, there is much more media attention. This is mainly due to the arrival of David Icke as speaker. In addition to the usual activists, CIDI now also spoke out about his arrival. This differs from previous comparable counter-demonstrations.

In the run-up to the demonstration, it is visible online that there is a hardened relationship between the demonstrators and the counter-protesters. The counter-protesters want to disrupt Icke’s speech by means of a noise demonstration. There have been signals from the Amsterdam Jewish police network that the CIDI is receiving negative comments regarding its announcement to voice a counter-noise on 6 November. sympathizers would also have registered at the counter-demonstration to protect the counter-demonstration. Online statements that go further have also been observed. In a podcast with Lale Gül, an Ömer U. stated: Are there people who are a little confused. No sense in life anymore. Do some good for humanity and buy a weapon. Just kidding. I really like him dead, I have no problem saying it.

It is not inconceivable that left-organized persons would like to express their displeasure in a more provocative way. Such as throwing eggs or committing vandalism. However, there are currently no concrete signs for this.

The supporters of ‘Samen voor Nederland’ (Samen voor Nederland) reacted with shock to the hostile messages towards Icke. It is also visible online that there is a response to the counter-demonstration. The organization of ‘Samen voor Nederland’ has indicated online that it has bought whistles to make noise back. The organization stated online that “we’ll see who blows who away”.

This information report shows that you intend to participate physically or digitally in a demonstration in Amsterdam on November 6, 2022 and to address the demonstrators there. The information report also shows that the information about you known to the Police justifies the concern that your nomination in the Dutch context may cause tensions between population groups and thus disrupt public order and public peace.

It should be noted that on the basis of the content of the aforementioned information message it can be judged that there are concrete indications that your arrival in the Netherlands poses a danger to public order and public peace. For this, reference is made to paragraph A2/12 of the Aliens Act Implementation Guidelines (Vc). It is also considered that on the basis of this alert, residence in the Netherlands is not permitted and your free period as a third-country national who does not require a visa will lapse.

It turns out that you have been internationally known for years as a propagator of conspiracy theories. For example, you state that the world is ruled by so-called reptiles, which would be a group of powerful aliens pretending to be humans. According to critics, the reptiles are a metaphor for a (partly Jewish) elite that forms an all-powerful secret world government and is active in all ranks of society.

The 56th Terrorism Threat Assessment Netherlands of 21 April 2022 describes a movement in the Netherlands that is fed by uncompromising conspiracy theories in which prominent persons, administrators and officials are dehumanized and democratic principles are rejected. For example online, through descriptions such as “reptiles”, “blood-drinking pedophiles”, “enemies of freedom” and “defenders of the dictatorship”. This movement states that in the Netherlands there is a elite in power who carry through an oppressive agenda, which is at war and against which resistance is needed. The movement is characterized by deep hostility, fanaticism and fantasies of violent vigilance; the elite would ultimately have to answer to tribunals.

Conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial can harm the democratic constitutional state. On the one hand because the legitimacy of those in authority is undermined, on the other because national legislation and international treaties prohibit incitement to hatred.

You are cited in news reports as ‘the man behind Baudet’s reptile theory’ and your intended participation in the demonstration on November 6, 2022 also underlines this. Now that there is a direct connection between your theories and comparing politicians to lizards or other reptiles, prominent persons, administrators and officials are dehumanized and democratic principles are rejected. This undermines democratic principles and the legitimacy of authority. This increases risk in a climate where violence against or threats to politicians is increasing, such as the recent protests by farmers. There is reason to believe that propagating your ideas can incite more violence against politicians if they are no longer seen as people. It threatens the rule of law/democracy and the polity if this would impede politicians from doing their job.

By granting you access to the Netherlands, you are given a platform to publicize your theories in person, which means that it can lead to a disturbance of public order or the commission of violence in the Netherlands, even if you do not explicitly call for this yourself.

In summary, it is considered that the information message from the Amsterdam Police shows that your participation in the demonstration has led to indignation among various organisations, including Jewish organizations and left-wing groups, and that several counter-demonstrations have been announced, whereby it is not inconceivable that your lead to a disturbance of public order. Reference is made to the tense relations between the demonstrators and the counter-protesters and the risk of a confrontation. Your physical presence may trigger stronger responses from the counter-demonstration. In the run-up to the demonstration, a hardened relationship is visible online through your announced participation, including even a call for gun violence against you.

It can be concluded that the information about you known to the Amsterdam Police justifies the concern that your nomination in the Dutch context may cause such great tensions between population groups, or will further escalate existing tensions, that public order and public peace will be compromised. be disrupted.

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[norman]

I thought mapping the flak was a good idea. As obvious as it seemed to me, it didn't register well at the time.

The most consistent flak I was aware of for years was against negative/critical talk about vaccination. Now we know.

So, where's the most consistent well resourced flak nowadays ?



Yes, Norman, you are correct. I should have been more specific. It is the link between 5G and the possible severity of the symptoms that is censored, not just 5G itself (which is often portrayed as a wonderful improvement)


IF the big deal is the Vaccine/5G rather than the covid/5g connection, it may not even be about the story so far about trying to explain patchy severity. It may be about what they can get up to later when the whole population has been bum rushed into having that vaccine put inside their bodies.


Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: Synthetic Biology with Nanocircuits that Go with 5G

https://rumble.com/v6rpxd3-dr-astrid-stuckelberger-synthetic-biology-with-nanocircuits-that-go-with-5g.html

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[I am B]

This was a really well thought thread. "What are you not allowed to criticise?" But imo the aging of this now opens a wider idea.

"What are you supposed to criticise?"

My friend's instagram (and mine to a degree) is full of antizionist (and antijew) narrative. I won't be the one defending them, but since when does the algorythm promote something unconvenient for "them"? Or is it a "double layer" of controlled dissidence?

With that topic at this point it gets to the land of chaos and paranoia.

[arwen]

- Elon Musk
- Trump
- Grooming rape gangs
- Hate speech and violence towards whites
- Criticizing any Western Government
- Not being Woke
- Objecting to the destruction and erasure of history and cultural heritage in the name of "decolonizing" the archives and rewriting everything to fit the current narrative.

[Bill Ryan]

- Elon Musk
- Trump
- Grooming rape gangs
- Hate speech and violence towards whites
- Criticizing any Western Government
- Not being Woke
- Objecting to the destruction and erasure of history and cultural heritage in the name of "decolonizing" the archives and rewriting everything to fit the current narrative.... And don't ever mention Palestine.

[I am B]

I have to say, that in my case is the complete opposite, and that may be something worth to figure out.

I find it a big mistake now to list topics straight away as "Flak".

For the sake of looking into this. I personally don't believe Musk or Trump are legit, yet my feeds are FULL of trump and Musk adoration conent, in many cases (both subtly and not so subtly) embeded in other topics, and it is blatantly obvious to me that it is trying to put these people under a good light, in many cases following this "anti establishment" narrative.

On the other hand, many antiwoke, antiglobalisation, and anti-anti-white stuff is being pushed by my algorythm. I fundamentally agree with many of them, but it is undoubtedly a part of an agenda to push those topics on my alorythm.

In summary. In my case, those topics are very much supported and promoted by the algorythm.

The reason that comes to mind for this to happen is that they are looking for the fragmentation of society. We may agree on Palestine, but disagree with Musk. Making cooperation harder, or even impossible.

[norman]

I find it a big mistake now to list topics straight away as "Flak".



Yes, I agree. There are many forms of censorship and narrative control going now that make the simple idea of mapping the flak almost redundant, or at least in need of defining narrowly.

Back when I was noticing the flak against criticism of vaccination, things were simpler. The MSM was still very central in the narrative control game. Paid and controlled trusted voices/radio and tv talking heads were told what to attack and ridicule. The MSM may not seem important to us here now but it still has a large chunk of the population, especially outside (four years of Biden) America largely believing it's output. If you doubt that, just go to your local pub or public square and listen to the chatter.

I've never been a TV follower but I used to listen to a lot of BBC Radio talk until I grew out of it only recently since I got onto the internet and expanded my horizons. Nowadays I can't stand it and have to turn it off almost as soon as I've switched it on.

Because I no longer have an ear on that programming I'm not in a position to map that kind of flak, which would still be relevant for mapping. That programming is probably working hard trying to keep it's unaware audience primed for rejecting any form of "Truther Talk" and even dehumanising it as much as possible [ "stupid anti-vaxers, climate deniers, are dangerous", etc ]. Deliberately and tactically driving a wedge between their captive entranced audience and those awful other people who spread disinformation like a society destroying disease.

For simple flak spotting, it's that world where it's still worth looking for it, but I don't venture there now. The sophisticated stuff on the internet messing with the heads of the truthers is a whole other thing well beyond the scope of this thread's title. Because we are mostly messed-with 'truthers' here, I know it's hard not to wander off into that territory, but it only confuses and diffuses the simple flak spotting that (I think) can still be accurately predictive when carefully/correctly observed.

[I am B]

That is something most people, even younger people, should realise.

I can completely relate to the turning the TV off during the pandemic when people around me were consuming it. Now I find myself with the same feeling for 80% of the internet content. And much of it is framed to be "alternative"!