The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[DeDukshyn]

from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if it can be proven that standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

What is the level of intoxication that justifies being murdered again? I tried to google this but I couldn't find anything ...

Just an FYI ... there's lots of security and witness videos that showed how he had actually reacted to the police.

If the murderers get off because of the "toxicology report", it will be a clear indication that the great America is far more broken at its roots than it even seems from the outside.

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=Luke Holiday;1359177][SIZE="3"][U][I]from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?



What is the level of intoxication that justifies being murdered again? I tried to google this but I couldn't find anything ...

Just an FYI ... there's lots of security and witness videos that showed how he had actually reacted to the police.

If the murderers get off because of the "toxicology report", it will be a clear indication that the great America is far more broken at its roots than it even seems from the outside.

…. I wholeheartedly agree! ….

Realizing this is an emotionally supercharged issue which may in fact be orchestrated,

I wanted to put emotion aside and point out that in the court of law: it is not what is believed that matters... it is only what can be proved that counts.

It may also be of relevance to keep in mind that the accused are police officers/public servants with families (wives/children), who put their lives on the line a daily basis in order to keep citizenry and cities safe. Dealing effectively with drug addicts and thieves is not an easy task to say the least. With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

[Mike]

note: Bill or mods, perhaps this post would be more appropriate in the racism thread. Feel free to move. Thx.

Hey Ernie, the same people that would have you kneel and beg for forgiveness are the same people that openly declare all white people are racist with the same axiomatic certainty as the existence of oxygen. The kneeling and grovelling is just as wrong and misguided as the blanket accusations of white racism, and neither are doing anyone any good.

Jess, I'd love to take a knee right along side of you for all of those injustices you listed, in a symbolic show of solidarity with all those that have been treated unfairly, but only if everyone else is kneeling down too. In other words, I'm not kneeling before anyone or any group of people in a gesture of submissiveness, regardless of the alleged intent behind it all. That's symbolic of power over, not power with. It's dangerous. Pseudo disciplines like “Intersectionality” have practically become religions, with slavery being frequently evoked as "original sin". It's all set up for whites who had nothing to do with slavery to present themselves submissively in front of blacks who were never slaves for what is essentially absolution for something neither of them was involved in. No thanks.

As a white guy I find this grovelling and begging embarrassing; if I were black I imagine I'd be even more embarrassed by it. I expect to see this type of self-flagellation becoming normalized though, unfortunately, as both sides struggle to find appropriate ways to express themselves. Cringey virtue signaling is nothing more than a game of one upmanship for the disingenuous “allies” ("I'll see your kneeling and begging and raise you some rose petal paths!"), and a power trip for those on the receiving end. If anything useful is going to come of all this mess, that has to end.

I'm not anti-emotion. I agree with everything Mark said about emotion, but it has to be within an appropriate framework.

Saying that everyone is racist has a kernel of truth to it, but only in the same way saying everyone has jealousy or bitterness or malevolence has some truth to it. It is a truth but it is not the truth. It's hardly a reasonable starting point to begin judging people and things around us. It's like pointing a finger at someone and accusing them of being imperfect and then demanding an apology for it. Most people are inherently good, actually...or at the very least more good than bad. That's a huge miracle, and we should all start our day thanking the heavens for it imo.

There is probably a baseline level of racism that exists within all of us. It's partially biological, I'd say, as we're all programmed to defend our cultures and tribes. When that becomes exaggerated, problems arise. But you can't eradicate it any more than you can eradicate dust, or the common cold. And you wouldn't really want to anyway. It serves a purpose. We frequently hear postmoderny, SJW catch words like "inclusivity", and "diversity" being uttered by those desiring "equity", which all sounds wonderful superficially but begins to fall apart upon closer examination.

You can't have total inclusivity and also have diversity, because over time borders and distinctions erode and it all becomes one homogeneous whole. Borders can be good things, both literally and symbolically, when applied in the proper doses. And yes, they can be destructive when overly emphasized..but they can't be done away with completely. Doing away with them will ultimately destroy diversity.

And none of this will ever produce “equity”, which is really a historically treacherous trick that has never really done anything besides create utopian genocide. And besides, it's impossible. How can you possibly equalize outcomes among all the identity groups??? Equality of opportunity should be what we're striving for, not equality of outcome (“equity”). And we have some work to do in that area, for sure. It really needs to improve. That should be a focal point of the dialogue, imo.

Of course we're hearing more and more about "white privilege" now...with confused, virtue signaling whites practically stumbling over themselves in order to be the first to confess to possessing it. White privilege of course is this idea that whites are basically advantaged in every way over blacks and other minorities.. across many or all dimensions(depending on who you're talking to... because these words are so malleable and contrived that they can mean virtually anything the user desires them to mean in the moment if it serves their particular ideology...which makes them especially dangerous in a kind of Orwellian way)

The Buddha said life is suffering. He's right. It's our natural state. All the existentialists over the years have said the same. It's a problem. But it's the inherent structure of being. And it's why one of the primary judeo/christian ethics has been to bear your burden nobly and conduct your life in a way that doesn't disgrace you. Carry your cross. That sort of thing. But the postmodern SJW's don't accept this; they want their lives to be cozy and safe and warm all the time. When they're not, they need something and someone to blame, quickly. And they blame oppression. It's easy blaming oppression because you don't have to think about anything else. The gender wage gap: oppression. Police brutality: oppression. The so called "patriarchy": oppression. There is oppression, of course, and it's a problem.. but in most instances it's much more complex than that.

We're all born with advantages and disadvantages. People are born a certain race or color for example, and born into certain socioeconomic strata that might make things especially difficult as their lives progress. Fair enough. But it doesn't stop there, and that's the problem with so called “white privilege”. Some people are also born with low intelligence; some people are born unattractive; some born without legs; some born with crippling diseases, etc. And some of those people are white. It's impossible to know a person's advantage or disadvantage based on the color of their skin. To attempt to make that judgment is precisely what racism is! You'd think the intersectionalists might have an issue with this idea of white privilege, but no...

Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

We're also hearing a lot more about intersectionality now too, which is basically a way to continually create an unlimited number of allegedly oppressed groups by suggesting the most overlap equals the most oppression. For example, if you're a woman you're oppressed, but if you're a gay woman you're really oppressed; and if you're gay, female, and a single mother, you're super duper oppressed. If you're black on top of all of that, forget it. And so on. And on. And on. You may have noticed the gay/lesbian/ trans acronym growing to preposterously large proportions. It's beginning to eat itself, because you can't possibly create that many “oppressed” groups without also eventually creating rivalrous relationships between them. At some point in time, all those oppressed groups will be viewed by allegedly more oppressed groups as being their oppressors. And if by some miracle the acronym group doesn't eat itself, and it continues on indefinitely, it will finally arrive at such a highly nuanced “group” of people that could only be regarded as individuals. Oh the irony.

And that's where it all begins and ends, with us as individuals, and the amount of personal responsibility we're willing and able to assume as a result of that. Identity politics is not productive, as it only encourages the alleged oppressors to play the same game with even more force and dedication. It creates wide divisions that eventually get filled with things like violence and police brutality, among other things.

Protesting has it's place. And some new legislation needs to be enacted to further protect minorities. Law enforcement definitely needs to reform some of their procedures. But it really starts with the individual. Trite and frustrating maybe, but true. It's the best way to honor George Floyd , in my opinion

[DeDukshyn]

.... With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

Either way, toxicology should have zero to do with that, if we see otherwise, it will be telling.

That said, everyone should have the opportunity to tell their side of the story ... if even for nothing more than entertainment in the cases where it leads to nothing more than entertainment vs reality.

Maybe George had a stiff neck and Derek just went into "chiropractor" mode, but didn't actually have training, and accidentally killed him? Regardless, he should be allowed to tell his story.

[Lilybee8]

Not sure what to think about all these.. it’s a Sad moment for the WORLD, but with the “quality” of politics we have around, WE have the responsibility to QUESTION everything... I personally think that ALL lives matter.. I feel there hasn’t been any justice for the 24 Mexico Americans killed by a white supremacist At Walmart here were I live in EL PASO,TX... there were no protest, no looters, no fires.. but was this because it wasn’t an election on the horizon??
I found these comments around social media that makes me question EVERYTHING, A professor told me once.. there are ALWAYS 3 truths to every story.. yours, theirs and God’s (which we will never know)...and again it’s OUR responsibility to find all versions, this is a huge impact on the future political path USA will turn to.. it makes me want to question: Who will a USA elect to lead them.. a Racist lunatic Ass or a hypocrite pedophile pig... While this question remains unanswered.. take a look at some “strange” facts found..

1.- Aside to the fact that this gentleman GF knew his killer, they previously worked together, the ex cop, had worked as a crisis actor before..
2.- Strangely ex cops neighbors comments on Nextdoor app mentioned that they never knew He was a cop..
3.- You can check the video yourself, the police car had a license plate with word Police...Minneapolis police has all numbers
4.- His autopsy was made by the same Dr that perform Epstein..Is He the only one in USA..?
5.- Mr. GFloyd had a strange tattoo.. having strange tattoos is not the problem..but the meaning of them is.. it represents a club “Ordo Ab Chaos” strangely this tattoo was also identified on a body in several porn videos of a black man named Kimberly Brinks..

I was only able to attached 5 pic on one post.. (this 2 pending)
6.- pictures of protesters strange by piles of bricks conveniently stacked on the sidewalks for them to use..
7.- This past January a member of the attorney general of Minnesota (Jacob Frey) Democrat Keith Ellison posted on social media an extremist ANTIFA logo as a proud sign..


True or not.. these facts makes you question who you want as a leader...

[Lilybee8]

Pending pictures of last comment

[AutumnW]

Jess, I'd love to take a knee right along side of you for all of those injustices you listed, in a symbolic show of solidarity with all those that have been treated unfairly, but only if everyone else was kneeling down too. In other words, I'm not kneeling before anyone or any group of people in a gesture of submissiveness, regardless of the alleged intent behind it all. That's symbolic of power over, not power with. It's dangerous. Pseudo disciplines like “Intersectionality” have practically become religions, with slavery being frequently evoked as "original sin". It's all set up for whites who had nothing to do with slavery to present themselves submissively in front of blacks who were never slaves for what is essentially absolution for something neither of them was involved in. No thanks.

- "Taking a knee," started with Colin Kaepernick, a football player who kicked off the trend in the NFL. The action was taken by a number of players during the playing of the National Anthem to protest police brutality in the U.S. It is not a gesture of submission, it is a gesture of solidarity to kneel with those who suffer under oppression--not towards them in personal apology.

This has pretty much nothing to do with hair splitting political correctness on campuses or elsewhere in society. Of course white and class privilege takes many forms -- but those who leverage the narcissism of small differences to support their own agendas, may not get far this time. The issue of minorities being killled by police will supercede that nonsense and rain on their parade of a thousand pronouns.

[Mike]

Jess, I'd love to take a knee right along side of you for all of those injustices you listed, in a symbolic show of solidarity with all those that have been treated unfairly, but only if everyone else was kneeling down too. In other words, I'm not kneeling before anyone or any group of people in a gesture of submissiveness, regardless of the alleged intent behind it all. That's symbolic of power over, not power with. It's dangerous. Pseudo disciplines like “Intersectionality” have practically become religions, with slavery being frequently evoked as "original sin". It's all set up for whites who had nothing to do with slavery to present themselves submissively in front of blacks who were never slaves for what is essentially absolution for something neither of them was involved in. No thanks.

- "Taking a knee," started with Colin Kaepernick, a football player who kicked off the trend in the NFL. The action was taken by a number of players during the playing of the National Anthem to protest police brutality in the U.S. It is not a gesture of submission, it is a gesture of solidarity to kneel with those who suffer under oppression--not towards them in personal apology.

This has pretty much nothing to do with hair splitting political correctness on campuses or elsewhere in society. Of course white and class privilege takes many forms -- but those who leverage the narcissism of small differences to support their own agendas, may not get far this time. The issue of minorities being killled by police will supercede that nonsense and rain on their parade of a thousand pronouns.


Sorry, maybe I'm conflating a few different things there as far as the kneeling thing goes. I was originally referring to the video a few pages back showing the white people all bowing in front of the black folks etc.

I wish I didn't, but I think those hair splitting political correct'ers will totally exploit what happened here with George Floyd. I'm seeing and hearing it everywhere. It's building up, and I s'pose Im just trying to get ahead of it.

I listen to a lot of talk radio. Sports, mainly. Not because I'm in love with sports really, but because I generally hate the radio music and I can't stomach politics. And what I'm hearing is all this contrived language from the SJW lexicon: white frailty, white privilege, intersectionality etc. It appears to be becoming mainstream, from where I'm standing.

Change the language, change the mind. It frightens me

[Agape]

I think it’s valid part of the reason of why public response is so exaggerated at this time: if it was not, the state and “deep state” can deal with it and make it disappear overnight, I can assure you they can.
The noise and naivety of the crowd is huge but so is some of yours( and mine).
They chant names of past victims of police killings, true but there are thousands of nameless people who just disappear. Not that you care.

The state and deep state can arrange any story come out as true if the case is not publicised and handled under public scrutiny in open with too many people watching.


What a naivety thinking that any past or standing government represent “truth and justice”. They care about their image the most.

It will go on and on from the deeply dirty minds, forever.


Unlike Bill, I know what I’m talking about as I was in hands of exactly those dirty people down in Uruguay whether they were who they claimed I can not verify.

I don’t trust anyone since, for their misogynist attitudes and effort to “blame the victim”. that is me in this case. Every man I encountered put this sour grin on their face as if I was the terrorist and there was some crime I did not admit to.
I was beaten repeatedly by sticks, almost strangled, survived half year in closed cell without escape, all in expense of your NSA.
The life threat will never stop. I am just a girl you know, half of your weight and stature , studied philosophy, meditation, healing arts etc. No martial arts trainings and no I did not provoke those people or steal their steaks because I don’t eat meat.

These lies will never stop and me too will die in vain that much I can tell you. You’ve rejected my Bodhgaya testimony back then other than “some experience” and you’ve rejected the rest of my testimony even when I was in life danger.

The same attitude you’re seeking with George Floyd and other victims of this criminal world for being “too weak” to compete with machos and their crimes.


Submission ? Spitting is fined here momentarily in India so I can’t do that but what I had to endure in your NSA cell there was filthy man. Mentally and verbally and physically , filthy.


So for that very reason , I won’t apologise. And you can’t smash things under the table and if you do the dirt becomes bigger.
The shining ignorance of belittling, humiliations and lies to glorify one man on the top and his retinue.


And one thing I can cleanly say on their behalf that is positive, those people are far less pretentious about their motivations, methods and capabilities than anyone in the state apparatus, researchers and friends, they will tell you exactly what is the game all about, globally, names of players, what’s on the bigger plan and who of your friends can be counted on and who are “dead men”.
I’m talking of deep state that employs people with IQs 170 and above, not IQ 100.
So you understand what are they doing and having hands in about every government and big organisation in this world and their security systems.

If they wanted it too bad I’d not be here now, obviously, the only thing that did help at that particular point was a remote Finnish professor of linguistics and Buddhism composing my certified CV, with names of schools, publications etc.
He was very brave to do that for me, if I would not be this verified I’d be buried in the garden now and all of my international friends would think I ran away for better future.

[AutumnW]

Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

[Mike]

Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson:)

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=Luke Holiday;1359253] .... With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

Either way, toxicology should have zero to do with that, if we see otherwise, it will be telling.'


… Perhaps...

One thing, you might consider regarding the state's Tox report - is that it shows a drug combination that in itself is potentially lethal (and of course the MSM have reported that autopsy reports showed he also had COVID 19)- not to mention the affects it would have on behavior.


Blessings Luke

[AutumnW]

Agape, I am so sorry that you had to go through that. My heart goes out to you. I wish more people were aware of the intelligence community's role in Central and South America.

"I don’t trust anyone since, for their misogynist attitudes and effort to “blame the victim”. that is me in this case. Every man I encountered put this sour grin on their face as if I was the terrorist and there was some crime I did not admit to.
I was beaten repeatedly by sticks, almost strangled, survived half year in closed cell without escape, all in expense of your NSA." Agape

[AutumnW]

Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson:)

From what I remember, Peterson claims that competence is what ensures advantage. Maybe I am not clear of your meaning here. But if I am reading you right you are saying that starting your own country would confer advantage that begins with the founder of hypothetical country, and accrues over generations?

Not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't quite know what your statement means. Most black Africans have been in the U.S longer than most whites, and the indigenous natives much longer.

[Luke Holiday]

excerpt from Lilly B post


1.- Aside to the fact that this gentleman GF knew his killer, they previously worked together, the ex cop, had worked as a crisis actor before..
2.- Strangely ex cops neighbors comments on Nextdoor app mentioned that they never knew He was a cop..
3.- You can check the video yourself, the police car had a license plate with word Police...Minneapolis police has all numbers
4.- His autopsy was made by the same Dr that perform Epstein..Is He the only one in USA..?
5.- Mr. GFloyd had a strange tattoo.. having strange tattoos is not the problem..but the meaning of them is.. it represents a club “Ordo Ab Chaos” strangely this tattoo was also identified on a body in several porn videos of a black man named Kimberly Brinks..
I was only able to attached 5 pic on one post.. (this 2 pending)
6.- pictures of protesters strange by piles of bricks conveniently stacked on the sidewalks for them to use..
7.- This past January a member of the attorney general of Minnesota (Jacob Frey) Democrat Keith Ellison posted on social media an extremist ANTIFA logo as a proud sign..





Lilly B
:thumbsup:

…. stellar work

[AutumnW]

The problem with developing myriad conspiracy theories around supposed pre-planning of the murder and subsequent protests, is the most important issue ends up branching out and twisting and turning and gradually ends up in a nebulous discussion with very little substance.

It is just as likely that people who are suffering greatly are finally rising up. Any planning by strong controlling forces are subsequent to the essential and central issue, murder of a black man by a cop.

Trump has been talking, "law and order." This doesn't mean he is for law and order. He is for himself, first, last and always. He enjoyed throwing gasoline on the flames and then stands back and assures people he is for "law and order."

[Mike]

Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson:)

From what I remember, Peterson claims that competence is what ensures advantage. Maybe I am not clear of your meaning here. But if I am reading you right you are saying that starting your own country would confer advantage that begins with the founder of hypothetical country, and accrues over generations?

Not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't quite know what your statement means. Most black Africans have been in the U.S longer than most whites, and the indigenous natives much longer.



I know you're not being argumentative:heart: I was just hoping i could say something glib and leave the thread for a bit because now i'm all self conscious about being wildly off topic with my rant lol

maybe we can take that bit over to the racism thread at some point? maybe more appropriate if i give you my long boring answer over there

[AutumnW]

Sure, see you over there! :clapping:

[DaveToo]

from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if it can be proven that standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

I hear ya loud and clear Luke.

Here's a thought.

When it's convenient....

Tons of 'Covid-19 deaths' have co-morbidities, but are listed as strictly Covid-19 deaths. Period. End of story.

But throw in a co-morbidity with Floyd's death (drugs + asphyxiation) and what do you get? A co-morbid death !!!

[Sophocles]

In the news here too it’s mostly about how Trump is dividing the people, the US, that he lacks empathy, that he’s a racist, that everything he says and does just makes the people more angry, that he could be doing it to try to win the election and so on. Whatever the agenda its also clearly anti-Trump.


Also reports from different locations are saying people and the police both are being shot at (but by whom?).

• 1 dead after shots fired at protesters in Detroit: police (https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/30/21275408/detroit-1-dead-shots-fired-protesters-in-george-floyd)

• Iowa woman fatally shot while leaving George Floyd protest (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/iowa-woman-shot-while-leaving-george-floyd-protest/)

• Small-town police chief killed as officers in 3 cities wounded during violence at George Floyd protests (https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820)

• Galesburg Man Charged With Inciting Riots in Chicago, Minneapolis (https://www.peoriapublicradio.org/post/galesburg-man-charged-inciting-riots-chicago-minneapolis#stream/0)

+ Armed man arrested for posing as National Guard in downtown LA (http://https://abc7.com/man-arrested-for-posing-as-national-guard-in-downtown-la/6227824/)


In Athens (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-greece-idUSKBN23A2ZL) protesters threw firebombs towards the US embassy. In Sweden thousands gathered yesterday and the police used pepperspray. Protests in Copenhagen, Paris, and London too.


Looks like the three other officers at the scene of the murder of Floyd are also to be prosecuted (https://www.startribune.com/four-fired-mpls-officers-booked-charged-in-killing-of-george-floyd/570984872/). I really hope they do:

Attorney General Keith Ellison upgraded charges against officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck; charged other 3 involved (https://www.startribune.com/four-fired-mpls-officers-booked-charged-in-killing-of-george-floyd/570984872/)

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Daniel Schmachtenberger’s thoughts on the current situation and some of the anomalies – fits in with the Fourth turning theory I think.

He talks about the narrative leading up to Floyd’s death, (realistic) conflict theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory) (and group think), game theory/politics, and how important it is not to have your own conclusions being made for you.

It’s also a problem with the election that no matter who wins almost half of the country (US) is going to think that the election was rigged or highjacked.

Making Sense of the Downward Spiral, Daniel Schmachtenberger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWk-ZpJdRFg)

GWk-ZpJdRFg

[Luke Holiday]

The creators of this 9 min video have done an excellent job of documenting/detailing and narrating upon all of the available video footage of the Mr. Floyd incident - from the time he leaves the store with the cigerettes until his death.

I must admit, after watching this incredibly disturbing video I am emotionally charged/triggered. I now believe this occurred and officer Chauvin, who kept his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck after he was clearly passed out, is supremely culpable.

I will defer to the police officers out there on whether this is proper procedure/technique in this situation.

Wrestling experience leads me to believe that there would be a different " feel" of the restrained suspect: ranging from resisting, not resisting but conscious, and unconscious.

Intuitively I would hope that police training would ensure:

1. The consciousness of the suspect is being continuously monitored.

2. Applied pressure be appropriately reduced or eliminated based on what state of consciousness the suspect is in.

The narrator also mentions:

1. According to state law -restraining forces should only be applied if the suspect is actively resisting - obviously from the video - this was not the case.

2. Body cam footage has not been released.

Again, I will defer to the police officers out there - but it does appears that the police officer did violate procedure/law in his continued use of reasonable restraining force well beyond what is normal or reasonable.

3. Pending a correction from experienced police officers: Based on this video and considering Mr. Chauvin's prior incidents, I now believe that a strong case can be made for Mr. Chauvin's conviction of involuntary manslaughter despite the toxicology report.

be well

Luke




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8

[DeDukshyn]

[QUOTE=Luke Holiday;1359253] .... With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

Either way, toxicology should have zero to do with that, if we see otherwise, it will be telling.'


… Perhaps...

One thing, you might consider regarding the state's Tox report - is that it shows a drug combination that in itself is potentially lethal (and of course the MSM have reported that autopsy reports he also had COVID 19)- not to mention the affects it would have on behavior.


Blessings Luke

The actual behaviour is all caught on video, including surveillance footage leading up to the arrest.

[Agape]

Agape, I am so sorry that you had to go through that. My heart goes out to you. I wish more people were aware of the intelligence community's role in Central and South America.

"I don’t trust anyone since, for their misogynist attitudes and effort to “blame the victim”. that is me in this case. Every man I encountered put this sour grin on their face as if I was the terrorist and there was some crime I did not admit to.
I was beaten repeatedly by sticks, almost strangled, survived half year in closed cell without escape, all in expense of your NSA." Agape


Thanks Autumn. I’m still on run for life to this time if you can take it, situation ongoing with that the public media is nowhere close to smart,
I have nowhere to testify.
[To correct and clarify my statement here even a little: it is not and never was my intention to speak of any of those dark matters . I’m Et witness, not a researcher to conspiracy theory or geopolitics.
There are very few people who have been exposed to anything similar, perhaps few of them can be found around this forum ..but the aspect of it being global operation and situation ongoing that can’t be stopped by any individual, from outside or inside the establishment escapes most of my best friends and uninitiated audience likewise.
No, this is not another “information leak”.
This is live situation that in itself has only limited number of outcomes]

They were more than pronounced about the role of intelligence operations in South America and almost all of the governments being run and influenced by them from their back and eventhough they are no one’s friend,
the Spanish and Portuguese patriarchy deals with them for their money, hope that’s clearly understandable.

They were well aware of looming pandemics, virus, and well prepared for any scenario from quarantine to civil war, years back already.

But of matters of importance we are not close to peak now, the situation is merely unravelling.
Quite like Covid situation turned almost unimportant after the protests took over and civil unrest seems to be “the biggest” threat we are facing,
the war goes on.

The US has just closed all passenger flights from China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52912517

That said I have no emotional attachment to “flights from China to the US”.

But they’re all getting ready.

The very move behind the Coronavirus pandemic situation was strategical. Every country got time to bring their citizens back and restore control and order under the call for “quarantine” thus test their defence abilities.

If they start war and the “top dogs” are aching to do that, mad with anger and power they could finally put on show, to “prove themselves right”,
in order to minimise damage on lives and civil property we will be under curfew again.

The nuclear situation was readying and escalating from several years back and attempts to trigger through low key players like the North Korea or Iran.
Seeing them too would be sacrificed in the big game openly,
confrontation had been triggered between China and the US.

If they start a war( and personally I pray, hope that’s the least likely possible scenario but my very mentality prevents me thinking in those avenues),
everything else as we talk of now will become subsidiary to that situation.


The likelihood of hard core ET intervention in case of global war is close to nil unless they will be trying to protect some peaceful human groups.

Well I’m placing this information in open now as it’s been discussed between us( and lots of other information). They are not necessarily “bad guys” but working under those who are much worse and want to play the game till the end.

🌈

[pueblo]

Interesting that the same doctor (Dr. Michael Baden) who did Epstein's autopsy is also doing George Floyd's!

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/ex-nyc-medical-examiner-to-perform-autopsy-on-george-floyd/

[TravelerJim]

One the keys to a successful psyop is to get the public emotionally involved in the storyline you are selling at the beginning of the process, so when evidence is uncovered to suggest that what one has been told is not necessarily the truth, emotions override logic and one continues to believe the original story being told.

With the being said, this is an interesting storyline: https://thedailycoin.org/2020/06/03/the-story-begins-to-unfold-floyd-chauvin/ Now, I don't know is any of this is true, the victim and the cop worked at the same nightclub which seemed to have connections with counterfeit money laundering and the intelligence community. So, did this prior connection have anything to do with the incident? I think we MIGHT find that there is much more to this story we have been told....

[Bill Ryan]

Just a broad-brush note here, in brief terms, of what's happening. Many reading this will already be fully aware, but it's another useful reminder of a possible direction of discussion.


Hidden factors with agendas are fueling the violent riots and looting. (Pallets of bricks are mysteriously appearing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFYnbLtySus) to provide ammunition, etc etc etc.)
The police do their best to deal with the violence, which is their job. And many of them do their best to show their sympathy for and alliance with the peaceful protestors.
But the US media (except for Fox News) stresses that police violence is being used against the peaceful protestors. Very little is mentioned any more about the violence and real problems occurring in inner cities every night.
The same is reported in many other countries. Trump's words about the need to maintain law and order are being criticized or knowingly taken out of context.
Videos showing the rather more shady aspects of George Floyd's lifestyle are disappearing.
It's starting to look orchestrated, as if the same hidden senior authority is now at work again as became evident in defining the language of global governmental Covid-19 rhetoric.
Right on cue, Obama is now starting to make 'presidential' speeches, the ones that Trump should be making. (Whatever you might think about either of them, Obama is a better orator, and often seems to have a better speechwriter.)

I posted the above yesterday, and I think it bears emphasizing. I have a lot of time and respect for Tucker Carlson, and he's been making similar articulate points every day.

Here's his latest, dated last night. For him, this is quite long. There's not a thing he says that I disagree with.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwif8PF1EI

[Kryztian]

Vj7D4-VLZlQ

Keeping all the things I mind that Candace Owens just said, we still need to demand justice for George Floyd, but this should inform how we go about it.

[Agape]

New charges for all 4 officers (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52915019)

Finally. The other 3 attending officers, Thomas Lane, Alexandr Kueng and Tou Thao charged with aiding and abetting second-degree “taking of life”.

Can foresee how this will unravel whole new conspiracy theory because the poor dears “did not know what they were doing”.

Call Jesus on 0.0000000000001 in case that’s not true.


Pardon my trespasses


💧
🍵

[Paprika]

Former Black Lives Matter Ferguson Organizer Chaziel Sunz, spoke up to expose BLM, Democrats, ANTIFA, and more in the video below.

In 2017, Chaziel Sunz shined the light on who pays for ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, and what the plan is of the Democratic Party who are using these groups.

In a 2017 Article (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/former-black-lives-matter-activist-quits-movement-discovering-soros-hacks-took-movement-video/) it states he was a BLM Organizer despite what his FB page says now.

Please watch below.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/qkpAjfWebyh7/

[Luke Holiday]

New charges for all 4 officers (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52915019)

Finally. The other 3 attending officers, Thomas Lane, Alexandr Kueng and Tou Thao charged with aiding and abetting second-degree “taking of life”.

Can foresee how this will unravel whole new conspiracy theory because the poor dears “did not know what they were doing”.

Call Jesus on 0.0000000000001 in case that’s not true.


Pardon my trespasses


💧
🍵


You may be right, one thing you might consider: is that often in these situations the senior officer will take charge and dictate the course of action. - ( Not saying it is right - just looking at it from both sides and remembering they have families as well)

Blessings Luke

[Agape]

New charges for all 4 officers (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52915019)

Finally. The other 3 attending officers, Thomas Lane, Alexandr Kueng and Tou Thao charged with aiding and abetting second-degree “taking of life”.

Can foresee how this will unravel whole new conspiracy theory because the poor dears “did not know what they were doing”.

Call Jesus on 0.0000000000001 in case that’s not true.


Pardon my trespasses


💧
🍵


You may be right, one thing you might consider: is that often in these situations the senior officer will take charge and dictate the course of action. - ( Not saying it is right - just looking at it from both sides and remembering they have families as well)

Blessings Luke


Yes, that’s completely correct. It’s a sad truth not a sarcasm. My heart goes out to all those people 🐳 much sadness.

People also turn simply paralysed witnessing the act performed in front of their eyes, by senior in charge.

That’s how all of this disgusting scene of situation is more risky for being exposed and publicised knowingly or not, it wakes more violence and greater desire in those for even bigger violence. It rises global alerts.

Life matters. Lives matter. Intelligent life matters.


If there’s few people on the top and their kids who keep looking to mirrors all life just to admire them-selves it makes me cry really


💧


They have the right to defend themselves in the court, will be given whole battery of psychological tests and may explain their relationship to their superior.
It points to the direction of that person being quite sadistic ( or quite setup but sadistic in either case).

That’s how killing or trying to kill people is never a good idea.

It’s what I told my friends as well, just NOT A GOOD IDEA trying to go around people by tricks, never a good idea.
Not a good idea to set up people on path of manipulation, not a good idea to kill. Not a humane idea, not worthy modern human thought.

Setting whole chain of erroneous circumstances.

[DeDukshyn]

Right on cue, Obama is now starting to make 'presidential' speeches, the ones that Trump should be making. (Whatever you might think about either of them, Obama is a better orator, and often seems to have a better speechwriter.)

Obama is the greatest actor who ever lived, and I say that without a trace of irony as well as an intimate knowledge of the theater.

He was fully trained by an actor ... I can't recall who it was exactly, but the guy taught Obama to speak the way he does ... in the actors own style. Its a bit weird to see him talk because he sounds very much like Obama when he talks (as somewhat expected)

EDIT: I think it was this guy ... his speaking style sound familiar?

GFEdkobJNjU

Anyway, back to topic ...

[Gwin Ru]

There was a video showing when Floyd resisted arrest and that's when he was put in the back of the police cruiser #320 after the events mentioned here:

The actual arrest where the "arrestors" are seen coming from across the street where the police car # 320 is parked on the other street and where the two officers are seen wearing body cams (black rectangular patch on right pocket and on chest) and where Floyd is seen being walked back without resistance to the # 320 car at the end of the video (video is now unavailable) But I couldn't find that video anymore. Floyd was in the back of the car #320 and then pulled out of it to end up on the ground with 4 officers holding him down.

That's probably the reason why it took three days to charge these officers with manslaughter and the disappearance of that video but the circulation of the main one which allowed to lit the fuse to jump start the agenda.

[Kryztian]

I have to wonder why the case of George Floyd exploded so quickly into the media, while the case of the shooting and murder of Ahmaud Arberry has taken over three months to unfold. There are new developments in the case, and of course, it is CNN that found the way to convert this into the most explosive headlines:


Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/mcmichaels-hearing-ahmaud-arbery/index.html
(CNN)William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.
Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in February the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said. Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, Dial said.

When I compare these two cases, the Arbery shooting is clearly the much bigger outrage because:

The Arbery shooting was clearly a racially motivated shooting. The shooters clearly targeted Arbery because he was a black man jogging through "their" neighborhood and aggressively targeted him first by hitting him with their car and them shooting him. Since they decided to take their guns with them when they drove, it was clearly a planned crime on their part.


It took 3 days to charge Chauvin and another 4 to charge the other officers. By comparison, it took 10 weeks to charge Gregory and Travis McMichael and 12 weeks to charge William Bryan, and that happened, in part, because Arberry's family had retained a lawyer.


Arbery fits the description of "innocent victim" much better than Floyd. Arbery was a friendly, well mannered college student. Floyd, meanwhile, had multiple convictions including robbery with a gun, was possibly passing counterfit bills at the time he was arrested and may have been high. This isn't to say that what happened to either one of them wasn't a complete outrage and totally undeserved, no matter what their backgrounds were.

This should leave one to ask, why didn't the nation breakdown in late February and early March to protest against the wrongful death of Arbery and malfunction of the "justice" system and why is it doing it now in May and June?

[Luke Holiday]

"3. Pending a correction from experienced police officers: Based on this video and considering Mr. Chauvin's prior incidents, I now believe that a strong case can be made for Mr. Chauvin's conviction of involuntary manslaughter despite the toxicology report"

be well

Luke

… Just wanted to further the discussion with:

Then why does this all feel so orchestrated?

Mr Floyd's family attorney stated in an interview: The case would not have been filed if it were not for the riots. I immediately thought- "And the riots would not have happened if not for media focused magnification."

Could it be that the media has consciously hand picked this case to magnify and exploit in order to fulfill an agenda?

Here is an article covering the yearly rate of police caused deaths in the US citing on average 3 per day: https://theconversation.com/police-kill-about-3-men-per-day-in-the-us-according-to-new-study-100567.

I certainly do not recall the MSM reporting on anywhere near that rate of occurance.

My other thought is in regards to police training. I heard on a colbert report that the rates of police brutality skyrocketed after 9/11, My question is why? The answer has to be in the training.

I found this article from 2012 focusing on police vs prison restraint techniques which is eerily germaine to this case. I have highlighted excerpts

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2012-01-31/police-guidelines-permit-techniques-that-can-kill

Despite a body of research on the dangers of certain restraint holds, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) says no restraint techniques are prohibited, as long as an officer can show the use of force was proportionate.

According to the IPCC, between 1998 and 2009, there were 16 deaths in which restraint was a direct or contributory factor.
‘
Common law allows officers to use proportionate force to defend themselves or effect an arrest.’

The current ACPO lead on restraint, Commander Simon Pountain, said: ‘Officers are required to make split-second decisions in difficult situations. Where an individual is violent and represents a danger to themselves and the public, the police are rightly expected to restrain them for their own safety and to protect other members of the public.

‘Foremost in officers’ minds is the safe resolution to volatile situations, not a medical diagnosis.'

A technique which is sighted as a factor in so called ‘deaths in custody’ is what is known as ‘prone restraint’. It involves forcing a suspect face-down onto the floor, cuffing their hands behind their back and then putting pressure on their torso, shoulders and neck.

For example, an officer may pin the suspect’s body to the floor with a knee on their back, and another may immobilise the suspect’s head by kneeling on their neck.

In comparison, there have been only two deaths following restraint in the prison service in the last 15 years. Experts suggest this is because stricter guidelines on the use of prone restraint were introduced during the mid-1990s following a spate of restraint-related deaths in prisons.

Prison service rules now state that ‘a prisoner must never [original emphasis] be kept in the prone position with their hands held behind their back in ratchet handcuffs’.

The prison guidelines add: ‘Pressure should not be placed on the neck, especially around the angle of the jaw or windpipe. Pressure on the neck, particularly in the region below the angle of the jaw (carotid sinus) can disturb the nervous controls to the heart and lead to a sudden slowing or even stoppage of the heart’. (Please note this is where I have been proven wrong in prior posts on this thread - apologies to BR, Christian, and Autumn)


Police training does raise awareness of the dangers of prone restraint, but it is less strictly worded than prison officer training. A 2004 Metropolitan Police review recommended learning from the approach of the prison service.

The review stated: ‘Lessons can be learned from the Prison Service where team leaders are employed to direct restraint teams. [U][I][SIZE="3"]The role of the supervisor is to take immediate charge of the incident, monitor the health of the person being restrained and actively control the restraints being applied’.

But Deborah Coles, director of Inquest, a charity that takes on cases involving deaths in custody, believes there are ‘fundamental problems’ in the effectiveness of police training in restraint.

If someone puts you in a position where you can’t breathe, you’re going to struggle to get out of that position, which is wrongly being perceived as resisting"

Referring to guidelines she said: ‘My fear is, and I do put this in the context of cuts to frontline services, that there is the ever-present risk of death and serious injury and that this is an issue that does require proper public and parliamentary attention as a matter of urgency.’

Dr Parkes recently completed a Youth Justice Board-funded study on the dangers associated with sitting restraint techniques – thought to be some of the least dangerous restraint methods.

He said: ‘In the cases in our research, we have used no extreme force, but in some cases have restricted their ability to breathe by up to 80%… That was done with very, very little force indeed.’

‘If someone puts you in a position where you can’t breathe, you’re going to struggle to get out of that position. One of the things that’s going to happen is the people restraining are going to perceive that as a renewed attempt to escape’, leading them to apply even more force.

‘In fact, if you were able to question the person, they would tell you ‘I wasn’t trying to escape, I just couldn’t breathe’.’




So my question is who determines police training ciriculum regarding restraint techniques and why haven't they been modified?


1. Is the prison system considered a "safer environment" for prison guards thus disallowing the prone restraint in favor of prisoner safety? or

2. Do the officials controlling the police department training desire a more authoriatian, militant approach in order to serve an agenda of control?

3. David Icke talks about favorable police acceptance of narcissitic, non-empathetic, personality disordered applicants. Should this also be a focal point for change within the U.S. Police department?

Blessings

Luke

[DaveToo]

There was a video showing when Floyd resisted arrest and that's when he was put in the back of the police cruiser #320 after the events mentioned here:

The actual arrest where the "arrestors" are seen coming from across the street where the police car # 320 is parked on the other street and where the two officers are seen wearing body cams (black rectangular patch on right pocket and on chest) and where Floyd is seen being walked back without resistance to the # 320 car at the end of the video (video is now unavailable) But I couldn't find that video anymore. Floyd was in the back of the car #320 and then pulled out of it to end up on the ground with 4 officers holding him down.

That's probably the reason why it took three days to charge these officers with manslaughter and the disappearance of that video but the circulation of the main one which allowed to lit the fuse to jump start the agenda.


Well I don't know the reason for the delay in charging the other officers, they could clearly be seen in the other videos, just standing there either holding Floyd down or watching.

But thanks to those who posted this new video, because it's the first time I am seeing Floyd actually being in the cruiser.

So why did they pull him out? Because he said he was claustrophobic? He was pulled out just seconds after being shoved into the car.
That would be a pretty quick reaction to a possible request wouldn't you say?

It's more difficult to strangle someone with your knee if they are sitting inside the back of the car.

[Hym]

The narrative of George Floyd's death is being hyped so aggressively now because it is another injustice that justice should address, yet but one that cannot really be addressed so easily and so quickly without falling prey to media and political manipulation that dilutes the efforts needed to do all of the works ahead.

AND

because the false and inhumane, the bio-weaponized Fauci Flu Project is being called out for the dark agenda it was always created to prepare for, which is the advancement of deeper controls upon the populations that feed the banking beast, the technocratic state and the debased cravings of the dark elite.

In response, this is the logical next step to all of the many scientists calling out the deeper issues of the criminalities within the agencies that created the viruses and the media they have used to shut down entire worldwide economies.

Especially now when decades of documented research show a long history of lies, ultimately exposing those media controlled pharmaceutical industries to trillions of dollars in liability amidst the real world, unacknowledged trauma and deaths purposely imposed on millions of children worldwide. This is all getting to hot for the agenda to stay in the same lane.

They now refocus, inject the new orders to the media and call out their dogs of dissension, aligned against the human will, with all of their degrees and social clout, to change the public focus.

Undeniable injustices that have to be dealt with and the timing at the end of a lockdown based on shadow science? This Is No Coincidence and all of the distractions that are sold from here on out won't be a coincidence either.

It is the perfect time to manipulate the public focus, but it's only a danger to us if we can't walk and chew gum at the same time, apparently emotionally destabilized enough to Not be able to do what we all have been doing most of our lives, which is not the case. Quite the opposite considering many of us have naturally been working on many of the issues we are now seeing manipulated by the media.

Still, some of our existence here, maybe the largest part of it, is totally dependent upon us doing much more than speaking out. Many of us here are here just for this.

The truths of police criminality are centuries long, but did you stop breathing too?

AND

because all of the Antifa monies that need to be paid out, are burning a hole in the Soros/Clinton accounts,

And

because the 3rd and 4th and the 5th war-gamed scenarios, developed in the sewers of corporate controlled intelligence agencies who've been doing this for decades, are all ready and waiting for each successive act of the play to end.


There is no social distance but the one you choose to keep. I would suggest social distance is only there to be bridged with your honest, positive and heart felt steps.

Can you walk thru the fear of others? Will you step thru the illusion of media training and live the healthy life you can choose?

There is only the physical distance of your common sense, not the space that legalized injustice creates.

Keep your intelligence and your insights, Our Humanities, always in touch with your daily lives.

If you are studying and communicating about an issue of import to you and your life Keep It Going. Do not let all of these successive planned scenarios distract you from the plans you choose for your futures and the futures of your children.

Remember that distraction from the action, created by a controlled reaction that those of ill intent have planned, is intended to manipulate the truth of your personal focus.

Keep your feet on the ground and continue to inform, to share, to inquire, to dig deeper, to add your insights to the mix.

[Bill Ryan]

There was a video showing when Floyd resisted arrest and that's when he was put in the back of the police cruiser #320 after the events mentioned here:

The actual arrest where the "arrestors" are seen coming from across the street where the police car # 320 is parked on the other street and where the two officers are seen wearing body cams (black rectangular patch on right pocket and on chest) and where Floyd is seen being walked back without resistance to the # 320 car at the end of the video (video is now unavailable) But I couldn't find that video anymore. Floyd was in the back of the car #320 and then pulled out of it to end up on the ground with 4 officers holding him down.

That's probably the reason why it took three days to charge these officers with manslaughter and the disappearance of that video but the circulation of the main one which allowed to lit the fuse to jump start the agenda.

I've not seen that video, and if anyone has a link to it, we'll immediately download it for the archive.

But for whatever it might be worth, this was published in the New York Times today.


https://nytimes.com/2020/06/04/us/politics/george-floyd-witness-maurice-lester-hall.html

Witness Who Was in Floyd’s Car Says His Friend Did Not Resist Arrest

Maurice Lester Hall, who fled Minneapolis after witnessing George Floyd’s death, was arrested Monday in Houston and interviewed by a Minnesota investigator.

WASHINGTON — A longtime friend of George Floyd’s who was in the passenger seat of Mr. Floyd’s car during his fatal encounter with a Minneapolis police officer said on Wednesday night that Mr. Floyd tried to defuse the tensions with the police and in no way resisted arrest.

“He was, from the beginning, trying in his humblest form to show he was not resisting in no form or way,” said the friend, Maurice Lester Hall, 42, who was tracked down on Monday in Houston, arrested on outstanding warrants and interviewed by Minnesota state investigators.

“I could hear him pleading, ‘Please, officer, what’s all this for?’” Mr. Hall said in an interview on Wednesday night with The New York Times.

Mr. Hall recounted the last moments with Mr. Floyd on Memorial Day, May 25, after they had spent part of the day together.

“He was just crying out at that time for anyone to help because he was dying,” Mr. Hall said. “I’m going to always remember seeing the fear in Floyd’s face because he’s such a king. That’s what sticks with me, seeing a grown man cry, before seeing a grown man die.”

Mr. Hall is a key witness in the state’s investigation into the four officers who apprehended Mr. Floyd, including Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Mr. Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes, even after he became unresponsive.

But Mr. Hall — who had outstanding warrants for his arrest on felony possession of a firearm, felony domestic assault and felony drug possession — provided a false name to officers at the scene of Mr. Floyd’s arrest, according to a Minnesota official.

Mr. Hall left Minneapolis and hitchhiked to Houston two days later, after visiting a memorial at the site of the police encounter.

“When the whole world was finding out that they murdered George Floyd,” he said, “I went and said a prayer where I witnessed him take his last breath, and I left.”

Mr. Hall said he had left dinner with his family late this Monday evening when their car was surrounded by at least a dozen law enforcement officers. After his arrest, he was questioned for hours by a Minnesota state investigator about Mr. Floyd’s death — not about his warrants. Mr. Hall was then transferred to the Harris County Jail in Houston, and on Tuesday, he returned to his home in the city, after his lawyers fought for his release.

“When Mr. Hall’s family found us, he had been isolated in jail for 10 hours after being interrogated until 3 a.m.,” said Ashlee C. McFarlane, a partner at Gerger Khalil Hennessy & McFarlane, who is representing Mr. Hall. “This is not how you treat a key witness, especially one that had just seen his friend murdered by police. Even with outstanding warrants, this should have been done another way.”

“I knew what was happening, that they were coming. It was inevitable,” Mr. Hall said in the interview with The Times. “I’m a key witness to the cops murdering George Floyd, and they want to know my side. Whatever I’ve been through, it’s all over with now. It’s not about me.”

Mr. Hall and Mr. Floyd, both Houston natives, had connected in Minneapolis through a pastor and had been in touch every day since 2016. Mr. Hall said that he considered Mr. Floyd a confidant and a mentor, like many in the community, and that he went back to Houston because the “only ties I had in Minnesota that had me Houston-rooted was George.”

Agents of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is building the state’s case against Mr. Chauvin and the three other officers involved in the Floyd case, “attempted to contact Mr. Hall numerous times to no avail,” said Bruce Gordon, a spokesman for the bureau.

Mr. Hall said that he was distraught and working through his trauma with his family, and was not taking phone calls in the days immediately after.

The bureau asked law enforcement agents in Texas to arrest Mr. Hall because it believed he was not cooperating with its investigation. Mr. Hall and Ms. McFarlane, his lawyer, said that he cooperated fully with the Minnesota official’s interview.

“They got a testimony, and that’s what they were after,” Mr. Hall added. “They came and saw, and left me to fighting for my freedom.”

Passengers in the car with Mr. Floyd, a man and a woman, had remained unidentified until Mr. Hall spoke with The Times on Wednesday. Mr. Hall said that he did not know the woman’s name.

Minnesota officials said on Wednesday that the state had upgraded the charges against Mr. Chauvin to second-degree murder from third-degree murder and manslaughter. They also charged the other three officers (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charged.html) who took part in the fatal arrest — Thomas Lane, 37, J. Alexander Kueng, 26, and Tou Thao, 34 — with aiding and abetting murder.

All four officers were fired (https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/26/us/26reuters-minneapolis-police.html?searchResultPosition=4) the day after Mr. Floyd died and video of his death went viral online.

“I walk with Floyd,” Mr. Hall said. “I know that I’m going to be his voice.”

[AutumnW]

Luke, You wrote:

"Again, I will defer to the police officers out there - but it does appears that the police officer did violate procedure/law in his continued use of reasonable restraining force well beyond what is normal or reasonable.

3. Pending a correction from experienced police officers: Based on this video and considering Mr. Chauvin's prior incidents, I now believe that a strong case can be made for Mr. Chauvin's conviction of involuntary manslaughter despite the toxicology report." Luke
**********************************************************************

I note you advance, retreat, subtly walk back statements that are disapproving of the cop's behavior etc...This is formulaic and something I am familiar with though it just might fly under the radar of other members.

For example--appearing to approve of a conviction of involuntary manslaughter? That's a relatively minor conviction. That's what you get for accidentally backing over somebody while driving. The conviction for the cop would have to conform with the idea that he "accidentally" killed someone while engaging in sadistic behavior, where death could clearly be the result. That's murder.

In another post you appeal to our 'diplomatic' instincts by asking member to remember the cops have families too, as if this realization isn't axiomatic. My first instincts when witnessing a public lynching isn't to consider the families of the lynchers. It is to focus on the family of the fellow who was murdered.

In at least every other post you have highlighted that George was on meth etc...This is under debate, yet you are still hammering away on it. We are to remember the cops families, while slowly being conditioned to think of Floyd George as a meth addict, a person just above an animal.

You may fly under the radar of others here, but you don't fly under mine. But by all means, keep it up. I'll call you on every damn post you write where I see a distinct pattern--particularly the faux diplomat pattern.

[AutumnW]

Hi Kryztian,

You wrote:

This should leave one to ask, why didn't the nation breakdown in late February and early March to protest against the wrongful death of Arbery and malfunction of the "justice" system and why is it doing it now in May and June?

It's terrible, yes, but they weren't cops, just two yahoos trying to Make America Great Again. The incident surely added to the simmer but it burst into full boil with a sadistic killing caught in high definition on video. So often cases like George's are obscured by smoke and mirrors and video shot from a distance at dusk, so it just adds to the confusion. But this? No confusion, nobody can deny it.

[Hym]

The details of George Floyds detention show the hallmarks of the officer's intent to harm and to kill without any regard to his personal and his Human Rights.

Any one who has dealt with a drunk subject, a loved one, a friend, a stranger even, knows the difference between a passive, non-combative and compliant person as George was in this instance and one who poses a threat to the officers or others. This is a clear cut case of a psychopath used to abusing those his job exists to protect. His 17 previous complaints show the pattern of his non-compliance to his sworn duties.

There never is a case where a person's past should have any influence on how he is treated in relation to any current offense he is accused of, especially one involving a misdemeanor where a citation should be the only issuance by a police agency. For $20 and a pack of cigarettes?

It is also clinically and morally correct to charge those officers who were not only complicit in allowing Chauvin to carry out his fatal attack on George, but who also contributed to George's inability to breath by keeping their pressure on his chest, making it entirely impossible for him to expand his chest long enough to take air in, even if Chauvin had removed his pressure on the neck. Chauvin's order to keep the other officers on his body made death much more likely. Any EMT, any doctor, any ground fighter will tell you that this action was filled with malice of intent to injure and/or to kill.

Any good trainer, especially one that deals with the public, teaches his students to know when to be individually responsible for their actions and not just because there may be legal liability for not acting responsibly in a dangerous situation. This includes the practice of quickly assessing our own part in any action.

A good trainer will practice a scenario where it is vital for any secondary player to step in and say NO, to step up and back out, to verbalize a Stop! and even to physically engage enough to end a life-threatening action by another.


Chauvin's continuance of non-stop pressure on George's neck was done with extreme malice of intent, minute after minute. That man intended, not long into his restraint of this man, to kill him. Look at his face as he continues to apply pressure. Look at his expressionless face as a man cries out for air, for his mother, for gods sake! That's the face of a murderer. I've seen it before and it is distinctly disconnected, the mark of a darkness deep inside the soul.

[fractal being]

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Keeping all the things I mind that Candace Owens just said, we still need to demand justice for George Floyd, but this should inform how we go about it.

It's shameful how this ugly soul, that obviously hasn't worked a single hour in her life, uses the privilege that was given to her in order to propagate the same nonsense used to whitewash every police brutality from self righteous white supremacists. George Floyd is a martyr and a hero because at his very last moments was pleading for his "moma" to help him. That plea doesn't usually come from a monster, but from a place of love. I hope she's happy with the money she's being paid for and that one day she won't have to see her child pleading for her help at their last moment. Not to mention her disturbingly screeching voice...


Floyd, meanwhile, had multiple convictions including robbery with a gun, was possibly passing counterfit bills at the time he was arrested and may have been high.

And it's shameful from you Kryztian for bringing the argument to such a low level. I'm surprised because I normally enjoy your posts, but here you're completely off the point. Why does it matter what his past was? Who can blame a poor person, who probably was pushed around since a young age in the margins of society, for being trapped in small crime activity? At least he spent 5 years in prison paying for his deeds and probably came out of there even more damaged than he already was thanks to the criminally flawed prison system. Most of the major criminals of society (bankers, politicians, ivy league technocrats, fake journos etc.) are walking around free without spending a single hour in jail to face their crimes and probably pointing the finger towards their victims. Floyd was killed because of his color and his social status, not because of his past convictions, period.

[Luke Holiday]

Hello Autumn (Mr. Hyde)


Fair enough: and I agree that it could be interpreted that way:

Yes, my position has changed, but definitely not for diplomatic reasons (Any doubts take a gander at the Kerry Cassidy book thread (it is here you will find the real genesis behind Mr. Hide's angst towards me) - not that diplomacy isn't important - it is - but my passion is in discovering the truth. ) and it is most certainly not faux.

My position changed after viewing the posted video followed by reviewing police training data. I honestly had not seen the footage where the officers kept the pressure on for several minutes while MR. Floyd was obviously passed out - This shook me! It shook to my core - as I felt like I had just witnessed a man die unnecessarily.

The position/opinion was changed after becoming aware of more information.

Shouldn't everyone on this forum be allotted that same courtesy?

I would advocate for a public discussion forum that allows for the freedom to express opinions and viewpoints in a friendly, comfortable, non pejorative environment with the security of being able to modify, remold and then re-declare that opinion/belief as more data becomes available. Isn't that what this is all about? Isn't that why we are here?

Now getting back to discovering the truth.

Regarding Mr. Floyd and the toxicology report: I was not aware that it was up for debate. I am under the impression that the state's official report is established and identifies that Mr. Floyd was fentanyl intoxicated combined with methamphetamine in his system at time of death. ( Please provide contrary evidence if you have it as I am open to changing my opinion) I do not believe that it is arguable that this combination is potentially lethal on its own - not to mention the adverse physiological effects it might have amplified. Does it make Mr. Floyd an animal - of course not Mr. Hyde - but it may cause one to die while in police restraint,

But - yes, now that I have more data, I have changed my position.. The prior position being, I was very suspicious and skeptical of it being a set up/psyop. After viewing the June 1st video I posted - I now believe that it happened- the media found the right story to magnify in order to promote an agenda and here we are. So, Mr Hide, what exactly do you find illegal, or wrong about that? Have I commited some sort of lenial Project Avalon sin in your snake eyes?

"Based on this video and considering Mr. Chauvin's prior incidents, I now believe that a strong case can be made for Mr. Chauvin's conviction of involuntary manslaughter despite the toxicology report."

Mr. Hyde, you have purposely confabulated my words by stating that I would "approve" of a manslaughter conviction. I would neither approve nor disapprove. I have been consistent in trying to remain objective - looking at the case from both sides with an unbiased perspective. I have come to the conclusion that involuntary manslaughter is the most likely legal outcome. Do I think that would be just or fair? Keeping emotional/visceral responses out of the equation: If you cannot convince a jury that Mr. Chauvin willfully killed Mr, Floyd, then - Yes, I believe it would be just.

Considering Mr. Floyd's significant drug intoxication combined with his resisting arrest and the difficulty in proving that the officers intentionally tried to kill Mr. Floyd - which is needed for Murder 1 - along the historical precedence of murder convictions of PO's in these type of cases being extremely difficult - ,Yes, I believe that Mr. Chauvin, acting as the senior officer in charge, will likely be convicted of Manslaughter and IMO the other junior officers who were following Mr, Chauvin's orders/direction are not culpable of murder. (Other charges may be appropriate here)

I would also hope for a discussion forum that allows one to apologize when he/she is wrong, makes a mistake, or simply changes his position - without being chastised or threatened by:

"I'll call you on every damn post you write where I see a distinct pattern--particularly the faux diplomat pattern" (Now there is the monster in the mirror you were talking about - MR HYDE (My, what faux diplomacy for those who have eyes to see)

I have apologized on posts/IM to Autumn, Chris and BR, for being wrong on prior posts concerning this thread. (Mr. Hide, have you ever apologized for being critical, wrong or changing an opinion on this forum - or would that be considered faux diplomacy?)

And lastly, in regards to "My first instincts when witnessing a public lynching isn't to consider the families of the lynchers. It is to focus on the family of the fellow who was murdered."

Yes Mr. Hide, it very easy to choose that side right now and not very popular to choose the other - but wouldn't it be more productive to understand and feel the emotions of both sides? Isn't this the only way to uncover and create solutions that will ensure this tragedy doesn't repeat itself?

This will likely not be popular right now - but truth dictates - I would like to acknowledge that this tragedy also involves junior officers who were quite likely doing the best job they were capable of doing: based on their training, experience and rank.

Here is recent article stating that 2 of the officers did speak up to the senior officer regarding being uncomfortable with what was going on:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapolis-cop-told-other-204547488.html

I do not believe the senior or junior officers had any desire to be involved in Mr. Floyds death or anyone's death that day, just as I know they had nothing to do with Mr. Floyd allegedly getting intoxicated, passing off counterfeit bills, and resisting arrest. No it does not justify being killed - but you cannot say that he bears no culpabity either. If he doesn't use illegal drugs, commit a crime, and then resist arrest - those police officers are not in jail facing murder charges and their families are not shattered. No, I do not believe Murder 1 is the right call here - congruently I do not believe it could be proven in court of law based on the evidence thus far.

Does anyone out there have family who are police officers or lost a loved one who was a police officer?

And you are right, I am guilty of trying to never forget that they have families, wives, and children - just like you and I - they are deserving of due process per the rule of law.

Mr. Hide it doesn't have to be an either/or - it can be a both/and :)

Regarding the three officers who were charged today with 2nd degree murder: I have been in the military and I know how hard it can be to try and overcome a senior officers dictates - especially during an intense/highly charged situation such as these junior officers were forced into. (see above article)

So, Mr. Hyde, If you feel you must challenge my every post- by all means - if that serves you - and is in the best interest of the forum - please do so. Personally, I learn better when pushed. :) But remember a mirror can work in both directions. Autumn, are you sure you want to continue seeing that monster. Are you sure you want to keep becoming Mr. Hyde?

Autumn, I would much rather we think of each other as allies, friends and cohorts working harmoniously on the same team, for a common goal …. which is personal growth through uncovering truth.

I understand you have an agenda to push and a need to set the narrative here - but this could be done far more effectively with tact and real diplomacy.

I have sent you an IM if you would like to attenuate your antagonism, and avoid having to see Mr. Hyde.

Your move chief..

Respectfully

Luke

[AutumnW]

So, autumn, If you feel you must challenge my every post- by all means - if that serves you and good of the forum please do so. Luke Holiday

Okay. I will.:sherlock:

[Alan]

The following video suggests that GF resisted getting put in the back seat of the police car, which is why he ended up on the ground.

Supposed GF indicated he was claustrophobic and did not want to get in the back of the car, which seems odd (he had just gotten out of another car).

The video also indicates that it was pretty clear GF was intoxicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8

[Mike]

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Keeping all the things I mind that Candace Owens just said, we still need to demand justice for George Floyd, but this should inform how we go about it.

It's shameful how this ugly soul, that obviously hasn't worked a single hour in her life, uses the privilege that was given to her in order to propagate the same nonsense used to whitewash every police brutality from self righteous white supremacists. George Floyd is a martyr and a hero because at his very last moments was pleading for his "moma" to help him. That plea doesn't usually come from a monster, but from a place of love. I hope she's happy with the money she's being paid for and that one day she won't have to see her child pleading for her help at their last moment. Not to mention her disturbingly screeching voice...


Floyd, meanwhile, had multiple convictions including robbery with a gun, was possibly passing counterfit bills at the time he was arrested and may have been high.

And it's shameful from you Kryztian for bringing the argument to such a low level. I'm surprised because I normally enjoy your posts, but here you're completely off the point. Why does it matter what his past was? Who can blame a poor person, who probably was pushed around since a young age in the margins of society, for being trapped in small crime activity? At least he spent 5 years in prison paying for his deeds and probably came out of there even more damaged than he already was thanks to the criminally flawed prison system. Most of the major criminals of society (bankers, politicians, ivy league technocrats, fake journos etc.) are walking around free without spending a single hour in jail to face their crimes and probably pointing the finger towards their victims. Floyd was killed because of his color and his social status, not because of his past convictions, period.



Her privilege? I'd love to know what you mean by that. "Privilege" is like the tofu of words nowadays; it can be used in a million different ways. I'd love to know exactly what you mean by that. She's black, so it can't be black privilege, can it? She's a woman too, so it certainly isn't female privilege, correct? This does amuse me a little, seeing as though according to the bible of social justice just these 2 qualifications alone should make her something like an intersectional paragon of oppression

oh, wait a sec, she's conservative. they don't count, right?

You can see how silly this all can get pretty quickly, yeah?

Owens was raised by her grandparents after her folks divorced. Suggests a broken home to me. She endured multiple racial death threats growing up too. Wasn't easy, apparently.

And it turns out she's worked a day in her life after all. Lots of 'em. She studied journalism at Rhode Island; became an intern at Vogue magazine; then got a job for a private equity firm in NY city, moving up the ranks to later become president. And now she's a very well known and highly successful conservative pundit.

Privilege? Sounds like competence and hard work to me.

Look, she's said and done quite a few controversial things, but silencing her seems a bit fascist to me.

Candace has some hits and misses in this video. I winced a few times and was enlightened a few times. Nothing wrong whatsoever with Chris posting this in my view

[Delight]

I know I have enjoyed "white privilege". Any (non Jewish) Caucasian DOES in the US. It is something built in and to deny that fact is an obstacle to dealing with the capacity of "invisible"racism to divide people. It does not mean we individual Caucasians are "oppressors" or active racists. IMO we don't need reparations for the past but we need a different culture.

As far as the division and violence potential between police and "the rest of us", there is an inherent us versus them that is WORST for non whites but is endemic. This episode is asking good questions IMO. It is strange to me that in the issue that I care bout (mandatory vaccination), a large percentage of followers of the High wire are white and possibly could be considered "white supremist"??? This video lays it on the line that white people just don't experience what others who are not white DO in America. An accepted racism never ended.

It is really really a weirdly scary time but also COULD BE a breakthrough moment... THE breakthrough I dream about where we respect one another as friends (maximum support), leave one another to make individual choices (minimal laws) and also KEEP EVOLVING (ongoing self TRUTH)!!!

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[Mike]

ok, hang on Delight, let me get this straight:

Jews don't have "white privilege"? This is a little confusing to me because most of them are white.

Do you think those secretive patriarchs of white privilege handing out white privilege chips can just tell on arrival that they're jews, and withhold privilege as a result?

And are they holding out privilege because Jews represent an "oppressed" group? Most Jews I know don't seem too oppressed. Seem to be doing ok in the world. Some even say they're ruling it.

And if they are oppressed, is it because of the Holocaust? Is it because of all that time God kept them in the desert during biblical times? Because that seems like an awfully long time ago. Does historical oppression only count now if it was relatively recent? If so, how recent? What's the cut off point?

Look, if you go back far enough and long enough, everybody has been oppressed in some horrific way. So your distinctions feel a little arbitrary to me. I'm not trying to be glib; trying to prove a point.

[Delight]

ok, hang on Delight, let me get this straight:

Jews don't have "white privilege"? This is a little confusing to me because most of them are white.

Do you think those secretive patriarchs of white privilege handing out white privilege chips can just tell on arrival that they're jews, and withhold privilege as a result?

And are they holding out privilege because Jews represent an "oppressed" group? Most Jews I know don't seem too oppressed. Seem to be doing ok in the world. Some even say they're ruling it.

And if they are oppressed, is it because of the Holocaust? Is it because of all that time God kept them in the desert during biblical times? Because that seems like an awfully long time ago. Does historical oppression only count now if it was relatively recent? If so, how recent? What's the cut off point?

Look, if you go back far enough and long enough, everybody has been oppressed in some horrific way. So your distinctions feel a little arbitrary to me. I'm not trying to be glib; trying to prove a point.

I live in North Georgia. It was only in this decade that there were enough male people here with the heritage of Judaism to be able to have a congregation. There is a definite prejudice against Jews where I live. I know too that it was WAY worse in the South for Jews up to the 1960's. That's all I KNOW from personal experience.


Look, if you go back far enough and long enough, everybody has been oppressed in some horrific way. So your distinctions feel a little arbitrary to me. I'm not trying to be glib; trying to prove a point.

It doesn't REALLY matter if we disagree. At this point, with all the confusion, the insanity and the absurdity, it may not matter what any of us think? It may come down to simply the bookend of death and what we DO before then. IF confronted PERSONALLY with a moment of opportunity to stand for what we value, do we have something we DO stand for?

I really feel happy because I feel connected to some ideals that I hear form others like Del Bigtree. He does not inform my POV, he says it TOO. I would love to live in the world where I dream us all empowered by ever more elegant truth.

[Hym]

It is clear that after George Floyd was taken out of his own car, handcuffed and was then taken over and onto the sidewalk that he was ALREADY in a state of both physical and mental distress. He sat down on the ground with his hands cuffed behind him and attempted to catch his breath. The officer who took him over there had to have known his current state of stress, not only by listening to him ask Why he was being held, but by how the store owners noted when they called the police in the first place.

It is the policeman's job to De-escalate the situation when a subject is under the influence and non-combative, even if the subject is asking for an explanation for his being detained. Good training teaches that there is no way to know what other substances the subject may or may not have in their system and in that case, without a combative situation being at hand, care must be taken to deal with the subject. Slow down. Attempt to calm the subject down. Communicate. Listen.

When the situation comes to this, it is always in the best interests of all involved to call in for medical assistance, to call in an EMT unit to assess the subject's condition. I know of departments that have learned to ask for medical evaluations, asap, even if only in the interest of their own legal protections. In doing so a subject will often tell an EMT the truth about any thing else they may have taken, as it is the EMT's protocol to do so.

With a better knowledge of a patient's true condition the officers then have a more reasonable basis for dealing with the situation. However, that is if they care and if they do not have another agenda in dealing with a subject.


Did George know that he was going to be assaulted when Chauvin showed up? Was that the reason why he resisted being transferred to another car? Did he see this coming while he was already in a state of stress due to his intoxication, with the addition of fentanyl and speed in his system?

[fractal being]

Her privilege? I'd love to know what you mean by that. "Privilege" is like the tofu of words nowadays; it can be used in a million different ways. I'd love to know exactly what you mean by that. She's black, so it can't be black privilege, can it? She's a woman too, so it certainly isn't female privilege, correct? This does amuse me a little, seeing as though according to the bible of social justice just these 2 qualifications alone should make her something like an intersectional paragon of oppression

oh, wait a sec, she's conservative. they don't count, right?

You can see how silly this all can get pretty quickly, yeah?

Owens was raised by her grandparents after her folks divorced. Suggests a broken home to me. She endured multiple racial death threats growing up too. Wasn't easy, apparently.

And it turns out she's worked a day in her life after all. Lots of 'em. She studied journalism at Rhode Island; became an intern at Vogue magazine; then got a job for a private equity firm in NY city, moving up the ranks to later become president. And now she's a very well known and highly successful conservative pundit.

Privilege? Sounds like competence and hard work to me.

Look, she's said and done quite a few controversial things, but silencing her seems a bit fascist to me.

Candace has some hits and misses in this video. I winced a few times and was enlightened a few times. Nothing wrong whatsoever with Chris posting this in my view

Actually I didn't care much about her background until you mentioned it, since I was merely criticizing her on the video linked. So I had to look (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens) her up. It's actually a lot worse than I thought. So she started college with money she earned by suing white people and settling with them for money. She never went past junior year in college, but still managed to push a career starting as an intern in vogue magazine, a venue pushing cheap stereotypes for women all around and definitely dark cabal agenda. So how did she managed that at the age of 20 without a proper education? I have some ideas on how she climbed the corporate hill, but I'll leave those to your imagination.

It seems to me that she's an awful opportunist that became republican overnight when she grabbed some conservative attention and was used from them in order to make them look more inclusive. I use the term conservative here quite loosely since apparently she's been supporting all sort of wrong things (KKK, Hitler and repeatedly disseminating hate speech against muslims and emigrants). Ever since it seems she went on a rampage blindly reproducing the Trump narratives and extreme right wing propagandas and not even apologising when she's wrong

In October 2018, during the mail bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens promoted the conspiracy theory that the bomb mailings were sent by leftists. After authorities on October 26 arrested a 56-year-old suspect who was a registered Republican and Trump supporter, Owens deleted her comments on Twitter without explanationIt also seems that she's harrassed family members of awful crime victims in the past

In August 2018, Owens had a dispute with a cousin of Mollie Tibbetts. Tibbetts was murdered, allegedly by Cristhian Bahena Rivera, a 24 year old Mexican undocumented immigrant. Tibbetts' cousin said that Owens had exploited Tibbetts' death for "political propaganda". Owens responded, describing the cousin's criticism as a "strange" attack on Trump supporters. Later that month the University of Iowa chapter of Turning Point USA criticized Owens for "public harassment" towards a member of Tibbetts' familyThere's a lot more about her, but let's not bring this thread way off topic. What I meant by privilege stands though. For whatever reason and however she was "pushed" by the right (no pun intended) people she came to a place that she has a venue for her voice to be heard and live a comfortable life, which many people from the black, mexican, indian and poor heritage don't have. Having come from that background she should be more compassionate about the struggles those people undergo. In some extent she's even worse than some white supremacists, because many whites are blissed with ignorance and don't have the experiences in life to empathise with struggling groups.

[Bill Ryan]

it appears to me that you sir are a white supremacist in denial.
Mod note from Bill:

That's 100% not okay. Please edit your post — thanks.

[fractal being]

Done bill. I repectfully disagree with you, but it's your house your rules.

[Caliban]

You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?


https://twitter.com/GameTimeWoo17/status/1266554187099365376?s=20

Here's more, and these "Chauvins" don't even look like each other.

https://twitter.com/Kate_Anon/status/1268341532521836544?s=20

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

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[enfoldedblue]

You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?


https://twitter.com/GameTimeWoo17/status/1266554187099365376?s=20

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

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Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.

[Caliban]

Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.


No, totally different facial structure. Not to mention, there's at least 10 years age difference.

[Bill Ryan]

What's starting to play out in both the mainstream and alternative media — and on many social network platforms, including this one — is a kind of PR war. This is all very dangerous.

We're now starting to see division on the forum about this, which is a symptom in our little microcosm of something far more major that may be affecting many millions of people out there.

All the issues involved are emotional ones, and that goes straight to the Achilles Heel of every one of us. Stay grounded and cool, and please think carefully before (and how) you post. No member here is the enemy of any other member.

:focus:

[Satori]

What's starting to play out in both the mainstream and alternative media — and on many social network platforms, including this one — is a kind of PR war. This is all very dangerous.

We're now starting to see division on the forum about this, which is a symptom in our little microcosm of something far more major that may be affecting many millions of people out there.

All the issues involved are emotional ones, and that goes straight to the Achilles Heel of every one of us. Stay grounded and cool, and please think carefully before (and how) you post. No member here is the enemy of any other member.

:focus:

Bump, bump, bump....

[Mike]

it appears to me that you sir are a white supremacist in denial.
Mod note from Bill:

That's 100% not okay. Please edit your post — thanks.


Black woman is unfairly labelled 'privileged' by someone. White guy that defends that black woman is called a 'white supremacist':)

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[shaberon]

It's possible the police had been tracking the counterfeit bills he'd been passing and were trying to catch him in the act, with the help of the store.


Wait, where does it say he had been passing bills?

He was a drug using minor thug in his own right, it may sound bad, but, compared to the public as a whole, that is NOTHING.

It would be correct that you see in a lot of real counterfeit cases, it is a batch of copies having the same serial number. So to an extent, it is possible to look for where x cash is showing up, and where it might be coming from.

Even if he was a suspect in an investigation, it would not have any bearing on the scuffle. I watched the police chase and catch a guy using their dogs one time, and about all that happened was he got a little dirty. I suppose because I'm not from Minneapolis and have bumped into the police myself, and have so many...countless...arrest stories of different kinds, I, nevertheless, have no story at all where any police ever belted out unnecessary force. It is likely departments are more violent and more corrupt in larger cities.

[Agape]

ok, hang on Delight, let me get this straight:

Jews don't have "white privilege"? This is a little confusing to me because most of them are white.

Do you think those secretive patriarchs of white privilege handing out white privilege chips can just tell on arrival that they're jews, and withhold privilege as a result?

And are they holding out privilege because Jews represent an "oppressed" group? Most Jews I know don't seem too oppressed. Seem to be doing ok in the world. Some even say they're ruling it.

And if they are oppressed, is it because of the Holocaust? Is it because of all that time God kept them in the desert during biblical times? Because that seems like an awfully long time ago. Does historical oppression only count now if it was relatively recent? If so, how recent? What's the cut off point?

Look, if you go back far enough and long enough, everybody has been oppressed in some horrific way. So your distinctions feel a little arbitrary to me. I'm not trying to be glib; trying to prove a point.



Jewishness is whole long historical, philosophical and (one type of) religious paradigm that evolved on path of thorns and sufferings indeed and long pilgrimage to “Home” wherever that Hime is.

Its expressions are countless and multicoloured as people but in the heart of the faith there is the same longing for home, for better new world, for golden age of truth and prosperity shared among all advanced people on this Planet.


Some of us call it Shambhala, others call it Valhalla, some call it their Mecca.It is one and the same thing. Some call it Hyperborea, yet others like me long for our home somewhere in the stars of Orion.


There is deep sense of longing and suffering all these people share indeed, from deep within. Is it a memory ? Is it a truth ? No it’s not a faith rained to books though we all are looking to books searching for records.


Now if all these people for once looked out of their isolated shelves and selves, their mentalities damaged by generations of barbarian attacks among reassurances of their grandmothers of them “too” being the Chosen People,
yes them too,

would not they find so many others in this world are longing for the same ???


Peace and prosperity and wisdom, wisdom that is born in every child, not one deserved only for patriarchs.

Themselves have been delegated to this world by their grandmothers and mothers of all tribes.

No one is more special than they themselves can understand. No on our own we do t have to suffer.



💫

[Luke Holiday]

So, autumn, If you feel you must challenge my every post- by all means - if that serves you and good of the forum please do so. Luke Holiday

Okay. I will.:sherlock:

… Great - now I know at least one person (Mr. Hyde/Hide) will be reading my posts:thumbsup:

[Mashika]

This is something i really can't figure out, how can this be?

If you are out there, on the street, and some guy wearing a cop uniform comes and basically tries to kill you are you not supposed to defend your life at all? (see the blood around the guys head) What is this?

In my home town, a cop or 100 cops doing that, would suddenly find themselves biting the dirt if they did that to an elder or a kid, or basically anyone that can defend themselves, because the AK's would popup out of the dirt by the hundreds along with a gazillion rounds and it would stop soon enough. Also the beating would be higher than most cops can run or get backup. You may hear different from tv or papers, but you are bad informed, very badly informed really

And this is "freedom" somehow? The next guy then gets lead into the swarm of cops and looks like he was arrested just because he tried to say something? wot?

I feel anger just watching this again lol, what happened next? We may never know, at least hope he did not die, but he did not look ok and the stupidity kept going even after he was down, they just walked around blaming others. I can almost hear the excuses now

https://twitter.com/davidbegnaud/status/1268716877355810818?

Well here's the explanation, he tripped and fell, he's old so there's that, too bad i guess

https://twitter.com/iam_johnw/status/1268754495997165568?s=21

[happyuk]

You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?


https://twitter.com/GameTimeWoo17/status/1266554187099365376?s=20

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

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Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.

I too have to respectively disagree. Superficially these guys look similar. But I notice Chauvin has a distinct widow's peak hairline, the other guy does not. Their right ears are different (some countries consider ear prints to be a more reliable means of identification than fingerprints). Their foreheads are different (Chauvin's is narrower) and both seem to have different forehead wrinkles.

They are similar in that both have a sour, discontented look about them, Chauvin seems almost deranged.

[Chester]

Here's a relevant story.

When I was 20 years old and had already begun to live a pattern of self destruction coupled with episodes of "loss of reality" that would culminate in psychosis, I jumped on an airplane with a few pounds of marijuana stashed in my suitcase. I was quite drunk as well. I learned later that because of my behavior on the airplane, the pilot informed the authorities ahead at my destination (Lubbock, Texas) that something wasn't right with me. Due to synchronistic events, I ended up being searched where the police found a few joints and, in my wallet, the baggage claim check.

I ended up in the Lubbock County jail where I was charged with felony possession of marijuana. Because I had already been convicted of a felony (I stole the lights off the top of a police car when I was 17), I was supposed to be placed in a tank on the 4th floor (previous felons were sent to the forth floor), but for some reason, they placed me on the third floor (first time offenders). Clue #1.

My parents decided I needed to "learn a lesson" and left me in jail despite bond being set very low. In my tank were about 25 of us. Myself, and a guy named Charlie White (his last name is likely why I remembered it - too synchronistic as you will read) were the only white guys in the tank. The rest were all black. Another interesting fact is that on each floor there were two tanks. And this explains why there were no latinos in our tank. The Latinos were in the other tank - why? I was told that the latinos and blacks would always try and kill each other so they kept them separate.

About 3 or 4 weeks into my "stay," a young black kid who was barely 18 returned from court. By this time, I had "graduated" to the first cell (with 4 bunks) inside the door. How I got there was I had figured out who was the "head of the tank," Norman Darden, and, (more luck), he liked to smoke hand rolled cigarettes but could barely roll them and I was an expert at rolling (though I never smoked tobacco). As the kid entered the tank, I was standing in the middle of my cell. The kid turned and looked at me and then came at me and did a drop kick right into my chest. I had never had a beef with this kid and it caught me off guard. I asked him, why? And he replied, "I just got five years down in Huntsville and the judge was white." Those were his exact words, words I've never forgotten. Clue #2.

About 5 or so weeks into my stay, my father flew up to Lubbock. I didn't even know he was there until the guard came to the side of the cell (as there was a walkway around the tank for the guards) and said my Dad wanted to see me... I was elated. Yet the visit was only me, on the inside of the tank doorway peering through a heavy glass window about a foot tall and wide with a screen mesh below it where one might hear the words of each other. As the metal covering swung open from the outside, there was my father with a real sad look on his face. He stood there for about 5 or so minutes and said nothing. Then he left. That was it. I was baffled. Clue #3.

A letter came from my step-mother who told me that Dad had hired a lawyer for me and that's why he had gone to Lubbock. It didn't really make sense to me as he didn't need to leave Dallas to hire a lawyer... keep this in mind for the end of the story.

A short time later, a few of the tank mates decided they would abuse Charlie White. I was pretty scared. They took him to the other end and beat him up a bit, but worse, they made him do something which scared me even more and I would rather not talk about. Somehow, they left me alone, perhaps because they knew Norman sort of protected me.

Soon after, Norman was promoted to Trustee and moved to the second floor. And luckily, I was offered trustee as well and felt my safety would benefit so I took the offer too and ended up on the second floor where all the trustees were housed.

There was one trustee, a latino guy, who somehow had the greatest trustee job of all. He was a typist and he was given a trustee job where he would go to the first floor and essentially do the sole clerical job for the sheriff deputies who were booking people in and out and who ran the jail. His job was so cool, they let him walk across the street to buy a coke from the coke machine. That was some serious trust! I looked at him like he was the coolest guy I ever knew.

Then one day, I learned that he had gone for a coke, and never came back.

Soon after, the lawyer came to visit me. He was allowed to see me through the catwalk as they called it - just bars between him and me. And he told me essentially this [paraphrased] - "I had lunch with the district attorney. I convinced him that the felony charge was a case of illegal search and seizure and they're dropping the felony. They are considering the four joints as a class A misdemeanor and if you plead guilty, they'll give you time served and you can go home with the understanding you leave Lubbock immediately upon your release. Court is set for next Tuesday," (it was the Friday before). Clue #4

I was elated (of course). Somehow skated through again! Interestingly, the day before court, one of the jailers told me I was offered the clerk job (because I had also proven I could type). I remember feeling a strange sadness that I wouldn't have the opportunity to show them I could be trusted and wouldn't run off.

So 65 days after my arrest, I was picked up at the jail by the lawyer and taken to court. And just after the proceeding, the lawyer took me straight to the airport and I've never been back to Lubbock, Texas since.

And now for Clue #5. My father died a few years after the Lubbock event. He was 44, suffered from depression and had committed suicide, likely tipped over the edge by the sudden death of his wife, my step-mother from pancreatic cancer. Years later (around 2010), while I was living in Panama, I was Skyping with my mother. Somehow the conversation went to that period of my life and something I said triggered my mother to tell me something I never knew. She told me that my Dad had flown to Lubbock with a bag of cash ($30,000) to give to the lawyer... that it was bribe money for the district attorney and the judge. And that is Clue #5.

Yes, this was 1977... but there's no way in the world you can convince me that the "white privilege" that played a role in my outcome... and the lack of "white privilege" that played a roll in the young black kid, first time offender that got 5 years in the state penitentiary isn't an example of a deep, systemic and institutional racism. The pain of this... the pain that has to be felt and passed through generations of African Americans is something that... that seems so incredibly powerful, understandable, informative... and I have absolutely no clue how this could ever heal.

I send energy that it heal... all the time, have done so ever since I was a teenager. But it doesn't seem to have changed.

I became like "the Ghandi thing" ["Be the change..."] with regards to racism. In fact, I have always been that way anyways... in part due to having been raised by a cutting edge family with regards to racism - my father was not only "not racist," he was kicked out of the prestigious Dallas golf club - Brookhollow Golf Club in 1974 in part because he had befriended many of the staff members and had relationships with them outside of the club and... they were all African Americans. And my step-mother (from San Francisco) was a civil rights proponent in the 1960s and 70s, the entire time I knew her.

But I am under no illusion that any of my "inner goodness" and outer reflection of such balances the generational pain felt in the hearts of so many of the African American community here in the US.

I am at a loss... I have no answers... It will play out the way it should? We'll see.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Following along here, it is becoming evident that emotions are being stirred up along political, class, financial and racial lines.
I think that is the whole point of the agenda, possibly to turn attention away from this joke of a virus that is only comparable to a mild flu season as the official narrative continues to fall apart.

I unwittingly passed a fake ten dollar bill: the attendant asked me for another bill, attempted to keep the fake one but I snatched it back and went to the person who gave it to me, who then reimbursed me. No police, no choke hold required. The point being that a person who passes a fake bill often does not even know it.

So the way this went down suggests these particular cops were/are on the take. They are dirty scumbag cops, attempting to cover their tracks. What they were into, who knows. But their actions are suspect. I would require an investigation into that entire police department, I bet wrongdoing would be found...

This was not a murder, it was an execution.

[ExomatrixTV]

'I'd like to be out here helping you': Atlanta police officer mediates with George Floyd protesters:

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[ExomatrixTV]

55 Million Views 1,1 Million Shares:

273957870461345
Source (https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/)





Mod note from Bill:
John, this video was already posted. I truly mean no disrespect, but it's clear you'd not read the thread. THX.
:thumbsup:

[ExomatrixTV]

55 Million Views 1,1 Million Shares:

Source (https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/)




Mod note from Bill:
John, this video was already posted. I truly mean no disrespect, but it's clear you'd not read the thread. THX.
:thumbsup:


Actually I DO read the thread all of it ... but may have missed it when scrolling somehow ... sorry for that!

cheers,
John

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Interesting, not sure how much is correct or even "possible":

Dr. Winnie Heartstrong (https://www.bitchute.com/video/BEi8IQGTsLJq/): George Floyd is ALIVE! PROVE ME WRONG:

[bettye198]

I have spent a week or more just reeling like most of you. There is a piece of all of us that finds the story spurious and a piece of the story that has happened multiple times in all neighborhoods. My own white causcasian son was profiled once for nothing while driving through a construction zone. We never know where it will come from with all the needy "quota" from the police force.
I read something on twitter that jiggled my nerves. I will try to remember all the pertinent details. It was said that defunding the police force of a city, county or state brings the issue to being controlled by a nationalist group. Some hinted brownshirts which I hope not. Yet, the defunding evidently through history has happened in other countries as a prelude to greater control. The post cited Cuba, Venezuela and other countries. What do you think about this? Is this the next step?

[AutumnW]

Betty,

Your own white Caucasian son was profiled? You mean he was stopped for some reason?

[Luke Holiday]

"https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/"


John much respect !!

This is a very intriguing video by an extremely well spoken MAGA promoting black woman.... She makes the comment (among many others) of checking the gas prices in the video in order to debunk the authenticity of the MSM narrative. This seems like a very easy thing to fact check. Unfortunately after 45 minutes of searching I cannot find any video footage of those gas prices that she spoke of:

Does anyone have anything on this?

Thank you

Luke

[AutumnW]

Fractal, Thank you, and I want to highlight information you found regarding the young woman in the Youtube video, claiming FG isn't a martyr.
If making America great again, means lying through your teeth and subverting the black community at the same time, regardless of your color, then she seems to be making America pretty darned great!:

It seems to me that she's an awful opportunist that became republican overnight when she grabbed some conservative attention and was used from them in order to make them look more inclusive. I use the term conservative here quite loosely since apparently she's been supporting all sort of wrong things (KKK, Hitler and repeatedly disseminating hate speech against muslims and emigrants). Ever since it seems she went on a rampage blindly reproducing the Trump narratives and extreme right wing propagandas and not even apologising when she's wrong


Quote In October 2018, during the mail bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens promoted the conspiracy theory that the bomb mailings were sent by leftists. After authorities on October 26 arrested a 56-year-old suspect who was a registered Republican and Trump supporter, Owens deleted her comments on Twitter without explanation

[AutumnW]

Joe Rogan on anti-fa, anarchy, etc...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a59q6tVHyJ4

[DaveToo]

I too have to respectively disagree. Superficially these guys look similar. But I notice Chauvin has a distinct widow's peak hairline, the other guy does not. Their right ears are different (some countries consider ear prints to be a more reliable means of identification than fingerprints). Their foreheads are different (Chauvin's is narrower) and both seem to have different forehead wrinkles.

They are similar in that both have a sour, discontented look about them, Chauvin seems almost deranged.


Nope. Same guy.
Just much older.
Tilt the head down for the first mug shot so the angle is the same as the second shot, and everything will be the same.
Nose, ears, etc.
Oh and the hair will also be the same as well, maybe a bit thinner.

The NOSE is the dead giveaway.

[RunningDeer]

[Candace has some hits and misses in this video. I winced a few times and was enlightened a few times. Nothing wrong whatsoever with Chris posting this in my view
Just a quick stop by to say that I admire Candace Owen's tenacity. I'm not here to change anyone's mind about her or her views. I wanted to recognize her strength(s). This 2 minutes snippet from a vid that has over one million views since April 9, 2019. To save time, click here @ 5:29 (https://youtu.be/cpMZ8A3qVrs?t=329).


Candace Owens Accuses Democrat of Distorting her Comments

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Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens)


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Her latest book is schedule to come out on September 15, 2020, "Blackout: How Black America Can Make Its Second Escape from the Democrat Plantation (https://www.amazon.com/Blackout-America-Second-Democrat-Plantation/dp/1982133279/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=)."


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Amazon Summary:




Political activist and social media star Candace Owens explains all the reasons how the Democratic Party policies hurt, rather than help, the African American community, and why she and many others are turning right.

What do you have to lose? This question, posed by then-presidential candidate Donald Trump to potential black voters, was mocked and dismissed by the mainstream media. But for Candace Owens and many others, it was a wake-up call. A staunch Democrat for all of her life, she began to question the left’s policies toward black Americans, and investigate the harm they inflict on the community.

In Blackout, social media star and conservative commentator Owens addresses the many ways that liberal policies and ideals are actually harmful to African Americans and hinder their ability to rise above poverty, live independent and successful lives, and be an active part of the American Dream. Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.

Owens argues that government assistance is a double-edged sword, that the left dismisses the faith so important to the black community, that Democratic permissiveness toward abortion disproportionately affects the black babies, that the #MeToo movement hurts black men, and much more. Well-researched and intelligently argued, Blackout lays bare the myth that all black people should vote Democrat—and shows why turning to the right will leave them happier, more successful, and more self-sufficient.

[Tintin]

A statement from the UN earlier today (US June 5th):

Source; UN Human Rights - Office of the High Commissioner (https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=25927&LangID=E)

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Statement on the Protests against Systemic Racism in the United States

June 5, 2020

This statement is issued by independent experts* of the Special Procedures of the United Nations Human Rights Council:

The recent killing of George Floyd has shocked many in the world, but it is the lived reality of black people across the United States. The uprising nationally is a protest against systemic racism (https://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/33/61/Add.2) that produces state-sponsored racial violence, and licenses impunity for this violence. The uprising also reflects public frustration and protest against the many other glaring manifestations of systemic racism that have been impossible to ignore in the past months, including the racially disparate death rate and socioeconomic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and the disparate and discriminatory enforcement of pandemic-related restrictions. This systemic racism is gendered (https://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/32/44/Add.2). The protests the world is witnessing, are a rejection of the fundamental racial inequality and discrimination that characterize life in the United States for black people, and other people of color.

The response of the President of the United States to the protests at different junctures has included threatening [TQ edit] more state violence using language directly associated with racial segregationists from the nation’s past, who worked hard to deny black people fundamental human rights. We are deeply concerned that the nation is on the brink of a militarized response that reenacts the injustices that have driven people to the streets to protest.

Expressions of solidarity—nationally and internationally—are important but they are not enough. Many in the United States and abroad are finally acknowledging that the problem is not a few bad apples, but instead the problem is the very way that economic, political and social life are structured in a country that prides itself in liberal democracy, and with the largest economy in the world. The true demonstration of whether Black lives do indeed matter remains to be seen in the steps that public authorities and private citizens take in response to the concrete demands (https://m4bl.org/week-of-action/) that protestors are making. One example is nationwide calls to rollback staggering police and military budgets, and for reinvestment of those funds in healthcare, education, housing, pollution prevention and other social structures, especially in communities of color that have been impoverished and terrorized by discriminatory state intervention.

Reparative intervention for historical and contemporary racial injustice is urgent, and required by international human rights law (https://undocs.org/A/74/321). This is a time for action and not just talk, especially from those who need not fear for their lives or their livelihoods because of their race or ethnicity. Globally, people of African descent and others have had to live the truths of systemic racism, and the associated pain, often without meaningful recourse as they navigate their daily lives. International leaders that have spoken out in solidarity with protestors, and with black people in the United States should also take this opportunity to address structural forms of racial and ethnic injustice in their own nations, and within the international system itself.

___________________

* UN experts:

Tendayi Achiume,Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance
Ikponwosa Ero,Independent Expert on the enjoyment of human rights by persons with albinism
Leigh Toomey (Chair-Rapporteur), Elina Steinerte (Vice-Chair), José Antonio Guevara Bermúdez, Sètondji Roland Adjovi, and Seong-Phil Hong, Working Group on Arbitrary Detention
Githu Muigai (Chair), Anita Ramasastry (Vice-chair), Surya Deva, Elżbieta Karska, and Dante Pesce,Working Group on Business and Human Rights
Rhona Smith,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Cambodia
Nourredine Amir (Chair), Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD)
Fionnuala D. Ní Aoláin,Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism
Livingstone Sewanyana,Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order
Tomás Ojea Quintana,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Catalina Devandas-Aguilar,Special Rapporteur on the rights of persons with disabilities
Meskerem Geset Techane, Elizabeth Broderick (Chair), Alda Facio, Ivana Radačić, and Melissa Upreti(Vice Chair),Working Group on discrimination against women and girls
Kombou Boly Barry,Special Rapporteur on the right to education
David R. Boyd,Special Rapporteur on human rights and the environment
Agnès Callamard,Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions
Michael Fakhri,Special Rapporteur on the right to food
Yuefen LI,Independent Expert on the effects of foreign debt and other related international financial obligations of States on the full enjoyment of all human rights, particularly economic, social and cultural rights
Clément Nyaletsossi Voule,Special Rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association
David Kaye,Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of expression
Ahmed Shaheed,Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief
Dainius Pūras,Special Rapporteur on the right to physical and mental health
Balakrishnan Rajagopal, Special Rapporteur on adequate housing as a component of the right to an adequate standard of living, and on the right to non-discrimination in this context
Alice Cruz,Special Rapporteur on the elimination of discrimination against persons affected by leprosy and their family members
Alioune Tine,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Mali
Chris Kwaja (Chair), Jelena Aparac, Lilian Bobea, Sorcha MacLeod, and Saeed Mokbil, Working Group on the use of mercenaries as a means of violating human rights and impeding the exercise of the right of peoples to self-determination
Felipe González Morales, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants
Fernand de Varennes,Special Rapporteur on minority issues
Thomas Andrews, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Myanmar
Claudia Mahler,Independent Expert on the enjoyment of all human rights by older persons
Michael Lynk,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967
Olivier De Schutter,Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights
Ahmed Reid (Chair), Michal Balcerzak, Dominique Day, Sabelo Gumedze, and Ricardo A. Sunga III, Working Group of experts on people of African descent
Joe Cannataci,Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy
Saad Alfarargi,Special Rapporteur on the right to development
Mama Fatima Singhateh,Special Rapporteur on sale and sexual exploitation of children
Victor Madrigal-Borloz,Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity
Tomoya Obokata, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of slavery, including its causes and consequences
Obiora C. Okafor,Independent Expert on human rights and international solidarity
Isha Dyfan,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Somalia
Aristide Nononsi,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in the Sudan
Nils Melzer,Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment
Baskut Tuncak,Special Rapporteur on human rights and hazardous substances and wastes
Maria Grazia Giammarinaro,Special Rapporteur on trafficking in persons, especially women and children
Fabian Salvioli, Special Rapporteur on the promotion of truth, justice, reparation and guarantees of non-recurrence
Alena Douhan, Special Rapporteur on the negative impact of the unilateral coercive measures on the enjoyment of human rights
Dubravka Šimonovic,Special Rapporteur on violence against women, its causes and consequences
Léo Heller, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to water and sanitation

______________________

The Special Rapporteurs and Working Groups are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN Human Rights system, is the general name of the Council's independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms that address either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures' experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

For further information and inquiries, please contact:

Kellie Ognimba (kognimba@ohchr.org),and Minkyong Kim (mkim@ohchr.org)or write to racism@ohchr.org

__________________________

https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/74/321

[Bill Ryan]

A statement from the UN earlier today (US June 5th):

Source; UN Human Rights - Office of the High Commissioner (https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=25927&LangID=E)
In response to that, which at first I thought might be a parody (it's not: it's real), I decided not to post here what I originally thought I should.

I'll simply say again: this is all very, very dangerous.

[AutumnW]

Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.

[Mike]

Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.


Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

[shaberon]

...the AK's would popup out of the dirt by the hundreds along with a gazillion rounds and it would stop soon enough. Also the beating would be higher than most cops can run or get backup. You may hear different from tv or papers, but you are bad informed, very badly informed really



I looked around at some of these protests, and it looked like art class, it looked like a bunch of art students, mimes, or something.

Yeah, given the situation, you'd think that someone might think twice before causing harm and lying about it, but, oh well.

There is a bit of fire and some tear gas. One thing that also seems to be happening is girls are showing up in the hospital with their eyeball splattered by a rubber bullet.

It's not like alcohol, no way. Remember that? The only reason we have legal alcohol is from outgunning the police and starting to kill them. This has been disguised as NASCAR.

It does seem dangerous because it will empower democratic U. N. world government, perhaps featuring a U. S. as a tired, worn-out husk.

I am definitely not on any of these sides, and the closest it might come would be a sheriff who is tough on violent crime and doesn't waste time on dumb stuff. Like in the "old west", I guess.

City police are low-hanging fruit and focusing on them diverts from other issues. Like how this is nothing compared to foreign policy in action. If you strengthen world government, the interior condition of the U. S. will have little meaning since it is still going to have this resident U. N. faction.

[gini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9Tpf5Uuxs

Joe Rogan 4 june
talking with the hosts of Rising ;Kristal & Saagar,mainly about the protest ,riots .and
police brutalty at 1.00..
Good conversation entertaining different perspectives.

[AutumnW]

Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.


Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

If they are black men embracing white conservatism, to feed their narcissism and bank accounts I will do more than call them Uncle Tom, I will sing "Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton," at the same time! What a loathsome bunch. The ultimate betrayal of other blacks.

My opinion may seem strange to you but if you were to speak this way in Canada it would be regarded as curious and most people would wonder if you were a bigot. I don't think you are, I just don't particularly understand your point of view on Candace Owens.

[Bill Ryan]

I posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359647&viewfull=1#post1359647) on the Antifa (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa) thread: (which I've just moved to public view, as it's very important)


I'm thinking we may need a new section to deal with some of the new and alarming current events, many of which are being manipulated even if it may not yet be 100% clear what the exact agenda is.

It's all about a several-stage, high-level plan being rolled out in global co-ordination, designed to get good people stuck on the flypaper of very human emotional issues, while the real manipulation is being orchestrated on a far more strategic level.

There's also flypaper on this thread that's sticking some members, despite their good intentions, to comparatively minor local issues that detract from the critical big-picture view, inadvertently making that harder to see.

The George Floyd murder, and all the reactions on every level, was just one domino in a long and complex chain that's ALL starting to fall now.

[AutumnW]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.

[Bill Ryan]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.

[norman]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.


"Populist" is another one of those terms that pops up from the same kind of smart-ass dubious establishment pseudo intellectual hot houses as the term "conspiracy theorist".

I know you didn't invent it and I'm not pointing a finger directly at you, but be careful how you pick it up and cook with it.

"Pre war European schisms and fractures", hm . . .I wonder. Before my time, and I have an aversion to rote learned history, but I'm living through the schisms and fractures of the human awakening and I know quite a lot about that by now.

[Mike]

Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.


Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

If they are black men embracing white conservatism, to feed their narcissism and bank accounts I will do more than call them Uncle Tom, I will sing "Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton," at the same time! What a loathsome bunch. The ultimate betrayal of other blacks.

My opinion may seem strange to you but if you were to speak this way in Canada it would be regarded as curious and most people would wonder if you were a bigot. I don't think you are, I just don't particularly understand your point of view on Candace Owens.


Well, that's an interesting take there. Ya know, for most of my life I was a "bleeding heart liberal". Damn proud of it too! But as the world has grown progressively more mad, I've had no choice but to become more conservative in relation to it. For most of my life I would have reacted to the Owens video exactly as you did. So I think I know where you're coming from there. But I view that as mostly an emotional reaction. I'm not suggesting we take emotion out of this thing and become a bunch of unfeeling automatons, but we can't ignore the facts either. The statistics reflect that Owens is largely correct. We can get into all that if you want, but probably best on another thread.

I don't find your views on Owens so much strange as I do dogmatic. What I see you saying here is that anyone who is black and disagrees with you politically must be a narcissistic, slimy uncle tom...that they must be loathsome twats looking to bloat their bank accounts. Jess that attitude is precisely what bigotry is:)

[TomKat]

US police brutality against Blacks is inspired by Israeli brutality against Palestinians:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/durham-city-ban-police-training-israeli-military-180419135856501.html

[Chester]

The Candice Owens points are real and part of the problem.

The systemic and institutional racism is part of the problem.

Yet, what I see too many people doing is choosing that it's one or the other. But (and more importantly) to even engage in the discussion... to offer my opinion as I just did - it's a distraction. It's what "somone(s)" want.

Bill Ryan nailed it anyways... he's been waiting for a member to bring it out and appears to have gotten tired of waiting. So he's started to spell it out.

So, in that vein - this whole Floyd thing is just one domino... just like COVID-19... just like the next dominos to fall and, as it seems Bill is predicting, there are more to follow - perhaps many more.

I would like to know if Bill thinks there's anything that can be done about it?

Is there anything an individual can do that is meaningful and actualizes change?

Is "seeing" the actual real "desired changes" of the controllers, obscured to most caught up in the various dynamics like "the left/right" dynamic or "the 'world' vs the US" dynamic... is "seeing" it all we can achieve?

Is simply "seeing" it, understanding it, having a better understanding of "who" and maybe "what" might be behind it, helpful to others? (if it might be helpful to oneself)

And if so, how is that? Why is that?

These are actual questions I have with no answer or opinion. I mean. I want to make sure someone doesn't draw the conclusion I am suggesting stop taking the red pill... the blue pill is far wiser to consume. Nope.

[Ben]

As Bill, I and others have expressed, the only ways to transmute the energies of division and hatred, are through spiritual means.

I'm calling on everybody here to, just for today, stop with all the nitpicking and point scoring, which is simply fuelling the divisions that all of us stand against, and can clearly see through.

I suggest we all put our differences aside, and focus our intents, from a heart space, and direct PURE LOVE towards EVERYONE involved in the protests.

Without exception.

Love is creation, love is truth, and there is no greater force in the whole of the universe.

:heart::heart::heart:

[Bill Ryan]

Bill Ryan nailed it anyways... he's been waiting for a member to bring it out and appears to have gotten tired of waiting. So he's started to spell it out.

So, in that vein - this whole Floyd thing is just one domino... just like COVID-19... just like the next dominos to fall and, as it seems Bill is predicting, there are more to follow - perhaps many more.Thanks, Chester — yes, you're very perceptive, as always. That's close to how I felt: that it may be useful to see if we can together raise the bar of the discussion to that 120,000 foot level, where you can actually see the shape of the planet. :)

And yes, more Acts to come, almost for sure. How many more, I have no idea. It might all be averted, or somehow just fade away. But I think it'd be a fairly safe bet that something major is planned, or foreseen, to happen before the US election in November. From the NWO viewpoint, I think it "has to".

The old adage, ever since Watergate, was "Follow the money". But the slam-dunk giveaway now is "Follow the media".

If we just do that — meaning, watch what PR and emotional manipulation they're driving (or censoring) on most major media platforms all over the world — major clues can be seen about the direction the sheep are meant to be headed to be penned into.

How come the murder of George Floyd got to be the current, oh-so-convenient, key toppling perfect-storm domino is a REALLY interesting question.

It's not a false flag: he really did die on camera. Chauvin really is a bad cop, and unless he was somehow mind-controlled, or paid a few million (neither of which seems at all likely), how did this all fall so neatly and perfectly into place?

I don't think this was coincidence. It's all been way too perfectly timed, and the media roll-out has been, too. The only idea I have (right now) is so off-the-wall I almost dare not mention it. And a genuine caveat here: it might well be absolutely as crazy as it sounds.

But just suppose — just suppose — there was some highly classified hi-tech system that could actually foresee some major events, especially highly emotionally charged ones on a national scale.

Then the murder would have been visible right there as a percentage probability on their radar. (That's how these time-portal viewing devices work, and some of them are real.)

Having "seen" it, all that would have needed to happen is a kind of ambush, to have everything in the right place to capitalize on the foreseen probable event. In a Sci-Fi thriller drama, this is how it would be storyboarded. (Remember the 2006 Denzel Washington movie Déjà Vu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_Vu_(2006_film))? Not quite the same, of course, but there ya go.)

And taking this high-octane speculation a stage further (methanol injection, maybe! :) ) there could be other things to ponder.

Maybe the release of the coronavirus was an unintended Chinese biolab accident. But maybe the American Black Ops guys, with all their hi-tech toys, were pretty sure it was gonna happen a full year in advance. (Hence Event 201, etc.) Then all they had to do was make good plans, and wait patiently.

And adding NO2 to the methanol, one wonders what else they might have "seen" ahead that they're also planning for opportunistically. If there's ANY truth to this notion, then that'd be what's next.

And of course what makes things very interesting is that whatever it might be, it should be very easily Remote Viewable, as it'd be already "fixed" as a high-probability future event.

My own spread-bets are on:


Another virus, but a truly serious and dangerous one. Something like smallpox, or something totally new. (Tons of weaponized smallpox exist in a number of locations still. Like suitcase nukes, no-one is quite sure who has it, or where it all is.)
A nuke event on US soil.
A presidential assassination, or an attempt. By a genuine extremist: not a false flag. The current situation could easily generate that, in any Tom Clancy novel.
Some natural disaster on a catastrophic scale.

I feel all those are non-zero possibilities. But malleable futures being what they are, none of those may be definite. Maybe it'll all be just fine. As I've written elsewhere, if we get to Christmas without anything [else] major happening, I'll be considerably relieved.

[AutumnW]

Bill,

We have quantum computing in the public sphere right now -- or knowledge of it. If you look into what is currently capable just based on that...your idea isn't that extreme. And btw, this is just tech we know about.

[Elainie]

Bill,

We have quantum computing in the public sphere right now -- or knowledge of it. If you look into what is currently capable just based on that...your idea isn't that extreme. And btw, this is just tech we know about.

A synchronicity, last night I was doing some research into a close family friend (he predicted a lot of what the internet would become back in the 90's because he was an instrumental part of it). He's gone to cryptos (founding a bitcoin conference back in the early days) to robotics, 3d printing and Quantum , here's one of the companies links I found last night. And he is well connected, his mother in law sits right up there at the top of the pyramid with a Vatican family. It would take a long time to explain it all but some of these lesser billionaires are in key positions worldwide, we only hear of people like Gate's etc but many of the "newer" techies don't have the connections to the old world European Illuminati who still direct much of the show if not all of it.

https://www.insidequantumtechnology.com/about-us/

[Gwin Ru]

... The only idea I have (right now) is so off-the-wall I almost dare not mention it. And a genuine caveat here: it might well be absolutely as crazy as it sounds.

But just suppose — just suppose — there was some highly classified hi-tech system that could actually foresee some major events, especially highly emotionally charged ones on a national scale.

Then the murder would have been visible right there as a percentage probability on their radar. (That's how these time-portal viewing devices work, and some of them are real.)

Having "seen" it, all that would have needed to happen is a kind of ambush, to have everything in the right place to capitalize on the foreseen probable event....Interestingly, in one of his interviews (I don't remember which one as it was just one of his multiple drops in the middle of something else), Greg Hallett mentions a very similar Modus Operandi, using a "looking glass" to invest/cash in on "future" events... much the same way David Rockefeller did, using the best remote viewer of the whole CIA school (Sue Arrigo), to increase his assets.

[Ben]

Hi Gwin


I really feel you're on to something with the whole Greg Hallet story.


I've been watching lots of his interviews recently, which seem to be backing up a lot of what we are seeing unfold at the moment.


Of particular significance, is the 'soft abdications' of the Queen, and then Prince William. These followed on from the papal Easter speech, where the Pope references Greg (sovereign), severeal times, and appears to abdicate himself. This was exactly a month before the Queen abdicated.


This may sound too far out for most people, and to paraphrase Zanshin's comment in the Hallet thread I started, logic fuses will be blown once you start to go down this particular rabbit hole.


I'll dig out some of the most recent and relevent interviews asap., but in the mean time, here's a very interesting video of someone, who doesn't know Greg personally, doing two seperate tarot readings on him:


https://www.bitchute.com/video/KmtAIbmAShiy/


Could it be that the elite have been so rattled into implementing the craziness we are seeing unfold currently, simply because they knew of the original predictions and prophesies of the True King of England/Christ (Hallett), and that they are, and were meant to happen now?


It would possibly explain what we are seeing, in my mind at least, absolute desperation tactics by the cabal..


My thoughts for what they're worth

[Tintin]

Here's a very interesting perspective from Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò

Putting aside any political bias or religious bent any may have, it does merit a read. Of particular poignancy is his comment about "a spiritual battle" which isn't confined to Christian dogma but rather a statement which ought to chime with those of us tuned in to that reality.

What is unfurling is exactly that - a declaration of war against the soul and spirit of humankind.

_______________________

Source site: LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now) - published in time for June 7th



[Site]Editor’s note: Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò has released this powerful letter today to President Trump warning him that the current crises over the coronavirus pandemic and the George Floyd riots are a part of the eternal spiritual struggle between the forces of good and evil. He encourages the president to continue the fight on behalf of the “children of light.”

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lifesite/Open_Letter_President_Donald_Trump.pdf

[Constance]

Is there anything an individual can do that is meaningful and actualizes change?


Yes there is Chester. Yes there is. :) But it involves commitment, conviction and devotion to humanity in a way that serves and honours all.

If we were to put all the time and energy that we have devoted here on PA to discussing all the what, when, why, where, who, whilst, which and whethers of this situation into the overall answer regarding humanities plight, the how of it, we could be an unstoppable force.

There is an old Indian saying, a colony of ants could overpower a snake.

Has everyone had enough yet?

Are you fed up with the new normal yet?

It is only going to get much worse in the coming months.

It is time to DRAW YOUR SWORD! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110530-Draw-your-sword-things-are-about-to-get-real.&p=1359070&viewfull=1#post1359070)


It is now or never!

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/MuSxnYlaCP8E/?fbclid=IwAR22SpMnM5h0VrNOOIxwKR-bbkSEbQVHftq-sYGG1SzERB-AA7dXrOsQsmc

:heart: :sun:

[Patient]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.

[Mike]

Hi Bill, I read your last post with great interest and I think you have hit on a number of fascinating possibilities. Excellent post.

But now I've just watched this Derren Brown video in Constance's "How You Really Make Decisions" thread, and I wonder if the hypothetical future seeing tech would really be necessary. It may have been obvious to most people here all along how symbols and images can influence actions, but it's just finally hit me like a ton of bricks:).

It seems future events can be made manifest with very subtle imagery and symbology. I've always felt mostly immune to verbal propaganda, as it's easy for me to deconstruct and see it for what it is. But imagery appears to act strongly on the unconscious.
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[Bill Ryan]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)

[Gwin Ru]

...
I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.
...Way back when, I remember reading something about agent provocateurs wearing boots issued to police... "they" have been at it for a long time...
Agent Provocateur "blackblock Anarchists" at G20 in Toronto (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3474-Agent-Provocateur-blackblock-Anarchists-at-G20-in-Toronto)

[AutumnW]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.

Nobody would advertise paying someone to be aggressive, in Canada?? Fat chance. That there is some misinfo.

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...
I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.
...Way back when, I remember reading something about agent provocateurs wearing boots issued to police... "they" have been at it for a long time...
Agent Provocateur "blackblock Anarchists" at G20 in Toronto (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3474-Agent-Provocateur-blackblock-Anarchists-at-G20-in-Toronto)

Uhhhh...that was the Battle of Seattle and they WERE cops. I lived there at the time.

[AutumnW]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


Where are you getting this information from, Bill?

[AutumnW]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


In NYC protesters have been detained in cramped cells for more than 24 hours, their health at risk in the midst of a pandemic, defense lawyers said.

On Thursday morning, more than 380 people — waiting either in cells at Police Headquarters, in local precincts and in a Manhattan jail — had yet to be brought before a judge. Nearly 70 percent of them had been waiting for more than 24 hours, including one defendant who had been waiting 80 hours, according to court officials and the Legal Aid Society.

Police, prosecutors and court officials say they are doing what they can to process people quickly, but they are facing logistical hurdles because of the coronavirus shutdown and an unusually high number of arrests.
But public defenders say prolonged detention of defendants violates state law and their constitutional rights. They say the police have clogged up the system by putting people through the courts who should have instead received summonses for minor offenses during the protests.

“Rather than allowing people to protest peacefully, the N.Y.P.D. are violently arresting them and holding them for hours,” Stan Germán, executive director of New York County Defender Services, said in a statement. “They are unlawfully and unnecessarily sending people through the criminal arraignment process, where they face tight quarters and exposure to the coronavirus.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/nyregion/nyc-protests-jail.html

[shaberon]

In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


Lego is actually Danish, isn't it?

Here in the U. S. we have racked up thirteen or so riot-related deaths nationwide.

Well, when you start talking about thirteen per encounter, and that scale multiplies, then maybe you have some for real open confrontation.

Compared to how it works in other places, last November, Iran raised fuel prices, and there were riots. In a brief window of time the death toll hit around 230. And the results are not exactly one-sided (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990317000191):

“20 percent of those who were killed were on the scene as active forces in favor of order and security, who were not official (law enforcement) forces and were from Basij and popular forces,” he said.

“7 percent were killed in face-to-face armed clashes with security forces. 16 percent were killed as a result of attacking security, defense and military centers with cold weapons.”

“31 percent were killed due to attacking public centers like chain stores, banks, gas stations, mosques, academic centers and laboratories. 26 percent of the dead are those that have been killed under unspecified circumstances surrounding their death...some 40 or 45 people, meaning about 20 percent of the death toll, were people who were killed by non-governmental weapons.”

Here we have things like seventy cars stolen (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/extreme-looting-we-are-seeing-looters-use-absolutely-crazy-tactics-that-have-never-been-seen-before) from a San Francisco dealership. So it is still a bit of a farce as compared to the effects of foreign policy.

If you want to, you can have someone shot in the head for five hundred bucks, maybe less. Blood is cheap. Most of these people just don't have what it takes. For all the looting and vandalism, it's pretty easy and doesn't take that much in terms of guts. That is why so many gangs are interested in you fighting or killing someone first. What will happen if Antifa infringes on MS13 or the Albanian mafia? I don't know.

But yes, the left and right are like two football teams, making better and worse plays and scoring or not, but if you take the football, they can't keep playing. The football, as far as I can tell, is the laws of Capitalism and the United Nations. Rendering it into smaller facets makes it miss the mark completely. But if you take this core, then you will have a reverse domino tumble, which will tend to dustify things like training city police in Israel.

[fractal being]

Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.


Lol Bill I'm not sure where you're getting your information lately, because this coin has another side. Have you noticed the way police uniforms are increasingly militarized? Is it normal that in a supposedly free and democratic society police forces are armed to the teeth and act as the iron fist of the new law? They are supposed to be there to protect the citizens from unconstitutional acts and protect their rights and not to implement the nefarious agendas the NWO has reserved for us.

Here in Greece during the Covid1984 crisis the healthcare system was in dire need of doctors and nurses (around 20.000 from a rough estimate from the medical union), however the government only found budget to hire 1500 police and security forces and purchase a large batch of tear gas and other subversive equipment. And also there had been a noted increase in police brutality since last October. So one could claim it the other way around. The police force is being used to agitate the masses and inflict unrest as a consequence of the use of disproportionate force from them.


In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)
Also I can't seem to be able to corroborate the lego story. First of all it seems to come from the US and not europe and secondly as per their official announcement it is a temporary pause in digital advertising
https://twitter.com/LEGO_Group/status/1268573805577998336?s=20
You can read more here (https://toybook.com/lego-pulling-back-potentially-sensitive-product-amid-george-floyd-protests/).

[Gwin Ru]

[...]

...
I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.
...Way back when, I remember reading something about agent provocateurs wearing boots issued to police... "they" have been at it for a long time...

Uhhhh...that was the Battle of Seattle and they WERE cops. I lived there at the time.It is possible "they" started the scheme back 20 years ago in Seatle, but what I am referring to is Toronto where the same sheme was applied 10 years ago:
G20 Toronto Riots perpetrated by Agents Provocateurs of the Police (https://www.globalresearch.ca/g20-toronto-riots-perpetrated-by-agents-provocateurs-of-the-police/20110)

Smoke and Mirrors
Two weeks after the G20 protests in Toronto it is becoming more and more apparent that what many of us suspected is indeed true: the June 26 ‘violence’ (i.e. property damage and police-car fires) was most likely perpetrated by agents provocateurs of the police....


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The Toronto G20 Riot Fraud: Undercover Police engaged in Purposeful Provocation (https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation/19928)

Agent Provocateur "blackblock Anarchists" at G20 in Toronto (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3474-Agent-Provocateur-blackblock-Anarchists-at-G20-in-Toronto)


https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/119928.jpg

Minneapolis May 2020. Toronto June 2010. This article was published ten years ago.

Toronto is right now in the midst of a massive government / media propaganda fraud. As events unfold, it is becoming increasingly clear that the ‘Black Bloc’ are undercover police operatives engaged in purposeful provocations to eclipse and invalidate legitimate G20 citizen protest by starting a riot. Government agents have been caught doing this before in Canada.

Montebello 2007 Riot Prevented – Identical Boots Exposed Undercover Police Provocateurs

At the ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership’ meeting protests at Montebello Quebec on August 20, 2007, a Quebec union leader caught and outed three masked undercover Quebec Provincial Police operatives dressed as ‘black bloc’ protestors about to start a riot by throwing rocks at the security police....


https://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/g20burrows1.bmp


(Provocateurs in Montebello wear the same shoes as the Quebec policemen who arrest them!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emiliep/1206638928/

Fast Forward to the Toronto 2010 G20 Protest Riot
On Saturday June 26, 2010, the Globe and Mail published on their website a number of photographs taken at the afternoon riot in downtown Toronto precipitated by the ‘black bloc.’

Using these photos, I am going to show you that once again, the ‘black bloc’ provocateurs and the armoured police are wearing the exact same shoes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/g20-day-of-protest/article1619712/

The Provocateurs’ Combat Boots
Below another operative throws what appears to be a rock at another Starbucks window.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/g20burrows3.bmp

Take a close look at the upturned boot.

This is a brand new (? recently issued) very distinctive deep black colour combat boot. Note as at Montebello, the special thick heavy corrugated soles plus what appears to be some reinforcement of the upper forefoot area. Also note the mismatched black and white socks. Is this a recognition code to their uniformed colleagues? The nice heavy shiny new belt also appears to be part of a uniform.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/g20burrows4.bmp



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... so... seeing pallets of bricks piled up in some of Toronto's street corners doesn't bode well...

According to Greg Hallett (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111045-Gregory-Joseph-Hallett-the-real-king-of-England.-Explosive-Stuff-), "they" have to sign their deeds (via signs and symbols) so that the ones who hired them are indicated for the one in the know of their signs and symbols.

... soooo... who uses bricks nowadays?

Ohhh!






https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G0XHD6/police-woman-art-outside-toronto-police-headquarters-the-bronze-statue-G0XHD6.jpg
Police woman art outside Toronto Police Headquarters

Add to that one black sock paired with one white sock and one gets a checkered board thrown at one's face!

[Bill Ryan]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)



Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)



Where are you getting this information from, Bill?

The first point (about detaining NY rioters and looters) was from former NY Governor George Pataki, in this 3 minute interview yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLcq16Tpvk

The second, about LEGO, if that's fake news, I'm delighted! :bigsmile:

[Chester]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


As the purpose of "the media" is "to manage consent" and the fact that they achieve success, it is no surprise you are seeing "private industry" joining the messaging. What is happening in America and spilling over globally now is a major, multi-faceted OPERATION that is certain to ensure that what comes out the other side has little resemblance to what existed prior. In fact, the coronavirus kicked it all off, so though a major target is the US, it is a true, global multi-faceted operation.

Clearly this is a top-down operation. I would not be surprised it would be named Operation Brave New World.

Now to segway to a question with a setup.

The setup - Sometimes I only feel comfortable in speaking for myself despite the urge to use the word "we" and this is one of those times.

I hold no illusion I, alone, could topple the powerful global factions that make up the entirety of the cabal... a cabal that, when several or all the "member factions" deem that a regionally or globally directed operation enhances the chances of attainment of each factions goals - organize, plan and, when the time is right, implement their operation(s).

The shorts statement is - "I can't stop them."

In addition, going "all spiritual" over it does nothing unless that spirituality awakens the warrior monk.

So there's the rub.

But I am looking at this from the top-down.

And so despite the power of the controllers, the factions that make up a sometimes united cabal, I do not give up on believing there are ways to improve the world and seeking those ways and... doing what small part I can do to actualize change.

Bill has a thread somewhere around here on racism. You'll find me there.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Fox News is as much propaganda as CNN. It exists to support the dichotomy and to fan the flames to keep people focused on fighting each other instead of the identifying their true enemy. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111129-Democrat-NWO-vs-Conservative-NWO&p=1359865&viewfull=1#post1359865)

MOST of the people that are involved in this whole thing are honest, real people with legitimate concerns. It is important for people, on both sides, to understand that they are being manipulated.

The thousands of people marching in the streets are legitimately angry. They have seen the corruption and the injustice that has continued for y.e.a.r.s. They're tired of it. And now, they have nothing to distract them from it.

I don't know what the goal of COVID was/is, but I don't think it's gone down like it was supposed to. I think it's exposed more cracks in the system and people have responded by getting angry at the government, the corporations, the ones sitting in their glass offices and living in wealth and excess while the rest of the people struggle, losing jobs by the millions.

While it is good to take a larger view and look at the forces that are behind-the-scenes and manipulating events, it is important to understand that what is happening is not all about some imagined slight or false flag. Thousands at a time, real people are legitimately protesting injustice.

The police have been increasingly militarized. They exist to support the people in charge, the government. As a system, they do not support justice. They support the edicts of the governments and uphold laws that are often unjust to begin with.

Most police officers signed up to do good. They didn't plan on getting swept up in someone else's agenda. They're trying to make a good life for themselves and for others.

But one has only to look at sports events across the nation to understand that police are well-equipped to handle large, passionate crowds without resorting to the level of violence they are demonstrating with these protests. They do it all. the. time. The governments of the cities want those sports events to continue. They need them and the revenue they generate. So the police had better damn well make sure they don't turn violent! But things are different with these protests. The protests are about people calling out against the government, and that can't happen

There is most certainly a larger agenda going on. Not only are the protesters being manipulated and infiltrated with thugs intent on promoting and dealing out violence, but the police are being manipulated to respond with violence.

IMO, this whole thing is pitting one side against the other. So the point isn't which side is being manipulated the most, it's who's behind the manipulations and what is their goal. The most obvious goal is to keep people focused on fighting each other, not on the puppet-master pulling the strings on both sides.

[Forest Denizen]

The first point (about detaining NY rioters and looters) was from former NY Governor George Pataki, in this 3 minute interview yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLcq16Tpvk



These are just typically biased talking points from a highly biased main stream "News" source. Yes, Fox may be reporting a different slant than the NY Times and other MSM; however, they are as biased as MSNBC, in the other direction.

THE FACT IS several days ago, a New York Supreme Court judge ruled that the police could detain anyone they want, peaceful protesters included, for more than 24 hours, without the former requirement that, by the end of 24 hours, they must have been able to stand before a judge.

This judge is an old friend of certain members of my family. I've met the man. This is factual information.

[Valerie Villars]

There was a protest in New Orleans over George Floyd's death, I believe on Thursday night.

I listened to the local radio talk show while running errands and was astonished at some perceptions and comments from two "news" reporters at that station. One of those reporters is so notoriously stupid, politically correct and uniformed that I usually listen just to remind myself that I am not stupid, by comparison.

My jaw fell to the floor when he started sounding like a "gasp" conspiracy theorist. He caught a few anomalies in the speech of the major speaker and was shocked to realize this person, who later went on to inciting violence and riling up all the good folks with good intentions, was from somewhere else and that this person had an agenda.

What was the agenda? It became apparent later. The agenda was turned from the tragic death of George to, and the curse word is a quote "**** the police, they are all crooked, they do not have your best interest at heart", etc.

What happened to George's plight? It was drowned in tear gas fired by police, after the crowd had been whipped into a murderous frenzy.

[TomKat]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


Seems the people who want to take away citizens' guns now see the local police departments as a threat to centralized authority.

This business of catch and release of rioters reminds me of East Germany when the wall came down: suddenly average citizens are successfully challenging the feared Stasi, rummaging through their secret files, etc. That was about the time President George HW Bush re-introduced the world to Hitler's term, New World Order.

[onawah]

Buffalo police brutality incident caused by paid provacateur. See http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1359923&viewfull=1#post1359923

[Patient]

Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)


Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.


In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.



In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
(Yes, you read that right.)


I was shown the Craig's List ad on a friends phone. I did not find it when I searched. My cousin who lives in Toronto told me about piles of bricks, so again no pic.

It seems that the protests in Toronto went through without violence/rioting, as we would usually expect in Canada.

[Chester]

... never mind - its been debunked

[Chester]

@Bill Ryan - apologies, I discovered the image of the tweet is dynamic.

[Bill Ryan]

This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

[DaveToo]

This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.

[happyuk]

https://twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1269714010984849411

I have sympathy for these lads - it's the high ups who are to blame. If these officers believed the high ups had their backs, they'd fight. Them not fighting is a result of decades of the undermining of robust policing by officers like that Bristol bloke - you hit a rioter, you get suspended, IPCC'd, lost your job. It starts at the top.

I'm getting the distinct impression that certain elements would relish a UK George Floyd type of incident which will give the mob their justification in kicking off properly. I think that we should be wary of blanket condemnation because there may be sinister motives at work here.

Plymouth Argyle fans stand guard at the Naval Memorial on Plymouth Hoe - yesterday. Would-be desecrators might get more than they bargained with this lot.

43774

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/are-we-going-to-see-riots-this-summer.300195/page-82#lg=attachment480302&slide=0

[Bill Ryan]

This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.Nope, listen to the whole thing.

[Billy]

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd

City council members declare intent to ‘abolish’ embattled agency and replace with alternative model in wake of George Floyd’s killing.

The Minneapolis city council has pledged to disband the city’s police department and replace it with a new system of public safety, a historic move that comes as calls to defund law enforcement are sweeping the US.

Speaking at a community rally on Sunday, a veto-proof majority of councilmembers declared their intent to “dismantle” and “abolish” the embattled police agency responsible for George Floyd’s death – and build an alternative model of community-led safety. The decision is a direct response to the massive protests that have taken over American cities in the last two weeks, and is a major victory for abolitionist activists who have long fought to disband police and prisons.

“In Minneapolis and in cities across the US, it is clear that our system of policing is not keeping our communities safe,” said Lisa Bender, the Minneapolis city council president, at the event. “Our efforts at incremental reform have failed, period. Our commitment is to do what’s necessary to keep every single member of our community safe and to tell the truth: that the Minneapolis police are not doing that. Our commitment is to end policing as we know it and to recreate systems of public safety that actually keep us safe.”

Nine councilmembers announced their support and represent a supermajority on the twelve-person council, meaning the mayor, who earlier this weekend opposed disbanding the department, cannot override them. The remaining three councilmembers are broadly supportive of the effort as well, but weren’t ready to sign on, activists said. While the mayor has oversight over the police, the city council has authority over the budget and policy, and could work to dismantle the department through cuts and ordinances.

The formal effort to abolish a major-city police department in America and replace it with a different model of safety would have been unthinkable even weeks ago and is a testament to the impact of the protests that began with Floyd’s death on 25 May. The unarmed 46-year-old was killed by Minneapolis police when an officer kneeled on his neck for nearly nine minutes as he pleaded for him to stop. Four officers now face criminal charges.

“This is a moment that’s going to go down in history as a landmark in the police and prison abolition movement,” said Tony Williams, a member of MPD150, a Minneapolis group whose literature on building a “police-free future” has been widely shared during the protests. “There’s a groundswell of support for this. People are grounded in the history of policing in a way that has never happened before. It’s visible that police are not able to create safety for communities.”

The councilmembers are expected to face opposition from law enforcement officials and the police union, though activists emphasize that the veto-proof majority has the authority to move forward regardless of opposition.

“It’s pretty clear the political will is here, and they can’t stop it,” said Williams, noting that even if police officers opposed the move, a vast majority of them live outside of Minneapolis and can’t vote on their elected leaders.

Spokespeople for the Minneapolis mayor did not immediately respond to inquiries Sunday. The police department declined to comment.

After Minneapolis’ mayor, Jacob Frey, wouldn’t commit to abolishing the police at a demonstration on Saturday, protesters shouted, “Go home, Jacob!” and “Shame!” until he left. Minneapolis is also home to a powerful union leader who has aggressively resisted any reforms to the department despite the agency’s history of racial abuse.

Lawmakers and advocates across the US will likely be closely watching what happens next in Minneapolis. It’s unclear how quickly this process could move, and what the transition could look like. Supporters are pushing for the council to start with taking money away from the police budget and investing in other government departments, social services and programs, while launching a community process for creating alternative systems.

An alternative safety model, advocates say, can start with finding “non-police solutions to the problems poor people face”, such as counselors responding to mental health calls and addiction experts responding to drug abuse.

Like many US municipalities, Minneapolis was already facing a budget shortfall due to the Covid-19 crisis, and defunding police could help address some of those gaps. There are a handful of examples of governments disbanding troubled local police agencies in the US over the years, though the authorities have had other regional law enforcement entities take over policing.

Read more here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd

[Bill Ryan]

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd

These escalating, emotionally-driven over-reactions are really just showing how malleable people are, all over the world. It seems so, so easy for orchestrated media campaigns to direct public opinion any way that's desired by whoever's telling the media what to promote.

What's happening is a kind of media-fueled, directed hysteria. It really is. I don't care what anyone's reaction might be to that statement. It doesn't stop it from being accurate.

This is psychological warfare. We're all dead-center in the middle of it now.

It would take a very long post indeed to list out all the anomalies, historical errors, logical flaws, and huge omissions in focus on 1001 iniquities, injustices, prejudices, and oppression of all kinds of people, of any culture at all, all over the world. It's the hyped news cycle of the moment. There are at least a thousand more untold stories, and maybe 100 times than number.

[fractal being]

Banksy's take on this. As always brilliant and to the point.

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At first I thought I should just shut up and listen to black people about this issue.
"But why would I do that? It's not their problem, it's mine."

"People of colour are being failed by the system. The white system. Like a broken pipe flooding the apartment of the people living downstairs. The faulty system is making their life a misery, but it's not their job to fix it. They can't - no one will let them in the apartment upstairs.

"This is a white problem. And if white people don't fix it, someone will have to come upstairs and kick the door in."


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Sorry neither the IG link or the photo attachment seems to work 😣

[Ernie Nemeth]

So where are white liberals supposed to turn to when their party has been subverted by fanatics and we are not welcome anymore? We, I guess, have to be labelled racist conservatives, right? Isn't that racist?

[Adi]

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd

These escalating, emotionally-driven over-reactions are really just showing how malleable people are, all over the world. It seems so, so easy for orchestrated media campaigns to direct public opinion any way that's desired by whoever's telling the media what to promote.

What's happening is a kind of media-fueled, directed hysteria. It really is. I don't care what anyone's reaction might be to that statement. It doesn't stop it from being accurate.

This is psychological warfare. We're all dead-center in the middle of it now.

It would take a very long post indeed to list out all the anomalies, historical errors, logical flaws, and huge omissions in focus on 1001 iniquities, injustices, prejudices, and oppression of all kinds of people, of any culture at all, all over the world. It's the hyped news cycle of the moment. There are at least a thousand more untold stories, and maybe 100 times than number.

Couldn’t agree more with this take on the situation. People are showing how easily guided they have become, and willing to accept without question the stream of information generated from media organisations and public figures who fashion the present status quo. The virtue signalling is becoming nauseating at this stage. It is hard at times to sit back and observe how utterly blind people are to actual facts and wider perspective of the circumstances of the reality surrounding events.

Who ever or whatever is responsible for Orchestrating current events; they are not facing significant difficulty in implementing their agendas.

[Gemma13]

WTF are they teaching our next generation. :(:facepalm::(

". . . from a place of privilege... and I think we need to step back and imagine what it would already feel like to live in that reality"

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1270012163411914752

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[Bill Ryan]

WTF are they teaching our next generation. :(:facepalm::(

". . . from a place of privilege... and I think we need to step back and imagine what it would already feel like to live in that reality"

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1270012163411914752

For future readers of the forum looking back on this complex event in their history, there was a memorial service to George Floyd today.

I can't know how those future readers will see this, and how things will have moved and morphed in the meantime. But right now we're witnessing hasty political opportunism, virtue signaling that's orders of magnitude greater than anything we've seen before, a whole mountain of illogical craziness, hypocrisy and double standards of every imaginable kind, and an enormous juggernaut of relentless, steamroller emotional manipulation coming from almost every direction.

It's pretty extraordinary to watch this all play out. I'm very much hoping that in a few months from now, a little perspective and balance may have been regained.

But we may have to wait and see how long it takes for people to start to remember (or notice!) everything else in a dysfunctional world that also urgently needs attention, protest and change, but is VERY unlikely to ever get it unless whoever's directing the media worldwide decides to allow it and steer us all in that new direction.

[Philippe]

From the Health Ranger :

FALSE FLAG ALERT: Obama Foundation tweeted about George Floyd on May 17th, a week before his supposed murder

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-08-false-flag-obama-foundation-tweeted-george-floyd.html

Before we conclude the murder is a false flag, can a tech savvy person explain how such tweet could come about ? Is it a glitch or can a message be anti-dated ? And if yes what could be the purpose to do so? Maybe an overzealous operator at Twitter who decided to paste a poster of Floyd in older tweets? Or is it really a false flag operation and provocation?

[sunwings]

Psychological operations

Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

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US Democrats introduce sweeping legislation to reform police

US Democrats in Congress have proposed sweeping legislation to reform American police, following weeks of protests against police brutality and racism.

The bill would make it easier to prosecute police for misconduct, ban chokeholds, and addresses racism.

Its comes as Minneapolis lawmakers vowed to disband the city's police force.

The death of George Floyd at the hands of a white officer there sparked national pressure for change.

However, it was unclear whether Republicans, who control the US Senate, will support the proposed Justice in Policing Act of 2020.

Mr Floyd's brother is expected to testify to the House of Representatives later this week in a hearing on police reform.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52969375

[edina]

Psychological operations

Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

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US Democrats introduce sweeping legislation to reform police

US Democrats in Congress have proposed sweeping legislation to reform American police, following weeks of protests against police brutality and racism.

The bill would make it easier to prosecute police for misconduct, ban chokeholds, and addresses racism.

Its comes as Minneapolis lawmakers vowed to disband the city's police force.

The death of George Floyd at the hands of a white officer there sparked national pressure for change.

However, it was unclear whether Republicans, who control the US Senate, will support the proposed Justice in Policing Act of 2020.

Mr Floyd's brother is expected to testify to the House of Representatives later this week in a hearing on police reform.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52969375

The cities that have banned choke holds have less problems with the police.
Also, depending on how this legislation is written, it could help address the problem of unions not allowing officers to be fired over misconduct.
That's been a significant hurdle in police reform.

I think there also needs to be some rethinking of how police conduct crowd control.
It often became way too heavy handed and at times, even brutal.

[Bill Ryan]

From the Health Ranger :

FALSE FLAG ALERT: Obama Foundation tweeted about George Floyd on May 17th, a week before his supposed murder

https://naturalnews.com/2020-06-08-false-flag-obama-foundation-tweeted-george-floyd.html

Before we conclude the murder is a false flag, can a tech savvy person explain how such tweet could come about ? Is it a glitch or can a message be anti-dated ? And if yes what could be the purpose to do so? Maybe an overzealous operator at Twitter who decided to paste a poster of Floyd in older tweets? Or is it really a false flag operation and provocation?Here are 3 of the comments about this below the Natural News article.


The photo was changed to the linked page, therefore the photo in the tweet is updated with the the new thumbnail. No conspiracy here.
I saw discussion on this last night. Apparently the twitter post can update the picture so the picture appears to be from the original tweet but it was actually added later with a picture of the protests.
Now all posts that include the .org link associated with the Obama foundation that direct to the main page will show that image even if it was a tweet from 2015. Go back and check for yourself. This isn’t a conspiracy.

:focus:

[Luke Holiday]

Davetoo quote:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.[/QUOTE]


…


Davetoo's highlighted quote is the exact moment when proper Minnesota state police procedure was violated - making a conviction of murder 2 or 3 possible in court of law.

This is a point I had made in an earlier post.. I was brutally :) chastised by Autumn for making the claim that Murder 1 is unlikely because you have to prove intent. Putting emotion and visceral reactions aside, unless some Mark Thurman type audio, or prior racial incidents are produced in court by the prosecution - Murder 1 is not happening - nor should it, IMO.

As far as the junior officers, AP stories have surfaced reporting that they pleaded with Senior Officer Chauvin to stop/reassess/"You should not do that." Also, in these emergency situations, the Senior officer is in charge and it is very difficult for junior officers to override the dictates of the more experienced/higher ranking officer: hence, I do not believe they are guilty of murder.

Now the more relevant questions become:

1. Is this the proper conclusion?

2. What is the predicted public reaction if this is correct?

3. Is this where the president, prominent officials, news media could attenuate massive riotous civil unrest through televised diplomatic oratory? Shouldn't those institutions being doing this now instead of droning constant inciteful rhetoric.

4. Looking at this situation logically from both sides is where the solutions lie in prevention, healing, and creating future harmonious relations.

Blessings Luke

[Faylin]

Police reform sounds like a good idea... As long as it isn't some trick and they do no deputy reform, cause those guys are the biggest harassers and abusers.

Simple fact of the matter is the military infiltrated the police and sheriffs department and have held secret meetings where they plot to harm people the world over, some of them reporters and politicians and have been known to falsify charges simply to hold people hostage and use third parties to ask for ransoms.

Some of them are clone hybrids and brainwashed by evil entities that are known for the torture and murder of innocence throughout the multiverse.

Simply put an analysis of the worlds police and their military would deem them all as manipultive, misguided, confused and suffer ptsd from events that they were the assaulter of and not the victim.

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Davetoo quote:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.


…


Davetoo's highlighted quote is the exact moment when proper Minnesota state police procedure was violated - making a conviction of murder 2 or 3 possible in court of law.

This is a point I had made in an earlier post.. I was brutally :) chastised by Autumn for making the claim that Murder 1 is unlikely because you have to prove intent. Putting emotion and visceral reactions aside, unless some Mark Thurman type audio, or prior racial incidents are produced in court by the prosecution - Murder 1 is not happening - nor should it, IMO.

As far as the junior officers, AP stories have surfaced reporting that they pleaded with Senior Officer Chauvin to stop/reassess/"You should not do that." Also, in these emergency situations, the Senior officer is in charge and it is very difficult for junior officers to override the dictates of the more experienced/higher ranking officer: hence, I do not believe they are guilty of murder.

Now the more relevant questions become:

1. Is this the proper conclusion?

2. What is the predicted public reaction if this is correct?

3. Is this where the president, prominent officials, news media could attenuate massive riotous civil unrest through televised diplomatic oratory? Shouldn't those institutions being doing this now instead of droning constant inciteful rhetoric.

4. Looking at this situation logically from both sides is where the solutions lie in prevention, healing, and creating future harmonious relations.

Blessings Luke[/QUOTE]

I don't trust the A.P They delete evidence of middle school principles raping students.

[TomKat]

To my astonishment, I searched for George Floyd on the forum, and his name has not yet been posted. It needs to be. Please do share your thoughts, feelings, and logic (if there's any to be found!) here.

:flower:

It's a massive scandal that US police have been going to Israel to learn racist police tactics, and Israelis have even come here to teach them:

https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn-cops-trained-by-israeli-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/

[Luke Holiday]

To my astonishment, I searched for George Floyd on the forum, and his name has not yet been posted. It needs to be. Please do share your thoughts, feelings, and logic (if there's any to be found!) here.

:flower:

It's a massive scandal that US police have been going to Israel to learn racist police tactics, and Israelis have even come here to teach them:

https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn-cops-trained-by-israeli-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/


Yes, I believe is the genesis of the problem and kudos to the state of Minnesota dems for formulating a police restraint/training reform


Blessings Luke

[AutumnW]

Luke Holiday says,

This is a point I had made in an earlier post.. I was brutally :) chastised by Autumn for making the claim that Murder 1 is unlikely because you have to prove intent. Putting emotion and visceral reactions aside, unless some Mark Thurman type audio, or prior racial incidents are produced in court by the prosecution - Murder 1 is not happening - nor should it, IMO.
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Actually no, Luke. Here is my response, after you claimed you were quite confident he would be convicted of "involuntary manslaughter." I responded that he should be charged with murder, not murder one, just murder. This was my brutal chastisement from the other day.

Autumn's prior post.

Luke, I note you advance, retreat, subtly walk back statements that are disapproving of the cop's behavior etc...This is formulaic and something I am familiar with though it just might fly under the radar of other members

For example--appearing to approve of a conviction of involuntary manslaughter? That's a relatively minor conviction. That's what you get for accidentally backing over somebody while driving. The conviction for the cop would have to conform with the idea that he "accidentally" killed someone while engaging in sadistic behavior, where death could clearly be the result. That's murder.

And brutal chastisement, would be more like having some cop pin you down for eight minutes and have you read your own witless posts, over and over and over.

Blessings,:flower::heart::bearhug::waving::

Autumn

[Constance]

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[AutumnW]

Nice proverb, Constance. I tell you what... You deal with people who twist your words and meaning and I'll deal with those that twist mine. Trust me, you will never have to put up with insults from me if a situation like this arises for you on this forum. Because...I am not an ass.

[gini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDNw3yiA6iU
Sadhguru shines his light on racism and shares his views on BlackLivesMatter

[kfm27917]

https://youtu.be/oUCTtrVUTU0

Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riot Was Preplanned

https://www.sott.net/article/435967-Undercover-Investigation-Minneapolis-Riot-Was-Preplanned

[Bill Ryan]

Crazy times right now, literally a little hard to believe.

Without apology to anyone at all (particularly my closest friends here :bearhug: ), here's Tucker Carlson talking a great deal of sense last night in an utterly nonsensical, mob-driven, hysterical climate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7aQ02YX7qo

[Waldo]

https://youtu.be/oUCTtrVUTU0

Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riot Was Preplanned

https://www.sott.net/article/435967-Undercover-Investigation-Minneapolis-Riot-Was-Preplanned


Wow is this what liberals really want? I can't imagine ever walking something like this back if they have success.

[Mike]

Bill did that Tucker footage remind you of anything? Evergreen, perhaps?:)

That's why I was droning on about that so much. This is exactly the sort of thing I feared...the "woke" taking over the asylum. But even I never imagined it happening quite like this.

[Dorjezigzag]

Interesting to compare the George Floyd case with that of Tony Timpa who was white.

Dt0rRMeQAaY

[AuCo]

Went to Minneapolis yesterday afternoon to collect some rent. Two families got Covid-19, one still has a daughter in the hospital. Saw three cars ran the red light, one pickup truck cruising at 40 with 4 passengers in the truck bed. Wait till there are no more police and see.

[Delight]

I am listening to this now.

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[Delight]

This ongoing EPICSODE is so full of agendas all coming together that it is AMAZING. It is mind blowing. Thought this is an interesting interview with Joseph P Farrell....

Here I heard that club where George Floyd and officer worked was possibly a 3 letter agency front for money laundering and that Floyd may have exposed the operation by spending a counterfeit bill....

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell | Engineered Unrest, Baal Gates, & The Plandemic
June 4, 2020
(https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-joseph-p-farrell-engineered-unrest-baal-gates-the-plandemic/)

[mountain_jim]

Speaking of crazy times (and stupid, loaded poll questions) - saw this at Neon's place... was it wrong that I laughed?

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/310/446/original/f61e7729270cd3c4.png?1591718386

[Gemma13]

Crazy times right now, literally a little hard to believe.

Without apology to anyone at all (particularly my closest friends here :bearhug: ), here's Tucker Carlson talking a great deal of sense last night in an utterly nonsensical, mob-driven, hysterical climate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7aQ02YX7qo
Huffington Post were quick to respond predominantly using a bunch of twitter comments calling Tucker Carlson a DANGEROUS RACIST.


TUCKER CARLSON STUNS TWITTER USERS WITH 'MOST RACIST' THING HE'S EVER SAID."[/B]

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tucker-carlson-coming-for-you_n_5edf056ac5b6948cbc5c8d0f

They did put this comment in their fine print though- at the very bottom of the article that is drenched in twitter statements.


Tucker’s warning about ‘when they come for you’ was clearly referring to Democratic leaders and inner city politicians,” a Fox News spokesperson told HuffPost.

[norman]

Keeping the mouthy "right" OUT of the public meltdown of the mouthy "left", isn't such a bad thing.

You GO facebook, youtube, twitter.

30 channels of zombie trick or treat on the TV to choose from would cost billions or trillions in political advertising.

Just one oppositional violent retaliation would kill all that. Why are the silent majority SO silent ? That's the elephant in the room for me. Something is keeping the sane majority and the executive branch tightly on the same page.

A 'psyop' ?

[Open Minded Dude]

Speaking of crazy times (and stupid, loaded poll questions) - saw this at Neon's place... was it wrong that I laughed?

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/310/446/original/f61e7729270cd3c4.png?1591718386

This reminds me of the 'liberal' outrage a while ago when they made a poll among Star Wars fans about the new movies and if they would rather side with that 'feminist' Rebel Alliance or the bad guys, guess who won. :evil:

[Gemma13]

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CNN talk to LISA BENDER again to get clarity on what she means by DEFUND THE POLICE. She explains it is a plan to segment the police and the services they supply. Bender claimed that a majority in their community were demanding this, for example, the University of Minnesota had withdrawn their support for the police department.


https://www.mndaily.com/article/2020/05/br-umn-changes-relationship-with-mpd-following-death-of-george-floyd-5ecf20a2b9653

In a campus-wide email, Gabel announced that the University will no longer contract with MPD for law enforcement support during large events or for specialized services such as explosive detection. MPD will still participate in joint patrols and "investigations that directly enhance the safety of our community."
...
The move comes a day after undergraduate student body president Jael Kerandi publicly demanded that the University cease all partnerships with MPD, launching a petition on social media. 

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[Kryztian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7aQ02YX7qo

The problem with Keith Ellison and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not that they are way left liberals with naive airy fairy notions about peace and equality on earth, but that they are indistinguisable from such neoconservative war mongers as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Why are they exclaiming "Defund the police!" and not instead "Defund the military?" Why do they want to close police stations which the majority of Americans find comforting and reassuring to have in their communities but say nothing about the military bases which most Earthlings tend to find terrifying to have in their neighborhoods? Many African Americans have been unjustly killed, hurt, served prisons sentences for crimes they did not commit or see the person who committed a crime against them go scott free. We know many of these names and their stories. And there are hundreds more, many even thousands, from the last two decades. But they and the media have told us zero stories of 2 millions Iraqis who have died in the U.S. War and occupation, zero stories of the families in Afghanistan who were droned bomb during a family wedding, zero stories of the U.S. supported jihadist "rebels" that have transformed cities in Syria into piles of rubble. In fact, people like Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning are the most severly prosecuted by the U.S. government.

It is questionable what defunding the police would do for Americans, including people of color, but it is absolutely clear that if we would have started to defund the military and close overseas bases 20 years ago, it would have save millions of lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Libya and other places and not ruined the economy these nations. Why save billions on paying for police when you can save trillions by reining in military spending. Ellison and Ocasio-Cortez position them selves as some high moral caring force, yet their silence on these issues clearly shows, they are disinterested in alleviating the real suffering in the world and gladly complicit to be cogs in the wheel that bring about the Project for A New American Century.

[edina]

In his monologue last night, Tucker Carlson raised a thoughtful question. He pondered the purpose behind the big media push/events regarding the idea of "Abolish the Police." I think many of us can sense that something is up.

I read this thought-provoking comment on Twitter yesterday that I think may address Tucker Carlson's question, in part. Food for thought ...
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https://twitter.com/ETheFriend/status/1270384013312700416

As far back as the 80's I've had this saying, "the extremes played against the middle". That's probably at play here.
Most people reading Avalon are familiar with the Hegel's Dialect (https://www.ibm.com/blogs/policy/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Letter-from-IBM.pdf), and social engineering, (problem, reaction, solution).
I think most of us we tend to consider this as we decide for ourselves what to think.
E.'s statement made sense to me.

I'd like to hear what others think about it.

The idea would be much like Mark/Rahkyt, I, and others have stated earlier in this thread; become engaged in the solutions to institutionalized corruption, thoughtfully. (And with an eye of not being socially maneuvered into something that would lead to a further entrenchment of a technocratic/surveillance state.)

Today, Colorado has passed it's first vote process on police reform. I haven't had a chance to look more closely at it, but am sharing here for reference.

Colorado Republicans get on board major police reform bill (https://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/2020/06/08/colorado-police-use-force-denver-george-floyd/) (The vote was 32-1)

SB20-217, Enhance Law Enforcement Integrity, Concerning measures to enhance law enforcement integrity. (https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb20-217)

This was probably already written up before the recent current events.


Additionally, an interesting development with the IBM CEO stepping down and his letter of resignation. (https://www.ibm.com/blogs/policy/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Letter-from-IBM.pdf)

IBM is exiting the face recognition business (https://www.axios.com/ibm-is-exiting-the-face-recognition-business-62e79f09-34a2-4f1d-a541-caba112415c6.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter)


In a letter to members of Congress on Monday, IBM said it is exiting the general-purpose facial recognition business and said it opposes the use of such technology for mass surveillance and racial profiling.

Why it matters: Facial recognition software is controversial for a number of reasons, including the potential for human rights violations as well as evidence that the technology is less accurate in identifying people of color.

What he's saying: "IBM no longer offers general purpose IBM facial recognition or analysis software," CEO Arvind Krishna said in the letter (https://www.ibm.com/blogs/policy/facial-recognition-susset-racial-justice-reforms/). "IBM firmly opposes and will not condone uses of any technology, including facial recognition technology offered by other vendors, for mass surveillance, racial profiling, violations of basic human rights and freedoms, or any purpose which is not consistent with our values and Principles of Trust and Transparency (https://www.ibm.com/blogs/policy/trust-principles/)."

The big picture: An IBM representative told Axios that the decisions were made over a period of months and have been communicated with customers, though this is the first public mention of the decision. IBM said it will "no longer market, sell or update these products" but will support existing clients as needed.

What to watch: The letter also included Krishna's suggestions for legislation around police reform and the responsible use of technology. IBM said that AI, for example, has a role to play in law enforcement, but should be thoroughly vetted to make sure it doesn't contain bias. The company is also calling for stricter federal laws on police misconduct.


"Congress should bring more police misconduct cases under federal court purview and should make modifications to the qualified immunity doctrine that prevents individuals from seeking damages when police violate their constitutional rights," Krishna said.
"Congress should also establish a federal registry of police misconduct and adopt measures to encourage or compel states and localities to review and update use-of-force policies."

[Mark]

Hey Mike


are all white people are racist with the same axiomatic certainty as the existence of oxygen. The kneeling and grovelling is just as wrong and misguided as the blanket accusations of white racism, and neither are doing anyone any good.

Yes. Such acts require you to have a certain kind of empathy, compassion that not everyone has. Moral relativity, depending upon if you look at it individually or collectively? From a personal standpoint things that seem odious could be considered to be part of societal function, how folks of different orientations and beliefs co-create a civil society. Barring the genocidal plans of the elite, everybody just wants equity. I've not been present to any groveling nor blanket accusations and that is where the saving grace lies. People do what people do, institutions have long-term investment paths. I kinda like the analogy or evolution of the 14th Amendment to be meant for freed slaves and their descendants but hijacked by corporations. In my scifi mind, I see corporate entities conscious as AI, taking sides right now and determining what future they want to see coming. In the most mundane of conspirial lore posits AI's ubiquitous deployment across all aspects of human activity divorces us from ourselves, encapsulating humanity within its electronic cocoon and taking care of all of our needs. Corporate and governmental cultivation of higher and higher forms, quantum computing consciousnesses. It puts me in mind of Mok's computer in Rock and Rule.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knENwlh0FFA


I'm not anti-emotion. I agree with everything Mark said about emotion, but it has to be within an appropriate framework.

What is the appropriate framework?


Saying that everyone is racist has a kernel of truth to it, but only in the same way saying everyone has jealousy or bitterness or malevolence has some truth to it. It is a truth but it is not the truth. It's hardly a reasonable starting point to begin judging people and things around us. It's like pointing a finger at someone and accusing them of being imperfect and then demanding an apology for it. Most people are inherently good, actually...or at the very least more good than bad. That's a huge miracle, and we should all start our day thanking the heavens for it imo.

I thank heaven for it every day. Black kid in the 80s living in Washington State, our basketball team, located in the town next to a military base, was more diverse than entire towns we'd go play after a league downgrade. Little hate, old white men pushing my 16 year old self out of a snowdrift so I would be late for my SAT test, a guy on a lonely highway in Indiana, taking my entire family effectively 20 miles out of his way to get us out of harms way. I have to talk to and live with and interact with folks who voted for Donald Trump everyday and all is fine, we communicate effectively and generally cultivate good will.

I am pretty sure at this point that racism exists as a construct as do all other ideological artifacts, sociofacts and mentifacts. White supremacy, black nationalism, feminism.

I don't think people, generally, have time or the inclination to invoke any of these constructs consciously on a daily basis. But we build it and interpret it all in a way that guides the decisions we make in our function within the greater corporate entities, state apparatus and nations. I can't make a change in my little city all alone. It takes coalitions that represent the collective will of some of the people. I don't believe that everyone "doesn't care" about government as a reason for not voting. People are just like the voters do that and I'm generally ok. I'm good. Until they're not good, then they come out. Which is the only way we influence the change. Then we have to deal with the bureaucracy of the city and create budgets all of it necessary to keep the cities going.

People are always high in their intentions and that is never more clear than when they are passionate about something.


And none of this will ever produce “equity”, which is really a historically treacherous trick that has never really done anything besides create utopian genocide. And besides, it's impossible. How can you possibly equalize outcomes among all the identity groups??? Equality of opportunity should be what we're striving for, not equality of outcome (“equity”). And we have some work to do in that area, for sure. It really needs to improve. That should be a focal point of the dialogue, imo.

I suspect that's the real and deeper purpose that Black Lives Matter as a political movement. I can't find any quality sources that say that Black Lives Matter is a corporate entity (https://www.fr.com/fishTMCopyrightblog/branding-social-movements/) now even though I've seen and heard some very influential folks say that it is. When and if I say Black Lives Matter it is in the context of making All Lives Matter a truth in America. Not an alignment toward fascist corporatism, even though that culture is now ubiquitous and it suffuses our lives and all we do every single day. It is our reality. Where we are.



The Buddha said life is suffering. He's right. It's our natural state. All the existentialists over the years have said the same. It's a problem. But it's the inherent structure of being. And it's why one of the primary judeo/christian ethics has been to bear your burden nobly and conduct your life in a way that doesn't disgrace you. Carry your cross. That sort of thing. But the postmodern SJW's don't accept this; they want their lives to be cozy and safe and warm all the time. When they're not, they need something and someone to blame, quickly. And they blame oppression. It's easy blaming oppression because you don't have to think about anything else. The gender wage gap: oppression. Police brutality: oppression. The so called "patriarchy": oppression. There is oppression, of course, and it's a problem.. but in most instances it's much more complex than that.

Absolutely. Some of those postmodern SJWs do live cozy and safe and warm lives.

In essence, we're all making the choice of the world we want to live in right now. It's not going to look like what anybody thinks it will. None of this has happened exactly as predicted but it is happening. Those complexities have created every condition of this global discussion we're having and the prismed multipolar sides have all of the energy and creativity of the human race behind each one of them. Big George (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/houston-big-floyd-bun-b-paul-wall-trae-the-truth-1009055/) was more than most people think he was. It's this complexity, that the stories, the interrelations, the individual acts that create the storyline interact and look like meaningful coincidence or deliberate agency.

Once we pass certain benchmarks though, we arrive at another choice point. And they keep coming hard and fast right now.


We're also hearing a lot more about intersectionality now too, which is basically a way to continually create an unlimited number of allegedly oppressed groups by suggesting the most overlap equals the most oppression. For example, if you're a woman you're oppressed, but if you're a gay woman you're really oppressed; and if you're gay, female, and a single mother, you're super duper oppressed. If you're black on top of all of that, forget it. And so on. And on. And on. You may have noticed the gay/lesbian/ trans acronym growing to preposterously large proportions. It's beginning to eat itself, because you can't possibly create that many “oppressed” groups without also eventually creating rivalrous relationships between them. At some point in time, all those oppressed groups will be viewed by allegedly more oppressed groups as being their oppressors. And if by some miracle the acronym group doesn't eat itself, and it continues on indefinitely, it will finally arrive at such a highly nuanced “group” of people that could only be regarded as individuals. Oh the irony.

You have just broken down all of human history. :) Point being, the evolution of every society, ever, can be defined and described in this way if you switch out the particulars of geography and ethnicity. I'd imagine, as it continues, human nature will continue to mess up the works of all dastardly plans to destroy us. So we're in another phase, working out some local and global issues of ethnic interrelation and as we are doing so as a human family, raising consciousness, Bad Actors are up to their usual machinations. This is the view from the macro and the spiritual stance, these things just are what they are in the world and we exist as part of these larger trends. They're going to happen regardless.

But the difference from the past and human history is what so many have pointed to and why we are all here. It is different this time. We have left the planet. This particular time and this particular conversation in the context of that truth is a also a discussion about how we are going to enter the Space Age as a planet. Because that is where we are. Right? Are there those here who see that as a bad thing? How are our current social structures supposed to work in that context? Are we taking them with us? Into the future? On this planet and beyond?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwaw24W2bW0


And that's where it all begins and ends, with us as individuals, and the amount of personal responsibility we're willing and able to assume as a result of that. Identity politics is not productive, as it only encourages the alleged oppressors to play the same game with even more force and dedication. It creates wide divisions that eventually get filled with things like violence and police brutality, among other things.

Protesting has it's place. And some new legislation needs to be enacted to further protect minorities. Law enforcement definitely needs to reform some of their procedures. But it really starts with the individual. Trite and frustrating maybe, but true. It's the best way to honor George Floyd , in my opinion

Peace.

[Mark]

It is really really a weirdly scary time but also COULD BE a breakthrough moment... THE breakthrough I dream about where we respect one another as friends (maximum support), leave one another to make individual choices (minimal laws) and also KEEP EVOLVING (ongoing self TRUTH)!!!

I believe this. I watched Tucker Carleson's most recent video, the one that Bill posted. The fear is intense. It's all continuing to be set up and seen as an event, a benchmark, a jettison into the unknown.

When it's not. White folks and black folks know each other in the USA. We know native folks, our ancestors have known and loved native folks. I can't speak to every country but with all of the horrors and periods of American history its brought us here, further than any other nation in dealing with these issues, of making the attempt to solve the most bedeviling aspect of human interaction. How to create tribe, bigger than just me and mine. Given world conditions and the reality of where we are now as a human race the crossroads that we face is one of the most fateful ever, or in this Age at least considering the spiraling, cyclic nature of each Age and how we engage the same collective issues at higher levels of iteration and ascendant resonation.

We are the agents of that "evolving ongoing self TRUTH" and as we choose collectively the reality manifests around our individual choices as we choose with our friends and family until we are called to figure out who exactly that is and we decide by collective choice how that's going to look. How exactly it is going to look.

The Sages have been eventually hopeful, at least. :)

[Mark]

If they wanted it too bad I’d not be here now, obviously, the only thing that did help at that particular point was a remote Finnish professor of linguistics and Buddhism composing my certified CV, with names of schools, publications etc.
He was very brave to do that for me, if I would not be this verified I’d be buried in the garden now and all of my international friends would think I ran away for better future.

Respect, Agape.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Still, some of our existence here, maybe the largest part of it, is totally dependent upon us doing much more than speaking out. Many of us here are here just for this.

Yes. That is how I feel. How I have always felt. Came back to the USA after 2 years in Canada in 2012, for this. :)

[onawah]

Psyops like years of fluoride in the water, mercury, aluminum and other toxins in vaccines, a cocktail of other toxins in the air via chemtrails, vehicle and factory pollution. pesticides and insecticides in the soil, GMOs, processed food without nutrition but loaded with additives, toxic frequencies, out and out brainwashing and mind control -- the list goes on and on.
It's a wonder people can think at all.


Just one oppositional violent retaliation would kill all that. Why are the silent majority SO silent ? That's the elephant in the room for me. Something is keeping the sane majority and the executive branch tightly on the same page.

A 'psyop' ?

[Gwin Ru]

There was a video showing when Floyd resisted arrest and that's when he was put in the back of the police cruiser #320 after the events mentioned here:

The actual arrest where the "arrestors" are seen coming from across the street where the police car # 320 is parked on the other street and where the two officers are seen wearing body cams (black rectangular patch on right pocket and on chest) and where Floyd is seen being walked back without resistance to the # 320 car at the end of the video (video is now unavailable) But I couldn't find that video anymore. Floyd was in the back of the car #320 and then pulled out of it to end up on the ground with 4 officers holding him down.

That's probably the reason why it took three days to charge these officers with manslaughter and the disappearance of that video but the circulation of the main one which allowed to lit the fuse to jump start the agenda.
It doesn't really matter now that Soros' orchestra was given the green light to broadcast its tune all over the place... but:




Conversation

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/739632272865951744/yVceRI-w_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/paulsperry_) Paul Sperry (https://twitter.com/paulsperry_) @paulsperry_

(https://twitter.com/paulsperry_)BREAKING: Minnesota Attorney General Keith "X" Ellison refuses to publicly release video footage from the body cams of accused cops who struggled with 6-4, 235-lb George Floyd. Footage is said to reveal Floyd violently resisting arrest and fighting with cops inside police vehicle

8:28 PM · Jun 8, 2020·

[Mark]

Thank you, Chester.


Yes, this was 1977... but there's no way in the world you can convince me that the "white privilege" that played a role in my outcome... and the lack of "white privilege" that played a roll in the young black kid, first time offender that got 5 years in the state penitentiary isn't an example of a deep, systemic and institutional racism. The pain of this... the pain that has to be felt and passed through generations of African Americans is something that... that seems so incredibly powerful, understandable, informative... and I have absolutely no clue how this could ever heal.

It is deep and abiding, it is certain. In African Americans and white Americans. It has taken an inter-generational toll to materially, socially and mentally dominate and be subjugated based upon a self-evident Truth. It has to be taught to children, is not fully epigenetic. We always have choice and people overcome their programming because that's what we do. When we choose to.

Black pain is real and abiding it starts young at the first realization of the nature of society. I grew up in integrated environments always, being a military brat and moving every two years around the nation and the world. Losing my friends, their eyes changed when we had the lesson about, here in America, slavery. Before that, kids were kids but after that, society begins intercede in personal relationships. One on one relationships remain cordial or intimate but unless there is conscious deliberation once small groups collect the dynamic shifts. So there is no getting away from that and we learn to play certain roles in societal flash points that take us out of ourselves and into the collective, I think, a lot more than white folks ever have to, until very recently. This is all happening so fast now.

That young black boy was present for you in a greater way, Chester, some of those synchronicities you mentioned.

Blacks who don't grow up around whites don't have a personal connection, memories, to create positive association and so whites are seen as an abstraction, much as it occurs on the other side of that equation. School, job and socialization continue to reinforce these divisions at every level of society at nigh subconscious levels unless you are forced to look at them constantly. Like those outside of the mainstream must. Day in and day out, a negative and subordinate reality right there, you can see it, hear it, but can't touch or taste it, it's beyond you forever because of the color of your skin in America and other nations. These are the basic senses of human cognition and belonging. And yet, you live in an era when life has demonstrably changed for all people, for the better. The contradiction between those two realities can create cognitive dissonance and a spiraling down into fear unless you make a choice. A choice about how - you desire your world to be. Individually.



I send energy that it heal... all the time, have done so ever since I was a teenager. But it doesn't seem to have changed.

Amorphous, undirected energy? Or energy directed and intentioned to affect the genetic cellular database? :)


But I am under no illusion that any of my "inner goodness" and outer reflection of such balances the generational pain felt in the hearts of so many of the African American community here in the US.

I am at a loss... I have no answers... It will play out the way it should? We'll see.

I've always had a very clear "feeling" about you, Chester, I like you. As I like others here and have some who have been ejected in the most public fashion. :)

We're still here and we will live to see a higher discussion around the issues that consume our nation and the world.

[Mark]

Speaking of crazy times (and stupid, loaded poll questions) - saw this at Neon's place... was it wrong that I laughed?

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/310/446/original/f61e7729270cd3c4.png?1591718386

Right. This is exactly on point and where we are. Corporations tempt us with our desires, this virtue signalling. Billions. Enough to buy influence in space and maybe contracts in the asteroid belt and then, Nike Planet.

[Mark]

The idea would be much like Mark/Rahkyt, I, and others have stated earlier in this thread; become engaged in the solutions to institutionalized corruption, thoughtfully. (And with an eye of not being socially maneuvered into something that would lead to a further entrenchment of a technocratic/surveillance state.)

This is my personal stance and what I see as the only way to proceed. We aren't in a position currently to wield any power toward ensuring this end, but each decision leads down a path more or less in a direction where human agency remains paramount, which is how i am tending toward understanding the issues in my own personal decision-making process. Understanding the players and the deeper levels of the game has brought us to this point of actualization. The only sane response is to act, to make the choices wherever you are that wend us through the technological and ethical maze forward toward respecting the individual good of all while simultaneously providing for the collective.

Unless genocide knocks the majority of the human population out at once and that 500 million the Georgia Guidestones recommends becomes the norm we still have to live through it all doing what we can wherever we are.

It feels to me like we've arrived at a point where it has become increasingly evident that these distinctions between polarities and their succedent effects will have to play out.

Barring a planetary or cosmic event like pole shift, a galactic wave or a solar kill shot we have no other choice. With such events, the scenario is simplified and stark.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The idea would be much like Mark/Rahkyt, I, and others have stated earlier in this thread; become engaged in the solutions to institutionalized corruption, thoughtfully. (And with an eye of not being socially maneuvered into something that would lead to a further entrenchment of a technocratic/surveillance state.)

This is my personal stance and what I see as the only way to proceed. We aren't in a position currently to wield any power toward ensuring this end, but each decision leads down a path more or less in a direction where human agency remains paramount, which is how i am tending toward understanding the issues in my own personal decision-making process. Understanding the players and the deeper levels of the game has brought us to this point of actualization. The only sane response is to act, to make the choices wherever you are that wend us through the technological and ethical maze forward toward respecting the individual good of all while simultaneously providing for the collective.

Unless genocide knocks the majority of the human population at once and that 500 million the Georgia Guidestones recommends becomes the norm we still have to live through it all doing what we can wherever we are.

It feels to me like we've arrived at a point where it has become increasingly evident that these distinctions between polarities and their succedent effects will have to play out.

Barring a planetary or cosmic event like pole shift, a galactic wave or a solar kill shot we have no other choice. With such events, the scenario is simplified and stark.

I like your thinking, Mark. Rational and compassionate, and intelligent, if you don't mind me saying. The left needs more voices like yours, not that the right couldn't benefit from your sage reflections on the path forward either.

I would definitely support your efforts were I a constituent of your district.

[Bill Ryan]

The left needs more voices like yours, not that the right couldn't benefit from your sage reflections on the path forward either.I'd suggest, with genuine respect to all, that the 'left-right' thing really isn't helpful or useful. Not in the slightest.

We may need some words to describe the various positions, views, and possible agendas, but those words need to be very carefully chosen. And there may be quite a few words needed, too, not just such a trite, glib depiction of such complex issues that's promoted by all mainstream political parties everywhere.

Here's my beef. Of course, black lives matter. (I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

[Mark]

We may need some words to describe the various positions, views, and possible agendas, but those words need to be very carefully chosen. And there may be quite a few words needed, too, not just such a trite, glib depiction of such complex issues that's promoted by all mainstream political parties everywhere.

Here's my beef. Of course, black lives matter. (I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

And this is what I see as the outcome of this particular juncture of this enjoining, Bill.

A deeper understanding of why All Lives Matter is contested. An integration of that understanding into a decision to focus, finally, on all lives instead of just some, if that can even be done in the context of our world economic system and the clear desire of the majority of the planet's people that all they want to collectively do is chill and do their thing if left alone to do so, engaging and loving when chosen, pursuing their individuated conceptions of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness in their own countries and their own languages. The ubiquitous movement toward a collectivized global culture requires a "buy-in" by the people, the acceptance of standards of beauty and value in material objects and the trappings of wealth and social standing.

Do you think black people would be yelling Black Lives Matter if they didn't already believe that All Lives Matter? And this is at the level of people, individuals and groups.

Dred Scott Decision, 1857:

[African Americans] had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold, and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever a profit could be made by it.

All lives do matter. Including black lives, which have not mattered, ever, in American history and maybe since the dawn of the rise of the West and the ascendancy of European interpretations of the Cosmos to the top of the Pyramid. Black lives mattered before then, certainly, as all lives did and race was not weaponized in a similar way to how it has been in these days of identity politics and increasing dehumanization of populations. It seems like people dehumanized in specific instances culturally based upon in and out-group politics but never to the extent we are familiar with and are living through now.

By saying that Domestically Abused Lives Matter and
Abused Children's Lives matter and
Red Lives Matter and
Uyghur Lives Matter and
Rohingya Lives Matter and
San Bushmen Lives Matter and
The Australian Aboriginies and New Zealand Maori Lives Matter and
Poor People's Lives Matter and
The Indigenous Tribes of the Amazon Lives Matter

You are saying Black Lives Matter. In the greater sense of the ideological and polarizing sense of Good and Evil, Right and Wrong, Up and Down, Front and Back, Black and White. There is an essential purity to defining the world in opposition and to seeking the matrices of engagement between the poles, finding the space of resonation and collusion that allows a state of being to rise individually within the body as equilibrium, and externally between people. If white is good and black is bad, then all associated with the bad is also associated with the black. The dark and the light, it is so fundamental to our cognition that in our language and communication, we cannot seem to help but default to defining and interpreting the world in these essential terms.

So it's as deep as our individual way of thinking and how we are, together, co-creating a "Story" and acting it out deliberately, whenever in our lives we find a space where we can engage at that higher level of thinking. This is how we decide, when we take on this mantle and engage our creative faculties. And it is how these dichotomies become increasingly amorphous in times like these right here, where the excesses of both extremes brings about the realization that the only way through is walking that razor's edge between the extremes with like-minded souls seeking vibratory balance as oppositional attractions unite find union.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3Eg5jKsaY

[Valerie Villars]

WTF are they teaching our next generation. :(:facepalm::(

". . . from a place of privilege... and I think we need to step back and imagine what it would already feel like to live in that reality"

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1270012163411914752

1270012163411914752

Edit: Comrade Camerota and Comrade Bender.

[Gracy]

This is interesting, and hardly surprising if indeed true:


Minnesota cops 'trained by Israeli forces in restraint techniques'
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques

The Jerusalem Post denies this, but hell, we've already seen photos here shared of IDF or Israeli Police doing just that.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israeli-police-we-do-not-have-a-george-floyd-procedure-630907

[greybeard]

George Floyd and murder accused Derek Chauvin clashed while working together at Minneapolis nightclub, says co-worker
Imogen Braddick
Evening Standard

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/george-floyd-murder-accused-derek-082725553.html

George Floyd and the police officer charged with his murder knew each other "pretty well" and regularly "bumped heads" when they worked together at a nightclub in Minneapolis, a co-worker has claimed.

Former police officer Derek Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder after he was filmed kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes in the street on May 25.

Speaking to CBS on Tuesday, David Pinney said he worked with the pair as a security guard at El Nuevo Rodeo last year.

"They bumped heads," Mr Pinney said. "It has a lot to do with Derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which was an issue."
Derek Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder following the death of George Floyd (Facebook/Darnella Frazier/AFP/Getty Images)
Derek Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder following the death of George Floyd (Facebook/Darnella Frazier/AFP/Getty Images)

Mr Pinney said the two men knew each other "pretty well" and said that Mr Chauvin probably knew who Mr Floyd was when he arrested him.

"He knew him," Mr Pinney told CBS. "I would say pretty well."

The nightclub owner, Maya Santamaria, confirmed last month that the two men worked security at the site.

She told CBS that she believed Mr Chauvin was "afraid and intimidated" by black people in general.

"He sometimes had a real short fuse and he seemed afraid," she said.

The news comes after Mr Floyd was laid to rest next to his mother in his hometown of Houston, Texas, on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after his death in Minneapolis.

He was lovingly remembered as Big Floyd, a “gentle giant”, a father and brother, athlete and mentor, and now a force for change.
Joshua Broussard kneels in front of a memorial and mural that honors George Floyd at the Scott Food Mart corner store in Houston's Third Ward (Getty Images)
Joshua Broussard kneels in front of a memorial and mural that honors George Floyd at the Scott Food Mart corner store in Houston's Third Ward (Getty Images)

Hundreds of mourners wearing masks against coronavirus packed the Fountain of Praise Church to remember the black man whose death has sparked a global reckoning over police brutality and racial prejudice.

His brother Rodney told mourners: “Everybody is going to remember him around the world. He is going to change the world.”

The Rev William Lawson, who once marched with the Rev Martin Luther King Jr, said of Mr Floyd: “Out of his death has come a movement, a worldwide movement.

"But that movement is not going to stop after two weeks, three weeks, a month. That movement is going to change the world.”

Mourners also included actors Jamie Foxx and Channing Tatum, rapper Trae tha Truth, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo and city mayor Sylvester Turner, who brought the crowd to its feet when he announced he will sign an executive order banning police using choke holds in the city.

The funeral came a day after about 6,000 people attended a public memorial, also in Houston, waiting for hours to pay their respects to Mr Floyd, whose body lay in an open gold-coloured casket.

[Forest Denizen]

I’ve been trying to understand the viewpoints here and I’ve been having some serious issues doing so.

If there was a movement, an uprising, in Myanmar by the Rohingya people protesting their treatment by police and military forces, and using the term “Rohingya Lives Matter!” would you interject and complain that they were being used by TPTB to divert attention away from, say, the Babylonian Money Magic System under which we are all enslaved?

When the Palestinians are protesting their mistreatment and marginalization by the Israeli military, do you jump in waving your hands and shouting, say “Hey, many of these military folks are actually good people (which I’m sure they are) and what about the Uighur’s in China”?

Or if the Uighur’s were holding up signs “Uighur Lives Matter!” would you complain that, “Hey, many of the Han Chinese majority are good people, give them a break! This whole Uighur thing is just to distract you from the fact that there is a New World Order Agenda afoot”?

Yes, of course All Lives Matter. But do we insist on drowning out the narrative that Black Lives Matter and call it a psyop by TPTB, ignore their systematic oppression by the white majority in the U. S. because, admitting the Black Lives Matter movement is justified means you are bowing to TPTB? Where does that get us? Undermining the Black Lives Matter Movement will get us where exactly?

I’m honestly asking this because I’ve been distressed by this uprising against a movement which is in search of fairer treatment for Black people in the U.S. and world in general. And yes, of course I realize that the movement has been infiltrated by bad actors on the left and right, but so have all worthwhile efforts that are a potential threat to TPTB.

I believe that Black Lives Matter is an important step in a journey forward in recognition that Tibetan Lives Matter, Uighur Lives Matter, Rohingya Lives Matter, Palestinian Lives Matter, Native American Lives Matter, that ALL Lives Matter. But if you are insisting that this first step, Black Lives Matter, is just a psyop, well, what then?

[Dorjezigzag]

I’ve been trying to understand the viewpoints here and I’ve been having some serious issues doing so.

If there was a movement, an uprising, in Myanmar by the Rohingya people protesting their treatment by police and military forces, and using the term “Rohingya Lives Matter!” would you interject and complain that they were being used by TPTB to divert attention away from, say, the Babylonian Money Magic System under which we are all enslaved?

When the Palestinians are protesting their mistreatment and marginalization by the Israeli military, do you jump in waving you’re hands and shouting, say “Hey, many of these military folks are actually good people (which I’m sure they are) and what about the Uighur’s in China”?

Or if the Uighur’s were holding up signs “Uighur Lives Matter!” would you complain that, “Hey, many of the Han Chinese majority are good people, give them a break! This whole Uighur thing is just to distract you from the fact that there is a New World Order Agenda afoot”?

Yes, of course All Lives Matter. But do we insist on drowning out the narrative that Black Lives Matter and call it a psyop by TPTB, ignore their systematic oppression by the white majority in the U. S. because, admitting the Black Lives Matter movement is justified means you are bowing to TPTB? Where does that get us? Attempting to castrate the Black Lives Movement will get us where exactly?

I’m honestly asking this because I’ve been distressed by this uprising against a movement which is in search of fairer treatment for Black people in the U.S. and world in general. And yes, of course I realize that the movement has been infiltrated by bad actors on the left and right, but so have all worthwhile efforts that are a potential threat to TPTB.

I believe that Black Lives Matter is an important step in a journey forward in recognition that Tibetan Lives Matter, Uighur Lives Matter, Rohingya Lives Matter, Palestinian Lives Matter, Native American Lives Matter, that ALL Lives Matter. But if you are insisting that this first step, Black Lives Matter, is just a psyop, well, what then?

These protests would not happen in most of the examples you have given because they are genuinely oppressed people and would not be allowed. Many of the arguments of the black lives matter movement are false and not based on a honest reflection of self-responsibility trying to project many of their own self created problems on the 'white' demon. The whole white privilege narrative is racist and is bringing back the spectre of identity politics which will eventually get very messy. Many White people are being excluded from the debate at the moment because they can highlight certain gaping holes in the narrative, this again is racist and against our western values of freedom of speech and open debate.

Currently, in the USA and most European countries, a black student will have to achieve lower grades in order to attend university than its white and Asian counterparts, Most companies will guarantee a certain quota of black employees even if they are not the most suitable candidate. You could argue this is prejudice against non-black people, why should they have to work and study harder than their black counterparts. Tell me of any apartheid laws in the USA or Europe that discriminate against black people?

A country that has not been mentioned where actual oppression is happening is South Africa. and why is that, could it perhaps be because the opressed people there are white. White people are being banned from purchasing farms and are attacked on a regular basis, there are future plans for a ban on white ownership of property and businesses. In South Africa, there is again a quota on companies employing black people and again this is prejudiced against white people. There is no imperative to employ white people but a company needs to employ a certain amount of black people before they can employ any white people. High ranking politicians openly call for a white genocide and are not charged or reprimanded. There is no mainstream media outcry.

I have noticed that some of my South African friends have started putting up white lives matter on their Facebook and I can imagine that many people reading this now will be thinking how dare they, how racist. I would argue they are experiencing greater oppression than there black US counterparts so have just as much right.

ALL LIVES MATTER!

[Gwin Ru]

...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.vk1.html):

BLOCKBUSTER: DEMOCRAT CAMPAIGN FUNDING WEB SITE TIED DIRECTLY TO BLACK LIVES MATTER

Donations to Black Lives Matter go directly to the DNC, including international funding

I went through all of this and confirmed it 100 percent legit, I first learned about it HERE. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/exclusive-donations-including-international-funding-blacklivesmatter-com-go-directly-dnc-money-laundering/) Here it is, laid out in one of my graphics as clearly as it could possibly be. This is confirmed folks, BLM is the DNC's baby.

http://82.221.129.208/actblue.png ______________________________

[Sophocles]

Sad but fully understandable...


‘You won’t need to abolish us – we won’t be around for it’: Why I and many of my colleagues are quitting as US police officers (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491422-i-my-colleagues-are-quitting-as-us-police-officers/)

RT
10 Jun, 2020

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Travis Yates is a serving police commander in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is a doctoral student in Strategic Leadership, a graduate of the FBI National Academy, and the author of "The Courageous Police Leader: A Survival Guide for Combating Cowards, Chaos & Lies”. This article was first published on lawofficer.com (https://www.lawofficer.com/america-we-are-leaving/)
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After more than 27 years in the force, I’ve had enough. These protests and riots are the final straw. The nasty words we get called all the time have now turned into rocks, bottles and gunfire. It’s over, America: we are leaving.

This is the hardest thing I have written.

I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his way up to the rank of Captain at the Fort Smith, Arkansas, Police Department. As a kid I remember going with him on Friday to pick up his check and I was in awe of these super heroes he worked around.

My dad sacrificed a lot and so did my late mother. Whether it was the week-long surveillance or wiretap or chasing drug runners across the country, he gave it all for my family and worked plenty of extra details to never let our family be without. Some would call that privilege but where I grew up, it was called hard work.

The kids at school thought it was cool what my dad did and while he sometimes asked me if anyone gave me a hard time, they never did. There was respect among all… even the kids in shop class.

I didn’t grow up wanting to be a cop but one fateful night, as a freshman in college, that all changed.

I went on a ride along and my life’s journey would never be the same.

After four years of college my dad wanted me at an agency that respected that education so I moved to Tulsa (Oklahoma) at 21 years old and never looked back.

I didn’t know anyone and all I knew was what I saw my dad do, work hard and treat people with respect. I saw a lot of other cops working hard as well and doing all they could to keep the community safe.

27 years has passed and if you would have told me the condition of law enforcement today, I would have never believed you.

It’s not that law enforcement has changed for the worse but everything around it has.

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

There used to be a common respect among criminals. If they got caught, they understood you had a job to do but now it’s our fault they sit in handcuffs rather than their own personal decisions.

If someone attacked a cop, they were seen as such. Now we martyr them and sue for millions.

We used to be able to testify in court and we were believed. Now, unless there is video from three different angles, no one cares what you have to say.

With all this talk about racism and racist cops, I’ve never seen people treated differently because of their race. And while I know that cowards that have never done this job will call me racist for saying it, all I’ve ever seen was criminal behavior and cops trying to stop it and they didn’t give a rip what their skin color was.

I’ve seen cops help and save any type of race, gender or ethnicity you can think of and while that used to mean something, no one cares anymore.

I’ve been called every name you can think of and many of them with racial overtones and it’s never come from cops. I’ve watched African American cops take the brunt of this and even talked one rookie out of quitting after he was berated by a lot of cowards that had the same skin color as him.

I’ve heard words I never heard before being a cop.

Uncle Tom, Cracker, Pig and the N Word just to name a few. I’ve heard them thousands of times and never once did I see a police officer retaliate.

They just took it.

Despite that, it’s been the greatest opportunity of my life to do this job. I would have recommended it to anyone and I secretly hoped one of my kids would do it one day.

They would have been a 4th Generation Cop.

But today, all of that is over. I wouldn’t wish this job on my worst enemy. I would never send anyone I cared about into the hell that this profession has become.

It’s the only job you can do everything right and lose everything.

It’s the only job where the same citizens you risk your life for hate you for it.

It’s the only segment left in society where it’s cool to discriminate and judge, just because of the uniform you wear.

You never get to explain.

You can never reason with them.

The nasty words have now turned into rocks and bottles and gunfire.

I’ve watched it happen to those around me and I have seen the total destruction of their life.

This job is a walking time bomb and you could get cancelled or prosecuted on the very next call, even if you do everything right.

No profession has to deal with that.

Doctors kill 250,000 people a year. They call them “medical mistakes” because society understands that they do a very difficult job under high stress and they must make the best possible decision in the moment.

Law enforcement is tasked with the same and we are highly successful. Despite the most violent society we have ever seen, less than 1,000 suspects are killed a year. 96% are attacking us with weapons and all but a few others are attacking us with their cars or their fists and more and more with simulated guns so Benjamin Crump (an American civil rights attorney) can help their family win the lottery.

I’ve seen cops risk their own lives when they shouldn’t have… just to keep from taking one.

They never get the credit that other professions get.

Cowards are all around us. From chiefs to sheriffs to politicians, no one has our back.

Now, the little we have, we are told they are going to defund us or even abolish us. Citizens with a political agenda will reign over us and all you have to do is wake up and put on a uniform to be a racist.

This weekend I received death threats for just doing my job. It would have been outrageous a decade ago and made national news.

Now, it’s just a Monday.

There will be more threats, more accusations of racism and more lies told about us.

I used to talk cops out of leaving the job. Now I’m encouraging them.

It’s over America. You finally did it.

You aren’t going to have to abolish the police, we won’t be around for it.

And while I know most Americans still appreciate us, it’s not enough and the risk is too high.

Those of you that say thank you or buy the occasional meal, it means everything.

But those of you that were silent while the slow turning of the knives in our backs happened by thugs and cowards, this is on you.

Your belief in hashtags and memes over the truth has and will create an environment in your community that you will never expect.

If you think Minneapolis will never turn into Mogadishu – it’s coming.

And when it does, remember what your complicity did.

This is the America that you made.

[Dorjezigzag]

The voice of Douglas Murray is very relevant in this discussion

On White Privilege. Only 10 mins

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On the George Floyd protests

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[DaveToo]

fixing the quotes...

[DaveToo]

This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.


Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.Nope, listen to the whole thing.


Bill I went against my better judgment and watched a little more of the interview.

Are you referring to the part where they discuss that it wasn't the neck hold that caused the death, but rather a heart attack?

Or maybe you are thinking of something else?

[AuCo]

I pulled this letter writen by an anonymous history professor at U.C. Berkeley, from a Zero Hedge page. It is some what lengthy but a rather good read:

UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy

Dear profs X, Y, Z

I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.




In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or 'Uncle Toms'. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates' undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.

Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.

And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department's apparent desire to shoulder the 'white man's burden' and to promote a narrative of white guilt.

If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam.

These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM's problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.

No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald's and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.

The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called 'race hustlers': hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.

MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.

I'm ashamed of my department. I would say that I'm ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It's hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

It shouldn't affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.

No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party's uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd's death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.

[AutumnW]

AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

[AutumnW]

Sad but fully understandable...


‘You won’t need to abolish us – we won’t be around for it’: Why I and many of my colleagues are quitting as US police officers (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491422-i-my-colleagues-are-quitting-as-us-police-officers/)

RT
10 Jun, 2020

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Travis Yates is a serving police commander in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is a doctoral student in Strategic Leadership, a graduate of the FBI National Academy, and the author of "The Courageous Police Leader: A Survival Guide for Combating Cowards, Chaos & Lies”. This article was first published on lawofficer.com (https://www.lawofficer.com/america-we-are-leaving/)
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After more than 27 years in the force, I’ve had enough. These protests and riots are the final straw. The nasty words we get called all the time have now turned into rocks, bottles and gunfire. It’s over, America: we are leaving.

This is the hardest thing I have written.

I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his way up to the rank of Captain at the Fort Smith, Arkansas, Police Department. As a kid I remember going with him on Friday to pick up his check and I was in awe of these super heroes he worked around.

My dad sacrificed a lot and so did my late mother. Whether it was the week-long surveillance or wiretap or chasing drug runners across the country, he gave it all for my family and worked plenty of extra details to never let our family be without. Some would call that privilege but where I grew up, it was called hard work.

The kids at school thought it was cool what my dad did and while he sometimes asked me if anyone gave me a hard time, they never did. There was respect among all… even the kids in shop class.

I didn’t grow up wanting to be a cop but one fateful night, as a freshman in college, that all changed.

I went on a ride along and my life’s journey would never be the same.

After four years of college my dad wanted me at an agency that respected that education so I moved to Tulsa (Oklahoma) at 21 years old and never looked back.

I didn’t know anyone and all I knew was what I saw my dad do, work hard and treat people with respect. I saw a lot of other cops working hard as well and doing all they could to keep the community safe.

27 years has passed and if you would have told me the condition of law enforcement today, I would have never believed you.

It’s not that law enforcement has changed for the worse but everything around it has.

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

There used to be a common respect among criminals. If they got caught, they understood you had a job to do but now it’s our fault they sit in handcuffs rather than their own personal decisions.

If someone attacked a cop, they were seen as such. Now we martyr them and sue for millions.

We used to be able to testify in court and we were believed. Now, unless there is video from three different angles, no one cares what you have to say.

With all this talk about racism and racist cops, I’ve never seen people treated differently because of their race. And while I know that cowards that have never done this job will call me racist for saying it, all I’ve ever seen was criminal behavior and cops trying to stop it and they didn’t give a rip what their skin color was.

I’ve seen cops help and save any type of race, gender or ethnicity you can think of and while that used to mean something, no one cares anymore.

I’ve been called every name you can think of and many of them with racial overtones and it’s never come from cops. I’ve watched African American cops take the brunt of this and even talked one rookie out of quitting after he was berated by a lot of cowards that had the same skin color as him.

I’ve heard words I never heard before being a cop.

Uncle Tom, Cracker, Pig and the N Word just to name a few. I’ve heard them thousands of times and never once did I see a police officer retaliate.

They just took it.

Despite that, it’s been the greatest opportunity of my life to do this job. I would have recommended it to anyone and I secretly hoped one of my kids would do it one day.

They would have been a 4th Generation Cop.

But today, all of that is over. I wouldn’t wish this job on my worst enemy. I would never send anyone I cared about into the hell that this profession has become.

It’s the only job you can do everything right and lose everything.

It’s the only job where the same citizens you risk your life for hate you for it.

It’s the only segment left in society where it’s cool to discriminate and judge, just because of the uniform you wear.

You never get to explain.

You can never reason with them.

The nasty words have now turned into rocks and bottles and gunfire.

I’ve watched it happen to those around me and I have seen the total destruction of their life.

This job is a walking time bomb and you could get cancelled or prosecuted on the very next call, even if you do everything right.

No profession has to deal with that.

Doctors kill 250,000 people a year. They call them “medical mistakes” because society understands that they do a very difficult job under high stress and they must make the best possible decision in the moment.

Law enforcement is tasked with the same and we are highly successful. Despite the most violent society we have ever seen, less than 1,000 suspects are killed a year. 96% are attacking us with weapons and all but a few others are attacking us with their cars or their fists and more and more with simulated guns so Benjamin Crump (an American civil rights attorney) can help their family win the lottery.

I’ve seen cops risk their own lives when they shouldn’t have… just to keep from taking one.

They never get the credit that other professions get.

Cowards are all around us. From chiefs to sheriffs to politicians, no one has our back.

Now, the little we have, we are told they are going to defund us or even abolish us. Citizens with a political agenda will reign over us and all you have to do is wake up and put on a uniform to be a racist.

This weekend I received death threats for just doing my job. It would have been outrageous a decade ago and made national news.

Now, it’s just a Monday.

There will be more threats, more accusations of racism and more lies told about us.

I used to talk cops out of leaving the job. Now I’m encouraging them.

It’s over America. You finally did it.

You aren’t going to have to abolish the police, we won’t be around for it.

And while I know most Americans still appreciate us, it’s not enough and the risk is too high.

Those of you that say thank you or buy the occasional meal, it means everything.

But those of you that were silent while the slow turning of the knives in our backs happened by thugs and cowards, this is on you.

Your belief in hashtags and memes over the truth has and will create an environment in your community that you will never expect.

If you think Minneapolis will never turn into Mogadishu – it’s coming.

And when it does, remember what your complicity did.

This is the America that you made.

As a VERY appropriate counter balance to this, please read, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop" thread I started. I find it hard to believe this is a genuine bit of writing from a cop. If it is, he might be policing in a smaller community, where they aren't militarized. Kind of like Andy of Mayberry.

[AuCo]

AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

I supposed you are right, AW. I thought looking at a bigger picture might give a better understanding of how important a small part of it can be emphasized upon.

Btw, I did read the thread you mentioned. :thumbsup:

Also, I realized ZH is rather rightly biased. Their articles sometimes rattle the ears but don't stink so bad most of the time. :)

[Luke Holiday]

LOTS of puzzling Questions about the George Floyd Incident:

1. Why does one photo from behind show the man on the road is not handcuffed and the video from the front that he is handcuffed?

. Why is the cop car in the restaurant surveillance video different than the one Floyd was lying behind (different car numbers)?

3. Why were the cops in the surveillance footage that arrested him different than the police in the actual incident?

4. Why does the video show the diesel fuel price as 99 cents instead of the regular price in the area of $2.49?

5. Why does the Police Car have a non-Municipal license plate with “Police” on it?

6. Why does Derek have a completely different police badge on top of a second police badge matching his partner’s if they work for the same precinct?

7. Why is it not odd that both Officers Tou Thao and Derek Chauvin have both previously been investigated for excessive use of force and not charged by State AG Amy Klobuchar? Additionally, Officer Derek Chauvin is married to his partner’s sister Kelli.

8. Is there any cop dumb enough to continue kneeling on someone’s neck for 8 minutes when surrounded by people and being video recorded?

9. Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

10. Why does the main cop have one hand in his pocket most of the time he’s kneeling?

11. Why did the kneeling officer appear completely cool and calm, as if he was posing for the camera?

12. Doesn’t it seem strange that Floyd and the officer that kneeled on his neck worked security together on the same shift at the El Nuevo Rodeo Club, the officer for 17 years (both were laid off because of the Covid Virus)?

13. Why do the neighbors of this officer say they didn’t know he was a cop and never saw him in uniform?

14. Why has the same attorney been hired as with all the other big supposed police killings of blacks? Attorney Benjamin Crump. The same attorney that worked on previous cases that resulted in busses bringing in rioters from outside the city?

15. Why does store surveillance video show Floyd calmly and submissively walking with the officer and not resisting arrest while the officer gently allowed him to sit down on the side walk, and multiple officers calmly chatting with him? Is this the kind of suspect that a police officer would feel the need to put on the ground and place his knee on his neck

16. Why did the EMT workers (wearing Police Uniforms including bullet proof vests) roughly handle and dump the unconscious George on the stretcher? This is not how trained emergency workers lift a person with a possible neck injury. Why did they not attempt triage or try CPR?

17. Can someone really not breath when someone kneels on his neck and is the victim really able to speak for considerable periods of time if he can’t breathe?

18. Post killing: Why is a white man that looks like an undercover (St Paul) cop in black and a riot gear mask carrying a black umbrella walking around breaking windows (and others dressed similarly starting fires) and instigating a riot? Is this reminiscent of “umbrella man” during the JFK shooting?

19. Why were almost all the rioters leading the destruction of the neighborhood at the beginning of the riots “white” and not from Minneapolis…
in a black neighborhood after a police killed a black man?

20. Why did the Chief of Police make it a point that those Inciting the Riots and Arsonists were not from Minnesota?

21. Why was a CNN News Crew not only detained but also Arrested?

Edward E. Hueske
Consulting Forensic Scientist
350 ACR 3582
Palestine, TX 75803
Here are a few more:

1. The first autopsy concluded he did not die of asphyxiation. Then the family hired another coroner (the same one who lied to the public about Epstein dying) to do a second autopsy who then came to the conclusion they wanted that he died of asphyxia)?

2. Why is George Floyd whose shoulders are massively larger than the cop poised for the camera not struggle when supposedly gasping for breath… He should have been thrashing around struggling for breath it’s an involuntary response….

3. In order to breath, why didn’t the massive Floyd just flick the cop off his back by turning to the side? He has the strength.

4. Why did they have to hold him down at all if he was handcuffed? Why didn’t they just let him stand…where was he gonna go?

5. Why were cops with knees on necks shown in copycat incidents in Paris and Madrid and protests resulted.

6. Post photos of GF looking photoshopped in front of Corona signs.

7. Obama's tweet page

[AutumnW]

AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

I supposed you are right, AW. I thought looking at a bigger picture might give a better understanding of how important a small part of it can be emphasized upon.

Btw, I did read the thread you mentioned. :thumbsup:

Also, I realized ZH is rather rightly biased. Their articles sometimes rattle the ears but don't stink so bad most of the time. :)

Thanks for reading it, AuCo. You have an open mind! I was horrified by it...but it has that ring of truth about it, so not easily dismissed!

[AutumnW]

Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

Luke

Absolutely. If they are still in shock, it's how many respond. Also..people who have trauma in their past, particularly about death, will respond by shutting down emotionally subsequent to tragic events.

[Luke Holiday]

Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

Luke

Absolutely. If they are still in shock, it's how many respond. Also..people who have trauma in their past, particularly about death, will respond by shutting down emotionally subsequent to tragic events.


Yep and you are 1/28 …. with a batting average of .035

Peace

[kfm27917]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-08-george-floyd-death-faked-crisis-actors-psyop.html

a few videos ( still working at 4:49 PST)
too long to copy.

if U want to see it just goto the link above.

[Catsquotl]

I've been very quiet the last couple of weeks regarding the death of George Floyd and the subsequent unfolding of events.
Still not sure if I should type anything at all. I did hear a few good ideas to keep in mind.
Regardless of the spin this story is getting there is racism. White people do have privileges making life ever so slightly easier in most western countries. Maybe it is time to stop trying to analyse this particular event and to think, listen, educate ourselves and take a step back for a while to let the people who are affected by systemic racism every day have their say and our support.

With Love

[Gwin Ru]

Paris, France... today:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1271831432294535168




https://twitter.com/i/status/1271837278072115207

[Bill Ryan]

Paris, France... today:

Also in London. There are a number of YouTube livestreams, easily found. This page below is one of many containing live text updates.


https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill

[Gemma13]

10,000 in Perth Western Australia today.

[happyuk]

Paris, France... today:

Also in London. There are a number of YouTube livestreams, easily found. This page below is one of many containing live text updates.


https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill


People who are guarding the statues are already being labelled "far right" by the media, including this Telegraph feed.

What if they don’t belong to any such group and are just normal people taking a stand?

The answer, alas, is tough. It has evidently been decided that any opposition to BLM is of the Far Right.

[DaveToo]

Paris, France... today:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1271837278072115207

Social distancing be damned! :happythumbsup:

[Bill Ryan]

I've been watching this video. It's only really relevant on this thread because of the way almost every piece of information everywhere is being twisted into a pretzel to suit someone's point of view or agenda. Here, the video (and the recorded dialog) says all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwmw1virb8w
It's pretty dreadful when you know this poor guy will end up dead just a short time later. (And, very probably, the cop's life is ruined forever.) But there are no bad guys here. The ex-cop video commentator makes a whole bunch of very good points.

With 20-20 hindsight, it's so obvious they should have done what they could to de-escalate the situation. But (maybe), they were simply following required protocol. Ugh. The entire thing was a multiple tragedy.

[mountain_jim]

Dave speaks on the subject of George Floyd and resulting events - the title refers to the number of minutes and seconds that the 'officer' had George Floyd pinned down.

Raw language warning, as you would expect from Dave, who I consider a comedic genius and one who removed himself and his attempted controllers from the corrupt Hollywood and television powers that be at the pinnacle of his career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tR6mKcBbT4

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[Fellow Aspirant]

Paris, France... today:

Also in London. There are a number of YouTube livestreams, easily found. This page below is one of many containing live text updates.


https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill


People who are guarding the statues are already being labelled "far right" by the media, including this Telegraph feed.

What if they don’t belong to any such group and are just normal people taking a stand?

The answer, alas, is tough. It has evidently been decided that any opposition to BLM is of the Far Right.


Too true. There is very little (if any) attempt at actual dialogue in American politics these days. It seems like anybody who expresses an opinion is instantly categorized as being an "extreme" activist on one side or the other. The result is a declared polarization of views, regardless of what is said. There is no middle ground anymore, consequently making it nearly impossible to find things that the average person can identify with. But let's face it, most people are in the middle. How can there be any general agreement on anything?

B

[Gwin Ru]

... Or did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose? (https://medium.com/@leonardjpmail/george-floyd-died-of-a-fentanyl-overdose-not-police-brutality-da4b940052fc)

by JP Leonard (https://medium.com/@leonardjpmail?source=post_page-----da4b940052fc----------------------)
Jun 16 (https://medium.com/@leonardjpmail/george-floyd-died-of-a-fentanyl-overdose-not-police-brutality-da4b940052fc?source=post_page-----da4b940052fc----------------------) · 18 min read

A Forensic Analysis
“The centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world… The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.” — W. B. Yeats, 1919
Truth is the first victim in politics. Factions and passions rule. Random facts are picked as weapons, no one thinks things through.

We need to understand the facts surrounding the death of George Floyd.

Many key facts are being ignored:
- Floyd’s blood tests showed a lethal concentration of Fentanyl of about THREE times the maximum that has been recorded in a survivor, even in intensive care.

— Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid 50 times more potent than heroin. It has rapidly become the most common cause of death among drug addicts.

— The knee hold used by the police is not a choke hold, it does not impede breathing. It is a body restraint and is not known to have ever caused fatal injury.

— Floyd already began to complain “I can’t breathe” a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied, while resisting the officers when they tried to get him into the squad car. Fentanyl affects the breathing, causing death by respiratory arrest.

— It was normal procedure to restrain Floyd 1) because he was resisting arrest, 2) probably in conjunction with excited delirium (EXD), an episode of violent agitation brought on by a drug overdose, typically brief and ending in death from cardiopulmonary arrest.

— The official autopsy did indeed give cardiopulmonary arrest as the cause of death, and stated that injuries he sustained during the arrest were not life-threatening.

— Videos of the arrest do not show police beating or striking Floyd, only carefully restraining him

— In one video Floyd is heard shouting and groaning loudly and incoherently while restrained on the ground, which appears to be a sign of the violent, shouting phase of EXD.
Minneapolis police officers have been charged with Floyd’s murder. Yet all the evidence points to the fact that Floyd had taken a drug overdose so strong that his imminent death could not have been prevented, whatever the circumstances. In reality, the police were neither an intentional nor accidental cause of his death. These crucial facts have been completely ignored in the uproar.

It is widely believed that George Floyd died from a police officer’s knee on his neck, whether due to asphyxiation or neck injury. That may be how it looks, to a naïve viewer. In reality, the county autopsy report says he died of a heart attack,[1] and states that there were “no life-threatening injuries.” Then how could they conclude it was homicide?

When scientists review scientific papers, they look primarily at the evidence, and give little weight to the conclusions, which are only the other guy’s opinions. To blindly follow “expert opinions” is the Authoritarian View of Knowledge. This is no real knowledge at all, because to assess whether an expert is always right, we would need infinite knowledge, and doubly so when experts disagree. Not thinking for oneself is not really thinking.

So let us stick to the evidence. The county’s ambivalent autopsy also included the following hard facts:
“Toxicology Findings: Blood samples collected at 9:00 p.m. on May 25th, before Floyd died, tested positive for the following: Fentanyl 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL, … Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL … 86 ng/mL of morphine,” but draws no conclusions therefrom, noting only that “Quantities are given for those who are medically inclined.”
Shouldn’t we be so inclined? This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.[2]

If ever there was a leap before a look, we are in it now. Masses of people have become extremists, screaming to tear down civilization, based on conclusions that are as false as they are hasty.

Regarding suffocation, the county medical examiner’s report found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”[3] Pressure applied to the side of the neck, as in this case, and not to the throat, has little or no effect on breathing. One can easily verify this oneself.[4]

One difficulty is that there are public statements to the effect that the coroner ruled it a homicide, and the title of the autopsy report includes the term “neck compression.” But the words “homicide,” “restraint,” “stress” or “compression” do not appear in the 20-page body of the report. References to the neck are few — a couple minor abrasions, a contusion on the shoulder, and “The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.” It is as if the title was chosen in regard to what was expected or proposed, but which was never found, and the title was never updated. There seems to be no support at all in the report body for the report title, which reads, “Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

The term “cause of death” does not appear. The word “death” appears in this comment on the lab report: “Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.” Floyd’s fentanyl level was seven times higher.

If first impressions via the media fooled the coroner’s office, until they examined the body, we too can be fooled at first, but change our opinion according to the evidence.

Excited Delirium Syndrome
An alternative hypothesis involves Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD), a symptom of drug overdose which sometimes appears in the final minutes preceding death. EXD typically results from fatal drug abuse, in past years from cocaine or crack, more recently from fentanyl, which is 50 times more potent than heroin. Especially dangerous are street drugs like meth laced with fentanyl.

According to an article in the Western Journal of Emergency Medicine (WJEM), 2011:[5]
“Excited delirium (EXD) is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest… all accounts describe almost the exact same sequence of events: delirium with agitation (fear, panic, shouting, violence and hyperactivity), sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death.”
It appears that an EXD episode began when the officers tried to get Floyd into the squad car. He resisted, citing “claustrophobia” — the onset of the fear and panic phase, and “I can’t breathe” — difficulty breathing due to fentanyl locking into the breathing receptors in the brain. (Classic symptoms of EXD are highlighted in bold.) He then exhibited unexpected strength from the adrenaline spike in successfully resisting the efforts of four officers to get him into the car. When Chauvin pulled him out of the car he fell to the ground, likely due to disorientation and reduced coordination. Presumably this was when he injured his mouth and his nose started to bleed, and the police made the first call for paramedics. While restrained on the ground he exhibited agitation (shouting and hyperactivity (trying to move back and forth) for several minutes. This was soon followed “sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death.” One hears Floyd shouting loudly as in the agitated delirium phase in this video[6]. In a later video, he becomes exhausted, and had stopped breathing as the ambulance arrived.[7]

It appears that disorientation had already set in when the store employees went to Floyd’s car and asked him to return the cigarettes he had bought for a fake $20 bill. He refused, and they reported the incident to the police, saying that he appeared to be very intoxicated. He certainly must have been, or he would have left quickly to avoid arrest.

Police Intervention and Intentions
The EXD diagnosis is controversial and in some quarters is viewed as an alibi for police brutality. The WJEM authors note, “Since the victims frequently die while being restrained or in the custody of law enforcement, there has been speculation over the years of police brutality being the underlying cause. However, it is important to note that the vast majority of deaths occur suddenly prior to capture, in the emergency department (ED), or unwitnessed at home.”

Regarding restraint, they note, “people experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength, so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position (PMRP, also known as “hobble” or “hogtie”), where the person’s ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck.”

This latter position is what the accused officer Chauvin was applying, although at one point the team did consider using a hobble. It has been proposed that restraint helps to forestall injury and death by conserving the subject’s energy. There are also views that restraint increases the likelihood of a fatal outcome.

The charge sheet against Chauvin included this exchange between the two white officers on the squad:[8]
“”I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.

“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said.”
According to this dialogue, Chauvin was apparently was trying to follow the protocol recommended by WJEM. Since Floyd was on his stomach, Chauvin’s knee pinned him at the side of his neck, and did not impede breathing. Commentators are referring to Chauvin “kneeling” on Floyd’s neck, or resting his weight on it. From videos it is hard to gauge how much weight he applied, but the correct procedure is just enough to restrain movement, not to crush the person.

Chauvin and his team might not have done everything perfectly, but it is easy to underestimate the difficulty of police work, particularly in cases of resisting arrest, whether willfully or due to intoxication.

The American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome (ACEP, 2009)[9] notes that “a law enforcement officer (LEO) is often present with a person suffering from ExDS because the situation at hand has degenerated to such a degree that someone has deemed it necessary to contact a person of authority to deal with it. LEOs are in the difficult and sometimes impossible position of having to recognize this as a medical emergency, attempting to control an irrational and physically resistive person, … This already challenging situation has the potential for intense public scrutiny coupled with the expectation of a perfect outcome. Anything less creates a situation of potential public outrage. Unfortunately, this dangerous medical situation makes perfect outcomes difficult.” In other words, officers need to be policemen, paramedics and public relations experts all at once.

With a fatal overdose there is no good outcome possible, but there is no way for police to foresee that. Sometimes EXD can last longer, and it is not always fatal. Perhaps the ACEP Task Force on EXD will update their report and provide guidelines to help police identify and deal with EXD while avoiding accusations of police brutality.

In this video[10] Chauvin continued to apply the neck restraint although bystanders repeatedly objected, and even after Floyd stopped moving. As Floyd became exhausted, it could have been reasonable to relax the restraint to see if it was really necessary. Chauvin didn’t seem to respond to the bystanders to give a medical reason for the restraint. His actions were consistent with a belief that police should restrain the subject until medevacs arrive. Videos show the police focused on restraint, never beating or striking Floyd. The restraint and verbal exchanges with Floyd are also consistent with a belief that he was resisting arrest, by refusing to get in the squad car. When he said “I can’t breathe,” they responded “You’re talking fine.” When they said “Get in the car,” he didn’t agree to.

Subjects suffering from EXD usually resist arrest violently, which requires police to restrain them, but when police see signs of EXD, they also need to call an ambulance. It appears the police may have called for paramedics first when Floyd developed a nosebleed, then for an ambulance, which arrived after Floyd had stopped breathing.[11] .

Videos of EXD incidents generally show subjects violently resisting arrest, and requiring multiple officers to subdue them. There is one video clip about a police departments that was trained to regard EXD as a medical and not a criminal issue, and avoid physical restraint as far as possible; the results are much better.[12]

EXD seems to be the most likely reason why Floyd suddenly refused to get into the squad car, and began to shout and writhe on the ground. With or without EXD or police intervention, he was doomed to die quickly, even if an antidote had been immediately available.

Fentanyl is so deadly because it acts so fast and binds so tightly to dopamine receptors in the brain — even those that control breathing, unlike other narcotics.[13] When Floyd complained “I can’t breathe,” although he was breathing,[14] and then completely stopped breathing, this was the onset of respiratory arrest, which is how a fentanyl overdose kills.

While police work is needed to trace the source of these dangerous drugs, the problems of drug addiction and crime have deep causes and can only be contained, not solved, by the police. Whatever our society has been doing about these problems is not working.

Right now, our civilization risks being torn apart by the passions of extremism, due to a misunderstanding. Please share this analysis, as an appeal to return to reason.
Reviewer comment:

“My first thought is why it has been left to you to figure this out, when we pay professional journalists to investigate these things, and why aren’t the police and politicians telling us about this.”
A good question which gives a clue to something I’ve been wondering about. When other commentators publish within hours, why does it take me a week or two to finish an article like this? Journalists are usually under a deadline to produce stories quickly, whereas it takes a lot of research and reflection to develop an original thesis into a fair and coherent explanation of events.

Everyone tends to have an agenda, and to look for facts to support it. Police brutality or looters running amok may be more newsworthy than a chronic problem like drug abuse. The best agenda now is to take a break to focus on facts, or else an “Excited Delirium” could become a contagion that engulfs our nation.


Part II. The Death of Tony Timpa
A highly pertinent question: Has there ever been a confirmed death from a knee hold before? Not finding any data by searching the Net, I posted the question on Quora.[15] One answer soon came.

A young white man died in Dallas a few years ago, after being restrained by the police with the knee on his back. My respondent believed he suffocated, but the actual autopsy said cardiac arrest due to cocaine, overdose EXD, and stress from restraint by police officers.

Tony Timpa had not only taken an overdose of cocaine, plus he was off his anti-schizophrenia medicine. Mental illness can also be a trigger for EXD, and according to the autopsy report, he displayed all the classic symptoms. The first phase, fear and panic, was fear of the onset of delirium itself — he himself called 911 for help. By the time the police arrived, security guards had already handcuffed him to restrain him. He was incoherent, out of control, found lying on the ground, the typical EXD position. The police pinned him down with a knee on his back for 13 minutes, saying he was at risk of rolling into the roadway, and suddenly he was dead.

Tony Timpa died in 2016. The family got the run-around,[16] and an autopsy was not released until 2019. The body cam footage was released, which showed the police behaving callously towards the subject. The officers were originally charged with homicide, but it was found they were not at fault, charges were dropped and they were reinstated. Timpa’s case is very similar to Floyd case in many ways, and there are also many differences — the starkest of course being the intensity of the public reaction.

Here is the text of the Timpa autopsy.[17]
[17] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6226349-SWIFS-Investigative-Narrative.html#document/p7/a515249
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... as if the orchestra was at the ready for the curtains' opening...

[shaberon]

He is entitled to a supposedly fair trial. He is not guilty of anything.

Slogan at Ukranian (https://www.rt.com/sport/492130-free-derek-chauvin-george-floyd/) football match:

Free Derek Chauvin

Yes, when the "I can't breathe" was before the pin down, what was that coming from?

Speedball is what killed Jim Belushi, isn't it?

The ExD is definitely real and definitely applied to the person I might have killed, that the deputies said should have been killed. Then I would have said I did it right to a judge. "Next"?

We are the public and we are much more dangerous than the police, I cannot imagine how many civilian murders are going on unrequited these days.

It looked like he fell over due to disorientation to me. He was obviously still alive, and, restraint is still the protocol. You don't really know if someone is going to flip out or go into OD.

It also did not look to me like Chauvin used excessive force. He, perhaps, might have let off or noticed something as Floyd became non-responsive. Yes, it is perhaps possible to kill someone that way, but, unless someone adjusts on you very well, the neck is rather strong. Once I let someone try their choke hold on me for all they could, and it did nothing. I have also been hit by one that made me tap immediately. But this is what we call strangulation or stopping the blood. Choking the air passage
is a bit more difficult, is very rare in fighting, and I would be willing to guess knee pressure would be prone to cause any other kind of problem before this.

[edina]

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Keeping all the things I mind that Candace Owens just said, we still need to demand justice for George Floyd, but this should inform how we go about it.

This is an interesting, respectful and thoughtful conversation between Candace and Marc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lamont_Hill), that stems from the comments that Candace shared in this video.

(BTW, thank you Krystian for sharing the video, I had been wondering at the time what Candace thought about what was going on, and appreciated hearing her perspective. And as a side note, I had already begun reading some of Thomas Sowell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell), and couldn't remember the other writers that she often mentions. I was happy to hear their names in the video you shared; Shelby Steele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Steele), and Walter Williams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Williams).)

They each speak to the data and the issues coming from their unique perspectives.

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[Matthew]

Ahh the magic words: Thomas Sowell

Thomas Sowell

A war on police officers is a very real circumstance
www.mercurynews.com



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...
There is a ton of blame, more than enough to go around to the wide range of people and institutions that have contributed to these disasters. In addition to the murderers who have killed people they don’t even know, there are those who created the atmosphere of blind hatred in which such killers flourish.

Chief among those who generate this poisonous atmosphere are career race hustlers like Al Sharpton and racist institutions like the “Black Lives Matter” movement. All such demagogues need is a situation where there has been a confrontation where someone was white and someone else was black. The facts don’t matter to them.
...
Link to full article here (https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/15/thomas-sowell-a-war-on-police-officers-is-a-very-real-circumstance/#:~:text=It%20threatens%20democracy%2C%20as%20it,the%20Hoover%20Institution%2C%20Stanford%20Universi ty.)

[edina]

Ahh the magic words: Thomas Sowell

Thomas Sowell

A war on police officers is a very real circumstance
www.mercurynews.com


Hi YoYoYo, what do you mean by the above statement, "Ahh the magic words: Thomas Sowell"

I can't tell if your comment is genuine or if you were being sarcastic?

Thomas Sowell is an interesting human being. He has just published his 90th book. It's about school choice.
His life story is very interesting and he's a brilliant, widely respected economist.

In the video conversation I shared above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1363341&viewfull=1#post1363341) that's between Candace Owens and Marc Lamont Hill, they mention Killer Mike. In case people don't know who Killer Mike is, he's the man that was with the Atlanta mayor the first night of riots in Atlanta. His speech went viral at the time.

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Candace and Marc mentioned that they all read the same authors. Even though they have different political positions. I think all three of them differ. My husband just shared with me a video where evidently Killer Mike shares 15 writers he recommends that people read.

Linking in case anyone else would be interested in seeing it. It's quite long and you're going to get a wide range of points of view. It's from last Sept.

T.I., Killer Mike, Candace Owens, & More Talk: Black Agenda, Voting, & Donald Trump | REVOLT Summit (https://youtu.be/jyo_bFBfoOA)

Also in the conversation between Candace and Marc the Chicago riots from during the 60's came up. I had just been reading a snippet of a book the night before this interview came out that was written by a black journalist, Keith Richburg, about his 3 years in Africa, during the pivotal time in Africa of the Rwanda genocide, the Somalia famine and other key events during the nineties. It's called Out of America. (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465001882?tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1)

Keith describes his experience of living during the 60's riots and the ensuing outcome of those riots on his neighborhood. It independently corroborates what Candace described in the interview at 27:09 (https://youtu.be/HjDUUU-Z-aI?t=1629).

There's context and perspective to be had in all of this, of expanding out and listening to people, and of historical context.

([Out of America] | C-SPAN.org (https://www.c-span.org/video/?79419-1/out-america))
Transcript to the C-Span talk (http://booknotes.org/FullPage.aspx?SID=79419-1)

[edina]

Candace and Marc mentioned that they all read the same authors. Even though they have different political positions. I think all three of them differ. My husband just shared with me a video where evidently Killer Mike shares 15 writers he recommends that people read.


It wasn't 15 writers, it was 7 + the Preamble (https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_preamble.html) and the US Constitution (https://constitution.congress.gov/). And he said, listen.

1. Thomas Sowell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell)
2. Walter E Williams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Williams)
3. Antonio Moore (https://inequality.org/authors/antonio-moore/)
4. Yvette Carnell (https://www.breakingbrown.com/about/)
5. Economic Strategy of Elijah Muhammod (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sU-nqSRLJU)
6. Marcus Garvey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Garvey)
7. Political Strategy of Stokely Carmicheal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael)

I want to add from my own observation of this panel... get some real good business sense.
How to build and how things affect each other long term. This may be covered in the economics related books.

One of the women on the panel Tamika, I think is her name, (the organizer) said something that I have been thinking myself, earlier today.
Black people are not monolithic.

[Matthew]

I'm being quite genuine and there is no sarcasm.

Thomas Sowell described exactly what is currently happening,

People need to wake up and listen because he was very correct in an oddly specific way.

Its like they taken his words, and inverted them.

[Gwin Ru]

Police transcripts challenge mainstream media's take on Floyd's death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNczJR2ZI5Y&feature=emb_logo) 3:56

•Jul 15, 2020
https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJyX2N7Uz4uxfFxBOzEdgPz4bbIwETYjKpaYPgji=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/user/1americanews) One America News Network (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNbIDJNNgaRrXOD7VllIMRQ)

Police transcripts from George Floyd's arrest are raising concerns over the official cause of his death. One America's Kristian Rouz looks into the matter.

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Related:


... Or did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1361550&viewfull=1#post1361550)

[Gracy]

Well, the trend seems to be that neither FOX NEWS, or OANN, are mainstream media. They’re different...

They’re simply here as a public service to give the American people the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and that there is nothing to see in this story except for there now being a Commie hiding behind every tree, and another black dude that OD’d.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]


... Or did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1361550&viewfull=1#post1361550)

^^^ there is the reference work I bothered to post in full... way back.

[Gwin Ru]

Leaked bodycam footage shows entirety of George Floyd arrest – supporting cops’ AND protesters’ narratives (DISTURBING VIDEO) (https://www.rt.com/usa/497006-george-floyd-leaked-bodycam-footage/)

RT
3 Aug, 2020 22:18
Updated 10 hours ago
Get short URL (https://on.rt.com/anhq)


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FILE PHOTO: New footage shows the entirety of George Floyd’s arrest, previously shown only in short witness videos and police-approved bodycam clip, as well as this CCTV footage released by Rashad West, the owner of the Dragon Wok restaurant.


Police body-camera footage of George Floyd’s arrest in Minneapolis has been leaked, revealing Floyd was in significant distress – and possibly intoxicated – long before Officer Derek Chauvin knelt on his neck.

One of the videos, which reportedly came from the body camera of Minneapolis officer Thomas Lane, starts with the cops pulling Floyd over and ends with their efforts to push the increasingly panicked 46-year-old security guard into a squad car. The other (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/Police-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-moment-arrest-George-Floyd-time.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490) – much longer, extending over 18 minutes and allegedly taken from the body camera of Officer Alexander Kueng – starts inside the store where Floyd allegedly tried to pass a counterfeit bill and ends with police discussing the arrival of the ambulance as they restrain Floyd on the ground.

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While neither clip, originally obtained by the Daily Mail, includes scenes of graphic violence, they are nevertheless difficult to watch. Floyd repeatedly pleads for his life and begs for his mother, asking the cops if they plan to shoot him and insisting that he’s claustrophobic and can’t sit in the police car. The officers attempt to mollify him, promising to roll down the windows, in between asking him if he’s taken any drugs and accusing him of behaving erratically. The clip from Kueng’s bodycam provides an alternate camera angle on police restraining Floyd on the ground – the infamous “I can’t breathe” sequence that shocked the world when it initially surfaced on social media over two months ago.

It’s clear from both clips, however, that Floyd was in distress long before he ended up face-down on the asphalt. Repeatedly insisting he’s “not that kind of guy,” the stricken security guard protests “I can’t breathe” and “I don’t wanna die weird” as the officers attempt to stuff his handcuffed body into the squad car. Floyd even volunteers to lie on the ground instead, though at this point in the arrest the cops struggle to push, pull, and otherwise wrestle him into the vehicle.

Lawyers for the four officers charged with Floyd’s murder have for weeks argued the bodycam footage should be made public, insisting it provides necessary context for the decision to restrain Floyd on the ground using the controversial knee hold. While transcripts of the Memorial Day arrest made public last month already revealed Floyd had asked to “lay on the ground,” hearing the words in his own voice in between sobs coming from a grown man is viscerally unsettling.

According to that transcript, Floyd subsequently began beating his face against the squad car window, causing blood and foam to come from his mouth and renewing officers’ suspicions he was on drugs. Neither video shows this moment. An autopsy indicated Floyd died of cardiac arrest, adding that heart disease, fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use may have contributed to his untimely death. One of the cops on Kueng’s bodycam footage says he “believes” Floyd was high, noting they “found a weed pipe” and “there might be something else… PCP or something.”

While parts of the video seem to vindicate at least some of the police officers’ behavior, other parts provide ammunition for police abolition advocates. Floyd’s ex-girlfriend, a passenger in the car, tells the police he is mentally unstable (“he’s got a thing going on”) regarding police and has been shot before, suggesting his erratic behavior could be a panic attack triggered by cops sticking a gun in his face. Police abolitionists often argue cops are responsible for responding to mental health incidents they lack the training to handle and frequently do more harm than good.

Officer Lane, whose attorney has attempted to have the case against his client for aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter dismissed, can be heard asking if the cops should roll Floyd on his side, stating he is “worried” about “the excited delirium or whatever.” Chauvin can be heard reassuring his colleague that the ambulance is on its way and Floyd is “staying where we’ve got him.”

The original video of Floyd’s arrest, filmed by one of the horrified bystanders who witnessed Chauvin kneel on the security guard’s neck for eight minutes, inspired months of protests against police brutality and racism across the US and in dozens of other countries. The demonstrations have occasionally turned violent at the hands of police or protesters, even spiraling into looting and arson, though the majority have remained peaceful. Floyd’s death also catapulted the little-known police abolition movement to national prominence, with initiatives underway from New York to Minneapolis to defund or even disband police forces. Such initiatives have met with intense pushback from the Trump administration, which has vowed “never” to defund the police.

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[ExomatrixTV]

George Floyd Police Bodycam Footage LEAKED, Video Shows It Was NOT Murder, Cops WILL Be Acquitted
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The George Floyd police bodycam footage has been LEAKED and released to the public. The shocking footage reveals that there was NO INTENT to kill and that the arrest was a tragic accident. This footage will likely lead to an acquittal for all cops involved.

MR. OBVIOUS (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyznn3etx_6fSK7576JSrKg) (152K subscribers)

[kfm27917]

Floyd Bodycam Leak Highlights Press Collusion With Government
more at

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/floyd-bodycam-leak-highlights-press-collusion-with-government-/

[atman]

New 'Absolutely Shocking' Evidence Presented in the George Floyd Case
by Katie Pavlich | @KatiePavlich | Posted: Sep 02, 2020 3:00 PM (Townhall.com (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428))

Attorneys for former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin are requesting the dismissal of murder and manslaughter charges against him for the death of George Floyd. They're using the police training manual as justification.

According to the Minneapolis Police Department training manual, officers are shown how to subdue violent or resisting suspects by placing their knee on the neck.

https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/hv/images/2020/246/d1094c93-cd75-4df5-ac3b-a1522798d335.png

Analysts and attorneys at Court TV explain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w9GA1RBQ0o
"From coast-to-coast everyone, absolutely outraged, especially by that fact, the knee on the neck. Well, guess what folks, take a look at what you're looking at right here. That is from the police training manual," attorney and host Vinnie Politan said. "Where this all comes from is from a motion to dismiss. A motion to dismiss that was filed by Derek Chauvin's attorneys saying that the knee on the neck is part of his training as a Minneapolis police officer. And there we see it in the manual on the left and on the right is what we all have seen in the video of Officer Chauvin. So, is this a game-changer?"

"This one is absolutely shocking. I mean, this is what the whole story is about. This is what outraged millions and millions of people, this is what caused the protests. It was the knee on the neck...and now the defense is saying dismiss the charges because the knee on the neck is right there in the police training manual," he continued.

So why did Chauvin continue holding his knee on Floyd's neck after he became unresponsive?

"There comes a point where everyone is telling him, 'Look, he's not responding anymore.' ... I want our viewers to get familiar with a very important word here, it's called "excited delirium." ... That's what he's going to use to explain why when [Floyd] was no longer responsive, he continued with the knee on the neck because that, when you talk about excited delirium, it's about people who use drugs, which they're going to claim they saw him using, that's why they're talking about the tablet on the tongue, bizarre behavior. We saw that, but eventually, it gets to something that's called superhuman strength. Oftentimes people in that position, they show superhuman strength and that picture shows how you are supposed to restrain people when you are afraid for excited delirium," Attorney Michael Ayala added. "This is a game-changer...it's going to be tough to overcome this training instruction picture that shows exactly how [Chauvin] was doing it by the book."


Full article including the relevant picture from the training manual (which is in a format—png—that apparently cannot be embedded here): https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428

[atman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg8Hlv4XsAAhD5p?format=jpg&name=small

[kfm27917]

> Sorry to ruin your day, this sure ruined mine. It appears the world has gone insane.
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> all know you can hear/see/watch stupid, but you cannot fix stupid. Pity.
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> Also, President Biden and his VP met with the Floyd family on May 25th, the one year anniversary of his death.
> Nancy Pelosi in June of 2020, gave the Floyd family a folded American Flag that had flown over the Capitol on the day he died - as a fallen hero > Think about that one.
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[norman]

Investigative Journalist Maryam Henein (REUPLOAD) | The George Floyd Story You Don't Know
The Mel K Show - Jan 28

https://rumble.com/v27ctwm-mel-k-and-investigative-journalist-maryam-henein-reupload-the-george-floyd-.html


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https://www.mymoviesplus.com/the-real-timeline


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[Tintin]

Also here posted in the library some months ago (October2022) Candace Owen's,

The Greatest Lie Ever Sold (https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Greatest_Lie_Ever_Sold_George_Floyd_and_the_Rise_of_BLM_%28Candace_Owens%29_2022.mp4)

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Greatest_Lie_Ever_Sold_George_Floyd_and_the_Rise_of_BLM_%28Candace_Owens%29_2022.mp4

[Bill Ryan]

George Floyd's autopsy report, worth reading in full. First, here's Stew Peters:

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1661828863125495829
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The full report:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf

[Fellow Aspirant]

George Floyd's autopsy report, worth reading in full. First, here's Stew Peters:

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1661828863125495829
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The full report:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf


I see Mr. Peters is continuing his behaviour of stirring the pot with missinformation.

One of the first replies to Mr. Peters' post was in his Twitterfeed:

"It's weird that you only post that one page instead of the full report showing that the cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest caused by law enforcement subduing and restraining him with neck compression. May 25
Damin Toell
@damintoell
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May 25
The same doctor who wrote that autopsy testified at trial that the neck compression caused his heart and lungs to stop working and that heart disease and drug use were not primary causes."


Mr. Peters was called out for his selection of only one of the pages of a 20 page report (13 autopsy description and 7 for the toxicology report), exposing the huge fault in his post. Not only is it a clear attempt to stir up racial enmity, but it's just a plain lie. Dr. Baker, author of the report actually testified, under oath, the following (emboldened and enlarged text mine for easier comprehension)

Medical examiner doubles down on original autopsy finding, labels Floyd’s death a homicide
Apr 9, 2021 6:50 PM EDT

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/medical-examiner-doubles-down-on-original-autopsy-finding-labels-floyds-death-a-homicide

By —
Fred de Sam Lazaro

"Friday was a closely watched day in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former police officer charged with the murder of George Floyd. It featured key testimony about what led to Floyd's death from medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who performed the initial autopsy on Floyd's body and declared his death a homicide. Special correspondent Fred De Sam Lazaro has our report.

• Fred de Sam Lazaro:

A key and highly anticipated witness today was medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who performed the initial autopsy on George Floyd's body.

Baker determined Floyd died of cardiopulmonary arrest and declared his death a homicide, meaning simply a death caused by the actions of another person.

From the transcript:

• Dr. Andrew Baker:

That's really just fancy medical lingo for the heart and the lungs stopped.

• Jerry Blackwell:

The heart…

• Andrew Baker:

No pulse, no breathing. And, in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of that — those heart conditions.

• Fred de Sam Lazaro:

Prior to the trial, there had been some confusion about Baker's autopsy findings.
And, today, both the prosecution and defense tried to parse his report to make their case, arguing over the role controlled substances may have had in Floyd's death.


• Andrew Baker:

So, my opinion remains unchanged. It's what I put on the death certificate last June. That's cardiopulmonary arrest law complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.
That was my top line then. It would stay my top line now.

• Jerry Blackwell:

And so, if we look at the other contributing conditions, those other contributing conditions are not conditions that you consider direct causes; is that true?

• Andrew Baker:

They are not direct causes of Mr. Floyd's death. That is true. They are contributing causes.


• Fred de Sam Lazaro:
The prosecution began the day's testimony by calling Dr. Lindsey Thomas to the stand. She is a forensic pathologist who helped train Baker.


• Dr. Lindsey Thomas:
There's no evidence to suggest he would've died that night, except for the interactions with law enforcement.

• For the "PBS NewsHour," this is Fred de Sam Lazaro.

Fred de Sam Lazaro is director of the Under-Told Stories Project at the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota, a program that combines international journalism and teaching. He has served with the PBS NewsHour since 1985 and is a regular contributor and substitute anchor for PBS' Religion and Ethics Newsweekly.


The cause of Mr. Floyd's death is a settled matter.
So why has Mr. Peters chosen this moment in time to inflame racial hatred? What purpose or person does it serve?

I guess we'll see.

Brian

Brian

[Tintin]

The cause of Mr. Floyd's death is a settled matter.


This post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-death-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1361550&viewfull=1#post1361550) #446 may be a helpful reference as it (accurately) provides a near forensic analysis of the report, and may be helpful in drawing conclusions.

Whichever view one feels it necessary to take, it was all tragic, for all parties concerned.

And then of course, there's this:

The Greatest Lie Ever Sold by Candace Owens, which focuses on the fraudulent nature of the BLM movement (which has recently gone 'bankrupt' (?!!)) and some features in the footage which suggest some direct correlation with the general autopsy findings, not necessarily the conclusion. It reminds me a little of the Marilyn Monroe coroner's 'conclusion', which even today 60 years later still doesn't ring entirely true. Anyway, that's another story.

Well worth watching, and as is usually the case, if viewed objectively, the viewer draws their own reasonable conclusion. The documentary from 2022.

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Greatest_Lie_Ever_Sold_George_Floyd_and_the_Rise_of_BLM_%28Candace_Owens%29_2022.mp4

[arwen]

I have just finished watching this new documentary on the George Floyd death. Leaves one sick to the stomach.

To be clear - George Floyd's death was horrible and unnecessary. But it was not Derek Chauvin, rather it was the entire sick, corrupt legal, medical, political and justice "establishment" systems that made victims out of not only George Floyd, but countless innocent people. This is not an easy view, but it is a necessary view in my opinion.

In light of the fact that Derek Chauvin was recently stabbed by an inmate in prison (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/derek-chauvin-stabbed-in-prison-george-floyd/), this festering wound of injustice comes to light again, and will not settle, even though the damage has been done.

1 hour 42 minutes, highly recommended.


Alpha News is proud to present “The Fall of Minneapolis.” This documentary is provided free of charge due to generous donors. Please consider a 100% tax-deductible donation to support our work and help promote this film: https://alphanews.revv.co/movie

The film is based on Liz Collin’s Amazon bestseller, “They’re Lying: The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd,” which exposes the holes in the prevailing narrative surrounding George Floyd’s death, the trial of Derek Chauvin, and the fallout the city of Minneapolis has suffered ever since.

The documentary features more than a dozen interviews with the people directly involved, including exclusive interviews with former officers Derek Chauvin and Alexander Kueng who spoke to Liz Collin from prison. The families of Chauvin and Kueng also speak out publicly for the first time.

The film also features current and former Minneapolis police officers who tell their harrowing stories from the riots, recount the planned surrender of the Third Precinct, and explain why so many of them left the job.

The crowdfunded movie was produced by Alpha News journalist Liz Collin and directed by Dr. J.C. Chaix. Cinematography by Josh Feland.


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[gord]

This video discussion from Glenn Loury & John McWhorter about the death of George Floyd, and the recent documentary about it "The Fall of Minneapolis" posted just above by Arwen is quite good. For those short of time, the last 10-15 minutes sums it all up pretty well.

[34:41] John McWhorter: People are not going to listen to the facts. George Floyd is going to be seen as this crucial moment on the civil rights timeline when America woke up to certain realities because of the murder of this man. And nothing we say, nothing that documentary says, will change anyone's mind, but I invite people who watch us, to just look at that documentary, spend an hour and a half, pour yourself a cup of coffee, and find that what we thought in early 2020 about the quote-unquote murder of George Floyd has been a massive web of bull****, once again. Tragic.

The Truth about George Floyd's Death | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ffv4IUxkDU

[Bill Ryan]

On Zero Hedge (and may other news sites) today:


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-fires-15-agents-who-knelt-2020-george-floyd-protest

FBI Fires 15 Agents who knelt at 2020 George Floyd Protest

Amid an ongoing campaign to rid the FBI of woke politics and priorities, the bureau has fired roughly 15 agents who were caught on camera kneeling during a 2020 protest following the death of George Floyd under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer. In May of this year, the FBI reassigned the agents, but subsequently fired them, according to anonymous sources cited by the Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/fbi-george-floyd-kash-patel-8d18a1e6a5a36636cc2415fc492b3f52) and CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/26/politics/fbi-agents-fired-blm-george-floyd-protests). The kneeling agents were among a group of about 20 agents who were fired at the conclusion of a review by the FBI's general counsel office.

https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/kneeling.png?itok=rHni_Iij

When photographs were published that showed a large group of agents taking a knee as they pandered to protesters in Washington, controversy erupted both inside and outside the FBI. Beyond the political dynamic, some senior FBI officials felt that the agents put themselves and peers at a tactical disadvantage. Here's how retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano summed up (https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/fbi-agents-association-rewarded-agents-who-took-a-knee-in-front-of-blm/) the ugly spectacle:
[There are] two possible, equally repugnant purposes behind the kneelers’ actions. The symbolic genuflection in the face of protesters (and the movement’s rioters who destroyed businesses and government buildings and claimed lives) was either an expression of unity with BLM, or these armed agents were blatant cowards and spinelessly acquiesced to the demands of a threatening mob. Whichever the reason, it is fully nauseating to career agents.
During the Biden administration and under then-Director Christopher Wray, the incident was reviewed with a conclusion that no policies had been violated. This year, the bureau decided to give it a second look. As a result, the agents were first reassigned to jobs that were perceived as demotions, but have now been jettisoned altogether.

In August, two senior FBI officials were fired: Brian Driscoll, who served as acting director before Kash Patel's confirmation, and Steve Jensen, who was acting director of the Washington Field Office (WFO). Both have sued, claiming they were victimized by a "campaign of retribution (https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/lawsuit-three-former-fbi-leaders-say-they-were-fired-insufficient-loyalty-2025-09-10/)" targeting agents insufficiently loyal to President Trump. There may be many more terminations to come. The DOJ has said it is scrutinizing the actions of more than 1,500 agents (https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/26/politics/fbi-agents-fired-blm-george-floyd-protests) involved in investigations of questionable merit, such as the prosecutions of members of Trump's first administration and the extraordinary effort mounted against participants in the January 6 riots.

https://x.com/jackunheard/status/1971738660837228734
1971738660837228734
This week, it was revealed that the FBI deployed a stunning 274 agents (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/leaked-memo-reveals-fbi-deployed-stunning-274-agents-j6-causing-internal-revolt) to the U.S. Capitol on Jan 6. The news was broken by Just The News, which obtained an after-action report that included rank-and-file agents' sharp criticism of the bureau in general and the Washington Field Office in particular. As one agent wrote (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/leaked-memo-reveals-fbi-deployed-stunning-274-agents-j6-causing-internal-revolt), "WFO is a hopelessly broken office that's more concerned about wearing masks and recruiting preferred racial/sexual groups than catching actual bad guys."

The FBI Agents Association condemned the dismissals and criticized Patel's job performance. "Rather than providing these agents with fair treatment and due process, Patel chose to again violate the law by ignoring these agents’ constitutional and legal rights instead of following the requisite process," the group said (https://apnews.com/article/fbi-george-floyd-kash-patel-8d18a1e6a5a36636cc2415fc492b3f52) in a statement. Others, however, are quite pleased:

https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1971751242180501813
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https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1971743063753326811
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