The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[Bill Ryan]

To my astonishment, I searched for George Floyd on the forum, and his name has not yet been posted. It needs to be. Please do share your thoughts, feelings, and logic (if there's any to be found!) here.

:flower:

[Baby Steps]

The absence of strong moves to prevent these atrocities over such a long time period is beginning to look like policy

Who benefits? Race hatred, destabilisation and violence serve an authoritarian surveillance police state agenda.

I cannot understand why people put up with this - horrifying.

[Kryztian]

Perhaps it's best to start with a conventional mainstream account of what happened.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/everything-we-know-about-the-death-of-george-floyd/

(The above URL has the some of the original video on it, with Floyd stating he can't breathe. I wasn't watching it, just listening to it, and it is quite hard to digest.)

Here’s everything we know about the death of George Floyd

It was a routine police call for a run-of-the-mill crime — someone passing a bogus $20 bill at a deli.

https://i.imgur.com/TK7kCMO.jpg

But the ensuing death of unarmed black man George Floyd while in the custody of Minneapolis cops, and the resulting riots, have once again forced a divided nation into a bitter self-reckoning.

The cops involved were axed and President Trump himself has pledged an expedient investigation by federal law enforcement — but that has done little to quell searing outrage that’s lit up social media, left buildings at ground zero in Minneapolis torched and necessitated the Minnesota National Guard.

It all started when restaurant bouncer and aspiring commercial driver Floyd, 46, tried to buy groceries.

Floyd — a Houston native who had previous scrapes with the law and moved to the Twin Cities to start fresh about six years ago — went to the Cup Foods on Chicago Avenue South around 8 p.m. for the food run.

That’s around the time cops got a call from a store clerk that there was a “forgery in progress” — someone was trying to pay for groceries with a counterfeit $20 bill, a non-violent offense.

Surveillance footage from a nearby restaurant shows police arriving shortly after 8 p.m. and approaching a black minivan where Floyd is sitting with two other people.

Two officers walk up to the vehicle, its passenger door already open, and one shines a flashlight inside.

The second officer approaches Floyd and tells him to get out of the vehicle, prompting a brief struggle before Floyd exits the vehicle. Meanwhile, the passenger and a woman sitting in the back seat are seen getting out of the minivan.

Moments later, Floyd is seen, hands cuffed behind his back, being led to the side of a building by the two cops.

Floyd appears to be speaking to the officers but does not appear to resist.

A second police vehicle arrives as Floyd is escorted across the street to a waiting patrol car.

One surveillance video from across the street shows him stumbling and falling as the two officers lead him to the waiting squad car, according to footage obtained by KMSP-TV.

Bodycam video taken by a responding Minneapolis Park Police officer shows two other officers interviewing witnesses near the scene.

The video is heavily redacted and largely muted, but it appears the two individuals being questioned were the man and the woman who were in the van with Floyd.

What happens next is still uncertain — but the next time Floyd is seen on video is a viral clip shot by bystander Darnella Frazier, which shows Floyd already pinned down by Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, a white cop seen pressing his knee into the back of Floyd’s neck while he lies face-down in handcuffs.

https://i.imgur.com/Wv3tPNt.jpg

Chauvin had been the subject of 10 prior conduct complaints over his 19 years on the force but had never faced disciplinary action.

In the span of nearly four minutes, Floyd can be heard telling police at least a dozen times that he can’t breathe and asking Chauvin to take his knee off his neck — as bystanders, including the grocery clerk who initially called 911, plead with the officers to let Floyd get up.

“Please, I can’t breathe,” he said.

“Get up, get in the car,” one of the cops is heard saying while Floyd remains pinned down by Chauvin.

“I will, I can’t move,” Floyd responds.

He then stops moving altogether.

Police called EMTs around 8:30 p.m. and they arrived in six minutes to find an unconscious and unresponsive Floyd, according to Hennepin County Healthcare EMS Chief Marty Scheerer.

Paramedics and police eventually flipped Floyd over while he was still cuffed, placed him on a gurney and into an ambulance, where a responder released his hands.

Their decision to “load and go,” rather than triage Floyd on the spot, was likely based on their race against time, Scheerer said, adding that responders were likely unaware of how severe the situation had become.

Despite medical officials reportedly spending an hour trying to revive Floyd, he was pronounced dead at a local hospital at 9:25 p.m.

Police initially claimed that he “suffered a medical episode while struggling with officers,” but Frazier’s video soon put the lie to that claim.

“They killed him right in front of Cup Foods over south on 38th and Chicago,” the 17-year-old later said on Facebook. “No type of sympathy.”

The following day, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, visibly enraged by footage of the incident, announced at a press conference with Police Chief Maderia Arradondo that all four officers involved had been fired.

“Four responding MPD officers involved in the death of George Floyd have been terminated,” Frey said on Twitter. “This is the right call.”

In a separate tweet Tuesday, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz called the incident “sickening.”

“The lack of humanity in this disturbing video is sickening,” Walz wrote. “We will get answers and seek justice.”

Frey lashed out again Wednesday, calling on Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman to arrest Chauvin, something a spokesman said Freeman’s office is “discussing.”

Meanwhile, the FBI announced that it would investigate the incident in a joint probe with state authorities. And Trump on Wednesday pledged that the feds would conduct an “expedited” investigation.

“At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation,” he tweeted.

On Thursday, Frey followed up by arguing that Floyd “would be alive today if he were white.”

Angry protesters nonetheless took to the streets of Minneapolis, targeting local stores and a police precinct in the city.

Outrage over the case spilled over into the sports world, with NBA stars LeBron James and Steph Curry taking to social media to express anger over Floyd’s death.

James posted side-by-side images on Instagram of Chauvin pinning Floyd and former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem before a San Francisco 49ers game — his high-profile protest of police brutality against black Americans.

“This…. Is Why,” the post said in explaining Kap’s protest.

Former NBA star Stephen Jackson, a friend of Lloyd’s thanks to their striking physical similarities, said he was devastated by his death.

“I jumped up, screamed, scared my daughter — almost broke my hand punching stuff because I was so mad,” the 42-year-old former Net told NBC’s “Today.” “It just destroyed me, and I haven’t been the same since I seen it.”

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo also chimed in during his daily coronavirus press conference Thursday, calling Floyd’s death “frightening.”

“If I was a prosecutor, I would look at that case from the first moment,” said Cuomo, a former state attorney general and Manhattan prosecutor. “There is a criminal case there.”

Floyd’s brother, Philonise Floyd, provided more personal commentary on the case on CNN Thursday when asked about the continuing protests.

“I want everybody to be peaceful right now, but people are torn and hurt because they’re tired of seeing black men die, constantly, over and over again,” he said.

“And I understand, and I see why a lot of people doing a lot of different things around the world. I don’t want them to lash out like this,” he added. “But I can’t stop people right now, because they have pain. They have the same pain I feel.”

“I want everything to be peaceful, but I can’t make everybody be peaceful.”

[Gwin Ru]

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.vl0.html):

There is a LOT wrong with the "murder video" (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+kill+black+man&qft=+filterui%3avideoage-lt10080+filterui%3aduration-medium&view=detail&mid=0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3Dpolice%2Bkill%2Bblack%2Bman%26qft%3D%2Bfilterui%3Avideoage-lt10080%2Bfilterui%3Aduration-medium%26FORM%3DVRFLTR) that proves these guys really did act this out and there was no killing

The videos are hard to keep linked and are declining in quality as they repeatedly get deleted by Youtube.
1. You can tell when the ambulance arrives and the officer gets off the victim there was no pressure being applied.

2. When the ambulance arrives, rather than tend the victim, (the official reports state the ambulance was warned he needed medical attention and was unresponsive,) they did not tend to him immediately on the ground, instead they loaded him onto the gurney without checking a damn thing, pushed him into the ambulance and drove off. There's a HUGE problem with that.

Standard EMT procedure in this case is FIRST to take his pulse and administer CPR if needed RIGHT WHERE HE IS FOUND LAYING especially when (according to the story line) they were notified he was "unresponsive" and needed an ambulance. EMT's do not load people onto the stretcher first, they first get the person stable if possible and then load them. No one at any point, no officer and no EMT ever checked the guy's pulse. That there alone proves it was a crisis act, done by people who were not professionals knowledgeable enough to even fake it good.

3. Since no one checked the guy's pulse, how did the cops know he was not going to wake up in the ambulance and raise hell? I can't begin to describe what a screw up that was, and to top it all off, in ALL CASES, conscious or not, the cops pick people up up and throw them in the back seat. They would not have called an ambulance at all, having never checked his pulse. He'd have been loaded like a side of beef and taken to the station.

4. The appalling "I am so proud" show by the "officer" at the end was obviously done for the sole purpose of angering the public.

So here we have a story where the neighbors never knew he was a cop, where the victim was never checked at all, just loaded onto a stretcher, when he could have woken up and caused a problem. The police will NEVER DO THAT, THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT EVER, FAKE COPS, FAKE EMT'S FAKE STORY.

5. AND THE PUNCH LINE: THEY WERE BOUNCERS AT THE SAME CLUB AND CLEARLY KNEW EACH OTHER. "HEY GEORGE: DO YOU WANT TO DO A HIGH PAYING GIG?" "SURE DEREK, I'M A LITTLE LOW ON CASH SINCE CORONA CLOSED THE CLUB, I'M GAME!
This story is another box of fruit loops, and now some in Minnesota's government are calling to declare "racism" a public health emergency like COVID. TOO OBVIOUS.

WHERE WERE ALL THE OTHER COP CARS? IN REAL SCENARIOS THEY MOB A SCENE LIKE THIS, FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!



http://www.jimstone.is/pages/storygoesboom.jpg

[Savannah]

Removing my post it seems I didn't follow the "rules" of the thread. So sorry

[Sarah Rainsong]

I spent some time talking to dd20 about this last night. It's all over her TikTok and social media. Her age group is pretty hot about it. (Not saying others aren't, but she's particularly aware of her peers, and I share this to give perspective of her generation, which is often not represented on forums like this. This kind of platform is a bit out-dated for them.)

One thing about social media and the increasing use of phone cameras and sharing things instantly is that it really makes stuff like this very visible. In the US, camera phones increasingly expose racism (https://news.yahoo.com/us-camera-phones-increasingly-expose-racism-015301880.html) And many young adults are saying "We should be past this already."

And they have a right to be to be angry. Everyone does. Here's a news report with several clips of what happened: ZWzkgKPZWcw

She showed me some of the many videos of the protests being circulated on TikTok. (I can't link them...they were on her phone.) But I was struck with the huge number of people--we're talking hundreds to thousands!--and the unusual diversity of the crowds. There's a lot of anger in her generation building up around this.

Many of them refuse to condemn the rioters. While many have the initial reaction that looting and burning buildings should not be tolerated, they're asking, "If nothing else has worked, then what are they left with? what else are they supposed to do to get this to stop?"

Then you have police firing tear gas into crowds that were doing nothing but standing and shouting...I'm talking about a good 50 yards away from the police line. And the officers involved haven't even been arrested.

This entire situation has been, and is continuing to be, documented via social media apps and phone cameras. It's being updated and shared quicker than news can keep up. More so than any other event of this nature. And this is particularly impactful for the young adults that live via social media, not the network news.

And this makes it extremely hard to control the narrative. Those that want to control that information can't stay ahead of thousands of young adults that are constantly creating and sharing new information. The more they try, the more they "overplay their hand," as Bill as has said.

On another side, I wonder how much unrest with regards to the economic impacts of the lock-downs have played into this. People are struggling to get food, and here this poor guy gets murdered for trying to get food. The disparities against lower income and the struggling working class have been revealed, and that alone has made many people angry. They're ready to lash out. And then this happens.

So you have a young, energetic generation that has not been around long enough to become jaded, coupled with state-of-the-art, real-time updates that is impossible to control. And you have older generations who recognize that they have been intentionally repressed and oppressed, and where many are now at a point where they have nothing left to lose.

Interesting things happening.

[Bill Ryan]

An exchange between some of the mods just now.

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Bill
Sarah, great post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358388&viewfull=1#post1358388) on the George Floyd thread. Kudos to dd20. (If I was a Minneapolis black, I might be rioting too. I really might.)
Sometimes, anger is justified, just like one can [sometimes] justify war. There's actually quite a lot of overlap (rioting = war), but that's really taboo to talk about.

Gracy May
I watched that video yesterday, and was horrified.
That looked like cold blooded murder to me.

Bill
It was. Take off the uniforms, and that cop (and his bystanding colleagues) would all be behind bars by now.
That's the way to quell the riots. Not with rubber bullets, but by immediately bringing the offenders to court. Like, yesterday.

Gracy May
Yep, his protective buddies are all accessories.
Yes!
Makes my blood boil just thinking about it again.

Sarah Rainsong
Absolutely! ANY other person would automatically be in jail. These guys should be in jail right now, and there is no reason for them not to be.
Makes my blood boil too.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Mel Fabrigaz posted this on Facebook... *shrugs*

https://www.facebook.com/1284108081/posts/10217992662389844/

Viking

[Sarah Rainsong]

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.vl0.html):

There is a LOT wrong with the "murder video" (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+kill+black+man&qft=+filterui%3avideoage-lt10080+filterui%3aduration-medium&view=detail&mid=0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3Dpolice%2Bkill%2Bblack%2Bman%26qft%3D%2Bfilterui%3Avideoage-lt10080%2Bfilterui%3Aduration-medium%26FORM%3DVRFLTR) that proves these guys really did act this out and there was no killing

The videos are hard to keep linked and are declining in quality as they repeatedly get deleted by Youtube. YouTube is going out of style very fast, and quickly deleted videos is a testament to the censorship of YouTube/Google, not whether or not this is a false flag.
1. You can tell when the ambulance arrives and the officer gets off the victim there was no pressure being applied. You can tell from the videos that all of that officer's weight was on Floyd, well before the ambulance gets there.
2. When the ambulance arrives, rather than tend the victim, (the official reports state the ambulance was warned he needed medical attention and was unresponsive,) they did not tend to him immediately on the ground, instead they loaded him onto the gurney without checking a damn thing, pushed him into the ambulance and drove off. There's a HUGE problem with that.

Standard EMT procedure in this case is FIRST to take his pulse and administer CPR if needed RIGHT WHERE HE IS FOUND LAYING especially when (according to the story line) they were notified he was "unresponsive" and needed an ambulance. EMT's do not load people onto the stretcher first, they first get the person stable if possible and then load them. No one at any point, no officer and no EMT ever checked the guy's pulse. That there alone proves it was a crisis act, done by people who were not professionals knowledgeable enough to even fake it good. What that proves is that there is a huge problem. This

3. Since no one checked the guy's pulse, how did the cops know he was not going to wake up in the ambulance and raise hell? I can't begin to describe what a screw up that was, and to top it all off, in ALL CASES, conscious or not, the cops pick people up up and throw them in the back seat. They would not have called an ambulance at all, having never checked his pulse. He'd have been loaded like a side of beef and taken to the station. Except, it's not in ALL CASES. There are many instances of when cops call ambulances for suspects. And they left him handcuffed, there wasn't a concern about his waking up in the ambulance. Really, I think this is stretching.

4. The appalling "I am so proud" show by the "officer" at the end was obviously done for the sole purpose of angering the public. This is a man who has gotten away with a lot of crap. He's on a power trip.

So here we have a story where the neighbors never knew he was a cop, where the victim was never checked at all, just loaded onto a stretcher, when he could have woken up and caused a problem. The police will NEVER DO THAT, THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT EVER, FAKE COPS, FAKE EMT'S FAKE STORY.

5. AND THE PUNCH LINE: THEY WERE BOUNCERS AT THE SAME CLUB AND CLEARLY KNEW EACH OTHER. "HEY GEORGE: DO YOU WANT TO DO A HIGH PAYING GIG?" "SURE DEREK, I'M A LITTLE LOW ON CASH SINCE CORONA CLOSED THE CLUB, I'M GAME! Or how about a bit of animosity between previous co-workers? Just as likely.
This story is another box of fruit loops, and now some in Minnesota's government are calling to declare "racism" a public health emergency like COVID. TOO OBVIOUS. Why? Why another public health emergency? They can't even control the narrative on the one they've already got!

WHERE WERE ALL THE OTHER COP CARS? IN REAL SCENARIOS THEY MOB A SCENE LIKE THIS, FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE! They didn't need other cops. They would only have more cops if they called for back-up. He was not resisting. They didn't need help. And at least two of the cops had already been in trouble before. It's highly possible they didn't want interference.


This is real. This kinda crap happens all too often. There are way too many other incidents of very similar scenarios happening to throw this out as fake. The reasons given for it being a false flag really seem to be grasping at straws to me. Not everything that creates unrest is a false flag. Sometimes, it's legitimately upset people.

And I'm one of them.

[Bill Ryan]

Mel Fabregas posted this on Facebook... *shrugs*

https://www.facebook.com/1284108081/posts/10217992662389844/

VikingMel Fabregas is a Flat Earther. "Question Everything" has its reasonable limits.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Mel Fabrigaz posted this on Facebook... *shrugs*

https://www.facebook.com/1284108081/posts/10217992662389844/

Viking

Quote from the above link, for those don't have facebook:

Since when are EMTs armed or dressed like police? On the left, these are the two individuals who came out of the ambulance. Did not perform CPR. Did not administer oxygen. They just took Floyd and left. And on the right...a lot of similarities between the two. Question everything.

Because the EMTs were through the fire department. Those are fire department uniforms.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Think - agent provocateur

Just some thoughts. . Lots of possibilities here.

Was this another Jesse Smollett case, gone wrong?

Let's assume this was a set up (as suggested in some of the posts above) The cop and George knew each other and this was a setup to start a race riot in USA. (Wouldn't be the first time folks)

In the original setup, George was supposed to be taken to jail. But the cop decides he can't trust George, or maybe really doesn't like him, or perhaps George doesn't know the whole plan and is a patsy - anyhow, the copy kills George. For me it's impossible to watch that video and not see that the cop's intent is to kill. He knows people are watching and recording - he doesn't care. He doesn't look angry. He probably isn't. Just a guy doing his job. Since he knows he's being recorded, he probably knows whoever hired him for the job will protect him.

Mission accomplished. Race riots in full swing, one more reason to shut down our country since the Covid-19 hoax of shut down is wearing thin.

According to Wikipedia:
An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act, so as to ruin the reputation or entice legal action against the target or a group they belong to. An agent provocateur may be a member of a law enforcement agency acting out of their own sense of duty or under orders, or other entity. They may target any group, such as a peaceful protest or demonstration, a union, a political party or a company.

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.

A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent.

Historically, labor spies, hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, or subvert union activities, have used agent provocateur tactics.

Agent provocateur activities raise ethical and legal issues. In common law jurisdictions, the legal concept of entrapment may apply if the main impetus for the crime was the provocateur.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

I'd intended this thread to offer an opportunity to focus on


The political domino effects of this incident
The ethics (and maybe history) of rioting
The issues of the racial divide in the US, and what may be next (race war, says Alex Jones in today's live broadcast, on right now)
The corruption (or lack of action) in law enforcement, and even
The extent to which the President should get involved.

There's an opportunity here for some really interesting, thoughtful, and in-depth conversations. Please show Avalon at its best. THX.

:flower:

[Patient]

I can't find the right words to reflect my feelings and opinions about how wrong it is. It is within the mind's of the police in the USA to act this way. I am sure that there are similar issues in other countries.

Perhaps the root of the problem is that police are not paid enough and/or trained in the correct manner.

Let's be honest here - every time they go to work - IT"S A JOB - they are putting their life on the line for a job. Even in the simplest of scenarios.

Have you ever had to stand near a coned off area of a busy street where the only issue is traffic cones to detour traffic? One second where a driver is not paying attention and you could be killed.

Why are police not paid more or trained better or receive different training than they do? ( I am not educated in regards to their training.)

It seems to me that many of the problems that exist could be fixed with a different approach and different methods. But perhaps it is not part of the overall plan.

I feel that TPTB have been manipulating things throughout this pandemic to eventually evolve the situation to countries imploding to internal riots.


I think that we need more of the leaders of the countries to stand together against those who rule above them. One country alone trying to change the structure of the world sticks it's neck out.

We do need the world to come together similar to a one world government - just not the one that is currently trying to take our rights away.

[Bluegreen]

The Illuminati and their Controlled Media Machine has been trying to start a race war since civil rights became legislation, and has always failed. In fact, the opposite has happened. There are more today who never even think about racism than ever before. Young people would be shocked at the attitudes prevalent in the 50's and 60's. We have come a long, long way, and do not need setbacks.

We are in different waters now, and any publicity given to this incident, including this thread, is only fanning the flames of the programmed unfortunates, the ones looting liquor stores. This is exactly what the Bastards In Power want.

[Luke Holiday]

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.vl0.html):

There is a LOT wrong with the "murder video" (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+kill+black+man&qft=+filterui%3avideoage-lt10080+filterui%3aduration-medium&view=detail&mid=0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3Dpolice%2Bkill%2Bblack%2Bman%26qft%3D%2Bfilterui%3Avideoage-lt10080%2Bfilterui%3Aduration-medium%26FORM%3DVRFLTR) that proves these guys really did act this out and there was no killing

The videos are hard to keep linked and are declining in quality as they repeatedly get deleted by Youtube.
1. You can tell when the ambulance arrives and the officer gets off the victim there was no pressure being applied.

2. When the ambulance arrives, rather than tend the victim, (the official reports state the ambulance was warned he needed medical attention and was unresponsive,) they did not tend to him immediately on the ground, instead they loaded him onto the gurney without checking a damn thing, pushed him into the ambulance and drove off. There's a HUGE problem with that.

Standard EMT procedure in this case is FIRST to take his pulse and administer CPR if needed RIGHT WHERE HE IS FOUND LAYING especially when (according to the story line) they were notified he was "unresponsive" and needed an ambulance. EMT's do not load people onto the stretcher first, they first get the person stable if possible and then load them. No one at any point, no officer and no EMT ever checked the guy's pulse. That there alone proves it was a crisis act, done by people who were not professionals knowledgeable enough to even fake it good.

3. Since no one checked the guy's pulse, how did the cops know he was not going to wake up in the ambulance and raise hell? I can't begin to describe what a screw up that was, and to top it all off, in ALL CASES, conscious or not, the cops pick people up up and throw them in the back seat. They would not have called an ambulance at all, having never checked his pulse. He'd have been loaded like a side of beef and taken to the station.

4. The appalling "I am so proud" show by the "officer" at the end was obviously done for the sole purpose of angering the public.

So here we have a story where the neighbors never knew he was a cop, where the victim was never checked at all, just loaded onto a stretcher, when he could have woken up and caused a problem. The police will NEVER DO THAT, THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT EVER, FAKE COPS, FAKE EMT'S FAKE STORY.

5. AND THE PUNCH LINE: THEY WERE BOUNCERS AT THE SAME CLUB AND CLEARLY KNEW EACH OTHER. "HEY GEORGE: DO YOU WANT TO DO A HIGH PAYING GIG?" "SURE DEREK, I'M A LITTLE LOW ON CASH SINCE CORONA CLOSED THE CLUB, I'M GAME!
This story is another box of fruit loops, and now some in Minnesota's government are calling to declare "racism" a public health emergency like COVID. TOO OBVIOUS.

WHERE WERE ALL THE OTHER COP CARS? IN REAL SCENARIOS THEY MOB A SCENE LIKE THIS, FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!



http://www.jimstone.is/pages/storygoesboom.jpg


Stellar work here... just to add some things I am also suspicious of:

1. Mr Floyd's head shot being used for the media appears adobe photoshopped ( look at the outline of the body against the background)

2. The timing by MSM to re-start racial tensions is perfect from an agenda promoting perspective: Ie CV lockdowns ending, along with several statistics/stories/prominent individuals speaking out in revelation of the obvious CV 19 hoax.

3. Recent Jimmy Fallon public apology for black face incident that occurred 20 years ago.

4. Mainstream Media recent focus on CV 19 racial disparity stories.

5. Certainly fits into global elitists plan to enhance social unrest, racial tension, divide and conquer.

6. Knee to the back of neck -is this standard procedure when subdueing a suspect and It would be lfor one suffocate from a knee to the back/side of head while lying prone with head turned[/COLOR].

(ADDENDEUM: I was wrong here and was reminded by Christian of Cardiac Sinus Syncope - Please note (hopefully disregard) my regretful pushing of the this issue in future posts. (Apologies were rendered in private)

Blessings Luke

[Billy]

CNN crew arrested while covering the riots in Minneapolis. No reason given by police for the arrests.

TIClA57jWmQ

[Luke Holiday]

CNN crew arrested while covering the riots in Minneapolis. No reason given by police for the arrests.

TIClA57jWmQ

… Just a point of order... Here you have a white officer arresting a black reporter which I am sure is just a coincidence

[bobme]

TOTALLY disturbing all right. This happens to both whites and black people more and more than is publicised.

The police that were watching this animal killing this man, are Factually, assesery to murder. they had a hand in it.

Now I have a Question. What if George Floyd Had a police officer pinned to the groud in such that way?

I think the other police would have filled him full of bullets. And called it attemted murder of an officer on duty.

Two tier justice system Perhaps?

[Gracy]

CNN crew arrested while covering the riots in Minneapolis. No reason given by police for the arrests.

TIClA57jWmQ

Just when you think they would be putting their best foot forward, they instead choose to continue earning the hate and disrespect.

The tragic thing is that this applies to good cops out there as well. Ultimately, their job can not be done through force, citizen cooperation is required. That’s what the numbers say.

[AutumnW]

The Illuminati and their Controlled Media Machine has been trying to start a race war since civil rights became legislation, and has always failed. In fact, the opposite has happened. There are more today who never even think about racism than ever before. Young people would be shocked at the attitudes prevalent in the 50's and 60's. We have come a long, long way, and do not need setbacks.

We are in different waters now, and any publicity given to this incident, including this thread, is only fanning the flames of the programmed unfortunates, the ones looting liquor stores. This is exactly what the Bastards In Power want.

You have come a long way in terms of insanity. On the one hand you have both black and white middle and upper middle class kids in universities absorbed with the inanities of 'micro-aggressions,' a truly bizarre fixation which demonizes even the most innocent of interracial interaction

On the other hand, the U.S. incarcerates more poor people per capita than anywhere in the U.S. largely owing to their horrendous three strikes law. The majority of incarcerations are black people.

If you are of a certain class, all of these injustices will be off your radar. Your friends will be of the same class and your lives will not intersect with those of lower classes as the economy becomes more and more bifurcated into the haves and have nots.

The elite claim violence isn't the answer, when historically the wealthy, usually white population has achieved everything it has, in terms of dominance, at the point of a gun.

I am sickened and disgusted by this and hope that something substantial will come of it. Will say a prayer for all the oppressed people of the world who suffer in ways most of us can't even imagine. :flower::(

The cops were acting in a way that seamlessly blends with the overall systemic brutality of the American system, if you are poor, and particularly if you are black and poor.

[Michelle]

I’m not jumping on the conspiracy theory train here. I use to be a EMT. Looking at the footage leaves me quite shocked. I’ve been to scenes exactly like this.

Protocol would have me jump out with my bag (intubation, masks, oxygen, IV’s, saline bags etc...) also my partner would jump out with oxygen and a defibrillator and EKG.
You immediately determine pulse and breathing. If neither is present you have very little time. This is a 2 person job minimum. I immediately have to do CPR. Usually someone from the fire department resumes CPR while I get everything else ready ( IV, Intubation...) my partner in the meantime already has a bag valve mask on and is doing positive pressure ventilation. There’s a lot more I would do at the scene that I’m leaving out!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that 1 person in the back of an ambulance isn’t able to do all this as your partner needs to drive. As a matter of fact, if you just throw a person in the back like this not only would you loose your job, you’d be sued to high heaven for it.

I can see why people would think this portion of the video is fake. If your not breathing EVERY second counts. You just don’t do this. I seriously question why those medics did this. I would look into them as well.

Michelle

[AutumnW]

Minneapolis police officer salary and benefits--for those who figure that money is the issue.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/police-officer-salary/minneapolis-mn

Benefits upon retirement -- 70.9% of their base pay. Pay starts at 52,000.00 and rises to 90,000.00

So, this has nothing to do with the stress of a lack of income. And a docile population due to all the Covid measures, would offset increased domestic violence calls, so am not buying the stress argument here. Not to say it isn't a stressful job, but when you have locked up nearly all of your criminals in the country, PLUS a lot of innocent collateral catch, it's easier than it used to be.

[Billy]

The Policeman responsible for the death of George Floyd, charged with 3rd degree murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-death-sacked-us-police-officer-arrested-after-death-of-black-man-in-custody-11997036

A US police officer has been charged with the murder of George Floyd following widespread protests over his death.

George Floyd died in Minneapolis after Derek Chauvin was filmed kneeling on his neck for at least eight minutes during his arrest for allegedly using a fake $20 note in a shop.

Chauvin, who was sacked following Mr Floyd's death, has now been charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter, prosecutors said.

[AutumnW]

I’m not jumping on the conspiracy theory train here. I use to be a EMT. Looking at the footage leaves me quite shocked. I’ve been to scenes exactly like this.

Protocol would have me jump out with my bag (intubation, masks, oxygen, IV’s, saline bags etc...) also my partner would jump out with oxygen and a defibrillator and EKG.
You immediately determine pulse and breathing. If neither is present you have very little time. This is a 2 person job minimum. I immediately have to do CPR. Usually someone from the fire department resumes CPR while I get everything else ready ( IV, Intubation...) my partner in the meantime already has a bag valve mask on and is doing positive pressure ventilation. There’s a lot more I would do at the scene that I’m leaving out!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that 1 person in the back of an ambulance isn’t able to do all this as your partner needs to drive. As a matter of fact, if you just throw a person in the back like this not only would you loose your job, you’d be sued to high heaven for it.

I can see why people would think this portion of the video is fake. If your not breathing EVERY second counts. You just don’t do this. I seriously question why those medics did this. I would look into them as well.

Michelle


Two systems of justice, which could extend to the EMT community on occasion, particularly if there was a misread of the situation?

[Bill Ryan]

In this Natural News article (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-29-george-floyd-was-deliberately-murdered-race-riots-chaos.html), Mike Adams suspects that George Floyd was deliberately murdered specifically to spark race riots. Here's his video:


https://brighteon.com/2e81d0b1-bf3a-428a-9cfa-209e058f9a9b

According to his suggestion, Floyd was not complicit. It seems to me that this is far more likely than Floyd being somehow knowingly involved.

That has to be just about theoretically possible (many things are!), but I have to say the notion that Floyd was part of some agreed plan actually feels quite offensive to me. It would take a great deal of good information for me to begin to believe that.

It's maybe rather more possible that the police officer, Derek Chauvin, was simply a psychopathic thug in uniform who was triggered to relish what he was doing. It sure looks like that.

[DeDukshyn]

(RE: all the "fake story!" hypothesis as presented by Jim Stone)



Why the **** would "they" go through all that work, the planning, the setup, the risk of being caught, paying people off to act in something they would have to know is exactly what the elite want (destruction of america), trying to find people that would go along with that plan, etc. etc. When you could just use a real life incident, save all that money, save the planning, the risk of getting caught or outed.

Police killed over 1000 people in the US in 2019, by best estimates, yet official police numbers only ever show what is classified as "justified" killing, and that number is usually ~300-500 per year. So if we use the rate of 500 unjustified killings per year, the majority involving blacks, (as per the stats) you could potentially have more than one real life incident per day to emphasize via the already corrupted media, and easily accomplish the same.

The 'Its a fake!' story has a hundred other holes in it as well ... not buying any of that crap that until I see the guy alive.

[AuCo]

I lived in Minneapolis for 20 year, still have business going back to the hoods regularly. My neighbors to the left, right and back have been black, the front has been gay ever since. I know the place where the riot is like the back of my hand.

My black neighbor who was blacker than black :), once whispered to me: Hugh! I am not black like those black out there - pointing to the direction where gun shots and siren could be heard every night - I am Puerto Rican.

My wife knows many, many police officers who don't feel safe patrolling certain black neighborhood at night. I bet they know a lot of things going on there than any of the clueless politician sitting on the city council, including the major himself.

My black tenant owns a shirt printing business. He once spoke to me: Hugh, I don't see Asians do that. Why my brothers do this to me? - he was talking about his own people started selling clothes in the same block after seeing his business picking up. When the riot started he printed a bunch of signs saying "Black owned" and put it in from of our shops so that rioters may spare our building.

What I am trying to say is the black people need to sort things among themselves, start taking care of "their own kind" and need to see that they are being lead by people who have no intention of looking out for them .

I myself see 3 separate groups in this riot: those that participate in the demonstration though routy are mostly peaceful and decent people; a lot are simply bad characters who take advantage of the situation to loot and rob others; and then there are elements of political opportunists who ransack and burn down businesses, a library, a school, a shelter complex for the homeless. This last group is most dangerous and it will backfire on them.

[justntime2learn]

@Timcast just released a video 3 hours ago and it's at 65,000 views.

George Floyd is discussed as well as the riot.

Also, a firefighter who put his entire life savings into a business he was just about to open lost everything to rioters. Unfortunately, the wrong people are being harmed.

Tim expects an escalation through the weekend.

XARtEsYtWuw

Destroying your own community and stripping your wealth and power ensures it will continue.

Mue58f1TnNw

The machine is well-oiled.

[ExomatrixTV]

Is This All Being Engineered To Create Chaos?
5ItB0DMe2Hs


Is This All Being Engineered To Create Chaos? Why did the Minneapolis police and fire departments stand down? We get into that in this video.

[Fellow Aspirant]

So, the two men "worked" together? And knew each other on a first name basis?

You would seem to be implying that these two have a history in which Officer Chauvin had a standing grievance against Mr. Floyd and seized on an opportunity to kill him.

I think their relationship bears looking into.

B

[christian]

Knee to the back of neck - is this standard procedure when subdueing a suspect and It would be unlikey for one suffocate from a knee to the back/side of head while lying prone with head turned.

It's not standard procedure. When using 'prone restraint' to keep someone on the floor with your knee it's paramount to avoid "direct contact with the neck or spine," according to PoliceOne.com (https://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/new-study-more-evidence-against-the-myth-of-restraint-asphyxia-fZq4miR8WYclWnGx/).

Yet sometimes police officers just do it. Here (https://www.quora.com/Why-do-police-put-their-knee-on-the-back-of-your-neck-when-cuffing-you) is a policeman on Quora saying that sometimes his knee or shin will be located on someone's neck during an arrest, but he's not aiming for that cause it's highly dangerous if he would apply too much pressure from that position.

According to The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2012-01-31/police-guidelines-permit-techniques-that-can-kill), "the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) says no restraint techniques are prohibited, as long as an officer can show the use of force was proportionate." However, they do caution against using force on the neck. "The guidelines add: 'Pressure should not be placed on the neck, especially around the angle of the jaw or windpipe. Pressure on the neck, particularly in the region below the angle of the jaw (carotid sinus) can disturb the nervous controls to the heart and lead to a sudden slowing or even stoppage of the heart.'"

Here (https://www.salon.com/2014/10/30/how_police_brutality_changed_me_he_crushed_his_knee_into_my_neck_i_could_hardly_breathe/) is the story of Jessie Sholl who had a policeman's knee on her neck when she was arrested at an anti-war protest in Minneapolis in the 90s. She's a slender white woman and was 21 at the time, it was a protest against the first Iraq war. In the article at Salon, Sholl writes, "I was on the ground before I knew it, knee to my neck. But in an age of social media, would it have even happened?" Unfortunately, we now have an answer to that question. Yet the results are obviously very different because no video of how this was done to her went viral back then, and she didn't die.

In 2015, a police officer was fired after brutal footage showed him forcing his knee against a female suspect's neck causing her to pass out in a Denver holding cell. The story is here (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2991321/Police-officer-fired-caught-CCTV-forcing-knee-against-female-suspect-s-neck.html). Here (https://mashable.com/2015/08/31/dallas-man-dies-police) is another story from 2015 of a man dying in Dallas after a deputy was seen with his knee on his neck during his arrest. Here (https://tl.hkrev.info/en/portfolio/south-asian-man-overpowered-by-police-died-instantly-after-7-minutes-of-knee-compression/) is a story of a man in Hongkong dying after a policeman had his knee on his neck for seven minutes.

It's not that people suffocate. Knee restraint applied to the side of the neck blocks vital blood vessels and thus restricts blood flow to the brain. People pass out not because they can't breathe air, but because the oxygen from their lungs can't go where it needs to go. That's what happens in chokeholds. And if you apply this type of pressure for too long, if blood doesn't circulate for too long, it's lethal. Below is a video of BJJ professionals (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, a martial art focused on grappling, ground fighting and submission holds such as levers and chokeholds) discussing the case of George Floyd. More videos of other BJJ professionals analyzing this case are here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvqPMaLC8Rw) and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2H9L-oMBX4). They all say the same thing.

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Given that this forum is renowned as a place for good conspiracy research, I understand why anyone would question the official narrative of what happened. It's strange that George and the policeman might have known each other, but this might just be a weird coincidence, life has these kinds of stories. Maybe they didn't even know each other, it's not confirmed. It's also true that "the establishment" likes to divide and conquer, so inciting a race war is nothing that I would put past them. Also with this case, reasonable people such as Candace Owens are warning against this. But despite all of this—despite what happened before and how this event might be exploited—it does seem to me that George Floyd was killed. That being said, sorry for the excursion and let's get back to topic.


I'd intended this thread to offer an opportunity to focus on


The political domino effects of this incident
The ethics (and maybe history) of rioting
The issues of the racial divide in the US, and what may be next (race war, says Alex Jones in today's live broadcast, on right now)
The corruption (or lack of action) in law enforcement, and even
The extent to which the President should get involved.

[Cardillac]

@Bill Ryan

since when is Mel Fabregas a flat-earther?- please inform-

Larry





From Bill:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=K1lOZpV4D1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1lOZpV4D1U)
(and more)

:focus:

[ExomatrixTV]

H e l t e r s k e l t e r 🇺🇸🔥
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[enigma3]

Some points to consider:
1. We as a people have a hard time getting rid of the bad apples. Chauvin had many complaints and no repercussions.
2. Major city police forces are now trained by the Israelis. Something cold blooded going on there. The PTB will not tell us the curriculum the Israelis use.
3. After the Eric Garner murder you would think the lessons of that would pass on to other cities. No chance. In fact, the murderer of Garner is still on the force!!
4. There is indeed an agenda to create racial hatred and sow discord and confusion. Part of the 12 year plan.
5. The Eric Garner murder cost NY city over $7 million dollars to settle. How much will the people of Minneapolis have to pay to settle? Big bucks.
6. I don't agree with all Stone says, but it sure looks like there are some strange goings on here. Why no immediate CPR?

[Fellow Aspirant]

RE: From Jim Stone:

There is a LOT wrong with the "murder video" that proves these guys really did act this out and there was no killing

The videos are hard to keep linked and are declining in quality as they repeatedly get deleted by Youtube.

1. You can tell when the ambulance arrives and the officer gets off the victim there was no pressure being applied.

2. When the ambulance arrives, rather than tend the victim, (the official reports state the ambulance was warned he needed medical attention and was unresponsive,) they did not tend to him immediately on the ground, instead they loaded him onto the gurney without checking a damn thing, pushed him into the ambulance and drove off. There's a HUGE problem with that

(etcetera)

While Jim Stone may be 'freelance' he is not a journalist. Opinion Writer, more like it. Alt-Right blogger, most accurately. Journalists are expected to do fact checks on their stories. Stone does not offer second sources on anything.

To find fault with the actions of the EMTs and cite them as proof that they are "fakes" is not factual proof of anything. It may indicate gross incompetence, however. Their actions should be investigated to see if they followed protocol.

I would not be surprised if Stone soon floats the claim that there was a second police officer involved, who spelled Chauvin off for a few minutes when he became tired and put his knee onto Floyd's neck to hold him in place until Chauvin felt refreshed and could continue with murdering Floyd. After a few minutes of kneeing the victim, I'm sure Chauvin was close to exhaustion. Those slow motion lynchings can take a lot out of a guy. The second police officer will have disappeared into the crowd, of course.

B

[DeDukshyn]

 
I just shared this to my FB page ... it is a female police officer's take on the situation and on police brutality in general ... someone promote this woman.


“I’ve thought long & hard about making this post, because I’m going to get hate for it either way.
But if I don’t say something, who will?”

This is one of the most honest posts I’ve ever seen from a police officer.
Her name is Officer Marissa Rutherford.
And here’s what she wrote:

I’m a white woman, & I’m a police officer.
I love my job, I love my coworkers, & I love my department.

And I’m blessed to work alongside some fantastic people.
But I’m not inattentive to what is happening in other departments & throughout this nation.

And I just have to say:
I’m SICK and TIRED of racial injustices.
I’m tired of other irresponsible police officers.
I’m tired of poor & improper training.
I’m tired of unethical use of excessive force.
I’m tired of lazy decision making.
I’m tired of discreditable use of discretion.
I’m tired of seeing racial divides.
And mostly I’m tired of the inability of other officers to hold their colleagues accountable & to see that these are ONGOING ISSUES.

If you’re a police officer and these issues I’ve touched on are not disturbing to you, you ARE the problem.

We swore to serve and protect EVERYONE.
Not just people who look like you and live like you.

How dare you call yourself a “peace maker” when you’re condoning indecorous & unethical actions in your work place.

How dare you, when you’re not fighting for justice for the voiceless.

I hate to admit that I was ignorant in believing at one point in time that all of this racial profiling stuff was blown out of proportion.
It’s not, it’s real.

It’s 2020 and racism still exists far worse than one can imagine.
Racist police officers STILL exist.

Fact of the matter is, it will never be completely eradicated.
There will always be racists.
But, there is simply ZERO room for that as a first responder.
We don’t get to pick and choose who we help.

If you’re a medical professional or LEO who is racist, sexist, homophobic or has any bias that would prevent you from helping a person, or even worse, create a reason for you to harm them, do me & society a favor and get the hell out.

Hand in your badge, hand in your gun because you have no business working alongside the greater good.

For those not educated in police training, & not to many’s surprise, kneeling on a person’s neck, or back is an unsanctioned means of subduing a person.

It’s fair to say, not every law enforcement officer is given the same exact training.

Experiences & education vary from instructor to instructor. When going through defensive tactics training, this was repeatedly drilled into my head. & even if not, thankfully I have enough common sense to know that kneeling on a person’s neck could easily restrict their air flow.

Especially when they’ve already been handcuffed.

Training in this field does not & should not stop.
For those that need to revisit any training courses, do so.

Learning proper technique is crucial, clearly.
One mistake & your career is over & you’ve made a regretful decision that you will forever have to live with and be judged by.

We need reform, love & compassion.
We need GOD.
Thanks to a very small percentage of thoughtless, negligent officers, the job for a majority of GREAT law enforcement officers becomes even more of a danger every day.

Like your skin that has made you a target, our badge becomes a target.

My question now is, how far off are we from #RodneyKing ?
And to my colleagues, what are YOU going to do in your community to enhance the safety & security of the very people that depend on you every day?

Black lives matter.
Blue lives matter.
Every life matters.
And until we come to that agreement as a society, we will never be at peace.

The war is not won.
We have work to do.
I will not be at ease until I see to it that those officers are charged for the grievous murder of GEORGE FLOYD.

I’m a white woman & yes, I’m a police officer.
But before that, I AM HUMAN.
To my fellow brothers & sisters in Law Enforcement, stay safe & God Bless

—-Officer Marissa Rutherford.



She's a real officer with Shelby Ohio Police service - she's fully google-able. We need more people like her, and more people like her in leadership positions.

[AutumnW]

I lived in Minneapolis for 20 year, still have business going back to the hoods regularly. My neighbors to the left, right and back have been black, the front has been gay ever since. I know the place where the riot is like the back of my hand.

My black neighbor who was blacker than black :), once whispered to me: Hugh! I am not black like those black out there - pointing to the direction where gun shots and siren could be heard every night - I am Puerto Rican.

My wife knows many, many police officers who don't feel safe patrolling certain black neighborhood at night. I bet they know a lot of things going on there than any of the clueless politician sitting on the city council, including the major himself.

My black tenant owns a shirt printing business. He once spoke to me: Hugh, I don't see Asians do that. Why my brothers do this to me? - he was talking about his own people started selling clothes in the same block after seeing his business picking up. When the riot started he printed a bunch of signs saying "Black owned" and put it in from of our shops so that rioters may spare our building.

What I am trying to say is the black people need to sort things among themselves, start taking care of "their own kind" and need to see that they are being lead by people who have no intention of looking out for them .

I myself see 3 separate groups in this riot: those that participate in the demonstration though routy are mostly peaceful and decent people; a lot are simply bad characters who take advantage of the situation to loot and rob others; and then there are elements of political opportunists who ransack and burn down businesses, a library, a school, a shelter complex for the homeless. This last group is most dangerous and it will backfire on them.
Nice use of ungrammatical English to drive home a point!

"Hugh, I don't see Asians do that. Why my brothers do this to me?" - he was talking about his own people started selling clothes in the same block after seeing his business picking up.

And then Massa agrees to hisself, why oh why are they behavin' like capitalists in a capitalist system? Selling merchandise by day and likely scarin' all de white cops at night!

What I am trying to say is the black people need to sort things among themselves, start taking care of "their own kind" and need to see that they are being lead by people who have no intention of looking out for them .

AuCo--You mean the mayor, the police department and the criminal justice system?

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=Luke Holiday;1358407]Knee to the back of neck - is this standard procedure when subdueing a suspect and It would be unlikey for one suffocate from a knee to the back/side of head while lying prone with head turned.


In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneously - this is why this is allowed/acceptable and taught in Police academy's around the globe

Blessings Luke

[Luke Holiday]

(RE: all the "fake story!" hypothesis)



Why the **** would "they" go through all that work, the planning, the setup, the risk of being caught, paying people off to act in something they would have to know is exactly what the elite want (destruction of america), trying to find people that would go along with that plan, etc. etc. When you could just use a real life incident, save all that money, save the planning, the risk of getting caught or outed.

Police killed over 1000 people in the US in 2019, by best estimates, yet official police numbers only ever show what is classified as "justified" killing, and that number is usually ~300-500 per year. So if we use the rate of 500 unjustified killings per year, the majority involving blacks, (as per the stats) you could potentially have more than one real life incident per day to emphasize via the already corrupted media, and easily accomplish the same.

The 'Its a fake!' story has a hundred other holes in it as well ... not buying any of that crap that until I see the guy alive.

Just to clarify: RE: all the "fake story!" hypothesis - this is not my quote ? -I did not say the story was a fake -I was merely pointing out that I was curiously suspicious of … :)

Oh and as to the topic of "would "they" go through all that work, the planning, the setup, the risk of being caught, paying people off to act in something they would have to know is exactly what the elite want (destruction of america), trying to find people that would go along with that plan, etc. etc. When you could just use a real life incident, save all that money, save the planning, the risk of getting caught or outed."

… Of course they would if their agenda called for it... think all of the great false flags that required far more then your asking for here...


1. 9/11
2. weapons of mass destruction
2. Vegas shootings
3. JFK
4. Gulf of tonkin
5. New York Marathon bombing ….
6. Start of WW 1
7. and of course the latest : Covid 19 in order to justify the upcoming financial reset etc etc,,,

[Justplain]

The police I have had to deal with through my life, tho not very often, have atleast 85% of the time been excellent. The problem is that the other %15 can be pretty bad. Aaron Russo described a terrible episode during his time as a nightclub manager/owner in Chicago. During 1968 unrest at the Chicago democratic party convention, his club was framed for being unhygienic after city crews dumped garbage in his shop. The police arrived the next day and offered him various bribery schemes to prevent any further problems.

The Al Pacino movie 'Serpico' (1979) shows endemic corruption in the nypd narcotics squad. Serpico was based on a true story.

Unfortunately the George Floyd story exposes the racism aspect of police action.

If Chauvin is part of a false flag scenario, then my guess is he will be silenced, like Jeffrey Epstein. Perhaps Epstein isn't really dead but his narritive sure is.

In any case, corruption and racism are both huge problems in law enforcement. The bad cops are terrible for poisoning the environment for the good cops, many of whom are honest, patriotic people. If America can gain something out of this situation, it would be to make it more difficult for bad cops to exist.

This goes hand in hand with society's need to rid of those who promoted the covid scamdemic.

The World needs to clean up the corruption and prejudice. If we use this event towards that end, it's turned into something against the forces of evil.

[Bill Ryan]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

[Luke Holiday]

1. Mr Floyd's head shot being used for the media appears adobe photoshopped ( look at the outline of the body against the background)

It was a video. :)


For some reason I am unable to upload any photos? ( Could I get any assistance with this ? ) But the photo in question is the one the media has been using where his upper body is featured against a brick background?

Luke




From Bill:
In the FAQs: How do I embed an image in a post? (http://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#5)No I have imbedded in the past - I am saying this function is not working on my end






From Bill:
If you're embedding an image hosted on a server, then just wrap the tags ... around the URL.
(http://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#5)

[Luke Holiday]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

Luke

[Bill Ryan]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

LukeLook it up! It's easy to find the references.

[DeDukshyn]

(RE: all the "fake story!" hypothesis)



Why the **** would "they" go through all that work, the planning, the setup, the risk of being caught, paying people off to act in something they would have to know is exactly what the elite want (destruction of america), trying to find people that would go along with that plan, etc. etc. When you could just use a real life incident, save all that money, save the planning, the risk of getting caught or outed.

Police killed over 1000 people in the US in 2019, by best estimates, yet official police numbers only ever show what is classified as "justified" killing, and that number is usually ~300-500 per year. So if we use the rate of 500 unjustified killings per year, the majority involving blacks, (as per the stats) you could potentially have more than one real life incident per day to emphasize via the already corrupted media, and easily accomplish the same.

The 'Its a fake!' story has a hundred other holes in it as well ... not buying any of that crap that until I see the guy alive.

Just to clarify: I did not say the story was a fake - was merely pointing out this that I was curiously suspicious of … :)

All good, I wasn't trying to shoot the messenger. Edited that post for clarity.

[AutumnW]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

Luke

Think about it. If someone has you pinned down and is pressing hard on your carotid artery, the other carotid artery is going to be severely impacted by the pressure of the road on the other side...unless they gave him a pillow to rest his head on first. "We're going to apply lethal force to your neck...but first, Sir..can we offer you a pillow?"

[Bo Atkinson]

For my part I subscribe to a wide variety of news sources, (which auto send me headlines in emails), including a source with what has seemed like continuous focus on regime-repression as it often sounds in their headlines:

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/george-floyd-life-mattered-400/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rssfeednewsletter&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter

I rarely read much of the full content, as I have already personally experienced hate crime almost to death, but persistently live on, and study the mechanisms yet further of being electronically targeted, which I suggest may easily become the new norm as already today "weak neural targeting" has almost reached the pc game market, as an indicator of hateful-potentialities out there, presently evident.

[wondering]

Luke, Collateral circulation established over time? Diane

[Luke Holiday]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

LukeLook it up.

I did - could not find one

[christian]

It's not that people suffocate. This sort of knee restraints blocks a vital blood vessel and thus restricts blood flow to the brain. People pass out not because they can't breathe air, but because the oxygen from their lungs can't go where it needs to go.

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneously

Let's say you have a circular system, like a garden hose in a closed circle. Liquid runs through it in a circular motion. On how many points do you have to compress the hose to stop the circulation?

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

[Luke Holiday]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

Luke

Think about it. If someone has you pinned down and is pressing hard on your carotid artery, the other carotid artery is going to be severely impacted by the pressure of the road on the other side...unless they gave him a pillow to rest his head on first. "We're going to apply lethal force to your neck...but first, Sir..can we offer you a pillow?"

Sorry but the bottom one would not receive compression in this position

[Luke Holiday]

It's not that people suffocate. This sort of knee restraints blocks a vital blood vessel and thus restricts blood flow to the brain. People pass out not because they can't breathe air, but because the oxygen from their lungs can't go where it needs to go.

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneously

Let's say you have a circular system, like a garden hose in a closed circle. Liquid runs through it in a circular motion. On how many points do you have to compress the hose to stop the circulation?

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.
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You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

[Luke Holiday]

Luke, Collateral circulation established over time? Diane

...Do you have a reference - So far I have found nothing :)

Thanks Luke

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From Bill:
In the FAQs: How do I embed an image in a post?
No I have imbedded in the past - I am saying this function is not working on my end

[christian]

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

[ExomatrixTV]

Officer In George Floyd Case ARRESTED, Medical Report Is BAD, The Cop Is In Trouble
O2G0tPbRrbs

[AutumnW]

In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneouslyThat's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.

Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?

Luke



Think about it. If someone has you pinned down and is pressing hard on your carotid artery, the other carotid artery is going to be severely impacted by the pressure of the road on the other side...unless they gave him a pillow to rest his head on first. "We're going to apply lethal force to your neck...but first, Sir..can we offer you a pillow?"

Sorry but the bottom one would not receive compression in this position

Certainly could have. You are wrong on all counts.

[Mashika]

In this Natural News article (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-29-george-floyd-was-deliberately-murdered-race-riots-chaos.html), Mike Adams suspects that George Floyd was deliberately murdered specifically to spark race riots. Here's his video:


https://brighteon.com/2e81d0b1-bf3a-428a-9cfa-209e058f9a9b

According to his suggestion, Floyd was not complicit. It seems to me that this is far more likely than Floyd being somehow knowingly involved.

That has to be just about theoretically possible (many things are!), but I have to say the notion that Floyd was part of some agreed plan actually feels quite offensive to me. It would take a great deal of good information for me to begin to believe that.

It's maybe rather more possible that the police officer, Derek Chauvin, was simply a psychopathic thug in uniform who was triggered to relish what he was doing. It sure looks like that.

Regarding this, there's a small video on Twitter that shows the ambulance stopping then cops come out and take George Floyd inside, no single attempt to give medical assistance or even check him before moving him, why were cops riding the ambulance and not EMTs? The cop gets close checks pulse then walks away, he was just verifying he was completely dead? And why after checking the pulse the cop still keep the knee on George Floyd? This is all very suspect to me, i don't know what to think

https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1266393141906726912?s=21

Do cops do this on the US? This is the first time i see something like that happen

UPDATED:

Looking a bit more into this, it seems EMTs on the US can and do wear those uniforms, but that doesn't explain why they just got there like that, picked the guy up and moved away, and why they didn't say anything while checking the pulse and seeing the cop still with the knee on the guy's neck. That's still very odd behavior

[Luke Holiday]

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

… You may in fact be right - but what I am asking for from BR, Diane and you chris is a reference on the possibility/likelihood of one becoming unconscious and dying from having one side of his cervicocerebral arteries compressed.


The analogy would be as follows: I say the earth is round, you say the earth is flat, I ask for a reference and you say: Look it up - there is a reference. (… and I cannot find such a reference)


I asking because I am not sure of the answer and a reference would nice be helpful in coming to a conclusion in this case...


Thank you

Luke

[Justplain]

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

… You may in fact be right - but what I am asking for from BR, Diane and you chris is a reference...

Problems with the neck artery can cause strokes:

"Most of the time, neck pain doesn't signal a serious medical problem. But it's worth learning about one of the rare exceptions: a tear in one of the arteries of the neck, known as a cervical artery dissection... Although these occur in only about two in 100,000 people per year, they are one of the most common causes of stroke in people under age 50."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/when-a-pain-in-the-neck-is-serious

[Luke Holiday]

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

… You may in fact be right - but what I am asking for from BR, Diane and you chris is a reference...

Problems with the neck artery can cause strokes:

"Most of the time, neck pain doesn't signal a serious medical problem. But it's worth learning about one of the rare exceptions: a tear in one of the arteries of the neck, known as a cervical artery dissection... Although these occur in only about two in 100,000 people per year, they are one of the most common causes of stroke in people under age 50."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/when-a-pain-in-the-neck-is-serious

.., with all due respect … what does this have to with this particular issue?

[shaberon]

The riots appear to have spread to Atlanta, NYC, and the White House.

Now. Has anyone here ever dealt with counterfeit?

That is actually rather strange that a retail clerk suddenly calls in "counterfeit in progress" just like that and it is $20.

Is this what they get from swiping those counterfeit pens? Those things are baloney. Where is that story and the person being held accountable for their testimony which is probably based from an item that will tell me that the phone book is made of cash?

I have reacted to many counterfeits, and a pen never had anything to do with any of it. I have always wondered how someone would make a confrontation based on it. Maybe this is what happens.

Neck submissions and major vandalism are not the best way to deal with these things.

If it was me, if I was personally really in it, I would just hunt down the offending officer. This stuff is essentially terrorism, or destruction accompanied by some sort of political demand.

Atlanta:

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.05/original/5ed1e1fa20302722796e874b.JPG

[Patient]

There are many blood vessels in the neck. If they don't operate properly, you get serious problems. In this case, it got a man killed, as has happened in many similar cases before.

You have 4 BV's coming through then neck to head - 2 on both sides -as I stated - if you occcude one side you will still have 2 BV's open on the other side to adequately oxygenate the brain...

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

… You may in fact be right - but what I am asking for from BR, Diane and you chris is a reference...

Problems with the neck artery can cause strokes:

"Most of the time, neck pain doesn't signal a serious medical problem. But it's worth learning about one of the rare exceptions: a tear in one of the arteries of the neck, known as a cervical artery dissection... Although these occur in only about two in 100,000 people per year, they are one of the most common causes of stroke in people under age 50."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/when-a-pain-in-the-neck-is-serious

.., with all due respect … what does this have to with this particular issue?


Not too sure what exact part you are referring to, but here are a few points....

Many police forces are apparently using Israeli self defense to train their officers. An Israeli self defense system called "Krav Maga" is very lethal. If a person is trained in this self defense but does not have enough training to properly control themselves then they could easily cause deadly harm.

A choke hold, or anything that restricts the blood flow through the neck can quickly inflict damage to the brain. If you wonder about the affect that a choke hold could cause, have a professionally trained self defense person apply one to you. When applied correctly there is no blood flow restriction at first - but all that the person has to do is to tighten his arm muscles slightly and it instantly feels like your eyes are popping out of your head. If the hold is tightened and held, the person will pass out within 2-3 seconds.

So when techniques are used improperly by people who are trying to hurt someone - things can go very bad very fast.

I said earlier in this thread that I felt that police are not paid enough for the job they do. Perhaps I should expand on that to say that there is not enough money provided to the police force overall. If they were trained better then perhaps there would be less things like this happening. Maybe they need more training, more management and supervision and more attention given to the person's character and behavior.

Obviously there are good police officers and bad officers. But if there is not enough budget to go around then they are quickly training people and sending them out into the streets. People are then left to learn from their peers - whoever they may be.

We can see the problem. It is up to all of us to do our part, however small that may be, to fix it. Teaching our children. Talking to friends. Extending a helping hand to your neighbor or just someone in need.

[greybeard]

Moojibaba Responds to the Tragic Death of George Floyd


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaG9qHHFmM

[christian]

People have died from 'knee restraint' in the past, it can kill you. You can't just operate on half the blood with the other half being stuck. It means that half of the brain just doesn't get oxygen anymore. All these vessels flow to particular areas, not just into some big pool that can still operate on half capacity.

… You may in fact be right - but what I am asking for from BR, Diane and you chris is a reference on the possibility/likelihood of one becoming unconscious and dying from having one side of his cervicocerebral arteries compressed.

I have already shared multiple examples of people passing out or dying from 'knee restraint' here on page 2 of this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358443&viewfull=1#post1358443).

Maybe the mods can split the posts concerned with whether or not Floyd was actually killed into a separate thread so we can focus on the original purpose of this thread?


I'd intended this thread to offer an opportunity to focus on


The political domino effects of this incident
The ethics (and maybe history) of rioting
The issues of the racial divide in the US, and what may be next (race war, says Alex Jones in today's live broadcast, on right now)
The corruption (or lack of action) in law enforcement, and even
The extent to which the President should get involved.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I’m not jumping on the conspiracy theory train here. I use to be a EMT. Looking at the footage leaves me quite shocked. I’ve been to scenes exactly like this.

Protocol would have me jump out with my bag (intubation, masks, oxygen, IV’s, saline bags etc...) also my partner would jump out with oxygen and a defibrillator and EKG.
You immediately determine pulse and breathing. If neither is present you have very little time. This is a 2 person job minimum. I immediately have to do CPR. Usually someone from the fire department resumes CPR while I get everything else ready ( IV, Intubation...) my partner in the meantime already has a bag valve mask on and is doing positive pressure ventilation. There’s a lot more I would do at the scene that I’m leaving out!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that 1 person in the back of an ambulance isn’t able to do all this as your partner needs to drive. As a matter of fact, if you just throw a person in the back like this not only would you loose your job, you’d be sued to high heaven for it.

I can see why people would think this portion of the video is fake. If your not breathing EVERY second counts. You just don’t do this. I seriously question why those medics did this. I would look into them as well.

Michelle

I beginning to wonder if they did not adopt normal procedure surely we need to ask a few questions as to what really happened...

Also maybe Luke has a point here...he seems to have educated opinion so not really unreasonable to find out if this is true... I'm not an expert.


Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
In order for the blood flow theory to work both sides of the neck would have to be compressed simultaneously
That's incorrect. Pressure on just one carotid artery can cause a person to black out or worse.
Do you have a reference for that? The reason I ask is that I have treated patients who have complete plaque related occlusion of one carotid artery and are able function normally?
Luke


Viking

[Bill Ryan]

Maybe the mods can split the posts concerned with whether or not Floyd was actually killed into a separate thread so we can focus on the original purpose of this thread?Thanks, Chris — yes, of course Floyd was killed. The mods don't really support a separate thread that just makes Avalon look unintelligent. Some people deny everything, whatever the evidence, science or logic. That helps no-one.

There are very likely to have been agendas to trigger race riots, either somehow planned or quickly utilized. There are also very likely to have been provocateurs among the rioters. It has to be a non-zero possibility that Chauvin was somehow paid or personally intended to kill Floyd. But maintaining he's still alive makes the poster (and the forum!) look ridiculous.

What might be far more valuable would be to discuss the autopsy results (https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/29/george-floyd-autopsy-claims-no-findings-of--traumatic-asphyxia-o.html), which, I'd be sure to the further outrage of many, might be used in Chauvin's defense — and the very reasonable calls for an independent autopsy. The whole complex US societal issue of race riots (a convenient and glib media label, of course) is also one which it'd be very interesting to tackle.

:focus:

[Agape]

Moojibaba Responds to the Tragic Death of George Floyd


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaG9qHHFmM


Thank you Greybeard🙏🌟🙏 It’s absolutely outrages and disgusting.

And it’s not going to be shushed this time and it’s going to go big.

It’s disgusting not because we are social animals and need to gather, no, we can still work together online.
You know, I know what I’m saying, I had someone’s hands on my neck down in Uruguay for about 5 minutes pressing on the pipes, hoping to destroy my vocal chords at least. Somehow it did not happen but two years later I’m still breathing bits of food in :)
When I mentioned that to one good friend recently they apologised from the equation and ran to pee.

They “the deep state”, the agents of “one whose name should not be pronounced”, whoever they are they are killing people because they can, enjoy the act and find it rather resonant with nature.

Killer Mike tells Atlanta residents not to burn their houses (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nme.com/news/music/killer-mike-tells-atlanta-residents-its-not-time-to-burn-down-your-own-home-in-impassioned-speech-2679028%3famp)

Hear Killer Mike also, his speech is quite passionate but also compassionate.

Things need to change. People need to be able to sublimate the power they invest to feeding their bulky bodies and fighting in streets into expressing their opinion intelligently and in civilised ways.

This needs to stop. Stop shooting and threatening people, stop looting. Replace the people in charge, feed the poor not the rich and obese.
Cultivate culture, ethics, good manners.

Don’t just close your eyes because it’s not happening.



Pranams MoojiJi 🙏

[Bill Ryan]

I'd also like to open up the discussion towards the failure of institutions, and the increasing lack of public trust in them. For more on this, see this thread. The problem is endemic.


The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109915-The-Fourth-Turning-when-humanity-loses-faith-in-its-institutions)

It was so interesting to me to see that many spokespeople (police officers, politicians, news anchors) commended the arrest of George Chauvin — three days after the incident. Many cited that often in the past, it'd taken months to bring a police officer to justice when needed. So three days was considered to be exceptionally fast and proactive.

But not to those on the street. That was two and a half days way too late. It's VERY hard for me to understand how come those in authority, including the Minneapolis police department, never saw that as obvious.

If Chauvin had been off duty, with no uniform (or never a police officer at all), he'd have been arrested on the spot. Within minutes. What's so clear to see are the double standards.

So there's a major disconnect here. For those watching in horror, but with no formal power, already fueled with longstanding legitimate grievances against authority of every kind, all this was just too much.

So what happens? There was almost no trust left in the authorities — the police, the governor, the lawmakers. Probably, also, in the President. The result is that the people, having reached an emotional tipping point of no more tolerance or patience, take matters in their own hands. Virtue signaling the condemnation of violent rioting just seems to sidestep the entire deep-rooted issue.

[ExomatrixTV]

BOOGALOO - Plandemic Losing Interest... So Now Here Comes Civil War, Martial Law and the Troops:
SGrwWDIOZ_Q

[fractal being]

Unfortunately another one becomes victim of this craziness.

Amid raging protests, local police report that shots were fired at protesters, leaving at least one person dead. The authorities said that no officer was involved.

A Detroit police spokesperson confirmed that an unknown perpetrator fired a “shot or shots” into the crowd of protesters. The shooter fired shots from a grey Dodge Durango, fatally injuring a 19-year-old and fleeing the scene; the victim was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.Rest of it here (https://www.rt.com/usa/490209-detroit-shots-fired-protests/).We can all guess what what that person coming out of the Dodge Durango might be like. This is starting to escalate into civil conflict.

Regarding, Derek Chauvin(ist) I don't think he's a paid participant in this incident. He was a trump sympathiser so I don't think he wouldact against his interests in such a way. If the possibilty exists that this was a staged act, then I find more likely that he's been part of an MKUltra style programming and was triggered. Which actually could explain his odd behaviour. He stands there posing as a safari hunter on top of his trophy, even though he sees he's been recorded, and keeps pushing his neck even after he's confirmed that Floyd has no pulse. That's not sane behaviour even for a cop.

One possibility I've been pondering is that it could be that the DS got aware of Trump's plans to crackdown on social media, the WHO and China in advance and started this to undermine him.
Of course I find it equally possible that those Trump announcements came as a consequence of this. He saw trouble coming and so decided to make those announcements in order to coil his supporters around him and give them back acces to social media, since they're the ones mostly banned.

It's not clear to me where the truth lies atm, but certainly if Trump is a victim and in the defensive here, he's playing it all wrong. When he responded at the reporters, when he was asked about it, he replied like some chef had just asked him how the stake was "I didn't like it, Ididn't like it at all". That amount of indifference can only incite outrage on the people affected from this. Furthermore he could announce some change in the procedure these police acts are handled and some plan for the rejuvenation of poor and marginalized neighbourhoods instead or in combination with his other announcements.

Don't get me wrong I'm all in favour that he made those announcements, it's just a matter of timing. Riots in Minneapolis had already started so his priorities should have been first addresing that situation and not just candying his fans. And also threatening to shoot the protesters did't help at all. This has now spread over 20 cities accross US, at some point national guard won't be enough. What's next? The army?

On a more subliminal level I find it quite a suspicious coincidence that this situation is respresented (and rightly so) by the phrase "I can't breathe". Interestingly enough it's very fitting with Covid1984, a weapon from which it's victims cannot breathe.

My apologies for not providing all the links I'd like. Working on a data limited connection.

[Valerie Villars]

I'd also like to open up the discussion towards the failure of institutions, and the increasing lack of public trust in them. For more on this, see this thread. The problem is endemic.


The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109915-The-Fourth-Turning-when-humanity-loses-faith-in-its-institutions)

It was so interesting to me to see that many spokespeople (police officers, politicians, news anchors) commended the arrest of George Chauvin — three days after the incident. Many cited that often in the past, it'd taken months to bring a police officer to justice when needed. So three days was considered to be exceptionally fast and proactive.

But not to those on the street. That was two and a half days way too late. It's VERY hard for me to understand how come those in authority, including the Minneapolis police department, never saw that as obvious.

If Chauvin had been off duty, with no uniform (or never a police officer at all), he'd have been arrested on the spot. Within minutes. What's so clear to see are the double standards.

So there's a major disconnect here. For those watching in horror, but with no formal power, already fueled with longstanding legitimate grievances against authority of every kind, all this was just too much.

So what happens? There was almost no trust left in the authorities — the police, the governor, the lawmakers. Probably, also, in the President. The result is that the people, having reached an emotional tipping point of no more tolerance or patience, take matters in their own hands. Virtue signaling the condemnation of violent rioting just seems to sidestep the entire deep-rooted issue.

In recent days, the city of New Orleans Police Department was outed by video showing them discussing, in their locker room, how to get their stories straight for illegal searches and arrests in the French Quarter.

Many peoples lives have been ruined by the arrest, false testimonies and planting of evidence by the police, who have been proven to lie in far too many situations. I don't understand the cognitive dissonance of a juror who would believe the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" testimony of these above the law cops in court and convict someone purely on a cop's testimony.

The police are not special, they are not different and they certainly have all the traits, both good and bad, of the rest of humanity.

This scene from "The Departed" tells it like it is. Billy is an undercover cop seeing a psychiatrist.


BILLY
There was a cop leaving when I came
in.

MADOLYN
How do you know he was a cop?

BILLY
Bad haircut, no dress sense and a
slight air of scumbag entitlement.
You see cops?

MADOLYN
That's part of what I do. Although,
I don't normally see cadets who
were kicked out of the Academy.

BILLY
You should get a better job...

BILLY (CONT'D)
Do they all come in and cry...your
cops?

MADOLYN
Sometimes they cry if they had
trouble at home or if they've had
to...use their weapons.

BILLY
Let me tell you something. They
signed up to use their ****in'
weapons. Most of them. But they
watch enough TV so they know they
have to "weep" after they use their
weapons. No one's more full of ****
than a cop. Except a cop on TV.

[Bill Ryan]

BOOGALOO - Plandemic Losing Interest... So Now Here Comes Civil War, Martial Law and the Troops:
SGrwWDIOZ_QI found the glee with which this guy was commenting on this quite nauseating. There may well be a high-level agenda here, of course. But, Jeez. :facepalm:

[ExomatrixTV]

The Protest & Riot Perspective You Need To Hear!
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[pueblo]

A poem entitled Race War by Benny Mills, quoted in the Dollar Vigilante video posted above by ExomatrixTV.

Sums up this whole issue quite succinctly.

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[Bill Ryan]

This is an excellent, rational, sober, measured warning from Matt Bracken, who's always acutely aware of where we all are.

He rightly describes this as an extremely dangerous tinderbox situation that could so easily be utilized by a number of different groups and agendas. Maybe nothing much will happen in the next week or two, but a great deal could.

It was published last night US time. (You can switch off two minutes from the end when the Infowars commercials come on.)

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ed19ce2ef3949002fba58a7

5ed19ce2ef3949002fba58a7

[Gwin Ru]

It took me a while to find where else I had seen that same technique of pinning down a body on the ground:

Palestinian George Floyds Ignored by Int'l Community (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990310000607)


https://media.farsnews.ir/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1399/03/10/13990310000505_PhotoJ.jpg


TEHRAN (FNA)- The emergence of footages of the US police violence and killing of a black man raised outrage in the country and the world, while the international community ignores killing of the Palestinians by Israeli soldiers in identical scenes.

The Arabic-language Palestinian Shahab news agency released images of the Palestinian youth who are every day arrested by the Israeli soldiers the same way George Floyd was treated.


https://media.farsnews.ir/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1399/03/10/13990310000506_PhotoJ.jpg



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.... combined with the numerous reports of US police depts going to Israel for training... and we may have an example of the wetiko virus contagion.


PS: Thinking about it, it's a symbol of how to handle an "enemy" of the state... guess who/what is declared as the "enemy"!?

[waves]

Of course this was a timed release distraction from the growing disgust with unnecessary lives/business destruction from the scamdemic which people are catching on to (if not the bigger agenda, at least the lack of contagiousness warranting destroying American livelihoods and way of life from every angle really starting snowball hit everyone hard).

Of course this race themed 'murder' is being agitated and milked to the fullest by the same script reading media who only take orders.

I suspect they wanted the shutdown to foment the eruption so they could implement Stage 2 martial law and got tired of waiting. They had done too good a job of creating docile sheep.

Of course they knew they had a ripe situation of deep frustration to use the feelings of all pent up Americans with deteriorating everything to have an excuse to explode and it not have to be against the 'virus'.

It would be foolish to believe any 'autopsy report' delivered by the same media who only read scripts given by the agency deep in full speed ahead operations in their shutting down the world/nwo agenda procedure.

There's nothing anymore promoted with a HUGE spotlight by the ZOG owned/100% scripted media and repeated verbatim worldwide with great deliberateness and purpose that does not SERVE THEM.



And 3 months in...there still isn't a valid definition of and associated test for 19 that isolates it from plain old cv in widespread use.
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[ExomatrixTV]

"Rioting" is NOT what we want EVER

As it is STUPID emotional outburst creating all kinds of UNJUST new innocent victims in the process ... this is like shooting in your own foot then blame others that you did that!

There is no "monopoly" on STUPID

Riots always happens via certain TRIGGER events (part of them are Artificial Created ... False Flag Operations etc.) ... SOME are funded (directly or indirectly) by SOROS yes ... but not all ... any generalization for or against controversial topics is NOT doing justice to the full spectrum of the (unfiltered) truth!

"RIOTS" is often in mix of real rioters and instigators & agent provocateurs ... they both make it grow much bigger ... and when it goes viral ... new instigators & agent provocateurs elsewhere do the same! ... When "CIVIL (RACE) WAR" is becoming daily occurrence be aware that they have 100s more excuses to weaponize 5G Tech even more! ... All for the "greater good" rhetoric ... sacrificing liberty for security has neither.


John (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247210346723238&set=a.115066953270912&type=3&theater)

[happyuk]

This all takes me back to the Rodney King riots, they are similar in levels of outrage.

There is an excellent analysis by the late entertainer and activist Dick Gregory about the Rodney King outrage, which although a bit off-topic is applicable here - who benefits? Who walks away with the big pay-off?

Just to warn you that in later years Gregory could be quite cantankerous and woe betide any perceived superficiality on the part of the interviewer, and it shows in this interview. Nevertheless I think this interview gives an excellent insight into what's going on right now.

Who benefits??

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[cursichella1]

Mel Fabrigaz posted this on Facebook... *shrugs*

https://www.facebook.com/1284108081/posts/10217992662389844/

Viking

Quote from the above link, for those don't have facebook:

Since when are EMTs armed or dressed like police? On the left, these are the two individuals who came out of the ambulance. Did not perform CPR. Did not administer oxygen. They just took Floyd and left. And on the right...a lot of similarities between the two. Question everything.

Because the EMTs were through the fire department. Those are fire department uniforms.

The man doing the voiceover on this video believes the EMTs were armed?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266627416761434114

[Antagenet]

From a woman who is from Venezuela and has been through "revolution" and hates it.
A very wizened perspective.
DDS-ftuSGnU

my2 cents. Soros and cabal are lovin all this and want every country to self destruct.

[Bluegreen]

The less energy we give to this news the better

[Gracy]

The less energy we give to this news the better

Would you say that were George Floyd a close friend or relative of yours? Just, let it go?

[Bluegreen]

The less energy we give to this news the better

Would you say that were George Floyd a close friend or relative of yours? Just, let it go?

Yes . . . . . .

[Sarah Rainsong]

Mel Fabrigaz posted this on Facebook... *shrugs*

https://www.facebook.com/1284108081/posts/10217992662389844/

Viking

Quote from the above link, for those don't have facebook:

Since when are EMTs armed or dressed like police? On the left, these are the two individuals who came out of the ambulance. Did not perform CPR. Did not administer oxygen. They just took Floyd and left. And on the right...a lot of similarities between the two. Question everything.

Because the EMTs were through the fire department. Those are fire department uniforms.

The man doing the voiceover on this video believes the EMTs were armed?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266627416761434114

So apparently it's standard EMT uniform for Minneapolis (Hennepin EMS uniform (https://www.google.com/search?q=Hennepin+EMS+uniform&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiVlqiY1tzpAhXJs1MKHVy0Co0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Hennepin+EMS+uniform&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJ1Dy7gFYifABYPnxAWgAcAB4AIABVIgBmQGSAQEymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWc&sclient=img&ei=LuPSXpXHNcnnzgLc6KroCA&bih=738&biw=1517&rlz=1CARJNJ_enUS759US759)) and it looks like what they're thinking is a firearm is actually their radio and flashlight.

The fire department was reported on another news site as being the ones that responded to the call.

[ExomatrixTV]

Trump on escalating protests: Violence is being led by Antifa, radical groups
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[Sarah Rainsong]

We have a serious problem with police brutality in this country. And it's a part of larger issues. Many of those issues are currently being dragged out into the open.

Police brutality is real. Racism is real. This murder was not faked.

So exactly how are people supposed to respond?

Not giving energy is the equivalent of trying to shove it under the rug.

If riots and looting are not the answer, what should people do?

I am not saying rioting and looting are the answer! I'm seriously asking. What do you tell the young college students who watch videos like this (no links, these were videos my daughter showed me on her phone):

protesters sitting peacefully and getting sprayed with gas
tear gas being launched without warning into crowds that were standing peacefully 50 yards away from the police line
the protests of the shutdowns where ARMED white folks literally spat in officer's face, and were never met with any kind action... compared to the above events


What do you tell the younger generation? What do you tell the folks who have lost their jobs and have been stripped of everything and have nothing else to lose...and now this happens? What are they supposed to do?

I told dd20 if she wants to go to the protest downtown tomorrow, then do it. But make sure she has a buddy that she trusts to watch her back, and to be aware that there are people with agendas that are trying to hijack the energy of this movement.

But that, too, is being exposed. There are videos circulating of a plain clothes police officer that intentionally started a fire in Minneapolis. A couple of protesters caught it on film, followed him, got his face on their camera... and then tracked his social media account and learned who he was. Will this make the news? Probably not. But at least the word is spreading among the actual protesters to be alert for this kind of behavior.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Keeping close tabs on my son living in downtown LA. There is no where near the level of palpable rage in Los Angeles as when the Rodney King riots broke out. LA was literally on fire - smoke everywhere and widespread looting and violence/ Whole city blocks destroyed, people pulled out of their cars and beat. The main difference now is social media - everything is livestreamed, so its a different experience to people not directly on site.

[Bill Ryan]

Keeping close tabs on my son living in downtown LA. There is no where near the level of palpable rage in Los Angeles as when the Rodney King riots broke out. LA was literally on fire - smoke everywhere and widespread looting and violence/ Whole city blocks destroyed, people pulled out of their cars and beat. The main difference now is social media - everything is livestreamed, so its a different experience to people not directly on site.Yes. Another difference is that this has gone national. 8 states including DC have now activated the National Guard.

It's a perfect storm: the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income. Now this. It's like something being released on a huge coiled spring. I'm watching some of the livestreams and it seems like all hell is breaking loose. It's extremely dangerous. It could easily be hijacked to escalate it to a different level.

[AutumnW]

From a woman who is from Venezuela and has been through "revolution" and hates it.
A very wizened perspective.
DDS-ftuSGnU

my2 cents. Soros and cabal are lovin all this and want every country to self destruct.

Where is your evidence that Soros has anything to do with this?

[AutumnW]

The less energy we give to this news the better

Would you say that were George Floyd a close friend or relative of yours? Just, let it go?

Yes . . . . . .

An explanation would be welcome. Should we ignore police brutality for the millionth time? Why

[edina]

We have a serious problem with police brutality in this country. And it's a part of larger issues. Many of those issues are currently being dragged out into the open.

Police brutality is real. Racism is real. This murder was not faked.

So exactly how are people supposed to respond?

Not giving energy is the equivalent of trying to shove it under the rug.

If riots and looting are not the answer, what should people do?

I am not saying rioting and looting are the answer! I'm seriously asking. What do you tell the young college students who watch videos like this (no links, these were videos my daughter showed me on her phone):

protesters sitting peacefully and getting sprayed with gas
tear gas being launched without warning into crowds that were standing peacefully 50 yards away from the police line
the protests of the shutdowns where ARMED white folks literally spat in officer's face, and were never met with any kind action... compared to the above events


What do you tell the younger generation? What do you tell the folks who have lost their jobs and have been stripped of everything and have nothing else to lose...and now this happens? What are they supposed to do?

I told dd20 if she wants to go to the protest downtown tomorrow, then do it. But make sure she has a buddy that she trusts to watch her back, and to be aware that there are people with agendas that are trying to hijack the energy of this movement.

But that, too, is being exposed. There are videos circulating of a plain clothes police officer that intentionally started a fire in Minneapolis. A couple of protesters caught it on film, followed him, got his face on their camera... and then tracked his social media account and learned who he was. Will this make the news? Probably not. But at least the word is spreading among the actual protesters to be alert for this kind of behavior.

Reading this, my heart goes out to you and your daughter. And her generation who are trying to make sense of all of this.

I can remember when I was 17. I recognized then that my enthusiastic idealism could be manipulated and used against me. Young people feel the energy of the protests and want to be a part of that energy. It feels to them like they are doing something to make a difference.

However, making a real difference takes a very different sort of committed action.

I have personal perspective on this issue from a wide range of angles.
Immediate members of my family have been in prison.
Other immediate members of my family have been police officers.
My Mom worked for the police department of my home town for years.
When she was hired they did a deep background check on her, because another member of my family's in-laws were in prison for crimes related to the Italian mafia.

I grew up poor, and in a roughish neighborhood. It wasn't until I was in my mid-20's that I realized that what I considered normal, was not considered normal by most other people around me. Gun shots were common in my neighborhood, as were rapes. People were ultra-sensitive to being dissed.
Hair trigger tempers could flare into a physical fight in no time and with very little provocation.
Not in my immediate family, but in my neighborhood. It wasn't until I had joined the Air Force and lived in a few other places that I realized it wasn't like that every where. It's worse in the deep inner cities.

Stereotyping of any sort is a big part of the problem. It's how people become divided.
It's a natural human neurological shortcut to label people.
However, one thing that happens is that people will take an experience they've had with one person (insert any label here) and apply that experience to every other person that falls into that label category.
This is also hard-wired into our biology.
Labeling strips people of their humanity, and people feel that. Van Jones talked yesterday of how as a black man, right now, he feels fragile. That was an honest, vulnerable, authentic statement.
People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

The more people understand this and actively counterbalance the tendency to stereotype, the more we will be able to resolve the issue of how we become divided.

I think, too, it helps to make a distinction in that the police brutality problem does not apply to all police people.
There are more good people than bad. A dirty cop is also a criminal. A criminal hiding behind the respectability of the profession of law enforcement. It's a betrayal of trust for the entire community.

Not all cops are criminals, most aren't.

My Mom once told me that one of the biggest complaints from the police during the time she worked in the police department was corrupt judges.

Here's an action that can make a difference. Get to know the local judges very well. And hold them accountable for how they conduct themselves.

Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop.

This takes a commitment to becoming engaged in local politics. And a commitment to actively listening, with an intent to understand another person's point of view.
This isn't glamorous, or high energy, like protesting, but it's an essential skill-set to making a difference that matters.

I remember the riots in my town when I was growing up. Every single one of those riots were instigated by outsiders.
During the time I was in Jr High, we didn't have a single riot at our school.
Riots before and riots after. I have a few stories about these. Riots at other schools.
The reason there were none during the time I went to that school is that we kept a close eye out on the outside instigators, and nipped the attempt to agitate a riot before it happened.

Awareness and understanding of how this happens and acting on that awareness made a difference back then on a small scale in my school.
They could probably make a difference now on a larger scale of cities.

That said, it's very difficult to hold your head in a crowd-mind, or when mob mentality kicks in.

I think people are becoming increasingly aware of how agitators come into peaceful protests and start mucking with people's head's and hide within the peaceful protesters to wreak havoc on communities.

About the video you mentioned of the police officer intentionally starting a fire in Minneapolis? It was viral on social media yesterday. And Minneapolis released a statement that the man in the video was not in their police department. A lot of the videos I saw looked to me like Antifa were doing the main damage.

Today, it's much calmer in Minneapolis and people are working together to clean up (https://twitter.com/search?q=minneapolis%20cleaning%20up&src=typed_query) the aftermath. That's were the real humanity is at, and it's what most people are like.

[Gwin Ru]

Autopsy reveals George Floyd didn’t die of asphyxia or strangulation (https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/30/autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-didnt-die-of-asphyxia-or-strangulation/)

By Howard Portnoy (https://libertyunyielding.com/author/howard/)
May 30, 2020 (https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/30/autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-didnt-die-of-asphyxia-or-strangulation/)


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George Floyd (L), Derek Chauvin (R). Via ABC 5 Minneapolis


A new finding by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office is not going to sit well with folks clamoring for charges against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin to be upgraded from third-degree murder.

According to statement of probable cause (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf) filed with the Fourth District Court, the autopsy performed on George Floyd on Tuesday indicates “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The statement goes on to note:
Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
As the Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/medical-examiner-concludes-george-floyd-didnt-die-of-asphyxia) notes, the full Medical Examiner’s report is still pending, but this new development introduces a wrinkle that is almost certain to inflame passions even more. One is reminded of the community reaction to the grand jury’s decision not to indict Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown in 2014. Anticipating such a response then-Pres. Barack Obama urged protesters to seek “constructive” outlets (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/ferguson-police-darren-wilson-michael-brown-no-charges) for their anger, adding, “There is undoubtedly going to be some form of negative reaction and it will make for good TV.”

Minneapolis has been the scene of four days of violent protest since Floyd’s last moments were captured on viral video.

It is worth emphasizing that this new development does not suggest in any way that Chauvin didn’t play a role in Floyd’s death, and the actions he took that may have precipitated that outcome should still be viewed as barbaric and excessive.

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Did I hear someone whisper "Corona virus"?

No wonder the family is requesting an independent autopsy (http://www.cuzzblue.com/2020/05/floyds-family-to-hire-high-profile.html) be performed... with the rumor that it be done by no other than the guy who performed Jef Epstein's autopsy... this world has shrunk to minuscule dimensions.

A question to the knowledgeable: is it customary for protocol-less EMTs in Minneapolis to wear bulletproof vests when the offending police officers didn't even bother to wear one?

1266393141906726912 (https://t.co/Xfo5rQQuzh)
https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1266393141906726912


Full, very graphic, video here (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+kill+black+man&qft=+filterui%3avideoage-lt10080+filterui%3aduration-medium&view=detail&mid=0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD0C2A76F8DC1E4B43A2BD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3Dpolice%2Bkill%2Bblack%2Bman%26qft%3D%2Bfilterui%3Avideoage-lt10080%2Bfilterui%3Aduration-medium%26FORM%3DVRFLTR)

[Hym]

I was working on a roof in LA, listening to the radio, when the cops in the Rodney King beating were acquitted. I was so pissed that I yelled out "This is going to make Watts look like a picnic". I forgot I was standing next door to a very polite black man who came outside and asked me what was wrong. I told him, without apology, that I knew they'd be acquitted when they moved the trial to the conservative Simi Valley. I reminded him that there would be a lot of destruction going on in response. There was nothing to say except what we said to each other, knowing that we both had to prepare for what we knew would come next. "Take care of yourself", we both said to each other.

I was moving at that time from the hills of Echo Park and remember waiting to load up my truck until it had calmed down some. Before King was even attacked I had recorded cops from the Rampart Division in that area below my apartment abusing the locals, stopping them and making them sprawl on the street for no legal reason, harassing them, and then letting them go. I remember the smoke from the many fires going on in the city and then the aftermath of the burned out buildings along Pico, not far from my roof work there.

I even had a dangerous confrontation with the police when I reported a gang shooting over the head of my landlords son. When the cops showed up they quickly had their hands on their guns seeing me with my knife on the side telling me to surrender it, when they knew full well that I had reported both of the shootings at a house across the street. They also saw that I was dirty from working on a nearby roof and they still threatened me. They said they didn't know that sikhs in L.A. then were allowed to carry an exposed knife, a kirpan.

I was about to find out what's really the F up when my landlord came across the street yelling at them about them knowing I was a sikh, with my bright white turban, now dirty from my work. The Sgt., Zarcone, took me aside and asked me a couple of questions, gave me his card. The cops stood down and took a report from my recall of the car that drove by, turning around, shooting then coming back to do the same just a few minutes later. If you're outside the societal norm, you get the shyte, but no where near the same attacks from authority if the color of my skin was just a little darker from my roofers dark skin.

When would the whole of society stand up when few black and brown politicians step beyond the behind the scenes criminal perks of their office and stand up for real economic reform and guarantees of putting resources into their own communities? I do love the input of those celebs who give back in earnest, but it is a sad commentary that it takes sports stars to invest in their own communities when the politicians are elected and paid to do that alone.

Institutional racism is based on greed and control, thus abject stupidity and a refusal to be human. I'd even call it business ignorance not to involve a whole community in its diversity to work with your business.

You know it's a kiss ass society when we see minorities wearing the historically racist symbols of the masons, which by no reasonable standard are free. They are for sale and not there to uplift those in their own communities. Know the weak cons, the greedy among your own so you can confront them and vote them out, pressure them out of the positions they now hold.

We are all confronted with new challenges that demand a larger show of our humanity and proofs beyond the words. Will the show of diversity on the streets be more than the truth we know about how most of us have worked side by side, together, without discriminations? Will we now stand up to the global tyranny that calls us to think beyond the media and the entertaining diversions and be the once separated ones who bridge that social distance? F'K Yes!

It's likely that someone on PA has said this but it makes much more sense now. It's physical distancing, if you believe you may be exposed. It is NOT social distancing. That is YOUR Choice and your choice alone! (When sharing this with friends, they all laughed. That's not possible if you know me.)

....You may not think that any of this is related, but it all is. The steps we take to stand wherever we are all count when we realize we are or we aren't in this together.

It's NOT social distancing! When the hype train asked you to keep your f'n distance from your life did you just STF Up, or did you step up and bridge the gap, the gaps we all have that must be covered internally and easily covered in the distances of our walking towards each other.

My friends never said that. Social F'N distancing? They are telling you to disconnect from being a human, from not only giving a crap about anyone else, but to not give a damn about your own health, your own studies, your own future income and physical security. And it stands out at this time much more easilly for all of those who have been so accepting of the lies, the media hype, the crap that has taken so many incomes, so many jobs and will likely take so many impoverished lives to come.

What a programming, F##kng psych job that is to ever accept that term when we all need to connect, even way before this plandemic, bio-weaponized b.s. came about. And now? If you haven't gone back to the real school that has hidden the truths about how this society is run, it's time for you to look into it, deeply, with your heart in your hand and your other hand out for the help that's always been here, waiting for you.

[AutumnW]

Hi Edina,

Would like to respond to your above post. I've italicized some of the points you made.

People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

I can remember when I was 17. I recognized then that my enthusiastic idealism could be used against me.

Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.

Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.

I remember the riots in my town when I was growing up. Every single one of those riots were instigated by outsiders.

I feel this is building up to something.

The reason there were none during the time I went to that school is that we kept a close eye out on the outside instigators, and nipped the attempt to agitate a riot before it happened.

False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

I think people are becoming increasingly aware of how agitators come into peaceful protests and start mucking with people's head's and hide within the peaceful protesters to wreak havoc on communities.

Oh oh, it's really building now!

A lot of the videos I saw looked to me like Antifa were doing the main damage

And there you have it. Perfectly played, Edina.

Now you get to play the wounded bird, and I can catch criticism for calling you out. Played this with you before.

[edina]

Hi Edina,

Would like to respond to your above post. I've italicized some of the points you made.

People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

I can remember when I was 17. I recognized then that my enthusiastic idealism could be used against me.

Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.

Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.

I remember the riots in my town when I was growing up. Every single one of those riots were instigated by outsiders.

I feel this is building up to something.

The reason there were none during the time I went to that school is that we kept a close eye out on the outside instigators, and nipped the attempt to agitate a riot before it happened.

False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

I think people are becoming increasingly aware of how agitators come into peaceful protests and start mucking with people's head's and hide within the peaceful protesters to wreak havoc on communities.

Oh oh, it's really building now!

A lot of the videos I saw looked to me like Antifa were doing the main damage

And there you have it. Perfectly played, Edina.

Now you get to play the wounded bird, and I can catch criticism for calling you out. Played this with you before.

Honestly, I've never had anyone intellectually parse my meaning like this before, its a new experience for me.
I've seen people engage in this sort of behavior with others, and honestly, it feels very foreign to me.
It's like someone listening to find fault, rather than listening to understand.

I'm not feeling like a wounded bird. (An inaccurate assumption on your part, in fact, much of what you've written here comes off as a lot of inaccurate assumptions.)

To me, this sort of petty nit-picking is wearisome, but let's take a look at it point by point.


People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

First off, if someone feels as if this has minimized the problem, I apologize. But for me it's not, it's about the expanding the issue into the larger human domain.
I was thinking about this in terms about what makes a difference. Again, from experience. Everyone is a human being first.
I've thought about this a lot over the years. I've seen people suffer from prejudice and discrimination for all sorts of reasons.
Almost everyone I know has experienced this in some form or fashion.


Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.
In my mind, I could relate to what Sarah described. As I said, my heart goes out to her. It was a statement of empathy.
Again, my intention is not at all about diluting anyone's meaning. I simply remembered what it was like for me.
And how at that time in my life I had this epiphany about myself.
I was also thinking about this terms of patterns. Generational patterns and how I've observed this has play out historically.
I'd like to hear from Sarah, if she felt that I had diminished her daughter's experience in some way, or did she feel I understood her experience?
If she felt diminished, I apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to express a sense of connection on the topic.


Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.


Thank you for stating that from your perception I seem to be implying ..., because in fact, I'm not implying that at all. It may be more that you're inferring a meaning. My response was keeping in mind, Sarah's comment about, what do I tell my daughter, I was thinking in terms of what people can proactively do where they live now and in the future, to make a difference on this issue. Anger only gets people so far.

Protesting is one step. But I feel the longer term solutions involves people engaging to ensure that these problems are heard as they develop. I clearly stated that it seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for a good while. And these people weren't heard. I was also thinking about this earlier in terms of my own experiences. People on the street know who the bad cops are. I was thinking in terms of what actions need to be in place, what's happening in a town, policy-wise, to ensure these people are heard. My understanding is that they tried to be heard in Minneapolis and were not. What I expressed I feel addresses that point.

And can be applied any place, where any one lives.

Rioting was not what the peaceful protesters were doing. They were peacefully protesting. And those same peaceful protesters and community members felt their community assaulted by the rioters and looters.

As to this statement:


False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

I have no idea what this means. Honestly, who talks like this?
It sounds like psycho-babble gobble gook to me.

If you feel my comments are irrelevant, okay. Thank you for sharing.





Today, it's much calmer in Minneapolis and people are working together to clean up (https://twitter.com/search?q=minneapolis%20cleaning%20up&src=typed_query) the aftermath. That's were the real humanity is at, and it's what most people are like.

[Kryztian]

The less energy we give to this news the better

Perhaps there are some helpful energies we can give to this story.

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[DaveToo]

BOOGALOO - Plandemic Losing Interest... So Now Here Comes Civil War, Martial Law and the Troops:
SGrwWDIOZ_QI found the glee with which this guy was commenting on this quite nauseating. There may well be a high-level agenda here, of course. But, Jeez. :facepalm:

Bill, I've seen a bunch of his videos now. That's simply his style.
He's a good guy. He gets most of the stories straight.

Watch almost any video of his, and he's got the same smile/smirk on his face most of the time. That's just him.
Easy going. Some people have a more serious tone to their voice/demeanor, Max Igan for example or David Icke.

His heart is in the right place.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I see three braided energies running through the events unfolding tonight. One is the honest frustration, rage and anger at the continued presence of racism in America -especially as it Plays out in the policing of our communities of color. The passionate people protesting are honestly focused on change. The second issue is the unpleasant looting which often accompanies any form of civil unrest or natural disaster. I’ve lived long enough to see and accept that a small number of people engage in this behavior for purely selfish gain. It is never the majority.. The third strand is the manipulation of the situation by an outside force. This last is, in my opinion,the most troubling and dangerous. It seems dark, ominous and tied in with the Covid agenda. I do not know if it is Antifa or something else- but an outside group/force has its hand in the unrest. I fear it is a set up for the next Stage in a bigger plan. I hope I am mistaken.

[Justplain]

Chauvin and Floyd worked at the same nightclub

This incident has so many odd issues with it that eyebrows have to be raised. Here is a list of some of the anomalies:

1) The EMT crew don't perform proper procedures such taking pulse and attempting CPR
2) a video showing the four cops on top of floyd swings to the area of the sidewalk where the bystanders (who took the closeup of the kneeing murder) are and the sidewalk is empty
3) the EMT staff are wearing bulletproof vests (as if they are cops)
4) a video of the riots show mostly white people smashing up a police car
5) the police car being smashed in the riot scene has a yellow 'off limits' plastic tape wrapped around it and no license plate (like it was a prop)

And now here's the kicker:

6) Chauvin and Floyd had both recently worked overlapping shifts on security at a nightclub:

"Derek Chauvin and Floyd worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club, down the street from Minneapolis’ Third Precinct, according to Maya Santamaria, the club’s former owner who sold the venue within the last few months.

Floyd, who Santamaria called a “great guy” known for his big smile, often worked as an extra security guard on Tuesdays when the club held popular “urban” music nights. Chauvin served as an off-duty police officer for the club for almost 17 years."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox40.com/news/national-and-world-news/george-floyd-and-derek-chauvin-once-worked-overlapping-security-shifts-at-the-same-nightclub/amp/

[AutumnW]

Hi Edina,

Would like to respond to your above post. I've italicized some of the points you made.

People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

I can remember when I was 17. I recognized then that my enthusiastic idealism could be used against me.

Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.

Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.

I remember the riots in my town when I was growing up. Every single one of those riots were instigated by outsiders.

I feel this is building up to something.

The reason there were none during the time I went to that school is that we kept a close eye out on the outside instigators, and nipped the attempt to agitate a riot before it happened.

False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

I think people are becoming increasingly aware of how agitators come into peaceful protests and start mucking with people's head's and hide within the peaceful protesters to wreak havoc on communities.

Oh oh, it's really building now!

A lot of the videos I saw looked to me like Antifa were doing the main damage

And there you have it. Perfectly played, Edina.

Now you get to play the wounded bird, and I can catch criticism for calling you out. Played this with you before.

Honestly, I've never had anyone intellectually parse my meaning like this before, its a new experience for me.
I've seen people engage in this sort of behavior with others, and honestly, it feels very foreign to me.
It's like someone listening to find fault, rather than listening to understand.

I'm not feeling like a wounded bird. (An inaccurate assumption on your part, in fact, much of what you've written here comes off as a lot of inaccurate assumptions.)

To me, this sort of petty nit-picking is wearisome, but let's take a look at it point by point.


People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

First off, if someone feels as if this has minimized the problem, I apologize. But for me it's not, it's about the expanding the issue into the larger human domain.
I was thinking about this in terms about what makes a difference. Again, from experience. Everyone is a human being first.
I've thought about this a lot over the years. I've seen people suffer from prejudice and discrimination for all sorts of reasons.
Almost everyone I know has experienced this in some form or fashion.


Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.
In my mind, I could relate to what Sarah described. As I said, my heart goes out to her. It was a statement of empathy.
Again, my intention is not at all about diluting anyone's meaning. I simply remembered what it was like for me.
And how at that time in my life I had this epiphany about myself.
I was also thinking about this terms of patterns. Generational patterns and how I've observed this has play out historically.
I'd like to hear from Sarah, if she felt that I had diminished her daughter's experience in some way, or did she feel I understood her experience?
If she felt diminished, I apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to express a sense of connection on the topic.


Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.


Thank you for stating that from your perception I seem to be implying ..., because in fact, I'm not implying that at all. It may be more that you're inferring a meaning. My response was keeping in mind, Sarah's comment about, what do I tell my daughter, I was thinking in terms of what people can proactively do where they live now and in the future, to make a difference on this issue. Anger only gets people so far.

Protesting is one step. But I feel the longer term solutions involves people engaging to ensure that these problems are heard as they develop. I clearly stated that it seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for a good while. And these people weren't heard. I was also thinking about this earlier in terms of my own experiences. People on the street know who the bad cops are. I was thinking in terms of what actions need to be in place, what's happening in a town, policy-wise, to ensure these people are heard. My understanding is that they tried to be heard in Minneapolis and were not. What I expressed I feel addresses that point.

And can be applied any place, where any one lives.

Rioting was not what the peaceful protesters were doing. They were peacefully protesting. And those same peaceful protesters and community members felt their community assaulted by the rioters and looters.

As to this statement:


False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

I have no idea what this means. Honestly, who talks like this?
It sounds like psycho-babble gobble gook to me.

If you feel my comments are irrelevant, okay. Thank you for sharing.





Today, it's much calmer in Minneapolis and people are working together to clean up (https://twitter.com/search?q=minneapolis%20cleaning%20up&src=typed_query) the aftermath. That's were the real humanity is at, and it's what most people are like.


Classic Edina, just classic. It must be awful to be so blindsided by my complete lack of understanding! LOL

[RunningDeer]

BOOGALOO - Plandemic Losing Interest... So Now Here Comes Civil War, Martial Law and the Troops:
SGrwWDIOZ_QI found the glee with which this guy was commenting on this quite nauseating. There may well be a high-level agenda here, of course. But, Jeez. :facepalm:

Bill, I've seen a bunch of his videos now. That's simply his style.
He's a good guy. He gets most of the stories straight.

Watch almost any video of his, and he's got the same smile/smirk on his face most of the time. That's just him.
Easy going. Some people have a more serious tone to their voice/demeanor, Max Igan for example or David Icke.

His heart is in the right place.

I agree, DaveToo. Jeff's heart is in the right place. He's one of the good guys. I enjoy him and his sidekick, Lucy. https://i.imgur.com/hC0lnrw.gif

There are 283,000 subscribers on his channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDollarVigilante/videos). He covers a range of topics all with the goal to expand people’s perceptions. He shows how the system is not designed for the people. Jeff encourages everyone to plan ahead, stock up, stay level headed, and don’t get sucked into the fear porn.

UPDATE: I see Jeff’s vid is taken down again. YouTube has made it a regular thing to lock down the vid count for up to six hours which effects the overall stats. It also makes it near impossible to trend on YouTube or come up on the recommended section.

[Agape]

The last 30 minutes of George Floyds life (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726)

Now that I’ve read what has happened in detail the whole thing makes complete sense to me. If you separate those many individual events that unrolled in fast succession and speed of avalanche it all could have happen to anybody.

An event with blue note ? His was fake, mine flew away in the wind when I was 9( I’ve related that note accident somewhere in my previous posts), everything is a metaphor.
In Floyds case, the young guy in the store who called cops on him played the key role.
No you can’t blame the “blue note” that someone fake gave you but see the erroneous and unempathetic human follow up.


Now this all event would never get any attention if the cop could actually control himself.

And here we are in the world 3.0 where everyone adult, males and females cultivated big bodies and physical power, too big to control.

The truth is all over the ring if you dare to noticed that. It’s there in violent sports, criminal movies, horrors and sci-fi about monsters and aliens.
It’s in the video games and military exercises, hormones and steroids and all the bulls that have been eaten.


I’m not going to this honestly, there’s no shortcut with it either. We all require some cultivation so do the police corps.

It’s time for change and the change within that is breathing through us naturally needs to be true and profound. There has to be goodness coming through and acknowledgement of mistreatments. Those are more than some tiny “mistakes” to quote.

Street fights and political wars really won’t sort this out. If people and times call for change they have to be allowed to speak their hearts and prove their intelligence.

If the only thing you really trust even more than your mother is “system” you’re duped my friend. Live fish - dead fish


🙏🌟🙏 🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸

[AutumnW]

Unfortunately the street fight DID work, Agape. It was only after rioting began that the cop was arrested. We have to quit saying violence never works when it is sometimes the only thing that works. That's the purpose of armed battle between different tribes, govts etc...If war didn't work it would be replaced with picnics and soldiers would come armed with sandwiches.

[onawah]

I wonder, if the riots have been intentionally sparked by black ops, if part of the motivation is to create scenarios where 5G can be introduced as crowd control.
Link to access Dr. Rashid Buttar's new talk about 5G here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1358655&viewfull=1#post1358655

[shaberon]

It is the interesting and correct parallel about the police and Israeli training. That is exactly what most of them do, there is some kind of partnership. Where I used to live was the first police department to refuse to have anything more to do with Israeli training. I am not aware that very many others followed suit. But yeah, Americans, Palestinians, same kind of target for the good old boot heel.

I will have to go back over the original report of what started this. Something just doesn't sit right about the counterfeit situation. In any case, if they are taking this to the White House, someone needs to point out that the genuine article which this was supposedly a counterfeit of, is, itself, a type of counterfeit. That's what it was, right, a dispute about passing money in America.

Such a note claims it is legal tender for debts, but, a takeout order is not a debt.

The damn thing has so many things wrong with it, the just thing to do would be to throw it away, forever.

If there was going to be violence to the extent of already killing one officer in Oakland and approaching the White House, it would be useful if that was the specific mission, to sever a counterfeit financial system that is not of the people. It has been done before, so we know it can be.

But I have nothing in this and I have no idea who any of those people are since I skipped away from cities seeing them as prone to disease and rioting and so forth.

"Stop the violence" is not really a single, individual thing, or, it is not concrete like if you say replace Glass-Steagall. The fact remains that there is a need for some kind of security force against the general public. Some of them are very dangerous, and, believe me, you'd rather get it from the police than from me. The example that comes to mind is the "if I had been there" moment. That was when the guy jumped in the car. He was shot. The deputies said he should have been killed. They explained how they had been given sensitivity training and there wasn't a whole lot they could really do to him. He was getting picked up all the time.

What he did was he dove in headfirst into the passenger window. This is one of those things where, if I had been there, i. e., the passenger, I might have just killed him instantly. I am not sure. The use of force says at the moment when someone breaks a plane of entry, you can do pretty much anything to them. You cannot, for example, afterwards, chase them and shoot them in the back, but if someone busts in your door or window or whatever, you can twelve gauge them in the face.

So when I see this stuff going on, the public isn't looking much better. We are just simple defensive people who freely admit that we will respond with force, which would mostly be in a manner that the sheriff would say.

I heard from St. Paul it was serious; I am not sure about the rest of it.

[Agape]

Unfortunately the street fight DID work, Agape. It was only after rioting began that the cop was arrested. We have to quit saying violence never works when it is sometimes the only thing that works. That's the purpose of armed battle between different tribes, govts etc...If war didn't work it would be replaced with picnics and soldiers would come armed with sandwiches.

I see. I did not know that. It’s because I don’t go to those places because I don’t have the physical.

I don’t have the strength to defend myself physically or snap back at attackers, in any manner and from years of my monastic upbringing I can but use my Mind for self defence.

So there are places I better don’t go.


🙏

[TravelerJim]

Good thread.

The MN governor yesterday morning said that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. He then walked it back later in the day, I assume after he was talked to.

Barr then talked about the same thing, and even singled out Antifa as a group playing in this arena. I am sure then that Trump and everyone else knows this is an organized effort.

I am sure justice will be done to these four cops.

To me the question to focus on is why are the Deep State operatives moving now in such an egregious way, and wat measures will be taken to stop them.

[edina]

Keeping close tabs on my son living in downtown LA. There is no where near the level of palpable rage in Los Angeles as when the Rodney King riots broke out. LA was literally on fire - smoke everywhere and widespread looting and violence/ Whole city blocks destroyed, people pulled out of their cars and beat. The main difference now is social media - everything is livestreamed, so its a different experience to people not directly on site.Yes. Another difference is that this has gone national. 8 states including DC have now activated the National Guard.

It's a perfect storm: the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income. Now this. It's like something being released on a huge coiled spring. I'm watching some of the livestreams and it seems like all hell is breaking loose. It's extremely dangerous. It could easily be hijacked to escalate it to a different level.

I agree, the coincidences of all this are uncanny.

I was watching all of this unfold the night before last.

Did you see the crowd in front of the CNN building in Atlanta?

[edina]

Good thread.

The MN governor yesterday morning said that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. He then walked it back later in the day, I assume after he was talked to.

Barr then talked about the same thing, and even singled out Antifa as a group playing in this arena. I am sure then that Trump and everyone else knows this is an organized effort.

I am sure justice will be done to these four cops.

To me the question to focus on is why are the Deep State operatives moving now in such an egregious way, and wat measures will be taken to stop them.

It wasn't just the MN governor who was saying that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. People on the street were tweeting this and showing videos.

They were essentially saying that the people doing the rioting and looting were not from the neighborhood. I spent some time watching scores of Twitter videos the night before last.

At one point, there was someone walking around with a running chain saw... (shaking my head)

I saw another video of a tall man dressed in full black with black mask and antifa symbols, walking with an umbrella and what looked like a metal pipe or crowbar, knocking glass window after glass window, for a full block.

It was night, so I guess the umbrella was to keep the glass from falling on his head? (Probably not his first riot.)

[edina]

Scrolling through my Twitter feed and saw this posted by Candace Owens. Seems to fit here.
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https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1266917237769875457

[Chester]

To my astonishment, I searched for George Floyd on the forum, and his name has not yet been posted. It needs to be. Please do share your thoughts, feelings, and logic (if there's any to be found!) here.

:flower:

Perhaps the reason "no one" posted his name is because there's no one left that values their soul more than their current "carve out" of what they call "their life."

[EDIT ADDED]: Note, I did not post about it either, and I see myself as within the set I articulated. I added this for those who might read my post as "finger pointing with the three 'back at me.'"

[Chester]

Speaking strictly US-centric

If anyone is going to start anywhere, every single bit of "this" is the result of deeply entrenched institutional and systemic racism against blacks.

Don't be fooled by the recent "reforms."

[Bill Ryan]

I went to bed last night really very concerned. I was sensing something major that could possibly happen. I know others felt this strongly, too.

There was another night of violence in many US cities, with some ugly incidents on both sides. But it didn't seem to escalate quite as much as I thought it could. However, I just read this report on Russia Today:


https://rt.com/usa/490296-minneapolis-warzone-riots-justice-floyd

"It’s going to be a warzone x10. I heard people are getting assault rifles"

It has to be possible there may be widescale systemic change from all this. Demand for this is now in the air. But it hardly seems likely.

It's a huge challenge for wise leadership, but I'm far from convinced there is any of that to be found. I'm not a Trump-hater, not at all, but he's hardly an inspiring wartime leader.

Whoever writes his speeches for him, he's really simply a businessman. He's no Kennedy or Eisenhower. If the authorities use force to push the big coiled spring back in the box, the box will just explode.

[Sarah Rainsong]

What he did was he dove in headfirst into the passenger window. This is one of those things where, if I had been there, i. e., the passenger, I might have just killed him instantly. I am not sure. The use of force says at the moment when someone breaks a plane of entry, you can do pretty much anything to them. You cannot, for example, afterwards, chase them and shoot them in the back, but if someone busts in your door or window or whatever, you can twelve gauge them in the face.

Except when the people breaking in are the police, which happens way to often. No-knock warrants are unconstitutional and should never be allowed. But just recently, Breonna Taylor, an EMT, was shot eight times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Breonna_Taylor) when police served a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night, and her boyfriend responded by shooting an intruder, who turned out to be police who then opened fire in the home.

Yes, I know that supposedly they did announce themselves. Even if they did more than yell "Police!" as they broke the door down, they were in unmarked cars and wearing plain clothes. Not even in uniform.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

Hundreds gather in Fairbanks to protest peacefully in wake of George Floyd's death (http://www.newsminer.com/alerts/hundreds-gather-in-fairbanks-to-protest-peacefully-in-wake-of-george-floyds-death/article_0081fb48-a2c9-11ea-93c4-6bdd83855c28.html)

“We want to show that Alaska can be an example for some of the people that are hurting in the Lower 48, so that we can get together in solidarity with our other brothers and sisters and have a peaceful gathering,” Colbert said.

Colbert said the march was something community leaders were talking about because of the recent events, but they hadn’t realized how many people were truly being affected by it within this community.

People expressing dismay over Floyd’s death were planning their own type of protest or rally, according to Colbert, which sprung the NAACP and other community leaders to action to spearhead a peaceful gathering.

Police join residents at peaceful protest rally in Alaska (https://www.660citynews.com/2020/05/30/police-join-residents-at-peaceful-protest-rally-in-alaska/)

UNEAU, Alaska — Juneau law enforcement officers joined elected officials and residents at a peaceful gathering Saturday in Alaska’s capital to protest the death of George Floyd.

Violent protests have erupted around the country after Floyd, a black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air.

Juneau Police Chief Ed Mercer said he and other officers attended to show solidarity with residents, the J uneau Empire reported.

“We don’t tolerate excessive use of force,” Mercer said at the gathering in front of a giant whale sculpture on the city’s waterfront. A group sang Alaska Native songs, and most people practiced social distancing and wore masks.

[Gracy]

Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

That IS a great idea, takes away the us and them aspect over a matter that we ALL should be in agreement on. It would turn cops back into people again, but of course it would have to be at peaceful protests.

I wonder how quickly and deeply bold actions like that might spread, and change the whole dynamic of this systemic problem?

[RunningDeer]

Much happening at warp speed. I don’t know if this has been posted here. It’s a challenge to keep up.


https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1266798202185043970

[Bill Ryan]

There are protests now in London, Berlin and Copenhagen. Covid-19 is ignored or forgotten. Face masks are now worn by protesters to avoid facial recognition.

[Chester]

Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

That IS a great idea, takes away the us and them aspect over a matter that we ALL should be in agreement on. It would turn cops back into people again, but of course it would have to be at peaceful protests.

I wonder how quickly and deeply bold actions like that might spread, and change the whole dynamic of this systemic problem?

Forgive me, but the protests' primary target of these specific protests (and party they are blaming) is the police.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Unfortunately the street fight DID work, Agape. It was only after rioting began that the cop was arrested. We have to quit saying violence never works when it is sometimes the only thing that works. That's the purpose of armed battle between different tribes, govts etc...If war didn't work it would be replaced with picnics and soldiers would come armed with sandwiches.

This is something I have often thought about myself.  The question of, does violence work?  I don't claim to know the answer to this question, but reading your post really got me thinking.

We are humans and as humans we each have our limits of what we are able to tolerate and accept.  I think everyone, if pushed enough, will eventually push back, with perhaps the exception of the genuinely enlightened.  I think that is where the majority of the protesters are coming from.  They have had enough.

The problem with violence however, is where does it end?  Once violence begins in earnest, how can it be controlled?  If things escalate and more people are killed, can it really be said that violence has worked?  Violence changes people, sometimes permanently.  Things that a person would never consider doing, in the heat of violence, they very well may.

People whose wisdom and maturity I respect teach that the means become the ends.  Can we really get to peace through violence?  Has it ever worked in the long run?

I understand that this is all very easy to say and much harder to actually live.  Nonetheless, I feel this topic to be an important one.  It is such a big part of our world and has been for who knows how long.  We need to find good, lasting solutions to these problems.

The suggestions that police should join the protesters is such a beautiful one.  I bet that would work wonders in dispelling tensions.

[Gwin Ru]

The actual arrest where the "arrestors" are seen coming from across the street where the police car # 320 is parked on the other street and where the two officers are seen wearing body cams (black rectangular patch on right pocket and on chest) and where Floyd is seen being walked back without resistance to the # 320 car at the end of the video:


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As Bill mentions, the import of the reaction to this event is humongous.

Ole Dammegard (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110970-Biowarfare-Labs-Fort-Detrick-Etc....&p=1355916&viewfull=1#post1355916) counted 39 "terrorist" events in Europe being preplanned to coincide with the Corona virus lock downs. These planned events didn't happen supposedly because Ole called them out in advance and, so, what's left are the civil wars within the US (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103262-A-US-Night-of-The-Long-Knives...-Growing-Close-Very-Close&p=1233875&viewfull=1#post1233875).

The heads of the European swamp are starting to roll according to Greg Hallet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111045-Gregory-Joseph-Hallett-the-real-king-of-England.-Explosive-Stuff-&p=1358280&viewfull=1#post1358280)(queens and kings who do not have a single iota of a right to sign anything since they all are usurpers and "Brexit" becomes a non-issue because "queen" lizzie II had no rights to sign anything with the European Union)

With that, humanity is becoming increasingly and angrily aware it's been had all the way by these so-called "philanthropic" and corpocratic institutions and organizations. Not a pretty picture.

[snoman]

the world is watching you America

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52868465


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[Bill Ryan]

The suggestions that police should join the protesters is such a beautiful one. I bet that would work wonders in dispelling tensions.Yes, it truly is a beautiful suggestion. But the problems go much deeper.

The desperate public death of George Floyd ("a lynching on video", as it's rightly been called) was just the spark to ignite a giant tinderbox of suppressed rage, suffering, poverty, staggering inequality of opportunity, and a thousand-foot-deep accumulating iceberg of legitimate grievances.

When people's long-suppressed anger eventually comes out (as in the first Rambo movie, which was actually a great story about the injustice of the Vietnam war), like the guy with the AK-47 in a shopping mall or a church, or the suicide bomber at an Iraqi checkpoint — they don't care who they hit or kill, or what damage they cause.

Again, look at the closing scenes of Rambo First Blood. That's what people do. And the film explains why. They're already reached their breaking point, and are no longer rational. They just don't care any more.

That's why rational appeals won't work. Emotional appeals might, but it's a long shot. As I wrote earlier, true leadership is needed, and I don't see it anywhere.

As I also wrote above, I'm not a Trump hater: but Trump just doesn't have this in his personality. He's totally the wrong man for this job. And his enemies, both public and hidden, absolutely know that.

I don't think he can control this, or control this in the right way, and nothing in his life experience has prepared him for any of this. He's a businessman, a very successful one, and had counted on the improving US economy (Ha!) being his re-election guarantee. He's now way out of his depth.

This perfect storm does seem rather too perfectly scripted. One wonders what will happen next, because this is only the second act of the drama. There may well be a third, and a fourth, all before the end of the year. And these dramas, when well-written, always have their climax at the end.

[Gracy]

Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

That IS a great idea, takes away the us and them aspect over a matter that we ALL should be in agreement on. It would turn cops back into people again, but of course it would have to be at peaceful protests.

I wonder how quickly and deeply bold actions like that might spread, and change the whole dynamic of this systemic problem?

Forgive me, but the protests' primary target of these specific protests (and party they are blaming) is the police.

Right, and the police ought to be agreeing with them that what just happened is a big, big, big, problem.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

That IS a great idea, takes away the us and them aspect over a matter that we ALL should be in agreement on. It would turn cops back into people again, but of course it would have to be at peaceful protests.

I wonder how quickly and deeply bold actions like that might spread, and change the whole dynamic of this systemic problem?

Forgive me, but the protests' primary target of these specific protests (and party they are blaming) is the police.

Yes. But as so many like to point out, not ALL police or even all police departments are corrupt. If those people and departments stood with the protesters in decrying the systemic racist police corruption, then that would go along way to curtailing violence.

‘It’s not who we are!’ County sheriff in Michigan JOINS march against police brutality (https://www.rt.com/usa/490294-sheriff-joins-protest-michigan/) (cross-posted, thanks fractal being (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111103-Unity-in-the-face-of-chaos&p=1358687&viewfull=1#post1358687))

A sheriff in a Michigan county took an impressive step amid the massive George Floyd-inspired rallies, laying down his protective gear and marching side by side with protesters. His unorthodox gesture was met with glee.
Crowds of protesters had been amassing outside the Flint Township police station since earlier in the day, demanding justice for the slain Minnesotan George Floyd, and venting anger at police brutality. Shortly afterwards, Genesee County sheriff Chris Swanson turned up at the rally, engaging in a candid talk with those demonstrating.

“We want to be with you, I took my helmet off and laid the batons down. I want to make this a parade, not a protest,” he passionately tells people, assuring his officers won’t go tough on them.

“These cops love you, this cop over here hugs people,” Swanson is heard, in footage that went viral.
He then shouts repeatedly “Let’s go, let’s move,” joining the march.

[Forest Denizen]

It wasn't just the MN governor who was saying that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. People on the street were tweeting this and showing videos.

They were essentially saying that the people doing the rioting and looting were not from the neighborhood. I spent some time watching scores of Twitter videos the night before last.

At one point, there was someone walking around with a running chain saw... (shaking my head)

I saw another video of a tall man dressed in full black with black mask and antifa symbols, walking with an umbrella and what looked like a metal pipe or crowbar, knocking glass window after glass window, for a full block.

It was night, so I guess the umbrella was to keep the glass from falling on his head? (Probably not his first riot.)

Is this the video, Edina?

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Maybe there's a better video where you can see the Antifa symbols? seems a bit contrived..

Many have suggested he was a member of the police or fire dept...

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/05/dylan-convo.png

Of course, this has been denied..

[Bill Ryan]

(Yes, that's the one ^^^ )

Separately, this becomes laughable. Like something from Monty Python. :)


https://standard.co.uk/news/london/trafalgar-square-george-floyd-black-lives-matter-a4455596.html

(extracts)

Reverend Sally Hitchiner told the PA news agency: “I’m very sympathetic to the issue but also surprised to see the strength of emotion that has gathered people together.
“It’s showing there are people in the UK who care passionately about the situation in the US.
The protesters did not appear to be following social distancing rules, she said.
and


With protesters seemingly not keeping to social distancing rules, some people warned that such large crowds could help spread the virus.
It's just so staggering how disconnected some people can be. Whoever the editor was didn't read the memo from their seniors that Covid-19 isn't the major news cycle focus any longer.

[edina]

It wasn't just the MN governor who was saying that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. People on the street were tweeting this and showing videos.

They were essentially saying that the people doing the rioting and looting were not from the neighborhood. I spent some time watching scores of Twitter videos the night before last.

At one point, there was someone walking around with a running chain saw... (shaking my head)

I saw another video of a tall man dressed in full black with black mask and antifa symbols, walking with an umbrella and what looked like a metal pipe or crowbar, knocking glass window after glass window, for a full block.

It was night, so I guess the umbrella was to keep the glass from falling on his head? (Probably not his first riot.)

Is this the video, Edina?

ERhMCeLr1bg

Maybe there's a better video where you can see the Antifa symbols? seems a bit contrived..

Many have suggested he was a member of the police or fire dept...

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/05/dylan-convo.png

Of course, this has been denied..

It was a Twitter video, not as long as the one shared here. The video I saw was from a different angle, the lighting was darker, and the man looked taller.
The person in pink was not in the video. I thought he was walking down the block. Not at an AutoZone store.
I separately saw the image of the man in the gas mask, but nothing that tied that image to the Umbrella man.

I haven't come across the man with a running chainsaw again, yet.

Here's Lara Logan talking about

Fox News' Lara Logan Says ANTIFA "Professional Agitators" Are Behind The George Floyd Protests
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Fits what she describes, but people can make up their own minds about what they think.

Key statement here: Follow the money.

[Luke Holiday]

I wonder, if the riots have been intentionally sparked by black ops, if part of the motivation is to create scenarios where 5G can be introduced as crowd control.
Link to access Dr. Rashid Buttar's new talk about 5G here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1358655&viewfull=1#post1358655

… and/or agitating Frequencies are being used to fan the flames of the current protests....

I do recall reading articles that such weaponry does exist and is operational - Does anyone out there have a reference for this




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcR_s-vtsWE

Blessings Luke

[onawah]

The 5G Summit being shown free online from June 1-7 will have plenty of info re the dangers of 5G, ibncluding Dr. Buttar's research.
And there is already plenty of that info on Exomatrix's thread, "Stop 5G Before its' Irreversible"
Scroll down on this page: https://the5gsummit.com/reg-thank-you/ to #4 to video talk by Dr. Rashid Buttar about 5G dangers.


I wonder, if the riots have been intentionally sparked by black ops, if part of the motivation is to create scenarios where 5G can be introduced as crowd control.
Link to access Dr. Rashid Buttar's new talk about 5G here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1358655&viewfull=1#post1358655

… and/or agitating Frequencies are being used to fan the flames of the current protests....

I do recall reading articles that such weaponry does exist and is operational - Does anyone out there have a reference for this


Blessings Luke

[Luke Holiday]

.

https://i.imgur.com/TK7kCMO.jpg


I would like your opinion's: Does the MSM often used photo of Mr. Floyd appear photoshopped to you?


PS I am focusing on the outline of the body against the brick background

be well

Luke

[Bill Ryan]

.
I would like your opinion's: Does the MSM often used photo of Mr. Floyd appear photoshopped to you?
Here's a giant 2000px wide image. It's easy to find. (Do a Reverse Image Search, and then pick out the largest one in the results.)

It'll be minimized to 800px to fit the forum page, but you can download it at its full size.

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1590898509597.jpg

You can see clearly from the boundary of the face/clothing against the wall that it's not Photoshopped. (Image manipulation of that kind involves the superposition of two or more "layers". There are no separate layers here.)

But what difference does it make? Even if it was, no point is made here that matters.

:focus:

[Luke Holiday]

.
I would like your opinion's: Does the MSM often used photo of Mr. Floyd appear photoshopped to you?
Here's a giant 2000px wide image. It's easy to find. (Do a Reverse Image Search, and then pick out the largest one in the results.)

It'll be minimized to 800px to fit the forum page, but you can download it at its full size.

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1590898509597.jpg

You can see clearly from the boundary of the face/clothing against the wall that it's not Photoshopped. (Image manipulation of that kind involves the superposition of two or more "layers". There are no separate layers here.)

But what difference does it make? Even if it was, no point is made here that matters.

:focus:

BR: Thank you for your opinion:

I disagree and believe a very important foundational point is potentially being made :)


Luke

[Bill Ryan]

You don't need ELF frequencies (or Photoshopped images!) to explain the extreme anger that's spread across America, and now in Europe.

If anyone can't understand the deep roots of the genuine outrage, they need to go back to Human Nature 101 and re-take the course.

[Luke Holiday]

You don't need ELF frequencies (or Photoshopped images!) to explain the extreme anger that's spread across America, and now in Europe.

If anyone can't understand the deep roots of the genuine outrage, they need to go back to Human Nature 101 and re-take the course.

… BR thank you for your opinion - I respectfully disagree... especially with the need to take a course on Human nature. :)

1. I was not saying that ELF frequencies are the cause - I am saying they have the potential to be used in order to promote and enhance the effect.

2. The MSM photo looking suscpiciously photoshopped has obvious implications...

3. I have treated patients for nearly 30 years now and I am confident in saying that I have a more then a working knowledge of human nature :).


Blessings Luke


PS: no hard feelings BR - I honestly do not mind the insults - Often it is an indication of being triggered... :)

[Bill Ryan]

I want to help refocus this discussion — if it may be useful for anyone reading this.

One has to look at this from 30,000 ft, as they say. Maybe higher.

America is a broken, degenerate, corrupt nation. (It's not the only one, of course.)

Politicians, police, regulatory authorities, judges and attorneys are no longer trusted.

Within America, there are many millions of good citizens who have been powerless for years. You, reading this, are almost certain to be one of those.

Voting makes no difference. Trying to work hard makes no difference. Saving diligently makes no difference. Being a good citizen, a good neighbor, and a good husband, wife or parent makes no difference. Sitting at home and caring deeply about what you see playing out in front of your eyes makes no difference.

Anger and injustice go hand in glove. Accumulate enough injustice, piling up over the years, straw by straw on the camel's back, and something breaks. The thread about the Fourth Turning is all about this.


The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109915-The-Fourth-Turning-when-humanity-loses-faith-in-its-institutions)

[onawah]

PS You have to register for the 5G Summit in order to see the free videos, but there is no obligation and you can cancel at any time.
Register here: https://the5gsummit.com/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Don+t+miss+Day+1+of+The+5G+Summit&utm_campaign=5G20
You can see the video by Dr. Buttar and also one by Dr. Klinghardt as well in the reply to registration.
If you aren't aware of the dangers of 5G, you are missing a HUGE part of the whole picture.

The 5G Summit being shown free online from June 1-7 will have plenty of info re the dangers of 5G, ibncluding Dr. Buttar's research.
And there is already plenty of that info on Exomatrix's thread, "Stop 5G Before its' Irreversible"
Scroll down on this page: https://the5gsummit.com/reg-thank-you/ to #4 to video talk by Dr. Rashid Buttar about 5G dangers.


I wonder, if the riots have been intentionally sparked by black ops, if part of the motivation is to create scenarios where 5G can be introduced as crowd control.
Link to access Dr. Rashid Buttar's new talk about 5G here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1358655&viewfull=1#post1358655

… and/or agitating Frequencies are being used to fan the flames of the current protests....

I do recall reading articles that such weaponry does exist and is operational - Does anyone out there have a reference for this


Blessings Luke

[Ben]

I've been contemplating the question about whether violence is ever a solution to an act of violence, and whilst I understand the nature of humans to want to fight back against oppression, I just don't see how it's possible to achieve an outcome of peace and a more enlightened society.


An analogy came to me that you can't put out fire with more fire, and equally you can't end a flood by pouring water on it.


These are simple laws of nature, totally unrefutable.


I saw a banner on the front gates of my local park yesterday and it said:


"I DREAMED I SAW GEORGE FLOYD LAST NIGHT
FROM GLASGOW WITH LOVE"



For some reason the photo i took won't upload.


This profoundly reasonated with me, and got me thinking about another question that has been posed on this thread: namely the one of what, if any action we should be taking in response to what is going on.


I genuinely believe that the only way to cause real peace, in the now, and in the long term, is to feel, and to really find the love energy in your heart centre, and to send it wherever it is needed.


With practise, it's easy to do, and the effects are way more powerful than most people believe.


We all have it in us to do this, it just takes belief and heartfelt intent.


The possibilities for real change using this technique are potentially limitless, and this is what i've been doing, as my own personal form of protest, since the whole covid thing started, and now with the riots.


Intruigingly, since i've been doing this, along side being as kind and friendly as I possiblt can, to everyone I have any interactions with, i've been experiencing synchronicities and outright instant manifestations of my thoughts/intents, to a degree i've never before experienced.


We're in the middle of probably the biggest global psychic attack on mankind in history, and I feel the only way to transmute this fear, is through love.



Apologies for this being off topic for the original purpose of this thread, but I don't know where else to post it, and wanted to share.

[Forest Denizen]

Just saw this and thought I'd share..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267107339833925634

[Bill Ryan]

I've been contemplating the question about whether violence is ever a solution to an act of violence, and whilst I understand the nature of humans to want to fight back against oppression, I just don't see how it's possible to achieve an outcome of peace and a more enlightened society.

I posted an hour ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358755&viewfull=1#post1358755) about the view from 30,000 ft. The view from 60,000 ft is that man is a very violent animal, the most violent and destructive of all living creatures.

And squinting our eyes from that height, we can see the hypocrisy of politicians in America who condemn violent rioting while accepting the pragmatic necessity of starting unjustified wars, bombing civilians, and endorsing so many other violent, destructive outrages it'd be almost impossible to list them all.

So if America likes to go to war, here's one right here on home soil. Right or wrong. that's what's starting to happen. From 120,000 ft, it might be societal karma.

I've not seen a single comment from anyone, here or in any media or video, that remarks on this enormous disconnect.

If one wants to take non-violent action, it'd be very very easy. But it would have to be extremely well-organized.


Sit-down protests on every major freeway entrance.
A national strike. By EVERYONE.
Anyone manning a gas station, or working at an airport, refusing to go to work.
Truckers and farmers blocking every highway by driving along in convoy at 5 mph.

That'd bring the country to its knees within three days. Maybe two.

Then, people would start talking. They'd have to.

[Ben]

I get what you're saying Bill, and those methods would surely work fast.


I just feel, that at the moment, it's unrealistic for so many people to come to the same conclusion, and act upon it, due to the fear of loosing more of their percieved securities.


It would only take a tiny amount of the world's population to be doing the sending love type work (which has the bonus of being entirely risk free), for the whole of humanity's conciousness to shift into a more enlightened state of being (apart from the truly sociopathic, who would likely be rendered inconsequential as a result anyway).


Humans are not, by their very nature violent IMO, it's just that we have been deliberately conditioned to be so, and the result is a massive disconnect with the very nature of our true selves.


We are loving, creative beings (why else would we have these capacities?), who have been led into a state of fear and division, to such an extent that, for many, violence is percieved as a just solution to violence.


The view from 12,000 ft would most probably look like societal karma, and that is precicely why we have to move out of that particular karmic cycle of destruction, into one of pure love, understanding, and compassion.

[AutumnW]

Ben McDonald,

We are loving, kind, afraid, frustrated, embarrassed, angry, generous. You name the emotion. We are IT and there is nothing inherently wrong with any of these emotions. What is the quality of being loving but oblivious at the same time, though? We need to invent a word for this particular emotion. The white population, by and large, exist in this kind of place.

And action is required to make us SEE. It's only when we have our eyes opened by a cop casually murdering someone in broad daylight....and slowly, that we snap our of our collective trance. And hopefully for longer than lullabies of love and peace as universal bromides lull us to sleep again.

More than anything the enemy here is a 400 year history of power imbalance. How do you achieve a more even playing field if the very machinery set in place to protect the vulnerable, the judicial system, is allowed to creakily grind to a halt? Or, in the case of the police, to actively harrass and harm those most in need of support? As a minority you rise up and scare the sh** out of the dominant culture/power. That helps to even the score. Just the threat of it happening evens the score.

Can love flow from actions that are sewn with fear? If not love, civility is more assured. Yes.

[Mike]

I've been contemplating the question about whether violence is ever a solution to an act of violence, and whilst I understand the nature of humans to want to fight back against oppression, I just don't see how it's possible to achieve an outcome of peace and a more enlightened society.

I posted an hour ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358755&viewfull=1#post1358755) about the view from 30,000 ft. The view from 60,000 ft is that man is a very violent animal, the most violent and destructive of all living creatures.

And squinting our eyes from that height, we can see the hypocrisy of politicians in America who condemn violent rioting while accepting the pragmatic necessity of starting unjustified wars, bombing civilians, and endorsing so many other violent, destructive outrages it'd be almost impossible to list them all.

So if America likes to go to war, here's one right here on home soil. Right or wrong. that's what's starting to happen. From 120,000 ft, it might be societal karma.

I've not seen a single comment from anyone, here or in any media or video, that remarks on this enormous disconnect.

If one wants to take non-violent action, it'd be very very easy. But it would have to be extremely well-organized.


Sit-down protests on every major freeway entrance.
A national strike. By EVERYONE.
Anyone manning a gas station, or working at an airport, refusing to go to work.
Truckers and farmers blocking every highway by driving along in convoy at 5 mph.

That'd bring the country to its knees within three days. Maybe two.

Then, people would start talking. They'd have to.



Hi Bill, I think man's more natural state is violence, not peace. Whenever there is a school shooting, for example, I'm always surprised that others are so surprised. Jaws drop, and then the inevitable question arrives: how could that possibly happen???

My thinking is more like, how is that not happening all the time? I think it's an absolute miracle that it isn't. It's a testimony to man's ability to civilize himself, and tame his natural tendencies. Perhaps it's a spiritual override, like you once described in the mountains when you explained how your spirit wrested control from your fearful body animal in order to save your friend's life. It's quite possible that humans are actually overachieving in this area, not underachieving. Maybe I've got it all wrong, but this might actually be the view from 150,000 feet. Maybe things could and should be much much worse than they actually seem at the moment, and despite tragedies like this one perhaps we're actually doing a much better job than we realize.

I don't mean to sound trite and philosophical during such a tragic moment, but my point is that suffering can be parsed into 2 categories: tragedy and hell. If we can keep our heads about us during the chaos and not actively attempt to make things worse, maybe we can limit it to tragedy..and a chance still might exist for redemption. If we embrace the chaos and grow nihilistic, things will become hell, and perhaps there will no opportunity for redemption.

I think voting and working hard and saving and being a good citizen does make a difference. It doesn't create a utopia or maybe even a fair world but it just may stop things from becoming hell. If none of it means anything then nothing means anything and perhaps we should all pack it in and start looting and setting the world on fire. I understand the reaction from the protesters, I really do, but that's the easy way out. Plus, it tends to attract groups of people who are much more interested in destruction than social issues, and the whole spirit created by the genuine protesters gets lost..and, even worse, conflated with the interests of the destructive.

If we could do peaceful sit ins to block highway exits and so forth, and the world was forced to have a dialogue, I wonder what we'd talk about. Police brutality? Racism? Poverty? All crucially important topics, but still hacking at the branches I think. It goes much deeper than that, I think, perhaps straight into the heart of hell even. Most of us on these forums have at least a vague understanding of what that hell entails and who is operating it; we've been talking about it forever. But until the rest of the world is aware of it, how can they possibly know what to talk about?

[Adi]

As a collective people, the sight of a man forcefully ejected from this world by the chosen actions of men who stand behind a uniform, possessed by an illusion of gifted powers, which essentially is nothing more than delegated and illusory authority derived from a central force of control which feasts on evil desires—has and is reaching an accumulated state of anger, frustration and discontentment with a system that continues to disregard values and needs which each and every being holds, consciously or unconsciously, as important to their human spirit—freedom, happiness and love. How much more can actually be tolerated? What can an individual do about these oppressive systems which confines us, penalise us, disregards the uniqueness and respect of human life! How does that need to address these issues fit into this game of life; that reason many of us are here to take part in—we are here now, and must indeed remember the importance of taking part in the game of life. Does it mean the only real solution to a path of change is to engage collectively, to bring the system to a stop by the actions of all of us; to choose the actions which cause a result—the opposite to that which propelled George Floyd from this world—to create the circumstances for a response on such a grand scale that forces the powers to respond to the collective calling for change. ....(thinking aloud).

[Gracy]

Just saw this and thought I'd share..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267107339833925634

That's a beautiful thing, the county sheriff and his deputies now have the people on the street behind them, because those same people now trust he's there for them and not defending a murderer.

Talk about changing the overall dynamic, county by county will work just fine.

[Denise/Dizi]

I can only hope that the world will come together for the first time in human known history, and claim their own individual freedom from a system of control. Many do so with their Soul contracts, but they never nullify the fake ones created by the established governments on this planet, they only know contract and admiral law.

Simply intending to void THOSE agreements that you never signed to begin with? Goes a very long way... You need not file any paperwork with any agency just note your intent. And it must be from a place of love.

[kudzy]

For what it’s worth, this is from a friend of a friend of a friend:

Shared from a friend of a friend on the ground in Minneapolis.

So for those of you who are interested - I have no idea how national media is covering this - here is what is happening on the ground from my perspective. It is a long post.

All day yesterday people were out on the street helping businesses - EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IN UPTOWN has boarded up windows and locked down their stores. The 3rd Precinct, which burned on down Thursday night, is on the east end of Lake Street. Uptown, where we live and the 5th Precinct police station is located, is three miles west on lake street. All of Lake Street was looted on Thursday night. On Friday EVERY BUSINESS on Lake Street and adjoining commercial districts, was boarded up.

Many spray painted murals on the plywood - let folks know they were a local or minority owned business. Essential businesses.

Last night was by far the worst night. Protests during the day were peaceful. There was an 8:00pm curfew. Everything changed when the sun went down. There are roving and highly organized bands of anti-government neo-nazi white men cruising the city, breaking off plywood, looting stores, and then setting them fire to the buildings.

On the Northside, which is predominately African American, the situation was much the same. Local civic groups were trying to protect local businesses and homes. there were many fires.

The violence and destruction is NOT being driven by local people. The cars on the streets have either removed their license plates, or have out of state plates.

Here is a post from a neighbor, "Everybody! We need to get our heads around what’s happening, Mpls and St Paul are being attacked by fascist “accelerationist” white crazies. Trying to divide & destroy us.

Accelerationism: the idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world -Vox"

Expect these same types to infiltrate all of the legitimate protests happening in other cities in America. We are fighting an enemy within.

These "accelerationists" burned down the 5th Police Precinct, our post office, every pharmacy. The Wallgreens and CVS within a few blocks of our house are still burning this morning. The grocery stores were all hit. Every bank has been hit. Every liquor store, every gas station. They have guns and accelerants.

When National Guard show up, they disappear into the neighborhoods and have been setting fires. It is a violent game of arsonist wake-a-mole. There is no longer any fire fighting service available - overwhelmed. So neighbors are using garden hoses to put out the fires and save homes. Pictures neighbors are sharing - these are young white men, heavily armed.

According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these "accelerationists" in the city. St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people. These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.

Gov. Walz just said, "If you know where these people are sleeping today, let us know and we will execute warrants. ____ and I were helping the owner of a commercial building up the street - a friend, and two of these guys came up to us. Wanted to know where the free food was being distributed. He gave them an address that was three blocks away. Had no idea what we were talking about - not from here.

_____, the girls and I are fine and safe. Exhausted. Angry. We have not really slept in three days. Everyone in Minneapolis/St. Paul is the same.

So, what to do? Our neighborhood group is meeting at the park this afternoon. I think that they will organize our neighborhood watch to patrol, try to spot fires and get them out ASAP.

Major protests are planned for today. They want the other three police officers involved in George Floyd's murder arrested, they want the MN Attorney General, not the Hennepin County Attorney to manage the case. They want the MPD disbanded and reformed with many alternative public safety and law enforcement strategies used. But the legitimate protests will end at 8:00 pm.

The Gov. and the mayor are calling in thousands more National Guard Troops. We already had more National Guard troops in the city than ever before. They are doing a good job but were overwhelmed last night by sheer numbers. Gov. Walz is the highest ranking soldier to have ever served in Congress and led the National Guard - he clearly sees this for what it is and will fight it. This is now a military operation by the State of Minnesota against alt-right, white nationalists and anarchists that have come into Minneapolis to use the protests against police brutality as cover for their death fantasy.

They are trying to force authorities to use deadly force and "accelerate" the violence.

It is dark friends.

The other side - this morning the neighborhood is out in force helping with the clean up, re-securing businesses. Massive food distribution at community centers. People taking in neighbors whose homes were destroyed or whose neighborhood was so impacted that it is no longer habitable. _____ was in contact with students, many of whom are refugees from war torn countries, that were hearing explosions and fire and sirens - they were calling her to make sure she was okay.

Today I will garden. My flowers are starting to really come into bloom. Vegetables coming in strong. New raised bed being built. Eat some good food. Feel grateful. Train our new puppy Ruth, who is just a pip. Take her to the lake and give her a swimming lesson. Then I'll take a nap. I think tonight will be a long one

[AutumnW]

I think voting and working hard and saving and being a good citizen does make a difference. It doesn't create a utopia or maybe even a fair world but it just may stop things from becoming hell. Mike

Didn't help George Floyd.

[AutumnW]

According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these "accelerationists" in the city. St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people. These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.--Kudzy

So the really extreme stuff is your typical heavily armed right wing Neo-Nazi, according to your friend. Of course the tangerine Fuhrer is attempting to blame this on anti-fa. What is your take on that? And thanks for posting this. It is enlightening.

In Canada journalists are saying Trump's declaring anti-fa a terrorist organization is a way to toss peaceful and or merely highly agitated protesters in prison. And you are saying, meanwhile actual neo-Nazis have perfected their "damage and then scatter' tactics down to a tee.

[Mike]

I think voting and working hard and saving and being a good citizen does make a difference. It doesn't create a utopia or maybe even a fair world but it just may stop things from becoming hell. Mike

Didn't help George Floyd.


No. But it doesn't mean we should then just get rid of it all either.

I'd say: lets hold tight to our values, and not just abandon them in a fit of "who gives a f#ck".

Things can get much much worse than they already are. Much of that depends on what we think and do moving forward. The spirit of my post is (or was trying to be): why actively make things worse?

People want action. I get that. But when they want it at the expense of their own self interests, I can't help but say, whoa, hang on here..let's think about this a moment. I fully understand it's an emotional reaction and emotional reactions aren't always logical; I get that and I sympathize with that, but I don't view it as an excuse to join the party

[DaveToo]

I'd like to weigh in with my thoughts.
I haven't seen anyone here on this thread discuss this yet.

As most understand, the murder was entirely avoidable.
But not as has been expressed here so far.

1. First, why the confrontation/handcuffs to begin with???

It's just $20 f_cking dollars.
You've got the guy's license plates. You can follow him anywhere and track him down. Just let him go, until your adrenaline calms down. He's not a danger to society.

Just go to the station policemen, and talk this out with chief of police and let
him decide how to handle this the best way.
Again it's $20 f_cking dollars!


2. Why did all those officers just stand around and do nothing?
There were at least four police officers there (maybe more) with Floyd lying on the ground. You let the man stand up and treat him with dignity.

He's not going to run away, he's handcuffed!
You have four policemen who can easily subdue him without resorting to any
violence!!!

Why didn't the other police say, BACK OFF to the officer with his knee on his head right at the beginning???

Why did they all just watch, ESPECIALLY when he was gasping for air and crying out that he couldn't breathe!!!

ALL those officers are guilty of murder! Every single one of them!!!

[AutumnW]

Mike,

I agree to a point but complacency sets in really fast. Even if action is only symbolic, it works. The aggreived party or parties are showing that they are willing to follow up symbolism with a real threat, if need be. You can call that a slippery slope to Hell or restoring equilibrium. Many of the current ills experienced by the black community have made and will continue to make inroads into the white community. As poverty increases, we will all be black.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

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And squinting our eyes from that height, we can see the hypocrisy of politicians in America who condemn violent rioting while accepting the pragmatic necessity of starting unjustified wars, bombing civilians, and endorsing so many other violent, destructive outrages it'd be almost impossible to list them all.

So if America likes to go to war, here's one right here on home soil. Right or wrong. that's what's starting to happen. From 120,000 ft, it might be societal karma.

I've not seen a single comment from anyone, here or in any media or video, that remarks on this enormous disconnect.


That is a very good point Bill. Why are we focusing so much on the actions of the protesters rather than the actions of a system and society which have brought about these very protests.

It is almost like we have become accustomed to violence perpetrated by authority and think it justifiable. All those pretty uniforms, badges, fancy equipment and political backing can't be wrong, right? :)

But if your average citizen starts fighting back, he is all of a sudden seen in the most suspicious light. He has no shiny badge to cushion people's view of him. His motives and intentions are immediately questioned.

I know I do that sometimes. It is a hard form of conditioning to really undo and see through.

I agree that the levels of violence are not even comparable. Protesting in the street, even violently, does not even begin to compare to what some of our 'great' nations do.

I think also part of the reason people focus on the protesters and their actions is because that is who they identify with. We are more critical of those things we care about because we want to see them succeed.

Great post Bill!

[Mike]

Mike,

I agree to a point but complacency sets in really fast. Even if action is only symbolic, it works. The aggreived party or parties are showing that they are willing to follow up symbolism with a real threat, if need be. You can call that a slippery slope to Hell or restoring equilibrium. Many of the current ills experienced by the black community have made and will continue to make inroads into the white community. As poverty increases, we will all be black.


have you ever stopped performing an annoying ritual or habit only to find out a day or 2 later why you were performing it in the first place? you took it so for granted for so long that for a moment you forgot why you had even begun doing it, and are then reminded when something goes awry as a result of its absence? i kind of view our values and institutions like that in a way. it's true that they can become too ordered and tyrannical, and a bit of chaos may just be the perfect remedy in situations like that..symbolic or real or both. but imo we should maintain the structure of our institutions and values as we're actively seeking to change them(at least loosely), otherwise we risk being overcome by chaos, and a descent into hell is sure to follow. I'm cool with change and cool with protest, so long as that delicate balance between order and chaos is more or less maintained along the way

[Bill Ryan]

This is very trivial, but I found the original photo of George Floyd taken against the brick wall background. It's actually a pretty good photo, and I can understand why it's become used. It was a selfie he took of himself. It's better when it's not cropped, as it had been quite often when used in the media.

The photo was posted on this page, courtesy of Civil Rights Attorney Benjamin Crump.


https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-family-legal-team-hires-independent-medical-examiner-to-conduct-autopsy/5745577

https://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/2020-05/800GeorgeFloydAttorneyCrump.jpg

I'm happy to share the excellent photo. But maybe now we can continue to discuss things that are important.

:focus:

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Reflecting back on my previous posts, I feel like I am perhaps philosophizing a bit too much and not getting to the heart of this.

That being that people do not want to be treated like crap and have to struggle through their life. The vast majority of us want to be treated with some warmth, good will and thoughtfulness. We want our needs to be considered. Not to mean we want the red carpet rolled out for us, but some genuine, sincere care goes a long way.

I often forget how important these simple things are until someone is either mean to me, or someone sends some love my way.

When someone is nasty, it by contrast shows me the importance of being kind. Like "whoah that didn't feel nice at all, I imagine other people feel the same when treated like that".

When someone is loving, the upliftment I get afterwards is confirmation of what matters. Like "whoah that was so nice of them, their kindness makes me want to show the same kindness to others because of how great it feels".

If you love the person you are with, then they in turn may very well do the same to others. It is like a domino. Love changes people and gives them the best possible chance of being their best possible selves.

Perhaps that is a bit simple minded, but maybe that is because I haven't learned fully some of these simple lessons.

[AriG]

I've been contemplating the question about whether violence is ever a solution to an act of violence, and whilst I understand the nature of humans to want to fight back against oppression, I just don't see how it's possible to achieve an outcome of peace and a more enlightened society.

I posted an hour ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358755&viewfull=1#post1358755) about the view from 30,000 ft. The view from 60,000 ft is that man is a very violent animal, the most violent and destructive of all living creatures.

And squinting our eyes from that height, we can see the hypocrisy of politicians in America who condemn violent rioting while accepting the pragmatic necessity of starting unjustified wars, bombing civilians, and endorsing so many other violent, destructive outrages it'd be almost impossible to list them all.

So if America likes to go to war, here's one right here on home soil. Right or wrong. that's what's starting to happen. From 120,000 ft, it might be societal karma.

I've not seen a single comment from anyone, here or in any media or video, that remarks on this enormous disconnect.

If one wants to take non-violent action, it'd be very very easy. But it would have to be extremely well-organized.


Sit-down protests on every major freeway entrance.
A national strike. By EVERYONE.
Anyone manning a gas station, or working at an airport, refusing to go to work.
Truckers and farmers blocking every highway by driving along in convoy at 5 mph.

That'd bring the country to its knees within three days. Maybe two.

Then, people would start talking. They'd have to.

Absolutely brilliant points of view! Unfortunately? Getting human consensus is like herding cats! And just one question (as a farmer) - why do you want me blocking the highway? I am much more useful growing veg, managing my herds and feeding my neighbors (which I do for free).

[Bill Ryan]

And just one question (as a farmer) - why do you want me blocking the highway? I am much more useful growing veg, managing my herds and feeding my neighbors (which I do for free).

Netherlands farmers' protests (https://www.dw.com/en/netherlands-farmers-stage-tractor-protest-cause-huge-jams/a-50665750) last year. :muscle:

https://www.dw.com/image/50665835_303.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Valerie Villars]

I want to help refocus this discussion — if it may be useful for anyone reading this.

One has to look at this from 30,000 ft, as they say. Maybe higher.

America is a broken, degenerate, corrupt nation. (It's not the only one, of course.)

Politicians, police, regulatory authorities, judges and attorneys are no longer trusted.

Within America, there are many millions of good citizens who have been powerless for years. You, reading this, are almost certain to be one of those.

Voting makes no difference. Trying to work hard makes no difference. Saving diligently makes no difference. Being a good citizen, a good neighbor, and a good husband, wife or parent makes no difference. Sitting at home and caring deeply about what you see playing out in front of your eyes makes no difference.

Anger and injustice go hand in glove. Accumulate enough injustice, piling up over the years, straw by straw on the camel's back, and something breaks. The thread about the Fourth Turning is all about this.


The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109915-The-Fourth-Turning-when-humanity-loses-faith-in-its-institutions)


I want to thank you for this Bill. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference because I did all of that. It does break and well it should. "I've had all I can stand, I can't stand no more." Popeye

[Luke Holiday]

I've been contemplating the question about whether violence is ever a solution to an act of violence, and whilst I understand the nature of humans to want to fight back against oppression, I just don't see how it's possible to achieve an outcome of peace and a more enlightened society.

I posted an hour ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358755&viewfull=1#post1358755) about the view from 30,000 ft. The view from 60,000 ft is that man is a very violent animal, the most violent and destructive of all living creatures.

And squinting our eyes from that height, we can see the hypocrisy of politicians in America who condemn violent rioting while accepting the pragmatic necessity of starting unjustified wars, bombing civilians, and endorsing so many other violent, destructive outrages it'd be almost impossible to list them all.

So if America likes to go to war, here's one right here on home soil. Right or wrong. that's what's starting to happen. From 120,000 ft, it might be societal karma.

I've not seen a single comment from anyone, here or in any media or video, that remarks on this enormous disconnect.

If one wants to take non-violent action, it'd be very very easy. But it would have to be extremely well-organized.


Sit-down protests on every major freeway entrance.
A national strike. By EVERYONE.
Anyone manning a gas station, or working at an airport, refusing to go to work.
Truckers and farmers blocking every highway by driving along in convoy at 5 mph.

That'd bring the country to its knees within three days. Maybe two.

Then, people would start talking. They'd have to.

I would like to begin by stating that I hope Bill’s thoughtful and poignant post becomes a real call to action.

Many times on this forum, I have expressed my extreme frustration on having, what I firmly believe, is knowledge of what is really going on with the CV 19 crises/ global elitists future world plans combined with a dire feeling of helplessness of how to do something meaningful about it.

I believe what Bill has laid out in terms of peaceful resistance will have to be done at some point in the very near future for things to meaningfully turn in “ Our” favor.

I begin by discussing the following quote from the first stanza of Bill’s quote:" …man is a very violent animal, the most violent and destructive of all living creatures. "

The question this comment spearheads is WHY?

I, like many on this forum, have enjoyed the privilege of being able to travel to several countries on this amazing planet. During my travels I have come to the following conclusion : The overwhelming majority of people are essentially the same. Simply put:

They are inherently good, they love their God, family, friends, they abhor war and they to do not want to harm others.

So, how could a being of higher perspective conclude that the human race living on this magnificent planet is violent and destructive.

Bill, as you pointed out in the second stanza:

It is the Leadership of this planet: their imposed system of corrupt governance, and perpetuation of an unbalanced financial system that is putrid, fetid, and foul. The leadership of Earth has consciously implemented systems upon the people that serve as the primary force manipulating humanity into committing incessant acts of destruction and violence.

There is a thread on PA that discusses the theory of Planet Earth being a loosh farm for the those who control the global elite. David Icke’s phenomenal book, The Perception/Deception goes into incredible detail on exactly how all of the world’s major institutions, governments and perception controlling systems are set up in such a way as to promote the creation of negative base emotions/energies.

Because of the overwhelming inherent goodness and loving nature of the human spirit - the cabalist elite must fiercely maintain the ubiquitous saturation of the Perception Deception throughout the entirety of global society in order to cause, create and maintain perpetual human violence/ destruction. It is here, in massively changing global perceptions, that forums like PA are most effective, and must continue.

With that written - Yes, I, 100%, believe that Mr. Floyd’s death/CV 19 are elitist pysop’s created to maximize chaos, obliterate the world financial system and promote racial tension/division through intentionally fulfilling the illuminati mantric creeds of: order out of chaos, along with divide and concur.

The ultimate Endgame is the real implementation of a NWO consisting of Orwellian A.I. societal controls coordinated with a reset/new financial system.

In order to achieve Bill’s list of the most effective ways to resist the Cabal’s planned Orwellian umbrella of societal changes that none of us wish to live under: We must become cohesive, cooperative, coordinated and supremely organized in order to have a chance at succeeding.

The prevention of the above mentioned 3 C’s is a primary reason for: the media's exploitation of Mr. Floyd’s death, the rioting, the massive unemployment, the evaporation of the stock markets, the annihilation of the first amendment through deplatforming on social media, the social distancing, and the mask wearing.

Through masterfully crafted design, the cabal will continue to make effective resistance extremely difficult. We have to be able to see and acknowledge these challenges as they occur and be able to respond in strategic unison to overcome.

Overcome we must - in order for the “good” people of this planet to ever have a chance of living in a truly joyful world.

So, who is going to step forward, who is going make the first move at organizing, planning, coordinating our resistance and movement away from tryanny… It is not impossible – we have social media – we have each other - WE CAN DO IT!!! -

For motivation:

1. Take a look at The Exomatrix thread on the current Resistance movement taking place all around the globe.

2. Reread this excerpt from Bills’ post:

“ If one wants to take non-violent action, it'd be very very easy. But it would have to be extremely well-organized.
a.
b. [LIST]
c. Sit-down protests on every major freeway entrance.
d. A national strike. By EVERYONE.
e. Anyone manning a gas station, or working at an airport, refusing to go to work.
f. Truckers and farmers blocking every highway by driving along in convoy at 5 mph.

That'd bring the country to its knees within three days. Maybe two.


Remember no one is coming to save humanity - humanity must save itself and the only way to do this is TOGETHER.


We are the One’s we have been waiting for….'


If not you - then who? - if not now- WHEN?


Blessings Luke

One final/favorite quote from Emerson/Collier :

...Always Remember...“The love that you withhold is the pain you carry - lifetime after lifetime.”

[shaberon]

Getting human consensus is like herding cats!

Well, I can do that. At least the second part. The first part is different.

So this is a situation where common stupidity sprawled into mass violence. That is what is called in Tibetan Mamo, or Indian Matrika. So we train in this and are usually less affected than the ordinary person.

Floyd was a regular in a store who took his money and decided it was fake before he left. The only thing I have seen about this was another regular, an ex-employee, said it was so bad "the ink was still running". I would guess that is a figure of speech. Everyone there knew that when this happens, usually the person who passed it doesn't know.

So they went out to ask for their cigarettes and his problem really started when they told the cops over the phone he was drunk.

It is a fact that among some law enforcement and medical treatment, if you are drunk or on drugs, you are not human.

The gift of rioting has arrived locally. If it is a protest, no message is clear. Violence with a message would be terrorism. Violence against the government would be a revolution. With no specific demand, it is crime.

We for years have kicked around a list of specifics which we agree on 80-90%. It would mainly gouge the system. The cops didn't make the system. The possible outcome of this is perhaps, what, to save the lives of a few people who were getting arrested? How can one possibly stop them invading the wrong house and wasting grandpa? They may become a bit more careful if they think they might easily go up on murder. But when you target the wrong thing with a gun in a split second decision, this is different. That possibility will never really go away.

[Wind]

Remember.

agNhEAVWtHY
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[TravelerJim]

Great comments from everyone.

There was a great article written by Whitney Webb that the Covid 19 situation was created and managed due to a conclusion made by the US military and intel agencies that we would be in conflict with China and we were quite unprepared in many ways, and that Covid was an operation to make the US (and other countries) more prepared for this eventuality. This makes a lot of sense to me.

Now, fast forward to the riots. I think they were also created to root out domestic groups before things get messy with China. Antifa is one such group, funded by Soros and others. The far left radicals are well rooted and well organized, and precious few people are aware of this, at least until now. It also allows different levels of government to organize their efforts in the event of future social unrest, just like Covid operation set up measures which would allow for future biowarefare defenses.

I realize there are other players with their own objectives so do not need to broad brush things, Gates/CDC/NIH, etc has its own thing going on as an example. And maybe the US/China conflict is itself a cover for other things.

In any case, my motto for myself is: Feel with your heart, but think with your head......

[mountain_jim]

According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these "accelerationists" in the city. St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people. These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.--Kudzy

So the really extreme stuff is your typical heavily armed right wing Neo-Nazi, according to your friend. Of course the tangerine Fuhrer is attempting to blame this on anti-fa. What is your take on that? And thanks for posting this. It is enlightening.

In Canada journalists are saying Trump's declaring anti-fa a terrorist organization is a way to toss peaceful and or merely highly agitated protesters in prison. And you are saying, meanwhile actual neo-Nazis have perfected their "damage and then scatter' tactics down to a tee.



My take is identify and arrest the accelerationists and let's see who is the organization behind them. Who is filling the bottles with gasoline, dropping off pallets of bricks before the 'protest' in Dallas, who are the young white leaders videoed handing out cash and directing protesters where to go and what to do?

Do you recall that several of the Bernie community organizers were left-wing radicals? Like this one?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/14/project-veritas-highlights-violent-wing-inside-bernie-sanders-campaign/




Project Veritas spent some time in Iowa with the revolutionary communists at the heart of Bernie Sanders campaign. In a video expose’ (see here) the Veritas group showcase Bernie Sanders campaign workers who are prominent Antifa activists. The calls to violence are quite disturbing but familiar for those who followed the “Occupy Wall Street” movement, RevCom, or the Democrat Socialists of America; all factions of the same far-left ideology.

A Bernie Sanders Presidential Campaign Field Organizer, Kyle Jurek, was secretly recorded bragging about his extreme left-wing fringe views, calling for violence and death to those who oppose Sanders’ radical policies. Kyle Jurek, who works out of the Sanders campaign Iowa office, has been paid at least $9,775 since starting in his official campaign role. Project Veritas Action Fund’s undercover journalists secretly recorded Jurek’s statements for months; recording footage on multiple occasions where he lashes out against Sanders’ Democratic opposition, President Trump’s supporters, and others.

The recordings give insight into the mentality of many Sanders staffers and what they truly believe. In the video, Jurek details his expectations for the 2020 Presidential election and emphatically states that cities will “burn” if President Trump wins re-election.



I predict the evidence to come out will show that radical left anarchists outnumber radical right 'Nazis' 10 to 1 as the out-of-state instigators in these violent and fire-starting events.

And that anyone defending and bailing out Antifa leadership will be exposed as well.

This is/was a valid protest for awareness and positive change and it has been hijacked by organized, destabilizing terrorists for radical destructive change and they don't mind burning down landmarks and property and killing innocents in their way.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/117/462/original/f40b59bf9e85c562.png?1590974105

[Agape]

Re some previous reflections...

If street fight worked well in America, the policemen would have been dealt with on spot.

It’s kind of odd but the kind of hell of interrogation these people are now going through is beyond my wildest imagination and ways they will be treated till the rest of life.

I don’t believe in prisons and executions. Prison system based on punishment for guilt is very archaic. Punishment does not treat or heal sins.
It only conforms with and confirms the ancient tradition of corporeal punishments by restraint or otherwise.

Prisons should be completely dissolved and turned to therapy centers and monasteries instead, using modern, ethical and compassionate methods to help people fix their lives.

But I can imagine the crowd could have dealt with them on spot, in some countries.


There is no right take on this i can make really, sorry


🐳

[Gwin Ru]

Here is a blue print of how to go about it, courtesy of George Soros' son:


Documents Detail Plan to Create Civil Unrest and Martial Law in Baltimore (https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/documents-detail-plan-to-create-civil-unrest-and-martial-law-in-baltimore/)

May 29, 2020 (https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/) InfoWars (https://www.infowars.com/documents-detail-plan-for-civil-unrest-and-martial-law-in-baltimore/) 1 (https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/documents-detail-plan-to-create-civil-unrest-and-martial-law-in-baltimore/#mh-comments)


https://dhna0nwgp8ihl.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/29065055/Screen-Shot-2020-05-29-at-6.50.15-AM.jpg
Alex Soros, founder of Friends of Democracy


Two years ago, official-looking internal documents appearing to belong to Friends of Democracy, an activist group run by the son of George Soros, described an acceleration of civil unrest to justify the rollout of martial law nationwide. The documents were posted to 4chan and appear to detail a Soros-backed plan to incite civil unrest in the Baltimore area in 2015. The documents also reveal coordination with Baltimore law enforcement.

Documents posted to 4chan appear to detail a Soros-backed plan to incite civil unrest in the Baltimore area and reveals coordination with Baltimore law enforcement.

Internal documents appearing to belong to Friends of Democracy – George Soros’ son’s activist group – describe an acceleration of civil unrest to justify the rollout of martial law nationwide.

According to the docs, the group sought to use the protests over the death of Freddie Gray as a detonator for larger violent demonstrations in the Baltimore area.

Read full article here… (https://www.infowars.com/documents-detail-plan-for-civil-unrest-and-martial-law-in-baltimore/)


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From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.vk8.html):
I had the real version of this, lost it, and could never get back to it. The real version is longer and does not have the post it note on it. However, the text of what is here seems to be what was in the real version. This is what is allowed now for "the kiddies to see". It is enough.

The original was taken with a crappy cell phone cam that had a high noise floor and to get the file smaller I removed the colors in the noise and rendered it to 15 shades of gray. So it is not as pretty but it is 20 percent of the size. Anyway -

Jonathan Soros owns this org. Obviously daddy is involved also, but formally, Jonathan owns it.

[...]

So here is what I have, even though it is not the best (I dredged this up today) and posted it to let certain people know I am not stupid and not hurling false accusations from this web site. They'll no doubt still claim I am, but I am going to drive another spike anyway. THE GOOD STUFF IS ON THE SECOND PAGE FROM THE END.

A "328BG" (referred to in this document) is a burner phone made by LG and serviced by Tracfone


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[onevoice]

Michael Gray's latest blog (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/06/01/antifa-abused-black-lives-matter-again/) shows clear evidence that Antifa is one of the provocateurs exploiting this situation to further their cause. Some media reports in Taiwan and other asian countries are stating that many Chinese are also participating in the riot to ruin Trump's reputation on behalf of China.


Antifa abused Black Lives Matter again

Black Lives Matter lost a tremendous opportunity to begin to change race relations in the US.

Following the horrendous death of George Floyd, the nation was united to change. So powerful was the video that all Americans could see that something had to be done.

However BLM allowed radicals like Antifa to once again take control of the narrative and lose the high moral ground that could have made Floyd’s death a true turning point.

The arson and looting in major cities over this weekend have certainly muddied the waters and disrespected Mr. Floyd’s death. Also the amount of damage to black-owned businesses and properties should also be a wake up call for BLM members that Antifa is not an ally, but agent provocateurs. President Trump is correct in designating Antifa as a terrorist organization.

The insurgency of Antifa into peaceful protests is not an organic outgrowth but a calculated, well funded paramilitary operation. As you can see by this recruitment flyer laying out the terms and conditions for new recruits to be paid and rewarded with bonuses for their illegal activities.

The name referenced in the document, which the recruits are told must be kept secret, is D.A. Donnelly who is the treasurer for Friends of Democracy.

https://grayseconomy.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/a5c06f077b96b763.jpeg?w=540&h=703

Clearly this is a well-funded operation with strong ties to far left organizations.

I assume we will see high-level arrests in the coming days as federal law officials have been tracking Antifa money operations for the last two years.

[GMB1961]

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word. Martin Luther King, Jr.

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind......Mahatma Gandhi

To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him....Buddha

I have seen many storms in my life. Most storms have caught me by surprise, so I had to learn very quickly to look further and understand that I am not capable of controlling the weather, to exercise the art of patience and to respect the fury of nature..... Paulo Coelho

“And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s futures. And we are all mortal.” John F Kennedy

World peace through nonviolent means is neither absurd nor unattainable. All other methods have failed. Thus we must begin anew. Nonviolence is a good starting point. Those of us who believe in this method can be voices of reason, sanity, and understanding amid the voices of violence, hatred, and emotion. We can very well set a mood of peace out of which a system of peace can be built....artin Luther King, Jr., December 1964

As an Australian male watching what is happening now all over the world I am disheartened that the flash point that we see on our tv's and hear on our radio's happens time and time again. Have we not progressed in any other way except violence. I am so sorry that George Floyd died at the hands of a man who plainly didn't care for his well being at all. Im so sorry that the domino affect happens and the entire globe looses their minds, their business's, homes, and freedoms as a result.

Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.

--Martin Luther King, Jr., "Loving Your Enemies," Strength to Love

I hope for the my children's sake that Peace and Reason come back to an already tense world we live in. My condolences go to George Floyds family.

[NX.P]

Nations and even humanity as a whole also have their own karma. They have childhood, adolescence, adulthood, etc.

Some aspects of self culture are easier discussed than achieved. Anger & rage have a subtle quality of power (or perceived sense of power) than can be addictive--being able to stop one's self during the rush takes intention and practice. Without proper care, an abscess of character develops where even the slightest touch can cause a discharge of filth.

[ExomatrixTV]

⚠️ Cruz Speaks With Joe Pags About George Floyd, Twitter Violating US Sanctions Against Iran:
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Armed Leftists Shoot At Conservative Journalists House, Nat Guard And Police Shoot And Kill Rioter:
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[edina]

ICYMI

We're all human...
LyezyOrBEXk
People ARE talking.

Mike Max, reporting from the site in downtown Minneapolis where 150 peaceful George Floyd protesters were arrested Sunday night, talks about the humanity he witnessed over several hours between demonstrators and law enforcement (8:19).
WCCO 4 News - June 1, 2020

Everyone is a human being, first.

(I didn't see this posted here yet?)

[Ernie Nemeth]

This particular event is very fishy, as has been pointed out. The cop broke his neck. Then the very strange response by the paramedics is suspect. And they worked together? And the cop worked at the club for 17 years? Okay, right, nothing to see here, eh?

Then the orchestrated riots, with people looting and burning, provided piles of bricks to hurl?

And now we hear how Soros was involved again in busing in rioters. And of course the Chinese via their youth organizations across America's learning centers, are inciting violence throughout the fanatical left wing legions of young and disillusioned. Not to mention the illegal foreigners who live amongst the citizens but without status or rights, who can only gain and have nothing to lose by engaging in these activities.

If you want to see the actual mechanism at work in society, one only need look at the prisons where the population congregates according to race, creed, and ideology. To force racism underground is only to screw the lid down on the pressure cooker.

This is not about race, although you'd never know it by listening to the media.

This is a class war, a war of ideologies. And if we don't soon re-target our angst in this direction we will tear the fabric of society apart. A house divided and so on...

There is a technocratic takeover going on. It was inevitable, again because of the prevailing ideology. Instead of advancing basic knowledge by allocating substantial resources towards research, we have opted instead toward the development of what we know already - technology. Technology is not advancement, it is merely the turning of what we know into countless gadgets for the express purpose of making a profit. Profit does not contribute to knowledge but to power.

We must take back the political body, the supposed will of the people, from these technocrats. Lobbying must not be allowed for any corporation, only by the acting CEO or other single designated person acting on the behalf of the company and no one else.

The companies and corporations must be divested of preference, for they are already preferable and require no further help.

Companies must pay living wages and must not be allowed to exploit economically under-privileged regions.

We must move away from the fiat currency, and demand payment in the form of rent and mortgage, food and travel, etc. Tangible elements all of us need and that are essential for a happy life. Not dollar bills that can be manipulated.

It is sad to see the youth of today suffering so badly from their own ignorance, wrapped in self-serving rhetoric that is devoid of substance. Like Wade says, hacking at the branches is futile. You got to get to the root.

Again, one must look to who benefits, who gains. Follow the money and you get to the real reasons and motivations for these riots. It is not about race at all.

[Bill Ryan]

Some may not yet be aware of these successive news reports just a few minutes ago. (From CNN, here (https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-01-20/index.html), also on other media)

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Independent autopsy shows Floyd died due to compression to the neck and back, examiners say

An autopsy ordered by the family of George Floyd showed that Floyd died of "asphyxia" due to compression to the neck and back, two medical examiners said.

Dr. Allecia Wilson said, "the evidence is consistent with mechanical asphyxia as the cause of death." She called Floyd's death a "homicide."

Dr. Michael Baden also said that Floyd died of "asphyxia" due to compression to the neck and back.

Baden said that the "autopsy shows that no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death. He was in good health."

Family attorney says George Floyd died from asphyxiation

Disputing an initial police finding, a private autopsy report (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html)commissioned by George Floyd’s family found that Floyd died from asphyxiation caused by sustained neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain, according to a statement from Floyd family attorney Ben Crump.

Dr. Allecia Wilson, who conducted the autopsy, described the manner of death as homicide at a news conference today.

Crump’s statement further calls for the arrest of all the officers who played a part in Floyd’s death and calls for a first-degree murder charge to be brought against Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis Police Department seen kneeling on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes in a video caught on social media.

Attorney says Floyd was dead on the scene

Attorney Ben Crump said George Floyd was “dead on the scene” in Minneapolis.

“The ambulance was his hearse,” Crump said during a news conference where the Floyd family unveiled an independent autopsy.

“Police officers were the reason for (George Floyd’s) death,” Floyd family attorney Antonio Romanucci said. "There are extreme and systemic failures in the Minneapolis police department."

My own comments:


This is important, because in the event that Derek Chauvin night be acquitted (not impossible!), then all bets would be off re what might happen next.
It seems absolutely self-evident that the other officers who stood watching should be charged. Again, if they were civilians and not in uniform, they'd all have been arrested by now. Being police officers doesn't exonerate them from anything at all when they watch a crime being committed feet away from them and do absolutely nothing to prevent it.

[mountain_jim]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-setup-mysteriously-staged-bricks-appear-throughout-major-protest-cities




More Bricks Appear In Advance Of Monday Demonstrations In Baltimore, Texas

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[AutumnW]

“Get tough Democrat Mayors and Governors,” Trump tweeted on Sunday, even as protesters gathered outside the White House for the third straight day. “These people are ANARCHISTS. Call in our National Guard NOW. The World is watching and laughing at you and Sleepy Joe. Is this what America wants? NO!!!”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/george-floyd-donald-trump-black-lives-matter#maincontent

Man, that is some fourth dimensional mental jujitsu the Q crowd can feed on. What does it really mean. Look at the placement of the words as relates to...and etc....blah blah blah. Oh, and the alt right, instead of grasping Trump's pro-fascist attitude will say, "well of course. They have to do something about the anti-fa!"

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ICYMI

We're all human...
LyezyOrBEXk
People ARE talking.

Mike Max, reporting from the site in downtown Minneapolis where 150 peaceful George Floyd protesters were arrested Sunday night, talks about the humanity he witnessed over several hours between demonstrators and law enforcement (8:19).
WCCO 4 News - June 1, 2020

Everyone is a human being, first.

(I didn't see this posted here yet?)

Hallmark moments don't stand much of a chance against hard right violence, in the long run.

[Delight]

My own comments:


This is important, because in the event that Derek Chauvin night be acquitted (not impossible!), then all bets would be off re what might happen next.
It seems absolutely self-evident that the other officers who stood watching should be charged. Again, if they were civilians and not in uniform, they'd all have been arrested by now. Being police officers doesn't exonerate them from anything at all when they watch a crime being committed feet away from them and do absolutely nothing to prevent it.


And what about the "official" autopsy which claimed no asphyxiation? Shouldn't all involved with THAT be charged with attempted coverup ( LOOKS like a CONSPIRACY to cover up).

2020 is certainly illuminating all the roaches. They always lived here but maybe now we will do something?

There is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE culture in which violence is justified "In the name of>>>>"

This culture is now a giant pus filled boil erupting. I am really glad I live in a rural area right now.

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[AutumnW]

Luke Holiday writes:

Because of the overwhelming inherent goodness and loving nature of the human spirit - the cabalist elite must fiercely maintain the ubiquitous saturation of the Perception Deception throughout the entirety of global society in order to cause, create and maintain perpetual human violence/ destruction. It is here, in massively changing global perceptions, that forums like PA are most effective, and must continue.

The human spirit is many things, and goodness and loving-ness exist in different proportions, in different people, under varying conditions. If you take too fundamentalist an approach to man's character and spirit, you end up denying your own shadow and projecting it outward.

You will identify with those you feel are 'good,' united against those you feel are 'bad.' When you are angry, you will try to veil it. When you are irked and disagree, you will continue to try to impose your ideas and your will, barely concealing the source of your profound irritation. If you want to see a monster, look in the mirror. This is an exercise we all need to do.

[Richter]

BLACK LIVE MATTER RIOTS COMPILATION (Pt.1) (3:08)
(imo) The best riot video compilations on the net
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- Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IF2DODTtFA
- Pt.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDR31TSswd4
- Pt.4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Jcf9M8nus
- Pt.5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY_oVz-zt9o
- Pt.6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcfESB2edS8
- Pt.7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDd0kTsFGTg

[shaberon]

Yes, I think the Soros agitation, whether literally true or something very close to it, is the tried-and-true method. Soon, someone who is not a policeman will start shooting the crowds, and then it will get more insane.

Floyd's brother said he was about peace, and so the "single issue", or trigger, is already invalidated. Maybe it will return in the future like an olive branch.

The actual American Revolution was pretty simple because it was mainly an attack on the British government. The French Revolution is much more complicated since it was, initially, a revolt against the government, but then, "this" happened, if not literally Soros, then something close to it. This is why most other revolutions are not exactly genuine, from the arrival of all sorts of masked banditry.

Amnesty (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990312000941) is not necessarily the most trustworthy source in the world, but, their description of Israeli training for U. S. police is pretty solid. Minneapolis seems to have an above average use of this particular technique, 44 ko's by knee submission in five years.

Whatever goes on in D. C. is for amusement purposes; generally, the purpose of being armed is for the security of the state, which is not there, and so if this festers locally, I would be pushed to the side of defense of someone and their civilian affairs. That is what it means, I am not sure that I would do anything for the integrity of the political unit in the capital, but these rioters need to understand that "the people" will be a far worse threat to them than the police. In the inner cities, they are somewhat disarmed, but I would not be the least bit surprised if we hear for instance of Texas vigilantes. Or, if Posse Comitatus vanishes, and the 101st Airborne does their version of crowd control as has been suggested.

[fractal being]

WOW This has just turned ugly...


President Donald Trump said he would mobilize “all available federal resources, civilian and military” to clamp down on protests across the country, declaring himself the “president of law and order” as police aggressively dispersed protesters gathered outside the White House. Trump said he was dispatching the military across Washington, D.C., and urged governors nationwide to “dominate” their streets with National Guard deployments. If they refused, he said, he would send in troops to American cities.
The adress starts at 28:30. I think the video was purposefully set to record for that long before the address so one could hear the flashes and bangs outside the WH.
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[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1358887]Some may not yet be aware of these successive news reports just a few minutes ago. (From CNN, here (https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-01-20/index.html), also on other media)

~~

Independent autopsy shows Floyd died due to compression to the neck and back, examiners say

An autopsy ordered by the family of George Floyd showed that Floyd died of "asphyxia" due to compression to the neck and back, two medical examiners said.

Dr. Allecia Wilson said, "the evidence is consistent with mechanical asphyxia as the cause of death." She called Floyd's death a "homicide."

Dr. Michael Baden also said that Floyd died of "asphyxia" due to compression to the neck and back.

Baden said that the "autopsy shows that no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death. He was in good health."

Family attorney says George Floyd died from asphyxiation

Disputing an initial police finding, a private autopsy report (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html)commissioned by George Floyd’s family found that Floyd died from asphyxiation caused by sustained neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain, according to a statement from Floyd family attorney Ben Crump.

Dr. Allecia Wilson, who conducted the autopsy, described the manner of death as homicide at a news conference today.

Crump’s statement further calls for the arrest of all the officers who played a part in Floyd’s death and calls for a first-degree murder charge to be brought against Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis Police Department seen kneeling on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes in a video caught on social media.

Attorney says Floyd was dead on the scene

Attorney Ben Crump said George Floyd was “dead on the scene” in Minneapolis.

“The ambulance was his hearse,” Crump said during a news conference where the Floyd family unveiled an independent autopsy.

“Police officers were the reason for (George Floyd’s) death,” Floyd family attorney Antonio Romanucci said. "There are extreme and systemic failures in the Minneapolis police department."

My own comments:

This is important, because in the event that Derek Chauvin night be acquitted (not impossible!), then all bets would be off re what might happen next.
It seems absolutely self-evident that the other officers who stood watching should be charged. Again, if they were civilians and not in uniform, they'd all have been arrested by now. Being police officers doesn't exonerate them from anything at all when they watch a crime being committed feet away from them and do absolutely nothing to prevent it.
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I have included Bill';s entire post for comparison of the states vs the family's private autopsy:

I just wanted to add some perspective by incuding initial state medical investigations to this discussion :

I highlighted the initial state medical examiners reports with emphasis on the toxicology report - from a recent AP article - likely the same or a very similar article that Bill is quoting from: =

The independent examiners found that weight on Floyd's back, the handcuffs and the positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Floyd's diaphragm to function.


Later Monday, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office released its initial findings of their autopsy and also declared Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "a cardiopulmonary arrest whilebeing restrained by law enforcement officer(s)."
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The medical examiner's preliminary report, however, said Floyd had "other significant conditions," including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, a fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use."


.. Now from the independent examiner:

Wilson said toxicology reports and other examinations are still ongoing and acknowledged that since they conducted a second autopsy, as the medical examiner had done one previously, they did not have access to Floyd's tissue samples in their original state.


A few comments:

1. The fact that the state Medical Examiner's toxicology report reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth on board are vitally important for two reasons:

A. The fact that you have narcotic intoxication combined with an extremely powerful street stimulant on board are very strong contributing factors to cause of death which will be used by the defense at trial. (Note these are very strong contributing factors for both asphyxiation or cardiopulmonary arrest)

B. It Contributes favorably to the Black/White tension issue as the white community may view Mr. Floyd as a drug addict who was caught using counterfeit money, followed by resisting arrest, while intoxicated and unfortunately died while the police were simply doing their job as they were trained to do it. (No judgement here, these are just the facts as portrayed by the MSM/police reports and...

Once again this will be used by the defense in trial

2. It will be interesting to see what the family examiner's toxicology report reveals. I believe that the fate of the case will rest on this report.... If it is that same as the state's report - he walks - resulting in massive civil unrest


3. I would be extremely surprised if the Defendant was found guilty based on these toxicology reports combined with:

A. Evidence of the officers using the technique/procedures they have trained to use in these situations. (If it is proven that they did not use proper technique/ procedures which directly contributed to the Medical examiners cause of death - He will likely be convicted)

B. The massive civil unrest that will likely occur if he is acquitted - would obviously grease the wheels of the Cabal's future plans. (Now this could also work in the favor of the accused being convicted … as ensueing chaos would be avoided. - it all depends on the presented evidence and who is making the descisions).


C: Also as an aside: once again I am very curiously suspicious of the new MSM Mr Floyd photo in front of a Corona sign looking photoshopped. I know Bill calls it a trivial matter - but is it? - Perhaps it is only meant for those with eyes to see - food for thought :) (Also I am unable to upload the photo? ) Here are 2 links which contains the photo:

https://www.fox9.com/news/4-minneapolis-police-officers-identified-in-death-of-george-floyd

https://www.diariopanorama.com/noticia/352050/quien-era-george-floyd-cuyo-asesinato-desato-protestas-todo-estados-unidos

Blessings Luke

[Mark]

A wide-ranging and informative conversation. Thank you, one and all, for adding this to the discussion and ongoing record of Project Avalon. I can always count on PA to "bring the noise" and express a diverse array of opinions and potentialities.

I spent quite a bit of time discussing Racism in a thread of Bill's creation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism&highlight=racism).

During that discussion, some of the issues we see burning cities across America were brought to the fore and debated. A lot of valuable comments were made and some in-depth discussion and exploration occurred.

I was happy to engage and to share what some of y'all might consider a Social Justice Warrior's (SJW) position but which I claim as a balanced, realistic perspective of what racism is and how it has been deployed to contribute so mightily to our collective understanding of who and what we and our tribes are in this world fraught with pain and heartache.

Both sides of the American coin are jacked, the left and the right, the front and the back. Each exploits the people in similar and different ways. In the end, we all Government Issue (GIs), born into an experimental state of being at multiple levels of interdimensional reality.

I claim direct experience. I'm an Experiencer. Just like some of you. Not just of what racism looks like, feels like, acts and seems like and pretends to be like - in the United States of America and also in other places around the world I have lived - but of what racism is and what kind of lifestyle and psychological state its effects reduce those of us exposed to it to. I'm also an Experiencer of the 5th Kind as well as other, potentially military-involved abduction scenarios.

I don't talk about that as it's not all clear to me and its not the point here, only an aside to my deeper experiential understanding of the perceived Out-group reality.

I see a lot of valid considerations in this thread, a lot of potentialities. I think it is possible that Bad Actors on all sides are having a field day, be they Nazis or Antifa. And that people truly concerned with justice and equity will bear the brunt of their extremism.

I haven't watched the video. Don't need to.

I've been taken off a train and escorted back across the American/Canadian by 3 border cops and a dog. Ive spent a night in jail. I've been pulled over many times, ticketed and warned, and only my nature, which y'all here are intimately familiar with, allowed me to get through most of these encounters not only with my life but with sympathetic and reasonable interactions with all law enforcement officers involved. I know the fear George Floyd felt, the taste of copper in his mouth when the interaction began and can clearly empathize with what he may have felt when he fell beneath the treatment he received from those cops.

Not everyone is me. Not every black or brown person speaks like I do or has my demeanor and yet even I have gone off on a cop in a situation where the engagement was unreasonable and inequitable. I'd say that only the presence of my white wife saved me in that instance, judging by the look of hatred and rage that officer cast in my direction before stalking back to his vehicle.

All of that said to say, it is always a crap shoot. Always a mystery, how any interaction of black men with law enforcement is going to go.

And if Floyd knew Chauvin from working the club and they had beef? That normalizes and trivializes the entire event even more as just another day in America. But it was not, was it.

I wrote this article and shared our story here in San Marcos, TX not to cast any more kindling upon the flames. That is not who I am nor what I want. I want America to be all it can truly be, which means this dichotomy that separates us, burning higher on the MSM alter of loosh extraction that keeps us at each other's throats, has to be chipped at and blasted away and, sometimes, it takes big events to make big changes.

None of these folks knew how that day was going to go. This event was not big. This was one man. One event in one city.

But its effects will affect us all.

Cite, Release, George Floyd and Misdemeanors: what is it going to take? (https://medium.com/@mrknthnyrckymr/cite-release-george-floyd-and-misdemeanors-what-is-it-going-to-take-e2ee248604e0)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49961747806_08b4365bda_w.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j7X1YW)[/url]

So yeah, that’s me.

The black guy. Up there in the top left. Next to me is [URL="http://sanmarcostx.gov/1739/Jocabed-Joca-Marquez"]Jocabed Marquez (https://flic.kr/p/2j7X1YW), below me, friend and mentor Melissa Derric (http://sanmarcostx.gov/408/Melissa-Derrick---Place-6)k and next to her, new San Marcos (https://www.tourtexas.com/destinations/San-Marcos) City Council Member, Maxfield Baker (http://sanmarcostx.gov/3024/17156/Maxfield-Baker--Place-1).

We have all been elected and re-elected in the past 2 years, part of a new wave of politicians rising Deep in the Heart of Texas, in the past 7 years or so. We represent change through direct action, the manifestation of the hearts and souls of the growing majority of mainstreamed, marginalized and melanated bodies and tribes of Texas rising to claim our state and our lives as our nation struggles with its Original Sin (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/slavery-myths-seven-lies-half-truths-and-irrelevancies-people-trot-out-about-slavery-debunked.html), once again.

I’m not interested in going too deeply into the details of what has happened this time around, the entire world knows already and there are legions of those addressing the ongoing violence and collective reckoning. Another Great Soul has left the planet and we are left to understand the message his passing has left with us.

George Floyd (https://news.sky.com/story/who-was-george-floyd-the-gentle-giant-who-loved-his-hugs-11997206#:~:text=Mr%20Floyd%20was%20an%20unarmed,to%20turn%20his%20life%20around.) and the Litany of Black Sacrifices (https://newsone.com/playlist/black-men-boy-who-were-killed-by-police/) have sunk into the collective consciousness of white America, not that our shining souls and collective black American selves haven’t always had a place there since the beginning. Since the beginning, that is, of this nation’s cultural war against blackne-I mean, badness, because everything is dichotomized in America, is it not? Those of us who live here know her. We know how Lady Liberty simpers in her long gowns with her drawers hanging from her torch, casting a knowing wink back at her French builders then looking forward to her American rapists, knowing full well that their ethical compromises set this nation on a course way back then that had to be reconciled someday in some way.

We’re the bad guys, to some. We’re the folks who want criminals to walk the streets, according to this Wanted poster. We’re the ones that, apparently, are lawless demogogues undermining Law and Order and contributing to Lawlessness. That’s how it was framed in the image I included in this writing, apparently sanctioned by a high-ranking member of the city’s Police Association.
Obviously we are not that. We are, instead, the ones who did not want to see another day like the days that we’ve been collectively experiencing lately.

The kind of day that has been coming and that is also here. Every day these days it seems we bear witness to yet another offense against the soul and the psychological underpinnings of anyone who considers themselves to be a good human. Because not everybody does, right? Nor should they, the world requires dark and light — another dichotomy — to keep on rolling. It requires sacrifice upon the Alter of Polarity and just as it is with atoms and molecules, the fundamental forces of creation, all material manifestation arises from deep, abiding blackness into sharp, revealing white light. From the absence of all color to the presence of all possible shades and hues, so the flow of our lives mirror creation in the natural world itself.

My fellow Council Members and I have been working on Criminal Justice Reform in the city of San Marcos, 20 minutes south of Austin and 45 north of San Antonio, since August of last year. The activist organization Mano Amiga brought it to the table when it was made clear that the police here had the same problem as pretty much every law enforcement organization in the nation with the equitable distribution of justice to its entire population.

We’re not in this to “win” this, persay. We’re not trying to release all criminals. Far from it. We are in this because we are this and this is all that we can do. We are in this to find a way through this morass, a swamp 400 years in the making and, simultaneously, re-center the focus of this system so that it comes through for as many people as possible no matter how they look. We stand to speak out and act out in ways that ensure that everyone’s access to equal justice is assured.
Just like many of you are doing, wherever you are in your life right now.

While our police situation here in San Marcos has not had any high profile cases that we are now reeling from nationally, there have of course been injustices over the years and what came to light last summer was the belated statistical acknowledgement that blacks and browns didn’t receive the same consideration by law enforcement as whites. A problem we here in San Marcos decided to attack last summer.

Each and every one of you out here or in there, protesting or watching, sharing or holding it all in, weeping and raging, engaged in the tumult of direct confrontation or playing the long game of working through whatever part of the system you contact, on the daily, in your myriad and indivisible ways or being black, brown, yellow, red and white in the world, designations which are now more meaningless than they ever have been before, is a part of this change. We were born for these times and we are all on point, doing what we are supposed to be doing.

But you can do more.

I got involved with another council member now running for County Commissioner, Lisa Prewitt (https://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/news/prewitt-run-county-office), when we were invited to a meeting of County Law Enforcement to discuss and update a local interpretation of the state’s 2007 Cite and Release law, allowing people who had committed certain Class C, B and A misdemeanors to be cited rather than arrested. We sat with citizens, with community lawyers and activists, with police chiefs and a magistrate judge for 8 months, hammering out a potential Resolution or Ordinance that was more or less agreeable to all parties and we passed it.
4 city council members to 3. Even the council members and most of the citizens who did not approve of the Ordinance wanted it to be a Resolution. But the majority wanted to provide guidance to officer discretion so that events like the one that just took the life of George Floyd would not happen.

According to Texas Penal Code § 32.21 (https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-32-21.html), possession and transfer of a Counterfeit bill is “…a Class C misdemeanor if the value of the property or service is less than $100…”.

Y’all get that?

If George had been in San Marcos and the officers of THIS city had been FOLLOWING THE LAW then he should have been released with a citation. NOT held down and KILLED over groceries.

We seek, here in San Marcos, to continue, alongside our County, Hays, to implement Cite and Divert, where individuals encountering law enforcement on what may be the worst day of their lives don’t even get put in the system at all as a criminal case. Then, we seek to assay the Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion (LEAD) program (https://www.leadbureau.org/#:~:text=Law%20Enforcement%20Assisted%20Diversion%20(LEAD,who%20participate%20in%20the%20program.) as a way by which officers and counselors can assist folks in the grip of addiction of any kind, help, which they need right there on the scene of the encounter, rather than arrest, criminalization and a descent into further and more abiding despair.

A full slate of criminal justice reforms are necessary and I don’t mind if y’all take a page from what we’re doing and bring it to your cities, towns and villages. Let’s make this a national campaign. Let’s do whatever it is we can do, however we can do it, to make sure that we are paying attention before the terrible events happen, before more lives are lost. Despite how it may seem sometimes, it is possible to change the system if you really try. If you elect politicians that mean it. If you hold your city’s police department accountable and make them share the numbers and, if they don’t add up to equity, make them change! Demand that they change!

Do what you have to do to make this a better world.

I didn’t get in this for fame and fortune, I stood up for my city when my peers and mentors called me to do so. I know there are many others out there right now who have been and are doing the same. Because it is our time. Our time to make the changes and be the change that we’ve wanted to bear witness to. Instead of just sitting and watching, which is life as usual for many of us, many, many of you are out there in the streets, railing against the negative externality of a predatory capitalist system that requires blood to continue its remorseless clacking into a mechanistic and transhumanistic future.

We only get one of these as the people we are. 3-score and 10 some say, then out like a light, a cacaphony of “sound and fury” we are, as the old school poet Shakespeare once wrote. You gotta make it count and do it for your children and your children’s children. If you don’t have kids, do it for your sister’s kids, your friend’s kids, your neighbor down the hall’s bad-ass rug rats who have to live in this world that we have furthered in its ends and upheld in its dysfunction in our myriad and unequally culpable ways down through the centuries.

Because if we don’t do it, who will?

Those folks looking back across at you, from behind police shields and canted tear-gas containers, prepared to further disturb your peace?

[DaveToo]

I'd just like to add one more observation that I just made.
I thought about it last night and checked the video now.

No one here has commented on it as far as I know and I feel it is quite significant.

Watch the first minute of the video when the police arrive on the scene and enter the convenience store.

Watch it carefully and think to yourself the following:

a) George is sitting in his vehicle on a street adjacent to the convenience store.
A door is open on the passenger side.
What is going on there? Why is the door open?
Why is George sitting around in his vehicle?
George either knew he passed off a counterfeit bill, or he didn't.
If he knew he did, would he sit around casually in his vehicle or would he drive off right away?
I would think he would drive off right away, if he knew he had passed a counterfeit bill.
So my bet at this point would be that he didn't know he gave a counterfeit bill.

b) Now this is REALLY interesting!
The cops come out of the store fairly quickly and immediately know exactly where to go! They beeline it straight to George's vehicle.
How is that possible?
That is a busy intersection. Lots of traffic and cars parked on both sides of the intersecting streets.
How did they know where George was sitting?
Did the convenience store have outside cameras in all directions?
Did the store clerk, recognize immediately that the bill was counterfeit and then follow George live through the camera, or re-wind the tapes to find where he went?
If the store didn't have a camera on its side and to the back, then how could the cops have known where to go right away?

[Luke Holiday]

From DaveToo's post


George is sitting in his vehicle on a street adjacent to the convenience store.
A door is open on the passenger side.
What is going on there? Why is the door open?
Why is George sitting around in his vehicle?
George either knew he passed off a counterfeit bill, or he didn't.
If he knew he did, would he sit around casually in his vehicle or would he drive off right away?
I would think he would drive off right away, if he knew he had passed a counterfeit bill.
So my bet at this point would be that he didn't know he gave a counterfeit bill...



I could not agree more that many things about this case are curiously suscpicious - but if I were Prosecuting attorney ….

… (Taken directly from the AP news article) The medical examiner's preliminary report, however, said Floyd had "other significant conditions," including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, a fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use."

With this on board who is to say what would be " normal" behavior
…

Blessings Luke

[GMB1961]

I have seen all types of conflict and with each incursion that happens between families, armies, countries and in most cases the world nothing is ever the same or changes as a result of the conflict. At every level of your society, from the personal to the international scale, treaties and peace agreements that are signed are a falsehood where a power imbalances exist; thus true peace cannot exist, only more and less violent forms of war, and this fact is key to evolving our era and how it directly affects your lives. Thus to rid ourselves of the money-nexus, to establish a society run with love as its first principle, is a prerequisite of true peace.

The truth is...you can only identify your friends by the content of their character, by how they love you and seek to see the world through the perspectives of the oppressed, poor and hungry. Your friends can have any ethnicity and be from any economic class. So tune out the speech of hate and tune in the stories of tyranny and violence - then follow the development of traumatised populations and see them through the lens of compassion. We are born to thrive together as one species and to both listen and see through our hearts. We do not inherit the sins of our fathers, but if we have inherited privilege then it is our duty to help others and remove power dynamics. I am only free when we all are. I only have peace internally and externally when we all do.

Let's shift our idea of what chaos is, because it shifts how we relate to freedom. For when we do this the arguments of libertarian vs authoritarian fall mute. It is obvious, or should be, that a complex global society needs people with great organisational skills who are deeply humanitarian and committed to fairness and peace to take positions of service. Thus, the greater the ability the deeper the service role they can volunteer for or be asked to consider. This performs the tasks of government without any notion of power, for their only right to perform the task comes from the trust the community places in them. Thus, when we have an improved form of democracy of deeply empathic and analytical intellectuals to service institutes there is real freedom for all. We have all the structures available to thrive and be organised, yet everyone is free to choose their own path in the system, everyone with good food and shelter as a right rather than as a thing to "earn."

This is compatible with modern brain science, for when we are free of need our brains become capable of being part of a socially complex society with self control and desiring to follow a passion, to develop the self as an individual and work for the benefit of others. Thus, this is chaos organised so intelligently that the order comes from the best parts of our human nature. In a good environment we are all good, not from external force but internal emotions and needs - that's when we have a lasting peace and a thriving planet. If we imagine what we have now as a triangle, the most powerful at the top and the least at the bottom; this is flipping it over to have most service at the bottom and most vulnerable at the top. And this is done alongside making resource allocation both fair and separate from this system of service roles. We can still have a Queen, her role is to serve and protect, the same comes of other roles - true service, wise "chiefs" without ego, noble and self-sacrificing - real heroes.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one...................John Lennon. Musician.


I agree that Black Lives Matter, but I further believe that ALL LIFE MATTERS REGARDLESS OF ETHNICITY. :heart:

[helium]

You will identify with those you feel are 'good,' united against those you feel are 'bad.' When you are angry, you will try to veil it. When you are irked and disagree, you will continue to try to impose your ideas and your will, barely concealing the source of your profound irritation. If you want to see a monster, look in the mirror. This is an exercise we all need to do.

I like the way you think, AutumnW.

I stumbled on this tonight and was thinking how much I enjoyed hearing from a police chief forced into an interview situation where he has to answer a very difficult, emotionally charged question.

I think he did a pretty good job of it.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/01/houston-police-chief-art-acevedo-trump-mouth-shut-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[Richter]

Trump tells governors to 'dominate' protesters on leaked audio recording (8:09)
President Donald Trump, agitated and distressed after three nights of violent protests in dozens of cities across the country,
including outside of his home, told the nation's governors in a video teleconference Monday to aggressively target violent protesters.

"You have to dominate or you'll look like a bunch of jerks, you have to arrest and try people," the President told the governors
in a call from the basement White House Situation Room, according to an audio recording of the call obtained by CNN.
(Starts at 1:01)
3er8nULW1t0

[shaberon]

I was happy to engage and to share what some of y'all might consider a Social Justice Warrior's (SJW) position but which I claim as a balanced, realistic perspective of what racism is and how it has been deployed to contribute so mightily to our collective understanding of who and what we and our tribes are in this world fraught with pain and heartache.


This has many angles.

To some extent, America has always had a type of non-racist equality platform. In the beginning, it was, perhaps, difficult and rare for blacks to become free land owners, but it happened. And we can find from among these, that, for example, Marcus Garvey was dedicated to Eugenics.

This has an older Platonic meaning, "good breeding", which is what Garvey had in mind. Modern Eugenics is a different beast more like ethnic cleansing. When the Statue of Liberty went up, a huge stream of refugees came from Italy--in fact they were automatically granted political asylum due to the papal wars. But around the turn of 1900 we can find a couple things:

Ivy League such as Harvard, Yale, etc., re-established dead Greek words such as moron, imbecile, and idiot as poor ranks in eugenics. This was mainly aimed as the "Meds" or Italians and other southern Europeans, along with laziness and other character disorders. Its teaching was heavily adopted by Sweden and Germany. Then there was also basically the first public racist propaganda to arouse support for a capitalist war. The Boer War was generally known to have nothing to do with security but was about private fortunes, and it used the relatively new, modern printing presses to broadcast messages mainly about Dutch and Germans equating them to animals.

It turns out to be true that modern, institutionalized racism stems from mostly British white people ranting against other white people.

I might also say the American slave issue is not straightforward. In most senses, what wound up happening was Lincoln's Empire War. And I think the blacks were connived and used in this process. Garibaldi refused to accept the Union command because slavery was not the real issue. Lincoln himself referred several times to empire preservation. And so what he did is he declared slaves free where he had no power--in rebellious southern states. He did nothing about slaveholding Union states. And so after the war's end comes an act in 1871 which removes the freed slave is only 3/5 of a person. So they were legally equal. Ok, I believe this was used in court one whole time in the defense of a former slave. Instead, it was purloined by Pharisees and used to make the legal term "person" apply to corporations. Once we have that basis, then the ball starts rolling towards a whole, whole lot of adjustments and alterations that favor the money power.

Then we find that, despite legal equality, most blacks did not have a whole lot to be happy about until what went on in the 1960s. And so I have personal experience with black folks related to the sit-in mentality, and, one of their main points was that they were being neat and civilized and therefor they deserved the same respect as anyone.

Sequentially, these guys cannot stand the next generation or the ratty gangbanger ones anyway. They have been saying that is not the freedom or equal rights they struggled for.

So those things are facets on the remaining sore thumb:

There are white people who simply do not like black people.

There are black people who simply do not like white people.

I do not think I can exactly be a racist, since there are plenty of other white people I don't like. I am disqualified from being a supremacist, since I have some Cherokee, I could only get in as a crypto until they found out and killed me. I went to town earlier, and when I got home, the same area I just was, was rioted. So was the next town down the road. And so there is for example one video of a couple of white people looting a store for eight minutes. So I'm losing track that Minneapolis might be a bit generous with racially-motivated knee suppression as they may have gotten from Israel, who does the same thing.



Our time to make the changes and be the change that we’ve wanted to bear witness to. Instead of just sitting and watching, which is life as usual for many of us, many, many of you are out there in the streets, railing against the negative externality of a predatory capitalist system that requires blood to continue its remorseless clacking into a mechanistic and transhumanistic future.



Yes, as "anyone", we might ought to finger Capitalism, which rendered its own clear picture in the Boer War and now we are getting a closer look. It is only partially a theory or idea, since it materially exists as a set of definitions and laws, especially "person". Because we can narrowly gauge the whole thing, then it is not hard for me at least to describe the type of protest I would support.

Cite instead of Arrest is a reasonable maneuver.

At this point, I believe you could find GoFundMes for bail from protesting, which is being set stupidly high, and so some cities are simply raking in a pile of their own loot. Mostly around here they are making handshakes and hugs about "this was peaceful today", which is probably not very effective for any cause, versus a few outbreaks of damage.

I was told one story of a woman setting the back of a store on fire, and then running up front and getting in a wheelchair for a disguise. When people noticed the fire and panicked, she starts stabbing people running out. But then apparently they overpowered her and mauled her severely.

There is sporadic gunfire at police in St. Louis, someone tried to run them over in Buffalo.

The medical examiner said Floyd was on fentanyl. Howso? Johnson & Johnson product maybe? You know, hold them accountable for everything? Worth a look, maybe a little contact tracing. They probably sent in enough to exterminate the whole state three times over. It clouded his judgment and made him go to the wrong place, which was regular, everyday life.

This is a mess of messes, legitimate issues mixed with agitation.

[shaberon]

I'd just like to add one more observation that I just made.
I thought about it last night and checked the video now.

No one here has commented on it as far as I know and I feel it is quite significant.

Watch the first minute of the video when the police arrive on the scene and enter the convenience store.

Watch it carefully and think to yourself the following:

a) my bet at this point would be that he didn't know he gave a counterfeit bill.

b) If the store didn't have a camera on its side and to the back, then how could the cops have known where to go right away?

a) is probably true since, so far, no one knows he gave a counterfeit bill.

b) in my understanding is that before talking to the police, the clerk already went outside and asked for the cigarettes. So there is no question where Floyd was. The quick police dash was probably something like--"Did you make the call?"...."Yeah, he's still over there".

I did not notice a video that shows the full thing. The one where he gets pinned is a bit sketchy, but, it looks like he was not doing very much and collapsed under his own power, two of the cops were hardly affected by the drop. And then they all decide to press him.

I have been slammed by multiple police a few times, and, it was not like that. In this example, you would see at least one of the cops getting bashed against the car. There would be an obvious altercation. Nothing like that seems to have happened here.

[TravelerJim]

Obviously I don't have any exact numbers but here in the US, outside of the protest/riot areas, there have been thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of interactions between law enforcement and citizens for the five or so days since Floyd was murdered. These interactions took place between and amoung all races and ethnic groups, and were overwhelmingly civil and peaceful.

[Bill Ryan]

An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

And also the loss of trust in just about everything else, including science, information of every kind, any government propaganda, and even in one another.

I saved it as a draft. I'm not ready to post that yet. But here's the briefest summary:


No-one out there knows what to do. No leader anywhere on the planet has the experience or wisdom to deal with any of this. There's a lot of virtue signaling, a lot of righteous words, and a lot of muscle flexing. None of it is likely to help.



Dark agendas of every kind will capitalize on the chaos. That chaos has already been driven by some of those same hidden agencies.



The danger can't be overstated. Act 1 was Covid-19, which now barely matters. Act 2 is the riots and protests from people who feel their votes and voices have never meant a thing. This is not about George Floyd, or even about racism or the police. That was just the spark in the piled-high tinderbox.



After the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income, the manipulation from every authority, and maybe the start of another great depression, this is the perfect storm. It's a huge coiled spring coming right out of its box. Using force to try to stop that will just cause the box to explode. But palliative words may not work, either.



The human race is very sick, laden with toxins and pathogens accumulated over hundreds of years. What we're seeing could be the start of the cytokine storm, very dangerous for the patient.



Act 3 might be anything one might imagine in any movie.



Only spiritual actions have a chance of turning this around. Nothing else.

:flower:

[pacificator]

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[ExomatrixTV]

Am I wrong to say (think):

"All bystanders police AND (other) people could have used their instincts/intuition to intervene somehow ... but might have chosen the path of fear or willful apathy!"

Am not claiming it is easy ... nor that it is "obvious what to do or not".


Bystander Effect (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/bystander-effect) or

Bystander Apathy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect)

[Sirus]

What about greed..
#1 Jeff Bezos $113 billions
#2 Bill Gate $98 Billions
the fist 2 = $211 billions
7.8 billions earth population..

Theses 2 could give 5 millions each person of the world
for a total of $39 billions..
still left > $172 billions for them.

Imagine now, people will start to live better, afford housing and invest in a better world.. I would think.

Just the first 2 billionaire could do it. for then it's pennies..




Mod note from Bill:
Actually — sadly! :) — you're out by a factor of a million. $39 billion divided between 7.8 billion people is just $5 each.


If everyone had 5 million dollars, 5 million dollars would not be worth as much as it is right now.
If everyone was made a millionaire overnight, nearly no one would bother going to work and the food chain would collapse.

[Adi]

An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

And also the loss of trust in just about everything else, including science, information of every kind, any government propaganda, and even in one another.

I saved it as a draft. I'm not ready to post that yet. But here's the briefest summary:


No-one out there knows what to do. No leader anywhere on the planet has the experience or wisdom to deal with any of this. There's a lot of virtue signaling, a lot of righteous words, and a lot of muscle flexing. None of it is likely to help.



Dark agendas of every kind will capitalize on the chaos. That chaos has already been driven by some of those same hidden agencies.



The danger can't be overstated. Act 1 was Covid-19, which now barely matters. Act 2 is the riots and protests from people who feel their votes and voices have never meant a thing. This is not about George Floyd, or even about racism or the police. That was just the spark in the piled-high tinderbox.



After the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income, the manipulation from every authority, and maybe the start of another great depression, this is the perfect storm. It's a huge coiled spring coming right out of its box. Using force to try to stop that will just cause the box to explode. But palliative words may not work, either.



The human race is very sick, laden with toxins and pathogens accumulated over hundreds of years. What we're seeing could be the start of the cytokine storm, very dangerous for the patient.



Act 3 might be anything one might imagine in any movie.



Only spiritual actions have a chance of turning this around. Nothing else.

:flower:



Bill, this is an excellent synopsis as always. I can't help but sense you have serious concerns about humanity's capacity to overcome what is present and ahead; if I'm right, I too have such concerns.

[Ernie Nemeth]

So funny, at least in my mind, when people start talking as though 'money' will save them if only somehow we could stop the greed, or change the system to reward hard working people with more money.

Money is the representation of greed and scarcity. Money only works because there is not enough of it. That is how they steal the little money you do get - by leveraging their massive wealth against your paltry sum.

Money, in no way, can be the answer to the problem. But, of course, that realization is still a long way in the future, it seems. First the masses will try to get more of the pie as we have it set up right now. But that will only cause other problems.

And if the only way to live a decent life remains to be a good little economic worker, churning out gadgets none of us need, then this little experiment will come to nothing.

[Agape]

So very true Bill 💫🙏🙏🙏I’m glad you have noticed and recorded that all now.
I’ve been frisk flying around the globe last few years that is until the previous year and saw it’s all going down, rapidly but can not be effectively stopped unless some higher power intervened and human consciousness took responsibility for the experience of life on this planet.
In the worst chaos and traffic jams, suffocated by heat waves and wild fires and smog I still saw millions of naive humans taking families for big shopping and arguing about the shape of their hats. No meanness only lots of sadness and deep concern on my side of whether most of them realise what lies ahead and what kind of reality is this planet facing.

I trust the conscious leap to the next stage of humanity is possible, though.

Something anyone can do of all things the first is to abstain from evil. Resisting wrong actions of one’s own purifies inner strength and resolution to resist all other evils and temptations.
God is Merciful, there always is a Way but the way depends on our willing.


No we can’t expect people turn to saints overnight but there is number of people who will take stronger commitment to resist this global evil, mentally and practically and there may be people who will continue “playing the game” and “riding the wave” till their last breath thinking it’s a way to go.

Time will show the results.

So far millions of people hit their bums hard during the recent coronavirus lockdown, the crowd is thinning and most ordinary people came to terms with their own selves after two or three months.

The rich and spoiled did not notice so much, and will continue playing the pose and game some time yet.

And then it’s upon the rest of the billions whether they tolerate it and how long yet.



❤️🍵

[Orph]

Am I wrong to say (think):

"All bystanders (other) police AND people could have used their instincts/intuition to intervene somehow ... but might have chosen the path of fear or willful apathy!"


Bystander effect doesn't really apply in police situations. There isn't much a person can do without being piled on by more police and arrested for interfering. (The person intervening absolutely would suffer a beat-down as well). It might ease a persons conscience to know they at least they attempted to intervene. But the original brutality would continue on anyway. Nothing will have been accomplished. You can't just say that somebody (other than the other police officers) should have intervened. It's not that cut-and-dried.

[ExomatrixTV]

CNN crew arrested while covering the riots in Minneapolis. No reason given by police for the arrests.

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… Just a point of order... Here you have a white officer arresting a black reporter which I am sure is just a coincidence


Or it was STAGED for a PURPOSE! ... CNN is known for doing that ... as he get out of jail very fast!

[ExomatrixTV]

Am I wrong to say (think):

"All bystanders (other) police AND people could have used their instincts/intuition to intervene somehow ... but might have chosen the path of fear or willful apathy!"


Bystander effect doesn't really apply in police situations. There isn't much a person can do without being piled on by more police and arrested for interfering. (The person intervening absolutely would suffer a beat-down as well). It might ease a persons conscience to know they at least they attempted to intervene. But the original brutality would continue on anyway. Nothing will have been accomplished. You can't just say that somebody (other than the other police officers) should have intervened. It's not that cut-and-dried.


I worked as a security officer with the police in Amsterdam for 2 years and I KNOW that some cops CAN be corrected by other cops! ... Sometimes even physically! ... Thus my question certainly applies ... I also saw multiple examples how "the mob" can change the behavior of certain police brutality activity ... if that would not happen you may have different outcomes of the police brutality/abuse/excessive force victims.

Did more than 7 years of martial arts (Full Contact Tae Kwon Do & Wing Chung) as you can see a picture of me kicking the "all seeing eye" that was taken when I was 32 years old ... Because of that, I never shy away from seeing violence or physical conflict in Amsterdam when I was on duty. This way I was up close to many occasions to know what I am talking about.

Worked on a Train for 2 years dealing with all kinds of (physical) conflicts done by others or by police.

cheers,
John

[Orph]

I did more than 7 years of martial arts as you can see a picture of me kicking the "all seeing eye" when I was 32 years old. Because of that I never shy away from violence or physical conflict in Amsterdam when I was on duty. This way I was up close to many occasions to know what I am talking about.


Amsterdam 'aint the US. How many people are that accomplished in the martial arts that they think they can intervene in such a situation? And yes, here in the US, if you intervene you will be piled on by more cops. And if you are black and try and intervene, ......... it just isn't going end up well. Like I say, each situation is unique. Perhaps in a very, very few situations intervention might actually work. But 99% of the time it won't.

And yes, the other police most certainly should have intervened in that situation.

[ExomatrixTV]

I did more than 7 years of martial arts as you can see a picture of me kicking the "all seeing eye" when I was 32 years old. Because of that I never shy away from violence or physical conflict in Amsterdam when I was on duty. This way I was up close to many occasions to know what I am talking about.


Amsterdam 'aint the US. How many people are that accomplished in the martial arts that they think they can intervene in such a situation? And yes, here in the US, if you intervene you will be piled on by more cops. And if you are black and try and intervene, ......... it just isn't going end up well. Like I say, each situation is unique. Perhaps in a very, very few situations intervention might actually work. But 99% of the time it won't.

And yes, the other police most certainly should have intervened in that situation.


I stand by my bystander effect analyzes if you read all of it not just small (selective) quote of me!

[Ernie Nemeth]

I ask myself if I had been there, would I have intervened? I know how I am, sometimes I act without thinking, especially when it is a question of morality, and right in my face like that. I have stepped in before, with both good and bad results. Usually, when you are on the side of right things work out for the best, sometimes not.

In this instance I am pretty sure I would have stopped it with a nonchalant walk toward the offending cop, and then a quick strike! Knock him off the victim and run away!

But I can't be sure...

[ExomatrixTV]

I ask myself if I had been there, would I have intervened? I know how I am, sometimes I act without thinking, especially when it is a question of morality, and right in my face like that. I have stepped in before, with both good and bad results. Usually, when you are on the side of right things work out for the best, sometimes not.

In this instance I am pretty sure I would have stopped it with a nonchalant walk toward the offending cop, and then a quick strike! Knock him off the victim and run away!

But I can't be sure...

I was trained how to de-escalate things/situations ... ONE of many intervention tactics is not necessarily physical ... but RAISING YOUR VOICE and be very clear what you say and repeat it with a warning.

I would have said with a very loud voice: Sir he is handcuffed, posing NO THREAT and you have enough assistance ... NO NEED TO BLOCK HIS ARTERY (https://www.healthline.com/health/artery-vs-vein) IN HIS NECK ... that is very dangerous & life threatening to him ... Be aware that you use extreme excessive force that WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW as you are filmed by bystanders!


Then REPEATING this at least 3 times!

There is a big chance that his current fear will be replaced by other fears I just inserted by TELLING HIM what he is doing.

I have done similar things in the past ... am not just an "arm chair critic".


btw am 6.2 foot long and have a loud voice too ;)

Human/Mob (psychical) Conflict Psychology is something I study for more than 40 years now.

John

[Agape]

Yes things can be stopped on gun point even. I saw my mum did it once in hard core settings, group fight in the underground train hall. She was medical professional and had a grip especially with low types. No physical strength at all. But she walked into them, told them off and pulled the one who was getting most punches little apart. It gained someone else enough time to call the police and ambulance.

Mum walked out to help people anywhere if she could.

No not everyone can do that effectively, not me even or under all circumstances.

But it’s better to believe in yourself and that you can do that.

Even a smart kid can intervene. If we don’t have the physical stamina we can still use our voice and yell a lot.

Well next time it happens I hope someone will intervene and stop it.


Stop the dirty minds , stop your hypocrisy, stop thinking too much before you get yourself by the lie.


🤲

[AutumnW]

You will identify with those you feel are 'good,' united against those you feel are 'bad.' When you are angry, you will try to veil it. When you are irked and disagree, you will continue to try to impose your ideas and your will, barely concealing the source of your profound irritation. If you want to see a monster, look in the mirror. This is an exercise we all need to do.

I like the way you think, AutumnW.

I stumbled on this tonight and was thinking how much I enjoyed hearing from a police chief forced into an interview situation where he has to answer a very difficult, emotionally charged question.

I think he did a pretty good job of it.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/01/houston-police-chief-art-acevedo-trump-mouth-shut-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

What a good heart and level head that man has! Wow. I am thinking of a friend who I recently had to axe who is still sending me videos, last one titled, "all cops are bullies and sadists!" Never watched the video, just deleted it.

Everybody has to watch Helium's above link! Police chief to Trump: Please, keep your mouth shut if you can't be constructive


Houston police chief Art Acevedo responds to President Trump telling governors to "dominate" protesters.

[ExomatrixTV]

DEAR BLACK PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER COLOURS TOO
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[ExomatrixTV]

Nolte: We Should Thank the Rioters for Exposing Lockdowns as Purely Political

The establishment media and Democrats are encouraging Americans to go out and riot, which proves the coronavirus lockdowns are purely political.

Item: You can’t social distance when you protest.

So we now know these lockdowns and all this crap about social distancing was a lie, because what you have here are the media encouraging their own viewers to riot and protest, and Democrats encouraging their own voters to riot and protest… And I think it’s safe to assume if the media and Democrats believed the coronavirus would kill their viewers and voters, they would not encourage such a thing.

The hideous Gretchen Whitmer, the hideous Democrat governor of Michigan, spent weeks gleefully punishing her own constituents for the sins of going to church, buying garden seeds, getting a haircut, and holding house parties… Anyone who dared ignore Gretchen’s Kafka-esque outlawing of the very things that make life worth living, were harassed, fined, arrested, and basically terrorized by the State — all in the name of the threat of the coronavirus.

And God help those who dared protest her tyranny, God help those protesters, who she shamed, blamed, and used to extend (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/23/report-gov-gretchen-whitmer-to-extend-michigan-lockdown-until-may-15/) her anti-science lockdowns.

Well, well, well — will you look at the hideous Gretchen now (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/gretchen-whitmer-encourages-areas-for-peaceful-demonstrations-while-churches-are-still-restricted/)… Suddenly large gatherings and the coronavirus is no real problem in Michigan! How else to explain why the hideous Gretchen all of a sudden turned around to support (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/gretchen-whitmer-encourages-areas-for-peaceful-demonstrations-while-churches-are-still-restricted/) large gatherings (unless, of course, you’re going to church).
So we can at least thank the rioters for exposing the hideous Gretchen for the tyrant she really is.

What’s more, after the rioters encouraged her to come out in favor of large gatherings, Gretchen’s entire rationale for lockdowns collapsed to a point where she finally surrendered on Monday and put an end (https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-governor-largely-rescinds-lockdown-180944977.html) to them.

Thank you, rioters!

And then there’s Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), who led by example to prove lockdowns and social distancing are purely political by taking it to the streets! Yep, there she was, a walking-talking (but not very bright) piece of proof America’s political class know these lockdowns are a joke… There she was protesting outside (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/video-kamala-harris-attends-george-floyd-protest-outside-white-house/) the White House on Saturday with a large group of people who were definitely not practicing social distancing… There she was, openly violating (https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/05/13/dcs-stay-at-home-order-extended-through-june-8/) Washington DC’s lockdown orders.

What more proof do you need than that, than a U.S. Senator violating these anti-science lockdowns?

Well, how about the media’s turnaround?

For two months you’ve had CNNLOL, MSNBC, the New York Times, and the Washington Post literally shrieking at anyone who dared go to church, the beach, or a house party… But now, thanks to the rioters, the media have all come out in full-throated support of violating lockdowns and ignoring social distancing.
The facts about these pointless lockdowns are this…

If you’re under the age of 50, the coronavirus is no more lethal than the seasonal flu. Almost all of these rioters are under the age of 50, so there is no real threat. Hell, those in their teens and twenties are probably in more danger of dying in a car accident than of the Chinese Flu.

Bottom line: there is no reason to keep anyone but the elderly in quarantine.

But in order to keep us locked down, in order to ensure Trump’s economy went south and they could institute cheat-by-mail, Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) refused to inform us of those facts.

Thanks to the rioters, we are finally liberate from that lie.

When the rioters flooded into dozens of Democrat-run cities, Democrats like Whitmer and Harris, and fake news outlets like CNN and MSNBC, had no choice but to end their opposition to lockdowns and stupid social distancing rules. What else could they do? They had to support their left-wing terrorist allies in Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

So what we have now are Democrats eating each other alive with all this blue on blue violence, which has no effect whatsoever on those of us in Red America — well, other than the fact that these riots have finally forced and end to the coronavirus tyranny. So…

That’s called a win-win.

And when you add in the fact that Democrat and media support for these riots proves beyond any doubt there is no need for cheat-by-mail, that’s called a win-win-win.

Source (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/02/nolte-we-should-thank-the-rioters-for-exposing-lockdowns-as-purely-political/)

[Waldo]

I’m not jumping on the conspiracy theory train here. I use to be a EMT. Looking at the footage leaves me quite shocked. I’ve been to scenes exactly like this.

Protocol would have me jump out with my bag (intubation, masks, oxygen, IV’s, saline bags etc...) also my partner would jump out with oxygen and a defibrillator and EKG.
You immediately determine pulse and breathing. If neither is present you have very little time. This is a 2 person job minimum. I immediately have to do CPR. Usually someone from the fire department resumes CPR while I get everything else ready ( IV, Intubation...) my partner in the meantime already has a bag valve mask on and is doing positive pressure ventilation. There’s a lot more I would do at the scene that I’m leaving out!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that 1 person in the back of an ambulance isn’t able to do all this as your partner needs to drive. As a matter of fact, if you just throw a person in the back like this not only would you loose your job, you’d be sued to high heaven for it.

I can see why people would think this portion of the video is fake. If your not breathing EVERY second counts. You just don’t do this. I seriously question why those medics did this. I would look into them as well.

Michelle

Those were not medics in the ambulance go watch the 10min video and pay attention to the unis they were sheriff's deputies. This whole thing stinks.

[ExomatrixTV]

Enemies Of The People:
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A year ago, President Trump said the press was "truly the enemy of the people." The press has gotten much worse since then.


twitter.com/tony__heller (https://twitter.com/tony__heller)

[Gracy]

Nolte: We Should Thank the Rioters for Exposing Lockdowns as Purely Political

The establishment media and Democrats are encouraging Americans to go out and riot, which proves the coronavirus lockdowns are purely political.

Item: You can’t social distance when you protest.

So we now know these lockdowns and all this crap about social distancing was a lie, because what you have here are the media encouraging their own viewers to riot and protest, and Democrats encouraging their own voters to riot and protest… And I think it’s safe to assume if the media and Democrats believed the coronavirus would kill their viewers and voters, they would not encourage such a thing.

The hideous Gretchen Whitmer, the hideous Democrat governor of Michigan, spent weeks gleefully punishing her own constituents for the sins of going to church, buying garden seeds, getting a haircut, and holding house parties… Anyone who dared ignore Gretchen’s Kafka-esque outlawing of the very things that make life worth living, were harassed, fined, arrested, and basically terrorized by the State — all in the name of the threat of the coronavirus.

And God help those who dared protest her tyranny, God help those protesters, who she shamed, blamed, and used to extend (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/23/report-gov-gretchen-whitmer-to-extend-michigan-lockdown-until-may-15/) her anti-science lockdowns.

Well, well, well — will you look at the hideous Gretchen now (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/gretchen-whitmer-encourages-areas-for-peaceful-demonstrations-while-churches-are-still-restricted/)… Suddenly large gatherings and the coronavirus is no real problem in Michigan! How else to explain why the hideous Gretchen all of a sudden turned around to support (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/gretchen-whitmer-encourages-areas-for-peaceful-demonstrations-while-churches-are-still-restricted/) large gatherings (unless, of course, you’re going to church).
So we can at least thank the rioters for exposing the hideous Gretchen for the tyrant she really is.

What’s more, after the rioters encouraged her to come out in favor of large gatherings, Gretchen’s entire rationale for lockdowns collapsed to a point where she finally surrendered on Monday and put an end (https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-governor-largely-rescinds-lockdown-180944977.html) to them.

Thank you, rioters!

And then there’s Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), who led by example to prove lockdowns and social distancing are purely political by taking it to the streets! Yep, there she was, a walking-talking (but not very bright) piece of proof America’s political class know these lockdowns are a joke… There she was protesting outside (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/video-kamala-harris-attends-george-floyd-protest-outside-white-house/) the White House on Saturday with a large group of people who were definitely not practicing social distancing… There she was, openly violating (https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/05/13/dcs-stay-at-home-order-extended-through-june-8/) Washington DC’s lockdown orders.

What more proof do you need than that, than a U.S. Senator violating these anti-science lockdowns?

Well, how about the media’s turnaround?

For two months you’ve had CNNLOL, MSNBC, the New York Times, and the Washington Post literally shrieking at anyone who dared go to church, the beach, or a house party… But now, thanks to the rioters, the media have all come out in full-throated support of violating lockdowns and ignoring social distancing.
The facts about these pointless lockdowns are this…

If you’re under the age of 50, the coronavirus is no more lethal than the seasonal flu. Almost all of these rioters are under the age of 50, so there is no real threat. Hell, those in their teens and twenties are probably in more danger of dying in a car accident than of the Chinese Flu.

Bottom line: there is no reason to keep anyone but the elderly in quarantine.

But in order to keep us locked down, in order to ensure Trump’s economy went south and they could institute cheat-by-mail, Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) refused to inform us of those facts.

Thanks to the rioters, we are finally liberate from that lie.

When the rioters flooded into dozens of Democrat-run cities, Democrats like Whitmer and Harris, and fake news outlets like CNN and MSNBC, had no choice but to end their opposition to lockdowns and stupid social distancing rules. What else could they do? They had to support their left-wing terrorist allies in Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

So what we have now are Democrats eating each other alive with all this blue on blue violence, which has no effect whatsoever on those of us in Red America — well, other than the fact that these riots have finally forced and end to the coronavirus tyranny. So…

That’s called a win-win.

And when you add in the fact that Democrat and media support for these riots proves beyond any doubt there is no need for cheat-by-mail, that’s called a win-win-win.

Source (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/02/nolte-we-should-thank-the-rioters-for-exposing-lockdowns-as-purely-political/)

John, let’s please not start reducing this very complex situation to republican good/democrat bad.

Or Conservative media good/Liberal media bad.

There’s plenty of room for that mantra elsewhere on the forum.
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[Delight]

This use of kneeling on the neck is a move that can cause all kinds of harm. It was murder and all involved are complicit. Perhaps the good coming out will be outlawing un-necessary force.

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[ExomatrixTV]

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[ExomatrixTV]

What's Really Going On In NYC And Why It's About To Get Worse:

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[Mike]

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I think it's all pretty weird. it's all schmaltz, showbiz and tears..dropping on one knee like al jolson or something. i hope i'm not the only one whose a little disturbed by it.

[ExomatrixTV]

How Many Black Lives Has ANTIFA Destroyed So Far?
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[AutumnW]

A caveat here. There are many wonderful human beings in the military who joined for all the right reasons. This isn't about them. It is about a faction. Please understand that.

The protesters are earnest, sincere for the most part and have very legitimate beefs. There are some outsiders stirring things up, for sure. I would suspect that those stirring up the most, who might have a stealth agenda are Christian Dominionist factions of military intelligence.

Trump ordered police to shoot rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd because he wanted to cross that street to stand at the steps of a Christian church, clutching his bible. Symbolic, and manipulative. Talk about sending a signal! Seems he is pandering to the worst elements of society.

As time progresses and the military firmly entrenches their presence on the streets, you may understand. I predicted this from before Trump was inaugurated. (Not the epidemic and subsequent protests, but overt military takeover and transition to a modern theocratic state...yes.)

If you get Netflix, watch "the Family" It will give some background.

I could be dead wrong. It's intuitive and intuition can be wrong--but I sense this is what is going on.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Establishment Has Lost ALL Credibility, COVID Is Gone??! HOW?! WHERE?!
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[TomKat]

An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.

[AutumnW]

Maybe Act 2 is about not letting a good crisis go to waste. And after the protests start they can be engineered by very obvious forces to get worse. Calling in the military, getting tough etc...could be arranged in a spontaneous fashion, to support a pre-planned agenda of militarization.

So everybody pray. Because it could get very tough indeed, for all of us, including here in Canada. We don't even qualify as a mouse that roars.

[DaveToo]

An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

And also the loss of trust in just about everything else, including science, information of every kind, any government propaganda, and even in one another.

I saved it as a draft. I'm not ready to post that yet. But here's the briefest summary:

:flower:
[/LIST]

I look forward to reading your post about the Fourth Turning Bill.
I don't think the world has ever been in a more dysfunctional state in its entire history than now.

[onawah]

Natural cycles have everything to do with why and how human events are orchestrated, imho....


An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Natural cycles have everything to do with why and how human events are orchestrated, imho....


An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.

I think natural cycles give an extra push, the inclination to act (or not to act). People who are knowledgeable about how these cycles work can use them to help further their goals, whether they be good or bad, personal or global.

[DaveToo]

b) in my understanding is that before talking to the police, the clerk already went outside and asked for the cigarettes. So there is no question where Floyd was. The quick police dash was probably something like--"Did you make the call?"...."Yeah, he's still over there".


OK I just watched the video where the clerks go outside to see Floyd in his car.
How did the clerks know exactly where to go? Probably had cameras installed outside the store?


I'm watching the videos again and it's ALL WRONG!

You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?

Was Floyd proven to be guilty of anything?

To handle/treat someone the way Floyd was treated on an accusation and nothing more is not the way justice system was designed to work, is it?

Or maybe the law works differently in the U.S., against black people?

[lunaflare]

A few queries:

What were George Floyd's prior criminal convictions?
Also, does it not make historic sense that riots and mayhem will only usher in greater force in terms of a military/police state(s)?

[shaberon]

After the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income, the manipulation from every authority, and maybe the start of another great depression, this is the perfect storm. It's a huge coiled spring coming right out of its box. Using force to try to stop that will just cause the box to explode. But palliative words may not work, either.



Only spiritual actions have a chance of turning this around. Nothing else.

:flower:


It is a bit weird to me that some white people would make themselves a proxy apology for the racism of other white people.

You know, we've changed the name of waitresses into servers, and, this does not sound far off from servants. Well, there was a time when "service" was a type of career path and so if your job was basically a waitress, if you did it, room and board were provided you. Butler, cook, etc., just live there.

Compare that to the situation of what we call a server today who always teeters on the brink of homelessness.

The old slavery was never exactly a racial issue. Ask the Irish. And, similarly, slavery to a good master isn't necessarily all that bad. It is more like a servant. So part of my family is from the south and yes they owned slaves. And so during the Jim Crow era, after slavery is illegal, then I guess it is not too hard to see lynchings and other types of injustice which in most cases are pretty obviously racist. And so rather than "going through all that", some of the former slaves just stayed where they were and lived more like a servant. Even up to my grandmother's time, 1920s-30s, they still lived there, and the kids went to school and they got medical care when needed. So really, during the whole time of settlement, regardless of their legal status as slave or free, these black folks had pretty much the same life, since originally they were not overworked or abused and were more or less like servants, and, afterwards, they were perhaps wise not to go off and risk it in Chicago or something.

Servants are really not any sign of the upper class, the other side of my family had Mexican live-in servants probably until the 1950s, working class.

I guess it is not like that any more, I cannot remember seeing a job offer that said "you get a place to live". But I don't find any racism in that stuff since it was about as friendly and fair as it could be.

Housing is a problem because real estate is a scam and on that note it would be viable to support a form of Shariah. We support moderate Islamist rebels, right? National pasttime. Senile McCain, I'd like to swipe a few hundred million bucks from your grave in order to buy command of one of your units. We will be changing almost everything about it, except for the fact that it forbids mortgage. Then Thomas Jefferson will actually come to life as his own memorial, trash the Oval Office, and have children with Lincoln's ghost wife. Then no one will make you pay for a house and then kick you out.

That is why all we have is a storm of force against force, which will more or less either re-install the president or regime change him. The missing political issue is like the missing Covid plague. A spiritual action would galvanize it, like "End Vietnam" is a tangible kind of protest where I can decide if either it's stupid, or maybe I want to roll some cars. This currently lacks any revolutionary aspect and is just what the French called The Terror, and that is even more difficult because its leader Robespierre said something even worse was going to erupt and sweep away his personal death machine.

Look in the stock markets at security companies like Silvercorp or maybe a more successful one, such as Wackenhut, which is like General MacArthur's left shoe.

I have however been told that in the latest generation or i. e. persons born in the 2000s tend to think of themselves as a Jerk Generation of almost complete nihilism without any concern if they kill someone or if someone kills them, no other acts having any more moral value. In my experience there are tough people who say "I'll kill you if..." but hardly any that just refuse value in life altogether. I don't know if this is a factor. I do not know or trust anyone so far. The public is way more dangerous than the police. There are a great deal of our laws that actually need to be changed, and I am afraid they are making a mess by wasting energy with no resolution. It is like saying War on Terror or War on Drugs, just jingoism, it is an abstract that cannot be pinned down to anything realistic.

In D. C.:

“Last night pushed me way over the edge,” said Jessica DeMaio, 40, of Washington, who attended a Floyd protest Tuesday for the first time. “Being here is better than being at home feeling helpless."

Ok but...I don't really get anything from that.

The Presdient:

“D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination,”

Doing that to "your own people" is "no problem"? What a double speak. He doesn't even know he's doing it. Shoot down any boats in the Potomac.

[shaberon]

You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?


If there is a warrant against the person, they cuff and stuff them.

Otherwise there is usually a type of "detention" period when the cops are checking out your statement and they also talk to the person you are accusing.

Counterfeit cash is a bit different than most things. I have seen several specimens of it, but, not by receiving it, they were things that had been accepted and discovered later. Not a minute later by an ex-employee saying "the ink is running". None of the notes I have seen looked anything like wet ink sloshed around. I know that most places these days are just going to rely on a "counterfeit pen", but, it is not something I personally trust, since all my observations were done using the senses. And so all I can guess is if the pen goes off, it is "store policy to call the police". They didn't mention a pen, just their policy.

I have no experience busting someone over a bill, but, since there are other things that can be counterfeited, and other illegal things a person can do, yes, the police can be there in five minutes, take a brief statement from me and haul someone away who was pretty happy until a few minutes ago. In almost any kind of business, if you call in an irate customer, the police almost always side with the business and take someone away.

They are not guilty until proven so in court, same as any crime. And so with cash, you actually have multiple jurisdictions. So if in Texas, it is a class C misdemeanor, that is how they will treat it, and it is up to them whether they want to report it as a federal crime. They do not have to enforce anything federal. So if you have a $20 they class C you, and if you have a million, maybe they call the feds. I don't know. Since most counterfeit cash is found after the fact, it is turned in to the bank, who gives it to the Secret Service. So in my personal examples just for curiosity I called the Secret Service and gave it to them myself. It's not very interesting, they just take it.

Without the feds I am guessing it may require a detective to determine counterfeit cash.

Here is a January (https://www.traverseticker.com/news/two-men-arrested-for-passing-counterfeit-currency/) case set off by a detector pen, or last year (https://siouxlandnews.com/news/local/storm-lake-pd-warn-business-owners-of-fake-bills) in one of many cases where the pen is found to be useless. The January thing sounds perfectly normal; there was a scuffle, or at least a taser, and criminals were stopped. Notice they were not at the same deli all the time around people they know. So that is Target making the same call, the deputy does not immediately arrest but confronts the suspects, who failed to cooperate.

I can't remember where I found the statement I did, but, the clerk physically went outside and spoke to Floyd in his vehicle, so they were able to specifically report that it was a blue van on 38th or whatever it was. Locating him did not seem weird to me. The background of the "instant adjudication" is...weak...and the way he went down just did not look like anything that would even suggest three people need to restrain him or one should keep going in a dangerous manner for an unreasonable period of time.

I am talking about complete strangers in my experience, but, since this was a neighborhood situation where...everybody knew everybody...it would have been extra normal for everybody to sit around talking about it. If I "had" to do it because a supervisor was watching me, I would still tell the cops, look, he's been coming here for years. It would be softened. With some of the criminals, if you tell us the truth and cooperate, you do get off lighter. So I don't know if there is any outrage expressed by the people who made the call. Why do you want your customers to go to jail? Let alone have that part go slightly wrong?

The background is a bit flimsy, but, is all that is needed to enable, what appears to me to be excessive use of force.

[TomKat]

A few queries:

What were George Floyd's prior criminal convictions?
Also, does it not make historic sense that riots and mayhem will only usher in greater force in terms of a military/police state(s)?

His criminal history was in Texas:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html

It's possible the police had been tracking the counterfeit bills he'd been passing and were trying to catch him in the act, with the help of the store.

Regardless, the riots were orchestrated and they quickly went international. Sort of like the way student riots have been coordinated since the 1960s.

I hope Trump doesn't let the deep state play him like a fiddle.

[Sarah Rainsong]

b) in my understanding is that before talking to the police, the clerk already went outside and asked for the cigarettes. So there is no question where Floyd was. The quick police dash was probably something like--"Did you make the call?"...."Yeah, he's still over there".


OK I just watched the video where the clerks go outside to see Floyd in his car.
How did the clerks know exactly where to go? Probably had cameras installed outside the store?


I'm watching the videos again and it's ALL WRONG!

You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?

Was Floyd proven to be guilty of anything?

To handle/treat someone the way Floyd was treated on an accusation and nothing more is not the way justice system was designed to work, is it?

Or maybe the law works differently in the U.S., against black people?

Yes. Exactly. Black people in general have had the law used differently against them. And not only blacks, but other minorities and low-income people as well. If a white person does the same thing, especially if they're presenting themselves as educated and/or middle class (i.e. they wear the right clothes and talk the right talk), they are treated vastly different. That is a long-standing problem, and one more reason why people are angry, one more thing playing into the "Fourth Turning." It is not the only thing.

It is easy to miss this if you are not a part of it or, as many white people here in the US, you are not willing to give it an honest examination.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Acknowledging that harm was committed against a person and/or group is incredibly healing. If you as a member of a group (whether you committed an atrocity or not), can offer an apology to a victim, it is very healing to the victim. This is true across the board for individuals as well as larger groups.

It is not about accepting responsibility for what others have done. It is about acknowledging that those people did commit atrocities, and they were wrong. It is about letting go of your ego and addressing the hurt and pain in others. It is an act of true compassion.

If you are looking for healing, then apologizing ["apology: a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure"] to someone who has been wronged is a powerful way to move that along. It is saying, "I see that you have been harmed, and I regret that this harm was done to you."

These acts of compassion are one of the most powerful ways to bring people together, and they will be fought against by everyone who wants to keep people divided.

We need more acts like this right now. There is nothing that terrifies TPTB more than showing love to others.

[OmeyocaN777]

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[edina]

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I appreciate this man's voice, so I went to his channel to see if I could find other places he's sharing.
I wanted to hear more of what he is saying. (I've been adding dozens of twitter accounts, lately.)

Real Climate Science (https://realclimatescience.com/), is linked in the About section of his YT channel.

What I would really like to know is the name of man speaking in the video, that Exomatrix shared? Still looking for that.

Scrolling through the posts I saw this video, in one of his blogposts.

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Note added: Gotta laugh at me, found his name, it's Rob Smith (https://twitter.com/robsmithonline), and he's from Fox. :blushing: (I don't have a TV, lots of the news channel stuff I miss.)

More notes added: Rob Smith started a GoFundMe page for the MN small businesses (https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-minneapolis-small-businesses?utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet) destroyed in the after hours riot and looting. It looks like it's at about 86K right now. A drop in the bucket considering the damages done. At this point, there are countless small businesses destroyed in the riots.

The daytime protests are peaceful and productive. I'd like to see more media talking about the solutions. Like was Mark/Rahkyt shared here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020&p=1358916&viewfull=1#post1358916).

For example, many cities across America implemented a ban on the "knee on the neck" tactic to subdue someone resisting arrest in response to previous problems. Perhaps there ought to be a nationwide ban on that tactic?

And maybe a bit more awareness that this tactic is used on people who resist arrest, regardless of race, gender, ect...

I've been seeing some stats that show that more white men are killed by police than black men killed by police, we just don't hear the white man's names. The common denominator here seems to be what happens when a person resists arrests.

Maybe a discussion about how to handle those situations would deepen a solutions-oriented conversation.

[Ernie Nemeth]

As Mike says, it is a bit weird to take a knee as a white person.

If I take a knee I am admitting it is my fault, like I had a say in the order of this world.

And, I do not in any way feel that these are my people who are rioting and looting.

These are the worst of the worst, far worse than the very evil they claim to be against.

And when you look at their faces you see what they are, agitators intent on harm. And all of them young. They are too naive to understand that their causes have long ago been subverted by agent provocateurs, and that their causes have been hijacked and no longer represent the ideal or even the sentiment of the original movement.

The establishment has a very long reach - right into every organization that has become merely a thin veil hiding the fanaticism beneath.


I'll take a knee for the natural world. For them it is like children watching their parents fight: their whole world is on the line, literally.

The stewards of the planet have lost their minds: woe is be to all life forms on earth!

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Luke Holiday]

from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if it can be proven that standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

[Patient]

from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

I understand what you are saying, but regardless whether or not the bill was counterfeit or if a person is intoxicated, even if they resist arrest killing him is not acceptable.

Staying on his neck as long as the officer did - that alone should not be justified.

[Sarah Rainsong]

from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

If I understand you right, you're not saying that the state is correct in all this, but that this is how it will be viewed in a court of law and thus could make prosecution very difficult.

Which is probably correct. But that's exactly the problem, and LukeToo is justifiably incredulous.

The state lies whenever it is in their interest to do so. The court of law as a fair and just place does not exist. Police have been known to alter reports and lie under oath. I have witnessed this myself. And that's not even taking to account the deeper issues that we discuss on this board (like aliens, shadow government, etc.).

And even if the toxicology reports come back positive, it does not excuse what happened. We all have seen the video. We don't need someone to pat us on the head and assure us that it's all okay. It's not.

The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" has never applied to certain demographics, blacks especially.

I think we need to move past this idea that the cops were justified in what they did. Even if they followed procedures, they were not justified in killing this man. Maybe their commanding Sergeant did order the code red. But that does justify their failure to uphold their oath.

[edina]

In addition to the Rosenstein Hearing (https://twitter.com/search?q=Rosenstein&src=trend_click), this is trending on Twitter, #8Can'tWait (https://twitter.com/hashtag/8CantWait?src=hashtag_click)

https://8cantwait.org/

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Police Use of Force Policy Analysis pdf (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56996151cbced68b170389f4/t/57e1b5cc2994ca4ac1d97700/1474409936835/Police+Use+of+Force+Report.pdf)

[Luke Holiday]

Patient post

I understand what you are saying, but regardless whether or not the bill was counterfeit or if a person is intoxicated, even if they resist arrest killing him is not acceptable.
Staying on his neck as long as the officer did - that alone should not be justified.

Sarah R post

If I understand you right, you're not saying that the state is correct in all this, but that this is how it will be viewed in a court of law and thus could make prosecution very difficult.






[Yes... this is my position.. There are many things that I remain very curiously suspicious in this case .... and I 100% resonant and agree with your posts...


blessings Luke

As an aside we have the following short list of case related matters to be curiously suspicious of:

1. The Soro's paid band of website recruited agent provocateurs instigating, magnifying and promulagating the riots.

2. You have the MSM posting photoshopped (allegedly) pictures of Mr. Floyd in front of Corona signs.

3: MSM stories such as this keep popping up: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nyc-socialite-calls-police-black-092300448.html

3. The timing: Occurs just as CV lockdowns are ending and the country is reopening, and now many of those same cities are back to being closed per curfew - secondary to the riots - with police and national guards patrolling the streets

3. You have the upcoming murder case involving a very strong looking Black Man vs white police officerrs - which is perfectly set up to generate strong opposing emotional charges and is therefore; absolutely ripe to create interracial, along with police vs public divisiveness.

(A microcosm of the strong emotional reactions generated by this case were just demontstrated in this simple exchange between Sarah, Patient and myself and throughout this thread)_

4. Some legal experts are reporting, that based on the medical/police reports prosecuters will be challenged in getting a conviction. Combine this - with the historical fact that cases against police officers have very been difficult to prosecute.

5. An acquittal would certainly be the detonation of a massive powder keg of riotous civil unrest - which would feed grandly into the believed agendas of PTB.

6. add you own....

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[Mark]

There is nothing that terrifies TPTB more than showing love to others.

This is absolutely so, Sarah.

I'm not interested right now in discussion that casts the issues in terms of "sides" and histories of dysfunction and dis-ease, primarily because we are in a space of being right now where so many things are possible that were not, a year ago, 3 years ago, 10 years ago, hell, forever ago. We've entered, as a planet, one of those collective psychological states wherein the societal consciousness is so malleable that a real shift in consciousness is possible.

When belief and trust in society dips to levels like this you generally see rebellion, revolution in the air. In the past, this modality of thinking and being led to political and cultural shifts brought on by neighborhood violence leading to urbanized revolt. Now, in the panoptic environs of the nascent NWO, the methods of appeasement are so diverse and comprehensive that it takes extraordinary events to impact the lethargic, overly-cerebral and passive mentality of our drugged and media-saturated populations, no matter the continent or population. Access is everywhere and becoming even more ubiquitous. Once 5G is successfully deployed and global connectivity is assured by way of Musk's Space-X satellite field surrounding the planet, it will be possible to dominate even more totally than now, which is quite the sobering consideration.

Connection, showing love, to those who are not psychopaths and disdainful of compassionate or empathic ways of being in the world, is anathema especially now as we have arrived in a region of the galaxy where the energies support the raising of consciousness.

I fist-bumped a dude today and we looked at each other, grinning conspiratorially, as if we'd just committed a crime.

Everything to isolate us. Leave us trusting only the media that shows us versions of the world our google searches have encapsulated us within, our confirmation biases supported unconditionally by those whose mentalities align with our own, who we also cannot touch or be close to, if they are not within our immediate family or circle of friends and co-workers. I mean, think about that. We have to consider all that we interact with now, and how that will affect others we interact with! We are being programmed to think about every, single contact we have with doors, knobs, societal technological tools like card readers, restaurant silverware, goods in shops and all else required to conduct society in a normative manner.

Love is anathema to the untouching, unfeeling, unconnected, transhumanistic, genetically-modified tissue of the new society they wish to see come into being. A different, more formalized interpersonal sphere of human interaction where contact is minimized and engagement highly ritualized, physical and emotional intimacy mediated by AI, sexuality purely functional or dissipative with masturbatory realms of sensual engagement becoming the most prevalent types of sexual interaction, zoom-like business and skype-like personal connections also experiencing a surge in popularity.

Empaths, those who love, those who feel passion, those who engage at the level of the soul and spirit, their impact minimized, their reach limited drastically, wither and die in such mental and emotional spaces of confinement.

Groups of people known for their emotivity and passion, will not do well in such worlds. And so, can be "ushered out" of existence in a manner that can later be considered "justified" and "natural".

After all, their own passion did them in, right?

Right.

[AutumnW]

As Mike says, it is a bit weird to take a knee as a white person.

If I take a knee I am admitting it is my fault, like I had a say in the order of this world.

And, I do not in any way feel that these are my people who are rioting and looting.

These are the worst of the worst, far worse than the very evil they claim to be against.

And when you look at their faces you see what they are, agitators intent on harm. And all of them young. They are too naive to understand that their causes have long ago been subverted by agent provocateurs, and that their causes have been hijacked and no longer represent the ideal or even the sentiment of the original movement.

The establishment has a very long reach - right into every organization that has become merely a thin veil hiding the fanaticism beneath.


I'll take a knee for the natural world. For them it is like children watching their parents fight: their whole world is on the line, literally.

The stewards of the planet have lost their minds: woe is be to all life forms on earth!

I'll take a knee for Canadians who refuse to even look at the overall problem.

I will take a knee for all of the indigenous people still suffering from colonialism--nomads robbed of their continent and shoved onto ****ty reservation land.

I'll take a knee for a huge indigenous population with fetal alcohol syndrome because their parents and grandparents sunk into despair and tried to drink away their problems.

I'll take a knee for every intoxicated aboriginal dropped on the outskirts of places like Saskatoon and Edmonton, by the RCMP. in the middle of winter -- who froze to death trying to find shelter.

I'll take a knee for a mountie high up in the forces who laughed about doing this and another knee for the lack of charges against them...that went on for decades.

I'll take a knee for residential schools, pedophilia against the children there and experimentation on those children.

I will take two knees for Canadians who STILL maintain, indigenous people get ALL the breaks from government and free land.

I will take a knee for people my culture nearly completely destroyed. There day will come. It IS coming.

[Bill Ryan]

Just a broad-brush note here, in brief terms, of what's happening. Many reading this will already be fully aware, but it's another useful reminder of a possible direction of discussion.


Hidden factors with agendas are fueling the violent riots and looting. (Pallets of bricks are mysteriously appearing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFYnbLtySus) to provide ammunition, etc etc etc.)
The police do their best to deal with the violence, which is their job. And many of them do their best to show their sympathy for and alliance with the peaceful protestors.
But the US media (except for Fox News) stresses that police violence is being used against the peaceful protestors. Very little is mentioned any more about the violence and real problems occurring in inner cities every night.
The same is reported in many other countries. Trump's words about the need to maintain law and order are being criticized or knowingly taken out of context.
Videos showing the rather more shady aspects of George Floyd's lifestyle are disappearing.
It's starting to look orchestrated, as if the same hidden senior authority is now at work again as became evident in defining the language of global governmental Covid-19 rhetoric.
Right on cue, Obama is now starting to make 'presidential' speeches, the ones that Trump should be making. (Whatever you might think about either of them, Obama is a better orator, and often seems to have a better speechwriter.)

[Bluegreen]

Right on cue, Obama is now starting to make 'presidential' speeches, the ones that Trump should be making. (Whatever you might think about either of them, Obama is a better orator, and often seems to have a better speechwriter.)

Obama is the greatest actor who ever lived, and I say that without a trace of irony as well as an intimate knowledge of the theater.