Antifa

[edina]

Antifa is about to become a BIG topic of discussion for the whole world.

And by this, I mean the global nature of Antifa.

Project Veritas is due to release an expose from someone who went inside to see how Antifa works.

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Part 1

From the perspective of the information coming out of the Q posts, and for context, this comes full circle.

As you can see from the first page of the 600 page Q thread.
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1187161&viewfull=1#post1187161)
What the Q drops were referencing then appears to be happening now.

Future Proves Past. (https://qanon.pub/?q=Future%20proves%20past)

This topic has been covered extensively in the Q posts.

And we are seeing it start to break through in a more mainstream way.

This thread is for people to share information on the general topic, and since I didn't want the Q information/context segregated out of the topic, because it's relevant, I've started the thread in this segregated section of the forum.


More coming soon...

[Tintin]

__Excellent__ :thumbsup: Thank you edina

Very glad you've started this thread, and megabucks to Project Veritas of whom I am a huge supporter for making this material available.

Yes, I'd be more than glad that this thread stayed as much on topic as possible, and am grateful to you for making that clear in your OP. Now that the File upload manager seems to be functioning again I'll shortly be uploading some flyer samples from the Baltimore demonstrations of a couple of years ago that clearly show an organisation that seems to have swallowed a military combat exercise handbook, to the letter.

And in case anyone did need a reminder, Antifa, a deliberate remanifestation, takes its name and inspiration from the Antifaschistische Aktion More information here on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion) although what they should have perhaps made more of a point about - and of course wouldn't :) - is the fact they operated as the thuggish enforcers of the party line, an attitude mirrored in the activities and MO of its 21st century counterparts.

History repeating itself?

You bet.

[edina]

QMap is a site that has aggregated the Q posts and organizes the information in a way that is conducive for further research.

Here's the page to the Antifa theme on Qmap (https://qmap.pub/themes/read/2)

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Domestic terrorist organization sponsored by Soros. Goal is to promote hate, violence and division across the USA. Antifa rhetoric and symbolism (see Antifa flag) parallels the Communist Party of Germany named Antifaschistische Aktion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion). Antifa is NOT an organic movement; it's a planned/financed push for communism in the USA.

If you want to look at the Q posts that are tagged with the theme topic at Qmap, click on the QAnon Post menu button on the bottom left side of the theme image. It will pull up 64 theme related posts.

The QMap software doesn't generate a shareable direct link for that result.

At Qmap, each Q post is tagged with relevant theme/topics to that post.

I appreciate this particular feature because it allows one to begin to see how integrated all the information is, so a person could look at information from a specific, segregated way, drill in; or from an integrated holistic way, zoom out.

[Gemma13]

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This clip is re Covid-19 but will be relevant to this now.
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[edina]

At this point there are two journalists talking about Antifa in an informed way.

Andy Ngo (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo)
Lara Logan (https://twitter.com/laralogan)


About Andy Ngo:
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As a journalist, Andy Ngo has been exposing Antifa for what they really are—radical, violent extremists. Hear him reveal what’s really hiding behind their black masks—and how his family’s history informs the way he covers this violent movement.

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On 15 April, 2020, Fox Nation aired a documentary episode by Lara Logan on antifa and Andy Ngo. “Bias Has Victims” is episode three of the second season of “Lara Logan Has No Agenda.”

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The harassment tactic used in the above clip, loud noises directly in a person's ears, were also used against Candace Owens as seen in this video below from Aug 2018. (Two years ago.)
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Lara has shared more information about how Antifa agitators helped turn the protests to riots.
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Key point: Every thing is designed to INCITE reaction.

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Note Added, 13 June 2020: Antifa website mentioned in the last Lara Logan segment above.

Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement (https://www.revolutionaryabolition.org/)
RAM Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/revolutionaryabolitionistmovement/)
RAM News: Who's the Enemy? Police and Liberal Counterinsurgency (https://www.revolutionaryabolition.org/news/whos-the-enemy/) dated 12 June 2020


Antifa, and other similar groups' organizational structure is a highly integrated global network.

If you begin to pull on one thread of this network, you will discover more and more threads. As I looked more into it, I thought to myself, “I’m sure this has already been mapped out by the FBI and DHS", who began calling for Antifa to be designated a terrorist organization back in 2016. Before Trump was elected.



FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks Politico, 1 Sep 2017 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235)
Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI.

This is from a website, Anarchists Worldwide (https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/), dated 1 Feb 2020
So-Called USA: Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement 10 POINTS of ACTION (https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/post/2020/01/02/so-called-usa-revolutionary-abolitionist-movement-10-points-of-action/)

https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/files/2020/01/RAM-10_Points-752x1024.jpg
This is what Lara Logan was reading in the above video.

[Gemma13]

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1268195075953176576

[edina]

Update: As of 7:00 PM Mountain Time 4 June 2020

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Part 2

The text of the email below:


Here are a few statements from Antifa members in our latest video:

Chris, Antifa Fight Instructor: “If you get a good liver or kidney shot, it's pretty much crippling them. They're going to be doubled over and in a lot of pain. If you break one of the floating ribs, which are small and right down here. Those are also very painful, it's hard to move after that, to catch a breath. So, one good body shot could potentially give you all the time in the world to run away while they're doubled over in pain, or really put a beating on them after that if you really want to make it personal.”

Chris, Antifa Fight Instructor: “We just kind of wanted to, in this space, reframe the idea of self-defense as not simply, you're being acted upon by an aggressor. But it's kind of a decision you make to fight back. In a lot of ways to say, I am human, and I occupy this space and I will not be ****ed with.”

Chris, Antifa Fight Instructor: “Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, if that doesn't knock them out, then yeah. The nose, the eyes, poke the eyes... Absolutely.”

Chris, Antifa Fight Instructor: “We call this a safe space to practice aggression. Not aggression against one another, but really just a space that, if you want to or if you want to challenge yourself, to kind of work on harnessing that kind of energy.”

This video further proves how structured Antifa is, it is an international organization with sophisticated admission requirements and paramilitary physical training.

Project Veritas will continue to expose them, especially since they have been designated as a domestic terrorist organization by President Trump. We call upon Brave Insiders to take a stand and record Antifa as they continue to plan violence across our country.

Be Brave,

James O’Keefe


A short diary except has been posted on Project Veritas Twitter (https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas) account.
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https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1268656271319760897


Note added: https://thebasebk.org/about/


The Base is an anarchist political center in Bushwick, Brooklyn, committed to the dissemination of revolutionary left and anarchist ideas and organizing. The mission of the space is to spread ideas and practices to the broader populace and provide a place where individuals can learn, grow, and organize outside of traditional activist and educational institutions.
We provide a foundation for fostering the ideas and theory of people who have either a preliminary background in political thought, or who have not grappled with political theory at any level. Furthermore, we establish a framework where creative modes of sharing are encouraged, with the goal of spreading these modes beyond the confines of the space itself.
We intend to establish a sociopolitical model in New York City where participants can create projects that are expansive and creative. Lastly, this is a place where people can grapple with, organize, and find solutions to issues that affect their living situation in a constructive environment.


https://twitter.com/TheBaseBK/status/1266780862042996739

https://www.facebook.com/TheBkBase/videos/vb.175420929322567/2853193468110715/?type=2&theater

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Federal Indictments Returned in Maryland and Delaware Charging Three Alleged Members of the Violent Extremist Group “The Base” With Federal Firearms and Alien-Related Charges (https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/federal-indictments-returned-maryland-and-delaware-charging-three-alleged-members-violent)

[edina]

And George Webb has been talking about Antifa (https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/search?query=Antifa) lately, too.

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[Gemma13]

Oops Sorry Edina my posts were done befor seeing yours.

MODS are you able to delete my posts and then this one please as I can redo them another time. I think Edina has posts needed to follow her OP.

[edina]

Oops Sorry Edina my posts were done befor seeing yours.

MODS are you able to delete my posts and then this one please as I can redo them another time. I think Edina has posts needed to follow her OP.

I think it's fine to keep it way it is, Gemma13.

But if you will do me a favor and post the full Twitter link below the Twitter function link, I'd appreciate it.

I can't see the tweet and without the full link I can't find it on Twitter.

[Gemma13]

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[AutumnW]

Excellent RT video on global protests. I think you will enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG_uYVYkbrA

[AutumnW]

Edina, I thought when I saw this one you would be particularly interested and resonate with it:

Internet subcultures take advantage of the current media ecosystem to manipulate news frames, set agendas, and propagate ideas.

■ Far-right groups have developed techniques of “attention hacking” to increase the visibility of their ideas through the strategic use of social media, memes, and bots—as well as by targeting journalists, bloggers, and influencers to help spread content.

■ The media’s dependence on social media, analytics and metrics, sensationalism, novelty over newsworthiness, and clickbait makes them vulnerable to such media manipulation.

■ While trolls, white nationalists, men’s rights activists, gamergaters, the “altright,” and conspiracy theorists may diverge deeply in their beliefs, they share tactics and converge on common issues.

I lifted this from Vox. Eliminated parts that don't apply. Won't bother posting the link.

[Tintin]

As mentioned in my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359342&viewfull=1#post1359342) as promised a snapshot of those flyers.

Some Twitter commentators suggest that these were 'dropped' by protesters in the recent demonstrations - that's a moot point of course; we can't be certain that's the case although we can be pretty certain that Antifa will be involved. In any case a cursory glance speaks volumes of the degree of sophistication that goes into these protests.

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[shaberon]

Well people are being released not because "prosecutors are letting them go" but because they have set inordinately high bonds like $50,000 and there are GoFundMes in the hundreds of millions to pay it off.

Historical comparisons are not quite the same. This just is not all that violent.

Yes, someone who is worth their salt walks around dropping secret documents. Um, ok. Well, the whole Democratic thing is Communism. Moot point. Here since 1913. Main difference is Fascists are fewer and richer. Fascists should not try to scare us about a Jewish Communist takeover that has long since occurred, and the Communists are just mad because the Fascists are still dancing on their faces anyway.

It's continuous. This same thing has been right there in the public's face ever since the Boer War. Bickering faces of London-based capitalism.

[Baby Steps]

My take is that they are primarily provocateurs - most BLM know about them and what they do - and that they do not care about the specific issue- they are just there to be agents of chaos. I know someone who likes them and I reminded him that in the Weimar Republic similar communists acted as the midwives for the Nazis, because the communists aggression pushed many sensible people to support Hitler out of fear . The super rich that control and fund antifa Are NOT primarily concerned with right or left, they just want to cause so much chaos that the constitution is suspended and the authoritarian set up they dream of is birthed. This they need for their own sinister coercive agenda. I am not critical of all the vast majority of the demonstrators who are peaceful but furious - even the looters can be defended, they are poor marginalised people who owe nothing to a society that does nothing for them. These shenanigans remind me of how the maidan chaos was an integral part of the deep states successful destruction of the Ukrainian regime not long before the scheduled election. Antifa are toxic, they always use statements like 'your silence is violence’ or ‘your words are violence’ to justify unprovoked violence . Most of their young foot soldiers are just misled and deluded. It will be interesting to see what happens if it emerges that Antifa are funded from abroad , given that Trump considers them a terrorist Organization


https://hive.blog/antifa/@mjsnosk8er/antifa-s-tax-returns

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🚨🚨🚨Posted in Las Vegas Emergency:

Ok I was not going to post this as I’m sick of the lies on social media but all of you need to hear what happened here last night.
At about 4pm we started getting notices that our outside shopping distract Downtown Summerlin was suddenly closed and evacuated.

About an hour later we saw online postings shared through the community that said the hell with downtown Las Vegas let’s go to downtown Summerlin and loot and let’s go to the local neighborhoods and destroy them.
About 400 heavily armed police showed up and blocked the Downtown Summerlin district and started covering the surrounding streets where we live.

We saw postings online that specifically called out our neighborhoods for attack.
Residents were terrified we all have seen what’s happening on TV etc. as a neighborhood we took action.

We organized and set up a watch on the Main Street from downtown into our three neighborhoods.

Yes we were armed and heavily armed but we kept the weapons in our cars.

A police officer came by and asked if we were locals. We said yes, she asked if we were protecting the neighborhood we said yes. She asked if we were armed we said yes heavily and she asked open carry and we said yes.
She then proceeded to tell what to do. She said we were targets of the antifa they were going to try and enter the neighborhood and burn as many cars as possible and damage and loot as many homes as they could. She asked us to tell everyone get cars off the streets and take in anything that could be used as a weapon against a home like potted plants in planters etc.

She told they had found huge piles of bricks all around downtown and our neighborhood as well as they arrested someone setting up a food and water camp in the desert nearby.
She said the road was heavily covered by the sheriffs department but if we saw a mob coming to us that meant something bad happened and do not let them into the neighborhood. She was serious. She also said they may try to flank us and come around the back way so keep our eyes open.

As we waited and watched we noticed the typical antifa punks in their black outfits and helmets. One kept driving by in a car another was on a skateboard and another on a bike. We had another walking they were waking through the neighborhoods and we had lookouts in all three. 704 homes banded together to protect our families and property.

We finally decided after bike boy and walking guy made five passes to show them what we got. At that point we took out our weapons and held them down or strapped them to our shoulders.

We got their attention that’s for sure. Within a few minutes they disappeared. At this point I got notice that one of these peaceful protesters was filling up 8 pallets of glass bottles at the chevron station with gas up the street. People realized he was making a lot of Molotov cocktails and confronted him and he took off.

Soon after our show of force the protesters went to a Main Street and got picked up and left except a few who went to nearby neighborhood and attempted some home break ins and were caught.

So when I see idiots on social media saying that these are peaceful protestors and it’s the President staging this stuff etc I say how dare you.

Your ignorant stupid blind hatred is disgusting. Never in my life did I think I would have to take up arms to defend my home and my family.
These were not right wing militias or any of them other crap you always blame these were hard core anti America socialists intent on causing as much damage as possible.

This is not TV or social media I was there and I am angry and getting angrier by the day. This has nothing to do with the BLM movement. The majority of what we saw was 20 something white spoiled punks with CA plates on their cars.

How dare you socialist antifa piece of ****s attempt to come into my neighborhood and threaten extreme violence. I can tell you if they had gotten in and started destroying things not one would have made it out. We had about 20 other homeowners who wanted to be with us but I feared accidental violence and said if we need you we will call.

We did not go looking for antifa we did it move from the entrance to our neighborhoods. We stood there ready to protect our families friends and homes.

Every one of these antifa we saw all dressed the same and all had backpacks and we knew they had bricks in those backpacks. In a split second one of us could have been hit with one of those bricks and it would kill you. The only reason it did not happen is they knew they would be shot.

I am disgusted by those on social media saying these are peaceful protestors being harassed by the police. Grow the **** up and stop the BS. One Molotov cocktail would take out multiple homes in Vegas in the heat this place is a tinder box.

Our neighborhood is on the far west side of town a mile from open desert we have nothing to do with anything going on. All of the postings online were kill the rich let’s burn their homes.

So before another one of you defends these rioters why don’t you walk out into the violence for yourself. My wife was terrified she wanted to take our dogs and leave. How dare you left wing assholes threaten to destroy and kill us.
I am beyond disgusted with what I am seeing posted. Go watch your CNN and MSNBC and live in your fairy land world but last night was terrifying. Thinking that we could really come
Under a violent attack and I may have to use a weapon to defend myself and my family. What the hell is wrong with you people. These are not protestors this is not non violent.

Share this with anyone people need to know the truth of who and what these people are. This is antifa we have their postings we saw it for ourselves they were coming for us and we would have shot every last one of them to protect our families. We got lucky but it will happen in some city soon people will fight back.

I’m pissed it’s obvious and it’s idiots out there calling these people peaceful and blaming the government and police grow up.

DOUGLAS KRAFT

[AutumnW]

Baby Steps,

Can you spot the incongruities in Douglas Kraft's story?

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Joe Rogan on anti-fa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a59q6tVHyJ4

[gini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF81RV-T6_

Joe Rogan talks with Steven Crowder about how NotGay Jared went undercover to infiltrate Antifa

Jan. 31 2018 18 minutes

[shaberon]

in the Weimar Republic similar communists acted as the midwives for the Nazis, because the communists aggression pushed many sensible people to support Hitler out of fear . The super rich that control and fund antifa Are NOT primarily concerned with right or left, they just want to cause so much chaos that the constitution is suspended and the authoritarian set up they dream of is birthed.

Some of both, perhaps. A paid mob to lead towards authoritarianism. And/or actual communists trying to attack it. It sort of depends on how much the current case is "one club" versus the relative simplicity of the idea, anyone could copy it and pose as anything.

[Bill Ryan]

Folks, I'm moving this important and timely thread to the Current Events (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?105-Current-Events) section — though it's possible we may need to create more new sections to deal with some of that's happening in the world at the moment. It also might belong in The New World Order (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?163-The-New-World-Order). It goes much farther than US party politics.

The issue is also far greater than that of Qanon, and the manipulation that's happening in the media about all this affects people in many countries. My strong personal view is that this is both alarming and critical for everyone to understand right now.

I wrote just now to the other mods:

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I'm thinking we may need a new section to deal with some of the new and alarming current events, many of which are being manipulated even if it may not yet be 100% clear what the exact agenda is. All suggestions welcome for a new section title.

It's all about a several-stage, high-level plan being rolled out in global co-ordination, designed to get good people stuck on the flypaper of very human emotional issues, while the real manipulation is being orchestrated on a far more strategic level.

[Bill Ryan]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.

[Bill Ryan]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.

A diagram:

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[Jayke]

Is antifa funded by the same CIA terror network that funds Isis?

Neon Revolt shared some interesting dot connecting on his new talk show, showing that the club both George Floyd and Chauvin worked at has connections to Somali run isis groups.

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Tommy Robinson, whether people like or loathe him, also pointed out in his scuffles last year that the antifa mob that were sent to attack him, were being trained and had their headquarters in a London mosque. Not to blame Islam as a whole, just the CIA created and UN sanctioned terror network that’s been inflicting jihad on both the Middle East and the West, seem to be organising the insurrection.

Who funds it? The same people who fund Cleon Peterson’s race war artwork no doubt.

https://twitter.com/cleonpeterson/status/848944595203502080
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The Rothschild vision for the west.

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Cleon Peterson’s piece ‘end of days’...


https://guyhepner.com/product/end-of-days-by-cleon-peterson/


End Of Days By Cleon Peterson
Cleon Peterson ‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement.

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[Gwin Ru]

From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":
June 6 2020 (http://82.221.129.208/.vk3.html)
White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future

Covid failed to destroy food supply lines as the communists wanted, - they got busted destroying it and could not follow through. They had a back up plot: Claim any store that is open had to be closed to prevent destruction by rioters, thus leaving Americans no where but them to go to for food. Target and Wal-Mart are already starting with this. At last update 200 stores were closed indefinitely. Obviously no one will blame them. A secondary goal of the riots is to finish the job of destroying small business, so only large communist controlled corporations remain, with absolutely no competition.

The method: Any store that dares to open has heathens descend on it and loot it. Big corporations will survive this a lot better than small store owners. That said - There is a real rational reason to not blame Wal Mart, Krogers, or any other store for closing over this, right down to 7-11. Soros and other subverters will even take this all the way to farmers markets if needed to put the American people in a desperate situation.

Then what?

Same scenario as Covid "causing food supplies to collapse". The same thing we all thought we avoided - a total collapse of the food supply forcing people to a central feed trough where they'll either starve or be chipped. We are obviously up against a multi-step plan for our destruction.

If this fails, What next? An alien invasion?

[RunningDeer]

"The most privilege in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else. "

"...But the people pushing this idea don’t see it as scary because they don’t fear the mob because they control the mob. That’s the key and they see violence as an instrument of their political power. With mobs in the streets that they control, they will finally get what they want. Donald Trump out of office and a hammer lock on the country. That’s what’s happening."


Tucker: Liberal Activists Now Want to 'defund the police’ (10 min)



For the past week, all of us have seen chaos engulf our beloved country. The violence at the destruction has been so overwhelming, shocking, and awful, and vivid that it has been hard to thing clearly about what’s going on. Most of us haven’t been able to step back far enough to ask the obvious question.

The most obvious of course is, “What is this really about?” “What do the mobs want?”

Well the thugs looting the Apple store can’t answer that question. They have no idea. They just want free iPads. But what about Apple itself and the rest of corporate American which is enthusiastically supporting the riots? What about members of congress, the media figures, the celebrity? The tech titans? All of them are cheering this on. What do they want out of it? Well they haven’t said. That’s the central mystery. Now suddenly, it is obvious. It should have been obvious the first day.

This is about Donald Trump. Of course it is. We just couldn’t see it. For normal people, Donald Trump is a president. You may like him, you many not like him, but either way, there will be another president at some point and we will move on as we always have.

But for Donald Trump’s enemies, there is nothing else. Everything is about Trump. Everything. Donald Trump defines their friendships, their careers, their marriages. Donald Trump affects how they raise their children. Donald Trump occupies the very center of their lives. As long as Donald Trump remains in the White House, they feel powerless and diminished and panicked. They cannot be happy. And everything they do, their overriding goal is to remove Donald Trump from office. And that’s exactly what they’re trying to do now. That’s what these riots are about.

The most privilege in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else. Got that? That’s the sum of it. The most privileged are using the most desperate to seize power from the rest of us. They are not seeking racial justice. If they were seeing racial just, they wouldn’t be denouncing their fellow Americans for their race. Which they are. It has nothing to do with it. What they are seeking is total control of the country. And it goes without saying that none of this has anything to do with George Floyd.

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Eliminating the police does not mean eliminating authority. There is always authority. There are no vacuums in nature. The only question is whether or not the authority is legitimate. Whether or not the authority is accountable. Whether or not you can do anything if the authority abuses of power. In the absence of law enforcement, the answer is “No”.

It means thugs are in charge. The most violent people have the most power. They can do whatever they want to you. That’s the reality. Everyone obeys the violent people or they get hurt. The mob literally rules.

That probably sound like a nightmare to you because it is. But the people pushing this idea don’t see it as scary because they don’t fear the mob because they control the mob. That’s the key and they see violence as an instrument of their political power. With mobs in the streets that they control, they will finally get what they want. Donald Trump out of office and a hammer lock on the country. That’s what’s happening.



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[mgray]

Black Lives don't matter to Antifa. My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2020/06/03/black-lives-dont-matter-to-antifa-dems/)

[Gwin Ru]

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The Saker's overview:


The systemic collapse of the US society has begun (http://thesaker.is/the-systemic-collapse-of-the-us-society-has-begun/)

June 04, 2020
[this article was written for the Unz Review (https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-systemic-collapse-of-the-us-society-has-begun/)]

I have lived in the United States for a total of 24 years and I have witnessed many crises over this long period, but what is taking place today is truly unique and much more serious than any previous crisis I can recall. And to explain my point, I would like to begin by saying what I believe the riots we are seeing taking place in hundreds of US cities are not about. They are not about:


Racism or “White privilege”
Police violence
Social alienation and despair
Poverty
Trump
The liberals pouring fuel on social fires
The infighting of the US elites/deep state

They are not about any of these because they encompass all of these issues, and more.

It is important to always keep in mind the distinction between the concepts of “cause” and “pretext”. And while it is true that all the factors listed above are real (at least to some degree, and without looking at the distinction between cause and effect), none of them are the true cause of what we are witnessing. At most, the above are pretexts, triggers if you want, but the real cause of what is taking place today is the systemic collapse of the US society.

The next thing which we must also keep in mind is that evidence of correlation is not evidence of causality. Take, for example, this article from CNN entitled “US black-white inequality in 6 stark charts (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/black-white-us-financial-inequality/index.html)” which completely conflates the two concepts and which includes the following sentence (stress added) “Those disparities exist because of a long history of policies that excluded and exploited black Americans, said Valerie Wilson, director of the program on race, ethnicity and the economy at the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning group.” The word “because” clearly point to a causality, yet absolutely nothing in the article or data support this. The US media is chock-full of such conflations of correlation and causality, yet it is rarely denounced.

For a society, any society, to function a number of factors that make up the social contract need to be present. The exact list that make up these factors will depend on each individual country, but they would typically include some kind of social consensus, the acceptance by most people of the legitimacy of the government and its institutions, often a unifying ideology or, at least, common values, the presence of a stable middle-class, the reasonable hope for a functioning “social life”, educational institutions etc. Finally, and cynically, it always helps the ruling elites if they can provide enough circuses (TV) and bread (food) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses) to most citizens. This is even true of so-called authoritarian/totalitarian societies which, contrary to the liberal myth, typically do enjoy the support of a large segment of the population (if only because these regimes are often more capable of providing for the basic needs of society).

Right now, I would argue that the US government has almost completely lost its ability to deliver any of those factors, or act to repair the broken social contract. In fact, what we can observe is the exact opposite: the US society is highly divided, as is the US ruling class (which is even more important). Not only that, but ever since the election of Trump, all the vociferous Trump-haters have been undermining the legitimacy not only of Trump himself, but of the political system which made his election possible. I have been saying that for years: by saying “not my President” the Trump-haters have de-legitimized not only Trump personally, but also de-legitimized the Executive branch as such.
[Sidebar: this is an absolutely amazing phenomenon: while for almost four years Trump has been destroying the US Empire externally, Trump-haters spent the same four years destroying the USA from the inside! If we look past the (largely fictional) differences between the Republicrats and the Demolicans we can see that they operate like a demolition tag-team of sorts and while they hate each other with a passion, they both contribute to bringing down both the Empire and the United States. For anybody who has studied dialectics this would be very predictable but, alas, dialectics are not taught anymore, hence the stunned “dear in the headlights” look on the faces of most people today]
Finally, it is pretty clear that for all its disclaimers about supporting only the “peaceful protestors” and its condemnation of the “out of town looters”, most of the US media (as well as the alt media) is completely unable to give a moral/ethical evaluation of what is taking place. What I mean by this is the following:
By repeating mantras about how “Black anger is legitimate” the US liberal media is basically placing a seal of approval on the violence and looting.
After all, if Black “anger” is legitimate, and if “White privilege” is real, then it is quite “understandable” that this “anger” “sometimes” “boils over” and leads to “regrettable” “excesses”. Just take a look at this image of Biden kneeling down before a Black demonstrator:


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Of course, Biden and his supporters will claim that Biden was only kneeling before a cute little girl and her peacefully protesting father, but when combined with the attacks against Trump’s “law and order” rhetoric by Biden and his supporters (including four former US Presidents! (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/obama-bush-carter-george-floyd-protests.html)), I believe that these kinds of photo-ops are sending a very different message: keep “protesting” as we are on your side which, coming from a guy like Biden, the ultimate symbol of the 1%er elites and a perfect example of “White privilege”, just goes to show that the hypocrisy of US politicians really knows no bounds or limits.
[Sidebar: I have to note here that these riots also represent a potential danger for both factions of the Uniparty in power: for the Demolicans the riots probably represent the very last chance to prevent a Trump-reelection, but if the Demolicans are too obvious in support of the riots, then it could backfire against them and turn all the frightened “law and order” types against them. But if they do not support the riots, then the Demolicans will alienate their core constituency (a hodgepodge of various “minorities” pushing their narrow identity-politics agenda). Likewise, for Trump this is an opportunity to show his “law and order” credentials and promise the White people and the relatively fewer Blacks of his base that he will protect them. However, if he is too direct about this and if Trump orders what might be seen by many as unfair or excessive force (of which there has been a lot almost everywhere), then he risks pushing many moderate Republicrats over the edge and side with the Demolicans (or, at least, withhold their vote). In other words, both factions of the Uniparty feel that the riots are both an opportunity and a threat and this is why neither faction can come out and speak truthfully about the real causes of the riots.]

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The exact same message of weakness and even submissive impotence is, I believe, sent every time a cop kneels when confronting even peaceful demonstrators like on this photo. While this might be intended as a message of compassion, and maybe even an apology, the only thing the rioters will see here is a powerful sign of surrender of the local authorities and I find that extremely dangerous.


Yes, there are plenty of racist, violent and otherwise incompetent cops in the USA. And yes, many of my Black friends reported feeling singled out and treated rudely by cops. But having extensively traveled the world, I want to assure you that the US most definitely does not have the worst cops out there. In fact, I believe that most US cops are decent people. Much more importantly, these cops are the “thin blue line” which protects society against criminals. And while I do believe that US policemen ought to be better educated, better trained, better led and better supervised, I also realize that there is also no short term alternative to them. It is all very fine to dream about educated, peaceful and non-racist cops, but if you remove the existing police force from the equation, there are no other alternatives (the national guard or the regular armed forces do not qualify and don’t have the correct training to deal with civilians anyway), especially in those states which have successfully killed the 2nd Amendment by means of what I call “death by a thousand regulatory cuts” (including NY and NJ).

Then there is what Solzhenitsyn called the “decline of courage” in the West: the vast majority US politicians have basically lost the ability to criticize Blacks, even when it is quite obvious that many of the current problems of the Black population of the USA are created by Blacks themselves: I think of the truly vulgar, obscene and overall disgusting “rap culture” with which most Black youth are now “educated” in since early childhood or how many Black youth have been brainwashed into considering gang members and street prostitutes as the measure of what “looking cool” looks like in terms of clothes, language and overall behavior. I believe that it is pretty obvious to any person who lived in the USA that Blacks are very often (mostly?) the cause of their own misery: I can tell you that my Jamaican and Sub-Saharan African friends (who live in the USA) have told me many times that a) they think that US Blacks have opportunities which they would never have in Africa or Jamaica and that b) local Blacks often resent Africans and Jamaican Blacks because the latter do so much better in the US society. I can also testify to the fact that I have seen a lot of anti-Latino feelings from US Blacks. As for how Blacks often feel about Asians, all we need to do is remember the LA riots in 1992. Finally, I do believe that many (most?) people in the USA know that the strongest and most frequent form of racism in the USA will be anti-White, especially from politically engaged Blacks.

I can personally attest that there is plenty of anti-White racism in the USA. Not only did I experience it myself (I lived in Washington, DC from 1986-1991), but it has been amply documented by people like Colin Flaherty whose books “White Girl Bleed A Lot: The Return of Racial Violence to America and How the Media Ignore It (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E4W5OBY/)” and “Knockout Game a Lie?: Awww, Hell No! (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OQVFLVW/)” are excellent primers on Black on White violence and racism. Yet, anybody daring to suggest that US Blacks themselves are at least partially responsible for their own plight will immediately be labeled a “racist”.

To those of you who live outside the USA, I would recommend this simple thought experiment: just take 20-30 minutes and watch the footage of BOTH the “peaceful protests” AND “the violent riots” and look carefully not only at what the folks you see in the footage are wearing, but also how they speak, how they act, what they say and how they say it and ask yourself a simple question: would you want to hire any of these guys and pay them a decent salary? I very much doubt that many of you would. Frankly, most of these rioters are unhirable, and “racism” has nothing to do with this.

The fact is that what is sometimes called the “MTV culture” is, in reality, nothing else than a systematic glorification of criminal mayhem. Forget about rap hits like the famous “*** Da Police (https://youtu.be/Z7-TTWgiYL4)” or “Kill d’White People (https://youtu.be/RwljoWYEd8c)“, I would argue that 99% of rap is a glorification of all the worst problems of Black communities in the USA (drugs, violence, promiscuous sex, objectification of women, alcoholism, glorification of criminal behavior in the streets and in prisons, etc.). Yet most US politicians seem to be paralyzed and feel the need to pretend like they are absolutely charmed by this so-called “Black culture”. But it is even worse than that.

Combine an emasculated ruling polity which does not dare to call a stone and stone and which promotes a (pretend) “culture” which glorifies violence and hatred against all non-criminals, including law abiding Black who are called “Toms” and who are also singled out as in this “beautiful” rap which includes the following “verses”: “Then you got niggas that’s blacker then the night, Running around town saying their best friends are white, Niggas like that are gonna hang up from a tree, And burn them up alive and let everybody see” (check out this “beautiful” rap here (https://youtu.be/lrqtfNc6duY) and for the full lyrics, a truly fascinating read, here (https://genius.com/Mc-ren-do-you-believe-lyrics)). Next, throw in a completely dysfunctional state which is owned and operated by a tiny gang of obscenely rich narcissistic bastards (of all races, very much including Blacks (https://www.yahoo.com/news/susan-rice-blames-foreign-actors-120019152.html)), add to it a total absence of any real social opportunities, then toss in the COVID pandemic and the worst recession in US history with record high levels of unemployment even among those who would be employable (folks with dropped down pants, excessive tattoos, past felony convictions and a comprehensively non-professional attitude would not even get a job even if the economy was booming). Then, you get a relatively localized “spark” (like the murder of George Floyd by a gang of arrogant imbeciles in uniform) to start a fire which will instantly spread throughout the entire country, especially since there are so many other groups besides Blacks who want to “piggyback” their personal agenda on top of the one of Black Lives Matter or Antifa (I am, of course, referring to the real cornucopia of Trump-haters which never accepted his election).


Conclusion 1: this is not the US version of the Gilets Jaunes!

Some might be tempted to say that what we are seeing in the USA is a US version of the French Gilets Jaunes. I assure you that it is not. For one thing, the Gilets Jaunes had a pretty clear political program. US rioters do not. Next, the Gilets Jaunes were mostly peaceful and much of the violence was instigated by the French police forces (including the use of fake rioters). While there are definitely peaceful protesters in the USA, neither BLM or AntiFa have truly denounced the riots (and why should they when the USA media and politicians don’t have the courage to do that either?). Finally, the French ruling classes and media did not show the kind of “understanding” of the riots which did take place although Macron did pose with two “gangstas” in an effort to look “cool” (which failed):


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Not only Biden, in Europe too…


Conclusion 2: this is not a revolution or a civil war

Some are now fantasizing that what we are witnessing today is either a revolution or a civil war. I believe that this is neither.

For a revolution to take place there must be a force capable of changing not the person(s) in power, but fundamentally change the regime, the polity, itself and replacing it with another one. Declaring that “Black lives matter” or looting stores or even demanding that the police be defunded, does not have this kind of potential capability.

For a civil war to take place you need a least two sides, each with a clearly identifiable political agenda. Since the see real power in the USA is hidden from the public awareness, there is no potential for a “the people vs the rulers” kind of civil war in the US. A “Right/Conservative vs Left/Liberal” civil war is also not possible, because both the US Right and the US Left are, in reality controlled by a deep state which is neither liberal nor conservative. Finally, a “rematch” between North and South is not possible either because the modern USA is not really split along North/South lines anymore. In terms of geography, there is somewhat of a “Big cities vs rural USA” split, but it takes place in both the north and the south of the country. Instead, what we do observe is a social breakup of the USA into “zones” some of which will be doing much better than others (big cities with a strong Black population fare the worst, mostly White small towns fare best; that is even true within the same state). In some of these zones, we will see more of this kind of acts of self-protection:


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This kind of confrontations, even if they are not violent, are yet another illustration of the state being simply unable to take charge and protect the people.


Conclusion 3: this is an insurrection which has initiated the systemic collapse of the US society

I call what is happening today an insurrection: a violent revolt or rebellion against the authorities as such. When you burn a police precinct you do not “protest” against the actions of a few cops, no, what you are doing is expelling the cops from your neighborhood (I know that personally. In Argentina I lived in a suburb of Buenos-Aires in which the police station was attacked so often that it closed and was never rebuilt). And since in a civilized society the state should have the monopoly on the (legal) use of force, you are basically rejecting the authority and legitimacy of the state which operates the police force. This insurrection is most unlikely to remove Trump from office (hence it is not a coup or a revolution), but the anti-Trump faction of the ruling elites have now clearly adopted the strategy of “worse is better” simply because they realize that these riots are probably their last chance to blame it all on Trump (and Russia (https://www.rt.com/usa/490191-minneapolis-putin-russian-meddling/), why not?!) and maybe, just maybe, defeat him in November.

Right now all we see can only be called a mob-rule (technically referred to as an “ochlocracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy)“). But mobs, no matter how violent, rarely succeed in achieving tangible political results as they act ‘against something’ and not ‘for something’. This is why the real (behind-the-scenes) ruling classes need to instrumentalize this mob-induced insurrection to their political advantage. So far, I would say that neither the Demolicans nor the Republicrats have succeeded in this. But there is a very long and potentially extremely dangerous summer ahead and this might well change.

Irrespective of whether either faction will succeed in instrumentalizing the riots, what we are seeing today is a systemic collapse of the US society. That is not to say that the USA will disappear, not at all. But just like it took the Soviet Union a decade or more to fully collapse (roughly from 1983-1993), it will take the US many years to fully crash. And just like a New Russia eventually began taking form in 1999, there will be a New USA coming out of the current collapse. Total and final collapses are very rare, mostly they just initiate a lengthy and potentially very dangerous transformation process, the outcome of which is almost impossible to predict.

However, just as the Russian people had to stop kidding themselves with silly dreams about “democracy” and had to tackle the real problems of Russia, so will the people of the USA have to find the courage to deal with their real problems, frontally and deliberately. If they fail to do that, the country will most likely simply further disintegrate into numerous and mutually hostile entities.

Time will tell.

The Saker


PS: With respect to this post and post #24, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359682&viewfull=1#post1359682) one of the worst nightmares the McDonald franchises in Russia, in absence of bulk chains providers for vegetables, was having to deal with thousands of babushkas to satiate their customers appetite instead of having to deal with one or two chains of (GMO) providers like in the US.

[Gwin Ru]

Antifa and BLM Protest Across Europe, UK, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and Syria (https://needtoknow.news/2020/06/antifa-and-blm-protest-across-europe-uk-canada-mexico-brazil-australia-and-syria/)

June 5, 2020 (https://needtoknow.news/2020/06/) CNN, et al. (https://needtoknow.news/author/bookworm33/) 1 (https://needtoknow.news/2020/06/antifa-and-blm-protest-across-europe-uk-canada-mexico-brazil-australia-and-syria/#mh-comments)


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Antifa, Wiki


Riots and rallies against America, racism, police brutality, and Trump broke out in Greece, England, Ireland, Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, Holland, Poland, Syria, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, indicating a high level of organization, coordination, and funding. On Wednesday, rioters in Greece hurled firebombs towards the US Embassy in Athens. Antifa and Black Lives Matter professionals have taken to the streets of London. On Wednesday, scuffles broke out in front of No. 10 Downing Street as tens of thousands of people attended a rally to express “solidarity” with American protesters, and against inequalities in British society.
Protesters have marched in the US for six consecutive nights (https://cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-01-20/index.html) over the death of George Floyd (https://cnn.com/2020/05/27/us/george-floyd-trnd/index.html) at the hands of a police officer. Their anger over the killing of the unarmed black man has now spread worldwide.

Over the weekend demonstrators gathered in London, Berlin and Auckland, among other cities, to protest against police brutality in solidarity with the US crowds.

Britain
In London, protesters rallied in Trafalgar Square (https://cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-31-20/h_9efd5a6cf813599c718ccca9aa1ee8ed) on Sunday morning, in defiance of Britain’s lockdown rules which prohibit large gatherings.

Some participants marched to the US embassy in the capital’s Nine Elms area.
On Monday, the Metropolitan Police said six people were arrested at a protest

Germany
Crowds gathered in Berlin in front of the US embassy on Saturday and Sunday. Participants wore face masks and carried signs declaring “Black lives matter” and “Justice can’t wait”.

France
Activists wearing black clothing and face masks took a knee and held up signs reading “I can’t breathe,” “We are all George Floyd” and “Racism chokes us” in Paris on Monday.

Describing the video of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis as “surreal and unbearable,” the protest organizers called on “all individuals with a sense of justice” to condemn the “racist crime perpetrated by the police,” calling it an “ordinary” occurrence in the US.

Read full article here… (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/world/george-floyd-global-protests-intl/index.html)

Additional sources:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/06/01/watch-london-protest-we-need-to-burn-this-sht-the-west-is-falling/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-embassy-athens-comes-under-firebomb-attack-amid-greek-blm-protests

[Gwin Ru]

Quick summary:


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[RunningDeer]

Fox News post deleted so it isn’t used to derail the thread.
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[rgray222]

Just a point of interest, I would like to mention how language is being used to deceive the general public. Although many on Avalon may know this it took me a while to understand the deception. This truth is not targeted at any political party, both parties are proficient at this form of lying. By the way, this deception is practiced all over the world it is not confined to the USA.

ANTIFA - stands for antifascist but in actual fact, they are a fascist organization

Affordable Care Act = Obamacare - This program boldly lied on two fronts,. Care, it had nothing to do with care, it was all about who pays. It was also anything but affordable.

Patriot Act - The implication here is if you don't support this bill you are not patriotic. Now we have seen what the FISA warrants have done, they allowed one President of the USA to spy on opposition party candidate and then the president-elect before he assumed office. It was never supposed to be used against Americans but guess what..........

Farm Bill - This is one of the largest bills passed every year and every year they change the name to something topical. For instance, after the 9/11 attacks, the farm bill was named the “Farm Security Act” even though it had nothing to do with security. Then they changed the name to “Agriculture Reform, Food and Jobs Act,” because “jobs” was the hot topic of the day. It has nothing to do with reforming agriculture or jobs. The only jobs it created were for government bureaucrats. Now they are back to calling it the Farm Bill but now it wholly 80 percent of it went toward food stamps this year.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act = Stimulus Bill under Obama. The bill was successful in its attempts to “reinvest,” except it wasn’t so much reinvesting as providing handouts to politically favored special interests that dried up quickly. But maybe that was too long to fit into the bill title. I am sure we will find the same thing going on with the current stimulus bills once the dust settles.

Marketplace Fairness Act - Fairness not so much this bill turned out to be the internet sales tax. Nothing more, nothing less

People on the right march in support of the Patriot act while people on the left march in support of the Marketplace Fairness Act and the truth is that everyone is being deceived. While everyone is trying to figure out who ANTIFA is millions will look no further than...........oh it is an anti-fascist organization, can't be bad. Deception is all around.

Words Matter

[RunningDeer]

Kevin Carroll, Attorney: DC Mayor does not have
the power to send away National Guard (5:40)

Kevin Carroll, partner at Wiggin and Dana and Army Veteran, weighs in on National Guard use.





In D.C., the Mayor has asked Non-D.C. National Guard Members who were here, thinking about the folks from Utah and others who were brought in after the unrest over last weekend and through the week to leave. Can she do that? And what is the law of the land right now?

The D.C. National Guard has a unique legal status in every state in the union. The state governor is the Commander-in-Chief of the Guard, but D.C. is not a state so actually the President is the Commander of the D.C Guard. He delegates his authority to the Secretary of Defense who in turn delegates to the Secretary of the Army to run the National Guard. So strictly speaking she does not have the authority to order the National Guard units of other states to withdraw from the district.

That said, using troops in the city over the objections of the Mayor is fraught and you would hope that the Mayor and the Secretaries and the President are able to work it out, and that the individual guardsmen themselves don’t become a football here. There’s reporting in the paper that they were turned out of their hotel.

The Utah Guard and others were turned out of their hotel after 12-hour shifts on the line and thunderstorms and pouring rain and 96% humidity.

What law covers what the National Guard can and cannot do?

{snip}


LtMCD25O3Q0

[mountain_jim]

various videos and summaries of events in progress Saturday afternoon for the Washington DC protest here:

https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1269293624422006784?s=20

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https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1269295500106366978

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https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1269302698714824706?s=20

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https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1269354717760630785?s=20

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[shaberon]

but if you remove the existing police force from the equation, there are no other alternatives (the national guard or the regular armed forces do not qualify and don’t have the correct training to deal with civilians anyway)...And since in a civilized society the state should have the monopoly on the (legal) use of force, you are basically rejecting the authority and legitimacy of the state which operates the police force.

Saker is pretty accurate but is on the miss here with a couple things.

We have sheriffs. The sheriff basically is the law in an area. A city is just a kind of corporation.

The state does not operate police or sheriffs.

Again, in this country, the whole baby and bath water may be tossed by revoking one's citizenship.

If Americans resigned from citizenship, the system would vanish almost immediately.

U. S. is not your country, your state is your country. The state is equal to the people inside it. The people bear arms for its security, end of point about monopolies.

Any union is suspect, Lincoln's Empire is what most of us are living in by having consented sovereignty to the U. S. over us. It can be easily and totally fixed by the ending of citizenship, or only by a repeal of the laws that have tricked us into it.

[Bill Ryan]

A summary from Natural News, yesterday:


https://naturalnews.com/2020-06-06-antifa-radical-left-fueling-riots.html

Antifa, radical Left-wing groups are fueling riots across the US – reports

6 June, 2020

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Radical Left-wing and Communist groups are fueling the ongoing riots and protests (https://www.theepochtimes.com/antifa-other-far-left-groups-exploit-protests-for-revolution_3375358.html) across the United States, according to reports. This theory, pushed forth by authorities handling the current spate of violence, stems from the organized and well-coordinated nature of the riots.

“We have evidence that Antifa and other similar extremist groups (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-barr-antifa-riots-groups-violence-20200604-tetjann3f5ab3ptv5prkb73c2m-story.html), as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions, have been involved in instigating and participating in the violent activity,” Attorney General William Barr said during a press conference at Justice Department headquarters Thursday.

Barr linked Antifa – a loosely organized group of anti-fascist activists and anarchists with no discernible hierarchy – to activities such as arson, looting and assaults on law enforcement (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996), echoing statements made by other authorities who are also currently involved in controlling the riots.

According to John Miller, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism, certain unnamed groups were found to have organized scouts and medics specifically for those who are participating in the riots and protests.

These groups, Miller said, were also financially well-prepared, with the groups and their organizers able to carefully set out and raise bail money (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypds-terrorism-chief-says-unnamed-groups-planned-protest-violence-in-advance/2440722/) in case some protesters get detained.

The groups, Miller added, have also developed a complex network of bicycle scouts.

These scouts would move ahead of demonstrators in order to direct individuals from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism such as the torching police vehicles.

More troubling, Miller said, is the growing evidence that outside agitators are organizing the violence (http://violence.news), pointing out in an interview with NBC New York that one out of every seven arrests made during the riots in New York involved people from out of state.

A similar situation has been noted in Minnesota, where the protests first began.

In a press briefing, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, a Democrat, stressed that several “bad actors” have infiltrated what he called were “rightful protests,” (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/minneapolis-protests-george-floyd-outsiders-looting) adding that 80 percent of the rioters have come from outside the state.

“The situation in Minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd,” he said, referring to the black man who was killed by a white police officer late last month.

“It is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great city,” Walz said.

Walz’s comments echo that of conservative journalist and editor Andy Ngo, who is currently covering the recent demonstrations and riots.

In a series of tweets, Ngo, who writes for the conservative publication The Post Millennial, said that the current spate of violence and riots are the direct result of the activation of militant Antifa cells across the country who are now being mobilized to aid Black Lives Matter (BLM) rioters.

Bernard B. Kerik, a former police commissioner of the New York City Police Department, agrees, saying in an interview with The Epoch Times that he believes that the protests have been “100 percent exploited” by Antifa, and that the group’s various websites often control and dictate where the protests and riots start.

According to Kerik, the group – which espouses radical, leftist and socialist ideas – is currently actively promoting riots and protests in 40 different states and 60 cities. (Related: Origins of Antifa (Briefly, what is Antifa and why should anyone care about it?) (https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04-23-origins-of-antifa-briefly-what-is-antifa-and-why-should-anyone-care-about-it.html))

Kerik, in his Epoch Times interview, noted that organizing the protests and riots would have likely cost “tens of millions of dollars,” adding that it would be “impossible” for somebody outside of the anarchist organization to fund this operation.

The claims linking Antifa to extremist violence have not escaped the White House.

In a tweet posted May 31, President Donald Trump threatened to declare the group a terrorist organization.

Legal experts, however, say the President may face problems with pushing forward with that decision as there is no provision in federal law to designate a domestic organization as a terror group.

Experts also noted that ideological movements such as Antifa are protected under the First Amendment (https://www.ajc.com/news/fbi-finds-evidence-antifa-involvement-national-unrest/qVI3U9wb8Q6u1QEvVsJ7AJ/).

“There is no authority under law to do that (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html?referringSource=articleShare) – and if such a statute were passed, it would face serious First Amendment challenges (http://firstamendment.news),” Mary B. McCord, a former head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division, said in an interview with The New York Times.

Sources include:


TheEpochTimes.com (https://www.theepochtimes.com/antifa-other-far-left-groups-exploit-protests-for-revolution_3375358.html)
NYDailyNews.com (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-barr-antifa-riots-groups-violence-20200604-tetjann3f5ab3ptv5prkb73c2m-story.html)
ABCNews.go.com (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996)
NBCNewYork.com (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypds-terrorism-chief-says-unnamed-groups-planned-protest-violence-in-advance/2440722/)
TheGuardian.com (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/minneapolis-protests-george-floyd-outsiders-looting)
AJC.com (https://www.ajc.com/news/fbi-finds-evidence-antifa-involvement-national-unrest/qVI3U9wb8Q6u1QEvVsJ7AJ/)
NYTimes.com (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html?referringSource=articleShare)

[Tintin]

America Under Siege: Antifa by Trevor Loudon
Free Speech Dies Undefended

In light of current events this interesting short documentary is timely and explores the activities of Antifa, also featuring some well known commentators from the conservative end of the alternative community, documenting instances where they have been singled out by this organisation. Also in the Avalon Library but viewable here as well.

Source: Dangerous Documentaries (https://www.dangerousdocumentaries.com/film/america-under-siege-antifa/)

Description:


Dressed in all black from head to toe, wearing masks, wielding bats, and throwing urine bottles while chanting “No Trump, No Wall, No USA at All!”, the communist movement known as Antifa has caught the attention of the nation, gaining fame after the violence this past year in Charlottesville, Virginia and Berkeley, California.

America Under Siege: Antifa is a documentary film that answers three critical questions:

Who is Antifa? Why are they organizing? What are their goals?

Trevor Loudon, an investigative researcher and author from New Zealand with 30 years of experience studying radical political movements, unveils the history, motives, and goals of the so-called “Antifascist” movement in America and around the world.

The film features exclusive interviews from well-known conservatives, many have whom have been personally attacked by Antifa, including author and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, radio host Steve Deace, journalist and free speech activist Lauren Southern, Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, author of Citizens for Trump Jack Posobiec, and activist Lindsay Grathwohl.

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[edina]

I remember when I first heard about Antifa, it was during the Occupy protests about 10 years ago.

They were in Portland and people were protesting one of the big "G" meetings.

For years people have been fighting the TPP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership). I can remember some activists had gotten a hold of a chapter of the TPP and it went viral online.

It seemed to me that we all knew that the TPP was not good for most of humanity.

Then Trump was elected President and one of the first things he did was to take us out of that very bad deal.

My first head's up that what I thought about Antifa was wrong was that the movement that I thought had fought so hard to stop TPP, didn't seem to care that Trump had essentially done (https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership) that with his pen.

Then later I heard about Andy Ngo (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359336&viewfull=1#post1359336).

I stumbled across this video last night, while looking for something else. It's an interview with a young man who had been active in Antifa about 10 years ago. It's interesting to hear what his mindset was back then.

I suspect that since then Antifa got hi-jacked. But, even in it's more "innocent" days, he described the Antifa mindset as mob mentality.

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[edina]

Another comment he made that I thought was interesting was that the debate within his Antifa group was more along the lines of what qualifies as personal property versus private property, toothbrush versus home.

This is along the lines of some of the points that Lara Logan mentioned (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359336&viewfull=1#post1359336).

[Gracy]

Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?

[edina]

I can feel your frustration and pain, Gracy May.

People are sharing stories all over social media, and in this particular state of global chaos, many people are getting hurt. To me, it's way beyond a sort of polarized position of one side good/another side bad. There's a lot at play here. In some ways, it could be said we are in the fog of war, psychological war, and what I think are very real attempts to make a heretofore "silent" war go hot.

Many people are having strong knee-jerk reactions. And many other people are weighing in on what's happening in very balanced, and thoughtful ways.

I've seen many heart-warming stories of kindness and compassionate action, in addition to the blood-boiling, heart-breaking stories.

I think we are well beyond, one side or another. This is much bigger than all the petty divisions.

For myself, I think it's important to step back, try to not let myself become "Incited" to strong reactions, and to observe with an intent to understand, many points of view, in the context of the bigger picture.

But, I can understand when people do react strongly.

Are there places to build bridges of understanding, to stand in the gap, so to speak?

This thread just happens to be about Antifa, I see it as a bucket for people to share their information and insights related to this topic.

I don't think it's about Antifa, Antifa, Antifa, anymore than it was ever about Russia, Russia, Russia.

However, there is probably some historical context to Russia.

A similar model was used in the French Revolution, Hitler's Revolution, the Stalinist/Leninist Operation, Mao's Revolution, then later his weaponization of young Chinese in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot, the Soros color revolutions in Eastern Europe, and countless smaller operations.

The difference is that this one has gone global.

I feel that the more we understand the whole situation, the better humanity has a chance of navigating this without self-destructing.

[edina]

An analogy may be to see this as a bifurcation point, for humanity.

In systems theory, an organism reaches a critical mass point where it has to make a choice, evolve or die.

I'm not certain if I'm clear on what this 'bifurcation' decision is, yet. Maybe other people have some ideas.

If I understand the Antifa (Anarcho Socialism) ideology accurately, it is that all institutions must be destroyed because they are in the way of instituting their desired system.

I've been considering for a while that when people refer to their socialism as Marxist, it may be inaccurate.
Some of the people involved in Antifa refer to themselves as Stalinist/Leninist.

However, as I've looked closer to try to understand it seems to me that a more accurate term may be Marcuse (http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publications/1960s/1965-repressive-tolerance-fulltext.html) Socialism. (I haven't seen anyone else use this phrase.)

These are the ideas that seem to be taught in the academic world. (Adorno, Gramsci, Marcuse)

[Jayke]

Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?

Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359663&viewfull=1#post1359663). The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:


”Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

The book Communism Unmasked (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Communism-Unmasked-Abba-Gordin/dp/1163145084) is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

[Gracy]

Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?

Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359663&viewfull=1#post1359663). The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:


”Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

The book Communism Unmasked (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Communism-Unmasked-Abba-Gordin/dp/1163145084) is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

Well you know Jayke, I here answers like that every time I bring up a basic question like that. "It's not about sides"...

Okay, so it's not about sides then. If this is indeed so, how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?

I'm looking for fair and balanced, but not seeing much of it in literal terms.

[edina]

America Under Siege: Antifa by Trevor Loudon
Free Speech Dies Undefended

In light of current events this interesting short documentary is timely and explores the activities of Antifa, also featuring some well known commentators from the conservative end of the alternative community, documenting instances where they have been singled out by this organisation. Also in the Avalon Library but viewable here as well.

Source: Dangerous Documentaries (https://www.dangerousdocumentaries.com/film/america-under-siege-antifa/)

Description:


Dressed in all black from head to toe, wearing masks, wielding bats, and throwing urine bottles while chanting “No Trump, No Wall, No USA at All!”, the communist movement known as Antifa has caught the attention of the nation, gaining fame after the violence this past year in Charlottesville, Virginia and Berkeley, California.

America Under Siege: Antifa is a documentary film that answers three critical questions:

Who is Antifa? Why are they organizing? What are their goals?

Trevor Loudon, an investigative researcher and author from New Zealand with 30 years of experience studying radical political movements, unveils the history, motives, and goals of the so-called “Antifascist” movement in America and around the world.

The film features exclusive interviews from well-known conservatives, many have whom have been personally attacked by Antifa, including author and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, radio host Steve Deace, journalist and free speech activist Lauren Southern, Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, author of Citizens for Trump Jack Posobiec, and activist Lindsay Grathwohl.

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This is an excellent documentary Tintin!

It also ties into what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 90's, demoralization, or strategic deception. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1227922&viewfull=1#post1227922)


Yuri Bezmenov 1983 lecture (this is the full interview , always good to keep as a reference)
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This goes for any country. Any similarity is no Coincidence.

This video was made in 1985. Capitalism x Communism dialectic was clear in the mint of the masses in those days.

Today the visible agenda is the Global fascism Corporate. The financial slavery and mind control indoctrination based on beliefs of all kinds are the main tools.

The invisible agenda is to maintain the spiritual fascism.

Control, deception and ignorance to obtain consent for the maintenance of planet Earth farm in all physical and astral levels.


They will not see it, until their totalitarian government kicks their fat asses. It will be too late...

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For a while, I thought all of this was happening, somewhat like Yuri described, the deception was so successful that the programming is essentially running on its own through several generations now.

I saw it somewhat like a perpetual motion machine. Where the energy is turned off and it just keeps spinning.

I now think I was wrong, It's looks like there has been a lot of energy injected into this machine.

[edina]

And to expand on the above thought process...

Operation InfeKtion: How Russia Perfected the Art of War | NYT Opinion
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Russia’s meddling in the United States’ elections is not a hoax. It’s the culmination of Moscow’s decades-long campaign to tear the West apart. “Operation InfeKtion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION)” reveals the ways in which one of the Soviets’ central tactics — the promulgation of lies about America — continues today, from Pizzagate to George Soros conspiracies. Meet the KGB spies who conceived this virus and the American truth squads who tried — and are still trying — to fight it. Countries from Pakistan to Brazil are now debating reality, and in Vladimir Putin’s greatest triumph, Americans are using Russia’s playbook against one another without the faintest clue.


In my opinion though, this is only an aspect of the picture. It extends further back, into the previous century, and involves the precursor of Tavistock.

This isn't confined to Russia. It's done by many players, intel agencies, black ops, nations, political organizations, corporations, lobbyists, NGOS, Charities, Academia, Media, and on and on and on.

For example, some intel people consider Iranians masters of this game. China considers itself a master, with 5000 years of history to draw upon.

The fog of psychological war.

A political virus of deception.

Or as Martin Geddes coined it: Deception v Discernment

Related:
Q 827 (https://qmap.pub/read/827) Stanislav Lunev & The BRIDGE
Q !UW.yye1fxo 23 Feb 2018 - 11:53:47 PM
Stanislav Lunev. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Lunev)
The BRIDGE.
Payback for today.
Q
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Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death (https://archive.org/details/AmusingOurselvesToDeathByNeil203/mode/2up)

Trust Me, I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday (https://paulminors.com/blog/trust-im-lying-ryan-holiday-book-summary-pdf/)

Mockingbird Media (https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmockingbird.htm)

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(And guess what, can you identify the disinformation in the New York Times documentary?) Please note this documentary was published Nov 25, 2018.

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Key point: They want you divided. (And then people argue about who is "they".) :)

[shaberon]

A similar model was used in the French Revolution, Hitler's Revolution, the Stalinist/Leninist Operation, Mao's Revolution, then later his weaponization of young Chinese in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot, the Soros color revolutions in Eastern Europe, and countless smaller operations.

The difference is that this one has gone global.

I feel that the more we understand the whole situation, the better humanity has a chance of navigating this without self-destructing.

Since America is not among this list, it was somehow different.

If I need a continental ally, Marquis de Lafayette.

In the next century there was an unusual type of revolution in Italy, which was Garibaldi attempting to restore a Bourbon monarch. Seen in the view that he was perhaps aware of what happened to France, it may make sense, and add to it that he did not accept Lincoln's offer of command because slavery was not really the issue of the war, he knew it was empire.

The discussion that there are not two sides does not mean they cease to inflict horrendous losses on each other. They are not two sides since both stand on the same pillar. No matter what happens, the pillar is oppressed onto the majority of the population. Historically, left vs. right really were natural enemies, and the working unit of a "pillar" could be described as London-based on the Rape of India, and then the U. S. Federal Reserve, and finally Bank of International Settlements.

The American Revolution, and maybe a few other situations, are resistance against the pillar. In the western sense, it probably is somewhat accurate to call it Saturnine, since this would also mean a hijacked distortion of the original Saturnalia. I tend to see the murder of Hypatia as the emergence of the "angry mob" of it. From there you do get a pretty violent dark age.

It is, more or less, the same continuous struggle between a humanistic side, and a de-humanizing one. Along with the same tactics still being used. Humanism attempted to make a comeback through the Medici Renaissance but was driven out. Despite the continuation of that name, Medici wealth and property were given to Tuscany.

Syria is giving their version a good quashing. Talk about learning on your feet. And yet still the much-vaunted Islamic terrorists have not come out to take advantage here. Where are you when we need you, credible terror threat?

So in the U. S., you get John Birch, Rand Corporation and so on making a huge deal about the "threat" of communism--whereas it is more accurate to say it is long since installed--in order to defend Corporate Fascism. Both theories are fairly successful, one in more of a governmental/societal aspect, and the other perhaps more exclusive, and they all are delivering some form of modern law which dominates the system over the individual.

[Jayke]

Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359663&viewfull=1#post1359663). The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:


”Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

The book Communism Unmasked (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Communism-Unmasked-Abba-Gordin/dp/1163145084) is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

Well you know Jayke, I here answers like that every time I bring up a basic question like that. "It's not about sides"...

Okay, so it's not about sides then. If this is indeed so, how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?

I'm looking for fair and balanced, but not seeing much of it in literal terms.

Where specifically have you heard answers like mine all the time? Because the left or right outlets certainly won’t go that deep to the core of the issue. How much evidence do you need to show that this isn’t a left vs right issue? Despite how much you seem to wish it was that basic. It’s about character development (virtue vs immorality) not what side of the isle someone chooses to plant ones flag. That’s completely beside the point. If you don’t think Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult funds antifa (based on the ample and increasing evidence which suggests they do) then feel free to share your evidence for alternatives. I garuntee you there’ll be more evidence to support the previous conclusion than any of the alternatives you bring up. To be fair and balanced you have to shake off your personal biases and follow the evidence regardless of how uncomfortable it might make you. I’m happy to go there, if you’ve got alternatives to offer.


how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?

How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from. They’ve been using the same tactics since the ‘mixing of tongues’ in Sumeria and Babylon. Hence why people like Joseph Farrell call them the Babylonian banksters (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Babylons-Banksters-Alchemy-Physics-Religion/dp/1932595791). Plenty of evidence in Farrells books, among plenty of other sources (books though, you’ll have to turn the tv off) if you genuinely care to find the evidence that’ll unveil the truth of how ‘sides’ have been pitted against each other to further the agenda of ruling elites.

Keeping people locked in the left vs right dichotomy is how they prevent people from focusing on the important work of cultivating virtue in their societies. Been that way since long before Jesus was kicking the parasitic money lenders out of the sacred temple.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/mizdonna/status/1269902953940488192?s=20

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this guy, on the other hand, almost certainly not Antifa I suspect, but any affiliations not reported in the article so far

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1269970680960991232?s=20

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[Gracy]

How much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?


How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from.

Hey Jayke. Listen I don't want to further derail us here, I was only addressing where you said there is no Left/Right going on here, the rest of what you're had to say is indeed deep and insightful. As usual.

However a quick perusal of much of the sourcing on this thread, will easily demonstrate my point above. How many posts are based just on FOX NEWS alone?

This discussion does lean very heavy to the Right/pro Trump, very similar to how the Q thread leans heavily to the Right/pro Trump. That's all fine and dandy, just don't shoot the messenger that points this out.

I would point out the same it this was mostly based on lefty commentators, MSNBC and the like, with the focus being on a right wing boogeyman.

:focus:

[edina]

I know that I've shared some videos that came from the Fox network on this thread.
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359336&viewfull=1#post1359336)
In my mind, I was sharing Lara Logan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Logan). It's quite telling to me that Fox is the only network (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lara+logan) that is sharing Lara's information regarding Antifa?

The other networks have carried much of her information in the past, but not right now, on the Antifa topic.

Because it was shared on Fox doesn't mean it ought to be full-on discredited. And when one listens to those clips, it's quite balanced, there's really not any political position on it. Just what's she's learned about Antifa.

Another thought, Breitbart and ZeroHedge often share Jonathan Turley, but that doesn't make Jonathan Turley defacto right wing.

I've also shared information from other sources. As have other people.

Feel free to share Antifa-related information from sources you prefer.

I'm sure that at some point, James Corbett will do some podcasts on it.
If, or when, he does, pop them in here.

This is why we share, many minds collaborating to deepen understanding.

[Brigantia]

The book Communism Unmasked (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Communism-Unmasked-Abba-Gordin/dp/1163145084) is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

That sounds like an interesting book, but pricey so I had a look around and the University of California has made it available online via the Hathi Trust. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b591661&view=1up&seq=13

[Jayke]

How much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?


How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from.

Hey Jayke. Listen I don't want to further derail us here, I was only addressing where you said there is no Left/Right going on here, the rest of what you're had to say is indeed deep and insightful. As usual.

However a quick perusal of much of the sourcing on this thread, will easily demonstrate my point above. How many posts are based just on FOX NEWS alone?

This discussion does lean very heavy to the Right/pro Trump, very similar to how the Q thread leans heavily to the Right/pro Trump. That's all fine and dandy, just don't shoot the messenger that points this out.

I would point out the same it this was mostly based on lefty commentators, MSNBC and the like, with the focus being on a right wing boogeyman.

:focus:

Not really, much like the Q thread, the sourcing is wide and varied, and focuses more on objective evidence rather than just mainstream media narratives. I personally haven’t watched any Fox News, besides the occasional Tucker Carlson show. I’d be happy to dissect any pro-antifa narratives if anyone cared to share them on a thread about antifa, see how they measure up to the reality of the situation currently unfolding around the world at large. No shooting the messenger, just pointing out any fallacies and inconsistencies within the message itself.

Truth doesn’t care about allegiance to left or right, I’m happy to have a dialectic discussion to see how both sides of the isle are spinning narratives to further their own agendas. What does the narrative of the verifiable evidence suggest? How much is just spin or interjection? What are both sides showing as a way to distract from what’s really going on behind the scenes?

With everything that’s going on in America and around the world with the antifa organised protests, how many people caught this article by the saker of Trump managing to avert another war with Iran recently? Saker dislikes Trump as much as you do but still begrudgingly gives him credit when it’s due.

http://thesaker.is/did-trump-just-cancel-a-potential-double-war/

Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.

Feel free to discuss, it all fits within the broader picture of social engineering and fake news that are the true topics of discussion within the Q threads.

[TravelerJim]

Good to see this thread. I would point out that Black Lives Matter is at the top of the pyramid an equally dangerous organization with ulterior motives. This is an interesting story from Zero Hedge on the situation in Australia:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/black-lives-matter-melbourne-tells-white-people-no-selfies

From the BLM own publication for this event:

“FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. If a black person tells you to do something, you do it immediately without question. You respect the authority and decisions of the black protestors at all times.”

As this goes on longer and longer, I think more and more people will become truly "awake".

[Jayke]

The book Communism Unmasked (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Communism-Unmasked-Abba-Gordin/dp/1163145084) is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

That sounds like an interesting book, but pricey so I had a look around and the University of California has made it available online via the Hathi Trust. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b591661&view=1up&seq=13

It’s an excellent book, just be aware that they tackle the issue of international Jewry, it doesn’t touch on how Judaism itself was infiltrated by the Iberian blue bloods and the d’este family back in medieval times as cover for their nefarious activities. Best read in conjunction with the book ‘The Game of Saturn (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Saturn-Decoding-Sola-Busca-tarrochi/dp/1912316048)’ by Peter Mark Adams to get a clearer perspective on who the oligarchic elite ruling families are or stem from.

[Gracy]

Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.

Well for starters, I would have to reckon that declaring a domestic entity that is headless, with no official membership a terrorist organization, sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. How much would this new State power march hand in hand with indefinite detention, as set forth in another dangerous precedent we all know as the National Defense Authorization Act, under Obama.

Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.

What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.

Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.

[Jayke]

Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.

Well for starters, I would have to reckon that declaring a domestic entity that is headless, with no official membership a terrorist organization, sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. How much would this new State power march hand in hand with indefinite detention, as set forth in another dangerous precedent we all know as the National Defense Authorization Act, under Obama.

Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.

What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.

Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.

The protests seem a little too well organised to be headless don’t you think? Just because the head of the organisation is obfuscated, doesn’t mean it isn’t there or that antifa is somehow a spontaneous or organic movement. An interesting book from the Tavistock Institute... The Social Engagement of Social Science (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Social-Engagement-Science-Socio-Ecological-Socio-economical/dp/0812281942/ref=pd_sbs_14_2/257-4243733-6458968?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0812281942&pd_rd_r=05d9a05f-3848-4e76-872d-092a50fdf8d0&pd_rd_w=AswFY&pd_rd_wg=5nn8i&pf_rd_p=2773aa8e-42c5-4dbe-bda8-5cdf226aa078&pf_rd_r=QBFA7J41W54CQV1GM8SG&psc=1&refRID=QBFA7J41W54CQV1GM8SG)


World War II brought together a group of psychiatrists and clinical and social psychologists in the British Army who developed a number of radical, action-oriented organizational innovations in social psychiatry. They became known as the "Tavistock Group," since the core members had been at the pre-war Tavistock Clinic. At the post-war Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, they developed a pioneering mode of relating theory and practice, called in these volumes "The Social Engagement of Social Science." Previous volumes presented two of three interdependent perspectives: the socio-psychological (Volume I, 1990) and the socio-technical (Volume II, 1993). The latest volume, on the socio-ecological perspective, completes the set. The socio-ecological perspective is concerned with the coevolution of systems and their environments. It considers the broader environment which shapes not only the task environments of socio-technical organizations but the institutional and cultural environment that confronts the individual. Volume III focuses on nonhierarchical forms of organization facilitating inter-organizational relations in complex and rapidly changing environments. This perspective provides a guide to institution building for the future.

I got a copy of this book after reading about it in William Engdahls Democracy as Cognitive Dissonance (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Manifest-Destiny-Democracy-Cognitive-Dissonance/dp/3981723732). It’s basically the science of how to manipulate ideological beliefs to form what appear to be spontaneous colour revolutions. As has been covered in this thread already.


Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.

They make themselves known when they start setting fire to things, socio-anarchists that have no respect for life, society or common decency. There’s the lame ones that are pretty harmless who see protests as an excuse to virtue signal. Then there’s the organised ones like those in the project veritas videos exposed earlier in this thread. Basically seen at any event the deep state wants to shut down or rile up for whatever reason.


What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.

The William Engdahl book above describes how social media was invented specifically for the use of swarming tactics by the technocracy. As a way to quickly spread a message and instigate colour revolutions, seemingly spontaneously. The dangerous antifa activists will be identified through their social network and personal actions. I’ve never seen any evidence of people wearing an antifa t-shirt being assassinated with one of Obama’s drones. Scientists studying legitimate cures for cancer have a higher disappearance rate than members of antifa ever will.


Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.

No, it’s not just antifa alone. How many tentacles do the NGO’s and NED have to instigate civil unrest? they literally fund thousands of ideologically driven social justice groups that can be stirred up into a frenzy of protest. Antifa just has the biggest publicists and has been going on since WW2 so has plenty of inertia behind it. New tentacles of insurrection will keep popping up until the funding, the head of the organisation is cut from the equation. Hence the need for an insurrection act. Will that have potential for being abused by people in power, well yeah, tell me an act that doesn’t. But again it comes down to character development, as these charming fellas with guns represented when Antifa tried organising in their town last week. Antifa will slink away into obscurity when everyone wises up to their subversive tricks. And I haven’t checked the left vs right political compass of the folks living in this town below, but I already know I’d feel safer from government overreach living in a town like that than within any antifa territory. Isn’t this precisely what the 2nd amendment was written into the constitution for?

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https://itsmac.com/2020/06/02/coeur-dalene-idaho-stands-up-antifa-stands-down/





COEUR D’ALENE, IDAHO STANDS UP…ANTIFA STANDS DOWN!

https://itsmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/black-and-white-f.jpg

If you ventured to downtown Coeur d’Alene, Idaho last night you would think you had entered a Militia family reunion. No one has an accurate count of how many heavily armed citizens came out to support peaceful protestors and protect local businesses and citizens against shipped in ANTIFA members but it was certainly HUNDREDS, perhaps over a THOUSAND.

We just drove downtown Coeur d’Alene. It is packed with armed citizens. I’ve never seen so many AR-15s in my life. There’s at least a thousand armed citizens walking on the sidewalks and the streets are packed with cars and trucks with guys in the back with AR-15 and American flags everywhere. We saw two protesters wearing their little black clothing and black masks and sitting on a step quietly with their little poster board sign saying “our system sucks!” Guess why they’re being so polite.”~Keith Gibson, Coeur d’Alene resident.
Word got out that ANTIFA was going to ship in rioters to mingle with peaceful protestors in our quiet little town…and indeed they did as several white Mercedes vans were seen with dozens of people that didn’t belong in our community. It was also made known that they were planning to use the local WINCO store as their staging ground. After learning this, a well organized local group of concerned citizens set up a post in the parking lot to ensure that these unwelcomed invaders clearly understood that the citizens of Coeur d’Alene would have ZERO tolerance for any type of violence or destructive behavior in our town.

Don’t tell me you’re peaceful and bring a crowbar to a protest…. not in our town… Was happy to remove it from their possession as we escorted him to his vehicle [ and just to clarify the guy in the beard handed me the crow bar when I requested it, His name is Sam and he did get that guy to leave ] Brett Surplus, Coeur d’Alene resident
The downtown area of Coeur d’Alene, Id was wall to wall with armed citizens, who protected the city for the entire night. Many had posts directly in front of local businesses while others walked the sidewalks making their powerful presence known. Photo’s below courtesy of Mark Addy, Coeur d’Alene resident.

https://itsmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CDA-Armed-citizens.jpg

What was witnessed last night, 06/01/20 in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, was PROOF that Good Guys with guns keep bad guys with evil intent away. There was unity in a cause to protect the community. There were young people, old people, individuals from all walks of life out patrolling the community and believe it or not, EVERYONE, except the ANTIFA creeps felt extremely safe!

We were surrounded by people so heavily armed…there was literally thousands of guns of all types…most people had several different weapons on them and I never felt more safe in such a huge crowd in my entire life! ~Grayson Cross, Coeur d’Alene, Idaho resident.

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[Mark]

From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":June 6 2020
White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future


Let's get the rest of it out there. Why just take a small part.

From the webpage referenced in the above quote, search the thread to find the link:

How are they going to get away with the riots? By using a primary tool of destruction: WHITE GUILT.
White guilt is being used to cause whites to sit around and let everything be destroyed without resistance. It took decades of university brainwashing to lower the morale of the white race far enough to cause whites to permit this, all done for a very high price tag in the form of student loans. This has come to fruition as shown in this video of a black guy who got a white woman to kneel.


The black guy who did this video was not a bad guy, he did it as a social experiment to show how the white American intellect has been subverted in a substantial portion of the population. The original video was a lot longer and he tried this on multiple people, some refused to accept guilt, and all resisted to some extent except this one girl. And with this girl he documented a stunning truth about how whites can be guilted over nothing. To get that girl to behave like that she had to have been brainwashed to hate herself. This got trolled as being staged. The original video proved that was not the case, he was just checking random people to see what their responses would be to prove how screwed up "white guilt" is and this girl absolutely fell apart.

There are actually quite a few whites who buy the B.S. and the way the MSM and celebrities are talking - where ANYONE who has the guts to say "white lives matter" immediately has their career destroyed - only reinforces it. Anyone who does not hate the white race is immediately banished. What could be the reason for this? Obviously a communist takeover, and because whites resist communism better than any other group, whites HAVE TO be destroyed or the plot will fail. Already they have accomplished such an enormous takeover they can destroy whoever they want on a whim but they still face obstacles, primarily the white gun owner. If they can convince people like this girl to hate their own race, such people become the perfect snitches - a hole in the wheel of freedom.

It is not China. China is not the one paying the rioters. The rioters are being paid by Jonathan Soros via his front "Friends of Democracy". China is not paying the rioter's ways out of jail, Hollywood and other prominent American institutions are, including large corporations that are not Chinese. China is not making American politicians support the rioters, or causing prosecutors to release arsonists.

We, - from the "chinese accusations" going around, blaming them for what is obviously not theirs - ought to be able to plainly see the end game: war with China. They want Americans blaming Chinese for their burning homes and destroyed businesses and empty food pantry - they want Americans blaming Chinese for the destruction of American society - so Americans look away from who really did things and support a war with China, thus allowing Western based communists to expel Xi and put in their own system there.

China obviously has NOTHING to do with the riots when it is white people organizing the riots. It is well documented it is WHITE PEOPLE organizing the riots, only they probably won't say they are white, their religion gives them claim to a different race . . . . . while they subvert, subvert, subvert - - -

The extent to which police forces are not taking action against rioters clearly shows the level of subversion in America by those that want America destroyed. And those paying the rioters way out of jail are among the subverters, don't kid yourself into believing they actually think they have a social cause, they do not and they know they do not. It is all about subversion and destroying the United States and Western civilization.

Record and remember every single hollywood actor and every public figure that paid these people's way out of jail. When they produce a product, remember - THEY HATE YOU, are you really wise to let their content influence you? Remember every city that had these people released from jail. Remember every city that never jailed them. These are the cities that are run by enemies of the American people, and they must be dealt with directly. They are such extreme enemies they want even their own communities destroyed, provided the destruction does not get into their gated area.

The American system is so subverted the perpetrators behind the riots are untouchable. Until ALL the big names both public and private are behind bars, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Fauci and Gates walk free after the corona scam, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Gretchen Whitmer or Lori Lightfoot walk free, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Soros and EVERYONE who organized antifa walk free, the subversion remains in place. Don't kid yourself and rejoice when ONE gets burned, this has to go all the way down to the police forces, city councils and mayors of even smaller cities like Peoria Illinois. Every damn last one that sold out and laughed while America burned has to be called to account and jailed or we are going nowhere from here.

It is up to YOU to enforce the law when the government becomes your enemy and allows you to be raped
It is not even news that an enormous pile of cities have told their police to stand down so the rioters can loot and destroy whatever they want. That means protecting your city is up to you. AND YOU MUST TAKE ACTION.
TAKE ACTION.
If you see them looting a Wal Mart, pull up and start shooting or your food is going to be gone. Bullets skyward to scare them off but if they attack, blow their guts out. It is not a game anymore. Serious damage that actually threatens the entire nation is being done, and if the police resist having you shut the riot down, they are rioters, deal with them equally. Today is the day the vigilante is going to have to become law enforcement. There's no way out of it - there is simply no other choice when city councils, leadership, and police forces seek to destroy the city and wipe their inhabitants out by inviting these people.
How bad does the subversion have to be to get the police to stand down and the city leadership to invite the rioters, like what happened in Sterling Heights, where city leaders actually asked for riots to be held there after expelling the national guard and telling the police not to act? so bad it amounts to the alien invasion in Independence day, where all that is wanted is for you to be eliminated. So bad the city council equals the TET in Oblivion.
When it gets that bad, if people don't take the law into their own hands they will be TOAST, and with such a large amount of the American populace being armed, accepting that would be inexcusable. The people of Sterling Heights had damn well better take action, it's showtime Saturday at (approximately) 4 PM at the Golden Circle, right in the center of the shopping district. Hopefully this post will stop it entirely, or at least force the "visitors" to be peaceful and even if nothing bad happens, it was wanted - the residents of Sterling Heights and many other cities had damn well better expel their governments.
It is up to the American gun owner to save the nation
The Communists seriously screwed up. All along they have wanted guns banned, and they just showed us what the second amendment is for. They just showed us that we really could lose law enforcement and have governments be complicit in destroying us, thus leaving our guns as the only ultimate answer. We are there. We have seen it. The conspiracy is not theory anymore.
Remember this day forever. While promising us security, the FBI and greater American intelligence plus the government at the federal, state, and local levels were complicit in the opposite. Where was the "department of homeland security" through all of this? Why do they even exist? Rather than provide any safety at all, ALL OF THESE instead flagged "white supremacists" as the threat. You know. YOU. THEY FLAGGED YOU. Just for saying your life matters. Just for wanting to defend your family, your home, your business. -

The promise of providing security at the expense of freedom has been totally and completely violated. We have been shown BEYOND DOUBT that only one thing was desired by them - our freedom while "security" was an empty promise. It is time to kick ass and get back to before 911. It is time for the cops to stop being a-holes who only serve the state. It is time to fire every damn one that has had Israeli training. It is time to expel every last leader that SCREWED US with both Coronavirus and these riots. We know who they are now, the curtain has been lifted. It is time to declare we are not terrorists and don't deserve to be treated as such with every encounter with law enforcement. It is time to take America back. And if they continue with this riot psy op, or project blue beam, or an alien invasion, or even a war, we cannot back off on TAKING AMERICA BACK.

This topic is one of the most important issues we have to address right now as a nation and as a world and the discussion has indeed reached the world. So it is not just an American question. Never really has been.

For those who study the historical aspect of this question between communism and capitalism, it is a general understanding that in the era when that battle was primary, there was a racial component to it that had to do with the civil rights struggle and the black power nationalist movements that have existed probably as long as this nation has but that is most quickly recognized as being associated with the black panthers. When you look at this from the position of immersion within the system, the monetary and ideological battle is enjoined beyond most people's desires to understand and so they don't. For them it is rage against the machine, as it is for everyone.

i'd argue now that the cultural groundswelling coming from the roots is not at all about any of that communist/capitalist dichotomy, it is more an expression of mass popular culture and corporatism, if anything. We can't help but represent the sub-cultures we come from in these discussions or think through the lenses our individuated matriculation within our national systems. As we each view the truth through these lenses, our interpretations so follow and align, even within the "rarified" discussions of the AltCom. :)

Getting beyond those programmed lenses, is our individuated and collective task, whether we accept that consciously or not.

Nobody wants to destroy America and nobody wants our culture to change into some alien construct called communism that doesn't even exist in the same way in Russia today as it has historically. Knowledge of the oligarchical structuring of the higher echelons of the economic elite as well as the hysterical underpinnings of the stock market and economics in general belies the lived validity of capitalist, communist and socialist models. The structural similarities between what people really do and what is theorized always differ, especially within the crucible of human creativity that we exist in within every moment. People can posit but are rarely fully correct and interpretations that imply that most people in the world are inherently violent are arguably not so (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasty-brutish-and-short-are-humans-dna-wired-to-kill/).

Certainly, nobody wants to just kill white people. Maybe some do but we keep those cousins and friends of our friends away from things that could get us all in trouble and that is what society does, it civilizes its members by generally accepted mores that hold, more or less, while society is, more or less, civilized, according to some or any form of definition of that word. Black people in America do not want to come for your children or your guns. I repeat. We don't want your kids. You don't have to grab them when I, or any black man or woman, walks by you at a park or on the streets. Nobody, generally and largely, wants to fight. Everybody, broadly stated, wants to f'ing chill.

Enjoy these energies. It's absolutely amazing out there right now.

What the billionaires do, what the cabals do, that's their thing. We like Jay-Z he's got cool clothes. Miley Cyrus sure grew up and she let us know. Boycott Walmart. Some black folks love Country, some country folks love Hip Hop. I'm not going to wear a mask because it is uncomfortable.

Corporate culture is ubiquitous and the masses know that we have the techology to live the scifi "future". And not the dysutopian one. I mean, they really know. All of this bombshell information coming out in the mainstream regarding the state of the sciences, technology, space force and UAPs? For those out there trying to wake up family and friends, it's like, all of a sudden everyone just decided, "yeah, we know, so what. Gas is cheap. Let's go to the beach."

Nobody will really be surprised if Honda came out with an honest ta goodness functioning hovercar for sale at an affordable price, tomorrow. Not really. We've been conditioned since birth to expect them. The energies and times are ripe for a waterfall of black program revelations.

We can still have countries if we want them. Nations. People aren't going to sleep with people they don't want to sleep with and have babies and that's their business. Cops need to chill too and if they can't we'll make them damn it.

STOP THE FEAR.

if anything comes from knowing the power of the people it is knowing that when we march on Michigan with guns, when we go to the street to tell the cops to chill, when we stop what we're doing and address what really matters the people win. Period full stop.

This is the Light. This is what it looks like. The conspiracies are open facts now. Critical mass for shift seems to have arrived and we need to see and talk about it that way in the midst of it.
Remember that show, My Name is Earl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Earl)? That's real life that's why people liked it. There are very few places where the essential conflicts we often discuss in the AltCom are seen in the kind of "purity" we seek to assay here, the complexities of the modern world and the global nature of our individual interactions is mind-boggling when you truly consider it and we take it for granted.

What it boils down to are the times. Even the cops want to chill. While the drama in my town of San Marcos, TX (https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/san-marcos-cite-release-reform/) was a bit much during this first flush of police reform - a cop ambush resulting in the death of a cop and the injury of 2 others even happened by an undocumented THE WEEK of our council vote for cite and release - the majority of cops are ok with it and want it because they are good people. They want to serve their community.

If I were looking at strange coincidences, I can point to the fact that my wife, son and I drove into the small duplex complex earlier the day of the ambush for the first time ever in either of our times in San Marcos. Coincidence? Conspiracy?

PEOPLE. Are in charge of this. It is amazing to watch it and to feel the energy coming from every part of America, even from the most segregated and conservative enclaves. We've had enough of a certain kind of violence in America and, hopefully, other places as well.

What we read and write in regards to what the cabals want is not what the world wants, it seems. Those who make the decisions are dealing with the most mercurial-but-ponderous collective human decisions in their desire to continue to manifest their machinations. And the results are what we, more or less, identify as the fulfillment of AltCom prophecies and at least assay their general conditions, enough to confirm their conspiratorial bonafides and thereafter prognosticate as ta what should happen next, if our a priori analysis was correct in the first place.

It is tempting to sit back and watch it all and to put it all into the context of larger plans and those would be true. Since the pyramids we've collectively agreed to some form of divine kingship and dispensation of powers and principalities, no matter how externally derived from other systems and levels of reality. As a record to the extent of the potentialities, the AltCom is representative of the whistleblower testimony and range of technology that we have to choose from, which many across the world do, through the MSM indirectly or from casual web surfing. It "feels" as if some critical mass has been reached.

And there are 6 planets in retrograde (https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a32772212/mercury-planets-retrograde-june-2020/#:~:text=Just%20when%20you%20thought%20the,all%20spinning%20backward%20this%20month.) right now.

If my presence can make a change, what can yours do. Take the discussion higher by engaging it at any level. If you are tempted to consider all of this purely academically and from a level beyond emotivity, reconsider. This is about the energies. Including your energy. Right now. We all contribute, electro-magnetically, collective-unconsciously, or however you want to identify your favorite conceits of consciousness.

Billions of people doing this right now is why we are where we are having this family battle royale at all. Individual orientation shifts with the material circumstances at some level but, for those who see human nature as static to some extent have to wonder considering the infinite vagaries of expression that psychics can see but not fully predict accurately. We are, more or less, genetically designed to get along (https://dana.org/article/in-sync-how-humans-are-hard-wired-for-social-relationships/) in herds, purposefully or not. That peace is not the default is the peculiarity of human behavior that has to be examined fully for its implications and its expressions right now, in this moment and each in which conflict arises that invoke programmed, systemic responses from individuals.

There are implications that we must continue to bring forth and discuss, in regards to implementation of the control systems that we are aware have been put in place, as we must break them down to allow for the most viable forms of governance for whatever level of control we are all willing to accept. There was a post somewhere earlier where a graph of ideological stances was shared, I think it was Bill, whoever it was, I'm re-purposing it a bit and thank you:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=43779&d=1591653868

The question I have for Project Avalon, in support of earlier questions is: how do we move into this future together? By our individualized and collective choice? How do we utilize all we know we have and make it work while maintaining our kin networks inviolate and forgoing all of the negative externalities and internalities of the panoptic state? Working within the context of the real, the world as it is, as far as we can best individually ascertain it and co-create a future including the proud boys and antifa and without genocide and total global meltdown?

If it is going to happen, it's not going to be in the MSM. And it's not going to look completely like what either side of the equation envisions. We need each other. Our future is intertwined, and everybody knows it.

[Bill Ryan]

Let's get the rest of it out there. Why just take a small part. Forgive me for not providing links, italics or bolding as I usually do.

This topic is one of the most important issues we have to address right now as a nation and as a world and the discussion has indeed reached the world. So it is not just an American question. Never really has been.

For those who study the historical aspect of this question between communism and capitalism, it is a general understanding that in the era when that battle was primary, there was a racial component to it that had to do with the civil rights struggle and the black power nationalist movements that have existed probably as long as this nation has but that is most quickly recognized as being associated with the black panthers. When you look at this from the position of immersion within the system, the monetary and ideological battle is enjoined beyond most people's desires to understand and so they don't. For them it is rage against the machine, as it is for everyone.

i'd argue now that the cultural groundswelling coming from the roots is not at all about any of that communist/capitalist dichotomy, it is more an expression of mass popular culture and corporatism, if anything.


From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":June 6 2020
White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future


How are they going to get away with the riots? By using a primary tool of destruction: WHITE GUILT.
White guilt is being used to cause whites to sit around and let everything be destroyed without resistance. It took decades of university brainwashing to lower the morale of the white race far enough to cause whites to permit this, all done for a very high price tag in the form of student loans. This has come to fruition as shown in this video of a black guy who got a white woman to kneel.


The black guy who did this video was not a bad guy, he did it as a social experiment to show how the white American intellect has been subverted in a substantial portion of the population. The original video was a lot longer and he tried this on multiple people, some refused to accept guilt, and all resisted to some extent except this one girl. And with this girl he documented a stunning truth about how whites can be guilted over nothing. To get that girl to behave like that she had to have been brainwashed to hate herself. This got trolled as being staged. The original video proved that was not the case, he was just checking random people to see what their responses would be to prove how screwed up "white guilt" is and this girl absolutely fell apart.

There are actually quite a few whites who buy the B.S. and the way the MSM and celebrities are talking - where ANYONE who has the guts to say "white lives matter" immediately has their career destroyed - only reinforces it. Anyone who does not hate the white race is immediately banished. What could be the reason for this? Obviously a communist takeover, and because whites resist communism better than any other group, whites HAVE TO be destroyed or the plot will fail. Already they have accomplished such an enormous takeover they can destroy whoever they want on a whim but they still face obstacles, primarily the white gun owner. If they can convince people like this girl to hate their own race, such people become the perfect snitches - a hole in the wheel of freedom.

It is not China. China is not the one paying the rioters. The rioters are being paid by Jonathan Soros via his front "Friends of Democracy". China is not paying the rioter's ways out of jail, Hollywood and other prominent American institutions are, including large corporations that are not Chinese. China is not making American politicians support the rioters, or causing prosecutors to release arsonists.

We, - from the "chinese accusations" going around, blaming them for what is obviously not theirs - ought to be able to plainly see the end game: war with China. They want Americans blaming Chinese for their burning homes and destroyed businesses and empty food pantry - they want Americans blaming Chinese for the destruction of American society - so Americans look away from who really did things and support a war with China, thus allowing Western based communists to expel Xi and put in their own system there.

China obviously has NOTHING to do with the riots when it is white people organizing the riots. It is well documented it is WHITE PEOPLE organizing the riots, only they probably won't say they are white, their religion gives them claim to a different race . . . . . while they subvert, subvert, subvert - - -

The extent to which police forces are not taking action against rioters clearly shows the level of subversion in America by those that want America destroyed. And those paying the rioters way out of jail are among the subverters, don't kid yourself into believing they actually think they have a social cause, they do not and they know they do not. It is all about subversion and destroying the United States and Western civilization.

Record and remember every single hollywood actor and every public figure that paid these people's way out of jail. When they produce a product, remember - THEY HATE YOU, are you really wise to let their content influence you? Remember every city that had these people released from jail. Remember every city that never jailed them. These are the cities that are run by enemies of the American people, and they must be dealt with directly. They are such extreme enemies they want even their own communities destroyed, provided the destruction does not get into their gated area.

The American system is so subverted the perpetrators behind the riots are untouchable. Until ALL the big names both public and private are behind bars, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Fauci and Gates walk free after the corona scam, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Gretchen Whitmer or Lori Lightfoot walk free, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Soros and EVERYONE who organized antifa walk free, the subversion remains in place. Don't kid yourself and rejoice when ONE gets burned, this has to go all the way down to the police forces, city councils and mayors of even smaller cities like Peoria Illinois. Every damn last one that sold out and laughed while America burned has to be called to account and jailed or we are going nowhere from here.

It is up to YOU to enforce the law when the government becomes your enemy and allows you to be raped
It is not even news that an enormous pile of cities have told their police to stand down so the rioters can loot and destroy whatever they want. That means protecting your city is up to you. AND YOU MUST TAKE ACTION.
TAKE ACTION.
If you see them looting a Wal Mart, pull up and start shooting or your food is going to be gone. Bullets skyward to scare them off but if they attack, blow their guts out. It is not a game anymore. Serious damage that actually threatens the entire nation is being done, and if the police resist having you shut the riot down, they are rioters, deal with them equally. Today is the day the vigilante is going to have to become law enforcement. There's no way out of it - there is simply no other choice when city councils, leadership, and police forces seek to destroy the city and wipe their inhabitants out by inviting these people.
How bad does the subversion have to be to get the police to stand down and the city leadership to invite the rioters, like what happened in Sterling Heights, where city leaders actually asked for riots to be held there after expelling the national guard and telling the police not to act? so bad it amounts to the alien invasion in Independence day, where all that is wanted is for you to be eliminated. So bad the city council equals the TET in Oblivion.
When it gets that bad, if people don't take the law into their own hands they will be TOAST, and with such a large amount of the American populace being armed, accepting that would be inexcusable. The people of Sterling Heights had damn well better take action, it's showtime Saturday at (approximately) 4 PM at the Golden Circle, right in the center of the shopping district. Hopefully this post will stop it entirely, or at least force the "visitors" to be peaceful and even if nothing bad happens, it was wanted - the residents of Sterling Heights and many other cities had damn well better expel their governments.
It is up to the American gun owner to save the nation
The Communists seriously screwed up. All along they have wanted guns banned, and they just showed us what the second amendment is for. They just showed us that we really could lose law enforcement and have governments be complicit in destroying us, thus leaving our guns as the only ultimate answer. We are there. We have seen it. The conspiracy is not theory anymore.
Remember this day forever. While promising us security, the FBI and greater American intelligence plus the government at the federal, state, and local levels were complicit in the opposite. Where was the "department of homeland security" through all of this? Why do they even exist? Rather than provide any safety at all, ALL OF THESE instead flagged "white supremacists" as the threat. You know. YOU. THEY FLAGGED YOU. Just for saying your life matters. Just for wanting to defend your family, your home, your business. -

The promise of providing security at the expense of freedom has been totally and completely violated. We have been shown BEYOND DOUBT that only one thing was desired by them - our freedom while "security" was an empty promise. It is time to kick ass and get back to before 911. It is time for the cops to stop being a-holes who only serve the state. It is time to fire every damn one that has had Israeli training. It is time to expel every last leader that SCREWED US with both Coronavirus and these riots. We know who they are now, the curtain has been lifted. It is time to declare we are not terrorists and don't deserve to be treated as such with every encounter with law enforcement. It is time to take America back. And if they continue with this riot psy op, or project blue beam, or an alien invasion, or even a war, we cannot back off on TAKING AMERICA BACK.

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I'm bumping this important blockbuster of a post already. Everyone should read it carefully — maybe several times.

[Gracy]

What if this were Antifa?
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[edina]

What is your understanding of Antifa?

[Jayke]

What if this were Antifa?
7XUPDtRKM34

What if Martin Gugino (the old man) was Antifa?

I must admit when I first watched the video I thought it looked pretty awful. Then I watched it back and noticed how the policeman barely touched him, which I found suspicious, considering how far and badly he fell. Then articles like the one from Conservative Tree House came out describing Gugino as a professional protester who advertises on his blog at how many times he’s escaped conviction after being arrested.


https://www.blogger.com/profile/12535061710557436016


Four arrests,
no convictions.

04=01.12.16@US Capitol
03=06.26.13@WhiteHouse
02=01.12.12@WhiteHouse
01=04.20.09@Orange County

Anyone checked those dates to see what he was arrested for?

He can be seen waving his phone at the officers microphones in the slow-motion video below, wether he was genuinely trying to skim information in a data hack I don’t know. But there’s clearly more to the story than the ‘police brutality’ narrative wants everyone to believe.

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Buffalo Officials Duped By Professional Antifa Provocateur – Arrest and Charge Two Police Officers – Righteous Police Team Stand Together and Walk Out…

Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. Gugino’s Twitter Account is also filled with anti-cop sentiment [SEE HERE]. Last Thursday Gugino traveled from his home in Amherst, New York, to Buffalo to agitate a protest crowd.

During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers. CTH noted what he was attempting on Thursday night as soon as the now viral video was being used by media to sell a police brutality narrative. [Thread Here (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268784881422786560.html)] Today, a more clear video has emerged that shows exactly what he was attempting.

In this slow motion video, you will see Gugino using a phone as a capture scanner. You might have heard the term “skimming”; it’s essentially the same. Watch him use his right hand to first scan the mic of officer one (top left of chest). Then Gugino moves his hand to the communications belt of the second officer. WATCH CLOSELY:

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The capture of communications signals [explained in detail here] is a method of police tracking used by Antifa to monitor the location of police. In some cases the more high tech capture software can even decipher communication encryption allowing the professional agitators to block (black-out), jam, or interfere with police communication. In addition, many police body-cams are bluetooth enabled which allows syncing.

Unfortunately in the modern era the professional agitators have become very sophisticated and use technology to help create chaos. Their activity is highly coordinated, and as James O’Keefe has revealed in his undercover operations these professionals even stage events to manipulate public opinion.

When he was pushed away by the officers Gugino fell and presumably hit his head. As a consequence of the shove, the two officers were suspended and the Buffalo authorities have arrested and charged the two police officers. In a show of support the entire Buffalo police unit that makes up the Emergency Response Team resigned their position.

On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.

However, despite the known ideology and intent of Mr. Gugino; and despite a more careful look at the video highlighting exactly what Gugino was attempting; the Buffalo authorities are frozen by political correctness and have now arrested and charged the two officers.

(Via Daily Mail) – Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk, as hundreds of colleagues gathered outside the city court in solidarity to cheer their release without bail.

Aaron Torgalski and Robert McCabe were each charged with one count of assault in the second degree in a court hearing Saturday morning over the shocking incident that left peaceful protester Martin Gugino in a ‘serious condition’ in hospital.

The cops were arraigned in a virtual court hearing where they both pleaded not guilty to the charges and the two cops hid from the view of the camera.

They each face up to seven years in prison if convicted of the class D felony. They were released without bail and will appear back in court on July 20.(read more)
It would appear Mr. Martin Gugino succeeded in his endeavor:

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/martin-gugino-1.jpg

https://twitter.com/DangPigeon/status/1269303926869889026
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[Gracy]

What is your understanding of Antifa?

Hi Edina,

I would describe them as a very loosely knit array of punks, thugs, and thug wanna be's. They can cause a lot of trouble, but these are not the coordinated agitators responsible for all the mess and mayhem they are being made out to be. They're part of it for sure, but they're not IT.

These are not the highly skilled and organized people for example, who are neatly placing those now infamous pallets full of bricks in strategic spots across America's big cities, their job just would be to come along and throw them. Along with a lot of others who have nothing to do with them.

Why do they need to be designated as terrorists? I think we need to up our critical thinking skills on that one, and not shrug it off as an automatic necessity because it's "our guy" doing the designating. People were non chalant when the Patriot Act and the NDAA were rolled out, because it was "their guy" doing it so it must be okay.

Do we think someone like the FBI won't already have infiltrated to the upper reaches of a band of hard left misfit agitators like Antifa? We know the FBI has a long history of all kinds of f**kery in facilitating violent acts, who's to say they aren't the ones doing the ultimate coordination, and leaving those pallets of bricks around in such a sneaky manner, that not one cop or citizen in the entire country has managed to spot huge trucks full of them in downtown areas.

How does that happen?

I know how it doesn't happen anyway, it doesn't happen by a loose knit bunch of anti societal types getting their hands on construction delivery trucks, and expensive, hard to come by pallets of bricks.

What I'm saying is that I think we need to set our sights a little higher than just following along with the latest narrative feed coming at us hot n' heavy. Antifa can be a dangerous critter when they choose to come out of their respective holes, but they're not this all encompassing force they're being made out to be here.



What if this were Antifa?
7XUPDtRKM34

What if Martin Gugino (the old man) was Antifa?

I must admit when I first watched the video I thought it looked pretty awful. Then I watched it back and noticed how the policeman barely touched him, which I found suspicious, considering how far and badly he fell. Then articles like the one from Conservative Tree House came out describing Gugino as a professional protester who advertises on his blog at how many times he’s escaped conviction after being arrested.

Ah, Conservative Tree House has the excuses flowing I see.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is the exact reason I raised the question Jayke. If that were Antifa doing the pushing there, how quickly would Conservative Tree House and other right wing outlets be pinning the worst possible motives on them, and describing the incident as brutal. Maybe even another example of domestic terrorists in action?

We need to be calling balls and strikes here, not taking our cues from left or right wing outlets with very clear agendas to tear down the other.

[Jayke]

What I'm saying is that I think we need to set our sights a little higher than just following along with the latest narrative feed coming at us hot n' heavy. Antifa can be a dangerous critter when they choose to come out of their respective holes, but they're not this all encompassing force they're being made out to be here.

Well yeah, you’re just echoing what’s already been said. Which is why the Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult was brought into focus already. Antifa are just a tentacle of something bigger and more pernicious. But after seeing how they operate here in the UK, describing antifa as an ‘international terror organisation’ is definitely an accurate descriptor of their behaviour. Just because it attracts harmless and disgruntled ideologues at the lower levels, doesn’t mean it isn’t well financed and orchestrated at the higher levels. Did you read my post yesterday regarding the issue on how Tavistock uses swarming tactics to instigate colour revolutions? Is Tavistock a high enough level that we continue the discussion of who finances Antifa from behind the scenes?


Ah, Conservative Tree House has the excuses flowing I see.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is the exact reason I raised the question Jayke. If that were Antifa doing the pushing there, how quickly would Conservative Tree House and other right wing outlets be pinning the worst possible motives on them, and describing the incident as brutal. Maybe even another example of domestic terrorists in action?

We need to be calling balls and strikes here, not taking our cues from left or right wing outlets with very clear agendas to tear down the other.

I got your reason for posting. The reason I chose conservative tree house specifically is because I knew you’d take one look at the word conservative and then write off the evidence presented in the article as though it didn’t exist.

The point I’ve been making is that evidence is evidence regardless of what political compass the news outlet is. Once a person develops discernment and critical analysis skills, you can pay attention to both sides of a story and let the evidence tell it’s own story without the narratives of either side swaying judgement.

What was Martin Gugino doing with his phone holding it up to the officers in that way?

Was there enough force in the officers push to send him toppling like that?

What’s with Gugino’s self admitted history of arrests at previous protests?

All these questions build on the picture of what happened. All the ‘well if the shoe was on the other foot’ rhetoric is just assumption that plays into basic stereotypes, there’s no critical analysis in that. I’d rather follow the evidence. Care to discuss what Gugino was doing with his phone?

Can we call balls and strikes on the evidence presented rather than trying to tear down any right wing outlets you presume to be biased?

[mountain_jim]

some one's paying attention, and provoking the commenters, some of whom make some good points in my view -

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018?s=20

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this video does seem to show his head hitting quite hard with likely real injuries.

https://twitter.com/LeeHolly81/status/1270354354512560130?s=20

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ZeroHedge coverage

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-says-pushed-buffalo-protester-could-be-antifa-provocateur-who-fell-harder-was

[Gracy]

We need to be calling balls and strikes here, not taking our cues from left or right wing outlets with very clear agendas to tear down the other.


Can we call balls and strikes on the evidence presented rather than trying to tear down any right wing outlets you presume to be biased?

That’s a bit of a straw man Jayke. Right wing by definition is a biased point of view, and left wing by definition is a biased point of view. What we’ve been herded into is an all out war between the extremes of both sides, each with the grim determination to obliterate the other at all costs.

There can be only one as it was put so well in “Highlander”.

I saw no conclusive evidence from your link that the old man was doing what they claim he was doing. That’s not me tearing them down, that’s me noticing their confirmation bias in presenting their interpretation of that murky evidence as crystal clear, while tearing down the man as a person as well.

Perhaps it’s just a massive coincidence that left wing outlets will view neutral evidence one way, while right wing outlets view it another way, both according to their own biased and what they want to see in that evidence. The rest of us following along with our own bias, will naturally gravitate to outlets sure to show us what we are looking to find.

It’s probably best for me to step away from this conversation. I’ve made my points that I don’t think Antifa is the end all be all threat as is suddenly so popular, and that information outlets heavily predisposed to any certain political affiliation, will surely present the world they see through that particular lens.

This can be argued round and round as we have done so well, and there’s really no point in continuing it. You can even have the last word. :bigsmile:

[Jayke]

Edit: Still doesn’t explain what he was doing with his phone. That behaviour is crystal clear in the slowed down video, and very odd behaviour for someone at a protest. And it doesn’t explain his other questionable history of arrests at protests or whether the police officer genuinely pushed him with great intent of force. All we have is ‘murky’ evidence, which is precisely why no solid conclusions can be made either way. Although, based on what limited evidence we do have, my best guess would be that he’s a professional protester like the old Indian dude that instigated the whole Nick Sandmann episode. Could still very well be an Antifa provocateur, not enough evidence to rule it out.


“herded into an all out war between the extremes of both sides”

Herded by whom? The whole argument of ‘sides’ is a strawman the herders require us to get distracted by. Thought we were going to look at the higher players involved.

Anyway, back to topic!

James o’Keefe with a new Project Veritas video exposing another tentacle of the Antifa network...”Redneck Revolt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Revolt)”.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1270339874101624840
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[edina]

“herded into an all out war between the extremes of both sides” you say, Gracy. Herded by whom? Thought we were going to look at the higher players involved.

Anyway, back to topic!

James o’Keefe with a new Project Veritas video exposing another tentacle of the Antifa network...”Redneck Revolt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Revolt)”.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1270339874101624840
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[shaberon]

It’s an excellent book, just be aware that they tackle the issue of international Jewry, it doesn’t touch on how Judaism itself was infiltrated by the Iberian blue bloods and the d’este family back in medieval times as cover for their nefarious activities. Best read in conjunction with the book ‘The Game of Saturn (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Saturn-Decoding-Sola-Busca-tarrochi/dp/1912316048)’ by Peter Mark Adams to get a clearer perspective on who the oligarchic elite ruling families are or stem from.

Over time, it is hard to know all of the mixings and twists. Historically or originally, it has two major problems:

Israel was decimated by Assyria. Nothing was left in place. The actual Israelis or lost tribes who successfully scattered are the Mountain Jews who mainly live in Iran and have always been integrated, never the object of pogroms, etc.

Judea survived considerably longer, but, the physical territory was subjugated by Edom. After that, with inter-marriages and so forth, the Judean concept of "ritual purity" was wiped away; or, by definition, its own lines of transmission were invalid. Going forward, it is more like a blend of Edomites, Pharisees, and the redactions of Ezra.

This type of subject has been heavily covered in the States by Lyndon LaRouche and spinoffs such as Webster Tarpley. Their historical information seems to be extremely accurate, until you get to their modern propaganda, being that it is a political platform which could be categorized as Anti-Communist. Anyone who opposes Communism is considered to be LaRouchian, or affiliated to it. But then we find they are capable of running credit card scams and the usual kind of political dirt.

It is relatively old by now, so, I do not really know what other names it may have osmosed into. I am not aware of it using extremist tactics.

International rule by hidden oligarchy is called Synarchy by the plotters themselves. But again this is not really "a" group but more of a mindset and behavior.

The first reason I am going to tell you we are going to get rid of it is because they were enamored with Golden Dawn types of beliefs, and in fact they specifically rejected Eastern mysticism. They considered it to be rubbish superstition, until, approximately the 1920s, when it was thought useful for advertising, mind control, and propaganda.

So compared to what I see as rather malevolent, external forces, their relation to the wisdom of the East is that the first Jesuit did not "get it", and merely made a copy; the Synarchy refuted and ignored it for decades. So I can pretty much promise you these people are clueless and hopeless. At the very least, it is Virtue, as in Jayke's other comment "Keeping people locked in the left vs right dichotomy is how they prevent people from focusing on the important work of cultivating virtue in their societies. Been that way since long before Jesus was kicking the parasitic money lenders out of the sacred temple."

Think of them as novices, and keep kicking.

Turkey's Erdogan actually said Antifa was assisted by Kurdish PKK. But if we look at "Kurdistan", it is the same: there is a western-backed police force, a western-backed militia which is notorious for child conscription, and a cultural Peshmerga which is pretty close to "the people". So he may be approximately correct in that some of the U. S. Antifa has some of the same backing as some Kurdish militias. If there is someone who has been subjugated by every empire known to history, it would be them, still stateless.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270384572396523520?s=20

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[shaberon]

Gugino was completely out of place. He took a fall. The way it was explained to me, Buffalo officers resigned from the riot squad, but not from the police. Their disgust was at the charges, in other words, they support the innocence of their colleagues, i. e. it was not a tremendous use of force, plus, the guy was weird. He could be pro-Antifa, or, for all we know, he could be F. B. I. inside Antifa.

It will drive you insane, right? I said it twice and I see it coming out in the press now, you don't know who's who. Hall of mirrors. Sometimes the official story is straight. But if you find more than one x factor, it is almost impossible to nail it down. Things are so backwards, the recent Silvercorp assault on Venezuela was so infiltrated, the Venezuelans were themselves paying for it. A great deal of what goes on in Syria is the same way. If there is any kind of access, any of these groups could unknowingly become someone else's tentacle, or get sent to suicide. That is the difference. Venezuela did not pay and assist a militia to inflict actual carnage on their own people. They set it in motion so it could be caught.

The cops probably stepped away from the guy quickly seeing he was not knocked out or anything. What does he have? Flesh wound?

[Jayke]

Shaberon, I’m with you on that one, I’ve really stopped believing anything I see on social media right now, nothing can be trusted in times like these.


Judea survived considerably longer, but, the physical territory was subjugated by Edom. After that, with inter-marriages and so forth, the Judean concept of "ritual purity" was wiped away; or, by definition, its own lines of transmission were invalid. Going forward, it is more like a blend of Edomites, Pharisees, and the redactions of Ezra.

This type of subject has been heavily covered in the States by Lyndon LaRouche and spinoffs such as Webster Tarpley. Their historical information seems to be extremely accurate, until you get to their modern propaganda, being that it is a political platform which could be categorized as Anti-Communist. Anyone who opposes Communism is considered to be LaRouchian, or affiliated to it. But then we find they are capable of running credit card scams and the usual kind of political dirt.

It is relatively old by now, so, I do not really know what other names it may have osmosed into. I am not aware of it using extremist tactics.

International rule by hidden oligarchy is called Synarchy by the plotters themselves. But again this is not really "a" group but more of a mindset and behavior.

That is an important point!

Nikola Tesla has a great quote touching on the same armor of god theme (“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”) Reminding us this whole thing is ultimately archetypally orchestrated, part of the divine drama.


”I am unwilling to accord to some small−minded and jealous individuals the satisfaction of having thwarted my efforts. These men are to me nothing more than microbes of a nasty disease. My project was retarded by laws of nature. The world was not prepared for it. It was too far ahead of time, but the same laws will prevail in the end and make it a triumphal success”.
— Nikola Tesla

Eric Dollard gave some insight into who the ruling elite were as well. After having several of his research labs shut down by the ‘TPTB’, he said after the CIA roll in (or any other alphabet agency), it’s not the men in black that take over the place with their tech team and scientists, it’s the “women in white” who strip the place down and start practicing rituals and witchcraft.

He also mentions that when referring to the elite, if people stop calling them ‘they’ and start calling them ‘it’, they’ll have a much better understanding of what’s really going on. I couldn’t tell if the digital demon he refers to is some kind of ancient A.I. Or just one of the principalities and powers referred to in an archetypal ‘Ahriman’ sense.
But definitely adds a whole new dimension to the mix.


http://ericpdollard.com/2019/10/23/tesla-tech-understanding-ether-the-digital-demon-by-eric-dollard/


TESLA TECH, UNDERSTANDING ETHER, & THE DIGITAL DEMON BY ERIC DOLLARD

For the first time in four years, Greg Carlwood of Higherside Chats invited Eric Dollard to be a guest on his popular, online radio show. If you look at the comments posted around Facebook, etc., you will want to hear this one!

This interview is 1 hour 14 minutes and you can stream it right from Greg’s website here:
https://www.thehighersidechats.com/eric-p-dollard-tesla-tech-understanding-ether-the-digital-demon/

If you want to download a copy for your archives, goto the page above and look at the right side of the player. You’ll see 3 dots that are all vertical. Click those dots and you’ll get an option to download it in MP3 format.

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[shaberon]

Shaberon, I’m with you on that one, I’ve really stopped believing anything I see on social media right now, nothing can be trusted in times like these.




International rule by hidden oligarchy is called Synarchy by the plotters themselves. But again this is not really "a" group but more of a mindset and behavior.

That is an important point!



Five blind men and an elephant. If we were both there, we'd probably both be right, with completely different stories.

People hardly have enough identity to make a consistent story about themselves.

With the Synarchy, you could probably say that some of them appeared to be Nazis, but, they are not the same thing. It is similar, except their allegiance was not to Germany, but, to a plan that intended to demolish it, shared with London, Paris, and New York. It seems to me that Hitler fell for Synarchist bait in attacking the U. S. S. R., similar to how German intelligence was inadequate about the Battle of Britain. On a military level, it seems that most countries were misinformed about most other countries at this time.

Archetypes are Platonic; Aristotle betrayed and murdered the school, which, conjoining with the breakdown of Alexander's empire, and the gathering of extreme Manichean dualism, hacked up the archetypes and injected something artificial. This is, so to speak, being iterated through faster processor generations. So I think the humanistic view is more Pythagoras--Plato, and the original Saturn, versus the Aristotelian reduction of Saturn as seen now.

"It" is a good enough term, but, crisp things are also helpful, such as Synarchy, Fabian, Capitalism, United Nations, how there are similarities and differences working together on "its" own.

[Jayke]

Joseph Farrell on the higherside chats. Farrell talks about Antifa at the 41 minute mark and seems more delighted than I was when Trump announced he was thinking of putting Antifa on the domestic terrorism list, or as everyone seems to be calling them on twitter lately, Vanilla ISIS.

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-joseph-p-farrell-engineered-unrest-baal-gates-the-plandemic/

[bettye198]

Thank you for posting this. Is it only those of us who have lived a pretty good full life that aligns with this? We are setting examples for our children and grandchildren and this is okay to light fire to cars and buildings people have saved their earnings for and put hard work into? This is okay to make a statement at the cost of unspeakable behavior that is bent on damage and destruction? I am fortunate to be far and away from these towns and cities but I know family who has been thrust into it. My own brother in law moved to a town that by morning was torched. Everything. And when the police and FBI came they were told to stand down. I could not wrap my head around a Mayor who said that, elected official by his town people and betrayed them in one terrifying day. We have friends evacuating their children and to compound an already despicable situation with covid, this is an imprint into the lives and memories of the young. Will they grow up to hate or want revenge or want to join the anarchy? What will they do? This is a moment of where one decides what side of the fence you stand on.

[Jayke]

Michael Tsarion and David Whitehead on top form discussing the ‘unleashing of the nihilists’, the top level networks of whose organised recent events and how “the conspiracy movement/Alternative Research community have ultimately won the day” as centuries of lies and subversion are finally being brought to light.

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[kfm27917]

There's An Actual Playbook For Everything Happening Right Now & The US Wrote It...

Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,

While it might seem like everything that is happening is just chaotically bouncing from one shocking event to the next, that assessment couldn’t be further from the truth. There’s a playbook – a literal playbook – and we’re being manipulated toward the endgame that does not benefit the American people.

What’s this playbook?
The playbook I’m referring to in this article is the US Special Forces Unconventional Warfare Manual from 2010. These were methods that the United States military employed against Libya.

The intent of U.S. UW efforts is to exploit a hostile power’s political, military, economic, and psychological vulnerabilities by developing and sustaining resistance forces to accomplish U.S. strategic objectives. Historically, the military concept for the employment of UW was primarily in support of resistance movements during general-war scenarios. While this concept remains valid, the operational environment since the end of World War II has increasingly required U.S. forces to conduct UW in scenarios short of general war (limited war).

Enabling a resistance movement or insurgency entails the development of an underground and guerrilla forces, as well as supporting auxiliaries for each of these elements. Resistance movements or insurgencies always have an underground element. The armed component of these groups is the guerrilla force and is only present if the resistance transitions to conflict. The combined effects of two interrelated lines of effort largely generate the end result of a UW campaign. The efforts are armed conflict and subversion. Forces conduct armed conflict, normally in the form of guerrilla warfare, against the security apparatus of the host nation (HN) or occupying military. Conflict also includes operations that attack and degrade enemy morale, organizational cohesion, and operational effectiveness and separate the enemy from the population. Over time, these attacks degrade the ability of the HN or occupying military to project military power and exert control over the population. Subversion undermines the power of the government or occupying element by portraying it as incapable of effective governance to the population. (source)

And now this guideline is very clearly being used against the United States. It started years back, but recently, we’ve watched things escalate rather dramatically.

Here’s the guideline.
Consider this a pyramid that begins at the bottom and builds to the apex. This all begins with underground activities and the fanning of legitimate flames, like Selco mentioned in his article about defunding the police.

see more at
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/theres-actual-playbook-everything-happening-right-now-us-wrote-it

[edina]

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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270199246029897730

I can't find the youtube version of this, or the longer segment that this was a part of.
If I come across it, I'll pop in this comment.

Lara looks to be discussing the Project Veritas Part 2, shared here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359341&viewfull=1#post1359341).

I left links about the book shop in that comment.

Additionally, she shares an example with the Digital Security for Activists.

Are any other networks discussing the Project Veritas ExposeAntifa videos?

If someone else comes across a video version of the longer segment, please post, I would like to see the full segment.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270981793324253185?s=20

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[norman]

I didn't get-it fast enough, 2 months ago, when states started letting criminals out of jails.


At the time I just shook my head WTF ?


Now I get it.

[shaberon]

Thank you for posting this. Is it only those of us who have lived a pretty good full life that aligns with this? We are setting examples for our children and grandchildren and this is okay to light fire to cars and buildings people have saved their earnings for and put hard work into? This is okay to make a statement at the cost of unspeakable behavior that is bent on damage and destruction? I am fortunate to be far and away from these towns and cities but I know family who has been thrust into it.

Here is a police commander in Tulsa (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491422-i-my-colleagues-are-quitting-as-us-police-officers/) explaining you don't have to mistrust or abuse us, we quit. His story is about the same as mine: he has no experience of racism or undue use of force by his squad. I've never been on the force, but dealt with it a lot, and never seen it. Again, a few bad officers, and especially the rotten corps in larger cities, do not represent the majority.

U. S. psy-ops takeovers are the aftermath of D-Day and developed by the 82nd airborne. Their primary role is to invade after a nuclear or other widespread disaster and use the psy-ops to gain control of whatever is left. Other special forces derive from it. Some of them are my neighbors, they live in a house with no military or U. S. government marker. It is not the strategies that are surprising: we are looking for threads of power continuity. Comparatively, the continuity from Babylon or from an ancient international Jewry is not quite there. But once we get to ca. 1900, we can pretty clearly find a western get-together on an internal and international basis, which is the same thing as today.

And if all this stays on a police issue, it will not answer or change the international element. And so now that democracy has been projected into most countries, they have the ability to perpetuate world government without much need for the U. S. dominance that was mainly useful to set it up. India (https://en.farsnews.ir/newstext.aspx?nn=13990322000661) just denied visa to a U. S. religious freedom group. They are perhaps wising up to the U. S. itself, and are still a likely candidate for democratic world government.

Most of the released criminals have been on the lighter side, perhaps debatable whether they deserved jail at all.

Most of what seems to be happening is "insurrection", just a direction-less crime. Since this is a violation of security, it is the obligation of all the people of a state to drive it out. It is not quite any longer a police matter; it comes under National Guard and all of the people in a state. That is why you are supposed to have a gun. So here, the legal changes from the American Revolution have already presented the response, but this is scarcely mentioned, perhaps it is frightening. It gets rid of both sides since it is for the gangs or the government.

[rgray222]

This is the top Law Enforcement Officer in MN, Minnesota Attorney General advocating for Antifa.

Minnesota Attorney General and the Deputy Chairman of the Democratic National Committee Keith Elison, posted a photo on Twitter this week of himself posing with the Antifa Handbook. The book calls violence and civil unrest.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79446786_10223327389598920_6326864633806192640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=9MfDTz6RgnsAX8fUNso&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=ad681a354062ce98487132dce3ecba31&oe=5F07A662

Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-keith-ellison-antifa-handbook-tweet-20180104-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1xPl4HtX1wUagqlteGAghRqpYixI0OqntFKcB5PJtVEQ2rsbqzp-2FhRk

[edina]

Part 4 of the Project Veritas #ExposeAntifa series

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In this video you hear people planning how to raise money for their "actions", specifically protests.
Tom Steyers name is mentioned as well as others.


RefuseFascism website (https://refusefascism.org/)





From the refusefascism.org website (https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/) (Posted on August 6):
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The webpage that Harley linked above (https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/) is still up.

In looking at RefuseFascism's website and social media accounts, it appears to be mostly a political Anti-Trump campaign under the guise of anti-fascism.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Did anyone notice the emblem that is on the cover of the book Soros is holding?

Look closer.

If it had a hammer and sycle on it, it would represent the Russian flag, shaped like a giant boot, crushing the American lower forty-eight states under it...you just can't make this **** up!

[happyuk]

Another take on this.

Step in too early and the race card is whipped out quicker than you can blink: alternatively hang back and give the thugs enough rope - they are hanging themselves already.

Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is running with the pack, also.

The UK riots have nothing to do with someone coming to a sticky end in the USA.

It is nothing more than a useful trigger to destabilise the UK govt : the Remainers and the fragrant left not having never been able to do it by the ballot box.

[shaberon]

Information on insurrection and sabotage has readily accessible at least since the time of Anarchist Cookbook. The author thought to take it out of print but did not have the publishing rights, and it kept going as The Anarchist Cookbook. It is not very good, but it is something.

Who's who changes fast, like a former ISIS fighter in Palmyra (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ex-isis-fighter-claims-british-intelligence-recruited-him-to-spy-on-russians-in-syria/), scooped up by MI6:

"The British told me to go to Tadmur (Palmyra), saying that they would provide me with money, cell phone and anything I need," he said.

He stated that he had fled there [Al Tanf] from Palmyra, pointing out that he was in the ranks of the Islamic State then.

Saud said that the British indicated their need for information on “important Russian sites in Syria”, especially on how they protect them, so that it would later be possible to carry out terrorist operations against them.

According to him, the British assigned a former tour guide from Palmyra, who was known in several languages, to take over the leadership of the espionage group.

So, the British appear eager for proxy attacks on Russia, if, someone who is a much better spy than them, can find something easy.



A local teen has been killed by police in Mexico (https://www.wral.com/teen-from-willow-springs-killed-by-police-shotgun-blast-in-mexico/19140507/) in questionable circumstances leading to a shotgun blast.

We have damage and Seattle occupied by an upstart; but it is still not at the level, according to Syrian national news, of this U. S. vehicle in Deir Ezzur:

https://i2.wp.com/www.jpnews-sy.com/ar/images/news/big/186532.jpg?w=700





At the crossroads leading to the eastern town of Al-Ruwayshid, unknown citizens of Syria laid an ambush for U.S. occupation troops and their Kurd lackeys opening fire on them and killing or wounding 3 Americans and 5 members of QASD (or SDF). These operations are taking place on a daily basis with no one group claiming responsibility proving these operations are localized and represent Syrian fury over the U.S. presence as an occupation force. The attack was with automatic rifles and RPGs.

If the situation here grows to that level, would anyone care?

Would we call up France and ask for a few Mirages and part of the Foreign Legion to pin down Boston?

"Remove Trump" is a type of political message, I guess, one of the few that could perhaps be any weaker than war against "isms". This is already election year, the time when we go round saying it hardly makes any difference which candidate you put in power. Maybe if they went forward with "Install Deez Nutz the Dog", we would have something. A real sure blockbuster. The only standing official to be substituted by a delegate from Animal Farm. You'd need to follow it up with at least everybody who is in the Continuity of Government. A cockatiel here, a snail there. You better have a backup plan with at least three layers of alternate scenarios. That Executive Branch is mighty hard to tame.

So far, I wouldn't rely on anyone I have seen to tie their shoes.

[Jayke]

Neon Revolts latest episode takes us on a tour of the ‘Capital Hill Autonomous Zone’ in Seattle, otherwise known as CHAZ or Antifastan.

This just highlights the absurd shortsightedness and hypocrisy of the entire Antifa ideology (and communism in general). There’s the desire to tear down existing structures of governance without ever offering solutions or alternatives. So when the reality principle finally hits home, the only solutions they come up with are much, much worse than what they were fighting against to begin with. Antifa, the ideology of anarchy and self-annihilation. The bittersweet comedy of our times.

The parallels to John Carpenters ‘Escape from New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York)’ are tragic yet perfectly predictable.

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[mountain_jim]

Anyone still trying to defend Antifa should really follow Andy, in my view.

and now Nashville is poised to get a similar area takeover attempt - I doubt the leadership there will let it happen.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1271261646996992000?s=20

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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1271290443322413062?s=20

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[mountain_jim]

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/379/675/original/aac43c9295b89b54.jpg?1591987134

[AutumnW]

The Anatomy of a Fake Anti-fa Tweet:


On June 2, Twitter disclosed that an account suspended for inciting violence was the work of a far-right white nationalist organization known as Identity Evropa. The group had created a Twitter account, @ANTIFA_US, that claimed to be part of the anti-fascist movement known as “Antifa.” On Sunday, as protests began to surge across the United States, the account urged “Comrades” to “move into the residential areas… the white hoods…. and we take what’s ours …”

But before Twitter could suspend the account and uncover it as a fake, the tweet spun through conservative blogs and social media feeds, racking up thousands of retweets, and it was even shared by a Virginia state senator. On Facebook, the tweet first began circulating through QAnon groups before a page called “Latins for Trump” cross-posted it across nine different pro-Trump groups, writing, “Where’s twitter’s outrage about this clear call to violence? #antifaterrorist #Communist #twitter.”

https://onezero.medium.com/anatomy-of-a-fake-antifa-tweet-53d81c1b2aa3

[Jayke]

The Anatomy of a Fake Anti-fa Tweet:


On June 2, Twitter disclosed that an account suspended for inciting violence was the work of a far-right white nationalist organization known as Identity Evropa. The group had created a Twitter account, @ANTIFA_US, that claimed to be part of the anti-fascist movement known as “Antifa.” On Sunday, as protests began to surge across the United States, the account urged “Comrades” to “move into the residential areas… the white hoods…. and we take what’s ours …”

But before Twitter could suspend the account and uncover it as a fake, the tweet spun through conservative blogs and social media feeds, racking up thousands of retweets, and it was even shared by a Virginia state senator. On Facebook, the tweet first began circulating through QAnon groups before a page called “Latins for Trump” cross-posted it across nine different pro-Trump groups, writing, “Where’s twitter’s outrage about this clear call to violence? #antifaterrorist #Communist #twitter.”

https://onezero.medium.com/anatomy-of-a-fake-antifa-tweet-53d81c1b2aa3

The anatomy of the Democratic Party’s subversive tactic of ‘the wrap up smear (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjl1I61m_3pAhUHQkEAHergC4EQtwIwAHoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWzA-V_1lk40&usg=AOvVaw09T3ONEyPK8giOwxiZg_lA)’:

Step 1: have a fake news outlet publish a smear story which includes no citations or only unnamed sources as the basis for the story.
Step 2: have other comrades write other articles citing the first fake news article.
Step 3: use the engineered perception of ‘social proof (https://www.influenceatwork.com/principles-of-persuasion/)’ to trick people into thinking the initial story was true or has any validity.

~~~~~~~~~

Sorry Autumn, but clicked through your links to find the source and it just bounced me from one mainstream news report to another (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456) (without any of them actually naming a source for the accusation). Pretty sure your report is fake news. Not that it isn’t impossible. But does seem like the same old Alinsky tactic (http://www.openculture.com/2017/02/13-rules-for-radicals.html) that’s been used so much these past few years as to be totally transparent i.e. “accuse others of crimes they themselves commit”.

Even Alinsky had his limits to subversion though. He knew the left would become ‘the extreme right’ if they used his tactics too zealously. I’m not sure you’ve noticed yet but Antifa are the far-right Nazis these days.


“The hand that killed the tyrant dead, became the tyrant in his stead”
- William Blake

http://www.openculture.com/2017/02/13-rules-for-radicals.html


Alinsky's reference to Machiavelli sets readers up for a high degree of ruthlessness and realpolitik, and the book does not disappoint. If you’re looking for Anarchist Cookbook-level radicalism, you’d best look elsewhere. While Alinsky talked tough, in an honest Chicago way, he did not recommend violence in his manual. In the Prologue, he denounces “parts of the far left who have gone so far in the political circle that they are now all but indistinguishable from the extreme right.” In recent revolutionary violence, he writes, “we are dealing with people who are merely hiding psychosis behind a political mask.”

[Jayke]

Really Graceful YouTube channel looks at how Antifastan was simply gifted to the anarchists of Seattle by the mayor and government officials there. Is the whole Antifastan narrative part of a problem-reaction-solution set up? She also looks at Bill Gates connection to Seattle, as curiously, Bill Gates senior was head of the federal reserve in this district. Seems Bill Gates fingerprints are all over the absurd events 2020 has seen these past few months.

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Speaking of the Federal Reserve, Douglas Gabriel and Michael Mckibben take a deep dive on the top levels of organisation behind the red wave of communism. Rothschilds, Knights of Malta, Queens Privy Council, Cecil Rhodes and the ancient oligarchs of Venice, it covers them all in a coherent and revealing fashion. Audio only:

https://aim4truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/British-World-Order-Controls-America.mp3

[edina]

Local news reporting on the situation at the Seattle Capitol

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[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1271622416159006720?s=20

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[edina]

This was published yesterday, popping in here real quick. (I'll come back later and add links to information referenced in the video.)

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For me this segment is a fairly good summary of some of the key points regarding Antifa.

The first young man to speak in this short 10:24 segment is the same young man who spoke in an interview with the Leadership Institute shared in this comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359955&viewfull=1#post1359955).

His name is Gabriel Nadales and he is speaking from personal experience, both as someone who previously engaged in Antifa actions and as someone who now helps conservative students gain free speech in schools.

He describes the concept held within the Antifa belief system of “by any means necessary”.

One of the points raised by Gabriel Nadales is that there are many different people coming together under the umbrella of Anitifa when protesting, including animal rights, anti-capitalism, pro-socialsim. However, once they come together in the “black bloc” style of dressing, those distinctions disappear as they all focus on silencing their perceived opponents.

The 1 June 2020 speech by Trump (https://youtu.be/-K7XJGk8lyQ) in which he mentions “Antifa, and others, who are leading instigators of this violence (https://youtu.be/-K7XJGk8lyQ)” regarding what has been happening when daytime peaceful protests turn into nighttime riots, arson and looting.

The second young man in this segment is Andy Ngo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo), who has already been covered a little bit in an earlier comment here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359336&viewfull=1#post1359336).

The press conference with AG William Barr happened on 4 June 2020. 4:44 (https://youtu.be/_QJEZbQxCLw?t=284)


Such senseless acts of anarchy are not exercises of First Amendment Rights they are crimes designed to terrify fellow citizens and intimidate communities. There are groups that exploit the opportunity to engage in such crimes as looting. We have evidence that Antifa and other similar extremist groups have been involved in instigating and participating in the violent activity.

(Note the mention of “and others”, and “other similar extremist groups” by both Trump and Barr. I think this added distinction will become more relevant as events unfold. The militant elements hidden, or embedded, within Antifa may be connected to other groups, or factions, intent on destroying America from within.)


The segment in this video that brings in Peter Boghossian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Boghossian) is the first I’ve heard of this person. He seems to be talking about this rise of various “critical” theories, for example critical gender theory, critical race theory...

He referred to this as “grievances studies”. Which hyper-focuses on grievances in an unbalanced manner.

What he describes here dovetails with the information Millie Weaver brought forth in her recent Undercover Investigation, regarding the Sunrise Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_Movement). Shared here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1360893&viewfull=1#post1360893) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111184-Undercover-Investigation-Minneapolis-Riot-Was-Preplanned&p=1360435&viewfull=1#post1360435).

This also aligns with the demoralization process described in this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359988&viewfull=1#post1359988).

(For me, all of this helps to explain why attempts to try to talk with people coming from this ideological frame doesn’t work. For example in the earlier video with Gabriel Nadale, he describes (https://youtu.be/NpoSsq0IbQo?t=559) how when he started asking questions about economics, his antifa friends immediately turned on him and started calling him names… When people express an opinion to work with police department and/or when we see the police in more positive encounters, this is referred to as copaganda (https://youtu.be/M-k8iQbKfqc?t=164). The first time I heard that term was in the Lara Logan segment shared here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111137-Antifa&p=1359336&viewfull=1#post1359336) (2:44 (https://youtu.be/M-k8iQbKfqc?t=164)). The second time I heard that term was in the blog post shared by AutumnW, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111210-Confessions-of-a-Bastard-Cop).

What doesn’t show up in video summary, but can be discerned when looking at the various antifa/anarchist sites and social media accounts is that this movement is not just US based, and the revolution they seek is global.

Which is why we are seeing actions in other countries, in addition to the US.


Related:
Andy Ngo
I Was With Andy Ngo When The Antifa Attack Happened. Here Are The Horrifying Pictures (https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/02/andy-ngo-antifa-attack-happened-pictures/)
Oregon journalist Andy Ngo sues Antifa for $900,000 for 'campaign of terror' (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/4/andy-ngo-sues-rose-city-antifa-900000-campaign-ter/)
The assault on conservative journalist Andy Ngo, explained. (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys) By Vox.

William Barr:
Attorney General William Barr on "Face the Nation," June 7, 2020 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-barr-george-floyd-protests-blm-face-the-nation-transcript/)

Avalon thread:
The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111213-The-planned-takedown-of-America-now--June-2020--in-full-swing.)

[kfm27917]

A Brief History Of Antifa: Part I
Authored by Soeren Kern via The Gatestone Institute,

U.S. Attorney General William Barr has blamed Antifa — a militant "anti-fascist" movement — for the violence that has erupted at George Floyd protests across the United States. "The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly," he said.



Barr also said that the federal government has evidence that Antifa "hijacked" legitimate protests around the country to "engage in lawlessness, violent rioting, arson, looting of businesses, and public property assaults on law enforcement officers and innocent people, and even the murder of a federal agent." Earlier, U.S. President Donald J. Trump had instructed the U.S. Justice Department to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.


Academics and media outlets sympathetic to Antifa have argued that the group cannot be classified as a terrorist organization because, they claim, it is a vaguely-defined protest movement that lacks a centralized structure. Mark Bray, a vocal apologist for Antifa in America and author of the book "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook," asserts that Antifa "is not an overarching organization with a chain of command."

Empirical and anecdotal evidence shows that Antifa is, in fact, highly networked, well-funded and has a global presence. It has a flat organizational structure with dozens and possibly hundreds of local groups. Not surprisingly, the U.S. Department of Justice is currently investigating individuals linked to Antifa as a step to unmasking the broader organization.

In the United States, Antifa's ideology, tactics and goals, far from being novel, are borrowed almost entirely from Antifa groups in Europe, where so-called anti-fascist groups, in one form or another, have been active, almost without interruption, for a century.

What is Antifa?
Antifa can be described as a transnational insurgency movement that endeavors, often with extreme violence, to subvert liberal democracy, with the aim of replacing global capitalism with communism. Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration.

Antifa's nemeses include law enforcement, which is viewed as enforcing the established order. A common tactic used by Antifa in the United States and Europe is to employ extreme violence and destruction of public and private property to goad the police into a reaction, which then "proves" Antifa's claim that the government is "fascist."

Antifa claims to oppose "fascism," a term it often uses as a broad-brush pejorative to discredit those who hold opposing political beliefs. The traditional meaning of "fascism" as defined by Webster's Dictionary is "a totalitarian governmental system led by a dictator and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism, militarism, and often racism."

Antifa holds the Marxist-Leninist definition of fascism which equates it with capitalism. "The fight against fascism is only won when the capitalist system has been shattered and a classless society has been achieved," according to the German Antifa group, Antifaschistischer Aufbau München.

Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency, in a special report on left-wing extremism, noted:

"Antifa's fight against right-wing extremists is a smokescreen. The real goal remains the 'bourgeois-democratic state,' which, in the reading of left-wing extremists, accepts and promotes 'fascism' as a possible form of rule and therefore does not fight it sufficiently. Ultimately, it is argued, 'fascism' is rooted in the social and political structures of 'capitalism.' Accordingly, left-wing extremists, in their 'antifascist' activities, focus above all on the elimination of the 'capitalist system.'"

Matthew Knouff, author of An Outsider's Guide to Antifa: Volume II, explained Antifa's ideology this way:

"The basic philosophy of Antifa focuses on the battle between three basic forces: fascism, racism and capitalism — all three of which are interrelated according to Antifa.... with fascism being considered the final expression or stage of capitalism, capitalism being a means to oppress, and racism being an oppressive mechanism related to fascism."

In an essay, "What Antifa and the Original Fascists Have In Common," Antony Mueller, a German professor of economics who currently teaches in Brazil, described how Antifa's militant anti-capitalism masquerading as anti-fascism reveals its own fascism:

"After the left has pocketed the concept of liberalism and turned the word into the opposite of its original meaning, the Antifa-movement uses a false terminology to hide its true agenda. While calling themselves 'antifascist' and declaring fascism the enemy, the Antifa itself is a foremost fascist movement.

"The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but themselves its genuine representatives. Communism, Socialism and Fascism are united by the common band of anti-capitalism and anti-liberalism.

"The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace and prosperity."

Antifa's Ideological Origins
The ideological origins of Antifa can be traced back to the Soviet Union roughly a century ago. In 1921 and 1922, the Communist International (Comintern) developed the so-called united front tactic to "unify the working masses through agitation and organization" ... "at the international level and in each individual country" against "capitalism" and "fascism" — two terms that often were used interchangeably.

The world's first anti-fascist group, Arditi del Popolo (People's Courageous Militia), was founded in Italy in June 1921 to resist the rise of Benito Mussolini's National Fascist Party, which itself was established to prevent the possibility of a Bolshevik revolution on the Italian Peninsula. Many of the group's 20,000 members, consisting of communists and anarchists, later joined the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War (1936–39).

In Germany, the Communist Party of Germany established the paramilitary group Roter Frontkämpferbund (Red Front Fighters League) in July 1924. The group was banned due to its extreme violence. Many of its 130,000 members continued their activities underground or in local successor organizations such as the Kampfbund gegen den Faschismus (Fighting-Alliance Against Fascism).

In Slovenia, the militant anti-fascist movement TIGR was established in 1927 to oppose the Italianization of Slovene ethnic areas after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The group, which was disbanded in 1941, specialized in assassinating Italian police and military personnel.

In Spain, the Communist Party established the Milicias Antifascistas Obreras y Campesinas (Antifascist Worker and Peasant Militias), which were active in the 1930s.

The modern Antifa movement derives its name from a group called Antifaschistische Aktion, founded in May 1932 by Stalinist leaders of the Communist Party of Germany. The group was established to fight fascists, a term the party used to describe all of the other pro-capitalist political parties in Germany. The primary objective of Antifaschistische Aktion was to abolish capitalism, according to a detailed history of the group. The group, which had more than 1,500 founding members, went underground after Nazis seized power in 1933.

A German-language pamphlet — "80 Years of Anti-Fascist Actions" (80 Jahre Antifaschistische Aktion)" — describes in minute detail the continuous historical thread of the Antifa movement from its ideological origins in the 1920s to the present day. The document states:

"Antifascism has always fundamentally been an anti-capitalist strategy. This is why the symbol of the Antifaschistische Aktion has never lost its inspirational power.... Anti-fascism is more of a strategy than an ideology."

During the post-war period, Germany's Antifa movement reappeared in various manifestations, including the radical student protest movement of the 1960s, and the leftist insurgency groups that were active throughout the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

The Red Army Faction (RAF), also known as the Baader-Meinhof Gang, was a Marxist urban guerrilla group that carried out assassinations, bombings and kidnappings aimed at bringing revolution to West Germany, which the group characterized as a fascist holdover of the Nazi era. Over the course of three decades, the RAF murdered more than 30 people and injured over 200.

After the collapse of the communist government in East Germany in 1989-90, it was discovered that the RAF had been given training, shelter, and supplies by the Stasi, the secret police of the former communist regime.

John Philip Jenkins, Distinguished Professor of History at Baylor University, described the group's tactics, which are similar to those used by Antifa today:

"The goal of their terrorist campaign was to trigger an aggressive response from the government, which group members believed would spark a broader revolutionary movement."

RAF founder Ulrike Meinhof explained the relationship between violent left-wing extremism and the police: "The guy in uniform is a pig, not a human being. That means we don't have to talk to him and it is wrong to talk to these people at all. And of course, you can shoot."

Bettina Röhl, a German journalist and daughter of Meinhof, argues that the modern Antifa movement is a continuation of the Red Army Faction. The main difference is that, unlike the RAF, Antifa's members are afraid to reveal their identities. In a June 2020 essay published by the Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Röhl also drew attention to the fact that Antifa is not only officially tolerated, but is being paid by the German government to fight the far right:

"The RAF idolized the communist dictatorships in China, North Korea, North Vietnam, in Cuba, which were transfigured by the New Left as better countries on the right path to the best communism....

"The flourishing left-wing radicalism in the West, which brutally strikes at the opening of the European Central Bank headquarters in Frankfurt, at every G-20 summit or every year on May 1 in Berlin, has achieved the highest level of establishment in the state, not least thanks to the support by quite a few MPs from political parties, journalists and relevant experts.

"Compared to the RAF, the militant Antifa only lacks prominent faces. Out of cowardice, its members cover their faces and keep their names secret. Antifa constantly threatens violence and attacks against politicians and police officers. It promotes senseless damage to property amounting to vast sums. Nevertheless, MP Renate Künast (Greens) recently complained in the Bundestag that Antifa groups had not been adequately funded by the state in recent decades. She was concerned that 'NGOs and Antifa groups do not always have to struggle to raise money and can only conclude short-term employment contracts from year to year.' There was applause for this from Alliance 90 / The Greens, from the left and from SPD deputies.

"One may ask the question of whether Antifa is something like an official RAF, a terrorist group with money from the state under the guise of 'fighting against the right.'"

Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency explains Antifa's glorification of violence:

"For left-wing extremists, 'Capitalism' is interpreted as triggering wars, racism, ecological disasters, social inequality and gentrification. 'Capitalism' is therefore more than just a mere economic order. In left-wing extremist discourse, it determines the social and political form as well as the vision of a radical social and political reorganization. Whether anarchist or communist: Parliamentary democracy as a so-called bourgeois form of rule should be 'overcome' in any case.

"For this reason, left-wing extremists usually ignore or legitimize human rights violations in socialist or communist dictatorships or in states that they allegedly see threatened by the 'West.' To this day, both orthodox communists and autonomous activists justify, praise and celebrate the left-wing terrorist Red Army Faction or foreign left-wing terrorists as alleged 'liberation movements' or even 'resistance fighters.'"

Meanwhile, in Britain, Anti-Fascist Action (AFA), a militant anti-fascist group founded in 1985, gave birth to the Antifa movement in the United States. In Germany, the Antifaschistische Aktion-Bundesweite Organisation (AABO) was founded in 1992 to combine the efforts of smaller Antifa groups scattered around the country.

In Sweden, Antifascistisk Aktion (AFA), a militant Antifa group founded in 1993, established a three-decade track record for using extreme violence against its opponents. In France, the Antifa group L'Action antifasciste, is known for its fierce opposition to the State of Israel.

After the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the collapse of communism in 1990, the Antifa movement opened a new front against neoliberal globalization.

Attac, established in France in 1989 to promote a global tax on financial transactions, now leads the so-called alter-globalization movement, which, like the Global Justice Movement, is opposed to capitalism. In 1999, Attac was present in Seattle during violent demonstrations that led to the failure of WTO negotiations. Attac also participated in anti-capitalist demonstrations against the G7, the G20, the WTO, and the war in Iraq. Today, the association is active in 40 countries, with more than a thousand local groups and hundreds of organizations supporting the network. Attac's decentralized and non-hierarchical organizational structure appears to be the model being used by Antifa.

In February 2016, the International Committee of the Fourth International advanced the political foundations of the global anti-war movement, which, like Antifa, blames capitalism and neoliberal globalism for the existence of military conflict:

"The new anti-war movement must be anti-capitalist and socialist, since there can be no serious struggle against war except in the fight to end the dictatorship of finance capital and the economic system that is the fundamental cause of militarism and war."

In July 2017, more than 100,000 anti-globalization and Antifa protesters converged on the German city of Hamburg to protest the G20 summit. Leftist mobs laid waste to the city center. An Antifa group called "G20 Welcome to Hell" bragged about how it was able to mobilize Antifa groups from across the world:

"The summit mobilizations have been precious moments of meeting and co-operation of left-wing and anti-capitalist groups and networks from all over Europe and world-wide. We have been sharing experiences and fighting together, attending international meetings, being attacked by cops supported by the military, re-organizing our forces and fighting back. Anti-globalization movement has changed, but our networks endure. We are active locally in our regions, cities, villages and forests. But we are also fighting trans-nationally."

Germany's domestic security service, in an annual report, added:

"Left-wing extremist structures tried to shift the public debate about the violent G20 summit protests in their favor. With the distribution of photos and reports of allegedly disproportionate police measures during the summit protests, they promoted an image of a state that denounced legitimate protests and put them down with police violence. Against such a state, they said, 'militant resistance' is not only legitimate, but also necessary."

Part II of this series will examine the activities of Antifa in Germany and the United States.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/brief-history-antifa-part-i[/URL]

[shaberon]

Step 1: have a fake news outlet publish a smear story which includes no citations or only unnamed sources as the basis for the story.
Step 2: have other comrades write other articles citing the first fake news article.
Step 3: use the engineered perception of ‘social proof (https://www.influenceatwork.com/principles-of-persuasion/)’ to trick people into thinking the initial story was true or has any validity.




That is what makes it hard to believe anything.

I don't really take "reported evidence" and run with it, i. e., I can't really come to conclusions about what exactly happened with 9/11, JFK, or how UFOs work, etc. Something is wrong with the official stories and we can figure out some of it, but, I can't claim to have the right evidence to actually solve it.

Same type of tactic is done by John Birch, etc., of the extreme right. Step 1 is more or less any fabrication or alteration or omission.

There is cyclical misinformation from both camps, which hampers one's ability to connect to objective reality.

I tend to agree with part of the Antifa basics, that is, the dangers of capitalism, but I am not a Marx-Leninist or any of that stuff. Those are relatively recent European movements. The American revolution subverted it all, but, now, this is more of the "for hire" pseudo-revolution that was used around Europe to prevent an American-style revolution from occurring. So the tactic is well-practiced.

[Gemma13]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/06/20/un-shares-antifa-flag-tells-u-s-antifa-has-right-to-freedom-of-expression-and-peaceful-assembly/


United Nations “experts” slammed President Donald Trump’s call to label Antifa as a terrorist 8, claiming it will undermine Antifa’s right of “peaceful assembly” — despite many instances of violence by the far-left anarcho-communist group.

On Friday, the United Nations Office at Geneva (UNOG) posted the flag of Antifa on their official Twitter account, saying that a group of  human rights “experts” at the globalist organisation had expressed “profound concern over a recent statement by the U.S. Attorney-General describing Antifa and other anti-fascist activists as domestic terrorists, saying it undermines the rights to freedom of expression and of peaceful assembly in the country.”

...........

[Ernie Nemeth]

If you want to know who is behind all this, just look at recent history. There is the Russian collusion that almost buried and certainly hobbled the Trump administration, and the Chinese installing spyware in commercial communication products for sale in foreign markets. Also, and more importantly, the Chinese influence in our education system has been called out for radicalizing our youth. Had this sort of thing happened in the 1950s there would have been hell to pay! Today, it barely gets noticed.

[shaberon]

U. N. Geneva office made an unofficial statement (https://www.rt.com/usa/492426-defund-un-antifa-tweet/) to the effect that designating Antifa and other anti-fascists is suppression of free speech:


No further information was given about who these experts might be, or whether this was the official position of the Human Rights Council, a body the US demonstratively left in June 2018, citing its criticism of Israel.

In some views:

“The United Nations is running cover for an international extremist group that has conducted violent insurrectionist attacks across North America and Europe,”tweeted journalist Jack Posobiec of OAN, adding“Antifa doesn’t exist and also the UN just endorsed them.”

Journalist Drew Holden brought up the Geneva office’s praise for China, adding that rather than defunding police, the US should “defund the UN.”


Position of the ACLU: the UN “needs to do its job – not get bullied out of doing it – and hold the United States accountable.”

So while there are objections to the U. N. itself, there are also requirements that it dominate the U. S.

My guess is both of those demands cannot be satisfied. No, I don't think we're headed to some kind of un-divided party here. This is more of a house that cannot stand.

The domestic laws on secret societies generally mean that, you cannot assemble in this manner, to violently overthrow the government, including simply to plot on it.

I am pretty sure you can plan to non-violently overthrow the government, or, if you plan to vandalize non-governmental buildings, that is a different type of crime. For instance, I can sit around and talk about disbanding the Union until I die, and, it is totally inert unless the state holds a Constitutional referendum to permit secession. Texans and some other people do not have this obstacle, which is why Texas gets these petitions in motion almost every year. So far, it just doesn't get enough momentum.

[pyrangello]

These crowds of paid activists are miniscule. Problem is 1 there are too many dam cameras these days recording everything 2 the media only shows you what they want you to see 3 there are way too many lawyers in this country sucking off the drama trough making a hefty living. About 2 weeks ago antifa announced on social media that they were going to invade a city in California. Couple of the dominant biker gangs got wind of this and put the word out they would be there to meet their arrival. Guess what ,they didn't show. I know a lot of bikers , if this trend continues to demonize our good police I could see a day where the bikers will step forward. Will knock the crap out of these punks, and will go after those who dare to record any of it on their phones. And i believe the police will be so busy that they won't even show up for an hour when called.

Saw this happen in Detroit, one biker club moved into a neighborhood, infested with drugs and lots of crimes . After about 2 months of the presence of that biker club there the neighborhood was all cleaned up. The police didn't even have to patrol the area anymore either. No cameras, no attornies , and no media, just a direct dose of woop axx.

[Matthew]

When I'm waiting for a train, and its late, I thank my lucky stars and count my blessings that I'm not living in a fascist country. When it was born, Antifa was up against literal fascists.

https://images.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/08093521/antifa_aktion_1932.png


And yesterdays problems, while in clear focus, are not the same as todays problems

https://images.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/08093346/Antifa-Conference-1932.png

[shaberon]

These crowds of paid activists are miniscule.

Yes, it does not even resemble Henry Ford's statement that if people understood what was being done by "major players", there would be a revolution by morning.

I guess most of them still do not understand.

If I am supposed to take a disease seriously, then, you will have to show me something like 1/3 of the population getting hammered around the same time. Likewise for a so-called movement, six blocks of Seattle is nothing, you would have to at least "fill the Kingdome" for it to look like anything. These are more like a bunch of home movies that the rest of us are supposed to take seriously.

Yes, I think you are right that some bikers and other demographics will not put up with much.

So far, these rioters, and most of the "civilian guards", are sheep.

What this means in military terms is...you can't pull the trigger.

It is in fact pretty common among soldiers, especially conscripts.

If I would have had today off, there would have been an opportunity to protest the protest. Quite a few local statues were disturbed, including one of a black Confederate soldier. I can't, because I have to work too much, since right now, the American workforce is nearly useless. I suppose that is because if you lost a job somewhere else, you will be paid much more to "stay at home" than to work with me.

I will offer a temporary deal that says, I will not go to town just to hurt or kill someone like a sniper. I also won't go to try to stand around and look cool. I don't have an intimidating biker club, but, I can get rid of a bunch of sheep. Too much self-righteous pissing contest going on here.

[shaberon]

Hrm. They have won a small battle in statue removal. My state just decided to remove its final Confederate statue so the whole thing is sanitized.

Meanwhile, a bill came up to spend $4 million for some African American statues.

Right now it has stalled, because someone realized that maybe they shouldn't put out any statues if they are just going to get knocked over.

Well, that's right, since you legitimize removal of whatever, then, I can pretty much promise you, those, too, will be removed, in far less than a hundred years.

Destruction appears to be a more effective tactic than voting. This is a dangerous precedent.

[Matthew]

Why have Antifa escape a starring role for the previous riots? The press is more likely to attack Trump than Antifa. Sometimes the press even refused to believe Antifa exist.

Tim Pool, who loves Trump, thinks this was because it's the path of least resistance; it's not illegal, or risky, to attack Trump. Antifa, on the other hand, are an illusive, secretive group. Their whole modus operandi is based round causing significant damage to the system while remaining undetected and secretive.

For example, they will arrange a crowd, who wears black as instructed, then blend in to a bigger crowd. It's a deliberate 'theater of war' tactic. They are a paramilitary organisation.

The press takes a path of least resistance with Antifa, with their violence. Journalists like Mike Stuchbery defend Antifa and seem proud of them in some way. Antifa get it wrong all the time while they look for 1940's fascists, but it doesn't stop them causing destruction.


Tim Pool

Feds ARREST Antifa "Ringleader," Trump Deploys Unit To Protect Statues On July 4th From Far Left
2 Jul 2020

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[shaberon]

It is not the President doing it, but, a governor.


Atlanta (https://www.rt.com/usa/493986-georgia-guard-atlanta-violence/) is receiving probably 1,000 National Guard over the violence. The mayor has coronavirus.

Atlanta has an odd relation to Justice.


Despite the spelling, it has nothing to do with Atlantis.

No, it was a girl, Atalanta. For whatever reason, she has an obscure Greek goddess name, from "atalantos", equal in weight, related to "talantos", a scale or balance. So there, even if perhaps by accident, you have placed yourself under Virgo and her scale of justice, Libra. It's entirely possible that Atalanta's *individual* myth, if unlocked, has something specifically to do with the city itself; I don't know. Because she is a virgin whose name is "balance", she's Virgo-Libra. Not as in the pure eternal virgin like Sophia, because, she loses virginity, so the story indicates some kind of fall into matter, some kind of obstacle.

And further, if the claim that some of the first "Rosicrucians" had a few authentic manuscripts or Kalachakra-keys, which, for their own protection, they had to cloak in Christian garb, holds any weight--then this tract, for whatever reason, is inspired by that very same goddess, and for some reason, is not in every edition of the Glossary:

Atalanta Fugiens (Lat.). A famous treatise by the eminent Rosicrucian Michael Maier; it has many beautiful engravings of Alchemic symbolism: here is to be found the original of the picture of a man and woman within a circle, a triangle around it, then a square: the inscription is, “From the first ens proceed two contraries, thence come the three principles, and from them the four elementary states ; if you separate the pure from the impure you will have the stone of the Philosophers”.

[Bluegreen]

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https://twitter.com/RealBasedMAGA/status/1286789160095879169

[Matthew]

Seattle police are broken by the system.

From twitter:


source: twitter (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1286860380741021696)

The Seattle police chief informs business owners that they are on their own against rioters. The city council has tied her hands. The police do not have the tools to combat mob violence.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdvYsisWsAAEUii?format=jpg&name=medium



Edit:
Here is a transcription of the letter in plain text, for searches and prosperity:


Seattle
Police Department_______________________________________________

July 24, 2020



Dear Business Owner and/or resident:

Please know that the Seattle Police Department is committed to addressing life safety incidents and calls for service, and responding to ongoing demonstrations and unrest in the city.

Please also know that the City Council Ordinance 119805 Crowd Control Tool goes into effect this weekend on Sunday, July 26, 2020. This ordinance bans Seattle Police officers the use of less lethal tools, including pepper spray that is commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent. Simply put, the legislation gives officers NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.

It is important to bring to your attention that yesterday, I sent the City Council a letter ensuring them that as the Chief of Police, I have done my due diligence of informing them numerous times of the foreseeable impact of this ordinance on upcoming events. The letter is attached for your reference.

For these reasons, Seattle Police will have an adjusted deployment in response to any demonstrations this weekend - as I will never ask our officers to risk their personal safety to protect property without the tools to do so in a safe way

Sincerely,

Carmen Best
Chief of Police

[Bill Ryan]

From https://thenation.com/article/society/dhs-antifa-syria

Homeland Security Is Quietly Tying Antifa to Foreign Powers

3 August, 2020

An intelligence report obtained exclusively by THE NATION mentions several Americans, including a left-wing podcast host.

Department of Homeland Security intelligence officials are targeting activists it considers antifa and attempting to tie them to a foreign power, according to a DHS intelligence report obtained exclusively by The Nation.

The intelligence report, titled “The Syrian Conflict and Its Nexus to the U.S.-based Antifascist Movement,” mentions several Americans, including a left-wing podcast host who traveled to Syria to fight ISIS.

The report includes these individuals’ personal information, including their Social Security numbers, home addresses, and social media accounts, much of the data generated by the DHS’s Tactical Terrorism Response Teams. As the intelligence report states, “ANTIFA is being analyzed under the 2019 DHS Strategic Framework for Countering Terrorism (CT) and Targeted Violence.”

Dated July 14, the document, marked for official use only and law enforcement sensitive, draws on a blend of publicly available information and state and federal law enforcement intelligence. It was provided to The Nation by a source who previously worked on DHS intelligence.

“They targeted Americans like they’re Al Qaeda,” a former senior DHS intelligence officer with knowledge of the operations told The Nation. The officer, who served for years in the DHS’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A), compared the operations to the illegal surveillance of activists during the civil rights era. “They essentially were violating people’s rights like this was the ’60s…the type of **** the Church and Pike committee[s] had to address.”

Whither Antifa

While the law generally prohibits intelligence agencies from spying on US residents, many of those protections do not apply if the individual is believed to be acting as an agent of a foreign power.

“Designating someone as foreign-sponsored can make a huge legal and practical difference in the government’s ability to pursue them,” explained Steven Aftergood, who heads the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. “It’s a crucial distinction. Once someone (or some group) is identified as an agent of a foreign power, they are subject to warrantless search and surveillance in a way that would be illegal and unconstitutional for any other US person. The whole apparatus of US intelligence can be brought to bear on someone who is considered an agent of a foreign power.”

Current Issue

Last week the DHS reassigned (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dhs-official-whose-office-compiled-intelligence-reports-on-journalists-and-protesters-has-been-removed-from-his-job/2020/08/01/f01247be-d3ff-11ea-8d32-1ebf4e9d8e0d_story.html) its intelligence chief after The Washington Post revealed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dhs-compiled-intelligence-reports-on-journalists-who-published-leaked-documents/2020/07/30/5be5ec9e-d25b-11ea-9038-af089b63ac21_story.html) that the agency had been compiling intelligence reports on American journalists and activists in Portland, Ore. In response to President Trump’s executive order to protect monuments and other federal property, the DHS created the Protecting American Communities Task Force, which sent DHS assets to Portland and other cities. The agency has found itself in transition under the Trump administration.“They are always pressuring I&A for political reasons. It’s been like that since the election,” the former intelligence officer said.

This weekend, Politico reported (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/02/cuccinelli-oversight-homeland-security-intel-390185) that DHS Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli loosened oversight of I&A. Cuccinelli, at I&A’s request, curtailed the requirement that the DHS’s Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties approve I&A’s intelligence products before distribution to law enforcement partners.

The intelligence report’s executive summary states:

In June 2020, U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) National Targeting Center (NTC) Counter Network Division (CND) compiled CBP encounter data on individuals who returned from Syria and fought with the Yekîneyên Parastina Gel (YPG, translation: PEOPLE’S PROTECTION UNITS), and had some with reported ties to a U.S.-based ANTIFA (Anti-fascist) movement. CBP concerns about and interest in these individuals stem from the types of skills and motivations that may have developed during their time overseas in foreign conflicts.
These skills were also appreciated by the US military, which cooperated with the YPG in fighting ISIS for years. Last year Trump enraged many in the US military when he green-lit a Turkish offensive against the Kurdish militia. Jim Mattis reportedly (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/politics/jim-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html) resigned as defense secretary in part because of what he considered a betrayal of our Kurdish allies.

The intelligence report describes over half a dozen people who traveled to Syria in order to fight alongside Kurdish factions—usually the YPG but also other Kurdish groups like the PKK and the Peshmerga. Some of the individuals described have denied membership in antifa but variously identified with far-left causes. The DHS appears to define antifa broadly to encompass various left-wing tendencies: “Antifa is driven by a mixed range of far-left political ideologies, including anti-capitalism, communism, socialism, and anarchism.” In two cases, evidence of antifa affiliation was limited to photos taken in front of an antifa flag. As the intelligence report notes, “ANTIFA claims no official leadership,” raising questions about whether antifa even exists in any sort of operational capacity.

The first individual mentioned in the intelligence report, Brace Belden, cohosts the popular left-wing podcast TrueAnon and fought with the YPG in 2016. The information appears to be partly drawn from a 2017 article (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/the-anarchists-vs-the-islamic-state-109047/) on him in Rolling Stone, which described him as “a minor criminal and drug addict who started reading Marx and Lenin in drug rehabilitation treatment and became involved in a number of political causes before deciding to fight alongside the YPG.”

The report says of an encounter between Belden and border authorities:

U.S. citizen (USC) Brace BELDEN was encountered on 08 April 2017, arriving in San Francisco, California from Frankfurt, Germany. BELDEN was returning from a six month tour of volunteering to fight with the YPG under the umbrella of the Syrian Democrat Forces (SDF) fighting ISIS in Syria as part of the ongoing Raqqa offensive starting in November 2016 to retake Raqqa from ISIS. BELDEN stated he recently learned that an open source article had been written about him and his “Anarchist” fighters.
Belden scoffed at the association. “I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of any antifa organization,” he told The Nation. “The US government has been spying on and smearing communists for 100 years, but they usually have the decency not to call a Red an anarchist.”

“There appears to be a clear connection…between ANTIFA ideology and Kurdish democratic federalism teachings and ideology,” the intelligence report states. At least one of the activists listed is described as ethnically Kurdish.

On May 31, Trump vowed (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52868295) to designate antifa a terrorist organization. While antifa groups have engaged in acts of property destruction, antifa has not been linked to a single killing in the United States, according to (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa) data compiled in the past 25 years by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. By contrast, the same data found that far-right extremist groups killed 329 people.

The intelligence report appears to conclude that the individuals described were not acting on behalf of a foreign group—save for one unnamed person.

“Aside from a single instance derived from open-source reporting, there does not appear to be evidence of a centralized effort to give marching orders to returning ANTIFA-affiliated USPER [US person] foreign fighters once they return to the United States.”

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another one for the archives.

Apparently they started by attacking a veteran in a wheelchair.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nulluser10/status/1292284991225958400

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Footage allegedly shows police first detaining armed Antifa 'demonstrators', then letting them go.

https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1298114585053011968

PARALLELS..

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[Gracy]

Footage allegedly shows police first detaining armed Antifa 'demonstrators', then letting them go.

https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1298114585053011968

PARALLELS..

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I think those were agent provocateurs that identified themselves to the cop. Before he went off his rocker, Alex Jones showed how that was done a long time ago in Seattle.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another piece of the puzzle perhaps?

Satanic Temple Portland
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I can't say I'm surprised to find this festering in the murky interior. This 'angle' seems to fester everywhere.

Satanic Portland Antifascists
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And they're onboard with antifa. Ask yourself: are the goals of anti-fascism commensurable with satanism?

With all the digging that's been done so far on antifa, the dirt that's been dug, the stones turned over, can you honestly say this doesn't stink?

Not saying antifa are satanists, but if satanists align with, and are attracted by, antifa, what does that say? Surely by now you have to arrive at the conclusion, taking everything else into consideration, that antifa are not what they appear to be.

And consider the roots of this group...

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I think most of them are mercenaries, being directed and paid to loot, burn, destroy and agitate quite frankly on behalf of political bad actors, whoever they may be. There are theories for that.

I am antifascist. Who isn't! But this is not what anti-fascism looks like.

https://www.kialo.com/images/5adfc43c-cc9e-4cd4-8c1d-619c11f5a799_688x382.jpeg

https://wolnemedia.net/obrazki/antifa-01.jpg


This is what anti-fascism looks like.

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[mountain_jim]

Thread on many of George Soros funding operations

https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300650506952605697

https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300647357747519495?s=20

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https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300652316454944769?s=20

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interesting thread on what may be happening behind the scenes to legally go after Antifa:

https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300592826170908675



https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300453059231973376?s=20

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[Tintin]

Related reading material for those who may still not have got it yet. This is a must on my reading list now :thumbsup:

From this site (https://fee.org/resources/marxism-unmasked-from-delusion-to-destruction/ - Foundation For Economic Education - by way of some background:


The lectures by Ludwig von Mises (https://fee.org/resources/ludwig-von-mises/) contained in Marxism Unmasked were delivered at the San Francisco Public Library, June 23–July 3, 1952, under the sponsorship of The Freeman magazine. They were taken down, word for word, in shorthand and transcribed by Mrs. Bettina Bien Greaves. She has very kindly made these lectures available to the Foundation for Economic Education for publication

Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction
by Ludwig Von Mises

Downloadable from the site and also in the Avalon Library: http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ludwig%20Von%20Mises%20-Marxism%20Unmasked.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ludwig%20Von%20Mises%20-Marxism%20Unmasked.pdf

[Tintin]

America's Riots Are Just the Latest Version of Marxist "Syndicalism"

Source: The Mises Institute - Mises Wire (https://mises.org/wire/americas-riots-are-just-latest-version-marxist-syndicalism)

August 26, 2020 - 6:37 PM Mark Thornton [1]
Topics: Socialism [2]Strategy [3]The Police State [4]

The year 2020 is one of the most disrupted times in at least the last half century, maybe longer. Global protests and riots, the covid-19 virus, lockdowns, and police killings of unarmed citizens. Add to that widespread rioting, looting, arson, homelessness, and destruction of property, including the tearing down of statues. This chaos in the streets is being facilitated by mayors, governors, and police chiefs who are unwilling to enforce the law.

The great Ludwig von Mises included a discussion of “syndicalism” in chapter 33 of his Human Action: A Treatise on Economics [5]. Most people have never heard or read of this concept, but it is highly relevant to the situation we find ourselves in today. Mises’s analysis is even more important for understanding and fixing some of the most important problems we face today. In general, I define syndicalism as being able to do whatever you want at the expense of others.

In part, it represents the ideas of French philosopher, Georges Sorel, who thought relentless violence should be used against the institutions of capitalism. This would include the “general strike” so familiar in Europe to this day. This is in direct contrast to mutually beneficial exchange and the social cooperation of the division of labor. His ideas were influential with Marxists, fascists, Nazis, and advocates of unionism.

A Key Chapter in Mises's Human Action
When I first tried to read Human Action, I found it extremely difficult. I ended up skipping entire chapters and reading through others without understanding the material. Chapter 33 is a good example of that. Today, reading the book is much easier, because we now have things like Jeff Deist’s Human Action Podcast [6], which now contains a series of interviews on the book, and Robert Murphy’s Study Guide to Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. [7]

In the 1990s I taught a course in Austrian economics at Auburn University, an advanced undergraduate course. It was listed in the catalog next to the econometric and mathematical economics classes. I spent classes reviewing chapters, but the most difficult aspect was trying to relate Mises’s words and concepts to current events. Due to time constraints, I never covered chapter 33.

Fast-forward to more recent times. The Rothbard Graduate Seminar reviews Human Action every few years along with Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State and other selections during other years. I have always been assigned to teach a section of chapters at the end of the book which includes chapter 33. Once again, due to time constraints and my perceived view of its relevancy, I have decided to skip the chapter. That is, until this year.

What Is Syndicalism?
So, what is syndicalism? Political syndicalism is direct violent revolutionary action against the institutions of capitalism, such as security forces, property, particularly business property, and the rule of law. This approach is often adopted by Marxists, socialists, and fascists as a means of gaining power. At the root of the chaos and upheaval on our streets is an attempt at disrupting society and taking more control of it by Marxists, socialists, and “anarchists.”

The fundamental error that syndicalism makes is to think that entrepreneurs and capitalists are “irresponsible autocrats” free to pursue their personal agenda. The reality is that business leaders must follow the interests of consumers in order to further their self-interest in making profits. They have to find correct prices, production levels, and correct means of production. These things are determined by entrepreneurs with various types of feedback from the marketplace.

The riots, looting, and violence against people and their property is mostly motivated to achieve Marxist ideals via syndicalist activity (i.e., violence). Those employing these means include Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and especially the “anarchist provocateurs” who adeptly turn peaceful protests into violent riots. Of course, there is also some violence on the right, some of which I witness on the campus of Auburn University. But in either case, with mayors, governors, and police chiefs restraining and even defunding the police, the violence often goes unchecked.

The Other Type of Syndicalism
This use of the word "syndicalism" should not be confused with the better-known syndicalism as a social system, which is an alternative to socialist central planning. This system in theory would give workers control over the industries in which they work. They would make the decisions on things entrepreneurs decide in the market, such as wage rates, benefits, hours, production, etc.

The workers can do anything they want at the expense of others. But if everyone is raising their prices and reducing output, how can anyone gain from the arrangement? Both forms of syndicalism ultimately rest on the Marxist notions that entrepreneurs and capitalists exploit labor and have no real purpose worth rewarding. Obviously, each industry would want higher wages, higher prices, shorter working hours, and this would result in lower output. Raw material prices increase and get passed on to consumer goods industries, which must pass those increases on to the consumer along with their own increases. This happens across the entire economy. As a result, production plummets and prices become unhinged from market prices. The “economy” would collapse if syndicalism were attempted on an economywide basis.

Democracy Fails to Provide a Solution
With democracy and voting and the military not likely or viable options, an individualist option must be developed to solve the problem. People are arming themselves in various ways. They are using various security devices like cameras and stronger locks. Businesses are hiring security firms and protecting storefront windows. Others are simply moving from cities to the suburbs and beyond. Don’t expect government to solve the problem, although more secessionism and decentralization would surely help.

Source URL: https://mises.org/wire/americas-riots-are-just-latest-version-marxist-syndicalism
Links
[1] https://mises.org/profile/mark-thornton
[2] https://mises.org/topics/socialism
[3] https://mises.org/topics/strategy
[4] https://mises.org/topics/police-state
[5] https://mises.org/library/human-action-0/html/p/901
[6] https://mises.org/library/human-action-podcast
[7] https://mises.org/library/study-guide-human-action-treatise-economics

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1302143323918995456

[Gracy]

Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1302143323918995456

How do we know they're Antifa? All I saw were people getting loaded into unmarked vans by guys looking like they're fresh from a battlefield in Iraq.

And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but playing patriotic music in the background just doesn't sit well. Like, maybe a bit propagandistic or something? I saw another clip off that twitter thread where they were playing "Darth Vader's Theme" while chasing people down the street.

[edina]

Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1302143323918995456

I liked that they were playing America, the Beautiful. So many of the people involved in these protest/riots hate America.

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1302143323918995456

How do we know they're Antifa? All I saw were people getting loaded into unmarked vans by guys looking like they're fresh from a battlefield in Iraq.

I saw and was reading about it elsewhere, that seems to be the story on the ground. I believe it was a mix of BLM and antifa activists. The darth vader march was (supposedly) being played by the protesters as the police advanced.

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And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but playing patriotic music in the background just doesn't sit well.

SJWs want to cancel patriotic songs in my country. Because they wrongly believe they are racist, and that patriotism and nationalism are the same thing. They are not. At all.

I thought America the Beautiful was perfect given the context. If it was me, it wouldn't matter who they were or what they were protesting, if these hooligans came rolling into my town shouting, smashing and burning, I'd be the first to cheer, with patriotic songs blaring, as they were cuffed by police and thrown into the back of a wagon.

This was in Rochester NY, last night, a BLM mob tearing up a restaurant. If these are not domestic terrorists, then I don't know what is.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1302072620871856128

I'm the first to support a just cause. These are not just causes. Antifa are a paramilitary hate group, trying to combat phantom fascism with fascism. Black Lives Matter I understand. I have every sympathy for black people, or any people, who have suffered from abuse and discrimination. They want to shine a light on these issues. Well this is NOT the way. If they want to fight racism, call out individual racists, and leave the rest of us who aren't racist alone.

Violence and rebellion is not the way. Violence only begets violence, hatred only begets hatred. This can only feed off itself and escalate, and escalate.

The longer they carry on with this the more enemies they'll make, and the more push back they'll get. People who were once compassionate and sympathetic to their plight no longer will be. Guns may even come out. The tolerance of most good folks has a limit. When people start getting killed (and they are), or when businesses start getting destroyed (and they are), it will blow up in their face. Worst case: BLM's agitating will create new racists. It could send their cause back a hundred years.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I would strongly suggest looking in detail at what happened in Yugoslavia. There is a great danger that history will repeat itself otherwise. Study how a large cohesive group, co-existing for centuries, all of one ethnicity, were slowly radicalized along religious lines. Soon even the police took sides. Then chaos reigned and atrocities occurred. No one thought it could happen there either. And it all started with people taking sides in a narrative with no winners and only losers. Instead of appealing to their shared heritage and standing on common ground, they chose to find division and respond with violence. After horrible bloodshed, Yugoslavia is now several smaller countries...

[Gracy]

Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1302143323918995456


How do we know they're Antifa? All I saw were people getting loaded into unmarked vans by guys looking like they're fresh from a battlefield in Iraq.


I saw and was reading about it elsewhere, that seems to be the story on the ground. I believe it was a mix of BLM and antifa activists. The darth vader march was (supposedly) being played by the protesters as the police advanced.
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Okay. Well again, here's my problem. Neither in any of those twitter videos, nor even in this YouTube video, do I see much evidence of an out of control mob. I see a bunch of people, and I see a bunch of cops in riot gear chasing, and arresting, people.

That's all I see. I see what's on the videos, and until I see more, all I see is a separate narrative attached to these videos.

I no longer trust the word has it thing, after DC riot police charged through a crowd gathered in Lafayette Square with clubs, tear gas and rubber bullets. I know this was a peaceful protest, and I know what the riot police did because I was watching the whole thing from multiple angles live on CNN before, during, and after.

Then the word came out later that there were no clubs, no rubber bullets, and the tear gas I saw was nothing but smoke bombs. Well, I know better because I saw it.

There was what actually happened, and then there was the separate narrative that came by and attached itself to the event.


This was in Rochester NY, last night, a BLM mob tearing up a restaurant. If these are not domestic terrorists, then I don't know what is.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1302072620871856128

Now that's a different story, cos there it is. Blam, no doubt about it!

Let me tell y'all something right now. I have a conceal carry permit, if you see me in public assume I'm armed. Were I sitting at one of those tables I'd be looking for a way out too, but if they blocked my exit and surrounded me, I'd be in genuine fear for my life and ready to shoot somebody.

So hopefully that makes my position very clear on genuinely angry, out of control mobs. But not every protest, even heated protests, rises to the level of angry out of control mob. And I'm afraid ther's a lot of that these days.


The darth vader march was (supposedly) being played by the protesters as the police advanced.

So back to original topic. That's a little too convenient to me that the cops were playing "America The Beautiful", and the protesters were playing "Darth Vader's Theme". One side or the other played both.


Violence and rebellion is not the way. Violence only begets violence, hatred only begets hatred. This can only feed off itself and escalate, and escalate.

The longer they carry on with this the more enemies they'll make, and the more push back they'll get. People who were once compassionate and sympathetic to their plight no longer will be. Guns may even come out. The tolerance of most good folks has a limit. When people start getting killed (and they are), or when businesses start getting destroyed (and they are), it will blow in their face. Worst case: BLM's agitating will create new racists. It could send their cause back a hundred years.

I'm with you Mark, no argument there what so ever. However, I feel it in me bones that we REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, need to be EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA careful, that we're sure of what we're actually looking at in each AND EVERY ONE of these instances.

Remember "Plato's Cave".

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The way I see it, and I may be in error, but it's the way it looks, is that BLM and antifa are two fists punching from the same body. That body is political. Essentially what we are seeing is a drawn out false flag terrorist attack, this one domestic. The last time antifa and BLM were this vocal was during the 2016 election cycle. Trump being the target. And here we are again. Now I don't stand by that conviction, because it isn't necessarily a written in stone conviction, but it is a (solid) theory.

I do agree that when things get this messy it becomes very difficult to know exactly what is happening, who's doing what, who's fighting who, and so forth. In reporting these accounts I am aware that yes, they could be flawed, could be biased. But I feel inclined to share them anyway, and let people weigh them for what they are and make up their own minds. I certainly haven't tried to sensationalize, I hardly need to, these videos/stories do in many cases speak for themselves. I'm trying to make sense of what's going on like everyone else.

I'm aware that perception is susceptible to error, very much so, but when you tally alongside an overwhelming abundance of like videos and like stories and like accounts, the chance of error gets smaller and smaller and smaller. At which point it's natural to "infer"..

We can only hope that 'it all comes out in the wash', that the truth will be learned and guilty pay for their crimes. I respect, support (though not always have faith in) due process. The courts will have a hell of a task sorting this all out. I hope they can do so, and as fairly and justly as possible.

[Jayke]

A new dance craze emerging from the smoky embers of Portlands downtown riots, ‘the Antifa shuffle‘ AKA ‘how to stomp out a fire when a comrade Molotov cocktails your trainers’.

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Michael Tsarion mentioned something about the battle of good vs evil in a podcast recently. To paraphrase, “Evil is ultimately incompatible with life, and as a result all good has to do is stand strong in the face of chaos. Evil will ultimately consume and annihilate itself in its eagerness and haste for dominion.”

And with Trump recently banning radical leftist ideology within government, Antifa are all but ready to implode...

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[Gwin Ru]

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Newt Gingrich dares to claim that George Soros is funding the violence...and the Media squirm.

"George Soros doesn't need to be part of this conversation."
"So it's verboten?"

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[Gemma13]

As an Aussie I'm not familiar with Fox Personalities. Does anyone know who the blonde female @1:15 in the above vid is before I go searching. Thanks.

[edina]

That Fox News, Gringrich talking about Soros clip, certainly was curious. :sherlock:

Gemma13, I didn't recognize the woman you asked about, either. I looked in the comments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XC7SNmzCSs&lc=UgyN8VhdLf2MXfRZULp4AaABAg) section and someone mentioned, Marie Elizabeth Harf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Harf)


Harf began her career at the Directorate of Intelligence at the CIA as an analyst focusing on Middle Eastern leadership issues. She later became the media spokesperson of the CIA.[6] During the 2012 presidential election, she reportedly helped craft U.S. President Barack Obama's national security and communications strategy, and also served as campaign spokesperson on national security issues.

The main commentator, Harris Faulkner, didn't seem to have a problem with Gringich talking about Soros. The other two did.

[pyrangello]

I live in a small town of 3000 people here and many know the name of George Soros, let's just say he,s not your favorite uncle anybody wants to invite to dinner for the holidays here in the u.s.newt Gingrich has him pegged spot on and many many Americans are becoming very educated as to those behind the scenes that could give a rats behind about us common American citizens.

[Gemma13]

Yes, thanks Edina. It apparently caused quite a stir with Gingrich addressing it the next day.


https://meaww.com/fox-news-slammed-newt-gingrich-stopped-discussing-george-soros-backed-district-attorneys-afraid

At this point, Gingrich was cut off by Fox Business anchor Melissa Francis. “I’m not sure we need to bring George Soros into this," she said, before fellow panelist Marie Harf agreed and said, “George Soros doesn’t need to be part of this conversation.” Harf was a spokeswoman for the CIA and the State Department in the Obama era. “Okay, so it’s verboten?” Gingrich said in response, followed by a long moment of awkward silence. Host Harris Faulkner then interjected by saying, “Okay, we’re going to move on.”


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/foxs-harris-faulkner-addresses-hosts-cutting-off-newt-gingrich-talking-about-george-soros

Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner addressed what she called the "little incident" with Newt Gingrich a day after he was shut down for invoking liberal billionaire George Soros.

On Thursday's episode of Outnumbered, Faulkner said the awkward exchange the day before "was not smooth," adding that each person on the panel-styled show should be given the opportunity to speak.

"So, we had a little incident on the show yesterday that was not smooth," she said. "While I was leading that segment, we had interruptions, and I sat silently while all of that played out. Also not ideal. Our guest, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is beloved and needed to be allowed to speak with the openness and respect that the show was all about, was interrupted. Do we debate with fire here? Yes. But we must also give each other the space to express ourselves."

The moment of reflection came a day after Gingrich brought up Soros, linking the wealthy Democratic donor to the violent riots that have caused damage across the country over the last few months.

“The No. 1 problem in almost all the cities is George Soros-elected, left-wing, anti-police, pro-criminal district attorneys who refuse to keep people locked up,” Gingrich said. “Both Harris and Biden have talked very proudly about what they call progressive district attorneys. Progressive district attorneys are anti-police, pro-criminal, and overwhelmingly elected with George Soros’s money. And they are a major cause of the violence we are seeing because they keep putting the violent criminals back on the street.”

Two other people who appeared on the show, commentator Melissa Francis and former State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf, pushed back on the former speaker, arguing that Soros was not relevant to the conversation.

Soros, a Jewish, Hungarian-born billionaire and philanthropist, has been involved in political lobbying and reportedly spent at least $48 million on in 2019 alone. The 90-year-old with a net worth of roughly $8 billion has poured tens of millions into political campaigns across the country, specifically in races for district attorney.

These political contributions have fed into claims and conspiracy theories, including anti-Semitic tropes, that Soros has outsized influence in the world.

"Why are some in the left so afraid of our mentioning George Soros’ name that they scream anti-semitic? It IS his name. He IS funding pro-criminal, anti police district attorneys. Why is the left afraid of the facts?" Gingrich tweeted more than a week ago.

[Gemma13]

Lisa Haven appears super excited about Soros finally getting called out on mainstream airtime - referencing the Fox News clip above and others. Let's hope it isn't another hit that will be forgotten about in the next blink of an eye.


BOOM! George Soros Is On The Chopping-Block! He Just Got a Big Surprise He Never Saw Coming! Sep 17, 2020
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1315990627386036224

[PurpleLama]

https://vimeo.com/474230602

Jack Posobiec just released a documentary on Antifa.

[PurpleLama]

https://vimeo.com/474230602

Jack Posobiec just released a documentary on Antifa.

They already took it down on Vimeo....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/CUHKSxkP1YLm/

[RunningDeer]

https://vimeo.com/474230602

Jack Posobiec just released a documentary on Antifa.

They already took it down on Vimeo....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/CUHKSxkP1YLm/

I requested that administration download to Avalon library.

Here's the trailer.


Antifa: Rise of the Black Flags (Official Trailer)
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Mod note from Bill: Yes, we've got it.
:thumbsup:

[edina]

President Trump retweeted a link to the Antifa movie, "Rise of the Black Flags"
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1323073167464648704

The attempt to suppress is backfiring.

One of the points I'm happy to see Lee Smith mention in the movie is the connection of the American, German, and other nations' Antifa to the Hamas and other Middle East terrorist groups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups).

I think the more people learn about the roots, history and intent of this organized and financially supported part of Antifa, the more they will understand why it was designated as a domestic terrorist (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331) organization.


(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and


"Still Think This Is An Idea?" - San Francisco Free-Speech Marchers, Police Violently Attacked By Antifa (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/still-think-idea-san-francisco-free-speech-marchers-police-violently-attacked-antifa)
Plutocrat Violence And Election-Night Horror: Marxian Analysis Shows That Antifa Is Fascist (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/plutocrat-violence-and-election-night-horror-marxian-analysis-shows-antifa-fascist)

[Tintin]

https://vimeo.com/474230602

Jack Posobiec just released a documentary on Antifa.

They already took it down on Vimeo....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/CUHKSxkP1YLm/

I requested that administration download to Avalon library.

Here's the trailer.


Antifa: Rise of the Black Flags (Official Trailer)
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Mod note from Bill: Yes, we've got it.
:thumbsup:



And it's been here in the library for a few hours - apologies for the delay in the update. Here's the full movie. :highfive:

http://avalonlibrary.net/Antifa_Rise_of_the_Black_Flags_%28Posobiec-2020%29.mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Antifa_Rise_of_the_Black_Flags_%28Posobiec-2020%29.mp4

[edina]

Thanks Tintin, for embedding the Avalon library version of the video. :sun:

[ExomatrixTV]

Former Antifa Activist Reveals Their True Agenda:
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Patrick Bet-David has a virtual sit down with the former Antifa Member, Gabriel Nadales, to talk about Antifa, the 2020 election, socialism in America and why younger people are fascinated with it. Recommended video: Heated Debate On Capitalism with America’s Most Prominent Marxist Economist - Richard Wolff - https://youtu.be/wj-zFgxCUnY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-zFgxCUnY) About the guest: Gabriel Nadales is a conservative activist and author of "Behind the Black Mask: My Time as an Antifa Activist." Gabriel grew up in the San Gabriel Valley in California and graduated from Citrus College in 2015. He is currently enrolled at Northwestern California School of Law and hopes to practice Constitutional Law upon passing the California Bar. Gabriel first became involved in politics in 2009 as a member of the left and eventually joined the Antifa movement. Disillusioned with leftist politics, Gabriel reached out to conservative organizations, in hopes that they would provide an alternative to the left’s extremist views. Finally, a Leadership Institute Regional Field Coordinator contacted him in 2013, and Gabriel began his career in conservative politics.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Well, this is a switch...
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1345408951878377478?s=20

[rgray222]

This is fairly disgusting display by Ted Wheeler from Portland. This man enabled and aided ANTIFA through 2020 and blamed Trump at every opportunity. He actually said that Trump created their hate and their violence. Now that the election is over he wants them to stop. This message is directed at ANTIFA saying if you don't stop we do everything in our power to stop you. One of the things the left does not understand is that when you create this level of hate and anger it will destroy every thing and everyone in its path. The hard left has been created by colleges, media and these extreme politicians and they will eventually be destroyed by their own creations. Hypocrisy at its finest on display here.


Well, this is a switch...
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1345408951878377478?s=20

[Gracy]

One of the things the left does not understand is that when you create this level of hate and anger it will destroy every thing and everyone in its path. The hard left has been created by colleges, media and these extreme politicians and they will eventually be destroyed by their own creations. Hypocrisy at its finest on display here.

Well now, let's not forget that their counterparts are more and more openly advocating for public executions. Hangings, beheadings, heads on pikes, drawn and quartered, all that good stuff.

The s##t of it is, they both feel perfectly justified in their "hate and anger", and their aching need to annihilate the other.

Brings the following line to mind from "Sympathy For The Devil":


I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting graphic that was discovered and published by Mike Adams yesterday.

https://naturalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Antifa-disguise.png

[Deneon]

An interesting graphic that was discovered and published by Mike Adams yesterday.

https://naturalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Antifa-disguise.png

Fact check: Flyer does not show an Antifa call for riots after Election Day 2020 (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-nov-4-flyer/fact-check-flyer-does-not-show-an-antifa-call-for-riots-after-election-day-2020-idUSKBN27I2IM)

Bill, please google it just once before posting. I would expect better from most Avalonians, but especially you. This has been around since at least 2017, and even if you think it has some validity or that it's real, it certainly wasn't discovered yesterday.

[Bill Ryan]

I optimized the above image a little to make it easier to read the text.

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise_2.jpg

[Deneon]

Again:



According to a CrowdTangle search, the same image has been circulating on public Facebook groups and pages at least since Oct. 27, 2017 ( here (https://www.facebook.com/1653554188262272/posts/2004094103208277) , here (https://www.facebook.com/588460204508791/posts/1603056119715856) ). Posts from 2019 are visible here (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2379750208941576&id=100007198606162) and here (https://www.facebook.com/feduppatri0ts/posts/486194278615634) .

The flyer originated in 2017, when online rumors warned about an alleged “civil war” and that “far-left radicals” would gather in the streets on Nov. 4, 2017. This false claim was reported and debunked by several media outlets ( here (https://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/) , here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/01/the-antifa-apocalypse-is-coming-this-weekend-if-you-believe-the-hype/) , here (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/google-top-stories-featured-false-news-rumored-antifa-civil-war) ).



full article here: Fact check: Flyer does not show an Antifa call for riots after Election Day 2020 (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-nov-4-flyer/fact-check-flyer-does-not-show-an-antifa-call-for-riots-after-election-day-2020-idUSKBN27I2IM)

Any media outlet reporting on this as if it was discovered yesterday, or is something new, cannot be taken seriously. A Google search will show within seconds that it has been around for much longer than that. How can you trust any agency, outlet or person, that does not even spend 2 minutes vetting a story or checking to see if it has any merit?

[Gemma13]

Again:



According to a CrowdTangle search, the same image has been circulating on public Facebook groups and pages at least since Oct. 27, 2017 ( here (https://www.facebook.com/1653554188262272/posts/2004094103208277) , here (https://www.facebook.com/588460204508791/posts/1603056119715856) ). Posts from 2019 are visible here (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2379750208941576&id=100007198606162) and here (https://www.facebook.com/feduppatri0ts/posts/486194278615634) .

The flyer originated in 2017, when online rumors warned about an alleged “civil war” and that “far-left radicals” would gather in the streets on Nov. 4, 2017. This false claim was reported and debunked by several media outlets ( here (https://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/) , here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/01/the-antifa-apocalypse-is-coming-this-weekend-if-you-believe-the-hype/) , here (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/google-top-stories-featured-false-news-rumored-antifa-civil-war) ).



full article here: Fact check: Flyer does not show an Antifa call for riots after Election Day 2020 (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-nov-4-flyer/fact-check-flyer-does-not-show-an-antifa-call-for-riots-after-election-day-2020-idUSKBN27I2IM)

Any media outlet reporting on this as if it was discovered yesterday, or is something new, cannot be taken seriously. A Google search will show within seconds that it has been around for much longer than that. How can you trust any agency, outlet or person, that does not even spend 2 minutes vetting a story or checking to see if it has any merit?

I think you're missing the point, or maybe not.

The article does not say exactly when the image emerged because it is using the image as a caricature which is "a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way through sketching, pencil strokes, or through other artistic drawings".

If you're not familiar with the deceptions and tricks of Antifa perhaps you should read the thread instead of arguing an irrelevant point as the basis for ignoring the relevant Antifa points and claiming media who use caricatures cannot be trustworthy.

[Deneon]

Bill said Mike Adams discovered and shared this image yesterday. That implies it was FOUND yesterday. It was not. Bill did not link an article with more information with more context. So, I want to give context.

I have no doubts Antifa is real, and I have no doubt their aim is to make the Trumpers look bad by creating civil unrest, and I have no doubt that they've done this dressed as Trumpers. But I still think I should point out if I see information that is wrong. Misinformation is misinformation, whether it alignes with your world view or not.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill said Mike Adams discovered and shared this image yesterday. That implies it was FOUND yesterday. It was not. Bill did not link an article with more information with more context. So, I want to give context.

I have no doubts Antifa is real, and I have no doubt their aim is to make the Trumpers look bad by creating civil unrest, and I have no doubt that they've done this dressed as Trumpers. But I still think I should point out if I see information that is wrong. Misinformation is misinformation, whether it alignes with your world view or not.

Yes, the flyer was old, and the 'election' referred to was 2016. ("NOV. 4" is a clue!)

Kind of makes it worse! :)

Mike Adams published it here:


https://naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-staged-viking-who-stormed-capitol-building-blm.html

His text was:
A flyer has also emerged that calls upon Antifa to dress up like MAGA supporters in order to impersonate them while instigating violence.
Here it is again. Everyone should see this. (I hadn't seen it before, which is how come I'd assumed it was new.) But it doesn't matter how old or new it is. It's the content that matters.

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise_2.jpg

[Maunagarjana]

Bill said Mike Adams discovered and shared this image yesterday. That implies it was FOUND yesterday. It was not. Bill did not link an article with more information with more context. So, I want to give context.

I have no doubts Antifa is real, and I have no doubt their aim is to make the Trumpers look bad by creating civil unrest, and I have no doubt that they've done this dressed as Trumpers. But I still think I should point out if I see information that is wrong. Misinformation is misinformation, whether it alignes with your world view or not.

Yes, the flyer was old, and the 'election' referred to was 2016. ("NOV. 4" is a clue!)

Kind of makes it worse! :)

Mike Adams published it here:


https://naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-staged-viking-who-stormed-capitol-building-blm.html

His text was:
A flyer has also emerged that calls upon Antifa to dress up like MAGA supporters in order to impersonate them while instigating violence.
Here it is again. Everyone should see this. (I hadn't seen it before, which is how come I'd assumed it was new.) But it doesn't matter how old or new it is. It's the content that matters.

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise_2.jpg


You do realize that this could easily be flyers made by Trump supporters as way to to deflect criticism? It's the same type of simple disinformation that is done where right wingers put ads on craigslist pretending to be left wing activists offering to pay protestors, which is a very cheap and effective way to try to delegitimize any protest. It's very clear that the people at the capitol weren't Antifa. They were loud and proud Trump supporters, QAnon believers, etc. The existence of Antifa has driven right wingers crazy. They don't understand it, so becomes whatever they fear it is. It's their favorite boogeyman lately.

[Praxis]

Bill said Mike Adams discovered and shared this image yesterday. That implies it was FOUND yesterday. It was not. Bill did not link an article with more information with more context. So, I want to give context.

I have no doubts Antifa is real, and I have no doubt their aim is to make the Trumpers look bad by creating civil unrest, and I have no doubt that they've done this dressed as Trumpers. But I still think I should point out if I see information that is wrong. Misinformation is misinformation, whether it alignes with your world view or not.

Yes, the flyer was old, and the 'election' referred to was 2016. ("NOV. 4" is a clue!)

Kind of makes it worse! :)

Mike Adams published it here:


https://naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-staged-viking-who-stormed-capitol-building-blm.html

His text was:
A flyer has also emerged that calls upon Antifa to dress up like MAGA supporters in order to impersonate them while instigating violence.
Here it is again. Everyone should see this. (I hadn't seen it before, which is how come I'd assumed it was new.) But it doesn't matter how old or new it is. It's the content that matters.

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Antifa-disguise_2.jpg

You are beyond gullible if you think that ANTIFA would create this. Literally the top says ANTIFA COMRADE like that is something they would put to catch each others eyes.

Everything about this was created to play to exactly the type of people on this site.

If you think the people who attempted a coup at the capitol building were antifa driven, then I have a bridge to sell you.

But wait, the cops were clearly letting the protestors into capitol. So are the cops working with ANTIFA. It was not until they were breaching a door closer to actualy Congressmen that someone got shot.

REmember when other protest walked down main streets of cities and not storming the seats of government in their cities and the cops VIOLENTLY put it down?

Yet armed wackos calling elections stolen marched on the currently in session congress and literally got to the door in the building before serious resistance. (Watching the videos and livestreams, seemed that most people storming the building itself were not people of color). Funny how they didnt get shot. Some cops even took selfies with the Qulters.

NOPE no systemic racism in america. NONE! Imagine if black people marched on congress while confirming Donald trump in 2016. How do you think they would have been treated trying to force themselves into the capitol building.

You are recycling reactionary propaganda that was low effort at the time. Next you are going to tell me Hillary Clinton was behind the Coup attempt the other.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

“Antifa”;has been active on the Portland street scene for at least 10 years. Over the last few years, money began flowing in along with a sophisticated level of organization which indicates outside manipulation or control..some are paid druggies and meth addicts, others are genuinely sincere in their Marxist beliefs. Their energy is dark, ugly and Arconically linked. They are self righteous and violent. Nothing good comes from this group..when they have served their purpose they will be dumped, discarded and destroyed by forces they lack the experience to comprehend or fully understand.

[Maunagarjana]

The "group" everyone likes to blame when they talk about "Antifa" is the Black Bloc that they see show up at protests. These are people who dress in all black and often bring clubs and shields. Their intention is to protect protesters from white nationalists and, if necessary, also from the police. They are more likely to antagonize the white nationalists than the police.

The Black Bloc is not just one group. It just seems like they are one group because their intentions are the same wherever you see them and wearing all black is convenient for identifying themselves as acting in the capacity of confronting fascists. They wear face coverings so they are not identifiable should they do something illegal during a protest.

The media has been calling the Black Bloc "Antifa" because they often refer to themselves that way. "Antifa" is not the name of their group; rather, it is the name of their basic shared ideology: that fascism is bad. Anyone who believes fascism is bad is this Antifa, but the term is commonly associated with the Black Bloc because they also tends to share terminological lingo.

Black Bloc groups are almost always nonhierarchically organized. So the people who are part of them tend also to be anarchists. Here, "anarchist" doesn't mean someone who believes in chaos. Rather, it means someone who believes the world will be more orderly and functional without central, top-down control. They prefer round table organization to hierarchies. They do believe in public goods, just not top-down control.

Black Bloc organizations are small. In the first place, anarchists are not common in the US. In the second place, it takes a lot of guts to show up at a protest with the express intention of putting yourself between nazis and protesters or between police and protesters. For this reason, it's basically impossible that they are responsible for the things some media orgs and accuse them of.

Everything else you've heard is pretty much invented. They don't have funding and don't need funding. For what? So they can buy black clothes and facemasks and take the bus down to the protest in the city where they live? Do they need money so they can meet in the local library and talk about self defense tactics? There are so many misconceptions and outright lies repeated about Antifa it is mindboggling and actually pretty hilarious when it comes to people who have actually met some of them.

[Blastolabs]

I will agree with Maunagarjana. I know many of these types of people that get called Antifa and they are not organized in any real sense of the world and simply want to make the world a better place, although there tactics can be questionable. The "patriots" and antifa really want the exact same thing and our rulers do a damn good job of dividing them into two groups extremely well unfortunately.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

CA High School Teacher Admits Communist Indoctrination of Students: 'Turn Them into Revolutionaries’

BY PROJECT VERITAS AUG 31ST 2021

This guy is a teacher and is indoctrinating schoolkids with his stupid, toxic Antifa rhetoric. The pictures on the wall of his classroom include the Antifa Flag, the obligatory pride flag, and Chairman Mao - and no American Flag.

He admits he is as far left as you can go – but he's so far left, he's far-right, and has become a fascist. He even has Ingsoc (from 1984) tattooed on his arm!

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