All Lives Matter

[Bill Ryan]

Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

That's a very, very incomplete list. All Lives Matter — and I will put that in Title Case. it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.

[Bill Ryan]

All lives do matter. Including black lives, which have not mattered, ever, in American history and maybe since the dawn of the rise of the West and the ascendancy of European interpretations of the Cosmos to the top of the Pyramid.

Yes, absolutely.

But neither have Native American lives mattered (whose story has been every bit as appalling and tragic as those of many American blacks throughout history). And let's include Aborigine lives, as well. (I'd love to hear some Australians here on this thread. South Africans, too.)

Blacks have been treated unimaginably badly. But not more badly than many other groups you or I can easily name.

Going back in time, in the context of the "rise of the west" (meaning, those of European descent) how about the Mayans, the Aztecs and the Incas, who were slaughtered mercilessly in their millions?

There's been a lot of genocide in history, even recent history. The current US issue has been politicized, exploited, and to quite some degree has now become irrational. It's been suggested that "Black Lives Matter" is now a de facto political party. Go figure.

It'd have been reassuring to see BLM activists making at least some kind of acknowledgment of the plights of so many other disempowered, abused and suppressed people in the world. That would show real humanity, and a commendably broad awareness, on their part. In the absence of anything remotely like that to my knowledge, they do themselves no favors.

Dare I say it, it borders on supremacist arrogance (I use those strong words deliberately) for their leaders to suggest that their cause is more important than that of any other significantly abused groups. This is one of the many, many things that's way out of balance here.

My personal position (if it's not already clear!): I grew up in West Africa, as many know. I've returned to Africa many times. I love the African people. I have Africa in my blood. But the politicized and militant BLM movement I find abhorrent and deeply disturbing. There's something bady, badly, badly wrong here.

[Mike]

There was a time when the phrase all lives matter really grated on me.

I felt I understood what the spirit behind black lives matter was, at its best, and generally felt any opposition to it was in bad taste.

Now I feel a little different.

The usual rebuttal to all lives matter is the following: "it's not about you. stop making this about you". ..with the first statement uttered by a white person generally and the second a black person.

Well, if police forces are being defunded and even disbanded altogether, it is about me. Now my life is being endangered by this push to make the country less safe.

With all this fetishizing shame, virtue signalling, emotional hysteria, political opportunism and so forth, it's hard to tell who is who and what is what anymore. I know what the BLM website says about some of its aims, and they disturb me (redistributive policies, de-funding police etc). But I'm also aware of the spirit it was created in, or the spirit I like to think it was created in, and I can't always reconcile the 2. Nor can I differentiate between all those who are genuinely trying to help under the BLM banner and those who are trying to merely agitate. So I remain conflicted.

This video by the brilliant Eric Weinstein belongs in this thread. He sums it all up beautifully:
PfAumoTIeik

[Tigger]

But the politicized and militant BLM movement I find abhorrent and deeply disturbing. There's something bady, badly, badly wrong here.

I couldn't agree with this sentiment more. Something is seriously out of place.

[Tintin]

(Brief mention here on the aborigine peoples. Highly recommended is John Pilger's film Utopia made I think in 2013 and I'm putting that in the library now in the John Pilger folder there - give it 10 mins or so from this posting to appear. Direct link to that JP folder is here. (http://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=John_Pilger))

:focus: and discussion :flower:

[DeDukshyn]

I was pointing out something on facebook to a friend the other day and I'll share it here as well.

We all have to be careful that we don't start treating any one race as more deserving of special treatment than any other, to try to "make up" for the sins of the past. I see some of this seems to be occurring / it has probability to occur. Treating races unequally, not matter what the "reasoning", is a racist act.

[Agape]

It’s what needs to be repeated again and again in resounding voice of the Universe. Your life matters. All lives matter.

“If you save even one Life you’ve saved the world entire”.


Some people miss the point of getting to understand, listen, empathize with other human beings is important. Saving your old mothers, sisters and forgotten sons is important. It’s where the good example starts.

Don’t be afraid or ashamed to save your friends day and life if you can. In old times we always did it and it wasn’t considered so “exceptional”.

Some people want to help so called “everybody”, Native Americans and Tibetans or the lost tribes of Amazon and I say, thanks for them, they are generally good people.

Tho before you can help someone you need to understand them better, make friends.


If you get to hospital in critical state, your life is in hands of kind hearted doctors and nurses and they will always try to save you.

Be careful with those who define themselves as killers, predators and takers of life.
The energy is around and it is very real.
It is now being “controlled” by a coverup structure of modern law, psychology and prison systems.

Them too need to be helped and treated better, in life.


I wish there is bigger opening and greater Freedom achieved, manifested through and by people of this Planet. Not more controls


More freedom and more happiness. So keep saving lives


🙏🌟🕊

[Agape]

If you put All Lives Matter , just that as a slogan on posters and surround your presidential palaces it would be a Timeless Moment.

🙏🌟🙏

[rgray222]

Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

That's a very, very incomplete list. All Lives Matter — and I will put that in Title Case. it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.

Bill, I am not prepared to comment on this post because I am still trying to process the entire BLM movement. My purpose for posting here is twofold.

To thank you for taking on this issue in an open way, it deserves discussion and intelligent comments from people on both sides of this issue.
To be perfectly honest my reluctance (rightly or wrongly) stems from the fact that I have seen others in the media making this identical comment and they have been tagged as racist at worst and insensitive at best.

I am convinced that the people saying we need a conversation about race are the ones that refuse to have it. They are the ones shouting racist the loudest. Screaming racism at every turn stops all conversation and we end up in a stalemate. There is one thing I am certain about and that is we cannot stop the dialogue.

[AutumnW]

Of course all lives matter. And reforming the judicial and penitentary system in the U.S., which impacts poor blacks (and poor whites but not to the same degree) more than any other demographic, is a good place to start.

Americans can't do much about most of the others on that list, but they can, through protests, general strikes and other peaceful actions help those in their own country. Those who want to help Native Americans can possibly do volunteer work. The Hopi nation, in Arizona, currently need food and other donations, if I'm not mistaken.

The way to help those suffering from domestic abuse is to pressure the judiciary to pull women out of prisons who killed their partners in self defense, even if no iron clad proof exists that that is the case. As long as there was a strong circumstantial case to be made, that's all it should take.

In Canada we have miles and miles to go to redress all the crap we have put our indigenous population through. They are still being abused.

[shaberon]

Dare I say it, it borders on supremacist arrogance (I use those strong words deliberately) for their leaders to suggest that their cause is more important than that of any other significantly abused groups. This is one of the many, many things that's way out of balance here.

My personal position (if it's not already clear!): I grew up in West Africa, as many know. I've returned to Africa many times. I love the African people. I have Africa in my blood. But the politicized and militant BLM movement I find abhorrent and deeply disturbing. There's something bady, badly, badly wrong here.

That is interesting. After "Roots" came out, I understand that black Americans were still without roots--Africans thought "Why are you coming over here calling me brother? I'm not your brother."

Most of the millions displaced from Africa were done so by dominant black tribes--and so, like most of the white people that came to America, they were generally losers. Is not the word "slave" derived from "Slav", as Latins and Germanics thought all Slavs should be slaves?

When I look at my heritage, it is ages of white on white violence. We can see that officially, the English government aimed enslavement at the Irish. Outside of government, the private Irish citizens--if you were Protestant, do you know what they did? They like to take a young mother and her baby to a frozen lake, and then "crew" the baby out to the middle in the thin ice. Well, what happens. Momma runs out like a rabid dog and is too heavy and breaks the ice, both hypothermalate immediately and then perish. And that's just because of how you pray. Supremacism, racism, whatever, any excuse works, This is coming off the Siege of Derry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry):

The city had endured 105 days of siege, from 18 April to 1 August 1689. Some 4,000 of its population of 8,000 are said to have died during this siege.

Not even carpet bombing by B-52s has achieved a 50% civilian kill ratio (only 30% of the entire N. Korean population was eliminated).

Aztecs killed many Aztecs and other neighbors. I had one of the first records ever made, which was an Eskimo song that says "I have killed many Siberians". There are only a few examples of indigineous people who did not kill anyone who looks like them, or anyone who looks different.

Even though there is such a thing as white against black racism, it is relatively small compared to white on white or black on black crime; and if there is such a thing as a white racist who "only" dislikes black people, I would be surprised. Again, comparatively, I could not even join white supremacy since I have 1/64 Cherokee, even though this is actually common, and nowhere near enough for a tribe to pay any attention to you. Probably not enough for a black racist to consider me non-white either.

All lives matter, sadly I cannot reach them all, but, if you go down, I don't care what you look like, if you are being assaulted by someone stronger, I will help you.

Brutality is everywhere, whether police or civilian, and since we can see that civilians can easily dislodge a police force, I'm sticking with "civilians are way more dangerous". Despite having a large knowledge base of police actions, I do not, in memory, have so much as an injury there. It is possible for them to investigate and make arrests without undue force. Conversely, every single problem I have ever had, has been forked over by a civilian.

So the lack of a uniform and ownership of an opinion is not getting me on anyone's side--I believe that you should not be crushed by institutions, but, that is because the institutions suck, not because the things people think and say are inspiring. If all those foofy signs were re-written as "Illiterate, Need Education", I might sympathize. Everyone apparently is institutionalized. This does not mean "committed to a mental institution", but, one who knows how to depend on an institution. Like when you commit crimes for the purpose of going to jail. Or have children for a higher welfare payment. Or if you just work a regular job in such an institution.

Aside from racism and violence and whatnot, I am very, very leery of the institution or the system taking this all very seriously so they will know how to "sell you what you want". That is exactly what they will do. Give you something for temporary appeasal while the real counterfeit keeps running. Allegedly fake a $20, and you might wind up dead; forge an entire economy, you are an expert. Whether they need to dish out Cauliflower Meat or put more token black people in office, does not matter, much, anything can be done as long as the wizard stays at the keys of the machine.

[Sue (Ayt)]

it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.

I agree, and I refuse to be shamed for this sentiment.
It saddens me deeply to see this innate truth being systematically equated with racism and shame lately. (just google "All Lives Matter" and see.)
I honestly believe that embracing this sentiment, together, is our one unifying lifeline.

[Gemma13]

If you put All Lives Matter , just that as a slogan on posters and surround your presidential palaces it would be a Timeless Moment.

🙏🌟🙏

Couldn't agree more with this statement. And for the life of me I don't get how we haven't seen it yet. Especially with all countries joining in the protest marches.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wonder if it will still be alright to state all nations matter because where this is leading is to a one world government.

Now, I don't know, but I wonder how other worlds with sentient life made the leap to a type 1 civilization. Did they go through the same process? Did they have out groups that had to be brought into the fold? Did they first form a one world government? Or did they use their national resources to vie for supremacy in space and then came together? Or did they never come together and several space faring nations sprung forth at once?

The necessity to join forces might be deferred for a time, but if a world makes it to a type 2 civilization then I think it would take the resources of an entire world to tame the solar system - but it might not be so.


Also, this world matters, our sun matters, matter matters. Maybe even truth matters still to some.

One final thing: one of my books is titled Life Matters. Maybe I should re title it All Life Matters!

[Mark]

You set me up Bill. Please include my entire comment.

Everybody knows all lives matter. In this venue it can probably be said with a greater understanding.

But across the general public it is a discussion.

Which is the point.

And you should know that.

Because a LOT of people in America and across the world do NOT believe that Black Lives Matter.

And so it has to be discussed. There is so much miseducation and lack of simple historical knowledge out there. Almost a hidden history.

So Black Lives Matter is about education at heart. All of this militarization is coming from beyond most black people and even the white people who are involved. Everybody wants to see a better world.

Only some want to use these slogans to cause harm. And that is shameful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGETF3MO3pQ

[Chester]

Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

That's a very, very incomplete list. All Lives Matter — and I will put that in Title Case. it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.

In the US right now, if you say that or write that anywhere [all lives matter], you risk all sorts of experiences you likely prefer to avoid.

There's a segment of the US population that has truly lost sight of the most basic expression of being - respect for each other as individuals, as conscious beings... and it has absolutely nothing to do with things like "skin color" or that you be some identifiable group that is oppressed.

If you wish to understand one good reason why I say this - go here (members only) -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1360413&viewfull=1#post1360413

There are members here who have accessed this post who, I would think, had to have read this OP and who didn't thank it. Mind blowing.

[Orph]

There are members here who have accessed this post who, I would think, had to have read this OP and who didn't thank it. Mind blowing.Let's not get too absorbed into this "thanking" mind-set. Somewhere there is an entire discussion/thread about the use of this "thanks" icon. If nobody has thanked your thread (yet), so what? ........... pffffffffffft....... Moving along.

As an aside, I can't access those types of videos without screwing up my computer anyway.
:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

I’ve been trying to understand the viewpoints here and I’ve been having some serious issues doing so.

If there was a movement, an uprising, in Myanmar by the Rohingya people protesting their treatment by police and military forces, and using the term “Rohingya Lives Matter!” would you interject and complain that they were being used by TPTB to divert attention away from, say, the Babylonian Money Magic System under which we are all enslaved?

When the Palestinians are protesting their mistreatment and marginalization by the Israeli military, do you jump in waving you’re hands and shouting, say “Hey, many of these military folks are actually good people (which I’m sure they are) and what about the Uighur’s in China”?

Or if the Uighur’s were holding up signs “Uighur Lives Matter!” would you complain that, “Hey, many of the Han Chinese majority are good people, give them a break! This whole Uighur thing is just to distract you from the fact that there is a New World Order Agenda afoot”?

Yes, of course All Lives Matter. But do we insist on drowning out the narrative that Black Lives Matter and call it a psyop by TPTB, ignore their systematic oppression by the white majority in the U. S. because, admitting the Black Lives Matter movement is justified means you are bowing to TPTB? Where does that get us? Attempting to castrate the Black Lives Movement will get us where exactly?

I’m honestly asking this because I’ve been distressed by this uprising against a movement which is in search of fairer treatment for Black people in the U.S. and world in general. And yes, of course I realize that the movement has been infiltrated by bad actors on the left and right, but so have all worthwhile efforts that are a potential threat to TPTB.

I believe that Black Lives Matter is an important step in a journey forward in recognition that Tibetan Lives Matter, Uighur Lives Matter, Rohingya Lives Matter, Palestinian Lives Matter, Native American Lives Matter, that ALL Lives Matter. But if you are insisting that this first step, Black Lives Matter, is just a psyop, well, what then?Ken, I greatly appreciate your post (which was on the George Floyd thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111084-The-murder-of-George-Floyd-in-police-hands-Minneapolis-25-May-2020)), all your viewpoints and perspectives, and I love and respect you like a brother. :heart:

But BLM is now being adopted into part of the NWO agenda. That's the problem. There's a vast amount of media-driven emotional manipulation taking place.

Do we see anyone talking about this nowadays? (It's not ancient history. This happened in 1890.)


The Massacre at Wounded Knee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre)

Of course not. The reasons are:


It's not politically expedient.
It's no longer got enough emotional leverage to be useful as a trigger for change.
Not enough people can be made to care. Whoever's directing the media knows this, so they don't even try to mention it.
Native Americans leaders are (on the whole) non-militant and fairly spiritually oriented — as best I know. Assuming this is correct, this is greatly to their credit, but in today's news-cycle-driven world of orchestrated public opinion, this means their causes stay largely ignored. It's all yesterday's news. Not today's.

I'll say this purposefully strongly. Anyone who thinks that Black lives in America are more important, more newsworthy, or a more justified cause for close examination and societal change than Native American lives, doesn't know a thing about American history.

And I'll say this strongly, too, but I do genuinely understand that not all Americans can see this. America doesn't have a great history. It has a shameful history. And it's not a great nation. It's a shameful nation. For MANY reasons, not just a few that fit neatly into current media purposes.

http://projectavalon.net/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee.pdf

I'll say more about the Australian Aborigines later, so as not to dilute this post. But some of the Australians reading this might possibly care to comment.

[Tintin]

“Defund the thought police.”.

So wrote Candace Owens in a recent tweet.

As I sit here quietly raging at the racism inherent in the phrase “white privilege” – having come from a single parent upbringing, experienced near homelessness and a material struggle that many of my ‘white’ peers at the time didn’t I can tell you there is nothing privileged about it.

But I’ll share with you what a privilege IS: it’s being alive, that’s a privilege. And it comes with a responsibility.

And it matters, as Bill’s opening missive attests – ALL LIVES MATTER. As a measure in the very least of some commitment to humanity and your place in it this time around damn well stop being ‘activated’.

You aren't a landmine, you're a human being.

As I seethe at the patronising sloganeering of “Silence in violence” and listen to those that promulgate such absurdity being played like an old violin, again. (And we know what a violin played badly looks and sounds like, or at least my family did as I was growing up - Stradivarius rolls in his casket.)

And fall for this same tired tune in perpetuity. And silence and deep thought right now is what everyone should really crave.

But, no.

Placards for retards. Tropes for dopes and still they aren’t sated. Bloated on the gluttony of their own righteousness.

Toppling monuments that should remain as a reminder of an unsavoury past. What next? Destroying the Giza complex when it may be discovered that nefarious entities in antiquity played us around that time as well, as they are doing right now, too?

You going to destroy the Great Pyramids, too, moron?

Frenzied imbeciles, of all colours it seems. And shame and embarrassment remains an alien concept, at least today. Tomorrow will bring a salutary, humbling reminder, when the dust clears.

Ignominy locked in a passionate embrace with ignorance.

Not a pretty colour. But it seems to be what everybody wants.

So, George Floyd appears in a snuff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film) movie. He happens to be black. Meanwhile in another far off place a CCTV catches the sight of a young Palestinian man suffering a similar fate; in another young women, children, men in a real civil war turn against each other, run from each other – all the same colour – but it may as well be happening on another planet.

And America burns.

Perhaps it should.

Perhaps it deserves to.

Perhaps it needs to.

To clear out the dead wood and begin a process of renewal.

Protest if you must but do it with some elan, and intelligently, and in a way that might transcend whatever you think protest even means. At what point during a protest do you need to overturn an ambulance? At what point do you drag a truck driver from his truck and exhort to 'kill him'? At what point do you decide during a protest that “Oh, I need some new sneakers. And how about a new telly.”

Mahatma Gandhi went on a Salt March (https://www.history.com/topics/india/salt-march#:~:text=The%20Salt%20March%2C%20which%20took,distance%20of%20some%20240%20miles.) - more of a peaceful walk really - from one end of a continent to another, while this generation walks from one end of a street to another wantonly destroying everything in its path; cheerfully goosesteps its way to a neurocidal oblivion; virtue signals its way to extinction (how vapid that rebellion seems now) in a virtual world, of someone else’s design; true respect for oneself and others being rent to ashes on the bonfires of their own vanity. To satisfy the nihilistic and narcissistic whims of their owners and to have abandoned their own sovereignty, self respect and dignity to those devious marionettists.

There is a war in heaven and Hera drops her mirror in the hope that someone will find it and may pay attention to its contents.

And I did.

Quiescence meets quintessence in that reflection, locked in a passionate embrace.

And I like the colour of that.

It’s polychrome.

[norman]

Until we get the crooks off our backs, none of these other things will amount to anything more than politically correct victimhood.

Pragmatics, pragmatics, pragmatics. We are where we are, and right now it's the last straight into the US election 2020. 'Left' and 'right' are guarding that gate.

All notions that we are going to have to live with the crooks because they are some kind of cosmic sanctioned overlords are foolish and fake and really part of the problem.

It's the crooks or us. They have made that plain enough.

Stop playing by their cunning rules of thought, and put an end to them.

[AutumnW]

Bill, Then "New World Order" has been in place for decades now. It's the unipolar militarized U.S and its sphere of influence. Call it the Anglo American empire, currently held in place by neo-conservative military and neo-liberal economic policy. Jobs outsourced to China (after being outsourced to Mexico,) created a mass of illegal immigration into the U.S, destroyed our manufacturing base (Detroit) while gutted the steel belt.

These actions created a huge underclass and established a NWO.

Now here is where we totally differ in our opinions, I will bet you -- and I have banged on about this so much it's wearing me out. Once ties with China are broken, economically, most of the slack is going to be taken up by India. The jobs that do drift back to the U.S. will be automated. The manufacturing jobs will be done in the private prison system.

Is anybody following this system? I've been tracking it. It's happening, has happened and its being ramped up. Those who think the U.S is actually becoming more 'nationalistic', in a positive sense are wrong. And, 'black lives matter,' is not part of a world wide NWO drive, imho. It is working counter to that. I believe it was the treatment of blacks and the underclass in Ferguson, Missouri, excessive fines and incarceration that touched off that movement. If all lives matter, as so many white people blithely toss off, then please look into this issue. That's all anybody can ask.

Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?

In Canada most of the Indian population is on reserves right out of the mainstream, or they have assimilated....on the West Coast. The rest of Canada is a different story and your sentiments about them, are bang on, particularly for Canada.

[AutumnW]

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Chris Hedges is amazing and Jimmy Dore is both funny and takes the P*** out of neo-liberals and neo-cons. He's someone who believes deep into his core that ALL lives matter. He also understands that in order to make manifest the idea the all lives matter, we have to understand the specifics of those living very different lives than our own, and how that can be completely obscured by nearly ALL media.

[Deneon]

All Lives Matter, for sure. In a perfect world, where there's no racism and injustice, that would be all we need. Nobody will disagree with the statement that all lives matter. In practice though, there are differences in how people are being treated. Some based on race, some on nationality, some on religion.

However, this isn't a perfect world. It is necessary to focus our attention on parts of the largest issue. The death of George Floyd has focused our attention on the treatment of black people by the american justice system. Why is it wrong to focus on that small part of the larger major problem? Nobody thinks black lives matter *more* than other lives. It's just what we are focusing on right now. Saying #AllLivesMatter in response to these Black Lives Matter invalidates and undermines the importance of these protests. There's nothing wrong with supporting AllLivesMatter, but in my opinion there is something wrong with it if you choose to come out and say it *now*, during the BLM protests.

The fact that, as Bill says, this is being used by the NWO, right, left or whoever for their own good, is something we have to deal with. But it shouldn't be a factor in supporting the #BLM protests. Every single event will be used to further someone's agenda. If we stop supporting anything that will be used to further the elites agendas, we may as well just sit in a corner and stop doing anything.

A fundraiser for cancer is fine to support, and it doesn't mean you think all other diseases are unimportant. A rally to #savetherainforest is fine to support and it won't mean that all forests can go to hell. Obviously we should protect all dangerous animals in the world, but sometimes it's ok to focus the people's attention on the dangerously low numbers of tigers in the wild. Doesn't mean you think we should kill of all the sharks and whales. And finally: supporting #blacklivesmatter is fine, and it doesn't mean you think native indians have been treated properly in the past, or that they don't deserve our attention as well.

TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.

[Bill Ryan]

TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.Yes. :thumbsup: But the difference is that we're not singling this out. It's being singled out for us by the media all over the world.

[Gemma13]

Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?


This docoumentary provides good coverage of the U.S. prison system entrapment and how its inception came from Bill Clinton's policies. There's obvious cherrypicking and bias but the prison coverage was well presented I thought.

The Clintons have since "apologized" and claimed responsibility but its not enough and the interviewed don't think so either.

What bothered me though was the promotion of Obama as a good guy. But why didn't he do something about these horrors in his 8 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8

[AutumnW]

Thanks Gemma,

Here is more from a 2008 Global Research article. The situation improved a little under Obama, but has reverted back under Trump.

Thanks to prison labor, the United States is once again an attractive location for investment in work that was designed for Third World labor markets. A company that operated a maquiladora (assembly plant in Mexico near the border) closed down its operations there and relocated to San Quentin State Prison in California. In Texas, a factory fired its 150 workers and contracted the services of prisoner-workers from the private Lockhart Texas prison, where circuit boards are assembled for companies like IBM and Compaq.

[Former] Oregon State Representative Kevin Mannix recently urged Nike to cut its production in Indonesia and bring it to his state, telling the shoe manufacturer that “there won’t be any transportation costs; we’re offering you competitive prison labor (here).”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

[Kryztian]

If Trump wanted to do something in response to the nation wide protests, he could start asking judges to review the sentences they issued under mandatory sentencing laws and create a list of people who were sentenced to severely, review the cases and issue thousands of pardons and commutations. It would be way out of character for him but I don't think it would be terribly unpopular.

[Mike]

TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.Yes. :thumbsup: But the difference is that we're not singling this out. It's being singled out for us by the media all over the world.



Also, how many parts do you single out? And how do you rank and file them all? Because, as we've seen with LGBTQ etc, those groups can be divided up in almost endless ways. And then, who gets precedence? How do we decide which group has been oppressed the most? How do we achieve "equity" for the endless list of groups? Equity = Equality of Outcome. How can we possibly provide equal outcomes for all the alleged oppressed groups?

This is what identity politics attempts to do - encourage us all to see the world as oppressor vs oppressed, the only variable in play being power. Notions of hard work, personal responsibility, and competence are tossed out the window. It all gets reduced to the asinine: If you're doing well it's because of your privilege, nothing else; if I'm doing poorly it's because I'm oppressed, nothing else.

It's an absolutely pathological way to see the world.

Also, when you keep dividing the world up into micro units of "oppressed" groups, it's inevitable that many of those groups will begin to view the other groups as "oppressors". (i.e. you may be gay and female, but I'm gay and female and black!). It's why I keep saying that the left will eventually eat itself. It's happening already, just in a slightly different way: L.A. gay pride parade organizers are being lambasted by BLM'ers for applying for a permit with the L.A. police department (How dare you work with those evil police?). They've now relinquished their space and time to the BLM movement; oh, after a formal apology for their inherent racism and privilege first, of course

[Dorjezigzag]

How Anti Racism Hurts Black People- John McWhorter

This video made before recent events is even more prescient today

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[rgray222]

=Mike;1360505]

This is what identity politics attempts to do - encourage us all to see the world as oppressor vs oppressed

It's an absolutely pathological way to see the world.



The media and politicians have been labeling people for decades. We are now seeing people define themselves by these labels. When people identify by race, wealth, gender, age, or even sexual preference this becomes extremely problematic for society. Instead of focusing on the betterment of the larger society people tend to fight for and defend their tribe.

Tribal fighting is inevitable and probably the worse sort of division a country or the world can experience. I am convinced that the labeling has achieved its desired effect and it is intentional misdirection. Together we are strong, together we look out for each other, divided we are weak, divided we fight amongst ourselves, divided we are distracted from our real purpose.

[enfoldedblue]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

[Dorjezigzag]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood

[norman]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.


You are making points I agree with. I'm glad people are having to chew on this blind racism thing.


We DO need to sort all these things out, but can we please get out of the middle of the road to talk about them, there is a huge truck coming. If it runs over us, and it will if we don't stop this luxurious academic idiocy, there will be nothing left to discuss at all.

[enfoldedblue]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood

Interesting that you are more concerned with defending the legal system than trying to understand why this is the case (though I would be interested to know where you get your statistics). Are you aware of ancestral trauma? Trauma that is genetically encoded and passed down through generations. Can you imagine the trauma of having your children forcibly taken from you, of having communities savagely massacred. Of being forced fit into a system that doesn't fit. I mean seriously I could go on and on about the incredible suffering the indigenous communities here in Australia have endured since Colonization. Is it really any wonder why people carrying so much complex trauma don't 'fit nicely' into a deeply racist and unjust system a that they never asked to be part of? And is it fair to just expect them to fix themselves?

[Agape]

I wonder if it will still be alright to state all nations matter because where this is leading is to a one world government.

Now, I don't know, but I wonder how other worlds with sentient life made the leap to a type 1 civilization. Did they go through the same process? Did they have out groups that had to be brought into the fold? Did they first form a one world government? Or did they use their national resources to vie for supremacy in space and then came together? Or did they never come together and several space faring nations sprung forth at once?

The necessity to join forces might be deferred for a time, but if a world makes it to a type 2 civilization then I think it would take the resources of an entire world to tame the solar system - but it might not be so.


Also, this world matters, our sun matters, matter matters. Maybe even truth matters still to some.

One final thing: one of my books is titled Life Matters. Maybe I should re title it All Life Matters!



I think it all depends on what kind of planet do you find yourself on. Could be far more simple than it is here, to start with. A planet supporting advanced life without the constant threat and hackle :)
Like you just said: the Sun matters. Crude oil matters. Even sugar cane matters. Most of the human civilisation somehow grew up on sugar. Everything is interconnected. Don’t touch the cookie jar too often.

This planet is natural miracle evolving so many forms of life at once. It’s a nursery really. Full of temptation for “adults”. “Taste this plant, test that creature, you may get unique experience”. But we do have to teach our children not to do that because it’s risky.

It’s a wonderful world with multiplicity of options. It’s never going to be “perfectly safe” for us unless it all would be “terraformed” and under control which is the ultimate goal of the NWO anyway.


Humans became very much a part of the ecosystem with all it has given and taken from them. They learned and acquired the feeling for here. That’s how they’re now victim of their own cultivation efforts too.

It’s not natural to control your own kind that much. It’s not who we are, what we need or who we are meant to be.

Forgive me if I say this aloud but this Planet with its abundance of Life will keep winning over us for quite a bit yet.
How long is it going to take before people reconcile with differences and embrace their own kind( the human race) in Spirit of Universal brotherhood I don’t know but till it comes there will be only few of us/them left and we will be( sounds better than “they will be”) bunch of renegades, worn and thorn out and poor group of survivors rather than well brushed group of elitists and politicians.

I can’t see it’s any soon because the rest of people have to fight and wipe out each other in their endless wars before we get there.

It’s really not any soon from where I can see now.But it is the inevitable evolutionary future. Takes us right to the beginning of Civilization type 1 and being able to utilize “the best of planetary resources” right after utilizing the best of our intelligence and character. I think your academic was little off and flying to abstracts on that assessment. The criterium should read “the best of”, not “all of”.

Intelligent life does not need to consume all of its environment and resources. It merely needs to make use of the best way available with it.

If he was right then no higher Life than one of predatorship and consumption would flourish in the Greater Space
and no one would ultimately enjoy being alive by the nature of Life itself, there would be no spiritual entities and no enlightenment but civilisations trapped in endless dependency and consumption.

I merely attest it isn’t that way in the greater Universe.

Most probably, Kardashev and most of his followers and current astrophysicists alike were staunch atheists, hard core skeptics and converted “humans” who just passed the labels on and on.

I find it’s extremely difficult for most modern people to think out of the boxes and labels they are so proud of and that they grew up with, extremely difficult to come to touch with their “naked self”.
So shameful really that those people feel restricted from accessing it even, most seem to have lost the best of their intuition and direct insight, replacing it by instinctive fear and endless self analysis and eternal speculation about “who are the other people”.

Like children who have been preprogrammed to ask those questions they’re still seated at their grade 1 books of British English conversation, repeating “hello, I’m “name”, who are you?”

That’s when I started noticing the massive retardation, degeneration of human intelligence everywhere around us. Even as a child I’ve noticed that. They never move on.

They’ll just die for those labels or wait till they can get better ones.

I know till I get to understand all that’s going on “here”, on this planet, the human situations past, presence and future, my lifetime will be about over.
So trying to speed up.

🙏🌟🙏

No “black and white thinking” is not advanced thinking. That’s where every political thinking and efforts to simplify and label human existence or bring it “under control” is dehumanizing, humiliating and damaging the nature of human Mind/Spirit whatever name you give it.

It’s an offense of character to call people “white”, “black” and any other label unless they chose to define themselves thus in the first place.

No one has the right to call you by labels they’ve invented unless they intend to offend.

And they should stop doing that to each other and be contended in their own silent
Space for once, and before they ever open their mouth again to express the next “genial ideal” they should think I’m doing that like a little baby crying mama but I really want to sound smart.

It takes lifetime to bring people to the “contended silent space” of greater understanding and intelligence that can’t be contained in simple words and most just don’t want to go there even.

It’s how very stupid the world has become. We have killed most of the spiritual people and their wisdom because they did not “talk all the time” and could not be programmed.

Instead we have offered them the “encyclopedia of human emotions” and phraseology of thinking to com-play with, thinking yes thinking oh those quiet people need to think more everyday.

At the beginning and end, there’s silence and its full of understanding.

Very few people realize that now and how human thoughts are imperfect, fleeting and impermanent together with the languages that have ever been used. How it all is just a human “program”

Life evolves and moves forwards much faster than they imagine though.

That’s why they’re afraid of Africa or even India because the potential all these people carry in them is almost endless. It’s multidimensional, visionary and alive.


No Black&White thinking can contain us.

No “stamp”, seal or label. All politicians are meant to lose it the same way Gandhi had to lose it just for putting yourself on pedestal.
If you wanted to be the first and only one you’re meant to lose it.

Take my advice on it all you budding politicians:) it’s not for real. No one is going to feel sorry about you winning or losing the game.

[Mike]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.




You'll have to give some more specific examples of how the system favors those with white skin.

Education, here in the states, has never been easier for low income minorities. In fact, the poorer you are, the more likely you'll get all the grants and loans you need. Anyone who has ever said they can't afford college is either being willfully dense or they live in a cave.

Plus, black students for example, are often accepted into university over whites and Asians who have better grades and S.A.T. scores. Someone, somewhere, decided that there were too many Asians in university, and that needed some remedying. All in the name of inclusivity and diversity, of course. By the way, Asians are a minoritiy too here in the states; they seem to be doing just fine, thriving even. Does punishing them for that seem reasonable to you?

In 2016 a study was done at Harvard that showed no significant statistical difference regarding the use of excessive force (including officer shootings) between whites and blacks (when confronted with police).

As far as business and industry goes, there are all sorts of affirmative action policies in place here in the US, mandating that minorities either get jobs they aren't necessarily qualified for, or at the very least granted interviews they otherwise would not have gotten unless they were black or brown.

How do those things favor people with white skin? Where's the systemic injustice?

And when you use the word "equality", what exactly do you mean by that? Are you advocating for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?

[Dorjezigzag]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood

Interesting that you are more concerned with defending the legal system than trying to understand why this is the case (though I would be interested to know where you get your statistics). Are you aware of ancestral trauma? Trauma that is genetically encoded and passed down through generations. Can you imagine the trauma of having your children forcibly taken from you, of having communities savagely massacred. Of being forced fit into a system that doesn't fit. I mean seriously I could go on and on about the incredible suffering the indigenous communities here in Australia have endured since Colonization. Is it really any wonder why people carrying so much complex trauma don't 'fit nicely' into a deeply racist and unjust system a that they never asked to be part of? And is it fair to just expect them to fix themselves?

I am very concerned with why this is the case, that why I said the Elders should be working on issues why they are committing crime which does include ancestral trauma. They should be given support in working through this.

Defending a legal system, yes as things stand I do believe there should be a rule of law, without that there would be anarchy. Should those committing violent crime just be excused because of what happened to their ancestors? Perhaps we should extend that right to the Jews because of the holocaust they endured.

I did say the cannabis statistics should be looked into but I offered explanations in why this could be the case. Every opportunity should be made to correct injustice with law.

The legal system is subject to the rule of law as well and it is an offence to racially police. Of course, there will be offenders, like most crime there are also people that get away with it.

Can you please point out how the Australian legal system is racist? What laws Aboriginals are subject to that non-indigenous are not? The legal system is far from perfect, but the aboriginals live under the same laws as the non-indigeneous.

I too wish we could live in a golden age where there is no need for law but as things stand that seems a long way off.

Here's the link, genuinely interested in the source of the cannabis link as well.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-08/aboriginal-people-20-times-more-likely-to-commit/2602494

[Agape]

“Black lives matter” is just a faint warning as I see it,
and no this isn’t an opinion, I see things, as they are.
Really weak and faint reminder of what’s to come yet and what the NWO fear the most,
people waking up and taking all that “program” down, with all it entails.
If it’s the Africans who will take it down one day so be it.
They have the power there before they too get wiped out and programmed.

Law system? What “law system” protects you better than your own consciousness and conscience ? None. But you were taught not to respect your own conscience but you were taught to follow “the program”.
So people get killed heedlessly, without giving it second thought even under the auspicious of the program.

Law system protecting us from whom? The people living around us, we are meant to fear?

Before it came in, people lived without locks on their doors. They had self respect and respect for each other if they called themselves “civilized”.

What kind of respect does your program offer to any of us?

Respect for a label ?

How comes that scholars and all forms of education based in natural capacity to study, from one person to another thrived through out human history within all cultures, without any such “program”?

How comes that todays children growing up in these “peak of generation systems” are bored to death by schools, overwhelmed by being co-educated so many give up and opt out because can’t keep the pace ? How comes that a quality of modern aspirant for scholarship is only assessed by your capacity to compete and cope with program?

The program that became the “god” of todays civilized world invented by ..white man.

Can you see any other option ? After the “program” took over in China and most of the Northern hemisphere anyway, with few remaining islands of sanity,
where is the place for human dignity and knowing ?

The dignity and knowing of programmed donkey ?

Todays medical professionals( and about everyone else) are the best examples of how much potential have we lost really. The ability to “see” and “know” directly was labeled non existent and illegal. Simply, follow the guidelines. Don’t try to cure the patient. You may be called guilty for not following the guidelines.

Who, in this difficult human future will save you for “being white” and else? If they do they’ll have to be rather kind hearted and compassionate people.

Because it’s “your label” of being the confused white man you’ve cast upon yourself and the whole human race.

You’ve lied to yourself about how the other cultures and people were more stupid before you came in.
India with its ancient Sanskrit heritage and educated history of thousands of years is a good example how it was done. Keep people starved and dominated for two hundred years they’ll grow too weak to defend themselves.
All you taught them was fear. Yes Sir, no Madam.
No Indian scholar would ever have decent discussion with you. Endless humiliation taking place, destruction and suppression of existing culture.
After you brought all these people down to their knees so they’re laughable stock you throw them, mercifully your latest program option.
They still better “catch up” rather fast. It’s not a biggie. It’s not that it had to be that way.

The same may be true for Africa. I don’t believe that all those people are brain dead.


But there’s something you forget about it and yourself and that’s how everything is short lived here and the things that matter to you are as insignificant as game of chicken. Trapped in the game, what matters the most to some of the todays people ? Some kind of new label ?

Label instead of love for learning, label cloth instead of loving the work you wanted to do, wives and children “with labels”, also?

Naturally, this all is very short sighted and short lived. Much of today’s generation don’t even remember life before computers.
If you took most of it away from them how much do they really know ?
Can they communicate beyond “google translate”?

What are their dreams about everyday? Finding a “safe place in the system”?

The program is short lived like any milestone in human history and will be taken down someday by future humans as well.

No, not now or in the US. Somewhere, somehow.


Because no amount of humiliation and suppression is endless, it just keeps building you know. We can contain it almost indefinitely to entertain the quirks of the “white man”.
But one day someone smarter will grow up and get up to their full capacity and say stop. We are not criminals, we are not slaves and subjects of pathological analysis, we are far better and more powerful than that.


And I think it’s what the PTB/NWO fear the most.



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[Gemma13]

Just saw this so don't know if validated yet. But if it is this is what is insulting to the serious cause of black lives matter.

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[lunaflare]

A truly wise indigenous elder may agree with the title of this thread.
Such an elder, with consciousnes so refined, may well understand that nothing is separate; that we are spirit in matter, part of the same wave of infinite intelligence.

This wise elder has awoken to the illusion of separation; this game that plays out--in one form or another-- over and over on planet earth. If we so choose.
S/he would not be in judgement of others: those who riot, murder, steal, play victim, play oppressor, climb the ladder, seek more power. The karmic wheel, like planet earth, is always seeking balance.

There are millions of examples, throughout history, that show human suffering--all countries, all races. There are also millions of examples that show human acts of love, care and kindness. These are the qualities that begin revolutions.

So what is my point here? Well, it seems to be a great spiritual challenge that we are facing, one that requires personal inquiry. who am I? This question goes beyond race and skin colour if any lasting change will be achieved. Do people really wish for peace and unity? Do you have a victim story? I don't have the answers, but am just posing some questions.

It's pretty fascinating that many indigenous cultures view the Pleiadian star beings as part of their ancestral line. We are all indigineous-- belonging to planet earth but also to the cosmic forces. There is a bigger wider deeper story ....always.

[samildamach]

This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood

Interesting that you are more concerned with defending the legal system than trying to understand why this is the case (though I would be interested to know where you get your statistics). Are you aware of ancestral trauma? Trauma that is genetically encoded and passed down through generations. Can you imagine the trauma of having your children forcibly taken from you, of having communities savagely massacred. Of being forced fit into a system that doesn't fit. I mean seriously I could go on and on about the incredible suffering the indigenous communities here in Australia have endured since Colonization. Is it really any wonder why people carrying so much complex trauma don't 'fit nicely' into a deeply racist and unjust system a that they never asked to be part of? And is it fair to just expect them to fix themselves?

How far would the trauma go back,all of us have suffered without exception. Iam 70% Anglo Saxon 25% germanic Swedish. We have endured the roman's, the Dane's and the French occupation.we have endured slavery,serfdom endentured slavery work houses and much much more.
Yet still I believe right now blm these things teach me empathy not hatred.
The opportunity for change is already missed,all I hear is background noise drowning out the real issues. Here in the u.k We're talking statues and history and which programs should be deleted.
Nothing to see here move along

[greybeard]

The Scottish people were the subject of abuse in all its forms.
I think every race can fairly claim that.
Chris

[boja]

43800With peaceful wishes .....

[happyuk]

Bill, Then "New World Order" has been in place for decades now. It's the unipolar militarized U.S and its sphere of influence. Call it the Anglo American empire, currently held in place by neo-conservative military and neo-liberal economic policy. Jobs outsourced to China (after being outsourced to Mexico,) created a mass of illegal immigration into the U.S, destroyed our manufacturing base (Detroit) while gutted the steel belt.

These actions created a huge underclass and established a NWO.

Now here is where we totally differ in our opinions, I will bet you -- and I have banged on about this so much it's wearing me out. Once ties with China are broken, economically, most of the slack is going to be taken up by India. The jobs that do drift back to the U.S. will be automated. The manufacturing jobs will be done in the private prison system.

Is anybody following this system? I've been tracking it. It's happening, has happened and its being ramped up. Those who think the U.S is actually becoming more 'nationalistic', in a positive sense are wrong. And, 'black lives matter,' is not part of a world wide NWO drive, imho. It is working counter to that. I believe it was the treatment of blacks and the underclass in Ferguson, Missouri, excessive fines and incarceration that touched off that movement. If all lives matter, as so many white people blithely toss off, then please look into this issue. That's all anybody can ask.

Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?

In Canada most of the Indian population is on reserves right out of the mainstream, or they have assimilated....on the West Coast. The rest of Canada is a different story and your sentiments about them, are bang on, particularly for Canada.

That's a good point who is to take up the slack after China.

But please do have a listen to Pippa Malmgren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Malmgren)'s take on this, she is of the opinion that Mexico is already becoming the new China, not India, given its still unacceptably high levels of corruption.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPI41cYXQes

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/articles/2019/02/25/a-top-economists-contrarian-view-on-china-mexico-and-trump


Malmgren’s most revealing – and disturbing – concern was about China’s social credit system. She described it as an, “Uber score for individuals based on social compliance.” Everyone in China has a score based on their behaviors. One’s score goes down, for example, if you jaywalk, leave a bicycle in a footpath or have debt. Personal scores are publicly broadcast. Your score dictates your place in society and your prospects for the future. Party members have the highest score.

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[Sarah Rainsong]

I know you weren't talking to me, but I'd like to address some of these things.


This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.




You'll have to give some more specific examples of how the system favors those with white skin.

Education, here in the states, has never been easier for low income minorities. In fact, the poorer you are, the more likely you'll get all the grants and loans you need. Anyone who has ever said they can't afford college is either being willfully dense or they live in a cave.

Actually, this is not exactly the way it works. I am speaking from direct experience here.

First, the entire navigation of the college system is put together in a way that makes it very difficult to navigate for those that have no experience with such a system. This is most people coming from low income backgrounds. They don't have a parent or anyone else experienced to help them navigate the ridiculous amount of work that needs to be done, most of which needs a computer--not a phone--to accomplish, which for many people of low income means that you need to find someone or go to the library.

The response I usually here is something along the line of--go to the library, go to the school counselor, go to the non-profit in your city. This response typically comes from the white person sitting at home behind their own computer, the person who has dealt with the college racket and understands how to navigate all the red tape. It is one more example of the hurdles that low income must overcome that others with moderate or higher incomes do not.

And loans? The cost of college is absolutely ridiculous! Sure there are some grants and state scholarships, like in Georgia, we have the HOPE scholarship. But HOPE does not cover fees or books, and the colleges have figured out that fees are another source of revenue. You can try a cheaper community college, but many areas don't have those available in commuting distances. And the idea of working your way through college disappeared a long time ago. It's not a realistic expectation.

There are exceptions. But they are truly exceptions, not to be held up as a standard.

College is a racket. The entire education system is stacked against people with low income, and that includes the majority of black Americans.

Plus, black students for example, are often accepted into university over whites and Asians who have better grades and S.A.T. scores. Someone, somewhere, decided that there were too many Asians in university, and that needed some remedying. All in the name of inclusivity and diversity, of course. By the way, Asians are a minoritiy too here in the states; they seem to be doing just fine, thriving even. Does punishing them for that seem reasonable to you?
I am acutely aware of the issues that Asians face. They certainly have their own discriminations against them! That does not negate the difficulties that blacks have. In fact, if the systemic injustices against blacks were acknowledged and addressed, then that would also help the problems that Asians face.

In 2016 a study was done at Harvard that showed no significant statistical difference regarding the use of excessive force (including officer shootings) between whites and blacks (when confronted with police).
What I know is what I see. I see police humiliating black people. I see black people refusing to call the police because they are afraid that whatever crime had been committed on them would pale in comparison to what the police would do. I see white people being given the benefit of the doubt, but black people are automatically assumed guilty. I see this in the actions of friends and families and people I've worked with. I've seen both sides. The systemic insistence of holding down black people exists. It needs to be confronted.

As far as business and industry goes, there are all sorts of affirmative action policies in place here in the US, mandating that minorities either get jobs they aren't necessarily qualified for, or at the very least granted interviews they otherwise would not have gotten unless they were black or brown. I'm not in favor of affirmative action. We need to address the systemic problems that keep people down. Affirmative action is not the answer.

How do those things favor people with white skin? Where's the systemic injustice? The difference is shown in things like when a white woman hands the cashier coupons vs when a black woman does it. It's shown when black person is stopped on a street, but a white person doing the same thing is allowed to walk by. It's shown when a group of black kids go to a park vs when a group of white kids. They may be doing the same things, but the people of color are treated differently.

Also, much of the systemic injustice is against people who don't have the money to fight it. This includes people of all colors, but the majority of blacks are low income and hence they are disproportionately affected compared to whites.

And when you use the word "equality", what exactly do you mean by that? Are you advocating for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? How about equality of treatment.

Now that I've said all that, let me be clear: The issue is not white vs black!

Neither is it any color vs another color! The problem is that a system of injustice has been set up, and it needs to be brought down.

The whole concept of All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter is a distraction, a push-back against recognizing that a problem exists.

There are entities that are trying to manipulate the dialogue. Is the answer to push back against it and go the other direction? No.

The people that are controlling the media want division. So of course the leftist Democrat agenda-driven media is going to stir things up and try to capitalize as much as they can. And the right-leaning Republican agenda-driven FOX news will push back and try to show how wrong the other side is, so they can gain power. But understand that the problem will not be solved by jumping to the other side of the conversation. On the contrary, it only perpetuates the problem.

Get off the merry-go-round, folks. Instead of engaging in a back-and-forth fight, listen to the people who have been hurt. Dialogue with them. Accept that the injustices against them exist and work with them to correct that.

Once that's done, you've created unity and healing, and together you are both more prepared to tackle the next injustice. What injustice will you choose to correct then?

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RunningDeer, I love you, but with all due respect, this is a red herring.

The movement is #BlackLivesMatter, it isn’t, #ThisIsTrump’sFault.

This is NOT a right vs. left issue.

There have been many Republicans as well as democrats protesting here where I am in Los Angeles.

I could easily turn around what you posted, above, and conflate it to indicate that nobody who is for Trump feels the #BlackLivesMatter movement is a just cause. I don’t believe that’s true.

[norman]

There's going to be a counter "All lives matter" too.


Sibel Edmunds, bless her heart, is doing her best to head off at least a couple of fresh waves of this madness. The Hispanic and the Muslim waves.



Sibel Edmonds: Resist the Coup. “They’re bringing in New Riot Fronts.
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[Matthew]

The disconnect in the press, they're not reporting the violence. This thing about taking a knee... I believe we are all equal under god so why should I? Feels especially wrong to kneel to an intimidating force

[greybeard]

Im tempted to say "Get over it" everyone has a cross to bear.
But I wont as many feel justifiably hurt.
Chris

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RunningDeer, I love you, but with all due respect, this is a red herring.

The movement is #BlackLivesMatter, it isn’t, #ThisIsTrump’sFault.

This is NOT a right vs. left issue.

There have been many Republicans as well as democrats protesting here where I am in Los Angeles.

I could easily turn around what you posted, above, and conflate it to indicate that nobody who is for Trump feels the #BlackLivesMatter movement is a just cause. I don’t believe that’s true.

Ken, your post is for gemma13. I highlighted the reason for my post: "Oops if this pic can't be shrunk MODS please delete". I assist when a member has trouble with a graphic. (if I happen to catch it)

Love back,
Paula
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[Dorjezigzag]

Blue(police) lives Matter as well!

Those that uphold the law are being attacked! Dont think this recent video is going to do much for race relations, apparently a fake call was made and then they attacked the officer.

The home secretary and the Police Federation have condemned a video which shows an officer on the ground apparently being kicked.

Video circulating on social media shows an officer struggling with a man in Frampton Park Road in Hackney, north London.

The footage was branded "sickening" by Priti Patel, while the federation said: "We are not society's punch bags."

Four people have since been arrested on suspicion of assault on police.

They include a 13-year-old boy and three men, aged 20, 32 and 34.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53002948


Discusion on this with ex police officer.

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[Wind]

If Trump wanted to do something in response to the nation wide protests, he could start asking judges to review the sentences they issued under mandatory sentencing laws and create a list of people who were sentenced to severely, review the cases and issue thousands of pardons and commutations. It would be way out of character for him but I don't think it would be terribly unpopular.

In that case you would have to assume that he has some common sense, decency and empathy.

[Mike]

I know you weren't talking to me, but I'd like to address some of these things.


This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.




You'll have to give some more specific examples of how the system favors those with white skin.

Education, here in the states, has never been easier for low income minorities. In fact, the poorer you are, the more likely you'll get all the grants and loans you need. Anyone who has ever said they can't afford college is either being willfully dense or they live in a cave.

Actually, this is not exactly the way it works. I am speaking from direct experience here.

First, the entire navigation of the college system is put together in a way that makes it very difficult to navigate for those that have no experience with such a system. This is most people coming from low income backgrounds. They don't have a parent or anyone else experienced to help them navigate the ridiculous amount of work that needs to be done, most of which needs a computer--not a phone--to accomplish, which for many people of low income means that you need to find someone or go to the library.

The response I usually here is something along the line of--go to the library, go to the school counselor, go to the non-profit in your city. This response typically comes from the white person sitting at home behind their own computer, the person who has dealt with the college racket and understands how to navigate all the red tape. It is one more example of the hurdles that low income must overcome that others with moderate or higher incomes do not.

And loans? The cost of college is absolutely ridiculous! Sure there are some grants and state scholarships, like in Georgia, we have the HOPE scholarship. But HOPE does not cover fees or books, and the colleges have figured out that fees are another source of revenue. You can try a cheaper community college, but many areas don't have those available in commuting distances. And the idea of working your way through college disappeared a long time ago. It's not a realistic expectation.

There are exceptions. But they are truly exceptions, not to be held up as a standard.

College is a racket. The entire education system is stacked against people with low income, and that includes the majority of black Americans.

Plus, black students for example, are often accepted into university over whites and Asians who have better grades and S.A.T. scores. Someone, somewhere, decided that there were too many Asians in university, and that needed some remedying. All in the name of inclusivity and diversity, of course. By the way, Asians are a minoritiy too here in the states; they seem to be doing just fine, thriving even. Does punishing them for that seem reasonable to you?
I am acutely aware of the issues that Asians face. They certainly have their own discriminations against them! That does not negate the difficulties that blacks have. In fact, if the systemic injustices against blacks were acknowledged and addressed, then that would also help the problems that Asians face.

In 2016 a study was done at Harvard that showed no significant statistical difference regarding the use of excessive force (including officer shootings) between whites and blacks (when confronted with police).
What I know is what I see. I see police humiliating black people. I see black people refusing to call the police because they are afraid that whatever crime had been committed on them would pale in comparison to what the police would do. I see white people being given the benefit of the doubt, but black people are automatically assumed guilty. I see this in the actions of friends and families and people I've worked with. I've seen both sides. The systemic insistence of holding down black people exists. It needs to be confronted.

As far as business and industry goes, there are all sorts of affirmative action policies in place here in the US, mandating that minorities either get jobs they aren't necessarily qualified for, or at the very least granted interviews they otherwise would not have gotten unless they were black or brown. I'm not in favor of affirmative action. We need to address the systemic problems that keep people down. Affirmative action is not the answer.

How do those things favor people with white skin? Where's the systemic injustice? The difference is shown in things like when a white woman hands the cashier coupons vs when a black woman does it. It's shown when black person is stopped on a street, but a white person doing the same thing is allowed to walk by. It's shown when a group of black kids go to a park vs when a group of white kids. They may be doing the same things, but the people of color are treated differently.

Also, much of the systemic injustice is against people who don't have the money to fight it. This includes people of all colors, but the majority of blacks are low income and hence they are disproportionately affected compared to whites.

And when you use the word "equality", what exactly do you mean by that? Are you advocating for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? How about equality of treatment.

Now that I've said all that, let me be clear: The issue is not white vs black!

Neither is it any color vs another color! The problem is that a system of injustice has been set up, and it needs to be brought down.

The whole concept of All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter is a distraction, a push-back against recognizing that a problem exists.

There are entities that are trying to manipulate the dialogue. Is the answer to push back against it and go the other direction? No.

The people that are controlling the media want division. So of course the leftist Democrat agenda-driven media is going to stir things up and try to capitalize as much as they can. And the right-leaning Republican agenda-driven FOX news will push back and try to show how wrong the other side is, so they can gain power. But understand that the problem will not be solved by jumping to the other side of the conversation. On the contrary, it only perpetuates the problem.

Get off the merry-go-round, folks. Instead of engaging in a back-and-forth fight, listen to the people who have been hurt. Dialogue with them. Accept that the injustices against them exist and work with them to correct that.

Once that's done, you've created unity and healing, and together you are both more prepared to tackle the next injustice. What injustice will you choose to correct then?




When I went to college in my early 20's (I've had several stabs at it), not only did I get money for tuition and books, but also an xtra $2500 per semester. Pocket money. If you exploit all your opportunities as far as grants and loans go, you make out just fine. More than fine. At the time I was working as a manager at a storage facility and making decent cash(by my standards, at the time). And I still had all my needs met and then some (by the loans and grants). If I had been less well off, I would have gotten even more money

Every semester kids would line up and do this. It was the oldest trick in the book!:) You register for classes, fill out all the requisite paperwork, attend class for 6 weeks, get your cash, then split. Quick money. Many students did it for that exact reason. Didn't care about class.

I was one of those kids who didn't have a computer by the way. While registering I sat in an obnoxious line and waited an eternity to get on one. And when I did, it was frustrating and annoying, but there were admin floating around to help. It wasn't easy, but if you can't at least get yourself to a computer somehow and wade thru some red tape, you have no business being a student in the first place.

College loans are a racket. You'll get no disagreement from me there. But that wasn't my point. My point was: if you really want to go to college, you can, regardless of race or income status. I don't know anyone, white or black, that doesn't have some student loan debt.

Moving on...
What you see is police humiliating black people because that's what the media shows you. Do you see it on your street corner too? No. The statistics are much more reliable and objective than the media hysteria. There are something like 25 million black men in the US, and roughly 10 die a year from police shootings. And I'm willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt in at least half of those. But even if you don't, it doesn't represent anything even remotely alarming. It would be my hope that zero people would die from police shootings, but policing is often a difficult and messy business.

If only it were so easy to "accept injustices exist" and then have peace and unity. That didn't work so well for that Minnesota mayor, did it? The problem is, there will never be enough of accepting injustices to placate the mob. Never enough kneeling. Never enough grovelling. Never enough allyship. BLM has set themselves up as the Christ figure; you first have to go thru them for absolution...to be forgiven for the "original sin" of slavery. And to do that, you have to accept their narrative 150%. Anything less is unacceptable. Anything less and "you're part of the problem". Have you been listening to what they've been saying? Have you been observing their actions? Have you read the disturbing crap they write on their website?

And up till now, I still haven't seen anyone explain coherently what those injustices are exactly. Your examples are vague and generic. Show me some evidence please. What you offered are just cliched, media talking points

Please list all the systemic injustices against blacks. Show me the laws that discriminate against blacks, specifically. "Systemic racism" is such an abstract, vague and foggy notion that is doesn't really mean anything to me unless I know exactly what you're talking about.

[AutumnW]

"Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 429 civilians having been shot, 88 of whom were Black, as of June 4, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

[Mike]

"Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 429 civilians having been shot, 88 of whom were Black, as of June 4, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/



well that's what i get for quoting a youtube video without doing the research.

so, a little over 200 black people die a year as the result of police shootings. Not sure how many of them are men. A great percentage, I would guess.

still, i don't think it's too alarming when viewed against hispanics, 'others' and whites

[Ernie Nemeth]

Could it be, and to give the current trend the benefit of the doubt, because of institutionally instigated economic hardship, that blacks resort to crime in larger percentages than other groups?

[AutumnW]

"Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 429 civilians having been shot, 88 of whom were Black, as of June 4, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/



well that's what i get for quoting a youtube video without doing the research.

so, a little over 200 black people die a year as the result of police shootings. Not sure how many of them are men. A great percentage, I would guess.

still, i don't think it's too alarming when viewed against hispanics, 'others' and whites

Naughty Mike, Naughty! NO BiSCUIT!

[ulli]

“Black lives matter” is an idea whose time has come, and that wants to finalize what the civil rights movement started.
There is no denying that there is real frustration out there.
So anyone who comes back with “ALL lives matter” is then attempting to deflect from the deeper issue.

And the issue is not really to do with how many blacks are killed by police; it has much more to do with the constant harassment, down to the most subtle hints, that cause black people grief.

Unfortunately what happens is that the elite hijack this frustration purely to stir up mischief, and it is not clear if the subsequent dialogue can ever bring about a better understanding between the affected cultural groups.

The basis building block of society is an individual, and the ideal is a person who can blend into groups without giving up their sense of individuality. I’ve known a lot of black people who have been successful doing this, having lived in the West Indies.
But there they form a majority, so perhaps it is easier than in the US.

The problem with the US is the privatized prisons, owned by aggressive corporations, who will go as far as interfering with black youngsters to provoke them to get into a life of criminality, just to keep their prisons full and taxpayer moneys flowing in.

So there is this massive outside interference with black culture, from the powers that be, and they succeed by this lumping of people into groups.

And black society is still more prone to falling prey to this programming, since only a few generations ago their ancestors lived in tribal communities, while white western society gave up tribal grouping centuries ago, when their rulers insisted on nationhood.

So in a way whites got a head start towards becoming individuals, when compared to the tribal fraternity among blacks.

And now the latest push from the elite, via the mainstream media as well as academia, is to destroy all identity, especially directed at young whites, or Caucasians, as black islanders refer to whites. Keep pushing for consensus.

The only answer in my view is to introduce in earliest education those ideas that are spiritual, such as reincarnation, and that the individual soul has a choice to come to this incredibly diverse planet, pick a family, pick a culture, and hopefully learn about the interconnectedness of life, without giving up their sense of being an individual spark in an infinite creation.

[Constance]

In order to transcend all the duality that exists around All Lives Matter vs Black Lives Matter and all the dross contained within that false state of reality, I would infinitely prefer to say, "Honour all beings".

And this is because when we honour all beings, we are honouring the spiritual first. When we honour the spiritual, or the 'spirit-in-u-all' first, we are also honouring the infinite, spiritual, multidimensional, cosmic, universal nature of our beings. When the spiritual does not come first, we are not honouring who we truly are.

:heart: :sun:

[AutumnW]

But Constance, We DO have to honor duality, as we are meat stuck inside skin bags of one color or another, at least until we die. We don't have to transcend that, we have to learn to live through it, while honoring the dignity and right to life and equal treatment, (particularly under the law,)of all others.

[Constance]

Autumn, we can see things for what they truly are, but we don't have to entertain all the varying degrees of insanity. We can be of the world, rather than in it.

We can either be addressing all the false states of reality, (and it is a bottomless pit!) or we can transcend them.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Autumn, when you say we must honor our 'meat sticks', could acknowledge our bodies be a better description?

To honor is to hold up, or uphold, to exalt. The body does that on its own, as does spirit. The difference is that spirit seems to be a different reality somewhat removed from our everyday experience.

And so life seems to be about the body, since the spirit is immune to death.

If we honor the body, in the sense intended above, it would require an over-compensation.

To honor spirit is to honor life, and the body. The same cannot be said of the reverse, in our world at least.imho

[AutumnW]

I hear you, Constance and I am sure you are doing that and doing it well. Maybe you have reached a stage of spirtual maturity that many others haven't. Maybe you have already gone through it, rather than just over it. :thumbsup:

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Autumn, when you say we must honor our 'meat sticks', could acknowledge our bodies be a better description?

To honor is to hold up, or uphold, to exalt. The body does that on its own, as does spirit. The difference is that spirit seems to be a different reality somewhat removed from our everyday experience.

And so life seems to be about the body, since the spirit is immune to death.

If we honor the body, in the sense intended above, it would require an over-compensation.

To honor spirit is to honor life, and the body. The same cannot be said of the reverse, in our world at least.imho

Sure, acknowledge is a better word. But can we still call it a meat bag? I mean have you looked at yourself naked in front of a full length mirror lately. Shudder. I have.:o

[Sarah Rainsong]

I know you weren't talking to me, but I'd like to address some of these things.


This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.




You'll have to give some more specific examples of how the system favors those with white skin.

Education, here in the states, has never been easier for low income minorities. In fact, the poorer you are, the more likely you'll get all the grants and loans you need. Anyone who has ever said they can't afford college is either being willfully dense or they live in a cave.

Actually, this is not exactly the way it works. I am speaking from direct experience here.

First, the entire navigation of the college system is put together in a way that makes it very difficult to navigate for those that have no experience with such a system. This is most people coming from low income backgrounds. They don't have a parent or anyone else experienced to help them navigate the ridiculous amount of work that needs to be done, most of which needs a computer--not a phone--to accomplish, which for many people of low income means that you need to find someone or go to the library.

The response I usually here is something along the line of--go to the library, go to the school counselor, go to the non-profit in your city. This response typically comes from the white person sitting at home behind their own computer, the person who has dealt with the college racket and understands how to navigate all the red tape. It is one more example of the hurdles that low income must overcome that others with moderate or higher incomes do not.

And loans? The cost of college is absolutely ridiculous! Sure there are some grants and state scholarships, like in Georgia, we have the HOPE scholarship. But HOPE does not cover fees or books, and the colleges have figured out that fees are another source of revenue. You can try a cheaper community college, but many areas don't have those available in commuting distances. And the idea of working your way through college disappeared a long time ago. It's not a realistic expectation.

There are exceptions. But they are truly exceptions, not to be held up as a standard.

College is a racket. The entire education system is stacked against people with low income, and that includes the majority of black Americans.

Plus, black students for example, are often accepted into university over whites and Asians who have better grades and S.A.T. scores. Someone, somewhere, decided that there were too many Asians in university, and that needed some remedying. All in the name of inclusivity and diversity, of course. By the way, Asians are a minoritiy too here in the states; they seem to be doing just fine, thriving even. Does punishing them for that seem reasonable to you?
I am acutely aware of the issues that Asians face. They certainly have their own discriminations against them! That does not negate the difficulties that blacks have. In fact, if the systemic injustices against blacks were acknowledged and addressed, then that would also help the problems that Asians face.

In 2016 a study was done at Harvard that showed no significant statistical difference regarding the use of excessive force (including officer shootings) between whites and blacks (when confronted with police).
What I know is what I see. I see police humiliating black people. I see black people refusing to call the police because they are afraid that whatever crime had been committed on them would pale in comparison to what the police would do. I see white people being given the benefit of the doubt, but black people are automatically assumed guilty. I see this in the actions of friends and families and people I've worked with. I've seen both sides. The systemic insistence of holding down black people exists. It needs to be confronted.

As far as business and industry goes, there are all sorts of affirmative action policies in place here in the US, mandating that minorities either get jobs they aren't necessarily qualified for, or at the very least granted interviews they otherwise would not have gotten unless they were black or brown. I'm not in favor of affirmative action. We need to address the systemic problems that keep people down. Affirmative action is not the answer.

How do those things favor people with white skin? Where's the systemic injustice? The difference is shown in things like when a white woman hands the cashier coupons vs when a black woman does it. It's shown when black person is stopped on a street, but a white person doing the same thing is allowed to walk by. It's shown when a group of black kids go to a park vs when a group of white kids. They may be doing the same things, but the people of color are treated differently.

Also, much of the systemic injustice is against people who don't have the money to fight it. This includes people of all colors, but the majority of blacks are low income and hence they are disproportionately affected compared to whites.

And when you use the word "equality", what exactly do you mean by that? Are you advocating for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? How about equality of treatment.

Now that I've said all that, let me be clear: The issue is not white vs black!

Neither is it any color vs another color! The problem is that a system of injustice has been set up, and it needs to be brought down.

The whole concept of All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter is a distraction, a push-back against recognizing that a problem exists.

There are entities that are trying to manipulate the dialogue. Is the answer to push back against it and go the other direction? No.

The people that are controlling the media want division. So of course the leftist Democrat agenda-driven media is going to stir things up and try to capitalize as much as they can. And the right-leaning Republican agenda-driven FOX news will push back and try to show how wrong the other side is, so they can gain power. But understand that the problem will not be solved by jumping to the other side of the conversation. On the contrary, it only perpetuates the problem.

Get off the merry-go-round, folks. Instead of engaging in a back-and-forth fight, listen to the people who have been hurt. Dialogue with them. Accept that the injustices against them exist and work with them to correct that.

Once that's done, you've created unity and healing, and together you are both more prepared to tackle the next injustice. What injustice will you choose to correct then?




When I went to college in my early 20's (I've had several stabs at it), not only did I get money for tuition and books, but also an xtra $2500 per semester. Pocket money. If you exploit all your opportunities as far as grants and loans go, you make out just fine. More than fine. At the time I was working as a manager at a storage facility and making decent cash(by my standards, at the time). And I still had all my needs met and then some (by the loans and grants). If I had been less well off, I would have gotten even more money

Every semester kids would line up and do this. It was the oldest trick in the book!:) You register for classes, fill out all the requisite paperwork, attend class for 6 weeks, get your cash, then split. Quick money. Many students did it for that exact reason. Didn't care about class.

I was one of those kids who didn't have a computer by the way. While registering I sat in an obnoxious line and waited an eternity to get on one. And when I did, it was frustrating and annoying, but there were admin floating around to help. It wasn't easy, but if you can't at least get yourself to a computer somehow and wade thru some red tape, you have no business being a student in the first place.

College loans are a racket. You'll get no disagreement from me there. But that wasn't my point. My point was: if you really want to go to college, you can, regardless of race or income status. I don't know anyone, white or black, that doesn't have some student loan debt.
I'm not talking about college from 20 years ago or whenever you or I were going through college. I'm talking about right now. I have one kid just out of college, one kid in college, and one kid starting college this fall. I am acutely aware of the college process as it is currently.


Moving on...
What you see is police humiliating black people because that's what the media shows you. Do you see it on your street corner too? No.
YES, I DO! I wasn't giving you media hysteria or cliched media talking points. I was giving you personal examples. Things that I have witnessed here in my own hometown:

A mom bringing her kids to the playground and having the cops called on her, and the only difference is that her kids were black.

A cashier arguing with a black woman over her coupons (there wasn't anything wrong with them) while the same cashier would take coupons from a white woman with no problems.

A black college student being stopped and questioned while his white friend, who was walking with him, was not addressed at all.

The police absolutely humiliating a poor, elderly black woman because they were searching for someone. There was no excuse for their behavior! She did nothing to them, not obstruction, nothing! It was horrible. They were totally on a power trip. I've never seen anything like that against an elderly white person.


The statistics are much more reliable and objective than the media hysteria. There are something like 25 million black men in the US, and roughly 10 die a year from police shootings. And I'm willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt in at least half of those. But even if you don't, it doesn't represent anything even remotely alarming. It would be my hope that zero people would die from police shootings, but policing is often a difficult and messy business.

If only it were so easy to "accept injustices exist" and then have peace and unity. That didn't work so well for that Minnesota mayor, did it? The problem is, there will never be enough of accepting injustices to placate the mob. Never enough kneeling. Never enough grovelling. Never enough allyship. BLM has set themselves up as the Christ figure; you first have to go thru them for absolution...to be forgiven for the "original sin" of slavery. And to do that, you have to accept their narrative 150%. Anything less is unacceptable. Anything less and "you're part of the problem". Have you been listening to what they've been saying? Have you been observing their actions? Have you read the disturbing crap they write on their website?

And up till now, I still haven't seen anyone explain coherently what those injustices are exactly. Your examples are vague and generic. Show me some evidence please. What you offered are just cliched, media talking points

Please list all the systemic injustices against blacks. Show me the laws that discriminate against blacks, specifically. "Systemic racism" is such an abstract, vague and foggy notion that is doesn't really mean anything to me unless I know exactly what you're talking about.

Give you evidence? List the systemic injustices? Where I live, no one even bothers arguing that they don't exist. Only people who are living in their own little bubble, who don't look around at the lives of black people, the lives of other minorities or the lives of the poor, want to argue they don't exist.

My examples are not cliched, media talking points, and there are many, many people who can share similar experiences. Your arguments might as well be about alien encounters. You will not believe if you don't want to believe. You must be open to the possibility that the world works differently than what you were led to believe.

[Constance]

I hear you, Constance and I am sure you are doing that and doing it well. Maybe you have reached a stage of spirtual maturity that many others haven't. Maybe you have already gone through it, rather than just over it. :thumbsup:

Just to keep a level playing field, I would rather not talk about who, or what I am because this is not about me and where I am at, it is about serving others in living the highest truth. Getting back to what I originally said about infinitely preferring the saying "honour all beings"...

All that I am concerned with in the present moment is how we as individuals and the collective might be able to transcend all the false realities in such a way that is practical, empowering, all-encompassing, all-inclusive, relevant and unconditional.
:sun: :heart:

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Sure, acknowledge is a better word. But can we still call it a meat bag? I mean have you looked at yourself naked in front of a full length mirror lately. Shudder. I have.

Sure I have. I'd post a pic but I wouldn't want to embarrass any old 62 year olds...:blushing:

[norman]

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[Sarah Rainsong]

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norman... bless you. :heart:

[Tam]

Here's my 2 cents, long as usual, regarding the BLM/ALM debate.

For starters, a lot of the racial issues that are at the core of the BLM statement/movement will never be fully understood by non-Americans. The BLM movement (not the group, the movement) isn't about singling out any race; it's about focusing our attention on one that's been oppressed and abused for 300 years. A good analogy I've heard is this: if you have a broken arm, the doctor won't say, "Well, all your bones are important". They'll say "Let's fix that broken arm".

This is exactly the same thing. The reason why it's worded like that is because, like it or not, the fact of the matter is that, in America, black people have always been treated as less than. That is not up for discussion, it's a fact. Slavery was the tip of the iceberg. And it didn't end with the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833. It continued in pockets well into the 60s. That's 1960s, by the way. A lot of people don't know about that, but it was very real. And it still goes on even today. Then came Jim Crow Laws, and Segregation, and the FBI/Whitehouse-backed vilification of groups like Black Panthers during the civil rights era, who are massively misunderstood to this day, and that's all not even scratching the surface.

Bottom line is, due to a long record of persecution, oppression, and genocide, black people in America are disproportionately poor (and with that comes all the fixings; crime, low education, high incarceration rates, etc), and racism is alive and well, particularly in the lower states. I have been told things since moving to Texas, as a white-looking person, that had me appalled. I have spoken to black friends and coworkers and heard some of the BS they have always had to deal with, on a daily basis, and it's absurd.

Racism is a spectrum, not a club you have to meet strict parameters to be a part of. And in America, the reality is, we are ALL a little bit racist. That's just how it goes. What's important is that we recognize that, and learn to overcome it, to deprogram. I won't go into how and why, here. I would have to write a 10,000 word essay to adequately lay out why, and even then, it would only be introductory.

Now, the world does not revolve around America, nor is America the only nation with a racial inequality issue. Of course, I recognize that.

However, the nuances of our culture and uniquely messed up system/government, and how it actively perpetuates this cycle of injustice, is something one would need to spend years living here to even begin to grasp. Hell, a good half of our own people haven't grasped it yet, it's that engrained. That's why it's called systemic racism. It has always been there, America would not exist without it, and it never went away, it merely evolved.


As I said earlier, racism is a spectrum. People have a really hard time understanding that. I've known some racists in my life. One of the many crazy things about racists, is that very few of them openly admit to being so. Rarely, will one say "Yes, I'm racist. Got a problem with that?"

They genuinely believe they're not. Truly. But they are. They really, really are.

Racism isn't an overnight transformation. It's a highly contagious, progressive disease that spreads asymptomatically and gradually gnaws into your soul, bit by bit until you're slowly consumed by its poison. You don't even notice it, because it's such a quiet, steady accumulation. That's what makes radicalization so damned dangerous. Just look at ISIS, or incels. Textbook examples.

We, as a polarized society, are growing farther and farther apart by the week. Fundamentally, that stratification breeds radicalism. And we're seeing it. Fascism is once again on the rise, and both extremes of the political spectrum are responsible.

Collectively, we tread dangerous waters by normalizing mob mentality and galvanizing against those that, since they are not with us, can only be against us.

But the BLM hashtag, and the protests, are not doing that. They merely point to an issue that is long overdue in being addressed. It sheds light on something that has been kept in a dark corner for far too long.

Of course, there are radicalists on either side hijacking BLM as a weapon of division, rather than an instrument of change. The media is having a field day with it, and corporations are using it as a pedestal to virtue-signal on as a PR stunt. But don't let that distract you, or dismiss the whole thing. Because that would be the exact goal that they want. The fact that they're this focused on it, and that the virus is old news, should be telling in and of itself.

This isn't the first time there have been riots, or the first time a black man was killed in this manner by cops. Eric Garner is another one. He said the words "I can't breathe" 11 times before he died...in 2014. And there have been dozens more. Men, women, children, brutalized and murdered by the police for NO REASON. Or, even if there was due cause, the punishment did not fit the crime. Yet time and time again, it would be a hot topic for 2 weeks, then everyone would forget about it and nothing would be done.

This time, for one reason or another, Americans have had enough. This is the straw to break the camel's back. And unlike the Rodney King era, we now have the power of social media and smart phones to keep the cops accountable. They can't hide anymore. They can't sweep brutality under the rug. We all have cameras, and we're all recording.


The world is watching.

Don't let them divide you. Don't let the race issue get dismissed. Don't let the protestors get demonized as Malcolm X or the Black Panthers were. Remember: every last positive change to come to America and her people, was due to insurrection.

[rgray222]

Black Lives Matters is Not the Answer

There will be no opting out of the Black Lives Matter (https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) movement. You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America. If you dare to speak a word against BLM, you will be targeted, mobbed, and probably fired.

It doesn’t matter what your job or profession might be. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a position of power or prestige—in fact being in a position of power might make you more of a target. The only thing that can protect you from the BLM movement’s punitive rage is loyalty and genuflecting to the cause. Bend the knee, and you might be spared. Then again, you might not.

The list of people who have lost their jobs or been suspended for criticizing or even questioning the BLM movement is long—and growing daily. One of the biggest red flags is how quickly the media is to paint this group in a glowing light and at the same time destroying virtually anyone who speaks out against them.

BLM has lost its way. Their issues have become confusing. They now have thrown their support behind defunding and even abolishing the police. Their lastest charge is to abolish the court system. Current video shows people spray painting BLM logos and name on Seattle walls and storefronts where some members of the movement have taken over a 6 block section of downtown. It is hard for Americans to get behind this type of unlawfulness.

History Has Shown the Way

The baby boomers who drove the success of the civil rights movement want to get behind Black Lives Matter, but the group’s confrontational and divisive tactics make it close to impossible.

Every person in the nation was appalled at the murder of George Floyd. Race and politics did not factor into how people felt about this tragic incident. The anger was real, organic and growing by the day. The power of the spiritual approach would have brought hundreds of thousands if not millions into the streets for a peaceful and powerful marches. People from every walk of life would have participated. We could have moved the legacy that King left behind to new and better heights in a peaceful way.

The protest turned violent almost immediately, BLM and Antifa we out of the gate before people even understood the size and scope of the protest. It had all the hallmarks of a preplanned well organized event. Not a grassroots event that would have started from the bottom up. It was difficult to distinguish legitimate activists from the mob actors who burned and looted. The demonstrations were and are peppered with hate speech, profanity and unfocused anger lashing out in every direction.

Unfortunately, church and spirituality are not high priorities for Black Lives Matter, and the ethics of love, forgiveness, and reconciliation that empowered black leaders such as King and Nelson Mandela in their successful quests to win over their oppressors are missing from this movement.

In Desperate Need of a Unifying Force

The USA and the world are in desperate need of a Black American to take the helm of leadership to focus all the scattered hate and anger in a positive direction. If such a person would step forward they could harness the energy of the country if not the world to manufacture real and lasting change.

If people felt safe it would not take much of an effort to gather a million or even millions of people peacefully protesting. The cornerstones of such protests would have to be nonviolence, spirituality in tandem with religious leaders. A movement such as this would relegate Black Lives Matter, Antifa, looters and rioters to insignificant bit players.

While much of this are my words some of is from:
Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/)
New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/)
Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/)
Townhall (https://townhall.com/)

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

On Instagram (and Twitter) pharaoh_aten, montaga, Hotep Jesus, are just a few of the many young Black men publicly calling out Black Lives Matter as a front for the Democratic Party. Montaga just posted the BLM financial statement, and a list of organizations BLM funnels money to. These men represent an independent Black perspective and movement to empower their communities without compromised ties to the very organizations and people who have oppressed Black communities for generations.

Pharaoh_aten is vocal about the Satanic cabal in US government, as well as pedophia and (yes) alien influence. Montaga (Antoine Tucker) is a political candidate for NYD14. Hotep has been everywhere - from Joe Rogan to Alex Jones.

They are passionate, intelligent and from the communities most impacted by the current situation. I listen to them, and I learn.

[AutumnW]

https://www.indiantime.net/story/2020/06/11/news/first-nation-chief-releases-photo-and-info-on-rcmp/34500.html

And here we have our proud police forces behaving as they do...business as usual. They disgust me. This is very very much a part of RCMP culture. Do you see the other cops pull the abuser off the Chief?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dashcam-video-shows-rcmp-officer-tackle-first-nations-chief-during-arrest-over-expired-plate-1.4981010

[AutumnW]

RrGrey,

You wrote:

You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America.

LOL. That will be very Karmic indeed. Kind of instant Karmic! Nothing teaches like experience, no?

[Mike]

A good question we might all ask ourselves is this:

When does the left go too far?

We all know when the right goes too far. White nationalism. White supremacy groups. They stand out. They wear swastikas. We can all look at them and say to ourselves, ok, I'm gonna stay away from that dude. Taken to the extreme, we all know where that ideology leads.

But when does the left go too far? We all know racism exists, but just how far will the left go in it's crusade for "equity" before they've gone too far? Equity = equality of outcome; there are many tragic historical precedences for that ideological approach: Stalinist Russia and Mao's China come to mind immediately (If you think I'm being hyperbolic, watch the Evergreen documentary. It's precisely that type of hysteria that causes such things).

But if you are still unmoved by all those millions of deaths in China and the Soviet Union, what then will it take for you to say the left has gone too far? How about all the politically correct witch hunts going on described in rgray222's post? How about our major cities turning into mini failed states? How about the very Orwellian "bias training" being implemented all over the bloody place now? How many more shops need to be smashed up and looted before you say, ok, this has gone too far? How many more people need to get shot in the head, like that police officer in Las Vegas, Shay Mikolonis?

Political correctness is often cited by the left as the right's excuse to exclude those who are traditionally marginalized. There may be some truth to that, but "compassion" is often the left's excuse to seize power.

In your mind, when will what's going on now with BLM and all the protests and demands and witch hunts and looting stop being about equality and start being about power? That's a question for all their supporters: when will you draw the line, exactly?

BLM is a response to racism, of course, but what else is it about? Any thinking person has to ask themselves that question, having witnessed the events over the past 2 weeks. Might it be about power too now? And if so, how much do you reckon is about power and how much is about actual racism, in light of their speech and actions? I strongly suggest everyone keep a keen eye on that moving forward

[Tigger]

In order to transcend all the duality that exists around All Lives Matter vs Black Lives Matter and all the dross contained within that false state of reality, I would infinitely prefer to say, "Honour all beings".

And this is because when we honour all beings, we are honouring the spiritual first. When we honour the spiritual, or the 'spirit-in-u-all' first, we are also honouring the infinite, spiritual, multidimensional, cosmic, universal nature of our beings. When the spiritual does not come first, we are not honouring who we truly are.

:heart: :sun:

I love this post. Beautiful in it's simplicity and speaks to the spiritual truth that we are all divine beings, regardless of whether we remember that or not. :flower:

[TargeT]

got logged out of netflix....

I saw this splash screen when I logged in....................

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/netflix-black-lives-matter-collection.png

Holywood is there to entertain, not advise me on how to live (if that were the case, I'd be looking in the WRONG direction).

I was in shock..... I woke my mom up just to show her.



RrGrey,

You wrote:

You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America.

LOL. That will be very Karmic indeed. Kind of instant Karmic! Nothing teaches like experience, no?


I'd say he was spot on... in the sense that it is MEANT to be an ultra polarizing topic, very true.

I think the karma is yet to come.... Look at WHERE the riots are happening and where they are not.... this will be relevant soon.

[yelik]

The Roman Curie system has used 'Cast' to divide and conquer for a very long time. Because Trump is still trying to drain the swamp these riots are designed to muddy the election waters and keep people in a low density mindset.

The Jesuits created all the isms. In particular Zionism and Nazism (Cabal - children of darkness) to keep humanity stuck in lower density fear mode and thus easier to control. The Machine Kingdom is the planned NWO (Internet, WiFi, Cell Phones, 5G, Nano-Tech & AI)

The Universe was created with positive energy, negative energy can only destroy by nature. If people only understood the concept and purpose of duality then the Cabal could not exist and hence this riot crap

[Sarah Rainsong]

got logged out of netflix....

I saw this splash screen when I logged in....................

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/netflix-black-lives-matter-collection.png

Holywood is there to entertain, not advise me on how to live (if that were the case, I'd be looking in the WRONG direction).

I was in shock..... I woke my mom up just to show her.

It's not just Netflix. It's also Amazon Prime Video. And many other places. But Hollywood is most definitely in the business of telling you how to live, they just try do it in an entertaining way. They don't always succeed.

But I suspect that this is as much capitalism at work as it is politics or any other force. Corporations are forever trying to capitalize on the latest focus. Whatever it is, slap a slogan on it and sell it. I personally think the clothing industry is worse than Hollywood when it comes to this.

[Tintin]

Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be up for debate
June 11, 2020 7.26am BST •Updated June 12, 2020 3.54am BST

https://images.theconversation.com/files/341118/original/file-20200611-114090-oeabqv.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&rect=1%2C4%2C931%2C669&q=45&auto=format&w=926&fit=clip

Prime Minister Scott Morrison asserted in a radio interview that (https://www.pm.gov.au/media/interview-ben-fordham-2gb-4) “there was no slavery in Australia”.

This is a common misunderstanding which often obscures our nation’s history of exploitation of First Nations people and Pacific Islanders.

Morrison followed up with “I’ve always said we’ve got to be honest about our history”. Unfortunately, his statement is at odds with the historical record.

This history was widely and publicly documented, among other sources, in the 2006 Australian Senate report Unfinished Business: Indigenous Stolen Wages (https://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/senate/legal_and_constitutional_affairs/completed_inquiries/2004-07/stolen_wages/report/index).

What is slavery?
Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention (https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/slaveryconvention.aspx) says:



Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674986909), slavery is a form of “social death”.

Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807 (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html), and certainly since 1833.

Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html).

Early coverage of slavery in Australia
As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.

In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.

Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:


… the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.

Seeds of slavery in Australia
Some 62,000 Melanesian people were brought to Australia and enslaved (https://www.qhatlas.com.au/content/sugar-slaves) to work in Queensland’s sugar plantations between 1863 and 1904. First Nations Australians had a more enduring experience of slavery, originally in the pearling industry (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1031461X.2019.1620300?journalCode=rahs20) in Western Australia and the Torres Strait and then in the cattle industry.

In the pastoral industry, employers exercised a high degree of control over “their” Aboriginal workers, who were bought and sold as chattels, particularly where they “went with” the property upon sale. There were restrictions on their freedom of choice and movement. There was cruel treatment and abuse, control of sexuality, and forced labour.

A stock worker at Meda Station in the Kimberley, Jimmy Bird, recalled (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=yZQqAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=whitefellas+would+pull+their+gun+out+and+kill+any+Aborigines+who+stood+up+to+them.+And+there+was+ none+of+this+taking+your+time+to+pull+%5Bup%5D+your+boots+either.+No+fear!&source=bl&ots=Ih84woMaPp&sig=ACfU3U0d50GR5IHvNY_wPB5fOsqkQuYg0A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQm9el-_jpAhVFXSsKHaQyDUwQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=whitefellas%20would%20pull%20their%20gun%20out%20and%20kill%20any%20Aborigines%20who%20stood%20up% 20to%20them.%20And%20there%20was%20none%20of%20this%20taking%20your%20time%20to%20pull%20%5Bup%5D%20 your%20boots%20either.%20No%20fear!&f=false):



"… whitefellas would pull their gun out and kill any Aborigines who stood up to them. And there was none of this taking your time to pull up your boots either. No fear!"

Aboriginal woman Ruby de Satge (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-08/ruby-de-satge/9301424?nw=0), who worked on a Queensland station, described (http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p21521/pdf/ch035.pdf) the Queensland Protection Act as meaning:



"if you are sitting down minding your own business, a station manager can come up to you and say, “I want a couple of blackfellows” … Just like picking up a cat or a dog."

Through their roles under the legislation, police, Aboriginal protectors and pastoral managers were complicit in this force.

Slavery was sanctioned by Australian law
Legislation facilitated the enslavement of Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. Under the South Australian Aborigines Act 1911 (https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/docs/digitised_collections/remove/54205.pdf), the government empowered police to “inspect workers and their conditions” but not to uphold basic working conditions or enforce payment. The Aboriginals Ordinance 1918 (https://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/resources/transcripts/nt5_doc_1918.pdf) (Cth) allowed the forced recruitment of Indigenous workers in the Northern Territory, and legalised the non-payment of wages.

In Queensland, the licence system was effectively a blank cheque to recruit Aboriginal people into employment without their consent. Amendments to the Aboriginal Protection and Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897 (https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/catalogue_resources/54692.pdf) gave powers to the Protector or police officer to “expend” their wages or invest them in a trust fund – which was never paid out.

Officials were well aware that “slavery” was a public relations problem. The Chief Protector in the Northern Territory noted in 1927 that pastoral workers:


… are kept in a servitude that is nothing short of slavery.

In the early 1930s, Chief Protector Dr Cecil Cook pointed out (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XlMJtepmUjIJ:https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/wopapub/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004_07/stolen_wages/submissions/sub11_pdf.ashx+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au#7) Australia was in breach of its obligations under the League of Nations Slavery Convention.


"… it certainly exists here in its worst form"

Accusations of slavery continued into the 1930s, including through the British Commonwealth League.

In 1932 the North Australian Workers’ Union (NAWU) characterised (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4) Aboriginal workers as “slaves”. Unionist Owen Rowe argued:


"...If there is no slavery in the British Empire then the NT is not part of the British Empire; for it certainly exists here in its worst form."

In the 1940s, anthropologists Ronald and Catherine Berndt surveyed conditions on cattle stations owned by Lord Vestey, commenting (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html) that Aboriginal people:



"… owned neither the huts in which they lived nor the land on which these were built, they had no rights of tenure, and in some cases have been sold or transferred with the property."

In 1958, counsel for the well-known Aboriginal artist Albert Namatjira argued (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4) that the Welfare Ordinance 1953 (Cth) was unconstitutional, because the enacting legislation was:



"… a law for the enslavement of part of the population of the Northern Territory."

Profits from slaves
Australia has unfinished business in repaying wages to Aboriginal and South Sea Islander slaves. First Nations slave work allowed big businesses to reap substantial profits, and helped maintain the Australian economy through the Great Depression. Aboriginal people are proud of their work on stations even though the historical narrative is enshrined in silence and denial.

As Bundjalung woman Valerie Linow has said of her experiences of slavery in the 1950s:


"What if your wages got stolen? Honestly, wouldn’t you like to have your wages back? Honestly. I think it should be owed to the ones who were slave labour. We got up and worked from dawn to dusk … We lost everything – family, everything. You cannot go stealing our lousy little sixpence. We have got to have money back. You have got to give something back after all this country did to the Aboriginal people. You cannot keep stealing off us."

UPDATE: This article was updated on June 12 to add detail about the pearling industry.

[AutumnW]

I hear you, Constance and I am sure you are doing that and doing it well. Maybe you have reached a stage of spirtual maturity that many others haven't. Maybe you have already gone through it, rather than just over it. :thumbsup:

Just to keep a level playing field, I would rather not talk about who, or what I am because this is not about me and where I am at, it is about serving others in living the highest truth. Getting back to what I originally said about infinitely preferring the saying "honour all beings"...

All that I am concerned with in the present moment is how we as individuals and the collective might be able to transcend all the false realities in such a way that is practical, empowering, all-encompassing, all-inclusive, relevant and unconditional.
:sun: :heart:

The way to transcend false realities is to understand them and explain them, to the best of our abilities. We have created a consensus reality that is somewhat exclusive and we are coming to grips with that, currently. In order to do that we have to go through it, not rise above it. We are probably stating the same thing, in different ways. :thumbsup: ( I would give you a flower or a sun but I can't access those emojis right now) Sorry

[Dorjezigzag]

Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be up for debate
June 11, 2020 7.26am BST •Updated June 12, 2020 3.54am BST

https://images.theconversation.com/files/341118/original/file-20200611-114090-oeabqv.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&rect=1%2C4%2C931%2C669&q=45&auto=format&w=926&fit=clip

Prime Minister Scott Morrison asserted in a radio interview that (https://www.pm.gov.au/media/interview-ben-fordham-2gb-4) “there was no slavery in Australia”.

This is a common misunderstanding which often obscures our nation’s history of exploitation of First Nations people and Pacific Islanders.

Morrison followed up with “I’ve always said we’ve got to be honest about our history”. Unfortunately, his statement is at odds with the historical record.

This history was widely and publicly documented, among other sources, in the 2006 Australian Senate report Unfinished Business: Indigenous Stolen Wages (https://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/senate/legal_and_constitutional_affairs/completed_inquiries/2004-07/stolen_wages/report/index).

What is slavery?
Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention (https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/slaveryconvention.aspx) says:



Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674986909), slavery is a form of “social death”.

Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807 (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html), and certainly since 1833.

Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html).

Early coverage of slavery in Australia
As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.

In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.

Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:


… the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.

Seeds of slavery in Australia
Some 62,000 Melanesian people were brought to Australia and enslaved (https://www.qhatlas.com.au/content/sugar-slaves) to work in Queensland’s sugar plantations between 1863 and 1904. First Nations Australians had a more enduring experience of slavery, originally in the pearling industry (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1031461X.2019.1620300?journalCode=rahs20) in Western Australia and the Torres Strait and then in the cattle industry.

In the pastoral industry, employers exercised a high degree of control over “their” Aboriginal workers, who were bought and sold as chattels, particularly where they “went with” the property upon sale. There were restrictions on their freedom of choice and movement. There was cruel treatment and abuse, control of sexuality, and forced labour.

A stock worker at Meda Station in the Kimberley, Jimmy Bird, recalled (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=yZQqAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=whitefellas+would+pull+their+gun+out+and+kill+any+Aborigines+who+stood+up+to+them.+And+there+was+ none+of+this+taking+your+time+to+pull+%5Bup%5D+your+boots+either.+No+fear!&source=bl&ots=Ih84woMaPp&sig=ACfU3U0d50GR5IHvNY_wPB5fOsqkQuYg0A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQm9el-_jpAhVFXSsKHaQyDUwQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=whitefellas%20would%20pull%20their%20gun%20out%20and%20kill%20any%20Aborigines%20who%20stood%20up% 20to%20them.%20And%20there%20was%20none%20of%20this%20taking%20your%20time%20to%20pull%20%5Bup%5D%20 your%20boots%20either.%20No%20fear!&f=false):



"… whitefellas would pull their gun out and kill any Aborigines who stood up to them. And there was none of this taking your time to pull up your boots either. No fear!"

Aboriginal woman Ruby de Satge (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-08/ruby-de-satge/9301424?nw=0), who worked on a Queensland station, described (http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p21521/pdf/ch035.pdf) the Queensland Protection Act as meaning:



"if you are sitting down minding your own business, a station manager can come up to you and say, “I want a couple of blackfellows” … Just like picking up a cat or a dog."

Through their roles under the legislation, police, Aboriginal protectors and pastoral managers were complicit in this force.

Slavery was sanctioned by Australian law
Legislation facilitated the enslavement of Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. Under the South Australian Aborigines Act 1911 (https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/docs/digitised_collections/remove/54205.pdf), the government empowered police to “inspect workers and their conditions” but not to uphold basic working conditions or enforce payment. The Aboriginals Ordinance 1918 (https://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/resources/transcripts/nt5_doc_1918.pdf) (Cth) allowed the forced recruitment of Indigenous workers in the Northern Territory, and legalised the non-payment of wages.

In Queensland, the licence system was effectively a blank cheque to recruit Aboriginal people into employment without their consent. Amendments to the Aboriginal Protection and Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897 (https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/catalogue_resources/54692.pdf) gave powers to the Protector or police officer to “expend” their wages or invest them in a trust fund – which was never paid out.

Officials were well aware that “slavery” was a public relations problem. The Chief Protector in the Northern Territory noted in 1927 that pastoral workers:


… are kept in a servitude that is nothing short of slavery.

In the early 1930s, Chief Protector Dr Cecil Cook pointed out (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XlMJtepmUjIJ:https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/wopapub/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004_07/stolen_wages/submissions/sub11_pdf.ashx+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au#7) Australia was in breach of its obligations under the League of Nations Slavery Convention.


"… it certainly exists here in its worst form"

Accusations of slavery continued into the 1930s, including through the British Commonwealth League.

In 1932 the North Australian Workers’ Union (NAWU) characterised (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4) Aboriginal workers as “slaves”. Unionist Owen Rowe argued:


"...If there is no slavery in the British Empire then the NT is not part of the British Empire; for it certainly exists here in its worst form."

In the 1940s, anthropologists Ronald and Catherine Berndt surveyed conditions on cattle stations owned by Lord Vestey, commenting (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4.html) that Aboriginal people:



"… owned neither the huts in which they lived nor the land on which these were built, they had no rights of tenure, and in some cases have been sold or transferred with the property."

In 1958, counsel for the well-known Aboriginal artist Albert Namatjira argued (http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUIndigLawRw/2007/4) that the Welfare Ordinance 1953 (Cth) was unconstitutional, because the enacting legislation was:



"… a law for the enslavement of part of the population of the Northern Territory."

Profits from slaves
Australia has unfinished business in repaying wages to Aboriginal and South Sea Islander slaves. First Nations slave work allowed big businesses to reap substantial profits, and helped maintain the Australian economy through the Great Depression. Aboriginal people are proud of their work on stations even though the historical narrative is enshrined in silence and denial.

As Bundjalung woman Valerie Linow has said of her experiences of slavery in the 1950s:


"What if your wages got stolen? Honestly, wouldn’t you like to have your wages back? Honestly. I think it should be owed to the ones who were slave labour. We got up and worked from dawn to dusk … We lost everything – family, everything. You cannot go stealing our lousy little sixpence. We have got to have money back. You have got to give something back after all this country did to the Aboriginal people. You cannot keep stealing off us."

UPDATE: This article was updated on June 12 to add detail about the pearling industry.

Associating white people with slavery in the world now is like association the Italians with the gladiatal arenas in todays world or the Scandinavians with raping and pillaging now. Its history, we learned the error of our ways and for the most part we have moved on. Some pockets still exist but when they are discovered they will have the full force of the law enacted against them. Unfortunately, much of the rest of the world has not learned these lessons and modern day slavery is a huge problem.

Africa just recorded the highest rate of modern-day enslavement in the world.

Armed conflict, state-sponsored forced labor, and forced marriages were the main causes behind the estimated 9.2 million Africans who live in servitude without the choice to do so, according to the 2018 Global Slavery Index. And despite these practices being widespread, slavery has remained a largely invisible issue, in part, because it disproportionately affects the most marginalized members of society, such as minorities, women, and children.

Slavery was especially prevalent in Eritrea and Mauritania, where slavery has even been, at times, an institutionalized practice. In Eritrea, for instance, the one-party state of president Isaias Afwerki has overseen a notorious national conscription service accused of drafting citizens for an indefinite period, contributing to the wave of refugees fleeing the country. Workers that have claimed that they were forced to work in the nation’s first modern mine are also currently suing the Vancouver-based mining company Nevsun that owns a majority stake in the mine.


The situation is more acute in Mauritania, which has the title of the world’s last country to abolish slavery. For centuries, members of the black Haratin group were caught in a cycle of servitude, with the slave status being inherited. Reports have also shown the existence of government collusion with slave owners who intimidate servants who break free from their masters. A January landmark ruling from the African Union stated Mauritania wasn’t doing enough to prosecute and jail the perpetrators of slavery.


In recent years, serfdom in the continent has attracted global attention after videos showed “slave markets” in Libya where African migrants were being auctioned off in car parks, garages, and as well as public squares. Migration to Libya has also put Nigerian women in the crossfire, with many being sucked into Italy’s dangerous world of sex trafficking. During the World Cup games in Russia, anti-slavery group Alternativa said sex traffickers were also planning to exploit Russia’s lax visa rules for the soccer fanfare to pimp Nigerian women.


The study, conducted in collaboration with Walk Free Foundation and the International Labor Organization, also notes how consumers all over the world are getting products that at some stage were touched by the hands of modern-day slaves. This was especially the case with the G20 nations, who have strong laws and systems against servitude, but who collectively import $354 billion worth of at-risk products annually.

As previous reports have shown, cases of slavery still persist lower down the supply chain in commodity-producing nations like the DR Congo and Cote D’Ivore.

Please go to this link where there are some charts.

https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world/

[Dorjezigzag]

https://i.vgy.me/FcBVcF.jpg

norman... bless you. :heart:

I would disagree with this, I think white power scares most white people and they are vocal against it, people who ascribe to this view in that community will be ostracised. On the other hand very few black people seem to be scared of the antagonism of black power, and if they express that they will be ostracised, Candace Owens a good example of this.

I agree with the handshake though but its not about power its about love.

[greybeard]

Something you darent say is that some African tribes would capture the "enemy tribe" and sell them to the slavers
And strangely enough some of those those who survived the voyage .lived longer than they would have in Africa.

I read some where, a long time ago, that the African's worst enemy was his educated brother.

There are many sides to every story its not black and white.

Scottish Lairds were in League with the English.
There was always a fence -- which side were you on Catholic Royalists or Protestant.
Scots were good soldiers (Cannon Fodder) and tended to be front line in the English Conquests.
It was that or starve to death.
The Scots were very tribal and its really not that long ago that the Campbell's slaughtered the MacDonalds in Glencoe
https://www.britannica.com/event/Massacre-of-Glencoe

Seems various cultures have to go through an evolution and that includes all the horrible stuff.

Chris

Different times -- get over it, move on -- the Scots did.

[AutumnW]

Associating white people with slavery in the world now is like association the Italians with the gladiatal arenas in todays world or the Scandinavians with raping and pillaging now. Its history, we learned the error of our ways and for the most part we have moved on. Some pockets still exist but when they are discovered they will have the full force of the law enacted against them. Unfortunately, much of the rest of the world has not learned these lessons and modern day slavery is a huge problem.

There are many forms of slavery like oppression:

From Salon

"Turns out corporations are using non-competes to prevent even these types of employees from moving to newer or better jobs.

America today has the lowest minimum wage in nearly 50 years, adjusted for inflation. As a result, people are often looking for better jobs. But according to the New York Times, about 1 in 5 American workers is now locked in with a non-compete clause in an employment contract.

Before Reaganomics, employers didn’t keep their employees by threatening them with lawsuits; instead, they offered them benefits like insurance, paid vacations and decent wages. Large swaths of American workers could raise a family and have a decent retirement with a basic job ranging from manufacturing to construction to service industry work."

Tom Hartman

https://www.salon.com/2017/07/24/a-21st-century-form-of-indentured-servitude-has-already-penetrated-deep-into-the-american-heartland_partner/

And how Canada measures up. (Not well!)

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/canada/

[Dorjezigzag]

Something you darent say is that some African tribes would capture the "enemy tribe" and sell them to the slavers
And strangely enough some of those those who survived the voyage .lived longer than they would have in Africa.

I read some where, a long time ago, that the African's worst enemy was his educated brother.

There are many sides to every story its not black and white.

Scottish Lairds were in League with the English.
There was always a fence -- which side were you on Catholic Royalists or Protestant.
Scots were good soldiers (Cannon Fodder) and tended to be front line in the English Conquests.
It was that or starve to death.
The Scots were very tribal and its really not that long ago that the Campbell's slaughtered the MacDonalds in Glencoe
https://www.britannica.com/event/Massacre-of-Glencoe

Seems various cultures have to go through an evolution and that includes all the horrible stuff.

Chris

Different times -- get over it, move on -- the Scots did.

Yes and no one talks about the The white Barbary slave trade which refers to slave markets on the Barbary Coast of North Africa, which included the Ottoman provinces of Algeria, Tunisia and Tripolitania and the independent sultanate of Morocco, between the 16th and middle of the 18th century. The Ottoman provinces in North Africa were nominally under Ottoman suzerainty, but in reality they were mostly autonomous.

European slaves were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to the Netherlands, Ireland and the Southwest of Britain, as far north as Iceland and into the eastern Mediterranean. It is estimated over a million white slaves were taken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

[rgray222]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/102382698_105210604566890_27013675186450536_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=R4UNOKDqZDAAX-Rzg5U&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=76192e6bde11a6993694c2df7c61008e&oe=5F09D514

[Dorjezigzag]

Associating white people with slavery in the world now is like association the Italians with the gladiatal arenas in todays world or the Scandinavians with raping and pillaging now. Its history, we learned the error of our ways and for the most part we have moved on. Some pockets still exist but when they are discovered they will have the full force of the law enacted against them. Unfortunately, much of the rest of the world has not learned these lessons and modern day slavery is a huge problem.

There are many forms of slavery like oppression:

From Salon

"Turns out corporations are using non-competes to prevent even these types of employees from moving to newer or better jobs.

America today has the lowest minimum wage in nearly 50 years, adjusted for inflation. As a result, people are often looking for better jobs. But according to the New York Times, about 1 in 5 American workers is now locked in with a non-compete clause in an employment contract.

Before Reaganomics, employers didn’t keep their employees by threatening them with lawsuits; instead, they offered them benefits like insurance, paid vacations and decent wages. Large swaths of American workers could raise a family and have a decent retirement with a basic job ranging from manufacturing to construction to service industry work."

Tom Hartman

https://www.salon.com/2017/07/24/a-21st-century-form-of-indentured-servitude-has-already-penetrated-deep-into-the-american-heartland_partner/

And how Canada measures up. (Not well!)

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/canada/

Do you really think this is in any way comparable to the actual slavery that is happening in places like Eritrea and North Korea?

https://images.csmonitor.com/csmarchives/2010/04/0510-OOPEC-OIL-AFRICA-MINING-GOLD.jpg?alias=standard_900x600nc

[Mike]

the grieving protesters visiting a tampa walmart:

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[TargeT]

But I suspect that this is as much capitalism at work as it is politics or any other force. Corporations are forever trying to capitalize on the latest focus. Whatever it is, slap a slogan on it and sell it. I personally think the clothing industry is worse than Hollywood when it comes to this.

Welcome to Fascism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)....

[shaberon]

The Jesuits created all the isms. In particular Zionism and Nazism (Cabal - children of darkness) to keep humanity stuck in lower density fear mode and thus easier to control. The Machine Kingdom is the planned NWO (Internet, WiFi, Cell Phones, 5G, Nano-Tech & AI)


Yes, it is like this, in the "intelligence game", they have stolen all the pieces and selectively dished them out.

The main thing they, themselves, are afraid of, is the truth, such as that of the Johannites. I suppose the Jesuits realize they have a house of cards which does nothing without belief, fear, and ignorance of other ways.

These days I don't know the "we" anyone is talking about. Not the "we" that needs to do this or that or think something. It seems to frequently be spoken from within the construct; I am not.

In the old days, black slaves were about $50, but you could get an Irishman for $5.

Where did this situation come from? Well, via Islam. Europeans had no interest or knowledge of sub-Saharan Africa. But they learned all Muslims want to go to Mecca. So some of the seafarers such as Normans put agents in Mecca. One day they met the king of Mali. The man had no shortage of gold. So the Europeans got interested. Then places such as Spain were definitely trying to grab whatever they could for the pope. Spain and the other Europeans were never in a non-warlike condition. Mali and other African places were the same way. To this day, the president of Senegal, for example, says he would kill homosexuals. I am not sure that means "we" need to bomb out his country and teach him a lesson. The reason "we" should not do this is, not necessarily because he is black, but, for one thing, it's none of my business.

I can't really conceive of projecting anything political very far.

Why is it any of my business what goes on in Seattle or Minnesota? I don't have any right to make my neighbors acquiesce to the grit of my will, let alone anyone over there. I can't tell them what to say or think. We can however make up a bunch of imaginary lines and define levels of force that will be used in case of emergency.

No, police should not get away with murder.

The rest is a kind of pied piper birdsong, which will not really gouge the core of the system. Removing the court is not necessary. Rescinding many of the laws it handles, is.

[Bill Ryan]

Actions always speak louder than words.

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/90c68c0e-ec33-4748-ba30-42f0f4b57311.jpg

The black man seen carrying an injured white man to safety during a chaotic scene at protests in London on Saturday told CNN he did it to avoid catastrophe.

The image of Patrick Hutchinson's selfless act has now spread across the globe. Hutchinson told CNN Sunday it was the first Black Lives Matter protest he attended, and he helped the white man because he didn't want the main reason for the protests to be lost in one moment of violence.

Read more here.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/14/uk/london-blm-protester-injured-man-photo-trnd/index.html

[Constance]

Actions always speak louder than words.

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/90c68c0e-ec33-4748-ba30-42f0f4b57311.jpg

The black man seen carrying an injured white man to safety during a chaotic scene at protests in London on Saturday told CNN he did it to avoid catastrophe.

The image of Patrick Hutchinson's selfless act has now spread across the globe. Hutchinson told CNN Sunday it was the first Black Lives Matter protest he attended, and he helped the white man because he didn't want the main reason for the protests to be lost in one moment of violence.

Read more here.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/14/uk/london-blm-protester-injured-man-photo-trnd/index.html


Thanks for sharing that Bill. :flower::flower: Seeing this made my energies soar and it filled my heart with gratitude for that soul's great action. To wherever you are Patrick. Thank you from my heart. What a beautiful act of mercy and compassion. :heart::heart:

[Ernie Nemeth]

There are so many angles to this that I am convinced it is a psi-op.

For starters, we have the free trade agreements that have broken up national interests as increasing influence of foreign nationals has taken hold, fundamentally and indelibly diluting the distinctive qualities of nation states. Much more could be said about this alone.

The movement to homogenize the human race, and thereby foment racial distinctions based on a perceived need to validate and preserve cultural traditions, is a race to the least common denominator that can be applied to all without bias. As cultural traditions fade nations become increasingly irrelevant until they become anachronistic. Only then can a one world government be considered the safe and sure bet to preserve the androgynous nature of the remaining milk-toast culture. A post-modern shade of gray will transform our lives and redefine what it is to be human.

In the name of fundamental human rights the west has adopted its backward cousins into the fold, increasing the blaring cultural differences between segregated hot zones and the mainstream. The newcomers display their frustration through acts of violence while the citizens react with fear and dismay at their insolence.

And here in North America the great experiment has reached its inevitable pinnacle. Buoyed by years of minority-correcting immigration, especially in Canada, the era of virtue signalling and wearing victim-hood as a badge has lead to a place where hate speech has become a buzz word denoting any group's aversion toward another group as long as they're not white, conservative or straight - the old cultural norms society used to be based on.

But it is the new religion of technology that has done the most harm. The pseudo-science that passes as rigid dogma, ridiculing common-sense and hailing counter-intuitive knowledge of theoretical prognostications as tangible products of logicians and equal in status to established protocols of experimental science borders on the insane.

Propaganda abounds in our world. It has attacked the very fabric of our society and threatens to tear it apart in a sudden fit of rage.

Everywhere we look we see the truth being assailed, countered, and obscured.

Yet this destruction of our long held values is not organic, it is not grass roots. It is an organized assault by the very wealthy and targets the radicalized, the naive, the uninformed and the marginalized.

Every sane voice is questioned, and every insane voice is amplified and asserted, shouted from the rooftops as truth.

This is a move by the globalists who know that while America stands, globalism will never succeed. For it is the anathema to liberty, and the death of the idea of the republic that upholds its tenets.

Be prepared for even worse, even more unbelievable things to come.

The psi-op for the control of your mind is just getting started.

[Islander12]

To me ALL lives matter. Like others have said I get the spirit or whatever you want to call it behind the BLM movement but in the statistics for the US more whites have been killed by cops than black. A lot that I keep hearing in the news has happened decades ago, not today. And i might piss some/a lot of people off, but I’m getting sick and tired of hearing BLM.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

I hope that link works....it’s for the years 2017-2020

[Eva2]

Its amazing to me why the media isn't covering the slaughter of white farmers in South Africa - guess this situation isn't a good fit for where the media is going with presenting "facts".

https://southafricatoday.net/media/south-africa-photo/farm-attack/sky-australia-exposes-the-horrific-murder-of-white-farmers-south-africa/?fbclid=IwAR3M5MEiDET4_HFdwDh-s6roVlPhsQGQTASVYAUPd1RCgaCMJY1JjH8yjwU

[Dorjezigzag]

On the fourth anniversary of his death, Muhammad Ali’s only biological son says that his father would be against Black Lives Matter, calling the movement “racist” and the protesters “devils.”

The legendary boxer and activist stood up against racism throughout his life, but Muhammad Ali Jr. says his dad would have been sickened by how the protests have turned to violence and looting after the death of George Floyd.

“Don’t bust up s–t, don’t trash the place,” he told The Post. “You can peacefully protest.



‘‘My father would have said, ‘They ain’t nothing but devils.’ My father said, ‘All lives matter.’ I don’t think he’d agree.”

Of the BLM movement, Ali Jr., a Muslim like his father, said: “I think it’s racist.”

“It’s not just black lives matter, white lives matter, Chinese lives matter, all lives matter, everybody’s life matters. God loves everyone — he never singled anyone out. Killing is wrong no matter who it is,” Ali said during an hour-long interview with The Post.

On police brutality, Ali defended law enforcement in general.

“Police don’t wake up and think, ‘I’m going to kill a n—-r today or kill a white man,'” he said. “They’re just trying to make it back home to their family in one piece.


Speaking of Floyd’s killing at the hands of a white Minneapolis police officer, Ali said, “The officer was wrong with killing that person, but people don’t realize there was more footage than what they showed. The guy resisted arrest, the officer was doing his job, but he used the wrong tactic.”

He agrees with President Trump that Antifa fomented violence during the Floyd protests and should be labeled a terrorist organization.

“They’re no different from Muslim terrorists. They should all get what they deserve. They’re f–king up businesses, beating up innocent people in the neighborhood, smashing up police stations and shops. They’re terrorists — they’re terrorizing the community. I agree with the peaceful protests, but the Antifa, they need to kill everyone in that thing.

“Black Lives Matter is not a peaceful protest. Antifa never wanted it peaceful. I would take them all out.”


https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhammad-alis-son-says-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/

[Gracy]

I agree with the peaceful protests, but the Antifa, they need to kill everyone in that thing.

Black Lives Matter is not a peaceful protest. Antifa never wanted it peaceful. I would take them all out.

I think Ali would greatly disagree with his son on this one. He was never a "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" kind of guy.

[Dorjezigzag]

I agree with the peaceful protests, but the Antifa, they need to kill everyone in that thing.

Black Lives Matter is not a peaceful protest. Antifa never wanted it peaceful. I would take them all out.

I think Ali would greatly disagree with his son on this one. He was never a "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" kind of guy.

Yeah kind of contradicts what his son said earlier in the article with

Killing is wrong no matter who it is

[Jayke]

I agree with the peaceful protests, but the Antifa, they need to kill everyone in that thing.

Black Lives Matter is not a peaceful protest. Antifa never wanted it peaceful. I would take them all out.

I think Ali would greatly disagree with his son on this one. He was never a "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" kind of guy.

Yeah kind of contradicts what his son said earlier in the article with

Killing is wrong no matter who it is

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Ali had some strong and interesting views, he’d certainly fall into the all lives matter camp, just as he says all races matter. Based on what he says in this interview he’d probably be horrified by all the BLM madness. Which as Shaun King, leader of the BLM movement admits, is little more than an assault on white European culture, tradition and values.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shaunking/status/12751130675553034241275113067555303424

[shaberon]

Ah, the skin tone of Jesus.

Lots of North Africans, Arabs, and even people in India are fairly pale or whitish, and, some of the so-called white Europeans are rather olive or beige. Even stranger are the red-haired white mummies in China.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not European, why should he be so strongly pushed in Europe? It's not a "Western tradition", it is an import.

That was perhaps white-on-white racism, it was definitely violent oppression, that did nothing to Africans. How does he look in Coptic or Ethiopic images? Do those churches have a thousand-year history of "killing their own people"? The Roman church already destroyed European culture, and put in whatever it, exactly, is. Something beyond "white supremacy". Heck, I had two friends that were almost as black as the ace of spades, and they were Italian.

Slagging Denmark about it does not seem to respect the fact that most of their churches are already empty. Where would you go from southern Israel? Are you saying his travel agent could have booked a flight to anywhere? Will someone put up a "Shaun King" statue so I can tear it down?

He is half-right that it is oppression, but it is "religious propaganda", and the kind of racism he is talking about was manufactured at Jamestown in the 1600s, well after white Jesus was the patron of slaughtering mass quantities of white people.

[Jayke]

Ah, the skin tone of Jesus.

Lots of North Africans, Arabs, and even people in India are fairly pale or whitish, and, some of the so-called white Europeans are rather olive or beige. Even stranger are the red-haired white mummies in China.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not European, why should he be so strongly pushed in Europe? It's not a "Western tradition", it is an import.

That was perhaps white-on-white racism, it was definitely violent oppression, that did nothing to Africans. How does he look in Coptic or Ethiopic images? Do those churches have a thousand-year history of "killing their own people"? The Roman church already destroyed European culture, and put in whatever it, exactly, is. Something beyond "white supremacy". Heck, I had two friends that were almost as black as the ace of spades, and they were Italian.

Slagging Denmark about it does not seem to respect the fact that most of their churches are already empty. Where would you go from southern Israel? Are you saying his travel agent could have booked a flight to anywhere? Will someone put up a "Shaun King" statue so I can tear it down?

He is half-right that it is oppression, but it is "religious propaganda", and the kind of racism he is talking about was manufactured at Jamestown in the 1600s, well after white Jesus was the patron of slaughtering mass quantities of white people.

The white-washing of history continues. There was a high proportion of Caucasian people in Egypt for centuries before Christ came along. The reason Alexander the Great felt entitled to become ruler of Egypt was because his biological father knocked his mum up during a Zeus-ammon Eleusian Mystery tradition ceremony, his biological father was the Pharoah of Egypt, head of the Zeus-Ammon mysteries at the time. Alexander the Great was reportedly a small of stature ginger haired pale skinned Caucasian according to the historical record (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9774247647/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

Point is Caucasians, originating from the Caucas mountains, Armenia, have populated the middle East and levant for thousands of years. Persians were from Perseus, after the fall of Troy. The change of racial ethnicity in the region mostly became arabicised during the Islamic and mongol invasions, after the time of Christ. During the time of Christ Egypt was full of Greeks and Romans. Ralph Ellis takes a deep dive into who the real life Jesus was in his extremely detailed and incredibly well-researched book series:
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Ralph Ellis - Jesus King of Edessa (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jesus-King-Edessa-Ralph-Ellis/dp/1905815662)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vpVvq146L._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Christianity is very much a Caucasian tradition. The whole ‘black’ or ‘arab’ Jesus myth that the likes of Shaun King promote are just part of the pre-planned destruction of the Western world that’s been ongoing for millennia by the Babylonian-Talmud cult.

[shaberon]

Point is Caucasians, originating from the Caucas mountains, Armenia, have populated the middle East and levant for thousands of years...Christianity is very much a Caucasian tradition.


Were they just called "Armenians" at the time? "Caucasian" evidently is

First introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen School of History, the term denoted one of three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid).

Yes, the whole Mediterranean was full of Greeks, although "Greek" also has its waves of natives vs. invaders.

Jesus was Greek or Armenian?

If we say Christianity is a Caucasian thing, then it is a white thing, applicable to swarthy-complected "Meds"?

I am not sure, or, I am not sure what you would mean by "Caucasian tradition". Celts? My Celtic ancestors revered Cernunnos until Romanization. Celt means "barbaric outsider" to the Greeks, so, they seem to be specifically excluded from Greek customs.

I am sure that Christianity is Byzantine, that the Roman and Protestant are not Christian, and those two already destroyed the western world by force. It is perhaps true that non-white Jesus is an attack against all of those. I am not sure. It would not have any impact on Orthodox countries. No one would listen.

That is just a basic definition, the church, whether we like it or not, is that of Constantine, the others are aberrations to it. The actual personal practice of Jesus obviously could have nothing to do with it. His disciples performed "direct charity", meaning they roamed town looking for the sick, hungry, and friendless, and helped them unquestioningly.

One might look at minor "pre-Constantine" branches such as Thomasine Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians) of India. But even that got mostly Romanized. Nevertheless, you have a disciple preaching in India ca. year 52, which is a pretty close link to the original community, closer than most places. One could argue that Christianity is a Kerala tradition, even though it was imported, no force was used.

It is interesting that planned destruction is of the West, since the Orthodox lands and the East would largely be immune to this kind of thing. From the Eastern perspective, we see, "You're still squabbling over who this teacher is, and what is the right practice?" It is astonishing.

[Jayke]

I am not sure, or, I am not sure what you would mean by "Caucasian tradition". Celts? My Celtic ancestors revered Cernunnos until Romanization. Celt means "barbaric outsider" to the Greeks, so, they seem to be specifically excluded from Greek customs.

Ralph Ellis points to the archeological evidence in his book that the Jews of the 1st century were hellenistic astrologers. Hence why they have a Caucasian Helios at the centre of their Hamat Tiberias synagogue Zodiac, 1st century, Israel.


Detail of the Zodiac floor mosaic, Hamat Tiberias

ISRAEL - APRIL 1: Helios, the Sun God, detail of the Zodiac floor mosaic, synagogue at Hamat Tiberias, Sea of Galilee, Israel.


http://www.esotericquarterly.com/issues/EQ10/EQ1002/EQ100214-Ellis.pdf

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/helios-the-sun-god-detail-of-the-zodiac-floor-mosaic-synagogue-at-picture-id647349647?s=2048x2048

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Hamat-Tiberias-119.jpg/1920px-Hamat-Tiberias-119.jpg

Celts and Greeks were already diverged by 1st century but they both have ‘Germanic‘ origins. Germanic culture doesn’t specifically mean ‘German’.

In Algis Uzdavinys exceedingly scholarly work (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philosophy-Rite-Rebirth-Ancient-Neoplatonism/dp/1898910359) he points out that ‘German’ was an Egyptian word for ‘silent of mind’, those who’ve basically attained Buddha consciousness. It wasn’t particularly a racial description, but most Germanic cultures are Caucasians.

https://www.englishclub.com/images-esl/english-what-germanic-languages.gif

Dr Charles Kos has been making a strong case in his YouTube channel that the founders of Egyptian culture were from Doggerland, an old Atlantean culture that sank under the sea between England and Europe. It’s this ‘Germanic’ culture that is being systematically destroyed and painted black by the Babylonian brotherhood.

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[shaberon]

Interesting. "Hellenistic astrology" is the deviation from Eastern Astrology, where they begin to make the case of compensating for precession, so the equinoxes/seasons will always be about the same on man's artificial calendar. Perhaps the main reason for this is so Julius and Augustus Caesar will always be in the high summer. "August" was "October" (eighth month), followed by November (ninth) and December (tenth). I don't know if they had Undecember and Dodecacember, but there is a September (seventh month).

There is also a case for a sunken Friesland along the coast of Netherlands and Denmark, forget the right name, we have a post on it somewhere. Important manuscript about it. There probably was an island if not a land bridge in the English Channel. So there probably was something old and forgotten there. Well, on a quick check, Wiki and National Geographic say there was such a thing. If so, I will give them the likelihood they weren't shouting "ugga bugga" and throwing rocks at each other. They must have built Henges.

Some of the things found in the Bosnian Pyramid, South Africa, Mexico, India, etc., do suggest that perhaps they used crystals or certain metals to make a "telepathic internet". Even stronger evidence would say that many of these "pre-historic" cultures were linked by trade, even at what would seem like outrageous distances for a canoe.

I would definitely accept that there was an Avalon at Wales and Bibractis in France which were the major colleges even unto the historical record. Some have said that Wales, or Cymmry, is related to Cimmeria of Anatolia or Asia Minor. I am never too sure that a similar word means identity.

As for the graphic with "Germanic" at the center of all--this appears to be substituting for the standard "Indo-European".

It is also saying Germanic is the root of Armenian--Caucasian.

For it to be the roots of Balts, Tocharians, and Indo-Iranians seems to be a bit of a stretch. If you look at Lithuanian houses, you find them surmounted by two horses. Not many even know why, but it comes from the Vedas.

Since the Doggerland, Friesland, stairways of Malta, etc., are ancient enough to point to a lower water table due to a Little Ice Age, we would expect this made coasts more inhabitable, highlands not so.

At this time, the difference with Central Asia is that it got glacier melt from the Himalayas--and this made it an inland tropical paradise. During the Ice Age, not due to it ending. It did not fully become an abandoned desert wasteland until ca. year 600. So I, personally, am prone to seeing Central Asia as a bit more cradle-ish than most other places. In Sanskrit, it is called Uttara Kuru or Great North Country, a place where there are no disputes, and ancient Indian sages traveled there. There you also find "Denisovan man", whose genetic remnants are found most strongly in Indonesians.

The direct cognates of Sanskrit to Greek are practically the entire language and system. Much more substantial than similarities about German or Cimmerian. Sanskrit has the advantage of being able to demonstrate advanced age, without being fully exterminated like the Grecian Mysteries. There is a very strong affinity from India to Greece, which, it seems, German would have a hard time compensating for. There is a virtual identity of the Vedic system with original Zoroastrianism.

I think I have mentioned it before, but, in that view, Zoroastrianism is basically Western Hinduism. And it is the Zoroastrian which degraded and lost the original meaning, into Manichean dualism and Talmudism and so forth, and this is what I personally mean by "Western", although somewhat east from where we say the west physically ends. There I believe it links to what you are calling Babylonian. Again the original Babylonian, or Chaldean, was more complete and accurate, but in most of these cultures, we see established Mysteries passing into weaker and weaker generations until nothing is left but mummery and acts and perhaps a priestly caste too close to politics.

Considering that the height of the Western mysteries consisted of a neophyte, likely drugged, put in a large tomb to experience the Afterworld for a night or two, the trans-Himalaya is replete with little stone structures that look like ovens where people would do it at will for almost any length of time.

Sanskrit for Germany is Jarmanideza. At one time, all Europeans were called "Franks": Phirangi.

Those could be loan-words, such as the English Jungle and Shampoo are Indian. Phirangi is mainly aimed at the Portuguese, who became very interested in India in the 1600s; although the French also colonized.

The Germanic thing does not seem to account for some "native" Europeans: Caledonian, Etruscan, Minoan, Basque, Sammi.

It doesn't mention Israeli, Assyrian, or Aramaiac, which would have more bearing on historical Jesus. Around there, one should consider Baalbek, where:

The Roman construction was built on top of earlier ruins which were formed into a raised plaza, formed of twenty-four monoliths, the largest weighing over 800 tons.

or, in India, Dwarka, Krishna's city, ca. 3,000 B. C. E.

Those are not necessarily as old as Doggerland, vanished ca. 6,000 B. C. E.

I am not sure if we can really verify all the possible twists and turns of ancient migrations, but, there is at least a decent chance Jesus may have been Caucasian or white, and "out of Africa" may not be the best explanation for the whole human race coming from one special Hominid parentage there.

[Tintin]

Not that I usually pay too much attention to celebrity commentary but this one has appeared on the Avalon Twitter feed (no, we don't actually follow any celebrities) and the comments from Serena Williams no less pretty much sums up my feelings about these matters, along with I imagine several hundreds of thousands if not millions of others too.

Perhaps that will 'trend' (I know, horrible phrase)

https://twitter.com/diana_murphy613/status/1275547010213519361/photo/1

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[Bill Ryan]

the comments from Serena Williams no less pretty much sums up my feelings about these matters, along with I imagine several hundreds of thousands if not millions of others too.

Perhaps that will 'trend' (I know, horrible phrase)

https://twitter.com/diana_murphy613/status/1275547010213519361/photo/1

Yes. For me, "right vs. left" is just intellectually lazy. There are so many shades of gray, with multiple complex factors involved, and no way is that any kind of simple straight-line spectrum. If anyone characterizes me as a representative of any simplistically labeled group, that always feels like a bit of an insult.

My views are my own. I'm not going to be put in any oh-so-convenient box. I invite anyone to prove me wrong, but I believe in all my 20,000+ posts I've never once referred to "right" or "left" unless I'm quoting someone else.

"Black" and "white" are way over-simplified in just the same way, usually with no observations of geography, nationality, culture, education, language, religion, parenting, finances, employment, opportunity, and much else.

I started this thread because I wanted to encourage everyone here to think about things in broader and deeper terms, acknowledging all the huge complexity and diversity, and not fall into the elephant trap of binary divisiveness.

[Eva2]

Not that I usually pay too much attention to celebrity commentary but this one has appeared on the Avalon Twitter feed (no, we don't actually follow any celebrities) and the comments from Serena Williams no less pretty much sums up my feelings about these matters, along with I imagine several hundreds of thousands if not millions of others too.

Perhaps that will 'trend' (I know, horrible phrase)

https://twitter.com/diana_murphy613/status/1275547010213519361/photo/1

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Just a bit of history on this quote from "Serena Williams". Apparently "a" Serena Williams picked up this quote from Gina Torres at the beginning of June when it went viral but this is not Serena the tennis star but just a random person who shares the same name, Whoever wrote it, I think is really spot on with her analysis of the current situation.

[Tintin]

Just a bit of history on this quote from "Serena Williams". Apparently "a" Serena Williams picked up this quote from Gina Torres at the beginning of June when it went viral but this is not Serena the tennis star but just a random person who shares the same name, Whoever wrote it, I think is really spot on with her analysis of the current situation.

Ah, Jill, that's great. Yes, I'd made that assumption, clearly! Thanks for that :)

:focus:

[ClearWater]

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The Right To Hate - Chris McGlade
"A poem to all the globalists in the world that have devided us and conquered us for so long, and who are trying to do so more than ever now."

[Wind]

War and Spirituality (Is Violence Necessary To Change the World?)

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[AuCo]

Harvard grad fired from dream job for threatening anyone saying "All lives matter": https://www.newsweek.com/all-lives-matter-claira-janover-tiktok-deloitte-1514930

Bill, I think you are safe, buddy. ;)

[Mike]

Harvard grad fired from dream job for threatening anyone saying "All lives matter": https://www.newsweek.com/all-lives-matter-claira-janover-tiktok-deloitte-1514930

Bill, I think you are safe, buddy. ;)


Thank God. Someone is finally showing some balls.

This lady is a total psycho. She has that wonky look of ideological possession. You can see it from a mile away. It's the look an entitled child has just before launching into a temper tantrum.

[Gracy]

More ridiculous stuff that gets us lost in the weeds. Now we're going after old tv shows like Golden Girls for putting mud packs on their faces, and cancelling Dukes of Hazzard reruns because of the General Lee. I used to love that show!

This is interesting from John Schneider "Luke Duke":
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[Mike]

Harvard grad fired from dream job for threatening anyone saying "All lives matter": https://www.newsweek.com/all-lives-matter-claira-janover-tiktok-deloitte-1514930

Bill, I think you are safe, buddy. ;)


Thank God. Someone is finally showing some balls.

This lady is a total psycho. She has that wonky look of ideological possession. You can see it from a mile away. It's the look an entitled child has just before launching into a temper tantrum.

Love this dude. Few more thoughts on this lady who threatened to stab anyone who says "all lives matter".

About 6 minutes long.


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[Mike]

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Another prominent black American who is calling bullsh!t on BLM. 27 minutes long.

[rgray222]

Harvard Grad Loses 'Dream Job' After Threatening To 'Stab' Anyone Saying 'All Lives Matter'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKaAQU6qUDw

After the clip went viral, Janover updated followers on the “insane” reaction to her video. “People are reporting me for domestic terrorism, tagging the FBI, Harvard, Cambridge police,” Janover said, claiming her original video was an “analogous joke”.

“Apparently I’m threatening the lives of others, unlike cops obviously,” Janover added.

Janover also went on Twitter to say that she will not be “silenced, shamed, or threatened into silence by bigoted [T]rump fans who don’t understand analogies”.


The New York Post later reported that Janover claimed in a new video that she had lost her job at Deloitte, a UK-based accounting firm.

“I know this is what Trump supporters wanted,” Janover said, holding back tears.

“The job that I had worked really hard to get and meant a lot to me just called me and fired me because of everything,” Janoever said referring to her original video.

“I’m still not going to stop talking about and defending Black Lives Matter, you can’t take away my spirit, by devotion for human rights,” Janover concluded.

Janoever reportedly graduated from Harvard University in May with a degree in government and psychology.

[Bill Ryan]

This is Dr Leslie Neal-Boylan, who was appointed Dean of Nursing at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell 10 months ago.

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/1050935/width238/Neal-Boylan_Leslie-800_tcm18-313259.jpg

On 2 June, she sent an email to the Solomont School of Nursing, which began like this:

Dear SSON Community,
I am writing to express my concern and condemnation of the recent (and past) acts of violence against people of color. Recent events recall a tragic history of racism and bias that continue to thrive in this country. I despair for our future as a nation if we do not stand up against violence against anyone. BLACK LIVES MATTER, but also, EVERYONE’S LIFE MATTERS. No one should have to live in fear that they will be targeted for how they look or what they believe.

(The tweet below contains the full text. It's a great message.)
The email was immediately denounced by someone named Haley. Haley wrote:

An upsetting statement made by the Dean of Nursing at UMass Lowell, including the statement ‘all lives matter’ was uncalled for and shows the narrow minded people in lead positions. A sad day to be a nursing student at UML. Dean Leslie Neal-Boylan your words will not be forgotten.


https://twitter.com/psychohighrep/status/1268655548322516992

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On 19 June, Dr Leslie Neal-Boylan was fired from her job.

:flower:

See also this thread:


Former Social Justice Warrior Explains Why Social Justice Is All About Power And Control (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111381-Former-Social-Justice-Warrior-Explains-Why-Social-Justice-Is-All-About-Power-And-Control)

This is the thought-police future that America is accelerating directly towards.

[Franny]

Just finished listening to this discussion between Karlyn Borysenko and Helen Pluckrose on "The Inherent Flaws of White Fragility". They take a deep dive into the book, the practice and it's effect on individuals, relationships and society.

I had ignored the book for a long time as I was not feeling particularly fragile, then as I looked into it I found I did not resonate with the ideas that as a whiteish person I'm inherently racist and must admit that I am.

The discussion covers the main ideas in the book and looks for balance with the problems we still face as a society.

My thoughts on race and humanity is not so much black lives matter/all lives matter as honoring and respecting all Life in all it's manifestations. Though I admit I have a bit of a problem with fire ants...

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[Bill Ryan]

I had ignored the book (https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414) for a long time as I was not feeling particularly fragile, then as I looked into it I found I did not resonate with the ideas that as a whiteish person I'm inherently racist and must admit that I am.
Well, you said that very mildly! This is illogical, cultish, ideological garbage. I'm comfortable stating that strongly.

Many grounded people with an unobscured view of all this may have to start speaking out and saying things clearly and loudly. At least no-one's going to fire me from my job. :)

But I loved your description of yourself. :bigsmile: Whiteish Lives Matter might confuse all the algorithms. Maybe we should adopt that?

Pink Lives Matter, Brown Lives Matter, Human Lives Matter, All Lives Matter. It's not possible to disagree unless one is oneself a racist.

[Dorjezigzag]

Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

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[ClearWater]

I'm at a loss as to what to even say about all of this. When saying that all human lives matter is treated as more racist than saying that a particular race's lives matter, something has gone seriously wrong. I remember being in elementary school and having 'opposite days' with friends, where we would say the opposite of everything we meant. I feel like every day is 'opposite day' right now. It's really disheartening.

[Catsquotl]

Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

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This is as idiotic and manipulative as whome ever you blame for doing the same thing. But I guess as it's comedy it is ok.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm at a loss as to what to even say about all of this. When saying that all human lives matter is treated as more racist than saying that a particular race's lives matter, something has gone seriously wrong. I remember being in elementary school and having 'opposite days' with friends, where we would say the opposite of everything we meant. I feel like every day is 'opposite day' right now. It's really disheartening.We're in a kind of Orwellian, Alice-in-Wonderland, inverted reality right now. The list below may be just the tip of the iceberg.


white = racist and/or white supremacist
violent rioters and looters = protestors protected by 1st amendment rights
all lives matter = hate speech
catastrophic economic impact = rising stock market
mob rule, witch-hunting and censorship = social justice
>200% increase in NYC shootings = defund the police
... and everyone is compliant, whether they know it or not.

[Bill Ryan]

Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

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This is as idiotic and manipulative as whome ever you blame for doing the same thing. But I guess as it's comedy it is ok.~~~

Go to 9:13—10:34. Ignore the rest, if you prefer.

That's 1 minute, 21 seconds of a phenomenon that may be quite important to witness.

No comedy [satire] there. Nothing at all to laugh at. That's straight on, hard-to-believe stuff that's really very sobering.

:focus:

[Catsquotl]

Go to 9:13—10:34. Ignore the rest, if you prefer.

That's 1 minute, 21 seconds of a phenomenon that may be quite important to witness.

No comedy [satire] there. Nothing at all to laugh at. That's straight on, hard-to-believe stuff that's really very sobering.

:focus:

I agree, I do think though that the video as it is serves no other purpose than to ridicule the current state of things and if conversation is the way to steer clear from the horrific future that is painted in the other 12 minutes of the video it is missing the mark by miles.

[AutumnW]

Yeah, this is nuts, part of the decoy psi-op, though unwittingly so. The real fragility in Canada is experienced by native Indians being beaten up by the police and getting away with it. When power is expressed in super precious terms while basically ignoring violent threats and actual violence, there is a huge problem.

Modern white Canadians aren't racist but their police forces often are. It is a small exclusive club and we are only now starting to recognize it and address it on a national level...all due to black lives matter and the protests down South. They have made a difference.

[Jayke]

‘When you realise you’ve joined the wrong movement’

:flower::ROFL::clapping:

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[Bill Ryan]

Here are some black lives that mattered.

I copy this as a direct extract from Wade Frazier's most recent post, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1364777&viewfull=1#post1364777).

~~~
The Kibeho massacre (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#kibeho) [in Rwanda: a Wiki article is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibeho_massacre)] was committed by Paul Kagame’s troops, and about 8,000 people were slaughtered – men- women, children, and the elderly – and it might have been more. About the only reason that we know about this is because 32 Australians witnessed it, as they were on UN assignment.

They estimated the death toll, and they said that they were lucky to be alive, once Kagame’s men knew they were recording the incident, and their count was cut short. The Australians also thought that their presence stopped the slaughter from becoming more like 100,000 people, which was the camp’s population at the time.

Those Hutu refugees were a small portion of Kagame’s slaughters, which run into the millions (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#drc), but he is feted in the West as some kind of hero, and has photo ops with the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Gates (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/80-Vaccination/page2?p=2184&viewfull=1#post2184). Ed wrote that Kagame may be the greatest living mass murderer (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#kagame).

In the wake of that massacre, Kagame rejected all attempts for an international investigation, and picked his own team of “investigators” who concluded that less than 400 people died in the massacre. That count is about as credible as the ballot counts in Kagame’s “elections (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#elections).” The “forensics” on those slaughtered people amounted to little more than bulldozing their bodies into mass graves. They were the standard “unworthy victims (http://ahealedplanet.net/wikiprop.htm#predictions).”

The Kibeho massacre was merely a footnote to the slaughter of millions of people, but almost nobody in the West knows about Kibeho or the millions of others who were slaughtered by Kagame’s forces.

[shaberon]

Tons of Kagame's slaughters were inflicted with machetes and clubs. The lack of guns generally relegates people to doing things the old fashioned way.


I am not sure how to clean the double-speak off the world. No one listens to me. "Official party" has billions of always-on mouthpieces. If someone was to say it to my face, I would probably make them cry. But again, in my experience, the somewhat normal thing of real conversations went out with 9/11. This point in time is a practically new generation where not only is the mutedness "normal", but it is like getting more Al Gore as supreme dictator in a subconscious monologue. Remember his wife, "Tipper"? She specifically went on tv to explain to us how Def Leppard's Pyromania album was going to make an arsonist of the listener.

Even though we rebuked her and every other plastic copy of her, I am not seeing "Rock of Ages" having much to do with what we witness as arson. Rather, it seems more to be her and her husband's kiddies! What happened here??

Then they compromised with all that PG-13 stuff and so forth. Of course, it was a fake solution to a non-problem, while, indeed, violent plots were carried out elsewhere.

They made Ice-T remove "Cop Killer" from his album...pretty straightforward censorship over a "sensitive issue". So there is already this kind of generational history with censorship entwined with whatever "politically correct" is supposed to be. It's more detailed and extreme now, but, apparently the same entity as it was then.

[Dorjezigzag]

Here are some black lives that mattered.

I copy this as a direct extract from Wade Frazier's most recent post, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1364777&viewfull=1#post1364777).

~~~
The Kibeho massacre (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#kibeho) [in Rwanda: a Wiki article is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibeho_massacre)] was committed by Paul Kagame’s troops, and about 8,000 people were slaughtered – men- women, children, and the elderly – and it might have been more. About the only reason that we know about this is because 32 Australians witnessed it, as they were on UN assignment.

They estimated the death toll, and they said that they were lucky to be alive, once Kagame’s men knew they were recording the incident, and their count was cut short. The Australians also thought that their presence stopped the slaughter from becoming more like 100,000 people, which was the camp’s population at the time.

Those Hutu refugees were a small portion of Kagame’s slaughters, which run into the millions (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#drc), but he is feted in the West as some kind of hero, and has photo ops with the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Gates (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/80-Vaccination/page2?p=2184&viewfull=1#post2184). Ed wrote that Kagame may be the greatest living mass murderer (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#kagame).

In the wake of that massacre, Kagame rejected all attempts for an international investigation, and picked his own team of “investigators” who concluded that less than 400 people died in the massacre. That count is about as credible as the ballot counts in Kagame’s “elections (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#elections).” The “forensics” on those slaughtered people amounted to little more than bulldozing their bodies into mass graves. They were the standard “unworthy victims (http://ahealedplanet.net/wikiprop.htm#predictions).”

The Kibeho massacre was merely a footnote to the slaughter of millions of people, but almost nobody in the West knows about Kibeho or the millions of others who were slaughtered by Kagame’s forces.


The Pygmy race is a race that is under threat in Africa. Around the world other unique races are under threat. Including the Ainu and the Sami.

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[Catsquotl]

Racism is bad everywhere. Curious though how the killing of George Floyd and the demonization of the phrase all lives matter suddenly turns to Rwandees racism.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I believe we are now in the end game of Identity Politics. One of the most important things to understand about Identity Politics is how counter-productive it truly is (was) to the goal of increasing diversity. It doesn't increase diversity though, it merely denotes it. By focusing on the things that divide us, we become naturally less united. This was predictable in the beginning, it should be self-evident to everyone now.

Real diversity is found in individuality, in individual traits, regardless and in spite of race, gender, or anything else. The data shows, the studies prove, that if you randomly select two average white men, the difference between them is absolutely no different the vast majority of the time than one average white man and one average black man. But identity politics would separate black and white merely because they are black and white. And that is racist.

No spiritual person could possibly be racist, not when they understand that if they are white they were once black (and may be again), or if they are black they were once white, or Asian, or Aborigine - or male or female, tall or short, or whatever. The colour of skin we show is no more significant than the colour of sweater we wear. Because we are not that sweater, any more than we are that skin. We are souls. There is no Identity Politics in heaven.

The bottom line is, the difference between the races or the sexes or the sexualities, is vanishingly smaller than the differences between the personality traits of the same given individuals in these so-called identity groups. This means there is more diversity WITHIN the groups than between groups. So now don't you see it's all a sham? It's also a plot, a plan, a psy-op. IP was never meant to combat hatred or division, but generate it.

Do people not recall the famous quote: "I have a dream that my children will be judged not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character"?

Identity Politics turned this upside down by what it preached. Since the sixties we have arrived at: "I have a dream that my children will be judged not by the content of their character, but the colour of their skin, by their sexuality or their gender, their religion or their nationality or their political stance, by this, by that, by the other thing..." This is not simply prejudice, this is post-modernist philosophy at work. It is no more than loosely veiled intellectual satanism.

Where do we stand right now? At critical mass, on the event horizon of the whole bloody mess made by this demonstrably harmful doctrine. Society is reaping what it has sown, or rather what (bad seeds) have been sown by design into its fabric.

We are witnessing one coordinated flashpoint after another now, in order to stoke up more emotion and more hatred.

Don't get me wrong, racism certainly exists, but in only in those who are racist. They're just racists. Forget them. Many can't be changed, many won't be. Walk away. It's their path and they will find the light in their own time, in this life or the next. For the rest of us though, the racism card is being thrust in our faces and rammed down our throats. That most people aren't racist is irrelevant. The media mob are mostly to blame, by proxy of the cruel and selfish people who run this planet. They're using race as a weapon to beat us with. They want to keep driving us into more and more divided groups, keeping us therefore living more and more divided lives, in doubt and suspicion and fear of each other. Again, the more 'diverse' we are the less united. It's perfect for 'them'. It stands to reason, to absolute bloody reason, at least to anyone still able to reason! What we may be confronted with here is an orchestrated attempt to tear the very structure of society itself apart, not just in America but all across the west, maybe across the whole world. The madness needs to stop now before it is too late. Otherwise, when all is said and done, people will welcome the globalist 'final solution' with open arms, and on a silver platter hand over their freedom, their liberty, and their sovereignty, quite unknowingly to the very same powers that engineered the destruction in the first place.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

The genocide in Rwanda was not racist (as all the people involved were the same race) It was tribal.. Europeans and Middle Easterners have killed for hundreds of years over religion. The problem is Not always racism- it is our tendency towards tribalism and the demonization of the “other”.

[Bill Ryan]

Racism is bad everywhere. Curious though how the killing of George Floyd and the demonization of the phrase all lives matter suddenly turns to Rwandees racism.No, no racism there, as ahamkara correctly said in her post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter&p=1364978&viewfull=1#post1364978). That wasn't my point.

I wanted to draw the attention of Americans reading this, who might have been unaware, to recent major problems in Africa in which over a million black people were slaughtered like cattle. So many died that at some points the rivers were literally running with blood.

And that's not the only African blood-spilling crisis that could have been listed, either. There have been many others.

All Lives Matter. That's the title of the thread.

Not just black lives in America. We need context, proportion, perspective, historical understanding, and a view of the whole world from 120,000 ft.

No-one cared about what happened in Rwanda, because it wasn't politically expedient. Nothing useful could be leveraged from it. It may be useful to dwell on that just for a moment.

[Gwin Ru]

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[Bill Ryan]

This seems to have really happened. (If not, please post a correction.)


https://newsbreak.com/indiana/indianapolis/news/0PaJKe03/young-mom-24-shot-dead-after-telling-black-lives-matter-protesters-all-lives-matter-during-argument-about-movement

Young mom, 24, shot dead ‘after telling Black Lives Matter protesters “all lives matter” during argument about movement’

https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/3NeDok_0PaJKe0300?type=webp_1024x576

A young mom was shot dead in Indianapolis in front of her fiancé after an argument about the Black Lives Matter movement. Jessica Doty Whitaker was walking with her partner Jose Ramirez and two friends at 3am on July 5 when they came across four men and a woman and an argument broke out.

[Matthew]

"All lives matter" is controversial. Zuby has a rant about why he thinks this is wrong

edit: previous video link by Zuby was broken, so I removed that one and replaced it with his latest blog... sort of works :/

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[Bill Ryan]

All Lives Matter debate reached the cricketing world yesterday, when a new one-day tournament was held in South Africa, the first in many months due to lockdowns. South Africa has many black cricketers, some of them celebrities and truly world-class.

But the players who attended the event, both current and retired, were split about whether to "take the knee" in support of BLM. Some did, and some didn't.

Those that chose not to took their own separate stand in support of the many white South African farmers that have been murdered at the hands of blacks. That's a big issue there, with no end in sight.

Here's the article (one of many, easily found), and the title says it all.


https://indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/lungi-ngidi-black-lives-matter-slammed-south-africa-boeta-dippenaar-pat-symcox-rudy-steyn-1698833-2020-07-09

Lungi Ngidi slammed for support to Black Lives Matter: All lives matter, say former South Africa cricketers

[Bill Ryan]

From Zero Hedge. The bold emphasis is all in the original article. I placed the report here because of the All Lives Matter reference in the third paragraph, for which one Cisco employee was fired.


https://zerohedge.com/political/cisco-fires-employees-question-black-lives-matter-during-company-wide-racism-discussion

Cisco Fires Employees That Question Black Lives Matter During Company-Wide Racism Discussion

18 July, 2020

In early June, dutifully doing its part to virtue signal along with the rest of the world, Cisco Systems hosted an "all hands on deck" meeting on race, hosted via videoconference. In the comments of the online forum, visible to everyone, some workers questioned the Black Lives Matter movement and were subsequently fired from their jobs, proving once again that you can have an opinion, as long as it's the right opinion.

Chief Executive Officer Chuck Robbins talked with Ford Foundation President Darren Walker, who is Black, and Bryan Stevenson, a Black lawyer and author who founded the Equal Justice Initiative, during the company's June 1 meeting in front of 30,000 employees, according to Bloomberg (https://www.bloombergquint.com/technology/cisco-fires-workers-for-racial-comments-during-diversity-forum).

Several people spoke out online against Black Lives Matter during these online forums. For example, one employee wrote: “Black lives don’t matter. All lives matter,” while another wrote that BLM "reinforces racism". A third employee commented: “People who complain about racism probably have been a racist somewhere else to people from another race or part of systematic oppression in their own community!”

Cisco says it fired a "handful" of workers for "inappropriate conduct" because it won't tolerate racism. It also, apparently, won't tolerate its employees opinions.

The "incident" at Cisco (read: people expressing well reasoned opinions) has been a microcosm of similar situations at other silicon valley companies, who are left to try and figure out how to posture to the public they are concerned about racism, while at the same time not laying off their entire staff. Some believe that protests at companies could be next if employees aren't "trained" to think the right way.

Kristen Clarke, the president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said: “Employers should be striving for zero tolerance when it comes to racism and discrimination, period. The protests we’ve seen in the streets have become part of our new normal and will eventually make their way inside workplaces if employers fail to meet the moment.”

Cisco said that ultimately 237 comments of the 10,400 made during the videoconference "objected to what was being presented", while the majority of comments praised management. On the video call, Cisco's CEO was announcing a $5 million donation to "groups combating racism".

Francine Katsoudas, Cisco’s executive vice president and chief people officer, said: “I just felt sad to see it. I felt a ton of empathy. I knew that for the African-American and Black employees that were in the meeting, that it was heartbreaking to see that.”

She then tried to backtrack and justify the firings because they weren't considered "legitimate debate". Katsoudas said: “You have a framework where red absolutely is crossing the line. But if someone has a question or they don’t understand something, there’s a way for them to ask that question. We went through and just placed things on that spectrum.”

The remarks were apparently so offensive they were "seared in the minds of some Black employees," according to Bloomberg. One employee commented: “Wow…and these people work at Cisco?” If they are bold enough to say those things at work for all to see, imagine what is said behind closed doors.”

Yeah, it could be <gasp> differing opinions!

“We still have work to do as a nation. I pray my daughters have a better world to live in soon,” another employee said.

Meanwhile, we pray our children have a world where their first amendment right hasn't completely disintegrated over the next few years. But with the direction things are moving, it doesn't look promising...

[Antagenet]

I am sure that my life matters
and your life matters.

I am also absolutely convinced
my life does not matter to the controllers, the cabal, the so called elites, the central bank, the carnivorous system.
My illness and compliance matter much more to them.
I opt out everywhere I possibly can.

My life matters. I am not for sale. I will not comply.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's an important report from South Africa: (12 August is today)


https://saupdates.co.za/news/crime/alert-revolution-movement-threatens-white-south-africans-on-12-aug

ALERT: “Revolution movement” threatens white South Africans on 12 Aug

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A group calling themselves “Jozi to Stellenbosch” has made threats for the “disruption of white privilege”. The group scheduled the riot for the 12th of August 2020.

On Facebook the group said “The mighty Pan Africanist Congress of Ntate Sobukwe says we must continue where they left off in 1960”.

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The organization also stated that the riot will continue till “death”.
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The Stellenbosch municipality issued a statement on Facebook:
The Municipality has taken note of the threats of protest, violence and intimidation made by a group who call themselves “Jozi to Stellenbosch”.
The Municipality supports the right of any individual to protest but with this right, comes the inherent responsibility to do so peacefully. The threats of violence, destruction and intimidation in the run-up to this protest action is a cause for great concern. The protest action is allegedly planned for Wednesday, 12 August.
We are in contact with the South African Police Service (SAPS) who are monitoring the situation and will act against any individual found guilty of violence or the destruction of property. Our municipal law enforcement officers together with our Stellenbosch Safety Initiative (SSI) partners have been placed on high alert and will be providing support to SAPS to ensure law and order.
We advise residents and visitors to the Stellenbosch area to remain vigilant and stay safe on the roads. Details on any possible road closure will be shared as and when we receive this information.
The group on Facebook mentioned that they will be dangerous to anyone “that is unfair to us”.

Other organizations waged their support for the riot.

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The party made a statement on Twitter earlier before the start of the riot:

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Currently being posted on their Facebook:

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Edit: The current situation

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[Eva2]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1894123587342058&set=a.1154051018015989

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[Eva2]

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Thank you for sorting this out - I'm hopeless with technology. And, thank you to Frank V for a previous fix.

[Eva2]

There seems to be a new "buzz" phrase trending - "Say His Name" - after the murder of a 5 year old boy which is being declared a racial crime. However, this crime is scarcely covered by the media. Many feel this tragedy would have been front page news everywhere if the child was a different colour. Maybe another group is being created to throw into this toxic mix of groups, growing, morphing and spreading. (I haven't clicked on "post" yet - am hoping this link will show up ok.)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/sayhisname-trends-after-media-refuse-to-report-on-alleged-murder-of-5-year-old-cannon-hinnant?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR14Cy1zNCcqaV8haSigaBsBisufCUVQyo_DKLQrHNC589BdGOctcCNknp0

[Tintin]

The US Justice Department released this yesterday:

Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites in Undergraduate Admissions in Violation of Federal Civil-Rights Laws

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, August 13, 2020



The Department of Justice today notified Yale University of its findings that Yale illegally discriminates against Asian American and white applicants in its undergraduate admissions process in violation of Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The findings are the result of a two-year investigation in response to a complaint by Asian American groups concerning Yale’s conduct.

“There is no such thing as a nice form of race discrimination,” said Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband for the Civil Rights Division. “Unlawfully dividing Americans into racial and ethnic blocs fosters stereotypes, bitterness, and division. It is past time for American institutions to recognize that all people should be treated with decency and respect and without unlawful regard to the color of their skin. In 1890, Frederick Douglass explained that the ‘business of government is to hold its broad shield over all and to see that every American citizen is alike and equally protected in his civil and personal rights.’ The Department of Justice agrees and will continue to fight for the civil rights of all people throughout our nation.”

As a condition of receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, Yale expressly agrees to comply with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a cornerstone civil-rights law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin in programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance.

The Department of Justice found Yale discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year. For the great majority of applicants, Asian Americans and whites have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials. Yale rejects scores of Asian American and white applicants each year based on their race, whom it otherwise would admit.

Although the Supreme Court has held that colleges receiving federal funds may consider applicants’ race in certain limited circumstances as one of a number of factors, the Department of Justice found Yale’s use of race is anything but limited. Yale uses race at multiple steps of its admissions process resulting in a multiplied effect of race on an applicant’s likelihood of admission, and Yale racially balances its classes.

The Department of Justice has demanded Yale agree not to use race or national origin in its upcoming 2020-2021 undergraduate admissions cycle, and, if Yale proposes to consider race or national origin in future admissions cycles, it must first submit to the Department of Justice a plan demonstrating its proposal is narrowly tailored as required by law, including by identifying a date for the end of race discrimination.

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Attachment(s):
Download Notice Letter (https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1304591/download)

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[Bill Ryan]

I think MLK would be regarded as "problematic" by the BLM social justice crowd if he were around today (*Mike wanly smiles*). I think Muhammad Ali would too, sadly. I'm pretty sure that Muhammad Ali would be among the very first to insist that All Lives Matter. :flower:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Uh-oh, this is a Mandela effect moment. Could've sworn up and down that Muhammed Ali was still alive. I just checked, and it says he died in 2016. Holy cow, I totally missed that (or just forgot).

[Anka]

I moved a lot of firewood, alone in one night as I save a rat shouting below. I have friends who raised rats mom with whole families over the winter and in the spring released them.:heart:
It is a real event, not a contention, unfortunately, we must respect all forms of life as life respects us, yet! But unfortunately we have started to destroy more and more something that can no longer be created again.

"Time is no important only life"

[atman]

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[TargeT]

So.. this is VERY typical of insurgency, in fact it's like a page from the US's own book........

I find it EXTREMELY obvious... i hope others do.

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[atman]

I never imagined that I would try and bring "positive" attention to a video from CNN...

But this one here is not Fake News (although CNN, unsurprisingly, did not have enough integrity to specify within the video or its description that the counter-protesters to the Black Lives Matter protest were there under the banner of ALL LIVES MATTER).

This happened a little over four years ago in Dallas, Texas.

You may have seen it already.

But, dare I say, we need more of this.

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A longer, unedited, video of the encounter:

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And a short article about it:

WATCH: "We're all brothers and sisters": Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter activists hug it out in Dallas (https://www.salon.com/control/2016/07/12/watch_were_all_brothers_and_sisters_black_lives_matter_and_all_lives_matter_activists_hug_it_out_in_ dallas/)

[Airelle77]

Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

That's a very, very incomplete list. All Lives Matter — and I will put that in Title Case. it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.

To put it into context, LIFE MATTERS.

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The kids right.

[rgray222]

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