Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

[AutumnW]

...is a charlatan. Read below for proof. This has nothing to do with alternative treatments, like vitamins and minerals to maintain good health. It has everything to do with taking advantage of patients in the final stage of life, dying from cancer.

I copied and pasted directly from transcript, so it won't read very smoothly. If you would like to read the whole thing, the link is down below.


The Board's evidence will show the following: Patient A, 16 a young, beloved wife and mother. She is diagnosed with 17 cervical cancer, her cancer will spread, she is dying and 18 soon she will die. 19 Patient B is a young, beloved sister and aunt. She is 20 diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Her cancer will 21 metastasize and spread throughout her body, she is dying 22 and soon she will die. 23

TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 Patient C, a young, beloved husband and father who was 1 diagnosed with adrenal cell cancer. It will later spread 2 to his liver and lungs. He too is dying and he too will 3 soon die. 4 All three of these patients are holding on to life, tumors 5 are spreading throughout their body, surgery, radiation, 6 chemotherapy have all failed to halt the progression of 7 this insidious disease. The question is not whether the 8 cancer will kill them, the question is when. 9

In these darkest of hours, Patients A, B and C will search 10 for some hope, some glimmer of hope to stave off the 11 inevitable march of their disease. 12 They will all find their way to Dr. Buttar. They came 13 to him because of some of information somewhere that led 14 them to believe that Dr. Buttar could do something about 15 their cancer.

They came with hope, they came with 16 optimism, they came in desperation. 17 The evidence will show that Dr. Buttar, and many times 18 his nurse practitioner, told these patients that they could 19 help. They can treat them, help them fight their cancers, 20 help them beat back their cancer. The evidence will show 21 that this was nothing more than an empty sales pitch. 22 What Dr. Buttar sold these five patients, these dying moms, 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050sisters, aunts, husbands and fathers, was false hope, hope 1 that he knew to be false.

The hope consisted of providing 2 therapies that were not only not an indicator of cancer, 3 but had no basis whatsoever in science or any evidence 4 that it would be effective against cancer. 5 Patients A, B and C all had Stage IV metastatic cancer. 6 7 Cancer is somewhat of a misnomer as you may know. It is 8 a single term that describes hundreds of thousands of 9 different types of malignancies and diseases.

Cancer is 10 a disease with an energy in molecular biology that has 11 baffled the leading scientists and researchers of the 20th 12 and 21st Centuries. Billions of dollars going into 13 research, thousands of the best and brightest minds 14 dedicated to its eradication and yet despite significant 15 strides made in the war against cancer, these many diseases 16 with a single name still persists.

It still persists 17 robbing us of our loved ones, our parents, our children, 18 our brothers and sisters. 19 The Board's evidence will show that despite the fact that 20 cancer has baffled the world's best and brightest, Dr. 21 Buttar and his nurse practitioner have the answers. The 22 answer, hydrogen peroxide. But not just hydrogen 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050peroxide, the common household solution, but also therapy 1 such as ozone, intravenous vitamins and minerals, trigger 2 point injections, chelation therapy and hyperbaric 3 chambers. 4

. 17 However, in reality, the Board's evidence will show that 18 these therapies will not fight cancer. They have no effect 19 on cancer whatsoever. None. They are not effective. 20 They are not science or evidenced based therapies. They have 21 not been subjected or proven to work at any clinical trial. 22 23

TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 They have not been found to have any effect singularly 1 or in combination with any other therapies provided by 2 Dr. Buttar on cancer. They are useless and ineffective. 3

And the evidence will show that these fraudulent therapies 11 have been enormously profitable to Dr. Buttar. Dr. 12 Buttar's therapies are administered to patients while he's 13 out of the office by his nurse practitioner and nurses 14 because he is out of his office and quite frequently, costs 15 in excess of $1,000 a day. 16

Patients A, B and C will all have paid in excess of tens 17 of thousands of dollars to Dr. Buttar before they died. 18 And when Patients B and C became disaffected with the 19 care they received from Dr. Buttar and stopped paying him, 20 Dr. Buttar turned over their accounts to collection 21 agencies even after they died.

22 In the case of Patient C, Dr. Buttar will refer a $6,700 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050balance to a collection agency who in turn proceeded to 1 collect in excessive of $20,000 from Patient C's estate. 2 Dr. Buttar proceeded to collect in excess of $19,000 from 3 Patient B's estate. 4 The records of all five patients will show a distinct 5 pattern.

Patients are not examined or followed by Dr. 6 Buttar. All five patients, not just the cancer patients, 7 were seen primarily in some instances exclusively by Dr. 8 Buttar's nurse practitioner. 9 Dr. Buttar would order numerous tests and lab work that 10 had no rational medical relationship to the patient's 11 cancer diagnosis.

Many tests and labs that were ordered 12 by Dr. Buttar were never adequately justified, never linked 13 to the patient's diagnosis or clinical condition. 14 There is no evidence that any of the extensive tests and 15 lab work were used for treatment decisions. And despite 16 the fact that cancer is a heterogenous disease, Patients 17 A, B and C were treated with an indistinguishable arbitrary 18 protocol as if one size fits all.

https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/quackwatch/casewatch/depos/buttar_hearing.pdf

[DeDukshyn]

If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".

[Ioneo]

Doctor Rashid Buttar has been one of the few doctors that have been strongly voicing their opinions about how the whole pandemic was a scam. From the beginning. With facts and data.

Is it any wonder that THEY would want to discredit him?

[DaveToo]

...is a charlatan. Read below for proof. This has nothing to do with alternative treatments, like vitamins and minerals to maintain good health. It has everything to do with taking advantage of patients in the final stage of life, dying from cancer.

I copied and pasted directly from transcript, so it won't read very smoothly. If you would like to read the whole thing, the link is down below.


The Board's evidence will show the following: Patient A, 16 a young, beloved wife and mother. She is diagnosed with 17 cervical cancer, her cancer will spread, she is dying and 18 soon she will die. 19 Patient B is a young, beloved sister and aunt. She is 20 diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Her cancer will 21 metastasize and spread throughout her body, she is dying 22 and soon she will die. 23

TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 Patient C, a young, beloved husband and father who was 1 diagnosed with adrenal cell cancer. It will later spread 2 to his liver and lungs. He too is dying and he too will 3 soon die. 4 All three of these patients are holding on to life, tumors 5 are spreading throughout their body, surgery, radiation, 6 chemotherapy have all failed to halt the progression of 7 this insidious disease. The question is not whether the 8 cancer will kill them, the question is when. 9

In these darkest of hours, Patients A, B and C will search 10 for some hope, some glimmer of hope to stave off the 11 inevitable march of their disease. 12 They will all find their way to Dr. Buttar. They came 13 to him because of some of information somewhere that led 14 them to believe that Dr. Buttar could do something about 15 their cancer.

They came with hope, they came with 16 optimism, they came in desperation. 17 The evidence will show that Dr. Buttar, and many times 18 his nurse practitioner, told these patients that they could 19 help. They can treat them, help them fight their cancers, 20 help them beat back their cancer. The evidence will show 21 that this was nothing more than an empty sales pitch. 22 What Dr. Buttar sold these five patients, these dying moms, 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050sisters, aunts, husbands and fathers, was false hope, hope 1 that he knew to be false.

The hope consisted of providing 2 therapies that were not only not an indicator of cancer, 3 but had no basis whatsoever in science or any evidence 4 that it would be effective against cancer. 5 Patients A, B and C all had Stage IV metastatic cancer. 6 7 Cancer is somewhat of a misnomer as you may know. It is 8 a single term that describes hundreds of thousands of 9 different types of malignancies and diseases.

Cancer is 10 a disease with an energy in molecular biology that has 11 baffled the leading scientists and researchers of the 20th 12 and 21st Centuries. Billions of dollars going into 13 research, thousands of the best and brightest minds 14 dedicated to its eradication and yet despite significant 15 strides made in the war against cancer, these many diseases 16 with a single name still persists.

It still persists 17 robbing us of our loved ones, our parents, our children, 18 our brothers and sisters. 19 The Board's evidence will show that despite the fact that 20 cancer has baffled the world's best and brightest, Dr. 21 Buttar and his nurse practitioner have the answers. The 22 answer, hydrogen peroxide. But not just hydrogen 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050peroxide, the common household solution, but also therapy 1 such as ozone, intravenous vitamins and minerals, trigger 2 point injections, chelation therapy and hyperbaric 3 chambers. 4

. 17 However, in reality, the Board's evidence will show that 18 these therapies will not fight cancer. They have no effect 19 on cancer whatsoever. None. They are not effective. 20 They are not science or evidenced based therapies. They have 21 not been subjected or proven to work at any clinical trial. 22 23

TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 They have not been found to have any effect singularly 1 or in combination with any other therapies provided by 2 Dr. Buttar on cancer. They are useless and ineffective. 3

And the evidence will show that these fraudulent therapies 11 have been enormously profitable to Dr. Buttar. Dr. 12 Buttar's therapies are administered to patients while he's 13 out of the office by his nurse practitioner and nurses 14 because he is out of his office and quite frequently, costs 15 in excess of $1,000 a day. 16

Patients A, B and C will all have paid in excess of tens 17 of thousands of dollars to Dr. Buttar before they died. 18 And when Patients B and C became disaffected with the 19 care they received from Dr. Buttar and stopped paying him, 20 Dr. Buttar turned over their accounts to collection 21 agencies even after they died.

22 In the case of Patient C, Dr. Buttar will refer a $6,700 23
TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050balance to a collection agency who in turn proceeded to 1 collect in excessive of $20,000 from Patient C's estate. 2 Dr. Buttar proceeded to collect in excess of $19,000 from 3 Patient B's estate. 4 The records of all five patients will show a distinct 5 pattern.

Patients are not examined or followed by Dr. 6 Buttar. All five patients, not just the cancer patients, 7 were seen primarily in some instances exclusively by Dr. 8 Buttar's nurse practitioner. 9 Dr. Buttar would order numerous tests and lab work that 10 had no rational medical relationship to the patient's 11 cancer diagnosis.

Many tests and labs that were ordered 12 by Dr. Buttar were never adequately justified, never linked 13 to the patient's diagnosis or clinical condition. 14 There is no evidence that any of the extensive tests and 15 lab work were used for treatment decisions. And despite 16 the fact that cancer is a heterogenous disease, Patients 17 A, B and C were treated with an indistinguishable arbitrary 18 protocol as if one size fits all.

https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/quackwatch/casewatch/depos/buttar_hearing.pdf

Wow Autumn this will certainly not help your reputation here at Avalon.
Is this all you've got to discredit Dr. Buttar?

What else is it that you don't like about him?
I am asking specifically about his views about Covid-19 etc.?
Perhaps the ones that don't fall in line with your views?

[AutumnW]

First off, Buttar is NOT a cancer doctor. He is an osteopath -- something like a chiropractor or physiotherapist. Secondly, if he was promoting natural cures to people who didn't want to go the mainstream way, that's up to them. But holding out false hope to end stage cancer victims with unproven and untested therapies is not cool -- because nothing short of a miracle is going to help at that point. It is cheaper to pray.

This is the dude who is cited by some as being an expert on Covid 19? That's messed up. He would not have the background required and it looks like his ethics are poor.

As far as discrediting him because of his stance on Covid-- this board censure document is about 10 years old.

[AutumnW]

Davetoo,

I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire.

As far as not making myself popular? I would rather call it as I see it and post what I think is helpful than cater to a desire to be popular. Popularity is not a desired goal of mine.

[DaveToo]

Davetoo,

I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire. .

Well if he can hold his own in the company of RFK Jr., Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Dr. Tenpenny and Del Bigtree in a round table discussion he's good enough for me.

I want you to point to any statements he has made specifically about Covid-19 that you disagree with.

It takes a lot of gumption to start a thread smearing a doctor's reputation on the basis of a couple of links you looked up on the net.

[Kryztian]

https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/quackwatch/casewatch/depos/buttar_hearing.pdf

Kind of impossible to make any sense out of this article but that generally seems to be the case with most of what I read at quackwatch.com. It's been about a decade since I've looked at this site, but my sense of it at time was that if you wanted to be a writer for them, the qualifications were:

1) An absolute loathing for any type of health or healing doesn't make big pharma and the medical industry gazillions of dollars.
2) The ability to find negative statements about healing modalities and practitioners on the internet and parse them into a word salad that makes them sound like a vampire snake oil salesman
3) Positively no direct experience into any type of alternative healing and no interest in hearing otherwise, but determination to declare your self an expert on the matter.
4) The belief the big pharma and big medicine is all about helping mankind and any one who works at a health food store or gives $40/hour Reiki sessions is a scam artist in it for the money.

You aren't going to find an entry for Bill Gates on quackwatch.com . He's probably financing it.

I am not one to instantly dismiss anything from Wikipedia or snopes.com as automatic garbage (which isn't to say they don't have biases and agendas) but quackwatch is a parade of nonsensical slanderous statement from a group of rapacious psychopathic self declared "health experts" who want every healthy person to tank up on as much chemotherapy as possible in between their weekly vaccination shots.

[AutumnW]

Kryztian,

I don't know anything about quack watch. The transcript they dug up
appears to be authentic though. That's where my interest lies. I have no personal issues with alternative methods to promote health. This has more to do with someone promising miracles and charging an arm and a leg for them when they are doomed to fail. It's unethical.
Oncologists discontinue treatment, other than palliative care, for end stage cancer.

This is kind of beside the point but... I wonder if reiki wouldn't be a wonderful treatment for end stage cancer? Reiki is kind of a miracle. So is prayer.

[AutumnW]

Davetoo, I don't know about the other people you mention but I do know Tenpenny's opinions on Covid are not the most credible but she probably means well. She isn't a highly trained scientist. I believe she might be a chiropractor. So, no. You should probably look more towards someone like Chris Martenson for his take on Covid. He has the appropriate background.

[AutumnW]

If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".

That's sad. I am so sorry to hear about your father. I think one if the too many to count problems with the cancer industry is they will treat and treat and treat, regardless of the quality of life they are imposing in the final years or months of a patienr's life. Probably the biggest hurdle to humane treatment of the dying is the doctor overcoming his OWN fear of death.

There is so much wrong here, all around. I don't trust the philosophy behind a lot of modern medicine. And I know most people are like me, which creates a huge niche in the health delivery system for predators to fill. And I think it possible Buttar is one of them.

[DeDukshyn]

If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".

That's sad. I am so sorry to hear about your father. I think one if the too many to count problems with the cancer industry is they will treat and treat and treat, regardless of the quality of life they are imposing in the final years or months of a patienr's life. Probably the biggest hurdle to humane treatment of the dying is the doctor overcoming his OWN fear of death.

There is so much wrong here, all around. I don't trust the philosophy behind a lot of modern medicine. And I know most people are like me, which creates a huge niche in the health delivery system for predators to fill. And I think it possible Buttar is one of them.

Not sure that he is, but I don't think in absolutes.

My addition was to point out that dying of cancer costs an awful lot of money --- vast sums. That said, let us not ignore who mainly profits - its not really the doctors, in the US moreso - yes, I can agree there but its not black and white.

[Kryztian]

My niece goes to Sloan Kettering and they charge about $3000 per day, three times the price of Buttar, and she is not cured, but she would have no case to sue them, and quackwatch.com would call this good science.

There are a lot of alternative cancer therapies out there and if I had cancer, that is probably the route I would go, although some of them are clearly better or worse than others. Most of them are located in Mexico, where the legal system is not run by big pharma so they would not have the same recourse to lawsuits.

Perhaps Buttar is a quack - but I don't see any real proof of that here. Just more of a system that favors the pharma-industrial complex.

[Luke Holiday]

Davetoo,

I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire.

As far as not making myself popular? I would rather call it as I see it and post what I think is helpful than cater to a desire to be popular. Popularity is not a desired goal of mine.


Could you provide the malpractice document please, also what is the date on that?

Regarding quackwatch: someone needs to layeth the quackwatch on quackwatch.

I say that because: QW has labeled homeopathic medicine as quackery. This is interesting because:

(WARNING: indulgent tangent ahead that some might find interesting...):flower:


1. John D. Rockefellar would not touch pharmaceutical drugs (even though he profited massively from muggles usage) and had his own personal fulltime homeopathic physician up until his death. '

2. The Royal family in England also has a personal Homeopathic physician and has been rumored to not use allopathic medicine, eat organic food and of course drinks the blood of young humans -allegedly .

3. The above mentioned people all lived very healthy active lives well into their 90's, Prince Phillip, who could double for Emperor Palpatine, just turned 99.

Blessings

Luke

PS: Dr. Buttar currently is a licensed Physician who owns and operates a very successful medical practice, conducts weekend educational seminars for physicians and he is well respected within his community. Personally, I don't care if he claims he is curing cancer with horse piss, as long as he can provide evidence that his tx's are safe and effective. The same goes for his stance on COV 19, lockdowns, facemask wearing and social distancing - if what he says is backed up by his experience/scientific evidence then I applaud his sacrificial efforts in speaking out. His strength, courage and oration have helped millions and he should be revered for his efforts. :).

[Franny]

To clear up any misunderstandings regarding Dr Buttar and Dr Tenpenny (not a chiropractor) being ODs, please read this short article from webmd.com on Osteopaths, which is about as mainstreams it gets:


With its big focus on preventing health problems, this field of medicine is on the rise. Never heard of it? You’ll want to get to know it, because there’s a chance that a doctor of osteopathic medicine (DO) will help take care of you.

One of the keys to this field is the idea that many diseases are due to, or cause, problems within the body's musculoskeletal system, which includes the nerves, muscles, and bones. DOs pay extra attention to how all your body parts work together in order to prevent or treat health issues. And they get special training in that.

It’s hands-on. Osteopathic doctors believe that touch can be healing. All DOs are trained in osteopathic manipulative treatment, sometimes called manual manipulation or OMT. That's a hands-on method to help diagnose and treat illnesses.

Not all DOs use it regularly in their practice, though.

But there's more to it than that. Osteopathic doctors get extra training in the musculoskeletal system. But they also learn all the other parts of modern medicine. They can prescribe medication, do surgery, run tests, and do everything else you would expect from a doctor.

It’s head to toe. Osteopathic medicine is about your whole body, not just specific parts or symptoms. So if you come in with, say, knee pain, they are likely going to look at more than your knee.

It’s on the rise. There are more than 108,000 DOs in the U.S. And more than 1 in 4 U.S. medical students are on the path to becoming a DO.

But it’s not new. Osteopathic medicine dates back more than 100 years. Its founder, Andrew Taylor Still, thought that correcting problems with the body's structure could help the body heal itself. Still, who practiced during the Civil War, believed that spine problems can send nerve signals out to all the organs and make you sick. He developed osteopathic manipulation treatments, the aim of which was to help restore the nerves to a healthy state and promote circulation so that the body could heal itself.

I used to go to an osteopath and she was the best, most comprehensive Dr I have ever been to. She, like all ODs, is Board certified, just like any MD must be in order to practice. Of course it doesn't mean all ODs are wonderful, but she was great. I was bummed when she moved to another state; she gave me a hug when she told me and said goodby. :)

I have no problem with either Buttar or Tenpenny being ODs, I find both are well informed.

[greybeard]

Autumn when you chose the title of this thread were you aware that there would have been a backlash from those who had been following deeply the virus and the various opinions on it?

I think the title of the thread lacks respect for the Doctor.

Its inappropriate because a snake oil sales man sells and then moves on, he does not remain to face the non results or results of selling a dream cure.

Dr Buttar is a man of courage and remains true to his belief regarding the virus and what lies behind the hype.

He has brought forward expert opinion on this and the wearing of face masks.
He has brought together groups of Doctors uniform in opinion that the virus is no more deadly than seasonal flu and they both kill vulnerable people.

Perhaps you might now start a thread on the good qualities of Windows founder, the financier of WHO and various inoculation programs.
Is he to be more trusted that Doctor Buttar?

Its ok to have contrary beliefs, mine change from time to time -- which is why im fond of "May be so"
Perhaps you might consider more tactful thread titles, and comments unless you like stirring it?
Which you are free to do so.
A good stir is beneficial at times.
Chris

[Feritciva]

Let me tell you about quackwatch. I was in university making my MS degree on phytotherapy when we saw quackwatch's ridiculous claims about phytotherapy & herbs with my professor. That was in late 90's. We wrote them an e-mail telling about the scientific studies on herbs & supplements and considerable effects on health. They answered us (keep in mind we sent this mail from an official university mail) phytotherapy has no scientific basis & evidence. Well, we understood their agenda and wished them luck in their life. In late-90's.

30 years passed. Nothing has changed. Quackwatch is the home of scientism cult. We have seen repeatedly that this cult is AS DANGEROUS AS isis or radical religious groups. So when someone uses quackwatch as a "source" this always makes me smile (and get seriosly angry at the same time).

End of rant.

[greybeard]

Does not sound like a snake oil salesman to me but thats just my opinion.

RASHID BUTTAR:"THIS IS THE LAST HOPE THAT WE HAVE"❗" [EXPOSED❗]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgEMd9siJZE

[fractal being]

Well I don't know whether he's exactly snake oil or not. All I know is that he grabbed my attention during the Covid1984 debate. I susbscrbed to his advanced medicine platform hoping to get more scientifically proven facts regarding covid19 and what I got in return was countless e-mails promoting his AHEAD MAP and other webinars, seminars etc. that were of course not for free. It became overwhelming, so I had to unsubscribe. Of course I commend him for speaking out against the covid1984 scam, but the way he's heavily monetising on it rang all sorts of bells. It's the same plague that has fallen on many alternative medicine outlets. All success stories they promote come mainly from opinion pieces rather than published scientifically proven facts.

I undrstand the need many (including me) feel around here to have a scientist prove their own intuition regarding covid19, but that need is exactly what makes you susceptible to all sorts of scammers and charlatans. If he thinks we're heading towards endtimes and has genuine interest to protect us from the orwellian1984 reality, why does he feel the need to heavily cash in?

[greybeard]

Well I don't know whether he's exactly snake oil or not. All I know is that he grabbed my attention during the Covid1984 debate. I susbscrbed to his advanced medicine platform hoping to get more scientifically proven facts regarding covid19 and what I got in return was countless e-mails promoting his AHEAD MAP and other webinars, seminars etc. that were of course not for free. It became oerwhelming, so I had to unsubscribe. Of course I commend him for speaking out against the covid1984 scam, but the way he's heavily monetising on it rang all sorts of bells. It's the same plague that has fallen on many alternative medicine networks. All success stories they promote come mainly from opinion pieces rather than published scientifically proven facts.

I undrstand the need many feel around here to have a scientist prove their own intuition regarding covid19, but that need is exactly what makes you susceptible to all sorts of scammers and charlatans. If he thinks we're heading towards endtimes and has genuine interest to protect us from the orwellian1984 reality, why does he feel the need to heavily cash in?

The software mechanism for sending these e mails was probably in operation before his involvement in the virus situation began.
Unfortunately virtually every online business does the same to a greater or lesser degree and the Doctor has to advertise like everyone else.

Eckhart Tolle does it--the Late Dr David Hawkins organization does, yet they are valid spiritual teachers, no one would suggest they are snake oil salesmen.
Chris

[AutumnW]

There appears to be a false dichotomy at play here involving underlying sincere beliefs, most of which are heartfelt and backed by the personal experiences of many. I have similar beliefs about big pharma as you all do. I shouldn't use the word beliefs, the word, 'understanding' is more appropriate.

I have similar misgivings about alternative therapies where physician or practioner promises a cure, when they have little proof to back that claim. Big pharma has some medicine that works--like insulin, like gabapentin for pain, etc.. Some alternative meds work as well. There is solid science to back that reality.

The false dichotemy is the idea that ALL mainstream medicine is bad and ALL alternative medicine, and alternative practitoners then must be good. or have honorable intentions.

Quackwatch, a group I am not very familiar with, have to be able to back what they say or open themselves up to litigation. There is a transcript of a hearing by the medical board of North Carolina, that Buttar himself signed off on admitting to unethical practices, using 'cures' he himself believed didn't work. He came close to losing his license over it. That is the kind of info everyone should be looking at before they consult with a doctor for personal reasons or buy into what they are selling online.

He appears to be selling the idea that covid 19 is part of a genocidal programme to off a bunch of people. His past does not lend weight to this argument.

Franny, thanks for pointing out distinction between physician osteopaths and osteopaths. I stand corrected on that one.

Before I jump on board any particular conspiracy, I want to know as much as I can about those promoting the theory.

[AutumnW]

Doctor Rashid Buttar has been one of the few doctors that have been strongly voicing their opinions about how the whole pandemic was a scam. From the beginning. With facts and data.

Is it any wonder that THEY would want to discredit him?

He discredited himself. The transcript is ten years old. He signed off on it, admitting he was engaged in unethical behavior.

[AutumnW]

Let me tell you about quackwatch. I was in university making my MS degree on phytotherapy when we saw quackwatch's ridiculous claims about phytotherapy & herbs with my professor. That was in late 90's. We wrote them an e-mail telling about the scientific studies on herbs & supplements and considerable effects on health. They answered us (keep in mind we sent this mail from an official university mail) phytotherapy has no scientific basis & evidence. Well, we understood their agenda and wished them luck in their life. In late-90's.

30 years passed. Nothing has changed. Quackwatch is the home of scientism cult. We have seen repeatedly that this cult is AS DANGEROUS AS isis or radical religious groups. So when someone uses quackwatch as a "source" this always makes me smile (and get seriosly angry at the same time).

End of rant.

Quackwatch had no right to do this as many herbal remedies and remedies based in indigenous cultures or folk medicines, though possibly lacking rigorous testing, have history behind them. As I said, I don't know much about Quackwatch. They have obviously cast a net and aren't throwing collateral catch back in the water!

I provided a link of a transcript where Buttar admits himself that he was engaged in unethical practices. They would be sued if they made that up and Buttar would be the first to sue them. So, put it this way, Quackwatch may be complete jerks, but even jerks can be useful if they provide solid information that shines a light on unethical behavior.

[Kryztian]

He discredited himself. The transcript is ten years old. He signed off on it, admitting he was engaged in unethical behavior.

That's pretty much what the medical industry does. They tell you "sign this, admit you were wrong" or else you will never work again.

There are a lot of alternative cancer therapists tired of seeing people get sicker from chemo and radiation. They try new things that don't have a long track record, because, unlike Bill Gates, they don't have millions of people in the third world they can try them out on. Most people who know that they are using alternative cancer therapies, realize that they are guinea pigs, and that they might indeed help people in the future.

Right now we have alternative therapists offering alternative treatments to Covid-19. Zinc, herbs, etc. They are working. But mainstream health journalism won't mention their successes and if the fail, they are waiting to pounce.

[AutumnW]

Autumn when you chose the title of this thread were you aware that there would have been a backlash from those who had been following deeply the virus and the various opinions on it?

I think the title of the thread lacks respect for the Doctor.

Its inappropriate because a snake oil sales man sells and then moves on, he does not remain to face the non results or results of selling a dream cure.

Dr Buttar is a man of courage and remains true to his belief regarding the virus and what lies behind the hype.

He has brought forward expert opinion on this and the wearing of face masks.
He has brought together groups of Doctors uniform in opinion that the virus is no more deadly than seasonal flu and they both kill vulnerable people.

Perhaps you might now start a thread on the good qualities of Windows founder, the financier of WHO and various inoculation programs.
Is he to be more trusted that Doctor Buttar?

Its ok to have contrary beliefs, mine change from time to time -- which is why im fond of "May be so"
Perhaps you might consider more tactful thread titles, and comments unless you like stirring it?
Which you are free to do so.
A good stir is beneficial at times.
Chris

As long as you are stirred, not shaken, Mr. Bond:thumbsup:

Why would I want to start a pro Bill Gates thread, or a pro big-pharma thread? I am leery of vaccines, particularly ones like the 3 in 1, given to kids. Lots of smoke and mirrors that the pharma industry hide in there. Bill Gates is just a very boring guy who stands to make a great deal of money on a vaccine. Like most people, he has drunk the wrong kool-aid on this one. And it's funny how people's beliefs tend to line up with their bank accounts, isn't it? So people have every right to be very wary of a vaccine for covid. It's not about that. They should be equally wary of those who claim that the vaccine is part of an intentional genocidal programme.

I have a theory, that you'd have to be an idiot to 'believe', but open minded to 'consider.' That is that the virus may have been created in a lab in the U.S. and then somehow unleashed in China, to cripple them economically. Geo-strategically this makes the most sense to me.

Chris Martenson, in his last video made the remark that fatality rates may be dropping, while the number of infected is rising. This could indicate that the virus is losing strength. He went on to say that, if the HIV DNA insertion was created in a lab, it would make the virus highly unstable, which could account for fewer fatalities. He uses the word, 'maybe,' a LOT.

As to your question about was I aware there would be backlash? I thought some people wouldn't like it, but that wasn't my primary concern, nor reason for posting the information. And the term 'snake oil' fits Dr.Buttar, imho. He is an opportunist feeding on people's legitimate fears.

[AutumnW]

He discredited himself. The transcript is ten years old. He signed off on it, admitting he was engaged in unethical behavior.

That's pretty much what the medical industry does. They tell you "sign this, admit you were wrong" or else you will never work again.

There are a lot of alternative cancer therapists tired of seeing people get sicker from chemo and radiation. They try new things that don't have a long track record, because, unlike Bill Gates, they don't have millions of people in the third world they can try them out on. Most people who know that they are using alternative cancer therapies, realize that they are guinea pigs, and that they might indeed help people in the future.

Right now we have alternative therapists offering alternative treatments to Covid-19. Zinc, herbs, etc. They are working. But mainstream health journalism won't mention their successes and if the fail, they are waiting to pounce.

Kryztian, I am sure some very well meaning practioners are subject to exactly what you describe here. I don't think that Buttar falls into that category.

[Constance]

These rhetorical questions came my way and now I am going to share this with everyone because I think that this strikes at the root of where everything is at in relation to healing and the speaking on behalf of others.

What are your personal opinions and perceptions REALLY based on?
Can you guarantee you have the correct interpretation of what other’s say and do?
What is your own direct experience of what is being shared by others?
Where you there when it happened?
Have you actually ever been to the place?
Have you been anywhere even like it?

Have you personally helped the person/ people related?
Have you personally researched and studied all aspects of the topic/s being put forward?
Have you personally met and spoken to the person/ ALL the people involved?


Have you personally clinically treated ALL kinds of people around the world?
What is the range and extent of your experience in treating people?
Have you personally spoken to ALL kinds of people at length about their core issues?
Have you ever had them open up and tell you what they really feel on their deepest level?

:heart: :sun:

[AutumnW]

Constance,

As to some of your questions above, as they pertain to Dr. Buttar, one of the criticisms in the transcript, that he agreed were correct, was not actually meeting with many of his patients. That covers the "where were you?"




"Have you personally helped the person/ people related?
Have you personally researched and studied all aspects of the topic/s being put forward?
Have you personally met and spoken to the person/ ALL the people involved?

Have you personally clinically treated ALL kinds of people around the world?
What is the range and extent of your experience in treating people?
Have you personally spoken to ALL kinds of people at length about their core issues?
Have you ever had them open up and tell you what they really feel on their deepest level?"

This is what Rashid Buttar was hauled onto the carpet about. He was assessing patients without meeting them. He didn't do proper follow up. And if you don't follow up someone with fourth stage cancer...think about it. You can claim that since they terminated treatment with your nurse practitioner, they must be cured. Correct?

If you follow up, because they are no longer seeing your nurse practitioner-- and find out they died,-- you certainly wouldn't be able to claim great results curing end stage cancer.

I am trying to vet this guy, as his arguments are that vaccines for Covid will be part of an intentional genocidal programme. If he believes this to be true, that's okay. But he has to clearly state that it is his theory and not necessarily the reality.

[greybeard]

Healing people is a strange situation
The Late Dr David Hawkins was a much respected Psychiatrist with the largest practise in USA.
He was all for different forms of alternate healing -- basically what ever worked.

Now here is the strange thing.
His practitioners all used the same methods, yet some consistently achieved better results than the others.
He put it down to their spiritual energy, possibly their manner and conviction that it would work.

So Dr Rashid Buttar is a man of conviction -- the only thing I would fault him on is his high speed vocal delivery.
But thats me -- the content is very similar to what quite a few are saying.

I have no doubt he is convinced that what he is saying is correct and is sincere in his reason for doing what he does to educate people.

Is his treatments effective? --- I dont know
Is he right in what he and others say?
There seems to be a lot of hard evidence to support this.
African women inoculated with anti tetanus -- tests showed that vaccine contained a part that was know to sterilise.
The lab results were ignored. Swept under the carpet, over 1 million women inoculated.

MMR vaccine linked to Autism which is in epidemic proportion but seldom mentioned -- every 8 minutes a child is diagnose with it. one statistic said one in fifty children-- not sure I believe that one.

I qualified as a Hypnotherapist, that is clinically proven to get results.
I also am a Bioenergy practitioner --that is not clinically tested but the results were amazing.
Some things can not be measured.

If Dr Buttar was not having some good results then people would stop going to him.
That must be their personal experience -- not judged from afar as wanting.

At least I have the experience of working professionally with different ailments including cancer.

My work was always handed over to God -- I could not make people "better", some did, some did not -- most got some benefit though.

No one can claim to heal/cure all and Im sure Dr Rashid Buttar will have successes and failures, thats normal

Chris

[DaveToo]

Davetoo, I don't know about the other people you mention but I do know Tenpenny's opinions on Covid are not the most credible but she probably means well. She isn't a highly trained scientist. I believe she might be a chiropractor. So, no. You should probably look more towards someone like Chris Martenson for his take on Covid. He has the appropriate background.

RFK Jr. happens to be a nephew of the late JFK.
You do at least know who JFK is (a fairly well-known former politician)?

[Luke Holiday]

Davetoo, I don't know about the other people you mention but I do know Tenpenny's opinions on Covid are not the most credible but she probably means well. She isn't a highly trained scientist. I believe she might be a chiropractor. So, no. You should probably look more towards someone like Chris Martenson for his take on Covid. He has the appropriate background.

RFK Jr. happens to be a nephew of the late JFK.
You do at least know who JFK is (a fairly well-known former politician)?


The messenger is secondary to the message - all licensed physicians in good standing with their board are worthy of being listened to - but it is only the truth of their words that is of any importance. All of the messengers that Dave refers to have backed up their words with scientific research and established working knowledge.

PS This debate is pointless, those who have done their homework know what this is really about - I am talking about Covid 1984 meets financial reset and PA.

Blessings

Luke

[Mike]

jess i really like this guy. i really want to believe him. stop f#cking ruining it for me, would you? come on, take it back.
https://cdn.prdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Dont_Ask_Journalists_for_a_Retraction.jpg

he's usually introduced in his videos as having "trained in general surgery and emergency medicine", whatever that means. someone else look it up. i'm too tired.

but it sounds like he's a little more than an osteopath.

[greybeard]

"It's Risky Making This Public" - The Media DON'T Want This Out! | Dr Rashid Buttar
19,348 views

►Dr. Rashid Buttar is a former US Military Brigade Surgeon, Chief of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Moncrief Army Community Hospital, and the founder of the Center For Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Qk18WqkFc

[Delight]

These rhetorical questions came my way and now I am going to share this with everyone because I think that this strikes at the root of where everything is at in relation to healing and the speaking on behalf of others.

What are your personal opinions and perceptions REALLY based on?
Can you guarantee you have the correct interpretation of what other’s say and do?
What is your own direct experience of what is being shared by others?
Where you there when it happened?
Have you actually ever been to the place?
Have you been anywhere even like it?

Have you personally helped the person/ people related?
Have you personally researched and studied all aspects of the topic/s being put forward?
Have you personally met and spoken to the person/ ALL the people involved?


Have you personally clinically treated ALL kinds of people around the world?
What is the range and extent of your experience in treating people?
Have you personally spoken to ALL kinds of people at length about their core issues?
Have you ever had them open up and tell you what they really feel on their deepest level?

:heart: :sun:

I really love your questions.

I feel personally connected to Dr. Buttar from years of being very concerned about HEALTH freedom. He was in NC at one time and left that state because the medical board was harrassing him (http://www.drbuttar.com/prweb/). The bullying that occurs at the behest of the Allopathic gate keepers has become ever more strident since the early 1900's. the "law" is turned on those who refute the competence of the socially prescribed "way to be healthy".

It is mind boggling and saddens me that consumers accept the HORRIBLE model of "modern" medicine. Some people only use what is covered by Insurance. They may NOT look at Allopathic Medicine as the only acceptable path but don't want to pay the out of pocket alternative charges. Some think their doctors are close to god despite the chronic disappointments. The dissatisfaction one hears from many many people is not accompanied by anything but sad defeat for "needing" the care.

WE DON'T need any of it... even Dr. Buttar's care. There is a whole-ly OTHER paradigm where WE ARE THE (ONLY) PLACEBO.

I have dogs galore being on all sides of patient, family member and professional in this fight. BUT my dog which knows that people have to have the right to choose and the responsibility for the choice is the only winner. I choose to dispense with all the middle men and learn how to BE HEALTH. If YOU don't need them... and their office is empty and their pills and supplies are not used: THAT is POWER in the hands of the man. That is the BEST revenge for any "quack" (though I disagree that D. Buttar is one. He is a proponent of massive neutraceuticals, detox and other not mainstream but "real" treatments).

[greybeard]

"It's Risky Making This Public" - The Media DON'T Want This Out! | Dr Rashid Buttar
19,348 views

►Dr. Rashid Buttar is a former US Military Brigade Surgeon, Chief of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Moncrief Army Community Hospital, and the founder of the Center For Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Qk18WqkFc

No longer available due to copyright claims thats a new one.

People are very reluctant to say "I got it wrong" when they are -- Ive noticed.
We all make mistakes, a normal part of life.
Chris