Menstruators And People Of Whiteness, Act Now!

[Mike]

I got this email from Plattsburgh State University today. They think I'm an alumni. I'm not. I went on a soccer recruiting trip there once. That's all. They're confused. In more ways than one.

The top of the email displayed a message in bold print. It said this: PEOPLE OF WHITENESS, ACT NOW!

It was from the Center for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Orwell: Wherever he is, I wonder if he's laughing or crying. Or both.

People of whiteness?
https://www.mememaker.net/api/bucket?path=static/img/templates/full/2012/Sep/25/3/confused-ron-burgundy.jpg

Let's bookmark that a moment.

An hour ago, maybe, I was scrolling yahoo news, when I came across this piece on J.K. Rowling. In it, it is explained to us that Rowling had drawn criticism for supporting a woman named Maya Forstater, who had been fired from her position in an international think tank called CGD Europe.

The reason Forstater was fired was because of a tweet that said sex is immutable, it is a biological fact. Trans-women are not women. Trans-men are not men.

In other words, she got fired for stating a scientific fact.

In response to this insanity, Rowling tweeted her support for Forstater with the following:
Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who will have you
Live your best life in peace and security
But force a woman out of her job for stating sex is real?

In a sane world, she would have earned a standing ovation for this rational, calm, grounded response to a clear injustice. But instead she was attacked ruthlessly.

In an attempt to put the attacks to rest, she tried to explain herself further in a short blog post. In it she clearly explains some of her worries regarding the new trans activism. She gives several reasons, which include her charity for women and children, free speech, being an ex teacher, and the "huge explosion in young women wishing to transition". She also mentions her being the victim of sexual and domestic abuse.

Shortly before this blog, several days maybe, Rowling had tweeted about something she took exception to. That something was an article headline which referred to women (unironically) as "people who menstruate".

The article describes (and justifies) this bizarre word choice as follows: "...which is inclusive of people like transgender men and non-binary and gender non-conforming people, all of whom could be people who menstruate, rather than using the word "women".

Rowling's great tweet response was this:
People who menstruate? I'm sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. 'Wumben'? 'Wimpund'? 'Woomud?'

In response to the inevitable attacks, she rightly explained that the term "people who menstruate" was degrading and dehumanizing to women.

The social justice lunatics reacted swiftly and ruthlessly. After reading Rowling's blog and several related tweets, one particular lunatic, Ben O'Keefe, who is the creative producer of 'American Horror Story', tweeted this:

"This woman is complete scum. Shut the f#ck up you transphobic f#ck. You don't know or love any transpeople if you won't even acknowledge their existence. Thanks for ruining the books of my childhood. Just stop talking. We know you're a TERF. You don't need to keep doing this.

(note: "TERF" apparently is an acronym the lunatics use to mean "trans exclusionary radical feminist")

Perhaps you will have noticed that the original message Rowling supported, the one from Maya Forstater, said nothing about the idea of gender and sex, and the hypothetical differences there. She only mentions sex. You cannot change your sex. Biological sex is a fact. It's unequivocally true. Rowling simply cosigned on that.

And this is the problem with all these wonky ideas - they get wonkier.

It started out as, gender and sex are not the same. And now it has evolved to, there's no such thing as biological sex.

Horrible ideas like defund the police eventually evolve into even more horrible ideas, like disband the police

The trans community, which has frequently complained about being degraded and dehumanized, is doing precisely the same thing to biological women, calling them the utterly absurd, "people who menstruate", so as to not hurt the precious feelings of women pretending to be men.

Black folks and minorities, who have long complained along similar lines, are now calling white people, "people of whiteness"

Oh, I almost forgot:
Somewhere in the article about Rowling, there is a break between paragraphs, where it says this: Related: twitter users claimed that Rowling's tweet was not only exclusionary to transgender people, but also cisgender women who don't have periods.

If the aliens arrived tonight and offered to take me with them, I'd seriously consider going.

Here's a link to the article. I actually think it will take you to several, all on the same topic. I suggest you read them all (sort of): https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/emma-watson-daniel-radcliffe-sarah-230044508.html


You may be wondering why I've seemingly mishmashed this racism stuff with this trans stuff, and it's because I think it's all the same brand of insanity. It's called postmodern neo-marxism. It sounds fancy but it's not. It means many things, but in some ways it just means this: many things are the opposite of what they purport to be.

It's no coincidence that this Rowling/trans "news" is being offered now amidst all this racial tension. It's because it's actually one and the same thing, masquerading as 2 different things. And we'll get into all that, if you guys show some interest. But for now, I must stop. This post is way too long. And I've got aliens to prepare for.

[norman]

In which year did alphabet soup first go on the market ? I'm serious.

[greybeard]

In which year did alphabet soup first go on the market ? I'm serious.

At least 60 years ago Norman to the best of my memory,, thats alphabet spaghetti though.
Chris

[raregem]

Mike-
Thanks for posting this trans-post..or is that cis-post ? lol :confused::HELP!: I get confused.
Seriously though I agree this is part of the agenda to turn all thoughts and behaviors inside out or upside down. And, when scientific truth is pointed out then comes the vitriol, the name calling, the vicious attacks. Yes, the exact behavior they claim is used against them is mirrored by them. I really do not understand how people have such venom while lacking regard for truth.
What is their fear? I think it is someone else's agenda but general population are in fear mode.
I do hope this topic is continued regarding the 2 masquerades you spoke about.

[greybeard]

Think you said so many things in your post that many will agree with, that people, are not inclined to add to what you have posted.
I suspect some people have a need to belong to some identifying label.
I dont have a need to shout im this or that.
I just accept I am what I am, what ever that is.
There is no need for identification or outside verification.

There just seems to be a movement for separation going on.
Chris

[greybeard]

Statues are being removed 'for public safety' over fears they will be targeted by protesters

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/statues-removed-anti-racist-protests-084946688.html

Statues of historical figures Robert Milligan and Robert Baden-Powell have reportedly been removed on public safety grounds.

The owner of the land where the monument of slave owner Milligan stood at West India Quay in east London told The Times that the council were informed Black Lives Matter protesters might attempt to topple the statue themselves.

It was taken away from its plinth on Tuesday evening and is currently being stored at a secret location.

The move comes after a statue of 17th-century slave trader Edward Colston was thrown into Bristol harbour during a Black Lives Matter protest over the weekend.

Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole Council said it also planned to temporarily remove a statue of Scouts founder Robert Baden-Powell from Poole Quay on Thursday over concerns it may be targeted by protesters.


The council said it wanted to "minimise the risk of any public disorder or anti-social behaviour that could arise were the statue to remain in situ" while views on Lord Baden-Powell are shared.

Council leader Vikki Slade said in a statement issued on Wednesday: "Whilst famed for the creation of the Scouts, we also recognise that there are some aspects of Robert Baden-Powell's life that are considered less worthy of commemoration.


"Therefore, we are removing the statue so that we can properly involve all relevant communities and groups in discussions about its future, including whether a more educational presentation of his life in a different setting might be more appropriate.”

Slade said on Twitter that the decision was taken following a "threat", adding: "It's literally less than three metres from the sea so is at huge risk.”


The statue was installed in 2008 and faces Brownsea Island in Poole Harbour, where the Scout movement was started by Baden-Powell.

The council said it would be "put into safe storage" and that Dorset County Scouts "have been advised and support the position".

Anti-racism campaigners have compiled a list of monuments they want removed – including Nelson’s Column.


A statue of Queen Victoria in Leeds was also defaced with the words “racist”, “slave owner” and “Black Lives Matter”.

The Topple the Racists website, which says it was set up by an anti-Donald Trump campaign, has listed a number of sites across the UK involving historical figures where it says there is “responsibility for colonial violence”.

The statue of Colston was ripped from its plinth and thrown into Bristol harbour on Sunday.

The Colston statue has since been lifted out of the water and taken to a secure location before it becomes part of a museum collection, Bristol City Council said.

In 2010, declassified MI5 files revealed that Lord Baden-Powell was invited to meet Adolf Hitler after holding friendly talks about forming closer ties with the Hitler Youth.

An online petition to "defend Poole's Lord Baden-Powell statue" has received more than 3,500 signatures.


Chris says
Make of that what you will.

[Matthew]

...
If the aliens arrived tonight and offered to take me with them, I'd seriously consider going.
...
Please would you ask them to stop off in England to pick me up too? Perhaps the aliens really, like, have eight genders or something? and its worse. Tell you what I'll go anyway

[Hym]

Our internet service and phones were out for a while and I come back to this. This may be one of the few times here that I KNEW it was you, my bashful brother Mike, who started this intriguing, sign of the times thread. As not so much of a coincidence I happen to know some very interesting, very likable people who identify themselves as trans.

The first was eye opening to say the least. My second intro into the identity was a plumber friend of mine who had just converted to Islam. When next I met him he told me and showed me of his transformational change and the breasts he was then growing anew, at that time bound with a wide cotton sheet underneath his flannel pendleton work shirt.

By the way, this is very common to me, where people know they are supported, whether or not I may see the changes they make as healthy choices. I'm one of the few who will ask a stranger with a difference what's up, of course if they do not feel intimidated or isolated at that time. Listening is very healing, none of which has much to do with me, just a presence of being there.

The last contact I had was with a man who obviously had undergone some chemical alterations to match his makeup and dress changes brought on by some internal drive. It is not so often that we see aircraft engineers make that change in a life's path, which prompted me to ask why he had stopped his long years of hormone therapy, so recent along the journey.

He said that the hormones had some negative and difficult physical and hormonal consequences to deal with. I asked if he'd resume those treatments any time soon. His answer was that he wanted to take a break from them and that he didn't want to become that crazy old lady talking to herself as she walked the streets in a nearby tourist town.

Words to break down the abuses of words upon the psyche.
Sometimes the silence does that too.

[Ernie Nemeth]

To me, it is the height of hypocrisy that a muslim is mayor of London.

I also think it is an amazing act of cowardice that so few true British do not stand up to these foreign invaders. Canada is a lost cause, with all our focus on minorities, and importing more minorities until they are no longer minorities in Canada. Take a lesson from us and do something about it before it is too late for your country as well.

Non-menstrators are under attack, as is the western world. It will not go well if we don't soon stand up and say, 'no more'!

[Phoenix1304]

Hi Mike,

I follow Rowling on Twitter and other women speaking out against the insanity, so I've watch this debacle unfold. Did you see what they did to Navratilova in recent years? UNBELIEVABLE. The most outstanding LGBT advocate who struggled her whole life with prejudice, was utterly vilified by this 'trans' community for questioning the fairness of trans athletes with permitted higher levels of testosterone and clear biological advantage despite their desire to be called a woman. ("I'm a MISS!" he snarled in a baritone, swaggering into the Ladies toilet). Women get everything stripped away from them, I'm outraged about it all actually and would be trolled off Twitter and possibly this forum, if I ever dared voice my own opinion. This is not about acceptance of trans people, it's about the further marginalisation of real women. I find the label 'menstruator' deeply offensive, let's label trans people who haven't had the op, 'sperm spurters" shall we, SS, at least then we might know what kind of new threat we could be facing in our public bathrooms.

On the other note, the aliens are already here aren't they? Aren't we all hybrids? Has something gone terribly wrong or is it all going as exactly as planned?

Mental health 'professionals', mad medicos and aliens have a lot to answer for.

I'll leave this with two quotes:

Krishnamurti:
It is not a sign of mental health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Margaret Atwood:
Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.

[TargeT]

I regularly wear this shirt:

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/f3/d4/c5/f3d4c50e6676ba414fbb7575e908bf30--man-up-long-sleeve-tees.jpg


That is all.




("I'm a MISS!" he snarled in a baritone, swaggering into the Ladies toilet)

Oh, I've got a great example of that....


jOkdR7on6Ok

an editorial take on the same incident, with even a better one of the same genre highlighted (love this guy):
dJQeWFR_SEk

[Mike]

Just to be clear: I don't have any problems at all with trans people. None at all. Nor do I have any issue with those sincerely and honestly exploring race relations in the US and across the world. Racism does exist, I'm not suggesting it doesn't; oppression does exist, and I'm not suggesting it doesn't. My issue is with, and always has been with, the radical activist types..the small but loud minority attempting to reshape the world thru their bitterness and resentment by vastly exaggerating the role oppression plays in their lives..both real and imagined.

Some call them "social justice warriors". That works for me. But their particular ideology is first and foremost a postmodern one. Jordan Peterson, for example, often refers to them as postmodern neo-marxists.

They tend to set up camp in racial and trans and gender spaces. It's where they can get the most attention for themselves. And it's where they can effectively hide and get away with their hate, because to even begin to question them in the current environment would likely earn one the label of racist, bigot, transphobe, or woman-hater.

Postmodernist ideology, and by extension SJW ideology, is characterized by the following characteristics:

1) a tendency to reduce complex phenomena into single causes, i.e "oppression"
2) a tendency towards unearned moral superiority
.....sound familiar?

It is defined thusly: an attitude of skepticism and irony towards rejection of grand narratives, ideologies and universalism, including objective notions of reason, human nature, social progress, absolute truth and objective reality

Postmodernists are generally anti-science, and favor their subjective narratives over objective reality. They consider truth to be only our individual interpretations of the world, and not what is necessarily real. The Marxist bit in postmodern neo-marxism refers to the belief that the world is nothing but oppressors and the oppressed to them, and notions of hard work, personal responsibility, and competence mean virtually nothing. Accomplishments are only viewed thru this lens of "privilege".

This postmodernism began in the mid 20th century in France. But I won't bore you with all that. To me it represents something deeper and more pressing..something like a spiritual disease.

The radical activist types tend to fall under the postmodern umbrella, regardless of what their cause is. I see it all happening now in real time, and at an accelerated rate. And I fear the worse, atm. The madness now has massive energy and momentum behind it

This video is great, if you have the time and fortitude to get thru it:
VJMy_BWD3CI

[Mike]

Hi Mike,

I follow Rowling on Twitter and other women speaking out against the insanity, so I've watch this debacle unfold. Did you see what they did to Navratilova in recent years? UNBELIEVABLE. The most outstanding LGBT advocate who struggled her whole life with prejudice, was utterly vilified by this 'trans' community for questioning the fairness of trans athletes with permitted higher levels of testosterone and clear biological advantage despite their desire to be called a woman. ("I'm a MISS!" he snarled in a baritone, swaggering into the Ladies toilet). Women get everything stripped away from them, I'm outraged about it all actually and would be trolled off Twitter and possibly this forum, if I ever dared voice my own opinion. This is not about acceptance of trans people, it's about the further marginalisation of real women. I find the label 'menstruator' deeply offensive, let's label trans people who haven't had the op, 'sperm spurters" shall we, SS, at least then we might know what kind of new threat we could be facing in our public bathrooms.

On the other note, the aliens are already here aren't they? Aren't we all hybrids? Has something gone terribly wrong or is it all going as exactly as planned?

Mental health 'professionals', mad medicos and aliens have a lot to answer for.

I'll leave this with two quotes:

Krishnamurti:
It is not a sign of mental health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Margaret Atwood:
Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.



Brilliant:clapping:

Thanks

[AutumnW]

Damn. Menstruators is one ugly sounding word. Addressing menstruators is like calling on gangliating effluviators....with menisci. It should never be done. If something sounds that creepy, chances are it is!

[Valerie Villars]

I should have known it was you Mike, just by the title, 2 seconds earlier than I did. Thank God! The voice of sanity.

[shaberon]

I generally act at this moment and that moment; not to worry.

This appears to be the same subject that smelled like a rat quite some time ago.

I didn't know what it was. There was a brief period when I thought I was politically correct, because I took it literally. In other words, I thought the principle of boycott would be an effective non-violent resistance, and that this was correct, politically.

It took me a while to even realize they were trying to tell you how to talk.

What?

Last time I checked, anyone is able to hate me, to my face, you can wish I was dead, or whatever thing you feel you must say.

That really does not happen as much as people are ignorant or stupid about something.

So this topic has a lot of "Who cares?" flying in both directions.

If I'm not going to force you to talk the way I talk, then, I only care when someone tries to force me the other way.

And unfortunately the dang stuff can lead to legal problems. You get enough personal problems if you just talk to anyone, normally. Legal problems from an attempt to usurp the language can't help much. Or you just get fired. Sheesh. What a load of snippy, uptight personalities are out there.

[Agape]

Damn. Menstruators is one ugly sounding word. Addressing menstruators is like calling on gangliating effluviators....with menisci. It should never be done. If something sounds that creepy, chances are it is!

Sounds like British pub slang to me. Or more like home abuse type of slang but it’s a real word, I swear. It’s the worst stomach content of man scoffing at his woman.
It’s how bad people and languages can get.
British street slang is one of the most colorful and versatile languages in the world but better don’t repeat it.


It all is about alcoholism, domestic abuse and violence and health issues.


Trying to poke to this is a bit like poking to a bee house. But there’s an option, beware the swarm that the angry men will go jogging

instead


🙏🕊🙏

[Agape]

I think the whole Male-Female dichotomy is in the genes.

The mothers of human race are genetically older than the current fathers. They came from older, more peaceful times on Earth when men and women were equals and love was genuine partnership, and ethical values were honored.

The male genomic lineages that seeded the planet in the current era of ten thousand years have taken the earth by attack and were vastly recycled. They were warrior like lineages of strong soldiers, kings and heroes subduing many countries and cultures, slaying the men and saving some mothers.

It’s the same war and exodus trauma that landed many of the maternal lineages in perpetual slavery to future evolving patriarchies.


Of course there are father lineages who have preserved along and since very old times but as a rule of thumb they are frail and not many.

There certainly seems to be a discrepancy in thinking and biological functioning of these older, peaceful remains of past civilizations
and those of “super-soldiers”( as we would call them today), ascended often from barbarian tribes united by powerful kings, invading continents, looting, taking other people’s territory, raping mothers,
producing next generation of strong offspring, sometimes dull offspring. Dying young.


The male part of humanity( of course not all so those please pardon me) is still much caught in their admiration for the “force” and presumed ability to take this world by will or by foot.
They’re still the dominant power behind every big success and achievement of current humanity.

The only true reason they hate us “women” is because we are so old, so ancient, so difficult to understand and impossible to surpass :)

On the ancient level we all were and are perfectly equal and harmonious provided ethical laws are not breached.


🐳

[Savannah]

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jk-rowling-backlash-sex-gender

I see this meme like the others to remove history...your a racist...their is no truth....no right no wrong or laws of the universe. Confuse people to the point where they question what seems black/white literal reality. All things are subjective and thus they can be dictated by those in control for their benefit. All things even if it seems crazy and completely nonsensical is up for grabs. As long as they wrap it in the distorted guise of freedom of self expression, acceptance, diversity, Wawwa wawa waw. They can tell you men are women, not that they feel, believe, perceive want to be, but they literally are women! It bothers me that many feel the need to clarify they accept the difference in others or that they are not trans-phobic, because to just question their narrative results in severe social sensor and possible job loss. I'm not implying people don't feel accepting just that we have to say that first even here in order to challenge them is a sign they are that much in control of our lives. They seem to start with things we all agree on like racism and basic sexual identity and preferences. The majority, not the minority accept other races and sexual preferences. They then slowly rap around these ideas distorted ones and if challenged use the original concept that is truth to prove the untruth.

The large institution I work for sent an official memo that we MUST refer to transgender males at work as "she", if we don't we can be fired and that was only the half of it. I'm a mental health worker and there is so much I don't dare even dare write about even on this cite about what is going on with this at my job. So if I don't think as the totalitarian state dictates I cant earn a living. We have seen this many times, unfortunately it still works. We are in an escalation of a war for our minds and the continued control of our world. I never thought a tool of the controllers like Rowling would be one of those to speak out. Go girl go!

Signed
I menstruate

[raregem]

The large institution I work for sent an official memo that we MUST refer to transgender males at work as "she", if we don't we can be fired and that was only the half of it.

Would it then be required that you be referred to as "cis-she"? And, if not done that person could also be fired?

Thanks for your write up Savannah. I do hope you can add more info from the inside of business that reflects the imposed word salad.

[Delight]

If the aliens arrived tonight and offered to take me with them, I'd seriously consider going.

Me too.

Narrative warfare is discussed here 42:19

db-Xn2gzGxU

[Mike]

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jk-rowling-backlash-sex-gender

I see this meme like the others to remove history...your a racist...their is no truth....no right no wrong or laws of the universe. Confuse people to the point where they question what seems black/white literal reality. All things are subjective and thus they can be dictated by those in control for their benefit. All things even if it seems crazy and completely nonsensical is up for grabs. As long as they wrap it in the distorted guise of freedom of self expression, acceptance, diversity, Wawwa wawa waw. They can tell you men are women, not that they feel, believe, perceive want to be, but they literally are women! It bothers me that many feel the need to clarify they accept the difference in others or that they are not trans-phobic, because to just question their narrative results in severe social sensor and possible job loss. I'm not implying people don't feel accepting just that we have to say that first even here in order to challenge them is a sign they are that much in control of our lives. They seem to start with things we all agree on like racism and basic sexual identity and preferences. The majority, not the minority accept other races and sexual preferences. They then slowly rap around these ideas distorted ones and if challenged use the original concept that is truth to prove the untruth.

The large institution I work for sent an official memo that we MUST refer to transgender males at work as "she", if we don't we can be fired and that was only the half of it. I'm a mental health worker and there is so much I don't dare even dare write about even on this cite about what is going on with this at my job. So if I don't think as the totalitarian state dictates I cant earn a living. We have seen this many times, unfortunately it still works. We are in an escalation of a war for our minds and the continued control of our world. I never thought a tool of the controllers like Rowling would be one of those to speak out. Go girl go!

Signed
I menstruate



one of the major tenets of social justice postmoderism is the rejection of objective realities in favor of what they call "subjective narratives". if reality is subjective, then it is malleable, and notions of past present and future don't really apply.

orwell's 1984 says something like this: control the past and you control the present; control the present and you control the future.

(hope i got that right)

that's what we're seeing now: book banning, statue toppling, movie banning, and so on. it's an attempt to erase the past. monuments and art from the past, even if deemed distasteful, are important in helping us to navigate the future. they serve as important placeholders; they indicate the things that did and didn't work.

that way we can look back and say, ya know, marxism didn't work out too well, maybe we should avoid that.

postmoderism does appeal to many because it's true, there are many truths. but what it doesn't acknowledge is that some are truer than others and much more functional and useful. and none usurp objective reality.

if the past is being erased and the present is being f#cked with, and women are being called men and men are being called women, and we're being pressured to accept all sorts of bullsh!t "subjective truths" to the detriment of what's really true, all in the name of inclusivity and diversity and equity - 3 words that now indicate the exact opposite of what they truly mean, in order to fight things that don't even exist (white privilege, white supremacy)...well, we're bound to have a really f#cked society.

it really is orwell's 1984. as a writer, you wouldn't even have to mine this stuff for a book; you could just write exactly what's happening! it parodies itself!

thanks for sharing your experience Savannah. i hope things change for the better at work sometime in the future. keep up the good fight

[Mike]

If the aliens arrived tonight and offered to take me with them, I'd seriously consider going.

Me too.

Narrative warfare is discussed here 42:19

db-Xn2gzGxU



oh sweet! thanks Delight! i love Daniel. he gives me hope.

[AutumnW]

Social Justice Warriors are concerned about topics that are pretty inane and largely irrelevant--victims of affluenza. They have nothing in common with the indigenous, the blacks and the poor battling for equal treatment under the law.

If your only remotely political input is Jordan Peterson, it's like the expression, "to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He does not address real political inequality, he speaks to white university kids with wealthy parents who can't get their **** together.

[Mike]

Social Justice Warriors are concerned about topics that are pretty inane and largely irrelevant--victims of affluenza. They have nothing in common with the indigenous, the blacks and the poor battling for equal treatment under the law.

If your only remotely political input is Jordan Peterson, it's like the expression, "to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He does not address real political inequality, he speaks to white university kids with wealthy parents who can't get their **** together.


What does any of this have to do with Jordan Peterson?? Jess, the whole country is being Evergreen'ed at the moment. Social justice is being ushered in en masse. I don't think you have a grasp for things going on in the states, respectfully.

That hypothetical hammer couldn't possibly be big enough, atm, to squash it all.

"White frailty"? "White privilege"? "Diversity, inclusivity, and equity"? I can't leave my bloody bedroom without hearing that being uttered somewhere

Even if, as you say, the SJW's aren't relevant to the current situation, they are hijacking it to further their agenda, rapidly. This whole mess is being used as an excuse to usher in their bullsh!t

note: if you have some time to burn, please watch Bill's video below

[Bill Ryan]

Jess, the whole country is being Evergreen'ed at the moment.

The Evergreening of America:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYk3wUwDlsg[/url]

[AutumnW]

I just wrote a whole post basically agreeing with you, mike. Then I lost it in the internet ether! Damn

[Mike]

I just wrote a whole post basically agreeing with you, mike. Then I lost it in the internet ether! Damn


well you know the drill then: thank my post and tell me how great i am. i'll be waiting:biggrin:

[Constance]

Here is the open letter referred to in the chat

https://snooze2awaken.com/2020/06/14/anonymous-professor-from-uc-berkeley-obliterates-blm-injustice-narrative-in-fabulous-open-letter/?fbclid=IwAR03dFX08LLl6f9Kjoow-HGUIiFyGE44av7wOA4ddxPZe-MZJVWjXQ8hs40

Anonymous Professor from UC Berkeley Obliterates BLM Injustice Narrative in Fabulous Open Letter




Dear Profs X, Y, Z,

I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.

In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or “Uncle Toms.” They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.

Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.

And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department’s apparent desire to shoulder the “white man’s burden” and to promote a narrative of white guilt.



If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it’s fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. “Those are racist dogwhistles.” “The model minority myth is white supremacist.” “Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime,” ad nauseam.

These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM’s problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

I personally don’t dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.



No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald’s and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn’t led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices—as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the “systemic racism” there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.

The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organization using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organization using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called “race hustlers”: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.

MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.


I’m ashamed of my department. I would say that I’m ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It’s hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

It shouldn’t affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.

No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party’s uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd’s death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.

And here is the video referred to:
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The Evergreening of America:


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[shaberon]

I never thought a tool of the controllers like Rowling would be one of those to speak out. Go girl go!



There is something about her, which is not a tool, but may convey that appearance.

In ordinary life we may have said "Sir" or "Ma'am" and then a moment later realized we said the wrong one. I have done it, I don't know, only a whole bunch of times. Once I almost spontaneously vomited on a woman. I know I hit her with some kind of hacked out fluid. There was an attempt to say "Ma'am" that utterly failed on some kind of unsanitary revulsion.

Are we compelled to like anything or anyone?

I would say, historically, some of this stuff does have a parallel, Eunuchs. If something is done to pulverize your reproductive apparatus, you are a Eunuch. That is an identity based on a biological fact. Many animals also have a special castrated name. It is a form of culling or modest decline in offspring.

How it could be done at will, for pleasure, is beyond my current understanding.

Can we start a type of class action lawsuit, claiming that emotional buzz words we take as a form of hate speech, are the ones used in the "tables of tolerance"? Like if you say "trans-phobic", I become so confused, I may jump out a fifth-story window?

These are the people that would sanitize Highway to Hell off the radio, because I might get upset about 9/11. What if I really do get upset about some other group of words? I suppose it doesn't matter, since the authorities must be right, I must be wrong. I view menstruation as a sacred act performed by an exclusive club, owing to nature. Then I will be so rude as to attach an extra degree of importance to this group, because I am not one. They can't do it for themselves, that would be arrogant. So I think that a type of male co-operation because he isn't the one that has to carry a child actually is an important aspect. And, sorry, no one can get on that pedestal who can't really do it.

[Mike]

Thanks Con!:bearhug:

I think that's a pretty close to flawless letter. I was applauding the entire way thru.

The only thing that I disagree with is his pointing out George Floyd's past and how it may have some relevance to his tragic death. I get why he wrote it, but it seems unnecessarily insensitive imo. But otherwise, nearly perfect.

I heard this wonderful quote today, and it may even be worthy of its own thread:
"racial groups can never reconcile, only individuals can."

So obvious, and yet it kinda blew my mind.

Whatever form of reparation is offered from white to black folks, it will never be good enough..because some black people will accept it and some won't.

And on the flip side, an offer of reparations from whites could never be agreed upon unilaterally. Some will approve and some won't.

Thus, an offer from one group of people to another group of people is mostly unproductive.

That's the futility of operating from a position of group identity.

[carnavas]

I’ve really been on these topics for some time now and can assure you, my country Iran is a very big cradle of this post modern insanity... especially with the youth and with the huge number of immigrants coming from Iran its like they help spread the disease. Maybe it was the geographical position of a country in middle of the middle east that gave way to a let’s-stand-in-the-middle-and-have-it-both-ways mentality but everyone here is either radical trans activist or radical feminist or radical religious or too poor to care. I think it’s rooted in a deep toxic complex and feelings of helplessness(maybe because of a lack of spirituality?I really don’t know) that breeds intolerance toward anything original and pure and great. This intolerance then moves to destroy the originality and purity of anything great instead of trying to work on that complex in the first place. People find personal gain and satisfaction in claiming a high moral standard then doing the exact things they condemned. This certainly is robbery in the mask of moral superiority. And they all behave and act the same no matter the gender race or whatever it’s always that same way of accusing others and doing the same damn thing. Like an advocating vegetarian who eats meat in the privacy of their home. I came to experience that some big Universities of America really contribute and acclaim to this way of thinking. All my friends who immigrated from Iran and graduated from UC Berkley or MIT or elsewhere big are terrifyingly down the road, they are the ones shouting ‘black people have every right to burn down a country they built for free” the loudest. I have lost hope for canada flooded by persian post modern people even more...

[Bill Ryan]

Affirming the fundamental equality of all people is now considered Hate Speech.

[Catsquotl]

Seems to me there is a place and time for everything. Affirming the fundamental equality of all people is not hate speech. It is just poor timing.
Disregarding the fact that this story is spun every which way. Saying all lives matter when riots and protests are in full swing to highlight the fact that blacks are more often on the receiving end of the spectrum is like saying going vegan is the way to go in places where people are dying of hunger or famine. I really cannot wrap my head around the rather selfish karenesque way that at the hight of the Black lives matter protests suddenly a lot of white feel the need to vocalise their own worth under the guise of all lives matter.

With Love

[Mike]

Seems to me there is a place and time for everything. Affirming the fundamental equality of all people is not hate speech. It is just poor timing.
Disregarding the fact that this story is spun every which way. Saying all lives matter when riots and protests are in full swing to highlight the fact that blacks are more often on the receiving end of the spectrum is like saying going vegan is the way to go in places where people are dying of hunger or famine. I really cannot wrap my head around the rather selfish karenesque way that at the hight of the Black lives matter protests suddenly a lot of white feel the need to vocalise their own worth under the guise of all lives matter.

With Love


I understand where you're coming from. I really do.

But 'All Lives Matter' isn't a knee jerk response to 'Black Lives Matter'. In this case it's a thoughtful response to Black Lives Matter going way too far.

Book banning. Historical statue toppling. Movie banning. Extortion. Blackmail. Emotional bullying. Death. Destruction. Cancelling. It's gone way too far.

BLM is hijacking victimhood and acting as if they're the only group of people with a gripe. Meanwhile they're victimizing everyone else with their behavior. See the irony?

They're weaponizing your compassion and using it against you.

[Catsquotl]

Seems to me there is a place and time for everything. Affirming the fundamental equality of all people is not hate speech. It is just poor timing.
Disregarding the fact that this story is spun every which way. Saying all lives matter when riots and protests are in full swing to highlight the fact that blacks are more often on the receiving end of the spectrum is like saying going vegan is the way to go in places where people are dying of hunger or famine. I really cannot wrap my head around the rather selfish karenesque way that at the hight of the Black lives matter protests suddenly a lot of white feel the need to vocalise their own worth under the guise of all lives matter.

With Love


I understand where you're coming from. I really do.

But 'All Lives Matter' isn't a knee jerk response to 'Black Lives Matter'. It's a thoughtful response to Black Lives Matter going way too far.

Book banning. Historical statue toppling. Movie banning. Extortion. Blackmail. Emotional bullying. Death. Destruction. Cancelling. It's gone way too far.

BLM is hijacking victimhood and acting as if they're the only group of people with a gripe. Meanwhile they're victimizing everyone else with their behavior. See the irony?

So who are we to say Black Lives Matter are taking things to far. We as privileged white folk have enslaved, abused and killed black people for centuries. Even today slavery exists. Now I am well aware that on a personal level things are indefinetly more intricate and nuanced. But I fail to understand why we would expect civilised working through differences and grief after putting an ethnic group through so much. Since Floyd's death 120 black human beings have been killed. The last week 5 have been found hanging from trees due to supposed suicides.

And here we are saying they are overreacting?

[Mike]

I’ve really been on these topics for some time now and can assure you, my country Iran is a very big cradle of this post modern insanity... especially with the youth and with the huge number of immigrants coming from Iran its like they help spread the disease. Maybe it was the geographical position of a country in middle of the middle east that gave way to a let’s-stand-in-the-middle-and-have-it-both-ways mentality but everyone here is either radical trans activist or radical feminist or radical religious or too poor to care. I think it’s rooted in a deep toxic complex and feelings of helplessness(maybe because of a lack of spirituality?I really don’t know) that breeds intolerance toward anything original and pure and great. This intolerance then moves to destroy the originality and purity of anything great instead of trying to work on that complex in the first place. People find personal gain and satisfaction in claiming a high moral standard then doing the exact things they condemned. This certainly is robbery in the mask of moral superiority. And they all behave and act the same no matter the gender race or whatever it’s always that same way of accusing others and doing the same damn thing. Like an advocating vegetarian who eats meat in the privacy of their home. I came to experience that some big Universities of America really contribute and acclaim to this way of thinking. All my friends who immigrated from Iran and graduated from UC Berkley or MIT or elsewhere big are terrifyingly down the road, they are the ones shouting ‘black people have every right to burn down a country they built for free” the loudest. I have lost hope for canada flooded by persian post modern people even more...


Thanks for sharing that Carnavas! That floored me. Wow, even in Iran.

It's likely my view of Iran is heavily tainted by Amercian propaganda and stereotype, admittedly. But somehow I had the impression that even something like open homosexuality could get you killed there. My rather uninformed opinion was mostly shaped by a small clip in Bill Maher's documentary 'Religulous', where he interviews 2 gay men and they express their fears about being gay in an Islamic environment.

Can you say a little more about all that? For instance, when did all this postmodern social justice stuff arrive in Iran, and where exactly in Iran did it begin? Did it begin in universities, like here in the US?

Thanks

[Mike]

Seems to me there is a place and time for everything. Affirming the fundamental equality of all people is not hate speech. It is just poor timing.
Disregarding the fact that this story is spun every which way. Saying all lives matter when riots and protests are in full swing to highlight the fact that blacks are more often on the receiving end of the spectrum is like saying going vegan is the way to go in places where people are dying of hunger or famine. I really cannot wrap my head around the rather selfish karenesque way that at the hight of the Black lives matter protests suddenly a lot of white feel the need to vocalise their own worth under the guise of all lives matter.

With Love


I understand where you're coming from. I really do.

But 'All Lives Matter' isn't a knee jerk response to 'Black Lives Matter'. It's a thoughtful response to Black Lives Matter going way too far.

Book banning. Historical statue toppling. Movie banning. Extortion. Blackmail. Emotional bullying. Death. Destruction. Cancelling. It's gone way too far.

BLM is hijacking victimhood and acting as if they're the only group of people with a gripe. Meanwhile they're victimizing everyone else with their behavior. See the irony?

So who are we to say Black Lives Matter are taking things to far. We as privileged white folk have enslaved, abused and killed black people for centuries. Even today slavery exists. Now I am well aware that on a personal level things are indefinetly more intricate and nuanced. But I fail to understand why we would expect civilised working through differences and grief after putting an ethnic group through so much. Since Floyd's death 120 black human beings have been killed. The last week 5 have been found hanging from trees due to supposed suicides.

And here we are saying they are overreacting?


I've never killed or abused or enslaved any black people. I dont know anyone who has. There are laws against that now. Have been for some time. Maybe you've noticed. People who violate them go to prison.

How many of those 120 black people you referenced that have been killed were killed by other black people? Look into that.

Who are we to have a say on whether BLM is going too far? We the people who are on the receiving end of their destruction, extortion, blackmail, book banning, movie banning, defunding, emotional bullying, and killing. That's who.

I see you've bought into the privilege doctrine hook, line and sinker, so I won't even attempt to make a dent there. But what about all the other minorities that are being affected by this? You might wanna check if the Hispanics want the police defunded? Ask the Asians too while you're at it. Oh, I doubt the Native Americans would be too thrilled either.

[Catsquotl]

Funny how you make this about you. And how you are not personally responsible for enslaving anyone. I never said you were.

As for me being baited by the privilege camp and otherwise uninformed....

Seems you are missing my point and label me into a sheeple position. One that I will leave you to gladly.

I've said what I wanted to say and you have demonstrated my points perfectly..

[Mike]

Funny how you make this about you. And how you are not personally responsible for enslaving anyone. I never said you were.

As for me being baited by the privilege camp and otherwise uninformed....

Seems you are missing my point and label me into a sheeple position. One that I will leave you to gladly.

I've said what I wanted to say and you have demonstrated my points perfectly..



Funny how you're not making this about you at all. Should be. If all this SJ postmodern crap is implemented like it appears to be, this will effect you in ways you can't even imagine. Enjoy your social bias "reeducation" classes. Update us all here and let us know how that goes, ok?

I'm guessing your attitude might be a bit different if your small business was molotov cocktail'ed and burnt to the ground, leaving you and your family broke and hungry. Or if you had made an insensitive remark in 1983 and are now permanently cancelled.

The witch hunt is going to come for you too, my friend. Make no mistake. The mob won't care for one moment that you've been a good little ally. In fact, they'll likely treat you even worse, just like they did that Minnesota mayor.

You're sanctimonious and naive. It's easy to play that game when you're holed up in your safe and cozy living room. But watch out, they're coming for you too

[Catsquotl]

Had something written here, but in retrospect I'll leave this thread as is.

[Bill Ryan]

Something to think about:

This is a statue of Matthias Baldwin, in Philadelphia. It was defaced by protestors, as if they were intent on erasing and trashing all history. And apparently without knowing a thing about history, either.

https://i2.wp.com/nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/baldwin-statue.jpg

Matthias Baldwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_W._Baldwin) was an honored abolitionist, a very fine man indeed. Here's the headline of this article: (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/park-volunteer-outraged-over-vandalism-of-monument-to-philadelphia-abolitionist-he-was-blm-before-there-was-a-slogan/)

Vandalism of Philadelphia Abolitionist Statue:
"He was BLM before there was a slogan"

Baldwin funded schools for black children out of his own pocket, as early as 1835. Yet protesters targeted his memory, too, just like [some of them] smash windows, burn buildings, and loot Target and Walmart.

Why? What's gone wrong here?

I understand that it only takes a few people in a crowd of 10,000 to deface a statue. Yet the violent urge to indiscriminately destroy almost anything at all seems increasingly endemic.

Anyone reading this who lives in America — if you're not concerned at where this is all headed at accelerating speed, it's possible that maybe you should be.

[fractal being]

Sorry to jump in. Being the starter of this thread mike, I hope you'll allow me 🙏



I'm guessing your attitude might be a bit different if your small business was molotov cocktail'ed and burnt to the ground, leaving you and your family broke and hungry.
All those group you mentioned have been living under those conditions since they remember themselves. They've been living more or less peacefully all this years patiently until you (as a society, not as a person) cared. But guess what, the wealth gap has been increasing for years and at the receiving high end has been majorly white old folks. Now it's the time for those repressed people to show their true power. It's a destructive one indeed, unless we all take our part and focus on what we might have consented with silently that brought us to this unjust world. In that sense 'all lives matter', because we all ought to do our part. But opposing the ones that are fed up and decided to do something about it, doesn't really lead to all lives matter. If you were trapped in poverty and hunger all your life, wouldn't you answer the call and revolt when the opportunity arose? Can't you empathise at least at that level with them?


You're sanctimonious and naive. It's easy to play that game when you're holed up in your safe and cozy living room. But watch out, they're coming for you too Projections much 😛 How would you know?

P.S. all the above are just rhetorical questions, you don't need to answer them if you don't feel to.

[Delight]

I think that every single one of us desires to be heard, understood and appreciated. We want to be with others who will show that we are "smart, likable and valuable". Such things on this forum as "thank you" button and the "comes around again" upset that people feel when they are seemingly "rejected" for their posts is because it is a "thing". It is a human "thing" to want to be "in"with groups we cherish. No matter how sure we may be we have "reasonably" come to understand something, we still feel good when others we respect validate our POV.

That IMO is 100% TRUE. If there is one person who really does not care about any positive feedback, then I doubt that one is using a communication tool.

Feeling the desire for validation when one has no original solid ground of knowledge and understanding is being in a boat with no oars, sail, motor.... ruddrless and pulled by whatever tides. Group think is a powerful pull and one has to have the equipment to withstand the loss of "face" when seen as "wrong". To feel shunned is to feel incredible pain and loss.

Bullies will be able to shame us ONLY because.....

WE FEEL WRONG already... shame is not what we do but who we "are". That is why we have to love ourselves enough to separate form groupiness thinkishness and the consequent actions taken because "everyone" (the ones you have chosen to be the important ones) expects us to demonstrate the "truth" of the group.

Lisa Renee always has interesting input.


What is Groupthink? (https://energeticsynthesis.com/resource-tools/news-shift-timelines)

Groupthink refers to a psychological phenomenon in collective consciousness in which individuals desire consensus opinion and approval from others within their community-group, and many times will set aside or abandon personal value systems or beliefs in order to feel like they belong in order to gain the groups acceptance and perceived approval. The internal pressure that is felt as the necessity to be loyal to the groupthink ideology can be perceived as real or imaginary threats. Although we can see in the current strategy of censorship and thought control, there are repercussions which amount to threats, accusations, humiliation and even the loss of job and profession. This happens when a person is outcast from not aligning their speech, thought and behavior exactly to the ideology of the groupthink. This is another form of compelled speech in mind control which is used in authoritarian regimes to stop any intellectual development, intelligent debates, critical thinking and thus persecute and penalize any independent thinker from adding to the groupthink approved conversation. This works to keep the majority of people silent and in submission to the mob rule.

Most people deeply fear being persecuted and ostracized from their group identity, as it is a fundamental human need to feel like we belong to someone or something. This is especially heightened for middle school age children and young adults, as peer pressure is one of the most powerful dynamics a child will face during the most impressionable stages of their personal development. The Controllers and those using ideological subversion mind control content are well aware of the challenges of peer pressure on young adults, and thus tend to target groupthink ideology to radicalize the younger generations by infiltrating their popular youth culture. Lenin’s popular quote about targeting the education of children with social engineering into a communist based ideology demonstrates what is being made visible in the outerscape of western or democratic society today. Examples of targeting the children are seen with the Canadian Prime Minister giving a speech asking parents to leave the room so he can address their children privately, while the World Health Organization cautioned that children may need to be separated from their parents due to the plandemic. Recently, the New York Times ran an article demanding that people should tell their family members they will never see them again until they donate and show their public support for Black Lives Matter. These are intelligence psyop directives taken directly from the Marxist-Lenin playbook for separating families and estranging children from their parents, by rewarding the kids for acting out as useful puppets for the ideological narrative approved by that group or nation-state.

As an ideology in the 20th century only atheistic Communism, with its murder and mass killings in multiple millions, are responsible for more deaths and violence than any religion or political system. This is why this ideology is so popular in the organizations working for the Satanic death cult, it has worked well for securing mass blood sacrifice in the past histories. The following are some basic guidelines for ideological subverters that are working to destroy a culture, nation or identity. Please hold some space for thoughtful reflection on what the consequences of these could be on the minds of children, youth and adults and note how many of these steps are active today, with visible evidence demonstrated in the culture. What I want to make clear is that these were not the events of random evolution chosen by individuals, these were purposely guided as a mind control agenda for spreading harm to the people. This has been followed as a rule book by media, education systems and all forms of social engineering used by subverters to confuse the public, so the Controllers can remain in power and have all the wealth. This propaganda must stop if we want to live as free people in a free society.

The purposeful creation of racial offences and promotion of racism
Continual change of rules in society to create confusion
Teaching young children about sex, with advanced sexual positions, fetishes and homosexuality
Undermining of school and teacher’s authority, dumbing down education
Promote and saturate huge immigration waves to destroy national identity
Attack churches and empty them out, remove sources of faith and human connection
Corrupt the legal system to support predators, with bias against victims of crime
Promote addiction and excessive use of drugs, alcohol and getting high
Control entertainment and media to 6th grade levels or lower, dumb down popular media
Encourage the breakdown of family, poor parenthood skills, single mothers, absent fathers
Manipulate and steal self-esteem through dependency on the state and encourage victimhood
Confuse identity and gender with new classification systems, promote nonexistent issues as the main problems in society
Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
~ Vladimir Lenin

[Delight]

oh sweet! thanks Delight! i love Daniel. he gives me hope.

I love Daniel too.

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[Bill Ryan]

If the aliens arrived tonight and offered to take me with them, I'd seriously consider going.

Me too.

Narrative warfare is discussed here 42:19

db-Xn2gzGxUI've only got to 35:15 (so far). But that was my stop-and-stare-out-the-window moment. :)

Daniel isn't afraid to stop and think for quite a long time (on live video!) when asked a good question. Here, he shares that it took a year to build his house, but he could destroy it in minutes with a wrecker ball, or by setting it on fire.

And it takes 20+ years to grow an adult human, but you can destroy a person in a second.

The point he makes is that the processes (intellectual, emotional and motivational) of creating a complex system and destroying one are totally, totally different.

And to add my own thoughts to that: (though maybe Daniel is going there)

BLM and Antifa (the two being closely related) are both focused on destruction, to a considerable extent. Many other popular movements are, too. And the soundbite news cycles which that destruction generates are so much more dramatic and valued by the propagandist media.

The complex, positive, constructive, creative process is the stuff of theses, documentaries, or books that have taken two years to write — not twitter, slogans on a placard, or graffiti on a statue or someone else's shop window. :)

That's all so easy, simplistic, intellectually lazy, and limited. Period.

[carnavas]

I’ve really been on these topics for some time now and can assure you, my country Iran is a very big cradle of this post modern insanity... especially with the youth and with the huge number of immigrants coming from Iran its like they help spread the disease. Maybe it was the geographical position of a country in middle of the middle east that gave way to a let’s-stand-in-the-middle-and-have-it-both-ways mentality but everyone here is either radical trans activist or radical feminist or radical religious or too poor to care. I think it’s rooted in a deep toxic complex and feelings of helplessness(maybe because of a lack of spirituality?I really don’t know) that breeds intolerance toward anything original and pure and great. This intolerance then moves to destroy the originality and purity of anything great instead of trying to work on that complex in the first place. People find personal gain and satisfaction in claiming a high moral standard then doing the exact things they condemned. This certainly is robbery in the mask of moral superiority. And they all behave and act the same no matter the gender race or whatever it’s always that same way of accusing others and doing the same damn thing. Like an advocating vegetarian who eats meat in the privacy of their home. I came to experience that some big Universities of America really contribute and acclaim to this way of thinking. All my friends who immigrated from Iran and graduated from UC Berkley or MIT or elsewhere big are terrifyingly down the road, they are the ones shouting ‘black people have every right to burn down a country they built for free” the loudest. I have lost hope for canada flooded by persian post modern people even more...


Thanks for sharing that Carnavas! That floored me. Wow, even in Iran.

It's likely my view of Iran is heavily tainted by Amercian propaganda and stereotype, admittedly. But somehow I had the impression that even something like open homosexuality could get you killed there. My rather uninformed opinion was mostly shaped by a small clip in Bill Maher's documentary 'Religulous', where he interviews 2 gay men and they express their fears about being gay in an Islamic environment.

Can you say a little more about all that? For instance, when did all this postmodern social justice stuff arrive in Iran, and where exactly in Iran did it begin? Did it begin in universities, like here in the US?

Thanks

Sorry that I’m going to be long.:biggrin:

Transsexuals and lgb’s are 2 separate matter here.
First of all, yes there is a death penalty for sexual act of gay men only (100 lashes for lesbian), there have been executions, but the rate is under 1% of the lgb population currently living here. So many lgbs are currently amongst the youth and they all have a Twitter acc nowadays. These laws are the exact laws of Islam first written by muhammad and it is written so that the penalty would be hopefully avoided by all gays. You will need 4 sane men testify that they saw you within the sexual act and they have to prove their time and location, if any of them fails to do so or fails to show up all of them will be punished so that no one could fake it. And because house cleaners back then were mostly women and they were more likely to catch gays they made the note of 2 women witness instead of each men. And even if it is proven you can still give repentance and avoid execution, those that end up executed are the ones that insist. Without any witness they can execute you only by the fourth time of allegation and self confessions without repentance. If you deny they can’t investigate further. As long as you keep it to yourself and don’t go kissing on the street you’ll be fine. So the spirit of law is not in favor of execution but more for deterrence and has historic roots. The ones exaggerating more than this are trying to gain refugee. I can give an example of this persian movie called “Atom Heart Mother” which got banned and then lifted and the protagonists are gay (they’re not explicit about it though).

Transsexuals can have sex reassignment surgery freely, this was amongst the first things supported by the Islamic Regime because they didn’t want a man or woman claiming the opposite sex without changing their bodies so they supported the idea. They have to fully transition or maybe start on hormones to be legally changed. We don’t have many support structures for trans people but so too for any other cause. I heard the gov would pay half the surgery price but don’t know if they still do. After Thailand, Iran has the most SR surgeries.

As for the parent of our current troubles, post modernism, I can argue that it was birthed and created in a historical way within families in Iran from the start of time and the appearance of the country! And as I said it’s because of the geopolitical position of the country itself, in middle of the middle east having everything sideways. When you are strategically important and positioned you’re more prone to cancer, Tehran conference (1943) was one of the three conferences that led to the end of world war. 90% of the population consists of the middle class. Basically all countries that have a historic past of conventionality will turn post modern when confronted with modernity era. Even Shia Islam (and the Islamic Republic of Iran) is a post modern version of Islam and that’s why a vast majority inhabit Iran, they are inherently compatible. By Michel foucault’s narrative after traveling to Iran in 1978, post modernity of Shia gave way to Islamic Revolution. Shia was first recognized and established in the Safavid dynasty (1500-1736) where they had gay men brothels. Another example is the famous persian poet Rumi, his poems and himself are far too post modern not in a philosophical aspect but in our current definition of the word, besides him being gay.

Persian movies too, for example we have a female protagonist which is the symbol of purity and innocence killed in the end and somehow the killer is very subtly praised or justified (the same that happened in the Joker movie where we have a killer justified for its killings). Post modernity = paradoxical thinking
This first hand experience of post modernism gives Iranians an opportunity to come up with a more accurate alternative by criticizing themselves.

[Constance]

So who are we to say Black Lives Matter are taking things to far. We as privileged white folk have enslaved, abused and killed black people for centuries. Even today slavery exists. Now I am well aware that on a personal level things are indefinetly more intricate and nuanced. But I fail to understand why we would expect civilised working through differences and grief after putting an ethnic group through so much. Since Floyd's death 120 black human beings have been killed. The last week 5 have been found hanging from trees due to supposed suicides.

And here we are saying they are overreacting?


Whenever we take things out of the present moment, it is not an equal level playing field because as an individual or a collective, we were not there in that time or in that place. (Maybe in another incarnation but that is another story :))

The other problem we have in society is when we speak on behalf of others or speak about others as if we truly know and understand where they are at. We misrepresent individuals within that group or misrepresent the group as a whole whenever we do this.

To use an example of how and when this does not reflect the whole, I'm not white. Actually that is not true, I'm technically one quarter white. My father is Asian and my mother is Scottish with Jewish ancestry. And I'm not privileged. I grew up very poor, in a very poor neighbourhood.

The other thing I observe happening is that whenever we speak on behalf of others, there is a tendency to slide into group think, as Delight mentioned in an above post. I posted a video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110875-How-You-Really-Make-Decisions-and-the-confirmation-bias-affect&p=1360343&viewfull=1#post1360343) by Derren Brown called Remote Control that I think you might find interesting Catsquotl.

Mikey, I would like to encourage you to start that thread. :flower::flower:


I heard this wonderful quote today, and it may even be worthy of its own thread:
"racial groups can never reconcile, only individuals can."

Lastly, as I have mentioned before in another thread, I would infinitely prefer the saying Honour all beings over All lives matter because to honour all beings, is to honour the spirit in you all. (the spiritual) It more accurately reflects who we truly are.

It might well be true what Carnavas said here (projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111191-Menstruators-And-People-Of-Whiteness-Act-Now-&p=1361389&viewfull=1#post1361389)


maybe because of a lack of spirituality

Whenever spirituality comes first, all flows from there. We can have equanimity and peace.

[Bill Ryan]

And I'm not privileged. I grew up very poor, in a very poor neighbourhood.

:heart:

That's an opportunity to add an important note here. "White privilege" fits neatly on a placard. And it doesn't need that much paint to spray it on a statue.

But more accurate might be "White financial privilege that often grants greater financial opportunity".

But that's too much paint. And harder to chant like a metronomic repetitive slogan. (There aren't many war-tribe rhymes there!)

The key word there is "financial". Most people reading this will know of families who live in what many might term poverty but whose lives and families are happy, fulfilled, balanced, healthy and loving.

And the opposite, too. Many rich-parent brat-kids end up valuing ONLY opulence. And look at the psychopathic destruction they wreak on the world when their greed propels them into positions of power and influence.

For those who've not seen this (I've posted it two or three times in years past), here's a true story about whatever privilege and happiness may mean. (They are manifestly different.) This story, too, is enough to make one stop and stare out of the window for quite a long time.

:flower:

In 1989 I was in Nairobi, Kenya for a couple of weeks. I was staying in a small guest house a couple of miles from the city center.

Every day I walked down the long road to the post office and market, and walked back. And every day I passed a beggar who was sitting on a dirty blanket at a street corner.

This man's arms and legs were shriveled. He could not walk. He wore a loincloth. He sat on the ground, and crawled around on his blanket. He had nothing at all.

But each time I passed by - twice a day for 14 days - he was surrounded by people. They were laughing, joking, having fun. The little beggar-man was always happy. His face was permanently wreathed in smiles. This was where the party was at, all the time, every day.

He was the man. I never once saw him other than enjoying life to the full. His friends - many of them - clearly loved him dearly.

This experience changed me profoundly. Every day I wondered at this man and his friends. One of my greatest regrets is that I never approached him to say hello.

Ten years later, I returned to Nairobi. I tried hard to find him. I wanted to give him something to thank him for his great contribution to my life. I could not. I assume he had died.

I can never tell this story on stage or in an interview: I would not be able to keep it together. That little African beggar, bless his eternal soul, taught me that one does not have not have things to be happy: one only has to create one's own joy with the people one loves. In the context of this, little else matters.

[Mike]

Sorry to jump in. Being the starter of this thread mike, I hope you'll allow me 🙏



I'm guessing your attitude might be a bit different if your small business was molotov cocktail'ed and burnt to the ground, leaving you and your family broke and hungry.
All those group you mentioned have been living under those conditions since they remember themselves. They've been living more or less peacefully all this years patiently until you (as a society, not as a person) cared. But guess what, the wealth gap has been increasing for years and at the receiving high end has been majorly white old folks. Now it's the time for those repressed people to show their true power. It's a destructive one indeed, unless we all take our part and focus on what we might have consented with silently that brought us to this unjust world. In that sense 'all lives matter', because we all ought to do our part. But opposing the ones that are fed up and decided to do something about it, doesn't really lead to all lives matter. If you were trapped in poverty and hunger all your life, wouldn't you answer the call and revolt when the opportunity arose? Can't you empathise at least at that level with them?


You're sanctimonious and naive. It's easy to play that game when you're holed up in your safe and cozy living room. But watch out, they're coming for you too Projections much 😛 How would you know?

P.S. all the above are just rhetorical questions, you don't need to answer them if you don't feel to.


of course you can jump in:thumbsup:

i do sympathize with anyone who is suffering. you'll likely find this hard to believe, but i'm actually one of these empath types. my heart is breaking all the time for all kinds of people who aren't me. and btw, i'm not glorifying that. i think it's obnoxious. people like me must train themselves to manage their emotions, otherwise we crumble.

but my sympathy has its limits, especially when it is being weaponized and used against me to usher in an ideology that i find detestable, which is social justice postmodernism.

i'm afraid i haven't done a very good job of describing what postmodernism really is in all my rantings over the last few months. it's my sincere wish that everyone here watch the Evergreen documentary. i could explain once again what postmodernism is, and how it's manifesting now in the US and the rest of the world, but it would likely be in vain. The doc displays it in all it's glory, and is really a must see (and also the perfect case study for the current situation).

if i were trapped in poverty and hunger my whole life, yes i'd be bitter. but your hypothetical question jumps the shark with the word "trapped". no one in this country is ever really trapped; that negates any notion of personal responsibility, hard work, and competence. some may have to work a little harder (or a lot harder) but it is doable.

resentment almost always means that you have to grow up and get your sh!t together and take personal responsibility for yourself. when you accept that, the whole world begins to open up for you.

the world is an uncomfortable place, for everyone.

you'll have to explain what you mean by 'repressed', exactly. and also what you mean by 'equality' before i can say anything further on that.

but if you're talking about the 1%, those white folks at the top of the wealth gap are "oppressing" everyone, including white folks.

and most of us, currently - black or white or whatever - are also in that 1% if we go by historical standards. the average person in the early 20th century lived on the equivalent of something like 2 dollars a day.

we haven't the slightest clue as to how good we all have it now.

[Constance]

it's my sincere wish that everyone here watch the Evergreen documentary. i could explain once again what postmodernism is, and how it's manifesting now in the US and the rest of the world, but it would likely be in vain. The doc displays it in all it's glory, and is really a must see (and also the perfect case study for the current situation).



Is this the Evergreen doco (https://www.ratburger.org/index.php/2019/07/08/documentary-on-evergreen-college-brett-weinstein/) you are referring to Mikey?


Part 1
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[Catsquotl]

The other thing I observe happening is that whenever we speak on behalf of others, there is a tendency to slide into group think, as Delight mentioned in an above post. I posted a video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110875-How-You-Really-Make-Decisions-and-the-confirmation-bias-affect&p=1360343&viewfull=1#post1360343) by Derren Brown called Remote Control that I think you might find interesting Catsquotl.




Why would i find that interesting?
I can venture a guess, but I feel this entire thread is full of guesses and assumptions.



Objectively I am seeing a bunch of white people discuss the dangers of a group of angry black people and trying to narrate the story in such a way they are don't in whatsoever way have to take any responsibility whilst simultaniously judging a group of people who have every right to be very very pissed of on the way they handle their emotions.


I said before that I am well aware that this story is spun in ways that benefit those that gain from a divide and conquer strategy. But that doesn't mean that their efforts to get a significant portion of people in america riled up through long silent and openly hateful strategy whould be met with complacency.


Now as for me. none of you know where I am at, wether i am rich or poor, how I experienced privilidge or not and what my childhood experiences regarding people of a different color than mine shaped the way I feel about these events.


However subjectively I feel that instead of asking for clarification my words are read. And filed into a few categories that suit your agendas. Which is fine, but remote control works both ways. And it would be good to remeber that whenever worldly events start to come really really close and we can no longer intelectualize our conspiracy bias, but are asked to sit and watch and listen for a while when someone else is having a moment for a change.


Again it isn't about us white folk.

I would ask you all to go and ask a few black people how they experience systemic racism, but maybe wait a while, because I figure some are getting pretty tired of explaining how this works for them.

Besides we are all researchers of truth here.. It is out there to find if we are willing to open ourselves up for some inconvenient truths that is.



Now to make it clear I am not calling anybody a racist. And I am sure everybody means well.


With Love
Eelco

[Mike]

There it is:thumbsup: Thank you Con:bearhug:

Bill has also posted a link to it, so there's no excuse for anyone to avoid it now. Teamwork:)

Although it is very difficult for my rational mind to accept that George Floyd's death may have been planned in some way, I'm having an equally hard time trying to disassociate it from all the dominos that are falling at the moment. The odds of this perfect storm happening now, all at once, seem just as unlikely as Floyd's death being planned and orchestrated. Lots of cognitive dissonance!

not too long ago this social justice postmodernism was slowly strangling the country, like a cobra, while many of us were blissfully unaware of it. i feel pretty strongly now that someone(s) wanted or needed to accelerate the pace of that takeover. at the moment it seems like the only logical way to look at the situation, to me

i regard this sjw postmodernism as a kind of passive aggressive satanism. that's my current theory. i see people who seem, quite literally, possessed by ideology. if i can muster up the energy maybe i'll start a thread on that

[Mike]

Bill thanks for sharing that great story about the beggar in Nairobi!

RE Daniel: i find i have to stop and stare out the window nearly every time he utters anything. it takes me hours to get thru his vids as a result.

These 'intellectual dark web' people like Daniel, J.Peterson, Weinstein brothers, Heather Heying, Helen Pluckrose etc may be one of the only things preventing the world from going total bat sh!t crazy.

I like how Daniel has reduced the issue into the simple phrase: sense making. Bill, far as i'm concerned you were the intellectual dark web before the dark web ever existed. it was your dedication to sense making in such murky areas that made the journey so worthwhile and so much fun for the rest of us who were following along with you. we're in debt to you for that

[Constance]

The other thing I observe happening is that whenever we speak on behalf of others, there is a tendency to slide into group think, as Delight mentioned in an above post. I posted a video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110875-How-You-Really-Make-Decisions-and-the-confirmation-bias-affect&p=1360343&viewfull=1#post1360343) by Derren Brown called Remote Control that I think you might find interesting Catsquotl.




Why would i find that interesting?
I can venture a guess, but I feel this entire thread is full of guesses and assumptions.



Objectively I am seeing a bunch of white people discuss the dangers of a group of angry black people and trying to narrate the story in such a way they are neither in whatsoever wat have to take any responsibility whilst simultaniously judging a group of people who have every right to be very very pissed of on the way they handle their emotions.


I said before that I am well aware that this story is spun in ways that benefit those that gain from a divide and conquer strategy. But that doesn't mean that their efforts to get a significant portion of people in america riled up through long silent and openly hateful strategy whould be met with complacency.


Now as for me. none of you know where I am at, wether i am rich or poor, how I experienced privilidge or not and what my childhood experiences regarding people of a different color than mine shaped the way I feel about these events.


However subjectively I feel that instead of asking for clarification my words are read. And filed into a few categories that suit your agendas. Which is fine, but remote control works both ways. And it would be good to remeber that whenever worldly events start to come really really close and we can no longer intelectualize our conspiracy bias, but are asked to sit and watch and listen for a while when someone else is having a moment for a change.


Again it isn't about us white folk.

I would ask you all to go and ask a few black people how they experience systemic racism, but maybe wait a while, because I figure some are getting pretty tired of explaining how this works for them.

Besides we are all researchers of truth here.. It is out there to find if we are willing to open ourselves up for some inconvenient truths that is.



Now to make it clear I am not calling anybody a racist. And I am sure everybody means well.


With Love
Eelco



Why would i find that interesting?
I can venture a guess, but I feel this entire thread is full of guesses and assumptions.

Yes, you were venturing a guess because if you knew me, you would know that this wasn't where I was coming from. I spend most of my time here on the forum expressing all that I am and working to inspire and educate others.

To be exact, I said, "I think you might find interesting". Translation for what it is worth? My intention was to politely point to something that may or may not interest to you. :flower:



I would ask you all to go and ask a few black people how they experience systemic racism, but maybe wait a while, because I figure some are getting pretty tired of explaining how this works for them.

How do you know we already haven't? Who is doing all the assuming here?

Do you know me personally enough to say who I hang out with, or who I talk to, or how I grew up or who I grew up with?
Does anybody else know who I hang out with or how I grew up and who I grew up with?
There might be only a handful of people on this entire forum who really knows me well enough to make a comment about who or what I am. Can you see how this all becomes problematic?



Objectively I am seeing a bunch of white people discuss the dangers of a group of angry black people and trying to narrate the story in such a way they are neither in whatsoever wat have to take any responsibility whilst simultaniously judging a group of people who have every right to be very very pissed of on the way they handle their emotions.

Objectively or Subjectively?

Once again, whenever we claim to speak on behalf of others, we are misrepresenting the individuals or the groups. And it is why I was encouraging you to watch Derren Browns video. But if you are not interested, that is none of my business.:flower:


However subjectively I feel that instead of asking for clarification my words are read. And filed into a few categories that suit your agendas.

That may be your perception, but it doesn't make it the truth.

What exactly is my/our agenda?

And who are you referring to when you say, us white folk? Are you including me in this after sharing that I am not 100% white, maybe only 30% at best?


Now as for me. none of you know where I am at, wether i am rich or poor, how I experienced privilidge or not and what my childhood experiences regarding people of a different color than mine shaped the way I feel about these events.


Well then do that because when you speak from personal experience, expressing all that you are, you are honouring yourself and everyone else.

[Catsquotl]

Well then do that because when you speak from personal experience, expressing all that you are, you are honouring yourself and everyone else.

Then without guessing, I am asking Why would I be interested in that?
I watched the end of it btw before I responded the first time.

Judging from the video's shared(Objectively no afro american to see anywhere in them.), the profile pictures and the names of the peope engaged in this thread I think it's save to say most are white.
I could be very wrong, but I do assume that none of us is sharing the demographic of those that are rioting in the streets over the death of yet another afro american at the hands of a white police officer.

As for categorising and agenda's the following quote from a few posts back came to mind when I uttered those words.

Funny how you're not making this about you at all. Should be. If all this SJ postmodern crap is implemented like it appears to be planned to be, this will effect you in ways you can't even imagine. Enjoy your social bias "reeducation" classes. Update us all here and let us know how that goes, ok?

I'm guessing your attitude might be a bit different if your small business was molotov cocktail'ed and burnt to the ground, leaving you and your family broke and hungry. Or if you had made an insensitive remark in 1983 and are now permanently cancelled.

The witch hunt is going to come for you too, my friend. Make no mistake. The mob won't care for one moment that you've been a good little ally. In fact, they'll likely treat you even worse, just like they did that Minnesota mayor.

You're sanctimonious and naive. It's easy to play that game when you're holed up in your safe and cozy living room. But watch out, they're coming for you too


I am no where near ready to share the circumstances leading up to my current stance in fear of them being picked apart and used to show how I am a victim of the mass media controlled program. Like you I have been around forum land a while and with some searching here and over on other forums one can easily find the hows and the why's


With Love

[Mike]

The other thing I observe happening is that whenever we speak on behalf of others, there is a tendency to slide into group think, as Delight mentioned in an above post. I posted a video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110875-How-You-Really-Make-Decisions-and-the-confirmation-bias-affect&p=1360343&viewfull=1#post1360343) by Derren Brown called Remote Control that I think you might find interesting Catsquotl.




Why would i find that interesting?
I can venture a guess, but I feel this entire thread is full of guesses and assumptions.



Objectively I am seeing a bunch of white people discuss the dangers of a group of angry black people and trying to narrate the story in such a way they are don't in whatsoever way have to take any responsibility whilst simultaniously judging a group of people who have every right to be very very pissed of on the way they handle their emotions.


I said before that I am well aware that this story is spun in ways that benefit those that gain from a divide and conquer strategy. But that doesn't mean that their efforts to get a significant portion of people in america riled up through long silent and openly hateful strategy whould be met with complacency.


Now as for me. none of you know where I am at, wether i am rich or poor, how I experienced privilidge or not and what my childhood experiences regarding people of a different color than mine shaped the way I feel about these events.


However subjectively I feel that instead of asking for clarification my words are read. And filed into a few categories that suit your agendas. Which is fine, but remote control works both ways. And it would be good to remeber that whenever worldly events start to come really really close and we can no longer intelectualize our conspiracy bias, but are asked to sit and watch and listen for a while when someone else is having a moment for a change.


Again it isn't about us white folk.

I would ask you all to go and ask a few black people how they experience systemic racism, but maybe wait a while, because I figure some are getting pretty tired of explaining how this works for them.

Besides we are all researchers of truth here.. It is out there to find if we are willing to open ourselves up for some inconvenient truths that is.



Now to make it clear I am not calling anybody a racist. And I am sure everybody means well.


With Love
Eelco


i think you mean well too. we're just disagreeing on some things. it's pretty cool that we can have this open dialogue here and offer our various viewpoints, because we're approaching a dangerous time where that might not be possible

the problem i have with BLM is that you can't have an opposing viewpoint. at least here in the states anyway. if you do, you get fired. lose your job. there are many examples of this. you lose your reputation. your life can be destroyed by merely offering up logical concerns. this doesn't trouble you??

you say they have a right to be pissed off. do they have a right to destroy small businesses? do they have a right to loot walmarts? do they have a right to extort/blackmail people who do not fully support BLM? do they have the right to emotionally bully? destroy historical landmarks? ban books? ban movies? rewrite history?

and if you really do think they have that right, just how much more chaos do you think they're entitled to until you feel it will have gone too far??? how many more people will have to die or get shot? i'm genuinely curious. i'm asking in good faith, to anyone who supports BLM and thinks this thread has been unfair. at what point, exactly, will you say: ya know, this isn't right, it's gone too far now. i'm out..

because these things do affect us "white folk". and hispanic folk. and asian folk. and indian folk, and native folk. plus, the whole thing is being used as an excuse to usher in the religion of social justice. are you not disturbed by that?

[Delight]

I think there is so much MORE to deal with than any particular "hot button" issue and I think Daniel Schmachtenberger is a great teacher.

Moloch is our common enemy....

Converting Moloch from Sith to Jedi w/ Daniel Schmachtenberger

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Article reference in video


MEDITATIONS ON MOLOCH
POSTED ON JULY 30, 2014 BY SCOTT ALEXANDER (https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/)
[Also available as podcast here (https://sscpodcast.libsyn.com/meditations-on-moloch)]

I.

Allen Ginsberg’s famous poem on Moloch:

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!

Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!

Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!

Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!

Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities!

Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!

Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! ********** in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!

Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky!

Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!

They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!

Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river!

Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bull****!

Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Ten years’ animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time!

Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!

What’s always impressed me about this poem is its conception of civilization as an individual entity. You can almost see him, with his fingers of armies and his skyscraper-window eyes.

A lot of the commentators say Moloch represents capitalism. This is definitely a piece of it, even a big piece. But it doesn’t quite fit. Capitalism, whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen? Capitalism in whom I am a consciousness without a body? Capitalism, therefore granite cocks?

Moloch is introduced as the answer to a question – C. S. Lewis’ question in Hierarchy Of Philosophers – what does it? Earth could be fair, and all men glad and wise. Instead we have prisons, smokestacks, asylums. What sphinx of cement and aluminum breaks open their skulls and eats up their imagination?

And Ginsberg answers: Moloch does it.

There’s a passage in the Principia Discordia where Malaclypse complains to the Goddess about the evils of human society. “Everyone is hurting each other, the planet is rampant with injustices, whole societies plunder groups of their own people, mothers imprison sons, children perish while brothers war.”

The Goddess answers: “What is the matter with that, if it’s what you want to do?”

Malaclypse: “But nobody wants it! Everybody hates it!”

Goddess: “Oh. Well, then stop.”

The implicit question is – if everyone hates the current system, who perpetuates it? And Ginsberg answers: “Moloch”. It’s powerful not because it’s correct – nobody literally thinks an ancient Carthaginian demon causes everything – but because thinking of the system as an agent throws into relief the degree to which the system isn’t an agent.(continued (https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/))

[Constance]

I see that you are trying to make a point here when you say


I could be very wrong, but I do assume that none of us is sharing the demographic of those that are rioting in the streets over the death of yet another afro american at the hands of a white police officer.

However, once again, this only reinforces what I said earlier. Whenever we speak outside of our own experiences and whenever we speak for another individual or a group, we are assuming that we know what is in the hearts and minds of those individuals.

I'll give you a practical example of how I feel this all works. I have a number of black friends here in Australia and a very very large number of Asian relatives (I come from a very big family, thirteen siblings on my mum and dads sides - lots of interracial marriages - I only found out a short time ago that my dad's family is bigger than that but another story for another time) but I do not presume to speak on their behalf (even though I know most of my black friends reasonably well) because I could potentially be misinterpreting or misrepresenting what are in their hearts and minds. I would dishonour these individuals if I spoke on their behalf because they are not present to defend themselves. (or correct me if I'm wrong)

And I'd like to give you another example if I may? That quote you took from Mike's post. I'm not going to answer to that because I cannot speak on Mikes behalf. I cannot claim to know exactly what is in Mikes heart or mind. And, it would take me outside of the present moment (which is all we truly have). If I was to begin to share outside of what I was consciously aware of, I would be compromising, contradicting and denying my own heart.



I am no where near ready to share the circumstances leading up to my current stance in fear of them being picked apart and used to show how I am a victim of the mass media controlled program.

I truly believe that if you were to share soley from your own unique experience that Avalonians would wholeheartedly and unconditionally support you. :heart:




Well then do that because when you speak from personal experience, expressing all that you are, you are honouring yourself and everyone else.

Then without guessing, I am asking Why would I be interested in that?
I watched the end of it btw before I responded the first time.

Judging from the video's shared(Objectively no afro american to see anywhere in them.), the profile pictures and the names of the peope engaged in this thread I think it's save to say most are white.
I could be very wrong, but I do assume that none of us is sharing the demographic of those that are rioting in the streets over the death of yet another afro american at the hands of a white police officer.

As for categorising and agenda's the following quote from a few posts back came to mind when I uttered those words.

Funny how you're not making this about you at all. Should be. If all this SJ postmodern crap is implemented like it appears to be planned to be, this will effect you in ways you can't even imagine. Enjoy your social bias "reeducation" classes. Update us all here and let us know how that goes, ok?

I'm guessing your attitude might be a bit different if your small business was molotov cocktail'ed and burnt to the ground, leaving you and your family broke and hungry. Or if you had made an insensitive remark in 1983 and are now permanently cancelled.

The witch hunt is going to come for you too, my friend. Make no mistake. The mob won't care for one moment that you've been a good little ally. In fact, they'll likely treat you even worse, just like they did that Minnesota mayor.

You're sanctimonious and naive. It's easy to play that game when you're holed up in your safe and cozy living room. But watch out, they're coming for you too


I am no where near ready to share the circumstances leading up to my current stance in fear of them being picked apart and used to show how I am a victim of the mass media controlled program. Like you I have been around forum land a while and with some searching here and over on other forums one can easily find the hows and the why's


With Love

[Catsquotl]

you say they have a right to be pissed off. do they have a right to destroy small businesses? do they have a right to loot walmarts? do they have a right to extort/blackmail people who do not fully support BLM? do they have the right to emotionally bully? destroy historical landmarks? ban books? ban movies? rewrite history?

and if you really do think they have that right, just how much more chaos do you think they're entitled to until you feel it will have gone too far??? how many more people will have to die or get shot? i'm genuinely curious. i'm asking in good faith, to anyone who supports BLM and thinks this thread has been unfair. at what point, exactly, will you say, ya know, this isn't right, it's gone too far now.

because these things do affect us "white folk". and hispanic folk. and asian folk. and indian folk, and native folk. plus, the whole thing is being used as an excuse to usher in the religion of social justice. are you not disturbed by that?


I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. That said I am not in America, but relatively save from it all on the other side of the atlantic.
When is enough enough? I don't know. For now though I think it is time for people to say enough is enough. I also think that as a priviliged white man I should stay in the background. I feel that this will not blow over if White people are going to start taking over and "help/save" do away with racism.



What I do know is this. For some reason the death of this man as well as a few others in the weeks prior. Have build up to a pressure point that needed an outlet. That outlet was found or created or whatever, it is there. WiIth Mars going into Aries in 2 weeks and staying there for pretty much the rest of the year There is no obvious or easy solution to this. And I fear it wil linger and smolder and burn all that time.


I can only hope that at the end of it we can reconcile and find common ground again.
Does that mean I condone all that is happening? No, but at the same time I am very aware of the grievances on both sides. For the time being though I am choosing to stand in support of an ethnic group that has systematically been at the receiving end of racism and hope, pray, chant and spell that they find a way out of their anger.


Changes don't come easy. For the last few years I have been troubled by the continuing pressure to be politically correct. I have objected against the disappearance of a dutch childrens feast where "black faced" people were helpers for as long as I can remember. (Black facing doesn't have the same connotation or meaning as it has in the states with regards to this feast.) I have felt awkwardly ill at easy with the incessant cry from the BLGT+ community to watch my language and use of pronouns and what have you's, but you know what I find? That most of that struggle to conform to that is in my head. There is absolutely no reason to worry about what to call someone because in most instances when you make a friend it is natural to use a pronoun they feel comfortable with. And when you slip up once most will tell you what they prefer. No harm no foul.


Back to black.

In my home town next sunday there will be a demonstration. A march in support of #blacklivesmatter. My 14 year old daughter wants to go.
So the missus is worried for counter demonstrations. So I will go with my daughter to keep an ye on things. So I read up on the date and venue etc etc. I am appalled at the amount of openly and unnuanced racist hatred people are spewing against this march. So there's that.



I agree that all live matters, But I will support black live matters at the moment because they (afro american community)are grieving and angry now.
For how long? I don't know.


Did you by the way see the video where a white woman set fire to wendies?



With Love

[Catsquotl]

I truly believe that if you were to share soley from your own unique experience that Avalonians would wholeheartedly and unconditionally support you. :heart:



After some soul searching I have listened to people from the afro american community. In video's and podcasts to try and find out what I as a whit bloke could do to help.
What was said more then once by the people I chose to listen to was to stay in the background, show support but don't take the spotlight and give us some time.
That's what I did. And when it comes down to it, That is what's at the heart of my responses here.


From the assumption that here to(this thread) there were a bunch of predominately white people discussion what to do about this out of control black revolt.
From the heart I do believe we should back off a bit and "trust" the afro american community can handle their anger and grief and eccecive violent brothers and sisters. And that they will find a way to bring all this back to some sort of equilibrium.

[Constance]

In video's and podcasts to try and find out what I as a whit bloke could do to help

:heart:

The dominant force will always win. If we truly want to help each other, these are my thoughts. We need to strike at the roots of the evil rather than hacking at the branches.

All of this turmoil has been in the planning, production and execution for a very long time.
We need to address the overall situation, the bigger picture, relevant to where we are at now, otherwise, we are only going to be at best, partially effective. We need to get highly creative about how we are going to claim our sovereignty because the dark forces have been super-efficient and effective up until now with their plans.

I have the opportunity to speak to a lot of people in my community (I live in a small village) and 99% don't even know that they don't even know that this is what is going on. Do we even know how many of these people rioting and protesting understand the true nature and the bigger picture of what is going on?

When you said here:


From the assumption that here to(this thread) there were a bunch of predominately white people discussion what to do about this out of control black revolt.

I had a completely different perception and perspective around what was being discussed and what the concerns may be. It is like the Laurel or Yanni video that went viral last year. Some of us hear Laurel, some of us hear Yanni.

The only thing we can ever hope to do to bring clarity to the table is to continue to offer more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. Every person on this planet has a piece.




After some soul searching I have listened to people from the afro american community. In video's and podcasts to try and find out what I as a whit bloke could do to help.
What was said more then once by the people I chose to listen to was to stay in the background, show support but don't take the spotlight and give us some time.
That's what I did. And when it comes down to it, That is what's at the heart of my responses here.


From the assumption that here to(this thread) there were a bunch of predominately white people discussion what to do about this out of control black revolt.
From the heart I do believe we should back off a bit and "trust" the afro american community can handle their anger and grief and eccecive violent brothers and sisters. And that they will find a way to bring all this back to some sort of equilibrium.

[Catsquotl]

The dominant force will always win. If we truly want to help each other, these are my thoughts. We need to strike at the roots of the evil rather than hacking at the branches.

<snip>

I have the opportunity to speak to a lot of people in my community (I live in a small village) and 99% don't even know that they don't even know that this is what is going on. Do we even know how many of these people rioting and protesting understand the true nature and the bigger picture of what is going on?


The only thing we can ever hope to do to bring clarity to the table is to continue to offer more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. Every person on this planet has a piece.


Ok, expanding your analogy a bit. For the branches to effectively overcome the roots I believe the branches must be united first. They must at least agree on the fact/assumption the roots are the problem. This is hurdle one to overcome.
To do that the branches must first stop bickering among themselves. In order to unify the branches old fears, anger and resentments must be expressed, felt and forgiven. I feel that even though George Floyds death may have been abused to further unhealthy branches. BLM, Antifa etc etc Let's not forget that to explode like it did was only possible by the list of black men and women that were killed before him. If that grief and anger is not acknowledged. There is no chance the branches will unite.

I work in health care and one of the most unacknowledged stressors I see at work is saying to those who grief or are angry that they have grieved enough and should move on..
And even though we would not say that exactly, it is a common experience among people who are grieving.

You say you have an opportunity to speak to your community. In the 2 sentences that follow that statement you are saying something about their understanding. And bringing your puzzle pieces to the table.
What makes you think you are right/informed and they are not? Over the years I have found that it is often better to listen than to speak, but mileage may vary.
(I should definitely listen to my own advise more.)

With Love

[Mike]

you say they have a right to be pissed off. do they have a right to destroy small businesses? do they have a right to loot walmarts? do they have a right to extort/blackmail people who do not fully support BLM? do they have the right to emotionally bully? destroy historical landmarks? ban books? ban movies? rewrite history?

and if you really do think they have that right, just how much more chaos do you think they're entitled to until you feel it will have gone too far??? how many more people will have to die or get shot? i'm genuinely curious. i'm asking in good faith, to anyone who supports BLM and thinks this thread has been unfair. at what point, exactly, will you say, ya know, this isn't right, it's gone too far now.

because these things do affect us "white folk". and hispanic folk. and asian folk. and indian folk, and native folk. plus, the whole thing is being used as an excuse to usher in the religion of social justice. are you not disturbed by that?


I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. That said I am not in America, but relatively save from it all on the other side of the atlantic.
When is enough enough? I don't know. For now though I think it is time for people to say enough is enough. I also think that as a priviliged white man I should stay in the background. I feel that this will not blow over if White people are going to start taking over and "help/save" do away with racism.



What I do know is this. For some reason the death of this man as well as a few others in the weeks prior. Have build up to a pressure point that needed an outlet. That outlet was found or created or whatever, it is there. WiIth Mars going into Aries in 2 weeks and staying there for pretty much the rest of the year There is no obvious or easy solution to this. And I fear it wil linger and smolder and burn all that time.


I can only hope that at the end of it we can reconcile and find common ground again.
Does that mean I condone all that is happening? No, but at the same time I am very aware of the grievances on both sides. For the time being though I am choosing to stand in support of an ethnic group that has systematically been at the receiving end of racism and hope, pray, chant and spell that they find a way out of their anger.


Changes don't come easy. For the last few years I have been troubled by the continuing pressure to be politically correct. I have objected against the disappearance of a dutch childrens feast where "black faced" people were helpers for as long as I can remember. (Black facing doesn't have the same connotation or meaning as it has in the states with regards to this feast.) I have felt awkwardly ill at easy with the incessant cry from the BLGT+ community to watch my language and use of pronouns and what have you's, but you know what I find? That most of that struggle to conform to that is in my head. There is absolutely no reason to worry about what to call someone because in most instances when you make a friend it is natural to use a pronoun they feel comfortable with. And when you slip up once most will tell you what they prefer. No harm no foul.


Back to black.

In my home town next sunday there will be a demonstration. A march in support of #blacklivesmatter. My 14 year old daughter wants to go.
So the missus is worried for counter demonstrations. So I will go with my daughter to keep an ye on things. So I read up on the date and venue etc etc. I am appalled at the amount of openly and unnuanced racist hatred people are spewing against this march. So there's that.



I agree that all live matters, But I will support black live matters at the moment because they (afro american community)are grieving and angry now.
For how long? I don't know.


Did you by the way see the video where a white woman set fire to wendies?



With Love



i didn't see the video but i'm not surprised at all. there are a lot of crazy whites acting out in the name of BLM too.

look, my problem is not with black people, as a group. my problem is with BLM and it's supporters.. and with the postmodern, social justice ideology they are opportunistically ushering in as a result of garnering power disingenuously. the fascist ideology that is driving their actions and utterances is the same ideology that was being warned about in orwell's 1984, and it's the same ideology that was responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in Stalinist Russia and Mao's China.

we have historical precedents for this type of behavior.

the problem with things like pronouns is, in Canada anyway, their compelled speech laws require you to address another by their preferred pronoun. otherwise it's "hate speech" and punishable by fines and prison. it's become quite tyrannical. the ramifications for this would require an entirely different thread.

look, i admire what you're doing for your daughter. you really seem like a good-hearted man to me. i can see that you believe in what you're saying and doing and feel strongly about it. so, enjoy the protest and please stay safe.

[Catsquotl]

look, my problem is not with black people, as a group. my problem is with BLM and it's supporters..

Then why call Menstruators And People Of Whiteness to take action.
I think/assume/hope that if you look and listen many an afro-american will agree with you. However saying that they are going about it the wrong way before listening to them will only drive them further in a believe system the are programmed to adopt from the get go.

[Mike]

look, my problem is not with black people, as a group. my problem is with BLM and it's supporters..

Then why call Menstruators And People Of Whiteness to take action.
I think/assume/hope that if you look and listen many an afro-american will agree with you. However saying that they are going about it the wrong way before listening to them will only drive them further in a believe system the are programmed to adopt from the get go.


my friend, the thread title was meant to be a bit ironic:). it's a play on words, based on an email i received. i explained all that in my original post.

perhaps the humor didn't travel very well.

i have listened to the grievances of black people. and i'd be willing to have a reasonable conversation about those grievances, but the political climate in the U.S. doesn't allow for that. people who are disagreeing, even mildly, with anything BLM says, are losing their jobs. i'm not making that up. it's become a fascist movement. that's my main issue with it.

[gini]

In this discussion about the violent protests ,the argument for the right to expres ones probably justified anger & frustration violently,is now often used to silence anyone who disagrees and rejects violence as a correct way to acclompish justice.

But many violent crimes are becoming understandable and even forgiveable when the traumas and injustices in the life of the criminal are known.
One can only feel sorry for the negative spiral people got stocked in when one dreadful situation gives birth to the next one accumulating in the violent crimes of the desperate...Understanding and forgiving doesnt mean agreeing or endorsing let alone encouraging violence!

Its really confusing and unfair to use the colour of ones skin as a measure to be allowed to speak up against violence !

How dark then has the skin to be and how much must one suffer to be allowed to speak up ?!

[Catsquotl]

my friend, the thread title was meant to be a bit ironic:). it's a play on words, based on an email i received. i explained all that in my original post.



Woops, seems I 've been going off in the wrong thread all together.
Sorry about that..

Well that's human nature for you assuming the topic and butting in when it was something else entirely.
I guess I am slowly and somewhat shamefully leaving this discussion for what it was...

:o
:focus:

[Mike]

my friend, the thread title was meant to be a bit ironic:). it's a play on words, based on an email i received. i explained all that in my original post.



Woops, seems I 've been going off in the wrong thread all together.
Sorry about that..

Well that's human nature for you assuming the topic and butting in when it was something else entirely.
I guess I am slowly and somewhat shamefully leaving this discussion for what it was...

:o
:focus:


no, it's cool! you were completely on topic all the way thru.:handshake:

the small misunderstanding over the thread title doesn't change that.

[carnavas]

the problem i have with BLM is that you can't have an opposing viewpoint. at least here in the states anyway. if you do, you get fired. lose your job. there are many examples of this. you lose your reputation. your life can be destroyed by merely offering up logical concerns. this doesn't trouble you??

you say they have a right to be pissed off. do they have a right to destroy small businesses? do they have a right to loot walmarts? do they have a right to extort/blackmail people who do not fully support BLM? do they have the right to emotionally bully? destroy historical landmarks? ban books? ban movies? rewrite history?

and if you really do think they have that right, just how much more chaos do you think they're entitled to until you feel it will have gone too far??? how many more people will have to die or get shot? i'm genuinely curious. i'm asking in good faith, to anyone who supports BLM and thinks this thread has been unfair. at what point, exactly, will you say: ya know, this isn't right, it's gone too far now. i'm out..

Exactly! This is what we are talking about, this is post modernism. You can be angry, you can protest or demand all you want, you can change your sex, you can be free but you can’t in no way be a paradox. Doing different than what you say is lying and robbery. A paradox won’t solve anything but eat itself out. You can’t condemn racism while you’re doing a racist act of burning the country down, people aside what about all the trees and other beings living there? Don’t they have a right? You can’t claim to be a women while retaining your male biology. You can’t claim to be a social justice worker while having no justice. You can’t be protesting and condemning oppression while oppressing others. You can’t claim to be the minority while composing the majority and being found every where. You can’t be an animal or environment or women or children rights activist while you use them like a tool for your ends. This list goes on forever!

Even this new word privilege is a paradox in itself. When you consider a group having a certain privilege, you’re giving the opposite group a privilege of not having that privilege. For example a minority group will gain the social privilege of being the minority. If you oppose that group for having that certain privilege then why are you doing the same? Giving a group a certain privilege? And if you don’t oppose then whats your quarrel about in the first place? Such a logic won’t work. This is post modernity. This is like burning a car while holding a peace sign.

[Constance]

The dominant force will always win. If we truly want to help each other, these are my thoughts. We need to strike at the roots of the evil rather than hacking at the branches.

<snip>

I have the opportunity to speak to a lot of people in my community (I live in a small village) and 99% don't even know that they don't even know that this is what is going on. Do we even know how many of these people rioting and protesting understand the true nature and the bigger picture of what is going on?


The only thing we can ever hope to do to bring clarity to the table is to continue to offer more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. Every person on this planet has a piece.


Ok, expanding your analogy a bit. For the branches to effectively overcome the roots I believe the branches must be united first. They must at least agree on the fact/assumption the roots are the problem. This is hurdle one to overcome.
To do that the branches must first stop bickering among themselves. In order to unify the branches old fears, anger and resentments must be expressed, felt and forgiven. I feel that even though George Floyds death may have been abused to further unhealthy branches. BLM, Antifa etc etc Let's not forget that to explode like it did was only possible by the list of black men and women that were killed before him. If that grief and anger is not acknowledged. There is no chance the branches will unite.

I work in health care and one of the most unacknowledged stressors I see at work is saying to those who grief or are angry that they have grieved enough and should move on..
And even though we would not say that exactly, it is a common experience among people who are grieving.

You say you have an opportunity to speak to your community. In the 2 sentences that follow that statement you are saying something about their understanding. And bringing your puzzle pieces to the table.
What makes you think you are right/informed and they are not? Over the years I have found that it is often better to listen than to speak, but mileage may vary.
(I should definitely listen to my own advise more.)

With Love


I can see that you are earnestly trying to get to the heart of the matter here and I thank you for that. :flower: And, maybe I need to flesh things out a little more for context?

Two things.
When I said we need to strike at the roots of the evil rather than hacking at the branches. What I was doing was shorthand referencing the quote by David Henry Thoreau "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

I guess that is on me. I should have referenced this in all its fullness so that you could understand what was following was in reference to the dark forces and how they have had a hand in creating the turmoil. This is the evil that needs to be struck at.

I agree that people need to be aware that there is a problem to begin with but people need to be able to take a step back and stop for long enough to consider that it is these dark forces and false realities that are behind all of this, and that can only come with education.

However upon saying all of that, people need to be open enough that they can hear that this is the root cause, and this is where it comes back to the whole Laurel and Yanni thing. Either people will be able to perceive that there is a bigger picture that involves the dark forces, or they won't.

People do need to come together and unite to send those dark forces back to where they came from, but it can't be under the umbrella of Black Lives Matter because what is behind this organisation, and what is driving this whole thing is satanic in its very nature. And..Mike alludes to this in his new thread, Passive Aggressive Satanism. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111238-Passive-Aggressive-Satanism)

In relation to all the emotions that are being generated within and around the Black Lives Matter Movement, it is all very well for us to acknowledge that people are suffering but what people need to take into account here, is that the entirety of humanity is in the same situation.
We might all be suffering for all different kinds of reasons but nevertheless, people are still suffering. The list is very long of what we are up against. I've written about this elsewhere but I'll list it again here.



The corruption of spirituality via new age philosophy


Religion: dogma, persecution


Language: inverted, perverted, being P.C, hijacked


Environmental disasters and animal kingdom exploitation: oil spills, devastation of wildlife, fracking, electronic waste, plastic oceans, insect plagues and animal extinction, animal circuses, animal breeding, vivisection


Natural and manmade disasters - droughts, bushfire, mudslides, landslides, flooding, earthquakes, tornadoes, cyclones, destruction of homes, destruction of crops, destruction of wildlife, geoengineering, nuclear spills and testing, the denuding and altering of landscapes, poisoning of the air with toxic fumes from industry, the motor mobile, shipping and aviation industry


The destruction of nature and the land and the effect it has upon our psyche; via fracking, deforestation, growing mono-crops, mining, toxic waste from radiation, toxic wastelands and desserts


The splitting of the family unit - divorce and single parenting, destruction of the family unit, sex changes, sterility, education system


Societal pressures: Gaslighting, peer pressure, loneliness, group think, cults. keeping up with the Joneses, cyberbullying, cyberstalking, trolls, disinformation agents, child marriage


ABC agency interference and disinformation agents: mind control, The womens liberation movement orchestrated by the CIA, the hippy movement orchestrated by the CIA, the music industry orchestrated by the CIA


Chemical and biological warfare: mind control: nano-technology used for behavioural modification, pyschotronic warfare


Immigration - borders, detention


Money: consumerism, excessive wealth, lack of basic wealth distribution, corruption


The entertainment industry; Television, movies, radio, internet, Fake news media, propaganda


Extraterrestrial abuctions and mind control


The illuminati - the ruling elite and all the bloodlines, satanic paedophiles, black satanic rituals and cults, Royalty


Health and wellbeing: Poor diets, processed artificial foods, chemicals; glyphosate, MSG, GMO foods, caffeine, microwaved food, irradiated food, the eating of animals and their byproducts, artificial fertilisers, hydroponics, monocrops, fluoridisation of our waters. Disease - man made and genetic, epigenetically induced trauma, inherited genetic weaknesses, vaccines, Mental illness, denuded soils


Hospital trauma; hospital infections, hospital birth traumas, unnecessary caesarians, forcep deliveries, induced labour, circumcision, hospital deaths through error, organ harvesting/transplants, hospital deaths through infection, blood donoring, birth injury, cutting of the umbilical cord, hospital lighting, post and prenatal depression from hospital stays


Structural issues within the body due to head injury and body injury, congenital birth defects


Pharmaceutical industry: vaccines, prescription drugs, addiction, death through poisoning and overdosage, fraud, manipulation of scientific data


Living and working in artificial environments; Mould and funghi, square housing, toxic outgassing from artificial building materials, chemical cleaners, artificial lighting, shoe wearing inside the house, toxic artificial clothing, artificial heating, lead poisoning from industry waste disposal, toys, paint, fumes from vehicles


Disconnection from nature: lack of sunshine, artificial lighting, artificial buildings


Isolation; lack of true community, lack of support from family and community members, loneliness, depression, scientism


Poverty: wage slave pay, poor working conditions, adult slavery, child slavery, monetary inequality, people working just to pay to put a roof over their heads, both parents working to put children through education, working long hours just to make ends meet, sweatshops, unsanitary conditions, overcrowding


Institutionalised living and working conditions: the education system, work ethics and conditions, lack of leisure and creative time, governmental institutions: prisons, psyche wards


Education system: indoctrination, slave labour, conditioning and programming, separation from family unit


Charities: funds being diverted or withheld or used for nepharious purposes


Domestic and street violence: sexual, physical and verbal abuse, murders, kidnapping, robbery, scamming, violent deaths of family members, peodophiles, rapists, narcissists, sex slaves, child and people trafficking, missing people, pornography, drug lords and drug mules/runners, cannibalism


Altered histories: The winners rewrite history, genocide of traditional, ancient and ethnic tribes and cultures


Warfare - unsafe living conditions, oppression by war victors - take over of countries, unsanitary conditions, Biological warfare


Genetic manipulation - chimeras, crops


Science: Manipulation of data, fraud, dogma, mechanical vs wholism, scientism, specialists


PTSD, depression, suicide, body dysmorphia


Addictions - drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, cell phone, social media, eating, religious, TV


Psychopathic behaviours inflicted upon individuals and humanity, Sociopathic behaviours inflicted upon individuals and humanity, Psychic vampirism


LGBT and sexuality issues, transgender issues


Exposure to electromagnetic radiation: ultrasounds, mammograms, microwaves, WIFI pollution, cell/mobile phones and their towers, HAARP frequencies, electronic and synthetic telepathy, mass hypnosis, electronic telepathy


The taking of another life - old growth forests, lakes, streams, animals, human beings, extraterrestrials.


Loss of internal spiritual connection with source, atheism


Corporations - cartels


Governance: excessive and oppressive government and societal rules and regulations, deep state, courts of law, maritime law, border patrol, state and country governance, taxes, - inconsistencies, intolerance, monarchy, police brutality, police states, state-owned land, privatised water, marriages, dictatorships, strawman, government and military abuctions and control, human chipping, propaganda, secret medical experiments on adults, children and animals



To have inner peace despite what is going on in this world is a path that only the individual can take.

The second thing...it might seem trivial but I want to try to get this right because when I say that I have the opportunity to speak to a lot of people in my community, it just meant that I am connecting with the people within my community.

I find myself in the position where I am mostly actively listening to what is said, rather than offering my opinions. It's not that I'm right/informed and they are not, it has nothing to do with that, it has to more to do with being aware of what has been said to me. I know instantly where someone is at just by how they speak and what they speak about.

[Agape]

Every ancient group of people here on this Planet received the “10 commandments”, the Quran, the Precepts of Vedas and Buddhist ethics are nearly the same.

Don’t take lives Ahimsa Paramo Dharmo Thou shall not kill

If you don’t take animal and human lives you live in Paradise,
once you permit killing you change the Paradise to Hell on Earth.

The Hel, the centre is right under the Tree of Life.

Once you cut even that Tree down there is no way to survive here.


The tongues of people in the era of deception are like tongues of snake. The meaning of everything becomes convoluted and twisted and void of true sense.
Speaking own mind becomes nearly impossible.

Big impersonal companies and agencies are buying people’s souls.

Freedom itself turns impossible, non existent, illegal.


Don’t steal. It also means, don’t take loans. If people withdraw their money from their banks the grip of the system would start taking steps towards the people.
The system knows it of course and tries to keep people in by treats and threats.

As long as you are feeding the system it’s there to bind you by promises and obligations.

If the system works against people instead for people, the result will be state of civil war.

Refrain from promiscuity and bad cinema and your minds won’t suffer. By watching evil, acts of violence and desecrating dignity, sexuality, privacy ..everyone loses their peace of mind, eventually some in childhood.

It’s another level : the Mind level.


Trying to cheat or kill their own mind people engage in deception. Their sane and sacred pure selves are burnt down replaced by a demon.

Any deception you create on mind-energy level, act of violence, lost controls are very subtle but powerful act against the harmony of the space we inhabit.

It’s said that external destiny can be only purified from within and cleaning one’s own Mind and Principles.


Think kindly of others, talk kindly, don’t speak untruth. Think positively and being of benefit just by being itself.

Don’t speed the system, slow the system and improve thinking habits, the simple quality of your life and resonance of the two.
Think life is simple before you wanted it complicated.

Return to simplicity and Marie Condo:) Some problems will fall off by its own weight.


The only way to surpass this current hefty level is to transcend it, really.


Realise that nearly of all your “desires” are illusory and relevant for the briefest frame of your life times.

Never forget that you are here for purpose and that you deserve to understand about the Greater Life on this Planet , this Universe.


By breaking all of the well meant precepts about sentient Life and interstellar ethics people seem to forget their identity as civilised entities, partially degrading to animalistic experience of life.



May we truly see yet the return of righteousness or is there always going to be a battle between eternal good and evil, the Light and the Darkness ?


Are some religious prophecies more knowledgable on the topic than scientific prognostic knowing that we are bound to fall by “human error” even after we have removed countless banana peels.


Are we (not) the creators and the destroyers of (our) humanity?



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[Mike]

I should have included this in my original post. It's so important. About 10 mins long. Says everything I've been trying to say only 100x better and clearer:
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[Bill Ryan]

I think this may belong on this thread: Tommy Sotomayor, a black radio host in Atlanta with a big following, interviewed by Stefan Molyneux.

Tommy, who's pretty bright and aware, points out a lot of things that were they said by any white person, they'd immediately risk being tarred and feathered as "racist".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lRyQ7RGiw8

[Catsquotl]

12:19 minutes in he also says something more profound.. I'll leave it at that

[Catsquotl]

People do need to come together and unite to send those dark forces back to where they came from, but it can't be under the umbrella of Black Lives Matter because what is behind this organisation, and what is driving this whole thing is satanic in its very nature. And..Mike alludes to this in his new thread, Passive Aggressive Satanism. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111238-Passive-Aggressive-Satanism)

In relation to all the emotions that are being generated within and around the Black Lives Matter Movement, it is all very well for us to acknowledge that people are suffering but what people need to take into account here, is that the entirety of humanity is in the same situation.
We might all be suffering for all different kinds of reasons but nevertheless, people are still suffering.


Well ok.
When my wife asks "Do you find me beautiful" It seems rather hurtful if I say that everybody is beautiful.
If someone grieving the loss of a loved one it seems rather hurtful to say Everybody dies.
So why when a black woman or man is shot and someone says Black Lives Matter Do I suddenly have to hurt them by saying All lives matter.


Whether a race war is being promoted by whatever force in this instance does not matter.
People in the black community are hurting. People in the BLGQT community are hurting. And I don't care when talking to them if they are goaded into a "false" belief system. I will listen to their pain. acknowledge it. Do whatever I can to help them heal and when all is said and done I thing WE are in a better position to take that step back and identify what the **** happened.


With Love

[Bill Ryan]

12:19 minutes in he also says something more profound.. I'll leave it at thatAt 12:19, Tommy says:

Not every black person lives the same existence, not every white person lives the same existence. Someone called my show, and said: "White people are rich." I said, "Did you know there are more poor whites in the United States than poor blacks?"

But black people THINK whites are rich. There's a lot of misconceptions of people who never meet each other. So now you've got white people afraid to speak.

[Catsquotl]

12:19 minutes in he also says something more profound.. I'll leave it at thatAt 12:19, Tommy says:

Not every black person lives the same existence, not every white person lives the same existence. Someone called my show, and said: "White people are rich." I said, "Did you know there are more poor whites in the United States than poor blacks?"

But black people THINK whites are rich. There's a lot of misconceptions of people who never meet each other. So now you've got white people afraid to speak.



Not the quote I meant. He says :You don't know what I am going through, I don't know what you are going through so lets talk to each other like humans and listen to each other like humans..

[Delight]

Whether a race war is being promoted by whatever force in this instance does not matter.
People in the black community are hurting. People in the BLGQT community are hurting. And I don't care when talking to them if they are goaded into a "false" belief system. I will listen to their pain. acknowledge it. Do whatever I can to help them heal and when all is said and done I thing WE are in a better position to take that step back and identify what the **** happened.
With Love

I have read a little history and thought quite a bit about the past NUMEROUS genocides of people against their neighbors. You probably know that most people who end up dying in waves of murderous scapegoating would never have expected it could happen. Many people who participated look back later and cannot quite understand how they became involved. they were "beside themselves" at the time in rage.

I don't want to think we are being set up to have the next genocide in the US. However, the dynamics that turned former serfs against their own "people" in the USSR is being whipped up. People who have grievances are being inflamed. Who will be the perpetrators?

My question is knowing what we know about how the feeling of being a victim can flip to becoming persecutors, how can this present scenario where it is almost no longer safe to have discussions "not matter"?

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[Mike]

another refreshing viewpoint from a black man who does not approve of BLM and it's current manifestations:

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[TargeT]

my friend, the thread title was meant to be a bit ironic:). it's a play on words, based on an email i received. i explained all that in my original post.



Woops, seems I 've been going off in the wrong thread all together.
Sorry about that..

Well that's human nature for you assuming the topic and butting in when it was something else entirely.
I guess I am slowly and somewhat shamefully leaving this discussion for what it was...

:o
:focus:


no, it's cool! you were completely on topic all the way thru.:handshake:

the small misunderstanding over the thread title doesn't change that.

Bravo you two, this is how these things should happen more often on this forum

(as I go totally off topic.....)

[Savannah]

[QUOTE=Savannah;1360982]I never thought a tool of the controllers like Rowling would be one of those to speak out. Go girl go!



There is something about her, which is not a tool, but may convey that appearance.










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4upHPYKtqE


At 28.30 he notes that she has the Latin saying of Baphomet tattooed on her arm- SOLVE (dissolve) and COAGULA (clot/precipitate). There is no doubt what team she plays on.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

I'm bumping this thread, having been paying fairly close attention to how things are continuing to unfold in America. (Or maybe "unravel" is a better word.) There are now several partially overlapping threads discussing these issues, and all of them may be important.

I should say a couple of things, if I may.


I'm as sure as I can be there are no racists, supremacists, or even people of any kind of ill-will on Avalon.
But some readers of these threads, who are American, may really not be fully aware of what's happening in their own country.

I'm in a tricky situation, as I know that my own posts, whatever they may be (or even my "thanks" of others), carry a kind of weight in some people's eyes.

There's not a lot I can do about that! But I do try to moderate and balance myself accordingly. For instance, I promised my friend Ken (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4134-Ken), a totally wonderful and giant-hearted man, who started The Dangers of “Living While Black” in the USA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111252-The-Dangers-of---Living-While-Black---in-the-USA), that I'd not encroach on his thread. And my posts on most of the others have been reasonably limited.

This is all difficult to navigate, for several reasons:


Feelings about all these issues can run high (and do note: exactly that may be being engineered, as well).



More importantly, members post and share opinions, observations and experiences from all over the world, and have accordingly varied perspectives. It's becoming gradually clear to me that those who have traveled widely, or have spent time in areas of the world like Africa, India or Asia, may have very different views and experiences about "race" and "color" than those who've spent the majority of their lives in the US.



But the very response around the world to some of these events suggests this is NOT "just" a local issue. And if the US goes down, which is where I'd suggest it seems to be headed pretty fast, that will influence a heck a lot of others of us out there.

And I'll say this again, without apology for the words. This is that important to be said. But I do not intend to offend anyone. (I rarely do.) And I will not get into any fights with good people here who may disagree, many of whom I consider to be personal friends.

Many of these events and sentiments are being weaponized, and the genuine and sincere concern of good people is being used.

That may mean you, reading this now.

There's a revolution taking place here, but it's not a healthy one for anyone reading this, no matter who you are, where you are, or whatever your skin color.

It's a bloody, destructive revolution, and its leading activists and founders don't have the kind of values and motives anyone here would respect — if they truly understood what they were. Properly understanding what's happening may be the most important thing we can all work to do together.

[Catsquotl]

How is this different than every other ruse we see to control the population and at what point should we stop voicing that which we encounter?
My favorite quote these days is that the George Floyd death video was a match on a huge and possibly well constructed pile of kindling.

How to respond to that? Ignore that systemic racism is a thing and keep quiet?
Fear the repercussions of an angry falsly led mob will begin running the show? How does that differ from the thugs running things now?
One way or another it seems we are being led and goaded as we were and probably will for a while.

Heck we could just say that the gods wanted this and look at the astrology of this year. It's all written in the starts and they say this ****show is only just starting..

With Love
Eelco

[HaveBlue]

'Those who menstruate' indicates to me that post menopausal women, women who exercise so much they stop having periods and prepubescent girls are excluded from whatever it is being addressed.

Since I doubt this was the intention of the author I have to call this term a big fail. What kind of a stir would the term 'bona fide' females cause?

[Mike]

How is this different than every other ruse we see to control the population and at what point should we stop voicing that which we encounter?
My favorite quote these days is that the George Floyd death video was a match on a huge and possibly well constructed pile of kindling.

How to respond to that? Ignore that systemic racism is a thing and keep quiet?
Fear the repercussions of an angry falsly led mob will begin running the show? How does that differ from the thugs running things now?
One way or another it seems we are being led and goaded as we were and probably will for a while.

Heck we could just say that the gods wanted this and look at the astrology of this year. It's all written in the starts and they say this ****show is only just starting..

With Love
Eelco



No one is saying a tragedy hasn't taken place. No one is saying racism isn't a problem, or that they shouldn't continue sharing their opinions.

What we're saying is that the ideology being ushered in as a result of recent events has the potential to be far worse than racism and police brutality put together

[shaberon]

At 28.30 he notes that she has the Latin saying of Baphomet tattooed on her arm- SOLVE (dissolve) and COAGULA (clot/precipitate). There is no doubt what team she plays on.


Correct, it is one not washed by church propaganda, has nothing to do with the church.

It is something that Catholics and presidents would prefer silenced.

It is not something about using NGOs, etc., to spawn violent pseudo-revolutions.

It perhaps is closer to the non-polarized points in the Hard Polarization (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111272-What-s-your-best-guess-what-this-hard-polarisation-in-the-world-is-really-about-.-.-.-.) thread.

It is an alchemical language that gets complicated, but, the basic meaning of the figure is:

One arm points down and says Dissolve (terrestrial nature, ego, dross or the impure grosser aspects of existence)

One arm points up and says Join (rational or spiritual nature, non-ego, purification)


If the church is worried, the conservatives or republicans are worried, and the lady in question is taking flak for rebutting a democratic distortion of science, she is not a friend of any of the Western mind control schemes.

If we ask, do pagans know something about prejudice and oppression, the answer is yes.

This is much bigger and older than ideas of racism, which had to be invented.

[Catsquotl]

How is this different than every other ruse we see to control the population and at what point should we stop voicing that which we encounter?
My favorite quote these days is that the George Floyd death video was a match on a huge and possibly well constructed pile of kindling.

How to respond to that? Ignore that systemic racism is a thing and keep quiet?
Fear the repercussions of an angry falsly led mob will begin running the show? How does that differ from the thugs running things now?
One way or another it seems we are being led and goaded as we were and probably will for a while.

Heck we could just say that the gods wanted this and look at the astrology of this year. It's all written in the starts and they say this ****show is only just starting..

With Love
Eelco



No one is saying a tragedy hasn't taken place. No one is saying racism isn't a problem, or that they shouldn't continue sharing their opinions.

What we're saying is that the ideology being ushered in as a result of recent events is far worse than racism and police brutality put together[COLOR="red"]



I'm not saying anyone has said that a tragety did not take place, I am asking how to respond now that there seems to be a momentum (possibly forced) to make a case against systemic rasism.
It appears to me that even though numerous tragedies have taken place. What is being messaged is that Now is not the time to act because there's an evil force at the root of the timing to further their agenda..

Please correct me if I am wrong about that.
So my question then would be. Ok so then when.
There will always be an idea or movement at the root of any group that wants to establish a change..

And don't get me wrong I am a pascifist so violence is never an option when it comes to promoting ideas..
How should we respond to these events. Cry ourselves to sleep because of the state of the world? Been there done it and that is not a good place to be.
Speak up against rascism,show support, but keep away from militant action.. (this is for now the best I can come up with)
Or warn everybody to distract themselves form the tragedy by warning against the underlying (possibly dangerous) powers that are or want to be? WHich I can support by the way although the timing of that feels wrong.

With Love

[Phoenix1304]

Something to think about:

This is a statue of Matthias Baldwin, in Philadelphia. It was defaced by protestors, as if they were intent on erasing and trashing all history. And apparently without knowing a thing about history, either.

https://i2.wp.com/nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/baldwin-statue.jpg

Matthias Baldwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_W._Baldwin) was an honored abolitionist, a very fine man indeed. Here's the headline of this article: (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/park-volunteer-outraged-over-vandalism-of-monument-to-philadelphia-abolitionist-he-was-blm-before-there-was-a-slogan/)

Vandalism of Philadelphia Abolitionist Statue:
"He was BLM before there was a slogan"

Baldwin funded schools for black children out of his own pocket, as early as 1835. Yet protesters targeted his memory, too, just like [some of them] smash windows, burn buildings, and loot Target and Walmart.

Why? What's gone wrong here?

I understand that it only takes a few people in a crowd of 10,000 to deface a statue. Yet the violent urge to indiscriminately destroy almost anything at all seems increasingly endemic.

Anyone reading this who lives in America — if you're not concerned at where this is all headed at accelerating speed, it's possible that maybe you should be.

It’s happening in UK too Bill, barbaric, like burning books. History should not be erased but faced in any case.

I felt some shame and sadness at the treatment of Gadaffi some years ago, all allegiances aside. Hussein too, both had their statues pulled to the ground by jeering crowds to the resounding applause of the West.

Travelling through Corinthos in Greece many years ago, I was similarly saddened at all the ancient statues (works of art) that had their noses smashed off, by the ‘Persians’ apparently.

In a few hundred years they’ll be little more than curiosities. So what to do when a statue of your enemy stands? Create a museum of tyrants and despots and put them in there, to be withdrawn if future opinion finds them innocent?

Wouldn’t it be marvellous if we could all just stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated into hating anything or anyone?

[TomKat]

Wouldn’t it be marvellous if we could all just stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated into hating anything or anyone?

That can't happen until people know the Plan and that the Planners are controlling both sides that are being set against each other. The Plan is for a totalitarian world government with everybody bio-chipped and controlled by satellite, as explained in Aaron Russo's video:
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[Delight]

Please excuse if this is off topic.

My mundane mind is full of judgements and many are crafted by what I read and hear on videos. I admire thinking people who articulate interesting POVs. One must learn something to navigate the "world" is my conclusion form the years of hours looking and listening.

My judgements are my prison. If I MIGHT let go of all judement, I MIGHT be catapulted into the stratospheric heights of the astral plane. BUT I sit in the depths of my judgemnet. In the astral plane.

Dears....

THIS is the 4th dimension we have waked up in. That is the single most important recognition. Thoughts become things with such rapidity that it seems as if everyone is saying something opposite... all extremes!

The shattering is the consensus of a 3 dimensional POV and we are IN the welter of the thought responsive Immersion in Spirit.

IMO, we are in the most amazing opportunity to live out what was once just speculation in "the Secret" ( a trivialized version of "New Thought"). I am very aware that the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave is a vision. There are VISIONS in us that call forth IMO the intention of Infinte Intelligence.

I listen to people and sometimes I am amazed at what is triggered in my mind. I feel I and We are being instructed in how to live in this new world. This book is IMO as good as ANY book right now to wake up the inner Self.

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It is the most beautiful "path"... to wake up in the 4th dimension and learn to live out of Joy. Here we will know ourselves and the innermost contents of our heart in "real time" (speeding ever faster).

In the 70's I think many of us assumed that what we saw as progress would unfold. Every bit of what is happening now shows a massive overload of thoughtforms in a mess. That means to me that we are being forced to turn within and THIS is very individual. It is becoming responsible and experience of the satisfaction of being the expression of god. No counterfeit or copy.....

In the 15th chapter, I heard that giving up the little will (made of judgement) is awaking to the ALL WILL which is the Life force the agency of creation. We in the little will seek to make "others" do our will. The All Will does not back us. The seeking to express oneslf is fully backed. We cannot try to make others do our will and be in the All Will omnipotnce flow. The All Will allows every "one" to exert its free will. BUT when trying to force others, it will not work. This is profound because it throws us deeply to the task of :knowing oneself" and let others be... no harm will come form "others", just our own mistaken power over choices.

That is why to forgive and to repent and to honor others in the Golden Rule will be the opening key to living here...awake in in the 4th dimension of our astral reality.

[shaberon]

That is why to forgive and to repent and to honor others in the Golden Rule will be the opening key to living here...awake in in the 4th dimension of our astral reality.

I would not agree the astral plane is particularly real. Its phenomena arise and decay.

A "dimension" is a measurement, usually explained as the right angles of length, width, and breadth, but if I can plot all that with a single calculus equation, then perhaps there is only one dimension that we generally experience.

What I would say is more real is actually zero dimension.

Yes, the basic principle of a "little will" forcing itself on others is an impotent lie over the Will of Life. So then if I say, there is One Life which exists in every "point" of space, it has infinite extension or is omnipresent, so there is no distance between Itself, in other words there is no dimension.

What we usually do mentally is to reduce and separate it, so there appears to be distance or dimension.

Aryan philosophy is that there is One Place, and One Time, without divisions, and so if we are able to start dissolving division mentally, then we begin to enter divinity. Without this, man is more or less just another animal.

If you are able to make progress, you will not be deceived or manipulated, and since these disturbances move across the astral plane, the whole thing will be found weak and illusory. The whole Egregor of all this psychological tyranny is actually very, very weak--but not if you give it your energy.

[carnavas]

I don’t know where to put this but it’s insane, why is my persian friend who is nor black nor american and only someone who immigrated at 18 sharing this? Why is being positive toxic? What motivates these people is it jealousy? Is it ego? I just can’t ever understand, America should have never opened it’s borders...this is coming from someone with a green card herself

[shaberon]

why is my persian friend who is nor black nor american and only someone who immigrated at 18 sharing this?

Probably due to age and cultural immersion?

Send them some of our links as a warning?

What is "make it in life"? Laboring for some harmful corporation??

I am not sure that eighteen years old is enough to get some of our points. It appears, historically, that most of the frantic reactions are among under-thirty. If I did not put it in this thread, after studying Sunrise Movement and so forth, I see that this is the reincarnation of the Maurice Strong-type movements, which I was into at that age. It took about ten years for me to see through it. So I feel like an ex-insider or something. That is why I decry it so vividly. At this point I have about twenty years of "release" behind me, and a lot of points about why I changed, and most of it is very similar to anyone else who sees through it.

Reverse it and gain the upper hand.

Just ask them to browse on here anonymously for a while. We have a lot of posts that are much better than non-sentences, arbitrary quotes, and meaninglessness like on that card. That thing is written at a barely-literate level that can only make you dumber.

[carnavas]

Well she’s been in america for 8 years and is now 26, I wish I could introduce her to avalon but she keeps on sharing about how conspiracy theorist and believers are paranoid and crazy and with all the openness and information presented here she will just tar everything with the same brush, all I can do for now is present and explain the deep metaphorical critics of Nietzsche, he is one of the greatest minds who could for-see what we are dealing with and someone who you cannot easily debunk, sometimes a slap in the face will wake people up. the english translations are not very good but here’s an example:

29. The Tarantulas
Lo, this is the tarantula's den! Would'st thou see the tarantula itself? Here hangeth its web: touch this, so that it may tremble.
There cometh the tarantula willingly: Welcome, tarantula! Black on thy back is thy triangle and symbol; and I know also what is in thy soul.
Revenge is in thy soul: wherever thou bitest, there ariseth black scab; with revenge, thy poison maketh the soul giddy!
Thus do I speak unto you in parable, ye who make the soul giddy, ye preachers of equality! Tarantulas are ye unto me, and secretly revengeful ones!
But I will soon bring your hiding-places to the light: therefore do I laugh in your face my laughter of the height.
Therefore do I tear at your web, that your rage may lure you out of your den of lies, and that your revenge may leap forth from behind your word "justice."
Because, for man to be redeemed from revenge—that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.
Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. "Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance"—thus do they talk to one another.
"Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us"—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.
"And 'Will to Equality'—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!"
Ye preachers of equality, the tyrant-frenzy of impotence crieth thus in you for "equality": your most secret tyrant-longings disguise themselves thus in virtue-words!
Fretted conceit and suppressed envy—perhaps your fathers' conceit and envy: in you break they forth as flame and frenzy of vengeance.
What the father hath hid cometh out in the son; and oft have I found in the son the father's revealed secret.
Inspired ones they resemble: but it is not the heart that inspireth them—but vengeance. And when they become subtle and cold, it is not spirit, but envy, that maketh them so.
Their jealousy leadeth them also into thinkers' paths; and this is the sign of their jealousy—they always go too far: so that their fatigue hath at last to go to sleep on the snow.
In all their lamentations soundeth vengeance, in all their eulogies is maleficence; and being judge seemeth to them bliss.
But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!
They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.
Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.
And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but—power!
My friends, I will not be mixed up and confounded with others.
There are those who preach my doctrine of life, and are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.
That they speak in favour of life, though they sit in their den, these poison-spiders, and withdrawn from life—is because they would thereby do injury.
To those would they thereby do injury who have power at present: for with those the preaching of death is still most at home.
Were it otherwise, then would the tarantulas teach otherwise: and they themselves were formerly the best world-maligners and heretic-burners.
With these preachers of equality will I not be mixed up and confounded. For thus speaketh justice unto me: "Men are not equal."
And neither shall they become so! What would be my love to the Superman, if I spake otherwise?
On a thousand bridges and piers shall they throng to the future, and always shall there be more war and inequality among them: thus doth my great love make me speak!
Inventors of figures and phantoms shall they be in their hostilities; and with those figures and phantoms shall they yet fight with each other the supreme fight!
Good and evil, and rich and poor, and high and low, and all names of values: weapons shall they be, and sounding signs, that life must again and again surpass itself!
Aloft will it build itself with columns and stairs—life itself into remote distances would it gaze, and out towards blissful beauties- therefore doth it require elevation!
And because it requireth elevation, therefore doth it require steps, and variance of steps and climbers! To rise striveth life, and in rising to surpass itself.
And just behold, my friends! Here where the tarantula's den is, riseth aloft an ancient temple's ruins—just behold it with enlightened eyes!
Verily, he who here towered aloft his thoughts in stone, knew as well as the wisest ones about the secret of life!
That there is struggle and inequality even in beauty, and war for power and supremacy: that doth he here teach us in the plainest parable.
How divinely do vault and arch here contrast in the struggle: how with light and shade they strive against each other, the divinely striving ones.—
Thus, steadfast and beautiful, let us also be enemies, my friends! Divinely will we strive against one another!—
Alas! There hath the tarantula bit me myself, mine old enemy! Divinely steadfast and beautiful, it hath bit me on the finger!
"Punishment must there be, and justice"—so thinketh it: "not gratuitously shall he here sing songs in honour of enmity!"
Yea, it hath revenged itself! And alas! now will it make my soul also dizzy with revenge!
That I may not turn dizzy, however, bind me fast, my friends, to this pillar! Rather will I be a pillar-saint than a whirl of vengeance!
Verily, no cyclone or whirlwind is Zarathustra: and if he be a dancer, he is not at all a tarantula-dancer!—
Thus spake Zarathustra.

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting commentary from Benjamin Boyce (22 June, 2020), about what he describes as "a new caste system" in which "black individuals are sacred, and white individuals are profane".

For anyone who's unfamiliar with Benjamin Boyce, he's hardly a racist of any color — as it were. He's just deeply concerned about where this is all heading (as many are, but often feel equally concerned about being unable to voice anything about it), the irrational mob mentality on the loose, and the inversion of racism from blacks being held to be societally inferior, to whites now being painted as the inferior group.

In association with that, unconnected individuals, who've never harbored a racist thought in their lives, are being (or feeling) compelled to apologize for things which they've never done and/or which have never been specified. (These last two paragraphs are my own paraphrase of what I perceive Boyce's position to be.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k45pTT0evYQ

[shaberon]

Well she’s been in america for 8 years and is now 26, I wish I could introduce her to avalon but she keeps on sharing about how conspiracy theorist and believers are paranoid and crazy and with all the openness and information presented here she will just tar everything with the same brush...

I see.

We can de-construct her own language.

"Conspiracy Theory" comes from:

A Jesuit. The whole book is here on Avalon. 8 or 900 pages of dense, dry, mostly facts. Sounds compelling. However he falls silent or does not address a few key points. The bias can be found, but, you have to be really, really meticulous to dig it out. Further, he assassinated his own character by having served in--a Scottish university, I believe--where most of the other faculty saw him slide into a worthless drunk, writing for attention.

A person who did not speak German who attempted to interpret the trials of the Bavarian Illuminati. According to Thomas Jefferson, if Adam Weishaupt had been in America, he would have had no need for secrecy. So it is worth considering why he may have been disturbed about the German tyranny of his time.

And--

Nesta Webster, fundamental Trinitarian Christian Fascism.

Furthermore, a "conspiracy" is a crime, but, the problem is much, much more that crimes are not being committed, because laws have been changed to accommodate powerful interests. Therefor, most of what I complain about, is perfectly legal. We are not so much Conspiracy Theorists as we are displeased by Legal Facts. We or at least I am absolutely no kind of blind faith believer.


That is a difficult situation if someone refuses to listen. What I am finding, almost unilaterally, is that so-called Youth Movements are the main breeding ground for poisoning minds and agitating conflict. Aimed at 18-30 years old really. Whether it is Young Italy or Sunrise Movement. It is easy to do. At that age, you have all this exuberance and the feeling of grand wisdom gathered from your lengthy stay on earth, and are, basically, a weapon. She is in a corral like a piece of livestock, with all the other time bombs.

Put it this way. Even when I was younger, and, I think, pretty doggone close to Sunrise and so forth that are happening today, I still would have thought that little card was a piece of stupid garbage. It has de-evoluted into a whiny baby argument. Embarassing. How can you stoop so low as to re-distribue drivel? Go back and complete the third grade. Past a certain point, it is hard to find a "nice" way to put things, like the "slap" you mentioned.

[carnavas]

Thank you Shaberon for your time and patience and advice, I really appreciate your knowledge. I will try my best to put an impression and find the opportunity to suggest avalon forum, thank you for your dedication shows your kindness and favor. hopefully this storm will pass for good

[shaberon]

Well, a lot of what I do here is to possibly save someone ten or twenty years out of their life from "rabbit hole" searches, because, if I had better information at a younger age, I would not have wasted time like that. I suppose I spent most of my younger life in a state of "white apology" that just was not as scream-at-the-top-of-your-lungs like now.

Although indoctrinated mostly by terms of "extreme left", I didn't quite "turn coat" by going "right"...I examined it, and found that it was not exactly the response I was looking for. So this is not, not, not about trying to lure anyone into the "opposite camp". If you make it clear that we are not an "anything", this is not really a "movement", it might make her more comfortable about questioning currently-held points of view.

And, it is not even the case that some of the values expressed on the card are necessarily bad, it is the sort of mental hypnosis and violent disturbances which are being used to usher World Government. This is what we are running out of time to prevent. It is, perhaps, just an a-political message: why we do not want this particular system to unfold.

I mean, whatever they are saying in "validation" 1 & 2, of course you should listen to experience, and do your own research. Fine! Who wouldn't? But then at 3 it gives you an "ism" and starts telling you *how* to do it and "what reality is", but how profound is it to tell me to have conversations with the people I already know?!?

If they listen like in 2, then, from experience, I would have to say, I've done it, been around Blacks, Jews, Jesuits, Masons, Chinese, Indians, Africans, whatever, and it is more like any "kind" of person has a sick/weak/diseased variant, and, it also has sharp politically-dangerous members, but, for the most part, anyone who acts right will get along fine. At least around me and in most situations I have seen. So it's more like the whole subject is actually irrelevant.

What is more relevant is learning how to protect ourselves from either a person sick enough to attack or harass us physically or verbally, and, also, the sly ones of the World Government plan.

[carnavas]

Wow Shaberon I really enjoy reading your words and wisdom, it’s such a wonderful feeling really thank you forever:flower:

[Wade Frazier]

Note from Bill: I took the liberty of copying this post from Wade's thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1374931#post1374931), as it seemed very pertinent to this important discussion.

~~~

Hi:

I am going to take a little break to write on the current mayhem around J.K. Rowling (https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53944773). I am currently reading a book (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53052177-cynical-theories) on today’s craziness. I have written that in 2004, I was behind cars in traffic that had bumper stickers that said to pull the driver over and buy a house with nothing down. When I saw that, I knew something was broken, and began telling everybody who would listen (http://ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#enron). Some did, and avoided the catastrophe. I did not know exactly how it was broken, which did not become clear for a few years (http://ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#crisis), and the central banks have created an even bigger bubble this time (http://ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#mania). Those bumper stickers were a symptom.

When I could not find the men’s bathroom (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/53-Wade-s-Blog/page18?p=1855&viewfull=1#post1855) at my wife’s favorite restaurant last year, because it no longer existed, I knew something was broken. I had been seeing the tell-tale symptoms of it for years, but that was an “in-your-face” moment that I’ll never forget. That book I am reading explains how we got to this state of affairs. It began with a movement called “postmodernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism).” In a nutshell, postmodernism rejects the tenets of modernity, which is based, most broadly, on the Enlightenment and the rise of reason, science, and industry.

When people say that biological sex is unrelated to “gender” (or tangentially), that is a result of postmodern thought, in which biology is not as important as culture, and now, with all sorts of surgeries, drugs, and hormone treatments, confused people can mutilate their bodies to the extent that they can superficially ape the other sex. I see it all as a form of insanity, enabled by the medical racket, and societies will be paying for this craziness for a long time. As I sat down to write this, I thought of an apt analogy. Medical technology may advance to the point where people can transplant their heads onto dogs’ bodies, let’s say. If a person does that, because they just so identify with dogs, would you call somebody who did that a dog? Under the prevailing sentiment today, I guess that they would demand to be called dogs, or maybe “trans-dogs,” and there would be a movement to recognize their rights, but more importantly, castigate anybody who failed to see them as a full-fledged dog. A cousin of that is happening today. What if you could transplant a dog’s head onto a human’s body? What would you call that? A trans-human? Could they go to the university? Would there have to be courses developed for them?

As the authors of that book make clear, modernity, and the unfinished work of granting true equality for all, in which a person’s skin color, sexual orientation, ethnicity, and the like just don’t matter, is under attack by postmodernism and its bastard stepchildren, which today include ideologies around race, sex, disabilities, even fat people, and their “intersectionality,” in which a mentally disabled fat black gay trans “woman” is at the bottom of the discrimination hierarchy. Under this kind of framework, modernity is turned on its head, and instead of striving to make those distinctions unimportant, it makes them all-important, and paranoically looks for anybody who fails to cheer along a person’s perceived identity, no matter how delusional. It is the stuff of witch hunts.

Rowling’s heresy is to state that there is such a thing as a natural woman, and what comes with that journey, realities such as childbearing and menopause, which trans “women” will never know. Rowling, like many medical professionals, is horrified by the current trend of encouraging children to go tranny, replete with hormone treatments and the like. If a person cannot legally drink alcohol until they are 21, at what age should they be to make the choice to undergo lifelong changes that can forever destroy their ability to reproduce? I had the damnedest time getting a vasectomy in my early 30s, because I was not married (once I was married, it was no longer an issue). That was a trivial issue, compared to life-changing surgeries, to ape the other sex.

Oh, what postmodernism has spawned. Ed was not keen on it (http://ahealedplanet.net/herman.htm#postmodern), and neither was Noam, and it is antiscientific and often nonsensical, and its proponents even state that that is part of its virtue. I call it mind-f**k.

In the Fifth Epoch (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5), all of this craziness will be seen in a similar light to eugenics and other fads of our Epoch.

Best,

Wade

[Delight]

I heard a joke at the feed store.

"I would rather be 20 in the 70's than 70 in the 20's".

That is exactly right. The 70's were MY golden age IMO. I was there when feminism was my "word" about egality and fraternity and liberty. A woman might work in a career and have a partner who liked being home. It was letting us ACT as we chose. It was not about making all people or sexes alike. My future husband was not in my life yet but he was exploring the edges of gender. Glam rock said that guys could dress in wild costume and wear makeup and I met so many people coming out.

I was a student and there were people from all over the world in my life. People were political, were "futurists", were going "back to the land" and practicing all kinds of crafts. My favorite coffee house was run by Wiccans. One night at the famous all night drugstore on Ponce de Leon in Atlanta, a very tall and broad transvestite who was gorgeous gave me great lessons in make up. I was so full of great expectations for humans all to be free and happy in the 70's and early 80's. I did not notice race, color, creed. i noticed aliveness and THAT was ubiquitous.

I want my time machine. I will go back to Atlanta 1970's and kiss the ground.


The Matrix Revealed: The collective experiment on planet Earth
by Jon Rappoport
When all obsessive group-consciousness on Earth is finished, exhausted, when it admits defeat, then a different era will emerge. But for now, we are in the middle of the collective experiment.

High-flying cloying sentiment, profound dependence on others, covert repression---these are the order of the day.

How long until the collective age is over? A hundred years? A thousand years? The answer is, as long as it takes for every human to realize that the experiment has failed, and why.

The why is clear---the individual has been overlooked. He has been demeaned. He has been grabbed up and drafted into groups. His creative power has been compromised in order to fit in.

The majority of the world still believes in this approach, as if from good groups will flow the ultimate and final solutions we have all been seeking.

This is sheer mind control, because good groups morph into evil, and vice versa, in the ongoing stage play called reality.

Ideals are twisted, infiltrators subvert plans, lessons are ignored, and the whole sorry mess repeats itself again.

What constituted a triumph of good over evil at one moment is guided into yet another collective, whose aims are "a better kind of control."

The most deluded among us believe we are always on the cusp of a final breakthrough.

But there is no "we" to make the breakthrough.

It comes to every person on his own. And it does not arrive as the thrust of an external force, but from one's own struggle, accompanied by insights for which there is no outside agency to lend confirmation.

If indeed it will take a thousand years to bring this collective illusion to a close, that is no cause for despondent reaction.

On the contrary, it is simply an understanding that all experiments come to an end, as does the method of thought on which they are based.

One or ten or a hundred collapses of civilization, and the resultant rebuilding, are not enough.

The pattern endures.

It can only dissolve when overwhelming numbers of individuals, each in his own way, absent self-deception, sees its bankruptcy.

The "we" and the "us" are merely postponements and cover stories splashed on the front pages of the mind.

Fighting for what is right, here and now, is vital. But it does not preclude the knowledge that, as long as people are fixated on groups as the Answer, the underlying problem will persist.

Therefore, as part of my research over the last several decades, I have explored what is now commonly called the Matrix, from the point of view of freeing the individual from it.

The first step is understanding Matrix as an ongoing perverse "work of art" and viewing the nuts and bolts of it.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I feel that Delight, I know exactly what you mean. For me, it would be 1983. In that year I came of age. I don't know how or what happened exactly, but I became aware of "things", in touch with things, of myself, the world, the past, present and future, all at the same time, all in that year. Maybe it was a spiritual up-shifting of something, but my consciousness changed. Instead of being a passenger in my body and just "experiencing" life, I became the pilot and proceeded to live it.

Also of late I too have become very very nostalgic for the past, to the point of melancholy. I'm not a big watcher of TV, but I've been watching more and more obscure cable channels that show almost entirely old, old shows, the stuff I watched in my youth. The Professionals, Doctor Who, Columbo, The A-Team, and many more. The world was a mess back then too, but we were given a clear vision of the future that made it all better. I spent so many hours in the school library reading not academic books but books about space, about science, and the wonders of tomorrow. The year 2000 was still impossibly distant, but I was enthralled with it, the future to be, the lives we might lead. Now I feel we've been sold down the river. Dreaming the dream and living it turned out to be two very different things.

[Constance]

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[Tintin]

Schools and universities - Institutions who's real purpose is to destroy any spontaneity that may exist within a child. When we are able to pursue all of our passions spontaneously, learning consciously via all 81 intelligences, there is potential for true growth within the experience.

New Schools Program Is Dangerous And Divisive






If you thought Safe Schools was bad, wait until you find out what the NSW Education department is doing to make schools unsafe in this state.

As part of an initiative called ‘Racism. No Way!’ children from Kindergarten to Year 12 are being indoctrinated with lessons in unconscious bias, white privilege and institutional racism.

While the initiative bills itself as ‘anti-racism education for Australian schools’, the reality is that it has turned the classroom into a highly politicised environment in which children are being told Australia’s history, as well as its institutions, are racist, and that white people should feel guilty about being white.

The lessons, which claim to ‘develop the foundation knowledge and skills needed to counter racism, prejudice, and discrimination’ have been designed to be taught across all learning areas of the NSW Curriculum.

And because the people behind ‘Racism. No Way!’ believe that you can never start too early, they have developed a series of ‘anti- prejudice’ classroom activities for kindergarten children.

In ‘Understanding Prejudice,’ four-year -olds who are barely able to write their own name are asked to discuss ‘discrimination which exists between the two groups as well as its effects’.

Meanwhile, their 10 -year- old counterparts are being introduced to ‘Critical Race Theory’ in lessons such as ‘Racist Behaviour’ which explains that ‘sometimes it’s hard to recognise racism, especially if you’re not the target’ and that ‘racism is a policy or system of government and society based upon it.’

In a lesson called ‘Institutional Racism’, teenagers are required to ‘identity, define and consider effects of institutional racism’ while in ‘National Symbols’ they are asked to consider if the Australian flag is really appropriate for Australia today.

By the time they reach secondary school, it’s all about ‘white privilege.’

Students watch an American film called ‘you don’t have to be racist to have white privilege’ featuring a feisty woman of colour explaining that from the moment a white person is born, they are afforded certain privileges.

See the rest of the article here (https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/new-schools-program-is-dangerous-and-divisive)

https://racismnoway.com.au/about-racism/understanding-racism/white-privilege/

Thanks for this Constance :thumbsup:

It seems like this sort of pernicious drivel, if it hasn't already, is beginning to gain traction over here too, sadly.

[Constance]

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