Ideas share for the benefit of all

[Mayan2012]

It seems there is a lot of talk about the possibility of solar flares causing the electric grid to go out for an indefinite length of time, I got to thinking how to survive long enough so my family and I can make it through until the power comes back.

As most of you know, water is the most important substance to sustain life.
Fortunately, I realized that water is all around us, in fact we are like fish, in that we walk around in water in the form of gas, humidity. So if we can get that water, we can solve the water problem.
The best way to get water out of the air is by the use of an air dehumidifier, I know my dehumidifier can give me several gallons of water per day so if you have a family, you may need more than one humidifier to supply you with bathing, cooking, drinking, watering a small farm, etc.. You may have to build a large dehumidifier for the farming part but the point here is that even if you don't live near a water source, you can still acquire water and survive.

Now, I know what you are thinking, if the electricity goes out, how am I going to run the dehumidifier?????

Good question.

Here goes.

At any Wal Mart or auto parts store, there are these boxes that are called DC/AC power inverters and are sold to use in your car to plug in things like your laptop that normally can only be plugged into your house outlets. These inverters come in different powers depending on what you want to use it for and how much you are willing to pay for one. These inverters run on car battery power of 12 volts, you all you need is a car battery. Now, you need to keep the battery charged so it has power to go into the inverter, so you get an alternator from an auto parts store.
These alternators have a pulley that is attached to the fan in the engine via a fan belt, but in this case we can take a 21 gear bicycle, put it on an bike exercise frame that you can find at most bike shops or almost any sports store. Take the tire off the rim and connect the rim to the pulley on the alternator and begin pedaling and charging up your car battery or several car batteries. There are other ways to keep these batteries charged up but I find that this is the simplest way.

I invite all of you to share your ideas on how to survive in an emergency where you have to figure out how to stay warm in the winter, find food, cook food, etc.
If we all form a collective mind where what one thinks is share by all to use or improve on and then in turn share it for all to benefit from it or improve on it.

Thank you for reading this and I hope many of you will decide to participate and share.

Mayan2012

[witchy1]

Thanks Mayan, you make it sound so easy. Dont suppose you have a visual on it???? I got confused here and connect the rim to the pulley on the alternator
what do you use to connect the rim to the pulley or do they interlink somehow. I cant picture it in my mind - but thats probably because I dont even know what an alternator is - lol. Although Im sure if I saw one I would recognise it.:confused:

As for my input, unless you need a naso gastric tube put in, or a catheter, or (in later life) schmooze some customers and take them to lunch, or orgainise a conference or silver service breakfast then Im stuffed. I could create a spreadsheet or a word document for anyone or do some research or go shopping or have drinks with you - thats always helpful;)

However - I can grow a good garden and sew and knit and my cookings not too bad - Oh and I can now thow some MMS into some water to make it potable---- And can usually keep people alive.:hug:

Excellent idea for a thread. Keep hammering away at us poor unfortunate souls who struggle with all things energy. ( I dont even understand electricity, or how the inside of a battery works):mmph:
W

[Mayan2012]

Thanks Mayan, you make it sound so easy. Dont suppose you have a visual on it???? I got confused here and connect the rim to the pulley on the alternator
what do you use to connect the rim to the pulley or do they interlink somehow. I cant picture it in my mind - but thats probably because I dont even know what an alternator is - lol. Although Im sure if I saw one I would recognise it.:confused:

As for my input, unless you need a naso gastric tube put in, or a catheter, or (in later life) schmooze some customers and take them to lunch, or orgainise a conference or silver service breakfast then Im stuffed. I could create a spreadsheet or a word document for anyone or do some research or go shopping or have drinks with you - thats always helpful;)

However - I can grow a good garden and sew and knit and my cookings not too bad - Oh and I can now thow some MMS into some water to make it potable---- And can usually keep people alive.:hug:

Excellent idea for a thread. Keep hammering away at us poor unfortunate souls who struggle with all things energy. ( I dont even understand electricity, or how the inside of a battery works):mmph:
W

Thanks for your input witchy1. It seems you have sooo much to offer, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If the situation arises where we all need to band together, there will be people who will make sure there is electricity provided for you and others who have other skills, knowledge, ideas or just plain willingness to do what needs to be done, such as serve food, wash dishes, wash clothing help people heal, help build houses, etc.
Electricity is not so difficult to understand. it acts much like water flowing through hose lines. But that is another thread.
As far as how to connect the bicycle rim to the alternator, well, it's done by using a fan belt, like the one you see on the motor of your car, except that it would have to be a longer belt to go around the bike rim and the pulley on the alternator, which is what produces electricity when it's pulley turns fast.

http://www.daltonrubber.com/images/vv.jpgThis is an image of two pulleys connected by a belt. There are many different types of belts. In my model the larger wheel would be the bicycle rim and the smaller pulley would be the pulley attached to the alternator.

http://www.handymanlyness.com/archives/auto/repair/electrical/alternator/replace/mxelal02a_alternator.jpgThis is an alternator. There are different looking alternators to match the different needs of an engine design but they all look very similar to this one.

I will try to draw the model I described and will post it soon. I have to draw it and scan it then upload it.

Have a great day. witchy1

[witchy1]

I think I get it.....for some reason I had the alternator beside the bike wheel - but you have it in front and joined the 2 wheels with a belt - gotcha. (I need to look in front and not off to the sides)

Thanks Mayan

[Mayan2012]

I think I get it.....for some reason I had the alternator beside the bike wheel - but you have it in front and joined the 2 wheels with a belt - gotcha. (I need to look in front and not off to the sides)

Thanks Mayan

If you are into MMS, you may also want to read about the many heath benefits of Sodium Bicarbonate or Baking Soda. it is so useful and so cheap, no more than $1.00 per pound. It is very effective at cleaning your teeth instead of toothpaste which is expensive and may contain fluoride, unless you decide to spend more and get the one that fluoride has not been added. Why they charge more for a product that has less ingredients, is beyond me, I can only guess that it's because they can.
Something that you may already know, but for the benefit of those who don't, Baking Soda can also cure cancer. This treatment is now being used, successfully by its discoverer Dr. Simoncini. I recommend you go to this site and read about it: http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Simoncini.html.
If that is not enough, if you mix half a teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water and drink it twice a day, it will keep your immune system strong, which will keep you from getting colds, flus, viruses and many other bugs from attacking your health. I believe it works mainly because it has a very high PH (alkaline) most germs cannot survive in an alkaline environment.

Because it does kill most germs and bacteria, it is good to put in your water if you are not sure about the cleanliness of it.

[Mayan2012]

Here is another bit of information some of you may find interesting. Nikola Tesla was an inventor, mechanical engineer and electrical engineer. He was born in 1856 and died in 1943.
Among his many inventions was this little circuit, that takes energy waves from the atmosphere and turns them into electricity.
If this interests you, here is the video showing how to build it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vko8pfnX_w0
I, personally have not built it but as soon as this snow melts away from my driveway, I will go to Radio Shack and buy the parts to build it. I will be sure to post my results when I do.

[jeannacav]

Yes, that little circuit does work.
It is very little electricity. On the meter it showed 1.73 volts. And, yes it is very cool because it is free.
The antenna needs to be very long. I am not too sure, but 30 feet might do it.
I wasn't able to go 30 feet up and it took me about 4 hours to recharge a AAA battery. It only recharged the battery to 1.17v, so it is really a tiny bit of electricity.

If you want to light your rooms in your house, you can learn how to make a joule thief.
This is a very cool circuit and I wish everybody knew how to make it.
Go to makezine dot com and
watch this 3 times and make it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAqGKt64WM)

You can use dead batteries to light up a led.
When the lights are out you will be very glad you already made this.
Then get a party together and teach your friends.
All the parts are available from radio shack except for the most important toroid.
If you have a burned out compact fluorescent bulb, you can take the toroid out of it to make this.
I think makezine sells a kit of parts to make it easier for you.

I made my first one about 3 years ago.
Now, I can light up my house (small house) with a handful of AA batteries.

I guess those solar garden lights are good for this if you can get them too.
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I think the dehumidifier takes around 1000 watts.
I think you can make a 'dew catcher' with a few cheap items and catch the humidity from the air.
(I love sharing this idea, mayan, I just think the dehumidifier won't make enough water with the car before the gas runs out.)

See what google gets you for dew catcher. I used to have lots of links on my older computer.

The dew happens because the temperature is lower and the trick is to move the warm humid air into a cooler area.
Then you provide a membrane like a plastic sheet and the dew drips off.
This can be as simple as putting a plastic sheet around a water bottle with cold water in it and collecting the drip in a basin below.
It is the same idea as the dehumidifier but without electricity.

I also think it is a good idea to try this before you are in an emergency.

jeanna

This is made with the toroid from inside a compact fluorescent base (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNQrYy_Bw4)
There are other videos you might like there too.
Most of them are not really there to teach you how to make the things, but some are and it is a kind of overview of the possibilities.

[Mayan2012]

Thank you Jeannacav for your contribution. The circuit is a good example of a model for a much bigger circuit that can power your entire house or business or car even, if you adapt it to run an electric car. All that would be needed are more powerful capacitors and diodes. As far as the antenna is concerned, I just saw a video on NOVA about how the Universe is fractal and how things in the shape of a fractal behave differently. In the topic of antennas, the video said that the reason that cell phones do not need external antennas any more is that it was discovered that if you shape an antenna in the shape of a fractal, it not only pics up a stronger frequency but it also pics up a much greater range of frequencies. So, in the circuit that we are discussing, it would be interesting if we would design an antenna that is pretty large, large enough to carry the high power for about 200 amps or maybe less amps and have a transformer that would boost the power enough to bring up the amps to around 200, which is what my house uses.
I just recently discovered this video and I am gathering more information so that I can build a power supply that can run at least the heat pump in my house.
I will share any new information as I find it.
The idea of running the dehumidifier with a car battery was not intended to be a battery still in a car but powered by another type of external power, be it pedal power from a bicycle or a wheel being turned by water current from a river or water fall or from a wind mill, anything that may be at your disposal.

[Arrowwind]

Geeze, I just got so thirsty riding that bike to charge the battery to run the dehumidifer that I drank up all the water I just got dehumidifed:p

I had to ride the bike cause the car was out of gas cause the gas station pumps dont work cause theres no electricity.
:shocked:

[Mayan2012]

Geeze, I just got so thirsty riding that bike to charge the battery to run the dehumidifer that I drank up all the water I just got dehumidifed:p

I had to ride the bike cause the car was out of gas cause the gas station pumps dont work cause theres no electricity.
:shocked:
And I bet you are in GREAT SHAPE. :-)

[TWINNICK]

Mayan2012,

good subject here, this will be good when it builds up a good load of helpful ideas, we need to add lots to it. I know there is tons of info out there, I use a 12 volt jump starter battery to make my own colloidal silver and it works really well,about 5-6 hours with distilled water in a bowl sitting on the kitchen sink while I am on the computer.

I remember reading all about the bi-carb soda and keep forgetting to get some every time I go to the shops, thanks for reminding me. I think you might have to be pretty keen to charge up a big battery with your bike, or be into tour de france LOL, it would work though, just take awhile depending on how big the alternator was and how depleted your battery was.

My survival kit is almost complete now, I bought a SAWYER point 1 water filter and a KATADYN pocket (hand pump) water filter, from my research they are some of the best around. The KATADYN has a ceramic silver impregnated cartridge and the SAWYER is tiny but effective against almost everything.

I have a titanium hex portable wood stove that you fold up and put in your pocket or backpack and feed it any small twigs or bark (what ever you can scrounge) plenty of good knives(folders and fixed) with a few good diamond sharpeners, plenty of torches (flashlights to you blokes across the pond) and I will get me one of those military portable solar panels ( roll up)(fold up small) so I can charge my re-chargable AAA and AA batteries.

A good education of your countries bush foods is a major bonus incase you have to escape the big smoke( which is highly disirable in a SHTF moment or emergency I recon) so you can know what you can eat and what will be used as bush medicine or what will kill you LOL.

A good quality insulated sleeping mat ( foam air role up) and top quality sleeping bag rated at minus 10-20c with a good mozzy net and some first aid knowlage will help greatly.

There is plenty more to organize your selves with, especially if Charles's false flag ET/war/ptb/climate change/pole shift/dwarf planet/earthquake/sunami/ice age etc (bloody hell) comes at us sooner than later, which I think some are going to.

Just put some thought into it and get your s##t together my fellow Avalonians.

Actually it pisses me of that most people don't even carry a good torch with them or even have one, you spend 50 % or more of this life in the dark ,WTF????.

A good multi tool is small to carry and can do so much in the way of making life easier for you, especially in an emergency situation.

A top quality pare of boots with good quality clothing,long pants, long sleeved shirts with pockets, A good belt, A good hat(hehe Bill) A quality jacket and jumpers(woolys) , all to protect you from the elements and bugs and beasties.

Look around on the net and do some price comparison, there is good quality equipment to be obtained for good prices these days.
Some way to hunt or fish if you have to, I have a compound hunting bow and need to get some fishing gear to go with my kit but you can use the old grey matter and make snares or traps just like we did in the old days.

Start collecting seeds like Charles mentioned just incase you can stay put and get a garden going, BUT REMEMBER if you have food and someone else doesn't you may become very popular weather you like it or not.( in a SHTF kind of way).

In an emergency situation like an earthquake or the ptw want to do another little false flag event or natural disaster, people and animals are sh#ting them selves and can become very desperate and violent to the point of killing to get what they want or get away from the problem, and if you are in the way or have something they need then watch out. Keep your wits about you at all times and be prepared for almost any thing.

If we all start thinking clearly about this and I mean spiritually and emotionally and physically we have the best chance of dealing with all these world events that we are privy to on Avalon and else where just by using our computers, its the biggest library/encyclopeadier/shop/hardwarestore/ referance tool in the world at our disposal.

If Atticus and some others are right we should be all doing this NOW, Take a look at the survival websites or the alternative power sites or the natural food sites, there's heaps of good info to be used to help us and our families be prepared for whats coming at us.

If none of the freaky stuff that is touted about these days is true, well we just learnt how to look after ourselves a little better and we can deal with problems that crop up in everyday life with a better skill base, instead of waiting for someone else to come along and fix it for us.

..Nick..

[Arrowwind]

If you have sleeping bags that are not warm enough to to the thrift store and look for used down vests.. Slice open your bag where the cold spots are and stuffusing the down from these used articles... Ive been able to amp up a few bags this way.

[Mayan2012]

Mayan2012,

good subject here, this will be good when it builds up a good load of helpful ideas, we need to add lots to it. I know there is tons of info out there, I use a 12 volt jump starter battery to make my own colloidal silver and it works really well,about 5-6 hours with distilled water in a bowl sitting on the kitchen sink while I am on the computer.

I remember reading all about the bi-carb soda and keep forgetting to get some every time I go to the shops, thanks for reminding me. I think you might have to be pretty keen to charge up a big battery with your bike, or be into tour de france LOL, it would work though, just take awhile depending on how big the alternator was and how depleted your battery was.

My survival kit is almost complete now, I bought a SAWYER point 1 water filter and a KATADYN pocket (hand pump) water filter, from my research they are some of the best around. The KATADYN has a ceramic silver impregnated cartridge and the SAWYER is tiny but effective against almost everything.

I have a titanium hex portable wood stove that you fold up and put in your pocket or backpack and feed it any small twigs or bark (what ever you can scrounge) plenty of good knives(folders and fixed) with a few good diamond sharpeners, plenty of torches (flashlights to you blokes across the pond) and I will get me one of those military portable solar panels ( roll up)(fold up small) so I can charge my re-chargable AAA and AA batteries.

A good education of your countries bush foods is a major bonus incase you have to escape the big smoke( which is highly disirable in a SHTF moment or emergency I recon) so you can know what you can eat and what will be used as bush medicine or what will kill you LOL.

A good quality insulated sleeping mat ( foam air role up) and top quality sleeping bag rated at minus 10-20c with a good mozzy net and some first aid knowlage will help greatly.

There is plenty more to organize your selves with, especially if Charles's false flag ET/war/ptb/climate change/pole shift/dwarf planet/earthquake/sunami/ice age etc (bloody hell) comes at us sooner than later, which I think some are going to.

Just put some thought into it and get your s##t together my fellow Avalonians.

Actually it pisses me of that most people don't even carry a good torch with them or even have one, you spend 50 % or more of this life in the dark ,WTF????.

A good multi tool is small to carry and can do so much in the way of making life easier for you, especially in an emergency situation.

A top quality pare of boots with good quality clothing,long pants, long sleeved shirts with pockets, A good belt, A good hat(hehe Bill) A quality jacket and jumpers(woolys) , all to protect you from the elements and bugs and beasties.

Look around on the net and do some price comparison, there is good quality equipment to be obtained for good prices these days.
Some way to hunt or fish if you have to, I have a compound hunting bow and need to get some fishing gear to go with my kit but you can use the old grey matter and make snares or traps just like we did in the old days.

Start collecting seeds like Charles mentioned just incase you can stay put and get a garden going, BUT REMEMBER if you have food and someone else doesn't you may become very popular weather you like it or not.( in a SHTF kind of way).

In an emergency situation like an earthquake or the ptw want to do another little false flag event or natural disaster, people and animals are sh#ting them selves and can become very desperate and violent to the point of killing to get what they want or get away from the problem, and if you are in the way or have something they need then watch out. Keep your wits about you at all times and be prepared for almost any thing.

If we all start thinking clearly about this and I mean spiritually and emotionally and physically we have the best chance of dealing with all these world events that we are privy to on Avalon and else where just by using our computers, its the biggest library/encyclopeadier/shop/hardwarestore/ referance tool in the world at our disposal.

If Atticus and some others are right we should be all doing this NOW, Take a look at the survival websites or the alternative power sites or the natural food sites, there's heaps of good info to be used to help us and our families be prepared for whats coming at us.

If none of the freaky stuff that is touted about these days is true, well we just learnt how to look after ourselves a little better and we can deal with problems that crop up in everyday life with a better skill base, instead of waiting for someone else to come along and fix it for us.

..Nick..

Sounds like you are ready for anything. As far as the charging the 12 volt battery issue. Alternators now a days are made so that they can keep charging a battery even idling speeds. So it wouldn't take much biking to do the job. If you connect it to a windmill turning the alternator, with the use of gears, you can turn it at pretty high RPMS.
Thanks for all your valuable suggestions, I am sure many of our fellow Avalonians will benefit from them.

[TWINNICK]

:p Hi Mayan, yes the tour de france comment was just my sense of humor.

I remember years ago when travelling up through the center of Oz on my way to Darwin with a mate for a " buzz around the block" as we might say here, actually it was 23500 kl by the time we got home again:rofl: Wow what a trip that was, anyway we kept seeing these Toyota Landcruiser's and Nissan Patrols and other fully decked out 4+4's coming towards us on the highway with alternators stuck on top of stalks attached to the bull bars with fan blades go'n absolutely flat out like a lizzard drinking as they were driving along.

First one we saw I thought "wtf" and reached for the bino's to take a look( bino's were always at the ready because up there, there isn't any speed limits and no fences either, so a malley bull or roo could be on the road and you want to see it before it walks casually into your path when doin 120kph) what they were doing was putting a radiator fan blade onto an alternator and sticking it on a metal pole so it was above the roof line and catching some extra amps for charging more batteries to run more fridges and stuff.

Its a good idea, even if you do use a tiny bit extra fuel because of the wind resistance. You can't do this in a built up area but out in the middle of nowhere it can't hurt anybody(except the odd bug LOL).

..Nick..

[Mayan2012]

:p Hi Mayan, yes the tour de france comment was just my sense of humor.

I remember years ago when travelling up through the center of Oz on my way to Darwin with a mate for a " buzz around the block" as we might say here, actually it was 23500 kl by the time we got home again:rofl: Wow what a trip that was, anyway we kept seeing these Toyota Landcruiser's and Nissan Patrols and other fully decked out 4+4's coming towards us on the highway with alternators stuck on top of stalks attached to the bull bars with fan blades go'n absolutely flat out like a lizzard drinking as they were driving along.

First one we saw I thought "wtf" and reached for the bino's to take a look( bino's were always at the ready because up there, there isn't any speed limits and no fences either, so a malley bull or roo could be on the road and you want to see it before it walks casually into your path when doin 120kph) what they were doing was putting a radiator fan blade onto an alternator and sticking it on a metal pole so it was above the roof line and catching some extra amps for charging more batteries to run more fridges and stuff.

Its a good idea, even if you do use a tiny bit extra fuel because of the wind resistance. You can't do this in a built up area but out in the middle of nowhere it can't hurt anybody(except the odd bug LOL).

..Nick..

The fan idea sounds great, I never thought about it. So in order to decrease the wind resistance, one could build a case around the fan in the shape of a jet engine case so that it cuts through the wind better. I bet one could find or make fan blades to mimic turbine fan blades and make it even more efficient. If you don't have refrigerators or any other appliances but just a basic vehicle, then assisting the alternator with the fan idea would decrease the load on the alternator and therefore reducing the gas that the vehicle uses.
It's amazing how many ways we can come up with to get free energy from our environment.
Keep those ideas coming, mate. The more we share with the world, the faster the world will improve.

[jinn71]

It seems there is a lot of talk about the possibility of solar flares causing the electric grid to go out for an indefinite length of time, I got to thinking how to survive long enough so my family and I can make it through until the power comes back.

As most of you know, water is the most important substance to sustain life.
Fortunately, I realized that water is all around us, in fact we are like fish, in that we walk around in water in the form of gas, humidity. So if we can get that water, we can solve the water problem.
The best way to get water out of the air is by the use of an air dehumidifier, I know my dehumidifier can give me several gallons of water per day so if you have a family, you may need more than one humidifier to supply you with bathing, cooking, drinking, watering a small farm, etc.. You may have to build a large dehumidifier for the farming part but the point here is that even if you don't live near a water source, you can still acquire water and survive.

Now, I know what you are thinking, if the electricity goes out, how am I going to run the dehumidifier?????

Good question.

Here goes.

At any Wal Mart or auto parts store, there are these boxes that are called DC/AC power inverters and are sold to use in your car to plug in things like your laptop that normally can only be plugged into your house outlets. These inverters come in different powers depending on what you want to use it for and how much you are willing to pay for one. These inverters run on car battery power of 12 volts, you all you need is a car battery. Now, you need to keep the battery charged so it has power to go into the inverter, so you get an alternator from an auto parts store.
These alternators have a pulley that is attached to the fan in the engine via a fan belt, but in this case we can take a 21 gear bicycle, put it on an bike exercise frame that you can find at most bike shops or almost any sports store. Take the tire off the rim and connect the rim to the pulley on the alternator and begin pedaling and charging up your car battery or several car batteries. There are other ways to keep these batteries charged up but I find that this is the simplest way.

I invite all of you to share your ideas on how to survive in an emergency where you have to figure out how to stay warm in the winter, find food, cook food, etc.
If we all form a collective mind where what one thinks is share by all to use or improve on and then in turn share it for all to benefit from it or improve on it.

Thank you for reading this and I hope many of you will decide to participate and share.

Mayan2012


Hello Mayan2012
next to actual bodies of water the atmosphere is the 2nd largest source of water. I have found at least two references/examples online of wind turbines that actually extract the moisture from the atmosphere, condense and collect it. A secondary purification might be needed (not sure), but no external input is required, just wind.
http://cleantech.com/news/5152/wind-turbine-pumps-out-drinkable-wa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4kRjY4Qdk (this one DOES require electricity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf0krn99Y20&feature=related
...I have not seen one first hand though

[TWINNICK]

G'day,

Another good way to get fresh drinking water is to place a large plastic bag over a healthy limb of a tree that has lots of green leaves on it, tie the bag firmly around the base of the limb or branch and make sure at least one of the corners of the bag is hanging down lower than the branch if not most of it.

Get as many leaves as possible into the bag, and it has to be tied off nice and snug so no moisture can escape, in sunlight it will produce water as condensation forms from the leaves sweating and drip into the bottom of the bag.

Its quite effective and you can even place a long tube into the bag when you are setting it up so you can drink whilst the process is happening, the water produced is pure and can be drunk straight away without filtering.

Just make sure you pick a branch that doesn't have bird crap or other muck on it(LOL)

..Nick..