A "Q" related information/commentary/discussion thread

[Chester]

More and more, I am coming upon information I wish to post about. When I say, "post about," I am not only referring to "information presentation" but also (and more importantly) to commentary which hopefully would also stimulate intelligent, honest discussion.

So as a.) not to have to endure the potential censorship of the posts I, and perhaps others, might wish to make in this thread... and b.) to avoid the silliness of schism activism... and c.) to keep uncluttered ("un-derailed") the primary 'real time' Q thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis), I have chosen to place it in the "members only" zone.

One warning to all - That which I will be presenting may be perceived as "anti-Q" and I risk being labeled a "Q denier" or a "Q skeptic" or, or, or...

But my goal is to explore the Q phenomenon from a much wider perspective. One that takes into consideration so much of what has been discussed on this forum (and elsewhere) over the years yet, since the 2016 US presidential election occurred, seems to have experienced a diminishment of its hierarchical prowess with regards to our attention upon it. In fact, could that be one of "their" goals? Ahhhhh, there is that "they" word.

And "the they" will be the central focus with regards to many of the posts I have planned for this thread.

[Chester]

Some of you are familiar with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell.

Recently, Dr. Farrell has done an interview with Greg Carlwood of The Higherside Chats. A portion of the full interview is available here –

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-joseph-p-farrell-engineered-unrest-baal-gates-the-plandemic/?highlight=Farrell

Pick up the discussion around the 39:00 minute mark (40:00 of the full version/paywalled version) which leads into the discussion of Trump and eventually leads up to where Dr. Farrell shares his view as to what he believes may be one of the motivations behind “the Q” movement.

Please, listen to that segment (up to about 55:00 or so) for context with regards to commentary I will provide just after this specific quote –

“…and again, the election itself, is, I think, a major target of this operation [the “plandemic”] in that, as I say, I think we’re already in kind of a ‘de facto’ civil war of a cultural type and the nation [the US, as this conversation is essentially US centric] is so badly divided that regardless of who wins on election day this year (2020), the other side is going to be absolutely ballistic.”

It is my view that all these elections (including Trump’s win in 2016) are engineered. Here’s a very brief explanation of my opinion. Trump was easy to handicap. First, he’s a pure outsider and had zero “inner [deep] state” connections. But perhaps more important a factor is that Trump would be Trump. And Trump, by his very nature, would be massively polarizing in an overt way as he just can’t help himself. Another factor that “they” probably handicapped is that Trump would do everything within his power and ability (despite his “known to himself” lack of control of his mouth and fingers) to get re-elected and complete eight years as a president of the United States.

Considering all the above, it isn’t hard to imagine that “they” [the controllers] didn’t see the opportunity to accelerate, yes… shorten the timeframe between then (2016) and the achievement of their goals – a totalitarian one-world government which has achieved a sort of “severance” of the connection to “the true human power” held by each and every human being… the power that, if further developed by humans who have awakened to it, would eventually topple the current power structure and those who own and manage it.

So, if my thinking is somewhat on target, then Biden is certain to win in 2020. The “Trump mission” has been accomplished and so what more can be gained with another 4 years? The explosion is already set. Add in the election fraud via “mail in voting” it makes more sense for Biden to win so that the polarized “other side” will have a tangible target to “go ballistic” about. But that is just one thing on the list and the list is miles long (from both sides, from each side’s point of view).

Unfortunately, unless you are a subscriber, you can’t hear what Dr. Farrell says next as to his opinion of the function of Q.

The “Q movement” has driven expectations that we are going to “see things” like, justice for Trump, justice for general Flynn, et al. Also, there will be major actions taken against the pedophilia networks that are depicted as “embedded in the deep state [with the democratic party operators as the primary partakers and protectors though “deep state” extends across the political spectrum].

With Trump depicted as the symbol of the archetype, the savior and with Trump’s political move to appear supportive of the evangelicals as well as the orthodox Jewish faction associated with an “end of the world” apocalyptic scenario, you can see how the Q movement has used the meme of “ordained by God” (implying Trump as their savior incarnate).

And so back to the point Dr. Farrell makes… by driving expectations and, a little victory here or there propped up as proof (along with the other Q proofs, especially Q+ proofs), this essentially pacifies a significant segment of the otherwise radical right into a “Trust the Plan” mode. Obviously, with exactly four months to go until election, even if Durham comes out with “earth shattering” indictments, not a single case will be prosecuted to a conclusion much less a conviction unless Trump is re-elected, and even still… would have to obtain convictions in a jurisdiction that is deep red to have any shot of actually occurring.

I will have far more to say with regards to the Epstein “case” which has apparently moved into its next phase of damage control. Maxwell has only one choice – protect everyone else staring with Prince Andrew. Protect the black mail operations. They can’t kill her, but if she, in any way, opens her mouth in the wrong way, that information will never get to the public. Will they kill her? I would think not. That would be “too fishy.” But, as I will post about shortly… she either realizes, or will soon “understand clearly,” that the Epstein operation (of which sex with the underage and blackmail were a secondary benefit) and all operations like it are no longer needed. Stay tuned.

To wrap up my focus on Dr. Farrell and his discussion with Greg Carlwood as it relates to Q, you get an interesting take from one of the comments and I quote it here –

dk910 says:

June 5, 2020 at 5:09 PM

Great to hear Joe’s voice on the current CON-flagration, he always comes across down to Earth & genuine. His copious research has been imperative to my tenuous grasp on the great Hydra.

In the scope of the entire interview, a small but pestering complaint – with regard to the lack of diligence given to the Q phenomenon. Easy enough for me to understand why people of your and Joe’s credentials would discount an idea with the tagline “trust the plan”, but having looked at that info with a staunchly skeptical and impartial view for the past couple of years, I would say that it is not a cul-de-sac for apathy or savior seekers.

While the “outcome” that Q “promises”, would be a delight for all self-thinking, lovers of Humanity… it would not come without “the Heavens falling”. Events and a level of polarized hysteria that would make the past few months look like Romper Room. The manifestation and comprehension of such a scenario is hard work, say nothing for articulating it to Normies, something that would be required on the other side of said outcome.

Same critique for commentary on the topic I’ve heard on your show from other recent guests (Gordon, Chris, Max, all of whom I also greatly enjoy and respect), and again I get it… the idea of the POTUS, even worse, cartoonish Trump, as some messianic figure should motivate skepticism, to say the least. But should the caricature of Trump, as created by the media (and played upon by Trump himself) or a Boomer in a WWG1WGA tee-shirt holding a “Trust the Plan” sign be enough to shut down interpreting, researching, analyzing what is posted by Q, and how those posts pertain to current events and evolving circumstances?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the only entire show I’ve heard you dedicate to the topic was Jordan Sather a couple years ago. Though seemingly well intentioned and a handsome face for his videos, I find him lacking in competency, a poor analyst of & representative for the subject. An honest day in court on the 8kun research page is enough to see that there is a kaleidoscope of contribution to the Q research community, from rah-rah cheerleaders, to rampaging racists, to unhinged shills, vicious trolls, the salt of the Earth, and some seriously good commentary.

As for “The Plan”, I don’t “trust” it. I don’t even “trust” myself half the time. But I understand marketing, propaganda and mass appeal as part of strategy. I comprehend Sun Tzu and have had plenty of schooling in Psy Ops (haven’t we all), and see public maneuvering aligning with the posts and the (competent) analysis of those posts… brought seemingly full circle by the events of 2020 to date. Might I recommend Neon Revolt for an interview… would love to hear your thoughts on his work, seems right up your alley.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/

Plan or not, God help all of us who have retained Humanity in our heart through the reign of this anti-human Hydra in the months that lie ahead.

Love what you’re doing man, keep it up, look forward to your commentary and guests as things proceed.”

[Ratszinger]

Some of you are familiar with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell.

Recently, Dr. Farrell has done an interview with Greg Carlwood of The Higherside Chats. A portion of the full interview is available here –

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-joseph-p-farrell-engineered-unrest-baal-gates-the-plandemic/?highlight=Farrell

Pick up the discussion around the 39:00 minute mark (40:00 of the full version/paywalled version) which leads into the discussion of Trump and eventually leads up to where Dr. Farrell shares his view as to what he believes may be one of the motivations behind “the Q” movement.

Please, listen to that segment (up to about 55:00 or so) for context with regards to commentary I will provide just after this specific quote –

“…and again, the election itself, is, I think, a major target of this operation [the “plandemic”] in that, as I say, I think we’re already in kind of a ‘de facto’ civil war of a cultural type and the nation [the US, as this conversation is essentially US centric] is so badly divided that regardless of who wins on election day this year (2020), the other side is going to be absolutely ballistic.”

It is my view that all these elections (including Trump’s win in 2016) are engineered. Here’s a very brief explanation of my opinion. Trump was easy to handicap. First, he’s a pure outsider and had zero “inner [deep] state” connections. But perhaps more important a factor is that Trump would be Trump. And Trump, by his very nature, would be massively polarizing in an overt way as he just can’t help himself. Another factor that “they” probably handicapped is that Trump would do everything within his power and ability (despite his “known to himself” lack of control of his mouth and fingers) to get re-elected and complete eight years as a president of the United States.

Considering all the above, it isn’t hard to imagine that “they” [the controllers] didn’t see the opportunity to accelerate, yes… shorten the timeframe between then (2016) and the achievement of their goals – a totalitarian one-world government which has achieved a sort of “severance” of the connection to “the true human power” held by each and every human being… the power that, if further developed by humans who have awakened to it, would eventually topple the current power structure and those who own and manage it.

So, if my thinking is somewhat on target, then Biden is certain to win in 2020. The “Trump mission” has been accomplished and so what more can be gained with another 4 years? The explosion is already set. Add in the election fraud via “mail in voting” it makes more sense for Biden to win so that the polarized “other side” will have a tangible target to “go ballistic” about. But that is just one thing on the list and the list is miles long (from both sides, from each side’s point of view).

Unfortunately, unless you are a subscriber, you can’t hear what Dr. Farrell says next as to his opinion of the function of Q.

The “Q movement” has driven expectations that we are going to “see things” like, justice for Trump, justice for general Flynn, et al. Also, there will be major actions taken against the pedophilia networks that are depicted as “embedded in the deep state [with the democratic party operators as the primary partakers and protectors though “deep state” extends across the political spectrum].

With Trump depicted as the symbol of the archetype, the savior and with Trump’s political move to appear supportive of the evangelicals as well as the orthodox Jewish faction associated with an “end of the world” apocalyptic scenario, you can see how the Q movement has used the meme of “ordained by God” (implying Trump as their savior incarnate).

And so back to the point Dr. Farrell makes… by driving expectations and, a little victory here or there propped up as proof (along with the other Q proofs, especially Q+ proofs), this essentially pacifies a significant segment of the otherwise radical right into a “Trust the Plan” mode. Obviously, with exactly four months to go until election, even if Durham comes out with “earth shattering” indictments, not a single case will be prosecuted to a conclusion much less a conviction unless Trump is re-elected, and even still… would have to obtain convictions in a jurisdiction that is deep red to have any shot of actually occurring.

I will have far more to say with regards to the Epstein “case” which has apparently moved into its next phase of damage control. Maxwell has only one choice – protect everyone else staring with Prince Andrew. Protect the black mail operations. They can’t kill her, but if she, in any way, opens her mouth in the wrong way, that information will never get to the public. Will they kill her? I would think not. That would be “too fishy.” But, as I will post about shortly… she either realizes, or will soon “understand clearly,” that the Epstein operation (of which sex with the underage and blackmail were a secondary benefit) and all operations like it are no longer needed. Stay tuned.

To wrap up my focus on Dr. Farrell and his discussion with Greg Carlwood as it relates to Q, you get an interesting take from one of the comments and I quote it here –

dk910 says:

June 5, 2020 at 5:09 PM

Great to hear Joe’s voice on the current CON-flagration, he always comes across down to Earth & genuine. His copious research has been imperative to my tenuous grasp on the great Hydra.

In the scope of the entire interview, a small but pestering complaint – with regard to the lack of diligence given to the Q phenomenon. Easy enough for me to understand why people of your and Joe’s credentials would discount an idea with the tagline “trust the plan”, but having looked at that info with a staunchly skeptical and impartial view for the past couple of years, I would say that it is not a cul-de-sac for apathy or savior seekers.

While the “outcome” that Q “promises”, would be a delight for all self-thinking, lovers of Humanity… it would not come without “the Heavens falling”. Events and a level of polarized hysteria that would make the past few months look like Romper Room. The manifestation and comprehension of such a scenario is hard work, say nothing for articulating it to Normies, something that would be required on the other side of said outcome.

Same critique for commentary on the topic I’ve heard on your show from other recent guests (Gordon, Chris, Max, all of whom I also greatly enjoy and respect), and again I get it… the idea of the POTUS, even worse, cartoonish Trump, as some messianic figure should motivate skepticism, to say the least. But should the caricature of Trump, as created by the media (and played upon by Trump himself) or a Boomer in a WWG1WGA tee-shirt holding a “Trust the Plan” sign be enough to shut down interpreting, researching, analyzing what is posted by Q, and how those posts pertain to current events and evolving circumstances?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the only entire show I’ve heard you dedicate to the topic was Jordan Sather a couple years ago. Though seemingly well intentioned and a handsome face for his videos, I find him lacking in competency, a poor analyst of & representative for the subject. An honest day in court on the 8kun research page is enough to see that there is a kaleidoscope of contribution to the Q research community, from rah-rah cheerleaders, to rampaging racists, to unhinged shills, vicious trolls, the salt of the Earth, and some seriously good commentary.

As for “The Plan”, I don’t “trust” it. I don’t even “trust” myself half the time. But I understand marketing, propaganda and mass appeal as part of strategy. I comprehend Sun Tzu and have had plenty of schooling in Psy Ops (haven’t we all), and see public maneuvering aligning with the posts and the (competent) analysis of those posts… brought seemingly full circle by the events of 2020 to date. Might I recommend Neon Revolt for an interview… would love to hear your thoughts on his work, seems right up your alley.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/

Plan or not, God help all of us who have retained Humanity in our heart through the reign of this anti-human Hydra in the months that lie ahead.

Love what you’re doing man, keep it up, look forward to your commentary and guests as things proceed.”

One could also argue that the Q movement is simply to convince everyone involved in following it that white hats exist and are fighting for you and the constitution. This of course includes Trump. But suppose for a minute that it's more like this. Trump is a pedo also and Barr knows it, and probably is also. So the real question then becomes what was U.S. Attorney Geofrey Berman protecting Maxwell from?! From being arrested or found? Or was it something else? The 'Hit Man' Barr who visited Epstein and right after Epstein dies? Is that maybe what he was so insistent about protecting her from, from Barr killing her to clean up Trump's ties to Epstein and Maxwell? The list is edited and Trump, Hillary, and Woody Harrelson are all missing from it even though it's well known they were there also. And on that note what if, I know it's a big if, but what if Trump is one of the names revealed by Maxwell?

Also Maxwell is extremely wealthy even more so than Trump! Suppose she were to offer Barr a "Golden Parachute" so large his feet would never touch the ground? I mean she stands to lose it but if she makes deal this entire thing could turn 180 on Trump over a conversation in jail!

[kfm27917]

http://pharos.stiftelsen-pharos.org/who-is-q/#more-2581

too long to post
read website

[gord]

Excellent, Chester! I did listen to the segment you suggested. Everything about the US has been such a tangled web of crap for so long, I'm just going to quote the very tail end of it and leave it at that:

[53:32]

Sadly, we're in a postion where you have to assume that you're being lied to. It's time for Americans to wake up. You're living in kind of a watered down version of the Soviet Union, where the only sources of the news are TASS and Pravda, and the Russians learned how to read between the lines. Well, we're going to have to do the same thing. We're going to have assume we're being lied to, and go out and do our own research.

[Chester]

Excellent, Chester! I did listen to the segment you suggested. Everything about the US has been such a tangled web of crap for so long, I'm just going to quote the very tail end of it and leave it at that:

[53:32]

Sadly, we're in a postion where you have to assume that you're being lied to. It's time for Americans to wake up. You're living in kind of a watered down version of the Soviet Union, where the only sources of the news are TASS and Pravda, and the Russians learned how to read between the lines. Well, we're going to have to do the same thing. We're going to have assume we're being lied to, and go out and do our own research.

Yes, thanks. What is interesting about the Q posts is that over and over and over - the exact same thing that was stated in the last line of your quote is what Q has emphasized. So whatever kind of OP it might be, for the OP to highlight the importance each one of us does our own research, uses our own capacity for critical thinking... is interesting. If an OP is meant to manage perception, how can the perceptions it might wish to create be benefited by over and over and over, reminding people that each individual must understand their own personal responsibility with regards to what they end up accepting as truth.

And the only thing that makes sense to me is that in a case such as this, the perception being driven coincides with the truth... or at least, what the Q source believes is true.

Think about that. What if Q is actually a real person that believes the information he has access to. How does Q know if that information is being controlled (or not) by one or more forces?

Could Q be an honest broker but that he/she is actually being manipulated by forces unknown and undetectable to him/her?

I think a lot of our questions will begin to get answered in exactly 4 months.

[Chester]

http://pharos.stiftelsen-pharos.org/who-is-q/#more-2581

too long to post
read website

Yes, this article appears no less extreme (in the other direction) from so much of what has arisen from Q and is what I call - "the greater Q phenomenon" that has generated a Q swamp.

Separating the Q posts from all the rest is the key to avoiding the Q swamp (which is quite huge in its own right when considered alongside the Washington D.C. swamp).

So, as is human nature (and the OP masters are great at inciting human nature's worst reactions) something has also arisen which is the anti-Q swamp. The article posted feels like it came from that anti-Q swamp.

By having two swamp monsters arise to fight it out is both helpful (though likely only to a few) and harmful (to the swarms of the vulnerable who seek relief from the senseless direction of this senseless world - senseless to those who have incomplete information I might emphasize).

For me, the only way to study Q (as a phenomena) is to avoid both swamps completely and instead, only focus on Q's posts and the facts as I am able to obtain them and when not, my best discernment as to what may be true/not true... always taking full responsibility for anything I might "onboard."

I can say that as of now, by employing this approach, I have come to see a few things (underlying tenets) that give me pause. I am not willing to point these out but I can say they involve paradigms I don't engage with. I would do so, but I just don't have the confidence in my ability to write the right words at this time.

[Chester]

One could also argue that the Q movement is simply to convince everyone involved in following it that white hats exist and are fighting for you and the constitution. This of course includes Trump. But suppose for a minute that it's more like this. Trump is a pedo also and Barr knows it, and probably is also. So the real question then becomes what was U.S. Attorney Geofrey Berman protecting Maxwell from?! From being arrested or found? Or was it something else? The 'Hit Man' Barr who visited Epstein and right after Epstein dies? Is that maybe what he was so insistent about protecting her from, from Barr killing her to clean up Trump's ties to Epstein and Maxwell? The list is edited and Trump, Hillary, and Woody Harrelson are all missing from it even though it's well known they were there also. And on that note what if, I know it's a big if, but what if Trump is one of the names revealed by Maxwell?

Also Maxwell is extremely wealthy even more so than Trump! Suppose she were to offer Barr a "Golden Parachute" so large his feet would never touch the ground? I mean she stands to lose it but if she makes deal this entire thing could turn 180 on Trump over a conversation in jail!

One could argue almost anything if one wanted to spend their time so doing. One could argue thousands, tens of thousands of plot twists here and there and speculate on all sorts of 'what ifs' and 'if this then that's. One can get lost in all that and the thread then goes nowhere.

[Chester]

Sometimes answers come after a good night sleep.

I finally got mine. Some of ya'll know about the "Flat Earth" movement. I recently found myself a part of a YouTube Live event where interestingly a particular participant began to dominate the the event and soon within the midst of their soliloquies up popped their affinity to the Flat Earth idea. For me, I have solidly concluded that to even entertain (such an idea) suggests the one who is considering "such" to have significant issues with discernment to the degree I eliminate their input from my attention field.

But, I don't need a hoax designation to a.) avoid discussions about Flat Earth or b.) avoid the one's who gravitate to idea the Earth is really flat.

And then there are other subjects that seem to have a similar property as "the Flat Earth" thing and that is - the attraction property.

The whole Qanon thing has that property and clearly, in quite a huge way. In fact, it is quite easy to see that under the umbrella of "Qanon" all sorts of other "fringe subjects" have begun to accumulate as if they are related. In fact, Q and "anon" could actually be seen as two separate elements. In this thread, my goal from the beginning is to focus all and only on Q. Note I previously pointed out that my only source of information related to Q comes all and only from Q's posts (which are compiled in this Q map (https://qmap.pub/)).

And so going back to my primary point - how should one deal with potential hoaxes.

I came to this forum this morning to look at this thread and see if there might be further responses since my last post. To get here I chose New Posts and there on the list near the top was - [HOAX] True Earth, Nesara/Gesara How it works - explained with Jack Kidd & Charlie Ward (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111361-HOAX-True-Earth-Nesara-Gesara-How-it-works-explained-with-Jack-Kidd-Charlie-Ward)

Seeing the thread title preceded by the word [HOAX] in all caps and with brackets - denoting it was added by this sites management staff - inspired me to write this post and here's why. Prior to making the decision I would only consider Q material based upon actual posts made by Q, I recall some of the Q swamp attaching Nesara (Gesara?) to Q. And since the Qpub has a search feature, I plugged in the term Nesara - zilch. I plugged in Gesara and - zilch.

There is zero tie in from a Q post to this hoax. None, nada, zilch.

And so to illustrate what I refer to as "the Q swamp" I do a quick search with the two words Qanan and Nesara and BAM up comes a perfect example of someone I would place in the Q swamp - QAnon Anonymous.

Premium Episode 46: NESARA & the Dove of Oneness... found at this link here (Premium Episode 46: NESARA & the Dove of Oneness...)

He's got the music and all... a pseudo-professionally put together podcast.

And so now consider the various "anti-Q swamp" elements that jump all over the connection between Q and Nesara as 'smoking gun' evidence Q is a hoax. I immediately found one of those keyboard warriors -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Political-Organization/Revealing-The-Q-Anon-Scam-Protecting-The-Republican-Image-100251934868201/

Near the top of their Facebook page is - "The Q bots are now openly admitting that NESARA is indeed their own hoax & scam as I've said all along." That's an interesting statement as I recall coming upon the NESARA "thing" over a decade ago but I digress. The idea Q created NESARA is obviously falsifiable. Thus the source of this Facebook page can be placed with confidence in the "anti-Q swamp."

The whole point I am making is - There's three elements at play here -

Q (and I emphasize Q without "anon" this not Qanon

the Q swamp

the anti-Q swamp

Without separating Q from the Q swamp, you can't analyze Q.

Without understanding the Q swamp / anti-Q swamp dynamic, you cannot analyze Q.

If you find yourself gravitating, either intellectually and/or (and most importantly) emotionally to either the Q swamp or the anti-Q swamp, you are exposing yourself to the very vulnerability "they" might so dearly want you to fall prey to.

Think about that.

This leads me to the next section of this post. This morning I was exploring the Alcheringa "story." It is not a HOAX because the individual who presented the information is 100% honest as to how she acquired the information (through receipt of telesticly transmitted information emanating from an ancient carved stone attributed to the Australian Aboriginals). Additionally, the Alcheringa story has not yet generated a swamp (or swamp / anti swamp) of any sizable proportion. But it has attracted the attention of a researcher into the migratory history of mankind who has begun to question the "accepted/settled theory" with regards to current "settled theory", specifically to The Clovis Theory, though his questioning spans the entire "settled theory." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture)

His work has been discussed and now, featured, via Skeptiko. His name is Bruce Fenton and his research partner is his wife who also has her own related publications, her name being Daniella Fenton. The most recent publication is co-authored by both along with Erich von Daniken - the book is entitled -

Exogenesis: Hybrid Humans: A Scientific History of Extraterrestrial Genetic Manipulation (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XJ8R82Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0)

I found a post on the Skeptiko forum that explored the information Bruce presented in an interview he did last year (October 2019) with Alex Tsakiris of Skeptiko. In that post (http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/bruce-fenton-a-better-human-origin-story-429.4419/page-2#post-134380) readers are able to experience some seriously complex analysis... but that is not what I am choosing to highlight.

Very early on in the post I came upon a word (used in a two word phrase) of which I didn't know the meaning.

Heteroduction point

The phrase was used in the following -

I→ Inductive Predicate - Original (not First) Americans resemble Aboriginal Australians of 20 - 40,000 ya​
∧ Heteroduction point - Conservatism and dishonesty favoring the Clovis paradigm, holds too much power​
∧ Heteroduction point - Field is over-dominated by Europeans and their North American allies (The Royal 'We')​

I jumped on Google (I use Google so as to see what "they" want us "to think") and interestingly (perhaps miraculously), I believe I got an honest return - https://theethicalskeptic.com/tag/heteroduction/

The return (after a Google attempt to "correct" what I had asked) provided at the very top of the list a link to a blog that I discovered was written by the very individual who wrote the post! Seeing no dictionary links, I now assume this individual has created the word. And because in the Skeptiko post, the poster's use of the word helps provide context to its meaning, I had an idea. But best of all, his blog post is based on this very word -

Heteroduction – When Classic Inference Proves Unsound
https://theethicalskeptic.com/tag/heteroduction/

It is an excellent blog post which, if read with an open mind, could... understand I am not saying "should" but could lead one to a better understanding of how critically important our ability to research, investigate, explore, etc. is to our understanding of our reality at every level and in every detail of its manifestation.

If we are blocked from this via an exertion of power by a force that is dominated by a single view, then potential progress in achieving a greater truth is stymied.

Recently, I left another forum permanently because an example of such a force grew so great that the forum was entirely dominated by such a force. This always results in authoritarianism and a form of tyranny. In this particular case, some among this force used (and IMO from a human perspective abused) positions of authority (and the power that accompanied its authority)) to such a degree that resembles as a perfect metaphor to that which is pointed out in The Ethical Skeptical's post on Skeptiko -

"[the] Field is over-dominated by Europeans and their North American allies (The Royal 'We')​" - and by "Field" he is referring to - archaeologists, anthropologists, biologists, geneticists, geographers, environmental scientists, and zoologists who are striving to work together to figure out exactly what might be the truth of human evolution and the truth about human historical migration.

The Royal We is an obstacle to truth. The Royal We uses many tactics to protect that which they wish be accepted by all as "settled truth." They have created all types of barriers to anyone who threatens their truth so that they can continue to protect that truth which, in turn, they just as enthusiastically project throughout upon us all of the entire world.

Swamps function no differently than a "Royal We" varying only in the degree to which they allow themselves to be known. Sometimes, when an "upstart" arises that opposes the swamp, it runs the risk of becoming a swamp itself - an anti-swamp... and this makes getting to the truth even harder still. Eventually (though not always, but almost always) one of the two swamps ends up dominating a particular domain. One of the primary tools of domination in today's world is via media platforms and especially social media platforms. Once that domination achieves a critical mass, the media platform suffers with regards to the "level of conversation."

The human element seems to be the key here. Well... the human element as it exists today in all but a few extremely rare exceptions. Let's call this, "the worst of us."

Now, factor in the various media platforms, social exchange platforms, shared communications platforms, and such... isn't it clear that if these platforms "regulate" the dialog, this gives rise to exposure from the subjective derived underlying motivations (whether known consciously to the individual or not) where eventually, factions might emerge? And does this not, eventually, lead to the likelihood that one faction becomes dominant or that a schism occurs of such great magnitude, the platform implodes?

Back to Q

It is my opinion that Q - the individual and/or group that posts at 8kun today is an OP. Before anyone reacts to what I just stated, understand, "an op" does not have to be created and managed by some nefarious "they." In fact, I would say that when I create a specific thread, I have a few goals in mind... sometimes the goal is simply to explore something by engaging others to share their thoughts, views and opinions. But sometimes I have created a thread because I feel motivated to shift thoughts, views and opinions. An example is my threads featuring classical idealism vs materialism. I could see my threads as an "OP" and that my goal is to shift more and more people towards an open mindedness that consciousness may be fundamental.

If someone created a thread that was focused upon "why" Chester was promoting idealism, I would look upon such as a.) their right to do regardless their own opinions might oppose mine b.) the opportunity for additional discussion on the possibility that consciousness is fundamental and c.) that we might accelerate reaching a potential solution that resolves the question.

Q

Q is (for me) an OP. Q has a motivation and likely many goals.

The questions I would love to explore is -

Is Q an individual or a group? Clearly there has to be a password involved in Q's ability to make posts on 8kun. So the question is, is one person only making these posts or does more than one person have the password?

Another question I have is, whether Q is an individual or a group, are posts made under the user name "Q" on 8kun only posted after being "cleared" by the Q individual or a group that might have some way of approving posts for publication.

The third question I have is, is Q a grassroots phenomena or is there a "force" or "faction" behind Q that is either "they" or an "anti-they" faction hoping to overtake the position of power held by "the they."

The questions start to form a dependency on the answer to a previous question and form what could look like a flow chart.

If Question Three's answer is "a grassroots phenomena" then we have a great deal more to unpack with that foundation as intrinsic to how we explore Q. I will stop here for now with regards to this branch of the flow chart.

If Question Three's answer is "they" then that pretty much isolates the "who" questions. After pinning down the possibilities of who might "they" be, we can draw new branches of the flow chart. For each "they" we could begin to explore the possible "goals" of such which assist in revealing the "whys."

The importance of the answer "they" takes the exploration far above so many of the sub-paradigms where so much of the Q wars rage. This is a critically important possibility I believe we could benefit from discussing (if possible here). I will stop here for now with regards to this branch of the flow chart.

If Question Three is an "anti-they" then the "who" questions as to "they," "anti-they," any other "non-participatory they" (meaning a faction) and then the rest of us (outsiders) might be on the 'gameboard' of this "sub-game" within the Grand Game upon which I chose to believe we are all participating... that key question is no longer focused on far above the sub-paradigms (though the far above factor is always a potential too and should not be discounted), but takes the discussion to within these sub-paradigms. Is the difference clear?

What a fascinating thing to explore!

Wouldn't it be nice if it could be done.

And here's where I end this post -

They key ingredient required to have such a discussion is that we set all "charge" aside.

Could that be done?

That is an open question.

[Jayke]

If Question Three's answer is "a grassroots phenomena" then we have a great deal more to unpack with that foundation as intrinsic to how we explore Q. I will stop here for now with regards to this branch of the flow chart.

If Question Three's answer is "they" then that pretty much isoltaes the "who" questions. After pinning down the possibilities of who might "they" be, we can draw new branches of the flow chart. For each "they" we could begin to explore the possible "goals" of such which assist in revealing the "whys."

The importance of the answer "they" takes the exploration far above so many of the sub-paradigms where so much of the Q wars rage. This is a critically important possibility I believe we could benefit from discussing (if possible here). I will stop here for now with regards to this branch of the flow chart.

If Question Three is an "anti-they" then the "who" questions as to "they," "anti-they," any other "non-participatory they" (meaning a faction) and then the rest of us (outsiders) might be on the 'gameboard' of this "sub-game" within the Grand Game upon which I chose to believe we are all participating... that key question is no longer focused on far above the sub-paradigms (though the far above factor is always a potential too and should not be discounted), but takes the discussion to within these sub-paradigms. Is the difference clear?

What a fascinating thing to explore!

Wouldn't it be nice if it could be done.

And here's where I end this post -

They key ingredient required to have such a discussion is that we set all "charge" aside.

Could that be done?

That is an open question.

I did quite a long analysis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250235&viewfull=1#post1250235) of who the other ‘they’ might be in this deep state faction wars back when this whole thing started. I still stand by that analysis, haven’t seen anything that would make me deviate from those conclusions yet. Although, there’s plenty I could add to it over that time. The game is still on.

[Chester]

Thanks Jayke, I will explore this post carefully. I love to see folks put real thought (and other forms of deep information gathering), especially when their heart is in the lead. This will take a day or so as I need to dive back into DJ's X series. Thank you for the heads up. Your original post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250235&viewfull=1#post1250235) came at a time I was not involved with PA as I was consumed by an Earthly mundane project.

[EDIT ADDED] I believe it was you, Jayke, that led me to a quite interesting book entitled, "What is Enlightenment" and in that book is a chapter entitled, Superpowers and Psychic Abilities Do Not Indicate Enlightenment. If ever a book were meant for me... if ever a section of a book were meant for me - this was it. That book and that chapter generated a significant course shift where I no longer placed "my siddhas" at the center of my experience.

By moving them to the side, a new path emerged that landed me at the Appendix (page 501) - the real fun has finally begun. So again, Jayke, thanks.

[norman]

. . . as I need to dive back into DJ's X series. Thank you for the heads up.





Some times answers come after what?

I've listened intensly to Daniel's X series. The message I get loud and very clear is that the so called mystery schools are playing us with manipulative fragments of information they may know all of or parts of. I very much suspect it's only parts of.

If we don't get back in touch with the heart of real knowledge, we are getting screwed by magicians, dodgy dark magicians, who still practice advantage and control.

What kind of magic is that?

[Chester]

Some times answers come after what?


I don't connect your question to my post, apologies... maybe you can clarify?

Understand, I wish to respond to Jayke's post and to do so in a way I feel is proper, I would need to view the three hour DJ video as it is part of the context. I see that it is DJ's X Series which I never explored in any depth and so, if what I experience by watching X Series XXVII compels me to seek greater context, that might entail a deeper dive into the whole series.


Yet none of that is seeking any answers (for myself).. it is more about exploration. In addition, it is about honoring Jayke's significantly detailed post which included a reach back to that specific X Series video.

[norman]

Connect or not.

[Jayke]

I believe it was you, Jayke, that led me to a quite interesting book entitled, "What is Enlightenment" and in that book is a chapter entitled, Superpowers and Psychic Abilities Do Not Indicate Enlightenment. If ever a book were meant for me... if ever a section of a book were meant for me - this was it. That book and that chapter generated a significant course shift where I no longer placed "my siddhas" at the center of my experience.

By moving them to the side, a new path emerged that landed me at the Appendix (page 501) - the real fun has finally begun. So again, Jayke, thanks.

Page 501, the Sutra that outlines the Skandha system. :heart::flower:

When I first read about the skandha system (in one of Bodri’s other books) it had a similar, life altering impact. So much so that I’ve spent the past 10 years dedicated to unraveling the neuroscience and physics behind it all. I wrote 2 books that I didn’t particularly want to write just as a foundation to be able to write a book about the skandhas in a more scientific and contextual way. It’s definitely been a game changer for me. The most important system I’ve encountered on my travels at least.:happythumbsup:

[Chester]

I did quite a long analysis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250235&viewfull=1#post1250235) of who the other ‘they’ might be in this deep state faction wars back when this whole thing started. I still stand by that analysis, haven’t seen anything that would make me deviate from those conclusions yet. Although, there’s plenty I could add to it over that time. The game is still on.

No praise that I possibly communicate in words would properly represent my appreciation for your brilliant analysis, Jayke.

I became aware of Spiral Dynamics in the mid-2000s through Ken Wilber's work (as Ken relied heavily on Spiral Dynamics as an essential component within his "Theory of Everything" models (Wilber 1, Wilber 2, etc.).

Your conclusion makes perfect sense, the winged-lion group is striving to achieve a total lock down of the masses to be permanently imprisoned within the Blue/Orange/Green pre-integral triumvirate. They will elevate Red anchored individuals to guard both directions so as to ensure none slip back through and (re)discover Purple which they are striving to relegate to fairy tale status ala Disney, et al.

Red - (P) "Egocentric: asserting self for dominance, conquest and power. Exploitive; egocentric." from here (http://www.spiral-dynamics.com/aboutsd_overview.htm)

Folks and the groups they form or take over (like a social media platform) are (IMO) anchored heavily in Red and are the easiest to spot... but I digress.

Meanwhile, the winged-lion plan to (if they achieve dominance) parasite off of their captives for as long as they can (and they believe they can forever - I don't). The underdeveloped (though, in some cases well meaning) "gate keepers" remind me of who were referred to in the phrase, "forgive them for they know not what they do." I always had a problem with the word, "forgive," and only a few years ago did I discover that problem. Forgiveness requires judgment first (or there would be nothing to forgive). Understanding removes the dynamic of the "judgment/forgiveness cycle" from one's set of operational protocols. The void is filled with an ability to assess and charge is avoided.

Its my opinion that this is a replacement of a 4/5/6 type dynamic with a 7/8/9 dynamic. If enough, a critical mass, is established well enough in Yellow/Turquoise/Coral (7,8,9)... perhaps the next system could emerge (starting within our imagination) and in fact, that is my personal primary focus now... The 7/8/9 and 10, 10 being the counterbalance to the individuals who have anchored themselves in that Red (3) position - gatekeepers at the other end.

One final comment - I used the terms "Q swamp and anti-Q swamp."

The Q swamp are the vulnerables you so aptly described in your levels 4, 5 and 6 and provide all the data points scooped up by the anti-Q swamp (shadow 4, 5 and 6 and I add in the extreme RED level 3 types, enforcers, gatekeepers)... data points used in their attempt to quell the true Q rising tide of Level 7 "the Q-aficionados, the Anons, the deep researchers" which, as a handicapper, will eventually prevail as 'Life Force' always defeats 'anti-life force' in the eternal dance of the two.

As venues arose over the last few decades, where explorations of all things interesting led the way, we are at the point where the lock downs of free thought / free expression become the "go to" tactic.

Your post pointed out something I had never come upon within the dynamic of "service to self vs service to others" - that being that there was something I was missing when I found myself repelled by the idea I had to assess myself, my actions within that framework.

"Service to Source"

Thank you, Jayke.

[Mike Gorman]

The Q thing has definitely had a significant impact, I always gained the impression it was like a crash course in media analysis and critical thinking 101 for the ubiquitous 'Normies' who were swept up with the Trump movement, I must admit to having only a superficial glimpse into this so far, but I also gain a 'gut level' sense that it is essentially good, the Q Swamp is of course a big mix of heterogeneous types. I must look closer!

[Chester]

It has now been 8 days since a Q drop has occurred. I have seen this lull before, but this particular is standing out to me and here's why.

It is one thing... one minor little thing which is also, for so many Q followers, a huge thing... maybe THE huge thing.

Durham, under pressure to wrap up investigation, could 'punt' to after Election Day: source (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-under-pressure-to-wrap-up-investigation-could-punt-to-after-election-day-source?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13127)

Now - Add into the mix this article -

Forced Vaccination Plan Unveiled (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/no_author/forced-vaccination-plan-unveiled/)
By Bill Sardi
July 10, 2020

Considering "the election of the century" is less than 4 months away, has anyone considered the timing of the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell as to how this could impact the outcome of the election? Think about it... which "executive branch" team would you (if you were one of the participants in the "Epstein/Maxwell" "satanic" sub-cabal) want to take power? You know in 4 months, nothing will happen with Maxwell - "The wheels of justice turn slowly" (for a reason, eh? So everything can be damage controlled?)

Maxwell's arrest pushes these "exposed elements" through their desperation to ensure the election goes the way of "Biden, Inc." Combined with all the other measures we are witnessing (coordinated riots, coordinate censorship, coordinated dehumanization via a likely engineered pandemic), and an economy returning to its former crawl, I see a complete sweep - the Executive branch (Biden, Inc.), the Senate (and the end of the filibusterer), a fully emboldened House which will pack the courts and end forever the United States as we have known (which had become a United States of the cabal long, long ago anyways) but which will become transformed into the Orwellian/Brave New World order and will lead the world into that final abyss of disconnection to soul, our last human property - say hello to the transhuman.

Regardless who wins (though it appears a forgone conclusion), as clearly demonstrated by the last four years and ever so highlighted by a completely capitulating Trump ever since his impeachment, the actual controllers are fully in charge. They always have been. And perhaps Biden just makes things easier going forward. In fact, I now entertain the theory that Trump was put in place all and only to increase the rate of time needed for full implementation of the grand goals of a fully chipped, AI dominated human society - final, total and complete enslavement of the physical human race. It was easy to handicap he would further polarize the entire planet and most importantly, North America and the US.

I am ashamed at myself... I, for awhile, believed it could have been otherwise.

I have now returned to what I have known and understood since 2003 when I read The Biggest Secret - David Icke.

[Jayke]

It’s always darkest before the dawn!

The times we’re going through now remind me of Ludovico Einaudis ‘Petricor’. There’s a lull in the music at 3:56 mins, followed by a minute of ominous tones, before a sublime resurgence. I view that 1 minute lull as metaphorical for this global lockdown that’s been imposed on everyone. We’re only allowed to hear certain tones, everything else is silenced. But the divine spirit can’t be suppressed forever — and as soon as the sun shows its first glimpse of sunrise — everything takes flight!

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In the book by Henry Corbyn - ‘Cyclical Time and Ismaili Gnosis’, they talk about the battle of Ahriman and Ahura Mazda. Darkness vs Light. Just when it appears that darkness is ready to consume everyone and everything, at the very last moment when all seems lost...Ahura Mazda starts to shine, truth and justice eventually prevail. It’s the key turning point in every movie that ever followed the ‘heroes journey’ pattern.

What was the purpose of the darkness? In Henry Corbyns book, Ahriman is considered a cyclical function of Gods will, which causes entropy and decay but ultimately leads to a ‘Restoration of Virtue‘.

Most people view polarisation as a negative thing. I personally just view it as notes played on a piano. Some people press the low sounding ominous tones, while others press the high and happy keys. Another Ludovico track I think is metaphorical of the times we’re in is “Logos”. The first 4 minutes are on the low and ominous side, followed by a minute of light and happy, but the most majestic part of the track is the last minute where the low ominous tones and high happy notes are both simultaneously unleashed with full ferocity. Enthralling! Pure magic!

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From what I’m seeing, ‘Biden Inc‘ doesn’t stand a chance in November. Virtue will be restored (if only slightly). Another Trump presidency will hardly produce anything remotely like another golden age. There’ll still be plenty of corruption for the activists to be up in arms about, but the crescendo will have reached its peak and things will start to settle into a more productive rhythm. “God Wins“ as Q likes to say, and Bill Gates and his cronies will be bitterly disappointed that God laughed at their plans.

[Chester]

[Moved to here from a post made 2020-07-31 on a different Q thread. Reason for the move - it is more appropriate here.]

Meanwhile... what reveals the "never spoken about" actuality (and thus, what is pointing directly at "the true shot caller")... here's DJ's 56:26 minutes of "get a clue" folks - (hint... all this political theater, which includes the alternative community's desire there be "savior phantoms" is all nothing but distraction... and... further "steering")

Anyone figured out yet that something like a Q op, when the technology is there to manage in any way they want, every single living human being... might just be meant to thicken the profiling file "they" hold for each of us?

1S8G_mep6ME

[Bluegreen]

Help me understand...

Is this thread meant to be a "pro Q only" thread?

... best made on a different thread?

This is a very important question, I hope some of ya'll will weigh in.

Hi Chester

If I am understanding and were I to answer your question, I would revisit the inter-forum turmoil of the past. Instead, I will revisit a particular past about Q, and hope it worthwhile to the total picture.

To me, the first 45 days were poetry, after that just a news source, although probably the most valuable at any given time, a status it maintains. The "sources" of the NYT and Q are, in an odd way, the same.

You've got your anti-Trump CNN and anti-Trump NYT and whatever. OK, I'll listen to what you have to say. You've got your pro-Trump FOX and pro-Trump Q and whatever. OK, I'll listen to what you have to say. Then you've got your history books written by the victors and your biographies written by the fixers. OK.

The only thing I will accept is military documents and government documents, in that order so, by definition, I will reject everything else. And go from there.

But I'll take all the extras I can get.

:)

[Jayke]

[Moved to here from a post made 2020-07-31 on a different Q thread. Reason for the move - it is more appropriate here.]

Meanwhile... what reveals the "never spoken about" actuality (and thus, what is pointing directly at "the true shot caller")... here's DJ's 56:26 minutes of "get a clue" folks - (hint... all this political theater, which includes the alternative community's desire there be "savior phantoms" is all nothing but distraction... and... further "steering")

Anyone figured out yet that something like a Q op, when the technology is there to manage in any way they want, every single living human being... might just be meant to thicken the profiling file "they" hold for each of us?

1S8G_mep6ME

We gamed out the Q as ‘social engineering tool’ when we thought Q might have been an A.I. developed by DARPA and CERN as hinted at in the CERN tarot.


http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/HEXEN_2_TAROT.html


http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/TAROT_Temp-Arpanet.jpg

http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/TAROT_Strength-NetwRevs.jpg

http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/TAROT_Tower-NSATIA.jpg

http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/TAROT_Star-Quantum.jpg

http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN2/TAROT_COL/TAROT_Sun-AnarchoP-PLA.jpg

As a profiling tool, the Q movement only really fits with the Clare Graves model of organisational psychology. One of Clare Graves students was Wyatt Woodsmall (https://anlp.org/people/wyatt-woodsmall), who was a behavioural profiling expert that taught NLP (neurolinguistic programming) modelling to the CIA.

John Gittingers PAS (Personality Assessment System) (https://www.pasf.org/gitt.htm) was another favourite CIA profiling system, but that’s used more to find compliant Manchurian candidates that can be installed into positions of power for total ideological control. The Q folk are the ones Gittingers PAS wouldn’t want anywhere near positions of power because Q folk have independent thoughts and questioning minds which means they are harder or more volatile to control.

Another of the more effective profiling systems that made its way into public knowledge is the LAB (Language and Behaviour) System (https://www.successtrategies.com/lab-profile/what-is-lab-profile/). Whereas Clare Graves is about group psychology, this gets down into individual motivation strategies.

Are the Q drops for profiling? I don’t think it’s necessary, the profiling they get from people’s google data and browsing history, spyware apps on phones etc. Would give them infinitely more nuanced information than whether they follow Q or not. But if I wanted to program an A.I. and have that A.I. evolve humanity to higher octaves of consciousness, like a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly, the Q folk are definitely the ‘imaginal cells‘ you’d want to have lead the charge on that.

The Q drops work more on the process of hermeneutics, which was classically a tool used for initiates in various mystery traditions (http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Temple-and-Contemplation-by-Henry-Corbin.pdf), a process of grinding out the chaff to get to the wheat. Ontology, epistemology, axiology and methodology are at the heart of that tradition.

Hermeneutic loop in the ontological process


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324571303_The_Theme_of_Hermeneutics_in_IS--The_Need_for_a_Structured_Literature_Review


https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jan_Kroeze4/publication/324571303/figure/fig1/AS:628278398287872@1526804651141/A-Hermeneutic-Framework-for-the-Literature-Review-Process-Boell-CezecKecmanovic.png


A Hermeneutic Framework for the Literature Review Process (Boell & CezecKecmanovic, 2014:264) Hermeneutics in IS: First Round/Preliminary Overview Since IS may be regarded as an interdisciplinary science, combining elements of the natural and human sciences, and often works with language and text, the concepts of prefiguration and hermeneutics are salient for IS philosophers and theorists. Cole and O'Keefe (2002) support the idea that readers' presuppositions are important in the reading of a text; readers actually contribute to the creation of the meaning of a text. Even within the same context, different individuals can still have divergent understandings of phenomena based on their "established cognitive maps" (Ying, Wang, Jiang, & Klein, 2006:3). Hermeneutics is not limited to interpretation, but also pertains to the generations and transmission of meaning (Heelan, 1998).

Following Q can definitely add to the profiling file they have on each of us, but it wouldn’t tell them much more than they already know based on the websites you visit to gather your news from each morning. At most, being overtly pro-Q just lets twitter (or other websites worried about losing control of the cultural narrative) know who to shadow ban, as was seen on the twitter purge of Q followers recently.

[Chester]

I would consider one step further beyond simply identifying followers of the information. A "Q follower" is just a flag. I would then use profiling methods that evaluate the degree to which the flagged individual was "red pilled." I would also then search my file to see if the individual has exposure to compromise. I would then, depending in the threat level assessment, take measures to mitigate that individual's impact on others.

All done by advanced AI and only requiring human involvement if a certain risk level has been ascertained. In addition, the degree to which human action is involved is determined based on threat level and budget availability. One of more humans are put on task.

Simple harassment can be implemented escalating from there. Covert, avoidance of direct detection, etc. Over time, each subversive threat is ground down bit by bit until their activity is reduced below levels that justify human intervention and/or they are eliminated via physical demise.

At some point, free, independent thinking individuals who also have the strength, discipline and articulation capability get reduced to such a small number, they are left alone as they serve a purpose as well... the constant reselling of "false hope."

Sadly, I can't stop being who/what I am... someone who says (too much) what I think... but when a site like this forum has, for whatever reasons/justifications/necessity, chosen to censor threads involving the Q phenomena in a section called "The 'Q' Material, pros and cons," it is difficult to make odds in favor of a pendulum swing anytime soon. (The microcosm reflecting the macrocosm - as below / so above).

I still appreciate your view, Jayke, of the two factions dating back to antiquity - the Lion and the Serpent groups... I so wish it to be true, also because I believe the reality holds a bias to evolution of consciousness as opposed to devolution of consciousness.

Short term blips (and Kali Yugas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga)) aside.

[Jayke]

Again though, that degree of profiling for “threat level” “to mitigate that individuals impact on others” doesn’t need a Q movement to figure out who those people are. Gittingers PAS System would’ve marked ‘the threats to the system’ before people have finished adolescence. Even babies can be tested for the disruptive personality traits, which is how Gittingers system actually got started. Predictive behaviour from inbuilt neurological personality patterns that don’t deviate too much as people age.

To make odds in favour of a pendulum swing, requires better, more accurate information than the signal that gets amplified by the mockingbird media. Best to track the trends that don’t get much airtime but have much greater relevance on how everything will play out. Dr Steve Turley has one of the best channels in that regard. He‘s been tracking the emergence of the new conservative era since Trump was elected in 2016 and puts out an almost daily video. Humans have a 75% negativity bias (just the way the brain is wired) so the positive signals often get drowned out by the fear porn. But there is much to be hopeful over when tracking the empirical data. The tide is turning.

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Ray Dalio is another good one to follow. He’s working on a book for which he’s been posting articles on his LinkedIn ’the changing world order (https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/)’, which is his own empirical and historical study of how nations rise and fall in patterns of societal development.

The trends are looking up, regardless of how dire everything may seem, consciousness is rising when viewed in the context of the bigger picture.

[Chester]

Again though, that degree of profiling for “threat level” “to mitigate that individuals impact on others” doesn’t need a Q movement to figure out who those people are. Gittingers PAS System would’ve marked ‘the threats to the system’ before people have finished adolescence. Even babies can be tested for the disruptive personality traits, which is how Gittingers system actually got started. Predictive behaviour from inbuilt neurological personality patterns that don’t deviate too much as people age.

To make odds in favour of a pendulum swing, requires better, more accurate information than the signal that gets amplified by the mockingbird media. Best to track the trends that don’t get much airtime but have much greater relevance on how everything will play out. Dr Steve Turley has one of the best channels in that regard. He‘s been tracking the emergence of the new conservative era since Trump was elected in 2016 and puts out an almost daily video. Humans have a 75% negativity bias (just the way the brain is wired) so the positive signals often get drowned out by the fear porn. But there is much to be hopeful over when tracking the empirical data. The tide is turning.

tg3-c6h-5uQ
Ray Dalio is another good one to follow. He’s working on a book for which he’s been posting articles on his LinkedIn ’the changing world order (https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/)’, which is his own empirical and historical study of how nations rise and fall in patterns of societal development.

The trends are looking up, regardless of how dire everything may seem, consciousness is rising when viewed in the context of the bigger picture.

I have a suspicion... along the lines of mountain_jim's first featured quote in his signature - well, I say "suspicion" because even "a hope" can be one if there's some evidence that it could be true, at least on a case by case basis.

That suspicion is that in today's world, a particular individual could experience a profound consciousness shift. My suspicion includes the possibility an individual who may have been "plotted" on the map of Gittingers PAS System (or any other evaluation system for that matter) could disappear from that position and re-emerge in a completely new (and, depending on one's perspective) emerge in a position that poses a threat to one's vision of "how all can be controlled."

Because my suspicion includes the factor that the current rate of acceleration of insanity coupled with a global "state of current condition" - completely covered up (by humans) Earth, may have never been seen on this planet before (unless before a previously occurring apocalypse).

So, I would certainly be looking for threats like this and, considering my own life experience as an example, engage in continued testing.

[Jayke]

I have a suspicion... along the lines of mountain_jim's first featured quote in his signature - well, I say "suspicion" because even "a hope" can be one if there's some evidence that it could be true, at least on a case by case basis.

That suspicion is that in today's world, a particular individual could experience a profound consciousness shift. My suspicion includes the possibility an individual who may have been "plotted" on the map of Gittingers PAS System (or any other evaluation system for that matter) could disappear from that position and re-emerge in a completely new (and, depending on one's perspective) emerge in a position that poses a threat to one's vision of "how all can be controlled."

Because my suspicion includes the factor that the current rate of acceleration of insanity coupled with a global "state of current condition" - completely covered up (by humans) Earth, may have never been seen on this planet before (unless before a previously occurring apocalypse).

So, I would certainly be looking for threats like this and, considering my own life experience as an example, engage in continued testing.

It’s definitely possible. We’re getting into uncharted territory. One concern to be aware of is a study that was mentioned in “Chan Thomas - the story of Adam and Eve” that was brought up on the Q thread a while back.

Off the top of my head without looking it up to confirm the details. He mentioned that global plate shifts occur when the planets magnetic environment weakens to the point that the tectonic plates lose traction with the earths mantle and everything slides around. He mentioned England and Australia would end up on the equator after the next cataclysmic pole shift, which was already a overdue based on his estimates.

Curiously though, he also discussed a study on the effects of magnetic fields on mice. Putting mice in a low magnetic environment caused them to lose their minds and start cannibalising each other. I think he used the term ‘mice criminality increased in low magnetic environments’.

Great book by ‘Frank Joseph - Survivors of Atlantis‘, shows how Atlantis sank over a period of several thousand years, losing more and more of its continent after subsequent natural disasters. Just before the final cataclysm, the Atlanteans embarked on what was basically a world war at the time, a mass invasion of Greece and Egypt. Could the magnetic environment in Atlantis have been weakening for months or years beforehand causing Atlantean criminality to increase?

There’s a really interesting blog I follow. A Catholic Jew Pontificates (http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com), he’s pieced together a completely different timeline and worldview of history based on DNA studies mixed with an incredibly detailed knowledge of tzadikim Hebrew Theology.

He came to the conclusion that changes in DNA and genetic expression often occur most prevalently after cataclysmic disasters. Creating new races and species of humans.

So your suspicions might have some scientific and historical basis to support them.

[Chester]

Is this "The Plan"" or nature taking its course?

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postscript comment: "Please, don't come to Texas."

One of the comments said - "Celebrities leaving Hollywood is like cancer cells moving to other parts of the body."

[Chester]

Here's an interesting view of "where we are at" - Paul Joseph Watson

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Here's the Bitchute link for when Youtube takes down the above -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nvesu6oK4rU/

[Gracy]

Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.

Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:
RpXXUC623ow

Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?

Funny, an old favorite came rolling back through my head while writing this:


I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

I shouted out
Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
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[Jayke]

Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.

Which part specifically did he even try to portray ‘every’ protest as an out of control angry mob? It was more just a highlights reel from a spasticated and demented dying worldview. He has done his due diligence over the years to highlight the spiritual and intellectual bankruptcy of the modernist crowd though, even if I’m not a fan of the bleak outlook he portrays in his latest videos.


Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:
RpXXUC623ow


^^^^
No bueno. The uploader has got viewing switched off for people outside the US. Won’t let me watch it in the UK at least.

[Chester]

Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?


Maybe, then, I'm not human... because I don't want to see either one of what any of these videos point to.

Or maybe there are human exceptions?

Or maybe, there's better ways to achieve solution but too many humans who 'tend to see what they want to see' in the way?

[Chester]

COVID CRASH: Here’s The Incredible Chart The MSM Doesn’t Want You To See (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/covid-crash-incredible-chart-msm-doesnt-want-see/)

The COVID-19 pandemic sure looks like it’s long past it’s peak — and might be over, at least according to a new chart from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Take a look at the chart above, titled “Provisional Death Count For Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19).”

CDC Website with the interactive chart - click here (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q#ExcessDeaths) and scroll up then hover over each week.

[Gracy]

Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.


Which part specifically did he even try to portray ‘every’ protest as an out of control angry mob? It was more just a highlights reel from a spasticated and demented dying worldview.

I was referring to the first 6:30 of the video. If I go by just that, there has not been a peaceful blm (note the small case letters) protest.


Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:

RpXXUC623ow

^^^^
No bueno. The uploader has got viewing switched off for people outside the US. Won’t let me watch it in the UK at least.

Aw that sucks, the video was just basically the flip side of PJW's montage, showing police managing protesters in the worst possible light, without exception.

My point was anyone can create a montage of all worst possible examples of anything, creating the effect that it's ubiquitous.


Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?

Maybe, then, I'm not human... because I don't want to see either one of what any of these videos point to.

Or maybe there are human exceptions?

Or maybe, there's better ways to achieve solution but too many humans who 'tend to see what they want to see' in the way?

Sorry for not being more clear. I didn't mean "want to see", as in I want to see that move; I meant it as I think in general, people tend to gravitate towards information that fits with their world view.

Like on the political and sociological side of this forum for instance, the dominant news sources would be Breitbart, InfoWars, FOX NEWS, and OANN. If these are the places one goes for news and commentary every day, they're guaranteed to find exactly what they're "looking for".

The same would go for those regularly going to outlets like MSNBC, the big network news channels, and most major newspapers. They get exactly what they're "looking for".

[Chester]

We've been played (but most on this forum know this)

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1300857701157744646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1300857701157744646%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftruepundit.com%2Fpaine-weve-all-been-played-what-you-can-do-right-now-to-end-the-national-pandemic-emergency-sham%2F

and...

The Fauci Files (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/01/the-fauci-files.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20200901Z1&mid=DM641334&rid=954389251)

Story at-a-glance

Dr. Anthony Fauci has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, but has yet to come out with the “Big One” — a vaccine or infectious disease treatment that will allow him to retire with a victory under his belt

Fauci has flip-flopped on the use of masks, first mocking people for wearing them, and then insisting they should. In mid-July, he suddenly urged governments to “be as forceful as possible” on mask rules

While Fauci still claims there’s only anecdotal evidence supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine, and that the drug doesn’t work for COVID-19, the scientific support for it goes as far back as 2005

In April, Fauci praised the NIAID-sponsored drug Remdesivir, saying it "has a clear-cut and significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery." Overall, the improvement rate for the drug was 31%

Research now shows hydroxychloroquine reduced mortality by 50% when given early, and many doctors anecdotally claim survival rates close to 100%. Despite such excellent results, Fauci continues to disparage and cast doubt on hydroxychloroquine

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Anyone still on the fence about Q need only look at the narrative of those attempting to denounce it.

In the article mountain_jim posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1375607&viewfull=1#post1375607), they call it far-right. What is that supposed to actually mean though? White-supremacist? Have they done a single second of research? Is there anything in any of the Q-drops that insinuates white supremacy and things of that nature? Fake news! (and slander, and dare I say hate-speech).

The fake news media have largely ignored Q for the better part of three years now. Why? I'd hazard a guess and say Q and Q research was confined to some deep corner of the internet and it didn't much affect them down there. But it's now getting close to home. Q is calling out the media and their lies. Actively and loudly. More and more Q signs are showing up at gatherings and rallies. It's on their doorstep now, and they're in PANIC mode.

So, we get hit-piece after hit-piece after hit-piece.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=44212&d=1599145879

They have no choice but to poison it in the eyes of newcomers and onlookers, those too lazy to do any fact-finding themselves. A quick article, a simple headline, is all it will take for many sheep to make up their minds and move on. After a lifetime of media conditioning and programming that's their default setting.

The JFK assassination was opening night, the grand premiere, for Operation Mocking Bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird). Twist, hide, spin, fabricate, and bury. 50+ years later, the media have become practised experts at writing scripts to program the public consciousness. It's second nature to them. It's their daily bread.

However, because Q is an open-source Think Tank, a sort of back-channel Wikileaks 2.0 disseminating truth to any who have the ear (and stomach) to listen, it intrinsically challenges and jeopardizes the very existence of the media. I suppose none of us should be surprised by their [PANIC].

Secondly, they call Q baseless. I pointed out in a previous post that if you are going to proclaim something as baseless in a mainstream news article, you have to explain why it's baseless. Yet they do not. Calling this sloppy journalism would be to sully the word sloppy! This is equivalent to a child who scored an F in Science 1.01, who doesn't know the difference between oxygen and iron, having the conceit to call Quantum Field Theory 'baseless'.

To effectively debunk something you need to provide counter-evidence, you need to address the core issues. Philip J. Klass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass), absolute stooge though he was, was at pains for many years to slam UFOs. Everything that spewed out of the man was 100% manure of course, but at least he provided a deconstruction, and an alternative point of view. But the media dare not present any substance. That might pique the curiosity of on-the-fencers, and they may go rogue and wander off reservation to find out the truth for themselves. And they can't have that! So they resort merely to trashing it. It's the safest way, and the only way to treat it.

Finally, they round off with the trigger word extremism, citing an example where one mentally ill person, with some knives, suffered an episode. They totally sidestep the real extremism taking place on the streets today, extremism against the very things that Q stands for: truth, values, liberty, and peace.

44213

(if anything, Q is a classic liberal - left-wing - movement)

[Chester]

This is a brilliant post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111388-A-Q-related-information-commentary-discussion-thread&p=1375769&viewfull=1#post1375769), Star Mariner.

I have spent several months doing my own "investigation" of Q. The primary premise, that we do our own research and our own thinking is a standout.

Imagine if schools were reformed where our children were presented with the tools and techniques for thinking for themselves, doing their own research, developing intellectual self-honesty, managing their own ability to practice critical thinking instead of what has happened over the last several generations of indoctrination into post modern "progressive" "faux elite" secular (ie. void of meaning) 'insane-ism.'

[Chester]

The world gets more astonishing day by day...

David Wilcock: Time Travel Secrets Revealed... And Why It Matters Today!

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Wilcock happens to be a "Q believer."

[Chester]

This is the city I was born in, grew up in, moved away from (far away.. out of the US away) returned to live in and where I live today.

This is what I remembered about the folks that lived here.

Some of us still remember how to live... whether here or anywhere - WWG1...

Tz6im6LRmBI

[Gracy]

(if anything, Q is a classic liberal - left-wing - movement)

That's really a stretch there Star. As just a starting point, Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from his loyal base, of which a sizeable chunk is Christian Fundamentalist and such.

There's been very little I've seen here that ever makes me sit back and think "hmmm, these people are really starting to remind me of that good old fashioned classic left wing".

No, this is most certainly a right wing movement. Up to now individuals have done well to separate themselves from the overall political underpinnings, and that they can support this that and the other part of it without being "right wing" or "republican" themselves, but to now try and classify the whole thing as classing liberal left, which is generally associated with America's founders and principles?

I'm sorry but that dog just don't hunt.

[Chester]

(if anything, Q is a classic liberal - left-wing - movement)

That's really a stretch there Star. As just a starting point, Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from his loyal base, of which a sizeable chunk is Christian Fundamentalist and such.

There's been very little I've seen here that ever makes me sit back and think "hmmm, these people are really starting to remind me of that good old fashioned classic left wing".

No, this is most certainly a right wing movement. Up to now individuals have done well to separate themselves from the overall political underpinnings, and that they can support this that and the other part of it without being "right wing" or "republican" themselves, but to now try and classify the whole thing as classing liberal left, which is generally associated with America's founders and principles?

I'm sorry but that dog just don't hunt.

The good ole classic left wing was massively anti-establishment. So is Q.

The good ole left wing used to defend free speech, now they police speech.

The good ole left wing was anti-war. Now it is a front for the war profiteer machine known is the military, industrial and congressional complex.

And those are just three easy ones off the top of my head. Too bad you have the thread censored because if you didn't, you might attract a few more members who would be helpful in adding more items to my quick list.

[Chester]

Another one to add to the list - the classic left used to be anti-fascist. Now, they co-opt the term to give them cover and to supplement their Orwellian double-speak... all so they can implement measures used by fascists of the past -

https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1310136205632303106

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks Chester. I've got nothing to add. I've debated this matter as much I want to for the present time. I'm out of energy to come up with new ways of making the same argument. Enough.

It's up to everyone to think what they want to think, and decide what they want to decide.

[Gracy]

Thanks Chester. I've got nothing to add. I've debated this matter as much I want to for the present time. I'm out of energy to come up with new ways of making the same argument. Enough.

It's up to everyone to think what they want to think, and decide what they want to decide.

Geez Star, it's not like I'm hounding you to the four corners of the Earth asking for clarification on the same exact matter over, and over, and over again. If you'll recall I even bowed out of the great debate because politically speaking, this forum bleeds MAGA red without pause or question, so why bother any more?

But then to see an obviously Right Wing conservative movement (which is IMO neither good nor bad it just is) now being labeled as classic liberal, I felt someone needed to at least step in and point out that this cannot possibly be so. It should be obvious on the face of it, maybe someone else can explain to me why my reasoning is so flawed on that:


Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from the republicans and his loyal base, the latter of which is predominantly comprised of conservatives and Christian fundamentalists. How on earth is this classic liberalism?

I don't know why the ultra rare dissenting opinion in the Trump echo chamber is seen as so aggravating and tiresome, but so be it.



The good ole classic left wing was massively anti-establishment. So is Q.

Chester, Q is not anti-establishment, he's anti *democratic party* establishment. He's more than happy to make use of police, military, the court system, any lever of governmental force he can muster to get the DS Dems frog marched on off to Gitmo.


The good ole left wing used to defend free speech, now they police speech.

I offer no excuses for that particular version of today's left, but at least they're not the ones still ruthlessly going after Julian Assange and Edward Snowden for instance. That would be the Trump administration, along with the DS Republican side of the establishment.

Hardly champions of the 1ST Amendment themselves...



The good ole left wing was anti-war. Now it is a front for the war profiteer machine known is the military, industrial and congressional complex.

Are you saying the Military Industrial Complex is just a left thing?

[Ratszinger]

Thanks Chester. I've got nothing to add. I've debated this matter as much I want to for the present time. I'm out of energy to come up with new ways of making the same argument. Enough.

It's up to everyone to think what they want to think, and decide what they want to decide.

Geez Star, it's not like I'm hounding you to the four corners of the Earth asking for clarification on the same exact matter over, and over, and over again. If you'll recall I even bowed out of the great debate because politically speaking, this forum bleeds MAGA red without pause or question, so why bother any more?

But then to see an obviously Right Wing conservative movement (which is IMO neither good nor bad it just is) now being labeled as classic liberal, I felt someone needed to at least step in and point out that this cannot possibly be so. It should be obvious on the face of it, maybe someone else can explain to me why my reasoning is so flawed on that:


Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from the republicans and his loyal base, the latter of which is predominantly comprised of conservatives and Christian fundamentalists. How on earth is this classic liberalism?

I don't know why the ultra rare dissenting opinion in the Trump echo chamber is seen as so aggravating and tiresome, but so be it.



The good ole classic left wing was massively anti-establishment. So is Q.

Chester, Q is not anti-establishment, he's anti *democratic party* establishment. He's more than happy to make use of police, military, the court system, any lever of governmental force he can muster to get the DS Dems frog marched on off to Gitmo.


The good ole left wing used to defend free speech, now they police speech.

I offer no excuses for that particular version of today's left, but at least they're not the ones still ruthlessly going after Julian Assange and Edward Snowden for instance. That would be the Trump administration, along with the DS Republican side of the establishment.

Hardly champions of the 1ST Amendment themselves...



The good ole left wing was anti-war. Now it is a front for the war profiteer machine known is the military, industrial and congressional complex.

Are you saying the Military Industrial Complex is just a left thing?

From the stand point of source power I would say that both parties answer to the same power, and that this power sometimes smacks us with the left and sometimes the right and sometimes it isn't sure what it's doing and it makes mistakes and at some point in the past it confused the parties switching them and their policies in the process where it gets counter punched now with the past now and again. Such as, for one example, "JFK" a democrat running and winning on a campaign to reduce taxes! Which is something democrats have not sided with or used in a campaign since, now they increase taxes! They never talk about reducing them until now when Joe Biden makes vain promises he has no intention of keeping. The left as per Kennedy, used to condemn secrets but now they embrace them, and as Gracie pointed out the fact that they used to push free speech and now want to limit it to towing the party line only shows you they've mutated on both sides of the aisle.

[Jayke]

It should be obvious on the face of it, maybe someone else can explain to me why my reasoning is so flawed on that:


Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from the republicans and his loyal base, the latter of which is predominantly comprised of conservatives and Christian fundamentalists. How on earth is this classic liberalism?


Yeah sure, I’ll point out the obvious flaw for you Gracy.

You started your argument based on a conflation.


”Q is inseparable from Trump”

That’s as illogical as me saying you are inseparable from Bill Ryan just because you play on the same team (the moderators team). Q is Q. Trump is Trump. Different bases. Different demographics.

Are you saying that everyone on the Q thread and all the thousands upon thousands of people who show up at Trumps rallies are Christian Fundamentalists? The evidence on the ground (and in the threads) proves otherwise.

Problem with calling Trumps base conservatives, is that the Overton window you view politics through has been so skewed by decades of mass propoganda, that what was once called ‘classic liberal’ is now called ‘the extreme right’. You yourself were guilty of this subjective slippage of semantics when you called Dr Steve Turley “ultra right wing” (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107894-Other-Q-conversations-including-some-Questions-and-Answers&p=1306352&viewfull=1#post1306352) a while back. (Man, that still gives me the giggles :ROFL:).

Only a month to go before the final showdown begins, so it’s too late for debate, too late for arguments, we’re purely in the popcorn, memes and mockery stages, so, I’m just going to chill out, relax, put my feet up and watch all the Antifa heads explode as America doesn’t descend into an apocalyptic civil war hellhole after Trump is re-elected, and the left-wing liberals are forced to confront the most terrifying fear the world has ever known... the fear that “Orange man really isn’t that bad” and the past 4 years of screeching otherwise has been utterly and pathetically futile. Roll on 2021, 2020 has been a blast!! :popcorn:

https://i.imgflip.com/21w90d.jpg

[Chester]

Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal (3 weeks ago) (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-by-norwegian-official)

and

Trump nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize following Serbia-Kosovo deal (2 weeks ago) (https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/donald-trump-nominated-for-second-nobel-peace-prize/)

and third nomination today...

Trump Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Australian Law Professors for Doctrine Against Endless Wars (September 28, 2020) (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-nominated-nobel-peace-prize-australian-law-professors-doctrine-against-endless-wars-1534723)

Note all three nominations come near the very end of Trump's first term (unlike his predecessor who was nominated and won, barely into the beginning of his opportunity to prove he deserved it).

The Trump Doctrine (from the third article) -

"The Trump Doctrine is something extraordinary, as so many things that Donald Trump does. He is guided by two things, which seem to be absent from so many politicians. He has firstly common sense and he is only guided by a national interest, and therefore, in our circumstances, an interest in the Western alliance," Flint said. "What he has done with the Trump Doctrine is that he has decided that he would no longer have America involved in endless wars, wars which achieve nothing, but the killing of thousands of young Americans and enormous debts imposed on America."

That alone, without a doubt, would, in fair "normal" times, ensure his re-election. Unfortunately, the war machine's candidate is, as we all know, Joe Biden.

The KILLING business is goooood bizness. Combine that with an electorate that consistes of 35% or so who will vote who are either ignorant, insane or both and you get a close race that probably still can only be won by mail in voting fraud (like the sort that was busted recently by Project Veritas and made public yesterday) -

Project Veritas uncovers ‘ballot harvesting fraud’ in Minnesota (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/)

https://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif?noredirect

[Gracy]

Okay Jayke, so I'll continue to ignore the constant drumbeat of "Q = Trump = Republican = FOX NEWS = Conservative" in all of this, and pretend it's not really there. If that equation actually = classic liberal in the majorities' eyes, then by all means roll with it.

Now I still can't help but notice the ongoing stone cold silence on the continued wars, ever ballooning military budget, the strangling sanctions on innocent peoples, CIA regime change efforts, Wall Street bailouts by the trillions, the silencing of Snowden Assange and the likes, etc.

If this is also part of this classic liberal revolution, the 4D chess, then so be it, my decades of indoctrination must be blinding me so badly that I simply cannot even fathom the true majesty.

Please carry on :)

[Chester]

Oh, for a Supreme Court that could review "settled law" at the Project Avalon forum.

[Jayke]

Okay Jayke, so I'll continue to ignore the constant drumbeat of "Q = Trump = Republican = FOX NEWS = Conservative" in all of this, and pretend it's not really there. If that equation actually = classic liberal in the majorities' eyes, then by all means roll with it.

Now I still can't help but notice the ongoing stone cold silence on the continued wars, ever ballooning military budget, the strangling sanctions on innocent peoples, CIA regime change efforts, Wall Street bailouts by the trillions, the silencing of Snowden Assange and the likes, etc.

If this is also part of this classic liberal revolution, the 4D chess, then so be it, my decades of indoctrination must be blinding me so badly that I simply cannot even fathom the true majesty.

Please carry on :)

You must have an idealism bordering on fantasy if you think one man can stop the juggernaut of the military industrial complex, Gracy. It’ll take a good while to turn that ship around, regardless of who you choose to put at the helm. I find it very quaint that you believe the American president has that kind of power, almost endearing in its naivety. “If Jesus was really the sun of God, he’d be able to stop the sun from rising in the morning with the power of his prayer”, similar kind of logic, it’s the expectation of impossible standards that keeps people mired in the political theatre of samsara, always expecting perfection. Try reading the Bhagavad Gita, you might find it insightfully cathartic.


the constant drumbeat of "Q = Trump = Republican = FOX NEWS = Conservative"

Yeah, your the only one on the Q threads banging that drum. It’s a phantasm of your own imagination if they’re the only notes you tune into when reading the Q material. How much do you honestly have to ignore in order to arrive at those exceedingly superficial conclusions? Your equation really has very little to do with what the Q movement is genuinely about.

[Gracy]

Interesting Jayke, thanks for furthering your deep insights.

[Jayke]

Brendon O’Connell has been putting out some interesting videos lately. He’s one of the only people who seems to be tuned into the UN 2030 grand plan. How does Trump fit into the Chabad Lubavitch goals of enslaving the planet into an A.I drone powered, smart city technocracy?

His take goes way beyond the left vs right Punch and Judy show and looks at the bigger picture. Optimistic and pessimistic in equal measure. Still not sure if he’s just another talking head pumping out disinformation, but worth considering what he says even if I don’t fully agree with it all, to see what plans might potentially be rolled out further down the line.

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Only a month to go before the final showdown begins, so it’s too late for debate, too late for arguments, we’re purely in the popcorn, memes and mockery stages, so, I’m just going to chill out, relax, put my feet up and watch all the Antifa heads explode as America doesn’t descend into an apocalyptic civil war hellhole after Trump is re-elected, and the left-wing liberals are forced to confront the most terrifying fear the world has ever known... the fear that “Orange man really isn’t that bad” and the past 4 years of screeching otherwise has been utterly and pathetically futile. Roll on 2021, 2020 has been a blast!! :popcorn:


Awesome Jayke. That's exactly the way I feel about things at the moment. All my arguments are done and dusted, all the interpretations I've attempted to make (and justifications for them) are spent. It's a kind of battle fatigue of the keyboard variety at this stage.



Geez Star, it's not like I'm hounding you

And I'm not dodging you Gracy, I just feel I've covered everything, including to the Nth degree how viewing these affairs as left vs right is pure 2D thinking. Unless you break from that you will never see or understand the extra dimension(s) operating here. I simply cannot describe them any further without repeating myself.

You said elsewhere you weren't a shrinking violet and were ready, locked and loaded for whatever is coming. I do not doubt it. I somewhat think you're quite a total badass - that's a compliment. If ever it kicked off and things went sideways, I'd probably be standing behind you! But let it be known that a difference of opinion is only that. A difference of opinion. And unlike other places in the world there should be no falling out over that here.

:handshake: :beer:

[Gracy]

But let it be known that a difference of opinion is only that. A difference of opinion. And unlike other places in the world there should be no falling out over that here.

:handshake: :beer:

Well I'm very glad you brought that up Star. I've always assumed there's nothing but mutual respect in our exchanges, no different than how athletes shake hands and hug after a match. Most people here have mastered fairly well the fine art hashing out differences of opinions without unneeded insults and/or condescension, some not so much, but fortunately they are few and far between.


And I'm not dodging you Gracy, I just feel I've covered everything, including to the Nth degree how viewing these affairs as left vs right is pure 2D thinking. Unless you break from that you will never see or understand the extra dimension(s) operating here. I simply cannot describe them any further without repeating myself.

Perhaps we'll just never be able to properly understand each other on this one. In my personal daily life, I don't look at any of these matter through the left/right paradigm, I simply view them as do I agree with it, or disagree with it; does it make sense, or does it not make sense.

Now having said that, of course I see the environment that these issues swim in. So often times in trying to describe something, I use the descriptor to which I see it most closely associated, no different than I might describe a certain fish as being either "salt water", or "fresh water". Hopefully that wouldn't be seen as a limit on my overall, fundamental understanding of fish in general.

So obviously I'm pretty much the only one here who looks at the the whole Trump/Q/FOX NEWS thing, and sees that it exists in a right wing environment. So be it. :)

Anyway, the only reason I popped in on this conversation again after bowing out, was because I noticed you linking this movement to that of classic liberal.

I guess my confusion comes in where my observation of a right wing environment is seen as pure 2D type of thinking that needs to be overcome; yet when this same movement (of whatever label) refers to itself as classic liberal, and refers to other movements as radical socialists and anarchists, it's cutting edge and deadly accurate.

Huh... :noidea:

[Jad]

Thanks Chester. I've got nothing to add. I've debated this matter as much I want to for the present time. I'm out of energy to come up with new ways of making the same argument. Enough.

It's up to everyone to think what they want to think, and decide what they want to decide.

Geez Star, it's not like I'm hounding you to the four corners of the Earth asking for clarification on the same exact matter over, and over, and over again. If you'll recall I even bowed out of the great debate because politically speaking, this forum bleeds MAGA red without pause or question, so why bother any more?

But then to see an obviously Right Wing conservative movement (which is IMO neither good nor bad it just is) now being labeled as classic liberal, I felt someone needed to at least step in and point out that this cannot possibly be so. It should be obvious on the face of it, maybe someone else can explain to me why my reasoning is so flawed on that:


Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from the republicans and his loyal base, the latter of which is predominantly comprised of conservatives and Christian fundamentalists. How on earth is this classic liberalism?

I don't know why the ultra rare dissenting opinion in the Trump echo chamber is seen as so aggravating and tiresome, but so be it.



The good ole classic left wing was massively anti-establishment. So is Q.

Chester, Q is not anti-establishment, he's anti *democratic party* establishment. He's more than happy to make use of police, military, the court system, any lever of governmental force he can muster to get the DS Dems frog marched on off to Gitmo.


The good ole left wing used to defend free speech, now they police speech.

I offer no excuses for that particular version of today's left, but at least they're not the ones still ruthlessly going after Julian Assange and Edward Snowden for instance. That would be the Trump administration, along with the DS Republican side of the establishment.

Hardly champions of the 1ST Amendment themselves...



The good ole left wing was anti-war. Now it is a front for the war profiteer machine known is the military, industrial and congressional complex.

Are you saying the Military Industrial Complex is just a left thing?

Hi why is it not possible to ignore moderators? Can you please find a workaround this? Thanks.

[Ratszinger]

Q is posting big time at this writing

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

yet when this same movement (of whatever label) refers to itself as classic liberal, and refers to other movements as radical socialists and anarchists, it's cutting edge and deadly accurate.

Huh... :noidea:

The short answer is, it's what they identify themselves as.

Eg here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFvzM6Ejy2s), or here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/black-lives-matter-founder-admits-not-just-marxist-beliefs-occultist-practices/) (and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1378165&highlight=trained+marxist#post1378165)).

As far as the term 'classic liberal' goes, the Overton window as previously mentioned has shifted. Thus the perception - and depiction - of what liberalism is (or was), has shifted..


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=44594&d=1601472949

[Jayke]

The political compass. Classic liberals are generally rather centred people (not too hot, not too cold, not too dry, not too moist). The people posting on the Q threads have a well balanced constitution.

http://i.imgur.com/wOvy8Xs.jpg

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https://shakespeareandbeyond.folger.edu/2015/12/04/the-four-humors-eating-in-the-renaissance/




WHAT’S YOUR HUMOR?
Humoral theory, based on the work of the ancient Greek physician Galen, holds that good health relies on a balance of four fundamental fluids: blood, choler (yellow bile), phlegm, and black bile. An ideal proportion (one quarter as much phlegm as blood, one sixteenth as much choler as blood, and one sixty-fourth as much melancholy as blood) is difficult to sustain since humors are continually influenced by what people eat and drink. So one humor will generally predominate and characterize an individual’s overall temperament or “complexion.” Too much blood, for example, results in a sanguine personality, and an overabundance of black bile makes one melancholy.

Each temperament carried its own set of characteristics, which still resonate in our language today. Sanguine people were thought to be ruddy and cheerful, phlegmatics pale and listless, cholerics jaundiced and angry, and melancholics dark and sad (but often creative).

https://i1.wp.com/shakespeareandbeyond.folger.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/12/Humors-graphic.jpg
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Maybe Gracy should take the political compass test so we can get some kind of objective measure of where she comes from with her political prognostications.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Go on Gracy, I double dare you, show us what your made of so we can put this argument to rest for good. :p

[Chester]

Regarding the following:




Here's an open letter to the president, from Andrew Torba of GAB, that raises more Section 230 issues.


We are attacked by Big Tech because we stand for freedom and because we compete with their control over the flow of information online. We operate a social media site that has one core rule: political speech that is protected by the First Amendment is allowed on our site. We do not take sides.

Hey there edina, this offers me another opportunity to try and find clarification on an ongoing question of mine concerning the near and dear value of free speech:

After praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks throughout the 2016 election campaign, President Trump doesn't even seem to recall this issue any more, all while having unleashed the dogs of war against him.

How does this square with a President being a great activist for free speech? Bringing back around to topic, is there maybe a Q drop I've missed on this or something that can easily explain away an obvious concern?

I have my own hypothesis.

Trump understands his re-election is more important than the fallout he might experience regarding the Assange situation at this time. In addition, most people (with reasonable thinking capacity) understand that Assange holds key information which would be greatly appreciated with regards to a.) how Wikileaks obtained the DNC emails and b.) why Wikileaks offered a reward for information that would lead to a conviction of the Killer(s) of Seth Rich.

Once Trump is re-elected, the situation may change with regards to Trump's actions that relate to how the Assange situation is disposed.

Assange, like each of us, took his risks in a very high stakes game. Trump understands this as so as his family and himself. Trump is able to consider the big picture along with "timing of actions" and with regards to Assange, I believe the above are valid factors that are in play.