Energy Drinks

[onawah]

This is weird and scary. I have never drunk energy drinks and now I definitely never will! I wonder how they came up with these experiments and what the ingredients are that are causing these strange reactions.

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https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/videos/516437738997998/?t=0

update later the same day: :facepalm: Can't believe how naive I was to take this at face value! :blushing:

[DeDukshyn]

This is weird and scary. I have never drunk energy drinks and now I definitely never will! I wonder how they came up with these experiments and what the ingredients are that are causing these strange reactions.

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https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/videos/516437738997998/?t=0

Pretty sure the guy is just a hobby "magician" and this is his youtube act. For example in the first clip he just had a balloon inside a balloon, and only cut the outside balloon. Easy to spot, when you notice him holding the balloon rather oddly - so he doesn't let the one inside slip out of position.

Here's Youtube version for those allergic to FB links:
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[onawah]

I would think he's going to pay for that by being sued by energy drink companies!
And a lot of people (like me!) are going to angry for being gullible enough to believe it was real. :facepalm: :blushing:

[DeDukshyn]

I would think he's going to pay for that by being sued by energy drink companies!
And a lot of people (like me!) are going to angry for being gullible enough to believe it was real. :facepalm: :blushing:

Hehe, I noticed in the comments, a teacher had got the idea to try some of these in class for a science experiment and it ended up being a class lesson of "don't believe everything you see on the internet" when they discovered none of them was repeatable ;)

The guy does allude to it being "magic tricks" in his youtube description, but of course when its embedded in FB no one sees that.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, it's magic. :) See this article:


https://aecnewstoday.com/2020/science-or-magic-wild-energy-drink-life-hacks-to-mess-with-your-head

But still — don't drink the stuff. Humans weren't designed for that!

[roguemoon]

i would advise anyone not to drink any soft drinks including pepsi, coke ect. drink water or proper fruit juice.

[rgray222]

An energy drink sold as a food is no safer than an energy drink sold as a supplement and vice versa. Both can contain large amounts of caffeine plus additional stimulants and ingredients that can be harmful and many of these products evade labeling laws, which is why it can be difficult to know exactly what is in an energy drink.

A typical energy drink with 100-200mg of caffeine is not the major concern. The concern with these drinks lies with products that contain high levels of caffeine and multiple stimulants. Many products are combining caffeine with stimulants such as guarana seed, yohimbe and yerba mate. Some drinks also contain synephrine, which is on the banned substance list for many professional sporting agencies and the NCAA.

Combining high levels of caffeine with other stimulants may cause an electrical disturbance causing a life-threating arrhythmia (heart palpitations). As we’ve seen in several cases in teens and adults, it could potentially lead to cardiac arrest and eventually death. In 2011, there were 20,783 reported emergency room visits in which an energy drink was cited as the primary cause of or a contributing factor to a health problem, compared with 10,068 in 2007. New research shows that consuming just one energy drink can affect blood vessel function.

Source: https://taylorhooton.org/energy-drinks/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIurq_jsrI6gIVGI7ICh2Z_wIeEAAYASAAEgKbC_D_BwE

[DeDukshyn]

An energy drink sold as a food is no safer than an energy drink sold as a supplement and vice versa. Both can contain large amounts of caffeine plus additional stimulants and ingredients that can be harmful and many of these products evade labeling laws, which is why it can be difficult to know exactly what is in an energy drink.

A typical energy drink with 100-200mg of caffeine is not the major concern. The concern with these drinks lies with products that contain high levels of caffeine and multiple stimulants. Many products are combining caffeine with stimulants such as guarana seed, yohimbe and yerba mate. Some drinks also contain synephrine, which is on the banned substance list for many professional sporting agencies and the NCAA.

Combining high levels of caffeine with other stimulants may cause an electrical disturbance causing a life-threating arrhythmia (heart palpitations). As we’ve seen in several cases in teens and adults, it could potentially lead to cardiac arrest and eventually death. In 2011, there were 20,783 reported emergency room visits in which an energy drink was cited as the primary cause of or a contributing factor to a health problem, compared with 10,068 in 2007. New research shows that consuming just one energy drink can affect blood vessel function.

Source: https://taylorhooton.org/energy-drinks/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIurq_jsrI6gIVGI7ICh2Z_wIeEAAYASAAEgKbC_D_BwE

I'm pretty sure the 50+ grams of sugar (14 teaspoons) per drink isn't helping anyone's health either ... some people drink 3-5 these (sometimes more) every day. Might as well just eat sugar by the 1/4 bag.

[onawah]

"Proper" fruit juice, if it comes out of a bottle has been heat treated, so is acidic and lost most of its' nutritional value.
Better to invest in a good juicer!

i would advise anyone not to drink any soft drinks including pepsi, coke ect. drink water or proper fruit juice.

[lunaflare]

I'd say the can containing the "drink" is not a healthful container either

[Mare]

Not to mention most of them if not all contain Aspertame.

[Constance]

I know of people who are so addicted to that stuff, no matter what you tell them about how poisonous a substance it is, they just can't help themselves. Caffeine is so addictive. You almost (and I mean almost) need to trick people into not drinking it.

We need to find creative ways of reaching people so that they can have clear hearts and minds.

[rgray222]

I know of people who are so addicted to that stuff, no matter what you tell them about how poisonous a substance it is, they just can't help themselves. Caffeine is so addictive. You almost (and I mean almost) need to trick people into not drinking it.

We need to find creative ways of reaching people so that they can have clear hearts and minds.

The Washington Post ran a story years ago about addiction, in particular about addictive substances. The rated many of substances on a scale of 1 to 100. 100 being the most addictive.

They rated caffeine at 99, nicotine at either 98 or 97, and crack cocaine just below that. Heroin was 4 or 5 from the top something like 94. I was astonished

[TargeT]

I drink energy drinks, mostly the ones high in B as alcohol seems to leach that rapidly.

I also take nothing at face value, far too jaded :)

[Catsquotl]

My go to beverage during nightshifts..

[Constance]

I know of people who are so addicted to that stuff, no matter what you tell them about how poisonous a substance it is, they just can't help themselves. Caffeine is so addictive. You almost (and I mean almost) need to trick people into not drinking it.

We need to find creative ways of reaching people so that they can have clear hearts and minds.

The Washington Post ran a story years ago about addiction, in particular about addictive substances. The rated many of substances on a scale of 1 to 100. 100 being the most addictive.

They rated caffeine at 99, nicotine at either 98 or 97, and crack cocaine just below that. Heroin was 4 or 5 from the top something like 94. I was astonished
Thanks for sharing all of that rgray222. :flower: It is why coffee is sold on every street corner. It is very much understood what caffeine does to us. Caffeine is mans nemesis.

On a metaphysical level (you are what you eat whilst you think) All foods are medicine. If you are dehydrated, drinking a cup of coffee is beneficial, however if people drink it every day, it will have the opposite effect. An excess of caffeine in the system speeds up all the energies, and when this happens, you literally cannot think straight, nor stay in the present moment, where all our true empowerment lies. :facepalm:

Jason Christoff writes here:

Coffee and Heart Attack, High Blood Pressure and Stroke




Coffee, without any doubt, is the most dangerous and unhealthy sedative narcotic on the planet. Coffee's extremely destructive capabilities are purposely hidden from the public. When you see a sedative narcotic, which tranquilizes the nervous system and plummets brain function to child IQ levels, we immediately understand that this substance (and the lies around it) are being used as a weapon against the slave class.
Heart attacks, strokes and high blood pressure are on the incline in our society and the public at large aren't informed of how coffee triggers all three. First, coffee is a diuretic, which means it removes water from the system. This thickens the blood to the consistency of syrup, providing the perfect conditions for high blood pressure, heart attack and stroke. Coffee and its' poisonous load of caffeine that it delivers also triggers a stress response that constricts blood vessels, thickens the blood and causes what's called vasospasm of major arteries.. Vasospasm is the action by which caffeine causes arteries in the heart to go into spasm, triggering a heart attack. Coffee also causes the blood stream to become acidic and it's that acidity that changes the polarity of the blood cells themselves. Blood cells are supposed to be all charged negatively (like the same sides of a magnet), so they all repel and don't clump together. Coffee changes the electrical charge of blood cells, to make them stick together, to increase the chance of stroke, high blood pressure and heart attack. Add in the thickening of the blood because caffeine removes water from the body and the metabolic conditions are just right for disaster.
Caffeine causes weight gain, cellulite, depression, anxiety, insomnia, heart attacks, strokes, osteoporosis, mood disorders, low IQ, muscle wasting, violent outbursts, irrational behavior, illogical decisions and so much more. Read the book below for more information. That hot cup of poison in the morning could be your biggest problem

Spiders On Drugs




Scientists at the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have turned their attention from the mysteries of the cosmos to a more esoteric area of research: what happens when you get a spider stoned. Their experiments have shown that common house spiders spin their webs in different ways according to the psychotropic drug they have been given. Nasa scientists believe the research demonstrates that web-spinning spiders can be used to test drugs because the more toxic the chemical, the more deformed was the web.

* Spiders on marijuana made a reasonable stab at spinning webs but appeared to lose concentration about half-way through.

* Those on Benzedrine - "speed" - spin their webs "with great gusto, but apparently without much planning leaving large holes", according to New Scientist magazine.

* Caffeine, one of the most common drugs consumed by Britons in soft drinks, tea and coffee, makes spiders incapable of spinning anything better than a few threads strung together at random.

* On chloral hydrat, an ingredient of sleeping pills, spiders "drop off before they even get started".


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I would provide the source for this but the link is now dead.

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ABC News: Caffeine effect on the human brain

[TargeT]

Everything in moderation means EVERYTHING; but it also means MODERATION.

I dunno, toxicity is all about dosage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity)


If you are dehydrated, drinking a cup of coffee is beneficial

I dunno about that, coffee is a diuretic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diuretic) generally not good to drink when dehydrated.


sedative narcotic on the planet

Ahh,... I have a very hard time believing that with out extreme amounts of empirical data that proves the opposite of my personal experience with moderate caffeine usage

[Constance]

Everything in moderation means EVERYTHING; but it also means MODERATION.

I dunno, toxicity is all about dosage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity)


If you are dehydrated, drinking a cup of coffee is beneficial

I dunno about that, coffee is a diuretic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diuretic) generally not good to drink when dehydrated.

Are you aware of the homeopathic remedy for dehydration? It is coffea...

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=75826e2a-737a-43ac-aed7-fad960889b88&type=display

And..did you see that video of the mri I shared? :blushing:

Moderation does not equal balance.

[Constance]

Ahh,... I have a very hard time believing that with out extreme amounts of empirical data that proves the opposite of my personal experience with moderate caffeine usage

Maybe someone who has the time and the energy could start a thread with all that empirical data. I dunno...

[meeradas]

I once opened a can of red bull.
That was enough.

[Conaire]

Even the smell of those drinks, Redbull especially, is enough to put me off. If something smells that bad it can't be good for you.

[Wind]

Even when I was a teenager I thought that energy drinks seem to be so toxic that I would not drink them. The one Battery that I once tried tasted awful. I chose coffee then or some other stimulant over it, I don't mean to criticize anyone's life choices. Unfortunately many of our "foods" are harmful. I did drink a lot of soda and stopped that too as it either isn't healthy. Sugar is bad, but aspartame and the other ingredients are even far worse.

[TargeT]

And..did you see that video of the mri I shared? :blushing:

Moderation does not equal balance.

I dunno that we are as smart as we think we are, what exactly did that mean (MRI data)? I don't take "authority figures" word on anything any more.

and yes, moderation does not equal balance (though who defines that), I just go with my instincts and listen to my body for that one... best I can think of todo.


Even the smell of those drinks, Redbull especially, is enough to put me off. If something smells that bad it can't be good for you.

there are many different ones out there, my occasional "rebuild" drink is Rockstar Recovery (https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61uKdoyiO+L._SL160_.jpg; and I do agree with you, most things monster makes are repulsive to me and I could never finish a redbull (sans Vodka.... haha)

the worst things in it are Benzoic Acid, Acesulfame Potassium & Sucralose; but even those are in very small quantities and the vit B levels are worth it IMO. plus it's 20 calories and very lightly flavored (tastes much like a strongly doctored tea IMO).

Just playing devils advocate like I do.. nothing is all one sided ;)

[Agape]

Most of the energy drinks I’ve noticed( being curious customer, I often walk around read the labels :) ) contain taurine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine), it’s natural amino acid you may suggest and it was originally derived from animal glands and organs.
It tastes awful to me :( I tried it about twice in my life and did not like the “energy” of it.

.....


Where is the original recipe for Coca Cola ?

😷

[TargeT]

Most of the energy drinks I’ve noticed( being curious customer, I often walk around read the labels :) ) contain taurine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine), it’s natural amino acid you may suggest and it was originally derived from animal glands and organs.


that's probably one of the few things that is actually pretty good for you in those cans


It is essential for cardiovascular function, and development and function of skeletal muscle, the retina, and the central nervous system.

Taurine is an unusual example of a naturally occurring sulfonic acid.

Funny enough, Taurine is added to "calm you down" due to the high levels of caffinee that are in those energy drinks... haha it's literally there to stop you from shaking due to high caffeine intake (and I wonder what it does to vascular constriction, or if it does nothing) either way it's a very interesting substance and "quite good" from my research.

[Agape]

Could be many different types of energy drinks. I bet they come in countless variations everywhere.
Some have more of one or another ingredients.

I’m super sensor 😅 but have own prefs and tolerances. I think I can tolerate extraordinary amounts of caffeine without it would cause me anything.
It rises my naturally low blood pressure and keeps me focused.
So I can run on coffee still 🐨

I know it’s awful for many people but as kids we have got hands on those concentrated coffee drops and ate it as a supplement,
aside of colored sugar cubes and other forbidden stuff 😅

[pyrangello]

I had an 18 year old kid a few years back welding in my shop, he drank 3 of those monster energy drinks in one morning and went to total energy to total crash where he was lethargic and couldn't process anything . I sent him home for the rest of the day he was so out of it.

[DeDukshyn]

Most of the energy drinks I’ve noticed( being curious customer, I often walk around read the labels :) ) contain taurine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine), it’s natural amino acid you may suggest and it was originally derived from animal glands and organs.


that's probably one of the few things that is actually pretty good for you in those cans


It is essential for cardiovascular function, and development and function of skeletal muscle, the retina, and the central nervous system.

Taurine is an unusual example of a naturally occurring sulfonic acid.

Funny enough, Taurine is added to "calm you down" due to the high levels of caffinee that are in those energy drinks... haha it's literally there to stop you from shaking due to high caffeine intake (and I wonder what it does to vascular constriction, or if it does nothing) either way it's a very interesting substance and "quite good" from my research.

I think taurine may also be added to help protect the heart from stress that can be induced from extremely high caffeine intake. A caffeine OD will usually affect the heart predominantly.

ADDITION:
The best combo to use with caffeine is L-Theanine -- those two together work amazing. The Theanine helps shift your brain toward an alpha brainwave state, and keeps you calm, but allows the "focus" of the caffeine to come through .

I'm actually surprised there is no popular drinks with this combo. Sencha Green tea, (and regular green tea to a lesser extent) is naturally high in L-Theanine - that is why green tea generally gives a more civil caffeine buzz than coffee.

[TargeT]

I think taurine may also be added to help protect the heart from stress that can be induced from extremely high caffeine intake. A caffeine OD will usually affect the heart predominantly.

makes sense to me

[Constance]

I dunno that we are as smart as we think we are

I agree. The Dunning and Kruger affect is very much alive.


what exactly did that mean (MRI data)?

Re the MRI data: On face value, what I took it to mean is that whenever we partake of a substance, it has an immediate affect on the body. Everything we partake of in the way of substances is going to be expressed on one level of our being or another. Hence my referral to, you are what you eat whilst you think


I don't take "authority figures" word on anything any more.

Fair enough. :)

I can understand why you feel this way. What I think is that everyone has a piece of the puzzle.


and yes, moderation does not equal balance (though who defines that), I just go with my instincts and listen to my body for that one... best I can think of todo.

The only issue with listening to the body is that if for example, we have a biological infection, or a head injury, or we have been chemically poisoned, it can affect the way we think. Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91913-BLACK-MOLD-symptoms-remedies-treatment-elimination&p=1291751&viewfull=1#post1291751) is something I posted on the intelligence of bacteria on another thread.


Just playing devils advocate like I do.. nothing is all one sided ;)


Duly noted :) But I'm not sure if you were talking to Conaire or myself or both of us when you made that comment.


Just playing devils advocate like I do.. nothing is all one sided

I agree, nothing is all one sided. All energies have a positive spin and a negative spin.

Energetically, coffee takes peoples energy into a negative spin. I used to help someone treat people in a clinic wholistically and one of the first things that would always show up was if they drank coffee because these were the people who couldn't keep their thoughts under control.

Just adding to the comments regarding Taurine. The Taurine in energy drinks are artificial and not natural.

Getting back to coffee as a diuretic, and the quote I shared from Jason Christoff, if coffee is a diuretic, why would you partake of a substance like that if it dehydrates one in the first instance?

I've got a question for everyone.

Would you give an energy drink or tea or coffee to a baby? And if not, why not?

The reason that I ask this is because

We are just as sensitive as we were when we were babies.

[TargeT]

Duly noted :) But I'm not sure if you were talking to Conaire or myself or both of us when you made that comment.


I mostly type for "the audience" my responses are often prompted by posts but I don't generally reply directly to individual posters... I'm weird I suppose. :}


diuretic, why would you partake of a substance like that if it dehydrates one in the first instance?

Diuretic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diuretic) does not equate to dehydrate; though it can lead to that. There are many very good effects, but again moderation or specific targeted use is key (as with everything IMO).

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hey Target.
That made me think to ask:
Are you still wearing that radio-active pendant?

[TargeT]

Hey Target.
That made me think to ask:
Are you still wearing that radio-active pendant?

until about 5 months ago when it was stolen from my jeep... I'll nver be able to replace it; it was a beautiful piece made by a member (former?) of this forum (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation&highlight=hormesis+uranium); very disappointing.

I'll eventually get another piece made i suppose, I'm about to move to VA so there will be more opportunity.

[Waldo]

After 6000 years of history sugar is now evil if you are to believe all the articles that point to sugary soft drinks. The problems is not any of those sugary soft drinks contain real sugar. Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C and HFCS is not sugar. In the USA we have been deprived of natural sugar since the mid 80's. Your body is made up of sugars and your body craves them. Your body will get sugar from the many sources the sugar nazis say is ok. If this subject interests you here are a few links. I make a living making and selling soft drinks made with 100% non-gmo sugar cane and 100% natural ingredients in terms of colors flavors and acids.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/why-the-sugar-glycome-is-the-next-big-thing-in-health-and-medicine.html

https://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/natural-sugar-could-curb-diabetes/81256166?q=Sugar

[Metaphor]

Remembered this as funny and informative, rewatched and it still is...
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[Constance]

After 6000 years of history sugar is now evil if you are to believe all the articles that point to sugary soft drinks. The problems is not any of those sugary soft drinks contain real sugar. Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C and HFCS is not sugar. In the USA we have been deprived of natural sugar since the mid 80's. Your body is made up of sugars and your body craves them. Your body will get sugar from the many sources the sugar nazis say is ok. If this subject interests you here are a few links. I make a living making and selling soft drinks made with 100% non-gmo sugar cane and 100% natural ingredients in terms of colors flavors and acids.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/why-the-sugar-glycome-is-the-next-big-thing-in-health-and-medicine.html

https://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/natural-sugar-could-curb-diabetes/81256166?q=Sugar

You just reminded me of Walter Kempner and the remarkable healings people received on a simple therapy of white rice, fruit, juice, and sugar.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/

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A major breakthrough occurred by accident in 1942 when one of Dr. Kempner’s patients, a 33-year-old North Carolina woman with chronic glomerulonephritis (kidney disease) and papilledema (eye disease) failed to follow his instructions. Because of Dr. Kempner’s heavy German accent she misunderstood his instructions to return in two weeks, and after two months, she finally returned, with no signs of deficiency, but rather with robust health. The woman had experienced a dramatic reduction of her blood pressure, from 190/120 to 124/84 mmHg, resolution of eye damage (retinal hemorrhages and papilledema), and a noticeable decrease in heart size.

[Waldo]

After 6000 years of history sugar is now evil if you are to believe all the articles that point to sugary soft drinks. The problems is not any of those sugary soft drinks contain real sugar. Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C and HFCS is not sugar. In the USA we have been deprived of natural sugar since the mid 80's. Your body is made up of sugars and your body craves them. Your body will get sugar from the many sources the sugar nazis say is ok. If this subject interests you here are a few links. I make a living making and selling soft drinks made with 100% non-gmo sugar cane and 100% natural ingredients in terms of colors flavors and acids.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/why-the-sugar-glycome-is-the-next-big-thing-in-health-and-medicine.html

https://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/natural-sugar-could-curb-diabetes/81256166?q=Sugar

You just reminded me of Walter Kempner and the remarkable healings people received on a simple therapy of white rice, fruit, juice, and sugar.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/

snippet



A major breakthrough occurred by accident in 1942 when one of Dr. Kempner’s patients, a 33-year-old North Carolina woman with chronic glomerulonephritis (kidney disease) and papilledema (eye disease) failed to follow his instructions. Because of Dr. Kempner’s heavy German accent she misunderstood his instructions to return in two weeks, and after two months, she finally returned, with no signs of deficiency, but rather with robust health. The woman had experienced a dramatic reduction of her blood pressure, from 190/120 to 124/84 mmHg, resolution of eye damage (retinal hemorrhages and papilledema), and a noticeable decrease in heart size.

Soft drinks as originally created were not only a treat and or refreshment they were the original energy drinks. For the first time in history we are seeing fatty liver disease in non-alcoholic patients. That is due to HFCS being processed through the liver due to the metabolic rate of artificially processed sugars as opposed to natural sugars that the body absorbs and converts to energy upon consumption. Our bodies are naturally occurring not matter what position you hold on our origins. Medical science says our DNA holds the codes to our genetics on how our bodies function. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what we put in these bodies fuels everything. Wish I had time to communicate what i have learned and come to believe. I take the biblical position of the origin and God said everything he made with it's own seed and reproduces after it's own kind is all good. No where in nature will you find HFCS.