When Did the World Abandon Reason for Madness?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

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When it abandoned morality.

In order to exercise wisdom you need morality. Though the two are not quite the same, they are bedfellows, like patience and tolerance. One cannot be divorced from the other. And if you lack one you lack both. At least that's my premise.

I would also speculate that the measure of wisdom is directly proportional to the morality available. Where policy-makers fail to speak or show any wisdom, they are also indicating their moral deficiency.

So it begs the question. When the State has no morality, how then can it preach morality?

Yet it presumes constantly to do so. But it is only preaching a distortion of morality. Those people not in-tune with themselves will thus lose touch with what is and isn't true morality, and by association, what is and isn't true wisdom. Hence the state of things.

Fortunately for these Powers That Be, the majority are so distracted and deep asleep they are unable to recognise the lies, that they're living in a thoroughly regressive regime.

That's why the Powers That Be have the monopoly on the information. They must control the level of slumber to ensure our inaction. At present they are fighting hard (and dirty) to keep that control – particularly over the Internet. Because they know that the moment they lose it, it's over for them.

So, is there any hope?

43989

Well, I'd rather die a fool than live ignorant.

[araucaria]

There is plenty of hope. Just don't abandon reason for madness, which includes a lot of stuff that passes for (spiritual) wisdom.
See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110418-Let--s-open-some-gates-and-windows&p=1348753&viewfull=1#post1348753).

[Mike]

Logic and reason and sensible thought has been reduced to such an extent that what's left is something like a vague and foggy morass. The "death of God" as Nietzsche put it. In the absence of the Logos, or a transcendent ideal or thing or God, ego fills the void. It's bad new all the way around. Madness.

In the absence of logic and reason and sensible thought, there is mostly unhinged emotion. Our societies are coherent precisely because we have these things. Those that don't value them are enemies of mankind. They seek to destroy and tear down and reduce.

They are not artists or creators; their spirits are dark and resentful. They view your art and your creation as a personal offense. So the goal is to destroy it all and bring everyone and everything down to one medicore level. The new morality is destruction and cancelation, and the soundtrack to this new hellscape is hysterical shrieks of hideous emotion.

Wait, are you waiting for me to say something positive here?:) I'm coming up blank, but here's a pretty good consolation prize:

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[Ernie Nemeth]

I would ask when will the world abandon madness and embrace reason. But reason is not the issue because intellectualism is not the answer.

Compassion is, and love. And heart-centered common sense.

[DeDukshyn]

I have been thinking about hope recently and have deemed it a cruel master and a agent of fear.

We would be best served by faith and confidence in ourselves and apply the actions and change in our lives that will grant us a level of immunity from those that push the agendas of fear and madness.

Politicians are not leaders; almost all media have been fully turned into agents of fear. It’s time to turn our attention away from them and towards support our fellow humans and local businesses, to express our love and desire for a better world.

The old structures are collapsing, and the insanity, the madness and short-sightedness that they were built on is blasting out at us like a cloud of debris as the towers they ruled from implode upon themselves.

[araucaria]

I would ask when will the world abandon madness and embrace reason. But reason is not the issue because intellectualism is not the answer.

Compassion is, and love. And heart-centered common sense.
Yes Ernie, but if compassion is to be more than a mere abstraction, it has to be seen as heart-centred understanding. Understanding comes through reasoning upon a supply of data. The compassionate response needs that input in order to be appropriate. The same goes for love: your unconditional love for your own child will be expressed in different ways than for another child whom you don’t know at all or understand very much. If reason counted for nothing, I suggest that the perceived appropriate response would be different too. I tend to think that on the whole we do better raising our own kids rather than someone else’s. One sign of madness in the contemporary world may be the huge number of people raising someone else’s kids…

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks A, I agree with your assessment.

Still, love does not need modification, nor does compassion. Those are constants. Reason is the factor that continues to morph, continues to change. In that context, common sense does too.

[DeDukshyn]

I would add that reasoning of the spirit is pretty much incompatible with reasoning of the ego. Attempting to define spirit reasoning within egoic reasoning is not ‘reasonable’, and an extremely difficult proposition. The ego cannot see what the spirit sees, and cannot fathom the speed in which spirit forms it’s reason. If ego had the same perspective, and the spirit’s reasoning was slowed enough, then perhaps it could.

A new order of reasoning and logic is what is required in these times, the reasoning of the spirit. The ego needs to allow this and have faith in the spirit’s reasoning, for us to effectively move forward into a new realm of understanding.