Does Anybody Have Personal Experience With Opening the Third Eye/Pineal Gland?

[Old Student]

The post I did previously about clear bodies was a post to see if others had had an experience I have had. This post is to see if others have had an experience -- opening at the pineal gland/third eye -- that I am expecting to have.

Quite bluntly, I am wondering what to expect.

I prepared to do try this thread by reading up -- I searched Project Avalon for "Third Eye Pineal Gland" and read the threads. Those most relevant to what I am trying to find out about are:

Pineal Gland (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12511-Pineal-Gland&highlight=pineal+gland%2C) started by witchy1 2012

Conscious 'abductions/astral interactions', 'dream state' image overlays, the sub-conscious and pineal gland DMT production (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85700-Conscious-abductions-astral-interactions-dream-state-image-overlays-the-sub-conscious-and-pineal-gland-DMT-production&highlight=pineal+gland%2C) started by terragunn 2015

I did not pick up on most of the part about decalcification or about fluorides. I am not sure it is something I need to know about at this time:

I believe it came across in the other thread I started about clear bodies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111346-Does-Anybody-Else-Have-Clear-Body-Experiences) that I have a process happening to me and that right now, part of what is happening is that more and more of my autonomic nervous system and of my "small muscles" or deep muscles are being worked and extended. I do ecstatic shaking, and these muscles and nerves are being gradually put to service of these shaking events. These things are happening in an order, I don't always know the order, but right now the "next up" muscles or nerves are moving slowly up my torso and neck and are in the bottom of the inside of my head at this point.

So it does seem that the level of the third eye and the pineal gland are in the current path and getting close to next in line.

In addition to the above threads, with at least one of the references being from witchy1's thread, I have been looking at the scientific literature such as I can find. I have documented to myself that the pineal gland is an endocrine-like body, produces melatonin and N-acetylseritonin, and that the fibers afferent on it have a wide range of neurotransmitters. It expresses both to the bloodstream and to CSF, has some structures that look like ancient retinas, and regulates circadian, circannual, and aging rhythms.

Since I have to pay attention to them, I also determined that the afferent fibers that synapse onto the pineal body and stalk are from the peripheral nervous system, coming back into the brain from the carotid sheath, specifically from the sympathetic cervical ganglion (SCG) and parasympathetically from four ganglia in the carotid sheath behind the palate, and that the closest innervated muscles along the nerves some of which end up at the pineal body are those in the upper back of the throat at the soft palate.

I've read what is out there about the DMT thing, most of the time the gland does not produce much, so I don't know what to think of these, the numbers don't seem to normally be there, but there is discussion that they are when it is a near death experience.

That's what I have for science/medicine.

For spiritual, I've read a lot of what people have written, about clairvoyance, clairsentience, about being connected, being able to see with the mind. I would guess that there is a part which is about visions, etc.? This seems to be the bent of various spiritual paths that involve talk about DMT (Mantak Chia also has a claim about this related to a cave experience).

I also read what I could about its characterization as the Third Eye, and looked at information about the ajna chakra, about the convergence of the nadi there, and because of its location, I have had a lot of time spent with the focus of my concentration on the place where the gland/third eye is located, but don't have any idea whether any of my experiences of that spot are "Third Eye".

Anybody that has "opened" their third eye or pineal gland that wants to write about their experience?

I'm mostly interested in the experiences, how to get there isn't an issue for me personally, but other's mileage may vary. I'm by nature inclined to Eastern spiritual matters, but I'll take anything right now.

[TargeT]

I think there's a whole lot of "terms" and "phrases" for the same thing.

I called it ego death; it changed who I was and made me someone I am proud to be vrs someone whom had many situations I could have handled in a much better way.

Once you drop the "me" focus, you experience everything you described... once you are no longer blinded by the "me focus" things become much more clear; I don't know anyone that has had that level of experience (psychedelics, (some types of) trauma, EXTREME meditation; there are many paths (I named them in order of individual effort... haha)).

I do completely disagree that it's something entirely physical, however; form does follow function.

[sponge56]

I want to experience it someday but that's hard to achieve it seems

[EFO]

Two times...it feels like small crackings inside the skull.Very pleasant and unusual.

[TargeT]

I want to experience it someday but that's hard to achieve it seems

or extremely easy with a huge dose of bravery ;}

aka a "heroic dose (https://www.wired.com/2000/05/mckenna/)"... haha

[palehorse]

My experience:
I had an experience in Amazon jungle in Brazil with Dmt, down there it is called "Ayahuasca" it is some sort of vine from the tree, also the barks from another tree, the aborigines mix and cook that in boiling water and serve as a tea or "cha" in Portuguese, it has a high concentration of Dmt, when it kicked in my brain I got the feeling how death feels, Ayahuasca gave me that feeling, also heart racing, cold sweating, a bit euphoric, fear, and all the mixed feelings that I can't explain, also little dizziness .. suddenly it becomes warm to hot right in the center of the head/brain (I still have this feeling nowadays), there was when all fears and doubts and everything else, specially the self/ego just poof!!! go away, and you realize "wow I am nothing", all the 4 times I participated in the ritual it was like that, except for the last time, it was a full detox, lost many kilos that time, took a day or two for recovery.

The next day you feel the void, no questions, no doubt, just a feeling of realization no real explanation, no more buzz and unecessary thinking in the brain, quietness, good feeling, also I perceived a great increase in sharpness, was able to think faster without clouding the brain with so many questions, now when I am writing this post I can feel that hot feeling and the clarity that comes in, actually I can force it to happen today, all I need is to concentrate and let it go of everything, contemplation and meditation helps a lot.

My first time I had the chance to talk with the shaman and he told me a few nice words in Tupi language I think, the guide with us translated into Portuguese but it was not necessary, kind of I understood what the shaman said without knowing the local language, in English it means something on these lines "there is no self", these shamans in the jungle they do not give long sermons or long talks (there is teachers doing it today), they are very precise with their words, and I am pretty sure they communicate using telepathy, my guess Dmt just make things easier to me, kind of cheating, shortcut.

Years after that, I started to learn more about meditation and practice it more often, today i can get into the same state but I do not need to use any substance, it is like I can control some chemical in my body, I do not have a guide for that and every time i try to explain I fail so badly that I think is better to keep it to myself until I find the way to express it properly :o

I do not think it is something that we can write about or make a step by step guide, it does not work like that, it is experience and each one will have one, not necessarily the same, it all depends on your state of mind, I do not recommend anyone to make use of Dmt or any shortcut substance if they are in a negative state of mind, it could be catastrophic. In my case Dmt was the push I need in order to open my third eye, I put a lot of effort and took a big risk in order to experience it, it is not recreational, it is a serious commitment and can cost your life if things goes wrong and believe me it can go very wrong, I had seen bad things happen to good people.

From a medical doctor (a friend):
He said when humans pass away (natural death) they release lots of dimethyltryptamine into the brain, the brain itself take some time to shutdown completely after heart stopped, he just said it, no proofs whatsoever, if anyone know a good scientific paper about it, please post here, would be awesome to read something related.

Conclusion
Whatever the path you are taking in order to open your third eyes, choose wisely, your mind, heart and instinct(guts) will tell you, listen to your body and you will be safe and have an amazing experience.

Obs.:
I apologize if it is illegal to talk about Ayahuasca here (it is in some forums), just to say I am not a junkie and Ayahuasca is not considered drug in Brazil, it is a legal substance there.

Have a good day everyone.



Two times...it feels like small crackings inside the skull.Very pleasant and unusual.

I do have the same thing, I never really tried to understand what it is. :clapping:


I want to experience it someday but that's hard to achieve it seems

I had the same wish before my first Ayahuasca experience. :handshake:

[Old Student]

I called it ego death...Once you drop the "me" focus, you experience everything you described... once you are no longer blinded by the "me focus" things become much more clear...

I'm familiar with experiencing things when "me" is dropped -- in my case it feels usually like dissolved. Does it every venture out? What I mean is that when I dissolve or become "not there", I don't have any feelings from "elsewhere" -- Do you have things like clairvoyance or those kinds of things?

It did change slightly last night, during shaking I was actually confronted with the fact that I had posted the above, and the response was, "It's okay, try this!" after which for just an instant instead of just feeling the breeze coming in the window on my skin, I felt it in the whole room. First ever time being "not there" had meant feeling "being" a physical thing that was "not me".

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I have to say, I'm a big one for visions, I find them to be infinite pools of creativity, but the idea of seeing or feeling somebody else's thoughts (which I think is what clairvoyance is) kind of scares me so I've been ambivalent to it.

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If you don't mind my asking, any particular place inside your skull?

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I read your link, what a sad circumstance to write about. The "heroic dose" wasn't unpopular a few decades ago.

[Old Student]

My first time I had the chance to talk with the shaman and he told me a few nice words in Tupi language I think, the guide with us translated into Portuguese but it was not necessary, kind of I understood what the shaman said without knowing the local language, in English it means something on these lines "there is no self", these shamans in the jungle they do not give long sermons or long talks (there is teachers doing it today), they are very precise with their words, and I am pretty sure they communicate using telepathy, my guess Dmt just make things easier to me, kind of cheating, shortcut.


My guess is that doing this with a shaman involved is quite a bit different than the sort of random drug experimentation from days of old? I do not have physical teachers, if you look at the other thread I opened on clear bodies, I did talk there about what happens when I shake, I get instruction and training -- sometimes intense physical training sometimes cognitive/spiritual training from beings who refer to themselves as "Dakinis". They are very much like guru deities in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, except that I don't visualize them, they show up.

I have had experiences of "no self", I seem to be headed towards sensing or experiencing things distinctly "outside". You seem to have had a communication with the shaman directly, did it feel like it was one of these third eye experiences, or like clairvoyance/clairsentience?

[Eva2]

There is a thread - not sure if it was initiated by Constance or Innocent Warrior - called "Experiencers: Sharing, Exploring and Learning Together". Its a great thread and there are a lot of posts of personal experiences of higher consciousness, phenomena, etc. etc. Really worth reading.

[Hermoor]

I used to be able to do it virtually at will.

It was the steepest learning curve I've experienced. A profound game changer.

Getting more of my bearings through reading up on the subject was a slow process. There's not a lot out there that ticks all the boxes for me. A hallelujah moment of note was finding material on the ancient mystery schools. I suppose I didn't need an ancient mystery school. It was just me, myself and I and some otherworldly energetic connections.

One of the biggest thoughts of the whole experience was "Holy guacamole. Whatever is running this planet has been fine tuning this kind of knowledge for millennia."

Never underestimate these creatures, their powers are infinite. But rejoice plenty because yours are too! :happythumbsup:

Yes, telepathy is real. The future can be foreseen in glimpses before it comes to pass. Ultimately everything is energy and all is connected as one. There are other dimensions which we can't normally sense. We can go there and do our thing. Let go of your ego and really free yourself. The speed of light is pedestrian compared with the speed of thought which is point to point instantaneous irrespective of distance. Aaah, the stillness, bliss and mind-boggling everything and nothing of infinity. And so on.

If any of the above really resonate with you then please message me. I'd be happy to swap notes and ideas. It's such an exotic and limitless subject and fun too.

[East Sun]

Remember that the elite use the triangle in the pyramid and the
third eye as symbols of something only they know about, supposedly.

That might mean only what you interpreted it to mean.

Just know what you're getting into.

My take on that.

[Hermoor]

That might mean only what you interpreted it to mean.

My general interpretation of all of this is largely best summarised in the movie 'La Belle Verte'. It portrays a very beautiful and uplifting take on things.

[palehorse]

My first time I had the chance to talk with the shaman and he told me a few nice words in Tupi language I think, the guide with us translated into Portuguese but it was not necessary, kind of I understood what the shaman said without knowing the local language, in English it means something on these lines "there is no self", these shamans in the jungle they do not give long sermons or long talks (there is teachers doing it today), they are very precise with their words, and I am pretty sure they communicate using telepathy, my guess Dmt just make things easier to me, kind of cheating, shortcut.


My guess is that doing this with a shaman involved is quite a bit different than the sort of random drug experimentation from days of old? I do not have physical teachers, if you look at the other thread I opened on clear bodies, I did talk there about what happens when I shake, I get instruction and training -- sometimes intense physical training sometimes cognitive/spiritual training from beings who refer to themselves as "Dakinis". They are very much like guru deities in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, except that I don't visualize them, they show up.

I have had experiences of "no self", I seem to be headed towards sensing or experiencing things distinctly "outside". You seem to have had a communication with the shaman directly, did it feel like it was one of these third eye experiences, or like clairvoyance/clairsentience?

Yes it is a different experience, a guided one, and the shaman is always seating near to us, but he just observed the entire thing, except when he talks before the ritual and sometimes later at the end, but just a few words. There is some Indians that help with the visitors like me, they give some instructions, if you feeling not well, or need something they are supportive.

I joined the open body thread, another good one :thumbsup: I never ever heard about shaking exercises in order to allow this sort of things to happen, I will read about, thanks for that.

You said about Dakinis, I heard that term before, but I never had any contact with this "entity", interesting after my experience in the jungle in the next day of one of the sessions, I talked to and old lady from Central America and she said Ayahuasca gave to her contact with E.T. beings, that was very interesting experience to hear and I don't think the lady was making that up, I was seating close to her and I didn't see anything E.T. coming around, I believe each one has their own experience, in my case one time I was floating around, and I was able to control my movements, I went to infinity places and could see details and even hear people talking in foreign languages, it is like I was there in real time, somehow watching those people, unfortunately I can not prove that to myself (sounds crazy huh?), I mean it would be great to somehow prove that I see an object confirmed by someone or a book page, when awake dreaming, it is very well noted that shamans contact diverse "entities" in "other realms or dimensions", they can forecast, predict things, heal using energies and plants, and lots of other useful things.

It happened once to me, telepathy with a total stranger in the MRT subway in Taiwan in 1998, it was an unexpected experience, a big surprise. With the shaman I believe that I had some non verbal type of communication, also it felt like I was seeing everything with my brains and not my eyes, I still have it nowadays, specially before bed time if I focus on something and contemplate that for enough time, things start to happen, I do not know if I can consider it as telepathy because I am not really interacting with anyone, it is more like observing.

[Agape]

I think it’s mostly, naturally “opened” or as Target said “open function” in children, childhood and before various limiting educational trainings take over.
La Bella Verte is beautiful movie and example of how the whole “function” is pure and natural.
It may require tuning rather than some complicated training.

As with most other brain functions, the more gentle you are, the results improve.

Use of force, tricks, drugs, methods ( and finally look at how far today’s medical science can go to inserting electrodes to peoples brains or hooking them to neuralink and computers) can bring fast and dramatic revelations but is inevitably almost always risky.

Because it’s a natural function. For anyone “getting lost” on complicated spiritual or psychological pathways, I wish they could plainly remember who and how they were as children “before it all started” that is before anyone started to play role with them including their parents.

Even by mimicking the same type of behavior we develop “controlling brain function” or “parent-child paradigm”.
It’s when the first schism occurs, between the “original self” that’s almost “no self at all” and “the other self” that is parental self posing as “proper self”.

In reality, the original “self no self” has almost no agenda but any of the “parental selves” does. The difference at the beginning( and ends) of their superimposed relationship is ridiculously simple :) Parental self “always knows better” (by default) and whether you want to eat orange or not.
It comes with conviction of the original “self no self” not knowing whether you wanted to eat orange, at right place and time or perhaps even, “what orange is”. :)

( If you find yourself confused about eating particular thing later in your life repeatedly, try to recall and forget the control mechanism attached to it. It can be simply confusing )

There may be the point when one of the first “brain control mechanism” is introduced, by parent or another adult in hierarchically superior role and by controlling brain function to confirm with certain pattern of response,
the natural function is antagonized, agonized and as we say, blocked.

Controlling patterns work through whole range of brain chemistry releasing both “excitation hormones” such as serotonin and “calming hormones” such as dopamine at once, hence we talk of carrot-and-stick, reward-and-punishment module.

The excitation of “confirmatory response”, that’s like “being a good pupil” or “fitting to collective pattern” or even “being understood” then replays for most of our productive human lifetime.
The natural, simple function of amygdala that is function of subtle and immediate discernment we call direct insight or “all seeing eye” is forgotten and overshadowed by the importance of “excitation”.
That’s how many people trying to use drugs or forceful methods “to seeing” never get there even if they turn very creative or productive in the meantime.

It’s when Buddha meditated on the reality of human suffering for long time before he could actually, accept the reality and see through the causality of it from higher intelligence point of view- function is very good term for it - without the excitation and slipping to confusion.

Of course we all need that time too to return to our unaltered “functions”.



😊

[Old Student]

There is a thread - not sure if it was initiated by Constance or Innocent Warrior - called "Experiencers: Sharing, Exploring and Learning Together". Its a great thread and there are a lot of posts of personal experiences of higher consciousness, phenomena, etc. etc. Really worth reading.

Thank you! I have read up through most of page 4 so far. I have been finding a lot of the experiences quite dark. Maybe it is because most of what happens when I shake is founded on bliss, or maybe for some other reason, I have mostly had less dark experiences.

[Old Student]

Getting more of my bearings through reading up on the subject was a slow process.

I'm finding this out as well.


Yes, telepathy is real. The future can be foreseen in glimpses before it comes to pass. Ultimately everything is energy and all is connected as one. There are other dimensions which we can't normally sense. We can go there and do our thing. Let go of your ego and really free yourself. The speed of light is pedestrian compared with the speed of thought which is point to point instantaneous irrespective of distance. Aaah, the stillness, bliss and mind-boggling everything and nothing of infinity. And so on.

Some of this resonates, not all of it. The connectedness and energy and let go of ego resonates. I have no experience of telepathy and part of why I started this thread was because I'm somewhat apprehensive of it, and wondered what it is like and whether it's a given with the third eye opening.

[Old Student]

Remember that the elite use the triangle in the pyramid and the
third eye as symbols of something only they know about, supposedly.

Thanks. The elite use lots of symbolism that is arcane and esoteric sometimes to just frighten people away. I once had a famous elite get into a discussion with me using so much jargon in odd ways (infinite dimensional manifold of eigenspaces, etc., when a simpler term was available, it wasn't very scary that there were infinite dimensions in this particular instance but he was trying to frighten me away from "big thoughts". Three weeks later, after he had cost me my funding with such talk, I proved him to be wrong (math wrong -- as in what he had said was false).

I am on a collision course with the third eye/pineal gland whether I like it or not, so getting into it isn't my choice right now, I am just scrambling to be informed.

[Old Student]

I joined the open body thread, another good one I never ever heard about shaking exercises in order to allow this sort of things to happen, I will read about, thanks for that.

In my case, it is literally what it sounds like. I shake. I've seen things like ERT therapy where they induce it, I first did it doing standing, which is a standing form of meditation, and is strenuous enough that sometimes your arms, legs, or torso will shake. Instead of quelling it, I let it go and followed it where it would. I learned how to induce it for a few minutes at a time, and then found if I did it starting from a hypnagogic state (falling asleep or waking up) it worked much better and I would have prolonged experiences.

It's also, in my case, combined with bliss -- with redirected or mental orgasm. I had to learn how to do that, it involves getting control of some normally autonomic muscles, but once mastered is quite easy.

The Dakinis just started showing up at one point. They are very much like what the Tibetan Buddhists call "guru deities" or "wisdom dakinis", they teach and train -- the biggest difference is that the Tibetans visualize them, and for me they just showed up. It really is teaching and training, I've had to exercise a lot of muscles to work different ways and learn to have certain mental states. Dakinis are dancers, if you google "Dakini" and choose "images", you will see pictures of them.

What is "awake dreaming"?

[Old Student]

Thanks, Agape.


Use of force, tricks, drugs, methods ( and finally look at how far today’s medical science can go to inserting electrodes to peoples brains or hooking them to neuralink and computers) can bring fast and dramatic revelations but is inevitably almost always risky.

Because it’s a natural function. For anyone “getting lost” on complicated spiritual or psychological pathways, I wish they could plainly remember who and how they were as children “before it all started” that is before anyone started to play role with them including their parents.

This makes it feel less threatening, if it is truly returning to how we are as children then it is not at this point scary. I have been worried about all of the accounts people have written about things like clairvoyance, about having so much trouble adjusting to new ways of sensing others that people have breakdowns, etc.

It is going to happen: The "cleaning out" that is happening in my shaking/training is getting closer and closer to that point in my head. Right now, it has reached a point just above my palate.

[Hermoor]

Hi Old Student,

Good luck with your journey of discovery and thanks for taking my mind to sunnier climes away from all of this virus garbage.

This man's work was a welcome and helpful pit-stop on my own journey of self-discovery. England's Phil Langdon. His experiences are in some ways markedly different from my own. Yet there are many similarities which helped me to tune my bearings for navigation. Perhaps have a good rummage around his material and see if it rings any bells for you?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Mrmorlam1/videos

I understand how Target would call part of the journey 'ego death'. It is apt. Somehow 'dissolution' seems more appropriate for my own experience too. I'd say my ego dissolved more than anything else. On rare occasions it undissolves for fleeting moments before being sent packing again. :Angel:

[Hermoor]

It's perhaps also worth mentioning that Phil Langdon wasn't taking ayahuasca in the Amazon. Or abducted by aliens. Or pfaffing about like that Crowley character. Or meditating in a Himalayan cave for 20 years to achieve enlightenment.

His third eye opened kinda naturally and spontaneously. Like it was just its time to do so and so it did. Similar to myself. Initially mine opened in the aftermath of a loved one's passing.

All manner of things can present you with those spiritual doors. You just have to decide whether or not to walk through them and to what purpose. Bon voyage and please manifest 'sunny' stuff for yourself and others. We need all the sunny stuff we can get.

[Luke Holiday]

Two times...it feels like small crackings inside the skull.Very pleasant and unusual.

... just curious ... care to share - what - if anything happened during or after?

Blessings Luke

[palehorse]

I joined the open body thread, another good one I never ever heard about shaking exercises in order to allow this sort of things to happen, I will read about, thanks for that.

In my case, it is literally what it sounds like. I shake. I've seen things like ERT therapy where they induce it, I first did it doing standing, which is a standing form of meditation, and is strenuous enough that sometimes your arms, legs, or torso will shake. Instead of quelling it, I let it go and followed it where it would. I learned how to induce it for a few minutes at a time, and then found if I did it starting from a hypnagogic state (falling asleep or waking up) it worked much better and I would have prolonged experiences.

It's also, in my case, combined with bliss -- with redirected or mental orgasm. I had to learn how to do that, it involves getting control of some normally autonomic muscles, but once mastered is quite easy.

The Dakinis just started showing up at one point. They are very much like what the Tibetan Buddhists call "guru deities" or "wisdom dakinis", they teach and train -- the biggest difference is that the Tibetans visualize them, and for me they just showed up. It really is teaching and training, I've had to exercise a lot of muscles to work different ways and learn to have certain mental states. Dakinis are dancers, if you google "Dakini" and choose "images", you will see pictures of them.

What is "awake dreaming"?

I did try to intentionally "shake" for a few minutes, It gave me a joint pain and a huge sweating.. i guess I am doing it wrong :confused: Do you any special advice?
I very often practice standing meditation sometimes 3 or 4 times a day, about 10 minutes each session, the good thing is you can practice it basically anywhere. Do you feel pain when you shaking? In my case the joint pain vanished after a few minutes.

Yes, I can confirm that about taking control over some muscles, specially when over breathing (hyperventilation) and under breathing (hypoventilation) with chest breathing and diaphragmatic breathing, today I am able to do some Apnea, it is been very beneficial to me, because I like to swim and dive in the sea.

Interesting about Dakinis, when I first started learning about Buddhism, it was the Mahayama Tradition, but what I was really looking into was the removal of all attachments and images and all the religious paraphernalia and not to add some more into my life, I was looking for something raw but not quite shamanism, something else, then I finally found the Dhyana or Jhana meditation in Hinduism but still not what I was looking for, then I found the connection between Dhyana meditation and the original Buddhism from Siddhartha Gautama and a branch/tradition called Theravada which was exactly what I was searching for, it was raw, no images, sounds or pungent odors, nothing like that, just Dhamma, since then I have been practising it regularly and it helped me in many ways.

Sitting meditation sessions in the beginning was all about pain, probably because I had not used enough some of the muscles in my back for a prolonged period of time, I endured the pain for over 2 years, now I feel great, there is no pain and I can sit meditation for many hours, in fact i seat in lotus position when working in from of computer and it helped a lot, I dislike arm chairs, it is just to comfortable, I can fall sleep easily.. ;D

"awake dreaming" is how I call that state under the influence of Ayahuasca, not the best term but that's what I came up with because it is the combination of awake + dreaming ..

[Luke Holiday]

I also read what I could about its characterization as the Third Eye, and looked at information about the ajna chakra, about the convergence of the nadi there, and because of its location, I have had a lot of time spent with the focus of my concentration on the place where the gland/third eye is located, but don't have any idea whether any of my experiences of that spot are "Third Eye".

Anybody that has "opened" their third eye or pineal gland that wants to write about their experience?

I'm mostly interested in the experiences, how to get there isn't an issue for me personally, but other's mileage may vary. I'm by nature inclined to Eastern spiritual matters, but I'll take anything right now.



Personally, I have found it extremely difficult to obtain what you are asking for.

The paradox in getting those with an opened third eye to talk about their experiences might best be exemplified by this epic Lao Tsu quote:


"Those who know - do not speak. Those who speak - do not know.."

The following quotes regarding Spiritual progress from Parmahansa Yogananda might be apropos here:


A common cause of spiritual discouragement is the devotee’s expectation that God’s response will come in a great blaze of awe-inspiring inner illumination. This erroneous notion dulls the devotee’s perception of the subtle divine responses that are present from the very beginning of one’s meditative practices.

God responds to the devotee’s every effort, every devotional call. Even as a novice, you will realize this in your own seeking if you learn to recognize Him as the quiet, inner peace that steals over your consciousness. This peace is the first proof of God’s presence within. You will know it is He who has guided and inspired you to some right decision in your life.

You will feel His strength empowering you to overcome bad habits and nurture spiritual qualities. You will know Him as the ever-increasing joy and love that surges deep within, overflowing into your everyday life and relationships.

... With that written, I would like to share the following experiences I have had in meditation while focusing on the space between the eyebrows commonly referred to as the third eye.. Please note, I am quite certain that I do not possess an open third eye - yet it remains something that I continually strive for.

The experiences are:


1. A dancing ball of deep blue, indigo or violet light is frequent
2. A deep sense of peace, calm confidence, connectedness is experienced daily during/after meditation.
3. Occasional incidence of clairsentience - (defined as a inner knowing about something in your life)
4. Very rarely have had brief visions usually related to nature, guru etc...
5. Not so rarely, following deep meditation - Vivid dreams relating to issues in my life - often with indirect or very direct answers.
6. Heightened "Bull**** Meter" - just know when your being lied to

Lastly, if you look at my AVATAR: It is referenced as the Spiritual Eye by the Self Realization Fellowship- which is the Primary Worldwide organization associated with Parmahansa Yogananda's teachings on Kriya Yoga.

The Spiritual Eye symbol is part of a visualization done at the Christ Center (the space between the eyebrows) while performing the KY techniques and/or in meditation. I have heard that when the third eye does open this symbol is often present and the goal of the meditator is to merge his consciousness into the central white star. (Interestingly, I believe this could be interpreted as the MerKaBa - mentioned in other teachings (Drunvalo Melchezadek, DW, Thoth, ETC...)

Briefly, The essential aspects of Kriya Yoga involve a set of techniques that allow one to enter deep meditative states more easily. The KY techniques are primarily centered around posture, breathing, visualization, prayer/chanting and are extremely easy to learn/master while seamlessly fitting into any established religious/spiritual practice.

..hope that helps...

Best of luck in your spiritual practice

Blessings Luke

[greybeard]

Many different paths leading to "One" result.
Even the desire for the opening of the third eye is perhaps an obstacle.
The ego would love to talk about it --superiority!!

The opening to the third eye is a by product -- it opens or it does not, this is not a necessity for self realisation.
There is a book "When you can walk on water, take the boat" this kinda sums it up.
The student spent years learning to walk on water-- the Master thought it a waste of valuable time.
Neity neity and meditation probably most helpful for the spiritual aspirant.
There may be helpful encouraging signs on the way but thats not it.
There may be instant Enlightenment as in the case of Ramana Maharshi or Eckhart Tolle--even those mature, evolve.

Or for most, a gradual falling away of all that is not your True Self.

Chris

[EFO]

Two times...it feels like small crackings inside the skull.Very pleasant and unusual.

... just curious ... care to share - what - if anything happened during or after?

Blessings Luke

Before it happened or after I can't remember it pass to much time, I was somewhere 16/17 years old.I tend to believe that it happened before...In any case first "cracking" happened in the same place when the following event took place.

I was heading in the morning to school on the same very low circulated street heading to the intersection,it was late October or early November,I raised may left hand and lowering my sighting to look at my mechanical wrist watch,it was 7:50 AM.The scene was closed in a total darkness,not feeling left,right,up or down,anything total darkness and emptiness.The scene is reopening finding myself near the corner on the other street heading to the same intersection lowering my arm as I looked to the watch as it was the same 7:50 AM.I stopped and looked back questioning myself,how did I get there since I was on the other street.

The streets have the h form,but flipped to the right.The intersection is when the curved line of the letter meet the straight line.The distance from where I entered into that darkness until I get out is about 200 meters/600 feet.How did I get from point A to point B in 0 time I don't know.Two or three years ago I heard about mini black holes that could occur and could be a possible explanation,but it doesn't fit with my experience.Still looking and waiting for answer...

Second time when the "crackings" happened it wasn't so powerful as the first time and I don't remember something happening before or after...I was about 27/28 years old if I remember well,but I'm not sure.

If it help you more,I'm RH negative...

[Old Student]

Good luck with your journey of discovery and thanks for taking my mind to sunnier climes away from all of this virus garbage.

Almost anything is a sunnier clime than that.

Thank you, Bullseye, for the Philip Langdon links. I had watched one of his videos before, I am grateful to have them all linked.

[Old Student]

His third eye opened kinda naturally and spontaneously.

Mine would be opening naturally, but I can't really say spontaneously. I've been doing shaking for about a year and a half, and it's pretty much instruction and training, and this appears to be the next step. I started the thread because I'm apprehensive about it, actually. But right now it's literally a breeze -- I was dissolved into a breeze in my room, now I'm supposed to figure out how to duplicate that. That's what I mean about training. They show me something and I learn how to do it myself -- including evaluation and correction -- just like being in class, except that the instructors are guru Dakinis and the subject matter is often ineffable.

[Old Student]

Thanks, palehorse. Second things first:


...then I found the connection between Dhyana meditation and the original Buddhism from Siddhartha Gautama and a branch/tradition called Theravada which was exactly what I was searching for, it was raw, no images, sounds or pungent odors, nothing like that, just Dhamma, since then I have been practising it regularly and it helped me in many ways.

So in October of 2018, I was that guy, no nothing, just Buddhist/Daoist meditation in standing, with a breath meditation that is a form of the microcosmic orbit called "wind circle standing", the microcosmic orbit in question being just cycling breath from dantian down to huiyin and up the back to the crown, then on exhale bringing it down the front and then back up in the center. Near the end of October, I did a "perfect" meditation -- I carried the breathing with perfect concentration and perfect position for the whole standing (in that case, 1 hour, I usually do 40 min. now). I keep my lids in semi-closed position (I used to sit zen, including at the Zendo), and with them in that position at the end of my standing I could see myself -- only smaller, clear, and green, and female -- inside myself. I kept my lids down and even closed them and I could see myself that way while I walked around the house, did chores, took a shower, the whole time in that green clear body, and the whole time able to see because that body could see, I could clearly see the rooms, I could see the soap and the water in the shower, etc. It lasted about an hour and a half.

In March of the next year, I had amassed what I could of literature about mostly Tummo, but about Vajrayana in general as well, and I put together a series of experiments to try to figure out what I was supposed to do next. I had a (not super huge) Kundalini awakening experience, and in April/May I began shaking.

So I do know what you mean about a clean, simple Buddhism. I just guess it wasn't to be in my case.


I did try to intentionally "shake" for a few minutes, It gave me a joint pain and a huge sweating.. i guess I am doing it wrong Do you any special advice?
I very often practice standing meditation sometimes 3 or 4 times a day, about 10 minutes each session, the good thing is you can practice it basically anywhere. Do you feel pain when you shaking? In my case the joint pain vanished after a few minutes.

Okay, I normally stand longer than that. I've seen that kind of standing taught by various people and on the internet, I learned standing as part of Liuhebafa (six combinations and eight methods, an internal martial art), and we had to do it for an hour, which it took me a year to work up to the first time. I have done my decade (this was one goal, 1 hr./day for 10 years), and have been standing off and on for 45 years. If you start at 15 minutes, and work up, there are some significant changes at 20 min, 1/2 hr., 40 min, 1 hr. Your body will become very fluid.

I initially shook for only a few minutes at a time, and I did it therapeutically. It doesn't hurt if you go with it, but you have to "listen". Listening (聼, Ting, in standard Mandarin). I don't know if you have ever done anything like Taijiquan (T'ai Chi Ch'uan in old transliteration) but they have an exercise called pushing hands. You face an opponent and you circle back and forth with arms touching and you try to "listen" to your opponent's stiff places and what they are about to do that they can't conceal, and then kind of "ride" it with a little push to make them topple over.

When you shake, you have to be listening to yourself the same way, and when you encounter an obstacle, a block, a tension, you have to find your way inside of it and it will pull loose like strands of yarn being untangled. When that happens the joint or muscle will feel very good. If you don't resist when you shake, it should not hurt, it should feel good. If you want to get your whole body involved, do it lying on a bed so you won't be worried about falling or hitting something.

Hope this helps. I did write up all of that experimentation and my initial shakings at Dao Bums, here (https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/575-old-student/). Look at Learning to Keep Breathing and Whole Lotta Shaking Going On -- both from a year ago last March/April/May.

[Old Student]

The paradox in getting those with an opened third eye to talk about their experiences might best be exemplified by this epic Lao Tsu quote:

"Those who know - do not speak. Those who speak - do not know.

."

智者不言，言者不智。 Laozi, 56, first line. In Chinese, it's one particle short of being an anagram.


A common cause of spiritual discouragement is the devotee’s expectation that God’s response will come in a great blaze of awe-inspiring inner illumination. This erroneous notion dulls the devotee’s perception of the subtle divine responses that are present from the very beginning of one’s meditative practices.

Other's mileage may vary, but I am not "trying" to have this experience, it is going to happen whether I like it or not, so that is actually the reason I am wondering what it is like -- apprehension, not desire.

Most people don't seem to be relating negative experiences, yours seem positive, so I am heartened. The one which worries me is the notion of clairvoyance, and it worries me with respect to knowing things that would disturb me about others, or becoming insensitive to others because of knowing things.

To be fair, so far, all that has happened is that I have had to be a breeze, and I have talked to some crows. So I'm so far not having a bad time.


Best of luck in your spiritual practice

Blessings Luke

Thank you for that, Luke. BTW, I have a relative who is an avid member of a Ramkrishna mission.

[Old Student]

The opening to the third eye is a by product -- it opens or it does not, this is not a necessity for self realisation.

Thank you for that, Chris.

In my case, it is part of the training, so I don't know what relationship it has to any final goal, because I do know that I am becoming more "yogic" (more control of muscles and nerves that are usually autonomous), I do know I don't seem to need a "self" a lot of the time, I do know there is an immediate goal and a more distant goal, but I have no idea where it is all going beyond that.

[Old Student]

The distance from where I entered into that darkness until I get out is about 200 meters/600 feet.How did I get from point A to point B in 0 time I don't know.Two or three years ago I heard about mini black holes that could occur and could be a possible explanation,but it doesn't fit with my experience.Still looking and waiting for answer...

This sounds awesome! I have had the experience of moving from one position to another with no in-between, but it was a "blanking" because my apartment was being struck by lightning. 200m is a long way to move in zero time. Black holes are not the answer, they crush anything made of matter down to the subatomic level.

[Luke Holiday]

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The paradox in getting those with an opened third eye to talk about their experiences might best be exemplified by this epic Lao Tsu quote:

"Those who know - do not speak. Those who speak - do not know.

."

智者不言，言者不智。 Laozi, 56, first line. In Chinese, it's one particle short of being an anagram.


A common cause of spiritual discouragement is the devotee’s expectation that God’s response will come in a great blaze of awe-inspiring inner illumination. This erroneous notion dulls the devotee’s perception of the subtle divine responses that are present from the very beginning of one’s meditative practices.

Other's mileage may vary, but I am not "trying" to have this experience, it is going to happen whether I like it or not, so that is actually the reason I am wondering what it is like -- apprehension, not desire.

Most people don't seem to be relating negative experiences, yours seem positive, so I am heartened. The one which worries me is the notion of clairvoyance, and it worries me with respect to knowing things that would disturb me about others, or becoming insensitive to others because of knowing things.

To be fair, so far, all that has happened is that I have had to be a breeze, and I have talked to some crows. So I'm so far not having a bad time.


Best of luck in your spiritual practice

Blessings Luke

Thank you for that, Luke. BTW, I have a relative who is an avid member of a Ramkrishna mission.

Most people don't seem to be relating negative experiences, yours seem positive, so I am heartened. The one which worries me is the notion of clairvoyance, and it worries me with respect to knowing things that would disturb me about others, or becoming insensitive to others because of knowing things.



The one negative aspect I could imagine would only come from an egoic perspective where aspects of one's life such as: friends, family, job, mate, residence etc.. no longer work for them. This may require adopting a soul perspective in order to create a life that synchronizes with one's shift in awareness.


To be fair, so far, all that has happened is that I have had to be a breeze, and I have talked to some crows. So I'm so far not having a bad time.

.. Wait what? ... Could you please elaborate on the experience of talking to crows?


Blessings Luke

[Old Student]

Wait what? ... Could you please elaborate on the experience of talking to crows?

Okay. The night before last, I was evincing some of the same apprehension about opening out at the pineal/third eye to the Dakinis during my shaking. I was doing so because the night before, they had "flung" an experience of being the breeze, the whole breeze in my whole room at me, which I had thought was just a joking thing about "try this!" and make me do a thing that went outside of my body, like what I have worried about. So then the night in question, they were getting ready to assign the breeze thing as my next training exercise (I tried it last night and today and didn't even crack it a little bit). They sensed my apprehension and pushed outward from the place between my shoulder blades which is lately a lot of bird feathers but expands, if it is going to do so, into being either partly or all a golden eagle. They did this until I was completely "swirled up" as an eagle and showed me some broken trees. Then she said, "“You didn’t mind it so much when you were dealing with the crows.”

I hadn't even remembered it.

A few weeks ago, the tops of our trees broke off, and a large (?) murder of crows moved in and kicked out our usual birds and were breaking off bits of tree and flinging them all over the yard. They started to caw one morning while I was doing my shaking (must have been a Saturday to have been so light out and me still shaking), I drew myself up as I mentioned above, into full-on eagle, opened my mouth (beak) and told the crows that this place was mine to protect and I was keeping it for the smaller birds, and they should leave.

The crows left immediately and haven't been back since.

So apparently I talked to some crows.

[Hermoor]

Many different paths leading to "One" result.

Yes. There are many different paths to the top of the same mountain.


Those who know - do not speak. Those who speak - do not know.... The one which worries me is the notion of clairvoyance, and it worries me with respect to knowing things that would disturb me about others, or becoming insensitive to others because of knowing things.

The first part is stereotypically a notion of wisdom. Being a walking contradiction I like to view it from a different angle to see how the suit might otherwise fit. It sounds a bit like actually being an ancient mystery school/secret society mantra for don't spill the beans, LOL! Our club, our knowledge and no outsiders kind of thing.

Clairvoyance in the context of pineal opening, etc? You're in charge of it. You give it the context, shape and purpose of your choosing if you want to. Don't accept any interference from others which is undesireable to you.

Intermittently I've had glimpses of deja vu and seen glitches in the matrix my whole life. It's never been a big or regular deal for me. I feel curious about them more than anything else. They usually take a while to interpret and some I can't or don't interpret at all. Clairvoyant experiences in the spiritual dimension, in my own experience, are much the same.

[Hermoor]

The prelude to my pineal opening was at a time when I was also learning the basics of ayuverda with energy work, meditation and vegetarian cooking. I discovered Phil Langdon's work about 2 years after the event and it comforted me to know it was happening to other folks too. He and I have similar cultural backgrounds, ages and scientific interests. For a long time I have believed that eastern spirituality and western science need each other and are best fused together. Phil's take on this is admirable. Spirituality is the main event and science is perhaps merely the secretary observing and taking notes. Yet they do ultimately need each other for the full effect.

Shortly before I bumped in to Phil's work this was my first lifeline of note for really getting my bearings. Specifically chapter 8. It's fascinating reading. I don't care for its baggage. If the author or publisher were white hats or black hats or whatever the jackanory is with them. All I know is these things are reality and have been wielded in the highest corridors of global influence for millennia.

[Old Student]

It isn't read this way, but it could be read that insight is not words and words are not insight -- in keeping with the Laozi Ch.1 where he has parallel stanzas talking about the Dao and the Name (in the sense of an invoked name, the name which holds power over what it is naming according to Waley), Nothingness and Somethingness, and the Essence and the Form.

It is good to hear that clairvoyance, if it happens will be something I can control. So far, I just have been given exercises on extending past my body, specifically, merging with a breeze.

[Old Student]

Thanks, Bullseye for the resource.


For a long time I have believed that eastern spirituality and western science need each other and are best fused together. Phil's take on this is admirable. Spirituality is the main event and science is perhaps merely the secretary observing and taking notes. Yet they do ultimately need each other for the full effect.

I believe they complement each other, it's hard saying one is more or less a main event, they are both infinite and of infinite complexity.

[Agape]

Just had this experience the other day, it had to be Saturday here.

Noticed locally here in the Himalayas the sunlight has been more intense this year than in the previous years even though it’s technically rainy season since late June.
I’m not sure it’s high UV, sun intensity or both but whenever the Sun broke through our cloudy, rainy skies it felt exceptionally bright, this year.
On the day I went out and around it was raining since morning, with streams of water running down the mountains, good sign I thought. Afternoon when the rain stopped and sun came out in it’s full glory, the white spectrum of the light seemed so intense that with eyes opened or closed you could almost see the “negative film” like blue ghosts of people walking around elegantly in the fully lighted space.

It was beautiful experience in fact.

The butterfly that did not happen ...big white butterfly resembling one of those plastic decorations you see around a lot these days or an illusion of AI hanging on a cloth line in friends verandah, flapping in the wind, lifeless.

A form of illusion, an illusion of form.

His tiny blue soul probably ..jumped dimensions in flip of nanosecond.


Seeing these blue ghosts in the white light, almost, I have navigated to the “color invert” button on my phone. It can be found under “General settings”, “Accessibility” and “Display accommodations” in smartphone Settings.
Classic “color invert” turns even your best photos to negatives :)

There was more to see out of sudden. Temperature zones and life versus death. The rest of nuances we perhaps “see subliminally”. The picture was slowly complete.
I’m quite certain we see more than it seems and also the negative of what we seem to see.

It all together is a part of wholesome seeing of our spectral reality.


Cautions: The above experiment is only good if you are in good health generally , it should be avoided by people suffering from migraines, brain seizures or any other consciousness altering condition.
In case of experiencing discomfort, kindly return to your normal Settings soon as possible.


🙏🌈

[Old Student]

Afternoon when the rain stopped and sun came out in it’s full glory, the white spectrum of the light seemed so intense that with eyes opened or closed you could almost see the “negative film” like blue ghosts of people walking around elegantly in the fully lighted space.

Were these the people but seen as if through your eyelids, or were they other people not there in the usual scene?

[Agape]

Afternoon when the rain stopped and sun came out in it’s full glory, the white spectrum of the light seemed so intense that with eyes opened or closed you could almost see the “negative film” like blue ghosts of people walking around elegantly in the fully lighted space.

Were these the people but seen as if through your eyelids, or were they other people not there in the usual scene?

The same people walking around in the sunlight, did not notice any “extra souls”. Through eyelids ? Maybe behind the eyelids. On the retina, best what occurs to me. The phone too has “retina display”.This photogenic blue-white image emerges some time after you close eyes or “in between”, depending on the intensity of the exposure, I suppose.
It’s not very unusual experience but occurs in certain atmospheric conditions I’d think, heated air above desert maybe another example.

But yes at this time I was able to see those “blue images” quite clearly and it’s occurred to me should there be any purely “light beings” around of higher frequency it’s how we would see each other.

Reminded me of the sight of my 2002 ET Encounter in Bodhgaya but in those 4 hours I was completely engaged on the “flip side”.


😷

[Old Student]

The same people walking around in the sunlight, did not notice any “extra souls”. Through eyelids ? Maybe behind the eyelids. On the retina, best what occurs to me. The phone too has “retina display”.This photogenic blue-white image emerges some time after you close eyes or “in between”, depending on the intensity of the exposure, I suppose.
It’s not very unusual experience but occurs in certain atmospheric conditions I’d think, heated air above desert maybe another example.

So I had described, on the other thread, how the first time I perceived my clear body, I did things for about an hour and a half with my eyes closed because I could do them from inside from my clear body. External things during that appeared sort of the way solarized photographs do, with some of the colors bled out and false colored but generally pale with outlines. I couldn't help but notice the similarity to your description.

[Agape]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing Old Student. We get lots of sunlight exposure here in India ( but I try to avoid direct sun much as possible, having pale skin is no advantage and it simply makes me more tired in long run as opposite to people who get more energised).
My natural biorhythm used to be “night biorhythm” for many years, even while in Europe, I would go out in early evening hours after the light subsided and worked on computer evening or overnight too, it was my practice comfort zone. But had to tweak and adjust this mode due to years of travelling and speed of circumstances.

Still prefer the “twilight zone” the most, keeps my brain cool. Generally I find difficult to eat when the sun is out and most intense, think of peoples “hot lunches”? Not for me🙏
This is about 20 years lasting condition- experience of mine, back to the days of intense 6 year meditation retreat in the Kalachakra temple.

As long as the sun is out, I’m awake but little bit like in meditation mode :) feeling bit slowish and lethargic. When the light goes down, I wake up fully, like some people wake up in their mornings I suppose and start thinking better.


Good night 😅