Strategic Relocation

[Bill Ryan]

Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them — whatever that may be?

:flower:

[Andre]

You may have heard that here in Australia the police state has emerged in a big way, and that's true. We're fortunate in that we moved to the country a few years ago, about 1.5 hours from the East Coast, so we're not as exposed to the restrictions that city folks feel. Nonetheless, we're waiting to see how things pan out over the next year and if this totalitarianism continues, we're contemplating a move overseas to Bali (Ubud) or Thailand (Koh Phangan) because of the well established ex-pat communities there. Mexico is another option. So, it's a wait and see approach at present.

[Justplain]

We've moved north to our cottage, about 250 km northeast of Toronto. It's the highest elevation in the province. Has clean air and water. Our garden is producing a decent yield for the first time, and we are expanding it using Ruth Stout's permaculture methodology. We plan to stay here until the scamdemic is over. If they try to force vaccinate us we will run into the woods and take our chances there.

It doesn't appear that the scamdemic is lessening. All dissent has been snuffed in the msm. Despite the CDC admitting only 6% of the covid 'deaths' were from only CV, and despite acknowledgement that the tests can be 50% (or more) false positive, and Ontario only having less than 50 hospital beds occupied by CV patients (out of 32000 beds), emergency measures and mandatory face masking continues. I am not hopeful of an early, or positive, outcome from this false flag scamdemic.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I am hunkering down and staying put! I upped my food storage and my fall garden is in and producing. I completed my rainwater catchment plan and am working on the solid power. I am more than adequately armed so now for me it is just wait and see.

[thepainterdoug]

Its alway hard to theorize what one will do in a dire situation until it happens. I live alone right outside NYC and for now I will stay put. My son lives not too far away and where he goes I would go.

What kind of life do we want to live? How far can we slip and let go of what we have , had and now take as a given ?

I watched Terrance Malick,s film " A hidden Life" the other night. Chilling, and not far fetched to what were seeing slowly unfold now.

[mijatoca]

I almost quit my job back in 2011 in anticipation of 2012. Glad I didn't. I live in rural Ontario. Outside the local towns, but not that far. Have my own well, wood stove. Suppose things go real south and the cities are a mess. People dying and the survivors move out to find places like mine. I don't own a firearm and in Canada, that's not an easy task. Even if I did have some rifles, shotguns, handguns. How long would that last before a gang with more guns than me wipes me and my dog out. Maybe, a small community around me taking a stand. Then what?... In my opinion, you would need to get really far out of Dodge, with prep. My path will be to face whatever comes and trust my own self determination for survival as a truth. The rest will come. Elsewhere is not an option.

[thepainterdoug]

mijatoca/ i truly understand. I always remember the guy prepping for a hurricane in Florida who was killed falling off his roof in preparing
turned out the hurricane never hit his area.

[RunningDeer]

I’m grateful that I don’t have to worry about my son. I’m not feeling something catastrophic coming, or maybe I’m in denial. I haven’t put a lot of time in researching about “The Big Event”. I figured there’s nothing I can do about it. Just roll with the punches.

In the meantime, I’ve replenished my stash reserves and purchased certified organic seeds for sprouting and micro-greens. Extra filters for the Berkey Water (https://www.berkeyfilters.com) gravity feed system and single water bottles. They'll convert the streams and pond water in my area into safe drinking water.

I’m eating fresh fruits and vegetables while they are still available. I’ve fermented a lot of vegetables. Beyond that, I live each day like I have for so many years.

The bottom line is I’d drive myself nuts trying to prepare for every possible scenario. Where I am is the perfect place. I’ve lived a full life. It’s felt like five lives in one. When the time comes, my plan is to go out with full conscious awareness. But I don't foresee that happening any time soon.

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[TargeT]

Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them — whatever that may be?

:flower:

I played this game 7 years ago... nothing happend... I've drastically changed my mind on the extremity that can potentially occur based on events far removed from all our normal every day lives.

My conclusion was it is very very minor & after inspection... it seems to be mostly an energetic drain.

I will retain my "escape" property (that I happen to be lucky enough to have acquired) but I will not again indulge in that mentality (run and hide) instead I am in the heart of corruption (D.C.) and I will be me.

[Elainie]

Me, my house is for sale and I am moving to a small rural farming town (hopefully).

[RunningDeer]

I played this game 7 years ago... nothing happend... I've drastically changed my mind on the extremity that can potentially occur based on events far removed from all our normal every day lives.

Your comment reminded me of a post from January, 2020 when Dellght/ Maggie asked, "ARE we in a new world?" & also stated: "Becoming fearless is a key feature for me."

My response:

Mine is and it's ever changing. Mostly in subtle ways. I wish people could live the way it is for me. But most would be bored out of their gourd because they thrive on action packed gotta go, go, go.

Fearless is part of it. For me, fearlessness came from living through the darkest of dark and the scariest of the scary. In some ways it was easier when I understood less. I think of the fires I’ve walked through and come out the other side a new and improved model. But now? I’m smarter. I walk around them. The transformation still happens. Inner-knowing, knowledge, intelligence, creativity trumps fearlessness.

There was a time when I stockpile foods, medicines, alternative energy sources and the like. I’ve got a box load of batteries that've reached or are about to reach their expiration date. It was partly fear driven and it sucked up a lot of energy. I let it go when I came across a 3 minute clip of a movie taking about the same damn stuff that’s all over the internet today only it was produced 39 years ago!

Now? My corner of the world is the best it can be until things shift out there. And I’m not waiting around for it to happen.

I’m here for a physical experience until I am not. Subtle consciousness is learning how to partner up with bio-body and see what we see. So instead of batteries, I stockpile experience for myself and for those who weren't able to book a flight to 3D Planet Earth.

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/earthhug.gif

A Conversation about Reality - My Dinner with Andre (1981) (3 minutes)





“…has it ever occurred to you Wally that the process that creates this boredom that we see in the world now may very well be a self-perpetuating unconscious form of brainwashing created by a world totalitarian government based on money. And that all of this is much more dangerous than one thinks. And it’s not just a question of individual survival Wally, but that somebody who’s bored is asleep and somebody who’s asleep will not say “No.”.

“…See I think it's quite possible that the 1960s represented the last burst of the human being before he was extinguished and that this is the beginning of the rest of the future now that from now on they'll simply be all these robots walking around feeling nothing, thinking nothing, and they'll be nobody left almost to remind them that there once was a species called a human being with feelings and thoughts. And that history and memory are right now being erased and soon nobody will really remember that life existed on the planet.”

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[Gracy]

Me, my house is for sale and I am moving to a small rural farming town (hopefully).

Best of luck with that transition Elaine! :thumb: I'm already there for some time now, finally ready as can be, and in the the mean time life goes on as normal.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Have never considered moving since it's like "cows in a beautiful field of grass trying to break through the fence to get to the other side and the grass there is almost gone"

I have thought about what if's and realized that that what it is...IF'S
The powers that be are changing our perception of reality with all the rules, fear, more rules, continually adding more rules just to "not overwhelm the hospitals"
WHAT A HUGE JOKE!!!
In Alberta there are 26,500 nurses. 10,000 support I think they are called lpn's?? Correct me if I am wrong on the name.
There are 10's of thousands of support staff.
We haven't even counted the doctors AND there are 6 people in all of Alberta in icu. 123 in hospital with covid 19 and a few past on.

HOW IS THIS OVERWELMING the hospitals?

The minister of health for Alberta was on a talk show last week and was asked: "did the province save any money from hospitals not performing any surgeries etc.
His response was NO not a dime saved and the hospitals have been basically closed for 5 months and more.

In Alberta covid 19 is a complete SHAM!!

Ask where I would move???

I say stay where you know and stay where you are comfortable! The rest will play out around you as long as you don't buy into ALL THE FEAR MONGERING.

Enjoy the rest of 2020.
chancy

[atman]

Like Marco Stanley Fogg, in Paul Auster's novel Moon Palace, I live alone frugally. But unlike him, I am not in a big city, but in a small rural town, where I bought, some ten years ago, a century-old house that still needs much, much love, and where, every morning, I can hear the birds, the cows and even the horses. I have a gravity water filter, plenty of rice and beans, as well as a good collection of sprouting seeds. And so, unlike Mr. Fogg, I at least do not have to sleep on the ground in a place like Central Park, or to eat from other people's garbage.

If, this coming winter, I find myself without power and, even worse, with no access to the Internet, I have already decided what I will do. I will simply read book after book, perhaps even a thousand of them, before I need to throw them in the wood stove to keep myself warm.

And if the proverbial crap hits the fan and I start to lose my mind, I will do like Joe Biden and hide in my basement, where my many boxes of unread books are already arranged into imaginary furniture.

[scotslad]

Interestingly, there appears to be a housing boom in Scotland at the mo, with people from key city areas in England wanting to relocate to scottish rural areas now that they've discovered they can work from home. Many houses going for 5% - 20% over the asking price and if I recall currently no stamp duty on house purchases (until march 2021).

Today in the news, group meetings or gatherings of more than 6 people are now to be deemed illegal.

We're lucky and happy staying where we are up here North of the wall. the question I suspect for many will be in the detail of daily and monthly living costs. Don't forget - local community taxes and charges local governments (whichever country or county or province you're choosing) As many will be having and wanting to increase and charge local residents to help pay for the many changes, costs and financial burdens they've suffered during this year.

Just ensure for wherever you choose to relocate to that you factor that into your living and running costs as many country governments are looking for ways to recoup the billions of £ and $ they've given in furloughed wages, loans and other aid during this year - and it will come from the taxpayer/general population and self employed to fund/repay.

Stay or relocate? One thing's for sure - Life regardless of a pandemic is always full of difficult decisions and winners are those who make them ;) But then again for many those major life decisions are not actually decisions but the realisation that the decision has already been made ;)

[CurEus]

I have 3 plans in Play.
I live in Toronto, Ontario Canada. Generally we are very blessed in many ways as it relates to weather, food supplies, power, fuel and most disasters seem to miss us.

My plans are as follows.
1. Staying in Toronto. I will refit my apt with some solar panels. As I am South facing and have windows the length of the entire apt and also my West wall I should have more than enough to charge battery banks for Fridge, heating etc......and alt fuel heaters and stoves should be here this week. Water is not a concern here. I have that covered. even in Winter the sun blazes through my windows and I will also look for options for heating and cooking needs. I have a boat and she is almost refitted for durability and reliability. I am also going to make a tiny home or buy a used RV/Mobile Home and place it on my friends property about a 2 hour drive North of Toronto. Am also buying sprouts etc and have made friends with farmers for produce and meats. May consider hydroponic garden. I have long term foods and am adding preserves of meats, veg, and have ordered dehydrated storage foods.some for my apt, boat and "retreat". Will sort out fuel storage and other energy needs shortly.

There is also a farm co-op staring that will allow housing to be built. It is bit of a technical and legal mess at the moment....it is just another back up plan. People here are a bit clueless but I and some other have noted that all of our major highways now have gates installed and Emergency Detour Routes. I expecting having an address registered out of the city to be a good idea as only area locals may be allowed out of the cities into the rural areas.

2. I am looking at properties in Panama, Ecuador and Peru and but I expect logistically setting things up there may be a challenge but doable. Would also consider buying an energy independent ocean going sailboat and would be in warmer climates between S. America and the Caribbean.

3. My other consideration is Portugal. Very very low cost of living. I am an EU national and passport holder so I have no travel restrictions and am allowed residency without any fuss. This holds true for all EU states. Again I would have to look at a lot of things to secure. and prepare for potential issues. Least of all is language...I plan on learning the language wherever I may settle.

I look to the "event" being a grand solar minimum or something with similar effects on weather, food production, geological changes, social unrest and the like. Other than what I have posted above I am starting flying lessons soon and may do an advanced course in emergency first aid. Like an advanced Ambulance medic with expanded trauma care it is like being a field surgeon, trauma nurse, army field medic. They generally serve in remote locations in Canada that do not have surgeons or doctors so provide all care and meds until a patient can be flown to a hospital. Good skills that most communities would appreciate.

I have been "aware" in some way of coming changes for over a decade so have learned what I can. I am not a fatalist. Be it asteroids, Solar minimum events, Earth changes I believe they are all cyclical...we have been through this before and we can get through it again. If you consider what I am doing..I am really just relearning the skills most of our great grandparents had. Self Sufficiency and expanded skills to help serve one's community.

Seriously, I'd rather be on my boat than stuck in some bunker...all in all I am almost done and have met great people, learned new skills and am having fun!

Oh and to close, I am selling my real estate this month and clearing out any debts I have.

[Brigantia]

Options in densely populated England with overpriced housing are few if you have limited means; round here is gently undulating landscape so there are no hills to run to. I'm fortunate to live in a village so it's very peaceful, no one here really went into a panic about the scamdemic and there is a great sense of community. I've got supplies to last until the end of the year and I'm getting plenty of water as I'm sure that panic buying will happen again soon, plus butane for my camping stove if the power goes off.

All that is prep for an event of human construction but if it's an event from nature or space, I'll take what comes. As my parents managed through the last war - and my grandparents through both wars - with courage and fortitude, I hope that I can too. As a great comment on the 'do we have a soul' thread said, we're souls in a meat suit.

[Adi]

They’re interesting questions, Bill!. If I am to be honest about what I will do, in circumstances which compel one to flee, desert, or relocate due to impending events – I think this will very much depend on the character of what is actually happening at a particular point in time. I have no hesitation to immediately leave and go where it is appropriate, but also I will give some time, if that is warranted, to contemplate the best course of action; sometimes being present at the heart of the lion’s den can actually be very interesting, possibly unwise to some, but I came here to be a witness and partake and that is what I am going to do if I can. I am fully aware my body will probably be indicating quite strongly that I could be in danger in such circumstances, but the body is an animal with an intricate and comprehensive seniority system, that’s what it does, it identifies dangers and threats and that is ok and being aware of that helps to sustain one those circumstances.
This is the way I tend to comprehend my reality here, the human sensitivities then the higher awareness, in between those are many other considerations too, but to be human in impending and urgent world events can be challenging, worrying, and confusing. It is clear to me from beyond my human self that what is happening is really very exciting and provides a great learning opportunity—that sounds very new ageist, but there really is truth to it, I am enjoying these times, they are tough and it is important to be a human participant and take part.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

The best preparation is a clear head and a peaceful heart. Simple- not easy.

[c0rv0]

Hi Bill,
we met 11 years ago, in 2009 at the Brussel conference.
On that time I shared with you my knowledge of things to come and how the so-called 'elite', the 'ET' and the '2012' process (yes, it's a process not an event) were all inter-related. After publishing my book Alien Apocalypse (not available in english), in 2013 I tried to participate to this forum, elaborating some of the contents.

More recently, I returned here to launch another warning: Tom DeLonge and TTSA are declared ambassadors of the MIC, working to expose the impact of Extra-Dimensional Materialized Entities (EME) on our life, but with the intent to establish a dictatorship to protect us from them.

This knowledge has had an impact on myself and my family.
We relocated in rural Canada, changing continent and lifestyle, 10 years ago. We have invested the last 10 years to become as resilient as possible. That include 100% production of energy, food, water, security and much more.

and yes, we also take care of our 'spirituality', in a way that is aligned to real esoteric knowledge (as opposite to 'new-ageism'). the one I was trained when I was a young boy.

Clearly that had an impact on my family and social life. My wife is an exceptional woman, that has supported the long years of sacrifices to realize what we have realized.
My children have become adult with the knowledge of horrible things to come, and the need to be prepared for it.

In the last 20 years, I have meet many people that were 'interested' to those topic, however only a little minority were ready to do anything. And when confronted with the harsh reality of what is necessary they inevitably decided to go back to the 'social accepted hell' that is normal life.

in conclusion my experience is that:
1. real relocation requires YEARS and a great amount of resources (inner fortitude, not money, being one that most lack of)
2. however it's possible to do it
3. My biggest failure is trying to establish a real community/collaboration spirit. Probably I'm not alone. If I'm not mistaken the original scope of this forum was to create communities
While that can depend on specific factors, probably the socialization to individualism is the main one, and without any major event that would delete the programming, opening the spirit for new societal forms.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,
we met 11 years ago, in 2009 at the Brussel conference.
On that time I shared with you my knowledge of things to come and how the so-called 'elite', the 'ET' and the '2012' process (yes, it's a process not an event) were all inter-related. After publishing my book Alien Apocalypse (not available in english), in 2013 I tried to participate to this forum, elaborating some of the contents.

More recently, I returned here to launch another warning: Tom DeLonge and TTSA are declared ambassadors of the MIC, working to expose the impact of Extra-Dimensional Materialized Entities (EME) on our life, but with the intent to establish a dictatorship to protect us from them.

This knowledge has had an impact on myself and my family.
We relocated in rural Canada, changing continent and lifestyle, 10 years ago. We have invested the last 10 years to become as resilient as possible. That include 100% production of energy, food, water, security and much more.

and yes, we also take care of our 'spirituality', in a way that is aligned to real esoteric knowledge (as opposite to 'new-ageism'). the one I was trained when I was a young boy.

Clearly that had an impact on my family and social life. My wife is an exceptional woman, that has supported the long years of sacrifices to realize what we have realized.
My children have become adult with the knowledge of horrible things to come, and the need to be prepared for it.

In the last 20 years, I have meet many people that were 'interested' to those topic, however only a little minority were ready to do anything. And when confronted with the harsh reality of what is necessary they inevitably decided to go back to the 'social accepted hell' that is normal life.

in conclusion my experience is that:
1. real relocation requires YEARS and a great amount of resources (inner fortitude, not money, being one that most lack of)
2. however it's possible to do it
3. My biggest failure is trying to establish a real community/collaboration spirit. Probably I'm not alone. If I'm not mistaken the original scope of this forum was to create communities
While that can depend on specific factors, probably the socialization to individualism is the main one, and without any major event that would delete the programming, opening the spirit for new societal forms.(This reply of mine is off-topic on this excellent thread, in which I want to encourage everyone to share their thoughts, experiences and plans, whatever they may be.)

c0rv0 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19505-c0rv0), yes, of course, I remember you very very well, and still have the photos you shared with me. :thumbsup:

Listen up, folks, and trust me: we should all pay attention to whatever c0rv0 shares with us. He knows a lot about a lot of stuff.

Might you start a new devoted thread about all this, summarizing your own knowledge and analysis all in one place, maybe (if you need to be low key) in the members-only (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?114-Members-Only) part of the forum? Or we can even firewall it a stage beyond that, and create a totally private invitation-only section.

As you well know, there's a great deal of anxiety and confusion flying around at the moment, and what you know and understand might help a lot of people if can be easily laid out. (Ha! Maybe not so easy. :) But you'll know what I mean.)

My very best to you and your family, as always. I'm very delighted indeed to see your post here.

:focus:

[Gwin Ru]

...

... the new gold rush...

"Demand Is Insane": NYC moving companies turn people away, suburban & rural housing snagged up, as big city COVID-exodus accelerates (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/demand-insane-nyc-movers-turn-people-away-suburban-rural-housing-snagged-big-city-covid)

Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/demand-insane-nyc-movers-turn-people-away-suburban-rural-housing-snagged-big-city-covid)
Wed, 02 Sep 2020 17:54 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s29/582426/large/New_York_City.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s29/582426/full/New_York_City.jpg)

© Getty


The pandemic-induced summer of escape from New York (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/escape-new-york-wealthy-residents-flee-droves-city-degenerates-hellhole) continues at a moment violent crime is on the rise, restaurant and public venue closures make the city less appealing, public transit is reeling in debt, and remote working set-ups are giving those with means greater mobility.

More worrisome trends... or rather signs of the times signalling that for many the gentrified Big Apple has, as one family recently put it, reached its (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/escape-new-york-wealthy-residents-flee-droves-city-degenerates-hellhole) "expiration date". Two separate NY Times reports on Sunday detailed that moving companies are so busy they're in an unprecedented situation of having to turn people away, while simultaneously the suburbs are witnessing an explosion in demand "unlike any in recent memory".

And then there's fresh data showing that during the pandemic Americans are fast getting the hell out of the more expensive "real estate meccas" of New York and New Jersey.

First, New York City movers are reporting a rush of customers so high it feels like "move out day on a college campus" (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/nyregion/moving-new-york-coronavirus.html?auth=login-email&login=email):
According to FlatRate Moving, the number of moves it has done has increased more than 46 percent between March 15 and August 15, compared with the same period last year. The number of those moving outside of New York City is up 50 percent — including a nearly 232 percent increase to Dutchess County and 116 percent increase to Ulster County in the Hudson Valley. "The first day we could move, we left," a dentist was cited as saying of the moment movers were declared an "essential service" by Gov. Cuomo late March. Her family moved to Pennsylvania where they had relatives.

And second, the Times details the unprecedented boom in the suburban real estate as an increasingly online workforce is fed up with closures in the city, losing its appeal and vibrancy.


https://www.sott.net/image/s29/582427/large/Suburban_Shift.png (https://www.sott.net/image/s29/582427/full/Suburban_Shift.png)

© National trends via Bloomberg


July alone witnessed a whopping 44% increase in home sales among suburban counties near NYC compared to the same month last year, as the report details (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.html):
Over three days in late July, a three-bedroom house in East Orange, N.J., was listed for sale for $285,000, had 97 showings, received 24 offers and went under contract for 21 percent over that price.

On Long Island, six people made offers on a $499,000 house in Valley Stream without seeing it in person after it was shown on a Facebook Live video. In the Hudson Valley, a nearly three-acre property with a pool listed for $985,000 received four all-cash bids within a day of having 14 showings.

Since the pandemic began, the suburbs around New York City, from New Jersey to Westchester County to Connecticut to Long Island, have been experiencing enormous demand for homes of all prices, a surge that is unlike any in recent memory, according to officials, real estate agents and residents. They're not just fleeing for the suburbs or upstate, but also to the significantly cheaper and lower cost of living areas of the country like Texas, Florida, South Carolina, and Oregon, or to rural areas.

COVID-19 is fast reviving American mobility on scales reminiscent of the mid-20th century. Bloomberg describes separately that (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/new-yorkers-flee-for-florida-and-texas-as-mobility-surges?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google&sref=dukn3Rgh) "Far more people moved to Vermont, Idaho, Oregon and South Carolina than left during the pandemic, according to data provided to Bloomberg News by United Van Lines (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/6905845Z:CN)."

Two charts via Bloomberg:


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"On the other hand, the reverse was true for New York and New Jersey, which saw residents moving to Florida, Texas and other Sunbelt states between March and July," the report finds (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/new-yorkers-flee-for-florida-and-texas-as-mobility-surges?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google&sref=dukn3Rgh).

General fear of living in densely populated areas, better enterprise video communications platforms making possible fully remote workplaces which in some cases are 'canceling' the traditional office space altogether, and a lack of nightlife or entertainment allure of big cities is driving the exodus.

In addition to the aforementioned states, "Illinois, Connecticut and California, three other states with big urban populations, were also among those losing out during the pandemic," according (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/new-yorkers-flee-for-florida-and-texas-as-mobility-surges?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google&sref=dukn3Rgh) to United Van Lines data.

SOTT Comment: The Covid fiasco plus riots in the streets have lead many to conclude what they should have a long time ago - highly populated urban centers are not the places to be when modern civilization is taking a nosedive.




Related:

Life imitates art: 'Footloose' comes to New York as Governor Cuomo bans dancing (https://www.sott.net/article/440233-Life-imitates-art-Footloose-comes-to-New-York-as-Governor-Cuomo-bans-dancing)



Paul Craig Roberts: Flight from New York (https://www.sott.net/article/439812-Paul-Craig-Roberts-Flight-from-New-York)



Escape from New York: Wealthy residents flee in droves as the city degenerates into a hellhole (https://www.sott.net/article/439636-Escape-from-New-York-Wealthy-residents-flee-in-droves-as-the-city-degenerates-into-a-hellhole)



New York City dumps homeless pedophiles in hotel near elementary school playground (https://www.sott.net/article/439472-New-York-City-dumps-homeless-pedophiles-in-hotel-near-elementary-school-playground)



Tucker: What happens to New York City matters to the rest of us (https://www.sott.net/article/439356-Tucker-What-happens-to-New-York-City-matters-to-the-rest-of-us)



I was born in New York, and I've never seen the city so scared and uninhabitable. I fear we're on the brink of a second civil war (https://www.sott.net/article/437785-I-was-born-in-New-York-and-I-ve-never-seen-the-city-so-scared-and-uninhabitable-I-fear-we-re-on-the-brink-of-a-second-civil-war)



New York City bows to cancel culture, passes budget with nearly $1 billion in police cuts (https://www.sott.net/article/437372-New-York-City-bows-to-cancel-culture-passes-budget-with-nearly-1-billion-in-police-cuts)

[atman]

And now part 2 to my previous post, which is all true (except perhaps the silly idea of burning my books to keep myself warm!) and which I meant as a bittersweet description of my current location and reality.

I have actually been thinking of relocating for a couple of years already. Dramatic scenarios like war, supply chain disruption and civil unrest are not what worry me, but the recent heavy-handed impositions by the "health" authorities have reinforced my wish to be elsewhere, to be in a different system, to be in a better place...

Ironically, where I live has all the potential of being idyllic. But despite the beautiful rolling hills and the clean water, despite the overall impression of peace, something is sorely missing: a sense of community and of camaraderie. Like in most of the big cities, where close neighbors often don't know or even talk to each other, most people in my rural area are very self-centered — something that has only gotten worse with the imposed social-distancing and mask-wearing in all public places (not to mention the attempt by the idiotic bureaucrats to make it mandatory within our own homes). In the event of a real crisis, however, I suppose that the sense of community would become alive, as it usually does...

In any case, here are the two main reasons why I will not try to relocate, for the foreseeable future:


the lack of financial means (a factor that is inescapable, no matter how idealist one is)
the fact that my 91-year-old mom requires daily attention (and love) from me, even though she now resides, 80 miles away, in a government-run senior care facility (I go and visit her frequently and I still spend many hours a day creating or putting together beautiful musical videos, that constitute the entirety of what plays on her TV, from morning to night)

I wrote "for the foreseeable future", but maybe not, because none of those two reasons are permanent realities, especially the second one. So perhaps I will follow my dream and end up relocating one of these days... after the coming storm.

In the meantime, I still have many boxes of unread books to unpack and to go through! :blushing:

[c0rv0]

Might you start a new devoted thread about all this, summarizing your own knowledge and analysis all in one place, maybe (if you need to be low key) in the members-only (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?114-Members-Only) part of the forum? Or we can even firewall it a stage beyond that, and create a totally private invitation-only section.

As you well know, there's a great deal of anxiety and confusion flying around at the moment, and what you know and understand might help a lot of people if can be easily laid out. (Ha! Maybe not so easy. :) But you'll know what I mean.)

My very best to you and your family, as always. I'm very delighted indeed to see your post here.

:focus:
sent a PM

[Heartsong]

A quote from my son: "The grass is just as green (or brown) on the other side of the fence."

[Craig]

I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,

I am very tired,

I don't mind popping off in the first lot of leavers from this planet when TSHTF and never hopefully return.

[TargeT]

I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,


stealing emotional energy requires a very good lie (easiest) or very impactful situation (hardest & least reaching in comparison).............................

so... yeah... my money is on 90% illusion

[chrifri]

A new devoted thread in the members-only sections, seems an excellent idea to me. As I have made a similar step as c0rv0, 9 years ago, I guess that I should be able to contribute to such a thread

[chrifri]

posted on the wrong thread, sorry

[RunningDeer]

I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,

I am very tired,

I don't mind popping off in the first lot of leavers from this planet when TSHTF and never hopefully return.

Some talk of this place as the illusion and the greater part of us is already at home. Where ever home is for you. They surmise that ”this event” has already happened and we’re here living it out until each of us is ready to awaken to our true selves, our true homes.

Some have chosen to stay behind to help with this transition. Though they may not be cognizant of it as yet. And the others that’ve passed in recent times have gone on ahead to help those that awaken in that split second and leap from here to home.

This illusionary matrix has about reached it’s sell-buy-date. The reason for the time differential is because it’s taking longer for some to awaken from their stupor. It’s not their fault. We’ve been heavily indoctrinated for eons and filled with toxins and poisons.

This is the last stop for those without light/soul/spirit. They will be no more because of their arrogance. They’re working over time to create as much havoc as they can to keep the levels of conscious awareness of the masses low enough for them to control this illusionary hole for as long as they can. Which is why we see hell breaking loose across the world. The tricksters need us to look outward rather than within. But the winds of change have served us well. “Wakey, wakey. Time to go home. Godspeed...”

♡

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I want to relocate to wherever I feel the best.
Lots of things to consider:
Did I volunteer to be here to help?
Whatever the reason to be here may be, am I doing a good job?
If I could return home to pure positive energy would I feel bad because I left something important unfinished?

It all has influence on how I feel.

Perhaps there are many timelines, realities, universes and illusions to choose from. And they all feel real.

Inner being where are you? I want clear dialog.

I suspect:

We all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creators eternal journey of creation and Self discovery.

Each of us is an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.

[DeDukshyn]

Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them — whatever that may be?

:flower:


I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia. The "why" part would be because since early this spring I had a strong feeling in my gut instinct that the last quarter of this year something disruptive is coming, without any further details, which was propped up by me hearing of other people sharing their instinctual feelings as well. I don't have a lot of fear and would probably normally disregard such ideas as just my ego getting a bit carried away, but this time it seems different.

But the big kicker for me was that a whole slew of things happened (most of them 'negative' like losing my job of 18 years in Calgary) to all line up in perfect timing for this to be possible, even probable (in case I wasn't getting the message or something) for me. I didn't even plan it -- it planned my participation. :)

When I arrive, I do plan on trying to prepare a bit to live "off grid" for a bit if the need arises, ensure I have good fishing gear, stock up on water (or see if I can run the well pump off a generator), gasoline, non-perishable foods, etc. I don't want to plan too much because planning too far ahead denies flexibility and for whatever is coming that may be needed.

I am spiritually practicing manifestation, being grounded, and centered, loving, and really trying to learn to listen my instincts clearly and stop second guessing them.

Getting to know the community, who has what resources / skills, etc and find like minded people in the area so as to start rebuilding needed systems immediately after this potential disruption (if it comes to pass - of which I am not 100% sure anymore)


My ex doesn't understand my plan at all, and is upset with me. I asked if her and the kids would consider trying to find a place out there, and she basically said there's no chance in hell.

[TomKat]

The universe is elastic to intent. Make your stand wherever you are and you will live as long as you are meant to.

[Sadieblue]

The universe is elastic to intent. Make your stand wherever you are and you will live as long as you are meant to.

That is what I intend to do, stay where I am, come what may. I have put back extra food, also did some veggie canning this season, I live outside of a small town, and my back yard is nearly an acre should my family and myself need to plow it up and grow food, already have seeds on hand, but I do these things anyway to a smaller extent, I live in a mountain area, so my roots are here, therefore I stand firm.

[araucaria]

A quote from my son: "The grass is just as green (or brown) on the other side of the fence."
Well, speaking from practical experience, it is a two-way process. The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because it has not yet been grazed. When the horse is moved there, the grass is browner on the other side of the fence because it has eaten all the green stuff. So you have a field where a horse is growing and the grass is disappearing and another field where the grass is growing and the horse is absent. It’s not a matter of choosing between them, they form a single system. While today’s meal is already here, the horse knows where its next meal is coming from.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia. I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?

[DeDukshyn]

I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia. I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?

Near a small town called 100 Mile House. Its about a 2 hour drive NW of Kamloops.

[mijatoca]

I want to relocate to wherever I feel the best.
Lots of things to consider:
Did I volunteer to be here to help?
Whatever the reason to be here may be, am I doing a good job?
If I could return home to pure positive energy would I feel bad because I left something important unfinished?

It all has influence on how I feel.

Perhaps there are many timelines, realities, universes and illusions to choose from. And they all feel real.

Inner being where are you? I want clear dialog.

I suspect:

We all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creators eternal journey of creation and Self discovery.

Each of us is an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.

Well said Ron

[Michi]

Wasn't sure whether or not to place this in the What's the 2020 October Surprise (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111797-What-s-the-2020-October-Surprise) thread and decided to put it here:

Initially I had booked a flight for short holidays in Switzerland end of April this year and then Corona came and my flight was cancelled.

With my country's politicians being 100% dedicated to abide by the mask and distancing meme I considered more and more to emigrate and move to Switzerland.
So - I re-booked my flight soon after to beginning October.

Recently my return flight was cancelled but was able to re-book it for one day earlier.
My plan is to check for workplace and living while there - basically doing some prep-work.

Now I wonder if it's coincidence that my Switzerland trip happens to be beginning October.
Will I by sheer luck escape some dramatic event?

Yesterday here in Germany was some country-wide siren test (which flubbed mostly).
This test was a supposedly preventive measure by our government in case of floods, or other natural disasters.
To my mind came last years predictions by wnlight.
Maybe he was right after all?

If nothing happens in October, I will be travelling back to Germany and plan my future. Let's see.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia. I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?

Near a small town called 100 Mile House. Its about a 2 hour drive NW of Kamloops.Thanks, been there! Gorgeous place, surrounded by hundreds of lakes and a huge abundance of wildlife. :heart:

Something that did occur to me when posing the questions for the thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112020-Strategic-Relocation&p=1376898&viewfull=1#post1376898) was, OMG, I do hope people making fairly major life decisions (like relocating!) aren't doing so JUST because of information, thoughts and feelings shared on Avalon. That feels like quite a responsibility. :)

Maybe all those of us who are concerned about the near future are totally wrong. But it's interesting that many other smart and aware people out there are worried as well, urging proactive safeguards — even Chris Martenson in the final video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61QxWjRgbg) of his impressive 9-month Covid series from last night, which I'll comment on separately.

:focus:

[palehorse]

Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?
Who would like to, but figure they just can't?
Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?
What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)
Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them — whatever that may be?

I will be permanently relocating in 2021 perhaps before that as soon I get a shack in there. In 2014 I decided to move permanently to Thailand, I mean no back and forth to my home country anymore, and since then we lived for almost 2 years close to our land, rented a house in the nearest town about 20km away, and go almost everyday to work on the soil, clean up stuffs, soil compost, install water tanks and a small water catchment (roof like), also in the land there is no electricity or internet, I can't use electric tools and I have to rely on batteries or generator(which I do not have), I have an old solar system that I will use for the shack when it is ready.

Today I am living in south of Thailand, we have a daughter and she need schooling, this is another issue for us, because when we move permanently to the land, she will need to keep studying, the closest more or less descent school that I checked is about 50km, another Christian school some 85km, but that would be at least 100km driving everyday, without saying the waiting time.. I feel like I am watching a time bomb, and I am going to run minutes before it explode!!!

Well, me and my wife bought an acre of land in the western Thailand close to the border with Myanmar in 2013, with the possibility to acquire more if necessary (really good price, and no tourists, no major roads, no nothing), she already got her folks living there their entire lives, we always want to live in the "boonies" the corona scam is just speeding up the process.

I got farm land back to my home country it used to be a monoculture farm from my deceased old folks, my plan is to turn it into a permaculture project, that would be another option to us to live in case the Thai government decide to kick the foreign ass outside their country, but unlikely to happen, then I will stay as much as I am allowed to be.

I got issues about living simple, but it is not the kind of issue I really care about, most people that I know can not live the life style I do, and there will always be people criticizing this and that, specially the close ones. My wife is okay with that, she is a former nurse worked for 2 decades in a very busy hospital in Bangkok, and she got enough about the health system (corrupted as hell in her own words).

I hope everyone have a good plan, I know a person here and he lives inside his sailboat (I am not into boats at all, but this one seems to be a 12 meters long), this is another option and perhaps cheaper than moving to the country or somewhere else, sounds like a good plan to be floating around until things get better.

[Alberto e Daniela]

Hello Bill, it seems that some Avalonians were awaiting the opportunity to talk about a community. We consider that in these times it's important not only to look for safety and sustainability, but also to be in a group with other Souls, that you can call Friends. :heart: This has been underlined by some of the writers on this thread, who must be more sensitive to the topic.

We lived in a community between 2005 and 2012 ( in Paraguay ) , and although it didn't work out as we hoped, we have learned in the meantime, and we still believe that there is hope to meet like minded Souls, and support one another in times of difficulty.

We know of several groups and communities breaking up quickly, due to a lack of maturity, and inner work, and it became clear to us that it's not for everybody to live close to others, unless we have started to observe and eliminate our ego, so to speak. Only then you can feel enough love for Humankind, to see beyond the inevitable defects of others, and mostly to not let our own defects make their life too hard.

We have moved around the globe a bit in the last fifteen years, and after seeing various places we concluded that it's not really about the place, as long as you are close to nature, but it's mostly about the people. Very few, as it was observed here, are aware of what's going on in the planet, and of these, we should add, just a few are aware of what's happening inside of themselves.

If someone who lives in a favourable place, including Bill, wanted to have neighbours in their area, with whom to form a community, we are sure that many would consider this seriously, but it takes a catalyser to start the process!

Where to? We have a couple of ideas:

1. in Wales were is a law, called One Planet Developments, which allows to build your house on rural land, something normally impossible elsewhere in the UK, where a house in the countryside is just for the rich. Easier for work, lots of opportunities.
2. Ecuador, of course, where there is great freedom to build on rural land, along with lots of other pros (as Bill recently explained)... if you can have a job or your own activity there. In our case, something around electronic engineering, or setting up a school for the harmonious development of man!

All these possibilities, though, seem more interesting for groups of neighbours, otherwise may lead to loneliness :HELP!: : who doesn't want to see friends around, in a new country? :bearhug:

Being tired of paying a rent, we have recently purchased a house here in Yorkshire, with a bit of garden, and our pantry is well stocked, but we could sell quickly and move on if the opportunity arose.

In the meantime, it would be important to know and meet other Avalonians living nearby, in our case to meet other friends living in the UK. We're bang in the middle of the country, so consider yourself invited for lunch and a chat!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Shannon Farm (https://www.ic.org/directory/shannon-farm-community/) is an intentional community in Nelson County, Virginia a few miles from my home.

I wondered how an intentional community could function successfully because in 1990 I was entertaing the idea of this for the 68 acres I had recently purchased. My request for a visit was granted.

On the negative side I did not discover how to remedy dysfunctional behavior (drugs, alcohol, etc.) should it arrive.

On the plus side they used to (maybe still do) play adult coed naked volleyball in the summer (members only). Not a member, but volleyball was fun when I was younger. Great social opportunities.

[Alberto e Daniela]

3. My biggest failure is trying to establish a real community/collaboration spirit. Probably I'm not alone. If I'm not mistaken the original scope of this forum was to create communities
While that can depend on specific factors, probably the socialization to individualism is the main one, and without any major event that would delete the programming, opening the spirit for new societal forms.

Ciao Corvo! You are not alone in this. We don't know if the idea of creating community was part of Avalon's original project, but certainly there are some members who consider that important, as a natural next step to move beyond the current programming of separation between human beings.

By the way, for those who want to cultivate spiritual development, being part of a group with a common intent is a fundamental requirement.

We believe that to proceed in balance, one should cultivate the knowledge of what happens in the outside world and what happens in the inner one at the same time. This is off topic, anyway, but we'd be happy to communicate and have a chat to know each other.

In terms of pros and cons, how can you describe your area in Canada for a transfer from another country?

[Antagenet]

Anyone who is interested in relocating to Mexico, feel free to PM me.
I did it 20 years ago (from the USA) and it's one of the best decisions of my life.

[c0rv0]

[QUOTE=c0rv0;1376990]
In terms of pros and cons, how can you describe your area in Canada for a transfer from another country?
After 10 years of living here, our impression is that Canada is more and more going in the wrong direction.
Immigration is possible, if you have an high education, you are Jung and plenty of money. However building a community in the countryside is going to be a challenge and you can expect any type of opposition. Canada supports Agenda 2030, that is planning to empty the countryside, so no investments are done outside of big cities, that now hosts 70-80% of the population.
On the bright side, Canada is huge, so it's easier than in other places to find a piece of land where nature is still what is supposed to be.

Regarding the spiritual aspect of a community, while everyone agree in concept, when everyday life happens it's difficult for most to overcome a solipsistic socialization that is more rooted that most people think.
A community is what in sociology is called a 'total institution', as such requires from members a process of re-education, very different from the romantic idea some people has.

[TomKat]

Regarding the spiritual aspect of a community, while everyone agree in concept, when everyday life happens it's difficult for most to overcome a solipsistic socialization that is more rooted that most people think.
A community is what in sociology is called a 'total institution', as such requires from members a process of re-education, very different from the romantic idea some people has.

Writer James Howard Kunstler recommends relocation to small towns. He's been writing about it for years. Of course, writers and artists don't mind their own company.

https://kunstler.com/

[Ewan]

Today I am living in south of Thailand, we have a daughter and she need schooling, this is another issue for us, because when we move permanently to the land, she will need to keep studying, the closest more or less descent school that I checked is about 50km, another Christian school some 85km, but that would be at least 100km driving everyday, without saying the waiting time.. I feel like I am watching a time bomb, and I am going to run minutes before it explode!!!



Hi Palehorse, I have many questions I would like to ask but the above is first.

Why does she need schooling? How old is she currently? If the west is in a downward spiral, and a lot of signs seem to point in that direction then our future is not like our past; especially in the 'back to the land' scenario. Diploma's and Degree's may have far less relevance in the future.

I have two kids, both boys, one just turned sixteen the other soon to be eleven. They both already have all the maths and language skills they need to survive in an English speaking world, but none for anywhere outside that world - and no practical skills to survive any world.
They need to know how to use a screwdriver, an axe, a hammer. I have enough skills that I could build a rudimentary house, both sturdy and warm, I could break the land and plant a crop, make a fence line and direct water where I want it. They don't know aqnything of any of that.

There is a new education they need, and in my opinion a far more relevant one.

The same might apply to your daughter?

Other questions would be concerning Thailand, for instance visa's. My wife, born Bangkok but her family hail from Pha Yao region, says it is very difficult, now, for a foreigner to stay in Thailand more than a few months. I lived in Chiang Mai for 5 years at a time when you could just do border runs for a new visa, she seems to think all that is impossible now?

Hopefully we can share some pertinent information.

[palehorse]

Today I am living in south of Thailand, we have a daughter and she need schooling, this is another issue for us, because when we move permanently to the land, she will need to keep studying, the closest more or less descent school that I checked is about 50km, another Christian school some 85km, but that would be at least 100km driving everyday, without saying the waiting time.. I feel like I am watching a time bomb, and I am going to run minutes before it explode!!!



Hi Palehorse, I have many questions I would like to ask but the above is first.

Why does she need schooling? How old is she currently? If the west is in a downward spiral, and a lot of signs seem to point in that direction then our future is not like our past; especially in the 'back to the land' scenario. Diploma's and Degree's may have far less relevance in the future.

I have two kids, both boys, one just turned sixteen the other soon to be eleven. They both already have all the maths and language skills they need to survive in an English speaking world, but none for anywhere outside that world - and no practical skills to survive any world.
They need to know how to use a screwdriver, an axe, a hammer. I have enough skills that I could build a rudimentary house, both sturdy and warm, I could break the land and plant a crop, make a fence line and direct water where I want it. They don't know aqnything of any of that.

There is a new education they need, and in my opinion a far more relevant one.

The same might apply to your daughter?

Other questions would be concerning Thailand, for instance visa's. My wife, born Bangkok but her family hail from Pha Yao region, says it is very difficult, now, for a foreigner to stay in Thailand more than a few months. I lived in Chiang Mai for 5 years at a time when you could just do border runs for a new visa, she seems to think all that is impossible now?

Hopefully we can share some pertinent information.

Hi Ewan,

I am sorry for the huge delay answering it, I was busy with local stuffs here and no internet for many days, now I am back :D

To be completely honest with you, I am confused with all this on going situation, I just want to do the right thing to not have regrets later, and my daughter (she is 10 years old) is the most important issue I have to worry right now, I would like to give the best education for her, in all these years she went to different schools, some good, some bad, some expensive and bad, and now she is in a public school which is not that bad but still bad. I tried to do some home schooling for her a few years back and all I could teach her was logic and little math along with some geography and history, I am been telling her the world we live is not what it seems, it is a lot of illusion and scam out there, I talk about the major issues in the world and try to keep her attention at high levels most of her time, my wife call me a freak sometimes ahahaha

In regards to diplomas, degrees, etc.. I believe if she decided to go for the rat race one day, she will have to be integrated in the world reality/perceptions, a certification on something would do much better in less time, the world seems to require more and more specialists in certain fields, people with diplomas have a broad view of the whole thing, specialization is required to get certain jobs, this include myself, I worked as a programmer for 20 years, what I got from university was basically nothing (a piece of paper), and my last employers never asked a single time to see it, it was just like they gave a damm for my diploma. I started my MBA and dropped it in the middle because I saw no real use of it. You are correct about diplomas and degrees, totally agree with that, unless someone want to become an academic then it is another story.

I say YES, the same would apply for my daughter, and the good thing is, she loves the wild, we just didn't have the right opportunity to leave everything behind and start a new life. Those skills you mentioned are the most important ones, I will have sure to include it in my checklist, I am going to the process of build a shack in our land, my skills for that are poor at best, but I got some help and I am willing to make a good learning out of it, in regard of the crops, animals, water management and other stuffs, I guess I am good with, I have this teachings in my heart since I grew up in a farm, such things you never forget, it is like ride a bicycle.. The major issue will always be the weather, I saw relatives losing entire crops of soy beans and corn, because the rain came early that year and didn't stop in the right time, a week or less of over raining is enough to kill everything.

VISA
The VISA situation in Thailand is very complicated right now, there is no options for border run as far as I know, even if there was it would be cost and time consuming with quaratine in both sides nad certificates, and the bla bla bla, then it is a no go for obviously reasons. I myself am living here on a extension based on marriage, possibly to renew every year at the local immigration office, then I am not required to live the country every 90 days, instead I have to report my address of residence to the local immigration every 90 days, no big deal.

I was on a Non Immigrant VISA type (based on marriage - it is not an extension and you can get one of this only with embassies or consulates outside Thailand obviously) that I got from LAOS, VIETNAN and BURMA (worst place to get a visa, avoid at all costs), at the Thai Royal Consulate, it was a relatively cheap, easy and fast option to remain in Thailand for long period of time, but now none of these options seems to be reliable anymore, bottom line for those wishing to stay in Thailand for long term is to go to the local immigration office and do the proper paper work like I did, doesn't matter what is the situation (retired, married, students, medical tourist, general tourist, sports, etc..) I would recommend go to local immigration and sort out the paper work in order to remain legal in the country (Visa amnesty will not last longer - valid until 31st October 2020). For extensions based on marriage there is a requirement to show a bank slip with roughly US$13.000 (it has to be transferred to a Thai bank in your name and the money need to be sitting there for a minimum of 60 days), and for retirement visas it is US$25.000 in the bank (I am not sure for retirees it has to be a Thai bank) or a combination of incoming salary and money in the bank or just salary of at least US$1.300 (but then will be required a letter from the applicant's embassy to prove that income).

Remarks: I have a friend here and he is on a student visa, since he enrolled to learn Thai, the school did all the paper work for him for a fee of course, but still being an option for those wishing to stay at least a year, then renew the process, school will do all the work, basically the applicant has only to pay and provide the passport for the extension.

Another option is to find an agent to do all the paper work, again they will do it for a fee that could be around US$800, quite steep I think but is one of the options for those not willing to do themselves for whatever reason.

The borders still closed for visa runners and I believe it will be that way at least until the end of 2020 (this info is changing weekly), let's see what 2021 will be, hopefully they open those borders, it was amazing times visiting the surrounding countries, always spent a week or so going to nice places and getting a visa all in the same trip, a one pack trip, was never boring, now I have to stick with the rules, no more short trips around, but also I am planning to move to the land soon and anyway I would need such type of visa extension in order to remain in the country full time.

Please ask any question if I am able to help I will, also I know some very informed people with all these immigration stuffs, I can ask them any time, they are very helpful.

Oh! It is a little off-topic but I think it deserves a little comment on it, just a week ago, more than 40 schools in Bangkok and surroundings was nabbed by the authorities because they were mistreating students, and the most interesting thing is, the students made a protest against the schools demanding the teachers stop harm them with wooden rulers, pulling kids, etc.. it is all over the news here, and a few teachers got jailed for that. This is the education system that I am in the brink of kicking away from my daughter's life.

Thank you for your comments, I will give a deep thinking on your question "Why does she need schooling?", I guess I got all the info I need to make a good decision.

Have a good day.

[Tracie (Bodhicee)]

https://www.domain.com.au/news/get-paid-88000-to-move-to-one-of-the-most-beautiful-places-in-the-world-2-1141664/

Might be worth considering?

"Get paid $88,000 to move to one of the ‘most beautiful places in the world".

MAY 28, 2022

"Ever wanted to get paid tens of thousands of dollars to move somewhere often described as “one of the most beautiful places in the world?

Well, if said places are either the archipelago of Orkney or the Isle of Skye in Scotland … you’re in luck.

In an effort to stave off increasing depopulation in these stunning, albeit remote, parts of the UK constituent country, the Scottish government is handing out incentives of up to £50,000 ($88,000) for people to move to the bucolic countryside.

Called the Island Bond fund, the scheme’s mission statement reads: “The Scottish Government committed to developing a £5 million ($8.9 million) Islands Bond fund, providing up to £50,000 each for up to 100 households by 2026, by providing financial support for island residents to remain in their community, or to encourage people to move there."..

[norman]

Ole Dammegard and his family in Bali are working on creating a community in Bali.

Have We Got Some Big News For You!
https://lightonconspiracies.com/have-we-got-some-big-news-for-you-2/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)&mc_cid=eeeca0eee3&mc_eid=61acce85a9

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Looks interesting Norman. But I think that Bali is a bit too touristy. Not really "off grid", though it depends what one is looking for of course.

Personally I am still looking at Malawi. There are indeed some "cons", but als a lot of "pros", like really "off grid", selfsustainable, it already exists (in Bali it has to start yet I believe). Yet I don't forget the "negatives" there are either. That's why it all is very uncertain yet. We'll see how it continues.

[norman]

If relocation makes sense at all, in my mind, it HAS to involve a strong committed community, and not one that the local government or tribes perceive as a threat. That's a big ask.

In that context, a touristy place might tick more boxes, but, as you say, let's see how things develop.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

@Norman Your observation just above is a correct one.

If and when the project in Malawi could/would work, the strong committed community as you mention is essential.
Besides the intentional community created there, the local population would benefit as well. Government and local tribes can cooperate and contribute, while also reaping benefits (in several ways) from the project.

[grapevine]

What are the safest countries on Earth if World War III starts?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12979311/safest-countries-world-war-3-map.html
The recent surge in global conflict has led to speculation that World War III could be on the horizon. Some people, concerned at the prospect of worldwide warfare, are keen to know where the safest countries across the globe would be should war break out. So, what are the safest countries to be in if World War III does take place?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/15/09/80187391-12979311-image-a-85_1713170932903.jpg

Antarctica
The list kicks off with a location that is not a country, but a large continent. While Antarctica may be famed for its extreme tourism, beautiful landscapes and icy terrain, it is unlikely to be frequented by many people in the possible event of World War Three due to its location as the most southerly point on the planet.

Argentina
Although Argentina has had a history of engaging in conflict, notably clashing with the United Kingdom over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands in 1982, the South American country has been found to be the most likely places to survive famine after a nuclear war. Studies have found that the release of 100 nuclear bombs could release so much smoke that the sun may became blocked, which would result in famine and crop failure. As a result, Argentina would be a good place to be thanks to its abundance of resistant crops, such as wheat.

Bhutan
After joining the United Nations on September 21 1971, Bhutan declared itself to be neutral in regards to any conflict. This stance means it often ranks highly on the Global Peace Index. Combining the fact that it is landlocked with its plethora of mountainous regions means Bhutan would be particularly safe should World War III ever break out.

Chile
Next on the list is the country with the world's longest coastline, which runs for 4,000 miles (6,435 km) in total, meaning it would span the distance between Moscow and Madrid. Like its neighbour Argentina, Chile is blessed with a variety of different crops and natural resources. Its level of development is also arguably the most advanced in South America. So, although you might feel isolated, its level of infrastructure and access to modern technology means it could be the ideal spot if World War III were to occur.

Fiji
For anyone who would want to be in a remote country at the outbreak of war, Fiji might be for you. The island nation - located in the southwest of the Pacific Ocean - is some 2,700 miles away from its closest country, which is Australia. This, along with a potential lack of military strategy as its army has just 6,000 men, means it also ranks highly in the Global Peace Index. With much of the land made up of dense forests, as well as a plentiful supply of minerals and fish, Fiji might be the perfect place to be in during World War III.

Greenland
The island of Greenland, which belongs to Denmark, is the world's largest island. Greenland is notoriously remote, mountainous and politically neutral, making it an ideal refuge point in an emergency. It also has an estimated popular of 56,000 people, meaning it is unlikely to be targeted by any global superpower.

Iceland
Iceland has consistently topped the Global Peace Index consistently, earning it a reputation as one of the most peaceful country in the world.

As well as being particularly remote, Iceland would not need to fret over its reliance on other countries for resources, thanks to the presence of fresh water reserves, marine resources, and renewable energy sources.

Indonesia
Like others on the list, Indonesia is included thanks to its typically neutral stance on political issues across the globe. In 1948, the country's first president, Achmed Sukarno, coined the 'free and active' term to refer to their foreign policy. This referred to the fact they act independently in international affairs, and are most concerned with the creation of world peace.

New Zealand
New Zealand ranks second in the Global Peace Index and has long been marvelled at for its non-partisan stance on conflicts. If it were to be attacked, the country's mountainous terrain offers its citizens the perfect protection.

South Africa
South Africa earns a spot thanks to it being the home of multiple sources of foods, along with plentiful quantities of fertile land and fresh water. The country's modern infrastructure could also increase your chances of survival should World War III happen.

Switzerland
Of all the countries around the world, Switzerland may be the country that is singularly and most readily associated with political neutrality.

The country has been famed for its staunch position - or lack thereof - on matters concerning international politics for close to 200 years, and is well protected by its mountainous terrain, landlocked geography and numerous nuclear shelters.

Tuvalu
Formerly known as the Ellice Islands, Tuvalu is located in the Pacific Ocean, roughly halfway between Hawaii and Australia. An extremely low population of just 11,000 inhabitants means infrastructure is in thin supply compared to leading Western nations. With natural resources also low in Tuvalu, it would appear to be an undesirable target in the potential event of World War III.

I'm surprised to see Switzerland on the list as it's so near to would-be targets and tbh WWIII is likely to affect every country in the world negatively for a great many years.

[Tigger]

What are the safest countries on Earth if World War III starts?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12979311/safest-countries-world-war-3-map.html
The recent surge in global conflict has led to speculation that World War III could be on the horizon. Some people, concerned at the prospect of worldwide warfare, are keen to know where the safest countries across the globe would be should war break out. So, what are the safest countries to be in if World War III does take place?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/15/09/80187391-12979311-image-a-85_1713170932903.jpg

Antarctica
The list kicks off with a location that is not a country, but a large continent. While Antarctica may be famed for its extreme tourism, beautiful landscapes and icy terrain, it is unlikely to be frequented by many people in the possible event of World War Three due to its location as the most southerly point on the planet.

Argentina
Although Argentina has had a history of engaging in conflict, notably clashing with the United Kingdom over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands in 1982, the South American country has been found to be the most likely places to survive famine after a nuclear war. Studies have found that the release of 100 nuclear bombs could release so much smoke that the sun may became blocked, which would result in famine and crop failure. As a result, Argentina would be a good place to be thanks to its abundance of resistant crops, such as wheat.

Bhutan
After joining the United Nations on September 21 1971, Bhutan declared itself to be neutral in regards to any conflict. This stance means it often ranks highly on the Global Peace Index. Combining the fact that it is landlocked with its plethora of mountainous regions means Bhutan would be particularly safe should World War III ever break out.

Chile
Next on the list is the country with the world's longest coastline, which runs for 4,000 miles (6,435 km) in total, meaning it would span the distance between Moscow and Madrid. Like its neighbour Argentina, Chile is blessed with a variety of different crops and natural resources. Its level of development is also arguably the most advanced in South America. So, although you might feel isolated, its level of infrastructure and access to modern technology means it could be the ideal spot if World War III were to occur.

Fiji
For anyone who would want to be in a remote country at the outbreak of war, Fiji might be for you. The island nation - located in the southwest of the Pacific Ocean - is some 2,700 miles away from its closest country, which is Australia. This, along with a potential lack of military strategy as its army has just 6,000 men, means it also ranks highly in the Global Peace Index. With much of the land made up of dense forests, as well as a plentiful supply of minerals and fish, Fiji might be the perfect place to be in during World War III.

Greenland
The island of Greenland, which belongs to Denmark, is the world's largest island. Greenland is notoriously remote, mountainous and politically neutral, making it an ideal refuge point in an emergency. It also has an estimated popular of 56,000 people, meaning it is unlikely to be targeted by any global superpower.

Iceland
Iceland has consistently topped the Global Peace Index consistently, earning it a reputation as one of the most peaceful country in the world.

As well as being particularly remote, Iceland would not need to fret over its reliance on other countries for resources, thanks to the presence of fresh water reserves, marine resources, and renewable energy sources.

Indonesia
Like others on the list, Indonesia is included thanks to its typically neutral stance on political issues across the globe. In 1948, the country's first president, Achmed Sukarno, coined the 'free and active' term to refer to their foreign policy. This referred to the fact they act independently in international affairs, and are most concerned with the creation of world peace.

New Zealand
New Zealand ranks second in the Global Peace Index and has long been marvelled at for its non-partisan stance on conflicts. If it were to be attacked, the country's mountainous terrain offers its citizens the perfect protection.

South Africa
South Africa earns a spot thanks to it being the home of multiple sources of foods, along with plentiful quantities of fertile land and fresh water. The country's modern infrastructure could also increase your chances of survival should World War III happen.

Switzerland
Of all the countries around the world, Switzerland may be the country that is singularly and most readily associated with political neutrality.

The country has been famed for its staunch position - or lack thereof - on matters concerning international politics for close to 200 years, and is well protected by its mountainous terrain, landlocked geography and numerous nuclear shelters.

Tuvalu
Formerly known as the Ellice Islands, Tuvalu is located in the Pacific Ocean, roughly halfway between Hawaii and Australia. An extremely low population of just 11,000 inhabitants means infrastructure is in thin supply compared to leading Western nations. With natural resources also low in Tuvalu, it would appear to be an undesirable target in the potential event of World War III.

I'm surprised to see Switzerland on the list as it's so near to would-be targets and tbh WWIII is likely to affect every country in the world negatively for a great many years.

Interesting that Australia doesn’t get a mention. Some parts of OZ are completely doomed IMO; congruently other parts are likely to fare very well - mainly because there are vast areas where ‘pockets’ of life will flourish, completely isolated by topography and geology. You won’t learn these from books or Googley-eyed maps. But you will learn about them if you’ve lived here for a-while, and listen carefully when locals tell you something in cryptic conversations at the local pub.

You’d be surprised to know how many country Australians are already prepared for this. Cities are ‘scroomed’ (screwed and doomed), but there are vast tracts of the country that have resources and minimal population. Australia has plenty of discreet areas that will survive very well in times of war or political instability.

Interesting also that Thailand, Vietnam, New Guinea and other key regions never got a mention.

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting that Australia doesn’t get a mention.
[ ... ]
Interesting also that Thailand, Vietnam, New Guinea and other key regions never got a mention.
I'd include most countries in South America, not just Argentina and Chile. I'm pretty sure that Ecuador is one of the better places to be, for instance — on a par with Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, etc etc.

And maybe paradoxically (until one looks to see how vast Russia is!), the more remote reaches of Russia (Siberia, Kamchatka, etc) might also quite likely be very safe.

[shaberon]

I see this perhaps a bit backwards. What if for example I do not care about being "safe from World War Three" because fearmongering is unhelpful?

What if I was asking about viable cultures where one would want to live by choice?

Why would most of Africa be so dangerous during a Great War? Is somewhere like Kenya not a more viable option since it lacks the 400-year old Belgian conflict in Congo??

I mean, what could we really do with a mass exodus to Greenland? It's almost entirely glaciated. Not a very good idea.

So, to "relocate", at least in my mind, has less to do with dodging the bombs than with "what can you really be a part of?"

I would do it rather easily, however I would point out that Bhutan is the least-attainable because they will charge you $20k, in fact if you just visit, then you have to tribute $1k per day. There are not many places besides the U. S. where you can just sneak in and be taken care of. Most of them ask for a pretty serious overhaul so you conform to their language and customs.

Neither Iceland nor Honduras have a military. Does that make one more or less safe?

What, in fact, would count as being "dangerous during World War Three" and why would this be a topic? I certainly consider today's non-Anglo efforts as the means to prevent such an outbreak.

Man's laws are unable to "guarantee safety", all they can do is make court cases on certain events.

With a little examination, we would probably find that *most* of Africa, Asia, and South America are completely dis-interested in the familiar western schemes which themselves intentionally led to the two known "World Wars".

[Michel Leclerc]

I see this perhaps a bit backwards. What if for example I do not care about being "safe from World War Three" because fearmongering is unhelpful?

What if I was asking about viable cultures where one would want to live by choice?

Why would most of Africa be so dangerous during a Great War? Is somewhere like Kenya not a more viable option since it lacks the 400-year old Belgian conflict in Congo??

I mean, what could we really do with a mass exodus to Greenland? It's almost entirely glaciated. Not a very good idea.

So, to "relocate", at least in my mind, has less to do with dodging the bombs than with "what can you really be a part of?"

I would do it rather easily, however I would point out that Bhutan is the least-attainable because they will charge you $20k, in fact if you just visit, then you have to tribute $1k per day. There are not many places besides the U. S. where you can just sneak in and be taken care of. Most of them ask for a pretty serious overhaul so you conform to their language and customs.

Neither Iceland nor Honduras have a military. Does that make one more or less safe?

What, in fact, would count as being "dangerous during World War Three" and why would this be a topic? I certainly consider today's non-Anglo efforts as the means to prevent such an outbreak.

Man's laws are unable to "guarantee safety", all they can do is make court cases on certain events.

With a little examination, we would probably find that *most* of Africa, Asia, and South America are completely dis-interested in the familiar western schemes which themselves intentionally led to the two known "World Wars".

(shedding tears of laughter) Dear Shaberon. Yes. I mean no. No 400 years. Of conflict. 80 years of brutality and infantilisation. Alas, yes. Post-independence criminal meddling and (hidden) neo-colonialism. Yes. (Shedding tears of sadness.)

[shaberon]

(shedding tears of laughter) Dear Shaberon. Yes. I mean no. No 400 years. Of conflict. 80 years of brutality and infantilisation. Alas, yes. Post-independence criminal meddling and (hidden) neo-colonialism. Yes. (Shedding tears of sadness.)



Sorry. I have conflated the *actual* process of colonization with the older *projection* of European supremacy (https://www.britannica.com/place/Congo-River/Study-and-exploration):



The question of the source of the Congo confronted European explorers from the time that the Portuguese navigator Diogo Cão encountered the river’s mouth in 1482, which he believed to be a strait providing access to the realm of the mythical Prester John, a Christian priest-king.


In other words, when the Portuguese show up, you might as well kiss everything goodbye. Just like India or South America.

It is perhaps only South America that could claim an immediate and continuous Portuguese domination.

With respect to Congo, you are, of course, correct, it is not really attributable to "Belgian exploration" if there even is such a thing. They simply arrived to further European delirium which had not quite taken over yet.

The point is, are there not a lot of African societies that are disinterested in World War Three, Covid, Monopolar Liberal Democracy, and most other such gifts from the west? I think yes, there are a lot of these, and we cannot really count Congo yet because the gift keeps on giving.


Compared to pygmy tribes and arising kingdoms, pre-colonial Congo was the first recognizable African state (https://www.quora.com/What-impact-did-European-colonization-have-on-Congo-Brazzaville) in the fifteenth century:

The one that is unambiguously a civilization with a capital city - M’Banza-Kongo was the Kongo kingdom.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-21527e17837e8452da5f5cb452eb152a


This kingdom was visited by the Portuguese in the 1400s, converted to Christianity and set up a strong state:

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-55900e319c52824625ef2c181f5c13f7-pjlq



So, no, that is not the Belgian Empire, but it is some tentacles.

[Dumpster Diver]

Yup, moved from the coast to the mountains (above 4000’ & 300 miles away from the ocean) in a militarily defendable small town due to “issues”.

[Jim_Duyer]

It's interesting that in the US those who were formerly very much associated with the NSA, CIA, and various Defense Dept groups, have unanimously moved to or purchased locations in advance of a move to, New Zealand.
And they are not broke tourists by any means.

When you see these ex-Agency aligned types making a move, it is for a reason.

[Sue (Ayt)]

It's interesting that in the US those who were formerly very much associated with the NSA, CIA, and various Defense Dept groups, have unanimously moved to or purchased locations in advance of a move to, New Zealand.
And they are not broke tourists by any means.

When you see these ex-Agency aligned types making a move, it is for a reason.

Brought to mind an old memory of a book I read when I was in the 6th grade that really shook me to the core back then.
Funny how some books can remain vivid in our minds even years later.
"On the Beach" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(novel)) by Nevil Shute
on the cover page it said:
"This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."

[Johan (Keyholder)]

New Zealand... I was there a month ago and it still is pretty much as I remembered it.
Relocating there would cost at least 3 million NZ$ now (10 in most cases), unless you are young with a special skill. Depends on one's nationality too.

Spending 6 months a year in NZ and the other 6 months in AUS could work, as a tourist.

[Jim_Duyer]

Yes, Sue(Ayt), that was a good book. I saw the 2000 movie version. Just one of those who moved there is Chuck Missler (I believe he is deceased now), the Christian author of end of the world books and themes.
Missler was a figurehead in bringing the "Year Two Thousand Bug" (a.k.a. "Y2K bug") to the attention of the Christian community. Funny, but Wikipedia wipes his connections, but I can assure you that he was with the DoD for many years, and a Cryptographer as well with the NSA.
I've been to New Zealand - I lived there for two months; in fact I thought I might like to move there, back in the 1980s, but it was not for me. I also lived in Australia for about 3 months - thinking I might move there, but I was not able to tune in to the culture.
Australia, from what I have been reading, and certainly not from personal knowledge, seems to be having its own problems of late - at least since Covid. New Zealand could certainly support a good sized population on its resources (if you like lamb of course), but what I found interesting was that rats, when they desert a ship, nearly always find another tidy location to breed and grow, and for some reason several of these types moved there.

[Jim_Duyer]

New Zealand... I was there a month ago and it still is pretty much as I remembered it.
Relocating there would cost at least 3 million NZ$ now (10 in most cases), unless you are young with a special skill. Depends on one's nationality too.

Spending 6 months a year in NZ and the other 6 months in AUS could work, as a tourist.

Yes, it was much, much easier in the 1980s when I checked it out = but you still needed a tidy sum (which I had at the time) or a skill set or both. I made the mistake of renting a car, on a rainy day, and driving from Auckland to the northern islands - even with the air on and the windows up the smell of those sheep will remain in my memory forever. But the people are much different IMHO from Aust. and seemed nice.

[Jim_Duyer]

I should also mention that I just read today that the USA is making a "gift" of 250 Million to Belize.
They haven't asked for anything yet, and the Representatives in Belize are still debating taking it.
They tried the same thing in Costa Rica - for some reason they would just love to have a small base here, or in Belize - but why? They already have bases in El Salvador and Honduras - both of which neighbor Belize and to some extent are extended neighbors of Costa Rica. My guess is yet another hiding spot for some elites.
I'm also a citizen of Belize, and although I am no longer a resident, I have a warm spot in my heart for those great people, so I hope the US doesn't try anything there.
China tried the same thing here, twice. Perhaps all of the ones that are making the mess are beginning to set themselves up for the short term future?

It also makes me question the recent arrival of Russian ships in Cuba. Yes, it could be part of the game they are playing on a world stage - but it could also include the advance group to a small colony - although being only some hundred or more miles from the huge AF Base in Miami would not seem to be clear thinking - unless they took that target off their list.

[Andre]

I live in Australia and, personally, I would not elect to relicate to a "five eyes" nation. They are all heading in the, direction of becoming big time surveillance states. I'm looking to get out, but it will take some time.

[DNA]

I live in Australia and, personally, I would not elect to relicate to a "five eyes" nation. They are all heading in the, direction of becoming big time surveillance states. I'm looking to get out, but it will take some time.
I give no higher credit than to Billy meier when it comes to predictions.

Australia and the Peru area are the best places to be once **** gets really hot.

So suck it up...
Don't let them vaccinate you...
And I'm not kidding...I think you're good

[onawah]

A relocation destination within the next 15-20 years or so is one thing, but beyond that is probably going to be another, according to what Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers and other scientists are predicting.
And the data seems conclusive.
A big enough CME to bring down the planet's electric grid is likely to happen sooner than that 15-20 year window, so the wherewithall to live off-grid becomes increasingly more of a necessity.
After that, living conditions may be greatly altered from what they are now from continent to continent, and places that are favorable now climatically, may not be soon... and vice versa.
So... a lot depends on what your timeframe is.

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[meat suit]

There are many factors.
An oil tanker just went over and caused a big spill in the Philippines, scale that up to every vessel containing oil or chemicals going over spilling their cargo. God knows where the tsunamis and slosh backs will drop all that stuff, far inland possibly, affecting fresh water supplies etc.
Same for nuclear plants worldwide, mostly located at shores or rivers.
It will be messy where ever.

Personally I am in free flow trying to trust my guidance on all matters. So far its keeping me firmly in West Wales at 80m above sea level with the beach 10 mins away.

May we all be in the best places when the time comes.

[norman]

I've been following this guy's YT channel since the summer when he was making 'Car Camping' in the UK videos.

He has a Thai wife and 2 great kids and lives in Leicester since returning to UK after living in Thailand for a decade as, originally, a vagabond adventurer. A month before Christmas he set out on a new venture to find out if returning to Thailand as a family is a doable option now that his YT channel has become his prime/sole income.

As you can easily imagine, he's had-it to the gills with broken Britain so with his family's blessings he's been travelling around Thailand making videos and has recently arrived at his favourite island where he's now house hunting. Two weeks ago he was up in the far north trying to get through a border crossing into Myanmar which could easily have got him killed.

Today's video is almost a straight house hunting video as you'd expect any house hunting video so I thought I'd plonk it here in this thread for any relocation dreamers to watch. If I was 30 years younger I'd be packing up my life here and pricing plane ticket to do the same. He has one special advantage of course, his wife IS Thai.

Forget Europe, Emigrate To Thailand - Here's What Your Money Could Buy

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[Bill Ryan]

I've been following this guy's YT channel since the summer when he was making 'Car Camping' in the UK videos.

He has a Thai wife and 2 great kids and lives in Leicester since returning to UK after living in Thailand for a decade as, originally, a vagabond adventurer. A month before Christmas he set out on a new venture to find out if returning to Thailand as a family is a doable option now that his YT channel has become his prime/sole income.

As you can easily imagine, he's had-it to the gills with broken Britain so with his family's blessings he's been travelling around Thailand making videos and has recently arrived at his favourite island where he's now house hunting. Two weeks ago he was up in the far north trying to get through a border crossing into Myanmar which could easily have got him killed.

Today's video is almost a straight house hunting video as you'd expect any house hunting video so I thought I'd plonk it here in this thread for any relocation dreamers to watch. If I was 30 years younger I'd be packing up my life here and pricing plane ticket to do the same. He has one special advantage of course, his wife IS Thai.

Forget Europe, Emigrate To Thailand - Here's What Your Money Could Buy

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Many thanks, and excellent. I've posted several times over the years that if I weren't in Ecuador, Thailand would have been my close #2 choice for relocation. It has a LOT going for it.

Moreover, my choice in Thailand would also have been the island of Koh Samui, where this video was filmed. A soon as I started watching it, I realized "OMG, I know that beach." :ROFL: Everything he reports in his video is spot-on correct.

[shaberon]

Thailand has always been fairly high in this line of thinking.

I am curious about more of southeast Asia, such as Vietnam, Cambodia, or even Muslim-majority places such as Malaysia and Indonesia. Being someone who is "stuck" in a phenomenally unhappy manner, so far it is difficult to conceive of any American state as being a preferred destination, and I have little hope for any of the Five Eyes, their Euro cronies, or other plebiscites. On the other hand, Russia is too cold, and I don't think I would qualify for citizenship in Iran, because of its "theocracy", you have to join one of four religions. Egypt only has three. Some other places are not as strict. I don't know that there is necessarily a problem with "Muslim majority" if it is not the oppressive kind.

[norman]

I've been following this guy's YT channel since the summer when he was making 'Car Camping' in the UK videos.

He has a Thai wife and 2 great kids and lives in Leicester since returning to UK after living in Thailand for a decade as, originally, a vagabond adventurer. A month before Christmas he set out on a new venture to find out if returning to Thailand as a family is a doable option now that his YT channel has become his prime/sole income.

As you can easily imagine, he's had-it to the gills with broken Britain so with his family's blessings he's been travelling around Thailand making videos and has recently arrived at his favourite island where he's now house hunting. Two weeks ago he was up in the far north trying to get through a border crossing into Myanmar which could easily have got him killed.

Today's video is almost a straight house hunting video as you'd expect any house hunting video so I thought I'd plonk it here in this thread for any relocation dreamers to watch. If I was 30 years younger I'd be packing up my life here and pricing plane ticket to do the same. He has one special advantage of course, his wife IS Thai.

Forget Europe, Emigrate To Thailand - Here's What Your Money Could Buy

9fW0q-TKf1s~~~

Many thanks, and excellent. I've posted several times over the years that if I weren't in Ecuador, Thailand would have been my close #2 choice for relocation. It has a LOT going for it.

Moreover, my choice in Thailand would also have been the island of Koh Samui, where this video was filmed. A soon as I started watching it, I realized "OMG, I know that beach." :ROFL: Everything he reports in his video is spot-on correct.

There's a sad follow up video to that one. Having agreed, including his family, with a new home builder to buy a development plot project house, he returned 3 weeks later to find the agreement wasn't going to be fulfilled, after all. He'd asked for, and it had been agreed to, adjustments to the plan. Houses are selling so well there now that the boss of the operation couldn't be bothered with making the changes when he could so easily sell the house without the changes.

He's heading back to the UK to reconsider his options.


Buying A House In Thailand - The Dream Is Over

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