Manipulation, inaccuracies and downright lies.

[Binaryspellbook]

If a person presents work that can be shown to be full of inaccuracies, poor research, and in some cases downright lies. Should we trust any of their work ? Surely everything they present must be considered polluted.

I speak of course about Jordan Maxwell. A man whom many people follow, and in some cases are completely blinded to all of the above. And consequently cannot accept any criticism of him whatsoever.

Regards Jamie

[Steven]

Hi,

Well, can you at least be specific where you think Jordan Maxwell is inaccurate, where he is not researching enough, where he is lying. Bring up his words to the board and tell us specifically why you think he is doing something wrong, so at least we can discuss about specific ideas instead of accusing a person.

I will give you an example: I do not agree with all that Jordan says, but I appreciate the whole of his work, a lot! I believe a man called Jesus came, he doesn't. I believe it not because of all the christian text, but because this man, Jesus, was also present in many old cultures, not just the leading one! But, I am not calling Jordan a liar for that.

Be specific.

Namaste, Steven

[Binaryspellbook]

Hi,

Well, can you at least be specific where you think Jordan Maxwell is inaccurate, where he is not researching enough, where he is lying. Bring up his words to the board and tell us specifically why you think he is doing something wrong, so at least we can discuss about specific ideas instead of accusing a person.

I will give you an example: I do not agree with all that Jordan says, but I appreciate the whole of his work, a lot! I believe a man called Jesus came, he doesn't. I believe it not because of all the christian text, but because this man, Jesus, was also present in many old cultures, not just the leading one! But, I am not calling Jordan a liar for that.

Be specific.

Namaste, Steven

Apologies Steven. I neglected to post a link. I opened this thread specifically because Bill spanked my bum in another thread for derailing a little. :)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207#

The lies are all there. Take your pick.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

This has been discussed before. Jordan Maxwells etymology is indeed in some cases fatally flawed, But it is debatable whether it is Disinformation or Misinformation but given that Jordan is a clever man some of these mistakes do seem rather obvious? I have great respect for Jordan Maxwell for the simple reason that HE HELPED OPEN MY EYES.

[Dale]

This has been discussed before. Jordan Maxwells etymology is indeed in some cases fatally flawed, But it is debatable whether it is Disinformation or Misinformation but given that Jordan is a clever man some of these mistakes do seem rather obvious? I have great respect for Jordan Maxwell for the simple reason that HE HELPED OPEN MY EYES.

Hopefully this will put, to closure, the Jordan Maxwell epic that has been gnawing at this forum for the past few days.

As anyone can point out, many of Maxwell's "word games" are flawed, or simply incorrect. Etymology, however, is an imprecise science, as words - when coupled with meanings and phrases - become near impossible to fully decipher. It can be anyone's call as to the true origin of particular syllables, words, phrases, and allegories.

With that said, Maxwell is well known for one phrase: "Do your homework."

He articulates the point that he is not a foremost authority on any subject, merely finding himself in the presence of highly distinguished individuals. He simply passes along cues to those listening; suggesting to them a good place to begin their journey. After all, this is a personal journey.

Without Maxwell's effort, we'd not be nearly as well-off as we are today. There would likely be no David Icke, or Alex Jones, or even an "alternative movement." Maxwell is a founding father of this movement, for certain. Though it is up to us to carry on that legacy. His time has passed.

[Banshee]

His time has passed.

With all due respect, isn't that assertion up to the individual and Mr. Maxwell himself? That sounded like a dictum. Should I genuflect? ;)

[Celine]

We can learn much from the people's who's foot prints we walk in.

Everything is balanced even if we dont know it ourselves

Trying to fight this is impossible.

[Dale]

With all due respect, isn't that assertion up to the individual and Mr. Maxwell himself? That sounded like a dictum. Should I genuflect? ;)

My apologies. I meant for the statement "His time has passed" to be an abstracted view at his contributions to the "founding" of the alternative movement, so to speak. I did not mean for it to be a profound statement, of any kind.

[Banshee]

My apologies. I meant for the statement "His time has passed" to be an abstracted view at his contributions to the "founding" of the alternative movement, so to speak. I did not mean for it to be a profound statement, of any kind.

Meaning that the ball has been passed? The movement has its own momentum?

Thank you for the clarification.

[Fredkc]

I made it a whole 2 minutes into the video and managed to spot a lie, about the lies. Now, I have no particular reason to defend J.Maxwell, but posting poor trash like this is demeaning to our site, IMO.

I understand his etymology has problems. Since I speak 2 1/2 languages (nobody ever fully understands french. It's designed that way to annoy tourists) I usually rely on myself for etymological underpinnings, and their accuracy. But many benefit from his historical research, and other work (see: Hurrit, above).

J Maxwell missed his chance to influence my thinking on the Catholic church, 55 years ago (through no fault of his own). That church was a non-starter for me, before I even knew it existed. One of their basic tenants is fallacious. There is no justification for placing anyone between anyone and either the teachings, or love of Jesus, which exist everywhere. To me, this has been a no-brainer since the first time I spoke to him (age 4) and he answered. (try it sometime. his sense of humor is as boundless as his love.)

It is for this reason I also have no time for the likes of the Chris Whites of the world. The lesson here is simple; There is no amount of tearing down that which you hate, that will add one brick to that which you love.

Thanks, but no thanks,
Fred

[DawgBone]

Well, we've had attacks against David Icke, Jordan Maxwell and the ongoing attack against Bill.

Very interesting ...

[Binaryspellbook]

I made it a whole 2 minutes into the video and managed to spot a lie, about the lies. Now, I have no particular reason to defend J.Maxwell, but posting poor trash like this is demeaning to our site, IMO.

I understand his etymology has problems. Since I speak 2 1/2 languages (nobody ever fully understands french. It's designed that way to annoy tourists) I usually rely on myself for etymological underpinnings, and their accuracy. But many benefit from his historical research, and other work (see: Hurrit, above).

J Maxwell missed his chance to influence my thinking on the Catholic church, 55 years ago (through no fault of his own). That church was a non-starter for me, before I even knew it existed. One of their basic tenants is fallacious. There is no justification for placing anyone between anyone and either the teachings, or love of Jesus, which exist everywhere. To me, this has been a no-brainer since the first time I spoke to him (age 4) and he answered. (try it sometime. his sense of humor is as boundless as his love.)

It is for this reason I also have no time for the likes of the Chris Whites of the world. The lesson here is simple; There is no amount of tearing down that which you hate, that will add one brick to that which you love.

Thanks, but no thanks,
Fred

Fred,

His etymology has "problems" ? Yes it does, the problem with much of his etymology is that he is making it up as he goes along. Yes, I call that deliberately lying. Therefore the man is a liar. Let's be perfectly clear about this. If a man stands in a public arena and delivers a presentation he has a duty to ensure to the best of his ability that his data has at least been researched.
This oaf is trying to convince people that certain ancient Egyptian words have their roots in modern English. Seriously, spank me on the arse with a wet kipper and call me Susan. What sort of moron would you have to be to sap up such total and utter gob****e.

[Ramdass528]

This video shows why we must do our own research and not just blindly accept what some one is saying. Really well done.For those who have seen the talks by Jordan Maxell on ancient Isreal, you might need to check it out. In his disfense I hope he just accidently fell in the trap of just accepting one side of a story without checking out the other sources to it.....(a lot) with that.

[str8thinker]

(Dale) With that said, Maxwell is well known for one phrase: "Do your homework."

He articulates the point that he is not a foremost authority on any subject, merely finding himself in the presence of highly distinguished individuals. He simply passes along cues to those listening; suggesting to them a good place to begin their journey. After all, this is a personal journey.

I could reply by asking Maxwell "Show us yours". Or maybe more kindly, "Make it clear to us which you have thoroughly researched and which are merely your speculations."

The problem I have with Maxwell's assertions is that he speaks them with such assurance that one's instinctive response is to swallow them whole - then after some time when some of them turn out to be complete b.s., one wonders whether he made all of it up.

No, Maxwell's only value to me is to raise questions that fall to me analyze and resolve one by one, quoting chapter and verse as proof. Maxwell does not do this. That he has become so successful is a tribute to the innocence of so many of his readers/viewers.

This argument can be applied to many other "authorities" such as Zecharia Sitchin, whom I respected until I listened to Michael Heiser debunk him.

My advice to anyone else wading into this mire is to treat each theory as a horse race. It can have any number of starters (possible explanations), but stamina is required for an outright win by several lengths, not simply by a nose. In many cases all the horses will be racing neck and neck beyond the spans of our allotted lifetimes.

[Bartolomeu P.N.]

It seems like most of you are critisizing Jordan Maxwell without making the same critique to yourselves. I am not making a defense of him, but if you say that he is misleading by not explaining his sources, and by deliberately lying, then you should point out exactly what it is that you believe is a lie.

Point out what you think is incorrent, that way we can research it and discuss it.

Best wishes from South America.

[Binaryspellbook]

It seems like most of you are critisizing Jordan Maxwell without making the same critique to yourselves. I am not making a defense of him, but if you say that he is misleading by not explaining his sources, and by deliberately lying, then you should point out exactly what it is that you believe is a lie.

Point out what you think is incorrent, that way we can research it and discuss it.

Best wishes from South America.

Bart,

Watch the video on this thread and see for yourself. Watch it all. Not just two minutes like some have. You will hear the lies. Perhaps if people were a little less blinkered in their defence of Maxwell they would not be so unwilling to dismiss the evidence out of hand

[9eagle9]

In a historical context we are provided by Maxwell with a whole overview of events that caused us to be in the shape we are in today. The cause of the today's effect. It's all in alignment with what other reasonably creditable whistleblowers are presenting. There's a central thread of truth that runs from researcher to researcher . That's what we should be focusing on. The central thread of truth.

The flaws that are drug out to be examined are really of little importance--details. To repeatedly pull these petty details out and remark on them over and over again as if they are of greater importance than the central thread of truth is just a distraction. And it's the same tactic the-powers-that-be employ. Once we have the cause of today's effect , the central thread of truth, the rest of it is just details. Meaningless actually.

Please use meaningless in correct context, neither good nor bad, just not an issue.

The fact the Set is used in context with the sun setting THEN has little to do with our current more important condition NOW. The Sun never sets anyway so what difference does it make?

Now that we have the overview of the story, we should be focused on the present. Part of the whole matrix game conducted on our level is to keep our minds either zooming forward into the future or stuck in the past--on petty details. Never in the present. We should keep the overall meat of the information and use it take an informed stance now instead of quibbling over flawed details about the past. How are we to move forward in the present if we keep getting hung on some opinion about something that happened two thousand years ago?

Lots of people are wrong about details of Egyptian culture, I doubt anyone could argue the Egypt failed to exist based on some blurry opinions or details.

Come up out of the past, and how it was remarked on, and focus on what the central thread of truth tells us is going on in the present.

[davyj0nes]

Okay, so i watched all 59 minutes of the video, and to me it felt like a hit piece.

Everything from the intro song, to implying that jordan maxwell (J.M) is anti-Semitic, the use of the twin towers to appeal to emotion, implying that J.M. is new world order (NWO), pleadians being behind the NWO, the references to satanism, paganism, mystery religions, the sons of god, yahweh, Blavatsky, all felt skewed, and stretched. The horribad editing didn't do this film any favors either. What i really wanted to hear was about this notion of jesus being anointed with semen, but it was never discussed.

Whats really funny is that the video's author believes in the sons of god giving rise to giants, which is from J.M.:lol:

The video's author also believes that there was a real king solomon, and that the genocide committed by joshua in the bible was both real, and necessary to 'cleanse' the land of mixed blood giants that ate flesh, and drank blood.

Something else this video does is imply that satanism, paganism, and the mystery religions are "bad" and that Christianity, the video's 'merican interpretation no less, is "good".

I dunno, i could go on but i'm not a fan of writing large essays.

[gripreaper]

The problem I have with Maxwell's assertions is that he speaks them with such assurance that one's instinctive response is to swallow them whole - then after some time when some of them turn out to be complete b.s., one wonders whether he made all of it up.

No, Maxwell's only value to me is to raise questions that fall to me analyze and resolve one by one, quoting chapter and verse as proof. Maxwell does not do this. That he has become so successful is a tribute to the innocence of so many of his readers/viewers.

Maxwell was exposing that which was previously hidden at a time when others were being killed for it. Jordan's Maxwells courage as a pioneer is unparalleled, and he has always venerated those on whose shoulders he has stood, such as Eustice Mullins (may he rest in peace).

I thank Jordan for his courage, tenacity and forthright continuous faithful effort without regard to fame or fortune, only to speak the truth. Those who have stood on his shoulders, such as Michael Tsarion, have always venerated him in their work. He's an incredible man and an awesome soul.

This documentary is nothing but a smear taken out of context with extreme christian overlays. Nowhere is the early history previous to 2,000 years ago, and the bible, referenced anywhere.

The true etymology and symbolism, the roots of mankind as well as the origins of Zionism were conveniently excluded from the explanations.

[arctourist]

jordan's the man!
you can have your own opinions,you can even articulate'm-sometimes-haha!