A new report: FAMINE will come to America!!!

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9VIbhPje5Q&feature=player_embedded

[Fredkc]

Hey Irish...
No wonder they also want to put lithium in the water. ;)

[irishspirit]

Global food chain stretched to the limit

Strained by rising demand and battered by bad weather, the global food supply chain is stretched to the limit, sending prices soaring and sparking concerns about a repeat of food riots last seen three years ago.

Signs of the strain can be found from Australia to Argentina, Canada to Russia.

On Thursday, Tunisia's president ordered prices on food staples slashed and indicated he won't run for re-election after deadly riots hit the North African country.

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"We are entering a danger territory," Abdolreza Abbassian, chief economist at the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), said last week.

The U.N.'s fear is that the latest run-up in food prices could spark a repeat of the deadly food riots that broke out in 2008 in Haiti, Kenya and Somalia. That price spike was relatively short-lived. But Abbassian said the latest surge in food stuffs may be more sustained.

"Situations have changed. The supply/demand structures have changed,” Abbassian told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. last week. "Certainly the kind of weather developments we have seen makes us worry a little bit more that it may last much, much longer. Are we prepared for it? Really this is the question."

Price for grains and other farm products began rising last fall after poor harvests in Canada, Russia and Ukraine tightened global supplies. More recently, hot, dry weather in South America has cut production in Argentina, a major soybean exporter. This month's flooding in Australia wiped out much of that countries wheat crop.

As supplies tighten, prices surge. Earlier this month, the FAO said its food price index jumped 32 percent in the second half of 2010, soaring past the previous record set in 2008.

Prices rose again this week after the U.S. Department of Agriculture cut back its already-tight estimate of grain inventories. Estimated reserves of corn were cut to about half the level in storage at the start of the 2010 harvest; soybean reserves are at the lowest levels in three decades, the USDA estimates, in part because of heavy buying by China. The ratio of stocks to demand is expected to fall later this year to "levels unseen since the mid-1970s," the agency said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41062817/ns/business-consumer_news

[Celine]

Ok why do i get this feeling that Fox news" should be banned from thread titles...

[bluestflame]

might be good time to resurrect the humble back yard vegie garden , this could see a ressurgance

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9VIbhPje5Q&feature=player_embedded

Many thanks. Very, very important.

[irishspirit]

Hi Fred,

how are you and yours?

CELINÉ,

Now now, freedom of speech. haha.

But it is all over the media. Just watch this video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2fZcmjbqpA&feature=player_embedded

The shocking waste of the above is just mind blowing.

[bluestflame]

I'm down south in Victoria and a lot of the farmers have had way too much rain , there are floods all around the surrounding district ( though in hindsight rice would have been a good crop choice)

[Celine]

Oh i didnt mean the content..

i just find that anything with "fox news attached" has a negative sound to it

As this is an important subject perhaps a better thread title is my point..

[irishspirit]

Celiné

Point taken and I agree.

Mod's, may the FOX NEWS can be dropped from the title bar?

[13th Warrior]

Food as a weapon + weather as a weapon = mega weapon/plausible deniablility

[irishspirit]

People need to wake up - 2011 has just begun and yet we are already seeing significant price shocks and serious food shortages in many areas of the globe. In fact, violent economic riots are now being reported in Algeria, in Chile and in Mozambique. Food shortages and price increases are also causing political unrest in other nations such as India, Bangladesh and Indonesia. This is a very serious situation, and if the major food producing nations of the world do not have another record harvest this year there is very likely going to be an incredibly serious global food crunch. According to the UN's Food and Agricultural Organization, the global price of food hit a new record high in December. The previous record high for food prices was in June 2008, and we all remember what happened during the summer of 2008. Massive food riots erupted in countries such as Cameroon, Haiti and Egypt. So with price shocks and food shortages already being reported all over the globe, will we see even worse global economic riots in 2011?

One of the things that is playing into all this is all of the really extreme weather that we have been witnessing all over the globe. In Australia, they have been experiencing flooding that is of Biblical proportions. Brazil has also been hit by very serious flooding. In other parts of South America, extremely dry weather is severely damaging many crops. In the Northern Hemisphere, unusually cold and unusually snowy weather has many people scratching their heads. Something really strange seems to be happening to global weather patterns, and that is not good news for global food production.

All of this bad weather is fueling a tremendous amount of commodity speculation. Over this past year, almost every single major agricultural commodity has experienced a dramatic increase in price.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/price-shocks-food-shortages-and-global-economic-riots-in-2011

[irishspirit]

Two years after the last food crisis, when prices surged by nearly 15% in the UK, food inflation is back. Soaring global food prices have prompted City and food industry experts to warn that the cost of the weekly shop is set to rise by up to 10% in the coming months.

As in 2008, rocketing prices are the result of rising demand and supply shortages caused by freak weather and poor harvests. Moreover, these conditions are exacerbated by speculation on commodity markets and changing diets in fast-growing Asian countries.

Last week, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) called an emergency meeting for 24 September to discuss the food crisis. In Mozambique, riots broke out following the government's decision to raise bread prices by 30%, leaving seven people dead and hundreds injured. At the same time the Russian government extended its export ban on wheat by another 12 months as it battles drought, shortages and inflation at home, which threatens to push up prices further. European wheat prices hit more than €231 (£192) a tonne last week, just below last month's two-year high of €236 but still 60% higher than a year ago in sterling terms. Corn prices are at their highest level since June 2009 while sugar has been on a rollercoaster ride after hitting a 29-year peak in February.

FAO economist Abdolreza Abbassian raises the prospect of further civil unrest in less developed countries if the price of basic food continues to rise: "Russia's move is another unfortunate development that will prolong upward pressure on grain prices and contribute to higher price instability in world markets. Rioting may reappear in poor districts around the world if prices of basic foodstuff commodities continue to rise further. "

Surging wheat prices, along with higher sugar and oil-seed costs, drove the FAO's international food price index up 5% last month, the biggest rise since last November. The organisation estimates this year's wheat crop at 646m tonnes – down 5% from last year – while world barley production, also hit by bad weather in the former Soviet Union and the EU, is forecast to drop by 22% to a 30-year low of 129m tonnes. Last month global meat prices hit a 20-year high.

In the UK, Premier Foods, owner of the Hovis brand, has warned the global shortage of wheat could push up the cost of bread by at least 5p a loaf, while other food brands such as McDougalls flour and Mr Kipling cakes will also cost more.

A leading UK supplier of flour, Rank Hovis, is to increase its prices from 6 September. Soaring barley prices mean that the pub price of a pint of beer could top £4 this time next year.

Experts fear that UK food price inflation, which was running at an annual rate of 3.4% in July, could now rise to 10% – depending on whether costs continue to climb and to what extent food manufacturers absorb the increases.

The Grocer's food and drink editor Alex Beckett reckons that if prices for commodities such as wheat, sugar, cocoa and palm oil remain at current levels, by January the weekly shop could cost 10% more than 12 months previously.

Philip Shaw, chief economist at Investec, said: "If the current rise in prices is sustained, food price inflation might climb to 7-8% by mid-2011." And Philip Rush, at Nomura, sees food prices going higher over the next year, tipping back up to above 5% year-on-year growth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/sep/05/commodities-food-drink-industry

These people know what is coming with the food shortage,given the fact that they are behind creating it. The sorry, sorry thing is, they have broken the people's back with crippling tax's, over priced fuel both for vehicle and home heating, and when this hits, common people will struggle beyond their wildest dreams.

[bluestflame]

and with the legislation already in place to requisition food , property( land) livestock etc ...

[Fredkc]

All of this bad weather is fueling a tremendous amount of commodity speculation. Over this past year, almost every single major agricultural commodity has experienced a dramatic increase in price.
Speculation alone will play hell with prices. 2nd order trading, wagging the dog.

Family is pretty ok, Irish.
The lone exception being my useless brother-in-law. I am predicting a major meltdown for him, today. Since I've found that pointing this out to the wife only leads to bad housekeepping, boring meals, and long silences, I have decided that today is the day to spend over at my daughter's house. :)

Hoping this finds you well,
Fred

[13th Warrior]

Not long ago 40%+ or - of the house hold budeget was spent on food. People were getting plenty of nutrients and just enough calories.

Governments created legislation to provide cheap food; now 10% of the house hold budget is spent on food. We now get barely enough nutrition and way too many calories.

Now most people don't have the budget for higher food prices because of their conditioning; maybe you can eat that flat screen tele you bought on credit?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


These people know what is coming with the food shortage,given the fact that they are behind creating it. The sorry, sorry thing is, they have broken the people's back with crippling tax's, over priced fuel both for vehicle and home heating, and when this hits, common people will struggle beyond their wildest dreams.

It's easy to predict the future; when you are the one creating it.

[Arrowwind]

I have been tracking on this also.
So far I have not seen extreme price increases
except for wheat going up quite a bit this year

And for those who do not know
Winco is the place to shop
if you should have one around.
and also though my contacts it is
quite clear that prices on the east coast
are sky rocketing as compared to where
I am, in the rocky mountain states.

If you are looking for a meaningful place to invest
your money, it is in food storage where you will
reap a 3 to 5% gain yearly on most comodities
Try doing that at your savings and loan!

This awareness has lead me to some very difficult decisions
and to take on a mindset that requires to think ahead
where you are still anticipating the best
while at the same time preparing for the worst

I do not know how this will affect me and the people of the
United States, but if things continue as such it is bound to
in the coming years in a most detrimental way

In the old days people always stored food the best they could
for that failed harvest, the unexpected weather,
for political unrest that shifts the economy.
This was ingrained into their consciousness as
a reasonalbe and sensible thing to do
and has been eliminated from our minds
though complacency and a false belief that
our econonmy is untouchable.

We would be fools at this time to do anything less.
I have benefited from living in a Mormon community
and I have learned much from them about preparation

Remember, our food is for sale on a world market
It will go to the highest bidder, no matter where that bidder resides
at this time anyway, but emergency and martial law could change that
at a drop of a hat.


And one of the best ways to prepare is to learn how to grow
essentails. I am taking my cues from the Irish on this one
I am finding potatoes very worth the while.
Along with beets and cabbage, there will be no starvation here
no matter what comes, short of an ice age.
We have a surplus of wild rabbit
and a nifty pellet gun
and plenty of fish
in the lake down the road
to sustain our small community

[Fredkc]

If I may...
Now most people don't have the will to budget for higher food prices because of their conditioning; maybe you can eat that flat screen tele you bought on credit?
"Conditioning" people is easy, when you do it taking into account their natural bent. As a french philosopher (whose name is on my other damned computer) pointed out, all tyranny has the consent of the majority built into it. Anything else is impossible.

And yes,
"It's easy to predict the future; when you are the one creating it."

To that end...
I want to bring an example from a slightly different topic, to this. There have been literally 1000's of post containing reaction, speculation, and even downright foolishness posted about the "Charles material". If everyone on-forum printed it all out, we could probably make a desert out of Canada.

My daughter has the role of "Head of clan" with regards to our family's survival through whatever comes our way (I have decided it's possible she may just outlive me, so I am basking in my role as councelor ;) ).

She has listened to the Interview twice now. Here opinions are short, and not material here; but let me tell you what she did take away from this, in terms of counterring what was said:
"So... I keep on with my gardening skills, and heritage seed project. Got it!"

It's amazing! Once you filter out all the reactionary junk about how you "feel" about something, how you feel about who said it because they said it, who to shoot because it was said, and simply work on what's to be done about it, how simple things get. :)

Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

well, it is interesting that Fulford said the dollar will be replaced by commodity backed currency and suddenly those prices start sky rocketing... the new Gold...

[Celine]

If I may...
"Conditioning" people is easy, when you do it taking into account their natural bent. As a french philosopher (whose name is on my other damned computer) pointed out, all tyranny has the consent of the majority built into it. Anything else is impossible.

And yes,
"It's easy to predict the future; when you are the one creating it."

To that end...
I want to bring an example from a slightly different topic, to this. There have been literally 1000's of post containing reaction, speculation, and even downright foolishness posted about the "Charles material". If everyone on-forum printed it all out, we could probably make a desert out of Canada.

My daughter has the role of "Head of clan" with regards to our family's survival through whatever comes our way (I have decided it's possible she may just outlive me, so I am basking in my role as councelor ;) ).

She has listened to the Interview twice now. Here opinions are short, and not material here; but let me tell you what she did take away from this, in terms of counterring what was said:
"So... I keep on with my gardening skills, and heritage seed project. Got it!"

It's amazing! Once you filter out all the reactionary junk about how you "feel" about something, how you feel about who said it because they said it, who to shoot because it was said, and simply work on what's to be done about it, how simple things get. :)

Fred

i am sorry Fred... but how people "feel" is very important .

now dont get me wrong i am not supporting unproductive emotional outbursts.. but

How we feel is directly related to our thoughts... and our thoughts are very important.

PS: There are more trees in Canada then you realize ;)

PS2: Tell your daughter i have some seeds for her ;)

[Fredkc]

Hi Rocky;

Ahhhh but skyrocketing based upon what? Theres the rub.
Initially the prices of commodities are based upon their availability. This is both a "square deal", and a dynamic guarantor of same.

But factor in the fact that Fiat money continually devalues, prices for commodities will always rise, when stated in terms of said currency. Do it the other way round and you get something more realistic. For example:
A given amount of silver will buy you the very same amount of gasoline, for instance, as it did in 1950.

So, if the silver didn't change, and the gasoline didn't either, what did? :)

[irishspirit]

Fred;

that problem with family comes up all to much!

I hope you get that sorted ASAP.

We know how much you care for your daughter and the grand children, you will have more fun there anyway. HAHA.

Back to the issue at hand.

If only they would stop spraying their sst in the sky and killing the crops, things would be so much better. I myself have now got to the point where I eat only what I grow, in a greenhouse, safe and sound. It is sooooooo much more expensive, but what price do you put for your family's health and well being?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi Rocky;

Ahhhh but skyrocketing based upon what? Theres the rub.
Initially the prices of commodities are based upon their availability. This is both a "square deal", and a dynamic guarantor of same.

But factor in the fact that Fiat money continually devalues, prices for commodities will always rise, when stated in terms of said currency. Do it the other way round and you get something more realistic. For example:
A given amount of silver will buy you the very same amount of gasoline, for instance, as it did in 1950.

So, if the silver didn't change, and the gasoline didn't either, what did? :)


Fred,

that is an excellent example. Well put my friend.

[Arrowwind]

Hi Rocky;

Ahhhh but skyrocketing based upon what? Theres the rub.
Initially the prices of commodities are based upon their availability. This is both a "square deal", and a dynamic guarantor of same.

But factor in the fact that Fiat money continually devalues, prices for commodities will always rise, when stated in terms of said currency. Do it the other way round and you get something more realistic. For example:
A given amount of silver will buy you the very same amount of gasoline, for instance, as it did in 1950.

So, if the silver didn't change, and the gasoline didn't either, what did? :)

Beliefs, perceptions and demand change.

and then again
Shyrocketing is skyrocketing no matter how you twist it
when it comes to placing food on the table for one's hungry kids

It has always been wise to invest in metals
as the beliefs behind metals historically have endured
and they do have actual value in the creation of at least something.

But there may come a day when a bushel of corn
will be worth a basket of gold.

Always diversify... and stored food, metals, land and water
as well as the means to produce food. All those things hold value over time
if the controllers don't figure a way to wrestle it out from under you.

What I don't understand right now is why bulk food goods are so much more expensive on the east coast
than where I am located.

[bluestflame]

don't need a big backyard ( or even a backyard) to grow home produce , to eat, or trade

http://gardening.about.com/od/vegetablepatch/a/ContainerVeggie.htm

[JoshERTW]

Perhaps the mods should merge this thread with the one I started in the Charles Material area

[Arpheus]

Yay more focus on bad news bad energy and fear mongering way to go peeps thats really going to help!By the way despite the facts a lot of this is true i had to say that focusing on this tipe of thing wont do us any good and wont solve the problem at hand if you want my honest opinion.I am going to take a break from Avalon i am growing tired of all this focus on BAD BAD AND MORE BAD.Yeah thats really going to help us change the world alright!
Take care all i am out of here for a while!

[irishspirit]

Yay more focus on bad news bad energy and fear mongering way to go peeps thats really going to help!By the way despite the facts a lot of this is true i had to say that focusing on this tipe of thing wont do us any good and wont solve the problem at hand if you want my honest opinion.I am going to take a break from Avalon i am growing tired of all this focus on BAD BAD AND MORE BAD.Yeah thats really going to help us change the world alright!
Take care all i am out of here for a while!


I respect your views friend.

However, we have a lot of guest coming to the forum in search of truth off all kinds, not just the enlightening truth (although, i do love this aspect of the forum sooooooooo much). We got a lot of guest that are unaware of the shear magnitude of what is going on and are not aware of situations such as this. Therefore, this will allow them to start preparing. Please explain to me where the bad in that is?

P.S No need to ditch the forum. Just do not look into the threads.

[Teakai]

I respect your views friend.

However, we have a lot of guest coming to the forum in search of truth off all kinds, not just the enlightening truth (although, i do love this aspect of the forum sooooooooo much). We got a lot of guest that are unaware of the shear magnitude of what is going on and are not aware of situations such as this. Therefore, this will allow them to start preparing. Please explain to me where the bad in that is?

P.S No need to ditch the forum. Just do not look into the threads.

I for one am very glad for the info, Irish. That it may be thought scaremongering is often in the eye of the beholder. I find it a necessary thing to know and to pass on to others and I thank you for it.
My friends might start taking it seriously now that's it's on the NEWS, DUH!!
:lol:

We can allow our thoughts to create our emotions, or our emotions to create our thoughts.

[irishspirit]

Middle Class May Be Subject To Food Rations, Warns UN

The UN is warning of a food shortage crisis and drawing up plans for food rations which will hit even middle-class suburban populations as inflation and economic uncertainty causes the prices of staple food commodities to skyrocket.
The United Nation's World Food Programme cautions today that if it doesn't receive more funding, it will have to halt food aid to developing countries like Mexico and China.
"The WFP crisis talks come as the body sees the emergence of a “new area of hunger” in developing countries where even middle-class, urban people are being “priced out of the food market” because of rising food prices," reports the Financial Times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/451604c4-e30b-11dc-803f-0000779fd2ac.html).

(Article continues below)







The warning coincides with a speech by William Lapp (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/405e4028-e31e-11dc-803f-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A//www.ft.com/cms/s/0/405e4028-e31e-11dc-803f-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1&_i_referer=&nclick_check=1), of US-based consultancy Advanced Economic Solutions, who cautioned that rising agricultural raw material prices would translate this year into sharply higher food inflation.








It also parallels a prediction by Don Coxe (http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/yourbusiness/story.html?id=9aee7fc8-dadc-4fe2-ac6b-a488b7976cb2), a Chicago-based global portfolio strategist for BMO Financial Group who correctly forecast the fall of the dollar and the rise in price of gold and oil years in advance, who last week spoke of a "global food crisis" which will cause the world to enter into, "A period of food shortages and swiftly rising prices," leading to government embargoes.
With the U.S. on the verge of a recession and, as many analysts have warned, a potential second great depression, those long scoffed at for hoarding vast quantities of storable food may unfortunately be able to say "I told you so" if the dollar continues to deteriorate and people begin to be priced out of the food market.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/022508_food_rations.htm

[bluestflame]

for instance we now have added incentive for putting in a backyard vegie garden ( as if there weren't already enough incentive with food additives run rife )

[DawgBone]

The UN is warning of a food shortage crisis and drawing up plans for food rations which will hit even middle-class suburban populations as inflation and economic uncertainty causes the prices of staple food commodities to skyrocket.

Even if this does not happen, TPTB benefit from inciting fear and uncertainty. "Give us your liberties, and we will take care of you (most of the time)".

The bizarre thing is many people positively enjoy the adrenaline rush of the constant fear campaign. We are addicts in so many ways.

[Arrowwind]

Irish spirit, why are articles, links and videos missing from your posts?

[Arrowwind]

Yay more focus on bad news bad energy and fear mongering way to go peeps thats really going to help!By the way despite the facts a lot of this is true i had to say that focusing on this tipe of thing wont do us any good and wont solve the problem at hand if you want my honest opinion.I am going to take a break from Avalon i am growing tired of all this focus on BAD BAD AND MORE BAD.Yeah thats really going to help us change the world alright!
Take care all i am out of here for a while!

Perhaps your reply is such because it stimulates fear in you.

Perhaps you are one that believes thay can dream in
a new and bountiful reality without doing the work
and somehow everything will just be hunky doory
because you wished it to be so.

Well I've been looking for the Fairly God Mother
all my life and have not found her.

Being aware of the times,
the economic situation around the world,
the agricultural picture in this nation and others
will only lend to ones power, not distract from it.

Sustainability is essential
and it is what we have turned our backs on in this nation.
We have become so arrogant
in thinking that others must provide for us,
and that what we require
to meet daily needs will somehow always be there

This is the result of the ultimate brainwashing
and when one realizes that they have been douped,
yes, I suppose they could get fearful
and use fear as a motivating factor
rather than understanding ones relationship
to the mother earth
and knowing how to sustain oneself

Granted I went into fear at various points
in my awakening process, especially because
I was responsibe for children.

But eventually I came around to realizing
just how stupid I was to allow my situation
to be at the whim of corporate interests,
monsanto farms,
the world food productions industry
engineered climate
and on and on

When you start to take responsibility for
yourself the fear dissapates
as you emmerse yourself into
meaninful action and self responsibility

I thank god I woke up soon enough to take action.

and if the crunch comes on
I expect people will be standing at my door for a handout
rather than me standing at someone elses.
In which case I have become a part of solution
instead of the problem.

The only real problem I see
is that there not yet enough people
by any means taking any responsibility
for sustainability.

[Lost Soul]

For a couple of years, I've suggested to friends to put some money aside into gold or silver coins in anticipation of monetary collapse. If they were too poor, then food because food prices will skyrocket. Home Depot/Lowe's has these huge rubbermaid storage bins that can easily hold three 50 lbs bags of rice. Two of those and you've got 300 lbs of rice that will last for years. The next thing to get is water. You can't live without the stuff.

[THIRDEYE]

good thread irish...i live in north carolina its hard for me to fathom famine in america.i think its away for the ptb to line there golden pockets.anyhow n.c. is the biggest pork producer in the country also chicken and turkey,i mean the slaughter houssa kills 16000 hog a day...not to mention poultry...just food for thought ...thirdeye..love light and abundance......

[Franny]

for instance we now have added incentive for putting in a backyard vegie garden ( as if there weren't already enough incentive with food additives run rife )

Interestingly, the government supported and pushed Victory Gardens in the 1930s to help a struggling population. Today? Not a word, not even a mention of our grandparents good old victory garden, and why not we do it too, to help todays struggling families. I suppose many have forgotten, never knew or many are living in urban situations. The majority know nothing about vegetable gardening either and it's not always as easy as it looks.

I recall Michelle Obama put in an organic garden at the WH for a short time. It got a bit of positive news as well as negative for encouraging a garden without added chemicals. Perhaps it's gone now?

Does anyone know of info for growing vegetables in a small or even a tiny indoor space? How about growing where there is only shade? Or where there is no reliable or clean water supply? The above are all considerations where I live. My area is also overrun with gophers which has defeated many a gardener applying as many solutions they can think of. Not all can build raised, lined and covered beds or have a place for a green house. Or keep out the deer in some areas.

I worked in the local garden center and know of just about every other gopher solution and most don't work reliably. I'm not trying to sound negative here, these are real considerations. If I could grow a garden at my place I would and I have the knowledge to do so -- just not my present situation. I would move if I could but circumstances do not allow at this time.

Something I have considered: What is the answer for when a steady stream of hungry neighbors or food searchers come knocking on your door or helping themselves, knowing you have stored food, chickens, livestock, a garden, a greenhouse?

I have been trying to encourage a friend that just moved to a cleared and sunny location, a real bonus in this mountain area, to put in a vege garden. She would like to grow a few vege but prefers flowers.

[MargueriteBee]

I've seen food prices double in the last two years. I'm buying now to save money later.

Latte I know people with all the room for a garden but it's too much work..........

[irishspirit]

[QUOTE=
Latte I know people with all the room for a garden but it's too much work..........[/QUOTE]

Which is quite sad.

If only people knew how much that hard work will pay off in the end, both for their survival and their health.

[Arrowwind]

good thread irish...i live in north carolina its hard for me to fathom famine in america.i think its away for the ptb to line there golden pockets.anyhow n.c. is the biggest pork producer in the country also chicken and turkey,i mean the slaughter houssa kills 16000 hog a day...not to mention poultry...just food for thought ...thirdeye..love light and abundance......

Yes, the USA does produce a lot of food and the total meat industry is reliant on a good grain harvest, so consider that.
As the cost of grain goes up so do the meat prices.
and the quality of the meat has greatly degenerated these past 30 years and now it all has to be irradiated to keep it
from literally killing us.... MRSA, Salmonella, mutantant E-coli, etc etc

Support local farmers and have them raise grass fed beef or whatever you eat, split it with friends and neighbors.

And yet, as many go to bed hungry in this country as we ship tons of food overseas. I will never comprehend it.

[irishspirit]

good thread irish...i live in north carolina its hard for me to fathom famine in america.i think its away for the ptb to line there golden pockets.anyhow n.c. is the biggest pork producer in the country also chicken and turkey,i mean the slaughter houssa kills 16000 hog a day...not to mention poultry...just food for thought ...thirdeye..love light and abundance......


I agree.

However, the bigger picture goes into GM food.

It would be a case whereby, you convince enough people that food is short and there is a growing demand for this, they will cry out for food to be produced at any costs. Case and point, McDonalds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ljW5YEdao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ljW5YEdao

The above says it all. If people are willing to eat that, picture what they will do if told they will go hungry? GMO anyone?

[jeannacav]

It is certainly possible to grow some useful veggies inside the house.
It is winter here and sprouts do very well and take little room and are significant green nutrition.

They take the windowsill.
I doubt that I need to go into details of how, but maybe just a reminder is enough.

And speaking of sprouting, I remember Patrick Flanagan repeated the tests of some russians from the 60's to 80's and stuck the sprouts inside a pyramid. They did much better than in the open air.

There is a lot of dis/misinfo about a pyramid, but basically make it out of 4 triangles whose side walls just a squeak shorter than the base, and tape them together. (I use posterboard for mine) Since the magnetic field is so weak these days you can probably ignore the north rule.
You will always have something good for you if you do this.

(better get the sprouting seeds soon!)

There is even a way to make bread from only sprouts.
I do not know how this is done, but it looks and tastes like non-coarse whole grain bread.

jeanna

[Dennis Leahy]

Politically: we need to work to get GMOs removed from existence.

We need to overturn the (US Supreme Court, 1980) ruling, allowing life forms to be patented.
We need to ban GMO plants and animals
We need to ban GMO plant and animal research
We need to destroy all existing GMO plants, seeds, and animals


Dennis

[The Truth Is In There]

instead of worrying about food shortages and so on people should rather make an effort and change their diets to a healthy vegetarian cuisine. a side effect that would become obvious soon after the intestines have been cleaned out is that their food intake and nutritional needs will drop to less then 50% of before, perhaps no more than 25% depending on the body type. apart from that you'll lose any and all worries, fears, negative emotions and so on because when you detoxify your physical body the same happens with the mental body. i can attest to that, as can anyone who tried it. it's one way of "become the change you want to see".

[iceni tribe]

the message is , grow your own ..... how many days worth of food is in the shops

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/dd395-emptysite.jpg

[DawgBone]

Politically: we need to work to get GMOs removed from existence.

We need to overturn the (US Supreme Court, 1980) ruling, allowing life forms to be patented.
We need to ban GMO plants and animals
We need to ban GMO plant and animal research
We need to destroy all existing GMO plants, seeds, and animals


Dennis

Amen!

In particular, the creation of seeds which cannot reproduce themselves perfectly shows the intent of the Elite.

Food is the ultimate means of control, the ultimate weapon. If we do not draw the line here, we are lost.

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocuc1rzoV1k&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocuc1rzoV1k&feature=player_embedded#!

[irishspirit]

If you read any economic, financial, or political analysis for 2010 that doesn’t mention the food shortage looming next year, throw it in the trash, as it is worthless. There is overwhelming, undeniable evidence that the world will run out of food next year. When this happens, the resulting triple digit food inflation will lead panicking central banks around the world to dump their foreign reserves to appreciate their currencies and lower the cost of food imports, causing the collapse of the dollar, the treasury market, derivative markets, and the global financial system. The US will experience economic disintegration.

The 2010 Food Crisis Means Financial Armageddon

Over the last two years, the world has faced a series of unprecedented financial crises: the collapse of the housing market, the freezing of the credit markets, the failure of Wall Street brokerage firms (Bear Stearns/Lehman Brothers), the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the failure of AIG, Iceland’s economic collapse, the bankruptcy of the major auto manufacturers (General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler), etc… In the face of all these challenges, the demise of the dollar, derivative markets, and the modern international system of credit has been repeatedly forecasted and feared. However, all these doomsday scenarios have so far been proved false, and, despite tremendous chaos and losses, the global financial system has held together.

The 2010 Food Crisis is different. It is THE CRISIS. The one that makes all doomsday scenarios come true. The government bailouts and central bank interventions, which have held the financial world together during the last two years, will be powerless to prevent the 2010 Food Crisis from bringing the global financial system to its knees.

Financial crisis will kick into high gear

So far the crisis has been driven by the slow and steady increase in defaults on mortgages and other loans. This is about to change. What will drive the financial crisis in 2010 will be panic about food supplies and the dollar’s plunging value. Things will start moving fast.

Dynamics Behind 2010 Food Crisis

Early in 2009, the supply and demand in agricultural markets went badly out of balance. The world experienced a catastrophic fall in food production as a result of the financial crisis (low commodity prices and lack of credit) and adverse weather on a global scale. Meanwhile, China and other Asian exporters, in an effort to preserve their economic growth, were unleashing domestic consumption long constrained by inflation fears, and demand for raw materials, especially food staples, exploded as Chinese consumers worked their way towards American-style overconsumption, prodded on by a flood of cheap credit and easy loans from the government.

Normally food prices should have already shot higher months ago, leading to lower food consumption and bringing the global food supply/demand situation back into balance. This never happened because the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), instead of adjusting production estimates down to reflect decreased production, adjusted estimates upwards to match increasing demand from china. In this way, the USDA has brought supply and demand back into balance (on paper) and temporarily delayed a rise in food prices by ensuring a catastrophe in 2010.

Overconsumption is leading to disaster

It is absolutely key to understand that the production of agricultural goods is a fixed, once a year cycle (or twice a year in the case of double crops). The wheat, corn, soybeans and other food staples are harvested in the fall/spring and then that is it for production. It doesn’t matter how high prices go or how desperate people get, no new supply can be brought online until the next harvest at the earliest. The supply must last until the next harvest, which is why it is critical that food is correctly priced to avoid overconsumption, otherwise food shortages occur.

The USDA—by manufacturing the data needed to keep supply and demand in balance—has ensured that agricultural commodities are incorrectly priced, which has lead to overconsumption and has guaranteed disaster next year when supplies run out.

An astounding lack of awareness

The world is blissful unaware that the greatest economic/financial/political crisis ever is a few months away. While it is understandable that general public has no knowledge of what is headed their way, that same ignorance on the part of professional analysts, economists, and other highly paid financial "experts” is mind boggling, as it takes only the tiniest bit of research to realize something is going critically wrong in agricultural market.


USDA estimates for 2009/10 make no sense

All someone needs to do to know the world is headed is for food crisis is to stop reading USDA’s crop reports predicting a record soybean and corn harvests and listen to what else the USDA saying.

Specifically, the USDA has declared half the counties in the Midwest to be primary disaster areas, including 274 counties in the last 30 days alone. These designations are based on the criteria of a minimum of 30 percent loss in the value of at least one crop in the county. The chart below shows counties declared primary disaster areas by the secretary of Agriculture and the president of the United States.

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/12/2010-food-crisis-for-dummies.html

[bluestflame]

sadly for many, things will only really sink in when they go to do normal , routine things , patterned behaviour they've taken for granted as part of life , and either it's not there , or the financial means for aquiring it it no longer accepted

[irishspirit]

Food inflation is here and it's here to stay. We can see it getting worse every time we buy groceries. Basic food commodities like wheat, corn, soybeans, and rice have been skyrocketing since July, 2010 to record highs (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/01/05/food.prices.ft/index.html). These sustained price increases are only expected to continue as food production shortfalls really begin to take their toll this year and beyond.

This summer Russia banned exports of wheat to ensure their nation's supply, which sparked complaints of protectionism. The U.S. agriculture community is already talking about rationing corn (http://www.agweb.com/article/corn_rationing_needs_to_begin/) over ethanol mandates versus supply concerns. We've seen nothing yet in terms of food protectionism.

Global food shortages have forced emergency meetings at the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization where they claim "urgent action" is needed. They point to extreme weather as the main contributing factor to the growing food shortages. However, commodity speculation (http://www.activistpost.com/2010/09/banksters-inflate-speculative-food.html) has also been targeted as one of the culprits.

It seems that the crisis would also present the perfect opportunity and the justification for the large GMO food companies to force their products into skeptical markets like in Europe and Japan (http://www.naturalnews.com/030902_GMOs_Australia.html), BINGO: POSTERS EDIT!) as recently leaked cables suggest. One thing is for sure; food shortages will likely continue to get worse and eventually become a full-scale global food crisis.

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/7-reasons-food-shortages-will-become.html

[Dennis Leahy]

Amen!

In particular, the creation of seeds which cannot reproduce themselves perfectly shows the intent of the Elite.

Food is the ultimate means of control, the ultimate weapon. If we do not draw the line here, we are lost.
I'll give your amen an amen!

I know there are strict legal/US constitutional definitions for treason that probably keeps it from being prosecuted as such, but I believe that every congressperson, Supreme Court justice, and executive branch appointee that has worked in collusion with Monster-anto should be considered as treasonous, or traitorous, or (because this has erupted into a worldwide problem), as perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

We also need to stop feeding 10 to 15 pounds of grain to animals to yield 1 pound of meat. The meat-centered diet and all of the problems it creates (brilliantly exposed in John Robbins books - at least his first two books, which are must-read Wikipedia: John Robbins (author): books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robbins_%28author%29#Books_by_Robbins) ) is an issue that many people do not want to talk about. Even many good people, enlightened people don't want to talk about it. There is a vestigial hankering for a hamburger in a huge percentage of awake/aware folks. (I'll bet more than half of Avalon members are omnivores, maybe even more than two-thirds - despite mountains of scientific evidence that a plant-centered diet is healthier for humans and for the planet.)

Just think if we stopped growing ANY and ALL GMO crops, and if we phased-out meat production: we would easily have at least 4 to 8 times more food from tilling the same acreage, and the food would be a step closer to organic.

Dennis

[shiva777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLC2yRhlGBI&feature=player_embedded#!

We have worked extensively to document rising food prices and possible coming food shortages. Now the Food and Agriculture Organization of 55 food commodities has recorded that global food prices hit an all time record in December.

ALL evidence points to a dramatic increase in food worldwide. Please take the time to read through the articles provided below and prepare accordingly.

Food Prices Rise Higher Than Ever As Globalists Predict Food Riots
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/eart...

[DawgBone]

I'll give your amen an amen!

I know there are strict legal/US constitutional definitions for treason that probably keeps it from being prosecuted as such, but I believe that every congressperson, Supreme Court justice, and executive branch appointee that has worked in collusion with Monster-anto should be considered as treasonous, or traitorous, or (because this has erupted into a worldwide problem), as perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Dennis

Crime against humanity is exactly what it is. And people are busy watching American Idol.

[bluestflame]

the well fed neighbour alliance

"What is the WFNA?
We are an alliance of individuals dedicated to the re-localization of our food supply, fuel supply and economy."

http://wellfedneighbor.ning.com/

[Arrowwind]

We also need to stop feeding 10 to 15 pounds of grain to animals to yield 1 pound of meat. The meat-centered diet and all of the problems it creates (brilliantly exposed in John Robbins books - at least his first two books, which are must-read Wikipedia: John Robbins (author): books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robbins_%28author%29#Books_by_Robbins) ) is an issue that many people do not want to talk about. Even many good people, enlightened people don't want to talk about it. There is a vestigial hankering for a hamburger in a huge percentage of awake/aware folks. (I'll bet more than half of Avalon members are omnivores, maybe even more than two-thirds - despite mountains of scientific evidence that a plant-centered diet is healthier for humans and for the planet.)

Just think if we stopped growing ANY and ALL GMO crops, and if we phased-out meat production: we would easily have at least 4 to 8 times more food from tilling the same acreage, and the food would be a step closer to organic.

Dennis

Probably becasue quite a few people do not do well on a vegetarian diet. I ate vegetarian for 13 years and even with sufficient protien I ran myself into the ground. It is not well suited to my physiology...nor to that of many others

Nor should humans eat soy products unless they are well fermented and how much of that can you do in a day? a week?

[joedjemal]

From experience you need animals to close the cycles but I understand that current agricultural practices are insane.

[arctourist]

eat as much as you can,now!

[Koyaanisqatsi]

might be good time to resurrect the humble back yard vegie garden , this could see a ressurgance

Agreed in full. We should have never gotten away from it. Every dollar you spend on food is A VOTE. I vote local, and i vote organic. America in general votes for Mcdonalds and wendys.

[Dale]

Interesting contributions, everyone, to a very important thread.

One of the most important concepts a strong individual and close-knit community must comprehend is independence. To not be dependent on external sources for food, water, electricity, supplies, etc...

If one were to take a glance at the world around them today, in retrospect, they would see a definite surplus of dependence. Most everything we do or require comes from across the seas, and in the event our connection with the given source were to be severed, we'd be out of luck, as we're highly unskilled in basic means of survival and cohesiveness.

The best way to ignite such a change is highly simple. Begin a garden in the back yard. Read a few, old books on self sufficiency - the Foxfire series is a good start. There's no need to go "Y2K" and fill a cellar of canned goods, as once they're out, you're out.

As an old proverb goes, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

It's all about independence vs. dependence. If one is highly dependent on external means of support, and quite unskilled, they probably will have difficulties if a "famine" were ever to occur. On the other hand, one who is well prepared and self-sufficient will be much better off. It's a tough road, for certain, but it may be worthy of a few moments study.

[Pamela]

Sometimes it seems there is so much repeating what bad things are going to happen that we forget how to show others there are options.

Here is a good article to consider reading. http://http://thelaurelofasheville.com/issues/2011/01/winter-greenhouse-gardening (http://thelaurelofasheville.com/issues/2011/01/winter-greenhouse-gardening)

I know everyone does not have land and/or money to put in a greenhouse. However you can start very small and experiment. Share what you learn. Uplift others. Make a positive change. This could be a family adventure. Have each person choose their favorite vegetable and have them be responsible for taking care of it. Learning how to grow, harvest, and store. It shares the responsibility and makes it fun for everyone instead of a chore.

We here at Avalon must start being positive and helpful to all. We all KNOW changes are on the way! So now it is time to put positive plans into action.

[Lost Soul]

I'm with Dennis Leahy. Death to Franken-food!

That said, stockpile food now and encourage others to do so. When it hits, at least there won't be panic among you, your loved ones and friends. Get some heirloom quality seeds too.

[sunnyrap]

I have worked hard at a 'victory garden' next to the house for 6 years with varying--often disappointing--results. Battling heat-cold, voracious pests and being a daily slave to its upkeep just didn't mix well with working full time, either. I needed something a little less labor intensive and a little more controllable. So I did some poking around for container gardening and hydroponics setups and found this really nifty setup:

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/51958
How to make your own low-tech vertical farm
by Kris De Decker

Low-tech vertical farm The ingenious low-cost vertical farms of Willem Van Cotthem are within reach of everybody.

Tips from others who have container gardened, sprouted, etc. please add your success stories!

[Dennis Leahy]

Probably becasue quite a few people do not do well on a vegetarian diet.
Arrowwind, I have seen a couple of nutritionists offering that theory, but, IMHO, it is not accurate. I contend that there are certain plants, plant families, and plant combinations that 'work' for some human guts, and other mixes of plant based material that would work for others. Not to spark a controversy, but the human intestines quite resemble other herbivores, and lack resemblance to carnivores, nor can humans live on a carnivorous diet. I know that doesn't rule out "omnivore", but even if (for whatever reason: choice or perceived need), someone does eat an omnivorous diet, the average American could probably scale it back to 1/10th their typical meat consumption, and that step alone could negate the "necessity" of factory feedlot and factory caged animal production, which was the point I was making about not wasting so much grain on fattening animals for slaughter.

I know that's a touchy subject (even 'hallowed ground' for some, who might declare that we could only remove their steak knife and fork from their cold dead hands.) Not trying to piss anyone off, but looking to the big picture of food equity, wise use of resources, and the production of healthful food.


... There's no need to go "Y2K" and fill a cellar of canned goods, as once they're out, you're out.
Dale, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said, but I have been telling friends to put enough high quality non-perishable food in the pantry to last until the harvest of the big garden that I'm strongly recommending that they create. It would not be unwise to have enough food at home, in case the economy collapses as some predict, to at least make it to the point where self-sufficiency can come into play

Dennis

[sunnyrap]

Helpful information is all over the net. All you have to do is look.

Homemade renewable energy:
http://55energy.com/

Houses made almost totally from cast-off materials and downright trash:
http://www.grist.org/article/2011-01-14-texan-builds-artful-green-homes-out-of-trash

[sunnyrap]

Save sturdy plastic bags and twist ties. If worse comes to worse and you have no access to water, you can affix the plastic bags to the tip ends of pine trees. They will yield about a cup of water per bag over night. Pine trees can also yield life-saving protein. Scraping the inner bark from a pine tree, you can pound it into a mash which can be softened with soaking and cooked into a kind of bread.

These and other life-saving survival tips can be found in a great little book called: SAS Survival Handbook Revised Edition: For Any Climate, in Any Situation [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Handbook-Revised-Situation/dp/0061733199/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295235548&sr=8-1

I also found a great Webelos book in a second hand book store. It shows you how to do anything in the wild and succeed at basic hunting-gathering.

Personally, I'd prefer it not get to this, but knowing you could deal with it if it does takes a lot of stress out of your head...

[MargueriteBee]

Don't wait, learn now what wild plants are edible in your area. How well will you do holding a book when shtf.

[bluestflame]

can grow to suit the soil and conditions where you are ( apparently ever changing at the moment ) but any excess you grow can be seeded , or saved for swapping

there may be need to hand pollenate some plants if there's not much wind or bees ( ants contain an antihistamine that works against pollenation so best to keep them away )

[Arrowwind]

Arrowwind, I have seen a couple of nutritionists offering that theory, but, IMHO, it is not accurate. I contend that there are certain plants, plant families, and plant combinations that 'work' for some human guts, and other mixes of plant based material that would work for others. Not to spark a controversy, but the human intestines quite resemble other herbivores, and lack resemblance to carnivores, nor can humans live on a carnivorous diet. I know that doesn't rule out "omnivore", but even if (for whatever reason: choice or perceived need), someone does eat an omnivorous diet, the average American could probably scale it back to 1/10th their typical meat consumption, and that step alone could negate the "necessity" of factory feedlot and factory caged animal production, which was the point I was making about not wasting so much grain on fattening animals for slaughter.

I know that's a touchy subject (even 'hallowed ground' for some, who might declare that we could only remove their steak knife and fork from their cold dead hands.) Not trying to piss anyone off, but looking to the big picture of food equity, wise use of resources, and the production of healthful food.


Dennis

This perhaps is not the thread to take this on.
If I had to live on veggies alone
and be reliant on what could be produced in my climate
I would have long ago been dead
I would say that that would be true for many around the world
Eskimos, people in the UK, Russia
and the mountains of Colorado and Idaho.
Eskimos, with all their flesh eating
have next to no heart disease

Indigenos peoples had to hunt to survive
It is built into our gene code the need for meat.

Many many vegetarians suffer from B12 deficiency
and they get chronic disease like everyone else

The quality of meat is everything
grass fed is essential, not grain fed.

Moderation is the key. Like hunters
no one should eat meat every day.

Native Americans who return to hunter/ gatherer type diets
cure their diabetes

If we are not designed to eat meat
how the heck did we survive before the dawn of agriculture?

I don't think Im too interested in continuing with this topic
I have spent countless hours researching it
and put it to rest long ago.

People eat what they want
and they pay the price the pay.
As for me I do very well on a meat diet
with lots of fresh veggies

The answer is grass fed beef
and eliminating wheat.
you would do your enviroment a great deal of good
if we were not using pesticides, herbacide, water
and transport for wheat. Wheat in my estimaiton
is the death diet for man and the planet.

all those fields of wheat use to be grass prarie
where bufallo roamed
grass fed meat is what we should be eating
with lots of veggies and some fruits.

[Arrowwind]

can grow to suit the soil and conditions where you are ( apparently ever changing at the moment ) but any excess you grow can be seeded , or saved for swapping

there may be need to hand pollenate some plants if there's not much wind or bees ( ants contain an antihistamine that works against pollenation so best to keep them away )

Mason Bees is a good solution to pollenation and people need to plant flowers that bloom eary and late to attract bees.
Soil conditions are almost irrelevant if you use the lasagna method to build your soil along with bokoshi composting

[Arrowwind]

Save sturdy plastic bags and twist ties. If worse comes to worse and you have no access to water, you can affix the plastic bags to the tip ends of pine trees. They will yield about a cup of water per bag over night. Pine trees can also yield life-saving protein. Scraping the inner bark from a pine tree, you can pound it into a mash which can be softened with soaking and cooked into a kind of bread.

These and other life-saving survival tips can be found in a great little book called: SAS Survival Handbook Revised Edition: For Any Climate, in Any Situation [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Handbook-Revised-Situation/dp/0061733199/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295235548&sr=8-1

I also found a great Webelos book in a second hand book store. It shows you how to do anything in the wild and succeed at basic hunting-gathering.

Personally, I'd prefer it not get to this, but knowing you could deal with it if it does takes a lot of stress out of your head...

Great ideas and I am a huge fan of pine bark extracts for quite a few ailments.
I keep telling people that if they have an electic pump to their well it is time to get a hand pump
that can be placed in the same well, it will not interfere with the electric one
and when your electricty is out you will have water.

[joedjemal]

Container gardens are brilliant. In Manchester I grew all my veg and a big chunk of my fruit all in containers on two allotments and the back yard of a terraced house. The big difference with containers is that you get to keep most of what you plant (although there are still losses) just make sure you keep up the watering and make nettle or comfrey tea for food.

[The One]

At any given time there is enogh food at the moment to feed the world three times over.The truth is the nations that cant afford it will suffer the most from the greedy nations.

By 2050 the world’s population will reach 9.1 billion, 34 percent higher than today. Nearly
all of this population increase will occur in developing countries. Urbanization will continue
at an accelerated pace, and about 70 percent of the world’s population will be urban
(compared to 49 percent today). Income levels will be many multiples of what they are now.
In order to feed this larger, more urban and richer population, food production (net of food
used for biofuels) must increase by 70 percent. Annual cereal production will need to rise to
about 3 billion tonnes from 2.1 billion today and annual meat production will need to rise by
over 200 million tonnes to reach 470 million tonnes http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEMQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fao.org%2Ffileadmin%2Ftemplates%2Fwsfs%2Fdocs%2Fexpert_paper%2FHow_to_Feed_the_ World_in_2050.pdf&ei=7Ug0TfbHMaqqhAeVi-WuCw&usg=AFQjCNEvZBB2Wrep78tku_vCige3UqTm3Q

[joedjemal]

At any given time there is enogh food at the moment to feed the world three times over.The truth is the nations that cant afford it will suffer the most from the greedy nations.

By 2050 the world’s population will reach 9.1 billion, 34 percent higher than today. Nearly
all of this population increase will occur in developing countries. Urbanization will continue
at an accelerated pace, and about 70 percent of the world’s population will be urban
(compared to 49 percent today). Income levels will be many multiples of what they are now.
In order to feed this larger, more urban and richer population, food production (net of food
used for biofuels) must increase by 70 percent. Annual cereal production will need to rise to
about 3 billion tonnes from 2.1 billion today and annual meat production will need to rise by
over 200 million tonnes to reach 470 million tonnes http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEMQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fao.org%2Ffileadmin%2Ftemplates%2Fwsfs%2Fdocs%2Fexpert_paper%2FHow_to_Feed_the_ World_in_2050.pdf&ei=7Ug0TfbHMaqqhAeVi-WuCw&usg=AFQjCNEvZBB2Wrep78tku_vCige3UqTm3Q

This can't happen. The worlds ecosystems are too degraded as they are with our current numbers. Industrial agriculture has hit a wall. We have to switch largely to perennial polyculture and forest gardens and that takes time and resources to achieve, and there seems little or no will to do it. At present I don't see a way around collapse. If I only knew what was possible it might be possible to achieve a soft landing but the elite seem to have made it clear that no such attempt will be permitted.

[irishspirit]

Florida’s non-citrus crop losses from cold could total $370M


Published: Thursday, January 20, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, January 20, 2011 at 10:25 p.m.
( page of 3 )


Green bean prices have tripled in North Florida. Mustard greens are hard to find at any price. Cabbage is now going for 69 cents a pound, way more than the three-pounds-for-$1 usually available in January.


The hikes in fresh vegetable prices are the most obvious signs for many Floridians that the exceptionally cold weather this winter has taken a big bite out of the produce supply chain.


The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services has estimated 2.5 million cartons or cases of fruits and vegetables were lost during December — not including processed citrus. Officials said another 4 million cartons of produce are expected to be lost before the end of March.


http://www.ocala.com/article/20110120/ARTICLES/110129993/1439?Title=Florida-s-non-citrus-crop-losses-from-cold-could-total-370M

[bluestflame]

it's ironic looking back at agricultural forums talking about food shortage and the australian drought

frrom 2008

"Food Shortages In Australia Thanks To Anti-Farmer Free Trade and Environmental Policies
November 10, 2008 – 1:06 pm, by steve truman
Our current Australian anti-farmer policies coupled with a population that grows by 1 person net each 1.3 seconds will lead us to a point within 40 years where we will be a net importer of food. As the world population grows by another 2.3 billion people, food in Australia will indeed become a scarce resource.

During the past 8 years just on 11,000 Australian farmers have left the land. Today just 130,000 farmers or 0.6% of the population not only feed 21.5 million Australians but export enough food to feed double that number.

Australia is one of the world’s major agriculture exporters not because we are a major producer on a world scale, but because we have a small population. Our population is exploding whilst each day our policy makers work hard at reducing the number of farmers and their capacity to produce, in the name of ‘free trade’ and the environment.

As the Australian anti-farmer Federal and State Labour governments continue with policies that shrink our farming sector, world experts are urging them to pour money into ag & water research to avoid world wide food shortages and civil unrest."
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2008/11/10/food-shortages-in-australia-thanks-to-anti-farmer-free-trade-and-environmental-policies/

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am planting seeds in whatever i can find that will hold dirt

[MargueriteBee]

Sprouting is a back up if crops don't come in and you can eat greens all year.

[bluestflame]

can always give them as gifts for backyards
passionfruit , kiwifruit ...

[non]

Don't wait, learn now what wild plants are edible in your area. How well will you do holding a book when shtf.

The essential Wild Food Survival Guide by Linda Runyon, is kickass.

And in case you cant read this or books, there is a DVD available. :o

[ktlight]

Strategist: World On The Verge Of Great, Great Depression And The Fed Knows It

A notable market strategist has told CNBC that the world is on the verge of the largest financial meltdown in history, warning that Wall Street is at a loss as to what to do regarding the ailing economy.
“Interest rates are amazingly low and that, thanks to Ben Bernanke, is driving everything,” said Peter Yastrow, of Yastrow Origer.
“We’re on the verge of a great, great depression. The [Federal Reserve] knows it.” the futures trader added.
“What we’ve got right now is almost near panic going on with money managers and people who are responsible for money,” he said. “They can not find a yield and you just don’t want to be putting your money into commodities or things that are punts that might work out or they might not depending on what happens with the economy.”
Yastrow described betting against the U.S. economy as “a huge mistake”, adding that he would not sell stocks at this point.
Any bears out there better be careful because the dividend yields on these stocks look awesome relative to all the other investment vehicles out there,” Yastrow said. “So bears are going to have to find a new way to express their discontent with the U.S. economy.”

source and where to watch video
http://www.prisonplanet.com/strategist-world-on-the-verge-of-great-great-depression-and-the-fed-knows-it.html

[vasquez]

The video don't work anymore :(

Does anyone have another link to this video, i'd love to watch it.

Thanks.