Who/what is running the world?

[azproductions]

Do you think it’s humans? Reptiles? Demons? Aliens? The devil?

Personally? I cant help but feel like the devil is underground. And I’m not religious in any sense, but I do feel there is a “god” and a “devil” of some unnamed sorts, and not what you see in the bible.. there’s truth to the bible, to all religions actually, but it got skewed and was created to cause separation amongst the human race. And how everything is satanic worship with Adrenochrome etc.. everything is connected to the devil. Idk, I feel like the depths of hell are right under us.


But I do believe there’s demons or reptile forms that inhabit the earth. I don’t know.. curious to see what others think?

[Bill Ryan]

Well, not 'underground'. :)

David Icke pointed out many years ago that no regular humans would ever do some of the things to peoples, nations and the environment that those in positions of power recently seem to do.

Therefore, he argued, they're not human.

Digging into that a little more, they still look human. But they may well be possessed or in some other way influenced, controlled or just totally taken over.

Dr Bill Deagle in his epic and remarkable 2006 Granada Forum Lecture described human leaders as being controlled by "hyperdimensional demonic entities." I'd say that's pretty much correct, whatever the mechanisms in play.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Fz6FRDcE4

[azproductions]

Thanks for the video! I’ll check it out :)

[Bluegreen]

Pictorial guide:

Top to bottom (in order):

Off-world masters
Illuminati
Illuminati whores
Government leaders
Hypnotized population


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[Brigantia]

Maybe the idea of the devil living underground in his fiery hell comes from where the early Church was (and still is) based - not that far from Naples and the Plegreaean Fields (Campi Flegrei). It is one of the most active volcanic regions in the world, an eruption could be catastrophic but geologists think that one will not happen for thousands of years. Presently it's a sulfurous, steaming, desolate-looking place. The Greeks believed that nearby Lake Avernus was the entrance to the Underworld.

44673

My point is that the cultural idea of the devil underground goes back centuries, the fiery pits of hell coming from awareness of vulcanism. There is also an idea of caves and other underground structures being liminal places, between this world and the land of the dead.

To answer your question - are there demons underground? I really don't know, there is certainly a great amount of evil stalking this earth and tunnel systems are rumoured to be far more extensive worldwide than is commonly thought. They could be places where evil beings dwell, or they could be simply there for pragmatic reasons of storage or getting from one place to another - or maybe both. Without firm evidence I wouldn't want to speculate.

It's a very interesting question!

[Gracy]

I reckon one thing bothers me about this whole ongoing thing, is the following: whatever the cause of our supposed "fallen state", popular opinion on the subject, regardless of point of view, is always pointed outward and seldom pointed inward.

It's seldom anything "we" do, it's almost always fault of "the other".

I do recognize outside influence, but I also recognize our own complicity. Precious few of us have no blood on our hands.

[TomKat]

To answer your question - are there demons underground? I really don't know, there is certainly a great amount of evil stalking this earth and tunnel systems are rumoured to be far more extensive worldwide than is commonly thought. They could be places where evil beings dwell, or they could be simply there for pragmatic reasons of storage or getting from one place to another - or maybe both.

Red Elk said that there are reptilians mining the inside of the earth. Edward Snowden said something about more intelligent beings than humans inside the earth. UFOs are frequently seen diving into the ocean. Edward Shaver wrote about the Dero and Tero inside the earth. There've been reports of reptilians coming out of the earth in the Superstition Mountains. Indian legends about the sky gods kicking the asses of the underground gods... Faeries, trolls and gnomes are said to come from underground. Hopi legends about the 3rd, 4th and 5th (this) worlds suggests a tiered reality beneath our feet.

[Gwin Ru]

Well, there are many accounts of a strong smell of sulphur when interdimentional things materialize into 3D like reptilians or dracos... on the other hand, ghosts, like demons, can go through walls, float in the air or sink in the ground without any troubles... so, that combining the two, one can understand the identification of interdimentionals appearing out of nowhere with the realm of Vulcan's forges and Hades... but, what do I know...

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I always felt that the "lower" realms were evocative of a lower vibrational frequency- i.e. the lower astral. There is definitely an unseen influence that has been called many things over the years - Archons, Demons, Devils, Jinn -that can influence humans and generally leads to a generation of negative emotions such as fear, anger, hatred, which are apparently harvested or used energetically.The danger that I see is not that humans refuse to take responsibility, but that they are unaware of the manipulation/influence of these forces. This results in mind patterns that are interpreted as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, psychopathy etc. I feel we are at the point where some will recognize these influences and begin to practice better psychic hygiene.

[thepainterdoug]

THE C I A

who runs them, i dont know

[Hermoor]

From the top down I guess it starts with the ineffable master of all creation.

From the bottom up I'm looking around and thinking "It's not me or my neighbour. Our anybody else in our street. Well they'll be in another street then, but not anywhere near here." And so the search continues.

Sometimes I think of it from a historical perspective. If Ghenghis Khan was really the main man back in the day, who and what changed since then? It gets fruity around Napoleon's time. And forever difficult to clearly interpret. The system relies on apparently impregnable levels of secrecy. Yet in time this system too will fall as all inexorably do.

It fascinates me that, for example, 'England's' Queen Elizabeth II is one of many currently listed as a princesses of the Holy Roman Empire. It begs the obvious question who is the Emperor/Empress and what mechanism put him/her there? And why do these titles exist at all nowadays? Didn't the Holy Roman Empire officially die out in the mid to late 19th century or something?

I remember watching a BBC history documentary with Tony Robinson. It was all about the Templar Knights. He officially stated that the order died out with de Molay in Paris in the early 13th century. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I know Templar Knights for goodness sake, it's no big secret the order has been very much alive after de Molay!

The photo of a Rothschild poking Prince Charles in the chest with a big, stiff, podgy finger says a lot. Basically you don't go poking senior royalty in the chest unless you want your head lopped orf or they are your bitches.

The body language fascinates me. When the Pope meets the top parasites I'm always checking out who is bowing and scraping and who is the cat with the cream?

I think it's very true that this lot can be all but cracked by their symbolism alone. It's very telling and absolutely everywhere. Their geographical footprint is worth mentioning too along with flags and heraldry.

I'm pretty sure the Druids have a dog in this fight, but then so many factions do.

There is always a Boss of all Bosses. And the usual suspects are sticklers for their heirarchy aren't they? Plenty will know in spite of their relatively miniscule numbers.

Honestly, on one level I reckon it's nothing more than an old wizard or witch of Oz figure competing with and against other allies and wannabees and the control always emanates from that central melting pot. It's a simple enough game played out of our sight and over our heads. They know the numbers would crush them were the game to be played openly.

Above that level? It goes otherworldly shortly thereafter. At least I've yet to figure out any other logical alternative to that conclusion..

[Bluegreen]

Pictorial guide:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFqeMIAXoAYoe8i.jpg

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[holcaul]

Thank you everyone who shared their thoughts and contributed ideas on that subject. I do have a few issues/questions that have always bothered me.

1. David Icke, Bill Deagle and others talk about hyper dimensional beings that create the “elites” take over them and/ manipulate them into exexcuting very dangerous things.

2. What is annunaki’s and reptilians end goal?

3. Is there such thing As a “cosmic rule” of a level playing field.

4. Considering these hyperdimensional beings have been interfering with our affairs for thousands of years, why exactly haven’t they succeeded yet.

5. Are there any hyper dimensional beings that are on the side of mankind? Or are we left to fend for ourselves on a totally uneven playing field.

Please give me answers to the best of your knowledge. Because, honestly, hopelessness is kind of overwhelming me.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

4. One theory: these beings do not have physical form, but use other physical beings to manifest energy in this realm. Since they are parasitical - using us- the goal is to keep the host alive as long as possible. Sometimes they overreach. Possibly they “infected” the destroyed planet that makes up the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, they may have also destroyed beings/ civilizations on Mars. We would be the third planet in our solar system to fall victim. We see parasites sicken and kill populations of wild creatures, so what is happening is just a more sophisticated version of that process.

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you everyone who shared their thoughts and contributed ideas on that subject. I do have a few issues/questions that have always bothered me.

1. David Icke, Bill Deagle and others talk about hyper dimensional beings that create the “elites” take over them and/ manipulate them into exexcuting very dangerous things.

2. What is annunaki’s and reptilians end goal?

3. Is there such thing As a “cosmic rule” of a level playing field.

4. Considering these hyperdimensional beings have been interfering with our affairs for thousands of years, why exactly haven’t they succeeded yet.

5. Are there any hyper dimensional beings that are on the side of mankind? Or are we left to fend for ourselves on a totally uneven playing field.

Please give me answers to the best of your knowledge. Because, honestly, hopelessness is kind of overwhelming me.

My personal best answers! :flower: When you wrote "hopelessness is kind of overwhelming me", I really understand. :heart:


I think they're both correct.
I don't know. I was told by Henry Deacon (Camelot witness), who really did know a lot of stuff, that there were two different Anunnaki groups, one friendly and one hostile. (The Anunnaki are a very ancient space-faring race, nothing to do with "Nibiru". See my opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki&p=216395&viewfull=1#post216395) on this thread: The Anunnaki.)
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki)
Yes, but the rules are sometimes broken — just like with humans. There are renegade groups that are pretty powerful.
Great question. They've not yet succeeded because of our own strength and free will. That's easy to forget. If we were that vulnerable, we'd have been enslaved thousands of years ago or more. The very fact you can ask this question, and I can answer it as best I can, should be inspiring to us all. :sun:
Yes, we have allies. I'm personally certain of this.

[Bluegreen]

Thank you everyone who shared their thoughts and contributed ideas on that subject. I do have a few issues/questions that have always bothered me.

1. David Icke, Bill Deagle and others talk about hyper dimensional beings that create the “elites” take over them and/ manipulate them into exexcuting very dangerous things.

2. What is annunaki’s and reptilians end goal?

Ownership of the Beautiful Blue Planet and its resources


3. Is there such thing As a “cosmic rule” of a level playing field.

What comes around goes around


4. Considering these hyperdimensional beings have been interfering with our affairs for thousands of years, why exactly haven’t they succeeded yet.

They are in the process of doing so


5. Are there any hyper dimensional beings that are on the side of mankind?

Jesus

[Elainie]

1. Resources and human/soul trafficking trading.

2.Power and control, they don't know any other way.

3.Yes and it's complex.

4.I believe we have been enslaved for thousands of years.

5., Christ Jesus as one, unsure of others.

[Eagle Eye]

If I have to speak from holy scriptures revealed in different times, from Abraham, to Moses, to Jesus and to Muhammad. In this reality we are living, since Adam and Eve made the decision to eat the forbidden fruit, humanity will be free to choose their path, to choose order (following the universal laws) or chaos (following their desires for power and greed). In this world Satan is not in hell (not yet), he sees us from where we do not see him. God has decreed Satan the time until the Day of Judgement, when he will be sent to Hell. So we are living in this world with our greatest enemy misleading masses as much as he can until the Day of Judgement, that will be the dividing point for humanity, the Day when God will be visible and will resurrect all humans and will judge for their deeds.

[ZenBaller]

We, human souls, are running the planet. The whole cabal structure is only the superficial layer. We, as souls, asked for this cooperation with darkness, because it is the only way for God, by taking the human form, to experience the evolution of consciousness. That cannot happen in heavenly fields where everything is smooth and light. We need the resistance, the pain, so we can realize our true nature and evolve.

[OmeyocaN777]

The universe is alive (source).
This part of our galaxy is "sick" by a "virus" (I believe from another universe).
We are the antibodies (maybe not everyone) sent from the source...
The 3d realm originally was the field where the souls were evolving quickly to become creators (dualism) but now it's corrupt...(that explains the confusion)
Good and Evil at higher frequencies is the same force but now here is not the case...
Our purpose here is to bring back balance and to send to the source as many as we can, infected spirits (especially 4d spirits).
How we can do this? With memory/recollection/evocation...it's a frequency war. Knowledge is power...
TRUTH / ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ / Α-ΛΗΘΗ - he/she who is out of oblivion / truth is 'ring' like a bell (remembrance)
INTELLIGENT, KNOWING /ΕΞΥΠΝΟΣ / ΕΞ-ΥΠΝΟΣ - he/she who is not 'sleeping' / spell of matrix
Maybe I'm totally wrong or partly...but that is my theory until now...

Watch from 1h02'30'' until 1h05'45''
and you will see the end goal of this 'virus'
Izl-3s5trm0

[Wind]

Not any one group. There are different service to self oriented factions trying to steer things their way, that's true. At this time it would seem that the forces of the darkness are having the upper hand, but that is only one perspective. There are influences of various kind.

However, the more conscious one is the lesser that being can be influenced. A fully sovereign being cannot be controlled.

Forces of light are working for the benefit of humanity, but there always has been and always will be a tug of war between light and dark on this plane of existence. The heart of man is the battlefield where light and dark meet and polarization of the soul is the prize, but ultimately light and love shall always prevail as that is what God is. Ultimately we are that unlimited, indescribable Love too, which is the Creator. Everything else is just a mere a distortion of that truth.

[Chris Gilbert]

I reckon one thing bothers me about this whole ongoing thing, is the following: whatever the cause of our supposed "fallen state", popular opinion on the subject, regardless of point of view, is always pointed outward and seldom pointed inward.

It's seldom anything "we" do, it's almost always fault of "the other".

I do recognize outside influence, but I also recognize our own complicity. Precious few of us have no blood on our hands.

Good point!

People get too lost in blaming ETs/George Soros/SJWS/alt-right and all other manor of actors for the state of the world. While those all may be contributing factors, we have to stop thinking like victims, and realize how we ourselves are the architects of the here and now. Even when people do start to "wake up", I feel that many still have a somewhat myopic view, thinking mainly terms of their own life or country.

One powerful personal experience I had awhile back was when I first started doing a form of Tree Qigong. It gave me a direct, vivid impression of how the tree wasn't just a "thing", but a living entity, spiritually aware on its own level. After that I felt a deep pit of horror form in my stomach, upon realizing that homo sapiens like me have been wantonly wreaking havoc on the natural world for millennia, LONG before our current problems.

[Gracy]

One powerful personal experience I had awhile back was when I first started doing a form of Tree Qigong. It gave me a direct, vivid impression of how the tree wasn't just a "thing", but a living entity, spiritually aware on its own level. After that I felt a deep pit of horror form in my stomach, upon realizing that homo sapiens like me have been wantonly wreaking havoc on the natural world for millennia, LONG before our current problems.

Thanks for sharing that Chris, a powerful and life changing experience indeed!

One of the more profound experiences I've had along those lines was what began as a very everyday, mundane activity, of walking into a Sam's Club (a big all purpose box store for those outside the US) to pick up a few odds and ends, and suddenly "seeing" the other customers in what the best I can describe would be in a version of their "light bodies".

Other everyday people doing normal everyday things, mindless of it even, and yet suddenly every person I noticed was almost glowing, and radiating out a divine power and energy. It was all I could do to not just stand there and stare with my mouth hanging open!

There's a lot going on behind the scenes as you have already noticed, and it just takes the rare moments of for whatever reason temporarily shifting the normal frequency in which we witness our collective reality. Very much in line with Don Juan's description of shifting the "assemblage point" just a click.

Something I always keep close to me is from my studies of the ancient philosophers, great spiritual teachers, etc. None of them ever led us into a golden age, and I seriously doubt that has ever been the point. Their point to me has always focused one way or another on self mastery, despite any given set of negative circumstances in the world one finds themselves hopelessly surrounded by.

We do have an influence, but IMO only when we're at least somewhat aware of our infinite potential.

In the end who's really in charge?

Damn good question, and there's many ways to make that dog bark!

[spade]

Doesnt matter all this talk, theory and understanding.... try reasoning with a cop who’s about to stab you with a needle, toss you into a detention center or kidnap your kids under the guise of CPS. No amount of preparation of thinking will get you anywhere. Physical action en mass needs to happen.

[janette]

I would say Jesus Christ and ultimately the supreme creator of all that is would be on our side..at the end of the day no being ,demon ,devil ,reptilian has the ultimate power that the creator has.

[Tyy1907]

I would say Jesus Christ and ultimately the supreme creator of all that is would be on our side..at the end of the day no being ,demon ,devil ,reptilian has the ultimate power that the creator has.

I totally agree and help is there for the asking.

[Hermoor]

At this time I'd like us to spare a thought for Aaron Russo.

My bulldustometer couldn't detect the slightest trace of bulldust about him. From the footage and interviews I saw of the man he seemed to be a rare mix of gifted, true , brave and exceptionally well informed.

Whoever gave the big green light for 9/11 was, in my own opinion, the generally acknowledged world leader of the time. An event on that scale and the size of the cover up? There can be no other explanation.

Russo fingered Nelson Rockefeller as having advanced knowledge of 9/11. He also fingered Rockefeller for saying that 'they' wanted to chip everybody in the world.

Rockefeller was obviously a significant lower tier member of that which really governs from the shadows.

I'd be holding his feet to the fire first, along with the character who likes poking the Queen of England's first born son in the chest. The 'top' is only a step or two from there.

Humanity didn't get off its knees with 9/11. We submitted again. The monster which really governs us had its biggest meal in generations. And now its back bigger, badder and more monstrous than ever before. Who can possibly be surprised by this?

Don't feed the monster, folks. It only ever takes you for an idiot to be shackled to more idiocracies of its connivance.

More than anything, ANYTHING, else the monster wants our minds. It is through taking over our minds that it intends to lead us to our own oblivion. It's such a simple little psychological trick to lead humanity by the nose and the solution is equally and oppositely simple. Reject it.

[Hermoor]

Perhaps in view of the current turbulence it's also worth mentioning the relatively recent death of David Rockefeller.

He was at least the patriarch of a very influential family. There's always a period of bedding in a new head of family as others from near and far jostle for position on the re-configured board.

Historically, further along from the Napoleonic period I last posted about, the tale of General MacArthur from WW2 intrigues me.

Specifically MacArthur was said to be enraged that he was denied the clear chance to take Berlin before the Russians. Did I remember that correctly?

America acting solely in the best interests of America would surely have backed MacArthur to take Berlin. So forces greater than America were telling America what to do.

Just like at the start of the war with Pearl Harbour. America appears to have known in advance about Pearl Harbour. So they weren't acting in their best and most natural interests. They were having their strings pulled by the puppet master and playing out their role on the global stage.

I mention it only because the whole world got carved up anew for the next leg of this insane prophecy fulfilling journey. And we now seem to be on the cusp of some similar carve up again.

Don't feed the moster, folks. Jab him in the backside with his own fetid carving knife and tell him to get raffled.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... well, this was the way it worked up until recently and who/what was pulling the levers at each levels which generated the now famous phrase of:
"The lies are different with each level..." attributed to R. Hoagland
WATCH-SHARE-URGENT: The Global Financial System EXPLAINED RIGHT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfyc7_k4RPA) 59:11

Sep 13, 2020

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJzWGGaZLe2N4AVGS-_eSRYpS-mZmAIcQXF1ryIyBA=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ) SPEAK Project (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ)

Rfyc7_k4RPA

[Hermoor]

Interesting.

In the 16:40s she starts saying it was switched off.

On balance I'd probably disagree with that, but who knows?

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=azproductions;1381664 Do you think it’s humans? Reptiles? Demons? Aliens? The devil? ]

Yes!!!!!

A picture is worth 1,000 words

44733

If you look closely and this ancient Egyptian mural - you will see exactly the nested layers of control represented by each layer's leader pulling the puppet strings of the layer below - ultimately revealing who is really in charge.




Blessings Luke

Here is an enlarged version of what appears to be the same egyptian mural which has been referenced in several lectures/video's that I have seen throughout the years

https://i.ibb.co/26Z4jFP/Egyptian-Mural-Demonic-Forces-Control-the-World-01.jpg

I am not sure why it is appearing on the digital art website - if it is a fake then many have been duped. I am sure it was not sold as a forgery.:thumbsup: Perhaps someone out there can shed some light on this fascinating topic . Regardless, the message conveyed from the hyeroglyph/painting coordinate very well with what has been articulated on this thread.

Here is more on the subject for the inquisitive mind:

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4117984/pg1

[Sue (Ayt)]

A picture is worth 1,000 words

44733

If you look closely and this ancient Egyptian murial - you will see exactly the nested layers of control represented by each layer's leader pulling the puppet strings of the layer below - ultimately revealing who is really in charge.


Blessings Luke


I am curious to know where this image came from, and perhaps read more about it. I tried a search, but couldn't find it anywhere.
Do you have anymore info about it, Luke?

*added info: Further searching now is showing that this image is not an ancient Egyptian mural, but instead is an work by deviant artist Svetoslawa displayed at this link: DeviantArt (https://www.deviantart.com/svetoslawa/art/Changes-of-Constitution-in-Russia-829893407)

Propaganda sure does abound everywhere. We all must be more careful than ever before accepting any info as truth, it seems.

[greybeard]

Im running my world (or so I think) --- isn't everyone running theirs? Smiling
Chris

[East Sun]

Im running my world (or so I think) --- isn't everyone running theirs? Smiling
Chris

By avoiding most of the part of the world that I think is negative I run my world as best I can. As we age we
need to make wise decisions in order to literally survive.

[holistic1]

This lady says it better than anything I have ever heard.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iFqbSXY8gNz5/
Mel K has worked for Donald Trump and knows all about him as a real man (Not what the Media likes to have us believe) and she exposes the corruption of the Deep State and The Cabal and gives us an insight to who has destroyed the world.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
and I have to say Charlie Ward is top drawer as well.

[Chester]

I reckon one thing bothers me about this whole ongoing thing, is the following: whatever the cause of our supposed "fallen state", popular opinion on the subject, regardless of point of view, is always pointed outward and seldom pointed inward.

It's seldom anything "we" do, it's almost always fault of "the other".

I do recognize outside influence, but I also recognize our own complicity. Precious few of us have no blood on our hands.

I have blood on my hands. Who else is able to be publicly honest?

[This, IMO, is a great post, Gracy May... thanks, Edina, for pointing us to it]

[Kryztian]

Kim Iversen asks Whitney Webb, who is controlling all the evil networks in the world. From her research digging deep, it is basically three things:


Intelligence Agencies


Organized Crime


Corporate Power



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[palehorse]

If you ever got deep inside of a cave, then you will know how it feels, the chills are real, the feeling of been observed, etc.. I had been inside a few in different continents and the feeling is the same. I mean caves are ruptures that takes anyone prepared to go into the guts of earth to see what is in there.
I know people into spelunking, one of them is very skilled in cave diving, they say some caves has underground rivers that are insanely long (like crossing continents), some are like tunnels but submerged. We all heard about these underground tunnels that connects the entire world, some of them has water in it. Not possible for humans traffic in there, but maybe something else.

As far as I know, Brazil, Vietnam, China has entrances to the earth's gut. I went to the one in Brazil long ago, never passed the "the devil's throat" section, I literally panicked that day, awful feeling.


[edit] apologies forgot to refrain to the question of the thread..

Regarding the question: who is running the world?

I don't know but I am very suspicious about a group of very nasty Alien races, I have the feeling we (the humans) are in the middle of a dispute, so to extend a bit on that, I have the feeling that we don't belong here, but it is not personal feeling it is a holistic feeling that we humans are not at home.