If You Ruled the World....

[Bill Ryan]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

[norman]

We DO rule the world, but we haven't yet sorted out the corruption of our ability to do it.


Our personal sovereignty isn't to rule, it's to relate incorruptibly.

[TargeT]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

Abrogate the position.

[syrwong]

To build an egalitarian world, step by step. First step must be to minimize the evil of money. A good start will be to achieve income equality gradually by stipulating the maximum income allowed should be equal to say, five times the minimum income. Excess income if any goes to the state. I do not believe however able, however intelligent, or "important" an individual, he or she deserves a much greater income than any other person.

[ByTheNorthernSea]

Understand how I'd been able to become totally incorruptible & benevolent whilst wielding absolute power, then remove the absolute bit and base some sort of new global constitution upon this for all those elected or chosen to wield power, from the highest to the lowest, to operate by.

[Plissken Boon]

You're obviously talking about Trump lol!

Too bad the people who control the money, the media, education, big pharma ... and social media ... make sure that is an impossible pipe dream

The moral of the story ... people who want a better World ... need to be intelligent enough not to give control of that World ... away to evil criminals

The secret to controlling the World ... is to control the minds of the people

Donald Trump is the only person in over 100 years that has threatened that control ... hence the intense war being waged against him ...

The bottom line ... is that ... one way, or another ... to control the World ... you have to wrest control of peoples minds ...

That battle is currently being fought in America ...

It would only take a few words from Donald Trump ... direct to camera ... direct to the American people ... to win this battle ...

It hasn't happened so far ... it's probably unlikely to happen before Nov 3rd ... it's unlikely to happen after Nov 3rd ...

Pipe dreams ... will remain pipe dreams

I would like to be a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator ...

I'm saving up so I can buy all the banks and all the media ...

pb

[Satori]

I'd dismantle all technology, divide all habitable land in a fair and equitable manner among all people, and encourage them to return to a state of nature, seek spirituality, restore the family and local communities, grow food, keep the water clean, etc..., and live in peace and harmony amongst themselves--regardless of race, greed, sexual orientation....

I would ask that all disputes be resolved at a local level, and that the final "appeal", if necessary, be brought to me for resolution.

I would have and enforce only two rules: 1) Do undo others as you would have them do undo you, and 2) do not intentionally do any harm to any person, creature or nature.

[Kryztian]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

1) Form a corporation. Demand some type of income stream/tax to support it - probably no more than a billion dollars a year - perhaps by taxing the billionaires of the world. Use the money to start an international media company. It would be focus on news of the world that does not normally get covered in the corporatist media.

2) Reserve the right to make any individual on the planet appear for an interview to be broadcast on this media company. Ask the questions of people in power that should get asked and never do. Also interview whistleblowers and people in prison and other voices that normally don't get access.

3) Insure that anyone who was interviewed on the show was given immunity for disclosing any classified information.

4) Insure that no nation would be able to censor the media companies speech and that people around the world had just as much access to my company as they would to any state run or major corporate media.

5) Since I don't that that their can really be an incorruptible dictator, I would also abdicate any other power.

That's it. I don't think any one person can solve all the world's problem. Only the totality of human beings can do that, but they can do a better and easier job if their heads aren't clouded by misinformation. All I would try to do is contradict the corrupt information establishment that is out there.

[rgray222]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

Many people already live in such a world. They are ruled by their God whoever that might be, Allah, Krishna, Jehovah etc. An eternal benevolent leader that is incorruptible.

In the secular world, I would hate to see one leader no matter how kind, benevolent and fair that person may be. I understand that I am not specifically answering your question but I have always believed a group of elders, 65 and over who have retired from their chosen careers and have little interest in money and power should be making the decisions for society. They would serve a term of 3-5 years with people rotating in and out periodically.

I might choose to rule a chocolate factory, an innovative toy company or a space exploration company but never the world.

[Denise/Dizi]

What a very thought provoking question.. I don't think that anyone could come up with the perfect solutions to the world's issues in just one thought and reply.. And what is good for some is not always good for all...

GOOD QUESTION! I don't dare even try to tackle that one..

[Ewan]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

First reaction, PANIC!

Genuine people would prefer to avoid having that responsibilty. What a burden!

But I guess I would invite your good self and Wade Frazier to assist in a triumverate*.

--

* I lacked the vocabulary to come up with a better term.

[DeDukshyn]

1) I'd disclose the world's governmental, religious, historical and corporate secrets to put everyone on the same playing field. Sure it'll be a rough transition, rip the bandaid off, get over the pain more quickly.

2) I'd challenge the world's top minds and organizations to create a structured forum for discussing and planning the transformation of the current open loop, rivalrous dynamic systems that currently dictates how we do everything on earth, into closed loop dynamics systems that all work harmoniously in an over-arching closed loop ideological system. This would be a multi-generational endeavour, and the planning and participation would have to be promoted or rewarded at all levels of society including the regular civilians, to achieve this.

3) After the above have been completed, many of the problems and questions we are currently facing in the world would have obvious answers and solutions, and the solutions would be naturally implemented, or begin implementation at step 2; less restrictive governance, more individual freedom and thus desired participation in the solutions, vastly improved and leveled education, change the individual concept of ownership to one more closely resembling the way native people view it, etc. etc. Continue these implementations until end game dynamics are seen as, and function as, an undesirable decision making motivation across all societies. The very vast majority of all the issues we face today would be automatically solved by this process as a matter of route.

4) Challenge all levels of humanity to participate in grand collective goals for humanity -- affordable civilian space travel, solar / space exploration, spiritual explorations, responsible technologies that work synergistically with nature, etc etc.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... hmmm... learn from the lessons of the past... and the first ordre du jour would be to task true scientists to design ways of detecting/discovering tests to ferret out with 100% accuracy any psychopaths/sociopaths/antisocials and prevent them from holding any leadership positions and showcase them as textbook examples of how past civilizations went down the drain... next is education...

[PurpleLama]

I think re-issuing every corporate charter to include a bill of human rights might be an ok place to start.

[Arak]

Just random 10 things that came to my mind:
1st thing: limit number of allowed children per person to one. Lets just face it: the biggest problem of all is that there are just too many of us in this planet.
2nd: limit personal wealth per person to 10 million dollars. That should be more than enough for anybody. All above that would be funneled into medical and natural sciences & research.
3rd: ban wars. Like totally. Issues should be solved by negotiation.
4th: mandatory daily meditation of 30 minutes or more for all older than 5 years old.
5th: ban eating meat that one has not hunted / fished by self.
6th: ban leisure traveling by flying.
7th: limit credit / mortgage interests to max 1%
8th ban all religional doctrines that support racism or discrimination of anykind.
9th: free healthcare for all people on earth (funding from 2nd)
10th: limit of max. 100 personal items per person.

Please understand that this list was not considered too carefully. <3

[Hermoor]

the first ordre du jour would be to task true scientists to design ways of detecting/discovering tests to ferret out with 100% accuracy any psychopaths/sociopaths/antisocials and prevent them from holding any leadership positions and showcase them as textbook examples of how past civilizations went down the drain

That was pretty much my general reaction to the thread title too.

[DeDukshyn]

Just random 10 things that came to my mind:
1st thing: limit number of allowed children per person to one. Lets just face it: the biggest problem of all is that there are just too many of us in this planet.
2nd: limit personal wealth per person to 10 million dollars. That should be more than enough for anybody. All above that would be funneled into medical and natural sciences & research.
3rd: ban wars. Like totally. Issues should be solved by negotiation.
4th: mandatory daily meditation of 30 minutes or more for all older than 5 years old.
5th: ban eating meat that one has not hunted / fished by self.
6th: ban leisure traveling by flying.
7th: limit credit / mortgage interests to max 1%
8th ban all religional doctrines that support racism or discrimination of anykind.
9th: free healthcare for all people on earth (funding from 2nd)
10th: limit of max. 100 personal items per person.

Please understand that this list was not considered too carefully. <3

Sounds a bit like a one world communist government ... not that they aren't good practices to put into place - they are all good. I suppose being un-corruptable and benevolent as per the OP would be an important aspect in getting such policies implemented without creating massive civil wars in the process.

Such a tricky thing it is, to go from where we are, to where we want to be. It will require a transformation of some sort - like caterpillar to butterfly.

[Zirconian]

I'd be empowering others to find their own inner world and to share that wisdom for the benefit of humanity and Gaia

[Hermoor]

It'd be free beer on Fridays and a boot up the backside for anyone late to work on Monday morning.

I think I'll work on developing my manifesto from that impregnable base. I fancy my chances after the mob have ferreted out the current lot.

[chocolate milk]

I’d appoint a large panel of the most brilliant and honest people from all around the world to create a recommended system for every country to implement as a starting point to reform each country. This entire process would be a dialogue and live-streamed around the world.

I’d leave it to the panel and the citizens of the countries to work out the details but would insist that politicians are no more and in their place are administration staff who are each hired based on their ability to fill the position they’re applying for. No more voting on parties based on their opinions and policies. The policies and opinions of the administration is irrelevant, the policies are determined according to what best serves the citizens of each country.

The system would ensure global coherence while honouring the sovereignty of every country and each country would honour the sovereignty of individuals. The foundation of every country is liberty, ensuring every individual is free to live their highest expression of humanity.

I would personally suggest David Bohm’s books and interviews are a part of the new school curriculum, to ensure humanity understands the limitation of thought, coherence of the universe and our planet, hence the inevitable elimination of an incoherent system and society.

[East Sun]

I will have to think about this...

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

[Mashika]

I'd dismantle all technology, divide all habitable land in a fair and equitable manner among all people, and encourage them to return to a state of nature, seek spirituality, restore the family and local communities, grow food, keep the water clean, etc..., and live in peace and harmony amongst themselves--regardless of race, greed, sexual orientation....




I would ask that all disputes be resolved at a local level, and that the final "appeal", if necessary, be brought to me for resolution.

I would have and enforce only two rules: 1) Do undo others as you would have them do undo you, and 2) do not intentionally do any harm to any person, creature or nature.

This implies a power structure, therefore eventually the lower levels would look for ways to raise up the chain of command and power, until the very next person below you would be tempted, then you would must likely be on a situation where you delegated the power so much that a lot of what happens is not under your direct control, and the carpet can be swept from your feet at any time. If you make a trip and trust your people, it is very likely that at some point you won't return from your vacation :)

Since there would be no technology available, it also means you would not be in complete awareness or be able to communicate what's happening in real time, you would be caught by surprise. And any news that are fabricated about your demise, would be the only news any people would know about, except for rumors here and there which would soon be labeled as "fake news" and "conspiracy theories".

People would be programmed to think that anyone that suspects something is wrong about your death most likely did not believe in you in the first place and would be considered a traitor to your memory and leadership example

The only way to enforce rules is by having a power structure, which eventually gets corrupted no matter what

:behindsofa:

[DeDukshyn]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

[Mashika]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds and educate them on this new reality, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

[DeDukshyn]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

[Mashika]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

Well you are un-corruptable, but are the other people around you? You can't be everywhere at all times, so you have to delegate, the delegates report back, if you want to make sure they are telling you the truth, you need another set of people who will check on them...

Also once you and the closer people to you die, you will be remembered and given statues and get possibly called, the "founders" or the "fathers". Then the people who were below your top level trust group *eventually* will start doing stuff under your name, and it dilutes from there, because there's no one above them anymore, you won't be around to enforce anything

Slightly off topic, but got reminded of this :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=44837&d=1603511267

[Mashika]

I would probably get corrupted anyways, not by other's but by myself and from within. Because i would be in the need to make sure nothing goes out of order and everyone has the same chances and has a happy life, which would be impossible at some point, eventually. At that point i would get angry and enforce rules, which would be unfair to some and fair to others, and then that would be my demise

[DeDukshyn]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

Well you are un-corruptable, but are the other people around you? You can't be everywhere at all times, so you have to delegate, the delegates report back, if you want to make sure they are telling you the truth, you need another set of people who will check on them...
....
...

Unfortunately I cannot see the image you posted. :)


But to the the discussion ...

That is why the system change needs to be more bottom up than top down. In a society that functions within much more transparent systems (task list one on my OP), corruption becomes much more difficult to the point where it is unsustainable, at which time it will be something avoided, and not schemed. If you release the worlds secrets, create open and transparent systems while simultaneously educating the masses of the supiority of non-rivalrous dynamics, over rivalrous dynamics, things like corruption will become both not worth the risk nor worth the reward. but it would require both those elements - the "leveling of the playing field" as I put it in my OP, and the re-education of optimal dynamic systems to operate in. As I stated, I am confident that these systems are demonstrably superior, and therefore will become the desire of the masses if properly relayed to them.

So one would require the "shock and awe" of item one, to transition more smoothly into item two on my OP list. By the time item two was complete, corruption would be seen as an undesirable, and in that environment, it more or less would be an actuality. Therefore a self correcting problem, given the changed environment.

As I said this would have to be a multi-generational endeavour. If I were to die of old age, I would need to pass the project down to one who also had the qualities of un-corruptable and fully benevolent.

[Mashika]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

Well you are un-corruptable, but are the other people around you? You can't be everywhere at all times, so you have to delegate, the delegates report back, if you want to make sure they are telling you the truth, you need another set of people who will check on them...
....
...

Unfortunately I cannot see the image you posted. :)


But to the the discussion ...

That is why the system change needs to be more bottom up than top down. In a society that functions within much more transparent systems (task list one on my OP), corruption becomes much more difficult to the point where it is unsustainable, at which time it will be something avoided, and not schemed. If you release the worlds secrets, create open and transparent systems while simultaneously educating the masses of the supiority of non-rivalrous dynamics, over rivalrous dynamics, things like corruption will become both not worth the risk nor worth the reward. but it would require both those elements - the "leveling of the playing field" as I put it in my OP, and the re-education of optimal dynamic systems to operate in.

So one would require the "shock and awe" of item one, to transition more smoothly into item to on my OP list. By the time item two was complete, corruption would be seen as an undesirable, and in that environment, it more or less would be an actuality. Therefore a self correcting problem, given the changed environment.

As I said this would have to be a multi-generational endeavour. If I were to die of old age, I would need to pass the project down to one who also had the qualities of un-corruptable and fully benevolent.

There was a time on earth, when no one knew how to control fire, then one person found out, he had power and control over it. The other people thought of him as someone special

Then he gave the power and knowledge of fire to the other people :)

Up to these days, the person who has the "fire" inside, is a leader, top level human, bright and strong, powerful, etc

"You are on fire!"

Primal motivation goes way beyond education, i remember these words from a teacher way back. You can't control that when you are 14 you will decide on your own that your grand parent is wrong in some things, or your dad or mom, and you will grow your own ideals and concepts internal so no one knows, for years maybe, then once you are "free" you will implement them on your life, and the life of people around you that you can influence

That's not about education, but natural human nature

If you try to remove this from people, then you are programming them, at which point you may already be creating a cult of sorts around your own ideas on how the world must be. It's a dangerous road, i'm not saying you are wrong, but what i'm saying is that you may not be in full control of this once other people take over, and it can lead into very bad things in the future, or a reset and repeat scenario that ends up taking human kind a thousand years back in progress. It's not possible to know what the road could lead into, in the end

[Mashika]

To build an egalitarian world, step by step. First step must be to minimize the evil of money. A good start will be to achieve income equality gradually by stipulating the maximum income allowed should be equal to say, five times the minimum income. Excess income if any goes to the state. I do not believe however able, however intelligent, or "important" an individual, he or she deserves a much greater income than any other person.

Welcome to the USSR, Tovarishch Syrwong. Your apartment awaits you on street 45, building 5, floor 7, apartment 3. The water is limited from 9 to 5, no lights on after 10 pm

[DeDukshyn]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

Well you are un-corruptable, but are the other people around you? You can't be everywhere at all times, so you have to delegate, the delegates report back, if you want to make sure they are telling you the truth, you need another set of people who will check on them...
....
...

Unfortunately I cannot see the image you posted. :)


But to the the discussion ...

That is why the system change needs to be more bottom up than top down. In a society that functions within much more transparent systems (task list one on my OP), corruption becomes much more difficult to the point where it is unsustainable, at which time it will be something avoided, and not schemed. If you release the worlds secrets, create open and transparent systems while simultaneously educating the masses of the supiority of non-rivalrous dynamics, over rivalrous dynamics, things like corruption will become both not worth the risk nor worth the reward. but it would require both those elements - the "leveling of the playing field" as I put it in my OP, and the re-education of optimal dynamic systems to operate in.

So one would require the "shock and awe" of item one, to transition more smoothly into item to on my OP list. By the time item two was complete, corruption would be seen as an undesirable, and in that environment, it more or less would be an actuality. Therefore a self correcting problem, given the changed environment.

As I said this would have to be a multi-generational endeavour. If I were to die of old age, I would need to pass the project down to one who also had the qualities of un-corruptable and fully benevolent.

There was a time on earth, when no one knew how to control fire, then one person found out, he had power and control over it. The other people thought of him as someone special

Then he gave the power and knowledge of fire to the other people :)

Up to these days, the person who has the "fire" inside, is a leader, top level human, bright and strong, powerful, etc

"You are on fire!"

Primal motivation goes way beyond education, i remember these words from a teacher way back. You can't control that when you are 14 you will decide on your own that your grand parent is wrong in some things, or your dad or mom, and you will grow your own ideals and concepts internal so no one knows, for years maybe, then once you are "free" you will implement them on your life, and the life of people around you that you can influence

That's not about education, but natural human nature

If you try to remove this from people, then you are programming them, at which point you may already be creating a cult of sorts around your own ideas on how the world must be. It's a dangerous road, i'm not saying you are wrong, but what i'm saying is that you may not be in full control of this once other people take over, and it can lead into very bad things in the future, or a reset and repeat scenario that ends up taking human kind a thousand years back in progress. It's not possible to know what the road could lead into, in the end

Corruption is not a primal part of human nature - it is a result of observing (thus learning) or thinking in rivalrous dynamics terms and then believing it contains an advantage, and forming decisions around that belief - it in itself is just a belief system.

Desiring the greatest output for the least input might be a primal part of human nature. That is why you only need to demonstrate a new type of "fire" - one that is both non-rivalrous, and a greater advantage to both the individual and collective alike, and the desire for a greater output vs lesser input can be tapped.

As I pointed to earlier in a post, the transformation would be like caterpillar to butterfly. No butterfly desires to return to a caterpillar state once they realize that they are actually a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

But that is why educational reform and not dictatorship is needed -- because the way of being I propose is demonstrably superior (in the way I see it), it would only need to be presented (through education) to be realized.. I would hire the greatest minds and corporations to work on the problem of creating the system that gets us from here to there without top down dynamics, but rather encourage bottom up. Humans are in a ripe position to want strongly enough ha change on the systems that have not and are not working for us.

[Mashika]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

In a very high level way I somewhat addressed this in my second "task list" so to speak, on my previous post. I didn't get into any details, but I did indicate that it would be a multi-generational endeavour of changing human overall mindset to understand that closed loop systems are the only viable and sustainable systems long term. This is demonstrable, but it would take time to educate people.

The concept of ownership would also have to shift, this along with my former point need to be educated into the masses first so they can be willing participants. It is not remotely impossible for any culture to not see ownership in the way western people do - not because western view is more logical, but because it is less so. So this concept is also demonstrable and is a key point in moving from the current unsustainable mindset and systems to ones that we require for both survival, and coming even remotely close to our collective potential.

My first point was to release all the secrets of the world - from religious (vatican) to private corporations, to archeology, spirituality, military etc. I'm the ruler so I can do that and the masses would actually want to know. This would create a more level playing field of knowledge and allow us to work together more objectively to begin on my above points. The release of all the 'secrets' would be a bit messy, as I indicated, but it would be a "git'r'done" and cleanup afterward situation.

Addressing the open loop and rivalrous dynamic systems would require a more level playing field to properly address and the above would be that catalyst. Once you address these systems and ways of thought through demonstrable benefit for all, the vast majority will have renewed vigor for creating the new closed loop systems of the future. Open loop systems, that currently run all systems on this planet, can be easily demonstrated as not the most productive or lucrative, in the current climate of humanity wanting a better world. Therefore even the most capitalist mind will have interest. Once closed loop system implementation and the demonstrated advantage to them is properly realized, motivation can be easily given to corporations to work in these areas (efficiencies to be gained), and from there almost all the major problems of humanity are addressed, because those problems are almost all entirely a result of humanity using 'end game' zero sum dynamics in all their endeavours. It will require an augmentation of capitalism but it can be done without massive upheaval.

So the transition, what happens if we do, what happens if we don't, the logical layings out, the request for everyone's insight and participation, etc. will have to first be brought to and educated to a critical mass, then the work can begin in earnest - this is why it will likely be a multi generational effort ... but it looks doable.

And then from there ... whatever we want to collectively focus on ....

But how? Whoever is in charge of cleaning up the mess, and figuring out how to change the people's minds, would be at the top of a new power structure again :)

I suspect it would just loop into a new religion of sorts, where people are just following and have great respect for the new leaders, then it starts all over again

No -- the premise is that you a an un-corruptable ruler. It doesn't say that you lose that authority anywhere. Although without that ability, I do see your point. :)

Edit: Let me explain more .... The goal is to bring the understanding to people enough that you educate over generations to realize the benefits of closed loop non-rivalrous dynamics, so that they are seen as superior (which they are when you are facing the self-termination of open loop dynamic systems - which we currently are) . If you can accomplish this over several generation of your "rule", then the environment will have entirely changed from that of how we see it today.

From there, excess greed will be seen and function as something of only the most weak - not the most powerful ... etc.

From there you can shift the attention of the human collective to grand collective projects.

It just needs to be properly demonstrated.

Well you are un-corruptable, but are the other people around you? You can't be everywhere at all times, so you have to delegate, the delegates report back, if you want to make sure they are telling you the truth, you need another set of people who will check on them...
....
...

Unfortunately I cannot see the image you posted. :)


But to the the discussion ...

That is why the system change needs to be more bottom up than top down. In a society that functions within much more transparent systems (task list one on my OP), corruption becomes much more difficult to the point where it is unsustainable, at which time it will be something avoided, and not schemed. If you release the worlds secrets, create open and transparent systems while simultaneously educating the masses of the supiority of non-rivalrous dynamics, over rivalrous dynamics, things like corruption will become both not worth the risk nor worth the reward. but it would require both those elements - the "leveling of the playing field" as I put it in my OP, and the re-education of optimal dynamic systems to operate in.

So one would require the "shock and awe" of item one, to transition more smoothly into item to on my OP list. By the time item two was complete, corruption would be seen as an undesirable, and in that environment, it more or less would be an actuality. Therefore a self correcting problem, given the changed environment.

As I said this would have to be a multi-generational endeavour. If I were to die of old age, I would need to pass the project down to one who also had the qualities of un-corruptable and fully benevolent.

There was a time on earth, when no one knew how to control fire, then one person found out, he had power and control over it. The other people thought of him as someone special

Then he gave the power and knowledge of fire to the other people :)

Up to these days, the person who has the "fire" inside, is a leader, top level human, bright and strong, powerful, etc

"You are on fire!"

Primal motivation goes way beyond education, i remember these words from a teacher way back. You can't control that when you are 14 you will decide on your own that your grand parent is wrong in some things, or your dad or mom, and you will grow your own ideals and concepts internal so no one knows, for years maybe, then once you are "free" you will implement them on your life, and the life of people around you that you can influence

That's not about education, but natural human nature

If you try to remove this from people, then you are programming them, at which point you may already be creating a cult of sorts around your own ideas on how the world must be. It's a dangerous road, i'm not saying you are wrong, but what i'm saying is that you may not be in full control of this once other people take over, and it can lead into very bad things in the future, or a reset and repeat scenario that ends up taking human kind a thousand years back in progress. It's not possible to know what the road could lead into, in the end

Corruption is not a primal part of human nature - it is a result of observing (thus learning) or thinking in rivalrous dynamics terms and believing it contains an advantage.

Desiring the greatest output for the least input might be a primal part of human nature. That is why you only need to demonstrate a new type of "fire" - one that is both non-rivalrous, and a greater advantage to both the individual and collective alike, and the desire for a greater output vs lesser input can be tapped.

As I mentioned earlier in a post, the transformation would be like caterpillar to butterfly. No butterfly desires to return to a caterpillar state once they realize that they are actually a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

But that is why educational reform and not dictatorship is needed. I would hire the greatest minds and corporations to work on the problem of creating the system that gets us from here to there without top down dynamics, but rather encourage bottom up. Humans are in a ripe position to want strongly enough ha change on the systems that have not and are not working for us.

You would have to erase all the entirety of human history for that to happen, but also, you would be the carrier of the "virus" from one generation to the new ones, along with other people who would begin the new process

But then again, you are enforcing your own world view, which may or may not be correct in the end, but you have turned the entire world into a world that fits your views

That you are incorruptible doesn't mean you had full wisdom

If you look into Mr Bill's post


If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??


Never once he said anything about wisdom, or knowledge, or pure thoughts, or even wanting the best for the world

Hitler and Stalin, Lenin and others were probably incorruptible, and many people before them, they also were benevolent, but only to the people they liked, and they were dictators also :D

If you are a dictator, you need to enforce your views across the world, therefore, a power structure based on your ideals will be created, one that won't care about any other view but yours

[Antagenet]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

I would create a drug that puts a temporary hold on human conception and make everyone in the world take it.
Then I would give every person a series of psychological tests.
Only those who proved that they had a conscience (not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist)
and those who also had an IQ above 100
Would be given an antidote, and allowed to reproduce.

[Mashika]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

I would create a drug that puts a temporary hold on human conception and make everyone in the world take it.
Then I would give every person a series of psychological tests.
Only those who proved that they had a conscience (not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist)
and those who also had an IQ above 100
Would be given an antidote, and allowed to reproduce.

What if you were the first one to take the test, and found that you fall under that second targeted group? What would happen then?

The implications of ruling while not fit :)

[Arak]

Sounds a bit like a one world communist government ... not that they aren't good practices to put into place - they are all good. I suppose being un-corruptable and benevolent as per the OP would be an important aspect in getting such policies implemented without creating massive civil wars in the process.

Such a tricky thing it is, to go from where we are, to where we want to be. It will require a transformation of some sort - like caterpillar to butterfly.

Well yeah, you are right. But tbh, communism had some good ideas: most - if not all - are not just realistic with our intelligence and wisdom. We have too big lust for serotonin and dopamin which basically are the main drivers of capitalism: to have always more and rise in the status ladder. Some few are able to break free from these addictions temporarly, but as they are chemical reactions, it is impossible to be forever and totally free. They just feel too good.

So indeed: we would need some sort of leap in both biological and spiritual evolution before those 10 things would be possible to work.

I.e. We are pretty much screwed. :/

[Mashika]

Just random 10 things that came to my mind:
1st thing: limit number of allowed children per person to one. Lets just face it: the biggest problem of all is that there are just too many of us in this planet.
2nd: limit personal wealth per person to 10 million dollars. That should be more than enough for anybody. All above that would be funneled into medical and natural sciences & research.
3rd: ban wars. Like totally. Issues should be solved by negotiation.
4th: mandatory daily meditation of 30 minutes or more for all older than 5 years old.
5th: ban eating meat that one has not hunted / fished by self.
6th: ban leisure traveling by flying.
7th: limit credit / mortgage interests to max 1%
8th ban all religional doctrines that support racism or discrimination of anykind.
9th: free healthcare for all people on earth (funding from 2nd)
10th: limit of max. 100 personal items per person.

Please understand that this list was not considered too carefully. <3

Sounds a bit like a one world communist government ... not that they aren't good practices to put into place - they are all good. I suppose being un-corruptable and benevolent as per the OP would be an important aspect in getting such policies implemented without creating massive civil wars in the process.

Such a tricky thing it is, to go from where we are, to where we want to be. It will require a transformation of some sort - like caterpillar to butterfly.

Well i think you have a lot of truth here, back on primary school and way back before, we are always told that sharing is important and a good thing to do, only to later in life be told that you are entitled to your own stuff and you don't have/need to share to anyone else (capitalism) therefore if you have 100 billion dollars, it's what you earned yourself (or the people working below you did for you) but you are not enforced to share at all, only if you want/care, and only to the people you want to, so it's like "sharing is not that important anymore once it's not about toys at school"

I don't even know what's happening anymore :P :HELP!:

[The Moss Trooper]

I'm not sure how I'd go about installing peace and harmony upon this land if I was the Boss, but I do know this much.......

I'd de-criminalise and regulate all drugs and educate, educate, educate about them, installing as much importance as maths and language into the school curriculum about them.

------------------------ WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? ------------------------------------------

Are our post's now being edited without an explanation or notice?

The above is only half of what I wrote??

[Gwin Ru]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!Well, as they say: "The meek shall inherit the Earth..." which prompted Greg Hallett to dig into what the definition of "meek" actually is and stated as follows:
“Having the resources to fight, being trained to fight and ready to fight, but not fighting”
Where I would refine the "not fighting" into "not attacking but ready to defend." which is a rule that's circumvented by "false flags." That would yield something like:
“Having the resources to fight, being trained and ready to fight but only in defense, never as an aggressor.”
... martial arts kind of rules...

Interestingly enough, Kim Goguen started a similar project (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&p=1383282&viewfull=1#post1383282) as this thread in asking the different "Assemblies" for ideas that the restoration of "Life force" couldn't do without and project into the future the consequences of implementing such ideas. That's also pretty similar to the native elders asking their peers to consider their potential current decisions down to seven generations in the future to decide whether it's beneficial to everyone or not.

[Gracy]

I'm not sure how I'd go about installing peace and harmony upon this land if I was the Boss, but I do know this much.......

I'd de-criminalise and regulate all drugs and educate, educate, educate about them, installing as much importance as maths and language into the school curriculum about them.

------------------------ WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? ------------------------------------------

Are our post's now being edited without an explanation or notice?

The above is only half of what I wrote??

Nothing nefarious going on here. :)

I did explain in the reason for edit at the bottom of your post, but perhaps you missed it. Anyway, here's what happened: I deleted Plissken Boon's post that you had quoted, because it was rude, and then took it out of your post as well, thinking what you were expressing could stand well enough on it's own without it.

That's it, that's all that happened, hopefully this clears it up once and for all. :flower:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The key to a utopia is re-aligning the distorted human psyche and soul. See point Five.

The very FIRST thing to be done is learn exactly what the reality is at the root of all the world’s problems. See all the conspiracy theories on this forum for a list of potentials, from alien infiltration to secret societies to archons or whatever it is. Get to the bottom of that rotten core.

SECOND: Expose that truth for what it is. Expose the con that was the old political system, banking system, and bureaucracy. Expose the ruling families and hidden players for who they are and what they have done. Try them, convict them. Liquidate all their assets and distribute reparations worldwide.

THIRD. Abolish the fractional reserve banking system. Abolish usury. End poverty, hunger, and all economic strife worldwide by redistributing global resources.

FOURTH. Disclose, disclose, DISCLOSE. Disclose everything. I mean everything. All the secret files, the concealed hidden history of Humanity, all the classified truths and realities – but carefully, piecemeal over a couple of years. As part of that program share all classified information that describes and/or proves a spiritual reality. Promote spirituality and metaphysics as the new philosophical foundation.

FIFTH. As above, put the brightest minds in the world in science and metaphysics to work, with the aid of perhaps alien tech, to create and develop a kind a "God-chair", in which a person sitting in said chair undergoes an existential glimpse of Eternal Soul, to link also with the Universe and God-source, to see/hear and convene with deceased loved ones.. This 'therapy', once rolled out world-wide for every person in the world to experience at least once, will grant the experiencer a vital connection to his or her higher self, interdimensional self, past lives, and karmic plan – and thus the spiritual reality.

All fear of death would cease. All fear would cease. No more tears. Crime would cease. Power games end. Corruption would be made *impossible*. Darkness to Light. The karmic wheel will cease turning, and the soul of Humanity will begin to heal. Religion will be usurped utterly, and humanity will unite.

SIXTH. Roll out the hidden tech. Roll out the free energy, end all dependency on oil. Roll out the miracle cures and ET technology – including space craft. Repair all the damage to the environment. Begin to establish a new world economy based on tangible resources.

SEVENTH. Step down from my position. The world hereafter rebuilds and redesigns itself.

[Strat]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

Truer words were never spoken. It's just a fact of life that you will eventually have to wield the stick. This has gone on for a very long time and I don't believe anyone else has a better answer. I often refer to this as an example, (while context would change and would skew the translation) the image could essentially be morphed into someone being arrested:
https://dornsife.usc.edu/assets/sites/312/imgs/narmerp.jpg

I can't answer the question in the OP. Not to be snarky, but I feel it'd be ignorant to even try.

[AriG]

1. Eliminate passports - open travel worldwide
2. Eliminate social security numbers and all forms of personal identification
3. Eliminate all law except for the most basic required to preserve life and safety- have just enough of a legal system to oversee that
4. Eliminate all money and forms of barter. Everything is free. Keep doing what you were doing before- without income. Need something? Go get it. Over time, initial greed would dissipate when the fear of not having dissolves. Crime would cease as well. Yes initially it would be chaotic. That would subside.
5. Create a totally free, do as you will world without causing harm to others, treat all species humanely during their life and dispatch, make no attempt to manipulate or control others or society in any way and let life continue to evolve organically without restraint.

[The Moss Trooper]

I'm not sure how I'd go about installing peace and harmony upon this land if I was the Boss, but I do know this much.......

I'd de-criminalise and regulate all drugs and educate, educate, educate about them, installing as much importance as maths and language into the school curriculum about them.

------------------------ WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? ------------------------------------------

Are our post's now being edited without an explanation or notice?

The above is only half of what I wrote??

Nothing nefarious going on here. :)

I did explain in the reason for edit at the bottom of your post, but perhaps you missed it. Anyway, here's what happened: I deleted Plissken Boon's post that you had quoted, because it was rude, and then took it out of your post as well, thinking what you were expressing could stand well enough on it's own without it.

That's it, that's all that happened, hopefully this clears it up once and for all. :flower:


Yep, Loud & Clear.

I don't see the explanation at the bottom of my original post though.

[TomKat]

Right now we have a system of King of the Mountain whereby past winners can bestow favourable positions on their progeny. How about a 100% death tax, to level the playing field and force even sociopaths to give back to the society they benefited from -- no inherited wealth. Also, automatic profit-sharing for any and all employees. Universal free education and healthcare. No secret societies: clubs must publish their membership annually. Severe term limits on all public offices. Real anti-monopoly protections, with a death penalty for companies as well as people. No political parties. A chicken in every pot and 40 acres and a mule for everyone :-)

[The Moss Trooper]

The key to a utopia is re-aligning the distorted human psyche and soul. See point Five.

The very FIRST thing to be done is learn exactly what the reality is at the root of all the world’s problems. See all the conspiracy theories on this forum for a list of potentials, from alien infiltration to secret societies to archons or whatever it is. Get to the bottom of that rotten core.

SECOND: Expose that truth for what it is. Expose the con that was the old political system, banking system, and bureaucracy. Expose the ruling families and hidden players for who they are and what they have done. Try them, convict them. Liquidate all their assets and distribute reparations worldwide.

THIRD. Abolish the fractional reserve banking system. Abolish usury. End poverty, hunger, and all economic strife worldwide by redistributing global resources.

FOURTH. Disclose, disclose, DISCLOSE. Disclose everything. I mean everything. All the secret files, the concealed hidden history of Humanity, all the classified truths and realities – but carefully, piecemeal over a couple of years. As part of that program share all classified information that describes and/or proves a spiritual reality. Promote spirituality and metaphysics as the new philosophical foundation.

FIFTH. As above, put the brightest minds in the world in science and metaphysics to work, with the aid of perhaps alien tech, to create and develop a kind a "God-chair", in which a person sitting in said chair undergoes an existential glimpse of Eternal Soul, to link also with the Universe and God-source, to see/hear and convene with deceased loved ones.. This 'therapy', once rolled out world-wide for every person in the world to experience at least once, will grant the experiencer a vital connection to his or her higher self, interdimensional self, past lives, and karmic plan – and thus the spiritual reality.

All fear of death would cease. All fear would cease. No more tears. Crime would cease. Power games end. Corruption would be made *impossible*. Darkness to Light. The karmic wheel will cease turning, and the soul of Humanity will begin to heal. Religion will be usurped utterly, and humanity will unite.

SIXTH. Roll out the hidden tech. Roll out the free energy, end all dependency on oil. Roll out the miracle cures and ET technology – including space craft. Repair all the damage to the environment. Begin to establish a new world economy based on tangible resources.

SEVENTH. Step down from my position. The world hereafter rebuilds and redesigns itself.


Your fourth point Star Mariner, bolded, is an excellent statement.

What utter bastar*s keeping that info from humanity, can you imagine the path we would've gone down had it not been covered-up and kept for the benefit of a small cadre of humans.

I'm assuming that the implications would be of a positive nature, energy, technology, spirituality........ But I'm open to the possibility that the info could've been kept secret for our own benefit, that there were/are malignant implications for humanity, but I highly doubt it.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]
SEVENTH. Step down from my position. The world hereafter rebuilds and redesigns itself.That's fine and dandy... but that would only happens if the Galactic Council backed by the Universe Council allows you to step down once convinced they have a suitable replacement for the position... which is, apparently, the position Kim Goguen (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies) claims to find herself in at the moment with the Life Force Restoration Plan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGYrzW2BvY) which about exactly what your steps are about :highfive:.

[DeDukshyn]

Corruption is not a primal part of human nature - it is a result of observing (thus learning) or thinking in rivalrous dynamics terms and believing it contains an advantage.

Desiring the greatest output for the least input might be a primal part of human nature. That is why you only need to demonstrate a new type of "fire" - one that is both non-rivalrous, and a greater advantage to both the individual and collective alike, and the desire for a greater output vs lesser input can be tapped.

As I mentioned earlier in a post, the transformation would be like caterpillar to butterfly. No butterfly desires to return to a caterpillar state once they realize that they are actually a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

But that is why educational reform and not dictatorship is needed. I would hire the greatest minds and corporations to work on the problem of creating the system that gets us from here to there without top down dynamics, but rather encourage bottom up. Humans are in a ripe position to want strongly enough ha change on the systems that have not and are not working for us.

You would have to erase all the entirety of human history for that to happen, but also, you would be the carrier of the "virus" from one generation to the new ones, along with other people who would begin the new process

But then again, you are enforcing your own world view, which may or may not be correct in the end, but you have turned the entire world into a world that fits your views

That you are incorruptible doesn't mean you had full wisdom

If you look into Mr Bill's post


If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??


Never once he said anything about wisdom, or knowledge, or pure thoughts, or even wanting the best for the world

Hitler and Stalin, Lenin and others were probably incorruptible, and many people before them, they also were benevolent, but only to the people they liked, and they were dictators also :D

If you are a dictator, you need to enforce your views across the world, therefore, a power structure based on your ideals will be created, one that won't care about any other view but yours



I am using terms and lacking details that aren't forwarding this conversation as much as I thought it would. My apologies.

When I say that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior to rivalrous dynamics in our current environment can be demonstrated, then that is all that is required. Dictatorship and "forcing my will on people" is NOT required. It is a natural evolution or progression back to the state where sharing (as we learn as children in a household) is most often a superior dynamic.

Once you demonstrate to people that they have more to gain by mutual cooperation than by greed, they will wnaturally want what gives them "more to gain" -- no dictatorship is needed at all. As long as it can be properly demonstrated.


Let me give you a theoretical example and a real life one.

Let's say in a mostly transparent society I am a greedy ass. I am corrupt. I steal from people, I don't help them when they need help because its not my problem. I amass "stuff" but I do not share with anyone. I am driven by greed and care only for my self. Now consider that we, as humans, are a very social animal and we have to work and live together. Now consider that in my life, because of my "corrupt" status, no one wants to help me, with anything, no one wants to collaborate with me, no one cares about me; If I get hurt, I am left for dead, If I get poor, I am left for dead, and the "stuff" I have acquired does not make me happy or give me fulfillment, because those things are benefits of being a social creature, and I have alienated myself from the society by being "corrupt", and the results of my corruption cannot bring me happiness. - note that the environment already has been made somewhat transparent through the process of "leveling the playing field" I referred to earlier.

Now let's say my concept of "ownership" is much more like native americans before white man corrupted their ways. I don't own the land, the land owns me, I am free to travel. If someone needs to use one of my tools I have no problem sharing. I freely give away the things I no longer need to those who need it, and help those who need help. Now in my personal life, the respect, help, and sharing relationship I have with others will garner me love and respect from those people. Corrupt people won't feel the need to steal from me as much because I share my things. In a social society I will gain social status, and be loved and cared for by others in the society because of who I am. If I am an organization, my organization becomes more loved - an augmented form of capitalism can still work inside this system easily and take advantage of the same concepts.

Which of these two is superior in a roughly transparent environment? Is it not obvious?

That is why I keep emphasizing the demonstration. Once the concept of a superior system is taught and demonstrated (again, after the playing field has been leveled, by exposing the world's secrets to all and making all info fully and freely available) then people will say "I want that". I won't have to force them. It is the correction of culturally programmed western greed into our society.

Its a correction to something that can be demonstrated as not working well --- hell its 2020 ... To steal a phrase from Dr. Phil: "How's it working for ya?" -- people are sick of how things are, they will embrace new ways, and doing it from the bottom up is not "dicatorship" -- in fact it is the opposite -- it is allowing the correction to occur. A government tends to be a reflection of its people - Iraq had a dictatorship, because that is what their people required and expected for leadership -- look how "democracy is going there ever since it was introduced? You can't force top down changes because they don't work. Enter: bottom up or rather simultaneous changes.


A real life example:

I follow computer enthusiast tech news and channels on Youtube, and have been since youtube was invented. In the distant past, it was not uncommon for rival tech channels to try to **** on other channels to claim their superiority over the other channels. It seemed to work for them in the short term, but the audience grew weary of the "one-upmanship" that took focus away from why they subscribed to the channel in the first place.

Fast forward to 2020, and most of the tech channels endorse one another, give shout outs, invite their rivals on to their shows and channels, have friendly competitions, and fully support one another. Why did this happen? What happened to the greed and rivalrous dynamics? It was demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics were actually superior when some of these guys had the balls to actually try it out. No dictator forced this change. The thought occurred to someone, they tried it, and everyone loved the idea and the channel got more support as a result. Now it is not just commonplace in the Youtube "tech" world but it has become the norm. Again no one forced them to do this. It was demonstrably superior and people migrated to it and audience (the consumer) appreciated it.

Once you have systems that are built around transparency, and you have demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior in every way and a critical mass is reached in that recognition, then corruption is not something that is desired, or something that even works at all, and therefore will be generally avoided - unlike our current secretive and locked in western systems that support corruption. Note that the system I am referring to is not communism or socialism at all --- it is a new system that we have never tried before and incorporates aspects capitalism, socialism and communism, but the system is driven from the bottom and is self correcting because it is built on closed loop systems. A closed loop system is one that is 100% synergistic so that inputs and outputs are 100% balanced. Perhaps I should describe this better, but a closed loop system is naturally self correcting.

If one tried to make these changes over a span of say 10 years, force would probably be needed. If you do it over multi generations, then it can flower on its own with gentle guidance as the desired way of being.

again, note that I am not referring to communism or socialism. This is a new system - a new way of thinking that is recognized in the individual and it is the will of the individual that implements these systems. It would be a bit tricky, but this is why in my initial list I strictly stated that it requires input and feedback from all levels of society to create a plan that gets us there.

In the current environment it is not impossible, in fact it might even be probable. but one thing is for certain, if we do not move relatively quickly to create and implement closed loop socioeconomic systems (which requires concepts I outlined above and more), then humanity is in for a long and extremely painful ride over the next millennia.

[East Sun]

I'd dismantle all technology, divide all habitable land in a fair and equitable manner among all people, and encourage them to return to a state of nature, seek spirituality, restore the family and local communities, grow food, keep the water clean, etc..., and live in peace and harmony amongst themselves--regardless of race, greed, sexual orientation....

I would ask that all disputes be resolved at a local level, and that the final "appeal", if necessary, be brought to me for resolution.

I would have and enforce only two rules: 1) Do undo others as you would have them do undo you, and 2) do not intentionally do any harm to any person, creature or nature.

Satori,
If I may add, that we also need to be aware of the non_or sub_human element that are on Earth or may come to Earth
in the future. That means we would have to have an army and here we go again one thing leads to another and
the circle continues.

But, I'm sure you would be prepared in advance as we all would having known this world as it stands at present.

ES

[TargeT]

No one has addressed (or really come to terms with) the use of force necessary in the welding of absolute power. You might be benevolent, but inevitably individuals and groups would organize quickly to challenge your hold on power. The game of power and the mechanisms of organizing people and society eventually come up against the problem of what to do with those who have no qualms about using violence. The power game played with others is a dangerous one!

Truer words were never spoken. It's just a fact of life that you will eventually have to wield the stick. This has gone on for a very long time and I don't believe anyone else has a better answer.

I can't answer the question in the OP. Not to be snarky, but I feel it'd be ignorant to even try.

I feel I addressed the issue very efficiently.



If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

Abrogate the position.



This is the best example/definition of TRUE CAPITALISM (not what we have now):


I follow computer enthusiast tech news and channels on Youtube, and have been since youtube was invented. In the distant past, it was not uncommon for rival tech channels to try to **** on other channels to claim their superiority over the other channels. It seemed to work for them in the short term, but the audience grew weary of the "one-upmanship" that took focus away from why they subscribed to the channel in the first place.

Fast forward to 2020, and most of the tech channels endorse one another, give shout outs, invite their rivals on to their shows and channels, have friendly competitions, and fully support one another. Why did this happen? What happened to the greed and rivalrous dynamics? It was demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics were actually superior when some of these guys had the balls to actually try it out. No dictator forced this change. The thought occurred to someone, they tried it, and everyone loved the idea and the channel got more support as a result. Now it is not just commonplace in the Youtube "tech" world but it has become the norm. Again no one forced them to do this. It was demonstrably superior and people migrated to it and audience (the consumer) appreciated it.


But then, I'd be a pariah for mentioning that.....

[Sue (Ayt)]

If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??

Abrogate the position.

Well, maybe you could run the planet in anonymity?
For that matter, maybe someone/something already does? And maybe we just are unable to perceive the "big picture" benevolence.
It sure doesn't seem very benevolent at times, though!

[TargeT]

Well, maybe you could run the planet in anonymity?
For that matter, maybe someone/something already does? And maybe we just are unable to perceive the "big picture" benevolence.
It sure doesn't seem very benevolent at times, though!

We love to think of reality as only one side of the coin, duality is a trap and reality is not benevolent.

The shadow exists everywhere, especially in "reality". We need to get FAR more comfortable with our ballancer, our shadow; until that occurs there will continue to be strife.

I do not believe that the word "benevolent" should be applied to what ever reality is.. a system isn't kind to its formulas and parts and pieces, it's not cruel either... it just "is".

Though perhaps that train of thought is too philosophically slanted, I've been a bit deep on Nietzsche (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/) of late.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

[...]
SEVENTH. Step down from my position. The world hereafter rebuilds and redesigns itself.That's fine and dandy... but that would only happens if the Galactic Council backed by the Universe Council allows you to step down once convinced they have a suitable replacement for the position... which is, apparently, the position Kim Goguen (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies) claims to find herself in at the moment with the Life Force Restoration Plan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGYrzW2BvY) which about exactly what your steps are about :highfive:.

I honestly have no idea what this is, or who she is. All the steps I jotted down was purely on the fly and done in about 20 mins.

[Gwin Ru]

The Restoration Plan for the Planet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q168WTG6kl8) 6:17

May 8, 2020

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJzWGGaZLe2N4AVGS-_eSRYpS-mZmAIcQXF1ryIyBA=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ) SPEAK Project (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ)

Kim Goguen discusses the design of her Restoration Plan which, shaped like an atom, consists of "project" rings fed by the Trust at the center. Exquisite!

q168WTG6kl8

[Satori]

I'd dismantle all technology, divide all habitable land in a fair and equitable manner among all people, and encourage them to return to a state of nature, seek spirituality, restore the family and local communities, grow food, keep the water clean, etc..., and live in peace and harmony amongst themselves--regardless of race, greed, sexual orientation....

I would ask that all disputes be resolved at a local level, and that the final "appeal", if necessary, be brought to me for resolution.

I would have and enforce only two rules: 1) Do undo others as you would have them do undo you, and 2) do not intentionally do any harm to any person, creature or nature.

Satori,
If I may add, that we also need to be aware of the non_or sub_human element that are on Earth or may come to Earth
in the future. That means we would have to have an army and here we go again one thing leads to another and
the circle continues.

But, I'm sure you would be prepared in advance as we all would having known this world as it stands at present.

ES

Perhaps I took Bill’s “trip into the light fantastic” too literally. I understood the premise to be the I, and I alone, would rule the world. I would have no competition or challengers to my plenary power and rule

Given the fantastical nature of the premise, I provided any equally fantastical, response. All in fun I suppose.

[yelik]

Most Likely Fail

[Bill Ryan]

Given the fantastical nature of the premise, I provided any equally fantastical, response. All in fun I suppose.Yes, it was intended as an all-limits-off, free thinking brainstorm. Not a joke at all, more of a creative exercise.

We live in such a cage (with invisible bars, and which we're very acclimated to), we rarely think about what we'd like to really see happen — because most of our attention is always on what we don't want to happen.

[Mashika]

Corruption is not a primal part of human nature - it is a result of observing (thus learning) or thinking in rivalrous dynamics terms and believing it contains an advantage.

Desiring the greatest output for the least input might be a primal part of human nature. That is why you only need to demonstrate a new type of "fire" - one that is both non-rivalrous, and a greater advantage to both the individual and collective alike, and the desire for a greater output vs lesser input can be tapped.

As I mentioned earlier in a post, the transformation would be like caterpillar to butterfly. No butterfly desires to return to a caterpillar state once they realize that they are actually a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

But that is why educational reform and not dictatorship is needed. I would hire the greatest minds and corporations to work on the problem of creating the system that gets us from here to there without top down dynamics, but rather encourage bottom up. Humans are in a ripe position to want strongly enough ha change on the systems that have not and are not working for us.

You would have to erase all the entirety of human history for that to happen, but also, you would be the carrier of the "virus" from one generation to the new ones, along with other people who would begin the new process

But then again, you are enforcing your own world view, which may or may not be correct in the end, but you have turned the entire world into a world that fits your views

That you are incorruptible doesn't mean you had full wisdom

If you look into Mr Bill's post


If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??


Never once he said anything about wisdom, or knowledge, or pure thoughts, or even wanting the best for the world

Hitler and Stalin, Lenin and others were probably incorruptible, and many people before them, they also were benevolent, but only to the people they liked, and they were dictators also :D

If you are a dictator, you need to enforce your views across the world, therefore, a power structure based on your ideals will be created, one that won't care about any other view but yours



I am using terms and lacking details that aren't forwarding this conversation as much as I thought it would. My apologies.

When I say that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior to rivalrous dynamics in our current environment can be demonstrated, then that is all that is required. Dictatorship and "forcing my will on people" is NOT required. It is a natural evolution or progression back to the state where sharing (as we learn as children in a household) is most often a superior dynamic.

Once you demonstrate to people that they have more to gain by mutual cooperation than by greed, they will wnaturally want what gives them "more to gain" -- no dictatorship is needed at all. As long as it can be properly demonstrated.


Let me give you a theoretical example and a real life one.

Let's say in a mostly transparent society I am a greedy ass. I am corrupt. I steal from people, I don't help them when they need help because its not my problem. I amass "stuff" but I do not share with anyone. I am driven by greed and care only for my self. Now consider that we, as humans, are a very social animal and we have to work and live together. Now consider that in my life, because of my "corrupt" status, no one wants to help me, with anything, no one wants to collaborate with me, no one cares about me; If I get hurt, I am left for dead, If I get poor, I am left for dead, and the "stuff" I have acquired does not make me happy or give me fulfillment, because those things are benefits of being a social creature, and I have alienated myself from the society by being "corrupt", and the results of my corruption cannot bring me happiness. - note that the environment already has been made somewhat transparent through the process of "leveling the playing field" I referred to earlier.

Now let's say my concept of "ownership" is much more like native americans before white man corrupted their ways. I don't own the land, the land owns me, I am free to travel. If someone needs to use one of my tools I have no problem sharing. I freely give away the things I no longer need to those who need it, and help those who need help. Now in my personal life, the respect, help, and sharing relationship I have with others will garner me love and respect from those people. Corrupt people won't feel the need to steal from me as much because I share my things. In a social society I will gain social status, and be loved and cared for by others in the society because of who I am. If I am an organization, my organization becomes more loved - an augmented form of capitalism can still work inside this system easily and take advantage of the same concepts.

Which of these two is superior in a roughly transparent environment? Is it not obvious?

That is why I keep emphasizing the demonstration. Once the concept of a superior system is taught and demonstrated (again, after the playing field has been leveled, by exposing the world's secrets to all and making all info fully and freely available) then people will say "I want that". I won't have to force them. It is the correction of culturally programmed western greed into our society.

Its a correction to something that can be demonstrated as not working well --- hell its 2020 ... To steal a phrase from Dr. Phil: "How's it working for ya?" -- people are sick of how things are, they will embrace new ways, and doing it from the bottom up is not "dicatorship" -- in fact it is the opposite -- it is allowing the correction to occur. A government tends to be a reflection of its people - Iraq had a dictatorship, because that is what their people required and expected for leadership -- look how "democracy is going there ever since it was introduced? You can't force top down changes because they don't work. Enter: bottom up or rather simultaneous changes.


A real life example:

I follow computer enthusiast tech news and channels on Youtube, and have been since youtube was invented. In the distant past, it was not uncommon for rival tech channels to try to **** on other channels to claim their superiority over the other channels. It seemed to work for them in the short term, but the audience grew weary of the "one-upmanship" that took focus away from why they subscribed to the channel in the first place.

Fast forward to 2020, and most of the tech channels endorse one another, give shout outs, invite their rivals on to their shows and channels, have friendly competitions, and fully support one another. Why did this happen? What happened to the greed and rivalrous dynamics? It was demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics were actually superior when some of these guys had the balls to actually try it out. No dictator forced this change. The thought occurred to someone, they tried it, and everyone loved the idea and the channel got more support as a result. Now it is not just commonplace in the Youtube "tech" world but it has become the norm. Again no one forced them to do this. It was demonstrably superior and people migrated to it and audience (the consumer) appreciated it.

Once you have systems that are built around transparency, and you have demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior in every way and a critical mass is reached in that recognition, then corruption is not something that is desired, or something that even works at all, and therefore will be generally avoided - unlike our current secretive and locked in western systems that support corruption. Note that the system I am referring to is not communism or socialism at all --- it is a new system that we have never tried before and incorporates aspects capitalism, socialism and communism, but the system is driven from the bottom and is self correcting because it is built on closed loop systems. A closed loop system is one that is 100% synergistic so that inputs and outputs are 100% balanced. Perhaps I should describe this better, but a closed loop system is naturally self correcting.

If one tried to make these changes over a span of say 10 years, force would probably be needed. If you do it over multi generations, then it can flower on its own with gentle guidance as the desired way of being.

again, note that I am not referring to communism or socialism. This is a new system - a new way of thinking that is recognized in the individual and it is the will of the individual that implements these systems. It would be a bit tricky, but this is why in my initial list I strictly stated that it requires input and feedback from all levels of society to create a plan that gets us there.

In the current environment it is not impossible, in fact it might even be probable. but one thing is for certain, if we do not move relatively quickly to create and implement closed loop socioeconomic systems (which requires concepts I outlined above and more), then humanity is in for a long and extremely painful ride over the next millennia.

Thank you, i understand perfectly what you mean, and thanks for explaining in such detail

I had been posting all along from the point of view of the original premise, that of "if you were a benevolent dictator", which indicates that you have already somehow got into the top of a previous power structure and you have placed yourself as dictator of the world. That on itself indicates you had to get up there somehow, you see what i mean?

I like what you described, i believe it would be a great thing to happen, i don't think it can happen right now, but maybe later on, with good schools, good parents are home (let's have some parents at home first lol) and good people all around the streets that don't abuse you because they see you out there trying to become someone on your own. Because i have seen tons and tons of people almost like zombies reaching out to anyone they can trying to harm their sense of worth and plenty other things

I almost feel like it would require to completely eliminate and don't allow a bridge between generations, because ideas would still jump from one to the next generation, and grow from there again. That's another dangerous road, because i said before, who will plan this, who will continue after you and everyone you trust dies, how do you ensure it will continue on the right track, once you're not around anymore?

This has been tested before, but as i said, it was from the point of a dictator, as Stalin did, he cleaned up all the people who was considered not worthy of the new future he envisioned, there was no other way in his eyes, that's what a dictator does. Hitler attempted a similar thing, the issue is that, to enforce this and turn the world around to what you believe is the best for the world, you would have to make it so that the people who are not fit for the new world, are not able to influence in any way, you can do this through generations, but how really? In order to educate new generations on your ideals, you first would have to somehow prevent this other people from also have their own plans and implement them, the world would be divided, how do you plan to make everyone fall into this agreement about education in the first place?

I understand the closed loop system, but it also means that you have a variable that you need to control, so that the state is consistent with the results you want to receive back. And that, in the end, is programming, this is a complicated topic, human minds are not as easy to program such that the result is always the expected one, you would have to "clean up" the human race so that you receive a constant, stable output of the teachings, there will always be variations (people who don't conform), what would you do with them?

NOTE: I'm not trying to go against you in everything you say. Wanted to make that clear, what i'm doing is, and you probably already know is, point out all reasons the approach could fail, so we can figure out and see why and how and what would have to change so that it would actually work :)

I'm just curious to see what the end result would be :sherlock:

[Isserley]

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Since we are the creators, in a way, it is important that we never stop beleiving in better version of life on earth

[DeDukshyn]

Corruption is not a primal part of human nature - it is a result of observing (thus learning) or thinking in rivalrous dynamics terms and believing it contains an advantage.

Desiring the greatest output for the least input might be a primal part of human nature. That is why you only need to demonstrate a new type of "fire" - one that is both non-rivalrous, and a greater advantage to both the individual and collective alike, and the desire for a greater output vs lesser input can be tapped.

As I mentioned earlier in a post, the transformation would be like caterpillar to butterfly. No butterfly desires to return to a caterpillar state once they realize that they are actually a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

But that is why educational reform and not dictatorship is needed. I would hire the greatest minds and corporations to work on the problem of creating the system that gets us from here to there without top down dynamics, but rather encourage bottom up. Humans are in a ripe position to want strongly enough ha change on the systems that have not and are not working for us.

You would have to erase all the entirety of human history for that to happen, but also, you would be the carrier of the "virus" from one generation to the new ones, along with other people who would begin the new process

But then again, you are enforcing your own world view, which may or may not be correct in the end, but you have turned the entire world into a world that fits your views

That you are incorruptible doesn't mean you had full wisdom

If you look into Mr Bill's post


If you ruled the world — and were a totally incorruptible, benevolent dictator — what would you do??


Never once he said anything about wisdom, or knowledge, or pure thoughts, or even wanting the best for the world

Hitler and Stalin, Lenin and others were probably incorruptible, and many people before them, they also were benevolent, but only to the people they liked, and they were dictators also :D

If you are a dictator, you need to enforce your views across the world, therefore, a power structure based on your ideals will be created, one that won't care about any other view but yours



I am using terms and lacking details that aren't forwarding this conversation as much as I thought it would. My apologies.

When I say that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior to rivalrous dynamics in our current environment can be demonstrated, then that is all that is required. Dictatorship and "forcing my will on people" is NOT required. It is a natural evolution or progression back to the state where sharing (as we learn as children in a household) is most often a superior dynamic.

Once you demonstrate to people that they have more to gain by mutual cooperation than by greed, they will wnaturally want what gives them "more to gain" -- no dictatorship is needed at all. As long as it can be properly demonstrated.


Let me give you a theoretical example and a real life one.

Let's say in a mostly transparent society I am a greedy ass. I am corrupt. I steal from people, I don't help them when they need help because its not my problem. I amass "stuff" but I do not share with anyone. I am driven by greed and care only for my self. Now consider that we, as humans, are a very social animal and we have to work and live together. Now consider that in my life, because of my "corrupt" status, no one wants to help me, with anything, no one wants to collaborate with me, no one cares about me; If I get hurt, I am left for dead, If I get poor, I am left for dead, and the "stuff" I have acquired does not make me happy or give me fulfillment, because those things are benefits of being a social creature, and I have alienated myself from the society by being "corrupt", and the results of my corruption cannot bring me happiness. - note that the environment already has been made somewhat transparent through the process of "leveling the playing field" I referred to earlier.

Now let's say my concept of "ownership" is much more like native americans before white man corrupted their ways. I don't own the land, the land owns me, I am free to travel. If someone needs to use one of my tools I have no problem sharing. I freely give away the things I no longer need to those who need it, and help those who need help. Now in my personal life, the respect, help, and sharing relationship I have with others will garner me love and respect from those people. Corrupt people won't feel the need to steal from me as much because I share my things. In a social society I will gain social status, and be loved and cared for by others in the society because of who I am. If I am an organization, my organization becomes more loved - an augmented form of capitalism can still work inside this system easily and take advantage of the same concepts.

Which of these two is superior in a roughly transparent environment? Is it not obvious?

That is why I keep emphasizing the demonstration. Once the concept of a superior system is taught and demonstrated (again, after the playing field has been leveled, by exposing the world's secrets to all and making all info fully and freely available) then people will say "I want that". I won't have to force them. It is the correction of culturally programmed western greed into our society.

Its a correction to something that can be demonstrated as not working well --- hell its 2020 ... To steal a phrase from Dr. Phil: "How's it working for ya?" -- people are sick of how things are, they will embrace new ways, and doing it from the bottom up is not "dicatorship" -- in fact it is the opposite -- it is allowing the correction to occur. A government tends to be a reflection of its people - Iraq had a dictatorship, because that is what their people required and expected for leadership -- look how "democracy is going there ever since it was introduced? You can't force top down changes because they don't work. Enter: bottom up or rather simultaneous changes.


A real life example:

I follow computer enthusiast tech news and channels on Youtube, and have been since youtube was invented. In the distant past, it was not uncommon for rival tech channels to try to **** on other channels to claim their superiority over the other channels. It seemed to work for them in the short term, but the audience grew weary of the "one-upmanship" that took focus away from why they subscribed to the channel in the first place.

Fast forward to 2020, and most of the tech channels endorse one another, give shout outs, invite their rivals on to their shows and channels, have friendly competitions, and fully support one another. Why did this happen? What happened to the greed and rivalrous dynamics? It was demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics were actually superior when some of these guys had the balls to actually try it out. No dictator forced this change. The thought occurred to someone, they tried it, and everyone loved the idea and the channel got more support as a result. Now it is not just commonplace in the Youtube "tech" world but it has become the norm. Again no one forced them to do this. It was demonstrably superior and people migrated to it and audience (the consumer) appreciated it.

Once you have systems that are built around transparency, and you have demonstrated that non-rivalrous dynamics are superior in every way and a critical mass is reached in that recognition, then corruption is not something that is desired, or something that even works at all, and therefore will be generally avoided - unlike our current secretive and locked in western systems that support corruption. Note that the system I am referring to is not communism or socialism at all --- it is a new system that we have never tried before and incorporates aspects capitalism, socialism and communism, but the system is driven from the bottom and is self correcting because it is built on closed loop systems. A closed loop system is one that is 100% synergistic so that inputs and outputs are 100% balanced. Perhaps I should describe this better, but a closed loop system is naturally self correcting.

If one tried to make these changes over a span of say 10 years, force would probably be needed. If you do it over multi generations, then it can flower on its own with gentle guidance as the desired way of being.

again, note that I am not referring to communism or socialism. This is a new system - a new way of thinking that is recognized in the individual and it is the will of the individual that implements these systems. It would be a bit tricky, but this is why in my initial list I strictly stated that it requires input and feedback from all levels of society to create a plan that gets us there.

In the current environment it is not impossible, in fact it might even be probable. but one thing is for certain, if we do not move relatively quickly to create and implement closed loop socioeconomic systems (which requires concepts I outlined above and more), then humanity is in for a long and extremely painful ride over the next millennia.

Thank you, i understand perfectly what you mean, and thanks for explaining in such detail

I had been posting all along from the point of view of the original premise, that of "if you were a benevolent dictator", which indicates that you have already somehow got into the top of a previous power structure and you have placed yourself as dictator of the world. That on itself indicates you had to get up there somehow, you see what i mean?



Yes I see that point. But the plan itself doesn't require a dictator, I was just taking advantage of Bill's proposition that I get to be one :). The concept does require a solid cooperative leadership of some sort though ... and unfortunately politicians are too busy being politicians to be leaders so we can't rely on them much, but once demonstrated in a small communities perhaps, they would be more willing to come on board with assistance.





I like what you described, i believe it would be a great thing to happen, i don't think it can happen right now, but maybe later on, with good schools, good parents are home (let's have some parents at home first lol) and good people all around the streets that don't abuse you because they see you out there trying to become someone on your own. Because i have seen tons and tons of people almost like zombies reaching out to anyone they can trying to harm their sense of worth and plenty other things

I almost feel like it would require to completely eliminate and don't allow a bridge between generations, because ideas would still jump from one to the next generation, and grow from there again. That's another dangerous road, because i said before, who will plan this, who will continue after you and everyone you trust dies, how do you ensure it will continue on the right track, once you're not around anymore?

The pain we see being inflicted in this world is a result of us being 'off course', a result of us being made to be - un-natural from our core behaviour and instincts. Humans are extremely social animals, and a large part of the personal and behavioural issues we see plaguing this world stem from a type of "loneliness" - a feeling if being disconnected, that people seek to fill by being directed to consume "things" by the corporate world.

But it seeks to correct itself, the path just needs to be "un-hidden" so the effort to sustain this requires a certain level of transparency to be established, to prevent the path from being hidden again. The over-arching concepts are simple enough that any layman can grasp and be motivated to work towards the goal. This, along with the transparency of an outline (something I did plan out in my original OP) would work to help keep it moving and non-corrupted.

A global reset of some sort would certainly provide an opportunity to get something like this going more quickly and perhaps with a stronger motivation. I think the world's secrets would still need to be revealed to level the playing field and provide that base of transparency though. But I don't believe global reset / catastrophe would be a requirement, as long as a critical mass of motivation is reached one way or another.

Since the ideas and concepts I put forth can be easily seen and demonstrated as superior, even if old ideas are re-presented, there's lots of evidence to say "no we already tried that and it isn't working" - the foundation of the new plan is different enough from what we have done previously (my apologies but there is much much more to the overall plan than what I have been able to infer on this thread - everything is synergistic) that any attempt to steer the plan back to ways that have failed us in the past will stick out like a sore thumb, and be identified -- especially if we have already established some newer systems with high levels of transparency.





This has been tested before, but as i said, it was from the point of a dictator, as Stalin did, he cleaned up all the people who was considered not worthy of the new future he envisioned, there was no other way in his eyes, that's what a dictator does. Hitler attempted a similar thing, the issue is that, to enforce this and turn the world around to what you believe is the best for the world, you would have to make it so that the people who are not fit for the new world, are not able to influence in any way, you can do this through generations, but how really? In order to educate new generations on your ideals, you first would have to somehow prevent this other people from also have their own plans and implement them, the world would be divided, how do you plan to make everyone fall into this agreement about education in the first place?

That's the beauty of it being demonstrably superior. Almost everything the western world does has a basis of rivalrous dynamics -- everything. It is programmed culturally into us from birth and that programming supports those dynamics in all our systems - from personal interactions all the way up to corporate decision making. If it is demonstrated that a new superior way of being, education systems, and leaders of countries will want to improve their systems, there will be innate desire to make these changes.

Those groups who refuse to change might be ok with living in a weaker system, one that still pollutes their land, one that doesn't yield the same results ... but for how long? How long before a farmer who tills his land by hands inquires to his neighbour about how he plows his land with an ox? How long before they decide to share resources, inputs and recycling outputs for each other's benefits? Again, I am not seeing that much force is needed - once it can be demonstrated. Educations systems would automatically fall in line and evolve.

Humanity has never really tried anything like this in conjunction with closed loop systems, and without a dictatorship. Again, I was just using Bill's proposition to take advantage of a way to lay some of this out. I don't think any dictator ship is needed, or even desired at all to implement this. It would require a bit of global cooperation, maybe some loss leading to establish proof of concept and create some willing communities to demonstrate it to get the critical mass of leadership and civilians on board for a global implementation.





I understand the closed loop system, but it also means that you have a variable that you need to control, so that the state is consistent with the results you want to receive back. And that, in the end, is programming, this is a complicated topic, human minds are not as easy to program such that the result is always the expected one, you would have to "clean up" the human race so that you receive a constant, stable output of the teachings, there will always be variations (people who don't conform), what would you do with them?

To address the first part, closed systems only need to worry about processes, not people. If the processes are designed properly, breaking the loops would be a difficult and obvious process, that could be easily identified and corrected.
The second part I somewhat addressed further above.





NOTE: I'm not trying to go against you in everything you say. Wanted to make that clear, what i'm doing is, and you probably already know is, point out all reasons the approach could fail, so we can figure out and see why and how and what would have to change so that it would actually work :)

I'm just curious to see what the end result would be :sherlock:


Playing devil's advocate is usually my prerogative, so thanks for taking that on :)

[Michi]

A very close call in creating a better civilization is the Thrive initiative.

I would abolish any type of advertisements of pharma products. Pharma be funded only on ethical therms and no less than 95% efficiency certification and must cure (not treat symptoms).

Doctors to be fully accountable.

I would change all media to nolonger be owned or funded by corporations but run by volunteers and financed by a system of award programmes based on greatest benefit for the public (verified complete transparently)

Make everything open-source.

Abolish politics and governments and replace with sort of meritocracy along the lines of Plato’s republic, where the top people are the most able, intelligent and don’t own anything and are ‘philosopher-kings’ completely altruistically oriented not working for any party but exclusively for the well being of all or the whole. The key point is sovereignty of the people.

And last but not least, retire. A sovereign zivilisation doesn't need a ruler.

[Ernie Nemeth]

If I were the ruler of the world, I would create a new class: the facilitator.

This class would be bestowed with full authority over policing, courts, and all organizations, including enforcing an open door policy for complete cooperation and disclosure by any called by this class to do so.

They would be nominated by communities and voted into office by majority. Ever after, however, all matters must be resolved by consensus.

A working constitution would be required and for this I would offer a ten point document, to be amended and ratified by the people, with a majority vote, and forever after by consensus. The first two are transitional points, to ensure equitable treatment for all and can be removed after the transition is complete.

Constitution for World Peace

1) All human beings are creations of One Source and thereby certain rights are bestowed upon them by virtue of birth alone. These rights shall be administered with the highest sense of honor and duty to ensure the equal, unbiased and fair treatment of all. To further ensure the granting of these rights it is declared that no individual, group, special interest lobby or any other sub-grouping, whether overt or covert, shall attain a proportion of any goods, property, chattel or contracts of any description greater than the sum of the individuals and their basic allotment would allow within those sub-groups until such time when all human beings have been allotted their basic needs according to the rights described herein.

2) All human beings by virtue of birth have a basic and fundamental right to happiness and freedom. To ensure the complete freedom to choose happiness: shelter, food, clothing, transportation, medical care, education, employment, and sundry items to facilitate the pursuit of entertainment, pastimes and hobbies that may be coveted from birth to death are deemed to be the right of every individual. All of the above shall be provided as best the human production capacity will allow.

3) All human beings have the right to total access to all information, without censure, restriction, exemption or omission.

4) All human beings have the right to the security of person and to whatever reasonable degree of privacy that person may wish to maintain.

5) All human beings have the right to dignity and respect at all times. No human being, for whatever reason, shall be held against their will, sanctioned in any way or otherwise subject to punitive measures.

6) All human beings are equal. No individual or sub-group shall have authority over any other individual or sub-group, without exception. All common decisions must be made by consensus, without exception.

7) All human beings have the right to anonymity. No human being or sub-group shall be singled out, distinguished, characterized, maligned or otherwise brought to the attention of others without their consent.

8) All human beings have the right to live, without exception.

9) All human beings are completely free to think, say or do whatever they wish, at any time, for any reason so long as the rights of all other individuals, as outlined above, are respected and upheld throughout.

10) All human beings have the right to come and go anywhere and everywhere at any time without restriction, provided all other rights discussed herein are observed.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13219-World-Peace&p=120879&viewfull=1#post120879

[lilac]

Everyone would have to know how to start a fire, tie a reef knot and pee in the woods.

[Mashika]

The pain we see being inflicted in this world is a result of us being 'off course',


I think this pain is self inflicted, i can't say exactly how or why, but i do believe it is :)



That's the beauty of it being demonstrably superior. Almost everything the western world does has a basis of rivalrous dynamics -- everything. It is programmed culturally into us from birth and that programming supports those dynamics in all our systems

Mostly, yes, but is not just western, look into China and you'll see the exact same thing

The more money you have, the best you are, and the more education, the most pure mind, regardless of if education at their high level is meant to build brains that only think of killing or destroying everyone else so they can say "i'm the best!".. because everyone is dead LMAO

Which is what i can tell you, because by the OP, you would be a benevolent dictator, yet still a dictator, which means you had to learn your ways from somewhere. IT's imposible to get rid of the ideas of previous generations unless you completely hate them but yet you were grown into that environment.. "the virus" is inside you in ways

I just don't think it can be solved by good will, there would have to be a complete cleanup of the human race, so no contact between generations transfer the dumbness, and at that point, we go back to the same, a position of power where the pointed leader tells every one else what to do, even through generations

It's just human nature, do you remember a time, place where it wasn't like this?

I remember reading about finding skulls that had belonged to humans thousand and thousands of years ago, and they had fractured skulls, they were killed by another human. Was there even a time when this wasn't a natural thing to do, by human standards?

You said about boing back to love and nature and such. I'm not sure that thing ever really existed, here, on this planet and race



Those groups who refuse to change might be ok with living in a weaker system, one that still pollutes their land, one that doesn't yield the same results ... but for how long? How long before a farmer who tills his land by hands inquires to his neighbour about how he plows his land with an ox?

They won't, they will build their own system, then take over all other weak person's land, we are repeating history again :/

In fact it is happening right now, the US is all about "if you have better stuff than us and at a cheap price, or people like you more, we have sanctions for ya!" and if they don't accept to be shutdown, then time to kill them all! No better example of human nature

"It is unfair that you are winning! We should be winning, therefore i'm going to kill you so that i can be the winner!"

[DeDukshyn]

The pain we see being inflicted in this world is a result of us being 'off course',


I think this pain is self inflicted, i can't say exactly how or why, but i do believe it is :)



That's the beauty of it being demonstrably superior. Almost everything the western world does has a basis of rivalrous dynamics -- everything. It is programmed culturally into us from birth and that programming supports those dynamics in all our systems

Mostly, yes, but is not just western, look into China and you'll see the exact same thing

The more money you have, the best you are, and the more education, the most pure mind, regardless of if education at their high level is meant to build brains that only think of killing or destroying everyone else so they can say "i'm the best!".. because everyone is dead LMAO

Which is what i can tell you, because by the OP, you would be a benevolent dictator, yet still a dictator, which means you had to learn your ways from somewhere. IT's imposible to get rid of the ideas of previous generations unless you completely hate them but yet you were grown into that environment.. "the virus" is inside you in ways

I just don't think it can be solved by good will, there would have to be a complete cleanup of the human race, so no contact between generations transfer the dumbness, and at that point, we go back to the same, a position of power where the pointed leader tells every one else what to do, even through generations

It's just human nature, do you remember a time, place where it wasn't like this?

I remember reading about finding skulls that had belonged to humans thousand and thousands of years ago, and they had fractured skulls, they were killed by another human. Was there even a time when this wasn't a natural thing to do, by human standards?

You said about boing back to love and nature and such. I'm not sure that thing ever really existed, here, on this planet and race



Those groups who refuse to change might be ok with living in a weaker system, one that still pollutes their land, one that doesn't yield the same results ... but for how long? How long before a farmer who tills his land by hands inquires to his neighbour about how he plows his land with an ox?

They won't, they will build their own system, then take over all other weak person's land, we are repeating history again :/

In fact it is happening right now, the US is all about "if you have better stuff than us and at a cheap price, or people like you more, we have sanctions for ya!" and if they don't accept to be shutdown, then time to kill them all! No better example of human nature

"It is unfair that you are winning! We should be winning, therefore i'm going to kill you so that i can be the winner!"


Oh, you're just being overly pessimistic ;) ... there's a couple things I'm saying that is not getting across for proper consideration though.

1) I agree its not just "western" civilizations - it is mostly the entire world these days, non-rivalrous dynamics though, would be partly incorporated in say native american culture, where they did not have much a sense of ownership - and therefore the rivalry that a sense of ownership brings out didn't apply to them. Sure they had territories but they viewed the land as owning them, they rarely hoarded more than what was required, therefore kept consumption and extraction in check in more of a close loop economic and social systems. So I was more comparing their old ways, with less rivalrous dynamics before the "west" invaded them and forced their ways of living on them. In my comment on getting back to nature, this could be an example of societies that lived more in harmony with nature -- and never taking more than required.

2) as I mentioned, dictatorship isn't needed, but that is what I would put forth if I were one. I wouldn't actually act like a dictator, I'd act like an instigator of a new society where governance was a cooperative effort had by all that was willing to reach for the goals.

3) I do see your point about the total reset, but that would require a total cataclysm, or some "godly intervention" or something, and I actually think that would be more risky (and disruptive) than a collective agreement to move forward on this.

4) the current path we are on will either end in some horrific way (run out of food / space / environment), and that will have to be the catalyst for wanting to continue to live as a species and these changes will happen as a matter of route, or we can try to control the transition -- there is no other option here.

5) I don't think you're quite understanding that such a system (as I imagine it) will make corrupt ways innefective, along with undesirable. Now, it is rewarded, in a non-rivalrous dynamic, there is no reward for corruption. Reward or lack thereof is the driver behind the corruption and extreme rivalry that we see -- create systems that remove the reward, and that which is unrewarded IS the weak system. You seem to be trying to indicate that rivalrous dynamics are "strong" and non-rivalrous dynamics are "weak" therefore a better system will be taken over -- the opposite is true, and this is why the people who are currently rewarded are currently working so extremely hard to keep us fighting each other by forcing on us the ideas of racism, political divide, ideals like climate change (its a divide tactic as much as anything), because they are so frightened that at what will happen if we discover non-rivalry -- they know that it IS the stronger system and they will lose literally everything they have gained by keeping us divided.


Basically you are saying there is no way the elite globalists can be defeated. Their current actions and reactions speak otherwise. They are afraid of what might happen if we stop fighting each other - if we stop responding to the fear and divide they feed us daily. They fear it because they will fall and never rise again - at least not for a very long time ..

[Mashika]

The pain we see being inflicted in this world is a result of us being 'off course',


I think this pain is self inflicted, i can't say exactly how or why, but i do believe it is :)



That's the beauty of it being demonstrably superior. Almost everything the western world does has a basis of rivalrous dynamics -- everything. It is programmed culturally into us from birth and that programming supports those dynamics in all our systems

Mostly, yes, but is not just western, look into China and you'll see the exact same thing

The more money you have, the best you are, and the more education, the most pure mind, regardless of if education at their high level is meant to build brains that only think of killing or destroying everyone else so they can say "i'm the best!".. because everyone is dead LMAO

Which is what i can tell you, because by the OP, you would be a benevolent dictator, yet still a dictator, which means you had to learn your ways from somewhere. IT's imposible to get rid of the ideas of previous generations unless you completely hate them but yet you were grown into that environment.. "the virus" is inside you in ways

I just don't think it can be solved by good will, there would have to be a complete cleanup of the human race, so no contact between generations transfer the dumbness, and at that point, we go back to the same, a position of power where the pointed leader tells every one else what to do, even through generations

It's just human nature, do you remember a time, place where it wasn't like this?

I remember reading about finding skulls that had belonged to humans thousand and thousands of years ago, and they had fractured skulls, they were killed by another human. Was there even a time when this wasn't a natural thing to do, by human standards?

You said about boing back to love and nature and such. I'm not sure that thing ever really existed, here, on this planet and race



Those groups who refuse to change might be ok with living in a weaker system, one that still pollutes their land, one that doesn't yield the same results ... but for how long? How long before a farmer who tills his land by hands inquires to his neighbour about how he plows his land with an ox?

They won't, they will build their own system, then take over all other weak person's land, we are repeating history again :/

In fact it is happening right now, the US is all about "if you have better stuff than us and at a cheap price, or people like you more, we have sanctions for ya!" and if they don't accept to be shutdown, then time to kill them all! No better example of human nature

"It is unfair that you are winning! We should be winning, therefore i'm going to kill you so that i can be the winner!"


Oh, you're just being overly pessimistic ;) ... there's a couple things I'm saying that is not getting across for proper consideration though.

1) I agree its not just "western" civilizations - it is mostly the entire world these days, non-rivalrous dynamics though, would be partly incorporated in say native american culture, where they did not have much a sense of ownership - and therefore the rivalry that a sense of ownership brings out didn't apply to them. Sure they had territories but they viewed the land as owning them, they rarely hoarded more than what was required, therefore kept consumption and extraction in check in more of a close loop economic and social systems. So I was more comparing their old ways, with less rivalrous dynamics before the "west" invaded them and forced their ways of living on them. In my comment on getting back to nature, this could be an example of societies that lived more in harmony with nature -- and never taking more than required.

2) as I mentioned, dictatorship isn't needed, but that is what I would put forth if I were one. I wouldn't actually act like a dictator, I'd act like an instigator of a new society where governance was a cooperative effort had by all that was willing to reach for the goals.

3) I do see your point about the total reset, but that would require a total cataclysm, or some "godly intervention" or something, and I actually think that would be more risky (and disruptive) than a collective agreement to move forward on this.

4) the current path we are on will either end in some horrific way (run out of food / space / environment), and that will have to be the catalyst for wanting to continue to live as a species and these changes will happen as a matter of route, or we can try to control the transition -- there is no other option here.

5) I don't think you're quite understanding that such a system (as I imagine it) will make corrupt ways innefective, along with undesirable. Now, it is rewarded, in a non-rivalrous dynamic, there is no reward for corruption. Reward or lack thereof is the driver behind the corruption and extreme rivalry that we see -- create systems that remove the reward, and that which is unrewarded IS the weak system. You seem to be trying to indicate that rivalrous dynamics are "strong" and non-rivalrous dynamics are "weak" therefore a better system will be taken over -- the opposite is true, and this is why the people who are currently rewarded are currently working so extremely hard to keep us fighting each other by forcing on us the ideas of racism, political divide, ideals like climate change (its a divide tactic as much as anything), because they are so frightened that at what will happen if we discover non-rivalry -- they know that it IS the stronger system and they will lose literally everything they have gained by keeping us divided.


Basically you are saying there is no way the elite globalists can be defeated. Their current actions and reactions speak otherwise. They are afraid of what might happen if we stop fighting each other - if we stop responding to the fear and divide they feed us daily. They fear it because they will fall and never rise again - at least not for a very long time ..



3) I do see your point about the total reset, but that would require a total cataclysm, or some "godly intervention" or something, and I actually think that would be more risky (and disruptive) than a collective agreement to move forward on this.

I'm saying that the people who belongs to these controlling groups, would need to completely be removed from earth, so that the ideology would disappear. Burn the books, eliminate each and every video/song, person that likes that ideology. You would need to exterminate all of them, in every single place of the world, because otherwise if at least a few are left, they will think of ways to return to power, then they will start a group that includes their children and any person they can reach, so in a couple generations, the "mental virus" is back



native american culture, where they did not have much a sense of ownership - and therefore the rivalry that a sense of ownership brings out didn't apply to them

I always read about how people think the Native-americans (i hate that label so much lol) were pure and such, but i have met and are good friends with natives from this continent, who come from old families way back, and what i have learned tells me a way different story

Such for example, did you know that in what is now Mexico, the Tlaxcalan people wished dead so much to the Aztecs that they conspired against them with the help of the Spaniard conquerors, and they would had liked to extend this to the north and into what is now the US. They also had extreme brutal extermination of entire cities and nations, just to grab the land. So they were brutal killers. You think the Tlaxcalans just woke up one day and all of them said "let's conspire with the invaders and take this chance to kill the Aztecs and go take over that beautiful land"? No, they had a grudge from way before, probably generations, a hate towards Aztecs that caused the Spaniard invasion to be successful in several ways, otherwise there would not had been any, because the Spaniards were not able to conquer at all without that help. It all happened because of greed and hate, among "native-americans"

Also then the Spaniards killed the Tlaxcalan army after they helped them, "but that's another story" xi xi




5) I don't think you're quite understanding that such a system (as I imagine it) will make corrupt ways innefective, along with undesirable. Now, it is rewarded, in a non-rivalrous dynamic, there is no reward for corruption.

And this brings me to the point where i say, it's just that it looks nice and clean when you see it from your point of view, of your family and people. It doesn't look as nice from the point of view of the people you are trying to defeat or eliminate, and they will not just sit around waiting for their demise

I'm going to say that human nature has never been like that, so free and full of love that no one would disagree, Everyone would want to keep their status and people around them as well, and no say about their children

That's why I'm just glad i'm a crazy demon

LOL, i'm just going to push this to the max, so we can see what comes out of it :P

[DeDukshyn]

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That's why I'm just glad i'm a crazy demon

Oh you're not the only one, trust me ;)



LOL, i'm just going to push this to the max, so we can see what comes out of it :P

Ok, cool. All my answers up to this point have been rather "short" - as I am assuming you are extending understanding further in your responses, but I can address these things more specifically, but it can't be done with a lot of brevity.

I am in the middle of a long distance move right now, in fact I just took a break from packing for that last response and this one, so it may be a bit of time before I can respond in more detail. If this becomes the "Mike and Mashika" thread, Mods can feel free to break it off. :) Or perhaps we can start again on a new thread, where you present problems with getting from point A to B and I try to present solutions, then who knows, maybe a role reversal after that would be productive? No solution or process improvement can be effective without thoroughly advocating for the devil.

I'm off to bed soon and will be packing the computer in the morning so I'll be offline for several days.

[Mashika]

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That's why I'm just glad i'm a crazy demon

Oh you're not the only one, trust me ;)



LOL, i'm just going to push this to the max, so we can see what comes out of it :P

Ok, cool. All my answers up to this point have been rather "short" - as I am assuming you are extending understanding further in your responses, but I can address these things more specifically, but it can't be done with a lot of brevity.

I am in the middle of a long distance move right now, in fact I just took a break from packing for that last response and this one, so it may be a bit of time before I can respond in more detail. If this becomes the "Mike and Mashika" thread, Mods can feel free to break it off. :) Or perhaps we can start again on a new thread, where you present problems with getting from point A to B and I try to present solutions, then who knows, maybe a role reversal after that would be productive? No solution or process improvement can be effective without thoroughly advocating for the devil.

I'm off to bed soon and will be packing the computer in the morning so I'll be offline for several days.



Ok, cool. All my answers up to this point have been rather "short" - as I am assuming you are extending understanding further in your responses, but I can address these things more specifically, but it can't be done with a lot of brevity.

I think your answers are perfect, and to the point

Also it goes to allow a full conversation before i lose my English capabilities (: And i think most people would agree that in this way it's more understandable, one thing at a time and all that :)



perhaps we can start again on a new thread, where you present problems with getting from point A to B and I try to present solutions, then who knows, maybe a role reversal after that would be productive? No solution or process improvement can be effective without thoroughly advocating for the devil.

So it seems we are on that path :) but i don't know if we should do that, i was hoping other Avalon members would also consider implications of your concept and talk about it, since you already looked a lot into it and had a vision. Would be wonderful if this can be extended in that way



I'm off to bed soon and will be packing the computer in the morning so I'll be offline for several days.

Have a nice trip, and be safe :thumbsup::heart:

[Angels1981]

I woyld build the currency on how much people loved and was k7bd. Discipline the evil to conform to love