Elon Musk Declares INDEPENDENCE, SpaceX Says Mars Colony WILL NOT Follow Earth's Laws

[ExomatrixTV]

Elon Musk Declares INDEPENDENCE, SpaceX Says Mars Colony WILL NOT Follow Earth's Laws:
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Elon Musk declares that his Starship Project WILL NOT follow's Earth's Laws and that The Free Planet of Mars will create its own government and legal system. Is this the birth of a real life supervillain?

[Bill Ryan]

Elon Musk declares that his Starship Project WILL NOT follow's Earth's Laws and that The Free Planet of Mars will create its own government and legal system. Is this the birth of a real life supervillain?

Well, he may get a shock (if he doesn't already know!) when he discovers there's a whole bunch of stuff already going on there. :)

[Open Minded Dude]

He seems to crave attention, too.

[ByTheNorthernSea]

:facepalm:

Personally, I'd have waited until Earth couldn't get at me before stating this...

[Strat]

Regardless of laws followed, there's not a chance in hell I'd be a part of that colony. The awe and wonder of it all would wear off pretty quickly.

[The Moss Trooper]

Elon Musk declares that his Starship Project WILL NOT follow's Earth's Laws and that The Free Planet of Mars will create its own government and legal system. Is this the birth of a real life supervillain?

Well, he may get a shock (if he doesn't already know!) when he discovers there's a whole bunch of stuff already going on there. :)


Have we any solid proof that would bolster this claim?

I've heard the testimony from the likes of Henry Deacon (Arthur), but then I have this, from the horse's mouth:


From Henry Deacon 6.9.16

thank you for writing. There is too much disinformation floating around. And some Very head-strong individuals Trying to make The Stories fit THEIR viewpoints (stories).

As i spoke at a conference... "Please don't believe" anything Anyone says about me... But Only if you hear it Directly from my mouth (best in-person)....

Tubes i do know Arthur C. Clarke mentioned them, as they were quite impressive photographs...
lava tubes, possibly




......... Contradictory to say the least, and I know that you in particular Bill, couldn't believe Henry's abrupt about-face with regard to all you and he had spoken about. This in itself could strengthen the case that what Henry was saying was true, as it could be construed that he had been 'gotten to' and therefore, what he was saying had merit. This is one of the many problems when dealing with witness testimony as primary evidence. Can it, the info, ever be trusted?

What else do we have for the case of civilisation on Mars?

The (Not So) Secret Space Program. I'm pretty sold on this one, even if, in my case, primarily, it's a case of logical & technological progression. Plenty of footage on the internet of strange lights and shapes travelling at amazing speeds and performing unbelievable manoeuvres in the skies and space above us....... I'm convinced that 95% of them are manmade and that the journey to Mars would be nothing more than a Cosmic Sunday road trip, I mean, if you've got the tech, why wouldn't you? It's what we humans do. Many moons ago, when I was a slave to the £ and got my Ferrari, the first thing I did was to see how fast it would go and how quickly....... Why wouldn't you? See what I mean.

BUT.........


Half of me is cheering Elon on, "Go on Elon"............... The other half of me isn't convinced, the other half of me is certain that Elon is playing a 'part', that Elon would not have been handed the keys to the Cosmic toy-box and allowed to run amok, it just smells................... Off.


Some of the best evidence I've ever seen came from a guy that used to be a member here, on this very site. It was a great shame that he was no longer welcome, actually that's a bit strong, I think it was more a case of what he had to show and say didn't align with Avalon's views.

This guy had access to raw, straight from the satellite, photographical data from one of the universities that NASA used as a data node. He would then get very detailed high-res pictures of features such as canyons, mountains, river beds etc, etc, and analyse these by layering two identical pictures and using 3D glasses. It took me a fair amount of time and patience but once I got my "eye-in"........ Oh My God! Without a shadow of a doubt there before my eyes was evidence of intelligent design/sculpture. Massive sculpted figures, some 100's of metre's high, of human-looking bodies with animalistic heads carved into the canyon walls, high design layered cities, bridges........ No mistake. No pareidolia, no trick of the eye...... Your brain is saying "can't be"........ Your mind is saying "Holy sh*t"

I'd like to give Mal a shout-out, if he's still reading. Hope you're all doing ok Mal, thanks for taking the time with me.

Non of this is proof, per se. I'm in no doubt that there is proof out there, somewhere, real, hands on, tangible proof, but the likes of you or I don't get to see that sort of proof. So, all we're left with is third-hand stories, footage that looks impressive but requiring an element of faith, Images that most shout "pareidolia" as soon as they see them, and our own intellect. I doubt we'd get very far in a court of law.

[Bill Ryan]

Elon Musk declares that his Starship Project WILL NOT follow's Earth's Laws and that The Free Planet of Mars will create its own government and legal system. Is this the birth of a real life supervillain?

Well, he may get a shock (if he doesn't already know!) when he discovers there's a whole bunch of stuff already going on there. :)

Have we any solid proof that would bolster this claim?

I've heard the testimony from the likes of Henry Deacon (Arthur), but then I have this, from the horse's mouth:


From Henry Deacon 6.9.16

Thank you for writing. There is too much disinformation floating around. And some Very head-strong individuals Trying to make The Stories fit THEIR viewpoints (stories).

As i spoke at a conference... "Please don't believe" anything Anyone says about me... But Only if you hear it Directly from my mouth (best in-person)....

Tubes i do know Arthur C. Clarke mentioned them, as they were quite impressive photographs...
lava tubes, possibly......... Contradictory to say the least, and I know that you in particular Bill, couldn't believe Henry's abrupt about-face with regard to all you and he had spoken about. This in itself could strengthen the case that what Henry was saying was true, as it could be construed that he had been 'gotten to' and therefore, what he was saying had merit. This is one of the many problems when dealing with witness testimony as primary evidence. Can it, the info, ever be trusted?

What else do we have for the case of civilisation on Mars?

The (Not So) Secret Space Program. I'm pretty sold on this one, even if, in my case, primarily, it's a case of logical & technological progression. Plenty of footage on the internet of strange lights and shapes travelling at amazing speeds and performing unbelievable manoeuvres in the skies and space above us....... I'm convinced that 95% of them are manmade and that the journey to Mars would be nothing more than a Cosmic Sunday road trip, I mean, if you've got the tech, why wouldn't you? It's what we humans do. Many moons ago, when I was a slave to the £ and got my first Ferrari, the first thing I did was to see how fast it would go and how quickly....... Why wouldn't you? See what I mean.

BUT.........

Half of me is cheering Elon on, "Go on Elon"............... The other half of me isn't convinced, the other half of me is certain that Elon is playing a 'part', that Elon would not have been handed the keys to the Cosmic toy-box and allowed to run amok, it just smells................... Off.

Some of the best evidence I've ever seen came from a guy that used to be a member here, on this very site. It was a great shame that he was no longer welcome, actually that's a bit strong, I think it was more a case of what he had to show and say didn't align with Avalon's views.

This guy had access to raw, straight from the satellite, photographical data from one of the universities that NASA used as a data node. He would then get very detailed high-res pictures of features such as canyons, mountains, river beds etc, etc, and analyse these by layering two identical pictures and using 3D glasses. It took me a fair amount of time and patience but once I got my "eye-in"........ Oh My God! Without a shadow of a doubt there before my eyes was evidence of intelligent design/sculpture. Massive sculpted figures, some 100's of metre's high, of human-looking bodies with animalistic heads carved into the canyon walls, high design layered cities, bridges........ No mistake. No pareidolia, no trick of the eye...... Your brain is saying "can't be"........ Your mind is saying "Holy sh*t"

I'd like to give Mal a shout-out, if he's still reading. Hope you're all doing ok Mal, thanks for taking the time with me.

Non of this is proof, per se. I'm in no doubt that there is proof out there, somewhere, real, hands on, tangible proof, but the likes of you or I don't get to see that sort of proof. So, all we're left with is third-hand stories, footage that looks impressive but requiring an element of faith, Images that most shout "pareidolia" as soon as they see them, and our own intellect. I doubt we'd get very far in a court of law.Great post, and a great set of questions. Here's the most concise answer I can offer:


There's no 'proof' that I know of — but quite a lot of what I'd argue is evidence.



I spent many hours talking with 'Henry' about Mars. I'm 100% totally slam-dunk convinced he was telling me the truth about his experience and knowledge. None of that was recorded.



One particularly poignant incident was when he was staying for a week with me in my apartment in Switzerland. There was a large, color, framed photo of the Grand Canyon hanging on the wall, and Henry was just staring and staring at it. After a while, he said: "You know that that reminds me of, don't you."



See this thread:
A new Mars witness, never published (and a real one this time) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85998-A-new-Mars-witness-never-published--and-a-real-one-this-time-)
With a bit of clever internet research, one can figure out his full name — but I never posted that out of respect.



David Wilcock's Montauk source 'Daniel' told him that "the surface of Mars is littered with artifacts." 'Daniel' was physicist Dr Bruce Peret, which can be revealed now as Peret passed away in February 2020. His articles on the net can be found quite easily, and he was the real deal.



Jay Weidner, in 2010 and long before he joined Gaia, did this interview: (extracted)
http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_Secret_Space_Program_and_Mars_30_June_2010_extract.mp3
It's well worth listening to, containing what Jay had been told about Mars and the SSP. It rings true to me.



The wonderful story related by the nephew of a friend of Gordon Novel, who was hiking on his own deep in the Utah desert, and saw an enormous 600 ft arrowhead-shaped spaceplane coming into land and disappearing into an underground base, the desert floor opening up like the deck of an aircraft carrier. The story is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378). (That's no proof of Mars visitation, of course, but that thing was going somewhere. :) )



In this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1102507&viewfull=1#post1102507), I described Sean David Morton's reported sighting of an enormous 1500 ft shovel-nosed spaceplane coming in to land at Groom Lake. Despite his [very!] many flaws, this account, from the early 1990s, rang true as well.

One of the problems here is that all these pieces of evidence are in different places, all quite hard to find unless one knows where to look or what to search for. I should really compile it all sometime. No 'proof'... but quite an interesting pile of compelling reports.

[Denise/Dizi]

Thank you for broaching this subject!

I have my own opinions about Elon, and will keep those to myself, aside from saying he truly is trying to be helpful, and especially in the way of making sure what we do with AI is responsible, by merging it with us. Sadly we can't have it both ways, AI and no soul.. And given our nature, we will wish to push that tech forward, it's my opinion we truly have no choice but to do this... if we are going to be playing with such things...

As far as space? And what he knows? I suppose it doesn't matter to the lay person, it is what he does that matters.. And launching vehicles into space for fun, is hardly responsible. More like a frat party whim on a Friday night, not at all showing the neighbors we are in any way "Responsible..." Add to that the batteries he is littering the planet with, via his vehicles, and now home panels? While he is trying to help, he truly is limited given the apparatus he is forced to work within. My opinion is that the man is trying... But he is being forced to operate, at least openly within the same guidelines as the next man trying to help humanity with technology. Sad indeed.. But he has come further than most, so there is hope... I am fairly sure he "Knows" what is truly being used.. I believe at some point those that know are forced to decide whether to shut someone out, or to use them as a catalyst to give the "illusion"
that we're still progressing, when they're just repackaging the same stuff with nicer gift wrap..

I liken it to having not created any new aircraft in the last 50 years.. Not only that they're retiring the fast stuff, like the Concordes.. So suddenly, as if by "magic" someone can reintroduce it, and we will believe this is a step "forward.. "... Has anyone noticed they're not creating new passenger craft, just renumbering the 737, 747, 767 and making them bigger? Any true manufacturer of technology and aircraft, such as the big guys are devoting their resources to the spacecraft, while a few are still pumping out the "Basics" for the masses.. And they're probably rewarded heavily for keeping that illusion alive for the masses as well...

I laugh when I think about the space shuttle being retired, and going back to rockets for payload deliveries hahaha. Sadly they are fooling many.. But the icing on the cake was when Nasa suggested they lost all the instructions as to how they got to the Moon!... Hey boys? It's that bright dot in the night sky, I can draw you a map for a few billion if you like!

As far as "Mars being habited" I tend to believe it always was, just as Earth has been... And that we are also there now.. I think we are being told that Earth is the only world with life, because they don't want us to know that the planets aren't what we believe them to be, AND many of them are inhabited.. Including our Moon..

I believe this planet has many other species also living on and within it as well.. And eventually we will all learn this.. The sculptures, carvings, literature and art all indicate such from our past. I doubt it was all works of fiction. I do not believe we are fir the first time building this world, but merely rebuilding it over and over.. I am just hoping we are the species that makes it, and doesn't get washed away for the next...

I have seen some of those images of Mars as well, and what I saw could easily have been written off as paradolia, if it wasn't so dang prolific, so I am forced to admit, I too, believe those structures and sculptures indeed are littered all over the surface of Mars, just as they are on Earth... And like Earth, there are beings also living there as we are here.

As far as ime and space being somehow intertwined? I can't speak to that... But I can say, the mental exercise of considering such things, is both incredible, and very thought provoking. And I do hope that many more consider such things, as it would be nice to finally get some honesty from those that do know the truth.

[ExomatrixTV]

Imagine Elon Musk sincerely joining this forum discussion ... :eyebrows: :alien: :sing: :twitch: :whistle::meeting: :shout:

[Ankle Biter]

I have seen some of those images of Mars as well, and what I saw could easily have been written off as paradolia, if it wasn't so dang prolific, so I am forced to admit, I too, believe those structures and sculptures indeed are littered all over the surface of Mars, just as they are on Earth... And like Earth, there are beings also living there as we are here.

As far as ime and space being somehow intertwined? I can't speak to that... But I can say, the mental exercise of considering such things, is both incredible, and very thought provoking. And I do hope that many more consider such things, as it would be nice to finally get some honesty from those that do know the truth.

This is what tips the scale for into thinking there's more to the surface features that is explained away by naturally occurring or pareidolia. If/when its confirmed and accepted in broader sense it would be very interesting to see the subsequent discoveries and theories, particularly with our own forgotten history.


(edit): As to the OP topic, an independent law will become inevitable and arguably necessary if a permanent colony exists.

[TommyJ]

I have seen some of those images of Mars as well, and what I saw could easily have been written off as paradolia, if it wasn't so dang prolific, so I am forced to admit, I too, believe those structures and sculptures indeed are littered all over the surface of Mars, just as they are on Earth... And like Earth, there are beings also living there as we are here.

As far as ime and space being somehow intertwined? I can't speak to that... But I can say, the mental exercise of considering such things, is both incredible, and very thought provoking. And I do hope that many more consider such things, as it would be nice to finally get some honesty from those that do know the truth.

This is what tips the scale for into thinking there's more to the surface features that is explained away by naturally occurring or pareidolia. If/when its confirmed and accepted in broader sense it would be very interesting to see the subsequent discoveries and theories, particularly with our own forgotten history.


(edit): As to the OP topic, an independent law will become inevitable and arguably necessary if a permanent colony exists.

Definitely. Life on another planet will be quite different. And the laws of any state will become artifacts of antiquity for colonies on Mars (or anywhere else). If you take care of this in advance, you can even get something applicable at first. Although, nevertheless, the code of cosmic laws will require revision at the place of application. But this is all just theory at the moment. Nobody really knows how it will be.
It seems that people are so far only ready to launch satellites and research vehicles. And to a manned mission to Mars ...

[Dreamer148]

Mars does have sedimentary rocks, that means it had oceans and lakes in the past and very much warmer climate. The atmosphere must been much thicker, perhaps thicker than Earths, and that life will evolve wherever the conditions will allow.

So it is probable that Mars did have life, but not now, at least on the surface, where the temps fall to a 100 below at night. So what happened to Mars? That is the question, and only a team of archaeologists will answer those questions.

Elon Musk is one of the few billionaires that I truly admire, he will and is using his wealth to discover.

[ExomatrixTV]

Rare interview with billionaire Elon Musk on his plans to colonize Mars | 60 Minutes Australia:

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[mizo]

A rapid unscheduled disassembly
I suppose that sounds better than saying it went bang... :ufo::laser::boom:

https://twitter.com/VishalVerma_9/status/1649046986379902976

[Arcturian108]

A recent speech Elon gave about his plans to go to Mars, and why:
https://twitter.com/farzyness/status/1776761111401902319

[ExomatrixTV]

Terraforming Mars On the Cheap? New Solution Proposed by Scientists:

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youtube.com/@whatdamath/search?query=mars (https://www.youtube.com/@whatdamath/search?query=mars)

[ExomatrixTV]

Huge Lake Found on Mars (August 2024):

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Signs Mars could have enough liquid water for a global ocean: New discovery

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Study Finds Possible Hidden Ocean Underneath Mars' Surface:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Artificial Photosynthesis (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Artificial%20Photosynthesis) on Mars:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Propulsion Breakthrough!? New Electric Drive Defies Physics If True We Could Go To Mars In Couple Days Travel:

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By definition, nothing that works can "break physics". The most it can do is break our current understanding of physics. That said, this asymmetric-capacitor phenomenon certainly warrants further investigation. At the very least, it sounds like it's going to expand and refine our understanding of physics.

[Inversion]

Wernher von Braun mentioned an Elon in his 1948 book The Mars Project (https://archive.org/details/ProjectMars/mode/2up).

Also posted on Bemjamin Fulford website (https://benjaminfulford.net/beyond-blue-beam-45/) under his series Beyond Blue Beam on 01/29/25.

yellowhammernews (https://yellowhammernews.com/did-von-braun-prophesize-elon-musk-colonizing-mars/)

Dr. von Braun authored a book in 1948 while he was at Ft. Bliss, Texas, called Marsprojekt. The science fiction novel was published in German. Three years after Dr. von Braun relocated to Huntsville, the book was published in English by the University of Illinois Press in 1953 and titled, The Mars Project.

Chapter 24 of this science fiction work is titled, “How Mars in Governed.” In one passage of that chapter, the book states: The Martian government was directed by 10 men, the leader of whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and had the title of “Elon.” Two houses of parliament enacted the laws to be administered by Elon and his cabinet. The upper house was called the Council of the Elders and contained 60 people who were named to those positions for life by Elon.

[Michel Leclerc]

Elon is a variant of Elion, both Old Semitic meaning (the) gods and (the) divine ones respectively. (Babylon meaning the Gate of the Gods.)

Be that as it may, and although I have great understanding and empathy for those who have met our spiritual or technological superiors – the enthusiasm displayed by those who want to conquer other planets of our solar system let alone live there is to me proof of a pernicious infantile (not even boyish) Dinky Toy loving personality that is part of the predicament we are in. We are surrounded by beings who are vastly more complex and mysterious than “Mars” (cockroaches, blue whales, lichen, Sasquatch, crowd egregores, quetzalcoatls, morgellon nanobots, HIVs) who deserve our full and unwavering attention. The “Mars” and “Europa Ocean” attention blown up by Hollywood is a form of escapism that contributes to the destruction of our Paradise.