The Depopulation Plan

[Bill Ryan]

There are already a few threads about this, as it's a topic that's always hovering in the dark shadows like a vampire in a 1930s movie. :)

But it's a real thing. I wrote (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1391628&viewfull=1#post1391628) on my personal Q&A thread:


There's been comparatively little posted about this on the forum, but it seems self-evident to me that there has to be a serious plan in place to reduce the global population considerably. We're almost at that point now where communications, farming, manufacturing, transport and sales can all be highly automated. (5G is probably part of that plan.) The analogy is like downsizing the workforce of a factory by 90%, now that there are automated production lines.



For me, the question has to be about how they're going to [try to] accomplish that. I don't know the answer. But it seems to me there are three possibilities:
— The release of another much more serious virus, like smallpox or ebola. (They're real, too.)
— Global famine and the collapse of all supply chains and infrastructure.
— (a wild card candidate, but not impossible) Something in the Covid vaccines that produces sterility.

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The 3 posts immediately below have been moved here to continue the conversation. I might say more later, as I really do feel certain this kind of thing is being seriously discussed behind closed doors, and surely has been for decades.

They just may be waiting for the right strategic time to implement the downsizing. Of some concern might be that this could be round about now, or not too far away.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]
— (a wild card candidate, but not impossible) Something in the Covid vaccines that produces sterility.
[...]From Jim Stone:
I have made an observation about the Corona vax that needs to be stated (http://82.221.129.208/.uz6.html)

It is well known by now that the predominant forms of the Corona vax modify your DNA to such an extent the virus does not recognize you as human, so it will not infect.

But what is less known is that most variants of the "vaccine" contain HCG, which will make a vast majority of women (about 97 percent) sterile, and a majority of those sterilized will remain sterilized for life because the sterility component of the shot lasts 15 years (as proven by other Gates vaccines). Anyone over the age of 28 will usually be rendered sterile for life.

Why would the people developing the vaccines make sure kids could not be born after it?

EASY ANSWER: Because if the vax works by modifying everyone's DNA so much the virus does not recognize you as human and therefore cannot infect you, you have been modified to such an extent there's no telling what will be born.

So there's this "Operation Warp Speed" being talked about now - to "get everyone in America vaxxed within the same 24 hour time frame". The marketing for this is so that the virus can't mutate on time to react to the vaccine.

The reality of this is that the vaccine is so devastating they don't want 30 million people screaming about how they were wrecked, while 290 million are able to listen.

FACT: The vax, from all vendors, modifies your DNA.
FACT: The vax, from all vendors, causes infertility.
FACT: The vax is SO BAD an AI to manage public perceptions is part of the plan, right from the get go.
FACT: This vax is a key component of the "great reset".
FACT: The vaccines, (all of them) have ingredients that have never been tested on a wide scale, and are absolutely insane.
Polyethelene Glycol? - Used to make sure there is major swelling of cell tissue because in that state, the cells accept the DNA better?

WTF, OVER!!! You'd NEVER inject that SH*T for ANY REASON precisely because when injected it is so poisonous it damn near kills you. You can drink milk, but if you inject it you're DEAD. Just because PEG can be eaten in small amounts does not make it safe for injection at all.

I know where I stand on that vax - The trust has been broken. All these years we have witnessed our kids being destroyed by the vaccines, which are obviously weaponized to cause autism. AND YESTERDAY, WE SAW AN AMAZING PRESS CONFERENCE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112814-MASSIVE-FRAUD-Major-Lawsuits-to-come&p=1391580&viewfull=1#post1391580), which should have shook an honest media to it's core.

WHAT HAPPENED?

Even Tucker bailed, AND IF THE MEDIA CANNOT BE HONEST ABOUT AN ELECTION, DO YOU THINK THEY'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THE REAL CAUSE OF AUTISM? They know. They DAMN WELL KNOW and the Corona vax is not going to be reported on any more accurately than any of the rest of the bull**** they spew.

Aaah yes, "we need more research". That's a PRIME MSM spew, More research into these allegations". Oh look, the research is complete. We don't care if your cute little "basketball bobby" can only drool on a stool after the vax, The "science is settled" and it says you're full of ****!

Related:


Agenda 21, Vaccines & The Female Of The Species (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70016-Agenda-21-Vaccines-The-Female-Of-The-Species)

... apologies for the interjection... :focus:

[Gwin Ru]

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For me, the question has to be about how they're going to [try to] accomplish that. I don't know the answer. But it seems to me there are three possibilities:
— The release of another much more serious virus, like smallpox or ebola. (They're real, too.)
[...]

[...]... interjection addendum, from Jim Stone:
HEADS UP: If "They" get cornered, they might release smallpox. (http://82.221.129.208/.uz5.html)

No one has any immunity to smallpox anymore. It is considered a dead disease - eradicated. But they kept it alive in the labs. So what if they release THAT? If Trump's success ends up as good as it is looking now, they just might. Smallpox beats Ebola HANDS DOWN.

Here is what the CDC says about smallpox communicability:
"Smallpox patients became contagious once the first sores appeared in their mouth and throat (early rash stage). They spread the virus when they coughed or sneezed and droplets from their nose or mouth spread to other people."
And obviously, it can spread on contact with surfaces and things like blankets. But the basic protocol for smallpox will be to wear a mask if they do release it.

Given Trump's success at stopping the steal, I think I am going to put together a positive pressure bio suit over the next week or so. I still need the actual filter but have the rest. I suggest other people make the first precautionary steps now, because if Trump does nail this, they'll get vicious over it, they really do want most of us dead and they really do want their "great reset".

Now that I have mentioned smallpox, look at what happened in Senegal: (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.minutouno.com/notas/5149628-mas-500-personas-se-contagiaron-una-enfermedad-desconocida-senegal)
Fishermen in Senegal returned with pimples on their faces, headaches, high temperature, dry lips and red eyes. About 500 fishermen contracted an unknown disease after returning from the sea in Senegal , Ousmane Gueye, the national director of health information and education, told local media on Thursday . The senior health official assured that the people were admitted and quarantined to receive treatment. "It is a dermatitis associated with an infectious disease. We continue with studies and hope to find out soon what it is," he explained. In addition, he said that the Senegalese Navy will take samples of the water for analysis.
The symptoms match the first stages of smallpox. Obviously I cannot say it is, but this is recent and we don't know yet. Hopefully this story will fade into obscurity.


http://82.221.129.208/smallpox.jpg


TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THE BSL 4 SUIT.

https://www.dakaractu.com/Nouvelle-maladie-a-Thiaroye-sur-mer-Des-specialistes-evoquent-le-virus-Coxsackie_a196257.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=dakaractu



https://www.dakaractu.com/photo/art/default/51573105-39552336.jpg?v=1605718905

[Philippe]

[...]


For me, the question has to be about how they're going to [try to] accomplish that. I don't know the answer. But it seems to me there are three possibilities:
— The release of another much more serious virus, like smallpox or ebola. (They're real, too.)
[...]

[...]... interjection addendum, from Jim Stone:
HEADS UP: If "They" get cornered, they might release smallpox. (http://82.221.129.208/.uz5.html)

No one has any immunity to smallpox anymore. It is considered a dead disease - eradicated. But they kept it alive in the labs. So what if they release THAT? If Trump's success ends up as good as it is looking now, they just might. Smallpox beats Ebola HANDS DOWN.

Here is what the CDC says about smallpox communicability:
"Smallpox patients became contagious once the first sores appeared in their mouth and throat (early rash stage). They spread the virus when they coughed or sneezed and droplets from their nose or mouth spread to other people."
And obviously, it can spread on contact with surfaces and things like blankets. But the basic protocol for smallpox will be to wear a mask if they do release it.

Given Trump's success at stopping the steal, I think I am going to put together a positive pressure bio suit over the next week or so. I still need the actual filter but have the rest. I suggest other people make the first precautionary steps now, because if Trump does nail this, they'll get vicious over it, they really do want most of us dead and they really do want their "great reset".

Now that I have mentioned smallpox, look at what happened in Senegal: (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.minutouno.com/notas/5149628-mas-500-personas-se-contagiaron-una-enfermedad-desconocida-senegal)
Fishermen in Senegal returned with pimples on their faces, headaches, high temperature, dry lips and red eyes. About 500 fishermen contracted an unknown disease after returning from the sea in Senegal , Ousmane Gueye, the national director of health information and education, told local media on Thursday . The senior health official assured that the people were admitted and quarantined to receive treatment. "It is a dermatitis associated with an infectious disease. We continue with studies and hope to find out soon what it is," he explained. In addition, he said that the Senegalese Navy will take samples of the water for analysis.
The symptoms match the first stages of smallpox. Obviously I cannot say it is, but this is recent and we don't know yet. Hopefully this story will fade into obscurity.


http://82.221.129.208/smallpox.jpg


TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THE BSL 4 SUIT.

https://www.dakaractu.com/Nouvelle-maladie-a-Thiaroye-sur-mer-Des-specialistes-evoquent-le-virus-Coxsackie_a196257.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=dakaractu



https://www.dakaractu.com/photo/art/default/51573105-39552336.jpg?v=1605718905

Would you please stop your scaremongering again !
If smallpox disappeared mysteriously around 1979 there were spiritual reasons for that. What you are doing with your scaremongering is plunging the audience in the collective unconsciousness. And you will of course trigger all kind of negative effects. Try to conceive where all these diseases stem from. There were times in the very very long history of this galaxy when these diseases did not exist. The diseases are the result of traumatic events. Conceive a world without them and we will get there. If the enemy plans to trigger them it is merely a desperate effort to repeat what they did long ago but with much less spiritual power then they had then. i hope this helps :sun:

[Bill Ryan]

If smallpox disappeared mysteriously around 1979 there were spiritual reasons for that. It didn't disappear "mysteriously". There was a coordinated, global eradication program, which worked. See this thread:


The Eradication of Smallpox (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111558-The-Eradication-of-Smallpox)

Despite strong protests from the [heroic] leader of the program, D.A. Henderson, stocks of smallpox were maintained in several national biolabs "for research purposes". The Russians even had several tons of the virus, enough for quite a bit of research — and also enough to wipe out most of the global population many times over.

And, unforgivably, the stocks of smallpox vaccine were all destroyed in the 2000s because of the cost of refrigeration, which was $25,000/year. (Go figure.) They're replaceable, of course, if ever needed, but at a cost of billions.

[Constance]

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[EFO]

Wouldn't be better for population to have a Depolitization Plan and get rid of all idiots in charge or not,starting from IBS down to the last single member of local administration including also militarized or not,governmental or not all sort of "organizations" and rebuild a new society instead of every time lamenting of EVERYTHING they do to us?

We are more than them (they are a bunch,but we are at least 4 bln if not more :) ),but highly disorganized and with multiple ideas.

Who's the big wolf here? :)

[EFO]

I might say more later, as I really do feel certain this kind of thing is being seriously discussed behind closed doors, and surely has been for decades.

They just may be waiting for the right strategic time to implement the downsizing. Of some concern might be that this could be round about now, or not too far away.

Let's talk seriously in front of the open doors and give them an upsizing.

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

[Open Minded Dude]

— (a wild card candidate, but not impossible) Something in the Covid vaccines that produces sterility.

The WHO and their or other 'scientists' already tested and developed this possibility years ago. Mostly live in Africa or by lab invitro studies. It is documented.

[Hughe]

Few weeks ago I learned about mini Ice age during the 17th century.

It was cool down period of temperature in the globe. In extreme cases where the food production was so lower for two or three years, 1/5th to 1/6th of population in Korea died by starvation, followed by infectious diseases. Parents started to abandon their children, people started to eat corpses of dead neighbors. Parents ate their children to survive. This dark history never been taught or reported by the establishment of Korea.

There is a speculation about cause of the mini Ice Age. It's a bizarre claim that reduction of CO2 in atmosphere triggers global ice age. If it's true, policies for reduction of carbon emission (CO2) totally makes sense. Massive vaccination over two or three generations produce 30 to 40 percent of sick population, which has happened in South Korea, likely other developed countries. It's acceptable Flu vaccine kills twenty to thirty thousands maybe more annually. Each year 15 million or 20 million Flu shots injected to general population (children, pregnant women, elders) voluntarily in South Korea.

‘Little Ice Age’ caused by death of 55-million Indigenous people after colonization: study
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PS: How do they assure the world population is over 7 billions? Where does this big number come from? I don't trust it. Wealthy countries population has been declining. Africa's economy destroyed, Middle East has been battle ground, under economic sanctions by powerful countries. Two third of world population lives under extreme poverty. Only fools believe in China's statistics.

[Michi]

PS: How do they assure the world population is over 7 billions? Where does this big number come from?

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

[Sirus]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

Ensure living standards for all match the definition of 'wellbeing'.
...and less licking of the batter off the spoon ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

What decisions do you think would help, Bill?

[Gwin Ru]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?
There is a meeting of great minds waiting to happen somewhere here...



LIFE FORCE [miscellaneous reports] 10/11/2020 1:21:16

Oct 14, 2020

Kim asks for one idea of what the replacement after "they" fall must have.

mp3
https://app.box.com/s/m5ccei6ayberge4n8umnm45vrhhskpxn

I nominate 'Sovereign Selfless Life Faith' [the practice of]

[Constance]

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[Mike]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?



Boy, good question.

I think the most important place to begin is with the fundamentals: implementing plans for clean air, clean water, fresh organic foods, and free energy.

I think most of our issues would resolve themselves automatically if we did that. Just don't ask me how to do it:)

[Ernie Nemeth]

I too am aware of how important at least an outline of a plan is. My equity plan for peace is such a document. But I am not a trained leader. I can only speak theoretically, knowing the direction such a plan must proceed in and the rights that must be bestowed so everyone can achieve sovereignty, whatever that means anyway.

Reason I ask is that I know Bill was involved in leadership training back in the day. I am certain this idea has been pondered much, in light of how good leadership could be proactive and mutable.

A lot of the success of Avalon, I'm sure, can be attributed to this skill.

More like a benevolent King of old, really. For all he surveys is his, yet what does he have but us?

Bill is a natural leader.

That is why I ask.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]
Calling all problem solvers and trouble shooters with pure hearts and minds
[...]That's what the "Assemblies" are doing, prioritizing what's needed and what is absolutely needed that cannot be done without. The two main things, in the current environment being protection and truthful education.

The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&p=1383262&viewfull=1#post1383262)
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&p=1383262&viewfull=1#post1383262)

[Constance]

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[ZenBaller]

I haven't been able to understand the benefit of the depopulation for the cabal. It seems to be that humanity is a lot more valuable in big numbers. The reason is that whatever low 4d entities are controlling the planet the past millenia, do not care about money or material productions. That is a goal of human ambition and selfishness which is much lower in their power hierarchy.

It's all about feeding off the energy of humans, through lower emotions like fear, anger, hate, guilt, jealousy etc., pretty much anything the ego thrives on. When someone feels all those things, he/she radiates that energy. Where do you think it is going? Someone "eats" it to put it blatantly. The same way we hurt, kill each other and animals. It gives that temporary feeling of completeness, until the ego wakes up hungry again to repeat the process.

That's why the whole societal system is based on fear mongering, trying to make humans always feel limited and incomplete. That's why there are ritualistic events that create mass fear and desperation (9/11, Covid, death of certain celebrities etc.). It's like a feast for them.

Why would they want to depopulate humanity? The more "food" they have, the more chaos, the better for them.

[Alecs]

Well, to put on my neferious thinking cap, (which I find very distasteful), there are plenty of ways to depopulate. In addition to the inability to reproduce, there's shortenening lifespan (think disease, disaster, accident, etc.) along with self-terminations, and voluntary and involuntary ways to reduce number of reproductions per person via, for example, laws to limit births, or changing culture/beliefs/customs to delay reproduction until later in the reproductive years.

The depopulators may likekly utilize a variety of veiled, vetted methods to accomplish any of these. One MO may be analytics in combination with AI and beaming with various frequencies to cause, well, you name it. Along this line of thought, why target a whole group when it may now be just as easy to target the same number of individuals from a variety of groups. That is: achieve selective depopulation... for whatever raison du jour.

If the group is altruistic, benevolent, and spiritually-oriented, I expect, at very least, that the targeted have the opportunity understand why the decision makers are, if not who they are, and what they're truthfully comprehending... That is not so much to ask for, is it?

Edited: One comparison I make is how humans manage invasive species whether they be insects, plants, animals or viruses.

[Agape]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?


They would have to stop arguing and start coping together, of all things the first.


The numbers are not that important ( till they are, of course). By themselves they are referential, incomplete numbers, it’s been estimated there is still another half to one billion people scattered through out the continents who are “unidentified” and unaccounted for. That is from realistic perspective, the current human population count may be lingering somewhere around 8.5 billion.

There is lots and lots of free space on the planet where people could live happily if they were so inclined or in need of space ( think the whole northern part of Eurasia that will be more habitable in the next 100-200 years or newly re-emerging continent of Antarctica).
In my simple estimate human population could rise to about 80 billions before the reproduction rate starts declining naturally, that’s “only” 10 times more from now.

It does not require thousand years to get there really. Population leaps happen more easy than predictable.

But that’s not the problem.


The second part of your question is. Current governments, that is most of them, are far from being benevolent, spiritual and altruistically oriented towards humans.

It does not help if they portray themselves as such - they always did.

If they were the question alone would not exist. There would not be any problem.


In the meantime and as a matter of future forecast, it’s not the people or the governments we are or will be standing against - now or in 2100- it’s systems.

Most of the Northern hemisphere as we know it has been already taken by these systems since 2000 on but the grip of the systems had tightened rapidly since you have left and more so during the last attack of “global pandemic”.

But that’s just a beginning, innocent transition stage compared to what’s going to come. Keep eyes on the communist China of course as they are way ahead with the grip but the rest of the EU, the UK and the US, Russia and so forth are moving in the same direction without failure.

By 2100 the digital and other control systems have taken over.

Of course I firmly believe there will be different alternatives, “off shot communities” and perhaps whole nations who will at some point retreat back to self isolation mode rather than being part of any of the systems but there may not be as many at the end of the day as we ever hope for because the “systems” of multinational organisations will do their best to enforce compliance.

Think Bhutan ( spiritual, conscious and self reliant country) could likely opt out unless they are invaded militarily. Communities in far North and South and some island nations who are not banana republics.

The rest of the world is already clandestinely taken but it’s only the beginning. There is almost nothing that can be done about it at this point unless the “ideal governments” you have mentioned existed and they would be able to stop the conflict, the war ( or series of) between themselves,
thus they could loosen the grip of control imposed on their own people and be altogether humane, altruistic and benevolent as you said.


Because the situation of this world as we know it now is very much based in CONFLICT.

It’s so rooted in conflict that a generation or two of people still can’t even imagine living without that conflict and argument, the conflict is deeply rooted in their self definitions, no matter how holy or well they feel about it.

It’s a crazy world in war, with 30-40% governmental budgets being spent on weaponisation, defence and military training, that is potential threat and war against other people on this planet.

If you study the numbers carefully, there are more bullets and bombs than humans alive possibly at this point.

There are very few countries and governments who are even neutral in that game but hardly any who could just wash their hands and walk out of it with clean slate.


If you want to be quite honest with the state of these governments and their spiritual evolution, it’s nearing zero from my perspective.

They are all the same from within and without, they are very obsolete in their perspectives to make a leap or even a step further towards conscious, educated and understanding-each-other humanity ,

they are light years behind from where any “spiritual consciousness” even starts to operate.

They’re caught in identity conflicts, ethnic hive minds, blood lines, gender disputes , trade and money wars, it all cultivated on the matrix of linguistic programming that will be soon whether we like it or not overtaken by digital systems- that is numbers instead of languages.

The conflict has always been - it’s only due to get bigger with more people caught in and predictably so,
at the end of the era, it will be their systems fighting each other in manner not dissimilar to today’s advanced video games.
It will be the peak of their entertainment and probably, the grave of most of this civilisation because these idioms and the conflict/wars won’t go anywhere.


It may take them another 1000 years to be able to function on different level, stop arguing degrading or destroying each other, ruling each other and imposing some kind of ideology and systematic governance on each other.

From my utterly benign perspective: the hum of the human hive mind has already breached not only the words peaks and summits but the Point of Insanity.
It won’t take that much longer before many of even the benevolent human minds will succumb to the insanity for being “only human”.

The one world of internet was enough to trap and confuse as many people as possible. Including the young ones, people lost the true ability to internalise and resolve conflicts within because there is always some solution “out there”, some other person, or an alternative.

With the loss of this ability to ascertain “inner truth” against outer truths, simultaneous exodus of most authentic spiritual and religious systems
and human minds being thrusted to the open digital space of guesstimates : the authentic -natural- path of human stability was hijacked and thwarted,
taken over in brief.

There isn’t any way to explain this to either you or the rest of your politicians in a big way.

This isn’t my “ego chat” sorry. This is my sadness over the state of the human world as I see it working still towards its dead ends.

And sadness that most of my -our benevolent, spiritual aspirations and efforts to help here ANY are in vain, there is no role I could play in this,
no life I could accept, no bargain about the truth and none to bargain with.

Peaceful rest of the days , I enjoy the love and the smiles. Humanity will survive that’s for certain but they’ll have to sort it out without some of us 😏




Till then ...



🌸🌸🌸🌸

[EFO]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?


They would have to stop arguing and start coping together, of all things the first.


The numbers are not that important ( till they are, of course). By themselves they are referential, incomplete numbers, it’s been estimated there is still another half to one billion people scattered through out the continents who are “unidentified” and unaccounted for. That is from realistic perspective, the current human population count may be lingering somewhere around 8.5 billion.

There is lots and lots of free space on the planet where people could live happily if they were so inclined or in need of space ( think the whole northern part of Eurasia that will be more habitable in the next 100-200 years or newly re-emerging continent of Antarctica).
In my simple estimate human population could rise to about 80 billions before the reproduction rate starts declining naturally, that’s “only” 10 times more from now.

It does not require thousand years to get there really. Population leaps happen more easy than predictable.

But that’s not the problem.


The second part of your question is. Current governments, that is most of them, are far from being benevolent, spiritual and altruistically oriented towards humans.

It does not help if they portray themselves as such - they always did.

If they were the question alone would not exist. There would not be any problem.


In the meantime and as a matter of future forecast, it’s not the people or the governments we are or will be standing against - now or in 2100- it’s systems.

Most of the Northern hemisphere as we know it has been already taken by these systems since 2000 on but the grip of the systems had tightened rapidly since you have left and more so during the last attack of “global pandemic”.

But that’s just a beginning, innocent transition stage compared to what’s going to come. Keep eyes on the communist China of course as they are way ahead with the grip but the rest of the EU, the UK and the US, Russia and so forth are moving in the same direction without failure.

By 2100 the digital and other control systems have taken over.

Of course I firmly believe there will be different alternatives, “off shot communities” and perhaps whole nations who will at some point retreat back to self isolation mode rather than being part of any of the systems but there may not be as many at the end of the day as we ever hope for because the “systems” of multinational organisations will do their best to enforce compliance.

Think Bhutan ( spiritual, conscious and self reliant country) could likely opt out unless they are invaded militarily. Communities in far North and South and some island nations who are not banana republics.

The rest of the world is already clandestinely taken but it’s only the beginning. There is almost nothing that can be done about it at this point unless the “ideal governments” you have mentioned existed and they would be able to stop the conflict, the war ( or series of) between themselves,
thus they could loosen the grip of control imposed on their own people and be altogether humane, altruistic and benevolent as you said.


Because the situation of this world as we know it now is very much based in CONFLICT.

It’s so rooted in conflict that a generation or two of people still can’t even imagine living without that conflict and argument, the conflict is deeply rooted in their self definitions, no matter how holy or well they feel about it.

It’s a crazy world in war, with 30-40% governmental budgets being spent on weaponisation, defence and military training, that is potential threat and war against other people on this planet.

If you study the numbers carefully, there are more bullets and bombs than humans alive possibly at this point.

There are very few countries and governments who are even neutral in that game but hardly any who could just wash their hands and walk out of it with clean slate.


If you want to be quite honest with the state of these governments and their spiritual evolution, it’s nearing zero from my perspective.

They are all the same from within and without, they are very obsolete in their perspectives to make a leap or even a step further towards conscious, educated and understanding-each-other humanity ,

they are light years behind from where any “spiritual consciousness” even starts to operate.

They’re caught in identity conflicts, ethnic hive minds, blood lines, gender disputes , trade and money wars, it all cultivated on the matrix of linguistic programming that will be soon whether we like it or not overtaken by digital systems- that is numbers instead of languages.

The conflict has always been - it’s only due to get bigger with more people caught in and predictably so,
at the end of the era, it will be their systems fighting each other in manner not dissimilar to today’s advanced video games.
It will be the peak of their entertainment and probably, the grave of most of this civilisation because these idioms and the conflict/wars won’t go anywhere.


It may take them another 1000 years to be able to function on different level, stop arguing degrading or destroying each other, ruling each other and imposing some kind of ideology and systematic governance on each other.

From my utterly benign perspective: the hum of the human hive mind has already breached not only the words peaks and summits but the Point of Insanity.
It won’t take that much longer before many of even the benevolent human minds will succumb to the insanity for being “only human”.

The one world of internet was enough to trap and confuse as many people as possible. Including the young ones, people lost the true ability to internalise and resolve conflicts within because there is always some solution “out there”, some other person, or an alternative.

With the loss of this ability to ascertain “inner truth” against outer truths, simultaneous exodus of most authentic spiritual and religious systems
and human minds being thrusted to the open digital space of guesstimates : the authentic -natural- path of human stability was hijacked and thwarted,
taken over in brief.

There isn’t any way to explain this to either you or the rest of your politicians in a big way.

This isn’t my “ego chat” sorry. This is my sadness over the state of the human world as I see it working still towards its dead ends.

And sadness that most of my -our benevolent, spiritual aspirations and efforts to help here ANY are in vain, there is no role I could play in this,
no life I could accept, no bargain about the truth and none to bargain with.

Peaceful rest of the days , I enjoy the love and the smiles. Humanity will survive that’s for certain but they’ll have to sort it out without some of us 😏




Till then ...



🌸🌸🌸🌸

Priceless,brilliant and exquisite said!!!

I add to your second part that "the system" has created during years a very subtle form of Holocaust against world population through different main (weather manipulation,food poisoning,drugs counterfeiting,wars and so on) and secondary (deforestation,pollution,psychic and emotional manipulation,diverting the real meanings of the words and so on) elements for what reason they must be convicted accordingly as been done before.

We have pharaohs,kings,queens,tsars,tyrants,despots,dictators,empires,kingdoms,religions,ideologies all based on conflicts,supremacy and polarities and all fall in time.Nothing worked as an hierarchical society,even in an utopic one,as Mr. Ryan benevolently describe it as " imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.",because at one moment an other "idiot or a group of idiots" will pop up and ruin everything and this must be prevented by a solid and real education of ENTIRE MASS OF PEOPLE and not only for a handful of "chosen ones".

[Agape]

Thanks EFO, it’s one and the same thing you’ve named just in different formats.

Now most of us despite living in different parts of the world understand and get to understand what systems do for people, how they treat people, treat them as numbers.
These “systems” are the latest invention of humanity replacing genuine human force.

Most countries leaders these days are themselves products of these systems or had been brewed and evolved by them. Systems in place simplify and reduce the need for human to human contact and communication, and original thought process.

No one is allowed to “think too much” under the reign of a system and you can’t discuss with it.

It’s not as bad now yet because this is the beginning of it and “transition period” but on the other hand, it’s happening very fast and in front of our eyes during the past ten years.

People and live intelligence and wisdom are being replaced by those who act like perfect actors fitting the system.

In the search of penultimate perfection man has (again) found his own mettle.

You’re quite right of course that all systems employ self-regulatory mechanisms, turning quite often against those not fitting in precisely or worse,
not fitting the numbers ( think the US Green card “lottery system” or well, think any state sponsored lottery ).

Looking from out of box, I see nothing but colliding systems and dream of us fighting them hundreds of years in future so I’m sure they’ll be here as whatever is being set up in motion by the big governments and organizations works in their favor.

I could go even further in my deliberations here and speak of “ET civilizations” supporting creation of these systems but I know, I’m a bit far ahead with it and who knows if even 300 years later will we have enough intelligence to determine “where do the systems come from” or why are they so vulnerable to exploitation.

For now I think it’s good enough if people around the globe recognized nature of reality we are inhabiting, it being but One Planet and one multicolored humanity
and stopped the senseless war against each other,

my friend I’d say: we have no other option, no better and more intelligent option, no better chosen people than the rest of people and their wits and skills and hearts.

No matter how many people will be killed and raped and soul raped in the name of someone’s hypocrisy and ignorance , the remaining lot will have to deal with the trauma of those crimes.

No one is an island of their own ..


🙏🍵🙏

[araucaria]

Benevolent government.
The first thing would be for people to become more comfortable in less space. As I have suggested before, the elite is characterized by their need for vast amounts of space. Their homes are castles, their gardens entire counties or countries etc., betraying a basic inability to cope with a level of intimacy the rest of us have and which we see as a basic human need – of course within limits, since many are over-confined and even imprisoned. On the other hand, vast spaces can be opened up for all, provided they are shared by all. The need for private ownership would be reduced to reasonable levels compatible with the collective interest.

Nature has its own equivalent of the above. Covering 70% of the planet, sea water is taking up more of its fair share of space. This might be reduced to some small degree in several ways. Desalination could restore the deserts to fertility, thereby also increasing useful landmass. Or you might want to build floating cities, such as cruise ships or by means of amphibious structures using novel designs. This would free up valuable land for growing food and other things instead of urban sprawl where the quality of life is badly impaired.

Such government would have to come literally from the grassroots, otherwise it would be decried as communism. It might start with people pulling down a garden fence or wall or other protective structure around their private domain. These would become unnecessary if benevolence ruled the world; one would no longer be trying to escape into a safe place of one’s own but on the contrary looking outwards for contact with others.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Under the Babylonian Money Magic System, 'Follow the money.', is the best advice.

It is why I still maintain that we can turn this around overnight.

We are under a spell. That spell was cast long ago. The spell is so well cast that the enthralled have no idea. No idea of their true wealth, their true power, their true heritage, their true source.

Money and Power were cast together as a great spell. The right to rule is the power to issue money. And whomsoever issues the money, rules.

We have no idea of the wealth that is ours! Our heritage has been put under stewardship at our behest. In sovereign lands it is called coerced consent. Here we call it the will of the people, the ethics of scarcity, or some other platitude.

The resources of the planet are ours, unassailable from any angle of logic because ultimately we procure them, we process them, we assemble them, and we consume them. That's 'we the people'...not 'we who got there first and now call it our own'.

The spell is about to be recast, reset, renewed, under the auspices of global philanthropists with sudden tremendous concern for the regular people of the world.

A great opportunity indeed. But not for their great reset. No.

With their necks stretched way out in their desperate effort to steal elections, bring the world to its knees over covid, turn the narrative by their talking heads on MSM denying everything, the muzzling of thousands of doctors, the corrupt have exposed themselves.

I say we lop off their heads while they are being so obliging.

That won't break the spell but it will awaken a whole lot of sleepy people!

[Anka]

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”- Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh

Extinction was a rule as history shows, that's why we're still here. Good solutions are left to those who have them at hand.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.c7UE2Jj-0GMdrCrcA68eiQHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1

We must all be an exception, because we certainly are :flower:

[safara]

So there's this "Operation Warp Speed" being talked about now - to "get everyone in America vaxxed within the same 24 hour time frame". The marketing for this is so that the virus can't mutate on time to react to the vaccine. [B]

The reality of this is that the vaccine is so devastating they don't want 30 million people screaming about how they were wrecked, while 290 million are able to listen.


While this "might" be possible somewhere like the USA - it does not work in much of the rest of the world.

I was chatting with a friend of mine in India the other day, and he says that in India there is very litte talk of the vaccine among the common folk as there is simply not the infrustructure there to immunize over a billion people within anything like 10 years time.

[Mike Gorman]

Smallpox immunity, anyone who traveled during the 1970's & 80's would have received a vaccination I know that I did prior to leaving England in 1970, I don't think I am unique in this regard.

[Mike Gorman]

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”- Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh

Extinction was a rule as history shows, that's why we're still here. Good solutions are left to those who have them at hand.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.c7UE2Jj-0GMdrCrcA68eiQHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1

We must all be an exception, because we certainly are :flower:

Prince Phillip's quote that he would wish to be reincarnated as a deadly virus is a chilling reminder of just how anti-human these 'elite groups' truly are: imagine what they are genuinely engineering, depopulation comes very high on their agenda!

[Mike Gorman]

Under the Babylonian Money Magic System, 'Follow the money.', is the best advice.

It is why I still maintain that we can turn this around overnight.

We are under a spell. That spell was cast long ago. The spell is so well cast that the enthralled have no idea. No idea of their true wealth, their true power, their true heritage, their true source.

Money and Power were cast together as a great spell. The right to rule is the power to issue money. And whomsoever issues the money, rules.

We have no idea of the wealth that is ours! Our heritage has been put under stewardship at our behest. In sovereign lands it is called coerced consent. Here we call it the will of the people, the ethics of scarcity, or some other platitude.

The resources of the planet are ours, unassailable from any angle of logic because ultimately we procure them, we process them, we assemble them, and we consume them. That's 'we the people'...not 'we who got there first and now call it our own'.

The spell is about to be recast, reset, renewed, under the auspices of global philanthropists with sudden tremendous concern for the regular people of the world.

A great opportunity indeed. But not for their great reset. No.

With their necks stretched way out in their desperate effort to steal elections, bring the world to its knees over covid, turn the narrative by their talking heads on MSM denying everything, the muzzling of thousands of doctors, the corrupt have exposed themselves.

I say we lop off their heads while they are being so obliging.

That won't break the spell but it will awaken a whole lot of sleepy people!

I was banned from Medium, the Silicon Valley's "Borg Media" platform, where they seek to corral the young writers of the world - anyway I posted a comment suggesting that the 'elite billionaire' communities would experience something like the French Revolution's solution for corrupt folks-being put to death for their outright betrayal of We The People, this did not go down very well at Medium, just as a matter of interest.

[enigma3]

The depopulation agenda goes way back. At least to the time of Margaret Sanger. The Rockefeller Foundation has put big money into eugenics research since before WWII. After WWII the foundation brought in most of the German scientists who were researching eugenics. Brought in under Operation Paperclip. By now it would be reasonable to suspect there is a very large folder at the Rockefeller Foundation on population reduction.
Eugenics is part and parcel to Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030. Yes it could be reasonably argued that the planet can sustain 10 billion people, but in what conditions? The big brick wall resides in the rich bastards/families and old money do not want so many people. So they do not fund infrastructure upgrades. People end up living in squalor. The oceans are in trouble due to acidification. Not global warming. The rich refuse to pay for sewers in many parts of the world. It goes on.
Vaccines are the latest weapon used to shrink the population. They have already found a way to stunt births in western countries by reducing sperm counts in white males. How to reduce Asian populations? Fukushima is a beauty. How long will it take for the fish in the indo-pacific region to become inedible?
No doubt eugenics is in full swing. It is as sinister as any program I have witnessed.

[Agape]

I see it thus: there is lots of foolishness around scattered everywhere you look. There is so much materials and abundance we can’t contain it yet there is poverty.

Destroy the virus of human greed and this civilization can be afloat and sail happily.

Since no matter where you find yourself on this planet, it’s still a hard core planet, not a paradise. Thou and I once thought we can find a piece of paradise on this planet but not. And it’s never been a paradise at any time of our history here,
despite scriptural claims,
it’s just been good and better and worse or bad times but they always changed and our presence,
both beautiful and fragile is a result of million years of continuous, consequent up-downs.
We fall and burn to ashes and rise from the ashes like Firebird.


We do not remember many things of our deeper past but some of us tend to see deeper.

In either case, right now the planet is overwhelmed by human activity, products and the waste of it and the only reason we can’t sort it out is lack of calculation.

It all together with human lives is being wasted on behalf of someone’s greed and dirty lies about “what we don’t have”.

We do if we care to give it, on need to need basis.

We waste resources and human capacity on trade and gambling. We complain about inhumanity of systems we pay to create movies to entertain us enough so we forget what’s for real.
We ask for illusions and pay magicians on stage.

So that “we” the crowd never grow up enough to start sorting it out.


If overall human situation can be improved for all and it cries to be improved, before we ever think of going anywhere from here, thousands of generations will perish unless we are more caring and considerate.

No child can grow up without love so can’t individual and a civilization.

If people are kept victims and slaves, called soul-less they stop growing to who they were meant to be.


If the virus of human greed can be destroyed we all are free citizens of the Universe.



🙏💫🍵❤️

[AutumnW]

Unfortunately natural processes will likely kick in and humans with a specific genetic and health profile will survive in larger numbers. Everybody else will be on their own. Mother Nature bats last.

[Hermoor]

Do we think it's going to be hundredth monkey syndrome or bust for humanity getting out of this abominable pickle?

I personally think the most important changes need to come from grass roots community level and up. The foragers, growers, hunters and fishermen in my community are actually doing well in that respect. They are generally approaching it from the angle of hardy, resourceful people knowing harsher times are probably coming and wanting to establish alternatives before the event. Not as ideal as approaching it from the angle of we're all being scammed, but a step in the right direction nevertheless.

One other person in my street has similar reading lists and opinions as myself. The noise from everyone else is 'the sooner we all get the vaccine, the sooner we all get back to normal'.

I know things happen rapidly when the hundredth monkey's consciousness kicks in, but in my community at least the monkeys are a long way off the pace.

The decline of the western (was it further afield than that?) male sperm count has been well documented for a long time now. The falling birth rate. Women putting careers ahead of babies. LGBTQ filth being promoted heavily. And so on.

It does appear that a depopulation plan has been part of the agenda for a long time.

Recently I've been pondering Huxley and Orwell again. In literature Brave New World came first and was followed by 1984. In reality we probably need Big Brother well secured before the state hatcheries open.

Nothing much more than a hunch, but I'll voice it (once more) because I've sensed the energy in the ether already.... I get the feeling about three generations hence (75 years) is where the aim is currently set. The parasites want humanity effectively infertile and stupefied. The energy was telling me four generations is too slow for them and two generations probably isn't long enough.

[AutumnW]

Nice post, Bullseye, but possibly a little more sensitivity to gay members of this community is warranted.

[Hermoor]

Nice post, Bullseye, but possibly a little more sensitivity to gay members of this community is warranted.

No offence, but it's a nope on the little more sensitivity thing. I know when I'm being played by filth. Do your thing and cause no harm is fine by me. When the MSM are drumming it in my ears to the extent I'm personally offended, then I switch the tv off and stop buying newspapers. So I've that to thank them for I suppose.

My best friend from school is gay. I love the guy. He never bangs his sexuality and lifestyle drum in my ear and I return the favour.

[AutumnW]

Nice post, Bullseye, but possibly a little more sensitivity to gay members of this community is warranted.

No offence, but it's a nope on the little more sensitivity thing. I know when I'm being played by filth. Do your thing and cause no harm is fine by me. When the MSM are drumming it in my ears to the extent I'm personally offended, then I switch the tv off and stop buying newspapers. So I've that to thank them for I suppose.

My best friend from school is gay. I love the guy. He never bangs his sexuality and lifestyle drum in my ear and I return the favour.


The MSM have a weird fixation on sex of all kinds. I don't watch or listen, ever. I don't get television. Sit-coms ruined it for me.

Back to topic!:thumbsup:

[syrwong]

Ralph Smart is givning serious warning for following the orders of the authority. He predicted a false flag similar to 911 last year. Now he is comparing the global cult to the People's Temple cult which a few decades ago masscred close to a thousand followers by asking them to take a poisonous drink. Only thirty six members survived by not following the order. The analogy is with vaccination.

csi8RDITVt0

[roguemoon]

i reckon the population circuit breaker vaccines may contain the following, all undisclosed of course
HCG is a hormone released during pregnancy,
To disable that hormone add
1 aluminium
2 tetanus toxoid, (TT)
3 sheep lutropin {luteinising hormone high or low levels can prevent ovulation)
4 diphtheria (DT)
5 hormone levonorgestrel — a progestin — which can prevent ovulation,
the pill prevents follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) levels from rising. Without ample FSH, ovulation cannot occur. use with estrogen

or 6 ulipristal acetate (ella) and 7 estrogen

immune system will make antibodies to attack to HCG as does the tetanus toxoid
In the case of hCG, conception can still take place, but the developing embryo will abort.

Vaccine works with addition of Lutropin and diphtheria but has to be repeated as the antibodies decline over time vaccine employed at 300 micrograms gonadotropin equivalent per injection.

The principle of anti-hCG vaccine is to introduce antibodies which can bind to hCG and render it biologically inactive.”

[Mike Gorman]

As the venerable Piers Corbyn asserts: Vaccines are not like the old 'Bovine' attenuated virus vaccines, which the Smallpox vaccine originally was (Cowpox in fact, which transfers immune response to Smallpox) - they are cocktails of substances that have various objectives, infertility might be one of these, but also DNA/RNA engineering, some kind of adjustment to the human genome; they certainly are not simple vaccines any longer!
I also take in what Dr Vernon Coleman has to say, and of course we are all lumped together by the legacy media intelligence community as being 'Anti-Vaxers', which is rather like the 'Luddites' in terms of the mass effect of this label, people who are too stupid to understand the benefits of modern medical science, people who must be schooled, and finally shunned and ridiculed. I am all for genuine vaccines, as far as they can be produced, but the public seems to have been hoodwinked into believing that Science can produce a vaccine for every occasion; blatant naivety!

[Bill Ryan]

As the venerable Piers Corbyn asserts: Vaccines are not like the old 'Bovine' attenuated virus vaccines, which the Smallpox vaccine originally was (Cowpox in fact, which transfers immune response to Smallpox) - they are cocktails of substances that have various objectives, infertility might be one of these, but also DNA/RNA engineering, some kind of adjustment to the human genome; they certainly are not simple vaccines any longer!That's right. It's one of those sugar-coated deceptive-language things. They should correctly be called injections.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]


For me, the question has to be about how they're going to [try to] accomplish that. I don't know the answer. But it seems to me there are three possibilities:
— The release of another much more serious virus, like smallpox or ebola. (They're real, too.)
[...]

... interjection addendum, from Jim Stone:
HEADS UP: If "They" get cornered, they might release smallpox. (http://82.221.129.208/.uz5.html)...[...]
“Dark Winter” Was The Code Name For A Scenario In Which A Biological Weapon Was Used Against The American Populace (http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/dark-winter-was-the-code-name-for-a-scenario-in-which-a-biological-weapon-was-used-against-the-american-populace)

By Michael Snyder
November 29, 2020

Could it be possible that the phrase “dark winter” has some sort of deeper meaning that most of us are not meant to understand? We have heard that phrase over and over again in recent weeks, and usually it has been used in discussions regarding the current state of the COVID-19 pandemic. But it also turns out that “Dark Winter” was also a code name for a high level simulation that was conducted back in 2001. That simulation envisioned a scenario in which a widespread smallpox attack was unleashed inside the United States. As you will see below, the simulation was “designed to spiral out of control”, and the hypothetical consequences were absolutely disastrous.

The reason why this is a concern is because so many of these “simulations” and “exercises” end up mirroring real life events that happen at a later date.

For example, most of you have probably heard about Event 201 (https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/) by now. On October 18th, 2019 a group of prominent individuals gathered in New York City to simulate what would happen during a worldwide coronavirus pandemic (https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html)…
Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.
Of course COVID-19 started spreading in China just a few weeks later.

We have seen this same pattern happen so many times, and now we are being told over and over again that a “dark winter” is ahead.

For example, Joe Biden specifically warned us about a “dark winter” during the final presidential debate in October (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/biden-dark-winter-america-431399)…
Joe Biden warned at Thursday night’s presidential debate that the U.S. was “about to go into a dark winter,” echoing the concerns of public health experts who caution about increased daily Covid-19 case counts converging with the annual flu season.

“We’re about to go into a dark winter. A dark winter,” Biden said.

“And he has no clear plan, and there’s no prospect that there’s going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the American people before the middle of next year.”
It is interesting to note that he repeated the phrase twice.

It is almost as if he was determined to make sure that he said it correctly.

And then he started using the phrase over and over again on the campaign trail and he kept using it even after the voting was over.

For example, here is an instance where he used the phrase on the Monday after the election (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-11-09/biden-warns-of-very-dark-winter-as-us-approaches-10-million-coronavirus-cases)…
Joe Biden on Monday warned that a “very dark winter” is approaching as the U.S. coronavirus case count nears 10 million.

“There is a need for bold action to fight this pandemic,” Biden said in Delaware. “We’re still facing a very dark winter.”
I never thought too much about his use of that phrase, but could it be possible that it is actually some sort of a code word or signal?

We do know that it was a code word for a high level exercise that was held in 2001.

The following comes from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter)…
Operation Dark Winter was the code name for a senior-level bio-terrorist attack simulation conducted on June 22–23, 2001.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter#cite_note-3) It was designed to carry out a mock version of a covert and widespread smallpox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox) attack on the United States. Tara O’Toole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_O%27Toole) and Thomas Inglesby of the Johns Hopkins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johns_Hopkins) Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Civilian_Biodefense_Strategies) (CCBS) (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press/1999/FEBRUARY/990209.HTM) / Center for Strategic and International Studies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies) (CSIS) (http://www.csis.org/press/ma_2001_0723.htm), and Randy Larsen and Mark DeMier of Analytic Services were the principal designers, authors, and controllers of the Dark Winter project.
It is interesting to note that smallpox is a highly infectious disease that involves sores appearing on the skin.

For those that have read my latest book (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DJ6Y81Q), you already understand why that detail is so important to me.

And as I already mentioned above, this exercise was specifically designed “to spiral out of control” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter)…
Dark Winter’s simulated scenario involved an initial localized smallpox attack on Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City,_Oklahoma), with additional smallpox attack cases in Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)) and Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania). The simulation was then designed to spiral out of control. This would create a contingency in which the National Security Council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Security_Council) struggles to determine both the origin of the attack as well as deal with containing the spreading virus. By not being able to keep pace with the disease’s rate of spread, a new catastrophic contingency emerges in which massive civilian casualties would overwhelm America’s emergency response (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_response) capabilities.
Could it be possible that Biden and others are using the phrase “dark winter” to signal that something is about to spiral out of control?

I don’t know. I am just asking the question.

In Operation Dark Winter, the spread of smallpox also resulted in a “massive loss of civilian life” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter)…
The disastrous contingencies that would result in the massive loss of civilian life were used to exploit the weaknesses of the U.S. health care infrastructure and its inability to handle such a threat. The contingencies were also meant to address the widespread panic that would emerge and which would result in mass social breakdown and mob violence. Exploits would also include the many difficulties that the media would face when providing American citizens with the necessary information regarding safety procedures. Discussing the outcome of Dark Winter, Bryan Walsh noted “The timing–just a few months before the 9/11 attack–was eerily prescient, as if the organizers had foreseen how the threat of terrorism, including bioterrorism, would come to consume the U.S. government and public in the years to come.”[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter#cite_note-4)
So let me try to summarize what we have learned.

Operation Dark Winter envisioned a scenario in which a highly infectious disease that causes sores on the skin spirals out of control and causes a “massive loss of civilian life”.

And suddenly Joe Biden and other elitists have begun repeating this phrase over and over again as we head into 2021.

Be sure to bookmark this page so that you can refer back to it later.

Reality is often stranger than fiction, and the table has been set for some really, really strange things to happen.


***Michael’s new book entitled “Lost Prophecies Of The Future Of America” is now available in paperback (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DBNHDJS) and for the Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/Prophecies-Future-America-Michael-Snyder-ebook/dp/B08DJ6Y81Q/) on Amazon.***

[Mike Gorman]

Thank you for the information, for taking the time to post this: chilling stuff! These times we are sharing, there is something distinctly strange going on for real!

[Arcturian108]

Just found this online: http://tapnewswire.com/2020/12/covid-vaccines-biological-weapons-of-mass-destruction-says-wyoming-medical-doctor-and-manager-for-wyomings-state-public-health-department

Dr. Shepherd was born and raised in the Soviet Union, and became a Military Doctor in St. Petersburg, Russia, and studied under the Strategic Rocket Force.

He is an expert today on bio-weapons, Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and high yield Explosives,(CBRNE) and Pandemic preparedness.

His view is that these vaccines are very similar technology to the bio-weapon RND used to develop viral weapons. He fully understands that the plan of depopulation and mandatory vaccinations will be at our doorstep very soon, and is shocked that the American people are so passive concerning this enemy takeover.

He believes that this fake pandemic is the means by which a communist global government will be ushered into existence; one that cannot be voted out.

[onawah]

Dr. Shepherd talks about the stockpiling of smallpox and much more, also posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110697-A-World-Pushing-Back-Against-CV19-Lockdown-The-Protests-The-Revolts-The-Non-Compliance&p=1393911&viewfull=1#post1393911


Just found this online: http://tapnewswire.com/2020/12/covid-vaccines-biological-weapons-of-mass-destruction-says-wyoming-medical-doctor-and-manager-for-wyomings-state-public-health-department

Dr. Shepherd was born and raised in the Soviet Union, and became a Military Doctor in St. Petersburg, Russia, and studied under the Strategic Rocket Force.

He is an expert today on bio-weapons, Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and high yield Explosives,(CBRNE) and Pandemic preparedness.

His view is that these vaccines are very similar technology to the bio-weapon RND used to develop viral weapons. He fully understands that the plan of depopulation and mandatory vaccinations will be at our doorstep very soon, and is shocked that the American people are so passive concerning this enemy takeover.

He believes that this fake pandemic is the means by which a communist global government will be ushered into existence; one that cannot be voted out.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I have been seeing various references to the fact the PCR test swabs themselves may have nanotech, and/or genetic material necessary to a vaccination agenda. I have absolutely NO way to know if this is true, but photos of large lines of people waiting to be "tested", make me think that an end run has been made against vaccine resistance. I personally know of people who claim they will never take a vaccine, but who have been tested two or three times. Perhaps a member has more scientific/immunization or technical knowledge.. I am just suspicious of the constant drumbeat of "more testing".

[DeDukshyn]

I have been seeing various references to the fact the PCR test swabs themselves may have nanotech, and/or genetic material necessary to a vaccination agenda. I have absolutely NO way to know if this is true, but photos of large lines of people waiting to be "tested", make me think that an end run has been made against vaccine resistance. I personally know of people who claim they will never take a vaccine, but who have been tested two or three times. Perhaps a member has more scientific/immunization or technical knowledge.. I am just suspicious of the constant drumbeat of "more testing".

I don't think it goes that far - it would have drawn suspicion by now, in my opinion.

But ... since the PCR test can produce positives without infection, due to minute exposures without ever having an infection, or long after a very mild infection or exposure to the virus, it can help drive up the case numbers which in turn drums up the fear in the masses, which in turn drives up the consideration for agreeing to a vaccine that has not been properly tested. Therefore it serves its purpose.

It seems to me that the human immune response has been far more potent than was first considered (think: initial models and projections that the WHO and Gates foundation put forth as guidance on how to react) - pushing the PCR test as much as possible would be a natural counter to that unexpected result.

[Ewan]

I have been seeing various references to the fact the PCR test swabs themselves may have nanotech, and/or genetic material necessary to a vaccination agenda. I have absolutely NO way to know if this is true, but photos of large lines of people waiting to be "tested", make me think that an end run has been made against vaccine resistance. I personally know of people who claim they will never take a vaccine, but who have been tested two or three times. Perhaps a member has more scientific/immunization or technical knowledge.. I am just suspicious of the constant drumbeat of "more testing".

I don't think it goes that far - it would have drawn suspicion by now, in my opinion.

But ... since the PCR test can produce positives without infection, due to minute exposures without ever having an infection, or long after a very mild infection or exposure to the virus, it can help drive up the case numbers which in turn drums up the fear in the masses, which in turn drives up the consideration for agreeing to a vaccine that has not been properly tested. Therefore it serves its purpose.

It seems to me that the human immune response has been far more potent than was first considered (think: initial models and projections that the WHO and Gates foundation put forth as guidance on how to react) - pushing the PCR test as much as possible would be a natural counter to that unexpected result.

For info only.. quoted from here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110697-A-World-Pushing-Back-Against-CV19-Lockdown-The-Protests-The-Revolts-The-Non-Compliance&p=1393965&viewfull=1#post1393965)


https://on.rt.com/aw9r

A global team of experts has found 10 FATAL FLAWS in the main test for Covid and is demanding it’s urgently axed. As they should
1 Dec, 2020 18:59

By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics
A peer review of the paper on which most Covid testing is based has comprehensively debunked the science behind it, finding major flaws. They conclude it’s utterly unsuitable as a means for diagnosis – and the fall-out is immense.

Last week, I reported[1] on a landmark ruling from Portugal, where a court had ruled against a governmental health authority that had illegally confined four people to a hotel this summer. They had done so because one of the people had tested positive for Covid in a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test – but the court had found the test fundamentally flawed and basically inadmissible.

Now the PCR testing supremacy under which we all now live has received another crushing blow. A peer review[2] from a group of 22 international experts has found 10 “major flaws” in the main protocol for such tests. The report systematically dismantles the original study[3], called the Corman-Drosten paper, which described a protocol for applying the PCR technique to detecting Covid.

The Corman-Drosten paper was published on January, 23, 2020, just a day after being submitted, which would make any peer review process that took place possibly the shortest in history. What is important about it is that the protocol it describes is used in around 70 percent of Covid kits worldwide. It’s cheap, fast – and absolutely useless.

The 10 deadly sins

Among the fatal flaws[4] that totally invalidate the PCR testing protocol are that the test:

is non-specific, due to erroneous primer design

is enormously variable

cannot discriminate between the whole virus and viral fragments

has no positive or negative controls

has no standard operating procedure

does not seem to have been properly peer reviewed

Oh dear. One wonders whether anything at all was correct in the paper. But wait – it gets worse. As has been noted[5] previously, no threshold for positivity was ever identified. This is why labs have been running 40 cycles, almost guaranteeing a large number of false positives – up to 97 percent, according to some[6] studies.

The cherry on top, though, is that among the authors of the original paper themselves, at least four have severe conflicts of interest. Two of them are members of the editorial board of Eurosurveillance, the sinisterly named journal that published the paper. And at least three of them are on the payroll of the first companies to perform PCR testing!

Heroes we deserve

The 22 members of the consortium[7] that has challenged this shoddy science deserve huge credit. The scientists, from Europe, the USA, and Japan, comprise senior molecular geneticists, biochemists, immunologists, and microbiologists, with many decades of experience between them.

They have issued a demand to Eurosurveillance to retract the Corman-Drosten paper, writing: “Considering the scientific and methodological blemishes presented here, we are confident that the editorial board of Eurosurveillance has no other choice but to retract the publication.’’ Talk about putting the pressure on.

It is difficult to overstate the implications of this revelation. Every single thing about the Covid orthodoxy relies on ‘case numbers’, which are largely the results of the now widespread PCR tests. If their results are essentially meaningless, then everything we are being told – and ordered to do by increasingly dictatorial governments – is likely to be incorrect. For instance, one of the authors of the review is Dr Mike Yeadon, who asserts[8] that, in the UK, there is no ‘second wave’ and that the pandemic has been over since June. Having seen the PCR tests so unambiguously debunked, it is hard to see any evidence to the contrary.

The house of cards collapses

Why was this paper rushed to publication in January, despite clearly not meeting proper standards? Why did none of the checks and balances that are meant to prevent bad science dictating public policy kick into action? And why did it take so long for anyone in the scientific community to challenge its faulty methodology? These questions lead to dark ruminations, which I will save for another day.

Even more pressing is the question of what is going to be done about this now. The people responsible for writing and publishing the paper have to be held accountable. But also, all PCR testing based on the Corman-Drosten protocol should be stopped with immediate effect. All those who are so-called current ‘Covid cases’, diagnosed based on that protocol, should be told they no longer have to isolate. All present and previous Covid deaths, cases, and ‘infection rates’ should be subject to a massive retroactive inquiry. And lockdowns, shutdowns, and other restrictions should be urgently reviewed and relaxed.

Because this latest blow to PCR testing raises the probability that we are not enduring a killer virus pandemic, but a false positive pseudo-epidemic. And one on which we are destroying our economies, wrecking people’s livelihoods and causing more deaths than Covid-19 will ever claim.

References:

https://cormandrostenreview.com is not working!

[1] https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507937-covid-pcr-test-fail/
[2] https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/
[3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6988269/
[4] https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/
[5] https://www.rt.com/op-ed/499816-positive-covid-virus-contagious/
[6] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603
[7] https://cormandrostenreview.com/icsls/
[8] https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-pcr-false-positive-pseudo-epidemic/

[Merkaba360]

Elon is saying that, according to his math, there is more concern for a population crunch (instead of overpopulation) later in this century from the falloff of birthrates due to countries developing. Has anyone seen his math showing his projections? It doesn't seem that he has published his numbers.

This is quite hard to figure out -- why seed humans here, monitor us throughout history and wait until we are 5-8 billion before pushing for a cull. If they want 500 million or whatever, why not deal with it a few centuries ago? Perhaps in our more natural state with less polluted bodies it was hard to accomplish via pandemic. Who knows, maybe the bubonic plague was an attempt at that. Perhaps they needed us to reach billions to develop the technology and organization to have more means of culling us.

Mattias De Stefano says that our primary reason for coming here is to help the planet become a portal/gateway. I suppose this is the same thing as saying "help earth reach a higher frequency/density" so that it opens up to interdimensional, 4th dimensional reality and becomes a hub in the galaxy for much trade and travel. If this were true, then it seems they needed ALOT of humanoids of the appropriate consciousness level that matches the planets stage of development. Interdimensional ET's may not have been suitable for this. But now that the planet is moving to that higher frequency, it is more suitable for them, so get rid of many of us to make room for "nature" = the rest of the 4th dimensional/density lifeforms. lol

IF the space command is real, then wouldn't they want to keep many of us canon fodder humans around for front lines in the the local space wars? I'm not sure if I believe this or not, seems AI robots would be better solidiers out in space or on harsh planets/moons out there.

It is really frustrating, that we can't even win one decent sized disclosure battle that would fill in some of these gaps. Whether it be finding something on Earth revealing part of our history or ET related. Although, Im much more excited about the possibilities coming this decade with the earth wars ramping up, accelerating everything including the "Great Awakening" lol It will be really fun to someday talk to ET's and have them tell us, "I was reading your comment on Project Avalon 5 years ago about ___insert topic___ and was thrilled that you really nailed it." :) I wonder how impressed they are with us all. I'm sure alphabet agencies or ET's keep an eye on those of us who are able to penetrate deeper.

[Merkaba360]

On another note. I'm working on decoding the 4 horseman of the apocalypse and figure out which horseman is connected to the Aquarian apocalypse (unveiling), which could be currently being played out in regards to this depopulation agenda. I recently came across this link, which is a good read and is a good translation/analysis in my view.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/112659949/Astrology-and-the-Four-Horsemen-of-Revelations

https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/9t76ofuxc04i5l67/images/1-a758bf257c.jpg

So, the pale horse and horseman is the cold winter horse of capricorn and aquarius horseman. This is the current one of interest.

1st Horseman (white) - Bow and Crown (crown=corona) - Conquest (perhaps invoking Pestilence, christ or antichrist)(not sure if this one is "beasts of the Earth")
2nd Horseman (Red) - Sword - War and Bloodshed
3rd Horseman (Black) - Scales - Famine
4th Horseman (Pale) - Spear ? - Death <---Aquarian Apocalypse ( the only one of the 4 that is human)

Note: It is unclear if the 4th Death represents a plague or all 4 means combined --> following the introduction of the fourth rider; "They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." However, it is a matter of debate as to whether this passage refers to the fourth rider only, or to the four riders as a whole. To me it sounds like the fourth rider only.

My friend sees Trump as currently playing out the Christ Crucifixion myth and trying to harness that big energy pool for a kind of rebirth. I am kind of thinking some powers are trying to play out the Aquarian Apocalypse now as well. Im sure there are many myths behind played out as ritual.

Basically they would want to play out Death, the 4th horse(man). I guess that is plague - pandemic -corona virus. Or its the combination of all of them. Start a pandemic, lock us down to destroy the economy and start a famine (leads to zombies/cannibalism), which will lead to war and conquest. Not sure about the beasts of the earth part. Of course all of this adds up to depopulation lol

[Tangri]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

What decisions do you think would help, Bill?

I feel, Bill is ready to change side

[bettye198]

Came across this video from Dr. Lorraine Day MD that had me gasping and I thought I heard plenty before. She was/is a UC San Francisco orthopedic trauma doctor and was around during the HIV/Aids epidemic in SF. She has a lot to say, glean what you can because it is evident she is a born again Bible reader and adds some of that in the video but focus on what she says about the covid testing. Oh boy. https://iconnectfx.com/view/eee3a2c3-9433-eb11-9979-00505682f257

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Ok sorry guys, I will use the youtube link and try again.

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Hope the third try is a charm.
https://iconnectfx.com/view/eee3a2c3-9433-eb11-9979-00505682f257

[GloriaP]

David Icke talks about how there's something in the vaccines that causes sterility. I think it's definitely part of their plan, along with agents that will kill a lot of people and track the rest who are left.

[Bill Ryan]

There's been comparatively little posted about this on the forum, but it seems self-evident to me that there has to be a serious plan in place to reduce the global population considerably. We're almost at that point now where communications, farming, manufacturing, transport and sales can all be highly automated. (5G is probably part of that plan.) The analogy is like downsizing the workforce of a factory by 90%, now that there are automated production lines.



For me, the question has to be about how they're going to [try to] accomplish that. I don't know the answer. But it seems to me there are three possibilities:
— The release of another much more serious virus, like smallpox or ebola. (They're real, too.)
— Global famine and the collapse of all supply chains and infrastructure.
— (a wild card candidate, but not impossible) Something in the Covid vaccines that produces sterility.


I wrote the above to start this thread, my red emphasis added. The notion was entirely my own wild card suggestion. I had no idea that less than a couple weeks later, there'd be extensive informed discussion about the effect of the Covid-19 vaccine on fertility. I'm now taking the notion much more seriously.

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

What decisions do you think would help, Bill?

I feel, Bill is ready to change sideWell, what you "feel" is wrong. :) I'm making an obvious, Emperor's New Clothes statement that population growth can't continue forever.

I'd assert that should be self-evident to anyone with intelligence. (We're not going to be able to terraform, colonize and emigrate to other planets before things get out of control here.)

Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?

So Tangri, if you see this, tell me the line you draw where YOU would say the population is too high.

The point is the following. (Maybe I didn't explain it well enough before.)


Human population growth can't continue indefinitely.
Therefore something will stop that from happening.
That "something" might be a "natural" process (famine, societal collapse leading to global war, or a serious pandemic). None of those are likely to be a lot of fun. The alternative is to find some way of limiting population growth — sometime — that's ethical, equitable, and workable.

[Gwin Ru]

...
... that "something" might just be good, truthfull, honest education adapted to the peculiarity of local challenges...
Dirty Methods are Not Needed for Population Control (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42567-We-Need-to-Depopulate-the-Earth&p=452330&viewfull=1#post452330)

[Ernie Nemeth]

There has been no explanation for the explosive growth in population that covers all the angles. Growth was a slow linear movement, with fits and starts along the way. In 1850 there was the first billion mark. By 1950, two billion. In the last 70 years it has exploded!

I think we've got visitors here that have not much to do with this stock of humanity. They might be our ancestors from long ago but they are arriving here now in droves. After having infiltrated our world and its power structures for over the last hundred years they would like to run things now. I believe they are behind the globalist push. They come from space where they did not have the convenience to separate and create competing ideologies; they became homogeneous, androgynous by necessity. It is distasteful to them, all these different races. They wish to teach us to accept that there is strength through diversity, so they can divide and conquer us because diverse peoples in close proximity leads to conflict.

No real proof other than the increase in UFO sightings in that period and the strange story of the accidental invention of the semi-conductor by that IBM researcher in '47 that lead to the transistor (rumored to have involved retro-engineering of a crashed UFO). Everything changed after that, including a 5 billion explosion in extra humans. There was no reason for that discovery, no reason to consider a build-up of electrons along an insulating boundary would lead to a cascade effect relating to a concept called the 'hole', the absence of a negative charge. That the absence of charge would change the state of a material could not have been anticipated without that accidental discovery.

(can't find the name of that famous scientist, recall not working, odd it has been buried by google, Shockley is their pick, maybe that's it)[the more I look into it the more fishy it becomes, the history has been rewritten to look as though it was a smooth increase in knowledge based on previous work, starting with Faraday, that is revisionist and inaccurate]

my working theory, subject to change

[Merlinus]

Entirely possible, this corona virus is part of this plan, I've heard talk of the corona vaccine makes women infertile.

Entirely possible.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Did anyone ever read the sci-fi novel called "The Children of Men"?
Chilling, but sadly also quite prescient in many ways.

from wikipedia:
"The Children of Men is a dystopian novel by English writer P. D. James, published in 1992. Set in England in 2021, it centres on the results of mass infertility. James describes a United Kingdom that is steadily depopulating and focuses on a small group of resisters who do not share the disillusionment of the masses.

The book received very positive reviews from many critics such as Caryn James of The New York Times, who called it "wonderfully rich" and "a trenchant analysis of politics and power that speaks urgently".[1] The academic Alan Jacobs said, "Of all James’ novels, The Children of Men is probably the most pointed in its social criticism, certainly the deepest in its theological reflection."

"The novel opens with the first entry in Theo's diary. It is the year 2021, but the novel's events have their origin in 1995, which is referred to as "Year Omega". In 1994, the sperm count of human males plummeted to zero, a feminist civil war broke out, and mankind now faces imminent extinction. The last people to be born are now called "Omegas". "A race apart", they enjoy various prerogatives."
read more, particularly the bullet points of this book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Children_of_Men)

[ErtheVessel]

Sue, I did read Children of Men. It made quite an impression on me. Written by P.D. James (as you mentioned), it was the only "science fiction" she ever wrote. She was a very prolific writer, but all her other books were mysteries. Interesting to me that she felt the need to write this stand alone dystopian book. It was made into a movie in 2006, I think. I didn't see it so I can't comment on whether or not it accurately followed her plot line.

It's strange to me that "they" have waited this long to address the "overpopulation" issue. The book The Population Bomb was published in 1968, which was an extremely alarmist view of the toxic impact of too many humans on the planet. In my area of the US that book really had an impact on social mores and there was significant social pressure to limit the size of one's family to two children, and, probably for the first time in history, you were considered noble if you didn't have any children at all.

Then gradually, perhaps over ten years, the social pressure disappeared and it became politically incorrect to even mention the word overpopulation. The population of the world has more than doubled since that time. If they want to cull us, why did they let the population double in fifty years?

[Harmony]

Here is the video trailer 'Children Of Men'. I have not read the book, but I did see the movie.

There is violence in parts of the film as it takes place in times of world chaos. It is one of those movies you never forget and I think well worth watching.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/children_of_men




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CdJYhtjEns

[Bill Ryan]

There has been no explanation for the explosive growth in population that covers all the angles. Growth was a slow linear movement, with fits and starts along the way. In 1850 there was the first billion mark. By 1950, two billion. In the last 70 years it has exploded!Yes. For a long time, it looked linear, but it's not. It's a classic exponential curve. Here it is:

http://cnx.org/resources/87c6cf793bb30e49f14bef6c63c51573/Figure_45_05_01.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

We are NOT "overpopulated" (http://tinyurl.com/We-Are-Not-Overpopulated) for so many reasons ... (international) mismanagement is one of them!

[Bill Ryan]

We are NOT "overpopulated" (http://tinyurl.com/We-Are-Not-Overpopulated) for so many reasons ... (international) mismanagement is one of them!

Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.


I'm making an obvious, Emperor's New Clothes statement that population growth can't continue forever.

I'd assert that should be self-evident to anyone with intelligence. (We're not going to be able to terraform, colonize and emigrate to other planets before things get out of control here.)

Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?



Here's the question to anyone reading this — originally addressed to Tangri:


What do you think the limit is?

There a subtlety here. This is a very emotionally-laden issue. We have to think clearly, if we can.

Nothing I'm saying means that people have to be genocided, killed off, murdered, sterilized without their consent, or anything else that everyone reading this would agree would be immoral, unethical, or maybe just plain evil.

I'm just saying there's a problem. If not today, then definitely sometime later.

Look at the graph I posted for Ernie a couple of posts above. Where does that lead??

You linked to the very interesting "Mouse Utopia": The Blackest Pill (James Corbett on the dangers of human overcrowding) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113193-Mouse-Utopia-The-Blackest-Pill--James-Corbett-on-the-dangers-of-human-overcrowding-) thread.

James Corbett's sarcasm sometimes borders on being unpleasant to listen to, and his video is heavily pointed and emotionally-persuasive — in itself a mark of propaganda. (Though Corbett would say it's positive propaganda, and he clearly cares deeply about the issue, imploring his followers not to buy into what he argues is hype.)

It's not all that easy for most people to differentiate between the the facts he claims to report, and the way in which he presents his thesis.

Overpopulation is a problem. It's so obvious. But as with David Icke's famous (and correct) Problem-Reaction-Solution thesis, the solutions we're presented with (whether we know they're being deployed or not) may not be the best ones, and may not be in our best interests. (English understatements intended. :) ).

I don't trust the global controllers one tiny bit. Not for a second. But — overpopulation is still a problem. Just because the proposed solutions are unacceptable, that doesn't mean there's not an issue.

[DeDukshyn]

...
Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.


...

Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?




Way back when I was in college, I was studying non-linear equations and came across one that reflected population curves. It was a bit simplistic, with only a few base inputs (maybe 5 or 6 - it was long ago), but it was astonishingly accurate for almost any species. Out of curiosity, I ran humans on earth through the equation and I received an output that (IIRC) peaked at around 13 billion and then came down and settled at 11 billion. The delta between the peak and the settled number indicates overpopulation correcting itself naturally. In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.

I personally believe 11 billion is well sustainable, but we need a massive shift away from consumerism and extreme capitalism as we know it. I know many people don't want to hear that - they don't want change, which is ubiquitous; as a manager, the biggest thing I had to learn to manage was people's resistance to change - even if the change was demonstrably for the better.

I'm not advocating communism, as that system with its top down control structure also is not the answer.

[Bill Ryan]

...
Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.


...

Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?




Way back when I was in college, I was studying non-linear equations and came across one that reflected population curves. It was a bit simplistic, with only a few base inputs (maybe 5 or 6 - it was long ago), but it was astonishingly accurate for almost any species. Out of curiosity, I ran humans on earth through the equation and I received an output that (IIRC) peaked at around 13 billion and then came down and settled at 11 billion. The delta between the peak and the settled number indicates overpopulation correcting itself naturally. In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.

I personally believe 11 billion is well sustainable, but we need a massive shift away from consumerism and extreme capitalism as we know it. I know many people don't want to hear that - they don't want change, which is ubiquitous; as a manager, the biggest thing I had to learn to manage was people's resistance to change - even if the change was demonstrably for the better.

I'm not advocating communism, as that system with its top down control structure also is not the answer.Yes, thanks. :highfive: The real issue may be
In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.That's NOT the way we want to achieve stability. It'd involve an unimaginable amount of suffering. (With humans, "predatory species" = viruses and bacteria, very real and serious ones.)

Somehow, we need to head that off at the pass, and do it in a way where the entire human population is on board with the plan, fully understands the issues, and there's no covert, Machiavellian high-level strategy to cull humanity by actually killing or sterilizing people without their knowledge or consent.

No way can that be easy, but it has to be possible. One problem, of course, is disease and poverty — as in Africa and India — because large families are seen as a remedy for that. So it's very likely than in any equitable and ethical solution, that has to be addressed first. And again, that's extremely hard to do.

Here's another Emperor's New Clothes observation. Our entire world is in a huge mess — almost broken (if you see it all from a high-altitude viewpoint). That's probably what the ETs think, and that's not meant as a joke.

The "Great Reset" is no solution, but that doesn't mean there are no possible solutions available. And to seek solutions, one first has to look at the problem with eyes wide open. Very few may be doing that.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Somehow, we need to head that off at the pass, and do it in a way where the entire human population is on board with the plan, fully understands the issues, and there's no covert, Machiavellian high-level strategy to cull humanity by actually killing or sterilizing people without their knowledge or consent.



TPTB appear to be very knowledgeable in the methods of behavioral change. Look how they have easily created masking and distancing in entire populations! Also look how easily they have created wrath and division and perversions.

If we could just start with a humane plan and implement that strongly through the media, entertainment industries, etc., I truly believe the population would willingly and even eagerly start to change their habits as directed.

"They" need to tell us what to do. How to start. Bandwagons and shunning are powerful motivators, as has been demonstrated, but so too is the perception of actually making a difference. I think if a perception was instilled by the "influencers", along that direction, it would be followed enthusiastically.

Just 2 examples that pop to mind are the Victory Gardens and the war effort campaign for women to step in. (Rosie the Riveter) Folks felt good about doing these things.

People really do want to help in their own small ways.
Humane direction would be a good start.
Publicize the problem heavily.
Treat all with dignity, and ask us all to help and pitch in.
I think that would result in fairly immediate results.
Maybe the problem is how TPTB view the rest of humanity?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I contend, that like the election laws being contested in the USA and the entrenched corruption throughout the halls of power, it is the manipulation of the monetary system that exacerbates the situation. The problems in this world are multi-pronged but they stem from systemic corruption of all our institutions. Moreover, not only is there systemic corruption but the captains of industry, along with influential players in government and media and banking, conspire together in closed door yearly meetings. It is at those meetings that this handful of people, numbering a few thousand, collude to implement their agenda, without the consent or knowledge of the citizens of the world.

That has to stop because it is treason to all their respective nations.

The for-profit industries that we rely on must not be dominated by the savvy and cunning from wall street and industry. Areas such as housing, health care, education cannot be allowed to be dominated by those who wish to become rich. These are the essentials of life, the bare necessities, they cannot be leveraged for gain.

But the most important thing is energy, it always has been. We must expend public resources in an effort to discover a new source of energy. Without it we are playing a zero sum game. Everything else takes a back seat to this consideration. With a new source of energy conducive and flexible enough for our modern age most of our problems would find easy solutions.

But before that can happen, we all must understand the nature of the world we live in today. It is rife with systemic corruption through and through. As this corrupt system is exposed, assuming there is no higher, off-world connection to this saga, the masses will be educated about so many things. Only after all of the revelations can the groundswell begin in earnest.

Until then the best we can do is lay the groundwork for that eventual day.

[araucaria]

I have quoted Mark Buchanan’s Ubiquity, The Science of History… or Why the World is Simpler Than We Think on a number of occasions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91117-Elon-Musk-Nails-it-We-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation&p=1072702&viewfull=1#post1072702). It is based on the fact that you can pile up grains of sand or other particles up to a point when a landslide, small or large, will occur to establish a new equilibrium.

If we apply this process to the issue of overpopulation, then we are dealing with a catastrophe that has long been imminent, having been announced for four centuries (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission&p=1094385&viewfull=1#post1094385), but so far has failed to materialize. The earth’s population has more than tripled just in my lifetime, yet in the 17th century, some people were having a problem. How have we come to nearly 8 billion and counting? Because circumstances have changed, or rather our perceptions have changed. The world has got bigger; the western world largely stopped growing, while the east has grown to similar levels on a larger scale. Like other empires before it, America has become small on the world stage. This is the underlying reason for perceived overpopulation at this point in time: China has grown so much bigger.

[Tintin]

Here's a slightly abridged snippet from a conversation I had with Bill in the chatroom earlier:

Bill I'm just pro-Gaia. I'd love to see a spiritually and technologically advanced human population which is far smaller, living in balance with nature. I just don't want 6 or 7 billion people to be murdered.

Tintin Today at 13:10

Um, over-population. This whole premise never seems to take into account the incarnation or re-incarnation of souls. Without that being factored in it's almost a non-topic, or perhaps better stated, a discussion that can't really get going without that being on the table.

From a practical and ecological perspective we have been needing to do things radically differently for EVER to include utilising and practising more rigourously free-energy models for power and a heightened psychic sense for communication. And most certainly to stop over producing. Over-production is the problem, not that there are too many people.

But I'm open to being persuaded otherwise.

And, no, murdering (or sacrificing to nefarious demonic entities) several billion people isn't the way to go. And it's extraordinarily unlikely that north of 7 billion souls have opted to be sacrificed. That, if true, would 'jump the shark' for me. Just not plausible.

Bill Today at 13:19

I'd say the overall problem (resulting in just about everything else which is a problem) is that we've become disconnected from nature. It's another indicator of a degenerating, degrading global culture.

In Ecuador, like the Native Americans in North America several hundred years ago, the Incas lived in perfect balance. Now, I go for a hike past two or three smallholding farmers just for half an hour and I come back every time with bits of plastic trash and a soda bottle or two which I collect to be recycled. The locals don't care at all, or notice at all.

They can't see it (and there's not a lot of it) — but it's there, hidden in the ditches and hedges, all the time unless I pick it up. That's what's changed, all over the world.

Tintin Today at 13:23

...and it's incredibly awful. It's totally a removal from that [nature] balance - a spiritual illness that seems to have been either embraced whole-heartedly or foisted very cunningly (perhaps both) on the human population. That's a, or maybe even THE pandemic.

Bill Today at 13:24

Yes, absolutely :handshake2:
Very few people can see it. Not the whole thing.

Tintin Today at 13:32

It's an experiment that must be being undertaken right now by White Hat elements: what if by concentrating those psychic dark spirit removal techniques on those who are wielding too much influence and power in the world, and they can be successfully removed (evil spirits quarantined) then, BOOM, we might have solved this practically (literally practically) and spiritually almost overnight.

That to me seems to be perhaps the starting point to begin a different type of reset from the one being put into play right now.

And perhaps the only way to get the ball rolling back towards that balance [with nature]. So, my argument may rest as well on there being an over-population of negative spiritual entities and NOT an over-population of vessels/people.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I do not think there is an upper limit to the carrying capacity of a planet. Not when science and technology are considered. But the trajectory of this world is another matter altogether. That is because we do not use our science properly and we exploit our technology for monetary gain. We call it capitalism but that is not what it is in this world.

In this world it is about capturing resources, and holding them for ransom. It is also about leveraging positions and monopolizing sectors of the economy. It is also about hoarding information and securing ownership of intellectual property, and destroying competition.

This world separated wealth from value and substituted work for living. We call it working for a living, that is what it might once have been...now it is actually merely living to work.

We have created an atmosphere of animosity and a stratified method of success based on criteria not conducive to the whole. And we act as though there are many minds and independent thought some are blessed to capitalize on, while most others are doomed to be capitalized (exploited) by.

We do not understand the nature of our collective.

In such a scenario as we are now experiencing, yes, there is a limit. The limit is not because of the planet, the number of people or science. It is this system of exploitation that squanders the most important of humanity's resources, the individual.

It is a well known fact, for example, that small business, driven by the entrepreneur, creates the most new jobs by far. Yet our system discourages new business and the playing field is slanted greatly against them.

This is the same for the poor who, in this world, are penalized for their state of poverty. They pay a premium for services that others with greater incomes enjoy at a discount and sometimes even for free. This is the squandering of the human resource and is why this system has an upper limit.


To reverse the trajectory of this system it is imperative to free the vast majority of citizens, empower them in a system that focuses on living and not working, and one that recognizes the wealth inherent in the diversity of the human family - and their capacity for innovation. Throttle the vast majority, force them by rote from birth to death to work long hours for little pay wastes that capacity.

The capacity of this catastrophically flawed system is probably around ten billion, if a number must be stated.

But considering how it could be, there is no upper limit because humanity will always 'McGiver' a fix if the system allows it to manifest - ours does not.

[Brenya]

I haven't been able to understand the benefit of the depopulation for the cabal. It seems to be that humanity is a lot more valuable in big numbers. The reason is that whatever low 4d entities are controlling the planet the past millenia, do not care about money or material productions. That is a goal of human ambition and selfishness which is much lower in their power hierarchy.

It's all about feeding off the energy of humans, through lower emotions like fear, anger, hate, guilt, jealousy etc., pretty much anything the ego thrives on. When someone feels all those things, he/she radiates that energy. Where do you think it is going? Someone "eats" it to put it blatantly. The same way we hurt, kill each other and animals. It gives that temporary feeling of completeness, until the ego wakes up hungry again to repeat the process.

That's why the whole societal system is based on fear mongering, trying to make humans always feel limited and incomplete. That's why there are ritualistic events that create mass fear and desperation (9/11, Covid, death of certain celebrities etc.). It's like a feast for them.

Why would they want to depopulate humanity? The more "food" they have, the more chaos, the better for them.


Good points!

It seems to me that both the virus and the vaccine play a role in depopulation. The virus isn't doing much to damage children but it is hitting those with comorbidities, such as diabetes, heart disease, and immune-challenged disorders, so it's taking out the people who are the biggest financial drag on society. We always knew the Baby Boomers would create a financial drag when they retired en masse, so this virus could conceivably be designed to correct some of that drag. That is if it was created in a lab via gain of function (GoF) research, which (in my opinion) it was.

Enter the vaccine, which we're hearing may result in temporary infertility. That will result in a population decline, but they don't just want the population, in general, to decline -- they want specific groups to breed less, most notably blacks. Again, just my opinion, but from the start of the virus, we heard how it targeted blacks, and now, we're hearing--because of that---blacks should be prioritized for the vaccine.

It's almost as though the past few years of trying to make everyone believe systemic racism was afoot was in preparation to put blacks first when vaccinating. I hate to think that, but it seems to be possible.

So, they don't want to reduce the population of all groups, but they are targeting the "undesirables" in our society, the aged, the weak, and certain races.

[Journeyman]

45600

I've been reading a fascinating, if chilliing site recently (https://amallulla.org/). The work of a former Christian Scientist, the author claims TPTB aka The Progeny of Jove, are working towards surviving an impending planetary cataclysm. One part of that plan has been allowing a population explosion in order to harvest the resulting leap in knowledge creation via the internet. However, once that harvest has been reaped, they don't want any of us to survive into the new order they will establish after they emerge from the caverns they prepared in Colorado.

So there's artful distribution of spent nuclear waste, pandemics,

https://amallulla.org/depopulation/

Copy and paste is disabled so I can't quote directly. Taster attached, but there's a lot of interesting work on the website which involves decoding the Georgia Guidestones, the recent Disney 'Tomorrowland' movie and an alternative take on history and religion spanning thousands of years.

Its not a cheery read mind!

[Cosmored]

If you don't have time to watch this whole video, watch it from the 16:00 time mark to the 16:45 time mark. This doctor says that the few people who get very sick with covid mostly have low levels of vitamin D. She also seems to think they want to use the vaccine to kill us to lower the population of the world.


Watch it fast. I clicked on one video here and a note came up that said, "This video doesn't exist".

Dr Lee Merrit Interview
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dr+Lee+Merrit+Interview&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBVDMH

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dr+Lee+Merrit+Interview&&view=detail&mid=14DAE4244EF3867D818114DAE4244EF3867D8181&&FORM=VRDGAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mPIomjWwd4

https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/respected-doctor-who-studied-bioweapons-believes-covid-19-jabs-are-a-form-of-weaponized-medicine.html

[Sérénité]

Somehow, we need to head that off at the pass, and do it in a way where the entire human population is on board with the plan, fully understands the issues, and there's no covert, Machiavellian high-level strategy to cull humanity by actually killing or sterilizing people without their knowledge or consent.



TPTB appear to be very knowledgeable in the methods of behavioral change. Look how they have easily created masking and distancing in entire populations! Also look how easily they have created wrath and division and perversions.

If we could just start with a humane plan and implement that strongly through the media, entertainment industries, etc., I truly believe the population would willingly and even eagerly start to change their habits as directed.

"They" need to tell us what to do. How to start. Bandwagons and shunning are powerful motivators, as has been demonstrated, but so too is the perception of actually making a difference. I think if a perception was instilled by the "influencers", along that direction, it would be followed enthusiastically.

Just 2 examples that pop to mind are the Victory Gardens and the war effort campaign for women to step in. (Rosie the Riveter) Folks felt good about doing these things.

People really do want to help in their own small ways.
Humane direction would be a good start.
Publicize the problem heavily.
Treat all with dignity, and ask us all to help and pitch in.
I think that would result in fairly immediate results.
Maybe the problem is how TPTB view the rest of humanity?

Yes 🙌🏼
I fear they view the rest of humanity as easily expendable and irrelevant. They seem to forget we’re all caretakers of the planet and nobody gave them the sole rights to say what happens and how to go about it. And we all need to stand up and remind them of that fact, but also stand up and admit the changes start with ourselves and how we’re living and how totally unsustainable it actually is.

And this is where it’s going wrong, the few are deciding for the majority without even bothering to ask us to get involved.
I’m pretty sure we would do amazing things if all 7.8 billion of us was given the opportunity to have a collective voice and save the world together.

Instead where fooled into voting for the left or right wing of the same demonic bird and treated like idiots.
They treat us like idiots so we act accordingly.
We have lost the ability to live in a way that’s true to our natures. Maybe because corporate greed has pushed us into an endless cycle of greed and waste and destruction.

It’s them that have created the monster humanity has become but now they want to destroy it.

I think they’ve seen the virus card has played out well for them so far, my bets are on this carrying on indefinitely or letting us just get enough of our freedoms back eventually before Covids cousin rolling into town.

I seen this recently and thought is this next up? See how far they can roll out the Great Reset with this current show and if not, next up...

SPARS 2025-

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/the-spars-pandemic-2025-2028-a-futuristic-scenario-to-facilitate-medical-countermeasure-communication

[roguemoon]

hope this isn't in the wrong thread and i apologise if its featured elsewhere on this forum,

This letter from “Jacob R” appeared on Rixon Stewart’s The Truthseeker.co.uk Sept 1, 2020 in response to my (Henry Makow) article, “Is there any limit to US debt?”
Since the email was traced to an IP address in Surrey B.C. However, IMO, this is a sleight of a hand. They changed the address. In my opinion, this is Jacob Rothschild lifting the veil.
Ignore at your own expense.
Jacob R on August 31st 2020 4.51 pm
Dear Henry, you really do go too far when you say things like,
“The criminal cabal in charge has been producing this “money” and stuffing its pockets and those of its friends. Is there any limit to the amount they will produce? If the “debt” doubled to $70 trillion, would it make any difference?”

You cannot say our cartel or cabal is “criminal”.
Don’t you see we actually own all of the law makers, and besides whatever we do is quite above any of the laws which apply to the common people.

As for stuffing our pockets, the families which make up our network of central banks throughout the world are in fact the main power brokers in the world.
That is our right.
Your governments demand every year more than they can afford with one deficit budget after another, always saying that this or that is necessary. By indulging them we simply acquire more power and control. It is called “ownership”.

What are we to do, give them our own gold or assests in their borrowing process and never see it again? That is one of the reasons why we have fiat money. It can be made out of nothing and we can make as much as your governments want, so long as they do not spend it on things against our interests or endeavors too far out of our control. Also, we do not simply “give” it too them or there would be hyperinflation all of the time and no confidence in any fiat currency. Rather we “lend” it to them such that if we ever called in all the loans it would bankrupt every government which has been borrowing for years from our banks. Furthermore, we are able to charge interest on what we lend, which usually sustains the value of our own holdings in compensation for the masses getting all of their free stuff, for so many generations and not paying us back for the exercise of our god-like powers in being able to create something out of nothing.

You have to realize that with the development of our central banking systems all over the world, and particularly through global development lending and our investments in places like China, the economy of the world has grown exponentially over the last 100 years. Presently, the US dollar cannot serve the global needs and is being phased out not with a whimper but with the bang of a mushroom cloud in the creation of unlimited trillions. For decades we tried to hide what is now called “the shadow economy” where we worked with the US Fed to create vast amounts of cash out of nothing, to facilitate both business and political interests particularly in developing and other irascible nations around the world. It made little difference to inflation, as the money seldom made it back to the US or to Europe and it usually came back to our banks anyway.

Since 9/11 when the loss of some of those trillions were being investigated, we have been more open as to the importance of always having enough money on hand to do whatever we want, and quite frankly even if we were to make the US dollar debt to us $70 trillion as you say, what we have found is that people around the world, despite complaining about our alleged abuses of power, still keep demanding the stuff. It is very similar to the heroin industry, which grew out of our venture in China in the 19th century during the opium trade, the more you produce the more people get addicted to the stuff. With our latest batch of 6 trillion, everyone holding dollars, wants their value to be retained, yet in places like China, India, and Russia what they complain about is the unfair power the US is able to wield around the world by being able to draw so much money from our banks and spend it the way they do, particularly on their military and as a political weapon to serve their interests and those of our families.

In this respect, these nations fortunately do not excessively complain against our families controlling the money supply, but rather they tend to focus on the various favoured governments which appear to direct the government spending and allocations. They complain mainly against the US and for the most part just about every other nation in the world has agreed to take that power from the US, and allow our central banks to create a new world currency, and to be their banker. It will require, however, a central government to allocate the expenditures when the borrowing from us will be necessary, and of course to enforce trade with this currency on a global scale that central government will need independent military backing. For a good number of decades now the governments of over 190 nations have agreed with this direction and the necessity of there being a one-world government to ensure the necessary financial stability. They are all nations which are part of our web which either have a firmly established central bank in our control or are completely indebted to us for all of our loans from institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank.

The engineering of these new arrangements, which some refer to as the New World Order, however, could not be accomplished by a fiat like we create money. Various nations competing with one another for resources or territories, will not agree just to a global currency, or a global banking system akin to the US Fed, without a central global government for financial enforcement of trade and regulation, and even if they do not agree to a world government, quite frankly places like China and Russia will only continue to feel the abuse of our powers being exercised by favoured nations like the US, the UK and Israel.

Then apart from differences between the various governments who are in our direct or indirect control, there are the masses of ordinary people in the world who still believe they have a say in such affairs, which are in fact many steps removed from them. Such a world government which our families have envisioned, will have to give them something in exchange for giving up their local and national controls over trade and commerce. In this respect we have exercised our powers of creating hundreds of billions mainly of fiat-created dollars and “loans” to fund not only the UN but also all of its Agendas, to provide a credible, urgent and existential justifications for the necessity of a one-world government.

To supplant many of alleged “sovereign” of nations particularly in the West, it has been necessary for us to be very generous allowing the borrowing and indebtedness to us to become virtually astronomical. As the governments of the nations have become subservient to us so also are the people of those nations. Whether our sustainability measures are actually necessary or not to cure the problems, like global warming or inequality, which issues our NGO’s, government agencies, media and corporate minions have developed and featured in their various campaigns, what really matters most to us is that there is some real substance to there being a one-world government. We need all the support we can garner through our efforts to convince people everywhere of the “necessity” of a one-world government.

Alternatively, if the people reject our proposal most of the governments in the West are at the mercy of us calling in our loans and bankrupting them, whereas the other nations in which we have less control are at our mercy and discretion of continuing in the present system with the dominance of the US and the very precarious US dollar which in any case has had its day, in our view.

Of course the Covid pandemic is a plandemic, and we, through our various think tanks and networks, have meticulously planned it over decades. In order for all of the major changes we have planned, including the big one for us of our global bank and one-world currency, the people have to become totally subservient. This is much more difficult to achieve in nations where the people think they have a semblance of freedom, and that is why the governments in these nations have been so extreme with the fear and control tactics we have ordained.

It has been mainly the economic independence of most of the common people which makes them so unruly in these nations, and likely apt to opt to support the sovereignty of their own nations and local control, which is the main obstacle to our plans, and precisely why the severe economic restraints have been necessary under the guise of the pandemic.

If the people do not comply, undoubtedly a second wave will come their way, and with that food shortages, and complete government domination in order to usher in all of our proposed changes.

One of our most trusted agents who can see the light for a much brighter future, Karl Schwab of the World Economic Forum, has invited more people waking up to the facts of our virtually compete monetary control, to join in with the Great Reset, and to welcome in our New World Order, and our continued running of the world, but on a much vaster, greener, smarter, more equal and more centrally-controlled scale, mainly by our families which have served you so well all throughout the 20th century until now.

[Bubu]

Hello Bill,

"I'm just saying there's a problem. If not today, then definitely sometime later"
So lets say you have a sack of rice. The problem is that you eat everyday and sooner or later your rice will ran out. Because of that what you wanted to do is stop eating so that your rice wont ran out. What I would do if i am in your shoes is to look for rice now while there is stock and I have time to. The equivalent to population growth and since you asked "what decisions should be made"? Find ways to grow more food in a small space in a shorter period. Look for more living space and growing areas. underground, under the sea in the air. And what's wonderful with more people is that there are more heads to think of new ways. One head coming up with one brilliant idea a huge number of hands putting it into action.

[Ratszinger]

The idea we are overpopulated or that the earth can't provide for than 500,000 is bogus, and not just narrow minded but when pushed by those wanting it with the money to make it happen it becomes criminal in my opinion!

[Gwin Ru]

...

... time for a memory refresh:


[Posted by Hervé (here) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=452330#post452330)]

Below, you will find Sue Arrigo's workable, and proven so, solution to the intended and created problem of "world overpopulation."

Sue Arrigo is a strange character who developed an incredible strength in spite of her MKultra/Monarch programming which landed her to be D. Rockefeller's personal sex slave; the later loaning her at $ 1 million a night... most people who forked out such an amount did it not for the one night stand but for Sue's highest gift and skill as the CIA's unchallenged highest accuracy score remote viewer and expected manifold returns on their "investment" in her investigation of various timelines for various business ventures.... Most probably the reason she might still be alive (last heard of her was 2009).

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Dirty Methods are Not Needed for Population Control

emanzipationhumanum.de/ english/human/all.html

Because the Cabal’s rationale for war. famine, and destruction has been population control, I had the CIA study my clean methods for population control. Those studies proved that the Cabal’s methods were ineffective by comparison; wars and even famines did not result in long term decreases in population. They were short term measures that worsened population growth rates right afterwards. It was like cutting up starfish to get rid of them, the process of cutting them stimulated their re-growth. Fear, anxiety, insecurity, and poverty, cause people to want more children and produce them. Wars and trauma, and food scarcities, are like pruning rose brushes--one gets more flowers and more seeds. The CIA’s own internal studies make that quite clear. In the 1900’s there were two world wars and many lesser wars. The result of all that war, famine, and suffering was that there were more people in 2000 on the planet than in 1900. That is a failed strategy, even if we believed the goal to be a valid one.

The so-called clean development methods discussed in the above article about the Kissinger-Haig plan, were neither clean, nor intended to cause the Third World to become developed into First World nations. The leaders like Kissinger did not want Third World producers of raw materials to be First World like consumers of resources. They believed in a world of limitation and want, in which in order to have as much as they wanted, others would have to go without. They have a zero-sum idea of the world in which they believe that causing the people in the Third World to go without will result in their happiness. Nothing could be further from the truth. Their analysis was wrong, completely wrong. The easiest way to understand that is to look at a marriage, because that is something that we have an understanding of from our personal observations over time. Beating up the wife, withholding love and refusing to share with her equitably, causes the relationship to deteriorate. It still produces many children. On the other hand, treating her as an equal and assisting her out of love to achieve the goals that she freely sets, leads to a happier home in which their are naturally fewer children. In many cases, well-satisfied women busy doing what they love, produce no children at all. People with high education and career productivity have low birthrates. One doesn’t have to force women to work, doing so doesn’t lead to a decrease in population. It is love, care, and opportunities that give women the satisfaction needed to produce well without over-multiplying. The so-called development programs that the US tried to foist upon the Third World were like a husband holding his hand over a wife’s head about to beat her, but not doing so at the moment. The underlying goal of those development programs was to force Third World countries to give up their resources at slave labor prices. There was no respect, care, or love involved, and the result was like a tyrannical marriage with an overproliferation of children, bickering, and problems.

During the course of several decades from about 1985 to 2004, the CIA did three major studies on my clean methods to control population, and about a dozen minor ones. They did so many studies because they could not figure out how I managed to get such good results. Also, they hoped to prove me wrong in the end, as they had an addiction to using dirty methods and wanted justification to continue using them. They had a commitment to violence, hoarding, and selfishness that they were not willing to allow reason, truth, and data to bring it into question. As a result they kept on banning my research results within the CIA and forcing me to reproduce them in further studies. Thus I ended up doing such studies long after analysts in the CIA’s Intelligence Dept. conceded that I was right and that my methods did work well. Of course, you should not take my word for it but obtain copies of those studies and the full complement of their reviews.

Although the studies are complex and I don’t have the data in front of me, I want to mention them because it is relevant to whether it was right for Bush, Sr. to sell the bio-warfare agents to Hussein. I had finished the first major study prior to that sale and it angered me that the old view that depopulation by killing still appeared to be standard operating proceeds at the White House. It is not that Bush, Sr. was ignorant of that study of mine. When I spoke to him on the phone about wanting to come over to inform him and others of the dangers of the Bio-warfare agents, he said something like “Is this about your wanting to do depopulation your way?” When I said, in effect, “Yes.” He specifically forbid me from speaking about that study when I came to the White House the next day. He appeared, in my opinion, to want to keep the results of that study secret from his cabinet ministers and advisors. My methods would not have made kickbacks for anyone, nor ranked up any body count. The first major study done on my methods was a retrospective one. It was noticed by a CIA analyst that a village I had helped survive in Vietnam during that war, had a very low birth rate. It was an anomaly noticed on a study of Agent Orange birth defects. There were almost none to no birth defects in that village, and it was then asked, “Was that because there were not births at all in the next 10 years or so?” The answer was that there were births per the Vietnamese authorities that CIA analyst was working with, but not many. The Vietnamese authorities had tried to determine why and attributed it to the strange actions that I had taken in that village during the war. I had been sent in to do reconnaissance with a small team of men because the US Army hoped that my skills as a remote viewer would help us locate Stinger type missiles. The VC had been shooting down US choppers. We did find and destroy missiles to the extent that the chopper problem in that area was greatly alleviated for awhile.

I had spent about half a day in that village as I tried to locate the missiles. I did not conduct a search and destroy mission of that village. Instead of destruction and intimidation, I did careful listening and tried to solve some of the village’s many problems. One of the problems that they complained to me about was that the US military was frequently coming through their village and terrifying them. As I listened to their many complaints on that score, it occurred to me that there might be a way to help them. Their strategy up to that point had been to wait for it to happen and then scatter and hide in the surrounding mountains for weeks at a time until the US moved on. That strategy was not very successful. Their crops did not get the care they needed. Their livestock were unable to be moved quickly and got killed by the US troops and left to rot. Their rice and food stores were scattered all over the village trampled underfoot and moldy by the time they returned. Life was Hell for them, as a result of the American soldiers, not unlike Iraq these days. It seemed to them that nothing could ever change that. But it did not appear to me to be a hopeless problem because I had faith that the Lord could solve any problem fairly quickly and well. Thus, it did not surprise me when an answer occurred to me about an hour later. That answer was for them to post a watch on all the trails that lead into the village (something they had already done.) But to do so with a different intention. They were doing so then to alert the village to “run”. I suggested that they alert the village to host a party for whoever came. That is, they should not favor nor run from any group, but entertain and feed whoever came through. At first, they objected saying that they were poor people and could not afford to. I pointed out that they were losing all their food and livestock each time, and it would be better to serve even half of it, and keep the other half. They discussed it and decided to give it a try. I made some suggestions as to how to entertain soldiers without giving their young girls to them. They brainstormed came up with many creative ideas. That village became known for its great hospitality and talent. Neither side demolished it after that because they wanted to be able to have some rest there. It was a “fire free” zone in the midst of a war zone. I think the God blessed them with peace because of their generous hearts and actions. If they had worried about having enough, it never would have worked. Since they gave so freely, both sides left behind much food that was uncooked to reciprocate. It was a miracle that God kept going for years during the war. I had been there in about 1969. The CIA analysts confirmed by satellite images that the village had not been destroyed after that, even though the war raged all around them. The war did not end until 1975.

By the time the CIA studied it as anomaly in population growth, almost 15 years had passed. The population of the village had modestly decreased, while the villages nearby had very large numbers of children, were requiring cutting down of more jungle, and were very poor. It was not just that the village had had peace. That is not actually enough to reverse the overgrowth of population. It has to have spiritual contentment. Later studies elucidated that more clearly.

That first major study went beyond that one village to look at other places in the world that I had been on assignment. I got sent to war zones periodically, and CIA analysts had noticed that difficult to account for results followed. I was not responsible for those effects; I was just desperate enough to call on God with faith. The CIA analysts thus went back over the record of which villages I had been on assignment to and looked at birth rates before and after and in comparison to neighboring villages. I had not gone to those places with any intention to control population; I had in the course of my other duties for the CIA, tried to help them in whatever way seemed appropriate at the time. So, it was kind of a double blind study in that neither I nor the villages had any idea that the CIA would later study the result of going to sincerely and selflessly help. I was not leaving behind bags of Aide money, financial grants, or contracts with the CIA to help them later. I was enquiring after their needs as a concerned visitor and dispensing some practical advise grounded on good spiritual principles. The CIA analyst in question found a decrease in population and crowding where I had given such advice, and not when I was in too much of a hurry to give it. It was not that I was contaminated with poison or spreading poisons. The children were fewer but healthy overall. Frankly, the CIA was unable to account for the results, even after they carefully substantiated them. It especially troubled them, given how short I was in any village, that the effect seemed to be long lasting, That was not surprising to me, I had intended to give advice that would benefit them long term by changing their culture for the better. Careful application of almost any kind spiritual principle will do that. I looked to see the spiritual basis of their most pressing difficulty and tried to correct it with the simple advice I gave.

Perhaps more examples will make that clearer. This example came from a village in Europe where people were poor and oppressed by their government at the time. I was there to rescue some dissents and bring them back to the CIA. In the normal course of doing that I learned that their village had a problem with its water supply. The simple way to address it would have been to replace the pump. That was not the solution that I thought was most beneficial in the long run because it would be temporary and not correct a problem in social justice. One family, the one who had the pump house was using almost all the water to irrigate their fields, while other families got none for their fields. I suggested a different way for them to use the land so that a short trough from a local stream would irrigate all of their fields. It meant two things; the land would have to be swapped around and people would have to cooperate in building and maintaining the trough. Everyone would benefit each time anyone irrigated one field, all would get irrigated. That project created an enormous amount of good-will in the village because it was designed properly. The result was an increase yield per acre and a more forest was allowed to grow over unneeded farmland. The population shrank about 10%, not due to migration to cities, but due to contentment and fewer children.

Here is another example. In this village the primary problem was bickering and power struggles. The mayor had alienated many people by insisting that he alone made the rules. He was a mini dictator and thought that served his interests. But almost no one liked him as a result. People kow-towed to him and flattered him but he was lonely and unloved. My presence in his village had nothing to do with him from the CIA’s point of view. I was there to make contact with a man from another area and I had to wait for him to show up. So, I had listened to people’s stories intending to solve their most pressing problem. What I recommended was that the villagers shower the mayor with many small kindnesses, not false words, but treating him like a true friend. I made it into a game called, “If I was the lonely mayor, I would want_____”, and I asked the villagers to fill in the blank. They had a lot of fun with the game. They had never thought of him as a lonely man needing help. They had thought of him as a terrifying petty tyrant who had to be obeyed or else. They were unable to vote him out of office, they were in a one-party system and he had been appointed. As a result of this simple intervention, people started inviting him home to family dinners. He started to thaw and become a real person. As that happened the policies he created were more humane and fair and the village prospered. Surprisingly, this village, by the sheer grace of God, went from being one of the worst in the region to one of the best to live it. I do not mean materially, I mean spiritually. What I mean by that is that people were willing to listen to each other’s problems and help each other out. This was in a communist country. People were sharing material possessions, but frankly that did not help them so very much. Sharing of their hearts and helping from their hearts was what made the difference in terms to their contentment. The population of the village also went down, about 5% judged by births, not migration. Nearby villages had an increase in births consistent with their national average.

The long term effect of even short term love has been noticed before in sociology. In one of the Chicken Soup for the Soul books, there is a true story about disadvantaged minority students in Washington, DC schools. A sociology professors sent his graduate students in to assess elementary student’s chances of succeeding in life. The graduate students said things like “The kids haven’t got a chance, their parents are drug addicted, unemployed, illiterate, etc.”. Twenty or more years later another sociologist sent his grad students out to find out what actually happened to those kids. Much to their surprise, the kids turned out to be overachievers with many physicians, engineers, etc. among them. They were baffled. They studied the issue until they figured it out. The kids that succeeded so well had all gone through one particular teacher’s class. They tracked that teacher down in a nursing home where she was still alert. They asked her what she had done that made the difference. She said, “That’s easy. I loved those boys!”.

Studies of foster children have shown the same thing. If there was one person that believed in them, believed that they could grow up to be a good person contributing to the society, that was enough. Just one person, out of all the people that abused them and put them down. Just one person that loved, cared, and respected them—that was all that it took.

Now, that I have told you that, I can tell you another hard to believe story about those studies on population control. This was part of a population control study that was prospective in which the task was to decrease population growth. In this study, my methods were pitted against the usual CIA methods of war, famine, and destruction of the culture. I was told to “do my magic” on a village on the outskirts of the CIA’s war zone. I never traveled to that village. I merely called them up and asked for a toll-free number to be passed out along with a couple hours a week that I could be reached by phone. I said that I was a problem-solving consultant and would try to help them realize whatever dreams they had. For the next two months or so, I manned the phone during those hours. That was all the time I had for that project. I listened and helped people find the dream in their heart that could move them to take the risks to succeed. I wasn’t passing out money, or grants. All I was doing was listening, and giving simple heartfelt advice. By the end of the two months, the villagers decided to “host a university”. They did not even have a high school graduate among them, but they wanted to get an education. I asked them to figure out what a university should teach that would really help them. They designed the curriculum. It was not like any university that I had ever heard of, and that was a big plus for them. They hosted the university that they needed not the one that others wanted them to have. They invited “speakers” and kept control of the curriculum and its relevance to their lives. Neighboring villagers flocked to their village to take one and two day courses. They had many teachers that then went out to teach from village to village. There were courses on how to be a mid-wife, on how to raise livestock, on how to write down their life stories, on how to raise children, and on how to set up small businesses. That village became prosperous. It also had a decrease in population naturally. That moderation of population, like in First World educated cultures was long lasting.

My intervention cost next to nothing—not even a single plane ticket. The war dragged on for years, cost the US taxpayers a lot, and did not decrease the population growth rate, only decreased the numbers in the population. It just trimmed the rose brush and made it grow. Actually, it left an ugly landscape, despair, and suffering. When one trims a rose bush you get lovely roses. After a war, you get a bumper crop of children, but not happy healthy ones usually. One get children missing limbs due to landmines, and birth defects from defoliants and depleted uranium. War is not good for growing children. It is not like pruning is to rose bushes, I was wrong.

In one of the last population growth studies I did at the CIA, the question being studied was “Could others get results like mine?” That study used intelligence officers, trained murderers and assassins. We all have that “soldier” inside of us waiting to come out if we get put in bootcamp. I gave them a different kind of bootcamp. It was only a week long and it was mainly changing their hearts and minds; I don’t like physical exercise much. After that week was over, they manned a phone line to a village a couple hours a week like I had years before. The birth rates were studied for several years after that. Their listening and helping people problem solve also made a difference, depending on how they did it. If they were authoritarian, the villagers felt threatened even at a distance and the population growth rate went up. If they were loving and helped by supporting the goals of the villager, the birth rates went down. One man got better results than I had. Overall, about 25% of those trained killers managed to change enough to get an excellent result, the population decreased by contentment flourishing. About 40% got the result of the population staying the same. And about 20% got no change in population growth, and about 15% made the population growth rate worse. It was still not as bad as after a war or a famine.

The Cabal causes the very problem that they say is so serious that it requires the drastic measure of killing—their harsh authoritarian stance is a major cause of population overgrowth. Note, I did not help people solve their problems by making them lazy. Passing out money in welfare programs is not love. That is not to say that passing out money it never appropriate. When one loves someone one can see, by the grace of God how to help them. A social program without love it not much different than being given a number at Auschwitz, it dehumanizes the person. It is no wonder that government social programs often fail to give real and lasting benefits. Yet when the people running them do have love in their hearts and are allowed to give it in that setting, much good can come of it. All too often programs are rule based prisons of the mind that destroy love and prevent creative thinking. It doesn’t have to be that way.

One of the reasons that I think we didn’t get as good a result on that population control study of my students, is that the framework was static. It did not allow my students to figure out creatively how they could best help a village. I am sure that some of them would have been best going out to a village and listening to the people while playing sports or hiking with them. They could have listened while doing outdoor work with them that helped the village. Frankly, I think that in many cases the villagers never told them their most pressing problems, and that was one of the biggest difficulty in the study. Gaining the trust of others can be a big problem, if the CIA officer has spent decades lying, conning and killing. A week of empathy training may not be enough to change a hardened criminal into the saint that they were meant to be. Since the CIA would not let me solve the biggest problem that they have at the CIA, it is not surprising that the CIA officers had trouble solving the biggest problem of those villages.

Sue Arrigo 18 June 2008 19:05

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Speaks for itself... I think.


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https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71453-Life--Or-What-s-A-Yoghourt-s-Got-To-Do-With-Nature-Nurture.&p=834374&viewfull=1#post834374

[Ernie Nemeth]

I can attest to the power of love to heal! I have been involved with exactly that for over seventeen years now. But not a conditional love, not a hard love, not even a lover's love. Instead it must be a parental love - a love of giving and giving and giving...forever. The forever part is the most important part. A true lover can have this love but it is extremely rare, as that sort of love most often has many conditions that can be broken.

That kind of love changes everything for a person, especially one that has not know love before.

A parent loves forever...a poor but similar love to the Creator's. And look at what God managed to create!

[Cosmored]

I just watched this.

DR SHERRI TENPENNY: CURRENT OUTLOOK ON 2021! (FULL VIDEO JANUARY 7, 2021)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HsoaftPNOsMe/
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/dr-sherri-tenpenny-explains-how-the-mrna-injections-might-cause-mass-deaths-3-6-months-after-being-injected.html


She talks about the mechanics of how the covid vaccine kills people. I think it's a must-see.

[Bubu]

Every living being value its life. That is why it will do anything to run away from danger to preserve it. While it is possible that overpopulation can be a problem in the future, right now its not. Anyone supporting depopulation because it can be a problem in the future, instead of doing something to nurture it while its not yet a problem, only sees the value of his/her life and not the value of others life.

[Chris Gilbert]

Great article Gwin Ru!

Overpopulation definitely is a problem, but it's primarily due to a world of haves and have nots, something the 0.1% exacerate. Inequality not only of resources, but of power. Fix that and the pressure to have more children subsides. Some may still have large families, while some focus on other goals in their lives.


I suggested a different way for them to use the land so that a short trough from a local stream would irrigate all of their fields. It meant two things; the land would have to be swapped around and people would have to cooperate in building and maintaining the trough. Everyone would benefit each time anyone irrigated one field, all would get irrigated. That project created an enormous amount of good-will in the village because it was designed properly. The result was an increase yield per acre and a more forest was allowed to grow over unneeded farmland. The population shrank about 10%, not due to migration to cities, but due to contentment and fewer children.

[Cosmored]

I used to live in Mexico City. Lot's of people had large families. I learned that couples had lots of children because they were planning for their retirements. In countries such as Mexico where people don't have guaranteed retirement pensions the custom is for children to support their parents. A couple needs at least four adult children to share the expenses of supporting them. Sometimes children die so the rule of thumb is to have six children just in case. If they're lucky, they'll have six adult children supporting them.

Obviously, if there had been guaranteed retirement pensions for everybody during the last seventy five years, the world population would be much lower now. The problem is obviously the people who make these big decisions.

[Ratszinger]

I used to live in Mexico City. Lot's of people had large families. I learned that couples had lots of children because they were planning for their retirements. In countries such as Mexico where people don't have guaranteed retirement pensions the custom is for children to support their parents. A couple needs at least four adult children to share the expenses of supporting them. Sometimes children die so the rule of thumb is to have six children just in case. If they're lucky, they'll have six adult children supporting them.

Obviously, if there had been guaranteed retirement pensions for everybody during the last seventy five years, the world population would be much lower now. The problem is obviously the people who make these big decisions.

This is pretty much exactly duplicated in all but very few parts of WV where I grew up also.

[Denny]

Thanks for the welcome here. From what we have learned this is exactly what is happening except we don't call it depopulation we call it an annihilation plan. Administered by the sociopathic ET cohort that has been running this planet for thousands of years. ET Is Getting Tired of You

https://getwisdom-posts.tumblr.com/post/617843477050425344/et-is-tired-of-you

[Tintin]

“I have absolutely no doubt that we are in the presence of evil (not a determination I’ve ever made before in a 40-year research career) and dangerous products.

“In the U.K., it’s abundantly clear that the authorities are bent on a course which will result in administering ‘vaccines’ to as many of the population as they can. This is madness, because even if these agents were legitimate, protection is needed only by those at notably elevated risk of death from the virus. In those people, there might even be an argument that the risks are worth bearing. And there definitely are risks which are what I call ‘mechanistic’: inbuilt in the way they work. - Dr. Mike Yeadon

Exclusive: Former Pfizer VP to AFLDS: ‘Entirely possible this will be used for massive-scale depopulation’
March 25, 2021 | by Mordechai Sones

Source: https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-to-aflds-entirely-possible-this-will-be-used-for-massive-scale-depopulation/

America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) spoke to former Pfizer Vice President and Chief Science Officer Dr. Mike Yeadon about his views on the COVID-19 vaccine, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, the regulatory authorities, and more.

At the outset, Dr. Yeadon said “I’m well aware of the global crimes against humanity being perpetrated against a large proportion of the worlds population.

“I feel great fear, but I’m not deterred from giving expert testimony to multiple groups of able lawyers like Rocco Galati in Canada and Reiner Fuellmich in Germany.

“I have absolutely no doubt that we are in the presence of evil (not a determination I’ve ever made before in a 40-year research career) and dangerous products.

“In the U.K., it’s abundantly clear that the authorities are bent on a course which will result in administering ‘vaccines’ to as many of the population as they can. This is madness, because even if these agents were legitimate, protection is needed only by those at notably elevated risk of death from the virus. In those people, there might even be an argument that the risks are worth bearing. And there definitely are risks which are what I call ‘mechanistic’: inbuilt in the way they work.

“But all the other people, those in good health and younger than 60 years, perhaps a little older, they don’t perish from the virus. In this large group, it’s wholly unethical to administer something novel and for which the potential for unwanted effects after a few months is completely uncharacterized.

“In no other era would it be wise to do what is stated as the intention.

“Since I know this with certainty, and I know those driving it know this too, we have to enquire: What is their motive?

“While I don’t know, I have strong theoretical answers, only one of which relates to money and that motive doesn’t work, because the same quantum can be arrived at by doubling the unit cost and giving the agent to half as many people. Dilemma solved. So it’s something else.

Appreciating that, by entire population, it is also intended that minor children and eventually babies are to be included in the net, and that’s what I interpret to be an evil act.

“There is no medical rationale for it. Knowing as I do that the design of these ‘vaccines’ results, in the expression in the bodies of recipients, expression of the spike protein, which has adverse biological effects of its own which, in some people, are harmful (initiating blood coagulation and activating the immune ‘complement system’), I’m determined to point out that those not at risk from this virus should not be exposed to the risk of unwanted effects from these agents.”

AFLDS: The Israel Supreme Court decision last week cancelling COVID flight restrictions said: “In the future, any new restrictions on travel into or out of Israel need, in legal terms, a comprehensive, factual, data-based foundation.”

In a talk you gave four months ago, you said

“The most likely duration of immunity to a respiratory virus like SARS CoV-2 is multiple years. Why do I say that? We actually have the data for a virus that swept through parts of the world seventeen years ago called SARS, and remember SARS CoV-2 is 80% similar to SARS, so I think that’s the best comparison that anyone can provide.

“The evidence is clear: These very clever cellular immunologists studied all the people they could get hold of who had survived SARS 17 years ago. They took a blood sample, and they tested whether they responded or not to the original SARS and they all did; they all had perfectly normal, robust T cell memory. They were actually also protected against SARS CoV-2, because they’re so similar; it’s cross immunity.

“So, I would say the best data that exists is that immunity should be robust for at least 17 years. I think it’s entirely possible that it is lifelong. The style of the responses of these people’s T cells were the same as if you’ve been vaccinated and then you come back years later to see if that immunity has been retained. So I think the evidence is really strong that the duration of immunity will be multiple years, and possibly lifelong.”

In other words, previous exposure to SARS – that is, a variant similar to SARS CoV-2 – bestowed SARS CoV-2 immunity.

The Israel government cites new variants to justify lockdowns, flight closures, restrictions, and Green Passport issuance. Given the Supreme Court verdict, do you think it may be possible to preempt future government measures with accurate information about variants, immunity, herd immunity, etc. that could be provided to the lawyers who will be challenging those future measures?

Yeadon: “What I outlined in relation to immunity to SARS is precisely what we’re seeing with SARS-CoV-2.

The study is from one of the best labs in their field.

“So, theoretically, people could test their T-cell immunity by measuring the responses of cells in a small sample of their blood. There are such tests, they are not “high throughput” and they are likely to cost a few hundred USD each on scale. But not thousands. The test I’m aware of is not yet commercially available, but research only in U.K.

“However, I expect the company could be induced to provide test kits “for research” on scale, subject to an agreement. If you were to arrange to test a few thousand non vaccinated Israelis, it may be a double edged sword. Based on other countries experiences, 30-50% of people had prior immunity & additionally around 25% have been infected & are now immune.

“Personally, I wouldn’t want to deal with the authorities on their own terms: that you’re suspected as a source of infection until proven otherwise. You shouldn’t need to be proving you’re not a health risk to others. Those without symptoms are never a health threat to others. And in any case, once those who are concerned about the virus are vaccinated, there is just no argument for anyone else needing to be vaccinated.”

My understanding of a “leaky vaccine” is that it only lessens symptoms in the vaccinated, but does not stop transmission; it therefore allows the spread of what then becomes a more deadly virus.

For example, in China they deliberately use leaky Avian Flu vaccines to quickly cull flocks of chicken, because the unvaccinated die within three days. In Marek’s Disease, from which they needed to save all the chickens, the only solution was to vaccinate 100% of the flock, because all unvaccinated were at high risk of death. So how a leaky vax is utilized is intention-driven, that is, it is possible that the intent can be to cause great harm to the unvaccinated.

Stronger strains usually would not propagate through a population because they kill the host too rapidly, but if the vaccinated experience only less-serious disease, then they spread these strains to the unvaccinated who contract serious disease and die.

Do you agree with this assessment? Furthermore, do you agree that if the unvaccinated become the susceptible ones, the only way forward is HCQ prophylaxis for those who haven’t already had COVID-19?

Would the Zelenko Protocol work against these stronger strains if this is the case?

And if many already have the aforementioned previous “17-year SARS immunity”, would that then not protect from any super-variant?

“I think the Gerrt Vanden Bossche story is highly suspect. There is no evidence at all that vaccination is leading or will lead to ‘dangerous variants’. I am worried that it’s some kind of trick.

“As a general rule, variants form very often, routinely, and tend to become less dangerous & more infectious over time, as it comes into equilibrium with its human host. Variants generally don’t become more dangerous.

“No variant differs from the original sequence by more than 0.3%. In other words, all variants are at least 99.7% identical to the Wuhan sequence.

“It’s a fiction, and an evil one at that, that variants are likely to “escape immunity”.

“Not only is it intrinsically unlikely – because this degree of similarity of variants means zero chance that an immune person (whether from natural infection or from vaccination) will be made ill by a variant – but it’s empirically supported by high-quality research.

“The research I refer to shows that people recovering from infection or who have been vaccinated ALL have a wide range of immune cells which recognize ALL the variants.

“This paper (https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S266637912100015X?token=8C352DE7F159D325663A3EBBFC68F1832F12A4BA2FA5FFC8784BA2525959716899F6CACCBBB1 A6403E7B2C88D961C030) shows WHY the extensive molecular recognition by the immune system makes the tiny changes in variants irrelevant.

“I cannot say strongly enough: The stories around variants and need for top up vaccines are FALSE. I am concerned there is a very malign reason behind all this. It is certainly not backed by the best ways to look at immunity. The claims always lack substance when examined, and utilize various tricks, like manipulating conditions for testing the effectiveness of antibodies. Antibodies are probably rather unimportant in host protection against this virus. There have been a few ‘natural experiments’, people who unfortunately cannot make antibodies, yet are able quite successfully to repel this virus. They definitely are better off with antibodies than without. I mention these rare patients because they show that antibodies are not essential to host immunity, so some contrived test in a lab of antibodies and engineered variant viruses do NOT justify need for top up vaccines.

“The only people who might remain vulnerable and need prophylaxis or treatment are those who are elderly and/or ill and do not wish to receive a vaccine (as is their right).

“The good news is that there are multiple choices available: hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, budesonide (inhaled steroid used in asthmatics), and of course oral Vitamin D, zinc, azithromycin etc. These reduce the severity to such an extent that this virus did not need to become a public health crisis.”

Do you feel the FDA does a good job regulating big pharma? In what ways does big pharma get around the regulator? Do you feel they did so for the mRNA injection?

“Until recently, I had high regard for global medicines regulators. When I was in Pfizer, and later CEO of a biotech I founded (Ziarco, later acquired by Novartis), we interacted respectfully with FDA, EMA, and the U.K. MHRA.
Always good quality interactions.

“Recently, I noticed that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) had made a grant to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)! Can that ever be appropriate? They’re funded by public money. They should never accept money from a private body.

“So here is an example where the U.K. regulator has a conflict of interest.

“The European Medicines Agency failed to require certain things as disclosed in the ‘hack’ of their files while reviewing the Pfizer vaccine.

“You can find examples on Reiner Fuellmich’s “Corona Committee” online.

“So I no longer believe the regulators are capable of protecting us. ‘Approval’ is therefore meaningless.

“Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg and I petitioned the EMA Dec 1, 2020 on the genetic vaccines. They ignored us.

“Recently, we wrote privately to them, warning of blood clots, they ignored us. When we went public with our letter, we were completely censored. Days later, more than ten countries paused use of a vaccine citing blood clots.

“I think the big money of pharma plus cash from BMGF creates the environment where saying no just isn’t an option for the regulator.

“I must return to the issue of ‘top up vaccines’ (booster shots) and it is this whole narrative which I fear will he exploited and used to gain unparalleled power over us.

“PLEASE warn every person not to go near top up vaccines. There is absolutely no need to them.

“As there’s no need for them, yet they’re being made in pharma, and regulators have stood aside (no safety testing), I can only deduce they will be used for nefarious purposes.

“For example, if someone wished to harm or kill a significant proportion of the worlds population over the next few years, the systems being put in place right now will enable it.

“It’s my considered view that it is entirely possible that this will be used for massive-scale depopulation.”

Posted in Frontline News and tagged COVID-19, depopulation, FDA, hydroxychloroquine, immunity, Ivermectin, Mike Yeadon, SARS, SARS CoV-2,
vaccine injury

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Paper: Comprehensive analysis of T cell immunodominance and immunoprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 epitopes in COVID-19 cases

https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S266637912100015X?token=8C352DE7F159D325663A3EBBFC68F1832F12A4BA2FA5FFC8784BA2525959716899F6CACCBBB1 A6403E7B2C88D961C030

[Delight]

Jay Dyer talking with Alex Jones about SPARS and other citations of depopulation agenda.....


Jay Dyer of https://jaysanalysis.com guest hosts The Alex J0nes Show to break down the new discoveries in the SPARS 2025-2028 depopulation document.
(https://jaysanalysis.com/2021/04/10/new-discoveries-reveaied-in-spars-2025-2028-dep0pulation-document/)

[jaybee]

Jay Dyer talking with Alex Jones about SPARS and other citations of depopulation agenda.....


Jay Dyer of https://jaysanalysis.com guest hosts The Alex J0nes Show to break down the new discoveries in the SPARS 2025-2028 depopulation document.
(https://jaysanalysis.com/2021/04/10/new-discoveries-reveaied-in-spars-2025-2028-dep0pulation-document/)


I commented about this link/info in the Vaccines and Mind Control thread.....

But I want to say something else.... I feel this is a link that could be sent to politicians - I know it's a long shot but they MIGHT be interested as it is stated that they are the ones who are going to get the blame when people start dying off due to the vaccines - and the public will turn on THEM - while the Shadow Government working behind the scenes could get away with it...

Being a Useful Idiot that aids and abets genocide - is not a good thing to be and could result in prosecution or worse - much worse...

Perhaps something like that could sharpen the mind - after all I don't suppose the Nazis thought they'd end up on trial after WW2....

[prc]

I would bet on a Global famine that has already kik started here in Brazil. According to a news article, right now, more than half of the Brazillian Population is facing food insecurity. (Brazillian Population 210 million). Poor people have already stopped consuming meat, they cannot afford, they migrated to eggs but the price of eggs are on the rise because they are needed to produce the vaccines. We also had drought in several States impacting the crops. And we might be heading to another era of sky rocketing prices of commodities. So I would check the box of a great famine.

[roguemoon]

apologies to anyone who knew this gentlemen, i've plucked this out of the thousands that have died.

Dr. Joshimar Henry was a fit, healthy and athletic resident doctor in the PGY1 program (pharmacy) at Humboldt Park Health in Chicago, he had no known health isssues. He was among the first Chicago residents to get the first dose of the Pfizer’s emergency licensed experimental mRNA gene therapy shot on December 15, 2020. During the video of the event he along with others were referred to as “the lucky ones,” followed by rounds of applause after each shot to each recipient that day..

Dr. Henry received his second Pfizer shot on January 6, three months later on the 3rd of April he dropped dead after suffering a stroke.


According to main stream news reports, its nothing to do with the vaccine he received, its ‘just a coincidence.’

[pyrangello]

Thanks for the reminder rm. I think many of us here are just stunned at the lack of objectivity of those who are deciding to get this shot of whatever this is especially when it pertains to those who we know, love , and care about in our inner circle. The people who are educated and productive in our society and line up for a shot that is listed as an experimental vaccine that even your life insurance will not pay out for a year up to after you get the shot should you expire.now we wait as the clock ticks ,as we witness the first wave of casualties hit, as we know all of the animals that were used to test these vaccines all died, some not in the beginning but months later of sepsis,cardiac and liver issues. Remember on the news months ago when all these companies were racing to get a shot in the market, it was publicized there was a monkey shortage. That's because they all died.

Many of my friends and relatives think this is just another flu shot, it started with good intentions but just in the movie it's a mad,mad,mad,mad world. The frenzy to get to the end of the race at all costs had no limits. There was 115 billion in cash set aside for the companies at the end of this race, there was no responsibility to be had at the end of this race to any of these drug makers as they are all not liable for anything that happens in the end only to receive that cash. And now as we watch the roll out of this experiment and the results many of us are indeed starting to wonder is this a planned depopulation? I did not even think that was an option when this started, but that thinking is starting to fracture within my own thoughts now.

Now we wait for wave 2, the people who took this jab to see what the after effects hold. As a gentlemen told me who has a family member who looks at blood work in the hospital of those who took the shot and are now coming down with other issues, a common issue is multiple lesions on their liver. Remember the liver issues on the animals that were tested?

[gord]

Manufactured fear can get people to go along with nearly anything.

[pyrangello]

Sure fear is used precisely , just as in elections for public officials, like the last election , one candidate says the other wants to cut social security here in the states. I have new news, they are never going to cut social security until or if it ever goes completely broke, That mantra has been used forever, its actually a joke anybody would even listen to it. But those who just live on that follow it like an IV draining into their arm. Fear, yes fear is used, the other technique now being used is just what I heard on the radio a few minutes ago " Do your part by getting the shot and protecting us all". Here's a slogan for you to feel shame or unpatriotic if you don't get the shot. To make you want to not walk with dignity that your not part of the team. They finally stated the other day that only 21% of the US is vaccinated. If your paying attention to the numbers here in michigan , it appears the infection rate is going crazy here, yes fear is on its way again, but whats really weird is the daily death rate is very very low. None of this is making sense. I was talking to a buddy of mine last night, he said the infection rate numbers are going sky high because they changed the way they are doing the tests ,the formula, thus changing the formula how they determine if your infected whether you show signs or not of being ill. Everybody here is still doing the same as yesterday, we never even got to 100% open with the restaurants here , only 50% per the queen running the state. Seems none of this locked down worked if were the worst in the country right? So why lock us down even more if none of that worked to begin with?

I'll get back to this thread when I find out for sure on the testing ?

[Delight]

Listen to Sherri Tenpenny at 25:37 affirm that this is an intentional global genocidal plan. I learned today that my brother has taken the first jab and have to just let my brother be OK, whatever. Over and over I realize that facts make no difference. I do not understand how people I have thought were intelligent and not Programmed are happy to go along with this jab?


This is a very good video on Rumble so placing link up again

Quantum Nurse Interview Sherri Tenpenny (https://rumble.com/vew17n-68-dr.-sherri-tenpenny-on-quantum-nurse.html)

https://rumble.com/vew17n-68-dr.-sherri-tenpenny-on-quantum-nurse.html

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[Delight]

The genocidal plan is unfolding and legislators are passing various laws supporting the methods. Euthanasia by PAs and NPs is on the menu.


New Mexico's Dangerous, Discriminatory Assisted Suicide Law | Opinion
MATT VALLIERE , EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PATIENTS RIGHTS ACTION FUND
ON 4/13/21 (https://www.newsweek.com/new-mexicos-dangerous-discriminatory-assisted-suicide-law-opinion-1582512)

In the midst of a pandemic, the New Mexico state legislature ignored the needs of its constituents—many of whom lack basics like reliable electricity and running water, never mind basic medical care—in favor of passing a dangerous and discriminatory assisted suicide law. This and similar policies in other states have proven the failure of proponents to safeguard the people most susceptible to abuse, mistakes and coercion.

Beyond the fact that every supposed "safeguard" in the New Mexico law and others like it is unenforceable and circumventable, legislators in the state have allowed medical professionals with less training to facilitate patients' suicide. Doctors themselves are not always accurate in their prognostications, and patients could throw away good months, years or even decades over a best-guess mistake. Patients like Jeannette Hall, who would have killed herself with assisted suicide but is, thankfully, still alive decades later.

New Mexico legislators have endangered vulnerable patients by allowing even physician assistants and nurse practitioners to determine that a requesting patient has six months or less to live and provide them with suicide drugs. Medicare clearly prohibits nurse practitioners and physician assistants from certifying a terminal prognosis of six months when it comes to hospice eligibility. Suicide cannot be undone, and no matter who is determining eligibility, medical professionals make mistakes.

The New Mexico assisted suicide law also includes a sleight of hand that may prove disastrous. It defines "adult" as "a resident of the state who is eighteen years of age or older," but repeatedly uses the term "individual" rather than "adult" to delineate who is eligible for assisted suicide. Notably, the term "individual" is not defined, meaning that assisted suicide could be made available to non-residents and even children, potentially making New Mexico not only a destination for irresponsible suicide "tourism," but also the abuse of minors.

Defenders of this law claim it provides patients with greater autonomy. This is a gross distortion, especially since there is no universal right to care. People with disabilities and people of color face a myriad of health challenges—and now amid a pandemic, they experience even greater disadvantages due to lack of access to health care. It is no wonder that groups like the League of United Latin American Citizens, the Diné (Navajo) Hataałii Association, the Navajo Nation and most disability rights organizations oppose this dangerous public policy based on their concerns over inequities in health care.

—whether they be poor, people with disabilities, indigenous or people of color. Many in New Mexico don't have access to top-quality medical care, and with societal and financial pressures and elder abuse on the rise, vulnerable people could be pressured to choose assisted suicide rather than getting the care they deserve.

Assisted suicide laws invite elder and disability abuse while granting immunity to all those participating. For example, Michael Freeland, who had experienced acute depression and attempted suicide multiple times over several decades, received the lethal prescription and was left at home with the suicide drugs, even though medical professionals had previously removed all other means of his taking his own life from his home. So too, an elderly dementia patient, Kate Cheney, was referred for the non-required psychiatric evaluation and denied the lethal dose. Then, her daughter shopped around for a doctor until she found one who would say Ms. Cheney had "capacity" to make this life-and-death decision; that same doctor wrote in the report that Ms. Cheney's "choices may be influenced by her family's wishes and her daughter, Erika, may be somewhat coercive."

The New Mexico legislature had a critical chance to address the glaring issues in our health care system that the pandemic exposed. They could have increased access and education for patients, training in palliative and hospice care for medical professionals, expanded home health and personal care aid or family caregiver relief. Equal access to the gold standard of care should be top priority in both policy and medicine. Giving medical professionals immunity to assist in their patients' suicide not only fails to address any of the system's problems, but exacerbates the current disparities. The rest of us can avoid making the same mistake in other states by rejecting dangerous and discriminatory assisted suicide laws.

Matt Valliere, executive director of Patients Rights Action Fund.

[Eva2]

'COVID Shots to "Decimate World Population," Warns Dr. Bhakdi
In this exclusive interview with The New American magazine's Senior Editor Alex Newman, world-renown German-Thai-American microbiologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi warns that the COVID hysteria is based on lies and that the COVID "vaccines" are set to cause a global catastrophe and a decimation of the human population. Starting off, he explains that the PCR test has been abused to produce fear in a way that is unscientific. Next, he explains what the mRNA vaccines are going to do to the human body in terms and using analogies that anyone can understand. Among other concerns, he expects massive deadly clotting as well as immune system responses that will destroy the human body. Finally, Bhakdi, who warned of impending "doom" during a Fox News interview that went viral, calls for criminal prosecutions of the people responsible and an immediate halt to this global experiment.

https://rumble.com/vfpgoh-dr.-bhakdi-interview.html?fbclid=IwAR2d8fyAv2_hLq2v_uS2Cc5Xmilyj98QQn9_TKKOY-rp1H-jSAzzZZ16seg

[Delight]

Here is Dr. Bhakdi still on youtube

Perspectives on the Pandemic | "Blood Clots and Beyond" | Episode 15
70,704 views•Apr 16, 2021

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[Mecklenburger]

May I draw attention, at this very late date in the proceedings, to the predictions of the Bavarian visionary Mattias Stormberger (died c.1830).

Almost total depopulation is coming as he forecast in Matthias Stormberger: He saw the future, tripod.com. The entire article should be read through to note the accuracy of his vision. Hitler had him on the banned writers' list.

As a footnote I would add that when the event comes about, to have any hope of survival one must be under cover of steel at 850 metres altitude, the height of "the Fuchsenriegel" hill in Austria, and also of the "Nieder Falkenstein castle". "An iron heading" is a steel helmet. Notice that according to Stormberger, Christianity may survive but not the Catholic Church.

In her last authenticated apparition at Akita, Japan in October 1973, Our Lady of All Peoples declared that in the terrible chastisement to be inflicted on all of mankind, "fire will fall from the heavens and annihilate a great part of humanity." This ties in very well with Stormberger's final prediction.

She promised: "I alone am able to save you still from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in Me will be saved."

[Satori]

Here is Dr. Bhakdi still on youtube

Perspectives on the Pandemic | "Blood Clots and Beyond" | Episode 15
70,704 views•Apr 16, 2021

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As I listened to this excellent interview, I was reminded of a segment of an interview I saw on the internet during the early stages of the supposed pandemic. Roughly March 2020. The interview was on a late night TV show in the US. I don’t watch such things but I believe it was the Steve Corbett show. I think that’s his name. The guest was a TV personality himself. A physicists on the History Channel or something. He’s into the universe and such. He’s a black man. I do not know his name.

This physicist was wearing a suit with a tie that appeared to be a rocket type space ship that ran the entire length of the tie with the rocket pointed straight up. On closeups you could see it looked very much like a syringe with a long hypodermic needle. That needle doubled as the long nose of the rocket and the syringe doubled as the rocket.

He and the host were discussing Cv-19. The host asked something that I do not recall exactly. The reply was that “they (or we) want to see if people will do what the experts tell them”. The host then said “so we’re the guinea pigs.” (Not really a question, more like a statement.). The guest either said yes or nodded his head in approval. Sort of wink, wink.

Predictive programming. NLP.

In the interview in the video above, the speaker makes the point, as have many other qualified people, such as Dr Tenpenny, that the jab is an experiment. An experiment on humans. Humans are the guinea pigs. Many humans are doing what the so-called experts tell them to do.

Those who get the jab are the guinea pigs. Those who do not are the control group.

But the people behind this and pushing the jab don’t care about a control group in the sense of learning how to heal. It can reasonably be asserted that the only thing they hope to learn is how to increase the deleterious and adverse outcomes.

[Spellbound]

Admittedly, I have not yet read though all 6 pages of this thread as of yet. forgive me if this has been posted previously, but first thought that came to my mind was step 1 of the Georgia Guidestones.

Dave - Toronto

[Operator]

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Many humans are doing what the so-called experts tell them to do.
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Unfortunately it doesn't stop there. I overheard some colleagues today arguementing that it is very 'irresponsible' that some people do not take the jab.
They were very strong advocates for a mandatory jab for literally EVERYONE. No joking, real scary. They've become 100% supporters of a dictatorship.

The next step is that they will threaten you in your face or even betray you and hand you over to some authority to get the jab.

The irony was that they spoke about getting 'their freedom' back. So that justifies to take someone else's away ? :facepalm::confused:

I think we have finally arrived at: Idiocracy (2006) IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)

[Later added:]



Those who get the jab are the guinea pigs. Those who do not are the control group.

People taking the jab do also not even realise vice versa that they are a risk for the people not taking it.
Who is going to take care of the aftermath, lots of dead and sick people, amongst which first responders, hospital personel etc. when things grow out of hand?
After all it is an experiment ... end result to be determined yet

[Gwin Ru]

Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of The Useless (https://www.thebernician.net/globalist-banker-predicted-scamdemic-genocide-of-the-useless/)

by The Bernician (https://www.thebernician.net/author/mob/)
21st April 2021 (https://www.thebernician.net/globalist-banker-predicted-scamdemic-genocide-of-the-useless/)


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Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of The Useless
For those who still doubt that the fraudulent, genocidal, Communist-style tyranny of COVID-1984 was planned long ago by the self-appointed Riders of the Pale Horse, as the unnatural denouement of their reprehensible facilitation of Big Pharma Bolshevik Coups in almost every nation worldwide becomes all the more pervasively obvious, prepare to have any remaining illusions shattered.

The following statements, which were made in 1981 by powerful international banker and unapologetic eugenicist, Jacques Attali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Attali), are taken from Interviews with Michel Salomon – The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition, which was published in France by Emi Lit when Attali was a senior adviser to French President, Francoise Mitterand:
“In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones.

Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good.

Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to an abrupt halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to run intelligence tests on millions and millions of people, you can imagine!

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”
The Weapons of Hyperconflict
Twenty five years later in 2006, Attali’s best-selling book, A Brief History of the Future – A Brave and Controversial Look at the 21st Century, was published in France.

It was then released by Arcade Publishing in the US, with a review by the Rothschild Cartel’s long-serving globalist henchman, Henry Kissinger, on the front cover, stating that the international banker’s book was “brilliant and provocative”.

As if the glowing endorsement of a man who has been charged with genocide on three continents isn’t enough to set off the alarm bells that toll for crimes against humanity, here is what Attali wrote in a chapter of the book called The Weapons of Hyperconflict:
“In all ages, the outcome of wars has been decided by possession of new arms and by the price attached by each belligerent to the lives of its own soldiers. In their time, the archers at the battle of Crécy, the tanks of the First World War, and the atomic weapons of the Second World War decided the fate of battles.

In all ages, new weapons have appeared, at once the products and the midwives of civilian technologies: the propeller was born with the lever, rearms with mechanization, tanks with the automobile. Inversely, it was in the armed forces that the telegraph, the radio, energy, the nuclear weapon, and the Internet were born alongside many other technological innovations.

In the next fifty years, new technologies will be developed by armies before being used on the civilian market. For defense or police needs, governments will finance the research needed for perfection of the technologies of hypersurveillance and selfsurveillance. Inversely, these technologies will then have civil applications.

In fact, these future weapons will essentially be founded on the concept of surveillance. Armies will at once develop digital infrastructures of nomadic ubiquity, surveillance systems for suspect movements, the means of protecting strategic installations, and a network of economic intelligence. Robots (concealed in enemy territory) and drones (flying robots) will relay data, detect chemical or biological agents, and serve as scouts ahead of infantry detachments faced with mined areas or blind spots. Software simulating battle will be permanently updated as close as possible to the battlefields.

Furthermore, new combat units will be integrated with the means of simulation, surveillance, and striking. New networks and instruments of nomadic ubiquity will allow combatants to stay connected and simulate every kind of situation. Intelligent clothing will serve to manufacture new uniforms; new materials will make it possible to design new shields. Three-dimensional simulation technologies will help prepare and carry out combat missions, while robots will work as substitutes for real fighters.

Electronic systems (e-bombs) will be able to destroy communications grids and leave an opposing force blind and deaf.

Marines will play a new part in the fight against trackers, in emigration surveillance, and in the protection of strategic straits. Fighter aircraft will no longer be as useful as today, and will lose their influence over staff thinking and military budgets.

New, so-called conventional weapons will be all the more necessary as unconventional weapons (nuclear and other) become more and more widely disseminated.

[…] By 2040 or 2050, a total of more than fifteen countries will openly possess nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

Shortage of oil will also impel the most diverse countries toward the production of civil nuclear power stations. This will lead them to use recycled wastes, known as MOX, for fuel — further multiplying the risks of proliferation and also of “disappearance” of wastes (during the transfer of these radioactive materials). Such wastes could then be used to manufacture radiological weapons mingling nuclear wastes and conventional explosives.

Other weapons — chemical, biological, bacteriological, electronic, and nanotechnological — will then appear. As with the new civil technologies they will prefigure, scientists will strive to increase their power, their miniaturization, and their accuracy. Chemical arms will be capable of seeking out and killing leaders without being detected; pandemics could be ready for unleashing at will; complex genetic arms may one day be directed specifically against certain ethnic groups.

Nanorobots as small as a mote of dust, known as gray jelly, could carry out stealth surveillance missions and attack the cells of enemy bodies. Then, once animal cloning techniques have progressed, cloned animals could well carry out missions — living animal bombs, monsters out of nightmare.

These weapons will not be developed solely in the military laboratories of powerful countries but also by big businesses, “circus businesses,” which will find new markets for them. As always, armaments will remain at the heart of the industrial apparatus, and until super-empire is here, public markets will be essentially oriented toward the armaments sector. Big insurance firms and mercenary companies will then pick up the torch.

Most of these weapons will be accessible to small nations, to nonstates, to corsairs, to pirates, mercenaries, maquisards, mafias, terrorists, and every kind of tracker. In the not distant future, for example, it will be possible to make an e-bomb for $400 from a condenser, a reel of copper wire, and an explosive. Chemical, radiological, and biological weapons will thus be affordable to everyone. Killing more and more people with rudimentary means will become a sad possibility. In cities and on mass transport, crowding will multiply the effectiveness of the most primitive weapons.

Finally (and perhaps especially), since no war can be won unless the peoples waging it believe it just and necessary, and unless the loyalty of citizens and their belief in its values are maintained, the chief weapons of the future will be the instruments of propaganda, communication, and intimidation.”
Genocide Unleashed
Given that Attali’s mind-blowingly amoral rhetoric echoes that of every other outspoken eugenicist over the past 150 years, the forgoing passages cannot be set aside as either conjecture or conspiracy theory.

However, on the basis that he predicted in 1981 that there would be genocidal culling of the over 60’s, the weak and the stupid, the catalyst for which would be finding or manufacturing a viral pandemic, the following statement is all the more conspicuous: “pandemics could be ready for unleashing at will”.

As is the final sentence quoted, which confirms that the chief weapons of the long-planned war against the People are “the instruments of propaganda, communication and intimidation.” The parallels between Attali’s predictions of such genocides being unleashed in the 21st century and the events of COVID-1984 are chillingly striking.
Nevertheless, without the majority of the public believing blatant government lies about a ‘virus’ which has never been isolated or purified, the censorship of opposing views and the erection of a police state would have proven impossible.

It naturally follows that when the majority rejects the fraudulent narrative, opposing views, censored or not, will become the norm and the police state can then be systematically deconstructed with totalitarian non-compliance to every tyrannical rogue government diktat and the criminal prosecution of all those charged with crimes against humanity.


Read More in Critical Thinking (https://www.thebernician.net/critical-thinking/)

[Bill Ryan]

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”


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WOW.

[Bill Ryan]

That's quite something else. Jeez. I just sent Gwin's post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1423617&viewfull=1#post1423617) to Infowars, Clif High, Daniel Liszt, Joseph Farrell, and Catherine Austin Fitts. This needs to be spread far and wide.

[Journeyman]

From Attali's 'A Brief History of the Future'
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_the_Future)



Fall of the US empire
The speculation as to how the future will unfold begins one third into the book, which predicts the fall of the US Empire before the end of the ninth form of capitalism, estimated to take place around 2035.

It would be followed by a polycentric world, with nine dominating nations on all continents: the United States, Brazil, Mexico, China, India, Russia, the European Union, Egypt and Nigeria. Some of them, notably China, India and Nigeria, as well as other countries artificially created after colonization, could undertake an explosion process similar to that of USSR in 1991, with as many as 100 new countries emerging. Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Australia, Canada and South Africa would also play important roles as major regional powers.

A process of "nomadisation" would stem from technological factors, like the Internet; from demographic factors, like aging of developed populations which would entail massive immigration from Southern countries to pay retirements; and from development of megapoles.

Increase of world population would entail a doubling of global farming production. Urbanisation would make forest disappear everywhere, except for Europe and Northern America where artificially maintained ones would subsist. This would cause further increases of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and accelerate global warming. Consecutive droughts would make water a rare resource, and greatly reduce biodiversity.

Hyperempire
The "nomadisation" process would make nation-States irrelevant, transforming the world into a chaotic market called "hyperempire". The entire planet would work according to an ultra-liberal economy and a form of democracy with "revisited" standards. The citizens would see themselves as "global citizens" who want their work to serve a "higher purpose".

The ruling class, called "hypernomads", would ground its power on a middle class of 4 billion "virtual nomads" comprising technicians, scientists, managers, engineers, etc. The "virtual nomads" would live a sedentary life, but work in networks for companies without a central location. 3.5 billion "infranomads" would subsist in misery.

"Infranomads" are expected to revolt violently against their condition, stemming a resurgence of national entities and crystallising conflicts around traditional borders of ethnicities, religions, etc. Technological improvements in weaponry would put Humanity at risk of destroying itself in this conflict.

Hyperdemocracy
Opportunities of more constructive developments are detailed under the term "Hyperdemocracy", based on solidarity networks, participative democracy, "responsible companies", NGOs, micro-credits and collective intelligence.

Present day
The end of the book details reforms defended by Attali for present France, as a partial remedy to her decline which threatens her ability to survive to the competition of the "hypermarket".

Attali mentions Wikipedia as an example of "collective intelligence" which could compose hyperdemocracy: "The Wikipedia encyclopedia is for now an aggregate of the intelligences of her authors, but it will – and indeed is already beginning to – produce, through collective work, an overall result that is different from what individuals wanted"

[Tintin]

Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of The Useless (https://www.thebernician.net/globalist-banker-predicted-scamdemic-genocide-of-the-useless/)

by The Bernician (https://www.thebernician.net/author/mob/)
21st April 2021 (https://www.thebernician.net/globalist-banker-predicted-scamdemic-genocide-of-the-useless/)


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Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of The Useless
For those who still doubt that the fraudulent, genocidal, Communist-style tyranny of COVID-1984 was planned long ago by the self-appointed Riders of the Pale Horse, as the unnatural denouement of their reprehensible facilitation of Big Pharma Bolshevik Coups in almost every nation worldwide becomes all the more pervasively obvious, prepare to have any remaining illusions shattered.

The following statements, which were made in 1981 by powerful international banker and unapologetic eugenicist, Jacques Attali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Attali), are taken from Interviews with Michel Salomon – The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition, which was published in France by Emi Lit when Attali was a senior adviser to French President, Francoise Mitterand:
“In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones.

Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good.

Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to an abrupt halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to run intelligence tests on millions and millions of people, you can imagine!

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”
The Weapons of Hyperconflict
Twenty five years later in 2006, Attali’s best-selling book, A Brief History of the Future – A Brave and Controversial Look at the 21st Century, was published in France.

It was then released by Arcade Publishing in the US, with a review by the Rothschild Cartel’s long-serving globalist henchman, Henry Kissinger, on the front cover, stating that the international banker’s book was “brilliant and provocative”.

As if the glowing endorsement of a man who has been charged with genocide on three continents isn’t enough to set off the alarm bells that toll for crimes against humanity, here is what Attali wrote in a chapter of the book called The Weapons of Hyperconflict:
“In all ages, the outcome of wars has been decided by possession of new arms and by the price attached by each belligerent to the lives of its own soldiers. In their time, the archers at the battle of Crécy, the tanks of the First World War, and the atomic weapons of the Second World War decided the fate of battles.

In all ages, new weapons have appeared, at once the products and the midwives of civilian technologies: the propeller was born with the lever, rearms with mechanization, tanks with the automobile. Inversely, it was in the armed forces that the telegraph, the radio, energy, the nuclear weapon, and the Internet were born alongside many other technological innovations.

In the next fifty years, new technologies will be developed by armies before being used on the civilian market. For defense or police needs, governments will finance the research needed for perfection of the technologies of hypersurveillance and selfsurveillance. Inversely, these technologies will then have civil applications.

In fact, these future weapons will essentially be founded on the concept of surveillance. Armies will at once develop digital infrastructures of nomadic ubiquity, surveillance systems for suspect movements, the means of protecting strategic installations, and a network of economic intelligence. Robots (concealed in enemy territory) and drones (flying robots) will relay data, detect chemical or biological agents, and serve as scouts ahead of infantry detachments faced with mined areas or blind spots. Software simulating battle will be permanently updated as close as possible to the battlefields.

Furthermore, new combat units will be integrated with the means of simulation, surveillance, and striking. New networks and instruments of nomadic ubiquity will allow combatants to stay connected and simulate every kind of situation. Intelligent clothing will serve to manufacture new uniforms; new materials will make it possible to design new shields. Three-dimensional simulation technologies will help prepare and carry out combat missions, while robots will work as substitutes for real fighters.

Electronic systems (e-bombs) will be able to destroy communications grids and leave an opposing force blind and deaf.

Marines will play a new part in the fight against trackers, in emigration surveillance, and in the protection of strategic straits. Fighter aircraft will no longer be as useful as today, and will lose their influence over staff thinking and military budgets.

New, so-called conventional weapons will be all the more necessary as unconventional weapons (nuclear and other) become more and more widely disseminated.

[…] By 2040 or 2050, a total of more than fifteen countries will openly possess nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

Shortage of oil will also impel the most diverse countries toward the production of civil nuclear power stations. This will lead them to use recycled wastes, known as MOX, for fuel — further multiplying the risks of proliferation and also of “disappearance” of wastes (during the transfer of these radioactive materials). Such wastes could then be used to manufacture radiological weapons mingling nuclear wastes and conventional explosives.

Other weapons — chemical, biological, bacteriological, electronic, and nanotechnological — will then appear. As with the new civil technologies they will prefigure, scientists will strive to increase their power, their miniaturization, and their accuracy. Chemical arms will be capable of seeking out and killing leaders without being detected; pandemics could be ready for unleashing at will; complex genetic arms may one day be directed specifically against certain ethnic groups.

Nanorobots as small as a mote of dust, known as gray jelly, could carry out stealth surveillance missions and attack the cells of enemy bodies. Then, once animal cloning techniques have progressed, cloned animals could well carry out missions — living animal bombs, monsters out of nightmare.

These weapons will not be developed solely in the military laboratories of powerful countries but also by big businesses, “circus businesses,” which will find new markets for them. As always, armaments will remain at the heart of the industrial apparatus, and until super-empire is here, public markets will be essentially oriented toward the armaments sector. Big insurance firms and mercenary companies will then pick up the torch.

Most of these weapons will be accessible to small nations, to nonstates, to corsairs, to pirates, mercenaries, maquisards, mafias, terrorists, and every kind of tracker. In the not distant future, for example, it will be possible to make an e-bomb for $400 from a condenser, a reel of copper wire, and an explosive. Chemical, radiological, and biological weapons will thus be affordable to everyone. Killing more and more people with rudimentary means will become a sad possibility. In cities and on mass transport, crowding will multiply the effectiveness of the most primitive weapons.

Finally (and perhaps especially), since no war can be won unless the peoples waging it believe it just and necessary, and unless the loyalty of citizens and their belief in its values are maintained, the chief weapons of the future will be the instruments of propaganda, communication, and intimidation.”
Genocide Unleashed
Given that Attali’s mind-blowingly amoral rhetoric echoes that of every other outspoken eugenicist over the past 150 years, the forgoing passages cannot be set aside as either conjecture or conspiracy theory.

However, on the basis that he predicted in 1981 that there would be genocidal culling of the over 60’s, the weak and the stupid, the catalyst for which would be finding or manufacturing a viral pandemic, the following statement is all the more conspicuous: “pandemics could be ready for unleashing at will”.

As is the final sentence quoted, which confirms that the chief weapons of the long-planned war against the People are “the instruments of propaganda, communication and intimidation.” The parallels between Attali’s predictions of such genocides being unleashed in the 21st century and the events of COVID-1984 are chillingly striking.
Nevertheless, without the majority of the public believing blatant government lies about a ‘virus’ which has never been isolated or purified, the censorship of opposing views and the erection of a police state would have proven impossible.

It naturally follows that when the majority rejects the fraudulent narrative, opposing views, censored or not, will become the norm and the police state can then be systematically deconstructed with totalitarian non-compliance to every tyrannical rogue government diktat and the criminal prosecution of all those charged with crimes against humanity.


Read More in Critical Thinking (https://www.thebernician.net/critical-thinking/)

Yes, thanks :highfive:

And previously posted on the 'Who knew' thread here back on April 18th (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110311-Who-knew-about-Covid-19-in-advance&p=1422896&viewfull=1#post1422896)

[Gwin Ru]

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Some backdrop dots:

Climate summit language reveals real - but hidden - agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-...Climate-Change...--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam&p=1263138&viewfull=1#post1263138)
Climate lunacy takes center stage in Poland (https://www.iceagenow.info/climate-lunacy-takes-center-stage-in-poland/)

... and the "Blue Print":


Insider Foretold Mass Migration in 2006 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/InsiderForetold Mass Migration in 2006)
Jacques Attali, Macron's mentor/handler (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88469---a-Chauffe-&p=1263284&viewfull=1#post1263284)

[Tintin]

Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of The Useless
For those who still doubt that the fraudulent, genocidal, Communist-style tyranny of COVID-1984 was planned long ago by the self-appointed Riders of the Pale Horse, as the unnatural denouement of their reprehensible facilitation of Big Pharma Bolshevik Coups in almost every nation worldwide becomes all the more pervasively obvious, prepare to have any remaining illusions shattered.

The following statements, which were made in 1981 by powerful international banker and unapologetic eugenicist, Jacques Attali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Attali), are taken from Interviews with Michel Salomon – The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition, which was published in France by Emi Lit when Attali was a senior adviser to French President, Francoise Mitterand:
“In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones.

Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good.

Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to an abrupt halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to run intelligence tests on millions and millions of people, you can imagine!

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”
The Weapons of Hyperconflict


Yes, thanks :highfive:

And previously posted on the 'Who knew' thread here back on April 18th (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110311-Who-knew-about-Covid-19-in-advance&p=1422896&viewfull=1#post1422896)

[eagle0027]

Thnx for this post...passed along to my kids and a few others so far unvaxed that are blowing off the severity of it

[Tintin]

May I draw attention, at this very late date in the proceedings, to the predictions of the Bavarian visionary Mattias Stormberger (died c.1830).

Almost total depopulation is coming as he forecast in Matthias Stormberger: He saw the future, tripod.com. The entire article should be read through to note the accuracy of his vision. Hitler had him on the banned writers' list.

As a footnote I would add that when the event comes about, to have any hope of survival one must be under cover of steel at 850 metres altitude, the height of "the Fuchsenriegel" hill in Austria, and also of the "Nieder Falkenstein castle". "An iron heading" is a steel helmet. Notice that according to Stormberger, Christianity may survive but not the Catholic Church.

In her last authenticated apparition at Akita, Japan in October 1973, Our Lady of All Peoples declared that in the terrible chastisement to be inflicted on all of mankind, "fire will fall from the heavens and annihilate a great part of humanity." This ties in very well with Stormberger's final prediction.

She promised: "I alone am able to save you still from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in Me will be saved."

Great, thanks :highfive:

And there's a thread of interest here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14023-Matthias-Stormberger-That-Prophet-does-no-error-on-the-future) on Avalon dating back a while too:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14023-Matthias-Stormberger-That-Prophet-does-no-error-on-the-future

[Innocent Warrior]

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”


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WOW.


That’s ****in’ crazy. Makes sense of so much.

[Operator]

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The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”
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There is a small bit of silver lining here ...
The way I read it is that they will not kill all of us if you're smart enough not to fall for their trap (so no mandatory vaccines to leave a choice for you?).
Isn't this their 'Religion'? They're going to tell what they are about to do ... be smart enough to not fall for it?

Like I mentioned before the aftermath is not going to be funny in whatever shape or form you're going to live through such an event.

I also mentioned before (years ago in one of my posts) that I sense that a 'Mad Max' like scenario might become
real ever since the first movie came out. Somehow our society gets 'derailed'. If it was on purpose the
instigators lose control too and the remaining populous is left to their devices ...

Then the 2nd (more natural) selection kicks in ...

Unless ...

[Mecklenburger]

2035! 2040 or 2050! What optimism. There is a total eclipse of the Sun over all North America on 8 April 2024. There is the message. Planned long in advance.

[DeDukshyn]

We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”


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WOW.

But also consider that this direction indicates that the elite don't want an population of stupid slave humans to do their bidding, they want strong, independent, critical thinkers that have the intelligence, wit, and resources to be able to defy their "plans" to be the population that remains.

A bit of a flip from the conventional way the story is presented, and something I have been noticing will probably end up being the result when such a genocide is complete.

Its an interesting perspective.

But it also could well be that there isn't consensus among the elite about which way it would/should go.

EDIT: Shout out to Operator, who's post I hadn't read, for first bringing that perspective forth. It's something I've been thinking for a while now, as that is what the result of this will be, considering if COVID and its subsequent results really is the big catalyst for a depopulation plan ... or any depop plan really for that matter.

[Innocent Warrior]

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The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”
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There is a small bit of silver lining here ...
The way I read it is that they will not kill all of us if you're smart enough not to fall for their trap (so no mandatory vaccines to leave a choice for you?).
Isn't this their 'Religion'? They're going to tell what they are about to do ... be smart enough to not fall for it?

Like I mentioned before the aftermath is not going to be funny in whatever shape or form you're going to live through such an event.

I also mentioned before (years ago in one of my posts) that I sense that a 'Mad Max' like scenario might become
real ever since the first movie came out. Somehow our society gets 'derailed'. If it was on purpose the
instigators lose control too and the remaining populous is left to their devices ...

Then the 2nd (more natural) selection kicks in ...

Unless ...

The matter of whether it’s a silver lining or not is subject to each individual’s personal choices about their life and their view on humanity. Far tighter control through surveillance and passports (essentially a licence just to move freely) is being rolled out with a culling. I’d rather die during a mass culling than live in their control system.

Freedom is not optional because freedom is human nature, it’s as necessary as water, without it humanity withers away like a rose in a desert.

They’ve been manipulating the human race for a long time. This is just what it looks like now. This scenario is no different to lining us all up to inspect our health, sending the weak and sick to death camps, and putting the stronger people in a factory to make weapons for them. Same ****, different day.

Freedom is the only acceptable outcome.

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[Metaphor]

That's quite something else. Jeez. I just sent Gwin's post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1423617&viewfull=1#post1423617) to Infowars, Clif High, Daniel Liszt, Joseph Farrell, and Catherine Austin Fitts. This needs to be spread far and wide.

Bill, Clif High picked up your tip! He also links to this thread! Bravo:clapping:

Video text here, below this link:
https://bitchute.com/video/SCdUdCbw5lsb

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[EarthGirl]

Lyn Buchannan, remote viewer who many will be aware of...

Did a did a discussion not long ago and someone commented a couple of days ago:

"Lyn, when you said in a video on Gaia that you had viewed the future where there were a lot fewer people in the world, was it because of the vaccine?"

Lyn's reply was "What I saw was that it was the result of "a series of man-made natural disasters." Didn't get any specifics on it"

Lyn's reply since 2012 about the future has never changed. His reply has always been the same he saw an agrarian society, using technology (we aren't going back to the stone age) but with a lot fewer people .

My condolences again, also go out to Lyn who lost his wife in Nov last year, Linda went into hospital for a surgery which they were hoping would be her last one and they were planning their future trips together. Linda came out of hospital in the afternoon and was dead by evening from internal bleeding...

Lyn's comment "Doctor ehh..."

[Tintin]

Those of us who long ago suspected that the appearance of a bumbling and apparently competent buffoon (as in competent at buffoonery) has had those suspicions that this is just disguise for a depopulation maniac greatly reinforced over the last year, and the policies that have been implemented, on his watch, would strengthen that view.

That he is clearly aligned with the eugenicist mindset is difficult to refute when historical pieces like this rear their head again:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez509JxXMAE352H?format=jpg&name=large

[Waldo]

Boris is totally sold out to Klaus Schwab and friends.

[Tintin]

Boris is totally sold out to Klaus Schwab and friends.

Yup, sadly :flower:

[araucaria]

"Johnson denies saying he would rather see ‘bodies piled high’ than third Covid lockdown"


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/minister-denies-boris-johnson-said-thousands-more-covid-deaths-better-than-another-lockdown



In a quantum world, you can say something and not say it. In my old-fashioned way of thinking, it was 'you can say one thing and do another'.

For example, in the world of politics, you can say I don't want another lockdown, and impose one. I think the above falls in the category of the Freudian slip.


Sometimes, when a person cannot accept opposition of any kind, they might wish another person dead, and even do something about it. This is the motive behind most if not all murders. At this stage, it is one on one. The next development from Cain and Abel is mass murder. Any form of serial killing, mass murder, genocide or species-cide is likely the same phenomenon on an altogether larger scale. Its strength is its weakness: the more people you seek to kill, the more people can turn on you and ensure your demise.


Such thinking is sick, i.e. needs treatment that we don't necessariily have - but we will, soon.
Some, for example, will explain that overpopulation is a myth, once you remove the need for en 'elite' driven by the need to commandeer all resources for themselves. By definition, there is nothing for everyone else.


Compare and contrast: you have five loaves and five thousand mouths to feed. Easy: five (correction: one) thousand portions per loaf, and everyone goes home happy.

[onawah]

Clickbait heading: Bombshell Salk Institute science paper reveals the covid spike protein is the bioweapon
From Mike Adams Brighteon <noreply@brighteon.com
5/8/21
Starting at 45 minutes into the Brighteon video

(It's a clickbait heading, and not accurate because what the article about the study actually says is "Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself."
So, whether true or not, the report doesn't say the spike proteins in the COVID jabs are a weapon; it says the proteins in the virus cause disease, but that the proteins in the jabs are different, and are safe.
Twisting words around to mean what you want them to mean doesn't help the cause.
I've often found Mike Adams to be less than truthful, but I figured this new Brighteon from him would get attention, so I wanted to point out the problem with it in advance.
While I think it's true that the spike proteins in the COVID jabs ARE a bioweapon, the Salk article doesn't admit that, it denies it.
Here is the article he is referring to: https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/)

From Mike Adams:
"The prestigious Salk Institute, founded by vaccine pioneer Jonas Salk, has authored and published a bombshell scientific article revealing that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is what's actually causing vascular damage in covid patients and covid vaccine recipients, promoting the strokes, heart attacks, migraines, blood clots and other harmful reactions that have already killed thousands of Americans.

The vaccines deliberately inject you with the spike protein, and in the case of mRNA vaccines, they turn your body into a weaponized spike protein factory that churns out these deadly particles and floods them into your bloodstream.

The Salk Institute basically just admitted that covid vaccines are depopulation weapons."

Listen to the full podcast here:
https://www.brighteon.com/186eb1f4-4078-4f47-a544-b6c2cc428abc

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[Gwin Ru]

[...]
While I think it's true that the spike proteins in the COVID jabs ARE a bioweapon, the Salk article doesn't admit that, it denies it.
Here is the article he is referring to: https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/)
[/U]
[...] See these two posts, here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113263-Possible-side-effects-from-the-Covid-vaccine&p=1426462&viewfull=1#post1426462) and here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113263-Possible-side-effects-from-the-Covid-vaccine&p=1426638&viewfull=1#post1426638).

[Journeyman]

[...]
While I think it's true that the spike proteins in the COVID jabs ARE a bioweapon, the Salk article doesn't admit that, it denies it.
Here is the article he is referring to: https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/)
[/U]
[...] See these two posts, here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113263-Possible-side-effects-from-the-Covid-vaccine&p=1426462&viewfull=1#post1426462) and here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113263-Possible-side-effects-from-the-Covid-vaccine&p=1426638&viewfull=1#post1426638).

Two very good posts, but I do agree with Onawah that any hint of click baiting or distortion from alternative media sources should be called out.

Think how dangerous an article like that from Mike Adams is? As soon as the distortion of the Salk Institute's findings is highlighted the article and by extension those that shared it lose all credibility with the wider world.

The alternative media have to conform to the highest possible standards of truth and veracity if they're going to reach those within the MSM bubble.

[Bill Ryan]

Re the Salk Institute research, Dr Sherri Tenpenny goes into exactly this in this new video.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/h5anMrKeRa0y/

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[Hym]

What Mike Adams might have said, is that the Salk Institute gives us the solid basis for concluding that the shot, which by definition is not a vaccine, creates the same pathogenic response in the system as does the current virus, which is the creation of the spike proteins that bind to the ACE 2 receptors and cause vascular injury body wide. Their subterfuge is double speak.....

I take only a slight exception to Mike not stepping back and isolating the science from extrapolating about the conclusions. He expects the reader, the listener, to go there with him. It's honest and correct to note the differences between the two, but careless to then not separate them when publishing your own conclusions. He states the obvious and it is his position to do so. We expect it of him, despite the histrionics that cloud the truths he often notes.

The public is so brain wiped of common sense and a clear sense of moral duty to understand that, just as in all regimes where crimes against humanity are justified as "just following orders", there is no expectation in modern public discourse of questioning the obvious.
When Mike comes to those conclusions I also see that in doing so, not ever claiming to be a scientist, he prompts everyone to think for themselves.

Look at the term in the study which says,

"Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself."

They say in the report, which is the Salk Institute's evaluation of a study done in Xi'an,China, that the virus spike proteins are "those safely encoded by vaccines" which the study itself refutes, because it is the conclusion of the study that it is the spike protein which causes the damage. If the spike protein is causing the damage how could it be "safely encoded" in a vaccine? All of the wording used in the Salk Inst.'s report on a study is double-speak and easily recognized when we step back and look at what they are saying. It's classic diversion from the truth that is facing us

The proof of this is that all of the VAERS, Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, where by the governments own estimates the reporting of negative effects of medical treatments is merely 1%. The reports have noted that the increase in vascular injury from the current experimental shot is exponentially massive, especially in women now, with many miscarriages, abnormally high menstrual flows, abnormally thick blood clotting and even what shows as events akin to ablations within the uterine wall....which is frightening.


In the current, bio-engineered inoculation it is specifically the liposomal, nano-particulate wrapped envelope that protects the spike protein insertion into the cells, disrupting and destroying the mitochondrial ability to transfer energy thru the inner and intracellular mechanism of ATP. This is turning the immune system into a self-destructive mechanism, which one way or the other, is the truth of the overuse of vaccines in germ theory and not the proven system of strengthening the immune system itself naturally.

It is not the modern way of corporate guided and constricted science to adhere to their oath of ethics as physicians. In fact it is the modern day, hired bio-ethicicst's job in many academic settings to create the subterfuge needed to explain away the most unethical, inhumane and immoral trials and deployment of bio-weapons of all types into the public biome. As much as that is a contradiction of terms it is a statement of fact.

Those who use their status and credentials to lie, use words as their primary means of hiding the truth. This is why many of us use terms that may seem harsh when defining the true nature of subject material, but it is super necessary in order to challenge the falsehoods that dominate the public discourse.

There is no common ground amongst the corrupted industry in the medical world, for coming to those conclusions, even as not stating the obvious is a breach of the oath that says Do No Harm.

Just as the Nuremberg Code states that it is illegal to conduct experiments upon humans without their full consent, I see that any medical professional or salesperson who knowingly allows such bio-weapons to be spread, without their intervention or objection, is complicit in the crimes themselves. However, modern academia and especially the entire world of clinical medicine is void of ethical standards, when it comes to challenging the unethical use of medicine.

The Salk Int. evaluation of the Xi'an Jiatong University study is a prime example of the cancerous condition of modern science in the world, wherein a truth is revealed while deliberately being deceptive about another aspect of the subject.

I didn't expect any different outlook when I saw the Salk Inst.'s accurate summary of the Chinese study, just as I was not surprised to see them adding in the statement that the "vaccine", not the experiment as it is, had safely encapsulated the spike proteins in the gene therapy experiment now given to millions. The symptoms and diagnoses of the same outcomes of the current, corona virus, bio-weaponized as it is, and the current inoculations prove the inaccuracy of the statement.

[onawah]

Whistleblowers don't have the same kinds of advantages as Big Pharma and their cohorts.
When it's a case of David vs Goliath, your aim has to be very true to be effective.
So many times the mainstream press will take on such a controversy as this one by isolating one misstep on the part of a whistleblower and blow it all out of proportion, even lie, and then later go back to admit their "error", but by then, of course, the damage is done.
If a whistleblower is trying to reach a larger audience, not just the already well-informed, it's very important to aim true the first time, and not hope that a second chance will do the job.
Hopefully, with all the new studies coming out now from various experts in the field, the problem with spike proteins and the transmission of them will be too difficult to cover up much longer, but so much damage has already been done.
So I think some whistleblowers need to up their game.
There was a similar misstep on the part of many whistleblowers, who misused Bill Gates' admission that he was in favor of population control in India.
What he actually was careful to state was that vaccinations would increase the health and lifespan of the Indian people so that they would not have to continue reproducing so many children in order to get enough that would survive long enough to take care of their aging parents.
Of course, we know that Gates is not a humanitarian at all and he was obfuscating his real motives, but further obfuscation of what he actually said didn't reflect well on whistleblowers who tried to take a short cut to get to the real truth about Gates' motives.
Intelligent people will pick up on this kind of thing, and if they aren't intelligent enough to research further, that will only delay the day when they finally see the whole picture.
If the Hundredth Monkey principle still applies in these critical days, that still matters.

[EarthGirl]

Or is HE being controlled by some other force?




Boris is totally sold out to Klaus Schwab and friends.

Yup, sadly :flower:

[onawah]

Absolutely. It's not a matter of lack of damning information any longer, now it's a matter of the how far the mainstream media, etc. can continue to cover it up.



I didn't expect any different outlook when I saw the Salk Inst.'s accurate summary of the Chinese study, just as I was not surprised to see them adding in the statement that the "vaccine", not the experiment as it is, had safely encapsulated the spike proteins in the gene therapy experiment now given to millions. The symptoms and diagnoses of the same outcomes of the current, corona virus, bio-weaponized as it is, and the current inoculations prove the inaccuracy of the statement.

[Tintin]

Tempting as it was to start a new thread on this topic here is as appropriate a place as any.

Published on Vanessa Beeley's The Wall Will Fall website is a Bernician article (https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/05/09/repealed-genocide-act-2001-protects-british-officials-from-prosecution/) which can also be read in full here (https://www.thebernician.net/repealed-genocide-act-precludes-indicting-uk-government-officers-to-icc/).

For our purposes here this extract will suffice for now but is worthy read in its entirety.

Repealed Genocide Act (2001) protects British officials from prosecution

International Criminal Court Act 2001

Around three years later, on 01/09/2001, Tony Blair’s New Labour government sponsored the repeal of the Genocide Act 1969, by way of the enactment of the International Criminal Court Act 2001 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2001/17/contents).

Whilst the 2001 Act also adopted the definition of genocide in the 1948 Convention, the lack of a provision echoing the intent of Article IV was and remains treacherously conspicuous by its absence.

Ten days after the Act came into force, the 9/11 black-op was perpetrated on an unsuspecting public, which was immediately used as a pretext for wars of aggression in Afghanistan and then Iraq.

Lest we forget, the justification for the UK and its coalition partners invading Iraq was the Blair government’s ‘dodgy dossier’, which erroneously claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction with the capability of destroying Britain.

Had it not been for the 2001 Act implicitly rescinding the UK’s commitment to punish “constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals”, Blair and his accomplices might well have been indicted and tried at the ICC for crimes of genocide, when it became evidently apparent that their actions breached Article II (a), (b) and (c) of the Convention.

COVID-1984 Crimes
Fast forward two decades to COVID-1984 and the British People can bear witness to crimes of genocide never witnessed on these shores in any previous age.

Despite an abundance of prima facie evidence that Parliament has legislated for the current rogue regime to be held unaccountable for mass murder by government policy, there is currently no existing domestic legal mechanism by which government officers can be extradited by the International Criminal Court to be tried for their horrific crimes against the British people.

Therefore, the only potential remedy for bringing genocidal Officers of the Crown to justice is to lay a Private Criminal Prosecution for mass murder by government policy in a Common Law Court.

[Anna70]

The latest from Vernon Coleman link here (https://brandnewtube.com/watch/why-and-how-they-plan-to-kill-seven-billion_loR7dirywg1993R.html).

"Dr Coleman explains why it is important to see the big picture rather than to concentrate on small issues, and why we are now all in the "killing fields". He discusses Sustainable Development Goals, genocide and the various ways goverments are killing people and how they plan to reduce the world population to 500 million."

https://bnt-cdn.b-cdn.net/upload/videos/2021/05/x27Ll1GSV7rD3uFlTqn7_09_1457f14c248a14f844a8f2cda5ee70a6_video_480p_converted.mp4

https://bnt-cdn.b-cdn.net/upload/videos/2021/05/x27Ll1GSV7rD3uFlTqn7_09_1457f14c248a14f844a8f2cda5ee70a6_video_480p_converted.mp4

[Delight]

Well-known Russian Journalist, Tim Kirby, joins the program to discuss the similarities of Russian’s past to America today. Kirby, who grew up as an American in the poor outskirts of Cleveland, is one of the few people in the world who understands both America and Russia from the inside. He shares his knowledge of Russian history and how those brutal times during Russian’s revolutionary period is eerily similar to the United States today. What does this mean and how can we keep absolute tragedy from occurring? You can see more of Tim Kirby on his website at TimKirbyShow.com

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[JackMcThorn]

Hans Roslings Statistics demonstrate as nations become wealthier, they become healthier and life expectancy increases.
This is just a 4 minute quickie for the impatient. He has other videos relating to population if you are interested further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Any actions toward depopulation would simply not compete against 2-2.5 births to one death for the past decade. Evidence suggests the lack of 'flu' this past winter vs. Covid deaths is certainly interesting. The same amount of deaths are accounted for but reclassified as Covid. Not too mention the co-morbidity diagnosis aligned with Covid.

The numbers just do not add up. If depopulation was a plan of yesterday, we would be seeing more deaths than births at some point. If it is a plan of tomorrow, we will be seeing changes in the future; which many of you are watching.

How I feel about these sinister types behind closed doors meeting about the changes they would like to see regarding humanity just doesn't add up to even conventional problem solving. Even dirty. I think they rather throw money at problems and see what sticks than solve them. Meaning; these types are not conventional problem solvers.

Minks in Denmark, 15-17 million of them, were ordered to be culled due to Covid. All of the minks in Ireland were ordered to be culled as well but I could not find the number of how many. This is the kind of death numbers we would need to see if depopulation of humanity was indeed an ongoing operation.

We have a ways to go to see if depopulation is real and not a scare tactic. Many actions/inaction are driven by cultivated fears.

[EarthGirl]

I mentioned somewhere else that I've heard other folk comment on the fact they got 'greedy' this wasn't meant to happen until 2050, then 2030 and now 2020...

They are now so far into this plan they can't see any way of backing down...

Hasn't this been shown but the way they've thrown (printed what they need) cash at the 'jab' and because of social media we are now seeing what is happening in 'real time' the effects of this rushed decision for those for that went along blindly... so to speak... They can't hide it, no matter how many 'fact checker' sites they put up...

And then there are those who are just living in FEAR... That will kill a good few more...

Have you seen the 'Chatham House' prospectus they released recently on their vision for the future... Truly disturbing, sorry I haven't got t a link at present it was featured on one of the UK Column broadcasts recently....

There is a lot more I could say and I could probably word this better...




Hans Roslings Statistics demonstrate as nations become wealthier, they become healthier and life expectancy increases.
This is just a 4 minute quickie for the impatient. He has other videos relating to population if you are interested further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Any actions toward depopulation would simply not compete against 2-2.5 births to one death for the past decade. Evidence suggests the lack of 'flu' this past winter vs. Covid deaths is certainly interesting. The same amount of deaths are accounted for but reclassified as Covid. Not too mention the co-morbidity diagnosis aligned with Covid.

The numbers just do not add up. If depopulation was a plan of yesterday, we would be seeing more deaths than births at some point. If it is a plan of tomorrow, we will be seeing changes in the future; which many of you are watching.

How I feel about these sinister types behind closed doors meeting about the changes they would like to see regarding humanity just doesn't add up to even conventional problem solving. Even dirty. I think they rather throw money at problems and see what sticks than solve them. Meaning; these types are not conventional problem solvers.

Minks in Denmark, 15-17 million of them, were ordered to be culled due to Covid. All of the minks in Ireland were ordered to be culled as well but I could not find the number of how many. This is the kind of death numbers we would need to see if depopulation of humanity was indeed an ongoing operation.

We have a ways to go to see if depopulation is real and not a scare tactic. Many actions/inaction are driven by cultivated fears.

[onawah]

DR. CARRIE MADEJ – COVID SHOTS, DNA AND TRANSHUMANISM
May 9, 2021
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dr-carrie-madej-covid-shots-dna-and-transhumanism/

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"Dr Carrie Madej joins journalist, Alex Newman to discuss the transhumanist agenda behind the COVID vaccines. She speaks in a very approachable and straightforward way, that anybody can understand, in what is a deeper éxposé than she previously gave on the Alex Jones show of the transhumanist technologies that are being rolled out upon and within us without our informed consent.

As for SARS-CoV-2 she says, “There’s not been any Freedom of Information Act around the world that has ever produced an actual, bonafide specimen of the virus. It literally does not exist. We only have the code and that’s important to know.

“Nobody has the actual virus. Why is that? They’ve never answered that. So they can’t make the normal vaccine. It’s a recombinant code with a gene synthesis. That means they’re pushing together different types of genetic material, pushing them together like a Frankenstein puzzle and then, to fill in the missing blanks, they have an Artificial Intelligence computing program do that for them.”

What she says is that the shot contains various proteins, some found in the human placenta and sperm that can trigger an autoimmune response in the tissues that have those proteins.

So far, 18 subunits of HIV1 have been in the virus’ genetic code, causing the body to purposely produce the HIV1 virus. “Could this give you HIV or AIDS? Nobody has the answer to that. Only time will tell; years from now, we’ll know. But just know that people who have been tested for HIV after getting these vaccines…in Australia, they have been tested positive. So that is something to be very concerned about.

Also, SARS-CoV-2 (the mathematical model) contains a replica of human chromosome 8, which means that the WHO’s PCR test kits should find a positive result in all humans tested. More worryingly, chromosome 8 has to do with human intelligence and fertility. This means it could trigger an autoimmune response against a chromosome that codes for two of our most precious attributes as humans.

Pfizer and Moderna have also inserted an artificial nucleoside in the vaccine’s RNA called Pseudouridylyl or “Psi” for short, which is completely not from this world. Dr Madej says, “Nobody knows the ramifications of this…It can act as a computer hacker program. It can act as a one-way in, always to hack into the body…they say they’re suppressing our immune checkpoints so they can sneak in the code and our body won’t destroy it.

“Suppressing our immune checkpoints? Well, for how long? We need our immune system! Our immune system protects us from cancers and infections and toxins and all sorts of things…”

Dr Madej gets into a fascinating discussion of DARPA hydrogels, which contain nanobots and how these have the ability alter human genetics and create transhuman cyborgs. The military has been testing this technology for decades. It allows controllers to see through the soldiers’ eyes; they can communicate and program the brain, as well as know and “hear” the thoughts of the soldier.

The COVID nasal swabs have been studied as a delivery mechanism to deliver nano sized drugs directly into the brain. Speaking of which, here are some spectacular photos from a recent study of nasal swabs in Slovakia, which were found to deploy hydrogel-releasing hollow nylon fibers. After the DARPA hydrogel contacts organic fluids (eg saliva), the photos reveal that they quickly began to form rectangular crystal structures (apparent nano antennae). These structures were dissolved by COVID antibodies in one test and by Ivermectin in another.

The intended uses for these hydrogel nanobots include monitoring body movement, to mine a cryptocurrency based on human labor. During business owners meetings that Dr Madej attended in Atlanta, they stated plainly their intention to secretly implement this technology that can monitor and control the behavior of the populace, in conjunction with a Pavlovian social credit system and “Predictive Policing”.

Based on the meetings she attended and the scientific papers she read, the true agenda behind the vaccines is to bring about the first phase of transhumanism or what she calls “Human 2.0”, which is already being tested in West Africa, as we speak."

[Tintin]

I mentioned somewhere else that I've heard other folk comment on the fact they got 'greedy' this wasn't meant to happen until 2050, then 2030 and now 2020...

They are now so far into this plan they can't see any way of backing down...

Hasn't this been shown but the way they've thrown (printed what they need) cash at the 'jab' and because of social media we are now seeing what is happening in 'real time' the effects of this rushed decision for those for that went along blindly... so to speak... They can't hide it, no matter how many 'fact checker' sites they put up...

And then there are those who are just living in FEAR... That will kill a good few more...

Have you seen the 'Chatham House' prospectus they released recently on their vision for the future... Truly disturbing, sorry I haven't got t a link at present it was featured on one of the UK Column broadcasts recently....

There is a lot more I could say and I could probably word this better...




Hans Roslings Statistics demonstrate as nations become wealthier, they become healthier and life expectancy increases.
This is just a 4 minute quickie for the impatient. He has other videos relating to population if you are interested further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Any actions toward depopulation would simply not compete against 2-2.5 births to one death for the past decade. Evidence suggests the lack of 'flu' this past winter vs. Covid deaths is certainly interesting. The same amount of deaths are accounted for but reclassified as Covid. Not too mention the co-morbidity diagnosis aligned with Covid.

The numbers just do not add up. If depopulation was a plan of yesterday, we would be seeing more deaths than births at some point. If it is a plan of tomorrow, we will be seeing changes in the future; which many of you are watching.

How I feel about these sinister types behind closed doors meeting about the changes they would like to see regarding humanity just doesn't add up to even conventional problem solving. Even dirty. I think they rather throw money at problems and see what sticks than solve them. Meaning; these types are not conventional problem solvers.

Minks in Denmark, 15-17 million of them, were ordered to be culled due to Covid. All of the minks in Ireland were ordered to be culled as well but I could not find the number of how many. This is the kind of death numbers we would need to see if depopulation of humanity was indeed an ongoing operation.

We have a ways to go to see if depopulation is real and not a scare tactic. Many actions/inaction are driven by cultivated fears.

Yes, well remembered :highfive:

Jill referenced it here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset&p=1422835&viewfull=1#post1422835) on The Great Reset thread.

Futurescape London (https://futurescape.chathamhouse.org/?utm_source=chathamhouse.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=colab-piccadilly-2021&utm_content=ch-press-release)

[Bill Ryan]

There's a new thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114972-Something-very-significant-will-be-said-in-June-regarding-the-UAP-report) in which UFO filmmaker James Fox is interviewed about the much-anticipated and imminent formal UFO-related announcement in the US. The video is here on YouTube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1STnTck8GQ
Fox was asked if the phenomenon itself is intensifying, or whether there were now just more sensors that are able to pick up more incidents.

He responded at 23:55:

The phenomenon itself is intensifying.
I'd had that question myself. Because it all depends why the UFOs are here in such large numbers, with MANY more sightings and incidents since 1947 — no matter when they first appeared on Planet Earth.

The hypothesis I had was that if something is occurring here, or is about to occur, which affects the ETs' interests, then the phenomenon itself would surely be intensifying right now.

That suggests that the next good question might be:

Okay, what IS happening now that the ETs are so interested in?
I have a very skilled and gifted friend I've known for decades, whose ability and awareness I trust a very great deal. They told me a week ago that as far as they could perceive, the current covid and vaccination push is all fundamentally ET-directed. Even if it's humans that are doing it all.

This is a high-octane speculative stretch — but it MIGHT be the that the ETs (or some ETs), with an investment in all of Planet Earth and not just the human race, have taken some kind of action to (in their view) restore some kind of balance. And that MIGHT be all about depopulation.

Of course, the way they'd operate, if they wanted to 'cull the herd', would NOT be to land and start shooting people with ray guns. They'd be getting us to do it all ourselves.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

There is "UTOPIA" in depopulation.

depoPUlATIOn


(referring to this thread: "Re: They already told us the plan.")

[sunwings]

https://www.facebook.com/1654173554/posts/10222588235648639/

In this video, Dr. Rema Lalbow talks about a fake virus being created to desterilize the population using vaccines. It was recorded 11 years ago and at just 2 minutes long is terrifying to listen to.

[Sérénité]

So say the ‘vaccines’ main agenda is IS a population cull and intended to sterilise people...

Do you think this is to completely wipe out any future generations, or just severely limit the amount of babies to be born in years to come by only the non jabbed youths and those of child bearing age able to pro-create?

Im kind of torn about this.

On one side I do believe it’s a population cull, get rid of the elderly and sick...limit the babies being born for future generations by affecting fertility.
But then if only the ‘dissidents’ are left as they are the only ones saying no and not complying, wouldn’t that make any future generations to come, as the off spring of ‘dissidents’ therefore be a much harder population to control?

Just thinking aloud, but would love to hear anyone’s thoughts as I’m a bit confused over this part.

Is the plan for everyone to be sterilised and humanity on earth waned out gradually?
Or are they secretly hoping a lot won’t have the jabs so some form of procreation can continue to some extent?

Assuming that is what’s going on 🤔

[jaybee]

So say the ‘vaccines’ main agenda is IS a population cull and intended to sterilise people...

Do you think this is to completely wipe out any future generations, or just severely limit the amount of babies to be born in years to come by only the non jabbed youths and those of child bearing age able to pro-create?

Im kind of torn about this.

On one side I do believe it’s a population cull, get rid of the elderly and sick...limit the babies being born for future generations by affecting fertility.
But then if only the ‘dissidents’ are left as they are the only ones saying no and not complying, wouldn’t that make any future generations to come, as the off spring of ‘dissidents’ therefore be a much harder population to control?

Just thinking aloud, but would love to hear anyone’s thoughts as I’m a bit confused over this part.

Is the plan for everyone to be sterilised and humanity on earth waned out gradually?
Or are they secretly hoping a lot won’t have the jabs so some form of procreation can continue to some extent?

Assuming that is what’s going on 🤔


It's mind boggling trying to work it out - at the moment I'm thinking that if the Depopulation and Great Reset etc is a path leading to an infertile Transgender + Transhuman (mixed race?) future humanity.... they will have to get ALL babies and children having some sort of new style genetic modification jab a bit further down the line... and we see already they are keen to experiment on babies and children - and all the time are pushing the age group down to have the Covid Jab - after normalizing it for the elderly and vulnerable...

mission creep..?.... softly softly catchy monkey...?

But what about the 'vaccine' hesitants and the refusers...? That look like they could be around 20 - 30% of the population...maybe a bit more (pure guesswork on this figure)... I suppose creating a new Virus crisis and making the jab mandatory would knock that figure down if the coercion doesn't work well enough...

So far I've had two phone calls, two letters and two texts 'inviting' and urging me to make an appointment for the 'vaccine' - then I had a letter from Imperial College London from a Lord and a Professor (and a managing director) inviting me to take part in an 'incredibly important' home anti body test that involves a pin prick test - when I ignored it - it was followed up with two texts urging me to take part....

Apparently I was chosen randomly... but of course I'm a bit paranoid that it wasn't random but connected with me being a Refuser... well an Ignorer would be more accurate...

Are they after info and DNA from the Ignorer/ Refuser Group..? hmmmmm -

Maybe they will design us our very own virus... :) - dunno - it's not funny really but this whole situation is off the chart insane -

What could possibly go wrong... :(

I'm just thinking aloud as well...

:thumbsup:

[melissanederland]

Hey Bill,

This is my first comment, but I wanted to mention that I think about the release of a more serious virus I.e. ebola in order to reduce population quite a lot because it is quite a scary notion. The only consolation for me as to why this may not be viable is why would the powers at be release something so horrible that they themselves or their family/loved ones could get and die from? Seems too inconvenient unless they hoard a cure no one knows about.

[gord]

Re: "vaccine hesitant"

Perhaps "vaccine he$itant" will become a new entry in The Diagno$tic and $tati$tical Manual of Mental Disorder$, and require, ahem, pharmaceutical adjustment$ and the accompanying chronic payment$.

[pyrangello]

Right now I would have to say that many of us suck as caretakers of the earth . Not so much individuals but government and corporate. I believe the earth has the resources to feed the population 3 times what it is now, we just don't have the self discipline to make that happen. Instead of fossil fuels at this point we should be concentrating on a worldwide landfill project for all countries to properly dispose of garbage, it would create jobs and infrastructure to a smaller degree but would be a win, win for humanity, earth and the ocean and animals. It could stop the pollution in the oceans super fast and help with hygiene in many countries. Manage the garbage, help clean the ocean and put an immediate stop to cutting down the rain forest, like today , right now. Then we can deal with fossil fuels. Problem is to many political agendas, money, corruption, ect ect. So what's the path of least resistance? Get rid of the people who consume and unfortunately what they teach in west point if some good has to be sacrificed for a greater good , then so be it, I believe this is where we are at now. Only the psychopaths are running the show with even more diabolical agendas then ever before. I never really believed in de-population but I do now and yes I think this is phase one, an experimental shot called a vaccine.

[chrifri]

The control of dissidents should not be a problem.

In any case, with a lot less people, due to the actual jabs and maybe new viruses, the control of a "few" dissidents should not be a challenge for those that want to control the minority.

The way I see it, is that from now to 2030, there will be considerable reduction of the world population, mainly in the northern part of the Americas, Europe, Australia and some Middle Eastern countries.

Basically the countries that use almost entirely the mRNA and DNA jabs. I believe that the Deagel forecast for 2025 is correct and based on plans that already existed years ago (including the use of viruses and jabs like the mRNA/DNA ones)

Of course, part of the considerable reduction of the population in countries on the Northern Hemisphere could be due to the mini ice age and migration from the North to the South.

However, if I remember correctly, according to the Deagel 2025 forecast, possible countries to migrate to, have, according to the forecast, more or less the same number of total population in 2025 as in 2015. In other words, some kind of a considerable reduction should happen in the next months and years.

Maybe in a couple of years, there will be some 5 to 15% of the total, reduced, world population, living outside the cities with almost no technology. Not a stone age kind of environment, but a lot less advanced from a technology point of view, than today.

The rest will live in cities and possibly will be more like cyborgs than humans.

The reduction of the overall world population might free up areas for the use of other entities, which are not yet visibly present here on earth

[Sérénité]

Thanks, I just wanted to put it out there as I’ve a hundred questions in my head.

It helps to hear what others trail of thought on it is.

Gut instinct for me, I feel like this is stage 1 of ‘something’.
Whilst the masses are thinking this is nearly over and we will get back to normal soon, I can’t help but think this ‘virus’ and the virus response is only the warm up to a main event?

[Satori]

Thanks, I just wanted to put it out there as I’ve a hundred questions in my head.

It helps to hear what others trail of thought on it is.

Gut instinct for me, I feel like this is stage 1 of ‘something’.
Whilst the masses are thinking this is nearly over and we will get back to normal soon, I can’t help but think this ‘virus’ and the virus response is only the warm up to a main event?

“Whilst the masses are thinking this is nearly over and we will get back to normal soon......”. That is almost exactly what a colleague of mine said to me today. He’s close to 35 years my junior.

He and I spoke often in the office before CV. (BCV) He would come into my office and pick my brain about a legal matter, which always led to other more interesting conversations about other things. But after CV (ACV) everyone in our office, like most people every where, started working from home. Thus, until just the last 2 weeks, I’ve not spoken to him. This is true for me, and also everyone else in the office. People we used to visit with almost everyday, we haven’t visited with for nearly 18 months.

But back to the point: when we bumped into each other at the office today, we each said something like “Hi, how ya doing?” Then he said “Pretty good, looks like things are getting back to normal.” Or words to that effect. I then said, without even dwelling on it, but almost reactively “Oh really? Looks like we live on a different world.” We did not say anything to each other thereafter.

I should add, that we bumped into each other on the way to the men’s room. As a general rule men, ie, “non-birthing persons” (jeeez), don’t talk to each other in the lavatory. Which likely explains our silence, in part at least. But I felt that he did not want to discuss the topic further. I respect that. Nor did I really.

I’ve noticed very clearly this distancing, actually a wedge, being driven between people. Not just in my office, but in the community at large. This is part of the program. The most damaging wedge in process, at the moment, is the vax, the jab, the gene therapy, the.....?

But even this wedge is a prelude to what is coming. What is coming is their real agenda. If we think WEF and the “Great Reset”, and all the players and such that go along with that, we will be in the right track.

As bleak as this sounds, all is not even close to lost. Unite. Unite in a common cause and effort, especially locally. We’ve got to go back. Listen and enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF_JC6RBO74.

[chrifri]

Yes, it really seems to be a warm up.

Fukushima and pouring tons of radioactive water into the ocean on a daily basis, the chemtrails and China building huge cities without anybody living there, got me to the conclusion that this might be happening in order to prepare the environment for other entities that need a more radioactive/toxic environment to feel well and to prosper.

Apart from 2 exceptions, I cannot remember having seen chemtrails south of the Equator.

Is it a coincidence that Fukushima, chemtrails and so on, occur in the same places/countries where governments are pushing hard to get its population to accept the mRNA/DNA jabs?

Maybe it is. But what, if the experimental (at least for us) medical (toxic) treatment is part of the preparation for an environment which is more friendly to others?

What if it is to get more space for them? What if the jab/vaxx are to make humans somehow more toxic and therefore to make it easier for them to have us around? What if the jabs are to inject nanobots that can be activated at any time, via the existing IT/Telecom infrastructure, in order to help them to control/manage the remaining ones?

Seems like science fiction? Maybe it is.

[s7e6e]

The chemtrails occurrence is so much more pronounced in the northern hemisphere because the biggest population densities are there: Europe, Indo-China and Middle East. In the southern hemisphere you have most of Africa and South America.

The rest of the islands, including AU, NZ and NC are negligible, population density wise but they do spray here as well.

[Eva2]

https://www.facebook.com/1654173554/posts/10222588235648639/

In this video, Dr. Rema Lalbow talks about a fake virus being created to desterilize the population using vaccines. It was recorded 11 years ago and at just 2 minutes long is terrifying to listen to.

Here's an Anthony Patch video from 2013 talking about the fake virus and vaccines - its been an "in your face" thing for many years.

https://www.librti.com/page/view-video?id=405&fbclid=IwAR0U4oUUDKtX5MuLfhE2HRvfmWWfzF7Lqx-ybgPyK9ZvbKlX4Ptd4SqmBQg

[Merkaba360]

But here is my big bewilderment for this situation. I agree that ET's are at least partly pushing what happens on earth. So, if humans are just a bunch of retarded rejects who are dangerous and trash planets, why wouldn't they just stop us 100s of years ago before we ballooned in population? Is that because they can't directly be involved and they needed us to develop an interconnected network so that they could hijack it and push depopulation covertly via technology? Maybe in the past, wars and pandemics were their best means but it doesn't slow us down much. What do you think?

here, we will sed you on this planet and if things dont go our way we wipe you out. great. Maybe we are on a prison planet for poor behaving souls. Maybe thats why we are looked at as unimportant low lives. lol

Or do we have some degree of protection that means they are limited in their ways they can manipulate. Seems they need to get us to do it to ourselves. But jesus, ET's should have way more awareness and intelligence than us. That would be like me tricking a 5 year old to do something and then say, gee, its not my fault the 5 yr old did it to himself. Yea its annoying how ignorant many humans are but we are adolescent, can't be anything new in the universe.

It really annoys me that the people have no representatives that can see whats going on in the big picture. How do we gather the will of the people to demand that we have a say in all of this. We can't form a real opinion if we can't see the dang big picture. If I could at least speak with some high level being in the universe to explain to me why I/we have no rights in this matter would be nice. I guess the only way is to meditate our butts off and go to higher frequencies and start exerting will to get answers. Why are no astral projectors able to get any answers?

[Bill Ryan]

But here is my big bewilderment for this situation. I agree that ET's are at least partly pushing what happens on earth. So, if humans are just a bunch of retarded rejects who are dangerous and trash planets, why wouldn't they just stop us 100s of years ago before we ballooned in population? Is that because they can't directly be involved and they needed us to develop an interconnected network so that they could hijack it and push depopulation covertly via technology? Maybe in the past, wars and pandemics were their best means but it doesn't slow us down much. What do you think?

Richard Dolan made a video about exactly this question a week ago. It's pretty interesting. He says that he feels he may be the only UFO researcher who's really thinking about these big questions, but of course yours truly (though hardly mainline!) has been looking at all this for years.

Inspiringly, it's called Human Extinction and UFOs. (But Rich is quick to point out all this embraces many more possibilities than that.)

The meat of the video starts at 17:30. One can begin there and not miss anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0yxTLD8rGQ

Regarding my own thoughts, I started these two threads in 2012 and 2014 respectively. I believe the questions raised there are still absolutely valid.


From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&highlight=ultimate)
THE ULTIMATE PLAN (a fairy story... maybe) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&highlight=ultimate)

[Ratszinger]

Correct me if I'm wrong but what if they really are the "Watchers" or "Guardians" or whatever term given from old? What if they know the bipedal species here is periodically flushed and 'mutated' by necessity thanks to them as the cycles of the sun change and they just know the cycles? Perhaps that explains all the various skull types, and past finds of hominids that were found, obvious high cultures found and the various sizes of both the man animal in charge and animals they lived around? Maybe we're on the verge for the old cycle, the one we're in now, to end? Maybe the new cycle begins, and they know it, they come in, witness, watch from the sides and do clean up after mothering the new species to life to be the next biped to roam in a new age? That would explain a lot, and also how the earth deals with a parasite by simply being cleansed of it every 12,000 or so years. ?? Just pondering of course based on other theories.

[TomKat]

Years ago I heard, probably from a Coast radio guest, that the European Black Death was not caused by rats. He said there were reports of people arriving in a town dressed in strange garb and SPRAYING the population, followed by an infestation. This could fit with the idea that aliens or a breakaway civilization or even time travellers were culling the European population. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything with a search.

[Ratszinger]

Years ago I heard, probably from a Coast radio guest, that the European Black Death was not caused by rats. He said there were reports of people arriving in a town dressed in strange garb and SPRAYING the population, followed by an infestation. This could fit with the idea that aliens or a breakaway civilization or even time travellers were culling the European population. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything with a search.

When I was in college I wrote a paper about that and what it was a suspicion and fear of cats and people all over began this mass trend of killing cats which of course ate the rats, which no longer had a predator to control them and one thing led to another and the rats brought fleas and the fleas brought plague!

[Sérénité]

I watched the video. I never thought about this all having an alien agenda behind it till you mentioned this Bill.

But it does make sense to me now...

It would be nice to think in a perfect world the bad ones do go off world and take all their cronies with them...
then good guys step in and let those left get back to rebuilding a peaceful & happy world at one with nature instead of against it and each other...
I guess with every bad faction trying to manipulate us, there is also good trying to counter balance this out?
Can someone have a word with the good ETs maybe and tell them this is a good time to lend a hand ha!

A girl can dream 😊

[AutumnW]

I guess with every bad faction trying to manipulate us, there is also good trying to counter balance this out?
Can someone have a word with the good ETs maybe and tell them this is a good time to lend a hand ha!

A girl can dream 😊

Major conjecture alert. This is how 'they' lend a hand. There has been plenty of behind the scenes soft contact through the last few decades and nothing came of it, in terms of warning about nuclear devastation and planetary devastation, destruction of oceans, etc...So, they bump up surveillance and make it very very obvious to the military--to the point that they can't ignore it anymore--plus the ET's want disclosure to the general public. The message there is, "you think this is bad? Disclose immediately, or we ramp things up. Next step is out and out invasion."

Oh, and btw, that virus problem we just had, the implicit message there is..."you think this is bad? Clean up your act, or you're in for germ phase 2"

[TomKat]

Well this whole vaccination nonsense reveals to me that this world is a dictatorship, and it is the job of various governments to make it appear otherwise. Some US states are paying people to get vaccinated. If they don't get the vaccination rate they want, they will be forced to remove the democratic veneer and mandate vaccines, revealing the true form of government and any pretence of a social contract.

[Bubu]

It buffles me why a non deadly virus is used and try to kill people with vaccine instead of using a real deadly virus then kill more with vaccine? Are they really trying to kill people? or maybe kill selectively? anyone has a clue?

[Pam]

It buffles me why a non deadly virus is used and try to kill people with vaccine instead of using a real deadly virus then kill more with vaccine? Are they really trying to kill people? or maybe kill selectively? anyone has a clue?

It makes more sense if you look at it from the perspective of the kind of energy they want us to generate and for how long. When I say use the term "they" I am not referring to humans alone here. The method they are using of cruelty, gaslighting, lies and deceit will generate low vibration energy much longer than a quick kill. When you are a junkie it is always best to make your stash last as long as you can because withdrawals are a bitch. That was a good question, Bubu.

[Bill Ryan]

It buffles me why a non deadly virus is used and try to kill people with vaccine instead of using a real deadly virus then kill more with vaccine? Are they really trying to kill people? or maybe kill selectively? anyone has a clue?I've written about this on my personal Q&A thread. I strongly suspect the virus release was a mistake or an accident (which probably happened in early 2019, maybe not even in China). And that would perfectly explain the initial chaos and lack of coordinated response by all the various authorities, including the WHO and a bunch of national governments, all chasing one way and then the other like the Keystone Kops. :)

But after a few months, they got their act together, and (I suspect) some high-level decision was made to make this THE OPPORTUNITY to roll out "The Plan". And because the virus wasn't usually all that serious (though it was a real thing, and would definitely be a problem to some people), they had to


inflate the numbers,
suppress or censor authentic inexpensive treatment protocols, and
make the vaccine the killer, not the virus.

To me, all that makes a very sobering amount of logical sense.

[Hermoor]

Alluding to your third point Bill.

I have pondered on the general population actually being seen as the virus. And the vaccine as a way of eradicating them. The media reported virus being the excuse to get the whole evil show on the road, so to speak.

It was a short ponder and not the slightest bit pleasant. Afterwards I had to go outside, feed the birds in my garden and socialise with them for a lengthy period to clear my mind and put it in a strong, healthy place again.

[Merkaba360]

Correct me if I'm wrong but what if they really are the "Watchers" or "Guardians" or whatever term given from old? What if they know the bipedal species here is periodically flushed and 'mutated' by necessity thanks to them as the cycles of the sun change and they just know the cycles? Perhaps that explains all the various skull types, and past finds of hominids that were found, obvious high cultures found and the various sizes of both the man animal in charge and animals they lived around? Maybe we're on the verge for the old cycle, the one we're in now, to end? Maybe the new cycle begins, and they know it, they come in, witness, watch from the sides and do clean up after mothering the new species to life to be the next biped to roam in a new age? That would explain a lot, and also how the earth deals with a parasite by simply being cleansed of it every 12,000 or so years. ?? Just pondering of course based on other theories.

I've had similar thoughts. I think for sure the pisces age is ending, so there is at least a ~2000 year shift, like when pisces began and they had to stomp out paganism and give rise to the piscean type religions. In order to do that , I suppose they need to shake things up to some degree. Perhaps depopulation is a head fake (although it doesnt seem to be given recent events). Perhaps they just need some death and chaos to shift the system to the aquarian age (installing a new religion and technocracy, etc.)

Just as our bodies needed to multiply trillions of cells to make a functional human system, it seems that at some point a self aware species needs to multiply enough to create the higher order entity, whatever that is. So it doesn't seem like the goal of the universe is to just keep tearing down the apex species. Maybe it just is result of not being successful in growing into the next level. It doesnt seem like those past civilizations that were wiped out ever got to 8 billion population. So, that leaves me a bit more optimistic that this time is different.

The humans are a virus/parasite view is quite annoying to me. OF course thats how the negative ones are going to see it who listen to the devil over their shoulder instead of the angel. lol But viruses, we dont even know that they are what they say they are. And they arent even living and have no higher level self awareness to mature like we can like going thru puberty. Parasites don't really have a choice to do something else. We are capable of changing. Its such a stupid comparison given that we have way way more degrees of freedom than a parasite with our complex minds and creative abilities. The view is even more silly if we have some entities who are parasiting off of our energy, lowering our awareness. lol

[Agape]

I have developed new hypothesis regarding the coronavirus pandemics today.

In few points.

The virus may have been irradiated before it was released that’s how it started to replicate and mutate so rapidly.

Irradiation fosters replication process in simple cellular organisms what to speak of viruses.

The odds this would happen naturally are rather low.

It requires laboratory conditions, this virus could only be released as bioweapon.


No I don’t believe that China has done it or anyone we know of.


Chinese regime has its long standing enemies in the Far East,
call them the 5 Dragons club.

What Chinese government does not admit in open is that they’ve been in war with the Dragon syndicate and threatened annihilation and war,
for their crimes against Humanity.

Of course China will never admit that.

The virus was possibly activated in one of the submarine labs of third party, location unknown and sent to Wuhan on fishing boat.


Furthering my budding hypothesis ...

the virus contains traces of reptile DNA that proves either agonistic or antagonistic with human immunity system, in short, it either paralysis the system and its immunity response or provokes severe immune reaction.

The explanation for may rest somewhere in human prehistory not currently revealed in textbooks but perhaps about half of today’s populace carry a gene or two coming from times when humans and giant reptiles lived along each other on Earth.
Those carrying traces of this “old gene” could be more tolerant and immune to actions of the virus - unless they die from grief.


Tragically enough, the inventors of Covid never invented anti-dote.


The story- my hypothesis - ends up in deluge here.

Where is that special fish oil from Pete Peterson ?



🙈🙉🙊

[Donald Ryan]

Yes. . .go hang with the birds in the garden. I think I'll go there now. Cheers!

[uzn]

False Flag "COVID-19 Pandemic" Depopulation Program Exposed Iatrogenic Death Cult - Dr. Ben Edwards

60VGiW0cXDc

[Hermoor]

Oh man. And wow.

I'm currently listening to the Kev Baker Show live on TFR.

Kev is playing clips of a retired Indian army major-general. He is absolutely going off his rocker. Most eloquently and passionately so, actually. He's spitting mad and not pulling his punches in the slightest. Goodness, never heard anything like it in all my days!

For me at least his info merits further research.

[Hym]

Hermoor. If you could post access to that specific show with the Indian army major general, we'd love to hear it.
Thank You, Hymn

[Hermoor]

Hermoor. If you could post access to that specific show with the Indian army major general, we'd love to hear it.
Thank You, Hymn

Sure Hym. I'll post a link up to the full show in due course and fish about to get time stamps.

He sounded very sincere, experienced and well informed. And vocally and emotionally he was only a whisker off going fully berserk!

Just another tangle in the Gordian knot. These people move in mysterious ways at the best of times. We all know that.

It's when he got so angry that he alluded to his nation's nuclear capabilities that I thought "Oh dear. The plot just really thickened here."

[Hym]

Cool. Thanks, Hermoor.

[Hermoor]

I'm still listening to Kev Baker live. But after a brief hunt, I think (yet to be confirmed) that Kev took his clips of Major General Bakshi from here. I've also seen clips of Major General Bakshi on TedX talks so again, discernment is everything as these people often move in the weirdest of ways and fuzziest of circles.

After 3'50" odd of fairly engaging pre-amble the Major General comes on and gradually gets angrier and angrier. It's about 20 minutes long and very engaging throughout.

http://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/chinas-coronavirus-weaponisation-report-fuels-questions-on-covids-resurgence-mutants.html

[Hermoor]

Well, well, well.

I'd thoroughly recommend listening to the full 20 minute video for those interested in news and points we don't otherwise hear about much, if at all.

In the early days of this monstrosity David Icke pointed out the virus seemed to have a watch, calendar and map. Major General Bakshi reiterates exactly the same points in much detail.

The timing, days and movements of this thing are 100% unnatural, there is no other conclusion to be drawn.

Also the Major General insightfully points out that certain Chinese characters involved in the covid abomination (going back years) were also in the neighbourhoods of the ebola trouble in Africa and the Zika virus trouble too!

I mean, that many coincidences all peppering the same general ball parks can't possibly be coincidental. And they thicken the plot enormously.

Good grief. What a mess!!!

[Bubu]

It buffles me why a non deadly virus is used and try to kill people with vaccine instead of using a real deadly virus then kill more with vaccine? Are they really trying to kill people? or maybe kill selectively? anyone has a clue?

It makes more sense if you look at it from the perspective of the kind of energy they want us to generate and for how long. When I say use the term "they" I am not referring to humans alone here. The method they are using of cruelty, gaslighting, lies and deceit will generate low vibration energy much longer than a quick kill. When you are a junkie it is always best to make your stash last as long as you can because withdrawals are a bitch. That was a good question, Bubu.

I think you have a good point. maybe the negative energy emanating from the victims is also important to "them" non-humans for reason we don't know and for the human faction for a good laugh. Could be something deeper. My mind is lazy at the moment though.

[Hermoor]

If they killed many folks off very quickly with a nasty virus?

For a start a very stinky rat would be smelled by virtually everyone. And there'd still be more than enough numbers to do the storming of the Bastille thing, precisely the response they fear most.

There are many other angles going on within the same theoretical framework.

There's some kind of slow kill going on here. Or at least virtual zombiefication over a long period.

The last thing they want is masses of able folks with nothing to lose... who'll do the storming of the Bastille thing.

[Bubu]

If they killed many folks off very quickly with a nasty virus?

For a start a very stinky rat would be smelled by virtually everyone. And there'd still be more than enough numbers to do the storming of the Bastille thing, precisely the response they fear most.

There are many other angles going on within the same theoretical framework.

There's some kind of slow kill going on here. Or at least virtual zombiefication over a long period.

The last thing they want is masses of able folks with nothing to lose... who'll do the storming of the Bastille thing.

The masses are not questioning the overly absurd covid narratives, what makes you think they will question a real deadly virus killing a lot in a short time?

[greybeard]

They did not need to concoct a deadly virus which would have been out of control and kill some of their own families.
All they had to do was wait for the seasonal flu and amp up the fear.
This so called, virus has killed roughly the same as a seasonal flu -- who would be really scared of that?

So they were well prepared for the inevitable --the seasonal flu.
Then the fear mongering -- fear kills.
Isolation kills
Lack of medical intervention kills
Depression leads to suicide.

The weapon is the vaccine and fear -- that is controllable.
So many real shots, so many placebos.

They love to be in control.
A real virus bio weapon is indiscriminate.
The Canal could not control that -- they need to know the end result in advance.
Many years planning this -- nothing left to chance.
Chris

[jaybee]

They did not need to concoct a deadly virus which would have been out of control and kill some of their own families.
All they had to do was wait for the seasonal flu and amp up the fear.
This so called, virus has killed roughly the same as a seasonal flu -- who would be really scared of that?

So they were well prepared for the inevitable --the seasonal flu.
Then the fear mongering -- fear kills.
Isolation kills
Lack of medical intervention kills
Depression leads to suicide.

The weapon is the vaccine and fear -- that is controllable.
So many real shots, so many placebos.

They love to be in control.
A real virus bio weapon is indiscriminate.
The Canal could not control that -- they need to know the end result in advance.
Many years planning this -- nothing left to chance.
Chris

Well put Chris - thanks

The only thing I would say different is that at the moment I think SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab and seeded around the world in 2019 - so that in 2020 it would look like it was more virulent and quicker spreading then it is... and could be labeled a pandemic...

I even suspect sometimes that it could partly have been deliberately spread in the regular flu vaccines... a batch here and a batch there....

When I had it in December 2019... (can't prove I did but I'm as sure as I can be that I did...) I caught it off my Mom who is in a Care Home and she and all the residents and staff had the flu vaccine and then all got a bad virus that caused severe coughing and chest problems (that eventually cleared up after a few weeks)... at the time I thought the timing of it indicated that they all got it from the flu vaccine....

When I got ill at the beginning of Dec 2019 I said that I felt like I'd been hit with a biological weapon... and this was before the whole coronavirus thing kicked off - there was something about the quality of the virus that my body sensed was un-natural..

Like you said the Cabal Crowd don't want something so severe and out of control that they or their family get it... also I think although they want to destroy the economy and society as we know it - and they DO want chaos up to a point - they don't want to take everything from large numbers of people and leave them with nothing to lose because then they (the cabal) would probably be hunted down and lynched... their own security teams even turning against them...

[greybeard]

Yes it is complex jabee.
There is every possibility that the flu injection in previous years --weakened the immune system
This makes those who go for vaccines susceptible to the next regular flu episode and there can even be the possibility of extreme reaction, called cytokine storm.
Heaven help those vaccinated --weakened immune system -- next time there is any "bug" doing its rounds.
All this is predictable --thus within the Cabal plan.
We have been set up!!!
Chris

[Bubu]

They did not need to concoct a deadly virus which would have been out of control and kill some of their own families.
All they had to do was wait for the seasonal flu and amp up the fear.
This so called, virus has killed roughly the same as a seasonal flu -- who would be really scared of that?

So they were well prepared for the inevitable --the seasonal flu.
Then the fear mongering -- fear kills.
Isolation kills
Lack of medical intervention kills
Depression leads to suicide.

The weapon is the vaccine and fear -- that is controllable.
So many real shots, so many placebos.

They love to be in control.
A real virus bio weapon is indiscriminate.
The Canal could not control that -- they need to know the end result in advance.
Many years planning this -- nothing left to chance.
Chris

excellent point Chris, I will settle for that as an answer to my puzzlement, for now:)

[jaybee]

Yes it is complex jabee.
There is every possibility that the flu injection in previous years --weakened the immune system
This makes those who go for vaccines susceptible to the next regular flu episode and there can even be the possibility of extreme reaction, called cytokine storm.
Heaven help those vaccinated --weakened immune system -- next time there is any "bug" doing its rounds.
All this is predictable --thus within the Cabal plan.
We have been set up!!!
Chris


yes it is complex - that's why it's hard to have a conversation about it all with someone who has had no exposure to the info we have - they have no idea what so ever about what's going on - and that's why they can't wait to have the jab, believe the MSM, trust the government and their 'experts'..... and why they are ruled by the fear mongering -

If I was in charge of reducing the world population :) ..... I would definitely avoid murdering millions/billions of people - and creating unnecessary suffering -

I've had a think about it and have come up with a plan.....

What about paying people to get sterilized... like a really decent sum of money.... on a sliding scale

so someone who is sure they don't want children gets the most - maybe around £150,000 - £250,000

someone who has one child then decides to get sterilized (male or female) could get around £100,000 - £150,000

someone who has two children about £50,000 - £100.000

someone who has three children £25,000

Anyway - you get the picture - the carrot not stick approach - :) - this could also help eradicate poverty and stimulate the economy... so of course it won't be popular with the Cabal Freaks...

I expect someone in the Slums in India would feel quite attracted to having a hundred thousand pounds or so... depending on how many children they want to have -

I expect there's some kind of economic reason my little plan might be difficult but for heaven's sake the depopulation plan they've got going isn't exactly easy and my plan could be cheaper in the long run...

And more humane...

Fun even.... with more money sloshing around -

But we know that the Power Junkies don't want to share power and wealth so they wouldn't like a plan like that -

:thumbsup:

[Merkaba360]

yep, there are saner ways to control the population by reasoning with people and offering benefits. Which means, this is really about CONTROLLING the population. We need a lot of people to innovate and fund really hard and big projects to become multi-planetary. Which points to the ET's, because they are already beyond this small rock and have no need for that. The black project humans have probably already got the tech they need in secret and are close to automation, thus getting on with the plan of "we dont need billions of humans to reach the stars" since we have developing AI and automation.

Perhaps they have a goal to kill off 1 billion people by 2030. In 10 years they should be able to replace that many jobs with machines. Their end of the world fearmongering may be an exaggeration to overly scare us, perhaps they want to make it a slower decline over the next 30-50 years, giving them time to replace the workforce and develop AGI or ASI = Artificial Super Intelligence.

I sure hope a few holes in the damn break open soon. We need a bit more brought out in the light so we can have a better shot at predicting the plans for earth.

[Hermoor]

The masses are not questioning the overly absurd covid narratives, what makes you think they will question a real deadly virus killing a lot in a short time?

People ARE questioning the current situation. The tide IS gradually turning. The likes of you and I just see these things in frustrated, bemused slo-mo because our tides already turned a long time ago.

With something much nastier? A big tide would turn really quick. A lot of unobservant folks would figure it out quick. Needs must and when your nearest and dearest start dropping like flies, then folk get needy real fast.

[Agape]

Yes it is complex jabee.
There is every possibility that the flu injection in previous years --weakened the immune system
This makes those who go for vaccines susceptible to the next regular flu episode and there can even be the possibility of extreme reaction, called cytokine storm.
Heaven help those vaccinated --weakened immune system -- next time there is any "bug" doing its rounds.
All this is predictable --thus within the Cabal plan.
We have been set up!!!
Chris


Yes and the “best treatment” they came up with are immunosuppressives with names that should not be better mentioned.

My mum was taking similar stuff for years post her Pancras-kidney transplantation that was life saving decision,
however they’ve poisoned her by strong dose of “wrong immunosuppressive” right at start, they’re strong poisons and not everyone can tolerate them well.

They have endless side effects other than suppressing your immunity.


Medical industry has been infiltrated by grey agendas and some merciless drone like people, that includes some doctors and nurses but more of those generals sitting on the top.

I’ve quit my medical studies and left to India, 30 years ago for the very same reason, I saw all the nightmare going on in hospital wards , short competences and also incompetence of medical professionals causing hurt-
if there are 20 golden people in the ward and one bad apple the bad Apple will still take lives, regardless.

And I don’t believe it’s not happening now on big scale and they’re basically getting rid of the trouble of treating people individually or applying appropriate natural remedies alongside,
even China performed better under those circumstances testing the best but least harmful means available.
Say you want to kill virus but not the patient.


🙏

[gord]

If they killed many folks off very quickly with a nasty virus?

For a start a very stinky rat would be smelled by virtually everyone. And there'd still be more than enough numbers to do the storming of the Bastille thing, precisely the response they fear most.

There are many other angles going on within the same theoretical framework.

There's some kind of slow kill going on here. Or at least virtual zombiefication over a long period.

The last thing they want is masses of able folks with nothing to lose... who'll do the storming of the Bastille thing.

The masses are not questioning the overly absurd covid narratives, what makes you think they will question a real deadly virus killing a lot in a short time?

They need to understand that what's really going on right now is the roll-out of a new and improved illusion. If you dig deeply enough, it's not tough to see that some variant of a new and improved illusion is rolled out at the cusp of every age. It's been going on for a long time.

[Hermoor]

They did not need to concoct a deadly virus which would have been out of control and kill some of their own families.
All they had to do was wait for the seasonal flu and amp up the fear.
This so called, virus has killed roughly the same as a seasonal flu -- who would be really scared of that?

So they were well prepared for the inevitable --the seasonal flu.
Then the fear mongering -- fear kills.
Isolation kills
Lack of medical intervention kills
Depression leads to suicide.

The weapon is the vaccine and fear -- that is controllable.
So many real shots, so many placebos.

They love to be in control.
A real virus bio weapon is indiscriminate.
The Canal could not control that -- they need to know the end result in advance.
Many years planning this -- nothing left to chance.
Chris

A very nasty virus becomes highly problematical when you're insane enough to challenge the whole world with it. A lot more problematical than the current one, around which the desired efficacy is already falling to pieces.

Everyone evil wanted to survive it would have to be inoculated beforehand. A tremendously difficult thing to do, even just keeping it a secret would be virtually impossible. And would the inoculation really work? Never 100%, not even close.

And the way these klutzes go about their business they'd invariably end up killing most of themselves off too. Mother Nature would eventually outsmart them, she always does. And they'd turn on each other something chronic too, I'd wager.

Yeah, nasty viruses are proper indiscriminate. Back to talk of the Bastille again.

The traditional 'flu season' was good camouflage for their wickedness, that's for sure. Very obvious and unfortunately very effective.

[Hermoor]

The only thing I would say different is that at the moment I think SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab and seeded around the world in 2019 - so that in 2020 it would look like it was more virulent and quicker spreading then it is... and could be labeled a pandemic...

I even suspect sometimes that it could partly have been deliberately spread in the regular flu vaccines... a batch here and a batch there....

When I had it in December 2019... (can't prove I did but I'm as sure as I can be that I did...) I caught it off my Mom who is in a Care Home and she and all the residents and staff had the flu vaccine and then all got a bad virus that caused severe coughing and chest problems (that eventually cleared up after a few weeks)... at the time I thought the timing of it indicated that they all got it from the flu vaccine....

When I got ill at the beginning of Dec 2019 I said that I felt like I'd been hit with a biological weapon... and this was before the whole coronavirus thing kicked off - there was something about the quality of the virus that my body sensed was un-natural..

Like you said the Cabal Crowd don't want something so severe and out of control that they or their family get it... also I think although they want to destroy the economy and society as we know it - and they DO want chaos up to a point - they don't want to take everything from large numbers of people and leave them with nothing to lose because then they (the cabal) would probably be hunted down and lynched... their own security teams even turning against them...

It must have been created in a lab, there is no other viable explanation.

I believe many nasty things have actually been created in labs over the years, experimented with in public and then hushed up for the most part.

Yes, I totally believe this thing was seeded in pockets around the world prior to the assumed beginning last year.

Your point about spiking a flu vaccine with it is entirely valid and one I'd not really considered before.

Similar to yourself, I think I probably got a dose of the unknown in December 2019/ January 2020. I worked in an environment with lots of travelling visitors and a fair smattering of foreigners.

I know my body well. I felt terrible for 48 hours. Never felt precisely that way before. I was expecting to wake up on the morning of 48+ hours with a really bad cold or flu. Yet it disappeared overnight as quickly and unexpectedly as the initial onset. Not natural. At all. 100% unnatural, I know my own body too well. Definitely something new on the block.

[Hermoor]

There is every possibility that the flu injection in previous years --weakened the immune system
This makes those who go for vaccines susceptible to the next regular flu episode and there can even be the possibility of extreme reaction, called cytokine storm.
Heaven help those vaccinated --weakened immune system -- next time there is any "bug" doing its rounds.
All this is predictable --thus within the Cabal plan.
We have been set up!!!
Chris

It's entirely possible a set up like that could have happened. To what extent, if any, I have no genuine idea. But the science of it is sound enough.

Anyone for a flu jab this autumn before the traditional winter flu season miraculously reappears from out of nowhere?

Not bloomin' likely!!! :ROFL:

[Hermoor]

Which means, this is really about CONTROLLING the population.

This whole 'control' thing drives me absolutely nuts.

Most decent folks just need a few good signposts along the way. And they get on with their lives in relative peace and quiet, happily so.

There is no need for any great level of control. Except it's been virtually forced on us for a long, long time.

Ultimately I don't even think control is at the apex. It's something abominably parasitic.

These parasites don't just want freakshow levels of control. What they really want seems to be, metaphorically speaking, squeezing as much blood out of our stones as they possibly can. Our minds. Energy. Time. Labour. Fear. Worry. Stress. Money. Etc. Etc.

It doesn't matter how much we give them, they never let up and always demand more. Lots more.

[ExomatrixTV]

Has there ever been a public debate with professionals, scientists & specialists about "how to solve the (falsely) ASSUMED overpopulation (https://web.archive.org/web/20220818080906/https://www.overpopulationmyth.com/) problem" anywhere, anytime in Mainstream Media? ... Anyone? ... and what about other countries?

If not, why not? ... Do they fear us waking up to them ... their true agenda?

cheers,
John

[Matthew]

I don't understand these things but I have associated amino acids with good health so when I read this, I suspected it could be another attack on peoples health ...thinking aloud


https://twitter.com/Theo7819/status/1393725801481261057
@veryvirology
I don't know for certain why the FDA is coming for N-acetyl-cysteine so hard, but I think I'm going to start taking it because of that. Must be helpful somehow. It is an integral part of the vax prophylaxis protocol.
@Theo7819
I'm actually horrified they're trying to ban amino acids

[George]

What if this was not a depopulation plan, but the exact opposite? A population plan - for their new, improved illusion? What if the ‘vaccine’ was in fact the virus? A virus that hacks the operating system and creates digital, transhuman beings, ready to incarnate into whatever dictatorship they are creating?

A friend I talked to called the global rollout of the jab ‘soul harvesting’. This rings true to me. The illuminati has always worked on a super-incarnational level. So their plans would be for what comes after this life cycle. Once as many mind/body/spirits are modified as possible, they wouldn’t care about people dying. That would explain why the virus isn’t that deadly for now, and why the vaccination stage has to happen before the ‘big culling’ - be it through whatever means.

[Bubu]

"I've had a think about it and have come up with a plan.....

What about paying people to get sterilized... like a really decent sum of money.... on a sliding scale

so someone who is sure they don't want children gets the most - maybe around £150,000 - £250,000

someone who has one child then decides to get sterilized (male or female) could get around £100,000 - £150,000

someone who has two children about £50,000 - £100.000

someone who has three children £25,000
Anyway - you get the picture - the carrot not stick approach - - this could also help eradicate poverty and stimulate the economy... so of course it won't be popular with the Cabal Freaks..."

Hey Jaybee, you seem to have miss your point way off. poverty is created by lack of goods not lack of money. Say I give you everything you need; food house clothing luxuries, but without money. Will you consider yourself poor? Say I give you all the money you want but cant buy anything of it, Would you consider yourself rich? Giving people money will only result in inflation. It means you need more money to buy same amount of burger. You're still poor with more money and same amount of burger. Think along the lines of creating more goods instead of money and it will solve the poverty problem permanently:)

[syrwong]

Yes it is complex jabee.
There is every possibility that the flu injection in previous years --weakened the immune system
This makes those who go for vaccines susceptible to the next regular flu episode and there can even be the possibility of extreme reaction, called cytokine storm.
Heaven help those vaccinated --weakened immune system -- next time there is any "bug" doing its rounds.
All this is predictable --thus within the Cabal plan.
We have been set up!!!
Chris


yes it is complex - that's why it's hard to have a conversation about it all with someone who has had no exposure to the info we have - they have no idea what so ever about what's going on - and that's why they can't wait to have the jab, believe the MSM, trust the government and their 'experts'..... and why they are ruled by the fear mongering -

If I was in charge of reducing the world population :) ..... I would definitely avoid murdering millions/billions of people - and creating unnecessary suffering -

I've had a think about it and have come up with a plan.....

What about paying people to get sterilized... like a really decent sum of money.... on a sliding scale

so someone who is sure they don't want children gets the most - maybe around £150,000 - £250,000

someone who has one child then decides to get sterilized (male or female) could get around £100,000 - £150,000

someone who has two children about £50,000 - £100.000

someone who has three children £25,000

Anyway - you get the picture - the carrot not stick approach - :) - this could also help eradicate poverty and stimulate the economy... so of course it won't be popular with the Cabal Freaks...

I expect someone in the Slums in India would feel quite attracted to having a hundred thousand pounds or so... depending on how many children they want to have -

I expect there's some kind of economic reason my little plan might be difficult but for heaven's sake the depopulation plan they've got going isn't exactly easy and my plan could be cheaper in the long run...

And more humane...

Fun even.... with more money sloshing around -

But we know that the Power Junkies don't want to share power and wealth so they wouldn't like a plan like that -

:thumbsup:

Your idea is good if being humane is of some value to TPTB. It is in fact the opposite. To me, the definition of evil includes taking pleasure to see pain and suffering. That is what they are, evil in human bodies. Enticing or paying the slaves to do something is never as pleasurable as forcing them to do it.

[ralfy]

The catch for a depopulation program is that it works against global capitalism. That is,

The world economy is dominated by a few super-connected multinational corporations:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354-500-revealed-the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world/

and they dominate for two reasons:

1. control of the means of production of various goods and services, from which they profit through increases sales of the same;

2. financial speculation, such that some of the richest continue to become richer even with a pandemic.

The goal, then, is continuous economic growth attained through expanding consumer markets and more financial speculation, with technology developing such that two goals will be rendered irrelevant.

Depopulation works against these because if it involves higher deaths, then the world economy will fall apart, and if it involves non-replacement birth rate, population aging and the same results after a longer period of time.

Given that, what the elite likely want isn't depopulation but birth control. That is, just the right birth rate to ensure a steadily increasing population so that basic services and the environment won't be overwhelmed and that consumer demand may be sustained in the longer run. The hope is that given technological advancement there will be an abundance of resources such that even as population reaches a peak and declines due to population aging brought about by prosperity, then both the need to profit and control population will no longer matter.

[jaybee]

"I've had a think about it and have come up with a plan.....

What about paying people to get sterilized... like a really decent sum of money.... on a sliding scale

so someone who is sure they don't want children gets the most - maybe around £150,000 - £250,000

someone who has one child then decides to get sterilized (male or female) could get around £100,000 - £150,000

someone who has two children about £50,000 - £100.000

someone who has three children £25,000
Anyway - you get the picture - the carrot not stick approach - - this could also help eradicate poverty and stimulate the economy... so of course it won't be popular with the Cabal Freaks..."

Hey Jaybee, you seem to have miss your point way off. poverty is created by lack of goods not lack of money. Say I give you everything you need; food house clothing luxuries, but without money. Will you consider yourself poor? Say I give you all the money you want but cant buy anything of it, Would you consider yourself rich? Giving people money will only result in inflation. It means you need more money to buy same amount of burger. You're still poor with more money and same amount of burger. Think along the lines of creating more goods instead of money and it will solve the poverty problem permanently:)


Well the basic point I was making was that the world population could be (gradually) reduced without killing millions/billions of people and causing suffering...

I threw in the idea of paying people to NOT have children ie paying them to volunteer to get sterilized - and I also said...


I expect there's some kind of economic reason my little plan might be difficult but for heaven's sake the depopulation plan they've got going isn't exactly easy and my plan could be cheaper in the long run...



Of course, as you indicate.. :) ... the finer details would have to be sorted out like putting a cap on inflation and creating more goods (and services) ...... surely this isn't beyond the wit of man(kind)...

But as we are so divided and controlled it wouldn't be easy...

[Operator]

"I've had a think about it and have come up with a plan.....

What about paying people to get sterilized... like a really decent sum of money.... on a sliding scale

so someone who is sure they don't want children gets the most - maybe around £150,000 - £250,000

someone who has one child then decides to get sterilized (male or female) could get around £100,000 - £150,000

someone who has two children about £50,000 - £100.000

someone who has three children £25,000
Anyway - you get the picture - the carrot not stick approach - - this could also help eradicate poverty and stimulate the economy... so of course it won't be popular with the Cabal Freaks..."

Hey Jaybee, you seem to have miss your point way off. poverty is created by lack of goods not lack of money. Say I give you everything you need; food house clothing luxuries, but without money. Will you consider yourself poor? Say I give you all the money you want but cant buy anything of it, Would you consider yourself rich? Giving people money will only result in inflation. It means you need more money to buy same amount of burger. You're still poor with more money and same amount of burger. Think along the lines of creating more goods instead of money and it will solve the poverty problem permanently:)


Well the basic point I was making was that the world population could be (gradually) reduced without killing millions/billions of people and causing suffering...

I threw in the idea of paying people to NOT have children ie paying them to volunteer to get sterilized - and I also said...


I expect there's some kind of economic reason my little plan might be difficult but for heaven's sake the depopulation plan they've got going isn't exactly easy and my plan could be cheaper in the long run...



Of course, as you indicate.. :) ... the finer details would have to be sorted out like putting a cap on inflation and creating more goods (and services) ...... surely this isn't beyond the wit of man(kind)...

But as we are so divided and controlled it wouldn't be easy...

The effect of the proposal would be that it creates a shortage of younger people and a surplus of older people as remainder.
Besides just creating a less productive workforce it would burden society even more because less younger people then have to take care of elderly people.
That's the opposite of what TPTB want I guess.

[Hermoor]

the basic point I was making was that the world population could be (gradually) reduced without killing millions/billions of people and causing suffering...

A lot of pertinent, widely available information already alludes to a gradual long term population reduction.

The toxins in many water supplies. The toxins in many foods and drinks. Our seafood being slowly poisoned. Our farm animals and crops being slowly poisoned. The rains leaching these toxins in to the soil and subterranean water tables.

The proliferation of GMO crops all around the world. Baal Grates becoming the biggest owner of farming lands in the USA. Do you see what's coming yet?

Even 'organic' foods being irradiated before marketing, thereby destroying the natural nutritional goodness in them. The proliferation of microwave meals full of chemical muck and then every last remaining vestige of decent nutrition in them destroyed. People losing the ability to plant crops, rear livestock and cook well for themselves. "Oh, I'll just get my food from the microwave now."

Reduced sperm counts in men. Increased abnormalities and lack of motility in the remaining sperm. Many women now reporting menstrual abnormalities after taking a vaccine. The human vessels housing the sperm and eggs now also housing ever growing numbers of pollutants and chemical poisons.

The ridiculously high number of vaccines now given to American kids in particular. American kids in particular now demonstrating alarming mental and physical health problems. ADHD. Sensitivities and allergies and so on.

Certain third world countries in particular being used as guinea pigs for new vaccines with terribly high numbers of injuries and deaths, all but completely hushed up.

The horrendous long term side effects of depleted uranium munitions already showing up in Iraqis in particular.

Western troops ruined by the vaccinations they took prior to being sent to war. Western troops exposed to the effects of the depleted uranium munitions they used on battlefields now dead or dying slow, horrible deaths. The lethal dusts from these battlefields being blown far and wide.

Then there are the questions over the fluoride in our water supplies and toothpastes. Potentially enormous in my own humble opinion.

You never see bajillionaires eating from plastic wrappers and drinking from plastic bottles and aluminium cans, do you? They drink from glass bottles and spend on the best of premium natural and organic foods. Why is that?

And an absolute howler nowadays which seems to get glaringly scant attention.

WHY AREN'T OUR GOVERNMENTS BANGING CONTINUOUS, BIG PUBLICITY DRUMS TO TAKE THE SIMPLEST OF NATURAL MEASURES TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE OUR HEALTH IN THESE TIMES?

By which I mean eat healthy, take regular exercise. Get out in the fresh air and sunshine. Take vitamin D supplements. Get some dirt under your fingernails in your gardens, farms and the great outdoors in general.

Of course there's a depopulation plan. It's at least death by a thousand long term, generational, accumulative cuts. So obvious when you see it. And so criminally lethal when you don't.

[Hermoor]

It is said in some circles that Israel is the world's clock.

With regards to my above post I'd say in some respects the bees are another clock of note.

It has been widely reported and agreed in many circles that the bee population has taken a tremendous hit in recent years.

Just think of bees as smaller and more sensitive living creatures compared to humans. And clocks of Mother Nature in their own right.

They are generally more prone to all the pollutants, toxins and unnatural evils accumulating in our food chains and bodies. Their generational cycles are much briefer and more concentrated than our own.

It isn't going too well for the bees, is it? It'd be going a lot worse for all of us if the bees are killed off.

Just something to ponder meaningfully on for those who care about the greater scheme of things.

[jaybee]

Thanks for the replies to my little idea of paying people (worldwide) to be voluntarily sterilized - (without coercion and guilt tripping, I might add...) .... it was just a thought how to reduce the population without causing suffering and unhappiness... and without a colluding 'elite' manipulating people's lives without their consent..

I suppose nature has always sorted over population out in the past with natural disasters of one kind or another - and I've cynically thought to myself recently with all this Scamdemic / 'vaccine' nonsense going on that the only thing that can save us now (if 'we' continue down this path ).... will be a meteor strike or similar or a big flood again - :ohwell: yes lots/ most of the human race would die, then the population would have to build up again but at least the control freaks and colluding liars et al wouldn't have the satisfaction of achieving their Transgender / Transhuman Agenda.... and everything that would go with that - - possibly involving future human survivors having to time travel back to sort the problem out...

I'm not hoping for a natural disaster but in the long run it would probably be preferable to what the Control Freaky Cabal have planned... turning us into mind controlled bio robots...

Animals etc and the environment would also get caught up in a natural disaster but the earth and all it's inhabitants have come through it before...

[Bubu]

the only thing that can save us now (if 'we' continue down this path ).... will be a meteor strike or similar or a big flood again - :ohwell: yes lots/ most of the human race would die, then the population would have to build up again but at least the control freaks and colluding liars et al wouldn't have the satisfaction of achieving their Transgender / Transhuman Agenda.... and everything that would go with that - -re...

I'm sorry Jay I have nothing against you but I again can not agree with your idea. lol. If there are people most prepared for any calamity including meteor strike and noahs flood, its the elite group. and after the calamity, they will emerge from their bunker/hiding place unscathed to continue their agenda probably a lot easier, without you and me :)

[TomKat]

the only thing that can save us now (if 'we' continue down this path ).... will be a meteor strike or similar or a big flood again - :ohwell: yes lots/ most of the human race would die, then the population would have to build up again but at least the control freaks and colluding liars et al wouldn't have the satisfaction of achieving their Transgender / Transhuman Agenda.... and everything that would go with that - -re...

I'm sorry Jay I have nothing against you but I again can not agree with your idea. lol. If there are people most prepared for any calamity including meteor strike and noahs flood, its the elite group. and after the calamity, they will emerge from their bunker/hiding place unscathed to continue their agenda probably a lot easier, without you and me :)

An underground bunker can become a grave during an earthquake. Let's hope.

[DSKlausler]

the only thing that can save us now (if 'we' continue down this path ).... will be a meteor strike or similar or a big flood again - :ohwell: yes lots/ most of the human race would die, then the population would have to build up again but at least the control freaks and colluding liars et al wouldn't have the satisfaction of achieving their Transgender / Transhuman Agenda.... and everything that would go with that - -re...

I'm sorry Jay I have nothing against you but I again can not agree with your idea. lol. If there are people most prepared for any calamity including meteor strike and noahs flood, its the elite group. and after the calamity, they will emerge from their bunker/hiding place unscathed to continue their agenda probably a lot easier, without you and me :)

An underground bunker can become a grave during an earthquake. Let's hope.

If you accept the information here, as the author seemingly believes, then They will be OK (at least from "earthquakes").
№ 58. The multi-trillion-dollar granite tunnel system in the Pikes Peak batholith
https://amallulla.org/batholith/#Surviving_the_Coming_Axial_Tilt_underground_in_Granite_Tunnels_sealed_as_tight_as_a_Bank_Vault

[ralfy]

The ideal scenario is technology developed that would lead to an abundance of resources (equivalent to at least three more earths) fully implemented in a decade, leading to per capita prosperity, in turn causing lower birth rates, and thus population peaking and going on a steady decline. This is critical as the three-fold increase in world population took place because of industrialization powered by oil.

The more likely scenario is greater desperation to have business as usual, leading to more resource crunches (like what happened starting 2006, when world conventional production started entering an undulating plateau), increasing debt leading to financial crashes and low growth (e.g., 2008 and the decade that followed), and long-term effects of climate change and pollution kicking in as those 50+ positive feedbacks continue. Black swans like pandemics and wars add icing to the cake as they are themselves results of the same crises (e.g., increased economic activity leads to increased vectors for the spread of disease, and resource crunches lead to conflict). Actually, each crises amplifies the others. Results include higher levels of suffering and mortality rates plus conflict.

Finally, the global economy is actually less resilient than most imagine. There is only around seven to ten days' worth of food, fuel, medicine, etc. (even ammo) in every town and city worldwide because businesses practice economic order quantities and just-in-time (i.e., to keep inventory and opportunity costs low, there can't be a lack or too many supplies, and goods have to be shipped continuously, which means large amounts of oil used), which means cascading collapse can take place fairly quickly.

Additional points:

Hoarding and creating shelters don't always help because inhabitants can be smoked out and natural disasters can render areas difficult to inhabit, which means more will have to learn to move around a lot and employ skills (usually practiced in earlier centuries, and in the long term, what was done prior to mass industrialization) that may obtain whatever is available in one's surroundings.

Some reporters who had been in war zones for lengthy periods state that the ones who tend to survive first in such places are criminals, but the supplies of those they victimize eventually run out and they also start preying on each other. The same goes for armed authorities and gangs.

With that, depopulation will eventually take place, but probably not planned and not in the way many expect.

[ExomatrixTV]

https://war.coffee/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/banned-video-alex-jones-explains-french-official-jacques-attali-depopulation-agenda-via-fake-pandemic-and-fearful-and-stupid-people-seeking-treatment-to-their-own-slaughterhouse-23-april-2021.mp4
source (https://war.coffee/2021/international-politics/flashback-1981-french-cull-and-former-head-of-the-european-bank-jacques-attali-calls-for-global-genocide-via-treatment-from-hoax-pandemic/)

A quote from Jacques Attali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Attali) was recently dredged up from history:
The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We start with the old, because as soon as they exceed 60-65 years, people live longer than they produce and that costs society dearly. Then the weak, then the useless that do not help society because there will always be more of them, and above all, ultimately, the stupid. Euthanasia targeting these groups; Euthanasia will have to be an essential tool in our future societies, in all cases. Of course we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe that it is for their own good. Overpopulation, and mostly useless, is something that is too costly economically. Socially, too, it is much better when the human machine comes to an abrupt standstill than when it gradually deteriorates. Neither will we be able to test millions upon millions of people for their intelligence, you bet that! We will find or cause something a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and stupid will believe in it and seek treatment. We will have made sure that treatment is in place, treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots then takes care of itself: You go to the slaughter by yourself.

The Future of Life – Jacques Attali interviews with Michel Salomon, Les Visages de l’avenir collection, éditions Seghers, 1981


Did French Official Call for Depopulation (https://banthis.tv/watch?id=60834f67c08e8406ee2b9827) Through Vaccines?

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source (https://twitter.com/jeangene_vilmer/status/1240357815795036167)



HOW DEPOPULATION WILL BE DONE WITH VACCINES GLOBALIST BANKER JAQUES ATTALI 1981 INTERVIEW:

https://bnt-cdn.b-cdn.net/upload/videos/2021/05/MUzCCi8JdEyDUA8KLkGI_14_9beedcca1412b7bc24a1ac258a429437_video_480p_converted.mp4

source (https://brandnewtube.com/watch/how-depopulation-will-be-done-with-vaccines-globalist-banker-jaques-attali-1981-interview_vkAl1jsZIMQRK6c.html)

⚠️ Dutch (https://herstelderepubliek.wordpress.com/2021/05/23/world-economic-forum-selectie-van-de-idioten/) 🇳🇱

[ExomatrixTV]

Ex-Russian Intel Officer Exposes Coronavirus Depopulation Agenda (https://thefreedomarticles.com/ex-russian-intel-officer-coronavirus-depopulation-agenda/)

https://bnt-cdn.b-cdn.net/upload/videos/2021/03/9mF4JoVKLAJVjLqDXL7f_16_77ad0f236d2881586b3bdac3c8a3b87d_video_1080p_converted.mp4


source (https://brandnewtube.com/watch/one-mans-belief-of-a-depopulation-agenda-from-russia-with-love_aIksrxsUyYnH1x4.html)

[ExomatrixTV]

‘Vaccine’ Depopulation (https://banned.video/watch?id=606754d6d0ce9b7a32df32e8) – A Must Watch – David Icke

606754d6d0ce9b7a32df32e8

[ralfy]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

[s7e6e]

Population management (I for one am for it if done slowly and gently) is essential for conservation of resources and quality of life. So if nothing is done quickly (there's just a narrow window) we'll pass the point of no return and it wont matter anymore. This is what I get from the current situation.

Even the super rich breathe almost the same air as the rest of us, when trying to get a tan under this super polluted sky.

[jaybee]

the only thing that can save us now (if 'we' continue down this path ).... will be a meteor strike or similar or a big flood again - :ohwell: yes lots/ most of the human race would die, then the population would have to build up again but at least the control freaks and colluding liars et al wouldn't have the satisfaction of achieving their Transgender / Transhuman Agenda.... and everything that would go with that - -re...

I'm sorry Jay I have nothing against you but I again can not agree with your idea. lol. If there are people most prepared for any calamity including meteor strike and noahs flood, its the elite group. and after the calamity, they will emerge from their bunker/hiding place unscathed to continue their agenda probably a lot easier, without you and me :)


I've nothing against you either :) and have no problem with you disagreeing -

But if the Super Rich Elite go underground for a long time - I don't think they will be 'unscathed' - imagine the basic personalities of all those people who have lived a life of privilege all locked up together with no escape from each other - even if they have their slaves (gawd knows maybe Epstein is already down their making preparations - eek - )......... what could possibly go wrong -

lots.... IMO

It would only take a jealous lover going nuts and smashing up vital technology to crash the whole thing - or a new deadly virus spreading around (that would be suitably karmic eh...)....

I have a feeling that we are missing a part of the big picture and I could speculate that something else is going to happen amidst all this SARS-CoV-2 + Vax madness... and could be contributing in some way for the total solidarity of world leaders colluding over the so called pandemic - vax and lockdowns...

Do you remember Apophis - the asteroid that was going to possibly hit earth in 2036 - there was a fly by in March this year and is going to be another close shave in 2029 but we are NOW assured that no no no the earth is safe from Apophis... measures are going to be taken to nudge it or speed it up or slow it down - just in case - but no no no there is no threat...

Mmmmmmm... ??????

[ExomatrixTV]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Yeah some people really assume/believe it is "only about profit" and "lower the risks" mantra which can easily be debunked on so many levels it is not funny anymore.

Not to mention what corporatism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_statism) really is about and how Quantum A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) really is affecting us all ... and will do so so much more coming decades that is (partially) already happening (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-).

How they cheat (robbing) our pension money funds worldwide for a reason! ... You not suppose to live longer as they assume they can not pay that anymore to be alive ... the fiat (pyramid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme) ponzi scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme)) money system is collapsing and they know it ... there IS a very very corrupt "transition (http://tinyurl.com/TheGreatReset)" to cover up what really happened to all of us.

If anyone tries to analyze/asses "logical motives" using mainstream media talking points perspectives (heavily guarded & controlled narratives) they LAUGH at you that you are so easily "convinced" you "solved" the riddle for them and us.

So you made a new account on Project Avalon use a obnoxious avatar some one holding a gun pointing at something or someone and smiling and almost all your contributions seems more like mainstream talking points posing as "semi critical thinking" we already heard/read from all kinds of fake accounts on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook etc.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/thumbs/avatar46344_1.gif <<< why using this avatar picture @ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy)? What is the story behind this?


cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 24, 2021

[TomKat]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

[chrifri]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

Maybe because capitalism/wealth (fake or not)/etc is not their target at all but only the means to achieve their goals

[Merkaba360]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Which is why they are getting close to not needing capitalism. Culling the herd right on time for the rise of automation? They probably got automated factories that can make almost anything in those underground cities. they got all the knowledge and know how stored on servers. AI will be able to make up for the innovation of say half the population. That cuts us down to 4 billion, setting us back to the population of 1974, only 47 years ago.

Perhaps civilizations are striving to reach self-sufficiency ay a societal level. Perhaps theyve already achieved that and can set us back a lot, which puts us back many decades technologically, while they stay the same. Then they have a large power differential, closer to us and aliens differential. lol

If u are right, then i suppose the depopulation head fake is to create fear while they really are going for a techno prison.

[pyrangello]

Bill Gates is a physcopath , Here's a story for you about him I found the other day . NAVY SEALs STORM Gates’ Wyoming Ranch https://realrawnews.com/2021/05/navy-seals-storm-gates-wyoming-ranch/ . I cannot verify this story but with Gates hanging around Epstein and then his wife finally throwing in the towel I figured there was much more going on than a marital spat. The pieces are all coming together and perhaps Melinda baby knows more on the de-population scheme of Mr Bill too. Sounds like a bunch of mad scientists hanging out trying to figure how to off a bunch of us and having fun doing it. There's no telling what they are capable of , we just need to be one step ahead and take nothing for granted when we see the train coming down the tracks.

[TomKat]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

Maybe because capitalism/wealth (fake or not)/etc is not their target at all but only the means to achieve their goals

Or in the words of Bruce Springsteen, "poor men wanna be rich, rich men wanna be kings"

[Referee]

The latest from Cliff High
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AQmJ6xo07iIS/

[ralfy]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Yeah some people really assume/believe it is "only about profit" and "lower the risks" mantra which can easily be debunked on so many levels it is not funny anymore.

Not to mention what corporatism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_statism) really is about and how Quantum A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) really is affecting us all ... and will do so so much more coming decades that is (partially) already happening (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-).

How they cheat (robbing) our pension money funds worldwide for a reason! ... You not suppose to live longer as they assume they can not pay that anymore to be alive ... the fiat (pyramid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme) ponzi scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme)) money system is collapsing and they know it ... there IS a very very corrupt "transition (http://tinyurl.com/TheGreatReset)" to cover up what really happened to all of us.

If anyone tries to analyze/asses "logical motives" using mainstream media talking points perspectives (heavily guarded & controlled narratives) they LAUGH at you that you are so easily "convinced" you "solved" the riddle for them and us.

So you made a new account on Project Avalon use a obnoxious avatar some one holding a gun pointing at something or someone and smiling and almost all your contributions seems more like mainstream talking points posing as "semi critical thinking" we already heard/read from all kinds of fake accounts on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook etc.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/thumbs/avatar46344_1.gif <<< why using this avatar picture @ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy)? What is the story behind this?


cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 24, 2021

It's not only about profit because the profit is gained through a combination of financial speculation plus increasing sales of goods and services. In short, the goal is not just profit but continuous economic growth, which is what we've been seeing the past six decades and the goal of every economy. If any, that's the main reason why the global population tripled from 1945 to the present.

They cheat by using pension funds when they get into trouble, which is what happened with Enron and others. Otherwise, they are bailed out by government because government and the populace works for them. Last 2012, it was estimated that the bailouts for the U.S. alone totaled over $16 trillion, and mostly unaudited.

The reason for such frivolous use of credit is that it can be created easily. Thus, the ponzi scheme that alarms you is chump change compared to a global, unregulated derivatives market with a notional value of over $1 quadrillion dollars. Only a trillion dollars of that were needed to bring the world to its knees in 2008; expect more where that came from.

Now, I have no idea why you are so obsessed with isolating yourself from mainstream media when much of that plus social platforms, not to mention the hardware and infrastructure needed to keep them propped up (and practically everything online), involves the same elite. It's as if you imagine that you can live and even thrive in an industrialized world without corporate statism, fiat currencies, etc. That can't happen because industrialization involves such phenomena, just as the elite believe that they can stay underground for years, come out, and have the same lifestyles with almost no human beings around.

Of course, there's corruption among the highest ranks. Are you imagining that the opposite can ever take place?

I don't dismiss conspiracy theories, but I don't think all of them make sense.

Finally, you don't have to overread everything: the avatar I use is simply one of several given free for the early Fallout computer games. They're about a world that experienced nuclear holocaust and other disasters, with survivors living for decades in large vaults underground, and waiting for the air to clear. The blonde youngster in the avatar is Pipboy, who appears in a watch used in the game, and represents various attributes in role playing. Some examples:

Pipboy's Child Killer reputation icon from

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Childkiller

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/4/42/Child_Killer.png

Pipboy's Made Man reputation icon:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/97/VaultBoyFO2LoadingScreen.png

In which case, I hope you are not offended by what are nothing more than cartoons used in a game.

Finally, FWIW, those who want to know a bit more about the games might consider the following short intros:

The first game:

hG3uBgQmTnk

The second game:

8RIfDYdzNIk

BTW, for those who find the narrator's voice in the first game familiar, it's the actor Ron Pearl.

[ralfy]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

Why would he do that? The bulk of his wealth is credit--more than $120 billion--and all that will be useless with no global economy and world population. And what about the large parcels of farm land that he bought in the U.S.? Will he be making robots that will make even more robots that will do everything that humans should do while he and his fellow elite relax and enjoy themselves?

Depopulation makes no sense whatsoever to a global elite whose power lies essentially in credit.

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Maybe because capitalism/wealth (fake or not)/etc is not their target at all but only the means to achieve their goals

What are those goals? You can't answer, "to depopulate the earth," because that's the means towards those goals, right?

[jaybee]

Bill Gates is a physcopath , Here's a story for you about him I found the other day . NAVY SEALs STORM Gates’ Wyoming Ranch https://realrawnews.com/2021/05/navy-seals-storm-gates-wyoming-ranch/ . I cannot verify this story but with Gates hanging around Epstein and then his wife finally throwing in the towel I figured there was much more going on than a marital spat. The pieces are all coming together and perhaps Melinda baby knows more on the de-population scheme of Mr Bill too. Sounds like a bunch of mad scientists hanging out trying to figure how to off a bunch of us and having fun doing it. There's no telling what they are capable of , we just need to be one step ahead and take nothing for granted when we see the train coming down the tracks.


wow.... when I looked at your link yesterday it said it wasn't available.... a 503 error (think it was 503)..

so I checked just now and was able to read it --- let's for talking sake say all of this is true and it very well could be - how fascinating that Melinda Gates would go to Trump for help... but when you think about it he is the only person with that level of power that can be trusted... and he is known for hunting down child traffickers and pedophiles even though the 'Enemy of the People' MSM studiously ignored that to protect their own...

here's the article in case it becomes unavailable again... Bill Gates is such a creepy dangerous character Melinda had better watch her back -


Less than two weeks after Bill and Melinda Gates called it quits, U.S. Navy SEALs stormed a Gates’ owned property in northwest Wyoming and clashed with security forces Gates had hired to protect the 492-acre ranch.

The U.S. military approved the raid after Gates’ estranged wife, Melinda, contacted Donald J. Trump with news that Bill, whom she called a psychopathic, evil genius, had visited Epstein Island 24 times between 1997-2017 and, on Epstein’s advice, had spent $36,000,000 to excavate his own subterranean “child dungeon” beneath Irma Lake Lodge.

A confidential source involved in Trump’s Deep State War told Real Raw News that Gates’ friendship with the convicted pedophile was the catalyst for Bill and Melinda’s divorce. Melinda had long been aware of Bill’s philandering with both adult and underage women, but had remained silent to protect her financial interests in the marriage. She reportedly told Trump that Bill and Epstein made frequent weekend getaways to Irma Lake Lodge. Although she admitted she had not personally seen the subterranean complex, she had paperwork and receipts proving its existence.

“He told me to pretend I was an underage frightened schoolgirl and to pretend he was a maniacal genius who liked to play with young girls,” Melinda said. “For him it was roleplay, but it really wasn’t, because he is exactly what he pretended to be.”

On May 14, Trump spoke to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and asked that the U.S. military confirm the existence of the alleged underground complex. To carry out this task, the military employed two techniques. First, a synthetic aperture radar satellite scanned Irma Lake Lodge. Second, a UAV fitted with ground penetrating radar made several high-altitude passes over the property. While neither technique was able to concretely gauge the size and depth of the underground dungeon, both proved massive excavation had taken place where Melinda Gates said it had.

“It was enough for the military to act on. They didn’t want to just bomb the place because they didn’t know if kids were still down there. So they opted to send a SEAL team, the same ones who raided Biden’s compound and got those kids off the boat,” our source said.

In the predawn hours on May 17, Navy SEALs launched a tactical assault on Irma Lake Lodge, meeting resistance shortly after they breached the property and crept toward the underground lair. Gates’ security personnel, dressed in paramilitary gear and armed with automatic weapons, detected the intrusion and opened fire on the SEALs. The SEALs returned fire in what turned out to be a 15-minute firefight in which one SEAL and 8 enemy combatants lost their lives.

Having suppressed Gates’ security, the SEALS found a trap door hidden beneath piles of hay in a horse stable. The door concealed a steel platform—an elevator of sorts—that descended 300’ below ground and opened into a hewn chamber 150’ in diameter and with tunnels branching off in several directions. The SEALs, our source said, spent hours scouring the tunnels for signs of life, but no children were found. However, the operation was not in vain, as they did uncover a facsimile of a young girl’s bedroom, with a pink-frame platform bed, stuffed animals, and racks of child-sized clothing. Moreover, three DSLRs on tripods had been aimed to video whoever had lain on the bed. At least one camera still had an SD card.

The SEALs, our source added, seized the cameras before exfiltrating the compound.

In closing, our source said he believes—but cannot confirm—the military has infiltrated other properties owned by Gates.

[ralfy]

Which is why they are getting close to not needing capitalism. Culling the herd right on time for the rise of automation? They probably got automated factories that can make almost anything in those underground cities. they got all the knowledge and know how stored on servers. AI will be able to make up for the innovation of say half the population. That cuts us down to 4 billion, setting us back to the population of 1974, only 47 years ago.

Perhaps civilizations are striving to reach self-sufficiency ay a societal level. Perhaps theyve already achieved that and can set us back a lot, which puts us back many decades technologically, while they stay the same. Then they have a large power differential, closer to us and aliens differential. lol

If u are right, then i suppose the depopulation head fake is to create fear while they really are going for a techno prison.

I don't think there's a depopulation head fake: rather, the goal is birth control, to free up more resources for automation and innovation while maintaining labor and consumer markets. That way, as the world population starts aging more production of goods and services take place.

The catch is that there is no such innovation taking place, especially on a global scale, and it hasn't and can't solve the problem of a resource crunch. At least that's what I observed the past two decades.

[ralfy]

Bill Gates is a physcopath , Here's a story for you about him I found the other day . NAVY SEALs STORM Gates’ Wyoming Ranch https://realrawnews.com/2021/05/navy-seals-storm-gates-wyoming-ranch/ . I cannot verify this story but with Gates hanging around Epstein and then his wife finally throwing in the towel I figured there was much more going on than a marital spat. The pieces are all coming together and perhaps Melinda baby knows more on the de-population scheme of Mr Bill too. Sounds like a bunch of mad scientists hanging out trying to figure how to off a bunch of us and having fun doing it. There's no telling what they are capable of , we just need to be one step ahead and take nothing for granted when we see the train coming down the tracks.

See, that's what I mean by theories that go haywire. Some argue that they want depopulation because they want to take control of smaller populations. Others argue that they want depopulation because they're crazy, which implies that they want the whole of humanity to go away.

[jaybee]

Depopulation makes no sense whatsoever to a global elite whose power lies essentially in credit.

Perhaps their wealth and privilege has separated them so far from reality that they have lost the plot...?

Or perhaps (returning to my SPECULATION) if they are all planning to go underground to survive a natural disaster like an asteroid hit (Apophis?).....

They want a much reduced population of us 'peasants' when they emerge to avoid lynching and retribution...?

re the quote that I pulled out of your longer post.....

Tell that to Prince Philip...... of course you can't ACTUALLY tell him because he recently died but ....

Notice how he failed to follow up on his..... "Can't you guess...?" to Fiona Bruce... and watered it down to "Voluntary family limitation...."

3rWU_VDa1Js

[ralfy]

Depopulation makes no sense whatsoever to a global elite whose power lies essentially in credit.

Perhaps their wealth and privilege has separated them so far from reality that they have lost the plot...?

Or perhaps (returning to my SPECULATION) if they are all planning to go underground to survive a natural disaster like an asteroid hit (Apophis?).....

They want a much reduced population of us 'peasants' when they emerge to avoid lynching and retribution...?

re the quote that I pulled out of your longer post.....

Tell that to Prince Philip...... of course you can't ACTUALLY tell him because he recently died but ....

Notice how he failed to follow up on his..... "Can't you guess...?" to Fiona Bruce... and watered it down to "Voluntary family limitation...."

3rWU_VDa1Js

AFAIK, their "plot" is to maintain power, and they've been doing that without the need for depopulation. In which case, are they calling for that because of fears of a resource crunch? That sounds valid if there is evidence that automation is in place, but what I've seen so far about that is science fiction.

What about decreased population? That works if the mortality rates take place across the board; otherwise, one ends up with an aging population, which goes into permanent decline, or one that's too young, in which case, the population rises again due to momentum. Also, it heightens violence, which is what they want to avoid in the first place. unless one starts imagining automation developed to such an extent that the population can be controlled.

But if that's the case, why bother with depopulation in the first place? Just use the same automation to control the population and cull it if needed.

In the end, one comes up with the most outrageous theories, and ironically miss the one that makes the most sense: the goal is replacement birth rate, with a slight decline to lower population gradually while innovation catches up. That also allows the elite to maintain power because credit is still needed given such. Hence, voluntary family limitation, which has been in place since the 1970s in various countries, and then non-voluntary family limitation if needed, which was done in China, remember?

Finally, the catch is that instead of overpopulation, China now worries about the opposite as it experiences population aging.

[jaybee]

What about decreased population?

same difference...? :)

If the Covid Injection kills millions / billions of people over a certain age and over a period of years by destroying their natural immune system... then controls the younger population with technology etc....

It's still mass murder...

(This isn't a strawman - I know you are not arguing for that and you are just contemplating and analysing the logics of the broader situation)

Prince Philip has actually said that he wants to be reincarnated as a deadly virus... :O

https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/philip/prince-philips-deadly-virus-gaffe-continues-to-haunt-him-155216/


33 years ago, the Queen’s husband spoke on the topic of reincarnation, and what he would come back as if such a thing existed.

He said: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”

The Duke made the remarks when speaking to when speaking to German news agency Deutsche Press Agentur.

[Phoenix1304]

An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

If the governments and multinational corporations of the world were benevolent, altruistic and spiritually oriented, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place!

I really don’t think anyone has the right to decide to cull the population, commit mass murder, to solve the problems of the planet! A pathetic draconian idea. There are far more elegant and beautiful solutions put forward by Jacques Fresco in the Venus project. He asserted that the world could cope with far more than 7 billion people if all the worlds resources were declared the property of everyone and managed differently. Natural adaptation in our species would result in far smaller families if everyone was fed, sheltered and educated.

Indeed, I noted recently in a piece about the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (ironically) and sorry I can’t provide the link, but they noticed this phenomena in Africa when you eradicate disease there is no need for families to have 10 or 12 children to ensure that two survive to look after them in their old-age. However in that Foundation’s case it may well have been sterility drugs in the vaccinations that caused the decline in family sizes.

With tech properly focussed we could green the deserts and the great desolate land masses and accommodate many millions more until adaptation in the human species occurred naturally. This all made a lot of sense to me. RIP Jaques, way ahead of his time.

Meanwhile a Netflix series called The Knack, beautifully demonstrates the arrogance of doctors and scientists and the rise of the eugenics pseudoscience in the early part of the century. Of course one of its greatest proponents, Hitler, brought it into disrepute and resulted in it going underground and getting rebranded but it’s still very popular among the elites and evident in the agenda currently playing out.

[Merkaba360]

What about decreased population?

same difference...? :)

If the Covid Injection kills millions / billions of people over a certain age and over a period of years by destroying their natural immune system... then controls the younger population with technology etc....

It's still mass murder...

(This isn't a strawman - I know you are not arguing for that and you are just contemplating and analysing the logics of the broader situation)

Prince Philip has actually said that he wants to be reincarnated as a deadly virus... :O

https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/philip/prince-philips-deadly-virus-gaffe-continues-to-haunt-him-155216/


33 years ago, the Queen’s husband spoke on the topic of reincarnation, and what he would come back as if such a thing existed.

He said: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”

The Duke made the remarks when speaking to when speaking to German news agency Deutsche Press Agentur.


I don't think there is a right answer. Because there is likely a few factions who want different degrees of the above versions we all are speaking about. Surely some are so dark that they just hate life and hate humans and want max destruction, whether or not they have the influence to prevail as a faction. Some faction probably just wants control of the population as they are control freaks. From gaining control, they may then more gradually depopulate. Or something in between. Its just to hard to say which prevails. So, we can't say that a handful of theories arent all correct given the inability of people who are used to controlling things to agree on one approach.

Mass sterilization, genocide with biological weapons, to whatever degree its all done in the shadows against our will and is unacceptable. Does it matter which version someone believes as long as they are awake to the fact that there is an attack on us peons. If there is no transparency, then malevolence must be assumed until proven otherwise.

Yes, they will use the power of their wealth in the market to keep preparing and enriching, but i assume that they are as smart as we are and working toward sovereignty from needing us slaves. Even if they enjoy controlling us, sovereignty from their human laborers is a good plan in case things drastically change. Who knows what is built up from black projects and working with advanced ETs. $120 billion of Bill Gates' money could be nothing to lose for them, or wont matter in the near future.

Extremes like total annihilation of humans is quite unlikely unless it was an ELE. Even if another species took over the planet, could still have some human groups hanging around like the aboriginals still havent disappeared. We might underestimate human value as we don't know how we are special compared to other evolved species. All this struggle is a catalyst for rapid evolution. The acceleration of just about everything is an interesting aspect to the unfolding of whats to come.

[ExomatrixTV]

ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy) quote: "Now, I have no idea why you are so obsessed with isolating yourself from mainstream media"

You have a lot to learn using/project so so MANY false assumptions = typical troll/shill behavior.

Almost nobody can be "isolated" by mainstream talking points as they come from all sides: Radio, TV, Magazines, Friends, Family sharing mainstream stuff over and over and over and over again. Not to mention the "WOKE" paranoia culture forced via more parts of society also pushed by MSM.

Most Alternative Media have studied/analyzed Mainstream Media lies so many times you can NOT assume "we do not know Mainstream" ... when you used the label "obsession" kind a funny & hilarious & epic fail.

[Matthew]

I haven't bothered reading up on Agenda 21, but I can kind of guess the gist

However I saw this which might be food for thought


Mic Mike Michael
@UKtodayUK
Agenda 21 includes zoning areas and when I saw this tweet it reminded me.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2PCdpKWEAEFyLF?format=jpg&name=small


source: https://twitter.com/UKtodayUK/status/1397174130454237185

[ralfy]

What about decreased population?

same difference...? :)

If the Covid Injection kills millions / billions of people over a certain age and over a period of years by destroying their natural immune system... then controls the younger population with technology etc....

It's still mass murder...

(This isn't a strawman - I know you are not arguing for that and you are just contemplating and analysing the logics of the broader situation)

Prince Philip has actually said that he wants to be reincarnated as a deadly virus... :O

https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/philip/prince-philips-deadly-virus-gaffe-continues-to-haunt-him-155216/


33 years ago, the Queen’s husband spoke on the topic of reincarnation, and what he would come back as if such a thing existed.

He said: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”

The Duke made the remarks when speaking to when speaking to German news agency Deutsche Press Agentur.

Decreased population can refer to a drop in birth rates, which is what we're seeing right now, but that leads to population aging.

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.

Finally, a deadly virus might not solve overpopulation, as seen in previous pandemics.

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An interesting question might be this one.


Here we all are on planet Earth, with a current population of 7.7 billion — projected to be 11.2 billion in 2100.
And now, imagine that the governments and multinational organizations of the planet were all benevolent, altruistic, and spiritually oriented.

What decisions would or should be made?

If the governments and multinational corporations of the world were benevolent, altruistic and spiritually oriented, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place!

I really don’t think anyone has the right to decide to cull the population, commit mass murder, to solve the problems of the planet! A pathetic draconian idea. There are far more elegant and beautiful solutions put forward by Jacques Fresco in the Venus project. He asserted that the world could cope with far more than 7 billion people if all the worlds resources were declared the property of everyone and managed differently. Natural adaptation in our species would result in far smaller families if everyone was fed, sheltered and educated.

Indeed, I noted recently in a piece about the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (ironically) and sorry I can’t provide the link, but they noticed this phenomena in Africa when you eradicate disease there is no need for families to have 10 or 12 children to ensure that two survive to look after them in their old-age. However in that Foundation’s case it may well have been sterility drugs in the vaccinations that caused the decline in family sizes.

With tech properly focussed we could green the deserts and the great desolate land masses and accommodate many millions more until adaptation in the human species occurred naturally. This all made a lot of sense to me. RIP Jaques, way ahead of his time.

Meanwhile a Netflix series called The Knack, beautifully demonstrates the arrogance of doctors and scientists and the rise of the eugenics pseudoscience in the early part of the century. Of course one of its greatest proponents, Hitler, brought it into disrepute and resulted in it going underground and getting rebranded but it’s still very popular among the elites and evident in the agenda currently playing out.

Governments cannot be benevolent because they employ realpolitik, and multinational corporations cannot be so because they follow for-profit corporate by-laws.

As for finding ourselves in this mess, what likely caused that was the mass use of oil for manufacturing and mechanized agriculture, and not only for fuel but for petrochemicals, which has led to a tripling in world population after 1945.

[ralfy]

ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy) quote: "Now, I have no idea why you are so obsessed with isolating yourself from mainstream media"

You have a lot to learn using/project so so MANY false assumptions = typical troll/shill behavior.

Almost nobody can be "isolated" by mainstream talking points as they come from all sides: Radio, TV, Magazines, Friends, Family sharing mainstream stuff over and over and over and over again. Not to mention the "WOKE" paranoia culture forced via more parts of society also pushed by MSM.

Most Alternative Media have studied/analyzed Mainstream Media lies so many times you can NOT assume "we do not know Mainstream" ... when you used the label "obsession" kind a funny & hilarious & epic fail.

Talk about contradicting yourself! First, you argue that I rely on mainstream media, and now you admit that no one can be isolated from them. What, then, is your point?

[ralfy]

I haven't bothered reading up on Agenda 21, but I can kind of guess the gist

However I saw this which might be food for thought


Mic Mike Michael
@UKtodayUK
Agenda 21 includes zoning areas and when I saw this tweet it reminded me.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2PCdpKWEAEFyLF?format=jpg&name=small


source: https://twitter.com/UKtodayUK/status/1397174130454237185

You'll find a copy of the report here:

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

The goal is sustainable development. That is, keep birth rates low so that economic growth can be maintained while ecological damage minimized.

It's actually been practiced in part for decades, starting with birth control policies during the 1970s. The problem is that increasing prosperity led to a drop in birth rates, leading to population aging for wealthy countries.

The part about ecosystem protection can't be followed because in order to lower birth rates elsewhere, income levels and infra dev't have to be increased, and that means major increases in fossil fuel use.

[ExomatrixTV]

ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy) quote: "Now, I have no idea why you are so obsessed with isolating yourself from mainstream media"

You have a lot to learn using/project so so MANY false assumptions = typical troll/shill behavior.

Almost nobody can be "isolated" by mainstream talking points as they come from all sides: Radio, TV, Magazines, Friends, Family sharing mainstream stuff over and over and over and over again. Not to mention the "WOKE" paranoia culture forced via more parts of society also pushed by MSM.

Most Alternative Media have studied/analyzed Mainstream Media lies so many times you can NOT assume "we do not know Mainstream" ... when you used the label "obsession" kind a funny & hilarious & epic fail.

Talk about contradicting yourself! First, you argue that I rely on mainstream media, and now you admit that no one can be isolated from them. What, then, is your point?


My point was already explained in previous ... if you are not able to see it ... is not my problem and if you want to make it my problem is a choice.

[jaybee]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

[Bubu]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

Why would he do that? The bulk of his wealth is credit--more than $120 billion--and all that will be useless with no global economy and world population. And what about the large parcels of farm land that he bought in the U.S.? Will he be making robots that will make even more robots that will do everything that humans should do while he and his fellow elite relax and enjoy themselves?

Depopulation makes no sense whatsoever to a global elite whose power lies essentially in credit.

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Maybe because capitalism/wealth (fake or not)/etc is not their target at all but only the means to achieve their goals

What are those goals? You can't answer, "to depopulate the earth," because that's the means towards those goals, right?

Do huge farming and other business without world population to buy? that sounds like a dumb good strategy.
I guess all the poisons out there for humans disproved depopulation.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

Even so, "enhanced immune systems" have already been a double-edged sword which has resulted in a plethora of autoimmune symptoms, and thus more capital profit for big biz through a multitude of new "treatments" for these symptoms and expanded medical "systems". If you scan investment tips and info, autoimmune pharma recommendations are exploding, and the price of these new drugs are horrendously expensive.

When will enough be enough?
Autoimmune Disease List (https://www.aarda.org/diseaselist/)

[onawah]

Wrong! I'm amazed that anyone on this forum could possibly think that, unless they are a shill or troll.



Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



IMHO, when considering who is behind the depopulation agenda and why, if you stop at the global elite who are also pawns, you haven't gone far enough.
The origin is off-world, and once you understand that, things fall into place much more logically.

[Hermoor]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.

The 'covax' is new and highly experimental technology. It's been around for 5 minutes so to speak, not more than a century.

It has not enhanced my uncle's immune system. The absolute opposite was the case. It lowered his immune system to the point where it almost killed him with a life threatening case of shingles which he is still recovering from many months later.

My uncle's experience was also shared in his community by many others. Numbers described to my uncle by his doctors and nurses as an all time high 'inundation'.

They were in better health than he, yet all got bad cases of shingles as their immune systems were interfered with, compromised and effectively lowered.

It is also noteworthy that the news of this 'inundation' (the specific words of doctors and nurses) was never reported in the local or wider media. It was left to the people of the community to compare notes and make their own minds up.

They quickly reached a unanimous decision together. "We were all fine until we took the vax. There's no way were are going to take another one."

[Matthew]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

It's no secret these mRNA vaccinations are radically different to traditional vaccines, like the original smallpox vaccine. Even with traditional vaccines, it's the manufacturing process that causes tragedy despite science being tried and tested. Manufacturing is vulnerable in an emergency.

It's generous calling mRNA vaccinations 'vaccines' because they work in such a different way they bear no resemblance to the vaccines used in the previous 200 years. I always wondered why they share the same name because the mRNA vaccine sounds more like an inoculation

[Hermoor]

The 'covax' is new and highly experimental technology. It's been around for 5 minutes so to speak

I just paused after reading my own words. And I felt like they slapped me senseless across my own face.

This tech has been around for 5 minutes, so to speak. Yet virtually everyone in the world is supposed to be regularly and continuously pumped full of it for the forseeable future, including children and even babies.

This is utter madness.

A few devils playing God to all of us. A few lunatics thinking they can fool and outsmart Mother Nature. A few quackademics claiming they can perfectly mimic the messages, functions and purposes of our entire physical organism and plenty more besides.

Utter madness.

[Matthew]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

It's no secret these mRNA vaccinations are radically different to traditional vaccines, like the original smallpox vaccine. Even with traditional vaccines, it's the manufacturing process that causes tragedy despite science being tried and tested. Manufacturing is vulnerable in an emergency.

It's generous calling mRNA vaccinations 'vaccines' because they work in such a different way they bear no resemblance to the vaccines used in the previous 200 years. I always wondered why they share the same name because the mRNA vaccine sounds more like an inoculation

It's harrowing that people don't realise the mRNA vaccines are different to the last 200 years. Even clever people are fooled which doesn't make sense because the difference was never a secret, actually the differences have been celebrated, so why and how do people still get this wrong???

[Bubu]

Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

It's no secret these mRNA vaccinations are radically different to traditional vaccines, like the original smallpox vaccine. Even with traditional vaccines, it's the manufacturing process that causes tragedy despite science being tried and tested. Manufacturing is vulnerable in an emergency.

It's generous calling mRNA vaccinations 'vaccines' because they work in such a different way they bear no resemblance to the vaccines used in the previous 200 years. I always wondered why they share the same name because the mRNA vaccine sounds more like an inoculation

It's harrowing that people don't realise the mRNA vaccines are different to the last 200 years. Even clever people are fooled which doesn't make sense because the difference was never a secret, actually the differences have been celebrated, so why and how do people still get this wrong???

two things "faith in the higher authorities" and "ignorance". When I saw the word mRNA I googled its meaning. 99.9% of people will simply ignore it.

[ralfy]

ralfy (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?46344-ralfy) quote: "Now, I have no idea why you are so obsessed with isolating yourself from mainstream media"

You have a lot to learn using/project so so MANY false assumptions = typical troll/shill behavior.

Almost nobody can be "isolated" by mainstream talking points as they come from all sides: Radio, TV, Magazines, Friends, Family sharing mainstream stuff over and over and over and over again. Not to mention the "WOKE" paranoia culture forced via more parts of society also pushed by MSM.

Most Alternative Media have studied/analyzed Mainstream Media lies so many times you can NOT assume "we do not know Mainstream" ... when you used the label "obsession" kind a funny & hilarious & epic fail.

Talk about contradicting yourself! First, you argue that I rely on mainstream media, and now you admit that no one can be isolated from them. What, then, is your point?


My point was already explained in previous ... if you are not able to see it ... is not my problem and if you want to make it my problem is a choice.

Here's what you first wrote:


If anyone tries to analyze/asses "logical motives" using mainstream media talking points perspectives (heavily guarded & controlled narratives) they LAUGH at you that you are so easily "convinced" you "solved" the riddle for them and us.

After that, you wrote:


Almost nobody can be "isolated" by mainstream talking points as they come from all sides: Radio, TV, Magazines, Friends, Family sharing mainstream stuff over and over and over and over again. Not to mention the "WOKE" paranoia culture forced via more parts of society also pushed by MSM.

After that,


Most Alternative Media have studied/analyzed Mainstream Media lies so many times you can NOT assume "we do not know Mainstream" ... when you used the label "obsession" kind a funny & hilarious & epic fail.

Thus, with no one isolated from mainstream media, then all points come from them, including those that challenge them. In short, the claim that mainstream media is false comes from the same.

So much for epic fails!

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Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

You mean vaccines, not "vaccine." There are several, and them of them use older technologies, like Sinovac.

Of course, they are all being released under emergency authorization, but only for these vaccines and because of the current pandemic. How that has to do with a depopulation program needs to be explained.

[ralfy]

The global economy is dominated by around 500 super-connected, multinational corporations, and their wealth grows through a combination of financial speculation and increasing sales of goods and services worldwide. They also control much of media and even pharma.

Given that, depopulation obviously works against them, as that would mean lower economic activity: capitalism requires the opposite. If so, then what they want is probably manageable population increase, e.g., the use of vaccines and medicine to profit but also to minimize the effects of disease, thus making more people productive workers and happy consumers.

Then why does Bill Gates advocate depopulation?

Why would he do that? The bulk of his wealth is credit--more than $120 billion--and all that will be useless with no global economy and world population. And what about the large parcels of farm land that he bought in the U.S.? Will he be making robots that will make even more robots that will do everything that humans should do while he and his fellow elite relax and enjoy themselves?

Depopulation makes no sense whatsoever to a global elite whose power lies essentially in credit.

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Maybe because capitalism/wealth (fake or not)/etc is not their target at all but only the means to achieve their goals

What are those goals? You can't answer, "to depopulate the earth," because that's the means towards those goals, right?

Do huge farming and other business without world population to buy? that sounds like a dumb good strategy.
I guess all the poisons out there for humans disproved depopulation.

Now, you're getting my point! Gates promoting a depopulation plan makes no sense because (a) the bulk of his wealth is in the form of credit and (b) whatever assets he purchases can only be usable with a large population.

That's why conspiracy theorists have to believe that the elite also developed robots, thus making not only workers/consumers but even capitalist systems irrelevant.

Some can even argue that the elite themselves are irrelevant because extraterrestials have taken over.

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Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

Even so, "enhanced immune systems" have already been a double-edged sword which has resulted in a plethora of autoimmune symptoms, and thus more capital profit for big biz through a multitude of new "treatments" for these symptoms and expanded medical "systems". If you scan investment tips and info, autoimmune pharma recommendations are exploding, and the price of these new drugs are horrendously expensive.

When will enough be enough?
Autoimmune Disease List (https://www.aarda.org/diseaselist/)

It's not so much enhance immunity that's involved as what Garrett reports are an estimated two million types of viruses, of which even with a fraction affecting human beings, more than enough to overwhelm them and other species eventually. And that does not include mutations.

[ralfy]

Wrong! I'm amazed that anyone on this forum could possibly think that, unless they are a shill or troll.



Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



IMHO, when considering who is behind the depopulation agenda and why, if you stop at the global elite who are also pawns, you haven't gone far enough.
The origin is off-world, and once you understand that, things fall into place much more logically.

You know, when I mentioned extraterrestials in my earlier message, I hadn't read your post yet. My point is that when things get zany, anything becomes possible.

Of course, one has to imagine that the same off-world beings are seeing their own world fall apart, which is why they want to take over this one, and that whatever advanced technologies they possessed which allowed them to travel long distances can't save them.

Unless they're not really off-world? Maybe Elder Ones dormant for so long in underground cities, now coming to power using the elite in reptilian form? That sounds logical, too, right?

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Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.

The 'covax' is new and highly experimental technology. It's been around for 5 minutes so to speak, not more than a century.

It has not enhanced my uncle's immune system. The absolute opposite was the case. It lowered his immune system to the point where it almost killed him with a life threatening case of shingles which he is still recovering from many months later.

My uncle's experience was also shared in his community by many others. Numbers described to my uncle by his doctors and nurses as an all time high 'inundation'.

They were in better health than he, yet all got bad cases of shingles as their immune systems were interfered with, compromised and effectively lowered.

It is also noteworthy that the news of this 'inundation' (the specific words of doctors and nurses) was never reported in the local or wider media. It was left to the people of the community to compare notes and make their own minds up.

They quickly reached a unanimous decision together. "We were all fine until we took the vax. There's no way were are going to take another one."

You mean new ways of making them? Vaccines have been around for more than a century.

I don't know anything about your uncle. Should I, and is his case verifiable? Does he also represent the population of those who received vaccines across many decades?

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Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

It's no secret these mRNA vaccinations are radically different to traditional vaccines, like the original smallpox vaccine. Even with traditional vaccines, it's the manufacturing process that causes tragedy despite science being tried and tested. Manufacturing is vulnerable in an emergency.

It's generous calling mRNA vaccinations 'vaccines' because they work in such a different way they bear no resemblance to the vaccines used in the previous 200 years. I always wondered why they share the same name because the mRNA vaccine sounds more like an inoculation

Actually, they're vaccines, and the technology was first used around three decades ago, although it was developed in the 1960s.

[Sue (Ayt)]

It's not so much enhance immunity that's involved as what Garrett reports are an estimated two million types of viruses, of which even with a fraction affecting human beings, more than enough to overwhelm them and other species eventually. And that does not include mutations.

Not sure who this Garrett is that you speak of, and from where this info is sourced.
Is it Laurie Garrett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Garrett)?
It sounds quite fear-inducing, as species have dealt with viruses and incorporated them in our bodies since ancient times.
The Human Genome Is Full of Viruses (https://medium.com/medical-myths-and-models/the-human-genome-is-full-of-viruses-c18ba52ac195)
Seems Nature has handled it to date...

edit to add a little joke:Angel:
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[Matthew]

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Vaccines don't destroy natural immune systems. Rather, they enhance them, which is why they've been used for more than a century.



This 'vaccine' is different to the old style ones and is described as genetic modification by many professionals...

Whether the Covid MRNA injections harm the natural immune system over time remains to be seen -
There are predictions by some that this may be the case...

Because there are no long term studies and it was released under emergency authorization... no ones knows how it will pan out -

It's no secret these mRNA vaccinations are radically different to traditional vaccines, like the original smallpox vaccine. Even with traditional vaccines, it's the manufacturing process that causes tragedy despite science being tried and tested. Manufacturing is vulnerable in an emergency.

It's generous calling mRNA vaccinations 'vaccines' because they work in such a different way they bear no resemblance to the vaccines used in the previous 200 years. I always wondered why they share the same name because the mRNA vaccine sounds more like an inoculation

Actually, they're vaccines, and the technology was first used around three decades ago, although it was developed in the 1960s.

Each to their own. mRNA vaccinations are totally different to the vaccinations we've used for the previous 200 years, and so mixing the two up is inaccurate in my opinion. I'm enjoying mine, enjoy yours!