List 3 main survival foods for storing in case of food shortages

[thepainterdoug]

Really looking for a short and doable list. Not canning, pickling and involved procedures
Whats easy and practical to store in a small space.

Mine are Rice ,canned tuna and canned or raw beans legumes etc.

I do have a gas burner to boil water in case no electricity.

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[Karen (Geophyz)]

Freeze dried fruit. Solid containers to hold all food to keep bugs out.

[Bill Ryan]

Three (3) is just a little limited!

Salt and oil are pretty important. (But canned tuna does contain those.)

For me, in no special order, the priority short list is:


Oats
Rice
Flour
Salt
Oil
Honey
Coffee
Tuna (or sardines)
Dried fruit.

[ramus]

I just looked this up the other day ..... It was interesting what kind of rice last the longest
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So can you freeze uncooked rice? Freezing uncooked is the best way to extend the shelf life of rice and make sure that it stays bug-free. ... All types of rice will last up to 30 years in the freezer except for brown rice, which will last up to 18 months in cold storage.Aug 14, 2020

Can You Freeze Uncooked Rice? – The Ultimate Storage ...
How long does uncooked rice last in the freezer?
How Long Does Rice Last?
Type of Rice At room temperature In the freezer
Uncooked brown rice 3 – 6 months 12 – 18 months
Uncooked wild rice 4 – 5 years Up to 30 years
Uncooked jasmine, basmati, arborio, etc. 4 – 5 years Up to 30 years
Cooked white rice Up to 2 hours Up to 6 months

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So can you freeze uncooked rice? Freezing uncooked is the best way to extend the shelf life of rice and make sure that it stays bug-free. ... All types of rice will last up to 30 years in the freezer except for brown rice, which will last up to 18 months in cold storage.Aug 14, 2020
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Follow these tips for storing uncooked rice: - To maximize the shelf life of rice, store in a cool dry area; after opening the package, place the uncooked rice in a sealed airtight container or place original package in a resealable heavy-duty freezer bag.
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[RunningDeer]

These are some that don’t require refrigeration and stores for a long time. The almond milk needs refrigeration after opening. It’s non-dairy and non-GMO. It’s a good combo with the raisin bran cereal which is also non-GMO.

I purchase the tuna pouches. It costs a little more per ounce but takes up less space. The cans are by weight but by comparison there’s very little water in the pouches. They are great single servings. I mix it in with pasta, sesame tahini and Bragg’s amino acids (salt replacement).

Almond Breeze Unsweetened Vanilla Almond Milk
Cascadian Farm Organic Raisin Bran
Barilla Protein PLUS Multigrain Rotini Pasta
Kevala Organic Sesame Tahini


I vacuum pack brown rice, beans, lentils, and such in glass mason jars. (Food Saver Vacuum Sealer (https://www.amazon.com/Food-Saver-Vacuum-Sealer-Machine/dp/B07VDH99P8/ref=asc_df_B07VDH99P8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=416903845669&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6023691593681591415&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003283&hvtargid=pla-887211349643&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97671772967&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=416903845669&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6023691593681591415&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003283&hvtargid=pla-887211349643) - you can reuse the lids and the bags)

[thepainterdoug]

WOW, ALL GREAT ADVICE SO FAR!!!!

I know whisky will keep

[Brigantia]

In addition to staples such as rice, pulses, pasta etc., it's essential to have a medium in which to cook a sauce or curry to accompany them; I don't think that I could tolerate plain boiled rice or pasta for long without an accompaniment.

So, I have a supply of olive, coconut and sunflower oils, plus butter in the freezer. Butter and hard cheeses freeze well, as does milk as long as it's not full fat. I also have a good supply of basics such as herbs and spices, plus flour - keep each bag of flour separately in an airtight container or a sealed plastic bag to prevent flour mites.

[DeDukshyn]

I recently stocked up:

Dried peas lentils and beans.
Rice
Pasta
Flour
Oil
Canned beans
Canned tomatoes
Canned tuna
Canned corned beef
Dried Pasta
Beef Jerky (homemade - well preserved)

I also have frozen meats and vegetables and other items in a small freezer - Its also winter in Canada I will move it outside where it should stay mostly frozen for some time if the power goes out. No bugs in the winter here :)

I also have wood heat / stove as an option and about a couple months worth of wood. Water can be drawn from the lake if needed.

[daddy-keith]

We must remember that, when it comes to survival foods, we need the most nutrition from the least food also the Healthiest foods that we can store. My training says do not use any processed foods like wheat flour. Eat the smallest fish like sardines. Do not use any processed oils like the common vegetable oils. use coconut or olive oils. Having said that, here is a list of super foods that you can research.

Bee Pollen. Can be stored in the fridge and a 1/4 tsp. taken every day.
Coconut. Store and grate hard jelly. Take a small bit every now and then.
Ghee. Clarified butter. The protein has been removed.
Rock salt. Preferably Himalayan if not, sea salt.
Schisandra Berry. Capsules
Chaga Mushrooms. Powder or capsule.
Nettle Tea. Grow your own nettle plant. They grow anywhere.
Noni. Store in a jar. Use one tsp. a day

[Metaphor]

All of the most obvious choices have been mentioned already.
Heres 3 that I would pick first and why:
Peanut butter (fast and efficient fuel when you need it the most, long shelf life even as opened and pretty cheap per calorie)
lentils (especially red lentils that are fast cooked=energy efficient. Lots of protein)
A collection of your favorite sauces and spiceblends (Preferably in big pack. For morale, when everything tastes the same this gives variation)

For more inspiration I suggest Canadian prepper (youtube)and the organic prepper (homepage), for someone reading this and is new to prepping.
Myself I always try to adjust my prep for no electricity & cold weather (a worst case scenario I really hope I dont have to endure as a father of 3)

[Kryztian]

Many of the things listed above here, but #1 is beans for sprouting (adzuki beans, green peas, lentils) and #2 seeds for sprouting (mostly broccoli sprouts). I live in an apartment in a city and this way I will always have fresh vegetable as long as I also have access to fresh water.

[Constance]

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[Anchor]

Did not see wheat grain / salt / yeast on the lists (except Bill's)

I would also add more oils, in particular Olive Oil - but I am biased because I make the stuff on my farm and I am therefore massively biased toward it.

With the above, I can make bread.

I see a lot of people storing flour. There is a catch with that you should take into account, which is that the nutritional value of flour tails of significantly as soon as you grind it and the oxygen gets to it.

Consider getting the appropriate grinders so you can make flour on demand and store the seeds you make the flour from as they will last longer that way and the nutritional value of the flour is much higher when freshly ground.

Having a grinder for wheat will give you the ability to barter that flour making service. (Mine is a hand cranked "country living" grain mill).

Great to see that many have oats on the lists - these are an often underrated but are a potential game changer - gluten free and store for years. I would recommend getting one of those roller presses so you can make oat flakes on demand. Those make the oats easy to eat with water as a breakfast, and oat groats (and wheat grains) will last a LONG time (>20years) if stored properly in airtight food grade buckets or vacuum sealed in food preserving bags.

Similarly wheat stores a long time, and you can make wheat grass with it and if you have a juicer then you can get a massive nutrient hit that way.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

You also need to remember to have seeds on hand (I keep mine in the freezer) to grow the next years crop! I make flour from acorns.

[Michi]

I do have a large bag of 100% natural vegan pea protein powder (GMO-free).
I add some to my daily spinach-banana-grapes smoothie (prep'd in my high speed blender).
In an emergency I could also mix the protein powder with water. :dancing:

[Sue (Ayt)]

I have a lot of cans of tomatoes stored along with quite a few bags of frozen veggies, besides the standard rice, dried beans, oats, barley.
I figure, I will make a lot of veggie soup, tossing in any vegetables, grains, pastas, etc that are on hand so nothing is wasted. Soups can go a long way.
Small amounts of meats can also be added, with all the various herbs and spices we have.

I always remember the old story "Stone Soup" when I think of being hungry.
How nice it would be if a community could all pitch in to make a huge kettle of soup with what each have on hand, and share in a meal during a crisis.
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[palehorse]

I guess it is very hard to survive on 3 items only.. but if I got no option in an extremely scenario with no electricity and have to make this hard choice, mine would be: anything root, nuts and wood bark (extract powder). But then it begs the question, what about water?

My short list would be more or less like this, most of these items I have stocked right now in a large plastic box container that fits on top of my old toyota..

- Nuts
- Rice
- Pasta/Noodles
- Canned Sardines or Mackerel (not big fan of tuna)
- Salt
- Spices in general
- Wheat/Tapioca Flour
- yeast
- Fuel (keronse/diesel) full tank + 2 or 3 larges cans (5 gallons at least each), best option would be to set the fuel before in the destination, in my case I can't leave stuffs like that unattended.
- Tobacco and Rum (great for barter on something else if necessary, I personally don't drink Rum, and smoke tobacco sometimes)

Not including any fruits/vegetables/herbs because supposedly I would bug out to our own land and we already got small produce over there, and I would start raising chickens straight away for eggs and meat.
My source for oil would be nuts and coconut, and I would have to learn how to extract oil from the coco, we got too much coconut trees in our land that would be a wasted resource, for now we only drink the water and eat the meat.

[Edit]
Forgot a very important item, Roasted Coffee Beans. Morning coffee is essential! Usually I ground it every week, then I always have fresh coffee. The instant coffee is pure poison here where I live.

[TomKat]

Don't store anything that you don't eat normally, or it will just go bad eventually.

[Ewan]

Useful thread and some great responses. I was going to add my own but they all got covered. :)

I'd particularly like to thank this post (below) for the info regarding grains/flour.


Did not see wheat grain / salt / yeast on the lists (except Bill's)

I would also add more oils, in particular Olive Oil - but I am biased because I make the stuff on my farm and I am therefore massively biased toward it.

With the above, I can make bread.

I see a lot of people storing flour. There is a catch with that you should take into account, which is that the nutritional value of flour tails of significantly as soon as you grind it and the oxygen gets to it.

Consider getting the appropriate grinders so you can make flour on demand and store the seeds you make the flour from as they will last longer that way and the nutritional value of the flour is much higher when freshly ground.

Having a grinder for wheat will give you the ability to barter that flour making service. (Mine is a hand cranked "country living" grain mill).

Great to see that many have oats on the lists - these are an often underrated but are a potential game changer - gluten free and store for years. I would recommend getting one of those roller presses so you can make oat flakes on demand. Those make the oats easy to eat with water as a breakfast, and oat groats (and wheat grains) will last a LONG time (>20years) if stored properly in airtight food grade buckets or vacuum sealed in food preserving bags.

Similarly wheat stores a long time, and you can make wheat grass with it and if you have a juicer then you can get a massive nutrient hit that way.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If electricity goes out small sized frozen food can be dehydrated to greatly extend freshness.
Solar dehydration. (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=2383)

Soup will be King. Store some spices to make life interesting.

Have a plan to vacuum pack (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=2383) your dehydrated food at home.

Have a small wood burning camp stove (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=669) to boil water. Wood may be the only fuel available.

Have a water plan. Where will you get water? (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=7246) Have a plan to clean your water (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178).

[thepainterdoug]

well I do have a water plan with large jugs filled around my apt . and I have a portable water survival filter device even for dirty water.
lets hope it doesnt come to this.

[RunningDeer]

well I do have a water plan with large jugs filled around my apt . and I have a portable water survival filter device even for dirty water.
lets hope it doesnt come to this.

Same here on a stash of liter size mason jars of water. Beside other places, I keep about 8 of them in the refrigerator. It’s a way to save a little on the electric bill. I alternate them out. Also when the electricity goes out it keeps things cool for a little longer.

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[Anchor]

All these filters are great. I have a katadyn in my car. You really need to practice though. I turned off my water for just a weekend and it is hugely illuminating how challenging it can be.


Berkey Care Lifetime Warranty

Lol - does it mean if you run out of water and die the warranty ends ?

[RunningDeer]

All these filters are great. I have a katadyn in my car. You really need to practice though. I turned off my water for just a weekend and it is hugely illuminating how challenging it can be.


Berkey Care Lifetime Warranty

Lol - does it mean if you run out of water and die the warranty ends ?

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[Trisher]

A small manual juicer. This could be a game changer for juicing nettles, grass, herbs etc for their fresh vital minerals and vitamins, when eating them would be impossible and cooking them would destroy most essentials.

:flower:

[Agape]

I would not forget of the following:

jars of pickles, good quality jams, sauerkraut, kimchi, pestos, marinated in oil can be stored for years without change to their quality, they can get even better and contain some precious energy and antioxidants you may miss in long winters, otherwise.

Blocks of cheese or dried cheese are also not difficult to preserve.

Skimmed milk or milk powder in sealed packets.

Rice flower, barley flower, tapioca pearls, seeds but in carefully sealed packets else they degrade fast.

Dried mushrooms.

......


Short list: the 10 pound jar of olives I could not carry last time 🙏😅

[Strat]

I'm more or less in the same boat given the question posed, 3 items and limited space: Rice and beans will feed you forever. Tuna you can open and eat w/o cooking if necessary and is healthy. In SHTF scenario I'd consider SPAM instead of tuna. So I agree with OP and don't have much to add I suppose lol.

I'd just suggest a couple things. I have a bit of experience from this because I've evacuated a few times to avoid hurricanes. So I'm not an authority but I've gone through this a few times, although under a different scenario than presented in the OP. Most importantly: beta test your plan. Meaning if you plan to have 'X' weeks of emergency supplies then come up with your plan, shop, then try it out for that amount of time now while all is calm. You want to test this out ahead of time to be prepared. Some things don't go the way you plan them to and you want to find the problem areas before SHTF. If you plan on boiling water with wood you find laying around then you should do so now to see what it's like. It's a serious PITA. Even with a Sterno stove it's a PITA. A few cap fulls of 90+% rubbing alcohol will get a small can of water boiling quickly. Handy to know in the moment.

I have a "to-go" bag for hurricanes. Since I'm on the road in an evacuation I avoid things that need to be cooked/boiled/whatever. Peanut butter is a fav and tuna is still on the menu along with SPAM (aka dog food). I mostly have canned goods, stuff that you can just pop open and eat. As for water, I wait for the SHTF, then I store water at 1 gallon per day.

The best way to purify the water if you collect it somehow is to boil it but I also have a filter for again, the SHTF scenario. Only problem is drinking water out of it is like trying to sip pudding through a straw.

[Constance]

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[RunningDeer]

As for water, I wait for the SHTF, then I store water at 1 gallon per day.

The best way to purify the water if you collect it somehow is to boil it but I also have a filter for again, the SHTF scenario. Only problem is drinking water out of it is like trying to sip pudding through a straw.

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[CurEus]

I like that people have listed salts and fats we can die without them.

In a perfect world of only 3 things, I would have a cow, some chickens and a pond with fish and salt :P

Realistically, I just bought a dehydrator and will be dehydrating fruits, nuts, veg, spices, mushrooms, meats sealing in mylar bags. As well as dry and wet canning the same. I'd like to get a freeze dryer eventually. I am not a "prepper" per se. I am a boater so I already keep a lot of items on hand that a very well equipped RV would have. I really just need some solar panels and a "solar generator". I was able to get a nice dehydrator so I'll be using that a lot for food storage.

I would like a cow and some chickens..and I would also like a tiny little farm somewhere warm.....one day.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Getting clean water by sucking through a straw then spitting it out into pot for re-hydrating dehydrated food may OK for some but maybe not be OK for others if the food is to be shared. Although when I think about deep kissing when I was a young man there may not be a great difference.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I like that people have listed salts and fats we can die without them.

In a perfect world of only 3 things, I would have a cow, some chickens and a pond with fish and salt :P

Realistically, I just bought a dehydrator and will be dehydrating fruits, nuts, veg, spices, mushrooms, meats sealing in mylar bags. As well as dry and wet canning the same. I'd like to get a freeze dryer eventually. I am not a "prepper" per se. I am a boater so I already keep a lot of items on hand that a very well equipped RV would have. I really just need some solar panels and a "solar generator". I was able to get a nice dehydrator so I'll be using that a lot for food storage.

I would like a cow and some chickens..and I would also like a tiny little farm somewhere warm.....one day.

What kind of dehydrator did you get? I have been looking at them, thinking I should have one. I have a cow. Pond went dry due to the drought. My nearest neighbors have chickens and they share eggs with me so that is covered! I have a lovely garden and a good well on solar. Trying to cover everything! I hope to get my house on solar soon.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

A small manual juicer. This could be a game changer for juicing nettles, grass, herbs etc for their fresh vital minerals and vitamins, when eating them would be impossible and cooking them would destroy most essentials.

:flower:


Any recommendation for a manual juicer?

[amor]

I blame GREY HAIR on alcohol consumption on a regular basis. It also signals that other deficiencies probably exist in the body. A good thing to have is one or more large boxes of NUTRITIONAL YEAST as well as other vitamins and minerals, especially vitamin C. In the last crisis these things disappeared from grocery and other shelves.

[thepainterdoug]

amor interesting. i remember richard avadons photo show of bums and drifters across the country. what amazed me is they all had full heads of dark hair. perhaps they were young

[CurEus]

I think Brewer's yeast that is Marmite in Australia and something similar in the UK is Vegemite. They both taste like dirty socks to me...but beloved by many.

I would just add a few things that are not "items"

Health: Focus on becoming as healthy as you can be.
Strength/Endurance: Small things like walking daily, going up and down stairs, lunges and doing pushups against a wall, stretching requires no investments in equipment for those just starting out. You can build from there just by doing more stairs, walking further longer stretches...

Diet: you know what you need to do. there are literally 100's of approaches. When starving we do not live off our fat stores, we live off our muscle tissue first. This is not so with fasting. It takes practice to get it right. Be aware if like me you have a restricted diet in times of duress vegans may have to eat meat and I will have to eat bread...which will make me sick. Humans are omnivoress for a reason..to survive. I will not debate "ideal diets" there isn't one for everyone.

Teeth: get anything that needs to be fixed now again there are 100's of approaches to dentistry. For those without amalgam fillings oil pulling is excellent.

Things you definitely DO NOT NEED:
Addictions....be it sugar, alcohol, drugs/narcotics, cigarettes. They are great to trade but horrible if you are dependent on them, if you are stock up.....addicts do odd things to get a fix. Don't be that person.

[Anchor]

I blame GREY HAIR on alcohol consumption on a regular basis.

All those Guru's and enlightened masters with grey hair and white hair would like to have a word with you about this generalization...


I think that is Marmite in Australia and something similar in the UK is Vegemite. They both taste like dirty socks to me.

Did I miss some context? I take it neither of these are in your top three then?

IMO Vegemite and Marmite are very different. To the extent that to me Vegemite is less potent and tastes like Marmite mixed with chalk. Both are an acquired taste. There is only one Marmite and its super hard to get it here in Australia - I have even resorted to importing some into Australia myself before now from the UK - but I have finally had to let go of my need to consume it. Other options exist. No one has marmite on toast over here anymore, its gonna be something like smashed avo on toast.

[Trisher]

A small manual juicer. This could be a game changer for juicing nettles, grass, herbs etc for their fresh vital minerals and vitamins, when eating them would be impossible and cooking them would destroy most essentials.

:flower:


Any recommendation for a manual juicer?

I bought mine years ago and the brand no longer exists. The juicer needs to be stainless steel. hand cranked, able to clamp to a firm surface and be able to juice wheatgrass. I see there are plenty on Amazon uk which are manufactured in China.

[Ewan]

I blame GREY HAIR on alcohol consumption on a regular basis.

All those Guru's and enlightened masters with grey hair and white hair would like to have a word with you about this generalization...


Well.... maybe not. Quite a few may have hit the bottle before realising that was not the answer. :beer:

[amor]

To all those with GREY HAIR out there, my suggestion was not intended as a JAB. (I am shaking with laughter as I try to type this.) Did I forget to say Nutritional Yeast FLAKES OR POWDER, the flakes taste better, the powder may require control to swallow. My parents used to buy Marmite, etc. I discovered a jar which jogged my memory and so I bought one. This thing tasted like brine, and so, not wanting to rob the embalmer of a not too distant future fee, I threw it in the garbage.

In addition to things I had read on nutrition, I was thinking about the dearest friend I ever made (in high school). As we maneuvered the perils of young adulthood in NYC, interspersed with gales of laughter when comparing experiences, she mentioned a favorite drink mix she would order when out on the town containing tequila as one ingredient. I took a taste of her drink once. It tasted absolutely ghastly, reminding me of the time my foster grandmother let me take a puff of her cigarette, I was nine years old and spent the rest of the week doing everything I could think of to remove nicotine from my mouth. Back to my friend. She apparently continued the habit of having this favorite drink around dinner time. I was not, therefore, surprised to hear after several years of marriage that her hair had turned prematurely grey and was costing her a fortune to have her hairdresser restore the color. She had plenty of hair. We were like sisters. Thousands of miles apart we seemed to know what was on the mind of the other. In 2010, I received a mental message, "If you don't call her this minute you will never be able to speak with her again." She told me that the very next day she was scheduled to have surgery on THREE heart valves. I got her husbands telephone number then. At the time the operation was supposed to be completed, I called him. He told me she had just DIED, never having recovered consciousness. To Doug who is interested in messages etc. beyond death, she has communicated with me three times. Although this may seem off topic, habitual alcohol will get you one way or another. If you possibly can, try drinking something else. Whenever I am presented with "what to drink" at home, all of this goes through my head as tea, coffee, fruit juice or water. I never touch soft drinks which are sugar bombs.

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There's been a few mentions of getting enough for 'weeks', I'm thinking years. I'm stocking up as many of the things I prefer that will last a couple years because prices will skyrocket and choices will greatly diminish.

I'm also trying to figure out which indoor/led vegetable garden system to get going now for year round greens and tomatoes and misc.


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[DaveToo]

Don't store anything that you don't eat normally, or it will just go bad eventually.

Not unless there is a food shortage and you are desperate to eat anything to survive. :)

[palehorse]

There's been a few mentions of getting enough for 'weeks', I'm thinking years. I'm stocking up as many of the things I prefer that will last a couple years because prices will skyrocket and choices will greatly diminish.

I'm also trying to figure out which indoor/led vegetable garden system to get going now for year round greens and tomatoes and misc.


I started using this signature April 6, and the false 'statistics' are still the foundational lie/excuse for all the self-destructions
of life/livelihoods/liberties people are being duped and/or shamed into doing to themselves and each other. Pretty clever.
https://i.postimg.cc/wvHD1DQd/avalon-signature.jpg

My last experience stocking rice, it was about 75 kilos of jasmine rice, and I can say almost half of it was completely wasted by mold, it is very hard to store things for long time in hot and humid climate, even the government cooperatives suffered from mold years ago and lost a great number of their annual exports that year. Today I have 40 kilos in stock, I learned by mistake that is the limit I can store for a family of 3 person. It will take a year to consume it all, we do not eat rice that much.

In regards of vegetables, this is one idea and it is working out for me, perennial vegetables plant once and harvest for a long time.
Almost no maintenance, you have to learn what grows well in your specific climate, and perennials are more resistant than other crops. I learned with some elderly when a perennial catch a decease, the best option is to remove it completely, then start a new plant, do not try to control pests in perennials, it is a waste of time.

Here is a small list of perennials:

Do not requite much space
- kale
- asparagus (take long to establish but after that it is just harvest)
- wild leeks (great to plant in a shady corner, my friend is planting is a large rectangular vase - ref.: https://www.ediblewildfood.com/wild-leek.aspx)
- many roots like (3G meds) galangal, ginger, garlic, also radish and taro (great for soups and fried as snacks).
- berry bushes (almost all berries are perennial, they grow like weed after established)
- artichokes
- green long beans (quite taste)
- mushrooms (I found out it require quite a lot of work to take care, they are like babies, very sensitive, we also picked many times the wild ones in the jungle (they are perennials in nature), I even tried to grow them in a small controlled space, but they hate that hahaahah not a single one grew up)

Require some space
- papaya (we use for salad when green, and fruit for smooths when ripe)
- bananas (it just keep growing and sprouting everywhere)
- coconut (sometimes we put down coconut trees because 5 more is growing around)
- bamboo shoots (be careful it is very invasive perennial, the shoots are great for eat, very nutritive)
- any citrus plant like lemons, oranges, tangerines, pomelos will do well for decades providing fruits every season.
- avocado (my favorite).
- jack fruit (the king's fruit, amazing taste, but large tree, problem is once you harvest you have to eat, some lady told me is possible to dry and make powder of it, but I can't see real use of the powder)
- noni (it grows wildly in our land, we eat as salad, but most people I know in other countries they make a very powerful juice from it)

There exist hundreds if not thousands of edible species, but you have to plant what grows well in your climate.

Some of them are also annual crops, when you harvest you can process it, like drying and pack, or freeze, or prepare some delicious pickles and store for a long time (I have my ginger and bamboo shoots from last year, still fresh like a year ago, the old it gets the better it taste).

In our land we do not take care of anything on a daily basis, but if we do not interfere sometimes it just start to take over, papayas grow like weed, Galanga root infested the place time ago, we had to dig it out because it was spreading fast, just like the bamboo plant, it grows naturally in our land, every since in a while we have to dig to remove the roots because it spread in the soil, it goes sideways and not deep in the soil (invasive).

I do recommend this book here > https://www.pdfdrive.com/perennial-vegetables-d194981991.html

I am still in learning process in order to be able to survive 100% from the land, I believe it will take a little while until I move definitely to the land, but you do not need to be in the land in order to have perennials, my cousin she is planting a lot in the walls (using some Japanese techniques).

Happy farming :)

[Trisher]

There's been a few mentions of getting enough for 'weeks', I'm thinking years. I'm stocking up as many of the things I prefer that will last a couple years because prices will skyrocket and choices will greatly diminish.

I'm also trying to figure out which indoor/led vegetable garden system to get going now for year round greens and tomatoes and misc.


I started using this signature April 6, and the false 'statistics' are still the foundational lie/excuse for all the self-destructions
of life/livelihoods/liberties people are being duped and/or shamed into doing to themselves and each other. Pretty clever.
https://i.postimg.cc/wvHD1DQd/avalon-signature.jpg

My last experience stocking rice, it was about 75 kilos of jasmine rice, and I can say almost half of it was completely wasted by mold, it is very hard to store things for long time in hot and humid climate, even the government cooperatives suffered from mold years ago and lost a great number of their annual exports that year. Today I have 40 kilos in stock, I learned by mistake that is the limit I can store for a family of 3 person. It will take a year to consume it all, we do not eat rice that much.

In regards of vegetables, this is one idea and it is working out for me, perennial vegetables plant once and harvest for a long time.
Almost no maintenance, you have to learn what grows well in your specific climate, and perennials are more resistant than other crops. I learned with some elderly when a perennial catch a decease, the best option is to remove it completely, then start a new plant, do not try to control pests in perennials, it is a waste of time.

Here is a small list of perennials:

Do not requite much space
- kale
- asparagus (take long to establish but after that it is just harvest)
- wild leeks (great to plant in a shady corner, my friend is planting is a large rectangular vase - ref.: https://www.ediblewildfood.com/wild-leek.aspx)
- many roots like (3G meds) galangal, ginger, garlic, also radish and taro (great for soups and fried as snacks).
- berry bushes (almost all berries are perennial, they grow like weed after established)
- artichokes
- green long beans (quite taste)
- mushrooms (I found out it require quite a lot of work to take care, they are like babies, very sensitive, we also picked many times the wild ones in the jungle (they are perennials in nature), I even tried to grow them in a small controlled space, but they hate that hahaahah not a single one grew up)

Require some space
- papaya (we use for salad when green, and fruit for smooths when ripe)
- bananas (it just keep growing and sprouting everywhere)
- coconut (sometimes we put down coconut trees because 5 more is growing around)
- bamboo shoots (be careful it is very invasive perennial, the shoots are great for eat, very nutritive)
- any citrus plant like lemons, oranges, tangerines, pomelos will do well for decades providing fruits every season.
- avocado (my favorite).
- jack fruit (the king's fruit, amazing taste, but large tree, problem is once you harvest you have to eat, some lady told me is possible to dry and make powder of it, but I can't see real use of the powder)
- noni (it grows wildly in our land, we eat as salad, but most people I know in other countries they make a very powerful juice from it)

There exist hundreds if not thousands of edible species, but you have to plant what grows well in your climate.

Some of them are also annual crops, when you harvest you can process it, like drying and pack, or freeze, or prepare some delicious pickles and store for a long time (I have my ginger and bamboo shoots from last year, still fresh like a year ago, the old it gets the better it taste).

In our land we do not take care of anything on a daily basis, but if we do not interfere sometimes it just start to take over, papayas grow like weed, Galanga root infested the place time ago, we had to dig it out because it was spreading fast, just like the bamboo plant, it grows naturally in our land, every since in a while we have to dig to remove the roots because it spread in the soil, it goes sideways and not deep in the soil (invasive).

I do recommend this book here > https://www.pdfdrive.com/perennial-vegetables-d194981991.html

I am still in learning process in order to be able to survive 100% from the land, I believe it will take a little while until I move definitely to the land, but you do not need to be in the land in order to have perennials, my cousin she is planting a lot in the walls (using some Japanese techniques).

Happy farming :)

I agree Palehorse. There will be foods that we fill up on that are not necessarily nutritious on a long term basis. If we have access to foraging and also perennials then we at least get fresh food. Eating is also about the "light energy" in food. The essential life-force energy it gives us. Light energy is only available in fresh, uncooked, unprocessed foods.
I like the idea of guerilla gardening. Its called that because you plant perennials in the wild around you where you can. Things like wild garlic, wild strawberries and even nettles would go unnoticed. Its not about introducing a non-native species but something that is already able to thrive where you live. In doing this you help all wild-life and you help others who also need to forage in times of scarcity.
We would be much healthier eating less packaged and processed foods and eating fresh grown and foraged foods with concentrated nutrients and life-force.

:flower:

[waves]

Palehorse....I didn't even think about perennial vegetables or which ones were, great tip, thank you. Let's not forget that the beginning of this takedown included a few instances of trying out banning the purchase of seeds!!!

Do you think rice still won't do well stored over a year in a humid climate by the mylar method? I found it easy to suck out the air before sealing a 5 pound bag, and instructions include always including an oxygen absorber inside, then it's supposedly good for 10-20 years. I also froze the rice for a week first before packing to kill any critters.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Vacuum packing at home. Here are a few methods. Some methods do not require electricity, some do. Vacuum packing removes most moisture and oxygen from a sealed container of stored food.

Link (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=4097)

[amor]

Buy a large quantity of paper plates and some disposable plastic plates and cups. A lot of water is required to wash the simplest plate, dish, cup or pot. Even with care to be frugal in their use, they can save your water for drinking, cooking and sponge bathing. Ghee instead of butter in small cans will go far without a refrigerator I believe.

[palehorse]

I agree Palehorse. There will be foods that we fill up on that are not necessarily nutritious on a long term basis. If we have access to foraging and also perennials then we at least get fresh food. Eating is also about the "light energy" in food. The essential life-force energy it gives us. Light energy is only available in fresh, uncooked, unprocessed foods.
I like the idea of guerilla gardening. Its called that because you plant perennials in the wild around you where you can. Things like wild garlic, wild strawberries and even nettles would go unnoticed. Its not about introducing a non-native species but something that is already able to thrive where you live. In doing this you help all wild-life and you help others who also need to forage in times of scarcity.
We would be much healthier eating less packaged and processed foods and eating fresh grown and foraged foods with concentrated nutrients and life-force.

:flower:

thanks Trisher about mentioned "light energy", it was like a bell ringing in my head ;) I still consume some industrialized products like bread (sometimes too lazy to bake), cheese (I have no idea how to make cheese, no raw milk, i guess will need a cow and some bacteria), cooking oil (I am looking into home made coconut oil, already know how to process the milk and the fat that comes together), and a few other stuffs, spaguetti (I would love to learn how to make it, if not too labour) time to find alternatives!



Palehorse....I didn't even think about perennial vegetables or which ones were, great tip, thank you. Let's not forget that the beginning of this takedown included a few instances of trying out banning the purchase of seeds!!!

Do you think rice still won't do well stored over a year in a humid climate by the mylar method? I found it easy to suck out the air before sealing a 5 pound bag, and instructions include always including an oxygen absorber inside, then it's supposedly good for 10-20 years. I also froze the rice for a week first before packing to kill any critters.

The perennials is the way the folks living of the land are doing for ages around our place and sure many other places as well.
Absolutely, seeds are very important to store, I have quite a few in cans and small carton packages, not the best method for storage but it is working, also I rotate them, the old ones goes first to the land, I have stickers on it with the date of collection/purchase, local name and scientific name on it, you can't go wrong.

Yes, thank you for the mylar method, I heard about it many years ago but never tried, I will definitely explore the idea, since in the country side most people (include my in laws) do not have a fridge/freezer in their homes, some of them not even electricity!

Here I am sharing this photo, it is a local rice storage used by the farmers (each farmer's house has one more or less like this, some are really big), my father in law built it when he was actively farming, he used to store the harvest (rice with hulls) and kept in there until find buyers, nowadays after he passed away the young generation won't even bother looking into this stuffs (i guess there is easier methods available like the mylar) they kept the little rice storage to decorate the place, it is rotting now, no real use for that.

https://i.imgur.com/ssVDD8b.jpeg

p.s. I never noticed anyone using the mylar method in the country side, I believe due to the abundance of rice, and Thai people eat a lot of rice with everything, no one really stock on rice, I am stocking because I am in the city right now and I do not know if things will get creepy over here, hopefully not.

[amor]

I have a distant cousin somewhere East of Tampa who bought a small parcel of land, enough to keep come cows, and he has built a large chicken coup. Before I knew what he was building this "house" for, as a lark, I asked him what the rent was. Those are lucky chickens!

[amor]

I remember reading somewhere, some time ago, that heating in an oven at 105 degrees for a short time is helpful before packing foods for storage. I presume this referred to things like grain or rice. The specifications for this preliminary work may be somewhere on line.

[amor]

I would like to record here something which is of nutritional value in selecting food to grow and where to grow it in the case of avocado pears. For three years of my life, I lived on a volcanic island with some distant relatives. They had some land on a side of a mountain and on the flat bottom. The soil was volcanic and filled with fallen coco leaves and fruit leaves with their accumulated nutrition. In the prolific orchard grew avocado pears. They are the very finest in flavor because of the minerals accumulated in the soil from past volcanic eruptions plus years of accumulated rotting organic matter. By comparison, the avocados from our supermarket are tasteless, except for some Haas avocados, now and then, which may have been grown in similar soil. I often think that Dominica would be an ideal place to grow fruit for export everywhere because of the nutrients in the soil; that is, if you don't mind being blown into orbit from time to time by their volcano.

[thepainterdoug]

Palehorse, the rice storage barn is about the size of my apartment ! :happythumbsup:

[palehorse]

Vacuum packing at home. Here are a few methods. Some methods do not require electricity, some do. Vacuum packing removes most moisture and oxygen from a sealed container of stored food.

Link (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=4097)

Sir, thank you very much, your website is very informative, I added to my bookmarks. :handshake:

[palehorse]

Palehorse, the rice storage barn is about the size of my apartment ! :happythumbsup:

Thepainterdoug, this one is the small size maybe 20 sq. meter, you can just stand inside, it is about 2 meters, I had seen others 10x the size of this one, this is a very old type of building, I would say it is almost as a Cob house (mud house), because they use the same principle to build, it is naturally insulated with the sticks in between the mud walls, I remember my in law saying something about bulls excrement, clay, sand and rice straw to make the mixture (cement) for the walls.. our mud oven was built using the same principle, not sure if it has excrement though, all I can say it has no smell at all ahahah

[Brenya]

Lots of really good ideas in this thread. They've given me a lot to think about and consider.

For my three, I think I'd probably go with dry beans, dry brown rice, and chia seeds. All three of those can be sprouted in addition to cooking the rice and beans. Chia offers good fat plus protein and nutrients. I have a still I could use if I needed to treat water to drink.

[Antagenet]

1. Oatmeal
2. Dehydrated Tomato Powder
3. Dehydrated Potato flakes
4. Canned Sardines and Tuna
5. Ghee
6. Coconut oil
7. Salt, Tamari and Soy sauce
8. Honey, sugar and molasses
9. lentils for sprouting
10. Chia and flax seeds.
11. Apple Cider Vinegar
12. Powdered Milk
13. Spices and Herbs both culinary and medicinal
14. Pasta and Cous Cous.

[Trisher]

There are many good suggestions on this thread. It is evident from reading the various lists and ideas that we need the right equipment for cooking if we no longer have access to gas or electricity. We also need to consider how we can move forward with food foraging and growing food if there really is no more in the shops and our stored food eventually runs out. It is up to us how far down that line we want to go.

Good books on eating and gathering wild food and books on survival techniques, gardening and seed saving, fermenting, bottling, canning and veg storing, would be useful but reading them before things get tough is essential. Getting to know the area we live in and the whereabouts of edible wild foods and also the people who would share and trade and help.

Ideally we should be incorporating a few things into our lives right now to make us more self sufficient. This could range from growing our own fruit and veg on land to growing in window boxes and balconies. It might include making our first jar of fermented veggies or identifying an edible weed.

Right now in the UK there are lorry loads of food stuck in docks in long queues from here to christmas. There is utter joy in learning to start taking responsibility for growing or foraging food. The system we have has taken us far away from this and is now bringing us back with a jolt. A silver lining amongst the chaos.
:flower:

[Karen (Geophyz)]

There are many good suggestions on this thread. It is evident from reading the various lists and ideas that we need the right equipment for cooking if we no longer have access to gas or electricity. We also need to consider how we can move forward with food foraging and growing food if there really is no more in the shops and our stored food eventually runs out. It is up to us how far down that line we want to go.

Good books on eating and gathering wild food and books on survival techniques, gardening and seed saving, fermenting, bottling, canning and veg storing, would be useful but reading them before things get tough is essential. Getting to know the area we live in and the whereabouts of edible wild foods and also the people who would share and trade and help.

Ideally we should be incorporating a few things into our lives right now to make us more self sufficient. This could range from growing our own fruit and veg on land to growing in window boxes and balconies. It might include making our first jar of fermented veggies or identifying an edible weed.

Right now in the UK there are lorry loads of food stuck in docks in long queues from here to christmas. There is utter joy in learning to start taking responsibility for growing or foraging food. The system we have has taken us far away from this and is now bringing us back with a jolt. A silver lining amongst the chaos.
:flower:

I started with a book called "Foraging Texas". I would imagine they are available for all areas. I also store seeds each year from my harvest to plant the next season. It takes some work and practice but anyone can do it even in an apartment or small space.

[Constance]

If you have an overabundance of food in your own backyard, or you know of someone who does, here is a great website to share

http://fallingfruit.org/

[Jim_Duyer]

My wife and I recently began growing giant rabbits, called Flemish rabbits. They eat grasses, so no need for extra food beyond a few simple plants with iron and vitamins, and they get to about 38 pounds - the size of a medium dog when full grown. Their litter is smaller - 3 to 4, but they are hardy and very mellow.

[Sirus]

Laziza packets of spice: http://www.kingofspice.com/laziza_spices.html
Red lentils
Tins of mackerel in sunflower oil

You can have so many delicious meals from spice mixes, plus the ingredients are nutritious and some have medicinal properties.

[Bubu]

Sugar, salt and spices makes anything taste better.

[Antagenet]

1. Oatmeal
2. Dehydrated Tomato Powder
3. Dehydrated Potato flakes
4. Canned Sardines and Tuna
5. Ghee
6. Coconut oil
7. Salt, Tamari and Soy sauce
8. Honey, sugar and molasses
9. lentils for sprouting
10. Chia and flax seeds.
11. Apple Cider Vinegar
12. Powdered Milk
13. Spices and Herbs both culinary and medicinal
14. Pasta and Cous Cous.

OK after living off of many preps during Covid, Here is my NEW and UPDATED Storage prep list!
And the winners are..... drum roll.
1. Tamari (love it and cant see living without it)
2. Coconut Oil (so useful both inside and outside body. It also helped me get off of sugar and milk. I mix it in my coffee.)
3. Spices and Herbs, most importantly Curry Powder, and Paprika.
4. Chocolate (dark, for baking) I ran out and missed it so much.
5. Vitamins. Especially B and C.
6. Coffee
7. Baby Clam Sauce (much tastier than sardines or tuna)
8. Dehydrated Potato Powder. Easy on the stomach and versatile.
9. Ghee
10. Molasses, Honey, Maple syrup, Sugar and Marmalades.

I'd be interested in anyone's updated picks.