Discussion on the reliability of alternative media sources and personas

[Deneon]

I’ve thought long about whether or not I should make this post. This is obviously a sensitive subject. Untill now I decided against it, because, I thought, what is the point? What will I achieve? What prompted me to do it today, is reading a couple of replies in most of the big 2020 Elections and Qanon threads where, when some critical questions were asked, the users asking this questions were once again personally attacked, when all they do is point out that the track record of all the predictions from hese sources has not been very impressive.

I’ve had my share of accusations as well when I pointed out verifiable false facts being shared on those threads. It was clearly not appreciated. One user suggested making my own thread if I wanted to discuss these things. So I guess this is that thread.

Contrary to what some of you may believe, I do not enjoy being called a sleeper agent or whatever you think I am. I don’t like the attention and I don’t like any conflict. In fact, I was hoping someone else would make this sort of post so I didn’t have to.

What I hope to achieve with this thread is a discussion without any personal attacks on any of its contributors. So here goes.

“…mass arrests imminent…”
“..500.000 Chinese troops at our borders…”
“…deep state is done tomorrow..”
“…Epstein will testify tomorrow..
“…Kraken released tomorrow…”
“..we have them exactly where we want them..”
“..Insurrection Act has been signed yesterday..”
“..Emergency Broadcast System will be used tomorrow by Trump..”
“..martial law is in effect..”
“..Pelosi has been arrested..”
“..military will back Trump and arrest Biden for treason..”
“..The new Trump is a double, the original will save us all..”
“..Trust the plan, tomorrow everything will go down..”
“..Trump declassified everything yesterday..”
“..blackouts this week, stock up on supplies..”
“..tomorrow Trump will be our president and 500.000 arrests will be made..”
“..communication will be down tomorrow..”
“..FCC told tv stations their broadcast will be hijacked..”
“..teachers are told to prepare for emergency broadcasts..”
“..the reset is happening any day now..”
“..this is it, today is the day..”
“..tomorrow all the cards are on the table..”
“..the military is backing Trump and will protect his presidency..”
“..10 days of darkness..”

The list goes on and on. First it was November 4, then it was November 14, then it was December for sure, then it was January 6th. Then it was January 12th. Then it was January 18th. Then it was January 20th. And now I’m seeing March 4th being mentioned more and more when Trump will be inaugurated as the 19th president of the old Republic. And his horoscope looks good for March as well so THIS TIME, it must be true, And I’m sure that if nothing happens on or before March 4, there will be some other date when Trump will reveal his master plan.

I see no difference between this and all the end of the world predictions that are delayed time and time again after their predictions have not come true. I stress again, I’m not a Biden supporter, I think big tech censoring Trump is really, REALLY bad and I agree 1000% that the mainstream media is deliberately manipulating EVERYONE.

That being said. at what point can we safely conclude that the likes of Qanons, Lin Wood, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, Mike Adams, 100s of twitter users, and websites like beforeitsnews.com and countless others spreading similar stories are not, or at the very least, no longer trustworthy?

And at what point is anyone still trusting these sources and sharing their fantasies any better than someone trusting and sharing stuff from CNN?

At what point does someone blindly sharing these stories become part of the problem, instead of part of the solution?

And most importantly: When can we have this discussion on this forum, without being personally attacked and be called a shill, a low information citizen, an antifa agent, a sleeper account or worse?

One of the moderators mentioned in another thread that she feared for the forum for the reasons I describe above (which again, was met by ridicule). I want to say: there have been many times where I decided not to post something because I was basically told to f off in the past. I'm sure others that are critical of the behaviour I outlined above see these attacks and decide against posting. It's either that or this part of the forum has really become an echo chamber.

One example of this is the meme at the bottom of this post. I saw the meme posted on Reddit a couple days ago and thought it was funny. I contemplated posting it in the Memes thread, but ultimately I decided against it (untill now I guess). Now this is obviously just for fun, but the same thing happened with 'serious' posts.

I would expect Avalon to be a place where we can have a discussion about all this, without any personal attacks. I guess we'll find out.


https://i.imgur.com/PrGnpzg.jpg

[Chris Gilbert]

Good, well-needed discussion! I'm glad too that you made a new thread.

I will note that many may need time to process things. Regardless of whether one is right or wrong, when strong emotions are involved the five stages of grief/healing often come into play. Said stages can take weeks or longer to occur, and it may be better to give people space to vent during that time.

I do agree however about the state of alternative media and discussions. There are certainly gems out there, and said gems are like tiny sprouts which, if allowed time to grow, can topple the mainstream narrative like a strangler fig tree growing out of its host plant. Said sprouts CANNOT grow however if they are choked out by the 99% weeds that much alternative and conspiracist discussions lapse into. In short, I think we all need to be better. Deeper analysis and comprehensive awareness.

[TargeT]

That being said. at what point can we safely conclude that the likes of Qanons, Lin Wood, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, Mike Adams, 100s of twitter users, and websites like beforeitsnews.com and countless others spreading similar stories are not, or at the very least, no longer trustworthy?

And at what point is anyone still trusting these sources and sharing their fantasies any better than someone trusting and sharing stuff from CNN?


Does not the consumer have any weight in this assessment? we are not forced to consume and agree with these people... they very well could be extremely genuine, yet just wrong.

does it have to be shill or savior? Liar or trustworthy? where's the in between?


also, how come this instance stands out for you, because it's happening right now? I mean.... isn't this kind of the norm for "alternative" media?

[ZenBaller]

You are on spot. The explanation for all this is quite simple but difficult to discern. People who start to realize that we are living in a highly controlled and manipulated society, go into a reactive, revolutionary mode which is normal as a first step. This is accompanied by high ideals. Hence, all their focus goes into projections about a war against the cabal where Good defeats Evil. This takes various forms like the silly notion of mass arrests, idolizing a spoiled selfish billionaire in the face of Trump, waiting for disclosure by a highly corrupt government and several key dates that will "change everything" but nothing ever happens.

We are still in the phase in which we have to understand that evolution comes through transformation of duality and not through conflict with the current status quo.

[Deneon]

In the interest of not "derailing" any of the other threads with facts, I will just add to this one.

Since the inauguration, a video has been making the rounds in the alternative community, showing military members with their backs to the Bidens motorcade. This video has already been posted on one of the threads here on Avalon as well. It is suggested that this is done in protest and and suggested this is evidence that the military does not support Biden, and that they are still waiting on Trumps orders to take over somehow.

Here is the video of Trumps inauguration motorcade 4 years ago: https://www.c-span.org/video/?422243-102/trump-inaugural-parade-motorcade

Not surprisingly, you will see members of all kinds of law enforcement agencies facing away from the motorcade.

In this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1405556&viewfull=1#post1405556) post it is suggested that the real General McInerney is also sharing this video to his followers, suggesting the military is still on Trumps side.

This begs the question: Since one can easily verify that this is not something out of the ordinary, is the general just ignorant about this? Or is he spreading this information, knowing full well it is normal operating procedure? Why should we trust the information of this man, or anyone else that is spreading this nonsense, if it is so easily verifiable that what is being suggested is not true?

And, to take it one step further: why don't Avalon members posting this take the time, like I did, to investigate if this is indeed something out of the ordinary, before posting (about) it?

[Deneon]

That being said. at what point can we safely conclude that the likes of Qanons, Lin Wood, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, Mike Adams, 100s of twitter users, and websites like beforeitsnews.com and countless others spreading similar stories are not, or at the very least, no longer trustworthy?

And at what point is anyone still trusting these sources and sharing their fantasies any better than someone trusting and sharing stuff from CNN?


Does not the consumer have any weight in this assessment? we are not forced to consume and agree with these people... they very well could be extremely genuine, yet just wrong

They can very well be genuine and fully believe what they are saying. If you are wrong time and time again, and you KEEP being wrong, then I think it's fair to question the validity of their information. Whether or not they believe what they say is not even relevant.


does it have to be shill or savior? Liar or trustworthy? where's the in between?

Of course it's not always either/or. But, in this case, how many of the 100 claims that have been made, have come true? Even if it's 30%, and I think I'm being generous here, again, I believe there is reason enough to justify questioning the validity of their information.


also, how come this instance stands out for you, because it's happening right now? I mean.... isn't this kind of the norm for "alternative" media?

This instance stands out because Avalon is usually pretty good at being critical with outrageous claims and information. Corey Goode is pretty much written off by everyone here. Flat-earthers are not even allowed to be a member. Anyone who claims to be channeling ETs is approached with extreme skepticism.

Yet when it comes to outlandish claims in regards to this election, whether it's by Q, Lin Wood, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, or whoever else I don't even know by name, the majority of the contributors on the relevant threads are (STILL!) eating it up.

[Gwin Ru]

Nation


U.S. Troops TURNED THEIR BACKS To Biden - No Salutes either! (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/u-s-troops-turned-their-backs-to-biden-no-salutes-either)

Nation (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation) News Desk (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/authors/author/NewsDesk)
20 January 2021

https://halturnerradioshow.com/images/2021/01/20/TurnedTheirBacks_large.jpg
Commander-in-Thief Joseph Biden, who was sworn-in as President of the United States today, got a rude welcome from his own military: THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON HIM. Video below shows it happening!


Not only was his motorcade NOT SALUTED, troops openly turned their backs on him as he passed by.


Video at: https://htrs-special.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/TroopsTurnTheirBacksOnBiden-01-20-2021.mp4


... the difference between the Trump's inauguration and Biden's is that at the Trump one, security are facing the crowd on the lookout for potential nutcase while their officers are saluting...


With Biden's, there is no crowd to face and their officers are not saluting!

[42]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission - Bill Ryan
Aaron McCollum
Bill Ryan interviewed by Freedom Central
Klaus Dona
Dane Tops
Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3
Camelot live in Amsterdam
Camelot Conference in LA - Cynthia Crawford
Camelot Conference in LA - Dr Alfred Webre
Camelot Conference in LA - Marcia Schafer
Camelot Conference in LA - Miriam Delicado
Jordan Maxwell
Dr Paul LaViolette
Patrick Geryl
Camelot Conference in LA - David Wilcock
Camelot Conference in LA - Bob Dean
Camelot Conference in LA - Richard Dolan
Camelot Conference in LA - Duncan O'Finioan
Camelot Conference in LA - Jordan Maxwell
Camelot Conference in LA - Alex Collier
Jane Bürgermeister
Futuretalk 5: Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, Alfred Webre
Dr Pete Peterson Part 1
Dr Pete Peterson Part 2
Dr Pete Peterson Part 3
Miriam Delicado - a Message
Dr Len Horowitz
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Zurich Conference - Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell
Zurich Conference - Brian O'Leary/Henry Deacon
Zurich Conference - Bill Ryan
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 1
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 2
Dr Steven Greer
Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon
Bob Dean at the Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona
Bob Dean at the Press Conference, Barcelona
Erich von Däniken
Henry Deacon at the Zurich Conference
Joseph Farrell
Wade Frazier
Elizabeth Nelson - Flight 93
Jim Marrs
David Icke
Camelot Live at Vilcabamba
Peter Levenda
Brian O'Leary
Ricardo Silva
Jim Humble
Jessica: Crystal Child
Valery Uvarov Part 1
Valery Uvarov Part 2
Marcia Schafer
James of WingMakers
Dr Bill Deagle Part 1
Dr Bill Deagle Part 2
Dr Bill Deagle Part 3
Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Miriam Delicado
Henry Deacon (Futuretalk 3)
Jim Sparks and Bill Holden
John Lear Tells All Part 1
John Lear Tells All Part 2
John Lear Tells All Part 3
John Lear Tells All Part 4
George Green Part 1
George Green Part 2
David Wilcock (Futuretalk 1)
Leo Zagami Part 1
Leo Zagami Part 2
Leo Zagami Part 3
Luca Scantamburlo Part 1
Luca Scantamburlo Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 1
Benjamin Fulford Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 3
Boriska
Richard Hoagland Part 1
Richard Hoagland Part 2
Richard Hoagland Part 3
David Wilcock (Jumproom to Mars)
Dan Sherman
Bob Dean Part 1
Bob Dean Part 2
Bob Dean Part 3 (with Marcia Schafer)
Bill Holden
Jim Sparks
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 1
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 2
David Wilcock Part 1
David Wilcock Part 2
David Wilcock Part 3
David Wilcock Part 4
Duncan O'Finioan and David Corso
Sgt. Clifford Stone
Gordon Novel
Michael St. Clair
Michael St. Clair -- Futuretalk Part 1
Michael St. Clair --Futuretalk Part 2
Duncan O'Finioan
Ralph Ring
Henry Deacon
John Lear
Dan Burisch Part 1
Dan Burisch Part 2
Dan Burisch Part 3
Gary McKinnon
Bill Hamilton
'Mr. X', ET archivist

[Deneon]

Nation


U.S. Troops TURNED THEIR BACKS To Biden - No Salutes either! (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/u-s-troops-turned-their-backs-to-biden-no-salutes-either)

Nation (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation) News Desk (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/authors/author/NewsDesk)
20 January 2021

https://halturnerradioshow.com/images/2021/01/20/TurnedTheirBacks_large.jpg
Commander-in-Thief Joseph Biden, who was sworn-in as President of the United States today, got a rude welcome from his own military: THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON HIM. Video below shows it happening!


Not only was his motorcade NOT SALUTED, troops openly turned their backs on him as he passed by.


Video at: https://htrs-special.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/TroopsTurnTheirBacksOnBiden-01-20-2021.mp4


... the difference between the Trump's inauguration and Biden's is that at the Trump one, security are facing the crowd on the lookout for potential nutcase while their officers are saluting...


With Biden's, there is no crowd to face and their officers are not saluting!

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You are drawing conclusions, based on a 21 second video, we know absolutely nothing about. The posted video is 21 seconds long, and stretches for about 100 yards of road, if that. Also, It is not clear who has taken the video, and from which car it is taken. For all we know, it was taken 2 hours before the actual motorcade, as a test or security run or whatever. We know NOTHING about this video, but for some people it is now undeniable that the military is waiting for Trumps orders to take over.

For argument’s sake, let’s say it was taken in the car right where Biden was during the real inauguration. Your assumption of law enforcement facing the cars always saluting, is not correct, and so, your conclusions are not valid.

I’ve attached 3 screenshots for your viewing pleasure, where I circled the relevant portions. In the 3rd picture, Trump is getting out of the car. You would think that is the perfect time for even the people facing him to salute, but.. they don’t do it. They must have really hated him, right?

Is my analysis proof that the military Is NOT on Trumps side and that a military takeover is impossible? Definitely not.

But I would argue that, based on what what we see in the motorcade 4 years ago, this 21 second video is not indicative of the military still backing Trump and that a military takeover is imminent, or even likely.

[Deneon]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.


Agreed 100%, although I'm not sure how this pertains to the discussion in this thread. But since you brought it up: Bill and Kerry did exactly what I'm suggesting we all should be doing. Investigating, discernment and due diligence. Thats why there have only been relatively few misses on that long list.

I'm suggesting: watch the videos before you post them. Read the articles before posting. If you do post it, tell us what you think about it. Do you agree with what is being said? Do you think the information in it is valid? The more outrageous it seems, the more time one should take investigating it before posting. Too many times articles and videos are posted without any explanation, personal opinion or context.

That is my opinion at least.

[42]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.


Agreed 100%, although I'm not sure how this pertains to the discussion in this thread. But since you brought it up: Bill and Kerry did exactly what I'm suggesting we all should be doing. Investigating, discernment and due diligence. Thats why there have only been relatively few misses on that long list.

I'm suggesting: watch the videos before you post them. Read the articles before posting. If you do post it, tell us what you think about it. Do you agree with what is being said? Do you think the information in it is valid? The more outrageous it seems, the more time one should take investigating it before posting. Too many times articles and videos are posted without any explanation, personal opinion or context.

That is my opinion at least.

In the OP the sentence the word discernment is bold - hopefully that shows the relevance to the discussion in the thread.

[Bill Ryan]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission - Bill Ryan
Aaron McCollum
Bill Ryan interviewed by Freedom Central
Klaus Dona
Dane Tops
Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3
Camelot live in Amsterdam
Camelot Conference in LA - Cynthia Crawford
Camelot Conference in LA - Dr Alfred Webre
Camelot Conference in LA - Marcia Schafer
Camelot Conference in LA - Miriam Delicado
Jordan Maxwell
Dr Paul LaViolette
Patrick Geryl
Camelot Conference in LA - David Wilcock
Camelot Conference in LA - Bob Dean
Camelot Conference in LA - Richard Dolan
Camelot Conference in LA - Duncan O'Finioan
Camelot Conference in LA - Jordan Maxwell
Camelot Conference in LA - Alex Collier
Jane Bürgermeister
Futuretalk 5: Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, Alfred Webre
Dr Pete Peterson Part 1
Dr Pete Peterson Part 2
Dr Pete Peterson Part 3
Miriam Delicado - a Message
Dr Len Horowitz
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Zurich Conference - Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell
Zurich Conference - Brian O'Leary/Henry Deacon
Zurich Conference - Bill Ryan
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 1
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 2
Dr Steven Greer
Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon
Bob Dean at the Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona
Bob Dean at the Press Conference, Barcelona
Erich von Däniken
Henry Deacon at the Zurich Conference
Joseph Farrell
Wade Frazier
Elizabeth Nelson - Flight 93
Jim Marrs
David Icke
Camelot Live at Vilcabamba
Peter Levenda
Brian O'Leary
Ricardo Silva
Jim Humble
Jessica: Crystal Child
Valery Uvarov Part 1
Valery Uvarov Part 2
Marcia Schafer
James of WingMakers
Dr Bill Deagle Part 1
Dr Bill Deagle Part 2
Dr Bill Deagle Part 3
Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Miriam Delicado
Henry Deacon (Futuretalk 3)
Jim Sparks and Bill Holden
John Lear Tells All Part 1
John Lear Tells All Part 2
John Lear Tells All Part 3
John Lear Tells All Part 4
George Green Part 1
George Green Part 2
David Wilcock (Futuretalk 1)
Leo Zagami Part 1
Leo Zagami Part 2
Leo Zagami Part 3
Luca Scantamburlo Part 1
Luca Scantamburlo Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 1
Benjamin Fulford Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 3
Boriska
Richard Hoagland Part 1
Richard Hoagland Part 2
Richard Hoagland Part 3
David Wilcock (Jumproom to Mars)
Dan Sherman
Bob Dean Part 1
Bob Dean Part 2
Bob Dean Part 3 (with Marcia Schafer)
Bill Holden
Jim Sparks
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 1
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 2
David Wilcock Part 1
David Wilcock Part 2
David Wilcock Part 3
David Wilcock Part 4
Duncan O'Finioan and David Corso
Sgt. Clifford Stone
Gordon Novel
Michael St. Clair
Michael St. Clair -- Futuretalk Part 1
Michael St. Clair --Futuretalk Part 2
Duncan O'Finioan
Ralph Ring
Henry Deacon
John Lear
Dan Burisch Part 1
Dan Burisch Part 2
Dan Burisch Part 3
Gary McKinnon
Bill Hamilton
'Mr. X', ET archivist

Marking in red the interviews I personally think can be disregarded. All the others are good, and a few are pretty important. :) (And I'm not really interested in anyone else's opinion! :P I know what I know.)

[Michi]

It basically boils down to what is called "confirmation bias".

So yes - a big part of the guys here say: "Wait a moment, can you give me some references?" and "Let's get to the bottom of this."

[Icare]

I totally get what you mean, Deneon.

I read the threads you mentioned from time to time and in the past few weeks I have felt they just contained a large amount of hopium.

Lin Wood, for example, in one of the latest clips there, sounded absolutely sure things would turn out alright and he kept referring to God who would somehow make it right because he's on the right side, so to spreak.
That got me wondering, do people really believe that? This planet is not god's world in the way it is run, otherwise things would be different. And wasn't it Jesus himself who said so in the bible?

I started wondering what would happen to all those people who were so sure about all the arrests and about the fall of the cabal.

Even though I was initially very interested in the Q phenomenon, that soon changed because to me it felt like a psy op.

Well now it looks like for many people TSHTF. So what now?

Personally I believe all we can do is send positive energy into the world, be good to the people we meet in life, help our families, friends and neighbours whenever we can and also help any stranger in need if it is withing our power.
We may not be able to change the world the way we want it to be but we can strive to be the best we personally can be and bring positivity into this world.

And I agree, we should be nice to each other even though we may disagree.

[DaveToo]

Thanks for your post.
I was thinking somewhat along the same lines a couple of days ago.

What I would like to hear about from others here are Alt-news sites that I could rely on as my #1, #2 go-to sites for
good daily world news coverage?

Obviously the MSM news sites will not give me the information I am seeking.
I visit Avalon often, not just for news, but also discussion.

Do good Alt-news sites exist that give all the important news on a daily basis?
What are your favorites (preferably in English)?

[Kryztian]

https://i.imgur.com/b0Cavwp.jpg

[Sue (Ayt)]

Thanks for your post.
I was thinking somewhat along the same lines a couple of days ago.

What I would like to hear about from others here are Alt-news sites that I could rely on as my #1, #2 go-to sites for
good daily world news coverage?

Obviously the MSM news sites will not give me the information I am seeking.
I visit Avalon often, not just for news, but also discussion.

Do good Alt-news sites exist that give all the important news on a daily basis?
What are your favorites (preferably in English)?

Tintin recently added the "external sites" link at the top menu of the page here, last link on the right.
These are all recommended sources you may want to visit.
:thumbsup:

[sllim11]

i haven't posted much... ever. however, i am starting to feel like so much of this is complete BS.
and i really have no idea what is happening now. i mean were we all wrong about everything? simon parkes sudden in the know in the trenches with trump?!?! lin wood?? who the heck is he? seriously. i think i'm done with all this and am going to focus on going inward and only that. this world is too full of crazy making and mind f**king.

i feel like we have been waiting forever. for something/someone. for what?

it's not coming.
it's not happening.
it's not.

we are super powerful beings and clearly "they" don't want us to know that... so turn turn turn again back inwards.
at least, this it what and where i will be going.

also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

we need to move on from the FEAR. FEAR is the trap.

MIND OVER MATTER. let go and trust life. i feel that is our only way out. to go in.again and again. just drop this sh*t show and live. move on to the most beautiful world we can manifest.

[DaveToo]

i haven't posted much... ever. however, i am starting to feel like so much of this is complete BS.
and i really have no idea what is happening now. i mean were we all wrong about everything? simon parkes sudden in the know in the trenches with trump?!?! lin wood?? who the heck is he? seriously. i think i'm done with all this and am going to focus on going inward and only that. this world is too full of crazy making and mind f**king.

i feel like we have been waiting forever. for something/someone. for what?

it's not coming.
it's not happening.
it's not.

we are super powerful beings and clearly "they" don't want us to know that... so turn turn turn again back inwards.
at least, this it what and where i will be going.

also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

we need to move on from the FEAR. FEAR is the trap.

MIND OVER MATTER. let go and trust life. i feel that is our only way out. to go in.again and again. just drop this sh*t show and live. move on to the most beautiful world we can manifest.

Hi sliim, I agree with parts of what you are saying but not everything.
Look within, for sure!

Don't look/wait for TPTB to deliver solutions to you.

However...


also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

That can be taken two ways:

1. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, so just chin up and take them!

OR

2. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, simply ignore them! Our bodies will do just fine without them.

[sllim11]

i haven't posted much... ever. however, i am starting to feel like so much of this is complete BS.
and i really have no idea what is happening now. i mean were we all wrong about everything? simon parkes sudden in the know in the trenches with trump?!?! lin wood?? who the heck is he? seriously. i think i'm done with all this and am going to focus on going inward and only that. this world is too full of crazy making and mind f**king.

i feel like we have been waiting forever. for something/someone. for what?

it's not coming.
it's not happening.
it's not.

we are super powerful beings and clearly "they" don't want us to know that... so turn turn turn again back inwards.
at least, this it what and where i will be going.

also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

we need to move on from the FEAR. FEAR is the trap.

MIND OVER MATTER. let go and trust life. i feel that is our only way out. to go in.again and again. just drop this sh*t show and live. move on to the most beautiful world we can manifest.

Hi sliim, I agree with parts of what you are saying but not everything.
Look within, for sure!

Don't look/wait for TPTB to deliver solutions to you.

However...


also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

That can be taken two ways:

1. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, so just chin up and take them!

OR

2. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, simply ignore them! Our bodies will do just fine without them.


YES. it's not one or the other. it's both. the paradox of this world. take your pick.

[DaveToo]

i haven't posted much... ever. however, i am starting to feel like so much of this is complete BS.
and i really have no idea what is happening now. i mean were we all wrong about everything? simon parkes sudden in the know in the trenches with trump?!?! lin wood?? who the heck is he? seriously. i think i'm done with all this and am going to focus on going inward and only that. this world is too full of crazy making and mind f**king.

i feel like we have been waiting forever. for something/someone. for what?

it's not coming.
it's not happening.
it's not.

we are super powerful beings and clearly "they" don't want us to know that... so turn turn turn again back inwards.
at least, this it what and where i will be going.

also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

we need to move on from the FEAR. FEAR is the trap.

MIND OVER MATTER. let go and trust life. i feel that is our only way out. to go in.again and again. just drop this sh*t show and live. move on to the most beautiful world we can manifest.

Hi sliim, I agree with parts of what you are saying but not everything.
Look within, for sure!

Don't look/wait for TPTB to deliver solutions to you.

However...


also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

That can be taken two ways:

1. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, so just chin up and take them!

OR

2. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, simply ignore them! Our bodies will do just fine without them.


YES. it's not one or the other. it's both. the paradox of this world. take your pick.

Ah come on. :)

I deliberately chose not to ask you which one you were thinking because I was sure you would
clarify on your own.

Sitting on the fence, hmmmm.....

[sllim11]

i haven't posted much... ever. however, i am starting to feel like so much of this is complete BS.
and i really have no idea what is happening now. i mean were we all wrong about everything? simon parkes sudden in the know in the trenches with trump?!?! lin wood?? who the heck is he? seriously. i think i'm done with all this and am going to focus on going inward and only that. this world is too full of crazy making and mind f**king.

i feel like we have been waiting forever. for something/someone. for what?

it's not coming.
it's not happening.
it's not.

we are super powerful beings and clearly "they" don't want us to know that... so turn turn turn again back inwards.
at least, this it what and where i will be going.

also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

we need to move on from the FEAR. FEAR is the trap.

MIND OVER MATTER. let go and trust life. i feel that is our only way out. to go in.again and again. just drop this sh*t show and live. move on to the most beautiful world we can manifest.

Hi sliim, I agree with parts of what you are saying but not everything.
Look within, for sure!

Don't look/wait for TPTB to deliver solutions to you.

However...


also, regarding the cv19... tests and vaccine. we are so powerful that if we truly believe in ourselves our bodies our higher consciousness as boundless awareness... IF we actually acknowledge and know this beyond anything else we do not need to fear the tests the vaccine...

That can be taken two ways:

1. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, so just chin up and take them!

OR

2. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, simply ignore them! Our bodies will do just fine without them.


YES. it's not one or the other. it's both. the paradox of this world. take your pick.

Ah come on. :)

I deliberately chose not to ask you which one you were thinking because I was sure you would
clarify on your own.

Sitting on the fence, hmmmm.....

firstly, i would say there is no fence. ; )

relatively , i do not want to get vaccine. if i cannot travel without it i would get it. because traveling nurtures me.

absolutely , i am just watching it unfold and will decide when / if that moment comes.

[Agape]

You’re quite correct in your observations there and disregard people who agree to read or watch “whatever” for so called entertainment sake.

Some of us are quite disinclined to give a cent to anyone’s “entertainment channels”.

The rest of people won’t get it right and we can’t hold it against them, actually. It’s their adolescence stage. It’s when every book, movie or a new ideology carries a message of inspiration. So many people are searching for themselves and the bigger message in the sands and rocks and in other curious humans.
It could be there. We don’t know unless we study it for a while.

It’s how new and old, core truth -sometimes so obvious- or straight lies - are sometimes too difficult to discern from a glance.

Now to put the final nail to the coffin of “conspiracy theory”, none of the above material quoted are “pure predictions”. They’re not hitting their respective messengers from “blue sky” and only neophytes and game masters of society claim them to be a byproduct of naivety and human ignorance.

In reality they do “belong” together to ideological trends that one has to encounter - or rather their proponents- to believe they’re “real” in this world otherwise it’s easy to fall under the impression they’re innocent theories spilled out to enlarge human awareness.

These ideologies and their proponents exist in stark antagonism to each other perhaps but blending to colorful mandala of shared opinions at the same time.

There is an Old World ideology that’s paradoxically the New World Order ideology as well with its powerful and amazing Spirits guarding it and there is nowhere we can really progress with it as a global community ,
say further than to being trapped in perfect Cube. There is a horror movie or series of by that name. An allegory on AI.
It’s not completely devoid of life but it’s a slowly aging decaying, stagnating world trying to prolong its life by stabilising its dynamics and resources.

Paradoxically, its fear of losing its-self projects as power grip and strong hold. The strongest force around is still gravity. Therefor the “strong holds” and convictions of the power holders are based in materials and elementary grid of the planet,
unless..it could be ..err..replaced for them by better ones.

The same people look after ideologies the most , maintaining good scaled balance between “divide and conquer” and themselves and the crowd.


They’re quite fearful of the crowd out there including their own children being unruly and progressive and optimistic, losing it for each other instead , losing it for Truth or Love of Life.
The Old Morons “have seen it all” and always tried to “maintain the order”.

Divide and conquer. Your country- my country. Your language - my language. Your territory - my plot. Anybody out there are inferior people to those Morons.

If you’ve ever encountered their core protagonists you may be more surprised, rather shocked or disgusted how much they actually believe in the scenario forecasted by them, the scenario inevitable according their reasoning and order of things.

They won’t care about human activity and climate issues etc. not because it’s unreal or non-existent but because it’s a waste of time and energy to address it , from larger perspective,
weak people dying too is inevitable from nature’s perspective
and prolonging little people lives is waste of resources at the best.

According to them wars especially great wars are still worth the expenditure because they lead to fast results.

The Planet is bound for major cataclysms according to these people, no matter what it takes and if we are on the edge, they will help it :) ( Murphy’s Law ).

Human reproduction may come to be controlled and subjected to rules of “polished eugenics” tied to social demand for specific abilities and economic values.

Theirs is the same old vision of Brave New World,

numbered human society contained in zones.

B&B 2020. Could be 4040. They “can wait”.

They’ll be around for long yet perhaps till the last day ..with those moronic prophecies. There’s no “true prophecy” coming through it , no worries.

It’s all based in hearsay and augmented ideology of old and outgoing Spirits of this Earth.

It’s an empty ideology against the Power of Life and truth of our Origin and every original mind, thought and creature on the earth and beyond who are endowed with Life have right to fight or run from those morons who would -even metaphorically- eat their children to “save them” from the future they’ve “forecasted”, no, the plan they’re creating is a plan they’re loyal to.

It has countless versions but it’s still the same old plot.


So I say, unless you have to, don’t give it a dime


🍵

[DaveToo]

That can be taken two ways:

1. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, so just chin up and take them!

OR

2. We do not need to fear the tests and vaccine, simply ignore them! Our bodies will do just fine without them.


YES. it's not one or the other. it's both. the paradox of this world. take your pick.


Ah come on. :)

I deliberately chose not to ask you which one you were thinking because I was sure you would
clarify on your own.

Sitting on the fence, hmmmm.....


firstly, i would say there is no fence. ; )

relatively , i do not want to get vaccine. if i cannot travel without it i would get it. because traveling nurtures me.

absolutely , i am just watching it unfold and will decide when / if that moment comes.

OK thanks!
This makes more sense now.
Thanks for clarifying. :)

[PurpleLama]

We could easily make the title of the thread say "mainstream" instead of "alternative", and the points made in the OP would still apply.

[TomKat]

i do not want to get vaccine. if i cannot travel without it i would get it. because traveling nurtures me.

Maybe wait for a traditional vaccine to come out, rather than the mRNA ones.
And don't be deterred by the fact that in 50 years there's not been a successful coronavirus vaccine :-)

[Violet3]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission - Bill Ryan
Aaron McCollum
Bill Ryan interviewed by Freedom Central
Klaus Dona
Dane Tops
Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3
Camelot live in Amsterdam
Camelot Conference in LA - Cynthia Crawford
Camelot Conference in LA - Dr Alfred Webre
Camelot Conference in LA - Marcia Schafer
Camelot Conference in LA - Miriam Delicado
Jordan Maxwell
Dr Paul LaViolette
Patrick Geryl
Camelot Conference in LA - David Wilcock
Camelot Conference in LA - Bob Dean
Camelot Conference in LA - Richard Dolan
Camelot Conference in LA - Duncan O'Finioan
Camelot Conference in LA - Jordan Maxwell
Camelot Conference in LA - Alex Collier
Jane Bürgermeister
Futuretalk 5: Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, Alfred Webre
Dr Pete Peterson Part 1
Dr Pete Peterson Part 2
Dr Pete Peterson Part 3
Miriam Delicado - a Message
Dr Len Horowitz
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Zurich Conference - Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell
Zurich Conference - Brian O'Leary/Henry Deacon
Zurich Conference - Bill Ryan
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 1
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 2
Dr Steven Greer
Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon
Bob Dean at the Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona
Bob Dean at the Press Conference, Barcelona
Erich von Däniken
Henry Deacon at the Zurich Conference
Joseph Farrell
Wade Frazier
Elizabeth Nelson - Flight 93
Jim Marrs
David Icke
Camelot Live at Vilcabamba
Peter Levenda
Brian O'Leary
Ricardo Silva
Jim Humble
Jessica: Crystal Child
Valery Uvarov Part 1
Valery Uvarov Part 2
Marcia Schafer
James of WingMakers
Dr Bill Deagle Part 1
Dr Bill Deagle Part 2
Dr Bill Deagle Part 3
Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Miriam Delicado
Henry Deacon (Futuretalk 3)
Jim Sparks and Bill Holden
John Lear Tells All Part 1
John Lear Tells All Part 2
John Lear Tells All Part 3
John Lear Tells All Part 4
George Green Part 1
George Green Part 2
David Wilcock (Futuretalk 1)
Leo Zagami Part 1
Leo Zagami Part 2
Leo Zagami Part 3
Luca Scantamburlo Part 1
Luca Scantamburlo Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 1
Benjamin Fulford Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 3
Boriska
Richard Hoagland Part 1
Richard Hoagland Part 2
Richard Hoagland Part 3
David Wilcock (Jumproom to Mars)
Dan Sherman
Bob Dean Part 1
Bob Dean Part 2
Bob Dean Part 3 (with Marcia Schafer)
Bill Holden
Jim Sparks
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 1
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 2
David Wilcock Part 1
David Wilcock Part 2
David Wilcock Part 3
David Wilcock Part 4
Duncan O'Finioan and David Corso
Sgt. Clifford Stone
Gordon Novel
Michael St. Clair
Michael St. Clair -- Futuretalk Part 1
Michael St. Clair --Futuretalk Part 2
Duncan O'Finioan
Ralph Ring
Henry Deacon
John Lear
Dan Burisch Part 1
Dan Burisch Part 2
Dan Burisch Part 3
Gary McKinnon
Bill Hamilton
'Mr. X', ET archivist

Marking in red the interviews I personally think can be disregarded. All the others are good, and a few are pretty important. :) (And I'm not really interested in anyone else's opinion! :P I know what I know.)

Hi Bill
It's a big list - which ones do you think are "pretty important"?

[CaptnNemo]

Since the inception of Camelot and right up to today, Bill has done more than perhaps anyone on the planet to present alternative content and in-depth interviews that have been paradigm changing to say the least. From day one his (and Kerry's) work has challenged many of us to consider extraordinary information. Much of that work is valid today. Discernment has always been a tricky and personal aspect of what and who to believe. Here's a list of Camelot interviews. I've watched them all and considered the content through my own personal BS filter. On reflection a "where are they now?" thread would obviously expose a significant number of the interviewees as snake oil merchants. Some of the names are still in good standing, many of them have been thoroughly discredited by time and exposure.

But at least it gave us all food for thought. Thanks Bill.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission - Bill Ryan
Aaron McCollum
Bill Ryan interviewed by Freedom Central
Klaus Dona
Dane Tops
Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3
Camelot live in Amsterdam
Camelot Conference in LA - Cynthia Crawford
Camelot Conference in LA - Dr Alfred Webre
Camelot Conference in LA - Marcia Schafer
Camelot Conference in LA - Miriam Delicado
Jordan Maxwell
Dr Paul LaViolette
Patrick Geryl
Camelot Conference in LA - David Wilcock
Camelot Conference in LA - Bob Dean
Camelot Conference in LA - Richard Dolan
Camelot Conference in LA - Duncan O'Finioan
Camelot Conference in LA - Jordan Maxwell
Camelot Conference in LA - Alex Collier
Jane Bürgermeister
Futuretalk 5: Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, Alfred Webre
Dr Pete Peterson Part 1
Dr Pete Peterson Part 2
Dr Pete Peterson Part 3
Miriam Delicado - a Message
Dr Len Horowitz
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Zurich Conference - Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell
Zurich Conference - Brian O'Leary/Henry Deacon
Zurich Conference - Bill Ryan
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 1
Barcelona Conference Panel Discussion Part 2
Dr Steven Greer
Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon
Bob Dean at the Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona
Bob Dean at the Press Conference, Barcelona
Erich von Däniken
Henry Deacon at the Zurich Conference
Joseph Farrell
Wade Frazier
Elizabeth Nelson - Flight 93
Jim Marrs
David Icke
Camelot Live at Vilcabamba
Peter Levenda
Brian O'Leary
Ricardo Silva
Jim Humble
Jessica: Crystal Child
Valery Uvarov Part 1
Valery Uvarov Part 2
Marcia Schafer
James of WingMakers
Dr Bill Deagle Part 1
Dr Bill Deagle Part 2
Dr Bill Deagle Part 3
Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Miriam Delicado
Henry Deacon (Futuretalk 3)
Jim Sparks and Bill Holden
John Lear Tells All Part 1
John Lear Tells All Part 2
John Lear Tells All Part 3
John Lear Tells All Part 4
George Green Part 1
George Green Part 2
David Wilcock (Futuretalk 1)
Leo Zagami Part 1
Leo Zagami Part 2
Leo Zagami Part 3
Luca Scantamburlo Part 1
Luca Scantamburlo Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 1
Benjamin Fulford Part 2
Benjamin Fulford Part 3
Boriska
Richard Hoagland Part 1
Richard Hoagland Part 2
Richard Hoagland Part 3
David Wilcock (Jumproom to Mars)
Dan Sherman
Bob Dean Part 1
Bob Dean Part 2
Bob Dean Part 3 (with Marcia Schafer)
Bill Holden
Jim Sparks
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 1
Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets) Part 2
David Wilcock Part 1
David Wilcock Part 2
David Wilcock Part 3
David Wilcock Part 4
Duncan O'Finioan and David Corso
Sgt. Clifford Stone
Gordon Novel
Michael St. Clair
Michael St. Clair -- Futuretalk Part 1
Michael St. Clair --Futuretalk Part 2
Duncan O'Finioan
Ralph Ring
Henry Deacon
John Lear
Dan Burisch Part 1
Dan Burisch Part 2
Dan Burisch Part 3
Gary McKinnon
Bill Hamilton
'Mr. X', ET archivist

Marking in red the interviews I personally think can be disregarded. All the others are good, and a few are pretty important. :) (And I'm not really interested in anyone else's opinion! :P I know what I know.)

Hi Bill
It's a big list - which ones do you think are "pretty important"?

I'm pretty sure most of them are to a certain extent besides the ones in red obviously.

[Deneon]

We could easily make the title of the thread say "mainstream" instead of "alternative", and the points made in the OP would still apply.

Very true! And again, Avalon has no problem calling out bull**** on the mainstream media. Why is calling out bull**** in the alternatie media met with so much resistance?

[BoR]

We are living in a war of information. With the Intel that comes from various sources, there will often be disinfo embedded. Sometimes as a means to deliberately derail people from the truth, sometimes as a strategy for a plan to be successful, and sometimes as a way to have plausible deniability for the safety of the whistleblower (or the people who get the info).

It is impossible in this war to know the whole truth, or to be objective. And then there is the question, does objective reality really exist? In order for us to function, we need to make decisions for what we choose is our explanation for things. And these decisions are never perfect.

You can state as a fact that 1 + 1 = 2, you might think right?

So you get a male and a female together, and 9 months later you have 3. So 1 + 1 = 3.

Or you have 2 drops of water and you put them together, and you end up with 1. So 1 + 1 = 1

There goes objectivity.

Most of the time we decide that 1 + 1 = 2, because that works in most situations.

So you get Intel, in code, then some people interpret it and make predictions. Some, or sometimes most predictions turn out not to come true. Was the Intel wrong? Was the interpreter wrong? Or did things change in the mean time? Who can say for sure?

It is easy to start a topic like this after the fact, it is not so easy to stick your nose out there and make some seemingly outrageous predictions with the risk of being wrong.

Mike Adams is mentioned as an example. Mike Adams continuously assesses the situation based on the current info and situation. If you listen to his podcast his assessment changes by the day, because he is also in the dark, trying to find the truth in a sea of info and disinfo. To label him as unreliable because he was wrong with certain assessments is not a sign of true discernment. It is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Deneon]

We are living in a war of information. With the Intel that comes from various sources, there will often be disinfo embedded. Sometimes as a means to deliberately derail people from the truth, sometimes as a strategy for a plan to be successful, and sometimes as a way to have plausible deniability for the safety of the whistleblower (or the people who get the info).

It is impossible in this war to know the whole truth, or to be objective. And then there is the question, does objective reality really exist? In order for us to function, we need to make decisions for what we choose is our explanation for things. And these decisions are never perfect.

You can state as a fact that 1 + 1 = 2, you might think right?

So you get a male and a female together, and 9 months later you have 3. So 1 + 1 = 3.

Or you have 2 drops of water and you put them together, and you end up with 1. So 1 + 1 = 1

There goes objectivity.

Most of the time we decide that 1 + 1 = 2, because that works in most situations.

I agree with the sentiment of there not being an objective truth, even if, as a math enthusiast, I have some problems with the examples given :)

But the absence of an objective truth is no excuse for throwing all discernment out of the window. If I tell you, tomorrow a nuclear bomb will detonate in Paris, and it doesn't happen, there is no way I can say "you interprreted what I said wrong". There's a reason fake psychics always make very general predictions that can be interpreted many ways (example: "something good will happen in March"). Yet, many of the predictions that have been made on my list in the original post, are very specific and not up for any other interpretation. When the article youtube video says "we will have martial law tomorrow, the president will use the emergency broadcast system and communications will be down for 10 days", and here we are talking on this forum the next day, I'd say the prediction was wrong. I don't think you would disagree.


So you get Intel, in code, then some people interpret it and make predictions. Some, or sometimes most predictions turn out not to come true. Was the Intel wrong? Was the interpreter wrong? Or did things change in the mean time? Who can say for sure?

My point is it doesn't matter which it is. We should stop listening to people who are wrong almost every time. Whether or not they 'mean well' is irrelevant.

I'm not talking about cancelling these people. I'm not saying they should be hung. They can do whatever they want, but it's up to us to say "Your info has proven to be not credible, so I will not listen to you anymore".


It is easy to start a topic like this after the fact, it is not so easy to stick your nose out there and make some seemingly outrageous predictions with the risk of being wrong.

You would think... As far as I can tell, it's actually quite easy to make predictions, be wrong every time, and still keep those 200.000 followers on Youtube. Apparently it doesn't matter if the info you give never comes true. And that is what surprises me.


Mike Adams is mentioned as an example. Mike Adams continuously assesses the situation based on the current info and situation. If you listen to his podcast his assessment changes by the day, because he is also in the dark, trying to find the truth in a sea of info and disinfo. To label him as unreliable because he was wrong with certain assessments is not a sign of true discernment. It is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I agree that Mike Adams is probably the best one out of the bunch I mentioned. And maybe I should not have thrown him in with the likes of Simon Parkes. My point still stands for many other sources out there. Simon Parkes' videos are still being shared on all of the threads. Whenever someone points out that the info he gave yesterday did not come true, they are either ignored, or accused for derailing the thread for pointing that out.

[Deneon]

I want to thank everyone for the contributions so far.

Many of the posts that argue my point in the opening post are going in either two ways
- But the mainstream media is unreliable too!
- It's only normal with the abundance of information out there, that there is bad info as well

Both points I agree with completely. These are not things I am disputing.

What I'm asking is this: Why don't we hold the alternative media sources to the same standard as the mainstream media? Why don't we approach the stories in the alternative media with the same skepticism, ESPECIALLY after they have proven to be wrong on so many occasions? And why is anyone who DOES question stories the alternative media being accused of being negative, or derailing threads, or worse?

You don't HAVE to believe either everything or nothing in either of those communities. Both can be right sometimes, and both can be wrong. And I'm saying is that we should not default to "MSM bad, alternative media good".

[BoR]

I want to thank everyone for the contributions so far.

Many of the posts that argue my point in the opening post are going in either two ways
- But the mainstream media is unreliable too!
- It's only normal with the abundance of information out there, that there is bad info as well

Both points I agree with completely. These are not things I am disputing.

What I'm asking is this: Why don't we hold the alternative media sources to the same standard as the mainstream media? Why don't we approach the stories in the alternative media with the same skepticism, ESPECIALLY after they have proven to be wrong on so many occasions? And why is anyone who DOES question stories the alternative media being accused of being negative, or derailing threads, or worse?

You don't HAVE to believe either everything or nothing in either of those communities. Both can be right sometimes, and both can be wrong. And I'm saying is that we should not default to "MSM bad, alternative media good".

Hi Deneon,

To your first response to me I can make counterarguments to some of your sentences, but I choose to leave that up to others, if they feel the need. But maybe I will later when I have more time.

To this response I say that I don't believe there are people here that think MSM bad, alternative media good. That is a simplification. But I do agree with you that you don't have to believe either everything or nothing.

However, MSM is talking in much more unity about their approach to reality, because they are owned by the same families/corporations/power structure. There is such a thing as THE MSM. But there is no such thing as THE alternative media. They consist mostly of private individuals with a mission, where only some of them have made a living out of it. So you can not compare the two as being the same. When you approach an alternative source you must keep in mind that a lot of the info might be flawed, but most of the time (But not always), especially with people who do it from their basement, there is no intent to deliberately fool people. Whereas for MSM that is, in my estimation, too many times the case.

However, I totally agree that people should question everything. This is what I do: if something makes sense to me, I can choose to accept the hypothesis. But at the same time I hold in my mind that it can easily be untrue or partially true as well. If in the end my choice to accept it turns out to be wrong, instead of feeling disappointed or feeling bad about my 'mistake' I have the feeling I know more now than yesterday and therefore today my assessment of the situation has become more clear.. I can do that because all the time I was holding two or three opposite thoughts in my mind, while choosing 1 outcome as the most likely. By doing this you will always be aware of signs of misinformation, and never get the feeling you invested time in something that wasn't worth it.

For example, I was always very skeptical about mass arrests. I never said to myself that it was out of the question, I just didn't choose to see it as a likely outcome. But over time I saw more info that was pointing towards that direction, until I decided that it might very well happen. Might still, but not unlikely anymore. It didn't, at least not now, and I do not feel the need to call all these people who said it would happen untrustworthy. Because I knew they could not know for sure either. I was really enjoying the exitement and the feeling that Magic could happen and that was worth my focus and time. And no disappointment in the end, because I have seen things change in my lifetime, for the better, that I never thought possible or likely.

But I agree if you go along with alternative viewpoints all the way, then you have a high chance of feeling screwed in the end. 🙂

[BoR]

By the way, 1 + 1 = 2 indeed always works in the field of mathematics 😄, if this rule had exceptions in pure mathematics. you as a mathematician would have an enormous problem on your hands..😁

[Merkaba360]

Let's take Alex Jones for example. He has been quite spot on many times. He also is a sensationalist and talks constantly. lol Anyone who talks that much is bound to be wrong a fair amount.

What do we do about this guy? My friend says that he is a shill. I don't know, I tend to think he just has many people feeding him info and hard to sort out the truth of the rumors.

If he is "on the payroll", Alex is like the greatest actor of ALL time. lol Seriously, who the hell can spaz out for 27 years as an act. Who has that kind of acting stamina. I guess its possible, but Jesus that would blow my mind. IT would mean he is an actor that hardly ever even takes a week off for vacation and his health looks to be suffering from it as well.

We are often throwing out ALL possibilities and might seem to be taking a side because we lean toward that view. But many of us are not dumb enough to get sucked in fully. I agree that anyone who is really hard nosed about their speculative belief needs to check themself :)

[PurpleLama]

We could easily make the title of the thread say "mainstream" instead of "alternative", and the points made in the OP would still apply.

Very true! And again, Avalon has no problem calling out bull**** on the mainstream media. Why is calling out bull**** in the alternatie media met with so much resistance?

Re: the bolded portion. I recommend doing a lot more reading on the forum. In my recollection, there has been about as much criticism of alt. media information as there has been wholesale acceptance or advertisement of it, with a huge gray area of research and speculation in between. Of course, there are members who will post about every crazy thing that will come across the 'net, and just as many members who are entirely skeptical of such.

The majority of the board is in between, and will present themselves as open minded and willing to investigate a matter wherever such will lead, whether the end indicates the idea was true or false.

Using the recent election as an example, as your sudden involvement in that discussion preceded this thread, there are so many people online who have presented evidence of fraud, and while the powers that be have had their desired outcome, it happened in spite of what people saw, often with their own eyes, of fraud and other questionable activities.

You were quick to call BS on the examination of these details, but how many hearings did you watch or listen to, how many testimonies did you read? While the MSM derided the whole thing with claims of "no evidence" the truth was much closer to "evidence abounds". Don't fall into the temptation of labeling me a Trump loving Qanon, because honestly I am just willing to look, and the claim of "no evidence" is the one that falls flat.

I gave the topic due diligence, did you?

Are you just going along with popular opinion? Are you using the actions of Lin Wood, who was pushed to the forefront of the public face of Trumps legal team only to start taking his public stance into unbelievable territory (as for mainstream consumption) which nonetheless may very well be true?

I believe that if you took a few steps back, and the whole election topic aside, if you tried to go back through the board (11 years worth is a lot, I don't mean all of it!) with a fresh and honest look, you might find that your treatment of PA in your OP may be a little unfair.

We are a pretty diverse group. While some members may fit your description, others are the opposite, and most would defy either categorization.

[Bill Ryan]

Avalon has no problem calling out bull**** on the mainstream media. Why is calling out bull**** in the alternatie media met with so much resistance?Actually, I think Avalon does pretty well at calling out or questioning alt media BS, or its possibility.

We have a whole Known Hoaxes and Other Bad Information (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?160-Known-Hoaxes-and-Other-Bad-Information) section, where posts and threads are retained (not censored), but tagged with a caveat.

On quite a large number of other threads and posts, fairly prominent alt media figures or influencers such as Robert David Steele, David Wilcock, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, Pete Peterson, Gorey Goode, Emery Smith, Michael Salla, Laura Eisenhower, Sorcha Faal, Gosia Duszak, Jordan Sather, Steven Greer, Sean David Morton, Jordan Maxwell, Alfred Webre, Kim Goguen, Kerry Cassidy, Mark Richards, Kevin Moore, Jim Fetzer, Gordon Duff, all of TTSA and even Alex Jones and Steve Pieczenik (plus many others!) have been called out and/or criticized, as has Qanon as well.

That kind of discussion really is alive and healthy here — as it should be. But often it's not all in one easy-to-find place, of course.

On post #12 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113738-Discussion-on-the-reliability-of-alternative-media-sources-and-personas&p=1405597&viewfull=1#post1405597) on this thread), I flagged the Project Camelot interviews which I feel should be disregarded. Not many, but definitely some. That counts, as well. I don't think there's any kind of critiquing problem here.

[Journeyman]

That being said. at what point can we safely conclude that the likes of Qanons, Lin Wood, Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward, Mike Adams, 100s of twitter users, and websites like beforeitsnews.com and countless others spreading similar stories are not, or at the very least, no longer trustworthy?

And at what point is anyone still trusting these sources and sharing their fantasies any better than someone trusting and sharing stuff from CNN?

At what point does someone blindly sharing these stories become part of the problem, instead of part of the solution?

And most importantly: When can we have this discussion on this forum, without being personally attacked and be called a shill, a low information citizen, an antifa agent, a sleeper account or worse?


Lot's of good questions. I don't hold alternative media to quite the same standard as MSM, because I know they won't have the same resources or access to information. I do expect them to try and make the most of what they should have though, their independence.

For myself I distinguish somewhat between participating in a thread and starting one. If I see something relevant to an ongoing discussion I may post with a small amount of context, but if I'm asking for attention for something new, its incumbent on me to start things off in the right way.

I also share stuff which I think is of interest, not that I necessarily believe it to be true. I've seen people say 'this resonated' and I think that's a good way of indicating that whilst one cannot fully endorse it, it feels like there's some value to be had there.

So to take the current, frenzied situation as an example. I treat the ongoing threads about the election or the Q posts as places where I can post something without fully endorsing it or knowing it's completely legit. How could I?



One of the moderators mentioned in another thread that she feared for the forum for the reasons I describe above (which again, was met by ridicule). I want to say: there have been many times where I decided not to post something because I was basically told to f off in the past. I'm sure others that are critical of the behaviour I outlined above see these attacks and decide against posting. It's either that or this part of the forum has really become an echo chamber.

One example of this is the meme at the bottom of this post. I saw the meme posted on Reddit a couple days ago and thought it was funny. I contemplated posting it in the Memes thread, but ultimately I decided against it (untill now I guess). Now this is obviously just for fun, but the same thing happened with 'serious' posts.

I would expect Avalon to be a place where we can have a discussion about all this, without any personal attacks. I guess we'll find out.

People have become very invested over time and with that comes emotional involvement and a drawing up of the wagons. I think online communities have a shared responsibility to protect civil discourse and that involves a certain amount of looking at oneself, recognising when one is allowing emotion to get the better of them and pulling back. Not always easy, especially when the stakes seem to be so high. We are all victims of a year of unique stresses, from the impacts of lockdowns to the machinations of the people who are pulling the strings. Sometimes I think those are the forces which are really driving some of the disputes I see here and elsewhere...

[onawah]

Developing intuition and what happens when we don't
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113646-Gigi-Young-Talks&p=1406065&viewfull=1#post1406065
and
Facing Shadow in Society & Disclosure https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113646-Gigi-Young-Talks&p=1406073&viewfull=1#post1406073

[Chris Gilbert]

As I see it, alternative media is best when it critiques MSM narratives, along with the MSM's slimy arrogance of pretending to be non-biased when it clearly isn't. However, when alternative outlets try to construct a wholly new explanation of events and reality, they tend to fail..epically. Much of that is due to the aforementioned lack of resources and funding compared to the MSM leading to wild speculation in order to fill in the gaps.

[Tintin]

Not only was his motorcade NOT SALUTED, troops openly turned their backs on him as he passed by.


Video at: https://htrs-special.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/TroopsTurnTheirBacksOnBiden-01-20-2021.mp4


... the difference between the Trump's inauguration and Biden's is that at the Trump one, security are facing the crowd on the lookout for potential nutcase while their officers are saluting...


With Biden's, there is no crowd to face and their officers are not saluting!

Yes, I've watched both and this is very clear :thumbsup:

[greybeard]

I see it very simple
Beyond the noise a good alternative media.
So either there was voter fraud --enough to take a win from Trump or there was not.
Either Biden is an illegal president or he is not and seems untouchable regardless
Either there was criminal activity by Hunter Biden or there was not..
Either the troops are there to protect the constitution or they will just go home soon, job done
Is Lin Wood to be trusted? --I would say yes but that does not guarantee that what he said will happen.
That is that the military is in control -- dont get in their way.

We are in a hypothetical situation-- in that the future is not fully clear -- the alternative media may have got most of it right but what they point to may not happen. Mass arrests etc.
Chris

[Deneon]

Using the recent election as an example, as your sudden involvement in that discussion preceded this thread, there are so many people online who have presented evidence of fraud, and while the powers that be have had their desired outcome, it happened in spite of what people saw, often with their own eyes, of fraud and other questionable activities.

You were quick to call BS on the examination of these details, but how many hearings did you watch or listen to, how many testimonies did you read? While the MSM derided the whole thing with claims of "no evidence" the truth was much closer to "evidence abounds". Don't fall into the temptation of labeling me a Trump loving Qanon, because honestly I am just willing to look, and the claim of "no evidence" is the one that falls flat.

I gave the topic due diligence, did you?

You are incorrectly assuming I don’t believe voter fraud has taken place. I did not call BS on ALL the information that the alt media says. There are not two boxes “everything alt media says is true” and “everything alt media says is not true”. I listed a whole list of examples above. You will notice voter fraud is not one of them. Who’s doing the labelling here?

I have not labelled you as anything. In fact, this post is not directed at you at all. But it seems you have decidedly put me in the “MSM loving nut who does not believe there is any voter fraud” camp. Based on the fact I’m sometimes critical of the alt media I assume? Just because I’m critical of some of the alternative media, does not mean I think EVERYTHING they say is wrong.

Do I think voter fraud has taken place? YES
Do I think Donald Trump is an asshole? YES
Do I think he did good things? YES
Do I think he did bad things? YES
Do I think he is a saviour? NO
Do I think the MSM is manipulating everyone? YES
Do I think the alt media is doing that too? YES
Do I think we should judge every story based on merit, and not based on source or what narrative it follows? A 1000 TIMES YES

These are not mutually exclusive.

[Deneon]

Very true! And again, Avalon has no problem calling out bull**** on the mainstream media. Why is calling out bull**** in the alternatie media met with so much resistance?

I believe that if you took a few steps back, and the whole election topic aside, if you tried to go back through the board (11 years worth is a lot, I don't mean all of it!) with a fresh and honest look, you might find that your treatment of PA in your OP may be a little unfair.

We are a pretty diverse group. While some members may fit your description, others are the opposite, and most would defy either categorization.



Avalon has no problem calling out bull**** on the mainstream media. Why is calling out bull**** in the alternatie media met with so much resistance?Actually, I think Avalon does pretty well at calling out or questioning alt media BS, or its possibility.

We have a whole Known Hoaxes and Other Bad Information (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?160-Known-Hoaxes-and-Other-Bad-Information) section, where posts and threads are retained (not censored), but tagged with a caveat.

I should have been more precise in that specific post. There's a reason I posted this thread specifically in the 2020 Election section of the forum.

The whole point I’m trying to make is that the usual standard of discernment, healthy skepticism and critical look at unproven information that is very apparent on the entirety of this forum, is not always applied to information about the 2020 election, as I’ve mentioned at the bottom of my post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113738-Discussion-on-the-reliability-of-alternative-media-sources-and-personas&p=1405575&viewfull=1#post1405575).

Too often, information coming through these alternative channels, no matter how outrageous, seem to be taken at face value. I wanna stress again I’m not talking about whether or not there has been any election fraud. Of course there’s a lot in the alternative media that’s unfortunately true. I’m talking about mass arrests, insurrection acts being signed, blackouts occurring, emergency broadcast systems being used, Donald Trump being a double now. Another recent example is multiple users posting about the wallpaper in the Oval Office, when a simple internet search will explain it.

So, once again, I agree completely that the Avalon community is USUALLY very good at discerning fake stories from real ones. Most users apply a healthy dose of skepticism to stories that have no proof or evidence. And especially when someone’s track record has been proven to be less than reliable, they usually end up in the ‘Known hoaxes and other bad information’ thread.

Not so much with information coming from some of the aforementioned alternative sources. Oh this guy just made 100 statements, of which 90 turned out to be bull**** and did not come true? No matter, here’s his next video and he says tomorrow everything will be fine!

And obviously, this doesn’t apply to everyone so I probably shouldn’t generalise and say “Avalon”. It’s just a trend I notice on the many 2020 Election threads.

I have to say though, I have definitely noticed a bit more discernment lately. And other members posting out wrong information. So it seems there is a bit more balance now :)

[greybeard]

Yes a lot of the BS is hopium -- as to an end result it is early days yet.
Some BS has a habit of coming true.
Some of the conspiracy theories I laughed at or disbelieved have come true..
Like most here I want the truth.
Sometimes it comes -- in places where you have to separate the wheat from the chaff -- seems often you cant have one without the other.
Im not pro Trump though my opinion of him has gone up a notch.
Im for what he said in his fair well speech.
May freedom of the individual remain.
Chris