Kazakhstan Anomaly - flash freezing animals

[Matthew]

I can't get over how weird this is.

I left this in a What does it mean? thread (here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111230-What-is-this&p=1405820&viewfull=1#post1405820)) while it sunk in, so apologies for the duplicate post. But if it's legit it belongs here*1. If it's not legit it's an exceptional fraud

Flash frozen, one creature frozen mid-step.

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1352387579149250561

A little more detail here (https://strangesounds.org/2021/01/animals-freeze-to-death-kazakhstan-pictures-videos.html)


*1 moved from the Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1406119#post1406119) thread

[Sue (Ayt)]

I can't get over how weird this is.

I left this in a What does it mean? thread (here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111230-What-is-this&p=1405820&viewfull=1#post1405820)) while it sunk in, so apologies for the duplicate post. But if it's legit it belongs here. If it's not legit it's an exceptional fraud

Flash frozen, one creature frozen mid-step.

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1352387579149250561

A little more detail here (https://strangesounds.org/2021/01/animals-freeze-to-death-kazakhstan-pictures-videos.html)

I did a news search on Kazakhstan and found this link, Matthew:
Animals Frozen in Kazakhstan in -51 Degrees Temperature is Fake? Viral Video Doing The Rounds Online Raises Doubts Whether it is Staged (https://www.latestly.com/social-viral/animals-frozen-in-kazakhstan-in-51-degrees-temperature-is-fake-viral-video-doing-the-rounds-online-raises-doubts-whether-it-is-staged-2280341.html)
I also found this news item:
Kazakh Police 'Kettle' Freezing Protesters For Nine Hours, Blasting 'Blizzard' Song (https://www.rferl.org/a/kazakh-police-kettle-freezing-protesters-for-nine-hours-blasting-blizzard-song/31062068.html)

I know little about what is going on in Kazakhstan, but it appears there is quite a bit of conflict, and the 2nd link posted above is revealing.

The climate change, NWO agenda may be involved, with a theme of "freezing", somewhat like the theme of "I can't breathe" in the US. (total speculation)

Also - it would be quite easy to stage a video of stuffed animals from a taxidermist.

A thread on Kazakhstan might be interesting.

[Matthew]

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Also - it would be quite easy to stage a video of stuffed animals from a taxidermist.

A thread on Kazakhstan might be interesting.

As I said in the What does it mean? thread, I find it hard to believe my lying eyes. Jury's out for me, but I love Fortean mysteries. Really really wasn't sure if it belongs here, in this thread (EDIT This was from when I posted it in the weird weather thread), but definitely deserves scrutiny and opinion. Sincere thanks for yours :heart:

[DeDukshyn]

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Also - it would be quite easy to stage a video of stuffed animals from a taxidermist.

A thread on Kazakhstan might be interesting.

As I said in the What does it mean? thread, I find it hard to believe my lying eyes. Jury's out for me, but I love Fortean mysteries. Really really wasn't sure if it belongs here, in this thread, but definitely deserves scrutiny and opinion. Sincere thanks for yours :heart:


So ... as a Canadian, I have personally endured some -40+C. Not for long periods of time mind you (to bring in wood, or whatever) and it is tolerable if you are dressed well and don't have to stay out long. But I can say that animals wouldn't freeze like that at -51C.

It would never happen that way. As the body starts to get cold, (for mammals), huddling itself into a small ball and pulling the limbs in to try to save them would happen long before freezing to death. As a body's temperature drops severely, all blood is pulled from the limbs into the central core - running wouldn't even be an option after this begins to occur to the point where the body determines that the limbs can be sacrificed to maintain basic functions.

They wouldn't be frozen in a "running" position like that ... It would never happen. And why is there a rat riding on the one dog?

[Ernie Nemeth]

There was a movie about that effect a while back. About how, was it The Perfect Storm?, a combination of weather patterns could bring super cold air down from the heights and flash freeze everything. But the temperatures in the movie was space cold - 100 degrees below zero. Was it Denis Quaid? can't remember...

[Bill Ryan]

There was a movie about that effect a while back. About how, was it The Perfect Storm?, a combination of weather patterns could bring super cold air down from the heights and flash freeze everything. But the temperatures in the movie was space cold - 100 degrees below zero. Was it Denis Quaid? can't remember...The Day after Tomorrow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow). :thumbsup:

[Matthew]

It wasn't attracting enough attention in the first thread, which is why I promoted it. Now it has some, wonder if it belongs in its own thread, or the conversation all moved to the first thread? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111230-What-is-this&p=1405820&viewfull=1#post1405820) In the article I posted (this one (https://strangesounds.org/2021/01/animals-freeze-to-death-kazakhstan-pictures-videos.html)) talks about a single isolated incident in 2018, and in my opinion, a good showman would make the sequel more dramatic like we're seeing

[Sue (Ayt)]

It wasn't attracting enough attention in the first thread, which is why I promoted it. Now it has some, wonder if it belongs in its own thread, or the conversation all moved to the first thread? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111230-What-is-this&p=1405820&viewfull=1#post1405820) In the article I posted (this one (https://strangesounds.org/2021/01/animals-freeze-to-death-kazakhstan-pictures-videos.html)) talks about a single isolated incident in 2018, and in my opinion, a good showman would make the sequel more dramatic like we're seeing

Hi Matthew - We've moved this discussion to its own thread, as it has become interesting in itself. If you would like a title change, feel free to suggest one.
Thanks
:thumbsup:

[Matthew]

It wasn't attracting enough attention in the first thread, which is why I promoted it. Now it has some, wonder if it belongs in its own thread, or the conversation all moved to the first thread? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111230-What-is-this&p=1405820&viewfull=1#post1405820) In the article I posted (this one (https://strangesounds.org/2021/01/animals-freeze-to-death-kazakhstan-pictures-videos.html)) talks about a single isolated incident in 2018, and in my opinion, a good showman would make the sequel more dramatic like we're seeing

Hi Matthew - We've moved this discussion to its own thread, as it has become interesting in itself. If you would like a title change, feel free to suggest one.
Thanks
:thumbsup:

What comes to mind is:
"The Day after Tomorrow film is real OR Brilliant taxidermist showman"
"I can't believe my lying eyes"
"Flash frozen OR flash taxidermist - you decide" <---- gotta be this one
I'm easy on the title if someone thinks of something better, thank you for the chance to have fun with it!!!

[Sue (Ayt)]

Actually Matthew, it has piqued my curiosity as to what exactly is going on in Kazakhstan.
When I did a news search, it appeared that there is quite a lot going on, and that possibly the whole twitter promotion of the animal video was intentionally spread for some purpose. (?)
I am hoping someone more familiar with the situation there might supply some input!

[Matthew]

I'm thinking a flash taxidermist showman makes sense, but not saying there isn't a bigger mystery... if there is, all the better for my obsession with the Fortean. Looking forward to any further thoughts/findings!

[DeDukshyn]

 
I noticed the article doesn't seem to indicate if the -51 is F or C. If that is in F, that is -46C. Every year there is some town in Canada that will get about this cold. The northern settlement Eureka, in 1979, the month of February had an average temperature of -48C (-54.4F). Snag Yukon has reported an official temp of -62.8C (-81F)on February 3rd 1947.

No reports of animals frozen in their tracks. :)

Kazakhstan has very harsh cold winters. -51, especially if that is in F (-46C), isn't out of the ordinary at all.

It was a cold day, in Kazakhstan, as their winters very often are (-45C / -50C is not uncommon), someone was having a little fun ... that's all. :)

Sources for the stats:
https://www.advantour.com/kazakhstan/weather.htm
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/cold-places-in-canada

[Gwin Ru]

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Three years ago: Animals are frozen solid as temperatures drop to -56 Celsius in Kazakhstan (https://www.sott.net/article/375234-Animals-are-frozen-solid-as-temperatures-drop-to-56-Celsius-in-Kazakhstan)

[Matthew]

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Three years ago: Animals are frozen solid as temperatures drop to -56 Celsius in Kazakhstan (https://www.sott.net/article/375234-Animals-are-frozen-solid-as-temperatures-drop-to-56-Celsius-in-Kazakhstan)

Love it Gwin Ru (thank you) - got me being uncertain again. I'll be going back and forth like this for ages

[Sue (Ayt)]

Here is what the WHO has to say:

Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan, a major global wheat producer, suffered reduced crop yields from drought and fires. Flooding related to climate changes already hit the country with significant impacts. Climate change is projected to increase temperatures, extreme precipitation events and frequency and intensity of droughts, with consequences for agriculture and water management.

Changing climate is likely to alter the transmission of infectious diseases, increase mortality and morbidity from extreme weather events and reduced availability of clean water. Water scarcity also adversely affects food security and nutrition, particularly for subsistence farmers. The size of this impact is being assessed by the project.

Project country-specific activities to protect health from climate change

Assess health impact, vulnerability and health system adaptation
Develop a national health adaptation strategy
Build capacity in early identification and reporting of potential infectious disease risks and outbreaks to improve disease surveillance systems, especially on diseases sensitive to changes in climate, e.g. Crimean Congo fever
Improvement of emergency preparedness, with special regard to extreme weather events.

https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/environment-and-health/Climate-change/country-work/protecting-health-from-climate-change-a-seven-country-initiative-in-the-eastern-part-of-the-who-european-region/the-project-in-each-of-the-seven-countries/kazakhstan

[DeDukshyn]

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Three years ago: Animals are frozen solid as temperatures drop to -56 Celsius in Kazakhstan (https://www.sott.net/article/375234-Animals-are-frozen-solid-as-temperatures-drop-to-56-Celsius-in-Kazakhstan)

Love it Gwin Ru (thank you) - got me being uncertain again. I'll be going back and forth like this for ages

Well, animals can of course freeze to death. Obviously that is not an impossibility. But as they are walking in their tracks upright, keeping their balance, with rats riding on their back ... that's the part I'm having issues with. :) -- that and that a premise that these temperatures represent an "unusual" event. It gets cold there in the winters.

EDIT: as the article Gwin posted noted, the dog became stuck in a snow field, and the rabbit looked to be stuck in a fence (quite some difficulty in removing it)

EDIT2: The animals in the OP video may well have been found frozen to death, but then obviously staged into specific positions for the video (hence the rat riding the dog), and not "flash frozen in their tracks" - as it appears. I wish I could understand the guy in the video - he probably is explaining the whole thing.

[Matthew]

Here is what the WHO has to say:

Kazakhstan ...Climate change [victims].. Climate change [victims] ..
I see what you mean, in this post above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113777-Kazakhstan-Anomaly-flash-freezing-animals&p=1406085&viewfull=1#post1406085)

DeDukshyn - I always appreciate your grounded PoV especially now, much appreciated!

I'm unlikely to add running commentary against every post from here on, but will be reading avidly :heart:

[palehorse]

god damn it those bastards playing tricks..

This one doesn't seem to be real, look at their "frozen" positions (looks like someone placed them in the spot) and look at any historical founds of frozen mummies, they doesn't look the same. In Siberia was recorded -71° C in the 70's and nobody got completely frozen, nor humans neither animals. Also in Siberia they found bisons and other frozen mummies, their bodies were preserved and they believe it happen in the ice-age event.

In Vostok - Antarctica the average temperature is −55° C, no animals living there except whales, seals, krills, penguins and the likes.

It is interesting to observe that frost can kill some plants and crops very easily, I had witnessed a few times unexpected frost and the crop failed, lost entire plantation. Freezing temperatures could kill animals and humans, but then something must be really wrong with the weather.

What I am saying is: -51° C didn't kill those animals something or somebody else did.

[ExomatrixTV]

What if (multiple?) countries testing new form of weather-warfare (https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/) / weather extremes maybe done from from space via satellites combined with "next generation" chemtrails connected to Bill Gates (http://tinyurl.com/BillGatesTyranny)? ... If so it fits perfect to the "Great Reset (http://tinyurl.com/TheGreatReset) / Agenda2030" ... I heard many times from different sources that all draconian "covid lockdown measures" will slowly change in to lockdowns to "save the earth" blah blah to be sure all economies will be destroyed except the Ultra Rich just like the "Hunger Games" movie ... almost everything goes "virtual" same for the inauguration scam. Many (symbolic) similarities with the (predictive programming) sf-movie.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
January 23, 2020


tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030 (http://tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030)
climateviewer.com (https://climateviewer.com)

[DeDukshyn]

What if (multiple?) countries testing new form of weather warfare / weather extremes maybe done from from space via satellites combined with "next generation" chemtrails connected to Bill Gates (http://tinyurl.com/BillGatesTyranny)? ... If so it fits perfect to the "Great Reset (http://tinyurl.com/TheGreatReset) / Agenda2030" ... I heard many times from different sources that all draconian "covid lockdown measures" will slowly change in to lockdowns to "save the earth" blah blah to be sure all economies will be destroyed except the Ultra Rich just like the "Hunger Games" movie ... almost everything goes "virtual" same for the inauguration scam. Many (symbolic) similarities with the (predictive programming) sf-movie.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
January 23, 2020


tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030 (http://tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030)


Well, it could be. But also it could be just a regular winter in Kazakhstan, since -51 is within the realm of "normal' for a Kazakhstan winter.




"Cold winter starts in November and lasts till the end of April. The influence of Arctic air masses leads to a strong cold (up to -50 С°)" https://www.advantour.com/kazakhstan/weather.htm

[Matthew]

If they are frozen (if) then it would take more than -51 to freeze the animals like that, and some are reported/fabled to have been frozen in motion. Following my imagination down this train of thought brings freeze weapons to mind. The idea it's a hoax is fine, it feels like a show. But in another conversation it wouldn't be such a surprise to me that it was a sinister show, to cause a shock of fear. I'm sure freezing is a viable type of weapon technology that's been researched and developed, just as gain-of-function virus' are

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm interested in that discussion too.

There is a way to draw off heat by using multiple lasers. The lasers are arrayed in such a fashion that they focus on a central point, I believe. In that point is the sample to be frozen. The lasers limit vibration of the sample through resonance, I believe. Even photons of light, through the additional aid of a 'special circumstantial medium', have been slowed to a stop. Or in the case of the sample, cooled to almost absolute zero...

[DeDukshyn]

If they are frozen (if) then it would take more than -51 to freeze the animals like that, and some are reported/fabled to have been frozen in motion. Following my imagination down this train of thought brings freeze weapons to mind. The idea it's a hoax is fine, it feels like a show. But in another conversation it wouldn't be such a surprise to me that it was a sinister show, to cause a shock of fear. I'm sure freezing is a viable type of weapon technology that's been researched and developed, just as gain-of-function virus' are

Weather modification isn't really secret or new technology - the Russians started playing with it in the 70's. USA shortly afterwards.

I think the animals in the video were possibly found frozen, he gathered them up, staged them, put the frozen rat on the dogs back and made the video. Playful intent is what Occam's razor would indicate in this instance. And for all we know he could be saying "I found these animals frozen in the snow so I staged them here like this for my video ..." etc.

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I'm interested in that discussion too.

There is a way to draw off heat by using multiple lasers. The lasers are arrayed in such a fashion that they focus on a central point, I believe. In that point is the sample to be frozen. The lasers limit vibration of the sample through resonance, I believe. Even photons of light, through the additional aid of a 'special circumstantial medium', have been slowed to a stop. Or in the case of the sample, cooled to almost absolute zero...

Microwave technology would probably be easier and cheaper (maybe a HAARP type tech). Just heat some air next to an arctic mass (easy to do with microwaves) - the heated air rises, creating a low pressure area - the arctic air mass rushes in to balance the pressure differential.

[Matthew]

I wasn't thinking about weaponised weather, although that sort of thing too. Whatever directed energy weapons are, and whatever form they take. Satellite or vehicle mounted was in my imagination when I was thinking that way. Yes the thought train goes beyond Occam's razor, it's doesn't have to take main stage but it has its place

[DeDukshyn]

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[Matthew]

Occam's razor
The simplest explanation is usually the right one

Thank you DeDukshyn - discussions of the imagination can be bad for the echo chamber without accepting/declaring an Occam's razor point of view first, easy to forget. Cool move 🤣🤣


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[Matthew]

So since we have established baseline most probable cause we can think of, it's a great hoax, I want to elaborate on why the idea of weapons came to my mind. It was seeing a linked article from the first one (in the opening post).


200,000 Saiga antelopes were wiped out by a MUTANT bacteria, normaly harmless in the animals’ bodies
https://strangesounds.org/2018/01/200000-saiga-antilopes-wiped-out-by-mutant-bacteria-harmless-dieoff-kazakhstan.html

Could be unconnected. Could be innocent or could be sinister.

However, before I could stop myself, I wondered if Kazakhstan could be a the geopolitical place where it's safe to test your new secret weapons. Who's going to be offended? And since gain-of-function virus' are all the rage, my mind easily went of gain-of-function biological weapons.

https://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/saiga-antilope-die-off.jpg

Not talking about the poor antelopes, but the frozen thing.. well, either I guess. But I'm interested in your Occam's razor OR just what your gut's saying. Your best critical thinking or your coffee break natter. Either or both, I'd be delighted if you felt you could share

[DeDukshyn]

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Not talking about the poor antelopes, but the frozen thing.. well, either I guess. But I'm interested in your Occam's razor OR just what your gut's saying. Your best critical thinking or your coffee break natter. Either or both, I'd be delighted if you felt you could share

On the frozen thing, first thing I would consider is this: I am an outsider, not from Kazakhstan, looking in, and judging a video, of frozen animals, that has a narration, but I cannot understand anything the guy is saying, so anything I imagine him saying is created from my biased imagination. If I were a person who lived in Kazakhstan, and endured the extremely harsh winters where the temperatures being claimed are not outside of the norm, what might I think of those temperatures? What I might think if that guy was my neighbour and he shared with me that video?

Something like that first, before ever moving on to more exotic scenarios. Any such exotic scenario needs to have a motive that can be reasonably satisfied, a means that can be reasonably satisfied, a time period that can be reasonably satisfied, etc.

If after exploring all those things, the simplest reasoning makes the most sense, then maybe I might consider, would someone merely want me to consider the simplest reasoning and that this is actually more complex? But any venture into this area gets into tin foil hat territory, and strong evidence and reasoning, and the means, and the motive, to support it is required. If those can't be met, time to move on to the next great mystery! :)

[Matthew]

Totally fair enough, time to move on. But glad you took part too. Anyone else with an inkling or feeling, well, facebook might not be the best place to express it, but Project Avalon probably is ;) Thank you in advance for expressing your opinion

[palehorse]

Since the news says it is in Kazakhstan, but didn't care to share the exactly location, Kazakhstan is a big country, I am taking into consideration that the event took place in north-east of the country in one of the coldest place over there called Pavlodar.
Here is an historical data of temperatures in Pavlodar-Kazakhstan from JAN 1st 2000 until JAN 23rd 2021

https://i.imgur.com/hKOdMg9.png

Anyone can check historical temp. data here https://rp5.ru/Weather_archive_in_Pavlodar or here https://power.larc.nasa.gov/data-access-viewer/

[Ernie Nemeth]

I've worked in -40 degree weather. We'd go out in shifts of twenty minutes. It was so cold!

I'm pretty sure I could take more than another ten degrees before freezing solid in mid stride...

[Agape]

Well I’ve just noticed through the news pages that they’ve recorded some extremely low temperatures in the far North - Siberia, less than -50 C.
These freezing air waves are typically connected to drifting away parts of polar vortex and have already caused several dangerous freezing waves in previous winters,
throughout Europe, the British Isles and parts of Northern America ( as the cold wave spirals downwards it eventually descends and hits even southern parts of either continent).

Coldest air on Earth sends temperatures bellow -50 C in Siberia (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/amp/news/article/coldest-air-on-earth-sends-temperatures-below-50-celsius-in-)

Considering its now locked to the Northern parts of continent and far away from most of our latitudes, it may still come down on us in later parts of February if not earlier.


It seems to be connected to decrease of humidity in global atmosphere, partially due to cohesive nature of water molecules depending on temperature, pressure etc.,
and more water bodies being trapped together by El Niño effect.

It’s how we get less rains and atmospheric water regularly and are more vulnerable to these arctic waves and other dry climatic conditions, electric storms etc.


The Polar Vortex is coming and rising odds for intense winter weather -National Geographic (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/environment/2021/01/the-polar-vortex-is-coming-raising-odds-for-intense-winter-weather)


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[Billy]

A stunning ice volcano forming in Kazakhstan

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Quite refreshing seeing folks outside having fun :bearhug: