Avoiding the Experimental Vaccine

[Journeyman]

Whilst I know many here oppose any vaccination, others may be ok with the principle of vaccination, but wary over the experimental nature of the new and largely untested MRNA variants.

Also, many are already under pressure from workplaces to accept a vaccine. So perhaps this news may be of use to some of you:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/french-vaccine-maker-valneva-launches-phase-3-trial-of-its-covid-19-shot-after-snubbing-eu-11619091912


French biotech company Valneva has launched a pivotal Phase 3 trial for its experimental COVID-19 vaccine — the last step before seeking regulatory approval.

It comes as Valneva said it would give priority to securing deals with individual countries after it failed to make “meaningful progress” on supplying its vaccine candidate to the European Union, dealing another blow to the bloc’s immunization program.

Valneva’s Phase 3 trial – called Cov-Compare – will compare the immune response generated by its vaccine with that of the vaccine developed jointly by AstraZeneca AZN, -0.34% and the University of Oxford, the company said in a statement on Wednesday.

Read: Young, healthy adults will be deliberately reinfected with COVID-19 to boost vaccine development

The trial will look at the immune response of 4,000 participants two weeks after getting their second dose of either vaccine, administered in a four-week interval. It will be conducted at approximately 25 sites in the U.K. with the support of the National Institute for Health Research.

The company plans to conduct additional, complementary trials while the Cov-Compare study is progressing.

Shares in Valneva VLA, -1.42% rose 2.59% in early European trading. The stock has risen more than 57% in the year to date, according to FactSet.

Saint-Herblain, France-based Valneva is developing an inactivated, whole virus vaccine, a more traditional approach to making shots than the one taken by German biotech BioNTech BNTX, 3.21% with U.S. drug company Pfizer PFE, -0.43%. Valneva will use an adjuvant — ingredients that can be added to vaccines to make them more effective — made by U.S. biopharmaceutical Dynavax DVAX, -0.11%.

Read: French vaccine maker Valneva to launch Phase 3 trial of COVID-19 vaccine it’s making with Dynavax after positive results

Valneva said on April 6 that it would start large-scale efficacy trials of its two-dose vaccine candidate later that month, after initial results from a Phase 1/2 clinical trial involving 153 people aged 18-55, showed it produced a “strong immune response.”

The shot was also found to be “highly immunogenic,” with “more than 90% of all study participants developing significant levels of antibodies to the coronavirus spike protein. It also induced T-cell responses, which help the body fend off a virus and play a role in long-lasting immunity.

Valneva expects to file for approval with U.K. regulators in the autumn of 2021. If approved, the vaccine will be produced in Livingston, Scotland. The U.K. has secured up to 100 million doses of the inactivated vaccine, with the option of purchasing 90 million more doses between 2023 and 2025. Valneva expects to deliver 60 million doses by the end of the first quarter of 2022.

If you tell your workplace that you're waiting the traditional, proven method of vaccine and put all the emphasis for refusal on the well documented experimental nature of the MRNA delivery mechanism you may make it more difficult for them to make trouble for you? At least it would buy you some time until the Autumn, when a lot more may be known about the current vaccines. At that point you may at least have a more traditional vaccine as an option which would hopefully not have some of the worrying potential aspects of the MRNA variants?

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Whilst I know many here oppose any vaccination, others may be ok with the principle of vaccination, but wary over the experimental nature of the new and largely untested MRNA variants.

Also, many are already under pressure from workplaces to accept a vaccine. So perhaps this news may be of use to some of you:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/french-vaccine-maker-valneva-launches-phase-3-trial-of-its-covid-19-shot-after-snubbing-eu-11619091912


French biotech company Valneva has launched a pivotal Phase 3 trial for its experimental COVID-19 vaccine — the last step before seeking regulatory approval.

It comes as Valneva said it would give priority to securing deals with individual countries after it failed to make “meaningful progress” on supplying its vaccine candidate to the European Union, dealing another blow to the bloc’s immunization program.

Valneva’s Phase 3 trial – called Cov-Compare – will compare the immune response generated by its vaccine with that of the vaccine developed jointly by AstraZeneca AZN, -0.34% and the University of Oxford, the company said in a statement on Wednesday.

Read: Young, healthy adults will be deliberately reinfected with COVID-19 to boost vaccine development

The trial will look at the immune response of 4,000 participants two weeks after getting their second dose of either vaccine, administered in a four-week interval. It will be conducted at approximately 25 sites in the U.K. with the support of the National Institute for Health Research.

The company plans to conduct additional, complementary trials while the Cov-Compare study is progressing.

Shares in Valneva VLA, -1.42% rose 2.59% in early European trading. The stock has risen more than 57% in the year to date, according to FactSet.

Saint-Herblain, France-based Valneva is developing an inactivated, whole virus vaccine, a more traditional approach to making shots than the one taken by German biotech BioNTech BNTX, 3.21% with U.S. drug company Pfizer PFE, -0.43%. Valneva will use an adjuvant — ingredients that can be added to vaccines to make them more effective — made by U.S. biopharmaceutical Dynavax DVAX, -0.11%.

Read: French vaccine maker Valneva to launch Phase 3 trial of COVID-19 vaccine it’s making with Dynavax after positive results

Valneva said on April 6 that it would start large-scale efficacy trials of its two-dose vaccine candidate later that month, after initial results from a Phase 1/2 clinical trial involving 153 people aged 18-55, showed it produced a “strong immune response.”

The shot was also found to be “highly immunogenic,” with “more than 90% of all study participants developing significant levels of antibodies to the coronavirus spike protein. It also induced T-cell responses, which help the body fend off a virus and play a role in long-lasting immunity.

Valneva expects to file for approval with U.K. regulators in the autumn of 2021. If approved, the vaccine will be produced in Livingston, Scotland. The U.K. has secured up to 100 million doses of the inactivated vaccine, with the option of purchasing 90 million more doses between 2023 and 2025. Valneva expects to deliver 60 million doses by the end of the first quarter of 2022.

If you tell your workplace that you're waiting the traditional, proven method of vaccine and put all the emphasis for refusal on the well documented experimental nature of the MRNA delivery mechanism you may make it more difficult for them to make trouble for you? At least it would buy you some time until the Autumn, when a lot more may be known about the current vaccines. At that point you may at least have a more traditional vaccine as an option which would hopefully not have some of the worrying potential aspects of the MRNA variants?

Sounds as if they are actually testing this one. But I most likely will not have that one either. I react very badly to a simple flu vaccine. I have not had one in years and I have not had the flu. I think I will just continue on with my immunity boosters Fortunately, I work from home, live in the middle of nowhere and have little exposure to people. I suspect being around someone who is shedding Covid after a vaccination could be very bad for me.

[pyrangello]

Went to my uncles funeral last night, it was a 2 hr drive. My one cousin said my uncle seemed fine before he went to sleep, its just he never woke up after that. All my cousins came down with covid prior to his passing , Just as this virus did here where I live back last october, came in in a rushed sweep and left just as fast. In the small town where my uncle died, this strain did the same thing 2 weeks ago, My aunt and uncle took the shot, a few days later my cousins got sick, yes they see each other almost daily. My aunt and uncle were not sick but my 3 cousins were, fever, no smell , loss of appetite. The morning my uncle died , so did all the symptoms of this virus in my cousins except even at the funeral they still can't smell. The funeral director who did the eulogies was not wearing a mask the entire time and speaking with him privately he is awoken and is not taking this shot. Many of my family members have already. What do you say at this point. Nothing, it is a time to say goodbye to my uncle not present a case of what is happening.

I was struck at how this isolation on my elder relatives is taking its toll. You can see the stress and strain in their faces, the aging and unhappiness this self isolation is taking was just so sad. Being scared to come to a relatives funeral as well. It really just made me pause for a moment on what this is doing to families around the world and individuals too. And the perception of validation that I have taken my shot when at the same time nothing has changed in their life since taking that shot, mask, isolation , and fear are still all present.

My one cousin said to me since he has had this virus now he can't get the shot for 6 months. That rang a bell in my head, not once has the media or CDC said if you get the covid you cannot get a the shot for a while or ever. Remember the study with the 1918 flu and the people that made it thru still had the antibodies 100 years later. If I was a betting man , I'm guessing the same applies to this virus. Which is exactly why I don't wear a mask or social distance and see people daily . And I'm also guessing these antibodies never go away either but that doesn't fit the narrative of the shot and boosters too. And of course profits and as an added bonus more people leaving the earth premature. Yes I have a deep conviction at this point .

In memory of my uncle, what a cool guy he was. He poured and finished cement all his life, surfed in California, was a little league coach for baseball and boxing, Love his vintage car, bonfires, deer hunting , and his family. He wasn't just a dad, he was their best friend too. One funny moment was when my aunt was talking about him to everyone, good husband, best friend, great dad, and yes I will see him again, and the humorous part of that comment was when she followed that up with "Just not today". Everyone go a chuckle out of that. As I was leaving almost everyone was gone and my cousins and aunt were cleaning, I turned to the funeral director and said and now life continues on doesn't it. Very humbling evening for me.

[mountain_jim]

Fair question and the worst area of Trump's policies in my view all along

https://gab.com/RedPillBlackGurl/posts/106112444962877359



IS TRUMP A WOLF IN MAGA CLOTHING?

PRAYER REQUEST: For Trump Supporters to Have Discernment

Despite several years back while running for president in 2016 expressing his own “anti-vaccine” sentiments, Trump has now decided to take aim at those “resisting” the latest experimental injections from Big Pharma, which are not even approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Trump says that it is “sheer lunacy” for Resident Joe Biden “to delay millions of vaccinations and feed fears among the vax-resistant.” “Indeed, this moronic move is a gift to the anti-vax movement,” Trump added in the email. “The science bureaucrats are fueling that deranged pseudo-science.”

Many seem to have forgotten that it was Trump who declared a “national emergency” with regards to the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) back on March 13, 2020. This opened up the door for nationwide lockdowns, mask mandates and other authoritarian impositions. Not long after his declaration, Trump announced the launch of Operation Warp Speed, which promised a “fast-tracked” vaccine scheme to be rolled out at “warp speed.”

Now, thanks to Trump, Americans are being coerced into getting jabbed as a condition of returning back to “normal.” Governments around the world, including here in the United States, are also now talking about forcing people to carry around “vaccine passports” to prove they were injected as a condition of entry into stores.




https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-04-22-trump-says-refusing-covid19-vaccination-deranged-pseudoscience.html



Trump email announcement says refusing Covid-19 vaccination is “deranged pseudoscience”

(Natural News) In an email blast sent out to his supporters on Monday, former President Donald Trump bashed those who are just saying no to the experimental Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) gene therapy injections being administered under his “Operation Warp Speed” mass vaccination scheme.

According to Trump, there is no reason for anyone to skip the jab because “every medication” carries with it “some risk.” Taking a precautionary approach, even for an alleged virus that almost nobody develops symptoms from, is “deranged pseudo-science,” according to Trump.

“The federal pause on the J&J shot makes no sense,” Trump complained. “Why is the Biden White House letting insanely risk-averse bureaucrats run the show?

Trump is referring, of course, to the federal government’s temporary halt on all further administration of Johnson & Johnson’s Chinese Virus injection, which just like every other emergency use authorization (EUA) jab currently being administered is linked to deadly blood clots.

In Trump’s view, most people are not experiencing these blood clots immediately after injection so there is no reason to stop the highly profitable, zero-liability operation from proceeding.

“Just six people out of the nearly 7 million who’ve gotten the Johnson & Johnson vaccine reported blood clots,” Trump further whined. “The condition is more common in the general population, and every vaccine – indeed, every medication – carries some risk, including the Moderna and Pfizer jabs.”

Despite several years back while running for president in 2016 expressing his own “anti-vaccine” sentiments, Trump has now decided to take aim at those “resisting” the latest experimental injections from Big Pharma, which are not even approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Trump says that it is “sheer lunacy” for Resident Joe Biden “to delay millions of vaccinations and feed fears among the vax-resistant.”

“Indeed, this moronic move is a gift to the anti-vax movement,” Trump added in the email. “The science bureaucrats are fueling that deranged pseudo-science.”

You can read the full press release below as tweeted by the Right Side Broadcasting Network (RSBN):



From Gab's founder

https://news.gab.com/2021/04/22/gab-welcomes-pushback-against-experimental-vaccines/



Gab Welcomes Pushback Against Experimental Vaccines
Post author
By Andrew Torba
Post date
April 22, 2021

I am not going to stop pushing back against this experimental covid vaccine. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS NOT LAB RATS. I’ve seen far too many horror stories and this is too important.

The fact that Trump is pushing this vaccine and even proudly taking credit for it alongside the globalists is really disheartening, especially as someone who voted for him twice and faced down a mob of insane people for five years because of it.

Where is the Donald Trump of 2014 who tweeted “Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!”

Where did that guy go?

If you log into Facebook, YouTube, Google, and Twitter today you will be bombarded with “GET THE VACCINE NOW” across every feed. You open up your email inbox or turn on the TV and it’s the same thing. It’s sickening. It’s the largest psychological conditioning operation in human history.

Being anti-experimental vaccine is not about being “anti-science.” It’s about being pro-humanity. It’s about religious liberty. It’s about free speech. This moment is exactly what Gab was built for.

If you can’t question the largest science experiment in history, if you can’t opt-out, if you can’t highlight all the problems with it, and if any medical professional who dares to question it is silenced then you are living in a state of global medical tyranny.

As I wrote earlier this month, the vaccine has become a religious ceremony and people have a right to not participate in it. I will not be peer pressured by government, globohomo corporations, celebrities, or even my friends and family to do anything; let alone inject a foreign substance into my body. Deal with it.

Gab will be the one place on the internet where it’s okay to say you’re not getting the vaccine and it’s okay to question it and it’s okay to talk about the horrific side effects that many people are experiencing.

Nothing and no one is going to change that.

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com

[Brigantia]

This is more a question than a comment; I know someone who had the first of 2 of one of the MRNA vaccines, but has decided not to have the second. Is having the first just as bad as taking both, or would it be a lesser risk to decline the second one?

[Bill Ryan]

This is more a question than a comment; I know someone who had the first of 2 of one of the MRNA vaccines, but has decided not to have the second. Is having the first just as bad as taking both, or would it be a lesser risk to decline the second one?My immediate answer is that if one is concerned about the effects, then it's definitely better to decline the second shot and back out completely. (My guess is that quite a lot of people out there will now be doing that)

[happyuk]

I just had a long conversation with my boss about why I will not take the vaccine. He arranged for everyone in the company to go and get the shot. There was myself and one other person who refused. I have just learn that the other person agreed to it this morning. I am sure the boss told him what he told me and that was basically if you want to stay employed you need to get the jab. Why? It seems that companies are being offered a monetary incentive to 100% vaccination within the company----by the US government. I have a medical excuse at the moment but my boss is being very intimidating about this so I may soon be looking for another job. Or maybe I should just retire and spend my days hugging my trees and taking long walks with my horse.

Don't quit, let him fire you. Then sue his ass.

Agreed. Particularly if in your neck of the woods experimental therapies are not a legal requirement for employment. It's not a legal requirement in the UK and any employer that acts otherwise is breaking the law.

This guy sounds like an ignorant, thuggish, tribalist piece of trash. You get 'em everywhere in large companies where senior management are too cowardly to confront this kind of dirty work themselves.
Don't let him browbeat you into doing anything.

Really disappointing to read of Trump's pro-vaccination stance. It seems he had his chance to take on the deep state career politicians and squandered it - if he ever was sincere that is.

[Delight]

Really disappointing to read of Trump's pro-vaccination stance. It seems he had his chance to take on the deep state career politicians and squandered it - if he ever was sincere that is.

Back in 2016 after he was elected he reneged on his vaccine skepticism and that was my last bit of confidence in his ability to address what is really groping.... the health of the nation. I am not surprised at all by his stand... you heard it at CPAC when he took credit for the jab. He is just another demoralizer.....

[Matthew]

From the telegram group Covid Vaccine Reactions

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739543049813753977/835591045411504128/unknown.png?width=215&height=430

"
Hi everyone. I am a midwife feeling passionate about birth. I never fear the covid virus and do always think about protecting myself by taking high dose vit C as well as vit D and also a good quality probiotic like 'symprove'. I recently commented on a friends post about the covid jab. She was unsure whether to have it and felt nervous. I encouraged her to look it up and I told her about the ingredients. Someone who doesn't believe what I said is true has referred me to NMC about my fitness to practice. This is a message to any other nurses or midwives to be careful as I would not wish this on anyone. Even though this is a country with freedom of speech it isn't really"

[happyuk]

Really disappointing to read of Trump's pro-vaccination stance. It seems he had his chance to take on the deep state career politicians and squandered it - if he ever was sincere that is.

Back in 2016 after he was elected he reneged on his vaccine skepticism and that was my last bit of confidence in his ability to address what is really groping.... the health of the nation. I am not surprised at all by his stand... you heard it at CPAC when he took credit for the jab. He is just another demoralizer.....

He's gone from backpedalling from his initial statements to insulting his voters who haven't gotten the vaccine yet.

All in vain hopes of him having any sort of political career in the future.

[gord]

Paraphrasing some texting minutes ago with a family member:

me : "I'm not anti-vax. I'm just not going along with an unapproved medical procedure with no possibility for compensation if it's flawed."

response: "gotcha"

[Delight]

Placing this here..... so many threads to choose from. This uncovers so many minions of the Jabberwockies

CULT FICTION: A COMPREHENSIVE CASE AGAINST THE NEW NORMAL | REMNANT TV (https://www.bitchute.com/video/4MFluiVCB3w3/)

FYI coming up

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[Delight]

This is a transcript of an interview at The Daily Expose


DR MIKE YEADON has described how creating lethal pathogens that can kill at different points in time is “easy” and says this is being used for “mass global extermination”. He fears vaccine passports is the next step in the plan and is now looking to leave the UK.

Authored by Oliver May for The Daily Expose – 25th April 2021
(https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/25/an-exclusive-interview-with-dr-mike-yeadon/)
Dr Yeadon, a former vice-president and chief scientific officer of the Allergy and Respiratory department at Pfizer, who has also provided a simple explanation of why lockdowns could never have worked, went on to explain that there is “zero” chance of incessantly reported new variants escaping immunity.

The 60-year-old, convinced the UK reached herd immunity last May, is now looking to move to Florida, where he hopes to work alongside Governor Ron DeSantis. He has expressed his severe concern over vaccine passports, saying that not only do healthy people under 60 not need a Covid 19 vaccine, but that the introduction of certification could lead to a society whereby, without such a pass, you may not even be permitted to leave your house.

In a passionate exclusive interview with The Daily Expose, he also criticised former Conservative MP Edwina Currie for her “uninformed” scattergun comments on Good Morning Britain in which she said she would not want anyone unvaccinated anywhere near her.

Dr Yeadon said: “I know enough about biotechnology to know that you can easily create, shall we say, pathogens, which don’t look like they’re related to what you’ve done. And what’s even more horrifying is you can separate them in time, so an injection which will later make you ill or kill you can be separated by design in time from that event. So you might die a year later of liver cancer or something and you wouldn’t connect that. And if you can imagine making a smorgasbord of different pathogens so not everybody is going to die of the same thing, you literally could do away with big slices of the population if you want. And we could all be running around like headless chickens. This is an attempt on global depopulation.

“I think vaccine passports are a gateway to numerous things and it is my belief that it will be a gateway to mass killing, in the billions. And the reason I say that is many of the key players, including Bill Gates and his father and Boris Johnson and his father, have all been maniacal – and possibly correct – about earth being overpopulated. Even if we said to people can you stop having children, the population would only start to fall in about 100 years. If you got birth rates down below replacement, it would still take a century given each new birth will probably live out 100 years.

“I accept the argument that, if we are on the verge of destroying the planet, the ecosystem and its non-renewables and biodiversity, if these things are true then, I’m not saying I endorse it, I can see the argument of ‘do you know what, the only possible way to save the earth is to get rid of 90 per cent of the people and then it will be a nice place to live’.

“I think a group of people over decades have said to each other, ‘this is an awful task that has fallen to us, which is to rescue the human species and its planet and there is no other way of doing it except for mass extermination. And it’s not something that anybody would want to do but we have to do it and it’s got to happen in this generation and these are the technological advances required’.

“There are some clever people who have taken it upon themselves to basically do God’s work and to do a violent readjustment of the population of the world to put it into a position where, once it sorts itself out from this utter bloody disaster, will be a place where 500million people maybe will be living on the planet and they can have comfortable sustainable lives with plenty of space, plenty of room for the animals. I will not support what they’re doing but that would provide a justification for those who are doing it.”

Dr Yeadon believes the proof lies in the correlation between deaths and the rollout of vaccines which have been rushed through via an Emergency Use Authorisation. He said: “If you look at every regional health authority, they tick up on the same day, they peak at the same day and drop back in the same way and that’s because they’re sycned to vaccination. If it was the spreading of an epidemic, it could not possibly occur in Auchtermuchty on the same day as Aldershot. It can’t, it has to move.

“But the thing that moved was the vaccination squads. They started on December 8 everywhere in the NHS and then in the care homes, so that was the strong clue for me that what was correlating with the time and cause of deaths was not a geographical history and neither were the differences in timing, it was just the date of vaccination.

“Can it be stopped? I am not optimistic about the UK because as time has gone on there are fewer of me and most people have just put their heads down. I am fortunate in a number of ways, I have the breadth of a full career behind me and I love science and biology. There is nothing I can be fired from and I’m not doing it for money, so I can only be stopped if they arrest me or kill me.

“But I don’t fear for my life. It’s over anyway. This is not going to return to normal. It would be pointless. There is no way, with the amount of damage that has been done deliberately, would it then just be left. It would just be dumb. It would make no sense at all to have marched people up to the top of the hill and then say, ‘you can go back now’. And remember the drum beats for vaccine passports are very strong. And once that’s in then if they can transition an absolute majority that they already have who will be so delighted with their privileges, beeping their phones when they go in and out of shops, they are not going to pay any attention to someone like me who says, ‘excuse me what about the unvaccinated’?

“They will say, ‘well don’t you know, you’re the unclean people, you’re the ones brewing the variants, you’re going to kill us. Can you just go away or I might feel that I have to kill you’. I expect vaccine passport will come in and those who have already been vaccinated will whoop for joy, a large number of people yet to be vaccinated will rush to get vaccinated because they will see their horizons will be shrunk and they simply won’t realise they are being herded like cattle into a pen.

“I would fear next winter being an unvaccinated person in this country, there will be additional orchestrated events. They will need that in order to drive people to top-up vaccines. I’ve decided I’m not going to stop the fight, I’m going to leave the country. I’ll go wherever I have to because it’s not going to be safe for unvaccinated people indefinitely.”

Top-up vaccines is another thing that frightens Dr Yeadon, who highlighted the fact that these too will forego any further safety checks. He added that the driver for these will come in the form of new variants, which he says are barely any different from the original sequence.

“As soon as they started talking about it [new variants] I went to look at the source material and found that the variants most different from the Wuhan sequence are still 99.7 per cent identical,” said Dr Yeadon. “And I can assure you that there is zero – not just implausible, but zero – chance something that would escape the immunity of someone who was immune from natural infection or vaccinated. It’s absolutely impossible, no matter what they tell you.

“We know for example that Sars 2003 is 20 per cent different – not 0.3, 180 times different – and the immune system has absolutely no trouble in recognising the two as brothers. I have empirical evidence, theoretical evidence and yet, countering that, we are being told by Sage, politicians, people around the world that you need these variant vaccines. We’ve closed our borders, we’re smashing our economy and depriving people of their liberty over the theoretical concern about variants, which is a lie. And now we are making variant vaccines. I became terrified when I knew they were actually making them and not just talking about it – and when all the large medicine regulators of the world put out a joint statement saying that, because vaccine variants are so similar to the parents from which they’re derived, we will not require the manufacturers to conduct any clinical safety studies.

“I have spoken to eight professors in the UK whose discipline includes immunology and they all agree with my analysis in terms of the technical side of it. Three months ago my fear levels went into the red and I begged them, ‘people like you have go to start writing letters to editors and getting pieces into the papers that this b******t about variants is fake because people are going to believe it’. Carl Heneghan [director of evidence based medicine at Oxford University] said that the world is in such a sort of panic at the moment, anything he could say would not have any breakthrough power at all.

“We’ve been trained to think that if anyone raises any question at all about vaccines, you automatically think ‘anti-vaxxer’. I’ve spent my entire professional career in the industry that produces these things. I would say I’m extremely pro innovative medicines. I don’t have an anti bloody anything in my body except I’m anti unsafe medicines. Why have we got vaccines that clearly are much more dangerous than other public health prophylactic vaccines, because they are if you just compare the number of people that have died within a month with the number of reported deaths after all other vaccines – it’s like 10 times worse.

“There have been 10 times more deaths from within a couple of months of any covid vaccination than in the entire year for all other vaccines combined. Most vaccines are very safe but there are rare idiosyncratic responses including fatal ones and I’m afraid that does happen. You might just drop dead tomorrow going out to your car. But as long as the numbers are very, very small it’s tolerable, because there is a benefit to it. But what we have here is that, even if the people being given the vaccines were at risk – and a lot of them are not – anyone 60 or younger who is in good physcial shape and does not have serious prior chronic conditions is not going to be killed by this virus, they’re just not. It’s unethical even to bloody offer it to them. There is no logic to the statement that we need to vaccinate everybody in order to stop this, it’s just nonsense.

“Now if Edwina Currie is vaccinated then she is fine. She might sincerely believe what she’s saying in which case she’s just uninformed and nuts. I’m sure lots of MPs have just been given the brief and they’re not very clever. I’ve personally spoken to about 60. Several get it reasonably well but some of them are just embarrassing.”

Reports have surfaced in the past week that trials mean venues might be able to open to capacity audiences on June 21, in keeping with the Government’s roadmap – but only if people agree to Covid passports. Dr Yeadon believes that introducing such a system will create a two-tier society and one which can be tweaked at a moment’s notice depending on the Government’s wishes.

Dr Yeadon said: “There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Westminster will save the people. They are the tools of our destruction. They will vote vaccine passports through, even those who know these are horrible things. They’ll be told it’s temporary and get their pat on the shoulder. But of course they won’t be temporary.

“For example, you might even be told as from next month it will be illegal to leave your house without a valid vaccine passport. That’s how easy it would be. We are following “the science”, capital T, capital S. I’m not saying they will do that but they can exclude non-vaccinated people from civil society wholly and that is what is happening in Israel. Once this system comes in I cannot see a way in which it can be undone. They might say initially you can’t enter a sports ground or a large shopping complex, but then in a couple of weeks they might say, ‘as of Tuesday all large supermarkets will use vaccine passports on the door’, so that’s them out. And eventually they can say, ‘as from Wednesday week, all cashless transactions must be preceded by demonstration of a vaccine pass’ – so you can’t even fill your car with petrol. It could happen.

“The idea would be for me to be in America, educating and essentially immunising populations and politicians against what is happening, so that when they’re told next time that you need to lock down your businesses and your state, they won’t. That’s the goal. My preferred one would be to go and work for either Governor DeSantis or his scientific advisory team.”

Dr Yeadon has criticised his peers for failing to speak out against the problems he sees with following only one line of enquiry. He explains that the UK’s official figures of 4,395,703 positive cases and 127,000 simply cannot be believed due to the countless levels of contamination in testing and the unprecedented change in how deaths are certified.

He said: “I am disappointed that almost no one in the scientific community has said anything. What about recently retired professors, people who are not being paid by universities, why aren’t you saying something? Is it cowardice? Death certification has been radically changed in a way that has never been done anywhere for any disease. And we have never used PCR on an industrial scale and it is my opinion – confirmed by people who do this professionally – that it could never be done reliably. So whatever they tell you it’s a lie. You cannot run three quarters of a million PCR tests and not have cross contamination all over the place.

“Why were the doctors not complaining about the death certification? If you have a positive in this ropey test at any time 28 days up to your death then that is on your death certificate. It’s just not even logical. It’s like saying if you had biro on your finger at any point 28 days prior to your death, we’ll say you died of biro ink poisoning. It’s absurd. But they went along with it.”


And he has a message for those who no doubt once would have agreed that you cannot trust a politician but who know hang on their every word.

“If you spot an inconsistency, something you think, ‘that doesn’t sound right’, pursue it, because if you pursue it to a point where you think, ‘I’m not being told the truth’ – which you’re not – once you spot that, then the question would be, ‘if your Government has lied to you about one thing, don’t you think it’s quite likely it has lied to you about other things?’ I believe they are lying to you about everything.

“Let’s look at pubs; you can only take a drink outside and you can only pay for it outside. Hold on, have the supermarkets not been open continuously through this process? Sometimes it’s really busy and you might be in the shop an hour. Isn’t that an inconsistency? And why are we OK with that? I don’t believe that any outbreaks have ever been linked to a supermarket. And that is another odd one. That’s about the only place you meet. Surely all the outbreaks that aren’t linked to hospitals and care homes must be linked to common places of commerce and they are supermarkets and essential shops – there aren’t any others, none.”

And he uses supermarkets in his insight as to why lockdowns are pointless; in a nutshell, if you are full of virus, you feel very ill, so you would be at home, curled up on the sofa, in bed or in hospital. If not, you do not have enough virus in your body to be a threat of transmission. Indeed, a global study, cited by Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine at Stanford University and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, to a court in Manitoba, found that asymptomatic transmission is close to zero in an outside setting, given it is about 0.7 per cent inside.

Dr Yeadon says: “We will lock down again. They will want to do it as early as possible, so October.

But the reason why lockdowns could never have worked is combined with one of the other lies, asymptomatic transmission. The reason it’s a lie is that, in order to be a good source of infection, you need to have lots of virus in your body. If you’ve only got a little bit, the chances that you would infect another person is very low, even if you were close to them – maybe even if you kissed them – you just don’t have that much virus in and around your body.

“But if you had a thousand times more virus, maybe you could put a droplet on a person and they might inhale it or whatever. But if you have lots of virus you must have symptoms. You cannot have a situation where your body is growing huge amounts of virus in the airwaves and producing no symptoms and this is because the virus will attack you, it’s damaging your tissues, every cell it multiplies in and then escapes from is destroyed. It’s not just a theory, it’s inevitable you will have symptoms. And furthermore you need symptoms like coughing in order to propel infected droplets out of your body. They don’t come out when you’re just passively breathing. If you have lots of virus and it’s attacking you and making you ill and your immune system is fighting it back, which is also making you feel ill, those symptoms are called ‘I don’t feel well’.

“So if you’re a good source of infection, you’re symptomatic, you don’t feel well, you probably feel very ill, possibly bad enough to be in your bed and we’re giving you chicken soup and cups of tea every few hours. And if you’re a bit older you might be in hospital. But what you’re not going to be doing is dashing up and down the aisles in Sainsbury’s. Or sitting in the pub. You’re ill. So that’s the whole point. In the general community, almost no one who met the conditions to be pretty sure of infection was out there. It’s just simply not possible. You need to be full of virus, you need to get the symptoms to get the stuff out of your body but you need to be completely unwell despite those two things.

“And those things do not overlap, you can’t have ‘feeling fine out and about, looking normal but full of virus’. And we are trained to notice if someone has a cold or they look ill. We have known this stuff for tens of thousands of years. You can spot someone who is a respiratory threat to you. It’s very uncommon for people with good sources of infection to be walking about in the community and, even if they were there, you would usually avoid them. And as a result hardly any transmission occurred in the general population. And as a result shutting down the general population made f**k all difference to transmission. And that is why lockdowns don’t work and they never did. They never worked anywhere because lockdown isn’t really lockdown, it just smashes the economy.”

[pyrangello]

So here in Michigan the governor announced yesterday a % step by step program to re-opening the state and that she will not re-open the state 100% until 70% of the people are shot with the experimental vaccine. Restaurants are still at 50% restricted. Although many are just saying up yours and booking. And the mayor of Detroit yesterday announced a bounty per head if you bring a resident in from the city to get a shot you get $50.00 per person, maximum of 3 of course, there is a limit to the bounty being paid just as in the wild west. So I think we are at our peak of who's getting this shot,And thats why the next chess move, I think its at around 30% in the state now shot up. And these politicians know people are getting wise. They said on the radio this morning 24 states are seeing the covid infection rates going down, Why?????? Because summer is coming , the sun is getting hotter, remember what trump said about the intensity of the sun, I saw that in my own backyard with my solar light staying on longer. Helps deter this virus. Thats what Vitamin D3 does too. And Ivermectin and Hydroxichoriquin , sorry on spelling.

This link to this story below is what we are all wondering now, its any bodies call on what's going to happen, but with all the test animals dying and the ferrets too eventually it does give thought to ponder.
https://hnewswire.com/third-wave-of-sickness-and-death-will/

[RunningDeer]

$100 Savings Bonds Offered to Young People
in West Virginia Who Get COVID-19 Shot

Bond offer will apply retroactively to those
who have already received a COVID-19 vaccine.




WEDNESDAY, April 28, 2021

(HealthDay News (https://consumer.healthday.com/100-savings-bonds-for-young-people-in-west-virginia-who-get-covid-19-shot-2652811000.html)) -- Teens and young adults in West Virginia will receive a $100 savings bond if they get a COVID-19 shot, Governor Jim Justice says.

The offer to people aged 16 to 35 years is an attempt to boost the state's vaccination rate and move it closer to the goal of immunizing more than 70 percent of residents, CBS News reported.

"If we really want to move the needle, we've got to get our younger people vaccinated," Justice said. "If we can get to 70 percent, we'll shut this virus down. If we do that, the masks go away, the hospitalizations go away and the deaths become minimal.”

Of the state's 1.5 million residents, about 380,000 are between the ages of 16 and 35 years. The bond offer will apply retroactively to those who have already received a COVID-19 shot. The cost of the bonds will be covered by federal funds provided under the 2020 Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, CBS News reported.

Public health experts disagree on precisely how much of the U.S. population needs to be vaccinated to halt the spread of COVID-19 and reach herd immunity, with most estimates ranging from 70 to 85 percent, CBS News reported. With a significant share of Americans reporting hesitancy about getting the vaccine, scientists worry that herd immunity could be delayed.

[pyrangello]

Hmmm, next phase of the get vaxed campaign is it would be so cool to get the shot, word must have gotten out that things may be peaking with this shot, just heard on the radio here in Michigan , if you live in detroit they will bring the shot right to your house, I don't think the deaths of Hank Arron and Marvin Hagler with that shot helped that word spread out in the Black communities. They said on the radio Michigan has 2 million doses ready to go, wonder if prince harry and the star studded line up of entertainers made a difference? Lets see, summer is coming, LA story below, no new cases , not to mention the laundry list of injuries and deaths from this shot, Hmmmm, they may have to give out free milk and cookies.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9536501/Prince-Harry-gets-standing-ovation-Vax-Live-charity-concert-LA.html
Harry plays the rock star: Prince walks on to a standing ovation and tells crowd they are 'awesome' as he joins stars at 'Vax Live' Covid concert in LA before urging audience to 'look beyond ourselves', while pregnant Meghan stays at home

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/covid-vaccinations-in-us-are-slowing-as-supply-outstrips-demand.html
Covid vaccinations are slowing in the U.S. as supply outstrips demand. How states are targeting who’s left

https://apnews.com/article/iowa-health-coronavirus-bed1e61831c0485d967ca3687bc84377
Iowa turns down 71% of available vaccines on weak demand

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9536541/Los-Angeles-County-reports-NO-new-COVID-19-deaths-time-410-days.html
LA County reports NO new COVID-19 deaths for the first time in 410 days: California boasts lowest virus rates in the country

[gord]

I was going to have elective surgery to have a benign 15x13 cm lump removed from my back (that's right, I'm your friendly resident mini-Quasimodo), but I would have to get tested for covid 3 days in advance. I don't want this fraudulent, easily manipulated test any more than I want the vaccine, so I'm backing out.

My brother in law just had a heart attack and is in ICU. I don't think he's ever had heart issues, and I don't know how recently he got the vaccine, or which one. Family is now pushing again for me to get it (to potentially attend a funeral). I won't be coerced by anyone.

[Delight]

I was going to have elective surgery to have a benign 15x13 cm lump removed from my back (that's right, I'm your friendly resident mini-Quasimodo), but I would have to get tested for covid 3 days in advance. I don't want this fraudulent, easily manipulated test any more than I want the vaccine, so I'm backing out.

My brother in law just had a heart attack and is in ICU. I don't think he's ever had heart issues, and I don't know how recently he got the vaccine, or which one. Family is now pushing again for me to get it (to potentially attend a funeral). I won't be coerced by anyone.

Your situation is so hard to take in. Your BIL has a heart attack with no history and your family is thinking there may be a funeral because he is so ill? Then they are pushing the jab on you. NO possible relationship of jab to heart issues even considered. If it were I, the family would receive a letter stating the fact that this is an experimental vaccine which has been known to be strongly associated with such cardiac events. Then I would have my own private remembrance. HOPEFULLY he will recover!!!!

I have been thinking about the idea that MSM actually embeds subliminals now. I would like to know if the people who inexplicably cannot understand the danger of the jab while frantically pushing others to jab WATCH TV? I do not. I watch internet stuff but have no TV. Is there a major coincidence between jabberwockies and TV?

[RunningDeer]

URGENT! 5 Doctors Agree that COVID-19 Injections are Bioweapons and Discuss What to do About It
My thanks to mojo for posting. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/flower-rose.gif I‘m 15 minutes into this vid. It’s already power-packed.


URGENT! 5 Doctors Agree that COVID-19 Injections are Bioweapons
and Discuss What to do About It (1:20:00)

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Ever since reports have surfaced in recent days that people who have chosen NOT to receive the experimental COVID-19 shots but have been exposed to those who have received them, and have suffered what appear to be infections coming from these fully "vaccinated" people, affecting mainly women who have reported menstruation difficulties, heavy bleeding, miscarriages, and reduction of breast milk, I have been watching my newsfeed to see if any of the dissenting doctors and scientists we feature regularly here at Health Impact News would address these issues.

Fortunately, a team of 5 doctors in the U.S., all of whom we have featured in the past here at Health Impact News and are highly qualified to address this topic, just held a round-table discussion a couple of days ago to address these issues.

The issues they discuss affect ALL of us in the U.S. (and around the world) right now, and it is imperative that you take 79 minutes of your time to watch this video.

Not only do these highly qualified doctors discuss why they think this is happening, they also give practical advice at the end about what we can be doing right now to protect ourselves and stop this attack on the human race by the Globalists seeking to reduce the world's population.

Every single one of these doctors believe that these shots are NOT vaccines, but bioweapons designed to kill human beings.

Whatever else you are doing when you come across this video, it is highly unlikely that anything else you do the rest of your day will be more important than watching this video so you can be informed of the evil effects of these injections that are being censored in the corporate media and Big Tech social media.

Then share this video with as many people as you can.

URGENT! 5 Doctors Agree that COVID-19 Injections are Bioweapons and Discuss What to do About It (https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/urgent-5-doctors-agree-that-covid-19-injections-are-bioweapons-and-discuss-what-to-do-about-it/)

[happyuk]

I already posted this on another face-mask wearing thread, but felt that this presentation by Dr John Lee, UK professor of pathology and consultant histopathologist is sufficiently important to belong here, as he runs through the whole gamut of the present debacle with superbly clear precision.

To repeat: in my opinion it's by far the best summary of the whole debacle and the reasons behind the decisions taken, given that there are already some really good ones out there.

It's at approximately 37:00 where he discusses vaccinations, but the whole presentation needs listening to from start to finish by many many people.
It's presented in such a way as to be easily comprehensible by the intelligent layperson.

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[pyrangello]

FDA will not approve experimental vaccine fyi, there people will not be made to take shot either. 17,000 of them https://tapnewswire.com/2021/05/a-must-watch-nurse-in-halifax-breaks-her-silence/

[East Sun]

This figure of 90% is insane. By their vaccines they do not have to murder billions to save the planet.

Get a life Gates. I think you should be given a psychological evaluation and as you would fail should be given treatment
as a psychopath.

[Matthew]

The Merriam-Webster dictionary changed the definition of Anti-Vaxxer to mean 'people who oppose laws that mandate vaccination'

Someone's money sure gets around

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1392372369822556160
ZUBY:
@ZubyMusic
The Merriam-Webster dictionary has changed their definition of 'anti-vaxxer' to include

'people who oppose laws that mandate vaccination'.

Welcome to 1984. This is The Ministry of Truth.

[Delight]

Children getting the jab is something I just cannot comprehend.


A SHOT IN THE DARK
Please join us for a very special program concerning the potential effects of this new human gene therapy experiment on children, including possible transmission between the treated and the untreated. Featuring Dr. Brian Hooker, Ph.D. and Dr. Paul Thomas, M.D.

172966988071690

[Rawhide68]

Been thinking a lot about this genocide plandemic thingy going on., and just want share some toughts.




"They" always think in long-term plans. decades, and even centuries.

"Soon" = The world with a jabbed population, yeah! We fought of the evil nonlethal plandemic, thanks to our great scientists!!!!
Lets pray to Scientism!!!!

(I have spent hours and hours researching the mRNA jabs, the vector Jabs, and the plain old good ones legally called "vaccines" that China are using :)

"They" Thank you billions of sheeple all across the globe, we mind****ed you this time, and we will do it again!!! In a much grander scale!

What negative effects you see now from the jab's in this year decennia, is of course from their perspective to make as minimal damage.
They have unlocked the key to billions of people across the world, to "have a second shot" (remember the first one didnt kill you), Mooohhaaaaa, we can keep giving you mRNA shots forever!

It's so simple to see their plan when you learn how they think, and how they can fool ordinary people, like my mom & friends, it's so sad.

I pray to God, source or whatever is sanity in this unsane day and time in our universe.
/Thanks for reading, it helped me get some stones of my chest.

This forum will stay alive! right!!!!


over and out :heart:

[Kryztian]

I am "free to choose" as Facebook tells me with their latest ad for the CDC. I guess this is the new Orwellian definition of vaccine freedom.

https://i.imgur.com/MSuCauF.jpg

[Matthew]

...helped me get some stones of my chest....

:Avalon: :handshake: I hear you. Alt networks are a little lifeline in this mad ever maddening world

[Matthew]

@CommonWealAngus
Replying to
@prisoner1968
The senate enquiry is interesting. Especially from 43.00
source tweet (https://twitter.com/CommonWealAngus/status/1394424712378322947)

The video comes from this report referenced in the source tweet:


Doctors Testify Before Texas State Senate to Oppose Mandatory COVID Shots
5 days ago, 1 min read
https://digitalwarriorproductions.com/texas-state-senate/

https://seed125.bitchute.com/6ATV8WPR9sVH/F7fZ2VUUNbUz.mp4

[Matthew]

Darren stood as an independent candidate in the previous council elections for Peverell in Plymouth, UK. He tweeted this, below. I didn't notice these figures before but it speaks volumes.

The volumes speak volumes



@DarrenPlymouth
UK population 70 million, give or take.

UK vaccine stock, 517 million doses.

Overkill don't you think?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1xn4IWWYAQFS1O?format=png&name=small


Source tweet (https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1395104423815389190)

[Antagenet]

Yesterday I was at my family Doctor for my yearly check up, here in Mexico.
About half way through the meeting he said, "have you taken the jab?"
I was so surprised I bellowed out "NO".
Good, he said. It's not even a vax, it's experimental.
"Have you?" I asked him.
"No" he said, "there are a lot of us who aren't going to."
I think it will be pretty easy to stay vax free here!!! YAY

[TomKat]

Pretty comprehensive list of arguments you can use to avoid being forced to take the jab:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/what-to-do-if-your-employer-school-or-parish-demands-you-get-the-coronavirus-vaccine?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=8d6d335e70-Daily%2520Headlines%2520-%2520U.S._COPY_1041&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-8d6d335e70-408241262

What to do if your employer, school, or parish demands you get the coronavirus vaccine
What are your rights in these, and similar, situations? Read expert opinions and available resources.
Tue May 18, 2021 - 9:18 am EST


May 18, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — Well over 100 American universities mandate students receive coronavirus vaccines to attend. Employers are saying the unvaccinated will be fired or simply not hired. And in some circles it’s now commonplace not to ask people whether they’re vaccinated, but just which vaccine they’ve taken, with the assumption being all normal and sane people take this injection, or will take it the first chance they get.

What is the most prudent way to respond? What are Americans’ rights in these situations?

First, a very obvious disclaimer: Nothing in this article is intended to be or should be taken as legal or medical advice. It’s merely a compilation of publicly available information and resources with some of my own opinion sprinkled in.
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As Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., nephew of former President John F. Kennedy, wrote in a recent letter to Rutgers University about its vaccine mandate, “no court has ever upheld a mandate for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) vaccine, which all COVID vaccines are at present.”

He continued:

In fact, a federal court has held that EUA vaccines cannot be mandated to soldiers in the U.S. military, who enjoy far fewer rights than civilians, Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld … That court [remarkably] held “… the United States cannot demand that members of the armed forces also serve as guinea pigs for experimental drugs.” Id. at 135.

Federal law 21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) requires that the person to whom an EUA vaccine is administered be advised, “of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.” The reason for the right of refusal stems from the fact that EUA products are by definition experimental. Under the Nuremberg Code, no one may be coerced to participate in a medical experiment. Consent of the individual is “absolutely essential.” The liability for forced participation in a medical experiment, not to mention injury from such coerced medical intervention, may be incalculable.

That, and a recent guidance from the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health warning (see the employment section below) that employers who mandate their employees receive coronavirus vaccines may be liable if the employee suffers a vaccine injury, haven’t stopped American companies from mandating that workers receive the shots — or simply declaring that they’ll only hire already vaccinated people. Neither has it stopped universities from pushing these injections on their students.

State law matters: For a number of the below scenarios, you will have much recourse if you live in a state like Florida, rather than New York or California.
A stranger, friend, or family member asks if you’ve received a coronavirus vaccine.

There are a number of ways to navigate this one. The simplest is six words: “I don’t disclose my vaccine status.” Depending on how comfortable you are sharing your “unvaccinated” status, you could also explain your reasons for not taking the vaccine (allergies, ethical concerns about the use of aborted babies in various stages of vaccine development, immunity from having already been infected with the virus, unwillingness to receive a medical treatment for which the manufacturer is not liable, concerns about the vaccine’s impacts on fertility, unwillingness to take a vaccine that’s not received full approval from the FDA).

You also have the option of responding with an equally personal medical question.
Your employer is trying to force you to take the vaccine.

Read this article, and then this one, and then this one. Although there is precedent for employers forcing employees to take certain vaccines (for example, hospitals mandating flu shots), it’s a grey area with coronavirus vaccines because they’re experimental and don’t have regular FDA approval (yet). It seems (and again, this is my perspective as a laywoman — a lowly journalist, not a lawyer) that if (when?) the FDA gives full approval, you’ll have fewer rights.

The federal government’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration recently issued guidance that employers who mandate their employees receive the vaccines may be liable if the employee suffers a vaccine injury. This is huge because not even vaccine manufacturers are liable, thanks to a little-known 1986 law.

READ: Ohio county prosecutor fires employee for refusing experimental vaccine, pressures others to take shots

Click here and read the very short section titled “Employment.”

Give this form (provided by America’s Frontline Doctors) to your employer and ask that it be filled out and returned to you. (The form is also available here.) Go to this link and click “vaccine public letter.” Edit the parts in red and deliver it to your employer.

America’s Frontline Doctors has a form through which you can contact them if you are looking for an attorney in your state to help if your employer is attempting to force you to take the vaccine.

Your employer forcing you to take the vaccine may be illegal if you’re in Florida.
Your university is trying to force you to take the vaccine.

Read this article. Give this form (provided by America’s Frontline Doctors) to your school and ask that it be filled out and returned to you. (That form is also available here.) Go to this link and click “vaccine public letter.” Edit the parts in red and deliver it to your university by certified mail.

Do not let this form and this letter get lost in bureaucracy. Keep records of everything — conversations (learn about if it’s legal to record someone without his knowledge in your state here), emails, signatures from FedEx or the postal service indicating your letter was received. Demand an answer.

America’s Frontline Doctors has a form through which you can contact them if you are looking for an attorney in your state to help if your university is attempting to force you to take the vaccine.

A sample Catholic religious exemption letter can be found via the Children of God for Life website here.

If you are employed by your university (for example, as a Resident Advisor), see the above section about employment. However, most university jobs that are typically available to students are for enrolled students, making this a bit of a Catch-22.

If your school is in Florida, you’re in luck. A new law signed by Gov. DeSantis bans schools from requiring the coronavirus vaccine.

“Neither government, nor private businesses, will be able to condition your participation in everyday life on producing private health information,” DeSantis tweeted upon signing the law.
Your child’s school is mandating coronavirus vaccination as a condition of enrollment.

The coronavirus vaccines are now FDA-authorized — but not fully approved — under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for kids aged 12 and up.

Just like when it comes to employment, it seems likely that it’ll be easier to skip, avoid, or not have to worry about the coronavirus vaccine for school enrollment while the COVID-19 vaccines are still considered experimental under the law.

As Children of God for Life explains:

All 50 states allow medical exemptions [to vaccines required for school enrollment], 19 offer philosophical exemptions and only three states — California, West Virginia and Mississippi do not allow religious or philosophical exemptions for children attending school. View State laws governing exemptions.

It is important to understand that as the laws vary from State to State, some are actually unconstitutional as written. In most cases, State officials realize this and do not question a parent filing an exemption since they do not want litigation. However, other officials, such as NY State are notorious for grilling parents in an attempt to determine sincerity and whether or not the belief is actually religious in nature. Still others have attempted to redefine what a particular religion does or does not teach.

If you simply need help with filing a religious exemption you may contact us. Please be sure to let us know your religious denomination and State of residence and we will be glad to assist you. Or for information on Catholic Religious exemptions click here.

Go to this link and click “vaccine public letter.” Edit the parts in red and deliver it to your child’s school by certified mail. Keep records of everything — conversations (learn about if it’s legal to record someone without his knowledge in your state here), emails, signatures from FedEx or the postal service indicating your letter was received.

America’s Frontline Doctors has a form through which you can contact them if you are looking for an attorney in your state to help with a vaccine-related matter.

Unfortunately, you may just have to find a different school for your child. Or, maybe you need to band together with like-minded parents and start your own school, hybrid school, or homeschool co-op.

If your child’s school is in Florida, you’re in luck. A new law signed by Gov. DeSantis bans schools from requiring the coronavirus vaccine.
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“Neither government, nor private businesses, will be able to condition your participation in everyday life on producing private health information,” DeSantis tweeted upon signing the law.
You’re in the military.

LifeSite has received multiple tips from people in the military or their family members about vaccine coercion, such as service members not being allowed to take leave unless they’re vaccinated. Read this LifeSite interview with a Navy lieutenant about vaccine coercion in the military.

The military can’t mandate the coronavirus vaccine yet because it’s only available under EUA. Fully FDA-approved vaccines can be mandated for military members.
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As Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a liberal environmental lawyer and vaccine safety advocate, wrote recently:

… no court has ever upheld a mandate for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) vaccine, which all COVID vaccines are at present. In fact, a federal court has held that EUA vaccines cannot be mandated to soldiers in the U.S. military, who enjoy far fewer rights than civilians, Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (2003). That court [remarkably] held “… the United States cannot demand that members of the armed forces also serve as guinea pigs for experimental drugs.”

Here is what Children of God for Life says about military vaccine exemptions:

Military personnel in active duty may or may not be allowed an exemption depending on permission granted by the Commanding Officer. (Read the story of one US Coast Guard officer who fought and won.) However, military dependents are allowed religious exemptions. Click here to access the Military Dependent Children Vaccine waiver form.

Military matters are further complicated because active duty military personnel essentially give up some of their basic rights upon joining the armed forces. The military even has its own legal system through which members can be court-martialed. “The application of military law to members of the military reflects a recognition that such individuals are subject to different duties and expectations than civilian citizens,” Justia explains.
A business is demanding to know your vaccine status in order for you to be able to enter.

With the CDC’s surprise new guidance stating that vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks anymore, but unvaccinated people do (regardless of if they’ve had the virus or are unable or unwilling to take the vaccine), this doesn’t seem like a far-off possibility. LifeSiteNews has already received communication from people who will not be allowed on a previously booked cruise unless they’re vaccinated.

READ: Quebec to introduce QR code as ‘electronic proof’ for COVID vaccination

Some stores — Walmart, Costco, Trader Joe’s — have essentially said that they will assume patrons not wearing masks are vaccinated and won’t require proof. Costco says, “In Costco locations where the state or local jurisdiction does not have a mask mandate, we will allow members and guests who are fully vaccinated to enter Costco without a face mask or face shield. We will not require proof of vaccination, but we ask for members’ responsible and respectful cooperation with this revised policy. Face coverings will still be required in healthcare settings, including Pharmacy, Optical, Hearing Aid. Costco continues to recommend that all members and guests, especially those who are at higher risk, wear a mask or shield.”

Remember LifeSite and many others being mocked for suggesting when the CDC vaccine cards were introduced (by the Department of Defense, no less) that they would eventually be used for nefarious purposes, such as essentially turning the unvaccinated into second-class citizens?

Dr. Leana Wen, former president of abortion giant Planned Parenthood, wrote in a May 13 Washington Post editorial that the CDC’s announcement “that fully vaccinated people can essentially resume all aspects of pre-pandemic life” and ditch their masks contains a very big problem: “There is no concurrent requirement for proof of vaccination.”

“You have no way to be confident of trusting everyone else,” the pro-abortion doctor wrote. She asked, “[W]hat about the broad danger of enabling and encouraging people who never wanted to wear masks and refuse to be vaccinated? They could spread the virus among themselves, freed from inhibition.”

“By resorting to the honor code, the CDC is removing a critical incentive to vaccination. Many who were on the fence might have been motivated to get the shot because they could go back to activities they were missing, without a mask. Now, if no one is checking, and they can do everything anyway, why bother?”

Will we have a few weeks or months of this — people in stores with and without masks, and no one asking about anyone’s vaccine status — followed by the rollout of “vaccine passports,” or a bouncer at the door of a store to check people’s CDC-issued vaccine cards?

Will one freak case of an unmasked, unvaccinated person doing something stupid be used to justify an official “check” of vaccine status to enter a store? Have Americans been conditioned by a year of “temperature checks” and “health screenings” (conducted by non-medical personnel merely checking off boxes to make sure a patron can be granted entry)? I think this has largely conditioned us to accept vaccine passports, and ultimately (I hope I’m wrong here) those who can’t provide proof of vaccination will be a) told to order groceries online and not in the store, b) be forced to mask when no one else is, singling them out as “unclean” and unvaccinated, or c) not able to get groceries at all in some places.

How this is going to shake out will become more apparent in the coming months.
My parish/diocese says the vaccine is required to go to church/participate in certain ministries/volunteer.

This is already happening. (Read this, this, and this.)

You have two options: stay and fight, or find a new parish.

An important question: How exactly does your parish plan to enforce such a mandate? Will Father or a self-important usher be checking vaccine cards at the beginning of Mass? Will there be a registry of vaccinated parishioners, perhaps kept next to sacramental records? In order to go church or participate in certain “ministries” or activities, will parishioners need to submit a doctor’s form, like the ones parents have to submit for their kids to go to school? Or will aggressive ushers and/or the priest merely assume certain parishioners are vaccinated, or just ask them to tick a box on a meaningless, useless “parish ministry form”?

Will the rights of Catholics who conscientiously object to the vaccine because of its use of aborted baby cells in production or testing be respected? The Vatican itself says vaccination must be voluntary and everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.

So, how can you fight? Go to this link and click “vaccine public letter.” Edit the parts in red and deliver it to your parish priest and diocese by certified mail.

Do not let this letter get lost in bureaucracy. Keep records of everything — conversations (learn about if it’s legal to record someone without his knowledge in your state here), emails, signatures from FedEx or the postal service indicating your letter was received. Demand an answer.

Demand a meeting with your bishop; under the Code of Canon Law, you have this right. You also have the right under canon law, as a Catholic, to access the Sacraments. There is no canon law ban on sick or potentially sick or unvaccinated Catholics receiving the Sacraments (otherwise, how could the Last Rites be administered to the sick?). Perhaps remind your bishop and priest of their predecessors, who in the Middle Ages literally anointed people sick with the bubonic plague.

In the 1300s, “[t]he plague killed an estimated 25 million people, almost a third” of Europe’s population, National Geographic explains. For people under 70, COVID-19 remains less of a threat than influenza. We are not dealing with the Black Death here, and any priest who acts like we are needs a reality check and psychiatric help.

Keep in mind most letters sent to bishops are really just sent to bishops’ trash cans. You can try to find a (good, orthodox, conservative, anti-forced vaccines) canon lawyer to help you, and this is certainly a good thing to do. But if your bishop or priest violates canon law there is very little chance of justice, even with a good canon lawyer helping you, given the shambles in which the Church is right now.

Another way to fight: Send a tip to LifeSite, with as much documentation as possible. We’ll take note and potentially report on your case. However, because of the sheer volume of emails we receive everyday, we are unable to respond to each one.

Frankly, I wouldn’t want to go to a church run by Susan from the Parish Council or a vaccine-pushing priest. If a priest can’t get something as basic as not forcing his parishioners to take a dangerous experimental vaccine right, what else is he wrong about?

So option two — which can and in my opinion should also be pursued alongside option one — is look for a new parish. Usually the best ones are run by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, the Society of St. Pius X, or the Institute of Christ the King. There are also some small religious orders and monks whose priories or monasteries can be a real place of refuge for the faithful who don’t want to be part of a tyrannical government medical experiment. You might be able to find refuge at a diocesan Traditional Latin Mass, but don’t count on it.

You may have to drive a while. It may be inconvenient. But it will be worth it.
You may have to significantly change your life.

The Bible instructs us to be “wise as serpents, gentle as doves.” Hold your ground. Navigate these battles strategically and with a firm backbone. You may have to find a new job, a new university, new businesses to patronize. You may have to move to a free state.

And you may have to grapple with difficult moral questions. What is a father providing for his family to do if he must take the vaccine for work, and can’t easily change jobs or move?

At the end of the day, it’s deeply unethical and against the natural law to force anyone to take a medical treatment. It completely violates the principle of informed consent and goes against the Nuremberg Code, an international standard of ethics for medicine adopted after the horrors of Nazi Germany.

You may have to file a lawsuit, and if you do, you should do so remembering that the outcome of such a lawsuit could make a real difference in the fight against tyranny. It could make a hugely positive difference in other people’s lives, too. And yes, lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming. But if you have the means (or even just some of the means) to pursue one, maybe you should.

Your life may be significantly altered because of your refusal to subject yourself to the will of the public health cabal. But every time one person refuses to comply with unjust mandates, it’s easier for other people to do the same. A stand for freedom can have a ripple effect.

LifeSiteNews has produced an extensive COVID-19 vaccines resources page. View it here.
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[graciousb]

I know the world has gone upside down and democratic norms have been seemingly abandoned, but the Nuremberg Code mentioned above that the west has all subscribed to post WWII, banning forced medical experimentation, being totally IGNORED, that has me utterly puzzled. In the states anyway the current jabs aren't eligible for FDA approval until 2023....seriously how can this experiment be enforced? So many dying and maimed from the jabs already that the VAERS system is months backed up! I know of 3 personally myself (died within days of vacc). It's almost like we're in this whimsical world where today TPTB say ''x'' and tomorrow ''y'' and everyone just pretends it's all normal.

[Hermoor]

It's almost like we're in this whimsical world where today TPT should never B say ''x'' and tomorrow ''y'' and everyone just pretends it's all normal.

I just commented similarly on another thread.

"It's like watching a Monty Python sketch pratfalling in to the Twilight Zone."

And they're still buying it!

Day after day. For months and months.

What gives?

[Spellbound]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but The Red Cross has now stated that they will not accept any plasma / blood from donors who have been vaccinated as it wipes out antibodies for those recovering from Covid.

Bill, I have a 2 mb clip of this as part of a newscast that I could send you if that helps.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but The Red Cross has now stated that they will not accept any plasma / blood from donors who have been vaccinated as it wipes out antibodies for those recovering from Covid.

Thanks. So very interesting. Here's the clip:

https://projectavalon.net/Red_Cross_covid_bomb.mp4

https://projectavalon.net/Red_Cross_covid_bomb.mp4

[TomKat]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but The Red Cross has now stated that they will not accept any plasma / blood from donors who have been vaccinated as it wipes out antibodies for those recovering from Covid.


Maybe they can't sell vaccine-contaminated blood to the satanic elite.

Seriously though, it looks like there's a market for plasma of people who recovered from Covid, but not people who just got the vaccine. Nothing to do with contamination.

[pyrangello]

US Military Troops Are Being Deployed To Vaccinate Americans / pop up clinics / this was in dallas, numbers given in short interview were that 40% were shot already but I'm thinking that its hit a brick wall which is why the push here. https://greatgameindia.com/us-military-vaccine/
May 20, 2021

In Dallas County, uniformed US military troops went around vaccinating Americans in bars and restaurants.

As for the red cross blood, there's definitely something not right here , I'm thinking this is much more bigger than we know.

[Alan]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but The Red Cross has now stated that they will not accept any plasma / blood from donors who have been vaccinated as it wipes out antibodies for those recovering from Covid.

Hmmm, this seems to contradict this statement.

https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/what-you-need-to-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-donation.html

What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines and blood donation eligibility

Yes, Individuals May Donate Blood After COVID-19 Vaccination

[RunningDeer]

What's the newest reason to avoid the experimental shot? Some men’s inability to sustain an erection.

The show begins @ 5 minutes in. A few topics are how “they” are taking out the elderly with these shots and how they’re “sterilizing” the youth. Also covered are symptoms people are experiencing such as a 71 year old caller inquiring about her periods have started up again, and what are the best supplements to take.

The topic comes up every now and again about President Trump and the shots. Approximately 28 minutes in Dr. TenPenny explained that she asked Mike Lindell, who is a good friend with President Trump, if he ever had the conversation about these shots.

My summary doesn't do it justice. I'd add anyone that's been following closely has heard a lot of the info.


DR. SHERRI TENPENNY "IT'S NOT 'SHEDDING'; IT'S TRANSMISSION!” (1:03:00)

MyCycleStory.com (https://mycyclestory.com)
DrTenpenny.com (https://www.drtenpenny.com)

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[happyuk]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but The Red Cross has now stated that they will not accept any plasma / blood from donors who have been vaccinated as it wipes out antibodies for those recovering from Covid.

Hmmm, this seems to contradict this statement.

https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/what-you-need-to-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-donation.html

What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines and blood donation eligibility

Yes, Individuals May Donate Blood After COVID-19 Vaccination

If the Red Cross are accepting blood from those who have received these jabs, then perhaps they shouldn't be.

Otherwise are they saying that the experimental and nonapproved status of these jabs is of no concern to them?

[Alan]

OK, so I did some more Google searches and listened to the video 2 more times.

The video says nothing about donating blood, it's about donating "convalescent plasma". This is plasma from someone infected with COVID-19 which has been used in some cases to treat others with COVID-19.

On a somewhat separate note, I have never received donated blood, and hope to never be in that situation. If I ever was, however, I would hate to think that I might receive blood from someone who has had the vaccine.

[TomKat]

Make your own CDC vaccine card:

https://begunpost.net/blank-covid-vaccine-card-how-to-download-and-complete/

Maybe someone could completely fill one out for John Doe and keep it on the Avalon server?

[TomKat]

Fox News story on vaccine coercion and possible danger of the vaccine:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/2oAudPVBwQSw (https://www.bitchute.com/video/2oAudPVBwQSw/)

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[Old Student]

Hate to break it to you, but, as most people would expect:
https://www.ic3.gov/Media/Y2021/PSA210330

[Hermoor]

Richie Allen hates to break it to us too, but he's right on target here.

http://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-05-24T11_28_33-07_00

The only thing that will get concerned people out of this ghastly situation is mass peaceful civil non-compliance from our home streets up to community levels the world over.

Every single avenue of official redress is ultimately all part of the same big club which is running this horror show!

The police, lawyers and courts won't stop it. The politicians, administrators and bureaucrats won't stop it. The tv, radio and newspaper companies won't stop it. The heads of banking and big businesses won't stop it. The scientists, doctors and nurses won't stop it. Even Mickey Mouse, Superman and the Pope aren't going to stop it for you. They are all ultimately playing for the same big club which instigated it!

I understand why people turn to the dark side. Most regular folks are so damn stoopid they tend to deserve what they get.

But the dark side is now coming for virtually all of the children and babies too and I've got a serious beef with that.

I've always believed that the truest measure of any society is how they treat their children. What do current and future events say about us and the societies we live in?

[Old Student]

The police, lawyers and courts won't stop it. The politicians, administrators and bureaucrats won't stop it. The tv, radio and newspaper companies won't stop it. The heads of banking and big businesses won't stop it. The scientists, doctors and nurses won't stop it. Even Mickey Mouse, Superman and the Pope aren't going to stop it for you. They are all ultimately playing for the same big club which instigated it!

I understand why people turn to the dark side. Most regular folks are so damn stoopid they tend to deserve what they get.

But the dark side is now coming for virtually all of the children and babies too and I've got a serious beef with that.

But this isn't that. This is the society trying to stop a lot of death and ruined lives. The "freedom" to not engage in public health isn't a freedom that existed before people started playing doctor, playing lawyer, and playing scientist on the internet.

During the Black Plague, boats with cargo coming from foreign countries into the port of Venice, the major European destination point for them at the time, were told, not asked, to anchor outside the harbor for 40 days before docking and unloading cargo. It was a mitigation method. And the Doge didn't order, "oh, if you want to obey the quarantine, it would be nice, but we realize your boat your anchor," he just ordered them to quarantine (quarantine -- 40).

When we were children, the Salk and Sabin vaccines had just been invented. People didn't say, "Oh, maybe you should think about possibly getting your head around possibly getting your kid vaccinated." They lined us up in first grade and vaccinated us, right there, right in the public schools.

And that's why we don't have rotting corpses in the gutters of our streets from bubonic plague or lots of children (which we did have when I was young) with huge metal braces on their legs and people in iron lungs.

Society has a right to do what it needs to do to end the pandemic. That's called public health. Just like when I used to treat people sick and injured at public events, if a child had a headache, we put on masks and stayed six feet away and asked the child to touch their chin to their chest. We do what we do to keep meningitis from spreading before we treat the child.

That isn't because we hate children, and it isn't so we can make some pharmaceutical company rich. It's so we don't spread disease so we don't live in fear of dying of disease, so we don't have people living half a life because of crippling disease injuries.

Do pharmaceuticals get rich when that happens? Yes, if we are paying them enough per dose. Is that wrong? It's a discussion that can be had. But we are taking the vaccines to end the pandemic. So you, and I, and all the little children you care about don't die or disfigure. President Lincoln lost children as president to disease. It isn't the first thing you learn about him in the history books. Why? Because before vaccines it and antibiotics, it used to be just something that happened to everyone.

Is that what you want?

[wondering]

Old Student, This issue could be addressed by first asking "is this a vaccine"? The answer is no, it has clearly been stated that it does not create antibodies by the makers themselves, which, in the past, has been part of the basic underlying definition of what a vaccine is. It may do many things which are yet to be determined, but not create antibodies which give protection from COVID. Therefore it cannot be defended in the same way that traditional vaccines have been defended. In fact, it is to be avoided in children,at least for the time being, because we do not want to disfigure or kill children.

[Old Student]

I think you should check your sources. It is a vaccine, the IP was filed as a vaccine, it was approved as a vaccine, and its intended use is as a vaccine. The disinformation floating around that the companies filed IP for these vaccines as genetic therapies is not true. They do indeed cause the body to create antibodies against Covid.

Very well, actually, they are more than 90% effective, and are actually quite a bit safer than either the Sabin vaccine for polio or the current state of the art tetanus shot.

[wondering]

I don't need to check my sources....I suspect our interpretations of truth vastly differ. Nothing more to be said on my part.

[Old Student]

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/US10702600.pdf

For instance.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I think you should check your sources. It is a vaccine, the IP was filed as a vaccine, it was approved as a vaccine, and its intended use is as a vaccine. The disinformation floating around that the companies filed IP for these vaccines as genetic therapies is not true. They do indeed cause the body to create antibodies against Covid.

Very well, actually, they are more than 90% effective, and are actually quite a bit safer than either the Sabin vaccine for polio or the current state of the art tetanus shot.

They have chosen to call it a vaccine, but that is rather duplicitous, seeing that it is a first and unprecedented delivery method of prevention, and differs from how vaccines have been traditionally known to the public. It seems to me that their use of the word "vaccine" may have been chosen precisely for that reason.

Also:
"People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet."
and
“In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.”
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84

Somehow, it seems that both the disease and the vaccine are having similar effects, especially now that the side effect reports are piling up. Most traditional vaccines do not cause the same drastic symptoms as the disease they supposedly prevent.

[Old Student]

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

Krammer pointed out that the researchers didn't link quantitative antibody measurements to protection against infection afforded by natural infection versus vaccines, a topic that should be a priority for future studies.

Krammer also noted that, "Establishment of antibody titres as a correlate of protection and defining a protective titre would be extremely important for public health considerations and for patient management," he wrote. "A correlate of protection and a protective threshold would also allow for the development of additional SARS-CoV-2 vaccines based on small immunogenicity-based phase 3 trials rather than large and costly field efficacy trials, which are becoming exceedingly difficult to perform."

The study you are citing had to jump through hoops to make the more limited conclusions about reinfection it made. By contrast, the vaccination trials did not, nor did the data on infections of previously uninfected and unvaccinated people. This is because the tests on the two groups to determine infection were considerably different, among other reasons why they used the proportional hazards frailty model for their analysis.

[Delight]

Society has a right to do what it needs to do to end the pandemic. That's called public health. Just like when I used to treat people sick and injured at public events, if a child had a headache, we put on masks and stayed six feet away and asked the child to touch their chin to their chest. We do what we do to keep meningitis from spreading before we treat the child.

I perceive an investment in belief in public health systems in posts from old Student. It is really hard to have been a part of this whole "medical model" and then be told (shown) it is INVERTING its mission so instead of protecting health, it's MANDATES are destroying the health of the public. You are old and I know you may be fixed in your thinking? However, the truth is still the truth independent of how you wish it to be. You may not watch this weekly delivery of FACT but it IS out there.

RISKY BUSINESS
Dr. Jim Meehan Guest Hosts!; Facebook Censorship Exposed; Lab Origin Now Mainstream; OSHA Turns a Blind Eye; The Importance of Absolute Risk; Dr. McCullough on Natural Immunity (https://thehighwire.com/watch/)

ON THE OTHER HAND, what if "Old Student" is one of those people being paid to Fight "disinformation". The INVERSION of this word's definition is "Disinformation is any information that may contradict the narrative being promoted". There are MILLIONS of dollars being paid to TROLLS who create "organic" opportunities such as joining a forum (a form of social media) and posting what one is told to be posting.

Social media is weaponized, public health is weaponized, MSM is weaponized, the GOVERNMENT is weaponized, SCIENCE and Medicine is weaponized.
The target is the future.

[Arcturian108]

I think you should check your sources. It is a vaccine, the IP was filed as a vaccine, it was approved as a vaccine, and its intended use is as a vaccine. The disinformation floating around that the companies filed IP for these vaccines as genetic therapies is not true. They do indeed cause the body to create antibodies against Covid.

Very well, actually, they are more than 90% effective, and are actually quite a bit safer than either the Sabin vaccine for polio or the current state of the art tetanus shot.

I personally know of three people who died as a direct result of getting the Covid jab. It appears to me that this 'vaccine' is not only not safe, but is downright dangerous. We may know more about the problems in the next two years, but I for one am completely avoiding those who are 'vaccinated' as they could be shedding the spike protein, which will likely kill them, and anyone close to them.

[Delight]

Only if you have a death wish, is the jab for you. Stephanie Seneff is a trust worthy scientist.

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[Old Student]

Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

[Sue (Ayt)]

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

Krammer pointed out that the researchers didn't link quantitative antibody measurements to protection against infection afforded by natural infection versus vaccines, a topic that should be a priority for future studies.
Agreed. It should.


Krammer also noted that, "Establishment of antibody titres as a correlate of protection and defining a protective titre would be extremely important for public health considerations and for patient management," he wrote.
Yes, I would agree it is extremely important to figure this out, too, prior to draconian measures being implemented with a potential for dire ramifications.


The study you are citing had to jump through hoops to make the more limited conclusions about reinfection it made. By contrast, the vaccination trials did not, nor did the data on infections of previously uninfected and unvaccinated people. This is because the tests on the two groups to determine infection were considerably different, among other reasons why they used the proportional hazards frailty model for their analysis.
Respectfully, I am not versed in the "proportional hazards frailty model" you speak of, Old Student. Perhaps you can expand on this?

Having read some of the vaccine efficacy studies put out by the pharma researchers, to me they appeared to be statistically juggled, too, due to some factors like length of study, samples studies (ages, conditions, etc.)




As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

At this point in time, do you also believe enough time, observation, and study of this dis-ease has been done to reach the conclusion that getting vaccinated will "put this disease in the past?" Do you also believe that this vaccine, as it stands now, has the power to end it? And do you believe this vaccine, at this point in its development, should be mandated? Could there not be something holistically important in natural immunity that is being missed, before man starts messing with the individual spike protein production in our systems?

“Man makes plans . . . and God laughs.”
― Michael Chabon

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

My brother died from the "vaccine". He would have been better off to get Covid, the virus with a 99% survival rate. You are wrong.

[Myristyl]

Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

Thank you for your post I found it interesting. For my part I am also able to examine the available evidence yet I have reached different conclusions to you. Here in the UK the lockdowns have been a disaster and will likely result in more devastation than if we kept calm and carried on. Having said that there is nothing quite like personal experience to inform ones opinion. We have seen our civil rights trashed and government overreach hitherto thought impossible.

Regarding the 'vaccines'. So far I know personally a fair number of people who have received it, most just one but some two. Some of these people are close to me and some are close relatives or friends of people I know yet do not know personally. Thus far I would say roughly 75% have experienced side effects. Most commonly these can be painful arms, legs(?!), headaches and feelings of general unease. More serious side effects have included:

One of my oldest friends had severe pain in his arms. Prescription painkillers prescribed.
My partners niece reported pain and stiffness in both arms and was worried because she could not raise her arms above shoulder height.
An older gentleman who collapsed upon his kitchen floor.
Constant nose bleed.
Painful and unusual periods.
All over intense body pain that lasted for three days
As above but with intense headaches described as 'the worst hangover imaginable'
Feeling as if one has contracted a flu. Bed rest required. (Our neighbour has had a few days off work immediately following the injection)
Two deaths within two weeks of taking the injection. One was early fifties and healthy. Apparently the death certificate reads covid.


For balance, I spoke to two people I know who are due their second shot in the next week or so who reported no side effects save feeling a 'little sore' at the injection site.

Obviously this can be dismissed as anecdotal and therefore invalid (which I understand completely), however it is enough to give me pause. Nobody will be injecting myself or my family while I remain able to stop them.

I find it incredible that we even have to debate the topic of forced medication in these circumstances. It leads me to one of two conclusions: Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.

Here in the UK there is an almost evangelical desire to inject as many people as possible. As many of us have predicted media propaganda is starting to focus on people who are exercising their right to choose, name calling with terms like 'unvaxxed', 'deniers' and 'anti-vaxxer'. Things are getting very dark, very dark indeed.

[Old Student]

Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.
At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.
At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

So does the vaccine. Again. My brother took the poison jab. We were speaking on the phone when he was struck down with a blood clot. He DIED. DEAD, not coming back gone. THAT is proof to me that the "vaccine" as you call it, is harmful. There are MANY documented accounts. I will not let anyone put this poison in my body. I have an immune system to protect me. You should be ashamed of yourself to promote this poison to anyone.

[onawah]

Vaccines have been causing more harm than good since their inception.
You can have no credible proof at all for your statements.
There are and always have been safe and effective, more natural remedies and ways to prevent viruses, etc. and this has been proven over and over again.
The COVID jabs are not vaccines in any case, they are a gene-altering "experiment" which are quite obviously part of a depopulation plan.
You can't have studied much of the evidence that other members have been laboriously recording here for years, including Bill Ryan, and still take that stance.
I can only conclude you are a shill for Big Pharma, whether consciously or not.



Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.
At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

[Rawhide68]

Personaly I have had 2 friends did that jab having problems


1. My frst friend Sue a nurse, after second jab , some 6 to 8 weks ago she went in to what was expected fever hard flu symtoms.
Last time she reached out to me was, " I have had these "shingles" bältros in Swedish

2. Another not so close friend of mine but quite recent Suzi.
I sent her a mess, she answered I'm still recovering from the Vaccine, I'll call you l8er

I take this too serious some times , but WTF

[Delight]

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity.

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.


Investigational Vaccination of Pregnant Women
by Dr. Peter McCullough | May 25, 2021Peter McCullough (https://americaoutloud.com/?powerpress_pinw=72276-podcast)

The USFDA as well as the vaccine manufacturers excluded pregnant women and those of childbearing potential who could not guarantee contraception from the registrational trials of the COVID-19 vaccine. This was done to protect the safety of the mother and the baby from the unknown effects of the investigational vaccine. Regulatory practice always calls for the exclusion of groups not studied from receiving new products when they are released to the public.

In a gigantic break from this safe and reasonable practice, with no proof of benefit or evidence of safety, the CDC recommends that pregnant women volunteer for the vaccine. It is known that COVID-19 is in general mild and self-limiting in pregnant women, does not cause fetal malformations, and when presenting with severe symptoms, can be treated with drug therapy including hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics, steroids, and aspirin.

The only vaccines allowed in pregnant women are biologically inactive: influenza, tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis. Thus, it is up to each woman to do her research on this very important decision in pregnancy or childbearing years. As of May 7, 2021, 275 miscarriages have been reported to the CDC in women who were needlessly vaccinated. Given the strict nature of reporting including penalties for false reports, it is estimated that only 1-10% of safety reports are logged by the CDC after vaccination.

Thus, at this time, American women have probably lost >2000 babies to the COVID-19 and that number will continue to rise until either the vaccines are pulled from the market or pregnant women are excluded. This week’s report has an excerpt from Dr. McCullough and Tucker Carlson on Tucker Carlson Today May 8, 2021, and expert opinions from Drs. Malthouse, Stricker, and Gilbert, giving caution about the untested vaccine in pregnant women.

There is no more urgent message from The McCullough Report, under no circumstances should a pregnant woman feel forced to comply with CDC recommendations on vaccination with the investigational COVID-19 vaccine that has no proven benefit or guarantee of safety for the mother or the fetus. Please do your own research and carefully discuss this with your doctor(s).

References:
– https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html
– https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

– McCullough PA, Alexander PE, Armstrong R, Arvinte C, Bain AF, Bartlett RP, Berkowitz RL, Berry AC, Borody TJ, Brewer JH, Brufsky AM, Clarke T, Derwand R, Eck A, Eck J, Eisner RA, Fareed GC, Farella A, Fonseca SNS, Geyer CE Jr, Gonnering RS, Graves KE, Gross KBV, Hazan S, Held KS, Hight HT, Immanuel S, Jacobs MM, Ladapo JA, Lee LH, Littell J, Lozano I, Mangat HS, Marble B, McKinnon JE, Merritt LD, Orient JM, Oskoui R, Pompan DC, Procter BC, Prodromos C, Rajter JC, Rajter JJ, Ram CVS, Rios SS, Risch HA, Robb MJA, Rutherford M, Scholz M, Singleton MM, Tumlin JA, Tyson BM, Urso RG, Victory K, Vliet EL, Wax CM, Wolkoff AG, Wooll V, Zelenko V. Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19). Rev Cardiovasc Med. 2020 Dec 30;21(4):517-530. doi: 10.31083/j.rcm.2020.04.264. PMID: 33387997.

[Hermoor]

My frst friend Sue a nurse, after second jab , some 6 to 8 weks ago she went in to what was expected fever hard flu symtoms.
Last time she reached out to me was, " I have had these "shingles" bältros in Swedish

Thank you for telling us Rawhide.

This 'shingles' thing is very serious and gets no (or virtually no) coverage in the general media.

My uncle lives in a very busy and densely populated area of Glasgow. Shortly after his first jab he developed a severe case of shingles. It almost killed him, he is still recovering many months later.

The doctors and nurses told him it was the worst case of shingles they had ever seen.

They also told him they had been inundated by bad cases of shingles in the area. The case numbers were AN ALL TIME HIGH.

My uncle spoke with other sufferers in his neighbourhood. They all contracted shingles shortly after their first jab. All of them are now refusing to take a second jab.

Probably the most alarming point for me is very experienced doctors and nurses clearly stated shingles cases were at an all time high in the community and they were struggling to cope with an inundation of numbers.

Yet none of this inundation made the local news, let alone regional or national news.

I find the whole situation most unsettling.

[Old Student]

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.
Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

[EarthGirl]

So what are you here for Old Student ?

In a civil discussion then we would surely discuss openly the amount information that is freely available to anyone that would care to look further into the adverse reactions that folk post (from their own free admission) as to what is happening to them after the 'jab' ?

Or are they simply imagining it and assigning it to their own free imagination... ?




OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.
Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

[Bill Ryan]

I think that is permission to speak freely.

You have permission. Please speak to Karen. We're waiting.

[Delight]

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.
Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

OMG. What happens when people are indoctrinated into the cult of vaccination which has a core belief that immunity is NOW only possible through injected intervention. This cult is a PUPPET of some major malevolent force that hates health (when the fruits of its actions are seen). This cult has eviscerated common sense and historic practice. It apparenetly began when some people realized they could manufacture poisons and call them "life enhancing" and brainwash people to accept death and disability (for others hopefully) as a "necessary evil".

The lead up to the contemporary DANGER is an incremental inversion of expectations and intrusion into the personal freedom to make decisions. Now the choice is taken AWAY to prefer NATURAL immunity and prophylaxis like nutrition, vitamin supplementation, fresh air, exercise and EMOTIONAL support to protect and enhance health.

This first step then backed up by well tolerated "allopathic medicines" like Ivermectin and hydro chloroquine. There has been deliberrate sabotage of these measures JUST so an emergency use authorization would be justified. This is criminal. People have been brain washed to ignore any contradiction to the nonsense narrative and "take the jab". The same People are now taking genocidal next step to demonize those who decline.

I fear YOU, not the virus. I fear all the people who believe that it is not enough for YOU to choose a vaccine. YOU apparently believe I AM REQUIRED to do the same. It does not matter that it is illogical EXPERIMENTAL, FREE of ALL LIABILITY to the WHOLE DELVERY SYSTEM. It does not matter if I am left dead or permanently disabled, pressed under the weight of HUGE medical bills. It does not matter that there is major censorship and constant change in definition to buttress the LIE about covid's lethality and morbidity.

IMO you are a mind controlled Manchurian Candidate. You have bought every detail of a plan which has been detailed in MANY documents... civilization MUST be reset NOW. Reset includes population reduction.

If there were ZERO mandates and we could all just say no then I would feel sad when people took the jab and suffered but this is NOT the case. The carrot and stick coercion is of a scale never witnessed before. People who have an investment in the narrative think there is grounds for every measure that might be applied. If people die then the ends justify the means.

HOWEVER there is information on this forum collected over 18 months that Proves the jab as a means does not justify the ends of health and IN FACT for many many many is a KILL SHOT. By saying everyone SHOULD be vaccinated to satisfy "herd immunity" is absurd. Natural herd immunity is happening already. If forced to take the jab for the "good of all", despite harm, that means "murder is just an unintended consequence". It is the "price of risky business" that is MORE important than individual freedom, life, happiness.

This being the implication....
You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

All those who push the vaccine are culpable.

[lunaflare]

Old Student, you are in the same profession (public health) as my brother who is a medical doctor. He uses the vernacular..vaccine...good...masks...good...do it for herd immunity...blah blah. He works for the government and has been indoctrinated for many years to believe in Big Pharma, BIG time. It is financially rewarding for him too. He feels he is leading great change. Ego booster. Hey, look to me for salvation!

My father died four days ago.
He was in a nursing home and close to 90. All residents received the "vaxx". He died from respiratory failure weeks later. Yes, yes we can all assume that death in a nursing home is the end game. No doubt in my mind that this injection was the accelerator. I am not privy to the details; this would only further alienate me and I see little point to do so at this point.
I am not grieving his death from this plane; nursing homes are depressing places. He was not comfortable and once was an active man --physically and intellectually. But I feel deep grief just the same. There is no way to prepare for the death of a parent.

Nature has been a great salve for me.
This is where I can be prayerful and take time to reflect and find healing. I cannot share these reflections with my family as our outlook is so fundamentally different. An alternate viewpoint is shot down and judged harshly. They accept whole heartedly the main narrative. I offer my views but it only incites anger. I have sent links in a way that is not dogmatic but hey....have you looked at this?

No formal funeral as the city is in lockdown. Masks and a five mile radius are the decree.
I am thankful to live in another State. The "herd" mentality is astonishing. Why do people, who have been vaccinated, have to socially isolate? And wear a mask?

I find the sharp intellect of Dr Dolores Cahill informative. She is an immunologist and biologist. There are many clips available for viewing. She is an integral part of The World Doctors Alliance which speaks to the dangers of what you are advocating
Murderer perhaps is a strong word but it is not so untrue, is it?
The phrase "conspiracy propagator" directed at a poster here is not truly appropriate, either. There is enough data now to show that the experimental gene alterator causes severe side effects that can result in death.

[Sue (Ayt)]

At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.
There is some question on the accuracy of that number.



One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.


The spike protein attacks the ACE sites, I believe it was stated in the SALK studies, even sans the virus. Plus - there have been reports appearing of the same "long haul" effects for some folks after vaccination.



I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.


Old Student, I don't understand why you don't see the complications that you had following the vaccine as being a result of the vaccine? Apnea is a breathlessness, shortness of breath... Isn't that a common "spike protein" reaction whether from covid itself, or the vaccine? (I may have this wrong.)



Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

I don't believe there is a vaccine for gonorrhea nor for malaria. Treatments go a long way in tackling disease, too. That research seems to be sadly lacking or deliberately squeelched with this disease. Why do you suppose that is happening?
Also - I have read nothing that guarantees herd immunity with this new mRNA vaccine for this disease yet. Much wishful thinking, planted by tptb in the minds of the public to make people assume this is the case, but still wishful thinking.

[pyrangello]

Is Ivermectin The New Penicillin? / https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-new-penicillin You can get this in a script in a pill form.

Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug placed the same radioactive category as Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the treatment of COVID-19, has reemerged as a promising treatment in the battle to extinguish the pandemic.

New York Times best-selling author Michael Capuzzo has called it the "drug that cracked Covid," writing that there are “hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of people around the world, from Uttar Pradesh in India to Peru to Brazil, who are living and not dying.”

Doctors in India are big fans.

To that end Dr. Justus R. Hope, MD asks in The Desert Review: Is Ivermectin the new Penicillin?

[Gwin Ru]

200 Indian Villagers Jump Into Saryu River To Avoid Forceful COVID-19 Vaccination (https://greatgameindia.com/200-villagers-jump-river-vaccine/)

GREATGAMEINDIA
May 24, 2021

When the Health Department team arrived at the Sisoda village in Uttar Pradesh to vaccinate them, the villagers ran to the shore. When the team surrounded them at the shore almost 200 villagers jumped into the river Saryu to escape forceful COVID-19 vaccination (https://greatgameindia.com/200-villagers-jump-river-vaccine/).


https://i0.wp.com/greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/200IndianVillagersJumpIntoSaryuRiverToAvoidMandatoryVaccination.jpg?resize=696%2C392&ssl=1
Sisauda is a village with a population of 1500 people located in the Terai, 70 km from the district headquarters of Barabanki.


There is so much awareness about the adverse events from vaccine and post-vaccination deaths in this village that when the Health Department team arrived here (https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/villagers-jump-into-river-to-avoid-covid-19-vaccination-in-uttar-pradesh-989075.html) for vaccination, about 200 villagers ran away and reached the shore of river Saryu.

When the Health Department team got information that the villagers were out of the village towards the river, they went to convince them.

Seeing the team coming towards them, the villagers could not find a way to escape and jumped into the Saryu river to avoid getting vaccinated forcefully.

Seeing the villagers leap into the river, the Health Department team requested the villagers to come out but the villagers were not ready to move out.

Later, Ramnagar SDM Rajiv Shukla and Nodal Officer Rahul Tripathi reached the spot and told the villagers that would not be vaccinated, only after which they came out of the river.

Regional Indian media is full of such incidents. There is a very high level of vaccine hesitancy mostly in rural India.

There are also cases where the Vaccination Team is not even allowed to enter the village. On the other hand in many villages the Health Team members were beaten up with sticks and stones.

In a village in Gujarat, the entire vaccination drive had to be stopped after the villagers demanded that the government take responsibility if anything happens to them after being vaccinated.

The Indian government advertises its policy to contain COVID-19 as the world’s largest vaccination drive. However, it keeps the data on adverse events and deaths after vaccination a top secret. Moreover, there is no online registry to report post-vaccination deaths or adverse effects (https://greatgameindia.com/no-vaccine-adverse-effects-india/) in India.

Meanwhile, a former member of the National Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation has filed a petition in the Supreme Court of India to make public the clinical trials data and post vaccination adverse events data (https://greatgameindia.com/petition-mandatory-vaccination-india/) which is being kept secret by the government.

The petition states that in other countries, this type of observation has helped identify the occurrence of blood clots and strokes in vaccine recipients. (https://greatgameindia.com/2-step-process-vaccine-blood-clots/)

To counter media reports on vaccine hesitancy in India, the government has engaged Ogilvy, a PR, advertisement firm, to plant stories on the ‘perfect implementation’ of Ayushman Bharat scheme (https://greatgameindia.com/vaccine-propaganda-videos/).

Ogilvy was also hired by the current government for an image makeover to win 2014 election. Our long time readers would remember the origins of Ogilvy come from British Intelligence and specifically the psychological warfare techniques they employed during World War 2.

[Bill Ryan]

An excellent summary quote from Dr Lee Merritt, in the new 'Five Doctors' video here (https://rumble.com/vhqzsr-5-holistic-doctors-discuss-what-they-are-doing-to-protect-themselves-from-t.html).

When war breaks out, one of three things is going to happen:


You're going to become a warrior;
You're going to become a survivor;
But if you don't appreciate what's going on, you'll become a casualty.

[onawah]

Old Student, I strongly suggest that you do some reading, starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1430923&viewfull=1#post1430923
Believe me, there are plenty more similar threads that you would do well to investigate, but that would be as good a place to start as any.
...Though I suspect you have gone beyond the point of being capable of objectivity.
In any case, you will find plenty of articles in them all from experts much more educated than you who differ with your views.
You remind me of a doctor I had enlisted recently to perform the one function I require of doctors (whom I avoid like the plague--I prefer prevention and taking responsibility for my own health), which is an annual checkup required by Medicaid.
At our last "checkup" performed via telephone (go figure), when I shared my views on COVID and masks, he got hysterical and started shouting at me.
He asked me where I do my food shopping, because he wanted to be sure that he wasn't there the same time I was (although at that time, masks were still not mandated, so most of the customers were unmasked.)
Then he said I would have to find another doctor, and subsequently, I got a letter from his clinic informing me that all the doctors there would refuse to accept me as a patient anymore; I had been a patient there for about 7 years.
I had already refused an unnecessary colonoscopy and another very invasive, dangerous and expensive procedure that they had begun recommending as a matter of course to senior patients, regardless of whether they had any need for them or not.
When I asked him if the clinic was getting so desperate for funds that they had to resort to such measures, he replied huffily that he was just listing me as "noncompliant".
( On further research, I discovered that many clinics were indeed losing money and so had resorted to such means to stay financially afloat.)
I guess my views on COVID were the third strike at that clinic, so I was ruled "OUT".
So much for "do no harm".
He is in his middle years still, so I'd say age is no excuse for him.
But I don't think your years excuse you either from having such huge blinders on.



OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.
Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

[Delight]

This is great.


Texas Hospital Sued by 117 Employees For Requiring COVID Vaccine to Work
BY AILA SLISCO ON 5/28/21 (https://www.newsweek.com/texas-hospital-sued-117-employees-requiring-covid-vaccine-work-1596083)ATexas hospital is being sued by a group of more than 100 medical workers who allege that a requirement they receive COVID-19 vaccines forces them "to be human guinea pigs."

The overwhelming majority of employees at Houston Methodist have already been vaccinated against the virus, while the hospital has set a June 7 deadline for stragglers to get inoculated or risk losing their jobs.

Attorney Jared Woodfill says he is representing a group of 117 employees suing the hospital for "illegally requiring its employees to be injected with an experimental vaccine as a condition of employment," according to a Friday report from local ABC station KTRK.

"For the first time in the history of the United States, an employer is forcing an employee to participate in an experimental vaccine trial as a condition for continued employment," the lawsuit reportedly states.

The suit asserts that the hospital is violating the Nuremberg Code with the vaccine mandate, comparing medical workers being required to take widely-used vaccines approved for emergency use by the Food and Drug Administration to Jews and others suffering as victims of barbaric medical experiments in Nazi Germany.

Houston Methodist COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Lawsuit Anti-Vaxxers
A group of more than 100 Houston Methodist medical workers are suing the hospital over its requirement that employees receive COVID-19 vaccines. This undated file photo shows a cardboard sign reading "No COVID Vaccine" next to a syringe, medication vials and a medical glove.

Since 2009, Houston Methodist has required its employees to choose between being vaccinated against the flu or finding employment elsewhere. Nurse Jennifer Bridges, who has worked for the hospital for more than six years vowed to sue over the COVID-19 mandate last month.

"It's not fair to be forced to inject something that we're not comfortable with," Bridges told CBS affiliate KHOU in April. "I think our rights as human beings is more important than keeping that job. If I am blacklisted, whatever it takes. I will go find another form of employment."

[Gwin Ru]

I am bumping this long interview with Peter McCullough
[...]See this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1431042&viewfull=1#post1431042) (<---)

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1431042&viewfull=1#post1431042)

[Delight]

I am bumping this long interview with Peter McCullough. It is suitable as extensive education for physicians on how they have been co-opted by an enemy of humanity and should feel shame. The shame should lead to a resolve to become warriors in this fight.

Nurses have been co-opted also and are all entangled in evil dealings.


FULL INTERVIEW: Dr. Peter McCullough discusses the dangers of the novel COVID vaccine and it's roll out. This is a product that had minimal testing but is being pushed on the masses. Must we all get the shot for things to "go back to normal"? Are you going to get the shot?

FULL INTERVIEW: WORLD RENOWNED DOCTOR BLOWS LID OFF OF COVID (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html)

The very foundation of "medical care" and principles that guide treatment were upended with this covid illness. All of a sudden treatment was missing the first stage before hospitals are used...community doctors trying various allopathic drugs that address symptoms. It looks like physicians lost their clinical skill but actually we see that all the "organizations" that direct physicians coordinated. They all said to MDs DO NOT TRY TO TREAT YOUR PATIENTS. As time went on, physicians were threatened it they disagreed and treated their patients.

This supports my hypothesis that there is a war on. I think it is a war on life. Our health is being deliberately and systematically threatened. The ability to access remedy is threatened and not just natural approaches are being banned. Covid was a strike at the heart of the white coat "healers". IMO it is aimed at Destroying the very idea of traditional successful allopathy. Allopathy is all about managing symptoms. In fact IMO it HAS been successful often in last resort "rescue" medicine and surgery. Physicians are professionals who are supposed to be independent synthesizers of available options. This was an attack on the ability for physicians to carry out their mission. All the medical "organizers" IN CHARGE had the intention to discourage any treatment. Looks like conspiracy, a coordinated group colluding, for attack the populace.

[Old Student]

There is some question on the accuracy of that number.
Between what? Johns Hopkins has 594K and Worldometer has 603K. That's an error bar of about 1.6%.


The spike protein attacks the ACE sites, I believe it was stated in the SALK studies, even sans the virus. Plus - there have been reports appearing of the same "long haul" effects for some folks after vaccination.
The first half of this statement is true. As for "reports" of people with long haul effects after vaccinations, please produce the results. There have been 150 million recovered from Covid, give or take any stats from countries that cannot presently count well (India, for example), and the estimate is of 1/3 have long haul symptoms. Show me where there are anywhere near even 100 people with Covid long haul symptoms from the vaccines. This is pure smoke.


Old Student, I don't understand why you don't see the complications that you had following the vaccine as being a result of the vaccine? Apnea is a breathlessness, shortness of breath... Isn't that a common "spike protein" reaction whether from covid itself, or the vaccine? (I may have this wrong.)
Yup, you have this wrong. I'm not sure why anyone would even try to do that -- pretend to tell someone what they had instead of what they did have -- except for your need to try to prove harm from the vaccine.

I have a nervous system problem which causes the apnea. I maintain a very careful balance to avoid it, I have some exercises and meditations which stop it usually. I had a fever. That's a very common side effect after the second shot, and harmless (in my case no higher than probably 100 F) but it upset that balance. What should have been a routine side effect ended up taking days to undo. Apnea is not necessarily shortness of breath. Nor is shortness of breath necessarily apnea. Covid shortness of breath is caused by fluids and destruction of lung tissue, it is a pneumonia. I have a problem with "central" apnea -- apnea caused by the body just deciding not to bother breathing. Lungs perfectly clear, no congestion, no obstruction, just no breath without consciously making myself breathe.

Maybe this is the cause of all the scariness you see out there for the vaccine -- misinterpreting what people report as symptoms.


I don't believe there is a vaccine for gonorrhea nor for malaria. Treatments go a long way in tackling disease, too. That research seems to be sadly lacking or deliberately squeelched with this disease. Why do you suppose that is happening?
Bingo! No vaccine for either. But if the statements by some on this thread were true, they should have naturally reached herd immunity. They never will. I did mention that I do math? Here's an interesting mathematical fact: If I take a hypothetical population of whom 50% have a gene that gives immunity to an always fatal disease, and 50% do not, and introduce that disease, what's your guess over generations? (Answer: The balance varies but never shifts towards immunity, the disease becomes endemic and never leaves the population). Proven by Bob May, 1984.

Herd immunity happens because of vaccines. There's no herd immunity to malaria in a refugee camp, for instance, or measles. Unless there are vaccinations for the latter, the diseases will devastate the populations, and continue to do so. In camps, the four biggest killers are measles, malaria, diarrhea, and respiratory disease. Measles was (until upended by the anti-vaxers) gone from the U.S. in herd immunity -- because of the vaccine. Now it's slightly less than gone. Measles has been with us since the dawn of time, if you have had it you have permanent immunity, and yet it requires a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. It's the statistics. To get it to die out, you need to permanently bring the rate of transmission down to rt<1. You can't do that with natural infections, except for an unsuccessful virus. Malaria, gonorrhea, measles, Covid, these are very successful viruses.

Why isn't there a vaccine for malaria? Oh, I don't know, probably because it mutates too fast, and they needed to develop better vaccine creating techniques. There's one in trials right now. Oh, and the guy who drummed up the funding (you wondered why, the why is lack of money and attention -- e.g. malaria doesn't flourish in temperate climates where the money is) is, you know, the anti-vaxer's bogeyman -- Bill Gates.


Also - I have read nothing that guarantees herd immunity with this new mRNA vaccine for this disease yet. Much wishful thinking, planted by tptb in the minds of the public to make people assume this is the case, but still wishful thinking.

Whether or not the vaccine is mRNA has no bearing on herd immunity. The mRNA vaccines are about 90% effective at both prevention and transmission. We've had herd immunity to diseases with much less efficacious vaccines before. The problem is getting enough of the herd immunized. And that may not happen if enough idiots keep passing around "censored" stuff by people like Mercola. Did you know that the "censoring" being done is being done by the FDA? The same organization that all sorts of people say they won't take the vaccine until it fully approves it? The FDA issues him a cease and desist when he goes beyond what he's legally allowed to claim and he takes it down. And somebody else digs it out of cache, puts it on a non-US server and then the "community" circulates it as the rare secret censored truth. Don't they?

You people rant against big Pharma and all the profit they make talking people into taking drugs they don't need. Mercola makes about $2.9 million/month talking people into taking drugs he produces from soup to nuts. He isn't going to tell you to take something complicated like a monoclonal antibody for Covid, he sells vitamins and supplements. So miraculously, one of his vitamins becomes the cure-all for keeping people from getting Covid (he claimed such about Vitamin D). And when he pushes that stuff beyond a certain point, which he always does, the FDA tells him he's out over his Chiropractor skiis, and he politely takes it down knowing that thousands of "followers" will resurrect it and start passing it around and cha-ching he pulls in the next month's $2.9Mil.

[Delight]

The Spike protein gets into the blood, circulates post jab and accumulates in tissues and organs......


Alex talks with Dr. Byram Bridle, an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph about new peer-reviewed studies that suggests there may be terrifying reasons side effects such as heart inflammation, VITT, and other serious issues may occur in those who have been vaccinated.


New peer reviewed study on COVID-19 vaccines suggests why heart inflammation, blood clots and other dangerous side effects occur (https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge#description)


New Pfizer study: Four fifths of all vaccinated children aged 12 and over complain of side effects


Published: May 26, 2021 (https://freewestmedia.com/2021/05/26/new-pfizer-study-four-fifths-of-all-vaccinated-children-aged-12-and-over-complain-of-side-effects/)

Pfizer/BioNTech published a study on the safety and use of their vaccine last Wednesday. It refers to the current status of the vaccination studies in the context of emergency approval. Some 78,9 percent of the vaccinated children developed some form of side effect.

The pharmaceutical giant released a 37-page “fact sheet” of its product on 19 May on security and application republished by Report24. It refers to the current status of vaccination studies in the context of the emergency approval EUA (Emergency Use Authorization).

The US health authority CDC has confirmed that children and adolescents develop Covid-19 in an extremely mild manner, if at all. Also, children and adolescents from the age of 12 cannot make the decision about an injection alone. Despite this, children are being targeted. The study showed that up to 80 percent of children develop side effects that can lead to severe trauma.

The new “factsheet” showed that the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccination was tested on 1097 children and adolescents from 12 to 15 years of age. At least 866 out of 1097 children developed some form of unpleasant side effect. In 466 the side effects were described as “mild”, in 393 they were “moderate” and in 7 they were described as “severe”.

The study was set up as a double-blind study, one in which neither the participants nor the experimenters know who is receiving a particular treatment. In addition to the 1127 children and adolescents injected with the first dose and 1097 with the second dose, 1127 and 1078 were injected with a saline solution as a placebo. The differences were remarkable: of the children vaccinated with the real vaccine, over five times as many complained of side effects within the first seven days.

In detail these were:

First vaccination
Fever over 38 degrees C (114)
Fatigue (677)
Headache (623)
Shivering (311)
Vomiting (31)
Diarrhea (90)
Muscle pain (272)
Joint pain (109)

Second vaccination
Fever over 38 degrees C (215)
Fatigue (726)
Headache (708)
Shivering (455)
Vomiting (29)
Diarrhea (65)
Muscle pain (355)
Joint pain (173)

Potentially fatal appendicitis is one of the potentially serious side effects that were seen more frequently in those injected with the product than in the comparison group.

The number of short-term serious side effects is given by Pfizer/BioNTech as 0,4 to 0,8 percent of those injected. Over the long term, these may increase. There are currently around 82 million people between the ages of 0 and 19 in the US. If all of these children and adolescents were to be vaccinated, between 330 000 to 660 000 recipients could be expected to have immediate severe side effects.

Nevertheless, the system media and health authorities are making children and their parents believe that they urgently need to be vaccinated with the experimental mRNA products.

[jaybee]

The mRNA vaccines are about 90% effective at both prevention and transmission.

This cannot be stated as (long term) fact because there are no long term studies...

Also let's not forget that re SARS-CoV-2 the death toll is exaggerated...
The PCR test case data can be manipulated to show anything statistically...
The small % of cases that lead to complications and death (mainly from the elderly and those with other underlying conditions) could have been drastically reduced with early intervention with drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine -

In a nut shell...

The virus is not bad enough to warrant the draconian measures applied and the 'vaccination' of the world's population with an experimental injection...

so something else is going on here...

[mountain_jim]

As posted in memes thread by rgray222

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/192238071_981275699278211_2466284183714418315_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=wT3rIYSfWI8AX_aJIWh&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=a2936ad32a465f904bd621f691d55d7c&oe=60D94A05

[Tintin]

Posting this here as a reminder of what "herd immunity" actually is. It appears there's been some confusion in some quarters :)

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"The World Health Organization, for reasons unknown, has suddenly [November 2020] changed its definition of a core conception of immunology: herd immunity. Its discovery was one of the major achievements of 20th century science, gradually emerging in the 1920s and then becoming ever more refined throughout the 20th century.

Herd immunity is a fascinating observation that you can trace to biological reality or statistical probability theory, whichever you prefer. (It is certainly not a “strategy” so ignore any media source that describes it that way.) Herd immunity speaks directly, and with explanatory power, to the empirical observation that respiratory viruses are either widespread and mostly mild (common cold) or very severe and short-lived (SARS-CoV-1).

Why is this? The reason is that when a virus kills its host – that is, when a virus overtaxes the body’s ability to integrate it, its host dies and so the virus does not spread to others. The more this occurs, the less it spreads. If the virus doesn’t kill its host, it can hop to others through all the usual means. When you get a virus and fight it off, your immune system encodes that information in a way that builds immunity to it. When it happens to enough people (and each case is different so we can’t put a clear number on it, especially given so many cross immunities) the virus loses its pandemic quality and becomes endemic, which is to say predictable and manageable. Each new generation incorporates that information through more exposure.

This is what one would call Virology/Immunology 101. It’s what you read in every textbook. It’s been taught in 9th grade cell biology for probably 80 years. Observing the operations of this evolutionary phenomenon is pretty wonderful because it increases one’s respect for the way in which human biology has adapted to the presence of pathogens without absolutely freaking out.

And the discovery of this fascinating dynamic in cell biology is a major reason why public health became so smart in the 20th century. We kept calm. We managed viruses with medical professionals: doctor/patient relationships. We avoided the Medieval tendency to run around with hair on fire but rather used rationality and intelligence."

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Here's the WHO definition from June 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201105013101/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology


Here's the WHO definition - the change in definition - from at least November 13 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

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More from the article, here:



"In effect, this change at WHO ignores and even wipes out 100 years of medical advances in virology, immunology, and epidemiology. It is thoroughly unscientific – shilling for the vaccine industry in exactly the way the conspiracy theorists say that WHO has been doing since the beginning of this pandemic.

What’s even more strange is the claim that a vaccine protects people from a virus rather than exposing them to it. What’s amazing about this claim is that a vaccine works precisely by firing up the immune system through exposure. Why I had to type those words is truly beyond me. This has been known for centuries. There is simply no way for medical science completely to replace the human immune system. It can only game it via what used to be called inoculation."

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Article source, here (https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/)

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Vaccines and immunity appear to being conflated in the same way that weather and climate often are.

There's a bang-head-here sign around here somewhere; I'm going to go and get some more practice in.....................

[Sue (Ayt)]

There is some question on the accuracy of that number.
Between what? Johns Hopkins has 594K and Worldometer has 603K. That's an error bar of about 1.6%.

No. Between the mainstream stats you cite, and the methodology by which they were derived. Surely as a mathematician/statistician, you know that statistics can be skewed?



The spike protein attacks the ACE sites, I believe it was stated in the SALK studies, even sans the virus. Plus - there have been reports appearing of the same "long haul" effects for some folks after vaccination.
The first half of this statement is true. As for "reports" of people with long haul effects after vaccinations, please produce the results. There have been 150 million recovered from Covid, give or take any stats from countries that cannot presently count well (India, for example), and the estimate is of 1/3 have long haul symptoms. Show me where there are anywhere near even 100 people with Covid long haul symptoms from the vaccines. This is pure smoke.

Results of course, remain to be shown with time, but the “reports” from real people, are sprouting up daily, along with VAERS data. Many sufferers and their loved ones do not consider their situations to be “Pure Smoke”.


Old Student, I don't understand why you don't see the complications that you had following the vaccine as being a result of the vaccine? Apnea is a breathlessness, shortness of breath... Isn't that a common "spike protein" reaction whether from covid itself, or the vaccine? (I may have this wrong.)
Yup, you have this wrong. I'm not sure why anyone would even try to do that -- pretend to tell someone what they had instead of what they did have -- except for your need to try to prove harm from the vaccine.

I have a nervous system problem which causes the apnea. I maintain a very careful balance to avoid it, I have some exercises and meditations which stop it usually. I had a fever. That's a very common side effect after the second shot, and harmless (in my case no higher than probably 100 F) but it upset that balance. What should have been a routine side effect ended up taking days to undo. Apnea is not necessarily shortness of breath. Nor is shortness of breath necessarily apnea. Covid shortness of breath is caused by fluids and destruction of lung tissue, it is a pneumonia. I have a problem with "central" apnea -- apnea caused by the body just deciding not to bother breathing. Lungs perfectly clear, no congestion, no obstruction, just no breath without consciously making myself breathe.

Maybe this is the cause of all the scariness you see out there for the vaccine -- misinterpreting what people report as symptoms.

Which is why I noted I may have this wrong! I do not pretend to know your condition. I simply failed to see why you got the vax —> it caused a fever —> which flared your condition —> which took you days to undo, yet you maintain that the flare was NOT caused by the vax.
Hope your system is back in balance now.




I don't believe there is a vaccine for gonorrhea nor for malaria. Treatments go a long way in tackling disease, too. That research seems to be sadly lacking or deliberately squeelched with this disease. Why do you suppose that is happening?
Bingo! No vaccine for either. But if the statements by some on this thread were true, they should have naturally reached herd immunity. They never will. I did mention that I do math? Here's an interesting mathematical fact: If I take a hypothetical population of whom 50% have a gene that gives immunity to an always fatal disease, and 50% do not, and introduce that disease, what's your guess over generations? (Answer: The balance varies but never shifts towards immunity, the disease becomes endemic and never leaves the population). Proven by Bob May, 1984.

Herd immunity happens because of vaccines. There's no herd immunity to malaria in a refugee camp, for instance, or measles. Unless there are vaccinations for the latter, the diseases will devastate the populations, and continue to do so. In camps, the four biggest killers are measles, malaria, diarrhea, and respiratory disease. Measles was (until upended by the anti-vaxers) gone from the U.S. in herd immunity -- because of the vaccine. Now it's slightly less than gone. Measles has been with us since the dawn of time, if you have had it you have permanent immunity, and yet it requires a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. It's the statistics. To get it to die out, you need to permanently bring the rate of transmission down to rt<1. You can't do that with natural infections, except for an unsuccessful virus. Malaria, gonorrhea, measles, Covid, these are very successful viruses.

Why isn't there a vaccine for malaria? Oh, I don't know, probably because it mutates too fast, and they needed to develop better vaccine creating techniques. There's one in trials right now. Oh, and the guy who drummed up the funding (you wondered why, the why is lack of money and attention -- e.g. malaria doesn't flourish in temperate climates where the money is) is, you know, the anti-vaxer's bogeyman -- Bill Gates.

A huge cause of diseases running rampant are
1. improper nutrition
2. impoverished hygiene
3. crowded, unsanitary living conditions
4. lack of proper sewage disposal
5. impure drinking water
(and many others)

Many believe that diseases lose their high mortality rates once these things are properly tackled. Funding may be better spent in those other areas, with some types of diseases, than blindly chasing “herd immunity” for less lethal viruses which may fizzle out on their own. (like the 1918 pandemic apparently did.)

A quick scan of some work by Bob May (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/19256346_Vaccination_and_Herd_Immunity_to_Infectious_Diseases) who you cited left me unconvinced that he has "proven" anything about herd immunity, as he readily admits to a myriad of variables that can change with each specific disease, although he did appear to offer a valuable tool for calculation purposes. He also admits that the risks of vaccine damage can at times overtake the risks of the disease. (Interesting read, thank you.)

In the meantime, treatment approaches are crucial. (Antibiotics were a game changer!) Why are treatment approaches apparently being actively hushed?


Also - I have read nothing that guarantees herd immunity with this new mRNA vaccine for this disease yet. Much wishful thinking, planted by tptb in the minds of the public to make people assume this is the case, but still wishful thinking.

Whether or not the vaccine is mRNA has no bearing on herd immunity. The mRNA vaccines are about 90% effective at both prevention and transmission. We've had herd immunity to diseases with much less efficacious vaccines before. The problem is getting enough of the herd immunized. And that may not happen if enough idiots keep passing around "censored" stuff by people like Mercola. Did you know that the "censoring" being done is being done by the FDA? The same organization that all sorts of people say they won't take the vaccine until it fully approves it? The FDA issues him a cease and desist when he goes beyond what he's legally allowed to claim and he takes it down. And somebody else digs it out of cache, puts it on a non-US server and then the "community" circulates it as the rare secret censored truth. Don't they?

You people rant against big Pharma and all the profit they make talking people into taking drugs they don't need. Mercola makes about $2.9 million/month talking people into taking drugs he produces from soup to nuts. He isn't going to tell you to take something complicated like a monoclonal antibody for Covid, he sells vitamins and supplements. So miraculously, one of his vitamins becomes the cure-all for keeping people from getting Covid (he claimed such about Vitamin D). And when he pushes that stuff beyond a certain point, which he always does, the FDA tells him he's out over his Chiropractor skiis, and he politely takes it down knowing that thousands of "followers" will resurrect it and start passing it around and cha-ching he pulls in the next month's $2.9Mil.

I don't see that the efficacy rate can be fully known yet simply from the small and early trials, as this paper (http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf) puts out, sorry.

Following Mercola’s health advice has served me well, Old Student. (btw, I suspect I may be older than you) ;)
Censorship remains extremely troubling to me, as I respect the right to explore information that we choose, be it by "idiots", savants, or otherwise.

The medical system has attempted to talk me into drugs that I didn’t need, yes.
The medical system has also saved my husband’s life, and fixed my 2 broken bones, for which I am forever grateful!
The smallpox vaccine has served as a grand coup talking point for vaccines, yes, and it alone has been credited with full disease eradication, yes.

But I have learned to observe, research, and trust my own direct experience/evidence over the years, and also to examine each event/recommendation/person/challenge/etc. on its own individual merit.
(In other words, I am NOT a black or white, all or nothing, good or evil, thinker, despite your slotting me as such, ie “You People”)

I actually am quite pleased that my natural immune system has tackled measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox easily on its own. I believe that has ultimately made me stronger. Thus, I will continue to trust in my God-given immune system's ability to handle things in the case of this virus, at this time, unless I am given more evidence that logically would convince me to change my mind. I remain flexible and observant, which also serves me.
Thank you for this engaging discussion, and I have no problem with you reaching your own conclusions for your own personal decisions.
Sue (Ayt)

[Delight]

More coming to light everyday.

https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1398803725272043520

This leaked #Pfizer study from the EMA shows that the #vaccine particles are hugely sequestered into the ovaries. (https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1398803725272043520)

https://projectavalon.net/Dr_Ah_Kahn_Syed_tweet.gif
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2mMFAZUUAI1Ned?format=jpg

[Bill Ryan]

I think that is permission to speak freely.

You have permission. Please speak to Karen. We're waiting.We're still waiting.

[Old Student]

No. Between the mainstream stats you cite, and the methodology by which they were derived. Surely as a mathematician/statistician, you know that statistics can be skewed?
You allege it skewed, you show it skewed. Surely if you're facile with statistics enough to be trying to criticize my math, you know that? I don't provide proof of your criticisms of my numbers, you do. That's how it works. Show the bigger skew or drop the claim.

Results of course, remain to be shown with time, but the “reports” from real people, are sprouting up daily, along with VAERS data. Many sufferers and their loved ones do not consider their situations to be “Pure Smoke”.

So you're refuting what I said with "results remain to be shown with time"? No. Not scientific. Either show the results or drop the claim until you can. That's what the expression means. Making claims with no results or with a vague handwaving that there will be results on the Bobby Blue Bland schedule (Someday, Baby!) is smoke and mirrors, a.k.a. pure smoke.



Which is why I noted I may have this wrong! I do not pretend to know your condition. I simply failed to see why you got the vax —> it caused a fever —> which flared your condition —> which took you days to undo, yet you maintain that the flare was NOT caused by the vax.
Hope your system is back in balance now.

Right. Or maybe I didn't disclose every single detail, it being medical information, and it being my right not to. Or maybe I just forgot. I treated a guy for serious problems and took history on him twice, and a colleague took history once. It was only on the third person taking a history that he remembered to tell us that the reason he was in a wheelchair was he'd had a massive stroke. Or maybe a thousand other things.

Diagnosing people from afar like you're trying to do is beyond the scope of every medical license issued in the U.S., don't know about other places.

How I can say that is quite simple. Any other thing whatsoever that would cause a mild fever would have led to the same outcome. So the only thing attributable to the vaccine is that it caused a mild fever. What makes it so difficult for you is actually that you really want it to have been the vaccine. If people actually practiced medicine that way people would die.


A huge cause of diseases running rampant are
1. improper nutrition
2. impoverished hygiene
3. crowded, unsanitary living conditions
4. lack of proper sewage disposal
5. impure drinking water
(and many others)

Many believe that diseases lose their high mortality rates once these things are properly tackled. Funding may be better spent in those other areas, with some types of diseases, than blindly chasing “herd immunity” for less lethal viruses which may fizzle out on their own. (like the 1918 pandemic apparently did.)

In refugee camps, the reason for the mortality rates are that peoples' health is already stressed. They are, after all, refugee camps. But it makes no difference to the issue in question. If herd immunity were something that could be reached with no vaccines, then these diseases would not be around. But they are, and have been for millennia. What makes it different when there is a vaccine, is that the rate of transmission continues to stay too low for replacement even as the disease begins to die out. That's because people continue to acquire immunity to it without being infected. That can't happen without an artificial means of acquiring antibodies.

But you know your statistics, right? That's literally on page 10 or less of your average book on mathematical population or genetics. You bring the rate of successful transmission down low enough the disease dies out, its limiting outcome is population zero. If it's a natural system, once the incidence gets low, the number of immune in the population also begins to drop, and the disease merely becomes endemic.


A quick scan of some work by Bob May who you cited left me unconvinced that he has "proven" anything about herd immunity,

I cited quite a specific result, the result was as I described it, and I saw him present the paper in 1984 at the Chaos conference in Boston, Ma. Not too much for you to dispute there, sorry.


In the meantime, treatment approaches are crucial. (Antibiotics were a game changer!) Why are treatment approaches apparently being actively hushed?
They're not. The definitive treatment is monoclonal antibodies, it requires administration by transfusion which has to be done in the hospital, the view from 30,000 feet is that the Trump administration appeared to sort of keep these to themselves administering to themselves and their buddies and not generally making them available. They are available, they do have to be done in the hospital. There are no antibiotics for viruses, never have been.


I don't see that the efficacy rate can be fully known yet simply from the small and early trials, as this paper puts out, sorry.

Is this a joke? Of course there is evidence from more than small and early trials at this point. If there weren't, your friends on this thread wouldn't be acting like their in a discriminated minority for not getting vaccines. 40% or so of the American population has been vaccinated. So go for it. Look at the recidivism rate for people contracting the disease. It isn't zero, but it is pretty much as predicted, and that's about as large scale a test as you can possibly get. Citing small clinical trials when you have publicly registered outcomes is just either a joke or an obfuscation.


I actually am quite pleased that my natural immune system has tackled measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox easily on its own. I believe that has ultimately made me stronger. Thus, I will continue to trust in my God-given immune system's ability to handle things in the case of this virus,...

Then stay away from society, and visit a lawyer and get a DNR drawn up that we don't have to treat you when you get sick if you do. After all, you can make decisions about your own health, but it's a bit presumptuous of you to make them about the health of the EMS people who would take you to the hospital, all of the hospital staff that would treat you, and anybody else you infect because you pretended you have the "freedom" to decide that they should be at risk, without actually asking them.

[Delight]

I actually am quite pleased that my natural immune system has tackled measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox easily on its own. I believe that has ultimately made me stronger. Thus, I will continue to trust in my God-given immune system's ability to handle things in the case of this virus,...

Then stay away from society, and visit a lawyer and get a DNR drawn up that we don't have to treat you when you get sick if you do. After all, you can make decisions about your own health, but it's a bit presumptuous of you to make them about the health of the EMS people who would take you to the hospital, all of the hospital staff that would treat you, and anybody else you infect because you pretended you have the "freedom" to decide that they should be at risk, without actually asking them.

I was trained as an RN in 1976-1978. I was in an FNP program in 1986-1988 but ultimately only practiced about a year because of the major responsibility but no authority. The clap trap that this person believes about immunity is actually a germaphobe's paranoid ideation. I feel sorry for the person and horror at what he would do to others.

[iota]

ON THE OTHER HAND, what if "Old Student" is one of those people being paid to Fight "disinformation". The INVERSION of this word's definition is "Disinformation is any information that may contradict the narrative being promoted". There are MILLIONS of dollars being paid to TROLLS who create "organic" opportunities such as joining a forum (a form of social media) and posting what one is told to be posting.

Social media is weaponized, public health is weaponized, MSM is weaponized, the GOVERNMENT is weaponized, SCIENCE and Medicine is weaponized.
The target is the future.

this is what i have personally suspected from very first encounter.

now here is some interesting information:


The INVENTOR of the mRNA vaccine
was suspended for telling the truth about the vaccine.

Think about that for a minute...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2o-kCBVcAQ7sak?format=jpg

this was the LAST time the government told the WHOLE population to get vaccinated



fhiyML3zwkk

[iota]

Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

My brother died from the "vaccine". He would have been better off to get Covid, the virus with a 99% survival rate. You are wrong.

Oh my God!!

my dearest Karen!!'

i AM SO VERY, DEEPLY sorry for your loss!

may comfort and peace surround you in a bubble of grace and bring as much healing as is possible!

i will write you now ...
:heart:

i think this calls for a little sensitivity, consideration out of compassion and some respect OS

[helium]

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health. Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.


Helium wishes to apologize, sir, for the direction this dialogue has taken. This is not a typical Avalon discussion.

The use of the term 'vaccine' is in fact correct in terms of your (Old Student's) usage. I can't recall the virologist I was listening to the other day who admitted that the term should not really be used for the mRNA vax, but that in a very loose sense the vax interacts with the immune system in such a fashion that it's similar enough to a classic vaccine to be included in the family. However it is *painfully* obvious that the use of the term is evidence of targeted social engineering aimed towards controlling the population. We're talking about semantics. That is the reason that so many here dislike the terminology and reject it. Whether they correctly reject the term or not.

I have a science and engineering background in medical device engineering as well as in psychology. I relate well to your perspective as a public health worker and/or official. I would love to see a vaccine that would eradicate covid-19 the same way that polio was eradicated. What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.

There are a couple of elephants in the room. One is that if you were back in about March or April last year all you needed do is to follow MedCram for all of the science you require as a public health official to work with doctors to treat patients with inexpensive, safe, off-the-shelf medications and nutrient supplements. A vaccine may never be necessary if we have early treatment. Instead the drugs we needed were demonized and made illegal. And that does not stop - NAC has recently been taken away from the public by the FDA. It's been a safe nutritional supplement for a long time. Why require a prescription for it now?

The other elephant is obvious in the VAER's database. There is no precedent for the large numbers of serious adverse events associated with a new vaccine. If you might argue that the benefit of using this dangerous vaccine outweighs the risk, I can only point out the elephant above. We knew how to treat this virus last year and we were prevented from doing so by lawmakers and politicians. The real elephant in the room is that your precious experimental vaccine only gained it's experimental status by virtue of the fact that all of the current drugs that had proven to work were made inaccessible.

Look at the situation as we do. I for one have been following the covid thing before it had a name, before anyone outside of China knew it existed. I've watched every step of the way right up to the present. Early on I managed to purchase industrial grade N99 masks, FDA approved, that were rated for 12 hours use per day for 28 days. They used copper based elements to incapacitate viruses on contact. These masks were de-listed by the FDA a few days after I made my purchase. They cannot be sold in the US. Why ban the best mask on the market just prior to a pandemic?

I say that you just have to live this stuff to be able to wrap your head around the fact that the virus was released by someone on purpose and allowed to circulate. The vaccine is nothing but an extension of the operation. If you haven't lived through it to see the fake scientific papers in the world's most prestigious journals, or the mishandling of the very first known carrier of covid-19 in the US (I live near where he lives) then you've got some catching up to do. As far as public health agencies are concerned Washington State's has fouled it's reputation so badly that it should be gutted and rebuilt.

The Avalon forum is the one place where we can talk about these events and share information. Granted, some info shared via links in posts may not be the most informative. We tend to winnow the chaff. I never would have discovered that the virus was eventually going to arrive in the US earlier than most others if I weren't winnowing dark-web chaff. When it was obvious that I'd have to protect myself against the virus as well as from the stupidity of the CDC and our local public heath department my attention turned to the scientific literature. Others here on the forum have done that as well. We have to do our best to educate those who can't parse the scientific literature. That's part of our sharing.

We would all like to see our problems solved. The virus is the least of them. We all know that for the truth that it is.

It took a bio-weapon to bring about events that exposed the hands of those who bear us no good will whatsoever. They've revealed their cards, at least to some extent.

The success of a bio-weapon depends upon successfully controlling the antidote.

[Sue (Ayt)]

this was the LAST time the government told the WHOLE population to get vaccinated


fhiyML3zwkk


A little anecdote here...
Back then, I was a young office worker and I commuted downtown by bus daily. The fear techniques were being advertised all over about this new swine flu, and the need for all to be vaxxed. Early on, after work one day, at the bus stop they had an outdoor table, consent forms, and nurses with needles, and everyone was strongly encouraged to line up for the shot while waiting for the bus, or even passer-bys. (the shot was free.)

Like the trusting naive fool that I was back then, I signed the form and offered up my arm.

I have never forgotten that farce - OMG - lining people up at the bus stop! I was fine, NOTHING ever came of that great pandemic, but I am not happy wondering what fine brew they injected me with back then.

[onawah]

Polio was never eradicated, it was simply renamed.
As someone who received the contaminated SV40 polio vaccine and had a nervous breakdown at 7 years of age as a result, I can testify that one doesn't need to have a degree in anything to know when one is being poisoned.
And I won't apologize for being honest.

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.44/0gs.a0e.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/7QvdLc3YTd2wV1gic1gZ_polio-renamed.png-1.jpg


I have a science and engineering background in medical device engineering as well as in psychology. I relate well to your perspective as a public health worker and/or official. I would love to see a vaccine that would eradicate covid-19 the same way that polio was eradicated.

[helium]

Polio was never eradicated, it was simply renamed.
As someone who received the contaminated SV40 polio vaccine and had a nervous breakdown at 7 years of age as a result, I can testify that one doesn't need to have a degree in anything to know when one is being poisoned.
And I won't apologize for being honest.

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.44/0gs.a0e.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/7QvdLc3YTd2wV1gic1gZ_polio-renamed.png-1.jpg


I have a science and engineering background in medical device engineering as well as in psychology. I relate well to your perspective as a public health worker and/or official. I would love to see a vaccine that would eradicate covid-19 the same way that polio was eradicated.



Sigh. OK. I will apologize and admit that I hesitated over that particular analogy, knowing that it might sprout dissent. I gave it some thought and finally just went ahead and used it just to see how long it would take. My apology for playing games. I didn't 'spect such a huge red reply though.

[iota]

Sigh. OK. I will apologize and admit that I hesitated over that particular analogy, knowing that it might sprout dissent. I gave it some thought and finally just went ahead and used it just to see how long it would take. My apology for playing games. I didn't 'spect such a huge red reply though.

Helium

i don't know you yet, just have seen like two of your posts .. but in BOTH you were being completely authentic! and i just want to say i that is a characteristic i completely respect and appreciate in some one!

we are all human and not a single one of us is anywhere near perfection

i think your choice to follow the path of authenticity is a pretty awesome one though ...

again, haven't read much ... but two apologies??

kudos my friend! kudos!

only the strong are able to fess up to their mistakes!!

:flower:

[onawah]

I would avoid playing such "games" here, particularly when it involves a subject as sensitive as vaccines, if I were you, Helium.
I see you've been on the forum since 2020, but for some of us who have been here compiling the evidence about vaccines for a lot of years, the truth is not only abundant, but abundantly clear, even if all we could do at first was connect the dots.
That's no longer the case, as anyone can see by browsing through the long, long list of threads on vaccines in general, and COVID in particular, regarding how far we've come in terms of expert testimony.
But if you were trying to call me out (as someone who would certainly respond when it comes to the polio vaccine tragedy) you certainly succeeded. :sad:




Sigh. OK. I will apologize and admit that I hesitated over that particular analogy, knowing that it might sprout dissent. I gave it some thought and finally just went ahead and used it just to see how long it would take. My apology for playing games. I didn't 'spect such a huge red reply though.

[Delight]

To the extent that Natural Immunity has been canceled, this "Biggest Failure" will be declared misinformation.


CORONAVIRUSJohns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’ (https://summit.news/2021/05/26/johns-hopkins-prof-half-of-americans-have-natural-immunity-dismissing-it-is-biggest-failure-of-medical-leadership/)

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance”

A professor with the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has said that there is a general dismissal of the fact that more than half of all Americans have developed natural immunity to the coronavirus and that it constitutes “one of the biggest failures of our current medical leadership.”

Dr. Marty Makary made the comments during a recent interview, noting that “natural immunity works” and it is wrong to vilify those who don’t want the vaccine because they have already recovered from the virus.

Makary criticised “the most slow, reactionary, political CDC in American history” for not clearly communicating the scientific facts about natural immunity compared to the kind of immunity developed through vaccines.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” Makary emphasised.

“We are not seeing reinfections, and when they do happen, they’re rare. Their symptoms are mild or are asymptomatic,” the professor added.

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance,” he urged, adding “Live a normal life, unless you are unvaccinated and did not have the infection, in which case you need to be careful.”

“We’ve got to start respecting people who choose not to get the vaccine instead of demonizing them,” Makary further asserted.continue here (https://summit.news/2021/05/26/johns-hopkins-prof-half-of-americans-have-natural-immunity-dismissing-it-is-biggest-failure-of-medical-leadership/)

[helium]

Sigh. OK. I will apologize and admit that I hesitated over that particular analogy, knowing that it might sprout dissent. I gave it some thought and finally just went ahead and used it just to see how long it would take. My apology for playing games. I didn't 'spect such a huge red reply though.

Helium

i don't know you yet, just have seen like two of your posts .. but in BOTH you were being completely authentic! and i just want to say i that is a characteristic i completely respect and appreciate in some one!

we are all human and not a single one of us is anywhere near perfection

i think your choice to follow the path of authenticity is a pretty awesome one though ...

again, haven't read much ... but two apologies??

kudos my friend! kudos!

only the strong are able to fess up to their mistakes!!

:flower:


Mistakes? Not sure what you mean. I decided to try to apologize for the out of control accusations flying around Old Student's posts. I DECIDED to do that, knowing that most likely I'd fail and create even greater controversy. Same with sitting here wondering how long it would take for a response from someone calling me out on the polio vax thing. I DECIDED to use the widely accepted simplistic belief that Jonas Salk was a hero who eradicated polio as an example. Within the context that I used that fallacy I did manage to state what was necessary. I left a nice fat opening for Old Student to come back to me.

Far as I'm concerned there should be more games going on here. Genuine dialogue is too rare. How do you pull others into a deeper, more genuine dialogue that's hopefully based upon their experience and not on some David Icke thing or some iffy bitchute video? I don't know. But I'd certainly like to see more opinions shared in member's own words, crafted however they feel they need to craft those words to put a point across - while sharing something of their lives. Maybe we need to live up to the image that we like to project of how tolerant the Avalon forum is. Dialogue isn't about always being right.

Go here for an example of what mean:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110336-Covid19-the-coming-psycho-social-transition&p=1353168&viewfull=1#post1353168

Everyone's posts are easily searched out. One way to get to know other members is to search out their posts to become familiar with their style, their thoughts. I'm a devious bassterd - I do just that - whether I post anything during any particular year or not.

[iota]

[QUOTE=iota;1431383][QUOTE=helium;1431301]

Mistakes? Not sure what you mean. I decided to try to apologize for the out of control accusations flying around Old Student's posts. I DECIDED to do that, knowing that most likely I'd fail and create even greater controversy. Same with sitting here wondering how long it would take for a response from someone calling me out on the polio vax thing. I DECIDED to use the widely accepted simplistic belief that Jonas Salk was a hero who eradicated polio as an example. Within the context that I used that fallacy I did manage to state what was necessary. I left a nice fat opening for Old Student to come back to me.

Far as I'm concerned there should be more games going on here. Genuine dialogue is too rare. How do you pull others into a deeper, more genuine dialogue that's hopefully based upon their experience and not on some David Icke thing or some iffy bitchute video? I don't know. But I'd certainly like to see more opinions shared in member's own words, crafted however they feel they need to craft those words to put a point across - while sharing something of their lives. Maybe we need to live up to the image that we like to project of how tolerant the Avalon forum is. Dialogue isn't about always being right.

Go here for an example of what mean:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110336-Covid19-the-coming-psycho-social-transition&p=1353168&viewfull=1#post1353168

Everyone's posts are easily searched out. One way to get to know other members is to search out their posts to become familiar with their style, their thoughts. I'm a devious bassterd - I do just that - whether I post anything during any particular year or not.

then the mistake was mine in my assessment of you

i apologize

you can be certain i will not make that mistake again

thanks for clarifying you see us as nothing but pawns to "play", manipulate and antagonize

an honest to God self declared PROVOCATEUR ...

ok ..i have dealt with your kind often, even here ...

as stated, i won't make this mistake twice

not often Bill issues warnings btw

two of those who thanked you didn't quite grasp your stated intent to provoke and antagonize ...

[Bill Ryan]

I'm a devious bassterd - I do just that - whether I post anything during any particular year or not.Well, be careful!! :)

Avalon members have lost friends and family to the shots (they died, and in some cases what happened was really awful) and have also reported many injuries. Even in this tiny community, the numbers are telling a story. So sensitivities on the forum are running quite high, with good reason.

That's why there's so much anger against Old Student, who has yet to reply to Karen (Geophyz), whose brother Marty died and her best friend Cindy was injured. I'm guessing he has no clue how to say: "Hey, I'm truly sorry that happened."

That says a very great deal about him. One can sometimes have a high intellect — but low intelligence and awareness, and zero heart.

:focus:

[Delight]

I decided to try to apologize for the out of control accusations flying around Old Student's posts. I DECIDED to do that, knowing that most likely I'd fail and create even greater controversy. Same with sitting here wondering how long it would take for a response from someone calling me out on the polio vax thing. I DECIDED to use the widely accepted simplistic belief that Jonas Salk was a hero who eradicated polio as an example. Within the context that I used that fallacy I did manage to state what was necessary. I left a nice fat opening for Old Student to come back to me.

Far as I'm concerned there should be more games going on here. Genuine dialogue is too rare. How do you pull others into a deeper, more genuine dialogue that's hopefully based upon their experience and not on some David Icke thing or some iffy bitchute video? I don't know. But I'd certainly like to see more opinions shared in member's own words, crafted however they feel they need to craft those words to put a point across - while sharing something of their lives. Maybe we need to live up to the image that we like to project of how tolerant the Avalon forum is. Dialogue isn't about always being right.

What is the point of your game?

Dialogue in the context of the jab is IMO about being "correct" in terms of evidence.

I feel really tired about all this parsing of truth... you seem to be stating that opinions are all that count. Anyway, I wish everyone the best concerning the bottleneck that seems to be forming. It reminds me of the story (said to be true) that at one point, humanity reduced to almost zero people and was restarted with one Mother. All our mitochondria said to derive form that Eve. It makes me think, maybe there was an off world intervention and cloning? Surely could be so.

To play checkers with those who are IMO advancing a cause I personally despise is no fun.

[helium]

To the extent that Natural Immunity has been canceled, this "Biggest Failure" will be declared misinformation.


CORONAVIRUSJohns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’ (https://summit.news/2021/05/26/johns-hopkins-prof-half-of-americans-have-natural-immunity-dismissing-it-is-biggest-failure-of-medical-leadership/)

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance”

A professor with the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has said that there is a general dismissal of the fact that more than half of all Americans have developed natural immunity to the coronavirus and that it constitutes “one of the biggest failures of our current medical leadership.”

Dr. Marty Makary made the comments during a recent interview, noting that “natural immunity works” and it is wrong to vilify those who don’t want the vaccine because they have already recovered from the virus.

Makary criticised “the most slow, reactionary, political CDC in American history” for not clearly communicating the scientific facts about natural immunity compared to the kind of immunity developed through vaccines.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” Makary emphasised.

“We are not seeing reinfections, and when they do happen, they’re rare. Their symptoms are mild or are asymptomatic,” the professor added.

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance,” he urged, adding “Live a normal life, unless you are unvaccinated and did not have the infection, in which case you need to be careful.”

“We’ve got to start respecting people who choose not to get the vaccine instead of demonizing them,” Makary further asserted.continue here (https://summit.news/2021/05/26/johns-hopkins-prof-half-of-americans-have-natural-immunity-dismissing-it-is-biggest-failure-of-medical-leadership/)


Precisely - the elephant in the room demands to be seen and heard. The vaxx would never have been marketed as experimental if already existing medications had not been rendered illegitimate. Early treatment with those existing meds would likely have resulted in most of us developing natural antibodies faster and with less suffering and death. That can still be done. Although there may be some regions where using standard meds will be more acceptable than in others. I live in a very dangerous place where the vaxx uptake is far too high, where resistance to the vaxx could prove to be futile.

[helium]

I'm a devious bassterd - I do just that - whether I post anything during any particular year or not.Well, be careful!! :)

Avalon members have lost friends and family to the shots (they died, and in some cases what happened was really awful) and have also reported many injuries. Even in this tiny community, the numbers are telling a story. So sensitivities on the forum are running quite high, with good reason.

That's why there's so much anger against Old Student, who has yet to reply to Karen (Geophyz), whose brother Marty died and her best friend Cindy was injured. I'm guessing he has no clue how to say: "Hey, I'm truly sorry that happened."

That says a very great deal about him. One can sometimes have a high intellect — but low intelligence and awareness, and zero heart.

:focus:


Wait a minute. Am I to be cautious when I search out and read members posts so that I can get to know them better? That's what I said I was doing as a 'devious bassterd.' This is all about heart. Until it isn't, anymore. I can't make a tongue in cheek reference to myself as devious without attracting bile?

OK, I get it. There are raw nerves here. Better to go elsewhere to talk about 'deeper dialogue.' Point is, I took on both sides of the Old Student tangles and I thought I presented a good case in favor of those who resisted his presentation, while providing a path for him to respond. And yes, I knew that would create a mess. Unless maybe it didn't.

Maybe everyone just needs a new focus for their angst. Maybe I can be that focus. Then maybe everyone including Old Student can take another look at what's been said and discover that both sides have valid points. Perhaps what this forum needs is more members like Old Student. Everyone needs to grow up. Meanwhile, attack helium so that a new perspective can be gained regarding the arguments above. I'm your target now. Give Old Student a break and see if he wants to be a part of the ongoing discussion. Something with *heart* may come of it. Hopefully.

I'd say that this discussion is very much on topic. If this thread and the controversy within it were something being discussed on a larger, perhaps global scale, working through differences in opinion and misconceptions of what's fact could turn the tide as far as saving lives and reducing suffering.

Ya, I know. I'm a bleeding heart utopian optimist - a dreamer. That's what I do. I dream. Started at a young age, I did.

[iota]

I'm a devious bassterd - I do just that - whether I post anything during any particular year or not.Well, be careful!! :)

Avalon members have lost friends and family to the shots (they died, and in some cases what happened was really awful) and have also reported many injuries. Even in this tiny community, the numbers are telling a story. So sensitivities on the forum are running quite high, with good reason.

That's why there's so much anger against Old Student, who has yet to reply to Karen (Geophyz), whose brother Marty died and her best friend Cindy was injured. I'm guessing he has no clue how to say: "Hey, I'm truly sorry that happened."

That says a very great deal about him. One can sometimes have a high intellect — but low intelligence and awareness, and zero heart.

:focus:

Wait a minute. Am I to be cautious

And yes, I knew that would create a mess.




ABSOLUTELY

NEVER again be confused on this point

i don't understand your feigning ignorance now ...

it is INHERENT in the "KNOWING" you were "CREATING A MESS"

you ALSO should be when you state:






I decided to try to apologize for the out of control accusations flying around Old Student's posts. I DECIDED to do that, knowing that most likely I'd fail and create even greater controversy.



THAT is LYING for the explicit purpose of CAUSING controversy

like a puppet master engineering results ..

those of chaos, division and strife

your amusement at OUR expense i don't find amusing




Same with sitting here wondering how long it would take for a response from someone calling me out on the polio vax thing.



AND you BAITED

sitting there WAITING ~ EXPECTING ~ INVITING

to be CALLED OUT

well I AM

and you should know that when you put out an invitation from a sordid place of darkness?

there is LIKELY to BE a response

i don't care how you want to spin or use gaslighting

it takes a special kind of depraved reasoning to actually PLOT to instigate

and you don't get to call it otherwise

you are also a LIAR ~ intentionally BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION

you KNEW the information to be different and yet INTENTIONALLY set a trap for others to fall into through response

do we look like toys for your amusement?

is this how you treat people in your life?

NO ONE likes to be toyed with, lied to, find out they were only responding to BAIT

the type of mind that conceives this should be prepared for a fall out from it

and you were

you stated .. you were waiting




I DECIDED to use the widely accepted simplistic belief that Jonas Salk was a hero who eradicated polio as an example. Within the context that I used that fallacy I did manage to state what was necessary. I left a nice fat opening for Old Student to come back to me.

are you expecting some sort of congratulations for being "clever" in leaving just enough "clues" to LURE people to a confrontation?

division
strife

ALL goals of a provocateur

we don't like being provoked

and you have a special kind of depraved audacity to state in detail your plans

NOT brilliant .. warped perhaps .. and NOT even an "interesting" use for your time and energy ... just sad .. and a little pathetic



Far as I'm concerned there should be more games going on here


i DIFFER in that opinion

i don't know of anyone else playing "games" here

most are interested in genuine dialogue

with someone who is speaking honestly, not hatching deception and laying out "clues" so people will FALL right into their intended confrontation

and you chose the wrong topic for your depravity ..

people's lives are in the balance

people loved and respected here have experienced loss

how dare you plot, scheme, bait for your amusement

because YOU think "There should be more games" here?

WE ARE NOT CHILDREN ~ NOR ARE WE PLAYING GAMES

go do that elsewhere

this is a topic that deals with people's lives, the lives of people they love, the freedom of this country and actually the freedom of the world!

it is DECIDEDLY NOT fodder for "games"

and i'd say at least you summarized it accurately .. in the end



I'm a devious bassterd

is about the only thing i can agree you were honest about

[onawah]

Iota, if you had any further doubts about Helium's view of Avalon, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1431447&viewfull=1#post1431447
...which may sum it up...
Helium: "I'd like to know how many others in this community react to the blatant propaganda spread by that newspaper in the same way I do. I seriously doubt there are many at all. This is a pretty place, but also a wasteland."

[helium]

Wait a minute. Am I to be cautious

And yes, I knew that would create a mess.




ABSOLUTELY

NEVER again be confused on this point

i don't understand your feigning ignorance now ...

it is INHERENT in the "KNOWING" you were "CREATING A MESS"

you ALSO should be when you state:






I decided to try to apologize for the out of control accusations flying around Old Student's posts. I DECIDED to do that, knowing that most likely I'd fail and create even greater controversy.



THAT is LYING for the explicit purpose of CAUSING controversy

like a puppet master engineering results ..

those of chaos, division and strife

your amusement at OUR expense i don't find amusing




Same with sitting here wondering how long it would take for a response from someone calling me out on the polio vax thing.



AND you BAITED

sitting there WAITING ~ EXPECTING ~ INVITING

to be CALLED OUT

well I AM

and you should know that when you put out an invitation from a sordid place of darkness?

there is LIKELY to BE a response

i don't care how you want to spin or use gaslighting

it takes a special kind of depraved reasoning to actually PLOT to instigate

and you don't get to call it otherwise

you are also a LIAR ~ intentionally BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION

you KNEW the information to be different and yet INTENTIONALLY set a trap for others to fall into through response

do we look like toys for your amusement?

is this how you treat people in your life?

NO ONE likes to be toyed with, lied to, find out they were only responding to BAIT

the type of mind that conceives this should be prepared for a fall out from it

and you were

you stated .. you were waiting




I DECIDED to use the widely accepted simplistic belief that Jonas Salk was a hero who eradicated polio as an example. Within the context that I used that fallacy I did manage to state what was necessary. I left a nice fat opening for Old Student to come back to me.

are you expecting some sort of congratulations for being "clever" in leaving just enough "clues" to LURE people to a confrontation?

division
strife

ALL goals of a provocateur

we don't like being provoked

and you have a special kind of depraved audacity to state in detail your plans

NOT brilliant .. warped perhaps .. and NOT even an "interesting" use for your time and energy ... just sad .. and a little pathetic



Far as I'm concerned there should be more games going on here


i DIFFER in that opinion

i don't know of anyone else playing "games" here

most are interested in genuine dialogue

with someone who is speaking honestly, not hatching deception and laying out "clues" so people will FALL right into their intended confrontation

and you chose the wrong topic for your depravity ..

people's lives are in the balance

people loved and respected here have experienced loss

how dare you plot, scheme, bait for your amusement

because YOU think "There should be more games" here?

WE ARE NOT CHILDREN ~ NOR ARE WE PLAYING GAMES

go do that elsewhere

this is a topic that deals with people's lives, the lives of people they love, the freedom of this country and actually the freedom of the world!

it is DECIDEDLY NOT fodder for "games"

and i'd say at least you summarized it accurately .. in the end



I'm a devious bassterd

is about the only thing i can agree you were honest about




Amazing rant, this. As I said, helium is now your target. Let fly those arrows!!

[helium]

Iota, if you had any further doubts about Helium's view of Avalon, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1431447&viewfull=1#post1431447
...which may sum it up...
Helium: "I'd like to know how many others in this community react to the blatant propaganda spread by that newspaper in the same way I do. I seriously doubt there are many at all. This is a pretty place, but also a wasteland."


I didn't adequately specify the community I referred to. Read my post for *context* and it should be possible to see that I was speaking about the community that reads the local newspaper NOT the Avalon community. Keep looking and you'll find lots of ammo for further harassment. What do you gain from it, though? Is it fun?

[iota]

Amazing rant, this. As I said, helium is now your target. Let fly those arrows!!

i'm sorry .. does your "cleverness" require a WHOLE LOT of time to contrive?

and gaslighting means RE CLASSIFYING a point by point breakdown of YOUR narrative as a "rant"?

are you ALSO one of those common petty souls who continuously absolves themselves of ALL responsibility for

YOUR ACTIONS
YOUR WORDS
YOUR CHOICES

who came up with ALL of that?

ME? or YOU?

as you can see i take NO time to come up with a response

that's the cool thing about speaking the TRUTH

no preparation needed ZILCH

ONLY when we move beyond truth is there a need for time to hatch and plot and come up with their devious plans

as i said, i've dealt with your type often
'
DO NOT BAIT AGAIN
DO NOT PLOT
DO NOT PROVOKE
DO NOT LIE
DO NOT LEAVE US "clues" to CREATE CONTROVERSY

and an actual playground would be more appropriate if its "games" you want to play

[helium]

:offtopic:

[Sue (Ayt)]

As I see it, Helium's only sin was to not get into the deep debate about the Polio vaccine, despite knowing that it is a darker subject than many are aware of, for which he was called out.

Even me - my older cousin had polio, and had to wear Forrest Gump braces for years. His one leg was left shorter, weaker, and thinner than the other for his entire life. There were several kids in my school system in the same condition. I remember feeling so sorry for them...
My parents were very happy when the vaccine came out. It is an "iffy" subject for me, and not black or white.

(When I read the post cited about the community newspaper, it was obvious to me from the start that it was about the local community newspaper and the propaganda it was putting out. That was misinterpreted.)

[Old Student]

What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.
If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down ("censored" to use the expression in some circles). They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous.


I say that you just have to live this stuff to be able to wrap your head around the fact that the virus was released by someone on purpose and allowed to circulate.
I don't believe we've heard the whole story about how this virus started up either. But that's a long way from believing that someone released it on purpose. Just because people are trying to cover it up doesn't indicate purposefulness. More likely -- I do have some experience with the Chinese governments on both sides of the Taiwan Strait -- is that they need to have it have come from outside or there will be consequences from their own people. And in order to pretend it was foisted on China by the usual outsiders, you can't very well have it originate in Wuhan. SARS-CoV the original started in China, the government there has promised from the political level it wouldn't happen again, they found the 2002-3 epidemic totally embarrassing. They've been using state run media to tell people it came from outside China. So they'll fight tooth and nail to not have it come from Wuhan even without there being something nefarious afoot. Xi Jinping is gradually working on being the next official dynastic rule, this is a huge monkey wrench in his plans, and if it did come from sloppy behavior in the lab, that goes against all he's been feeding the Chinese, about them being in so many ways a superior race to the rest of the people in the world.

[onawah]

The context within which I was reading your post (however mistakenly), and your setting of traps here, your "gaming", and self-admitted deviousness, etc. led me to believe otherwise; understandably so, I think.
(You did write "this wasteland", not "that wasteland", after all. Another trap? )
I have invested far too much time and energy over the years into bringing good, credible research to this forum in a sincere wish to help alleviate confusion rather than add to it, and therefore find games and the picking of pointless fights unrewarding.
I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list, which will be best for all, I think.
I hope that answers your question.





Iota, if you had any further doubts about Helium's view of Avalon, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan&p=1431447&viewfull=1#post1431447
...which may sum it up...
Helium: "I'd like to know how many others in this community react to the blatant propaganda spread by that newspaper in the same way I do. I seriously doubt there are many at all. This is a pretty place, but also a wasteland."


I didn't adequately specify the community I referred to. Read my post for *context* and it should be possible to see that I was speaking about the community that reads the local newspaper NOT the Avalon community. Keep looking and you'll find lots of ammo for further harassment. What do you gain from it, though? Is it fun?

[helium]

What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself. If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down ("censored" to use the expression in some circles). They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous.


I say that you just have to live this stuff to be able to wrap your head around the fact that the virus was released by someone on purpose and allowed to circulate. I don't believe we've heard the whole story about how this virus started up either. But that's a long way from believing that someone released it on purpose. Just because people are trying to cover it up doesn't indicate purposefulness. More likely -- I do have some experience with the Chinese governments on both sides of the Taiwan Strait -- is that they need to have it have come from outside or there will be consequences from their own people. And in order to pretend it was foisted on China by the usual outsiders, you can't very well have it originate in Wuhan. SARS-CoV the original started in China, the government there has promised from the political level it wouldn't happen again, they found the 2002-3 epidemic totally embarrassing. They've been using state run media to tell people it came from outside China. So they'll fight tooth and nail to not have it come from Wuhan even without there being something nefarious afoot. Xi Jinping is gradually working on being the next official dynastic rule, this is a huge monkey wrench in his plans, and if it did come from sloppy behavior in the lab, that goes against all he's been feeding the Chinese, about them being in so many ways a superior race to the rest of the people in the world.

First I want to agree that a lot of stuff floating around the web could be considered dangerous from the FDA's point of view. Problem is, our FDA had (has) the most to lose from information being freely disclosed, regardless of the veracity of that info. The bogus info, the truly stupid, useless videos and websites, were never a threat to medicine. The FDA was given a mission and they got on with it. That mission was to suppress valid medical science.

Also agreed that there is no smoking gun at this time to prove that the release was done purposefully. However the coverup is so insanely ubiquitous and contrived that it's difficult to avoid such a conclusion. Especially when the events matched perfectly the onset of the chinese new year with massive numbers of travelers moving out of the country to spread the virus. This outbreak could definitely have been foisted upon the chinese by an outside force. I think it's entirely safe to assume malfeasance, though, based on what is obvious from impartial observation.

The worst of the spread of what at one time was NOT a pandemic in the US was the suppression of medical intervention. But unless the suppression was successful the emergency authorization for the many expensive vaxxes could not be implemented. And so we can easily trace the events and the government decrees that led to suppression of drugs that could have saved lives while medical science caught up sufficiently to work out formal treatment protocols. Testing itself was botched on purpose as part of the medical suppression. To have watched this happen with my own eyes was and is excruciating.

Medicine has always been a sacred profession as far as I'm concerned. Huge portions of my life have been spent working overtime to bring new medical interventions to market. Think the very first automated defib. I designed and built test fixtures for the FDA compliance testing and final approval for those devices. Today I have a very difficult time believing that medical science could have been compromised as thoroughly as it has been this past year or so. I mean to the extent that when I fractured my left leg not long ago I could not find decent medical care. The entire system has been disrupted with MD's afraid to practice medicine. What's much worse is that the medical expertise that would protect us from dangerous vaxxes has been silenced. It is difficult indeed to see an entire industry that you once invested so much time, energy, and faith in become neutered and dead. All for the sake of - what? I ask not only 'who benefits' but what is it that they gain? In the end, whomever they are, they gain nothing. On the other hand, I've had my eyes opened, as many others have. And that is a good thing.

From a public health standpoint I wonder what you might have done if you'd had a free hand when that first infected individual walked off the airplane at SeaTac, or when the first infections were detected in British Columbia, just across the water from where I live. Would you have been following the science as I did, studying the first journal articles going into pre-print? Of course. When we discovered that depleted zinc and supplementation using an ionophore was a key to treatment wouldn't you be on that bandwagon? Of course. Except the bandwagon was hijacked right out from under us. What did you think of that cruise ship that was allowed to land and everyone disembark on the east coast early in the 'pandemic?' Personally, I couldn't believe it. Not long afterward New York was toast. From a public health standpoint I'd think that you'd be quite frustrated by now. If not incensed.

Sorry for this rant. I for one would like to hear more from you. How can emergency authorization be given to the vaxx when conventional options were available? Did you consider the use of hydroxychloroquine to be dangerous? Ivermectin? Quercertin? I'm not looking for a flame war. I'm simply curious. We certainly have a lot of evidence now that conventional medications are effective, and that natural antibodies are evident and protective. If an emergency authorization for a new med is approved, and there is evidence that the emergency med actually has a damaging effect on the body's innate immune system, how can it be justified?

[pueblo]

Good video.


Dr. Peter McCullough has been the world's most prominent and vocal advocate for early outpatient treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection in order to prevent hospitalization and death. On May 19, 2021, he was interviewed regarding his efforts as a treating physician and researcher. From his unique vantage point, he has observed and documented a PROFOUNDLY DISTURBING POLICY RESPONSE to the pandemic -- a policy response that may prove to be the greatest malpractice and malfeasance in the history of medicine and public health.

Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine, Dallas, TX USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine.

He has 40 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in TheHill and on FOX NEWS Channel. On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.


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[Tintin]

I've now listened to this twice, and I'd also recommend The Last American Vagabond interview that Taylor Hudak conducted recently with Dr Roger Hodkinson. That was a great educational showcase.

Byram Bridle interview | ON Point with Alex Pierson: May 28th, 2021
Source: https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge#description

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There is a download option on that page.

Description
Alex talks with Dr. Byram Bridle, an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph about new peer-reviewed studies that suggests there may be terrifying reasons side effects such as heart inflammation, VITT, and other serious issues may occur in those who have been vaccinated----------------

TLAV - Dr. Roger Hodkinson Interview - COVID-19 Vaccines, Infertility & Spike Protein Dangers

https://odysee.com/@Jadu200:7/Dr.-Hodkinson-Interview---COVID-19-Vaccines,-Infertility---Spike-Protein-Dangers_HD:c

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The paper to which both are referring is the Ogata paper.

PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34015087/

Title: Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients

Abstract: SARS-CoV-2 proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who received two doses of mRNA-1273 vaccine. 11 of 13 participants showed detectable levels of SARS-CoV-2 protein as early as day one after first vaccine injection. Clearance of detectable SARS-CoV-2 protein correlated with production of IgG and IgA.

Link to PDF: https://watermark.silverchair.com/ciab465.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAArAwggKsBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKdMI ICmQIBADCCApIGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQM9VyAe-6saP9K83oLAgEQgIICYyf3GS7bzsc_9panWQkWkvNgIrrxOLe1lXOJ1Mh5hKOM7DAHoRj_OMpd8b3CyvisdOfBDcFpcvjtA_6YDR plfF9x8PfSgr-uyxdCldX5EIg9Y42GXTbHQG_uUYcWQCY-OJMUgTwy_mAuUtDC-BwlYTyUAoI0RIAYCcGWKa1XYwKMJ6T2hN7yMCPAjWVWNDCDSfXHv1uIHQk2Zesf3VN7sylP7r78atFUEKthS_jVeaNGOMZzIfdmp 6wnG0UOsQ1RLkb0KjwmUd-nXhESfBknOibN39YjZsofWB2t5xdchybFExHgOi4IE7kXB6kys36yURrU-dfMQtBK_OohEkWUlEkRvB-0BoY3VfyNBEqMbphZ7g4hyjSoJY_tXUUsYHIGlrvi18_ZkMcLgMBLzfvp_8U28r5EeOnqqfxFj7UQ0qRn1la86IOYnzz3UVRuf9o bqrEiz53i8lvSd5wWQ_q2Io0jrOaWwdx-6Tsf8qVSanIn-_sWo3eFWFcmOkG7s6N80kjjdj6nlBfRsk8hgHb4885uJ50_g1C38hTXGBSRCbZ468E4HBn_2CPCRlZRtrTcWeYqpV8Rozrs7Y7FM SuaEA-B6cGz2yEXVEatt-C-tJ3gLG3JWi0ASAhXlr2gmo7IhPc0pC1C7cowdtyXpM8DJnxa7UimEmavpB1JVpsmastr9ukq5qHVaRE8NQGyzj_vlY9EcLnbQlNe SC_eQufssdsSW8t1nC2-BeMDIWvol4E9yTcvbhAAShLVsRcXZjcv5m1QYgZhE-PUCV0WQ5hi83RZbmdqfk2GGuCfgb3Rpfuo_BbS

[jaybee]

Description
Alex talks with Dr. Byram Bridle, an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph about new peer-reviewed studies that suggests there may be terrifying reasons side effects such as heart inflammation, VITT, and other serious issues may occur in those who have been vaccinated----------------




Good short video (in post above) covering some basic points... thanks

But I have to say it's mind boggling that ANY doctor or health expert would think that the mRNA 'vaccine' was going to stay in the shoulder /arm muscle and not go into the bloodstream...

I'm not a doctor but I could have told them that it wasn't going to stay in the upper arm muscle.... I mean really what the hell is going on that any doctor would think that...

I looked for a quote to illustrate the point...

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323115#uses


Intramuscular injections have other advantages too. The muscles have a plentiful supply of blood, which helps ensure that the body absorbs the medication quickly. The tissue in the muscles can also hold more medication than fatty tissue.

:facepalm:

[Old Student]

Also agreed that there is no smoking gun at this time to prove that the release was done purposefully. However the coverup is so insanely ubiquitous and contrived that it's difficult to avoid such a conclusion.
You are wildly underestimating what China believes it has on the line regardless of whether anything was done purposefully. And you need to factor in that the government there has virtually promised its people that they can find a foreign vector that is the "real source" of the virus. And how much of Chinese government is based on extreme nationalism and ethnicity, carefully cloaked in party principles or Confucianism or slogans like Belt & Road.

They really, really, really need this to not be even the slightest bit their fault. If for no other reason than that SARS-CoV, the original, in 2002, that spawned all the research and the mad scramble to figure out how to make a vaccine for a coronavirus (almost the equivalent of a "cure for the common cold") -- that "covid" -- was from China.


Today I have a very difficult time believing that medical science could have been compromised as thoroughly as it has been this past year or so.
Here's the thing. I can almost agree with this comment, but you and I see the corruption in two entirely different places. The vaxxes are not the result of short term research they've been under study since SARS-CoV "1". The for-profit medical industry? Anybody who watches daytime TV has seen the proliferation of tons of drugs that have been approved with dozens of side effects. That kind of approval requires that the drug be treating something life threatening or completely debilitating. And yet drugs that can cause PML or tardive are being hawked on TV with an "ask your doctor..." as if you should get them for the asking. Many of them are more deadly than many of the schedule I drugs, ironically.

But that's where I look askance at the industry. Doctors traditionally did infections, contagions and trauma, and they're really really good at those traditions. Nowadays, practice has shifted into chronic conditions and pain. And they're being treated as if they know just as much about those, which they don't. Not yet, anyway. And for-profit industries are allowed to fund specific basic research at universities.

But like I said, doctors are really good at infections, contagions, and trauma. And Covid is an infection and a contagion. This is what they really are good at. An epidemic of obesity, or clinical depression, not so much.


From a public health standpoint I wonder what you might have done if you'd had a free hand when that first infected individual walked off the airplane at SeaTac, or when the first infections were detected in British Columbia, just across the water from where I live.
First, to answer your question. I would have done what public health officials did in California at the first sign of community spread. Shut.It.Down.
A second point: I am not public health, I have done event medicine. I do trust public health. I believe it is the last thing in the world that should be politicized. I think it should be more like on Star Trek, where Beverly Crusher orders Jean-Luc Picard to bed.


Sorry for this rant. I for one would like to hear more from you. How can emergency authorization be given to the vaxx when conventional options were available? Did you consider the use of hydroxychloroquine to be dangerous? Ivermectin? Quercertin?
1) EUA was granted to get the country vaccinated. There were no "conventional options" there was no alternative vaccination, the numbers were absolute disaster looming. It isn't just that the numbers were high, there was a trend that at each peak the trough was also higher. Such sustained numbers invites new strains, in addition to all the people it was killing (more than one 9/11 per day).
2) Hydroxychloroquine failed to work when tested more rigorously. Those who proposed it were just sharing an anecdotal result hoping to add to the possible methods, but when actually tested in a small study (meaning statistically sound but not very big), it failed to work.
3) Quercertin was proposed as an anti-inflammatory -- to be used during treatment not as a preventative. Results were inconclusive, it failed replication of the Chinese study.
4) Ivermectin, I hadn't heard of, so I looked it up. The paper claiming efficacy was leaked somehow before peer review. South American scientists failed to be able to replicate or show any efficacy and the paper was retracted.

Other treatments (because all of the above are proposed treatments, none convey immunity or prevent contracting the disease):
dexamethasone -- needs to be timed but can counteract cytokine storm. Note that people do also die of cardiovascular failure if they survive the storm regularly.
monoclonal antibodies -- these work. They are not widespread because of bad rollout and because they require transfusion not just a shot.
Hanging patients in prone position.
Waiting as long as possible before tubing patients.

We certainly have a lot of evidence now that conventional medications are effective, and that natural antibodies are evident and protective.
As above on effective medicines. None of them is a "cure" none of them is a prophylactic, all of them are treatments for people who have become very sick.

Natural antibodies are protective. Getting the disease to get them is flirting with death. Especially if you are older or have other medical conditions.

A disease that fails to completely die out as would happen with herd immunity due to vaccines, will become endemic and will also mutate. So far, the belief that those mutations will be milder or less infectious has been proven dead wrong.

[iota]

first of all to the whole Hellium business, of course Natalie AND i were correct in drawing the assumptions that we did based on the information given BY Hellium

it just turns out that there was "more" to the story not being disclosed and its not my place to do it ... but suffice it to say that the reasons for support are more than is evidenced in public. i would not have disclosed this publicly if the inexplicable support had NOT been public as well

i will drop this because i'm not very good at saying anything other than what i know to be true

my only parting admonition will be:

the NEXT time i or someone gives you a compliment?

perhaps a simple "Thank you" or silence would be MOST appropriate

instead of allowing EGO to rule and retort and retort and retort to say:


"woman you are mistaken about me!! i'm NOT awesome! i'm a devious bastard!

NO, NO, NO!! ME? ... Mistaken? ...... > heavens NO!!

why i did ALL of that ON PURPPOSE!!"

AND

"let me now explain to you point by point the clever traps i set,

to bait for the purpose of controversy,

information i was WELL aware of but withheld

KNWING it could create CHAOS

because in the end i think we should play more games here!"


Just take it for granted that THOSE activities/disclosures will NOT be met with a word of encouragement? but rather a WT*????

WE did NOT KNOW THAT and would NOT have responded to THAT if you had just been SILENT

sometimes it is BEST to walk away from computer because if YOU KEEP ON RESPONDING (repeatedly)

just take it for granted that someone WILL RESPOND BACK

As for Old Student's response:



What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.
If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down


("censored" to use the expression in some circles).

They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous


so let's just talk about this point for a moment

WHO is the FDA and what RIGHT do they have to CENSOR?

Censorship is NOT:


"the expression used in some circles"

CENSORSHIP IS what is taking place!

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/censorship-131026020500-phpapp01/95/censorship-2-638.jpg

if something was patently FALSE? then simple identification and disclosure of Truth would suffice

the obliteration of ALL opposing views and denial of intelligent adults to examine ALL information available and formulate their own opinions IS CENSORSHIP

and a right NO agency HAS over sovereign BEINGS

i, for one, will NOT have my beliefs dictated nor be treated as an ignorant fool OR a child that MUST be "regulated" in what i will be ALLOWED or NOT to consider

arms have been taken up for such affronts
and i can certainly understand that

ONLY those who have been subjugated, SILENCED, "groomed", "programmed" TO:


OBEY > ACQUIESCE > COMPLY

or are otherwise "unsure" of themselves and therefore looking TO or trusting an external source outside of themselves?

STILL > blindly obey and comply

the REST OF US? > take exception to these CENSORSHIP practices

so please label it not "expression used" EVER again as that IS FALSE

so IF you choose to? you are choosing to participate in this deception, propaganda and that will be CLEAR to ALL

now let's take a closer look at the FDA itself

one of the first articles i see says:


Stakeholders can’t sue FDA over NAC warning letters


Keyword: > Stakeholders

also here is a video fpr FDA Registration and US Agent Representation.


7sT_SDsFGVA

by NO stretch of the imagination can it be alleged that the FDA is NOT an unbiased government agency .. there are articles even in mainstream media that actually report in writing in black and white that THAT is laughable


FORBES article here (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2018/06/28/the-biopharmaceutical-industry-provides-75-of-the-fdas-drug-review-budget-is-this-a-problem/?sh=2169402749ec)



When you ask anyone involved in drug R&D about pro-industry bias on the part of the FDA, they laugh.


that SAME article in fact states:

"Caroline Chen of ProPublica has written a provocative article challenging the objectivity of the FDA in its approval of new drugs. Entitled:

“FDA Repays Industry by Rushing Risky Drugs to Market”,

Chen contends that the agency is beholden to the biopharmaceutical industry which pays three quarters of the FDA’s budget used for the drug review process.

This is an astounding number. Is any other federal agency supported to this extent by the industry it regulates?"

Read full article here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2018/06/28/the-biopharmaceutical-industry-provides-75-of-the-fdas-drug-review-budget-is-this-a-problem/

please take a moment to reflect on THAT

THREE QUARTERS of the FDA budget is derived FROM the biopharmaceutical industry

in my estimation? that alone would disqualify ANY notion of the FDA acting as an UNBIASED agent and further, complete RECUSAL would be more appropriate as long as this factor is allowed to continue

EVEN Governors that are typically ALIGNED with the CONTROL DOMINATION PROGRAMMING of the Social Narrative question the FDA ... here is one article that states:



Governors Question Credibility of FDA as Americans Wait for COVID-19 Vaccine

and they show this pic:


https://accountablescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/shutterstock_1674703420-260x260.jpg


must be pretty blatant and OBVIOUS when EVEN THAT guy breaks rank and questions the FDA agency i think ....

"The governors of two of the most populous states in the union have cast doubts about the integrity of the Food and Drug Administration’s approval process for the forthcoming COVID-19 vaccine.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced on Monday that he would be establishing a commission in California to review each vaccine’s safety after the FDA approves the first vaccine. He told reporters that his state “won’t take anyone’s word” for the safety of the vaccine — even if that “anyone” is the highly respected, career medical professionals at the FDA.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo similarly cast doubts about the veracity of the FDA’s approval process. He told ABC News on Sunday that he was “not confident” in the safety of pending COVID-19 vaccines.

“You’re going to say to the American people, ‘Now here’s a vaccine. It was new. It was done quickly. But trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe and we’re not 100% sure of the consequences?’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be,” Cuomo said.

“You’re going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it’s safe,” he later added. "

full article here:
https://accountablescience.com/governors-question-credibility-of-fda-as-americans-wait-for-covid-19-vaccine/

[Old Student]

I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list.
I'm honored and have also done the same for you.

[iota]

I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list.
I'm honored and have also done the same for you.

SEE? ... THIS is the kind of ENDLESS retorts that are TROLLING, antagonize people and beget responses you REALLY don't want

you do NOT seem to be actually "UNintelligent" so i would say your intelligence and ability to comprehend the English language would make you WELL AWARE that you have antagonized people

in an INSENSITIVE MANNER since there has BEEN LOSS of LIFE here

WHO DOES THAT?

WHAT IS YOUR PRUPOSE?

ARE YOU AT LEAST PAID FOR THIS?

OR JUST INDIVIDUALLY INSENSITIVE, ANTAGONISTIC BENT, DEPRAVED, HUMAN BEING?

and can WE maybe take up a GOFUND collection or something to make you STOP?

How much are they paying and let's see if maybe we can top it?

[Bill Ryan]

I think that is permission to speak freely.

You have permission. Please speak to Karen. We're waiting.We're still waiting.And waiting, and waiting. :)

Why might people reading this thread think you don't want to respond to this?

[Delight]

Sharing some resources I found here. Had not ever seen some......


⁣Free Multi Format Downloads

⁣The Vaccine Watchman 1888
by Stokes, W. D
https://archive.org/details/b30478637

The Poisoned Needle 1957 by ⁣Eleanor McBean ⁣ 283 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/the-poisoned-needle

⁣Swine Flu Expose ⁣1977 ⁣by Eleanora McBean 71 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/Sw....ineFluExposeEleanora

⁣Vaccination, the silent killer : a clear and present danger 1977 ⁣Eleanor McBean 132 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/vaccinationsilen00hono

& More TRUTH

⁣25 Years Old Newspaper Article About the Wuhan Bug... (plus current situation update)
⁣https://youtu.be/CzSyk-kjMrM


⁣The 1918 “Spanish Flu”: Only The Vaccinated Diedhttps://salmartingano.com/2020..../05/the-1918-spanish

⁣Did a Military Experimental Vaccine in 1918 Kill 50-100 Million People Blamed as “Spanish Flu”?
⁣https://vaccineimpact.com/2018..../did-military-experi

⁣Bacteria were the real killers in 1918 flu pandemic
⁣https://www.newscientist.com/a....rticle/dn14458-bacte

⁣https://manfromatlan.blogspot.....com/2017/01/vaccine-

⁣Swine Flu Expose = ⁣SWINE FLU ANOTHER MEDICALLY-MADE EPIDEMIC
⁣http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html

⁣COVID-19: Another Chapter in the History of Deception and Secrecy
⁣https://salmartingano.com/2020..../05/covid-19-another

⁣‘Professor Lockdown’ Modeler Resigns in Disgrace
⁣https://www.nationalreview.com..../corner/professor-lo

⁣The media, Facebook, Google, YouTube, and other “privately” owned communications outlets have become the self-proclaimed “guardians” (censors) of information.



On April 26, 2020, Twitter suspended the account of a publicly traded biotech company for sharing information about a non-medicinal UV light therapy for COVID-19.

⁣YouTube and Twitter Censor Pharma Company Researching UV Light Treatment for Chinese Virus
⁣https://www.breitbart.com/tech..../2020/04/26/youtube-

⁣“The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful.”Arnold RelmanFormer Editor of the New England Journal of Medicinehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p....mc/articles/PMC11260



⁣The Germ Theory Deception - Viruses, 5G , Vaccines ...
⁣http://entityart.co.uk/the-ger....m-theory-deception-v


ALL TOO CONVENIENT =

The main drug produced by the owners of ⁣Apotex Inc., was ⁣⁣Hydroxychloroquine.

The Mysterious Death Of Apotex Founder Barry Sherman, Manufacturer of Covid-19 REMEDY
⁣https://capforcanada.com/the-m....ysterious-death-of-a

⁣Barry and Honey Sherman: The mystery of the strangled billionaires
⁣https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42864082

⁣Who Killed the Billionaire Founder of a Generic Drug Empire?
⁣https://www.bloomberg.com/feat....ures/2018-apotex-bil

⁣The “Deadly” Hydroxychloroquine Publishing Scandal
⁣https://off-guardian.org/2020/....06/23/the-deadly-hyd


⁣Thousands of Doctors: Yes, Hydroxychloroquine Works Against Wuhan Coronavirus
⁣https://townhall.com/tipsheet/....katiepavlich/2020/04

⁣Finally, States Are Retracting Hydroxychloroquine Bans
⁣https://townhall.com/columnist....s/christinaherrin/20

⁣Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients
⁣https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

⁣Study finds 84% fewer hospitalizations for patients treated with controversial drug hydroxychloroquine
⁣https://www.washingtonexaminer.....com/news/study-find

[Delight]

More coming to light everyday.

https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1398803725272043520

This leaked #Pfizer study from the EMA shows that the #vaccine particles are hugely sequestered into the ovaries. (https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1398803725272043520)

https://projectavalon.net/Dr_Ah_Kahn_Syed_tweet.gif
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2mMFAZUUAI1Ned?format=jpg

And they knew just where nonolipids like to head

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1387842713551261696

[Old Student]

And waiting, and waiting.

Why might people reading this thread think you don't want to respond to this?
I'm really not sure. I said what I wanted to say, so I'm really not sure what you're waiting for. I wasn't asking permission I was saying I had it and I would not hold back on Delight. I didn't. Is it that you thought I would say something more than that? No.

Delight re-posts stuff that is dismal from a scientific point of view. "Only if you have a death wish, is the jab for you. Stephanie Seneff is a trust worthy scientist." Really? Stephanie Seneff is an NLP researcher from MIT AI lab. She once wrote a fairly decent piece on what people didn't know about the actions of bloodstream cholesterol. She got pasted by the medical community for it (wrongly, I believe), and went completely off the deep end, signing on to anything and everything that was against that community. I can understand why she did that, but that doesn't make what she comes out with nowadays any less trash. I worked on NLP briefly, or more properly worked on standards affected by NLP research and had to read and follow NLP to do so. It's about as far from being knowledgeable about vaccines as any discipline under the sun.

@iota:

EE? ... THIS is the kind of ENDLESS retorts that are TROLLING, antagonize people and beget responses you REALLY don't want

you do NOT seem to be actually "UNintelligent" so i would say your intelligence and ability to comprehend the English language would make you WELL AWARE that you have antagonized people
I said nothing at all to onawah, he just included me in his screed to Helium. So I responded. If that's trolling, it's the first time I've ever heard of a troll being trolled for a response before he's said anything to said person.

As for whether what I say antagonizes people, the feeling is mutual. I would like this disease to end. As in kaput, dead, smallpox non-existent. That won't happen where I am for one simple reason: People deciding not to get vaccinated.

The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.

This is a world wide disaster. You strike me as trying so hard you have to pass around stuff that the FDA has deemed harmful or capable of causing harm, to avoid getting to the end of the crisis.

You can yell troll or impolite or anything you want at me, my question is why? Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others? My third question is, have you ever lived where people die of disease regularly? Have you ever treated someone who's dying?

Stop worrying about why I might want to try to talk some sense with regard to some of the sloppy science that shows up on this thread. I'm not interested in seeing it cause any death and destruction. That's all. It isn't nefarious, it's basic medicine.

[Delight]

Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others?

This is a trial experiment with EUA authorization only because treatments were suppressed. Many deaths were iatrogenic (think misuse of ventilators). The vaccinated can still catch and pass on Covid. NO ONE knows what the long term effects will be of the jab. Indications are that the very future of reproduction may be at risk.

Why is the vaccine being pushed? Why are people being paid to talk up the vaccine and shame those who are exercising the RIGHT to decline an experimental treatment? Make sure people get it because even with bad effects, its then just too late to complain...the one way door.

Lots of people have been educated to see (certain groups of) human beings as a scourge. The belief is that there are too many people. The very old are a burden and the very young a huge social investment. A Great Reset to The Fourth Industrial Revolution is the Savior. That is all laid out in plain view so we know the plan.

Some people are this plan's minions. Some are JUST NOT.

[helium]

This is a world wide disaster. You strike me as trying so hard you have to pass around stuff that the FDA has deemed harmful or capable of causing harm, to avoid getting to the end of the crisis.

You can yell troll or impolite or anything you want at me, my question is why? Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others? My third question is, have you ever lived where people die of disease regularly? Have you ever treated someone who's dying?

Stop worrying about why I might want to try to talk some sense with regard to some of the sloppy science that shows up on this thread. I'm not interested in seeing it cause any death and destruction. That's all. It isn't nefarious, it's basic medicine.Helium respects your knowledge and experience. Obviously, though, you trust the FDA as well as the CDC and WHO? It does seem as if there is enough evidence that those three-letter agencies do NOT have the best interests of humanity in mind as the disaster unfolds.

I agree that there is a lot of sloppy science to be found on this forum. We are supposed to be astute enough to winnow the chaff. Of course some are not as capable as others in doing so. However this is a *learning* environment. We learn by sharing.

My problem is that there is an incredible amount of so-called science in the world beyond this forum that is just as sloppy and is causing great harm. I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind about what is real, moral, or justified. But from my point of view and there are others who agree with me, medicine has been hijacked - the kind of medicine you, I'm sure, have entrusted throughout your career. As I have.

If it were not for the fact that I've dealt personally with a great deal of death and human trauma I wouldn't be as focused on how it is that this world wide disaster we're discussing has become the deeper disaster that it is. Would I sacrifice myself for the greater good? Yes. I've done it many times. I'll do it again, and again. Without empathy we lose our humanity. It takes more than intellect to parse the events of this past year and a half. The events do not add up if you assume that actions taken by government agencies are for the good of all. Banning early treatment with known safe drugs that have proven to work is not something the FDA is going to be able to justify when the dust has settled on this mess. So I have to ask again, what is your opinion on the use of treatments based on ivermectin, HCQ, quercertin, etc.? Can you point to actual scientific research that demonstrates that they are ineffective? If so, I need to see it. Hopefully that research was not published in the Lancet.

The FDA had no basis whatsoever to ban early treatment with these drugs - other than to control the flow of both money and political power. I can't see it any other way without closing my eyes.

As far as the accusations of trolling and appearing insensitive I think they need to be set aside. They are off topic. They arise, though, because this forum has always held high standards for polite discussion. There are some who would throw these standards out the window to 'uphold' those standards. And there are those like you and I who stumble in this environment when we're called to go all the way back to basics to share complicated material with those who haven't had the experience or education we've had. All I can say is that tolerance works both ways.

[iota]

Old Student:

OMG! and a friend here was just on me that since "X" event? i needed to laugh again! :facepalm:

All right … what Bill was asking and wondering is where is your basic human decency? you could have just apologized given the situation that you have been speaking to SO callously .. NO "spiritual" person would lack empathy to THIS degree ..just sayin' ...

and believe it or not, i was kinda giving you the benefit of the doubt that there was a TEENIE chance you were for real and NOT that you are just posting from a long list of “Accepted Responses” to copy and paste that are just “Standard issue” irrespective of the fact they are MISinformation to promulgate a deceptive "Official Narrative"

QUESTION?

Is it ok if I break this down in pieces and posts?

Cause I can do a whole paper on each sentence that you wrote

And it COULD get tediously long ...

And THAT is what happened in my FIRST response btw so i just stopped


So … let’s begin

Shall we?


“I said nothing at all to onawah, he just included me in his screed to Helium. So I responded. If that's trolling, it's the first time I've ever heard of a troll being trolled for a response before he's said anything to said person.”


OS? ..... TROLL:



https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpm1.narvii.com%2F5994%2Fddc7fd50ea4827a680b45963c67484664af3b66b_hq.jpg


please let me know if you need clarification

I will have to take the time to perform the tedious (and decidedly unpleasant) task to pull up instance after instance where you HAVE DONE THIS ..

BUT .. if you insist …

NEXT POINT:


“ I would like this disease to end. As in kaput, dead, smallpox non-existent. That won't happen where I am for one simple reason: People deciding not to get vaccinated.”

Let’s just go to ONLY one hospital in this country currently held hostage by the assertion that WHAT you stated is a FACT rather than a TOOL to control and subjugate the people of this planet:



100% of people in hospital on COVID floor have been vaccinated



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Going easy here but for the sake of CLARITY


100% MEANS EVERYONE

As in GETTING VACCINATED did NOT only NOT bring this “disease to end” but the ENTIRE floor OF VACCINATED people HAVE COVID

Let me know if that needs a moment to compute, and I need to break down the rather CLEAR and OBVIOUS implications here ….

And SOME ASSISTANCE just in case …

Here is ONE comment from an individual who had NO “comprehension disability” as to the implications:



“So the hospitals are full of people who just got their 2nd vax. They're in the Covid ward which means they tested positive for covid.


And now they are trying to play catch up and smooth out the "not wearing the mask if vaccinated" indoors story.


Now the vaxed will spread it to the unvaxed. All the while the news is hysterically reporting of at a hysterical pitch that it's the highly contagious, infectious, new mutant covid.”


OR

(and apologies in advance if the WHO is your employer .. but they have sold you out)


https://i.insider.com/5feaf8a7edf8920018093fb3?width=400&format=jpeg


Top WHO scientist says vaccinated travelers should still quarantine,
citing lack of evidence that COVID-19 vaccines prevent transmission

Business Insider reports:

"The World Health Organization's chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, has urged people to be cautious with their behavior even after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

Swaminathan told a Monday briefing there was not yet enough evidence from vaccine trials "to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on."

She added that at least for now, even people who had received the vaccine should still quarantine when traveling to countries with lower coronavirus transmission rates.

Vaccine researchers in the US are trying to determine whether vaccines can stop the virus from spreading or are effective only at preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19.

Article here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronavirus-vaccine-prevent-transmissions-2020-12?r=US&IR=T&op=1

ok ... a couple of sentences down more to go .. sigh ...

[iota]

“The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.”


Did you actually quote STATS?

as in direct implication (insinuation) that they have ANY (F)ACTUAL validity?

you truly ARE an amusing man ...

well … ok then

HERE is the infamous private corporation the CDC itself!


CDC ADMITS AT LEAST 96% OF DEATHS
ATTRIBUTED TO COVID19 WERE DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES



cvNloum9UHnK/

I’d have to search deeper in my personal records, but pretty sure I have the ACTUAL PDF and link that hospitals received with DIRECTIVE TO classify deaths AS COVID irrespective of evidence to the contrary in the EARLY stages of the initiation of the WORLDWIDE imprisonment

NOT to mention the fact that STUDY found:

"CDC Broke Federal Law By Manipulating COVID-19 Death Statistics

A study published in the journal Science, Public Health Policy & the Law recently claims that the CDC violated federal law by inflating COVID-19 fatality statistics

The study is titled “COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective.”

it can be read here (https://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/02/CDC-Illegal-COVID-Deaths.pdf)


AND From the Abstract:


"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”

For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19.

More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able to generate inaccurate data during a crisis.

<snip>


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HiYNjsAuOxA/X07g3EDLh-I/AAAAAAACRMA/zLaIDOSoFDADFXOCkX365g8JBSpyNzosQCLcBGAsYHQ/w590-h315/Screen%2BShot%2B2020-09-02%2Bat%2B12.00.22%2BPM.png

Patrick Howley, writing for National File, reported:

The groundbreaking peer-reviewed research… asserts that the CDC willfully violated multiple federal laws including the Information Quality Act, Paperwork Reduction Act, and Administrative Procedures Act at minimum. (Publishing Journal – Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge / Public Health Policy Initiative)

“Most notably, the CDC illegally enacted new rules for data collection and reporting exclusively for COVID-19 that resulted in a 1,600% inflation of current COVID-19 fatality totals,” the watchdog group All Concerned Citizens declared in a statement provided to NATIONAL FILE, referring to the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge study.

The research demonstrates that the CDC failed to apply for mandatory federal oversight and failed to open a mandatory period for public scientific comment in both instances as is required by federal law before enacting new rules for data collection and reporting.

“The CDC is required to be in full compliance with all federal laws even during emergency situations. The research asserts that CDC willfully compromised the accuracy and integrity of all COVID-19 case and fatality data from the onset of this crisis in order to fraudulently inflate case and fatality data,” stated All Concerned Citizens.

On March 24th the CDC published the NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2 document instructing medical examiners, coroners and physicians to deemphasize underlying causes of death, also referred to as pre-existing conditions or comorbidities, by recording them in Part II rather than Part I of death certificates as “…the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause of death more often than not.”

This was a major rule change for death certificate reporting from the CDC’s 2003 Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting and Physicians’ Handbook on Medical Certification of Death, which have instructed death reporting professionals nationwide to report underlying conditions in Part I for the previous 17 years.

This single change resulted in a significant inflation of COVID-19 fatalities by instructing that COVID-19 be listed in Part I of death certificates as a definitive cause of death regardless of confirmatory evidence, rather than listed in Part II as a contributor to death in the presence of pre-existing conditions, as would have been done using the 2003 guidelines.

“The research draws attention to this key distinction as it has led to a significant inflation in COVID fatality totals. By the researcher’s estimates, COVID-19 recorded fatalities are inflated nationwide by as much as 1600% above what they would be had the CDC used the 2003 handbooks,” stated All Concerned Citizens.

Then on April 14th, the CDC adopted additional rules exclusive for COVID-19 in violation of federal law by outsourcing data collection rule development to the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE), a non-profit entity, again without applying for oversight and opening opportunity for public scientific review.

On April 5th the CSTE published a position paper Standardized surveillance case definition and national notification for 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) listing 5 CDC employees as subject matter experts.

“This key document created new rules for counting probable cases as actual cases without definitive proof of infection (section VII.A1 – pages 4 & 5), new rules for contact tracing allowing contact tracers to practice medicine without a license (section VII.A3 – page 5), and yet refused to define new rules for ensuring that the same person could not be counted multiple times as a new case (section VII.B – page 7),” stated All Concerned Citizens.

By enacting these new rules exclusively for COVID-19 in violation of federal law, the research alleges that the CDC significantly inflated data that has been used by elected officials and public health officials, in conjunction with unproven projection models from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), to justify extended closures for schools, places of worship, entertainment, and small businesses leading to unprecedented emotional and economic hardships nationwide.”

Article here:
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/cdc-broke-federal-law-by-manipulating-covid-death-statistics.html

and now? .. i fear i, myself, am going to grow old even just sifting through hundreds of references ALL disproving your points ..

and THAT is just going through MY personal records, you don't think i'm doing research from scratch do you? :sun: but i WILL continue .... on to next point >

[jaybee]

The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.


re the bolded above... where exactly did you get this figure...?

I seriously doubt it is correct - and even if it is I'm afraid the so called health experts and governments can be blamed for it - because they failed to help anyone with SARS-CoV-2 in it's early stages - just telling people to go home and isolate - not allowing doctors and hospitals etc to use helpful harmless drugs like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin to stop it getting worse....

I personally found using steam inhalation with drops of camphor oil in VERY helpful - inducing coughing and spitting out the congestion and phlegm...

The so called health experts and governments couldn't EVEN advise people to do that... ?

We are being horribly manipulated into a 21st Century Global Dictatorship.... the so called pandemic is just a lead in - (almost certainly) designed and spread deliberately as part of a bigger plan... (as opposed to an accidental spread being used as a convenient opportunity)

Those behind it wanted / want people to die and suffer in large numbers..... or at least want to create statistics to ramp up the fear mongering - so large numbers take up the experimental 'vaccine' - that will do god knows what to them short and long term...

We are witnessing a cruel deception - crimes against humanity - happening before our very eyes...


:(

[iota]

The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.

This is a world wide disaster.


continuing on the stats that you really MUST have just been joking about ...

even MAINSTREAM (fellow i share a bday with) posted THIS


https://twitter.com/YousXPB/status/1355633534346670086

which had been a point noticed immediately by common ordinary folk that EARLY on had NOTED and suspected this WOULD be the outcome:

Texas:


I live in TX. I know of a firefighter who tested positive for COVID in March.

2 weeks later, symptoms gone.

Needed negative test to return to work.

After 6 tests, still shows positive. After each test, he gets call from CDC with survey.
Last call he asked if each positive test is counted as a new case, they said YES. 1 person= 7 new cases


AND

Florida:


Have a friend who went to get tested at a drive thru with her kid.
Registered to take test. Got sick of waiting and left. Few days later got a call they were both positive.

They never even took the test...The numbers are a lie!!

AND



I heard this from someone else who registered to take the test but never had it done, but received "results" in

the mail that said she was positive for COVID.


AND


Saw this also happened to someone that scheduled appt for test at CVS.

They didn’t go. Several days later got positive test results in mail after never being tested.


not everyone is able to put their head in the sand with such expertise as YOU OS

even the MSM had some get 'past' them ...


MOTORCYCLE CRASH DEATH CLASSIFIED AS COVID19 DEATH


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AND


MAN WHO DIED FALLING FROM A 10 FOOT LADDER -
CLASSIFIED AS A COVID DEATH


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AND


NINE YEAR OLD FLORIDA GIRL IS SHOT BUT DEATH CLASSIFIED AS COVID19?

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AND


CITIZEN JOURNALIST CALLS FUNERAL HOMES ABOUT COVID DEATHS

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which leads to the efficacy of the actual test itself ... coming up after stats from the CDC itself

[iota]

The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.

This is a world wide disaster.

OS? ... we are NOT even done with information STRAIGHT from the CDC itself

CDC was actually, one of my BEST sources to discredit their own propaganda


https://api-assets.infowars.com/2021/01/1-4-21-cdc.jpg


The Actual Numbers and other critical facts

from the CDC

that the news is neglecting to report

CDC: of the 161,392 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the U.S. over the last 6 months (02/01/20 – 08/22/20), 94% of them had an average of 2.6 comorbidities (or ‘additional causes of death’, as defined by W.H.O.);

Only 6%, or approx. 9,700 people died exclusively from Covid-19); (accessed 8/31/20)


https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf



Compared to 79,400 people in the U.S. died of the flu during the 2017–2018 season (CDC)



FROM CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018/archive.htm#anchor_1572967859863



CDC: Fatality rate among those who Contract Covid-19

for Ages 0-19=.00003;

Ages 20-49=.0002;

Ages 50-69=.005;

Ages 70 and older=.054

(accessed 10/04/20)

FROM CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YILNG_IbPVE/maxresdefault.jpg



Anthony S. Fauci MD (NIAID, Corona Virus Task Force), Robert R. Redfield MD (Director of CDC), Et. al. in New England Journal Of Medicine:

"Even if one assumes number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387


World Health Organization: Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is very rare (6/8/20)


Source:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

HEY, i FOUND it! (referenced earlier where CDC DIRECTED them to do this)


CDC: COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents, even if it’s only assumed to have caused, or contributed to death

FROM CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0aMmi5bjnfXwvUZDa8iv6sTPEyXu



now ... ALL of the above without even bringing a CRUCIAL component to ALL of this in the spotlight!

but i seriously have to get to sleep now .. just glad i kept notes .. and this is barely 1% .. so if you think of anything else .. going to post one LAST video now and will see you tomorrow to finish up :facemask:

[iota]

OS there are literally overwhelming pages of EVIDENCE more .. let's just move on to your next questions and i can cover more on this tomorrow as well


Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others?

its not a complicated video OS ....

one of my favs for people that don't know much ...

on why NOT to get the vaccine



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[Bill Ryan]

And waiting, and waiting.

Why might people reading this thread think you don't want to respond to this? I'm really not sure. I said what I wanted to say, so I'm really not sure what you're waiting for. I wasn't asking permission I was saying I had it and I would not hold back on Delight. I didn't. Is it that you thought I would say something more than that? No.
You're an arrogant, heartless jerk. You read that here first.

You may have some residual ability in math (though clearly not in statistics!), but your specialist intellect isn't saving you from being unaware, broadly unintelligent, insensitive and unkind.

You're not helping anyone here. And you may be causing harm.

You're unsubscribed from the forum. Not because of your opinions. Avalon members have divergent opinions about many things. We're extraordinarily tolerant here.

What matters is how people express themselves. That's important in life.

You're unsubscribed because you're just not a nice person. You have no place in this community of extremely nice people.

We wish you well, but My God, you still have a lot of work to do on yourself.

This thread is about Avoiding the Vaccine.

:focus:

[Tintin]

Like, we didn't know this before :)

Natural Immunity Deniers - NIDs (you know who you are)... look away now....

46761

Source: Washington University School of Medicine St Louis (https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/)

Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection
People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime

by Tamara Bhandari • May 24, 2021

Months after recovering from mild cases of COVID-19, people still have immune cells in their body pumping out antibodies against the virus that causes COVID-19, according to a study from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Such cells could persist for a lifetime, churning out antibodies all the while.

The findings, published May 24 in the journal Nature, suggest that mild cases of COVID-19 leave those infected with lasting antibody protection and that repeated bouts of illness are likely to be uncommon.

“Last fall, there were reports that antibodies wane quickly after infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, and mainstream media interpreted that to mean that immunity was not long-lived,” said senior author Ali Ellebedy, PhD, an associate professor of pathology & immunology, of medicine and of molecular microbiology. “But that’s a misinterpretation of the data. It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau. Here, we found antibody-producing cells in people 11 months after first symptoms. These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives. That’s strong evidence for long-lasting immunity.”

During a viral infection, antibody-producing immune cells rapidly multiply and circulate in the blood, driving antibody levels sky-high. Once the infection is resolved, most such cells die off, and blood antibody levels drop. A small population of antibody-producing cells, called long-lived plasma cells, migrate to the bone marrow and settle in, where they continually secrete low levels of antibodies into the bloodstream to help guard against another encounter with the virus.

The key to figuring out whether COVID-19 leads to long-lasting antibody protection, Ellebedy realized, lies in the bone marrow. To find out whether those who have recovered from mild cases of COVID-19 harbor long-lived plasma cells that produce antibodies specifically targeted to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, Ellebedy teamed up with co-author Iskra Pusic, MD, an associate professor of medicine. Ellebedy already was working with co-authors Rachel Presti, MD, PhD, an associate professor of medicine, and Jane O’Halloran, MD, PhD, an assistant professor of medicine, on a project to track antibody levels in blood samples from COVID-19 survivors.

The team already had enrolled 77 participants who were giving blood samples at three-month intervals starting about a month after initial infection. Most participants had had mild cases of COVID-19; only six had been hospitalized.

With Pusic’s help, Ellebedy and colleagues obtained bone marrow from 18 of the participants seven or eight months after their initial infections. Five of them came back four months later and provided a second bone marrow sample. For comparison, the scientists also obtained bone marrow from 11 people who had never had COVID-19.

As expected, antibody levels in the blood of the COVID-19 participants dropped quickly in the first few months after infection and then mostly leveled off, with some antibodies detectable even 11 months after infection. Further, 15 of the 19 bone marrow samples from people who had had COVID-19 contained antibody-producing cells specifically targeting the virus that causes COVID-19. Such cells could still be found four months later in the five people who came back to provide a second bone-marrow sample. None of the 11 people who had never had COVID-19 had such antibody-producing cells in their bone marrow.

“People with mild cases of COVID-19 clear the virus from their bodies two to three weeks after infection, so there would be no virus driving an active immune response seven or 11 months after infection,” Ellebedy said. “These cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

People who were infected and never had symptoms also may be left with long-lasting immunity, the researchers speculated. But it’s yet to be investigated whether those who endured more severe infection would be protected against a future bout of disease, they said.

“It could go either way,” said first author Jackson Turner, PhD, an instructor in pathology & immunology. “Inflammation plays a major role in severe COVID-19, and too much inflammation can lead to defective immune responses. But on the other hand, the reason why people get really sick is often because they have a lot of virus in their bodies, and having a lot of virus around can lead to a good immune response. So it’s not clear. We need to replicate the study in people with moderate to severe infections to understand whether they are likely to be protected from reinfection.”

Ellebedy and colleagues now are studying whether vaccination also induces long-lived antibody-producing cells.

Study PDF: Nature Magazine (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4_reference.pdf)
SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived
bone marrow plasma cells in humans


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4_reference.pdf

[Tintin]

Hopefully this will embed here successfully (23 pages in length).

Source: Catbox (https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf)

This study was referred to by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) who pored through it yet somehow, despite some valid concerns, saw fit to 'pass' this for emergency use authorisation.

I haven't had a chance to read through this for myself, yet, but for those of you who are curious, there'll be doubtless many a smoking gun here that will back up those professionals concerned about the ramifications for human uptake.

Here it is:

https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

[Kryztian]

Natural Immunity Deniers - NIDs (you know who you are)... look away now....


:ROFL:

NIDs are a direct result of listening to those who have Natural Immunity Hesitancy. These influencers have got to be stopped and their speech must be suppresed! :ROFL:

[onawah]

I think Iota must have been up all night putting together those awesome posts.
She deserves a medal :first: and lots of "thank yous"!
I will bookmark those posts so I will know after this just where to send any pro-vaxxers to get their heads straightened out. :nod:

[iota]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrmichellebengtson.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F07%2Fpeace-restored-2.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Ok … so the REAL culprit has been banished from our midst and it turns out that people I respect and care about knew that the craftiness Hellium employed was to address this! (i hear you were working on the same “task” I was sent in for ] i mistakenly thought you were in cahoots with him! My apologies and glad to know you are NOT attacking my friends!

tolerance of those who waste time, energy and focus of people that are serious about the issues we face isn't really upholding free speech but denying. my son always stood for what was right and protected those attacked, but always both sought and freely offered forgiveness and he remains ever my teacher ...


AS IS ONAWAH!!

a TIRELESS and COMMITTED warrior of Truth who has SELFLESSLY spent literally YEARS of her life contributing to THIS Forum, specifically and our planet in general

Onawah is actually one of the people i admired MOST in here prior to joining and her dedication and invaluable research served as a TRUE inspiration to join this community in the first place! i look to her as an example always!

:flower:


All right … I don’t have time to format all of this but I have records and records and the following I found invaluable as to the information and indisputable sources .. themselves!

So forgive the lack of formatting, I’ll try to clean it up tonight, but here is a fire dump from a page of my records from different sources and one main one that had done a lot of work to compile it in one place,


The Actual Numbers and other critical facts from the CDC (etc.)
that the news is neglecting to report

CDC: of the 161,392 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the U.S. over the last 6 months (02/01/20 – 08/22/20), 94% of them had an average of 2.6 comorbidities (or ‘additional causes of death’, as defined by W.H.O.); Only 6%, or approx. 9,700 people died exclusively from Covid-19); (accessed 8/31/20)

(please see post above to read PDF in entirety)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI


White House: University Southern Califonia & L.A. County Public Health study indicates Covid-19 case fatality rate is .1-.3 percent, similar to common flu

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=za77anxxM0I


World Health Organization: Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is very rare (6/8/20)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html


CDC: A positive Covid-19 Test result could just mean that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html


CDC: COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents, even if it’s only assumed to have caused, or contributed to death

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0aMmi5bjnfXwvUZDa8iv6sTPEyXu


CDC: no quantified virus isolates of the Covid-19 are currently available…test[ing] characterized [by] stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA [this is an admission that Koch’s Postulates were never met; i.e. they never isolated to identify the virus; that they’re not doing viral load tests (the only way to objectively prove infection), have nothing to compare the “Covid-19” tests they make people take too, but are instead amplifying genetic material (i.e. PCR test; whose inventor Kary Mullis said it should not be used to identify Infectious Disease) and calling ambiguous sections of people’s DNA/RNA “Covid-19”] (7/13/20)

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

States adopting “revised definition” for “Covid-19 Probable cases”: all contacts of those who’re “Covid-19 confirmed” get added to Covid-19 case count, as if they too are confirmed cases

https://banned.video/watch?id=5efab695672706002f367a0a


New York Times: Many people are now panicking, and some actually are exaggerating the risks, more than 80 percent of confirmed coronavirus cases are not severe, most cases mild

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/asia/coronavirus-treament-recovery.html


Government programs based on a provision in the CARES Act are paying hospitals more for treating patients who’re diagnosed with coronavirus

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-are-hospitals-paid-more-for-treating-coronavirus-patients/65-9ab9237b-24ac-4fee-b308-a7a71aae2bd1


Minnesota Senator, Dr. Scott Jensen MD: Through Medicare, hospitals get $13,000 for each Covid-19 Patient, $39,000 if they get put on a ventilator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AZM24srcY


Manufactured Pandemic: Testing People for Any Strain of a Coronavirus [which includes common cold/flu, American Medical Association Encyclopedia of Medicine], Not Specifically for COVID-19

https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781


Investigation Reveals Inflated Florida Coronavirus Numbers: Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health’s positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.;Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results


A Web site that tracks actual hospital beds in use suggests the model used by top White House health officials to project the trajectory of the coronavirus has so far overestimated the number of Americans hospitalized by the disease by tens of thousands


https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/white-houses-coronavirus-model-has-overestimated-tens-thousands#.XonqG482cZs.twitter

Georgia nurses file lawsuit, accusing hospitals of instructing them to swab incorrectly to give false results

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/ga-nurses-file-lawsuit-against-athens-hospital/85-69de7fcf-0959-45fa-bf25-61385230fe84


ICU nurse of 30 years: we’re being forced to inflate pandemic numbers – everything is “Covid-19”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgea5o3ALU&feature=emb_title


Dr. Scott Jensen (Minnesota Senator and MD): we’re being instructed to fill out death certificates with a diagnosis of Covid-19 whether the person actually died from Covid-19 or Not

https://twitter.com/chrisbergpov/status/1247680994821509121


Patients Speak Out: Receiving “Covid-19” Diagnosis without being tested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7lxn7BK2w&feature=emb_title


Video Compilation of Citizen Journalists going to hospitals and testing sites the media reports as being “overwhelmed” and finding them in fact empty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7X64Q_yWLw


Man Assaulted by Urgent Care CEO for filming video of empty “overwhelmed” Covid-19 testing location

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlClXwGzY-0


German Citizen Journalist goes to hospital ‘teeming with coronavirus patients’ – finds no one there

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XxeGUIBPVleu/


Amid “Pandemic,” Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers Just In April

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/10/853524764/amid-pandemic-hospitals-lay-off-1-4m-workers-in-april

Amid “pandemic”, New Viral video sensation takes internet by storm, evidently triggered by boredom: Dancing Nurses

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/world/iyw-health-care-professionals-dance-social-media-trnd/index.html


CBS Caught Using Footage from Italian Hospital in NYC Report

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cbs-admits-to-using-footage-from-italy-in-report-about-nyc/


Media Caught Using Dummy in “pandemic” footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtNH3OBBmL4


Duper’s Delight: “Nurse” being interviewed by JESUIT [Roman Catholic military Order/secret society] trained Chris Cuomo (Fordham University) on CNN; seemingly forgets her lines, can’t stop smiling, bursts out laughing, while talking about “number of dead” she’s “seen”

https://twitter.com/ECaTPanTHer/status/1245181682409279488


Crying US COVID-19 nurse video slamming poor working conditions slated as ‘fraudulent’

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1654491/media


‘It’s all fake!’: A Top Chinese official heckled by residents on visit to Wuhan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo81j6o97Z4


COVID-19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless: Though the whole world relies on RT-PCR to “diagnose” Covid-19, the science is clear: they are not fit for purpose, inventor PCR Test indicated inappropriate for detecting viral infection

https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/


Covid-19 test kits dismissed as faulty after returning positive results on samples taken from a goat and a Pawpaw fruit

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania/president-queries-tanzania-coronavirus-kits-after-goat-test-idUSKBN22F0KF


Video shows that as soon as the cameras are believed to be off, the press immediately takes off their masks

https://mobile.twitter.com/Z_Eats_Bacon/status/1260091180190240768


These were amassed over the last two years, and a couple were posted above, some of the videos may have been censored already sorry! and i will look and try to clean up when i have time!

ALSO MODS feel free to move or start thread or place in threads as you see fit anyway ... hope this serves to provide any who might need it some resources to



https://jordanmarkstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Fight-the-Good-Fight.jpg

[EarthGirl]

This made me smile for change today:

via twitter:

Neighbour last night - "Have you had the vaccine?"

My reply - "I wish, but I can't, I am in the control group, the one that shows if there are any side effects further down the line, when trials finish in 2023"

They looked at me shocked as they didn't know trial ends in 2023.

[helium]

This made me smile for change today:

via twitter:

Neighbour last night - "Have you had the vaccine?"

My reply - "I wish, but I can't, I am in the control group, the one that shows if there are any side effects further down the line, when trials finish in 2023"

They looked at me shocked as they didn't know trial ends in 2023.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is so perfect.

Wish I'd read this earlier today when the local hospital called me on the phone (again) to ask me if I've had the vaxx yet. They hire lots of young women who must work for peanuts while they chew their bubble gum. Not to disparage peanuts or bubblegum or young women, but if I told that caller that I was in the control group she would have been utterly baffled and now I would not be on the vaxx deniers list for informing the lady that she has no business interfering with the doctor-patient relationship.

Thank you.

I think I'm going to open up photoshop and design a formal looking card that states that I'm in control group xyz.

[Matthew]

...


CITIZEN JOURNALIST CALLS FUNERAL HOMES ABOUT COVID DEATHS

uqcCnKNk2rPg/

which leads to the efficacy of the actual test itself ... coming up after stats from the CDC itself

Wow, that video is a creator of doubt, ...great find iota!!!

[jaybee]

This made me smile for change today:

via twitter:

Neighbour last night - "Have you had the vaccine?"

My reply - "I wish, but I can't, I am in the control group, the one that shows if there are any side effects further down the line, when trials finish in 2023"

They looked at me shocked as they didn't know trial ends in 2023.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is so perfect.

Wish I'd read this earlier today when the local hospital called me on the phone (again) to ask me if I've had the vaxx yet. They hire lots of young women who must work for peanuts while they chew their bubble gum. Not to disparage peanuts or bubblegum or young women, but if I told that caller that I was in the control group she would have been utterly baffled and now I would not be on the vaxx deniers list for informing the lady that she has no business interfering with the doctor-patient relationship.

Thank you.

I think I'm going to open up photoshop and design a formal looking card that states that I'm in control group xyz.


on the subject of taking a humorous and playfully disrespectful approach to the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in - when they say.... no mask no entry.... or it's mandatory to wear a mask on these premises... etc

they haven't actually specified what kind of mask...

one of those Guy Fawkes ones could be quite amusing - what Anonymous wear and what the people had on in the closing scenes of V for Vendetta...

gZfvwNdXjfc


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)


David Lloyd stated: "The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I'm happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way."

If there was a problem with the little slit breathing hole - perhaps a teeny little mask could be stuck onto it...

I wonder if this has been done and did the people doing it get chucked out or was it accepted as a mask - which it is... and in fact more of a mask than those see through shields like a welder's mask thing that people wear that just about stops NOTHING one way or the other... maybe if someone sneezed about 6 inches away from their face it might stop something.... but apart from that...

[Delight]

Nurses in Ireland who wish to defer taking the jab are subjected to extreme bullying. The coercion is relentless.

IRELAND 4 x Nurse Whistleblowers SPEAK OUT (https://brandnewtube.com/v/xkmeG2)

[Delight]

From today... Mike Yeadon is trying to get his message across and he is being canceled by MSM.

1403049372166676481

This is the story that made him feel incandescent rage and sorrow.



Father & Son Athletes Both in ICU With Blood Clots After First Jab
June 3, 2021 (https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021/06/03/father-son-athletes-both-in-icu-with-blood-clots-after-first-jab/)

A few weeks after 6’9″ basketball center Everest Romney scored 18 points in a high school game, got the jab, and ended up in the ICU with blood clots in his brain, his father is now hospitalized weeks after the same first jab, with “countless” pulmonary blood clots like doctors have never seen before. I interview the mother and wife, Ch*rie R*mney, about “countless” tests they did on her son being negative; being lied about in the media; incompetent and dismissive doctors; and the fight ahead for her husband and son. (https://content.blubrry.com/high_vibration_life/Vibe_Romney_Family_Vaccine_Disaster.mp3)

Today Cherie is on the Highwire talking about the family experience. She is concerned that people are not able to make good decisions. Advice is inconsistent if you can even find it and media manipulates and suppresses information. Starts at 55:00

https://thehighwire.com/watch/

[Delight]

This speaker is amazing. Lied to, pressured, shamed, coerced, bullied, people know better but reluctantly accept a vaccine. All vaccines have risk and where there is risk, there must be a choice.


Dr. Shannon Lieberman Kroner has a Doctorate Degree in Clinical Psychology, a Master’s Degree in Special Education with a focus in Educational Therapy, and a Bachelor’s Degree in English.

Dr. Shannon Kroner | Religious Justification and the COVID-19 Vaccines (https://rumble.com/vhxqkh-dr.-shannon-kroner-religious-justification-and-the-covid-19-vaccines.html)

Religious freedom and vaccine choice

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[iota]

https://breaking911.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/261cb9f6-5b6a-481c-804a-95f8a8678b3a-large16x9_low_1616149574_MilleniumDroneSession10161-768x432.jpg

Passengers on first fully vaccinated North American cruise
test positive for COVID

June 10, 2021

"Two passengers aboard the first fully-vaccinated cruise ship in North America have tested positive for COVID-19.

Celebrity Millennium issued this statement Thursday:

“Today two guests sharing a stateroom onboard Celebrity Millennium tested positive for COVID-19 while conducting the required end of cruise testing. The individuals are asymptomatic and currently in isolation and being monitored by our medical team. We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation.

Celebrity Millennium is sailing with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests. All guests on Celebrity Millennium were required to show proof of vaccination as well as a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours before sailing from St. Maarten this past Saturday. This situation demonstrates that our rigorous health and safety protocols work to protect our crew, guests and the communities we visit.”

article here (https://breaking911.com/2-passengers-on-first-fully-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-for-covid/)

once again, COMPLETELY disproving OS's assertion that the "vaccination would save lives"

it can't even prevent getting COVID, which is supposedly what it was designed to do
:facepalm:

[Tintin]

Roger Hodkinson interviewed again for a third time here by Anna Brees and justifiably more enraged and strident than he usually is. It's typically very good.

This was on Youtube and was removed very quickly, within hours.

YdApPtO5KdGT

[Frankie Pancakes]

From The Burning Platform
The site is cluttered with ads so the copy/paste route.

THE PRICE FOR STANDING MY GROUND
A few days back I mentioned in a comment that I am not welcomed by my son-in-law, his family,
and my expectant daughter to join them in get-togethers unless I am fully ‘vaccinated’ because..it
makes them feel uncomfortable and unsafe for me to not be like them. I also will not be permitted
to see or be with not only my first grandchild, but also my, per sonogram, grandson that is due
October 7.
My SIL is in residency at a major, Level 1 teaching hospital, did two years of research in cancer
via a grant from NIH as part of his medical schooling, and is specializing in Radiology Oncology.
He has enormous influence therefore on my daughter and his family when it comes to all things
medical, as expected.
He wrote me a warmly presented email regarding how he determined that the ‘vaccines’ were
safe, and attached PDFs sections from drug companies and research papers that he thought were
pertinent to his giving a stamp-of-approval to take them. He also included a
personalized PDF showing his decision process with topical headings such as:
Hi K.., here’s my not so short rundown of the COVID vaccines:
How do you determine a drug is safe?
Having spent much of my PhD research learning about
transitional medicine, the practice of taking a drug from pre-
clinical studies to first in human clinical studies, I have good
experience in finding the sources that helped me be
confident that the COVID vaccines are safe. Here’s
an overview of how I did that.
The first step in determining if these vaccines are safe is
determining what’s in them.
For this, the best resource is the SDS, or Safety Data Sheet for
each of the vaccines. For the Pfizer vaccine, here is the
composition list:
Along with headings..
-Here’s where we come to the next question. How does it actually work?
-So we know how the mRNA vaccine works in theory, but how does it
work in practice?
-Finally we have the last question. How about the side effects?
And then lastly...-I know the last question that you may ask, which is What are the long
term side effect?
To that he wrote:
This is the only one that I can’t yet give a good answer to. From all the
research that I’ve done, there is no indication that any of the ingredients
in the vaccine or the effects of the mRNA on the body will have any long
term effects other than the immune system response. From what we’ve
seen with the clotting concerns about the J&J vaccine, they are still
keeping a close eye on the study participants and no new concerns have
come out about the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines. Only time will tell, but
based on decades of prior vaccine research, no significant long term
effects can be expected
He includes a host of colored graphs and pictures and took great care in
trying to explain his POV to someone who is not in the field of research. It’s
the same approach he takes when genuinely caring about and explaining to
his patients what is happening to them and what can or cannot be done.
The world would be a better place if all physicians had the bedside manner
my SIL does. He is extremely personable from the get-go; the kind of
human that someone cannot, not like. When my daughter and him met it
was...not kidding...love at first sight. When it comes to how he treats my
daughter, he’s every MIL’s dream.
I wrote him back thanking him for the information and sent him the link to
Dr. Peter McCullough’s video. When he sent me the PDFs he asked me to
keep an open mind.....I asked him to afford me the same when he,
hopefully, watches the video.
I knew I wasn’t going to change my mind about getting the shots, and I
fully anticipate them not changing theirs. That would mean I will have to
sacrifice a physical connection with my soon-to-arrive grandson. I decided
to stand my ground and be true to myself but....I sure am not looking
forward to October and the tears that will flow thereafter.
The following is the email I sent at 0200 today. R...>SIL, C...>Daughter
Hi R...,
I went over the material and focused on the research you personally did. I know
you would not have you, your wife, your family, nor me, take ‘vaccines’ that you
determined were unsafe. With all due respect, there are those of significant repute
with decades of research and experience who have reservations about or arein opposition to the administration of the COVID ‘vaccines’; an example would be
Dr. Peter McCullough’s perspective in the video I linked.
Because there are other therapies, e.g. Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, that have
proven to effectively treat COVID, I’m not convinced of the need to accept something
whose unusual speed per-the-norm production allows room to be questioned; not to
mention the abysmal numbers VAERS is registering in regards to side effects and
sentinel events. I’m led to wonder if, by past ‘vaccine’ standards, these numbers
occurred in trial-studies would they have ever made it to market; or again, in the
past, if the same data occurred while on the market, would have been quickly
withdrawn, unlike the three being offered.
There are also the dubious issues surrounding the origin and course of COVID’s
affects on the geo-political international/domestic levels. In addition to the
opportunity of providing venues to exercise the controlling of populations and their
compliance to said control, there was/is the stunning financial profits realized by Big
Tech, Big Pharma, Corporations; the unrelenting censorship by MSM, Social Media,
Big Gov, and the current administration towards all opposing narratives; then last
but not least...the EVENT 201 of 2018 that was done only 15 months prior to the
outbreak; all together I’m left with a justifiable conclusion that something seems
amiss.
The fear and uncomfortableness you, C..., and family have to me not being
‘vaccinated’ when in company is equal in proportion to the same fear and
uncomfortableness I have about submitting to the ‘vaccines’. The pain and sorrow I
will go through from not being able to see my grandson is proportional to the pain
and sorrow that my daughter would go through were I to, as requested, take the
‘vaccines’ and end-up becoming a sentinel statistic for VAERS. I’m not willing to take
that risk when there are valid medical alternatives to treating COVID. Although I
haven’t tested positive for COVID per the two screenings I have received, I will not
be concerned if I do acquire it as I have Ivermectin in stock as well as take the
supplements recommended to help ward off and/or get through its affects. There will
also be the added benefit of acquiring immunity.
This leads me to having cognitive dissonance in regards to taking the ‘vaccines’. Do
the ‘vaccines’ protect someone or not? If not fully protected by them, then why
take them? If someone is fully protected by them then, what is there to fear? If
someone has had COVID then is a ‘vaccine’ required? If so, why? Won’t that person
already have acquired immunity, which would seem to negate the need to acquire
further immunity from an experimental product having numerically unacceptable
side-affects, and deaths?
I’m making a reasonable assumption that neither sides’ decision will change. As
such, the only requests I have is that I am sent pictures and videos of the baby at
the very least, monthly; kept up on his milestones; and that cards and gifts sent to
him by me are graciously and lovingly accepted. I love you, C..., and your lovely
family beyond words. I know there is no malice associated with your collectivedecision regarding what you feel is needed from me to accommodate everyone so as
to be comfortable in my company.
The bottom line is I can’t in good conscience accept the current ‘vaccines’ with not
only the reservations I have about them, along with expectations of required booster
shots, and new ‘vaccines’ for any new variant of the virus that should occur, but
additionally the debatable necessity of them given that there are credible less risk-
value options available for treating it effectively.
Some day this COVID nightmare will fade into history and no longer threaten anyone.
I look forward to that time with great anticipation as it will hopefully open the door
for a reunion and the embracing of my grandchild that every Grandmother lives for.
All my love, and Namaste
K.../Mom

[Rawhide68]

-_NNTVJzqtY

Listen and watch, it's worth all 3h !

I sent the url to my older bro, who thinks of me being a conspiracytheorist LOL :happy dog:

I have had Bret Weinstein bookmarked for a long time, he's brother Eric even longer but he got pissed oF youtube and disapered, anyone know where to ?

As they chat between each other is how I would want my politicians men of power would have done it.


PS If this url is allready over the forum, wich I hope it has. feel fre to delete it. DS


Do Listen and watch, it's worth all 3h !

[Rawhide68]

wtOsLmjrb4k
He's former wife died 7 days after the "jabb".
He went so far to even get a private pathologist.

[Delight]

Roger Hodkinson interviewed again for a third time here by Anna Brees and justifiably more enraged and strident than he usually is. It's typically very good.

This was on Youtube and was removed very quickly, within hours.

YdApPtO5KdGT

That was great. This was just posted in German but some speakers are English. Dr. McCullough starts at 134:30 min.

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[Delight]

Dr. McCullough starts at 134:30 min.

OjhM3XRN5js

starting 1:54:00 Dr. McCullough talks about latest stats and malfeasance of CDC and others in position of authority. There are whistleblowers being developed. A couple of them have leaked data that shows the REAL NUMBER IS 10 FOLD, so deaths are already 50,000 Americans!

LISTEN to this... REAL BIOWEAPON payload in their opinion is the booster......

[Delight]

A different take on avoiding the vaccine. Two men BARELY escape being hit by a newly jabbed driver.

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[Delight]

Roger Hodkinson interviewed again for a third time here by Anna Brees and justifiably more enraged and strident than he usually is. It's typically very good.

This was on Youtube and was removed very quickly, within hours.

YdApPtO5KdGT

I think Dr. Roger Hodkinson is another great man.

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[leavesoftrees]

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/14/covid-19-vaccine-mistake.aspx

Researcher: 'We Made a Big Mistake' on COVID-19 Vaccine

STORY AT-A-GLANCE
Canadian immunologist and vaccine researcher Byram Bridle, Ph.D., has gained access to Pfizer’s biodistribution study from the Japanese regulatory agency.

The research, previously unseen, demonstrates a huge problem with all COVID-19 vaccines

The assumption that vaccine developers have been working with is that the mRNA in the vaccines would primarily remain in and around the vaccination site. Pfizer’s data, however, show the mRNA and subsequent spike protein are widely distributed in the body within hours
This is a serious problem, as the spike protein is a toxin shown to cause cardiovascular and neurological damage. It also has reproductive toxicity, and Pfizer’s biodistribution data show it accumulates in women’s ovaries
Once in your blood circulation, the spike protein binds to platelet receptors and the cells that line your blood vessels. When that happens, it can cause platelets to clump together, resulting in blood clots, and/or cause abnormal bleeding

Pfizer documents submitted to the European Medicines Agency also show the company failed to follow industry-standard quality management practices during preclinical toxicology studies and that key studies did not meet good laboratory practice standards

[onawah]

Judge Dismisses Vaccine Mandate Case (that story starts at about 9 minutes in)
15,750 views•Streamed live 3 hours ago
1.4K
44
NTD
1.33M subscribers

"00:00 NTD News Today—6/14/2021
01:26 Biden Agrees W/ Putin: We're at a Low Point
02:48 NATO Members Seek U.S. Reassurance
03:53 U.S. Monitoring Chinese Nuclear Plant Leak
04:35 G7 to Offer Alternative to Belt and Road
06:05 G7 Demands Virus Origin Investigation
07:19 U.S., UK Sign Charter Focusing on Red China
07:35 Mixed Reactions to the G7 Vaccine Plan
09:09 Judge Dismisses Vaccine Mandate Case
10:45 New Novavax Vaccine Over 90% Effective
11:35 A Movement to Defend the Constitution
13:18 Biden Drops More Trump Immigration Policy
14:05 Gov. Desantis Downplays VP Speculation
17:43 Will Newsom Survive the Recall?
20:03 Space Ride With Jeff Bezos Auctioned for $28mln
22:11 French Baker Makes Soccer-inspired Pastries
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[onawah]

This should work:
1403822115363622916
(Also posted in the discussion here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates&p=1434183&viewfull=1#post1434183



This VIDEO Is great to share with ALL who have NEEDED “official” sources before they would listen

Excellent video and definite validation for ALL of us who were ridiculed and mocked for expressing our concerns

[Satori]

Judge Dismisses Vaccine Mandate Case (that story starts at about 9 minutes in)
15,750 views•Streamed live 3 hours ago
1.4K
44
NTD
1.33M subscribers

"00:00 NTD News Today—6/14/2021
01:26 Biden Agrees W/ Putin: We're at a Low Point
02:48 NATO Members Seek U.S. Reassurance
03:53 U.S. Monitoring Chinese Nuclear Plant Leak
04:35 G7 to Offer Alternative to Belt and Road
06:05 G7 Demands Virus Origin Investigation
07:19 U.S., UK Sign Charter Focusing on Red China
07:35 Mixed Reactions to the G7 Vaccine Plan
09:09 Judge Dismisses Vaccine Mandate Case
10:45 New Novavax Vaccine Over 90% Effective
11:35 A Movement to Defend the Constitution
13:18 Biden Drops More Trump Immigration Policy
14:05 Gov. Desantis Downplays VP Speculation
17:43 Will Newsom Survive the Recall?
20:03 Space Ride With Jeff Bezos Auctioned for $28mln
22:11 French Baker Makes Soccer-inspired Pastries
⭕️Subscribe to our new YouTube channel 👉https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjz-...
⭕️Support us in our fight against censorship: https://donorbox.org/ntdtv
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I have read and have a copy of the Judge's order in the Texas case. It is about 4 pages, 5 if you count the caption and the signature page.

That judge is not only wrong on the facts and the law, he is an embarrassment to US District Court judges everywhere. The quality, or rather lack thereof, of his writing and analysis is below that of a first year law student.

The contempt he has for the Plaintiffs and their case oozes out of the so-called order. That is the same contempt he has for anyone standing up for their rights.

I suspect he got the jab and, by golly, if he did everyone has to. Misery loves company.

[Delight]

I have read and have a copy of the Judge's order in the Texas case. It is about 4 pages, 5 if you count the caption and the signature page.

That judge is not only wrong on the facts and the law, he is an embarrassment to US District Court judges everywhere. The quality, or rather lack thereof, of his writing and analysis is below that of a first year law student.

The contempt he has for the Plaintiffs and their case oozes out of the so-called order. That is the same contempt he has for anyone standing up for their rights.

I suspect he got the jab and, by golly, if he did everyone has to. Misery loves company.

I had heard the legal team has assumed this case would need to go to the Supreme Court. That bit about misery loves company is one human trait that terrifies me. I have seen many instances of it. It seems always to be covered by some reasonable explanation but is just plain sour grapes. I am not sure which sin covers never wanting others to flourish when you have not thrived (due to self limitations).

[Satori]

I have read and have a copy of the Judge's order in the Texas case. It is about 4 pages, 5 if you count the caption and the signature page.

That judge is not only wrong on the facts and the law, he is an embarrassment to US District Court judges everywhere. The quality, or rather lack thereof, of his writing and analysis is below that of a first year law student.

The contempt he has for the Plaintiffs and their case oozes out of the so-called order. That is the same contempt he has for anyone standing up for their rights.

I suspect he got the jab and, by golly, if he did everyone has to. Misery loves company.

I had heard the legal team has assumed this case would need to go to the Supreme Court. That bit about misery loves company is one human trait that terrifies me. I have seen many instances of it. It seems always to be covered by some reasonable explanation but is just plain sour grapes. I am not sure which sin covers never wanting others to flourish when you have not thrived (due to self limitations).

Yes, the lawyers expected to lose at the district court level. And, in an odd, and perhaps unintended way from the judge's standpoint, the Plaintiffs may have and easier case on appeal due to the poor quality of the order and the absence of a proper and legally correct elucidation of the basis for the dismissal.

My foray into the future on this is an assumption, of course, and also rests on the the higher court(s) doing the right thing. But, alas, what is now considered "right" is relative to the observers and actors.

[Matthew]

Covid jabs to become mandatory for care home staff in England
Exclusive: ministers considering extending compulsory vaccination measure to all NHS staff

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

Its coming for you and me next

[Delight]

Genocide. Magnetism explained (https://www.notonthebeeb.co.uk/drt-genocide)


Are you experiencing buffering? I'll try to fix this. Meanwhile The film is also here:
https://www.notonthebeeb.co.uk/drt-genocide

REFERENCE:
1.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/nanoparticles-brain/

2.
https://www.acrobiosystems.com/A1207-More-than-90%25-effective%3A-will-Pfizer%E2%80%99s-vaccine-be-released-by-the-end-of-the-year.html

3.
https://www.acrobiosystems.com/A1141-Positive-Phase-12-Study-Results-of-Pfizer-COVID-19-mRNA-Vaccine.html

4.
https://www.acrobiosystems.com/P3194-SARS-CoV-2-Spike-RBD-coupled-Magnetic-Beads.html

5.
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-magnetically-hydrogel-based-smart.html

More dosh = more films, and faster output.

On Odyssee

https://odysee.com/@NotOnTheBeeb:7/genocide-DrT:2

[muxfolder]

I just had a conversation with my mother. She's absolutely terrified when I said I'm not gonna take that stupid jab. She and my stepfather are waiting for another jab. I'm not sure what to think now.

[Rawhide68]

I have only a mother, 80 plus years old, havnt seen her for 2 years, she is afraid of seeing me, but she will get her second shot in a week or so , then she feels safe to see me ...
My older bro are bying food and lend his cat to her, so he plays along with this scamdemic.

I cant talk to either of them anymore, and I have neither cat girlfriend or workmates , my last friends was the silverfish in my bathroom
But May of 13th a big black spider showed up when I moved a blue plastic bucket from the wall in my tiny bathroom.
I miss the silverfish, they are .... Okidooky I'm mad Ill stop here. thanks to all of you out there , there is still hope!


IM NOT MAD!
Am I, Hahaha
:lock1::lock1::lock1::llama::baby::bump2::welcome::laser::lalala::lalala::lalala::lalala::lalala:
sWLdZFCMx8Y

Cudos to anyone who can find the lyrics for this song, made in the 80's but it feels so 2021 Covid 19
Thanks in advance I love you all !!!

"take away my family, take away my right to speak" I defenately heard that in the last fading seconds.

[janette]

I have only a mother, 80 plus years old, havnt seen her for 2 years, she is afraid of seeing me, but she will get her second shot in a week or so , then she feels safe to see me ...
My older bro are bying food and lend his cat to her, so he plays along with this scamdemic.

I cant talk to either of them anymore, and I have neither cat girlfriend or workmates , my last friends was the silverfish in my bathroom
But May of 13th a big black spider showed up when I moved a blue plastic bucket from the wall in my tiny bathroom.
I miss the silverfish, they are .... Okidooky I'm mad Ill stop here. thanks to all of you out there , there is still hope!


IM NOT MAD!
Am I, Hahaha
:lock1::lock1::lock1::llama::baby::bump2::welcome::laser::lalala::lalala::lalala::lalala::lalala:
sWLdZFCMx8Y

Cudos to anyone who can find the lyrics for this song, made in the 80's but it feels so 2021 Covid 19
Thanks in advance I love you all !!!

"take away my family, take away my right to speak" I defenately heard that in the last fading seconds.

Sorry to hear about your mum and brother. Must be very frustrating.. I know I am exhausted just trying get people to see through their blindness. I think I need to stop and just let it be 😔.. Your not mad,your silverfish tale made me smile😁... Gosh I had forgotten that song, brings it all back and very fitting for the times.. Much love to you rawhide 💜x

[Tintin]

Some serious food for thought here, unless this is a bluff, which I doubt:

https://twitter.com/InsaneinyerBane/status/1406227386388070402

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[Pam]

Some serious food for thought here, unless this is a bluff, which I doubt:

https://twitter.com/InsaneinyerBane/status/1406227386388070402

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That was an amazing find. I had to go to the site to see the context it was in. They just casually mention this in the middle of a bunch of other stock price trends. What a friggin insane world. Of course, how do they know that this inability to have babies will only last for 6 months? Is that what the overlords have told them? That would seem to defeat the goal of population reduction. I wonder how many fertile women that were planning on having babies there are that have taken this injection?

[janette]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

[Bill Ryan]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

[Brigantia]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

My heart breaks for you Janette; great advice from Bill. I've heard the same from my best friend with an 18 year old daughter at uni; she's getting it because everyone else is getting it.

On peer pressure, I can hear the voice of my dear mother when I was a kid - "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you do so too?".

What makes me mad is so many people asking you if you've had the vaxx, it seems such a normal topic of conversation to them. It's none of their business!!

[janette]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

[Tintin]

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

Janette: I've some more Mike Yeadon material to put in the library including the two most recent ones (with Del Bigtree and one other.)

If you wait a couple hours or so those will be in there but there are videos/audio with him already in the library (https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Coronavirus_%28Wuhan_2019-nCov%29/Mike_Yeadon_%28Dr.%29), just so you know :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

The 8 minute video with Dr Byram Bridle is really pretty good as well. He's NOT an anti-vaxxer. He just states that this one is way all wrong (and dangerous), and explains exactly why.

What may be most helpful is something short and self-contained — not a drawn-out hour and a half discussion.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK

nuM0G6PqgwIK

[Tintin]

The 8 minute video with Dr Byram Bridle is really pretty good as well. He's NOT an anti-vaxxer. He just states that this one is way all wrong (and dangerous), and explains exactly why.

What may be most helpful is something short and self-contained — not a drawn-out hour and a half discussion.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK

nuM0G6PqgwIK

And I can really recommend as well his 15 minute or so Covid-19 Symposium presentation. He's a viral immunologist to boot who is involved in vaccine development. Both what Bill has posted here, which is excellent by the way, and that symposium are shortlisted for library inclusion.

:flower:

[EarthGirl]

I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x


https://www.shadowcitizen.online/index.php/2021/03/11/episode-10-dr-andrew-kaufman-md-3-17-2021/

[wondering]

Janette, I PM'd you, but I am happy to hear about the gap year...being away from the peer pressure may be the best possible thing....🤞🤞🤞🤞

[Bill Ryan]

I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! :heart: — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list. :)

[EarthGirl]

I agree Bill No problem, honestly thanks for your thoughts, that's exactly what I would have written myself a few months back :heart:

But 'They' aren't going any slower with their agenda, in fact they are about to 'railroad' us ALL ... Folks I'm sorry if this is all a bit too much to take in, but what he said resonated with me and he made a point of not making it too 'technical' to understand.
So even a veritable 'layman' such as myself could understand what he was saying x



I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! :heart: — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list. :)

[Anna70]

I just learned from the thread about MTHFR mutations (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103915-MTHRF-gene-mutation-Methylation-pathways-and-other-related-genes.-Unable-to-produce-active-vitamin-B9-in-the-Body.&highlight=mthfr), that a great many people carry these, and as a result (amongst many other things) their body's ability to detox is compromised. It would seem to me that this would make them extra vulnerable to the contents of the jabs.

[janette]

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

Janette: I've some more Mike Yeadon material to put in the library including the two most recent ones (with Del Bigtree and one other.)

If you wait a couple hours or so those will be in there but there are videos/audio with him already in the library (https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Coronavirus_%28Wuhan_2019-nCov%29/Mike_Yeadon_%28Dr.%29), just so you know :flower:

Massive thanks Tintin x

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I agree Bill No problem, honestly thanks for your thoughts, that's exactly what I would have written myself a few months back :heart:

But 'They' aren't going any slower with their agenda, in fact they are about to 'railroad' us ALL ... Folks I'm sorry if this is all a bit too much to take in, but what he said resonated with me and he made a point of not making it too 'technical' to understand.
So even a veritable 'layman' such as myself could understand what he was saying x



I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! :heart: — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list. :)

Thank you Earthgirl x

[janette]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

My heart breaks for you Janette; great advice from Bill. I've heard the same from my best friend with an 18 year old daughter at uni; she's getting it because everyone else is getting it.

On peer pressure, I can hear the voice of my dear mother when I was a kid - "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you do so too?".

What makes me mad is so many people asking you if you've had the vaxx, it seems such a normal topic of conversation to them. It's none of their business!!

Thank you Brigantia..I've got myself together and am being proactive and sending her videos (not bombarding her though). I love being the awkward bugger at work who am the only one who hasn't had it. I do keep getting asked which I agree it isn't any of their business but I just say I'm not getting it as I don't trust it and even less the people who made it.xx

[Bassplayer1]

Boy, I'm annoyed!

My husband is having his second Pfizer shot tomorrow. He was chatting to a group of his professor colleagues and they were all laughing and bragging about how ill they were after the first shot - one guy said he felt so ill his wife was going to take him to hospital! They also said that because my husband didn't have symptoms after his first shot, he'll be really ill after the second. The whole thing is truly F@#$ed! The tone in their voices was almost like admiration and envy - one-upmanship. I'm not annoyed at him but his thoughtless friends.

This is absolutely not funny. It's horrifying! These are middle-aged and older 'academics' 'intellectuals' that seem to have something missing in their Commie brains. They're behaving like its some initiation rite-of-passage thing that kids do. I cannot believe older adults doing the teenage peer thing and it isn't funny or anything to brag about. People really are getting ill and dying!

I'm not happy about this and can only ask the Universe to protect him. I will also do what I can. It's sad that on this issue he listens to his friends/colleagues (I guess because they're academics and it gives them credibility) rather than me.

My husband and I had a disagreement about the jab over the weekend. He said to me "I won't force you to have the vaccine. The government will do that." This is disturbing. This is so wrong. The fact that he didn't even think about Government intervention being sinister and wrong. The irony is he's been fighting the system all his adult life ... until now! As I say, I'm not annoyed with him, and in this instance I'll keep quiet because if he's having another jab, I want to keep our home calm, happy and stress free. I want to help keep the frequency high.

Sorry for the rant!

I know there's a thread here about supporting those who have had the jab, but also, I think its equally as important for those of us who are un-jabbed but have partners who are jabbed to have support too!

Thank you for your patience and for 'listening.'

[Bassplayer1]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

This is lovely, sound advice Bill. Thank you. I guess this is invaluable. not only as a thoughtful way of talking things through with our loved ones and folk ready to get jabbed, but also, what you've expressed is helpful for those of us un-jabbed who have to navigate the awkward and frankly horrible "Which vaccine did you get?" conversation. This is something we can raise in our defence.

Janette, perhaps you could gently talk to your daughter about Eric Clapton and his thoughts on his daughters getting jabbed and infertility. Isn't it that the spike protein is nearly identical to a protein that helps attach the fetus to the womb lining? I'm sure I read that earlier on.

[Franny]

If people haven't had the jab, this will convince some to run, not walk, to their nearest vax center with a huge smile. Others will simply cringe and turn it off as quickly as possible with a sigh of relief.

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1405601570088161281


Where do they find grown up, mature adults that will do this, and how much do they have to pay to get them to sign up for it?

[Anna70]

Why are all these pro-jab song videos so incredibly creepy? Brrrrr.....

[Brigantia]

If people haven't had the jab, this will convince some to run, not walk, to their nearest vax center with a huge smile. Others will simply cringe and turn it off as quickly as possible with a sigh of relief.

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1405601570088161281

Where do they find grown up, mature adults that will do this, and how much do they have to pay to get them to sign up for it?

Oh, that is so cringeworthy... if they dressed up as daleks and sang "Exterminate", it would be closer to the truth.

[Mike Gorman]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

The 'highwire' with Del BigTree is a solid production, and he has a channel on Bitchute which you can subscribe to and browse many topics concerning SARS-Cov2 and the Vaccine: this one is a couple of weeks old from Mike Yeadon, Mike is interviewed regularly on this Highwire show: 8KLmLNzkVD2k/

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Because of the particular interest I have in Ireland, I looked up in detail what was mentioned in the post below (post #204 from April 14th).

My conclusion is that this was only "true" for a period of two weeks, which ended on May 4th.

Of course, what was "temporary" can well become permanent at another time. Still, I have no idea how this would be implemented or "controlled".

While good information is needed, we should also keep the details in mind I think.

Citation, commencement and operation
1. (1) These Regulations may be cited as the Health Act 1947 (Section 31A
- Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) Regulations 2021.
(2) These Regulations, other than Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3),
shall come into operation on the 12th day of April 2021 and shall have effect
for the period beginning on that date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021.
(3) Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3) shall come into operation on the
19th day of April 2021 and shall have effect for the period beginning on that
date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021.


From post #204:

There is a rumour that Ireland has passed a law which will criminalise unvaccinated people mixing with vaccinated people in their own homes


@Rainbowandsteel
Ireland passed a law which will criminalise unvaccinated people mixing with vaccinated people in their own homes https://gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-v...d-19-pandemic/
10:49 pm · 13 Apr 2021


I don't follow Irish politics, but saw this on twitter. Does anyone follow Irish politics closely enough to know if this is true?

Somebody asked them to clarify their tweet in the comments and they responded with this:
Go to the S.I. No. 168 doc - go to pages 11-13, various restrictions eg "the event is attended only by vaccinated persons"
source: comment tweet

I suspect it is true, but there's always hoping it's not

[janette]

I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

This is lovely, sound advice Bill. Thank you. I guess this is invaluable. not only as a thoughtful way of talking things through with our loved ones and folk ready to get jabbed, but also, what you've expressed is helpful for those of us un-jabbed who have to navigate the awkward and frankly horrible "Which vaccine did you get?" conversation. This is something we can raise in our defence.

Janette, perhaps you could gently talk to your daughter about Eric Clapton and his thoughts on his daughters getting jabbed and infertility. Isn't it that the spike protein is nearly identical to a protein that helps attach the fetus to the womb lining? I'm sure I read that earlier on.

Hi Bassplayer1 yes I watched the Eric Clapton video recently which might be helpful as he was thinking he was doing the right thing too and now he can't play guitar. The turnaround from him being willing too really regretting taking it is all too real to deny ..Thank you. My heart goes out to re your husband taking the jab 💜I've been doing alot of asking the universe for her protection too and anybody else who's taken it..in this life and beyond xx sending you positive healing 💖xx

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I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔:heart:

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:
Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

:flower:

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

The 'highwire' with Del BigTree is a solid production, and he has a channel on Bitchute which you can subscribe to and browse many topics concerning SARS-Cov2 and the Vaccine: this one is a couple of weeks old from Mike Yeadon, Mike is interviewed regularly on this Highwire show: 8KLmLNzkVD2k/

Many thanks Mike x

[Pam]

I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! :heart: — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list. :)

There is a huge amount of wisdom in your post, Bill. If the immediate goal is to stop or at least delay injection it is way too much to go into things that took many of us years to digest, (in fact I am still working on some of them). There are quite a few courageous mainstream scientists speaking out now and they should more than suffice initially to at least question the validity of the lies they are being fed.Just being labeled the dreaded "antivaxxer" is enough for many to totally dismiss accurate facts. Besides, once the process of awakening is begun the progression of understanding seems to happen organically.

[Delight]

Pilots are pressured and threatened... Why are people being forced at all?

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[janette]

I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.

[Brigantia]

I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.

No no no Janette, not your fault at all... you did what you could but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The peer pressure out there is unbelievably crushing and she's free to make her own choices, but I really feel for you and I bet you're the best mum ever.

Maybe stress that once it's done it can't be undone?

Big hugs. x

[avid]

I sympathise entirely, but they are supposedly ‘grown up ‘ now, so you’ve done your best, cried into your pillow, you’ve not failed at all, just that peer pressure, damned media blackmail are at fault. A curse on those responsible for this evil purveyed on us all now. Keep strong xx

[janette]

I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.

No no no Janette, not your fault at all... you did what you could but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The peer pressure out there is unbelievably crushing and she's free to make her own choices, but I really feel for you and I bet you're the best mum ever.

Maybe stress that once it's done it can't be undone?

Big hugs. x

Yes that's exactly it. Once that needle goes in you can't go back. What's upsetting more than anything though is what Trisha (think it was trisha,sorry if not ) about losing your connection to God ..but wouldn't the prime creator make us souls in a way that nothing or no one can sever that bond ..I think I know in my heart that's true 💜xx

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I sympathise entirely, but they are supposedly ‘grown up ‘ now, so you’ve done your best, cried into your pillow, you’ve not failed at all, just that peer pressure, damned media blackmail are at fault. A curse on those responsible for this evil purveyed on us all now. Keep strong xx

Thank you Avid 💜x

[RunningDeer]

Retired vet, SSG. Douglas M. Ducote suffers with a traumatic brain injury. His medication is running out and it's time to renew the prescription. His appointment was scheduled for Monday until he received a call from the doctor’s office where he's been treated for the last 6 years.



”They called me today and asked if i had received the covid vaccination. I said “no” and i'm not going to. They said well we're sorry to tell you but we're no longer going to see any patients unless they have the covid vaccine.”




SSG. Douglas M. Ducote Sr.
United States Army (Ret.)
Founder/Veterans United For Justice
Veteran Law Enforcement Officer





June 17, 2021

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[pyrangello]

There is an all out assault to get everyone jabbed. There are commercials on the TV, on the radio, just saw another one on the gas pump tv screen while I was pumping gas. Its like a slow drip on your head until you say uncle. I cannot believe the video above with the retired vet. WTF.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/weird-video-nurse-shows-friend-how-vax-spot-can-be-scanned-with-rfid-scanner
WEIRD Video: Nurse Shows Friend How Vax Spot Can Be Scanned with RFID Scanner

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/guy-got-the-jab-then-adverse-reaction-hospital-bill-58-182-69
Guy Got the "Jab" - Then Adverse Reaction, Hospital, Bill $58,182.69

What's even more concerning is all the politicians are saying everything is back to normal, no more masks, its summer, And their treating this like an insatiable appetite to jab and jab more like they are insane , WHEN THE SCIENCE supports nothing at this point for an experimental test of something in a tube that they want to inject you with. If it doesn't seem right , you are correct, it isn't right, none of this makes any sense. I always say "Never Assume" , every time you do it ends up in trouble.

There are many however that are awake , this was today in england!
Hundreds of Thousands Take to the Streets in London to Protest And Fight for Their Children- over 500 thousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/hundreds-of-thousands-take-to-the-streets-in-london-to-protest-and-fight-for-their-children/

[Delight]

Steve Kirsch was a man who was jabbed and all of his daughters were jabbed and it galvanized him to try to help humanity.

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[RunningDeer]

Steve Kirsch was a man who was jabbed and all of his daughters were jabbed and it galvanized him to try to help humanity. Tweet (https://t.co/S9yGCjoWbh).

Are the Covid-19 vaccines “safe and effective”?




Steve Kirsch
June 16, 2021

Are there any risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized on an emergency use basis by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)?  Presently three genetic-based vaccines have been authorized via the emergency order including two mRNA-based vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech) as well as the adenovirus-based Johnson and Johnson product.  Developed at historical speed under Operation Warp Speed, the mRNA-based technology foretells enormous implications for healthcare including the prospect of vaccines for cancer. 

An amazing research prowess has unfolded in response to the COVID-19 pandemic heralding profound breakthroughs that’ll benefit society for years to come.  Governmental authorities have declared the vaccines both safe and effective and as TrialSIte recently reported based on a change of law that waives the need for informed consent with investigational products.  Both the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and FDA have declared that the risk-benefit analyses strongly indicate the risks of not getting a vaccination outweigh any risk of vaccination.

They argue that the risks associated with COVID-19 are materially greater.  Moreover, health authorities are on record that there is absolutely no correlation associated with the COVID-19 vaccines to any deaths as indicated by the CDC declaration. But have they sufficiently probed and pursued granular investigation into their own data? Have they undertaken the comprehensive  analyses associated with what in the CDC VAERS is now close to 6,000 deaths.  Are all of these unrelated to the vaccines?

Steve Kirsch, the founder and executive director of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund (CETF),  a regular contributor to the TrialSite recently conducted a more systematic and thorough analysis of the VAERS and CDC adverse event and death numbers reported in conjunction with the COVID-19 vaccines. 

The results are disturbing to say the least.  TrialSite offers no opinion here other than the presentation of the highly successful MIT-trained engineer who has invested millions of his own funds into early stage treatment options targeting COVID-19. What follows is a summary of his deep dive into VAERS presented in this video.



The Presentation

The Kirsch presentation starts with an introduction to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System known as VAERS with a review of some key indicators including reported deaths. Open to the public, he reveals by June 4th the following adverse events were associated with the COVID-19 vaccines:


https://i.imgur.com/x3udA6u.jpg



A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.




@ 12:15 into the presentation Mr. Kirsch reveals a data distribution revealing a dramatic spike in deaths associated with the COVID-19. Moreover in this data analysis it’s revealed that the majority of deaths occur closer to the actual time of the vaccination event indicating a higher probability of a causal relationship.

@ 12:49 he presents the data findings indicating that overwhelming the incidents of heart attacks associated with the VAERS COVID-19 vaccine spike within a day to three days after the vaccination event.  He also emphasizes that the indication of Myocarditis/Pericarditis actually increases with vaccination as age decreases which is counter intuitive in that young people should have less probability of experiencing such heart related troubles. Is the vaccine causally connected to this data?

@ 15:51 in the presentation Kirsch depicts again the growing numbers of deaths corresponding to the release of the vaccines under emergency use authorization by mid-December 2020. At

@ 18:55 he reveals a corresponding increase in excess deaths reported by the CDC. 

Kirsch goes on @ 26:13 to discuss the imperative to consider a time out in the process to at least investigate these safety data signals. 

@ 28:09 Kirsch raises the imperative for informed consent under the Declaration of Helsinki. Although as TrialSite reported the law was changed in 2016 thus waiving the need for informed consent with investigational products deemed safe.

@ 32:22 Mr. Kirsch discusses early treatment options for COVID-19.  He shares that considerable research has gone on pointing to a number of potential treatments for early onset COVID-19 that can serve to help combat COVID-19. 

A risk-benefit comparison @ 41:50 showcases at least one argument that early stage treatments currently under study should be accelerated.

The presenter offers a plethora of other information that merits review for those interested in a debate on this topic.

Kirsch commented on the findings “The narrative is that the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective but the truth is that the data points to an otherwise alternative conclusion.”  Kirsch declared that “if anyone was paying attention they would have picked up these safety signals by the end of January.”

article continues (https://trialsitenews.com/are-the-covid-19-vaccines-safe-and-effective/)



https://vimeo.com/563683542

[Kryztian]

All the forces of corporatism unite to help you get your delicious vaccination along with your along with your GMO-filled factory farmed "Happy Meal." :facepalm:

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[s7e6e]

All the forces of corporatism unite to help you get your delicious vaccination along with your along with your GMO-filled factory farmed "Happy Meal." :facepalm:

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These people are brain dead. I almost want to say they deserve what's coming to them. I'm that upset with this whole situation. But they do not deserve it. They've been tricked into believing they are getting treatment or preventing treatment. How about those enforcing this genocide? Just because they've been tricked into this madness as well, that absolves them from accountability?

[Hym]

This is another significant callout for taking action in support of those employees of industries, unions included, that are mandating taking a shot in order to continue in their careers:

From The New Mexico Freedoms Alliance, June 28, 2021:

"Dear supporters of freedom in New Mexico,

This is a CALL FOR ACTION related to segregation and discrimination based on vaccination status at Sandia National Labs.
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THE SITUATION: Sandia National Labs has implemented policies that punish employees who have not received the COVID-19 injections. Vaccinated employees receive incentives such as money towards healthcare and lanyards that say, “Because I’m essential, I’m Vaccinated.” Meanwhile, unvaccinated employees:

*must wear masks and stay socially distanced, even at offsite team celebrations
*must wear masks in government vehicles, even if alone in the vehicle
*must undergo ongoing COVID-19 testing
*must undergo daily health screening
*must undergo COVID-19 testing 1-3 days before out-of-state travel
*must quarantine for 7-10 days upon return from out-of-state travel, with the quarantine time coming out of vacation time, flextime, or unpaid leave
are not allowed to participate in team award photos

In addition to being discriminatory, Sandia’s policies are leading to a hostile work environment. People are getting vaccinated against their own will because of the discriminatory and coercive policies. Unvaccinated people are being snitched on for breaking any of the above protocols. Unvaccinated employees are being shamed and bullied by vaccinated employees.

Legal action is being pursued through New Mexico Stands Up. However, legal action is notoriously slow and many employees’ livelihoods and health are at-stake in the meantime.

It is best to make your own email unique rather than just pasting this whole list into your message.

All people have a right to make their own medical choices, free from coercion, threats, or discrimination.

It is discriminatory to require only unvaccinated employees to wear masks and socially distance.

Sandia touts itself as being supportive of inclusion and diversity, yet these policies are discriminating against people who may choose not to undergo COVID-19 injections.

If COVID-19 vaccinations are effective, then the vaccinated have no reason to be concerned about whether or not others are vaccinated.

The CDC has acknowledged that none of the COVID-19 injections have been properly tested on pregnant or nursing women, people with autoimmune disease, or immunocompromised people.

The CDC has specifically warned that people with allergies should not receive the COVID-19 injections.

The clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccines are ongoing, and there are no long-term safety studies on COVID-19 vaccines. It is unknown whether there are negative effects that may develop 6 months from now, a year from now, or longer.

All three of the COVID-19 injections utilize technology that has not previously been approved for use in vaccines.

Many people already have robust natural immunity from previous COVID-19 infection and therefore have no reason to take the vaccination.
There are other effective and safe strategies for prevention and treatment of COVID-19."

Source:
http://xn5m6.mjt.lu/nl2/xn5m6/0q0y.html?m=AU8AADSedvwAAAAOdJQAABAo5EYAAAAA3MAAAI8TABYAzgBg2eQ4XBtoR5UGTPGbFI2LXdPNrAAVuHc&b=23d99ef0&e=8d61e013&x=1wDzytbERdvWO-vcvogfiKssR4EyQOWV6tsByL-0vmo

(Within the article there are listings of those who may be contacted at S.L. to voice your concerns.)

My comments:

As I have friends who've retired from this and other labs, I doubt they are surprised by any of this. Whatever anyone has assumed to be any amount of personal protection or freedoms under any law in the u.s. or internationally, as an employee of a corporate controlled laboratory that exerts its control over all governmental regulatory agencies, state and federal, the illusions you've long held should now be gone.

This has nothing to do with your nda's, nor should they ever be violated without legal cause, a matter only you and your conscience can address. This is about you and your humanity, your right to choice and your health, your duty to the oaths you may have taken and the future of the generations that follow YOU.

[Matthew]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5JlN2NVUAgGZfP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

source financial times (https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&areas=can&areas=ind&cumulative=0&doses=total&populationAdjusted=1)

[I am B]

THE SITUATION: Sandia National Labs has implemented policies that punish employees who have not received the COVID-19 injections. Vaccinated employees receive incentives such as money towards healthcare and lanyards that say, “Because I’m essential, I’m Vaccinated.” Meanwhile, unvaccinated employees:

*must wear masks and stay socially distanced, even at offsite team celebrations
*must wear masks in government vehicles, even if alone in the vehicle
*must undergo ongoing COVID-19 testing
*must undergo daily health screening
*must undergo COVID-19 testing 1-3 days before out-of-state travel
*must quarantine for 7-10 days upon return from out-of-state travel, with the quarantine time coming out of vacation time, flextime, or unpaid leave
are not allowed to participate in team award photos

.

The question here is:
Why are they afraid of unvaccinated people if they are? Shouldn't they be immune to it? Whats the point of vaccination if they're still afraid of the illness?

Idk if I'm missing something or I'm stupid, but I just can't wrap myself around that one

[Pam]

Dr. Peter McCullough warns: Covid vaccinations of pregnant women an "atrocity" and "shameful"

https://www.brighteon.com/fc2aa0fe-eae0-4c32-bc23-47e6b6ab9d97

This interview with Mike Adams and Dr. McCuliough is a gem even if you have seen others by this most courageous man. I highly recommend.

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[Hym]

A question by I am B:

"The question here is:
Why are they afraid of unvaccinated people if they are? Shouldn't they be immune to it? Whats the point of vaccination if they're still afraid of the illness?

Idk if I'm missing something or I'm stupid, but I just can't wrap myself around that one."

The fact is that the shot is not a vaccine.

It has been stated by the shot creators and the sales force in government getting well paid to sell it that the shot will only reduce the severity of the symptoms and, by the obvious negative space created by inference, cannot prevent the spread or acquisition of any virus. It's an in-your-face rebuke of the science it purports to represent.

We then know that by clinical definition it is not a vaccine, as a vaccine supposedly prevents the spread and the acquisition of a viral pathogen. It's always been about controlling a population and not ever about the true prevention of any illness.

It is also a fact that, as you have stated, a real vaccine would prevent the vaccinated from the harm that any real, novel (not man made), naturally occurring virus would present. The opposite is the truth in many ways.

The unvaccinated, or more directly stated, those whose immune systems and natural biological strengths have not been injured by vaccines, spread and shed only a minute amount of harmful matter because their own systems have the strengths to neutralize any attacks before the then altered pathogens are excreted from their bodies and possibly infecting anyone else. It is why we are even here, alive as a species on this planet.

The diabolical, greed based attack that has earnestly been directed upon humanity for the last 170 years, in the form of patented vaccinations and pharmaceuticals, along with the immoral attack on herbology, fundamental nutrition, electromagnetic awareness, and the needs of a healthy, socially engaged heart, where there is never any social distance-implied or direct.....

Is all in direct opposition to the very strengths that our biology has evolved into becoming, forever, genetic alterations notwithstanding...

These newer, draconian mandates (an apt term when you realize where it comes from) negate the basic strengths of human biological survival. It cannot be more clear than that.

[RunningDeer]

A man’s injection site glows under blacklight, also there’s a spot on the arm and a portion of the vein lights up on his hand. I wasn’t able to find the original tiktok. I created the snapshots from Max Igan’s vid @ 19 minutes (https://www.bitchute.com/video/OFeIeocfflEr/).


https://i.imgur.com/Jo0pVzX.jpg

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Surprise ending. (23 seconds) http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/laugh-pound.gif http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/laugh-point.gif


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https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1411951384912613380

Off topic but worth the watch. (34 seconds) http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/im-ok.gif


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https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1412291457390727168

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A man’s injection site glows under blacklight, also there’s a spot on the arm and a portion of the vein lights up on his hand. I wasn’t able to find the original tiktok. I created the snapshots from Max Igan’s vid @ 19 minutes (https://www.bitchute.com/video/OFeIeocfflEr/).


https://i.imgur.com/Jo0pVzX.jpg

Update and thanks to mojo for this vid.


OMG… More news about the glowing arm… Dr Tenpenny's interview needs to be heard by everywhere and to pass this information on. She shares so much its really not fair to pull out pieces and she answers lots of questions you would like to know about I'm sure. A must listen folks…

The specific glow on the arm is at 11 minutes.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Goes FULL TRUTH With Explosive Based Fact
Spew on 'Stew Peters Show’ (27 min)




Stew Peters was joined by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, and the conversation was an absolute revelation of exactly what's happening with the so-called ‘vaccines'.

www.StewPeters.tv
www.DrTenpenny.com


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[RunningDeer]

Almost 15 million Americans have skipped their second COVID-19 shot



July 7, 2021




Sentara Healthcare is taking vaccines to the people to bring that number down. They're setting up on beaches and at parties with some live music.

HAMPTON, Va. — The CDC says about 15 million Americans have skipped their second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. That’s more than one in 10 people.

Now, the delta variant has become the dominant strain in the country and healthcare workers say it’s more important than ever to get that shot.

"The second does help to provide that full immunity for COVID," said Jillian Carpenter with Sentara Family and Internal Medicine.

With just one dose, you’re only about 80 percent protected against the virus. 

Sentara Healthcare workers are setting up across Hampton Roads to encourage more people to get both of their shots. On Wednesday, they were at Paradise Ocean Club with vaccines and some music.

“We have to go where the people are. It’s so important that people see vaccine distribution everywhere,” said Gaylene Kanoyton, with Celebrate Healthcare.

Sherman Kittrell said he was hesitant about the vaccine but ultimately decided to go for it and come back for round two.
"I wanted to make sure that I was safe for the community and protect my family and make sure they didn’t get coronavirus."

Carpenter said with the delta variant spreading quickly, people have got to get their shot.

"That way you don’t end up in the hospital or in the ICU or even from any life-sustaining treatments that you might then encounter from not receiving the vaccine.”

Kanoyton said they don’t plan on stopping.

"We’ve been on Buckroe Beach, we’ll probably go to Virginia Beach, go to picnics, parties... we will be where the people are and the vaccine will be there too.”

Every Wednesday in July, they are sponsoring "Live Music Wednesday @ the Beach" to make getting the shot fun.

The CDC considers a second dose “missed” if more than 42 days have passed since that initial shot. The number of people skipping out has actually gone up by about 10 million since April.

People who miss the window for getting their second dose of Pfizer or Moderna don’t need to start over, according to the CDC. It’s better late than never.

article (https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/almost-15-million-americans-skipped-second-covid-19-shot/291-54128990-c02a-4178-b1ea-51fea238c4d6)

[mojo]

Fox news reporting:

Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra said Thursday it was "absolutely the government's business" to know which Americans haven't been vaccinated yet against the coronavirus.

Responding to GOP criticisms of the Biden administration's planned "door-to-door" campaign to encourage unvaccinated Americans to inoculate themselves, Becerra told CNN the government has had to "spend trillions of dollars to try to keep Americans alive during this pandemic."


"So it is absolutely the government's business, it is taxpayers' business, if we have to continue to spend money to try to keep people from contracting COVID and helping reopen the economy," he said.

I apologize for the response they get at my door ahead of time...

[gord]

I think I'm just going to have write off my entire family.

[onawah]

Biden Sending Fed Agents Door To Door To Push Vaccinations
Ben Swann Truth in Media
7/9/21
https://ise.media/video/biden-sending-fed-agents-door-to-door-to-push-vaccinations-113.html

"President Biden has a new plan for getting more people vaccinated... sending government employees door to door. The Administration is pretending that they are doing this to make sure that everyone who wants a v@cc can get one.. but is that really what they are doing? Or is this about making sure that everyone who doesn't want one, still gets one?"

https://mjhbpbsuxizn.ent-cdn.com/videos/6/0/e/8/5/60e85d912d5ce.mp4

https://mjhbpbsuxizn.ent-cdn.com/videos/6/0/e/8/5/60e85d912d5ce.mp4

[Harmony]

I think I'm just going to have write off my entire family.


Hey Gord,


Let us hold hope that things could change and people will find alternate help that can bring our families and friends help if they are not well.:heart:

[Matthew]

Here we go

https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1414631564730843137

Claire Fox Retweeted, Mark Harper (twitter @Mark_J_Harper)
The Commons will tomorrow be asked to vote on ‘draft Health and Social Care Act 2008 (Regulated Activities) (Amendment) (Coronavirus) Regulations 2021’

Sounds fairly innocuous, no?

These are actually the Regulations to bring in compulsory vaccination - not just for care staff…

[Matthew]

Here we go
...
These are actually the Regulations to bring in compulsory vaccination - not just for care staff…

They're already creeping the forced vaccinations for care home staff into forced vaccinations for non-payroll staff e.g. workmen fixing the plumbing - at least that's how I understand it at the moment. Sorry, should have given a better summary

[Ratszinger]

Here we go

https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1414631564730843137

Claire Fox Retweeted, Mark Harper (twitter @Mark_J_Harper)
The Commons will tomorrow be asked to vote on ‘draft Health and Social Care Act 2008 (Regulated Activities) (Amendment) (Coronavirus) Regulations 2021’

Sounds fairly innocuous, no?

These are actually the Regulations to bring in compulsory vaccination - not just for care staff…

No they can't get away with that I mean after all it was the left that is the ones behind, "MY BODY MY CHOICE" right? They need to be reminded again is all because any law abhorrent to the constitution is null and void!

[EarthGirl]

You and me both gord, it just doesn't bare thinking about... Uuggghhhh ...


I think I'm just going to have write off my entire family.

[EarthGirl]

Fellow Avalon members , lets all take a deep breath and realise this is DESPERATION on their part, they have been told by their 'Overlords' it's now or never...

I have never seen a fear level pushed so HIGH for the populace for something that they can't even PROVE...

Laugh like you've never laughed before at the absurdity of it all...

Hugs x

[I am B]

France has just forbidden going to bars, clubs and public events without vaccine passport and are going to make PCRs paid for (which are necessary for preety much anything specially from now on, and definetly not cheap).

Spain has forbidden eating and drinking at public spaces and has closed clubs and bars at midnight, with 10 people together max.

If this wasn't worrying enough, we're halfway through july, which is the "lightest" time of the year and there is no prospect of it getting lighter anytime soon. I'm seeing mandatory vaccination or extreme discrimination (if possible) before the end of the year.

And, I'm genuinely considering with my girl to emigrate to texas or some southern red state. Europe is almost gone and I'm really not sure people will stand aganist this at this point anymore.

[onawah]

Is the (US) Government Coming to Your Door this Week to Pressure You to take the COVID Shots? Here is What You Need to Know
7/11/21
https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/is-the-government-coming-to-your-door-this-week-to-pressure-you-to-take-the-covid-shots-here-is-what-you-need-to-know/
http://https://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/Violators-prosecuted-no-tresspassing.jpg

by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

"As we reported last week https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/well-go-door-to-door-biden-launching-campaign-to-compel-unvaccinated-americans-to-get-jab/
..., the Biden Administration announced a new campaign to target Americans who have not yet taken any of the of the experimental, non-FDA approved COVID-19 shots.

This campaign includes “going door to door.”

Since this announcement last week, there has been a lot of information published as to just what this means, in both the alternative media, as well as the corporate media.

As can be expected, the issue has been politicized, so what this actually means when you read things in the corporate media will depend on if that media outlet’s reporting tends towards the left, or towards the right.

Let’s start with what the Biden Administration has actually said in public.

Facing a nationwide backlash after it was announced that the government was going to be going door-to-door in neighborhoods with “low COVID-19 vaccination rates,” which seemed to suggest that the government was keeping a database of those who are vaccinated and those who are not with the COVID-19 shots, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Xavier Becerra originally buckled down and stated on CNN:

“Perhaps we should point out that the federal government has had to spend trillions of dollars to try to keep Americans alive during this pandemic, so it is absolutely the government’s business. It is taxpayers’ business if we have to continue to spend money to try to keep people from contracting COVID and helping reopen the economy,” Becerra told CNN on Thursday.

Becerra claimed that “knocking on a door has never been against the law” and “you don’t have to answer, but we hope you do.” He added, “Because if you haven’t been vaccinated, we can help dispel some of those rumors you’ve heard and hopefully get you vaccinated.” (Source: The Epoch Times https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-health-secretary-absolutely-the-governments-business-to-know-who-gets-vaccinated_3892740.html)

This, of course, did nothing to cool down angry Americans about the prospect of federal agents coming to their door and asking about their vaccination status, so the backlash actually seemed to be stepped up a notch after this CNN interview, prompting him to Tweet:

"Some comments I made today are being taken wildly out of context. To be clear: government has no database tracking who is vaccinated. We’re encouraging people to step up to protect themselves, others by getting vaccinated. It’s the best way to save lives and end this pandemic."

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki also seemed to be trying to contain the fallout from the “door-to-door” announcement and addressed the issue in a Press Conference last week. Business Insider reported
https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-federal-government-wont-mandate-covid-19-vaccine-passports-2021-4:


'White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Tuesday made clear that the federal government will not require Americans to carry proof of their COVID-19 vaccination status in order to travel and generally attend events.

“The government is not now nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential,” Psaki told reporters during a news conference.

'There will be no federal vaccinations database, and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential.'"

That was on April 6th. On April 7th, Psaki was apparently still dealing with the issue as Yahoo News reported https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-defends-door-door-201356159.html :

"The White House Wednesday sought to clarify its new door-to-door coronavirus vaccine push amid fresh criticism from the right that the home visit approach is government overreach.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki stressed Wednesday that no one from the federal government will be showing up at Americans’ doors mandating coronavirus vaccinations.

Rather, the personal visits President Biden announced Tuesday are designed to share information on vaccinations as the White House aims to still reach its Fourth of July goal of having 70% of the adult population jabbed."

Politicizing the issue, the Republican Right reacted very quickly, almost as if on script.

U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, a Republican Senator from Texas, immediately introduced a bill that would “prohibit the federal government from creating and maintaining a federal database of every American who has received COVID-19 vaccines.” (Source https://www.timesnews.net/news/national/federal-bill-would-ban-vaccine-database-in-response-to-biden-s-door-to-door-pledge/article_2b65d13d-b786-59d7-84ee-c0057f6550d7.html)

Some State Governors from Red States came out right away and opposed the “door-to-door” initiative.

South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster published a letter that he sent to the State Board of Health opposing the effort. Here is a copy of the letter:

https://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/Henry-McMaster.jpg

Other Red State Governors have made similar statements, so expect more public statements like this in the coming week, as it riles up their voter base.

However, this is only a letter stating his personal opinion, and is not an executive order, so I would not put too much faith that this letter is going to accomplish anything substantive.

As we have previously reported here at Health Impact News, while many of these Red State Governors have opposed things like “COVID-19 Vaccination Passports,” they have done nothing to actually STOP the shots from being administered, especially to minors who in many locations can now choose to receive a COVID-19 injection without their parents’ knowledge or approval. See:


Wolves in Sheep Clothing – Republican Governors are Pro-Bioweapon Injections Despite Opposing COVID-19 “Vaccine Passports”
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/wolves-in-sheep-clothing-republican-governors-are-pro-bioweapon-injections-despite-opposing-covid-19-vaccine-passports/

What You Need to Know: States and Local Health Departments Set Vaccine Policies
At the end of the day, whatever comes out of the mouths of the cronies in Washington D.C. actually has very little to do with what will affect people at the local level.

This is the reason why former President Trump, and now the Biden Administration, has made it look like they oppose “mandatory vaccinations” and “vaccine passports,” because they know full well that those policies will be formed in each State, and implemented at the local level.

To date, there is not a single national vaccine law on the books at all. All of the laws regulating and mandating vaccine laws are at the State level.

What the Federal Government can do, is throw a lot of money to the States and tell them: “This is what we want you to do.”

This is strong motivation at the local level to try and comply with what the Federal Government wants them to do, so they can cash in on the federal funds to implement it.

That is why I think the Governor of South Carolina stopped short of issuing an executive order to stop door-to-door campaigns, and simply wrote a letter that has no legal bite to it whatsoever.

He, and other State Republican Governors, will no doubt try to dance around the issue and try to appease their voter base while still cashing in on the federal funds allocated for this initiative.

So what is happening at the local levels?

ZeroHedge News is reporting today on a letter from Lake County Illinois that targets the volunteers that will allegedly be going door to door to talk to people about the COVID-19 shots.https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ignore-no-soliciting-signs-use-your-script-vaccine-door-knocking-documents-revealed


"In preparation for the coming campaign, Lake County, Illinois has published ‘Helpful Hints’ for volunteers taking part in their “Community Health Ambassador Outreach Door Knocking Project to Increase COVID Vaccine Acceptance.”

The ‘Helpful Hints!’ include:

If you’re nervous, that’s ok! We all still get nervous, even if we’ve done this before.
You don’t need to have all the answers. If you are unsure of an answer, be honest. Tell the person asking that you are a volunteer, and you will take down their question so that a health department staff person can get them the correct answer.
Inform, don’t convince. Your job is to equip the person at the door with the information/resources they need to make an informed decision about their health. You are not trying to convince anyone to do something they don’t want to do.
Ignore no soliciting signs. You’re not soliciting! You’re offering critical information and resources. What you are doing is not illegal.
Knock and then back up [zh: so you don’t get shot?]. Follow COVID-19 distancing protocols and speak clearly. If someone is uncomfortable with you being there in person, offer to give them more distance or leave them a flyer.
Report on your work! Be sure to fill out the Doorknocking Spreadsheet with the counts of who still needs a vaccine, who is already vaccinated, who needs more info, etc. This is important information that the Health Department is relying on!
Use your script. This will give you the basics. Once you get comfortable with it, feel free to make it sound more like you as long as all the key information is there. Make clear up front that the building has let you in and you’re from the health department.
Perhaps most importantly, volunteers are told to keep a list of who’s been naughty or nice.
The door knockers are then given various scenarios in an attached script. For example:
PM (property manager) /CAM (community association manager): We don’t allow solicitation on our property.

CHM (community health ambassador): I understand but I am not selling anything, we want to provide accurate information to the seniors in your community. Our goal is to maximize the vaccination effort so that ALL of your seniors receive the COVID vaccine when the clinic comes on-site. All I want is to see your seniors protected against COVID.

And…

Senior: I’ve had allergic reactions to medications and foods years ago, is this vaccine safe for me?

CHA: The only true contraindication to this vaccine is a severe (anaphylactic) reaction to an injectable/vaccine in your past [ZH: *cough* what?]. Or an allergy to an ingredient in the vaccine, like polysorbate. After your vaccination, they will observe you for 15 minutes to be sure you’re doing well. With a history of other allergic reactions, they may want to watch you for a total of 30 minutes, instead of the standard 15 minutes, just to be sure you’re feeling ok. But if you have any question about your past allergies and vaccine compatibility, you should ask your doctor/healthcare provider."

So that’s what one county in Illinois is planning, and this is where the actual policies and procedures will be spelled out, at the County level in each state, usually with the Health Department. Expect the State Governor’s offices to also issue guidelines this week.

Refuse to Play Their Game
Unfortunately, at least in my opinion, some in the alternative media are stating that federal law enforcement forces will now start going door-to-door forcing people who are not yet vaccinated with one of the COVID-19 shots to be forcibly injected at gun point right in their homes.

I see no evidence at all for this happening, at least not this week.

Just look at the public outcry the politicizing of this announcement has already created last week. Americans are divided on this issue, and any effort to start forcing Americans to be injected in their homes at gunpoint, would need to first deal with the millions upon millions of gun owners who believe in the 2nd Amendment before any such effort was made.

Also, these shots are still not approved by the FDA, and without their approval first, there is no legal basis to force anyone to receive these shots by a government agent (employer mandates are a separate issue.)

This is what is called a “trial balloon.” The government is throwing this out there as a “trial” to see just how much the American public will tolerate in terms of government intervention.

Let them know that you will not tolerate it at all!

The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution protects you from unlawful searches and seizures in your home.

So here is my advice for what you should be prepared to do NOW, this week, if people come to your door to talk to you about the COVID-19 shots.

This advice is based on my years of experience in my working with attorneys all across the U.S. regarding the over-reach of local government agencies such as Child Protective Services who routinely come to people’s homes with the express purpose of looking for a reason to medically kidnap their children.

Most of those legal issues apply to this situation as well, regarding government agents coming to your home to discuss COVID-19 “vaccines.”

First, whether you are a renter or homeowner, the government has no right to enter your property without a warrant signed by a local judge. Absent that warrant, if you don’t want them there, they are trespassing.

And this includes any law enforcement agents. If they cannot produce a warrant signed by a judge, not only are they trespassing, if they are openly carrying a firearm (as most do), they are presenting a threat to you and your family.

Treat them as your enemy, not as your friend. Ask them to leave immediately.

Secondly, you are under no legal obligation to answer any questions – period! You have a 5th Amendment right to remain silent, and if that applies to criminals who are arrested based on an arrest warrant, how much more does that apply to you as a private citizen on your own property where you have not even been accused of a crime?

Do NOT answer any questions! Ask them to leave immediately. Put up as many “No Trespassing” signs as possible on your property, like the one I put as the featured image in this article.

No matter what they say to you, or ask you, the only words that should come out of your mouth should be: “You need to leave now. You are trespassing on private property.”

Third, RECORD EVERYTHING! The best way to record is to have a hidden camera pointed at your door, and then to also hold up a cell phone camera right in front of their face to let them know you are recording.

If they rip the cell phone out of your hand, hopefully you have a second camera somewhere also recording that. If you do, take that recording to your local District Attorney and ask them to press charges. Then send it to us also, and we will publish it to our international audience.

Expect FALSE FLAG events! To merely question the safety or efficacy of these injections is to be labeled a “domestic terrorist.” You can be sure that if these volunteers that are sent out door-to-door are not successful, that they will soon move on to the next stage of their plan, and at some point they are going to stage an event where some “domestic terrorists” allegedly decide to start killing people who are just “trying to do their jobs” and “provide a safe community” by “getting everyone vaccinated.”

Do your best to record everything that happens when unwelcome visitors decide to violate your 4th Amendment rights by coming on your property to discuss COVID-19 “vaccines” that you have no intention of discussing.

Also feel free to send those recordings to us here at Health Impact News, and if possible, we will publish them as a service to the public.

Fourth, pray. God has legions of angels at his disposal to dispatch to help his children in times of trouble. This should actually be the #1 thing you do before anyone even shows up.

[EarthGirl]

Do you have any personal experience of this I am B ? I'm not belittling anyone's fear expectations given what the fear propaganda machine is producing... They have have spent millions probably thousands of millions of OUR hard earned cash in employing specialists in just this kind of 'fear propaganda' ...

Do you know anyone that has personally challenged these 'fears' ?

And if they did what happened?



France has just forbidden going to bars, clubs and public events without vaccine passport and are going to make PCRs paid for (which are necessary for preety much anything specially from now on, and definetly not cheap).

Spain has forbidden eating and drinking at public spaces and has closed clubs and bars at midnight, with 10 people together max.

If this wasn't worrying enough, we're halfway through july, which is the "lightest" time of the year and there is no prospect of it getting lighter anytime soon. I'm seeing mandatory vaccination or extreme discrimination (if possible) before the end of the year.

And, I'm genuinely considering with my girl to emigrate to texas or some southern red state. Europe is almost gone and I'm really not sure people will stand aganist this at this point anymore.

[I am B]

Do you have any personal experience of this I am B ? I'm not belittling anyone's fear expectations given what the fear propaganda machine is producing... They have have spent millions probably thousands of millions of OUR hard earned cash in employing specialists in just this kind of 'fear propaganda' ...

Do you know anyone that has personally challenged these 'fears' ?

And if they did what happened?



I am not sure what you're asking for Earthgirl ^^

What I posted is genuine mesures just published by the two governments. And I don't watch TV, or even twitter, so I base my whole experience on what people around me tell me and what I recieve first handedly. A friend told me about the measures, and I confirmed through the official channels. (Macron seems to have gotten into live TV to announce it it seems)

I am not afraid of being forced to get the vaccine because I have nothing under my name so far, it's all on my parents name for administrative and financial advantage. And as much as I'd hate to leave my homeplace and friends behind, I can just get the hell out and my home and stuff won't probably go anywhere. So I'm really not too worried about that. As long as my parents survive the vaccine.

My worries are for a permanent state of repression. Being unable myself and all the people around myself to not acomplish any of our dreams on our lifetime (which already was something hard enough pre-covid) , to have a proper "older youth", and build our own family and home.

But on the other hand It's the fall of Rome, and those outside of it will be the ones to build whatever is next the better. It'll surely be an interesting life experience.

So I could say that I'm afraid of change, yes. But I feel I'm ready to confront it. Now the matter is to see when the situation stops being sustainable and taking bigger measures to go through the system filter, or at some final point, abandoning it.

[Matthew]

France has just forbidden going to bars, clubs and public events without vaccine passport and are going to make PCRs paid for (which are necessary for preety much anything specially from now on, and definetly not cheap).

Spain has forbidden eating and drinking at public spaces and has closed clubs and bars at midnight, with 10 people together max.

If this wasn't worrying enough, we're halfway through july, which is the "lightest" time of the year and there is no prospect of it getting lighter anytime soon. I'm seeing mandatory vaccination or extreme discrimination (if possible) before the end of the year.

And, I'm genuinely considering with my girl to emigrate to texas or some southern red state. Europe is almost gone and I'm really not sure people will stand aganist this at this point anymore.

Yeah, we are in the lightest month, and their shenanigans are in full flow. I guess it must be brainwashing peek time; while most are brainwashed, before they start to twig that the vaccinated can carry and spread the virus, and the injuries are not that subtle.

Its happening in France too :(

My money is on a solution being isolated rather than really far away

https://twitter.com/McCormack_Tara/status/1414681196429250560

[All is one]

I don’t know if this will help anybody:

but USING & understanding the WORDS: TRANSFECTION & TRANSDUCTION might still enlighten a part of the fellow humans* on what’s going on, so they can change course.

TRANSFECTION: Introduces foreign genes into an organism. This is done for example by using liposomes.
(Liposomes are used to deliver foreign DNA into cells due to this easiness of merging with cell membranes. This “improves” the characteristics of the organism. "In other words genetic manipulation of the organism.")


TRANSDUCTION: Viruses are intracellular parasites which have the natural ability to insert their genetic material into host cells without any support through infection. Biotechnological approaches have explored this ability for transferring foreign DNA with specific genes into host organisms. This process is called transduction. "In other words genetic manipulation via a viral vector."

More elaborate explanation: https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-transfection-and-vs-transduction/

(*Will probably only work with brainy open minded people.)

[pyrangello]

Bill Gates Gone into Hiding as Vaccine Deaths Skyrocket! Boosters Coming in September! - Banned Must Video

https://beforeitsnews.com/health/2021/07/bill-gates-gone-into-hiding-as-vaccine-deaths-skyrocket-boosters-coming-in-september-banned-must-video-3040554.html

[RunningDeer]

Bill Gates Gone into Hiding as Vaccine Deaths Skyrocket! Boosters Coming in September! - Banned Must Video

https://beforeitsnews.com/health/2021/07/bill-gates-gone-into-hiding-as-vaccine-deaths-skyrocket-boosters-coming-in-september-banned-must-video-3040554.html

BILL GATES GONE INTO HIDING AS VACCINE DEATHS SKYROCKET -
BOOSTERS COMING IN SEPTEMBER (21 min)



Vaccine deaths and injuries are now skyrocketing into the millions as Bill Gates has disappeared from sight now that his Eugenics program has gone into full swing and seems to be succeeding.

It's incredible just how naive and stupid these sheep are to listen to and believe the false News narrative while friends and family around them begin to drop and if they aren't dropping like flies right now, they will be come the first flu or cold outbreak.

Without an immune system killed off by the shot, there are going to be mass burials unlike we have seen before.

Neighbours will soon begin to disappear and that very well could be a good thing for most of the non vaccinated.

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[Phoenix1304]

Here’s another reason to avoid it.

https://ncrenegade.com/breaking-discovery-what-covid-injections-do-to-your-blood-doctor-releases-horrific-findings/

The iron fist is tightening its grip, but there are massive protests. Ireland and France in particular. I’m not sure how much longer they can keep the truth at bay, but people have short memories and interest in the truth on this matter, so we just have to keep on hammering it out there for those ready to listen.

The Spanish team ‘La Quinta Columna’ mentioned in the vid have indeed done some impressive research too, sorry I haven’t got links, but do check it out, all these things are coming together to wake people up now, 70% of UK now vaxxed but less than 50% got the second shots, I pray they’ll all wake up soon.

I only know one unvaxxed person now and fear for my family and friends that have succumbed or been co-erced, I can’t discuss it any more with them sadly. Until, hopefully someone comes up with some way to clean their blood and reverse the damage, meanwhile, I do fear a winter apocalypse is upon us as the damage takes its toll and we’ll all be losing people we love, not from a pandemic, but from the ‘cure’.

Edit. I maybe should have done this before posting, but I cannot find any other info on the Dr Phillipe van Wellbergen that did these blood smears other than he is a homeopath in Aberdeenshire. I don’t know much about ncrenegade.com either, who also introduced me to the work of La Quinta Columna, it feels genuine, but I’d love someone to tell me they’re grifters and none of it is true!

[RunningDeer]

Here’s another reason to avoid it.

https://ncrenegade.com/breaking-discovery-what-covid-injections-do-to-your-blood-doctor-releases-horrific-findings/
Phoenix1304, this is the vid from the article you provided. It includes photographic proof that red blood cells are being attacked.



* Apologies if it's been posted here or elsewhere. It's a challenge to keep track. I know Stew Peters vids are known on the forum.


Healthy red blood cells on the left.

https://i.imgur.com/1rIgRIO.jpg

White cells filled with white dots and when the doctor puts
a florescent light over the cell structure, they light up.

https://i.imgur.com/Fqv5TlD.jpg

Slides from different patients.

https://i.imgur.com/d1ancPU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7Hn4J3K.jpg


BREAKING DISCOVERY! What COVID Injections Do To Your BLOOD!
Doctor Releases Horrific Findings! (11:51 min)



PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF! The shots being referred to as 'vaccines' are absolutely poisonous, and the proof is now here!

www.StewPeters.tv
www.DrJaneRuby.com


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[RunningDeer]

Dead airlines pilots: 4 + 5 = 9. (confirmed dead)


HORRIFIC! - FIVE Jet Blue Airlines Pilots DEAD, Media Intentionally Hiding Vaxx Fears (17 min)




BREAKING NOW! Five Jet Blue Airlines pilots are confirmed dead, current Jet Blue pilot whistleblower confirms push for jab continues.

Dr. Jane Ruby joins Stew Peters with details.

www.StewPeters.tv
www.DrjaneRuby.com

July 16, 2021


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[onawah]

The Right to Be Let Alone: What to Do When COVID Strike Force Teams Come Knocking
July 15, 2021
https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/the-right-to-be-let-alone-what-to-do-when-covid-strike-force-teams-come-knocking/
https://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/Beware-of-dog_0.jpg
Fences, locked gates and especially dogs keep canvassers from getting on porches and making critical face-to-face contact.

"We are now at Thursday of the first week of announced “door-to-door” visits by agents working for local governments enforcing the Biden Administration’s directive to get more people “vaccinated” with COVID-19 shots, and so far things are pretty quiet in the local corporate media, and in the alternative media.

Could the push back from the Right last week be making many local communities hesitant to carry out this policy? Time will tell, but as of today, I have only seen 3 reports of this policy being carried out (not counting the leaked documents from Lake County, Illinois that were widely published in the alternative media last week.)

The one that has been the most widely reported in the media so far this week was a report published by WCNC in Charlotte, North Carolina in Mecklenburg County where “49% of the population is partially vaccinated and 46% is fully vaccinated.”

Reporter Chloe Leshner posted the video on her Twitter account:

We are now at Thursday of the first week of announced “door-to-door” visits by agents working for local governments enforcing the Biden Administration’s directive to get more people “vaccinated” with COVID-19 shots, and so far things are pretty quiet in the local corporate media, and in the alternative media.

Could the push back from the Right last week be making many local communities hesitant to carry out this policy? Time will tell, but as of today, I have only seen 3 reports of this policy being carried out (not counting the leaked documents from Lake County, Illinois that were widely published in the alternative media last week.)

The one that has been the most widely reported in the media so far this week was a report published by WCNC in Charlotte, North Carolina in Mecklenburg County where “49% of the population is partially vaccinated and 46% is fully vaccinated.”

Reporter Chloe Leshner posted the video on her Twitter account:
Chloe Leshner
@ChloeLeshner
Jul 12
Today was the first day of "doses to doors," the new
@MeckCounty
initiative to get more people vaccinated. They're joining
@Action_NC
canvassing areas with low vax rates to educate and encourage, and then have a shot nearby if someone wants it. More at 5 and 6
[/QUOTE]

The main news in this report is that health department officials are actually injecting people right there on the spot, if they choose to do so.

But no signs of forced injections “at gun point” here.

In Detroit, Bridge Michigan also published a report of their efforts “in Southwest Detroit’s Latino community.”

They report that “Detroit still has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the state: about 33 percent among adults, compared to 55 percent statewide.”

The City of Detroit partnered with the nonprofit Congress of Communities to inform a segment of the population that is still underrepresented in getting the vaccine.

Elizabeth Gonzalez works with Congress of Communities and is an experienced canvasser. She understands the challenges of reaching the Latino community. Gonzalez says there is disinformation to contend with, language barriers and a lack of trust.

Walk a few blocks with Gonzalez, and you will experience the barriers she and her team face. Tall fences, locked gates and especially dogs keep them from getting on porches and making critical face-to-face contact. (Full story.)

It does not appear that they were giving any injections in Detroit, but referring people where to get them.

Here is one important quote from their story to note, however:

All of the information that is collected goes into a phone or tablet provided by the City.

These are the only two stories I have found, so far, in the local corporate media.

On Twitter, a video that apparently was recorded by Alexandra Datig in Los Angeles, shows her confronting some people in her building:


Alexandra Datig | Front Page Index
@alexdatig
https://twitter.com/i/status/1414739219549876225
Jul 12
Alex Datig Tells Los Angeles Covid Vaccine Enforcers to 'Get Out' for Violating Privacy Under HIPPA

While these are the only reports I have been able to find so far this week, others have now also weighed in on the legality of these door-to-door visits.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons issued this statement:

COVID Shot Home Visits Unconstitutional and Unethical
The Biden Administration has announced plans to send agents “door to door” in order to “get remaining Americans vaccinated, by ensuring they have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is.”

A leaked script from the Lake County Health Department in Illinois tells the Community Health Ambassadors to keep track of the addresses and responses from residents in a “Doorknocking Spreadsheet.”

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) makes the following observations:

The U.S. Constitution provides no authority for the federal government to be involved in medicine, for example, by recommending, promoting, or mandating treatments.
If the Ambassador knows a person’s vaccination status, the government has already been collecting personal health data and sharing it with agents having nothing to do with the person’s care, a violation of the Fourth Amendment. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) will not protect you—it allows very broad disclosure to government officials.
States have the lawful authority to regulate the practice of medicine, but the Ambassadors are evidently not under any constraints regarding training, credentialing, documentation, or scope of practice, although they are collecting data and giving medical advice without supervision. Even medical assistants and medical scribes need to meet certain qualifications.
Ambassadors are promoting an experimental product, with no information on risks. Even if a product is FDA-approved, advertisers and medical professionals must divulge risks, such as heart inflammation, paralysis from Guillain-Barré or other causes, miscarriage, or death. Contrast the Ambassador’s script with the disclosures on a television ad for a drug, say one to treat your dog’s heartworm.
In the opinion of AAPS, this door-to-door solicitation violates the ethical principles of protecting confidentiality and informed consent. Health professionals need a patient’s implied consent even to be seen; they may not simply show up uninvited at a stranger’s home.

For both legal and ethical reasons, the program should be discontinued at once, AAPS states.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has represented physicians in all specialties since 1943. Its motto is omnia pro aegroto, everything for the patient.

Source: https://aapsonline.org/covid-shot-home-visits-unconstitutional-and-unethical/

Constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead of The Rutherford Institute has also published an excellent piece, along with Nisha Whitehead.

The Right to Be Let Alone: What to Do When COVID Strike Force Teams Come Knocking
Rutherford.org

“Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent.”—Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis

A federal COVID-19 vaccination strike force may soon be knocking on your door, especially if you live in a community with low vaccination rates. Will you let them in?

More to the point, are you required to open the door?

The Biden Administration has announced that it plans to send federal “surge response teams” on a “targeted community door-to-door outreach“ to communities with low vaccination rates in order to promote the safety and accessibility of the COVID-19 vaccines.

That’s all fine and good as far as government propaganda goes, but nothing is ever as simple or as straightforward as the government claims, especially not when armed, roving bands of militarized agents deployed by the Nanny State show up at your door with an agenda that is at odds with what Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis referred to as the constitutional “right to be let alone.”

Any attempt by the government to encroach upon the citizenry’s privacy rights or establish a system by which the populace can be targeted, tracked and singled out must be met with extreme caution. These door-to-door “visits” by COVID-19 surge response teams certainly qualify as a government program whose purpose, while seemingly benign, raises significant constitutional concerns.

First, there is the visit itself.

While government agents can approach, speak to and even question citizens without violating the Fourth Amendment, Americans have a right not to answer questions or even speak with a government agent.

Courts have upheld these “knock and talk” visits as lawful, reasoning that even though the curtilage of the home is protected by the Fourth Amendment, there is an implied license to approach a residence, knock on the door/ring the bell, and seek to contact occupants. However, the encounter is wholly voluntary and a person is under no obligation to speak with a government agent in this situation.

Indeed, you don’t even need to answer or open the door in response to knocking/ringing by a government agent, and if you do answer the knock, you can stop speaking at any time.

You also have the right to demand that government agents leave the property once the purpose of the visit is established. Government officials would not be enforcing any law or warrant in this context, and so they don’t have the authority of law to remain on the property after a homeowner or resident specifically revokes the implied license to come onto the property.

When the government’s actions go beyond merely approaching the door and knocking, it risks violating the Fourth Amendment, which requires a warrant and probable cause of possible wrongdoing in order to search one’s property. A government agent would violate the Fourth Amendment if he snooped around the premises, peering into window and going to other areas in search of residents.

It should be pointed out that some judges (including Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch) believe that placing “No Trespassing” signs or taking other steps to impede access to the door is sufficient to negate any implied permission for government agents or others to approach your home, but this view does not have general acceptance.

While in theory one can refuse to speak with police or other government officials during a “knock and talk” encounter, as the courts have asserted as a justification for dismissing complaints about this police investigative tactic, the reality is far different.

Indeed, it is unreasonable to suggest that individuals caught unaware by these tactics will not feel pressured in the heat of the moment to comply with a request to speak with government agents who display official credentials and are often heavily armed, let alone allow them to search one’s property.

Even when such consent is denied, police have been known to simply handcuff the homeowner and conduct a search over his objections.

Second, there is the danger inherent in these knock-and-talk encounters.

Although courts have embraced the fiction that “knock and talks” are “voluntary” encounters that are no different from other door-to-door canvassing, these constitutionally dubious tactics are highly intimidating confrontations meant to pressure individuals into allowing police access to one’s home, which then paves the way for a warrantless search of one’s home and property.

The act of going to homes and taking steps to speak with occupants is akin to the “knock and talk” tactic used by police, which can be fraught with danger for homeowners and government agents alike.

Indeed, “knock-and-talk” policing has become a thinly veiled, warrantless exercise by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into “talking” with heavily armed police who “knock” on their doors in the middle of the night.

“Knock-and-shoot” policing might be more accurate, however.

“Knock and talks” not only constitute severe violations of the privacy and security of homeowners, but the combination of aggression and surprise employed by police is also a recipe for a violent confrontation that rarely ends well for those on the receiving end of these tactics.

For example, although 26-year-old Andrew Scott had committed no crime and never fired a single bullet or threatened police, he was gunned down by police who knocked aggressively on the wrong door at 1:30 am, failed to identify themselves as police, and then repeatedly shot and killed Scott when he answered the door while holding a gun in self-defense.

The police were investigating a speeding incident by engaging in a middle-of-the-night “knock and talk” in Scott’s apartment complex.

Carl Dykes was shot in the face by a county deputy who pounded on Dykes’ door in the middle of the night without identifying himself. Because of reports that inmates had escaped from a local jail, Dykes brought a shotgun with him when he answered the door.

As these and other incidents make clear, while Americans have a constitutional right to question the legality of a police action or resist an unlawful police order, doing so can often get one arrested, shot or killed.

Third, there is the question of how the government plans to use the information it obtains during these knock-and-talk visits.

Because the stated purpose of the program is to promote vaccination, homeowners and others who reside at the residence will certainly be asked if they are vaccinated.

Again, you have a right not to answer this or any other question. Indeed, an argument could be made that even asking this question is improper if the purpose of the program is merely to ensure that Americans “have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is.”

Under the Privacy Act, 5 U.S.C. 552a, an agency should only collect and maintain information about an individual as is “relevant and necessary to accomplish a purpose of the agency.”

In this situation, the government agent could accomplish the purpose of assuring persons have information about the vaccine simply by providing that information (either in writing or orally) and would not need to know the vaccination status of the residents. To the extent the agents do request, collect and store information about residents’ vaccination status, this could be a Privacy Act violation.

Of course, there is always the danger that this program could be used for other, more nefarious, purposes not related to vaccination encouragement.

As with knock-and-talk policing, government agents might misuse their appearance of authority to gain entrance to a residence and obtain other information about it and those who live there. Once the door is opened by a resident, anything the agents can see from their vantage point can be reported to law enforcement authorities.

Moreover, while presumably the targeting will be of areas with demonstrated low vaccination rates, there is no guarantee that this program would not be used as cover for conducting surveillance on areas deemed to be “high crime” areas as a way of obtaining intelligence for law enforcement purposes.

We’ve been down this road before, with the government sending its spies to gather intel on American citizens by questioning them directly, or by asking their neighbors to snitch on them.

Remember the egregiously invasive and intrusive American Community Survey?

Unlike the traditional census, which collects data every ten years, the American Community Survey (ACS) is sent to about 3 million homes per year at a reported cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Moreover, while the traditional census is limited to ascertaining the number of persons living in each dwelling, their ages and ethnicities, the ownership of the dwelling and telephone numbers, the ACS is much more intrusive, asking questions relating to respondents’ bathing habits, home utility costs, fertility, marital history, work commute, mortgage, and health insurance, among other highly personal and private matters.

Individuals who receive the ACS must complete it or be subject to monetary penalties. Although no reports have surfaced of individuals actually being penalized for refusing to answer the survey, the potential fines that can be levied for refusing to participate in the ACS are staggering. For every question not answered, there is a $100 fine.

And for every intentionally false response to a question, the fine is $500. Therefore, if a person representing a two-person household refused to fill out any questions or simply answered nonsensically, the total fines could range from upwards of $10,000 and $50,000 for noncompliance.

At 28 pages (with an additional 16-page instruction packet), the ACS contains some of the most detailed and intrusive questions ever put forth in a census questionnaire. These concern matters that the government simply has no business knowing, including questions relating to respondents’ bathing habits, home utility costs, fertility, marital history, work commute, mortgage, and health insurance, among others.

For instance, the ACS asks how many persons live in your home, along with their names and detailed information about them such as their relationship to you, marital status, race and their physical, mental and emotional problems, etc.

The survey also asks how many bedrooms and bathrooms you have in your house, along with the fuel used to heat your home, the cost of electricity, what type of mortgage you have and monthly mortgage payments, property taxes and so on.

However, that’s not all.

The survey also demands to know how many days you were sick last year, how many automobiles you own and the number of miles driven, whether you have trouble getting up the stairs, and what time you leave for work every morning, along with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs.

And the survey demands that you violate the privacy of others by supplying the names and addresses of your friends, relatives and employer. The questionnaire also demands that you give other information on the people in your home, such as their educational levels, how many years of school were completed, what languages they speak and when they last worked at a job, among other things.

While some of the ACS’ questions may seem fairly routine, the real danger is in not knowing why the information is needed, how it will be used by the government or with whom it will be shared.

Finally, you have the right to say “no.”

Whether police are knocking on your door at 2 am or 2:30 pm, as long as you’re being “asked” to talk to a police officer who is armed to the teeth and inclined to kill at the least provocation, you don’t really have much room to resist, not if you value your life.

Mind you, these knock-and-talk searches are little more than police fishing expeditions carried out without a warrant.

The goal is intimidation and coercion.

Unfortunately, with police departments increasingly shifting towards pre-crime policing and relying on dubious threat assessments, behavioral sensing warnings, flagged “words,” and “suspicious” activity reports aimed at snaring potential enemies of the state, we’re going to see more of these warrantless knock-and-talk police tactics by which police attempt to circumvent the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement and prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures.

Here’s the bottom line.

These agents are coming to your home with one purpose in mind: to collect information on you.

It’s a form of intimidation, of course. You shouldn’t answer any questions you’re uncomfortable answering about your vaccine history or anything else. The more information you give them, the more it can be used against you. Just ask them politely but firmly to leave.

In this case, as in so many interactions with government agents, the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments (and your cell phone recording the encounter) are your best protection.

Under the First Amendment, you don’t have to speak (to government officials or anyone else). The Fourth Amendment protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. And under the Fifth Amendment, you have a right to remain silent and not say anything which might be used against you.

You can also post a “No Trespassing” sign on your property to firmly announce that you are exercising your right to be left alone. If you see government officials wandering around your property and peering through windows, in my opinion, you have a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Government officials can ring the doorbell, but once you put them on notice that it’s time for them to leave, they can’t stay on your property.

It’s important to be as clear as possible and inform them that you will call the police if they don’t leave. You may also wish to record your encounter with the government agent. If they still don’t leave, immediately call the local police and report a trespasser on your property.

Remember, you have rights.

The government didn’t want us to know about—let alone assert—those rights during this whole COVID-19 business.

After all, for years now, the powers-that-be—those politicians and bureaucrats who think like tyrants and act like petty dictators regardless of what party they belong to—have attempted to brainwash us into believing that we have no right to think for ourselves, make decisions about our health, protect our homes and families and businesses, act in our best interests, demand accountability and transparency from government, or generally operate as if we are in control of our own lives.

But we have every right, and you know why?

Because as the Declaration of Independence states, we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights—to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness—that no government can take away from us.

Unfortunately, that hasn’t stopped the government from constantly trying to usurp our freedoms at every turn. Indeed, the nature of government is such that it invariably oversteps its limits, abuses its authority, and flexes its totalitarian muscles.

Take this COVID-19 crisis, for example.

What started out as an apparent effort to prevent a novel coronavirus from sickening the nation (and the world) has become yet another means by which world governments (including our own) can expand their powers, abuse their authority, and further oppress their constituents.

The government has made no secret of its plans.

Just follow the money trail, and you’ll get a sense of what’s in store: more militarized police, more SWAT team raids, more surveillance, more lockdowns, more strong-armed tactics aimed at suppressing dissent and forcing us to comply with the government’s dictates.

It’s chilling to think about, but it’s not surprising.

In many ways, this COVID-19 state of emergency has invested government officials (and those who view their lives as more valuable than ours) with a sanctimonious, self-righteous, arrogant, Big Brother Knows Best approach to top-down governing, and the fall-out can be seen far and wide.

It’s an ugly, self-serving mindset that views the needs, lives and rights of “we the people” as insignificant when compared to those in power.

That’s how someone who should know better such as Alan Dershowitz, a former Harvard law professor, can suggest that a free people—born in freedom, endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights, and living in a country birthed out of a revolutionary struggle for individual liberty—have no rights to economic freedom, to bodily integrity, or to refuse to comply with a government order with which they disagree.

According to Dershowitz, who has become little more than a legal apologist for the power elite, “You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business… And if you refuse to be vaccinated, the state has the power to literally take you to a doctor’s office and plunge a needle into your arm.”

Dershowitz is wrong: as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, while the courts may increasingly defer to the government’s brand of Nanny State authoritarianism, we still have rights.

The government may try to abridge those rights, it may refuse to recognize them, it may even attempt to declare martial law and nullify them, but it cannot litigate, legislate or forcefully eradicate them out of existence."

Full article: https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_right_to_be_let_alone_what_to_do_when_covid_strike_force_teams_come_knocking

[I am B]

Being overpositive here and trying to make the best lemonade from the lemons given:

If a pair of people come to your place suggesting vaccination, is because they have the right to "certify" you've done so. You'll be in a private place with no witnesses. Why not "suggest" them (with some cash) to throw the needle and vial away and certify you've got it? If it worked out, that would push away a ton of problems, and, they aren't an authority, so I doubt you can be prosecuted for bribe, etc...

Its just a matter of talking it through.

[mountain_jim]

probably a better place so move if need be

https://gab.com/TRUNEWS/posts/106592260011915288



TRUNEWS

@TRUNEWS


The White House published their digital hit list.

Will there be more to come?




https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/079/440/982/original/e2bf998db792b3e6.jpeg

[Pam]

Being overpositive here and trying to make the best lemonade from the lemons given:

If a pair of people come to your place suggesting vaccination, is because they have the right to "certify" you've done so. You'll be in a private place with no witnesses. Why not "suggest" them (with some cash) to throw the needle and vial away and certify you've got it? If it worked out, that would push away a ton of problems, and, they aren't an authority, so I doubt you can be prosecuted for bribe, etc...

Its just a matter of talking it through.

I am sort of wondering where the opportunist doctors are. There were many making a killing in the US selling opiates. It would be a very profitable business to open "vaccine clinics" just like they did the "pain" clinics.

[Pam]

probably a better place so move if need be

https://gab.com/TRUNEWS/posts/106592260011915288



TRUNEWS

@TRUNEWS


The White House published their digital hit list.

Will there be more to come?




https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/079/440/982/original/e2bf998db792b3e6.jpeg


Imagine a world where Robert Kennedy Jr. is accused of digital hate. Wow.

[Frankie Pancakes]

In Argentina a man was chased to his roof and forcibly vaccinated.
In the US we now have neighborhoods visited by volunteers to help the unvaxed get the vax.
Now imagine...
A man is on the roof with his rifle.
The volunteer holds up the syringe and says take the shot.
Man on the roof says Okie Dokie.

[Arcturian108]

In keeping informants from approaching your home, besides putting no trespassing signs on your property, today I read a comment online that took a different tact: Put a large COVID sign on your front door announcing you are in quarantine.

[Bill Ryan]

In keeping informants from approaching your home, besides putting no trespassing signs on your property, today I read a comment online that took a different tact: Put a large COVID sign on your front door announcing you are in quarantine.Excellent. :) Maybe like this:

https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/styles/article_detail/public/articleimages/2020/06/22/quarantine%20istock-1592843987.jpg?itok=YtAUozql

[Frankie Pancakes]

Or this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVaRj1iFHEQ&t=3s

[Kryztian]

I am not taking any chances. I am in a high rise building in an urban area and this will be my front door sign.

https://i.imgur.com/5Tbtemw.jpg

[graciousb]

Here’s another reason to avoid it.

https://ncrenegade.com/breaking-discovery-what-covid-injections-do-to-your-blood-doctor-releases-horrific-findings/

The iron fist is tightening its grip, but there are massive protests. Ireland and France in particular. I’m not sure how much longer they can keep the truth at bay, but people have short memories and interest in the truth on this matter, so we just have to keep on hammering it out there for those ready to listen.

The Spanish team ‘La Quinta Columna’ mentioned in the vid have indeed done some impressive research too, sorry I haven’t got links, but do check it out, all these things are coming together to wake people up now, 70% of UK now vaxxed but less than 50% got the second shots, I pray they’ll all wake up soon.

I only know one unvaxxed person now and fear for my family and friends that have succumbed or been co-erced, I can’t discuss it any more with them sadly. Until, hopefully someone comes up with some way to clean their blood and reverse the damage, meanwhile, I do fear a winter apocalypse is upon us as the damage takes its toll and we’ll all be losing people we love, not from a pandemic, but from the ‘cure’.

Edit. I maybe should have done this before posting, but I cannot find any other info on the Dr Phillipe van Wellbergen that did these blood smears other than he is a homeopath in Aberdeenshire. I don’t know much about ncrenegade.com either, who also introduced me to the work of La Quinta Columna, it feels genuine, but I’d love someone to tell me they’re grifters and none of it is true!

Phoenix, there is some thought that ivermectin taken post vax can help offset the spike proteins, just as with those who have the infection. Worth a try.

[Gwin Ru]

In Jordan, the Choice is Between Poisoning & Starving (https://henrymakow.com/2021/07/American-Family-Quarantined-in-Jordan.html)

by BG
(henrymakow.com)
July 20, 2021


https://henrymakow.com/upload_images/jordan90.jpeg


Our neighbor reasoned:


"I'm still strong, so I think I can survive the shot".


Keep in mind, he's not concerned with surviving covid, he's concerned with surviving the poisonous shot. The choice between starving or being poisoned to death is how we view it."


This may become universal.


by BG
(henrymakow.com)

We watched our neighbor in June decide his future.

In order to retain his employment in the private sector, he had to receive at a minimum the first shot of his choice of poison.

Both him and his wife had stated since the lockdowns began here in March of 2020, that they knew this was a scam, and they never would receive a "vaccine".

Now we watched him with a heavy heart as he decided to take the shot-- so that he could still provide for his family. He opted to take the Chinese version of it, Sinopharm, "to have the best chance of surviving".

His reasoning is "I'm still strong, so I think I can survive the shot". Keep in mind, he's not concerned with surviving covid, he's concerned with surviving the poisonous shot. The choice between starving or being poisoned to death is how we view it.

This is what our life is like being stranded here in Aqaba, Jordan.

We are watching our neighbors and the city forced into taking a shot in order to have access to employment and travel, and starting August 1st to enter establishments.

We cannot leave as we refuse to take a PCR test, or receive any version of the sorcerers' poison.

As of July 1st, we now cannot even enter/exit Aqaba without being vaccinated (no more going to the beach), or taking a PCR test.

Our neighbor's father was holding out and refused to take the shot. However, his land with his animals and fruit trees are a few kilometers outside of city limits. The Shurta (police) told him he had to receive the shot, if he wanted access to his property. He also opted for the Chinese version, reasoning that he will have the best chance of surviving it.

Maybe we should be thankful the tanks aren't rolling down the streets anymore, and we aren't locked down from 6p.m. to 6 a.m. everyday, and all day on Fridays.

But if they are going to poison us and inject us with unknown substances, we would rather be back under lockdown.

The latest hoax here is the Chinese Sinopharm shot is not recognized by some of the surrounding countries, such as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. So people are lining up to get the Pfizer shot, (in addition to their previous Sinopharm shots), in order to travel there.

Again, as of August 1st we will be barred from entering public institutions, utilities, commercial centers, and all service sectors. We are in a besieged city here, but why should we fear in the days of evil, when the crookedness of our supplanters surrounds us?

Related:


https://en.royanews.tv/news/29792/2021-07-17



https://en.royanews.tv/news/29589/Those_who_received_Sinopharm_a



https://en.royanews.tv/news/28429/2021-06-01



https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-25/imf-approves-13-billion-loan-for-jordan-adjusts-for-coronavirus-expenses

[Gwin Ru]

...

... Doug Billings with Karen Kingston: Why the jab doesn't work Nuremberg trials for those responsible
https://dougbillings.us/video/why-the-jab-doesnt-work-nuremberg-trials-for-those-responsible/
un·con·scion·a·ble (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/unconscionable) (ŭn-kŏn′shə-nə-bəl)adj.
1. Deserving of moral condemnation: committed an unconscionable act.
2. Beyond reason; excessive: an unconscionable price.

un·con′scion·a·ble·ness n.
un·con′scion·a·bly adv.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.


unconscionable (ʌnˈkɒnʃənəbəl) adj
1. unscrupulous or unprincipled: an unconscionable liar.
2. immoderate or excessive: unconscionable demands.

unˈconscionableness n
unˈconscionably adv

[RunningDeer]

...

... Doug Billings with Karen Kingston: Why the jab doesn't work Nuremberg trials for those responsible
https://dougbillings.us/video/why-the-jab-doesnt-work-nuremberg-trials-for-those-responsible/
un·con·scion·a·ble (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/unconscionable) (ŭn-kŏn′shə-nə-bəl)adj.
1. Deserving of moral condemnation: committed an unconscionable act.
2. Beyond reason; excessive: an unconscionable price.

un·con′scion·a·ble·ness n.
un·con′scion·a·bly adv.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.


unconscionable (ʌnˈkɒnʃənəbəl) adj
1. unscrupulous or unprincipled: an unconscionable liar.
2. immoderate or excessive: unconscionable demands.

unˈconscionableness n
unˈconscionably adv

Covered @ 8(ish) minutes: pdf (page 9) - FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS) (https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download)



(Highlighted in the red box.)

As the vaccination provider, you must communicate to the recipient or their caregiver, information consistent with the “Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers” (and provide a copy or direct the individual to the website www.cvdvaccine.com (https://www.cvdvaccine.com) to obtain the Fact Sheet) prior to the individual receiving each dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, including:





FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which is not an FDA-approved vaccine. 

The recipient or their caregiver has the option to accept or refuse Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. 

The significant known and potential risks and benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and the extent to which such risks and benefits are unknown. 

Information about available alternative vaccines and the risks and benefits of those alternatives.



Why the Jab Doesn't Work & Nuremberg Trials for Those Responsible (51 min)

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[RunningDeer]

“Good evening, Congressman. Just thought I'd pass word that >15% of the officers at my command will either retire early or resign their commissions if the mandate is given.”


1417096540074565636
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1417096540074565636

[Satori]

I disagree with Greene on this.

There should be no choice at all for these toxic, deleterious, poison, genetic manipulating, synthetic big pharma products. These poisons should be pulled from the market and destroyed immediately.

Then, legitimate, lawful investigations need to be launched which conclude in prosecutions as appropriate, bringing all persons responsible for this to account. The punishments should fit their crimes and civil wrongdoings.

[Arcturian108]

My husband found the following video on the net, and although I could place it in a dozen different threads, I thought we might as well lighten this thread up a bit too. Start at around .35 seconds:


https://www.bitchute.com/video/eAy388hyUs8/

[mojo]

Hi all,
Please check out this excellent video. "If there is a Pandemic then why?" Its very short....

https://t.me/ItalyQanons/3570